[0:00] the red button. >> Feel free to text me. Yeah. [0:10] » And I'm such a [0:14] police and then I drove out like [0:26] » no heed. Here's the left um over [0:41] listen I'm not helicopter parent I'm just [1:07] Is that person? [1:27] Yes. [1:31] Yeah. [1:44] » What are you here for? [1:54] » You have any questions for us? [2:12] later. [2:27] » Yeah. [2:56] That was [3:08] Oh, really? [3:13] Yeah, I got your [3:57] Yeah. Well, the first one didn't show anything. [4:00] It didn't even show that [4:06] 39. [4:18] » Yeah, it'll be okay. >> Good job. Well, there is [4:21] » Mike fixed us. [4:39] » Yep. [4:42] » Yep. [4:46] » Good evening everyone. I'd like to call this meeting to order for today, [4:50] September 8th. You could please stand for a moment of prayer and pledge. [4:56] As we gather here today as commissioners and members of Spot Township, we ask [5:00] that we are ever mindful of each other, opportunities to render our service to [5:05] fellow citizens and to our community that we hold dear, keeping in mind [5:09] always the enduring values of life, acceptance, understanding, exerting our [5:14] efforts in those areas and those things upon which future generations can build [5:19] with confidence and build proud. Let us continue to strive to make a better [5:24] neighborhood, a better township, and a better world. [5:27] » I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America, to the [5:33] republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and [5:39] justice for all. [5:44] » Please, Mr. here. [5:46] » Mr. Myers >> here. [5:48] » Mr. >> Mr. [5:52] » Here, but can barely hear you guys. [5:59] » Commissioner Sor >> here. [6:02] » Mr. Delans >> here. [6:04] » Mr. Sla >> here. [6:06] » Mr. Gast >> here. [6:08] » Mr. >> Here. [6:11] » Okay. Thanks. >> All right. We'll move forward with [6:13] public comments on any agenda items listed below. There's anything on that [6:19] anyone has a question or comment about? Let me know. Nobody online. All right, [6:26] we'll continue. Uh under planning, zoning, and code enforcement, we have [6:30] the code enforcement update. Good evening. How are you? [6:33] » Good evening. Very well. Uh, I wanted to uh give you a rundown of uh what we've [6:40] been doing last month, which 28 uh permits uh for a total of just under [6:48] $600,000. Um we issued notices of violation. Uh [6:55] let's see, there's 53 notices of violation. Um there was one magistrate [7:01] hearing. Uh Mark did 19 rental inspections, [7:07] nine building inspections. I also wanted to give uh a brief rundown [7:12] on Cherry Meadows and how that's going. Uh out of 26 lots, we've issued 24 [7:18] building permits and uh since the beginning, we have now issued 13 [7:26] certificates of the date. Any [7:31] questions for Stephanie? >> All right. Thanks, Steph. Uh, next up, [7:36] we'll discuss a resolution to approve the acquisition and subsequent [7:40] disposition of lot number 102-N-118, [7:46] a vacant lot on Summit Summit Street for James Roner through the Alageney County [7:52] vacant property program in accordance with the comprehensive plan of the [7:56] municipality. [8:00] trying to avoid that. You want to add anything to that, [8:04] Stephanie? >> Just briefly, uh Mark and I are very, uh [8:09] familiar with the little parcel um next Mr. Ronner's, uh property. Um he has [8:17] done such a great job with his property since he bought it. and um we're certain [8:22] that he'll be taking care of this um little little slice of property right [8:27] next to him very well. >> Hey u Mr. Roner kind of just wanted to [8:32] go over a general idea of what would happen from this meeting forward. [8:37] Bob, can you give them a little bit of an idea how that process goes? [8:41] » So with the vacant property, well, at least I I assume it follows Scott [8:47] follows the same procedure. you file an application, you're a member of the [8:50] vacant properties act committee and uh they'll give you a sense of what the [8:55] figures will be or what the potential cost would be. At least that's my [8:58] experience. So, you'd have to go through the vacant properties committee with an [9:02] application. Anything you want to add to that? [9:04] » We'll be sending the um information once approved the resolution. We'll be [9:08] sending that to the county for them to move forward with that. [9:12] » Okay. >> Do you have any other questions for us? [9:16] » Uh no. Okay. >> So, just another step in the process, [9:20] right? >> Yes. Yes. [9:24] » All right. Uh, unless there's anything else to add to that. [9:29] All right. We'll move on to the solicitor's report. Bob, anything for [9:32] tonight? >> My colleague did not ask me to report on [9:34] anything, but u at least I got to say something about the vacant properties. [9:39] That's so I don't have anything further. Thank you. [9:42] » Thanks for being here. >> All right. Uh, engineers report. [9:48] Thank you. >> Thank you. [9:50] » Okay. All right. So on the engineers report, [9:54] the first item is our um annual MS4 public officials board training. Um it [10:02] is attached to the engineers report online for your review. Um [10:10] going through it. U most of this is items that you have seen before. Um [10:16] first slide goes through first slide goes through um the permit [10:21] overview for our NPDS um MS4 permit for storm water discharges. Um that is a [10:29] summary of the same things that we have gone over year after year. Second slide [10:34] describes the six um MCM. MCM one is public education and outreach. Two is [10:41] public involvement and participation. Three is illicit discharge detection and [10:46] elimination. Four is construction site storm water runoff. Five is post [10:51] construction storm water management and new and redevelopment areas. Six is [10:56] pollution prevention and good housekeeping. So throughout the year um [11:01] township makes efforts um to comply with all of these. We maintain binders on [11:06] your behalf uh assist you with uh keeping those binders current. um [11:12] prepare for um any D inspections that we have uh forthcoming. Usually once every [11:18] permit cycle we'll receive a visit. Um we've always had uh very good um [11:24] outcomes from our um D inspection. So uh what we're doing has um what you're [11:31] doing I should say has collectively been working. Um so we will just maintain [11:36] that. um September 30th of every year, uh your annual um report is due to D. Um [11:44] obviously coming up at the end of the month. Um we provide the information uh [11:50] for submissions that includes um inspection of all your outfalls, um a [11:56] summary of observations, follow up with your um community or your um businesses [12:03] that have private storm water ponds. Um, so that report goes on every year. [12:09] Um, the current permit that we have um was [12:14] issued in 2018. It is a 5-year permit that has been administratively extended. [12:20] Um [12:25] the goals that we have for the permit that's currently in hand uh the 10% [12:30] reduction for pollutant loading, 5% uh for total phosphorus loading. Uh [12:36] those items are one of the factors that govern design of your storm water [12:41] management facilities that we have been constructing. Um this permit cycle we [12:47] had um the two PRP projects that we've already completed. The remaining project [12:54] um Sylview Plond Scrub Grass Stream those are forthcoming. So those are an [12:58] obligation of your 2018 permit. Um just trying to go through here quick [13:04] so I don't be labor the point. [13:11] The completed um facilities so far we have Hope [13:15] Street, Green Common, Spinner Field, Devil uh Detention Facility, and [13:20] Cherryell Stream Restoration um to be completed, Scrubgrass Stream, Sil View [13:26] Pond. >> Can I quick question? [13:29] » Yep. >> The rest of that that we still have to [13:32] do, when does that have to be done by? >> Well, technically it has to be done [13:36] before the permit renewal period. Um, we're in that period. Those two are [13:41] late. Um, but D has been reminding communities that these are an obligation [13:48] of the existing permit and they're not going to go away. So, as long as we're [13:52] showing progress, and we are, um, we would have a chance to make an argument [13:57] that that you're showing progress, we were held up on one, the permit for the [14:01] stream project, and two, the property acquisition for the pond. So I think you [14:06] have a a valid um rebuttal. So uh that doesn't absolve you [14:12] though of completing the projects. Um so those are in progress and I think we [14:18] discussed um in before that we're looking to bid [14:22] those fall. Um we are um as far as the pond project goes uh the geotech is [14:30] scheduled to do his drilling so we can finalize design. and the solicitor's [14:34] office is working on property acquisition. I think that's all going [14:37] well. So, I don't see any delay on that one. Uh the stream project, um we're [14:43] still back and forth with D on the permit. Uh we submit something, they ask [14:47] more questions. This has been going on for, you know, pretty much the entire [14:51] year. >> Yeah. [14:52] » Um so that that may be um a little behind. [15:00] Not to add to what you're our training, but just the reason I asked is we have a [15:05] a considerable chunk of money we have to try and come up with. So I wondered if [15:10] that could be kind of spread out a little bit. It was a conversation that [15:13] Don and I were having in the back. Just wondering because we've done so much [15:18] already. >> Understood. Um the pond I would say when [15:22] it's ready to go, it needs to go. uh the stream project, you know, that's pending [15:29] permit. So, that may, you know, we may have to wait until we're um [15:35] comfortable that that permit is is on its way. Uh if you bid it and you don't [15:38] have the permit, you can hold those bids for 90 days. And I, you know, it I don't [15:42] want to have to reject bids because we don't have a permit. If we're close to [15:46] it, I think we're good. >> Um [15:50] » understand the budget constraints. Um, I know we we've been working on that [15:54] capital budget um behind the scenes. >> Okay, thanks. [15:57] » Great. Do you have any idea what the pond project would cost [16:01] » in front of me? Hold on. I can answer that, but can I answer it down here [16:05] because I got to look up my budget? >> Um, okay. [16:08] » Um, so in terms of next the next permit [16:13] cycle, um, we're anticipating the final draft to be released by D at the end of [16:19] this year. um permit for next year. Um [16:26] » so that is moving on the regulatory side of things. [16:31] Um they're changing some things in that [16:35] permit. Um instead of the nine minimum controls, we're now going to have six [16:39] minimum controls. Um just a different way of sizing ponds. Um it's going to be [16:46] volume based rather than pollutant based. Um but nonetheless, uh once we [16:53] get the uh permit issued, we'll have a better idea of what our obligations are [16:58] moving forward in addition to the two that are outstanding. [17:02] So trying to keep it brief. If you want more information, you know, we can [17:06] certainly discuss that and I will send you an independent PDF. You should put [17:12] this on your website. Um it's helps with one of your MCMs. Um, [17:19] » that'd be good. >> And unless you have any questions, I can [17:21] move to the next item. >> Questions for Marie? [17:27] » Okay. Um, next up on the engineers report is to discuss approval of partial [17:32] payment number two in the amount of $548,347.50 [17:38] by JetJack, Inc. for the 2026 Storm Improvements Project. That's contract 26 [17:45] STR. So, this is one of the projects that we [17:50] have funding for. We are trying to get the um reimbursement request submitted. [17:57] So, if if at all possible, if this could be approved this evening and the check [18:01] cut that will get us um we have JetJet Jack pick it up. Carla sent me the uh [18:07] form to have that done and once we get the cancel check, we can get the [18:10] reimbursement request submitted. Does anybody have a problem with that? [18:16] Everyone's nodding. We're good. Don, you're good with that. Nick, you're okay [18:19] with that? >> Yeah. [18:22] » Good. Yep. >> Thank you. Thank you very much. Um, last [18:27] up is to discuss approval of partial payment number two in the amount of [18:32] $484,42.50 50 cents submitted by Cronin Enterprises [18:37] LLC Public Works Salt Storage Building Replacement Project Contract 25- MB1 [18:50] » questions on that. >> What's all left with that one on the [18:53] building? >> Uh, they were finishing up. I mean, the [18:56] building's up, the roof is up. I I don't know exactly um in particular what's all [19:00] left, but they're pretty darn close to finishing. [19:04] probably have one or two more partial payments. Um, this one I believe this is [19:09] funded project as well. Um, we did partial payment number one. If you [19:15] approve tonight and cut the check and they pick it up, we can get that [19:19] reimbursement request in because I think we had 175,000 in funding. Yeah. [19:24] » So, the first run was not enough. >> So, if that's that's the pleasure of the [19:30] board, we would appreciate that. I have no issue with that. If Stacy's [19:35] will want to ask everybody around, I'd like to get us our money back. The [19:39] sooner the better. >> Me, too. That would be great. Hi. Thank [19:41] you. >> Uh I went over tonight meeting. [19:45] Electric's left. They got the paving done. [19:49] So, they should be wrapped up the next couple weeks. Um uh the budget on the uh [19:55] MS4s. Um got the pond is 650 650,000 street marks 350. Our goal was to bid [20:02] that in the next couple weeks >> contractors looking for work early [20:07] winter. Um so we found last year we got really good pricing um like in November [20:13] bid for this type work. If so you may see 20 30% reduction just because of [20:19] timing. Um so it' be well worth uh put an outer to see what the bid is. Then [20:24] we'll have a good idea for budget. >> Okay. as well. Uh, one other item on the [20:28] training question that comes up is all the time about how long is this permit. [20:33] Um, so they did put out with this draft permit that it's a 50year [20:39] cycle. Um, every five years you'll get a new permit. Um but uh under the new [20:44] volume control plan uh 88% the runoff from the township facilities [20:51] which is your buildings your parking lots and your roads has to be treated [20:58] with volume control. So uh the good thing is all the pond work that you did [21:03] uh it gets into the calculation and you do your credit for volume reduction. Um, [21:08] so you'll have work to do with I think it's going to be 2030 now since the [21:13] permit was delayed will be the next time that you have to spend money after doing [21:17] these two construction projects. >> So 27 will be the permit renewal if they [21:23] stay on schedule. 30 or 28 and 29 will be preliminary design within the permit [21:30] and then 3031 will be your two years of construction and then you'll go back [21:35] into another cycle. So, it's not going to be as construction heavy as this [21:40] permanent cycle was. Kind of giving everybody a breath, but they did finally [21:44] answer the question, how long is this going to go on? And it's 50 years. So, [21:49] um at least we have an idea now that you got a plan uh for funding for the MS4 [21:55] program. It's not something that's going to go go away in five years or 10 years, [22:00] but they put a time frame to it of 50 years. [22:03] » Acronym in 50 years. So >> something [22:07] » but that's the latest on that. Okay. >> Hey the bond the pond and the streams [22:13] » I guess come to like a million. >> Yes. [22:16] » Do we have any funding for those? >> Not those two. [22:20] » Not for those two. So it's a million out of pocket. [22:22] » Correct. >> Okay. Thank you. [22:27] » All right. So everyone's good with that >> improvement. The only funding, Don, that [22:32] we had on the PRPs, we had 200,000 from the county were uh the first round of [22:37] PRPs. That was all we had. [22:49] » That it we're good. >> That's it. [22:50] » Okay. Any other questions for Ray? >> Good. Okay. We'll move on to finance. Uh [22:56] Don was going to handle that for tonight. Don. [22:59] » Okay. The first item is the release of the remaining annual allotment to each [23:05] CargI fire department in accordance with the [23:09] 2026 approved budget allocation of $65,396. [23:16] Basically a no-brainer. >> Any questions? [23:21] » We'll put that on next next meeting for a vote. [23:24] » Yep. >> Okay. Next one is discuss the payment [23:30] request from Aquaure Mid Atlantic Partners Insurance [23:37] Actial Services from 7126 to 3026 [23:45] for the police pension fund and the non-uniform pension fund each amount of [23:52] $1,352 like a total of $2,700. $100 that be [23:58] paid from the respective pension trust accounts. [24:04] Any questions? If not, we'll put that on a vote. [24:09] Guess the next one, the last one, succeed. Yes, we will have questions on [24:14] this. Discuss the 2027 MMO minimum municipal obligation for [24:21] police and non-uniform pension plans in the amount of $1,622,900 [24:31] and passing appropriate resolutions [24:37] for employee contribution rates non-uniform and police [24:43] rates will be so set at 6%. Any questions? [24:50] I didn't get so high. >> Um the meeting that we had there was [24:55] smoothing that is actually expiring this coming year. We have um [25:01] benefits that um we're going out um on the uniform side [25:10] that um has increased. Um [25:15] the non-uniform we are raising their percentage from 5.6 [25:22] to 6%. Um they're also recommending that we [25:26] look at raising the um police contributions as well, but that's a [25:31] contract item. Um I know that Tom has been kind of [25:36] warning uh the board uh this past year stating that it was going to go up um [25:44] and we got the figures now. So uh state aid in last last year was around 400 [25:50] some thousand. So the rest of that remaining amount is going to have to [25:56] come from the township. >> Two, [25:58] » what was last year's? >> Um, [26:03] do you have the exact figure, Cora >> or ballpark? [26:08] » 958. >> Yeah. [26:11] » Two. Yeah. [26:18] » Okay. So, any other discussion on the matter? Put that on the exitender for a [26:25] vote. That's it for finance. [26:30] All right. Thanks, Don. Uh, standing committee report for public safety. [26:33] Kathy, >> uh, the chief has his report. [26:40] » Good evening, Evan. >> Good evening. [26:42] » Uh, love of August. We're kind of busy. 816 calls for service, 520 reports [26:49] taken, 10 arrests, 59 citations. Social worker is up to 42 total cases, 11 of [26:57] them currently. 31 still doing a great job and seeing [27:03] uh just a reminder for the public, October 22nd at 6 PM, we're partnered [27:08] with district attorney's office for the presentation on elder fraud. may [27:12] encourage all our senior residents to attend. Registration can be found on the [27:17] flyer on our Facebook page. That is all I have. I think any [27:23] questions, please. [27:28] » Great. Thank you. >> Yep. Thanks, Kathy. Anything else for [27:32] tonight? >> Uh, yes. At our September 2nd public [27:35] safety committee meeting, um we discussed [27:39] the proposed ordinance, the um temporary containers, [27:47] temporary storage containers and overnight parking and they were both [27:54] referred to planning commission for their comment [27:58] and they'll be included in the October discussion meeting. Okay. [28:05] » Anything else, Kev? >> Nothing else. Thank you. [28:08] » Great. Thanks. All right. Uh, standing committee report for public works. Uh, [28:13] we have our Well, we don't have an update. Is there anything you want to [28:16] add for an update for public works? >> Um, no, I could actually put that in [28:22] with my manager's update if that's okay. >> That would be good. Uh, next up, discuss [28:26] ratifying the rejection that discuss ratifying the rejection of the [28:32] Shayco Purchasing Alliance Rock Salt bid from American Rock Salt at a rate of 160 [28:37] per ton and instead approving the Co-Star rock salt bid from American Rock [28:43] Salt at a rate of 944 per ton. I a big difference. [28:49] » Yeah. >> When the bids came in, they came in um [28:54] substantially higher. Um we last year because we had so many issues, we ended [28:59] up um splitting our our tonnage and went and also got pricing with u co-stars. So [29:08] luckily we did enter into that as well. So we do have the co-stars option and [29:12] that's what I'm recommending that the board does. [29:15] » Do you need that approved tonight? If it's okay with you, I would like to [29:19] get that letter out to them as soon as possible. [29:22] » I don't think anyone's going to not approve paying, [29:25] especially making sure we have enough of it, [29:28] » especially love the price as long as they can get it to us. [29:32] » Exactly. >> Very hopeful. Yes. [29:36] » Um, do we have any contingency? Are there any [29:39] with co-stars? There's no like liquidated damages or anything like we [29:42] had with uh >> No, it is different. It's a different [29:45] agreement. Yeah. They can't deliver rest for screwed. [29:48] » No, we'd have to go out and buy it on our own, right? [29:51] » We'd have to find it elsewhere. Um, and we did enter into an agreement last year [29:56] whenever we were running solo with the state to get salt from them. [30:02] Sure. That that would be the same arrangement that we would have to enter [30:05] into if that happened. >> It's worth the chance. [30:08] » They do have alternate suppliers listed on this as well. Are we [30:12] able to go to those others if the if the top candidate can't deliver? [30:19] » Not that I'm aware of. I'll verify that with co-stars, but it was my [30:23] understanding that no, it was only the >> because there's one, two, three, four, [30:27] five. There's six contract numbers. American Rockol, Cargill, Compass, [30:32] um, Eastern Salt, Morton, and Riverside. >> Well, you're not signing a contract with [30:37] the >> Coast Guards. We just had to agree to [30:40] » buy it at that price, >> get this much. So, [30:43] » yeah, but I think you'd have other options if they could. [30:47] » Thank you. Thanks, Nick. >> Anything else for public works? [30:55] » Okay. Um, moving on then, environmental committee, sewer committee, MS4 updates. [31:01] Jane. Um well the uh I just want to remind everybody that the EAC is having [31:06] their tick program tomorrow evening in this in the meeting room here at 6 pm. [31:11] If anybody would like to attend, I'm sure they would like to see you there. [31:15] Um and also the students that have been working on the LCA program for the [31:21] township have a have a presentation they would like to give via Zoom in December. [31:27] So the question brought to you all is do we [31:32] want them to pres to present to the board [31:36] directly through by the Zoom meeting in December? We could schedule that for [31:40] December 8th or would they would you prefer that the they present it directly [31:46] to the EAC board? >> Do you feel that that's something that [31:49] the board would benefit from hearing? Then I would say go ahead and we could [31:53] do it here. We could even do it at 7 o'clock or [31:56] » I think it would be nice. It would because I know the students have worked [32:00] really hard on this now. I haven't seen the program. Okay. [32:03] » I don't even know how long it the presentations. [32:06] » I think it would mean a lot to the students. [32:09] » Okay. >> You find out how long and [32:12] » Yeah, I will. I'll find out how long I'll let you guys all know and plan it [32:16] for like seven o'clock. >> Y everybody is if once you find out that [32:21] would be fantastic. Can we open it up as a community event? [32:23] » Yep. >> Yeah. And explain the purpose. Yeah. [32:26] Wouldn't it >> as a community event? [32:29] » Yep. >> Bacon's [32:33] good with that. >> That's all I have. Thanks. [32:35] » Okay. Thanks, Jane. All right. Parks, recreation, and public relations. [32:40] Eileen. >> Nothing today. [32:42] » Okay. Library leaison report. Don. >> Yeah. The uh library director wanted [32:48] make wanted me to make the board aware of four items. First is uh September. [32:54] This month is love your library month. Donations to the library during [32:59] September will be eligible for a prorated match by Bunchler Foundation. [33:06] That's one item. Second item, library fall craft show 9:2626 [33:12] from 10:00 a.m. to 2 pm in the municipal building. [33:16] Then the library will host an adult trivia night Friday, October 9th from 7 [33:22] to 900 p.m. in the community room. And the last is uh Friends of the Library [33:30] will host a book sale in October. See library website for additional details. [33:37] That's it. >> Okay. Thanks, Don. A standing committee [33:41] report for administration. We have the manager's update, Denise. Okay. I'm sure [33:46] the board is aware that we had a substantial storm last week. It was [33:51] actually a thousand-year storm, and we did have some damage that um happened [33:56] throughout the township, but we are addressing it. We do have an emergency [34:00] repair that's probably going to have to take place at the bottom of Raven where [34:04] we had um part of the road had lifted. Um we do have Cronin giving us some [34:11] prices on that. So we should be able to add that for ratification probably at [34:16] the end of this month. We finished the magnets. Um Mike finished that up and we [34:24] actually had them delivered. I think all of the board has has received a handful [34:29] of those. We will be giving those out to new residents in the township. So, good [34:33] job on that, Mike. Um, and then lastly, just to update the public, we do have a [34:39] deer management questionnaire out there that we are asking for the public's [34:44] input and their viewpoints on deer management. [34:49] » Thank you. >> Okay. Thanks. Right. Uh, conferences and [34:52] workshops, we have nothing for tonight. Are there any public comments on items [34:57] not listed on the agenda? Anybody online? No. [35:04] All right, we'll move the commissioner's request. Kathy, anything? [35:09] » Nothing. Thank you. >> Michelle, [35:11] » I'm good. Thank you so much. >> Yep. Sam [35:15] Nick, anything for tonight? >> Nothing. Thank you. [35:19] » Yep. I leave >> just keep October 3rd on your calendar [35:23] for uh October >> Fest [35:30] and I have one I just wondered um I know I am in light of all the storms I know [35:35] that I'm certain that the public works could not get to Kirk Road at all to cut [35:40] back but they kind of keep it on the on their plates they get back to it [35:45] eventually because I there are certain residents who are [35:49] concerned >> removing the the [35:53] » it's >> vegetation. [35:54] » Yeah. >> Yeah. Just the vegetation and the trees [35:57] are hanging a little bit have a lot of snow on those trees. [36:01] » Thank you. >> Thank all right. I do have I have [36:06] nothing for tonight. U do we have an executive session? We [36:09] » just one item >> but do not need to leave the meeting [36:11] open for that. So unless there's anything else could I get a motion [36:14] please to adjurnn. Michelle a second. Second. Thank you Eileene. All those in [36:18] favor signify by saying I. >> I. [36:21] » Meeting is adjourned. Thank you everyone. [36:34] too late to ask.