1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,320 Good. 2 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:16,320 to call the roll please. >> Yes, sir. 3 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:17,759 » Molly Antonine >> here. 4 00:04:16,799 --> 00:04:19,440 » Alex bet >> here. 5 00:04:18,479 --> 00:04:20,639 » Danny Brit >> here. 6 00:04:19,759 --> 00:04:23,840 » Billy >> here. 7 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:25,680 » Roger Whitley >> here. 8 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:30,960 » Mayor here. >> Thank you all. 9 00:04:28,479 --> 00:04:35,840 It's been suggested that u rather than do public comment right now, let's let's 10 00:04:33,759 --> 00:04:41,280 have council discussion first and then public comments. Council discussion that 11 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:47,120 beg agreeable to everybody. I see no objection. So we'll go that. 12 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:53,040 So we get right into the new business. The reason for this special session is 13 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:57,440 to get this beles and beverage tax issued 14 00:04:54,960 --> 00:05:01,840 straight. First thing I want to say is that the 15 00:04:59,840 --> 00:05:08,800 town administrator has 16 00:05:03,919 --> 00:05:13,360 done her job. She is sworn to follow the ordinances and the laws as they see fit 17 00:05:11,280 --> 00:05:19,120 and she's trying to do that. So don't give her a hard time about what's been 18 00:05:15,280 --> 00:05:23,039 going on because it's not her fault. way I see this thing and we had plenty 19 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:30,759 of discussion on it last week before we we 20 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:30,759 voted on Dan's um a motion. 21 00:05:31,280 --> 00:05:39,039 We according to Mr. Bowling we can suspend 22 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:45,280 uh enforcing the beverage part of the meals tax through the end of the year so 23 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:50,400 desire correct. Um, you better be specific about where you want to suspend 24 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:54,240 the whole department. Is that correct? >> Well, we're talking about the four 25 00:05:53,039 --> 00:05:59,320 chamber of >> the whole four chamber of 26 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:06,400 Well, >> also, 27 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:10,160 » right, >> specifically name those events. Correct. 28 00:06:09,039 --> 00:06:13,520 » Yeah. >> Not just the location. We got just four. 29 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:16,720 Just telling. >> Yeah. 30 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:19,199 » So, we got two Fridays left. We got the holiday happening. We got the wine fest, 31 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:23,600 right? >> Yep. 32 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:28,800 » Okay. So, if we entertain a motion to suspend the collection of the beverage 33 00:06:27,199 --> 00:06:33,120 taxes on those four events, that's illegal for 34 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:38,400 us to do that tonight. >> Uh, I would suspend both the food and 35 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:43,280 beverage tax because they go together. I understand where you're coming from, 36 00:06:40,479 --> 00:06:50,639 but I think it's I think it is u 37 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:56,880 unfair to the restaurants that don't participate in riding on the canal to 38 00:06:54,319 --> 00:07:01,759 have to pay food tax while those local restaurants that do participate have to 39 00:06:59,039 --> 00:07:04,560 pay don't have to pay food service. See where I'm coming from? 40 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:11,240 » I think the difference is is the type of vendor they are. But your your 41 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:11,240 authorities on the interals tax 42 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:17,599 suspend what do we call that period of time 43 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:22,319 how many more months >> till the end of the year 44 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:28,160 » if I were doing it I'd suspend the food beverage 45 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:33,280 issue specifically the 40 until you have the chance to meet fresh air. 46 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:36,800 » Well we're talking about we're talking about the farmers market and canal base. 47 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:40,280 Well, I get them mixed up. I call them both phones. 48 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:47,440 » You need to come out there and then you'll remember to clarify. 49 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:51,520 » Let's just say the four events that are sponsored by the chamber. 50 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:57,280 » This is the most important issue we have today is to talk about um the chamber 51 00:07:54,560 --> 00:08:00,400 and there are four events coming up of where we want to be. 52 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:04,479 » James, why don't you come up here? >> So, so to answer your question, you can 53 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:07,479 do that. both. 54 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:16,879 » Can we volunteer collect a meals tax? >> Can we voluntarily collect meals tax on 55 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:20,000 food that is sold whether it's enforced on both or not? 56 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:25,440 » Yeah. So that's what I would say. If that's what your suggestion as the law 57 00:08:22,479 --> 00:08:30,240 goes, our uh food vendors that have been collecting meals tax will continue to 58 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:35,039 voluntarily collect meals tax. That's what we agreed on. That's what I would 59 00:08:31,599 --> 00:08:42,560 like to state to. So tax includes food and it includes beverages station. 60 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:49,040 So this is why I'm saying but if you want to collect it and limit it that's 61 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:55,600 fine. I don't think it counts but very >> well there's isn't there a difference 62 00:08:51,839 --> 00:08:58,720 between a vendor that sells food and beverages and one that just sells 63 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:03,360 beverages? >> Not the purposes of your tax. There's an 64 00:09:01,519 --> 00:09:09,040 important concept here and that is that if you're a municipality, you are not 65 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:14,000 county and you're enabling legislation, your authority to enact in the news tax 66 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:18,880 is distinct and separate apart from the authority of the county operates. That's 67 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:24,680 very important to understand what's going on and by the state 68 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:35,720 and they have not tested broader pathies and we're not subject to the hill 69 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:41,920 although there are >> overall or just for this 70 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:46,800 » plan for this >> Mr. I just want to take a moment just to 71 00:09:45,279 --> 00:09:52,959 just step back just for a moment just to say how did we get here. So we as a 72 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:58,240 council and again I speak for myself but I want to speak in a way that we are 73 00:09:55,760 --> 00:10:04,880 very thankful for the chamber all that you do. We're thankful for our town 74 00:10:00,560 --> 00:10:10,320 staff and all they do. We are trying to simply affirm the events that have been 75 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:16,720 scheduled. First of all we regret that there's been confusion. We regret that 76 00:10:12,959 --> 00:10:21,600 there's been misunderstanding in how whatever the source from my perspective 77 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:24,720 I view it's like a football game it's the third quarter and I'm not really 78 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:28,720 interested in at the moment talking about what happened in the first half 79 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:34,000 West Virginia team had a good first half the other day 80 00:10:30,560 --> 00:10:39,040 but but what I would like to do here is have a good second half so so for us and 81 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:45,440 just to say this so what we're doing tonight is simply to say I think and I 82 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:49,519 say this to you James as a council and again anybody could say something 83 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:56,399 differently if they have a different thought. Um but we are supportive of the 84 00:10:52,800 --> 00:11:00,480 chamber. We ran into the problem. We want to make sure we solve it 85 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:06,880 tonight. We want to make sure that you can plan the events that you need to 86 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:11,440 plan though for this year. I think talking about 27 would be better enough 87 00:11:09,279 --> 00:11:17,279 time tonight. I just want to for me personally also whatever happened and 88 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:21,760 how we got here it's extremely relevant but it's not relevant to solving this 89 00:11:19,279 --> 00:11:24,959 problem I simply want to make sure that you have what you need and I think we 90 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:28,160 all feel that way that we want to make sure that you have what you need we want 91 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:32,320 to make sure if anybody wants to say anything at some point in the meeting 92 00:11:29,279 --> 00:11:37,680 that needs to be said >> I just wanted to verify what have we 93 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:42,079 done in the past up till now like even just for this fiscal year 94 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:49,040 » well We have not been assessing the meals tax such events as the Columbus 95 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:53,360 mark until >> the canal 96 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:57,040 canal basement. >> We're going to take a tour. 97 00:11:56,320 --> 00:12:02,800 That's >> No, they're boats at Canal Bas. You 98 00:11:59,680 --> 00:12:05,519 can't visit. had not been assessing that and the field I think this summer. 99 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:11,519 » Uhhuh. >> And um the county administrator made a 100 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:15,839 decision not to do any assessment for June 101 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:23,040 June and July and then started up an assessment all commenced while 102 00:12:18,959 --> 00:12:29,040 » okay um because don't we um No, I was talking I'm sorry. Um, so when we are 103 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:35,760 assessing this and we're looking at it and we haven't done that in the past, is 104 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:40,000 it reasonable to say that we should just continue as usual until the end of the 105 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:46,519 year? >> That's that's certainly a good point. I 106 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:46,519 mean that's why I said 107 00:12:46,560 --> 00:12:55,200 » you had the discretion to call time out to figure out exactly what to do. 108 00:12:53,680 --> 00:13:01,519 » I think that's very reasonable. >> You understand that the authority for 109 00:12:57,279 --> 00:13:05,360 you exercise your tax under specifically addresses farmers markets and farm 110 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:11,120 stands. >> It says you can tax them but then it 111 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:16,720 provides for $2,500 a year exemption. Right. So that's what I'm I'm never 112 00:13:14,079 --> 00:13:25,680 completely tough about much any law, but I'm fairly tough at the definition 113 00:13:19,680 --> 00:13:31,519 to assess what you what I call deals tax sales tax in Alb Square and Farmer's 114 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:37,680 Park by the chamber. >> Okay. But you certainly have the right 115 00:13:34,399 --> 00:13:41,760 and I believe the authority and power to put off a decision about what you're 116 00:13:39,519 --> 00:13:47,680 going to do for this until the end of the year and start again 2027 after 117 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:54,800 you've had time to deliberate on what you want to do going forward. You have 118 00:13:49,839 --> 00:14:02,240 not been taxing such items in the past. We have been I would like to clarify. We 119 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:05,920 have been taxing the canal basin square events for food. 120 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:11,360 » What about >> Well, our tax is food and beverage. It 121 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:14,480 includes everything. I'm not >> separating the food. 122 00:14:12,399 --> 00:14:20,639 » Are you an attorney or something? Because I feel like you are just 123 00:14:16,639 --> 00:14:20,639 bringing up all the attorneys. 124 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:30,880 What is she point out? I get the submitts every 125 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:38,320 month from the different food vendors. Mr. Walker said in the last meeting he 126 00:14:33,199 --> 00:14:45,600 pointed out that one of the well places had submitted their payments. Also the 127 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:50,240 barn at 678 the winery that is from 676 they also submitted for the payment pend 128 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:56,079 this was all pointed out you know a couple weeks ago too I confirmed it yes 129 00:14:52,800 --> 00:15:01,760 they paid in May. So we have been collecting money and then in reference 130 00:14:58,399 --> 00:15:10,480 to the town administrator, our treasurer deciding not to impose the tax. That was 131 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:16,240 an agreement between James Walker came in to my office for a meeting along with 132 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:21,519 Jackman representing um bodies on the canal 133 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:26,480 in reference to the barn at 676. I'm sorry. Except 134 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:33,680 » if I'm snowball the boring in reference to that because they had paid in May 135 00:15:30,639 --> 00:15:39,279 and I was like okay thank thank you and they asked will you not make the pay in 136 00:15:36,079 --> 00:15:46,480 June and July they're they're you know reluctant they don't want to do that so 137 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:51,680 we made an agreement that I would not charge them for June and July and that 138 00:15:49,199 --> 00:15:58,560 we would moving forward then that's what they would be taxed. Now, it seems like 139 00:15:55,440 --> 00:16:04,240 that agreement and it is in writing um that I made with with that vendor. 140 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:09,040 » I haven't seen that. Do you have that the agreement? 141 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:14,480 » It you sent it to me in an email. >> No, I haven't sent it to to you all. I 142 00:16:11,759 --> 00:16:20,639 sent it to the owner of the company of that vendor to say, "Okay, yes, I'm not 143 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:26,560 going to do June and July." Oh, so it was just those two months. 144 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:31,279 » Yes. And so now it's morphed into it's, you know, I guess under discussion 145 00:16:29,199 --> 00:16:36,399 are all the vendors. >> Well, we haven't talked about not 146 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:42,720 looking at the past. I'm glad for you to just keep on going, but um you know, 147 00:16:39,519 --> 00:16:46,240 you're arguing your position. I don't know what else we're going to get from 148 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:51,920 this that we haven't gotten from all the emails. So should we talk about what we 149 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:56,720 can do? >> That's what he was doing. 150 00:16:52,959 --> 00:17:04,160 » Come back to you. So James, um, one of the things we were communicating about, 151 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:09,280 we want to make sure Absolutely. that we cover what you need. And so if you tell 152 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:16,160 us a little bit just about when you you all were under duress 153 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:20,400 because you had to postpone decisions that are financial the financial 154 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:27,600 consequences and we're thankful that in good faith people have waited for this 155 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:33,840 meeting. But that said, what do you need as a chamber? So we need assurance that 156 00:17:31,679 --> 00:17:39,760 we can move forward as we have been moving as we have been pre uh for the 157 00:17:37,360 --> 00:17:46,559 previous months out of the year. And we need to know that our vendors and that 158 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:50,880 we are not going to be getting letters requesting taxes being collected on 159 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:54,720 alcohol only sales. >> When you say assurance, define what you 160 00:17:52,799 --> 00:17:59,039 mean by assurance. Well, I don't know if y'all it was late in the evening, but I 161 00:17:56,320 --> 00:18:02,799 did or late today, but I did send in a motion that I think covers everything. 162 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:10,880 It lists out the specific events that we have left in the um year, and it was uh 163 00:18:07,039 --> 00:18:14,559 uh uh drafted by the chamber and with guidance from our attorney. And so, I 164 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:17,919 think it covers the legal aspect. I don't know if you had a chance to review 165 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:24,320 it, Jim. I looked at it very quickly, but I think again it gets confused about 166 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:29,840 the authority of the county which municipalities charge tax and a county 167 00:18:27,919 --> 00:18:37,039 and I again give me because I just looked at it when I came in but that was 168 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:41,840 often cost a penny of it but so I keep saying the town I don't want to give the 169 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:46,880 town the power and authority of town unless the county wants to do that then 170 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:51,200 it's fun how counsel is this master bastard so investment here and they can 171 00:18:48,799 --> 00:18:55,919 do what they want to but you at least ought to understand what you're doing 172 00:18:53,039 --> 00:18:59,840 and why you're doing that's the reason and Mr. Bowling, just to follow up on 173 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:04,880 you and also you, James, and just so everybody out there understands, 174 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:08,880 we may be into the nitty-gritty a little bit, but ultimately when we're done 175 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:13,360 tonight, I think we're going to come up with some favorable way for you to move 176 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:16,000 forward and we might have to might take a little work to find it, but go 177 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:19,520 continue. >> Yep. So, it specifically lists the 178 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:25,760 Fridays on the Canal, the Riverbin Wine Festival, and the holiday happenings 179 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:30,559 events that are left in this year. So, the four events we've been talking 180 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:34,400 about, it specifically mentions uh the enforcement of the meals tax ordinance 181 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:40,720 as it applies to our dinner businesses selling alcohol without food. Uh pending 182 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:44,640 pending adoption of a formal interim plan and or consideration of amendment 183 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:50,720 of the present meals tax ordinance. Scotsville code lists that u and the 184 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:56,640 following events. So, that's part one. Uh part two is uh to modify the recently 185 00:19:54,240 --> 00:20:00,880 revised payment date for such tax itinerant businesses. So the businesses 186 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:08,080 that will be paying meals tax is what we're referring to in this uh number two 187 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:11,919 that they will be able to uh turn business to reflect any meals tax 188 00:20:09,919 --> 00:20:16,640 required from temporary vendors at these events to be reported and remitted by 189 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:20,559 the 20th day of the following month consistent with Scotsville Code such and 190 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:25,120 such such and such. So 191 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:29,039 the businesses that are collecting meals tax, we want them to be able to pay by 192 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:33,600 the 20th of next month as opposed to the following Monday which is being asked of 193 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:39,440 us now which is also in the state code which is also how other municipalities 194 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:45,760 around the state do it. pounds >> that that problem, right? To pay later 195 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:51,600 is that's not right >> to to play to pay if we were if they 196 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:55,360 paid it later versus a day like that's they're still paying. 197 00:20:53,600 --> 00:21:01,360 » Well, that's true. They are still paying it. But what's it's it's not a problem, 198 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:04,640 but basically you can do away with the kids tax if that's what you want to do, 199 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:08,640 but if you decide to do that, you need to do it for everybody in the town. 200 00:21:07,120 --> 00:21:11,600 where investors >> well I guess if we doing away with 201 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:16,400 everybody and the food vendors voluntarily pay it's okay if they pay uh 202 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:20,360 three weeks later >> yeah you could 203 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:27,039 town that 204 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:32,240 » I think the question I think is really if they have the canal square on Friday 205 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:37,360 they would like to have the payment everything done by Monday he's asking 206 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:43,280 them if you really want to get down to Monday is technically follow business 207 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:48,240 day. That's three days to maybe uh we suggested it's not enough time for the 208 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:54,640 vendor or whoever can get their numbers together to make 209 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:58,159 if it's okay to extend that instead of following Monday maybe a week from the 210 00:21:56,799 --> 00:22:01,200 day >> that I think that 211 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:04,240 » to the 20th which is >> just going forward here we get all 212 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:09,919 straight >> that makes sense to me 213 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:15,200 » that's point number two point number And the first one I think is just point 214 00:22:12,159 --> 00:22:20,240 number the the pause of enforcement of the meals tax. Mr. Bowling, did you see 215 00:22:17,120 --> 00:22:25,200 that on the first one? Just >> I just came in. 216 00:22:23,360 --> 00:22:30,200 » I figured you'd be all knowing, Mr. >> No, I'm not I'm telling you be careful 217 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:30,200 here. 218 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:38,400 » Sure. We don't want to do that. >> You're talking restaurants and farmers 219 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:41,400 market. And we're not just talking about >> antenna. 220 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:53,200 » Yeah. Well, I don't think we can do that. 221 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:58,840 » No, we listed specific events on the >> list. Yeah, we listed specific events. 222 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,840 » Okay. 223 00:22:59,919 --> 00:23:07,280 We're we're talking about the point of just pausing on enforcement until we 224 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:10,559 sort out the >> Well, I have no problem with the policy 225 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:15,240 enforcement, but I do have a problem because more subsc 226 00:23:21,679 --> 00:23:27,520 » Well, the the point the first point was to pause the enforcement, which we've 227 00:23:25,679 --> 00:23:29,840 already talked about. I don't have any problem with that. 228 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:34,559 » And then the second one was simply to change the date of when the payment. 229 00:23:33,039 --> 00:23:38,640 » But if we're pausing enforcement and we're paying voluntarily, I don't see 230 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:44,320 that. That seems like a new point. >> That's not too No, the third one is the 231 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:48,720 itinerate lure of non-food vendors that are 232 00:23:46,799 --> 00:23:58,480 operating under temporary basis under nonprofit license. So, as uh we paid 233 00:23:53,120 --> 00:24:03,600 earlier as a nonprofit, we paid the bold taxes for the event to sponsor the event 234 00:24:00,799 --> 00:24:07,039 to have the other businesses underneath of our umbrella of a nonprofit sponsored 235 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:10,000 event. >> Well, that's now you're into the 236 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:12,960 business class side. >> Yes. 237 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:18,080 » And I'm not even sure that as I talked to council about it that attended venues 238 00:24:15,679 --> 00:24:23,440 is the best classification to deal with here. There's another classification in 239 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:30,120 your business license which is makes more sense why I consider that but 240 00:24:27,120 --> 00:24:30,120 issue 241 00:24:32,559 --> 00:24:38,559 » well to stay on on on the issues of what we're being asked to 242 00:24:37,360 --> 00:24:42,880 do and what we were asked to do originally is we were originally told 243 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:48,960 that we could pay as a nonprofit sponsor the event and itinerate merchants could 244 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:53,760 » be under that budget. There is a way you can uh you can make this all go away. 245 00:24:51,840 --> 00:25:01,279 That is the chamber could collect all revenues from the sale of of meals and 246 00:24:57,679 --> 00:25:04,880 and wine. Okay. >> And and no vendors would come if they 247 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:08,000 had to turn over all their money to us. Well, no. So, we're trying to keep the 248 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:10,480 events going. So, let's not even worry about that. 249 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:13,360 » That's in the code, you know. >> Well, we're trying to find code that 250 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:19,440 keeps the events going. >> No, but that's that doesn't work. But 251 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:24,880 which temporary pause, >> Mr. I'm sorry to cut you off. Is this 252 00:25:22,159 --> 00:25:26,880 one where it talks about the 3750? Is that the one you're referring to? 253 00:25:26,159 --> 00:25:31,840 » That's right. >> So, can you explain that? 254 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:35,760 » It's it's from your email. >> Which paragraphs? 255 00:25:33,120 --> 00:25:40,720 » This is the last paragraph, page three of your email. Alcohol beverages being 256 00:25:38,799 --> 00:25:45,760 required to obtain an offsite premises wine and beer license of 7750 annual. 257 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:51,120 Yeah, it seems to me that a better category than a tennis brand which 258 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:54,120 charges $500 a design 259 00:25:54,320 --> 00:26:01,600 to the benefit as opposed to 260 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:12,200 businesses not exact classification as 261 00:26:07,039 --> 00:26:12,200 an offsite premises wide theoriz 262 00:26:13,360 --> 00:26:15,840 each vendor 263 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:22,720 It's it's in your business license tax code. 264 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:27,600 » Can Can we, Mr. Bowling, are we able to on that subject? 265 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:31,679 That may be what we did. Can we go with what we already have? What what they 266 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:37,520 already have to do? >> We've already paid the $50 per event 267 00:26:35,039 --> 00:26:41,440 for the to be the nonprofit sponsorship of the event. So, non 268 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:44,720 » Well, then that that sounds okay to me. That's what council wants to do. that's 269 00:26:43,360 --> 00:26:48,400 already been paid, checks been cashed. That was done back in uh May. 270 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:53,440 » But but there is still an issue of what you want to do about the there's a 271 00:26:51,120 --> 00:26:57,679 separate issue of these independent vendors because 272 00:26:55,520 --> 00:27:01,919 town chamber is not getting the money for sickness. Okay. They're they're 273 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:06,799 they're umbrella type cover for them, but 274 00:27:05,120 --> 00:27:10,720 they're not collecting the money. There is a specific exemption in the chain. 275 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:14,799 We're going to collect all the money and then it could have the exemption and 276 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:19,200 then it could disperse the money back to the vendors. But there isn't a specific 277 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:22,400 exemption what you're talking about. >> But can we pause that enforcement as 278 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:25,039 laid out in point three to pause enforcement of itinerate license for non 279 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:29,679 vendors >> but see I don't I don't think that 280 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:34,720 vendors authority is the proper classification what's going on 281 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:39,679 classification in your business license tax. So should we cross out itenerate 282 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:45,640 license and write in? >> Well, I don't know things tonight. 283 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:55,919 Put everything off as far as just time out and then make your decisions later 284 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:59,760 when you've had time. >> That that is that was our plan. That's 285 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:03,520 what we essentially voted on last time, but we just said continue as we have 286 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:08,720 been instead of pausing enforcement. And Mr. And correct me if I get this wrong, 287 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:12,559 which I'm apt to do. >> Oh, damn. 288 00:28:09,679 --> 00:28:19,440 » With the ability on this particular point three here, if we simply pause 289 00:28:17,279 --> 00:28:23,360 and we are off on that front, >> I don't know what 3 is sir. 290 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:29,960 » 3 is about what you just talked about >> the business. 291 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:29,960 I haven't seen what your 292 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:37,520 stuff. I think I knew that my pearl and your pearl 293 00:28:35,039 --> 00:28:42,320 stop would be concerned about 294 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:48,880 wheels from the rest. >> No, that's correct. We're simply trying 295 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:57,039 to on this particular point if we pause from making any further collection 296 00:28:54,399 --> 00:29:02,880 we consider after these events on what we're going to do in 2027. Is that 297 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:07,120 acceptable with this particular issue that we just talked about? 298 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:11,919 » I think I've said in my emails to >> it's acceptable. 299 00:29:08,159 --> 00:29:16,799 » It's acceptable for 2026 to address the issue to figure out exactly. 300 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:19,840 » Perfect. But you need you need to come back and make a decision how you want to 301 00:29:19,039 --> 00:29:24,559 handle it. >> Absolutely. That's correct. where we 302 00:29:22,799 --> 00:29:27,120 have been in a situation where we've miscommunicated and we're trying to sort 303 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:31,279 out in a way >> and the reason for that is not that I 304 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:35,760 mean chamber does a great thing by having these these events here. 305 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:39,520 » Yeah. With no vendors it would be pretty bad I think. 306 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:44,080 » Yeah. It's benefit for the town and town citizens and the businesses there but 307 00:29:42,159 --> 00:29:47,720 you have to treat everybody the same and that's what I'm concerned 308 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:53,440 as far as tax go >> is it? Yes. And and the other thing I'm 309 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:57,919 concerned about I want to say this is that there's there's some rules in 310 00:29:55,279 --> 00:30:03,760 interpreting all this stuff and as far as exemptions go if if exemptions from 311 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:08,880 taxation are strictly construed rule is everybody pays taxes and if the general 312 00:30:06,159 --> 00:30:15,200 assembly had wanted a blanket total exemption for 313 00:30:11,279 --> 00:30:20,799 sales farm farm markets or farmers vendor farmer things would have said so 314 00:30:18,159 --> 00:30:25,320 didn't say that $2500 these notions that you're on call 315 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:34,760 with the farmers market and has nothing to do 316 00:30:30,159 --> 00:30:34,760 » not the canal basing 317 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,720 is to keep moving into the farmers market. We want you at the Canal Basin. 318 00:30:37,919 --> 00:30:44,399 That's what they say. >> Well, is this with Canal Bas you're now 319 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:47,679 talking about, right? >> Yes. 320 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:50,240 » A wine festival and food concert >> and a free concert. 321 00:30:49,039 --> 00:30:54,320 » Food trucks. >> Food trucks. 322 00:30:51,039 --> 00:30:57,600 » Food trucks and some snow cones and you know that kind of thing. And I think I 323 00:30:55,840 --> 00:31:02,559 just heard you say, sir, >> those are not itinerant 324 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:06,880 » merchants under the code. They can be looked at differently. So we shouldn't 325 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:12,320 even be saying that they owe whatever for itinerate. 326 00:31:08,799 --> 00:31:15,600 » Well, it gets complicated business saying I kind of hate to say the word 327 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:18,399 it's complicated. >> It is. Yes. 328 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:22,480 » Yes. For business taxes. There's a science 329 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:28,240 problem. if they're if if food trucks are are 330 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:34,000 selling um here, there, and everywhere, but they tax a business license at let's 331 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:37,840 say Gman County or Buckingham County or Savannah County or Outlaw County or 332 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:43,679 wherever it is, maybe you got a size problem, which is a separate 333 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:46,240 separate deal. So, I'm concerned about that problem, 334 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:50,159 too. >> You don't think they're paying that? 335 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,640 » I don't know what they're doing. >> Okay. 336 00:31:51,679 --> 00:31:56,159 I mean >> they are just going rogue. 337 00:31:54,159 --> 00:31:59,519 » I kind of everybody feels probably the same way about taxes that I do. I 338 00:31:57,919 --> 00:32:01,760 haven't found anybody that likes to pay taxes. 339 00:32:00,399 --> 00:32:07,600 » Sure. >> I think we're further from a decision 340 00:32:04,159 --> 00:32:13,360 because it's not clear if we can do what we want to do. I think you're saying 341 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:18,559 yes, put it on pause. Figure out what you're going to do for 27. But then you 342 00:32:15,919 --> 00:32:22,240 start talking again about the >> Can you figure out what you want to do? 343 00:32:20,399 --> 00:32:26,480 We want we want to do >> what we want to do is stop getting 344 00:32:23,679 --> 00:32:28,559 letters and enforcement notices from the town that are going to scare away 345 00:32:27,679 --> 00:32:32,720 vendors from being at >> events 346 00:32:30,159 --> 00:32:39,080 on on the enforcement of the meals tax and 347 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:39,080 business license tax 348 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:54,360 » for the remainder of 2026 to give you time to figure out what you want to do. 349 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:54,360 Can that be put in writing vote on that? 350 00:32:57,679 --> 00:33:04,960 » Why are there more steps being added to that? That seems like with So, so if we 351 00:33:02,399 --> 00:33:09,679 make a motion and someone names those four specific events sponsored by the 352 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:13,200 chamber and only those four then 353 00:33:12,799 --> 00:33:17,840 » is >> and it covers the which I don't even 354 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:21,120 think the the business license is an itinerary. I think you it's being 355 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:28,519 mclassified if they call it itinerate but 356 00:33:23,039 --> 00:33:28,519 » it's those four events and then 357 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:39,159 the motion is to suspend >> the enforcement of 358 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:39,159 meals tax which includes 359 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:48,320 alcohol and prepared meals food 360 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:53,399 and the business license collection. That would cover it. Am I 361 00:33:50,399 --> 00:33:53,399 » No. 362 00:33:56,080 --> 00:34:06,880 Facts decide exactly what to do. >> Yes. And and and and I would I would say 363 00:34:01,919 --> 00:34:09,919 also if um we we're not waiting till Christmas. Uh we need to start in on 364 00:34:08,879 --> 00:34:15,200 that work session. >> Yes. uh to unravel that and rewrite 365 00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:17,599 tweak the code because I know that there are deadlines that already start in the 366 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,079 fall. >> Yeah. 367 00:34:18,399 --> 00:34:23,919 » So we don't and we don't want >> concerned it's got to be turned in 368 00:34:21,359 --> 00:34:26,240 before as a mot to the state before December. 369 00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:32,079 » Worst thing of all for a business is uncertainty. So we need to remove that 370 00:34:28,879 --> 00:34:35,280 and and and press. >> All right. I've said it all. I'm upset. 371 00:34:34,399 --> 00:34:39,879 » You have. >> So y'all y'all y'all make the motion. 372 00:34:41,119 --> 00:34:49,599 questions here and um so council determines that alcohol 373 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:55,119 should not be subject to the Scottsville mules tax and Virginia law authorizes 374 00:34:52,399 --> 00:34:59,359 that policy um then council it's my understanding can amend the ordinance 375 00:34:56,879 --> 00:35:03,680 and I will administer the ordinance council adopts 376 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:09,440 um but my concern is procedural and fudiciary as the treasurer I should not 377 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:15,680 decide administr stratedly the tax imposed by the existing town code will 378 00:35:11,599 --> 00:35:21,680 no longer be collected nor Elizabeth let me just interrupt you you wouldn't be we 379 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:28,720 last one of the difficulties we faced last time was when we as a 380 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:34,560 council made a resolution and I say this nicely there was a letter sent that 381 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:41,520 miscommunicated what this council did to the town and that letter once caused 382 00:35:38,720 --> 00:35:48,079 much misunderstanding. And right now, as a council, we again are simply saying 383 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:51,839 that we're going to suspend what 384 00:35:49,599 --> 00:35:55,760 would normally take place. And again, I I'm not trying to look backwards. I'd 385 00:35:53,520 --> 00:36:00,560 like to look forwards. And I'm simply encouraging you to do the same thing. 386 00:35:57,839 --> 00:36:04,960 » I understand that and I appreciate that. But 387 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:10,760 I would like town council. >> How about So noted. Excuse me. 388 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,760 » Hi. 389 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:19,119 » I I would like to ask or direct town council or ask town council to direct 390 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:23,520 the town attorney to determine and provide in writing the statutory 391 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:28,800 authority available to the town of Scottsville to exempt alcohol beverages 392 00:36:26,720 --> 00:36:31,680 or whatever the terminology is to put on. 393 00:36:29,359 --> 00:36:37,280 » Okay. So, you're asking us to do this? >> Talking please. I'm just trying to 394 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:44,880 figure out where you're going with this. >> I am asking you all to ask the attorney 395 00:36:42,079 --> 00:36:49,200 to provide you writing with statuto authority to say that that we're going 396 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:52,640 to put the collection on hold >> and you're going to decide about 397 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:58,400 » stop talking. >> No, I can talk when I want to. Do you 398 00:36:55,440 --> 00:37:02,560 realize who you are in this scenario? >> I do. 399 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:08,560 » You work for us. I don't understand what your attitude is about. You want us to 400 00:37:05,359 --> 00:37:15,200 prove that our wishes and what we're asking of you is completely under 401 00:37:12,720 --> 00:37:19,200 whatever you need it to be. >> Yes. 402 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:25,200 » An oath to for the treasury here to be the treasurer to do to uphold the state 403 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:29,599 law and the regulations. Okay. Whether you think it's important or not. So 404 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:37,599 whatever we decide you are going to decide again is that someone asks the 405 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:42,079 attorney to provide in in writing to me so I know that I'm doing the correct and 406 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:45,520 proper thing. Oh my god, we've all been writing 407 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:50,640 » the town council bastard of its own affairs and if he can direct the town 408 00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:56,640 administrator to temporarily cause enforcement of meals tax and business 409 00:37:53,359 --> 00:38:01,920 license tax ordinance and deliberate further deliberation town 410 00:37:59,599 --> 00:38:07,440 councs to do going forward. 411 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:12,480 » I I move I move that what Mr. What Mr. Bowling just said 412 00:38:10,240 --> 00:38:15,440 » what Mr. Bowling Elizabeth, excuse me. What Mr. Bowling just said. That is my 413 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:18,320 motion. >> That's my motion. Do I have any seconds? 414 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:22,560 » Second. >> Sorry. 415 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,240 » I thought that's what we did last week. >> We did. 416 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:29,920 » We did. >> Except for decided to over 417 00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:33,599 » except except for at the very end we were talking about the questions that I 418 00:38:31,599 --> 00:38:36,720 wanted to ask Mr. Bolan and I said, "Oh, that's a great idea. Why don't we get 419 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:41,680 those questions answered?" And so you just moved on it anyway. 420 00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:48,640 » I have it, you know, it's recorded so many minutes into it. Then you say, I 421 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:55,440 think um at one minute and 8 seconds into it, you say, I think we should um 422 00:38:52,079 --> 00:38:59,119 go by what pending Mr. Bowling's responses. 423 00:38:56,160 --> 00:39:04,560 » And we just heard what that is. >> Well, I've we've also seen the emails 424 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:09,160 that where Mr. Bowling has changed his mind. has not several different 425 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:16,320 email that I provide Mr. Mayor was copied this way. 426 00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:21,599 » I I will just say this again. My intention is not to throw stones at the 427 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:25,920 past simply to resolve the problem. We may disagree about some things. I'm 428 00:39:23,599 --> 00:39:31,440 appreciative of of your job as the town administrator. I disagree with you on 429 00:39:28,240 --> 00:39:38,000 this issue and I disagree too strongly, but I respect your position. So that 430 00:39:33,599 --> 00:39:44,800 said, I would like to see us vote again to affirm what Mr. Bowling just said. He 431 00:39:41,599 --> 00:39:48,000 articulated well what we needed and I think James that what he said I think 432 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:51,119 implies also with what you're looking for. Correct. We missed something. 433 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:54,880 » The only thing I'm worried about is that we're going to get a letter at 4:00 this 434 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:59,760 next Friday's on the connect. >> If if you get a letter if you get a 435 00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:03,760 letter that will be in violation of what happened here. And to me, if there's a 436 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:06,960 violation like that, >> there has been 437 00:40:04,720 --> 00:40:13,599 » if if there's a violation like that out on the public record, to me that is a 438 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:19,200 that is something that is somebody's violating their oath. I'll just say it 439 00:40:15,359 --> 00:40:23,359 that way. And and so in in that sense, if if there's threats, it wouldn't make 440 00:40:21,839 --> 00:40:27,839 any sense. I mean, it's clear what the council wants. It's clear what the 441 00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:32,480 council wants. And we have a town administrator willing to abide what our 442 00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:39,400 town attorneys just said. >> Could the town clerk state the motion 443 00:40:35,839 --> 00:40:39,400 that was made? 444 00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:51,040 » We need the motion. >> Rewind the video. The motion on the 445 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:57,200 floor, as I understand it, was to suspend the collection of meals tax, 446 00:40:54,480 --> 00:41:03,440 which is foods, beverages, including alcohol for the four remaining 447 00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:07,040 events, the ch for the chamber of commerce 448 00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:15,200 is collectively holding until the end of the year. Is that correct? and business 449 00:41:09,839 --> 00:41:17,680 until county councils had a chance to go fully 450 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:20,960 » but those four events especially >> and business tax too 451 00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:24,480 » so business and okay >> and I'm going to add one thing to that 452 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:30,040 is that that there will be no communication from staff to 453 00:41:31,599 --> 00:41:38,400 » further communication >> should the motion 454 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:41,119 have in it that the council directs the have a treasurer to suspend. 455 00:41:40,720 --> 00:41:43,920 » Yes. >> Enforcement. 456 00:41:41,839 --> 00:41:47,760 » That is the word that I would choose. Okay. 457 00:41:45,839 --> 00:41:49,680 » All right. Does everyone understand a motion on the table? 458 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,079 » Yes. >> Yes. Wonderful. 459 00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:55,359 » It's been seconded. >> It's been first and seconded. May I call 460 00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:58,640 rolling? >> Yes. 461 00:41:55,920 --> 00:42:01,119 » You want to open public comment for >> public comment? Do you want to open 462 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:04,079 public comment? >> Mr. Good idea. 463 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:08,079 » Do you want to open public comment because it's on the agenda? 464 00:42:06,240 --> 00:42:14,079 publication to comment on this one way or the other. 465 00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:18,680 » Yes, sir. >> I'd like to Alex, 466 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:32,240 Mr. >> Yes. I I caution everyone in here to 467 00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:39,359 make sure that this is communicated clearly so our restaurants and bars 468 00:42:36,720 --> 00:42:46,000 don't get any confusion in this process because events 469 00:42:42,720 --> 00:42:51,680 and it's specifically to the panel bas square and or I guess 470 00:42:49,839 --> 00:42:56,319 farmers market wherever it's >> it's all it's all 471 00:42:53,280 --> 00:43:01,040 » okay because otherwise it's going to be interpreted and miscon 472 00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:04,079 » confused. Whatever. And misconstrued. >> Yeah. 473 00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:06,880 » So, please everybody make sure they say it. 474 00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:12,960 » Will you make sure you tell everybody? >> I definitely will. But I had I've had a 475 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:16,720 major restaurant tour asking me questions today that I'm sure 476 00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:19,200 » they're already confused and frustrated. >> Are you still confused? 477 00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:25,280 » No, I'm not. >> Okay. I wasn't. I wasn't going to, but I 478 00:43:23,119 --> 00:43:29,119 want to make sure the communications in the town are 479 00:43:27,359 --> 00:43:35,680 » and I'm glad to make communications about this, but maybe as a 480 00:43:32,720 --> 00:43:40,079 uh business in this town, you could talk to people and let them know that we're 481 00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:43,440 doing everything we can to make sure >> the right thing 482 00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:47,680 » and have no problem with anything said at all. Matter of how it dissipates 483 00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:50,079 after it leaves this room. >> Yeah. 484 00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:55,280 » Thank you. So, now we got >> So, so now I like to get confusion out 485 00:43:52,160 --> 00:44:01,440 in the taken care of. If you have a brick and mortar place and you running a 486 00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:04,319 booth at the at the U at the Canal Basin Square 487 00:44:02,319 --> 00:44:08,000 » for your sales at the Canal Basin Square, would those be 488 00:44:06,240 --> 00:44:11,040 » free from taxes? And I'll pick on the brewery because I know they support 489 00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:15,920 everything. >> So, so would they would they be exempt 490 00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:19,119 on those sales? And I imagine it probably more difficult. I don't know 491 00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:22,480 how they run their business, but they even separate it out. So, just go ahead 492 00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:26,960 and collect it anyways and roll it in under. 493 00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:32,480 » Yeah, I can also add to that for the September and October Fridays on the 494 00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:37,119 Canal events, all the food vendors are town vendors, Red Rose Club, Mr. Z's 495 00:44:34,720 --> 00:44:40,240 Barbecue, Love & Oven, and we'll all be collecting meal stacks because that's 496 00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:44,800 part of our normal, like we're not going to turn it off for that event and 497 00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:49,839 confuse patrons in town. The brewery has said they'll do the same. Okay. Um, this 498 00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:54,000 really applies to the two alcohol vendors that come in. 499 00:44:51,119 --> 00:44:58,640 » All right. So, so not even any lost revenue problems. Okay. 500 00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:01,280 » Okay. >> I'm out. Thank you. 501 00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:05,359 » Alan, >> I'm I'm just going to say 502 00:45:03,839 --> 00:45:11,200 that between Mr. Walker, Mr. Gretzkco, a 503 00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:18,720 solution's been arrived at. Vote for the solution. We can all go home. 504 00:45:15,839 --> 00:45:22,560 I know these guys, >> you know, the comments. I just want to 505 00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:25,599 clarify that because we're starting to talk about meals tack and bricks and 506 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:31,760 mortar and all that kind of stuff. Just want to clarify that the confusion has 507 00:45:28,240 --> 00:45:36,319 been and still is about alcohol being served without food. 508 00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:41,680 All right? So, it's separate than the food trucks. So, it's a very narrow 509 00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:47,920 request we're having here is how we're treating alcohol that is served without 510 00:45:44,319 --> 00:45:51,920 food. And the motion as it stands is a great motion. I don't need need you to 511 00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:56,160 change it. I just need you to understand that it sounds to me like it's 512 00:45:54,640 --> 00:46:00,880 encompassing a little more than what we're originally came for. It might be 513 00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:07,520 creating some confusion. The biggest concern 514 00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:14,560 is alcohol vendors set up at these events under the umbrella of the chamber 515 00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:19,280 selling glasses of alcohol, not bottles, not factory sealed, just 516 00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:25,200 glasses, >> no food involved. Now I will add you 517 00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:30,640 can't you can't confuse this because these alcohol vendors are licensed by 518 00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:35,280 ABC only to sell alcohol. We don't have three basics. We don't have hand 519 00:46:32,720 --> 00:46:40,960 stations. We have none of the VDAX requirements that require food that are 520 00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:46,079 required under food. It is specifically a glass of beer or a glass of wine that 521 00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:54,319 we're talking about. What we're talking about is pennies of African tax dollars. 522 00:46:50,960 --> 00:47:00,720 We're talking about losing thousands of dollars of business in this town because 523 00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:10,800 of pennies of tax dollars because of interpretation of an ambiguous code. It 524 00:47:05,119 --> 00:47:17,599 is very simple at this moment to pause enforcement of the tax code as it 525 00:47:14,079 --> 00:47:22,640 pertains to alcohol vendors at these events. 526 00:47:20,079 --> 00:47:27,040 Then, and I'm sure we were going to get to this, but I got to go to bed sometime 527 00:47:24,720 --> 00:47:33,839 soon. Then I think it would be beneficial, 528 00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:37,920 have town council, members of the council, 529 00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:40,800 legally if you wanted and a member of the public and I think this is important 530 00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:45,920 because a member of public can be your brick and mort 531 00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:50,560 form a committee, review the code line by line, word by word, punctuation by 532 00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:54,319 punctuation, and clarify all this nonsense at once. 533 00:47:52,880 --> 00:48:00,240 But that's going to take you months and multiple meetings. We don't have time 534 00:47:56,160 --> 00:48:07,359 for that. So, if we will just pause the enforcement of alcohol taxes 535 00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:13,280 at these events for the remainder 26, we are done. And then you guys can set the 536 00:48:10,319 --> 00:48:15,599 set the committee up later. That's all. 537 00:48:14,319 --> 00:48:20,880 » Thank you. >> Thank you. Um, 538 00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:25,040 just kind of writing on the cotales of Mr. Boyce. 539 00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:29,839 The scope is a mess. I don't know if you've since all of this happened, if 540 00:48:27,359 --> 00:48:34,480 you've read the code, the code is a mess. But just to reiterate because I 541 00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:41,119 have it here in front of me, what Mr. Boyce was saying, 542 00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:46,640 this is under um 78-117 of the code. meals. 543 00:48:44,319 --> 00:48:50,880 Meal means any prepared food or drink offered or held for sale by a food 544 00:48:49,119 --> 00:48:56,000 establishment for the purpose of being consumed by any person to satisfy. I'm 545 00:48:53,839 --> 00:49:00,040 reading from the wrong paragraph, forgive me. Uh 546 00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:08,480 food establishment means any place in or from which food or food products are 547 00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:15,200 prepared, packaged, sold or distributed in the town. So, for example, when Red 548 00:49:12,319 --> 00:49:20,559 Rose Pub is there, if they sell a smash burger and a beer, they are still 549 00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:27,839 collecting tax on that beer. The the vagueness of this code 550 00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:31,599 means that you could look at it that there's 551 00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:36,559 no legal enforcement for collecting tax. Even from the 552 00:49:34,319 --> 00:49:44,520 brewery is a brick and mortar. I I mean th this is set up specifically to say 553 00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:44,520 where food is prepared and served. 554 00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:53,480 » Any others? >> Well, it's been duly discussed 555 00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:53,480 second. 556 00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:04,640 I think if we go with this and this might not have but if somebody's paid uh 557 00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:09,040 taxes you know voluntarily 558 00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:13,839 I just think from this and the sake for a fair use so they should be reimbured 559 00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:16,400 and and not I just don't think it's fair they pay taxes they're not getting their 560 00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:19,440 money back >> even if they're doing it voluntary 561 00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:26,319 unless you give something in writing say we voluntarily give our money to do this 562 00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:30,160 » can I just chime in so the one vendor that was referred referred to for May 563 00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:34,400 that collected meal staff because they charged the customer. They can't get 564 00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:38,000 reimbursed and they're fine with that. And I think they're the only person 565 00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:41,119 right now that >> just 566 00:50:38,720 --> 00:50:44,079 » Yes. Yeah. And they are totally fine with it. There's no confusion. 567 00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:48,559 » I just don't want to >> Yeah. I just wanted to coincide with 568 00:50:45,839 --> 00:50:54,720 that. The the customer has paid that tax. The merchant is not any worse off 569 00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:57,599 for having paid that. It has to pass along tax. 570 00:50:55,920 --> 00:51:01,119 » I think so. Shouldn't be any refund. >> I think to all of these points, it's a 571 00:50:59,119 --> 00:51:03,599 complicated issue and that's why we're making this motion so we can discuss it 572 00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:05,760 in the future. Okay. >> Yeah. So, 573 00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:10,319 » and do the right thing. >> Call for the vote ask. 574 00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:15,880 I just want to just I just want to make sure everybody 575 00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,880 are you doing with 576 00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:22,000 call. >> Okay. 577 00:51:19,839 --> 00:51:24,480 » I'm asking the clerk to call the vote. Everybody else be quiet. 578 00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:27,839 » Yes, sir. >> Okay. 579 00:51:26,240 --> 00:51:30,160 Molly Anton, >> yes, please. 580 00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:31,760 » Alex Vet, >> yes. 581 00:51:30,559 --> 00:51:33,280 » Danny Gitsco, >> yes. 582 00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,880 » Bill Heen, >> yes. 583 00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,559 » Walter Townsen, >> yes. 584 00:51:35,359 --> 00:51:39,040 » And Roger Whitley, >> yes. 585 00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:42,480 » Okay, >> we're unanimous. 586 00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:48,359 » All right. Well, that's it. Thank everybody for their participation. 587 00:51:44,559 --> 00:51:48,359 » Thank you for your time, everybody. 588 00:51:53,599 --> 00:51:56,599 difficult 589 00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,559 right now.