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>> Y

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the September 2025 meeting of the city

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of Scranton Zoning Hearing Board will

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now come to order. Will the zoning

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officer please take role?

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Mr. McDermott

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>> here.

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>> Mr. Morris

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>> here.

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>> Mr. Walsh

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>> here.

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>> Mr. Welby

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>> here.

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>> Mr. Matty Evage

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>> here.

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>> Please stand for the pledge of

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allegiance.

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I

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>> pledge allegiance to the flag

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of America to the republic for which it

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stands. One nation under God,

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indivisible, liberty and justice for

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all.

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>> Mr. Mr. Chairman, before you start, may

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I ask for a moment of silence for all

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the victims of 911, which is the 25th

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anniversary tomorrow?

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>> Sure. Sure.

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» Thank you, sir.

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» In accordance with the Pennsylvania

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State Sunshine Law, this board shall

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render its decision on each case either

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at the end of each hearing or within 45

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days of a hearing. If you are here to

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give testimony in the case, please come

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to the podium, raise your right hand,

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and wait to be sworn in. After being

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sworn in, state your name and address,

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and then proceed with your testimony.

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Also, anyone given testimony does not

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become a party to the case may obtain a

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written decision from the zoning office.

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I also have two announcements of law. If

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you are granted a variance or a special

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exception, you must wait 30 days from

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the date of our decision to obtain

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necessary permits to start work.

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However, you may obtain permits sooner

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by signing a waiver that any work done

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during that 30-day period is at your own

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risk. A favorable decision by this board

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shall expire 12 months from the date of

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set authorization in accordance with the

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article 10.3C of the zoning ordinance.

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If you fail to obtain necessary permits

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or do not comply with any or all

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conditions of set authorization, you

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must seek an extension. Is there any

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remarks from the board?

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» Mr. Chen, one

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point of clarification. Can I get a

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>> Can I get a definition of the board?

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uh because I I this is my third meeting

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and there was two previous rulings that

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came back from the courts to the board

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and uh I was unable to participate in

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those deliberations, decisions or any

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votes as I was not here when they first

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went through. But my question first is

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what is the definition of the board?

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Because the court remanded those back to

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the board. So, if I am an appointee for

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a five-year term by city council to the

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zoning hearing board, then based on that

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definition, I believe that I should be

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able to participate in those

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deliberations decisions if I was

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provided uh through the synographer, the

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agenda, all of the minutes, all of the

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previous testimony from those those

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actions. That's that's one thing. and the the the point of clarification

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of why I'm asking that is the one that

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came uh to the board uh for the uh July

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meeting which was the end of July was

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appointed uh two weeks before that

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yourself and and Mr. Gatens was also

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appointed to the board for renewals.

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If you were not reappointed and if Mr.

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Gatens was not reappointed, there would

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have only been one person that would

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have been able to vote on that thing,

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which would have been Mr. McDermott. So

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my question is, when it comes back from

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the court, it says the board. If the

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court does not specifically say the

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board that was present at the time the

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original uh I'm not a lawyer that the

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decision was taken is the one that

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that's remanded to. But I I'm thinking

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that as a member of the board, if I had

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all of the testimony, I believe that I

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should be able to participate in those

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discussions and deliberations. And I'm

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just asking that as a as a question.

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>> Uh Dan, you want to elaborate on that,

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please?

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>> There there were two different remands

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from the court. One was remanded for a

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new hearing which you would be able to

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participate in. The second one was

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remanded for a clarification on the

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zoning ordinance in effect at the time

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the property was supposedly

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changed to a uh multifamily.

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That was that was nothing that the board

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could vote on anyway. It was something

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that we just had to to clarify. I'm

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sorry to clarify and then send it to the

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court. So,

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>> so if it comes back from the court for

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the board to render the decision, any

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member of the board can vote on it. Not

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>> it it depends on how it came back.

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>> How it came back from the court.

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>> Right. Okay.

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>> And one other point of housekeeping. Uh

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I know that uh you ask in in when you

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open up these meetings that the uh

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zoning officer goes and posts all of the properties and they go around to the

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different telephone polls and they post

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those yellow signs on them. Is there any

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way that we could ask code enforcement,

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they're driving through the

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neighborhoods, that when this meeting is

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over, that when they ride by those polls

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and see those signs on them, for them to

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remove them because I I know there are

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people that used to go through the

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neighborhoods to take all the signs,

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Lucy buys houses, diabetic strips off

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the telephone polls. And you know,

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there's people like to keep their

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neighborhoods clean. And if they could

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get those, we can get those off, you

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know, you know, that would be nice. So,

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if you can just ask the code enforcement

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to do that,

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>> I I I would more than happily do that

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for you. That's no problem.

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>> That way, we keep the neighborhoods nice

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and clean, you know, that's just some housekeeping, you know.

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>> Absolutely. Matter of fact, the next day

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I I could go on. I I'll personally do

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that. That's no problem.

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>> Appreciate. You know, that'd be a nice

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>> Uh Chad, uh the testment and

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verification of the postings, please.

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>> Yes, sir. They're posted. Okay. Thank

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you. Uh I believe uh is it case number

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three? That's

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>> case number three.

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three, which is that Yol Weiss uh 1021

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Monroe, that has been continued till

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next month.

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That's the only one, right, Chad? Right

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now? That's correct. Yes.

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>> Okay. Um can we call the first case,

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>> Absolutely. Case number one is Ruvian

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Handlesman who seeks variance to

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construct 14 townhouse units at 1501 Far

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Street, the intersection of Far Street

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and North Sum Avenue in R10 zone.

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and town houses are allowed. They have

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the parking. They have the setbacks, but

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there's only eight town houses that will

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be allowed without coming here. So

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they're asking for relief to increase

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over the eight.

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>> Is anybody here for that case? Is the Is

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the gentleman here that's doing the town

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houses on Far Street here?

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» Do you want to put that towards

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>> We'll put we'll put that at the end to

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the end. Okay.

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>> And also I think uh Mr. Evans said that

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the uh number two guy Tori Weaver was

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headed here from Jersey and may not make

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it in time. So, we're going to put that

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>> Oh, we made it. Okay.

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>> Okay. Can we call number two, please?

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>> Didn't didn't know you were here.

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Case number two is a Tory Weaver who

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seeks a variance to operate a seven room

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boarding home for traveling healthcare

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workers, medical students, interns,

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contractors, and other professionals

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temporary working or training in the

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Scranton area at 1010 Monroe Avenue in

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R10 zone.

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>> Can you state your name and spell it for

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me for the record?

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>> Tori Weaver. Uh, T O R Y. Last name

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Weaver. We wa V is in Victor. E R.

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» You may proceed. Um, so I'm just, um, I

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currently own a property on, uh, Monroe

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Avenue in Scranton, 10 Monroe Avenue.

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Um, it is a, um, single family property.

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Um, I'm currently operating it as a um

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furnish rental for travel professionals,

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um nurses, [clears throat] um sometimes

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I have um interns that may work in in uh

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you know around the area. So, right now

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I'm it's seven bedrooms. Um I got a

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notice.

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>> Sir, excuse me one. You want to pull

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that microphone up a little bit closer

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and just speak up a little bit louder.

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>> Okay. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

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>> Thank you. So, I I got a notice a couple

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months ago to um stop operating the

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property um as it as it you know

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existing. So, um it said that I couldn't

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rent out more than four bedrooms to uh

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unknown uh um or unrelated individuals.

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So, um I was advised to apply for um

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apply to the the zoning board to come

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here and and see if I can um ask for

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permission to rent out to seven seven uh

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bedrooms.

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Just for the record, um, a shortterm

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rental in an R10

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zone needs a special exception if it's

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an accessory use to Mr. Weaver living at

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the property, but you don't live at the

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property full-time.

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>> No, I don't live at the property. Um, I

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also don't rent under under 30 days. I

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know that short-term is considered 30

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days or less. So therefore we are

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hearing this as a variance

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>> and attorney peneter that's a variance

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for a boarding home according to the

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agenda.

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>> It's a variance for a

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>> boarding home seven room not a

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short-term rental. Short-term rentals is

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an Airbnb short-term.

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>> This is a boarding home.

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>> Short-term rental for seven people. Yep.

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>> Okay.

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I just want to add that these are not

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like um just regular tenants. They're coming from out of state. They

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stay on um three-month contracts most of

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the time. Some some will extend uh

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further than that. Um I do have uh

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copies of my leases right here. So, you

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could I do background checks for them.

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Um the state also does a background

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check that I that I um that I request or

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require before I actually um would allow

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someone to rent.

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Uh Dan with with seven unrelated people

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uh but what would be the parking

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requirements for that?

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>> Seven spots.

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And how many spots do you

279
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have sir?

280
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>> So I I have four uh spots right now, but

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I don't these most of the time they come

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when they come in the area they they

283
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don't have vehicles. So right now like I

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said I have um I have six people in the

285
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property right now and only three of

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them have vehicles. So, but I have four

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spots. I've never had more than uh four vehicles at the

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>> vehicles are not Dan. They still need

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seven, right?

290
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>> He needs to have seven spots.

291
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>> Correct.

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>> And you said this uh home was was

293
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previously a single family home. Always

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was a single family.

295
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>> Yes.

296
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>> Okay.

297
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And you're saying that you wanted for

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traveling doctors and nurses and

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students and interns and contractors.

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>> Yes, that's all I

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>> just to uh

302
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>> stop you if you were get a positive uh

303
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vote from this board to turn it into a

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home for anyone, not nurses and doctors

305
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and students, and just have it a

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boarding home like they have u in other

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areas of the city and charge them $100 a

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week to live there. $500 a month. you

309
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know, people who don't have cars are

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just

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moved into the area and looking for

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places. You know, what's the

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>> I'm sure Mr. Reaver's intention is good,

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but we can't limit it to a certain class

315
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of people that he could run to.

316
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>> Okay.

317
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>> I'm just asking because it's just the

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way that the uh application was written.

319
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I was listed for medical students,

320
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workers, interns, contractors, other

321
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professionals. So, I figured I could ask

322
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that uh question. I mean, if if I'm I'm

323
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the I'm renting it out. So, if I don't

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rent to I don't have to rent to uh the

325
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regular, you know, uh tenant. That's

326
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what I choose to do. I mean, I don't you

327
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know, I'm not trying to run a that type

328
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of I live out of state. I manage this

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myself, so I don't want the headache. Um

330
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you know, I've I've dealt with um you

331
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know, certain types of tenants, and you

332
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know, I keep the property up. Um like I

333
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said, I manage it myself. Um, I have

334
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someone local that that also um can

335
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respond um if necessary.

336
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» Thank you. No more questions.

337
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>> Anyone else?

338
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>> I I just have a few questions. The uh

339
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you said you have parking for four cars

340
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and the rear the lot is 40 ft wide

341
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and uh four cars you're talking uh 36

342
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ft. So that leaves four feet to get in

343
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and out of cars. you're you're more or

344
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less jamming four vehicles in that spot

345
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>> for your off streetet parking right now.

346
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>> And then uh just to get uh for the

347
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property

348
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>> on the assessment records, it's showing

349
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uh three bedrooms

350
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and uh the latest assessment, three

351
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bedrooms and you're going not seven,

352
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you're going eight, counting yourself

353
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when you're there at times. So there's

354
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eight bedrooms in the house. they have

355
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down three. And as far as full baths,

356
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it's listed as one. On your plans,

357
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you're showing three full baths.

358
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>> And uh

359
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>> I'm not sure I'm not sure what um what

360
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you're looking at, but I'm looking at

361
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the assessment.

362
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>> I'm going to say the assessment records

363
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are not always accurate. That's

364
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somebody's somebody's opinion. Whoever

365
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entered that in the computer from the

366
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assessor's office, they're they're not

367
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they have not gotten

368
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looked at the property.

369
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>> Yeah, this is their uh

370
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from uh the other day. They're listed as

371
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a threebedroom single family home.

372
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>> When I when I purchased it, it was it

373
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was six bedrooms, three full bathrooms.

374
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Sure. Well, somebody's with the

375
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assessment wants a lower tax rate by

376
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saying there's one bathroom and three

377
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bedrooms.

378
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But uh besides that, with the

379
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uh boarding house, the uh four unrelated

380
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people, I'm uh I'm very strict on that.

381
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Four unrelated people in one single

382
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family home. Not seven, not eight.

383
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And this is an R10 zone. I know you're

384
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near the University of Scranton.

385
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Anything can change, but as far as uh

386
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anything more than four unrelated

387
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people, I am against.

388
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>> Thank you.

389
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>> Anyone else? You good?

390
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>> You good?

391
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>> Anyone here in the audience wants to

392
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give testimony on this case? Okay. If

393
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you want to step aside, sir, you could

394
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sit there at the at the table if you

395
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want. And uh I would

396
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The testimony you give today will be the

397
00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:57,519
truth. The whole truth.

398
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>> I do.

399
00:16:58,160 --> 00:16:59,680
>> And can you state your name and spell it

400
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for me, please?

401
00:17:00,399 --> 00:17:04,240
>> My name is Sims. S O L A T H A Sims. S I

402
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Ms.

403
00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:10,559
» You may proceed, sir.

404
00:17:10,559 --> 00:17:12,559
>> Yes. So, I've been living in um this my

405
00:17:12,559 --> 00:17:16,400
current address for the past 30 years.

406
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Uh the apartment across the street from

407
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me, I've known them for there was always

408
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a single dwelling there for the last 30

409
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29 years that I've been in this place.

410
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Right now, we have right now on Mono

411
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Avenue, we have two boarding houses

412
00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:36,000
right now. And what's know what's going

413
00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,000
to come next, I don't know. But right

414
00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,000
now, the parking is the main thing.

415
00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,160
What's going on there? If this gentleman

416
00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:44,640
sells his apartment next week, he's

417
00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:46,640
allowed to have it. Who is he going to

418
00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:49,120
let out to? He's written out right now

419
00:17:49,120 --> 00:17:51,440
supposedly the choice medical students,

420
00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:55,039
doctors, um, college students. But how

421
00:17:55,039 --> 00:17:56,080
do we know that's going to last more

422
00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:59,360
than six months?

423
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Another thing I have to say is the

424
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parking is tight already.

425
00:18:03,679 --> 00:18:05,039
Um, I've gone through I don't know if

426
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you get four cars in that parking lot in

427
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the back. I don't think it can from my

428
00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:10,880
observation,

429
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you know, I'm no parking engineer or

430
00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:16,630
whatever, but it's my observation

431
00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:19,520
and and what the with the boarding rooms

432
00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:21,919
that are here already now, it seems like

433
00:18:21,919 --> 00:18:24,240
in Scranton, wherever there's a single

434
00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:25,360
dwelling, the first thing they want to

435
00:18:25,360 --> 00:18:27,440
do is turn it into a boarding house and

436
00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:29,520
make a lot of money renting out to 8, 9,

437
00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:32,480
10, 20 people at a time, not no regard

438
00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:33,679
for the neighborhood they're moving

439
00:18:33,679 --> 00:18:35,360
into.

440
00:18:35,360 --> 00:18:37,280
is a very nice neighborhood at the time,

441
00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:38,240
but I don't know what's going to happen

442
00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:40,320
in six months with this this is this

443
00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:41,840
boarding house across the street from

444
00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:44,320
me. I don't know. Nobody here knows

445
00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:46,799
what's going to happen. You know, the

446
00:18:46,799 --> 00:18:48,960
attorney said, um, you can't make a

447
00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:50,640
judgment on the people, but we can make

448
00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:52,400
a pretty good judgment that it might

449
00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:55,909
change over.

450
00:18:55,919 --> 00:18:57,840
So, I wouldn't be so sure to say you

451
00:18:57,840 --> 00:18:59,200
can't make a judgment on people like

452
00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:00,880
that. we can make a judgment that could

453
00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:06,240
possibly changed to a more I don't want to say trouble

454
00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:08,080
neighborhood, a more scrutinized

455
00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:10,480
neighborhood with the people that might

456
00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,120
move after this. So, I'm here just to

457
00:19:13,120 --> 00:19:16,160
say I hope something's being done. Let's

458
00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:18,720
just stop these automatic turning these

459
00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:20,080
places into boarding houses and

460
00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:21,919
affecting the neighborhoods that live

461
00:19:21,919 --> 00:19:23,919
the neighbors that live here. I live

462
00:19:23,919 --> 00:19:26,160
here as resident all my life. I've went

463
00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:28,160
to grade school, high school, traveled

464
00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:29,919
around the country, been all over the

465
00:19:29,919 --> 00:19:31,360
place. It's been a very nice

466
00:19:31,360 --> 00:19:33,039
neighborhood for the last 30 years, and

467
00:19:33,039 --> 00:19:35,120
I would like for it to stay that way.

468
00:19:35,120 --> 00:19:36,240
That's all I have to say.

469
00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:39,919
>> And then, sir, uh thank you for your testimony. But, uh if you have

470
00:19:39,919 --> 00:19:41,520
other issues on that block that you

471
00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:43,200
think that there's boarding houses on

472
00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,039
that block, you can reach out to this

473
00:19:45,039 --> 00:19:46,559
gentleman, Chad, here, and you can call

474
00:19:46,559 --> 00:19:48,559
the city, and he can he can investigate

475
00:19:48,559 --> 00:19:51,039
that to see if they're legal or or not.

476
00:19:51,039 --> 00:19:51,600
>> Okay.

477
00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:52,240
>> All right.

478
00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:55,440
>> Y M Mr. Sims is right. granting of a

479
00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:58,080
variance goes with the property. So if

480
00:19:58,080 --> 00:19:59,679
Mr. Weaver sells the property to

481
00:19:59,679 --> 00:20:01,679
somebody else, it still goes with the

482
00:20:01,679 --> 00:20:04,400
property. You you were right on that.

483
00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:05,520
Yes.

484
00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:06,559
>> Thank you.

485
00:20:06,559 --> 00:20:07,039
sir.

486
00:20:07,039 --> 00:20:08,400
>> I just I just wanted to ask you, sir,

487
00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:10,640
have you have you had any issues with

488
00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:12,960
>> at at the end you can come up and speak.

489
00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:14,960
All right.

490
00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,520
>> I look for issues any other my point of

491
00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:22,240
view being there 30 years. I don't know.

492
00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:23,520
I haven't really talked to anybody in

493
00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:26,000
that building yet because I don't know

494
00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:29,039
them. I don't know them.

495
00:20:29,039 --> 00:20:30,960
You know, consider medical students,

496
00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,919
whatever, whatever. I don't know that.

497
00:20:33,919 --> 00:20:35,440
All I know is want I want my property

498
00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:37,360
value to remain the same. Boarding

499
00:20:37,360 --> 00:20:40,559
houses, my property values go down. We

500
00:20:40,559 --> 00:20:41,919
all know that. What happens the property

501
00:20:41,919 --> 00:20:45,039
value to a boarding house? They down

502
00:20:45,039 --> 00:20:47,440
automatically. I wasn't there for 30

503
00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:49,760
years for my property go. It's not a

504
00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:51,919
castle, but it's my castle. You

505
00:20:51,919 --> 00:20:53,520
understand?

506
00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:53,840
>> Yes.

507
00:20:53,840 --> 00:21:12,149
>> Thank you.

508
00:21:12,159 --> 00:21:14,880
» I do.

509
00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:19,840
>> It's Lesniaak. That's s h t e r n a.

510
00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:26,880
Last name is z h e l e z n i a k.

511
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:30,000
Um I'm at 1025 Monroe A. Um right next

512
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door to the 1021 which was mentioned

513
00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,320
before. Um

514
00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:36,559
>> second

515
00:21:36,559 --> 00:21:38,080
yours is off too.

516
00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,240
>> Um so I'm right next door to the 1021

517
00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:41,919
Monroe A. I don't I didn't know that

518
00:21:41,919 --> 00:21:44,480
there was a hearing scheduled for that.

519
00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:46,799
Um, so that's a separate note. I would

520
00:21:46,799 --> 00:21:48,640
love to get notified of those hearings.

521
00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:50,320
I didn't see a not I did see the notice

522
00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:52,320
about this one, but I didn't see a

523
00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:55,360
notice about the 1021 one. Um, whenever

524
00:21:55,360 --> 00:21:57,200
it's a short-term rental, and whenever

525
00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:00,000
there's renters there, sometimes they

526
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:03,039
come with multiple cars, um, and block

527
00:22:03,039 --> 00:22:04,640
all our parking spots. They do

528
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:06,320
officially have three parking spots in

529
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:08,640
the back. Um, but they're never used

530
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,240
because it's a lot easier to park in the

531
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,360
front because our backyards are a floor

532
00:22:13,360 --> 00:22:15,520
down. Now, you're across the street, so

533
00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:17,679
you don't have that. But if you look in

534
00:22:17,679 --> 00:22:20,080
the alley, the those parking spots in

535
00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,240
the back are not I don't believe that

536
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,159
there's four there. And even if there

537
00:22:24,159 --> 00:22:26,480
are four, they're not really accessible.

538
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:28,480
Um, and that affects us. If I come home

539
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:30,400
late at night, I want to be able to just

540
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,600
easily park. And

541
00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:37,039
if there are four parking spots there,

542
00:22:37,039 --> 00:22:41,360
how are we to um enforce that they use

543
00:22:41,360 --> 00:22:43,360
those for parking spots instead of the

544
00:22:43,360 --> 00:22:47,000
street parking clock clogging it up? Um,

545
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,720
[clears throat] and yeah, the the

546
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,919
it changes the the neighborhood if there

547
00:22:53,919 --> 00:22:57,039
is short-term rentals versus long-term

548
00:22:57,039 --> 00:23:00,080
homeowners that actually care about the

549
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,840
environment of the neighborhood. Um,

550
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,159
yeah.

551
00:23:06,159 --> 00:23:23,510
>> Thank you.

552
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,159
Yes,

553
00:23:26,159 --> 00:23:30,559
>> sure. It's Joanna Johnson. J O A N A.

554
00:23:30,559 --> 00:23:34,159
Last name is Johnson. J O H N S O N.

555
00:23:34,159 --> 00:23:37,760
10:15 Monroe A.

556
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:39,600
So the boarding house is directly across

557
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,240
from our house and I would say that the

558
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,799
issue started before people even started

559
00:23:44,799 --> 00:23:49,280
to move in because code gave you stop

560
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,679
work orders. But rather than abide by

561
00:23:51,679 --> 00:23:53,840
the code orders, they continued

562
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:55,360
construction on the weekends because

563
00:23:55,360 --> 00:23:56,799
code enforcement wasn't around on the

564
00:23:56,799 --> 00:23:58,159
weekends. So that's when the issue

565
00:23:58,159 --> 00:24:00,320
started. There are only three parking

566
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,480
spots behind the building. Not four,

567
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,400
there are three. And they're super tight

568
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,400
spots. There's a wooden handrail that's

569
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:07,760
going to prevent somebody from parking

570
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:09,200
there regardless. So, technically,

571
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,840
there's really only two usable spots.

572
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:15,039
>> There are 23 houses on our block. Out of

573
00:24:15,039 --> 00:24:17,360
23 houses, eight of them have small

574
00:24:17,360 --> 00:24:19,600
children that live there or frequent

575
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:21,679
there, such as my grandchildren, my

576
00:24:21,679 --> 00:24:22,720
across the street neighbors

577
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,440
grandchildren. So the transient nature

578
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,039
of a boarding house in the middle of a

579
00:24:27,039 --> 00:24:28,640
residential neighborhood is just not a

580
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,120
good fit for the quality of life that we

581
00:24:31,120 --> 00:24:33,840
bought our houses we pay taxes for. And

582
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,000
it's being advertised as a single room.

583
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:37,919
You're advertising on apartments.com and

584
00:24:37,919 --> 00:24:40,240
stuff like that as a single room. Shared

585
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,159
access to the um living room or the

586
00:24:42,159 --> 00:24:44,400
bathrooms and the shared living spaces.

587
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,159
So like you're renting out bedrooms in a

588
00:24:46,159 --> 00:24:47,679
house. That's not what our neighborhood

589
00:24:47,679 --> 00:24:50,080
was designed to have and to let people

590
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:53,760
occupy in that form or fashion. Um the

591
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:55,600
parking situation right now there are

592
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:57,840
five cars associated with that building.

593
00:24:57,840 --> 00:24:59,600
Five cars. Five people in that building

594
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:01,600
have cars and it's been operational for

595
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:05,200
going on a year now. So I think that you

596
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,360
have just shown a willingness in your

597
00:25:07,360 --> 00:25:09,760
behavior to not do things the correct

598
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:11,520
manner and not figure out if this was

599
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:12,640
something you should have done in the

600
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:14,640
first place. So I think that just based

601
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,400
on that like there's no reason to think

602
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:17,679
that anything would change going

603
00:25:17,679 --> 00:25:19,200
forward.

604
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,520
And I think that's all I have. Thank

605
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:31,669
you.

606
00:25:31,679 --> 00:25:33,520
» Hello,

607
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:42,789
name is Gary Johnson.

608
00:25:42,799 --> 00:25:44,480
» I do.

609
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,200
>> Um, yeah, this is my wife who just

610
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:51,200
testified. I'm at 10:15 Monroe. Um, the

611
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:52,960
issue I have with is the way they came

612
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,039
in with this.

613
00:25:55,039 --> 00:25:57,600
If they applied for a boarding house

614
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,000
when they came in, it would have been

615
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:01,919
squashed.

616
00:26:01,919 --> 00:26:04,159
They applied for as a single family home

617
00:26:04,159 --> 00:26:06,240
as you said.

618
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,600
You know, that's so I had apartment,

619
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,960
five unit apartment before I paid five

620
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,799
trash bills for each apartment. They've

621
00:26:16,799 --> 00:26:19,440
been getting over for trash bills

622
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,440
as far as picking up trash. All the

623
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,799
money I pay taxes, I pay my trash bills

624
00:26:24,799 --> 00:26:27,279
and everything else. And like my wife

625
00:26:27,279 --> 00:26:29,919
said, look, they don't use that bat.

626
00:26:29,919 --> 00:26:32,320
Only one car uses that bat. And now

627
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:33,919
they're scared. So they start parking

628
00:26:33,919 --> 00:26:35,279
around the corner after they got the

629
00:26:35,279 --> 00:26:39,679
notice. So the thing about it is, I

630
00:26:39,679 --> 00:26:41,840
mean, when you came into this situation,

631
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,799
you supposed to check the codes. the

632
00:26:44,799 --> 00:26:46,960
code wouldn't allow you to put eight

633
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,520
rooms in that house. That's where I'm

634
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:54,080
getting it at. And just like um 1021,

635
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:58,080
you know, it's a B&B. The guy's in jail

636
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,880
who owns it. His brother's running it.

637
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:02,720
>> We'll talk about that case next next

638
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:03,120
month.

639
00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:05,440
>> And um the situation in our

640
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,000
neighborhood, it just just got crazy,

641
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,720
you know, last year. And my problem is

642
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:11,919
if he would have did the right thing

643
00:27:11,919 --> 00:27:14,240
when he came in, they would have denied

644
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,120
it because it's the code system doesn't

645
00:27:17,120 --> 00:27:19,120
allow that to happen in their

646
00:27:19,120 --> 00:27:21,039
neighborhood to the codes. So you came

647
00:27:21,039 --> 00:27:23,440
in here with a agenda of making money

648
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,559
and doing whatever you're doing. But you

649
00:27:26,559 --> 00:27:29,520
got to come to the to the codes,

650
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:30,799
you know, you got to do the right thing

651
00:27:30,799 --> 00:27:33,440
when you when you purchase a a building,

652
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,360
construction, whatever. You have to get

653
00:27:35,360 --> 00:27:37,440
the permits and everything else. You

654
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,159
know, I haven't seen your face not one

655
00:27:40,159 --> 00:27:43,440
time. And I'm nosy.

656
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,400
>> You seen me? I'm I'm glad you did cuz I

657
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,159
am nosy.

658
00:27:48,159 --> 00:27:51,120
You know, and like I said, my grandkids

659
00:27:51,120 --> 00:27:52,720
live there. Everybody lives there. And

660
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,640
the guy told me when he first did it, he

661
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,480
said, "Yeah, we have parking in the

662
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:57,600
back." Cuz there was parking on the

663
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,039
other side of the street. And I had to

664
00:27:59,039 --> 00:28:02,159
go explain to him, you know, you can't

665
00:28:02,159 --> 00:28:04,559
be parking. You should have parking in

666
00:28:04,559 --> 00:28:06,880
the back for a business like this. I had

667
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,279
a five unit apartment. I know what it is

668
00:28:09,279 --> 00:28:11,440
to handle far as tenants and everything

669
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,640
else. It's a mess, you know, and the

670
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,640
money that you you ain't paying taxes. I

671
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,600
mean, trash bills for for a year, they

672
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,559
made me pay for five five units. Every

673
00:28:22,559 --> 00:28:26,080
unit had to have a separate trash bill.

674
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,159
There ain't no dumpster back there. You

675
00:28:28,159 --> 00:28:31,440
know what I mean? So he's been we pay

676
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,279
taxes and that's why stuff keeps going

677
00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:35,520
up cuz people don't ain't following the

678
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,640
rules trash bills with taxes and

679
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,279
everything else you know and I hope you

680
00:28:41,279 --> 00:28:44,080
guys you know it's a good it's a good

681
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,559
plan but not there

682
00:28:46,559 --> 00:28:48,159
you know and that's what that's all I

683
00:28:48,159 --> 00:28:49,200
have to say.

684
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:50,080
>> Thank you sir.

685
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:51,520
>> Yeah.

686
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,840
>> Did you have anything else to say?

687
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,080
>> Um I wasn't aware

688
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:57,520
>> go back up to the microphone. Go back to

689
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:02,789
the podium.

690
00:29:02,799 --> 00:29:06,240
So, I wasn't aware of the um the

691
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,399
resident's parking on the street or

692
00:29:08,399 --> 00:29:10,559
around the the the corner from the

693
00:29:10,559 --> 00:29:14,240
property. Um I advised everyone that the

694
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,320
there's parking in the back um of the

695
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,399
property. I got a note like I I got a

696
00:29:18,399 --> 00:29:21,520
notice about this a few months ago. So I

697
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:25,360
wasn't aware of the um of the city code

698
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:29,440
regarding the four um uh unrelated

699
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,600
individuals in one property. So I mean

700
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,039
that's my negligence. I should have

701
00:29:33,039 --> 00:29:35,440
checked that but um initially when I

702
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:36,640
purchased the property I was going to

703
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:40,320
sell it but you know things changed uh

704
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,880
after you know after purchase. So, um I

705
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,000
didn't want to deal with the um college

706
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,880
students um just regular uh tenants. So,

707
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,200
that's why I advertised it as furnish

708
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,080
rentals for our professional housing. Um

709
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,559
and it's only medical professionals um

710
00:29:56,559 --> 00:29:59,120
in I haven't had any college students. I

711
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,279
don't rent to college students. So, but

712
00:30:01,279 --> 00:30:04,240
I mean I I understand uh you know what

713
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,240
these uh what the neighbors are are are

714
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:07,600
speaking about.

715
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:15,110
>> Thank you.

716
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,919
Make a motion.

717
00:30:17,919 --> 00:30:22,389
>> Second,

718
00:30:22,399 --> 00:30:23,679
» Mr. Mccur.

719
00:30:23,679 --> 00:30:26,960
>> Well, due to the uh inadequate parking,

720
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,720
uh a boarding house in the residential

721
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:35,279
area, uh more than four unrelated people

722
00:30:35,279 --> 00:30:39,360
living in uh single family home. Uh, for

723
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:44,549
those reasons, I vote no.

724
00:30:44,559 --> 00:30:45,840
» Mr. Morris,

725
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:47,520
>> no.

726
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:48,480
>> Mr. Walsh?

727
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,320
>> No.

728
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:51,279
>> Mr. Wilby?

729
00:30:51,279 --> 00:30:52,240
>> No.

730
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:53,440
>> And Mr. Matt Evovage?

731
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:54,000
>> No.

732
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:55,440
>> A vote of five to zero. You've been

733
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:56,399
denied.

734
00:30:56,399 --> 00:30:58,240
>> Can I just ask one question?

735
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,320
>> Um, is is it the the parking that's the

736
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,159
issue or

737
00:31:02,159 --> 00:31:03,679
>> I I think the whole situation,

738
00:31:03,679 --> 00:31:04,720
unfortunately.

739
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,840
>> All right. Thank you.

740
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,799
Excuse me. Sorry to be out of order. Can

741
00:31:10,799 --> 00:31:12,960
I ask you an unrelated question? The

742
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:14,720
four unrelated people. Can you explain

743
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,600
this part?

744
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,520
>> Dan, you want to explain?

745
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,520
>> The ordinance

746
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:25,039
says that four unrelated people still

747
00:31:25,039 --> 00:31:30,080
constitute a family. Um, so a single

748
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,080
family dwelling with four unrelated

749
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:33,360
people is allowed.

750
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:37,909
>> Okay. Yeah.

751
00:31:37,919 --> 00:31:39,440
» And not short term. Is that correct,

752
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:39,840
Dan?

753
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:41,200
>> Not short term,

754
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:42,640
>> right? Not short term,

755
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,279
>> but yeah, they they're supposed to have

756
00:31:45,279 --> 00:31:48,559
one four of them signing one lease as a

757
00:31:48,559 --> 00:31:50,480
family.

758
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,279
>> Four unrelated people signing four

759
00:31:53,279 --> 00:31:54,720
individual leases.

760
00:31:54,720 --> 00:32:02,870
>> No, signing one lease.

761
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,480
I have a quick question in regards to

762
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,360
the short-term rental. What what

763
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,120
classifies short-term rental?

764
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,679
>> Sir, I can advise you maybe uh if if you

765
00:32:13,679 --> 00:32:16,080
want to call call Chad tomorrow and he

766
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:17,760
can help you along with with further

767
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,480
stuff. Okay.

768
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,840
>> Can we call uh case number four, please?

769
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:27,279
Case number four is Dolce Mongro seeks

770
00:32:27,279 --> 00:32:29,360
variance used garage structure in the

771
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,440
rear of property as a vehicle repair

772
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,480
garage at 325

773
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:54,149
Green Street in R10Zone.

774
00:32:54,159 --> 00:32:54,720
Yes.

775
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,000
>> Okay. I'm going to have you raise your

776
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:57,600
right hand, too. So, I guess you both in

777
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,840
at once. Um, can you both raise your

778
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:01,279
right hand for me?

779
00:33:01,279 --> 00:33:03,760
>> Do you swear

780
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:05,760
you will be the truth? The whole truth

781
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:06,960
and the truth.

782
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:07,600
>> Yes.

783
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:09,679
>> Can you say you spell your name for me,

784
00:33:09,679 --> 00:33:10,240
please?

785
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:18,149
>> Da Monro. D U L C E. M O N E G R O.

786
00:33:18,159 --> 00:33:20,880
» Okay.

787
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:24,240
So basically I'm a small investment. I

788
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,120
bought the property last year as a

789
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,519
single family. We already fixed the

790
00:33:29,519 --> 00:33:32,480
primary home. The garage is bigger than

791
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:36,320
the primary residence. So we was uh we

792
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,600
considering rent it out the garage, turn

793
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,000
it to like a shop to a mechanic or

794
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,480
something like that.

795
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,240
>> Is that a permanent structure garage or

796
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,000
is that a pole barn converted into a

797
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:48,559
garage?

798
00:33:48,559 --> 00:33:51,679
>> No, it is a garage right now. big. Very

799
00:33:51,679 --> 00:34:00,230
big. Like 10 cars would fit in there.

800
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,080
» So, you're looking to rent it out.

801
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:03,200
You're not trying to operate it

802
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:04,559
yourself. You're looking to rent it out

803
00:34:04,559 --> 00:34:05,760
to somebody else.

804
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:09,909
>> That is correct.

805
00:34:09,919 --> 00:34:11,760
» And what hardship would you have if you

806
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,480
did not get approved here tonight?

807
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,240
I mean, I already invest a lot of money

808
00:34:16,240 --> 00:34:18,000
in the property, fixing the primary

809
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,879
home, and I put in the application if

810
00:34:20,879 --> 00:34:22,720
the garage is not approved to be a shop,

811
00:34:22,720 --> 00:34:25,040
if I can turn it to an extension of the

812
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,679
property, like another apartment within

813
00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:29,280
the property.

814
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,119
>> So, it's a financial hardship, not

815
00:34:31,119 --> 00:34:32,879
anything with the property itself.

816
00:34:32,879 --> 00:34:33,679
>> No,

817
00:34:33,679 --> 00:34:35,440
>> it would be a financial hardship if you

818
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:36,399
didn't get approved.

819
00:34:36,399 --> 00:34:36,800
>> Correct.

820
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,040
>> And financial hardship is not one that

821
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:40,720
qualifies for variance. Correct.

822
00:34:40,720 --> 00:34:41,440
>> That's correct.

823
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:46,310
>> Thank you, sir. Anybody

824
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,320
else?

825
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,960
>> If you do rent it out, what would be the

826
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:52,639
days of the week that it' be in

827
00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:54,399
operation?

828
00:34:54,399 --> 00:34:56,240
>> What would be the dates?

829
00:34:56,240 --> 00:34:58,079
>> Like would it be open six days a week,

830
00:34:58,079 --> 00:34:59,119
two days a week?

831
00:34:59,119 --> 00:35:00,800
>> No, no, no. It's going to be rental like

832
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:02,640
a regular lease a year, two year,

833
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,320
whatever the tenant decide they wanted

834
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:05,920
to. Probably they're going to be working

835
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:07,520
six days a week. I would say

836
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,200
>> six days a week. What would the hours

837
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,760
be? Uh most shop they works probably

838
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:13,920
from 8:00 in the morning to 5:00 in the

839
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:14,720
afternoon.

840
00:35:14,720 --> 00:35:18,240
>> Okay. And any outdoor lighting for

841
00:35:18,240 --> 00:35:20,320
security around the uh garage?

842
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,320
>> We we are considered to put security

843
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:26,560
cameras outside within the property.

844
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,119
>> Okay. So uh

845
00:35:29,119 --> 00:35:33,599
and the entrance and exit that alley

846
00:35:33,599 --> 00:35:35,680
that you could just just about drive

847
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:36,800
through.

848
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:37,839
>> It's in the back.

849
00:35:37,839 --> 00:35:39,440
>> Yeah. In the back. Yes.

850
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:45,440
>> And to get into your property, it's a uh

851
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,680
very tight squeeze with the neighbor's

852
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,720
garage that's there.

853
00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:52,480
>> So, you're saying that garage could

854
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,720
easily fit 10 vehicles. That's going to

855
00:35:54,720 --> 00:35:55,839
be uh

856
00:35:55,839 --> 00:35:58,560
>> No, I'm traffic. I'm talking about like

857
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,400
inside, but usually they don't put more

858
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,160
than two cars or three cars when they

859
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,280
working within the cars. But the space

860
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,720
is big, sortable. If they need to like

861
00:36:08,720 --> 00:36:11,200
to park the cars, people leave the car

862
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,680
there, come back two day, three days.

863
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:15,040
That's what I'm gonna say.

864
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:16,960
>> So, they'll be parking the cars in the

865
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:18,400
garage because you can't park in the

866
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,040
courts and it's an L-shaped court and

867
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:22,480
you won't be parking them out on Green

868
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:23,760
Street because there's no room out

869
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:25,119
there, right? So, where will you be

870
00:36:25,119 --> 00:36:27,200
parking the extra cars that people

871
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:28,000
leave?

872
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,240
>> This this space in the back that fits

873
00:36:30,240 --> 00:36:31,920
like three cars in the back of the

874
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:33,839
garage also.

875
00:36:33,839 --> 00:36:35,040
So, it's all in the rear of the

876
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:36,560
property. Nothing on Green Street.

877
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:40,150
>> That is correct.

878
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,160
» Good.

879
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:43,920
>> Is there anyone else uh here to give

880
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:45,760
testimony on this?

881
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:56,630
>> You come on up.

882
00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:01,270
» Jose Argua. A r gua.

883
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,839
I actually live next door to 325 on 331

884
00:37:03,839 --> 00:37:04,640
Green Street.

885
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,400
>> Excuse me, sir. I missed the spelling.

886
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:07,440
Could you spell it again?

887
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:12,560
>> Last name. A R G U E T A.

888
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,160
>> Thank you.

889
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,720
>> Like I said, I live right next to 325.

890
00:37:16,720 --> 00:37:18,320
Um, I bought the house about two years

891
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,359
ago with the intentions of, you know,

892
00:37:21,359 --> 00:37:23,280
having a nice life there. But to have a

893
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:27,040
mechanic shop next door, I that my wife

894
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:28,720
and I are even considering if it does

895
00:37:28,720 --> 00:37:31,839
happen, we're selling, you know, I don't

896
00:37:31,839 --> 00:37:33,760
know how you fit 10 cars in there. I

897
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,200
don't even know how you fit four cars in

898
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:36,560
there in the back when the garage is

899
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,680
closed cuz it blocks my public easement

900
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,079
to my, you know, backyard. I don't know

901
00:37:42,079 --> 00:37:43,359
if you guys have the plans in front of

902
00:37:43,359 --> 00:37:46,960
you, but it blocks my public easing. I

903
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:48,880
don't know how that works. Even if that

904
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:50,800
you were to go through either side of

905
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,000
the alley, how do you tow a truck or a

906
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,960
car in there? It's a tight squeeze

907
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:58,160
because you have barriers at the

908
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,359
beginning of the of the alleys. I just

909
00:38:01,359 --> 00:38:04,079
don't see it. You know, I had spoken to

910
00:38:04,079 --> 00:38:05,920
her when she first broke, you know,

911
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:07,760
bought the property. you know, we were

912
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:09,760
cleaning it up, my neighbor and I,

913
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:11,200
because nobody was, you know, keep up

914
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,359
keeping up with the yard. And then once,

915
00:38:13,359 --> 00:38:14,720
you know, the property was, you know,

916
00:38:14,720 --> 00:38:16,480
bought, they were still not keeping up

917
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:17,839
with the yard. We did it for a couple of

918
00:38:17,839 --> 00:38:19,839
months, but after, you know, a while,

919
00:38:19,839 --> 00:38:21,839
that's gas that I'm spending on my lawn

920
00:38:21,839 --> 00:38:23,119
mower, [clears throat] you know, strings

921
00:38:23,119 --> 00:38:25,040
that I'm, you know, spending on somebody

922
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,160
else's property. You know, that the

923
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:29,839
backyard was not done for I don't know

924
00:38:29,839 --> 00:38:32,000
how long. I'm the one who keeps who mows

925
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,160
down that grass in that public easement,

926
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,480
my neighbor and I. And then if you got

927
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,079
cars right now, you got animals coming

928
00:38:38,079 --> 00:38:39,440
out of there. There's a whole bunch of

929
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,280
cats coming out of there.

930
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:42,640
>> Three weeks ago, it wasn't cleaned up

931
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:44,640
when I rode by.

932
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:46,720
>> I can tell you I was keeping up with it.

933
00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:47,599
You know what I'm saying? But I'm not

934
00:38:47,599 --> 00:38:48,960
going to keep doing somebody. If if a

935
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:50,640
property is already bought, that person

936
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,079
should have the responsibility to that

937
00:38:52,079 --> 00:38:54,079
property. I'm not supposed to be keeping

938
00:38:54,079 --> 00:38:57,359
up with it. Like I said, you know, there

939
00:38:57,359 --> 00:39:00,079
I have cameras around my whole thing and

940
00:39:00,079 --> 00:39:01,599
I'm not trying to call people out. I

941
00:39:01,599 --> 00:39:03,520
don't like, you know, coming out here

942
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,000
and put putting people on the spot. But

943
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,000
the same thing as the other case, you

944
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:09,920
know, job was being done there and there

945
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,320
were stop permit orders on there because

946
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:13,839
things were done, I guess, without

947
00:39:13,839 --> 00:39:15,760
permits. And the same thing, they were

948
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:17,119
coming in on the weekend doing the same

949
00:39:17,119 --> 00:39:21,040
exact thing. Coming in doing work, you

950
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,760
know, I if it doesn't bother me, I

951
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:25,359
usually just, you know, turn away, don't

952
00:39:25,359 --> 00:39:29,839
look at it. But now I mechanic shop. I'm

953
00:39:29,839 --> 00:39:31,520
sorry, but that that makes me if it does

954
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:33,680
happen, I'm selling.

955
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,040
>> I have a question.

956
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,680
>> Um, can I ask you if you're looking from

957
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,640
the street at the house, are you on the

958
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:41,359
left or right?

959
00:39:41,359 --> 00:39:42,720
>> I'm on the right side.

960
00:39:42,720 --> 00:39:45,760
>> So, behind the property there at the

961
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,960
corner of the alley, is that alley

962
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:50,560
property like where that red truck is

963
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:51,520
parked or is

964
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:55,200
>> that red truck is no longer there? That I guess you're looking at old

965
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:56,880
photos or that the

966
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,839
>> there. Which red truck

967
00:39:59,839 --> 00:40:01,599
>> out behind the property?

968
00:40:01,599 --> 00:40:03,760
>> There's a red car, but there's no red

969
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:05,280
truck blocking that alleyway.

970
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,079
>> Okay. Is that What property is that

971
00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:10,800
would be behind

972
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,640
uh her property and to I guess your

973
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,800
yard? I mean, I'm on Google Maps.

974
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:17,200
>> Yeah.

975
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,359
>> Um but I was there inspecting the other

976
00:40:19,359 --> 00:40:19,760
day.

977
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:21,200
>> That red truck, if you see if you're

978
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:22,800
looking at Google Maps, that red truck

979
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,119
is is actually blocking my public key.

980
00:40:25,119 --> 00:40:26,480
That used to be the old, you know,

981
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,400
whoever owned the house before. I guess

982
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,400
they were old back taxes or whatever.

983
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,640
And, you know, but the city took care of

984
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,560
all that. You know, they took the red

985
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,079
truck out and that was and I was able

986
00:40:36,079 --> 00:40:38,960
to, you know, bring in my cars now.

987
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:40,400
>> But if she brings in, you know, a

988
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:41,520
mechanic shop, how am I going to get

989
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,119
into

990
00:40:43,119 --> 00:40:44,480
my my driver?

991
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,440
>> That little rectangle coming from where

992
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,160
the alley turns. Okay.

993
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,720
>> And going straight into would be yours.

994
00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:53,359
There's that

995
00:40:53,359 --> 00:40:55,040
>> straight shot. It's mine.

996
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:58,480
>> Whose is that spot behind like would be

997
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,240
behind her property?

998
00:41:00,240 --> 00:41:00,960
>> Is that

999
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:02,720
>> public? That's in That's public.

1000
00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:04,560
>> Okay. Okay. That was my question.

1001
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,000
>> Like I said, I keep up with it because

1002
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:07,280
obviously I have to get my cars in

1003
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:08,880
there. I don't mind that cuz I have to

1004
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:09,760
get my cars in there.

1005
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,079
>> Okay.

1006
00:41:12,079 --> 00:41:13,760
>> Thank you, sir.

1007
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,640
>> Anyone else?

1008
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,880
Just for the record, you have in front

1009
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:23,119
of you a email from an Amber Azerelli

1010
00:41:23,119 --> 00:41:26,560
who is against the project for the

1011
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,280
reasons stated in the letter and we will

1012
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:40,870
make the letter part of the record.

1013
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:41,280
» Good.

1014
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,119
>> I make a motion.

1015
00:41:43,119 --> 00:41:46,470
>> I'll second.

1016
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:47,839
Mr. McGomery,

1017
00:41:47,839 --> 00:41:49,760
>> no.

1018
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:50,800
>> Mr. Morris,

1019
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:52,560
>> no.

1020
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:53,440
>> Mr. Walsh,

1021
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:54,640
>> no.

1022
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:55,520
>> Mr. Wby,

1023
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:57,040
>> no.

1024
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:58,319
>> And Mr. Matt,

1025
00:41:58,319 --> 00:41:59,359
>> no.

1026
00:41:59,359 --> 00:42:00,319
>> Vote of five to

1027
00:42:00,319 --> 00:42:01,760
>> I'm sorry. Vote of five to zero. You

1028
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:05,280
have been denied. Thank you.

1029
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:10,069
>> Call number five, please.

1030
00:42:10,079 --> 00:42:13,119
Case number five is Pat Rogan. seeks

1031
00:42:13,119 --> 00:42:15,280
variance to construct a self storage

1032
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,640
facility at 1740

1033
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:27,990
North Main Avenue in end zone.

1034
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,480
» I do.

1035
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,480
>> Um, thank you for your time. Uh, for

1036
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:33,839
those who don't know me, my name is Pat

1037
00:42:33,839 --> 00:42:35,839
Rogan. This board uh actually approved

1038
00:42:35,839 --> 00:42:37,920
my other project, Central Scranton Self

1039
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:39,760
Storage, a few years back on North

1040
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:41,599
Washington Avenue. It's uh been a very

1041
00:42:41,599 --> 00:42:46,390
successful project. Um

1042
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:47,920
» is that is that better?

1043
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:51,040
>> Okay. Um this project will be very

1044
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:52,720
similar in size and scope to the

1045
00:42:52,720 --> 00:42:54,560
existing storage facility we have on

1046
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:56,960
North Washington Avenue on in Greenidge.

1047
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:58,640
Um that was like as I mentioned it was

1048
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:00,800
previously approved by this board. Um we

1049
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:02,400
don't have our plans finalized yet but

1050
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,000
the preliminary concept calls for

1051
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,880
approximately 250 self- storage units.

1052
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:08,880
Uh the facility will be locally owned

1053
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:10,880
and operated with construction and other

1054
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:12,720
project work utilizing local

1055
00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:15,440
contractors. Um with the continued

1056
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,040
housing shortage, more people are living

1057
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,040
in smaller homes, staying in apartments

1058
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,200
longer, um creating an increased need

1059
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,359
for self storage um so people could stay

1060
00:43:23,359 --> 00:43:25,599
in smaller homes. The project will

1061
00:43:25,599 --> 00:43:27,359
provide a needed service for residents

1062
00:43:27,359 --> 00:43:28,960
while making productive use of a

1063
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:30,640
property that's sit vacant for some

1064
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,520
time. Um we've done a lot of due

1065
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:35,359
diligence on this project already. We've

1066
00:43:35,359 --> 00:43:37,119
met, we have engineer reports, we had

1067
00:43:37,119 --> 00:43:40,560
on-site visits uh with PennDOT. Um we do

1068
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:43,280
have uh three four requests tonight. The

1069
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,599
first is for use. Um the second is for

1070
00:43:45,599 --> 00:43:48,160
the amount of impervious. Um the third

1071
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,160
is uh requesting not to pave the

1072
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,800
facility and then the fourth is uh to

1073
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:54,640
not have parking on site. As you know

1074
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,440
with self storage, um unlike retail,

1075
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:58,880
people aren't parking. They're coming

1076
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:00,480
in, they're putting their stuff in their

1077
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,119
unit, and they're leaving. Um a little

1078
00:44:03,119 --> 00:44:03,680
information

1079
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:05,280
>> about that, Pat. There's actually a

1080
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,920
fifth one, the uh rear setback.

1081
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:09,760
>> Um I actually spoke to Don King about

1082
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:11,599
the rear setback. We do not need that

1083
00:44:11,599 --> 00:44:13,760
variance after speaking with Mr. King.

1084
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:14,800
>> Okay. Thank you.

1085
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,599
>> Thank you. Um property. Little

1086
00:44:17,599 --> 00:44:20,720
information about the property. Um one

1087
00:44:20,720 --> 00:44:25,440
of these properties is a former funeral parlor that includes an existing

1088
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,440
garage and apartment. This is on the far

1089
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,520
left if you're looking um from Main

1090
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,920
Avenue. Um it's at the intersection of

1091
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,640
Mainav and Oak. It's predominantly a

1092
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:36,480
commercial institutional uses in the

1093
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,960
area. This is not a cohesive residential

1094
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,599
neighborhood by any means. Um the

1095
00:44:41,599 --> 00:44:43,200
property was initially listed for

1096
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,960
auction in March 19th. Um in an effort

1097
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:48,400
to see if there was market demand for

1098
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,800
the property in is in its most recent

1099
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:52,880
uses. Um there was not a successful

1100
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,520
bidder in the auction. Property was s

1101
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:57,359
subsequently placed back on the market

1102
00:44:57,359 --> 00:44:59,280
but experienced little to no activity

1103
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,079
until my offer was accepted. The

1104
00:45:02,079 --> 00:45:04,000
location of the property presents

1105
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,000
significant challenges for continued

1106
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,000
residential use. Um, when I tour the

1107
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:09,680
property myself, being in the property,

1108
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:11,040
you could hear every vehicle that comes

1109
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,520
by. They're very close to Main Avenue.

1110
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,280
Um, and as I mentioned, the main

1111
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:16,800
building was previously used as a

1112
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:18,720
funeral home. Um, that's what it was

1113
00:45:18,720 --> 00:45:22,000
built for. Um, again, situated right on

1114
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,240
North Main and Oak Street. many of the

1115
00:45:24,240 --> 00:45:26,000
surrounding buildings, gas station right

1116
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:27,520
across the street, there's a gas station

1117
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:29,920
to the left, convenience stores, uh

1118
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,720
child care, the post office, um

1119
00:45:32,720 --> 00:45:34,800
surrounding uses. Again, it's not

1120
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:38,160
suitable for a residential use. Um given

1121
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:40,400
the property's location, surrounding

1122
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:41,839
development pattern, existing

1123
00:45:41,839 --> 00:45:43,440
improvements, and lack of market

1124
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,000
activity, um that the previous use is

1125
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:47,440
not the highest and best use of the

1126
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,839
property. My proposed use would provide

1127
00:45:49,839 --> 00:45:52,480
a more appropriate transition between uh

1128
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,720
the existing commercial uses in the area

1129
00:45:54,720 --> 00:45:56,960
on North Main Avenue while putting a

1130
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,040
currently vacant and under utilized

1131
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,599
property back into productive use. Um

1132
00:46:01,599 --> 00:46:03,280
the requested variance would allow the

1133
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:04,880
property to be utilized in a manner

1134
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:06,720
that's consistent with the character of

1135
00:46:06,720 --> 00:46:08,640
the neighborhood while providing an

1136
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:10,720
opportunity to improve and maintain the

1137
00:46:10,720 --> 00:46:13,280
structure and property. Um if I could

1138
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,160
provide to the board, I do have uh a few

1139
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:19,599
items to present. The first is um this

1140
00:46:19,599 --> 00:46:22,800
is a a draft mockup of the facility. Now

1141
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,040
this is not exact. The mockup that was

1142
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,599
done shows uh water retention above

1143
00:46:27,599 --> 00:46:29,680
ground. All the water retention will be

1144
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:31,119
below ground. There'll be no retaining

1145
00:46:31,119 --> 00:46:33,440
ponds. Um but all the water retention

1146
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,200
just like our other facility will all be

1147
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,359
in tanks below grade. Nobody will even

1148
00:46:37,359 --> 00:46:39,920
see it, but it will retain uh any runoff

1149
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:43,040
from the facility. And the second one um

1150
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:44,960
this is every storage facility in the

1151
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,599
city of Scranton. Um the pictures aren't

1152
00:46:47,599 --> 00:46:49,200
the best, but if you drove by any of

1153
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:52,000
them, none of them are fully paved. Um

1154
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,160
every other one is using uh some sort of

1155
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,359
stone or modified. Um if I could

1156
00:46:57,359 --> 00:46:58,240
approach with these.

1157
00:46:58,240 --> 00:47:00,400
>> Sure.

1158
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,119
Uh Dan, while he's passing that out, uh

1159
00:47:03,119 --> 00:47:05,119
what would be the required uh parking

1160
00:47:05,119 --> 00:47:10,309
for for for this if

1161
00:47:10,319 --> 00:47:13,119
Well, for a storage facility, it's one

1162
00:47:13,119 --> 00:47:17,040
for every 2,000 square feet of storage.

1163
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:21,280
Um I'm not sure whether we know what the

1164
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,079
>> I know you said 250 storage units, but I

1165
00:47:24,079 --> 00:47:25,280
don't know how big they would be. Our

1166
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,280
engineer um said the code would call for

1167
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:28,720
17 parking spots.

1168
00:47:28,720 --> 00:47:29,520
>> 78

1169
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:31,520
>> 17 Okay.

1170
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:33,200
>> And at our current facility, we have

1171
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:35,359
none. And there's there's no issue. No,

1172
00:47:35,359 --> 00:47:37,440
nobody parks long term out of self

1173
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:38,880
storage. Like I said, you you pull up

1174
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:40,319
your truck or your car in front of your

1175
00:47:40,319 --> 00:47:43,520
unit, take stuff in, bring stuff out,

1176
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:45,520
and then you you go on.

1177
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:47,280
>> You'll have more people parking their

1178
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:48,720
car at the ice cream place from the gas

1179
00:47:48,720 --> 00:47:50,319
station than at your storage facility.

1180
00:47:50,319 --> 00:47:53,200
>> Absolutely. And the closest residence is

1181
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:54,560
probably across from the ice cream

1182
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,599
store. And then there's a beacon

1183
00:47:57,599 --> 00:48:00,640
assisted living next to the gas station

1184
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:02,560
going up Maine on the other side. After

1185
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:04,240
the intersection, then everything else

1186
00:48:04,240 --> 00:48:06,720
from you is is businesses up to correct

1187
00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:07,839
>> to Market Street.

1188
00:48:07,839 --> 00:48:10,000
>> That's correct. And would your facility

1189
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,400
uh have lighting and cameras to uh

1190
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:15,520
assist our our our city officers or the

1191
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:16,800
police department if there's anything

1192
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:18,720
that happens up there at those

1193
00:48:18,720 --> 00:48:20,640
restaurants that they used to have

1194
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,160
opened? I don't know if they're opened,

1195
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:23,680
you know, again in those car lots. So,

1196
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,079
would you be willing to share any video

1197
00:48:26,079 --> 00:48:27,599
that you have from your facilities with

1198
00:48:27,599 --> 00:48:30,160
the city, you know, if necessary?

1199
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,559
>> Absolutely. We we plan on having dozens,

1200
00:48:32,559 --> 00:48:35,119
if not a hundred cameras. Certainly

1201
00:48:35,119 --> 00:48:36,800
dozens. I can't commit to 100, but

1202
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:38,480
there's going to be a ton of cameras. Uh

1203
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,079
we'd certainly cooperate with the police

1204
00:48:40,079 --> 00:48:42,240
department uh whenever we can.

1205
00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:44,720
>> Thank you,

1206
00:48:44,720 --> 00:48:47,920
>> Pat. What's the range of the property?

1207
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,880
Uh we're looking from the empty lot if

1208
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:52,800
you as you look at it from the street,

1209
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,599
the empty lot on the right part uh

1210
00:48:55,599 --> 00:48:56,880
against the driveway.

1211
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:57,280
>> So,

1212
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,280
>> which was Nurka's old funeral home. If

1213
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,200
you're looking um from the left, so the

1214
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:02,720
funeral home to the left of the funeral

1215
00:49:02,720 --> 00:49:06,079
home is a there's a garage in the rear.

1216
00:49:06,079 --> 00:49:08,319
I believe that was actually used for the

1217
00:49:08,319 --> 00:49:10,880
funeral home back in the day. Um to the

1218
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,760
left of that there's a small like shack,

1219
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:14,800
tan shack,

1220
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:16,240
>> which used to be the post office years

1221
00:49:16,240 --> 00:49:16,800
ago.

1222
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:18,960
>> Okay. And that that building from that

1223
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:22,319
building over would be the scope. That would be the starting the starting

1224
00:49:22,319 --> 00:49:22,640
point.

1225
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:25,280
>> So right up to Dean these collectibles

1226
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:26,880
all the way down to the driveway.

1227
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:27,520
>> Correct. Correct.

1228
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:29,280
>> Okay.

1229
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:29,520
Pat,

1230
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:31,119
>> is there any office or anything in in

1231
00:49:31,119 --> 00:49:32,559
these? No, no office.

1232
00:49:32,559 --> 00:49:34,960
>> No office. All of our leasing at our fac

1233
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:36,400
current facility in this one would be

1234
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:38,480
the same. It's all online. Uh people go

1235
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:39,839
online if they need a unit, they

1236
00:49:39,839 --> 00:49:41,520
purchase it where they call us. We have

1237
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:46,480
a call center. Um so they could call in and uh rent storage uh through

1238
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,400
the phone

1239
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:50,800
>> without having a plan in front of us.

1240
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:55,040
the entrance exit signage, you know, no

1241
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:57,599
right turn, no left turn, you're at a

1242
00:49:57,599 --> 00:49:59,920
traffic light intersection,

1243
00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:02,720
you know, what do you have? Yep.

1244
00:50:02,720 --> 00:50:04,160
>> Because we don't have anything in front

1245
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:04,720
of us.

1246
00:50:04,720 --> 00:50:06,880
>> So, we did meet with PennDOT on site

1247
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:09,520
about 30 days ago. Um, and because it is

1248
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:10,880
a state road, we're going to have to

1249
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:12,559
comply with whatever PennDOT's rules and

1250
00:50:12,559 --> 00:50:14,800
regulations are. What their engineers

1251
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:16,880
suggested is most likely that it's going

1252
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,280
to be a right turn only leaving the

1253
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,280
facility. so that you're not making a

1254
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:24,800
left crossing Main Avenue. Um, regarding

1255
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:28,319
traffic, I did pull a report from our

1256
00:50:28,319 --> 00:50:30,000
current facility, which is about the

1257
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:33,280
same size. Um, and this is a six-day

1258
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,119
run. Now, two of them are weekends, and

1259
00:50:35,119 --> 00:50:36,960
this is our gate code. I could give you

1260
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:40,079
this to look at as well. Um, these are

1261
00:50:40,079 --> 00:50:41,440
the number of people that came in and

1262
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:44,240
out of the facility on a given day. 18,

1263
00:50:44,240 --> 00:50:48,640
28, 25, 17, 19. This is not a hightraic

1264
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,119
use. Um, like I said, people come, they

1265
00:50:51,119 --> 00:50:53,040
drop off their stuff, they leave. Many

1266
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:56,079
of them don't come back for years. And I

1267
00:50:56,079 --> 00:50:58,400
>> And it'll be fenced in, gated,

1268
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:00,480
>> 100% vents. There'll be a gated. Nobody

1269
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:02,319
can enter the facility without an access

1270
00:51:02,319 --> 00:51:04,720
code. Um, each tenant has a unique

1271
00:51:04,720 --> 00:51:07,040
access code um that's unique to them,

1272
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:08,720
but everything will be gated. And I do

1273
00:51:08,720 --> 00:51:11,520
have that report if you would like.

1274
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:12,319
>> No, that's okay.

1275
00:51:12,319 --> 00:51:14,720
>> Okay. Thanks.

1276
00:51:14,720 --> 00:51:17,520
along that line with access from I mean

1277
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:19,520
obviously you have to deal with pen dot

1278
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:21,839
and whatever pen dot says is what

1279
00:51:21,839 --> 00:51:26,000
happens or it doesn't happen um with

1280
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:29,280
pulling in to would be a gate for an

1281
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,079
access code would you be able to pull in

1282
00:51:32,079 --> 00:51:33,839
or would you be blocking the sidewalk

1283
00:51:33,839 --> 00:51:35,599
and main avenue to get in?

1284
00:51:35,599 --> 00:51:38,240
>> You you would be able to pull in. Um, if

1285
00:51:38,240 --> 00:51:40,000
you look at our if if anyone's ever seen

1286
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:41,920
our facility on North Washington Avenue,

1287
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:43,359
there's you could actually have a couple

1288
00:51:43,359 --> 00:51:45,599
vehicles in there before you're out to

1289
00:51:45,599 --> 00:51:47,599
the street. Um, it would be set up in a

1290
00:51:47,599 --> 00:51:49,760
similar manner. Really, our plan is to

1291
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:51,599
kind of carbon copy what we did over

1292
00:51:51,599 --> 00:51:54,480
there and put it in North's Grant.

1293
00:51:54,480 --> 00:52:00,630
>> Okay,

1294
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:03,599
you good. Anyone here to give testimony

1295
00:52:03,599 --> 00:52:08,549
on the case? Come on up.

1296
00:52:08,559 --> 00:52:10,160
How are you?

1297
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:12,400
>> Good, thanks.

1298
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:16,079
Michael Mancini, MAN ci.

1299
00:52:16,079 --> 00:52:17,760
>> For the record, I'd like to object to

1300
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:19,839
this testimony. I see it's within

1301
00:52:19,839 --> 00:52:21,119
proximity to facility.

1302
00:52:21,119 --> 00:52:24,720
>> I I'm uh testifying based upon my years

1303
00:52:24,720 --> 00:52:27,280
of experience operating mortgage

1304
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:30,800
brokerages, looking at over 1,500 uh

1305
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:34,240
appraisals, closing 1,4 mortgages

1306
00:52:34,240 --> 00:52:36,400
without one recision. Did you live close

1307
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:37,920
by this property? Where do you live?

1308
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,000
>> I drive by it and

1309
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,000
>> uh Dan, I I know we we had a meeting

1310
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:43,839
with council on this. Did Did we come up

1311
00:52:43,839 --> 00:52:46,319
with a

1312
00:52:46,319 --> 00:52:48,960
>> The board has the discretion

1313
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:52,000
to set limits as to how far away from

1314
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,359
the proposed facility

1315
00:52:55,359 --> 00:52:59,920
uh any testimony could be taken.

1316
00:52:59,920 --> 00:53:02,160
Again, the farther away from the

1317
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:03,920
facility, the less likely we would take

1318
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:04,800
testimony,

1319
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,200
>> right? I mean, unless you're within, you

1320
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:09,920
know, a th00and 2,000 ft, I I I think

1321
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:11,440
we're not going to be taking testimony

1322
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:12,400
on this.

1323
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:16,319
>> So, regardless of the characteristics or

1324
00:53:16,319 --> 00:53:18,000
the fact that, you know, it's an

1325
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:21,680
exterior obsoles and 75% of residents

1326
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:23,760
live within that general area and

1327
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:25,440
they're looking down on the facility.

1328
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:27,599
>> Excuse me, Pat. Can you just use the

1329
00:53:27,599 --> 00:53:30,800
microphone if you want to say anything?

1330
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:32,559
I would just like to reiterate the the

1331
00:53:32,559 --> 00:53:34,079
objection. Uh he he's currently

1332
00:53:34,079 --> 00:53:36,400
testifying. This isn't back and forth.

1333
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:38,480
Uh he's not within the zone. I would

1334
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:40,319
like the objection to be decided by the

1335
00:53:40,319 --> 00:53:41,760
board.

1336
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:42,640
>> Thank you, sir.

1337
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:44,720
>> Thank you.

1338
00:53:44,720 --> 00:53:46,559
>> Anyone else?

1339
00:53:46,559 --> 00:53:51,119
>> Yes. I'm looking at when looking at the

1340
00:53:51,119 --> 00:53:53,520
projects that come before us, um we go

1341
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:55,440
out, we look at every property, we study

1342
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:56,960
it.

1343
00:53:56,960 --> 00:54:00,079
There's spots like this that have been

1344
00:54:00,079 --> 00:54:03,119
empty. Nara's funeral home has been gone

1345
00:54:03,119 --> 00:54:06,160
I don't know how many years. Um these

1346
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:10,319
adjacent buildings are empty and there's

1347
00:54:10,319 --> 00:54:12,880
not much

1348
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:14,720
want for development in that area for

1349
00:54:14,720 --> 00:54:17,200
apartments for businesses. Businesses

1350
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:21,599
are dead up there. And I look at

1351
00:54:21,599 --> 00:54:24,960
if not this, then what? Um, what can be

1352
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:28,079
done to this property to develop it and

1353
00:54:28,079 --> 00:54:30,400
basically put it back on the tax force?

1354
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:34,160
Make it nicer than it's run down. It

1355
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:37,359
looks like hell. And if that's what's

1356
00:54:37,359 --> 00:54:39,680
going to happen, you have objection

1357
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:43,680
obligation to do that and um work with

1358
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:45,359
PENDOT because it is a tough

1359
00:54:45,359 --> 00:54:48,640
intersection. obviously the crosswalks

1360
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:50,240
but

1361
00:54:50,240 --> 00:54:53,280
um that's my take is developing

1362
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:54,800
properties. So

1363
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:55,599
>> thank you.

1364
00:54:55,599 --> 00:54:58,160
>> I think I think any vote we would have

1365
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:01,520
to add the condition that Pendot has to

1366
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:04,880
approve the ingress and egress

1367
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:06,800
>> and then Dan this also has this have to

1368
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:08,960
go through planning also after us

1369
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:10,000
>> probably. Yes.

1370
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,880
>> Yes. Okay. So you need both planning

1371
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:16,000
approval and pendot approval before the

1372
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:29,829
project can go forward.

1373
00:55:29,839 --> 00:55:31,440
» Yeah, Jan, I'd like to add those

1374
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:33,440
stipulations,

1375
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:34,000
>> okay,

1376
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:35,359
>> that we just discussed.

1377
00:55:35,359 --> 00:55:37,520
>> We'll add those as conditions of any

1378
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:43,109
approval.

1379
00:55:43,119 --> 00:55:44,960
And Mr. Chairman, just a a question and

1380
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:46,240
attorney penitentar on those

1381
00:55:46,240 --> 00:55:50,880
stipulations. I I third meeting I was in

1382
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:52,240
the last one and where we put

1383
00:55:52,240 --> 00:55:54,799
stipulations on certain properties over

1384
00:55:54,799 --> 00:55:56,880
on Mineral Avenue for fire escapes and

1385
00:55:56,880 --> 00:56:00,640
so on and so forth. uh probably many

1386
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:02,079
meetings before that there were

1387
00:56:02,079 --> 00:56:05,359
stipulations on and once that the

1388
00:56:05,359 --> 00:56:08,400
applicant leaves this meeting tonight

1389
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:11,520
and gets a thumbs up or a thumbs down a

1390
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:13,599
thumbs up that's when the stipulations

1391
00:56:13,599 --> 00:56:16,960
will kick in. How

1392
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:20,400
do we as board members

1393
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:22,559
be updated on those stipulations?

1394
00:56:22,559 --> 00:56:23,760
Because

1395
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:25,839
>> the first the first one is easy.

1396
00:56:25,839 --> 00:56:28,079
>> Okay. Pendot has to approve it otherwise

1397
00:56:28,079 --> 00:56:29,680
he can't get in and out.

1398
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:31,920
>> The second one he has to go before

1399
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:32,799
planning.

1400
00:56:32,799 --> 00:56:34,400
>> Right. So we we put those

1401
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:36,880
>> that Mr. Evans could uh

1402
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:38,799
>> we we put those stipulations on. But how

1403
00:56:38,799 --> 00:56:40,160
do how do I know

1404
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:42,000
>> how do I know as a as a as a board

1405
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:47,599
member that's voting on this item that stipulation was adhered to? Will I

1406
00:56:47,599 --> 00:56:50,480
be notified through?

1407
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:52,319
>> No, we're not notified. The law

1408
00:56:52,319 --> 00:56:56,799
department then takes care of that from here on out. So, okay, just to just

1409
00:56:56,799 --> 00:56:58,640
to make sure cuz I get questions all the

1410
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:00,960
time, you know, and just in two months,

1411
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:02,799
you know, you did this. How do we know

1412
00:57:02,799 --> 00:57:04,319
they're following up? I said, I don't

1413
00:57:04,319 --> 00:57:05,920
know. Call the city. You know, I don't

1414
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:08,240
like to give somebody that answer. I

1415
00:57:08,240 --> 00:57:10,559
like to say, well, this is how I know

1416
00:57:10,559 --> 00:57:12,400
because as an individual, I have a

1417
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:14,880
reputation that I need to uh keep in in

1418
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:16,240
the community. So, that's why I like to

1419
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:18,240
answer. So, if it's call the city and

1420
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:20,319
the law department, well, that's the

1421
00:57:20,319 --> 00:57:22,319
answer that I'll give them and it'll I

1422
00:57:22,319 --> 00:57:24,160
can point them to this meeting. It's on

1423
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:25,760
the record that I asked a question, but

1424
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:27,839
that's just, you know, for my own

1425
00:57:27,839 --> 00:57:29,680
personal understanding.

1426
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:32,240
>> Well, you drive by and check it out

1427
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:34,960
>> and then I got to call the city.

1428
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:37,359
>> And I could assure you if PENDOT does

1429
00:57:37,359 --> 00:57:39,359
not approve it, we're not building it.

1430
00:57:39,359 --> 00:57:42,549
So,

1431
00:57:42,559 --> 00:57:45,359
» I tried to use this as an example for

1432
00:57:45,359 --> 00:57:47,280
anything else that comes before us, who

1433
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:49,359
has come who has came before us because

1434
00:57:49,359 --> 00:57:50,720
I get asked the questions. I'm new to

1435
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:51,839
this. You know what I mean? I'm going to

1436
00:57:51,839 --> 00:57:53,280
be here for five years as long as I live

1437
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:54,799
in the city. So, I'm going to have a lot

1438
00:57:54,799 --> 00:57:58,630
of questions for everybody.

1439
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:01,280
» I make a motion

1440
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:04,400
>> with the stipulations.

1441
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:12,309
>> Second.

1442
00:58:12,319 --> 00:58:13,760
» Okay.

1443
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:14,960
>> Mr. McDerman.

1444
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:15,920
>> Yes.

1445
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:16,880
>> Mr. Morris.

1446
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:17,680
>> Yes.

1447
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:18,880
>> Mr. Welby.

1448
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:19,280
>> Yes.

1449
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:20,319
>> Mr. Matt Ev.

1450
00:58:20,319 --> 00:58:21,599
>> Yes. Hey, Mr. Wash.

1451
00:58:21,599 --> 00:58:23,280
>> Yes. Five to zero. You've been approved.

1452
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:23,839
Good luck.

1453
00:58:23,839 --> 00:58:27,349
>> Thank you very much.

1454
00:58:27,359 --> 00:58:30,880
» Can we call case number six, please?

1455
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:34,640
>> Case number six is six of Pittston LLC.

1456
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:36,559
Seeks variance to allow an impervious

1457
00:58:36,559 --> 00:58:40,000
cover of 95% of the lot area instead of

1458
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,799
the 75% lot coverage allowed to

1459
00:58:42,799 --> 00:58:45,920
construct an apartment building at 616

1460
00:58:45,920 --> 00:59:15,430
Pittston Avenue, R11 zone.

1461
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:18,870
You raise your right

1462
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:22,950
testimony today.

1463
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:25,680
» I do.

1464
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:35,430
>> Jordan Clark, C L A R K.

1465
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:38,319
» Um, just for the record, uh, apartment

1466
00:59:38,319 --> 00:59:40,960
buildings are allowed in an R1 zone. So,

1467
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:44,240
the use is allowed. The question Mr.

1468
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:46,559
Clark will answer is how many apartments

1469
00:59:46,559 --> 00:59:48,240
are there? How many parking spots are

1470
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:50,240
there? That kind of stuff.

1471
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:52,799
>> Yes. So, currently the client owns four

1472
00:59:52,799 --> 00:59:54,640
adjoining lots. What the plan would be

1473
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:56,799
is to demolish two of them are vacant, I

1474
00:59:56,799 --> 00:59:58,079
believe. Two of them have buildings on

1475
00:59:58,079 --> 00:59:59,680
them, one being where he operates his

1476
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:01,520
business. He'd like to demolish the

1477
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:03,680
buildings, do a lot consolidation, and

1478
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:06,079
construct a 24-unit apartment building.

1479
01:00:06,079 --> 01:00:08,160
Uh the building itself, conceptually

1480
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:11,839
designed, um would be 24 units. Um, and

1481
01:00:11,839 --> 01:00:13,680
the need for the variance would be

1482
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:15,359
simply to meet the off- streetet parking

1483
01:00:15,359 --> 01:00:17,440
requirements. So, it'll allow us to get

1484
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:21,200
24 parking spots um access through Chris

1485
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:24,640
Court of the rear. [clears throat] Um,

1486
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:27,119
and that would make the project viable.

1487
01:00:27,119 --> 01:00:29,119
Everything else is within um the zoning

1488
01:00:29,119 --> 01:00:31,119
regulations and ordinances.

1489
01:00:31,119 --> 01:00:33,040
>> So, how many parking spots do you have?

1490
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:33,599
>> 24.

1491
01:00:33,599 --> 01:00:34,480
>> You have 24.

1492
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:36,400
>> We would have 24. Yes. I think we could

1493
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:38,799
get a 25th, but again, we're conceptual

1494
01:00:38,799 --> 01:00:41,520
trying to get, you know, see if this is

1495
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:43,520
feasible.

1496
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:47,599
>> I count 24 and then the walkway, but one

1497
01:00:47,599 --> 01:00:50,720
of those the handicap spot has to also

1498
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:52,000
be van accessible.

1499
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:52,400
>> Yes.

1500
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:54,400
>> So, that's another 8 ft.

1501
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:58,000
>> Yes. That's shown striped.

1502
01:00:58,000 --> 01:00:59,119
>> I don't see it.

1503
01:00:59,119 --> 01:01:00,720
>> We also have we also have a dumpster

1504
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:03,680
enclosure shown. That's the walkway

1505
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:06,799
>> where the cross lines are.

1506
01:01:06,799 --> 01:01:07,760
>> Yes.

1507
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:10,400
>> Yeah. There's a sidewalk in front.

1508
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:13,670
>> So

1509
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:15,599
accessible spot.

1510
01:01:15,599 --> 01:01:18,079
>> So the van accessible would be say

1511
01:01:18,079 --> 01:01:20,400
number 14

1512
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:22,160
um closest to the building.

1513
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:24,000
>> Yes. Closest to the building for

1514
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:26,559
>> and then that with the lines through it.

1515
01:01:26,559 --> 01:01:29,119
That's a walkway sidewalk up to the

1516
01:01:29,119 --> 01:01:30,640
building.

1517
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:32,559
No, that's that's the clear area next to

1518
01:01:32,559 --> 01:01:33,760
the next to the vehicle parking.

1519
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:35,200
>> You got to have a walkway.

1520
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:37,280
>> Yeah, it would be curbless right onto

1521
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:39,520
the sidewalk. So, it would act as the

1522
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:40,960
walkway as well. It would be paved

1523
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:43,040
>> from the parking lot to the building.

1524
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:43,440
>> Yes.

1525
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:44,640
>> You have to have a walkway.

1526
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:45,599
>> Yes.

1527
01:01:45,599 --> 01:01:46,720
>> Where's that?

1528
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:48,000
>> That's shown right across the back of

1529
01:01:48,000 --> 01:02:06,470
the building.

1530
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:08,240
I think what he's trying to say, Jordan,

1531
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:09,599
how does he come from like the middle of

1532
01:02:09,599 --> 01:02:10,960
the parking lot into the back of the

1533
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:12,400
building? You actually have to come down

1534
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:13,520
to the side and then

1535
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:15,520
>> Oh, no.

1536
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:17,760
So, you basically take the picture all

1537
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:19,839
the way down

1538
01:02:19,839 --> 01:02:22,079
this

1539
01:02:22,079 --> 01:02:23,599
lobby.

1540
01:02:23,599 --> 01:02:25,280
So the tenants that come out the back

1541
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:26,720
any visitors where I think would have

1542
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:27,920
access from the front mail and

1543
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:28,960
everything.

1544
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:30,880
>> So how do they get where's the walkway

1545
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:32,799
is what he's saying into the parking lot

1546
01:02:32,799 --> 01:02:34,480
in the middle. So they come out of the

1547
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:34,720
back.

1548
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:37,280
>> You come off the middle.

1549
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:43,589
>> So this right here.

1550
01:02:43,599 --> 01:02:44,720
» So they're going to walk through the

1551
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:46,240
parking spaces to get to the

1552
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:48,480
>> walk up just like a normal parking. But

1553
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:50,640
I mean to say we could identify a

1554
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:52,000
parking area. I'm sure we can. Or

1555
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:54,079
walkway. I'm sure we can. Again, we're

1556
01:02:54,079 --> 01:02:55,599
just trying to meet the the requirements

1557
01:02:55,599 --> 01:02:58,160
of the ordinance. Now,

1558
01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:01,359
>> in the handouts you just gave us that I

1559
01:03:01,359 --> 01:03:05,359
believe has more parking spots than the

1560
01:03:05,359 --> 01:03:08,400
colored one. So, I'm not sure which one

1561
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:08,720
to look.

1562
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:10,240
>> Yeah, the site the site plans to scale

1563
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:11,680
that got kind of squished in the

1564
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:12,640
printing.

1565
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:15,119
>> Okay. Because I I just Yeah, that's a

1566
01:03:15,119 --> 01:03:15,839
conception.

1567
01:03:15,839 --> 01:03:17,520
>> The map doesn't add up. That's more of a

1568
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:19,359
conceptual rendering to see what what

1569
01:03:19,359 --> 01:03:21,440
the building and property the site just

1570
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:24,160
to try to try to make it more readable.

1571
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:26,559
But yes, there would be, you know, we

1572
01:03:26,559 --> 01:03:28,160
the need for the variance is to meet the

1573
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:30,400
parking requirements.

1574
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:32,240
>> What size are are these units going to

1575
01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:33,760
be apartment size?

1576
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:35,440
>> Uh, one and two bedroom.

1577
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:37,839
>> What square footage size?

1578
01:03:37,839 --> 01:03:42,640
>> Uh, anywhere from 600 to 800 about. So,

1579
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:44,319
the total gross building area would be

1580
01:03:44,319 --> 01:03:47,280
about 30,000 square feet, three stories.

1581
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:47,680
And

1582
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:49,359
>> one bedroom, two-bedroom units,

1583
01:03:49,359 --> 01:03:52,240
>> a mix.

1584
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:53,359
>> All right, I'm going to ask you

1585
01:03:53,359 --> 01:03:55,440
straight. Why can't you get a green

1586
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:57,599
space in there

1587
01:03:57,599 --> 01:03:59,200
>> to meet the parking requirement? I mean,

1588
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:00,799
we could probably shrink the building,

1589
01:04:00,799 --> 01:04:02,799
maybe do a less unit. Again, we haven't

1590
01:04:02,799 --> 01:04:04,079
really designed the full building yet

1591
01:04:04,079 --> 01:04:05,680
because we don't know if we can if we

1592
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:07,440
get the impervious coverage. I'm sure we

1593
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:10,400
can work out a lot of things.

1594
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:12,319
It might end up being 22 units once we

1595
01:04:12,319 --> 01:04:14,000
size a trash room appropriately, you

1596
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:18,559
know, but it would be no more than 24.

1597
01:04:18,559 --> 01:04:20,160
>> I don't care about the number of units.

1598
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:22,079
I just want green space. For you to get

1599
01:04:22,079 --> 01:04:26,799
95% of a lot that's what is it 150 by

1600
01:04:26,799 --> 01:04:27,760
150?

1601
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:30,960
>> 180 by 120 or 40, something like that.

1602
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:34,160
>> Something like that. Um I don't see why

1603
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:35,599
you can't design some kind of a green

1604
01:04:35,599 --> 01:04:39,200
space in there. and whether it be a

1605
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:41,200
place to sit or

1606
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:42,559
>> Yeah, we can certainly work some side of

1607
01:04:42,559 --> 01:04:44,240
the building, some small bench areas. Uh

1608
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:45,920
we have planners plan from the front of

1609
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:47,280
the building off Pittsson Avenue and

1610
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:48,720
across the rear of the building with a

1611
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:50,559
sidewalk where we're planning with a

1612
01:04:50,559 --> 01:04:53,359
walkway. Um I I think that's certainly

1613
01:04:53,359 --> 01:05:02,150
possible.

1614
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:03,680
Yeah, a small area to sit and wait for

1615
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:05,039
an Uber or something is certainly

1616
01:05:05,039 --> 01:05:07,910
doable.

1617
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:10,559
I see nothing in the design that other

1618
01:05:10,559 --> 01:05:13,440
than the little plantings across the

1619
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:16,400
front which are required

1620
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:19,839
and out back is purely a sidewalk up

1621
01:05:19,839 --> 01:05:21,520
against the building

1622
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:22,880
>> with planter and everything. Yeah, I

1623
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:24,319
mean off the corners of the building and

1624
01:05:24,319 --> 01:05:25,839
there's room on the sideyards too if we

1625
01:05:25,839 --> 01:05:27,760
wanted to do more green space there as

1626
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:29,200
well off the where the stair towers

1627
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:31,520
would be.

1628
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:33,200
>> Well, what is your plan to hold all this

1629
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:35,280
water? uh we'd meet the requirements of

1630
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:37,359
the PAWC. So more than likely it would

1631
01:05:37,359 --> 01:05:38,960
be an underground storage tank below the

1632
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:40,400
parking lot and it would slowly bleed

1633
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:41,920
back into the system. That's a shared

1634
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:44,960
system over there.

1635
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:46,000
So it would have to meet the

1636
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:50,480
requirements from the PAWC.

1637
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:52,319
Dan, I'm assuming this would have to go

1638
01:05:52,319 --> 01:05:53,839
in front of planning commission too,

1639
01:05:53,839 --> 01:05:54,799
right?

1640
01:05:54,799 --> 01:05:56,799
>> Absolutely. For certainly for the

1641
01:05:56,799 --> 01:05:59,760
drainage and other items. Yeah. And with

1642
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:01,520
the height with it being three stories,

1643
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:03,039
there's no height variance needed for

1644
01:06:03,039 --> 01:06:05,599
this.

1645
01:06:05,599 --> 01:06:08,240
>> Not that I'm [snorts] aware of.

1646
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:09,839
>> There's not.

1647
01:06:09,839 --> 01:06:11,599
>> I believe it's it's up in it probably.

1648
01:06:11,599 --> 01:06:15,039
>> No, we can go up to 40 ft. So it it

1649
01:06:15,039 --> 01:06:17,440
complies.

1650
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:19,599
>> So with even a 10ft ceiling height plus

1651
01:06:19,599 --> 01:06:21,280
the structure, I think we'd be no higher

1652
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:24,720
than 36 37 feet

1653
01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:27,039
at its most. and plus an elevator tower

1654
01:06:27,039 --> 01:06:36,230
poking through.

1655
01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:40,160
» So Jordan, you hear the concern of of uh

1656
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:42,640
Paul here. Uh so you're saying you can

1657
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:45,039
drop down a few units to uh maybe get us

1658
01:06:45,039 --> 01:06:46,799
like what size green space were you

1659
01:06:46,799 --> 01:06:48,240
thinking? Uh

1660
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:50,960
>> I I mean you're looking at 95%

1661
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:53,920
which I believe is just way way too

1662
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:55,359
much. Um,

1663
01:06:55,359 --> 01:06:58,960
>> yeah, it's currently 75 is the zoning.

1664
01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:01,119
>> Yeah, the ordinance says 75. He's he's

1665
01:07:01,119 --> 01:07:03,599
requesting 95. That is the one variance

1666
01:07:03,599 --> 01:07:05,280
that he's requesting here.

1667
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:08,559
>> That's that's my question is with all of

1668
01:07:08,559 --> 01:07:12,960
that land. Um, I don't agree with

1669
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:16,240
blacktapping the entire thing. That's

1670
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:19,520
you talking four properties

1671
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:24,400
and everything's going to be right

1672
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:25,280
just

1673
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:25,920
>> I I

1674
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:27,039
>> just myself but I I

1675
01:07:27,039 --> 01:07:29,760
>> we get into it if we drop to 23 units 20

1676
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:32,079
units that just frees up spots for green

1677
01:07:32,079 --> 01:07:33,839
space. I mean we just you know this

1678
01:07:33,839 --> 01:07:36,799
would be our maximum. I personally when

1679
01:07:36,799 --> 01:07:38,319
we design it, you know, when we get into

1680
01:07:38,319 --> 01:07:39,839
it, it might be less units. It might,

1681
01:07:39,839 --> 01:07:41,359
you know, once you get into amenity

1682
01:07:41,359 --> 01:07:43,119
space, a community room, things that are

1683
01:07:43,119 --> 01:07:45,119
just not worked out yet, you know, there

1684
01:07:45,119 --> 01:07:48,319
might be, if we plan for eight units a

1685
01:07:48,319 --> 01:07:49,760
floor, the first floor probably only

1686
01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:51,039
have four really. You know, it's

1687
01:07:51,039 --> 01:07:52,799
probably closer to 20 units in the end,

1688
01:07:52,799 --> 01:07:55,119
which frees up parking outside for green

1689
01:07:55,119 --> 01:07:57,760
space.

1690
01:07:57,760 --> 01:07:58,720
>> You know, you need at least

1691
01:07:58,720 --> 01:08:01,200
>> Jordan, if you could get it down to 75%

1692
01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:03,039
impervious coverage, you don't need to

1693
01:08:03,039 --> 01:08:06,390
be here at all.

1694
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:08,480
But to to meet the parking requirement,

1695
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:10,079
I I don't see how we're not going to

1696
01:08:10,079 --> 01:08:11,200
need up to

1697
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:13,359
>> right. I don't think you can get to 75.

1698
01:08:13,359 --> 01:08:14,720
>> I don't think we we will not we will not

1699
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:17,520
get to 75

1700
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:19,279
without with meeting the parking

1701
01:08:19,279 --> 01:08:22,400
requirements. So our our plan was rather

1702
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:24,640
than asking for a parking relief, ask

1703
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:26,159
for a lot coverage variance and we can

1704
01:08:26,159 --> 01:08:27,839
certainly work out landscaping and green

1705
01:08:27,839 --> 01:08:30,159
space when a total number of units was

1706
01:08:30,159 --> 01:08:35,030
decided. it would be no more than 24.

1707
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:37,600
That's, you know, roughly the maximum we

1708
01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:39,920
could possibly get in there. And again,

1709
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:41,839
that doesn't account for other other

1710
01:08:41,839 --> 01:08:45,040
areas the building needs

1711
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:46,880
to operate.

1712
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:48,960
>> Now, the the parking spots of course are

1713
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:50,159
9 by8.

1714
01:08:50,159 --> 01:08:54,709
>> Yes.

1715
01:08:54,719 --> 01:08:56,880
And the dumpster area is probably a

1716
01:08:56,880 --> 01:08:58,000
little oversized, but you know,

1717
01:08:58,000 --> 01:08:59,520
convenience of getting it out there,

1718
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:06,070
protecting it, accessibility.

1719
01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:07,199
This would have to go through a full

1720
01:09:07,199 --> 01:09:09,520
land development plan, correct?

1721
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:10,080
>> I'm sorry.

1722
01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:11,279
>> This would have to go through full land

1723
01:09:11,279 --> 01:09:12,400
development with the with the lot

1724
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:14,080
consolidation, everything. Correct. So,

1725
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:15,440
that's what we're planning on.

1726
01:09:15,440 --> 01:09:21,430
>> Yeah.

1727
01:09:21,440 --> 01:09:24,400
So, you're here tonight asking for the

1728
01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:28,550
90%

1729
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:31,759
95% prior to

1730
01:09:31,759 --> 01:09:33,679
having the lots combined into one.

1731
01:09:33,679 --> 01:09:35,440
Correct. This is your first condition.

1732
01:09:35,440 --> 01:09:37,679
>> This is is the project viable? If we can

1733
01:09:37,679 --> 01:09:39,920
get up to 95%,

1734
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:42,560
we can pull the project off. If we have

1735
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:43,839
to dial it back down, if there's a

1736
01:09:43,839 --> 01:09:45,679
certain percentage that's agreeable, you

1737
01:09:45,679 --> 01:09:47,440
know, we'll rework our program as we

1738
01:09:47,440 --> 01:09:48,799
begin to design the building. You know,

1739
01:09:48,799 --> 01:09:50,799
we didn't go too far in that until we

1740
01:09:50,799 --> 01:09:52,080
see there's an appetite to meet the

1741
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:53,759
parking requirements. I know there's

1742
01:09:53,759 --> 01:09:56,320
nowhere really to park down there, so

1743
01:09:56,320 --> 01:09:57,840
providing the parking would be, you

1744
01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:12,149
know, rather important to the tenants.

1745
01:10:12,159 --> 01:10:13,440
Is there anyone else here to give

1746
01:10:13,440 --> 01:10:16,800
testimony on this case?

1747
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:24,630
There is not

1748
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:27,280
with walking around there. I know the

1749
01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:29,280
neighborhood quite well. My family is

1750
01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:33,520
from Willow Street. Um

1751
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:36,719
I just cannot

1752
01:10:36,719 --> 01:10:38,640
see

1753
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:41,600
taking that entire place and hardcape

1754
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:44,480
it. I just don't agree that

1755
01:10:44,480 --> 01:10:48,080
the ordinance is there's reason for it

1756
01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:51,120
and if we don't follow that ordinance

1757
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:53,520
then

1758
01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:58,880
why why not? So I I mean

1759
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:01,520
I would be voting against that unless

1760
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:08,080
you can change the percentage from 90 to

1761
01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:12,550
less 80.

1762
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:14,400
We could try to work something out, but

1763
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:15,520
I mean there's there's a number that

1764
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:17,120
makes the project economically and

1765
01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:18,640
financially,

1766
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:20,560
you know, worth it to a developer as

1767
01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:22,320
well. So if if you dropped to like 20

1768
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:23,600
units like you said, [clears throat]

1769
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:25,040
what percentage do you think you would

1770
01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:25,760
be at?

1771
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:27,840
>> Well, if we dropped to 20 units, that's

1772
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:33,920
four parking spaces at 18 9 by 18* 4

1773
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:36,560
plus the aisle width. That's got to be

1774
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:38,880
five or 600 square f feet is lot

1775
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:42,080
coverage, which what are we 10,000

1776
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:44,159
square feet about?

1777
01:11:44,159 --> 01:11:46,719
I mean, it's got to be five or 6% at

1778
01:11:46,719 --> 01:11:49,360
least, if not more.

1779
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:51,760
So you'd be down to like 88% somewhere

1780
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:52,560
around there,

1781
01:11:52,560 --> 01:12:08,630
>> right?

1782
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:10,239
And when we get into the particulars, we

1783
01:12:10,239 --> 01:12:11,840
might end up getting a 92, we might end

1784
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:14,560
up being 89. It's just this is just a

1785
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:16,560
blanket concept. Drop it on the site.

1786
01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:19,840
Does it work? What do we need to get? Um

1787
01:12:19,840 --> 01:12:23,199
95 would certainly be no more than 95. I

1788
01:12:23,199 --> 01:12:25,600
think it'd be closer to 90 when the full

1789
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:30,550
calculations came out.

1790
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:32,630
[snorts]

1791
01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:35,360
If I'm looking at an apartment building

1792
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:38,800
and big, it's nice. Yes, you do good

1793
01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:41,600
work, but

1794
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:43,920
I want a green space. I want a place to

1795
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:46,880
go out and sit, a courtyard or whatever.

1796
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:50,239
And I think that's what we have to do in

1797
01:12:50,239 --> 01:12:52,320
order to follow the ordinance.

1798
01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:53,920
>> I've got no issue trying to work that

1799
01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:56,719
into I think I mean off the top of my

1800
01:12:56,719 --> 01:13:00,159
head dropping two or three units freeze

1801
01:13:00,159 --> 01:13:02,159
up

1802
01:13:02,159 --> 01:13:08,070
here.

1803
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:13,910
It's just a number of units.

1804
01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:16,800
» Did you

1805
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:19,280
So if that translates to 90% you know we

1806
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:20,719
could certainly agree to that

1807
01:13:20,719 --> 01:13:22,400
>> down to 20 units and freeze up those

1808
01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:24,080
four park spots on that side to have a

1809
01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:27,669
courtyard

1810
01:13:27,679 --> 01:13:34,070
that's you think that's

1811
01:13:34,080 --> 01:13:36,400
» Jordan you think you can work at at 85%

1812
01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:39,679
and get it done

1813
01:13:39,679 --> 01:13:41,679
>> if that's the maximum we could get then

1814
01:13:41,679 --> 01:13:43,840
probably we'll have to it'll be you know

1815
01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:45,679
we'll have to play the game how many

1816
01:13:45,679 --> 01:13:50,159
units for versus law coverage. I think

1817
01:13:50,159 --> 01:13:52,560
you know we are asking. So I think

1818
01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:53,760
there's somewhere we could meet in the

1819
01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:59,189
middle and everybody's happy.

1820
01:13:59,199 --> 01:14:00,480
» Dan, I think we're going to we're going

1821
01:14:00,480 --> 01:14:07,510
to make it a stipulation 85% max with the green space

1822
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:09,679
» dropped down to 20 units.

1823
01:14:09,679 --> 01:14:10,560
>> Well, whatever it comes out

1824
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:12,320
>> whatever he can fit with the 85%

1825
01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:14,640
>> whatever comes out depend. So, yes, we

1826
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:16,239
would meet the parking requirements for

1827
01:14:16,239 --> 01:14:18,560
however many we can fit with the after

1828
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:20,719
we deduct for the green space.

1829
01:14:20,719 --> 01:14:23,120
>> Maybe it's 19, maybe it's 21. I mean,

1830
01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:23,520
>> right.

1831
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:25,120
>> But I think that's that's more than

1832
01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:25,679
fair.

1833
01:14:25,679 --> 01:14:27,920
>> Okay.

1834
01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:33,920
Back to the drawings. Um, with the

1835
01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:36,159
Now, we just got these today, so you

1836
01:14:36,159 --> 01:14:40,880
know, um, with the front setback, um, we

1837
01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:43,280
got a 10-ft setback. Is that from the

1838
01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:45,360
sidewalk in or is that from the curb to

1839
01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:45,920
the building

1840
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:47,679
>> property line? So that's right inside

1841
01:14:47,679 --> 01:14:51,990
the sidewalk.

1842
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:53,760
» And of course they'd redo the sidewalk

1843
01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:55,360
cuz I'm sure they'd inevitably dig it

1844
01:14:55,360 --> 01:15:09,990
up, but so that would all be new.

1845
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:12,159
Wait a moment.

1846
01:15:12,159 --> 01:15:13,520
stipulations.

1847
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:19,669
>> I make a motion with the stipulations.

1848
01:15:19,679 --> 01:15:22,640
>> Second.

1849
01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:24,080
>> Mr. McD.

1850
01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:25,440
>> Yes.

1851
01:15:25,440 --> 01:15:26,480
>> Mr. Morris.

1852
01:15:26,480 --> 01:15:27,760
>> Yes.

1853
01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:28,800
>> Mr. Wilby.

1854
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:30,080
>> Yes.

1855
01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:31,199
>> Mr. Mattyage.

1856
01:15:31,199 --> 01:15:32,080
>> Yes.

1857
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:33,199
>> And Mr. Walsh.

1858
01:15:33,199 --> 01:15:34,880
>> Yes. Vote of five to zero. You You've

1859
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:36,320
been approved. Good luck with the

1860
01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:36,719
project.

1861
01:15:36,719 --> 01:15:38,880
>> That's approved with the 85% charge.

1862
01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:52,310
>> 85%. Any green space?

1863
01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:54,960
Uh, can we get case number seven?

1864
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:57,600
>> Case number seven. Steve Serge seeks

1865
01:15:57,600 --> 01:15:59,520
variance to operate a vehicle sales

1866
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:02,080
facility at 420

1867
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:08,470
and 422 North Main Avenue in Enzone.

1868
01:16:08,480 --> 01:16:15,510
» Hello.

1869
01:16:15,520 --> 01:16:17,679
I do.

1870
01:16:17,679 --> 01:16:21,360
>> Sure. Stephen with a ph s e p h e n.

1871
01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:26,390
Serge s e er g e.

1872
01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:29,360
Uh good evening. Um my father and I uh

1873
01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:31,360
Mr. Ray Serge sitting over there. Uh as

1874
01:16:31,360 --> 01:16:33,760
you may or may not know we own Serge's

1875
01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:36,239
barber shop. uh been a good commu member

1876
01:16:36,239 --> 01:16:38,400
of the community in Westside for uh

1877
01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:40,800
going on four actually over four going

1878
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:43,760
on five decades. Uh we rec recently

1879
01:16:43,760 --> 01:16:48,000
acquired uh 420 422 uh as an investment

1880
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:50,480
property. Um we purchased the property a

1881
01:16:50,480 --> 01:16:53,040
year ago. Uh we went through the proper

1882
01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:54,560
procedure to bring everything up to

1883
01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:57,440
code. uh had the city come in, NEIC,

1884
01:16:57,440 --> 01:16:59,679
gave us the recommendations,

1885
01:16:59,679 --> 01:17:02,159
um uh did the required work, uh

1886
01:17:02,159 --> 01:17:05,360
permitted uh by the uh by the uh proper

1887
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:06,880
contractors,

1888
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:09,840
um uh uh got approved for our occupancy

1889
01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:12,880
permits, and uh my background, I'm not a

1890
01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:14,640
barber. I was the stupid one who went in

1891
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:17,520
the car business. Uh but, uh uh I have a

1892
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:19,199
strong background in the car business.

1893
01:17:19,199 --> 01:17:21,040
I'm still active with a location up in

1894
01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:23,120
Blakeley. uh and I also do some

1895
01:17:23,120 --> 01:17:25,760
consulting and with the um the car

1896
01:17:25,760 --> 01:17:28,000
business is moving in such an online

1897
01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:31,280
direction the need for a huge facility

1898
01:17:31,280 --> 01:17:33,840
like Motorworld or Toyota Scranton

1899
01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:35,520
especially for a small independent

1900
01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:38,239
becomes less and less each day. Um I'm

1901
01:17:38,239 --> 01:17:40,320
sure if you've watched TV in the last uh

1902
01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:42,400
six years during COVID you've seen a

1903
01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:44,719
commercial for Carvana but I'm sure

1904
01:17:44,719 --> 01:17:46,560
nobody here could tell me where Carvana

1905
01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:48,880
is located. Um, and that's actually how

1906
01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:52,400
we want to operate 420 and 422. Uh, we'd

1907
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:54,239
actually like to put two car dealerships

1908
01:17:54,239 --> 01:17:58,960
there. Um, uh, recognizing the, uh,

1909
01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:01,360
state requirements, uh, for display

1910
01:18:01,360 --> 01:18:05,280
areas, uh, the 420, uh, or I'm sorry,

1911
01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:09,520
yeah, uh, 420 would, uh, utilize the,

1912
01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:12,159
uh, rear parking of the building for an

1913
01:18:12,159 --> 01:18:14,239
outside display area, which is a minimum

1914
01:18:14,239 --> 01:18:18,320
parking for five cars. Uh 422

1915
01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:21,360
would utilize the indoor display area

1916
01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:23,520
which is allowed by the state um

1917
01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:25,760
inspected at the time of licensing and

1918
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:28,640
checked on regularly. Um the front of

1919
01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:32,320
the building um would allow for uh uh

1920
01:18:32,320 --> 01:18:35,199
two to three uh customer cars including

1921
01:18:35,199 --> 01:18:38,640
um uh a handicap spot. Um we have no

1922
01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:40,560
intention on displaying any cars out

1923
01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:42,640
front. the front of the building six

1924
01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:44,480
months from now if this is approved will

1925
01:18:44,480 --> 01:18:46,239
look no different than it does now other

1926
01:18:46,239 --> 01:18:49,199
than a small sign in the window and uh

1927
01:18:49,199 --> 01:18:52,960
that's why we're here.

1928
01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:54,960
>> Well, what's the reason for for two car

1929
01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:57,360
dealerships? I'm not understanding that.

1930
01:18:57,360 --> 01:18:59,120
>> Invest I have two investors who are

1931
01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:01,520
interested in leasing the places.

1932
01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:02,800
>> So, you're not going to operate this

1933
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:03,120
year?

1934
01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:04,800
>> I might take one depending on, you know,

1935
01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:06,159
if the if the approval goes, I might

1936
01:19:06,159 --> 01:19:08,400
move my location from from Blakeley uh

1937
01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:10,159
down to here. I mean, regardless, uh,

1938
01:19:10,159 --> 01:19:12,640
you know, an LLC still has to be set up,

1939
01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:15,600
uh, etc., etc., but, uh, uh, I may take

1940
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:18,960
the 422 side and then lease out the 420

1941
01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:22,070
side.

1942
01:19:22,080 --> 01:19:24,159
» So, w with both sides, you you have

1943
01:19:24,159 --> 01:19:27,520
enough for the PENDOT regulations to

1944
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:30,320
>> Yeah, we have I I have and show them

1945
01:19:30,320 --> 01:19:31,120
inside.

1946
01:19:31,120 --> 01:19:32,560
>> Yeah, correct. Yeah, I have I have no

1947
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:34,480
choice in that matter. You know, if once

1948
01:19:34,480 --> 01:19:36,320
you say yes, I still got to jump through

1949
01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:38,640
the hoops with them. uh you know and and

1950
01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:40,560
again having done this for 25 years I

1951
01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:42,159
know you know I know I know what to

1952
01:19:42,159 --> 01:19:44,159
expect and what not to expect and and if

1953
01:19:44,159 --> 01:19:46,800
I didn't think it was possible and uh

1954
01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:48,800
and a and a positive use for the

1955
01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:50,159
building I wouldn't be here right now

1956
01:19:50,159 --> 01:19:52,880
>> and and for parking for employees and

1957
01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:55,440
customers you have some spots in the

1958
01:19:55,440 --> 01:19:58,320
front Yeah. for you you you probably

1959
01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:00,880
have some agreement to utilize going

1960
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:03,520
down the spot between uh Dr. Ross's

1961
01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:05,360
office and the shop and in the back of

1962
01:20:05,360 --> 01:20:06,000
the shop.

1963
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:07,760
>> Exactly. I mean, our our our footprint

1964
01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:10,080
on that city block, we actually have the

1965
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:13,520
second largest parking available uh uh

1966
01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:15,360
other than the six-pack store where the

1967
01:20:15,360 --> 01:20:16,960
old Wendy's used to be. I mean,

1968
01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:19,040
technically speaking, if you look at our

1969
01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:21,040
footprint between the barber shop next

1970
01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:23,520
to Dr. Ross is the back and that we

1971
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:25,679
actually have parking for 35 cars and

1972
01:20:25,679 --> 01:20:27,520
but we have no intention on putting 35

1973
01:20:27,520 --> 01:20:27,840
cars.

1974
01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:29,280
>> Thank you. That's just just a question.

1975
01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:30,880
Parking Park has been one of the issues.

1976
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:32,000
So,

1977
01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:33,280
>> there's a lot going on up here. I

1978
01:20:33,280 --> 01:20:35,265
appreciate you bringing that up.

1979
01:20:35,265 --> 01:20:36,960
>> [laughter]

1980
01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:39,040
>> Steve with the in the back we got that

1981
01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:43,120
open area. Um it appears that is there

1982
01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:46,239
driving through that to access the next

1983
01:20:46,239 --> 01:20:48,080
property or do they access from the

1984
01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:49,120
rear?

1985
01:20:49,120 --> 01:20:51,920
>> No. Well, so do you have I did I did do

1986
01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:53,920
a small print out that I submitted with

1987
01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:55,199
the application. Do you happen to Okay.

1988
01:20:55,199 --> 01:20:57,760
So, so, so where you see the the the

1989
01:20:57,760 --> 01:21:00,159
five cars parked, that would be the

1990
01:21:00,159 --> 01:21:05,920
display area for um uh for the 420 uh uh

1991
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:09,040
suite, if you will. The uh display area

1992
01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:12,480
for 422 would actually be indoors. So,

1993
01:21:12,480 --> 01:21:13,679
you know, naturally, I can't show that

1994
01:21:13,679 --> 01:21:15,840
from an aerial view, but the the indoor

1995
01:21:15,840 --> 01:21:19,120
display area actually fits six cars. The

1996
01:21:19,120 --> 01:21:21,520
state of Pennsylvania requires f display

1997
01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:25,360
area for five cars for um for a PA

1998
01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:26,560
dealer's license.

1999
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:29,040
>> Is that in the back of the business?

2000
01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:30,719
>> Uh well, there's a there's a garage door

2001
01:21:30,719 --> 01:21:32,400
in the in in the back. Correct. Yeah.

2002
01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:37,120
And even with the five cars there, there will still be enough room for uh

2003
01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:39,040
you know, an operator to park one or two

2004
01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:41,199
cars there, daily driven, and still be

2005
01:21:41,199 --> 01:21:43,440
able to access inside the uh inside the

2006
01:21:43,440 --> 01:21:45,199
garage into the display area.

2007
01:21:45,199 --> 01:21:46,880
>> And the back building, what is that?

2008
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:48,719
>> I'm sorry. the back building. Is that

2009
01:21:48,719 --> 01:21:50,080
something you will be using or

2010
01:21:50,080 --> 01:21:53,360
>> No, no, no. The uh uh the building uh

2011
01:21:53,360 --> 01:21:55,040
behind where those cars are on that

2012
01:21:55,040 --> 01:21:56,800
little map, that's that's not our

2013
01:21:56,800 --> 01:21:57,120
property.

2014
01:21:57,120 --> 01:21:58,159
>> Okay. Yeah. Okay.

2015
01:21:58,159 --> 01:22:01,350
>> Yep.

2016
01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:02,960
» So, where are the people that work in

2017
01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:05,520
the other unit going to park

2018
01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:06,560
>> that work where

2019
01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:09,440
>> that work in the other suite? Well, I

2020
01:22:09,440 --> 01:22:10,880
mean these are really these are really

2021
01:22:10,880 --> 01:22:14,000
set up for a to again with the online

2022
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:16,719
model to not only work remotely but for

2023
01:22:16,719 --> 01:22:19,120
the for the for when they are there uh

2024
01:22:19,120 --> 01:22:20,880
which would be limited times. I mean

2025
01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:22,480
these are really set up with a fivecar

2026
01:22:22,480 --> 01:22:23,840
display. You're really an owner

2027
01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:25,760
operator. You're really only going to be

2028
01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:26,400
one person.

2029
01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:28,080
>> And then where is the customers park?

2030
01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:29,520
>> Out front.

2031
01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:30,560
>> There's parking in the front of the

2032
01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:30,800
building.

2033
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:31,840
>> There is correct. Yes.

2034
01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:33,440
>> How many spots are in the front? Uh

2035
01:22:33,440 --> 01:22:35,199
well, it's the it's almost the same

2036
01:22:35,199 --> 01:22:37,280
distance as the as the rear of the

2037
01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:38,880
property, which means I mean technically

2038
01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:41,120
I could probably shoehorn four, but the

2039
01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:43,199
state actually would only require one

2040
01:22:43,199 --> 01:22:47,120
handicap spot and then one uh one retail

2041
01:22:47,120 --> 01:22:49,040
spot per suite. So technically speaking,

2042
01:22:49,040 --> 01:22:51,280
I only need three spots to comply with

2043
01:22:51,280 --> 01:22:54,950
the state

2044
01:22:54,960 --> 01:22:57,199
» and they back right out the main avenue.

2045
01:22:57,199 --> 01:22:57,840
>> I'm sorry.

2046
01:22:57,840 --> 01:22:59,280
>> They back out to Main Avenue,

2047
01:22:59,280 --> 01:23:03,030
>> correct? Yep.

2048
01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:05,360
My measurements are from the building to

2049
01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:08,080
the curb 25 ft. Of course, you need 18

2050
01:23:08,080 --> 01:23:09,040
for a spot.

2051
01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:09,600
>> Correct.

2052
01:23:09,600 --> 01:23:11,600
>> Without blocking the sidewalk,

2053
01:23:11,600 --> 01:23:12,159
>> correct?

2054
01:23:12,159 --> 01:23:13,600
>> As a long truck.

2055
01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:14,639
>> Yep.

2056
01:23:14,639 --> 01:23:15,760
>> Yeah. I mean, in natur I mean, if

2057
01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:17,199
someone came with a larger vehicle,

2058
01:23:17,199 --> 01:23:18,560
again, I mean, they could utilize the

2059
01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:19,920
barber shop, they could still park

2060
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:21,440
behind the building, but uh, you know,

2061
01:23:21,440 --> 01:23:23,840
the bare the bare minimum up front, you

2062
01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:25,040
know, the front of the building for

2063
01:23:25,040 --> 01:23:29,040
retail parking uh will suffice.

2064
01:23:29,040 --> 01:23:31,199
And again, as I mentioned, uh, you know,

2065
01:23:31,199 --> 01:23:33,040
if if approved, you know, the state

2066
01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:35,440
comes in, they inspect both suite suites

2067
01:23:35,440 --> 01:23:37,040
to make sure that they meet, they comply

2068
01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:40,159
with all PA dealer laws. Um, uh, photos

2069
01:23:40,159 --> 01:23:42,320
have to be sent. Uh, you know, tenants

2070
01:23:42,320 --> 01:23:44,000
even receive a background check. I won't

2071
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:45,520
bore you with the details about, you

2072
01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:47,040
know, getting someone in there that's,

2073
01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:49,199
uh, of good nature and stuff like that.

2074
01:23:49,199 --> 01:23:52,800
and they come back for uh there's no set

2075
01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:55,520
uh structure but uh you typically annual

2076
01:23:55,520 --> 01:23:57,920
to buy annual inspections uh to make

2077
01:23:57,920 --> 01:23:59,120
sure that you're comply you know that

2078
01:23:59,120 --> 01:24:01,040
your facility is complying with the with

2079
01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:05,040
the dealer law dealer law. So it's not oh yes you're good and then it

2080
01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:06,800
turns into the wild wild west. You got

2081
01:24:06,800 --> 01:24:09,520
to play by the rules.

2082
01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:11,280
>> Will there be any like working on the

2083
01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:13,520
cars besides besides cleaning them and

2084
01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:15,199
>> No, just general detailing and stuff

2085
01:24:15,199 --> 01:24:16,800
like that. That's it. That's it. And

2086
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:18,080
like I said, our intention is actually

2087
01:24:18,080 --> 01:24:19,920
really to put no cars there. I mean,

2088
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:21,679
this is again going with I mean, you

2089
01:24:21,679 --> 01:24:24,639
know, we can't I know you can't uh weigh

2090
01:24:24,639 --> 01:24:26,159
your decision strictly on that because

2091
01:24:26,159 --> 01:24:27,600
naturally if we ever sold the building

2092
01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:29,600
and stuff like that, you know, uh you

2093
01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:30,880
know, I'm I'm telling you we wanted to

2094
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:32,639
go with an online business model. You

2095
01:24:32,639 --> 01:24:34,880
know, maybe the next guy won't, but our

2096
01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:36,400
intention isn't to put really have any

2097
01:24:36,400 --> 01:24:37,840
cars there. You know, the business is

2098
01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:39,840
set up now where, you know, if you were

2099
01:24:39,840 --> 01:24:42,800
interested in a, you know, 2024 Toyota

2100
01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:45,600
RAV 4, I could email you photos from the

2101
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:47,520
auction, purchase the car, and have it

2102
01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:49,120
delivered right to your address, just

2103
01:24:49,120 --> 01:24:50,719
like Carvana. That's the way the, you

2104
01:24:50,719 --> 01:24:52,800
know, the this industry has been headed.

2105
01:24:52,800 --> 01:24:54,159
And and it's kind of neat. It's

2106
01:24:54,159 --> 01:25:00,870
exciting, you know,

2107
01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:02,320
» and it would put some life into the

2108
01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:03,280
vacant buildings there.

2109
01:25:03,280 --> 01:25:05,440
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I hate to say, but

2110
01:25:05,440 --> 01:25:06,880
the life will be minimal because, like I

2111
01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:08,880
said, it's not going to really have a a

2112
01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:11,280
huge impact on the uh uh on the uh on

2113
01:25:11,280 --> 01:25:12,719
the neighborhood, but but it will prompt

2114
01:25:12,719 --> 01:25:13,920
us to, you know, put some more money

2115
01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:16,080
into the building, spruce it up. You

2116
01:25:16,080 --> 01:25:17,760
know, I know you mentioned uh uh

2117
01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:19,360
lighting and cameras with the other

2118
01:25:19,360 --> 01:25:20,560
businesses. You know, we already have

2119
01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:22,159
that with the barber shop. Naturally, we

2120
01:25:22,159 --> 01:25:23,520
would be doing that with this as well,

2121
01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:29,510
too, and stuff like that. So, yep.

2122
01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:31,199
um whatever lighting you're putting up,

2123
01:25:31,199 --> 01:25:34,239
you know, shaded so we don't reflect the

2124
01:25:34,239 --> 01:25:35,440
neighbors properties. Oh,

2125
01:25:35,440 --> 01:25:36,960
>> of course. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

2126
01:25:36,960 --> 01:25:38,400
I mean, technically speaking, our uh you

2127
01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:40,159
know, our neighbors over on that side

2128
01:25:40,159 --> 01:25:41,600
are are are all commercial, but yeah.

2129
01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:43,040
yeah, we you know, again, we

2130
01:25:43,040 --> 01:25:44,480
want to be good neighbors with everybody

2131
01:25:44,480 --> 01:25:46,560
without a doubt. Yep. As we have been

2132
01:25:46,560 --> 01:25:56,070
for 40 plus years.

2133
01:25:56,080 --> 01:25:57,520
» Is there anyone here to give testimony

2134
01:25:57,520 --> 01:25:59,920
on this case?

2135
01:25:59,920 --> 01:26:02,560
There is not.

2136
01:26:02,560 --> 01:26:04,239
I'll make a motion.

2137
01:26:04,239 --> 01:26:07,199
>> I'll second it.

2138
01:26:07,199 --> 01:26:08,480
>> Mr. McDermott.

2139
01:26:08,480 --> 01:26:09,840
>> Yes.

2140
01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:11,120
>> Mr. Morris?

2141
01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:11,679
>> Yes.

2142
01:26:11,679 --> 01:26:12,800
>> Mr. Willby?

2143
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:13,360
>> Yes.

2144
01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:14,400
>> Mr. Matt Evvich?

2145
01:26:14,400 --> 01:26:14,880
>> Yes.

2146
01:26:14,880 --> 01:26:15,840
>> And Mr. Walsh?

2147
01:26:15,840 --> 01:26:17,360
>> Yes. Vote of five to zero. You've been

2148
01:26:17,360 --> 01:26:18,159
approved.

2149
01:26:18,159 --> 01:26:19,280
>> Gentlemen, thank you.

2150
01:26:19,280 --> 01:26:28,709
>> Good luck.

2151
01:26:28,719 --> 01:26:30,000
Okay, what do we got?

2152
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:32,400
>> Call case number eight, please.

2153
01:26:32,400 --> 01:26:34,239
>> Case number eight is Robert Franklin

2154
01:26:34,239 --> 01:26:36,400
seeks variance to construct a storage

2155
01:26:36,400 --> 01:26:57,030
shed at 621 Deacon Street in R9 zone.

2156
01:26:57,040 --> 01:27:50,950
I see.

2157
01:27:50,960 --> 01:27:54,470
I do.

2158
01:27:54,480 --> 01:27:57,520
» Go ahead. You go, please.

2159
01:27:57,520 --> 01:28:01,600
>> Robert Franklin, R O B E R T. F R A N K

2160
01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:04,480
L I N.

2161
01:28:04,480 --> 01:28:07,199
>> Matthew Mandola, professional land

2162
01:28:07,199 --> 01:28:14,719
surveyor, M-at T. H E W M D O L A

2163
01:28:14,719 --> 01:28:17,600
Good evening to all. Um my name is

2164
01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:18,880
Matthew Mandola, professional land

2165
01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:21,440
surveyor from Menan Associates. Uh here

2166
01:28:21,440 --> 01:28:26,080
tonight, um representing my client, uh

2167
01:28:26,080 --> 01:28:29,440
the owner is Bob Franklin for REF Realy

2168
01:28:29,440 --> 01:28:31,440
LLC.

2169
01:28:31,440 --> 01:28:34,400
Um what I provided in front of everyone

2170
01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:36,480
is a

2171
01:28:36,480 --> 01:28:40,000
proposed lot consolidation plan uh that

2172
01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:42,960
looks to consolidate both existing

2173
01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:48,400
properties. Parcel 46 uh that is a um a

2174
01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:53,120
vacant piece of land and parcel 48

2175
01:28:53,120 --> 01:28:56,480
that's an existing uh ice cream stand

2176
01:28:56,480 --> 01:29:00,400
with a room for a party in the back. Um

2177
01:29:00,400 --> 01:29:04,080
what we're looking to do is propose a

2178
01:29:04,080 --> 01:29:07,360
proposed uh poleb barn uh that will

2179
01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:11,280
service as a storage unit uh for party

2180
01:29:11,280 --> 01:29:14,480
supplies and things like that uh for for

2181
01:29:14,480 --> 01:29:16,880
the building itself. A little bit

2182
01:29:16,880 --> 01:29:19,760
history of this parcel is uh my client

2183
01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:21,760
was here three or four years ago and

2184
01:29:21,760 --> 01:29:23,840
received approval from converting the

2185
01:29:23,840 --> 01:29:27,199
old Legion building into an ice cream

2186
01:29:27,199 --> 01:29:29,280
standpart.

2187
01:29:29,280 --> 01:29:32,239
um building. We're looking to continue

2188
01:29:32,239 --> 01:29:36,159
that use. Um I he right now he already

2189
01:29:36,159 --> 01:29:40,000
has uh the permits aligned uh approved

2190
01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:41,840
for the specifications of the pole barn

2191
01:29:41,840 --> 01:29:44,639
height and all that good stuff. Um so

2192
01:29:44,639 --> 01:29:48,239
that's not an issue at all. Um if we did

2193
01:29:48,239 --> 01:29:50,320
get the lock consolidation already

2194
01:29:50,320 --> 01:29:51,679
approved, this wouldn't even be an issue

2195
01:29:51,679 --> 01:29:53,280
at all. I wouldn't be in front of you.

2196
01:29:53,280 --> 01:29:55,360
Uh I believe he wants to get started on

2197
01:29:55,360 --> 01:29:58,400
the uh pole barn as soon as possible.

2198
01:29:58,400 --> 01:30:00,000
That's why we're here before you

2199
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:02,400
tonight. But I would just like to say

2200
01:30:02,400 --> 01:30:04,400
and reinforce that we are looking to do

2201
01:30:04,400 --> 01:30:06,480
a lot consolidation where we wouldn't

2202
01:30:06,480 --> 01:30:10,080
even need uh special exception or use

2203
01:30:10,080 --> 01:30:15,030
for this project.

2204
01:30:15,040 --> 01:30:17,360
» I guess if we looking at these plans and

2205
01:30:17,360 --> 01:30:19,600
we give approval and you don't get the

2206
01:30:19,600 --> 01:30:21,600
lot line adjustments, that's on you.

2207
01:30:21,600 --> 01:30:24,629
>> Correct.

2208
01:30:24,639 --> 01:30:25,920
There should be no issue with the lot

2209
01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:28,480
consolidation from a technical

2210
01:30:28,480 --> 01:30:31,280
standpoint. Um, we're meeting all

2211
01:30:31,280 --> 01:30:34,480
setbacks, all area. There's a big

2212
01:30:34,480 --> 01:30:36,960
asphalt uh parking lot there, so there's

2213
01:30:36,960 --> 01:30:40,560
no issues with driveway or parking.

2214
01:30:40,560 --> 01:30:43,440
>> So, what lot consolidations are we

2215
01:30:43,440 --> 01:30:46,320
looking at? You have the main place now

2216
01:30:46,320 --> 01:30:49,840
and the parking lot and the grassy area

2217
01:30:49,840 --> 01:30:52,480
that has the stockade fence.

2218
01:30:52,480 --> 01:30:54,000
>> Yeah. When I when I purchased that

2219
01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:55,760
property Yeah.

2220
01:30:55,760 --> 01:30:58,000
>> When when we purchased that property, it

2221
01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:00,560
came with the main building and those

2222
01:31:00,560 --> 01:31:02,960
two lots, everything together. And when

2223
01:31:02,960 --> 01:31:05,760
I purchased it, it was one deed and I

2224
01:31:05,760 --> 01:31:07,760
thought it was all under one. But when I

2225
01:31:07,760 --> 01:31:09,760
put the application in for the permit,

2226
01:31:09,760 --> 01:31:12,080
Don King emailed me back and said that

2227
01:31:12,080 --> 01:31:14,719
it's three separate PIN numbers on one

2228
01:31:14,719 --> 01:31:17,280
deed. So I didn't. So then they said I

2229
01:31:17,280 --> 01:31:19,040
it'd be easier for me just to try to get

2230
01:31:19,040 --> 01:31:21,040
the special exception to have

2231
01:31:21,040 --> 01:31:22,800
everything, you know, to give me the

2232
01:31:22,800 --> 01:31:24,639
approval. And then I hired Menon

2233
01:31:24,639 --> 01:31:25,920
Associates. They're actually

2234
01:31:25,920 --> 01:31:27,360
consolidating everything now. They're

2235
01:31:27,360 --> 01:31:29,679
already in the process. So I've already,

2236
01:31:29,679 --> 01:31:31,040
you know, they're already a month into

2237
01:31:31,040 --> 01:31:33,440
the work to just to remove that line,

2238
01:31:33,440 --> 01:31:35,520
which because I'm I'm good. I may meet

2239
01:31:35,520 --> 01:31:38,320
the 20 feet in the front, six feet on

2240
01:31:38,320 --> 01:31:40,800
the side. I've no problem. I think it's

2241
01:31:40,800 --> 01:31:43,360
26 feet in the back, which or I forgot

2242
01:31:43,360 --> 01:31:45,040
exactly what that was, but we're good in

2243
01:31:45,040 --> 01:31:47,040
the back. The the only problem we have

2244
01:31:47,040 --> 01:31:49,679
is right next to our own property now,

2245
01:31:49,679 --> 01:31:51,679
which he's going to remove the line,

2246
01:31:51,679 --> 01:31:54,400
consolidate, and then we're good.

2247
01:31:54,400 --> 01:31:56,000
>> That's where those two orange pegs are

2248
01:31:56,000 --> 01:31:57,920
starting in the in the front there. The

2249
01:31:57,920 --> 01:31:58,480
two

2250
01:31:58,480 --> 01:31:59,679
>> section the stockade.

2251
01:31:59,679 --> 01:32:03,199
>> Yeah. Those two orange pegs is where it's going to start. Yeah. Which

2252
01:32:03,199 --> 01:32:05,120
is I'm 20 ft from the inside of the

2253
01:32:05,120 --> 01:32:06,320
>> inside of the pegs. And that's what the

2254
01:32:06,320 --> 01:32:07,440
two orange pegs are going to go.

2255
01:32:07,440 --> 01:32:08,239
Straight down.

2256
01:32:08,239 --> 01:32:09,840
>> Straight down. Yeah. And I'm going to

2257
01:32:09,840 --> 01:32:12,320
remove those. We only put those those

2258
01:32:12,320 --> 01:32:14,080
fences up just to block the neighbor

2259
01:32:14,080 --> 01:32:15,840
because of what they had in their

2260
01:32:15,840 --> 01:32:17,520
backyard just so we would people having

2261
01:32:17,520 --> 01:32:18,719
parties weren't looking at that.

2262
01:32:18,719 --> 01:32:20,400
>> That double white house going down the

2263
01:32:20,400 --> 01:32:21,840
street.

2264
01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:23,440
>> So, you said this building was strictly

2265
01:32:23,440 --> 01:32:25,120
for storage purposes

2266
01:32:25,120 --> 01:32:27,120
>> for now. Yes. And then what I'm going to

2267
01:32:27,120 --> 01:32:29,679
do is um we have like we have like baby

2268
01:32:29,679 --> 01:32:31,760
showers, birthday parties, and stuff

2269
01:32:31,760 --> 01:32:33,360
like that. So, for now, we're just going

2270
01:32:33,360 --> 01:32:36,239
to use it for our storage. And then down

2271
01:32:36,239 --> 01:32:38,880
the road, we may um if we have like an

2272
01:32:38,880 --> 01:32:40,880
overflow of parties, just you know, for

2273
01:32:40,880 --> 01:32:42,880
it's only kids parties and baby showers.

2274
01:32:42,880 --> 01:32:45,120
We're not like like we have no liquor

2275
01:32:45,120 --> 01:32:46,719
license. We don't sell alcohol. It's

2276
01:32:46,719 --> 01:32:48,880
just mainly kids come in, have a party,

2277
01:32:48,880 --> 01:32:52,080
ice cream, and that's so if we wanted to

2278
01:32:52,080 --> 01:32:53,520
use that for that, I would just go to

2279
01:32:53,520 --> 01:32:55,360
the city and ask them.

2280
01:32:55,360 --> 01:32:58,639
>> It's a closedin pole barn versus an open

2281
01:32:58,639 --> 01:33:00,800
>> in the front, garage door in the side,

2282
01:33:00,800 --> 01:33:02,639
and there's a door to get in. Like

2283
01:33:02,639 --> 01:33:04,080
there's there's we don't there's no

2284
01:33:04,080 --> 01:33:05,040
windows proposed.

2285
01:33:05,040 --> 01:33:07,360
>> Pole barn not not a permanent structure.

2286
01:33:07,360 --> 01:33:09,040
>> Yeah. Like a pole barn like they there's

2287
01:33:09,040 --> 01:33:09,840
no foundation.

2288
01:33:09,840 --> 01:33:15,430
>> It's just like Yeah.

2289
01:33:15,440 --> 01:33:18,960
» Just for the board. Uh he's in an R9 and

2290
01:33:18,960 --> 01:33:24,080
an R9 allows for a storage shed

2291
01:33:24,080 --> 01:33:26,000
accessory to the principal use. The

2292
01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:27,760
principal use being the ice cream stand.

2293
01:33:27,760 --> 01:33:31,040
So, this is really accessible to that as

2294
01:33:31,040 --> 01:33:34,000
an accessible use.

2295
01:33:34,000 --> 01:33:35,600
And the only reason he's here is because

2296
01:33:35,600 --> 01:33:38,320
the lots haven't been consolidated yet.

2297
01:33:38,320 --> 01:33:39,760
As soon as he does that, then he doesn't

2298
01:33:39,760 --> 01:33:41,120
have to be here anymore.

2299
01:33:41,120 --> 01:33:43,600
>> Perfect. Is there anyone else here to

2300
01:33:43,600 --> 01:33:46,320
give testimony on this case?

2301
01:33:46,320 --> 01:33:48,800
There is not.

2302
01:33:48,800 --> 01:33:49,760
Good. Make a motion.

2303
01:33:49,760 --> 01:33:51,120
>> I'm good.

2304
01:33:51,120 --> 01:33:52,080
>> Make a motion.

2305
01:33:52,080 --> 01:33:55,910
>> I'll second it.

2306
01:33:55,920 --> 01:33:57,600
» Mr. McDermott. Yes,

2307
01:33:57,600 --> 01:33:58,560
>> Mr. Morris.

2308
01:33:58,560 --> 01:33:58,960
>> Yes,

2309
01:33:58,960 --> 01:34:00,000
>> Mr. Welby.

2310
01:34:00,000 --> 01:34:00,400
>> Yes,

2311
01:34:00,400 --> 01:34:01,440
>> Mr. Matty Evage.

2312
01:34:01,440 --> 01:34:01,760
>> Yes,

2313
01:34:01,760 --> 01:34:02,800
>> and Mr. Walsh.

2314
01:34:02,800 --> 01:34:04,320
>> Yes. Vote of five to zero. You've been

2315
01:34:04,320 --> 01:34:05,360
approved. Good luck.

2316
01:34:05,360 --> 01:34:06,880
>> Thank you for your time. Good luck.

2317
01:34:06,880 --> 01:34:08,400
>> See you for some ice cream.

2318
01:34:08,400 --> 01:34:09,760
>> Yes.

2319
01:34:09,760 --> 01:34:11,520
>> Are we going to recall this first case?

2320
01:34:11,520 --> 01:34:12,719
Even though I think they're not here.

2321
01:34:12,719 --> 01:34:14,480
>> Yeah, it doesn't appear that anybody's

2322
01:34:14,480 --> 01:34:16,639
here for the first case. So, we'll move

2323
01:34:16,639 --> 01:34:19,040
it to the next uh

2324
01:34:19,040 --> 01:34:21,679
next month's agenda. And if he doesn't

2325
01:34:21,679 --> 01:34:23,360
show up in next month, then we dismiss

2326
01:34:23,360 --> 01:34:24,159
it.

2327
01:34:24,159 --> 01:34:28,310
>> Okay.

2328
01:34:28,320 --> 01:34:31,440
Oh, we're good.

2329
01:34:31,440 --> 01:34:35,000
It's meeting a journ.