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Council meeting on Monday, June 24, and I'd like to

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call the meeting to order and ask if there is

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any disclosure, pecuniary interest in nature thereof for the closed

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session. That we are about to move into. Seeing none.

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Then I would have a motion to move into close,

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please. Councilor mcdugal. Councilor rock. Thank you.

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Okay. So that concludes our closed session, and at this

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point in time, we will now recess until our regular

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council meeting at 630.

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Good evening, everyone, and welcome to our council meeting. This

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Monday, June 24, 2024. Welcome. And please join me in

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a moment of personal reflection.

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Thank you. Please be seated. Both of you that can.

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And I'm sorry we don't have enough chairs for. Everyone.

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So my apologies on behalf of our council for that.

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Skugog is situated on treaty land that is steeped in

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rich indigenous history. Today we acknowledge that we are gathering

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on the traditional territories of the Mississaugas of Scubag? Island

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First Nation. We recognize and deeply appreciate the historic, indigenous

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connection to this land. And recognize the contributions First nations

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may tea and Inuit peoples have made both in shaping

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and strengthening this community, in particular, our province and country

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as a whole. We are grateful for the opportunity to

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meet here, and we thank all the generations of people

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who have taken care of this land for thousands of.

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Years. You can come in, but it's standing room only.

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The alcohol is not a bad spot to stand either.

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Okay, so at this time, I asked for a disclosure

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of any pecuniary interest in. Nature thereof for the pending

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agenda. Councilor McDougall. Yes, Madam mayor. I made

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a declaration on GPNA council meeting in it, so I

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don't. Have it right in front of me right now,

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but I did enter that declaration with clerk. Thank you,

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Madam Mayor. Thank you very much. Are there any other

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declarations or disclosures of pecuniary. Seeing none. We'll move on

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earlier today. Council met in a closed session. For. Several.

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Reports. And if I could have a display of them.

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The first report 3.1. Sorry. Was dealing with the committee

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resignations and appointments to Sadie Advisory Committee and the appointments

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to the community grants committee. Just like to say that.

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The motion is before us, and if I could have

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a mover and a seconder for that. Councilor Guido. Councilor

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McDougall. Thank you. All in favor? And that is carried.

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Thank you very much. Our second. Report. Dealt with dev

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20 24 00:26 which. Was a summary of the dogs

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on High Point Road. And we have just a motion.

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To receive that information, and I'll have them over in

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a second. Please, Councilor Leroy. Councilor rock. Thank you. All

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in favor? And that is carried as well. And the

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third and final one from this afternoon. Was 3.3 and

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that dealt with the Magnum general contracting and township of

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Skuggaugh. Minutes of settlement. And just further to that. We'll

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have a council gave direction to staff. And that was

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the end of our closed session. Moving right along. We'll

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ask for announcements from council and then from staff. So

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I'll start with. You, councilor rock. Thank you, Madam Mayor.

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I had the pleasure to attend the BIA summer solstice

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sidewalk sale. Unfortunately, It didn't seem to be as many

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people as normal as I think a lot of people

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were worried about the terrible forecast, but it was a

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great event, some good bands playing and great to walk

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around and see people there. I followed that up by

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attending the campfire sip and enjoyment at Applewood Farms after

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that. Were having a special event. In association with the

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summer solstice as well. Which was a lovely event. And

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again, probably. A few less people than they had originally

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hoped for, based on the weather. And finally, on Sunday,

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I was here in town for the roar by the

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shore event. And unfortunately, same news. It has been more

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well attended in the past. Some amazing vehicles there, just

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absolutely gorgeous vehicles. But. I don't believe when we get

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the final attendance tally that it was as well attended.

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As it has been in previous times, but it was

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still great to be out in the town. And seeing

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some of the absolutely amazing vehicles and the dedication that

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the individual. Individuals put into maintaining and refurbishing these vehicles.

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And it's not a wonder that the attendance may have

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been a little bit lower given the weather forecast, especially.

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For. Those beautiful old cars. But thank you on behalf

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of myself and those of us that couldn't. Attend these

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events. For attending on our behalf, thank you. Councilor wright.

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Thank you, madam mayor. On Saturday, I had the pleasure

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of attending the amateur radio operators day at Purplewood Conservation

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area. Ham radio operators are able to communicate. With other

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amateur radio operators around most of the world. With a

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system that bounces signals. Off the ionosphere, as opposed to

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the traditional line of sight method of radio communications, amateur

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radio. Operators can be called on in times of emergencies

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and disasters for essential communication to another systems like the

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Internet and telephone communications fail. It was a very informative

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visit there. And a big shout out. And thanks to

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the amateur radio clubs that put this day on, thank

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you, madamor. Thank you, councilor. I believe a relative of

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yours. Was one of the. Perhaps not in today. 's.

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Time, but previously. And I'm pretty sure they didn't deal

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with Internet back then. Did they? Yes. Thank you, ma'am.

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That is correct. My uncle was a ham radio operator,

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and he. Was a communications officer in the marine during

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the war, so I still have his mobile AM radio.

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So it was a very interesting day for me to

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attend. Very thought provoking. Thank you. Thank you, councilor. Are

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there any further announcements from council councilor McDougall? Thank you,

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Madam mayor. With July 1. Coming soon. Of course we've

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got candidate. But that's not what I'm. Here to mention.

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We have a blue box program and is changing. To

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the extended producer responsibility program. And as well, we have

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an enhanced green bin program. All the details are on

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the region website, but I do know, for instance, diapers

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are now going to be able to be placed in

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the green bin as before. They weren't able to, so.

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Amongst many other changes. So please have a look on

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the Germ region website as well. I believe they have.

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Facebook posts on it as well. Thank you, Madam Mayor.

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Thank you, councilor. And. I would just. Actually, I think

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Councilor Guido has an announcement about this afternoon. Thank you.

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Madam Mayor. We would like to offer our congratulations to

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Marwan's global bistro. For celebrating their 10th anniversary. Anyone who

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has had the pleasure of having a meal there knows

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that it is quite. The complement to our downtown. So

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if you are able to stop in and say hello

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at some point this week and offer them your congratulations

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as well. Thank you, madam. Here. Thank you, councilor. And

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moving on to staff. We'll start with you, Rob Froska.

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Thank you, Madam Mayor. This Saturday, June the 29th, the

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Ontario Federation of Anglers and Hunters will be hosting the

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free boat washing event at the township's old rail boat

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launch in Port Perry. The purpose for this event is

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to help promote the. Invading species awareness program, also known

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as ISAb. The. Event conducts public engagement and outreach to

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educate the invasive species. And their associated ecological and economical

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impacts. ISOP staff will help or will be providing educational

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resources and speaking with the public to increase awareness on

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how to mitigate the risk. Or spread invasive species like

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zebra muscles and asian carbs. I thought we'll be providing

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a free boat cleaning service using a pressure washer to

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disinfect watercrafts as they exit the water. Thank you very

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much. Mr. Frosco and moving on to director Bowers. Thank

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you, madam Mayor. Scubar has experienced a few severe storms

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already this season and more can be expected. Emergencies can

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happen quickly, without warning, at any time of day and

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in any season during an emergency, you may have no

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electrical power or be asked to evacuate. Having an emergency

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plan and. Home kit in place will assist you and

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your family to be prepared and survive on your own.

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For at least 72 hours. Keep a kid at home,

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work and in your car. Your kit should be easy

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to carry and portable, such as a rubber tote or

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suitcase. Check contents twice a year to ensure freshness of

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food and water. Have a crank radio on hand. Portable

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lights, extra power, bank to keep phones charged, first aid

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kit and much more. A list of contents for your

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kit and tips on how to shelter in place are

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available at Ontario, Ca. Emergencypreparedness emergency preparedness starts at home.

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Make sure you have a kitten place and a plan

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to keep your family safe. Thank you, Director Ballist. Are

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there any further announcements from staff? I would just be

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remiss if I didn't mention. Skugog's candidate. Canada Day celebrations.

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They start on Monday, July 1 at 1030 and I

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hope that everyone who can will come out and celebrate

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the vets in fets. Parade and then join us all

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at Palmer park. It's a great day and it's full

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of festivities for family. Families of all ages. So please

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join us in celebrating. Thank you. Okay, so if that

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is it for presentations and delegations, then I would like

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to move on. To. A. Sorry by matthew

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hare, senior manager of bdo canada llp. To present the

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very exciting consolidated financial statements. I told him that you

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guys were all here for that, so. He's really psyched

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up for it. So go ahead, Matthew. Sorry.

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Thanks for that. Good evening, mayor and councilors. Thank you

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for having me here to present the audited financial statements

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for the corporation of the township of Scoogog. The financial

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statements are intended to report on the financial position of

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the township as of December 31, 2023 to ensure accountability

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and transparency. And to assist the township with long term

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and strategic planning. Okay. So our first slide here just

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deals with our audit report. We're currently working on the

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wording of the report this year, as there is a

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qualification in the report. The report will still note that

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the financial statements are presented fairly. In all material respects,

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the financial position of the township. The difference this year

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is we have qualified the report over the scope limitation,

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over the accuracy. Of the asset retirement obligation. Over the

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cost estimates used in the determination of the new asset

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retirement obligation liability for the new accounting standards this year.

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The township engaged a specialist to identify and assess the

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potential asset retirement obligations within the township to meet the

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new standard, the special supplied valuations to the liability that

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could not be verified through audit procedures which led to

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the qualification. As noted, this does not impact the overall

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opinion on the report. Next slide. Our next part of

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our report talks about our responsibility, so our responsibilities to

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obtain reasonable assurance about whether the financial statements are free

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from material misstatement, either through fraud or error or both.

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Conduct our audit in accordance with. Canadian generally accepted auditing

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standards identify and assess risks and material statements. Obtain sufficient

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and appropriate audit evidence to provide a basis for our

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opinion. Obtain an understanding of internal controls relevant to the

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audit. And evaluate the appropriateness of accounting policies, estimates and

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presentation of the financial statements and disclosures. Next slide, please.

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So, turning to the statement of financial position. So the

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consolidated statement of financial position highlights four key figures that

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just together describe. The financial position of the township. So

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the first is the cash resources, the second is the

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net. Financial position. For assets. The third is the non

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financial assets used to provide services, and the fourth is

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the accumulated surplus. This year. The financial assets of the

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township are 48,408,000. Overall, the assets have increased about $4

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million from. 2022. It's mainly due to an increase in

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cash and investments of approximately 3.3 million, in addition to

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an increase in receivables of approximately $828,000 mostly due to

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the reconstruction of the Balsam street and reconstruction for the

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skating oval. Which were funded by CCVF and the Tourism

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Relief Fund grant, respectively. Offset by decrease in $600,000 for

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the taxes receivable due to significant supplementaries near the end

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of the 2023 being receivable. Next slide. Sorry. So the

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next slide talks about are the net financial assets which

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form a part of the financial position and is a

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difference between the financial assets and the liabilities. The non

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financial assets are normally used to deliver services and are

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primarily comprised of tangible capital. Assets. Overall, the net financial

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assets of the township are 20.1 million, which is an

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increase of 2.6 million from the prior year. The changes

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in liabilities this year were mainly in the deferred revenue,

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which was an increase in 2 million. Which was due

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to funding received for development charge levies. Specifically for the

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Lake scuga. Enhancement construction and the Palmer park washroom. There's

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also the new asset retirement obligation liability that's on the

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statement as well. And that's offset by a decrease in

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the deposits. The share of 400,000. Next slide, please. Your

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statement of your consolidated financial position also includes your non

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financial assets. Which. Is overall consists of your capital outlays

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for the year, your disposals in the air. And your

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amortization of your tangible capital assets. This year, there was

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an increase in the tangible capital assets in total by

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1.9 million. Overall, the tangible capital assets increased as a

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result of rotary visitations. The Lake Scoogog enhancement. The old

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rail lane, multi use trail. There were no significant asset

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disposals, and the remainder, I believe it was about $4

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million. Was in amortization of previous tangible capital assets. Next

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slide, please. The next statement in our financial statements is

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the consolidated statement of operations. So what we have here,

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it just sort of shows the makeup of revenue for

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the last year. So 59% of your total revenues consist

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of taxation, revenue which. Was decreased 7% from 66% from

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the prior years. That's just due to increases. In other

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areas. The grants have decreased to 1% from 11% in

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the prior year. User charges have increased in the current

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year, as well as some other revenue, which mainly. Is

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the development church, and there's the casino revenue, which has

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decreased as a total of 1% of your total revenues.

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Next slide, please. The next slide here shows a year

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over year expense analysis for the past five years by

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department. The majority of the. Department expenses remain consistent year

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over year as outlined there. There is not usually much

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change in. These, as everything gets allocated in the same

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sort of buckets every year. Next line there. Our next

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slide there. Sorry. So this chart here. Shows your overall

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revenue and expenditures, as well as your annual surplus and

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deficit for the preceding this year and the preceding four

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years. Overall revenue has fluctuated based on grant revenues, which

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fluctuate based on current projects that have been funded. The

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revenues have increased $3 million from the previous year, and

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the expenses have increased 1.9 million. So it shows an

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increase in your overall surplus. The township has an overall

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sur. Surplus in each of the last five years. A

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portion of that relates to operating, but other parts of

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that relate to capital and what we call accounting purpose.

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Revenues. After that. We have the summary of significant accounting

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policies. So the only significant changes there, there's two. Changes

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this year. In the notes to the financial statements. The

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first one is. Financial instruments, which is a new note

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that's required this year. That just outlines the various financial

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instruments. That the municipality has. Mostly the cash and investments.

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They have to be staged, and we have to show

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the types of risks. That the township has, and it

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mitigates for each area of those risks. And then the

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other one is the asset retirement obligation. As I mentioned

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before. Other than that, the notes remain fairly similar from

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previous years. One more. Happy to answer.

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Any questions? Thank you very much, Matthew. And are there

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any questions to the presenter? Councilor McDougall. Thank you, madam

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Mayor. I did have a question on slide 9.1, I

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think it was. With regards to revenues. I noted that

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they were up significantly this year. And I think if

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I had heard you correctly, I think the idea is

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that projects that are not completed as of yet but

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are scheduled are put back in as revenue. Is that

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correct? And that's what would possibly ski the higher. Sorry.

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No. So projects that are under construction. Typically show up,

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so it depends on what your project is. So if

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you get grant funding for specific projects, that typically gets

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recognized in the revenue when the expenses are incurred. So

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if you have significant projects going on, that's when that

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would get recognized in terms of revenue. The other part

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of that is your development charges. So your development charges

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sit as deferred. Revenue on the balance sheet until you

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use them towards specific projects. And so that depending on

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what projects are going on in the year, can increase

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the revenues, depending on how much you take out of.

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Your deferred revenue or your obligatories. Okay. And then further

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through, madam. Is the increased revenues for the year. We

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had a significant amount of surplus there. Are the increased

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revenues for the year, mostly development charges. Then? I can

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tell you exactly what it is in just a second.

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There is a fair amount. Of increase in revenue from.

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The development charge. Let me just see. Some of it

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is a part to the increase in levy. Some of

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it is due to the increase in grant, but there's

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not much there. I'm just looking through to double check.

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So there is quite a bit in there from interest

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revenue, which would be just due to the increase in

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interest rates this year. That was about $700,000 compared to

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the prior year. There was a little bit of increase.

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In terms of. Your other revenues. So contributions from others.

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Mainly for the Balson street reconstruction. There's contributions from others,

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so not internally, but externally. There's contributions. That was about

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a million dollars there. So there's about a million five

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from your increase. From. Those contributions. Very good. That's all.

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Thank you, Madam Mayor. Thank you for answering questions. Thank

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you, councilor. McDougall, before we go further with any further

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questions. Could I have a mover? In a second. Could

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we bring forward report 10.2 point. Ten and I'll ask

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for a mover in a second or so that questions

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can be directed to both Matthew and the report. Councilor

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Guido. Councilor Wright. Thank you. Any questions to the report?

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Or to further questions to Matthew. Seeing none. We'll just

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ask that. The. Financial statements. Be received.

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And be approved and that the presentation. From Matthew harrisived.

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All in favor? Thank you. And that is carried. Thank

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you very much. You can state that you don't need

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to.

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Okay. So at this time. We have a presentation. Actually,

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a delegation from Mr. Powell. Mr. Powell, are you in

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the room? There you are. Please come forward.

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Welcome. And you can start whenever you're ready. And you

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have five minutes. Thank you. Madam Mayor, with respect, some

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housekeeping. I was here in February. And there was a

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commitment for Mr. Nick through to Mr. Heritage at that

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February council meeting, the public consultations for revised zoning would

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happen in the spring. I live in the wilds of

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Blackstock and haven't heard any public meetings. I wondered if

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there was an update. Is there anything further that you

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want to add? We'll answer the questions at the end.

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Of your presentation, if you're okay with that. I've made

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note of that one. Okay. Thank you. Today, the federal

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minister of housing, MP Fraser, was quoted as saying that

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municipalities that freeze development charges can assess government funding for

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infrastructure development. And I read the May 28, 2024 Scoogog.

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By law, number 1624 does not appear to freeze development

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charges. Is the required freeze on development charges not applicable

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to this revised bylaw, or is this a provincial matter

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and doesn't apply. Okay. Thank you. And anything further? The

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last thing, most important part is my wish to ask

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council to consider awarding energy stock compliance. Building practices. My

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suggestion is a reduction on permit costs and property taxes

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for energy style compliance structures. And you could take it

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one step further. And provide. Incentives for using alternative energy

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sources, wind and solar, to be considered to qualify for

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such reductions and I have a quote for the Natural

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Resources Canada energy efficiency. Canada program. Which I'm following as

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closely as I can. Okay. Thank you, Madam Mayor. Thank

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you, Mr. Power. We appreciate you coming forward. And who

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would like to take Mr. Powell's first question with regard

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to. The public consultation, I believe that had to do

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with the housing bylaws and that in February. Director Heritage.

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Thank you, Madam Mayor. The additional residential unit issue was.

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Initially addressed by council back in a staff report back

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in November of 2023. And one of the recommendations that

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came out of the resolution from council that came out

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of that meeting was. To prepare a draft OPA and

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ZBA to implement additional residential units and present that draft.

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To the housing committee. Those drafts have been presented to

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the housing committee. They came forward in May of this

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year. We've received comments back from. The housing committee, and

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we're reviewing those comments now. We intend to. Revise, where

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required, the OPA and the ZBA, and bring those to

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a public meeting. In the fall. Thank you. Moving on.

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The second one was about. The announcement about freezing dcs.

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Ms. Hendry or director. Are you familiar with that? I

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know it was an early. It was. Just announced today.

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So, director Barda. Anybody, okay? So I put you on

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tasks to find that out for me and for Mr.

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Powell. And if we could advise him when we have

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that answer. And the council energy start building compliance. Personally,

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I think that's kind of a good idea. Councilor McDougall,

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you wanted. To comment on that. Thank you, Madam Mayor.

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Thank you for your delegation, Mr. Powell. The region of

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Durham has a really good program called Durham Greener Homes,

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which is open up for retrofits and deep retrofits and

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for rebates, and I know one. Of the things, and

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I haven't had a chance to look at it myself,

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but heat. Pumps have been very popular in being able

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to. Cut people's energy bills overall, and I know that

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there's been many that have applied for rebates on the

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heat pump installations and seen great success for that. So

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personally, I'm interested in looking into it, but I haven't

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had a chance yet. But. The information for Durham Greener

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Homes is on the Durham region website. Thank you. Thank

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you, Councilor McDougall. And if I'm correct, they do offer.

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Some. Inspections and so on and so forth. For people

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interested in doing that, but I still would like to

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just speak. To the energy Star building compliance and the

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use of. With respect to incentives and use of wind

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and solar and so on and so forth. I'm not

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sure. That. It can be. A reduction. In taxes or

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anything like that, but. I would task a staff when

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they have time. I'll qualify when you have time. To

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perhaps consider what we could potentially look at as a

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move forward. Thank you. Are there any further comments or

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questions to Mr. Powell? Seeing none. Thank you very much

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for your time and thank you for coming forward.

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Okay, at this time. The clerk wants to confer.

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Okay, first of all, I would like a mover and

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a second that Mr. Powell's delegation be received, councilor. Rock.

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Councilor coin. Thank you. All in favor? Thank you very

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much. We do have a presentation. From avenue properties and

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then. We have a number of delegations, and we've had.

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Some last minute delegations as well. That will be in

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the interest of transparency, will be put up. As well

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as we've had numerous. Additional correspondence that came in late

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that is also going to be part of. This evening.

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's agenda, results or minutes? Anyway. At this time. Could

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we have a mover? In a second? That we waive

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the rules of procedure to allow for delegations. Councilor McDougall.

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Councilor Leroy. All in favor? And that is carried. Okay,

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so, moving on, at this time, we will invite. The

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presenters from avenue properties to come forward.

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Welcome. And thank you for coming. I remind you, we

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have. A I remind you that. Really? You have five

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minutes this evening, given the length of our agenda. So

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as best you can. Thank you very much. Just a

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moment. We need your mic on. There it is now.

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Thank you very much, your honor. And thank you, everybody.

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I recognize many people. From many of the meetings we

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held. Thank you for coming out tonight. I know we'll

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have a lot to talk about in question, period. I'm

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not going to say anything about the project other than

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the fact that we were given instructions on December 4

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of last year. To go away, do a homework. And

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go through a process for the project. I think everyone

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knows the project, so I don't. Need to speak about

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it here anymore. We produced every bit of. Anything that

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we did. In this book, which has been posted online,

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every technical report, every meeting with every stakeholder and we

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went through a whole process. On the expectation from December

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that we were going to be working towards a community

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infrastructure, housing accelerator. And as everyone knows, the government pulled

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that out partway through the process, which is why we

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have. Some changes to astron Mzo, which is a minister's

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zoning order. I simply want. To say that. A minister's

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own order is to set the parameters of development within

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the terms of the official plan which is already in

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place and preceded us. We came to port pay with

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an official plan in place. That said, this is Greenfield,

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this is urban area, this is settlement area, and it

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needs intens. Intensification. And we simply looked at the overall

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picture, the objectives, and that's how we've developed this project

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and brought it forward, and I think it speaks for

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itself. I was trying to relax on the weekend. Generics

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is a very important meeting. It's a very important meeting

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for us. It's. A very important meeting for you, for

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stakeholders, for all of us. Your honor. And I bought

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a wonderful story. Of Merkel. A biography of her. I

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should tell everybody I spent five years. In East Germany.

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When the wall came down, I won the. Largest contest

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in the world to build refugee housing, 3600 homes to

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be delivered, and I went. There, and I did that,

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04:02:18,991 --> 04:02:22,271
and I lived in East Germany, so I'm very sympathetic

470
04:02:22,271 --> 04:02:27,744
and I admire Angela Merkel, and Merkel said, They're talking

471
04:02:27,744 --> 04:02:34,737
about her being a common, analytical person. And. Organization said

472
04:02:34,737 --> 04:02:38,097
to her before she was given a speech, he said,

473
04:02:38,097 --> 04:02:41,097
well, couldn't you put a little more poetry in your

474
04:02:41,097 --> 04:02:47,272
speech. Turned to him and said, Because she was a

475
04:02:47,272 --> 04:02:53,367
physicist. And what she said was. I think things through.

476
04:02:55,096 --> 04:03:00,991
Starting at the end. From the desired outcome. And work

477
04:03:00,991 --> 04:03:04,154
backwards. And she said, What matters is what will be

478
04:03:04,154 --> 04:03:08,230
achieved in two years. Not when we read in the

479
04:03:08,230 --> 04:03:12,353
papers tomorrow. And so I'm just ending my presentation to

480
04:03:12,353 --> 04:03:18,026
say you're honoring counsel. It's. A great project. I apologize

481
04:03:18,026 --> 04:03:20,826
to many people who've raised the issue about density and

482
04:03:20,826 --> 04:03:23,506
so on. Look, it's the official plan. It's what the

483
04:03:23,506 --> 04:03:27,066
town for all those years they worked to make that

484
04:03:27,066 --> 04:03:31,897
official plan. Said that wants and needs to meet the

485
04:03:31,897 --> 04:03:35,297
needs going forward, and we're responding to that. And that's

486
04:03:35,297 --> 04:03:38,537
it. And I'm looking forward and I hope council will

487
04:03:38,537 --> 04:03:41,337
see fit. To ask the minister to just set the

488
04:03:41,337 --> 04:03:44,857
parameters so that we can go on the road of

489
04:03:44,857 --> 04:03:48,857
going for environmental approvals and every other ruling regulation that

490
04:03:48,857 --> 04:03:51,439
needs to be. Met over the coming years to get

491
04:03:51,439 --> 04:03:56,952
a project actually built. Thank you very much. Thank you.

492
04:03:56,952 --> 04:04:01,015
Before I move. If there are any questions to Mr.

493
04:04:01,015 --> 04:04:07,845
Methurst. Councilor rock. Thank you for being here this evening.

494
04:04:09,312 --> 04:04:11,712
As you can see, it's fairly well tended, so a

495
04:04:11,712 --> 04:04:14,705
lot of interesting things. I know you only have a

496
04:04:14,705 --> 04:04:17,985
certain time, but I think everyone would benefit from having.

497
04:04:19,593 --> 04:04:22,793
Some, I guess, clarity around exactly what this is and

498
04:04:22,793 --> 04:04:26,473
what is before us tonight. So can you. Be very

499
04:04:26,473 --> 04:04:31,544
explicit. What exactly does the MZ? Mzato do why is

500
04:04:31,544 --> 04:04:36,930
being requested? And. What does it not do? Because. There

501
04:04:36,930 --> 04:04:41,979
may be some misunderstanding of. Granting the mzto. Would do

502
04:04:41,979 --> 04:04:47,397
and not do within the confines of the municipality. Sure

503
04:04:47,397 --> 04:04:51,000
the purpose of the MZ? In the big picture is.

504
04:04:52,693 --> 04:04:57,496
To. Thank you. The purpose of an MZO in the

505
04:04:57,496 --> 04:05:03,160
bait picture is to settle the issue. As to what

506
04:05:03,160 --> 04:05:08,838
kind of units. Single family, Maltese, townhouses. Can be built

507
04:05:08,838 --> 04:05:12,634
and how many of them you can build. The purpose

508
04:05:12,634 --> 04:05:16,851
of an mZO is to take away. Lots of appeal

509
04:05:16,851 --> 04:05:19,851
process of people who will just say, well, I'm going

510
04:05:19,851 --> 04:05:22,931
to object to it on principle of objecting and then.

511
04:05:24,712 --> 04:05:28,232
It's a one, two, three year process going through Ontario

512
04:05:28,232 --> 04:05:31,672
and tribunal meetings on things just on the issue of

513
04:05:31,672 --> 04:05:35,952
density. The density is settled within the parameters of the

514
04:05:35,952 --> 04:05:38,912
official plan, and so what the government tried to do

515
04:05:38,912 --> 04:05:41,592
is to say that if you're within the four square

516
04:05:41,592 --> 04:05:44,512
corners of an official plan. You have to be able.

517
04:05:45,000 --> 04:05:48,856
To move ahead without many impediments. What the Mz O

518
04:05:48,856 --> 04:05:53,785
does not do. Or we're not asking for it. You

519
04:05:53,785 --> 04:05:56,505
can ask, but we didn't ask. And we specifically have

520
04:05:56,505 --> 04:06:01,176
said. The resolution we're requesting of counsel. We're not asking

521
04:06:01,176 --> 04:06:05,096
for any special consideration. We're only asking that you ask

522
04:06:05,096 --> 04:06:09,016
the minister to settle the size of the project, and

523
04:06:09,016 --> 04:06:13,496
we're not asking for any dispensation from any environmental study,

524
04:06:13,496 --> 04:06:17,536
any application for license. Any application to the Trent Severin.

525
04:06:18,525 --> 04:06:21,605
Any application to Parks Canada, anything to do with court

526
04:06:21,605 --> 04:06:25,664
a conservation, all of those things. Are a process that

527
04:06:25,664 --> 04:06:28,504
needs to be followed and will be followed. And if

528
04:06:28,504 --> 04:06:32,104
there is an environmental impediment that can't be overcome or

529
04:06:32,104 --> 04:06:36,771
met. Then there'll be no project. It's simply to set

530
04:06:36,771 --> 04:06:42,410
the parameters, and for us, We cannot even design. A

531
04:06:42,410 --> 04:06:46,010
waste treatment plant to take forward to the minister of

532
04:06:46,010 --> 04:06:50,610
environment. Until we know what we're planning for. So it

533
04:06:50,610 --> 04:06:53,610
costs hundreds of thousands of dollars to do the background,

534
04:06:53,610 --> 04:06:57,370
to do the engineering study, and we're asking town council

535
04:06:57,370 --> 04:07:00,810
to fix the parameters so that we can spend our

536
04:07:00,810 --> 04:07:05,955
money. Make the specifications. Give them to the lake stewards,

537
04:07:05,955 --> 04:07:09,275
give them to court the conservation and everyone. Else and

538
04:07:09,275 --> 04:07:13,033
say, okay, can we approve this? And I assure you,

539
04:07:13,033 --> 04:07:17,691
I can't assure, but. We've given reports in the study

540
04:07:17,691 --> 04:07:22,451
and they're all online. We went to the best experts

541
04:07:22,451 --> 04:07:26,714
we can find. We ask those experts, is this feasible?

542
04:07:26,714 --> 04:07:30,434
They've all said yes. We said, please put those parameters

543
04:07:30,434 --> 04:07:33,834
in writing. They're in writing. They're online. They're there for

544
04:07:33,834 --> 04:07:36,874
you. To see. We're not asking anyone to give us

545
04:07:36,874 --> 04:07:42,197
any environmental approval. We're just asking for us to have

546
04:07:42,197 --> 04:07:46,223
the parameters of the project so that. We can design

547
04:07:46,223 --> 04:07:51,258
it and submit it. And that's what we're asking. And

548
04:07:51,258 --> 04:07:54,698
just to say to her worship, who knows? The resolution

549
04:07:54,698 --> 04:07:58,818
we've asked for. The wording says not asking for any

550
04:07:58,818 --> 04:08:02,719
relief of any issue from the minister. Just tell us,

551
04:08:02,719 --> 04:08:06,024
can we? Build four and five story buildings? Can we

552
04:08:06,024 --> 04:08:09,864
build townhouses? Can we build single family homes? Can we

553
04:08:09,864 --> 04:08:12,504
put a health care center there, which is a commercial

554
04:08:12,504 --> 04:08:16,544
operation, not just residential. That's what we're asking. I hope

555
04:08:16,544 --> 04:08:20,520
I asked your question. Yeah, that was great. So further

556
04:08:20,520 --> 04:08:26,157
to that. I guess. If we were to vote in

557
04:08:26,157 --> 04:08:29,357
favor and whatever that may be, can you describe a

558
04:08:29,357 --> 04:08:31,557
little bit about what the next steps will be, because.

559
04:08:34,581 --> 04:08:37,003
I think again. There may be some lack of clarity

560
04:08:37,003 --> 04:08:41,902
on. What support, or lack thereof, of the MZTO would

561
04:08:41,902 --> 04:08:44,382
actually do what those next steps are. So what would

562
04:08:44,382 --> 04:08:50,359
be the next step after this? In this process. Well,

563
04:08:50,359 --> 04:08:54,639
if council sees fit to pass an order to ask

564
04:08:54,639 --> 04:09:00,738
the minister. To consider granting a minister's zoning order. Then

565
04:09:00,738 --> 04:09:04,978
the briefing book that we've prepared just needs to be

566
04:09:04,978 --> 04:09:09,218
finalized off to be updated. And then it goes to

567
04:09:09,218 --> 04:09:12,938
the minister's office and the minister and his planners and

568
04:09:12,938 --> 04:09:17,178
his advisors look at everything. They look to see if

569
04:09:17,178 --> 04:09:21,097
the homework is done and look to see if. They

570
04:09:21,097 --> 04:09:24,858
will give an order saying. Okay? You can build those

571
04:09:24,858 --> 04:09:29,665
kinds of homes, and that's your density. And it's 100%

572
04:09:29,665 --> 04:09:34,452
in the hands of the ministry. And my understanding is

573
04:09:34,452 --> 04:09:37,652
it all goes and they do it all by themselves.

574
04:09:37,652 --> 04:09:41,401
I don't. Believe. There's delegations from anyone. I don't believe

575
04:09:41,401 --> 04:09:45,001
we make a delegation, I think. It's simply an ask.

576
04:09:45,001 --> 04:09:49,635
And you present the evidence to the minister's office. So

577
04:09:49,635 --> 04:09:53,310
the MZ owes that have been delivered so far. For

578
04:09:53,310 --> 04:09:58,283
example, for a hospital. For example, new buildings. There's a

579
04:09:58,283 --> 04:10:03,003
recent one in Niagara Falls, typically within the four square

580
04:10:03,003 --> 04:10:07,483
corners of an official plan like ours is. This is.

581
04:10:07,483 --> 04:10:12,530
And the minister decides whether it's. Useful or not. To

582
04:10:12,530 --> 04:10:15,570
give the minister's zoning order, and all we're asking for

583
04:10:15,570 --> 04:10:18,827
is the density. Right. And further. Further through you, madam.

584
04:10:18,827 --> 04:10:22,867
There. So while the minister is doing that deliberation. The

585
04:10:22,867 --> 04:10:27,407
minister would still require all of the necessary. Assessments to

586
04:10:27,407 --> 04:10:31,687
be done, environmental assessments, public consultations, things of that nature.

587
04:10:31,687 --> 04:10:34,847
They will still take all of those into consideration as

588
04:10:34,847 --> 04:10:36,887
they go through that process before they make a final

589
04:10:36,887 --> 04:10:41,493
decision is that correct. Yes, and because we're not asking

590
04:10:41,493 --> 04:10:45,293
for anything other than settling the density and the type.

591
04:10:45,293 --> 04:10:48,333
Of units. We're not asking for environmental approvals. We're not

592
04:10:48,333 --> 04:10:50,773
asking for road approvals. We're not asking for any of

593
04:10:50,773 --> 04:10:54,641
those things. The minister can issue the zoning order and

594
04:10:54,641 --> 04:10:59,401
the minister can attach whatever conditions they choose to. So.

595
04:10:59,401 --> 04:11:04,016
If, for example, There are community stakeholders that feel strongly

596
04:11:04,016 --> 04:11:07,616
nothing stops a community stakeholder for reaching out to the

597
04:11:07,616 --> 04:11:11,056
minister and saying you ought to include this obligation. I'm

598
04:11:11,056 --> 04:11:14,856
clear about it. We're not asking for relief of anything.

599
04:11:14,856 --> 04:11:17,776
We're only asking for the density and type of units.

600
04:11:17,776 --> 04:11:20,754
That can be built at the property. And just my

601
04:11:20,754 --> 04:11:26,459
final question through you, Madam Mayor. So. This would not

602
04:11:26,459 --> 04:11:30,259
even if you were granted MZo, there's still a very

603
04:11:30,259 --> 04:11:33,059
long path. Ahead of you. Even after you get that

604
04:11:33,059 --> 04:11:36,699
MZO and you will still be required to come. Back

605
04:11:36,699 --> 04:11:40,739
to council to get a site plan approval and approval

606
04:11:40,739 --> 04:11:44,499
of subdivision. Is that correct? Yes. That's correct. And I

607
04:11:44,499 --> 04:11:48,444
know. That if we're answering questions later, we do have.

608
04:11:49,756 --> 04:11:54,081
Our expert. Various consultants here, and I know that the

609
04:11:54,081 --> 04:11:57,841
planning consultants have prepared a chart and a list of

610
04:11:57,841 --> 04:12:00,641
all the approval things you have to ask for, but

611
04:12:00,641 --> 04:12:03,241
correct, you still have to get all the approvals from

612
04:12:03,241 --> 04:12:06,161
the town, the building approval, the roads, the layout, the

613
04:12:06,161 --> 04:12:11,189
site plan. All the provincial things like. Ministry of the

614
04:12:11,189 --> 04:12:14,749
Environment to approve that. You're going to use recycle water

615
04:12:14,749 --> 04:12:17,669
to flush toilets. All of that has to be approved,

616
04:12:17,669 --> 04:12:20,109
and all of that is in a separate approval. Process.

617
04:12:21,651 --> 04:12:25,000
And all of it happens afterwards. So I know I

618
04:12:25,000 --> 04:12:27,360
said my final question, but one more very quick one.

619
04:12:27,360 --> 04:12:30,926
So just to be. Clear. This would not be giving

620
04:12:30,926 --> 04:12:34,326
you cart blanche to start developing this. You will be

621
04:12:34,326 --> 04:12:37,566
back before us. For us to make any final decisions

622
04:12:37,566 --> 04:12:42,563
once we've seen the totality of evidence. That's being pulled

623
04:12:42,563 --> 04:12:44,923
together from the list that you'll have for us who

624
04:12:44,923 --> 04:12:49,279
evaluate. A fulsome design. And all of the environmental impacts

625
04:12:49,279 --> 04:12:51,599
prior to a shovel going in the ground. Is that

626
04:12:51,599 --> 04:12:57,626
correct? Yes. That's correct. Thank you. Thank you, councilor. Councilor

627
04:12:57,626 --> 04:13:05,977
Clay. Thank you, Madam Mayor. Mr. Methurst. If you are

628
04:13:05,977 --> 04:13:13,461
granted the Mz O tonight. And. It's in. Concentrated on

629
04:13:13,461 --> 04:13:18,380
density and housing development. Does that MZo z o give

630
04:13:18,380 --> 04:13:24,234
you the ability to appeal and expand that scope? Not

631
04:13:24,234 --> 04:13:29,176
to my knowledge. And in any event, The request is

632
04:13:29,176 --> 04:13:32,616
that the minister gives the MZ O and the minister

633
04:13:32,616 --> 04:13:34,696
if the minister gives. It to us. The minister may

634
04:13:34,696 --> 04:13:37,296
not, we don't know. But if the minister does give.

635
04:13:37,296 --> 04:13:43,918
It, it just sets the. Density and. The type of

636
04:13:43,918 --> 04:13:47,893
housing and. It's not appealable. Which means we can't ask

637
04:13:47,893 --> 04:13:50,813
for anything more either. We can't change our mind and

638
04:13:50,813 --> 04:13:58,281
say we want this. That's the fixed zoning. It can't

639
04:13:58,281 --> 04:14:02,348
change. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, council coin. Are there

640
04:14:02,348 --> 04:14:10,717
any further comments or questions from anyone? Councilor Leroy. Thank

641
04:14:10,717 --> 04:14:16,637
you. Madamaran through you to Mr. Medhurst. Thank you. For

642
04:14:16,637 --> 04:14:20,535
the voluminous amount of information that you've provided. Within the

643
04:14:20,535 --> 04:14:24,135
document. And as you have repeated tonight, the sole purpose

644
04:14:24,135 --> 04:14:26,815
of the MZTO request is to settle density and unit

645
04:14:26,815 --> 04:14:30,695
type mix, all of which are within the parameters of

646
04:14:30,695 --> 04:14:36,062
the township. Of skewog official plan. So I'm not entirely

647
04:14:36,062 --> 04:14:41,941
sure I understand. Why the need for the Mz O.

648
04:14:41,941 --> 04:14:44,581
And my concern is if it's really just about the

649
04:14:44,581 --> 04:14:51,503
density. There's a process to achieve that. And my thought

650
04:14:51,503 --> 04:14:56,915
or concern is. If a density is just given. Without

651
04:14:56,915 --> 04:15:01,715
any further study, particularly with regard to environmental considerations. Given

652
04:15:01,715 --> 04:15:09,019
this site has many concern. Concerning constraints. What would happen

653
04:15:09,019 --> 04:15:12,951
if you were approved for 600 units? But when environmental

654
04:15:12,951 --> 04:15:15,791
reports come back saying you have to have greater setbacks

655
04:15:15,791 --> 04:15:20,680
from the shoreline, You have to defer construction or prevent

656
04:15:20,680 --> 04:15:25,586
construction on certain sensitive areas. What happens to that density

657
04:15:25,586 --> 04:15:29,826
if the density cannot be achieved within a reduced scale

658
04:15:29,826 --> 04:15:34,937
of. Developable land. This is not clear to me. Well,

659
04:15:34,937 --> 04:15:39,737
my understanding is that. If it's not buildable within the

660
04:15:39,737 --> 04:15:42,657
parameters that are set, then you can't. Build it, and

661
04:15:42,657 --> 04:15:47,123
we're only asking. We're sticking in the four square corners

662
04:15:47,123 --> 04:15:50,908
of the height rules that are set out. In the

663
04:15:50,908 --> 04:15:53,708
official plan. We're not asking for relief. We're not asking

664
04:15:53,708 --> 04:15:58,084
for more. We're just asking. For the density. One of

665
04:15:58,084 --> 04:16:03,434
the things that. People get a bit confused on. If

666
04:16:03,434 --> 04:16:08,063
I have a 10,000 square foot building. It could be

667
04:16:08,063 --> 04:16:13,082
ten apartments at 1000 each. Also could be 20 apartments

668
04:16:13,082 --> 04:16:17,402
that are 500 sqft each. So because the way planning

669
04:16:17,402 --> 04:16:22,402
works in this township. It's not by the floor. The

670
04:16:22,402 --> 04:16:26,821
total floor space. It's by number. Of units. So we're

671
04:16:26,821 --> 04:16:31,893
willing to build attainable housing, meaning smaller housing. So we've

672
04:16:31,893 --> 04:16:35,973
expressed in the report, we're thinking of 700, 750 square

673
04:16:35,973 --> 04:16:40,338
foot two. Bedroom, two bathroom apartments for most. Of the

674
04:16:40,338 --> 04:16:44,658
development. So that's just more apartments. If we would build

675
04:16:44,658 --> 04:16:47,698
a 1500 square foot. Three bedroom apartment, it would be

676
04:16:47,698 --> 04:16:50,098
half the number of units. So we don't know the

677
04:16:50,098 --> 04:16:54,964
mix yet. We're trying to just create the flexibility. So,

678
04:16:54,964 --> 04:16:58,644
to be frank, we're trying to get the parameters so

679
04:16:58,644 --> 04:17:01,745
we can go to those. Design. And if it was

680
04:17:01,745 --> 04:17:04,265
not achievable, that question, you wouldn't be able to build

681
04:17:04,265 --> 04:17:09,774
it. And. We believe, because we worked within the core

682
04:17:09,774 --> 04:17:13,574
setbacks that they gave before for the plan of subdivision

683
04:17:13,574 --> 04:17:17,454
that is approved a 30 meters setback. We respected that,

684
04:17:17,454 --> 04:17:21,414
and the architects believe we can. Get the density, but

685
04:17:21,414 --> 04:17:26,014
it may be the project ends up 510 apartments or

686
04:17:26,014 --> 04:17:30,221
400, and. 80. We don't know. We're just trying to.

687
04:17:31,954 --> 04:17:34,474
Create an envelope that makes sense. And we need a

688
04:17:34,474 --> 04:17:38,545
certain amount, we need a certain size. To be able

689
04:17:38,545 --> 04:17:40,905
to put in the technology we want to put in.

690
04:17:40,905 --> 04:17:43,865
We want to put in. Wastewater treatment that is an

691
04:17:43,865 --> 04:17:47,385
a septic tank that is better for the environment that

692
04:17:47,385 --> 04:17:50,345
we can take the heat out to make cheaper heating

693
04:17:50,345 --> 04:17:55,641
for the buildings, like geothermal. So. This technology. Psychic cruise

694
04:17:55,641 --> 04:17:57,161
ship. When you build a cruise ship, you put the

695
04:17:57,161 --> 04:17:58,801
technology in. You need to know. What you're building, and

696
04:17:58,801 --> 04:18:01,521
you need to know the technology you can use. That's

697
04:18:01,521 --> 04:18:05,973
what we're trying to do here. I understand the concept.

698
04:18:08,216 --> 04:18:11,016
And what concerns me is the math. So partly what

699
04:18:11,016 --> 04:18:13,976
you're requesting, the MZ four. According to your documentation, is

700
04:18:13,976 --> 04:18:17,816
to secure financing. If you don't know that, you can't.

701
04:18:17,816 --> 04:18:21,006
Actually build what you're proposing to build. You can't get

702
04:18:21,006 --> 04:18:24,262
financing. Well, we're of the view that we can build.

703
04:18:26,893 --> 04:18:30,573
We did a proposed site plan. It's in the MZ

704
04:18:30,573 --> 04:18:34,152
O book. We show you. A block plan. We show

705
04:18:34,152 --> 04:18:37,552
where houses are along Capsule harbor, where townhouses are behind.

706
04:18:39,173 --> 04:18:41,733
Where these small buildings, which are four to five stories.

707
04:18:43,344 --> 04:18:45,664
In a block of 24 apartments for each one. We're

708
04:18:45,664 --> 04:18:47,864
sure that will all fit there. So there's a lot

709
04:18:47,864 --> 04:18:52,580
of land there. The whole site is 87 acres. There's

710
04:18:52,580 --> 04:18:56,460
62 acres on the land we're looking at. And the

711
04:18:56,460 --> 04:19:00,340
density is actually medium density in the hole. We're not

712
04:19:00,340 --> 04:19:03,620
asking for high. Density, which is in the official plan,

713
04:19:03,620 --> 04:19:08,608
is a high density possibility here. If I may, I'm

714
04:19:08,608 --> 04:19:14,662
fully supportive of increasing density. In our urban area. We

715
04:19:14,662 --> 04:19:17,382
have to stop building single family million plus houses on

716
04:19:17,382 --> 04:19:21,446
wells and septic. However. In this case, I feel the

717
04:19:21,446 --> 04:19:24,086
card is a little bit before the horse, because when

718
04:19:24,086 --> 04:19:26,606
I look at the comments you receive from corporate conservation.

719
04:19:26,606 --> 04:19:29,406
There's unstable land. It's a class one wetland. It's provincially

720
04:19:29,406 --> 04:19:34,526
significant wetland. There's lakeshore issues, there's erosion risk. It's on

721
04:19:34,526 --> 04:19:37,006
a floodplain. I mean, if you hard pressed to imagine

722
04:19:37,006 --> 04:19:40,242
a more difficult site. If this were right in the

723
04:19:40,242 --> 04:19:43,042
central town, it would be fabulous. And maybe there's an

724
04:19:43,042 --> 04:19:50,411
opportunity to put. Consider. Honestly, I don't know that the

725
04:19:50,411 --> 04:19:52,571
center of town people would feel the same as we.

726
04:19:52,571 --> 04:19:58,466
Spoke. We're only 2.1 km from here. From. This office.

727
04:19:59,701 --> 04:20:04,862
And the site was approved, it could have. 20, 15,000

728
04:20:04,862 --> 04:20:08,422
square foot mansions. We realized that there's a lot of

729
04:20:08,422 --> 04:20:12,782
privileged houses. Just north of us, and they're big houses,

730
04:20:12,782 --> 04:20:16,182
and the site already has a site plan. And a

731
04:20:16,182 --> 04:20:20,222
plan of subdivision for 20 of those houses. Each one

732
04:20:20,222 --> 04:20:24,674
can be 30% coverage according to the current. Existed site

733
04:20:24,674 --> 04:20:27,794
plan that the town of Port Perry has issued, the

734
04:20:27,794 --> 04:20:31,194
scubong has issued. So you're trying to make it more

735
04:20:31,194 --> 04:20:35,954
effective, and we think that smaller units and apartments are

736
04:20:35,954 --> 04:20:39,074
better, and we think it's needed. The town of Port

737
04:20:39,074 --> 04:20:43,074
pay has 80% of its housing stock in single family

738
04:20:43,074 --> 04:20:49,565
homes. The average community in Ontario is 54%. This is

739
04:20:49,565 --> 04:20:52,365
a town that's all big homes or homes or single

740
04:20:52,365 --> 04:20:56,617
family and people. Have to move out because they can't

741
04:20:56,617 --> 04:21:00,097
find places to stay in the community. When you like

742
04:21:00,097 --> 04:21:05,070
my age. I'm 73. I'm downsizing, I'm not upsizing, and

743
04:21:05,070 --> 04:21:07,470
I like to stay within a couple of kilometers of

744
04:21:07,470 --> 04:21:10,967
my friends and where I live. There is a whole

745
04:21:10,967 --> 04:21:17,207
community in Canterbury commons. Wonderful community, 320 or 60 homes.

746
04:21:19,004 --> 04:21:24,373
But people. In the neighborhood were legal. This project next

747
04:21:24,373 --> 04:21:26,373
door is a great project for that, and they're going

748
04:21:26,373 --> 04:21:28,893
to like it. And a small grocery store so they

749
04:21:28,893 --> 04:21:33,359
can get food nearby. A small cafe. It works. I

750
04:21:33,359 --> 04:21:38,694
believe it's the right project at the right time. One

751
04:21:38,694 --> 04:21:45,317
further question, okay? From the people in the chamber unless

752
04:21:45,317 --> 04:21:54,928
you are speaking directly, please. Remain respectful and

753
04:21:54,928 --> 04:21:58,088
listen to what the speakers have to say. Thank you.

754
04:22:01,036 --> 04:22:06,560
Councilor Laroy, do you have anything further? Yes, madam. Through

755
04:22:06,560 --> 04:22:10,417
you to Mr. Medhurst. I want to acknowledge your analysis

756
04:22:10,417 --> 04:22:14,672
of our housing situation. I think you're absolutely correct. However,

757
04:22:14,672 --> 04:22:19,507
an mzido is, in my view, the last resort. And

758
04:22:19,507 --> 04:22:23,227
I really wish that more studies could be undertaken to

759
04:22:23,227 --> 04:22:26,827
confirm the density required for this project. To be financially

760
04:22:26,827 --> 04:22:32,300
viable actually is viable. You begin with a curious quote

761
04:22:32,300 --> 04:22:35,300
from Angela Merkel, who I also admire, that you focus

762
04:22:35,300 --> 04:22:38,140
on. What will be achieved in two years. You're actually

763
04:22:38,140 --> 04:22:41,660
asking for something tomorrow instead of going. Through the process

764
04:22:41,660 --> 04:22:46,665
that will result in something, maybe in two years. There

765
04:22:46,665 --> 04:22:51,114
is a process for any kind of development. And it's

766
04:22:51,114 --> 04:22:53,154
pretty well understood by everybody, and I realize it's going

767
04:22:53,154 --> 04:22:56,209
to take time. But sometimes time is needed so that

768
04:22:56,209 --> 04:22:59,369
mistakes aren't made. We have examples of mistakes all around

769
04:22:59,369 --> 04:23:05,026
us when people jump. Into the 11th hour of process,

770
04:23:05,026 --> 04:23:11,529
which can begin at 01:00. I think the MZTO is

771
04:23:11,529 --> 04:23:14,689
a little bit difficult to advance at the start of

772
04:23:14,689 --> 04:23:20,174
a project personally, but I do understand. Your concerns. Well,

773
04:23:20,174 --> 04:23:23,134
if I just may reply to say I've been personally

774
04:23:23,134 --> 04:23:26,360
working on this. It's been two years. We've been engaged

775
04:23:26,360 --> 04:23:28,680
now one and a half years in the process to

776
04:23:28,680 --> 04:23:34,633
get to today's. Meeting. If we don't have. A settled

777
04:23:34,633 --> 04:23:37,473
density, which we hope the minister will give will be

778
04:23:37,473 --> 04:23:42,633
another two years, probably settling density. Because anybody with $129

779
04:23:42,633 --> 04:23:45,593
can file an appeal to force everything to the Ontario

780
04:23:45,593 --> 04:23:49,433
land tribunal. So. We'll be two years before density settled,

781
04:23:49,433 --> 04:23:51,673
and then we'll be the next two. Years for all

782
04:23:51,673 --> 04:23:56,157
the environmental reports. So if you're thinking like Angla Merkel,

783
04:23:56,157 --> 04:23:58,317
where do you want to be in two years. If

784
04:23:58,317 --> 04:24:01,197
we get the density settled, it's going to take us

785
04:24:01,197 --> 04:24:04,357
two years for. The environmental reports. If we get them

786
04:24:04,357 --> 04:24:07,837
signed off and if they're done. So it's. A long

787
04:24:07,837 --> 04:24:11,637
process. And at 73, I'd like to see shovels in

788
04:24:11,637 --> 04:24:15,037
the ground when I'm 75, and I'd like to see

789
04:24:15,037 --> 04:24:17,397
people being able to move in when I'm 77. I'd

790
04:24:17,397 --> 04:24:20,493
like to maybe be one of these people. I just

791
04:24:20,493 --> 04:24:24,537
say it's a long process. It's not hasty. It's not.

792
04:24:24,537 --> 04:24:26,897
Haste makes waste. Within two years, we've had a lot

793
04:24:26,897 --> 04:24:30,897
of consultation. We've had guidance from planning the department and

794
04:24:30,897 --> 04:24:34,229
many others, and we've met. With hundreds of people in

795
04:24:34,229 --> 04:24:39,306
the community. We're not all in agreement. But. Everybody knows

796
04:24:39,306 --> 04:24:44,431
the issues housing needed. There are two reports in the

797
04:24:44,431 --> 04:24:47,751
online, there are two reports in this Mz O book

798
04:24:47,751 --> 04:24:54,604
about two case studies. One. Is the Dockside Green and

799
04:24:54,604 --> 04:24:59,004
Victoria Harbor. 1.3 million sqft all on its own. Sewage

800
04:24:59,004 --> 04:25:02,044
system and Netherlands in New York, that 20 year old

801
04:25:02,044 --> 04:25:06,046
building, which is still in the top ten. Most energy

802
04:25:06,046 --> 04:25:10,246
efficient buildings in the US. That building is 293 apartments.

803
04:25:10,246 --> 04:25:15,443
It takes a certain size to afford the technology. And

804
04:25:15,443 --> 04:25:17,563
that's why I didn't want to build 20 big houses

805
04:25:17,563 --> 04:25:20,723
with 20 septic tanks. It just offended me. And I

806
04:25:20,723 --> 04:25:23,323
take no offense to anybody who owns a big house.

807
04:25:23,323 --> 04:25:25,363
With a septic. I get it, but I don't want

808
04:25:25,363 --> 04:25:27,923
to be building that new. Our company doesn't want to

809
04:25:27,923 --> 04:25:30,723
build that, so that's why we're asking. For some size.

810
04:25:32,243 --> 04:25:35,839
To ford the technology to do it better. Thank you.

811
04:25:35,839 --> 04:25:41,482
Are there any further questions from anyone else? I just

812
04:25:41,482 --> 04:25:51,274
have one. My question is. Should

813
04:25:51,274 --> 04:26:00,484
the mseto be granted. Should the density be? A minimum.

814
04:26:05,854 --> 04:26:09,980
That you could move forward. With through an MZTO say

815
04:26:09,980 --> 04:26:15,460
they granted you 500 units, and yet through all the

816
04:26:15,460 --> 04:26:19,290
environmental issues through all. This studies, so on and so

817
04:26:19,290 --> 04:26:24,439
forth. It's determined that only 300. Units? Could be. Is

818
04:26:24,439 --> 04:26:30,904
there a minimum where. It would become not feasible to

819
04:26:30,904 --> 04:26:38,532
move forward. In the project. It's hard for me to

820
04:26:38,532 --> 04:26:40,532
answer that with a yes or no or a simple

821
04:26:40,532 --> 04:26:44,652
number. Because the issue is if I build two apartments

822
04:26:44,652 --> 04:26:50,052
of 600 sqft versus one apartment of 1200. Sqft where

823
04:26:50,052 --> 04:26:54,092
are we in this? It's about what mix and the

824
04:26:54,092 --> 04:26:58,619
size and type. Of uni. Units. So we're asking for

825
04:26:58,619 --> 04:27:03,153
600 units for some flexibility. If 600 units doesn't make

826
04:27:03,153 --> 04:27:05,553
sense. We're not going to build it if we. Still

827
04:27:05,553 --> 04:27:08,033
have to go to a bank to finance it. We

828
04:27:08,033 --> 04:27:12,233
have so much work in future to get the project

829
04:27:12,233 --> 04:27:16,113
to reality. My work is just starting. If we have

830
04:27:16,113 --> 04:27:21,390
the density. It's very challenging. We've been told that you

831
04:27:21,390 --> 04:27:24,950
can only sell 100 new homes a year in Fort

832
04:27:24,950 --> 04:27:29,816
Perry. They're saying to me. It's like there are many

833
04:27:29,816 --> 04:27:34,428
challenges. So you need a certain scale of size to

834
04:27:34,428 --> 04:27:39,028
afford the technology we're proposing to put in. The way

835
04:27:39,028 --> 04:27:43,348
those with Durham region servicing Dorm region has said it's.

836
04:27:45,243 --> 04:27:48,043
In lighting, director of development for the town knows it

837
04:27:48,043 --> 04:27:52,885
that there are no solars planned for. Castle Harbor. Until.

838
04:27:53,780 --> 04:27:58,998
2051. So if we don't. Do different technology in a

839
04:27:58,998 --> 04:28:02,598
better way or different technology. Nothing's going to happen there

840
04:28:02,598 --> 04:28:06,817
until. 2051. That's just the way it is. We're proposing

841
04:28:06,817 --> 04:28:10,337
to do modern, great technology, invented in Canada, used for

842
04:28:10,337 --> 04:28:14,483
20 years in New York city. And do it better

843
04:28:14,483 --> 04:28:18,649
than. Region is doing the better quality and we want

844
04:28:18,649 --> 04:28:21,729
to recycle the water to flush the toilet. Why should

845
04:28:21,729 --> 04:28:25,369
we buying expensive portable water and wash it on a

846
04:28:25,369 --> 04:28:30,850
toilet? 30% of water. Use. Is total use. Like, it's

847
04:28:30,850 --> 04:28:34,210
just stupid. And so many people around the world are

848
04:28:34,210 --> 04:28:37,330
recycling. It's the law in Australia. That's what we want

849
04:28:37,330 --> 04:28:40,597
to do. That's what we're trying to do here. It's

850
04:28:40,597 --> 04:28:43,516
a really environmentally good project. Outcome and people you're going

851
04:28:43,516 --> 04:28:46,716
to like what's built. You go to Friday harbor. You

852
04:28:46,716 --> 04:28:51,370
see what a lovely community is? A lovely community and

853
04:28:51,370 --> 04:28:54,650
it will be much liked and loved when it's up

854
04:28:54,650 --> 04:29:00,021
and we're sensitive builders. Okay, thank you very much. So

855
04:29:00,021 --> 04:29:04,109
if there are no further questions. Sorry, councilor mcdougall.

856
04:29:12,762 --> 04:29:14,762
Mayor, is this the only opportunity to ask Mr. Medhurst

857
04:29:14,762 --> 04:29:24,628
questions? Yes, I would say so. Okay. Thank you. I'll

858
04:29:24,628 --> 04:29:27,228
continue. Thank you, Mr. Methurst, for your presentation. And thank

859
04:29:27,228 --> 04:29:30,028
you for your interest. In Porpe Perry in our community,

860
04:29:30,028 --> 04:29:34,299
I do have some questions. Some on the brief, but

861
04:29:34,299 --> 04:29:37,699
not so much, but some others as well. Just a

862
04:29:37,699 --> 04:29:39,379
question in terms of the brief. There was one thing

863
04:29:39,379 --> 04:29:41,259
I came across, and I just was looking for some

864
04:29:41,259 --> 04:29:50,734
clarification. What is an underwater lands reclamation process. It has

865
04:29:50,734 --> 04:29:56,593
come to pass. That when we started to look at

866
04:29:56,593 --> 04:30:02,421
the land. We found that, and we believe that, in

867
04:30:02,421 --> 04:30:07,101
fact, the land footprint is much bigger than shows on

868
04:30:07,101 --> 04:30:09,941
the plans and the plan of subdivision that was approved

869
04:30:09,941 --> 04:30:14,183
for the houses. We. Love the view that approximately 25

870
04:30:14,183 --> 04:30:20,860
acres. Underwater and Lake Scubog, actually. Was. Owned by it.

871
04:30:22,331 --> 04:30:24,891
And so, after a year and a half of research,

872
04:30:24,891 --> 04:30:29,021
we've come to the conclusion that that's correct. And. We've

873
04:30:29,021 --> 04:30:35,862
applied to the province. To certify our boundary that. This

874
04:30:35,862 --> 04:30:39,761
was. Buyer the land. But it belonged to all land

875
04:30:39,761 --> 04:30:43,401
and it was flooded and it should be properly. Belonged

876
04:30:43,401 --> 04:30:48,343
to the site. And thus far it appears where 100%

877
04:30:48,343 --> 04:30:51,343
correct and we've applied for it. And if it comes

878
04:30:51,343 --> 04:30:55,343
to pass that the province certifies the boundary, it would

879
04:30:55,343 --> 04:31:00,378
mean that we would have some ability to do. A

880
04:31:00,378 --> 04:31:03,592
bit more on the waterfront. Subject to the approval of

881
04:31:03,592 --> 04:31:07,232
Trendsaveren, subject to the approval of Parks Canada, subject to

882
04:31:07,232 --> 04:31:11,992
the approval of corporate conservation, subject to environmental assessment. All

883
04:31:11,992 --> 04:31:16,215
of those issues. We would have some old attitude to

884
04:31:16,215 --> 04:31:18,735
maybe do as you're doing in the town here. To

885
04:31:18,735 --> 04:31:23,236
try and augment. Part of your waterfront. So that's why

886
04:31:23,236 --> 04:31:25,756
we've applied for that. And that's? Why we mentioned it

887
04:31:25,756 --> 04:31:27,996
in the book, so that you understand what we're applying

888
04:31:27,996 --> 04:31:32,236
for. Okay, thank you. Thank you for that. Further through

889
04:31:32,236 --> 04:31:37,977
you, Madam Mayor. Just in terms of consultation. With First

890
04:31:37,977 --> 04:31:40,937
nations community. And I know that your lawyer had sent

891
04:31:40,937 --> 04:31:44,377
in a letter with regards to consultations to first nations

892
04:31:44,377 --> 04:31:52,286
communities. It appears that. You've had. Several reach out to

893
04:31:52,286 --> 04:31:57,098
Msifn. To have comment from them back, but they haven't

894
04:31:57,098 --> 04:32:02,523
commented very often or very frequently or very fervorishly. Does

895
04:32:02,523 --> 04:32:08,363
this equal meaningful conversation with First nations communities? Is this

896
04:32:08,363 --> 04:32:15,225
enough? For us as council to put stock in. Well,

897
04:32:15,225 --> 04:32:19,572
I'd like to answer that by saying that. We have

898
04:32:19,572 --> 04:32:26,497
asked many times. And. If the other side chooses not

899
04:32:26,497 --> 04:32:29,097
to engage in answers, there's not much we can do.

900
04:32:29,097 --> 04:32:37,280
About it. And. There is no obligation. To conclude consultations,

901
04:32:37,280 --> 04:32:39,280
but we've made attempts and we're trying to do it.

902
04:32:40,150 --> 04:32:43,230
On the record. The issue was we were asked to

903
04:32:43,230 --> 04:32:48,470
sign a nondisclosure agreement. Which we felt. Was not right

904
04:32:48,470 --> 04:32:51,710
for the project because we have so many organizations we're

905
04:32:51,710 --> 04:32:55,924
working with and. We want to be transparent with all

906
04:32:55,924 --> 04:32:59,898
of them, and we were asked to provide. Financial capacity,

907
04:32:59,898 --> 04:33:03,898
which meant to pay for studies, to study our studies.

908
04:33:05,442 --> 04:33:10,556
And in many cases, for example, Councilor Loy hired two

909
04:33:10,556 --> 04:33:14,446
environmental firms, not just one. We hired two because. We

910
04:33:14,446 --> 04:33:16,966
knew this would be an issue. I just didn't want

911
04:33:16,966 --> 04:33:21,166
to pay for a fair. Environmental firm to report on

912
04:33:21,166 --> 04:33:23,846
the work of the other two. So we said, no,

913
04:33:23,846 --> 04:33:27,006
we wouldn't. Provide financial capacity. And we said, no, we

914
04:33:27,006 --> 04:33:31,663
wouldn't sign an NDA, and that's become a block. However.

915
04:33:32,939 --> 04:33:37,594
Our doors open. We want to discuss issues and. We'll

916
04:33:37,594 --> 04:33:39,594
continue to reach out and we continue to be open.

917
04:33:40,819 --> 04:33:43,219
But everything that can be done, we can't do any

918
04:33:43,219 --> 04:33:46,962
more than ask, and we have. Done that. Further through

919
04:33:46,962 --> 04:33:50,042
your madam. So if my understanding is correct, the mzido

920
04:33:50,042 --> 04:33:53,322
that's presented before us today is an application for the

921
04:33:53,322 --> 04:33:56,482
township of Scugog to apply for the Mz. O for

922
04:33:56,482 --> 04:34:01,860
this property. And so my question to you, Mr. Medhurst,

923
04:34:01,860 --> 04:34:04,860
is the information that's provided in here. Adequate for the

924
04:34:04,860 --> 04:34:10,216
township of Scugog to say that we have adequately. Consulted

925
04:34:10,216 --> 04:34:14,940
MSifn on this project. Hear you, madam. Well, in fact,

926
04:34:16,342 --> 04:34:17,662
You've kind of hit the nut on the head very

927
04:34:17,662 --> 04:34:23,018
well. In fact, if town council asked the minister to

928
04:34:23,018 --> 04:34:26,984
consider. And if they so considered to issue a minister's

929
04:34:26,984 --> 04:34:30,584
owning order, it's up for. The minister to decide if

930
04:34:30,584 --> 04:34:33,184
the minister is happy with all of the things that

931
04:34:33,184 --> 04:34:36,064
have been done. Is the minister happy with our community

932
04:34:36,064 --> 04:34:42,064
outreach? Is the minister happy with how we've approached MSiFn

933
04:34:42,064 --> 04:34:45,023
the duty to consult is actually the crowns. It's the

934
04:34:45,023 --> 04:34:50,008
ministers. It's not a town. It's not ours. The crime

935
04:34:50,008 --> 04:34:55,368
has the obligation and the crown can easily call Msifn

936
04:34:55,368 --> 04:34:59,688
and ask and engage themselves the minister needs to make.

937
04:34:59,688 --> 04:35:02,808
In this case, it's a him, his own decision, am.

938
04:35:02,808 --> 04:35:05,768
I going to issue an MZO? If the minister doesn't

939
04:35:05,768 --> 04:35:08,208
like it? If the minister. Doesn't, then he won't do

940
04:35:08,208 --> 04:35:11,122
it, and there's no appea. Appeal. There's nothing we can

941
04:35:11,122 --> 04:35:13,002
say about it. If he turns it down, he turns

942
04:35:13,002 --> 04:35:16,322
it. Down. If the minister approves it, the minister can

943
04:35:16,322 --> 04:35:20,202
approve it, and the minister can attach any condition the

944
04:35:20,202 --> 04:35:24,202
minister likes. The minister can say, I want you to

945
04:35:24,202 --> 04:35:27,202
do ten environmental studies and then it has to be

946
04:35:27,202 --> 04:35:31,020
done. The minister can set any condition. So. One further

947
04:35:31,020 --> 04:35:32,540
question on this, madam. There, and then I'll leave it

948
04:35:32,540 --> 04:35:40,360
alone. And what happens if MsIFN or any of the

949
04:35:40,360 --> 04:35:46,179
other, I think, ten signatories to the. Williams lake treaties.

950
04:35:48,106 --> 04:35:52,213
Are unhappy with. The considerations that the township as Cougar

951
04:35:52,213 --> 04:35:58,809
has given. To their request for meaningful engagement. With some

952
04:35:58,809 --> 04:36:02,133
repercussions for us. Well, I'm not a lawyer, and I

953
04:36:02,133 --> 04:36:03,933
could ask you. I think we have a lawyer. Our

954
04:36:03,933 --> 04:36:07,333
own lawyer there. But the answer is that the duty

955
04:36:07,333 --> 04:36:15,130
to consult the obligation. To consult is the crowns, not

956
04:36:15,130 --> 04:36:18,610
ours and not yours and not the towns, and that's.

957
04:36:18,610 --> 04:36:21,330
Gone all the way. There's a small town in British

958
04:36:21,330 --> 04:36:24,650
Columbia. They had the same dilemma. You did. It went

959
04:36:24,650 --> 04:36:26,690
all the way to the Supreme Court of Canada, and

960
04:36:26,690 --> 04:36:30,530
the Supreme Court said, it is not the town's obligation

961
04:36:30,530 --> 04:36:33,720
because it's outside of. Your knowledge and capacity. It is

962
04:36:33,720 --> 04:36:36,960
the crown. And us too. It's the crown. So the

963
04:36:36,960 --> 04:36:41,040
minister will make his decision on this. It's his to

964
04:36:41,040 --> 04:36:45,985
do and our position. We're open to any discussion with

965
04:36:45,985 --> 04:36:53,275
MSiFn. Thus far. There's an archaeological studies already been done.

966
04:36:53,275 --> 04:36:58,331
It's been provided. There were three levels of study. It

967
04:36:58,331 --> 04:37:01,171
already said there's nothing on this site you can issue.

968
04:37:02,257 --> 04:37:05,857
A development permit and you already did for the plan

969
04:37:05,857 --> 04:37:10,114
of subdivision you've already previously done. That. So it's all

970
04:37:10,114 --> 04:37:13,154
to the minister. Okay, very good. That's all for now.

971
04:37:13,154 --> 04:37:18,746
Thank you. Thank you, Councilor McDougall. If there are no

972
04:37:18,746 --> 04:37:23,546
further comments or questions of Mr. Methurst. We will continue

973
04:37:23,546 --> 04:37:31,696
on and we will move on to our delegation. 9.4

974
04:37:31,696 --> 04:37:35,896
from Rob Maservi on behalf of the Skigog Lake stewards

975
04:37:35,896 --> 04:37:40,136
regarding the Amsetto request. Rob, come on forward. Thank you,

976
04:37:40,136 --> 04:37:41,136
Mr. Matturst.

977
04:37:58,447 --> 04:38:05,034
Good. Go ahead. Welcome. And you can start anytime you're

978
04:38:05,034 --> 04:38:09,586
ready. Madam Mayor, members of council, thank you for the

979
04:38:09,586 --> 04:38:12,146
opportunity to speak to you on behalf of the Scoogog

980
04:38:12,146 --> 04:38:15,186
Lake. Stewart's number of my board members are present tonight.

981
04:38:16,971 --> 04:38:18,851
I'll first speak to a resolution passed by our board

982
04:38:18,851 --> 04:38:22,285
just last week. Which I filed with the clerk. I

983
04:38:22,285 --> 04:38:25,485
believe that the resolution has been provided to you and

984
04:38:25,485 --> 04:38:28,245
I'll. Then have some additional comments. So we're aware that

985
04:38:28,245 --> 04:38:30,885
township is currently in receipt. Of the Avenue Properties development

986
04:38:30,885 --> 04:38:35,085
proposal, which seeks to rezone lands to facilitate intensive residential

987
04:38:35,085 --> 04:38:38,485
development on private services directly adjacent to the lake at

988
04:38:38,485 --> 04:38:42,856
the mouth of cockers creek. This proposal is conceptual only

989
04:38:42,856 --> 04:38:46,256
without the necessary data and studies to enable essential assessment

990
04:38:46,256 --> 04:38:49,856
of its potential short and long term impacts on the

991
04:38:49,856 --> 04:38:52,256
health of the lake and therefore the economy of the

992
04:38:52,256 --> 04:38:55,976
community. The proponent's apparent intention is to obtain rezoning approval

993
04:38:55,976 --> 04:38:57,776
of their proposal for the land through the new bill

994
04:38:57,776 --> 04:39:04,133
185 and a ministerial zoning. Order. Does council support this

995
04:39:04,133 --> 04:39:08,453
ministerial zoning order in the face of missing prerequisite information

996
04:39:08,453 --> 04:39:11,493
or feedback? From the community to evaluate its short and

997
04:39:11,493 --> 04:39:14,853
long term impact to lake Scoog for the record. Scuba

998
04:39:14,853 --> 04:39:19,453
Lake Stewards, Inc. Was established March 2003 as a nonprofit

999
04:39:19,453 --> 04:39:23,141
charitable corporation with a mandate which includes the conserv. Conservation

1000
04:39:23,141 --> 04:39:26,381
and protection of Lake Scoogog in its watershed and to

1001
04:39:26,381 --> 04:39:29,141
increase public awareness of the Blake health and support for

1002
04:39:29,141 --> 04:39:34,061
continued economic, social and recreational development around the lake in

1003
04:39:34,061 --> 04:39:37,381
an ecologically responsible and sustainable manner. We believe that the

1004
04:39:37,381 --> 04:39:39,901
health and vitality of Lake Scoogog is critical to the

1005
04:39:39,901 --> 04:39:43,672
continued success of the economy of the township of. Scogog

1006
04:39:43,672 --> 04:39:47,801
and its livability and viability as a community. Especially since

1007
04:39:47,801 --> 04:39:52,521
around 2015 or about 2015, we have observed further deterioration

1008
04:39:52,521 --> 04:39:56,466
of lake quality. Including the subject area, through the impact

1009
04:39:56,466 --> 04:39:59,026
of many factors, including the various results of recent climate

1010
04:39:59,026 --> 04:40:03,186
change. The introduction of destructive invasive species and continued shoreline

1011
04:40:03,186 --> 04:40:07,546
development, deteriorating near shore viability and balance to name a

1012
04:40:07,546 --> 04:40:10,995
few. And just to add to this point, Long term

1013
04:40:10,995 --> 04:40:14,755
monitoring, including some sampling we just did last week of

1014
04:40:14,755 --> 04:40:17,795
Cockers Creek and its outlet. Shows virtually all environmental and

1015
04:40:17,795 --> 04:40:23,035
water quality parameters, such as total phosphorus, nitrogen, chlorides, and

1016
04:40:23,035 --> 04:40:28,338
benthic macro. Invertebrates. Get a grade of D. The scublic

1017
04:40:28,338 --> 04:40:30,738
stewards are supportive of continued development in the township at

1018
04:40:30,738 --> 04:40:34,138
Scoogogen. Would not oppose development, including elements of this one,

1019
04:40:34,138 --> 04:40:37,698
provided it's been evaluated positively with regard to its short

1020
04:40:37,698 --> 04:40:40,098
and long term impact on the environment generally and upon

1021
04:40:40,098 --> 04:40:44,777
Lakes Scoogog in particular. Therefore, the Scuba Lake stewards supportive

1022
04:40:44,777 --> 04:40:49,297
directors have resolved that squoglike stewards, Inc. Recommends that council

1023
04:40:49,297 --> 04:40:52,817
not support advancing this major conceptual proposal to the province

1024
04:40:52,817 --> 04:40:55,977
at this time or until such time as the necessary

1025
04:40:55,977 --> 04:40:59,937
detailed information is provided that confirms, based on science based

1026
04:40:59,937 --> 04:41:03,627
assessments, that the development will not negatively. Impact the health

1027
04:41:03,627 --> 04:41:07,027
of the lake and or the municipality's financial responsibilities in

1028
04:41:07,027 --> 04:41:09,547
both the short and long term and further, prior to

1029
04:41:09,547 --> 04:41:11,987
making any decision on the proposed development that the township

1030
04:41:11,987 --> 04:41:16,907
council not the proponent, hold a public hearing or hearings

1031
04:41:16,907 --> 04:41:19,867
to enable residents and stakeholders the opportunity to be updated

1032
04:41:19,867 --> 04:41:23,489
on council's due diligence. About the potential impacts of this

1033
04:41:23,489 --> 04:41:28,329
development on Port Perry's overall livability and economic viability together,

1034
04:41:28,329 --> 04:41:30,769
importantly, with the impact upon the health of Lake Scoogog,

1035
04:41:30,769 --> 04:41:34,209
a lake already under threat. So some additional comments if

1036
04:41:34,209 --> 04:41:36,209
I could, Madam mayor, I'd like to make on behalf

1037
04:41:36,209 --> 04:41:39,009
of the stewards. Based on review of the project brief,

1038
04:41:39,009 --> 04:41:41,489
section 47 of the Planning act. And the MMAH website.

1039
04:41:43,116 --> 04:41:47,036
I don't see the imperative nor the benefit nor the

1040
04:41:47,036 --> 04:41:50,596
feasibility of an mz owed. To establish unit density for

1041
04:41:50,596 --> 04:41:54,636
this development at this time. First, where is the imperative?

1042
04:41:54,636 --> 04:41:58,716
Where is the provincial interest does a 582 unit proposal

1043
04:41:58,716 --> 04:42:02,492
number should be in question. And one that mentions a

1044
04:42:02,492 --> 04:42:04,972
health center and some level of transit in its conceptual

1045
04:42:04,972 --> 04:42:07,332
plan in order to check some of the provincial criteria

1046
04:42:07,332 --> 04:42:10,852
boxes constitute or create a reasonable level of provincial interest.

1047
04:42:12,585 --> 04:42:16,985
The Ministry of Municipal affairs and Housing website on MZTO's

1048
04:42:16,985 --> 04:42:21,305
states, quote, as best practice, proponents should consider whether there's

1049
04:42:21,305 --> 04:42:25,385
a demonstrable need for urgency of zoning relief. Such as

1050
04:42:25,385 --> 04:42:29,025
timelines related to funding or grants or an emergency public

1051
04:42:29,025 --> 04:42:33,983
health and safety concern. Proponents should also assess project feasibility

1052
04:42:33,983 --> 04:42:36,583
prior to making a request, such as anticipated timelines related

1053
04:42:36,583 --> 04:42:42,198
to applying for downstream approvals. And progress to address water

1054
04:42:42,198 --> 04:42:45,558
and wastewater and other servicing. So is council satisfied the

1055
04:42:45,558 --> 04:42:50,049
proponent has met these considerations. Secondly, what's the benefit? I

1056
04:42:50,049 --> 04:42:52,849
don't see benefit to the township in supporting an M.

1057
04:42:52,849 --> 04:42:57,078
Said, which would seem to remove. Or usurp the township's

1058
04:42:57,078 --> 04:43:01,194
control and authority over key elements. Of this development process?

1059
04:43:01,194 --> 04:43:04,354
And thirdly, how is it feasible for the proponent to

1060
04:43:04,354 --> 04:43:08,594
propose or the province to approve a unit density and

1061
04:43:08,594 --> 04:43:11,514
land uses. At this time, I don't see how. A

1062
04:43:11,514 --> 04:43:13,794
unit density can be effectively established. At this time, there

1063
04:43:13,794 --> 04:43:17,874
are no substantive science based studies to support the densities

1064
04:43:17,874 --> 04:43:22,300
proposed. For example, there have been. No updated studies undertaken

1065
04:43:22,300 --> 04:43:27,300
to support the redefinition of specific environmental zones and wetland

1066
04:43:27,300 --> 04:43:32,100
boundaries. And setbacks from development. There have been no comprehensive

1067
04:43:32,100 --> 04:43:37,092
geotechnical. Just a couple, few more seconds. Okay, you're past

1068
04:43:37,092 --> 04:43:40,692
your five nor hydrogeological studies. That have addressed soil stability

1069
04:43:40,692 --> 04:43:42,652
in the carrying capacity of the site for the density

1070
04:43:42,652 --> 04:43:46,803
and sighting of units proposed. There could be major threats

1071
04:43:46,803 --> 04:43:49,963
to the site in Cockers Creek from sedimentation, contamination and

1072
04:43:49,963 --> 04:43:53,523
other impacts from construction and possible failure or overloading of

1073
04:43:53,523 --> 04:43:56,883
services. So my other question is what's? The rush to

1074
04:43:56,883 --> 04:43:58,883
take this to the province? That a proper basis for

1075
04:43:58,883 --> 04:44:02,003
determining an acceptable density? In site plan, so it seems

1076
04:44:02,003 --> 04:44:06,334
premature and without benefit. My final comment, madam, may. Mayor,

1077
04:44:06,334 --> 04:44:10,014
if you allow me. Is that an option to denial

1078
04:44:10,014 --> 04:44:12,734
of this request from avenue by council? Is deferral of

1079
04:44:12,734 --> 04:44:15,134
this matter to staff. From a meeting I had with

1080
04:44:15,134 --> 04:44:18,614
senior staff last week it was confirmed. Stop is not

1081
04:44:18,614 --> 04:44:21,974
in a position currently to advise counsel on this matter.

1082
04:44:21,974 --> 04:44:24,574
Deferral. To staff would enable them to lead and conduct

1083
04:44:24,574 --> 04:44:28,949
necessary assessments of. And consultations on the merits of seeking

1084
04:44:28,949 --> 04:44:32,389
an McEdot and the feasibility of elements of the proposal

1085
04:44:32,389 --> 04:44:36,188
and bring recommendations back to council. Part of that process.

1086
04:44:37,995 --> 04:44:39,995
Consultations. Thank you very much. Thank you for this opportunity.

1087
04:44:41,521 --> 04:44:47,802
Are there any questions to Mr. Masovi? Councilor Rock. Thank

1088
04:44:47,802 --> 04:44:55,411
you. Thanks for coming up. I always appreciate you coming

1089
04:44:55,411 --> 04:44:58,480
and providing the information. Whether we agree or disagree on

1090
04:44:58,480 --> 04:45:00,960
the topic, I always enjoy the conversation that we have

1091
04:45:00,960 --> 04:45:05,038
on any of them, and I appreciate that. In taking

1092
04:45:05,038 --> 04:45:06,998
a look at the letter that you read and some

1093
04:45:06,998 --> 04:45:12,404
of the concerns. Have any of the concerns stated in

1094
04:45:12,404 --> 04:45:17,797
that letter? Been removed based on hearing what that MZO

1095
04:45:17,797 --> 04:45:21,517
was looking to do and not do so for example,

1096
04:45:21,517 --> 04:45:23,957
all of the environmental reports are going to be done

1097
04:45:23,957 --> 04:45:27,117
before anything's happening, I guess. When we hear the actual

1098
04:45:27,117 --> 04:45:30,662
request of what's being done. Does it structurally change any

1099
04:45:30,662 --> 04:45:33,942
of the things in the declaration from the Lake Stewarts

1100
04:45:33,942 --> 04:45:36,836
that you put forward. Because I guess my concern is.

1101
04:45:39,029 --> 04:45:40,469
I didn't hear that. They're looking for a rezoning, for

1102
04:45:40,469 --> 04:45:43,687
example. It is already zoned to do that. And correct

1103
04:45:43,687 --> 04:45:46,747
me if I'm wrong. You won't be asked to leave

1104
04:45:46,747 --> 04:45:54,605
if you interrupt again. What I heard was this was

1105
04:45:54,605 --> 04:45:56,765
already zoned for subdivision, right. So this is just a

1106
04:45:56,765 --> 04:46:00,971
matter. Of density. It's not a matter of zoning. So

1107
04:46:00,971 --> 04:46:04,771
I guess my concern is I appreciate everything you're saying.

1108
04:46:04,771 --> 04:46:09,608
Absolutely. And I absolutely agree that all of these things

1109
04:46:09,608 --> 04:46:12,048
have to be done. But I think from what I've

1110
04:46:12,048 --> 04:46:14,888
heard and from what I've read or taken away from

1111
04:46:14,888 --> 04:46:18,288
going through these things are. All of these things will

1112
04:46:18,288 --> 04:46:23,149
be done, but. Instead of going through the process for

1113
04:46:23,149 --> 04:46:27,589
the next couple of years, arguing back and forth around

1114
04:46:27,589 --> 04:46:30,829
how many houses exactly can be built here or there.

1115
04:46:30,829 --> 04:46:33,549
It's setting that parameter out and then working to make

1116
04:46:33,549 --> 04:46:39,234
sure it will be feasible. And it will be. Environmentally

1117
04:46:39,234 --> 04:46:42,805
sustainable to do that. So I appreciate the concern. I

1118
04:46:42,805 --> 04:46:45,725
agree with the concern. And if we were voting on

1119
04:46:45,725 --> 04:46:47,645
actual approval, of this, I would have a lot more

1120
04:46:47,645 --> 04:46:51,165
concerns, but that's not what we're being asked to do

1121
04:46:51,165 --> 04:46:54,365
tonight, in my mind, we're being asked the question of.

1122
04:46:55,962 --> 04:46:58,282
Density, not any of these other questions. So I just

1123
04:46:58,282 --> 04:47:00,922
wanted to. Based on what you've. Heard. Do any of

1124
04:47:00,922 --> 04:47:04,962
your opinions or anything that we've heard from you today

1125
04:47:04,962 --> 04:47:11,242
change? Thank you, Councilor Rock. Appreciate your question. I would

1126
04:47:11,242 --> 04:47:15,494
say from my continuing review. Of materials been made available.

1127
04:47:17,641 --> 04:47:21,767
Our position remains. My concern. I think the concern of

1128
04:47:21,767 --> 04:47:28,272
the stewards is that. Setting a density now. Without studies

1129
04:47:28,272 --> 04:47:34,062
that would basically determine the development envelope seems premature. In

1130
04:47:34,062 --> 04:47:43,365
the brief ghd. Has just contracted. Two very excellent. Ecologists

1131
04:47:43,365 --> 04:47:49,179
to begin to update. Environmental feasibility study. They sign their

1132
04:47:49,179 --> 04:47:50,979
contract on June the third, I think if I can

1133
04:47:50,979 --> 04:47:54,847
recall from the brief. So that's three weeks ago. And

1134
04:47:54,847 --> 04:48:01,201
in the proposal, it was suggested that. There's probably some

1135
04:48:01,201 --> 04:48:04,601
obvious changes in the boundaries of the wetland and other

1136
04:48:04,601 --> 04:48:09,175
environmentally sensitive features. Since studies were previously done, and I

1137
04:48:09,175 --> 04:48:12,655
assume those were in concert with the original proposal, so.

1138
04:48:14,801 --> 04:48:17,938
It's already been. I think, considered that there have been

1139
04:48:17,938 --> 04:48:20,858
ecological changes on the site. So I guess our view

1140
04:48:20,858 --> 04:48:24,058
is how do you set a density within a building

1141
04:48:24,058 --> 04:48:29,826
envelope when we don't know? What are the effective land

1142
04:48:29,826 --> 04:48:34,986
uses available and what are the new environmental protection zones

1143
04:48:34,986 --> 04:48:37,386
going to be? How much of that developed land, as

1144
04:48:37,386 --> 04:48:40,426
presented in the brief, is actually developable, and it seems

1145
04:48:40,426 --> 04:48:43,586
to me premature to send something to the province to

1146
04:48:43,586 --> 04:48:50,809
take away from. The council's oversight of this planning process

1147
04:48:50,809 --> 04:48:54,409
before very basic information like that is in hand. It

1148
04:48:54,409 --> 04:48:57,769
just doesn't make sense to me. Let's let that environmental

1149
04:48:57,769 --> 04:49:02,257
feasibility study. Proceed and have that come back as part

1150
04:49:02,257 --> 04:49:05,177
of what I'm suggesting, perhaps as an option. Back to

1151
04:49:05,177 --> 04:49:07,817
staff as part of a staff report to say, here's

1152
04:49:07,817 --> 04:49:10,588
what we think is a reasonable density. In terms of

1153
04:49:10,588 --> 04:49:14,663
rezoning or zoning. I thought density was part of. The

1154
04:49:14,663 --> 04:49:19,623
zoning. So I think just some fundamental information, councilor, that

1155
04:49:19,623 --> 04:49:21,783
seems to me lacking for this. To have merit to

1156
04:49:21,783 --> 04:49:26,759
go to the province at this time. Thank you. Thank

1157
04:49:26,759 --> 04:49:32,550
you, Councilor Rock. Are there any other questions? To mr.

1158
04:49:32,550 --> 04:49:42,195
Maso. Called you, counselor. Councilor Loroy. Yes. Thank you,

1159
04:49:42,195 --> 04:49:49,769
madam. Through you to Mr. Mercervy. You are somewhat unique,

1160
04:49:49,769 --> 04:49:54,569
deputy, having Lake Stewart's role and former CIO of court

1161
04:49:54,569 --> 04:50:00,400
conservation. Of course. That. Makes you quite an expert in

1162
04:50:00,400 --> 04:50:02,720
many matters that we discuss here at council. So thank

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04:50:02,720 --> 04:50:06,485
you for bringing your perspectives. And just to extend on

1164
04:50:06,485 --> 04:50:11,406
that, I'm intrigued by your idea of requesting staff. To

1165
04:50:11,406 --> 04:50:15,591
examine. This further. And I'm curious, what is the position

1166
04:50:15,591 --> 04:50:19,031
of the lake stewards with regard to what the expectations

1167
04:50:19,031 --> 04:50:23,561
of staff would be should we decide to. Defer to

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04:50:23,561 --> 04:50:28,388
staff evaluation. Do you have some guide posts that you

1169
04:50:28,388 --> 04:50:30,948
would like to share with where you think that study?

1170
04:50:30,948 --> 04:50:37,077
Should go or be directed. Thank you, Councilor Leroy. Stewart

1171
04:50:37,077 --> 04:50:40,477
we haven't had, I would say, an in depth discussion

1172
04:50:40,477 --> 04:50:44,277
about that particular option. We knew it was certainly a

1173
04:50:44,277 --> 04:50:48,646
consideration. I think what we agree upon is that the

1174
04:50:48,646 --> 04:50:54,792
additional time. For additional studies to be undertaken and completed

1175
04:50:54,792 --> 04:51:00,741
and part of. The information base of science based information

1176
04:51:00,741 --> 04:51:04,061
would be be valuable as part of that process that

1177
04:51:04,061 --> 04:51:12,081
staff would coordinate. So. It retains. Going to stop. Retains.

1178
04:51:13,803 --> 04:51:16,923
The oversight of the development process for now with the

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04:51:16,923 --> 04:51:23,962
township. It enables staff to have meaningful. Consultation and engagement

1180
04:51:23,962 --> 04:51:26,482
with those who have an interest, who may not, at

1181
04:51:26,482 --> 04:51:30,272
this point have had that opportunity this has been. Moving

1182
04:51:30,272 --> 04:51:33,159
pretty fast. I do appreciate. Mr. Methurst and his team

1183
04:51:33,159 --> 04:51:36,679
have had extensive consultations, but there's a lot more. That

1184
04:51:36,679 --> 04:51:39,679
need to be held. So I think our view, councilor,

1185
04:51:39,679 --> 04:51:44,639
is that this provides time for critical studies which will

1186
04:51:44,639 --> 04:51:50,366
address really the whole essence of what's developable and. From

1187
04:51:50,366 --> 04:51:55,176
what densities can be. Can be established and also provides

1188
04:51:55,176 --> 04:52:00,736
for meaningful engagement within the community that council can benefit

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04:52:00,736 --> 04:52:04,216
from before council makes its decision whether an MZ O

1190
04:52:04,216 --> 04:52:09,856
is required, whether it's a benefit et cetera. Any further

1191
04:52:09,856 --> 04:52:17,135
questions from any counselors. Seeing none. Thank you very much

1192
04:52:17,135 --> 04:52:22,824
for your presentation. Thank you, ma'am. Sorry. Sit back down,

1193
04:52:22,824 --> 04:52:30,981
Rob. Council, guido. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Mercervi, for

1194
04:52:30,981 --> 04:52:35,120
taking your seat again. Just a quick question. Scoogog late.

1195
04:52:35,120 --> 04:52:40,680
Stewards have been around since 2003. What were your positions

1196
04:52:40,680 --> 04:52:42,840
or the position of the committee at the time, with

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04:52:42,840 --> 04:52:47,488
the development in Canterbury? And then. The new houses that

1198
04:52:47,488 --> 04:52:51,328
were built along Castle Harbor Drive, was there a similar

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04:52:51,328 --> 04:52:54,888
position that would have been given at that time? Or

1200
04:52:54,888 --> 04:52:59,677
is this more specific to the location? Of the proximity

1201
04:52:59,677 --> 04:53:03,407
to the lake. Thanks. Councilor. That question for you, Madam

1202
04:53:03,407 --> 04:53:08,087
Mayor. I can't really comment. Back to Castle. Harbor development

1203
04:53:08,087 --> 04:53:12,487
personally, but I was involved with some elements of Canterbury

1204
04:53:12,487 --> 04:53:18,520
commons development not relating to an Mz O. The issue

1205
04:53:18,520 --> 04:53:21,040
before us is an MZO, not so much the development.

1206
04:53:22,825 --> 04:53:28,928
But for Canterbury commons. We had, I think, stewards and

1207
04:53:28,928 --> 04:53:32,688
other organizations and the public had a major interest in

1208
04:53:32,688 --> 04:53:38,078
how that site would be treated. Before the plan was

1209
04:53:38,078 --> 04:53:44,198
approved in terms of particularly stormwater management and servicing. And

1210
04:53:44,198 --> 04:53:50,291
how could we protect Lake Scoogog from. Possibilities of erosion

1211
04:53:50,291 --> 04:53:53,691
and contamination and celtation. And so we spent a lot

1212
04:53:53,691 --> 04:53:57,451
of time with the engineering team from the proponent to

1213
04:53:57,451 --> 04:54:00,656
ensure that they were using. What they consider to be.

1214
04:54:02,471 --> 04:54:05,936
A high degree of technology. New technology. So that was

1215
04:54:05,936 --> 04:54:08,696
our focus from the stewards, was what's the impact on

1216
04:54:08,696 --> 04:54:12,816
the lake? In terms of what could possibly happen in

1217
04:54:12,816 --> 04:54:16,296
terms of impacts from the site and from runoff and

1218
04:54:16,296 --> 04:54:20,096
unfortunately, notwithstanding that, I think there was a considerable investment

1219
04:54:20,096 --> 04:54:23,837
in studies and. There was a lot of convincing of

1220
04:54:23,837 --> 04:54:27,362
us that they had the technology in place. There were

1221
04:54:27,362 --> 04:54:34,934
massive situations of major. Erosion, sedimentation and just claims of

1222
04:54:34,934 --> 04:54:40,205
silty material into the lake Durhan aspects of construction. So

1223
04:54:40,205 --> 04:54:41,645
that's sort of all I can comment on. That was

1224
04:54:41,645 --> 04:54:45,165
our area of focus, counselor. I can't relate that to

1225
04:54:45,165 --> 04:54:49,125
tonight's conversation on MZto, if that's. Helpful. Perfect. Thank you.

1226
04:54:49,125 --> 04:54:52,445
But there were some lessons learned from that development that

1227
04:54:52,445 --> 04:54:56,907
the Lake Stewarts have built. Their knowledge base, particularly to

1228
04:54:56,907 --> 04:55:01,072
scoogog around them. Yes, I would say that example. We've

1229
04:55:01,072 --> 04:55:05,034
learned from. Yes. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, councilor.

1230
04:55:06,700 --> 04:55:13,525
To councilor Guillo's comments. Had the density been determined before

1231
04:55:13,525 --> 04:55:17,070
you had these meetings? I can't answer that, Madam mayor.

1232
04:55:17,070 --> 04:55:20,464
I don't know. Okay. Thank you.

1233
04:55:27,476 --> 04:55:28,836
This time. Thank you.

1234
04:55:37,665 --> 04:55:47,197
Okay. Residents of Castle

1235
04:55:47,197 --> 04:55:52,802
harbor, please come forward. Thank you and welcome. Kathy, in

1236
04:55:52,802 --> 04:55:55,722
the final five minutes. Go ahead when you're ready. Okay.

1237
04:55:55,722 --> 04:55:58,282
First, I would like to start by just saying that

1238
04:55:58,282 --> 04:56:00,602
I feel that the township should not grant the sims.

1239
04:56:00,602 --> 04:56:04,242
I don't request. I feel that the residents and a

1240
04:56:04,242 --> 04:56:06,482
lot of the other residents feel the same. I know

1241
04:56:06,482 --> 04:56:13,356
have not. Had sufficient time to even look at the

1242
04:56:13,356 --> 04:56:17,476
459 page MZ eight o request. I don't know if

1243
04:56:17,476 --> 04:56:19,676
any of the counselors have been able to get through

1244
04:56:19,676 --> 04:56:23,784
it. In order to understand the process, the rapifications this

1245
04:56:23,784 --> 04:56:28,180
order will entail. We were only given the information three

1246
04:56:28,180 --> 04:56:31,820
business days ago prior to this meeting and two business

1247
04:56:31,820 --> 04:56:35,140
days. Before the deadline to submit a request to speak,

1248
04:56:35,140 --> 04:56:37,940
so it was virtually impossible to be able to get

1249
04:56:37,940 --> 04:56:41,220
a lot of information out of that 450 page document.

1250
04:56:42,883 --> 04:56:50,581
Anyways. Mr. Medhirst went on about how this plan. Adheres

1251
04:56:50,581 --> 04:56:58,330
to. The. Official plan for Scoogog. First of all, although

1252
04:56:58,330 --> 04:57:02,612
I'd like to say something. About the zoning. And I

1253
04:57:02,612 --> 04:57:05,452
did get through some of that report on page 138.

1254
04:57:06,812 --> 04:57:10,052
It does say in that large book that the zoning

1255
04:57:10,052 --> 04:57:17,022
bylaw changes. Will be asked in the mzo. Currently zoned

1256
04:57:17,022 --> 04:57:21,102
r three, which does not allow for apartments. They are

1257
04:57:21,102 --> 04:57:24,342
asking the Mzo to divide the site into two zones.

1258
04:57:24,342 --> 04:57:28,622
Zone one for single, detached, and townhomes, which would be

1259
04:57:28,622 --> 04:57:32,862
called RM three and zone two, which would allow apartments

1260
04:57:32,862 --> 04:57:37,561
and commercial space. So they are asking the MZO for

1261
04:57:37,561 --> 04:57:40,161
zoning changes, just if you want to look that up.

1262
04:57:40,161 --> 04:57:44,134
But that's on page 138. That's a little bit. I

1263
04:57:44,134 --> 04:57:48,334
got some of that red. Anyway, the official plan for

1264
04:57:48,334 --> 04:57:57,420
lakes. For. The township. Does state, however. In this MZO

1265
04:57:57,420 --> 04:58:01,060
council resolution, they say, whereas the township has identified port

1266
04:58:01,060 --> 04:58:04,060
period as the highest priority area for new development and

1267
04:58:04,060 --> 04:58:08,140
intensification, particular in greenfield sites. That's one of their comments

1268
04:58:08,140 --> 04:58:12,456
in the resolution. Our official plan states that township consists

1269
04:58:12,456 --> 04:58:16,936
of many significant environmental features. Approximately 20% of land is

1270
04:58:16,936 --> 04:58:20,216
within the Oak Ridges Marine and the remaining 80% within

1271
04:58:20,216 --> 04:58:24,216
the green belt. The significant natural heritage features valley system

1272
04:58:24,216 --> 04:58:29,376
significant forest areas and wetlands provide habitat for a wide

1273
04:58:29,376 --> 04:58:34,440
range. Of fish, wildlife, vegetation. There is sufficient land available

1274
04:58:34,440 --> 04:58:38,200
for development in the township without the need to disturb

1275
04:58:38,200 --> 04:58:42,680
these environmentally sensitive areas. I guess they didn't see that

1276
04:58:42,680 --> 04:58:46,873
part of the official plan. It also provide the official

1277
04:58:46,873 --> 04:58:50,885
plan says. The township will provide for the protection and

1278
04:58:50,885 --> 04:58:54,485
preservation of the natural environment through the Oak Ridges. Marine

1279
04:58:54,485 --> 04:58:58,605
conservation plan, green belt plan, and within the settlement areas.

1280
04:59:00,241 --> 04:59:07,779
Another comment. It says. Whereas the proposal replaces a limited

1281
04:59:07,779 --> 04:59:12,664
use, large lot, single home estate subdivision. It goes on

1282
04:59:12,664 --> 04:59:14,384
a little bit from there, but since I don't have

1283
04:59:14,384 --> 04:59:17,726
time, I won't. Read the rest. Avenue Properties is not

1284
04:59:17,726 --> 04:59:21,246
a developer. They admit that they have never built any

1285
04:59:21,246 --> 04:59:25,446
project like this before. This will be a pilot project

1286
04:59:25,446 --> 04:59:29,966
being done on environmentally sense of land bordering lake Scoogog.

1287
04:59:29,966 --> 04:59:33,520
I feel this is a high risk project. The township

1288
04:59:33,520 --> 04:59:36,680
should not turn the decision making process over to the

1289
04:59:36,680 --> 04:59:40,440
province in order to fast track a pilot project. So

1290
04:59:40,440 --> 04:59:45,560
we must ask what processes, reviews, assessments, environmental studies will

1291
04:59:45,560 --> 04:59:49,200
be shortchanged. In order to fast track this development. Once

1292
04:59:49,200 --> 04:59:52,501
the MZo is granted. There will be no turning back.

1293
04:59:54,162 --> 05:00:00,731
Also. Where am I? Here. The council unanously passed a

1294
05:00:00,731 --> 05:00:05,051
motion on February December 4, 2023, confirming they prepared to

1295
05:00:05,051 --> 05:00:09,011
explore the utilization of the community with structured housing that

1296
05:00:09,011 --> 05:00:12,011
has been changed. However, the point I wanted to make

1297
05:00:12,011 --> 05:00:15,331
there was that the motion was passed December 4 without.

1298
05:00:17,300 --> 05:00:22,180
Proper public consultation. The official plan also states the township

1299
05:00:22,180 --> 05:00:25,580
will make available to the public information regarding future development

1300
05:00:25,580 --> 05:00:29,020
patterns of the township in order to reduce speculation in

1301
05:00:29,020 --> 05:00:32,460
land, which arises when residents and land developers are not

1302
05:00:32,460 --> 05:00:36,260
aware of future development policies and plans. I don't feel

1303
05:00:36,260 --> 05:00:39,713
the resident. Residents have been properly informed about this at

1304
05:00:39,713 --> 05:00:44,273
all, given that we've only had three days. To prepare

1305
05:00:44,273 --> 05:00:52,696
for this meeting. Also. Just a couple more seconds. All

1306
05:00:52,696 --> 05:00:56,625
right. It says here too, whereas the proposed development forms

1307
05:00:56,625 --> 05:01:03,542
to the applicable policies of the regional op. Has explicit

1308
05:01:03,542 --> 05:01:07,542
permission for servicing by municipal water and private sewage systems.

1309
05:01:09,304 --> 05:01:11,624
I don't see where the explicit permission comes from. In

1310
05:01:11,624 --> 05:01:14,824
the MCO request, it states that they will have to

1311
05:01:14,824 --> 05:01:22,150
receive. Ministry of Environment. Conservation and parks approval and responsibility

1312
05:01:22,150 --> 05:01:27,190
agreement with the region for this private septic sewer system.

1313
05:01:27,190 --> 05:01:32,366
So how? Does that equate to explicit permission? Thank you

1314
05:01:32,366 --> 05:01:38,457
very much. Any questions to the delegate? I really don't

1315
05:01:38,457 --> 05:01:42,377
like to cut people off, but we have 14 delegations.

1316
05:01:47,805 --> 05:01:51,965
If we don't keep to a time script, we will

1317
05:01:51,965 --> 05:01:59,434
be here well past midnight. Anyway, censor development is on

1318
05:01:59,434 --> 05:02:03,522
environmentally connected land. Kathy, thank you very much. Are there

1319
05:02:03,522 --> 05:02:04,322
any questions to Kathy?

1320
05:02:16,899 --> 05:02:19,539
Thank you. We'll move on to our next delegate, who

1321
05:02:19,539 --> 05:02:25,524
is Nancy page. Nancy, if you're here, I don't have

1322
05:02:25,524 --> 05:02:30,489
an address for you, so please state your address. When

1323
05:02:30,489 --> 05:02:40,421
you come forward. Thank you. We'll control that. Nancy.

1324
05:02:40,421 --> 05:02:43,821
Page 15, Cockers cove Road. L nine, l one, p

1325
05:02:43,821 --> 05:02:47,769
four. Okay, go ahead. Thank you. And I have my

1326
05:02:47,769 --> 05:02:55,008
timer here as well. Perfect. So, first of all, thank

1327
05:02:55,008 --> 05:02:57,688
you for the opportunity to speak tonight. I am here

1328
05:02:57,688 --> 05:03:02,568
to voice my opposition to avenues request for an MZo

1329
05:03:02,568 --> 05:03:05,608
I'm going to talk from a very general. Layperson understanding

1330
05:03:05,608 --> 05:03:11,821
of this situation. Firstly, this municipal council is the most

1331
05:03:11,821 --> 05:03:16,221
important and powerful protector of our community, and it is

1332
05:03:16,221 --> 05:03:21,181
this. Council, not developers, that determines the developments and the

1333
05:03:21,181 --> 05:03:26,424
speed of developments in our community. As we know, accelerates

1334
05:03:26,424 --> 05:03:29,624
the development process from two to three years to three

1335
05:03:29,624 --> 05:03:35,591
months to support housing and developer goals. These may not

1336
05:03:35,591 --> 05:03:40,826
align with our community and our council goals. It bypasses

1337
05:03:40,826 --> 05:03:44,466
the Ontario Land Tribunal. It cannot be reviewed. It cannot

1338
05:03:44,466 --> 05:03:48,957
be appealed. It is final. It includes employment assessments, which.

1339
05:03:50,649 --> 05:03:52,929
Have been better just by me, but to a lesser

1340
05:03:52,929 --> 05:03:58,576
extent than the manual process. It means this council loses

1341
05:03:58,576 --> 05:04:04,016
control over critical components of this development. The Mississaugas of

1342
05:04:04,016 --> 05:04:09,136
Scogog island. The lake stewards and local residents are opposed

1343
05:04:09,136 --> 05:04:13,785
to this MZO. Court. The conservation has not been provided

1344
05:04:13,785 --> 05:04:17,265
with plans for review and comment. I understand this is

1345
05:04:17,265 --> 05:04:21,776
not a requirement, but their input is critical. I'm going

1346
05:04:21,776 --> 05:04:25,656
to quickly reference some things from Abby's presentation on page

1347
05:04:25,656 --> 05:04:30,528
126. There are reasons for requesting this MCO, and I

1348
05:04:30,528 --> 05:04:36,569
quote, investments are ended. Anything needed so financing can be.

1349
05:04:37,852 --> 05:04:41,947
Secured. Time is critical to unlock funding initiatives needed for

1350
05:04:41,947 --> 05:04:47,579
financial viability. Without an MZO and subsequent financing, they cannot

1351
05:04:47,579 --> 05:04:51,152
advance further. What does this mean? What time is what

1352
05:04:51,152 --> 05:04:55,272
initiatives? What happens if they get the Zenzio and. There's

1353
05:04:55,272 --> 05:04:59,922
another hiccup along the way. What I'm hearing, and I

1354
05:04:59,922 --> 05:05:02,122
could be wrong, is that they don't have the money

1355
05:05:02,122 --> 05:05:05,762
to build this. So who is advancing the money? Who

1356
05:05:05,762 --> 05:05:10,040
is in control? Are they going to flip this and

1357
05:05:10,040 --> 05:05:13,893
never come through? And since they don't have the money

1358
05:05:13,893 --> 05:05:17,853
to build this, why are they asking this council? To

1359
05:05:17,853 --> 05:05:23,614
help them accelerate things. I do not see transparency, accountability

1360
05:05:23,614 --> 05:05:27,495
or credibility here. To counsel. I say, why would you

1361
05:05:27,495 --> 05:05:30,975
even consider hurrying things up to help these guys out

1362
05:05:30,975 --> 05:05:34,283
if they don't have the money to do this. Whoever

1363
05:05:34,283 --> 05:05:36,803
ends up doing this is probably not going to be

1364
05:05:36,803 --> 05:05:43,519
them. Referencing page 43 and 180 of their presentation, as

1365
05:05:43,519 --> 05:05:46,639
well as section eight of the Ontario building code. Sewage

1366
05:05:46,639 --> 05:05:50,039
system design flows. Just as a quick example, because time

1367
05:05:50,039 --> 05:05:55,794
is short. But when you use their numbers, their plans

1368
05:05:55,794 --> 05:06:01,194
of 26 detached 36 time loses 520 apartment type units.

1369
05:06:02,810 --> 05:06:05,690
That number of 2.2 people per unit, and I crunch

1370
05:06:05,690 --> 05:06:09,577
those numbers through the Ontario building. Code. The daily wastewater

1371
05:06:09,577 --> 05:06:15,815
that will require treatment is 414,000 liters per day. Their

1372
05:06:15,815 --> 05:06:21,575
plans are for 280,000 liters per day, 68% of design

1373
05:06:21,575 --> 05:06:26,895
capacity, a full 32% unaccounted for, as per the Ontario

1374
05:06:26,895 --> 05:06:30,895
building code. I know they might have. Some highfalutant plans,

1375
05:06:30,895 --> 05:06:34,248
but I feel like I am missing something here. These

1376
05:06:34,248 --> 05:06:37,208
are just some red flags I quickly found on a

1377
05:06:37,208 --> 05:06:41,088
Sunday afternoon scanning a report that is high on vision,

1378
05:06:41,088 --> 05:06:44,488
low on details, and I can't imagine what a full

1379
05:06:44,488 --> 05:06:50,385
review might find. Given all this, it follows that it

1380
05:06:50,385 --> 05:06:54,705
is better that this development not proceed via any kind

1381
05:06:54,705 --> 05:06:58,945
of MZO so that this council can continue to ensure

1382
05:06:58,945 --> 05:07:04,356
proper review of all aspects of the development. In addition

1383
05:07:04,356 --> 05:07:07,076
to my previous questions, based on the points I raised,

1384
05:07:07,076 --> 05:07:10,436
I want to ask this council five questions. One, is

1385
05:07:10,436 --> 05:07:14,825
my general understanding correct? Two. Has the planning department issued

1386
05:07:14,825 --> 05:07:18,705
a planning report? Do they support this development? Do they

1387
05:07:18,705 --> 05:07:24,215
support this? MCO. And if so, why? Three addresses. Environmental

1388
05:07:24,215 --> 05:07:26,935
assessments. All I can say is we can't take any

1389
05:07:26,935 --> 05:07:32,724
shortcuts. Four. Do you support this development? If so, why?

1390
05:07:34,049 --> 05:07:37,409
Do you support an NZO for this development? If so,

1391
05:07:37,409 --> 05:07:42,188
why? I respectfully ask. This council votes against avenues MZo

1392
05:07:42,188 --> 05:07:46,497
request granting us the time to move. Forward prudently. Their

1393
05:07:46,497 --> 05:07:49,777
motives for an accelerated process are clear, and things don't

1394
05:07:49,777 --> 05:07:53,304
add up. But we do not have to be rushed.

1395
05:07:54,987 --> 05:07:58,467
Tonight's decisions could make things final. The environmental impact and

1396
05:07:58,467 --> 05:08:01,867
loss to our community is forever. We must take every

1397
05:08:01,867 --> 05:08:05,072
step. To protect. I ask that you did not have

1398
05:08:05,072 --> 05:08:08,312
any MCO request so that you can continue to act.

1399
05:08:08,312 --> 05:08:12,912
With patients. Prudence, collaboration, control and time. Thank you very

1400
05:08:12,912 --> 05:08:20,251
much. Are there any questions to the delegate? Seeing none,

1401
05:08:20,251 --> 05:08:22,651
thank you very much. Okay. And just a general process.

1402
05:08:22,651 --> 05:08:24,971
Question. My questions, will they be. Answered at some point.

1403
05:08:30,712 --> 05:08:33,935
If you submit them. Please. That would be great. Thank

1404
05:08:33,935 --> 05:08:43,573
you. Okay. Moving on to

1405
05:08:43,573 --> 05:08:49,619
9.7, which is a delegation from Janice Hamilton Dicker. Regarding

1406
05:08:49,619 --> 05:08:53,379
the Mzetto request. Janice, are you in the crowd here

1407
05:08:53,379 --> 05:08:54,379
somewhere? Oh, there you are.

1408
05:09:06,661 --> 05:09:09,021
Thank you. Go ahead. When you're ready. And you have

1409
05:09:09,021 --> 05:09:13,633
five minutes. Thank you. Good evening, mayor and council. I

1410
05:09:13,633 --> 05:09:16,953
represent others in the castle harbor and surrounding neighborhoods and

1411
05:09:16,953 --> 05:09:20,073
requests that you do not endorse the minister's zoning order

1412
05:09:20,073 --> 05:09:23,473
for avenue properties court if council wants to move forward

1413
05:09:23,473 --> 05:09:26,313
with this, then we in the community need more public

1414
05:09:26,313 --> 05:09:30,815
consultations before that. Is done. The lake, wetland and marsh

1415
05:09:30,815 --> 05:09:35,215
surrounding the site are evaluated as provincially significant that must

1416
05:09:35,215 --> 05:09:38,735
be protected in the words of our famous canadian painter,

1417
05:09:38,735 --> 05:09:42,935
Robert Bateman, we are wiping out our natural heritage. And

1418
05:09:42,935 --> 05:09:46,735
replacing it with uniformity, which is dangerous. It is creating

1419
05:09:46,735 --> 05:09:50,335
grandchild abuse because we will not leave. Them parcels of

1420
05:09:50,335 --> 05:09:53,855
land that are left in its natural state. This development

1421
05:09:53,855 --> 05:09:56,615
would destroy the marshland. And the habitat of hundreds of

1422
05:09:56,615 --> 05:10:00,735
birds, turtles, frogs, fish, an array of plant and wildlife.

1423
05:10:00,735 --> 05:10:04,375
All eight of Ontario's turtle species have been designated as

1424
05:10:04,375 --> 05:10:08,455
species at risk under the endangered Species act. The development

1425
05:10:08,455 --> 05:10:12,077
would impact and displ. Displace a variety of species. This

1426
05:10:12,077 --> 05:10:16,517
property is a popular corridor for wildlife. Please protect it.

1427
05:10:16,517 --> 05:10:19,517
Since at least 2004, this property has been under the

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05:10:19,517 --> 05:10:24,437
threat of development. On April 25, 2006, the Regional Municipality

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05:10:24,437 --> 05:10:28,677
of Durham Commissioner of Planning report stated that originally a

1430
05:10:28,677 --> 05:10:33,190
development of 25. Residential homes with a marina was proposed,

1431
05:10:33,190 --> 05:10:36,350
but was reduced to 20 homes in consideration of the

1432
05:10:36,350 --> 05:10:40,790
environment. Protection. And yet here we're talking about 600 units

1433
05:10:40,790 --> 05:10:43,470
and a road over a marsh area. What about the

1434
05:10:43,470 --> 05:10:46,990
buffer between the construction area and the wetland? With a

1435
05:10:46,990 --> 05:10:50,834
proposed marina, the buffer is gone. The proposed. New road

1436
05:10:50,834 --> 05:10:54,594
will run right through a provincially significant marsh area. In

1437
05:10:54,594 --> 05:10:58,394
looking at the Ontario online wetland mapping system. You can

1438
05:10:58,394 --> 05:11:01,474
clearly see the wetland, how many truckloads of soil will

1439
05:11:01,474 --> 05:11:04,434
be required to build this road. When the 20 homes

1440
05:11:04,434 --> 05:11:08,234
were to be built, 6000 truckloads of soil would have

1441
05:11:08,234 --> 05:11:11,259
been needed. How many truckloads of soil? Would be required

1442
05:11:11,259 --> 05:11:14,579
to build this new development and road. It would be

1443
05:11:14,579 --> 05:11:18,899
almost impossible to guarantee no contaminated soil is brought in.

1444
05:11:18,899 --> 05:11:22,139
Constructing roads and parking lots will destroy even more green

1445
05:11:22,139 --> 05:11:25,219
space and replace it with hard surface. More roads and

1446
05:11:25,219 --> 05:11:27,939
more parking lots equal more road salt in the winter

1447
05:11:27,939 --> 05:11:31,643
months. Road runoff and road salts will cont. Contaminate surrounding

1448
05:11:31,643 --> 05:11:35,563
waterways and wetlands and impact wildlife within the waters. How

1449
05:11:35,563 --> 05:11:38,923
will that be managed? Chlorides from road salts are toxic

1450
05:11:38,923 --> 05:11:44,003
to freshwater ecosystems and species and ecosystems. Enhanced amount of

1451
05:11:44,003 --> 05:11:48,603
road salts will transform cool freshwater environments into salty, warmer

1452
05:11:48,603 --> 05:11:52,429
walters waters. We all know that. More affordable housing is

1453
05:11:52,429 --> 05:11:55,829
needed. But the provincial government of Ontario has stated they

1454
05:11:55,829 --> 05:12:00,189
have ruled out allowing municipalities to build fourplexes and little

1455
05:12:00,189 --> 05:12:03,509
communities like ours. They stated it was off the table.

1456
05:12:03,509 --> 05:12:07,069
For them yet they are planning twelve apartment buildings. The

1457
05:12:07,069 --> 05:12:10,149
development is completely out of character with the surrounding single

1458
05:12:10,149 --> 05:12:13,375
family dwelling home. Homes. Who will be responsible for the

1459
05:12:13,375 --> 05:12:18,055
cost of upgrading our infrastructure, such as our healthcare, transportation,

1460
05:12:18,055 --> 05:12:22,855
police fire and education for possibly 2400 new residents. The

1461
05:12:22,855 --> 05:12:26,655
taxpayer will be as a community, we have concern with

1462
05:12:26,655 --> 05:12:29,575
Avenue as a company. What if they change their name,

1463
05:12:29,575 --> 05:12:32,829
close the company or declare bankruptcy? And a sewage system

1464
05:12:32,829 --> 05:12:36,829
that they have installed. Malfunction. Who will be financially responsible

1465
05:12:36,829 --> 05:12:40,393
for the cleanup. Can avenue please confirm how many units

1466
05:12:40,393 --> 05:12:43,913
they want to build. Really confirm it. If Avenue got

1467
05:12:43,913 --> 05:12:47,393
their approvals they need to build. Will they stick with

1468
05:12:47,393 --> 05:12:49,793
the project or will they get the approvals? And then

1469
05:12:49,793 --> 05:12:54,273
sell the property. What are their plans? The ministry zoning

1470
05:12:54,273 --> 05:12:57,633
process is required to cut the planning process. What planning

1471
05:12:57,633 --> 05:13:01,863
department requirements? Will be short changed. We would encourage council

1472
05:13:01,863 --> 05:13:05,303
to take the proper time, complete proper due diligence. And

1473
05:13:05,303 --> 05:13:08,823
not be driven by the developer's request. Now, I am

1474
05:13:08,823 --> 05:13:12,943
representing others in our community. And this is what's been

1475
05:13:12,943 --> 05:13:17,383
said. There is talk about contacting the ombudsman. Ontario, to

1476
05:13:17,383 --> 05:13:20,222
discuss the decision of council if. They choose to support

1477
05:13:20,222 --> 05:13:23,662
this ministry zoning order council should support the majority of

1478
05:13:23,662 --> 05:13:29,520
their residents wishes. Thank you. Very much. On. Any questions?

1479
05:13:31,108 --> 05:13:36,749
To. The delegate. Thank you very much. And if you

1480
05:13:36,749 --> 05:13:40,149
haven't already submitted your presentation, you could certainly do that.

1481
05:13:43,480 --> 05:13:48,835
Councilor Douglas decided he wants to ask a question. Sorry.

1482
05:13:48,835 --> 05:13:52,043
My question is actually just a point of clarification. You've

1483
05:13:52,043 --> 05:13:56,723
indicated that the delegates could submit their questions, as this

1484
05:13:56,723 --> 05:13:58,483
is not a public meeting. And we don't have a

1485
05:13:58,483 --> 05:14:02,523
proper form for submitting and answering questions. What would that

1486
05:14:02,523 --> 05:14:05,939
look like? True matter, mayor? Well, I don't know, but

1487
05:14:05,939 --> 05:14:10,603
I'd like to have them. Very good. Thank you. I'm

1488
05:14:10,603 --> 05:14:18,834
assuming I'm allowed to ask for them. Mr clerk. Am

1489
05:14:18,834 --> 05:14:19,154
I totally wrong?

1490
05:14:30,482 --> 05:14:39,066
Anyway, please submit it. Okay, so, moving on.

1491
05:14:42,917 --> 05:14:46,037
We will now have a delegation from Lori Bray.

1492
05:14:53,048 --> 05:14:55,528
Welcome. And you can go ahead whenever you're ready. Thank

1493
05:14:55,528 --> 05:14:58,888
you. There was a number of madamarin to all of

1494
05:14:58,888 --> 05:15:02,248
the members of council. There was a number of things

1495
05:15:02,248 --> 05:15:04,688
that I was going to say, but they've been so

1496
05:15:04,688 --> 05:15:14,277
eloquently. Shared. In previous

1497
05:15:14,277 --> 05:15:19,385
delegations. I'm really going to. Say as clearly, as clearly

1498
05:15:19,385 --> 05:15:24,098
said another time in other delegations. We must take our

1499
05:15:24,098 --> 05:15:27,978
time with this development. My main concern is the proximity

1500
05:15:27,978 --> 05:15:31,738
to the wetlands and the lake, the natural habitats of

1501
05:15:31,738 --> 05:15:35,738
birds and other wildlife will be affected. As we know,

1502
05:15:35,738 --> 05:15:39,018
wetlands are such an important part of health for the

1503
05:15:39,018 --> 05:15:42,396
environment. So I feel we need to take into account

1504
05:15:42,396 --> 05:15:45,796
the impact on the wetlands, not only for today. But

1505
05:15:45,796 --> 05:15:49,837
also for future generations. Therefore. I feel like we need

1506
05:15:49,837 --> 05:15:54,477
to take our time, get the environmental assessments right, and

1507
05:15:54,477 --> 05:15:58,284
follow due process. And so at this point, I would

1508
05:15:58,284 --> 05:16:01,484
not be in favor of the Avenue properties m sale

1509
05:16:01,484 --> 05:16:05,147
request. At this time. And I don't need all of

1510
05:16:05,147 --> 05:16:09,642
my five minutes. So someone else can follow. Thank you.

1511
05:16:11,079 --> 05:16:17,741
Well, thank you. I appreciate. I will ask questions to

1512
05:16:17,741 --> 05:16:21,781
be directed. So. Just a sec, Councilor Guido. Not a

1513
05:16:21,781 --> 05:16:24,181
question, just. A comment. Thank you very much for that.

1514
05:16:24,181 --> 05:16:28,542
I appreciate it. Thank you. Does anyone else have any

1515
05:16:28,542 --> 05:16:35,930
questions? Ms. Bryce? Seeing none, thank you. Moving on to

1516
05:16:35,930 --> 05:16:41,831
delegation nine. Larry corrigan.

1517
05:17:05,604 --> 05:17:09,924
Welcome and go ahead to Mr. Corrigan. Thank you, madam

1518
05:17:09,924 --> 05:17:18,772
chair and members of council. For allowing this

1519
05:17:18,772 --> 05:17:23,052
senior to come back to the place that he spent

1520
05:17:23,052 --> 05:17:26,899
ten years. And it's ten years today. If we're talking

1521
05:17:26,899 --> 05:17:31,139
time sensitivity that I was sitting where you were. Councilor

1522
05:17:31,139 --> 05:17:34,939
Cohen, just for a little information, and based on what

1523
05:17:34,939 --> 05:17:40,667
I've heard tonight. I'm here to speak. To the correspondence,

1524
05:17:40,667 --> 05:17:44,590
so I submit it, so. I don't want to repeat

1525
05:17:44,590 --> 05:17:48,318
what I've heard. I'm going to take what I've heard

1526
05:17:48,318 --> 05:17:53,489
tonight. And go right to the back. Of where I

1527
05:17:53,489 --> 05:18:01,451
am right now. And to suggest the following. To address

1528
05:18:01,451 --> 05:18:08,277
this issue. My motion if I were where I was.

1529
05:18:10,167 --> 05:18:18,971
Ten years ago would be. That council. Considered the formation

1530
05:18:18,971 --> 05:18:26,199
of an ad hoc committee. Ad hoc. Consisting of representation.

1531
05:18:27,509 --> 05:18:34,791
From avenue properties. Regional and schoolgog planning. Representative from the

1532
05:18:34,791 --> 05:18:44,105
conservation. Authority. Scoogog Lake stewards. Mississaugas. Of Scogog.

1533
05:18:46,080 --> 05:18:53,436
Representation. From Castle harbor residents. And the word five, counselor.

1534
05:18:55,104 --> 05:19:00,504
And their mandate would be to address the concerns of

1535
05:19:00,504 --> 05:19:06,562
the local. Body politic, which we have heard tonight. And

1536
05:19:06,562 --> 05:19:13,668
review the requested reports of planning staff. And the development

1537
05:19:13,668 --> 05:19:20,523
of a site plan. And necessary legal documents to address

1538
05:19:20,523 --> 05:19:29,154
the concerns. References. Evening. Which would include. An adr.

1539
05:19:31,385 --> 05:19:41,125
Alternative dispute resolution clause. To address. What will

1540
05:19:41,125 --> 05:19:46,843
happen when you have a development. Problems in the implementation.

1541
05:19:48,228 --> 05:19:51,428
The other point I want to mention, when we're speaking

1542
05:19:51,428 --> 05:20:01,077
of history. And what the developer was. Hanging their hat

1543
05:20:01,077 --> 05:20:07,720
on was the official plan. Now the official plan. If

1544
05:20:07,720 --> 05:20:11,319
my memory and I can be corrected. Has to be

1545
05:20:11,319 --> 05:20:17,675
reviewed every five years. By provincial mandate. And the question

1546
05:20:17,675 --> 05:20:26,040
I ask myself. Was. How long ago? Was the original.

1547
05:20:27,195 --> 05:20:32,008
Plan. That everyone's hanging their hat on to promote this

1548
05:20:32,008 --> 05:20:36,864
development. I would say it's beyond five years. I would

1549
05:20:36,864 --> 05:20:44,863
say it's probably around seven. So therefore. That is something

1550
05:20:44,863 --> 05:20:48,541
that has to be considered. Because a lot of technology,

1551
05:20:48,541 --> 05:20:56,346
a lot of. Insight regarding environmental concerns has happened since

1552
05:20:56,346 --> 05:21:06,117
it was originally developed. And I also referenced.

1553
05:21:08,061 --> 05:21:17,156
As the closing point. From jfk. Never fear to negotiate.

1554
05:21:19,536 --> 05:21:24,871
But never negotiate out of fear. I am willing to

1555
05:21:24,871 --> 05:21:31,523
take questions with respect. To. The other two points. That

1556
05:21:31,523 --> 05:21:37,466
I reference in the correspondence, which, by the way, Was

1557
05:21:37,466 --> 05:21:45,821
supported by the retired teachers of Ontario Durham chapter. Political

1558
05:21:45,821 --> 05:21:51,781
advocacy committee membership, which includes representation from this community outside

1559
05:21:51,781 --> 05:22:01,252
of the teachers. And the president. Thank you, madam. Thank

1560
05:22:01,252 --> 05:22:06,633
you. Mr. Corgan, are there any questions? Or anything for

1561
05:22:06,633 --> 05:22:12,891
Mr. Corrigan? Seeing none, thank you very much. Thank you,

1562
05:22:12,891 --> 05:22:13,211
Madam Mayor.

1563
05:22:26,522 --> 05:22:35,163
Okay. Delegation ten, which is a delegation from Alison Elwood.

1564
05:22:42,700 --> 05:22:50,998
This is a fancy chair. Welcome elephant. And please go

1565
05:22:50,998 --> 05:22:55,158
ahead. Thank you very much. Good evening, Mayor Wanton. Counselors,

1566
05:22:55,158 --> 05:23:00,152
delegates. Neighbors, friends. Thank you for your great support for

1567
05:23:00,152 --> 05:23:03,712
those events that we heard around town this morning. Or

1568
05:23:03,712 --> 05:23:07,902
rather, at the start of the meeting. And thank you

1569
05:23:07,902 --> 05:23:10,182
to our good work on our finances. I can't believe

1570
05:23:10,182 --> 05:23:13,582
we're actually doing really well with our increase in revenue.

1571
05:23:13,582 --> 05:23:17,592
It's really exciting. I noticed I'm in here this evening.

1572
05:23:17,592 --> 05:23:21,792
A lovely plaque of the land acknowledgment. Mentioned earlier here

1573
05:23:21,792 --> 05:23:26,446
as well. Also a flag representing the Mississaugas of Cuga

1574
05:23:26,446 --> 05:23:30,642
Gyle and First Nation. I know marijuana and council. You

1575
05:23:30,642 --> 05:23:33,882
value your relationship with the nation, whose land we're on.

1576
05:23:33,882 --> 05:23:37,991
Here in Scogog. It's evident here. And another effort such

1577
05:23:37,991 --> 05:23:42,678
as. The efforts last week to commemorate National Indigenous People's

1578
05:23:42,678 --> 05:23:48,078
day. I'm not a member of Scubog Island, First Nation,

1579
05:23:48,078 --> 05:23:50,558
nor am I here to. Speak on their behalf, but

1580
05:23:50,558 --> 05:23:52,558
as a resident of Port Perry, I'd like to ask

1581
05:23:52,558 --> 05:23:56,478
the mayor if the meaningful consultation process with our treaty

1582
05:23:56,478 --> 05:24:00,518
partners has begun and at what stage it is at.

1583
05:24:00,518 --> 05:24:02,638
I saw some notes of attempts to reach out by

1584
05:24:02,638 --> 05:24:07,160
avenue, but the developers. But nowhere near fulsome consultation. And

1585
05:24:07,160 --> 05:24:12,469
in truth, And Zeto's ought not Trump treaty rights. As

1586
05:24:12,469 --> 05:24:14,309
you are well aware, the duty to consult on such

1587
05:24:14,309 --> 05:24:17,909
a development on a provincially significant wetland is outlined in

1588
05:24:17,909 --> 05:24:21,653
the canadian constitution. Our legal obligations under the United Nations

1589
05:24:21,653 --> 05:24:24,853
Declaration for the Rights of Indigenous Peoples and, of course,

1590
05:24:24,853 --> 05:24:28,813
our moral obligations to the Truth and Reconciliation Commission and

1591
05:24:28,813 --> 05:24:32,253
to our neighbors, friends and treaty partners, the Mississaugas of

1592
05:24:32,253 --> 05:24:36,453
Scuga gala First Nation Municipalities and Provinces act on behalf

1593
05:24:36,453 --> 05:24:38,813
of the Crown and it is, in fact, the rule

1594
05:24:38,813 --> 05:24:41,534
of counsel to consult. I would like to know where

1595
05:24:41,534 --> 05:24:44,494
they are in the process and with consultation and whether

1596
05:24:44,494 --> 05:24:46,134
or not you can tell us their thoughts on the

1597
05:24:46,134 --> 05:24:50,072
matter. It's my understanding that mississaugs of Scuba island First

1598
05:24:50,072 --> 05:24:53,592
Nation have not received an official project package from the

1599
05:24:53,592 --> 05:24:56,857
developer nor the town. I'm actually just wondering if they're

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05:24:56,857 --> 05:25:01,577
waiting for the environmental assessments after listening tonight. I look

1601
05:25:01,577 --> 05:25:05,522
forward to your public notice of your consultation process. I

1602
05:25:05,522 --> 05:25:08,842
trust you will act on our behalf with honesty, integrity

1603
05:25:08,842 --> 05:25:11,642
and with the thoughts of our children. Grandchildren and the

1604
05:25:11,642 --> 05:25:15,522
great grandchildren in our heart. In your heart, actually. Thank

1605
05:25:15,522 --> 05:25:19,892
you. And go, oilers, go. Thank you very much. Allison.

1606
05:25:19,892 --> 05:25:25,283
Are there any questions or comments to Allison? Seeing none,

1607
05:25:25,283 --> 05:25:30,228
thank you very much. Sorry, Councilor MacDougall. You got to

1608
05:25:30,228 --> 05:25:35,596
get in there quicker, Mr. McDougal. Madam. You're getting quicker

1609
05:25:35,596 --> 05:25:41,471
and quicker. As she said. Go. Oilers, I think. Question

1610
05:25:41,471 --> 05:25:47,207
for you, Allison. We heard earlier that. Tension. Viscog does

1611
05:25:47,207 --> 05:25:52,541
not have a legal obligation to consult. With Mississaugas of

1612
05:25:52,541 --> 05:25:57,221
Kugog Island's first Nations and or any other treaty signatories.

1613
05:25:58,975 --> 05:26:02,895
Does that absolve us of our responsibilities, in your opinion,

1614
05:26:02,895 --> 05:26:08,524
to do that consultation? So are you talking about your

1615
05:26:08,524 --> 05:26:11,604
legal obligation or your moral obligation? I would consider it

1616
05:26:11,604 --> 05:26:15,487
to be. Both, but I'm just. A humble resident of

1617
05:26:15,487 --> 05:26:20,892
moral corporation. But yeah. So you're asking me if I

1618
05:26:20,892 --> 05:26:24,504
think you have a moral obligation? Yeah, I think that's

1619
05:26:24,504 --> 05:26:27,762
probably why I'm here. But I also know that. You

1620
05:26:27,762 --> 05:26:29,482
could probably talk to Chief laraka. She would probably be

1621
05:26:29,482 --> 05:26:32,042
able to fill you in on your legal obligations, but,

1622
05:26:32,042 --> 05:26:36,608
yeah, I do believe. We have a moral obligation. That's

1623
05:26:36,608 --> 05:26:45,489
all. Thank you. That's the end of our delegations.

1624
05:26:50,209 --> 05:26:58,392
Okay. We will now entertain a motion, please.

1625
05:26:59,537 --> 05:27:08,059
To let me get myself organized. That the presentation. From

1626
05:27:08,059 --> 05:27:15,926
avenue properties be received. That all the delegations. Be received.

1627
05:27:17,380 --> 05:27:23,585
And that all the correspondence. Listed and that would be

1628
05:27:23,585 --> 05:27:30,644
10.3.1. Which to Allison. There is correspondence included in the

1629
05:27:30,644 --> 05:27:39,093
agenda package. With feedback from the MSIFn after consultation. Just

1630
05:27:39,093 --> 05:27:45,785
to share that little information. That is, our correspondence is

1631
05:27:45,785 --> 05:27:55,172
10.3.1 through two. 10.3.14. So if I could have

1632
05:27:55,172 --> 05:28:00,362
a mover and a seconder, Councilor McDougall. I will gladly

1633
05:28:00,362 --> 05:28:04,486
move that, madam. Please, Councilor Laurie. Thank you. Are there

1634
05:28:04,486 --> 05:28:09,697
any questions? Councilor McDougall. My question, Madam Mayor, is you

1635
05:28:09,697 --> 05:28:14,537
mentioned questions of the delegates be recorded. And I'm asking

1636
05:28:14,537 --> 05:28:23,319
if that can be added to this motion. Do you

1637
05:28:23,319 --> 05:28:29,153
know what he means? The questions have been posed. We'll

1638
05:28:29,153 --> 05:28:34,654
have them on tape. The questions. We have recorded this

1639
05:28:34,654 --> 05:28:40,111
entire meeting. So the questions. Are already recorded. I just

1640
05:28:40,111 --> 05:28:44,151
asked for them to be submitted as well, so I'm

1641
05:28:44,151 --> 05:28:46,311
not quite sure what you're asking. All right. Thank you,

1642
05:28:46,311 --> 05:28:53,270
madam. Councilor rock. Thank you, Madamor. So, in taking a

1643
05:28:53,270 --> 05:28:56,350
look at the resolutions, the resolutions themselves, I have no.

1644
05:28:56,350 --> 05:28:58,990
Issues with any of them. I guess what I'm not

1645
05:28:58,990 --> 05:29:02,070
seeing is an answer to the question that has been

1646
05:29:02,070 --> 05:29:02,430
posed to us.

1647
05:29:13,154 --> 05:29:22,839
And. I presume the question. About. Whether. That's two

1648
05:29:22,839 --> 05:29:27,510
point or nine point. Whatever it was. Nine point. Three

1649
05:29:27,510 --> 05:29:37,378
point. Two? Is that what you're referencing? I

1650
05:29:37,378 --> 05:29:41,578
guess the question is, do we want that to be

1651
05:29:41,578 --> 05:29:47,814
included in this resolution, or do we. Want that to

1652
05:29:47,814 --> 05:29:50,854
be deferred or do we want to have that as

1653
05:29:50,854 --> 05:30:00,824
a separate resolution? Well, I'm happy to gauge in a

1654
05:30:00,824 --> 05:30:04,455
conversation, but. I think at some level it needs to

1655
05:30:04,455 --> 05:30:07,215
be addressed. A question has been asked for us. Absolutely.

1656
05:30:07,215 --> 05:30:10,735
Of us. A sample resolution has been supplied to us.

1657
05:30:12,019 --> 05:30:13,859
So are they going to agree with the sample resolution?

1658
05:30:15,614 --> 05:30:18,534
We're going to make a referral for that resolution or

1659
05:30:18,534 --> 05:30:21,574
we're going to deny it, but at some point we

1660
05:30:21,574 --> 05:30:25,411
have to address it. So I do agree with you,

1661
05:30:25,411 --> 05:30:28,811
councilor, and I would like to suggest that the resolution

1662
05:30:28,811 --> 05:30:32,768
that was put before us. Be voted on, and then.

1663
05:30:35,499 --> 05:30:41,998
The other resolution. Can come forward for discussion. So we'll

1664
05:30:41,998 --> 05:30:44,918
deal with that separately and accept all of the delegations

1665
05:30:44,918 --> 05:30:50,118
and presentations. In a separate assessment. As long as that's

1666
05:30:50,118 --> 05:30:54,585
okay with the clerk. My left hand man. If I

1667
05:30:54,585 --> 05:30:58,265
may, madam Mayor, in the draft resolution that you have

1668
05:30:58,265 --> 05:31:01,185
before you, there's a reference under number two that the

1669
05:31:01,185 --> 05:31:05,785
correspondence from Andrew Bigert on behalf of avenue properties be

1670
05:31:05,785 --> 05:31:10,755
received. Right. It is both the letter and the motion.

1671
05:31:12,317 --> 05:31:17,459
Okay. What I understand, the intent is that you would

1672
05:31:17,459 --> 05:31:20,699
withhold dealing with the motion so that you. Can have

1673
05:31:20,699 --> 05:31:25,864
some deliberations about it this evening and whether. You're going

1674
05:31:25,864 --> 05:31:28,664
to move and second it, or what am I to

1675
05:31:28,664 --> 05:31:36,539
do with it? So I guess the correspondence. The resolution.

1676
05:31:36,539 --> 05:31:44,189
This resolution should read. That the correspondent 9.3.1 from Andrew

1677
05:31:44,189 --> 05:31:46,429
Biggert on behalf of Avenue be received.

1678
05:31:58,704 --> 05:32:01,784
So then, if I'm clear, we're just receiving that one

1679
05:32:01,784 --> 05:32:05,344
piece of correspondence and. Again. In a separate motion, we'll

1680
05:32:05,344 --> 05:32:11,461
address. 9.3 point. That is what I understand. That's fine.

1681
05:32:11,461 --> 05:32:16,174
I just wanted clarity. Thank you. Yes. So these resolutions

1682
05:32:16,174 --> 05:32:18,974
before you have been moved by councilor McDougall and councilor

1683
05:32:18,974 --> 05:32:25,247
Leroy. Is there any further discussion wanted of. These resolutions.

1684
05:32:26,916 --> 05:32:31,694
Seeing none. All in favor? Thank you.

1685
05:33:06,857 --> 05:33:14,371
Okay. So if we are going to have a discussion

1686
05:33:14,371 --> 05:33:19,011
regarding the motion or the ask for the mzetto I

1687
05:33:19,011 --> 05:33:22,051
need a mover and a seconder to put that on

1688
05:33:22,051 --> 05:33:30,367
the floor. Councilor rock. And councilor McDougall? Yes. No. You're

1689
05:33:30,367 --> 05:33:32,127
seconding it or no, I was. Going to put motion.

1690
05:33:33,863 --> 05:33:41,235
Different than the one. That. What's in front of us.

1691
05:33:41,235 --> 05:33:42,751
Sorry. Different than the one that's in front of you.

1692
05:33:44,504 --> 05:33:49,407
1.3.2. Oh, yes. Different than that. Thank you. Okay. So

1693
05:33:49,407 --> 05:33:55,320
we need a second or for nine point. 3.2. The

1694
05:33:55,320 --> 05:33:58,637
one. Councilor Wright. Okay. So it's now on the floor.

1695
05:33:58,637 --> 05:34:07,325
The motion that was received. From outlined from avenue. Properties.

1696
05:34:07,325 --> 05:34:12,231
Is there any discussion? Or anything with regard to that

1697
05:34:12,231 --> 05:34:12,471
motion.

1698
05:34:24,806 --> 05:34:27,766
Is everyone clear? Do we need to have a short

1699
05:34:27,766 --> 05:34:34,979
break to figure that out? What we're? Doing? Okay.

1700
05:34:42,448 --> 05:34:46,008
This is the motion regarding avenue properties and federal requests

1701
05:34:46,008 --> 05:34:51,639
that was proposed by the applicant. Councilor Rock and councilor

1702
05:34:51,639 --> 05:34:57,422
Wright have moved it. So there can be discussion.

1703
05:35:02,302 --> 05:35:08,286
Councilor ruck. Thank you, madamir. I appreciate everyone being here

1704
05:35:08,286 --> 05:35:10,846
today, and I know that some or all of us

1705
05:35:10,846 --> 05:35:14,726
may agree or. Disagree to a variety of different things,

1706
05:35:14,726 --> 05:35:18,578
but. I believe what we're being asked. Is a very

1707
05:35:18,578 --> 05:35:25,304
straightforward. Very small, defined question. Is, should we set the

1708
05:35:25,304 --> 05:35:28,725
density on this? What I've heard through the delegations, what

1709
05:35:28,725 --> 05:35:35,006
I've heard through. Reading 300, 450 pages of information at

1710
05:35:35,006 --> 05:35:38,686
that point is I've still yet to hear a reason

1711
05:35:38,686 --> 05:35:42,833
why we would not. Move to set density. It is

1712
05:35:42,833 --> 05:35:46,473
not going to remove anything else from the development process.

1713
05:35:46,473 --> 05:35:49,273
It will not remove the onus of all of the

1714
05:35:49,273 --> 05:35:52,873
assessments that need to be done to ensure and protect

1715
05:35:52,873 --> 05:35:55,153
that this is going to be done appropriately, and it

1716
05:35:55,153 --> 05:35:57,433
does not mean that shovels are going to be in

1717
05:35:57,433 --> 05:36:01,209
the ground anytime soon. This will come back before. Us

1718
05:36:01,209 --> 05:36:05,787
once we have all of the appropriate information. To make

1719
05:36:05,787 --> 05:36:10,267
any final decisions. It will not remove this council's responsibility

1720
05:36:10,267 --> 05:36:14,929
in my mind. From giving a full assessment of this.

1721
05:36:14,929 --> 05:36:19,049
This is a simple step forward for this company to

1722
05:36:19,049 --> 05:36:22,289
continue. To explore all of those things. And if it

1723
05:36:22,289 --> 05:36:24,849
does not add up, then I will be the first

1724
05:36:24,849 --> 05:36:28,049
one on council to speak against this, but at this

1725
05:36:28,049 --> 05:36:32,169
point I haven't heard personally. A credible reason why we.

1726
05:36:32,509 --> 05:36:36,269
Wouldn't start that process moving forward to be able to

1727
05:36:36,269 --> 05:36:39,749
get all of the additional information. That we will be

1728
05:36:39,749 --> 05:36:43,801
requiring to make. A very clear, very definitive future decision.

1729
05:36:45,354 --> 05:36:48,914
Thank you, council. Are there any further comments or questions

1730
05:36:48,914 --> 05:36:57,374
from any of council? Can you ask them to clarify

1731
05:36:57,374 --> 05:37:01,338
that? He's moved to daunt. The clerk has asked if

1732
05:37:01,338 --> 05:37:05,058
you are moving forward for adoption of that resolution, if

1733
05:37:05,058 --> 05:37:11,302
that's what you were speaking to. I am. Okay. That's

1734
05:37:11,302 --> 05:37:16,579
what I thought. Thank you. Okay, further questions. Councilor Leroy.

1735
05:37:18,064 --> 05:37:20,664
Yes. Thank you. Madamarin, through you, I'd like to take

1736
05:37:20,664 --> 05:37:27,804
this opportunity to ask. Staff for. Their opinion. I realized

1737
05:37:27,804 --> 05:37:31,004
that had much time to look at this either. However.

1738
05:37:32,365 --> 05:37:34,565
I actually value. I probably don't say that often enough,

1739
05:37:34,565 --> 05:37:39,063
but. I would like to have some sense of. Your

1740
05:37:39,063 --> 05:37:43,673
thoughts, whether that's director Henry or director heritage. Understanding. You

1741
05:37:43,673 --> 05:37:45,913
may not have really given this a whole lot of

1742
05:37:45,913 --> 05:37:53,345
attention yet. Hopefully. There's some preliminary. Viewpoints you may have

1743
05:37:53,345 --> 05:38:02,031
or wish to share on this topic. Three. You met

1744
05:38:02,031 --> 05:38:09,165
a mayor to the councilor. You're correct. Staff hasn't really

1745
05:38:09,165 --> 05:38:12,085
had an opportunity to review all this material that's before

1746
05:38:12,085 --> 05:38:16,512
us. It came in the middle of last week. And

1747
05:38:16,512 --> 05:38:18,792
we've been dealing with other priorities at that point in

1748
05:38:18,792 --> 05:38:21,632
time. So I love the opportunity to go through the

1749
05:38:21,632 --> 05:38:25,987
material. And provide counsel with an opinion. I think this

1750
05:38:25,987 --> 05:38:28,187
is one of the first times I've ever appeared before

1751
05:38:28,187 --> 05:38:32,467
council with no staff report and no recommendation on the

1752
05:38:32,467 --> 05:38:36,467
item that is before council. So I think it would

1753
05:38:36,467 --> 05:38:38,627
be premature at this point in time to provide an

1754
05:38:38,627 --> 05:38:41,556
opinion. For council's consideration.

1755
05:38:48,873 --> 05:38:55,134
Sorry. Anything further? Yes. I would like to propose a

1756
05:38:55,134 --> 05:38:59,814
motion that we defer this to staff for evaluation. Well,

1757
05:38:59,814 --> 05:39:06,462
the other motion is currently on the floor. Is it

1758
05:39:06,462 --> 05:39:13,935
a referral? It would be both. Ashley. Okay? Do you

1759
05:39:13,935 --> 05:39:15,375
want to do that right now, or do you want

1760
05:39:15,375 --> 05:39:19,175
to listen to the rest of the comments and questions

1761
05:39:19,175 --> 05:39:22,015
from council. I think we should hear the rest of

1762
05:39:22,015 --> 05:39:26,036
comments from council. Thank you council. Thank you, Madam Mayor.

1763
05:39:28,776 --> 05:39:31,496
Just sort of a summation of what we've heard tonight.

1764
05:39:33,109 --> 05:39:37,686
Please speak into your mic. Sorry, madam Mayor, of the

1765
05:39:37,686 --> 05:39:41,947
summation of what we've heard tonight. And the last comments

1766
05:39:41,947 --> 05:39:45,067
from director heritage, I think, summed it up quite well.

1767
05:39:45,067 --> 05:39:48,787
This is very early stages of this game, nothing has

1768
05:39:48,787 --> 05:39:54,892
come to. The staff at the municipality for approval. And

1769
05:39:54,892 --> 05:39:58,356
to councilor Rock's point, we're looking to get. A number,

1770
05:39:58,356 --> 05:40:00,836
identity numbers. So we can look at this and see

1771
05:40:00,836 --> 05:40:03,236
what can be built and see. What we can do

1772
05:40:03,236 --> 05:40:08,408
there and preserve the quality of the lake. This council.

1773
05:40:09,348 --> 05:40:13,958
Is very committed to preserving a lake. It's not development

1774
05:40:13,958 --> 05:40:20,171
at any cost. I myself sit on the courth conservation

1775
05:40:20,171 --> 05:40:24,651
authority and realize what it means to preserve the quality

1776
05:40:24,651 --> 05:40:29,207
of the lake for the ongoing. Well being of this

1777
05:40:29,207 --> 05:40:34,139
community. And like Mr. Masurvey said earlier, there were things

1778
05:40:34,139 --> 05:40:39,634
that were learned from. The lessons. At Canterbury Common and

1779
05:40:39,634 --> 05:40:44,031
those things will all be taken into account. As this

1780
05:40:44,031 --> 05:40:46,631
goes forward, if it does. But this is very early

1781
05:40:46,631 --> 05:40:50,711
going. Staff have not seen anything. That's going to be

1782
05:40:50,711 --> 05:40:55,981
proposed. What we need to do now is get. A

1783
05:40:55,981 --> 05:40:58,421
number so we can see if this is possible to

1784
05:40:58,421 --> 05:41:04,661
do it. And if it is feasible. If the system

1785
05:41:04,661 --> 05:41:07,501
is what it says it is, it's great. I think

1786
05:41:07,501 --> 05:41:10,341
everybody here would rather have a self contained sewage system

1787
05:41:10,341 --> 05:41:14,937
holding all the effluent back. Then 20 septic beds leaching

1788
05:41:14,937 --> 05:41:18,766
into the lake. I think it is prudent that we

1789
05:41:18,766 --> 05:41:21,686
give this a good look at and see if it

1790
05:41:21,686 --> 05:41:26,125
is feasible to bring it into this community. It is.

1791
05:41:26,829 --> 05:41:32,679
A world. Leading technology. In the future of housing, and

1792
05:41:32,679 --> 05:41:35,199
I think it would be a great mark for Port

1793
05:41:35,199 --> 05:41:40,114
Perry. And Skewog Township to put this in the port.

1794
05:41:40,114 --> 05:41:45,978
If it could be feasibly. Done. And maintain the quality

1795
05:41:45,978 --> 05:41:49,013
and health of the lake. It would show the world

1796
05:41:49,013 --> 05:41:52,053
that it could be done. People could live beside the

1797
05:41:52,053 --> 05:41:55,160
lake. With the rest of their lives and for the

1798
05:41:55,160 --> 05:42:00,020
rest of time. Thank you, Madam Mayor. Thank you, councilor.

1799
05:42:00,020 --> 05:42:04,675
Councilor Guido. Thank you, madamir. Just a question for you

1800
05:42:04,675 --> 05:42:07,755
to direct your heritage or manager Hendry, whoever. Wants to

1801
05:42:07,755 --> 05:42:11,563
take the question. Can you walk us through if you

1802
05:42:11,563 --> 05:42:18,789
have the knowledge? How mz o's work. If it's endorsed

1803
05:42:18,789 --> 05:42:23,482
and forwarded to the minister's office. Do they have any

1804
05:42:23,482 --> 05:42:26,962
responsibility to not just look at our official plan, but

1805
05:42:26,962 --> 05:42:31,672
do they consult with municipal staff. On any of their

1806
05:42:31,672 --> 05:42:35,552
thoughts, opinions or comments, or is it strictly they will

1807
05:42:35,552 --> 05:42:39,512
look at the information provided by the submitter and then

1808
05:42:39,512 --> 05:42:42,759
go based on. What our documents are that are available

1809
05:42:42,759 --> 05:42:46,619
to them on a website. Through you. Madam Mayor. Councilor,

1810
05:42:46,619 --> 05:42:53,239
my understanding is that. Ministry staff will consult with local

1811
05:42:53,239 --> 05:42:57,679
staff and regional staff on the proposed MZO before them

1812
05:42:57,679 --> 05:43:01,119
and have further discussions on it. So they're not just

1813
05:43:01,119 --> 05:43:07,664
making a decision in isolation. So at that point, Staff

1814
05:43:07,664 --> 05:43:11,224
would be providing an opinion to the minister which may

1815
05:43:11,224 --> 05:43:15,996
not have been shared yet. With council. Is that how

1816
05:43:15,996 --> 05:43:18,156
it would typically work? There wouldn't be a report that

1817
05:43:18,156 --> 05:43:22,636
would come to council prior to you providing that comment

1818
05:43:22,636 --> 05:43:26,070
to the ministry. Madam Mayor to the council? I guess

1819
05:43:26,070 --> 05:43:32,818
it depends on the request for information. If it's a

1820
05:43:32,818 --> 05:43:36,778
factual piece of information, we can certainly provide that to

1821
05:43:36,778 --> 05:43:43,089
ministry staff. If its opinion, that's something different. I'm just

1822
05:43:43,089 --> 05:43:48,858
trying to figure the timeline in my head. The minister

1823
05:43:48,858 --> 05:43:52,498
may or may not reach out to local staff or

1824
05:43:52,498 --> 05:43:55,578
the region, and then you may or may not be

1825
05:43:55,578 --> 05:43:59,508
required to provide a report. Rather opinion or, pardon me,

1826
05:43:59,508 --> 05:44:03,467
just fact. Through you. Madam mayor to the councilor. It's

1827
05:44:03,467 --> 05:44:06,987
solely at the ministry staff's. Discretion and the minister's discretion

1828
05:44:06,987 --> 05:44:09,587
on how they want to proceed with the request. Thank

1829
05:44:09,587 --> 05:44:11,827
you. So that answers my question. They may or may

1830
05:44:11,827 --> 05:44:15,627
not consult directly with the township of Scoogog. Staff. Okay.

1831
05:44:15,627 --> 05:44:20,503
Thank you. So I think what we've heard tonight. From

1832
05:44:20,503 --> 05:44:27,078
the residents, from. The correspondence that we've received. It seems

1833
05:44:27,078 --> 05:44:33,215
to be that. The common concern is the rush. I

1834
05:44:33,215 --> 05:44:38,249
really, truly hope that. If a deferral happens and staff

1835
05:44:38,249 --> 05:44:41,649
is able to review and provide their comment, or if

1836
05:44:41,649 --> 05:44:45,369
the minister comes back because we've endorsed this, and they

1837
05:44:45,369 --> 05:44:50,417
say that these studies are required. The questions of the

1838
05:44:50,417 --> 05:44:57,682
residents will be answered through facts, not. Through any other

1839
05:44:57,682 --> 05:45:00,602
means other than facts that would be provided by whatever

1840
05:45:00,602 --> 05:45:05,820
studies avenue would be required. To provide. While I represent

1841
05:45:05,820 --> 05:45:10,820
more two, I hear concerns from all of the community,

1842
05:45:10,820 --> 05:45:15,180
and oftentimes in my ward. There is great concerns about.

1843
05:45:17,206 --> 05:45:21,312
Develop. Development. No matter how small or large the developments

1844
05:45:21,312 --> 05:45:25,352
are, there's always concerns about development war. Ii has been

1845
05:45:25,352 --> 05:45:27,712
living through developments since as long as I've been a

1846
05:45:27,712 --> 05:45:32,198
counselor, and I think that's about eleven years. Almost ten,

1847
05:45:32,198 --> 05:45:35,726
Mr. Corrigan. But I believe it's been eleven years now,

1848
05:45:35,726 --> 05:45:39,586
so there's always going to be the concerns about. Development.

1849
05:45:39,586 --> 05:45:42,841
I would like to reserve any of. My comments or

1850
05:45:42,841 --> 05:45:46,913
thoughts. For once, we have actual facts provided to us

1851
05:45:46,913 --> 05:45:52,552
from whatever type of reports or studies are required. But

1852
05:45:52,552 --> 05:45:54,952
I will wait and see where council is going with

1853
05:45:54,952 --> 05:45:58,992
their decision making, and we'll see from there. But thank

1854
05:45:58,992 --> 05:46:01,432
you, director heritage, for answering that question for me because

1855
05:46:01,432 --> 05:46:04,072
I was kind of unsure how that would work with

1856
05:46:04,072 --> 05:46:09,512
the ministry. Thank you, Councilor Guido. Councilor Coyne. Thank you,

1857
05:46:09,512 --> 05:46:14,014
Madam Mayor. I don't think I've done as much reading

1858
05:46:14,014 --> 05:46:16,414
or as much research on any file since I've been

1859
05:46:16,414 --> 05:46:23,135
on council, as I have on this particular file. And

1860
05:46:23,135 --> 05:46:26,565
I came into council tonight. With my mind basically made

1861
05:46:26,565 --> 05:46:34,094
up as to how I was going to proceed. And

1862
05:46:34,094 --> 05:46:36,374
at this point in time, I have more research to

1863
05:46:36,374 --> 05:46:39,614
do, in my view, so that I can make a

1864
05:46:39,614 --> 05:46:46,359
logical decision. As councilor Guido says, based on fact. Which

1865
05:46:46,359 --> 05:46:50,092
will bear itself out in time. So I guess it

1866
05:46:50,092 --> 05:46:52,252
was just a statement more than a question. Thank you.

1867
05:46:54,548 --> 05:46:59,475
Thank you, councilor cohen. Councilor mcdougall. Thank you, Madam Mayor.

1868
05:46:59,475 --> 05:47:02,355
And thank you to my fellow councilors. Thank you to

1869
05:47:02,355 --> 05:47:05,635
Mr. Medhurst. In this group for his enthusiasm and interest

1870
05:47:05,635 --> 05:47:09,061
in our community. To our staff, I'd like to ask.

1871
05:47:11,626 --> 05:47:14,506
If this, instead of a yay or an a is

1872
05:47:14,506 --> 05:47:21,556
referred to staff, does that prevent us from. Staff. Recommending

1873
05:47:21,556 --> 05:47:24,036
to council that an MZ O is the best way

1874
05:47:24,036 --> 05:47:31,868
to proceed with this. Process. Through you, Madam Mayor. Through

1875
05:47:31,868 --> 05:47:34,228
you, Madam mayor to the councilor. No, it doesn't prevent

1876
05:47:34,228 --> 05:47:42,257
staff from. Providing an opinion or recommendation to council on

1877
05:47:42,257 --> 05:47:45,497
whether an mzido would be an appropriate course. Of action.

1878
05:47:45,497 --> 05:47:51,013
Okay, very good. So, knowing full well that. The region

1879
05:47:51,013 --> 05:47:55,939
of Durham at best, given. This u shaped proposal for

1880
05:47:55,939 --> 05:47:59,019
water because they won't allow this many units dead ended

1881
05:47:59,019 --> 05:48:02,019
on one water main has to go down. A new

1882
05:48:02,019 --> 05:48:07,659
road constructed across the wetland is at very best five

1883
05:48:07,659 --> 05:48:11,579
years away. If this is referred to stuff and it

1884
05:48:11,579 --> 05:48:14,339
becomes five years and two months or three months, I

1885
05:48:14,339 --> 05:48:18,678
don't think. It will really change the outcome as to

1886
05:48:18,678 --> 05:48:23,249
how soon this project can be constructed. At this point

1887
05:48:23,249 --> 05:48:28,620
in time. I wouldn't support moving ahead on an MZ

1888
05:48:28,620 --> 05:48:33,500
O. I would support referring this to staff to come

1889
05:48:33,500 --> 05:48:39,673
back to council with a fulsome recommendation. Thank you. Thank

1890
05:48:39,673 --> 05:48:44,245
you, council mcdougall. Councilor mark. I appreciate all of the

1891
05:48:44,245 --> 05:48:46,325
feedback that I've heard from all of the various counselors.

1892
05:48:47,602 --> 05:48:50,322
I don't find myself in an unusual position of being

1893
05:48:50,322 --> 05:48:53,938
the only one on one side. Of an issue. But

1894
05:48:53,938 --> 05:48:58,538
very clearly. Again, I will reiterate, the question before us

1895
05:48:58,538 --> 05:49:02,058
is around the Evans Eto and the only thing that

1896
05:49:02,058 --> 05:49:06,138
the MZ O is talking about is density and land

1897
05:49:06,138 --> 05:49:10,732
use. Nothing else, nothing more, nothing less. Nor does it

1898
05:49:10,732 --> 05:49:15,692
preclude any other ongoing assessments in all of the normal

1899
05:49:15,692 --> 05:49:20,172
process. So beyond this mz o that will outline density

1900
05:49:20,172 --> 05:49:25,883
and land use. Staff will be fully engaged in this

1901
05:49:25,883 --> 05:49:31,193
process as they go through site plan. And subdivision. So

1902
05:49:31,193 --> 05:49:37,824
the staff will not be without full. And ongoing. Inclusion

1903
05:49:37,824 --> 05:49:44,431
in this process. So just to be clear, The question

1904
05:49:44,431 --> 05:49:49,020
before us is around density and land use. And I'm

1905
05:49:49,020 --> 05:49:55,369
not sure. What benefit we have. From putting this project

1906
05:49:55,369 --> 05:50:01,147
back, from simply having. That question answered. By deferring this

1907
05:50:01,147 --> 05:50:04,387
to staff and this coming to us in September or

1908
05:50:04,387 --> 05:50:08,420
October or November. Whenever we will have that report. To

1909
05:50:08,420 --> 05:50:13,140
simply talk about the one issue of density and land

1910
05:50:13,140 --> 05:50:17,633
use. Staff will be engaged in all other aspects of

1911
05:50:17,633 --> 05:50:25,818
this development. Thank you, Councilor Rock. Councilor Dougl.

1912
05:50:25,460 --> 05:50:29,989
Douglas. I have noted that, though.

1913
05:50:34,854 --> 05:50:40,259
So I have several questions of staff as well. And

1914
05:50:40,259 --> 05:50:49,062
perhaps. You could clarify. Why we haven't had. Any.

1915
05:50:50,326 --> 05:50:53,654
Why we haven't done any of. The studies and so

1916
05:50:53,654 --> 05:50:58,174
on and so forth. Do they normally come after? Site

1917
05:50:58,174 --> 05:51:02,851
plan, application. Does it come into play that it's required

1918
05:51:02,851 --> 05:51:05,171
after a site plan application, I guess is. What I

1919
05:51:05,171 --> 05:51:14,323
mean. Madam mayor. Typically through a rezoning application. Studies are

1920
05:51:14,323 --> 05:51:19,163
submitted in conjunction with an application. Staff, hold a pre

1921
05:51:19,163 --> 05:51:22,763
consultation meeting and identify what the requirements are of the

1922
05:51:22,763 --> 05:51:28,061
applicant when they're considering submitting a rezoning application. And those

1923
05:51:28,061 --> 05:51:32,341
studies are required to be submitted in conjunction with the

1924
05:51:32,341 --> 05:51:39,483
set application. Okay. So, considering this. Has been. You've had

1925
05:51:39,483 --> 05:51:45,013
consultation with the proponent and you've had discussion. Have these

1926
05:51:45,013 --> 05:51:48,613
things been clarified to them that this needs to be

1927
05:51:48,613 --> 05:51:54,004
and is what they have submitted? Part of what would

1928
05:51:54,004 --> 05:52:00,383
be expected. Given that you haven't had a chance. To

1929
05:52:00,383 --> 05:52:02,983
go through the entire thing, but there are several studies

1930
05:52:02,983 --> 05:52:05,503
and so on and so forth that have been submitted

1931
05:52:05,503 --> 05:52:11,171
along. With the. Msetto, and I believe there was also

1932
05:52:11,171 --> 05:52:17,552
a planning justification submitted. So help me understand. If these

1933
05:52:17,552 --> 05:52:24,838
reports, the ones that we have received, Are part of

1934
05:52:24,838 --> 05:52:29,803
what we would normally ask for. Through rezoning. To you,

1935
05:52:29,803 --> 05:52:32,883
Madam Mayor. No, we haven't had a chance to fully

1936
05:52:32,883 --> 05:52:35,963
review the document submission. So I can't confirm if it

1937
05:52:35,963 --> 05:52:40,335
includes everything. That. We required, as we outlined in our

1938
05:52:40,335 --> 05:52:43,335
pre consultation meeting that we had with the applicant last

1939
05:52:43,335 --> 05:52:48,515
summer. What is indicated tonight is that further environmental studies

1940
05:52:48,515 --> 05:52:52,536
are still to be undertaken, so that would not. Be

1941
05:52:52,536 --> 05:52:56,723
a full, complete application. We would still need those studies

1942
05:52:56,723 --> 05:52:59,857
to review. To be deeming it a complete application for

1943
05:52:59,857 --> 05:53:04,127
zoning. Bile. That's just one example. Is that what you

1944
05:53:04,127 --> 05:53:09,493
have noted from what's been presented? In the documentation received

1945
05:53:09,493 --> 05:53:13,223
from avenue. It's from the information from tonight as well

1946
05:53:13,223 --> 05:53:18,572
as. My quick review of the document book that environmental

1947
05:53:18,572 --> 05:53:24,098
studies are forthcoming. Okay. So correct me if I'm wrong,

1948
05:53:24,098 --> 05:53:27,738
and I also spent much of the weekend going through

1949
05:53:27,738 --> 05:53:37,087
the documentation. And to councilor Rock's comments. On the Ontario

1950
05:53:37,087 --> 05:53:45,278
site where it speaks about the msetto orders. It explicitly

1951
05:53:45,278 --> 05:53:51,426
says that. Zillowing orders addressed the soning of the site,

1952
05:53:51,426 --> 05:53:54,986
but they do not provide a proponent with approval to

1953
05:53:54,986 --> 05:53:59,106
start construction and do not exempt them from getting other

1954
05:53:59,106 --> 05:54:05,966
downstream approvals, such as plans of subdivision approvals. Environmental approvals,

1955
05:54:05,966 --> 05:54:11,863
building permits, any other applicable permits. Director heritage is not

1956
05:54:11,863 --> 05:54:15,773
a correct statement as far as you know. Yes, that's

1957
05:54:15,773 --> 05:54:21,745
what's outlined on the provincial website. If nothing else is

1958
05:54:21,745 --> 05:54:31,688
achieved. Through this evening's presentations. The

1959
05:54:31,688 --> 05:54:38,257
public can rest assured. That even. If council were to

1960
05:54:38,257 --> 05:54:46,426
support an mzto. That the approvals. The requirements, everything. Will

1961
05:54:46,426 --> 05:54:52,132
still remain within. This municipality's oversight, is that correct? Madam.

1962
05:54:55,973 --> 05:54:59,333
Site plans are delegated to staff. Subdivisions are also a

1963
05:54:59,333 --> 05:55:03,373
delegated staff, but would come before council for approval. They

1964
05:55:03,373 --> 05:55:07,173
do not require a public meeting through an MZO, as

1965
05:55:07,173 --> 05:55:11,445
the presenter has outlined for you is that. There is

1966
05:55:11,445 --> 05:55:17,019
no public commenting available. Once it goes to the province.

1967
05:55:18,643 --> 05:55:23,483
For public consultation. There is a 30 day consultation window

1968
05:55:23,483 --> 05:55:26,403
that they will put on the environmental registry before they

1969
05:55:26,403 --> 05:55:30,724
make a decision. So correct me if I'm wrong. I

1970
05:55:30,724 --> 05:55:35,571
understood all along. That we couldn't hold a public meeting

1971
05:55:35,571 --> 05:55:39,558
because we didn't have anything to hold. It for? Madam

1972
05:55:39,558 --> 05:55:46,113
Mayor, I understand correct. From the request in December that

1973
05:55:46,113 --> 05:55:50,295
they wanted to go through. The community housing accelerator, or

1974
05:55:50,295 --> 05:55:54,008
the Chia, as it's referred to. And council's direction at

1975
05:55:54,008 --> 05:55:59,786
that time was. For staff once we received the documents,

1976
05:55:59,786 --> 05:56:03,570
including a planning justification report from the applicant. Staff would

1977
05:56:03,570 --> 05:56:06,450
review that with agencies as well as hold a public

1978
05:56:06,450 --> 05:56:11,290
open house because it's not statutorily required for Chia, and

1979
05:56:11,290 --> 05:56:14,530
then we would provide a recommendation before council to make

1980
05:56:14,530 --> 05:56:17,050
a decision as to whether they support the chia, a

1981
05:56:17,050 --> 05:56:21,033
similar process could happen, perhaps with them. Decides to do

1982
05:56:21,033 --> 05:56:25,193
that. But we did receive a planning justification, but we

1983
05:56:25,193 --> 05:56:28,922
did not hold a public meeting, correct? So, yes, we

1984
05:56:28,922 --> 05:56:34,011
have not held a public information session. With the public

1985
05:56:34,011 --> 05:56:39,501
from this request. Okay, thank you. I will probably go

1986
05:56:39,501 --> 05:56:45,433
out on a limb. And I know many people have

1987
05:56:45,433 --> 05:56:50,548
said many things about. This council and about myself. And

1988
05:56:50,548 --> 05:56:58,290
a lot of it is not pleasant. And. A lot

1989
05:56:58,290 --> 05:57:02,370
of it is falsehoods. And as councilor Wright said, we

1990
05:57:02,370 --> 05:57:05,611
do have. The best intentions and the best.

1991
05:57:12,788 --> 05:57:16,221
Heart. We have the best intentions for the best of

1992
05:57:16,221 --> 05:57:20,355
this community. And I don't think that any single one

1993
05:57:20,355 --> 05:57:24,475
of us would ever want to jeopardize. Our lake or

1994
05:57:24,475 --> 05:57:29,547
our environmental wetlands. But we also do have. Medical associates.

1995
05:57:31,756 --> 05:57:35,697
Who are saying. We can't bring doctors because we have

1996
05:57:35,697 --> 05:57:44,606
nowhere for them to live. Again.

1997
05:57:46,439 --> 05:57:52,737
We have had several meetings. With mr. Steve gray. And

1998
05:57:52,737 --> 05:57:53,977
if you want to call me on that, perhaps you'd

1999
05:57:53,977 --> 05:57:55,977
like to reach out to. Him, but I take offense.

2000
05:57:57,849 --> 05:58:01,263
That you think I would make that up? The people.

2001
05:58:03,768 --> 05:58:05,928
Of the grand mushroom farm. They have to truck their

2002
05:58:05,928 --> 05:58:08,928
people in because there is no affordable housing. Within this

2003
05:58:08,928 --> 05:58:12,959
community. I talked to the owner of the Tim Hortons.

2004
05:58:12,959 --> 05:58:17,279
On each street, he bustes his people. In as well,

2005
05:58:17,279 --> 05:58:23,168
because. There is no affordable housing. It's great. We live

2006
05:58:23,168 --> 05:58:27,328
in a fabulous community, but we have to look beyond.

2007
05:58:28,526 --> 05:58:32,397
What we have today. If we can't get in place

2008
05:58:32,397 --> 05:58:37,542
to come and work in our stores. If we can't.

2009
05:58:39,592 --> 05:58:45,361
We can ask you all to leave. Okay. We'll take

2010
05:58:45,361 --> 05:58:51,768
a ten minute reset. Thank you. All in favor?

2011
06:14:34,534 --> 06:14:37,867
Thank you, everyone. I'd like to call this meeting back

2012
06:14:37,867 --> 06:14:42,028
to order. And I will just finish. What I was

2013
06:14:42,028 --> 06:14:44,548
going to say is that I have always been an

2014
06:14:44,548 --> 06:14:50,108
advocate for affordable, attainable housing from 2010. That was part

2015
06:14:50,108 --> 06:14:53,788
of my campaign. I have not changed my opinion, but

2016
06:14:53,788 --> 06:14:56,948
I have given much to this community in the way

2017
06:14:56,948 --> 06:15:00,314
of trying to do our best to serve. Everyone well?

2018
06:15:01,579 --> 06:15:04,459
But we have to look beyond what we have today

2019
06:15:04,459 --> 06:15:08,198
and. We have to be looking forward. Is.

2020
06:15:14,302 --> 06:15:18,725
Past, deferred or defeated. I want you guys all to

2021
06:15:18,725 --> 06:15:22,463
know. That and to appreciate all the work, the time,

2022
06:15:22,463 --> 06:15:28,066
the consideration that goes into these meetings. And. I find

2023
06:15:28,066 --> 06:15:32,519
it offensive that you would question our integrity. On that

2024
06:15:32,519 --> 06:15:37,268
note. I appreciate all of you that have come here

2025
06:15:37,268 --> 06:15:42,421
to express your concerns. But you need to understand. That

2026
06:15:42,421 --> 06:15:45,769
we do understand your concerns. But we also have to

2027
06:15:45,769 --> 06:15:51,244
look at a big picture. Thank you. Okay, having said

2028
06:15:51,244 --> 06:16:01,170
that. I believe. The. Motion on the floor

2029
06:16:01,170 --> 06:16:04,050
or councilor Mariah has a motion to put on the

2030
06:16:04,050 --> 06:16:12,712
floor. For deferral. Which or referral. I'm sorry, not deferral.

2031
06:16:12,712 --> 06:16:17,570
Referral. And he would be looking for a second or

2032
06:16:17,570 --> 06:16:21,966
for that. And the referral. I asked the court to

2033
06:16:21,966 --> 06:16:26,003
walk all of us through. What this whole process means.

2034
06:16:27,503 --> 06:16:29,943
So that everyone in this room is clear on that.

2035
06:16:32,504 --> 06:16:37,384
So council currently has a motion moved by Councilor Rock,

2036
06:16:37,384 --> 06:16:41,664
seconded by Councilor Wright, which. Is to adopt the draft

2037
06:16:41,664 --> 06:16:47,206
motion that was provided on the agenda. Under nine point.

2038
06:16:48,404 --> 06:16:54,955
3.2, which is to seek an MZ O counselor. Leroy

2039
06:16:54,955 --> 06:16:59,613
has moved. A motion of referral, which would refer that

2040
06:16:59,613 --> 06:17:04,674
motion to the Planning and Development Committee for review. With

2041
06:17:04,674 --> 06:17:07,194
a request for a report back to the first meeting

2042
06:17:07,194 --> 06:17:12,941
of the planning committee. In September. Councilor Leroy. You need

2043
06:17:12,941 --> 06:17:17,724
a seconder. Thank you, Mr. Clerk. Is there anyone who

2044
06:17:17,724 --> 06:17:27,712
will second counselors? Referral to the motion. Councilor

2045
06:17:27,712 --> 06:17:33,419
MacDougall. Thank you. Are there any further comments or questions?

2046
06:17:33,419 --> 06:17:37,439
Do we have that on referrals or no? Mr clerk.

2047
06:17:39,309 --> 06:17:45,849
Can you have questions on referral? Yes. Okay, council guido.

2048
06:17:47,988 --> 06:17:52,900
Thank you, Madam Mayor. I'll start my question with a

2049
06:17:52,900 --> 06:17:55,860
comment. I live in a house that was built in

2050
06:17:55,860 --> 06:17:59,751
1873. I'm sure not everyone in this room can say

2051
06:17:59,751 --> 06:18:02,728
the same thing about the date of their home. At

2052
06:18:02,728 --> 06:18:06,741
one point, everyone's home was built. On land. And I'm

2053
06:18:06,741 --> 06:18:08,821
sure at that point there is always someone that was

2054
06:18:08,821 --> 06:18:11,621
not looking forward to a house being built on that

2055
06:18:11,621 --> 06:18:18,971
piece of land. Now for my question. Director Heritage. If

2056
06:18:18,971 --> 06:18:25,894
this referral passes. At that point, will it still be

2057
06:18:25,894 --> 06:18:29,974
the conversation about the MZO? So when the referral or

2058
06:18:29,974 --> 06:18:33,716
the recommendation report comes to us. In, I believe the

2059
06:18:33,716 --> 06:18:38,156
September date. Will this question of the Mzeto still be

2060
06:18:38,156 --> 06:18:41,983
what we will be debating on. Through you, Madam Mayor

2061
06:18:41,983 --> 06:18:44,863
to the councilor. That's my understanding is that if it's.

2062
06:18:44,863 --> 06:18:47,383
Referred back to staff, and no decision is made tonight

2063
06:18:47,383 --> 06:18:51,623
by this council that the issue of the MZO would

2064
06:18:51,623 --> 06:18:56,197
come forward at that time. There are a couple of

2065
06:18:56,197 --> 06:18:58,837
issues, though, that need to be considered. One is that.

2066
06:19:00,220 --> 06:19:05,538
Staff would engage. A public consultation or a consultation with

2067
06:19:05,538 --> 06:19:08,738
the agencies. We'd like to circulate this. Material to get

2068
06:19:08,738 --> 06:19:13,323
comments back. From the MECP, the region of Durham and

2069
06:19:13,323 --> 06:19:16,243
so on, as well as I guess there's. An issue

2070
06:19:16,243 --> 06:19:19,898
too. Do we hold further public consultation with the residents

2071
06:19:19,898 --> 06:19:22,498
in the area once we receive these comments back? From

2072
06:19:22,498 --> 06:19:29,008
the agencies. If I may, madam mayor. The further public

2073
06:19:29,008 --> 06:19:33,528
consultation with the community. Would that be specific on the

2074
06:19:33,528 --> 06:19:38,635
MZO topic and not all the other. Topics. That may

2075
06:19:38,635 --> 06:19:41,859
be a concern. Through you, Madam Mayor to the councilor,

2076
06:19:41,859 --> 06:19:44,699
that's my understanding, is that it would be. Specific to

2077
06:19:44,699 --> 06:19:48,299
the Mz O and bringing that forward. Okay. Thank you.

2078
06:19:48,299 --> 06:19:56,492
And for the September time. Frame that would allow. For

2079
06:19:56,492 --> 06:20:01,725
two months. For staff to do whatever circulation they need

2080
06:20:01,725 --> 06:20:06,239
to do. In an absence of replies from those agencies.

2081
06:20:07,457 --> 06:20:10,257
We would still meet our September deadline for a return

2082
06:20:10,257 --> 06:20:14,833
back to council. Through you, Madam mayor, to the councilor.

2083
06:20:14,833 --> 06:20:18,353
Staff could bring a report back to council for consideration.

2084
06:20:18,353 --> 06:20:21,153
At that point in time, but we may be missing

2085
06:20:21,153 --> 06:20:23,833
a number of comments from the agencies that have been

2086
06:20:23,833 --> 06:20:28,245
circulated. On the request for comments. Fair enough. Thank you.

2087
06:20:28,245 --> 06:20:30,645
Thank you, madamir. And I will just conclude. With one

2088
06:20:30,645 --> 06:20:34,851
further comment. I'm a parent of a 19 and a

2089
06:20:34,851 --> 06:20:40,094
16 year old, and I truly fear that. When they

2090
06:20:40,094 --> 06:20:44,122
finish their post secondary education. That they won't be able

2091
06:20:44,122 --> 06:20:48,108
to come back and call Scoogog home. I want them

2092
06:20:48,108 --> 06:20:50,948
to come back and call Scoogog home, but right now

2093
06:20:50,948 --> 06:20:53,828
they can't. Afford a 2000 square foot home or a

2094
06:20:53,828 --> 06:20:57,028
5000 square foot home or 1000 square foot home at

2095
06:20:57,028 --> 06:21:01,386
that matter. We need to find a way. To have

2096
06:21:01,386 --> 06:21:04,546
our future generations. We heard that this evening. For our

2097
06:21:04,546 --> 06:21:08,266
kids, our grandkids, our great grandkids. We need a way

2098
06:21:08,266 --> 06:21:12,306
to house that generation as well as the generation of

2099
06:21:12,306 --> 06:21:15,026
those who no longer are able to look after their

2100
06:21:15,026 --> 06:21:17,986
own home. But I'm not ready. To go anywhere else

2101
06:21:17,986 --> 06:21:22,238
yet. I am proud to call Scoogog home. I truly

2102
06:21:22,238 --> 06:21:25,198
am proud to call Scoogog home. And I want my

2103
06:21:25,198 --> 06:21:28,038
children, should they choose to want to live in Scoogog.

2104
06:21:28,038 --> 06:21:30,998
To be able to call Scoogog home as well, just

2105
06:21:30,998 --> 06:21:34,078
not maybe under my roof when they return, but under

2106
06:21:34,078 --> 06:21:37,605
their own roof. So. Madam Air, thank you for allowing.

2107
06:21:38,744 --> 06:21:41,064
The further comment on my part, and thank you, director

2108
06:21:41,064 --> 06:21:47,496
heritage, for the answer. Thank you, Councilor Gurdo. Councilor. Well,

2109
06:21:47,496 --> 06:21:52,444
thank you for the personal. Reflection, councilor Guido. I have

2110
06:21:52,444 --> 06:21:55,524
four children in their twenty s and I know none

2111
06:21:55,524 --> 06:21:59,371
of them. Currently live in Scogog because. There is no

2112
06:21:59,371 --> 06:22:03,851
affordable housing and nearly no affordable rental units for them

2113
06:22:03,851 --> 06:22:06,291
to stay here. I know. One of the four desperately

2114
06:22:06,291 --> 06:22:08,811
would like to move back here, and there is literally

2115
06:22:08,811 --> 06:22:11,931
nothing for him. To move back to rent to be

2116
06:22:11,931 --> 06:22:16,064
here. I find that we do desperately need affordable housing

2117
06:22:16,064 --> 06:22:23,093
and rental units. To keep the younger generation here. And

2118
06:22:23,093 --> 06:22:26,179
I will now ask a question. Through you about a

2119
06:22:26,179 --> 06:22:31,413
merit to director heritage. What are the questions that we're

2120
06:22:31,413 --> 06:22:33,773
going to be asking all of these agencies, will they

2121
06:22:33,773 --> 06:22:38,293
be limited and focused on the specific question around density

2122
06:22:38,293 --> 06:22:47,019
and land use. Madam Mayor to the councilor some of

2123
06:22:47,019 --> 06:22:49,979
the questions we'll be focusing on density and land use.

2124
06:22:49,979 --> 06:22:54,618
Other questions we'll be dealing with. Servicing. Servicing is a

2125
06:22:54,618 --> 06:22:59,267
major issue. For this development if there's no communal servicing.

2126
06:22:59,267 --> 06:23:03,142
My understanding is the development doesn't. Proceed. So there are

2127
06:23:03,142 --> 06:23:06,142
other issues that need to be addressed and what is

2128
06:23:06,142 --> 06:23:09,182
being requested in the mz o as well is that

2129
06:23:09,182 --> 06:23:11,902
you're looking at density, you're looking at housing. Form. You're

2130
06:23:11,902 --> 06:23:15,759
looking at all the performance standards as well. In the

2131
06:23:15,759 --> 06:23:18,919
zoning bylaw in terms of building height, lock coverage, building

2132
06:23:18,919 --> 06:23:23,596
setbacks, and so on. So it's far more than just

2133
06:23:23,596 --> 06:23:28,567
simply density and housing form. So if we were to

2134
06:23:28,567 --> 06:23:32,198
say yes to this tonight, We would be saying yes

2135
06:23:32,198 --> 06:23:37,079
to the very specific question on density. And land use.

2136
06:23:38,625 --> 06:23:41,345
And the rest of those questions would we dealt with

2137
06:23:41,345 --> 06:23:44,065
to my understanding and please correct me if I'm wrong

2138
06:23:44,065 --> 06:23:46,945
would be dealt with down the line in the process.

2139
06:23:48,393 --> 06:23:51,753
As site plans and development plans came to you for

2140
06:23:51,753 --> 06:23:58,435
review, is that correct? Of the councilor? Partially. We're still.

2141
06:24:00,298 --> 06:24:02,858
Looking at density. I agree. We're looking at housing form,

2142
06:24:02,858 --> 06:24:05,498
we're looking at all. The performance standards. As I said

2143
06:24:05,498 --> 06:24:07,658
in the zoning bylaw, there are a number of performance

2144
06:24:07,658 --> 06:24:10,258
standards. That have to be abided by, and that's what's

2145
06:24:10,258 --> 06:24:14,058
being included in the MZO building heights, lock coverage, building

2146
06:24:14,058 --> 06:24:21,367
setbacks the amount of landscaping associated with development. Commercial development.

2147
06:24:21,367 --> 06:24:28,281
Maximum gross floor area for commercial development. Parking requirements, buffer

2148
06:24:28,281 --> 06:24:35,874
areas. Because. The entire developable portion of the land at

2149
06:24:35,874 --> 06:24:40,803
this point in time is unknown. It's subject to further

2150
06:24:40,803 --> 06:24:45,842
review. But that would ultimately be included within the MZO.

2151
06:24:47,620 --> 06:24:53,847
Right. So, again. Just for clarification, you said partially. What

2152
06:24:53,847 --> 06:24:58,133
part wouldn't you be able to review? If they were

2153
06:24:58,133 --> 06:25:01,573
granted the mzeto, what would you be losing and what

2154
06:25:01,573 --> 06:25:05,253
wouldn't? You be losing before this council made a final

2155
06:25:05,253 --> 06:25:08,933
decision. Before shovels went in the ground. What? Would you

2156
06:25:08,933 --> 06:25:13,516
be losing in the process? From a control perspective of

2157
06:25:13,516 --> 06:25:17,321
you in your role. Three. A madam mayor to the

2158
06:25:17,321 --> 06:25:24,891
councilor. I think I indicated that in terms of. What

2159
06:25:24,891 --> 06:25:28,211
would be included in the MZ O, which would be

2160
06:25:28,211 --> 06:25:32,402
approved by the minister if it goes that far. I

2161
06:25:32,402 --> 06:25:41,681
would just be repeating everything in terms of. Individual. Or

2162
06:25:41,681 --> 06:25:44,001
density housing forms and that kind of thing. We wouldn't

2163
06:25:44,001 --> 06:25:47,521
be specifying that that would all be included within the

2164
06:25:47,521 --> 06:25:52,080
MZO. Right. So if they were to receive it at

2165
06:25:52,080 --> 06:25:54,360
the end of the day, though, they would still have

2166
06:25:54,360 --> 06:25:57,240
to come back, and they would have to prove that

2167
06:25:57,240 --> 06:26:02,840
all of those things were reasonable, feasible. And achievable. Before

2168
06:26:02,840 --> 06:26:04,560
shovel went in the ground through your department, is that

2169
06:26:04,560 --> 06:26:09,070
correct? So while you might not be participating, With the

2170
06:26:09,070 --> 06:26:13,470
choice of some of those performance factors, you would ultimately

2171
06:26:13,470 --> 06:26:18,430
be reviewing the documentation which proved that they were reasonable,

2172
06:26:18,430 --> 06:26:23,076
feasible and achievable. Through you, Madam mayor, to the councilor.

2173
06:26:23,076 --> 06:26:27,276
The staff would be reviewing those documents as part of

2174
06:26:27,276 --> 06:26:30,516
a site plan application or a draft plan. A subdivision.

2175
06:26:30,516 --> 06:26:34,236
Correct. So at the end of the day, whether you

2176
06:26:34,236 --> 06:26:38,878
had this level of input ahead of time. Or at

2177
06:26:38,878 --> 06:26:43,078
the end, you would still have control of this, but

2178
06:26:43,078 --> 06:26:46,335
the project would be moving forward. Were they to get

2179
06:26:46,335 --> 06:26:50,215
an MZ O to be able to gather all of

2180
06:26:50,215 --> 06:26:53,375
these information with a very definitive target in mind, is

2181
06:26:53,375 --> 06:26:58,190
that correct? Mayor to the councilor. One of the considerations

2182
06:26:58,190 --> 06:27:04,228
we'd like to have. That staff would like to bring

2183
06:27:04,228 --> 06:27:08,578
forward is some consultation with our legal counsel. To see

2184
06:27:08,578 --> 06:27:12,218
what actual commitments are being made through the MZO process

2185
06:27:12,218 --> 06:27:16,279
and what we're actually losing. I want to fully understand

2186
06:27:16,279 --> 06:27:19,039
that through our legal counsel before I can give you.

2187
06:27:20,503 --> 06:27:25,350
A response. So I will direct my final question to

2188
06:27:25,350 --> 06:27:32,129
Councilor Leroy. Hearing that. They will ultimately be responsible for

2189
06:27:32,129 --> 06:27:34,289
saying yes or no to any of these things in

2190
06:27:34,289 --> 06:27:39,967
what they're received. I really struggle to understand why this

2191
06:27:39,967 --> 06:27:42,807
is going to be referred and why we're not. Making

2192
06:27:42,807 --> 06:27:46,928
a simple decision on a very straightforward. Very defined and

2193
06:27:46,928 --> 06:27:55,871
limited question tonight. Councillor McDougal.

2194
06:27:59,409 --> 06:28:03,924
Thank you, Madam Mayor. I'm just pulling up my spot.

2195
06:28:05,766 --> 06:28:09,006
So should this be referred through Madam Mayor to Director

2196
06:28:09,006 --> 06:28:14,765
heritage? Should this be referred to staff? The Ministry of

2197
06:28:14,765 --> 06:28:24,509
Municipal Housing Affairs. Has. Submission expectations. So if this Mzo

2198
06:28:24,509 --> 06:28:29,069
is submitted by the township of Skugog, it is expected

2199
06:28:29,069 --> 06:28:32,149
to meet those submission expectations. Is that correct for you?

2200
06:28:32,149 --> 06:28:36,558
Madamir to Director Heritage. Through you. Madam Mayor to the

2201
06:28:36,558 --> 06:28:41,172
councilor. That's correct. The submission expectations are outlined on the

2202
06:28:41,172 --> 06:28:45,509
ministry's website. And I can read some of them for

2203
06:28:45,509 --> 06:28:52,568
you, if you wish. For. Certainly, Madam Mayor, such as

2204
06:28:52,568 --> 06:28:57,168
anticipated timelines related to applying for downstream approvals. For example,

2205
06:28:57,168 --> 06:29:01,048
site plan a subdivision building permit. Thanks. Servicing may be

2206
06:29:01,048 --> 06:29:08,905
in there as well. The right spot. Correct. Justification for

2207
06:29:08,905 --> 06:29:11,385
the exemption of the application of provincial and local land

2208
06:29:11,385 --> 06:29:16,265
use policies to downstream approvals anticipated timelines, anticipated timing for

2209
06:29:16,265 --> 06:29:20,185
project completion, justification for the use of any of the

2210
06:29:20,185 --> 06:29:27,617
enhanced authorities. Which is not relevant. Information related to how

2211
06:29:27,617 --> 06:29:32,076
and when servicing wastewater water will be addressed. And the

2212
06:29:32,076 --> 06:29:33,956
commitment that if the zoning order is made, the landowner

2213
06:29:33,956 --> 06:29:36,236
notify the minister 30 days. In advance of the sale

2214
06:29:36,236 --> 06:29:39,703
of any land it applies to. So further through you,

2215
06:29:39,703 --> 06:29:43,925
Madam Mayor. Question to Director heritage, I believe. The question

2216
06:29:43,925 --> 06:29:47,929
at hand before the deferral was placed before us. Was

2217
06:29:47,929 --> 06:29:51,249
is the township of Scoogog going to make application for

2218
06:29:51,249 --> 06:29:55,249
this MZO on? Behalf of Avenue properties. I think that's

2219
06:29:55,249 --> 06:29:57,289
how it's structured. Is that correct to you, Madam Mayor.

2220
06:29:59,376 --> 06:30:01,496
Three. Madam Mayor to the councilor, my understanding is that

2221
06:30:01,496 --> 06:30:05,937
the applicant is requesting council to support. Their application for

2222
06:30:05,937 --> 06:30:11,393
an MZO to the minister, okay. And then further through

2223
06:30:11,393 --> 06:30:15,433
you, Madam Mayor, in supporting their application. Are we content

2224
06:30:15,433 --> 06:30:19,838
that all these things are contained within their application. To

2225
06:30:19,838 --> 06:30:25,062
Director heritage. Mr. Ca.

2226
06:30:27,717 --> 06:30:33,787
Cadamair, it's my understanding that the applicant is asking us

2227
06:30:33,787 --> 06:30:37,387
to apply on their behalf from the MZO, not just

2228
06:30:37,387 --> 06:30:41,341
to support the MZO. Thank you through your madamor and

2229
06:30:41,341 --> 06:30:48,348
as Mr. Cao. We heard earlier. Are you content that

2230
06:30:48,348 --> 06:30:51,628
all of these things are in the application should we

2231
06:30:51,628 --> 06:30:57,997
decide to move ahead? In supporting the mzto. I cannot

2232
06:30:57,997 --> 06:31:04,106
comment on whether everything is or is not. At this

2233
06:31:04,106 --> 06:31:10,153
point. Okay, that's all. Thank you, madam. Councilor rock.

2234
06:31:14,520 --> 06:31:17,845
I just wanted to address. The question before by Councilor

2235
06:31:17,845 --> 06:31:22,879
McDougall, I would presume that. The quickest way to this.

2236
06:31:22,879 --> 06:31:25,679
Not moving forward would for it to be not complete.

2237
06:31:27,416 --> 06:31:31,096
So if we submitted a not complete report on their

2238
06:31:31,096 --> 06:31:35,801
behalf, this would go down in flames. Pretty quickly. Council

2239
06:31:35,801 --> 06:31:45,576
liber. Liberty. Yes. Thank you, Madam Marin. I will reply

2240
06:31:45,576 --> 06:31:49,935
to Councilor Rock's question to me. I believe in a

2241
06:31:49,935 --> 06:31:52,895
certain amount of process, and what I'm looking for is

2242
06:31:52,895 --> 06:31:57,518
merely two. Months, which. Isn't a lot in the scope

2243
06:31:57,518 --> 06:32:02,066
of a development application of this scale. Honestly, we've seen

2244
06:32:02,066 --> 06:32:06,306
more input from staff on surplus farm severances than we

2245
06:32:06,306 --> 06:32:11,552
have. For this 600 unit development proposal. In it. I

2246
06:32:11,552 --> 06:32:14,392
am entirely in favor of affordable and attainable housing and

2247
06:32:14,392 --> 06:32:16,672
actually quite supportive of many of the ideas in this

2248
06:32:16,672 --> 06:32:20,593
plan, but I do think it behooves us to. At

2249
06:32:20,593 --> 06:32:23,233
least take a few minutes to have staff look at

2250
06:32:23,233 --> 06:32:26,767
it. Every proposal that has come to us has come

2251
06:32:26,767 --> 06:32:30,926
with a staff report. I value what that insight might

2252
06:32:30,926 --> 06:32:33,846
produce. It could be that the recommendation is to support

2253
06:32:33,846 --> 06:32:36,646
the Mz. O it could be. The recommendation is that

2254
06:32:36,646 --> 06:32:38,646
we need a further study in order to get to

2255
06:32:38,646 --> 06:32:41,626
that support. I don't think this is something that's going

2256
06:32:41,626 --> 06:32:46,983
to be decided tonight, but. A two month delay in

2257
06:32:46,983 --> 06:32:50,623
this project I don't feel will be unduly onerous. To

2258
06:32:50,623 --> 06:32:52,863
the proponent and it might give us a bit more

2259
06:32:52,863 --> 06:32:56,304
information. That would be beneficial for the development as a

2260
06:32:56,304 --> 06:32:59,384
whole. So this is my thought process behind that. Request.

2261
06:33:00,694 --> 06:33:07,063
Others may disagree. But to Councilor Rock's specific question. It's

2262
06:33:07,063 --> 06:33:10,936
procedural for me. And also informational is kind of what

2263
06:33:10,936 --> 06:33:13,936
I'm looking to receive from staff in this matter. Thank

2264
06:33:13,936 --> 06:33:18,678
you. Thank you, Councilor Leroy. Are there any further comments?

2265
06:33:20,604 --> 06:33:28,601
Thank you. So. The question is or the referral is

2266
06:33:28,601 --> 06:33:37,631
on the floor. That the motion be referred. And. Staff.

2267
06:33:37,631 --> 06:33:41,511
The planning and development staff report back to the planning

2268
06:33:41,511 --> 06:33:47,660
and community affairs meeting in September 2024. If there are

2269
06:33:47,660 --> 06:33:53,814
no further comments, then we will call the question. For

2270
06:33:53,814 --> 06:34:01,684
this. Sorry. Yes, it is recorded. Not on this. No,

2271
06:34:01,684 --> 06:34:05,564
it was on the other. Sorry. So I will call.

2272
06:34:05,564 --> 06:34:10,505
All in favor of. The referral motion. All in favor?

2273
06:34:13,198 --> 06:34:22,885
That's for. That is Carrie. Okay, so we

2274
06:34:22,885 --> 06:34:25,245
can expect that we will have a report back at

2275
06:34:25,245 --> 06:34:29,721
planning and community affairs meeting. In September. Thank you very

2276
06:34:29,721 --> 06:34:32,801
much. And we will move on now to our consent

2277
06:34:32,801 --> 06:34:33,121
agenda.

2278
06:34:50,490 --> 06:34:57,945
Okay, sorry. We'll just wait till the chamber clears for

2279
06:34:57,945 --> 06:34:58,785
those that want to leave.

2280
06:35:33,366 --> 06:35:35,126
Or whatever. Just speak to them for a moment.

2281
06:35:57,757 --> 06:36:05,762
Okay. In the interest of moving forward. We do have

2282
06:36:05,762 --> 06:36:10,370
a consent agenda before us. And at this point in

2283
06:36:10,370 --> 06:36:19,321
time, We have 10.1.4 and 10.1.8. Pulled.

2284
06:36:22,042 --> 06:36:30,250
10.2.6 and 10.2.7. Are there any others that you would

2285
06:36:30,250 --> 06:36:38,076
like pulled? Anyone.

2286
06:36:41,009 --> 06:36:47,340
10.1. Point 410.1 .8.

2287
06:36:49,231 --> 06:36:55,844
10.2.6 and 10.2.7. And we will.

2288
06:36:59,787 --> 06:37:06,347
Yes. Specifically.

2289
06:37:09,534 --> 06:37:16,199
10.1.4. So that councilor McDougall has declared on that report,

2290
06:37:16,199 --> 06:37:19,439
so we are pulling that, so. That he can vote

2291
06:37:19,439 --> 06:37:28,057
on everything else. And what are these ones? Which.

2292
06:37:31,651 --> 06:37:33,628
In turn. Maybe not. Maybe I got that wrong.

2293
06:37:48,827 --> 06:37:54,975
Okay. All the bylaws are fine as well. So if

2294
06:37:54,975 --> 06:37:57,295
there are no further polls, we'll. Have a mover and

2295
06:37:57,295 --> 06:38:03,593
a seconder for the consent agenda, please. Councilor larry. Councilor

2296
06:38:03,593 --> 06:38:12,293
guido. All in favor?

2297
06:38:17,067 --> 06:38:22,664
Thank you. And that is carried. Okay. So we will

2298
06:38:22,664 --> 06:38:28,892
now do 10.1.4. And. That is the minutes of the

2299
06:38:28,892 --> 06:38:37,043
gpna, june 3. Save an exciting section 9.4. Section 9.4.

2300
06:38:40,262 --> 06:38:48,458
He's going to skip the whole thing. Okay, so. We'll

2301
06:38:48,458 --> 06:38:52,498
just vote on 10.1.4. Do we need to move her

2302
06:38:52,498 --> 06:38:57,136
in? A seconder. Sorry I asked that. I should have.

2303
06:38:57,136 --> 06:39:00,376
Okay. Thank you. That was Councilor Wright, Councilor Guido. All

2304
06:39:00,376 --> 06:39:10,098
in favor? Sorry. We're doing 10.1.4. We pulled that individually

2305
06:39:10,098 --> 06:39:13,618
because councilor McDugal had a conflict. Did you want to

2306
06:39:13,618 --> 06:39:21,534
speak? To it. Sorry. Yeah. I have one question. It

2307
06:39:21,534 --> 06:39:25,134
was my understanding that coming out of the GPNA meeting,

2308
06:39:26,755 --> 06:39:33,231
That. Information would be disseminated. On the basis. Of our

2309
06:39:33,231 --> 06:39:38,004
approval. Just wanted to ask manager Hendry. Have we started

2310
06:39:38,004 --> 06:39:42,088
sending the documentation around? Sorry. I'm trying to remember what

2311
06:39:42,088 --> 06:39:50,712
exactly. We had promised to begin circulation.

2312
06:39:51,990 --> 06:39:57,307
Of the circulation. Yes. On Birchwood. There was a question

2313
06:39:57,307 --> 06:39:59,787
of. At the end of the meeting, there'd be circulation.

2314
06:40:05,246 --> 06:40:06,806
In a 20 day appeal. Have we started that? The

2315
06:40:06,806 --> 06:40:11,747
circulation of the documentation coming out of that. The mayor

2316
06:40:11,747 --> 06:40:14,307
to the councilor. We are very close to circulating the

2317
06:40:14,307 --> 06:40:17,787
site plan application. I just. Received. The bila has to

2318
06:40:17,787 --> 06:40:21,467
be passed tonight for approval, but I will be circulating

2319
06:40:21,467 --> 06:40:27,315
the site. Plan application. This week. To receive agency comments.

2320
06:40:29,643 --> 06:40:31,883
So just a quick follow up question, I guess. Why

2321
06:40:31,883 --> 06:40:34,683
have we lost a week? What was missing? Over the

2322
06:40:34,683 --> 06:40:38,544
last week. Married to the councilor had a meeting on

2323
06:40:38,544 --> 06:40:41,144
Friday with the applicant to discuss the matters that we

2324
06:40:41,144 --> 06:40:43,784
discussed on Monday night what would be required to make

2325
06:40:43,784 --> 06:40:47,562
a complete application. In the meeting, we included regional works

2326
06:40:47,562 --> 06:40:50,762
as well as our peer ecologist, and it was understood

2327
06:40:50,762 --> 06:40:53,442
as to what their requirements were, be one of them

2328
06:40:53,442 --> 06:40:58,485
included the draft 40 r plan. And. We have since

2329
06:40:58,485 --> 06:41:03,059
received that. And so late this evening as well, we

2330
06:41:03,059 --> 06:41:06,099
did receive some additional information that would deem the application

2331
06:41:06,099 --> 06:41:10,473
complete, so we'll be processing. That. Should council approve the

2332
06:41:10,473 --> 06:41:16,324
application tonight? Sure. So that application will be. Circulated. So

2333
06:41:16,324 --> 06:41:19,765
when does the 20. Days clock start? Did it start

2334
06:41:19,765 --> 06:41:23,805
last week or is it starting now? Because again, these

2335
06:41:23,805 --> 06:41:26,634
people want to get open. So I just want to

2336
06:41:26,634 --> 06:41:30,594
make sure everybody has a definitive understanding of when the

2337
06:41:30,594 --> 06:41:33,394
clock is starting. Because they have a lot of work

2338
06:41:33,394 --> 06:41:36,314
to do to be an opening. So through the mayor

2339
06:41:36,314 --> 06:41:39,354
to the counselor. It's a 20 day appeal period after

2340
06:41:39,354 --> 06:41:42,154
council makes a decision, so it's. 20 days after the

2341
06:41:42,154 --> 06:41:45,674
clerk sends notice when that clock will start ticking, so

2342
06:41:45,674 --> 06:41:48,019
it'll be up to. The clerk to send notice of

2343
06:41:48,019 --> 06:41:50,499
that. That is, when? If council chooses to approve it

2344
06:41:50,499 --> 06:41:53,939
tonight and. There's no appeals. Then the decision will be

2345
06:41:53,939 --> 06:41:56,219
final. We still need to work through the site plan

2346
06:41:56,219 --> 06:41:59,915
agreement. It's a letter of undertaking. So we're going to

2347
06:41:59,915 --> 06:42:05,527
be starting that process ASAP. And then after. Staff and

2348
06:42:05,527 --> 06:42:11,589
the applicant. Have the signed letter of undertaking. They still

2349
06:42:11,589 --> 06:42:16,711
need to complete their building permit process. Finalize that before

2350
06:42:16,711 --> 06:42:20,491
they can start occupying those units. Anything further, Councilor Rob?

2351
06:42:27,531 --> 06:42:30,331
Yeah, I guess what I just heard was not my

2352
06:42:30,331 --> 06:42:34,011
understanding coming out of GPNA, and it seems as though

2353
06:42:34,011 --> 06:42:36,451
a lot more time has been added to the clock

2354
06:42:36,451 --> 06:42:39,531
for them. So that was not my understanding. My understanding

2355
06:42:39,531 --> 06:42:41,931
is we were going to be trying to execute the

2356
06:42:41,931 --> 06:42:44,611
letter of understanding. In the same time frame as the

2357
06:42:44,611 --> 06:42:48,084
20 day appeal period. So I guess I'm really. Concerned

2358
06:42:48,084 --> 06:42:51,444
is when are these people going to be able to

2359
06:42:51,444 --> 06:42:55,647
open. I really think we all need a very clear

2360
06:42:55,647 --> 06:42:59,319
answer to that question. Should. The matter of the councilor.

2361
06:42:59,319 --> 06:43:01,639
Can I just ask for a clarification? Are we. Talking

2362
06:43:01,639 --> 06:43:05,039
about Birchwood right now? Because right now we have general

2363
06:43:05,039 --> 06:43:08,119
purpose and administration meeting minutes. I'm sorry. I thought we

2364
06:43:08,119 --> 06:43:11,693
were on planning. My apologies. I'm so sorry. May I

2365
06:43:11,693 --> 06:43:16,278
suggest we continue on rather than start over? We thought

2366
06:43:16,278 --> 06:43:20,761
already consented. That one was already consent. Sorry we pulled

2367
06:43:20,761 --> 06:43:25,568
the wrong one. My apologies. It's done. That's fine. Okay.

2368
06:43:29,417 --> 06:43:31,297
Councilor ruck should have picked up on that as well.

2369
06:43:32,960 --> 06:43:40,356
Okay. 10.1.8 councilor Guido, you pulled that.

2370
06:43:42,662 --> 06:43:49,734
Second. Replace first. Councilor Lorraine. Thank you. Go ahead, councilor

2371
06:43:49,734 --> 06:43:56,517
Guido. Thank you, Madam Mayor. Through you. To. Acting director

2372
06:43:56,517 --> 06:44:00,601
Frasco. In the minutes it speaks to. And I'm sorry,

2373
06:44:00,601 --> 06:44:03,849
I don't have them up. Yes. It speaks to the

2374
06:44:03,849 --> 06:44:07,811
automated cart collection. Pilot that is due to take place

2375
06:44:07,811 --> 06:44:12,211
in a particular route in Scoogog, do we know which

2376
06:44:12,211 --> 06:44:15,811
route that is. And have those residents been notified yet

2377
06:44:15,811 --> 06:44:24,716
that they will be part of? This pilot. Through you,

2378
06:44:24,716 --> 06:44:28,202
Madam Mayor. I don't know if they've been consulted yet.

2379
06:44:29,636 --> 06:44:33,466
Or. If the region has reached out to them. But

2380
06:44:33,466 --> 06:44:37,346
I do have the map location that I can't put

2381
06:44:37,346 --> 06:44:40,426
up, but I will. Physically. Or I can tell you

2382
06:44:40,426 --> 06:44:46,241
where the borderlines are. And the region is looking to

2383
06:44:46,241 --> 06:44:49,761
run the one year pilot on the regional road 21

2384
06:44:49,761 --> 06:44:55,158
as being the limit south to Townline Road. And lake

2385
06:44:55,158 --> 06:45:00,612
ridge road. East to Simcoe street, so that's the quadrant

2386
06:45:00,612 --> 06:45:05,429
that they'll be working on. Old Simcoe will only be.

2387
06:45:05,429 --> 06:45:08,189
The only part of the pilot will be from Simcoe

2388
06:45:08,189 --> 06:45:14,560
street. To scoop line four. That last piece to King

2389
06:45:14,560 --> 06:45:18,654
street is not included. So that is the quadrant area.

2390
06:45:20,144 --> 06:45:22,944
I have found some information that we received from the

2391
06:45:22,944 --> 06:45:25,989
region. As a letter, and I can read some of

2392
06:45:25,989 --> 06:45:30,096
that to you. That would answer your question. The Waste

2393
06:45:30,096 --> 06:45:33,776
Management Services branch of the works department, in participation with

2394
06:45:33,776 --> 06:45:37,416
Miller Waste systems, is conducting a pilot project to assist

2395
06:45:37,416 --> 06:45:40,496
with the impact of an automated cart based residential garbage

2396
06:45:40,496 --> 06:45:46,863
collection program. As per the works Committee report 2024. WR

2397
06:45:46,863 --> 06:45:52,663
four and approved from regional council on May 29, 2024.

2398
06:45:52,663 --> 06:45:55,943
The pilot project will commence in the township of Scoogog

2399
06:45:55,943 --> 06:45:59,583
on July 12, 2024, and will run for a period

2400
06:45:59,583 --> 06:46:02,830
of one year. Over the coming weeks, the residents in

2401
06:46:02,830 --> 06:46:06,230
the pilot project area will receive an information package from

2402
06:46:06,230 --> 06:46:10,510
the region, including them to the pilot, providing details about

2403
06:46:10,510 --> 06:46:14,470
the automated cart collection and how to participate in the

2404
06:46:14,470 --> 06:46:18,510
pilot project Miller waste system will also be delivering a

2405
06:46:18,510 --> 06:46:22,157
one wheeled. Sorry, one wheeled gar. Garbage cart to the

2406
06:46:22,157 --> 06:46:27,406
resident. On the resident's regular garbage collection day. Each participating

2407
06:46:27,406 --> 06:46:29,966
household will be asked to roll the cart to the

2408
06:46:29,966 --> 06:46:33,967
curb with the garbage inside for the collection. I've been

2409
06:46:33,967 --> 06:46:37,247
told the cart size can hold up to four regular

2410
06:46:37,247 --> 06:46:44,177
garbage bags. And. They wheel quite easily to the end

2411
06:46:44,177 --> 06:46:47,257
of the curve. Wonderful. Thank you for that information and

2412
06:46:47,257 --> 06:46:50,017
my assumption would be that there is no additional cost

2413
06:46:50,017 --> 06:46:53,617
to the residents to participate in this, that their bin

2414
06:46:53,617 --> 06:46:57,457
will be provided to them from Miller through you. Madam

2415
06:46:57,457 --> 06:47:02,328
Mayor, I'm under the same. Assumption. Wonderful. Thank you. Thank

2416
06:47:02,328 --> 06:47:07,808
you. Moving on to 10.2.6. Count adopted. Oh, sorry. We

2417
06:47:07,808 --> 06:47:16,477
need a motion. To. Adopt. So, all in favor?

2418
06:47:18,886 --> 06:47:27,426
Thank you. Moving on to 10.2.6. Finance 2024 00:27 the

2419
06:47:27,426 --> 06:47:32,991
2023 operating surplus councilor Leroy. You asked to have this

2420
06:47:32,991 --> 06:47:37,058
poll. Could we have a seconder, please? Councilor McDougall. Thank

2421
06:47:37,058 --> 06:47:42,390
you. And councilor Laroy, did you have questions? Yes, I

2422
06:47:42,390 --> 06:47:51,351
do. Thank you, Madam Director Barda. When the strategic review

2423
06:47:51,351 --> 06:47:56,513
was discussed last day, counsel and we discussed. Various investments

2424
06:47:56,513 --> 06:47:59,593
that would be required. Most of them were related to

2425
06:47:59,593 --> 06:48:02,633
human capital, so hiring people and almost all of them

2426
06:48:02,633 --> 06:48:07,233
were covered by anticipated revenues, with the exception of the

2427
06:48:07,233 --> 06:48:12,830
communications hire and the human resources higher. So I'm not

2428
06:48:12,830 --> 06:48:16,775
sure I understand. Why we want to allocate a million

2429
06:48:16,775 --> 06:48:22,288
dollars of the surplus. To the review objectives. When I

2430
06:48:22,288 --> 06:48:26,181
thought most of the objectives were already being financed. Through

2431
06:48:26,181 --> 06:48:34,271
you, Madam Mayor. The service delivery and organizational review was

2432
06:48:34,271 --> 06:48:38,111
done partway through the year. So the balance of the

2433
06:48:38,111 --> 06:48:42,871
requirement for the staffing was not included in the 2024

2434
06:48:42,871 --> 06:48:52,244
budget. The additional fees that we anticipate collecting. Are. May

2435
06:48:52,244 --> 06:48:56,370
cover part of that cost for 2024. But we are

2436
06:48:56,370 --> 06:49:00,370
not positive that we will have enough. Earned in fees

2437
06:49:00,370 --> 06:49:03,050
in the latter part of the year to cover all

2438
06:49:03,050 --> 06:49:08,576
of the costs. So we need some flexibility. Within. The

2439
06:49:08,576 --> 06:49:14,050
reserve to offset the difference in that area. There are

2440
06:49:14,050 --> 06:49:19,170
also other initiatives that were mentioned in the service delivery

2441
06:49:19,170 --> 06:49:24,893
review that staff are pursuing. With council's authorization that there

2442
06:49:24,893 --> 06:49:29,958
is a cost to such as. The review of salaries.

2443
06:49:31,964 --> 06:49:36,383
For all staff and council. There will be a cost

2444
06:49:36,383 --> 06:49:39,903
for that. And there are other initiatives that are planned

2445
06:49:39,903 --> 06:49:43,383
that there will be costs, and we wanted the fees

2446
06:49:43,383 --> 06:49:48,433
to be. In the municipal projects reserve or the surplus

2447
06:49:48,433 --> 06:49:53,401
to cover. Any of these program costs once they come

2448
06:49:53,401 --> 06:49:58,184
to council for approval. Thank you. Direct barter. I believe

2449
06:49:58,184 --> 06:50:03,058
RCAO has something to add. Go ahead, Ken. Thank you,

2450
06:50:03,058 --> 06:50:06,818
Madam Mayor. We did talk about them being the majority

2451
06:50:06,818 --> 06:50:10,498
of positions being fully cost recovered in the next year's

2452
06:50:10,498 --> 06:50:14,018
budget. We needed to gap this year to get there,

2453
06:50:14,018 --> 06:50:16,939
and I believe. I can't remember the exact words, but

2454
06:50:16,939 --> 06:50:19,219
I believe it was gap. But I just wanted. To

2455
06:50:19,219 --> 06:50:22,840
indicate that the full million. Is not for the service

2456
06:50:22,840 --> 06:50:27,840
delivery review. It's also modernization initiatives and setting some funding

2457
06:50:27,840 --> 06:50:32,320
aside, so that we can continue with technology enhancements over

2458
06:50:32,320 --> 06:50:37,638
the next while if we don't. Set it aside. We

2459
06:50:37,638 --> 06:50:40,758
have to either not do technology enhancements in the future

2460
06:50:40,758 --> 06:50:44,198
or raise it through taxes. So this gives us the

2461
06:50:44,198 --> 06:50:47,398
opportunity to do that. So it's not all related specifically

2462
06:50:47,398 --> 06:50:51,934
to the sdor. I'm still not sure I entirely understand.

2463
06:50:54,627 --> 06:50:57,992
Because. It's a significant amount of money. And I don't

2464
06:50:57,992 --> 06:51:01,792
recall having discussions when we were looking at the service

2465
06:51:01,792 --> 06:51:07,318
delivery review. That amounted to this figure. And my understanding

2466
06:51:07,318 --> 06:51:10,518
from the report is, should it be distributed as would

2467
06:51:10,518 --> 06:51:13,998
normally be, it'd be 20% to roads, 25% to vehicles,

2468
06:51:13,998 --> 06:51:18,678
25% buildings and facilities, 25% to municipal projects reserve fund.

2469
06:51:20,220 --> 06:51:22,714
So. I may be misunderstanding, but when I look at

2470
06:51:22,714 --> 06:51:25,594
this, it seems to me we're allocating. A million dollars

2471
06:51:25,594 --> 06:51:30,194
to the municipal projects reserves fund instead at 25% of

2472
06:51:30,194 --> 06:51:34,855
that figure. But perhaps I'm misinterpreting this. I'm open to

2473
06:51:34,855 --> 06:51:40,249
clarification on that. That's a correct interpretation. It's being put

2474
06:51:40,249 --> 06:51:45,003
there because we believe the need. For modernization is going

2475
06:51:45,003 --> 06:51:53,451
to require. Some additional funds. That. For the future. I

2476
06:51:53,451 --> 06:51:56,331
don't know if director Barto wants to add any more,

2477
06:51:56,331 --> 06:52:01,616
but I think your. Comment is exactly correct. I would

2478
06:52:01,616 --> 06:52:05,376
agree. The policy does state that the surplus should be

2479
06:52:05,376 --> 06:52:10,368
split based on the percentages. That you quoted. And I

2480
06:52:10,368 --> 06:52:18,483
have put 200,000 towards that. It was suggested that. A

2481
06:52:18,483 --> 06:52:22,603
substantial portion of the surplus be allocated to cover the

2482
06:52:22,603 --> 06:52:30,914
initiatives for the service delivery review. And the modernization, the

2483
06:52:30,914 --> 06:52:37,725
continued modernization of. Our technical area. I'm open to suggestions

2484
06:52:37,725 --> 06:52:43,636
if you would like to see it go. Otherwise. But

2485
06:52:43,636 --> 06:52:47,867
keeping in mind that if we have a problem, With

2486
06:52:47,867 --> 06:52:49,747
the service delivery, it would come back to council to

2487
06:52:49,747 --> 06:52:54,874
be funded from another source. Yeah. Sorry. Don't mean to

2488
06:52:54,874 --> 06:52:58,074
drag this out, but can you tell me what is

2489
06:52:58,074 --> 06:53:02,354
the. Current amount in the municipal projects reserve fund. If

2490
06:53:02,354 --> 06:53:04,394
we're proposing to add a million dollars. To it. What

2491
06:53:04,394 --> 06:53:08,702
is it currently standing at? I have to look that

2492
06:53:08,702 --> 06:53:13,289
up. I don't have an Andy story. A lot of

2493
06:53:13,289 --> 06:53:16,889
it is already committed to other projects. But if you

2494
06:53:16,889 --> 06:53:18,329
give me a couple of minutes, I'll see if I

2495
06:53:18,329 --> 06:53:22,678
can sign in. And sign up. I guess, generally. My

2496
06:53:22,678 --> 06:53:25,398
point is, we have many needs and we have quite

2497
06:53:25,398 --> 06:53:30,131
a few reserve funds. And I'm surprised that of this

2498
06:53:30,131 --> 06:53:34,091
recommendation to allocate the entire balance of this fiscal year

2499
06:53:34,091 --> 06:53:37,291
as surplus to one account for something that I thought

2500
06:53:37,291 --> 06:53:42,083
was already mostly costed out. I'm just kind of surprised.

2501
06:53:59,990 --> 06:54:07,670
Director brighter, do you have any idea? Of cost for

2502
06:54:07,670 --> 06:54:12,390
the modernization that we are hoping to achieve moving forward,

2503
06:54:12,390 --> 06:54:14,990
that we are putting that in. Perhaps that could help.

2504
06:54:16,724 --> 06:54:22,719
A little bit. With. Why we're putting so much into

2505
06:54:22,719 --> 06:54:29,798
that resurfone. Or even a past example. Of modernization costs.

2506
06:54:31,737 --> 06:54:36,335
Sorry. You, madam Mayor, I'm not aware of anything. Specifically

2507
06:54:36,335 --> 06:54:41,642
planned that is not currently in the capital budget. But

2508
06:54:41,642 --> 06:54:46,722
DCAO may have. Okay, Mr. Nicks, I think one of

2509
06:54:46,722 --> 06:54:52,858
the challenges. That raised our eyebrows is with the CRM.

2510
06:54:52,858 --> 06:54:55,498
We were looking for some integration with the current. Work

2511
06:54:55,498 --> 06:55:00,578
order management asset management system that would allow the end

2512
06:55:00,578 --> 06:55:03,938
of flow from end to end and we're still waiting.

2513
06:55:05,233 --> 06:55:09,439
For quotes for it, but. We have the understanding it

2514
06:55:09,439 --> 06:55:12,639
could be upwards of 200,000 for that one integration, so

2515
06:55:12,639 --> 06:55:15,319
that's why we were being cautious in putting some money.

2516
06:55:17,696 --> 06:55:24,650
One final question, then. I guess I'm Leery. Of perhaps

2517
06:55:24,650 --> 06:55:28,690
explains me. If this amount is assigned to the Municipal

2518
06:55:28,690 --> 06:55:32,130
Projects reserve fund, does not mean it is inaccessible for

2519
06:55:32,130 --> 06:55:36,848
other purposes. Should we determine other uses for this fund?

2520
06:55:38,651 --> 06:55:42,811
This revenue or is there another reserve account that is

2521
06:55:42,811 --> 06:55:48,917
general purpose where we might consider allocating? That surplus. Realizing

2522
06:55:48,917 --> 06:55:50,317
that we're going to be going through a budget process

2523
06:55:50,317 --> 06:55:56,768
fairly soon again, and we have this surplus. That may

2524
06:55:56,768 --> 06:56:02,418
play into considerations to decision making for 2025. I think

2525
06:56:02,418 --> 06:56:04,858
this is the general one. Is it the general one?

2526
06:56:06,843 --> 06:56:09,763
For example, I recall we were locked into certain uses

2527
06:56:09,763 --> 06:56:18,099
for development. Exactly. Okay, that clarifies. Then, for me, that

2528
06:56:18,099 --> 06:56:23,549
gives me more reassurance that. This isn't just been decided

2529
06:56:23,549 --> 06:56:25,509
that we're spending a million dollars on a CRM. System.

2530
06:56:27,203 --> 06:56:32,206
Okay. Thank you. Are there any. Are there any further

2531
06:56:32,206 --> 06:56:36,853
questions for this report? Then I'll call the question. All

2532
06:56:36,853 --> 06:56:44,934
in favor? And that's carried. Thank you, Director Barda. Moving

2533
06:56:44,934 --> 06:56:50,134
on to 10.2.7. And that's the capital project status report

2534
06:56:50,134 --> 06:56:55,173
as of May 31, 2024. Councilor Wright. You wanted this

2535
06:56:55,173 --> 06:57:00,251
polled. And is there a seconder, please. Councilor McDugal. Thank

2536
06:57:00,251 --> 06:57:05,571
you. And go ahead, Councilor Wright. Thank you, Madam Mayor.

2537
06:57:05,571 --> 06:57:10,000
And thanks for the. Capital reports update on what's happening.

2538
06:57:11,864 --> 06:57:14,184
In township with all the projects. As I drive around

2539
06:57:14,184 --> 06:57:16,744
my ward, I see a lot of things. Starting to

2540
06:57:16,744 --> 06:57:19,544
happen. See, Nestleton Road has got ground off and gravel

2541
06:57:19,544 --> 06:57:23,104
laid down and been being restored to a great shape,

2542
06:57:23,104 --> 06:57:25,584
but as a drive down job road, I do not

2543
06:57:25,584 --> 06:57:29,837
yet see a new bridge. I was just wondering. How?

2544
06:57:31,268 --> 06:57:34,625
The tendering is going on that. And the timeline is

2545
06:57:34,625 --> 06:57:37,865
when we'd be able to see construction started on that

2546
06:57:37,865 --> 06:57:41,825
project. If I could. Through, madam there. To acting Director

2547
06:57:41,825 --> 06:57:50,078
Fraska. Through you. Madam Mayor to the councilor. We will

2548
06:57:50,078 --> 06:57:54,760
begin mobilizing to the job road bridge. In actually the

2549
06:57:54,760 --> 06:57:57,600
second week of July. So it's coming up very quick.

2550
06:57:59,144 --> 06:58:02,264
Through our permits. We can't break ground before July 15,

2551
06:58:02,264 --> 06:58:06,385
so the preparation is going to be more of. The

2552
06:58:06,385 --> 06:58:10,025
soil and erosion control, that sort of thing. Prepping the

2553
06:58:10,025 --> 06:58:14,814
site, but they will be breaking ground very shortly. Very

2554
06:58:14,814 --> 06:58:18,054
good. Thank you. And actually, there's another one very, quite

2555
06:58:18,054 --> 06:58:19,894
close to that, too, as you just back up the

2556
06:58:19,894 --> 06:58:21,934
hill a little bit, back up to the township yard.

2557
06:58:25,159 --> 06:58:27,319
There is a project on for the rehabilitation of the

2558
06:58:27,319 --> 06:58:30,559
sand dome this year. Is that still going? Ahead, or

2559
06:58:30,559 --> 06:58:36,044
is that based on capacity? To you, madam, there. Through

2560
06:58:36,044 --> 06:58:38,244
you, Madam Mayor, to the council that is still going

2561
06:58:38,244 --> 06:58:43,109
ahead. We've. Had to rewrite the RFP based on the

2562
06:58:43,109 --> 06:58:46,109
consultant's findings. When we did examine the dome, so it

2563
06:58:46,109 --> 06:58:50,002
took a little bit more time. But I'm hoping to

2564
06:58:50,002 --> 06:58:54,080
proceed this summer. Okay. And if I could finish it,

2565
06:58:54,080 --> 06:58:56,320
does that mean there's more work to be done? Is

2566
06:58:56,320 --> 06:58:59,080
it more than just reshingling the dome? Is there structural

2567
06:58:59,080 --> 06:59:02,400
problems with that structure through you, Madam Mayor? Yes. We

2568
06:59:02,400 --> 06:59:06,880
found some concrete concerns. Some holes in the concrete that

2569
06:59:06,880 --> 06:59:11,605
we're still not sure if they can be repaired. Which

2570
06:59:11,605 --> 06:59:13,885
is why we're going to put the RFP out to

2571
06:59:13,885 --> 06:59:19,555
see. What kind of response we get from contractors and

2572
06:59:19,555 --> 06:59:22,841
what can be repaired. And then I'll have to report

2573
06:59:22,841 --> 06:59:27,548
back to council if it can't be done. Okay. Thank

2574
06:59:27,548 --> 06:59:35,094
you very much, director. Mayor. Thank you, Councilor Rock. Thank

2575
06:59:35,094 --> 06:59:41,001
you, Madamarin. Through you. To manager Frosco. I just wanted

2576
06:59:41,001 --> 06:59:43,401
to see if I could get a quick update on

2577
06:59:43,401 --> 06:59:48,508
second access. It was originally in the planned. Second axis

2578
06:59:48,508 --> 06:59:50,028
design would be wrapped up by the end of this

2579
06:59:50,028 --> 06:59:52,348
year, and hopefully we'd have shovels and ground by the

2580
06:59:52,348 --> 06:59:55,548
end of this year or spring of 2025 is the

2581
06:59:55,548 --> 06:59:58,308
last update I've gotten on the timeline. Where are we

2582
06:59:58,308 --> 07:00:01,708
at on that? Because I not heard anything. Just wanted

2583
07:00:01,708 --> 07:00:06,567
to see. So, you mad? Mayor to the councilor. We've

2584
07:00:06,567 --> 07:00:11,127
received our comments from Msifn. We are looking to set

2585
07:00:11,127 --> 07:00:13,967
up a meeting to have consultation with them to go

2586
07:00:13,967 --> 07:00:19,657
through. Some of their comments. Okay.

2587
07:00:25,368 --> 07:00:27,879
Again, though. I think we still have a lot of

2588
07:00:27,879 --> 07:00:36,063
elements, such as design. Location. Land acquisition. Soil studies, all

2589
07:00:36,063 --> 07:00:37,783
of which were supposed to be completed by the end

2590
07:00:37,783 --> 07:00:40,655
of this year. Are we on track for that? I

2591
07:00:40,655 --> 07:00:44,335
appreciate that. We got comments back from the MSiFn. But

2592
07:00:44,335 --> 07:00:49,495
that seems to be the smallest part of many, many

2593
07:00:49,495 --> 07:00:52,095
way more important things that need to be done. Not

2594
07:00:52,095 --> 07:00:54,735
that it isn't important, but we have major things still

2595
07:00:54,735 --> 07:01:00,192
outstanding. Through your matter, mayor to the councilor. I don't

2596
07:01:00,192 --> 07:01:02,432
have dates right now in terms of how we're going

2597
07:01:02,432 --> 07:01:06,489
to proceed. It's under my assumption that we're going to

2598
07:01:06,489 --> 07:01:16,182
meet with MSIfn first. To discuss. The. Different options we

2599
07:01:16,182 --> 07:01:21,497
have. For the roots. And we're going to move forward

2600
07:01:21,497 --> 07:01:30,514
after that. Mr. Cao has something to add. I think

2601
07:01:30,514 --> 07:01:34,274
councilor Rock is correct that it will not be according

2602
07:01:34,274 --> 07:01:38,394
to the original schedule. I'm convinced we'll be delayed in

2603
07:01:38,394 --> 07:01:48,105
terms of moving forward. Anything further, Councilor Rock? Yeah. I

2604
07:01:48,105 --> 07:01:53,674
appreciate that honesty. But if I look at the capital

2605
07:01:53,674 --> 07:01:57,154
projects, the budget year for second axis was 2019. We're

2606
07:01:57,154 --> 07:02:02,642
five years on. From this process. Of when it got

2607
07:02:02,642 --> 07:02:07,496
budgeted. And this has been talked about since 20 years

2608
07:02:07,496 --> 07:02:17,074
in second access. 20 years. 25 years. And to

2609
07:02:17,074 --> 07:02:23,434
the other strategic documentation and updates on strategic plan. Second,

2610
07:02:23,434 --> 07:02:27,794
access was very high on our strategic priorities, and I

2611
07:02:27,794 --> 07:02:30,494
feel as though. If we are not going to meet

2612
07:02:30,494 --> 07:02:35,510
these deadlines, we really need to figure out. The deadlines

2613
07:02:35,510 --> 07:02:39,390
and reiterate that to people who have been operating under

2614
07:02:39,390 --> 07:02:42,150
the expectation that this was going to get going later

2615
07:02:42,150 --> 07:02:46,286
this year or early next, especially. If we're wildly behind

2616
07:02:46,286 --> 07:02:48,966
those timelines because some people have been waiting for 20

2617
07:02:48,966 --> 07:02:52,607
years. For this, so I would appreciate. Us figuring this

2618
07:02:52,607 --> 07:02:57,165
out. And building. Some achievable timelines and making sure that

2619
07:02:57,165 --> 07:03:01,030
this is still moving forward. Thank you, Councilor. Councilor McDougall.

2620
07:03:05,556 --> 07:03:09,156
Sorry. Yes, thank you, Madam Mayor. Briefly, it's late. One

2621
07:03:09,156 --> 07:03:13,116
I'd like to thank. Director Barda for assisting me. I

2622
07:03:13,116 --> 07:03:18,759
asked many questions on this report earlier. In terms of.

2623
07:03:20,487 --> 07:03:23,240
I was going to sort it and just see. How

2624
07:03:23,240 --> 07:03:27,340
old our projects were. There's a lot of. Monetarily value

2625
07:03:27,340 --> 07:03:31,583
speaking wise on this project. It's a large amount in

2626
07:03:31,583 --> 07:03:34,823
the capital status report, and I think this represents a

2627
07:03:34,823 --> 07:03:37,863
lot. Of projects that we haven't seen. To your point,

2628
07:03:37,863 --> 07:03:40,503
councilor Rock, a lot of projects. That are in the

2629
07:03:40,503 --> 07:03:43,183
pipe that are budgeted to be done but are not

2630
07:03:43,183 --> 07:03:47,249
done yet. And I'm looking at Mr. Fosca and Dan

2631
07:03:47,249 --> 07:03:52,011
in here as well. And I'm appreciating how hard and

2632
07:03:52,011 --> 07:03:55,051
how difficult all of these projects are. And I'm looking

2633
07:03:55,051 --> 07:03:59,362
forward to the future. When. We have more resources that

2634
07:03:59,362 --> 07:04:02,442
we can get these projects moving. So thank you to

2635
07:04:02,442 --> 07:04:05,971
everybody for their assistance on this report and bringing. It

2636
07:04:05,971 --> 07:04:11,922
forward. Thank you, Councilor McDougall. So are there any further

2637
07:04:11,922 --> 07:04:15,468
questions or comments to this report? If not, we'll call

2638
07:04:15,468 --> 07:04:19,008
the question. All in favor? And that is carried. Thank

2639
07:04:19,008 --> 07:04:24,805
you very much. That is the end of the. For

2640
07:04:24,805 --> 07:04:30,939
this evening. And. There's no items for separate discussion, no

2641
07:04:30,939 --> 07:04:36,734
notices of motion, no new business. Any general information. Anybody

2642
07:04:36,734 --> 07:04:42,291
forgot to impart this evening? No. Okay. I don't know

2643
07:04:42,291 --> 07:04:47,645
what to score it, okay? So we'll have a motion

2644
07:04:47,645 --> 07:04:55,296
for the confirming bylaw 30 24, please. Councilor Rock, councilor

2645
07:04:55,296 --> 07:04:59,679
McDougall, all in favor? Thank you. And that is carried.

2646
07:04:59,679 --> 07:05:04,199
And a motion for adjournment. Councilor Guido. Councilor. Rock. Thank

2647
07:05:04,199 --> 07:05:11,807
you. Anyone not want to adjourn? All in favor? And

2648
07:05:11,807 --> 07:05:15,167
that's Jerry. Thank you. Thank you, everyone. Have a good

2649
07:05:15,167 --> 07:05:16,047
evening. What's left? Of it.