Council meeting on Monday, June 24, and I'd like to
call the meeting to order and ask if there is
any disclosure, pecuniary interest in nature thereof for the closed
session. That we are about to move into. Seeing none.
Then I would have a motion to move into close,
please. Councilor mcdugal. Councilor rock. Thank you.
Okay. So that concludes our closed session, and at this
point in time, we will now recess until our regular
council meeting at 630.
Good evening, everyone, and welcome to our council meeting. This
Monday, June 24, 2024. Welcome. And please join me in
a moment of personal reflection.
Thank you. Please be seated. Both of you that can.
And I'm sorry we don't have enough chairs for. Everyone.
So my apologies on behalf of our council for that.
Skugog is situated on treaty land that is steeped in
rich indigenous history. Today we acknowledge that we are gathering
on the traditional territories of the Mississaugas of Scubag? Island
First Nation. We recognize and deeply appreciate the historic, indigenous
connection to this land. And recognize the contributions First nations
may tea and Inuit peoples have made both in shaping
and strengthening this community, in particular, our province and country
as a whole. We are grateful for the opportunity to
meet here, and we thank all the generations of people
who have taken care of this land for thousands of.
Years. You can come in, but it's standing room only.
The alcohol is not a bad spot to stand either.
Okay, so at this time, I asked for a disclosure
of any pecuniary interest in. Nature thereof for the pending
agenda. Councilor McDougall. Yes, Madam mayor. I made
a declaration on GPNA council meeting in it, so I
don't. Have it right in front of me right now,
but I did enter that declaration with clerk. Thank you,
Madam Mayor. Thank you very much. Are there any other
declarations or disclosures of pecuniary. Seeing none. We'll move on
earlier today. Council met in a closed session. For. Several.
Reports. And if I could have a display of them.
The first report 3.1. Sorry. Was dealing with the committee
resignations and appointments to Sadie Advisory Committee and the appointments
to the community grants committee. Just like to say that.
The motion is before us, and if I could have
a mover and a seconder for that. Councilor Guido. Councilor
McDougall. Thank you. All in favor? And that is carried.
Thank you very much. Our second. Report. Dealt with dev
20 24 00:26 which. Was a summary of the dogs
on High Point Road. And we have just a motion.
To receive that information, and I'll have them over in
a second. Please, Councilor Leroy. Councilor rock. Thank you. All
in favor? And that is carried as well. And the
third and final one from this afternoon. Was 3.3 and
that dealt with the Magnum general contracting and township of
Skuggaugh. Minutes of settlement. And just further to that. We'll
have a council gave direction to staff. And that was
the end of our closed session. Moving right along. We'll
ask for announcements from council and then from staff. So
I'll start with. You, councilor rock. Thank you, Madam Mayor.
I had the pleasure to attend the BIA summer solstice
sidewalk sale. Unfortunately, It didn't seem to be as many
people as normal as I think a lot of people
were worried about the terrible forecast, but it was a
great event, some good bands playing and great to walk
around and see people there. I followed that up by
attending the campfire sip and enjoyment at Applewood Farms after
that. Were having a special event. In association with the
summer solstice as well. Which was a lovely event. And
again, probably. A few less people than they had originally
hoped for, based on the weather. And finally, on Sunday,
I was here in town for the roar by the
shore event. And unfortunately, same news. It has been more
well attended in the past. Some amazing vehicles there, just
absolutely gorgeous vehicles. But. I don't believe when we get
the final attendance tally that it was as well attended.
As it has been in previous times, but it was
still great to be out in the town. And seeing
some of the absolutely amazing vehicles and the dedication that
the individual. Individuals put into maintaining and refurbishing these vehicles.
And it's not a wonder that the attendance may have
been a little bit lower given the weather forecast, especially.
For. Those beautiful old cars. But thank you on behalf
of myself and those of us that couldn't. Attend these
events. For attending on our behalf, thank you. Councilor wright.
Thank you, madam mayor. On Saturday, I had the pleasure
of attending the amateur radio operators day at Purplewood Conservation
area. Ham radio operators are able to communicate. With other
amateur radio operators around most of the world. With a
system that bounces signals. Off the ionosphere, as opposed to
the traditional line of sight method of radio communications, amateur
radio. Operators can be called on in times of emergencies
and disasters for essential communication to another systems like the
Internet and telephone communications fail. It was a very informative
visit there. And a big shout out. And thanks to
the amateur radio clubs that put this day on, thank
you, madamor. Thank you, councilor. I believe a relative of
yours. Was one of the. Perhaps not in today. 's.
Time, but previously. And I'm pretty sure they didn't deal
with Internet back then. Did they? Yes. Thank you, ma'am.
That is correct. My uncle was a ham radio operator,
and he. Was a communications officer in the marine during
the war, so I still have his mobile AM radio.
So it was a very interesting day for me to
attend. Very thought provoking. Thank you. Thank you, councilor. Are
there any further announcements from council councilor McDougall? Thank you,
Madam mayor. With July 1. Coming soon. Of course we've
got candidate. But that's not what I'm. Here to mention.
We have a blue box program and is changing. To
the extended producer responsibility program. And as well, we have
an enhanced green bin program. All the details are on
the region website, but I do know, for instance, diapers
are now going to be able to be placed in
the green bin as before. They weren't able to, so.
Amongst many other changes. So please have a look on
the Germ region website as well. I believe they have.
Facebook posts on it as well. Thank you, Madam Mayor.
Thank you, councilor. And. I would just. Actually, I think
Councilor Guido has an announcement about this afternoon. Thank you.
Madam Mayor. We would like to offer our congratulations to
Marwan's global bistro. For celebrating their 10th anniversary. Anyone who
has had the pleasure of having a meal there knows
that it is quite. The complement to our downtown. So
if you are able to stop in and say hello
at some point this week and offer them your congratulations
as well. Thank you, madam. Here. Thank you, councilor. And
moving on to staff. We'll start with you, Rob Froska.
Thank you, Madam Mayor. This Saturday, June the 29th, the
Ontario Federation of Anglers and Hunters will be hosting the
free boat washing event at the township's old rail boat
launch in Port Perry. The purpose for this event is
to help promote the. Invading species awareness program, also known
as ISAb. The. Event conducts public engagement and outreach to
educate the invasive species. And their associated ecological and economical
impacts. ISOP staff will help or will be providing educational
resources and speaking with the public to increase awareness on
how to mitigate the risk. Or spread invasive species like
zebra muscles and asian carbs. I thought we'll be providing
a free boat cleaning service using a pressure washer to
disinfect watercrafts as they exit the water. Thank you very
much. Mr. Frosco and moving on to director Bowers. Thank
you, madam Mayor. Scubar has experienced a few severe storms
already this season and more can be expected. Emergencies can
happen quickly, without warning, at any time of day and
in any season during an emergency, you may have no
electrical power or be asked to evacuate. Having an emergency
plan and. Home kit in place will assist you and
your family to be prepared and survive on your own.
For at least 72 hours. Keep a kid at home,
work and in your car. Your kit should be easy
to carry and portable, such as a rubber tote or
suitcase. Check contents twice a year to ensure freshness of
food and water. Have a crank radio on hand. Portable
lights, extra power, bank to keep phones charged, first aid
kit and much more. A list of contents for your
kit and tips on how to shelter in place are
available at Ontario, Ca. Emergencypreparedness emergency preparedness starts at home.
Make sure you have a kitten place and a plan
to keep your family safe. Thank you, Director Ballist. Are
there any further announcements from staff? I would just be
remiss if I didn't mention. Skugog's candidate. Canada Day celebrations.
They start on Monday, July 1 at 1030 and I
hope that everyone who can will come out and celebrate
the vets in fets. Parade and then join us all
at Palmer park. It's a great day and it's full
of festivities for family. Families of all ages. So please
join us in celebrating. Thank you. Okay, so if that
is it for presentations and delegations, then I would like
to move on. To. A. Sorry by matthew
hare, senior manager of bdo canada llp. To present the
very exciting consolidated financial statements. I told him that you
guys were all here for that, so. He's really psyched
up for it. So go ahead, Matthew. Sorry.
Thanks for that. Good evening, mayor and councilors. Thank you
for having me here to present the audited financial statements
for the corporation of the township of Scoogog. The financial
statements are intended to report on the financial position of
the township as of December 31, 2023 to ensure accountability
and transparency. And to assist the township with long term
and strategic planning. Okay. So our first slide here just
deals with our audit report. We're currently working on the
wording of the report this year, as there is a
qualification in the report. The report will still note that
the financial statements are presented fairly. In all material respects,
the financial position of the township. The difference this year
is we have qualified the report over the scope limitation,
over the accuracy. Of the asset retirement obligation. Over the
cost estimates used in the determination of the new asset
retirement obligation liability for the new accounting standards this year.
The township engaged a specialist to identify and assess the
potential asset retirement obligations within the township to meet the
new standard, the special supplied valuations to the liability that
could not be verified through audit procedures which led to
the qualification. As noted, this does not impact the overall
opinion on the report. Next slide. Our next part of
our report talks about our responsibility, so our responsibilities to
obtain reasonable assurance about whether the financial statements are free
from material misstatement, either through fraud or error or both.
Conduct our audit in accordance with. Canadian generally accepted auditing
standards identify and assess risks and material statements. Obtain sufficient
and appropriate audit evidence to provide a basis for our
opinion. Obtain an understanding of internal controls relevant to the
audit. And evaluate the appropriateness of accounting policies, estimates and
presentation of the financial statements and disclosures. Next slide, please.
So, turning to the statement of financial position. So the
consolidated statement of financial position highlights four key figures that
just together describe. The financial position of the township. So
the first is the cash resources, the second is the
net. Financial position. For assets. The third is the non
financial assets used to provide services, and the fourth is
the accumulated surplus. This year. The financial assets of the
township are 48,408,000. Overall, the assets have increased about $4
million from. 2022. It's mainly due to an increase in
cash and investments of approximately 3.3 million, in addition to
an increase in receivables of approximately $828,000 mostly due to
the reconstruction of the Balsam street and reconstruction for the
skating oval. Which were funded by CCVF and the Tourism
Relief Fund grant, respectively. Offset by decrease in $600,000 for
the taxes receivable due to significant supplementaries near the end
of the 2023 being receivable. Next slide. Sorry. So the
next slide talks about are the net financial assets which
form a part of the financial position and is a
difference between the financial assets and the liabilities. The non
financial assets are normally used to deliver services and are
primarily comprised of tangible capital. Assets. Overall, the net financial
assets of the township are 20.1 million, which is an
increase of 2.6 million from the prior year. The changes
in liabilities this year were mainly in the deferred revenue,
which was an increase in 2 million. Which was due
to funding received for development charge levies. Specifically for the
Lake scuga. Enhancement construction and the Palmer park washroom. There's
also the new asset retirement obligation liability that's on the
statement as well. And that's offset by a decrease in
the deposits. The share of 400,000. Next slide, please. Your
statement of your consolidated financial position also includes your non
financial assets. Which. Is overall consists of your capital outlays
for the year, your disposals in the air. And your
amortization of your tangible capital assets. This year, there was
an increase in the tangible capital assets in total by
1.9 million. Overall, the tangible capital assets increased as a
result of rotary visitations. The Lake Scoogog enhancement. The old
rail lane, multi use trail. There were no significant asset
disposals, and the remainder, I believe it was about $4
million. Was in amortization of previous tangible capital assets. Next
slide, please. The next statement in our financial statements is
the consolidated statement of operations. So what we have here,
it just sort of shows the makeup of revenue for
the last year. So 59% of your total revenues consist
of taxation, revenue which. Was decreased 7% from 66% from
the prior years. That's just due to increases. In other
areas. The grants have decreased to 1% from 11% in
the prior year. User charges have increased in the current
year, as well as some other revenue, which mainly. Is
the development church, and there's the casino revenue, which has
decreased as a total of 1% of your total revenues.
Next slide, please. The next slide here shows a year
over year expense analysis for the past five years by
department. The majority of the. Department expenses remain consistent year
over year as outlined there. There is not usually much
change in. These, as everything gets allocated in the same
sort of buckets every year. Next line there. Our next
slide there. Sorry. So this chart here. Shows your overall
revenue and expenditures, as well as your annual surplus and
deficit for the preceding this year and the preceding four
years. Overall revenue has fluctuated based on grant revenues, which
fluctuate based on current projects that have been funded. The
revenues have increased $3 million from the previous year, and
the expenses have increased 1.9 million. So it shows an
increase in your overall surplus. The township has an overall
sur. Surplus in each of the last five years. A
portion of that relates to operating, but other parts of
that relate to capital and what we call accounting purpose.
Revenues. After that. We have the summary of significant accounting
policies. So the only significant changes there, there's two. Changes
this year. In the notes to the financial statements. The
first one is. Financial instruments, which is a new note
that's required this year. That just outlines the various financial
instruments. That the municipality has. Mostly the cash and investments.
They have to be staged, and we have to show
the types of risks. That the township has, and it
mitigates for each area of those risks. And then the
other one is the asset retirement obligation. As I mentioned
before. Other than that, the notes remain fairly similar from
previous years. One more. Happy to answer.
Any questions? Thank you very much, Matthew. And are there
any questions to the presenter? Councilor McDougall. Thank you, madam
Mayor. I did have a question on slide 9.1, I
think it was. With regards to revenues. I noted that
they were up significantly this year. And I think if
I had heard you correctly, I think the idea is
that projects that are not completed as of yet but
are scheduled are put back in as revenue. Is that
correct? And that's what would possibly ski the higher. Sorry.
No. So projects that are under construction. Typically show up,
so it depends on what your project is. So if
you get grant funding for specific projects, that typically gets
recognized in the revenue when the expenses are incurred. So
if you have significant projects going on, that's when that
would get recognized in terms of revenue. The other part
of that is your development charges. So your development charges
sit as deferred. Revenue on the balance sheet until you
use them towards specific projects. And so that depending on
what projects are going on in the year, can increase
the revenues, depending on how much you take out of.
Your deferred revenue or your obligatories. Okay. And then further
through, madam. Is the increased revenues for the year. We
had a significant amount of surplus there. Are the increased
revenues for the year, mostly development charges. Then? I can
tell you exactly what it is in just a second.
There is a fair amount. Of increase in revenue from.
The development charge. Let me just see. Some of it
is a part to the increase in levy. Some of
it is due to the increase in grant, but there's
not much there. I'm just looking through to double check.
So there is quite a bit in there from interest
revenue, which would be just due to the increase in
interest rates this year. That was about $700,000 compared to
the prior year. There was a little bit of increase.
In terms of. Your other revenues. So contributions from others.
Mainly for the Balson street reconstruction. There's contributions from others,
so not internally, but externally. There's contributions. That was about
a million dollars there. So there's about a million five
from your increase. From. Those contributions. Very good. That's all.
Thank you, Madam Mayor. Thank you for answering questions. Thank
you, councilor. McDougall, before we go further with any further
questions. Could I have a mover? In a second. Could
we bring forward report 10.2 point. Ten and I'll ask
for a mover in a second or so that questions
can be directed to both Matthew and the report. Councilor
Guido. Councilor Wright. Thank you. Any questions to the report?
Or to further questions to Matthew. Seeing none. We'll just
ask that. The. Financial statements. Be received.
And be approved and that the presentation. From Matthew harrisived.
All in favor? Thank you. And that is carried. Thank
you very much. You can state that you don't need
to.
Okay. So at this time. We have a presentation. Actually,
a delegation from Mr. Powell. Mr. Powell, are you in
the room? There you are. Please come forward.
Welcome. And you can start whenever you're ready. And you
have five minutes. Thank you. Madam Mayor, with respect, some
housekeeping. I was here in February. And there was a
commitment for Mr. Nick through to Mr. Heritage at that
February council meeting, the public consultations for revised zoning would
happen in the spring. I live in the wilds of
Blackstock and haven't heard any public meetings. I wondered if
there was an update. Is there anything further that you
want to add? We'll answer the questions at the end.
Of your presentation, if you're okay with that. I've made
note of that one. Okay. Thank you. Today, the federal
minister of housing, MP Fraser, was quoted as saying that
municipalities that freeze development charges can assess government funding for
infrastructure development. And I read the May 28, 2024 Scoogog.
By law, number 1624 does not appear to freeze development
charges. Is the required freeze on development charges not applicable
to this revised bylaw, or is this a provincial matter
and doesn't apply. Okay. Thank you. And anything further? The
last thing, most important part is my wish to ask
council to consider awarding energy stock compliance. Building practices. My
suggestion is a reduction on permit costs and property taxes
for energy style compliance structures. And you could take it
one step further. And provide. Incentives for using alternative energy
sources, wind and solar, to be considered to qualify for
such reductions and I have a quote for the Natural
Resources Canada energy efficiency. Canada program. Which I'm following as
closely as I can. Okay. Thank you, Madam Mayor. Thank
you, Mr. Power. We appreciate you coming forward. And who
would like to take Mr. Powell's first question with regard
to. The public consultation, I believe that had to do
with the housing bylaws and that in February. Director Heritage.
Thank you, Madam Mayor. The additional residential unit issue was.
Initially addressed by council back in a staff report back
in November of 2023. And one of the recommendations that
came out of the resolution from council that came out
of that meeting was. To prepare a draft OPA and
ZBA to implement additional residential units and present that draft.
To the housing committee. Those drafts have been presented to
the housing committee. They came forward in May of this
year. We've received comments back from. The housing committee, and
we're reviewing those comments now. We intend to. Revise, where
required, the OPA and the ZBA, and bring those to
a public meeting. In the fall. Thank you. Moving on.
The second one was about. The announcement about freezing dcs.
Ms. Hendry or director. Are you familiar with that? I
know it was an early. It was. Just announced today.
So, director Barda. Anybody, okay? So I put you on
tasks to find that out for me and for Mr.
Powell. And if we could advise him when we have
that answer. And the council energy start building compliance. Personally,
I think that's kind of a good idea. Councilor McDougall,
you wanted. To comment on that. Thank you, Madam Mayor.
Thank you for your delegation, Mr. Powell. The region of
Durham has a really good program called Durham Greener Homes,
which is open up for retrofits and deep retrofits and
for rebates, and I know one. Of the things, and
I haven't had a chance to look at it myself,
but heat. Pumps have been very popular in being able
to. Cut people's energy bills overall, and I know that
there's been many that have applied for rebates on the
heat pump installations and seen great success for that. So
personally, I'm interested in looking into it, but I haven't
had a chance yet. But. The information for Durham Greener
Homes is on the Durham region website. Thank you. Thank
you, Councilor McDougall. And if I'm correct, they do offer.
Some. Inspections and so on and so forth. For people
interested in doing that, but I still would like to
just speak. To the energy Star building compliance and the
use of. With respect to incentives and use of wind
and solar and so on and so forth. I'm not
sure. That. It can be. A reduction. In taxes or
anything like that, but. I would task a staff when
they have time. I'll qualify when you have time. To
perhaps consider what we could potentially look at as a
move forward. Thank you. Are there any further comments or
questions to Mr. Powell? Seeing none. Thank you very much
for your time and thank you for coming forward.
Okay, at this time. The clerk wants to confer.
Okay, first of all, I would like a mover and
a second that Mr. Powell's delegation be received, councilor. Rock.
Councilor coin. Thank you. All in favor? Thank you very
much. We do have a presentation. From avenue properties and
then. We have a number of delegations, and we've had.
Some last minute delegations as well. That will be in
the interest of transparency, will be put up. As well
as we've had numerous. Additional correspondence that came in late
that is also going to be part of. This evening.
's agenda, results or minutes? Anyway. At this time. Could
we have a mover? In a second? That we waive
the rules of procedure to allow for delegations. Councilor McDougall.
Councilor Leroy. All in favor? And that is carried. Okay,
so, moving on, at this time, we will invite. The
presenters from avenue properties to come forward.
Welcome. And thank you for coming. I remind you, we
have. A I remind you that. Really? You have five
minutes this evening, given the length of our agenda. So
as best you can. Thank you very much. Just a
moment. We need your mic on. There it is now.
Thank you very much, your honor. And thank you, everybody.
I recognize many people. From many of the meetings we
held. Thank you for coming out tonight. I know we'll
have a lot to talk about in question, period. I'm
not going to say anything about the project other than
the fact that we were given instructions on December 4
of last year. To go away, do a homework. And
go through a process for the project. I think everyone
knows the project, so I don't. Need to speak about
it here anymore. We produced every bit of. Anything that
we did. In this book, which has been posted online,
every technical report, every meeting with every stakeholder and we
went through a whole process. On the expectation from December
that we were going to be working towards a community
infrastructure, housing accelerator. And as everyone knows, the government pulled
that out partway through the process, which is why we
have. Some changes to astron Mzo, which is a minister's
zoning order. I simply want. To say that. A minister's
own order is to set the parameters of development within
the terms of the official plan which is already in
place and preceded us. We came to port pay with
an official plan in place. That said, this is Greenfield,
this is urban area, this is settlement area, and it
needs intens. Intensification. And we simply looked at the overall
picture, the objectives, and that's how we've developed this project
and brought it forward, and I think it speaks for
itself. I was trying to relax on the weekend. Generics
is a very important meeting. It's a very important meeting
for us. It's. A very important meeting for you, for
stakeholders, for all of us. Your honor. And I bought
a wonderful story. Of Merkel. A biography of her. I
should tell everybody I spent five years. In East Germany.
When the wall came down, I won the. Largest contest
in the world to build refugee housing, 3600 homes to
be delivered, and I went. There, and I did that,
and I lived in East Germany, so I'm very sympathetic
and I admire Angela Merkel, and Merkel said, They're talking
about her being a common, analytical person. And. Organization said
to her before she was given a speech, he said,
well, couldn't you put a little more poetry in your
speech. Turned to him and said, Because she was a
physicist. And what she said was. I think things through.
Starting at the end. From the desired outcome. And work
backwards. And she said, What matters is what will be
achieved in two years. Not when we read in the
papers tomorrow. And so I'm just ending my presentation to
say you're honoring counsel. It's. A great project. I apologize
to many people who've raised the issue about density and
so on. Look, it's the official plan. It's what the
town for all those years they worked to make that
official plan. Said that wants and needs to meet the
needs going forward, and we're responding to that. And that's
it. And I'm looking forward and I hope council will
see fit. To ask the minister to just set the
parameters so that we can go on the road of
going for environmental approvals and every other ruling regulation that
needs to be. Met over the coming years to get
a project actually built. Thank you very much. Thank you.
Before I move. If there are any questions to Mr.
Methurst. Councilor rock. Thank you for being here this evening.
As you can see, it's fairly well tended, so a
lot of interesting things. I know you only have a
certain time, but I think everyone would benefit from having.
Some, I guess, clarity around exactly what this is and
what is before us tonight. So can you. Be very
explicit. What exactly does the MZ? Mzato do why is
being requested? And. What does it not do? Because. There
may be some misunderstanding of. Granting the mzto. Would do
and not do within the confines of the municipality. Sure
the purpose of the MZ? In the big picture is.
To. Thank you. The purpose of an MZO in the
bait picture is to settle the issue. As to what
kind of units. Single family, Maltese, townhouses. Can be built
and how many of them you can build. The purpose
of an mZO is to take away. Lots of appeal
process of people who will just say, well, I'm going
to object to it on principle of objecting and then.
It's a one, two, three year process going through Ontario
and tribunal meetings on things just on the issue of
density. The density is settled within the parameters of the
official plan, and so what the government tried to do
is to say that if you're within the four square
corners of an official plan. You have to be able.
To move ahead without many impediments. What the Mz O
does not do. Or we're not asking for it. You
can ask, but we didn't ask. And we specifically have
said. The resolution we're requesting of counsel. We're not asking
for any special consideration. We're only asking that you ask
the minister to settle the size of the project, and
we're not asking for any dispensation from any environmental study,
any application for license. Any application to the Trent Severin.
Any application to Parks Canada, anything to do with court
a conservation, all of those things. Are a process that
needs to be followed and will be followed. And if
there is an environmental impediment that can't be overcome or
met. Then there'll be no project. It's simply to set
the parameters, and for us, We cannot even design. A
waste treatment plant to take forward to the minister of
environment. Until we know what we're planning for. So it
costs hundreds of thousands of dollars to do the background,
to do the engineering study, and we're asking town council
to fix the parameters so that we can spend our
money. Make the specifications. Give them to the lake stewards,
give them to court the conservation and everyone. Else and
say, okay, can we approve this? And I assure you,
I can't assure, but. We've given reports in the study
and they're all online. We went to the best experts
we can find. We ask those experts, is this feasible?
They've all said yes. We said, please put those parameters
in writing. They're in writing. They're online. They're there for
you. To see. We're not asking anyone to give us
any environmental approval. We're just asking for us to have
the parameters of the project so that. We can design
it and submit it. And that's what we're asking. And
just to say to her worship, who knows? The resolution
we've asked for. The wording says not asking for any
relief of any issue from the minister. Just tell us,
can we? Build four and five story buildings? Can we
build townhouses? Can we build single family homes? Can we
put a health care center there, which is a commercial
operation, not just residential. That's what we're asking. I hope
I asked your question. Yeah, that was great. So further
to that. I guess. If we were to vote in
favor and whatever that may be, can you describe a
little bit about what the next steps will be, because.
I think again. There may be some lack of clarity
on. What support, or lack thereof, of the MZTO would
actually do what those next steps are. So what would
be the next step after this? In this process. Well,
if council sees fit to pass an order to ask
the minister. To consider granting a minister's zoning order. Then
the briefing book that we've prepared just needs to be
finalized off to be updated. And then it goes to
the minister's office and the minister and his planners and
his advisors look at everything. They look to see if
the homework is done and look to see if. They
will give an order saying. Okay? You can build those
kinds of homes, and that's your density. And it's 100%
in the hands of the ministry. And my understanding is
it all goes and they do it all by themselves.
I don't. Believe. There's delegations from anyone. I don't believe
we make a delegation, I think. It's simply an ask.
And you present the evidence to the minister's office. So
the MZ owes that have been delivered so far. For
example, for a hospital. For example, new buildings. There's a
recent one in Niagara Falls, typically within the four square
corners of an official plan like ours is. This is.
And the minister decides whether it's. Useful or not. To
give the minister's zoning order, and all we're asking for
is the density. Right. And further. Further through you, madam.
There. So while the minister is doing that deliberation. The
minister would still require all of the necessary. Assessments to
be done, environmental assessments, public consultations, things of that nature.
They will still take all of those into consideration as
they go through that process before they make a final
decision is that correct. Yes, and because we're not asking
for anything other than settling the density and the type.
Of units. We're not asking for environmental approvals. We're not
asking for road approvals. We're not asking for any of
those things. The minister can issue the zoning order and
the minister can attach whatever conditions they choose to. So.
If, for example, There are community stakeholders that feel strongly
nothing stops a community stakeholder for reaching out to the
minister and saying you ought to include this obligation. I'm
clear about it. We're not asking for relief of anything.
We're only asking for the density and type of units.
That can be built at the property. And just my
final question through you, Madam Mayor. So. This would not
even if you were granted MZo, there's still a very
long path. Ahead of you. Even after you get that
MZO and you will still be required to come. Back
to council to get a site plan approval and approval
of subdivision. Is that correct? Yes. That's correct. And I
know. That if we're answering questions later, we do have.
Our expert. Various consultants here, and I know that the
planning consultants have prepared a chart and a list of
all the approval things you have to ask for, but
correct, you still have to get all the approvals from
the town, the building approval, the roads, the layout, the
site plan. All the provincial things like. Ministry of the
Environment to approve that. You're going to use recycle water
to flush toilets. All of that has to be approved,
and all of that is in a separate approval. Process.
And all of it happens afterwards. So I know I
said my final question, but one more very quick one.
So just to be. Clear. This would not be giving
you cart blanche to start developing this. You will be
back before us. For us to make any final decisions
once we've seen the totality of evidence. That's being pulled
together from the list that you'll have for us who
evaluate. A fulsome design. And all of the environmental impacts
prior to a shovel going in the ground. Is that
correct? Yes. That's correct. Thank you. Thank you, councilor. Councilor
Clay. Thank you, Madam Mayor. Mr. Methurst. If you are
granted the Mz O tonight. And. It's in. Concentrated on
density and housing development. Does that MZo z o give
you the ability to appeal and expand that scope? Not
to my knowledge. And in any event, The request is
that the minister gives the MZ O and the minister
if the minister gives. It to us. The minister may
not, we don't know. But if the minister does give.
It, it just sets the. Density and. The type of
housing and. It's not appealable. Which means we can't ask
for anything more either. We can't change our mind and
say we want this. That's the fixed zoning. It can't
change. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, council coin. Are there
any further comments or questions from anyone? Councilor Leroy. Thank
you. Madamaran through you to Mr. Medhurst. Thank you. For
the voluminous amount of information that you've provided. Within the
document. And as you have repeated tonight, the sole purpose
of the MZTO request is to settle density and unit
type mix, all of which are within the parameters of
the township. Of skewog official plan. So I'm not entirely
sure I understand. Why the need for the Mz O.
And my concern is if it's really just about the
density. There's a process to achieve that. And my thought
or concern is. If a density is just given. Without
any further study, particularly with regard to environmental considerations. Given
this site has many concern. Concerning constraints. What would happen
if you were approved for 600 units? But when environmental
reports come back saying you have to have greater setbacks
from the shoreline, You have to defer construction or prevent
construction on certain sensitive areas. What happens to that density
if the density cannot be achieved within a reduced scale
of. Developable land. This is not clear to me. Well,
my understanding is that. If it's not buildable within the
parameters that are set, then you can't. Build it, and
we're only asking. We're sticking in the four square corners
of the height rules that are set out. In the
official plan. We're not asking for relief. We're not asking
for more. We're just asking. For the density. One of
the things that. People get a bit confused on. If
I have a 10,000 square foot building. It could be
ten apartments at 1000 each. Also could be 20 apartments
that are 500 sqft each. So because the way planning
works in this township. It's not by the floor. The
total floor space. It's by number. Of units. So we're
willing to build attainable housing, meaning smaller housing. So we've
expressed in the report, we're thinking of 700, 750 square
foot two. Bedroom, two bathroom apartments for most. Of the
development. So that's just more apartments. If we would build
a 1500 square foot. Three bedroom apartment, it would be
half the number of units. So we don't know the
mix yet. We're trying to just create the flexibility. So,
to be frank, we're trying to get the parameters so
we can go to those. Design. And if it was
not achievable, that question, you wouldn't be able to build
it. And. We believe, because we worked within the core
setbacks that they gave before for the plan of subdivision
that is approved a 30 meters setback. We respected that,
and the architects believe we can. Get the density, but
it may be the project ends up 510 apartments or
400, and. 80. We don't know. We're just trying to.
Create an envelope that makes sense. And we need a
certain amount, we need a certain size. To be able
to put in the technology we want to put in.
We want to put in. Wastewater treatment that is an
a septic tank that is better for the environment that
we can take the heat out to make cheaper heating
for the buildings, like geothermal. So. This technology. Psychic cruise
ship. When you build a cruise ship, you put the
technology in. You need to know. What you're building, and
you need to know the technology you can use. That's
what we're trying to do here. I understand the concept.
And what concerns me is the math. So partly what
you're requesting, the MZ four. According to your documentation, is
to secure financing. If you don't know that, you can't.
Actually build what you're proposing to build. You can't get
financing. Well, we're of the view that we can build.
We did a proposed site plan. It's in the MZ
O book. We show you. A block plan. We show
where houses are along Capsule harbor, where townhouses are behind.
Where these small buildings, which are four to five stories.
In a block of 24 apartments for each one. We're
sure that will all fit there. So there's a lot
of land there. The whole site is 87 acres. There's
62 acres on the land we're looking at. And the
density is actually medium density in the hole. We're not
asking for high. Density, which is in the official plan,
is a high density possibility here. If I may, I'm
fully supportive of increasing density. In our urban area. We
have to stop building single family million plus houses on
wells and septic. However. In this case, I feel the
card is a little bit before the horse, because when
I look at the comments you receive from corporate conservation.
There's unstable land. It's a class one wetland. It's provincially
significant wetland. There's lakeshore issues, there's erosion risk. It's on
a floodplain. I mean, if you hard pressed to imagine
a more difficult site. If this were right in the
central town, it would be fabulous. And maybe there's an
opportunity to put. Consider. Honestly, I don't know that the
center of town people would feel the same as we.
Spoke. We're only 2.1 km from here. From. This office.
And the site was approved, it could have. 20, 15,000
square foot mansions. We realized that there's a lot of
privileged houses. Just north of us, and they're big houses,
and the site already has a site plan. And a
plan of subdivision for 20 of those houses. Each one
can be 30% coverage according to the current. Existed site
plan that the town of Port Perry has issued, the
scubong has issued. So you're trying to make it more
effective, and we think that smaller units and apartments are
better, and we think it's needed. The town of Port
pay has 80% of its housing stock in single family
homes. The average community in Ontario is 54%. This is
a town that's all big homes or homes or single
family and people. Have to move out because they can't
find places to stay in the community. When you like
my age. I'm 73. I'm downsizing, I'm not upsizing, and
I like to stay within a couple of kilometers of
my friends and where I live. There is a whole
community in Canterbury commons. Wonderful community, 320 or 60 homes.
But people. In the neighborhood were legal. This project next
door is a great project for that, and they're going
to like it. And a small grocery store so they
can get food nearby. A small cafe. It works. I
believe it's the right project at the right time. One
further question, okay? From the people in the chamber unless
you are speaking directly, please. Remain respectful and
listen to what the speakers have to say. Thank you.
Councilor Laroy, do you have anything further? Yes, madam. Through
you to Mr. Medhurst. I want to acknowledge your analysis
of our housing situation. I think you're absolutely correct. However,
an mzido is, in my view, the last resort. And
I really wish that more studies could be undertaken to
confirm the density required for this project. To be financially
viable actually is viable. You begin with a curious quote
from Angela Merkel, who I also admire, that you focus
on. What will be achieved in two years. You're actually
asking for something tomorrow instead of going. Through the process
that will result in something, maybe in two years. There
is a process for any kind of development. And it's
pretty well understood by everybody, and I realize it's going
to take time. But sometimes time is needed so that
mistakes aren't made. We have examples of mistakes all around
us when people jump. Into the 11th hour of process,
which can begin at 01:00. I think the MZTO is
a little bit difficult to advance at the start of
a project personally, but I do understand. Your concerns. Well,
if I just may reply to say I've been personally
working on this. It's been two years. We've been engaged
now one and a half years in the process to
get to today's. Meeting. If we don't have. A settled
density, which we hope the minister will give will be
another two years, probably settling density. Because anybody with $129
can file an appeal to force everything to the Ontario
land tribunal. So. We'll be two years before density settled,
and then we'll be the next two. Years for all
the environmental reports. So if you're thinking like Angla Merkel,
where do you want to be in two years. If
we get the density settled, it's going to take us
two years for. The environmental reports. If we get them
signed off and if they're done. So it's. A long
process. And at 73, I'd like to see shovels in
the ground when I'm 75, and I'd like to see
people being able to move in when I'm 77. I'd
like to maybe be one of these people. I just
say it's a long process. It's not hasty. It's not.
Haste makes waste. Within two years, we've had a lot
of consultation. We've had guidance from planning the department and
many others, and we've met. With hundreds of people in
the community. We're not all in agreement. But. Everybody knows
the issues housing needed. There are two reports in the
online, there are two reports in this Mz O book
about two case studies. One. Is the Dockside Green and
Victoria Harbor. 1.3 million sqft all on its own. Sewage
system and Netherlands in New York, that 20 year old
building, which is still in the top ten. Most energy
efficient buildings in the US. That building is 293 apartments.
It takes a certain size to afford the technology. And
that's why I didn't want to build 20 big houses
with 20 septic tanks. It just offended me. And I
take no offense to anybody who owns a big house.
With a septic. I get it, but I don't want
to be building that new. Our company doesn't want to
build that, so that's why we're asking. For some size.
To ford the technology to do it better. Thank you.
Are there any further questions from anyone else? I just
have one. My question is. Should
the mseto be granted. Should the density be? A minimum.
That you could move forward. With through an MZTO say
they granted you 500 units, and yet through all the
environmental issues through all. This studies, so on and so
forth. It's determined that only 300. Units? Could be. Is
there a minimum where. It would become not feasible to
move forward. In the project. It's hard for me to
answer that with a yes or no or a simple
number. Because the issue is if I build two apartments
of 600 sqft versus one apartment of 1200. Sqft where
are we in this? It's about what mix and the
size and type. Of uni. Units. So we're asking for
600 units for some flexibility. If 600 units doesn't make
sense. We're not going to build it if we. Still
have to go to a bank to finance it. We
have so much work in future to get the project
to reality. My work is just starting. If we have
the density. It's very challenging. We've been told that you
can only sell 100 new homes a year in Fort
Perry. They're saying to me. It's like there are many
challenges. So you need a certain scale of size to
afford the technology we're proposing to put in. The way
those with Durham region servicing Dorm region has said it's.
In lighting, director of development for the town knows it
that there are no solars planned for. Castle Harbor. Until.
2051. So if we don't. Do different technology in a
better way or different technology. Nothing's going to happen there
until. 2051. That's just the way it is. We're proposing
to do modern, great technology, invented in Canada, used for
20 years in New York city. And do it better
than. Region is doing the better quality and we want
to recycle the water to flush the toilet. Why should
we buying expensive portable water and wash it on a
toilet? 30% of water. Use. Is total use. Like, it's
just stupid. And so many people around the world are
recycling. It's the law in Australia. That's what we want
to do. That's what we're trying to do here. It's
a really environmentally good project. Outcome and people you're going
to like what's built. You go to Friday harbor. You
see what a lovely community is? A lovely community and
it will be much liked and loved when it's up
and we're sensitive builders. Okay, thank you very much. So
if there are no further questions. Sorry, councilor mcdougall.
Mayor, is this the only opportunity to ask Mr. Medhurst
questions? Yes, I would say so. Okay. Thank you. I'll
continue. Thank you, Mr. Methurst, for your presentation. And thank
you for your interest. In Porpe Perry in our community,
I do have some questions. Some on the brief, but
not so much, but some others as well. Just a
question in terms of the brief. There was one thing
I came across, and I just was looking for some
clarification. What is an underwater lands reclamation process. It has
come to pass. That when we started to look at
the land. We found that, and we believe that, in
fact, the land footprint is much bigger than shows on
the plans and the plan of subdivision that was approved
for the houses. We. Love the view that approximately 25
acres. Underwater and Lake Scubog, actually. Was. Owned by it.
And so, after a year and a half of research,
we've come to the conclusion that that's correct. And. We've
applied to the province. To certify our boundary that. This
was. Buyer the land. But it belonged to all land
and it was flooded and it should be properly. Belonged
to the site. And thus far it appears where 100%
correct and we've applied for it. And if it comes
to pass that the province certifies the boundary, it would
mean that we would have some ability to do. A
bit more on the waterfront. Subject to the approval of
Trendsaveren, subject to the approval of Parks Canada, subject to
the approval of corporate conservation, subject to environmental assessment. All
of those issues. We would have some old attitude to
maybe do as you're doing in the town here. To
try and augment. Part of your waterfront. So that's why
we've applied for that. And that's? Why we mentioned it
in the book, so that you understand what we're applying
for. Okay, thank you. Thank you for that. Further through
you, Madam Mayor. Just in terms of consultation. With First
nations community. And I know that your lawyer had sent
in a letter with regards to consultations to first nations
communities. It appears that. You've had. Several reach out to
Msifn. To have comment from them back, but they haven't
commented very often or very frequently or very fervorishly. Does
this equal meaningful conversation with First nations communities? Is this
enough? For us as council to put stock in. Well,
I'd like to answer that by saying that. We have
asked many times. And. If the other side chooses not
to engage in answers, there's not much we can do.
About it. And. There is no obligation. To conclude consultations,
but we've made attempts and we're trying to do it.
On the record. The issue was we were asked to
sign a nondisclosure agreement. Which we felt. Was not right
for the project because we have so many organizations we're
working with and. We want to be transparent with all
of them, and we were asked to provide. Financial capacity,
which meant to pay for studies, to study our studies.
And in many cases, for example, Councilor Loy hired two
environmental firms, not just one. We hired two because. We
knew this would be an issue. I just didn't want
to pay for a fair. Environmental firm to report on
the work of the other two. So we said, no,
we wouldn't. Provide financial capacity. And we said, no, we
wouldn't sign an NDA, and that's become a block. However.
Our doors open. We want to discuss issues and. We'll
continue to reach out and we continue to be open.
But everything that can be done, we can't do any
more than ask, and we have. Done that. Further through
your madam. So if my understanding is correct, the mzido
that's presented before us today is an application for the
township of Scugog to apply for the Mz. O for
this property. And so my question to you, Mr. Medhurst,
is the information that's provided in here. Adequate for the
township of Scugog to say that we have adequately. Consulted
MSifn on this project. Hear you, madam. Well, in fact,
You've kind of hit the nut on the head very
well. In fact, if town council asked the minister to
consider. And if they so considered to issue a minister's
owning order, it's up for. The minister to decide if
the minister is happy with all of the things that
have been done. Is the minister happy with our community
outreach? Is the minister happy with how we've approached MSiFn
the duty to consult is actually the crowns. It's the
ministers. It's not a town. It's not ours. The crime
has the obligation and the crown can easily call Msifn
and ask and engage themselves the minister needs to make.
In this case, it's a him, his own decision, am.
I going to issue an MZO? If the minister doesn't
like it? If the minister. Doesn't, then he won't do
it, and there's no appea. Appeal. There's nothing we can
say about it. If he turns it down, he turns
it. Down. If the minister approves it, the minister can
approve it, and the minister can attach any condition the
minister likes. The minister can say, I want you to
do ten environmental studies and then it has to be
done. The minister can set any condition. So. One further
question on this, madam. There, and then I'll leave it
alone. And what happens if MsIFN or any of the
other, I think, ten signatories to the. Williams lake treaties.
Are unhappy with. The considerations that the township as Cougar
has given. To their request for meaningful engagement. With some
repercussions for us. Well, I'm not a lawyer, and I
could ask you. I think we have a lawyer. Our
own lawyer there. But the answer is that the duty
to consult the obligation. To consult is the crowns, not
ours and not yours and not the towns, and that's.
Gone all the way. There's a small town in British
Columbia. They had the same dilemma. You did. It went
all the way to the Supreme Court of Canada, and
the Supreme Court said, it is not the town's obligation
because it's outside of. Your knowledge and capacity. It is
the crown. And us too. It's the crown. So the
minister will make his decision on this. It's his to
do and our position. We're open to any discussion with
MSiFn. Thus far. There's an archaeological studies already been done.
It's been provided. There were three levels of study. It
already said there's nothing on this site you can issue.
A development permit and you already did for the plan
of subdivision you've already previously done. That. So it's all
to the minister. Okay, very good. That's all for now.
Thank you. Thank you, Councilor McDougall. If there are no
further comments or questions of Mr. Methurst. We will continue
on and we will move on to our delegation. 9.4
from Rob Maservi on behalf of the Skigog Lake stewards
regarding the Amsetto request. Rob, come on forward. Thank you,
Mr. Matturst.
Good. Go ahead. Welcome. And you can start anytime you're
ready. Madam Mayor, members of council, thank you for the
opportunity to speak to you on behalf of the Scoogog
Lake. Stewart's number of my board members are present tonight.
I'll first speak to a resolution passed by our board
just last week. Which I filed with the clerk. I
believe that the resolution has been provided to you and
I'll. Then have some additional comments. So we're aware that
township is currently in receipt. Of the Avenue Properties development
proposal, which seeks to rezone lands to facilitate intensive residential
development on private services directly adjacent to the lake at
the mouth of cockers creek. This proposal is conceptual only
without the necessary data and studies to enable essential assessment
of its potential short and long term impacts on the
health of the lake and therefore the economy of the
community. The proponent's apparent intention is to obtain rezoning approval
of their proposal for the land through the new bill
185 and a ministerial zoning. Order. Does council support this
ministerial zoning order in the face of missing prerequisite information
or feedback? From the community to evaluate its short and
long term impact to lake Scoog for the record. Scuba
Lake Stewards, Inc. Was established March 2003 as a nonprofit
charitable corporation with a mandate which includes the conserv. Conservation
and protection of Lake Scoogog in its watershed and to
increase public awareness of the Blake health and support for
continued economic, social and recreational development around the lake in
an ecologically responsible and sustainable manner. We believe that the
health and vitality of Lake Scoogog is critical to the
continued success of the economy of the township of. Scogog
and its livability and viability as a community. Especially since
around 2015 or about 2015, we have observed further deterioration
of lake quality. Including the subject area, through the impact
of many factors, including the various results of recent climate
change. The introduction of destructive invasive species and continued shoreline
development, deteriorating near shore viability and balance to name a
few. And just to add to this point, Long term
monitoring, including some sampling we just did last week of
Cockers Creek and its outlet. Shows virtually all environmental and
water quality parameters, such as total phosphorus, nitrogen, chlorides, and
benthic macro. Invertebrates. Get a grade of D. The scublic
stewards are supportive of continued development in the township at
Scoogogen. Would not oppose development, including elements of this one,
provided it's been evaluated positively with regard to its short
and long term impact on the environment generally and upon
Lakes Scoogog in particular. Therefore, the Scuba Lake stewards supportive
directors have resolved that squoglike stewards, Inc. Recommends that council
not support advancing this major conceptual proposal to the province
at this time or until such time as the necessary
detailed information is provided that confirms, based on science based
assessments, that the development will not negatively. Impact the health
of the lake and or the municipality's financial responsibilities in
both the short and long term and further, prior to
making any decision on the proposed development that the township
council not the proponent, hold a public hearing or hearings
to enable residents and stakeholders the opportunity to be updated
on council's due diligence. About the potential impacts of this
development on Port Perry's overall livability and economic viability together,
importantly, with the impact upon the health of Lake Scoogog,
a lake already under threat. So some additional comments if
I could, Madam mayor, I'd like to make on behalf
of the stewards. Based on review of the project brief,
section 47 of the Planning act. And the MMAH website.
I don't see the imperative nor the benefit nor the
feasibility of an mz owed. To establish unit density for
this development at this time. First, where is the imperative?
Where is the provincial interest does a 582 unit proposal
number should be in question. And one that mentions a
health center and some level of transit in its conceptual
plan in order to check some of the provincial criteria
boxes constitute or create a reasonable level of provincial interest.
The Ministry of Municipal affairs and Housing website on MZTO's
states, quote, as best practice, proponents should consider whether there's
a demonstrable need for urgency of zoning relief. Such as
timelines related to funding or grants or an emergency public
health and safety concern. Proponents should also assess project feasibility
prior to making a request, such as anticipated timelines related
to applying for downstream approvals. And progress to address water
and wastewater and other servicing. So is council satisfied the
proponent has met these considerations. Secondly, what's the benefit? I
don't see benefit to the township in supporting an M.
Said, which would seem to remove. Or usurp the township's
control and authority over key elements. Of this development process?
And thirdly, how is it feasible for the proponent to
propose or the province to approve a unit density and
land uses. At this time, I don't see how. A
unit density can be effectively established. At this time, there
are no substantive science based studies to support the densities
proposed. For example, there have been. No updated studies undertaken
to support the redefinition of specific environmental zones and wetland
boundaries. And setbacks from development. There have been no comprehensive
geotechnical. Just a couple, few more seconds. Okay, you're past
your five nor hydrogeological studies. That have addressed soil stability
in the carrying capacity of the site for the density
and sighting of units proposed. There could be major threats
to the site in Cockers Creek from sedimentation, contamination and
other impacts from construction and possible failure or overloading of
services. So my other question is what's? The rush to
take this to the province? That a proper basis for
determining an acceptable density? In site plan, so it seems
premature and without benefit. My final comment, madam, may. Mayor,
if you allow me. Is that an option to denial
of this request from avenue by council? Is deferral of
this matter to staff. From a meeting I had with
senior staff last week it was confirmed. Stop is not
in a position currently to advise counsel on this matter.
Deferral. To staff would enable them to lead and conduct
necessary assessments of. And consultations on the merits of seeking
an McEdot and the feasibility of elements of the proposal
and bring recommendations back to council. Part of that process.
Consultations. Thank you very much. Thank you for this opportunity.
Are there any questions to Mr. Masovi? Councilor Rock. Thank
you. Thanks for coming up. I always appreciate you coming
and providing the information. Whether we agree or disagree on
the topic, I always enjoy the conversation that we have
on any of them, and I appreciate that. In taking
a look at the letter that you read and some
of the concerns. Have any of the concerns stated in
that letter? Been removed based on hearing what that MZO
was looking to do and not do so for example,
all of the environmental reports are going to be done
before anything's happening, I guess. When we hear the actual
request of what's being done. Does it structurally change any
of the things in the declaration from the Lake Stewarts
that you put forward. Because I guess my concern is.
I didn't hear that. They're looking for a rezoning, for
example. It is already zoned to do that. And correct
me if I'm wrong. You won't be asked to leave
if you interrupt again. What I heard was this was
already zoned for subdivision, right. So this is just a
matter. Of density. It's not a matter of zoning. So
I guess my concern is I appreciate everything you're saying.
Absolutely. And I absolutely agree that all of these things
have to be done. But I think from what I've
heard and from what I've read or taken away from
going through these things are. All of these things will
be done, but. Instead of going through the process for
the next couple of years, arguing back and forth around
how many houses exactly can be built here or there.
It's setting that parameter out and then working to make
sure it will be feasible. And it will be. Environmentally
sustainable to do that. So I appreciate the concern. I
agree with the concern. And if we were voting on
actual approval, of this, I would have a lot more
concerns, but that's not what we're being asked to do
tonight, in my mind, we're being asked the question of.
Density, not any of these other questions. So I just
wanted to. Based on what you've. Heard. Do any of
your opinions or anything that we've heard from you today
change? Thank you, Councilor Rock. Appreciate your question. I would
say from my continuing review. Of materials been made available.
Our position remains. My concern. I think the concern of
the stewards is that. Setting a density now. Without studies
that would basically determine the development envelope seems premature. In
the brief ghd. Has just contracted. Two very excellent. Ecologists
to begin to update. Environmental feasibility study. They sign their
contract on June the third, I think if I can
recall from the brief. So that's three weeks ago. And
in the proposal, it was suggested that. There's probably some
obvious changes in the boundaries of the wetland and other
environmentally sensitive features. Since studies were previously done, and I
assume those were in concert with the original proposal, so.
It's already been. I think, considered that there have been
ecological changes on the site. So I guess our view
is how do you set a density within a building
envelope when we don't know? What are the effective land
uses available and what are the new environmental protection zones
going to be? How much of that developed land, as
presented in the brief, is actually developable, and it seems
to me premature to send something to the province to
take away from. The council's oversight of this planning process
before very basic information like that is in hand. It
just doesn't make sense to me. Let's let that environmental
feasibility study. Proceed and have that come back as part
of what I'm suggesting, perhaps as an option. Back to
staff as part of a staff report to say, here's
what we think is a reasonable density. In terms of
rezoning or zoning. I thought density was part of. The
zoning. So I think just some fundamental information, councilor, that
seems to me lacking for this. To have merit to
go to the province at this time. Thank you. Thank
you, Councilor Rock. Are there any other questions? To mr.
Maso. Called you, counselor. Councilor Loroy. Yes. Thank you,
madam. Through you to Mr. Mercervy. You are somewhat unique,
deputy, having Lake Stewart's role and former CIO of court
conservation. Of course. That. Makes you quite an expert in
many matters that we discuss here at council. So thank
you for bringing your perspectives. And just to extend on
that, I'm intrigued by your idea of requesting staff. To
examine. This further. And I'm curious, what is the position
of the lake stewards with regard to what the expectations
of staff would be should we decide to. Defer to
staff evaluation. Do you have some guide posts that you
would like to share with where you think that study?
Should go or be directed. Thank you, Councilor Leroy. Stewart
we haven't had, I would say, an in depth discussion
about that particular option. We knew it was certainly a
consideration. I think what we agree upon is that the
additional time. For additional studies to be undertaken and completed
and part of. The information base of science based information
would be be valuable as part of that process that
staff would coordinate. So. It retains. Going to stop. Retains.
The oversight of the development process for now with the
township. It enables staff to have meaningful. Consultation and engagement
with those who have an interest, who may not, at
this point have had that opportunity this has been. Moving
pretty fast. I do appreciate. Mr. Methurst and his team
have had extensive consultations, but there's a lot more. That
need to be held. So I think our view, councilor,
is that this provides time for critical studies which will
address really the whole essence of what's developable and. From
what densities can be. Can be established and also provides
for meaningful engagement within the community that council can benefit
from before council makes its decision whether an MZ O
is required, whether it's a benefit et cetera. Any further
questions from any counselors. Seeing none. Thank you very much
for your presentation. Thank you, ma'am. Sorry. Sit back down,
Rob. Council, guido. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Mercervi, for
taking your seat again. Just a quick question. Scoogog late.
Stewards have been around since 2003. What were your positions
or the position of the committee at the time, with
the development in Canterbury? And then. The new houses that
were built along Castle Harbor Drive, was there a similar
position that would have been given at that time? Or
is this more specific to the location? Of the proximity
to the lake. Thanks. Councilor. That question for you, Madam
Mayor. I can't really comment. Back to Castle. Harbor development
personally, but I was involved with some elements of Canterbury
commons development not relating to an Mz O. The issue
before us is an MZO, not so much the development.
But for Canterbury commons. We had, I think, stewards and
other organizations and the public had a major interest in
how that site would be treated. Before the plan was
approved in terms of particularly stormwater management and servicing. And
how could we protect Lake Scoogog from. Possibilities of erosion
and contamination and celtation. And so we spent a lot
of time with the engineering team from the proponent to
ensure that they were using. What they consider to be.
A high degree of technology. New technology. So that was
our focus from the stewards, was what's the impact on
the lake? In terms of what could possibly happen in
terms of impacts from the site and from runoff and
unfortunately, notwithstanding that, I think there was a considerable investment
in studies and. There was a lot of convincing of
us that they had the technology in place. There were
massive situations of major. Erosion, sedimentation and just claims of
silty material into the lake Durhan aspects of construction. So
that's sort of all I can comment on. That was
our area of focus, counselor. I can't relate that to
tonight's conversation on MZto, if that's. Helpful. Perfect. Thank you.
But there were some lessons learned from that development that
the Lake Stewarts have built. Their knowledge base, particularly to
scoogog around them. Yes, I would say that example. We've
learned from. Yes. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, councilor.
To councilor Guillo's comments. Had the density been determined before
you had these meetings? I can't answer that, Madam mayor.
I don't know. Okay. Thank you.
This time. Thank you.
Okay. Residents of Castle
harbor, please come forward. Thank you and welcome. Kathy, in
the final five minutes. Go ahead when you're ready. Okay.
First, I would like to start by just saying that
I feel that the township should not grant the sims.
I don't request. I feel that the residents and a
lot of the other residents feel the same. I know
have not. Had sufficient time to even look at the
459 page MZ eight o request. I don't know if
any of the counselors have been able to get through
it. In order to understand the process, the rapifications this
order will entail. We were only given the information three
business days ago prior to this meeting and two business
days. Before the deadline to submit a request to speak,
so it was virtually impossible to be able to get
a lot of information out of that 450 page document.
Anyways. Mr. Medhirst went on about how this plan. Adheres
to. The. Official plan for Scoogog. First of all, although
I'd like to say something. About the zoning. And I
did get through some of that report on page 138.
It does say in that large book that the zoning
bylaw changes. Will be asked in the mzo. Currently zoned
r three, which does not allow for apartments. They are
asking the Mzo to divide the site into two zones.
Zone one for single, detached, and townhomes, which would be
called RM three and zone two, which would allow apartments
and commercial space. So they are asking the MZO for
zoning changes, just if you want to look that up.
But that's on page 138. That's a little bit. I
got some of that red. Anyway, the official plan for
lakes. For. The township. Does state, however. In this MZO
council resolution, they say, whereas the township has identified port
period as the highest priority area for new development and
intensification, particular in greenfield sites. That's one of their comments
in the resolution. Our official plan states that township consists
of many significant environmental features. Approximately 20% of land is
within the Oak Ridges Marine and the remaining 80% within
the green belt. The significant natural heritage features valley system
significant forest areas and wetlands provide habitat for a wide
range. Of fish, wildlife, vegetation. There is sufficient land available
for development in the township without the need to disturb
these environmentally sensitive areas. I guess they didn't see that
part of the official plan. It also provide the official
plan says. The township will provide for the protection and
preservation of the natural environment through the Oak Ridges. Marine
conservation plan, green belt plan, and within the settlement areas.
Another comment. It says. Whereas the proposal replaces a limited
use, large lot, single home estate subdivision. It goes on
a little bit from there, but since I don't have
time, I won't. Read the rest. Avenue Properties is not
a developer. They admit that they have never built any
project like this before. This will be a pilot project
being done on environmentally sense of land bordering lake Scoogog.
I feel this is a high risk project. The township
should not turn the decision making process over to the
province in order to fast track a pilot project. So
we must ask what processes, reviews, assessments, environmental studies will
be shortchanged. In order to fast track this development. Once
the MZo is granted. There will be no turning back.
Also. Where am I? Here. The council unanously passed a
motion on February December 4, 2023, confirming they prepared to
explore the utilization of the community with structured housing that
has been changed. However, the point I wanted to make
there was that the motion was passed December 4 without.
Proper public consultation. The official plan also states the township
will make available to the public information regarding future development
patterns of the township in order to reduce speculation in
land, which arises when residents and land developers are not
aware of future development policies and plans. I don't feel
the resident. Residents have been properly informed about this at
all, given that we've only had three days. To prepare
for this meeting. Also. Just a couple more seconds. All
right. It says here too, whereas the proposed development forms
to the applicable policies of the regional op. Has explicit
permission for servicing by municipal water and private sewage systems.
I don't see where the explicit permission comes from. In
the MCO request, it states that they will have to
receive. Ministry of Environment. Conservation and parks approval and responsibility
agreement with the region for this private septic sewer system.
So how? Does that equate to explicit permission? Thank you
very much. Any questions to the delegate? I really don't
like to cut people off, but we have 14 delegations.
If we don't keep to a time script, we will
be here well past midnight. Anyway, censor development is on
environmentally connected land. Kathy, thank you very much. Are there
any questions to Kathy?
Thank you. We'll move on to our next delegate, who
is Nancy page. Nancy, if you're here, I don't have
an address for you, so please state your address. When
you come forward. Thank you. We'll control that. Nancy.
Page 15, Cockers cove Road. L nine, l one, p
four. Okay, go ahead. Thank you. And I have my
timer here as well. Perfect. So, first of all, thank
you for the opportunity to speak tonight. I am here
to voice my opposition to avenues request for an MZo
I'm going to talk from a very general. Layperson understanding
of this situation. Firstly, this municipal council is the most
important and powerful protector of our community, and it is
this. Council, not developers, that determines the developments and the
speed of developments in our community. As we know, accelerates
the development process from two to three years to three
months to support housing and developer goals. These may not
align with our community and our council goals. It bypasses
the Ontario Land Tribunal. It cannot be reviewed. It cannot
be appealed. It is final. It includes employment assessments, which.
Have been better just by me, but to a lesser
extent than the manual process. It means this council loses
control over critical components of this development. The Mississaugas of
Scogog island. The lake stewards and local residents are opposed
to this MZO. Court. The conservation has not been provided
with plans for review and comment. I understand this is
not a requirement, but their input is critical. I'm going
to quickly reference some things from Abby's presentation on page
126. There are reasons for requesting this MCO, and I
quote, investments are ended. Anything needed so financing can be.
Secured. Time is critical to unlock funding initiatives needed for
financial viability. Without an MZO and subsequent financing, they cannot
advance further. What does this mean? What time is what
initiatives? What happens if they get the Zenzio and. There's
another hiccup along the way. What I'm hearing, and I
could be wrong, is that they don't have the money
to build this. So who is advancing the money? Who
is in control? Are they going to flip this and
never come through? And since they don't have the money
to build this, why are they asking this council? To
help them accelerate things. I do not see transparency, accountability
or credibility here. To counsel. I say, why would you
even consider hurrying things up to help these guys out
if they don't have the money to do this. Whoever
ends up doing this is probably not going to be
them. Referencing page 43 and 180 of their presentation, as
well as section eight of the Ontario building code. Sewage
system design flows. Just as a quick example, because time
is short. But when you use their numbers, their plans
of 26 detached 36 time loses 520 apartment type units.
That number of 2.2 people per unit, and I crunch
those numbers through the Ontario building. Code. The daily wastewater
that will require treatment is 414,000 liters per day. Their
plans are for 280,000 liters per day, 68% of design
capacity, a full 32% unaccounted for, as per the Ontario
building code. I know they might have. Some highfalutant plans,
but I feel like I am missing something here. These
are just some red flags I quickly found on a
Sunday afternoon scanning a report that is high on vision,
low on details, and I can't imagine what a full
review might find. Given all this, it follows that it
is better that this development not proceed via any kind
of MZO so that this council can continue to ensure
proper review of all aspects of the development. In addition
to my previous questions, based on the points I raised,
I want to ask this council five questions. One, is
my general understanding correct? Two. Has the planning department issued
a planning report? Do they support this development? Do they
support this? MCO. And if so, why? Three addresses. Environmental
assessments. All I can say is we can't take any
shortcuts. Four. Do you support this development? If so, why?
Do you support an NZO for this development? If so,
why? I respectfully ask. This council votes against avenues MZo
request granting us the time to move. Forward prudently. Their
motives for an accelerated process are clear, and things don't
add up. But we do not have to be rushed.
Tonight's decisions could make things final. The environmental impact and
loss to our community is forever. We must take every
step. To protect. I ask that you did not have
any MCO request so that you can continue to act.
With patients. Prudence, collaboration, control and time. Thank you very
much. Are there any questions to the delegate? Seeing none,
thank you very much. Okay. And just a general process.
Question. My questions, will they be. Answered at some point.
If you submit them. Please. That would be great. Thank
you. Okay. Moving on to
9.7, which is a delegation from Janice Hamilton Dicker. Regarding
the Mzetto request. Janice, are you in the crowd here
somewhere? Oh, there you are.
Thank you. Go ahead. When you're ready. And you have
five minutes. Thank you. Good evening, mayor and council. I
represent others in the castle harbor and surrounding neighborhoods and
requests that you do not endorse the minister's zoning order
for avenue properties court if council wants to move forward
with this, then we in the community need more public
consultations before that. Is done. The lake, wetland and marsh
surrounding the site are evaluated as provincially significant that must
be protected in the words of our famous canadian painter,
Robert Bateman, we are wiping out our natural heritage. And
replacing it with uniformity, which is dangerous. It is creating
grandchild abuse because we will not leave. Them parcels of
land that are left in its natural state. This development
would destroy the marshland. And the habitat of hundreds of
birds, turtles, frogs, fish, an array of plant and wildlife.
All eight of Ontario's turtle species have been designated as
species at risk under the endangered Species act. The development
would impact and displ. Displace a variety of species. This
property is a popular corridor for wildlife. Please protect it.
Since at least 2004, this property has been under the
threat of development. On April 25, 2006, the Regional Municipality
of Durham Commissioner of Planning report stated that originally a
development of 25. Residential homes with a marina was proposed,
but was reduced to 20 homes in consideration of the
environment. Protection. And yet here we're talking about 600 units
and a road over a marsh area. What about the
buffer between the construction area and the wetland? With a
proposed marina, the buffer is gone. The proposed. New road
will run right through a provincially significant marsh area. In
looking at the Ontario online wetland mapping system. You can
clearly see the wetland, how many truckloads of soil will
be required to build this road. When the 20 homes
were to be built, 6000 truckloads of soil would have
been needed. How many truckloads of soil? Would be required
to build this new development and road. It would be
almost impossible to guarantee no contaminated soil is brought in.
Constructing roads and parking lots will destroy even more green
space and replace it with hard surface. More roads and
more parking lots equal more road salt in the winter
months. Road runoff and road salts will cont. Contaminate surrounding
waterways and wetlands and impact wildlife within the waters. How
will that be managed? Chlorides from road salts are toxic
to freshwater ecosystems and species and ecosystems. Enhanced amount of
road salts will transform cool freshwater environments into salty, warmer
walters waters. We all know that. More affordable housing is
needed. But the provincial government of Ontario has stated they
have ruled out allowing municipalities to build fourplexes and little
communities like ours. They stated it was off the table.
For them yet they are planning twelve apartment buildings. The
development is completely out of character with the surrounding single
family dwelling home. Homes. Who will be responsible for the
cost of upgrading our infrastructure, such as our healthcare, transportation,
police fire and education for possibly 2400 new residents. The
taxpayer will be as a community, we have concern with
Avenue as a company. What if they change their name,
close the company or declare bankruptcy? And a sewage system
that they have installed. Malfunction. Who will be financially responsible
for the cleanup. Can avenue please confirm how many units
they want to build. Really confirm it. If Avenue got
their approvals they need to build. Will they stick with
the project or will they get the approvals? And then
sell the property. What are their plans? The ministry zoning
process is required to cut the planning process. What planning
department requirements? Will be short changed. We would encourage council
to take the proper time, complete proper due diligence. And
not be driven by the developer's request. Now, I am
representing others in our community. And this is what's been
said. There is talk about contacting the ombudsman. Ontario, to
discuss the decision of council if. They choose to support
this ministry zoning order council should support the majority of
their residents wishes. Thank you. Very much. On. Any questions?
To. The delegate. Thank you very much. And if you
haven't already submitted your presentation, you could certainly do that.
Councilor Douglas decided he wants to ask a question. Sorry.
My question is actually just a point of clarification. You've
indicated that the delegates could submit their questions, as this
is not a public meeting. And we don't have a
proper form for submitting and answering questions. What would that
look like? True matter, mayor? Well, I don't know, but
I'd like to have them. Very good. Thank you. I'm
assuming I'm allowed to ask for them. Mr clerk. Am
I totally wrong?
Anyway, please submit it. Okay, so, moving on.
We will now have a delegation from Lori Bray.
Welcome. And you can go ahead whenever you're ready. Thank
you. There was a number of madamarin to all of
the members of council. There was a number of things
that I was going to say, but they've been so
eloquently. Shared. In previous
delegations. I'm really going to. Say as clearly, as clearly
said another time in other delegations. We must take our
time with this development. My main concern is the proximity
to the wetlands and the lake, the natural habitats of
birds and other wildlife will be affected. As we know,
wetlands are such an important part of health for the
environment. So I feel we need to take into account
the impact on the wetlands, not only for today. But
also for future generations. Therefore. I feel like we need
to take our time, get the environmental assessments right, and
follow due process. And so at this point, I would
not be in favor of the Avenue properties m sale
request. At this time. And I don't need all of
my five minutes. So someone else can follow. Thank you.
Well, thank you. I appreciate. I will ask questions to
be directed. So. Just a sec, Councilor Guido. Not a
question, just. A comment. Thank you very much for that.
I appreciate it. Thank you. Does anyone else have any
questions? Ms. Bryce? Seeing none, thank you. Moving on to
delegation nine. Larry corrigan.
Welcome and go ahead to Mr. Corrigan. Thank you, madam
chair and members of council. For allowing this
senior to come back to the place that he spent
ten years. And it's ten years today. If we're talking
time sensitivity that I was sitting where you were. Councilor
Cohen, just for a little information, and based on what
I've heard tonight. I'm here to speak. To the correspondence,
so I submit it, so. I don't want to repeat
what I've heard. I'm going to take what I've heard
tonight. And go right to the back. Of where I
am right now. And to suggest the following. To address
this issue. My motion if I were where I was.
Ten years ago would be. That council. Considered the formation
of an ad hoc committee. Ad hoc. Consisting of representation.
From avenue properties. Regional and schoolgog planning. Representative from the
conservation. Authority. Scoogog Lake stewards. Mississaugas. Of Scogog.
Representation. From Castle harbor residents. And the word five, counselor.
And their mandate would be to address the concerns of
the local. Body politic, which we have heard tonight. And
review the requested reports of planning staff. And the development
of a site plan. And necessary legal documents to address
the concerns. References. Evening. Which would include. An adr.
Alternative dispute resolution clause. To address. What will
happen when you have a development. Problems in the implementation.
The other point I want to mention, when we're speaking
of history. And what the developer was. Hanging their hat
on was the official plan. Now the official plan. If
my memory and I can be corrected. Has to be
reviewed every five years. By provincial mandate. And the question
I ask myself. Was. How long ago? Was the original.
Plan. That everyone's hanging their hat on to promote this
development. I would say it's beyond five years. I would
say it's probably around seven. So therefore. That is something
that has to be considered. Because a lot of technology,
a lot of. Insight regarding environmental concerns has happened since
it was originally developed. And I also referenced.
As the closing point. From jfk. Never fear to negotiate.
But never negotiate out of fear. I am willing to
take questions with respect. To. The other two points. That
I reference in the correspondence, which, by the way, Was
supported by the retired teachers of Ontario Durham chapter. Political
advocacy committee membership, which includes representation from this community outside
of the teachers. And the president. Thank you, madam. Thank
you. Mr. Corgan, are there any questions? Or anything for
Mr. Corrigan? Seeing none, thank you very much. Thank you,
Madam Mayor.
Okay. Delegation ten, which is a delegation from Alison Elwood.
This is a fancy chair. Welcome elephant. And please go
ahead. Thank you very much. Good evening, Mayor Wanton. Counselors,
delegates. Neighbors, friends. Thank you for your great support for
those events that we heard around town this morning. Or
rather, at the start of the meeting. And thank you
to our good work on our finances. I can't believe
we're actually doing really well with our increase in revenue.
It's really exciting. I noticed I'm in here this evening.
A lovely plaque of the land acknowledgment. Mentioned earlier here
as well. Also a flag representing the Mississaugas of Cuga
Gyle and First Nation. I know marijuana and council. You
value your relationship with the nation, whose land we're on.
Here in Scogog. It's evident here. And another effort such
as. The efforts last week to commemorate National Indigenous People's
day. I'm not a member of Scubog Island, First Nation,
nor am I here to. Speak on their behalf, but
as a resident of Port Perry, I'd like to ask
the mayor if the meaningful consultation process with our treaty
partners has begun and at what stage it is at.
I saw some notes of attempts to reach out by
avenue, but the developers. But nowhere near fulsome consultation. And
in truth, And Zeto's ought not Trump treaty rights. As
you are well aware, the duty to consult on such
a development on a provincially significant wetland is outlined in
the canadian constitution. Our legal obligations under the United Nations
Declaration for the Rights of Indigenous Peoples and, of course,
our moral obligations to the Truth and Reconciliation Commission and
to our neighbors, friends and treaty partners, the Mississaugas of
Scuga gala First Nation Municipalities and Provinces act on behalf
of the Crown and it is, in fact, the rule
of counsel to consult. I would like to know where
they are in the process and with consultation and whether
or not you can tell us their thoughts on the
matter. It's my understanding that mississaugs of Scuba island First
Nation have not received an official project package from the
developer nor the town. I'm actually just wondering if they're
waiting for the environmental assessments after listening tonight. I look
forward to your public notice of your consultation process. I
trust you will act on our behalf with honesty, integrity
and with the thoughts of our children. Grandchildren and the
great grandchildren in our heart. In your heart, actually. Thank
you. And go, oilers, go. Thank you very much. Allison.
Are there any questions or comments to Allison? Seeing none,
thank you very much. Sorry, Councilor MacDougall. You got to
get in there quicker, Mr. McDougal. Madam. You're getting quicker
and quicker. As she said. Go. Oilers, I think. Question
for you, Allison. We heard earlier that. Tension. Viscog does
not have a legal obligation to consult. With Mississaugas of
Kugog Island's first Nations and or any other treaty signatories.
Does that absolve us of our responsibilities, in your opinion,
to do that consultation? So are you talking about your
legal obligation or your moral obligation? I would consider it
to be. Both, but I'm just. A humble resident of
moral corporation. But yeah. So you're asking me if I
think you have a moral obligation? Yeah, I think that's
probably why I'm here. But I also know that. You
could probably talk to Chief laraka. She would probably be
able to fill you in on your legal obligations, but,
yeah, I do believe. We have a moral obligation. That's
all. Thank you. That's the end of our delegations.
Okay. We will now entertain a motion, please.
To let me get myself organized. That the presentation. From
avenue properties be received. That all the delegations. Be received.
And that all the correspondence. Listed and that would be
10.3.1. Which to Allison. There is correspondence included in the
agenda package. With feedback from the MSIFn after consultation. Just
to share that little information. That is, our correspondence is
10.3.1 through two. 10.3.14. So if I could have
a mover and a seconder, Councilor McDougall. I will gladly
move that, madam. Please, Councilor Laurie. Thank you. Are there
any questions? Councilor McDougall. My question, Madam Mayor, is you
mentioned questions of the delegates be recorded. And I'm asking
if that can be added to this motion. Do you
know what he means? The questions have been posed. We'll
have them on tape. The questions. We have recorded this
entire meeting. So the questions. Are already recorded. I just
asked for them to be submitted as well, so I'm
not quite sure what you're asking. All right. Thank you,
madam. Councilor rock. Thank you, Madamor. So, in taking a
look at the resolutions, the resolutions themselves, I have no.
Issues with any of them. I guess what I'm not
seeing is an answer to the question that has been
posed to us.
And. I presume the question. About. Whether. That's two
point or nine point. Whatever it was. Nine point. Three
point. Two? Is that what you're referencing? I
guess the question is, do we want that to be
included in this resolution, or do we. Want that to
be deferred or do we want to have that as
a separate resolution? Well, I'm happy to gauge in a
conversation, but. I think at some level it needs to
be addressed. A question has been asked for us. Absolutely.
Of us. A sample resolution has been supplied to us.
So are they going to agree with the sample resolution?
We're going to make a referral for that resolution or
we're going to deny it, but at some point we
have to address it. So I do agree with you,
councilor, and I would like to suggest that the resolution
that was put before us. Be voted on, and then.
The other resolution. Can come forward for discussion. So we'll
deal with that separately and accept all of the delegations
and presentations. In a separate assessment. As long as that's
okay with the clerk. My left hand man. If I
may, madam Mayor, in the draft resolution that you have
before you, there's a reference under number two that the
correspondence from Andrew Bigert on behalf of avenue properties be
received. Right. It is both the letter and the motion.
Okay. What I understand, the intent is that you would
withhold dealing with the motion so that you. Can have
some deliberations about it this evening and whether. You're going
to move and second it, or what am I to
do with it? So I guess the correspondence. The resolution.
This resolution should read. That the correspondent 9.3.1 from Andrew
Biggert on behalf of Avenue be received.
So then, if I'm clear, we're just receiving that one
piece of correspondence and. Again. In a separate motion, we'll
address. 9.3 point. That is what I understand. That's fine.
I just wanted clarity. Thank you. Yes. So these resolutions
before you have been moved by councilor McDougall and councilor
Leroy. Is there any further discussion wanted of. These resolutions.
Seeing none. All in favor? Thank you.
Okay. So if we are going to have a discussion
regarding the motion or the ask for the mzetto I
need a mover and a seconder to put that on
the floor. Councilor rock. And councilor McDougall? Yes. No. You're
seconding it or no, I was. Going to put motion.
Different than the one. That. What's in front of us.
Sorry. Different than the one that's in front of you.
1.3.2. Oh, yes. Different than that. Thank you. Okay. So
we need a second or for nine point. 3.2. The
one. Councilor Wright. Okay. So it's now on the floor.
The motion that was received. From outlined from avenue. Properties.
Is there any discussion? Or anything with regard to that
motion.
Is everyone clear? Do we need to have a short
break to figure that out? What we're? Doing? Okay.
This is the motion regarding avenue properties and federal requests
that was proposed by the applicant. Councilor Rock and councilor
Wright have moved it. So there can be discussion.
Councilor ruck. Thank you, madamir. I appreciate everyone being here
today, and I know that some or all of us
may agree or. Disagree to a variety of different things,
but. I believe what we're being asked. Is a very
straightforward. Very small, defined question. Is, should we set the
density on this? What I've heard through the delegations, what
I've heard through. Reading 300, 450 pages of information at
that point is I've still yet to hear a reason
why we would not. Move to set density. It is
not going to remove anything else from the development process.
It will not remove the onus of all of the
assessments that need to be done to ensure and protect
that this is going to be done appropriately, and it
does not mean that shovels are going to be in
the ground anytime soon. This will come back before. Us
once we have all of the appropriate information. To make
any final decisions. It will not remove this council's responsibility
in my mind. From giving a full assessment of this.
This is a simple step forward for this company to
continue. To explore all of those things. And if it
does not add up, then I will be the first
one on council to speak against this, but at this
point I haven't heard personally. A credible reason why we.
Wouldn't start that process moving forward to be able to
get all of the additional information. That we will be
requiring to make. A very clear, very definitive future decision.
Thank you, council. Are there any further comments or questions
from any of council? Can you ask them to clarify
that? He's moved to daunt. The clerk has asked if
you are moving forward for adoption of that resolution, if
that's what you were speaking to. I am. Okay. That's
what I thought. Thank you. Okay, further questions. Councilor Leroy.
Yes. Thank you. Madamarin, through you, I'd like to take
this opportunity to ask. Staff for. Their opinion. I realized
that had much time to look at this either. However.
I actually value. I probably don't say that often enough,
but. I would like to have some sense of. Your
thoughts, whether that's director Henry or director heritage. Understanding. You
may not have really given this a whole lot of
attention yet. Hopefully. There's some preliminary. Viewpoints you may have
or wish to share on this topic. Three. You met
a mayor to the councilor. You're correct. Staff hasn't really
had an opportunity to review all this material that's before
us. It came in the middle of last week. And
we've been dealing with other priorities at that point in
time. So I love the opportunity to go through the
material. And provide counsel with an opinion. I think this
is one of the first times I've ever appeared before
council with no staff report and no recommendation on the
item that is before council. So I think it would
be premature at this point in time to provide an
opinion. For council's consideration.
Sorry. Anything further? Yes. I would like to propose a
motion that we defer this to staff for evaluation. Well,
the other motion is currently on the floor. Is it
a referral? It would be both. Ashley. Okay? Do you
want to do that right now, or do you want
to listen to the rest of the comments and questions
from council. I think we should hear the rest of
comments from council. Thank you council. Thank you, Madam Mayor.
Just sort of a summation of what we've heard tonight.
Please speak into your mic. Sorry, madam Mayor, of the
summation of what we've heard tonight. And the last comments
from director heritage, I think, summed it up quite well.
This is very early stages of this game, nothing has
come to. The staff at the municipality for approval. And
to councilor Rock's point, we're looking to get. A number,
identity numbers. So we can look at this and see
what can be built and see. What we can do
there and preserve the quality of the lake. This council.
Is very committed to preserving a lake. It's not development
at any cost. I myself sit on the courth conservation
authority and realize what it means to preserve the quality
of the lake for the ongoing. Well being of this
community. And like Mr. Masurvey said earlier, there were things
that were learned from. The lessons. At Canterbury Common and
those things will all be taken into account. As this
goes forward, if it does. But this is very early
going. Staff have not seen anything. That's going to be
proposed. What we need to do now is get. A
number so we can see if this is possible to
do it. And if it is feasible. If the system
is what it says it is, it's great. I think
everybody here would rather have a self contained sewage system
holding all the effluent back. Then 20 septic beds leaching
into the lake. I think it is prudent that we
give this a good look at and see if it
is feasible to bring it into this community. It is.
A world. Leading technology. In the future of housing, and
I think it would be a great mark for Port
Perry. And Skewog Township to put this in the port.
If it could be feasibly. Done. And maintain the quality
and health of the lake. It would show the world
that it could be done. People could live beside the
lake. With the rest of their lives and for the
rest of time. Thank you, Madam Mayor. Thank you, councilor.
Councilor Guido. Thank you, madamir. Just a question for you
to direct your heritage or manager Hendry, whoever. Wants to
take the question. Can you walk us through if you
have the knowledge? How mz o's work. If it's endorsed
and forwarded to the minister's office. Do they have any
responsibility to not just look at our official plan, but
do they consult with municipal staff. On any of their
thoughts, opinions or comments, or is it strictly they will
look at the information provided by the submitter and then
go based on. What our documents are that are available
to them on a website. Through you. Madam Mayor. Councilor,
my understanding is that. Ministry staff will consult with local
staff and regional staff on the proposed MZO before them
and have further discussions on it. So they're not just
making a decision in isolation. So at that point, Staff
would be providing an opinion to the minister which may
not have been shared yet. With council. Is that how
it would typically work? There wouldn't be a report that
would come to council prior to you providing that comment
to the ministry. Madam Mayor to the council? I guess
it depends on the request for information. If it's a
factual piece of information, we can certainly provide that to
ministry staff. If its opinion, that's something different. I'm just
trying to figure the timeline in my head. The minister
may or may not reach out to local staff or
the region, and then you may or may not be
required to provide a report. Rather opinion or, pardon me,
just fact. Through you. Madam mayor to the councilor. It's
solely at the ministry staff's. Discretion and the minister's discretion
on how they want to proceed with the request. Thank
you. So that answers my question. They may or may
not consult directly with the township of Scoogog. Staff. Okay.
Thank you. So I think what we've heard tonight. From
the residents, from. The correspondence that we've received. It seems
to be that. The common concern is the rush. I
really, truly hope that. If a deferral happens and staff
is able to review and provide their comment, or if
the minister comes back because we've endorsed this, and they
say that these studies are required. The questions of the
residents will be answered through facts, not. Through any other
means other than facts that would be provided by whatever
studies avenue would be required. To provide. While I represent
more two, I hear concerns from all of the community,
and oftentimes in my ward. There is great concerns about.
Develop. Development. No matter how small or large the developments
are, there's always concerns about development war. Ii has been
living through developments since as long as I've been a
counselor, and I think that's about eleven years. Almost ten,
Mr. Corrigan. But I believe it's been eleven years now,
so there's always going to be the concerns about. Development.
I would like to reserve any of. My comments or
thoughts. For once, we have actual facts provided to us
from whatever type of reports or studies are required. But
I will wait and see where council is going with
their decision making, and we'll see from there. But thank
you, director heritage, for answering that question for me because
I was kind of unsure how that would work with
the ministry. Thank you, Councilor Guido. Councilor Coyne. Thank you,
Madam Mayor. I don't think I've done as much reading
or as much research on any file since I've been
on council, as I have on this particular file. And
I came into council tonight. With my mind basically made
up as to how I was going to proceed. And
at this point in time, I have more research to
do, in my view, so that I can make a
logical decision. As councilor Guido says, based on fact. Which
will bear itself out in time. So I guess it
was just a statement more than a question. Thank you.
Thank you, councilor cohen. Councilor mcdougall. Thank you, Madam Mayor.
And thank you to my fellow councilors. Thank you to
Mr. Medhurst. In this group for his enthusiasm and interest
in our community. To our staff, I'd like to ask.
If this, instead of a yay or an a is
referred to staff, does that prevent us from. Staff. Recommending
to council that an MZ O is the best way
to proceed with this. Process. Through you, Madam Mayor. Through
you, Madam mayor to the councilor. No, it doesn't prevent
staff from. Providing an opinion or recommendation to council on
whether an mzido would be an appropriate course. Of action.
Okay, very good. So, knowing full well that. The region
of Durham at best, given. This u shaped proposal for
water because they won't allow this many units dead ended
on one water main has to go down. A new
road constructed across the wetland is at very best five
years away. If this is referred to stuff and it
becomes five years and two months or three months, I
don't think. It will really change the outcome as to
how soon this project can be constructed. At this point
in time. I wouldn't support moving ahead on an MZ
O. I would support referring this to staff to come
back to council with a fulsome recommendation. Thank you. Thank
you, council mcdougall. Councilor mark. I appreciate all of the
feedback that I've heard from all of the various counselors.
I don't find myself in an unusual position of being
the only one on one side. Of an issue. But
very clearly. Again, I will reiterate, the question before us
is around the Evans Eto and the only thing that
the MZ O is talking about is density and land
use. Nothing else, nothing more, nothing less. Nor does it
preclude any other ongoing assessments in all of the normal
process. So beyond this mz o that will outline density
and land use. Staff will be fully engaged in this
process as they go through site plan. And subdivision. So
the staff will not be without full. And ongoing. Inclusion
in this process. So just to be clear, The question
before us is around density and land use. And I'm
not sure. What benefit we have. From putting this project
back, from simply having. That question answered. By deferring this
to staff and this coming to us in September or
October or November. Whenever we will have that report. To
simply talk about the one issue of density and land
use. Staff will be engaged in all other aspects of
this development. Thank you, Councilor Rock. Councilor Dougl.
Douglas. I have noted that, though.
So I have several questions of staff as well. And
perhaps. You could clarify. Why we haven't had. Any.
Why we haven't done any of. The studies and so
on and so forth. Do they normally come after? Site
plan, application. Does it come into play that it's required
after a site plan application, I guess is. What I
mean. Madam mayor. Typically through a rezoning application. Studies are
submitted in conjunction with an application. Staff, hold a pre
consultation meeting and identify what the requirements are of the
applicant when they're considering submitting a rezoning application. And those
studies are required to be submitted in conjunction with the
set application. Okay. So, considering this. Has been. You've had
consultation with the proponent and you've had discussion. Have these
things been clarified to them that this needs to be
and is what they have submitted? Part of what would
be expected. Given that you haven't had a chance. To
go through the entire thing, but there are several studies
and so on and so forth that have been submitted
along. With the. Msetto, and I believe there was also
a planning justification submitted. So help me understand. If these
reports, the ones that we have received, Are part of
what we would normally ask for. Through rezoning. To you,
Madam Mayor. No, we haven't had a chance to fully
review the document submission. So I can't confirm if it
includes everything. That. We required, as we outlined in our
pre consultation meeting that we had with the applicant last
summer. What is indicated tonight is that further environmental studies
are still to be undertaken, so that would not. Be
a full, complete application. We would still need those studies
to review. To be deeming it a complete application for
zoning. Bile. That's just one example. Is that what you
have noted from what's been presented? In the documentation received
from avenue. It's from the information from tonight as well
as. My quick review of the document book that environmental
studies are forthcoming. Okay. So correct me if I'm wrong,
and I also spent much of the weekend going through
the documentation. And to councilor Rock's comments. On the Ontario
site where it speaks about the msetto orders. It explicitly
says that. Zillowing orders addressed the soning of the site,
but they do not provide a proponent with approval to
start construction and do not exempt them from getting other
downstream approvals, such as plans of subdivision approvals. Environmental approvals,
building permits, any other applicable permits. Director heritage is not
a correct statement as far as you know. Yes, that's
what's outlined on the provincial website. If nothing else is
achieved. Through this evening's presentations. The
public can rest assured. That even. If council were to
support an mzto. That the approvals. The requirements, everything. Will
still remain within. This municipality's oversight, is that correct? Madam.
Site plans are delegated to staff. Subdivisions are also a
delegated staff, but would come before council for approval. They
do not require a public meeting through an MZO, as
the presenter has outlined for you is that. There is
no public commenting available. Once it goes to the province.
For public consultation. There is a 30 day consultation window
that they will put on the environmental registry before they
make a decision. So correct me if I'm wrong. I
understood all along. That we couldn't hold a public meeting
because we didn't have anything to hold. It for? Madam
Mayor, I understand correct. From the request in December that
they wanted to go through. The community housing accelerator, or
the Chia, as it's referred to. And council's direction at
that time was. For staff once we received the documents,
including a planning justification report from the applicant. Staff would
review that with agencies as well as hold a public
open house because it's not statutorily required for Chia, and
then we would provide a recommendation before council to make
a decision as to whether they support the chia, a
similar process could happen, perhaps with them. Decides to do
that. But we did receive a planning justification, but we
did not hold a public meeting, correct? So, yes, we
have not held a public information session. With the public
from this request. Okay, thank you. I will probably go
out on a limb. And I know many people have
said many things about. This council and about myself. And
a lot of it is not pleasant. And. A lot
of it is falsehoods. And as councilor Wright said, we
do have. The best intentions and the best.
Heart. We have the best intentions for the best of
this community. And I don't think that any single one
of us would ever want to jeopardize. Our lake or
our environmental wetlands. But we also do have. Medical associates.
Who are saying. We can't bring doctors because we have
nowhere for them to live. Again.
We have had several meetings. With mr. Steve gray. And
if you want to call me on that, perhaps you'd
like to reach out to. Him, but I take offense.
That you think I would make that up? The people.
Of the grand mushroom farm. They have to truck their
people in because there is no affordable housing. Within this
community. I talked to the owner of the Tim Hortons.
On each street, he bustes his people. In as well,
because. There is no affordable housing. It's great. We live
in a fabulous community, but we have to look beyond.
What we have today. If we can't get in place
to come and work in our stores. If we can't.
We can ask you all to leave. Okay. We'll take
a ten minute reset. Thank you. All in favor?
Thank you, everyone. I'd like to call this meeting back
to order. And I will just finish. What I was
going to say is that I have always been an
advocate for affordable, attainable housing from 2010. That was part
of my campaign. I have not changed my opinion, but
I have given much to this community in the way
of trying to do our best to serve. Everyone well?
But we have to look beyond what we have today
and. We have to be looking forward. Is.
Past, deferred or defeated. I want you guys all to
know. That and to appreciate all the work, the time,
the consideration that goes into these meetings. And. I find
it offensive that you would question our integrity. On that
note. I appreciate all of you that have come here
to express your concerns. But you need to understand. That
we do understand your concerns. But we also have to
look at a big picture. Thank you. Okay, having said
that. I believe. The. Motion on the floor
or councilor Mariah has a motion to put on the
floor. For deferral. Which or referral. I'm sorry, not deferral.
Referral. And he would be looking for a second or
for that. And the referral. I asked the court to
walk all of us through. What this whole process means.
So that everyone in this room is clear on that.
So council currently has a motion moved by Councilor Rock,
seconded by Councilor Wright, which. Is to adopt the draft
motion that was provided on the agenda. Under nine point.
3.2, which is to seek an MZ O counselor. Leroy
has moved. A motion of referral, which would refer that
motion to the Planning and Development Committee for review. With
a request for a report back to the first meeting
of the planning committee. In September. Councilor Leroy. You need
a seconder. Thank you, Mr. Clerk. Is there anyone who
will second counselors? Referral to the motion. Councilor
MacDougall. Thank you. Are there any further comments or questions?
Do we have that on referrals or no? Mr clerk.
Can you have questions on referral? Yes. Okay, council guido.
Thank you, Madam Mayor. I'll start my question with a
comment. I live in a house that was built in
1873. I'm sure not everyone in this room can say
the same thing about the date of their home. At
one point, everyone's home was built. On land. And I'm
sure at that point there is always someone that was
not looking forward to a house being built on that
piece of land. Now for my question. Director Heritage. If
this referral passes. At that point, will it still be
the conversation about the MZO? So when the referral or
the recommendation report comes to us. In, I believe the
September date. Will this question of the Mzeto still be
what we will be debating on. Through you, Madam Mayor
to the councilor. That's my understanding is that if it's.
Referred back to staff, and no decision is made tonight
by this council that the issue of the MZO would
come forward at that time. There are a couple of
issues, though, that need to be considered. One is that.
Staff would engage. A public consultation or a consultation with
the agencies. We'd like to circulate this. Material to get
comments back. From the MECP, the region of Durham and
so on, as well as I guess there's. An issue
too. Do we hold further public consultation with the residents
in the area once we receive these comments back? From
the agencies. If I may, madam mayor. The further public
consultation with the community. Would that be specific on the
MZO topic and not all the other. Topics. That may
be a concern. Through you, Madam Mayor to the councilor,
that's my understanding, is that it would be. Specific to
the Mz O and bringing that forward. Okay. Thank you.
And for the September time. Frame that would allow. For
two months. For staff to do whatever circulation they need
to do. In an absence of replies from those agencies.
We would still meet our September deadline for a return
back to council. Through you, Madam mayor, to the councilor.
Staff could bring a report back to council for consideration.
At that point in time, but we may be missing
a number of comments from the agencies that have been
circulated. On the request for comments. Fair enough. Thank you.
Thank you, madamir. And I will just conclude. With one
further comment. I'm a parent of a 19 and a
16 year old, and I truly fear that. When they
finish their post secondary education. That they won't be able
to come back and call Scoogog home. I want them
to come back and call Scoogog home, but right now
they can't. Afford a 2000 square foot home or a
5000 square foot home or 1000 square foot home at
that matter. We need to find a way. To have
our future generations. We heard that this evening. For our
kids, our grandkids, our great grandkids. We need a way
to house that generation as well as the generation of
those who no longer are able to look after their
own home. But I'm not ready. To go anywhere else
yet. I am proud to call Scoogog home. I truly
am proud to call Scoogog home. And I want my
children, should they choose to want to live in Scoogog.
To be able to call Scoogog home as well, just
not maybe under my roof when they return, but under
their own roof. So. Madam Air, thank you for allowing.
The further comment on my part, and thank you, director
heritage, for the answer. Thank you, Councilor Gurdo. Councilor. Well,
thank you for the personal. Reflection, councilor Guido. I have
four children in their twenty s and I know none
of them. Currently live in Scogog because. There is no
affordable housing and nearly no affordable rental units for them
to stay here. I know. One of the four desperately
would like to move back here, and there is literally
nothing for him. To move back to rent to be
here. I find that we do desperately need affordable housing
and rental units. To keep the younger generation here. And
I will now ask a question. Through you about a
merit to director heritage. What are the questions that we're
going to be asking all of these agencies, will they
be limited and focused on the specific question around density
and land use. Madam Mayor to the councilor some of
the questions we'll be focusing on density and land use.
Other questions we'll be dealing with. Servicing. Servicing is a
major issue. For this development if there's no communal servicing.
My understanding is the development doesn't. Proceed. So there are
other issues that need to be addressed and what is
being requested in the mz o as well is that
you're looking at density, you're looking at housing. Form. You're
looking at all the performance standards as well. In the
zoning bylaw in terms of building height, lock coverage, building
setbacks, and so on. So it's far more than just
simply density and housing form. So if we were to
say yes to this tonight, We would be saying yes
to the very specific question on density. And land use.
And the rest of those questions would we dealt with
to my understanding and please correct me if I'm wrong
would be dealt with down the line in the process.
As site plans and development plans came to you for
review, is that correct? Of the councilor? Partially. We're still.
Looking at density. I agree. We're looking at housing form,
we're looking at all. The performance standards. As I said
in the zoning bylaw, there are a number of performance
standards. That have to be abided by, and that's what's
being included in the MZO building heights, lock coverage, building
setbacks the amount of landscaping associated with development. Commercial development.
Maximum gross floor area for commercial development. Parking requirements, buffer
areas. Because. The entire developable portion of the land at
this point in time is unknown. It's subject to further
review. But that would ultimately be included within the MZO.
Right. So, again. Just for clarification, you said partially. What
part wouldn't you be able to review? If they were
granted the mzeto, what would you be losing and what
wouldn't? You be losing before this council made a final
decision. Before shovels went in the ground. What? Would you
be losing in the process? From a control perspective of
you in your role. Three. A madam mayor to the
councilor. I think I indicated that in terms of. What
would be included in the MZ O, which would be
approved by the minister if it goes that far. I
would just be repeating everything in terms of. Individual. Or
density housing forms and that kind of thing. We wouldn't
be specifying that that would all be included within the
MZO. Right. So if they were to receive it at
the end of the day, though, they would still have
to come back, and they would have to prove that
all of those things were reasonable, feasible. And achievable. Before
shovel went in the ground through your department, is that
correct? So while you might not be participating, With the
choice of some of those performance factors, you would ultimately
be reviewing the documentation which proved that they were reasonable,
feasible and achievable. Through you, Madam mayor, to the councilor.
The staff would be reviewing those documents as part of
a site plan application or a draft plan. A subdivision.
Correct. So at the end of the day, whether you
had this level of input ahead of time. Or at
the end, you would still have control of this, but
the project would be moving forward. Were they to get
an MZ O to be able to gather all of
these information with a very definitive target in mind, is
that correct? Mayor to the councilor. One of the considerations
we'd like to have. That staff would like to bring
forward is some consultation with our legal counsel. To see
what actual commitments are being made through the MZO process
and what we're actually losing. I want to fully understand
that through our legal counsel before I can give you.
A response. So I will direct my final question to
Councilor Leroy. Hearing that. They will ultimately be responsible for
saying yes or no to any of these things in
what they're received. I really struggle to understand why this
is going to be referred and why we're not. Making
a simple decision on a very straightforward. Very defined and
limited question tonight. Councillor McDougal.
Thank you, Madam Mayor. I'm just pulling up my spot.
So should this be referred through Madam Mayor to Director
heritage? Should this be referred to staff? The Ministry of
Municipal Housing Affairs. Has. Submission expectations. So if this Mzo
is submitted by the township of Skugog, it is expected
to meet those submission expectations. Is that correct for you?
Madamir to Director Heritage. Through you. Madam Mayor to the
councilor. That's correct. The submission expectations are outlined on the
ministry's website. And I can read some of them for
you, if you wish. For. Certainly, Madam Mayor, such as
anticipated timelines related to applying for downstream approvals. For example,
site plan a subdivision building permit. Thanks. Servicing may be
in there as well. The right spot. Correct. Justification for
the exemption of the application of provincial and local land
use policies to downstream approvals anticipated timelines, anticipated timing for
project completion, justification for the use of any of the
enhanced authorities. Which is not relevant. Information related to how
and when servicing wastewater water will be addressed. And the
commitment that if the zoning order is made, the landowner
notify the minister 30 days. In advance of the sale
of any land it applies to. So further through you,
Madam Mayor. Question to Director heritage, I believe. The question
at hand before the deferral was placed before us. Was
is the township of Scoogog going to make application for
this MZO on? Behalf of Avenue properties. I think that's
how it's structured. Is that correct to you, Madam Mayor.
Three. Madam Mayor to the councilor, my understanding is that
the applicant is requesting council to support. Their application for
an MZO to the minister, okay. And then further through
you, Madam Mayor, in supporting their application. Are we content
that all these things are contained within their application. To
Director heritage. Mr. Ca.
Cadamair, it's my understanding that the applicant is asking us
to apply on their behalf from the MZO, not just
to support the MZO. Thank you through your madamor and
as Mr. Cao. We heard earlier. Are you content that
all of these things are in the application should we
decide to move ahead? In supporting the mzto. I cannot
comment on whether everything is or is not. At this
point. Okay, that's all. Thank you, madam. Councilor rock.
I just wanted to address. The question before by Councilor
McDougall, I would presume that. The quickest way to this.
Not moving forward would for it to be not complete.
So if we submitted a not complete report on their
behalf, this would go down in flames. Pretty quickly. Council
liber. Liberty. Yes. Thank you, Madam Marin. I will reply
to Councilor Rock's question to me. I believe in a
certain amount of process, and what I'm looking for is
merely two. Months, which. Isn't a lot in the scope
of a development application of this scale. Honestly, we've seen
more input from staff on surplus farm severances than we
have. For this 600 unit development proposal. In it. I
am entirely in favor of affordable and attainable housing and
actually quite supportive of many of the ideas in this
plan, but I do think it behooves us to. At
least take a few minutes to have staff look at
it. Every proposal that has come to us has come
with a staff report. I value what that insight might
produce. It could be that the recommendation is to support
the Mz. O it could be. The recommendation is that
we need a further study in order to get to
that support. I don't think this is something that's going
to be decided tonight, but. A two month delay in
this project I don't feel will be unduly onerous. To
the proponent and it might give us a bit more
information. That would be beneficial for the development as a
whole. So this is my thought process behind that. Request.
Others may disagree. But to Councilor Rock's specific question. It's
procedural for me. And also informational is kind of what
I'm looking to receive from staff in this matter. Thank
you. Thank you, Councilor Leroy. Are there any further comments?
Thank you. So. The question is or the referral is
on the floor. That the motion be referred. And. Staff.
The planning and development staff report back to the planning
and community affairs meeting in September 2024. If there are
no further comments, then we will call the question. For
this. Sorry. Yes, it is recorded. Not on this. No,
it was on the other. Sorry. So I will call.
All in favor of. The referral motion. All in favor?
That's for. That is Carrie. Okay, so we
can expect that we will have a report back at
planning and community affairs meeting. In September. Thank you very
much. And we will move on now to our consent
agenda.
Okay, sorry. We'll just wait till the chamber clears for
those that want to leave.
Or whatever. Just speak to them for a moment.
Okay. In the interest of moving forward. We do have
a consent agenda before us. And at this point in
time, We have 10.1.4 and 10.1.8. Pulled.
10.2.6 and 10.2.7. Are there any others that you would
like pulled? Anyone.
10.1. Point 410.1 .8.
10.2.6 and 10.2.7. And we will.
Yes. Specifically.
10.1.4. So that councilor McDougall has declared on that report,
so we are pulling that, so. That he can vote
on everything else. And what are these ones? Which.
In turn. Maybe not. Maybe I got that wrong.
Okay. All the bylaws are fine as well. So if
there are no further polls, we'll. Have a mover and
a seconder for the consent agenda, please. Councilor larry. Councilor
guido. All in favor?
Thank you. And that is carried. Okay. So we will
now do 10.1.4. And. That is the minutes of the
gpna, june 3. Save an exciting section 9.4. Section 9.4.
He's going to skip the whole thing. Okay, so. We'll
just vote on 10.1.4. Do we need to move her
in? A seconder. Sorry I asked that. I should have.
Okay. Thank you. That was Councilor Wright, Councilor Guido. All
in favor? Sorry. We're doing 10.1.4. We pulled that individually
because councilor McDugal had a conflict. Did you want to
speak? To it. Sorry. Yeah. I have one question. It
was my understanding that coming out of the GPNA meeting,
That. Information would be disseminated. On the basis. Of our
approval. Just wanted to ask manager Hendry. Have we started
sending the documentation around? Sorry. I'm trying to remember what
exactly. We had promised to begin circulation.
Of the circulation. Yes. On Birchwood. There was a question
of. At the end of the meeting, there'd be circulation.
In a 20 day appeal. Have we started that? The
circulation of the documentation coming out of that. The mayor
to the councilor. We are very close to circulating the
site plan application. I just. Received. The bila has to
be passed tonight for approval, but I will be circulating
the site. Plan application. This week. To receive agency comments.
So just a quick follow up question, I guess. Why
have we lost a week? What was missing? Over the
last week. Married to the councilor had a meeting on
Friday with the applicant to discuss the matters that we
discussed on Monday night what would be required to make
a complete application. In the meeting, we included regional works
as well as our peer ecologist, and it was understood
as to what their requirements were, be one of them
included the draft 40 r plan. And. We have since
received that. And so late this evening as well, we
did receive some additional information that would deem the application
complete, so we'll be processing. That. Should council approve the
application tonight? Sure. So that application will be. Circulated. So
when does the 20. Days clock start? Did it start
last week or is it starting now? Because again, these
people want to get open. So I just want to
make sure everybody has a definitive understanding of when the
clock is starting. Because they have a lot of work
to do to be an opening. So through the mayor
to the counselor. It's a 20 day appeal period after
council makes a decision, so it's. 20 days after the
clerk sends notice when that clock will start ticking, so
it'll be up to. The clerk to send notice of
that. That is, when? If council chooses to approve it
tonight and. There's no appeals. Then the decision will be
final. We still need to work through the site plan
agreement. It's a letter of undertaking. So we're going to
be starting that process ASAP. And then after. Staff and
the applicant. Have the signed letter of undertaking. They still
need to complete their building permit process. Finalize that before
they can start occupying those units. Anything further, Councilor Rob?
Yeah, I guess what I just heard was not my
understanding coming out of GPNA, and it seems as though
a lot more time has been added to the clock
for them. So that was not my understanding. My understanding
is we were going to be trying to execute the
letter of understanding. In the same time frame as the
20 day appeal period. So I guess I'm really. Concerned
is when are these people going to be able to
open. I really think we all need a very clear
answer to that question. Should. The matter of the councilor.
Can I just ask for a clarification? Are we. Talking
about Birchwood right now? Because right now we have general
purpose and administration meeting minutes. I'm sorry. I thought we
were on planning. My apologies. I'm so sorry. May I
suggest we continue on rather than start over? We thought
already consented. That one was already consent. Sorry we pulled
the wrong one. My apologies. It's done. That's fine. Okay.
Councilor ruck should have picked up on that as well.
Okay. 10.1.8 councilor Guido, you pulled that.
Second. Replace first. Councilor Lorraine. Thank you. Go ahead, councilor
Guido. Thank you, Madam Mayor. Through you. To. Acting director
Frasco. In the minutes it speaks to. And I'm sorry,
I don't have them up. Yes. It speaks to the
automated cart collection. Pilot that is due to take place
in a particular route in Scoogog, do we know which
route that is. And have those residents been notified yet
that they will be part of? This pilot. Through you,
Madam Mayor. I don't know if they've been consulted yet.
Or. If the region has reached out to them. But
I do have the map location that I can't put
up, but I will. Physically. Or I can tell you
where the borderlines are. And the region is looking to
run the one year pilot on the regional road 21
as being the limit south to Townline Road. And lake
ridge road. East to Simcoe street, so that's the quadrant
that they'll be working on. Old Simcoe will only be.
The only part of the pilot will be from Simcoe
street. To scoop line four. That last piece to King
street is not included. So that is the quadrant area.
I have found some information that we received from the
region. As a letter, and I can read some of
that to you. That would answer your question. The Waste
Management Services branch of the works department, in participation with
Miller Waste systems, is conducting a pilot project to assist
with the impact of an automated cart based residential garbage
collection program. As per the works Committee report 2024. WR
four and approved from regional council on May 29, 2024.
The pilot project will commence in the township of Scoogog
on July 12, 2024, and will run for a period
of one year. Over the coming weeks, the residents in
the pilot project area will receive an information package from
the region, including them to the pilot, providing details about
the automated cart collection and how to participate in the
pilot project Miller waste system will also be delivering a
one wheeled. Sorry, one wheeled gar. Garbage cart to the
resident. On the resident's regular garbage collection day. Each participating
household will be asked to roll the cart to the
curb with the garbage inside for the collection. I've been
told the cart size can hold up to four regular
garbage bags. And. They wheel quite easily to the end
of the curve. Wonderful. Thank you for that information and
my assumption would be that there is no additional cost
to the residents to participate in this, that their bin
will be provided to them from Miller through you. Madam
Mayor, I'm under the same. Assumption. Wonderful. Thank you. Thank
you. Moving on to 10.2.6. Count adopted. Oh, sorry. We
need a motion. To. Adopt. So, all in favor?
Thank you. Moving on to 10.2.6. Finance 2024 00:27 the
2023 operating surplus councilor Leroy. You asked to have this
poll. Could we have a seconder, please? Councilor McDougall. Thank
you. And councilor Laroy, did you have questions? Yes, I
do. Thank you, Madam Director Barda. When the strategic review
was discussed last day, counsel and we discussed. Various investments
that would be required. Most of them were related to
human capital, so hiring people and almost all of them
were covered by anticipated revenues, with the exception of the
communications hire and the human resources higher. So I'm not
sure I understand. Why we want to allocate a million
dollars of the surplus. To the review objectives. When I
thought most of the objectives were already being financed. Through
you, Madam Mayor. The service delivery and organizational review was
done partway through the year. So the balance of the
requirement for the staffing was not included in the 2024
budget. The additional fees that we anticipate collecting. Are. May
cover part of that cost for 2024. But we are
not positive that we will have enough. Earned in fees
in the latter part of the year to cover all
of the costs. So we need some flexibility. Within. The
reserve to offset the difference in that area. There are
also other initiatives that were mentioned in the service delivery
review that staff are pursuing. With council's authorization that there
is a cost to such as. The review of salaries.
For all staff and council. There will be a cost
for that. And there are other initiatives that are planned
that there will be costs, and we wanted the fees
to be. In the municipal projects reserve or the surplus
to cover. Any of these program costs once they come
to council for approval. Thank you. Direct barter. I believe
RCAO has something to add. Go ahead, Ken. Thank you,
Madam Mayor. We did talk about them being the majority
of positions being fully cost recovered in the next year's
budget. We needed to gap this year to get there,
and I believe. I can't remember the exact words, but
I believe it was gap. But I just wanted. To
indicate that the full million. Is not for the service
delivery review. It's also modernization initiatives and setting some funding
aside, so that we can continue with technology enhancements over
the next while if we don't. Set it aside. We
have to either not do technology enhancements in the future
or raise it through taxes. So this gives us the
opportunity to do that. So it's not all related specifically
to the sdor. I'm still not sure I entirely understand.
Because. It's a significant amount of money. And I don't
recall having discussions when we were looking at the service
delivery review. That amounted to this figure. And my understanding
from the report is, should it be distributed as would
normally be, it'd be 20% to roads, 25% to vehicles,
25% buildings and facilities, 25% to municipal projects reserve fund.
So. I may be misunderstanding, but when I look at
this, it seems to me we're allocating. A million dollars
to the municipal projects reserves fund instead at 25% of
that figure. But perhaps I'm misinterpreting this. I'm open to
clarification on that. That's a correct interpretation. It's being put
there because we believe the need. For modernization is going
to require. Some additional funds. That. For the future. I
don't know if director Barto wants to add any more,
but I think your. Comment is exactly correct. I would
agree. The policy does state that the surplus should be
split based on the percentages. That you quoted. And I
have put 200,000 towards that. It was suggested that. A
substantial portion of the surplus be allocated to cover the
initiatives for the service delivery review. And the modernization, the
continued modernization of. Our technical area. I'm open to suggestions
if you would like to see it go. Otherwise. But
keeping in mind that if we have a problem, With
the service delivery, it would come back to council to
be funded from another source. Yeah. Sorry. Don't mean to
drag this out, but can you tell me what is
the. Current amount in the municipal projects reserve fund. If
we're proposing to add a million dollars. To it. What
is it currently standing at? I have to look that
up. I don't have an Andy story. A lot of
it is already committed to other projects. But if you
give me a couple of minutes, I'll see if I
can sign in. And sign up. I guess, generally. My
point is, we have many needs and we have quite
a few reserve funds. And I'm surprised that of this
recommendation to allocate the entire balance of this fiscal year
as surplus to one account for something that I thought
was already mostly costed out. I'm just kind of surprised.
Director brighter, do you have any idea? Of cost for
the modernization that we are hoping to achieve moving forward,
that we are putting that in. Perhaps that could help.
A little bit. With. Why we're putting so much into
that resurfone. Or even a past example. Of modernization costs.
Sorry. You, madam Mayor, I'm not aware of anything. Specifically
planned that is not currently in the capital budget. But
DCAO may have. Okay, Mr. Nicks, I think one of
the challenges. That raised our eyebrows is with the CRM.
We were looking for some integration with the current. Work
order management asset management system that would allow the end
of flow from end to end and we're still waiting.
For quotes for it, but. We have the understanding it
could be upwards of 200,000 for that one integration, so
that's why we were being cautious in putting some money.
One final question, then. I guess I'm Leery. Of perhaps
explains me. If this amount is assigned to the Municipal
Projects reserve fund, does not mean it is inaccessible for
other purposes. Should we determine other uses for this fund?
This revenue or is there another reserve account that is
general purpose where we might consider allocating? That surplus. Realizing
that we're going to be going through a budget process
fairly soon again, and we have this surplus. That may
play into considerations to decision making for 2025. I think
this is the general one. Is it the general one?
For example, I recall we were locked into certain uses
for development. Exactly. Okay, that clarifies. Then, for me, that
gives me more reassurance that. This isn't just been decided
that we're spending a million dollars on a CRM. System.
Okay. Thank you. Are there any. Are there any further
questions for this report? Then I'll call the question. All
in favor? And that's carried. Thank you, Director Barda. Moving
on to 10.2.7. And that's the capital project status report
as of May 31, 2024. Councilor Wright. You wanted this
polled. And is there a seconder, please. Councilor McDugal. Thank
you. And go ahead, Councilor Wright. Thank you, Madam Mayor.
And thanks for the. Capital reports update on what's happening.
In township with all the projects. As I drive around
my ward, I see a lot of things. Starting to
happen. See, Nestleton Road has got ground off and gravel
laid down and been being restored to a great shape,
but as a drive down job road, I do not
yet see a new bridge. I was just wondering. How?
The tendering is going on that. And the timeline is
when we'd be able to see construction started on that
project. If I could. Through, madam there. To acting Director
Fraska. Through you. Madam Mayor to the councilor. We will
begin mobilizing to the job road bridge. In actually the
second week of July. So it's coming up very quick.
Through our permits. We can't break ground before July 15,
so the preparation is going to be more of. The
soil and erosion control, that sort of thing. Prepping the
site, but they will be breaking ground very shortly. Very
good. Thank you. And actually, there's another one very, quite
close to that, too, as you just back up the
hill a little bit, back up to the township yard.
There is a project on for the rehabilitation of the
sand dome this year. Is that still going? Ahead, or
is that based on capacity? To you, madam, there. Through
you, Madam Mayor, to the council that is still going
ahead. We've. Had to rewrite the RFP based on the
consultant's findings. When we did examine the dome, so it
took a little bit more time. But I'm hoping to
proceed this summer. Okay. And if I could finish it,
does that mean there's more work to be done? Is
it more than just reshingling the dome? Is there structural
problems with that structure through you, Madam Mayor? Yes. We
found some concrete concerns. Some holes in the concrete that
we're still not sure if they can be repaired. Which
is why we're going to put the RFP out to
see. What kind of response we get from contractors and
what can be repaired. And then I'll have to report
back to council if it can't be done. Okay. Thank
you very much, director. Mayor. Thank you, Councilor Rock. Thank
you, Madamarin. Through you. To manager Frosco. I just wanted
to see if I could get a quick update on
second access. It was originally in the planned. Second axis
design would be wrapped up by the end of this
year, and hopefully we'd have shovels and ground by the
end of this year or spring of 2025 is the
last update I've gotten on the timeline. Where are we
at on that? Because I not heard anything. Just wanted
to see. So, you mad? Mayor to the councilor. We've
received our comments from Msifn. We are looking to set
up a meeting to have consultation with them to go
through. Some of their comments. Okay.
Again, though. I think we still have a lot of
elements, such as design. Location. Land acquisition. Soil studies, all
of which were supposed to be completed by the end
of this year. Are we on track for that? I
appreciate that. We got comments back from the MSiFn. But
that seems to be the smallest part of many, many
way more important things that need to be done. Not
that it isn't important, but we have major things still
outstanding. Through your matter, mayor to the councilor. I don't
have dates right now in terms of how we're going
to proceed. It's under my assumption that we're going to
meet with MSIfn first. To discuss. The. Different options we
have. For the roots. And we're going to move forward
after that. Mr. Cao has something to add. I think
councilor Rock is correct that it will not be according
to the original schedule. I'm convinced we'll be delayed in
terms of moving forward. Anything further, Councilor Rock? Yeah. I
appreciate that honesty. But if I look at the capital
projects, the budget year for second axis was 2019. We're
five years on. From this process. Of when it got
budgeted. And this has been talked about since 20 years
in second access. 20 years. 25 years. And to
the other strategic documentation and updates on strategic plan. Second,
access was very high on our strategic priorities, and I
feel as though. If we are not going to meet
these deadlines, we really need to figure out. The deadlines
and reiterate that to people who have been operating under
the expectation that this was going to get going later
this year or early next, especially. If we're wildly behind
those timelines because some people have been waiting for 20
years. For this, so I would appreciate. Us figuring this
out. And building. Some achievable timelines and making sure that
this is still moving forward. Thank you, Councilor. Councilor McDougall.
Sorry. Yes, thank you, Madam Mayor. Briefly, it's late. One
I'd like to thank. Director Barda for assisting me. I
asked many questions on this report earlier. In terms of.
I was going to sort it and just see. How
old our projects were. There's a lot of. Monetarily value
speaking wise on this project. It's a large amount in
the capital status report, and I think this represents a
lot. Of projects that we haven't seen. To your point,
councilor Rock, a lot of projects. That are in the
pipe that are budgeted to be done but are not
done yet. And I'm looking at Mr. Fosca and Dan
in here as well. And I'm appreciating how hard and
how difficult all of these projects are. And I'm looking
forward to the future. When. We have more resources that
we can get these projects moving. So thank you to
everybody for their assistance on this report and bringing. It
forward. Thank you, Councilor McDougall. So are there any further
questions or comments to this report? If not, we'll call
the question. All in favor? And that is carried. Thank
you very much. That is the end of the. For
this evening. And. There's no items for separate discussion, no
notices of motion, no new business. Any general information. Anybody
forgot to impart this evening? No. Okay. I don't know
what to score it, okay? So we'll have a motion
for the confirming bylaw 30 24, please. Councilor Rock, councilor
McDougall, all in favor? Thank you. And that is carried.
And a motion for adjournment. Councilor Guido. Councilor. Rock. Thank
you. Anyone not want to adjourn? All in favor? And
that's Jerry. Thank you. Thank you, everyone. Have a good
evening. What's left? Of it.