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Good evening, everyone. I'd like to call this special counsel

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meeting to order July 13th, 2026. And I will ask

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for a disclosures of pecuniary interest in nature thereof. Councillor

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Guido. Thank you, Madam Mayor. And if

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you. Just give me one moment. The integrity commissioner has

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advised that I have a limited restriction with respect to

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my participation in Council's debate on item 5. 1. 1.

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Fairgrounds visioning exercise final report. It's attachments and related delegations.

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I have a deemed indirect interest in today's debate on

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the basis that my in - laws home is located

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near the blue crosshatched area indicated at the top left

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and top right of zone 1 of the conceptual diagram

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set out in the CAOs and the consultants reports. My

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interest is limited to site - specific matters, which may

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be raised respecting those areas of zone one. But otherwise,

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my pecuniary interest I might have in the report and

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today's debate is subject to the interest in common exception

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set out in paragraph 4 J of the municipal conflict

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of interest asked. Therefore, if we are discussing that particular

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section of the fairgrounds, I will have to recuse myself,

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otherwise I will be able to fully participate in the

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conversation. Thank you very much, Councillor. Moving on, I would

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ask that you would join me stand and join me

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in a moment of silence.

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Thank you, please be seated.

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Skewgog is situated on treaty land that is steeped and

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rich indigenous history. Today, we acknowledge that we are gathering

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on the traditional territories of the Mississaugas of Scugog Island

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First Nation. We recognise and deeply appreciate the historic indigenous

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connection to this land and recognise the contributions First Nations,

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Maite, and Inuit's Peoples have made both in shaping and

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strengthening this community in particular, our province and country as

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a whole. We are grateful for the opportunity to meet

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here, and we thank all the generations of people who

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have taken care of this land for thousands of years.

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Now I will ask for any announcements from Council and

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Staff. And I will start with you, Councillor Wright. Thank

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you, Madam Mayor. On July 3rd and 4th, the Black

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Stock Agricultural Society hosted the 50th annual truck and tractor

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pole in Blackstock. There was a great crowd out for

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both nights. We had a little rain on Saturday night

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that slowed things up a bit, but kept the dust

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off the track. We also had a special vintage poll

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in honour of the 50th anniversary, and we had one

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pillar attend that was at the original Paul 50 years

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ago, and he pulled with the same tractor he pulled.

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Then 50 years ago. Quite an accomplishment. Also coming up

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on the August long weekend Lake Scu Agrigata in Caesarea.

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Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, starting with the volleyball tournament. There's

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a parade Saturday at 10. 30 and races and games

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for the kids in the afternoon, and Sunday the pancake

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breakfast at the fire hall. So please mark it on

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your calendars and try to attend. Thank you, Adam. Thank

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you very much, Madam Mayor. Thank you, Councillor Wright. Any

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other announcements? Councillor Guido. Thank you, Madam Mayor. I thought

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I would take advantage of the fact that we have

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a very large crowd here this evening to highlight the

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fact that Sharon Rennes from branching out is doing a

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wonderful initiative for remembrance date and has engaged with the

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community. Maybe some of you have participated in the creation

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of the poppies. The next ask is that they are

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looking for a location to dry the tableaus once they

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are taken down from the township building in November. They

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need to be kept together and dried. So if anybody

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has a very large space that they are willing to

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allow these poppies to be dried in, if you can

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connect with Sharon at branching outflowest, Madame Mer, that would

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be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Thank you, Council Guido Councillor

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LaRoye. Yes, and through you, Madam Mayor. I just want

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to offer a congratulations to the Second Annual Touch of

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Truck event that happened on July 10th this past week

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at the Port Peri Fairgrounds. It was another successful event.

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It's been a hugely popular community activity at the Fairgrounds,

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so congratulations to Bress, Inc., who organised it, and congratulations

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to all who supported Big Brothers and Big Sisters who

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were the beneficiaries of the funds raised at this event.

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Thank you very much. Councillor La Roy. Are there any

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other announcements from anyone? Seeing none, are there any announcements

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from staff. Seeing none. Then we'll move on. Today's agenda

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includes a discussion regarding the final fission document from Darwin

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Pivot, detailing results from your voice, your fair grants public

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consultation. The accompanying recommendations for future use and the complementary

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report from staff detailing the financial and implementation options for

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the property. I thank the members of the community who

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have attended in person today, and to those who have

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tuned in online. As per our procedure bylaw, we are

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welcoming a number of delegates to the chambers today. Council

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and members of the community are encouraged to express their

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opinions and be respectful of our meeting etiquette. A fear

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reminders before we get started. The washrooms are out in

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the hall area, the fire exit is marked, just head

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back down the stairs. Attendees in the gallery, we thank

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you in advance for respecting these proceedings. Please refrain from

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clapping, emotional outbursts, and shouting, or behaviour intended to disrupt

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the delegates, discussions, or general proceedings. We are live streaming.

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This meeting tonight and want to ensure that the recording

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and audio runs smoothly. Only members of council and the

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municipal staff shall be permitted to answer the council floor

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during the City of Council of Or Committee. I'd like

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to address comments regarding our procedural bylaw. We have a

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few delegates this evening, and we want to ensure everyone

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who has registered to speak be given the opportunity. Delegates

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are reminded that you will be given five minutes to

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speak. Please watch your time, and there is an accountdown

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clock. Delegates must come forward, and speak into the microwave

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state microwave, microphone. Why are you speaking the microwave too,

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I guess? But anyway, and state for the record, your

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name and municipal address. We appreciate Delegate's respecting the decorum

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and the rules of procedure of this meeting. A stated

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on the signs at the entrance, and in bylaw 66

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Speak on any subject other than the subject for which

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they have given notice to address the committee. Disobey the

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Decision of the Chair. Enter into debate with councillors, council

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members, or appropriate any unused time allocated to another delegation

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or presenter. Ladies and gentlemen, we want to have the

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opportunity to hear from everyone, and we appreciate your cooperation

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on this. I may call a recess if attendees do

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not adhere to what has just been outlined. Those who

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are disruptive may be asked to leave the meeting and

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to vacate the premises. Again, I know you are here

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because you care about our township and this matter. I

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trust that you will demonstrate respect for this process in

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kindness to one another. Thank you. So at this time,

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we will move on, and again, remind each delegate five

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minutes, and that please just present your case, so to

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speak. There will not be questions. Asked of staff or

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of council, correct? Clerk, thank you. Okay. And okay, so

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the first delegation is from Mr. Paul Puckran, the Port

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Perry Ex Society, regarding the fairgrounds visioning exercise. Please come

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forward, Mr. Bucker.

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Welcome and - Best test. Go ahead. Okay, sorry, thank

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you. Okay, my name is Paul Puckerin. I live at

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16175, Simcal Street North here in Port Perry. Mayor Watton

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and members of Council, I am here as president of

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Port Perry Agricultural Society to State that we have been

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deceived and betrayed by the visioning project. The Darwin Pivot

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Consultants did what they were hired to do. The problem

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is the township of Scugog staff report and the recommendations

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within it. The consultant does not recommend the sale of

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four acres. It is the staff report that recommends the

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sale. The consultant does not recommend the termination of the

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portiacultural society's lease. It is the staff report that recommends

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the termination of the lease. I want to address the

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practical effects of these recommendations. There is no firm plan

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for site improvements in the staff report. There is no

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budget for them. There's no valuation of the four acres

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proposed for sale. Council is being asked to give direction

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on the disposition of public parkland without knowing what will

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be built, what it will cost, or what the land

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is worth. By any measure of sound administration, that direction

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is premature. Your own consultant said as much. Start with

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modest, reversible steps first. Make major decisions only after feasibility

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work and further community involvement. The staff report recommendations start

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with the most consequential, irreversible steps. Since 1910, the agricultural

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society has been the fairgrounds working tenant and caretaker. Paying

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the utilities, carrying the insurance, maintaining the grounds, all through

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volunteer effort and at no cost to taxpayers. The recommendation

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to end our tennessee sell off a portion of the

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property and offer the site back to us a few

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days a year under a revocable permit is not acceptable.

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A permit is no substitute for a lease. A fair

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is not an event that arrives on a weekend. It

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is assembled over a full year, fundraising insurance, entertainment, and

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vendors are booked. Many months, to years ahead. No volunteer

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organisation can meet these commitments under terms that can be

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revoked at any time. Whatever the intent, the practical effects

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would be the death of the fair and the demise

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of over 170 years of tradition. Residents were continually assured

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by the mayor and council that the grounds were not

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for sale and that no developed discussions were underway. Citizens

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will remember these assurances. And if counsel chooses to honour

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them. The community has spoken through every channel available surveys,

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letters, petitions, and packed public meetings. And its message has

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been overpowering. Keep the fairgrounds whole. The agricultural society is

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not resistant to change. The society has long desired year

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- round programming. Better public access, and a busier, more

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welcoming site. And we are prepared to fundraise, pursue grants,

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and bring sponsors to the table to help pay for

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it. Agriculture is not a museum piece. Every meal begins

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with a farmer. And a working fairground is the best

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classroom this community has to demonstrate that truth. Council initiated

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this controversy when it deferred the heritage committee's recommendation that

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the fairgrounds property be designated a heritage site. Then council

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refused to negotiate a lease with the agricultural society. Matters

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were made worse with the decision to spend taxpayers'money on

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this unnecessary visioning exercise and are now compounded by the

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recommendations in the staff report. Council should carefully weigh the

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question of whether they have a mandate from the community

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to implement the staff recommendations. All but one of you

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was a claim to office. Although we are deeply disappointed

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that the actions of council have brought us here, we

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are incredibly grateful to the residents of Skewgog for their

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overwhelming support for the preservation of the fairgrounds. I'll request

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our reasonable. One, current council should simply receive the consultants

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report for information and take no further action. Two, reject

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any sale of any portion of the fairgrounds park. Three.

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Renew the society's lease so that more than a century

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of faithful stewardship can continue for future generations. And finally,

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defer any irreversible decision until a new council is elected

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with a clear mandate. Thank you. Thank you very much.

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Mr. Parkran. Are there any questions or comments. Council Sirok.

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Thank you for coming to present tonight, Mr. Puckering. And

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I've heard what you said and I understand your position

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entirely. I just want to make a clarification. Um, help

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me understand how a year ago there are agricultural society

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was here advocating for redevelopment of this site. Right? And

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what exactly do you mean by redevelopment? Well, the Ackerpark,

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right? The Agra part, if you had read, if you

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had read, you would discover that was a very ambitious

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project. That was a concept. We came up with a

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committee, and what we wanted to do was what could

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it be? What could this be for the community? How

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could we enhance it to make this available and more

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usable for the entire community? It was ambitious. There's no

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doubt about it, okay? If you look at the recommendations

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we came up with, the vast majority of those recommendations

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were the same recommendations and suggestions that Darwin pivot came

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up with in their visioning process. And, and, we did

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it for free. We did not pay 100, 000 dollars

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of the taxpayer's money that was put forward. That would

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have redeveloped this site. And would have left less than

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19 acres. I disagree. Well, the website. We can visit

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a website and we can take a look at the

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development. That was a concept. But you were advocating for

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that. That was a concept to initiate discussion. I'm not

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here to debate with you. I'm here to answer your

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questions. I'm asking a question of - And what don't

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you understand? Why was it something that you thought was

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okay to develop. When it was never cast in stone?

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It was a concept. It was a concept. It was

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a concept. It was not cast in stone. Not many

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people were here advocating for us to approve. So you

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could be gathering. No, we didn't ask you to approve

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that. We can go back and look at this. Please

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do it. There were many people advocating for us to

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support this so you could begin raising money to do

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that. Right? So what about it bothered you so much?

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I'm sorry. I'm not supposed to be debating with you.

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I'm just asking the question. I am confused as to

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why it would be. You are confused a lot. Why?

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Okay. When it's your idea. And normally develop a small

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portion of it. I'm sorry, but this was a concept

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to promote discussion. Which we never really got the opportunity

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to do, did we? Right. So after, I think the

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part that you're, okay, gentlemen. Gentlemen. Turn your. Leg on.

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Robin. Or speak into. The mic. I'm confused after 110

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years how every time you come for a release, you

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talk about the things that you guys are going to

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do, but it still hasn't been developed. Why is it

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every nine years we hear all of the amazing things

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you're going to do and they don't get done? It

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is still undeveloped. Why this time, do we believe Charlie

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Brown's going to kick the football on this one when

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it comes to you guys developing this? I'm at a

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loss to understand this. It is an ongoing promise. It

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hasn't happened. 110 years, it hasn't happened. So why are

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we to believe that this time magically will be the

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time that you do it, right? I believe very firmly

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that this report gave everybody a win. Because as much

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as you say, everybody in this community was very, you

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know, very succinct on don't do anything. But I can

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see Mr. Corgan sitting over here, who himself and many

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other people advocated for senior housing. Right. It's something that

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our community desperately needs. There are nearly four acres, North

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End of Canterbury Comet scheduled for seniors housing. And it's

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been sitting vacant since it was approved in 2017. There's

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approval south of town for 240 condo units. Is it

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being done? Is it being worked on? No, it isn't.

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Nothing. Exactly. It's not developer because there's no demand. No,

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because that developer isn't doing it. There is demand. What

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about the one up in Canterbury? I'm sorry. We're not

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supposed to be adding this debate. Are there... Thank you,

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Councillor Rock. Are there any further questions for Mr. Pucker.

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Councillor Guido. Good evening, Mr. Pechren. Good evening. Just a

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question. Some of the social media posts that the agricultural

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society has put out is regarding missed opportunities regarding grant

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funding. Has this agricultural society. Applied for grant funding and

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been denied because of the lack of lease? Yes. No,

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we haven't applied because the point. Now we have got

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grants in the past as you're well aware. But with

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a limited lease, who's going to give you a grant?

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It's the same with your volunteers. It's the same with

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people contributing money, you know, materials, everything else. If you

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don't have a lease, what's the point? Right. Especially now

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with a monthly lease. Thank you. So I'm sorry. That

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was a long answer to a short question, but no,

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we haven't applied recently. It's pointless. Okay, thank you. No,

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I was just trying to qualify that. Um, I know

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that some of the posts were indicating that a 10

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- year lease is a requirement for some of these

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grants. Right. A lot of the grants that are available

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require a five - year lease, 10 - year would

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give you ultimate access to, I guess, uh, grant funding.

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But I just was wanting to clarify if any were

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actually applied for and denied based on the fact of

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Nolisa available. I haven't applied because it was pointless. Okay.

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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor Guido. If it

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was, but you had two or three ten year lease.

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So what about the previous leases? They weren't pointless. No,

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and we got grants. That fence was a grant. We

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put grants. Of course. Did you did you have the,

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and I'm asking, I don't know. Um, normally grants require

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the letter of support from, from council, did you have

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that? I assume we did. If they were required, we

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got them. I might have to check that out. That's

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fine. I just have one final question. And I understand

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you said this was a concept. Yes. But since you're

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here, I just, um, when I looked at the agripark

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design, I was just curious. Where the fair portion would,

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like the entire 23 acres. No, the midway and everything

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because it depends on the year, the midway goes on

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your right, usually, right? Concert goes on the left. Holstein

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barn, you know where that is, right? I do, but

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it says covered standing ring roll up doors, indoor, outdoor

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covered seeding. So I just, more out of curiosity, where

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would a midway go if you had those? Midway goes

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on the right side on the east side. Of the

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track. No, inside the track on the inside area. That's

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where the midway goes. Well, these both indicate a barn,

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but okay. Well, again, it was a concept. Yeah, and

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that's why, but that's my first. When I first looked

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at it way back, I thought you've got to admit,

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our buildings are old. And it would be nice to

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have a nice new building where we could have homecraft

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and have proper year - round toilets a proper office.

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I don't think that's unreasonable, but you can't, you've got

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to have grants and it would be really, really, really

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nice if we could work with the township. Towards that

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goal. Well, I don't disagree with you on that, Mr.

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Puckerin. I do believe that, you know, that ultimately when

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we started this, to me, the goal was to work

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in collaboration and partnership. 1910, that's exactly what was said.

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No, I'm not talking about, I mean, that's the history.

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That's what it should be now, too. Right. And I

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just rewrite the bylaw 65 - 18 or whatever it

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was. And anyway, I've done a lot of research as

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well. But my goal, even with this report would be

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that collaboration and partnership would be able to help move

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the needle forward for everyone's benefit. Absolutely. Thank you. I

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appreciate you coming. If there's questions, we'll move on to

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our second delegate. Which is.

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There, a Jennifer Lafir here, a laugh leader. Lafler. I'm

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sorry. I need to put my glasses on.

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Welcome and just hit the button when you're ready. There

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we go. You can hear me fine. Uh, good evening,

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council members. My name is Dr. Jennifer Lafayette. I'm an

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associate professor at Ontario Tech University. I study the profound

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impact of urban sprawl on mental health of individuals and

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communities across Canada. I also study the disappearance of small

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towns and what this is doing to the national identity

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in Canada. I'm also currently researching the history of carnivals

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and fairs across Canada. And North America and globally. I

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grew up in the carnival. I've travelled my entire life

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in the carnival. In Port Perry has been a spot

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every year in my history. I don't live in Port

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Perry. I live in Oxbridge. Sorry, 2, 4, 6, 9,

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concession 6 Oxbridge. But I had to show up today

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to speak about the research that I'm finding. I'm currently

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writing a book on the history of carnivals for Penguin

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Books. Published in 2027. Port Perry features heavily in my

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book. As having one of the oldest fairgrounds in Canada,

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along with other small towns. And in fact, when we

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measure it against carnivals across North America, considering it's the

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size of the town and the public governance, it may

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be one of the oldest in North America.

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Selling these lands to developers would exasperate urban sprawl congestion

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and other pressing issues. I urge the council to explore

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innovative funding solutions to the perk upgrades. Provincial and federal

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grants, as we've heard, research support from institutions such as

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universities, which there's actually quite a lot of support in

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universities for funding for this and other events. In fact,

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50 percent of the proceeds of my book are dedicated

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to supporting small towns and keeping their affairs so we

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can keep the traditional alive. I am currently creating a

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chart with three doctorate research students on how other small

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towns are funding their carnivals. There's a lot of creative

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opportunities. I would love to explore these further with agricultural

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society. I believe with their lease, if it was continued,

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we would work with them. To continue to explore ways

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to keep this going. I have been working with the

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showman's League of America, the Canadian chapter. And based on

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our research, it is my stance along with the showman's

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league of America and the Canadian chapter that this is

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a historical fairground. And no portion of the property should

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be sold to developers. There's a tremendous opportunity here to

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develop these lands. It's a continue with the theme of

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agriculture and fair. Carnivals. Now I always in the book

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have to distinguish between affair and a circus. A circus

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is animals. We're talking about fairs and carnivals. I hope

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we don't squander this chance to protect this very important

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part of rural identity and to support the well -

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being of local residents. Our research also shows that fairgrounds

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within small communities are central hubs for community connection. Mental

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health and well - being. And overall health. This research.

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Has been found in at least 180 articles. The research

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also shows that when portions of culturally significant grounds lands

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are sold to developers, there is a breakdown of trust.

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That does impact the mental health of communities. In conclusion,

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I'd like to say that I'm going to continue to

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work with the showman's league of America and the Canadian

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chapter. To see what we can do to continue to

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protect these lands and support the local community. I'm also

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willing and offering services to help explore funding and research

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money opportunities. To examine ways to develop the fairgrounds that

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support agriculture families and the mental health of all individuals.

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I ask that the council considers not selling off a

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portion of the lands. Keeping the lease with the agricultural

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society. And keeping these fairgrounds, what they should be, which

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is a part of his cultural identity, but even the

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wider community across Canada. Thank you. Thank you very much,

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Jennifer. Are there any comments or questions to the delegate.

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Councillor LaRoy. Excuse me. Yes. Thank you. And through you,

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Madam Mayor, to Ms. Lafier. Thank you for your Delegations.

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It's very interesting, completely unexpected to me. I enjoyed hearing

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what you had to say. I have two questions for

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you. I don't know your research, so I don't know

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if you can answer these questions, but you might have

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some insight. The first question is with regard to what

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has your research shown, about models of governance for these

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types of sites and fair organisations. Have you come across

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different governance structures? And if so, what might they be

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in a sort of a brief description? And the second

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question would be, what is your research say if you've

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encountered that? About fairgrounds that have lost their sites and

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have been forced to move in terms of their outcomes.

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I don't know if your research has encountered examples of

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that as well. So two questions, governance and forced relocation.

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So governance, we did look at governance models. Um, the

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ones that seem to support the local wellbeing of communities

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the most was when the governance was within the local

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community. Organisations that were housed within the community. Agricultural societies,

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uh, organisations seem to be the most popular across not

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only Canada, but the United States that most often they

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were the ones helping manage look after, you know, take

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care of events. That seemed, in our research, and again,

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this is not just myself. So this is a research

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team, but our research team found that that often created

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the most trust within a community. And it created the

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most outpouring of support, which I think this is evident

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that's happening today as well. Um, there was a lack

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of trust when we looked at small towns where, uh,

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fairgrounds or carnivals were leased out to, uh, which some

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did, which were, um, organisations outside of the community. So

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some for profit, uh, organisations which did not have a

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good track record of keeping the fairgrounds alive or well

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supported within the community. We also found that there was

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some that were privately sold off. To actually families. And

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again, that, uh, the two examples I can think of

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without sort of revealing names, but the two examples I

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can think of was actually families that, uh, the fairgrounds

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did not continue because of internal conflict within the family

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of how it could be governed. Um, so that did

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not proceed well. Um, your second question, sorry, just if

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you can repeat your second question. Your comments about governance.

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The second question relates to experience affairs or agricultural societies

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that are forced to relocate. Yes. Um, we did find

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a few. So we did look at a few relocation.

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There was two, we found two that were successful in

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relocation, but this was, um, much larger communities than Port

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Perry. Um, there was a massive amount of funding coming

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into these two that were moved. Um, all of the

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rest that we looked at were, um, proposals to move

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them, but the communities often fought them being moved to

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different locations. Um, the showman's league of America and the

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Canadian chapter strongly support keeping original fairgrounds due to the

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historical value, the historical, the history, uh, within the community.

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There is actually research that shows, uh, when a fairground

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is within a certain location for a period of time.

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This actually is connected to memories of families. It's connected

471
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:17,199
to memories of community members. And when we move those

472
00:42:17,380 --> 00:42:22,159
carnivals to different locations, it interrupts and disrupts memories and

473
00:42:22,159 --> 00:42:26,559
positive memories. Um, so it is my position that fairgrounds

474
00:42:26,900 --> 00:42:29,919
as much as possible should stay within the historical grounds

475
00:42:30,500 --> 00:42:33,919
they've, uh, sorry, they've always been to continue to have

476
00:42:33,959 --> 00:42:43,358
that strong connection. That insight. Thank you, Councillor La Roy.

477
00:42:43,358 --> 00:42:49,009
Councillor McDougal. Thank you, Madam Mayor. And, uh, thank you,

478
00:42:49,049 --> 00:42:54,378
Dr. Lafayette, for coming today. I completely unexpected. I do

479
00:42:54,418 --> 00:42:58,023
have to ask. You said you travelled with the carnival

480
00:42:58,764 --> 00:43:02,263
every summer. Do you mean like literally travelled with the

481
00:43:02,303 --> 00:43:08,667
carnival every summer? Yes. Until recently, but my mother retired

482
00:43:08,688 --> 00:43:12,347
15 years ago. And I worked as a university professor

483
00:43:12,608 --> 00:43:14,667
and travelled on the weekends to support from my family

484
00:43:14,928 --> 00:43:18,390
when I could. Wow. Very impressive. Thank you. Um, and

485
00:43:18,651 --> 00:43:22,230
like you mentioned, it does trigger many memories. And you

486
00:43:22,230 --> 00:43:24,870
just mentioning the carnival trigger to memory for me, which

487
00:43:24,891 --> 00:43:29,190
was when a couple summers we had actually the circus

488
00:43:29,371 --> 00:43:32,470
come to Port Perry, um, on the grounds of what

489
00:43:32,731 --> 00:43:35,430
is now Westshore. I think it was for two summers.

490
00:43:35,430 --> 00:43:37,590
Um, I'm just thinking how wonderful it would be to

491
00:43:37,630 --> 00:43:40,870
have that come back. Because to see lion's and tigers

492
00:43:40,910 --> 00:43:43,910
and bears, Omai, uh, but to see those signs in

493
00:43:43,910 --> 00:43:46,070
Port Perry was quite something. And I can't help but

494
00:43:46,091 --> 00:43:47,830
think what an attraction would be. But thank you for

495
00:43:47,870 --> 00:43:51,910
coming today. Sorry. Go ahead. Is there a question councillor?

496
00:43:51,910 --> 00:43:54,744
No, that's a thank you Madam Mayor. Thank you. Thank

497
00:43:54,744 --> 00:44:02,700
you very much, Jennifer. Thank you. Okay. We'll move on

498
00:44:02,740 --> 00:44:05,660
to our third delegation, which is from Mike Smith.

499
00:44:23,772 --> 00:44:27,511
Go ahead when you're ready. Good afternoon, Council. Uh, Mike

500
00:44:27,551 --> 00:44:35,705
Smith, 870 high point road. I guess mainly, um, I

501
00:44:35,726 --> 00:44:37,705
want to talk about the staff report that you guys

502
00:44:37,726 --> 00:44:42,767
are voting on. Looking through it, an executive summary. The

503
00:44:42,767 --> 00:44:45,587
purposes of this report is to present the fairgrounds visioning

504
00:44:45,608 --> 00:44:49,531
exercise final report. And to recommend accounts on next steps

505
00:44:49,531 --> 00:44:53,451
to action the final report through an implementation plan that

506
00:44:53,472 --> 00:45:02,423
balances community priorities. In a fiscally responsible manner. Now. When

507
00:45:02,463 --> 00:45:04,663
you go through the Darwin pivot, we pay it 100,

508
00:45:04,663 --> 00:45:08,023
000 dollars for a consultant to talk to everyone, gather

509
00:45:08,023 --> 00:45:14,308
all this information. One of the questions on the sticky

510
00:45:14,308 --> 00:45:19,090
note board. Was the future. What people wanted to see

511
00:45:19,271 --> 00:45:24,817
on the Fairgrounds. There were 190 sticky notes put on

512
00:45:24,838 --> 00:45:31,395
there through all the meetings. Two. We're for housing.

513
00:45:44,322 --> 00:45:49,371
That's one of the only main points. In this summary.

514
00:45:49,371 --> 00:45:55,117
The other one is the selling. Of the four acres

515
00:45:55,157 --> 00:46:01,174
of land. Multiple times. I did not count them all.

516
00:46:01,174 --> 00:46:05,783
I got bored. No housing, no developing. Don't sell it.

517
00:46:05,823 --> 00:46:08,663
Don't change it. This is what we paid 100, 000

518
00:46:08,703 --> 00:46:14,245
dollars to find out. It also in here is the

519
00:46:14,426 --> 00:46:19,997
township. Taking back control. Zero.

520
00:46:26,082 --> 00:46:34,300
I don't know how that is a summary. Take it

521
00:46:34,300 --> 00:46:39,138
back. Yet here it is in our summary. Some of

522
00:46:39,138 --> 00:46:48,991
the other things in here. We have four zones.

523
00:46:49,764 --> 00:46:52,834
Which was from the consultant. But when you read it,

524
00:46:52,834 --> 00:46:57,241
one zone is for housing. Three zones are open space

525
00:46:57,742 --> 00:47:03,812
with possibilities. What we have right now is 23 acres

526
00:47:03,833 --> 00:47:06,852
with possibilities. What this is suggesting is let's have 19

527
00:47:06,873 --> 00:47:15,343
acres of possibilities. We also have a cost analysis or

528
00:47:15,383 --> 00:47:17,503
a cost estimation for the township taking care of it

529
00:47:17,924 --> 00:47:23,083
of 21, 000. Now with the way the budget is,

530
00:47:23,123 --> 00:47:24,843
everything gets rolled in now. But if you go back

531
00:47:24,883 --> 00:47:33,095
to 2018. There was 177. 45 acres of park, which

532
00:47:33,095 --> 00:47:38,000
includes 23 acres of the Fairgrounds. And the township's cost

533
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:45,833
was 706, 700 dollars. And 82 dollars per acre times

534
00:47:45,873 --> 00:47:52,795
23 acres. So in 2018, it would have cost 92,

535
00:47:53,456 --> 00:47:59,960
000. But today we'll do it for 21, 000. Somewhere

536
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,929
in here. There is some inaccuracies on what is being

537
00:48:02,950 --> 00:48:12,000
presented to Council to vote on. And. There's nothing on

538
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:14,640
what is being built. There's nothing on how much money

539
00:48:14,901 --> 00:48:19,528
is needed. The Fair can continue there. If it works.

540
00:48:19,528 --> 00:48:21,928
But the drawings have no buildings. So I do assume

541
00:48:22,029 --> 00:48:26,223
there are no buildings there. Or are they staying. Because

542
00:48:26,263 --> 00:48:32,110
I'm not sure what we're voting on here. The final

543
00:48:32,110 --> 00:48:37,105
one. And you brought it up. The bylaw. And in

544
00:48:37,105 --> 00:48:41,345
here, you know, staff is sure that the fairgrounds are

545
00:48:42,246 --> 00:48:48,523
100 percent owned by the township. Whereas porphyri reach, Scuder,

546
00:48:48,523 --> 00:48:51,483
agricultural society here and after called the Society have offered

547
00:48:51,504 --> 00:48:54,523
to give towards the purchase of a park, a subscription

548
00:48:54,624 --> 00:48:59,031
of 750. Now, subscription threw me off a little bit.

549
00:49:02,952 --> 00:49:06,071
So I looked it up. In 1910. It meant in

550
00:49:06,111 --> 00:49:09,351
agreement or formal commitment to purchase shares in a perspective

551
00:49:09,612 --> 00:49:14,500
corporation or a new issue. Again, purchase. Nowhere does it

552
00:49:14,500 --> 00:49:16,980
say the 750 like in here was for the lease.

553
00:49:17,798 --> 00:49:21,697
In the bylaw, it says that they purchased it on

554
00:49:21,697 --> 00:49:26,272
the condition that they received the lease. It also says

555
00:49:26,373 --> 00:49:29,472
in here that the deed will be put in the

556
00:49:29,493 --> 00:49:34,709
name of the village of porperi. Nowhere does it say

557
00:49:34,709 --> 00:49:40,196
anything of that. Um, last one quick here in Ontario,

558
00:49:40,196 --> 00:49:42,836
a resulting trust arises when someone contributes to the purchase

559
00:49:42,836 --> 00:49:46,516
of a property or transfers legal title without intending to

560
00:49:46,516 --> 00:49:49,556
make it a gift. Legally, the person untitled holds a

561
00:49:49,556 --> 00:49:52,196
property in trust for the individual who provides the funds.

562
00:49:57,976 --> 00:50:00,675
So the court will presume that person B does not

563
00:50:00,696 --> 00:50:03,075
own the property outright, but holds it in trust for

564
00:50:03,416 --> 00:50:06,435
person A to keep the property. Person B must prove

565
00:50:06,696 --> 00:50:10,115
on a balance of probabilities to person A explicitly intended

566
00:50:10,216 --> 00:50:16,229
the transfer or funding as a gift. Everything in this

567
00:50:16,269 --> 00:50:23,845
report. I question. The numbers make no sense. And I

568
00:50:23,845 --> 00:50:27,205
guess it's more a warning for council going into this

569
00:50:27,226 --> 00:50:30,887
vote. Of just exactly how much value is in that

570
00:50:30,927 --> 00:50:35,078
report. Thank you very much. Are there any questions for

571
00:50:35,259 --> 00:50:45,037
Mr. Smith. Council Sirak. Thank you, Mr. Smith. For coming

572
00:50:45,058 --> 00:50:49,277
on today. I appreciate what you said. Right. Um, you

573
00:50:49,277 --> 00:50:51,213
know, going through there. You know, I think you make

574
00:50:51,253 --> 00:50:52,573
a good point on the numbers when it comes to

575
00:50:52,594 --> 00:50:55,613
maintenance. I think that, sure, that can be looked at.

576
00:50:56,754 --> 00:51:00,293
Absolutely. Uh, what I do think is important though, is

577
00:51:01,714 --> 00:51:04,413
I guess I would push back slightly on your numbers.

578
00:51:04,413 --> 00:51:07,293
On the 198 to two. That is one example of

579
00:51:07,394 --> 00:51:10,093
all of the conversations and not probably a totality of

580
00:51:10,194 --> 00:51:13,413
all of the conversations that Darwin pivot happened. Because we

581
00:51:13,413 --> 00:51:15,613
do know that there were lots of people at the

582
00:51:15,613 --> 00:51:18,893
table. Again, Mr. Corrigan who's sitting here who advocated along

583
00:51:18,933 --> 00:51:21,814
with many other people. For additional senior housing. So, so

584
00:51:21,915 --> 00:51:25,094
there is other people and there were other voices at

585
00:51:25,094 --> 00:51:31,174
the tables that did represent other viewpoints. Um, were they

586
00:51:31,174 --> 00:51:35,174
overwhelming? Probably not, right? But I do think that the

587
00:51:35,214 --> 00:51:38,774
way I vision, I see this report is to me

588
00:51:38,795 --> 00:51:41,974
this seemed like it was a win, win, win for

589
00:51:42,075 --> 00:51:45,734
everyone. It is ensuring that the fair can stay at

590
00:51:45,774 --> 00:51:49,894
this location. Right. It's providing enough space to continue to

591
00:51:49,915 --> 00:51:53,987
run the fair. It is providing senior housing which our

592
00:51:54,008 --> 00:51:59,027
community desperately needs. It is having dedicated funds outside of

593
00:51:59,048 --> 00:52:02,547
a budget that cannot be used for anything else. To

594
00:52:02,568 --> 00:52:06,867
provide the ongoing development of this site. They can't be

595
00:52:06,888 --> 00:52:09,427
used for anything. The sale of that would be held

596
00:52:09,608 --> 00:52:14,147
in trust for that operation of improving the site. Right.

597
00:52:14,248 --> 00:52:17,067
So then we don't have to find money elsewhere. We

598
00:52:17,067 --> 00:52:21,587
don't have to worry about everybody not be approved. Money

599
00:52:21,627 --> 00:52:24,867
will be there. So we see tangible improvements on the

600
00:52:24,867 --> 00:52:27,347
site, which I think we all want along with the

601
00:52:27,608 --> 00:52:31,621
fair staying there. Not having to move. Right. And I

602
00:52:31,661 --> 00:52:35,141
agree that it's, there's nothing in the darwin pivot report

603
00:52:35,141 --> 00:52:38,981
on the township taking back over. But I would ask

604
00:52:39,242 --> 00:52:41,381
the CEO, I don't believe that that was ever a

605
00:52:41,402 --> 00:52:44,016
question put to them or not. As to who would

606
00:52:44,056 --> 00:52:48,416
have ongoing control of the site. Because to my knowledge,

607
00:52:48,416 --> 00:52:51,456
that was no question that Darwin pivot was asked or

608
00:52:51,456 --> 00:52:56,576
was asking anyone after they believed that the agricultural society

609
00:52:56,597 --> 00:53:01,136
or the tantri should continue that. So I totally agree.

610
00:53:01,136 --> 00:53:04,979
Is it perfect. Maybe not. And I absolutely take on

611
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:07,502
some of the things that you have said. But this

612
00:53:08,003 --> 00:53:11,022
is how I read this report. I read this report

613
00:53:11,603 --> 00:53:13,902
as truly a win - win for this community and

614
00:53:13,902 --> 00:53:20,752
not someone losing anything. So. The numbers, like I'm not

615
00:53:20,792 --> 00:53:25,258
arguing that this is not the only people speaking. However,

616
00:53:26,559 --> 00:53:30,058
I spoke at the meeting about the visioning exercise and

617
00:53:30,079 --> 00:53:34,002
suggested that the public had spoke. And it was you

618
00:53:34,042 --> 00:53:36,962
who told me if we took all those numbers, that's

619
00:53:36,962 --> 00:53:42,319
about five percent. Is not nearly enough. That's why the

620
00:53:42,420 --> 00:53:45,523
visioning exercise needs to go through. So we have it

621
00:53:45,523 --> 00:53:49,311
at one percent. I'm going to say the numbers should

622
00:53:49,351 --> 00:53:53,564
be five times higher. Based on your recommendation a year

623
00:53:53,564 --> 00:53:58,399
ago. That's still not high enough. There was no question

624
00:53:58,439 --> 00:54:01,759
about the township taking it over. However, there were answers

625
00:54:03,380 --> 00:54:07,543
that suggested they wanted township to leave. With the act

626
00:54:07,583 --> 00:54:10,031
society doing it. So while it may not have been

627
00:54:10,132 --> 00:54:14,275
asked, it was answered. What I heard consistently when I

628
00:54:14,275 --> 00:54:16,355
went through this is that people wanted the fair to

629
00:54:16,376 --> 00:54:20,825
continue. And they wanted to continue at that site. That's

630
00:54:20,846 --> 00:54:25,145
consistently what people were saying. So I understand what you're

631
00:54:25,145 --> 00:54:30,585
saying. I don't know that everyone believed that it was

632
00:54:30,625 --> 00:54:35,867
only possible. If everything remained untouched. Right. And that's a

633
00:54:35,867 --> 00:54:38,167
philosophical debate. We don't have to agree on it. And

634
00:54:38,288 --> 00:54:42,459
I respect you. I have no issue with you. And

635
00:54:42,459 --> 00:54:44,559
I'm not, I'm truly not engaging in an argument with

636
00:54:44,599 --> 00:54:47,599
you. I'm really just trying to understand. Because I genuinely

637
00:54:47,639 --> 00:54:51,039
don't, I believe the will of the community was very

638
00:54:51,140 --> 00:54:54,159
clear that they don't want this to see the fair

639
00:54:54,180 --> 00:54:58,959
move. And I genuinely believe that this report ensures the

640
00:54:59,140 --> 00:55:03,679
long - term sustainability of this site with money that

641
00:55:03,780 --> 00:55:09,237
will develop the site responsibly over time. But we have

642
00:55:09,237 --> 00:55:15,174
no buildings. Thank you, gentlemen. You have no buildings. There

643
00:55:15,174 --> 00:55:18,459
is no buildings where. All. Your drawings and your report.

644
00:55:19,344 --> 00:55:22,443
There are zero buildings left. Right. Because the implementation plan

645
00:55:22,784 --> 00:55:27,563
and the collaboration and the partnerships would intend to develop

646
00:55:27,664 --> 00:55:32,363
all that. It's not eliminating. Excuse me. It's not eliminating

647
00:55:32,944 --> 00:55:36,890
what was there. But it is opening up a slate

648
00:55:37,711 --> 00:55:43,130
just as create the implementation plan. That to me along

649
00:55:43,130 --> 00:55:46,570
with Council Rock, I understood that was opening it up

650
00:55:46,831 --> 00:55:51,610
for all kinds of possibilities. Not a limbing and keeping

651
00:55:51,650 --> 00:55:56,950
the fair. So if the Fair wants the building, the

652
00:55:57,071 --> 00:56:01,690
barn building that was shown in this concept plan, would

653
00:56:01,690 --> 00:56:03,610
they be keeping the other two buildings that are there.

654
00:56:04,931 --> 00:56:10,830
If the Fair Association wants the covered stand brings inside

655
00:56:13,331 --> 00:56:17,737
the track. And the barn on either side of that

656
00:56:17,998 --> 00:56:22,856
track. Is that what is envisioned by the fair? Now

657
00:56:24,237 --> 00:56:26,776
Mr. Puckerin said it was just a concept and we

658
00:56:26,797 --> 00:56:30,707
respect that. The input mentation plan would come up with

659
00:56:30,968 --> 00:56:36,067
a site specific plan. And it would involve conversations with

660
00:56:36,408 --> 00:56:40,387
everyone to determine how best to meet the needs of

661
00:56:40,968 --> 00:56:45,107
not only the ex society, but of those other community

662
00:56:45,208 --> 00:56:49,949
members, other organisations, other stakeholders that we heard. That's how

663
00:56:49,970 --> 00:56:53,229
I understood it. If I'm sorry, if it's not showing

664
00:56:53,650 --> 00:56:57,469
in this plan and you feel it's misleading. But that

665
00:56:57,469 --> 00:57:00,909
was how I read it as well. And that follows

666
00:57:00,909 --> 00:57:04,269
into my last thing is it's a concept. It's a

667
00:57:04,290 --> 00:57:06,269
concept because we're not voting on this right now. We're

668
00:57:06,370 --> 00:57:10,109
voting on an implementation which would tighten it. So if

669
00:57:10,930 --> 00:57:13,469
the agri - park was a concept, what we're presenting

670
00:57:13,810 --> 00:57:16,429
is a concept that will have to be refined. Right.

671
00:57:16,770 --> 00:57:20,749
They're both concepts. So equally, right, you can't just say,

672
00:57:20,749 --> 00:57:24,509
once a concept and, you know, then this is concrete.

673
00:57:24,509 --> 00:57:27,597
Because that's not what we're doing. All I'm suggesting is

674
00:57:27,938 --> 00:57:32,157
it's great that the Fair can continue, but has anyone

675
00:57:32,418 --> 00:57:35,517
reached out to talk about what is required to make

676
00:57:35,557 --> 00:57:40,807
the fair. And none of that is in here. That

677
00:57:40,847 --> 00:57:42,887
is my concern. Because that would be part of the

678
00:57:42,908 --> 00:57:46,327
implementation plan as to why we would have an implementation.

679
00:57:46,327 --> 00:57:48,007
So we don't know if Fair can continue. Of course

680
00:57:48,007 --> 00:57:51,995
it can. I don't think the person in this room

681
00:57:53,216 --> 00:57:55,915
again. It's affair to end. No one in this room

682
00:57:55,936 --> 00:57:59,595
wants this fair town. No. And we don't need to

683
00:57:59,616 --> 00:58:03,043
go around in a circle on that. Again. Thank you

684
00:58:03,083 --> 00:58:06,403
for coming. And I take on some of your criticism.

685
00:58:06,403 --> 00:58:08,163
Absolutely. And I think that those will have be looked

686
00:58:08,163 --> 00:58:12,003
at. But I would also say to consider some of

687
00:58:12,003 --> 00:58:14,643
the things that are attempted to be done with this

688
00:58:14,744 --> 00:58:18,163
report in providing for the long - term vision of

689
00:58:18,344 --> 00:58:24,615
this site. Thank you Council The Rock. Councillor McDougall. Thank

690
00:58:24,615 --> 00:58:27,175
you Madam Mayor. Sorry. Hang on. That's okay. Thank you

691
00:58:27,356 --> 00:58:30,455
Madam Mayor. Thank you Mike for coming again today to

692
00:58:30,495 --> 00:58:33,014
speak to us. Um, I actually think I want to

693
00:58:33,014 --> 00:58:37,934
thank Dr. Lefayer for explaining to me and all of

694
00:58:37,934 --> 00:58:40,654
us about memories. Cause I think I can understand better

695
00:58:41,155 --> 00:58:44,828
now why you care so deeply about the fair. Um,

696
00:58:45,889 --> 00:58:49,148
how long has the Ontario hosting club been hosted at

697
00:58:49,188 --> 00:58:53,067
the fair. And how many nights have you personally spent

698
00:58:53,408 --> 00:58:55,627
sleeping in those stalls with your uncle or your father?

699
00:58:56,688 --> 00:59:05,801
Uh, so 19. I believe was the first show. And.

700
00:59:07,863 --> 00:59:11,202
Like my farm has exhibited every year at the show.

701
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:20,072
And night slept there. Slap. I don't think maybe not

702
00:59:20,112 --> 00:59:25,137
too many. But councillor to the report. Please. Thank you.

703
00:59:25,137 --> 00:59:29,777
So from your read of the Darwin Pivot visioning exercise.

704
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:34,739
Did you understand that in order for the township and

705
00:59:34,739 --> 00:59:38,579
the Ag Society to be able to collaborate that the

706
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:41,219
lease needed to be dissolved and lands needed to be

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00:59:41,259 --> 00:59:49,577
sold off. No. Like from everything from the consultant. I

708
00:59:50,158 --> 00:59:52,057
have no idea why lands need to be sold off.

709
00:59:54,089 --> 00:59:57,904
Especially when. We don't, like the number for, I don't

710
00:59:57,944 --> 01:00:00,197
know what we need this money for. Because it's just

711
01:00:00,218 --> 01:00:07,723
a concept. Okay. Thank you. Thank you both. We'll now

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01:00:07,723 --> 01:00:12,283
move on to our next delegation, which is Margaret Taylor

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01:00:12,384 --> 01:00:12,843
Sevier.

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01:00:38,642 --> 01:00:42,501
Welcome and whenever you're ready. Margaret Taylor Sevier, A. D.

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01:00:42,501 --> 01:00:48,394
Med Road, Port Perry. Mayor and Council. Back in September,

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01:00:48,394 --> 01:00:54,874
when this council was planning to do this visioning exercise,

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01:00:54,874 --> 01:00:59,354
the town of AJAX announced very proudly the establishment of

718
01:00:59,535 --> 01:01:03,114
a 17. 6 acre green space that they are calling

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01:01:03,375 --> 01:01:06,930
a fairgrounds. And it's not in the centre of town.

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01:01:06,930 --> 01:01:11,170
It's up and oddly, which is, you know, when I

721
01:01:11,170 --> 01:01:14,405
was a kid, that was pretty far north. Um, and

722
01:01:15,626 --> 01:01:20,165
they announced, despite having a diverse and quickly growing population,

723
01:01:20,165 --> 01:01:24,385
the town has no dedicated space for friends, families, and

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01:01:24,385 --> 01:01:27,205
groups to hold the kind of large - scale community

725
01:01:27,226 --> 01:01:32,569
festivals and events expected of a modern town. The Ajax

726
01:01:32,670 --> 01:01:36,089
Fairgrounds and surrounding green space is the first of its

727
01:01:36,110 --> 01:01:39,758
kind in Durham region. Putting ajacks on the map as

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01:01:40,019 --> 01:01:46,087
the premier event destination. Accommodating up to 25, 000 guests.

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01:01:46,592 --> 01:01:49,851
The area will be home to community favourite town signature

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01:01:49,952 --> 01:01:54,865
events like Canada Day and Winterfest. And we'll be available

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01:01:54,966 --> 01:01:59,105
to groups and organisations looking to bring exclusive events to

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01:01:59,446 --> 01:02:07,236
AJAX. Then in February, Clarengton announced the municipality of Clarengton

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01:02:07,577 --> 01:02:12,436
has acquired 20 hectares. That's just under 50 acres of

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01:02:12,617 --> 01:02:16,877
land. Located just west of the south Bowmanville recreation centre.

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01:02:18,044 --> 01:02:21,063
The property will become the site of a new outdoor

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01:02:21,084 --> 01:02:25,703
sports and event grounds creating a central destination for active

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01:02:25,724 --> 01:02:31,436
and passive recreation, as well as outdoor community gatherings. The

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01:02:31,777 --> 01:02:36,956
2024 parks recreation and culture master plan identified the need

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01:02:37,217 --> 01:02:40,956
for the municipality to acquire a large parcel of land

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01:02:41,057 --> 01:02:46,876
to accommodate new outdoor sports fields, including a dedicated cricket

741
01:02:46,916 --> 01:02:50,796
field, as well as large - scale outdoor community gatherings.

742
01:02:51,763 --> 01:02:55,342
At the time, no suitable space was available within the

743
01:02:55,603 --> 01:03:00,752
existing park system to meet projected demand. This purchase fulfills

744
01:03:00,933 --> 01:03:04,752
a key recommendation of the PARC's recreation and culture master

745
01:03:04,792 --> 01:03:11,672
plan to support Clarengton's growing community. If you go to

746
01:03:11,712 --> 01:03:15,192
their website and look at the plan, that includes an

747
01:03:15,192 --> 01:03:18,792
outdoor - gathering space for major community events undercovered stage

748
01:03:19,213 --> 01:03:25,595
for live concerts and performances. Whitby currently uses 27 acres

749
01:03:25,635 --> 01:03:29,835
of their 70 acre Victoria Field soccer complex, which is

750
01:03:29,856 --> 01:03:33,195
right on the lake for community events like Canada Day

751
01:03:33,216 --> 01:03:38,478
fireworks and their annual rib fest. In April, they announced

752
01:03:38,478 --> 01:03:42,718
that they have secured nearly 150 acres north of Brooklyn

753
01:03:43,299 --> 01:03:48,320
for future sports fields. Again, pretty far from downtown. Building

754
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:51,120
on the momentum of the upcoming opening of the field

755
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:54,240
gate sports complex, the town of Whitby is taking another

756
01:03:54,261 --> 01:03:58,880
major step to expand recreational space and meet growing community

757
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:02,880
demand, securing more than 60 hectares in North Whitby for

758
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:06,720
a future outdoor sports field complex. This is an exciting

759
01:04:06,981 --> 01:04:10,800
step. As we continue building a complete connected community that

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01:04:10,901 --> 01:04:15,040
grows with our residents, securing this land reflects the priorities

761
01:04:15,061 --> 01:04:19,440
set out in Whitby's community strategic plan, investing in recreation,

762
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:23,440
expanding access to green space and planning proactively for the

763
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:27,353
needs of a growing population. The need for more sports

764
01:04:27,374 --> 01:04:31,388
fields was also identified in our recreation master plan. As

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01:04:31,428 --> 01:04:34,428
this project moves forward input from residents and user groups

766
01:04:34,529 --> 01:04:37,548
will be key to shaping a space that truly reflects

767
01:04:37,889 --> 01:04:40,668
whippy's needs. That's a quote from Elizabeth Roy, the mayor

768
01:04:40,708 --> 01:04:45,734
of Whitby. Now we have the fairgrounds. We have that

769
01:04:46,235 --> 01:04:49,094
open space and it's in town. It's not way off

770
01:04:49,115 --> 01:04:53,853
somewhere. These towns are not looking for more community parks.

771
01:04:55,227 --> 01:04:58,566
And not particularly looking for more sports fields, except Whitby,

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01:04:58,566 --> 01:05:01,360
because they've got the big space on the lake. For

773
01:05:01,541 --> 01:05:05,448
all their events. This town could be using the fairgrounds

774
01:05:05,469 --> 01:05:10,328
for their candidate day events. And anything else that requires

775
01:05:10,429 --> 01:05:14,180
a lot of space. Palmer Park is a jewel. But

776
01:05:14,281 --> 01:05:17,620
it's barely two acres. And it's sandwiched between Water Street

777
01:05:17,660 --> 01:05:21,749
and the lake. It's great for small gatherings, but whenever

778
01:05:21,789 --> 01:05:25,509
there's a popular event there, it is overcrowded. And there

779
01:05:25,509 --> 01:05:29,269
is no parking within walking distance. The fairgrounds is our

780
01:05:29,290 --> 01:05:33,349
only park with enough open space to accommodate larger events,

781
01:05:33,349 --> 01:05:36,629
and it is conveniently located on trail networks and bus

782
01:05:36,669 --> 01:05:40,709
routes. If council starts selling it off bit by bit,

783
01:05:40,749 --> 01:05:43,749
or carving it up into smaller zones, we will lose

784
01:05:43,749 --> 01:05:47,189
this heritage treasure, and some future council will be looking

785
01:05:47,610 --> 01:05:52,415
far afield for something to replace it. Thank you. Thank

786
01:05:52,455 --> 01:05:57,385
you very much. Are there any questions. Um, seeing none,

787
01:05:57,385 --> 01:06:01,385
I just have a couple of comments. Um, the AJAX

788
01:06:01,406 --> 01:06:07,305
field, it comes with a tune or a cost of

789
01:06:07,406 --> 01:06:12,871
four million dollars. Their development of the development costs and

790
01:06:12,972 --> 01:06:22,798
construction for that 7. 3 acre event lawn. Um. HOx

791
01:06:22,819 --> 01:06:29,252
got 22 million. Through a housing accelerator fund. By promising

792
01:06:30,713 --> 01:06:36,292
development of 10, 000 homes, that part of that 4

793
01:06:36,393 --> 01:06:41,845
million, that's where that 4 million is coming from. Clearington,

794
01:06:41,866 --> 01:06:44,805
their sports field is coming in at 102 million dollars.

795
01:06:47,270 --> 01:06:51,672
10 million grant. And right now a commitment of 65

796
01:06:52,333 --> 01:06:58,967
million from Clarenton. Whitby is investing 155 million in the

797
01:06:59,068 --> 01:07:07,852
field gates, sports facility. I agree. We have space. But

798
01:07:07,892 --> 01:07:11,052
we don't have money for the development of such things

799
01:07:11,233 --> 01:07:16,280
that you spoke about. What the report was suggesting was

800
01:07:16,701 --> 01:07:22,840
the potential sale, good help fund, even such things as

801
01:07:23,101 --> 01:07:26,991
some of the concept plan put forward. By the Port

802
01:07:27,031 --> 01:07:31,180
Perry Ag Society. That's what the report was speaking to.

803
01:07:31,180 --> 01:07:33,580
It was in a done deal. It is in anything

804
01:07:33,601 --> 01:07:37,100
more than that was a suggestion as a resource for

805
01:07:37,201 --> 01:07:41,180
funding. And it would probably come or could be planned

806
01:07:41,220 --> 01:07:45,523
to come after all sources of funding. Of course, we

807
01:07:45,784 --> 01:07:48,943
can plant trees and we can put some benches. But

808
01:07:48,943 --> 01:07:55,123
if we're talking development, I just wanted to echo. That

809
01:07:55,123 --> 01:07:57,523
the examples you gave, because, and I had read your

810
01:07:57,523 --> 01:07:59,603
letter, so I looked them up. Thank you for the

811
01:07:59,704 --> 01:08:03,043
heads up, by the way. Um, I was quite floored

812
01:08:03,043 --> 01:08:06,387
by the costs. And my point is that we don't

813
01:08:06,387 --> 01:08:12,105
need to spend anything. We already have a fairgrounds. But,

814
01:08:12,206 --> 01:08:18,423
but you spoke about event space. Yes. And the point

815
01:08:18,423 --> 01:08:20,823
of having a fairgrounds is to have an open space

816
01:08:20,863 --> 01:08:25,143
that's flexible, that doesn't have playground equipment and street furniture

817
01:08:25,324 --> 01:08:27,383
and stuff that you have to work around if you're

818
01:08:27,383 --> 01:08:29,863
going to put on a big event like a rib

819
01:08:29,884 --> 01:08:33,863
fest or a fair. Because once you start putting things

820
01:08:34,284 --> 01:08:37,463
in the middle of the field, you can't use the

821
01:08:37,564 --> 01:08:42,669
whole space anymore. And that's a very valid point. But

822
01:08:42,690 --> 01:08:46,320
that's not only what we heard from the community. They

823
01:08:46,661 --> 01:08:49,200
wanted all those other things that you just mentioned as

824
01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:53,520
well. So it is really, and that's why an implementation

825
01:08:53,621 --> 01:08:56,240
plan would help us arrive at something that might be

826
01:08:56,421 --> 01:08:59,747
suitable for everyone. But thank you. Are there any other

827
01:08:59,928 --> 01:09:05,443
questions or comments? Councillor LaRoy. Yes, thank you Madam Mayor

828
01:09:05,443 --> 01:09:08,243
and to you. Thank you for the presentation. I'm glad

829
01:09:08,243 --> 01:09:12,000
you did the research on the neighbouring municipalities. Uh, I

830
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:13,840
think you may be aware that our own policy here

831
01:09:13,861 --> 01:09:19,040
is three hectors per thousand people is what Parkland equivalency

832
01:09:19,061 --> 01:09:22,400
is meant to be. And just for the record for

833
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:24,800
those at attendance, that means that for acres is roughly

834
01:09:25,221 --> 01:09:29,718
the equivalent Parkland of 500 people. Lose that four acres.

835
01:09:29,718 --> 01:09:33,798
That's 500 people put into deficiency in terms of our

836
01:09:33,838 --> 01:09:37,238
own policies. I believe we're currently close to our policy

837
01:09:38,139 --> 01:09:41,718
presently. So just another number to your statistics that you

838
01:09:41,739 --> 01:09:48,814
provided here this afternoon. Thank you, Councillor Labroye. Any further

839
01:09:48,814 --> 01:09:55,406
comments or questions? Seeing none. Thank you very much. Okay,

840
01:09:55,406 --> 01:10:01,886
now we'll move on to Delegation 4. 5 Natalie Holtby.

841
01:10:01,886 --> 01:10:02,446
Natalie, are you here?

842
01:10:24,201 --> 01:10:28,584
Whenever you're ready. Hello, good evening Mayor and Council. My

843
01:10:28,584 --> 01:10:31,904
name is Dr. Natalie Holtby, and I have my PhD

844
01:10:32,485 --> 01:10:37,296
in school and clinical Child Psychology. I encourage counsel to

845
01:10:37,317 --> 01:10:41,536
receive the information in Darwin Pivot's report without taking further

846
01:10:41,797 --> 01:10:46,712
action. My first objection to the report rests on methodological

847
01:10:46,893 --> 01:10:53,272
concerns. The township of Scugog includes approximately 21, 580 people.

848
01:10:54,757 --> 01:10:59,296
By comparison, Darwin Pivot's visioning exercise involved a vague estimate

849
01:10:59,317 --> 01:11:05,456
of more than 1, 400 community interactions and very limited

850
01:11:05,637 --> 01:11:11,455
demographic information describing the participating sample. Further, the process by

851
01:11:11,495 --> 01:11:16,255
which community feedback was illicited, involved considerable time and effort

852
01:11:16,516 --> 01:11:20,175
for respondents. And I suspect doesn't include the voices of

853
01:11:20,215 --> 01:11:24,175
many citizens who either weren't aware of the surveys or

854
01:11:24,215 --> 01:11:28,790
community events or didn't have the time to participate. Darwin

855
01:11:28,811 --> 01:11:32,230
Pivot has failed to provide any evidence to assert that

856
01:11:32,251 --> 01:11:38,150
this vision is representative of our community priorities. Second, it

857
01:11:38,190 --> 01:11:41,830
seems that Darwin Pivot has erroneously conflated the well -

858
01:11:41,830 --> 01:11:46,230
intentioned citizen value of community gathering with an urgent civic

859
01:11:46,270 --> 01:11:50,310
need for costly and irreversible changes to a historic peace

860
01:11:50,350 --> 01:11:54,059
of land. Let's consider how to better serve this community

861
01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:58,918
from an unbiased lens. If we do, then it's a

862
01:11:58,958 --> 01:12:03,478
careless leap to translate the reports community pillars such as

863
01:12:03,659 --> 01:12:08,678
honouring heritage while looking forward, protecting and enhancing green space

864
01:12:09,499 --> 01:12:14,358
and maintaining stewardship into Darwin Pivot's drastic three - zone

865
01:12:14,379 --> 01:12:18,678
vision for the property. They're suggested map of changes will

866
01:12:18,699 --> 01:12:22,998
not only reduce the existing space into overly developed, disconnected

867
01:12:23,179 --> 01:12:28,678
fragments, but it will also involve paving over green space.

868
01:12:28,678 --> 01:12:31,718
A number of the suggested recreational facilities to be added

869
01:12:32,139 --> 01:12:37,278
are already available nearby. Further, the recommendation to sell a

870
01:12:37,278 --> 01:12:40,158
sizable portion of the land for development to pay for

871
01:12:40,198 --> 01:12:45,518
these redundant amenities neglects to consider how residential and mixed

872
01:12:45,619 --> 01:12:50,158
use buildings coupled with parking lots with permanently alter the

873
01:12:50,419 --> 01:12:55,190
atmosphere of the space. Lest is often more. And just

874
01:12:55,190 --> 01:12:58,550
because we can change things, it doesn't mean that we

875
01:12:58,571 --> 01:13:02,413
should. Having grown up in and lived in this community

876
01:13:02,434 --> 01:13:07,133
for multiple decades, I've never seen the fairgrounds as an

877
01:13:07,394 --> 01:13:13,185
underutilized resource that only supports the fair. I've been there

878
01:13:13,225 --> 01:13:17,985
many times running on the track and practicing mindfulness. I'm

879
01:13:18,025 --> 01:13:21,745
also confident that there are many people like myself who've

880
01:13:21,785 --> 01:13:26,705
enjoyed free access to a quiet, serene, outdoor space where

881
01:13:26,745 --> 01:13:30,385
they can peacefully walk through dogs or ride their bikes.

882
01:13:31,206 --> 01:13:37,345
Darwin Pivot has envisioned a congested, overstimulating conglomeration of amenities

883
01:13:37,366 --> 01:13:40,385
to make this land part of the parks and recreation

884
01:13:40,406 --> 01:13:44,703
system. I argue that the fairgrounds are already a part

885
01:13:44,703 --> 01:13:48,143
of this system and support it well in their current

886
01:13:48,244 --> 01:13:52,949
form. In reading the final report, it's evident that what

887
01:13:52,949 --> 01:13:56,149
should have been a thoughtful and respectful dialogue about how

888
01:13:56,149 --> 01:14:00,069
to protect and enhance a special place has been reduced

889
01:14:00,109 --> 01:14:04,629
to an antagonistic attack on the port Perry Agricultural Society.

890
01:14:05,219 --> 01:14:09,758
This entire process feels like an effort to bulldoze past

891
01:14:09,798 --> 01:14:13,598
critical thinking in the name of ambition and the unrelenting

892
01:14:13,779 --> 01:14:18,158
quest for improvement. I welcome change when it has a

893
01:14:18,158 --> 01:14:22,238
purpose. I actually agree with the suggestion to plant more

894
01:14:22,339 --> 01:14:27,358
trees on the grounds and update the washroom facilities. Modest

895
01:14:27,459 --> 01:14:30,958
changes that will honour the space and enhance the comfort

896
01:14:31,059 --> 01:14:35,118
of visitors can be made responsibly without selling part of

897
01:14:35,118 --> 01:14:40,525
the property and radically reconfiguring the rest. I urge us

898
01:14:40,525 --> 01:14:44,441
to find our common ground. We all want to enhance

899
01:14:44,481 --> 01:14:47,161
our lives and make this world a better place for

900
01:14:47,182 --> 01:14:51,363
our children. Why not show them the value of caring

901
01:14:51,363 --> 01:14:56,864
for the land and appreciating its innate beauty. Nature is

902
01:14:56,885 --> 01:15:00,624
not an infinite resource to be discarded on a whim.

903
01:15:02,036 --> 01:15:06,575
Undeveloped land is a rare gift in today's context that's

904
01:15:06,596 --> 01:15:10,223
worth holding on to. Have we not already clawed away

905
01:15:10,244 --> 01:15:13,423
enough of the land from the surrounding fauna to suit

906
01:15:13,423 --> 01:15:19,463
our human greed? Open space is not empty space. It

907
01:15:19,463 --> 01:15:22,863
has a purpose. It is a rest bite and it

908
01:15:22,863 --> 01:15:27,152
is essential. I ask that council have the courage to

909
01:15:27,333 --> 01:15:31,312
walk away from this process without destroying the essence of

910
01:15:31,413 --> 01:15:36,192
a cherished green space. I ask that council be mindful

911
01:15:36,453 --> 01:15:40,752
of our environmental footprint and consider why our children would

912
01:15:41,013 --> 01:15:44,432
want us to nourish a space for plants and wildlife.

913
01:15:44,533 --> 01:15:47,632
And I ask that counsel do the right thing and

914
01:15:47,733 --> 01:15:52,639
respect the land. Thank you. Thank you very much, Natalie.

915
01:15:59,333 --> 01:16:03,277
Are there any questions. Seeing none, thank you.

916
01:16:10,253 --> 01:16:12,472
We'll move on to our next delegation and I will

917
01:16:12,733 --> 01:16:18,232
ask you once again to please refrain from clapping outbursts,

918
01:16:18,232 --> 01:16:20,792
et cetera, as outlined at the beginning of the meeting.

919
01:16:21,500 --> 01:16:27,123
So our next delegation is from Pat Longmere. Pat, or

920
01:16:27,123 --> 01:16:28,003
I know you're here.

921
01:16:48,164 --> 01:16:51,138
Go ahead whenever you're ready. Thank you. Thank you for

922
01:16:51,138 --> 01:16:54,018
the opportunity to speak with you this evening. I'm Pat

923
01:16:54,058 --> 01:16:57,780
Longmire. I live at 66 Chalk Lake Road. I moved

924
01:16:57,881 --> 01:17:00,020
to Scugog more than 20 years ago and I love

925
01:17:00,041 --> 01:17:03,107
living here. I know that still makes me an outsider

926
01:17:03,448 --> 01:17:06,147
and I'm not a member of the PPAS, but I

927
01:17:06,147 --> 01:17:07,987
do love going to the fair, although I don't make

928
01:17:08,088 --> 01:17:11,324
it every year. Since I have also worked in Park

929
01:17:11,324 --> 01:17:13,804
and Trail Design, I was excited to see the launch

930
01:17:13,804 --> 01:17:17,004
of the visioning process. I followed the process over the

931
01:17:17,185 --> 01:17:20,044
past months attended meetings and a workshop and listened carefully

932
01:17:20,065 --> 01:17:23,641
to what I heard. I also contributed some thoughts, although

933
01:17:23,641 --> 01:17:26,361
since I don't live in the urban area of Porpari,

934
01:17:26,361 --> 01:17:28,841
my use of the fairgrounds is primarily for special events.

935
01:17:29,696 --> 01:17:32,315
What I read and heard over and over throughout the

936
01:17:32,336 --> 01:17:35,945
process was three key points. One, the fairgrounds should be

937
01:17:35,985 --> 01:17:38,265
kept as public open space and should continue to be

938
01:17:38,286 --> 01:17:41,785
the home of the annual affair. Two, there are lots

939
01:17:41,785 --> 01:17:44,105
of ideas of how to make the fairgrounds more appealing

940
01:17:44,286 --> 01:17:47,945
and encourage greater use in all four seasons. And three,

941
01:17:47,985 --> 01:17:50,905
there is a crushing need for affordable housing in Scugog.

942
01:17:52,067 --> 01:17:54,366
When I read the staff report regarding the future of

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01:17:54,366 --> 01:17:57,166
the fairgrounds, I was shocked and saddened to see how

944
01:17:57,206 --> 01:17:59,566
much it differed from what I had heard throughout the

945
01:17:59,587 --> 01:18:02,379
process. I will focus my comments on the three key

946
01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:06,645
points I expected to see in the staff report. First,

947
01:18:06,645 --> 01:18:10,348
keeping the fairgrounds in the fair. Rather than emphasizing the

948
01:18:10,609 --> 01:18:13,948
importance of maintaining the fair in its historic location, the

949
01:18:14,049 --> 01:18:17,148
staff report commits only to offering an annual special event

950
01:18:17,249 --> 01:18:20,748
permit for use of whatever area of the grounds the

951
01:18:20,788 --> 01:18:24,428
township deems suitable. This gives no assurances that the fair

952
01:18:24,468 --> 01:18:26,908
will be able to continue at the current location, which

953
01:18:26,929 --> 01:18:30,668
was a very prominent theme in the public discussions. Rather,

954
01:18:30,668 --> 01:18:33,228
the township at any time could specify only a small

955
01:18:33,729 --> 01:18:36,588
unsuitable area for the fair, and thus would end the

956
01:18:36,849 --> 01:18:40,748
fair's existence. I urge counsel to reject the suggestions in

957
01:18:40,748 --> 01:18:43,948
the staff report, and instead guarantee that the fair will

958
01:18:43,988 --> 01:18:47,228
be issued the annual special event permit or lease for

959
01:18:47,329 --> 01:18:50,668
the use of all three designated zones at no cost

960
01:18:50,689 --> 01:18:55,172
for a period of at least 20 years. Second, enhancing

961
01:18:55,273 --> 01:18:59,148
use of the fairgrounds. At the workshop, the consultants provided

962
01:18:59,409 --> 01:19:01,948
five options for ways in which the fairgrounds could potentially

963
01:19:02,209 --> 01:19:05,788
be enhanced to encourage year - round use. I fully

964
01:19:05,828 --> 01:19:09,308
realised that those ideas were simply potential concepts and that

965
01:19:09,308 --> 01:19:12,988
the design work is yet to come. However, the staff

966
01:19:13,009 --> 01:19:16,408
report has removed not only the specific design ideas, but

967
01:19:16,529 --> 01:19:21,148
also the general concepts that reflected the priorities of residents.

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01:19:21,148 --> 01:19:25,656
All of the existing structures are not represented. It is

969
01:19:25,696 --> 01:19:28,136
hard to see how special events will be held without

970
01:19:28,397 --> 01:19:31,976
grandstand seating a stage, et cetera. Zone 2 is listed

971
01:19:31,997 --> 01:19:34,376
only as a gathering area and contains none of the

972
01:19:34,637 --> 01:19:38,216
urban forest community garden or other aspects of naturalization that

973
01:19:38,477 --> 01:19:41,496
residents considered a high priority and we're illustrated at the

974
01:19:41,517 --> 01:19:46,352
workshops. I urge counsel to reject the recommendation that staff

975
01:19:46,453 --> 01:19:50,592
develop an implementation plan without any requirement for future planning

976
01:19:50,613 --> 01:19:54,272
to be aligned with the priority of residents. Instead, I

977
01:19:54,312 --> 01:19:58,352
would ask counsel to direct staff to explicitly develop and

978
01:19:58,392 --> 01:20:02,512
implementation plan that places a priority on aligning future development

979
01:20:02,533 --> 01:20:06,032
with the ideas and recommendations gathered through the visioning process.

980
01:20:07,838 --> 01:20:11,977
Finally, Affordable Housing, the need for Affordable Housing in Scugog

981
01:20:11,977 --> 01:20:14,457
was also a strong message that resounded throughout all the

982
01:20:14,497 --> 01:20:17,417
meetings and discussions, and yet the staff report makes no

983
01:20:17,438 --> 01:20:20,857
mention of this aspect. The four acres that is proposed

984
01:20:20,857 --> 01:20:24,297
to be sold for private development will not create affordable

985
01:20:24,337 --> 01:20:28,377
housing. The zoning will prioritize another strip mall, or perhaps

986
01:20:28,798 --> 01:20:32,377
senior housing, but that is not what is required. There

987
01:20:32,417 --> 01:20:34,857
are lots of options for seniors who have the means

988
01:20:34,897 --> 01:20:39,097
to pay for market value accommodation. This weekend, there were

989
01:20:39,438 --> 01:20:42,617
22 homes for sale in Canterbury Commons, and the villa

990
01:20:42,638 --> 01:20:48,329
is advertising availability. What residents emphasized was the need for

991
01:20:48,590 --> 01:20:51,609
affordable housing, so those with a limited income are able

992
01:20:51,609 --> 01:20:54,649
to stay in town. That will not happen through private

993
01:20:54,750 --> 01:20:58,329
development. I would urge counsel to reject the staff plan

994
01:20:58,350 --> 01:21:02,169
for private development and instead direct staff to investigate the

995
01:21:02,350 --> 01:21:06,889
magnitude of affordable housing requirements we need for our town

996
01:21:07,870 --> 01:21:10,409
and the options such as rent geared to income cooperative

997
01:21:10,430 --> 01:21:15,052
housing, tiny homes, et cetera. Members of council, although many

998
01:21:15,052 --> 01:21:17,692
of you were acclaimed rather than elected by residents of

999
01:21:17,793 --> 01:21:22,412
Scugog, nevertheless, the positions that you hold are intended to

1000
01:21:22,433 --> 01:21:27,052
represent the voice of the people. As residents of Scugog,

1001
01:21:27,153 --> 01:21:31,032
we rely on you to bring our priorities, thoughts, and

1002
01:21:31,153 --> 01:21:34,652
needs to the forefront of discussions and decisions regarding our

1003
01:21:34,833 --> 01:21:39,218
township. This is your opportunity to ensure that the input

1004
01:21:39,399 --> 01:21:42,818
gathered from your constituents through the visioning process is put

1005
01:21:42,858 --> 01:21:46,098
into action. I would ask that you reject the staff

1006
01:21:46,199 --> 01:21:49,458
report in its current form and instead commit to hosting

1007
01:21:49,479 --> 01:21:52,418
the fair at the historic location for decades to come

1008
01:21:53,559 --> 01:21:56,418
ensure that the implementation plan for future development of the

1009
01:21:56,599 --> 01:22:00,978
fairgrounds reflects the priorities of residents, and that staff move

1010
01:22:01,079 --> 01:22:06,313
forward with identifying options for affordable housing in Scugog. Thank

1011
01:22:06,313 --> 01:22:08,713
you for all the work that you do to ensure

1012
01:22:09,054 --> 01:22:14,541
Township Decisions reflect our priorities. Thank you very much. Are

1013
01:22:14,541 --> 01:22:22,514
there any questions or comments. Councillor LaRoy. Sorry, hang on.

1014
01:22:22,695 --> 01:22:24,994
Sorry, thank you Madam Mayor, and through you to the

1015
01:22:25,095 --> 01:22:28,594
deputant. Thank you for your presentation. I just want to

1016
01:22:28,634 --> 01:22:32,754
extend a bit of a message that me and other

1017
01:22:32,794 --> 01:22:35,454
people in this council are fully supportive Cooperative Housing, and

1018
01:22:35,454 --> 01:22:38,034
we have other sites in Scugog that would be more

1019
01:22:38,135 --> 01:22:41,074
appropriate than the current one under discussion. And I think

1020
01:22:41,074 --> 01:22:44,354
it's an excellent idea that the municipality should be exploring.

1021
01:22:44,354 --> 01:22:47,575
I'm fully supportive of that idea. Perhaps not on the

1022
01:22:47,676 --> 01:22:50,535
fairgrounds. But thank you for your thoughts. Um, it's very

1023
01:22:50,535 --> 01:22:53,721
refreshing to hear. Are there any further questions for the

1024
01:22:53,982 --> 01:23:03,881
delegate. Seeing none, thank you very much. Okay,

1025
01:23:04,062 --> 01:23:08,121
we'll move on to a delegation 4. 7, which is

1026
01:23:08,622 --> 01:23:16,098
from Patricia Conlan. Do you mind. Getting me some water.

1027
01:23:26,780 --> 01:23:31,319
Evening Council and Local Residence. My name is Patricia Conlan.

1028
01:23:31,319 --> 01:23:33,399
I've been a resident of Port Perry for over 40

1029
01:23:33,439 --> 01:23:38,359
years. I've been following recent developments surrounding the fairgrounds and

1030
01:23:38,380 --> 01:23:42,839
have participated in some of the sessions provided by Darwin

1031
01:23:43,180 --> 01:23:47,719
Pivot as well, with respect to the staff report, recommending

1032
01:23:47,759 --> 01:23:51,399
the For Acre sale, the parcel from Port Perry Fairgrounds

1033
01:23:51,439 --> 01:23:57,302
to developers. People have heard loudly the feeling of betrayal

1034
01:23:57,403 --> 01:24:02,262
that there are agricultural society feels expressed by this opinion

1035
01:24:02,603 --> 01:24:05,542
and not being heard. They stated that they were led

1036
01:24:05,563 --> 01:24:08,102
to believe their long - term lease would be renewed.

1037
01:24:09,266 --> 01:24:14,605
Several things I've gathered are concerning to school gog residents.

1038
01:24:15,919 --> 01:24:19,018
A large petition was signed by thousands of residents saying

1039
01:24:19,058 --> 01:24:23,258
they wanted the fairgrounds kept public, all of the fairgrounds.

1040
01:24:23,258 --> 01:24:27,398
And addition, lying signs are everywhere throughout the community, and

1041
01:24:27,398 --> 01:24:30,218
they have been for many months to support this and

1042
01:24:30,258 --> 01:24:34,218
protect our local heritage, our public green spaces, and are

1043
01:24:34,239 --> 01:24:37,789
fair. The consultant - y firm was hired to do

1044
01:24:37,970 --> 01:24:42,589
a visioning exercise, and some people did not have voice

1045
01:24:43,090 --> 01:24:47,149
some of the comments about that. I participated in one

1046
01:24:47,189 --> 01:24:51,469
of the online sessions. It was a very low turnout,

1047
01:24:51,469 --> 01:24:55,869
but several questions were indicative of selling a parcel of

1048
01:24:55,970 --> 01:25:00,109
land and were shut down firmly by all the participants

1049
01:25:00,109 --> 01:25:04,429
who want the entire Fairgrounds Cap Public with low -

1050
01:25:04,429 --> 01:25:09,709
cost, reasonable enhancements. The Port Perry Agricultural Society is claiming

1051
01:25:09,890 --> 01:25:13,229
breach of trust over negotiations is an unhappy with the

1052
01:25:13,269 --> 01:25:17,309
lease being terminated and any parcel of land being sold.

1053
01:25:17,349 --> 01:25:23,350
So what is a solution. Scugog is a large township.

1054
01:25:23,350 --> 01:25:27,590
Why can't other sites be located for a senior's home?

1055
01:25:27,590 --> 01:25:31,270
Building a senior's home at a noisy event site doesn't

1056
01:25:31,291 --> 01:25:35,430
even make sense. And it would lead optimization of the

1057
01:25:35,531 --> 01:25:40,832
land for future events. Allowing the Port Perry agricultural society

1058
01:25:40,933 --> 01:25:43,792
to continue with a 10 - year lease would be

1059
01:25:43,973 --> 01:25:48,272
reasonable. Give them the time to get Lawrence help them

1060
01:25:48,533 --> 01:25:51,632
with the assistant of getting grants so that enhancements are

1061
01:25:51,893 --> 01:25:56,032
reasonable, low - cost, and will help enhance our public

1062
01:25:56,293 --> 01:26:01,236
heritage space. Potentially through dorm region as well. Some of

1063
01:26:01,236 --> 01:26:04,996
the ideas from the community were not outrageous. A public

1064
01:26:05,017 --> 01:26:09,636
garden, walking trails, maybe a concert stand, but very reasonable.

1065
01:26:10,384 --> 01:26:14,905
Create a part committee. With three council members and three

1066
01:26:14,945 --> 01:26:19,865
members from Port Perry Agriculture Society to ensure good governance,

1067
01:26:19,865 --> 01:26:24,985
as suggested, by Councillor LaRoy. Perhaps add several town residents

1068
01:26:25,326 --> 01:26:28,105
as we can all see we're passionate about our public

1069
01:26:28,366 --> 01:26:34,425
fair to ensure broad participation and fair decisions. I'm asking

1070
01:26:34,686 --> 01:26:38,265
the council to restore public trust by keeping the entire

1071
01:26:39,166 --> 01:26:43,545
fair public for residents and taxpayers of Stugog. Let's preserve

1072
01:26:43,585 --> 01:26:47,945
our rich culture and heritage. Give the opportunity back to

1073
01:26:48,446 --> 01:26:53,945
the Port Perry Agriculture Society to obtain grants and to

1074
01:26:54,206 --> 01:26:57,785
build other events so it can be a source of

1075
01:26:57,966 --> 01:27:01,465
pride for the entire community as source of mental health

1076
01:27:01,886 --> 01:27:07,305
respite. A beautiful spot for us to visit and to

1077
01:27:08,126 --> 01:27:11,465
maybe just bring our family there in addition to having

1078
01:27:11,566 --> 01:27:17,181
more events. Thank you. Thank. You. Thank you very much,

1079
01:27:17,202 --> 01:27:22,950
Patricia. Are there any questions or comments. Seeing none, thank

1080
01:27:22,950 --> 01:27:28,750
you for taking the time to come. Okay, we'll move

1081
01:27:28,750 --> 01:27:33,710
on now to our Delegation 4. 8, which is a

1082
01:27:33,750 --> 01:27:39,141
delegation from Larry Corgan and Don Farkerson. We have. A

1083
01:27:39,141 --> 01:27:45,800
body, Bree. You may, I'll move on to the next.

1084
01:27:48,803 --> 01:27:58,439
Delegate 4. 9, which is Becky. Where's Vicky? Where's Bicky?

1085
01:28:24,719 --> 01:28:28,938
Whenever you're ready, Angie. Thank you. Good evening, Mayor Watton.

1086
01:28:28,938 --> 01:28:31,418
Members of Council and Fellow Residents. My name is Andy

1087
01:28:31,458 --> 01:28:35,258
Rosebecki, and I reside at 1183 Craig Road Green Bank.

1088
01:28:36,567 --> 01:28:41,212
Professionally, I work with health care organisations across Canada. Partnering

1089
01:28:41,252 --> 01:28:47,198
with board's executives and public sector leaders. Every day I

1090
01:28:47,198 --> 01:28:52,558
see how transparency, honesty, collaboration, and good governance build trust

1091
01:28:52,739 --> 01:28:56,639
and lead to stronger decisions. These principles aren't just part

1092
01:28:56,639 --> 01:28:59,579
of my profession. They're part of my personal values. And

1093
01:28:59,579 --> 01:29:02,679
they're the reason I'm sitting here tonight. Beside me as

1094
01:29:02,679 --> 01:29:05,239
a photograph of five generations of women in my family.

1095
01:29:05,961 --> 01:29:07,940
To me it's a reminder of the Decisions we make

1096
01:29:07,961 --> 01:29:12,100
today become the legacy we leave tomorrow. Two of my

1097
01:29:12,100 --> 01:29:16,079
children are also farmers. And my grandchildren are already in

1098
01:29:16,079 --> 01:29:19,490
the show ring in our local affairs. When I watch

1099
01:29:19,751 --> 01:29:21,570
them walk into that shell ring, I don't just see

1100
01:29:21,591 --> 01:29:24,930
children showing livestock. I see traditions be in passed down

1101
01:29:25,191 --> 01:29:29,445
one generation to the next. I see the same values

1102
01:29:29,866 --> 01:29:32,645
and experiences that have connected families and strengthen this community

1103
01:29:32,685 --> 01:29:36,885
for generations. For my family, these fairgrounds are not simply

1104
01:29:37,146 --> 01:29:39,765
a piece of land. They are part of our community's

1105
01:29:39,805 --> 01:29:43,800
identity. Like many residents, I came into this process with

1106
01:29:43,901 --> 01:29:47,021
an open mind. I believed we were beginning and honest

1107
01:29:47,042 --> 01:29:49,661
conversation about the future one of the most treasured places

1108
01:29:49,682 --> 01:29:53,661
in our township. I attended meetings. I read reports and

1109
01:29:53,701 --> 01:29:57,523
I listened carefully. And while I understand that changes sometimes

1110
01:29:57,624 --> 01:30:01,203
necessary, the more I learned, the more I became concerned.

1111
01:30:01,304 --> 01:30:04,323
Not because I oppose change, but because I began asking

1112
01:30:04,504 --> 01:30:09,263
whether this process reflected the values of transparency, honesty, and

1113
01:30:09,304 --> 01:30:13,498
collaboration that I believe our community deserves. As I reviewed

1114
01:30:13,538 --> 01:30:16,512
the Reports, one question stayed with me. What has the

1115
01:30:16,773 --> 01:30:19,632
port Perry Ag Society done to deserve losing the stewardship

1116
01:30:19,653 --> 01:30:25,943
at his faithfully provided for generations? From everything I have

1117
01:30:25,943 --> 01:30:29,821
read, I have not found that answer. Instead, I found

1118
01:30:30,082 --> 01:30:34,804
an organisation that has preserved our local heritage. They have

1119
01:30:34,804 --> 01:30:38,484
welcomed thousands of visitors. They have supported local businesses. They've

1120
01:30:38,524 --> 01:30:41,844
invested countless volunteer hours and continually work to improve these

1121
01:30:42,025 --> 01:30:46,084
fairgrounds. The porri - x society did not inherit these

1122
01:30:46,105 --> 01:30:51,044
fairgrounds. Generations of volunteers built them. They maintain them, they

1123
01:30:51,044 --> 01:30:53,284
improve them, and they preserve them for the community we

1124
01:30:53,324 --> 01:30:57,426
enjoy today. They have had ideas. They've had plans and

1125
01:30:57,426 --> 01:31:00,386
they've had a vision. What they've not had is a

1126
01:31:00,426 --> 01:31:03,586
certainty needed to invest confidently in a property when the

1127
01:31:03,626 --> 01:31:07,266
future of their lease remained unclear. If the township knew

1128
01:31:07,287 --> 01:31:12,226
this leafs was approaching its conclusion, I respectfully ask why

1129
01:31:12,226 --> 01:31:18,074
this collaborative work wasn't started much earlier. Why weren't they

1130
01:31:18,074 --> 01:31:20,634
sitting at the same table discussing what was working well.

1131
01:31:21,156 --> 01:31:25,775
What needed improvement and how things could continue serving future

1132
01:31:25,815 --> 01:31:29,775
generations? To me, those questions hurt to blame their questions

1133
01:31:29,815 --> 01:31:34,146
about good governance. Because good governance isn't just about making

1134
01:31:34,247 --> 01:31:37,506
decisions. It's about how we make them. It's about bringing

1135
01:31:37,546 --> 01:31:42,493
people together early. It's about listening before recommendations are finalised.

1136
01:31:42,493 --> 01:31:45,773
And it's about building public confidence through partnership rather than

1137
01:31:45,874 --> 01:31:50,880
process alone. I also hope we remember the extraordinary circumstances

1138
01:31:50,981 --> 01:31:55,040
over the past several years. Like every community organisation that

1139
01:31:55,381 --> 01:32:02,404
agricultural society experiences challenges of COVID. Those years limited opportunities

1140
01:32:02,425 --> 01:32:05,684
to gather fundraise plan and move long - term projects

1141
01:32:05,785 --> 01:32:09,604
forward. I simply hope that context is remembered as council

1142
01:32:09,625 --> 01:32:15,124
considers the egg society's contributions in its future roles. The

1143
01:32:15,124 --> 01:32:18,084
recommendation before council will influence much more than the future

1144
01:32:18,265 --> 01:32:22,884
of approximately 23 acres. They will influence the relationship between

1145
01:32:22,985 --> 01:32:26,804
the township and an organisation that has faithfully cared for

1146
01:32:26,804 --> 01:32:33,365
those grounds for generations. They will influence public trust. They

1147
01:32:33,466 --> 01:32:39,100
will. They also raise important questions about traffic. Infrastructure. Municipal

1148
01:32:39,140 --> 01:32:43,754
services and healthcare capacity. Those are exactly the kinds of

1149
01:32:43,794 --> 01:32:48,394
decisions that deserve time, collaboration and public confidence. I believe

1150
01:32:48,575 --> 01:32:51,594
the township has an important leadership role, but I also

1151
01:32:51,775 --> 01:32:54,954
believe the Port Perry Ag Society has earned the opportunity

1152
01:32:54,994 --> 01:32:58,874
to continue leading the stewardship of these fairgrounds. Not because

1153
01:32:58,914 --> 01:33:02,874
of settlement, but because they have demonstrated over generations that

1154
01:33:02,914 --> 01:33:07,114
they are capable, committed and deeply invested in our community.

1155
01:33:07,114 --> 01:33:10,234
I don't believe the answer is to reduce the role.

1156
01:33:10,274 --> 01:33:12,634
I believe the answer is to straighten the partnership between

1157
01:33:12,735 --> 01:33:15,674
the township and the egg society so that we can

1158
01:33:15,775 --> 01:33:18,874
contribute so each can contribute to what they do best.

1159
01:33:19,997 --> 01:33:22,136
Over the past several weeks, I have listened to many

1160
01:33:22,157 --> 01:33:25,336
members of the community. People don't all agree on every

1161
01:33:25,357 --> 01:33:28,216
detail, but I've heard one message over and over again.

1162
01:33:29,211 --> 01:33:33,330
Take the time, work together, and get this right. Tonight,

1163
01:33:33,330 --> 01:33:36,290
I'm not asking counsel to abandon the vision. I am

1164
01:33:36,290 --> 01:33:40,050
asking you to improve it. Delay this decision, sit down

1165
01:33:40,050 --> 01:33:43,090
with the egg society, build the partnership that so many

1166
01:33:43,111 --> 01:33:46,690
residents believe this process would create from the beginning. Because

1167
01:33:46,951 --> 01:33:49,650
once the public land has sold, it cannot simply be

1168
01:33:50,791 --> 01:33:56,887
bought back. And once public trust is lost, rebuilding it

1169
01:33:56,927 --> 01:33:59,127
is far more difficult than taking a little more time

1170
01:33:59,148 --> 01:34:02,487
to make the right decision. My hope is that in

1171
01:34:02,508 --> 01:34:05,207
years from now, when my grandchildren walk onto these fairgrounds,

1172
01:34:05,207 --> 01:34:09,287
they won't remember a community divided by a decision. My

1173
01:34:09,308 --> 01:34:11,927
hope is that years from now, when my grandchildren walk

1174
01:34:11,927 --> 01:34:15,927
onto these fairgrounds, they're going to walk into the rings.

1175
01:34:15,927 --> 01:34:17,667
They're going to know that we made a choice. And

1176
01:34:17,667 --> 01:34:22,247
we made a choice together. We chose collaboration over urgency.

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01:34:26,938 --> 01:34:30,997
The porry Ike Society did not inherit these fairgrounds. They

1178
01:34:30,997 --> 01:34:36,364
earn them. Through service, through volunteerism, and through stewardship. Through

1179
01:34:36,404 --> 01:34:40,284
more than 170 years of commitment to this committee, community,

1180
01:34:40,284 --> 01:34:43,324
and before we reduce their role, they have faithfully carried

1181
01:34:43,364 --> 01:34:47,724
for generations. I believe one question deserves an answer. What

1182
01:34:47,724 --> 01:34:50,364
have they done to deserve this? From everything I have

1183
01:34:50,364 --> 01:34:53,644
read, the answer is nothing. I respectfully ask that you

1184
01:34:53,684 --> 01:34:56,204
take the time to build the partnership and to get

1185
01:34:56,204 --> 01:34:59,404
this right and to continue the lease. Thank you. Thank

1186
01:34:59,404 --> 01:35:05,292
you, Angie. Are there any questions or comments. Seeing none,

1187
01:35:06,273 --> 01:35:10,812
just one clarification. Uh, and that is that the process

1188
01:35:11,233 --> 01:35:16,092
started long before the consulting. We received the concept plan

1189
01:35:17,633 --> 01:35:20,412
over a year ago. And at that time, we did

1190
01:35:20,433 --> 01:35:25,932
end up meeting with Representatives from the Ag Society. I

1191
01:35:25,932 --> 01:35:28,092
don't know. Was this on a regular basis that you

1192
01:35:28,113 --> 01:35:30,972
met with the egg society? Three or four times, yes,

1193
01:35:30,972 --> 01:35:32,492
we do. Was it put out to the community as

1194
01:35:32,492 --> 01:35:34,892
well? Was there a large? No, no, this was a

1195
01:35:34,932 --> 01:35:42,072
discussion about what their vision was on the concept. You

1196
01:35:42,072 --> 01:35:44,972
offer them support. Did you offer them resources? Did you

1197
01:35:45,012 --> 01:35:48,653
extend them? No, no, no, no. I'm just giving you

1198
01:35:48,674 --> 01:35:52,173
a bit more background where you said that this started

1199
01:35:52,213 --> 01:35:57,133
here. It started prior to then. And they were going

1200
01:35:57,154 --> 01:36:02,253
to initially bring forward a plan. Just as it says

1201
01:36:02,354 --> 01:36:04,733
in their least to bring forward a five - year

1202
01:36:04,733 --> 01:36:08,972
working plan. And I'm not, it doesn't matter. It didn't

1203
01:36:08,993 --> 01:36:12,652
happen because we moved on to the visioning. I just

1204
01:36:12,753 --> 01:36:17,115
wanted to clarify that there had been meetings. With members

1205
01:36:17,296 --> 01:36:22,660
of the egg society. To discuss the concept plan that

1206
01:36:22,700 --> 01:36:26,836
had been present brought forward. And I appreciate that. Thank

1207
01:36:26,836 --> 01:36:29,876
you. I think what I'm looking for, if you respond

1208
01:36:29,897 --> 01:36:32,596
to me, I have a question for you is, were

1209
01:36:32,596 --> 01:36:37,160
the meetings regular. Did you give support for these meetings?

1210
01:36:37,160 --> 01:36:41,160
Did you have any sort of visioning experience with them?

1211
01:36:41,160 --> 01:36:44,840
Did the egg society feel supported with these exercises that

1212
01:36:45,021 --> 01:36:47,640
you participated in? It's an honest question. I don't have

1213
01:36:47,640 --> 01:36:51,857
that answer. I think initially it was working very well.

1214
01:36:54,424 --> 01:36:56,803
So once again, that's going to lead me back together.

1215
01:36:57,577 --> 01:36:59,796
Once again, I have to go back through my notes.

1216
01:37:01,436 --> 01:37:05,415
But I do think we met probably, I don't know,

1217
01:37:05,836 --> 01:37:12,365
four times three or four times. From January to September.

1218
01:37:12,365 --> 01:37:15,388
Oh, no, August, I believe it was. Four times three

1219
01:37:15,388 --> 01:37:18,428
or four times. Again, I'm not, I'm not sure of

1220
01:37:19,169 --> 01:37:22,108
either. Ten many, many meetings. So I want to say

1221
01:37:22,129 --> 01:37:25,708
three or four times. And I think, uh, Mr. Pucker's

1222
01:37:25,748 --> 01:37:31,376
indicating three. I just, I, I truly believe that governance

1223
01:37:31,477 --> 01:37:33,376
is a big piece of this process. And I truly

1224
01:37:33,477 --> 01:37:36,896
believe that sitting down together and continuing the discussions and

1225
01:37:36,936 --> 01:37:41,856
not making any rash decisions is pivotal for a positive

1226
01:37:41,957 --> 01:37:44,336
outcome for everyone. So once again, thank you for your

1227
01:37:44,376 --> 01:37:48,336
time. And thank you. I, as I said to Mr.

1228
01:37:48,437 --> 01:37:50,096
Pucker and I agree with you on that point.

1229
01:38:01,059 --> 01:38:03,998
Okay. We'll back up and we'll go to 4. 8.

1230
01:38:05,213 --> 01:38:13,408
Delegate. Mr. Corgan. Are you good to go now? Okay.

1231
01:38:25,223 --> 01:38:32,432
Councillor. Sorry. I'll always think of you as councillor.

1232
01:38:41,450 --> 01:38:41,829
Eight years.

1233
01:38:51,313 --> 01:39:01,218
Whenever you're ready. Let me begin

1234
01:39:01,258 --> 01:39:06,573
by saying it's always a homecoming. To be here in

1235
01:39:06,994 --> 01:39:13,904
these hallowed chambers. Of democracy. At so many levels of

1236
01:39:14,165 --> 01:39:18,808
understanding and memory. Given the number of citizens here this

1237
01:39:18,848 --> 01:39:25,048
evening or online viewing, it is a testament to the

1238
01:39:25,048 --> 01:39:31,288
fact democracy is alive and well in the township of

1239
01:39:31,869 --> 01:39:41,164
Skewgog. And for those of you who are engaged. It

1240
01:39:41,345 --> 01:39:48,675
presents an opportunity to learn. And practice the art and

1241
01:39:48,715 --> 01:39:55,885
science of effective governance and politics. So to all of

1242
01:39:55,885 --> 01:40:01,144
you, I say thank you. And we are here, Don

1243
01:40:01,144 --> 01:40:04,126
and I, if he's online, there he is. We were

1244
01:40:04,166 --> 01:40:07,348
often referred to as the odd couple. But we happened

1245
01:40:07,388 --> 01:40:11,009
to enjoy the company of one another. And support one

1246
01:40:11,009 --> 01:40:15,649
another on behalf of the retired teachers of Ontario are

1247
01:40:15,670 --> 01:40:25,128
now called Enhant. Education Canada. And we recognise

1248
01:40:26,829 --> 01:40:30,168
there is a lot of information to digest within a

1249
01:40:30,208 --> 01:40:33,686
short period. But we thank you for the opportunity to

1250
01:40:33,787 --> 01:40:37,938
engage. This is, it's been mentioned prior is only a

1251
01:40:37,978 --> 01:40:43,457
conceptual visit vision, not a site plan. Which in our

1252
01:40:43,457 --> 01:40:46,977
view, captures the future and immediate needs of the township

1253
01:40:47,798 --> 01:40:51,697
with respect to conservation of Parkland, the continuance of the

1254
01:40:51,878 --> 01:40:57,598
Port Pere, but most importantly for seniors care. It is

1255
01:40:57,699 --> 01:41:01,598
within walking distance to the hospital and medical associate buildings.

1256
01:41:02,332 --> 01:41:06,951
Provides access for their families, grandchildren, animals, as well as

1257
01:41:07,052 --> 01:41:12,258
nature herself. Seniors have told us they don't want to

1258
01:41:12,258 --> 01:41:17,636
be warehoused and institutions. Who put profit ahead of service.

1259
01:41:19,477 --> 01:41:25,019
Miles from their family and friends. Scugog is aging faster

1260
01:41:25,280 --> 01:41:31,157
than any other municipality endura. To the 2021 census over

1261
01:41:31,418 --> 01:41:35,964
42 percent of our population is 55 and older. Approximately

1262
01:41:36,625 --> 01:41:41,952
9, 000 residents in growing rapidly. The 226 consensus will

1263
01:41:41,952 --> 01:41:45,847
show a rise in these numbers. Over 2, 300 residents

1264
01:41:46,428 --> 01:41:50,559
in Durham are waiting long - term care. With an

1265
01:41:50,559 --> 01:41:58,079
average weight of 58 days, this can be reduced with

1266
01:41:58,420 --> 01:42:05,505
purposed built senior housing and care. It would allow our

1267
01:42:05,846 --> 01:42:10,587
valued seniors to downsize. Stay in the community. They help

1268
01:42:10,608 --> 01:42:15,467
grow and maintain. Reduce their carbon footprint and give young

1269
01:42:15,568 --> 01:42:21,453
families immediate access to housing. Given their proximity to water

1270
01:42:21,714 --> 01:42:25,853
and sewer, it would require only local approval to build

1271
01:42:25,874 --> 01:42:30,027
out. This will not address all the needs for senior

1272
01:42:30,067 --> 01:42:33,307
housing and long - term care, but is one small

1273
01:42:33,888 --> 01:42:37,867
step forward in the right direction of developing a long

1274
01:42:37,968 --> 01:42:41,707
- term community and schoolgog - driven vision as our

1275
01:42:41,747 --> 01:42:47,059
beautiful community grows and development. The province has indicated to

1276
01:42:47,320 --> 01:42:50,869
dawn in our meetings with them. Once the township brings

1277
01:42:51,610 --> 01:42:56,709
forward something comprehensive, they in the federal government will help

1278
01:42:56,730 --> 01:43:00,390
fund it. All we need is the political will to

1279
01:43:00,390 --> 01:43:02,870
get it done. It is a win - win scenario

1280
01:43:03,051 --> 01:43:09,695
for the entire community. We will continue our advocacy in

1281
01:43:09,695 --> 01:43:13,215
empowering efforts on behalf of senior housing and care with

1282
01:43:13,316 --> 01:43:18,555
the support of the local provincial Onton Education Canada. Our

1283
01:43:18,555 --> 01:43:25,295
local developers, including the Durham region, Mississauga's Gugog First Nations,

1284
01:43:25,295 --> 01:43:29,615
staff and council, as well as the Port Periagriculture Society.

1285
01:43:29,796 --> 01:43:34,735
And other interest groups with respect to best managers practices,

1286
01:43:34,735 --> 01:43:37,915
the literature and research is telling us. We are willing

1287
01:43:37,955 --> 01:43:42,315
to work with the agricultural society to promote the importance

1288
01:43:42,355 --> 01:43:50,423
of agriculture in the classroom. The questions we have directed

1289
01:43:50,444 --> 01:43:55,863
to staff, I recognise it's not proper engagement and accept

1290
01:43:55,903 --> 01:43:58,483
that. But I'm going to raise them in public, not

1291
01:43:58,483 --> 01:44:02,503
just for the staff, but for the entire community to

1292
01:44:02,543 --> 01:44:06,734
ponder, think about, reflect, and give feedback. The questions we

1293
01:44:06,755 --> 01:44:12,414
have directed to the CA, or Mr. Warren Mayor, whom,

1294
01:44:12,414 --> 01:44:16,958
by the way, I respect deeply. On what he brings

1295
01:44:16,979 --> 01:44:21,384
to this community. And the qualifications he holds, and the

1296
01:44:21,424 --> 01:44:25,604
encounters I've had with him, with great respect, sir. And

1297
01:44:25,604 --> 01:44:27,826
I take my hat off to you. And thank you.

1298
01:44:27,927 --> 01:44:32,066
Mr. Corgan, you - Yes, final conclusion. So how does

1299
01:44:32,087 --> 01:44:36,226
the township address the concern that a notesied developer will

1300
01:44:36,407 --> 01:44:39,586
actually address the need for senior housing and not use

1301
01:44:39,586 --> 01:44:41,986
it for other types of housing or flip the lands

1302
01:44:42,026 --> 01:44:45,689
to another developer, given our local history. What would be

1303
01:44:46,430 --> 01:44:49,729
a realistic timeline for an actual build - out? If

1304
01:44:49,729 --> 01:44:53,929
there is the bookletic will to do so, and what

1305
01:44:53,969 --> 01:44:56,649
it interfere with the present nuisance of the remaining lands.

1306
01:44:57,759 --> 01:45:01,658
And would the township consider being the developer in partnership.

1307
01:45:02,355 --> 01:45:06,094
With the AIDS society? That's a concept. To build out

1308
01:45:06,115 --> 01:45:11,034
rental units similar to what a Perth geriatician builds out

1309
01:45:11,635 --> 01:45:19,760
with a pharmacist partner. And what Ms. Oscugog First Nations,

1310
01:45:19,760 --> 01:45:24,237
who honour their elders, build out for them. And I

1311
01:45:24,277 --> 01:45:27,757
would invite everyone to take a look and visit that

1312
01:45:28,098 --> 01:45:31,517
if you haven't seen. Well, how they honour their elders

1313
01:45:32,178 --> 01:45:35,437
and what they do for them. Thank you, Madam Chair.

1314
01:45:35,458 --> 01:45:41,572
Thank you, Mr. Corgan. Are there any questions. Seeing none,

1315
01:45:41,572 --> 01:45:43,812
thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you for being

1316
01:45:43,833 --> 01:45:51,545
here, Don, online. Okay, we'll move on to our last

1317
01:45:51,806 --> 01:46:00,048
delegation. Which is Paula Wilson. Paul Ar.

1318
01:46:15,454 --> 01:46:19,060
Okay, you're right. Uh, thank you for giving me the

1319
01:46:19,100 --> 01:46:22,420
opportunity to speak before counsel on this really important matter.

1320
01:46:22,420 --> 01:46:24,900
Um, I believe, uh, that it's, my name is Paula

1321
01:46:24,921 --> 01:46:28,260
Wilson, and I live at 27 Andrews Drive. And just

1322
01:46:28,260 --> 01:46:30,900
to make a quick correction, I believe Mr. Puckrin is

1323
01:46:30,921 --> 01:46:36,220
actually Dr. Puckerin. Okay. I think it's really important what

1324
01:46:36,220 --> 01:46:39,260
we're doing today and hear this discussion. It's important and

1325
01:46:39,260 --> 01:46:42,300
vital to the future of this community to really preserve

1326
01:46:42,401 --> 01:46:46,140
all of the fairgrounds as public space. The staff report

1327
01:46:46,180 --> 01:46:49,340
that is before counsel today has seven recommendations. I am

1328
01:46:49,340 --> 01:46:53,820
strongly urging counsel to consider and vote only on recommendation

1329
01:46:54,161 --> 01:46:57,580
one, which is to receive the report for information. I

1330
01:46:57,681 --> 01:47:00,780
strongly believe that the other recommendations should not be considered

1331
01:47:01,441 --> 01:47:04,620
or endorsed at this time for a number of reasons.

1332
01:47:04,620 --> 01:47:06,460
And given the time I have, I will try and

1333
01:47:07,201 --> 01:47:09,980
limit it to three points. Uh, the first one is

1334
01:47:10,401 --> 01:47:15,180
timing. The staff recommendations are different from the consultants report,

1335
01:47:15,180 --> 01:47:17,900
and we'll have long - lasting implications for the community,

1336
01:47:17,900 --> 01:47:20,940
especially the sale of land for private development. There has

1337
01:47:20,980 --> 01:47:23,740
not been enough time for the public to review these

1338
01:47:23,921 --> 01:47:27,820
recommendations and consider the consultants final report to reflect on

1339
01:47:27,860 --> 01:47:31,260
the contents of both staff and consultant report and to

1340
01:47:31,260 --> 01:47:33,980
provide feedback to the community, to the council before the

1341
01:47:34,001 --> 01:47:37,500
decisions are made. This was released to the public lesson

1342
01:47:37,540 --> 01:47:39,640
a week ago on July 8th. This is in the

1343
01:47:39,640 --> 01:47:42,380
middle of July. Kids are a home from school. People

1344
01:47:42,380 --> 01:47:45,500
are busier than normal, especially families, and many people are

1345
01:47:45,521 --> 01:47:50,060
on vacation. This is not enough time for the community

1346
01:47:50,100 --> 01:47:53,340
to really react to what the staff recommendations are to

1347
01:47:53,340 --> 01:47:58,499
give feedback to council. What I understand that the community

1348
01:47:58,680 --> 01:48:01,459
has had an opportunity to share the ideas, to create

1349
01:48:01,480 --> 01:48:04,739
the consultant report, the community has not had an opportunity

1350
01:48:04,760 --> 01:48:09,088
to react to the staff recommendations. They are two completely

1351
01:48:09,109 --> 01:48:13,333
different things in my mind. And even five minutes per

1352
01:48:13,354 --> 01:48:17,653
person is a little crazy, just saying. The current council,

1353
01:48:17,653 --> 01:48:19,733
so also related to timing, but a different aspect is

1354
01:48:19,773 --> 01:48:21,973
that the current council will be ending its mandate in

1355
01:48:22,013 --> 01:48:24,333
a few months since it's already been pointed out. So

1356
01:48:24,333 --> 01:48:26,693
perhaps this is not the moment to be making major

1357
01:48:26,714 --> 01:48:30,845
commitment for our community. It is important. This is really

1358
01:48:30,845 --> 01:48:33,165
important. We've heard from a number of people how important

1359
01:48:33,266 --> 01:48:35,805
it is and how important the fairgrounds are and how

1360
01:48:35,845 --> 01:48:39,805
important the continuation of the fair on those fairgrounds is.

1361
01:48:39,805 --> 01:48:42,365
And therefore, there is no rush for this. And I

1362
01:48:42,365 --> 01:48:45,245
don't understand why it was released on a Wednesday and

1363
01:48:45,266 --> 01:48:47,885
on Monday, you have to make a decision. You don't.

1364
01:48:47,885 --> 01:48:50,605
And I strongly encourage you to take the time and

1365
01:48:50,605 --> 01:48:53,165
get more input before you make any decisions at all.

1366
01:48:54,066 --> 01:48:56,765
The second point why I don't think you should accept

1367
01:48:56,786 --> 01:49:00,285
the recommendations is that the staff report recommends, of course,

1368
01:49:00,285 --> 01:49:02,045
the sale of the land, which we've talked about a

1369
01:49:02,045 --> 01:49:05,645
lot, and we've heard almost all the delegations in strong

1370
01:49:05,666 --> 01:49:09,165
support of not selling any land at this time. The

1371
01:49:09,186 --> 01:49:12,365
documentation states that the revisioning is supposed to be community

1372
01:49:12,466 --> 01:49:15,405
- led, but in my reading of the documents provided,

1373
01:49:15,405 --> 01:49:18,525
which was the report of the consultants and additional materials.

1374
01:49:18,525 --> 01:49:21,085
I don't see any place where anyone is advocating to

1375
01:49:21,186 --> 01:49:24,365
sell off that land. Sorry. There's not, it's not there.

1376
01:49:24,706 --> 01:49:27,085
In the report on page 108 of the agenda, which

1377
01:49:27,085 --> 01:49:29,725
is part of the consultant report, is a list of

1378
01:49:29,746 --> 01:49:32,205
key findings, which notes a number of things like open

1379
01:49:32,245 --> 01:49:37,245
space recreation gathering agricultural identity, not sale of land. Further

1380
01:49:37,346 --> 01:49:40,445
down at notes that overall round two confirmed broad support

1381
01:49:40,546 --> 01:49:44,285
for maintaining the fairgrounds as publicly accessible community serving space

1382
01:49:44,786 --> 01:49:46,925
not to be sold for housing. It doesn't say anything

1383
01:49:46,946 --> 01:49:51,189
about selling for housing. Many participants, according to the report,

1384
01:49:51,290 --> 01:49:55,029
express concern about housing loss of open space over development

1385
01:49:55,290 --> 01:49:58,869
privatization, et cetera. Over 80 percent, and there are no

1386
01:49:58,869 --> 01:50:01,189
numbers in that report, and I would like to note

1387
01:50:01,189 --> 01:50:05,269
that the comments made about the deficiencies in the report.

1388
01:50:05,269 --> 01:50:07,429
I agree with. But the one number I saw was

1389
01:50:07,450 --> 01:50:11,189
that over 80 percent did not support even exploring mixed

1390
01:50:11,210 --> 01:50:13,749
use of a small of a part of that land.

1391
01:50:13,749 --> 01:50:16,069
So the vast majority of people, and as we've heard

1392
01:50:16,109 --> 01:50:20,148
from today, do not support sale of that land. The

1393
01:50:20,169 --> 01:50:22,108
argument in the report is that it must sell to

1394
01:50:22,108 --> 01:50:24,468
secure funding for development of the space, and that space

1395
01:50:24,508 --> 01:50:27,188
must be self - esteint, self - sustaining. I think

1396
01:50:27,209 --> 01:50:32,468
that that decision is premature and not supported, not necessary

1397
01:50:32,569 --> 01:50:35,588
at this time. Costs have yet to be identified. There

1398
01:50:35,588 --> 01:50:38,788
is no plan, and other sources of funding have not

1399
01:50:38,828 --> 01:50:42,388
been explored. A huge piece, and then finally my third

1400
01:50:43,769 --> 01:50:46,388
point is that a huge piece is missing from this

1401
01:50:46,489 --> 01:50:50,401
entire process. Regarding the future of the Port Peri Fair,

1402
01:50:50,401 --> 01:50:54,721
and the relationship with the portural society. The consultant report

1403
01:50:54,742 --> 01:50:57,761
and supporting documents make it clear that the community values

1404
01:50:57,862 --> 01:51:01,341
the relationship of the fairgrounds to our agricultural heritage. And

1405
01:51:01,382 --> 01:51:04,435
as a location for the fair. If you look on

1406
01:51:04,456 --> 01:51:06,515
page 108 of the agenda, which is part of the

1407
01:51:06,555 --> 01:51:10,115
report, it talks about, it's the notes that improvements to

1408
01:51:10,115 --> 01:51:13,635
the fairgrounds were generally supported when they complemented the fairgrounds

1409
01:51:14,056 --> 01:51:19,921
existing role. On page 109, common combinations of things that

1410
01:51:20,102 --> 01:51:23,681
were supported by the community, included maintaining the fair and

1411
01:51:23,681 --> 01:51:28,461
open space functions. They're not talking about housing again. Um,

1412
01:51:28,502 --> 01:51:30,701
there's a number of other examples I could give, but

1413
01:51:30,701 --> 01:51:33,441
I won't, because I'm running out of, um, out of

1414
01:51:33,942 --> 01:51:36,801
time here. But the bottom line here is that what's

1415
01:51:36,841 --> 01:51:40,641
missing in this report is any consultation with the portiacultural

1416
01:51:40,662 --> 01:51:45,281
society, any collaboration, any open partnership, any extension of a

1417
01:51:45,321 --> 01:51:48,881
discussion to figure out how the Port Perry Fair can

1418
01:51:48,902 --> 01:51:50,961
continue to be on that space if there are going

1419
01:51:50,961 --> 01:51:54,081
to be changes made. Uh, I think the selling of

1420
01:51:54,121 --> 01:51:56,401
part of the land, as well as the wreath visioning

1421
01:51:56,401 --> 01:51:58,561
of these three areas, may make it impossible for the

1422
01:51:58,902 --> 01:52:02,481
fair to actually be take place there. And you wouldn't

1423
01:52:02,521 --> 01:52:04,401
even know if it was or not, because you haven't

1424
01:52:05,462 --> 01:52:07,841
spoken as far as I know to the actual agricultural

1425
01:52:07,862 --> 01:52:12,881
society. Thank you. And in going to just finish up,

1426
01:52:12,881 --> 01:52:14,241
as someone else had a lot more time, I'm just

1427
01:52:14,241 --> 01:52:16,641
going to want to make a final point. If council

1428
01:52:16,681 --> 01:52:18,801
wants to endorse anything today, I would say that they

1429
01:52:18,822 --> 01:52:21,761
should be endorsing the keeping of all of the fairgrounds

1430
01:52:22,022 --> 01:52:24,961
for public space, and they should endorse and commit to

1431
01:52:24,982 --> 01:52:28,801
working with the port periagricultural society and to the community

1432
01:52:28,982 --> 01:52:31,121
to plan out the future of that space. It should

1433
01:52:31,121 --> 01:52:33,441
not be left to staff at this time. Thank you

1434
01:52:33,481 --> 01:52:42,149
very much. Are there any further. Okay, thank you. Are

1435
01:52:42,189 --> 01:52:48,133
there any questions. Councillor Guido. It wasn't a question, but

1436
01:52:48,133 --> 01:52:52,633
just to the delegate, I appreciate your frustration with Council

1437
01:52:52,633 --> 01:52:55,353
Agendas being available on the Wednesday. However, that is our

1438
01:52:55,454 --> 01:52:59,913
procedural bylaw. Every single council agenda is available on Wednesday

1439
01:53:00,254 --> 01:53:03,653
and gives us a limited days to absorb, read, and

1440
01:53:03,653 --> 01:53:06,313
digest. So it's not, I just wanted to state that

1441
01:53:06,353 --> 01:53:09,673
it's not unique to this particular topic. It wasn't done

1442
01:53:09,713 --> 01:53:13,673
for nefarious reasons. It's literally how the Council agendas work.

1443
01:53:15,214 --> 01:53:17,513
Thank you. I fully understand that, but given the nature

1444
01:53:17,513 --> 01:53:20,233
of this, it doesn't, it's still not fair and not

1445
01:53:20,254 --> 01:53:22,953
right to be making these series decisions so quickly. You

1446
01:53:23,134 --> 01:53:26,553
really just haven't, you need to involve the community. Explain

1447
01:53:26,574 --> 01:53:30,313
what the proposals are, what they mean takes sometimes. There's

1448
01:53:30,334 --> 01:53:36,432
no rush here. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, that concludes

1449
01:53:37,893 --> 01:53:41,152
our delegation list. So if I could, I'd ask for

1450
01:53:41,493 --> 01:53:46,272
a motion to receive all the delegations as presented Council

1451
01:53:46,293 --> 01:53:51,812
Guido, Secondary, Councillor Wright, all in favor. Thank you. And

1452
01:53:51,812 --> 01:54:00,312
if I could also just quickly ask that we receive

1453
01:54:00,493 --> 01:54:04,872
all the items of correspondence, item 7. 1 to 7.

1454
01:54:04,893 --> 01:54:09,592
7. In item 7. 9 to 7. 10 regarding the

1455
01:54:09,853 --> 01:54:13,192
Port Perri Fairgrounds for Information. If I could have a

1456
01:54:13,192 --> 01:54:17,239
motion to receive them. Councillor LaRoy, Councillor McDougal, thank you

1457
01:54:17,580 --> 01:54:23,947
all in favor. And that is carried. Okay, so at

1458
01:54:23,987 --> 01:54:31,326
this time. I've done all that, right? So I just

1459
01:54:31,326 --> 01:54:34,075
do. This now. So at this time I would ask

1460
01:54:34,656 --> 01:54:38,555
before consideration of the report comes forward that I will

1461
01:54:39,216 --> 01:54:44,395
vacate the chair to Deputy Merrick Wedo. And in order

1462
01:54:44,435 --> 01:54:45,675
to introduce motion.

1463
01:55:01,847 --> 01:55:05,787
Thank you, Madam Mayor. I thought. Bio break I was

1464
01:55:05,787 --> 01:55:10,767
getting excited to get up. Nonetheless, thank you Madam Mayor.

1465
01:55:10,767 --> 01:55:12,367
I understand you have a motion that you would like

1466
01:55:12,468 --> 01:55:18,965
to put on the floor. Thank you. Yes. Through the

1467
01:55:18,965 --> 01:55:25,305
chair, I would move that report CAO 2026 - 006.

1468
01:55:25,305 --> 01:55:29,625
The Fairgrounds Vision Exercise be deferred until the first quarter

1469
01:55:29,806 --> 01:55:34,505
of 2027. My reasoning for this is that I have

1470
01:55:34,686 --> 01:55:40,335
taken and contemplated most of the weekend. The feedback not

1471
01:55:40,375 --> 01:55:45,941
only on social media, all the emails received. Some of

1472
01:55:45,941 --> 01:55:49,793
the questions I myself had within the report. And respecting

1473
01:55:49,814 --> 01:55:55,633
all the things that we heard today. I would just

1474
01:55:55,814 --> 01:56:02,273
respectfully ask that the report be deferred until the first

1475
01:56:02,273 --> 01:56:05,069
quarter of the new year. And is that your motion

1476
01:56:05,090 --> 01:56:07,549
you're putting on the slower, Madam Mayor? Yes. I'll need

1477
01:56:07,589 --> 01:56:13,816
a seconder. I'll ask for a seconder. Councillor Coin. Any

1478
01:56:13,997 --> 01:56:19,363
questions to the motion. Is your hand up from the

1479
01:56:19,384 --> 01:56:26,467
first, yep? Councillor McDougal. Thank you Madam Deputy Mayor. I

1480
01:56:26,488 --> 01:56:29,427
can see no reason at this time that we can't

1481
01:56:29,688 --> 01:56:35,589
receive the visioning exercise. As of today. Through Madam Mayor

1482
01:56:35,589 --> 01:56:38,957
to the Maker of the Motion. Are you requesting a

1483
01:56:38,997 --> 01:56:40,877
friendly amendment to the motion that is on the floor.

1484
01:56:41,458 --> 01:56:43,017
I don't know if that would be friendly or not.

1485
01:56:46,773 --> 01:56:54,663
Defurral's on the floor. Recorded vote, please. We're not at

1486
01:56:54,684 --> 01:57:02,329
that stage yet. Councillor McDougal. Councillor LaRoye. Yes, thank you,

1487
01:57:02,329 --> 01:57:05,478
Deputy Madam Mayor, through you. A procedural question, if I

1488
01:57:05,518 --> 01:57:08,407
may. We have a lot of people in attendance, and

1489
01:57:08,407 --> 01:57:11,947
I would like staff and RCO to present this visioning

1490
01:57:11,968 --> 01:57:15,606
exercise. And I'm not sure if we defer it, do

1491
01:57:15,606 --> 01:57:17,486
we lose that opportunity to have a presented this evening

1492
01:57:17,507 --> 01:57:24,104
for this audience. Unless I allow or ask the CAO

1493
01:57:24,125 --> 01:57:27,384
to do the presentation of the report, then yes, theoretically,

1494
01:57:27,384 --> 01:57:29,624
once the vote is called, then it is deferred until

1495
01:57:29,664 --> 01:57:35,983
the first quarter of 2027. So if the ask is

1496
01:57:36,084 --> 01:57:40,383
for our CAO to provide a overview of the report,

1497
01:57:40,423 --> 01:57:42,863
I will defer to the CAO if this is something.

1498
01:57:43,556 --> 01:57:51,474
He's on the table. Okay. Defer. Okay. I am learning

1499
01:57:51,575 --> 01:57:54,487
something as well. So right now the motion on the

1500
01:57:54,487 --> 01:58:01,605
floor is to defer the decision until 2027. We have

1501
01:58:01,706 --> 01:58:04,965
a moved and second. Are there any other questions, comments

1502
01:58:05,546 --> 01:58:08,971
on this motion that's on the floor. Any other first

1503
01:58:09,072 --> 01:58:15,833
- time questioners before I moved to Councillor McDougal. Councillor

1504
01:58:15,873 --> 01:58:18,473
McDougal. Thank you, Madam Mayor. Do we have Representatives of

1505
01:58:18,513 --> 01:58:20,953
Darwin Pivot here tonight to answer questions of their report?

1506
01:58:22,094 --> 01:58:25,353
Madam Deputy Mayor. Sorry. Thank you, Madam Deputy Mayor. Uh,

1507
01:58:25,934 --> 01:58:28,393
I don't believe we do, but the CAO can answer

1508
01:58:28,433 --> 01:58:38,098
that question. It has nothing to do with the deferral

1509
01:58:38,199 --> 01:58:40,498
councillor McDougal. The only thing we're debating now is the

1510
01:58:41,079 --> 01:58:43,298
motion on the floor for the deferral. Well, I certainly

1511
01:58:43,338 --> 01:58:45,858
wouldn't want to make a motion to defer and approve

1512
01:58:45,879 --> 01:58:48,418
that to have representatives here that we then send away

1513
01:58:48,679 --> 01:58:54,009
that could answer our questions. Councillor McDougal, I think you're

1514
01:58:54,049 --> 01:58:57,049
well aware of what the representatives from Darwin Pivot look

1515
01:58:57,070 --> 01:58:59,449
like. If you don't see them here, I don't see

1516
01:58:59,550 --> 01:59:03,689
them online. That probably answers the question. Thank you very

1517
01:59:03,689 --> 01:59:12,295
much. Councillor LaRoye. Yes through you, Madam Deputy Mayor. I'm

1518
01:59:12,295 --> 01:59:15,595
so sorry. Another procedural question. Can we have some clarification

1519
01:59:15,616 --> 01:59:19,835
on the outcome between deferringness to the future and receiving

1520
01:59:19,856 --> 01:59:23,915
it for information? Before I try to answer that, I

1521
01:59:24,016 --> 01:59:28,384
will ask the clerk procedurally. If we are allowed to

1522
01:59:28,384 --> 01:59:33,151
give that distinction. Through you Madam Deputy Mayor, so the

1523
01:59:33,151 --> 01:59:35,791
distinction would be that a deferral would likely include a

1524
01:59:35,972 --> 01:59:38,991
time provision for this to come back, receiving for information

1525
01:59:39,252 --> 01:59:41,871
would not be specific. And there would be no direction

1526
01:59:42,052 --> 01:59:44,431
or instruction to bring it back at a certain time.

1527
01:59:50,110 --> 01:59:52,409
So if we want this to go away forever, we

1528
01:59:53,630 --> 01:59:56,809
table it. If we wanted to come back to the

1529
01:59:56,910 --> 02:00:01,863
next council, we'd defer it. So procedurally tabling would be

1530
02:00:01,863 --> 02:00:04,903
different. Receive for information, it could come back. The staff

1531
02:00:04,924 --> 02:00:08,183
could choose to bring it back. Council could direct stop

1532
02:00:08,223 --> 02:00:11,303
to bring it back. Tabling is another mechanism with which

1533
02:00:11,724 --> 02:00:14,823
it would essentially shelve it. And it would require counsel

1534
02:00:14,823 --> 02:00:19,249
to pull it from that shelf. Via notice a motion,

1535
02:00:19,249 --> 02:00:20,849
if I'm. But I notice the motion. So that would

1536
02:00:20,889 --> 02:00:24,609
take a couple, essentially schedules of council in order to

1537
02:00:24,609 --> 02:00:30,180
do so. I think I'd rather table it. Well, right

1538
02:00:30,180 --> 02:00:37,075
now the motion is on the floor for deferral. Are

1539
02:00:37,075 --> 02:00:42,348
there any further questions. I recorded vote has been requested.

1540
02:00:42,348 --> 02:00:45,148
And just to remind members of council, the motion that

1541
02:00:45,329 --> 02:00:49,868
is on the floor is that the report is deferred

1542
02:00:50,049 --> 02:00:53,868
until the first quarter of 2027. Once that is voted

1543
02:00:53,889 --> 02:00:58,348
on, the conversation on the report has concluded. Correct? Thank

1544
02:00:58,348 --> 02:01:03,229
you. On the. Deferral motion, uh, please indicate whether you're

1545
02:01:03,269 --> 02:01:13,043
in favor or opposed regional counsel McDougal. Opposed. Councillor Coin.

1546
02:01:15,382 --> 02:01:24,846
In favor. Councillor Guido. In favor. Councillor Roy. Opposed.

1547
02:01:26,130 --> 02:01:31,433
Councillor Rock. In favor. Councillor Wright.

1548
02:01:36,871 --> 02:01:44,021
In favor. And Mayer won. In favor. And that. Passes.

1549
02:01:45,375 --> 02:01:49,274
Uh, members of the public. What we have heard this

1550
02:01:49,314 --> 02:01:54,874
evening in your letters, in your delegations, your request is

1551
02:01:54,914 --> 02:01:59,434
that this is referred to the next term of counsel.

1552
02:02:00,648 --> 02:02:04,707
That's what this action has provided. It is provided that

1553
02:02:04,728 --> 02:02:07,747
the next term of council is able to make whatever

1554
02:02:07,928 --> 02:02:13,526
decisions they as a council want for that report. So

1555
02:02:14,027 --> 02:02:16,886
I am unclear as to why there might be some

1556
02:02:17,467 --> 02:02:22,086
displeasure with that outcome as every letter that was written

1557
02:02:22,587 --> 02:02:26,966
was asking for members of council to consider whether or

1558
02:02:26,966 --> 02:02:29,286
not this could be moved to the next term of

1559
02:02:29,307 --> 02:02:34,822
council, uh, for that council to vote on. So this

1560
02:02:35,323 --> 02:02:39,782
is made no change to status quo, which is as

1561
02:02:39,822 --> 02:02:48,888
of today. Motion for recess. Councillor Coin.

1562
02:02:49,390 --> 02:02:53,082
Councillor Rock, all is in favor. And that is carried.

1563
02:02:53,082 --> 02:02:58,617
Thank you. Oh, for how long? 10 minutes. Ten minutes.

1564
02:22:43,505 --> 02:22:46,284
Welcome back. I'd like to call this meeting back to

1565
02:22:46,465 --> 02:22:53,224
order and continue with the business of the day. And

1566
02:22:53,224 --> 02:22:58,764
that would be item number six motion for the Adoption

1567
02:22:58,785 --> 02:23:04,924
of the Minutes from our previous council meeting June 22nd,

1568
02:23:04,924 --> 02:23:07,644
2026. Could I have a mover in a seconder, please?

1569
02:23:08,785 --> 02:23:14,292
Councillor McDougall, Councillor Wright, thank you all in favor. And

1570
02:23:14,393 --> 02:23:19,474
I was, Kerry, thank you very much. Now we will

1571
02:23:19,895 --> 02:23:25,714
move on to item 7. 11, which is the Oxford

1572
02:23:25,895 --> 02:23:31,454
Scugog Animal Shelter sponsorship package. I'll ask our CAO, Mr.

1573
02:23:31,575 --> 02:23:36,077
Marr, to just speak to it. Please. Thank you. Through

1574
02:23:36,077 --> 02:23:39,677
Madam Mayor, this report, I'm apologised, excuse me, for the

1575
02:23:39,717 --> 02:23:42,717
last minute edition of this. But this report was put

1576
02:23:42,738 --> 02:23:45,277
forward as it came forward to Oxford Council earlier today

1577
02:23:45,298 --> 02:23:49,997
as well. It is just simply seeking endorsement to, excuse

1578
02:23:49,997 --> 02:23:54,157
me, from council with regards to the attached sponsorship package.

1579
02:23:54,157 --> 02:23:57,357
So that way, both municipalities can go off and solicit

1580
02:23:57,618 --> 02:24:00,557
funds to help with a capital and operating costs of

1581
02:24:00,557 --> 02:24:04,397
running the animal shelter. One small note is at the

1582
02:24:04,498 --> 02:24:07,757
sponsorship package that was included as attachment to notes that

1583
02:24:07,858 --> 02:24:09,837
it would be 20 year or up to 20 year

1584
02:24:09,837 --> 02:24:13,837
terms. It was amended by Oxford's Council today to say

1585
02:24:13,938 --> 02:24:17,197
10 to 20 years. So that would, but that is

1586
02:24:17,237 --> 02:24:19,517
what would be on the floor as part of the

1587
02:24:19,557 --> 02:24:24,265
sponsorship package tonight. Thank you. Could I have a mover

1588
02:24:24,286 --> 02:24:28,105
in a seconder? Councillor McDougal, Councillor Rock. And then in

1589
02:24:28,105 --> 02:24:32,008
questions to the report, Councillor McDougal. Thank you, Madam Mayor.

1590
02:24:32,008 --> 02:24:35,128
I gladly move that. I am desperately interested in the

1591
02:24:35,229 --> 02:24:38,408
naming rights for 2 million dollars to name this the

1592
02:24:38,429 --> 02:24:41,848
David Barton shelter, but I'm curious if it's only going

1593
02:24:41,848 --> 02:24:46,568
to last for 10 years. I'm not sure if I

1594
02:24:46,669 --> 02:24:48,728
want to spend 2 million dollars on that. Can you

1595
02:24:48,728 --> 02:24:53,848
confirm that? I think you can confirm that all by

1596
02:24:53,949 --> 02:24:58,568
yourself and ask Mayor Barton. But would it only be

1597
02:24:58,608 --> 02:25:00,808
a 10 year naming right for the 2 million dollars?

1598
02:25:01,789 --> 02:25:04,008
My understanding is it's going to be handled on an

1599
02:25:04,048 --> 02:25:09,033
individual basis. So maybe. Yes, you better may. That is

1600
02:25:09,033 --> 02:25:10,453
correct. And it could be up to 20 years, but

1601
02:25:10,453 --> 02:25:13,622
it would be negotiated given the value at stake. The

1602
02:25:13,622 --> 02:25:17,386
value of the naming right. Correct. All right. Like you

1603
02:25:17,386 --> 02:25:19,226
get golf tickets every year for the next 20 years

1604
02:25:19,247 --> 02:25:22,666
at least. That I don't know. Okay. Thank you. I

1605
02:25:22,666 --> 02:25:25,883
don't know that the dogs have tickets to give. Thank

1606
02:25:25,923 --> 02:25:33,635
you. Are there any further questions to the report.

1607
02:25:35,912 --> 02:25:40,150
Seeing none, all in favor. And that is carried. Thank

1608
02:25:40,150 --> 02:25:44,310
you very much. At this time, I will ask for

1609
02:25:44,331 --> 02:25:51,035
a motion to move into. Oh, sorry. Oh, the clerk

1610
02:25:51,075 --> 02:25:54,635
is reminding me that, uh, I miss 7. 8, which

1611
02:25:54,635 --> 02:25:59,595
is the ombudsman report regarding an investigation of a meeting

1612
02:25:59,616 --> 02:26:05,635
held by the township back in October 16, 2024. In

1613
02:26:05,635 --> 02:26:09,882
Alaska, our clerk to speak to it, please. Thank you,

1614
02:26:09,882 --> 02:26:12,122
Madam Mayor, and through you, just as a high level

1615
02:26:12,383 --> 02:26:16,122
synopsis, a complaint received, was received by the Umudsman's office

1616
02:26:16,223 --> 02:26:20,882
with respect to meeting how old October 16, 2024, in

1617
02:26:20,882 --> 02:26:26,122
regards to the CAO recruitment process, the Ombudsman's investigation concluded

1618
02:26:26,122 --> 02:26:29,162
that council was in compliance with municipal act with respect

1619
02:26:29,162 --> 02:26:33,142
to the code session voting, notice, and meeting location. Uh,

1620
02:26:33,142 --> 02:26:36,922
so it did not identify any contraventions to the municipal

1621
02:26:36,962 --> 02:26:41,142
act as best practice. The Ombudsman did encourage us, the

1622
02:26:41,142 --> 02:26:44,762
township, to specify minimum public notice requirements in our procedure

1623
02:26:44,783 --> 02:26:48,042
bylaw, uh, will certainly take this undervisement and do so

1624
02:26:48,063 --> 02:26:50,922
as part of our comprehensive procedural bylaw review for next

1625
02:26:50,962 --> 02:26:54,161
term of council. And the complete report is attached to

1626
02:26:54,161 --> 02:26:59,412
the agenda here for council's information this evening. Thank you.

1627
02:27:00,193 --> 02:27:03,852
Mr. Clerk. It's always good to know when we're in

1628
02:27:03,892 --> 02:27:07,452
compliance and not breaking any rules. So I appreciate the

1629
02:27:07,553 --> 02:27:12,412
feedback from the Budsman and you're sharing that report. Thank

1630
02:27:12,412 --> 02:27:17,876
you. Okay. So now, um, I need sec motion to

1631
02:27:19,417 --> 02:27:26,507
receive a motion. Thank you. And a seconder. Councillor Wright,

1632
02:27:26,507 --> 02:27:30,739
thank you all in favor. Thank you. Okay. So now

1633
02:27:30,840 --> 02:27:33,219
I would like to ask for a motion to move

1634
02:27:33,640 --> 02:27:39,169
into Closed Councillor Guido. Councillor Rock. Thank you. Um, and

1635
02:27:39,430 --> 02:27:43,399
we will now enter into Closed. Session.

1636
02:56:32,441 --> 02:56:36,126
Welcome back. We're back in open session. And I just

1637
02:56:36,147 --> 02:56:40,766
like to report out that direction was given to staff

1638
02:56:41,267 --> 02:56:46,526
or confidential report 2026 - 014, as well as confidential

1639
02:56:46,566 --> 02:56:56,548
report 2026015. And that's it. So I'll have a

1640
02:56:56,548 --> 02:57:01,753
motion for the confirming bylaw. Councillor Rock. Councillor Coyne, thank

1641
02:57:01,753 --> 02:57:06,658
you all in favor. That is Kerry. Motion to adjourn,

1642
02:57:06,658 --> 02:57:07,618
councillor right, councillor.