[6:44] Good evening, everyone. I'd like to call this special counsel
[6:49] meeting to order July 13th, 2026. And I will ask
[6:53] for a disclosures of pecuniary interest in nature thereof. Councillor
[6:59] Guido. Thank you, Madam Mayor. And if
[7:09] you. Just give me one moment. The integrity commissioner has
[7:19] advised that I have a limited restriction with respect to
[7:21] my participation in Council's debate on item 5. 1. 1.
[7:26] Fairgrounds visioning exercise final report. It's attachments and related delegations.
[7:31] I have a deemed indirect interest in today's debate on
[7:34] the basis that my in - laws home is located
[7:36] near the blue crosshatched area indicated at the top left
[7:40] and top right of zone 1 of the conceptual diagram
[7:43] set out in the CAOs and the consultants reports. My
[7:47] interest is limited to site - specific matters, which may
[7:50] be raised respecting those areas of zone one. But otherwise,
[7:54] my pecuniary interest I might have in the report and
[7:58] today's debate is subject to the interest in common exception
[8:01] set out in paragraph 4 J of the municipal conflict
[8:05] of interest asked. Therefore, if we are discussing that particular
[8:09] section of the fairgrounds, I will have to recuse myself,
[8:14] otherwise I will be able to fully participate in the
[8:16] conversation. Thank you very much, Councillor. Moving on, I would
[8:22] ask that you would join me stand and join me
[8:27] in a moment of silence.
[9:28] Thank you, please be seated.
[9:41] Skewgog is situated on treaty land that is steeped and
[9:44] rich indigenous history. Today, we acknowledge that we are gathering
[9:47] on the traditional territories of the Mississaugas of Scugog Island
[9:52] First Nation. We recognise and deeply appreciate the historic indigenous
[9:57] connection to this land and recognise the contributions First Nations,
[10:02] Maite, and Inuit's Peoples have made both in shaping and
[10:07] strengthening this community in particular, our province and country as
[10:11] a whole. We are grateful for the opportunity to meet
[10:14] here, and we thank all the generations of people who
[10:18] have taken care of this land for thousands of years.
[10:25] Now I will ask for any announcements from Council and
[10:28] Staff. And I will start with you, Councillor Wright. Thank
[10:34] you, Madam Mayor. On July 3rd and 4th, the Black
[10:39] Stock Agricultural Society hosted the 50th annual truck and tractor
[10:44] pole in Blackstock. There was a great crowd out for
[10:47] both nights. We had a little rain on Saturday night
[10:50] that slowed things up a bit, but kept the dust
[10:53] off the track. We also had a special vintage poll
[10:57] in honour of the 50th anniversary, and we had one
[11:00] pillar attend that was at the original Paul 50 years
[11:04] ago, and he pulled with the same tractor he pulled.
[11:07] Then 50 years ago. Quite an accomplishment. Also coming up
[11:12] on the August long weekend Lake Scu Agrigata in Caesarea.
[11:17] Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, starting with the volleyball tournament. There's
[11:24] a parade Saturday at 10. 30 and races and games
[11:29] for the kids in the afternoon, and Sunday the pancake
[11:33] breakfast at the fire hall. So please mark it on
[11:36] your calendars and try to attend. Thank you, Adam. Thank
[11:39] you very much, Madam Mayor. Thank you, Councillor Wright. Any
[11:45] other announcements? Councillor Guido. Thank you, Madam Mayor. I thought
[11:51] I would take advantage of the fact that we have
[11:53] a very large crowd here this evening to highlight the
[11:58] fact that Sharon Rennes from branching out is doing a
[12:02] wonderful initiative for remembrance date and has engaged with the
[12:06] community. Maybe some of you have participated in the creation
[12:10] of the poppies. The next ask is that they are
[12:14] looking for a location to dry the tableaus once they
[12:19] are taken down from the township building in November. They
[12:23] need to be kept together and dried. So if anybody
[12:26] has a very large space that they are willing to
[12:30] allow these poppies to be dried in, if you can
[12:34] connect with Sharon at branching outflowest, Madame Mer, that would
[12:38] be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Thank you, Council Guido Councillor
[12:44] LaRoye. Yes, and through you, Madam Mayor. I just want
[12:46] to offer a congratulations to the Second Annual Touch of
[12:49] Truck event that happened on July 10th this past week
[12:53] at the Port Peri Fairgrounds. It was another successful event.
[12:56] It's been a hugely popular community activity at the Fairgrounds,
[12:59] so congratulations to Bress, Inc., who organised it, and congratulations
[13:03] to all who supported Big Brothers and Big Sisters who
[13:06] were the beneficiaries of the funds raised at this event.
[13:12] Thank you very much. Councillor La Roy. Are there any
[13:15] other announcements from anyone? Seeing none, are there any announcements
[13:20] from staff. Seeing none. Then we'll move on. Today's agenda
[13:27] includes a discussion regarding the final fission document from Darwin
[13:31] Pivot, detailing results from your voice, your fair grants public
[13:35] consultation. The accompanying recommendations for future use and the complementary
[13:41] report from staff detailing the financial and implementation options for
[13:45] the property. I thank the members of the community who
[13:49] have attended in person today, and to those who have
[13:52] tuned in online. As per our procedure bylaw, we are
[13:56] welcoming a number of delegates to the chambers today. Council
[14:00] and members of the community are encouraged to express their
[14:03] opinions and be respectful of our meeting etiquette. A fear
[14:09] reminders before we get started. The washrooms are out in
[14:12] the hall area, the fire exit is marked, just head
[14:16] back down the stairs. Attendees in the gallery, we thank
[14:20] you in advance for respecting these proceedings. Please refrain from
[14:25] clapping, emotional outbursts, and shouting, or behaviour intended to disrupt
[14:31] the delegates, discussions, or general proceedings. We are live streaming.
[14:37] This meeting tonight and want to ensure that the recording
[14:41] and audio runs smoothly. Only members of council and the
[14:45] municipal staff shall be permitted to answer the council floor
[14:48] during the City of Council of Or Committee. I'd like
[14:52] to address comments regarding our procedural bylaw. We have a
[14:56] few delegates this evening, and we want to ensure everyone
[14:59] who has registered to speak be given the opportunity. Delegates
[15:04] are reminded that you will be given five minutes to
[15:06] speak. Please watch your time, and there is an accountdown
[15:10] clock. Delegates must come forward, and speak into the microwave
[15:16] state microwave, microphone. Why are you speaking the microwave too,
[15:22] I guess? But anyway, and state for the record, your
[15:25] name and municipal address. We appreciate Delegate's respecting the decorum
[15:30] and the rules of procedure of this meeting. A stated
[15:34] on the signs at the entrance, and in bylaw 66
[15:37] - 18, Delegates should not speak disrespectfully. Use offensive words.
[15:44] Speak on any subject other than the subject for which
[15:47] they have given notice to address the committee. Disobey the
[15:51] Decision of the Chair. Enter into debate with councillors, council
[15:55] members, or appropriate any unused time allocated to another delegation
[16:02] or presenter. Ladies and gentlemen, we want to have the
[16:06] opportunity to hear from everyone, and we appreciate your cooperation
[16:11] on this. I may call a recess if attendees do
[16:15] not adhere to what has just been outlined. Those who
[16:18] are disruptive may be asked to leave the meeting and
[16:21] to vacate the premises. Again, I know you are here
[16:25] because you care about our township and this matter. I
[16:28] trust that you will demonstrate respect for this process in
[16:33] kindness to one another. Thank you. So at this time,
[16:40] we will move on, and again, remind each delegate five
[16:46] minutes, and that please just present your case, so to
[16:54] speak. There will not be questions. Asked of staff or
[16:59] of council, correct? Clerk, thank you. Okay. And okay, so
[17:06] the first delegation is from Mr. Paul Puckran, the Port
[17:10] Perry Ex Society, regarding the fairgrounds visioning exercise. Please come
[17:15] forward, Mr. Bucker.
[17:29] Welcome and - Best test. Go ahead. Okay, sorry, thank
[17:33] you. Okay, my name is Paul Puckerin. I live at
[17:35] 16175, Simcal Street North here in Port Perry. Mayor Watton
[17:41] and members of Council, I am here as president of
[17:45] Port Perry Agricultural Society to State that we have been
[17:49] deceived and betrayed by the visioning project. The Darwin Pivot
[17:54] Consultants did what they were hired to do. The problem
[17:58] is the township of Scugog staff report and the recommendations
[18:02] within it. The consultant does not recommend the sale of
[18:07] four acres. It is the staff report that recommends the
[18:11] sale. The consultant does not recommend the termination of the
[18:16] portiacultural society's lease. It is the staff report that recommends
[18:22] the termination of the lease. I want to address the
[18:26] practical effects of these recommendations. There is no firm plan
[18:30] for site improvements in the staff report. There is no
[18:34] budget for them. There's no valuation of the four acres
[18:38] proposed for sale. Council is being asked to give direction
[18:43] on the disposition of public parkland without knowing what will
[18:47] be built, what it will cost, or what the land
[18:50] is worth. By any measure of sound administration, that direction
[18:55] is premature. Your own consultant said as much. Start with
[19:01] modest, reversible steps first. Make major decisions only after feasibility
[19:09] work and further community involvement. The staff report recommendations start
[19:15] with the most consequential, irreversible steps. Since 1910, the agricultural
[19:22] society has been the fairgrounds working tenant and caretaker. Paying
[19:27] the utilities, carrying the insurance, maintaining the grounds, all through
[19:32] volunteer effort and at no cost to taxpayers. The recommendation
[19:38] to end our tennessee sell off a portion of the
[19:42] property and offer the site back to us a few
[19:45] days a year under a revocable permit is not acceptable.
[19:51] A permit is no substitute for a lease. A fair
[19:56] is not an event that arrives on a weekend. It
[19:59] is assembled over a full year, fundraising insurance, entertainment, and
[20:05] vendors are booked. Many months, to years ahead. No volunteer
[20:10] organisation can meet these commitments under terms that can be
[20:14] revoked at any time. Whatever the intent, the practical effects
[20:21] would be the death of the fair and the demise
[20:24] of over 170 years of tradition. Residents were continually assured
[20:31] by the mayor and council that the grounds were not
[20:34] for sale and that no developed discussions were underway. Citizens
[20:40] will remember these assurances. And if counsel chooses to honour
[20:44] them. The community has spoken through every channel available surveys,
[20:51] letters, petitions, and packed public meetings. And its message has
[20:56] been overpowering. Keep the fairgrounds whole. The agricultural society is
[21:05] not resistant to change. The society has long desired year
[21:11] - round programming. Better public access, and a busier, more
[21:16] welcoming site. And we are prepared to fundraise, pursue grants,
[21:21] and bring sponsors to the table to help pay for
[21:24] it. Agriculture is not a museum piece. Every meal begins
[21:30] with a farmer. And a working fairground is the best
[21:35] classroom this community has to demonstrate that truth. Council initiated
[21:40] this controversy when it deferred the heritage committee's recommendation that
[21:46] the fairgrounds property be designated a heritage site. Then council
[21:52] refused to negotiate a lease with the agricultural society. Matters
[21:57] were made worse with the decision to spend taxpayers'money on
[22:01] this unnecessary visioning exercise and are now compounded by the
[22:06] recommendations in the staff report. Council should carefully weigh the
[22:12] question of whether they have a mandate from the community
[22:15] to implement the staff recommendations. All but one of you
[22:21] was a claim to office. Although we are deeply disappointed
[22:26] that the actions of council have brought us here, we
[22:29] are incredibly grateful to the residents of Skewgog for their
[22:34] overwhelming support for the preservation of the fairgrounds. I'll request
[22:40] our reasonable. One, current council should simply receive the consultants
[22:46] report for information and take no further action. Two, reject
[22:52] any sale of any portion of the fairgrounds park. Three.
[22:58] Renew the society's lease so that more than a century
[23:02] of faithful stewardship can continue for future generations. And finally,
[23:08] defer any irreversible decision until a new council is elected
[23:14] with a clear mandate. Thank you. Thank you very much.
[23:20] Mr. Parkran. Are there any questions or comments. Council Sirok.
[23:25] Thank you for coming to present tonight, Mr. Puckering. And
[23:29] I've heard what you said and I understand your position
[23:33] entirely. I just want to make a clarification. Um, help
[23:38] me understand how a year ago there are agricultural society
[23:43] was here advocating for redevelopment of this site. Right? And
[23:48] what exactly do you mean by redevelopment? Well, the Ackerpark,
[23:52] right? The Agra part, if you had read, if you
[23:55] had read, you would discover that was a very ambitious
[24:00] project. That was a concept. We came up with a
[24:05] committee, and what we wanted to do was what could
[24:08] it be? What could this be for the community? How
[24:10] could we enhance it to make this available and more
[24:14] usable for the entire community? It was ambitious. There's no
[24:17] doubt about it, okay? If you look at the recommendations
[24:22] we came up with, the vast majority of those recommendations
[24:26] were the same recommendations and suggestions that Darwin pivot came
[24:30] up with in their visioning process. And, and, we did
[24:34] it for free. We did not pay 100, 000 dollars
[24:37] of the taxpayer's money that was put forward. That would
[24:41] have redeveloped this site. And would have left less than
[24:44] 19 acres. I disagree. Well, the website. We can visit
[24:48] a website and we can take a look at the
[24:50] development. That was a concept. But you were advocating for
[24:54] that. That was a concept to initiate discussion. I'm not
[24:58] here to debate with you. I'm here to answer your
[25:00] questions. I'm asking a question of - And what don't
[25:04] you understand? Why was it something that you thought was
[25:07] okay to develop. When it was never cast in stone?
[25:12] It was a concept. It was a concept. It was
[25:15] a concept. It was not cast in stone. Not many
[25:19] people were here advocating for us to approve. So you
[25:22] could be gathering. No, we didn't ask you to approve
[25:24] that. We can go back and look at this. Please
[25:27] do it. There were many people advocating for us to
[25:29] support this so you could begin raising money to do
[25:31] that. Right? So what about it bothered you so much?
[25:35] I'm sorry. I'm not supposed to be debating with you.
[25:38] I'm just asking the question. I am confused as to
[25:40] why it would be. You are confused a lot. Why?
[25:43] Okay. When it's your idea. And normally develop a small
[25:49] portion of it. I'm sorry, but this was a concept
[25:52] to promote discussion. Which we never really got the opportunity
[25:57] to do, did we? Right. So after, I think the
[25:59] part that you're, okay, gentlemen. Gentlemen. Turn your. Leg on.
[26:07] Robin. Or speak into. The mic. I'm confused after 110
[26:11] years how every time you come for a release, you
[26:14] talk about the things that you guys are going to
[26:16] do, but it still hasn't been developed. Why is it
[26:21] every nine years we hear all of the amazing things
[26:23] you're going to do and they don't get done? It
[26:26] is still undeveloped. Why this time, do we believe Charlie
[26:30] Brown's going to kick the football on this one when
[26:33] it comes to you guys developing this? I'm at a
[26:37] loss to understand this. It is an ongoing promise. It
[26:40] hasn't happened. 110 years, it hasn't happened. So why are
[26:45] we to believe that this time magically will be the
[26:48] time that you do it, right? I believe very firmly
[26:52] that this report gave everybody a win. Because as much
[26:55] as you say, everybody in this community was very, you
[26:58] know, very succinct on don't do anything. But I can
[27:01] see Mr. Corgan sitting over here, who himself and many
[27:05] other people advocated for senior housing. Right. It's something that
[27:09] our community desperately needs. There are nearly four acres, North
[27:14] End of Canterbury Comet scheduled for seniors housing. And it's
[27:18] been sitting vacant since it was approved in 2017. There's
[27:22] approval south of town for 240 condo units. Is it
[27:26] being done? Is it being worked on? No, it isn't.
[27:28] Nothing. Exactly. It's not developer because there's no demand. No,
[27:31] because that developer isn't doing it. There is demand. What
[27:34] about the one up in Canterbury? I'm sorry. We're not
[27:37] supposed to be adding this debate. Are there... Thank you,
[27:41] Councillor Rock. Are there any further questions for Mr. Pucker.
[27:49] Councillor Guido. Good evening, Mr. Pechren. Good evening. Just a
[27:55] question. Some of the social media posts that the agricultural
[27:59] society has put out is regarding missed opportunities regarding grant
[28:03] funding. Has this agricultural society. Applied for grant funding and
[28:10] been denied because of the lack of lease? Yes. No,
[28:14] we haven't applied because the point. Now we have got
[28:18] grants in the past as you're well aware. But with
[28:21] a limited lease, who's going to give you a grant?
[28:23] It's the same with your volunteers. It's the same with
[28:26] people contributing money, you know, materials, everything else. If you
[28:32] don't have a lease, what's the point? Right. Especially now
[28:35] with a monthly lease. Thank you. So I'm sorry. That
[28:39] was a long answer to a short question, but no,
[28:42] we haven't applied recently. It's pointless. Okay, thank you. No,
[28:44] I was just trying to qualify that. Um, I know
[28:48] that some of the posts were indicating that a 10
[28:50] - year lease is a requirement for some of these
[28:52] grants. Right. A lot of the grants that are available
[28:57] require a five - year lease, 10 - year would
[29:00] give you ultimate access to, I guess, uh, grant funding.
[29:04] But I just was wanting to clarify if any were
[29:06] actually applied for and denied based on the fact of
[29:10] Nolisa available. I haven't applied because it was pointless. Okay.
[29:13] Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor Guido. If it
[29:20] was, but you had two or three ten year lease.
[29:23] So what about the previous leases? They weren't pointless. No,
[29:28] and we got grants. That fence was a grant. We
[29:30] put grants. Of course. Did you did you have the,
[29:36] and I'm asking, I don't know. Um, normally grants require
[29:41] the letter of support from, from council, did you have
[29:44] that? I assume we did. If they were required, we
[29:46] got them. I might have to check that out. That's
[29:49] fine. I just have one final question. And I understand
[29:52] you said this was a concept. Yes. But since you're
[29:55] here, I just, um, when I looked at the agripark
[30:01] design, I was just curious. Where the fair portion would,
[30:09] like the entire 23 acres. No, the midway and everything
[30:12] because it depends on the year, the midway goes on
[30:15] your right, usually, right? Concert goes on the left. Holstein
[30:20] barn, you know where that is, right? I do, but
[30:23] it says covered standing ring roll up doors, indoor, outdoor
[30:27] covered seeding. So I just, more out of curiosity, where
[30:31] would a midway go if you had those? Midway goes
[30:34] on the right side on the east side. Of the
[30:41] track. No, inside the track on the inside area. That's
[30:44] where the midway goes. Well, these both indicate a barn,
[30:47] but okay. Well, again, it was a concept. Yeah, and
[30:52] that's why, but that's my first. When I first looked
[30:55] at it way back, I thought you've got to admit,
[31:00] our buildings are old. And it would be nice to
[31:03] have a nice new building where we could have homecraft
[31:07] and have proper year - round toilets a proper office.
[31:13] I don't think that's unreasonable, but you can't, you've got
[31:16] to have grants and it would be really, really, really
[31:18] nice if we could work with the township. Towards that
[31:22] goal. Well, I don't disagree with you on that, Mr.
[31:26] Puckerin. I do believe that, you know, that ultimately when
[31:32] we started this, to me, the goal was to work
[31:36] in collaboration and partnership. 1910, that's exactly what was said.
[31:42] No, I'm not talking about, I mean, that's the history.
[31:45] That's what it should be now, too. Right. And I
[31:50] just rewrite the bylaw 65 - 18 or whatever it
[31:55] was. And anyway, I've done a lot of research as
[31:58] well. But my goal, even with this report would be
[32:03] that collaboration and partnership would be able to help move
[32:07] the needle forward for everyone's benefit. Absolutely. Thank you. I
[32:12] appreciate you coming. If there's questions, we'll move on to
[32:16] our second delegate. Which is.
[32:29] There, a Jennifer Lafir here, a laugh leader. Lafler. I'm
[32:33] sorry. I need to put my glasses on.
[32:49] Welcome and just hit the button when you're ready. There
[32:56] we go. You can hear me fine. Uh, good evening,
[33:00] council members. My name is Dr. Jennifer Lafayette. I'm an
[33:03] associate professor at Ontario Tech University. I study the profound
[33:07] impact of urban sprawl on mental health of individuals and
[33:11] communities across Canada. I also study the disappearance of small
[33:16] towns and what this is doing to the national identity
[33:19] in Canada. I'm also currently researching the history of carnivals
[33:26] and fairs across Canada. And North America and globally. I
[33:31] grew up in the carnival. I've travelled my entire life
[33:34] in the carnival. In Port Perry has been a spot
[33:38] every year in my history. I don't live in Port
[33:42] Perry. I live in Oxbridge. Sorry, 2, 4, 6, 9,
[33:46] concession 6 Oxbridge. But I had to show up today
[33:50] to speak about the research that I'm finding. I'm currently
[33:55] writing a book on the history of carnivals for Penguin
[33:59] Books. Published in 2027. Port Perry features heavily in my
[34:05] book. As having one of the oldest fairgrounds in Canada,
[34:12] along with other small towns. And in fact, when we
[34:14] measure it against carnivals across North America, considering it's the
[34:21] size of the town and the public governance, it may
[34:25] be one of the oldest in North America.
[34:38] Selling these lands to developers would exasperate urban sprawl congestion
[34:44] and other pressing issues. I urge the council to explore
[34:48] innovative funding solutions to the perk upgrades. Provincial and federal
[34:54] grants, as we've heard, research support from institutions such as
[34:59] universities, which there's actually quite a lot of support in
[35:03] universities for funding for this and other events. In fact,
[35:08] 50 percent of the proceeds of my book are dedicated
[35:11] to supporting small towns and keeping their affairs so we
[35:15] can keep the traditional alive. I am currently creating a
[35:20] chart with three doctorate research students on how other small
[35:25] towns are funding their carnivals. There's a lot of creative
[35:28] opportunities. I would love to explore these further with agricultural
[35:34] society. I believe with their lease, if it was continued,
[35:40] we would work with them. To continue to explore ways
[35:45] to keep this going. I have been working with the
[35:50] showman's League of America, the Canadian chapter. And based on
[35:56] our research, it is my stance along with the showman's
[36:00] league of America and the Canadian chapter that this is
[36:02] a historical fairground. And no portion of the property should
[36:06] be sold to developers. There's a tremendous opportunity here to
[36:10] develop these lands. It's a continue with the theme of
[36:14] agriculture and fair. Carnivals. Now I always in the book
[36:20] have to distinguish between affair and a circus. A circus
[36:23] is animals. We're talking about fairs and carnivals. I hope
[36:28] we don't squander this chance to protect this very important
[36:32] part of rural identity and to support the well -
[36:35] being of local residents. Our research also shows that fairgrounds
[36:41] within small communities are central hubs for community connection. Mental
[36:48] health and well - being. And overall health. This research.
[36:54] Has been found in at least 180 articles. The research
[37:00] also shows that when portions of culturally significant grounds lands
[37:09] are sold to developers, there is a breakdown of trust.
[37:14] That does impact the mental health of communities. In conclusion,
[37:21] I'd like to say that I'm going to continue to
[37:23] work with the showman's league of America and the Canadian
[37:27] chapter. To see what we can do to continue to
[37:29] protect these lands and support the local community. I'm also
[37:34] willing and offering services to help explore funding and research
[37:41] money opportunities. To examine ways to develop the fairgrounds that
[37:48] support agriculture families and the mental health of all individuals.
[37:58] I ask that the council considers not selling off a
[38:02] portion of the lands. Keeping the lease with the agricultural
[38:08] society. And keeping these fairgrounds, what they should be, which
[38:13] is a part of his cultural identity, but even the
[38:16] wider community across Canada. Thank you. Thank you very much,
[38:21] Jennifer. Are there any comments or questions to the delegate.
[38:27] Councillor LaRoy. Excuse me. Yes. Thank you. And through you,
[38:32] Madam Mayor, to Ms. Lafier. Thank you for your Delegations.
[38:35] It's very interesting, completely unexpected to me. I enjoyed hearing
[38:38] what you had to say. I have two questions for
[38:40] you. I don't know your research, so I don't know
[38:42] if you can answer these questions, but you might have
[38:44] some insight. The first question is with regard to what
[38:48] has your research shown, about models of governance for these
[38:51] types of sites and fair organisations. Have you come across
[38:55] different governance structures? And if so, what might they be
[38:58] in a sort of a brief description? And the second
[39:00] question would be, what is your research say if you've
[39:03] encountered that? About fairgrounds that have lost their sites and
[39:06] have been forced to move in terms of their outcomes.
[39:09] I don't know if your research has encountered examples of
[39:11] that as well. So two questions, governance and forced relocation.
[39:16] So governance, we did look at governance models. Um, the
[39:20] ones that seem to support the local wellbeing of communities
[39:23] the most was when the governance was within the local
[39:26] community. Organisations that were housed within the community. Agricultural societies,
[39:34] uh, organisations seem to be the most popular across not
[39:37] only Canada, but the United States that most often they
[39:40] were the ones helping manage look after, you know, take
[39:46] care of events. That seemed, in our research, and again,
[39:51] this is not just myself. So this is a research
[39:53] team, but our research team found that that often created
[39:57] the most trust within a community. And it created the
[40:02] most outpouring of support, which I think this is evident
[40:06] that's happening today as well. Um, there was a lack
[40:10] of trust when we looked at small towns where, uh,
[40:14] fairgrounds or carnivals were leased out to, uh, which some
[40:18] did, which were, um, organisations outside of the community. So
[40:22] some for profit, uh, organisations which did not have a
[40:27] good track record of keeping the fairgrounds alive or well
[40:31] supported within the community. We also found that there was
[40:36] some that were privately sold off. To actually families. And
[40:42] again, that, uh, the two examples I can think of
[40:45] without sort of revealing names, but the two examples I
[40:48] can think of was actually families that, uh, the fairgrounds
[40:52] did not continue because of internal conflict within the family
[40:55] of how it could be governed. Um, so that did
[40:59] not proceed well. Um, your second question, sorry, just if
[41:03] you can repeat your second question. Your comments about governance.
[41:08] The second question relates to experience affairs or agricultural societies
[41:12] that are forced to relocate. Yes. Um, we did find
[41:17] a few. So we did look at a few relocation.
[41:22] There was two, we found two that were successful in
[41:26] relocation, but this was, um, much larger communities than Port
[41:31] Perry. Um, there was a massive amount of funding coming
[41:35] into these two that were moved. Um, all of the
[41:38] rest that we looked at were, um, proposals to move
[41:43] them, but the communities often fought them being moved to
[41:48] different locations. Um, the showman's league of America and the
[41:53] Canadian chapter strongly support keeping original fairgrounds due to the
[41:58] historical value, the historical, the history, uh, within the community.
[42:03] There is actually research that shows, uh, when a fairground
[42:07] is within a certain location for a period of time.
[42:10] This actually is connected to memories of families. It's connected
[42:13] to memories of community members. And when we move those
[42:17] carnivals to different locations, it interrupts and disrupts memories and
[42:22] positive memories. Um, so it is my position that fairgrounds
[42:26] as much as possible should stay within the historical grounds
[42:30] they've, uh, sorry, they've always been to continue to have
[42:33] that strong connection. That insight. Thank you, Councillor La Roy.
[42:43] Councillor McDougal. Thank you, Madam Mayor. And, uh, thank you,
[42:49] Dr. Lafayette, for coming today. I completely unexpected. I do
[42:54] have to ask. You said you travelled with the carnival
[42:58] every summer. Do you mean like literally travelled with the
[43:02] carnival every summer? Yes. Until recently, but my mother retired
[43:08] 15 years ago. And I worked as a university professor
[43:12] and travelled on the weekends to support from my family
[43:14] when I could. Wow. Very impressive. Thank you. Um, and
[43:18] like you mentioned, it does trigger many memories. And you
[43:22] just mentioning the carnival trigger to memory for me, which
[43:24] was when a couple summers we had actually the circus
[43:29] come to Port Perry, um, on the grounds of what
[43:32] is now Westshore. I think it was for two summers.
[43:35] Um, I'm just thinking how wonderful it would be to
[43:37] have that come back. Because to see lion's and tigers
[43:40] and bears, Omai, uh, but to see those signs in
[43:43] Port Perry was quite something. And I can't help but
[43:46] think what an attraction would be. But thank you for
[43:47] coming today. Sorry. Go ahead. Is there a question councillor?
[43:51] No, that's a thank you Madam Mayor. Thank you. Thank
[43:54] you very much, Jennifer. Thank you. Okay. We'll move on
[44:02] to our third delegation, which is from Mike Smith.
[44:23] Go ahead when you're ready. Good afternoon, Council. Uh, Mike
[44:27] Smith, 870 high point road. I guess mainly, um, I
[44:35] want to talk about the staff report that you guys
[44:37] are voting on. Looking through it, an executive summary. The
[44:42] purposes of this report is to present the fairgrounds visioning
[44:45] exercise final report. And to recommend accounts on next steps
[44:49] to action the final report through an implementation plan that
[44:53] balances community priorities. In a fiscally responsible manner. Now. When
[45:02] you go through the Darwin pivot, we pay it 100,
[45:04] 000 dollars for a consultant to talk to everyone, gather
[45:08] all this information. One of the questions on the sticky
[45:14] note board. Was the future. What people wanted to see
[45:19] on the Fairgrounds. There were 190 sticky notes put on
[45:24] there through all the meetings. Two. We're for housing.
[45:44] That's one of the only main points. In this summary.
[45:49] The other one is the selling. Of the four acres
[45:55] of land. Multiple times. I did not count them all.
[46:01] I got bored. No housing, no developing. Don't sell it.
[46:05] Don't change it. This is what we paid 100, 000
[46:08] dollars to find out. It also in here is the
[46:14] township. Taking back control. Zero.
[46:26] I don't know how that is a summary. Take it
[46:34] back. Yet here it is in our summary. Some of
[46:39] the other things in here. We have four zones.
[46:49] Which was from the consultant. But when you read it,
[46:52] one zone is for housing. Three zones are open space
[46:57] with possibilities. What we have right now is 23 acres
[47:03] with possibilities. What this is suggesting is let's have 19
[47:06] acres of possibilities. We also have a cost analysis or
[47:15] a cost estimation for the township taking care of it
[47:17] of 21, 000. Now with the way the budget is,
[47:23] everything gets rolled in now. But if you go back
[47:24] to 2018. There was 177. 45 acres of park, which
[47:33] includes 23 acres of the Fairgrounds. And the township's cost
[47:38] was 706, 700 dollars. And 82 dollars per acre times
[47:45] 23 acres. So in 2018, it would have cost 92,
[47:53] 000. But today we'll do it for 21, 000. Somewhere
[48:00] in here. There is some inaccuracies on what is being
[48:02] presented to Council to vote on. And. There's nothing on
[48:12] what is being built. There's nothing on how much money
[48:14] is needed. The Fair can continue there. If it works.
[48:19] But the drawings have no buildings. So I do assume
[48:22] there are no buildings there. Or are they staying. Because
[48:26] I'm not sure what we're voting on here. The final
[48:32] one. And you brought it up. The bylaw. And in
[48:37] here, you know, staff is sure that the fairgrounds are
[48:42] 100 percent owned by the township. Whereas porphyri reach, Scuder,
[48:48] agricultural society here and after called the Society have offered
[48:51] to give towards the purchase of a park, a subscription
[48:54] of 750. Now, subscription threw me off a little bit.
[49:02] So I looked it up. In 1910. It meant in
[49:06] agreement or formal commitment to purchase shares in a perspective
[49:09] corporation or a new issue. Again, purchase. Nowhere does it
[49:14] say the 750 like in here was for the lease.
[49:17] In the bylaw, it says that they purchased it on
[49:21] the condition that they received the lease. It also says
[49:26] in here that the deed will be put in the
[49:29] name of the village of porperi. Nowhere does it say
[49:34] anything of that. Um, last one quick here in Ontario,
[49:40] a resulting trust arises when someone contributes to the purchase
[49:42] of a property or transfers legal title without intending to
[49:46] make it a gift. Legally, the person untitled holds a
[49:49] property in trust for the individual who provides the funds.
[49:57] So the court will presume that person B does not
[50:00] own the property outright, but holds it in trust for
[50:03] person A to keep the property. Person B must prove
[50:06] on a balance of probabilities to person A explicitly intended
[50:10] the transfer or funding as a gift. Everything in this
[50:16] report. I question. The numbers make no sense. And I
[50:23] guess it's more a warning for council going into this
[50:27] vote. Of just exactly how much value is in that
[50:30] report. Thank you very much. Are there any questions for
[50:35] Mr. Smith. Council Sirak. Thank you, Mr. Smith. For coming
[50:45] on today. I appreciate what you said. Right. Um, you
[50:49] know, going through there. You know, I think you make
[50:51] a good point on the numbers when it comes to
[50:52] maintenance. I think that, sure, that can be looked at.
[50:56] Absolutely. Uh, what I do think is important though, is
[51:01] I guess I would push back slightly on your numbers.
[51:04] On the 198 to two. That is one example of
[51:07] all of the conversations and not probably a totality of
[51:10] all of the conversations that Darwin pivot happened. Because we
[51:13] do know that there were lots of people at the
[51:15] table. Again, Mr. Corrigan who's sitting here who advocated along
[51:18] with many other people. For additional senior housing. So, so
[51:21] there is other people and there were other voices at
[51:25] the tables that did represent other viewpoints. Um, were they
[51:31] overwhelming? Probably not, right? But I do think that the
[51:35] way I vision, I see this report is to me
[51:38] this seemed like it was a win, win, win for
[51:42] everyone. It is ensuring that the fair can stay at
[51:45] this location. Right. It's providing enough space to continue to
[51:49] run the fair. It is providing senior housing which our
[51:54] community desperately needs. It is having dedicated funds outside of
[51:59] a budget that cannot be used for anything else. To
[52:02] provide the ongoing development of this site. They can't be
[52:06] used for anything. The sale of that would be held
[52:09] in trust for that operation of improving the site. Right.
[52:14] So then we don't have to find money elsewhere. We
[52:17] don't have to worry about everybody not be approved. Money
[52:21] will be there. So we see tangible improvements on the
[52:24] site, which I think we all want along with the
[52:27] fair staying there. Not having to move. Right. And I
[52:31] agree that it's, there's nothing in the darwin pivot report
[52:35] on the township taking back over. But I would ask
[52:39] the CEO, I don't believe that that was ever a
[52:41] question put to them or not. As to who would
[52:44] have ongoing control of the site. Because to my knowledge,
[52:48] that was no question that Darwin pivot was asked or
[52:51] was asking anyone after they believed that the agricultural society
[52:56] or the tantri should continue that. So I totally agree.
[53:01] Is it perfect. Maybe not. And I absolutely take on
[53:05] some of the things that you have said. But this
[53:08] is how I read this report. I read this report
[53:11] as truly a win - win for this community and
[53:13] not someone losing anything. So. The numbers, like I'm not
[53:20] arguing that this is not the only people speaking. However,
[53:26] I spoke at the meeting about the visioning exercise and
[53:30] suggested that the public had spoke. And it was you
[53:34] who told me if we took all those numbers, that's
[53:36] about five percent. Is not nearly enough. That's why the
[53:42] visioning exercise needs to go through. So we have it
[53:45] at one percent. I'm going to say the numbers should
[53:49] be five times higher. Based on your recommendation a year
[53:53] ago. That's still not high enough. There was no question
[53:58] about the township taking it over. However, there were answers
[54:03] that suggested they wanted township to leave. With the act
[54:07] society doing it. So while it may not have been
[54:10] asked, it was answered. What I heard consistently when I
[54:14] went through this is that people wanted the fair to
[54:16] continue. And they wanted to continue at that site. That's
[54:20] consistently what people were saying. So I understand what you're
[54:25] saying. I don't know that everyone believed that it was
[54:30] only possible. If everything remained untouched. Right. And that's a
[54:35] philosophical debate. We don't have to agree on it. And
[54:38] I respect you. I have no issue with you. And
[54:42] I'm not, I'm truly not engaging in an argument with
[54:44] you. I'm really just trying to understand. Because I genuinely
[54:47] don't, I believe the will of the community was very
[54:51] clear that they don't want this to see the fair
[54:54] move. And I genuinely believe that this report ensures the
[54:59] long - term sustainability of this site with money that
[55:03] will develop the site responsibly over time. But we have
[55:09] no buildings. Thank you, gentlemen. You have no buildings. There
[55:15] is no buildings where. All. Your drawings and your report.
[55:19] There are zero buildings left. Right. Because the implementation plan
[55:22] and the collaboration and the partnerships would intend to develop
[55:27] all that. It's not eliminating. Excuse me. It's not eliminating
[55:32] what was there. But it is opening up a slate
[55:37] just as create the implementation plan. That to me along
[55:43] with Council Rock, I understood that was opening it up
[55:46] for all kinds of possibilities. Not a limbing and keeping
[55:51] the fair. So if the Fair wants the building, the
[55:57] barn building that was shown in this concept plan, would
[56:01] they be keeping the other two buildings that are there.
[56:04] If the Fair Association wants the covered stand brings inside
[56:13] the track. And the barn on either side of that
[56:17] track. Is that what is envisioned by the fair? Now
[56:24] Mr. Puckerin said it was just a concept and we
[56:26] respect that. The input mentation plan would come up with
[56:30] a site specific plan. And it would involve conversations with
[56:36] everyone to determine how best to meet the needs of
[56:40] not only the ex society, but of those other community
[56:45] members, other organisations, other stakeholders that we heard. That's how
[56:49] I understood it. If I'm sorry, if it's not showing
[56:53] in this plan and you feel it's misleading. But that
[56:57] was how I read it as well. And that follows
[57:00] into my last thing is it's a concept. It's a
[57:04] concept because we're not voting on this right now. We're
[57:06] voting on an implementation which would tighten it. So if
[57:10] the agri - park was a concept, what we're presenting
[57:13] is a concept that will have to be refined. Right.
[57:16] They're both concepts. So equally, right, you can't just say,
[57:20] once a concept and, you know, then this is concrete.
[57:24] Because that's not what we're doing. All I'm suggesting is
[57:27] it's great that the Fair can continue, but has anyone
[57:32] reached out to talk about what is required to make
[57:35] the fair. And none of that is in here. That
[57:40] is my concern. Because that would be part of the
[57:42] implementation plan as to why we would have an implementation.
[57:46] So we don't know if Fair can continue. Of course
[57:48] it can. I don't think the person in this room
[57:53] again. It's affair to end. No one in this room
[57:55] wants this fair town. No. And we don't need to
[57:59] go around in a circle on that. Again. Thank you
[58:03] for coming. And I take on some of your criticism.
[58:06] Absolutely. And I think that those will have be looked
[58:08] at. But I would also say to consider some of
[58:12] the things that are attempted to be done with this
[58:14] report in providing for the long - term vision of
[58:18] this site. Thank you Council The Rock. Councillor McDougall. Thank
[58:24] you Madam Mayor. Sorry. Hang on. That's okay. Thank you
[58:27] Madam Mayor. Thank you Mike for coming again today to
[58:30] speak to us. Um, I actually think I want to
[58:33] thank Dr. Lefayer for explaining to me and all of
[58:37] us about memories. Cause I think I can understand better
[58:41] now why you care so deeply about the fair. Um,
[58:45] how long has the Ontario hosting club been hosted at
[58:49] the fair. And how many nights have you personally spent
[58:53] sleeping in those stalls with your uncle or your father?
[58:56] Uh, so 19. I believe was the first show. And.
[59:07] Like my farm has exhibited every year at the show.
[59:14] And night slept there. Slap. I don't think maybe not
[59:20] too many. But councillor to the report. Please. Thank you.
[59:25] So from your read of the Darwin Pivot visioning exercise.
[59:30] Did you understand that in order for the township and
[59:34] the Ag Society to be able to collaborate that the
[59:38] lease needed to be dissolved and lands needed to be
[59:41] sold off. No. Like from everything from the consultant. I
[59:50] have no idea why lands need to be sold off.
[59:54] Especially when. We don't, like the number for, I don't
[59:57] know what we need this money for. Because it's just
[1:00:00] a concept. Okay. Thank you. Thank you both. We'll now
[1:00:07] move on to our next delegation, which is Margaret Taylor
[1:00:12] Sevier.
[1:00:38] Welcome and whenever you're ready. Margaret Taylor Sevier, A. D.
[1:00:42] Med Road, Port Perry. Mayor and Council. Back in September,
[1:00:48] when this council was planning to do this visioning exercise,
[1:00:54] the town of AJAX announced very proudly the establishment of
[1:00:59] a 17. 6 acre green space that they are calling
[1:01:03] a fairgrounds. And it's not in the centre of town.
[1:01:06] It's up and oddly, which is, you know, when I
[1:01:11] was a kid, that was pretty far north. Um, and
[1:01:15] they announced, despite having a diverse and quickly growing population,
[1:01:20] the town has no dedicated space for friends, families, and
[1:01:24] groups to hold the kind of large - scale community
[1:01:27] festivals and events expected of a modern town. The Ajax
[1:01:32] Fairgrounds and surrounding green space is the first of its
[1:01:36] kind in Durham region. Putting ajacks on the map as
[1:01:40] the premier event destination. Accommodating up to 25, 000 guests.
[1:01:46] The area will be home to community favourite town signature
[1:01:49] events like Canada Day and Winterfest. And we'll be available
[1:01:54] to groups and organisations looking to bring exclusive events to
[1:01:59] AJAX. Then in February, Clarengton announced the municipality of Clarengton
[1:02:07] has acquired 20 hectares. That's just under 50 acres of
[1:02:12] land. Located just west of the south Bowmanville recreation centre.
[1:02:18] The property will become the site of a new outdoor
[1:02:21] sports and event grounds creating a central destination for active
[1:02:25] and passive recreation, as well as outdoor community gatherings. The
[1:02:31] 2024 parks recreation and culture master plan identified the need
[1:02:37] for the municipality to acquire a large parcel of land
[1:02:41] to accommodate new outdoor sports fields, including a dedicated cricket
[1:02:46] field, as well as large - scale outdoor community gatherings.
[1:02:51] At the time, no suitable space was available within the
[1:02:55] existing park system to meet projected demand. This purchase fulfills
[1:03:00] a key recommendation of the PARC's recreation and culture master
[1:03:04] plan to support Clarengton's growing community. If you go to
[1:03:11] their website and look at the plan, that includes an
[1:03:15] outdoor - gathering space for major community events undercovered stage
[1:03:19] for live concerts and performances. Whitby currently uses 27 acres
[1:03:25] of their 70 acre Victoria Field soccer complex, which is
[1:03:29] right on the lake for community events like Canada Day
[1:03:33] fireworks and their annual rib fest. In April, they announced
[1:03:38] that they have secured nearly 150 acres north of Brooklyn
[1:03:43] for future sports fields. Again, pretty far from downtown. Building
[1:03:48] on the momentum of the upcoming opening of the field
[1:03:51] gate sports complex, the town of Whitby is taking another
[1:03:54] major step to expand recreational space and meet growing community
[1:03:58] demand, securing more than 60 hectares in North Whitby for
[1:04:02] a future outdoor sports field complex. This is an exciting
[1:04:06] step. As we continue building a complete connected community that
[1:04:10] grows with our residents, securing this land reflects the priorities
[1:04:15] set out in Whitby's community strategic plan, investing in recreation,
[1:04:19] expanding access to green space and planning proactively for the
[1:04:23] needs of a growing population. The need for more sports
[1:04:27] fields was also identified in our recreation master plan. As
[1:04:31] this project moves forward input from residents and user groups
[1:04:34] will be key to shaping a space that truly reflects
[1:04:37] whippy's needs. That's a quote from Elizabeth Roy, the mayor
[1:04:40] of Whitby. Now we have the fairgrounds. We have that
[1:04:46] open space and it's in town. It's not way off
[1:04:49] somewhere. These towns are not looking for more community parks.
[1:04:55] And not particularly looking for more sports fields, except Whitby,
[1:04:58] because they've got the big space on the lake. For
[1:05:01] all their events. This town could be using the fairgrounds
[1:05:05] for their candidate day events. And anything else that requires
[1:05:10] a lot of space. Palmer Park is a jewel. But
[1:05:14] it's barely two acres. And it's sandwiched between Water Street
[1:05:17] and the lake. It's great for small gatherings, but whenever
[1:05:21] there's a popular event there, it is overcrowded. And there
[1:05:25] is no parking within walking distance. The fairgrounds is our
[1:05:29] only park with enough open space to accommodate larger events,
[1:05:33] and it is conveniently located on trail networks and bus
[1:05:36] routes. If council starts selling it off bit by bit,
[1:05:40] or carving it up into smaller zones, we will lose
[1:05:43] this heritage treasure, and some future council will be looking
[1:05:47] far afield for something to replace it. Thank you. Thank
[1:05:52] you very much. Are there any questions. Um, seeing none,
[1:05:57] I just have a couple of comments. Um, the AJAX
[1:06:01] field, it comes with a tune or a cost of
[1:06:07] four million dollars. Their development of the development costs and
[1:06:12] construction for that 7. 3 acre event lawn. Um. HOx
[1:06:22] got 22 million. Through a housing accelerator fund. By promising
[1:06:30] development of 10, 000 homes, that part of that 4
[1:06:36] million, that's where that 4 million is coming from. Clearington,
[1:06:41] their sports field is coming in at 102 million dollars.
[1:06:47] 10 million grant. And right now a commitment of 65
[1:06:52] million from Clarenton. Whitby is investing 155 million in the
[1:06:59] field gates, sports facility. I agree. We have space. But
[1:07:07] we don't have money for the development of such things
[1:07:11] that you spoke about. What the report was suggesting was
[1:07:16] the potential sale, good help fund, even such things as
[1:07:23] some of the concept plan put forward. By the Port
[1:07:27] Perry Ag Society. That's what the report was speaking to.
[1:07:31] It was in a done deal. It is in anything
[1:07:33] more than that was a suggestion as a resource for
[1:07:37] funding. And it would probably come or could be planned
[1:07:41] to come after all sources of funding. Of course, we
[1:07:45] can plant trees and we can put some benches. But
[1:07:48] if we're talking development, I just wanted to echo. That
[1:07:55] the examples you gave, because, and I had read your
[1:07:57] letter, so I looked them up. Thank you for the
[1:07:59] heads up, by the way. Um, I was quite floored
[1:08:03] by the costs. And my point is that we don't
[1:08:06] need to spend anything. We already have a fairgrounds. But,
[1:08:12] but you spoke about event space. Yes. And the point
[1:08:18] of having a fairgrounds is to have an open space
[1:08:20] that's flexible, that doesn't have playground equipment and street furniture
[1:08:25] and stuff that you have to work around if you're
[1:08:27] going to put on a big event like a rib
[1:08:29] fest or a fair. Because once you start putting things
[1:08:34] in the middle of the field, you can't use the
[1:08:37] whole space anymore. And that's a very valid point. But
[1:08:42] that's not only what we heard from the community. They
[1:08:46] wanted all those other things that you just mentioned as
[1:08:49] well. So it is really, and that's why an implementation
[1:08:53] plan would help us arrive at something that might be
[1:08:56] suitable for everyone. But thank you. Are there any other
[1:08:59] questions or comments? Councillor LaRoy. Yes, thank you Madam Mayor
[1:09:05] and to you. Thank you for the presentation. I'm glad
[1:09:08] you did the research on the neighbouring municipalities. Uh, I
[1:09:12] think you may be aware that our own policy here
[1:09:13] is three hectors per thousand people is what Parkland equivalency
[1:09:19] is meant to be. And just for the record for
[1:09:22] those at attendance, that means that for acres is roughly
[1:09:25] the equivalent Parkland of 500 people. Lose that four acres.
[1:09:29] That's 500 people put into deficiency in terms of our
[1:09:33] own policies. I believe we're currently close to our policy
[1:09:38] presently. So just another number to your statistics that you
[1:09:41] provided here this afternoon. Thank you, Councillor Labroye. Any further
[1:09:48] comments or questions? Seeing none. Thank you very much. Okay,
[1:09:55] now we'll move on to Delegation 4. 5 Natalie Holtby.
[1:10:01] Natalie, are you here?
[1:10:24] Whenever you're ready. Hello, good evening Mayor and Council. My
[1:10:28] name is Dr. Natalie Holtby, and I have my PhD
[1:10:32] in school and clinical Child Psychology. I encourage counsel to
[1:10:37] receive the information in Darwin Pivot's report without taking further
[1:10:41] action. My first objection to the report rests on methodological
[1:10:46] concerns. The township of Scugog includes approximately 21, 580 people.
[1:10:54] By comparison, Darwin Pivot's visioning exercise involved a vague estimate
[1:10:59] of more than 1, 400 community interactions and very limited
[1:11:05] demographic information describing the participating sample. Further, the process by
[1:11:11] which community feedback was illicited, involved considerable time and effort
[1:11:16] for respondents. And I suspect doesn't include the voices of
[1:11:20] many citizens who either weren't aware of the surveys or
[1:11:24] community events or didn't have the time to participate. Darwin
[1:11:28] Pivot has failed to provide any evidence to assert that
[1:11:32] this vision is representative of our community priorities. Second, it
[1:11:38] seems that Darwin Pivot has erroneously conflated the well -
[1:11:41] intentioned citizen value of community gathering with an urgent civic
[1:11:46] need for costly and irreversible changes to a historic peace
[1:11:50] of land. Let's consider how to better serve this community
[1:11:54] from an unbiased lens. If we do, then it's a
[1:11:58] careless leap to translate the reports community pillars such as
[1:12:03] honouring heritage while looking forward, protecting and enhancing green space
[1:12:09] and maintaining stewardship into Darwin Pivot's drastic three - zone
[1:12:14] vision for the property. They're suggested map of changes will
[1:12:18] not only reduce the existing space into overly developed, disconnected
[1:12:23] fragments, but it will also involve paving over green space.
[1:12:28] A number of the suggested recreational facilities to be added
[1:12:32] are already available nearby. Further, the recommendation to sell a
[1:12:37] sizable portion of the land for development to pay for
[1:12:40] these redundant amenities neglects to consider how residential and mixed
[1:12:45] use buildings coupled with parking lots with permanently alter the
[1:12:50] atmosphere of the space. Lest is often more. And just
[1:12:55] because we can change things, it doesn't mean that we
[1:12:58] should. Having grown up in and lived in this community
[1:13:02] for multiple decades, I've never seen the fairgrounds as an
[1:13:07] underutilized resource that only supports the fair. I've been there
[1:13:13] many times running on the track and practicing mindfulness. I'm
[1:13:18] also confident that there are many people like myself who've
[1:13:21] enjoyed free access to a quiet, serene, outdoor space where
[1:13:26] they can peacefully walk through dogs or ride their bikes.
[1:13:31] Darwin Pivot has envisioned a congested, overstimulating conglomeration of amenities
[1:13:37] to make this land part of the parks and recreation
[1:13:40] system. I argue that the fairgrounds are already a part
[1:13:44] of this system and support it well in their current
[1:13:48] form. In reading the final report, it's evident that what
[1:13:52] should have been a thoughtful and respectful dialogue about how
[1:13:56] to protect and enhance a special place has been reduced
[1:14:00] to an antagonistic attack on the port Perry Agricultural Society.
[1:14:05] This entire process feels like an effort to bulldoze past
[1:14:09] critical thinking in the name of ambition and the unrelenting
[1:14:13] quest for improvement. I welcome change when it has a
[1:14:18] purpose. I actually agree with the suggestion to plant more
[1:14:22] trees on the grounds and update the washroom facilities. Modest
[1:14:27] changes that will honour the space and enhance the comfort
[1:14:31] of visitors can be made responsibly without selling part of
[1:14:35] the property and radically reconfiguring the rest. I urge us
[1:14:40] to find our common ground. We all want to enhance
[1:14:44] our lives and make this world a better place for
[1:14:47] our children. Why not show them the value of caring
[1:14:51] for the land and appreciating its innate beauty. Nature is
[1:14:56] not an infinite resource to be discarded on a whim.
[1:15:02] Undeveloped land is a rare gift in today's context that's
[1:15:06] worth holding on to. Have we not already clawed away
[1:15:10] enough of the land from the surrounding fauna to suit
[1:15:13] our human greed? Open space is not empty space. It
[1:15:19] has a purpose. It is a rest bite and it
[1:15:22] is essential. I ask that council have the courage to
[1:15:27] walk away from this process without destroying the essence of
[1:15:31] a cherished green space. I ask that council be mindful
[1:15:36] of our environmental footprint and consider why our children would
[1:15:41] want us to nourish a space for plants and wildlife.
[1:15:44] And I ask that counsel do the right thing and
[1:15:47] respect the land. Thank you. Thank you very much, Natalie.
[1:15:59] Are there any questions. Seeing none, thank you.
[1:16:10] We'll move on to our next delegation and I will
[1:16:12] ask you once again to please refrain from clapping outbursts,
[1:16:18] et cetera, as outlined at the beginning of the meeting.
[1:16:21] So our next delegation is from Pat Longmere. Pat, or
[1:16:27] I know you're here.
[1:16:48] Go ahead whenever you're ready. Thank you. Thank you for
[1:16:51] the opportunity to speak with you this evening. I'm Pat
[1:16:54] Longmire. I live at 66 Chalk Lake Road. I moved
[1:16:57] to Scugog more than 20 years ago and I love
[1:17:00] living here. I know that still makes me an outsider
[1:17:03] and I'm not a member of the PPAS, but I
[1:17:06] do love going to the fair, although I don't make
[1:17:08] it every year. Since I have also worked in Park
[1:17:11] and Trail Design, I was excited to see the launch
[1:17:13] of the visioning process. I followed the process over the
[1:17:17] past months attended meetings and a workshop and listened carefully
[1:17:20] to what I heard. I also contributed some thoughts, although
[1:17:23] since I don't live in the urban area of Porpari,
[1:17:26] my use of the fairgrounds is primarily for special events.
[1:17:29] What I read and heard over and over throughout the
[1:17:32] process was three key points. One, the fairgrounds should be
[1:17:35] kept as public open space and should continue to be
[1:17:38] the home of the annual affair. Two, there are lots
[1:17:41] of ideas of how to make the fairgrounds more appealing
[1:17:44] and encourage greater use in all four seasons. And three,
[1:17:47] there is a crushing need for affordable housing in Scugog.
[1:17:52] When I read the staff report regarding the future of
[1:17:54] the fairgrounds, I was shocked and saddened to see how
[1:17:57] much it differed from what I had heard throughout the
[1:17:59] process. I will focus my comments on the three key
[1:18:02] points I expected to see in the staff report. First,
[1:18:06] keeping the fairgrounds in the fair. Rather than emphasizing the
[1:18:10] importance of maintaining the fair in its historic location, the
[1:18:14] staff report commits only to offering an annual special event
[1:18:17] permit for use of whatever area of the grounds the
[1:18:20] township deems suitable. This gives no assurances that the fair
[1:18:24] will be able to continue at the current location, which
[1:18:26] was a very prominent theme in the public discussions. Rather,
[1:18:30] the township at any time could specify only a small
[1:18:33] unsuitable area for the fair, and thus would end the
[1:18:36] fair's existence. I urge counsel to reject the suggestions in
[1:18:40] the staff report, and instead guarantee that the fair will
[1:18:43] be issued the annual special event permit or lease for
[1:18:47] the use of all three designated zones at no cost
[1:18:50] for a period of at least 20 years. Second, enhancing
[1:18:55] use of the fairgrounds. At the workshop, the consultants provided
[1:18:59] five options for ways in which the fairgrounds could potentially
[1:19:02] be enhanced to encourage year - round use. I fully
[1:19:05] realised that those ideas were simply potential concepts and that
[1:19:09] the design work is yet to come. However, the staff
[1:19:13] report has removed not only the specific design ideas, but
[1:19:16] also the general concepts that reflected the priorities of residents.
[1:19:21] All of the existing structures are not represented. It is
[1:19:25] hard to see how special events will be held without
[1:19:28] grandstand seating a stage, et cetera. Zone 2 is listed
[1:19:31] only as a gathering area and contains none of the
[1:19:34] urban forest community garden or other aspects of naturalization that
[1:19:38] residents considered a high priority and we're illustrated at the
[1:19:41] workshops. I urge counsel to reject the recommendation that staff
[1:19:46] develop an implementation plan without any requirement for future planning
[1:19:50] to be aligned with the priority of residents. Instead, I
[1:19:54] would ask counsel to direct staff to explicitly develop and
[1:19:58] implementation plan that places a priority on aligning future development
[1:20:02] with the ideas and recommendations gathered through the visioning process.
[1:20:07] Finally, Affordable Housing, the need for Affordable Housing in Scugog
[1:20:11] was also a strong message that resounded throughout all the
[1:20:14] meetings and discussions, and yet the staff report makes no
[1:20:17] mention of this aspect. The four acres that is proposed
[1:20:20] to be sold for private development will not create affordable
[1:20:24] housing. The zoning will prioritize another strip mall, or perhaps
[1:20:28] senior housing, but that is not what is required. There
[1:20:32] are lots of options for seniors who have the means
[1:20:34] to pay for market value accommodation. This weekend, there were
[1:20:39] 22 homes for sale in Canterbury Commons, and the villa
[1:20:42] is advertising availability. What residents emphasized was the need for
[1:20:48] affordable housing, so those with a limited income are able
[1:20:51] to stay in town. That will not happen through private
[1:20:54] development. I would urge counsel to reject the staff plan
[1:20:58] for private development and instead direct staff to investigate the
[1:21:02] magnitude of affordable housing requirements we need for our town
[1:21:07] and the options such as rent geared to income cooperative
[1:21:10] housing, tiny homes, et cetera. Members of council, although many
[1:21:15] of you were acclaimed rather than elected by residents of
[1:21:17] Scugog, nevertheless, the positions that you hold are intended to
[1:21:22] represent the voice of the people. As residents of Scugog,
[1:21:27] we rely on you to bring our priorities, thoughts, and
[1:21:31] needs to the forefront of discussions and decisions regarding our
[1:21:34] township. This is your opportunity to ensure that the input
[1:21:39] gathered from your constituents through the visioning process is put
[1:21:42] into action. I would ask that you reject the staff
[1:21:46] report in its current form and instead commit to hosting
[1:21:49] the fair at the historic location for decades to come
[1:21:53] ensure that the implementation plan for future development of the
[1:21:56] fairgrounds reflects the priorities of residents, and that staff move
[1:22:01] forward with identifying options for affordable housing in Scugog. Thank
[1:22:06] you for all the work that you do to ensure
[1:22:09] Township Decisions reflect our priorities. Thank you very much. Are
[1:22:14] there any questions or comments. Councillor LaRoy. Sorry, hang on.
[1:22:22] Sorry, thank you Madam Mayor, and through you to the
[1:22:25] deputant. Thank you for your presentation. I just want to
[1:22:28] extend a bit of a message that me and other
[1:22:32] people in this council are fully supportive Cooperative Housing, and
[1:22:35] we have other sites in Scugog that would be more
[1:22:38] appropriate than the current one under discussion. And I think
[1:22:41] it's an excellent idea that the municipality should be exploring.
[1:22:44] I'm fully supportive of that idea. Perhaps not on the
[1:22:47] fairgrounds. But thank you for your thoughts. Um, it's very
[1:22:50] refreshing to hear. Are there any further questions for the
[1:22:53] delegate. Seeing none, thank you very much. Okay,
[1:23:04] we'll move on to a delegation 4. 7, which is
[1:23:08] from Patricia Conlan. Do you mind. Getting me some water.
[1:23:26] Evening Council and Local Residence. My name is Patricia Conlan.
[1:23:31] I've been a resident of Port Perry for over 40
[1:23:33] years. I've been following recent developments surrounding the fairgrounds and
[1:23:38] have participated in some of the sessions provided by Darwin
[1:23:43] Pivot as well, with respect to the staff report, recommending
[1:23:47] the For Acre sale, the parcel from Port Perry Fairgrounds
[1:23:51] to developers. People have heard loudly the feeling of betrayal
[1:23:57] that there are agricultural society feels expressed by this opinion
[1:24:02] and not being heard. They stated that they were led
[1:24:05] to believe their long - term lease would be renewed.
[1:24:09] Several things I've gathered are concerning to school gog residents.
[1:24:15] A large petition was signed by thousands of residents saying
[1:24:19] they wanted the fairgrounds kept public, all of the fairgrounds.
[1:24:23] And addition, lying signs are everywhere throughout the community, and
[1:24:27] they have been for many months to support this and
[1:24:30] protect our local heritage, our public green spaces, and are
[1:24:34] fair. The consultant - y firm was hired to do
[1:24:37] a visioning exercise, and some people did not have voice
[1:24:43] some of the comments about that. I participated in one
[1:24:47] of the online sessions. It was a very low turnout,
[1:24:51] but several questions were indicative of selling a parcel of
[1:24:55] land and were shut down firmly by all the participants
[1:25:00] who want the entire Fairgrounds Cap Public with low -
[1:25:04] cost, reasonable enhancements. The Port Perry Agricultural Society is claiming
[1:25:09] breach of trust over negotiations is an unhappy with the
[1:25:13] lease being terminated and any parcel of land being sold.
[1:25:17] So what is a solution. Scugog is a large township.
[1:25:23] Why can't other sites be located for a senior's home?
[1:25:27] Building a senior's home at a noisy event site doesn't
[1:25:31] even make sense. And it would lead optimization of the
[1:25:35] land for future events. Allowing the Port Perry agricultural society
[1:25:40] to continue with a 10 - year lease would be
[1:25:43] reasonable. Give them the time to get Lawrence help them
[1:25:48] with the assistant of getting grants so that enhancements are
[1:25:51] reasonable, low - cost, and will help enhance our public
[1:25:56] heritage space. Potentially through dorm region as well. Some of
[1:26:01] the ideas from the community were not outrageous. A public
[1:26:05] garden, walking trails, maybe a concert stand, but very reasonable.
[1:26:10] Create a part committee. With three council members and three
[1:26:14] members from Port Perry Agriculture Society to ensure good governance,
[1:26:19] as suggested, by Councillor LaRoy. Perhaps add several town residents
[1:26:25] as we can all see we're passionate about our public
[1:26:28] fair to ensure broad participation and fair decisions. I'm asking
[1:26:34] the council to restore public trust by keeping the entire
[1:26:39] fair public for residents and taxpayers of Stugog. Let's preserve
[1:26:43] our rich culture and heritage. Give the opportunity back to
[1:26:48] the Port Perry Agriculture Society to obtain grants and to
[1:26:54] build other events so it can be a source of
[1:26:57] pride for the entire community as source of mental health
[1:27:01] respite. A beautiful spot for us to visit and to
[1:27:08] maybe just bring our family there in addition to having
[1:27:11] more events. Thank you. Thank. You. Thank you very much,
[1:27:17] Patricia. Are there any questions or comments. Seeing none, thank
[1:27:22] you for taking the time to come. Okay, we'll move
[1:27:28] on now to our Delegation 4. 8, which is a
[1:27:33] delegation from Larry Corgan and Don Farkerson. We have. A
[1:27:39] body, Bree. You may, I'll move on to the next.
[1:27:48] Delegate 4. 9, which is Becky. Where's Vicky? Where's Bicky?
[1:28:24] Whenever you're ready, Angie. Thank you. Good evening, Mayor Watton.
[1:28:28] Members of Council and Fellow Residents. My name is Andy
[1:28:31] Rosebecki, and I reside at 1183 Craig Road Green Bank.
[1:28:36] Professionally, I work with health care organisations across Canada. Partnering
[1:28:41] with board's executives and public sector leaders. Every day I
[1:28:47] see how transparency, honesty, collaboration, and good governance build trust
[1:28:52] and lead to stronger decisions. These principles aren't just part
[1:28:56] of my profession. They're part of my personal values. And
[1:28:59] they're the reason I'm sitting here tonight. Beside me as
[1:29:02] a photograph of five generations of women in my family.
[1:29:05] To me it's a reminder of the Decisions we make
[1:29:07] today become the legacy we leave tomorrow. Two of my
[1:29:12] children are also farmers. And my grandchildren are already in
[1:29:16] the show ring in our local affairs. When I watch
[1:29:19] them walk into that shell ring, I don't just see
[1:29:21] children showing livestock. I see traditions be in passed down
[1:29:25] one generation to the next. I see the same values
[1:29:29] and experiences that have connected families and strengthen this community
[1:29:32] for generations. For my family, these fairgrounds are not simply
[1:29:37] a piece of land. They are part of our community's
[1:29:39] identity. Like many residents, I came into this process with
[1:29:43] an open mind. I believed we were beginning and honest
[1:29:47] conversation about the future one of the most treasured places
[1:29:49] in our township. I attended meetings. I read reports and
[1:29:53] I listened carefully. And while I understand that changes sometimes
[1:29:57] necessary, the more I learned, the more I became concerned.
[1:30:01] Not because I oppose change, but because I began asking
[1:30:04] whether this process reflected the values of transparency, honesty, and
[1:30:09] collaboration that I believe our community deserves. As I reviewed
[1:30:13] the Reports, one question stayed with me. What has the
[1:30:16] port Perry Ag Society done to deserve losing the stewardship
[1:30:19] at his faithfully provided for generations? From everything I have
[1:30:25] read, I have not found that answer. Instead, I found
[1:30:30] an organisation that has preserved our local heritage. They have
[1:30:34] welcomed thousands of visitors. They have supported local businesses. They've
[1:30:38] invested countless volunteer hours and continually work to improve these
[1:30:42] fairgrounds. The porri - x society did not inherit these
[1:30:46] fairgrounds. Generations of volunteers built them. They maintain them, they
[1:30:51] improve them, and they preserve them for the community we
[1:30:53] enjoy today. They have had ideas. They've had plans and
[1:30:57] they've had a vision. What they've not had is a
[1:31:00] certainty needed to invest confidently in a property when the
[1:31:03] future of their lease remained unclear. If the township knew
[1:31:07] this leafs was approaching its conclusion, I respectfully ask why
[1:31:12] this collaborative work wasn't started much earlier. Why weren't they
[1:31:18] sitting at the same table discussing what was working well.
[1:31:21] What needed improvement and how things could continue serving future
[1:31:25] generations? To me, those questions hurt to blame their questions
[1:31:29] about good governance. Because good governance isn't just about making
[1:31:34] decisions. It's about how we make them. It's about bringing
[1:31:37] people together early. It's about listening before recommendations are finalised.
[1:31:42] And it's about building public confidence through partnership rather than
[1:31:45] process alone. I also hope we remember the extraordinary circumstances
[1:31:50] over the past several years. Like every community organisation that
[1:31:55] agricultural society experiences challenges of COVID. Those years limited opportunities
[1:32:02] to gather fundraise plan and move long - term projects
[1:32:05] forward. I simply hope that context is remembered as council
[1:32:09] considers the egg society's contributions in its future roles. The
[1:32:15] recommendation before council will influence much more than the future
[1:32:18] of approximately 23 acres. They will influence the relationship between
[1:32:22] the township and an organisation that has faithfully cared for
[1:32:26] those grounds for generations. They will influence public trust. They
[1:32:33] will. They also raise important questions about traffic. Infrastructure. Municipal
[1:32:39] services and healthcare capacity. Those are exactly the kinds of
[1:32:43] decisions that deserve time, collaboration and public confidence. I believe
[1:32:48] the township has an important leadership role, but I also
[1:32:51] believe the Port Perry Ag Society has earned the opportunity
[1:32:54] to continue leading the stewardship of these fairgrounds. Not because
[1:32:58] of settlement, but because they have demonstrated over generations that
[1:33:02] they are capable, committed and deeply invested in our community.
[1:33:07] I don't believe the answer is to reduce the role.
[1:33:10] I believe the answer is to straighten the partnership between
[1:33:12] the township and the egg society so that we can
[1:33:15] contribute so each can contribute to what they do best.
[1:33:19] Over the past several weeks, I have listened to many
[1:33:22] members of the community. People don't all agree on every
[1:33:25] detail, but I've heard one message over and over again.
[1:33:29] Take the time, work together, and get this right. Tonight,
[1:33:33] I'm not asking counsel to abandon the vision. I am
[1:33:36] asking you to improve it. Delay this decision, sit down
[1:33:40] with the egg society, build the partnership that so many
[1:33:43] residents believe this process would create from the beginning. Because
[1:33:46] once the public land has sold, it cannot simply be
[1:33:50] bought back. And once public trust is lost, rebuilding it
[1:33:56] is far more difficult than taking a little more time
[1:33:59] to make the right decision. My hope is that in
[1:34:02] years from now, when my grandchildren walk onto these fairgrounds,
[1:34:05] they won't remember a community divided by a decision. My
[1:34:09] hope is that years from now, when my grandchildren walk
[1:34:11] onto these fairgrounds, they're going to walk into the rings.
[1:34:15] They're going to know that we made a choice. And
[1:34:17] we made a choice together. We chose collaboration over urgency.
[1:34:26] The porry Ike Society did not inherit these fairgrounds. They
[1:34:30] earn them. Through service, through volunteerism, and through stewardship. Through
[1:34:36] more than 170 years of commitment to this committee, community,
[1:34:40] and before we reduce their role, they have faithfully carried
[1:34:43] for generations. I believe one question deserves an answer. What
[1:34:47] have they done to deserve this? From everything I have
[1:34:50] read, the answer is nothing. I respectfully ask that you
[1:34:53] take the time to build the partnership and to get
[1:34:56] this right and to continue the lease. Thank you. Thank
[1:34:59] you, Angie. Are there any questions or comments. Seeing none,
[1:35:06] just one clarification. Uh, and that is that the process
[1:35:11] started long before the consulting. We received the concept plan
[1:35:17] over a year ago. And at that time, we did
[1:35:20] end up meeting with Representatives from the Ag Society. I
[1:35:25] don't know. Was this on a regular basis that you
[1:35:28] met with the egg society? Three or four times, yes,
[1:35:30] we do. Was it put out to the community as
[1:35:32] well? Was there a large? No, no, this was a
[1:35:34] discussion about what their vision was on the concept. You
[1:35:42] offer them support. Did you offer them resources? Did you
[1:35:45] extend them? No, no, no, no. I'm just giving you
[1:35:48] a bit more background where you said that this started
[1:35:52] here. It started prior to then. And they were going
[1:35:57] to initially bring forward a plan. Just as it says
[1:36:02] in their least to bring forward a five - year
[1:36:04] working plan. And I'm not, it doesn't matter. It didn't
[1:36:08] happen because we moved on to the visioning. I just
[1:36:12] wanted to clarify that there had been meetings. With members
[1:36:17] of the egg society. To discuss the concept plan that
[1:36:22] had been present brought forward. And I appreciate that. Thank
[1:36:26] you. I think what I'm looking for, if you respond
[1:36:29] to me, I have a question for you is, were
[1:36:32] the meetings regular. Did you give support for these meetings?
[1:36:37] Did you have any sort of visioning experience with them?
[1:36:41] Did the egg society feel supported with these exercises that
[1:36:45] you participated in? It's an honest question. I don't have
[1:36:47] that answer. I think initially it was working very well.
[1:36:54] So once again, that's going to lead me back together.
[1:36:57] Once again, I have to go back through my notes.
[1:37:01] But I do think we met probably, I don't know,
[1:37:05] four times three or four times. From January to September.
[1:37:12] Oh, no, August, I believe it was. Four times three
[1:37:15] or four times. Again, I'm not, I'm not sure of
[1:37:19] either. Ten many, many meetings. So I want to say
[1:37:22] three or four times. And I think, uh, Mr. Pucker's
[1:37:25] indicating three. I just, I, I truly believe that governance
[1:37:31] is a big piece of this process. And I truly
[1:37:33] believe that sitting down together and continuing the discussions and
[1:37:36] not making any rash decisions is pivotal for a positive
[1:37:41] outcome for everyone. So once again, thank you for your
[1:37:44] time. And thank you. I, as I said to Mr.
[1:37:48] Pucker and I agree with you on that point.
[1:38:01] Okay. We'll back up and we'll go to 4. 8.
[1:38:05] Delegate. Mr. Corgan. Are you good to go now? Okay.
[1:38:25] Councillor. Sorry. I'll always think of you as councillor.
[1:38:41] Eight years.
[1:38:51] Whenever you're ready. Let me begin
[1:39:01] by saying it's always a homecoming. To be here in
[1:39:06] these hallowed chambers. Of democracy. At so many levels of
[1:39:14] understanding and memory. Given the number of citizens here this
[1:39:18] evening or online viewing, it is a testament to the
[1:39:25] fact democracy is alive and well in the township of
[1:39:31] Skewgog. And for those of you who are engaged. It
[1:39:41] presents an opportunity to learn. And practice the art and
[1:39:48] science of effective governance and politics. So to all of
[1:39:55] you, I say thank you. And we are here, Don
[1:40:01] and I, if he's online, there he is. We were
[1:40:04] often referred to as the odd couple. But we happened
[1:40:07] to enjoy the company of one another. And support one
[1:40:11] another on behalf of the retired teachers of Ontario are
[1:40:15] now called Enhant. Education Canada. And we recognise
[1:40:26] there is a lot of information to digest within a
[1:40:30] short period. But we thank you for the opportunity to
[1:40:33] engage. This is, it's been mentioned prior is only a
[1:40:37] conceptual visit vision, not a site plan. Which in our
[1:40:43] view, captures the future and immediate needs of the township
[1:40:47] with respect to conservation of Parkland, the continuance of the
[1:40:51] Port Pere, but most importantly for seniors care. It is
[1:40:57] within walking distance to the hospital and medical associate buildings.
[1:41:02] Provides access for their families, grandchildren, animals, as well as
[1:41:07] nature herself. Seniors have told us they don't want to
[1:41:12] be warehoused and institutions. Who put profit ahead of service.
[1:41:19] Miles from their family and friends. Scugog is aging faster
[1:41:25] than any other municipality endura. To the 2021 census over
[1:41:31] 42 percent of our population is 55 and older. Approximately
[1:41:36] 9, 000 residents in growing rapidly. The 226 consensus will
[1:41:41] show a rise in these numbers. Over 2, 300 residents
[1:41:46] in Durham are waiting long - term care. With an
[1:41:50] average weight of 58 days, this can be reduced with
[1:41:58] purposed built senior housing and care. It would allow our
[1:42:05] valued seniors to downsize. Stay in the community. They help
[1:42:10] grow and maintain. Reduce their carbon footprint and give young
[1:42:15] families immediate access to housing. Given their proximity to water
[1:42:21] and sewer, it would require only local approval to build
[1:42:25] out. This will not address all the needs for senior
[1:42:30] housing and long - term care, but is one small
[1:42:33] step forward in the right direction of developing a long
[1:42:37] - term community and schoolgog - driven vision as our
[1:42:41] beautiful community grows and development. The province has indicated to
[1:42:47] dawn in our meetings with them. Once the township brings
[1:42:51] forward something comprehensive, they in the federal government will help
[1:42:56] fund it. All we need is the political will to
[1:43:00] get it done. It is a win - win scenario
[1:43:03] for the entire community. We will continue our advocacy in
[1:43:09] empowering efforts on behalf of senior housing and care with
[1:43:13] the support of the local provincial Onton Education Canada. Our
[1:43:18] local developers, including the Durham region, Mississauga's Gugog First Nations,
[1:43:25] staff and council, as well as the Port Periagriculture Society.
[1:43:29] And other interest groups with respect to best managers practices,
[1:43:34] the literature and research is telling us. We are willing
[1:43:37] to work with the agricultural society to promote the importance
[1:43:42] of agriculture in the classroom. The questions we have directed
[1:43:50] to staff, I recognise it's not proper engagement and accept
[1:43:55] that. But I'm going to raise them in public, not
[1:43:58] just for the staff, but for the entire community to
[1:44:02] ponder, think about, reflect, and give feedback. The questions we
[1:44:06] have directed to the CA, or Mr. Warren Mayor, whom,
[1:44:12] by the way, I respect deeply. On what he brings
[1:44:16] to this community. And the qualifications he holds, and the
[1:44:21] encounters I've had with him, with great respect, sir. And
[1:44:25] I take my hat off to you. And thank you.
[1:44:27] Mr. Corgan, you - Yes, final conclusion. So how does
[1:44:32] the township address the concern that a notesied developer will
[1:44:36] actually address the need for senior housing and not use
[1:44:39] it for other types of housing or flip the lands
[1:44:42] to another developer, given our local history. What would be
[1:44:46] a realistic timeline for an actual build - out? If
[1:44:49] there is the bookletic will to do so, and what
[1:44:53] it interfere with the present nuisance of the remaining lands.
[1:44:57] And would the township consider being the developer in partnership.
[1:45:02] With the AIDS society? That's a concept. To build out
[1:45:06] rental units similar to what a Perth geriatician builds out
[1:45:11] with a pharmacist partner. And what Ms. Oscugog First Nations,
[1:45:19] who honour their elders, build out for them. And I
[1:45:24] would invite everyone to take a look and visit that
[1:45:28] if you haven't seen. Well, how they honour their elders
[1:45:32] and what they do for them. Thank you, Madam Chair.
[1:45:35] Thank you, Mr. Corgan. Are there any questions. Seeing none,
[1:45:41] thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you for being
[1:45:43] here, Don, online. Okay, we'll move on to our last
[1:45:51] delegation. Which is Paula Wilson. Paul Ar.
[1:46:15] Okay, you're right. Uh, thank you for giving me the
[1:46:19] opportunity to speak before counsel on this really important matter.
[1:46:22] Um, I believe, uh, that it's, my name is Paula
[1:46:24] Wilson, and I live at 27 Andrews Drive. And just
[1:46:28] to make a quick correction, I believe Mr. Puckrin is
[1:46:30] actually Dr. Puckerin. Okay. I think it's really important what
[1:46:36] we're doing today and hear this discussion. It's important and
[1:46:39] vital to the future of this community to really preserve
[1:46:42] all of the fairgrounds as public space. The staff report
[1:46:46] that is before counsel today has seven recommendations. I am
[1:46:49] strongly urging counsel to consider and vote only on recommendation
[1:46:54] one, which is to receive the report for information. I
[1:46:57] strongly believe that the other recommendations should not be considered
[1:47:01] or endorsed at this time for a number of reasons.
[1:47:04] And given the time I have, I will try and
[1:47:07] limit it to three points. Uh, the first one is
[1:47:10] timing. The staff recommendations are different from the consultants report,
[1:47:15] and we'll have long - lasting implications for the community,
[1:47:17] especially the sale of land for private development. There has
[1:47:20] not been enough time for the public to review these
[1:47:23] recommendations and consider the consultants final report to reflect on
[1:47:27] the contents of both staff and consultant report and to
[1:47:31] provide feedback to the community, to the council before the
[1:47:34] decisions are made. This was released to the public lesson
[1:47:37] a week ago on July 8th. This is in the
[1:47:39] middle of July. Kids are a home from school. People
[1:47:42] are busier than normal, especially families, and many people are
[1:47:45] on vacation. This is not enough time for the community
[1:47:50] to really react to what the staff recommendations are to
[1:47:53] give feedback to council. What I understand that the community
[1:47:58] has had an opportunity to share the ideas, to create
[1:48:01] the consultant report, the community has not had an opportunity
[1:48:04] to react to the staff recommendations. They are two completely
[1:48:09] different things in my mind. And even five minutes per
[1:48:13] person is a little crazy, just saying. The current council,
[1:48:17] so also related to timing, but a different aspect is
[1:48:19] that the current council will be ending its mandate in
[1:48:22] a few months since it's already been pointed out. So
[1:48:24] perhaps this is not the moment to be making major
[1:48:26] commitment for our community. It is important. This is really
[1:48:30] important. We've heard from a number of people how important
[1:48:33] it is and how important the fairgrounds are and how
[1:48:35] important the continuation of the fair on those fairgrounds is.
[1:48:39] And therefore, there is no rush for this. And I
[1:48:42] don't understand why it was released on a Wednesday and
[1:48:45] on Monday, you have to make a decision. You don't.
[1:48:47] And I strongly encourage you to take the time and
[1:48:50] get more input before you make any decisions at all.
[1:48:54] The second point why I don't think you should accept
[1:48:56] the recommendations is that the staff report recommends, of course,
[1:49:00] the sale of the land, which we've talked about a
[1:49:02] lot, and we've heard almost all the delegations in strong
[1:49:05] support of not selling any land at this time. The
[1:49:09] documentation states that the revisioning is supposed to be community
[1:49:12] - led, but in my reading of the documents provided,
[1:49:15] which was the report of the consultants and additional materials.
[1:49:18] I don't see any place where anyone is advocating to
[1:49:21] sell off that land. Sorry. There's not, it's not there.
[1:49:24] In the report on page 108 of the agenda, which
[1:49:27] is part of the consultant report, is a list of
[1:49:29] key findings, which notes a number of things like open
[1:49:32] space recreation gathering agricultural identity, not sale of land. Further
[1:49:37] down at notes that overall round two confirmed broad support
[1:49:40] for maintaining the fairgrounds as publicly accessible community serving space
[1:49:44] not to be sold for housing. It doesn't say anything
[1:49:46] about selling for housing. Many participants, according to the report,
[1:49:51] express concern about housing loss of open space over development
[1:49:55] privatization, et cetera. Over 80 percent, and there are no
[1:49:58] numbers in that report, and I would like to note
[1:50:01] that the comments made about the deficiencies in the report.
[1:50:05] I agree with. But the one number I saw was
[1:50:07] that over 80 percent did not support even exploring mixed
[1:50:11] use of a small of a part of that land.
[1:50:13] So the vast majority of people, and as we've heard
[1:50:16] from today, do not support sale of that land. The
[1:50:20] argument in the report is that it must sell to
[1:50:22] secure funding for development of the space, and that space
[1:50:24] must be self - esteint, self - sustaining. I think
[1:50:27] that that decision is premature and not supported, not necessary
[1:50:32] at this time. Costs have yet to be identified. There
[1:50:35] is no plan, and other sources of funding have not
[1:50:38] been explored. A huge piece, and then finally my third
[1:50:43] point is that a huge piece is missing from this
[1:50:46] entire process. Regarding the future of the Port Peri Fair,
[1:50:50] and the relationship with the portural society. The consultant report
[1:50:54] and supporting documents make it clear that the community values
[1:50:57] the relationship of the fairgrounds to our agricultural heritage. And
[1:51:01] as a location for the fair. If you look on
[1:51:04] page 108 of the agenda, which is part of the
[1:51:06] report, it talks about, it's the notes that improvements to
[1:51:10] the fairgrounds were generally supported when they complemented the fairgrounds
[1:51:14] existing role. On page 109, common combinations of things that
[1:51:20] were supported by the community, included maintaining the fair and
[1:51:23] open space functions. They're not talking about housing again. Um,
[1:51:28] there's a number of other examples I could give, but
[1:51:30] I won't, because I'm running out of, um, out of
[1:51:33] time here. But the bottom line here is that what's
[1:51:36] missing in this report is any consultation with the portiacultural
[1:51:40] society, any collaboration, any open partnership, any extension of a
[1:51:45] discussion to figure out how the Port Perry Fair can
[1:51:48] continue to be on that space if there are going
[1:51:50] to be changes made. Uh, I think the selling of
[1:51:54] part of the land, as well as the wreath visioning
[1:51:56] of these three areas, may make it impossible for the
[1:51:58] fair to actually be take place there. And you wouldn't
[1:52:02] even know if it was or not, because you haven't
[1:52:05] spoken as far as I know to the actual agricultural
[1:52:07] society. Thank you. And in going to just finish up,
[1:52:12] as someone else had a lot more time, I'm just
[1:52:14] going to want to make a final point. If council
[1:52:16] wants to endorse anything today, I would say that they
[1:52:18] should be endorsing the keeping of all of the fairgrounds
[1:52:22] for public space, and they should endorse and commit to
[1:52:24] working with the port periagricultural society and to the community
[1:52:28] to plan out the future of that space. It should
[1:52:31] not be left to staff at this time. Thank you
[1:52:33] very much. Are there any further. Okay, thank you. Are
[1:52:42] there any questions. Councillor Guido. It wasn't a question, but
[1:52:48] just to the delegate, I appreciate your frustration with Council
[1:52:52] Agendas being available on the Wednesday. However, that is our
[1:52:55] procedural bylaw. Every single council agenda is available on Wednesday
[1:53:00] and gives us a limited days to absorb, read, and
[1:53:03] digest. So it's not, I just wanted to state that
[1:53:06] it's not unique to this particular topic. It wasn't done
[1:53:09] for nefarious reasons. It's literally how the Council agendas work.
[1:53:15] Thank you. I fully understand that, but given the nature
[1:53:17] of this, it doesn't, it's still not fair and not
[1:53:20] right to be making these series decisions so quickly. You
[1:53:23] really just haven't, you need to involve the community. Explain
[1:53:26] what the proposals are, what they mean takes sometimes. There's
[1:53:30] no rush here. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, that concludes
[1:53:37] our delegation list. So if I could, I'd ask for
[1:53:41] a motion to receive all the delegations as presented Council
[1:53:46] Guido, Secondary, Councillor Wright, all in favor. Thank you. And
[1:53:51] if I could also just quickly ask that we receive
[1:54:00] all the items of correspondence, item 7. 1 to 7.
[1:54:04] 7. In item 7. 9 to 7. 10 regarding the
[1:54:09] Port Perri Fairgrounds for Information. If I could have a
[1:54:13] motion to receive them. Councillor LaRoy, Councillor McDougal, thank you
[1:54:17] all in favor. And that is carried. Okay, so at
[1:54:23] this time. I've done all that, right? So I just
[1:54:31] do. This now. So at this time I would ask
[1:54:34] before consideration of the report comes forward that I will
[1:54:39] vacate the chair to Deputy Merrick Wedo. And in order
[1:54:44] to introduce motion.
[1:55:01] Thank you, Madam Mayor. I thought. Bio break I was
[1:55:05] getting excited to get up. Nonetheless, thank you Madam Mayor.
[1:55:10] I understand you have a motion that you would like
[1:55:12] to put on the floor. Thank you. Yes. Through the
[1:55:18] chair, I would move that report CAO 2026 - 006.
[1:55:25] The Fairgrounds Vision Exercise be deferred until the first quarter
[1:55:29] of 2027. My reasoning for this is that I have
[1:55:34] taken and contemplated most of the weekend. The feedback not
[1:55:40] only on social media, all the emails received. Some of
[1:55:45] the questions I myself had within the report. And respecting
[1:55:49] all the things that we heard today. I would just
[1:55:55] respectfully ask that the report be deferred until the first
[1:56:02] quarter of the new year. And is that your motion
[1:56:05] you're putting on the slower, Madam Mayor? Yes. I'll need
[1:56:07] a seconder. I'll ask for a seconder. Councillor Coin. Any
[1:56:13] questions to the motion. Is your hand up from the
[1:56:19] first, yep? Councillor McDougal. Thank you Madam Deputy Mayor. I
[1:56:26] can see no reason at this time that we can't
[1:56:29] receive the visioning exercise. As of today. Through Madam Mayor
[1:56:35] to the Maker of the Motion. Are you requesting a
[1:56:38] friendly amendment to the motion that is on the floor.
[1:56:41] I don't know if that would be friendly or not.
[1:56:46] Defurral's on the floor. Recorded vote, please. We're not at
[1:56:54] that stage yet. Councillor McDougal. Councillor LaRoye. Yes, thank you,
[1:57:02] Deputy Madam Mayor, through you. A procedural question, if I
[1:57:05] may. We have a lot of people in attendance, and
[1:57:08] I would like staff and RCO to present this visioning
[1:57:11] exercise. And I'm not sure if we defer it, do
[1:57:15] we lose that opportunity to have a presented this evening
[1:57:17] for this audience. Unless I allow or ask the CAO
[1:57:24] to do the presentation of the report, then yes, theoretically,
[1:57:27] once the vote is called, then it is deferred until
[1:57:29] the first quarter of 2027. So if the ask is
[1:57:36] for our CAO to provide a overview of the report,
[1:57:40] I will defer to the CAO if this is something.
[1:57:43] He's on the table. Okay. Defer. Okay. I am learning
[1:57:51] something as well. So right now the motion on the
[1:57:54] floor is to defer the decision until 2027. We have
[1:58:01] a moved and second. Are there any other questions, comments
[1:58:05] on this motion that's on the floor. Any other first
[1:58:09] - time questioners before I moved to Councillor McDougal. Councillor
[1:58:15] McDougal. Thank you, Madam Mayor. Do we have Representatives of
[1:58:18] Darwin Pivot here tonight to answer questions of their report?
[1:58:22] Madam Deputy Mayor. Sorry. Thank you, Madam Deputy Mayor. Uh,
[1:58:25] I don't believe we do, but the CAO can answer
[1:58:28] that question. It has nothing to do with the deferral
[1:58:38] councillor McDougal. The only thing we're debating now is the
[1:58:41] motion on the floor for the deferral. Well, I certainly
[1:58:43] wouldn't want to make a motion to defer and approve
[1:58:45] that to have representatives here that we then send away
[1:58:48] that could answer our questions. Councillor McDougal, I think you're
[1:58:54] well aware of what the representatives from Darwin Pivot look
[1:58:57] like. If you don't see them here, I don't see
[1:58:59] them online. That probably answers the question. Thank you very
[1:59:03] much. Councillor LaRoye. Yes through you, Madam Deputy Mayor. I'm
[1:59:12] so sorry. Another procedural question. Can we have some clarification
[1:59:15] on the outcome between deferringness to the future and receiving
[1:59:19] it for information? Before I try to answer that, I
[1:59:24] will ask the clerk procedurally. If we are allowed to
[1:59:28] give that distinction. Through you Madam Deputy Mayor, so the
[1:59:33] distinction would be that a deferral would likely include a
[1:59:35] time provision for this to come back, receiving for information
[1:59:39] would not be specific. And there would be no direction
[1:59:42] or instruction to bring it back at a certain time.
[1:59:50] So if we want this to go away forever, we
[1:59:53] table it. If we wanted to come back to the
[1:59:56] next council, we'd defer it. So procedurally tabling would be
[2:00:01] different. Receive for information, it could come back. The staff
[2:00:04] could choose to bring it back. Council could direct stop
[2:00:08] to bring it back. Tabling is another mechanism with which
[2:00:11] it would essentially shelve it. And it would require counsel
[2:00:14] to pull it from that shelf. Via notice a motion,
[2:00:19] if I'm. But I notice the motion. So that would
[2:00:20] take a couple, essentially schedules of council in order to
[2:00:24] do so. I think I'd rather table it. Well, right
[2:00:30] now the motion is on the floor for deferral. Are
[2:00:37] there any further questions. I recorded vote has been requested.
[2:00:42] And just to remind members of council, the motion that
[2:00:45] is on the floor is that the report is deferred
[2:00:50] until the first quarter of 2027. Once that is voted
[2:00:53] on, the conversation on the report has concluded. Correct? Thank
[2:00:58] you. On the. Deferral motion, uh, please indicate whether you're
[2:01:03] in favor or opposed regional counsel McDougal. Opposed. Councillor Coin.
[2:01:15] In favor. Councillor Guido. In favor. Councillor Roy. Opposed.
[2:01:26] Councillor Rock. In favor. Councillor Wright.
[2:01:36] In favor. And Mayer won. In favor. And that. Passes.
[2:01:45] Uh, members of the public. What we have heard this
[2:01:49] evening in your letters, in your delegations, your request is
[2:01:54] that this is referred to the next term of counsel.
[2:02:00] That's what this action has provided. It is provided that
[2:02:04] the next term of council is able to make whatever
[2:02:07] decisions they as a council want for that report. So
[2:02:14] I am unclear as to why there might be some
[2:02:17] displeasure with that outcome as every letter that was written
[2:02:22] was asking for members of council to consider whether or
[2:02:26] not this could be moved to the next term of
[2:02:29] council, uh, for that council to vote on. So this
[2:02:35] is made no change to status quo, which is as
[2:02:39] of today. Motion for recess. Councillor Coin.
[2:02:49] Councillor Rock, all is in favor. And that is carried.
[2:02:53] Thank you. Oh, for how long? 10 minutes. Ten minutes.
[2:22:43] Welcome back. I'd like to call this meeting back to
[2:22:46] order and continue with the business of the day. And
[2:22:53] that would be item number six motion for the Adoption
[2:22:58] of the Minutes from our previous council meeting June 22nd,
[2:23:04] 2026. Could I have a mover in a seconder, please?
[2:23:08] Councillor McDougall, Councillor Wright, thank you all in favor. And
[2:23:14] I was, Kerry, thank you very much. Now we will
[2:23:19] move on to item 7. 11, which is the Oxford
[2:23:25] Scugog Animal Shelter sponsorship package. I'll ask our CAO, Mr.
[2:23:31] Marr, to just speak to it. Please. Thank you. Through
[2:23:36] Madam Mayor, this report, I'm apologised, excuse me, for the
[2:23:39] last minute edition of this. But this report was put
[2:23:42] forward as it came forward to Oxford Council earlier today
[2:23:45] as well. It is just simply seeking endorsement to, excuse
[2:23:49] me, from council with regards to the attached sponsorship package.
[2:23:54] So that way, both municipalities can go off and solicit
[2:23:57] funds to help with a capital and operating costs of
[2:24:00] running the animal shelter. One small note is at the
[2:24:04] sponsorship package that was included as attachment to notes that
[2:24:07] it would be 20 year or up to 20 year
[2:24:09] terms. It was amended by Oxford's Council today to say
[2:24:13] 10 to 20 years. So that would, but that is
[2:24:17] what would be on the floor as part of the
[2:24:19] sponsorship package tonight. Thank you. Could I have a mover
[2:24:24] in a seconder? Councillor McDougal, Councillor Rock. And then in
[2:24:28] questions to the report, Councillor McDougal. Thank you, Madam Mayor.
[2:24:32] I gladly move that. I am desperately interested in the
[2:24:35] naming rights for 2 million dollars to name this the
[2:24:38] David Barton shelter, but I'm curious if it's only going
[2:24:41] to last for 10 years. I'm not sure if I
[2:24:46] want to spend 2 million dollars on that. Can you
[2:24:48] confirm that? I think you can confirm that all by
[2:24:53] yourself and ask Mayor Barton. But would it only be
[2:24:58] a 10 year naming right for the 2 million dollars?
[2:25:01] My understanding is it's going to be handled on an
[2:25:04] individual basis. So maybe. Yes, you better may. That is
[2:25:09] correct. And it could be up to 20 years, but
[2:25:10] it would be negotiated given the value at stake. The
[2:25:13] value of the naming right. Correct. All right. Like you
[2:25:17] get golf tickets every year for the next 20 years
[2:25:19] at least. That I don't know. Okay. Thank you. I
[2:25:22] don't know that the dogs have tickets to give. Thank
[2:25:25] you. Are there any further questions to the report.
[2:25:35] Seeing none, all in favor. And that is carried. Thank
[2:25:40] you very much. At this time, I will ask for
[2:25:44] a motion to move into. Oh, sorry. Oh, the clerk
[2:25:51] is reminding me that, uh, I miss 7. 8, which
[2:25:54] is the ombudsman report regarding an investigation of a meeting
[2:25:59] held by the township back in October 16, 2024. In
[2:26:05] Alaska, our clerk to speak to it, please. Thank you,
[2:26:09] Madam Mayor, and through you, just as a high level
[2:26:12] synopsis, a complaint received, was received by the Umudsman's office
[2:26:16] with respect to meeting how old October 16, 2024, in
[2:26:20] regards to the CAO recruitment process, the Ombudsman's investigation concluded
[2:26:26] that council was in compliance with municipal act with respect
[2:26:29] to the code session voting, notice, and meeting location. Uh,
[2:26:33] so it did not identify any contraventions to the municipal
[2:26:36] act as best practice. The Ombudsman did encourage us, the
[2:26:41] township, to specify minimum public notice requirements in our procedure
[2:26:44] bylaw, uh, will certainly take this undervisement and do so
[2:26:48] as part of our comprehensive procedural bylaw review for next
[2:26:50] term of council. And the complete report is attached to
[2:26:54] the agenda here for council's information this evening. Thank you.
[2:27:00] Mr. Clerk. It's always good to know when we're in
[2:27:03] compliance and not breaking any rules. So I appreciate the
[2:27:07] feedback from the Budsman and you're sharing that report. Thank
[2:27:12] you. Okay. So now, um, I need sec motion to
[2:27:19] receive a motion. Thank you. And a seconder. Councillor Wright,
[2:27:26] thank you all in favor. Thank you. Okay. So now
[2:27:30] I would like to ask for a motion to move
[2:27:33] into Closed Councillor Guido. Councillor Rock. Thank you. Um, and
[2:27:39] we will now enter into Closed. Session.
[2:56:32] Welcome back. We're back in open session. And I just
[2:56:36] like to report out that direction was given to staff
[2:56:41] or confidential report 2026 - 014, as well as confidential
[2:56:46] report 2026015. And that's it. So I'll have a
[2:56:56] motion for the confirming bylaw. Councillor Rock. Councillor Coyne, thank
[2:57:01] you all in favor. That is Kerry. Motion to adjourn,
[2:57:06] councillor right, councillor.