1 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:15,599 Yeah. Water rescue. >> All right, we'll call our work session 2 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:22,560 to order. Have a couple things to talk about tonight. First up is a request by 3 00:03:18,879 --> 00:03:26,640 councelor Moresy to uh consider further council discussion regarding flidation 4 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:27,519 of the city water system. >> Great. 5 00:03:26,959 --> 00:03:30,959 » There you go. >> Thank you. I have a statement. I'll try 6 00:03:29,599 --> 00:03:34,720 to hustle through it. Then I know councelor And throw wants to say 7 00:03:32,959 --> 00:03:38,000 something and possibly councelor Monttero. 8 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:42,239 All right. Tonight I'd like to speak about city of Seaside's water flidation 9 00:03:40,239 --> 00:03:46,720 policy. It's history. A few facts worth knowing and a request I'll bring as a 10 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:51,599 motion later this evening. So how we got here the 1984 decision. Thank you 11 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:56,640 Spencer and Kim for digging into this for me. In 1984 seaside voters approved 12 00:03:54,799 --> 00:04:00,720 adding fluoride to the public water supply. I want to be precise about that 13 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:05,920 history because how the decision was made matters as much as the decision 14 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:10,319 itself. On February 13th, 1984, this council faced a choice. Adopt flidation 15 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:14,560 by ordinance or refer the question to the voters. One counselor argued that 16 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:18,160 the council could and should simply enact it. But the council chose a 17 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:22,160 different path. Council President Robert Miller said the matter should be put to 18 00:04:20,079 --> 00:04:25,600 a vote of the people, in his words, so it would be supported instead of the 19 00:04:23,919 --> 00:04:30,639 council attempting to mandate it. The council then voted unanimously to send 20 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:34,479 it to the ballot. On March 27th, 1984, Seaside held a special election. The 21 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:41,199 measure, shall the city of Seaside Place fluoride in the city water system, 22 00:04:36,479 --> 00:04:46,720 passed, 576 to 402. About 978 residents voted. Roughly 59% said yes and we have 23 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:50,080 fluidated ever since. I start here because the way that decision was made 24 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:55,280 is important. Referred by the council, decided by voters. Now, a few facts 25 00:04:52,880 --> 00:05:00,080 about water fluidation. Uh, fluoride does not improve water purity or safety. 26 00:04:57,840 --> 00:05:04,240 Unlike chlorine, which disinfects, fluoride serves no treatment purpose. It 27 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:09,039 does not make our water cleaner or safer to drink. Number two, its only purpose 28 00:05:06,479 --> 00:05:13,520 is dental to reduce tooth decay. That was the stated purpose on the 1984 29 00:05:11,280 --> 00:05:18,479 ballot and it remains the sole rationale today. It is not the natural occurring 30 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:22,639 mineral form. I think there's a lot of confusion around this. Uh the fluoride 31 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:27,919 we add is a manufactured industrial chemical called sodium fluoride produced 32 00:05:25,280 --> 00:05:32,800 from hydrophalic acid and in our case imported from a chemical manufacturer in 33 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:36,880 China. Uh number four cost money. The city pays approximately 10,000 a year to 34 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:41,919 purchase this chemical according to our great finance director Zack Fleck. The 35 00:05:39,280 --> 00:05:45,759 benefits are modest and contested. So some studies do suggest a small but real 36 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:49,520 reduction in cavities. Other studies show no statistical change. But the most 37 00:05:47,919 --> 00:05:53,600 rigorous recent review found the benefits today is much smaller than it 38 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:57,919 was a decade ago now that dental hygiene and fluoride toothpaste are universal. 39 00:05:56,080 --> 00:06:02,320 The potential harms I'm going to try to state these carefully and factually. So 40 00:05:59,840 --> 00:06:05,759 dental fluorosis uh that's a streaking of children's tooth and animal is one 41 00:06:03,919 --> 00:06:09,840 that effects no one disputes at the levels we use. The leading review 42 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:14,800 estimate affects roughly one in eight people in Florida communities. 43 00:06:12,319 --> 00:06:18,880 Lower IQ in children. In 2024, the federal national toxicology program 44 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:23,199 concluded with moderate confidence that higher fluoride exposure is associated 45 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:26,880 with lower IQ in children. And in September of 2024, a federal court ruled 46 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:31,280 that fluidation at the current levels poses unreasonable risk and order the 47 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:35,120 EPA to act. Bone effects. Fluoride accumulates in the skeleton over a 48 00:06:33,039 --> 00:06:40,080 lifetime. It's cumulative and at higher doses, it's linked to skeletal changes 49 00:06:37,039 --> 00:06:45,360 and fracture risk. Thyroid functions. Some studies at higher exposures suggest 50 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:48,639 effects on thyroid home hormones. Vulner groups, it affects bottlefed infants 51 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:53,120 more because they're getting too much of it in their bottle milk. Uh even the 52 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:56,400 American Dental Association suggested lower fluoride water as an option. 53 00:06:54,960 --> 00:07:00,400 People with kidney disease have a hard time processing it. Heavy water drinkers 54 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:05,280 whose dose rises every time they consume. Uh to be fair, the strongest of 55 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:10,160 this evidence is at concentrations higher than what we currently put in the 56 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:13,440 water. And credible experts disagree on whether this is good or bad. But many 57 00:07:11,759 --> 00:07:17,199 credible institutions, including a federal court and a federal toxicology 58 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:22,160 program among them, have reopened the question we considered closed in 1984. 59 00:07:20,479 --> 00:07:26,800 When the experts stop agreeing, the public deserves to weigh in. One local 60 00:07:24,639 --> 00:07:31,199 fact, since 2015, federal health authorities have recommended a fluoride 61 00:07:28,479 --> 00:07:35,440 level of 007 milligrams per liter. Seaside's most recent reported level, 62 00:07:33,199 --> 00:07:40,080 this was a sample in 2021, was about 1.04 04 milligrams per liter above that 63 00:07:37,759 --> 00:07:43,919 recommendation. This alone warrants a closer look by staff. Okay. Why I'm 64 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:47,599 raising this now? So I bring this forward because it's been 42 years since 65 00:07:45,759 --> 00:07:50,800 this council and seaside residents had a say. I'd like to bring the topic back 66 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:54,560 and open it up to our residents, to dentists, and to public health experts. 67 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:59,039 Two things to keep in mind. This is entirely our decision. So Oregon does 68 00:07:56,960 --> 00:08:03,199 not mandate fluoride. Seaside has the full authority to continue it, to end 69 00:08:00,879 --> 00:08:08,639 it, or to return it to voters. Two, seaside is not an outliner for asking. 70 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:12,160 Roughly 74% of Oregonians on public water systems do not have fluidated 71 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:18,240 water, including our neighbor to the south can of beach. Only about 26% do. 72 00:08:16,319 --> 00:08:21,520 And this conversation is happening all around us. In just the last few years, 73 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:26,560 Oregon communities have taken this up again and again. Sweet Home Council 74 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:31,520 voted to remove it 2025. Lebanon voted to end their flidation program. The 75 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:35,680 voters did in 2024. Hillsboro voters rejected add again in 2024. Portland, 76 00:08:33,839 --> 00:08:40,000 the largest city in Oregon, does not add Florida and they rejected it again in 77 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:44,560 2013. And then Warrington, right next door up the road, voters chose to keep 78 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:48,000 it in 2026. The lesson isn't which way they went. Some kept it, some mended it. 79 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:51,760 The lesson is of community after community decided deserves a fresh 80 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:58,399 public decision and let their people make it. All right. My biggest concern, 81 00:08:54,240 --> 00:09:02,320 it's a policy no one can opt out of. So, just to name it plainly, the policy 82 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:06,240 has real consequence for residents who are worried about this additive because 83 00:09:04,399 --> 00:09:10,000 there is no way to opt out of it. Everyone drinks water. We bathe in it. 84 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:13,120 We cook with it, water our gardens and lawns with it. At a coffee shop or 85 00:09:11,680 --> 00:09:17,519 restaurant in town, you're drinking it too, whether you know it or not. A 86 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:21,760 resident who has read the recent science and decides that they want to avoid it 87 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:26,080 cannot. as long as the city adds it for everyone. A policy this sweeping with 88 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:30,320 potential second order effects deserves closer and current examination. And 89 00:09:28,560 --> 00:09:34,399 there is a related problem. Even among those who drink it, there's actually no 90 00:09:32,399 --> 00:09:39,279 way to control the dose. So fluidation sets a concentration in the water at the 91 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:42,560 the city level and not a dose per person. So everyone drinks different 92 00:09:40,959 --> 00:09:46,000 amounts of water. And a construction worker, an athlete who's drinking 93 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:49,760 gallons a day is going to get far more than someone who just drinks a glass or 94 00:09:47,519 --> 00:09:53,279 two a day. a large adult, a small child, someone with a medical condition that 95 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:57,440 makes them drink more. All receive very different amounts from the same tap is 96 00:09:55,600 --> 00:10:01,360 unlike any medication a doctor would ever prescribe where the dose is matched 97 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:05,839 to the person. Here concentration is fixed and the dose is left to chance. So 98 00:10:03,839 --> 00:10:10,000 what I'm asking tonight, I'm not asking anyone to decide tonight whether flood 99 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:13,519 stays or goes or is good or bad. What I'm saying is that a policy decision of 100 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:17,360 this magnitude, one that reaches every person that drinks our water, deserves 101 00:10:15,279 --> 00:10:21,519 our time and attention, deserves input, and the generation living with it today. 102 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:26,000 The original decision was made 42 years ago. Very few people who made it are 103 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:31,120 still here to speak to it. The gen this generation of Seaside deserves a vote. 104 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:34,399 No decision needs to be made tonight, but later this evening, I will make a 105 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:38,079 motion to bring the issue back to a full agenda so the staff can analyze it and 106 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:42,160 with a chance for our residents or dentists health experts to be heard. And 107 00:10:40,399 --> 00:10:46,160 I'll hope that you will join me in giving them this opportunity. 108 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:52,800 » Thank you. >> Your cost estimate, it's about actually 109 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:58,640 two to three times that the 10,000. actually closer to 20 to 30,000 after 110 00:10:55,360 --> 00:11:01,040 you do the permitting stability. Okay. Pumps, all the systems. 111 00:10:59,839 --> 00:11:03,040 » I think that was just the cost of the actual 112 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:04,720 » just the cost of the material. You're right about that. 113 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:10,160 » I'll update that. >> The whole fluoride system and the 114 00:11:06,959 --> 00:11:16,959 permitting is 20 to 30,000 a year. >> Thank you for that. Uh councelor. Yeah, 115 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:22,000 I I support everything you said and you hit a lot of the high spots that I was 116 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:26,079 going to bring up. And uh I'm just going to reiterate a couple of things. Uh 117 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:30,240 there are several states that recently reconsidered 118 00:11:27,839 --> 00:11:34,800 or prohibited fluoridation and federal agencies have begun re-examining aspects 119 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:40,000 of fluoride policy particularly regarding ingested fluoride products for 120 00:11:37,839 --> 00:11:45,040 our children and a broader health questions. Uh Oregon as you pointed out, 121 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:48,399 remains one of the least fluidated states in the nation, ranking near the 122 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:54,399 bottom of the percentage of residents receiving fluoridated community water. 123 00:11:51,279 --> 00:12:00,240 Uh some points, uh when this was rolled out in the 1950s, many Americans had no 124 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:05,279 regular dentist. Uh fluoride toothpaste wasn't common place. Dental sealants 125 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:11,279 didn't exist. Oral health education was limited. Sugar consumption patterns were 126 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:16,160 different. Today, fluoride toothpaste is nearly universal. Fluoride mouth rinses 127 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:21,920 and professional treatments are readily available. Sealants protect children's 128 00:12:18,959 --> 00:12:27,839 teeth. Preventive dentistry is standard practice. Even on every tube of fluoride 129 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:32,399 toothpaste, it reminds us not to swallow it. That naturally leads many people to 130 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:38,160 ask reasonable questions about adding fluoride to the drinking water. Those 131 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:43,279 questions deserve respectful discussion. I'm asking that we place the topic on a 132 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:50,079 future agenda for discussion. Whether someone supports fluidation or opposes 133 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:54,720 it isn't really the point. Public policy shouldn't be placed on a shelf for 75 134 00:12:52,560 --> 00:12:59,760 years and never looked at again. Community water flidation began in the 135 00:12:57,519 --> 00:13:04,399 40s and became federal policy in the 50s. At that time, dentistry, nutrition, 136 00:13:02,399 --> 00:13:09,200 preventive dental care, it all looked very different than it does today. We 137 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:12,560 now have fluoride toothpastes, fluoride rinses, dental sealants, routine 138 00:13:10,959 --> 00:13:18,240 cleanings, and much better public education about oral health. At the same 139 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:23,680 time, communities across the country are once again asking whether this remains 140 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:29,120 the right public policy. States are reconsidering it. Federal agencies are 141 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:33,279 reviewing aspects of fluoride policy. Regardless of where each of us stands, 142 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:39,519 it's fair to acknowledge that this conversation is happening nationwide. 143 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:44,399 I believe asking questions is exactly what good government is supposed to do. 144 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:49,040 If after reviewing the facts, our community decides flidation should 145 00:13:46,399 --> 00:13:54,399 continue, then so be it. If our community decides otherwise, then it 146 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:59,920 should be respected as well. Our role isn't to decide that for the people 147 00:13:56,560 --> 00:14:04,880 today. Our role is to ensure that they have the opportunity to hear the facts, 148 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:09,920 that they have the opportunity to ask questions and ultimately make an 149 00:14:07,279 --> 00:14:13,839 informed decision. That's why I'm supporting placing this issue on a 150 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:17,040 future agenda and if appropriate allowing the voters of Seaside to 151 00:14:15,519 --> 00:14:22,480 decide. Our responsibility is not to defend 152 00:14:19,839 --> 00:14:27,720 yesterday's decisions. It's to make sure that they're still the right decisions 153 00:14:24,399 --> 00:14:27,720 for today. 154 00:14:30,079 --> 00:14:37,519 Well, this couldn't be more timely because uh as you know, I had my 155 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:43,120 orientation uh dance card over the past week and a half and as soon as uh I went 156 00:14:40,639 --> 00:14:50,399 up to the water treatment plant and met with Ron and I took notes specifically 157 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:56,000 about the fluoride and the next morning I'm in the shower and we know what 158 00:14:53,760 --> 00:15:00,320 happens when we're in the shower. We think 159 00:14:56,480 --> 00:15:03,760 » we well we we hope we know. So I I came up with this and then all of a sudden 160 00:15:02,079 --> 00:15:08,800 this is on the agenda. So I appreciate it. Uh the seaside water use and 161 00:15:06,959 --> 00:15:13,600 fluoride fluoride treatment cost analysis. The following is ba is based 162 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:19,360 on the seaside residential population of seven roughly 7,300 plus 2700 visitors 163 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:27,120 in out of city users for a total of 10,000 person average daily population 164 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:31,680 outside of high season. So as you can find this information anywhere, the 165 00:15:28,639 --> 00:15:37,279 typical water use per person uh is approximately 100 gallons per day and 166 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:42,800 that's laundry, dishes, shower, toilet, cleaning, washing your car, whatever 167 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:48,880 you're doing. Uh and the daily household per person water usage for drinking and 168 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:54,399 cooking is anywhere from one to 2%. So the left hand column is if you used 1% 169 00:15:52,160 --> 00:16:02,079 of water and the right hand column just shows if you used two gallons of water. 170 00:15:57,519 --> 00:16:09,279 So there's your math. So on a basic on a 10,000 population daily total we are 171 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:14,959 using a million gallons approximately and that is based on the uh city's 172 00:16:12,079 --> 00:16:20,079 website report. I'm sure it's goes up and it goes down but I'm sure it goes 173 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:26,560 more up. So that's our water usage. When you're looking at the fluoride itself, 174 00:16:22,639 --> 00:16:33,519 these 50 lb bags come in a pallet with 50 and so they're approximately $60 per 175 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:42,639 bag and they're put in every other day. So you could say $30 a day, right? Okay. 176 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:48,000 So $30 a day at 365 days a year is $10,950. 177 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:53,920 Okay. The annual Cost of fluoride effectiveness 178 00:16:49,680 --> 00:17:02,079 is either 1% or 2%. In other words, the total consumed discharged fluoridated 179 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:06,160 water based on 1% actually consumed is 99%. 180 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:11,600 You're we're flushing it down the drain. And if you are a high water drinker, 181 00:17:08,799 --> 00:17:18,319 then it's 98%. [clears throat] So there's asterisks on here. and 182 00:17:15,199 --> 00:17:23,679 drinking tap water, food prep, cooking, boiling pasta, washing vegetables, and 183 00:17:20,959 --> 00:17:30,240 making hot soups or beverages uses an average of 0.1 to one uh gallons per 184 00:17:26,959 --> 00:17:37,600 total per person daily. Portion of total used. The direct oral and culinary use 185 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:44,640 represent only one 1% to one and a half% of total households. 186 00:17:39,919 --> 00:17:51,200 a household is based on uh four people and that is according to the US EPA. 187 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:56,559 Um household refrigerators with filtered 188 00:17:53,200 --> 00:18:02,559 water dispensers do not remove fluoride. Fluoride is a mineral. Statistics do not 189 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:08,640 include restaurant ice makers and restaurant tap water consumed is 190 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:15,440 approximately 1% of uh all water use. So, I'm coming from a a different angle, 191 00:18:13,039 --> 00:18:20,960 but um I just wanted to make everybody aware and that's that's just for the the 192 00:18:19,039 --> 00:18:25,520 sodium fluoride itself and has nothing to do with the pipes and permits and 193 00:18:23,360 --> 00:18:29,600 everything else. So, it's an expense that we are literally flushing down the 194 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:34,880 drain. >> Great input. Thank you. 195 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:39,840 » Else want to make a comment before we move on. I'd be interested in knowing 196 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:45,919 what the sodium fluoride does to our pipes. 197 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:52,000 Maybe our public works director can tell us. 198 00:18:48,799 --> 00:18:55,679 » I think staff would prefer to find out what you want to know and 199 00:18:53,760 --> 00:19:00,080 come back prepared rather than just off the cuff 200 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:04,720 remarks. I think and I think that's what council mores is asking is to bring it 201 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:09,039 back for a larger discussion. But if we do that, it would be helpful for us to 202 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:12,080 know what should we come prepared with. Exactly like that. 203 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:14,880 » Yeah, I think that's part of it. But I know there's also a lot of members of 204 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:19,679 the public that want to speak as well. So maybe it's a combination of your 205 00:19:16,559 --> 00:19:22,480 analysis and then taking testimony. >> Yeah. 206 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:25,280 » Well, it be like any other item we bring up. 207 00:19:23,360 --> 00:19:27,440 » There'll be a staff report about it, public comment. 208 00:19:27,360 --> 00:19:30,160 Do >> you have anything? 209 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:36,320 » That that was really where I was headed. I don't know anything about 210 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:42,080 what what else has to be done besides not putting this bag in the water. Like 211 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:46,160 does it require any other um reconfiguration or reconstitution of the 212 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:50,480 way that the water is treated at the treatment plant the cost to the city? 213 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:58,720 » That would be good question for the staff report to answer as well. 214 00:19:55,039 --> 00:20:05,679 » This has been a a issue that's come about 215 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:10,799 mo mostly recently. So, um I'm fine with it going before the public. It's you 216 00:20:08,559 --> 00:20:15,919 said it's been a long time and I don't see any reason why we wouldn't 217 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:20,160 go to the public as opposed to us deciding. I think we're all agree with 218 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:26,720 that, right? >> So, um 219 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:32,640 there are there are counterpoints to some of your points. 220 00:20:29,039 --> 00:20:39,440 thing that I always look at is uh dental plans are not available to a good 221 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:44,159 portion of our public both young and old because that's not covered under 222 00:20:41,039 --> 00:20:48,640 Medicaid and that means a lot of our kids that are at the poverty level you 223 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:54,880 know they're going to have to find some place to make sure they get the fluoride 224 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:58,799 and maybe toothpaste is enough but there's certainly a lot less dental 225 00:20:57,360 --> 00:21:04,320 care available And so hearing from Dennis will be an 226 00:21:01,039 --> 00:21:08,320 important part of it. Um we can you know like you said Warrington just went 227 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:12,720 through this so we can follow up what they said see what they 228 00:21:10,559 --> 00:21:16,559 did and obviously sees sides of different 229 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:22,679 cities. So we'll see. >> I do have a motion but I'll I'll bring 230 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:22,679 that out during my comments. 231 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:32,960 » Don't really have to have a motion. Um >> I'm the that sets the agenda along with 232 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:37,760 you and and staff. So, as far as I'm concerned, I think we have a consensus 233 00:21:35,039 --> 00:21:40,000 that yeah, it's it can become an agenda item. 234 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:43,200 » Great. >> Tell you that 235 00:21:40,799 --> 00:21:45,760 » not be able to go on the ballot this year. We don't have enough time for 236 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:53,120 that. >> So, we'll probably be looking at the May 237 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:59,760 um not sure costwise. That's something else staff can figure out. um it will 238 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:04,400 cost us something to put it on the ballot and if it's at a general or a 239 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:11,840 primary election for instance and it's less it's not nearly as expensive. 240 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:17,919 » I can tell you that um any child that um is enrolled in Head Start once a year 241 00:22:14,799 --> 00:22:21,679 headart offers the fluidation treatment and the parents can elect not to have 242 00:22:20,559 --> 00:22:25,840 it. >> That's a pretty small amount of kids 243 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:32,159 compared the hundreds in our primary schools 244 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:34,720 school. Okay. 245 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:37,679 » Yeah. Just thank you everyone for the input. 246 00:22:35,679 --> 00:22:42,320 » Thank you. Thanks for putting it on the topic. 247 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:47,679 » Okay. Next up, uh we have a item on the agenda tonight, consideration of the 248 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:54,960 parks advisory committee's estuary plaque proposal. So, who's uh going to 249 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:58,600 come up? I have a uh 250 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:10,039 » I think Nancy and Bill and probably Paul, do you want to come up as well? 251 00:23:07,039 --> 00:23:10,039 » Okay. 252 00:23:10,580 --> 00:23:16,000 [clears throat] >> Make sure you're in a spot where we can 253 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:19,400 catch your lovely faces. You got him. 254 00:23:25,360 --> 00:23:29,799 » You want to introduce this 255 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:37,039 » mayor and council? Um, I'll introduce this. So, this came this I think was 256 00:23:35,679 --> 00:23:42,320 announced. This is the first time I heard about was at our last meeting. Um 257 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:48,559 but it's been from what I've told been a discuss topic of discussion for many 258 00:23:44,559 --> 00:23:54,720 years at the parks committee level and so um once I think councelor Ansbro 259 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:58,159 mentioned this um there was a parks committee is planning a plaque ceremony 260 00:23:56,559 --> 00:24:04,480 thought okay let's let's dig a little deeper into that and councelor Tono um 261 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:12,400 also um asked for more information about it um and so looked into it and um the 262 00:24:09,679 --> 00:24:19,360 parks committee would like to do a plaque ceremony recognizing Neil Maine 263 00:24:15,039 --> 00:24:25,520 at the estuary park and uh they've uh made some plans and I uh met with Nancy 264 00:24:23,279 --> 00:24:29,440 and we had discussion about how and a reminder about how the parks committee 265 00:24:27,039 --> 00:24:32,240 is advisory. So, they want to do something. That's where they need to get 266 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:37,440 council approval. And we talked about how the new um updated council ordinance 267 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:41,360 would help with that and provide a better mechanism for clear 268 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:48,400 communications and direction and things like that. So, um but um there was time 269 00:24:45,279 --> 00:24:53,360 between um the event that they would like to hold uh and uh well, we have 270 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:59,200 this meeting in between then. So there was an opportunity for the council to 271 00:24:55,440 --> 00:25:03,039 come and listen to the uh idea, the proposal, ask some questions, provide 272 00:25:01,679 --> 00:25:05,919 some feedback, and then if you're comfortable with it, they can move 273 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:10,960 forward. If you'd like to make adjustments to it, um that can also 274 00:25:08,559 --> 00:25:14,240 happen. Um if you'd like to go a different direction, that can also 275 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:18,320 happen and we can have that discussion. And so it's on uh what we can talk about 276 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:22,640 in the work session and then any decision from the council will be in the 277 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:28,799 regular meeting. And I've got we got a couple of slides. 278 00:25:25,919 --> 00:25:34,000 Um here's I think people are generally familiar with the Echuary Park across 279 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:41,279 the street from the old high school. Here is the um advertisement that 280 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:45,520 they've put together. And then Paul can fill you in a little bit later if you 281 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:50,080 want do want to move forward. His recommendation is not so much on a rock 282 00:25:47,279 --> 00:25:53,039 like that, but on a pedestal. And this is what we're talking about where it 283 00:25:51,279 --> 00:25:56,799 would be located. But I'm going to leave it on this slide and turn it over to 284 00:25:55,120 --> 00:26:00,720 Nancy as our chair of the parks committee to introduce it and talk a 285 00:25:59,120 --> 00:26:04,520 little bit about why the parks committee would like to pursue this. 286 00:26:06,559 --> 00:26:14,159 » I think Paul knows too though. Um, we need to wrap up about the quarter to 287 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:18,559 six. So again, we're not making any decisions here, counselors. This is 288 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:23,159 strictly a discussion. We want to make any decisions, we'll do it in council. 289 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:33,360 » Good evening. I'm Nancy Holmes, chair of the parks advisory committee, and to my 290 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:38,400 left is Phil Monttero, our vice chair. Um, 291 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:44,559 in January 2023, the city of side initiated initiated a complex pro 292 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:49,120 process of purchasing land which is now known as Esttoary Park. At the same 293 00:26:47,279 --> 00:26:54,480 time, several residents came to the park's advisory meeting, suggesting that 294 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:57,919 if the purchase was successful, Neil Maine, a local educator, 295 00:26:56,240 --> 00:27:03,440 conservationist, and wildlife photographer, should be recognized for 296 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:10,080 his work in helping protect the vital coastal estuary and wetland habitats 297 00:27:06,559 --> 00:27:15,279 along the Oregon North Coast. During his 31-year tenure at the Seaside School 298 00:27:12,559 --> 00:27:20,480 District, he taught biology, created outdoor programs, connected with our 299 00:27:17,919 --> 00:27:26,480 students, connecting our students with local ecosystems. After his retirement, 300 00:27:23,919 --> 00:27:30,799 he was one of the founders of the North Coast Land Conservancy. That was 40 301 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:34,559 years ago. Based on public recommendations, the committee looked at 302 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:40,880 several ways to honor Neil for his lifelong work. In their September 4th, 303 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:46,880 2025 meeting, the committee and members of the public suggested creating a 304 00:27:43,360 --> 00:27:50,320 plaque as a tribute to Neil. Several of Neil's former students and friends of 305 00:27:48,799 --> 00:27:57,120 the committee designed the beautiful plaque you see on the flyer. 306 00:27:53,520 --> 00:28:02,080 Aware that Neil is in poor is now in poor health, anonymous donors arranged 307 00:27:59,919 --> 00:28:07,039 for the plaque to be cast and presented to the committee so Neil could be 308 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:11,360 honored during a living tribute ceremony while he was still able to share in the 309 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:17,520 occasion. Lexi Halahan has engaged former students 310 00:28:14,799 --> 00:28:24,960 and longtime friends of Neils to speak at a living tribute event planned for 1 311 00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:29,600 p.m. Tuesday, August 11th. Many other friends and former students 312 00:28:27,120 --> 00:28:37,039 have been invited to join at the edge of the beautiful seashore sea side estuary 313 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:42,000 to reminisce about the exploration of that land and when they had an 314 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:46,720 opportunity to discover its secrets with their miss with their teacher Miss 315 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:52,000 Germaine. The committee has applied for a vent permit from the city. Several 316 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:56,240 potential locations for the plaque, both public and private sites, have been 317 00:28:53,919 --> 00:29:01,679 considered. The parks advisory committee's recommendation to the 318 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:07,200 council tonight would would be best would it that it would be best mounted 319 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:12,480 on a rock or concrete monument to be installed at Estuary Park. We can talk 320 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:17,760 more about that. We respectfully request your approval of our recommendation to 321 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:23,200 provide permanent public recognition of Neil Main's extraordinary service and 322 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:28,480 lasting tri legacy through the installation of this commemorative 323 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:31,720 plaque as part of the living tribute. Thank you. 324 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:40,240 » Bill, anything to add? >> No, we looked at several locations. Um, 325 00:29:38,559 --> 00:29:43,679 we talked to school, you know, school district is willing to do it. Land 326 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:47,919 conservy's willing to put a plaque there. We thought it was most 327 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:52,559 appropriate here in Seaside because he was a seaside teacher and brought a lot 328 00:29:50,159 --> 00:30:00,679 of the stu the people that we all know to the estuary and actually made him 329 00:29:54,559 --> 00:30:00,679 aware of what it is and it's expans. 330 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:10,080 » Okay, counselors questions. Uh, I I guess my only concern would be if we do 331 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:12,640 do an upgrade to Estuary Park, are we going to put this in a place where it 332 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:15,440 doesn't have to be moved? So, we almost have to kind of figure out what we're 333 00:30:13,919 --> 00:30:18,399 going to do there, I think, before we place it. 334 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:22,320 » Why don't Why don't we We had that exact discussion we met on site today. Paul, 335 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:26,480 do you want to walk through your ideas here and what we talked about when it 336 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:32,480 comes to that? What I told Paul is that I don't want to design the park around 337 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:37,600 the plaque. So we have to do it in such a way that it can be relocated if 338 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:43,200 necessary. >> So uh I talked with my folks and we came 339 00:30:40,399 --> 00:30:50,000 up with this idea for a concrete base for the for the plaque. Um you would sit 340 00:30:46,399 --> 00:30:54,159 about a foot underground. So the three feet below the plaque is really two feet 341 00:30:52,399 --> 00:30:59,600 and the five feet's really only going to stick up four. But, uh, we made it a 342 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:05,919 certain size so we could sling this out of here very easily and move it around. 343 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:09,919 Um, it would be solid as it was, but it would be an easy matter just to pick it 344 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:12,960 up and move it wherever we wanted to. If they had to move it out of the park or 345 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:18,080 if we had to move it to another location of the park, that's definitely something 346 00:31:14,559 --> 00:31:23,760 we can do. It's not beyond the equipment's uh mass loading and it's not 347 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:27,520 like anchored into a much larger base which would be far more problematic to 348 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:30,320 move >> and it's heavy enough that nobody else 349 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:35,840 could do it. >> Yeah. So, [laughter] 350 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:38,240 it's it's just under 3,000 lbs with that much concrete. So, 351 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:41,600 » um >> Wow. 352 00:31:39,039 --> 00:31:45,120 » Yeah. It's um it's fairly substantial, but not too much that our little mini 353 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:50,320 excavator can't pick it up and move it around. So, that's kind of the the 354 00:31:48,159 --> 00:31:56,360 weight limit that we were looking at in order to kind of uh satisfy the 355 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,360 requirements. 356 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:07,279 » Thank you. >> The estuary is not in good condition. in 357 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:12,880 the extruary park is not in good condition and um I would suspect that 358 00:32:11,279 --> 00:32:20,480 we're going to be doing a lot of work there in the future. Um so one of the 359 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:25,440 questions I have is because it's not in good condition and there's activity 360 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:35,039 there all the time. Um what would be the plan 361 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:41,360 for the um to maintain 362 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:44,880 this and maintain the plaque? I really don't want to see something like that 363 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:51,600 defaced. >> Right. So um we still have um the 364 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:56,559 process of going through maybe some uh concept with architects on may how we 365 00:32:54,240 --> 00:33:01,760 may adjust work out there. Um the platform does 366 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:08,240 need help. It uh is in disrepair. Um we have two um staircases going down, both 367 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:13,279 made out of wood. Um I'd like to pull both out, replace one of them with a 368 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:18,640 concrete one. I think the best thing to do, uh since Echuary Park has, you know, 369 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:24,480 a natural habitat theme is to keep everything man-made in one little area. 370 00:33:21,919 --> 00:33:29,360 So, as you can see in that photo, right to the extreme left on the lower photo, 371 00:33:27,039 --> 00:33:33,200 that's where the stairs go down right now. And the other one is way down on 372 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:39,840 the end. I would take the ones on the on the north end out completely, replace 373 00:33:35,919 --> 00:33:44,720 these with uh concrete. Um, since it is in the flood plane, um, there's going to 374 00:33:42,559 --> 00:33:50,640 be permitting. I'd rather not rock the boat, as you may say, and rebuild on the 375 00:33:47,679 --> 00:33:55,919 existing platform that's there, um, which would be a minimal regulatory 376 00:33:53,679 --> 00:34:00,799 impact to us, um, while still preserving, you know, a wonderful place 377 00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:04,320 to observe the estuary. >> So, if we were to pull out that 378 00:34:02,159 --> 00:34:08,000 platform, would we be legally permitted to put it back in? 379 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:12,079 » Um, well, what's really we're talking about are the pilings. That's what's in 380 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:16,159 the flood plane. So that's what's holding the stuff up. We maintain those. 381 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:20,399 They're in good shape. It's it's the top decking and some of the railings that 382 00:34:17,839 --> 00:34:25,760 that need replacement that if we just did like for like it shouldn't be an 383 00:34:22,879 --> 00:34:31,040 issue whatsoever. Um if we want to upgrade it to say using a composite 384 00:34:28,240 --> 00:34:36,079 material like TX or something like that, we'll have to put additional supports 385 00:34:33,839 --> 00:34:40,399 underneath of it. But I don't believe we would need more pilings. So that which 386 00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:44,240 actually impacts the flood plane of the pilings, I don't believe that we would 387 00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:50,000 need additional ones that we could build the structure off of the existing. 388 00:34:47,919 --> 00:34:57,119 » Cross your fingers. >> What's the cost for the concrete basin? 389 00:34:52,240 --> 00:35:02,160 Who's paying for that? Um the cost um we're talking let's see 390 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:06,880 we're talking like a $100 worth of concrete 391 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:11,920 um and maybe another $100 worth of just uh boards for forming it up. So 392 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:17,280 basically $200 worth of material cost and about a day to put it together. So 393 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:20,480 » So labor for a day. >> For a day. Yeah. 394 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:23,359 » For one person. >> Mhm. 395 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:28,800 And then $200 >> pretty much. Yeah, it's a pretty low 396 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:32,880 cost. And that's the doing the boulder. It would have been really difficult to 397 00:35:30,240 --> 00:35:37,040 find a boulder with a face. And the boulder itself probably would have cost 398 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:41,760 at least $600 to $1,000 after all said and done. So, um I think 399 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:46,400 that the pedestal we can control it better and it'll make a better mounting 400 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:52,720 surface and we can move it easier, too. Um a boulder that size would be probably 401 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:56,240 one and a half to two times the weight of that. So, it'll be a little more 402 00:35:54,079 --> 00:35:59,680 difficult and it wouldn't sit, you know, we can lay this on its end and move it 403 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:04,144 around if we had to move it to another location. It would be an easy, safer 404 00:36:01,839 --> 00:36:07,520 move to this. It's also easier to anchor [clears throat] 405 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:12,560 um the plaque down to this. >> So, how high is this above the ground? 406 00:36:10,720 --> 00:36:17,200 » Four feet. The top of that will be four feet. So, the top, it says five feet 407 00:36:15,119 --> 00:36:21,520 from the bottom of the top. The bottom foot will be below grade. 408 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:26,200 » Do we have to worry at all about skateboarders? 409 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,200 » Um, 410 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:34,079 there's not a lot of what I would call good skateboarding surface right there. 411 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:41,599 We're going to be off of the pavement anyway. Um, I I think it I'm trying to 412 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:44,000 see how a skateboarder would want to utilize that. 413 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:50,480 » Um, >> they do prom. Yeah. Um, we've tried to 414 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:57,520 put it as far back from any of the paved surfaces so it doesn't um congest any 415 00:36:54,800 --> 00:37:02,320 ADA or any people coming in and going. It also pulls it back far enough so that 416 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:05,599 we went in and rebuilt the platform. It's not going to be in the way of the 417 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:08,800 construction, too. Plus, it's I think it's a good prominent location. People 418 00:37:07,599 --> 00:37:12,320 come in there and it's right there and they can see it, but it really doesn't 419 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:18,240 get in the way of, you know, wheelchair traffic, pedestrian traffic, uh, even 420 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:23,400 bicycles. So, >> I like that they have it turned around 421 00:37:19,839 --> 00:37:26,240 so they have to get out of their cars. [laughter] 422 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:32,240 » Yeah. But then they're have their back to the estuary when they're reading it. 423 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:38,960 » They're out of their cars. >> That's it. Yeah. Um 424 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:43,440 » concrete. Uh we have a lot of concrete that likes to get tagged. 425 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:47,599 » Yeah. Um >> aggregate. 426 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:52,480 » We could I mean they'll still tag it. I mean 427 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:59,599 we can we could try to seal it um as best as possible to try to mitigate uh 428 00:37:54,800 --> 00:38:05,119 you know make it easier to clean. Um >> can we seal it? We can you can seal 429 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:09,440 concrete to a degree um just so that it has a more uh the surface is easier to 430 00:38:08,720 --> 00:38:13,440 clean. >> Then you have to redo it. 431 00:38:11,119 --> 00:38:18,880 » You have to redo it. So >> um I don't know if tagging has been an 432 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:20,960 issue out there. Um but again if you build it they will come. 433 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:27,320 » Yeah. >> Kind of a thing. 434 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:27,320 So, uh, yeah, 435 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:33,599 there's only so much you can do. >> And that's the question, and I am 436 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:40,320 certainly not the engineer, so let me caveat my comment with that. 437 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:44,000 » But, um, it seems like when you see a plaque somewhere, you 438 00:38:42,079 --> 00:38:48,560 don't typically I mean, I'm not like envisioning it in this big concrete 439 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:55,599 block that has to be moved by an excavator. It just seems sort of 440 00:38:52,480 --> 00:39:00,079 like a heavy installation to me for something like this. But like I said, 441 00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:04,800 I'm not an engineer. I'm hearing the the the point of making it so heavy is that 442 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:09,280 so it can't be moved or so that nobody can tamper with it. Is that accurate? 443 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:13,839 » Yeah. So, I mean, it's it's not so heavy that it can't be moved um by heavy 444 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:16,960 equipment, but it's too heavy to basically if someone leans up again, 445 00:39:15,119 --> 00:39:21,359 it's not going to fall over. It'll weather better this way. Um and that was 446 00:39:19,359 --> 00:39:24,720 the intent. It's like what's going to be something that's going to be the least 447 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:29,200 amount of maintenance. It's going to hold up to the weather as best is not 448 00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:32,000 going to be, you know, if someone tries to knock it over. It's going to it's 449 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:35,760 going to be pretty difficult. You'd have to have several people pushing on it to 450 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:40,160 knock it over. Um but still be able to move it uh in case it's in the way of a 451 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:43,200 future development of the park. So, >> okay, that makes sense. 452 00:39:41,119 --> 00:39:47,280 » That was our compromise. >> And what about the maintenance of the 453 00:39:45,119 --> 00:39:53,440 plaque itself? if there's tagging or there's um I I 454 00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:56,000 doubt that somebody could remove that from 455 00:39:54,320 --> 00:40:00,960 » it's pretty similar but in fact it's identical to what you have on prom all 456 00:39:57,839 --> 00:40:07,040 along all the along each light post you have brass plaque or bronze plaque 457 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:10,000 exactly the same >> even the Louiswis and Clark statue is 458 00:40:09,119 --> 00:40:13,839 » yeah so I mean >> it's no different than that so if 459 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:17,119 somebody were to tag it you can use acetone on it and it's not going to 460 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:21,440 degrade the brass for the bronze on it and it's raised 461 00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:24,400 lettering. So, >> good 462 00:40:22,240 --> 00:40:28,240 » with a with a rough background. The photograph is the only thing that might 463 00:40:26,720 --> 00:40:34,680 take some special >> is that sealing? It's sealed already. 464 00:40:31,119 --> 00:40:34,680 » I haven't tried estim 465 00:40:35,839 --> 00:40:41,040 use a Q-tip because alcohol works better. 466 00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:43,839 » Touch it till it's tagged. >> Huh? 467 00:40:41,839 --> 00:40:47,680 » I can touch it till it's tagged. It's tagged. That's right. We can replace it. 468 00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:53,200 » You could replace Yeah, you can replace that. 469 00:40:49,839 --> 00:40:59,599 » Keep the photo. >> It's a lovely project. 470 00:40:55,359 --> 00:41:04,880 » We do or have in the past anyway. refinished some of the plaques around 471 00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:12,000 town. The one at the turnaround, for instance, for our uh for the prom was 472 00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:15,359 redone. The one out here was redone by public works a number of years ago. 473 00:41:13,839 --> 00:41:20,640 There was I don't remember which guy it was, but one of them knew how to do 474 00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:25,200 that. And they clean up really well. Of course, you know, it probably been there 475 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:29,960 for 20 years, so it's possible. Very doable. 476 00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:36,079 Well, Neil Maine did a lot for the community. I think it's definitely 477 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:39,040 deserved. So, I applaud you for making that effort. 478 00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:44,720 » Yeah, we had a lot of people. They wanted to name the park Neil M. He just 479 00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:48,079 said, "No, that's not our job." >> Easiest, 480 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:52,160 » but that difficult part. >> We thought the easy ask was a plaque. 481 00:41:50,643 --> 00:41:54,640 [laughter] >> Yes. 482 00:41:52,720 --> 00:42:00,240 » Well, and we don't have an official name for the park. Not yet. 483 00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:03,520 » Let's put that on the list. >> It is. 484 00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:06,160 » Okay. >> Thank you guys for 485 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:09,400 » Thanks. >> Thank you. 486 00:42:14,079 --> 00:42:19,720 » Anything else you want to discuss that's on tonight's agenda? 487 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:32,720 Just a reminder that we are going into executive session 488 00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:37,520 » to discuss Spencer's review. Uh anything that's done or said in there will stay 489 00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:43,599 in there. It doesn't come back here at the end. I've written up a 490 00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:51,680 general statement that I'll read assuming you guys agree to the 491 00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:56,720 um we will discuss any changes to his salary or 492 00:42:54,079 --> 00:43:01,240 any of the benefits and we do have a option to discuss there. 493 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:09,839 » This is all standard. This is how we do it every year. 494 00:43:07,599 --> 00:43:14,440 Is this what it is? I'm trying to 495 01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:19,880 Call the city council meeting to order for July 27th. Please rise for the 496 01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:19,880 pledge of allegiance. 497 01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:31,119 To the flag of the United States of America and to 498 01:03:27,839 --> 01:03:34,359 » nation under Gody and justice 499 01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:46,440 » again. Please call the role. 500 01:03:47,039 --> 01:03:50,280 » Thank you. 501 01:03:53,680 --> 01:04:01,680 R. Montero here. Coun. >> Oh, excuse me. Councelor R. Monontto 502 01:03:59,920 --> 01:04:04,079 » still here. >> Councelor Baker 503 01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:06,960 » here. >> Council President Morsy 504 01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:09,760 » here. >> Mayor Wright 505 01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:13,920 » here. >> Councelor T. Monttero 506 01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:16,319 » present. >> Councelor Ansbro 507 01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:21,680 » here. You >> guys are throwing me a loop. N 508 01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:24,240 » all all present and accounted for. I have a motion for approval of our agenda 509 01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:26,480 for tonight. >> So moved. 510 01:04:25,119 --> 01:04:30,079 » Second. >> Council President Morrisy, Councelor 511 01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:34,720 Baker. All those in favor say I. >> I. I. 512 01:04:31,119 --> 01:04:38,960 » Any opposed? Motion carries. No proclamations tonight. Public 513 01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:46,000 comments. Do we have anybody signed up in audience 514 01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:49,520 for public comments? We have one person in Zoom. 515 01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:55,520 didn't didn't make it. Okay, >> she made it. 516 01:04:52,000 --> 01:05:00,720 » We had some um file written comments. They'll be in the minutes. 517 01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:06,240 Any counselor wish to declare a potential conflict of interest? 518 01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:12,920 » Just noting that uh Bill Montero of the parks advisory board is my husband. 519 01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:12,920 » Thank you. 520 01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:19,119 » I have a motion for approval of the consent agenda. I would move to approve 521 01:05:17,119 --> 01:05:22,240 the consent agenda. >> A second. 522 01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:25,359 » Council President Morsy, Councelor Baker. All those in favor say I. 523 01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:31,200 » I. >> Any opposed? Motion carries, 524 01:05:29,039 --> 01:05:36,480 but it's nice when we can just write through. No reports and presentations 525 01:05:33,839 --> 01:05:41,920 tonight. Uh, city of Seaside Boards, City Council commissions and committees. 526 01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:48,079 We still have a vacancy on airport advisory one, community center 527 01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:53,520 commission two, planning commission one, transportation advisory commission one, 528 01:05:50,559 --> 01:06:00,160 city tree board two, and city council ward three. A reminder, W three remains 529 01:05:57,280 --> 01:06:09,440 open until we appoint somebody could remain open until um the election of 530 01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:15,880 2028 unless somebody decides to step up. Anybody that we do appoint will remain 531 01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:15,880 in office until then. 532 01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:26,640 Unfinished business. Ordinance 2026-06 regarding 533 01:06:23,359 --> 01:06:32,200 amending chapter 31 to establish uh general provisions for boards, 534 01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:32,200 commissions, and committees. 535 01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:41,119 We had this on the agenda before. Spencer, you got a quick update for us? 536 01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:46,559 » Yeah. So, this will cover the changes that the council discussed and wanted 537 01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:54,079 implemented uh since the last meeting. The first was to clarify membership and 538 01:06:49,039 --> 01:06:59,520 terms. So, um you can now serve on up to two committees. Um the and there was 539 01:06:57,680 --> 01:07:04,640 some discussion of ordinance versus policies. The ordinance says you're done 540 01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:09,200 at the end of your term. The policy may allow someone to stay on until they're 541 01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:14,319 reappointed, but that's not contained in the ordinance, which was believe my 542 01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:18,799 understanding of the direction. And then uh their temporary service is 543 01:07:16,559 --> 01:07:24,160 obviously not a guarantee of uh reappointment. We want to open it up as 544 01:07:21,359 --> 01:07:28,960 much as possible. So recruitment and reappointment. So the city recorder will 545 01:07:26,799 --> 01:07:34,240 uh begin the process at least 60 days before the term is expired. 546 01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:38,720 Um we will basically want to broadcast this out to as many people as possible 547 01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:44,000 including the person who's currently in the role. if they want to continue and 548 01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:49,760 then the city council may consider all applicants including the person if they 549 01:07:46,559 --> 01:07:53,760 choose to be reappointed and they the discussion there has been you know 550 01:07:51,359 --> 01:07:59,440 making sure there's an opportunity for um fresh ideas to come on board. 551 01:07:57,440 --> 01:08:03,280 There are some questions and comments and direction on quorum and 552 01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:08,640 subcommittees. So, we clarified added clarifying language on what's a quorum 553 01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:12,799 that they uh cannot take action unless they're uh officially a quorum and we've 554 01:08:11,039 --> 01:08:17,920 kind of given some examples in there what that would be making any decisions 555 01:08:15,119 --> 01:08:20,880 and whatnot. Um but they could receive updates. I think it's especially 556 01:08:19,759 --> 01:08:25,040 important for our committees where sometimes we're less sure if we will 557 01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:29,359 have a quorum, but for those who do come, we want to recognize their efforts 558 01:08:27,199 --> 01:08:34,319 to come and at least have a meaningful discussion or an update if we can. And 559 01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:39,040 then subcommittees, we add the language to say that the the committees cannot 560 01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:42,880 create any permanent or standing subcommittees without first coming 561 01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:48,159 through to the city council. And then one I think the the provision there we 562 01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:52,080 want to be careful of is off the committee work takes considerable staff 563 01:08:50,319 --> 01:08:57,040 time and resources and we want to make sure that we are not multiplying that 564 01:08:54,560 --> 01:09:01,440 and so there will be a review process as to whether staff can accommodate that 565 01:08:58,799 --> 01:09:06,880 whether staff needed and maybe any other considerations. 566 01:09:04,159 --> 01:09:11,440 Those are all the changes uh that were requested to go with the after the first 567 01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:18,640 reading. And so here's the requested action and an optional third reading and 568 01:09:14,480 --> 01:09:23,279 adoption if you choose tonight. Okay, I'll uh open the floor to anybody 569 01:09:21,359 --> 01:09:26,279 from the public that wants to make any comments 570 01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:33,520 seeing none counselors any comments? >> I don't have any comments. 571 01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:38,560 » I'd be interested in knowing if um anybody from any of the committees has 572 01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:41,679 given us any input. I've not received any feedback from the committees. 573 01:09:40,319 --> 01:09:47,520 » Okay. [snorts] >> And then there's one thing um where 574 01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:53,120 attendance at the at a virtual uh attendance at a meeting can be virtual 575 01:09:50,239 --> 01:09:59,520 and I think um we talked about it last time as well. Um 576 01:09:56,320 --> 01:10:06,560 it did not follow the same rules of the council where if we attend virtually we 577 01:10:04,159 --> 01:10:10,480 must be visible at the meeting. I believe I sorry I should have put that 578 01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:13,840 on here. I believe I updated language to include the phrase with camera on or 579 01:10:12,480 --> 01:10:16,960 something like that. Uh >> didn't see that 580 01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:21,000 » to make it in compliance with the electronic meetings policy. 581 01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:33,600 » Um yeah, >> I didn't see that. Um the other is um on 582 01:10:30,480 --> 01:10:40,159 the section that if a member's term expires and nobody's been appointed yet 583 01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:45,120 um you said the vacant they can serve 584 01:10:42,159 --> 01:10:51,199 temporarily until the vacancy is filled if they're willing to continue serving. 585 01:10:47,440 --> 01:10:59,520 Is there any time limit on that? >> No. That would be um the council can 586 01:10:56,640 --> 01:11:02,239 make a decision at that point. I think trying to keep uh options open 587 01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:05,520 for the council, >> right? Trying to leave us as much 588 01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:09,360 flexibility as possible. >> And that's in policy. 589 01:11:08,239 --> 01:11:11,920 » That's what I'm reading. >> Right. It's in policy, not ordinance. 590 01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:16,960 » Yeah. >> Yeah. And that's Yeah. It doesn't say 591 01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:22,239 there's any time limit. So if it takes us 6 months or a year, that person can 592 01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:26,080 continue to sit on a temporary basis. Is that intent? 593 01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:30,000 » Well, if if they want to as well. I mean, if they're not signing up again, 594 01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:31,679 they probably won't want to go that long. 595 01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:35,760 » Okay. >> So, um, councelor Mont leaves in our 596 01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:43,600 hands. Yeah. See, um, page 46 of your packets 597 01:11:41,440 --> 01:11:49,920 in the, uh, in the policy, 598 01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:54,719 let's see, second paragraph on page, sorry, page 599 01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:57,280 45, second paragraph. To be counted as present while 600 01:11:56,080 --> 01:12:00,239 participating electronically, a committee member must be able to hear 601 01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:04,480 the meeting, be heard by others, participate in discussion, be identified 602 01:12:02,719 --> 01:12:10,159 for attendance and voting purposes, and keep members camera on during the 603 01:12:06,480 --> 01:12:14,000 meeting unless otherwise allowed by law, the city the city council's electronic 604 01:12:12,239 --> 01:12:17,920 meetings policy or an approved accommodation. 605 01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:22,880 » So, keeping the camera on is different from being visible. 606 01:12:20,480 --> 01:12:27,679 I could keep the camera on and you don't see me. So I might not be 607 01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:30,480 » Do you want to suggest an amendment to the language? 608 01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:34,640 » I think that what we've got for counselors 609 01:12:32,239 --> 01:12:37,679 I does the council one say just keep the camera on. 610 01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:41,199 » I'm guessing this is that language but I can look at 611 01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:49,920 » okay >> I just think it should be equal. Um, 612 01:12:44,719 --> 01:12:53,760 also on page 39 under reappointments, um, you said, 613 01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:59,440 "A [clears throat] member seeking reappoint is not required to complete a 614 01:12:56,480 --> 01:13:05,199 full new application unless requested by the city council, city recorder, or city 615 01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:12,719 manager." Um, you know, I think that starts to get um somewhat unfair because 616 01:13:10,239 --> 01:13:18,080 that means that one person asking for reappoint might not be asked to fill out 617 01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:24,880 an application while another one might be asked and um uh it starts to look 618 01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:30,960 kind of judgmental against that incumbent. I think everybody should be 619 01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:36,800 doing the same thing and you could add to an application 620 01:13:33,679 --> 01:13:41,120 um a space for any kind of comments that a new applicant or an incumbent 621 01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:48,239 applicant might want to say about what they're doing. I know that later on you 622 01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:52,640 do have uh that the council may reappoint and they may consider 623 01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:58,560 attendance, participation, preparation, conduct, etc. 624 01:13:54,719 --> 01:14:03,600 Um, I just I just think that saying we don't have to ask for this, but maybe 625 01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:11,040 we will and it kind of ends up depending on who that person is. And so I kind of 626 01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:14,239 I would like to see it be the same for everybody. 627 01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:18,880 » So I will say I don't think staff has any plans or I can't envision a time 628 01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:22,640 when we would request it on our own. It would be somehow at the council's 629 01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:28,640 direction. So, if you want to remove that language, that's fine. The um the 630 01:14:26,719 --> 01:14:32,239 question about whether or not they should fill out full application was 631 01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:37,840 something the council discussed last time and the direction we received from 632 01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:43,840 the majority was we didn't want a full application again. Um, but again, just 633 01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:49,120 putting in some flexibility in case there are circumstances where where it 634 01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:53,360 makes sense, but I I can't see any reason why staff would initiate it if 635 01:14:51,440 --> 01:14:57,040 council hasn't. Um, maybe there could be a time and that's why there's some 636 01:14:54,480 --> 01:15:01,760 flexibility. So, I'd be fine if you left it in or removed the city manager and 637 01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:07,120 city recorder. The only thing I could see would be if our application had 638 01:15:05,199 --> 01:15:11,760 changed and so there was just some information that we wanted from them so 639 01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:15,600 that we had it on file that we didn't currently have or something. But 640 01:15:13,040 --> 01:15:18,880 otherwise, I can't see us initiating that. 641 01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:23,840 » And and my comment isn't about staff requesting it. So, I'm going to share a 642 01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:29,760 story. This is back in about 2005. 643 01:15:27,440 --> 01:15:34,560 I sat on what was then called the advertising committee. I had sat on that 644 01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:42,880 committee, attended every meeting, been very active uh for three years. 645 01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:50,000 I I'll say it really nicely ticked off a few members of the council 646 01:15:46,719 --> 01:15:56,719 who for the first time ever asked that a someone who wanted to be 647 01:15:53,760 --> 01:16:04,320 reappointed made me do the application and made me do the um the interview. 648 01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:09,600 They never asked anybody else. There was nobody else who wanted the position. I 649 01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:12,600 don't ever want anybody going through that. 650 01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:31,080 That's why I am so committed to you do it the same for everybody 651 01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:31,080 because it should not be political. 652 01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:44,960 I'm not really [clears throat] as concerned of what the process is. I just 653 01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:49,040 don't want to have to see folks fill out a new application that are already 654 01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:55,520 serving because we already have such a challenge of getting volunteers. But 655 01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:58,640 whether it's a email to Kim or a written confirmation or a phone call, I mean, I 656 01:16:57,520 --> 01:17:01,840 don't really have strong feelings about what that process is. I just know that 657 01:17:00,239 --> 01:17:07,920 it should be simple if someone's already been approved and is already serving. 658 01:17:05,199 --> 01:17:11,360 I I agree. I I think it's the second sentence in the [clears throat] 659 01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:18,320 paragraph that's important. The city may use a simplified written confirmation or 660 01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:22,000 reappoint form. So, >> well, because you've already got the 661 01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:29,199 original application on file, >> right? But this is four years later and 662 01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:34,400 we don't know if that person I hopefully the committees will be giving the 663 01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:39,679 reports. Did that person participate? Did they attend the meetings? 664 01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:45,440 And that kind of thing. Reappoint shouldn't be automatic. 665 01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:50,120 It should be based on whether or not people fulfill the commitment they made. 666 01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:58,640 And doesn't the uh the committee chair uh give a report as to what's going on 667 01:17:57,440 --> 01:18:01,120 anyway? >> The leazison. 668 01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:04,080 » That's what we're hoping for. the layers on. 669 01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:06,960 » This is just one small piece in that. >> Yeah. 670 01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:13,280 » As we move forward, >> I think what you just said is different 671 01:18:10,719 --> 01:18:19,480 than the process for reappointment in this paragraph. So, I'm not quite 672 01:18:16,480 --> 01:18:19,480 understanding. 673 01:18:20,159 --> 01:18:27,920 Well, the next paragraph or two paragraphs down, it does say the council 674 01:18:25,360 --> 01:18:32,480 may consider attendance, participation, preparation, conduct, relevant 675 01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:36,960 experience, committee needs, the annual report and work plan, the value of 676 01:18:34,719 --> 01:18:41,080 continuity, and the value of providing opportunities for new applicants. 677 01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:50,520 And how do you consider that if the person hasn't if all the person has said 678 01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:50,520 is I want to stay? 679 01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:59,280 I think there is a difference between uh staff 680 01:18:57,199 --> 01:19:04,960 uh andor the committee providing information like a report to go with 681 01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:10,159 someone who's interested in being reappointed and them filling out an 682 01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:16,320 application. I think those are two different issues. So, one is are you 683 01:19:13,280 --> 01:19:21,440 interested? Yes, we can pass that along. And as we're passing it along, here's 684 01:19:18,480 --> 01:19:26,159 the feedback from the chair or here's their attendance record or whatever we 685 01:19:23,199 --> 01:19:28,880 decide and you decide is helpful for you to make that decision. We can provide 686 01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:34,600 that, but that's not something that would come from the person serving in 687 01:19:31,440 --> 01:19:34,600 that role. 688 01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:48,320 I'm okay with the way it's stated right now. The um it leaves as much 689 01:19:44,480 --> 01:19:57,120 flexibility as we want and it's going to be our decision in the long run. Um 690 01:19:53,120 --> 01:20:02,880 hopefully everybody uh pays attention and doesn't make it a personal thing. 691 01:20:00,239 --> 01:20:10,640 But you know, we can't stop that from happening by changing some language. Our 692 01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:15,040 application is not really that useful because it just has data. It doesn't 693 01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:20,239 tell us anything about the person. That's why we interview them. And one of 694 01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:24,880 the things I'm looking forward to is getting that annual report and working 695 01:20:22,560 --> 01:20:31,040 with the committees so that we can say, "Okay, here's what we agree with you on 696 01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:38,320 going forward. what happens next year and then um reviewing that and going 697 01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:43,520 forward we end up with a much more efficient way of all of our boards and 698 01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:48,719 committees working with the council and doing the council's work. 699 01:20:46,480 --> 01:20:53,920 There is plenty of flexibility there now. Um and the things that we're 700 01:20:51,679 --> 01:20:58,080 considering remployment basically none of those are on the 701 01:20:55,920 --> 01:21:03,679 application. Those are all going to be things that we find out from the annual 702 01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:10,719 report and you know who's doing the work. It puts a lot more work on 703 01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:17,199 committee chairs making sure that people are showing up and recording when 704 01:21:13,199 --> 01:21:22,239 they're not or why they're not. So, um we're going to depend on them uh 705 01:21:19,520 --> 01:21:26,000 significantly and 706 01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:30,000 » but the committee chairs change. It's not always the same person. Not for the 707 01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:36,480 four years. >> Doesn't have to be. They have a job 708 01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:39,280 described in the uh the documents. And it shouldn't matter who that chair 709 01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:46,400 is. >> And who will be making sure that that 710 01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:51,600 job is done? right now 711 01:21:49,520 --> 01:21:54,600 » if we don't get the report. >> Okay. 712 01:21:59,679 --> 01:22:03,239 » Any other comments, 713 01:22:03,280 --> 01:22:07,760 » mayor? >> Yeah, 714 01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:11,920 » just circle back. I pulled up the um the city council's adopted electronic 715 01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:15,600 meetings policy and it does mirror that language. It says members of boards, 716 01:22:14,159 --> 01:22:18,960 commissions, committees or councils who wish to participate in electronic 717 01:22:17,040 --> 01:22:24,880 meetings must keep their video on during the meeting to be considered present. So 718 01:22:21,440 --> 01:22:28,159 I think the intent was that they are uh I think the intent was to avoid a 719 01:22:26,719 --> 01:22:32,719 situation where I'm sure many of you have been in a virtual meeting. Yeah. 720 01:22:30,639 --> 01:22:38,159 Where some people choose to just keep their camera off to participate. I think 721 01:22:34,719 --> 01:22:43,199 that was the point is to avoid that. We have not had an issue to my knowledge of 722 01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:46,639 people having their camera on but pointed somewhere else. If that becomes 723 01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:50,960 an issue, we can certainly bring it up. It is in the policy. That's much easier 724 01:22:49,040 --> 01:22:58,960 to change than the ordinance. And the policy is not what's up for adoption 725 01:22:52,880 --> 01:23:05,199 tonight. It goes with it. Um I think um if the council uh does a second reading 726 01:23:02,080 --> 01:23:11,440 tonight, we'd probably bring back the uh policy at the next meeting to adopt with 727 01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:16,320 the adoption of the ordinance. Or if you choose if the council chooses to do a 728 01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:22,639 third reading and adoption tonight, there's always a 30-day um period until 729 01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:27,600 the ordinance goes into effect. So, we would bring back the policy at the next 730 01:23:24,719 --> 01:23:31,600 meeting to go into effect at the same time as the ordinance. So, um but again, 731 01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:35,600 just going back to the policy, it's easier to change. 732 01:23:33,520 --> 01:23:41,600 » You indicated that we haven't had any input from any of the um committees. I'm 733 01:23:39,280 --> 01:23:46,560 not sure which of the committees have had the opportunity to view this and 734 01:23:44,320 --> 01:23:53,040 talk about it at one of their meetings. Um I know for both of my committees they 735 01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:58,239 have not had that opportunity yet. >> The um 736 01:23:55,760 --> 01:24:02,080 there not we have not changed very much in the year and a half since the first 737 01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:06,960 draft was put together. Recently it's been more 738 01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:12,000 um procedural in splitting it up between ordinance and policy but the bones of it 739 01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:16,960 are essentially the same. And um there was a request put out to the u each of 740 01:24:15,280 --> 01:24:22,639 the committees at that time with a copy of that proposal and everyone right away 741 01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:27,520 started working on or looking at discussing their own personal committee 742 01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:32,400 stuff and did not provide any feedback on the overarching policy and I think in 743 01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:39,679 the discussions I've had with the staff liaison people are generally in favor of 744 01:24:37,679 --> 01:24:43,360 one overarching uh ordinance 745 01:24:41,440 --> 01:24:50,239 and then specific things for their individual um committees. Um but uh like 746 01:24:47,840 --> 01:24:54,159 I said that we did reach out and there just wasn't any 747 01:24:52,400 --> 01:24:57,719 that wasn't the topic they wanted to talk about. So 748 01:25:01,920 --> 01:25:09,360 » Okay. May I have a motion? I move for a second reading of ordinance number 749 01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:16,000 2026-06 by title only. I'll second. It's 750 01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:17,760 » council Baker. Councelor R. Montero. All those in favor say I. 751 01:25:17,440 --> 01:25:23,800 » I. >> I. Any opposed? Motion carries. Spencer. 752 01:25:25,280 --> 01:25:32,080 » Ordinance number 2026-06. an ordinance of the city of Seaside, 753 01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:36,480 Oregon, amending chapter 31 of the Seaside Code of Ordinances to establish 754 01:25:34,480 --> 01:25:42,560 general provisions governing city boards, commissions, and committees. 755 01:25:39,360 --> 01:25:49,520 » Thank you. So, we'll discuss the uh third reading 756 01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:54,159 on uh our next meeting. New business, consideration of the parks advisory 757 01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:59,199 committee estuary plaque proposal. We had that um during our work session. I 758 01:25:56,800 --> 01:26:06,679 think we understand what's going on. Anything you want to add, Spencer? 759 01:26:02,080 --> 01:26:06,679 » No, I think that's it. 760 01:26:07,520 --> 01:26:12,360 » Any further comments from the council? 761 01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:19,480 I don't know if we have a proposed We have proposed motion. 762 01:26:20,159 --> 01:26:30,360 Can um Is Paul still here? Hey. Hey, Paul. I 763 01:26:26,159 --> 01:26:30,360 got a question for you. Um, 764 01:26:31,040 --> 01:26:39,199 and I I got it confused between the pedestal and the uh boulder. What What 765 01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:43,040 is the weight difference between the pedestal and and the boulder? 766 01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:50,400 » Uh, boulder is variable, but it would be probably somewhere between 3500 lb and 767 01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:55,280 5,000 lb. Whereas the pedestal is about 2,700 lb. 768 01:26:51,520 --> 01:27:00,320 » Okay. 2700 lb. Okay, cool. And um is there going to just out of curiosity I 769 01:26:57,520 --> 01:27:06,560 know that the footprint on that is >> the base is 2 feet by 2 feet. 770 01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:10,080 » Okay. And um no worry about that sinking down or having an impact on the uh 771 01:27:08,880 --> 01:27:14,080 environment? >> No. What we'll do is we'll dig a hole 772 01:27:12,480 --> 01:27:18,560 and we'll put some gravel in there and compact it to give it a good subbase and 773 01:27:16,719 --> 01:27:22,080 then it'll sit upon that and it should distribute the load pretty well. 774 01:27:19,840 --> 01:27:28,320 » Make a foundation. Yeah. Okay. >> Thank you. That's what I had. 775 01:27:24,800 --> 01:27:33,360 » Where is that new business? >> Anybody else? 776 01:27:30,480 --> 01:27:39,600 Um I see that one. Oh, do you have something else? I saw um that one person 777 01:27:37,360 --> 01:27:44,000 in the audience wants to make a comment. We did not list uh public comments, but 778 01:27:42,400 --> 01:27:49,360 we generally allowed. Is that okay with the council? Okay. Step forward. 779 01:27:47,199 --> 01:27:55,760 » Thanks, Paul. My question. >> Oh, okay. No question. 780 01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:59,360 I think this is a great way to honor Neil Maine's legacy. So, I would move 781 01:27:57,440 --> 01:28:02,880 that we'd approve the monument at Echuary Park. 782 01:28:01,440 --> 01:28:08,239 » I'll second. It's >> Council President Morrisy and Councelor 783 01:28:05,760 --> 01:28:10,960 Armono. Okay. 784 01:28:09,440 --> 01:28:15,440 » All those in favor say I. >> I. 785 01:28:11,360 --> 01:28:21,760 » I. Any opposed? Motion carries. So there will be an event assuming that 786 01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:29,360 it can get done by August 11th, right? No problem. Okay. So um August 11th at 787 01:28:27,120 --> 01:28:32,360 1:00 at Estuary Park. You're all invited. 788 01:28:34,159 --> 01:28:43,800 Thanks to the parks committee and uh for what you've done so far on that and 789 01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:43,800 we'll see you at the event. 790 01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:58,159 Next up's the liquor license application limited on premises sales license. Uh we 791 01:28:55,120 --> 01:29:04,520 got uh owner here. You want to come forward, introduce yourself, tell us a 792 01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:04,520 little about your business. 793 01:29:06,719 --> 01:29:18,960 » Hi. Uh my name is Mario Garcia and uh I have a seven years opened small business 794 01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:24,000 in a south uh 800 South Reserve belt. >> And you're located just north of the 795 01:29:22,400 --> 01:29:27,040 like the Shell station, right? >> Yes. 796 01:29:24,639 --> 01:29:31,080 » Okay. Any questions from the council? 797 01:29:32,400 --> 01:29:40,560 » No questions. No. >> All right. Can I have a uh motion? 798 01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:44,880 » Looks like Seaside Police Department reviewed the liquor license application 799 01:29:42,239 --> 01:29:49,760 and did not discover any disqualifying information. So, I would move to approve 800 01:29:47,040 --> 01:29:54,639 the liquor license application for Tequira 801 01:29:51,440 --> 01:30:00,080 El Tarasco LC. >> I second Elasco. 802 01:29:57,440 --> 01:30:04,639 » Okay, Council President, Council President Morrisy and Councelor 803 01:30:01,520 --> 01:30:09,520 Hanssboro. Any further discussion? All those in favor say I. I. 804 01:30:06,560 --> 01:30:14,360 » I. Any opposed? Motion carries. Congratulations. 805 01:30:11,199 --> 01:30:14,360 » Thank you. 806 01:30:15,360 --> 01:30:24,000 » Next up item about library intergovernmental 807 01:30:20,560 --> 01:30:29,760 agreement. We have our library director Jennifer here. 808 01:30:27,440 --> 01:30:34,400 Yep. Welcome. tell us all about 809 01:30:33,280 --> 01:30:40,800 what we're doing here. >> Uh this is basically Is that working? 810 01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:45,920 Okay. Um basically just a restatement of uh an agreement that we've had uh in the 811 01:30:43,360 --> 01:30:50,639 past. Uh we took the opportunity to clean up some of the language and just 812 01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:55,360 reinforce that all of those things were still happening is uh the agreement 813 01:30:52,719 --> 01:31:00,719 between the three cities uh to provide the library services. 814 01:30:57,520 --> 01:31:05,520 Uh we also um took the opportunity to remove the termination date or the term 815 01:31:03,440 --> 01:31:10,800 limit on it. Uh in the past it had been either for three years or five years. Uh 816 01:31:07,920 --> 01:31:15,239 this way you don't have to come back in 5 years and have me do this again. 817 01:31:16,480 --> 01:31:21,840 » That's it. >> That's pretty much it. Um I included in 818 01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:28,400 the packet uh information you the background of how uh this uh evolved 819 01:31:24,880 --> 01:31:34,320 from uh just sort of uh librarians driving books around in between the 820 01:31:31,600 --> 01:31:40,880 different locations to establishing a courier uh system and then uh joining 821 01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:46,639 forces to share a library catalog. And uh that's really where um the all of 822 01:31:43,120 --> 01:31:52,800 that information um all of this allows us to be able to provide that service um 823 01:31:50,000 --> 01:32:00,920 with the expectations that all three uh libraries will maintain their 824 01:31:55,440 --> 01:32:00,920 collections and um be good partners. 825 01:32:02,880 --> 01:32:12,639 » I only had uh one question uh on item 12 on notices. Um, it said, um, any notices 826 01:32:10,400 --> 01:32:16,960 under this go to the library director or designated representative. I mean, it be 827 01:32:14,960 --> 01:32:21,040 obvious to you. I just thought it probably be a good idea to have a copy 828 01:32:18,560 --> 01:32:23,920 go to the city manager as well since it's a intergovernmental agreement. 829 01:32:23,120 --> 01:32:29,480 » Mhm. >> So, I'd ask for a slight change there. 830 01:32:31,840 --> 01:32:39,520 » I noticed Clatup County was involved. What is their connection to all this? So 831 01:32:36,639 --> 01:32:46,239 they um generously fund the libraries rock program. Uh so we receive uh a 832 01:32:43,280 --> 01:32:51,760 chunk of money for for that program. And so it's just sort of the continuation of 833 01:32:48,639 --> 01:32:57,360 having the support for that program um and providing library services and 834 01:32:54,639 --> 01:33:00,360 materials to all children in ClassUp County. 835 01:33:00,639 --> 01:33:09,520 Mayor, in my orientation uh at the library, Director Reading 836 01:33:06,960 --> 01:33:13,840 really offers a slick operation behind the scenes. I mean, those those books 837 01:33:12,080 --> 01:33:20,159 are going out, those books are coming in, and it's a wonderful, wonderful 838 01:33:17,199 --> 01:33:22,960 service for anybody who's a part of it. And thank you. I 839 01:33:21,520 --> 01:33:27,360 » think it's always a surprise, I think, to folks when they come and they they 840 01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:30,880 say, "Well, I have a card at Atoria." I said, "Well, yeah, they [laughter] could 841 01:33:28,719 --> 01:33:34,560 you can use the library here, check out materials. We can move them around. 842 01:33:33,120 --> 01:33:38,400 » It's wonderful. >> It's a nice feature." 843 01:33:36,560 --> 01:33:40,719 » And of course, it's worth the drive for them to come because we had the best 844 01:33:40,080 --> 01:33:43,040 library. >> That's right. [laughter] 845 01:33:42,480 --> 01:33:47,880 » Sure. >> I wanted you to be on the record for 846 01:33:44,639 --> 01:33:47,880 saying that. [laughter] 847 01:33:48,239 --> 01:33:55,760 » Well, the other thing I'm, you know, I'm always thinking money. Um, Atoria pays 848 01:33:52,639 --> 01:34:00,800 for their library operating out of their budget, but they had to get a levy to 849 01:33:58,320 --> 01:34:05,360 actually do their new building. >> It doesn't 850 01:34:01,679 --> 01:34:11,440 » um Seaside's entirely city paid. Warrington uh needs a property tax levy 851 01:34:08,080 --> 01:34:16,239 and it's been questionable on and off and obviously the county has no library, 852 01:34:13,600 --> 01:34:21,600 but it's great that they support uh your group. So, of course, we have the best 853 01:34:18,880 --> 01:34:27,040 library. Any other comments or questions? 854 01:34:24,239 --> 01:34:29,440 » I like that you all work together >> up and down the North Coast. I think 855 01:34:28,639 --> 01:34:33,199 that's great. >> Yeah, it's it's really it's a nice 856 01:34:31,120 --> 01:34:37,920 opportunity. And I'll share, you know, people always ask why isn't Canon Beach 857 01:34:35,360 --> 01:34:41,600 part of it. Canon Beach isn't um a public library because it doesn't 858 01:34:39,440 --> 01:34:46,239 receive any public funding. So, it is is a private library. 859 01:34:43,360 --> 01:34:49,960 » So, otherwise um they would be we would bring them into the fold. 860 01:34:51,600 --> 01:34:58,400 Can I move it make the motion? Ready for it? 861 01:34:56,800 --> 01:35:03,920 » I think so. Anybody? >> I move to authorize the city manager to 862 01:35:01,520 --> 01:35:09,440 execute the intergovernmental agreement for cooperative library services subject 863 01:35:06,800 --> 01:35:12,480 to any changes deemed necessary or appropriate by the city manager or city 864 01:35:11,760 --> 01:35:16,480 attorney. >> I second that. 865 01:35:13,920 --> 01:35:21,600 » It's councelor T. Monttero and councelor Ansro. Any further discussion? All those 866 01:35:19,920 --> 01:35:24,800 in favor say I. >> I. 867 01:35:22,239 --> 01:35:25,920 » Any opposed? Motion carries. >> Thank you. 868 01:35:25,280 --> 01:35:29,080 » Thank you. >> Thank you. 869 01:35:33,199 --> 01:35:37,400 » Wow. We're moving right along. 870 01:35:37,440 --> 01:35:43,280 Okay, this is going to be a tough one. 871 01:35:43,120 --> 01:35:46,520 Come >> on up. 872 01:35:48,639 --> 01:35:56,719 It's not often you have a question about buying something where the the 873 01:35:54,560 --> 01:35:59,440 department brings the money to buy it with you them. [laughter] 874 01:35:58,960 --> 01:36:03,760 » Well, >> division chief, please tell us what 875 01:36:01,760 --> 01:36:07,840 you're asking for and why. >> Uh so, good evening, council. Appreciate 876 01:36:05,679 --> 01:36:12,320 you guys. For those that don't know me, I'm the EMS chief for Seaside Fire and 877 01:36:09,920 --> 01:36:16,639 Rescue. Um we are here I think about a month ago uh with our NDA report talking 878 01:36:14,400 --> 01:36:21,920 about ambulance operations. Um and during that time we uh uh informed you 879 01:36:19,600 --> 01:36:27,280 guys that we'd went after uh two grants. Um they started awarding those on July 880 01:36:24,639 --> 01:36:31,840 1st at 8:00 in the morning. But about 7:52 that morning we were told that we 881 01:36:29,280 --> 01:36:38,800 had received one of the grants um to purchase a new ambulance and outfitted. 882 01:36:35,199 --> 01:36:42,880 Um, with that, um, the one we are attempting to get is a bronze select 883 01:36:41,040 --> 01:36:46,400 ambulance. Uh, it's the latest and greatest. It has kind of the gold 884 01:36:44,400 --> 01:36:50,159 standard. Um, and it's through True North out of Hillsboro. They're the 885 01:36:48,480 --> 01:36:56,080 local dealer for that. >> That's great. Um 886 01:36:52,159 --> 01:37:01,040 but with that it uh the in your packet it it talks about the amount of the 887 01:36:57,760 --> 01:37:05,280 ambulance um and which exceeds the uh city manager's authorization to purchase 888 01:37:02,960 --> 01:37:11,040 without city council's approval. Um it's over that $150,000 mark. So um I know 889 01:37:09,440 --> 01:37:14,159 the number for what the cost of the grant was versus the ambulance is 890 01:37:12,480 --> 01:37:18,080 different. I know I've had that question a couple times since we've uh received 891 01:37:15,920 --> 01:37:23,199 word that we got that. Um, just know that that's the purchase price uh listed 892 01:37:21,119 --> 01:37:26,560 there is just for the ambulance itself. It's not a cardiac monitor. It's not a 893 01:37:24,960 --> 01:37:31,760 stair chair. It's not the gurnie, the power loader. All that 894 01:37:29,040 --> 01:37:37,280 » fully fulfills the whole $600,000 that we were awarded. So, 895 01:37:35,199 --> 01:37:39,679 » so will you be able to use the balance for those other things you just 896 01:37:39,119 --> 01:37:45,280 mentioned? >> Yeah. Um when we when we applied for the 897 01:37:42,080 --> 01:37:49,679 grant um we included uh outfitting at all except for the basic medical gear 898 01:37:47,520 --> 01:37:52,159 which we have in stock at the station. Um but it's all for the big purchase 899 01:37:51,360 --> 01:37:54,320 items. >> Great. Outstanding. 900 01:37:53,920 --> 01:38:00,960 » So >> wonderful. 901 01:37:57,199 --> 01:38:04,719 » So it's basically an additional 50% just to outfit the uh 902 01:38:04,000 --> 01:38:06,560 » uh >> close to it. 903 01:38:05,360 --> 01:38:10,400 » It's close. >> I'm not going to lie. Yeah. Um we've 904 01:38:08,639 --> 01:38:15,760 seen a lot of price increases over the last couple years and so 905 01:38:13,840 --> 01:38:19,280 » when do you think we'll be able to put it into operation? 906 01:38:17,040 --> 01:38:22,800 » So um so that was the big that was one of the biggest things is the timeline on 907 01:38:21,119 --> 01:38:28,639 this uh it has to be operational. Everybody trained on it by September 908 01:38:25,280 --> 01:38:34,159 30th of 2027. >> Um the uh the current one that we're 909 01:38:30,960 --> 01:38:38,719 looking at right now is will be built in April of next year and be delivered by 910 01:38:36,480 --> 01:38:41,840 August. Uh it's absolutely the quickest we can get it. 911 01:38:39,840 --> 01:38:47,040 » Um if we went for a custom build, we would be almost two and a half years out 912 01:38:43,360 --> 01:38:51,119 on an ambulance. So um this is what they call a demo unit. It's just kind of a 913 01:38:48,880 --> 01:38:58,560 cookie cutter box. Um but we did have one here and if it's a cookie cutter we 914 01:38:54,400 --> 01:39:04,400 get, I'm okay with that cookie. So >> um so yeah, we would receive it August 915 01:39:00,560 --> 01:39:07,360 1st. Um uh it would be decal painted, everything would be installed and it 916 01:39:05,600 --> 01:39:10,639 would give us about 45 days to get people trained up. Uh it's quite a bit 917 01:39:09,360 --> 01:39:14,400 different than our current one where everything is switches uh in the new one 918 01:39:12,880 --> 01:39:17,760 everything is touchscreen. >> Oh. 919 01:39:14,960 --> 01:39:22,480 » So it's it's a training opportunity. So >> Right. Definitely. 920 01:39:19,679 --> 01:39:25,119 » And um you think the one we've got now is going to last that long? 921 01:39:24,159 --> 01:39:29,679 » Fingers crossed. >> Yeah. Yeah. Um, yeah, it's got, like I 922 01:39:28,480 --> 01:39:35,360 think we talked last month, almost 300,000 miles on it and it's 923 01:39:33,199 --> 01:39:42,960 » 21 years old this year. So, for an ambulance, it's it's seen its days. So, 924 01:39:40,159 --> 01:39:47,479 » you're going to need a bigger garage. >> We could bring that back to city 925 01:39:44,480 --> 01:39:47,479 council, but [laughter] 926 01:39:48,320 --> 01:39:53,280 » there's the catch. >> There it is. 927 01:39:51,280 --> 01:39:57,520 » Grants aren't always the easiest thing to apply for. So, thank you for doing 928 01:39:55,760 --> 01:40:01,199 that on behalf of >> Absolutely. We use this uh program. It's 929 01:39:59,760 --> 01:40:04,480 called Funding Navigator and they helped us write this and back and forth. It 930 01:40:03,280 --> 01:40:08,159 probably took about two months to get this dialed in, but uh they have been a 931 01:40:06,880 --> 01:40:10,080 lifesaver for us. Great. >> So, yeah. 932 01:40:09,600 --> 01:40:13,520 » Wonderful. >> Awesome. 933 01:40:10,880 --> 01:40:17,880 » It's always worth spending money to get a whole lot more money. 934 01:40:14,880 --> 01:40:17,880 » Absolutely. 935 01:40:18,000 --> 01:40:25,040 » Definitely. >> Spencer, anything to add? No, I'm just 936 01:40:22,639 --> 01:40:30,400 This is excellent that we able to get the grant and uh because it's a really 937 01:40:28,560 --> 01:40:37,719 expensive thing for what we're trying to do, but I think this will be a great 938 01:40:32,080 --> 01:40:37,719 service our residents for a long time. 939 01:40:38,560 --> 01:40:46,719 » Any further comments, counselors? If not, I'll take a motion. 940 01:40:43,360 --> 01:40:49,360 » I move to authorize Is this a good time? All right. 941 01:40:47,440 --> 01:40:53,920 » Good. I move to authorize the city manager to execute a purchase agreement 942 01:40:51,440 --> 01:40:58,920 with True North Emergency Equipment for an ambulance in the amount of $416,467 943 01:40:59,760 --> 01:41:07,119 as outlined in the staff report and direct staff to complete any necessary 944 01:41:05,119 --> 01:41:11,280 budget action to recognize the grant revenue and related expenditure. 945 01:41:09,840 --> 01:41:16,480 » I'll second. >> Council Hanssboro and Councelor T. 946 01:41:14,539 --> 01:41:19,600 [clears throat] Montero. Any further discussion? 947 01:41:17,920 --> 01:41:23,040 All those in favor say I. >> I. 948 01:41:20,480 --> 01:41:24,480 » Any opposed? Motion carries. >> Thank you. 949 01:41:23,520 --> 01:41:26,320 » Thank you. >> Thank you. 950 01:41:25,119 --> 01:41:29,360 » Yes. >> Excited. I want to ride in it on in the 951 01:41:28,480 --> 01:41:35,040 front. >> Yeah. [laughter] 952 01:41:30,880 --> 01:41:39,760 » Yeah. We don't want to be in the back. >> Next up, 953 01:41:37,360 --> 01:41:46,560 uh, ordinance 20267, ordinance adding chapter 97, parks and 954 01:41:42,480 --> 01:41:50,320 park facilities to the code. Spencer, any introduction? 955 01:41:48,080 --> 01:41:54,719 » Sure. This came up at a work session last time I think it was in April uh to 956 01:41:53,280 --> 01:42:00,800 get some initial direction from the council and uh we took your initial 957 01:41:58,480 --> 01:42:07,119 thoughts uh and the major policy questions to the parks committee to get 958 01:42:04,080 --> 01:42:12,320 uh their input and discussion. Um, so for our public, uh, just so they 959 01:42:10,080 --> 01:42:16,560 know, we don't, the city has never had a parks ordinance and so 960 01:42:14,719 --> 01:42:19,520 » where that comes, >> we have signs though, 961 01:42:18,159 --> 01:42:24,400 » right? And so if we ever [laughter] want to choose to enforce those signs, 962 01:42:22,480 --> 01:42:29,280 um, which isn't often, we need to have an ordinance. But I will say one of the 963 01:42:26,719 --> 01:42:33,760 areas that we consistently have problems have to do with parking lots in our 964 01:42:31,360 --> 01:42:38,960 parks. Um, we have lots of signs around the city that say no overnight parking. 965 01:42:37,040 --> 01:42:44,000 That's also difficult for a police officer driving by to determine what's 966 01:42:42,239 --> 01:42:49,280 overnight. If they're there from midnight to 3:00 a.m., is that overnight 967 01:42:46,239 --> 01:42:53,920 or it's a there's a lot of ways to argue it. And so, the cleaner thing is you 968 01:42:52,320 --> 01:42:58,159 can't be parking here between these hours. You pull up, you know, if if 969 01:42:56,639 --> 01:43:01,760 right or wrong. And we do, this is the time of year we do see some people 970 01:43:00,239 --> 01:43:06,560 setting up shop >> in estuary parking lot, cove parking lot 971 01:43:04,719 --> 01:43:11,679 and and elsewhere. And so this will help us put up clear signage that is also uh 972 01:43:10,000 --> 01:43:16,320 enforcable. >> Um and so we don't have that. That's why 973 01:43:14,480 --> 01:43:23,199 it's needed. Parks Committee reviewed it and uh 974 01:43:20,400 --> 01:43:27,280 approved or recommended approval of all the major policy issues you had already 975 01:43:25,840 --> 01:43:33,440 addressed and given some initial feedback on. 976 01:43:29,520 --> 01:43:38,320 Um those main uh so main approach here with the ordinance is that we have again 977 01:43:36,159 --> 01:43:44,719 kind of like our committees one baseline ordinance governing everything and then 978 01:43:40,400 --> 01:43:49,679 we can have um park specific rules and whatnot as determined. Generally we want 979 01:43:47,600 --> 01:43:53,520 them to be the consistent throughout the city police officer or anyone else 980 01:43:51,440 --> 01:43:58,639 doesn't have to think what's different about this one. usually be different if 981 01:43:55,760 --> 01:44:04,880 there's a different use of the park and there's good situations for that. 982 01:44:01,840 --> 01:44:11,600 Uh some of the the highlights of this is having our park hours. They're open from 983 01:44:07,040 --> 01:44:15,119 5:00 a.m. to 11:00 p.m. Um parking lots would follow those same parking hours. 984 01:44:13,679 --> 01:44:21,440 And again, we can have different ones for other parking lots. you know, for 985 01:44:17,119 --> 01:44:24,480 example, I don't and uh the what we traditionally call the convention center 986 01:44:22,880 --> 01:44:30,159 parking lot, the downtown parking lot isn't really associated with the park, 987 01:44:26,639 --> 01:44:34,719 but um let's say the one at 12th Avenue is, there might be a good reason why 988 01:44:32,800 --> 01:44:40,239 that one with access to the beach would have different hours. Um, sometimes the 989 01:44:38,639 --> 01:44:44,639 um the clamming 990 01:44:42,159 --> 01:44:49,840 opens up earlier than 5:00 a.m. and people are going out. Um, although other 991 01:44:47,119 --> 01:44:55,199 otherwise downtown parking, there are businesses that are open past 11 p.m. 992 01:44:52,320 --> 01:44:58,880 and we don't want people to not be able to stay because the parking lot's 993 01:44:57,040 --> 01:45:03,600 closed. And so those are some situations where we might have uh different hours. 994 01:45:01,440 --> 01:45:09,679 Um, but otherwise, these are what the hours would be. 995 01:45:06,719 --> 01:45:16,560 Um the recommendation is that we prohibit smoking, vaping, any tobacco 996 01:45:12,880 --> 01:45:21,360 and marijuana use in city parks. Um generally speaking, if there's a need to 997 01:45:18,719 --> 01:45:29,840 specify a designated area that the ordinance does allow us to do that. 998 01:45:25,520 --> 01:45:35,520 Um, dogs must be on leash and uh unless they're in a designated uh area such as 999 01:45:32,000 --> 01:45:42,000 a dog park and uh following public comment, the leash must be under the 1000 01:45:38,960 --> 01:45:46,639 physical control over the handler and then protections in place for service 1001 01:45:43,760 --> 01:45:52,880 animals. Um, we do the ordinance does allow uh 1002 01:45:50,000 --> 01:45:56,880 for event reservations and private res reservations. We don't have that set up. 1003 01:45:54,560 --> 01:46:00,560 Now, this ordinance doesn't necessarily create that, but it creates the 1004 01:45:58,239 --> 01:46:05,360 opportunity if we want to begin having a pavilion 1005 01:46:02,080 --> 01:46:09,840 uh reservation program. We can generally speaking, if there isn't a great need, I 1006 01:46:07,679 --> 01:46:15,119 prefer to do it as a first come, first serve, but things change and this would 1007 01:46:12,000 --> 01:46:19,760 allow us to create a policy for that at a future date. 1008 01:46:17,360 --> 01:46:25,199 Commercial activity, generally speaking, it's prohibited unless you have 1009 01:46:21,760 --> 01:46:29,600 authorization. So, um, authorization could come through a permitted event 1010 01:46:27,360 --> 01:46:32,880 through the city, some sort of license agreement or other permit or something 1011 01:46:31,840 --> 01:46:40,719 like that. [snorts] Um, as an example, um, 1012 01:46:36,800 --> 01:46:44,800 uh, what is a good example? Uh, let's say someone wanted to do a 1013 01:46:42,800 --> 01:46:48,239 yoga class in the park. It's one thing to have a group of people come together 1014 01:46:46,080 --> 01:46:51,679 and do a yoga class. Someone wants to teach a private class in the park, 1015 01:46:50,639 --> 01:46:55,840 that's a different thing. they're running their business. And so if that 1016 01:46:53,840 --> 01:47:02,239 were to come up, we would want there to be uh an approved process. Uh so when we 1017 01:47:00,080 --> 01:47:09,119 do and don't allow, do they have insurance? You know, things like that. 1018 01:47:04,400 --> 01:47:12,480 Uh and so um it's allowed and as those come up, we can either address them 1019 01:47:10,480 --> 01:47:18,400 through our current processes or create new ones if if one hasn't been um 1020 01:47:15,440 --> 01:47:24,960 created. Uh no fireworks allowed in the parks and 1021 01:47:22,159 --> 01:47:28,639 uh based on the feedback from the fire department, they don't want any open 1022 01:47:26,719 --> 01:47:34,679 fires, open flames with the exception of propane grills that are meant 1023 01:47:30,400 --> 01:47:34,679 specifically for that. 1024 01:47:34,880 --> 01:47:40,960 Those are the major changes or not changes, those are the 1025 01:47:39,119 --> 01:47:45,440 major items in here. And so if you're ready, here's the motion for a first and 1026 01:47:43,119 --> 01:47:48,480 an optional second reading. I'm happy to take any questions. 1027 01:47:50,480 --> 01:47:56,159 Council Evansboro, you have any questions? 1028 01:47:54,000 --> 01:48:02,880 » I like the consistency. I like keeping things regular and and so that they're 1029 01:48:00,400 --> 01:48:08,000 right there and there's no real question about uh how to implement these things. 1030 01:48:05,520 --> 01:48:12,719 Um are we going to be changing any of the signs in any of these parking lots 1031 01:48:10,000 --> 01:48:17,360 to reflect these new hours? >> Yeah, for sure. uh the that will we'll 1032 01:48:15,600 --> 01:48:22,400 we'll we've already begun a kind of assigned inventory of what our parks and 1033 01:48:19,679 --> 01:48:29,119 parking lots say and so based on this they'll probably be updated as needed. 1034 01:48:26,880 --> 01:48:34,960 » Um for sure anything outdated or inaccurate would be removed and areas 1035 01:48:31,760 --> 01:48:39,920 that we know are problematic areas we would want to ensure signage is up. 1036 01:48:37,119 --> 01:48:43,440 Everything in between um we'll go through and see what's really needed. 1037 01:48:42,080 --> 01:48:47,040 » Thank you. That's it. 1038 01:48:44,080 --> 01:48:53,080 » The um I missed um allowing the public to say anything. Anybody out there have 1039 01:48:49,840 --> 01:48:53,080 a comment? 1040 01:48:53,440 --> 01:49:00,800 » State your name. >> Sheamus McVey. Uh I just want to ask for 1041 01:48:58,320 --> 01:49:06,880 clarification because I didn't follow a particular example given in the prior 1042 01:49:04,320 --> 01:49:12,800 slide to this one on uh commercial activities. In the example, uh, city 1043 01:49:10,080 --> 01:49:19,679 manager Kyle, you said if somebody wanted to have a yoga class, uh, that 1044 01:49:16,880 --> 01:49:24,880 would be permissible. Um, however, if you wanted to teach a yoga class, then 1045 01:49:22,320 --> 01:49:28,080 you might need a different thing. And and I think I'm confused on the 1046 01:49:26,719 --> 01:49:31,040 difference between >> commerce 1047 01:49:28,480 --> 01:49:34,880 » teaching a yoga class >> and having a yoga class. 1048 01:49:33,360 --> 01:49:40,880 » I think is is it >> charging for the commerce? Okay. If it's 1049 01:49:38,400 --> 01:49:42,800 a free yoga class, then it's okay. If it's a 1050 01:49:41,360 --> 01:49:46,639 » if you're if you're operating your business in the city park, 1051 01:49:45,119 --> 01:49:50,239 » then there needs to be an authorized process. 1052 01:49:47,679 --> 01:49:54,000 » If it's just people getting together to recreate, then it wouldn't be 1053 01:49:52,560 --> 01:49:57,040 » uh that would just be permitted outright. 1054 01:49:54,639 --> 01:49:59,119 » So, the formality level then, >> I think it's if you're charging for it 1055 01:49:58,560 --> 01:50:02,840 or not. >> Okay. Thank you. 1056 01:50:03,520 --> 01:50:06,920 » Anybody else? 1057 01:50:07,199 --> 01:50:17,840 Okay. Councelor Montero. T- Monontto. >> T- Monontto. Yes. Um the most egregious 1058 01:50:15,760 --> 01:50:25,440 instances that I've seen have always been at um uh the Estuary Park and 1059 01:50:22,000 --> 01:50:32,960 they've uh always been either campers or RVs. Um we don't specify campers or RVs 1060 01:50:30,239 --> 01:50:38,639 in your definition of motor vehicles. I would like to add that I know that we've 1061 01:50:36,000 --> 01:50:44,719 got some ordinances that are very old that uh we've not been able to do some 1062 01:50:42,080 --> 01:50:51,199 things we need to do because um they didn't say trailers or motor homes or 1063 01:50:49,199 --> 01:50:57,520 you know this kind of thing for for some other items. So, I' I'd like us to be 1064 01:50:55,199 --> 01:51:01,840 specific on campers, RVs, and motor homes 1065 01:50:59,760 --> 01:51:06,639 because that's that's who I see down there most of the time. 1066 01:51:03,679 --> 01:51:12,080 » Yeah, I can I I can I can that's easy to include. The one thing I will say is 1067 01:51:09,040 --> 01:51:16,960 with a park closure, it doesn't matter what it is. 1068 01:51:13,679 --> 01:51:22,639 » I understand, but if we, you know, if we don't include in the definition, 1069 01:51:18,560 --> 01:51:29,199 somebody can always dispute it. Um the other thing is that um again at the 1070 01:51:26,080 --> 01:51:35,920 estuary park what I see a lot of is people uh parking and take and parking 1071 01:51:32,880 --> 01:51:41,360 laterally instead of heading in and so they're taking up two or three parking 1072 01:51:37,920 --> 01:51:45,599 spots. And so I'd like to make sure that we have something that says you can't do 1073 01:51:45,040 --> 01:51:49,679 that. >> I think uh and I'll check on that and 1074 01:51:48,159 --> 01:51:54,960 you brought it to my attention previously. I think our traffic code 1075 01:51:52,480 --> 01:52:00,000 probably already it's already >> against the rules to do that. 1076 01:51:57,199 --> 01:52:04,880 » Um that being said, at the estuary we don't have striped parking and so um 1077 01:52:02,800 --> 01:52:11,280 we'd probably address that with signage at that location because otherwise I 1078 01:52:08,080 --> 01:52:15,520 think there are likely already existing laws on the books that say you can't, 1079 01:52:13,440 --> 01:52:19,760 you know, take up multiple parking spaces or something like that. So 1080 01:52:17,679 --> 01:52:23,040 whether you're a trailer parking sideways or a 1081 01:52:22,400 --> 01:52:27,840 » car >> luxury vehicle that doesn't want any 1082 01:52:25,440 --> 01:52:30,719 dings and parks in the middle of two parking spaces, either one would be a 1083 01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:38,480 violation, >> right? Um you also uh say you can't 1084 01:52:35,040 --> 01:52:43,440 vape, smoke, etc., etc. Do you need to include um the uh consumption of 1085 01:52:41,760 --> 01:52:48,639 alcohol? I think that's addressed. Well, it's not 1086 01:52:46,239 --> 01:52:53,760 addressed because the council direction was not to include it. That was the 1087 01:52:51,520 --> 01:52:57,679 council direction was we didn't want it didn't seem to be a problem. So, we 1088 01:52:55,360 --> 01:53:01,040 didn't want to uh >> restrict it. 1089 01:52:58,400 --> 01:53:05,360 » You restrict it. And so, if it becomes an issue, then we would address it then. 1090 01:53:03,199 --> 01:53:10,159 But, uh I think if I recall, the direction was let's not create a more 1091 01:53:08,320 --> 01:53:16,480 restrictive law where it hasn't been a problem. And then if somebody has a 1092 01:53:13,280 --> 01:53:24,480 permit or a reservation to use part of the park or the the uh cooking area, 1093 01:53:20,639 --> 01:53:28,000 does that limit the use of that area by anybody else? 1094 01:53:26,080 --> 01:53:34,719 » Yeah. So, we don't have a process for that, but certainly, let's say, um, 1095 01:53:31,360 --> 01:53:40,159 Seaside Kids wants to do T-ball at Cartwright Park, like they do, um, we 1096 01:53:37,840 --> 01:53:44,800 would have a process for that. So they could reserve that and then they would 1097 01:53:41,599 --> 01:53:50,719 yeah they would have exclusive right to um use that for their T-ball programming 1098 01:53:47,920 --> 01:53:54,719 as an example. Um certainly I could see this when we build the north 40 and we 1099 01:53:52,800 --> 01:54:00,800 have more program sports happening there that there will be a pretty robust you 1100 01:53:57,280 --> 01:54:06,400 know reservation system and uh if you reserve it then you are able to have 1101 01:54:03,599 --> 01:54:12,960 exclusive access but we haven't created any of that and so um 1102 01:54:10,000 --> 01:54:17,360 at the time when we wish to start doing uh implementing process like that we 1103 01:54:14,560 --> 01:54:22,480 would put um all that together in terms of a uh rental policy, reservation 1104 01:54:21,520 --> 01:54:26,280 policy. >> Okay. Thank you. 1105 01:54:27,679 --> 01:54:33,440 » Do you have any thoughts on what that process would look like as far as a 1106 01:54:31,360 --> 01:54:36,480 reservation system and is that something you're planning on managing? 1107 01:54:35,119 --> 01:54:42,400 » We're not planning on doing it right now. I think right now we have a first 1108 01:54:38,239 --> 01:54:46,719 come, first serve and it works well. Um, mostly what we have is, uh, when 1109 01:54:44,639 --> 01:54:52,080 anyone's trying to hold an event or something, um, we have our event 1110 01:54:49,599 --> 01:54:57,360 permitting process. And I think that's typically how we would handle it. Now, 1111 01:54:54,719 --> 01:55:01,360 um, I don't think we have, um, a big demand for pavilion rentals. 1112 01:54:59,679 --> 01:55:07,440 If we did, we'd probably look at some sort of online resource. Um, it's also 1113 01:55:04,800 --> 01:55:12,080 very possible that this may there may be an opportunity to partner with Sunset 1114 01:55:10,000 --> 01:55:16,800 Empire on some of the online registration they have and work with 1115 01:55:13,760 --> 01:55:21,840 them on parks reservations. U, that's something I've Skyler and I have, you 1116 01:55:19,599 --> 01:55:26,560 know, had brief discussions about, but nothing nothing serious. I think more 1117 01:55:24,560 --> 01:55:30,800 likely we'd cross that bridge when we get there. 1118 01:55:27,520 --> 01:55:37,679 » And as far as specific park rules, what is that process going to look like? 1119 01:55:33,280 --> 01:55:43,840 Um I think as we identify specific parks that need exceptions or something 1120 01:55:40,960 --> 01:55:47,440 different um that would be a good job and I think I've already kind of briefly 1121 01:55:45,840 --> 01:55:52,480 suggested to the parks committee this would be a good uh assignment for them 1122 01:55:50,080 --> 01:55:58,400 would be to go through each of the parks and say okay what exceptions are here or 1123 01:55:55,440 --> 01:56:04,159 what special rules need to apply here and that uh we would bring that back and 1124 01:56:01,920 --> 01:56:10,480 um I think that we would implement those through uh not necessarily in the 1125 01:56:06,080 --> 01:56:15,360 ordinance but through um a resolution. Uh either that or it's possible on some 1126 01:56:13,119 --> 01:56:19,280 things that staff can handle it alone on some of the signage and whatnot. Um, but 1127 01:56:17,840 --> 01:56:27,440 I think we'd have them do some of the initial work of canvasing our parks and 1128 01:56:23,679 --> 01:56:31,679 uh coming up with that list of um uh ideas of what parks need something a 1129 01:56:30,400 --> 01:56:35,760 little bit different than the governing policy. 1130 01:56:33,040 --> 01:56:40,080 » Some of that work happened right Nancy during uh the time when we came up with 1131 01:56:38,080 --> 01:56:46,400 all the signs because not all the signs are the same for every park. So again, 1132 01:56:43,520 --> 01:56:51,639 we've got the cart before the horse in some cases, but some of that work's been 1133 01:56:48,639 --> 01:56:51,639 done. 1134 01:56:53,119 --> 01:56:58,159 Either one. Any comments? >> Go ahead, Chris. 1135 01:56:55,920 --> 01:57:05,360 » I appreciate that you took the previous comments um and made the adjustments and 1136 01:57:03,119 --> 01:57:08,960 in particular the restriction around the open container because I think that was 1137 01:57:06,960 --> 01:57:12,719 an important one for residents. So appreciate that as well as the parks 1138 01:57:10,880 --> 01:57:17,599 committee reviewing it and giving their blessing. So I'm good. 1139 01:57:15,599 --> 01:57:23,760 » Well, this was before my time and I can't say thank you enough. It's about 1140 01:57:19,520 --> 01:57:28,239 time that this is being solidified. Um I have a couple questions. 1141 01:57:26,080 --> 01:57:32,239 So if I understand right, you're saying that yes, if you wanted to have a beer 1142 01:57:30,560 --> 01:57:37,920 in the park and you're over 21, you can do it because it's not a problem. Okay. 1143 01:57:34,560 --> 01:57:42,880 So, has has the the vaping and the smoking and the whatever whatever become 1144 01:57:41,040 --> 01:57:47,199 a problem? Because I notice on some of the signs 1145 01:57:44,719 --> 01:57:52,159 right now, Goodman Park, it says no smoking within 20 10 or 20 ft of 1146 01:57:49,679 --> 01:57:57,280 building. So, was there a problem that this all of a 1147 01:57:55,440 --> 01:58:03,040 sudden is a solution for? >> I uh I'm not aware of any problems. I do 1148 01:58:00,480 --> 01:58:08,800 think more and more um most cities that have adopted rules 1149 01:58:05,920 --> 01:58:16,719 in the last 25 years or so are leaning towards um no no smoking, no tobacco use 1150 01:58:14,800 --> 01:58:21,119 uh for a number of reasons. One is so it's not around other people. Often it's 1151 01:58:19,280 --> 01:58:27,599 so it's not around children or an enticement for teens and stuff like 1152 01:58:23,119 --> 01:58:32,560 that. Um, I would say that's the uh that would be what I sense is the general 1153 01:58:30,239 --> 01:58:39,199 direction for most cities. I think that's um a pretty 1154 01:58:36,239 --> 01:58:47,119 standard rule from every park I've seen. >> Okay. I was just wondering on that. Um, 1155 01:58:43,360 --> 01:58:52,480 so let's see. I I want to rent a space at Broadway Park. Is there going to be a 1156 01:58:49,760 --> 01:58:57,520 QR code on that sign that'll take me to the city so I can make a reservation? 1157 01:58:55,040 --> 01:59:02,000 » Right now, no, because we uh are not we're this ordinance makes it possible 1158 01:59:00,239 --> 01:59:06,400 in the future if we want to have reservation program, we can at that time 1159 01:59:04,560 --> 01:59:09,040 we would we would we could put something together, but this ordinance itself 1160 01:59:08,400 --> 01:59:14,080 doesn't do that >> in general or even just contact in 1161 01:59:11,599 --> 01:59:19,599 general. If I had questions about a park or Yeah. whatever. Uh, 1162 01:59:16,560 --> 01:59:22,560 we can put signs in there. I would, uh, that if you have questions about the 1163 01:59:20,719 --> 01:59:24,800 park, you can contact city hall or something like that. I think that 1164 01:59:23,520 --> 01:59:28,800 happens naturally already, though. >> Yeah. Well, that's what I was thinking. 1165 01:59:25,920 --> 01:59:35,040 QR code might just make it simpler. Um, so the reservation processes to follow 1166 01:59:30,719 --> 01:59:43,360 down the road. So, to uh, piggy back on uh, uh, counselor T. Montero's note, 1167 01:59:38,159 --> 01:59:47,599 Nanakum, as we know from um, uh, 1st to 12th. Mhm. 1168 01:59:45,199 --> 01:59:51,920 » And will we be be putting up uh the parking hour signs there as well? 1169 01:59:49,599 --> 01:59:57,119 » So that that one is not covered under this code because this code is covering 1170 01:59:53,760 --> 02:00:02,960 parking lots associated with a park. That is the parking regulations that 1171 02:00:00,880 --> 02:00:08,480 exist in our traffic code and parking code which is a different chapter. And 1172 02:00:04,800 --> 02:00:13,040 so those are not a part of this. Um, I am aware that there are some updated 1173 02:00:10,400 --> 02:00:15,280 signs that are likely needed, but not necessarily associated with this 1174 02:00:14,320 --> 02:00:20,800 ordinance. >> And I do support the parking space 1175 02:00:17,199 --> 02:00:25,840 striping at at Estuary Park. >> And that is it. And thank you for doing 1176 02:00:23,199 --> 02:00:29,159 all the work here on this policy. I appreciate it. 1177 02:00:29,360 --> 02:00:38,639 » I uh don't really have any other questions. Um, the one thing I thought 1178 02:00:34,560 --> 02:00:42,880 of was what if somebody is in their car smoking? U 1179 02:00:41,280 --> 02:00:48,480 whether the windows are up or down, I don't care. But basically, is that 1180 02:00:45,920 --> 02:00:53,599 covered under our ordinance. >> I think by strict interpretation, uh, 1181 02:00:50,719 --> 02:00:57,679 that would not be permitted. That being said, there is what's allowed and what's 1182 02:00:55,760 --> 02:01:00,639 not allowed and there is what the police are going to do. 1183 02:00:58,480 --> 02:01:05,440 » What they're going to do. Yes. And so >> so I don't propose changing anything for 1184 02:01:03,360 --> 02:01:09,760 that. [clears throat] The uh and the other thing to note is 1185 02:01:07,520 --> 02:01:16,239 that marijuana use already prohibited outdoors. So we're just reiterating that 1186 02:01:13,360 --> 02:01:19,840 » some of this will also be I mean there's the rule and there's how we communicate 1187 02:01:18,080 --> 02:01:25,360 it through signage and other other things like that. And a couple of my 1188 02:01:23,199 --> 02:01:31,520 neighbors specifically asked I at least mention this that um 1189 02:01:29,199 --> 02:01:38,159 the one about dogs being on a leash at all times except where specifically 1190 02:01:35,599 --> 02:01:42,480 designated Cartrite Park has a place where people like to throw the ball and 1191 02:01:40,960 --> 02:01:47,920 let their dog chase it and they're off the leash. They're away from people. So, 1192 02:01:45,119 --> 02:01:53,280 um they hope that whoever decides that will decide that that is a designated 1193 02:01:50,159 --> 02:02:01,599 spot and some of the other parks are big enough to do that as well. So, 1194 02:01:57,360 --> 02:02:09,360 okay. Um and that was Yeah. The other comment um you know we 1195 02:02:06,239 --> 02:02:16,000 um councelor T. Montero wanted to add RVs more spec specificity 1196 02:02:13,199 --> 02:02:20,880 for motor vehicles just make sure that we don't run a foul of anything that 1197 02:02:18,400 --> 02:02:24,239 we're trying to define motor vehicle that the state may say something 1198 02:02:22,400 --> 02:02:29,040 different about. I wouldn't think they would, but uh we want to be careful with 1199 02:02:26,560 --> 02:02:33,280 that. Okay. 1200 02:02:30,880 --> 02:02:36,239 May I have a motion? If that's all the comments, 1201 02:02:34,239 --> 02:02:40,159 » I move for a first reading of ordinance number 2026-07 1202 02:02:38,800 --> 02:02:43,760 by title only. >> A second. 1203 02:02:41,599 --> 02:02:46,800 » Councelor Baker. Uh, Council President Morrisy. All those in favor say I. 1204 02:02:46,480 --> 02:02:54,320 » I. >> I. Any opposed? Motion carries. Spencer. 1205 02:02:51,599 --> 02:02:59,679 Ordinance 2026-07 an ordinance adding chapter 97 parks and 1206 02:02:57,599 --> 02:03:04,159 park facilities to the seaside municipal code in establishing rules for the use 1207 02:03:02,159 --> 02:03:08,320 of for the use of city parks, parks facilities, and park associated parking 1208 02:03:06,800 --> 02:03:14,000 areas. >> Thank you. That be on our next uh 1209 02:03:11,840 --> 02:03:18,080 agenda. Wow. 1210 02:03:16,239 --> 02:03:20,159 One hour in and we got through the regular agenda 1211 02:03:19,520 --> 02:03:23,840 » record. [laughter] >> Yeah. 1212 02:03:21,199 --> 02:03:28,360 I thought that might take longer. City staff, anybody else? 1213 02:03:29,599 --> 02:03:34,639 » Actually, [laughter] um 1214 02:03:32,320 --> 02:03:40,679 when can we expect to get some sort of report on um all of the Fourth of July 1215 02:03:37,679 --> 02:03:40,679 activity? 1216 02:03:45,760 --> 02:03:52,239 We'll uh I'll talk in our department at meeting tomorrow and we'll see what's 1217 02:03:50,080 --> 02:03:58,000 left to gather and what we'll take to put it all together and and uh we'll put 1218 02:03:55,040 --> 02:04:01,239 it on an upcoming um agenda. >> Thank you. 1219 02:04:07,360 --> 02:04:15,280 » Sorry, I just got one more uh from Chief Daniels. Um, so over the last couple 1220 02:04:12,000 --> 02:04:20,320 weeks, um, we had the honor of being deployed on wildfires. 1221 02:04:16,960 --> 02:04:24,239 » Um, I just returned today with my crew, uh, that was out. We were gone for 14 1222 02:04:22,000 --> 02:04:28,880 days, uh, Sumpter, Oregon, Milton, Free Water, and then into Primeville. Um, but 1223 02:04:27,199 --> 02:04:32,639 just kind of an update on that. Um, division chief Dave Rankin is still 1224 02:04:30,320 --> 02:04:37,840 deployed with the OSFM red team as a division supervisor. He's on, I'm going 1225 02:04:35,360 --> 02:04:43,360 to mispronounce it, the Aawa fire outside his sister's organ. and he's 1226 02:04:39,599 --> 02:04:51,840 been he should um he's currently I think set to wrap up his 14-day deployment on 1227 02:04:46,159 --> 02:04:56,560 Thursday. Um we do have a crew over in on the Hagen fire outside of Milton 1228 02:04:53,599 --> 02:04:59,840 Freewater. Um the primary or the preliminary word is they're going to do 1229 02:04:58,080 --> 02:05:02,639 demob tomorrow morning. They timed out on Saturday, but after 11 days, it 1230 02:05:01,760 --> 02:05:07,520 sounds like they're going to come home in the morning. And then this afternoon, 1231 02:05:05,760 --> 02:05:11,760 three and a half hours after my crew got home, we deployed another team and they 1232 02:05:10,000 --> 02:05:15,360 headed to the Grasshopper fire in Wasco County. Uh that includes Chief Daniels, 1233 02:05:13,760 --> 02:05:19,119 division chief Jennese Dennis and two one of our career staffs and one of our 1234 02:05:17,040 --> 02:05:25,920 part or interns. >> Um I know talking with the OSFM team 1235 02:05:22,400 --> 02:05:32,800 overheads. Um so far I think they've deployed 35 uh task forces um so far 1236 02:05:29,679 --> 02:05:37,360 this year. Um it's uh reflecting of the 2020 wildfire wildfire seasons which was 1237 02:05:35,520 --> 02:05:41,599 one of the worst in the Oregon history. Um with the 18% snow pack this year, uh 1238 02:05:39,760 --> 02:05:45,760 they expected to get uh worse somewhere not even in August yet. So I just want 1239 02:05:44,239 --> 02:05:48,639 to give you guys that update that we do have crews out. Uh we are covering 1240 02:05:47,440 --> 02:05:51,520 everything at home and we appreciate everybody's support. 1241 02:05:51,040 --> 02:05:54,239 » Thank you. >> Thank you. 1242 02:05:52,159 --> 02:06:00,806 » I think I read that we're over a million acres are on fire now. Jeez Louise. 1243 02:05:58,786 --> 02:06:00,806 » [snorts] 1244 02:06:04,239 --> 02:06:08,119 » John, anything? 1245 02:06:10,159 --> 02:06:17,840 » I asked him to uh give us an update on what's required for the upcoming 1246 02:06:16,400 --> 02:06:24,480 elections. >> Put my glasses on for that. 1247 02:06:20,880 --> 02:06:31,920 since every one of us is uh or at least our positions whether you're all running 1248 02:06:27,040 --> 02:06:36,560 or not. I I am I'm on the ballot now. Um make sure that the dates are you're all 1249 02:06:33,840 --> 02:06:44,639 aware of that. Keep in mind that the uh the one term the one position for ward 1250 02:06:40,960 --> 02:06:49,440 uh three is going to be by appointment. That's the only way we can fill that. 1251 02:06:47,760 --> 02:06:56,000 Kim. >> Yes. So, all of this information is on 1252 02:06:52,400 --> 02:07:01,040 the city's website or you're welcome to call me. Uh I will help you uh go 1253 02:06:59,520 --> 02:07:05,360 through everything that you need to do as far as if you would like to run for a 1254 02:07:02,560 --> 02:07:09,520 position for the city. Right now you have positions that are filled by for 1255 02:07:07,760 --> 02:07:13,520 instance um Robin Monttero is in ward 1256 02:07:13,119 --> 02:07:17,920 uh >> one two 1257 02:07:14,239 --> 02:07:23,840 » two one and two excuse me at large Christine Baker is at ward one Seth 1258 02:07:21,440 --> 02:07:29,040 Morrisy is at ward three and four at large you have Mayor Wright's position 1259 02:07:27,360 --> 02:07:35,920 mayor uh TA Montero's position ward two is 1260 02:07:31,760 --> 02:07:42,800 open and Um and uh Patrick Annsboro um he his 1261 02:07:39,599 --> 02:07:47,760 position is open actually for Ward 4. So W three is the only position that's not 1262 02:07:45,280 --> 02:07:51,840 open as far as for elections. It's only you can apply but it's for the city 1263 02:07:49,920 --> 02:07:58,560 council. So, all of these positions are open and 1264 02:07:55,040 --> 02:08:03,599 even though Patrick, Teta, the mayor, Seth, Christine, and Robin all sit in 1265 02:08:01,599 --> 02:08:08,239 those seats, they're all open for anybody to apply. 1266 02:08:05,920 --> 02:08:13,679 Um, the application process is actually very 1267 02:08:11,679 --> 02:08:16,719 easy. You just fill out one sheet, you come in and get that approved, and then 1268 02:08:15,199 --> 02:08:22,719 you can go out and you just get 20 signatures. And that's really what it 1269 02:08:19,280 --> 02:08:29,840 entails. The deadline for that actually elections opened on June 3, 2026. 1270 02:08:26,960 --> 02:08:35,599 The last day for a local elected incumbent, for instance, Teta, the 1271 02:08:32,480 --> 02:08:42,400 mayor, Seth, all are incumbents. They were um elected by the people of the 1272 02:08:38,400 --> 02:08:48,719 city of Seaside. They all will get their applications in if they so choose to 1273 02:08:44,880 --> 02:08:54,719 rerun by August 18th at the latest. That's their deadline, a week before 1274 02:08:50,800 --> 02:09:00,480 everybody else. August 25th would be for Robin, for Christine, and for Patrick 1275 02:08:58,480 --> 02:09:08,320 and for anybody else that runs for elections outside of um the council. 1276 02:09:05,199 --> 02:09:13,040 And so I would just like to see some people get some applications in and 1277 02:09:10,400 --> 02:09:17,360 let's just have a great election year. So if you have any questions, you can 1278 02:09:14,560 --> 02:09:21,119 come and see me um or it's on the website. You can go and review that. 1279 02:09:19,440 --> 02:09:26,320 Call me and I'll talk you through everything. Just I'm here to to help to 1280 02:09:24,560 --> 02:09:31,040 get people running for the city of Seaside that are interested. 1281 02:09:28,719 --> 02:09:36,719 » Okay. And you actually strongly encourage 1282 02:09:33,360 --> 02:09:40,639 people to get them in at least two weeks earlier in those dates if you can 1283 02:09:38,639 --> 02:09:44,880 because they need to be ver the signatures need to be verified by the 1284 02:09:43,119 --> 02:09:49,599 county. And uh even though you know they look 1285 02:09:47,280 --> 02:09:55,920 fine to you, the county may not agree with you. So uh get it done as soon as 1286 02:09:52,639 --> 02:09:59,239 you can uh so Kim can get it to the county clerk. 1287 02:10:00,320 --> 02:10:03,320 Okay, 1288 02:10:04,239 --> 02:10:12,159 Spencer. >> The only thing I think I'd add to that 1289 02:10:08,320 --> 02:10:16,639 is uh for our vacancy on W three, I just encourage our council, you're the 1290 02:10:13,520 --> 02:10:20,480 biggest champions of the city and I think where we haven't had a lot of 1291 02:10:18,079 --> 02:10:25,920 interest in applications, um our best bet is going to be through 1292 02:10:23,360 --> 02:10:30,159 direct recruitment. So, be thinking about people that you know that live in 1293 02:10:27,920 --> 02:10:35,679 Ward 3 and reach out to them, encourage them. I think oftent times people 1294 02:10:34,159 --> 02:10:39,119 wouldn't normally consider it, but if they're approached and someone says, "I 1295 02:10:37,599 --> 02:10:46,560 think you'd be really good at this," it motivates them to consider it. Um, and 1296 02:10:43,679 --> 02:10:50,560 I'd say the same for any of those who you think are influential in the 1297 02:10:47,920 --> 02:10:54,960 community to do the same. But I think uh I don't think Ward 3 will be filled just 1298 02:10:53,440 --> 02:10:59,440 by biting our time. I think [cough] it's 1299 02:10:56,480 --> 02:11:05,599 going to take some uh some recruitment and this is one area where I will stay 1300 02:11:01,920 --> 02:11:09,520 completely out of it. Part of my code of ethics is I don't get involved in that 1301 02:11:07,440 --> 02:11:14,560 kind of stuff. So we did place on the city's website an election page that's 1302 02:11:12,320 --> 02:11:18,800 uh encouraging people to consider it and just has information on there. Um but 1303 02:11:17,119 --> 02:11:25,760 when it comes to individuals, that's where I will let you all do it. Um but 1304 02:11:22,079 --> 02:11:30,000 certainly um the success of our future council will be really the makeup of 1305 02:11:28,239 --> 02:11:34,159 seven individuals. So to the extent you're able to recruit someone that 1306 02:11:31,280 --> 02:11:38,800 would be great on our council, um that will go a long way and who also serve 1307 02:11:36,400 --> 02:11:43,679 those residents in W three. So just encourage you to be thinking about that 1308 02:11:40,480 --> 02:11:48,719 and uh reaching out to those who you think could also be influential in 1309 02:11:45,360 --> 02:11:54,239 getting others to consider it. >> Thank you. 1310 02:11:51,520 --> 02:11:57,480 Council bro. >> Yes sir. 1311 02:11:57,760 --> 02:12:04,400 » Counselor comments. >> Okay. 1312 02:12:01,679 --> 02:12:09,520 Uh, first of all, I want to thank our police officers, firefighters, EMS 1313 02:12:06,800 --> 02:12:13,280 crews, dispatchers, tow truck operators, and everyone who responded to the two 1314 02:12:11,760 --> 02:12:18,159 serious accidents our community experienced this past week. Uh, I happen 1315 02:12:16,239 --> 02:12:22,960 to be caught in the traffic from both of those accidents. So, I understand how 1316 02:12:20,079 --> 02:12:27,920 frustrating it can be when traffic slows down to a crawl or comes to a complete 1317 02:12:25,280 --> 02:12:34,880 stop for hours. I know people had places to go, places to be, jobs to get at. Um, 1318 02:12:31,840 --> 02:12:40,159 it's in those moments it's easy for frustration to take over. Unfortunately, 1319 02:12:37,440 --> 02:12:44,960 impatience can lead to unsafe decisions that create additional hazards for the 1320 02:12:42,320 --> 02:12:49,840 very people who are working to help. The next time you find yourself stopped 1321 02:12:46,880 --> 02:12:55,520 in a traffic because of an accident, I invite you to take a deep breath, say a 1322 02:12:52,239 --> 02:13:03,520 prayer, uh or simply send a kind thought to those involved and remember that um 1323 02:12:59,840 --> 02:13:08,159 how fortunate you are that it isn't you, your family member or a friend that's 1324 02:13:05,760 --> 02:13:13,199 involved in that. Hopefully, a little perspective and a little gratitude can 1325 02:13:10,320 --> 02:13:21,119 go a long way for all of us. Uh moving to uh the community here. Uh 1326 02:13:17,360 --> 02:13:27,920 Seaside's newest mural was unveiled at a ribbon cutting ceremony. Uh and it was 1327 02:13:24,159 --> 02:13:33,199 created by Casey McMman and assisted by Seaside High School student Kennedy 1328 02:13:30,880 --> 02:13:37,119 Clumper. And I got a chance to meet her family. And they are so proud of you, 1329 02:13:35,119 --> 02:13:42,719 Kennedy. They are really proud of me. Express that a lot. Um and they should 1330 02:13:40,159 --> 02:13:47,360 be. Uh you can find this awesome work of art located at the facilities building 1331 02:13:44,639 --> 02:13:53,360 in the public parking lot at Ocean Way behind the carousel mall. 1332 02:13:50,480 --> 02:13:59,360 Uh parks advisory committee. We have a large number we are blessed to have a 1333 02:13:55,840 --> 02:14:03,280 large number of parks and a variety of parks in our seaside community. So I 1334 02:14:01,440 --> 02:14:08,480 would recommend that people reach out to the visitors center for a list and then 1335 02:14:05,520 --> 02:14:15,440 go for a walk. Uh the Japanese have a term for being in nature and it's called 1336 02:14:11,280 --> 02:14:21,920 forest bathing and it's very good to get out into the forest or into uh the 1337 02:14:18,159 --> 02:14:28,159 public areas uh of na and nature and just breathe that in. It's good for the 1338 02:14:25,360 --> 02:14:34,480 soul and it's good for your physical being. I uh I also had an opportunity to 1339 02:14:32,000 --> 02:14:39,360 go to a church picnic. I haven't been to a church picnic in a long time. And this 1340 02:14:37,040 --> 02:14:45,520 was uh Reverend Sarah Kit and the Calvary Exper uh Episcopal Church. They 1341 02:14:42,079 --> 02:14:50,639 were hosting a picnic uh with uh cool music by uh Secats jazz band and they do 1342 02:14:48,800 --> 02:14:55,679 that on a regular basis. So if you get an opportunity and you want to go listen 1343 02:14:53,119 --> 02:15:04,719 some good music uh put on uh check out the Episcopal Calvary Episcopal Church. 1344 02:14:59,520 --> 02:15:08,960 Um, so my ward updates, um, the Vista Ridge project. To my constituents in 1345 02:15:06,880 --> 02:15:13,920 Ward 4, please continue to make your voices heard about this project. Be safe 1346 02:15:12,000 --> 02:15:19,679 and stay within the law when you document, video, and take photos of the 1347 02:15:16,320 --> 02:15:25,920 project's progress and uh, its impact to the neighborhood. Just, you know, bring 1348 02:15:22,800 --> 02:15:30,639 your voices to the table here. Uh, Pacific Power LED replacement project. 1349 02:15:28,800 --> 02:15:36,239 If you have thoughts or questions, we'd love to hear them. Please submit your 1350 02:15:32,239 --> 02:15:43,760 public comments to city hall and uh yes, um we talked about the fluoride earlier 1351 02:15:39,280 --> 02:15:48,239 and um I support Seth bringing that and hopefully we'll get that on the agenda. 1352 02:15:45,280 --> 02:15:53,360 And if you have any uh input with regards to fluoride, please uh do it uh 1353 02:15:51,040 --> 02:15:58,560 politely and fact-based and submit your public comments to the city hall. 1354 02:15:56,560 --> 02:16:03,520 All right. And then the city uh the coffee with the counselor is going to be 1355 02:16:00,320 --> 02:16:08,719 on Zoom this time and I'm going to check with Kim. August 8th, right? It's the 1356 02:16:06,639 --> 02:16:14,079 second Saturday. Thank you. [laughter] Uh August 8th, 9:15 to 10:15. Please see 1357 02:16:12,480 --> 02:16:18,480 the city's website for the Zoom invitation. Uh we can chat from the you 1358 02:16:16,880 --> 02:16:23,360 can chat from the comfort of your own favorite chair while your cat walks 1359 02:16:20,239 --> 02:16:28,079 across your keyboard. That's just fine. Uh or something similar. Uh bring your 1360 02:16:26,079 --> 02:16:32,639 ideas. bring your challenges, bring your solutions. Uh I look forward to seeing 1361 02:16:30,480 --> 02:16:39,760 you all virtually. And then um just want you to remember 1362 02:16:36,000 --> 02:16:44,080 that um every council meeting is about projects, budgets, and decisions, but at 1363 02:16:42,479 --> 02:16:49,599 the end of the day, it's really about our community. It's really about people. 1364 02:16:46,479 --> 02:16:54,080 If each of us leaves here looking for one small way to make our neighborhood a 1365 02:16:52,000 --> 02:16:59,679 little bit better this week, those little things add up pretty quickly. So 1366 02:16:57,280 --> 02:17:04,080 until next time, please be kind to each other, be prepared, and take care of one 1367 02:17:02,160 --> 02:17:07,319 another. Thank you. 1368 02:17:10,160 --> 02:17:20,800 First thing I want to do is um thank our our u firefighting people. Um I have 1369 02:17:17,679 --> 02:17:25,599 family in Primeville and um they were ready to evacuate. 1370 02:17:23,040 --> 02:17:33,840 Um it's scary to think about what happens 1371 02:17:29,280 --> 02:17:40,000 and we know that you are um keeping us safe here. 1372 02:17:36,080 --> 02:17:48,800 So, um, it's I think it's hard sometimes to loan you out and what we all need to 1373 02:17:45,280 --> 02:17:55,120 realize is that you're putting your lives in danger for so many people and 1374 02:17:52,319 --> 02:17:58,719 we really appreciate it. Definitely. 1375 02:17:56,960 --> 02:18:05,040 Um, okay. My committees, the tree board met 1376 02:18:02,080 --> 02:18:11,439 um on July 15th. We did not have a quorum so we had a 1377 02:18:07,200 --> 02:18:17,599 discussion. Um the community center commission will meet on August 5th and 1378 02:18:14,240 --> 02:18:22,719 we finally uh have a quorum on that commission. So hopefully we will be able 1379 02:18:20,319 --> 02:18:26,719 to conduct some business. So that's at the community center at 10:00 a.m. on 1380 02:18:24,719 --> 02:18:32,240 the 5th. Um, my coffee with a counselor is on 1381 02:18:29,599 --> 02:18:37,120 August 12th at 10:00 a.m. at the Ocean Cafe at the Best Western at 4th and 1382 02:18:35,359 --> 02:18:45,439 Prom. On July 20th, um, the uh, Mechanicum 1383 02:18:42,719 --> 02:18:51,439 Watershed Council had their second meeting regarding project that they want 1384 02:18:48,080 --> 02:18:56,479 to do regarding Thompson Creek. um because of there's a lot of flooding 1385 02:18:53,359 --> 02:19:04,399 along Thompson Creek. They gave another presentation to um uh a group of 1386 02:19:00,559 --> 02:19:10,960 residents and they have they presented three options for um helping the 1387 02:19:07,760 --> 02:19:19,920 situation at Thompson Creek. And I think now they're going on to um uh price out 1388 02:19:15,439 --> 02:19:26,559 or uh I can't remember the the word they use, but to spec out uh at least one of 1389 02:19:23,359 --> 02:19:32,080 those options to see if it would work. And it it sounds like um they have an 1390 02:19:29,679 --> 02:19:37,679 option to do nothing, an option to do something halfway, and an option to do a 1391 02:19:35,120 --> 02:19:45,519 big change. And what's interesting to hear is that the big change would cost 1392 02:19:41,599 --> 02:19:50,479 less than doing the halfway change. And um it it's very interesting to talk with 1393 02:19:47,840 --> 02:19:57,280 them about that. So I'm looking forward to seeing um more about that. And I 1394 02:19:54,319 --> 02:20:04,800 think that's it for me. One thing at the uh community center is 1395 02:20:00,080 --> 02:20:10,160 that I notice uh Paul that he has um started the drain work for the mini lake 1396 02:20:07,760 --> 02:20:13,439 that was out there. So thank you very much for that. 1397 02:20:11,439 --> 02:20:18,520 » Yes. >> T uh our monto counselor. 1398 02:20:19,840 --> 02:20:27,200 Um, first of [clears throat] all, I'd like to uh echo exactly what Teta said 1399 02:20:24,960 --> 02:20:34,000 because her relatives are my relatives over in Primeville and we just keep our 1400 02:20:30,560 --> 02:20:40,319 fingers crossed and thank you. Um, first of all, let's say orientation as a city 1401 02:20:37,040 --> 02:20:46,240 councelor getting behind the desk, if you will, was a an absolute gas. I had a 1402 02:20:44,000 --> 02:20:52,319 wonderful time with every department head and appreciate their time that they 1403 02:20:48,960 --> 02:20:56,720 spent with me and their expertise. I loved every minute of it and I now keep 1404 02:20:54,720 --> 02:21:03,840 a pair of boots in the back of my car at all times. 1405 02:20:58,479 --> 02:21:09,600 Uh let's see. Um, I got to meet with uh Director Stall at the transportation 1406 02:21:06,720 --> 02:21:15,520 advisory uh committee and councelor Bicker was there with me and it it was 1407 02:21:12,640 --> 02:21:23,600 wonderful. Um, Paul had brought forward the plan the uh parking plan for Avenue 1408 02:21:20,080 --> 02:21:28,240 U and the prom. There were a few uh minor tweaks, but it's it's going to 1409 02:21:26,319 --> 02:21:33,439 happen. It's going to happen and I'm looking forward to serving on that 1410 02:21:30,479 --> 02:21:39,600 committee. Had a great time. I love asphalt. What can I say? Um I am 1411 02:21:37,040 --> 02:21:46,399 announcing my candidacy for the general election in November. 1412 02:21:42,000 --> 02:21:52,319 Uh collecting signatures as we speak and I will be having conversation with 1413 02:21:49,040 --> 02:21:59,399 the counselor on Thursday, August 6th at um 10:00 a.m. at the Seaside Coffee 1414 02:21:55,040 --> 02:21:59,399 House. and thank you. 1415 02:22:02,160 --> 02:22:12,080 » Okay. Um, we have a social event this week on 1416 02:22:08,560 --> 02:22:16,720 Wednesday from 4 to 6 for the villages project. I've talked about it many 1417 02:22:14,319 --> 02:22:24,160 times. Quick reminder, it's a grassroots effort to create a village here in 1418 02:22:19,600 --> 02:22:29,200 Seaside to help older adults age in their homes and to give support to the 1419 02:22:26,319 --> 02:22:34,880 elderly in our community. So, if you are interested in a little bit of fun bingo 1420 02:22:32,240 --> 02:22:39,200 um and just learning more about what the villages are and what we're trying to 1421 02:22:36,560 --> 02:22:44,800 do, it's going to be at the Cavalry Episcopal Church 503 Holiday on 1422 02:22:42,640 --> 02:22:49,520 Wednesday. Thank you to Reverend Sarah. She's hosting um from 4 to 6. So would 1423 02:22:47,920 --> 02:22:56,240 love to see people there and there will be snacks. Um 1424 02:22:53,680 --> 02:23:02,800 I also am super excited about the Avenue U paving project. I think um it's just 1425 02:23:00,479 --> 02:23:08,560 going to be fabulous for that area and especially for the people that leverage 1426 02:23:06,240 --> 02:23:12,960 that area to get out to the beach on the Moby Mats. So, I'm just super grateful 1427 02:23:11,040 --> 02:23:17,359 to Paul and Public Works and everybody who's getting that going. What I do 1428 02:23:15,439 --> 02:23:22,240 think I heard is that it's going to be completed before the salt makers 1429 02:23:19,920 --> 02:23:29,600 hopefully mayor. So, >> that's the plan. Um, 1430 02:23:26,640 --> 02:23:35,359 let's see. I have my coffee on August 1st, Saturday morning, 9:00 Seaside Golf 1431 02:23:32,880 --> 02:23:41,680 Course. Would love to have you there. And then lastly, um I'm wondering one 1432 02:23:39,680 --> 02:23:45,760 thing I've been wanting to talk about, uh perhaps during a workshop, so I'm 1433 02:23:43,760 --> 02:23:52,960 wondering if anyone wants to join me, but I would like to see a review of our 1434 02:23:49,200 --> 02:23:58,880 entire capital project list. We did look at it during the budget process. I have 1435 02:23:56,000 --> 02:24:04,160 uh a lot of concern over the infrastructure in our city and I want to 1436 02:24:02,160 --> 02:24:08,560 make sure we are doing what we can to support 1437 02:24:05,680 --> 02:24:14,080 um city staff in prioritizing and funding and making sure all of that is 1438 02:24:11,040 --> 02:24:18,960 um where it needs to be. So I would like to see a review of that at one of our 1439 02:24:17,280 --> 02:24:21,520 workshops. >> Anyone interested? 1440 02:24:19,840 --> 02:24:28,240 » I think we can manage that. >> Got it. Okay. try to have maybe a 1441 02:24:24,640 --> 02:24:32,080 quarterly report just where we're at later on in the budget. 1442 02:24:29,520 --> 02:24:37,600 » That'd be great. >> And lastly, there is some community 1443 02:24:33,840 --> 02:24:42,560 enthusiasm around moving the Statue of Liberty 1444 02:24:39,120 --> 02:24:49,680 uh over to Seltzer Park, thinking that it would go with the theme that exists 1445 02:24:46,319 --> 02:24:54,560 uh veterans kind of theme and uh would be a good place to relocate the Statue 1446 02:24:51,600 --> 02:25:00,280 of Liberty. So, point of order, how would one go about making that 1447 02:24:57,280 --> 02:25:00,280 recommendation? 1448 02:25:02,160 --> 02:25:10,560 » I don't know that many [clears throat] people even know about this little 1449 02:25:06,560 --> 02:25:17,920 Statue of Liberty we have. It is a city um owned piece of uh statuary. It's 1450 02:25:14,080 --> 02:25:22,960 about 5t tall, something like that, mounted right now on a pallet if I 1451 02:25:20,399 --> 02:25:27,600 remember right. It had been at the museum just for the Fourth of July for a 1452 02:25:25,760 --> 02:25:33,359 few years. Um, I would I don't [clears throat] 1453 02:25:30,720 --> 02:25:38,720 think the council will care. I think maybe we should ask the parks committee 1454 02:25:35,520 --> 02:25:40,479 to get their approval and uh bring it back to us. 1455 02:25:39,840 --> 02:25:42,640 » Okay. >> And by approval, you meant 1456 02:25:41,680 --> 02:25:45,120 recommendation. >> Recommendation. [laughter] 1457 02:25:44,160 --> 02:25:47,439 Recommendation. >> How tall is this thing? 1458 02:25:46,319 --> 02:25:53,840 » About 5t. >> Yeah, it's very green. 1459 02:25:50,399 --> 02:25:59,600 very green. Um, yeah, there's a whole story about it. Um, the, uh, if I 1460 02:25:57,520 --> 02:26:06,960 remember right, Ken over at the visitor center has the the actual artist name. 1461 02:26:03,120 --> 02:26:13,000 It was a guy that did this for many states. I mean, he sent them all over. 1462 02:26:09,120 --> 02:26:13,000 So, it's one of many. 1463 02:26:14,080 --> 02:26:24,000 » The museum used it as a photo op. We placed it right next to our sign. So 1464 02:26:20,000 --> 02:26:28,000 when people took pictures, there you go. >> So parks committee add, please add that 1465 02:26:26,319 --> 02:26:30,319 to your agenda. That would be fabulous. >> You got a uh 1466 02:26:29,280 --> 02:26:34,240 » Oh, yes. >> Council le theison on there. 1467 02:26:31,840 --> 02:26:38,800 » Asison. Thank you. >> Thank you. And lastly, I'm just going to 1468 02:26:36,319 --> 02:26:46,080 triple quadruple echo the thanks to the fire department and um for helping out 1469 02:26:42,880 --> 02:26:49,600 everybody in our community. Ditto. 1470 02:26:47,680 --> 02:26:54,720 All right. Council Ansbro mentioned it, but thanks everyone for participating in 1471 02:26:51,840 --> 02:26:58,240 the city water flidation conversation. I believe this is an important public 1472 02:26:56,240 --> 02:27:02,720 policy that deserves a bigger discussion and I'm excited this council is going to 1473 02:27:00,160 --> 02:27:08,479 finally make that happen. Uh TAC meeting July 15th. The discussion was mainly 1474 02:27:05,359 --> 02:27:13,120 focused on tourism grants and we also got a recap of the marketing campaign to 1475 02:27:11,359 --> 02:27:16,319 try to discourage illegal fireworks on the fort. So, it's very interesting to 1476 02:27:14,960 --> 02:27:19,680 see everything they went through to try to make that happen. And obviously, we 1477 02:27:18,319 --> 02:27:24,000 didn't do a perfect job, but I think we did make some progress. Uh, there is a 1478 02:27:22,000 --> 02:27:27,760 new woman's shower at the cove. This has been a project that we've been working 1479 02:27:25,520 --> 02:27:31,600 on, I don't know, maybe someone would know more than me. How many years? Five, 1480 02:27:30,000 --> 02:27:35,280 10. It's been a long time. >> Five maybe. 1481 02:27:32,240 --> 02:27:36,479 » Yeah, it's been in public in the public works. 1482 02:27:36,160 --> 02:27:40,640 » Seven. >> He says seven. So, [laughter] yeah. So, 1483 02:27:38,960 --> 02:27:44,319 it's exciting to finally see that installed. And I know a lot of the 1484 02:27:42,319 --> 02:27:47,439 especially female surfers really appreciate that having their own little 1485 02:27:46,000 --> 02:27:51,280 area. So I don't know if it's just a woman's shower or if it's for everybody, 1486 02:27:49,120 --> 02:27:54,720 but it is a separate show. >> Yeah, it's a separate shower. So 1487 02:27:53,040 --> 02:27:56,560 » actually soft station. 1488 02:27:56,160 --> 02:27:59,120 » Okay. >> Where we're going to have a group 1489 02:27:57,760 --> 02:28:02,960 shower. >> Okay. 1490 02:28:00,560 --> 02:28:06,240 » Um and then uh as far as my future as a city councelor, 1491 02:28:04,080 --> 02:28:10,720 » I did pick up a packet today. I'm not 100% certain what the future will hold 1492 02:28:08,479 --> 02:28:14,319 for me, but I got to speak to the family and try to make that final decision very 1493 02:28:12,720 --> 02:28:18,399 soon. But with that being said, I just want to encourage anyone out there 1494 02:28:16,160 --> 02:28:21,840 that's considering serving to reach out to Kim. She doesn't bite. She's very 1495 02:28:20,319 --> 02:28:26,080 friendly and she will walk you through the entire process. 1496 02:28:24,160 --> 02:28:32,319 Uh coffee with the council president, Tuesday, August 4th, 9:15 a.m. Seaside 1497 02:28:29,359 --> 02:28:37,120 coffee house. Thank you. followed by the mayors. People come to 1498 02:28:35,040 --> 02:28:40,439 his, they don't stick around for mine. >> Oh, come on. 1499 02:28:40,880 --> 02:28:48,000 » Um, I'm always and always have been amazed 1500 02:28:44,800 --> 02:28:56,160 by uh the fire department this time of year when so many people are out across 1501 02:28:52,720 --> 02:29:01,920 the state and sometime other states and yet we still have great service here as 1502 02:28:58,960 --> 02:29:08,479 well. So, all of our our staff and volunteers are just amazing. 1503 02:29:05,280 --> 02:29:15,840 We appreciate all that they do. Um, I attended Tom Horning's um 1504 02:29:12,880 --> 02:29:22,479 memorial, I guess, um, at North Coast Land Conservancy a week, two weeks ago, 1505 02:29:19,040 --> 02:29:27,439 and it was it was amazing. Um, heard a lot of great stories. I didn't think I 1506 02:29:25,520 --> 02:29:31,680 was going to be able to make it, but I'm really glad that um things worked out 1507 02:29:29,600 --> 02:29:39,200 that I could. >> A lot of things coming up. Um volleyball 1508 02:29:35,200 --> 02:29:43,200 week is um next week. >> The week after, well, not this week, but 1509 02:29:41,280 --> 02:29:49,200 next week. Yeah. Um, I happen to be attending the OMA, 1510 02:29:46,479 --> 02:29:54,880 the mayor's conference that week, so we can all go and talk about our councils 1511 02:29:51,439 --> 02:29:59,439 and our city managers and our staff. Yeah. No, it's a great time for mayors 1512 02:29:57,439 --> 02:30:05,359 just to go and and you know, everybody you're talking to is another mayor and 1513 02:30:01,840 --> 02:30:11,120 can uh share things with you that um are sometimes a little easier when it's 1514 02:30:06,720 --> 02:30:16,880 mayor. Uh but on the 7th uh our local regional small cities meeting happens. 1515 02:30:14,080 --> 02:30:22,160 Um so I'm hoping that somebody from Seaside will be able to attend that. 1516 02:30:19,280 --> 02:30:26,720 It'd be down in Bay City. I'll be giving you homework for the last half of August 1517 02:30:24,240 --> 02:30:31,439 when we don't have a meeting. Uh we need to determine our top five priorities for 1518 02:30:29,040 --> 02:30:38,319 the League of Oregon Cities uh lobbyists for the 2027 session that's coming up. 1519 02:30:35,439 --> 02:30:46,160 Uh this is one case while I will uh actually I'll have Kim print the entire 1520 02:30:42,319 --> 02:30:49,840 uh 20 pages or so out and give to you because this is the kind of thing where 1521 02:30:47,840 --> 02:30:55,040 you need to make notes and look at everything on there. We will come back 1522 02:30:52,960 --> 02:31:03,120 probably on the first meeting in September and hold a vote and determine 1523 02:30:59,120 --> 02:31:08,560 what Seaside thinks the LOC board should support. 1524 02:31:05,280 --> 02:31:14,560 Um, we know there's a ceremony on August 11th at uh Estuary Park. There's also 1525 02:31:12,479 --> 02:31:20,800 going to be a ceremony on September 11th, which happens to be the 25th 1526 02:31:16,880 --> 02:31:26,000 anniversary of the tragedies in uh on the East Coast. Be at the American 1527 02:31:23,280 --> 02:31:31,439 Legion. Um I forgot to write down the time. I think it's 1:00, but uh it'll be 1528 02:31:28,880 --> 02:31:36,080 honoring the first responders. Um, we had a citizen just come forward and say 1529 02:31:33,280 --> 02:31:45,520 he'd like to arrange it and uh worked out at 4:00. 4:00. Okay. At the American 1530 02:31:41,760 --> 02:31:49,840 Legion. So, um, we'll get information out. The flyer was just created today, I 1531 02:31:47,840 --> 02:31:55,120 think. So, you'll be able to get an invitation to that. My quote for 1532 02:31:52,720 --> 02:32:00,080 tonight, um, has to do with teamwork again. Um, and kind of particularly 1533 02:31:57,920 --> 02:32:06,800 because we're talking about city manager when we get done after this and the city 1534 02:32:02,319 --> 02:32:13,280 council. It's a quote from Alan Moly who was a former CEO at Ford and he 1535 02:32:10,720 --> 02:32:18,640 worked many years at Boeing as well. He said leadership and this so this applies 1536 02:32:16,080 --> 02:32:25,600 to not just Spencer leading the staff but the council leading the citizenry 1537 02:32:22,800 --> 02:32:32,560 and Spencer leadership is having a compelling vision a comprehensive plan 1538 02:32:29,920 --> 02:32:36,000 and a relentless what happened to the rest of the quote 1539 02:32:43,200 --> 02:32:46,200 Well, 1540 02:32:47,200 --> 02:32:55,520 » the rest of the quote's gone. >> Well, we need to bag of Skittles. 1541 02:32:52,240 --> 02:33:01,920 » Um, I'm sure it's a relentless desire to keep things going. So, I'll uh I'll give 1542 02:32:59,280 --> 02:33:07,439 that to uh you all later. What we're going to do now though is 1543 02:33:04,479 --> 02:33:11,720 move into an executive session in accordance with OS192.660 1544 02:33:12,880 --> 02:33:21,680 2I to review and evaluate the employment related performance of the chief 1545 02:33:18,479 --> 02:33:26,399 executive executive officer of any public body a public officer employer 1546 02:33:24,000 --> 02:33:33,840 staff member who does not request an open hearing. Afterwards, we'll 1547 02:33:29,200 --> 02:33:37,760 reconvene into regular session. And uh you're welcome to stay if you want, but 1548 02:33:35,840 --> 02:33:42,359 it may be a while. You're all free to go. We will be back, though. 1549 03:09:57,520 --> 03:10:03,840 We're back from executive session. I'm going to read my quote over. I found the 1550 03:10:02,240 --> 03:10:09,040 rest of it because the most important part was left out. Leadership is having 1551 03:10:06,399 --> 03:10:16,960 a compelling vision, a comprehensive plan, relentless implementation, and 1552 03:10:12,640 --> 03:10:22,479 talented people working together. We uh are returning from our executive 1553 03:10:20,240 --> 03:10:28,640 session and pull up the right thing here. 1554 03:10:25,680 --> 03:10:33,439 Um I have a statement to make regarding um our city manager's performance. what 1555 03:10:30,880 --> 03:10:37,520 we talked about. Overall, the city council is very 1556 03:10:35,520 --> 03:10:41,319 pleased with Spencer Kyle's performance during the past year. 1557 03:10:41,840 --> 03:10:49,520 We appreciate his professionalism, thorough preparation, collaborative 1558 03:10:47,279 --> 03:10:54,479 leadership style, and his ability to present complex issues in a way that 1559 03:10:52,479 --> 03:10:58,800 helps the council make informed decisions. As we look ahead, we 1560 03:10:56,880 --> 03:11:03,279 encourage Spencer to continue building the leadership capacity of his 1561 03:11:01,279 --> 03:11:08,560 department heads through greater delegation, to streamline reports and 1562 03:11:06,479 --> 03:11:14,800 presentations, to focus on the key issues, to continue improving budget 1563 03:11:11,760 --> 03:11:20,720 processes, and to help us strengthen communication with residents that builds 1564 03:11:17,760 --> 03:11:25,200 public confidence in city government. We also look forward to continued progress 1565 03:11:22,800 --> 03:11:29,120 determining the council's strategic priorities particularly related to 1566 03:11:27,680 --> 03:11:32,960 infrastructure planning and implementation 1567 03:11:30,720 --> 03:11:41,200 while maintaining our positive momentum that has benefited the city of Seaside. 1568 03:11:37,439 --> 03:11:47,359 We'll move from that into uh determining uh what changes we may want to make to 1569 03:11:44,000 --> 03:11:54,560 his um annual salary. Uh you have seen uh the letter he wrote 1570 03:11:50,560 --> 03:12:03,760 to us, but uh the overall compensation that find my glasses here that um the 1571 03:12:00,160 --> 03:12:09,920 cost of living increase this year was um 2.8%. 1572 03:12:06,560 --> 03:12:16,160 And so I would uh propose that we move the base pay for city manager Spencer 1573 03:12:12,240 --> 03:12:22,399 Cow by 2.8% to 186,41 per year. 1574 03:12:17,279 --> 03:12:26,040 retroactively effective 71 of 2026. >> I'll second that. 1575 03:12:26,479 --> 03:12:34,240 » Uh the mayor made the motion and councelor T. Monttero seconded it. Any 1576 03:12:31,760 --> 03:12:38,000 discussion? Feel free. I mean I'm I rarely make a 1577 03:12:37,120 --> 03:12:46,240 motion. So, >> right, you know, um I think we want to 1578 03:12:42,160 --> 03:12:55,279 also make it clear this is the uh cost of living raise and it was um Spencer 1579 03:12:50,399 --> 03:13:01,040 who uh indicated not to give him a merit side. And I want to make sure that from 1580 03:12:58,240 --> 03:13:07,359 a historical perspective, nobody looks at zero merit and sees it as a demerit, 1581 03:13:05,120 --> 03:13:13,600 as a negative, because it is not a negative. It is something that we're 1582 03:13:10,000 --> 03:13:21,080 doing to fulfill another request of um of uh the city managers. And so I want 1583 03:13:16,880 --> 03:13:21,080 to make sure we make that point. 1584 03:13:22,960 --> 03:13:31,920 » Any other comments? All those in favor say I. I. 1585 03:13:28,239 --> 03:13:40,720 » Any opposed? Motion carries. The um next step is to u possibly uh and 1586 03:13:38,319 --> 03:13:50,560 we don't have to decide this tonight, but um make the um proposal to move some 1587 03:13:46,080 --> 03:13:55,040 of Spencer's or put some u money into Spencer's deferred income. there's no 1588 03:13:53,439 --> 03:14:01,680 provision for that in his current contract 1589 03:13:56,800 --> 03:14:08,319 and um you saw with the surveys that we've done that that is one area that um 1590 03:14:05,200 --> 03:14:15,600 he is kind of lacking in as far as overall compensation. 1591 03:14:10,800 --> 03:14:20,800 So um what we are proposing is to change the language to allow deferred 1592 03:14:18,399 --> 03:14:24,880 compensate compensation. Uh what we're talking about for the 1593 03:14:22,399 --> 03:14:31,279 first year is 2% which is pretty minimal. Um 1594 03:14:28,479 --> 03:14:36,000 so that's that's a fairly simple change straightforward. 1595 03:14:33,279 --> 03:14:41,920 And what we would do would have uh Spencer go back and u we will I will 1596 03:14:38,880 --> 03:14:48,960 work with him and create a new amendment to his contract and bring it back to the 1597 03:14:44,800 --> 03:14:54,080 council for approval. Comments, questions? 1598 03:14:52,160 --> 03:14:55,920 » Sounds like a good plan, >> huh? 1599 03:14:54,560 --> 03:14:57,200 » Sounds like a good plan. >> Yeah. 1600 03:14:56,319 --> 03:15:01,600 » Yeah. >> Your mic on? Yeah. Okay. 1601 03:14:59,600 --> 03:15:07,279 » Mayor, is uh what is the term of the contract? Is there a a definitive term 1602 03:15:06,080 --> 03:15:12,880 or just open? >> No term for there until you don't want 1603 03:15:10,800 --> 03:15:15,120 me here. [laughter] >> Thank you. 1604 03:15:13,359 --> 03:15:19,279 » And Dad, what the mayor said, I think coming back with that at a different 1605 03:15:16,640 --> 03:15:24,319 meeting would allow it to, you know, be in the packet and everything like that. 1606 03:15:21,120 --> 03:15:29,680 So, like any other item, there's the public has an opportunity to have some 1607 03:15:25,760 --> 03:15:34,640 eyes on it and rather than a time like this. So 1608 03:15:32,640 --> 03:15:40,640 » would when it when it comes back would we be talking in general about the 1609 03:15:37,760 --> 03:15:45,840 program the administration the cost of the program are any other s employees 1610 03:15:44,160 --> 03:15:51,279 going to be eligible like is that what you're saying bringing back? No, we 1611 03:15:47,439 --> 03:15:54,640 already we already have the program. Um >> uh when I got here, that was one of the 1612 03:15:53,439 --> 03:15:59,600 things that we were missing. And so we've implemented we all employees have 1613 03:15:57,120 --> 03:16:07,520 an opportunity themselves to contribute to the um it's basically through PERS, 1614 03:16:03,359 --> 03:16:12,800 but it's their their 457 plan. And so it's all voluntary contributions. And so 1615 03:16:09,600 --> 03:16:16,319 the request I put in there is for a 2% city contribution on my behalf. But the 1616 03:16:15,040 --> 03:16:20,640 program's already there. It's already in payroll and employees already use it. 1617 03:16:18,319 --> 03:16:22,960 » I understand now. Thank you. No city match currently, 1618 03:16:22,479 --> 03:16:26,200 » right? >> Got it. 1619 03:16:26,960 --> 03:16:31,760 » Is that generally acceptable to everybody? Sounds okay. Okay. 1620 03:16:30,720 --> 03:16:37,600 » So, yeah. >> The second one that is going to engender 1621 03:16:33,920 --> 03:16:41,760 more conversation, uh, he has asked um, well, 1622 03:16:39,600 --> 03:16:44,560 you wrote this in an email, right? Everybody sent it. Okay. So, everybody 1623 03:16:43,120 --> 03:16:50,000 knows about it. um why don't you explain it first and 1624 03:16:47,279 --> 03:16:52,239 then we'll talk about it. >> Sure. 1625 03:16:50,399 --> 03:16:58,479 » From your standpoint and what you've learned from other city managers. 1626 03:16:55,359 --> 03:17:05,040 » So this is so the request is at a provision that the uh city manager um 1627 03:17:02,560 --> 03:17:12,640 may not be terminated within 6 months of a new counselor taking office. 1628 03:17:08,000 --> 03:17:17,359 um it isn't um it was something I just didn't worry about negotiating when I 1629 03:17:14,080 --> 03:17:23,680 came here and um hopefully it never needs to be used. Um I will say there 1630 03:17:21,120 --> 03:17:29,520 was a discussion there was a at the city manager conference this summer there was 1631 03:17:26,080 --> 03:17:32,880 a um a session on city managers contracts. So there was a discussion 1632 03:17:30,800 --> 03:17:36,800 about this and I don't say that to think make you think city managers go to these 1633 03:17:35,200 --> 03:17:42,000 conferences to figure out how we can amend our contracts. Um but there was 1634 03:17:39,760 --> 03:17:45,760 some good discussion about this clause in particular and I think it is a common 1635 03:17:44,080 --> 03:17:50,560 clause uh in what I would call for lack of a 1636 03:17:49,600 --> 03:17:56,239 better word some of the more sophisticated cities and agreements. Um, 1637 03:17:53,760 --> 03:18:02,160 they have other cities where the managers are like contract, you know, 1638 03:17:59,840 --> 03:18:08,000 uh, or some of them are pretty basic, but I would say it's probably 50/50 on 1639 03:18:04,319 --> 03:18:14,000 something like this being included. Um and the reason for it is um there are 1640 03:18:12,160 --> 03:18:21,200 oftent times especially after elections you have a full change over and there is 1641 03:18:18,880 --> 03:18:28,800 an immediate rush to make a change with the city manager which often is not in 1642 03:18:24,560 --> 03:18:33,840 the best interest of the city. Um especially where the city manager and 1643 03:18:30,800 --> 03:18:40,560 staff sometimes can be constant. And so the idea there is that when new people 1644 03:18:36,720 --> 03:18:46,479 take office, they need to kind of work with staff um develop that relationship 1645 03:18:43,920 --> 03:18:54,960 and actually assess them based on working with them rather than kind of 1646 03:18:48,960 --> 03:18:58,479 the campaign trail. And um so uh I think this time more than any other would be 1647 03:18:56,800 --> 03:19:04,960 appropriate. We don't have people rushing in to fill 1648 03:19:01,600 --> 03:19:09,200 vacancies, but it is conceivable that there are six different peop, seven 1649 03:19:06,640 --> 03:19:16,239 different people sitting here a year from now. And um it would be good, let's 1650 03:19:13,520 --> 03:19:22,319 say they all took office in January, that there is some time for us to work 1651 03:19:19,200 --> 03:19:30,000 together um to see if it's a a good fit. And so I think um it's not a cost to the 1652 03:19:26,479 --> 03:19:36,640 city, but I think it adds some stability um when it there can be um rougher or 1653 03:19:34,720 --> 03:19:41,359 more contentious patches. And you sometimes see 1654 03:19:38,640 --> 03:19:45,920 higher volume of turnover um with councils with with managers 1655 03:19:44,000 --> 03:19:54,560 coming and going every two years and whatnot. It's I think a bit of a um 1656 03:19:50,800 --> 03:20:00,560 in uh opportunity to avoid some of that and add some stability. And I don't and 1657 03:19:57,359 --> 03:20:06,399 I don't um I don't want to say that that obviously it benefits the city manager 1658 03:20:02,239 --> 03:20:12,640 as well in terms of um some uh added protection. Um but it it still allows 1659 03:20:09,840 --> 03:20:16,800 the council to ultimately make the same uh separation decisions that the 1660 03:20:14,319 --> 03:20:22,560 contract currently allows. it just uh maybe a bit of a a waiting period or 1661 03:20:19,840 --> 03:20:28,080 cooling off period after an election or um for that to happen. And so I think if 1662 03:20:25,120 --> 03:20:32,560 there was ever a time to um put it on, I think this would be a good time. That 1663 03:20:30,080 --> 03:20:39,439 being said, I hope it's never needed to be used, but um uh not, you know, I've 1664 03:20:37,279 --> 03:20:44,000 seen cities change on the you know, on the with one election and things go a 1665 03:20:42,160 --> 03:20:49,040 completely different direction. And so you never know. Uh, I don't feel like 1666 03:20:46,720 --> 03:20:53,920 there's any concern with that today, but I can't always say for sure in the 1667 03:20:50,720 --> 03:20:58,160 future. And so I think there's a a benefit to the community um as well as 1668 03:20:56,239 --> 03:21:03,840 to the city manager by putting something like that in place. 1669 03:21:00,640 --> 03:21:10,880 » I have um addressed we've chatted a bit about it too. Um, we actually changed or 1670 03:21:08,720 --> 03:21:16,319 discussed changing the original wording from just elected to appointed as well 1671 03:21:13,359 --> 03:21:22,160 because this can come up kind of all of a sudden any time. Uh again, one of the 1672 03:21:19,840 --> 03:21:27,359 things I do when I talk to mayors, I find out what's happening and I follow a 1673 03:21:24,800 --> 03:21:33,200 lot of the news stories and there was a city on the coast here that uh basically 1674 03:21:30,720 --> 03:21:39,520 the one counselor quit and then the mayor quit and the remaining city 1675 03:21:36,239 --> 03:21:48,160 councilors um kicked out the city manager and you know they had to pay a a 1676 03:21:42,880 --> 03:21:53,279 severance for doing that. But um he was I thought a pretty good city manager and 1677 03:21:50,560 --> 03:21:59,600 was leading him the right direction and they just refused it. So I'm uh I'm I 1678 03:21:57,200 --> 03:22:06,479 don't know what's going to happen there. the um I don't know if this I I just 1679 03:22:03,439 --> 03:22:13,760 realized it that a city council that's elected um or appointed I suppose I I 1680 03:22:11,120 --> 03:22:19,520 didn't think of that actually can't be recalled for 6 months 1681 03:22:16,399 --> 03:22:23,760 » so it's kind of the same thing you when you get into office you can't 1682 03:22:21,359 --> 03:22:28,960 immediately recall the city manager you have to wait 6 months just like people 1683 03:22:26,080 --> 03:22:34,319 have to wait six months for you my only uh question was whether it 1684 03:22:31,279 --> 03:22:40,960 should be based on one counselor or more than that and uh I 1685 03:22:38,399 --> 03:22:45,200 because the flexibility is already there if the remaining counselors want him to 1686 03:22:43,600 --> 03:22:50,720 go all they have to do is make an agreement a severance agreement and he's 1687 03:22:47,359 --> 03:22:55,920 gone if they can make him agree to it he him or her so I don't think it really 1688 03:22:53,120 --> 03:23:02,239 changes anything but the the idea is there and so I'm I think I'm fine with 1689 03:22:59,600 --> 03:23:06,399 it being just one counselor either is appointed or changed and that you know 1690 03:23:04,080 --> 03:23:11,840 all of a sudden that changes something. I I just can't see that happening 1691 03:23:09,680 --> 03:23:16,640 particularly with our city manager but you never know. 1692 03:23:15,040 --> 03:23:21,040 So comments >> well I can't either. That's maybe why 1693 03:23:18,800 --> 03:23:28,160 I'm having a hard time crystallizing this. Um but if we look at the last two 1694 03:23:25,439 --> 03:23:33,680 years let's say or almost two years since I was appointed 1695 03:23:30,399 --> 03:23:37,279 » that would be there would there would be the whole time the whole two years this 1696 03:23:35,680 --> 03:23:43,520 would be in place. >> So is that 1697 03:23:41,040 --> 03:23:48,479 » but again you still have the option to come up with an agreement. So you know 1698 03:23:46,000 --> 03:23:56,239 if you really want him out you're going to pay to to get him out. I I guess what 1699 03:23:51,760 --> 03:24:02,080 I'm thinking though is is one counselor going to make a difference and get the 1700 03:23:59,279 --> 03:24:06,640 whole council to fire this person. So I'm I'm I'm thinking you have to have, 1701 03:24:04,560 --> 03:24:13,600 you know, a majority >> and one new counselor on the council is 1702 03:24:10,319 --> 03:24:17,520 going to create that majority. Um and that kind of goes along with what Chris 1703 03:24:15,279 --> 03:24:22,640 is saying. in general if it's 1704 03:24:19,920 --> 03:24:29,120 best practice for >> city manager you know contracts I'm 1705 03:24:25,840 --> 03:24:33,680 » I would say I'd say it's not uncommon I I don't know if there if this would be 1706 03:24:30,960 --> 03:24:37,040 in the best practice category um 1707 03:24:35,200 --> 03:24:43,120 not uncommon uh for those who have taken up and 1708 03:24:38,880 --> 03:24:48,000 discussed it uh but not a I wouldn't say it's standard or anything like that 1709 03:24:44,720 --> 03:24:53,600 » okay well better to be proactive active than reactive. [clears throat] 1710 03:24:50,000 --> 03:24:58,160 » I think six months I think that's if I'm understanding this I [clears throat] 1711 03:24:55,840 --> 03:25:04,880 think that that's totally acceptable. I mean um you got to have an opportunity 1712 03:25:01,760 --> 03:25:10,560 to know somebody before you go onto the path of removing them. Uh my wife's got 1713 03:25:07,840 --> 03:25:16,640 a contract with me for 6 months that I do a moratorum on any remodeling that I 1714 03:25:14,319 --> 03:25:22,720 do on a new house. She says absolutely not. You have to wait six months and 1715 03:25:19,600 --> 03:25:26,160 then after that you know the gloves are off, the hammer comes out and the drill 1716 03:25:24,479 --> 03:25:32,399 goes. So I think that uh I like this idea of 1717 03:25:30,080 --> 03:25:36,880 six months at the very least. You know, you get a chance to know the person that 1718 03:25:34,720 --> 03:25:41,760 you're going to be spending time with and understand them. I guess my concern 1719 03:25:39,520 --> 03:25:44,960 is what councelor Benker brought up is where you could have a situation where 1720 03:25:43,120 --> 03:25:49,760 you have so much transition in counselors that there would never be an 1721 03:25:47,120 --> 03:25:53,200 opportunity. So I I I'm not ready to make a decision on this tonight. I'd 1722 03:25:51,120 --> 03:25:55,439 like to give it more thought and kind of think about it and 1723 03:25:54,080 --> 03:25:58,319 » it would be something that would be brought back for the next time anyways. 1724 03:25:58,080 --> 03:26:01,760 And >> I mean maybe I would be open to a lower 1725 03:25:59,920 --> 03:26:05,359 threshold, but I I could see a situation where we would need to potentially 1726 03:26:03,680 --> 03:26:08,319 remove a city manager. wouldn't be able to because if there was constant 1727 03:26:06,800 --> 03:26:10,800 turnover and that's what I'd be concerned about. 1728 03:26:09,120 --> 03:26:17,600 » I'll see if I can if there are some other options that would could serve the 1729 03:26:15,760 --> 03:26:22,880 same purpose but not be so restrictive 1730 03:26:20,800 --> 03:26:27,920 in light of the last few years that there could never be an opportunity 1731 03:26:25,520 --> 03:26:32,560 because it's not in the city's interest to not be able to let go of a city man. 1732 03:26:30,560 --> 03:26:38,319 » And that's part of our main power we have is the city. Let me give it some 1733 03:26:35,120 --> 03:26:42,960 thought and uh as we come back at the next meeting um I can give you a couple 1734 03:26:41,120 --> 03:26:46,319 of different options to discuss and >> I could potentially see if the majority 1735 03:26:44,479 --> 03:26:52,319 of the council changed maybe there's a higher threshold but one I I I just 1736 03:26:48,880 --> 03:26:57,439 think that could be an issue. >> Spencer, did you say that there is 1737 03:26:54,080 --> 03:27:02,800 precedent for implementing this? >> Yeah, I think I think there are quite a 1738 03:26:59,359 --> 03:27:07,680 few cities that do this. Um can't remember if it was Ashland or 1739 03:27:06,080 --> 03:27:13,040 Corvalis. One of them there were there was a panel discussion. One of them said 1740 03:27:09,200 --> 03:27:17,920 that theirs didn't have a timeline, but it said uh if the city council 1741 03:27:15,840 --> 03:27:23,120 terminates the city manager within 6 months of someone taking office, um the 1742 03:27:20,640 --> 03:27:27,439 city pays out double the severance that the contract currently calls for. 1743 03:27:28,000 --> 03:27:33,713 that might look too good that someone might try to get [laughter] 1744 03:27:34,080 --> 03:27:41,200 off. >> So, um like I said, um 1745 03:27:38,000 --> 03:27:45,520 uh some I would say many cities have it of of the cities that are more 1746 03:27:43,279 --> 03:27:50,033 sophisticated probably 50/50. That's just a total guess. And so, by no means 1747 03:27:48,080 --> 03:27:54,920 is it a standard thing. By no means [clears throat] is it uncommon. 1748 03:27:51,760 --> 03:27:54,920 » Thank you. 1749 03:27:56,080 --> 03:28:05,520 uh just reiterate that I have seen um this transpire and it's not pretty and 1750 03:28:02,239 --> 03:28:10,479 it's definitely not good for the city. Um you know that city's struggling. I 1751 03:28:08,399 --> 03:28:14,319 think they finally appointed an interim but I don't know how long she'll last 1752 03:28:12,720 --> 03:28:20,840 with the council situation. 1753 03:28:16,640 --> 03:28:20,840 We'll see. I hope they succeed. 1754 03:28:21,920 --> 03:28:29,880 Okay. Thank you very much and we are 1755 03:28:26,880 --> 03:28:29,880 adjourned.