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good evening good evening good evening

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um thank you all for being here this

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evening it is September 4th 2024 and

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this is the city council work session um

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we're going to begin the session by um

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the a call to order which I just did

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Pledge of Allegiance if you all stand

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with me

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please I pledge allegiance to the flag

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of the United States of America and to

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the Republic for which it stands one

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nation under God indivisible with

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liberty and justice for

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all okay

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okay before we begin um because this is

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a council meeting and there is priority

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business that does need to be taken care

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of I am requesting of the council that

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we're able to move under new business

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business items two and three the grant

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acceptance and the Professional Services

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agreement to the top before we do um

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introduction of our special guest and

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presentation are there any

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objections all right so Mr

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Pollock thank you mayor I'll be brief so

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the first item is we we have the we got

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the opportunity to add

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$150,000 to the Cascade Trail phase 2A

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uh project this is a project being

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designed inhouse by David Lee who's

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retiring tomorrow and so this will give

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us the capability to finish this project

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and potentially construct it next year

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um it's

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$129,000 of grant funding with2 ,000 of

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match okay are there any questions for

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bail is there a motion Madame mayor I'll

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make a motion to approve thank you do I

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have a second I'll second that thank you

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so I have a motion by councilman lavaka

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second by councilman Burns to accept the

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grant um for the sro2 Cascade Trail West

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extension Phase 2 a all those in favor

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signify by saying I I oppose same sign

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motion carries thank you moving on to

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the second item uh Mr bulock I believe

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this has to do with the professional

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service agreement amendment number two

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yes and so

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currently and I have to make a

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correction on this to the actual uh uh

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Amendment to the contract I said kjl

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instead of klj so I'll make that change

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with your permission but uh currently uh

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kjl is our uh utility rate uh consultant

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and we want to start uh an amendment to

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uh start sorry begin our utility rate

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study for the sewer rates and we have an

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obligation to get a draft by October and

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so by uh establishing this amendment

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today uh we have an opportunity to be

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able to do that without a delay okay any

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questions for

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Bill do I have a motion Madam mayor I do

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so Bill I was just wondering so we're

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getting a consultant to to discuss the

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sewer rate um increase for which years

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for basically 2025 okay and we just did

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rate increase didn't we I believe so but

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from what I understand is we do a rate

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study uh uh every year and so this is

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our consultant that does that for us so

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I'm moving that forward okay so is that

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a is that a policy or is it just

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something we do or um

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because we're paying 18 just to do a

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rate study and then to raise a rate and

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I don't I'm just wondering is we ever

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had it were um the rate study said don't

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raise the rate lower

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it so I really can't answer that

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question because I just don't have the

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history here that'd be something for

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Mark fryberger who's retired um but this

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is an expectation that I was told we

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have and so this is what we're doing and

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this same consultant is doing one for

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storm water but as I said consultant

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with our stormm water comprehensive Plan

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update that's currently underway so

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maybe Charlie do you know if this is a

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mandatory thing that we that we do every

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year we do do it every year we do it but

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are we are we required to adopting rates

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and fees is required by Council each

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year uh doing a rate study is not

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necessarily required by Council each

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year but it's prudent fiscal management

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of the utility the Wastewater utility to

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make sure that we have funds we need to

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do capital projects and maintain our

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operations so I recommend we do it so

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that would be to verify that we're

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covering the costs of them to keep them

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solvent not necessarily that we're just

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raising rates to stay in line with other

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cities we're doing what it's necessary

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to to pay the bills that's correct we

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also have our Wastewater Plant expansion

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coming up in the next few years and I

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think it's critically important at this

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point in particular to make sure that we

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have put away the funding for that that

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need thank you is there a

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motion if if I may make one more

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question Madam May if else absolutely so

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on that rate study um if we do it every

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year is there a is there a trend that we

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see that increase

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in like if it goes up like 2.2 one year

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2.4 one year 2.3 the year we see it's

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roughly at this does it make fiscal

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sense to spend the 18,000 if we know

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it's going to be within that trend line

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is it going to be dramatically different

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guess that I can't so I can say in uh

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past jurisdictions I've been it's

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typical to even do a rate study once

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every three years some do it every year

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it kind of depends on the jurisdiction

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and what they their practices are um if

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you're doing something less often than

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once a year then typically what you're

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doing is you're you know adding a a CPI

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factor or you've you have a planned rate

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increase for every year and so that is a

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way to um do a rate study less

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periodically but then typically if

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you're doing a rate study every three

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years it's more expensive than if you do

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it every year because you know they uh

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when you do a rate study every year my

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priority is you you carry over the data

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from the last time you did it into um

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the current year you're doing it and and

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there's a certain amount of analysis

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that doesn't need to be redone as if

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you're doing it less frequently so uh

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from what I understand that's what this

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jurisdiction typically does and so

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that's what we're proposing to do now

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with that said that's a practice we

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could look at changing in the future

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certainly certainly we

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can so are you saying it's going to cost

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us the same amount whether we do it

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every three years or every year we're

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going to end up no I'm saying if you do

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once every three years or once every

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five whatever your frequency is that's

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going to typically be more than if you

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do it every year because you now have a

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different level of analysis to do

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because you have not maintained that

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analysis year after year so 18K per year

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plus inflation basically no matter what

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we do it's not atypical how's that but

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it wouldn't cost 60,000 for a three-year

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study or or 56,000 for a threeyear

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study hard to really tell you what that

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is it all depends on who's doing

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it um how how the utilities run you know

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what types of things they need to

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investigate if you have large Capital

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Improvements coming up in the

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next um fiscal term or not and and in

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this case we do or we're likely to so

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could we look at that and then you could

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come back and we can table this until we

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have those numbers well I tbling it now

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means we probably would not have one

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done in time for the time period that

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council is or at least what I've been

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told my expectation is we certainly

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could and then if that's okay if we

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bring back the results in November or

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December but then we won't have the

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ability to for instance incorporate that

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into our budget this year either

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councilman ly yeah I just wanted to know

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is this the same company that's been

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doing this for years for CED willly any

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I mean it's been a long time so they

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know the ins and outs that's

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correct that's my understanding anyway

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thank

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you Mayor Johnson yes go ahead um i' I'd

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personally like to see a data Trend o

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over like the past 10 years adding

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inflation um what's that what's that

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done to kind of get a grasp of what we

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would be paying uh I agree with Nick

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that if it's like 2 and a half% every

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year and that's what we know it is and

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that's been well

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established um backing the inflation out

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of it um i' I'd like to see those

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numbers and then and then either pull

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the trigger on it or not if

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that's if that's something we can get

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rather quickly that'd be

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helpful sure I can try

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it I'm sorry one one other thing to note

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is we do have uh upcoming in in the next

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couple years uh upgrades to the

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wastewater treatment plan and that is

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actually the bigger piece of the rate

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study as Bill mentioned um to make sure

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that we are saving appropriately for

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that and best using um our fiscal

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resources to make that as low cost as

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possible because debt uh costs the city

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money so we're trying to reduce our debt

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and and be really smart about that um

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and this is what the consultant helps us

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do not just the rate next year but how

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will that rate help us in the really

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near future when we're going to have to

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start start working on that project um

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and funding for that project so my

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recommendation is um along along with

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Bill and Charlie's uh is to have this

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cons and come in this year especially

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given we're going to have a lot of

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capital projects in the ne next couple

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years and it's crucial

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we have the correct rate

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now go ahead I'll respond to that Kelly

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um so klj or is it kjl I you mix me up a

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little bit whichever one it is

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um KJ klj So within this same study

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would we be and if we're looking for a

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data Trend we can get that pretty

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quickly but most certainly that can be

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if I would expect that to be part of the

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study be if we can also have them do a a

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uh an impact study on development to go

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along with that like as Kelly said we're

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getting ready to rebuild our sewer plant

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um it shouldn't all come out of the

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current rate payers some of it should

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some of the development should pay for

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our expansion sure and I would expect

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part of the rate study would also be a

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potential recommendation for what the

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GFC we call it GFC or GFF but as new

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development come in comes in they have

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kind of a buy into the system called the

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general facility charge and I would

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assume that could have a recommended

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increase potentially as well so new

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development is paying more of their fair

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share for that that's good point if we

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had answers on that I'd feel comfortable

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voting on it next

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week or next week we have me right in

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two in two weeks and when when's this

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answer due

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by well part of the obligation was to

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have a preliminary report available for

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the October 9th Public Works committee

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meeting and that's what I'm targeting

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but we could certainly um you'll have a

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report in late October or November we

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just wouldn't be able to put it through

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the committee first well it's a first

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first read too um so I think you know

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waiting for a second read or if we want

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a motion a table it that works too but I

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would take a second read I work at the

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pleasure of the council

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so so am I understanding correctly that

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if you don't do the rate study now then

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you won't know what to budget for in

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next year's budget in time or I won't

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necessarily say that I would say uh that

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will influence what we um propose for an

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event the budget for this year going

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into that that's part of what that is

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I would say that the uh analysis done by

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the consultant is extremely extremely

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thorough and not something that um I I

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have the myself have the capacity or the

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anyone in the finance department has the

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capacity to complete there's a lot of

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there's a lot of considerations um in

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that so we can of course provide a trend

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of what our rate has been um but it

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doesn't necessarily indicate what our

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future 2025 rate needs to

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be

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um so ju just putting out putting out

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that information that we don't currently

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have the capacity within the city to

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complete this thorough analysis ourself

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we do uh do rate studies ourselves for

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solid waste for solid waste which has a

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little bit although they you know

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there's has its own complexity it's not

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quite as complex

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as you know um it's not quite as complex

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as a sewer utility or storm water

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utility I think we're just looking for

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the two weeks and get the data and it

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would be hard pressed to um maybe we

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should have got this before us sooner if

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we were that crunched on time I don't

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know but two weeks doesn't sound like a

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large amount of time to to ask and see

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the trends and see the data and I mean I

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know that it were coming up on a capital

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project but a lot of that Capital

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project I thought was already in plans

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and being funded according to my

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discussions with Mark fryberger that we

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had that in motion so you know we're

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we're I think last year they also

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included that we would be needing a

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capital Improvement project so it's the

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same information every year that's what

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I'm saying um I would be in favor of

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just waiting for two weeks and then

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getting that data before us or finding

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away wouldn't it be next week I'll make

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a make a motion for next week if it's

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one week on the 11th I will second okay

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we have a motion to delay um this um

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um let me look the professional service

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agreement until September 11th is there

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any more

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discussion Madam mayor Ju Just to note

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that that is challenging for staff

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because today is Wednesday

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and we put out the packet by the end of

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the day Friday probably will be

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September 24th meeting and that that is

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a pretty challenging timeline but don't

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they already include Trend data in their

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analysis report so can't you just pull

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up last year's report and pull the trend

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data out from their report or look at

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the last and just say hey this last five

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years we've increase the rate this much

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based on that consultant it doesn't have

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to be super thorough I'll take a look

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thank you Bill appreciate that I mean if

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I can get it get something out for

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September 11th meeting I will if not we

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can wait till the 2 you know the 24th is

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the next council meeting after that

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because I want to get you the right

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information I don't want to get you okay

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but so that we're not ex um uh setting

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high expectations there is that

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possibility that when it comes time to

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vote upon the budget we may not have the

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correct data and right well I would say

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that um you know it it it will be a less

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confident and

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accurate U recommendation which is fine

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we can do that too um but certainly then

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we um you know may have to

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have um we may have to make that up the

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following year to a certain extent if if

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we adopt a rate study that's U lower

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than we than the analysis recommends

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that's all it is okay

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okay so if there's no more discussion or

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questions we do have a motion on the

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table by lav councilman lavaka seconded

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by councilman handerson to delay um this

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current agreement all those in favor

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signify by saying I I oppos same

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sign okay so I want to State for the

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record I see where councilman Paul cooch

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has come online and so um all council

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members are here in chamber tonight

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present in the meeting okay

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um thank you

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for uh working through that next we have

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a um presentation uh but regarding the

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golden eye battery energy storage system

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project

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presentation um I want to thank our

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guests for coming in here tonight I know

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that some of you traveled a great

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distance to be here at our request so

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that you could do a presentation for the

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council um as part of the decorum I am

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requesting that there is respect and um

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professionalism shown by the audience um

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they are our guests they are here to

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present to the council and so with that

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I will introduce them um the first

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is Nicole DS and Nicole DS is community

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relations she's a manager community

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relations Tommy Nelson is the lead

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project

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developer vasu panipati is the vice

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president inine engineering and

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construction retired captain and

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assistant Fire Marshall Mike Nichols is

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the energy storage specialist and fire

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consultant Hiller

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companies and Brad Cole is the senior

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project

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manager so um with that we will turn

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this over to you I don't know who's

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starting will that be you all right

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thank you Nicole absolutely good evening

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everyone um Mayor Johnson council

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members uh thank you for allowing us to

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be here um my name is Nicole DS um I am

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manager of community relations at tanasa

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um the company that is developing the

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golden eye energy storage project um

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tanasa is a NE Omaha Nebraska based

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company uh with over 35 years of

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experience in the energy space and a

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long history of um developing

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constructing and safely operating um

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facilities all over the country so thank

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you first we want to uh thank you for

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inviting us here uh this evening to be

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able to share an overview of the project

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with you um and answer any of your

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questions um we also want to thank those

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of you that are in the audience um that

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may be had been in attendance at the uh

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recent fsec hearing um those of you that

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were able to share your thoughts um at

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both at the hearing and on our project

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website as well as um to FC um this

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proposed project is um in its very early

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stages uh for a um an extensive

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permitting process um but we welcome um

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the engagement involvement um of

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everyone um at each step um so today um

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with me I have uh subject matter experts

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in development um in

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engineering uh in environmental and

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safety um and again my role is in

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community engagement so I welcome um any

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one of you um that would like to to

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discuss um your concerns directly um but

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I think right now I'll turn it over to

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Tommy Nelson who is our lead project

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developer uh to dive into the project

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but uh again thank you for your time

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this evening

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thanks Nicole uh next slide

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please so and thanks again to the city

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council and to Mayor Johnson for

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inviting us to present and uh to the

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members of public here in attendance um

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want to start our presentation here by

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sharing some information about the

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process that leads to a project like

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this even being

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introduced uh it begins with local

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utilities identifying energy needs uh in

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the case of Washington the plans call

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for an addition of significant battery

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energy storage capacity uh the cedra

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Wooly substation was identified as one

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of the ideal locations for a best

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project utilities then issue requests

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for proposals to meet those needs and

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developers respond with projects that

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serve the public interest and those

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projects enter pering

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review We are one of many developers

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offering to leverage our expertise and

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experience to support these priorities

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uh next slide

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please why are the utilities looking to

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add best to the grid well uh the

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underlying reasons for this are well

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known to some of you but uh for others

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in short the reason is Washington's

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power grid is strained and the potential

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for energy shortages which can lead to

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blackouts and brown outs uh during

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periods of peak demand are on the

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horizon additionally the trans

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transition to clean energy leaves the

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grid dependent on intermittent resources

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such as wind and solar that do not

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produce when the sun isn't shining or

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when the wind is not blowing energy

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storage is a viable and critical way to

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keep the lights on for homes businesses

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and

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infrastructure and it's why best

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facilities are being considered in every

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corner of the Pacific Northwest not just

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scet

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County next slide

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please these are a few of the uh

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headlines and media clips that uh have

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come out recently uh public attention on

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these issues has has definitely

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increased local and Regional media

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Outlets have begun exploring the impact

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of the grid and energy challenges and

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the need for Solutions next slide

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please now we can uh go into the next

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slide

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please uh now we talk about how the best

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projects themselves work

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in a very simple way uh what they're

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doing is storing energy that is

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generated during periods of peak

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production so that power can be

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delivered during periods of peak demand

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or when there is a shortage of energy

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being

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produced uh next

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slide and this uh is just a you know

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Source from PGE But A visual

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representation that kind of help

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understand what is is effectively

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happening here there's intermittent

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resources when solar Etc and batteries

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kind of fit in that middle range between

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the generation and the end

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user um go ahead to the next slide

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please so a little bit about the history

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of Bess uh lithium ion technology first

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came around in the

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1980s uh commercialized in the early 90s

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really didn't uh emerge at the utility

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scale level until the early

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2000s um it's important to not

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there's a big difference between the

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utility scale best projects such as the

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golden eye project and other lithium ion

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00:25:05,919 --> 00:25:08,600
uses such as cell phones e scooters

553
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,039
electric vehicle

554
00:25:10,039 --> 00:25:12,440
batteries and utility scale best

555
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,080
projects have been intensely researched

556
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,399
by National Laboratories including

557
00:25:17,399 --> 00:25:19,919
Pacific Northwest National Lab pnnl here

558
00:25:19,919 --> 00:25:22,559
in Eastern Washington uh and today these

559
00:25:22,559 --> 00:25:24,320
projects are being proposed in every

560
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:33,070
corner of the state next slide please

561
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,240
an important aspect of how these

562
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:36,559
projects get cited and where they're

563
00:25:36,559 --> 00:25:38,279
located

564
00:25:38,279 --> 00:25:42,640
uh where they are is um to understand

565
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,279
what criteria are considered when we're

566
00:25:44,279 --> 00:25:45,880
citing one of these

567
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,080
projects first and foremost they must be

568
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,720
placed in close proximity to utility

569
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,039
substations this means best projects are

570
00:25:53,039 --> 00:25:55,880
built in areas with a history coexisting

571
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:59,080
with existing with electric

572
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,279
infrastructure uh pictured here is the

573
00:26:01,279 --> 00:26:03,760
cedra Wooly substation from an aerial

574
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,760
view uh approximately 14 acre industrial

575
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,240
facility less than half a mile from the

576
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,679
proposed site for Golden ey like the

577
00:26:11,679 --> 00:26:13,640
proposed golden eye project the facility

578
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:15,520
is heavily regulated to ensure

579
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,440
environmental safety and Community

580
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:22,149
compliance next slide

581
00:26:22,159 --> 00:26:24,440
please one of the first questions in

582
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:26,440
response to any proposed project is

583
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,799
safety and this is the top priority to

584
00:26:28,799 --> 00:26:30,919
NASA in the development of battery

585
00:26:30,919 --> 00:26:34,440
energy storage systems we work with top

586
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,000
experts in the field and coordinate

587
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:37,679
closely with local first responder

588
00:26:37,679 --> 00:26:40,600
agencies in every step of the process a

589
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,320
small number of incidents have been well

590
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,440
publicized but are extremely rare and

591
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:45,799
the industry has learned how to best

592
00:26:45,799 --> 00:26:47,799
prevent them from happening and respond

593
00:26:47,799 --> 00:26:50,679
them to them effectively when they do

594
00:26:50,679 --> 00:26:52,559
and that's one of the reasons we have

595
00:26:52,559 --> 00:26:54,520
our uh technical experts here this

596
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,880
evening for you guys to ask

597
00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:02,350
questions uh next slide

598
00:27:02,360 --> 00:27:04,760
please the golden ey project

599
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:06,919
specifically will utilize the safest and

600
00:27:06,919 --> 00:27:08,640
most Advanced Technologies available

601
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,679
which will meet or exceed all applicable

602
00:27:10,679 --> 00:27:13,600
codes and standards independent experts

603
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,760
and local fire authorities are consulted

604
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,399
at every Stage Standard here standards

605
00:27:18,399 --> 00:27:20,559
here in Washington have been updated and

606
00:27:20,559 --> 00:27:22,240
new best projects being built are

607
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,200
subject to significantly more stringent

608
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:25,760
requirements than they were at the

609
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:33,310
outset next slide

610
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:37,190
okay you can go ahead to the next

611
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,000
one the proposed location of the project

612
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,080
is shown here in this picture just uh

613
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,600
north east of the substation and as we

614
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,159
discussed previously the golden eye

615
00:27:48,159 --> 00:27:50,080
project is proposed to be located next

616
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,279
to an existing industrial footprint the

617
00:27:52,279 --> 00:27:53,679
Cedro wooly

618
00:27:53,679 --> 00:27:56,120
substation um we will collaborate with

619
00:27:56,120 --> 00:27:59,320
local stakeholders on any m measures and

620
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,200
just as with the substation the facility

621
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,600
will coexist with the surrounding

622
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:07,760
environment the site is zoned for uh to

623
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,000
allow major utility developments as a

624
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,720
special use which uh this project has

625
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,399
been designated by scet

626
00:28:15,399 --> 00:28:21,990
County next slide

627
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,159
please uh there were a number of

628
00:28:24,159 --> 00:28:25,679
concerns that were raised at the FC

629
00:28:25,679 --> 00:28:27,480
hearing that I would like to kind of

630
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,399
address um ultimately what I'm about to

631
00:28:30,399 --> 00:28:32,000
share with you will have to be validated

632
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,880
by the scientific processes that FC

633
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,120
employs uh the facility will not be

634
00:28:37,120 --> 00:28:39,200
allowed to move forward if it doesn't

635
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,120
comply uh first that the project has a

636
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,159
low elevation profile it will be

637
00:28:44,159 --> 00:28:46,880
consistent with the current view shed uh

638
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:48,919
second the project will not release any

639
00:28:48,919 --> 00:28:51,159
emissions or radiation from the

640
00:28:51,159 --> 00:28:53,480
batteries uh leakage cannot occur

641
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,360
because there is no free liquid inside

642
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,600
the batteries again it's important to

643
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:58,640
understand the difference between

644
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,240
utility scale best and other lithium ion

645
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,919
uses as well as battery chemistries that

646
00:29:03,919 --> 00:29:05,000
are not

647
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,399
comparable the facility will comply with

648
00:29:07,399 --> 00:29:09,799
local noise ordinances as does the

649
00:29:09,799 --> 00:29:12,240
substation next door specifically they

650
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,120
will comply with scet county code

651
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:15,720
chapter

652
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,000
9.50 uh in addition to the Washington

653
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,360
Administrative

654
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,919
Code while this project is in a 100-year

655
00:29:22,919 --> 00:29:24,640
flood plane all the project components

656
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:28,360
will be raised above the uh those levels

657
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,279
and as part of the construction and

658
00:29:30,279 --> 00:29:31,919
approval of this there will be

659
00:29:31,919 --> 00:29:34,000
enhancements to the stream buffers and

660
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:35,760
we are prepared to make whatever

661
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,240
Investments are required of us in that

662
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:43,590
regard uh next slide

663
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,159
please uh

664
00:29:46,159 --> 00:29:49,559
so during the uh you know process of

665
00:29:49,559 --> 00:29:51,000
entitling this project and working

666
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,159
through the FC approval process um one

667
00:29:54,159 --> 00:29:56,480
of the things that will happen is uh we

668
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,519
will develop as part of the the building

669
00:29:58,519 --> 00:30:01,399
permit process and emergency response

670
00:30:01,399 --> 00:30:05,679
plan uh that will kind of outline all of

671
00:30:05,679 --> 00:30:07,440
the rigorous safety protocols that will

672
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,840
apply to the specific battery chemistry

673
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:11,919
and manufacturer that gets selected for

674
00:30:11,919 --> 00:30:15,120
this project uh but what we have done

675
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,080
all along is engaged with Fire District

676
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,679
8 with the scet County fire marshall uh

677
00:30:19,679 --> 00:30:21,320
We've included the scet county

678
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,159
department of urgency Emergency

679
00:30:23,159 --> 00:30:25,600
Management we've uh brought in fire

680
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,320
protection Engineers to make sure that

681
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,360
we're having you know the experts that

682
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,159
are helping to craft these codes

683
00:30:32,159 --> 00:30:34,519
speaking to the first responding

684
00:30:34,519 --> 00:30:38,039
agencies um we also want to mention that

685
00:30:38,039 --> 00:30:39,399
you know when this project gets

686
00:30:39,399 --> 00:30:42,480
commissioned it will have a manufacturer

687
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,200
Le safety training uh that includes all

688
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,720
of the First Responders and then

689
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,000
additionally uh by anually throughout

690
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:51,960
the life of the project there will be a

691
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,039
repeated uh version of that training and

692
00:30:55,039 --> 00:30:57,120
that's as the code gets updated we're

693
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:01,440
capturing updates to the NFPA and that's

694
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,880
uh you know capturing turnover and first

695
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,159
responder agencies too so that uh newer

696
00:31:07,159 --> 00:31:08,679
folks are are getting the training for

697
00:31:08,679 --> 00:31:09,840
those

698
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:14,430
facilities uh next slide

699
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,519
please these uh facilities do come with

700
00:31:17,519 --> 00:31:20,120
a host of monitoring and security uh

701
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,200
features and it's important to know that

702
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,720
these will be monitored 247 by several

703
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,320
different agencies uh first and foremost

704
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:28,880
the

705
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,600
uh the best manufacturer the actual

706
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,279
manufacturer of the technology and

707
00:31:34,279 --> 00:31:36,159
whoever the owner and operator of the

708
00:31:36,159 --> 00:31:39,840
system ends up being uh and then the

709
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:41,760
we'll have a third party uh safety

710
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,080
monitor such as Hiller companies or some

711
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,080
other uh company such as that and then

712
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,360
Additionally the oftaking utility will

713
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,200
also be monitoring this 247 so there's

714
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:53,840
at least four separate entities that are

715
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,760
going to be monitoring this facility

716
00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:00,519
24/7 during for the entire uh operation

717
00:32:00,519 --> 00:32:02,399
lifetime there will be regularly

718
00:32:02,399 --> 00:32:05,200
scheduled on-site maintenance uh in

719
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,200
addition to it being remotely monitored

720
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,360
and we will have you know cameras on

721
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:13,760
site to monitor it remotely for um any

722
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:19,590
uh need there uh next slide

723
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,440
please the project is designed to last

724
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,679
for between uh 20 and 30 years and there

725
00:32:25,679 --> 00:32:28,440
will be ongoing maintenance requirements

726
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,720
at the site um but it's not an an

727
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:36,240
everyday thing uh there will be uh

728
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,480
augmentation of batteries somewhere

729
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,639
along the way where old units get

730
00:32:40,639 --> 00:32:42,240
swapped out for newer

731
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:46,000
units um and then as part of the

732
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:47,840
approval with fsec we're required to

733
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,120
submit a decommissioning plan for the

734
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,159
eventual removal of the project if it's

735
00:32:52,159 --> 00:32:56,480
not uh re-energized at at the end of its

736
00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:00,639
permit or or uh Project Life Cycle and

737
00:33:00,639 --> 00:33:03,320
uh that governs the decommissioning of

738
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,799
the project and recycling of the uh any

739
00:33:06,799 --> 00:33:08,399
applicable materials on the project like

740
00:33:08,399 --> 00:33:09,200
the

741
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:15,029
batteries uh next slide

742
00:33:15,039 --> 00:33:19,679
please and here are a couple of um

743
00:33:19,679 --> 00:33:21,919
visual representations of the project

744
00:33:21,919 --> 00:33:23,279
that are included in our fsec

745
00:33:23,279 --> 00:33:25,760
application that I'm sure uh many of you

746
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:29,840
have seen uh the top shows the existing

747
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:31,880
conditions along minkler Road along the

748
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:33,360
north side of the

749
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,080
project

750
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:39,559
uh where the overhead um transmission

751
00:33:39,559 --> 00:33:44,559
lines are and the bottom shows proposed

752
00:33:44,559 --> 00:33:47,799
conditions with uh you know vegetative

753
00:33:47,799 --> 00:33:53,399
buffering and uh a block

754
00:33:53,399 --> 00:34:00,629
wall next slide please

755
00:34:00,639 --> 00:34:03,080
these are a couple more views from the

756
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,480
opposite direction on minkler

757
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:11,190
road next slide

758
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,440
please so as I mentioned before uh you

759
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:15,679
you don't have to take our word for it

760
00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:17,480
that the project will integrate with the

761
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,760
local community and uh you'll have FC to

762
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,280
fall back on um it's the responsibility

763
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,720
of the of an independent state agency to

764
00:34:25,720 --> 00:34:27,200
determine whether the project can be

765
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,639
built if it's approved for construction

766
00:34:29,639 --> 00:34:31,320
the project will then be overseen by the

767
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,119
utilities and Transportation Commission

768
00:34:33,119 --> 00:34:35,079
and fsec will be responsible for

769
00:34:35,079 --> 00:34:37,919
ensuring that it remains in compliance

770
00:34:37,919 --> 00:34:40,599
with all of its project conditions of

771
00:34:40,599 --> 00:34:44,119
approval next next slide

772
00:34:44,119 --> 00:34:47,159
please and finally uh if project does

773
00:34:47,159 --> 00:34:49,560
move forward uh it will deliver benefits

774
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,760
to the local community in for in forms

775
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,280
of jobs uh tax revenue and local energy

776
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,960
reliability

777
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:02,589
uh you know this project represents

778
00:35:02,599 --> 00:35:05,359
a I was gonna say thank you a

779
00:35:05,359 --> 00:35:06,920
substantial investment in the community

780
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,680
and will be responsible for uh

781
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:11,560
approximately 75

782
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:17,270
jobs uh next slide

783
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,839
please and finally uh I wanted to thank

784
00:35:20,839 --> 00:35:22,359
all of you for giving us an opportunity

785
00:35:22,359 --> 00:35:25,599
to present um happy to take the

786
00:35:25,599 --> 00:35:28,119
council's questions and we'll definitely

787
00:35:28,119 --> 00:35:31,040
be listening for comments uh you know in

788
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,480
the upcoming weeks and as a reminder

789
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,200
these are the ways that people can get

790
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,960
us information or questions and uh the

791
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,079
project will do its best to

792
00:35:41,079 --> 00:35:44,480
respond all right thank you thank you um

793
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,320
and I'd also like to I know we we kind

794
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,200
of got the introduction earlier but this

795
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,359
is vasu pinapati uh vice president of

796
00:35:50,359 --> 00:35:52,200
engineering construction and Mike

797
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:53,880
Nicholas from Hiller companies they're

798
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,040
also here to answer any technical

799
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,720
questions or more from the uh fire

800
00:35:58,720 --> 00:36:01,160
safety standpoint all right thank you

801
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:02,680
I'm going to open up questions to the

802
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,079
council go ahead councilman Burns thank

803
00:36:05,079 --> 00:36:07,480
you madam mayor so would I be correct in

804
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,400
assuming a fire would be the worst case

805
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,280
scenario at one of these

806
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,839
facilities I I think that's relative but

807
00:36:14,839 --> 00:36:17,160
that would certainly be bad okay and you

808
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:18,880
said that it doesn't leak but I'm

809
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:22,359
curious uh once there's a fire is there

810
00:36:22,359 --> 00:36:24,040
the potential for that to then get into

811
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,440
the groundwater at that point if they're

812
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,079
spraying it off with fire hose rain you

813
00:36:29,079 --> 00:36:31,520
know what is the potential uh ground

814
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,640
penetration because we have that uh

815
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:35,800
Creek Hansen Creek right next to it so

816
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,400
that is a big concern for me sure um

817
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,599
it's a good question it's been asked uh

818
00:36:41,599 --> 00:36:45,560
and I would say that the uh you know

819
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,480
General consensus with the First

820
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,200
Responders now is that water is not used

821
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:54,040
as a method of putting uh of of putting

822
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:58,440
one of the units out U I'll let

823
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,119
Mike elaborate

824
00:37:01,119 --> 00:37:05,079
any thank you mayor and Council uh the

825
00:37:05,079 --> 00:37:06,440
culture within the fire department is

826
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,040
changing as a result of the technology

827
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,640
that's emerging uh Kern County was the

828
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:13,400
kind of Ground Zero for these projects I

829
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,560
was the assistant Fire Marshal there I

830
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,480
was in charge of Permitting witness

831
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:21,920
testing and uh overall oversight of the

832
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:23,680
entire project which is now the largest

833
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,040
battery energy storage project in the

834
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,599
world at 3.2 gwatt hours and I was was

835
00:37:27,599 --> 00:37:28,839
mentioning to Chief earlier that that

836
00:37:28,839 --> 00:37:30,200
was like trying to swallow an elephant

837
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,640
hole I had no basis or understanding of

838
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,560
what this technology was much less the

839
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,359
impact on the firefighting culture we're

840
00:37:38,359 --> 00:37:40,560
used to engaging directly trying to

841
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,599
extinguish a fire anytime that there's a

842
00:37:42,599 --> 00:37:44,960
hazard we're proactive in taking an

843
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,680
approach we look at these fires more

844
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,119
from a perspective of isolate and deny

845
00:37:50,119 --> 00:37:53,119
entry observe and contain because

846
00:37:53,119 --> 00:37:54,640
extinguishment or attempts to actually

847
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:58,480
extinguish the fire can create secondary

848
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,319
concerns like you mentioned if we put a

849
00:38:00,319 --> 00:38:03,000
lot of water on there you know you have

850
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,079
water now that's going to be as a

851
00:38:05,079 --> 00:38:07,400
byproduct of that particular incident

852
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,319
and it's unnecessary because these fires

853
00:38:09,319 --> 00:38:11,119
are really and enclosures are designed

854
00:38:11,119 --> 00:38:13,920
to consume themselves completely and the

855
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,560
less we engage them directly and

856
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,960
interfere with that process uh when we

857
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:23,000
do apply water we elongate the incident

858
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:24,280
and I know a lot of incidents of

859
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:25,720
reference that are happening right now

860
00:38:25,720 --> 00:38:28,920
are from OT Mesa down in San Diego we've

861
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,839
got uh Moss Landing in montere chandeler

862
00:38:32,839 --> 00:38:35,280
Arizona but these were all incidents

863
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,040
that took place with indoor

864
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,680
installations where the ability and the

865
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,800
luxury of disengaging wasn't an option

866
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:45,640
you had secondary exposures which were

867
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,040
the building themselves that needed to

868
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:49,560
be addressed so that they didn't become

869
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,800
part of the incident in an outdoor

870
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,119
installation which is the ideal the

871
00:38:54,119 --> 00:38:56,640
enclosure can be managed and monitored

872
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,440
it can consume it itself it's going to

873
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,359
be out much quicker if we don't apply

874
00:39:00,359 --> 00:39:02,359
water or extinguishing agents to delay

875
00:39:02,359 --> 00:39:03,680
the inevitable which is the full

876
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:07,319
consumption and basically the

877
00:39:07,319 --> 00:39:11,560
uh it's the ideal sort of environment uh

878
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,720
in a fire to let it consume itself

879
00:39:14,720 --> 00:39:18,560
entirely so that we don't have a longer

880
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,880
term you know Incident That's committing

881
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,079
resources that's committing secondary

882
00:39:23,079 --> 00:39:25,640
resources like water so this is a change

883
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:27,000
in culture for the fire department and

884
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,280
one of my jobs is to be traveling the

885
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,240
country teaching fire departments and

886
00:39:31,240 --> 00:39:34,200
and offering that level of training to

887
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,319
help change the mindset so that we're

888
00:39:36,319 --> 00:39:38,760
looking at not an incident that's ATA

889
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:40,560
last 10 days and you're committing

890
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,480
hundreds of firefighters to the incident

891
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,880
because it was a generation of batteries

892
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:47,480
that Tommy mentioned

893
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,200
wasn't held to the same standards so we

894
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,400
have learned a lot over the years when

895
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,560
this first started it was 2019 in my

896
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,560
jurisdiction we're now 5 years later

897
00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:59,440
half a decade and so what we're seeing

898
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,680
is that these Technologies uh the codes

899
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,880
that are regulating them have evolved

900
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,119
from the lessons learned and so these

901
00:40:06,119 --> 00:40:08,760
enclosures are now the biggest

902
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,000
consideration in NFP 855 which I just

903
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:12,880
sat in the committee meeting in Atlanta

904
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,560
last week is that these enclosures are

905
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:17,720
designed to not propagate between one

906
00:40:17,720 --> 00:40:19,560
another so you're not going to show up

907
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,560
to an entire battery storage yard with a

908
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,400
fire you're going to be facing at worst

909
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,319
case a single enclosure that's on fire

910
00:40:27,319 --> 00:40:28,800
and the best thing that can happen in

911
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,760
that instance is to isolate deny entry

912
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,160
observe and contain the

913
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:37,079
incident May if I might follow up on

914
00:40:37,079 --> 00:40:39,800
that um so you said it would totally

915
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,599
consume itself so what's left I mean it

916
00:40:42,599 --> 00:40:45,240
rains a lot here what's left is there

917
00:40:45,240 --> 00:40:46,480
going to be something that's going to

918
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:50,359
end up in that uh that Waterway uh you

919
00:40:50,359 --> 00:40:52,240
know is it going to be a metal container

920
00:40:52,240 --> 00:40:54,720
that's left is it going to be uh a

921
00:40:54,720 --> 00:40:56,280
different chemical compound what's going

922
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,200
to be left behind after for that process

923
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:02,480
of the fire and then uh the other

924
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,920
followup I had was uh if you're going to

925
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,000
let that burn the chemicals that are

926
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,520
released from it um how toxic is that

927
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,640
what kind of a range uh is that going to

928
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:15,599
travel as far as safety or we going to

929
00:41:15,599 --> 00:41:18,280
have to evacuate a certain area right

930
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,319
and so we've seen in the incidents of

931
00:41:20,319 --> 00:41:22,440
reference that when the fire is allowed

932
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,599
to actually burn at its normal rate the

933
00:41:24,599 --> 00:41:26,520
toxics are consumed in the fire and the

934
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,280
rate horizontal spread is minimal by

935
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,960
comparison the the rate of travel of the

936
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:33,640
most

937
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,200
uh how shall I say so carbon monoxide

938
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,960
travels horizontally the most and that

939
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,200
still is not very far from the enclosure

940
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:42,520
so when we show up as First Responders

941
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:44,400
we're using our for gas meters and

942
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:45,760
that's going to be what establishes the

943
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:49,800
edge of that exclusion zone for us and

944
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,599
that isn't traveling more than you

945
00:41:53,599 --> 00:41:56,160
know it's not traveling far enough away

946
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,280
to impact the community

947
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,790
so when we're looking at

948
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,839
this yeah it's kind of a vague answer I

949
00:42:04,839 --> 00:42:07,000
I get that it changes

950
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:11,030
but

951
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:14,319
what one of the

952
00:42:14,319 --> 00:42:18,599
so uh thank you I need all of you to not

953
00:42:18,599 --> 00:42:20,760
speak until public Comon if that's when

954
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,640
you want to speak um right now these are

955
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,119
our guests to our city your guests our

956
00:42:26,119 --> 00:42:30,880
guests so I am asking that we show

957
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,760
respect one of the things I would just

958
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,720
say to your question too is those are

959
00:42:36,720 --> 00:42:39,040
all questions that get answered when the

960
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,079
emergency response plans get developed

961
00:42:41,079 --> 00:42:44,160
for these projects as kind of the next

962
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:47,800
step in their uh you know as they get

963
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,589
closer to

964
00:42:50,599 --> 00:42:53,839
construction go ahead yeah I'll just add

965
00:42:53,839 --> 00:42:55,559
that

966
00:42:55,559 --> 00:42:58,800
uh prior to issuing the building permits

967
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:02,200
for construction we will provide uh uh

968
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,800
emergency response plan hazardous

969
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:06,760
mitigation analysis which is what I

970
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:08,559
think you're referring to and also a

971
00:43:08,559 --> 00:43:11,520
plume analysis we will demonstrate that

972
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,640
in the event of a thermal runaway SL

973
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,520
battery fire you know how the toxic

974
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:19,920
gases and how far they travel what are

975
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,559
those toxic gases levels we will conduct

976
00:43:22,559 --> 00:43:25,000
a plume analysis in the neighborhood of

977
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,480
the facility and provide it as as part

978
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,520
of the uh emergency response plan prior

979
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:32,880
to issuing the building construction so

980
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:34,280
the fire department will have an

981
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,880
opportunity to review those documents

982
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:40,230
before issuing the building

983
00:43:40,240 --> 00:43:42,720
permits go ahead counc Henderson all

984
00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:46,119
right thank you um just to follow up on

985
00:43:46,119 --> 00:43:48,440
uh what Joe brought up under your

986
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:52,000
proposed fire protection plan section 5A

987
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,880
subsection 3 adequate water supply is

988
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:58,359
critical to the fire protection system

989
00:43:58,359 --> 00:44:00,440
so there's a fire protection system that

990
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,800
puts out water in in your guys's

991
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:09,000
proposed plan so um how much water uh it

992
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,280
it goes on to State volume duration

993
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,640
pressure and flow so how much water is

994
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,640
that and has it this even been confirmed

995
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:18,520
with our local public utility district

996
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:22,319
that we can that we can provide

997
00:44:22,319 --> 00:44:25,760
that as part of our initial Outreach

998
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,240
with scet County they identified that

999
00:44:28,240 --> 00:44:30,319
the

1000
00:44:30,319 --> 00:44:32,440
um the water needs weren't going to be

1001
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:34,599
able to be met by the city water line

1002
00:44:34,599 --> 00:44:36,280
that runs along minkler road so the

1003
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,520
project was asked to upgrade the water

1004
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:42,480
line from uh you know a little way back

1005
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,720
up to the the project it's approximately

1006
00:44:45,720 --> 00:44:48,880
2600 feet of water line and then after

1007
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:50,359
the construction of the project it would

1008
00:44:50,359 --> 00:44:52,280
be dedicated over to the Public

1009
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:53,760
Utilities

1010
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:58,280
District okay um thank you and um could

1011
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:00,800
you could you address the part about the

1012
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,119
the adequate water supply is critical to

1013
00:45:03,119 --> 00:45:05,760
fire protection system because we just

1014
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:07,480
listened to you tell us that you just

1015
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,200
let these things burn out but there's a

1016
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,520
fire protection system I so when we're

1017
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:13,760
looking at fir water especially in

1018
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:14,880
current County one of the things that

1019
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:16,800
we're looking at is not for

1020
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:18,800
extinguishment and suppression but for

1021
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:20,760
exposure protection so you can cool

1022
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,079
ajacent enclosures if the heat is

1023
00:45:23,079 --> 00:45:24,680
beginning to negatively impact the

1024
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:28,160
adjacent enclosure so it is for

1025
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,280
protection and not for

1026
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,440
extinguishment so mad

1027
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:36,119
Maya so is this considered a combustible

1028
00:45:36,119 --> 00:45:40,280
metal the lithium in there how hot is

1029
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:41,359
the rate of

1030
00:45:41,359 --> 00:45:44,319
burn if it does did catch

1031
00:45:44,319 --> 00:45:46,599
fire depending on the depending on the

1032
00:45:46,599 --> 00:45:47,960
hazard mitigation analysis the

1033
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:49,760
technology that's used has different

1034
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,240
compositions that's actually going to be

1035
00:45:52,240 --> 00:45:54,720
a determining Factor on the heat flux

1036
00:45:54,720 --> 00:45:57,079
which is going to be what heat is put on

1037
00:45:57,079 --> 00:45:59,960
off by an incident at worst case so it

1038
00:45:59,960 --> 00:46:02,800
isn't necessarily the metal in the

1039
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:04,680
battery because at the cell level on a

1040
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,200
UL 9548 test which is a requirement for

1041
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,680
underwriter laboratory there aren't

1042
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:11,319
toxics that are put out and this goes

1043
00:46:11,319 --> 00:46:13,000
back to the other councilman's question

1044
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,359
about the toxic composition what we're

1045
00:46:15,359 --> 00:46:16,960
seeing out of studies out of New York

1046
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,680
from other incidents and from uh other

1047
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:21,960
testing Labs is that the composition of

1048
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:23,960
the smoke is very similar to what you're

1049
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,359
seeing in house fires because of the

1050
00:46:26,359 --> 00:46:30,520
presence of upholstery carpets Foams and

1051
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:32,480
Plastics so when you start looking at

1052
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:33,920
some of the byproducts of combustion

1053
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,079
that are coming off in a battery fire

1054
00:46:36,079 --> 00:46:38,640
it's not the cell itself it's also the

1055
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:41,760
enclosure the the module the Plastics

1056
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:43,319
around the module so we're seeing

1057
00:46:43,319 --> 00:46:47,160
similar uh toxic compositions in regular

1058
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:48,960
combustible house fires I'm thinking

1059
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,280
more of the the heat generated so if you

1060
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,680
have a combustible metal then let's say

1061
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:55,240
titanium right you don't want to pour

1062
00:46:55,240 --> 00:46:57,880
fire on it or water on it because the

1063
00:46:57,880 --> 00:46:59,920
water will go back to its base chemicals

1064
00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:02,319
of hydrogen and oxygen and is that what

1065
00:47:02,319 --> 00:47:05,200
we're looking at with this lithan if

1066
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:06,839
they were to catch fire would they reach

1067
00:47:06,839 --> 00:47:09,680
3,300 Dees would they reach 3500 Dees

1068
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:11,960
where water would then be a concern of

1069
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,839
explosion you have put on to it no this

1070
00:47:14,839 --> 00:47:16,119
is not going to be the same thing as

1071
00:47:16,119 --> 00:47:18,440
your magnesium fires where the water

1072
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,559
actually explodes like you're mentioning

1073
00:47:21,559 --> 00:47:23,520
so this is a different chemical

1074
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:25,440
composition and the and the percent of

1075
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,119
lithium in these batteries is very

1076
00:47:28,119 --> 00:47:29,839
minimal by

1077
00:47:29,839 --> 00:47:32,480
comparison so not putting water on the

1078
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:34,040
fire to douse it out and just letting it

1079
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:35,960
burn through it's going to burn out even

1080
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:37,559
with water on it it's just going to

1081
00:47:37,559 --> 00:47:38,960
continue to burn the water is only going

1082
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,400
to just slow the process it slows it

1083
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:42,640
down and it cools it to where some of

1084
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:46,790
the toxics are not burnt off

1085
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,000
completely I have a question one more

1086
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,200
follow if that's right so psse uh they

1087
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,720
did come here uh in April and earlier in

1088
00:47:54,720 --> 00:47:56,280
the year as well and they insisted that

1089
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:58,359
we had plenty of energy for our grid we

1090
00:47:58,359 --> 00:48:00,599
were showing them phone text that we

1091
00:48:00,599 --> 00:48:02,680
were getting that that they were asking

1092
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:05,400
us to conserve our heat you know because

1093
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,920
wintertime um but then we turned around

1094
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,760
and got rid of natural gas so is this

1095
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:14,079
like a response to the supposed to

1096
00:48:14,079 --> 00:48:15,960
supplement the natural gas is that what

1097
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:17,839
the idea of putting these battery plants

1098
00:48:17,839 --> 00:48:19,520
around and and I know you guys probably

1099
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:21,000
don't get in the politics of the natural

1100
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:24,960
gas band but um to to supplement the

1101
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:26,800
energy we're losing from our homes with

1102
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:30,910
natural gas and relying more on

1103
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,160
electricity these projects like these

1104
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:36,119
are a required uh part of the energy

1105
00:48:36,119 --> 00:48:38,920
transition to intermittent resources

1106
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,800
like wind and solar and

1107
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,359
hydro

1108
00:48:44,359 --> 00:48:48,160
okay I had a question councilman diamond

1109
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:51,760
oh councilman go ahead yes uh I had

1110
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:55,200
two questions the first was um I drove

1111
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:59,000
around that facility recently um and

1112
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,040
there are quite a number of homes near

1113
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:05,319
it and if you go do West there's the

1114
00:49:05,319 --> 00:49:09,000
city of cedral wooy and in the C I've

1115
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,520
read about some of these fires and some

1116
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,040
of across the country and some of them

1117
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:17,000
involve um evacuation especially if

1118
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:20,000
you're just going to let the fires burn

1119
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,680
um that's my first question the second

1120
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:27,079
is that the proximity of H Hansen Creek

1121
00:49:27,079 --> 00:49:29,920
uh you know that's a salmon stream or

1122
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,640
it's it's involved with salmon and

1123
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:34,680
restoration uh if you're letting the

1124
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:38,680
fire just burn won't those uh fumes also

1125
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,920
affect the qu water quality and of that

1126
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:47,390
nearby stream thank you thank you

1127
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:51,960
Paul I'll uh can you restate the first

1128
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:54,040
question again well the first question

1129
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:55,880
he was talking talking about the concern

1130
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,559
of housing can the the first thing

1131
00:49:58,559 --> 00:50:01,160
talked about the need for possible

1132
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:04,119
evacuation of all the houses near there

1133
00:50:04,119 --> 00:50:06,319
and I I can ask a third question sorry

1134
00:50:06,319 --> 00:50:08,079
you shouldn't have asked me this to

1135
00:50:08,079 --> 00:50:11,720
restate it evacuation around there and

1136
00:50:11,720 --> 00:50:14,920
um how quickly that would happen because

1137
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:17,760
as I read this you're not going to have

1138
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,680
Personnel on site it's remote monitoring

1139
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:23,359
well that's great but how quickly do you

1140
00:50:23,359 --> 00:50:26,160
respond and if you need to do evacuation

1141
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:28,000
how quickly could do that the second

1142
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,319
part had to do with the water quality of

1143
00:50:31,319 --> 00:50:34,599
Hansen Creek if there was an

1144
00:50:34,599 --> 00:50:39,599
incident so I'll let uh Mike and Basu

1145
00:50:39,599 --> 00:50:42,040
answer the the first question other than

1146
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,359
just to reiterate that again that would

1147
00:50:44,359 --> 00:50:47,200
be those would be details that we would

1148
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:50,160
uh include as part of our emergency

1149
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:53,480
response plan uh and

1150
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:56,960
generally there's uh a move towards

1151
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,680
shelter in places but again that depends

1152
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:03,640
on the specific technology so once that

1153
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:05,599
decision has been made whatever the the

1154
00:51:05,599 --> 00:51:07,799
brand more or less of batteries it's

1155
00:51:07,799 --> 00:51:11,000
going to be then several of those uh

1156
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,680
kind of cascading uh questions after

1157
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:15,319
that will fall into place we'll

1158
00:51:15,319 --> 00:51:17,119
understand what we can include in the

1159
00:51:17,119 --> 00:51:19,119
Hazardous Materials analysis we'll

1160
00:51:19,119 --> 00:51:20,799
understand specifically what we can put

1161
00:51:20,799 --> 00:51:23,680
in the emergency response plan and I

1162
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:25,440
don't know Mike anything you want to add

1163
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:26,880
sure so a lot of what we're seen with

1164
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:28,680
the fire department trainings is a

1165
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:30,640
default by fire departments that didn't

1166
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:32,240
have a specific training that are

1167
00:51:32,240 --> 00:51:33,839
defaulting to the Emergency Response

1168
00:51:33,839 --> 00:51:37,280
Guide which is a national reference for

1169
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,520
evacuation shelter in place based on

1170
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:41,920
Hazard unfortunately that natur or that

1171
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:43,440
National Emergency Response Guide does

1172
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,160
not have lithium batteries as a specific

1173
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:48,440
hazard of reference and so a lot of

1174
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:50,160
jurisdictions are defaulting to this

1175
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:53,599
shelter in place or an evacuation over a

1176
00:51:53,599 --> 00:51:55,119
distance that they come up with the

1177
00:51:55,119 --> 00:51:57,960
closest approximate Hazard and what

1178
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:00,480
we're trying to inform and educate the

1179
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:03,480
fire industry as a whole is that these

1180
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:05,559
are different than what we see listed in

1181
00:52:05,559 --> 00:52:08,359
the National Emergency Response guides

1182
00:52:08,359 --> 00:52:11,119
and there is a big push within NFP 855

1183
00:52:11,119 --> 00:52:12,720
right now a whole toxic work group that

1184
00:52:12,720 --> 00:52:14,720
I'm involved with that are looking at

1185
00:52:14,720 --> 00:52:16,319
incidents of reference that did soil

1186
00:52:16,319 --> 00:52:18,920
samples air sample and water samples

1187
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:22,119
post incident both in New York in uh

1188
00:52:22,119 --> 00:52:24,400
Indiana and in various places where some

1189
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:26,119
of these incidents of reference have

1190
00:52:26,119 --> 00:52:29,559
taken place which are showing no toxics

1191
00:52:29,559 --> 00:52:32,559
in the water that was run off and none

1192
00:52:32,559 --> 00:52:34,640
in the soil post incident versus

1193
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:36,960
pre-incident and we're starting to see

1194
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,280
that these really require a special

1195
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:40,760
identification with the Emergency

1196
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:42,760
Response Guide that has its own category

1197
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:44,839
for reference in discussion with Chief

1198
00:52:44,839 --> 00:52:47,040
Joel Mendoza from uh North County where

1199
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:48,640
Moss Landing took place where an

1200
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:50,960
evacuation happened and a shelter in

1201
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:53,200
place happened and a freeway closed he

1202
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:55,280
admitted was because of visibility

1203
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,400
visibility not from smoke specifically

1204
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:00,160
but also from fog so when you have some

1205
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,000
of these jurisdictions of reference that

1206
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,280
had these early incidents that other

1207
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:06,079
fire departments are referencing there's

1208
00:53:06,079 --> 00:53:07,760
a misconception about the need for

1209
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:09,960
shelter in place and for evacuations

1210
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:13,079
based on the hazard that's specific and

1211
00:53:13,079 --> 00:53:16,240
again these were very early excuse me

1212
00:53:16,240 --> 00:53:18,400
generation Technologies which have

1213
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,160
changed dramatically over the last half

1214
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:21,839
a decade because of these incidents of

1215
00:53:21,839 --> 00:53:23,680
reference and Lessons Learned so you're

1216
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:25,319
going to see these changes reflected in

1217
00:53:25,319 --> 00:53:27,040
the National Emergency Response guide

1218
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,760
and in NFP 855 for guidance and

1219
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:32,589
Direction on First

1220
00:53:32,599 --> 00:53:34,920
Response okay and what about the fact

1221
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:38,720
that it is uh uh remotely controlled and

1222
00:53:38,720 --> 00:53:40,480
how how would that affect the response

1223
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:42,240
to an

1224
00:53:42,240 --> 00:53:45,000
emergency so these systems are monitored

1225
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:48,079
offsite by an NFPA 72 compliant UL

1226
00:53:48,079 --> 00:53:50,160
listed Central Station the Central

1227
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:51,640
Station then is in communication with

1228
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:54,440
the emergency dispatch so if you get an

1229
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:57,160
alarm smoke detector gas detector heat

1230
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,880
detector that initiates the response

1231
00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:02,400
from the fire department to come out so

1232
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,880
there should be no delay in the

1233
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:09,319
response Council uh thank you and then

1234
00:54:09,319 --> 00:54:11,839
is anybody gonna talk about Hansen Creek

1235
00:54:11,839 --> 00:54:13,680
I think there's a lot of yeah I have I

1236
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:15,200
have lots of questions but sorry I was

1237
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:17,000
going to just spin off that real quickly

1238
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,839
District 8 relies uh heavily on

1239
00:54:19,839 --> 00:54:22,000
volunteers and Cedar Wily holds the

1240
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,400
contract to partner with District 8 in

1241
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:27,280
emergency response has discussion been

1242
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:29,440
had with the city of Cedar woly and how

1243
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:32,200
they're going how they fire intends to

1244
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:34,520
respond to all of this and if there is

1245
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:37,400
an emergency who is funding this and how

1246
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:39,119
is Cedar woly then going to fund the

1247
00:54:39,119 --> 00:54:40,920
backfill that's needed to supply and

1248
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,799
take care of our own citizens in our

1249
00:54:43,799 --> 00:54:47,200
city so again all of those details will

1250
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:49,520
be kind of finalized in our emergency

1251
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:54,990
response plan but what

1252
00:54:55,000 --> 00:55:00,319
I but what I can say is that uh

1253
00:55:00,319 --> 00:55:03,720
the First Responders would include scet

1254
00:55:03,720 --> 00:55:06,319
County and Fire District 8 who both of

1255
00:55:06,319 --> 00:55:09,839
whom we've met with and had uh long

1256
00:55:09,839 --> 00:55:13,280
ongoing conversations with and and uh so

1257
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:16,200
we in tend to include their input into

1258
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:18,319
the development of that plan and when it

1259
00:55:18,319 --> 00:55:20,880
finally you know gets approved that it

1260
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,760
will have included their

1261
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:27,680
input so all none so so the project

1262
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:29,480
itself can be pushed through and then

1263
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:31,920
all of that becomes an afterthought so

1264
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:34,559
to speak it's it's put together after

1265
00:55:34,559 --> 00:55:36,280
the project is approved and the design

1266
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:38,680
goes into place is that correct in my

1267
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:42,359
understanding no the well not not that

1268
00:55:42,359 --> 00:55:43,839
it's incorrect it's just that we're in

1269
00:55:43,839 --> 00:55:47,440
the kind of uh entitlement phase of the

1270
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:51,480
project and once we get into the um you

1271
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:53,440
know construction permit or ministerial

1272
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:56,680
permit design phase that's when you know

1273
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:58,720
things like the battery chemistry

1274
00:55:58,720 --> 00:56:00,440
selection get made and that's when the

1275
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:03,839
final plant design gets uh you know

1276
00:56:03,839 --> 00:56:07,240
designed and and again the emergency

1277
00:56:07,240 --> 00:56:09,359
response plan details come available

1278
00:56:09,359 --> 00:56:11,599
with uh you know the technology

1279
00:56:11,599 --> 00:56:13,359
selection okay so nothing on this

1280
00:56:13,359 --> 00:56:15,039
project has moved forward in regards to

1281
00:56:15,039 --> 00:56:17,319
the property or anything else at this

1282
00:56:17,319 --> 00:56:20,880
point no okay I mean other than our you

1283
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:23,920
know environmental uh studies and and

1284
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:25,799
surveys and and those sorts of things

1285
00:56:25,799 --> 00:56:27,400
but no

1286
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:30,200
no construction or anything like that

1287
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:32,559
well we're a long way from from that but

1288
00:56:32,559 --> 00:56:36,440
that's planned for as you know early as

1289
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:40,549
2027 councilman

1290
00:56:40,559 --> 00:56:43,920
Henderson so coming your mic your mic oh

1291
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:47,079
whoops so coming off of the um off of

1292
00:56:47,079 --> 00:56:48,960
the fire discussion I'd like to change

1293
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:52,000
the topic a little bit and um go on to

1294
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,520
what uh your actual business model is

1295
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:56,960
how will you get a return

1296
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:59,359
on investment for your project how will

1297
00:56:59,359 --> 00:57:01,160
the rate payers be

1298
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:03,400
impacted and who will you be selling

1299
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:05,359
energy

1300
00:57:05,359 --> 00:57:09,359
to so um I'm G to unfortunately

1301
00:57:09,359 --> 00:57:11,799
disappoint you in the response here

1302
00:57:11,799 --> 00:57:15,000
because the uh exact commercial nature

1303
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,440
of the project is yet to be determined

1304
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:22,599
so we're not sure yet how the um

1305
00:57:22,599 --> 00:57:24,760
contract is going to govern the buying

1306
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:26,559
and selling of power from it but

1307
00:57:26,559 --> 00:57:27,960
eventually it will

1308
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:32,200
become uh you know but but what I can

1309
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:34,799
say is that you you know this is a local

1310
00:57:34,799 --> 00:57:37,640
reliability energy infrastructure need

1311
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:40,559
and project and it will be fulfilling

1312
00:57:40,559 --> 00:57:43,119
the local energy needs first we won't

1313
00:57:43,119 --> 00:57:44,839
necessarily be able to say whether or

1314
00:57:44,839 --> 00:57:48,000
not it'll ever be sold in another state

1315
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:50,440
but what we can say is that when there's

1316
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:53,240
a need it'll serve the local need

1317
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:57,559
first do you can you um so the last the

1318
00:57:57,559 --> 00:57:59,520
last part about selling we'll just we'll

1319
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:02,960
just scratch that um but how how in your

1320
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:05,039
guys's opinion will the um how will you

1321
00:58:05,039 --> 00:58:07,039
get a return on investment and how will

1322
00:58:07,039 --> 00:58:10,000
the rate payers be impacted by

1323
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,760
that like any other infrastructure

1324
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:16,039
project this you know project has a you

1325
00:58:16,039 --> 00:58:19,680
know uh an upfront investment that's uh

1326
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:22,520
paid off over time through its Revenue

1327
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:26,160
contract that's with whomever the

1328
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:29,000
off-taker is going to end up being and

1329
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:32,950
that's we don't know that

1330
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:39,319
yet okay yeah councilwoman KY thank you

1331
00:58:39,319 --> 00:58:41,240
um given the

1332
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:43,359
please it's a

1333
00:58:43,359 --> 00:58:47,280
presentation we need to listen thank

1334
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:50,119
you given the strong opposition from our

1335
00:58:50,119 --> 00:58:52,039
community regarding the battery storage

1336
00:58:52,039 --> 00:58:55,000
facility in seedar Wy does our Town's

1337
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:57,039
position influence

1338
00:58:57,039 --> 00:58:58,799
your decision to proceed with the

1339
00:58:58,799 --> 00:59:01,200
project additionally why would a

1340
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:03,440
business not local to seedar wooly join

1341
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:05,640
the Chamber of Commerce if there are no

1342
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:07,839
plans to maintain a long-term presence

1343
00:59:07,839 --> 00:59:10,240
here how do you justify this action in

1344
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:15,670
light of the community's clear

1345
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:18,720
concerns we understand that there are a

1346
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:21,400
lot of concerns and part of the main

1347
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:25,119
reason that we're here is uh a part of

1348
00:59:25,119 --> 00:59:27,119
the process of address ing those

1349
00:59:27,119 --> 00:59:30,240
concerns um this project is critically

1350
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:33,160
needed and would not be in consideration

1351
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:35,960
if it weren't so uh it does still

1352
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:39,319
require an exhaustive approval process

1353
00:59:39,319 --> 00:59:42,920
and we take all of the feedback in into

1354
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:45,680
consideration along the way

1355
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:49,039
um tell I would add to that um your your

1356
00:59:49,039 --> 00:59:50,880
question about the Chamber of Commerce

1357
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:53,640
that this project does plan to be here

1358
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:57,440
for 20 years um the the the life of the

1359
00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:00,079
project um is that long so being a part

1360
01:00:00,079 --> 01:00:03,079
of the chamber is really the the we are

1361
01:00:03,079 --> 01:00:04,799
continually trying to invest in the

1362
01:00:04,799 --> 01:00:06,799
community um that's what we believe the

1363
01:00:06,799 --> 01:00:10,200
project to do as well as um being able

1364
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:14,280
to to be a a business um representative

1365
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:16,880
amongst the other chamber members so

1366
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:20,760
what I hear from the county from the

1367
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:22,599
citizens is that they don't want you

1368
01:00:22,599 --> 01:00:26,079
here yet you've joined a chamber to make

1369
01:00:26,079 --> 01:00:33,349
that

1370
01:00:33,359 --> 01:00:36,480
decision so it so if we didn't want you

1371
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:38,880
here you're saying that you you're

1372
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:40,680
already showing that you plan on being

1373
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:43,599
here so is this all for nothing no it

1374
01:00:43,599 --> 01:00:45,880
was our effort to to show that we wanted

1375
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:48,280
to be in the community obviously this

1376
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:50,760
again we've we're in the early stages of

1377
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:54,240
this project um there is so much more to

1378
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:55,599
go through through the permitting

1379
01:00:55,599 --> 01:00:58,640
process but we wanted that that's our

1380
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:01,000
attempt to to show that we are we are

1381
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:02,440
committed to being here for the period

1382
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:05,440
of time that that we have we've stated

1383
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:07,280
the project to be be part of the

1384
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:10,839
community so it's it's not saying we're

1385
01:01:10,839 --> 01:01:12,880
going to be here regardless of of what

1386
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:14,280
the community

1387
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:17,559
wants okay councilman lavaka thank you

1388
01:01:17,559 --> 01:01:20,480
um I'm curious about the business model

1389
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:22,760
as well because if you don't know who

1390
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:25,359
you're selling it to or what the the

1391
01:01:25,359 --> 01:01:27,280
cost of that was would be how can you

1392
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:29,240
Endeavor into a business venture and

1393
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:31,520
then is there government subsidizing

1394
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:34,640
that's going into the initial

1395
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:38,880
investment uh I'll take the second part

1396
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:43,119
first um the project would be uh

1397
01:01:43,119 --> 01:01:48,720
eligible for um various tax uh benefits

1398
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:51,400
as part of the inflation reduction

1399
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:55,200
act um and then sorry the the first part

1400
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:57,960
was the how if you don't know what your

1401
01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:00,079
return is going to be how do you how do

1402
01:02:00,079 --> 01:02:01,799
you know if your investment is even

1403
01:02:01,799 --> 01:02:04,520
going to pay off is it because it's

1404
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:07,440
government funded or subsidized that's

1405
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:10,880
uh definitely above my pay grade but uh

1406
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:13,200
the I guess the short answer would be

1407
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:17,240
that if it you know the every project

1408
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:17,960
has

1409
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:21,039
to survive on its own merits and this

1410
01:02:21,039 --> 01:02:24,240
one's no different um so

1411
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:26,559
we we would

1412
01:02:26,559 --> 01:02:31,200
leave it there okay um I I understand a

1413
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:33,880
lot of people actually vote for this the

1414
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:37,640
climate act in Olympia and so they they

1415
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:40,240
uh you know this is a response to that

1416
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:41,480
and this is what you guys are saying

1417
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:43,559
that these are going up around the state

1418
01:02:43,559 --> 01:02:45,559
and uh you know there is a lot of people

1419
01:02:45,559 --> 01:02:47,200
that are upset by that because it goes

1420
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:49,440
right in their backyard but then they

1421
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:52,039
themselves continue to vote for that so

1422
01:02:52,039 --> 01:02:55,000
it's ironic but um it is one of those

1423
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:57,480
deals that this is the response it seems

1424
01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:00,839
to those decisions made and and how they

1425
01:03:00,839 --> 01:03:05,039
how they vote right thanks councilman

1426
01:03:05,039 --> 01:03:07,680
ly thank

1427
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:11,319
you I listened to the meeting you had

1428
01:03:11,319 --> 01:03:12,920
over at the community center and I've

1429
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:16,200
listened here and I'm not a very smart

1430
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:19,440
guy and everybody's concerned

1431
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:23,720
about Hansen Creek the river

1432
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:26,559
population and I'm not hearing any that

1433
01:03:26,559 --> 01:03:29,039
sues any of those problems and like I

1434
01:03:29,039 --> 01:03:31,240
say I'm not real smart but is there what

1435
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:32,920
am I

1436
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:35,640
missing you know can can you speak to a

1437
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:38,079
different way to me so I can

1438
01:03:38,079 --> 01:03:40,039
understand there's there's got to be

1439
01:03:40,039 --> 01:03:42,079
something I'm

1440
01:03:42,079 --> 01:03:44,799
missing I I don't think that you are the

1441
01:03:44,799 --> 01:03:47,960
the project still has to undergo its uh

1442
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:51,160
environmental review process through FC

1443
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:54,640
and uh if there's not an impact that

1444
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:56,079
can't be mitigated then the project

1445
01:03:56,079 --> 01:03:57,960
won't proceed

1446
01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:01,000
forward well probably one of the things

1447
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:03,599
I probably am missing is my distrust for

1448
01:04:03,599 --> 01:04:05,839
the the way that the government's doing

1449
01:04:05,839 --> 01:04:08,359
their thing is basically bypassing

1450
01:04:08,359 --> 01:04:12,690
everybody but that's

1451
01:04:12,700 --> 01:04:17,039
[Applause]

1452
01:04:17,039 --> 01:04:19,839
probably but I do appreciate you being

1453
01:04:19,839 --> 01:04:23,640
here it's just it I there's I need some

1454
01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:26,440
more in there

1455
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:27,559
I actually have to concur with

1456
01:04:27,559 --> 01:04:29,440
councilman ly in that we value our

1457
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:32,279
Farmland here we value the the the water

1458
01:04:32,279 --> 01:04:34,480
that we have here it's our livelihood it

1459
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:37,599
is our livelihood and we respect it and

1460
01:04:37,599 --> 01:04:39,880
we take care of it so I guess my

1461
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:42,119
question would be to you you're talking

1462
01:04:42,119 --> 01:04:44,039
about these plans that you have in place

1463
01:04:44,039 --> 01:04:49,039
for safety for um mitigation for um you

1464
01:04:49,039 --> 01:04:50,960
know whatever evacuation if that were to

1465
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:53,920
take but I my question is are there any

1466
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:55,799
assurances because I'm not hearing any

1467
01:04:55,799 --> 01:04:58,319
Assurance is actually what I'm what I'm

1468
01:04:58,319 --> 01:05:00,359
I'm G getting more questions there's

1469
01:05:00,359 --> 01:05:02,680
more questions that I I find myself

1470
01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:07,119
asking so um you know I I understand the

1471
01:05:07,119 --> 01:05:10,279
project is to develop power but isn't it

1472
01:05:10,279 --> 01:05:12,599
only for 4 hours and 40,000 homes

1473
01:05:12,599 --> 01:05:14,720
approximately it's not like if power

1474
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:17,799
goes out that's all it would do

1475
01:05:17,799 --> 01:05:21,920
correct not not technically um we

1476
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:24,359
provide that uh kind of as a way to

1477
01:05:24,359 --> 01:05:26,640
contextualize how much energy it's

1478
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:30,079
storing um but realistically you could

1479
01:05:30,079 --> 01:05:33,760
think of it as you know 200,000 homes

1480
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:37,480
for for four hours or 100,000 homes for

1481
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:40,039
eight hours or you know just it kind of

1482
01:05:40,039 --> 01:05:42,440
depends on what the need is how it gets

1483
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:44,559
dispatched and where where would it be

1484
01:05:44,559 --> 01:05:46,200
dispatched would it be here in the scaga

1485
01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:48,200
valley or it would be elsewhere it's it

1486
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:50,279
like I said earlier it's going to go to

1487
01:05:50,279 --> 01:05:54,559
its closest need first uh so the local

1488
01:05:54,559 --> 01:05:57,319
need uh we be

1489
01:05:57,319 --> 01:06:00,799
I serviced first um to answer your

1490
01:06:00,799 --> 01:06:03,079
question okay I'm sorry I didn't I

1491
01:06:03,079 --> 01:06:05,839
missed the first

1492
01:06:05,839 --> 01:06:09,039
part well I I just want to reiterate

1493
01:06:09,039 --> 01:06:12,760
that this is our farmland and our water

1494
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:15,119
is precious to us as it is everywhere

1495
01:06:15,119 --> 01:06:16,839
else it's our

1496
01:06:16,839 --> 01:06:20,000
livelihood um and it's kind of

1497
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:22,440
perplexing that you're going to run the

1498
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:24,359
power underneath Hansen Creek is what I

1499
01:06:24,359 --> 01:06:25,920
was told is how you're actually going to

1500
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:27,599
do that is run it underneath Hansen

1501
01:06:27,599 --> 01:06:32,160
Creek MH and what if there is um a

1502
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:37,000
breakdown in the um means by which

1503
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:39,559
you're using to transport that

1504
01:06:39,559 --> 01:06:43,000
power it it will be boarded underneath

1505
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:45,079
and it'll be we don't have a final depth

1506
01:06:45,079 --> 01:06:46,720
but our engineering team has looked at

1507
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:48,400
it and said that it'll be at a minimum

1508
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:51,440
10 to 15 feet below the scour depth of

1509
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:55,839
the uh bottom of Hanson Creek and could

1510
01:06:55,839 --> 01:06:57,520
is there a possibility that there could

1511
01:06:57,520 --> 01:06:59,319
be gases or toxins that could be

1512
01:06:59,319 --> 01:07:00,880
released and then seep up into that

1513
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:04,160
Creek no this is just for the the actual

1514
01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:07,839
conductor themselves that's the only

1515
01:07:07,839 --> 01:07:10,240
element that's underneath the

1516
01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:14,079
creek okay all right mam mayor if I yeah

1517
01:07:14,079 --> 01:07:17,480
go ahead counc Henderson um I got kind

1518
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:20,240
of a four-part question here so bear

1519
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:24,279
with me we'll um uh what what other

1520
01:07:24,279 --> 01:07:26,079
sites were investigated

1521
01:07:26,079 --> 01:07:28,440
um so you guys are tanasa correct you

1522
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:31,160
guys are not Goldfinch Energy Services

1523
01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:33,079
Goldfinch Energy Services are they the

1524
01:07:33,079 --> 01:07:36,039
investor and you are the

1525
01:07:36,039 --> 01:07:38,880
contractor the project was initially

1526
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:42,119
developed by originated and developed by

1527
01:07:42,119 --> 01:07:46,240
tanasa we the still the uh retained as

1528
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:49,240
the developer uh if the project does end

1529
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:51,640
up moving forward the you know exact

1530
01:07:51,640 --> 01:07:54,319
ownership model will be yet to be

1531
01:07:54,319 --> 01:07:57,279
determined but what go Finch was was the

1532
01:07:57,279 --> 01:07:58,760
you know

1533
01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:02,680
initial uh project company that tanasa

1534
01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:05,680
formed to develop the the project okay

1535
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:08,200
and um so what other what other sites

1536
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:10,079
did you investigate before settling on

1537
01:08:10,079 --> 01:08:14,039
this location and what factors what were

1538
01:08:14,039 --> 01:08:16,040
the factors that made the determination

1539
01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:20,440
to put it on um a natural resource land

1540
01:08:20,440 --> 01:08:23,719
so uh we looked at several factors

1541
01:08:23,719 --> 01:08:26,319
there's uh I'd say first and foremost

1542
01:08:26,319 --> 01:08:29,080
there's proximity to the substation uh

1543
01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:30,799
being the the

1544
01:08:30,799 --> 01:08:33,640
primary you know variable that we want

1545
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:37,199
to constrain that impact the most the

1546
01:08:37,199 --> 01:08:39,319
transmission line uh and then you're

1547
01:08:39,319 --> 01:08:42,040
looking at you know things like parcel

1548
01:08:42,040 --> 01:08:45,080
size um and then you're looking at you

1549
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:46,400
know what are the environmental

1550
01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:49,199
considerations of a particular parcel so

1551
01:08:49,199 --> 01:08:53,080
wet lenss uh you know any sort of

1552
01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:56,600
excluded areas um and we actually looked

1553
01:08:56,600 --> 01:09:00,440
at quite a large number of parcels uh

1554
01:09:00,440 --> 01:09:01,880
around that

1555
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:03,839
substation um I don't have an exact

1556
01:09:03,839 --> 01:09:07,120
number for you but it was it was a lot

1557
01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:09,120
um and at the end of the day you know

1558
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:10,600
there's a lot of constraints that start

1559
01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:12,920
Xing pieces out like you have to exclude

1560
01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:15,480
an area because it has an easement on it

1561
01:09:15,480 --> 01:09:17,759
or uh you so there's a lot of

1562
01:09:17,759 --> 01:09:20,440
considerations that go into kind of what

1563
01:09:20,440 --> 01:09:23,279
boils down to the final parcel selection

1564
01:09:23,279 --> 01:09:24,960
and then at the end of it you know

1565
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:27,440
you've got a find a willing partner in a

1566
01:09:27,440 --> 01:09:30,679
landowner as well so we we did look kind

1567
01:09:30,679 --> 01:09:34,480
of at a lot but I would say that egg NRL

1568
01:09:34,480 --> 01:09:36,520
is an overwhelming zoning

1569
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:39,239
designation uh in the vicinity of that

1570
01:09:39,239 --> 01:09:42,359
substation and major utility uses are a

1571
01:09:42,359 --> 01:09:45,279
permitted use with a special use permit

1572
01:09:45,279 --> 01:09:47,199
okay um I'd like to talk a little bit

1573
01:09:47,199 --> 01:09:50,600
about that too for um Wetland mitigation

1574
01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:53,520
uh this site on your guys's initial

1575
01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:56,040
report states that it is within the

1576
01:09:56,040 --> 01:09:58,520
100-year flood plane uh what is your

1577
01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:00,320
mitigation plan for the wetlands and the

1578
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:03,440
flood planes on site and also to note

1579
01:10:03,440 --> 01:10:05,480
our county code prohibits building

1580
01:10:05,480 --> 01:10:07,679
critical facilities within special flood

1581
01:10:07,679 --> 01:10:11,040
Hazard areas unless there are no feas

1582
01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:13,760
feasible Alternatives available so how

1583
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:17,040
do we determine that we have no feasible

1584
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:18,800
Alternatives available to build a

1585
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:22,640
battery storage site so the uh all of

1586
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:24,280
the project elements will be elevated

1587
01:10:24,280 --> 01:10:25,840
out of the flood plane so so we'll just

1588
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:28,960
take that off from the top that either

1589
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:32,679
through uh Earth elevation or uh

1590
01:10:32,679 --> 01:10:36,159
installed on peers um or a combination

1591
01:10:36,159 --> 01:10:40,159
of the two uh that will obviously you

1592
01:10:40,159 --> 01:10:43,159
know impact Wetlands as well and we're

1593
01:10:43,159 --> 01:10:45,679
uh We've submitted a mitigation plan to

1594
01:10:45,679 --> 01:10:48,040
the state uh for their concurrence and

1595
01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:51,920
that would include uh offsetting from a

1596
01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:56,470
local mitigation Bank

1597
01:10:56,480 --> 01:10:59,600
Council lavaka um I'm still I'm trying

1598
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:02,679
to wrap my head around um we've got the

1599
01:11:02,679 --> 01:11:04,239
battery station and it's going to

1600
01:11:04,239 --> 01:11:07,080
survive it's going to supply power to

1601
01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:10,280
scet County so for roughly 16 hours if

1602
01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:14,159
it was the immediate need um so 16 hours

1603
01:11:14,159 --> 01:11:16,000
we don't have that many blackouts for

1604
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:19,120
one and then uh a regular home base so I

1605
01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:20,239
would imagine it would go to the

1606
01:11:20,239 --> 01:11:22,640
hospitals first but if it goes to the

1607
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:24,159
homes and stuff like that I don't know

1608
01:11:24,159 --> 01:11:25,640
that anybody's at such an need where

1609
01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:28,239
they need power for for that immediate

1610
01:11:28,239 --> 01:11:30,080
that it would justify the high cost of

1611
01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:31,679
this program which seems to be pretty

1612
01:11:31,679 --> 01:11:34,679
high and pretty extensive for just 16

1613
01:11:34,679 --> 01:11:37,199
hours if it was to just go here if it's

1614
01:11:37,199 --> 01:11:40,480
4 hours for 200,000 homes that's that's

1615
01:11:40,480 --> 01:11:42,679
really nothing uh I mean is that during

1616
01:11:42,679 --> 01:11:44,320
Peak usage everybody's got their

1617
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:46,440
microwaves and their washers going or is

1618
01:11:46,440 --> 01:11:48,719
it just your average average day in the

1619
01:11:48,719 --> 01:11:52,480
home right and we have we have sources

1620
01:11:52,480 --> 01:11:55,120
we have natural gas and we have energy

1621
01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:57,199
um there is a growing need because we're

1622
01:11:57,199 --> 01:11:59,800
killing off our energy supplies but if

1623
01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:02,120
that does turn around does it make sense

1624
01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:03,880
to do that or will the will it be

1625
01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:06,280
abandoned I guess I'm sure there would

1626
01:12:06,280 --> 01:12:07,199
be a

1627
01:12:07,199 --> 01:12:09,560
decommissioning requirement in that but

1628
01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:10,840
what if it is

1629
01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:14,159
abandoned uh so FC would be responsible

1630
01:12:14,159 --> 01:12:17,320
for you know we we do have to submit and

1631
01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:19,239
have submitted a decommissioning plan

1632
01:12:19,239 --> 01:12:23,679
with FC it'll get finalized uh again

1633
01:12:23,679 --> 01:12:26,679
before we get our site certificate and

1634
01:12:26,679 --> 01:12:29,000
as part of that decommissioning plan we

1635
01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:32,679
pay uh fsec on an annual basis and they

1636
01:12:32,679 --> 01:12:35,800
monitor the the project and they monitor

1637
01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:37,800
our compliance with our project

1638
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:39,760
conditions but who would pay the money

1639
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:42,239
for four hours of service for 200,000

1640
01:12:42,239 --> 01:12:45,360
homes or if you do 16 just scet County

1641
01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:48,040
the entire County you got maybe 16 hours

1642
01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:50,480
of usage once and then you got to

1643
01:12:50,480 --> 01:12:52,080
recharge everything again which means we

1644
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:54,480
need that grid back going by that time

1645
01:12:54,480 --> 01:12:56,760
if the power's out for 16 hours and it's

1646
01:12:56,760 --> 01:12:59,120
out for 24 hours or 48 hours if it's

1647
01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:02,159
that kind of a crisis um where does the

1648
01:13:02,159 --> 01:13:04,719
financial stability come in or incentive

1649
01:13:04,719 --> 01:13:07,199
for the company to even do

1650
01:13:07,199 --> 01:13:11,560
it I would uh you know have to say that

1651
01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:13,880
again the individual project economics

1652
01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:15,960
are confidential but every project has

1653
01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:20,159
to be able to survive uh you know if we

1654
01:13:20,159 --> 01:13:23,400
didn't believe in the project viability

1655
01:13:23,400 --> 01:13:26,440
we wouldn't be bringing it forward

1656
01:13:26,440 --> 01:13:28,000
I just don't want to see where all the

1657
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:30,560
sudden we're setting up infrastructure

1658
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:32,800
and then we get rid of our Natural

1659
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:35,920
Energy uh ability because the way the

1660
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:38,719
state votes um and so we lose that and

1661
01:13:38,719 --> 01:13:41,080
then the prices go skyrocketing for

1662
01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:42,639
people to be able to power their homes

1663
01:13:42,639 --> 01:13:44,360
at enormous rates and there's

1664
01:13:44,360 --> 01:13:46,239
infrastructure set in place that would

1665
01:13:46,239 --> 01:13:47,920
be the investment opportunity I could

1666
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:50,480
see but not just like we wouldn't need

1667
01:13:50,480 --> 01:13:52,360
that right now we haven't had a blackout

1668
01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:53,880
like that in scaga County where we've

1669
01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:56,960
ever needed that so unless there's

1670
01:13:56,960 --> 01:13:58,400
something in the future that we don't

1671
01:13:58,400 --> 01:14:01,600
know about just

1672
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:03,800
seems I would have to agree with them in

1673
01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:05,960
fact uh PSC sat here and gave us two

1674
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:07,760
presentations over this last year and we

1675
01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:10,080
asked about energy usage and how the

1676
01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:11,880
grid was impacting especially when we're

1677
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:14,320
talking about the state coming down to

1678
01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:15,880
the city level and telling us that we

1679
01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:17,800
need to start building more homes more

1680
01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:19,600
homes more homes higher density higher

1681
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:22,440
density and they 10 I'm asking about

1682
01:14:22,440 --> 01:14:23,960
this the grid and whether we can

1683
01:14:23,960 --> 01:14:25,560
actually accept that

1684
01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:27,840
energy usage in order to make that a

1685
01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:29,719
viable reality for the city of sudra

1686
01:14:29,719 --> 01:14:32,960
wooly and in all of those conversations

1687
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:35,080
we have been told that our energy is

1688
01:14:35,080 --> 01:14:37,360
completely fine we have no issue and

1689
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:39,880
that we should have proper energy in

1690
01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:41,960
order to build those homes and this

1691
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:43,719
seems to me as if this project has been

1692
01:14:43,719 --> 01:14:46,239
going on and completely contradicts

1693
01:14:46,239 --> 01:14:48,239
exactly what we've been told by

1694
01:14:48,239 --> 01:14:50,719
psse at the local

1695
01:14:50,719 --> 01:14:54,280
level I yeah

1696
01:14:54,280 --> 01:14:57,629
[Applause]

1697
01:14:57,639 --> 01:14:59,520
councilman councilman cooch do you have

1698
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:04,750
other

1699
01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:09,520
questions yes I do um you you say this

1700
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:11,520
uh

1701
01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:15,440
sorry you say this technology is uh

1702
01:15:15,440 --> 01:15:19,280
pretty new um but from what I've been

1703
01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:22,239
reading uh the there's a we're on the

1704
01:15:22,239 --> 01:15:26,800
verge of a um storage Revolution

1705
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:31,280
shifting from lithium uh battery storage

1706
01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:34,920
that has fire issues to more advanced

1707
01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:38,280
solid state in fact that's where the EV

1708
01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:41,760
industry is going Volkswagen

1709
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:44,960
Toyota and would you then have to shift

1710
01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:47,280
your technology I mean how long is this

1711
01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:52,470
technology going to even last that's my

1712
01:15:52,480 --> 01:15:55,159
question yeah

1713
01:15:55,159 --> 01:15:57,800
uh you're right uh there are some

1714
01:15:57,800 --> 01:16:01,320
Advanced uh you know solid state battery

1715
01:16:01,320 --> 01:16:05,600
technologies uh in research however I

1716
01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:07,120
would say they are probably a decade

1717
01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:10,960
away for uh you know full scale

1718
01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:13,280
commercialization uh so lithium ion

1719
01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:15,320
battery technology which is uh

1720
01:16:15,320 --> 01:16:18,199
commercial and bankable we would expect

1721
01:16:18,199 --> 01:16:20,239
this to continue to be there for at

1722
01:16:20,239 --> 01:16:24,520
least in the next 15 to 20 years uh as

1723
01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:29,080
far as is uh you know changing the kind

1724
01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:31,719
of a technology what we have installed I

1725
01:16:31,719 --> 01:16:34,199
think we'll continue to see some uh

1726
01:16:34,199 --> 01:16:36,120
enhancements within the lithiumion

1727
01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:38,000
Battery Technology that will be

1728
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:41,360
incorporated into this uh project as

1729
01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:45,960
part of the operational cycle uh but

1730
01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:47,760
right now lithium ion battery technology

1731
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:50,480
is the commercial proven and the other

1732
01:16:50,480 --> 01:16:52,120
technology that you're are referring to

1733
01:16:52,120 --> 01:16:54,480
probably a you know decade away before

1734
01:16:54,480 --> 01:16:56,280
being Bank of and

1735
01:16:56,280 --> 01:17:00,440
Commercial all right thank you okay

1736
01:17:00,440 --> 01:17:02,679
councilman Burns honestly this is more

1737
01:17:02,679 --> 01:17:06,719
of a comment than a question um from the

1738
01:17:06,719 --> 01:17:08,600
emails I've gotten and the conversations

1739
01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:11,000
I've had with constituents what I came

1740
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:13,120
here expecting or wanting to hear

1741
01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:17,280
tonight was about the the safety and how

1742
01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:19,560
exactly everything worked with one of

1743
01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:22,000
these units when it came to if there was

1744
01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:23,760
combustion if there's possibility of the

1745
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:25,560
contamination in the creek

1746
01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:27,360
and your answer was essentially well

1747
01:17:27,360 --> 01:17:29,320
we'll figure it out when we get

1748
01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:32,639
there show up with a battery and just

1749
01:17:32,639 --> 01:17:34,159
say you know hey the last three projects

1750
01:17:34,159 --> 01:17:36,280
we use this brand battery and this is

1751
01:17:36,280 --> 01:17:38,239
what happened this is what happens if it

1752
01:17:38,239 --> 01:17:40,480
burns this is what happens if there's a

1753
01:17:40,480 --> 01:17:42,080
possibility for rain runoff or

1754
01:17:42,080 --> 01:17:44,040
contamination if it doesn't burn at the

1755
01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:45,880
hottest temperature that will burn off

1756
01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:47,600
all of those chemicals this is the

1757
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:50,239
result this is how far um the chemicals

1758
01:17:50,239 --> 01:17:51,840
have been found on the ground after it

1759
01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:54,880
was on fire that's what I was expecting

1760
01:17:54,880 --> 01:17:56,920
we were going to hear from you tonight

1761
01:17:56,920 --> 01:18:00,199
so I feel like I had almost none of my

1762
01:18:00,199 --> 01:18:03,120
questions answered which did not make me

1763
01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:05,239
feel comfortable with this at all it

1764
01:18:05,239 --> 01:18:07,440
made me want to push back even more on

1765
01:18:07,440 --> 01:18:10,720
this project so I feel like we

1766
01:18:10,720 --> 01:18:13,800
[Applause]

1767
01:18:13,800 --> 01:18:16,679
didn't as a as representatives of the

1768
01:18:16,679 --> 01:18:18,400
company I expect that your goal is to

1769
01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:20,080
come here and convince us that we should

1770
01:18:20,080 --> 01:18:21,760
be okay with this and convince them that

1771
01:18:21,760 --> 01:18:24,199
it's safe but I don't feel like you

1772
01:18:24,199 --> 01:18:27,000
really Achi that goal at all and and so

1773
01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:28,600
I you might want to change the way that

1774
01:18:28,600 --> 01:18:31,040
you're considering this because I'm not

1775
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:34,080
walking away with the solid knowledge of

1776
01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:35,800
your safety protocols at other

1777
01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:39,400
facilities maybe yeah if I may there is

1778
01:18:39,400 --> 01:18:42,719
one uh I think we have been saying that

1779
01:18:42,719 --> 01:18:45,199
in the case of a thermal runaway or

1780
01:18:45,199 --> 01:18:47,840
battery fire because of the change in

1781
01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:49,679
the CES because of the change in the

1782
01:18:49,679 --> 01:18:52,480
technology these fires will be limited

1783
01:18:52,480 --> 01:18:55,840
to One battery enclosure only

1784
01:18:55,840 --> 01:18:59,719
um there's no such a facility fire and

1785
01:18:59,719 --> 01:19:01,920
all the fires that happened in the last

1786
01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:05,560
3 4 years Mass landing and other places

1787
01:19:05,560 --> 01:19:08,760
actually validated the thesis that we

1788
01:19:08,760 --> 01:19:10,639
are telling which is there is no

1789
01:19:10,639 --> 01:19:13,880
facility in The Last 5 Years the whole

1790
01:19:13,880 --> 01:19:17,080
facility has gone on fire and design

1791
01:19:17,080 --> 01:19:20,719
worked as you know as per the code it

1792
01:19:20,719 --> 01:19:22,639
just contained to Only One battery

1793
01:19:22,639 --> 01:19:25,679
enclosure only so that's a validation of

1794
01:19:25,679 --> 01:19:27,360
you know kind of assurance that we are

1795
01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:29,520
telling that in the case of a thermal

1796
01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:31,639
Runway it does not spread to the

1797
01:19:31,639 --> 01:19:33,040
adjoining

1798
01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:35,719
enclosur but you're assuring me that

1799
01:19:35,719 --> 01:19:37,600
only one battery catches on fire but I

1800
01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:39,639
want to know what if it's raining at

1801
01:19:39,639 --> 01:19:41,840
that point if that battery burns up

1802
01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:44,480
entirely What's Left Behind for is there

1803
01:19:44,480 --> 01:19:47,360
Ash that's going to get run off into the

1804
01:19:47,360 --> 01:19:49,960
Waterway if it's not burned up entirely

1805
01:19:49,960 --> 01:19:51,320
because we have a torrential downpour

1806
01:19:51,320 --> 01:19:52,920
and it slows down the fire it doesn't

1807
01:19:52,920 --> 01:19:54,320
reach that critical temperature that

1808
01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:55,840
actually allows it to burn off the

1809
01:19:55,840 --> 01:19:57,880
chemicals that are there what happens

1810
01:19:57,880 --> 01:20:00,120
then if it's a windy day and it's not

1811
01:20:00,120 --> 01:20:02,840
raining where does that Ash go what's in

1812
01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:05,239
the ash th those are the questions I'm

1813
01:20:05,239 --> 01:20:07,960
I'm curious about yeah as Mike mentioned

1814
01:20:07,960 --> 01:20:10,199
uh you know some of the testing that we

1815
01:20:10,199 --> 01:20:12,679
have seen after the reference incidents

1816
01:20:12,679 --> 01:20:15,639
are showing no contamination in the soil

1817
01:20:15,639 --> 01:20:18,440
and there's no toxicity in the you know

1818
01:20:18,440 --> 01:20:21,520
plume gases and again as part of the

1819
01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:23,120
emergency respons it's our

1820
01:20:23,120 --> 01:20:25,719
responsibility to give you the plume

1821
01:20:25,719 --> 01:20:27,600
analysis and hazardous mitigation

1822
01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:31,120
analysis for your fire department

1823
01:20:31,120 --> 01:20:34,120
review yes go ahead cman

1824
01:20:34,120 --> 01:20:37,679
Henderson thank you uh so as as

1825
01:20:37,679 --> 01:20:40,120
representatives from tanasa you're

1826
01:20:40,120 --> 01:20:43,639
proposing building this project um can I

1827
01:20:43,639 --> 01:20:46,639
ask how many best facilities tanasa has

1828
01:20:46,639 --> 01:20:48,960
successfully built and

1829
01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:52,639
operated there are uh 200 megawatts of

1830
01:20:52,639 --> 01:20:55,360
tanasa developed best in operation right

1831
01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:58,840
now 200 megaw of tanasa developed best

1832
01:20:58,840 --> 01:21:04,390
under construction and 10,000 megaw in

1833
01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:06,920
development how many buildings is that

1834
01:21:06,920 --> 01:21:09,000
if you may how many actual buildings

1835
01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:10,280
you're saying the megawatts how much

1836
01:21:10,280 --> 01:21:15,080
does each facility produce or hold uh

1837
01:21:15,080 --> 01:21:18,520
the exact you know so I would say there

1838
01:21:18,520 --> 01:21:20,880
are in a range from about 150 megawatts

1839
01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:24,040
to 300 megawatts and you know so each

1840
01:21:24,040 --> 01:21:28,800
one is in kind of a 2 or 250 range

1841
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:32,880
so you got like 200ish out and 200 200

1842
01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:36,040
plan and then a couple under development

1843
01:21:36,040 --> 01:21:39,960
yeah so how many uh a

1844
01:21:39,960 --> 01:21:42,679
couple in terms of 100 facilities

1845
01:21:42,679 --> 01:21:45,920
facilities uh the 10,000 megawatt under

1846
01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:48,560
development that Tommy referred to

1847
01:21:48,560 --> 01:21:51,520
equates to about 50 facilities under

1848
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:54,000
development so that's that's 1 10,000

1849
01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:55,520
megawatt

1850
01:21:55,520 --> 01:21:56,760
under

1851
01:21:56,760 --> 01:22:00,600
construction uh one 200 megawatt

1852
01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:03,000
facility that's up and running and the

1853
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:07,080
10,000 so that's three right there's no

1854
01:22:07,080 --> 01:22:09,159
three facilities like so so if we're

1855
01:22:09,159 --> 01:22:11,560
taking if we're taking this proposed

1856
01:22:11,560 --> 01:22:14,159
project as one facility right just this

1857
01:22:14,159 --> 01:22:17,040
one right um taking out the megawatt

1858
01:22:17,040 --> 01:22:21,120
confusing talk how many sites have you

1859
01:22:21,120 --> 01:22:22,760
guys

1860
01:22:22,760 --> 01:22:26,159
built successfully and are operating how

1861
01:22:26,159 --> 01:22:29,159
many different sites there's we have to

1862
01:22:29,159 --> 01:22:31,800
be uh careful how we respond to this

1863
01:22:31,800 --> 01:22:34,560
because not necessarily every tanasa

1864
01:22:34,560 --> 01:22:36,800
developed uh project is owned by the

1865
01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:39,120
same entity so there's confidentiality

1866
01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:43,800
agreements that apply there uh but the

1867
01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:46,000
as I said there's you know a 200

1868
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:49,239
megawatt facility in operation there's a

1869
01:22:49,239 --> 01:22:52,239
200 megawatt facility in construction

1870
01:22:52,239 --> 01:22:57,080
and uh 10,000 megawatts of projects in

1871
01:22:57,080 --> 01:23:00,080
development so you have one facility and

1872
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:02,280
one under construction that's right

1873
01:23:02,280 --> 01:23:08,030
thank

1874
01:23:08,040 --> 01:23:13,000
you okay right are there any other

1875
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:16,560
questions councilman okay go ahead um

1876
01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:19,080
who who did the RFP for this project the

1877
01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:22,149
request for

1878
01:23:22,159 --> 01:23:27,040
proposal uh we are the project responds

1879
01:23:27,040 --> 01:23:31,679
to uh utility rfps so psse so in this

1880
01:23:31,679 --> 01:23:34,960
case we're responding to a PSC RFP

1881
01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:43,800
okay counc laka yeah so I just go back

1882
01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:46,840
to um when PSC was here and they were we

1883
01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:48,120
were talking about the growth and they

1884
01:23:48,120 --> 01:23:50,280
insisted we had plenty of energy to

1885
01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:53,120
suffice the growth and um you know I

1886
01:23:53,120 --> 01:23:54,840
think Sarah at the very time you said

1887
01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:56,719
it's April and I'm still getting texts

1888
01:23:56,719 --> 01:23:58,560
because it's wi because I'm being asked

1889
01:23:58,560 --> 01:24:00,880
to shut down my heater um and they said

1890
01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:02,639
oh that that must be a mistake there's

1891
01:24:02,639 --> 01:24:05,920
definitely plenty of of uh energy and

1892
01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:07,880
then they're the ones requesting the and

1893
01:24:07,880 --> 01:24:09,480
then the facility doesn't make much

1894
01:24:09,480 --> 01:24:11,159
sense because like I said it's not

1895
01:24:11,159 --> 01:24:13,560
financially sound at this point and it

1896
01:24:13,560 --> 01:24:15,360
hasn't something hasn't been something

1897
01:24:15,360 --> 01:24:18,560
that would have been um over the

1898
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:21,840
duration of of Washington right um so

1899
01:24:21,840 --> 01:24:23,400
it's interesting to find that they're

1900
01:24:23,400 --> 01:24:25,000
the ones that are kind of requesting

1901
01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:27,920
this unless there's uh you know I mean

1902
01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:30,239
it would have to be profitable to

1903
01:24:30,239 --> 01:24:33,159
them that would be who pays for energy I

1904
01:24:33,159 --> 01:24:35,520
guess with PC I would just add you know

1905
01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:39,119
this uh this is preparing for the future

1906
01:24:39,119 --> 01:24:41,440
um like you like we said we've we've

1907
01:24:41,440 --> 01:24:45,400
responded to to psc's RFP

1908
01:24:45,400 --> 01:24:48,239
um we wouldn't be PSC wouldn't be

1909
01:24:48,239 --> 01:24:52,080
investing um in these future uh kind of

1910
01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:56,639
resources if uh it's not needed and also

1911
01:24:56,639 --> 01:25:01,080
um brownouts aren't happening yet uh but

1912
01:25:01,080 --> 01:25:02,920
the transition to these intermittent

1913
01:25:02,920 --> 01:25:05,320
resources uh they're expressing the

1914
01:25:05,320 --> 01:25:07,880
confidence to communities because uh a

1915
01:25:07,880 --> 01:25:09,520
lot of this has already been accounted

1916
01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:13,000
for in that IRP um so that those are

1917
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:15,639
just kind of some thoughts on

1918
01:25:15,639 --> 01:25:17,880
that I see they're saying that we're

1919
01:25:17,880 --> 01:25:20,400
good because in time they hope to have

1920
01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:22,639
facilities like these approved by the

1921
01:25:22,639 --> 01:25:24,960
communities this is all future planning

1922
01:25:24,960 --> 01:25:27,639
yeah and this is all in response to the

1923
01:25:27,639 --> 01:25:31,760
climate act that Washington voted in you

1924
01:25:31,760 --> 01:25:35,760
guys voted in so maybe not you guys but

1925
01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:37,760
overwhelming people in Washington I

1926
01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:41,760
didn't so yeah and then just to clarify

1927
01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:43,400
when we're talking about the communities

1928
01:25:43,400 --> 01:25:46,400
voting this in the city of Cedar wooly

1929
01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:50,040
and the scet county actually have no

1930
01:25:50,040 --> 01:25:53,000
actual say in this approval process this

1931
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:55,080
is at the state level so this is

1932
01:25:55,080 --> 01:25:58,199
bypassed the local community um and so I

1933
01:25:58,199 --> 01:26:00,880
just want to to make that clear in

1934
01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:03,600
regards to um any sort of Council vote

1935
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:06,560
that there will be no vote here because

1936
01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:08,119
as you can tell we probably have a lot

1937
01:26:08,119 --> 01:26:10,960
of the same concerns that you have um in

1938
01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:13,719
fact I also have more questions as this

1939
01:26:13,719 --> 01:26:16,440
comes through and I'm more insecure

1940
01:26:16,440 --> 01:26:18,639
about the entire project after listening

1941
01:26:18,639 --> 01:26:21,679
to it because we don't have

1942
01:26:21,679 --> 01:26:25,040
emergency um response

1943
01:26:25,040 --> 01:26:28,360
drafted at all it's all a matter of you

1944
01:26:28,360 --> 01:26:30,080
know when this project is approved or

1945
01:26:30,080 --> 01:26:32,560
when we do this or when we do that and

1946
01:26:32,560 --> 01:26:35,679
that leaves everybody feeling completely

1947
01:26:35,679 --> 01:26:38,560
uncomfortable um we councilman Burns

1948
01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:40,000
mentioned that you know his questions

1949
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:41,960
weren't answered in regards to radius

1950
01:26:41,960 --> 01:26:45,280
and and effect and all of that if if you

1951
01:26:45,280 --> 01:26:47,560
know we do have an emergency you know

1952
01:26:47,560 --> 01:26:49,199
there there's a lot of unanswered

1953
01:26:49,199 --> 01:26:51,000
questions that leave our community with

1954
01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:54,560
more questions and leave us uh more more

1955
01:26:54,560 --> 01:26:57,040
insecure about it and we also feel a

1956
01:26:57,040 --> 01:26:58,600
little bit more uncomfortable in the

1957
01:26:58,600 --> 01:27:00,360
fact that psse was telling us that we

1958
01:27:00,360 --> 01:27:03,880
have proper grid and in fact it's coming

1959
01:27:03,880 --> 01:27:06,400
forward that you know maybe we do now

1960
01:27:06,400 --> 01:27:08,360
but nobody's nobody's talking about the

1961
01:27:08,360 --> 01:27:10,400
future and all of that and again it goes

1962
01:27:10,400 --> 01:27:13,320
back down to um to the state level where

1963
01:27:13,320 --> 01:27:14,840
this stuff is coming from but I just

1964
01:27:14,840 --> 01:27:16,639
wanted to be very clear about the fact

1965
01:27:16,639 --> 01:27:19,159
that you know our our local community

1966
01:27:19,159 --> 01:27:21,719
here is here to be heard and you should

1967
01:27:21,719 --> 01:27:23,280
every single one of you that wants to

1968
01:27:23,280 --> 01:27:24,840
speak should be heard

1969
01:27:24,840 --> 01:27:26,480
um you have every right to do so we

1970
01:27:26,480 --> 01:27:27,960
welcome you at any single council

1971
01:27:27,960 --> 01:27:31,000
meeting to do so um but at this at this

1972
01:27:31,000 --> 01:27:35,400
city level uh we are not able to vote on

1973
01:27:35,400 --> 01:27:38,320
this councilman

1974
01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:41,159
kesy I just wanted to say that I

1975
01:27:41,159 --> 01:27:43,760
completely um agree with everybody up

1976
01:27:43,760 --> 01:27:45,760
here and I'm so proud of all of you guys

1977
01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:47,159
for all the questions and everything

1978
01:27:47,159 --> 01:27:49,239
that you're asking I feel completely

1979
01:27:49,239 --> 01:27:50,520
deceived by

1980
01:27:50,520 --> 01:27:54,440
psse um and by you as well and I just

1981
01:27:54,440 --> 01:27:57,719
hope that um you will listen to all of

1982
01:27:57,719 --> 01:28:05,360
us that we don't want this and um not do

1983
01:28:05,370 --> 01:28:13,520
[Applause]

1984
01:28:13,520 --> 01:28:16,320
it so councilman do you have one

1985
01:28:16,320 --> 01:28:18,320
last word that you want to I think

1986
01:28:18,320 --> 01:28:20,280
everybody's gave their opinion do you

1987
01:28:20,280 --> 01:28:24,229
have anything else to add

1988
01:28:24,239 --> 01:28:26,800
uh no I think they're all great points

1989
01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:31,639
and um I am concerned that uh it appears

1990
01:28:31,639 --> 01:28:35,400
the wishes of a vast majority of our

1991
01:28:35,400 --> 01:28:38,960
community as well as uh the entire

1992
01:28:38,960 --> 01:28:42,360
Council it sounds like uh I hope that

1993
01:28:42,360 --> 01:28:46,080
those uh comments and thoughts will be

1994
01:28:46,080 --> 01:28:49,639
uh taken into account by um the state

1995
01:28:49,639 --> 01:28:52,600
Regulators who regulate those because

1996
01:28:52,600 --> 01:28:54,600
you know there's I mean

1997
01:28:54,600 --> 01:28:56,239
everybody has to deal with this thing of

1998
01:28:56,239 --> 01:28:59,760
nimi not in my backyard but in this case

1999
01:28:59,760 --> 01:29:02,080
I really think there's so many concerns

2000
01:29:02,080 --> 01:29:05,360
environmental concerns safety concerns

2001
01:29:05,360 --> 01:29:09,320
uh and it's near quite a few homes that

2002
01:29:09,320 --> 01:29:12,000
I just have significant concerns and I

2003
01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:14,480
hope those are communicated in some way

2004
01:29:14,480 --> 01:29:16,119
from our community to the state

2005
01:29:16,119 --> 01:29:20,239
Regulators thank you all

2006
01:29:20,239 --> 01:29:23,110
right so

2007
01:29:23,110 --> 01:29:24,840
[Applause]

2008
01:29:24,840 --> 01:29:30,000
yeah so uh Nicole Tommy Vu and um Mike

2009
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:31,679
also Brad we want to thank you very much

2010
01:29:31,679 --> 01:29:34,560
for being here this evening coming um

2011
01:29:34,560 --> 01:29:36,800
and answering our questions um we

2012
01:29:36,800 --> 01:29:38,560
realize that you are here at the behest

2013
01:29:38,560 --> 01:29:41,000
of our of our request but also that you

2014
01:29:41,000 --> 01:29:45,840
have been requested by psse to also look

2015
01:29:45,840 --> 01:29:47,600
to move forward with the possibility of

2016
01:29:47,600 --> 01:29:52,159
building this project so um you know I

2017
01:29:52,159 --> 01:29:53,800
know that you certainly probably have

2018
01:29:53,800 --> 01:29:55,760
the feeling that that you seen as the

2019
01:29:55,760 --> 01:29:58,400
enemy here um I don't know that you are

2020
01:29:58,400 --> 01:30:00,320
truly the enemy I think that there's um

2021
01:30:00,320 --> 01:30:02,560
things there's there are decisions that

2022
01:30:02,560 --> 01:30:05,280
have made Beyond you beyond us and

2023
01:30:05,280 --> 01:30:06,600
perhaps those are the people that we

2024
01:30:06,600 --> 01:30:09,280
need to be asking these questions to as

2025
01:30:09,280 --> 01:30:12,560
well so um I do but again I do want to

2026
01:30:12,560 --> 01:30:15,760
thank you for being here um uh you know

2027
01:30:15,760 --> 01:30:18,280
I respect your positions and what you

2028
01:30:18,280 --> 01:30:20,400
are trying to do and what you believe in

2029
01:30:20,400 --> 01:30:22,000
and we hope that you will feel the same

2030
01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:25,320
about about us and uh where we stand on

2031
01:30:25,320 --> 01:30:29,199
this issue so yeah all right um with

2032
01:30:29,199 --> 01:30:33,040
that um I I do want to give you the

2033
01:30:33,040 --> 01:30:35,119
option if you would like to stay we are

2034
01:30:35,119 --> 01:30:36,560
going to open it up for public comment

2035
01:30:36,560 --> 01:30:39,080
you're welcome to do that um if you do

2036
01:30:39,080 --> 01:30:41,000
not wish to do that um you know you're

2037
01:30:41,000 --> 01:30:44,320
certainly welcome to leave as well

2038
01:30:44,320 --> 01:30:46,800
so sorry no we'd like to listen

2039
01:30:46,800 --> 01:30:49,320
abolutely all right thank you all right

2040
01:30:49,320 --> 01:30:50,440
so

2041
01:30:50,440 --> 01:30:55,560
um I am going to call upon thank you

2042
01:30:55,560 --> 01:30:57,880
Cy um

2043
01:30:57,880 --> 01:31:02,159
those those individuals that have um

2044
01:31:02,159 --> 01:31:03,920
signed up here on the public hearing I'm

2045
01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:06,639
going to address them first I do have a

2046
01:31:06,639 --> 01:31:09,800
request and that is if if you hear

2047
01:31:09,800 --> 01:31:12,920
somebody come up and they um they share

2048
01:31:12,920 --> 01:31:15,239
exactly what it is that you have wanted

2049
01:31:15,239 --> 01:31:17,639
to share um you know feel free to say

2050
01:31:17,639 --> 01:31:19,719
you know I just concur but you know you

2051
01:31:19,719 --> 01:31:21,199
don't have to say it over and over and

2052
01:31:21,199 --> 01:31:23,040
over again we hear you we hear you the

2053
01:31:23,040 --> 01:31:24,280
first time we have her heard you the

2054
01:31:24,280 --> 01:31:26,800
first time so um if you would be so kind

2055
01:31:26,800 --> 01:31:28,719
to do that because we will limit it to 3

2056
01:31:28,719 --> 01:31:30,679
minutes I mean if you do the math you

2057
01:31:30,679 --> 01:31:34,320
know three minutes and we'll be here

2058
01:31:34,320 --> 01:31:38,000
forever yeah so um so the first person

2059
01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:39,400
that I have on the list tonight is

2060
01:31:39,400 --> 01:31:41,920
actually Peter Browning and um

2061
01:31:41,920 --> 01:31:51,350
commissioner

2062
01:31:51,360 --> 01:31:53,480
Browning good evening I'm Peter Browning

2063
01:31:53,480 --> 01:31:56,639
County commissioner and um thanks for

2064
01:31:56,639 --> 01:31:58,719
joining us I do have to clarify a few

2065
01:31:58,719 --> 01:32:01,000
things I was listed as one of the

2066
01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:04,199
Consultants we met once and none of this

2067
01:32:04,199 --> 01:32:05,880
was discussed the location none of it

2068
01:32:05,880 --> 01:32:07,199
was really discussed so it's a little

2069
01:32:07,199 --> 01:32:09,119
uncomfortable seeing my name listed as

2070
01:32:09,119 --> 01:32:10,639
as a consultant in your

2071
01:32:10,639 --> 01:32:13,119
paperwork

2072
01:32:13,119 --> 01:32:16,560
um also I want to hear if there's a

2073
01:32:16,560 --> 01:32:18,679
difference between proximity to the

2074
01:32:18,679 --> 01:32:20,719
power station or proximity to the

2075
01:32:20,719 --> 01:32:23,040
Bonville power administration's major

2076
01:32:23,040 --> 01:32:25,840
Tower over head which would be a massive

2077
01:32:25,840 --> 01:32:28,239
input to a grid and a grid that would

2078
01:32:28,239 --> 01:32:30,760
serve the whole state so when you talk

2079
01:32:30,760 --> 01:32:31,560
about

2080
01:32:31,560 --> 01:32:33,960
proximity what is it so that's really

2081
01:32:33,960 --> 01:32:35,880
important to me knowing if it's a a

2082
01:32:35,880 --> 01:32:39,600
money maker for an overall grid um there

2083
01:32:39,600 --> 01:32:41,719
may be a place for battery farms in our

2084
01:32:41,719 --> 01:32:43,880
County but scet with the flood Plains

2085
01:32:43,880 --> 01:32:46,520
the farmland and next to a creek a creek

2086
01:32:46,520 --> 01:32:48,639
we've just spent Millions on just

2087
01:32:48,639 --> 01:32:50,600
restoring millions of dollars over the

2088
01:32:50,600 --> 01:32:52,840
last 10 years have restored that Creek

2089
01:32:52,840 --> 01:32:55,679
to its salmon recovery y it's not this

2090
01:32:55,679 --> 01:32:57,840
is not the place for this the county is

2091
01:32:57,840 --> 01:32:59,480
not against battery Banks we the

2092
01:32:59,480 --> 01:33:01,320
Commissioners and said absolutely it it

2093
01:33:01,320 --> 01:33:03,560
is a part of the bigger picture of of

2094
01:33:03,560 --> 01:33:06,760
care and power but we're aware that

2095
01:33:06,760 --> 01:33:08,520
other possible locations this County may

2096
01:33:08,520 --> 01:33:10,400
be more perfect thank you alen for that

2097
01:33:10,400 --> 01:33:12,000
I appreciate you asking that question

2098
01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:14,320
there are other places so we do however

2099
01:33:14,320 --> 01:33:16,600
believe that they should be required to

2100
01:33:16,600 --> 01:33:18,800
follow our most serious land use

2101
01:33:18,800 --> 01:33:21,880
requirements not bypass them with fsec

2102
01:33:21,880 --> 01:33:24,320
that's frustrating for us next to a

2103
01:33:24,320 --> 01:33:26,000
creek or a river this is just tooo

2104
01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:27,679
obvious they can't guarantee that you

2105
01:33:27,679 --> 01:33:29,360
get a response from a team in here under

2106
01:33:29,360 --> 01:33:31,920
24 hours that was the discussion 3 weeks

2107
01:33:31,920 --> 01:33:34,560
ago you can't get somebody here in under

2108
01:33:34,560 --> 01:33:37,639
24 hours 24 hours is not good enough for

2109
01:33:37,639 --> 01:33:39,880
when you're putting volunteer firemen at

2110
01:33:39,880 --> 01:33:42,199
risk all of our firemen for the most

2111
01:33:42,199 --> 01:33:43,840
part are volunteers you're putting them

2112
01:33:43,840 --> 01:33:45,840
at risk with something that is

2113
01:33:45,840 --> 01:33:48,840
potentially quite dangerous so again 24

2114
01:33:48,840 --> 01:33:51,760
hours um there's not a way we can allow

2115
01:33:51,760 --> 01:33:54,320
a stream that feeds into the SC the

2116
01:33:54,320 --> 01:33:57,600
third largest river on the west coast

2117
01:33:57,600 --> 01:33:59,320
could could get damaged from the runoff

2118
01:33:59,320 --> 01:34:01,760
from any impact from this from these the

2119
01:34:01,760 --> 01:34:04,000
batteries we need to be assured because

2120
01:34:04,000 --> 01:34:05,800
again the third largest river on the

2121
01:34:05,800 --> 01:34:10,119
west coast massive Salmon River and H

2122
01:34:10,119 --> 01:34:13,320
and Creek goes right into it if a flood

2123
01:34:13,320 --> 01:34:15,199
Covers Part or all of the battery Bank

2124
01:34:15,199 --> 01:34:16,440
during flood season now here's another

2125
01:34:16,440 --> 01:34:18,560
inconsistency you said it would be low

2126
01:34:18,560 --> 01:34:20,639
profile and then right after that you're

2127
01:34:20,639 --> 01:34:24,119
saying no it's up on stilts which is it

2128
01:34:24,119 --> 01:34:26,560
uh it can't be both so we need to know

2129
01:34:26,560 --> 01:34:27,920
is it going to be way up and it's going

2130
01:34:27,920 --> 01:34:29,760
be quite visible and offensive or is it

2131
01:34:29,760 --> 01:34:31,280
going to be low profile being very

2132
01:34:31,280 --> 01:34:34,639
vulnerable to um a flood and a flood

2133
01:34:34,639 --> 01:34:36,280
around here are very very massive at

2134
01:34:36,280 --> 01:34:38,360
times they're very scary they're huge

2135
01:34:38,360 --> 01:34:39,920
and that would be really one of the one

2136
01:34:39,920 --> 01:34:41,400
of the waterways

2137
01:34:41,400 --> 01:34:45,560
so um so it could be detrimental impact

2138
01:34:45,560 --> 01:34:48,520
on the Hansen Creek and the gadget again

2139
01:34:48,520 --> 01:34:50,119
uh and I understand this is new

2140
01:34:50,119 --> 01:34:52,199
technology I understand that but at the

2141
01:34:52,199 --> 01:34:54,400
same time I don't feel comfortable being

2142
01:34:54,400 --> 01:34:58,159
the test case for new technology um one

2143
01:34:58,159 --> 01:35:00,480
place that's in operation and quite a

2144
01:35:00,480 --> 01:35:02,080
few more in the works absolutely and

2145
01:35:02,080 --> 01:35:03,360
this could be the best thing in the

2146
01:35:03,360 --> 01:35:05,560
world but we have to be assured that

2147
01:35:05,560 --> 01:35:07,119
we're not going to be put at risk

2148
01:35:07,119 --> 01:35:08,280
commissioner Brown in your three minutes

2149
01:35:08,280 --> 01:35:09,840
is up I apologize your three minutes is

2150
01:35:09,840 --> 01:35:12,719
up um also I want to address the the

2151
01:35:12,719 --> 01:35:16,360
count or the uh public here that it was

2152
01:35:16,360 --> 01:35:17,840
a it was a presentation that was given

2153
01:35:17,840 --> 01:35:19,320
to the council so when you're giving

2154
01:35:19,320 --> 01:35:20,639
public comment the public comment should

2155
01:35:20,639 --> 01:35:21,960
be also addressed to the council those

2156
01:35:21,960 --> 01:35:23,440
are excellent questions I don't want to

2157
01:35:23,440 --> 01:35:25,480
dis miss any of them not in one of them

2158
01:35:25,480 --> 01:35:28,239
not even your comment but um just

2159
01:35:28,239 --> 01:35:29,360
they're they're not here to answer

2160
01:35:29,360 --> 01:35:31,719
questions for the public so thank you

2161
01:35:31,719 --> 01:35:39,950
yeah thank

2162
01:35:39,960 --> 01:35:49,830
you uh Connie

2163
01:35:49,840 --> 01:35:54,520
CER oh I can talk fast

2164
01:35:54,520 --> 01:35:57,239
okay hi my name is Connie CER and I am a

2165
01:35:57,239 --> 01:35:58,960
board certified Safety Management

2166
01:35:58,960 --> 01:36:00,480
specialist and I work in industrial

2167
01:36:00,480 --> 01:36:02,560
safety and health for a living but today

2168
01:36:02,560 --> 01:36:03,679
that's not what I'm going to talk to you

2169
01:36:03,679 --> 01:36:06,280
about um in the late 1960s the

2170
01:36:06,280 --> 01:36:08,080
government and the energy companies were

2171
01:36:08,080 --> 01:36:09,840
telling all of us including those of us

2172
01:36:09,840 --> 01:36:12,560
in scet county and they that the demand

2173
01:36:12,560 --> 01:36:14,639
in this state and Nation would exceed

2174
01:36:14,639 --> 01:36:16,679
the supply that we have for energy

2175
01:36:16,679 --> 01:36:19,040
unless we built nuclear power plants

2176
01:36:19,040 --> 01:36:21,360
there was six supposedly supposed to be

2177
01:36:21,360 --> 01:36:23,119
built in Washington state one here on

2178
01:36:23,119 --> 01:36:24,239
backas

2179
01:36:24,239 --> 01:36:25,920
the citizens were told by politicians

2180
01:36:25,920 --> 01:36:27,760
and corporations that this was the

2181
01:36:27,760 --> 01:36:29,840
newest and best form of energy and it

2182
01:36:29,840 --> 01:36:32,480
would solve all of our energy needs with

2183
01:36:32,480 --> 01:36:34,960
minimal environmental impact citizens of

2184
01:36:34,960 --> 01:36:37,840
skic County knew better and after a long

2185
01:36:37,840 --> 01:36:40,320
hardfought battle to save backis hill

2186
01:36:40,320 --> 01:36:44,080
and samish Island in 1980 after 12 years

2187
01:36:44,080 --> 01:36:45,520
the plans for the power plants were

2188
01:36:45,520 --> 01:36:47,600
moved to Hanford Gadget County

2189
01:36:47,600 --> 01:36:49,600
implemented regulations to prevent this

2190
01:36:49,600 --> 01:36:50,960
from happening again when it came to

2191
01:36:50,960 --> 01:36:54,600
nuclear power yet here we are again

2192
01:36:54,600 --> 01:36:57,159
with the newest fad for politicians and

2193
01:36:57,159 --> 01:37:00,560
for corporations the same old snake oil

2194
01:37:00,560 --> 01:37:03,360
with a new label and new Peddlers that's

2195
01:37:03,360 --> 01:37:06,280
it we're here being told generation

2196
01:37:06,280 --> 01:37:08,679
after generation that giving up our

2197
01:37:08,679 --> 01:37:12,040
environment for energy projects that are

2198
01:37:12,040 --> 01:37:14,760
supposedly in our interests when the

2199
01:37:14,760 --> 01:37:16,920
reality is the more energy that's made

2200
01:37:16,920 --> 01:37:18,679
and saved it just means that the more

2201
01:37:18,679 --> 01:37:21,679
energy is sold and used this cycle is

2202
01:37:21,679 --> 01:37:23,800
devastating and it is our job job as

2203
01:37:23,800 --> 01:37:25,560
Citizens to continue our Legacy of

2204
01:37:25,560 --> 01:37:27,000
protecting the gadget Valley from

2205
01:37:27,000 --> 01:37:29,159
corporate greed and outof count

2206
01:37:29,159 --> 01:37:31,400
interests Washington is at a Crossroads

2207
01:37:31,400 --> 01:37:32,920
and it's evident by the vast number of

2208
01:37:32,920 --> 01:37:34,480
energy companies that are flooding into

2209
01:37:34,480 --> 01:37:36,719
Washington to become the next richest

2210
01:37:36,719 --> 01:37:38,960
corporation with multiple forms of clean

2211
01:37:38,960 --> 01:37:41,280
energy taking over our farmlands that do

2212
01:37:41,280 --> 01:37:43,080
not provide a sustainable future for our

2213
01:37:43,080 --> 01:37:44,599
children or for

2214
01:37:44,599 --> 01:37:46,360
ourselves there's a term that was

2215
01:37:46,360 --> 01:37:47,800
recently brought to my attention it's

2216
01:37:47,800 --> 01:37:50,760
called greenwashing it means something

2217
01:37:50,760 --> 01:37:53,000
such as a product or policy or a

2218
01:37:53,000 --> 01:37:54,080
practice

2219
01:37:54,080 --> 01:37:56,159
that appears to be more environmentally

2220
01:37:56,159 --> 01:37:58,400
friendly or less environmentally

2221
01:37:58,400 --> 01:38:00,960
damaging than it really

2222
01:38:00,960 --> 01:38:03,360
is currently in Washington state there

2223
01:38:03,360 --> 01:38:06,199
are 88,000 acres of land under lease

2224
01:38:06,199 --> 01:38:09,480
agreement for green energy projects many

2225
01:38:09,480 --> 01:38:11,440
of those acres are undeveloped or

2226
01:38:11,440 --> 01:38:15,159
farmlands or native lands um CRA wooly

2227
01:38:15,159 --> 01:38:16,520
bears the burden of being the major

2228
01:38:16,520 --> 01:38:18,360
support for all of scet County from here

2229
01:38:18,360 --> 01:38:20,599
all the way up River the burden of care

2230
01:38:20,599 --> 01:38:22,800
and services Falls to Cedar Woolly and

2231
01:38:22,800 --> 01:38:25,679
all the CI U River and we hold our own

2232
01:38:25,679 --> 01:38:27,560
in the case of an emergency corporations

2233
01:38:27,560 --> 01:38:28,800
aren't going to be here they're not

2234
01:38:28,800 --> 01:38:30,000
going to be here to help us they're

2235
01:38:30,000 --> 01:38:31,480
going to cut bait and leave behind

2236
01:38:31,480 --> 01:38:34,800
lawyers and the laundry list of llc's

2237
01:38:34,800 --> 01:38:37,119
and layers and layers of people that are

2238
01:38:37,119 --> 01:38:41,239
supposedly working to service this plant

2239
01:38:41,239 --> 01:38:43,239
the people of cedra wooly are resilient

2240
01:38:43,239 --> 01:38:45,199
they're strong and they have long

2241
01:38:45,199 --> 01:38:49,480
memories they waited for years to and

2242
01:38:49,480 --> 01:38:51,440
they waited a few years to try these

2243
01:38:51,440 --> 01:38:53,599
same old tricks again and it's not going

2244
01:38:53,599 --> 01:38:55,360
to fly it took 12 years last time of

2245
01:38:55,360 --> 01:38:56,960
fighting and all of these people here

2246
01:38:56,960 --> 01:38:58,400
are willing to spend 12 more years

2247
01:38:58,400 --> 01:39:07,229
fighting this

2248
01:39:07,239 --> 01:39:12,750
one Scott

2249
01:39:12,760 --> 01:39:15,440
Patterson hi everybody thanks for coming

2250
01:39:15,440 --> 01:39:17,599
uh my name is Scott Patterson I'm just a

2251
01:39:17,599 --> 01:39:19,639
concerned citizen I don't have a long

2252
01:39:19,639 --> 01:39:20,960
list of

2253
01:39:20,960 --> 01:39:22,760
qualifications uh but the first thing I

2254
01:39:22,760 --> 01:39:24,920
want to do is thank you folks for saying

2255
01:39:24,920 --> 01:39:26,280
everything that I was going to stand up

2256
01:39:26,280 --> 01:39:27,280
here and

2257
01:39:27,280 --> 01:39:30,719
say and uh I mean I I was raised in this

2258
01:39:30,719 --> 01:39:33,080
Valley I raised my kids my kids are

2259
01:39:33,080 --> 01:39:35,080
raising their kids right next door to

2260
01:39:35,080 --> 01:39:38,400
this place and I don't believe a thing

2261
01:39:38,400 --> 01:39:40,560
about it being safe there's just too

2262
01:39:40,560 --> 01:39:43,840
many potential problems and um we really

2263
01:39:43,840 --> 01:39:45,280
think you can find another place for it

2264
01:39:45,280 --> 01:39:46,639
I'm going to give up the rest of my time

2265
01:39:46,639 --> 01:39:48,719
there's 40 people that signed up that's

2266
01:39:48,719 --> 01:40:00,990
two hours thank you thank you Judy hogas

2267
01:40:01,000 --> 01:40:03,239
okay first of all I can say I want to

2268
01:40:03,239 --> 01:40:06,199
change and make other comments that I

2269
01:40:06,199 --> 01:40:08,679
wrote down here but I'm G to stick to

2270
01:40:08,679 --> 01:40:10,520
what I

2271
01:40:10,520 --> 01:40:12,800
wrote um first of all my name is Judy

2272
01:40:12,800 --> 01:40:15,520
hoges I live on Warner Street 401 Warner

2273
01:40:15,520 --> 01:40:17,599
Street in Cedar woly I know many of you

2274
01:40:17,599 --> 01:40:20,480
personally friends acquaintances all of

2275
01:40:20,480 --> 01:40:22,239
it some new acquaintances that have just

2276
01:40:22,239 --> 01:40:24,480
stepped up for me

2277
01:40:24,480 --> 01:40:26,480
um first of all I'm a former vice

2278
01:40:26,480 --> 01:40:27,960
president real estate loan and

2279
01:40:27,960 --> 01:40:29,560
Commercial loan officer per People's

2280
01:40:29,560 --> 01:40:31,199
Bank which is a locally family-owned

2281
01:40:31,199 --> 01:40:35,360
Bank in Wacom County and I did many

2282
01:40:35,360 --> 01:40:37,159
commercial properties with developers on

2283
01:40:37,159 --> 01:40:42,320
land be it Wetlands be it floods flood

2284
01:40:42,320 --> 01:40:44,639
zones and you know I can understand

2285
01:40:44,639 --> 01:40:47,080
mitigating the wetlands okay I'm going

2286
01:40:47,080 --> 01:40:49,800
off script you guys I'm winging it here

2287
01:40:49,800 --> 01:40:52,119
um mitigating and taking another parcel

2288
01:40:52,119 --> 01:40:53,599
somewhere else and saying that's your

2289
01:40:53,599 --> 01:40:57,000
Wetlands your tradeoff I get that the

2290
01:40:57,000 --> 01:41:00,520
flood zones you can bring in your 60,000

2291
01:41:00,520 --> 01:41:02,679
cubic yards of Phill I think is what you

2292
01:41:02,679 --> 01:41:05,119
guys are proposing to do you bring that

2293
01:41:05,119 --> 01:41:07,480
into that site have you guys planned on

2294
01:41:07,480 --> 01:41:08,400
what it's going to do to the other

2295
01:41:08,400 --> 01:41:11,119
Parcels that surround you water's going

2296
01:41:11,119 --> 01:41:14,080
to run downhill to the lowest point

2297
01:41:14,080 --> 01:41:16,880
developers got shut down so many times

2298
01:41:16,880 --> 01:41:19,920
for housing developments to be put in

2299
01:41:19,920 --> 01:41:22,320
because of they were in a flood zone if

2300
01:41:22,320 --> 01:41:24,239
they had a water Source on their

2301
01:41:24,239 --> 01:41:26,440
property a small cck let alone being a

2302
01:41:26,440 --> 01:41:28,480
salmon bearing cck of five species of

2303
01:41:28,480 --> 01:41:31,400
salmon that are born in that cck they go

2304
01:41:31,400 --> 01:41:33,520
out to the ocean they come back and they

2305
01:41:33,520 --> 01:41:35,520
spawn in that cck that doesn't happen

2306
01:41:35,520 --> 01:41:38,080
very often we've done an investment

2307
01:41:38,080 --> 01:41:39,960
millions of millions of dollars before

2308
01:41:39,960 --> 01:41:42,239
my time here in Cedar

2309
01:41:42,239 --> 01:41:45,400
willly and you know to say it won't

2310
01:41:45,400 --> 01:41:49,520
happen it it can't happen um we it just

2311
01:41:49,520 --> 01:41:51,480
it just is amazing to me all my mind is

2312
01:41:51,480 --> 01:41:54,159
scrambled from this meeting already but

2313
01:41:54,159 --> 01:41:57,119
the biggest thing when a commercial

2314
01:41:57,119 --> 01:41:58,840
development developer came in I'm going

2315
01:41:58,840 --> 01:42:01,520
to go fast here is he had come in he or

2316
01:42:01,520 --> 01:42:03,360
she would come in and he' have a plan

2317
01:42:03,360 --> 01:42:06,040
he'd have a business model he knew what

2318
01:42:06,040 --> 01:42:08,320
he was going to make how many homes what

2319
01:42:08,320 --> 01:42:10,159
style homes how much they were going to

2320
01:42:10,159 --> 01:42:12,520
go for what his profit was going to

2321
01:42:12,520 --> 01:42:15,119
be you guys are saying well we don't

2322
01:42:15,119 --> 01:42:17,760
have all our business model get together

2323
01:42:17,760 --> 01:42:20,199
together quite yet we don't have our

2324
01:42:20,199 --> 01:42:22,760
fire safety plan issued yet but you guys

2325
01:42:22,760 --> 01:42:24,199
take the risk in the community we'll let

2326
01:42:24,199 --> 01:42:27,440
you know what we come up with and as our

2327
01:42:27,440 --> 01:42:31,719
commissioner Patterson he mentioned that

2328
01:42:31,719 --> 01:42:33,440
um Browning commissioner Browning I'm

2329
01:42:33,440 --> 01:42:36,639
sorry um Browning that we're a volunteer

2330
01:42:36,639 --> 01:42:38,480
base I don't know if you guys know what

2331
01:42:38,480 --> 01:42:40,560
that is our community steps up and

2332
01:42:40,560 --> 01:42:42,040
volunteers their time to go fight

2333
01:42:42,040 --> 01:42:45,000
battles of hires emergencies in our town

2334
01:42:45,000 --> 01:42:46,159
and when they have to go out and fight

2335
01:42:46,159 --> 01:42:47,840
your battle our town is going to be

2336
01:42:47,840 --> 01:42:51,960
limited and exposed and just at risk we

2337
01:42:51,960 --> 01:42:53,440
won't have the coverage that we need for

2338
01:42:53,440 --> 01:42:55,320
our community and our citizens to be

2339
01:42:55,320 --> 01:42:58,239
safe I'm going to shut down I didn't say

2340
01:42:58,239 --> 01:42:59,679
anything I

2341
01:42:59,679 --> 01:43:03,639
wrote and I'm just I'm so angry I'm so

2342
01:43:03,639 --> 01:43:06,119
angry but the biggest thing now you guys

2343
01:43:06,119 --> 01:43:08,080
um your time is up can I say one thing

2344
01:43:08,080 --> 01:43:11,960
Julia please just give me Scotty's time

2345
01:43:11,960 --> 01:43:14,199
the the time is now for our community to

2346
01:43:14,199 --> 01:43:16,199
stand up you guys showed that tonight

2347
01:43:16,199 --> 01:43:18,880
and I appreciate every butt in the feet

2348
01:43:18,880 --> 01:43:21,480
if you don't talk I don't care but I

2349
01:43:21,480 --> 01:43:22,960
don't want you guys to think you can

2350
01:43:22,960 --> 01:43:24,520
come come in here and first of all take

2351
01:43:24,520 --> 01:43:27,280
our Eggland then you jeopardize our

2352
01:43:27,280 --> 01:43:29,800
waterways our water source you

2353
01:43:29,800 --> 01:43:32,360
jeopardize our wildlife and most of all

2354
01:43:32,360 --> 01:43:35,520
you jeopardize citizens 10,000 over

2355
01:43:35,520 --> 01:43:38,040
what's in this room and we're the

2356
01:43:38,040 --> 01:43:39,360
community that's going to take on all

2357
01:43:39,360 --> 01:43:43,119
the risks okay thank you okay and I'm

2358
01:43:43,119 --> 01:43:47,830
sorry thank

2359
01:43:47,840 --> 01:43:50,400
you so Matt

2360
01:43:50,400 --> 01:43:53,239
Phillips Matt Phillips and a reminder

2361
01:43:53,239 --> 01:43:56,840
you're addressing the council I'm sorry

2362
01:43:56,840 --> 01:43:57,920
I want to make

2363
01:43:57,920 --> 01:44:00,840
iact no Matt Phillips okay how about

2364
01:44:00,840 --> 01:44:14,990
Matt

2365
01:44:15,000 --> 01:44:17,480
Steinman first off I want to I want to

2366
01:44:17,480 --> 01:44:20,239
thank um Mayor Johnson and our entire

2367
01:44:20,239 --> 01:44:22,560
city council for all that you do for

2368
01:44:22,560 --> 01:44:24,159
this community

2369
01:44:24,159 --> 01:44:26,599
and uh and all the Fantastic questions

2370
01:44:26,599 --> 01:44:28,920
that you you all posed today I think

2371
01:44:28,920 --> 01:44:31,000
there's a lot of people who had like we

2372
01:44:31,000 --> 01:44:33,159
all talked about had more questions than

2373
01:44:33,159 --> 01:44:35,400
answers which is concerning um but thank

2374
01:44:35,400 --> 01:44:39,880
you for the enlightening questions um so

2375
01:44:39,880 --> 01:44:43,199
again my name is Matt styman I um am a

2376
01:44:43,199 --> 01:44:44,719
fifth generation

2377
01:44:44,719 --> 01:44:48,480
scatoni um I I've been farming

2378
01:44:48,480 --> 01:44:50,480
organically here in scet for more than

2379
01:44:50,480 --> 01:44:53,679
20 years I currently manage more than

2380
01:44:53,679 --> 01:44:55,960
200 Acres of organic Farmland the

2381
01:44:55,960 --> 01:44:58,400
majority of which is just Downstream

2382
01:44:58,400 --> 01:45:00,639
from the proposed site Hansen Creek goes

2383
01:45:00,639 --> 01:45:04,199
through our farm for almost a mile and

2384
01:45:04,199 --> 01:45:07,000
we have put substantial amounts of of

2385
01:45:07,000 --> 01:45:10,960
energy and work into into um sustaining

2386
01:45:10,960 --> 01:45:13,840
and regenerating the creek and helping

2387
01:45:13,840 --> 01:45:16,159
to bring back all five forms of

2388
01:45:16,159 --> 01:45:18,760
androgenous salmon that we are now very

2389
01:45:18,760 --> 01:45:21,960
proud to see come and spawn and go back

2390
01:45:21,960 --> 01:45:24,880
down and organic farming

2391
01:45:24,880 --> 01:45:29,480
is you have to work one with with nature

2392
01:45:29,480 --> 01:45:33,199
and so I'm here today like I said I'm a

2393
01:45:33,199 --> 01:45:35,199
farmer um but I'm not here as a farmer

2394
01:45:35,199 --> 01:45:38,360
today I take that hat off I'm here as a

2395
01:45:38,360 --> 01:45:41,760
scatoni as a father and as a very

2396
01:45:41,760 --> 01:45:45,520
concerned resident and um I just I need

2397
01:45:45,520 --> 01:45:49,760
to speak for for the land and and again

2398
01:45:49,760 --> 01:45:51,800
the questions have not been answered in

2399
01:45:51,800 --> 01:45:53,560
any appropriate way and in fact there's

2400
01:45:53,560 --> 01:45:55,880
more questions than there were um but I

2401
01:45:55,880 --> 01:45:58,719
want to take a step back so more than 45

2402
01:45:58,719 --> 01:46:01,440
years ago this County in the and the

2403
01:46:01,440 --> 01:46:04,360
citizens endeavored to protect our

2404
01:46:04,360 --> 01:46:07,080
number one natural resource which is our

2405
01:46:07,080 --> 01:46:09,840
farmland and the way we did that or one

2406
01:46:09,840 --> 01:46:12,880
of the ways that we did that was to

2407
01:46:12,880 --> 01:46:16,239
create the egg NRL zoning reality and

2408
01:46:16,239 --> 01:46:18,119
what this does is allow us to only have

2409
01:46:18,119 --> 01:46:21,080
one house per 40 acres so that a family

2410
01:46:21,080 --> 01:46:25,080
farm can actually own enough land to be

2411
01:46:25,080 --> 01:46:27,400
sustainable now I would I would argue

2412
01:46:27,400 --> 01:46:29,520
that those economics have changed in the

2413
01:46:29,520 --> 01:46:32,080
last 40 years and it's you need probably

2414
01:46:32,080 --> 01:46:33,920
more than 40 acres if you really want to

2415
01:46:33,920 --> 01:46:36,760
be a viable farmer you're almost just a

2416
01:46:36,760 --> 01:46:39,840
gentleman Farmer at 40 acres anymore um

2417
01:46:39,840 --> 01:46:42,119
and but what that really does when you

2418
01:46:42,119 --> 01:46:46,280
remove the tax burden on that land is it

2419
01:46:46,280 --> 01:46:50,040
allows the farmer to to have a cost

2420
01:46:50,040 --> 01:46:52,560
structure that they can actually they

2421
01:46:52,560 --> 01:46:55,880
can afford farming is more work in heart

2422
01:46:55,880 --> 01:46:58,320
BL Blood Sweat and Tears there's not a

2423
01:46:58,320 --> 01:47:02,360
lot of profit margin in it and so what I

2424
01:47:02,360 --> 01:47:04,760
see here happening is we have we have

2425
01:47:04,760 --> 01:47:07,800
large companies coming in and and trying

2426
01:47:07,800 --> 01:47:10,760
to swoop in on this Farmland that has

2427
01:47:10,760 --> 01:47:13,719
it's not devalued um from my standpoint

2428
01:47:13,719 --> 01:47:15,239
and this community standpoint this is

2429
01:47:15,239 --> 01:47:17,400
our natural resource again but it is

2430
01:47:17,400 --> 01:47:19,880
devalued from a financial standpoint to

2431
01:47:19,880 --> 01:47:22,920
allow farming to maintain itself in this

2432
01:47:22,920 --> 01:47:25,040
Community Matt I'm sorry your time is up

2433
01:47:25,040 --> 01:47:31,709
thank you thank you but Sally

2434
01:47:31,719 --> 01:47:36,430
Carlson thank you Council I

2435
01:47:36,440 --> 01:47:40,119
appreciate Council mayor

2436
01:47:40,119 --> 01:47:43,280
Community I'm Sally Carlson my parents

2437
01:47:43,280 --> 01:47:45,280
were graduates of the high school here

2438
01:47:45,280 --> 01:47:46,040
in

2439
01:47:46,040 --> 01:47:50,199
1952 and 53 my grandparents and my mom

2440
01:47:50,199 --> 01:47:54,679
grew up just down the road from where

2441
01:47:54,679 --> 01:47:58,360
this proposed site is um my grandfather

2442
01:47:58,360 --> 01:48:01,840
fished on the gadget for salmon my

2443
01:48:01,840 --> 01:48:03,679
parents grandparents my

2444
01:48:03,679 --> 01:48:06,040
great-grandparents are all buried here

2445
01:48:06,040 --> 01:48:11,280
on this land my kids my grandkids live

2446
01:48:11,280 --> 01:48:14,840
here the people who serve on this

2447
01:48:14,840 --> 01:48:18,920
Council our County Commissioners and our

2448
01:48:18,920 --> 01:48:20,960
other elected

2449
01:48:20,960 --> 01:48:23,920
officials they make the law

2450
01:48:23,920 --> 01:48:28,480
and rules for our people we elect them

2451
01:48:28,480 --> 01:48:31,750
to do

2452
01:48:31,760 --> 01:48:38,510
this the people on the FC committee were

2453
01:48:38,520 --> 01:48:41,400
appointed they are steamrolling these

2454
01:48:41,400 --> 01:48:44,560
energy projects through without regard

2455
01:48:44,560 --> 01:48:47,790
for the

2456
01:48:47,800 --> 01:48:51,040
residents of this Valley they're using

2457
01:48:51,040 --> 01:48:54,119
our Farmland taking away housing

2458
01:48:54,119 --> 01:48:56,320
endangering our

2459
01:48:56,320 --> 01:49:00,560
Wildlife um and our drinking water

2460
01:49:00,560 --> 01:49:01,800
that's

2461
01:49:01,800 --> 01:49:05,679
concerning this is government overreach

2462
01:49:05,679 --> 01:49:08,880
it's overreaching our city and county

2463
01:49:08,880 --> 01:49:12,800
regulations and laws without due

2464
01:49:12,800 --> 01:49:14,440
diligence

2465
01:49:14,440 --> 01:49:17,599
tanasa has farmed out parts of this

2466
01:49:17,599 --> 01:49:21,280
application Pro process to contractors

2467
01:49:21,280 --> 01:49:25,239
who have obviously never stepped foot on

2468
01:49:25,239 --> 01:49:27,040
that parcel of

2469
01:49:27,040 --> 01:49:29,800
land to read these reports you would

2470
01:49:29,800 --> 01:49:32,400
think that it's a desolate parcel of

2471
01:49:32,400 --> 01:49:34,040
land

2472
01:49:34,040 --> 01:49:37,159
Barren quite the opposite Hansen Creek

2473
01:49:37,159 --> 01:49:39,880
is a living breathing stream with

2474
01:49:39,880 --> 01:49:42,480
salmon it provides for the nearby

2475
01:49:42,480 --> 01:49:44,719
nesting

2476
01:49:44,719 --> 01:49:47,360
Eagles it provides for the deer that

2477
01:49:47,360 --> 01:49:50,480
cross that land it provides for our elk

2478
01:49:50,480 --> 01:49:54,360
herd here in this Valley lithium

2479
01:49:54,360 --> 01:49:57,639
batteries are not the solution they are

2480
01:49:57,639 --> 01:49:59,000
a

2481
01:49:59,000 --> 01:50:01,520
Band-Aid they destroy more of our

2482
01:50:01,520 --> 01:50:04,400
environment to produce these toxic

2483
01:50:04,400 --> 01:50:08,080
things a battery storage site does not

2484
01:50:08,080 --> 01:50:11,599
belong on this productive Rural

2485
01:50:11,599 --> 01:50:17,360
Community Land so stop stop the insanity

2486
01:50:17,360 --> 01:50:19,280
all right thank

2487
01:50:19,280 --> 01:50:24,550
you Al Chandler

2488
01:50:24,560 --> 01:50:34,070
Al

2489
01:50:34,080 --> 01:50:37,800
Chandler thank you all Al Chandler uh

2490
01:50:37,800 --> 01:50:39,239
currently

2491
01:50:39,239 --> 01:50:41,880
um property owner in cedra willly and a

2492
01:50:41,880 --> 01:50:45,440
business owner and I agree with all of

2493
01:50:45,440 --> 01:50:50,520
you and I am am ask the city to U do

2494
01:50:50,520 --> 01:50:53,119
what they can to stop this before it

2495
01:50:53,119 --> 01:50:54,119
gets

2496
01:50:54,119 --> 01:50:57,440
crazy and somebody gets hurt and I'll

2497
01:50:57,440 --> 01:50:59,239
pass my time to people have better

2498
01:50:59,239 --> 01:51:05,189
things to say thank

2499
01:51:05,199 --> 01:51:13,709
you thank you Lance

2500
01:51:13,719 --> 01:51:16,960
Hansen so we're a local farming family

2501
01:51:16,960 --> 01:51:19,440
uh we've been around on burmaster road

2502
01:51:19,440 --> 01:51:21,000
which is the next Road over since the

2503
01:51:21,000 --> 01:51:22,719
1940s

2504
01:51:22,719 --> 01:51:24,400
we've owned the farm there it's less

2505
01:51:24,400 --> 01:51:27,000
than two miles from this site uh my

2506
01:51:27,000 --> 01:51:29,480
biggest issue is the loss of Farmland uh

2507
01:51:29,480 --> 01:51:31,400
this is the last true agricultural

2508
01:51:31,400 --> 01:51:32,760
County north of

2509
01:51:32,760 --> 01:51:34,920
Olympia and uh we have a history of

2510
01:51:34,920 --> 01:51:37,199
farming in this area and Farms protect

2511
01:51:37,199 --> 01:51:39,199
open space and human sustenance by

2512
01:51:39,199 --> 01:51:41,440
producing the food that you eat without

2513
01:51:41,440 --> 01:51:43,800
Farms you L lose basic human survival

2514
01:51:43,800 --> 01:51:46,560
and food security also grown locals an

2515
01:51:46,560 --> 01:51:48,320
important aspect that will be lost if

2516
01:51:48,320 --> 01:51:50,159
Farmland continues to be lost to

2517
01:51:50,159 --> 01:51:53,599
projects like this uh Farms protect open

2518
01:51:53,599 --> 01:51:55,719
space for wildlife elk and deer roam

2519
01:51:55,719 --> 01:51:57,320
this area I actually just saw three

2520
01:51:57,320 --> 01:51:59,360
Blacktail deer out there two weeks ago

2521
01:51:59,360 --> 01:52:01,960
driving to my parents house uh it's a

2522
01:52:01,960 --> 01:52:04,360
lie that this place has not been farmed

2523
01:52:04,360 --> 01:52:06,079
uh hay has made there annually and the

2524
01:52:06,079 --> 01:52:08,800
previous owner at a horse farm I drove

2525
01:52:08,800 --> 01:52:11,280
by twice a day by this place uh my whole

2526
01:52:11,280 --> 01:52:13,840
life so uh Farmland is already

2527
01:52:13,840 --> 01:52:16,280
threatened by uh growth development and

2528
01:52:16,280 --> 01:52:18,520
Industry and you not cannot replace it

2529
01:52:18,520 --> 01:52:20,760
once it is gone we must protect what

2530
01:52:20,760 --> 01:52:22,560
little is left from development as it is

2531
01:52:22,560 --> 01:52:24,960
as a finite resource there is also the

2532
01:52:24,960 --> 01:52:26,679
loss of income and local jobs from

2533
01:52:26,679 --> 01:52:29,400
losing Farmland over time it's a huge

2534
01:52:29,400 --> 01:52:31,920
part of the gadget County economy I do

2535
01:52:31,920 --> 01:52:33,320
not support this project and it's

2536
01:52:33,320 --> 01:52:35,639
obviously the whole Community is against

2537
01:52:35,639 --> 01:52:37,520
it as well as the local Farm Bureau I'm

2538
01:52:37,520 --> 01:52:39,239
on the farm schad County Farm Bureau

2539
01:52:39,239 --> 01:52:41,159
board and we're against this project

2540
01:52:41,159 --> 01:52:43,360
because of the loss of Farmland we

2541
01:52:43,360 --> 01:52:45,440
cannot allow this to happen to lose more

2542
01:52:45,440 --> 01:52:48,199
Farmland in this County also how can you

2543
01:52:48,199 --> 01:52:49,960
call this a green energy project it's

2544
01:52:49,960 --> 01:52:52,159
only energy storage not actually Greenly

2545
01:52:52,159 --> 01:52:54,360
produced proding energy so to me that's

2546
01:52:54,360 --> 01:52:55,360
kind of a

2547
01:52:55,360 --> 01:52:58,440
misnomer so basically I don't want the

2548
01:52:58,440 --> 01:53:00,840
loss of Farmland as important to me so

2549
01:53:00,840 --> 01:53:05,430
all right thank

2550
01:53:05,440 --> 01:53:14,030
you Pam

2551
01:53:14,040 --> 01:53:18,239
Nelson hi I'm Pam Nelson I live at 29252

2552
01:53:18,239 --> 01:53:22,040
hoen Road the property just south of the

2553
01:53:22,040 --> 01:53:24,560
of the proposed property only on the

2554
01:53:24,560 --> 01:53:27,119
other side of hoen road Hansen Creek

2555
01:53:27,119 --> 01:53:29,079
runs through our property my son Matt

2556
01:53:29,079 --> 01:53:30,679
was just here speaking so I don't want

2557
01:53:30,679 --> 01:53:33,239
to repeat the five generations and all

2558
01:53:33,239 --> 01:53:37,360
the Farmland but the wildlife the creek

2559
01:53:37,360 --> 01:53:41,000
the salmon the birds the deer the

2560
01:53:41,000 --> 01:53:44,520
coyotes the beaver it's amazing what

2561
01:53:44,520 --> 01:53:46,280
comes through there and how beautiful it

2562
01:53:46,280 --> 01:53:48,440
is and we live there we could live

2563
01:53:48,440 --> 01:53:50,280
anywhere we live there because it's

2564
01:53:50,280 --> 01:53:55,679
beautiful it's quiet it's private and no

2565
01:53:55,679 --> 01:53:58,679
one wants that to be interrupted or

2566
01:53:58,679 --> 01:54:02,239
taken away from us um I also our family

2567
01:54:02,239 --> 01:54:05,599
also owns Foothills Toyota and Honda

2568
01:54:05,599 --> 01:54:08,239
Burlington so I'm well aware of the

2569
01:54:08,239 --> 01:54:10,920
lithium industry in the car business as

2570
01:54:10,920 --> 01:54:12,440
well it's very

2571
01:54:12,440 --> 01:54:14,800
controversial Automotive news comes out

2572
01:54:14,800 --> 01:54:16,800
once a week just this week a dealership

2573
01:54:16,800 --> 01:54:19,360
burned down in San Diego because of a

2574
01:54:19,360 --> 01:54:21,400
lithium battery fire they couldn't put

2575
01:54:21,400 --> 01:54:24,920
out um I think lithium

2576
01:54:24,920 --> 01:54:27,159
batteries at least within the Auto

2577
01:54:27,159 --> 01:54:29,119
industry are going to disappear within

2578
01:54:29,119 --> 01:54:32,079
the next 15 20

2579
01:54:32,079 --> 01:54:35,679
years it's a very competitive market and

2580
01:54:35,679 --> 01:54:37,320
these companies that come in and with

2581
01:54:37,320 --> 01:54:40,159
all due respect you all have a job to do

2582
01:54:40,159 --> 01:54:44,079
but it's all for profit and what do you

2583
01:54:44,079 --> 01:54:45,920
where do you think they're going to get

2584
01:54:45,920 --> 01:54:48,880
the return selling that energy selling

2585
01:54:48,880 --> 01:54:51,880
that and who's going to buy it us does

2586
01:54:51,880 --> 01:54:56,079
that mean our our our energy bills go up

2587
01:54:56,079 --> 01:54:58,079
talk about insurance talk to your

2588
01:54:58,079 --> 01:55:00,400
insurance agent if there's a fire or

2589
01:55:00,400 --> 01:55:02,040
they going to pay your claim if you have

2590
01:55:02,040 --> 01:55:04,679
damage maybe but in the future will they

2591
01:55:04,679 --> 01:55:06,800
cancel you or raise your rates so

2592
01:55:06,800 --> 01:55:10,119
insurance is a huge issue safety is

2593
01:55:10,119 --> 01:55:13,599
bigger than I think they even know and I

2594
01:55:13,599 --> 01:55:15,400
really appreciate the council for all

2595
01:55:15,400 --> 01:55:18,639
your questions they were wonderful um

2596
01:55:18,639 --> 01:55:21,040
we're all with you and I think we should

2597
01:55:21,040 --> 01:55:22,880
continue to be very vocal

2598
01:55:22,880 --> 01:55:28,589
all right thank

2599
01:55:28,599 --> 01:55:38,709
you Cindy

2600
01:55:38,719 --> 01:55:41,040
Chandler hi I'm Cindy Chandler my

2601
01:55:41,040 --> 01:55:44,239
husband is Al Chandler we own a business

2602
01:55:44,239 --> 01:55:47,599
in Cedro woly we also own a farm and

2603
01:55:47,599 --> 01:55:49,639
another piece of property for with my

2604
01:55:49,639 --> 01:55:53,400
son and his fiance and and that property

2605
01:55:53,400 --> 01:55:56,360
we just purchased last fall that was

2606
01:55:56,360 --> 01:55:58,360
that property is probably within 400

2607
01:55:58,360 --> 01:56:01,880
yards of this propos facility there are

2608
01:56:01,880 --> 01:56:03,239
young couple that are getting married

2609
01:56:03,239 --> 01:56:05,440
later this month planned on starting a

2610
01:56:05,440 --> 01:56:07,719
family building a house and having the

2611
01:56:07,719 --> 01:56:11,040
whole Spiel of being living and growing

2612
01:56:11,040 --> 01:56:12,239
in cedra

2613
01:56:12,239 --> 01:56:16,320
woy now we're looking at the possibility

2614
01:56:16,320 --> 01:56:20,239
of if this plant goes through anything

2615
01:56:20,239 --> 01:56:22,360
toxic or anything that happens they

2616
01:56:22,360 --> 01:56:24,760
wouldn't want to live there and I used

2617
01:56:24,760 --> 01:56:26,840
to have a a game with my kids called

2618
01:56:26,840 --> 01:56:30,040
what if they would want to do something

2619
01:56:30,040 --> 01:56:31,920
and I'd say okay but what if this

2620
01:56:31,920 --> 01:56:34,480
happens is it worth it they always

2621
01:56:34,480 --> 01:56:38,000
wanted to hold the Roman candles at

2622
01:56:38,000 --> 01:56:42,560
Fourth of July and I said okay what if

2623
01:56:42,560 --> 01:56:45,079
you Austin Who Wants To Be A baseball

2624
01:56:45,079 --> 01:56:48,599
player blows off a finger or you Daniel

2625
01:56:48,599 --> 01:56:51,079
that want as a musician blows off a

2626
01:56:51,079 --> 01:56:55,679
finger well was it worth it what if and

2627
01:56:55,679 --> 01:56:58,599
that's the what if here you say that the

2628
01:56:58,599 --> 01:57:00,199
that it's not going to happen it

2629
01:57:00,199 --> 01:57:03,040
shouldn't happen but what if it does is

2630
01:57:03,040 --> 01:57:06,360
it worth it to these families to these

2631
01:57:06,360 --> 01:57:08,599
farmlands to the

2632
01:57:08,599 --> 01:57:10,400
people what

2633
01:57:10,400 --> 01:57:16,270
if thank

2634
01:57:16,280 --> 01:57:23,470
you ivy moer

2635
01:57:23,480 --> 01:57:25,639
good evening thank you um my name is Ivy

2636
01:57:25,639 --> 01:57:27,920
moer I do not live here as a full-time

2637
01:57:27,920 --> 01:57:30,320
resident I am um Alan Cindy's

2638
01:57:30,320 --> 01:57:32,480
grandaughter uh I do however my little

2639
01:57:32,480 --> 01:57:34,280
brother and I do own a piece of land

2640
01:57:34,280 --> 01:57:36,760
that is within three miles of where the

2641
01:57:36,760 --> 01:57:39,440
battery station will be placed

2642
01:57:39,440 --> 01:57:44,440
potentially um and I mean not

2643
01:57:44,440 --> 01:57:46,800
withstanding obviously all of the

2644
01:57:46,800 --> 01:57:49,639
environmental impacts um just the

2645
01:57:49,639 --> 01:57:51,400
economic impact that it's going to have

2646
01:57:51,400 --> 01:57:53,280
on People Like Us who have these

2647
01:57:53,280 --> 01:57:55,880
Investments for us that we aren't going

2648
01:57:55,880 --> 01:57:59,639
to get Social Security when we're older

2649
01:57:59,639 --> 01:58:01,040
we're they've told us that we're not

2650
01:58:01,040 --> 01:58:03,719
going to get benefits we need things

2651
01:58:03,719 --> 01:58:06,159
right we can't we can't have things that

2652
01:58:06,159 --> 01:58:08,960
are given to us thrown away that we need

2653
01:58:08,960 --> 01:58:10,679
for our future because there's

2654
01:58:10,679 --> 01:58:13,199
environmentally economically for me and

2655
01:58:13,199 --> 01:58:15,480
my little brother there's going to be

2656
01:58:15,480 --> 01:58:18,360
nothing and anyone we're very privileged

2657
01:58:18,360 --> 01:58:20,079
anyone in this community who has

2658
01:58:20,079 --> 01:58:21,599
something like that who doesn't have

2659
01:58:21,599 --> 01:58:24,040
also any other external way of

2660
01:58:24,040 --> 01:58:26,040
supporting themselves in the

2661
01:58:26,040 --> 01:58:28,639
future they're what are they going to do

2662
01:58:28,639 --> 01:58:30,679
you know what are what are people of my

2663
01:58:30,679 --> 01:58:31,960
generation the younger generation is

2664
01:58:31,960 --> 01:58:33,400
going to

2665
01:58:33,400 --> 01:58:38,790
do thank you thank you

2666
01:58:38,800 --> 01:58:41,599
I Peggy

2667
01:58:41,599 --> 01:58:47,950
Syrian Peggy Syrian sign theer

2668
01:58:47,960 --> 01:58:58,270
okay Isabelle Warner sign you okay

2669
01:58:58,280 --> 01:59:04,229
uh zie is that

2670
01:59:04,239 --> 01:59:06,560
right all

2671
01:59:06,560 --> 01:59:08,639
right we're moving right through this

2672
01:59:08,639 --> 01:59:17,350
list Scott

2673
01:59:17,360 --> 01:59:19,560
Schuler good evening thank you for

2674
01:59:19,560 --> 01:59:21,400
allowing me to speak uh my name is Scott

2675
01:59:21,400 --> 01:59:24,000
Skyler I'm the policy rep for the upper

2676
01:59:24,000 --> 01:59:26,480
gadet Indian tribe it's a pleasure to be

2677
01:59:26,480 --> 01:59:32,910
here

2678
01:59:32,920 --> 01:59:35,760
um I I wrote many of the uh concerns

2679
01:59:35,760 --> 01:59:37,599
that the tribe has with this project

2680
01:59:37,599 --> 01:59:40,239
down but uh everybody articulated them

2681
01:59:40,239 --> 01:59:42,320
so well basically I have to just

2682
01:59:42,320 --> 01:59:43,760
basically say that we're in concurrence

2683
01:59:43,760 --> 01:59:45,960
with most of what was said here tonight

2684
01:59:45,960 --> 01:59:47,679
um but I will share a little bit of our

2685
01:59:47,679 --> 01:59:49,679
history here we've been working on the

2686
01:59:49,679 --> 01:59:52,679
scad river Watershed uh recovery for the

2687
01:59:52,679 --> 01:59:55,360
last 50 years uh We've invested millions

2688
01:59:55,360 --> 01:59:57,840
of dollars on salmon recovery and and

2689
01:59:57,840 --> 01:59:59,440
projects that we partnered with the

2690
01:59:59,440 --> 02:00:01,920
County local communities various groups

2691
02:00:01,920 --> 02:00:04,320
and we've done a phenomenal job working

2692
02:00:04,320 --> 02:00:06,239
with folks on Hansen Creek for the last

2693
02:00:06,239 --> 02:00:08,679
40 years and the the system is

2694
02:00:08,679 --> 02:00:11,000
recovering uh the salmon are coming back

2695
02:00:11,000 --> 02:00:12,920
like many folks have said here it's

2696
02:00:12,920 --> 02:00:15,679
utilized by many species of Wildlife and

2697
02:00:15,679 --> 02:00:18,320
uh this is about risk assessment and

2698
02:00:18,320 --> 02:00:20,159
risk assessment must be done by

2699
02:00:20,159 --> 02:00:22,679
individuals here and the tribe looks at

2700
02:00:22,679 --> 02:00:25,280
this project as there's no guarantees

2701
02:00:25,280 --> 02:00:26,760
that there will be no environmental

2702
02:00:26,760 --> 02:00:29,480
degreg down the road or no accident or

2703
02:00:29,480 --> 02:00:31,760
anything that will adversely impact the

2704
02:00:31,760 --> 02:00:33,920
progress we've made and so from our

2705
02:00:33,920 --> 02:00:36,400
lands we look at it is there a benefit

2706
02:00:36,400 --> 02:00:38,880
for the community very dubious at best

2707
02:00:38,880 --> 02:00:40,639
after hearing what was got you what was

2708
02:00:40,639 --> 02:00:43,360
said tonight is it beneficial to Salmon

2709
02:00:43,360 --> 02:00:45,480
absolutely not is it beneficial to

2710
02:00:45,480 --> 02:00:48,239
Wildlife absolutely not is it beneficial

2711
02:00:48,239 --> 02:00:50,840
to our culture absolutely not so the

2712
02:00:50,840 --> 02:00:52,440
list of positive things that could

2713
02:00:52,440 --> 02:00:53,960
potentially be gained by moving forward

2714
02:00:53,960 --> 02:00:55,719
with this project are virtually

2715
02:00:55,719 --> 02:00:58,040
non-existent at this point and so the

2716
02:00:58,040 --> 02:01:00,079
council will be working to develop a

2717
02:01:00,079 --> 02:01:02,880
letter of opposition and to to send to

2718
02:01:02,880 --> 02:01:04,679
the state of Washington and all the

2719
02:01:04,679 --> 02:01:06,760
permitting agencies you know even though

2720
02:01:06,760 --> 02:01:09,400
the per the project may have permit

2721
02:01:09,400 --> 02:01:11,960
regulation compliance that does not

2722
02:01:11,960 --> 02:01:14,000
avert the risk to the community and to

2723
02:01:14,000 --> 02:01:16,000
the natural resources that are so

2724
02:01:16,000 --> 02:01:17,960
important to everyone here so again

2725
02:01:17,960 --> 02:01:33,470
thank you for your time thank you Scott

2726
02:01:33,480 --> 02:01:37,320
minaa Dennis Allison

2727
02:01:37,320 --> 02:01:55,669
okay Stephanie Estrada

2728
02:01:55,679 --> 02:01:57,960
thank you for hearing what I have to say

2729
02:01:57,960 --> 02:02:02,000
tonight I am Stephanie arrana um we live

2730
02:02:02,000 --> 02:02:07,639
within probably 400 feet of the

2731
02:02:07,639 --> 02:02:11,079
substation now you were talking about

2732
02:02:11,079 --> 02:02:14,360
okay if there is an accident the

2733
02:02:14,360 --> 02:02:18,239
toxicity that comes from that we have to

2734
02:02:18,239 --> 02:02:21,400
evacuate a letter that we received

2735
02:02:21,400 --> 02:02:23,960
within if you live within a mile you

2736
02:02:23,960 --> 02:02:27,320
have three minutes to get out you can't

2737
02:02:27,320 --> 02:02:30,480
get everything together in three minutes

2738
02:02:30,480 --> 02:02:33,840
and we want to sell our home nobody's

2739
02:02:33,840 --> 02:02:35,719
going to want to buy unless you want to

2740
02:02:35,719 --> 02:02:37,599
buy and are you going to pay us what

2741
02:02:37,599 --> 02:02:40,800
it's worth we I'm sorry I'm trying to be

2742
02:02:40,800 --> 02:02:43,280
respectful but we don't want you

2743
02:02:43,280 --> 02:02:53,589
here thank you all right thank you

2744
02:02:53,599 --> 02:02:57,629
commissioner

2745
02:02:57,639 --> 02:03:00,040
weon yeah thank you very much Ron we

2746
02:03:00,040 --> 02:03:01,079
sketch County Commissioner I really

2747
02:03:01,079 --> 02:03:02,440
appreciate all the great questions the

2748
02:03:02,440 --> 02:03:03,880
council had tonight I think you did a

2749
02:03:03,880 --> 02:03:05,800
very good job explaining the concerns

2750
02:03:05,800 --> 02:03:07,079
that I've heard of the community and

2751
02:03:07,079 --> 02:03:09,280
you've definitely voiced it very well I

2752
02:03:09,280 --> 02:03:11,119
think want to comment a little bit on

2753
02:03:11,119 --> 02:03:14,599
the aoi that the county staff had

2754
02:03:14,599 --> 02:03:16,520
presented this had never been come to

2755
02:03:16,520 --> 02:03:17,760
the County Commissioners to make any

2756
02:03:17,760 --> 02:03:20,480
decision on um what the county staff did

2757
02:03:20,480 --> 02:03:22,079
they had a preapp meeting and these are

2758
02:03:22,079 --> 02:03:24,320
the things the steps you have to do to

2759
02:03:24,320 --> 02:03:26,400
get this kind of project moving forward

2760
02:03:26,400 --> 02:03:29,480
and the staff called it a major utility

2761
02:03:29,480 --> 02:03:32,880
which have a hearing examiner um special

2762
02:03:32,880 --> 02:03:35,040
use permit process and so that' have

2763
02:03:35,040 --> 02:03:36,400
public comment and all these issues

2764
02:03:36,400 --> 02:03:38,119
going forward so it's not that the

2765
02:03:38,119 --> 02:03:40,599
County Commissioners voted to say yes

2766
02:03:40,599 --> 02:03:42,239
you can move forward these are just the

2767
02:03:42,239 --> 02:03:44,320
steps you would have to take before a

2768
02:03:44,320 --> 02:03:46,040
permit would be issued at the county

2769
02:03:46,040 --> 02:03:48,199
level um but because they're going to

2770
02:03:48,199 --> 02:03:50,800
the fsac system my understanding the

2771
02:03:50,800 --> 02:03:52,480
county has absolutely no say on what's

2772
02:03:52,480 --> 02:03:53,760
going on because they're doing the

2773
02:03:53,760 --> 02:03:55,679
regulations so forth and I think some of

2774
02:03:55,679 --> 02:03:57,199
the good questions were brought up about

2775
02:03:57,199 --> 02:03:59,880
the funding you spend $250

2776
02:03:59,880 --> 02:04:02,920
million where's the payback on it

2777
02:04:02,920 --> 02:04:05,719
obviously you buy low and you sell back

2778
02:04:05,719 --> 02:04:08,079
high that's how the process works so

2779
02:04:08,079 --> 02:04:09,719
somebody's going to make that extra

2780
02:04:09,719 --> 02:04:12,639
money and I don't see any way except the

2781
02:04:12,639 --> 02:04:13,880
rate payers are going to have to make

2782
02:04:13,880 --> 02:04:15,639
that up but the other thing people need

2783
02:04:15,639 --> 02:04:18,559
to realize the petown energy um they

2784
02:04:18,559 --> 02:04:19,760
we've had some projects that they're

2785
02:04:19,760 --> 02:04:21,880
trying to do up by the port of Gadget

2786
02:04:21,880 --> 02:04:23,880
and the developers have been told that

2787
02:04:23,880 --> 02:04:26,559
pound Indy is not able to guarantee the

2788
02:04:26,559 --> 02:04:28,840
amount of power that those companies

2789
02:04:28,840 --> 02:04:31,760
want to have in the future so there is

2790
02:04:31,760 --> 02:04:33,679
definitely an issue with the Grid in our

2791
02:04:33,679 --> 02:04:36,440
area here because of the the draw that

2792
02:04:36,440 --> 02:04:38,360
is coming in and the grid is very

2793
02:04:38,360 --> 02:04:40,440
complicated hook together but there's

2794
02:04:40,440 --> 02:04:42,000
just so many substations where they can

2795
02:04:42,000 --> 02:04:44,040
hook in um the County Commissioners came

2796
02:04:44,040 --> 02:04:46,280
out with a letter talking about how we

2797
02:04:46,280 --> 02:04:47,920
don't believe this is the proper site

2798
02:04:47,920 --> 02:04:50,440
for this location and we definitely uh

2799
02:04:50,440 --> 02:04:51,719
thank you very much for having the

2800
02:04:51,719 --> 02:04:53,599
meeting here but we definitely County

2801
02:04:53,599 --> 02:04:55,119
Commissioners do not believe this is a

2802
02:04:55,119 --> 02:04:57,159
location we should do this so thank you

2803
02:04:57,159 --> 02:05:02,510
thank you

2804
02:05:02,520 --> 02:05:04,559
commissioner and that statement is on

2805
02:05:04,559 --> 02:05:07,880
your website we we have all read it it's

2806
02:05:07,880 --> 02:05:10,239
and it's also included in our packet so

2807
02:05:10,239 --> 02:05:12,559
thank you very much powerful words we

2808
02:05:12,559 --> 02:05:31,189
appreciate it um Kimberly osterhout

2809
02:05:31,199 --> 02:05:33,960
um my first thought was if there happen

2810
02:05:33,960 --> 02:05:36,800
to be a leakage we have within a small

2811
02:05:36,800 --> 02:05:39,079
radius we've got Lyman all the way to

2812
02:05:39,079 --> 02:05:41,880
our high school we have six schools of

2813
02:05:41,880 --> 02:05:44,440
kids and with all of those kids if there

2814
02:05:44,440 --> 02:05:46,199
is a leakage and they were in the

2815
02:05:46,199 --> 02:05:49,639
schools the school the um bus drivers

2816
02:05:49,639 --> 02:05:51,480
would have to get to the bus yard would

2817
02:05:51,480 --> 02:05:53,320
have have to load all their stuff that

2818
02:05:53,320 --> 02:05:56,280
they have to do drive to the school pick

2819
02:05:56,280 --> 02:05:58,880
up the kids take them home then they

2820
02:05:58,880 --> 02:06:00,679
have to go back for their second group

2821
02:06:00,679 --> 02:06:03,719
of kids and do the same thing and my

2822
02:06:03,719 --> 02:06:06,159
thought was how long is it going to take

2823
02:06:06,159 --> 02:06:09,320
for you to take care of the toxins or if

2824
02:06:09,320 --> 02:06:12,760
there's a fire for our poor kids so I

2825
02:06:12,760 --> 02:06:20,390
was just thinking about the kids thank

2826
02:06:20,400 --> 02:06:26,750
you uh Dwayne

2827
02:06:26,760 --> 02:06:31,280
Gish all right fantastic thank you um

2828
02:06:31,280 --> 02:06:35,109
Jean

2829
02:06:35,119 --> 02:06:37,880
flurry

2830
02:06:37,880 --> 02:06:40,710
no okay

2831
02:06:40,710 --> 02:06:46,149
[Applause]

2832
02:06:46,159 --> 02:06:48,960
okay I just wondered I just wondered one

2833
02:06:48,960 --> 02:06:52,159
question about the safety of it

2834
02:06:52,159 --> 02:06:56,119
if somebody drove by that thing and a

2835
02:06:56,119 --> 02:06:59,719
high powerered rifle and shot

2836
02:06:59,719 --> 02:07:03,480
it what what happens then I mean we have

2837
02:07:03,480 --> 02:07:05,119
stuff like they they've attacked some of

2838
02:07:05,119 --> 02:07:07,639
the power stations it's happened if

2839
02:07:07,639 --> 02:07:08,960
somebody drove by one of those places

2840
02:07:08,960 --> 02:07:13,000
and shot it does it does it catch fire

2841
02:07:13,000 --> 02:07:15,760
that could take out the the HVAC system

2842
02:07:15,760 --> 02:07:18,119
they could take out the response system

2843
02:07:18,119 --> 02:07:19,960
Anything could happen so you know

2844
02:07:19,960 --> 02:07:21,599
somebody some kids could get drunk and

2845
02:07:21,599 --> 02:07:22,800
go by there and think it's fun to shoot

2846
02:07:22,800 --> 02:07:24,639
the thing I mean what what could

2847
02:07:24,639 --> 02:07:28,239
possibly happen there's and and I read

2848
02:07:28,239 --> 02:07:31,159
one deal where they were talking about

2849
02:07:31,159 --> 02:07:32,719
this company I believe it was their it

2850
02:07:32,719 --> 02:07:34,520
was their company about they asked about

2851
02:07:34,520 --> 02:07:37,800
the security about it and the security

2852
02:07:37,800 --> 02:07:38,679
about it they said that they were going

2853
02:07:38,679 --> 02:07:40,360
to put a six- foot Cyclone Fence and

2854
02:07:40,360 --> 02:07:43,199
razor wire I mean that doesn't stop

2855
02:07:43,199 --> 02:07:46,079
anybody from going in there and causing

2856
02:07:46,079 --> 02:07:47,480
problems I just don't understand why

2857
02:07:47,480 --> 02:07:49,119
there isn't more security involved

2858
02:07:49,119 --> 02:07:50,800
besides the other problems that I see

2859
02:07:50,800 --> 02:07:52,679
anyways that's all I wanted to ask these

2860
02:07:52,679 --> 02:07:59,589
people about that all right thank

2861
02:07:59,599 --> 02:08:03,719
you um Aaron spola am I saying that name

2862
02:08:03,719 --> 02:08:07,189
correctly all

2863
02:08:07,199 --> 02:08:10,040
right and then right below it is a

2864
02:08:10,040 --> 02:08:13,079
kin and I can't make out the last name

2865
02:08:13,079 --> 02:08:15,079
the spelling I

2866
02:08:15,079 --> 02:08:17,760
apologize

2867
02:08:17,760 --> 02:08:22,830
tools is there a kin in the house

2868
02:08:22,840 --> 02:08:31,030
okay moving on uh to mateline

2869
02:08:31,040 --> 02:08:34,320
Chandler I'm sorry Marilyn Chandler my

2870
02:08:34,320 --> 02:08:38,030
apologies

2871
02:08:38,040 --> 02:08:42,360
Marilyn um this is ironic um I'm sitting

2872
02:08:42,360 --> 02:08:44,559
next to the chanders I've never met them

2873
02:08:44,559 --> 02:08:47,760
we're not related so good way to meet

2874
02:08:47,760 --> 02:08:50,229
your

2875
02:08:50,239 --> 02:08:53,559
neighbors all I'm Marilyn Chandler and I

2876
02:08:53,559 --> 02:08:55,320
have lived within one mile of the

2877
02:08:55,320 --> 02:08:58,040
proposed minkler Road site for 39 years

2878
02:08:58,040 --> 02:09:00,280
with my husband

2879
02:09:00,280 --> 02:09:03,679
Gerald both sides of my family my

2880
02:09:03,679 --> 02:09:05,760
mother's and father's side have

2881
02:09:05,760 --> 02:09:09,520
Centennial Farms in Ceda woy that's over

2882
02:09:09,520 --> 02:09:13,079
a hundred years and I also was born in

2883
02:09:13,079 --> 02:09:17,559
cedy I express my opinion to oppose the

2884
02:09:17,559 --> 02:09:20,119
project due to its close proximity to so

2885
02:09:20,119 --> 02:09:22,920
many citizens I believe this project

2886
02:09:22,920 --> 02:09:25,159
does not belong in a residential

2887
02:09:25,159 --> 02:09:27,800
Community the proposed minkler Road site

2888
02:09:27,800 --> 02:09:30,079
is not a good location for the battery

2889
02:09:30,079 --> 02:09:33,520
energy storage system I feel it lacks

2890
02:09:33,520 --> 02:09:36,760
concern for Public Safety after reading

2891
02:09:36,760 --> 02:09:39,040
up on the possible failures and human

2892
02:09:39,040 --> 02:09:42,199
risk of exposure to toxic chemicals due

2893
02:09:42,199 --> 02:09:44,800
to a fire or thermal runaway they are

2894
02:09:44,800 --> 02:09:46,880
not taking into account the need to

2895
02:09:46,880 --> 02:09:50,360
evacuate so many people we must prevent

2896
02:09:50,360 --> 02:09:52,400
this from occurring near our sensitive

2897
02:09:52,400 --> 02:09:54,880
zones protecting our children and

2898
02:09:54,880 --> 02:09:56,880
schools and

2899
02:09:56,880 --> 02:10:00,400
neighborhoods our natural

2900
02:10:00,400 --> 02:10:03,280
resources the future of Hansen Creek and

2901
02:10:03,280 --> 02:10:05,079
depending on wind direction the

2902
02:10:05,079 --> 02:10:07,320
possibility of contaminating Judy

2903
02:10:07,320 --> 02:10:10,360
Reservoir which serves countless PUD

2904
02:10:10,360 --> 02:10:12,520
customers I ask that you find a

2905
02:10:12,520 --> 02:10:15,040
different location this is not the right

2906
02:10:15,040 --> 02:10:17,599
place in the heart of our community the

2907
02:10:17,599 --> 02:10:19,960
future quality of life for seedly

2908
02:10:19,960 --> 02:10:22,199
residents could be in jeopardy

2909
02:10:22,199 --> 02:10:24,280
a risk no one should be taking a gamble

2910
02:10:24,280 --> 02:10:27,840
on I would hope that our generation

2911
02:10:27,840 --> 02:10:30,079
could stand up and fight for this town

2912
02:10:30,079 --> 02:10:33,079
with a hyphen just as those before us

2913
02:10:33,079 --> 02:10:34,960
became famous for standing up against

2914
02:10:34,960 --> 02:10:37,880
the nuclear power plant we need to fight

2915
02:10:37,880 --> 02:10:40,119
again for Cedar woolly our future

2916
02:10:40,119 --> 02:10:43,079
Generations depend on

2917
02:10:43,079 --> 02:10:46,830
us thank

2918
02:10:46,840 --> 02:10:49,639
you what I have gotten out of this

2919
02:10:49,639 --> 02:10:52,719
meeting is how are they going to monitor

2920
02:10:52,719 --> 02:10:55,559
in a snowstorm in 16 degrees when it's

2921
02:10:55,559 --> 02:10:58,159
snowing sideways in in the middle of the

2922
02:10:58,159 --> 02:11:01,840
night and the wind there was a windstorm

2923
02:11:01,840 --> 02:11:04,920
once my husband is a firefighter that

2924
02:11:04,920 --> 02:11:08,400
the the power poles on minkler road went

2925
02:11:08,400 --> 02:11:10,840
over across the road and they were up

2926
02:11:10,840 --> 02:11:14,719
for 24 hours with no sleep going to call

2927
02:11:14,719 --> 02:11:18,159
after call after call so the

2928
02:11:18,159 --> 02:11:21,320
wind we get a lot of bad wind storms and

2929
02:11:21,320 --> 02:11:23,760
that's one problem so thank you all

2930
02:11:23,760 --> 02:11:28,510
right thank

2931
02:11:28,520 --> 02:11:30,639
you is it

2932
02:11:30,639 --> 02:11:38,530
Riley flury is that correct

2933
02:11:38,540 --> 02:11:40,360
[Music]

2934
02:11:40,360 --> 02:11:44,280
yes can you hear me am I close

2935
02:11:44,280 --> 02:11:46,880
enough first off I want to thank the uh

2936
02:11:46,880 --> 02:11:50,599
Council for their questions uh you asked

2937
02:11:50,599 --> 02:11:53,199
a lot of questions I think everyone here

2938
02:11:53,199 --> 02:11:55,239
uh has been wanting to know so I thank

2939
02:11:55,239 --> 02:11:58,800
you for that um again my name is Riley

2940
02:11:58,800 --> 02:12:01,800
flurry um heard a lot of your concerns

2941
02:12:01,800 --> 02:12:05,880
here voiced tonight and I I'm curious if

2942
02:12:05,880 --> 02:12:10,520
the company um uh will be adhering to

2943
02:12:10,520 --> 02:12:12,679
the will of the people or if they are

2944
02:12:12,679 --> 02:12:14,760
just going to go ahead and do whatever

2945
02:12:14,760 --> 02:12:16,639
they want despite our concerns they've

2946
02:12:16,639 --> 02:12:19,360
already shown us that uh they don't care

2947
02:12:19,360 --> 02:12:22,880
about following scet County land use

2948
02:12:22,880 --> 02:12:25,040
policy they just want to go ahead and do

2949
02:12:25,040 --> 02:12:27,040
it

2950
02:12:27,040 --> 02:12:29,360
um but

2951
02:12:29,360 --> 02:12:31,960
uh aside from that it it seems like

2952
02:12:31,960 --> 02:12:35,000
we're being used as guinea pigs here and

2953
02:12:35,000 --> 02:12:36,880
I don't really like that especially

2954
02:12:36,880 --> 02:12:38,960
since we have all this precious Farmland

2955
02:12:38,960 --> 02:12:41,040
that we need to

2956
02:12:41,040 --> 02:12:44,000
protect and I I see no

2957
02:12:44,000 --> 02:12:46,400
considerations uh from the

2958
02:12:46,400 --> 02:12:50,040
company on uh other risks like

2959
02:12:50,040 --> 02:12:53,079
earthquakes uh as some of you may know

2960
02:12:53,079 --> 02:12:55,440
uh we have two at least two active fault

2961
02:12:55,440 --> 02:12:58,320
lines that run right through scet County

2962
02:12:58,320 --> 02:12:59,880
what uh happens when we have an

2963
02:12:59,880 --> 02:13:01,840
earthquake and these things leak and

2964
02:13:01,840 --> 02:13:04,480
they leak into our water table um I I

2965
02:13:04,480 --> 02:13:06,079
just don't see

2966
02:13:06,079 --> 02:13:09,760
the uh benefit of having four hours of

2967
02:13:09,760 --> 02:13:12,520
extra power and then the offset of you

2968
02:13:12,520 --> 02:13:14,520
know poisoning our water table I just

2969
02:13:14,520 --> 02:13:16,239
that doesn't make any sense to

2970
02:13:16,239 --> 02:13:19,119
me um so despite your claims of

2971
02:13:19,119 --> 02:13:21,679
renewable energy and a cleaner

2972
02:13:21,679 --> 02:13:23,840
environment it appears you're willing to

2973
02:13:23,840 --> 02:13:27,079
risk irreparable damage uh to our local

2974
02:13:27,079 --> 02:13:28,599
environment and

2975
02:13:28,599 --> 02:13:31,880
ecosystems and while uh you guys go

2976
02:13:31,880 --> 02:13:35,119
safely back to wherever it is you live

2977
02:13:35,119 --> 02:13:37,320
uh SC the people of scad County are left

2978
02:13:37,320 --> 02:13:40,880
with what I see as a ticking time bomb

2979
02:13:40,880 --> 02:13:43,760
and uh that is threatening our land our

2980
02:13:43,760 --> 02:13:46,880
water and our people so as a resident of

2981
02:13:46,880 --> 02:13:49,760
scet County I demand that uh this

2982
02:13:49,760 --> 02:13:53,320
company stop this Reckless project in

2983
02:13:53,320 --> 02:13:56,320
our County and if you and Ensley want

2984
02:13:56,320 --> 02:13:57,920
this so badly you can build it in your

2985
02:13:57,920 --> 02:14:00,229
own

2986
02:14:00,239 --> 02:14:04,109
backyards we do

2987
02:14:04,119 --> 02:14:07,880
not we do not want it here and we do not

2988
02:14:07,880 --> 02:14:11,390
consent thank

2989
02:14:11,400 --> 02:14:13,310
you jennif

2990
02:14:13,310 --> 02:14:18,000
[Applause]

2991
02:14:18,000 --> 02:14:24,470
ribel jennif ribel

2992
02:14:24,480 --> 02:14:30,350
okay okay thank

2993
02:14:30,360 --> 02:14:33,000
you okay thanks Jenna Freel scadu

2994
02:14:33,000 --> 02:14:35,840
drainage and irrigation Consortium uh I

2995
02:14:35,840 --> 02:14:37,400
Echo everybody's concerns about

2996
02:14:37,400 --> 02:14:40,760
overriding um County and cedra Wy policy

2997
02:14:40,760 --> 02:14:43,119
land use policies there are um checks

2998
02:14:43,119 --> 02:14:45,440
and balances even for state agencies and

2999
02:14:45,440 --> 02:14:47,880
task force and the growth management act

3000
02:14:47,880 --> 02:14:50,239
that would require the state and um the

3001
02:14:50,239 --> 02:14:53,000
committee to consider fair and equally

3002
02:14:53,000 --> 02:14:54,760
Farmland protection both at the state

3003
02:14:54,760 --> 02:14:56,199
level and the local level and I would

3004
02:14:56,199 --> 02:14:58,400
encourage you guys to pursue State

3005
02:14:58,400 --> 02:15:00,760
authorities to protect Farmland also

3006
02:15:00,760 --> 02:15:03,520
just to sort of come back to our uh the

3007
02:15:03,520 --> 02:15:04,960
flood plane issues the sighting

3008
02:15:04,960 --> 02:15:07,520
selection in the flood plane um is a

3009
02:15:07,520 --> 02:15:09,800
poor poor decision as you guys know

3010
02:15:09,800 --> 02:15:11,920
we've been negotiating safe levels of

3011
02:15:11,920 --> 02:15:13,800
flood storage at Ross for four years

3012
02:15:13,800 --> 02:15:15,599
we've made several presentations to the

3013
02:15:15,599 --> 02:15:18,400
county as part of those negotiations

3014
02:15:18,400 --> 02:15:20,360
state federal state federal and local

3015
02:15:20,360 --> 02:15:22,119
tribal government ments have raised

3016
02:15:22,119 --> 02:15:25,599
significant concerns that the the um

3017
02:15:25,599 --> 02:15:27,400
additional flood storage would be used

3018
02:15:27,400 --> 02:15:30,040
to encourage unwanted development and

3019
02:15:30,040 --> 02:15:32,719
growth in our natural resources lands

3020
02:15:32,719 --> 02:15:35,520
not just the critical areas the salmon

3021
02:15:35,520 --> 02:15:37,760
streams but also the flood plane and the

3022
02:15:37,760 --> 02:15:40,480
Farmland so um this is something we've

3023
02:15:40,480 --> 02:15:42,719
heard loud and clear we've made numerous

3024
02:15:42,719 --> 02:15:44,880
promises publicly that the purpose of

3025
02:15:44,880 --> 02:15:47,520
the flood storage is to protect current

3026
02:15:47,520 --> 02:15:49,520
development that's in the flood plane

3027
02:15:49,520 --> 02:15:52,239
and absolutely not encourage growth

3028
02:15:52,239 --> 02:15:58,990
thanks thank

3029
02:15:59,000 --> 02:16:01,810
you zindra

3030
02:16:01,810 --> 02:16:11,030
[Music]

3031
02:16:11,040 --> 02:16:13,320
Nelson thank you mayor oh thank you

3032
02:16:13,320 --> 02:16:15,239
mayor and Council for listening to us

3033
02:16:15,239 --> 02:16:17,239
tonight um my name is zindra Nelson I'm

3034
02:16:17,239 --> 02:16:19,559
a resident of skic County um I've raised

3035
02:16:19,559 --> 02:16:21,320
um nine kids here part of them are still

3036
02:16:21,320 --> 02:16:26,360
at home um I um I strongly oppose the

3037
02:16:26,360 --> 02:16:28,760
battery plant going in into seizure wooy

3038
02:16:28,760 --> 02:16:31,159
um I run a couple of programs or I help

3039
02:16:31,159 --> 02:16:33,319
run a couple of programs homeschool

3040
02:16:33,319 --> 02:16:35,319
programs that meet in seedar willly and

3041
02:16:35,319 --> 02:16:36,960
I have kids that work here in seedar

3042
02:16:36,960 --> 02:16:38,800
will and I'm concerned about the

3043
02:16:38,800 --> 02:16:41,960
toxicity as well as evacuation um I had

3044
02:16:41,960 --> 02:16:43,399
heard that you know there's like a three

3045
02:16:43,399 --> 02:16:45,280
minute window to get out of the

3046
02:16:45,280 --> 02:16:46,319
immediate

3047
02:16:46,319 --> 02:16:48,160
Zone

3048
02:16:48,160 --> 02:16:50,639
um where our homeschool Co-op meets is

3049
02:16:50,639 --> 02:16:53,639
in insire Church um our home school cop

3050
02:16:53,639 --> 02:16:58,160
is about 100 families we have 325 people

3051
02:16:58,160 --> 02:17:02,080
in attendance there are 225 children on

3052
02:17:02,080 --> 02:17:04,240
any given Friday during the school year

3053
02:17:04,240 --> 02:17:06,519
that meet at this Co-op at inspired

3054
02:17:06,519 --> 02:17:08,080
church and we are just down the road you

3055
02:17:08,080 --> 02:17:09,399
know just down the road from the

3056
02:17:09,399 --> 02:17:13,200
substation so um I'm concerned about

3057
02:17:13,200 --> 02:17:14,920
evacuation and whether or not we'd need

3058
02:17:14,920 --> 02:17:17,559
to shelter in place um you know so I'd

3059
02:17:17,559 --> 02:17:19,559
consider us one of the an extra school

3060
02:17:19,559 --> 02:17:23,639
that is in the if evacuation Zone um

3061
02:17:23,639 --> 02:17:25,559
with that in mind you know we would need

3062
02:17:25,559 --> 02:17:29,319
a sorry I'm nervous we would need

3063
02:17:29,319 --> 02:17:31,160
appropriate emergency training for

3064
02:17:31,160 --> 02:17:33,679
myself my leadership and all of the

3065
02:17:33,679 --> 02:17:36,319
families that attend the assessment we

3066
02:17:36,319 --> 02:17:37,840
would also need the assessment for

3067
02:17:37,840 --> 02:17:39,800
appropriate emergency response equipment

3068
02:17:39,800 --> 02:17:42,599
and supplies if the shelter in place is

3069
02:17:42,599 --> 02:17:45,319
required um we do not have access to

3070
02:17:45,319 --> 02:17:47,840
public funds we are homeschoolers so we

3071
02:17:47,840 --> 02:17:50,639
don't have any of the um notifications

3072
02:17:50,639 --> 02:17:53,840
or anything that comes normally that the

3073
02:17:53,840 --> 02:17:55,080
school districts

3074
02:17:55,080 --> 02:17:59,000
receive so um that would um cause extra

3075
02:17:59,000 --> 02:18:01,559
Financial expenses on we don't really

3076
02:18:01,559 --> 02:18:03,359
have the supplies the means we don't

3077
02:18:03,359 --> 02:18:07,000
have the preparedness for that

3078
02:18:07,000 --> 02:18:10,120
um so yeah we um If This Were to go into

3079
02:18:10,120 --> 02:18:12,160
effect I would like our homeschool Co-op

3080
02:18:12,160 --> 02:18:14,599
to be included in the emergency

3081
02:18:14,599 --> 02:18:18,000
prepared preparedness plans and I expect

3082
02:18:18,000 --> 02:18:19,240
that any Communications or

3083
02:18:19,240 --> 02:18:21,319
accommodations that are made for Public

3084
02:18:21,319 --> 02:18:23,760
Schools also be made for our home school

3085
02:18:23,760 --> 02:18:26,120
Co-op which is called First Class Gadget

3086
02:18:26,120 --> 02:18:28,000
County

3087
02:18:28,000 --> 02:18:30,679
um I am concerned about evacuation I'm

3088
02:18:30,679 --> 02:18:33,920
also concerned about toxicity um when

3089
02:18:33,920 --> 02:18:36,240
you look at what the CDC says is you

3090
02:18:36,240 --> 02:18:38,880
know with the hydrogen

3091
02:18:38,880 --> 02:18:41,679
fluoride you know that if it gets moist

3092
02:18:41,679 --> 02:18:44,359
wet if it rains the the acid rain aspect

3093
02:18:44,359 --> 02:18:46,359
of things if it's you know they say that

3094
02:18:46,359 --> 02:18:48,319
it's this type of battery or it won't be

3095
02:18:48,319 --> 02:18:49,679
this they don't they haven't told us

3096
02:18:49,679 --> 02:18:51,040
which kind of battery it is so don't

3097
02:18:51,040 --> 02:18:53,200
know which version of toxicity it will

3098
02:18:53,200 --> 02:18:56,920
be um but if you go to the cdc's website

3099
02:18:56,920 --> 02:19:00,240
they talk about um if it gets in your

3100
02:19:00,240 --> 02:19:02,599
eyes you'll go blind if you if it gets

3101
02:19:02,599 --> 02:19:05,639
on your skin major burning and blisters

3102
02:19:05,639 --> 02:19:08,200
um if it's internalized you can

3103
02:19:08,200 --> 02:19:11,280
drown from your lungs being filled up

3104
02:19:11,280 --> 02:19:14,040
with water so go to the cdc's website

3105
02:19:14,040 --> 02:19:16,599
and look at the um the chemical stuff

3106
02:19:16,599 --> 02:19:17,960
you'll find some really interesting

3107
02:19:17,960 --> 02:19:20,359
information there anyway um I yield my

3108
02:19:20,359 --> 02:19:27,070
whole three seconds of time thank

3109
02:19:27,080 --> 02:19:34,990
you Edie

3110
02:19:35,000 --> 02:19:44,910
bolra no Eddie Val

3111
02:19:44,920 --> 02:19:49,120
Mullen Val Mullen from Cedar Wy I have a

3112
02:19:49,120 --> 02:19:51,840
question for the council and for

3113
02:19:51,840 --> 02:19:54,880
tanasa uh first of all if the if there's

3114
02:19:54,880 --> 02:19:57,640
a potential fire would be restricted to

3115
02:19:57,640 --> 02:20:00,880
one building why do you need to hose

3116
02:20:00,880 --> 02:20:02,840
down adjacent buildings to keep them

3117
02:20:02,840 --> 02:20:04,280
from getting

3118
02:20:04,280 --> 02:20:06,800
hot and some of the research that I've

3119
02:20:06,800 --> 02:20:10,640
done uh similar proposals in King County

3120
02:20:10,640 --> 02:20:13,880
have uh stirred local opposition none of

3121
02:20:13,880 --> 02:20:15,760
these projects have actually occurred

3122
02:20:15,760 --> 02:20:18,800
within the ever Seattle or Tacoma area

3123
02:20:18,800 --> 02:20:21,000
this project is the first time theany

3124
02:20:21,000 --> 02:20:24,600
has applied to a state agency FC which

3125
02:20:24,600 --> 02:20:28,960
can preempt local land use laws lithium

3126
02:20:28,960 --> 02:20:31,520
batteries make may may be considered

3127
02:20:31,520 --> 02:20:34,479
green energy but this is just a myth the

3128
02:20:34,479 --> 02:20:36,800
mining the processing and disposing of

3129
02:20:36,800 --> 02:20:39,520
lithium and Cobalt carry heavy

3130
02:20:39,520 --> 02:20:42,399
environmental and human costs the

3131
02:20:42,399 --> 02:20:44,720
extraction of lithium takes about 21

3132
02:20:44,720 --> 02:20:47,560
million liters of water per day

3133
02:20:47,560 --> 02:20:49,960
diverting it away from local Agriculture

3134
02:20:49,960 --> 02:20:51,240
and community

3135
02:20:51,240 --> 02:20:54,359
ities the mining process itself leads to

3136
02:20:54,359 --> 02:20:56,399
soil contamination water and air

3137
02:20:56,399 --> 02:20:58,680
pollution and destruction of

3138
02:20:58,680 --> 02:21:01,240
ecosystems production of the batteries

3139
02:21:01,240 --> 02:21:04,160
themselves requires heav heavy energy

3140
02:21:04,160 --> 02:21:06,160
input most of that energy is being

3141
02:21:06,160 --> 02:21:08,160
supplied by fossil

3142
02:21:08,160 --> 02:21:10,720
fuels producing a lithium battery

3143
02:21:10,720 --> 02:21:15,840
weighing 1100 lb for a car emits 70%

3144
02:21:15,840 --> 02:21:18,840
more CO2 than producing a conventional

3145
02:21:18,840 --> 02:21:22,560
car most Co VA mining occurs in the

3146
02:21:22,560 --> 02:21:25,399
Congo where child labor and unsafe

3147
02:21:25,399 --> 02:21:29,280
working practices are Rife it costs more

3148
02:21:29,280 --> 02:21:32,040
to recycle the lithium battery than to

3149
02:21:32,040 --> 02:21:35,880
mine more lithium so 95% of lithium

3150
02:21:35,880 --> 02:21:39,040
batteries go to waste the list of

3151
02:21:39,040 --> 02:21:42,080
stakeholders in the application includes

3152
02:21:42,080 --> 02:21:44,920
the tribes the County Commissioners the

3153
02:21:44,920 --> 02:21:48,760
port of scad County the landowner Puget

3154
02:21:48,760 --> 02:21:52,479
Sound Energy and the state Department of

3155
02:21:52,479 --> 02:21:55,200
archaeology curiously the stakeholders

3156
02:21:55,200 --> 02:21:58,080
do not include the community that's

3157
02:21:58,080 --> 02:22:01,000
affected by the project at the recent

3158
02:22:01,000 --> 02:22:03,000
public hearing tanasa stated their

3159
02:22:03,000 --> 02:22:06,319
intent to tweak the Project based on

3160
02:22:06,319 --> 02:22:08,960
public input if they really wanted

3161
02:22:08,960 --> 02:22:11,359
public input why not include the public

3162
02:22:11,359 --> 02:22:13,560
as stakeholders in their original

3163
02:22:13,560 --> 02:22:18,670
application thank you thank

3164
02:22:18,680 --> 02:22:20,580
you Brad Anderson

3165
02:22:20,580 --> 02:22:38,630
[Applause]

3166
02:22:38,640 --> 02:22:40,640
well listen to this dude over here talk

3167
02:22:40,640 --> 02:22:41,960
about

3168
02:22:41,960 --> 02:22:44,640
safety with this particular thing is

3169
02:22:44,640 --> 02:22:47,439
like listening to a Boeing exec tell me

3170
02:22:47,439 --> 02:22:50,880
about where all the emergency doors are

3171
02:22:50,880 --> 02:22:52,359
when the plane

3172
02:22:52,359 --> 02:22:55,600
crashes but anyway what I'd like to

3173
02:22:55,600 --> 02:22:58,920
speak I have a family member who is on

3174
02:22:58,920 --> 02:23:01,720
one of the head boards for the Hanford

3175
02:23:01,720 --> 02:23:02,880
nuclear

3176
02:23:02,880 --> 02:23:05,600
plant and 30 years

3177
02:23:05,600 --> 02:23:09,240
ago when I visit him over in

3178
02:23:09,240 --> 02:23:13,399
Kenwick he was quite excited he had had

3179
02:23:13,399 --> 02:23:16,080
20 years worth of work on the

3180
02:23:16,080 --> 02:23:20,040
books 20 years later I go over there and

3181
02:23:20,040 --> 02:23:23,040
they've got 30 years work on the books

3182
02:23:23,040 --> 02:23:25,600
all in the development of the

3183
02:23:25,600 --> 02:23:28,439
containment of the

3184
02:23:28,439 --> 02:23:30,800
uh uh

3185
02:23:30,800 --> 02:23:35,319
waste so I'm sure what these guys must

3186
02:23:35,319 --> 02:23:39,240
realize that technology

3187
02:23:39,240 --> 02:23:43,439
advances and if the technology advances

3188
02:23:43,439 --> 02:23:45,800
while you're building one of your

3189
02:23:45,800 --> 02:23:49,640
plants do you stop and like they did

3190
02:23:49,640 --> 02:23:51,760
over a hand which they're still every

3191
02:23:51,760 --> 02:23:54,279
time they build something they have to

3192
02:23:54,279 --> 02:23:57,160
tear it down and rebuild something else

3193
02:23:57,160 --> 02:23:59,279
because technology has caught up with

3194
02:23:59,279 --> 02:24:03,319
them do you guys plan to do the same

3195
02:24:03,319 --> 02:24:05,760
type of procedure if you're granted the

3196
02:24:05,760 --> 02:24:09,160
permits to operate in this County as a

3197
02:24:09,160 --> 02:24:11,479
technology for your containment of your

3198
02:24:11,479 --> 02:24:12,840
batteries

3199
02:24:12,840 --> 02:24:15,960
progresses what do you do do you change

3200
02:24:15,960 --> 02:24:19,240
it to come up to date or you just put it

3201
02:24:19,240 --> 02:24:21,200
in there and say well we talk to you in

3202
02:24:21,200 --> 02:24:22,399
20

3203
02:24:22,399 --> 02:24:25,319
years that's

3204
02:24:25,319 --> 02:24:28,640
uh anyway yeah you can book it back to

3205
02:24:28,640 --> 02:24:30,880
Oklahoma or

3206
02:24:30,880 --> 02:24:33,720
whatever all

3207
02:24:33,720 --> 02:24:36,520
right Brianna

3208
02:24:36,520 --> 02:24:48,429
Zamora Brianna Zamora that's

3209
02:24:48,439 --> 02:24:51,160
okay so I had to change my thing a

3210
02:24:51,160 --> 02:24:52,960
little bit because I wanted to address

3211
02:24:52,960 --> 02:24:54,840
one of the things that was said um

3212
02:24:54,840 --> 02:24:56,399
before I go into my Spiel I wanted to

3213
02:24:56,399 --> 02:24:58,800
bring up the comment that was made from

3214
02:24:58,800 --> 02:25:02,359
over here about no best fire incidents

3215
02:25:02,359 --> 02:25:05,160
in the last five years just a quick

3216
02:25:05,160 --> 02:25:06,800
Google search and I found two

3217
02:25:06,800 --> 02:25:09,279
independent studies done oh that was

3218
02:25:09,279 --> 02:25:12,240
just really quick and best fires have

3219
02:25:12,240 --> 02:25:16,200
trended steadily from 2020 just in 2023

3220
02:25:16,200 --> 02:25:19,960
there was 15 per the study um I'll post

3221
02:25:19,960 --> 02:25:22,040
the link with all the charts on the

3222
02:25:22,040 --> 02:25:23,880
Facebook group for

3223
02:25:23,880 --> 02:25:27,319
everybody um let's

3224
02:25:27,319 --> 02:25:30,240
see so I've lived in scad County my

3225
02:25:30,240 --> 02:25:33,640
entire life of 33 years I've been a CED

3226
02:25:33,640 --> 02:25:36,760
woly resident for over 15 years I've

3227
02:25:36,760 --> 02:25:38,359
worked construction locally in the

3228
02:25:38,359 --> 02:25:40,920
laborers union for over a decade mostly

3229
02:25:40,920 --> 02:25:44,279
in the oil and gas industry um

3230
02:25:44,279 --> 02:25:47,479
particularly focused in OSHA industrial

3231
02:25:47,479 --> 02:25:50,640
safety regulations and also on public

3232
02:25:50,640 --> 02:25:52,800
projects like this gadg of river bridge

3233
02:25:52,800 --> 02:25:55,439
collaps I'm an avid fisherman and

3234
02:25:55,439 --> 02:25:57,359
Outdoorsman while simultaneously

3235
02:25:57,359 --> 02:26:00,560
respecting and admiring all the wildlife

3236
02:26:00,560 --> 02:26:02,720
as well as the environment all of my

3237
02:26:02,720 --> 02:26:04,439
friends and neighbors Hunt and Gather

3238
02:26:04,439 --> 02:26:06,520
their own food from the earth we all

3239
02:26:06,520 --> 02:26:09,520
have Orchards or Gardens cattle chickens

3240
02:26:09,520 --> 02:26:11,920
horses and various other plants and

3241
02:26:11,920 --> 02:26:14,240
animals that we water from our

3242
02:26:14,240 --> 02:26:17,279
wells um I'm wholeheartedly opposed to

3243
02:26:17,279 --> 02:26:19,800
this project and just because some of

3244
02:26:19,800 --> 02:26:22,279
mine and other union leaders have spoken

3245
02:26:22,279 --> 02:26:25,359
in favor of the best project in the past

3246
02:26:25,359 --> 02:26:27,760
here um as they will always do to

3247
02:26:27,760 --> 02:26:30,000
support their wallets that does not mean

3248
02:26:30,000 --> 02:26:32,319
it's the right thing this project will

3249
02:26:32,319 --> 02:26:34,439
not significantly impact our union

3250
02:26:34,439 --> 02:26:37,080
membership as a whole it will not create

3251
02:26:37,080 --> 02:26:40,720
create local subst substantial jobs the

3252
02:26:40,720 --> 02:26:42,520
project is temporary and after the

3253
02:26:42,520 --> 02:26:45,640
facility is completely unmanned after

3254
02:26:45,640 --> 02:26:48,200
completion um the facility itself will

3255
02:26:48,200 --> 02:26:50,479
have a significant detrimental impact

3256
02:26:50,479 --> 02:26:52,720
Upon Our Community just from basic

3257
02:26:52,720 --> 02:26:55,399
day-to-day operations and Lord knows a

3258
02:26:55,399 --> 02:26:57,399
flood which can easily happen since

3259
02:26:57,399 --> 02:27:00,640
location is in a flood plane result in a

3260
02:27:00,640 --> 02:27:02,720
catastrophic failure will impact our

3261
02:27:02,720 --> 02:27:05,200
community and ecosystem for life

3262
02:27:05,200 --> 02:27:07,040
especially Hansen's Creek which has been

3263
02:27:07,040 --> 02:27:10,160
talked about a lot um and the gadget

3264
02:27:10,160 --> 02:27:12,680
river which is the only Puget Sound

3265
02:27:12,680 --> 02:27:14,960
river system with all five Pacific

3266
02:27:14,960 --> 02:27:17,560
salmon species importantly the scad

3267
02:27:17,560 --> 02:27:19,800
river has three salmonoid species listed

3268
02:27:19,800 --> 02:27:22,680
as threatened under the endangered spe

3269
02:27:22,680 --> 02:27:25,720
Species Act Bol trout steel head and the

3270
02:27:25,720 --> 02:27:28,319
largest remaining runs of threatened

3271
02:27:28,319 --> 02:27:30,760
puic sound shinuk salmon which are the

3272
02:27:30,760 --> 02:27:33,880
key prey species for our endangered puic

3273
02:27:33,880 --> 02:27:36,439
puit sound

3274
02:27:36,439 --> 02:27:39,120
orcas I am a human being before I am my

3275
02:27:39,120 --> 02:27:41,760
job title I will always put a human life

3276
02:27:41,760 --> 02:27:45,279
my family safety in the community first

3277
02:27:45,279 --> 02:27:47,640
before the size of my wallet I urge

3278
02:27:47,640 --> 02:27:49,880
everyone involved to do the same thank

3279
02:27:49,880 --> 02:27:56,190
you thank

3280
02:27:56,200 --> 02:28:07,150
you Jennifer

3281
02:28:07,160 --> 02:28:09,200
Washington first I'd like to say thank

3282
02:28:09,200 --> 02:28:11,160
you to you mayor and the city council my

3283
02:28:11,160 --> 02:28:12,720
name is Jennifer Washington and I'm the

3284
02:28:12,720 --> 02:28:14,800
chairman of the uppers scet

3285
02:28:14,800 --> 02:28:19,200
tribe Scott Skyler has already spoke um

3286
02:28:19,200 --> 02:28:21,800
I concur with with a lot that has been

3287
02:28:21,800 --> 02:28:24,760
said here and mainly I just wanted to

3288
02:28:24,760 --> 02:28:28,319
come and say that the upper scad tribe

3289
02:28:28,319 --> 02:28:34,070
stands with the city of Cesar

3290
02:28:34,080 --> 02:28:36,600
woolly

3291
02:28:36,600 --> 02:28:39,040
so I got several

3292
02:28:39,040 --> 02:28:42,040
calls uh wondering why is the tribe

3293
02:28:42,040 --> 02:28:45,680
standing by next to this we're not that

3294
02:28:45,680 --> 02:28:48,680
was never said that was not not our

3295
02:28:48,680 --> 02:28:51,880
intent we will be drafting a letter and

3296
02:28:51,880 --> 02:28:54,600
we do stand with the community I'm born

3297
02:28:54,600 --> 02:28:58,200
raised CED wooly we stand with you we're

3298
02:28:58,200 --> 02:29:00,120
here we will fight we will do what we

3299
02:29:00,120 --> 02:29:03,319
need to do and we are strong we are

3300
02:29:03,319 --> 02:29:04,160
strong

3301
02:29:04,160 --> 02:29:06,520
Community that's it thank you and have a

3302
02:29:06,520 --> 02:29:14,630
wonderful evening thank you

3303
02:29:14,640 --> 02:29:27,790
Jennifer Kevin dyra

3304
02:29:27,800 --> 02:29:30,040
excuse me my name is Kevin dyra I'd like

3305
02:29:30,040 --> 02:29:32,600
to thank you for very uh showing great

3306
02:29:32,600 --> 02:29:35,760
decorum and respect in a hostile crowd I

3307
02:29:35,760 --> 02:29:38,000
respectfully disagree with your proposal

3308
02:29:38,000 --> 02:29:40,080
and council members uh there's such a

3309
02:29:40,080 --> 02:29:41,600
thing as yielding my time I have a

3310
02:29:41,600 --> 02:29:43,680
question what do we as Citizens do to

3311
02:29:43,680 --> 02:29:45,760
stop this Andor what do we as Citizens

3312
02:29:45,760 --> 02:29:48,640
do to support you in stopping this

3313
02:29:48,640 --> 02:29:56,070
proposal thank you

3314
02:29:56,080 --> 02:29:58,359
your very presence here today is very

3315
02:29:58,359 --> 02:30:01,080
supportive I'm sorry your very presence

3316
02:30:01,080 --> 02:30:04,520
here this evening is very

3317
02:30:04,520 --> 02:30:12,190
supportive Connie

3318
02:30:12,200 --> 02:30:14,920
Miller Madame mayor and City Council

3319
02:30:14,920 --> 02:30:17,760
Members I wanted to First say thank you

3320
02:30:17,760 --> 02:30:20,920
so much for being our voice tonight we

3321
02:30:20,920 --> 02:30:23,120
have not as Citizens had an opportunity

3322
02:30:23,120 --> 02:30:25,319
to ask these questions that you have

3323
02:30:25,319 --> 02:30:28,880
asked on our behalf and you did a really

3324
02:30:28,880 --> 02:30:30,960
outstanding job there were so many of

3325
02:30:30,960 --> 02:30:33,000
the questions I've been concerned about

3326
02:30:33,000 --> 02:30:34,520
and of course our community has been

3327
02:30:34,520 --> 02:30:37,000
concerned about as well so we greatly

3328
02:30:37,000 --> 02:30:39,160
appreciate that I also want to thank you

3329
02:30:39,160 --> 02:30:41,040
for allowing us to be here in your study

3330
02:30:41,040 --> 02:30:43,399
session during a public forum again it

3331
02:30:43,399 --> 02:30:45,359
gives the community a voice and a way

3332
02:30:45,359 --> 02:30:48,040
for us to be able to not only understand

3333
02:30:48,040 --> 02:30:50,920
what's going on but for you to as well

3334
02:30:50,920 --> 02:30:52,920
how passionately we all are concerned

3335
02:30:52,920 --> 02:30:55,960
about this task um and I I want to

3336
02:30:55,960 --> 02:30:57,760
reiterate just what the previous speaker

3337
02:30:57,760 --> 02:31:00,560
had said um I would like to encourage

3338
02:31:00,560 --> 02:31:03,000
each of you with your capacity as

3339
02:31:03,000 --> 02:31:05,120
Community leaders and leaders here in

3340
02:31:05,120 --> 02:31:07,760
Cedro wooly to see if there's a way that

3341
02:31:07,760 --> 02:31:09,760
you can communicate with the folks

3342
02:31:09,760 --> 02:31:11,439
you've been dealing with at Puget Sound

3343
02:31:11,439 --> 02:31:13,960
Energy to see what is happening with the

3344
02:31:13,960 --> 02:31:16,000
disparity of information that you've

3345
02:31:16,000 --> 02:31:18,479
received in reporting directly from them

3346
02:31:18,479 --> 02:31:20,680
about the grid versus what we're hearing

3347
02:31:20,680 --> 02:31:23,399
from this uh organization here tonight I

3348
02:31:23,399 --> 02:31:25,800
would be as a citizen very interested in

3349
02:31:25,800 --> 02:31:28,040
the results of those questions that you

3350
02:31:28,040 --> 02:31:30,520
might want to inquire with Puget Sound

3351
02:31:30,520 --> 02:31:33,080
Energy and again I would also like to

3352
02:31:33,080 --> 02:31:34,520
know if there's anything that you might

3353
02:31:34,520 --> 02:31:36,720
recommend that we as Citizens do either

3354
02:31:36,720 --> 02:31:38,920
through continuing to work with the city

3355
02:31:38,920 --> 02:31:41,600
council or on our own to try to appeal

3356
02:31:41,600 --> 02:31:44,200
to FC or whatever organization at the

3357
02:31:44,200 --> 02:31:46,120
state level are really making the

3358
02:31:46,120 --> 02:31:47,880
decisions that affect our local

3359
02:31:47,880 --> 02:31:50,040
community if there's anything that you

3360
02:31:50,040 --> 02:31:51,920
might have as a resource for us as you

3361
02:31:51,920 --> 02:31:54,560
can see we are highly motivated and very

3362
02:31:54,560 --> 02:31:56,800
passionate we would be very willing to

3363
02:31:56,800 --> 02:31:58,840
cooperate with you on that behalf thank

3364
02:31:58,840 --> 02:32:05,230
you thank

3365
02:32:05,240 --> 02:32:16,150
you Daryl

3366
02:32:16,160 --> 02:32:17,960
fuzel good

3367
02:32:17,960 --> 02:32:20,880
evening my name is Daryl f I'm a retired

3368
02:32:20,880 --> 02:32:24,160
CEO of a tech company I'm a resident of

3369
02:32:24,160 --> 02:32:27,160
scet County and before I start I'd like

3370
02:32:27,160 --> 02:32:29,640
to commend commissioner

3371
02:32:29,640 --> 02:32:32,600
Browning where are

3372
02:32:32,600 --> 02:32:37,000
you and commissioner weon for their

3373
02:32:37,000 --> 02:32:41,439
stand publicly against this project also

3374
02:32:41,439 --> 02:32:42,520
this

3375
02:32:42,520 --> 02:32:45,279
Council this is very important I have a

3376
02:32:45,279 --> 02:32:48,000
recommendation as a CEO I sat here and I

3377
02:32:48,000 --> 02:32:50,840
listened to everything that's said

3378
02:32:50,840 --> 02:32:54,479
I am EMP my empathy to this company over

3379
02:32:54,479 --> 02:32:57,040
here is I know what it is to want to

3380
02:32:57,040 --> 02:32:59,520
expand and go somewhere else and do

3381
02:32:59,520 --> 02:33:02,000
something I do have a question that you

3382
02:33:02,000 --> 02:33:04,240
don't have to answer but how many of

3383
02:33:04,240 --> 02:33:09,309
these projects do you have in

3384
02:33:09,319 --> 02:33:11,800
Nebraska I heard you say in the

3385
02:33:11,800 --> 02:33:13,560
presentation whether I heard it wrong or

3386
02:33:13,560 --> 02:33:17,120
not that the county set aside some

3387
02:33:17,120 --> 02:33:19,960
property and then I heard commissioner

3388
02:33:19,960 --> 02:33:24,200
we and commissioner brownie refute

3389
02:33:24,200 --> 02:33:26,600
that I'll get back to that in just a

3390
02:33:26,600 --> 02:33:28,279
moment I'm not going to use all of my

3391
02:33:28,279 --> 02:33:30,240
three

3392
02:33:30,240 --> 02:33:34,040
minutes as a CEO I would say that your

3393
02:33:34,040 --> 02:33:37,399
environmental study was very weak I

3394
02:33:37,399 --> 02:33:41,080
can't imagine anybody working for me

3395
02:33:41,080 --> 02:33:44,760
presenting such a ill

3396
02:33:44,760 --> 02:33:47,120
prepared

3397
02:33:47,120 --> 02:33:49,840
presentation I can't imagine anybody in

3398
02:33:49,840 --> 02:33:53,800
this room saying sign me up just doesn't

3399
02:33:53,800 --> 02:33:58,710
it doesn't

3400
02:33:58,720 --> 02:34:03,560
wash Riley spoke about earthquakes great

3401
02:34:03,560 --> 02:34:06,960
Point nothing was said by you about the

3402
02:34:06,960 --> 02:34:09,200
earthquakes but I have something to say

3403
02:34:09,200 --> 02:34:10,960
for the fire

3404
02:34:10,960 --> 02:34:13,000
departments how much money are you going

3405
02:34:13,000 --> 02:34:15,960
to pay in advance to the fire department

3406
02:34:15,960 --> 02:34:17,680
you heard that they're

3407
02:34:17,680 --> 02:34:19,920
volunteer that you're going to use to

3408
02:34:19,920 --> 02:34:23,120
prepare them in equipment not just

3409
02:34:23,120 --> 02:34:25,359
education they don't need to sit through

3410
02:34:25,359 --> 02:34:27,920
an hour's worth of seminar they're going

3411
02:34:27,920 --> 02:34:31,120
to need money for equipment to fight

3412
02:34:31,120 --> 02:34:34,479
whatever we don't know is

3413
02:34:34,479 --> 02:34:37,680
coming that wasn't mentioned here

3414
02:34:37,680 --> 02:34:40,040
tonight so you wouldn't get my vote is

3415
02:34:40,040 --> 02:34:41,840
what I'm

3416
02:34:41,840 --> 02:34:44,520
saying now everybody in this room

3417
02:34:44,520 --> 02:34:47,720
remembers the national political move

3418
02:34:47,720 --> 02:34:49,920
that was made

3419
02:34:49,920 --> 02:34:52,960
let's just pass this so that we can see

3420
02:34:52,960 --> 02:34:54,560
what's in

3421
02:34:54,560 --> 02:35:00,920
it not in CED willly not in scet

3422
02:35:00,920 --> 02:35:05,240
County we believe what Reagan said

3423
02:35:05,240 --> 02:35:10,830
trust but

3424
02:35:10,840 --> 02:35:13,840
verify I have two recommendations for

3425
02:35:13,840 --> 02:35:16,840
everybody in this room but before I give

3426
02:35:16,840 --> 02:35:19,760
that under the power of my

3427
02:35:19,760 --> 02:35:22,000
constitutional right and Free Speech I'm

3428
02:35:22,000 --> 02:35:24,680
going to ask a show of hands of

3429
02:35:24,680 --> 02:35:27,279
everybody that's opposed to this project

3430
02:35:27,279 --> 02:35:28,960
in scet

3431
02:35:28,960 --> 02:35:31,760
County I only did that for you people

3432
02:35:31,760 --> 02:35:33,040
over

3433
02:35:33,040 --> 02:35:36,399
here here's my

3434
02:35:36,399 --> 02:35:39,200
recommendation as County residents we

3435
02:35:39,200 --> 02:35:41,680
don't know anybody in Olympia that we

3436
02:35:41,680 --> 02:35:43,840
can get on the

3437
02:35:43,840 --> 02:35:47,319
phone and say stop

3438
02:35:47,319 --> 02:35:51,710
this we're not in favor of it

3439
02:35:51,720 --> 02:35:54,080
but get a hold of your Council people

3440
02:35:54,080 --> 02:35:58,000
not just tonight tomorrow and all the

3441
02:35:58,000 --> 02:36:01,080
way till Friday and all next week and

3442
02:36:01,080 --> 02:36:03,040
you've got two Commissioners in this

3443
02:36:03,040 --> 02:36:05,720
room they if they don't know who to call

3444
02:36:05,720 --> 02:36:06,439
in

3445
02:36:06,439 --> 02:36:09,200
Olympia they know that they can call

3446
02:36:09,200 --> 02:36:12,240
somebody that they can make your voice

3447
02:36:12,240 --> 02:36:18,550
heard in Olympia talk to them they're

3448
02:36:18,560 --> 02:36:22,560
here I heard over and over again tonight

3449
02:36:22,560 --> 02:36:25,560
the same word over and over again so

3450
02:36:25,560 --> 02:36:28,000
here's my recommendation to

3451
02:36:28,000 --> 02:36:32,479
you the same word that I heard up here

3452
02:36:32,479 --> 02:36:46,680
fight and I believe it this is a is it a

3453
02:36:46,680 --> 02:36:51,840
Chris Parks and Jim kins is that right

3454
02:36:51,840 --> 02:36:57,510
or is that a

3455
02:36:57,520 --> 02:37:00,880
mistake if not that believe it or not

3456
02:37:00,880 --> 02:37:06,790
concludes public comment

3457
02:37:06,800 --> 02:37:10,990
yes

3458
02:37:11,000 --> 02:37:14,279
sure I don't see anybody online thank

3459
02:37:14,279 --> 02:37:16,520
you my name is Suzanne roner um I'm

3460
02:37:16,520 --> 02:37:18,080
somewhat of an outsider I'm from anac

3461
02:37:18,080 --> 02:37:21,680
Cordis but I'm here for you guys um just

3462
02:37:21,680 --> 02:37:24,840
to um Echo what Val said earlier about

3463
02:37:24,840 --> 02:37:27,120
um tanasa trying to do this in other

3464
02:37:27,120 --> 02:37:29,880
places I a quick search online revealed

3465
02:37:29,880 --> 02:37:31,720
that both Renton and Covington were

3466
02:37:31,720 --> 02:37:33,520
approached for this so perhaps the city

3467
02:37:33,520 --> 02:37:35,640
council can give them a call and find

3468
02:37:35,640 --> 02:37:38,880
out their strategy for saying no to this

3469
02:37:38,880 --> 02:37:42,200
um another thing about the 2,000 200,000

3470
02:37:42,200 --> 02:37:44,399
homes for four hours that's the energy

3471
02:37:44,399 --> 02:37:48,319
this will provide um and the assumption

3472
02:37:48,319 --> 02:37:50,240
is that sket County will will benefit

3473
02:37:50,240 --> 02:37:52,720
from this um in a true emergency it

3474
02:37:52,720 --> 02:37:54,080
would go to hospitals and other

3475
02:37:54,080 --> 02:37:57,600
emergency um areas but remember 2 years

3476
02:37:57,600 --> 02:38:00,720
ago pet Sound Energy replaced every

3477
02:38:00,720 --> 02:38:03,240
electrical meter in this County with a

3478
02:38:03,240 --> 02:38:05,680
two-way system so that they can shut

3479
02:38:05,680 --> 02:38:07,880
your energy off without even showing up

3480
02:38:07,880 --> 02:38:10,880
at your home so if you if we think we're

3481
02:38:10,880 --> 02:38:12,439
going to get some of that energy in a

3482
02:38:12,439 --> 02:38:17,080
true emergency I think we're diluted um

3483
02:38:17,080 --> 02:38:18,720
and then also the slide on the

3484
02:38:18,720 --> 02:38:23,000
decommission of the the uh facility and

3485
02:38:23,000 --> 02:38:25,359
quote current land use is preserved

3486
02:38:25,359 --> 02:38:27,800
after the life of the project so since

3487
02:38:27,800 --> 02:38:30,800
this is G egg NRL land my assumption is

3488
02:38:30,800 --> 02:38:33,600
that land will be tractor ready ready to

3489
02:38:33,600 --> 02:38:35,000
put seed in it when they're done with

3490
02:38:35,000 --> 02:38:37,240
this project I'm hoping that's what they

3491
02:38:37,240 --> 02:38:39,279
mean when they say it will be returned

3492
02:38:39,279 --> 02:38:41,160
to the pre U present

3493
02:38:41,160 --> 02:38:44,880
use um and then I just want to also

3494
02:38:44,880 --> 02:38:47,520
mention I was at the uh first meeting

3495
02:38:47,520 --> 02:38:49,520
and several people mentioned that they

3496
02:38:49,520 --> 02:38:52,560
had no notice a very short notice and

3497
02:38:52,560 --> 02:38:54,160
then after the meeting we were told if

3498
02:38:54,160 --> 02:38:56,399
we wanted to make public comment that

3499
02:38:56,399 --> 02:38:58,279
would be part of the record we had until

3500
02:38:58,279 --> 02:39:00,920
I think 9:00 that night to do it and I

3501
02:39:00,920 --> 02:39:03,240
thought that was a little bit um short

3502
02:39:03,240 --> 02:39:05,319
notice and a little bit

3503
02:39:05,319 --> 02:39:07,319
disingenuous and then the last thing

3504
02:39:07,319 --> 02:39:10,399
where is that um after the last meeting

3505
02:39:10,399 --> 02:39:12,760
I went and talked to one of the um

3506
02:39:12,760 --> 02:39:16,319
presenters who's not here tonight but at

3507
02:39:16,319 --> 02:39:18,640
that meeting they mentioned that since

3508
02:39:18,640 --> 02:39:22,960
this is a major utility project there is

3509
02:39:22,960 --> 02:39:26,200
a conditional use in the code for that

3510
02:39:26,200 --> 02:39:27,840
and I went and approached that gentleman

3511
02:39:27,840 --> 02:39:29,600
he was an older gentleman short in

3512
02:39:29,600 --> 02:39:32,359
stature uh he was sitting on the right

3513
02:39:32,359 --> 02:39:35,000
hand table as you look at at the uh

3514
02:39:35,000 --> 02:39:37,160
Podium up there I can't remember his

3515
02:39:37,160 --> 02:39:39,399
name but he I asked him where do I find

3516
02:39:39,399 --> 02:39:41,359
that definition and he didn't tell me

3517
02:39:41,359 --> 02:39:45,160
but he said that the Planning Commission

3518
02:39:45,160 --> 02:39:48,640
suggested it be called or be determined

3519
02:39:48,640 --> 02:39:51,160
to be a major utility project so it

3520
02:39:51,160 --> 02:39:53,880
could have the conditional use

3521
02:39:53,880 --> 02:39:57,080
exemption and so that I didn't that made

3522
02:39:57,080 --> 02:39:59,880
me wonder what in the hell's going on um

3523
02:39:59,880 --> 02:40:02,240
so I think it's something that I don't

3524
02:40:02,240 --> 02:40:03,920
know I tried to figure out how to do

3525
02:40:03,920 --> 02:40:05,439
something about it but I didn't know

3526
02:40:05,439 --> 02:40:08,120
where to look so that's what I was told

3527
02:40:08,120 --> 02:40:09,920
that the Planning Commission said this

3528
02:40:09,920 --> 02:40:11,960
should be called a major utility project

3529
02:40:11,960 --> 02:40:15,120
so they could use conditional use so for

3530
02:40:15,120 --> 02:40:16,720
what it's worth thank you all right

3531
02:40:16,720 --> 02:40:24,590
thank you

3532
02:40:24,600 --> 02:40:28,359
yes can I have one minute sure thank you

3533
02:40:28,359 --> 02:40:31,439
very much um give your name and my name

3534
02:40:31,439 --> 02:40:34,399
is Bill Schmidt I'm with the sketa

3535
02:40:34,399 --> 02:40:36,160
County Farm Bureau and we're very

3536
02:40:36,160 --> 02:40:38,120
concerned about the Farmland but I

3537
02:40:38,120 --> 02:40:40,399
didn't hear one thing all night and

3538
02:40:40,399 --> 02:40:43,080
that's alternative rate of return we

3539
02:40:43,080 --> 02:40:44,840
have a lot of water we have

3540
02:40:44,840 --> 02:40:46,720
hydroelectric why can't we make our

3541
02:40:46,720 --> 02:40:48,800
hydroelectric a little more efficient

3542
02:40:48,800 --> 02:40:50,960
for this amount of money or why can't we

3543
02:40:50,960 --> 02:40:53,040
put in another generator for the

3544
02:40:53,040 --> 02:40:55,600
hydroelectric I had nobody talk about

3545
02:40:55,600 --> 02:40:57,680
Alternatives here really and I think

3546
02:40:57,680 --> 02:40:59,800
we're in a beautiful place for hydro

3547
02:40:59,800 --> 02:41:01,830
thank you all right thank

3548
02:41:01,830 --> 02:41:08,670
[Applause]

3549
02:41:08,680 --> 02:41:11,880
you hi I'm me hall Port of Gadget and uh

3550
02:41:11,880 --> 02:41:13,120
District three and we heard this

3551
02:41:13,120 --> 02:41:15,319
presentation about six weeks ago and all

3552
02:41:15,319 --> 02:41:17,200
three Commissioners at the Port of scadu

3553
02:41:17,200 --> 02:41:19,640
are not in favor of this and we had a

3554
02:41:19,640 --> 02:41:21,479
power meeting yesterday to discuss it

3555
02:41:21,479 --> 02:41:25,120
even deeper and uh the position of PSC

3556
02:41:25,120 --> 02:41:26,840
is a little wrong for what they

3557
02:41:26,840 --> 02:41:28,200
presented to you it depends on which

3558
02:41:28,200 --> 02:41:30,000
substation you're talking about there is

3559
02:41:30,000 --> 02:41:31,800
a shortage of power in sket County it's

3560
02:41:31,800 --> 02:41:34,160
just not in Cedar woolly yet so anyway

3561
02:41:34,160 --> 02:41:36,000
but I just wanted to express I really

3562
02:41:36,000 --> 02:41:38,080
appreciate Val mullen's presentation

3563
02:41:38,080 --> 02:41:40,160
because uh many people don't consider

3564
02:41:40,160 --> 02:41:43,279
the CO2 made over there is still CO2 we

3565
02:41:43,279 --> 02:41:44,800
put up with over here and all those

3566
02:41:44,800 --> 02:41:46,600
railroad cars that go by every day are

3567
02:41:46,600 --> 02:41:49,000
going to China and they're making CO2

3568
02:41:49,000 --> 02:41:50,240
and that's how these batteries are going

3569
02:41:50,240 --> 02:41:52,160
to be made so anyway but just to let you

3570
02:41:52,160 --> 02:41:54,240
know uh uh Porter Gadget is not in

3571
02:41:54,240 --> 02:42:00,870
support of of this project thank

3572
02:42:00,880 --> 02:42:04,000
you here is there anybody

3573
02:42:04,000 --> 02:42:06,680
online that wishes to speak I thought I

3574
02:42:06,680 --> 02:42:14,590
saw a Garrett Shad is that

3575
02:42:14,600 --> 02:42:17,200
correct a guess a GG uh please state

3576
02:42:17,200 --> 02:42:20,319
your name

3577
02:42:20,319 --> 02:42:23,680
um Germaine corn oh hello

3578
02:42:23,680 --> 02:42:25,720
Jermaine hi I'm sorry I couldn't change

3579
02:42:25,720 --> 02:42:27,520
my name on there um I just had a

3580
02:42:27,520 --> 02:42:30,479
question about or I don't know if anyone

3581
02:42:30,479 --> 02:42:32,560
remembers it's basically a statement but

3582
02:42:32,560 --> 02:42:34,359
I don't know if anyone

3583
02:42:34,359 --> 02:42:37,240
remembers uh quite a few years ago when

3584
02:42:37,240 --> 02:42:40,200
a teus bottling plant was trying to come

3585
02:42:40,200 --> 02:42:41,040
into

3586
02:42:41,040 --> 02:42:44,240
anoris and um it sounds like the same

3587
02:42:44,240 --> 02:42:47,720
deal uh they tried Everett they tried

3588
02:42:47,720 --> 02:42:49,840
many other town

3589
02:42:49,840 --> 02:42:53,600
locally um for just a few jobs um they

3590
02:42:53,600 --> 02:42:55,880
were going to put a train track across

3591
02:42:55,880 --> 02:42:56,880
the

3592
02:42:56,880 --> 02:43:00,120
Estuary it sounds exactly the same and I

3593
02:43:00,120 --> 02:43:02,680
would I would encourage anyone to um

3594
02:43:02,680 --> 02:43:05,160
start looking into that um we F that

3595
02:43:05,160 --> 02:43:07,479
Sandra Spargo was the woman behind

3596
02:43:07,479 --> 02:43:10,279
fighting that little old lady and we got

3597
02:43:10,279 --> 02:43:11,920
behind her and I remember the these

3598
02:43:11,920 --> 02:43:14,040
meetings and we organized and got them

3599
02:43:14,040 --> 02:43:16,600
out of here along with former mayor Mike

3600
02:43:16,600 --> 02:43:19,160
Anderson who walked in on uh Dean

3601
02:43:19,160 --> 02:43:21,920
Maxwell signing something behind closed

3602
02:43:21,920 --> 02:43:24,680
doors so I mean I really feel like this

3603
02:43:24,680 --> 02:43:27,120
is the same kind

3604
02:43:27,120 --> 02:43:29,760
of deal all over

3605
02:43:29,760 --> 02:43:32,160
again but that history is there if we

3606
02:43:32,160 --> 02:43:34,439
can just look into that and somebody

3607
02:43:34,439 --> 02:43:36,359
else mentioned other things that that

3608
02:43:36,359 --> 02:43:39,120
happen behind closed doors and like yeah

3609
02:43:39,120 --> 02:43:40,680
so anyways I'm just saying this isn't

3610
02:43:40,680 --> 02:43:43,399
the first time that we've seen

3611
02:43:43,399 --> 02:43:45,520
this thank you and thank you guys so

3612
02:43:45,520 --> 02:43:46,920
much for all these questions the

3613
02:43:46,920 --> 02:43:49,160
questions were amazing

3614
02:43:49,160 --> 02:43:53,670
thank you

3615
02:43:53,680 --> 02:43:57,510
jine is there anybody

3616
02:43:57,520 --> 02:44:02,840
else okay seeing no hands are

3617
02:44:02,840 --> 02:44:06,200
raised that is it that will conclude um

3618
02:44:06,200 --> 02:44:10,359
the public comment for the evening um I

3619
02:44:10,359 --> 02:44:11,600
want to thank you all for being here

3620
02:44:11,600 --> 02:44:13,479
tonight for your honesty for the support

3621
02:44:13,479 --> 02:44:15,439
for the love not only the love of the

3622
02:44:15,439 --> 02:44:18,120
city but for the love of our community

3623
02:44:18,120 --> 02:44:20,080
and um just want to State again that

3624
02:44:20,080 --> 02:44:22,040
this is you know this this isn't

3625
02:44:22,040 --> 02:44:24,560
anything that uh we had brought forth we

3626
02:44:24,560 --> 02:44:27,399
don't really have a say so in the the

3627
02:44:27,399 --> 02:44:31,200
council doesn't have a say so in what

3628
02:44:31,200 --> 02:44:36,960
any of these uh developers or um utility

3629
02:44:36,960 --> 02:44:39,880
uh agencies would like to do but we can

3630
02:44:39,880 --> 02:44:41,479
stand with you in writing the letters

3631
02:44:41,479 --> 02:44:43,240
and we will we are going to do that that

3632
02:44:43,240 --> 02:44:45,240
is Our intention um we're going to put

3633
02:44:45,240 --> 02:44:46,520
together a letter and we're going to

3634
02:44:46,520 --> 02:44:49,160
submit it just as the tribe is intending

3635
02:44:49,160 --> 02:44:52,120
to do so thank you again so much for

3636
02:44:52,120 --> 02:44:53,600
being here tonight and have a good

3637
02:44:53,600 --> 02:44:57,630
evening safe

3638
02:44:57,640 --> 02:45:01,160
evening okay and city council um I am

3639
02:45:01,160 --> 02:45:02,560
getting ready to adjourn but just a

3640
02:45:02,560 --> 02:45:04,560
reminder we do have a closed session and

3641
02:45:04,560 --> 02:45:06,160
it won't take

3642
02:45:06,160 --> 02:45:08,840
long are

3643
02:45:08,840 --> 02:45:13,120
we all that oh my gosh I don't I think

3644
02:45:13,120 --> 02:45:14,880
this would take way too

3645
02:45:14,880 --> 02:45:19,070
long sorry

3646
02:45:19,080 --> 02:45:23,240
take close yeah hello there I almost got

3647
02:45:23,240 --> 02:45:24,720
up and spoke and then I thought

3648
02:45:24,720 --> 02:45:26,760
everybody said everything yeah they did

3649
02:45:26,760 --> 02:45:30,710
didn't

3650
02:45:30,720 --> 02:45:36,670
they yeah they were weren't they

3651
02:45:36,680 --> 02:45:46,630
yeah oh thank you thank

3652
02:45:46,640 --> 02:45:51,830
you thank you yeah

3653
02:45:51,840 --> 02:46:01,389
yeah they did well done well done

3654
02:46:01,399 --> 02:46:03,240
yeah I know

3655
02:46:03,240 --> 02:46:10,630
[Laughter]

3656
02:46:10,640 --> 02:46:12,560
Judy

3657
02:46:12,560 --> 02:46:14,479
okay thank

3658
02:46:14,479 --> 02:46:17,120
you great

3659
02:46:17,120 --> 02:46:21,880
names thank you thank you yeah

3660
02:46:21,880 --> 02:46:24,800
absolutely I think it's great that the

3661
02:46:24,800 --> 02:46:33,670
community is coming together like

3662
02:46:33,680 --> 02:46:36,680
this as well hey I want to ask you I got

3663
02:46:36,680 --> 02:46:38,800
your membership of course for screw so

3664
02:46:38,800 --> 02:46:42,840
thank you um did you get a book the anti

3665
02:46:42,840 --> 02:46:46,840
Communist Manifesto book okay I will

3666
02:46:46,840 --> 02:46:49,200
we're doing that as a book club fabulous

3667
02:46:49,200 --> 02:46:51,600
and everyone that signed up in 2024 gets

3668
02:46:51,600 --> 02:46:54,160
one as a thank you so I'll make sure I

3669
02:46:54,160 --> 02:46:56,319
have to order a couple more I'll make

3670
02:46:56,319 --> 02:46:58,800
okay have my number I do I do thank you

3671
02:46:58,800 --> 02:47:12,710
rile appreciate

3672
02:47:12,720 --> 02:47:15,439
it I thought you did a great job not ask

3673
02:47:15,439 --> 02:47:19,439
about the whole I think the whole thing

3674
02:47:19,439 --> 02:47:22,560
to understand our

3675
02:47:22,560 --> 02:47:42,790
in son

3676
02:47:42,800 --> 02:48:15,070
ofct weely

3677
02:48:15,080 --> 02:48:16,600
okay I'm going to say we are adjourned

3678
02:48:16,600 --> 02:48:18,160
but we do have close session so we'll

3679
02:48:18,160 --> 02:48:47,710
move to the back

3680
02:48:47,720 --> 02:49:17,710
here

3681
02:49:17,720 --> 02:51:17,510
e

3682
02:51:17,520 --> 02:51:47,510
for

3683
02:51:47,520 --> 03:10:50,279
e e