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[0:37] good evening good evening good evening
[0:39] um thank you all for being here this
[0:50] evening it is September 4th 2024 and
[0:53] this is the city council work session um
[0:57] we're going to begin the session by um
[0:59] the a call to order which I just did
[1:02] Pledge of Allegiance if you all stand
[1:03] with me
[1:05] please I pledge allegiance to the flag
[1:09] of the United States of America and to
[1:12] the Republic for which it stands one
[1:15] nation under God indivisible with
[1:18] liberty and justice for
[1:23] all okay
[1:32] okay before we begin um because this is
[1:35] a council meeting and there is priority
[1:38] business that does need to be taken care
[1:39] of I am requesting of the council that
[1:43] we're able to move under new business
[1:45] business items two and three the grant
[1:47] acceptance and the Professional Services
[1:49] agreement to the top before we do um
[1:53] introduction of our special guest and
[1:54] presentation are there any
[1:57] objections all right so Mr
[2:01] Pollock thank you mayor I'll be brief so
[2:04] the first item is we we have the we got
[2:07] the opportunity to add
[2:09] $150,000 to the Cascade Trail phase 2A
[2:14] uh project this is a project being
[2:16] designed inhouse by David Lee who's
[2:18] retiring tomorrow and so this will give
[2:21] us the capability to finish this project
[2:23] and potentially construct it next year
[2:26] um it's
[2:27] $129,000 of grant funding with2 ,000 of
[2:31] match okay are there any questions for
[2:34] bail is there a motion Madame mayor I'll
[2:37] make a motion to approve thank you do I
[2:40] have a second I'll second that thank you
[2:43] so I have a motion by councilman lavaka
[2:44] second by councilman Burns to accept the
[2:48] grant um for the sro2 Cascade Trail West
[2:52] extension Phase 2 a all those in favor
[2:55] signify by saying I I oppose same sign
[3:01] motion carries thank you moving on to
[3:03] the second item uh Mr bulock I believe
[3:06] this has to do with the professional
[3:08] service agreement amendment number two
[3:10] yes and so
[3:11] currently and I have to make a
[3:13] correction on this to the actual uh uh
[3:17] Amendment to the contract I said kjl
[3:20] instead of klj so I'll make that change
[3:23] with your permission but uh currently uh
[3:26] kjl is our uh utility rate uh consultant
[3:31] and we want to start uh an amendment to
[3:35] uh start sorry begin our utility rate
[3:38] study for the sewer rates and we have an
[3:40] obligation to get a draft by October and
[3:45] so by uh establishing this amendment
[3:48] today uh we have an opportunity to be
[3:50] able to do that without a delay okay any
[3:53] questions for
[3:55] Bill do I have a motion Madam mayor I do
[3:59] so Bill I was just wondering so we're
[4:01] getting a consultant to to discuss the
[4:03] sewer rate um increase for which years
[4:07] for basically 2025 okay and we just did
[4:11] rate increase didn't we I believe so but
[4:15] from what I understand is we do a rate
[4:17] study uh uh every year and so this is
[4:21] our consultant that does that for us so
[4:23] I'm moving that forward okay so is that
[4:25] a is that a policy or is it just
[4:27] something we do or um
[4:30] because we're paying 18 just to do a
[4:32] rate study and then to raise a rate and
[4:34] I don't I'm just wondering is we ever
[4:36] had it were um the rate study said don't
[4:39] raise the rate lower
[4:42] it so I really can't answer that
[4:45] question because I just don't have the
[4:46] history here that'd be something for
[4:47] Mark fryberger who's retired um but this
[4:51] is an expectation that I was told we
[4:53] have and so this is what we're doing and
[4:56] this same consultant is doing one for
[4:58] storm water but as I said consultant
[5:00] with our stormm water comprehensive Plan
[5:02] update that's currently underway so
[5:05] maybe Charlie do you know if this is a
[5:07] mandatory thing that we that we do every
[5:09] year we do do it every year we do it but
[5:12] are we are we required to adopting rates
[5:14] and fees is required by Council each
[5:16] year uh doing a rate study is not
[5:19] necessarily required by Council each
[5:20] year but it's prudent fiscal management
[5:22] of the utility the Wastewater utility to
[5:24] make sure that we have funds we need to
[5:26] do capital projects and maintain our
[5:28] operations so I recommend we do it so
[5:31] that would be to verify that we're
[5:32] covering the costs of them to keep them
[5:34] solvent not necessarily that we're just
[5:36] raising rates to stay in line with other
[5:38] cities we're doing what it's necessary
[5:40] to to pay the bills that's correct we
[5:43] also have our Wastewater Plant expansion
[5:45] coming up in the next few years and I
[5:46] think it's critically important at this
[5:47] point in particular to make sure that we
[5:49] have put away the funding for that that
[5:51] we
[5:52] need thank you is there a
[5:56] motion if if I may make one more
[5:58] question Madam May if else absolutely so
[6:00] on that rate study um if we do it every
[6:02] year is there a is there a trend that we
[6:06] see that increase
[6:08] in like if it goes up like 2.2 one year
[6:11] 2.4 one year 2.3 the year we see it's
[6:15] roughly at this does it make fiscal
[6:17] sense to spend the 18,000 if we know
[6:19] it's going to be within that trend line
[6:21] is it going to be dramatically different
[6:22] I
[6:24] guess that I can't so I can say in uh
[6:28] past jurisdictions I've been it's
[6:30] typical to even do a rate study once
[6:31] every three years some do it every year
[6:33] it kind of depends on the jurisdiction
[6:35] and what they their practices are um if
[6:39] you're doing something less often than
[6:41] once a year then typically what you're
[6:43] doing is you're you know adding a a CPI
[6:46] factor or you've you have a planned rate
[6:49] increase for every year and so that is a
[6:51] way to um do a rate study less
[6:56] periodically but then typically if
[6:57] you're doing a rate study every three
[6:59] years it's more expensive than if you do
[7:00] it every year because you know they uh
[7:05] when you do a rate study every year my
[7:07] priority is you you carry over the data
[7:10] from the last time you did it into um
[7:13] the current year you're doing it and and
[7:15] there's a certain amount of analysis
[7:16] that doesn't need to be redone as if
[7:18] you're doing it less frequently so uh
[7:20] from what I understand that's what this
[7:22] jurisdiction typically does and so
[7:24] that's what we're proposing to do now
[7:27] with that said that's a practice we
[7:28] could look at changing in the future
[7:29] certainly certainly we
[7:31] can so are you saying it's going to cost
[7:33] us the same amount whether we do it
[7:34] every three years or every year we're
[7:36] going to end up no I'm saying if you do
[7:37] once every three years or once every
[7:38] five whatever your frequency is that's
[7:40] going to typically be more than if you
[7:42] do it every year because you now have a
[7:44] different level of analysis to do
[7:46] because you have not maintained that
[7:48] analysis year after year so 18K per year
[7:51] plus inflation basically no matter what
[7:53] we do it's not atypical how's that but
[7:56] it wouldn't cost 60,000 for a three-year
[7:58] study or or 56,000 for a threeyear
[8:03] study hard to really tell you what that
[8:07] is it all depends on who's doing
[8:11] it um how how the utilities run you know
[8:15] what types of things they need to
[8:16] investigate if you have large Capital
[8:18] Improvements coming up in the
[8:20] next um fiscal term or not and and in
[8:25] this case we do or we're likely to so
[8:29] could we look at that and then you could
[8:31] come back and we can table this until we
[8:35] have those numbers well I tbling it now
[8:38] means we probably would not have one
[8:40] done in time for the time period that
[8:43] council is or at least what I've been
[8:45] told my expectation is we certainly
[8:47] could and then if that's okay if we
[8:49] bring back the results in November or
[8:52] December but then we won't have the
[8:53] ability to for instance incorporate that
[8:55] into our budget this year either
[9:00] councilman ly yeah I just wanted to know
[9:03] is this the same company that's been
[9:04] doing this for years for CED willly any
[9:07] I mean it's been a long time so they
[9:09] know the ins and outs that's
[9:11] correct that's my understanding anyway
[9:14] thank
[9:15] you Mayor Johnson yes go ahead um i' I'd
[9:19] personally like to see a data Trend o
[9:21] over like the past 10 years adding
[9:24] inflation um what's that what's that
[9:27] done to kind of get a grasp of what we
[9:29] would be paying uh I agree with Nick
[9:31] that if it's like 2 and a half% every
[9:34] year and that's what we know it is and
[9:35] that's been well
[9:36] established um backing the inflation out
[9:40] of it um i' I'd like to see those
[9:42] numbers and then and then either pull
[9:44] the trigger on it or not if
[9:47] that's if that's something we can get
[9:49] rather quickly that'd be
[9:52] helpful sure I can try
[9:56] it I'm sorry one one other thing to note
[10:00] is we do have uh upcoming in in the next
[10:03] couple years uh upgrades to the
[10:05] wastewater treatment plan and that is
[10:08] actually the bigger piece of the rate
[10:11] study as Bill mentioned um to make sure
[10:15] that we are saving appropriately for
[10:19] that and best using um our fiscal
[10:22] resources to make that as low cost as
[10:25] possible because debt uh costs the city
[10:28] money so we're trying to reduce our debt
[10:31] and and be really smart about that um
[10:34] and this is what the consultant helps us
[10:36] do not just the rate next year but how
[10:39] will that rate help us in the really
[10:43] near future when we're going to have to
[10:45] start start working on that project um
[10:49] and funding for that project so my
[10:52] recommendation is um along along with
[10:56] Bill and Charlie's uh is to have this
[10:59] cons and come in this year especially
[11:02] given we're going to have a lot of
[11:04] capital projects in the ne next couple
[11:06] years and it's crucial
[11:08] we have the correct rate
[11:11] now go ahead I'll respond to that Kelly
[11:16] um so klj or is it kjl I you mix me up a
[11:22] little bit whichever one it is
[11:25] um KJ klj So within this same study
[11:30] would we be and if we're looking for a
[11:32] data Trend we can get that pretty
[11:33] quickly but most certainly that can be
[11:36] if I would expect that to be part of the
[11:37] study be if we can also have them do a a
[11:41] uh an impact study on development to go
[11:45] along with that like as Kelly said we're
[11:46] getting ready to rebuild our sewer plant
[11:50] um it shouldn't all come out of the
[11:51] current rate payers some of it should
[11:54] some of the development should pay for
[11:55] our expansion sure and I would expect
[11:58] part of the rate study would also be a
[12:01] potential recommendation for what the
[12:04] GFC we call it GFC or GFF but as new
[12:08] development come in comes in they have
[12:09] kind of a buy into the system called the
[12:12] general facility charge and I would
[12:14] assume that could have a recommended
[12:16] increase potentially as well so new
[12:19] development is paying more of their fair
[12:20] share for that that's good point if we
[12:23] had answers on that I'd feel comfortable
[12:25] voting on it next
[12:26] week or next week we have me right in
[12:30] two in two weeks and when when's this
[12:32] answer due
[12:34] by well part of the obligation was to
[12:36] have a preliminary report available for
[12:40] the October 9th Public Works committee
[12:42] meeting and that's what I'm targeting
[12:43] but we could certainly um you'll have a
[12:47] report in late October or November we
[12:50] just wouldn't be able to put it through
[12:51] the committee first well it's a first
[12:53] first read too um so I think you know
[12:56] waiting for a second read or if we want
[12:58] a motion a table it that works too but I
[13:01] would take a second read I work at the
[13:03] pleasure of the council
[13:06] so so am I understanding correctly that
[13:09] if you don't do the rate study now then
[13:11] you won't know what to budget for in
[13:14] next year's budget in time or I won't
[13:16] necessarily say that I would say uh that
[13:19] will influence what we um propose for an
[13:23] event the budget for this year going
[13:25] into that that's part of what that is
[13:30] I would say that the uh analysis done by
[13:34] the consultant is extremely extremely
[13:37] thorough and not something that um I I
[13:40] have the myself have the capacity or the
[13:43] anyone in the finance department has the
[13:46] capacity to complete there's a lot of
[13:50] there's a lot of considerations um in
[13:53] that so we can of course provide a trend
[13:56] of what our rate has been um but it
[13:59] doesn't necessarily indicate what our
[14:02] future 2025 rate needs to
[14:06] be
[14:09] um so ju just putting out putting out
[14:12] that information that we don't currently
[14:15] have the capacity within the city to
[14:18] complete this thorough analysis ourself
[14:22] we do uh do rate studies ourselves for
[14:27] solid waste for solid waste which has a
[14:29] little bit although they you know
[14:31] there's has its own complexity it's not
[14:33] quite as complex
[14:36] as you know um it's not quite as complex
[14:40] as a sewer utility or storm water
[14:44] utility I think we're just looking for
[14:46] the two weeks and get the data and it
[14:50] would be hard pressed to um maybe we
[14:52] should have got this before us sooner if
[14:54] we were that crunched on time I don't
[14:56] know but two weeks doesn't sound like a
[14:59] large amount of time to to ask and see
[15:01] the trends and see the data and I mean I
[15:04] know that it were coming up on a capital
[15:06] project but a lot of that Capital
[15:07] project I thought was already in plans
[15:09] and being funded according to my
[15:11] discussions with Mark fryberger that we
[15:13] had that in motion so you know we're
[15:17] we're I think last year they also
[15:19] included that we would be needing a
[15:21] capital Improvement project so it's the
[15:23] same information every year that's what
[15:25] I'm saying um I would be in favor of
[15:28] just waiting for two weeks and then
[15:29] getting that data before us or finding
[15:32] away wouldn't it be next week I'll make
[15:33] a make a motion for next week if it's
[15:35] one week on the 11th I will second okay
[15:39] we have a motion to delay um this um
[15:44] um let me look the professional service
[15:47] agreement until September 11th is there
[15:50] any more
[15:52] discussion Madam mayor Ju Just to note
[15:55] that that is challenging for staff
[15:57] because today is Wednesday
[15:59] and we put out the packet by the end of
[16:01] the day Friday probably will be
[16:04] September 24th meeting and that that is
[16:07] a pretty challenging timeline but don't
[16:11] they already include Trend data in their
[16:13] analysis report so can't you just pull
[16:15] up last year's report and pull the trend
[16:17] data out from their report or look at
[16:19] the last and just say hey this last five
[16:22] years we've increase the rate this much
[16:24] based on that consultant it doesn't have
[16:25] to be super thorough I'll take a look
[16:29] thank you Bill appreciate that I mean if
[16:31] I can get it get something out for
[16:33] September 11th meeting I will if not we
[16:35] can wait till the 2 you know the 24th is
[16:37] the next council meeting after that
[16:39] because I want to get you the right
[16:40] information I don't want to get you okay
[16:44] but so that we're not ex um uh setting
[16:46] high expectations there is that
[16:48] possibility that when it comes time to
[16:50] vote upon the budget we may not have the
[16:51] correct data and right well I would say
[16:56] that um you know it it it will be a less
[17:00] confident and
[17:02] accurate U recommendation which is fine
[17:05] we can do that too um but certainly then
[17:09] we um you know may have to
[17:13] have um we may have to make that up the
[17:17] following year to a certain extent if if
[17:19] we adopt a rate study that's U lower
[17:23] than we than the analysis recommends
[17:26] that's all it is okay
[17:30] okay so if there's no more discussion or
[17:32] questions we do have a motion on the
[17:33] table by lav councilman lavaka seconded
[17:36] by councilman handerson to delay um this
[17:40] current agreement all those in favor
[17:42] signify by saying I I oppos same
[17:45] sign okay so I want to State for the
[17:48] record I see where councilman Paul cooch
[17:49] has come online and so um all council
[17:52] members are here in chamber tonight
[17:56] present in the meeting okay
[17:59] um thank you
[18:01] for uh working through that next we have
[18:05] a um presentation uh but regarding the
[18:08] golden eye battery energy storage system
[18:11] project
[18:12] presentation um I want to thank our
[18:14] guests for coming in here tonight I know
[18:16] that some of you traveled a great
[18:17] distance to be here at our request so
[18:20] that you could do a presentation for the
[18:22] council um as part of the decorum I am
[18:26] requesting that there is respect and um
[18:30] professionalism shown by the audience um
[18:33] they are our guests they are here to
[18:36] present to the council and so with that
[18:38] I will introduce them um the first
[18:43] is Nicole DS and Nicole DS is community
[18:47] relations she's a manager community
[18:50] relations Tommy Nelson is the lead
[18:53] project
[18:54] developer vasu panipati is the vice
[18:57] president inine engineering and
[19:01] construction retired captain and
[19:03] assistant Fire Marshall Mike Nichols is
[19:05] the energy storage specialist and fire
[19:08] consultant Hiller
[19:10] companies and Brad Cole is the senior
[19:13] project
[19:14] manager so um with that we will turn
[19:17] this over to you I don't know who's
[19:19] starting will that be you all right
[19:20] thank you Nicole absolutely good evening
[19:23] everyone um Mayor Johnson council
[19:26] members uh thank you for allowing us to
[19:29] be here um my name is Nicole DS um I am
[19:33] manager of community relations at tanasa
[19:36] um the company that is developing the
[19:39] golden eye energy storage project um
[19:41] tanasa is a NE Omaha Nebraska based
[19:44] company uh with over 35 years of
[19:47] experience in the energy space and a
[19:51] long history of um developing
[19:54] constructing and safely operating um
[19:58] facilities all over the country so thank
[20:02] you first we want to uh thank you for
[20:04] inviting us here uh this evening to be
[20:06] able to share an overview of the project
[20:08] with you um and answer any of your
[20:11] questions um we also want to thank those
[20:13] of you that are in the audience um that
[20:16] may be had been in attendance at the uh
[20:19] recent fsec hearing um those of you that
[20:22] were able to share your thoughts um at
[20:25] both at the hearing and on our project
[20:27] website as well as um to FC um this
[20:33] proposed project is um in its very early
[20:36] stages uh for a um an extensive
[20:39] permitting process um but we welcome um
[20:43] the engagement involvement um of
[20:45] everyone um at each step um so today um
[20:50] with me I have uh subject matter experts
[20:54] in development um in
[20:56] engineering uh in environmental and
[20:59] safety um and again my role is in
[21:03] community engagement so I welcome um any
[21:07] one of you um that would like to to
[21:10] discuss um your concerns directly um but
[21:14] I think right now I'll turn it over to
[21:16] Tommy Nelson who is our lead project
[21:18] developer uh to dive into the project
[21:21] but uh again thank you for your time
[21:23] this evening
[21:28] thanks Nicole uh next slide
[21:33] please so and thanks again to the city
[21:36] council and to Mayor Johnson for
[21:38] inviting us to present and uh to the
[21:40] members of public here in attendance um
[21:43] want to start our presentation here by
[21:45] sharing some information about the
[21:47] process that leads to a project like
[21:49] this even being
[21:50] introduced uh it begins with local
[21:53] utilities identifying energy needs uh in
[21:56] the case of Washington the plans call
[21:59] for an addition of significant battery
[22:02] energy storage capacity uh the cedra
[22:04] Wooly substation was identified as one
[22:07] of the ideal locations for a best
[22:09] project utilities then issue requests
[22:12] for proposals to meet those needs and
[22:15] developers respond with projects that
[22:18] serve the public interest and those
[22:19] projects enter pering
[22:22] review We are one of many developers
[22:24] offering to leverage our expertise and
[22:26] experience to support these priorities
[22:29] uh next slide
[22:34] please why are the utilities looking to
[22:37] add best to the grid well uh the
[22:38] underlying reasons for this are well
[22:41] known to some of you but uh for others
[22:43] in short the reason is Washington's
[22:45] power grid is strained and the potential
[22:47] for energy shortages which can lead to
[22:50] blackouts and brown outs uh during
[22:52] periods of peak demand are on the
[22:54] horizon additionally the trans
[22:57] transition to clean energy leaves the
[22:59] grid dependent on intermittent resources
[23:02] such as wind and solar that do not
[23:04] produce when the sun isn't shining or
[23:06] when the wind is not blowing energy
[23:09] storage is a viable and critical way to
[23:12] keep the lights on for homes businesses
[23:14] and
[23:15] infrastructure and it's why best
[23:17] facilities are being considered in every
[23:19] corner of the Pacific Northwest not just
[23:21] scet
[23:23] County next slide
[23:26] please these are a few of the uh
[23:29] headlines and media clips that uh have
[23:32] come out recently uh public attention on
[23:34] these issues has has definitely
[23:36] increased local and Regional media
[23:39] Outlets have begun exploring the impact
[23:40] of the grid and energy challenges and
[23:43] the need for Solutions next slide
[23:48] please now we can uh go into the next
[23:52] slide
[23:53] please uh now we talk about how the best
[23:57] projects themselves work
[23:58] in a very simple way uh what they're
[24:00] doing is storing energy that is
[24:02] generated during periods of peak
[24:04] production so that power can be
[24:06] delivered during periods of peak demand
[24:08] or when there is a shortage of energy
[24:10] being
[24:11] produced uh next
[24:14] slide and this uh is just a you know
[24:18] Source from PGE But A visual
[24:21] representation that kind of help
[24:22] understand what is is effectively
[24:24] happening here there's intermittent
[24:27] resources when solar Etc and batteries
[24:30] kind of fit in that middle range between
[24:33] the generation and the end
[24:35] user um go ahead to the next slide
[24:39] please so a little bit about the history
[24:42] of Bess uh lithium ion technology first
[24:44] came around in the
[24:47] 1980s uh commercialized in the early 90s
[24:50] really didn't uh emerge at the utility
[24:53] scale level until the early
[24:56] 2000s um it's important to not
[24:58] there's a big difference between the
[25:00] utility scale best projects such as the
[25:02] golden eye project and other lithium ion
[25:05] uses such as cell phones e scooters
[25:08] electric vehicle
[25:10] batteries and utility scale best
[25:12] projects have been intensely researched
[25:15] by National Laboratories including
[25:17] Pacific Northwest National Lab pnnl here
[25:19] in Eastern Washington uh and today these
[25:22] projects are being proposed in every
[25:24] corner of the state next slide please
[25:33] an important aspect of how these
[25:35] projects get cited and where they're
[25:36] located
[25:38] uh where they are is um to understand
[25:42] what criteria are considered when we're
[25:44] citing one of these
[25:45] projects first and foremost they must be
[25:48] placed in close proximity to utility
[25:50] substations this means best projects are
[25:53] built in areas with a history coexisting
[25:55] with existing with electric
[25:59] infrastructure uh pictured here is the
[26:01] cedra Wooly substation from an aerial
[26:03] view uh approximately 14 acre industrial
[26:06] facility less than half a mile from the
[26:09] proposed site for Golden ey like the
[26:11] proposed golden eye project the facility
[26:13] is heavily regulated to ensure
[26:15] environmental safety and Community
[26:17] compliance next slide
[26:22] please one of the first questions in
[26:24] response to any proposed project is
[26:26] safety and this is the top priority to
[26:28] NASA in the development of battery
[26:30] energy storage systems we work with top
[26:34] experts in the field and coordinate
[26:36] closely with local first responder
[26:37] agencies in every step of the process a
[26:40] small number of incidents have been well
[26:42] publicized but are extremely rare and
[26:44] the industry has learned how to best
[26:45] prevent them from happening and respond
[26:47] them to them effectively when they do
[26:50] and that's one of the reasons we have
[26:52] our uh technical experts here this
[26:54] evening for you guys to ask
[26:56] questions uh next slide
[27:02] please the golden ey project
[27:04] specifically will utilize the safest and
[27:06] most Advanced Technologies available
[27:08] which will meet or exceed all applicable
[27:10] codes and standards independent experts
[27:13] and local fire authorities are consulted
[27:15] at every Stage Standard here standards
[27:18] here in Washington have been updated and
[27:20] new best projects being built are
[27:22] subject to significantly more stringent
[27:24] requirements than they were at the
[27:25] outset next slide
[27:33] okay you can go ahead to the next
[27:37] one the proposed location of the project
[27:40] is shown here in this picture just uh
[27:43] north east of the substation and as we
[27:46] discussed previously the golden eye
[27:48] project is proposed to be located next
[27:50] to an existing industrial footprint the
[27:52] Cedro wooly
[27:53] substation um we will collaborate with
[27:56] local stakeholders on any m measures and
[27:59] just as with the substation the facility
[28:01] will coexist with the surrounding
[28:03] environment the site is zoned for uh to
[28:07] allow major utility developments as a
[28:10] special use which uh this project has
[28:12] been designated by scet
[28:15] County next slide
[28:22] please uh there were a number of
[28:24] concerns that were raised at the FC
[28:25] hearing that I would like to kind of
[28:27] address um ultimately what I'm about to
[28:30] share with you will have to be validated
[28:32] by the scientific processes that FC
[28:34] employs uh the facility will not be
[28:37] allowed to move forward if it doesn't
[28:39] comply uh first that the project has a
[28:42] low elevation profile it will be
[28:44] consistent with the current view shed uh
[28:46] second the project will not release any
[28:48] emissions or radiation from the
[28:51] batteries uh leakage cannot occur
[28:53] because there is no free liquid inside
[28:55] the batteries again it's important to
[28:57] understand the difference between
[28:58] utility scale best and other lithium ion
[29:01] uses as well as battery chemistries that
[29:03] are not
[29:05] comparable the facility will comply with
[29:07] local noise ordinances as does the
[29:09] substation next door specifically they
[29:12] will comply with scet county code
[29:14] chapter
[29:15] 9.50 uh in addition to the Washington
[29:18] Administrative
[29:20] Code while this project is in a 100-year
[29:22] flood plane all the project components
[29:24] will be raised above the uh those levels
[29:28] and as part of the construction and
[29:30] approval of this there will be
[29:31] enhancements to the stream buffers and
[29:34] we are prepared to make whatever
[29:35] Investments are required of us in that
[29:38] regard uh next slide
[29:43] please uh
[29:46] so during the uh you know process of
[29:49] entitling this project and working
[29:51] through the FC approval process um one
[29:54] of the things that will happen is uh we
[29:56] will develop as part of the the building
[29:58] permit process and emergency response
[30:01] plan uh that will kind of outline all of
[30:05] the rigorous safety protocols that will
[30:07] apply to the specific battery chemistry
[30:09] and manufacturer that gets selected for
[30:11] this project uh but what we have done
[30:15] all along is engaged with Fire District
[30:17] 8 with the scet County fire marshall uh
[30:19] We've included the scet county
[30:21] department of urgency Emergency
[30:23] Management we've uh brought in fire
[30:25] protection Engineers to make sure that
[30:27] we're having you know the experts that
[30:29] are helping to craft these codes
[30:32] speaking to the first responding
[30:34] agencies um we also want to mention that
[30:38] you know when this project gets
[30:39] commissioned it will have a manufacturer
[30:42] Le safety training uh that includes all
[30:45] of the First Responders and then
[30:47] additionally uh by anually throughout
[30:50] the life of the project there will be a
[30:51] repeated uh version of that training and
[30:55] that's as the code gets updated we're
[30:57] capturing updates to the NFPA and that's
[31:01] uh you know capturing turnover and first
[31:03] responder agencies too so that uh newer
[31:07] folks are are getting the training for
[31:08] those
[31:09] facilities uh next slide
[31:14] please these uh facilities do come with
[31:17] a host of monitoring and security uh
[31:20] features and it's important to know that
[31:22] these will be monitored 247 by several
[31:24] different agencies uh first and foremost
[31:27] the
[31:28] uh the best manufacturer the actual
[31:31] manufacturer of the technology and
[31:34] whoever the owner and operator of the
[31:36] system ends up being uh and then the
[31:39] we'll have a third party uh safety
[31:41] monitor such as Hiller companies or some
[31:44] other uh company such as that and then
[31:47] Additionally the oftaking utility will
[31:49] also be monitoring this 247 so there's
[31:52] at least four separate entities that are
[31:53] going to be monitoring this facility
[31:56] 24/7 during for the entire uh operation
[32:00] lifetime there will be regularly
[32:02] scheduled on-site maintenance uh in
[32:05] addition to it being remotely monitored
[32:07] and we will have you know cameras on
[32:09] site to monitor it remotely for um any
[32:13] uh need there uh next slide
[32:19] please the project is designed to last
[32:22] for between uh 20 and 30 years and there
[32:25] will be ongoing maintenance requirements
[32:28] at the site um but it's not an an
[32:31] everyday thing uh there will be uh
[32:36] augmentation of batteries somewhere
[32:38] along the way where old units get
[32:40] swapped out for newer
[32:42] units um and then as part of the
[32:46] approval with fsec we're required to
[32:47] submit a decommissioning plan for the
[32:50] eventual removal of the project if it's
[32:52] not uh re-energized at at the end of its
[32:56] permit or or uh Project Life Cycle and
[33:00] uh that governs the decommissioning of
[33:03] the project and recycling of the uh any
[33:06] applicable materials on the project like
[33:08] the
[33:09] batteries uh next slide
[33:15] please and here are a couple of um
[33:19] visual representations of the project
[33:21] that are included in our fsec
[33:23] application that I'm sure uh many of you
[33:25] have seen uh the top shows the existing
[33:29] conditions along minkler Road along the
[33:31] north side of the
[33:33] project
[33:35] uh where the overhead um transmission
[33:39] lines are and the bottom shows proposed
[33:44] conditions with uh you know vegetative
[33:47] buffering and uh a block
[33:53] wall next slide please
[34:00] these are a couple more views from the
[34:03] opposite direction on minkler
[34:05] road next slide
[34:11] please so as I mentioned before uh you
[34:14] you don't have to take our word for it
[34:15] that the project will integrate with the
[34:17] local community and uh you'll have FC to
[34:20] fall back on um it's the responsibility
[34:23] of the of an independent state agency to
[34:25] determine whether the project can be
[34:27] built if it's approved for construction
[34:29] the project will then be overseen by the
[34:31] utilities and Transportation Commission
[34:33] and fsec will be responsible for
[34:35] ensuring that it remains in compliance
[34:37] with all of its project conditions of
[34:40] approval next next slide
[34:44] please and finally uh if project does
[34:47] move forward uh it will deliver benefits
[34:49] to the local community in for in forms
[34:51] of jobs uh tax revenue and local energy
[34:55] reliability
[34:57] uh you know this project represents
[35:02] a I was gonna say thank you a
[35:05] substantial investment in the community
[35:06] and will be responsible for uh
[35:09] approximately 75
[35:11] jobs uh next slide
[35:17] please and finally uh I wanted to thank
[35:20] all of you for giving us an opportunity
[35:22] to present um happy to take the
[35:25] council's questions and we'll definitely
[35:28] be listening for comments uh you know in
[35:31] the upcoming weeks and as a reminder
[35:33] these are the ways that people can get
[35:35] us information or questions and uh the
[35:37] project will do its best to
[35:41] respond all right thank you thank you um
[35:44] and I'd also like to I know we we kind
[35:46] of got the introduction earlier but this
[35:48] is vasu pinapati uh vice president of
[35:50] engineering construction and Mike
[35:52] Nicholas from Hiller companies they're
[35:53] also here to answer any technical
[35:56] questions or more from the uh fire
[35:58] safety standpoint all right thank you
[36:01] I'm going to open up questions to the
[36:02] council go ahead councilman Burns thank
[36:05] you madam mayor so would I be correct in
[36:07] assuming a fire would be the worst case
[36:09] scenario at one of these
[36:11] facilities I I think that's relative but
[36:14] that would certainly be bad okay and you
[36:17] said that it doesn't leak but I'm
[36:18] curious uh once there's a fire is there
[36:22] the potential for that to then get into
[36:24] the groundwater at that point if they're
[36:26] spraying it off with fire hose rain you
[36:29] know what is the potential uh ground
[36:31] penetration because we have that uh
[36:33] Creek Hansen Creek right next to it so
[36:35] that is a big concern for me sure um
[36:38] it's a good question it's been asked uh
[36:41] and I would say that the uh you know
[36:45] General consensus with the First
[36:47] Responders now is that water is not used
[36:50] as a method of putting uh of of putting
[36:54] one of the units out U I'll let
[36:58] Mike elaborate
[37:01] any thank you mayor and Council uh the
[37:05] culture within the fire department is
[37:06] changing as a result of the technology
[37:08] that's emerging uh Kern County was the
[37:11] kind of Ground Zero for these projects I
[37:13] was the assistant Fire Marshal there I
[37:15] was in charge of Permitting witness
[37:17] testing and uh overall oversight of the
[37:21] entire project which is now the largest
[37:23] battery energy storage project in the
[37:25] world at 3.2 gwatt hours and I was was
[37:27] mentioning to Chief earlier that that
[37:28] was like trying to swallow an elephant
[37:30] hole I had no basis or understanding of
[37:33] what this technology was much less the
[37:35] impact on the firefighting culture we're
[37:38] used to engaging directly trying to
[37:40] extinguish a fire anytime that there's a
[37:42] hazard we're proactive in taking an
[37:44] approach we look at these fires more
[37:47] from a perspective of isolate and deny
[37:50] entry observe and contain because
[37:53] extinguishment or attempts to actually
[37:54] extinguish the fire can create secondary
[37:58] concerns like you mentioned if we put a
[38:00] lot of water on there you know you have
[38:03] water now that's going to be as a
[38:05] byproduct of that particular incident
[38:07] and it's unnecessary because these fires
[38:09] are really and enclosures are designed
[38:11] to consume themselves completely and the
[38:13] less we engage them directly and
[38:16] interfere with that process uh when we
[38:19] do apply water we elongate the incident
[38:23] and I know a lot of incidents of
[38:24] reference that are happening right now
[38:25] are from OT Mesa down in San Diego we've
[38:28] got uh Moss Landing in montere chandeler
[38:32] Arizona but these were all incidents
[38:35] that took place with indoor
[38:38] installations where the ability and the
[38:40] luxury of disengaging wasn't an option
[38:43] you had secondary exposures which were
[38:45] the building themselves that needed to
[38:48] be addressed so that they didn't become
[38:49] part of the incident in an outdoor
[38:51] installation which is the ideal the
[38:54] enclosure can be managed and monitored
[38:56] it can consume it itself it's going to
[38:58] be out much quicker if we don't apply
[39:00] water or extinguishing agents to delay
[39:02] the inevitable which is the full
[39:03] consumption and basically the
[39:07] uh it's the ideal sort of environment uh
[39:11] in a fire to let it consume itself
[39:14] entirely so that we don't have a longer
[39:18] term you know Incident That's committing
[39:20] resources that's committing secondary
[39:23] resources like water so this is a change
[39:25] in culture for the fire department and
[39:27] one of my jobs is to be traveling the
[39:29] country teaching fire departments and
[39:31] and offering that level of training to
[39:34] help change the mindset so that we're
[39:36] looking at not an incident that's ATA
[39:38] last 10 days and you're committing
[39:40] hundreds of firefighters to the incident
[39:42] because it was a generation of batteries
[39:45] that Tommy mentioned
[39:47] wasn't held to the same standards so we
[39:50] have learned a lot over the years when
[39:52] this first started it was 2019 in my
[39:54] jurisdiction we're now 5 years later
[39:57] half a decade and so what we're seeing
[39:59] is that these Technologies uh the codes
[40:01] that are regulating them have evolved
[40:03] from the lessons learned and so these
[40:06] enclosures are now the biggest
[40:08] consideration in NFP 855 which I just
[40:11] sat in the committee meeting in Atlanta
[40:12] last week is that these enclosures are
[40:15] designed to not propagate between one
[40:17] another so you're not going to show up
[40:19] to an entire battery storage yard with a
[40:21] fire you're going to be facing at worst
[40:24] case a single enclosure that's on fire
[40:27] and the best thing that can happen in
[40:28] that instance is to isolate deny entry
[40:31] observe and contain the
[40:34] incident May if I might follow up on
[40:37] that um so you said it would totally
[40:39] consume itself so what's left I mean it
[40:42] rains a lot here what's left is there
[40:45] going to be something that's going to
[40:46] end up in that uh that Waterway uh you
[40:50] know is it going to be a metal container
[40:52] that's left is it going to be uh a
[40:54] different chemical compound what's going
[40:56] to be left behind after for that process
[40:58] of the fire and then uh the other
[41:02] followup I had was uh if you're going to
[41:04] let that burn the chemicals that are
[41:08] released from it um how toxic is that
[41:11] what kind of a range uh is that going to
[41:13] travel as far as safety or we going to
[41:15] have to evacuate a certain area right
[41:18] and so we've seen in the incidents of
[41:20] reference that when the fire is allowed
[41:22] to actually burn at its normal rate the
[41:24] toxics are consumed in the fire and the
[41:26] rate horizontal spread is minimal by
[41:29] comparison the the rate of travel of the
[41:31] most
[41:33] uh how shall I say so carbon monoxide
[41:36] travels horizontally the most and that
[41:38] still is not very far from the enclosure
[41:41] so when we show up as First Responders
[41:42] we're using our for gas meters and
[41:44] that's going to be what establishes the
[41:45] edge of that exclusion zone for us and
[41:49] that isn't traveling more than you
[41:53] know it's not traveling far enough away
[41:56] to impact the community
[41:58] so when we're looking at
[42:01] this yeah it's kind of a vague answer I
[42:04] I get that it changes
[42:07] but
[42:11] what one of the
[42:14] so uh thank you I need all of you to not
[42:18] speak until public Comon if that's when
[42:20] you want to speak um right now these are
[42:23] our guests to our city your guests our
[42:26] guests so I am asking that we show
[42:30] respect one of the things I would just
[42:33] say to your question too is those are
[42:36] all questions that get answered when the
[42:39] emergency response plans get developed
[42:41] for these projects as kind of the next
[42:44] step in their uh you know as they get
[42:47] closer to
[42:50] construction go ahead yeah I'll just add
[42:53] that
[42:55] uh prior to issuing the building permits
[42:58] for construction we will provide uh uh
[43:02] emergency response plan hazardous
[43:04] mitigation analysis which is what I
[43:06] think you're referring to and also a
[43:08] plume analysis we will demonstrate that
[43:11] in the event of a thermal runaway SL
[43:14] battery fire you know how the toxic
[43:17] gases and how far they travel what are
[43:19] those toxic gases levels we will conduct
[43:22] a plume analysis in the neighborhood of
[43:25] the facility and provide it as as part
[43:27] of the uh emergency response plan prior
[43:30] to issuing the building construction so
[43:32] the fire department will have an
[43:34] opportunity to review those documents
[43:36] before issuing the building
[43:40] permits go ahead counc Henderson all
[43:42] right thank you um just to follow up on
[43:46] uh what Joe brought up under your
[43:48] proposed fire protection plan section 5A
[43:52] subsection 3 adequate water supply is
[43:54] critical to the fire protection system
[43:58] so there's a fire protection system that
[44:00] puts out water in in your guys's
[44:02] proposed plan so um how much water uh it
[44:09] it goes on to State volume duration
[44:11] pressure and flow so how much water is
[44:13] that and has it this even been confirmed
[44:16] with our local public utility district
[44:18] that we can that we can provide
[44:22] that as part of our initial Outreach
[44:25] with scet County they identified that
[44:28] the
[44:30] um the water needs weren't going to be
[44:32] able to be met by the city water line
[44:34] that runs along minkler road so the
[44:36] project was asked to upgrade the water
[44:38] line from uh you know a little way back
[44:42] up to the the project it's approximately
[44:45] 2600 feet of water line and then after
[44:48] the construction of the project it would
[44:50] be dedicated over to the Public
[44:52] Utilities
[44:53] District okay um thank you and um could
[44:58] you could you address the part about the
[45:00] the adequate water supply is critical to
[45:03] fire protection system because we just
[45:05] listened to you tell us that you just
[45:07] let these things burn out but there's a
[45:09] fire protection system I so when we're
[45:11] looking at fir water especially in
[45:13] current County one of the things that
[45:14] we're looking at is not for
[45:16] extinguishment and suppression but for
[45:18] exposure protection so you can cool
[45:20] ajacent enclosures if the heat is
[45:23] beginning to negatively impact the
[45:24] adjacent enclosure so it is for
[45:28] protection and not for
[45:30] extinguishment so mad
[45:32] Maya so is this considered a combustible
[45:36] metal the lithium in there how hot is
[45:40] the rate of
[45:41] burn if it does did catch
[45:44] fire depending on the depending on the
[45:46] hazard mitigation analysis the
[45:47] technology that's used has different
[45:49] compositions that's actually going to be
[45:52] a determining Factor on the heat flux
[45:54] which is going to be what heat is put on
[45:57] off by an incident at worst case so it
[45:59] isn't necessarily the metal in the
[46:02] battery because at the cell level on a
[46:04] UL 9548 test which is a requirement for
[46:07] underwriter laboratory there aren't
[46:09] toxics that are put out and this goes
[46:11] back to the other councilman's question
[46:13] about the toxic composition what we're
[46:15] seeing out of studies out of New York
[46:16] from other incidents and from uh other
[46:19] testing Labs is that the composition of
[46:21] the smoke is very similar to what you're
[46:23] seeing in house fires because of the
[46:26] presence of upholstery carpets Foams and
[46:30] Plastics so when you start looking at
[46:32] some of the byproducts of combustion
[46:33] that are coming off in a battery fire
[46:36] it's not the cell itself it's also the
[46:38] enclosure the the module the Plastics
[46:41] around the module so we're seeing
[46:43] similar uh toxic compositions in regular
[46:47] combustible house fires I'm thinking
[46:48] more of the the heat generated so if you
[46:51] have a combustible metal then let's say
[46:53] titanium right you don't want to pour
[46:55] fire on it or water on it because the
[46:57] water will go back to its base chemicals
[46:59] of hydrogen and oxygen and is that what
[47:02] we're looking at with this lithan if
[47:05] they were to catch fire would they reach
[47:06] 3,300 Dees would they reach 3500 Dees
[47:09] where water would then be a concern of
[47:11] explosion you have put on to it no this
[47:14] is not going to be the same thing as
[47:16] your magnesium fires where the water
[47:18] actually explodes like you're mentioning
[47:21] so this is a different chemical
[47:23] composition and the and the percent of
[47:25] lithium in these batteries is very
[47:28] minimal by
[47:29] comparison so not putting water on the
[47:32] fire to douse it out and just letting it
[47:34] burn through it's going to burn out even
[47:35] with water on it it's just going to
[47:37] continue to burn the water is only going
[47:38] to just slow the process it slows it
[47:41] down and it cools it to where some of
[47:42] the toxics are not burnt off
[47:46] completely I have a question one more
[47:49] follow if that's right so psse uh they
[47:52] did come here uh in April and earlier in
[47:54] the year as well and they insisted that
[47:56] we had plenty of energy for our grid we
[47:58] were showing them phone text that we
[48:00] were getting that that they were asking
[48:02] us to conserve our heat you know because
[48:05] wintertime um but then we turned around
[48:07] and got rid of natural gas so is this
[48:10] like a response to the supposed to
[48:14] supplement the natural gas is that what
[48:15] the idea of putting these battery plants
[48:17] around and and I know you guys probably
[48:19] don't get in the politics of the natural
[48:21] gas band but um to to supplement the
[48:24] energy we're losing from our homes with
[48:26] natural gas and relying more on
[48:30] electricity these projects like these
[48:33] are a required uh part of the energy
[48:36] transition to intermittent resources
[48:38] like wind and solar and
[48:41] hydro
[48:44] okay I had a question councilman diamond
[48:48] oh councilman go ahead yes uh I had
[48:51] two questions the first was um I drove
[48:55] around that facility recently um and
[48:59] there are quite a number of homes near
[49:01] it and if you go do West there's the
[49:05] city of cedral wooy and in the C I've
[49:09] read about some of these fires and some
[49:11] of across the country and some of them
[49:14] involve um evacuation especially if
[49:17] you're just going to let the fires burn
[49:20] um that's my first question the second
[49:22] is that the proximity of H Hansen Creek
[49:27] uh you know that's a salmon stream or
[49:29] it's it's involved with salmon and
[49:32] restoration uh if you're letting the
[49:34] fire just burn won't those uh fumes also
[49:38] affect the qu water quality and of that
[49:41] nearby stream thank you thank you
[49:47] Paul I'll uh can you restate the first
[49:51] question again well the first question
[49:54] he was talking talking about the concern
[49:55] of housing can the the first thing
[49:58] talked about the need for possible
[50:01] evacuation of all the houses near there
[50:04] and I I can ask a third question sorry
[50:06] you shouldn't have asked me this to
[50:08] restate it evacuation around there and
[50:11] um how quickly that would happen because
[50:14] as I read this you're not going to have
[50:17] Personnel on site it's remote monitoring
[50:20] well that's great but how quickly do you
[50:23] respond and if you need to do evacuation
[50:26] how quickly could do that the second
[50:28] part had to do with the water quality of
[50:31] Hansen Creek if there was an
[50:34] incident so I'll let uh Mike and Basu
[50:39] answer the the first question other than
[50:42] just to reiterate that again that would
[50:44] be those would be details that we would
[50:47] uh include as part of our emergency
[50:50] response plan uh and
[50:53] generally there's uh a move towards
[50:56] shelter in places but again that depends
[50:59] on the specific technology so once that
[51:03] decision has been made whatever the the
[51:05] brand more or less of batteries it's
[51:07] going to be then several of those uh
[51:11] kind of cascading uh questions after
[51:13] that will fall into place we'll
[51:15] understand what we can include in the
[51:17] Hazardous Materials analysis we'll
[51:19] understand specifically what we can put
[51:20] in the emergency response plan and I
[51:23] don't know Mike anything you want to add
[51:25] sure so a lot of what we're seen with
[51:26] the fire department trainings is a
[51:28] default by fire departments that didn't
[51:30] have a specific training that are
[51:32] defaulting to the Emergency Response
[51:33] Guide which is a national reference for
[51:37] evacuation shelter in place based on
[51:39] Hazard unfortunately that natur or that
[51:41] National Emergency Response Guide does
[51:43] not have lithium batteries as a specific
[51:46] hazard of reference and so a lot of
[51:48] jurisdictions are defaulting to this
[51:50] shelter in place or an evacuation over a
[51:53] distance that they come up with the
[51:55] closest approximate Hazard and what
[51:57] we're trying to inform and educate the
[52:00] fire industry as a whole is that these
[52:03] are different than what we see listed in
[52:05] the National Emergency Response guides
[52:08] and there is a big push within NFP 855
[52:11] right now a whole toxic work group that
[52:12] I'm involved with that are looking at
[52:14] incidents of reference that did soil
[52:16] samples air sample and water samples
[52:18] post incident both in New York in uh
[52:22] Indiana and in various places where some
[52:24] of these incidents of reference have
[52:26] taken place which are showing no toxics
[52:29] in the water that was run off and none
[52:32] in the soil post incident versus
[52:34] pre-incident and we're starting to see
[52:36] that these really require a special
[52:39] identification with the Emergency
[52:40] Response Guide that has its own category
[52:42] for reference in discussion with Chief
[52:44] Joel Mendoza from uh North County where
[52:47] Moss Landing took place where an
[52:48] evacuation happened and a shelter in
[52:50] place happened and a freeway closed he
[52:53] admitted was because of visibility
[52:55] visibility not from smoke specifically
[52:57] but also from fog so when you have some
[53:00] of these jurisdictions of reference that
[53:02] had these early incidents that other
[53:04] fire departments are referencing there's
[53:06] a misconception about the need for
[53:07] shelter in place and for evacuations
[53:09] based on the hazard that's specific and
[53:13] again these were very early excuse me
[53:16] generation Technologies which have
[53:18] changed dramatically over the last half
[53:20] a decade because of these incidents of
[53:21] reference and Lessons Learned so you're
[53:23] going to see these changes reflected in
[53:25] the National Emergency Response guide
[53:27] and in NFP 855 for guidance and
[53:29] Direction on First
[53:32] Response okay and what about the fact
[53:34] that it is uh uh remotely controlled and
[53:38] how how would that affect the response
[53:40] to an
[53:42] emergency so these systems are monitored
[53:45] offsite by an NFPA 72 compliant UL
[53:48] listed Central Station the Central
[53:50] Station then is in communication with
[53:51] the emergency dispatch so if you get an
[53:54] alarm smoke detector gas detector heat
[53:57] detector that initiates the response
[53:59] from the fire department to come out so
[54:02] there should be no delay in the
[54:05] response Council uh thank you and then
[54:09] is anybody gonna talk about Hansen Creek
[54:11] I think there's a lot of yeah I have I
[54:13] have lots of questions but sorry I was
[54:15] going to just spin off that real quickly
[54:17] District 8 relies uh heavily on
[54:19] volunteers and Cedar Wily holds the
[54:22] contract to partner with District 8 in
[54:24] emergency response has discussion been
[54:27] had with the city of Cedar woly and how
[54:29] they're going how they fire intends to
[54:32] respond to all of this and if there is
[54:34] an emergency who is funding this and how
[54:37] is Cedar woly then going to fund the
[54:39] backfill that's needed to supply and
[54:40] take care of our own citizens in our
[54:43] city so again all of those details will
[54:47] be kind of finalized in our emergency
[54:49] response plan but what
[54:55] I but what I can say is that uh
[55:00] the First Responders would include scet
[55:03] County and Fire District 8 who both of
[55:06] whom we've met with and had uh long
[55:09] ongoing conversations with and and uh so
[55:13] we in tend to include their input into
[55:16] the development of that plan and when it
[55:18] finally you know gets approved that it
[55:20] will have included their
[55:23] input so all none so so the project
[55:27] itself can be pushed through and then
[55:29] all of that becomes an afterthought so
[55:31] to speak it's it's put together after
[55:34] the project is approved and the design
[55:36] goes into place is that correct in my
[55:38] understanding no the well not not that
[55:42] it's incorrect it's just that we're in
[55:43] the kind of uh entitlement phase of the
[55:47] project and once we get into the um you
[55:51] know construction permit or ministerial
[55:53] permit design phase that's when you know
[55:56] things like the battery chemistry
[55:58] selection get made and that's when the
[56:00] final plant design gets uh you know
[56:03] designed and and again the emergency
[56:07] response plan details come available
[56:09] with uh you know the technology
[56:11] selection okay so nothing on this
[56:13] project has moved forward in regards to
[56:15] the property or anything else at this
[56:17] point no okay I mean other than our you
[56:20] know environmental uh studies and and
[56:23] surveys and and those sorts of things
[56:25] but no
[56:27] no construction or anything like that
[56:30] well we're a long way from from that but
[56:32] that's planned for as you know early as
[56:36] 2027 councilman
[56:40] Henderson so coming your mic your mic oh
[56:43] whoops so coming off of the um off of
[56:47] the fire discussion I'd like to change
[56:48] the topic a little bit and um go on to
[56:52] what uh your actual business model is
[56:54] how will you get a return
[56:56] on investment for your project how will
[56:59] the rate payers be
[57:01] impacted and who will you be selling
[57:03] energy
[57:05] to so um I'm G to unfortunately
[57:09] disappoint you in the response here
[57:11] because the uh exact commercial nature
[57:15] of the project is yet to be determined
[57:17] so we're not sure yet how the um
[57:22] contract is going to govern the buying
[57:24] and selling of power from it but
[57:26] eventually it will
[57:27] become uh you know but but what I can
[57:32] say is that you you know this is a local
[57:34] reliability energy infrastructure need
[57:37] and project and it will be fulfilling
[57:40] the local energy needs first we won't
[57:43] necessarily be able to say whether or
[57:44] not it'll ever be sold in another state
[57:48] but what we can say is that when there's
[57:50] a need it'll serve the local need
[57:53] first do you can you um so the last the
[57:57] last part about selling we'll just we'll
[57:59] just scratch that um but how how in your
[58:02] guys's opinion will the um how will you
[58:05] get a return on investment and how will
[58:07] the rate payers be impacted by
[58:10] that like any other infrastructure
[58:12] project this you know project has a you
[58:16] know uh an upfront investment that's uh
[58:19] paid off over time through its Revenue
[58:22] contract that's with whomever the
[58:26] off-taker is going to end up being and
[58:29] that's we don't know that
[58:32] yet okay yeah councilwoman KY thank you
[58:39] um given the
[58:41] please it's a
[58:43] presentation we need to listen thank
[58:47] you given the strong opposition from our
[58:50] community regarding the battery storage
[58:52] facility in seedar Wy does our Town's
[58:55] position influence
[58:57] your decision to proceed with the
[58:58] project additionally why would a
[59:01] business not local to seedar wooly join
[59:03] the Chamber of Commerce if there are no
[59:05] plans to maintain a long-term presence
[59:07] here how do you justify this action in
[59:10] light of the community's clear
[59:15] concerns we understand that there are a
[59:18] lot of concerns and part of the main
[59:21] reason that we're here is uh a part of
[59:25] the process of address ing those
[59:27] concerns um this project is critically
[59:30] needed and would not be in consideration
[59:33] if it weren't so uh it does still
[59:35] require an exhaustive approval process
[59:39] and we take all of the feedback in into
[59:42] consideration along the way
[59:45] um tell I would add to that um your your
[59:49] question about the Chamber of Commerce
[59:50] that this project does plan to be here
[59:53] for 20 years um the the the life of the
[59:57] project um is that long so being a part
[1:00:00] of the chamber is really the the we are
[1:00:03] continually trying to invest in the
[1:00:04] community um that's what we believe the
[1:00:06] project to do as well as um being able
[1:00:10] to to be a a business um representative
[1:00:14] amongst the other chamber members so
[1:00:16] what I hear from the county from the
[1:00:20] citizens is that they don't want you
[1:00:22] here yet you've joined a chamber to make
[1:00:26] that
[1:00:33] decision so it so if we didn't want you
[1:00:36] here you're saying that you you're
[1:00:38] already showing that you plan on being
[1:00:40] here so is this all for nothing no it
[1:00:43] was our effort to to show that we wanted
[1:00:45] to be in the community obviously this
[1:00:48] again we've we're in the early stages of
[1:00:50] this project um there is so much more to
[1:00:54] go through through the permitting
[1:00:55] process but we wanted that that's our
[1:00:58] attempt to to show that we are we are
[1:01:01] committed to being here for the period
[1:01:02] of time that that we have we've stated
[1:01:05] the project to be be part of the
[1:01:07] community so it's it's not saying we're
[1:01:10] going to be here regardless of of what
[1:01:12] the community
[1:01:14] wants okay councilman lavaka thank you
[1:01:17] um I'm curious about the business model
[1:01:20] as well because if you don't know who
[1:01:22] you're selling it to or what the the
[1:01:25] cost of that was would be how can you
[1:01:27] Endeavor into a business venture and
[1:01:29] then is there government subsidizing
[1:01:31] that's going into the initial
[1:01:34] investment uh I'll take the second part
[1:01:38] first um the project would be uh
[1:01:43] eligible for um various tax uh benefits
[1:01:48] as part of the inflation reduction
[1:01:51] act um and then sorry the the first part
[1:01:55] was the how if you don't know what your
[1:01:57] return is going to be how do you how do
[1:02:00] you know if your investment is even
[1:02:01] going to pay off is it because it's
[1:02:04] government funded or subsidized that's
[1:02:07] uh definitely above my pay grade but uh
[1:02:10] the I guess the short answer would be
[1:02:13] that if it you know the every project
[1:02:17] has
[1:02:17] to survive on its own merits and this
[1:02:21] one's no different um so
[1:02:24] we we would
[1:02:26] leave it there okay um I I understand a
[1:02:31] lot of people actually vote for this the
[1:02:33] climate act in Olympia and so they they
[1:02:37] uh you know this is a response to that
[1:02:40] and this is what you guys are saying
[1:02:41] that these are going up around the state
[1:02:43] and uh you know there is a lot of people
[1:02:45] that are upset by that because it goes
[1:02:47] right in their backyard but then they
[1:02:49] themselves continue to vote for that so
[1:02:52] it's ironic but um it is one of those
[1:02:55] deals that this is the response it seems
[1:02:57] to those decisions made and and how they
[1:03:00] how they vote right thanks councilman
[1:03:05] ly thank
[1:03:07] you I listened to the meeting you had
[1:03:11] over at the community center and I've
[1:03:12] listened here and I'm not a very smart
[1:03:16] guy and everybody's concerned
[1:03:19] about Hansen Creek the river
[1:03:23] population and I'm not hearing any that
[1:03:26] sues any of those problems and like I
[1:03:29] say I'm not real smart but is there what
[1:03:31] am I
[1:03:32] missing you know can can you speak to a
[1:03:35] different way to me so I can
[1:03:38] understand there's there's got to be
[1:03:40] something I'm
[1:03:42] missing I I don't think that you are the
[1:03:44] the project still has to undergo its uh
[1:03:47] environmental review process through FC
[1:03:51] and uh if there's not an impact that
[1:03:54] can't be mitigated then the project
[1:03:56] won't proceed
[1:03:57] forward well probably one of the things
[1:04:01] I probably am missing is my distrust for
[1:04:03] the the way that the government's doing
[1:04:05] their thing is basically bypassing
[1:04:08] everybody but that's
[1:04:12] [Applause]
[1:04:17] probably but I do appreciate you being
[1:04:19] here it's just it I there's I need some
[1:04:23] more in there
[1:04:26] I actually have to concur with
[1:04:27] councilman ly in that we value our
[1:04:29] Farmland here we value the the the water
[1:04:32] that we have here it's our livelihood it
[1:04:34] is our livelihood and we respect it and
[1:04:37] we take care of it so I guess my
[1:04:39] question would be to you you're talking
[1:04:42] about these plans that you have in place
[1:04:44] for safety for um mitigation for um you
[1:04:49] know whatever evacuation if that were to
[1:04:50] take but I my question is are there any
[1:04:53] assurances because I'm not hearing any
[1:04:55] Assurance is actually what I'm what I'm
[1:04:58] I'm G getting more questions there's
[1:05:00] more questions that I I find myself
[1:05:02] asking so um you know I I understand the
[1:05:07] project is to develop power but isn't it
[1:05:10] only for 4 hours and 40,000 homes
[1:05:12] approximately it's not like if power
[1:05:14] goes out that's all it would do
[1:05:17] correct not not technically um we
[1:05:21] provide that uh kind of as a way to
[1:05:24] contextualize how much energy it's
[1:05:26] storing um but realistically you could
[1:05:30] think of it as you know 200,000 homes
[1:05:33] for for four hours or 100,000 homes for
[1:05:37] eight hours or you know just it kind of
[1:05:40] depends on what the need is how it gets
[1:05:42] dispatched and where where would it be
[1:05:44] dispatched would it be here in the scaga
[1:05:46] valley or it would be elsewhere it's it
[1:05:48] like I said earlier it's going to go to
[1:05:50] its closest need first uh so the local
[1:05:54] need uh we be
[1:05:57] I serviced first um to answer your
[1:06:00] question okay I'm sorry I didn't I
[1:06:03] missed the first
[1:06:05] part well I I just want to reiterate
[1:06:09] that this is our farmland and our water
[1:06:12] is precious to us as it is everywhere
[1:06:15] else it's our
[1:06:16] livelihood um and it's kind of
[1:06:20] perplexing that you're going to run the
[1:06:22] power underneath Hansen Creek is what I
[1:06:24] was told is how you're actually going to
[1:06:25] do that is run it underneath Hansen
[1:06:27] Creek MH and what if there is um a
[1:06:32] breakdown in the um means by which
[1:06:37] you're using to transport that
[1:06:39] power it it will be boarded underneath
[1:06:43] and it'll be we don't have a final depth
[1:06:45] but our engineering team has looked at
[1:06:46] it and said that it'll be at a minimum
[1:06:48] 10 to 15 feet below the scour depth of
[1:06:51] the uh bottom of Hanson Creek and could
[1:06:55] is there a possibility that there could
[1:06:57] be gases or toxins that could be
[1:06:59] released and then seep up into that
[1:07:00] Creek no this is just for the the actual
[1:07:04] conductor themselves that's the only
[1:07:07] element that's underneath the
[1:07:10] creek okay all right mam mayor if I yeah
[1:07:14] go ahead counc Henderson um I got kind
[1:07:17] of a four-part question here so bear
[1:07:20] with me we'll um uh what what other
[1:07:24] sites were investigated
[1:07:26] um so you guys are tanasa correct you
[1:07:28] guys are not Goldfinch Energy Services
[1:07:31] Goldfinch Energy Services are they the
[1:07:33] investor and you are the
[1:07:36] contractor the project was initially
[1:07:38] developed by originated and developed by
[1:07:42] tanasa we the still the uh retained as
[1:07:46] the developer uh if the project does end
[1:07:49] up moving forward the you know exact
[1:07:51] ownership model will be yet to be
[1:07:54] determined but what go Finch was was the
[1:07:57] you know
[1:07:58] initial uh project company that tanasa
[1:08:02] formed to develop the the project okay
[1:08:05] and um so what other what other sites
[1:08:08] did you investigate before settling on
[1:08:10] this location and what factors what were
[1:08:14] the factors that made the determination
[1:08:16] to put it on um a natural resource land
[1:08:20] so uh we looked at several factors
[1:08:23] there's uh I'd say first and foremost
[1:08:26] there's proximity to the substation uh
[1:08:29] being the the
[1:08:30] primary you know variable that we want
[1:08:33] to constrain that impact the most the
[1:08:37] transmission line uh and then you're
[1:08:39] looking at you know things like parcel
[1:08:42] size um and then you're looking at you
[1:08:45] know what are the environmental
[1:08:46] considerations of a particular parcel so
[1:08:49] wet lenss uh you know any sort of
[1:08:53] excluded areas um and we actually looked
[1:08:56] at quite a large number of parcels uh
[1:09:00] around that
[1:09:01] substation um I don't have an exact
[1:09:03] number for you but it was it was a lot
[1:09:07] um and at the end of the day you know
[1:09:09] there's a lot of constraints that start
[1:09:10] Xing pieces out like you have to exclude
[1:09:12] an area because it has an easement on it
[1:09:15] or uh you so there's a lot of
[1:09:17] considerations that go into kind of what
[1:09:20] boils down to the final parcel selection
[1:09:23] and then at the end of it you know
[1:09:24] you've got a find a willing partner in a
[1:09:27] landowner as well so we we did look kind
[1:09:30] of at a lot but I would say that egg NRL
[1:09:34] is an overwhelming zoning
[1:09:36] designation uh in the vicinity of that
[1:09:39] substation and major utility uses are a
[1:09:42] permitted use with a special use permit
[1:09:45] okay um I'd like to talk a little bit
[1:09:47] about that too for um Wetland mitigation
[1:09:50] uh this site on your guys's initial
[1:09:53] report states that it is within the
[1:09:56] 100-year flood plane uh what is your
[1:09:58] mitigation plan for the wetlands and the
[1:10:00] flood planes on site and also to note
[1:10:03] our county code prohibits building
[1:10:05] critical facilities within special flood
[1:10:07] Hazard areas unless there are no feas
[1:10:11] feasible Alternatives available so how
[1:10:13] do we determine that we have no feasible
[1:10:17] Alternatives available to build a
[1:10:18] battery storage site so the uh all of
[1:10:22] the project elements will be elevated
[1:10:24] out of the flood plane so so we'll just
[1:10:25] take that off from the top that either
[1:10:28] through uh Earth elevation or uh
[1:10:32] installed on peers um or a combination
[1:10:36] of the two uh that will obviously you
[1:10:40] know impact Wetlands as well and we're
[1:10:43] uh We've submitted a mitigation plan to
[1:10:45] the state uh for their concurrence and
[1:10:48] that would include uh offsetting from a
[1:10:51] local mitigation Bank
[1:10:56] Council lavaka um I'm still I'm trying
[1:10:59] to wrap my head around um we've got the
[1:11:02] battery station and it's going to
[1:11:04] survive it's going to supply power to
[1:11:07] scet County so for roughly 16 hours if
[1:11:10] it was the immediate need um so 16 hours
[1:11:14] we don't have that many blackouts for
[1:11:16] one and then uh a regular home base so I
[1:11:19] would imagine it would go to the
[1:11:20] hospitals first but if it goes to the
[1:11:22] homes and stuff like that I don't know
[1:11:24] that anybody's at such an need where
[1:11:25] they need power for for that immediate
[1:11:28] that it would justify the high cost of
[1:11:30] this program which seems to be pretty
[1:11:31] high and pretty extensive for just 16
[1:11:34] hours if it was to just go here if it's
[1:11:37] 4 hours for 200,000 homes that's that's
[1:11:40] really nothing uh I mean is that during
[1:11:42] Peak usage everybody's got their
[1:11:44] microwaves and their washers going or is
[1:11:46] it just your average average day in the
[1:11:48] home right and we have we have sources
[1:11:52] we have natural gas and we have energy
[1:11:55] um there is a growing need because we're
[1:11:57] killing off our energy supplies but if
[1:11:59] that does turn around does it make sense
[1:12:02] to do that or will the will it be
[1:12:03] abandoned I guess I'm sure there would
[1:12:06] be a
[1:12:07] decommissioning requirement in that but
[1:12:09] what if it is
[1:12:10] abandoned uh so FC would be responsible
[1:12:14] for you know we we do have to submit and
[1:12:17] have submitted a decommissioning plan
[1:12:19] with FC it'll get finalized uh again
[1:12:23] before we get our site certificate and
[1:12:26] as part of that decommissioning plan we
[1:12:29] pay uh fsec on an annual basis and they
[1:12:32] monitor the the project and they monitor
[1:12:35] our compliance with our project
[1:12:37] conditions but who would pay the money
[1:12:39] for four hours of service for 200,000
[1:12:42] homes or if you do 16 just scet County
[1:12:45] the entire County you got maybe 16 hours
[1:12:48] of usage once and then you got to
[1:12:50] recharge everything again which means we
[1:12:52] need that grid back going by that time
[1:12:54] if the power's out for 16 hours and it's
[1:12:56] out for 24 hours or 48 hours if it's
[1:12:59] that kind of a crisis um where does the
[1:13:02] financial stability come in or incentive
[1:13:04] for the company to even do
[1:13:07] it I would uh you know have to say that
[1:13:11] again the individual project economics
[1:13:13] are confidential but every project has
[1:13:15] to be able to survive uh you know if we
[1:13:20] didn't believe in the project viability
[1:13:23] we wouldn't be bringing it forward
[1:13:26] I just don't want to see where all the
[1:13:28] sudden we're setting up infrastructure
[1:13:30] and then we get rid of our Natural
[1:13:32] Energy uh ability because the way the
[1:13:35] state votes um and so we lose that and
[1:13:38] then the prices go skyrocketing for
[1:13:41] people to be able to power their homes
[1:13:42] at enormous rates and there's
[1:13:44] infrastructure set in place that would
[1:13:46] be the investment opportunity I could
[1:13:47] see but not just like we wouldn't need
[1:13:50] that right now we haven't had a blackout
[1:13:52] like that in scaga County where we've
[1:13:53] ever needed that so unless there's
[1:13:56] something in the future that we don't
[1:13:58] know about just
[1:14:01] seems I would have to agree with them in
[1:14:03] fact uh PSC sat here and gave us two
[1:14:05] presentations over this last year and we
[1:14:07] asked about energy usage and how the
[1:14:10] grid was impacting especially when we're
[1:14:11] talking about the state coming down to
[1:14:14] the city level and telling us that we
[1:14:15] need to start building more homes more
[1:14:17] homes more homes higher density higher
[1:14:19] density and they 10 I'm asking about
[1:14:22] this the grid and whether we can
[1:14:23] actually accept that
[1:14:25] energy usage in order to make that a
[1:14:27] viable reality for the city of sudra
[1:14:29] wooly and in all of those conversations
[1:14:32] we have been told that our energy is
[1:14:35] completely fine we have no issue and
[1:14:37] that we should have proper energy in
[1:14:39] order to build those homes and this
[1:14:41] seems to me as if this project has been
[1:14:43] going on and completely contradicts
[1:14:46] exactly what we've been told by
[1:14:48] psse at the local
[1:14:50] level I yeah
[1:14:54] [Applause]
[1:14:57] councilman councilman cooch do you have
[1:14:59] other
[1:15:04] questions yes I do um you you say this
[1:15:09] uh
[1:15:11] sorry you say this technology is uh
[1:15:15] pretty new um but from what I've been
[1:15:19] reading uh the there's a we're on the
[1:15:22] verge of a um storage Revolution
[1:15:26] shifting from lithium uh battery storage
[1:15:31] that has fire issues to more advanced
[1:15:34] solid state in fact that's where the EV
[1:15:38] industry is going Volkswagen
[1:15:41] Toyota and would you then have to shift
[1:15:44] your technology I mean how long is this
[1:15:47] technology going to even last that's my
[1:15:52] question yeah
[1:15:55] uh you're right uh there are some
[1:15:57] Advanced uh you know solid state battery
[1:16:01] technologies uh in research however I
[1:16:05] would say they are probably a decade
[1:16:07] away for uh you know full scale
[1:16:10] commercialization uh so lithium ion
[1:16:13] battery technology which is uh
[1:16:15] commercial and bankable we would expect
[1:16:18] this to continue to be there for at
[1:16:20] least in the next 15 to 20 years uh as
[1:16:24] far as is uh you know changing the kind
[1:16:29] of a technology what we have installed I
[1:16:31] think we'll continue to see some uh
[1:16:34] enhancements within the lithiumion
[1:16:36] Battery Technology that will be
[1:16:38] incorporated into this uh project as
[1:16:41] part of the operational cycle uh but
[1:16:45] right now lithium ion battery technology
[1:16:47] is the commercial proven and the other
[1:16:50] technology that you're are referring to
[1:16:52] probably a you know decade away before
[1:16:54] being Bank of and
[1:16:56] Commercial all right thank you okay
[1:17:00] councilman Burns honestly this is more
[1:17:02] of a comment than a question um from the
[1:17:06] emails I've gotten and the conversations
[1:17:08] I've had with constituents what I came
[1:17:11] here expecting or wanting to hear
[1:17:13] tonight was about the the safety and how
[1:17:17] exactly everything worked with one of
[1:17:19] these units when it came to if there was
[1:17:22] combustion if there's possibility of the
[1:17:23] contamination in the creek
[1:17:25] and your answer was essentially well
[1:17:27] we'll figure it out when we get
[1:17:29] there show up with a battery and just
[1:17:32] say you know hey the last three projects
[1:17:34] we use this brand battery and this is
[1:17:36] what happened this is what happens if it
[1:17:38] burns this is what happens if there's a
[1:17:40] possibility for rain runoff or
[1:17:42] contamination if it doesn't burn at the
[1:17:44] hottest temperature that will burn off
[1:17:45] all of those chemicals this is the
[1:17:47] result this is how far um the chemicals
[1:17:50] have been found on the ground after it
[1:17:51] was on fire that's what I was expecting
[1:17:54] we were going to hear from you tonight
[1:17:56] so I feel like I had almost none of my
[1:18:00] questions answered which did not make me
[1:18:03] feel comfortable with this at all it
[1:18:05] made me want to push back even more on
[1:18:07] this project so I feel like we
[1:18:10] [Applause]
[1:18:13] didn't as a as representatives of the
[1:18:16] company I expect that your goal is to
[1:18:18] come here and convince us that we should
[1:18:20] be okay with this and convince them that
[1:18:21] it's safe but I don't feel like you
[1:18:24] really Achi that goal at all and and so
[1:18:27] I you might want to change the way that
[1:18:28] you're considering this because I'm not
[1:18:31] walking away with the solid knowledge of
[1:18:34] your safety protocols at other
[1:18:35] facilities maybe yeah if I may there is
[1:18:39] one uh I think we have been saying that
[1:18:42] in the case of a thermal runaway or
[1:18:45] battery fire because of the change in
[1:18:47] the CES because of the change in the
[1:18:49] technology these fires will be limited
[1:18:52] to One battery enclosure only
[1:18:55] um there's no such a facility fire and
[1:18:59] all the fires that happened in the last
[1:19:01] 3 4 years Mass landing and other places
[1:19:05] actually validated the thesis that we
[1:19:08] are telling which is there is no
[1:19:10] facility in The Last 5 Years the whole
[1:19:13] facility has gone on fire and design
[1:19:17] worked as you know as per the code it
[1:19:20] just contained to Only One battery
[1:19:22] enclosure only so that's a validation of
[1:19:25] you know kind of assurance that we are
[1:19:27] telling that in the case of a thermal
[1:19:29] Runway it does not spread to the
[1:19:31] adjoining
[1:19:33] enclosur but you're assuring me that
[1:19:35] only one battery catches on fire but I
[1:19:37] want to know what if it's raining at
[1:19:39] that point if that battery burns up
[1:19:41] entirely What's Left Behind for is there
[1:19:44] Ash that's going to get run off into the
[1:19:47] Waterway if it's not burned up entirely
[1:19:49] because we have a torrential downpour
[1:19:51] and it slows down the fire it doesn't
[1:19:52] reach that critical temperature that
[1:19:54] actually allows it to burn off the
[1:19:55] chemicals that are there what happens
[1:19:57] then if it's a windy day and it's not
[1:20:00] raining where does that Ash go what's in
[1:20:02] the ash th those are the questions I'm
[1:20:05] I'm curious about yeah as Mike mentioned
[1:20:07] uh you know some of the testing that we
[1:20:10] have seen after the reference incidents
[1:20:12] are showing no contamination in the soil
[1:20:15] and there's no toxicity in the you know
[1:20:18] plume gases and again as part of the
[1:20:21] emergency respons it's our
[1:20:23] responsibility to give you the plume
[1:20:25] analysis and hazardous mitigation
[1:20:27] analysis for your fire department
[1:20:31] review yes go ahead cman
[1:20:34] Henderson thank you uh so as as
[1:20:37] representatives from tanasa you're
[1:20:40] proposing building this project um can I
[1:20:43] ask how many best facilities tanasa has
[1:20:46] successfully built and
[1:20:48] operated there are uh 200 megawatts of
[1:20:52] tanasa developed best in operation right
[1:20:55] now 200 megaw of tanasa developed best
[1:20:58] under construction and 10,000 megaw in
[1:21:04] development how many buildings is that
[1:21:06] if you may how many actual buildings
[1:21:09] you're saying the megawatts how much
[1:21:10] does each facility produce or hold uh
[1:21:15] the exact you know so I would say there
[1:21:18] are in a range from about 150 megawatts
[1:21:20] to 300 megawatts and you know so each
[1:21:24] one is in kind of a 2 or 250 range
[1:21:28] so you got like 200ish out and 200 200
[1:21:32] plan and then a couple under development
[1:21:36] yeah so how many uh a
[1:21:39] couple in terms of 100 facilities
[1:21:42] facilities uh the 10,000 megawatt under
[1:21:45] development that Tommy referred to
[1:21:48] equates to about 50 facilities under
[1:21:51] development so that's that's 1 10,000
[1:21:54] megawatt
[1:21:55] under
[1:21:56] construction uh one 200 megawatt
[1:22:00] facility that's up and running and the
[1:22:03] 10,000 so that's three right there's no
[1:22:07] three facilities like so so if we're
[1:22:09] taking if we're taking this proposed
[1:22:11] project as one facility right just this
[1:22:14] one right um taking out the megawatt
[1:22:17] confusing talk how many sites have you
[1:22:21] guys
[1:22:22] built successfully and are operating how
[1:22:26] many different sites there's we have to
[1:22:29] be uh careful how we respond to this
[1:22:31] because not necessarily every tanasa
[1:22:34] developed uh project is owned by the
[1:22:36] same entity so there's confidentiality
[1:22:39] agreements that apply there uh but the
[1:22:43] as I said there's you know a 200
[1:22:46] megawatt facility in operation there's a
[1:22:49] 200 megawatt facility in construction
[1:22:52] and uh 10,000 megawatts of projects in
[1:22:57] development so you have one facility and
[1:23:00] one under construction that's right
[1:23:02] thank
[1:23:08] you okay right are there any other
[1:23:13] questions councilman okay go ahead um
[1:23:16] who who did the RFP for this project the
[1:23:19] request for
[1:23:22] proposal uh we are the project responds
[1:23:27] to uh utility rfps so psse so in this
[1:23:31] case we're responding to a PSC RFP
[1:23:34] okay counc laka yeah so I just go back
[1:23:43] to um when PSC was here and they were we
[1:23:46] were talking about the growth and they
[1:23:48] insisted we had plenty of energy to
[1:23:50] suffice the growth and um you know I
[1:23:53] think Sarah at the very time you said
[1:23:54] it's April and I'm still getting texts
[1:23:56] because it's wi because I'm being asked
[1:23:58] to shut down my heater um and they said
[1:24:00] oh that that must be a mistake there's
[1:24:02] definitely plenty of of uh energy and
[1:24:05] then they're the ones requesting the and
[1:24:07] then the facility doesn't make much
[1:24:09] sense because like I said it's not
[1:24:11] financially sound at this point and it
[1:24:13] hasn't something hasn't been something
[1:24:15] that would have been um over the
[1:24:18] duration of of Washington right um so
[1:24:21] it's interesting to find that they're
[1:24:23] the ones that are kind of requesting
[1:24:25] this unless there's uh you know I mean
[1:24:27] it would have to be profitable to
[1:24:30] them that would be who pays for energy I
[1:24:33] guess with PC I would just add you know
[1:24:35] this uh this is preparing for the future
[1:24:39] um like you like we said we've we've
[1:24:41] responded to to psc's RFP
[1:24:45] um we wouldn't be PSC wouldn't be
[1:24:48] investing um in these future uh kind of
[1:24:52] resources if uh it's not needed and also
[1:24:56] um brownouts aren't happening yet uh but
[1:25:01] the transition to these intermittent
[1:25:02] resources uh they're expressing the
[1:25:05] confidence to communities because uh a
[1:25:07] lot of this has already been accounted
[1:25:09] for in that IRP um so that those are
[1:25:13] just kind of some thoughts on
[1:25:15] that I see they're saying that we're
[1:25:17] good because in time they hope to have
[1:25:20] facilities like these approved by the
[1:25:22] communities this is all future planning
[1:25:24] yeah and this is all in response to the
[1:25:27] climate act that Washington voted in you
[1:25:31] guys voted in so maybe not you guys but
[1:25:35] overwhelming people in Washington I
[1:25:37] didn't so yeah and then just to clarify
[1:25:41] when we're talking about the communities
[1:25:43] voting this in the city of Cedar wooly
[1:25:46] and the scet county actually have no
[1:25:50] actual say in this approval process this
[1:25:53] is at the state level so this is
[1:25:55] bypassed the local community um and so I
[1:25:58] just want to to make that clear in
[1:26:00] regards to um any sort of Council vote
[1:26:03] that there will be no vote here because
[1:26:06] as you can tell we probably have a lot
[1:26:08] of the same concerns that you have um in
[1:26:10] fact I also have more questions as this
[1:26:13] comes through and I'm more insecure
[1:26:16] about the entire project after listening
[1:26:18] to it because we don't have
[1:26:21] emergency um response
[1:26:25] drafted at all it's all a matter of you
[1:26:28] know when this project is approved or
[1:26:30] when we do this or when we do that and
[1:26:32] that leaves everybody feeling completely
[1:26:35] uncomfortable um we councilman Burns
[1:26:38] mentioned that you know his questions
[1:26:40] weren't answered in regards to radius
[1:26:41] and and effect and all of that if if you
[1:26:45] know we do have an emergency you know
[1:26:47] there there's a lot of unanswered
[1:26:49] questions that leave our community with
[1:26:51] more questions and leave us uh more more
[1:26:54] insecure about it and we also feel a
[1:26:57] little bit more uncomfortable in the
[1:26:58] fact that psse was telling us that we
[1:27:00] have proper grid and in fact it's coming
[1:27:03] forward that you know maybe we do now
[1:27:06] but nobody's nobody's talking about the
[1:27:08] future and all of that and again it goes
[1:27:10] back down to um to the state level where
[1:27:13] this stuff is coming from but I just
[1:27:14] wanted to be very clear about the fact
[1:27:16] that you know our our local community
[1:27:19] here is here to be heard and you should
[1:27:21] every single one of you that wants to
[1:27:23] speak should be heard
[1:27:24] um you have every right to do so we
[1:27:26] welcome you at any single council
[1:27:27] meeting to do so um but at this at this
[1:27:31] city level uh we are not able to vote on
[1:27:35] this councilman
[1:27:38] kesy I just wanted to say that I
[1:27:41] completely um agree with everybody up
[1:27:43] here and I'm so proud of all of you guys
[1:27:45] for all the questions and everything
[1:27:47] that you're asking I feel completely
[1:27:49] deceived by
[1:27:50] psse um and by you as well and I just
[1:27:54] hope that um you will listen to all of
[1:27:57] us that we don't want this and um not do
[1:28:05] [Applause]
[1:28:13] it so councilman do you have one
[1:28:16] last word that you want to I think
[1:28:18] everybody's gave their opinion do you
[1:28:20] have anything else to add
[1:28:24] uh no I think they're all great points
[1:28:26] and um I am concerned that uh it appears
[1:28:31] the wishes of a vast majority of our
[1:28:35] community as well as uh the entire
[1:28:38] Council it sounds like uh I hope that
[1:28:42] those uh comments and thoughts will be
[1:28:46] uh taken into account by um the state
[1:28:49] Regulators who regulate those because
[1:28:52] you know there's I mean
[1:28:54] everybody has to deal with this thing of
[1:28:56] nimi not in my backyard but in this case
[1:28:59] I really think there's so many concerns
[1:29:02] environmental concerns safety concerns
[1:29:05] uh and it's near quite a few homes that
[1:29:09] I just have significant concerns and I
[1:29:12] hope those are communicated in some way
[1:29:14] from our community to the state
[1:29:16] Regulators thank you all
[1:29:20] right so
[1:29:23] [Applause]
[1:29:24] yeah so uh Nicole Tommy Vu and um Mike
[1:29:30] also Brad we want to thank you very much
[1:29:31] for being here this evening coming um
[1:29:34] and answering our questions um we
[1:29:36] realize that you are here at the behest
[1:29:38] of our of our request but also that you
[1:29:41] have been requested by psse to also look
[1:29:45] to move forward with the possibility of
[1:29:47] building this project so um you know I
[1:29:52] know that you certainly probably have
[1:29:53] the feeling that that you seen as the
[1:29:55] enemy here um I don't know that you are
[1:29:58] truly the enemy I think that there's um
[1:30:00] things there's there are decisions that
[1:30:02] have made Beyond you beyond us and
[1:30:05] perhaps those are the people that we
[1:30:06] need to be asking these questions to as
[1:30:09] well so um I do but again I do want to
[1:30:12] thank you for being here um uh you know
[1:30:15] I respect your positions and what you
[1:30:18] are trying to do and what you believe in
[1:30:20] and we hope that you will feel the same
[1:30:22] about about us and uh where we stand on
[1:30:25] this issue so yeah all right um with
[1:30:29] that um I I do want to give you the
[1:30:33] option if you would like to stay we are
[1:30:35] going to open it up for public comment
[1:30:36] you're welcome to do that um if you do
[1:30:39] not wish to do that um you know you're
[1:30:41] certainly welcome to leave as well
[1:30:44] so sorry no we'd like to listen
[1:30:46] abolutely all right thank you all right
[1:30:49] so
[1:30:50] um I am going to call upon thank you
[1:30:55] Cy um
[1:30:57] those those individuals that have um
[1:31:02] signed up here on the public hearing I'm
[1:31:03] going to address them first I do have a
[1:31:06] request and that is if if you hear
[1:31:09] somebody come up and they um they share
[1:31:12] exactly what it is that you have wanted
[1:31:15] to share um you know feel free to say
[1:31:17] you know I just concur but you know you
[1:31:19] don't have to say it over and over and
[1:31:21] over again we hear you we hear you the
[1:31:23] first time we have her heard you the
[1:31:24] first time so um if you would be so kind
[1:31:26] to do that because we will limit it to 3
[1:31:28] minutes I mean if you do the math you
[1:31:30] know three minutes and we'll be here
[1:31:34] forever yeah so um so the first person
[1:31:38] that I have on the list tonight is
[1:31:39] actually Peter Browning and um
[1:31:41] commissioner
[1:31:51] Browning good evening I'm Peter Browning
[1:31:53] County commissioner and um thanks for
[1:31:56] joining us I do have to clarify a few
[1:31:58] things I was listed as one of the
[1:32:01] Consultants we met once and none of this
[1:32:04] was discussed the location none of it
[1:32:05] was really discussed so it's a little
[1:32:07] uncomfortable seeing my name listed as
[1:32:09] as a consultant in your
[1:32:10] paperwork
[1:32:13] um also I want to hear if there's a
[1:32:16] difference between proximity to the
[1:32:18] power station or proximity to the
[1:32:20] Bonville power administration's major
[1:32:23] Tower over head which would be a massive
[1:32:25] input to a grid and a grid that would
[1:32:28] serve the whole state so when you talk
[1:32:30] about
[1:32:31] proximity what is it so that's really
[1:32:33] important to me knowing if it's a a
[1:32:35] money maker for an overall grid um there
[1:32:39] may be a place for battery farms in our
[1:32:41] County but scet with the flood Plains
[1:32:43] the farmland and next to a creek a creek
[1:32:46] we've just spent Millions on just
[1:32:48] restoring millions of dollars over the
[1:32:50] last 10 years have restored that Creek
[1:32:52] to its salmon recovery y it's not this
[1:32:55] is not the place for this the county is
[1:32:57] not against battery Banks we the
[1:32:59] Commissioners and said absolutely it it
[1:33:01] is a part of the bigger picture of of
[1:33:03] care and power but we're aware that
[1:33:06] other possible locations this County may
[1:33:08] be more perfect thank you alen for that
[1:33:10] I appreciate you asking that question
[1:33:12] there are other places so we do however
[1:33:14] believe that they should be required to
[1:33:16] follow our most serious land use
[1:33:18] requirements not bypass them with fsec
[1:33:21] that's frustrating for us next to a
[1:33:24] creek or a river this is just tooo
[1:33:26] obvious they can't guarantee that you
[1:33:27] get a response from a team in here under
[1:33:29] 24 hours that was the discussion 3 weeks
[1:33:31] ago you can't get somebody here in under
[1:33:34] 24 hours 24 hours is not good enough for
[1:33:37] when you're putting volunteer firemen at
[1:33:39] risk all of our firemen for the most
[1:33:42] part are volunteers you're putting them
[1:33:43] at risk with something that is
[1:33:45] potentially quite dangerous so again 24
[1:33:48] hours um there's not a way we can allow
[1:33:51] a stream that feeds into the SC the
[1:33:54] third largest river on the west coast
[1:33:57] could could get damaged from the runoff
[1:33:59] from any impact from this from these the
[1:34:01] batteries we need to be assured because
[1:34:04] again the third largest river on the
[1:34:05] west coast massive Salmon River and H
[1:34:10] and Creek goes right into it if a flood
[1:34:13] Covers Part or all of the battery Bank
[1:34:15] during flood season now here's another
[1:34:16] inconsistency you said it would be low
[1:34:18] profile and then right after that you're
[1:34:20] saying no it's up on stilts which is it
[1:34:24] uh it can't be both so we need to know
[1:34:26] is it going to be way up and it's going
[1:34:27] be quite visible and offensive or is it
[1:34:29] going to be low profile being very
[1:34:31] vulnerable to um a flood and a flood
[1:34:34] around here are very very massive at
[1:34:36] times they're very scary they're huge
[1:34:38] and that would be really one of the one
[1:34:39] of the waterways
[1:34:41] so um so it could be detrimental impact
[1:34:45] on the Hansen Creek and the gadget again
[1:34:48] uh and I understand this is new
[1:34:50] technology I understand that but at the
[1:34:52] same time I don't feel comfortable being
[1:34:54] the test case for new technology um one
[1:34:58] place that's in operation and quite a
[1:35:00] few more in the works absolutely and
[1:35:02] this could be the best thing in the
[1:35:03] world but we have to be assured that
[1:35:05] we're not going to be put at risk
[1:35:07] commissioner Brown in your three minutes
[1:35:08] is up I apologize your three minutes is
[1:35:09] up um also I want to address the the
[1:35:12] count or the uh public here that it was
[1:35:16] a it was a presentation that was given
[1:35:17] to the council so when you're giving
[1:35:19] public comment the public comment should
[1:35:20] be also addressed to the council those
[1:35:21] are excellent questions I don't want to
[1:35:23] dis miss any of them not in one of them
[1:35:25] not even your comment but um just
[1:35:28] they're they're not here to answer
[1:35:29] questions for the public so thank you
[1:35:31] yeah thank
[1:35:39] you uh Connie
[1:35:49] CER oh I can talk fast
[1:35:54] okay hi my name is Connie CER and I am a
[1:35:57] board certified Safety Management
[1:35:58] specialist and I work in industrial
[1:36:00] safety and health for a living but today
[1:36:02] that's not what I'm going to talk to you
[1:36:03] about um in the late 1960s the
[1:36:06] government and the energy companies were
[1:36:08] telling all of us including those of us
[1:36:09] in scet county and they that the demand
[1:36:12] in this state and Nation would exceed
[1:36:14] the supply that we have for energy
[1:36:16] unless we built nuclear power plants
[1:36:19] there was six supposedly supposed to be
[1:36:21] built in Washington state one here on
[1:36:23] backas
[1:36:24] the citizens were told by politicians
[1:36:25] and corporations that this was the
[1:36:27] newest and best form of energy and it
[1:36:29] would solve all of our energy needs with
[1:36:32] minimal environmental impact citizens of
[1:36:34] skic County knew better and after a long
[1:36:37] hardfought battle to save backis hill
[1:36:40] and samish Island in 1980 after 12 years
[1:36:44] the plans for the power plants were
[1:36:45] moved to Hanford Gadget County
[1:36:47] implemented regulations to prevent this
[1:36:49] from happening again when it came to
[1:36:50] nuclear power yet here we are again
[1:36:54] with the newest fad for politicians and
[1:36:57] for corporations the same old snake oil
[1:37:00] with a new label and new Peddlers that's
[1:37:03] it we're here being told generation
[1:37:06] after generation that giving up our
[1:37:08] environment for energy projects that are
[1:37:12] supposedly in our interests when the
[1:37:14] reality is the more energy that's made
[1:37:16] and saved it just means that the more
[1:37:18] energy is sold and used this cycle is
[1:37:21] devastating and it is our job job as
[1:37:23] Citizens to continue our Legacy of
[1:37:25] protecting the gadget Valley from
[1:37:27] corporate greed and outof count
[1:37:29] interests Washington is at a Crossroads
[1:37:31] and it's evident by the vast number of
[1:37:32] energy companies that are flooding into
[1:37:34] Washington to become the next richest
[1:37:36] corporation with multiple forms of clean
[1:37:38] energy taking over our farmlands that do
[1:37:41] not provide a sustainable future for our
[1:37:43] children or for
[1:37:44] ourselves there's a term that was
[1:37:46] recently brought to my attention it's
[1:37:47] called greenwashing it means something
[1:37:50] such as a product or policy or a
[1:37:53] practice
[1:37:54] that appears to be more environmentally
[1:37:56] friendly or less environmentally
[1:37:58] damaging than it really
[1:38:00] is currently in Washington state there
[1:38:03] are 88,000 acres of land under lease
[1:38:06] agreement for green energy projects many
[1:38:09] of those acres are undeveloped or
[1:38:11] farmlands or native lands um CRA wooly
[1:38:15] bears the burden of being the major
[1:38:16] support for all of scet County from here
[1:38:18] all the way up River the burden of care
[1:38:20] and services Falls to Cedar Woolly and
[1:38:22] all the CI U River and we hold our own
[1:38:25] in the case of an emergency corporations
[1:38:27] aren't going to be here they're not
[1:38:28] going to be here to help us they're
[1:38:30] going to cut bait and leave behind
[1:38:31] lawyers and the laundry list of llc's
[1:38:34] and layers and layers of people that are
[1:38:37] supposedly working to service this plant
[1:38:41] the people of cedra wooly are resilient
[1:38:43] they're strong and they have long
[1:38:45] memories they waited for years to and
[1:38:49] they waited a few years to try these
[1:38:51] same old tricks again and it's not going
[1:38:53] to fly it took 12 years last time of
[1:38:55] fighting and all of these people here
[1:38:56] are willing to spend 12 more years
[1:38:58] fighting this
[1:39:07] one Scott
[1:39:12] Patterson hi everybody thanks for coming
[1:39:15] uh my name is Scott Patterson I'm just a
[1:39:17] concerned citizen I don't have a long
[1:39:19] list of
[1:39:20] qualifications uh but the first thing I
[1:39:22] want to do is thank you folks for saying
[1:39:24] everything that I was going to stand up
[1:39:26] here and
[1:39:27] say and uh I mean I I was raised in this
[1:39:30] Valley I raised my kids my kids are
[1:39:33] raising their kids right next door to
[1:39:35] this place and I don't believe a thing
[1:39:38] about it being safe there's just too
[1:39:40] many potential problems and um we really
[1:39:43] think you can find another place for it
[1:39:45] I'm going to give up the rest of my time
[1:39:46] there's 40 people that signed up that's
[1:39:48] two hours thank you thank you Judy hogas
[1:40:01] okay first of all I can say I want to
[1:40:03] change and make other comments that I
[1:40:06] wrote down here but I'm G to stick to
[1:40:08] what I
[1:40:10] wrote um first of all my name is Judy
[1:40:12] hoges I live on Warner Street 401 Warner
[1:40:15] Street in Cedar woly I know many of you
[1:40:17] personally friends acquaintances all of
[1:40:20] it some new acquaintances that have just
[1:40:22] stepped up for me
[1:40:24] um first of all I'm a former vice
[1:40:26] president real estate loan and
[1:40:27] Commercial loan officer per People's
[1:40:29] Bank which is a locally family-owned
[1:40:31] Bank in Wacom County and I did many
[1:40:35] commercial properties with developers on
[1:40:37] land be it Wetlands be it floods flood
[1:40:42] zones and you know I can understand
[1:40:44] mitigating the wetlands okay I'm going
[1:40:47] off script you guys I'm winging it here
[1:40:49] um mitigating and taking another parcel
[1:40:52] somewhere else and saying that's your
[1:40:53] Wetlands your tradeoff I get that the
[1:40:57] flood zones you can bring in your 60,000
[1:41:00] cubic yards of Phill I think is what you
[1:41:02] guys are proposing to do you bring that
[1:41:05] into that site have you guys planned on
[1:41:07] what it's going to do to the other
[1:41:08] Parcels that surround you water's going
[1:41:11] to run downhill to the lowest point
[1:41:14] developers got shut down so many times
[1:41:16] for housing developments to be put in
[1:41:19] because of they were in a flood zone if
[1:41:22] they had a water Source on their
[1:41:24] property a small cck let alone being a
[1:41:26] salmon bearing cck of five species of
[1:41:28] salmon that are born in that cck they go
[1:41:31] out to the ocean they come back and they
[1:41:33] spawn in that cck that doesn't happen
[1:41:35] very often we've done an investment
[1:41:38] millions of millions of dollars before
[1:41:39] my time here in Cedar
[1:41:42] willly and you know to say it won't
[1:41:45] happen it it can't happen um we it just
[1:41:49] it just is amazing to me all my mind is
[1:41:51] scrambled from this meeting already but
[1:41:54] the biggest thing when a commercial
[1:41:57] development developer came in I'm going
[1:41:58] to go fast here is he had come in he or
[1:42:01] she would come in and he' have a plan
[1:42:03] he'd have a business model he knew what
[1:42:06] he was going to make how many homes what
[1:42:08] style homes how much they were going to
[1:42:10] go for what his profit was going to
[1:42:12] be you guys are saying well we don't
[1:42:15] have all our business model get together
[1:42:17] together quite yet we don't have our
[1:42:20] fire safety plan issued yet but you guys
[1:42:22] take the risk in the community we'll let
[1:42:24] you know what we come up with and as our
[1:42:27] commissioner Patterson he mentioned that
[1:42:31] um Browning commissioner Browning I'm
[1:42:33] sorry um Browning that we're a volunteer
[1:42:36] base I don't know if you guys know what
[1:42:38] that is our community steps up and
[1:42:40] volunteers their time to go fight
[1:42:42] battles of hires emergencies in our town
[1:42:45] and when they have to go out and fight
[1:42:46] your battle our town is going to be
[1:42:47] limited and exposed and just at risk we
[1:42:51] won't have the coverage that we need for
[1:42:53] our community and our citizens to be
[1:42:55] safe I'm going to shut down I didn't say
[1:42:58] anything I
[1:42:59] wrote and I'm just I'm so angry I'm so
[1:43:03] angry but the biggest thing now you guys
[1:43:06] um your time is up can I say one thing
[1:43:08] Julia please just give me Scotty's time
[1:43:11] the the time is now for our community to
[1:43:14] stand up you guys showed that tonight
[1:43:16] and I appreciate every butt in the feet
[1:43:18] if you don't talk I don't care but I
[1:43:21] don't want you guys to think you can
[1:43:22] come come in here and first of all take
[1:43:24] our Eggland then you jeopardize our
[1:43:27] waterways our water source you
[1:43:29] jeopardize our wildlife and most of all
[1:43:32] you jeopardize citizens 10,000 over
[1:43:35] what's in this room and we're the
[1:43:38] community that's going to take on all
[1:43:39] the risks okay thank you okay and I'm
[1:43:43] sorry thank
[1:43:47] you so Matt
[1:43:50] Phillips Matt Phillips and a reminder
[1:43:53] you're addressing the council I'm sorry
[1:43:56] I want to make
[1:43:57] iact no Matt Phillips okay how about
[1:44:00] Matt
[1:44:15] Steinman first off I want to I want to
[1:44:17] thank um Mayor Johnson and our entire
[1:44:20] city council for all that you do for
[1:44:22] this community
[1:44:24] and uh and all the Fantastic questions
[1:44:26] that you you all posed today I think
[1:44:28] there's a lot of people who had like we
[1:44:31] all talked about had more questions than
[1:44:33] answers which is concerning um but thank
[1:44:35] you for the enlightening questions um so
[1:44:39] again my name is Matt styman I um am a
[1:44:43] fifth generation
[1:44:44] scatoni um I I've been farming
[1:44:48] organically here in scet for more than
[1:44:50] 20 years I currently manage more than
[1:44:53] 200 Acres of organic Farmland the
[1:44:55] majority of which is just Downstream
[1:44:58] from the proposed site Hansen Creek goes
[1:45:00] through our farm for almost a mile and
[1:45:04] we have put substantial amounts of of
[1:45:07] energy and work into into um sustaining
[1:45:10] and regenerating the creek and helping
[1:45:13] to bring back all five forms of
[1:45:16] androgenous salmon that we are now very
[1:45:18] proud to see come and spawn and go back
[1:45:21] down and organic farming
[1:45:24] is you have to work one with with nature
[1:45:29] and so I'm here today like I said I'm a
[1:45:33] farmer um but I'm not here as a farmer
[1:45:35] today I take that hat off I'm here as a
[1:45:38] scatoni as a father and as a very
[1:45:41] concerned resident and um I just I need
[1:45:45] to speak for for the land and and again
[1:45:49] the questions have not been answered in
[1:45:51] any appropriate way and in fact there's
[1:45:53] more questions than there were um but I
[1:45:55] want to take a step back so more than 45
[1:45:58] years ago this County in the and the
[1:46:01] citizens endeavored to protect our
[1:46:04] number one natural resource which is our
[1:46:07] farmland and the way we did that or one
[1:46:09] of the ways that we did that was to
[1:46:12] create the egg NRL zoning reality and
[1:46:16] what this does is allow us to only have
[1:46:18] one house per 40 acres so that a family
[1:46:21] farm can actually own enough land to be
[1:46:25] sustainable now I would I would argue
[1:46:27] that those economics have changed in the
[1:46:29] last 40 years and it's you need probably
[1:46:32] more than 40 acres if you really want to
[1:46:33] be a viable farmer you're almost just a
[1:46:36] gentleman Farmer at 40 acres anymore um
[1:46:39] and but what that really does when you
[1:46:42] remove the tax burden on that land is it
[1:46:46] allows the farmer to to have a cost
[1:46:50] structure that they can actually they
[1:46:52] can afford farming is more work in heart
[1:46:55] BL Blood Sweat and Tears there's not a
[1:46:58] lot of profit margin in it and so what I
[1:47:02] see here happening is we have we have
[1:47:04] large companies coming in and and trying
[1:47:07] to swoop in on this Farmland that has
[1:47:10] it's not devalued um from my standpoint
[1:47:13] and this community standpoint this is
[1:47:15] our natural resource again but it is
[1:47:17] devalued from a financial standpoint to
[1:47:19] allow farming to maintain itself in this
[1:47:22] Community Matt I'm sorry your time is up
[1:47:25] thank you thank you but Sally
[1:47:31] Carlson thank you Council I
[1:47:36] appreciate Council mayor
[1:47:40] Community I'm Sally Carlson my parents
[1:47:43] were graduates of the high school here
[1:47:45] in
[1:47:46] 1952 and 53 my grandparents and my mom
[1:47:50] grew up just down the road from where
[1:47:54] this proposed site is um my grandfather
[1:47:58] fished on the gadget for salmon my
[1:48:01] parents grandparents my
[1:48:03] great-grandparents are all buried here
[1:48:06] on this land my kids my grandkids live
[1:48:11] here the people who serve on this
[1:48:14] Council our County Commissioners and our
[1:48:18] other elected
[1:48:20] officials they make the law
[1:48:23] and rules for our people we elect them
[1:48:28] to do
[1:48:31] this the people on the FC committee were
[1:48:38] appointed they are steamrolling these
[1:48:41] energy projects through without regard
[1:48:44] for the
[1:48:47] residents of this Valley they're using
[1:48:51] our Farmland taking away housing
[1:48:54] endangering our
[1:48:56] Wildlife um and our drinking water
[1:49:00] that's
[1:49:01] concerning this is government overreach
[1:49:05] it's overreaching our city and county
[1:49:08] regulations and laws without due
[1:49:12] diligence
[1:49:14] tanasa has farmed out parts of this
[1:49:17] application Pro process to contractors
[1:49:21] who have obviously never stepped foot on
[1:49:25] that parcel of
[1:49:27] land to read these reports you would
[1:49:29] think that it's a desolate parcel of
[1:49:32] land
[1:49:34] Barren quite the opposite Hansen Creek
[1:49:37] is a living breathing stream with
[1:49:39] salmon it provides for the nearby
[1:49:42] nesting
[1:49:44] Eagles it provides for the deer that
[1:49:47] cross that land it provides for our elk
[1:49:50] herd here in this Valley lithium
[1:49:54] batteries are not the solution they are
[1:49:57] a
[1:49:59] Band-Aid they destroy more of our
[1:50:01] environment to produce these toxic
[1:50:04] things a battery storage site does not
[1:50:08] belong on this productive Rural
[1:50:11] Community Land so stop stop the insanity
[1:50:17] all right thank
[1:50:19] you Al Chandler
[1:50:24] Al
[1:50:34] Chandler thank you all Al Chandler uh
[1:50:37] currently
[1:50:39] um property owner in cedra willly and a
[1:50:41] business owner and I agree with all of
[1:50:45] you and I am am ask the city to U do
[1:50:50] what they can to stop this before it
[1:50:53] gets
[1:50:54] crazy and somebody gets hurt and I'll
[1:50:57] pass my time to people have better
[1:50:59] things to say thank
[1:51:05] you thank you Lance
[1:51:13] Hansen so we're a local farming family
[1:51:16] uh we've been around on burmaster road
[1:51:19] which is the next Road over since the
[1:51:21] 1940s
[1:51:22] we've owned the farm there it's less
[1:51:24] than two miles from this site uh my
[1:51:27] biggest issue is the loss of Farmland uh
[1:51:29] this is the last true agricultural
[1:51:31] County north of
[1:51:32] Olympia and uh we have a history of
[1:51:34] farming in this area and Farms protect
[1:51:37] open space and human sustenance by
[1:51:39] producing the food that you eat without
[1:51:41] Farms you L lose basic human survival
[1:51:43] and food security also grown locals an
[1:51:46] important aspect that will be lost if
[1:51:48] Farmland continues to be lost to
[1:51:50] projects like this uh Farms protect open
[1:51:53] space for wildlife elk and deer roam
[1:51:55] this area I actually just saw three
[1:51:57] Blacktail deer out there two weeks ago
[1:51:59] driving to my parents house uh it's a
[1:52:01] lie that this place has not been farmed
[1:52:04] uh hay has made there annually and the
[1:52:06] previous owner at a horse farm I drove
[1:52:08] by twice a day by this place uh my whole
[1:52:11] life so uh Farmland is already
[1:52:13] threatened by uh growth development and
[1:52:16] Industry and you not cannot replace it
[1:52:18] once it is gone we must protect what
[1:52:20] little is left from development as it is
[1:52:22] as a finite resource there is also the
[1:52:24] loss of income and local jobs from
[1:52:26] losing Farmland over time it's a huge
[1:52:29] part of the gadget County economy I do
[1:52:31] not support this project and it's
[1:52:33] obviously the whole Community is against
[1:52:35] it as well as the local Farm Bureau I'm
[1:52:37] on the farm schad County Farm Bureau
[1:52:39] board and we're against this project
[1:52:41] because of the loss of Farmland we
[1:52:43] cannot allow this to happen to lose more
[1:52:45] Farmland in this County also how can you
[1:52:48] call this a green energy project it's
[1:52:49] only energy storage not actually Greenly
[1:52:52] produced proding energy so to me that's
[1:52:54] kind of a
[1:52:55] misnomer so basically I don't want the
[1:52:58] loss of Farmland as important to me so
[1:53:00] all right thank
[1:53:05] you Pam
[1:53:14] Nelson hi I'm Pam Nelson I live at 29252
[1:53:18] hoen Road the property just south of the
[1:53:22] of the proposed property only on the
[1:53:24] other side of hoen road Hansen Creek
[1:53:27] runs through our property my son Matt
[1:53:29] was just here speaking so I don't want
[1:53:30] to repeat the five generations and all
[1:53:33] the Farmland but the wildlife the creek
[1:53:37] the salmon the birds the deer the
[1:53:41] coyotes the beaver it's amazing what
[1:53:44] comes through there and how beautiful it
[1:53:46] is and we live there we could live
[1:53:48] anywhere we live there because it's
[1:53:50] beautiful it's quiet it's private and no
[1:53:55] one wants that to be interrupted or
[1:53:58] taken away from us um I also our family
[1:54:02] also owns Foothills Toyota and Honda
[1:54:05] Burlington so I'm well aware of the
[1:54:08] lithium industry in the car business as
[1:54:10] well it's very
[1:54:12] controversial Automotive news comes out
[1:54:14] once a week just this week a dealership
[1:54:16] burned down in San Diego because of a
[1:54:19] lithium battery fire they couldn't put
[1:54:21] out um I think lithium
[1:54:24] batteries at least within the Auto
[1:54:27] industry are going to disappear within
[1:54:29] the next 15 20
[1:54:32] years it's a very competitive market and
[1:54:35] these companies that come in and with
[1:54:37] all due respect you all have a job to do
[1:54:40] but it's all for profit and what do you
[1:54:44] where do you think they're going to get
[1:54:45] the return selling that energy selling
[1:54:48] that and who's going to buy it us does
[1:54:51] that mean our our our energy bills go up
[1:54:56] talk about insurance talk to your
[1:54:58] insurance agent if there's a fire or
[1:55:00] they going to pay your claim if you have
[1:55:02] damage maybe but in the future will they
[1:55:04] cancel you or raise your rates so
[1:55:06] insurance is a huge issue safety is
[1:55:10] bigger than I think they even know and I
[1:55:13] really appreciate the council for all
[1:55:15] your questions they were wonderful um
[1:55:18] we're all with you and I think we should
[1:55:21] continue to be very vocal
[1:55:22] all right thank
[1:55:28] you Cindy
[1:55:38] Chandler hi I'm Cindy Chandler my
[1:55:41] husband is Al Chandler we own a business
[1:55:44] in Cedro woly we also own a farm and
[1:55:47] another piece of property for with my
[1:55:49] son and his fiance and and that property
[1:55:53] we just purchased last fall that was
[1:55:56] that property is probably within 400
[1:55:58] yards of this propos facility there are
[1:56:01] young couple that are getting married
[1:56:03] later this month planned on starting a
[1:56:05] family building a house and having the
[1:56:07] whole Spiel of being living and growing
[1:56:11] in cedra
[1:56:12] woy now we're looking at the possibility
[1:56:16] of if this plant goes through anything
[1:56:20] toxic or anything that happens they
[1:56:22] wouldn't want to live there and I used
[1:56:24] to have a a game with my kids called
[1:56:26] what if they would want to do something
[1:56:30] and I'd say okay but what if this
[1:56:31] happens is it worth it they always
[1:56:34] wanted to hold the Roman candles at
[1:56:38] Fourth of July and I said okay what if
[1:56:42] you Austin Who Wants To Be A baseball
[1:56:45] player blows off a finger or you Daniel
[1:56:48] that want as a musician blows off a
[1:56:51] finger well was it worth it what if and
[1:56:55] that's the what if here you say that the
[1:56:58] that it's not going to happen it
[1:57:00] shouldn't happen but what if it does is
[1:57:03] it worth it to these families to these
[1:57:06] farmlands to the
[1:57:08] people what
[1:57:10] if thank
[1:57:16] you ivy moer
[1:57:23] good evening thank you um my name is Ivy
[1:57:25] moer I do not live here as a full-time
[1:57:27] resident I am um Alan Cindy's
[1:57:30] grandaughter uh I do however my little
[1:57:32] brother and I do own a piece of land
[1:57:34] that is within three miles of where the
[1:57:36] battery station will be placed
[1:57:39] potentially um and I mean not
[1:57:44] withstanding obviously all of the
[1:57:46] environmental impacts um just the
[1:57:49] economic impact that it's going to have
[1:57:51] on People Like Us who have these
[1:57:53] Investments for us that we aren't going
[1:57:55] to get Social Security when we're older
[1:57:59] we're they've told us that we're not
[1:58:01] going to get benefits we need things
[1:58:03] right we can't we can't have things that
[1:58:06] are given to us thrown away that we need
[1:58:08] for our future because there's
[1:58:10] environmentally economically for me and
[1:58:13] my little brother there's going to be
[1:58:15] nothing and anyone we're very privileged
[1:58:18] anyone in this community who has
[1:58:20] something like that who doesn't have
[1:58:21] also any other external way of
[1:58:24] supporting themselves in the
[1:58:26] future they're what are they going to do
[1:58:28] you know what are what are people of my
[1:58:30] generation the younger generation is
[1:58:31] going to
[1:58:33] do thank you thank you
[1:58:38] I Peggy
[1:58:41] Syrian Peggy Syrian sign theer
[1:58:47] okay Isabelle Warner sign you okay
[1:58:58] uh zie is that
[1:59:04] right all
[1:59:06] right we're moving right through this
[1:59:08] list Scott
[1:59:17] Schuler good evening thank you for
[1:59:19] allowing me to speak uh my name is Scott
[1:59:21] Skyler I'm the policy rep for the upper
[1:59:24] gadet Indian tribe it's a pleasure to be
[1:59:26] here
[1:59:32] um I I wrote many of the uh concerns
[1:59:35] that the tribe has with this project
[1:59:37] down but uh everybody articulated them
[1:59:40] so well basically I have to just
[1:59:42] basically say that we're in concurrence
[1:59:43] with most of what was said here tonight
[1:59:45] um but I will share a little bit of our
[1:59:47] history here we've been working on the
[1:59:49] scad river Watershed uh recovery for the
[1:59:52] last 50 years uh We've invested millions
[1:59:55] of dollars on salmon recovery and and
[1:59:57] projects that we partnered with the
[1:59:59] County local communities various groups
[2:00:01] and we've done a phenomenal job working
[2:00:04] with folks on Hansen Creek for the last
[2:00:06] 40 years and the the system is
[2:00:08] recovering uh the salmon are coming back
[2:00:11] like many folks have said here it's
[2:00:12] utilized by many species of Wildlife and
[2:00:15] uh this is about risk assessment and
[2:00:18] risk assessment must be done by
[2:00:20] individuals here and the tribe looks at
[2:00:22] this project as there's no guarantees
[2:00:25] that there will be no environmental
[2:00:26] degreg down the road or no accident or
[2:00:29] anything that will adversely impact the
[2:00:31] progress we've made and so from our
[2:00:33] lands we look at it is there a benefit
[2:00:36] for the community very dubious at best
[2:00:38] after hearing what was got you what was
[2:00:40] said tonight is it beneficial to Salmon
[2:00:43] absolutely not is it beneficial to
[2:00:45] Wildlife absolutely not is it beneficial
[2:00:48] to our culture absolutely not so the
[2:00:50] list of positive things that could
[2:00:52] potentially be gained by moving forward
[2:00:53] with this project are virtually
[2:00:55] non-existent at this point and so the
[2:00:58] council will be working to develop a
[2:01:00] letter of opposition and to to send to
[2:01:02] the state of Washington and all the
[2:01:04] permitting agencies you know even though
[2:01:06] the per the project may have permit
[2:01:09] regulation compliance that does not
[2:01:11] avert the risk to the community and to
[2:01:14] the natural resources that are so
[2:01:16] important to everyone here so again
[2:01:17] thank you for your time thank you Scott
[2:01:33] minaa Dennis Allison
[2:01:37] okay Stephanie Estrada
[2:01:55] thank you for hearing what I have to say
[2:01:57] tonight I am Stephanie arrana um we live
[2:02:02] within probably 400 feet of the
[2:02:07] substation now you were talking about
[2:02:11] okay if there is an accident the
[2:02:14] toxicity that comes from that we have to
[2:02:18] evacuate a letter that we received
[2:02:21] within if you live within a mile you
[2:02:23] have three minutes to get out you can't
[2:02:27] get everything together in three minutes
[2:02:30] and we want to sell our home nobody's
[2:02:33] going to want to buy unless you want to
[2:02:35] buy and are you going to pay us what
[2:02:37] it's worth we I'm sorry I'm trying to be
[2:02:40] respectful but we don't want you
[2:02:43] here thank you all right thank you
[2:02:53] commissioner
[2:02:57] weon yeah thank you very much Ron we
[2:03:00] sketch County Commissioner I really
[2:03:01] appreciate all the great questions the
[2:03:02] council had tonight I think you did a
[2:03:03] very good job explaining the concerns
[2:03:05] that I've heard of the community and
[2:03:07] you've definitely voiced it very well I
[2:03:09] think want to comment a little bit on
[2:03:11] the aoi that the county staff had
[2:03:14] presented this had never been come to
[2:03:16] the County Commissioners to make any
[2:03:17] decision on um what the county staff did
[2:03:20] they had a preapp meeting and these are
[2:03:22] the things the steps you have to do to
[2:03:24] get this kind of project moving forward
[2:03:26] and the staff called it a major utility
[2:03:29] which have a hearing examiner um special
[2:03:32] use permit process and so that' have
[2:03:35] public comment and all these issues
[2:03:36] going forward so it's not that the
[2:03:38] County Commissioners voted to say yes
[2:03:40] you can move forward these are just the
[2:03:42] steps you would have to take before a
[2:03:44] permit would be issued at the county
[2:03:46] level um but because they're going to
[2:03:48] the fsac system my understanding the
[2:03:50] county has absolutely no say on what's
[2:03:52] going on because they're doing the
[2:03:53] regulations so forth and I think some of
[2:03:55] the good questions were brought up about
[2:03:57] the funding you spend $250
[2:03:59] million where's the payback on it
[2:04:02] obviously you buy low and you sell back
[2:04:05] high that's how the process works so
[2:04:08] somebody's going to make that extra
[2:04:09] money and I don't see any way except the
[2:04:12] rate payers are going to have to make
[2:04:13] that up but the other thing people need
[2:04:15] to realize the petown energy um they
[2:04:18] we've had some projects that they're
[2:04:19] trying to do up by the port of Gadget
[2:04:21] and the developers have been told that
[2:04:23] pound Indy is not able to guarantee the
[2:04:26] amount of power that those companies
[2:04:28] want to have in the future so there is
[2:04:31] definitely an issue with the Grid in our
[2:04:33] area here because of the the draw that
[2:04:36] is coming in and the grid is very
[2:04:38] complicated hook together but there's
[2:04:40] just so many substations where they can
[2:04:42] hook in um the County Commissioners came
[2:04:44] out with a letter talking about how we
[2:04:46] don't believe this is the proper site
[2:04:47] for this location and we definitely uh
[2:04:50] thank you very much for having the
[2:04:51] meeting here but we definitely County
[2:04:53] Commissioners do not believe this is a
[2:04:55] location we should do this so thank you
[2:04:57] thank you
[2:05:02] commissioner and that statement is on
[2:05:04] your website we we have all read it it's
[2:05:07] and it's also included in our packet so
[2:05:10] thank you very much powerful words we
[2:05:12] appreciate it um Kimberly osterhout
[2:05:31] um my first thought was if there happen
[2:05:33] to be a leakage we have within a small
[2:05:36] radius we've got Lyman all the way to
[2:05:39] our high school we have six schools of
[2:05:41] kids and with all of those kids if there
[2:05:44] is a leakage and they were in the
[2:05:46] schools the school the um bus drivers
[2:05:49] would have to get to the bus yard would
[2:05:51] have have to load all their stuff that
[2:05:53] they have to do drive to the school pick
[2:05:56] up the kids take them home then they
[2:05:58] have to go back for their second group
[2:06:00] of kids and do the same thing and my
[2:06:03] thought was how long is it going to take
[2:06:06] for you to take care of the toxins or if
[2:06:09] there's a fire for our poor kids so I
[2:06:12] was just thinking about the kids thank
[2:06:20] you uh Dwayne
[2:06:26] Gish all right fantastic thank you um
[2:06:31] Jean
[2:06:35] flurry
[2:06:37] no okay
[2:06:40] [Applause]
[2:06:46] okay I just wondered I just wondered one
[2:06:48] question about the safety of it
[2:06:52] if somebody drove by that thing and a
[2:06:56] high powerered rifle and shot
[2:06:59] it what what happens then I mean we have
[2:07:03] stuff like they they've attacked some of
[2:07:05] the power stations it's happened if
[2:07:07] somebody drove by one of those places
[2:07:08] and shot it does it does it catch fire
[2:07:13] that could take out the the HVAC system
[2:07:15] they could take out the response system
[2:07:18] Anything could happen so you know
[2:07:19] somebody some kids could get drunk and
[2:07:21] go by there and think it's fun to shoot
[2:07:22] the thing I mean what what could
[2:07:24] possibly happen there's and and I read
[2:07:28] one deal where they were talking about
[2:07:31] this company I believe it was their it
[2:07:32] was their company about they asked about
[2:07:34] the security about it and the security
[2:07:37] about it they said that they were going
[2:07:38] to put a six- foot Cyclone Fence and
[2:07:40] razor wire I mean that doesn't stop
[2:07:43] anybody from going in there and causing
[2:07:46] problems I just don't understand why
[2:07:47] there isn't more security involved
[2:07:49] besides the other problems that I see
[2:07:50] anyways that's all I wanted to ask these
[2:07:52] people about that all right thank
[2:07:59] you um Aaron spola am I saying that name
[2:08:03] correctly all
[2:08:07] right and then right below it is a
[2:08:10] kin and I can't make out the last name
[2:08:13] the spelling I
[2:08:15] apologize
[2:08:17] tools is there a kin in the house
[2:08:22] okay moving on uh to mateline
[2:08:31] Chandler I'm sorry Marilyn Chandler my
[2:08:34] apologies
[2:08:38] Marilyn um this is ironic um I'm sitting
[2:08:42] next to the chanders I've never met them
[2:08:44] we're not related so good way to meet
[2:08:47] your
[2:08:50] neighbors all I'm Marilyn Chandler and I
[2:08:53] have lived within one mile of the
[2:08:55] proposed minkler Road site for 39 years
[2:08:58] with my husband
[2:09:00] Gerald both sides of my family my
[2:09:03] mother's and father's side have
[2:09:05] Centennial Farms in Ceda woy that's over
[2:09:09] a hundred years and I also was born in
[2:09:13] cedy I express my opinion to oppose the
[2:09:17] project due to its close proximity to so
[2:09:20] many citizens I believe this project
[2:09:22] does not belong in a residential
[2:09:25] Community the proposed minkler Road site
[2:09:27] is not a good location for the battery
[2:09:30] energy storage system I feel it lacks
[2:09:33] concern for Public Safety after reading
[2:09:36] up on the possible failures and human
[2:09:39] risk of exposure to toxic chemicals due
[2:09:42] to a fire or thermal runaway they are
[2:09:44] not taking into account the need to
[2:09:46] evacuate so many people we must prevent
[2:09:50] this from occurring near our sensitive
[2:09:52] zones protecting our children and
[2:09:54] schools and
[2:09:56] neighborhoods our natural
[2:10:00] resources the future of Hansen Creek and
[2:10:03] depending on wind direction the
[2:10:05] possibility of contaminating Judy
[2:10:07] Reservoir which serves countless PUD
[2:10:10] customers I ask that you find a
[2:10:12] different location this is not the right
[2:10:15] place in the heart of our community the
[2:10:17] future quality of life for seedly
[2:10:19] residents could be in jeopardy
[2:10:22] a risk no one should be taking a gamble
[2:10:24] on I would hope that our generation
[2:10:27] could stand up and fight for this town
[2:10:30] with a hyphen just as those before us
[2:10:33] became famous for standing up against
[2:10:34] the nuclear power plant we need to fight
[2:10:37] again for Cedar woolly our future
[2:10:40] Generations depend on
[2:10:43] us thank
[2:10:46] you what I have gotten out of this
[2:10:49] meeting is how are they going to monitor
[2:10:52] in a snowstorm in 16 degrees when it's
[2:10:55] snowing sideways in in the middle of the
[2:10:58] night and the wind there was a windstorm
[2:11:01] once my husband is a firefighter that
[2:11:04] the the power poles on minkler road went
[2:11:08] over across the road and they were up
[2:11:10] for 24 hours with no sleep going to call
[2:11:14] after call after call so the
[2:11:18] wind we get a lot of bad wind storms and
[2:11:21] that's one problem so thank you all
[2:11:23] right thank
[2:11:28] you is it
[2:11:30] Riley flury is that correct
[2:11:38] [Music]
[2:11:40] yes can you hear me am I close
[2:11:44] enough first off I want to thank the uh
[2:11:46] Council for their questions uh you asked
[2:11:50] a lot of questions I think everyone here
[2:11:53] uh has been wanting to know so I thank
[2:11:55] you for that um again my name is Riley
[2:11:58] flurry um heard a lot of your concerns
[2:12:01] here voiced tonight and I I'm curious if
[2:12:05] the company um uh will be adhering to
[2:12:10] the will of the people or if they are
[2:12:12] just going to go ahead and do whatever
[2:12:14] they want despite our concerns they've
[2:12:16] already shown us that uh they don't care
[2:12:19] about following scet County land use
[2:12:22] policy they just want to go ahead and do
[2:12:25] it
[2:12:27] um but
[2:12:29] uh aside from that it it seems like
[2:12:31] we're being used as guinea pigs here and
[2:12:35] I don't really like that especially
[2:12:36] since we have all this precious Farmland
[2:12:38] that we need to
[2:12:41] protect and I I see no
[2:12:44] considerations uh from the
[2:12:46] company on uh other risks like
[2:12:50] earthquakes uh as some of you may know
[2:12:53] uh we have two at least two active fault
[2:12:55] lines that run right through scet County
[2:12:58] what uh happens when we have an
[2:12:59] earthquake and these things leak and
[2:13:01] they leak into our water table um I I
[2:13:04] just don't see
[2:13:06] the uh benefit of having four hours of
[2:13:09] extra power and then the offset of you
[2:13:12] know poisoning our water table I just
[2:13:14] that doesn't make any sense to
[2:13:16] me um so despite your claims of
[2:13:19] renewable energy and a cleaner
[2:13:21] environment it appears you're willing to
[2:13:23] risk irreparable damage uh to our local
[2:13:27] environment and
[2:13:28] ecosystems and while uh you guys go
[2:13:31] safely back to wherever it is you live
[2:13:35] uh SC the people of scad County are left
[2:13:37] with what I see as a ticking time bomb
[2:13:40] and uh that is threatening our land our
[2:13:43] water and our people so as a resident of
[2:13:46] scet County I demand that uh this
[2:13:49] company stop this Reckless project in
[2:13:53] our County and if you and Ensley want
[2:13:56] this so badly you can build it in your
[2:13:57] own
[2:14:00] backyards we do
[2:14:04] not we do not want it here and we do not
[2:14:07] consent thank
[2:14:11] you jennif
[2:14:13] [Applause]
[2:14:18] ribel jennif ribel
[2:14:24] okay okay thank
[2:14:30] you okay thanks Jenna Freel scadu
[2:14:33] drainage and irrigation Consortium uh I
[2:14:35] Echo everybody's concerns about
[2:14:37] overriding um County and cedra Wy policy
[2:14:40] land use policies there are um checks
[2:14:43] and balances even for state agencies and
[2:14:45] task force and the growth management act
[2:14:47] that would require the state and um the
[2:14:50] committee to consider fair and equally
[2:14:53] Farmland protection both at the state
[2:14:54] level and the local level and I would
[2:14:56] encourage you guys to pursue State
[2:14:58] authorities to protect Farmland also
[2:15:00] just to sort of come back to our uh the
[2:15:03] flood plane issues the sighting
[2:15:04] selection in the flood plane um is a
[2:15:07] poor poor decision as you guys know
[2:15:09] we've been negotiating safe levels of
[2:15:11] flood storage at Ross for four years
[2:15:13] we've made several presentations to the
[2:15:15] county as part of those negotiations
[2:15:18] state federal state federal and local
[2:15:20] tribal government ments have raised
[2:15:22] significant concerns that the the um
[2:15:25] additional flood storage would be used
[2:15:27] to encourage unwanted development and
[2:15:30] growth in our natural resources lands
[2:15:32] not just the critical areas the salmon
[2:15:35] streams but also the flood plane and the
[2:15:37] Farmland so um this is something we've
[2:15:40] heard loud and clear we've made numerous
[2:15:42] promises publicly that the purpose of
[2:15:44] the flood storage is to protect current
[2:15:47] development that's in the flood plane
[2:15:49] and absolutely not encourage growth
[2:15:52] thanks thank
[2:15:59] you zindra
[2:16:01] [Music]
[2:16:11] Nelson thank you mayor oh thank you
[2:16:13] mayor and Council for listening to us
[2:16:15] tonight um my name is zindra Nelson I'm
[2:16:17] a resident of skic County um I've raised
[2:16:19] um nine kids here part of them are still
[2:16:21] at home um I um I strongly oppose the
[2:16:26] battery plant going in into seizure wooy
[2:16:28] um I run a couple of programs or I help
[2:16:31] run a couple of programs homeschool
[2:16:33] programs that meet in seedar willly and
[2:16:35] I have kids that work here in seedar
[2:16:36] will and I'm concerned about the
[2:16:38] toxicity as well as evacuation um I had
[2:16:41] heard that you know there's like a three
[2:16:43] minute window to get out of the
[2:16:45] immediate
[2:16:46] Zone
[2:16:48] um where our homeschool Co-op meets is
[2:16:50] in insire Church um our home school cop
[2:16:53] is about 100 families we have 325 people
[2:16:58] in attendance there are 225 children on
[2:17:02] any given Friday during the school year
[2:17:04] that meet at this Co-op at inspired
[2:17:06] church and we are just down the road you
[2:17:08] know just down the road from the
[2:17:09] substation so um I'm concerned about
[2:17:13] evacuation and whether or not we'd need
[2:17:14] to shelter in place um you know so I'd
[2:17:17] consider us one of the an extra school
[2:17:19] that is in the if evacuation Zone um
[2:17:23] with that in mind you know we would need
[2:17:25] a sorry I'm nervous we would need
[2:17:29] appropriate emergency training for
[2:17:31] myself my leadership and all of the
[2:17:33] families that attend the assessment we
[2:17:36] would also need the assessment for
[2:17:37] appropriate emergency response equipment
[2:17:39] and supplies if the shelter in place is
[2:17:42] required um we do not have access to
[2:17:45] public funds we are homeschoolers so we
[2:17:47] don't have any of the um notifications
[2:17:50] or anything that comes normally that the
[2:17:53] school districts
[2:17:55] receive so um that would um cause extra
[2:17:59] Financial expenses on we don't really
[2:18:01] have the supplies the means we don't
[2:18:03] have the preparedness for that
[2:18:07] um so yeah we um If This Were to go into
[2:18:10] effect I would like our homeschool Co-op
[2:18:12] to be included in the emergency
[2:18:14] prepared preparedness plans and I expect
[2:18:18] that any Communications or
[2:18:19] accommodations that are made for Public
[2:18:21] Schools also be made for our home school
[2:18:23] Co-op which is called First Class Gadget
[2:18:26] County
[2:18:28] um I am concerned about evacuation I'm
[2:18:30] also concerned about toxicity um when
[2:18:33] you look at what the CDC says is you
[2:18:36] know with the hydrogen
[2:18:38] fluoride you know that if it gets moist
[2:18:41] wet if it rains the the acid rain aspect
[2:18:44] of things if it's you know they say that
[2:18:46] it's this type of battery or it won't be
[2:18:48] this they don't they haven't told us
[2:18:49] which kind of battery it is so don't
[2:18:51] know which version of toxicity it will
[2:18:53] be um but if you go to the cdc's website
[2:18:56] they talk about um if it gets in your
[2:19:00] eyes you'll go blind if you if it gets
[2:19:02] on your skin major burning and blisters
[2:19:05] um if it's internalized you can
[2:19:08] drown from your lungs being filled up
[2:19:11] with water so go to the cdc's website
[2:19:14] and look at the um the chemical stuff
[2:19:16] you'll find some really interesting
[2:19:17] information there anyway um I yield my
[2:19:20] whole three seconds of time thank
[2:19:27] you Edie
[2:19:35] bolra no Eddie Val
[2:19:44] Mullen Val Mullen from Cedar Wy I have a
[2:19:49] question for the council and for
[2:19:51] tanasa uh first of all if the if there's
[2:19:54] a potential fire would be restricted to
[2:19:57] one building why do you need to hose
[2:20:00] down adjacent buildings to keep them
[2:20:02] from getting
[2:20:04] hot and some of the research that I've
[2:20:06] done uh similar proposals in King County
[2:20:10] have uh stirred local opposition none of
[2:20:13] these projects have actually occurred
[2:20:15] within the ever Seattle or Tacoma area
[2:20:18] this project is the first time theany
[2:20:21] has applied to a state agency FC which
[2:20:24] can preempt local land use laws lithium
[2:20:28] batteries make may may be considered
[2:20:31] green energy but this is just a myth the
[2:20:34] mining the processing and disposing of
[2:20:36] lithium and Cobalt carry heavy
[2:20:39] environmental and human costs the
[2:20:42] extraction of lithium takes about 21
[2:20:44] million liters of water per day
[2:20:47] diverting it away from local Agriculture
[2:20:49] and community
[2:20:51] ities the mining process itself leads to
[2:20:54] soil contamination water and air
[2:20:56] pollution and destruction of
[2:20:58] ecosystems production of the batteries
[2:21:01] themselves requires heav heavy energy
[2:21:04] input most of that energy is being
[2:21:06] supplied by fossil
[2:21:08] fuels producing a lithium battery
[2:21:10] weighing 1100 lb for a car emits 70%
[2:21:15] more CO2 than producing a conventional
[2:21:18] car most Co VA mining occurs in the
[2:21:22] Congo where child labor and unsafe
[2:21:25] working practices are Rife it costs more
[2:21:29] to recycle the lithium battery than to
[2:21:32] mine more lithium so 95% of lithium
[2:21:35] batteries go to waste the list of
[2:21:39] stakeholders in the application includes
[2:21:42] the tribes the County Commissioners the
[2:21:44] port of scad County the landowner Puget
[2:21:48] Sound Energy and the state Department of
[2:21:52] archaeology curiously the stakeholders
[2:21:55] do not include the community that's
[2:21:58] affected by the project at the recent
[2:22:01] public hearing tanasa stated their
[2:22:03] intent to tweak the Project based on
[2:22:06] public input if they really wanted
[2:22:08] public input why not include the public
[2:22:11] as stakeholders in their original
[2:22:13] application thank you thank
[2:22:18] you Brad Anderson
[2:22:20] [Applause]
[2:22:38] well listen to this dude over here talk
[2:22:40] about
[2:22:41] safety with this particular thing is
[2:22:44] like listening to a Boeing exec tell me
[2:22:47] about where all the emergency doors are
[2:22:50] when the plane
[2:22:52] crashes but anyway what I'd like to
[2:22:55] speak I have a family member who is on
[2:22:58] one of the head boards for the Hanford
[2:23:01] nuclear
[2:23:02] plant and 30 years
[2:23:05] ago when I visit him over in
[2:23:09] Kenwick he was quite excited he had had
[2:23:13] 20 years worth of work on the
[2:23:16] books 20 years later I go over there and
[2:23:20] they've got 30 years work on the books
[2:23:23] all in the development of the
[2:23:25] containment of the
[2:23:28] uh uh
[2:23:30] waste so I'm sure what these guys must
[2:23:35] realize that technology
[2:23:39] advances and if the technology advances
[2:23:43] while you're building one of your
[2:23:45] plants do you stop and like they did
[2:23:49] over a hand which they're still every
[2:23:51] time they build something they have to
[2:23:54] tear it down and rebuild something else
[2:23:57] because technology has caught up with
[2:23:59] them do you guys plan to do the same
[2:24:03] type of procedure if you're granted the
[2:24:05] permits to operate in this County as a
[2:24:09] technology for your containment of your
[2:24:11] batteries
[2:24:12] progresses what do you do do you change
[2:24:15] it to come up to date or you just put it
[2:24:19] in there and say well we talk to you in
[2:24:21] 20
[2:24:22] years that's
[2:24:25] uh anyway yeah you can book it back to
[2:24:28] Oklahoma or
[2:24:30] whatever all
[2:24:33] right Brianna
[2:24:36] Zamora Brianna Zamora that's
[2:24:48] okay so I had to change my thing a
[2:24:51] little bit because I wanted to address
[2:24:52] one of the things that was said um
[2:24:54] before I go into my Spiel I wanted to
[2:24:56] bring up the comment that was made from
[2:24:58] over here about no best fire incidents
[2:25:02] in the last five years just a quick
[2:25:05] Google search and I found two
[2:25:06] independent studies done oh that was
[2:25:09] just really quick and best fires have
[2:25:12] trended steadily from 2020 just in 2023
[2:25:16] there was 15 per the study um I'll post
[2:25:19] the link with all the charts on the
[2:25:22] Facebook group for
[2:25:23] everybody um let's
[2:25:27] see so I've lived in scad County my
[2:25:30] entire life of 33 years I've been a CED
[2:25:33] woly resident for over 15 years I've
[2:25:36] worked construction locally in the
[2:25:38] laborers union for over a decade mostly
[2:25:40] in the oil and gas industry um
[2:25:44] particularly focused in OSHA industrial
[2:25:47] safety regulations and also on public
[2:25:50] projects like this gadg of river bridge
[2:25:52] collaps I'm an avid fisherman and
[2:25:55] Outdoorsman while simultaneously
[2:25:57] respecting and admiring all the wildlife
[2:26:00] as well as the environment all of my
[2:26:02] friends and neighbors Hunt and Gather
[2:26:04] their own food from the earth we all
[2:26:06] have Orchards or Gardens cattle chickens
[2:26:09] horses and various other plants and
[2:26:11] animals that we water from our
[2:26:14] wells um I'm wholeheartedly opposed to
[2:26:17] this project and just because some of
[2:26:19] mine and other union leaders have spoken
[2:26:22] in favor of the best project in the past
[2:26:25] here um as they will always do to
[2:26:27] support their wallets that does not mean
[2:26:30] it's the right thing this project will
[2:26:32] not significantly impact our union
[2:26:34] membership as a whole it will not create
[2:26:37] create local subst substantial jobs the
[2:26:40] project is temporary and after the
[2:26:42] facility is completely unmanned after
[2:26:45] completion um the facility itself will
[2:26:48] have a significant detrimental impact
[2:26:50] Upon Our Community just from basic
[2:26:52] day-to-day operations and Lord knows a
[2:26:55] flood which can easily happen since
[2:26:57] location is in a flood plane result in a
[2:27:00] catastrophic failure will impact our
[2:27:02] community and ecosystem for life
[2:27:05] especially Hansen's Creek which has been
[2:27:07] talked about a lot um and the gadget
[2:27:10] river which is the only Puget Sound
[2:27:12] river system with all five Pacific
[2:27:14] salmon species importantly the scad
[2:27:17] river has three salmonoid species listed
[2:27:19] as threatened under the endangered spe
[2:27:22] Species Act Bol trout steel head and the
[2:27:25] largest remaining runs of threatened
[2:27:28] puic sound shinuk salmon which are the
[2:27:30] key prey species for our endangered puic
[2:27:33] puit sound
[2:27:36] orcas I am a human being before I am my
[2:27:39] job title I will always put a human life
[2:27:41] my family safety in the community first
[2:27:45] before the size of my wallet I urge
[2:27:47] everyone involved to do the same thank
[2:27:49] you thank
[2:27:56] you Jennifer
[2:28:07] Washington first I'd like to say thank
[2:28:09] you to you mayor and the city council my
[2:28:11] name is Jennifer Washington and I'm the
[2:28:12] chairman of the uppers scet
[2:28:14] tribe Scott Skyler has already spoke um
[2:28:19] I concur with with a lot that has been
[2:28:21] said here and mainly I just wanted to
[2:28:24] come and say that the upper scad tribe
[2:28:28] stands with the city of Cesar
[2:28:34] woolly
[2:28:36] so I got several
[2:28:39] calls uh wondering why is the tribe
[2:28:42] standing by next to this we're not that
[2:28:45] was never said that was not not our
[2:28:48] intent we will be drafting a letter and
[2:28:51] we do stand with the community I'm born
[2:28:54] raised CED wooly we stand with you we're
[2:28:58] here we will fight we will do what we
[2:29:00] need to do and we are strong we are
[2:29:03] strong
[2:29:04] Community that's it thank you and have a
[2:29:06] wonderful evening thank you
[2:29:14] Jennifer Kevin dyra
[2:29:27] excuse me my name is Kevin dyra I'd like
[2:29:30] to thank you for very uh showing great
[2:29:32] decorum and respect in a hostile crowd I
[2:29:35] respectfully disagree with your proposal
[2:29:38] and council members uh there's such a
[2:29:40] thing as yielding my time I have a
[2:29:41] question what do we as Citizens do to
[2:29:43] stop this Andor what do we as Citizens
[2:29:45] do to support you in stopping this
[2:29:48] proposal thank you
[2:29:56] your very presence here today is very
[2:29:58] supportive I'm sorry your very presence
[2:30:01] here this evening is very
[2:30:04] supportive Connie
[2:30:12] Miller Madame mayor and City Council
[2:30:14] Members I wanted to First say thank you
[2:30:17] so much for being our voice tonight we
[2:30:20] have not as Citizens had an opportunity
[2:30:23] to ask these questions that you have
[2:30:25] asked on our behalf and you did a really
[2:30:28] outstanding job there were so many of
[2:30:30] the questions I've been concerned about
[2:30:33] and of course our community has been
[2:30:34] concerned about as well so we greatly
[2:30:37] appreciate that I also want to thank you
[2:30:39] for allowing us to be here in your study
[2:30:41] session during a public forum again it
[2:30:43] gives the community a voice and a way
[2:30:45] for us to be able to not only understand
[2:30:48] what's going on but for you to as well
[2:30:50] how passionately we all are concerned
[2:30:52] about this task um and I I want to
[2:30:55] reiterate just what the previous speaker
[2:30:57] had said um I would like to encourage
[2:31:00] each of you with your capacity as
[2:31:03] Community leaders and leaders here in
[2:31:05] Cedro wooly to see if there's a way that
[2:31:07] you can communicate with the folks
[2:31:09] you've been dealing with at Puget Sound
[2:31:11] Energy to see what is happening with the
[2:31:13] disparity of information that you've
[2:31:16] received in reporting directly from them
[2:31:18] about the grid versus what we're hearing
[2:31:20] from this uh organization here tonight I
[2:31:23] would be as a citizen very interested in
[2:31:25] the results of those questions that you
[2:31:28] might want to inquire with Puget Sound
[2:31:30] Energy and again I would also like to
[2:31:33] know if there's anything that you might
[2:31:34] recommend that we as Citizens do either
[2:31:36] through continuing to work with the city
[2:31:38] council or on our own to try to appeal
[2:31:41] to FC or whatever organization at the
[2:31:44] state level are really making the
[2:31:46] decisions that affect our local
[2:31:47] community if there's anything that you
[2:31:50] might have as a resource for us as you
[2:31:51] can see we are highly motivated and very
[2:31:54] passionate we would be very willing to
[2:31:56] cooperate with you on that behalf thank
[2:31:58] you thank
[2:32:05] you Daryl
[2:32:16] fuzel good
[2:32:17] evening my name is Daryl f I'm a retired
[2:32:20] CEO of a tech company I'm a resident of
[2:32:24] scet County and before I start I'd like
[2:32:27] to commend commissioner
[2:32:29] Browning where are
[2:32:32] you and commissioner weon for their
[2:32:37] stand publicly against this project also
[2:32:41] this
[2:32:42] Council this is very important I have a
[2:32:45] recommendation as a CEO I sat here and I
[2:32:48] listened to everything that's said
[2:32:50] I am EMP my empathy to this company over
[2:32:54] here is I know what it is to want to
[2:32:57] expand and go somewhere else and do
[2:32:59] something I do have a question that you
[2:33:02] don't have to answer but how many of
[2:33:04] these projects do you have in
[2:33:09] Nebraska I heard you say in the
[2:33:11] presentation whether I heard it wrong or
[2:33:13] not that the county set aside some
[2:33:17] property and then I heard commissioner
[2:33:19] we and commissioner brownie refute
[2:33:24] that I'll get back to that in just a
[2:33:26] moment I'm not going to use all of my
[2:33:28] three
[2:33:30] minutes as a CEO I would say that your
[2:33:34] environmental study was very weak I
[2:33:37] can't imagine anybody working for me
[2:33:41] presenting such a ill
[2:33:44] prepared
[2:33:47] presentation I can't imagine anybody in
[2:33:49] this room saying sign me up just doesn't
[2:33:53] it doesn't
[2:33:58] wash Riley spoke about earthquakes great
[2:34:03] Point nothing was said by you about the
[2:34:06] earthquakes but I have something to say
[2:34:09] for the fire
[2:34:10] departments how much money are you going
[2:34:13] to pay in advance to the fire department
[2:34:15] you heard that they're
[2:34:17] volunteer that you're going to use to
[2:34:19] prepare them in equipment not just
[2:34:23] education they don't need to sit through
[2:34:25] an hour's worth of seminar they're going
[2:34:27] to need money for equipment to fight
[2:34:31] whatever we don't know is
[2:34:34] coming that wasn't mentioned here
[2:34:37] tonight so you wouldn't get my vote is
[2:34:40] what I'm
[2:34:41] saying now everybody in this room
[2:34:44] remembers the national political move
[2:34:47] that was made
[2:34:49] let's just pass this so that we can see
[2:34:52] what's in
[2:34:54] it not in CED willly not in scet
[2:35:00] County we believe what Reagan said
[2:35:05] trust but
[2:35:10] verify I have two recommendations for
[2:35:13] everybody in this room but before I give
[2:35:16] that under the power of my
[2:35:19] constitutional right and Free Speech I'm
[2:35:22] going to ask a show of hands of
[2:35:24] everybody that's opposed to this project
[2:35:27] in scet
[2:35:28] County I only did that for you people
[2:35:31] over
[2:35:33] here here's my
[2:35:36] recommendation as County residents we
[2:35:39] don't know anybody in Olympia that we
[2:35:41] can get on the
[2:35:43] phone and say stop
[2:35:47] this we're not in favor of it
[2:35:51] but get a hold of your Council people
[2:35:54] not just tonight tomorrow and all the
[2:35:58] way till Friday and all next week and
[2:36:01] you've got two Commissioners in this
[2:36:03] room they if they don't know who to call
[2:36:05] in
[2:36:06] Olympia they know that they can call
[2:36:09] somebody that they can make your voice
[2:36:12] heard in Olympia talk to them they're
[2:36:18] here I heard over and over again tonight
[2:36:22] the same word over and over again so
[2:36:25] here's my recommendation to
[2:36:28] you the same word that I heard up here
[2:36:32] fight and I believe it this is a is it a
[2:36:46] Chris Parks and Jim kins is that right
[2:36:51] or is that a
[2:36:57] mistake if not that believe it or not
[2:37:00] concludes public comment
[2:37:06] yes
[2:37:11] sure I don't see anybody online thank
[2:37:14] you my name is Suzanne roner um I'm
[2:37:16] somewhat of an outsider I'm from anac
[2:37:18] Cordis but I'm here for you guys um just
[2:37:21] to um Echo what Val said earlier about
[2:37:24] um tanasa trying to do this in other
[2:37:27] places I a quick search online revealed
[2:37:29] that both Renton and Covington were
[2:37:31] approached for this so perhaps the city
[2:37:33] council can give them a call and find
[2:37:35] out their strategy for saying no to this
[2:37:38] um another thing about the 2,000 200,000
[2:37:42] homes for four hours that's the energy
[2:37:44] this will provide um and the assumption
[2:37:48] is that sket County will will benefit
[2:37:50] from this um in a true emergency it
[2:37:52] would go to hospitals and other
[2:37:54] emergency um areas but remember 2 years
[2:37:57] ago pet Sound Energy replaced every
[2:38:00] electrical meter in this County with a
[2:38:03] two-way system so that they can shut
[2:38:05] your energy off without even showing up
[2:38:07] at your home so if you if we think we're
[2:38:10] going to get some of that energy in a
[2:38:12] true emergency I think we're diluted um
[2:38:17] and then also the slide on the
[2:38:18] decommission of the the uh facility and
[2:38:23] quote current land use is preserved
[2:38:25] after the life of the project so since
[2:38:27] this is G egg NRL land my assumption is
[2:38:30] that land will be tractor ready ready to
[2:38:33] put seed in it when they're done with
[2:38:35] this project I'm hoping that's what they
[2:38:37] mean when they say it will be returned
[2:38:39] to the pre U present
[2:38:41] use um and then I just want to also
[2:38:44] mention I was at the uh first meeting
[2:38:47] and several people mentioned that they
[2:38:49] had no notice a very short notice and
[2:38:52] then after the meeting we were told if
[2:38:54] we wanted to make public comment that
[2:38:56] would be part of the record we had until
[2:38:58] I think 9:00 that night to do it and I
[2:39:00] thought that was a little bit um short
[2:39:03] notice and a little bit
[2:39:05] disingenuous and then the last thing
[2:39:07] where is that um after the last meeting
[2:39:10] I went and talked to one of the um
[2:39:12] presenters who's not here tonight but at
[2:39:16] that meeting they mentioned that since
[2:39:18] this is a major utility project there is
[2:39:22] a conditional use in the code for that
[2:39:26] and I went and approached that gentleman
[2:39:27] he was an older gentleman short in
[2:39:29] stature uh he was sitting on the right
[2:39:32] hand table as you look at at the uh
[2:39:35] Podium up there I can't remember his
[2:39:37] name but he I asked him where do I find
[2:39:39] that definition and he didn't tell me
[2:39:41] but he said that the Planning Commission
[2:39:45] suggested it be called or be determined
[2:39:48] to be a major utility project so it
[2:39:51] could have the conditional use
[2:39:53] exemption and so that I didn't that made
[2:39:57] me wonder what in the hell's going on um
[2:39:59] so I think it's something that I don't
[2:40:02] know I tried to figure out how to do
[2:40:03] something about it but I didn't know
[2:40:05] where to look so that's what I was told
[2:40:08] that the Planning Commission said this
[2:40:09] should be called a major utility project
[2:40:11] so they could use conditional use so for
[2:40:15] what it's worth thank you all right
[2:40:16] thank you
[2:40:24] yes can I have one minute sure thank you
[2:40:28] very much um give your name and my name
[2:40:31] is Bill Schmidt I'm with the sketa
[2:40:34] County Farm Bureau and we're very
[2:40:36] concerned about the Farmland but I
[2:40:38] didn't hear one thing all night and
[2:40:40] that's alternative rate of return we
[2:40:43] have a lot of water we have
[2:40:44] hydroelectric why can't we make our
[2:40:46] hydroelectric a little more efficient
[2:40:48] for this amount of money or why can't we
[2:40:50] put in another generator for the
[2:40:53] hydroelectric I had nobody talk about
[2:40:55] Alternatives here really and I think
[2:40:57] we're in a beautiful place for hydro
[2:40:59] thank you all right thank
[2:41:01] [Applause]
[2:41:08] you hi I'm me hall Port of Gadget and uh
[2:41:11] District three and we heard this
[2:41:13] presentation about six weeks ago and all
[2:41:15] three Commissioners at the Port of scadu
[2:41:17] are not in favor of this and we had a
[2:41:19] power meeting yesterday to discuss it
[2:41:21] even deeper and uh the position of PSC
[2:41:25] is a little wrong for what they
[2:41:26] presented to you it depends on which
[2:41:28] substation you're talking about there is
[2:41:30] a shortage of power in sket County it's
[2:41:31] just not in Cedar woolly yet so anyway
[2:41:34] but I just wanted to express I really
[2:41:36] appreciate Val mullen's presentation
[2:41:38] because uh many people don't consider
[2:41:40] the CO2 made over there is still CO2 we
[2:41:43] put up with over here and all those
[2:41:44] railroad cars that go by every day are
[2:41:46] going to China and they're making CO2
[2:41:49] and that's how these batteries are going
[2:41:50] to be made so anyway but just to let you
[2:41:52] know uh uh Porter Gadget is not in
[2:41:54] support of of this project thank
[2:42:00] you here is there anybody
[2:42:04] online that wishes to speak I thought I
[2:42:06] saw a Garrett Shad is that
[2:42:14] correct a guess a GG uh please state
[2:42:17] your name
[2:42:20] um Germaine corn oh hello
[2:42:23] Jermaine hi I'm sorry I couldn't change
[2:42:25] my name on there um I just had a
[2:42:27] question about or I don't know if anyone
[2:42:30] remembers it's basically a statement but
[2:42:32] I don't know if anyone
[2:42:34] remembers uh quite a few years ago when
[2:42:37] a teus bottling plant was trying to come
[2:42:40] into
[2:42:41] anoris and um it sounds like the same
[2:42:44] deal uh they tried Everett they tried
[2:42:47] many other town
[2:42:49] locally um for just a few jobs um they
[2:42:53] were going to put a train track across
[2:42:55] the
[2:42:56] Estuary it sounds exactly the same and I
[2:43:00] would I would encourage anyone to um
[2:43:02] start looking into that um we F that
[2:43:05] Sandra Spargo was the woman behind
[2:43:07] fighting that little old lady and we got
[2:43:10] behind her and I remember the these
[2:43:11] meetings and we organized and got them
[2:43:14] out of here along with former mayor Mike
[2:43:16] Anderson who walked in on uh Dean
[2:43:19] Maxwell signing something behind closed
[2:43:21] doors so I mean I really feel like this
[2:43:24] is the same kind
[2:43:27] of deal all over
[2:43:29] again but that history is there if we
[2:43:32] can just look into that and somebody
[2:43:34] else mentioned other things that that
[2:43:36] happen behind closed doors and like yeah
[2:43:39] so anyways I'm just saying this isn't
[2:43:40] the first time that we've seen
[2:43:43] this thank you and thank you guys so
[2:43:45] much for all these questions the
[2:43:46] questions were amazing
[2:43:49] thank you
[2:43:53] jine is there anybody
[2:43:57] else okay seeing no hands are
[2:44:02] raised that is it that will conclude um
[2:44:06] the public comment for the evening um I
[2:44:10] want to thank you all for being here
[2:44:11] tonight for your honesty for the support
[2:44:13] for the love not only the love of the
[2:44:15] city but for the love of our community
[2:44:18] and um just want to State again that
[2:44:20] this is you know this this isn't
[2:44:22] anything that uh we had brought forth we
[2:44:24] don't really have a say so in the the
[2:44:27] council doesn't have a say so in what
[2:44:31] any of these uh developers or um utility
[2:44:36] uh agencies would like to do but we can
[2:44:39] stand with you in writing the letters
[2:44:41] and we will we are going to do that that
[2:44:43] is Our intention um we're going to put
[2:44:45] together a letter and we're going to
[2:44:46] submit it just as the tribe is intending
[2:44:49] to do so thank you again so much for
[2:44:52] being here tonight and have a good
[2:44:53] evening safe
[2:44:57] evening okay and city council um I am
[2:45:01] getting ready to adjourn but just a
[2:45:02] reminder we do have a closed session and
[2:45:04] it won't take
[2:45:06] long are
[2:45:08] we all that oh my gosh I don't I think
[2:45:13] this would take way too
[2:45:14] long sorry
[2:45:19] take close yeah hello there I almost got
[2:45:23] up and spoke and then I thought
[2:45:24] everybody said everything yeah they did
[2:45:26] didn't
[2:45:30] they yeah they were weren't they
[2:45:36] yeah oh thank you thank
[2:45:46] you thank you yeah
[2:45:51] yeah they did well done well done
[2:46:01] yeah I know
[2:46:03] [Laughter]
[2:46:10] Judy
[2:46:12] okay thank
[2:46:14] you great
[2:46:17] names thank you thank you yeah
[2:46:21] absolutely I think it's great that the
[2:46:24] community is coming together like
[2:46:33] this as well hey I want to ask you I got
[2:46:36] your membership of course for screw so
[2:46:38] thank you um did you get a book the anti
[2:46:42] Communist Manifesto book okay I will
[2:46:46] we're doing that as a book club fabulous
[2:46:49] and everyone that signed up in 2024 gets
[2:46:51] one as a thank you so I'll make sure I
[2:46:54] have to order a couple more I'll make
[2:46:56] okay have my number I do I do thank you
[2:46:58] rile appreciate
[2:47:12] it I thought you did a great job not ask
[2:47:15] about the whole I think the whole thing
[2:47:19] to understand our
[2:47:22] in son
[2:47:42] ofct weely
[2:48:15] okay I'm going to say we are adjourned
[2:48:16] but we do have close session so we'll
[2:48:18] move to the back
[2:48:47] here
[2:49:17] e
[2:51:17] for
[2:51:47] e e