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It is 9.30, and I'm going to officially call the Tuesday, August 25th, meeting of the Board of County Commissioners and Seminole County to order. If you would, I would like to invite Pastor Bob Melhorn from the Integrity Church up, and he is going to do our indication as well as lead us in the pledge. Thank you, Pastor.

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Good morning, everyone. It is a pleasure to see you. Let's pray.

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Holy one, you are the creator of all things.

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and we never cease to marvel that we dwell in a land where we can elect our

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leaders to shape the future of our community. We would ask that those

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sometimes we get frustrated with the workings of democracy, with the

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controversies, with the conflict, help us to remember how fortunate, how blessed

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we are, how we are the envy of the world. You are a God of abundance, but it seems to us that

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in our commission meetings, month after month, the issues are always financial. It seems that

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the costs of everything are continually rising and the resources are limited and we ask our leaders

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to negotiate a narrow path between providing services and restricting spending and all this with

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an amendment looming on the ballot in November. And so we would pray for wisdom for our leaders,

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and we would ask you would remind us that you are indeed a generous God, a God of provision,

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and you have never failed us.

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I ask your blessing upon our county commissioners, our county manager,

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our county attorney, all who are in the employee of Seminole County and all who

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make Seminole County their home. All this in Jesus' name, amen. Amen.

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I pledge that you should rely on the United States of America and to the Republic for

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I want to express my appreciation for you, including our team in your prayer.

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They are the ones that deliver for our citizens every day.

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We just get to come here and make executive decisions.

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They do the hard work.

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So thank you for that.

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All right.

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We are going to move to awards, presentations, and proclamations.

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And I'd be remiss if I didn't say that.

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that we have wanted the most athletic counties in, I think in the country, so there's quite a few of them this morning, but we are going to start with

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proclaiming the month of September 2026 as National Recovery Month in Seminole County, and this will be read by Commissioner Constantine.

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Thank you very much, Madam Chair. I will move the proclamation of Seminole County Board of County Commissioners proclaiming the month of September

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for 2026 as National Recovery Month, whereas Seminole County is committed to ensuring

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the safety and security of all residents and visitors of Seminole County, and whereas

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more than 48 million Americans have experienced substance abuse disorders in the past year,

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and whereas substance use disorders affect individuals of every age, race, ethnicity,

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social, economic, background, and community impacting not only those living with the disease, but also their families, friends, neighbors, and co-workers.

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And whereas recovery is strengthening through, strengthened through compassion, understanding, community support, and the elimination of stigma, a power empowering individuals to seek help and thrive in recovery. And whereas prevention treatment, recovery, support, services, and harm reduction strategies, including access to knocks, knocks, knocks, knocks.

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Now, Oxon, save lives and provide pathways to hope, healing, and long-term recovery.

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And whereas Seminole County is committed to increasing community awareness of the dangers

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of illegal substance use.

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And whereas Seminole County Community Health Division was collaboratively with health care

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providers, first responders, behavioral health professionals, recovery organizations, schools,

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faith-based organizations, community partners, and individuals with lived experiences to

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promote recovery and connect residents with vital resources. And whereas National Recovery Month

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provides an opportunity to celebrate the resilience and achievements of individuals in recovery

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honor the dedicated professionals, peers, families, and volunteers who support them,

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and reaffirm our commitment to ensure that recovery is possible for everyone.

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Now, therefore, be it proclaimed that Seminole County Board of County Commissioners

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hereby proclaims the month of September, 2026, as National Recovery Month in Seminole County,

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Florida, and encourages all residents to recognize the importance of prevention,

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Treatment, Recovery, Support Services, and Community Partnerships while working together to reduce the stigma and ensure that every individual has the opportunity to pursue hope, healing, and recovery adopted on August 25th, 2026.

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Thanks.

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Second.

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We have a motion in three seconds.

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Is there further discussion?

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Hearing none.

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All those in favor?

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Aye.

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Passes unanimously.

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Thank you.

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All right.

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And I think we have Mr. Margolis here to accept the proclamation.

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If you'd like to come up and say a few words, we would be happy to have you.

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We'll do all of our pictures at the end, so we're not coming and going from the dius,

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but we would love to hear from you.

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Thank you for the work you do in our community.

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Hello, everyone.

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Everyone, I appreciate very much the support that Seminole County Board of Commissioners and the other organizations within Seminole County have given recovery connections over the past few years to help us with the job of helping individuals with recovery support concerns and issues.

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And I think it's been something that over time has been successful with our partners from the Sheriff's Department,

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from Advent Health and the other organizations that we do business with.

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So thank you very much for the proclamation and for the ongoing support.

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And that's all I have to thank you.

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Thank you, sir.

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Thank you.

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All right, the next proclamation is proclaiming September 11th, 2026 as Patriot Day in Seminole County, and this will be read by Commissioner Lockhart.

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Commissioner, I move the following proclamation of the Seminole County Board of

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County commissioners proclaiming September 11th, 2026 as Patriot Day in Seminole County.

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Whereas the citizens of Seminole County join communities throughout our nation in solemnly

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observing Patriot Day and commemorating the 25th anniversary of September 11th, 2001.

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Honoring the lives lost and the heroes who answered the call to serve.

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And whereas the events of September 11, 2001, forever changed our nation and remain a lasting

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reminder of the courage, compassion, and resilience demonstrated in the face of tragedy.

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And whereas on that tragic day, firefighters, law enforcement officers, emergency medical

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personnel, military members, and civilians demonstrated extraordinary courage and selflessness, placing

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the safety of others before their own, and whereas we honor the more than 400 first responders

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who made the ultimate sacrifice, as well as the countless responders, volunteers,

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and citizens who risked their lives to help others. And whereas the legacy of September 11th

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continues to be felt by survivors, first responders, military personnel, families, and communities

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across our nation, whose sacrifices remain an enduring part of our history. And whereas

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As Patriot Day provides an opportunity to remember those who lost their lives,

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honor the sacrifices of their families, and express our gratitude to those who protect and serve our communities each day.

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25th anniversary provides an opportunity to reflect upon the enduring values of freedom, service, unity, and resilience that strengthen our nation and our community. Now, therefore, be it proclaimed that the Seminole County Board of County Commissioners, hereby recognizes September 11th, 2026 as Patriot Day in Seminole County, Florida. Be it further proclaimed that the Seminole County Board of County Commissioners encourages all residents to pause on September 11th in remembrance of those who are

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lost, honor those who served and sacrificed, and reaffirm the importance of coming

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together in times of diversity, adopt at this 25th day of August, 2026.

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Second.

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We have a motion and four seconds.

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Any further discussion? All those in favor?

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Aye.

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Opposed, hearing none, passes unanimously, and I think we have Chief Kinley.

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Chief Kinley, we welcome you to the podium to say a few words.

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McKinley for the record fire chief someone county fire department.

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Thank you for this recognition today, as we continue to honor the 2,977 people who lost their lives that day.

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Along specifically with the 343 firefighters, all in public safety ran towards that danger as others were running away to provide everybody to help that they could.

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along with that, to continue to recognize our public safety personnel in uniform that continue to this day in this community to respond to people's worst moment in their lives.

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And often the first ones that they talk to, the first ones that they see, and perfect formal government.

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You dial 911, we respond, we solve your problem, and then we leave you alone.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you for reminding us of those numbers.

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All right.

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Well, the next thing we have on the agenda is certainly a celebration worth celebrating.

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It is our student athlete resolutions, recognizing our athletic, I shouldn't say hour.

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Your athletic accomplishments, let's be clear about that.

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Your athletic accomplishments and those of your coaches.

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The first one is Haggerty High School softball team, and this will be read by Commissioner D'Lari.

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Thank you, Madam Chair.

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A moment ago, you said, you're right, but when you said this, how we're extremely proud

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of our student athletes and that they recognize nationally, and they are.

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And I will tell you, it used to be where the three states you always had to worry about performing

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in was California, Texas, and Florida.

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Those are the three big states, because of the weather and the size of them.

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Well, now it's Seminole County and I will tell you to say that we are proud of you all

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in all the different schools is we can't echo enough.

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I saw these young ladies play last year when they came running her up.

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The weather was a factor, the lake, the delay was a factor and then it came back the following

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year this year to win all and to say that we are proud doesn't really go far enough.

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You all are true leaders, not just your sport, but in your school and in the community.

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So with that, Madam Chair, this is my distinct honor to read this resolution.

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Resolution of the Summary County Board of County Commission is recognized in the 2026

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High School softball team as state champions.

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Whereas the Board of County Commission of the Summary County recognizes the importance of girls,

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in developing leadership, leadership, confidence, teamwork, perseverance, while celebrating the accomplishments of these student athletes who represent their school and community with pride in distinction.

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Whereas Seminole, as we're a Hagerie High School Husky softball team, captured the Florida High School Athletic Association class A7 State Championship in 2026, demonstrating exceptional athletic ability.

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commitment to achieving the highest standard of success, and whereas finishing as the 2025

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Florida State AA class 7A State Championship runner-up, Huskies returned in 2026 with determination

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of resilience overcoming the disappointment of falling short the previous season and completing their

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championship journey with the 2-0 victory over Weston High School at Boomba,

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Soljus Creek Park in Longwood, Florida, located in some of the county.

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And whereas the Huskies Championship performance was highlighted by an

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outstanding pitching, defense, teamwork, excellence, execution, reflecting in a

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in preparation.

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Education and commitment to displaying throughout the season by student athletes and coaching staff, and whereas under the leadership and guidance of head coach, Tom Curling, and Haggity High School softball program has established a culture of excellent, built on discipline, accountability, sportsmanship, and continued development of student athletes on both on and off the field. And whereas recent retired athletic director, Jay Getty,

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We helped establish a tradition of excellence within Haggity High School, athletics, and

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the athletic director, Jacob Kaboon, now continues the legacy by supporting student athletes,

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and the athletic program for striving, success in both on and off the field.

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And whereas Haggity High School, Husky's softball team achieved both great pride to

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Haggity High School and summer accounting by serving as an inspiration to the young athletes.

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and reinforcing the value of perseverance, teamwork, and dedication and commitment to excellence.

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Now, therefore, we resolve by the Board of County Commission of Summoner County that the board recognizes the commitment that Haggity High School Husky softball team for winning the 2026 Florida State AA class 7A state softball state championship.

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But it can extend to six year, congratulations for the athletics, athletes, coaches, and families,

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administration, and supporters whose dedication and hard work continues to be outstanding achievement adopted

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as 25th day of August 20th, 20th, 20th, 26th.

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Second.

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We have a motion to second all those in favor.

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Aye.

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Opposed, hearing none, it passes unanimously.

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The athlete to sit down and let the coaches be recognized for a second, that would be awesome.

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So you're

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welcome, congratulations ladies and coaches.

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All right, the next one will be read by Commissioner Constantine, the Lake Hall, a high school boys volleyball team.

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As Commissioner D'Lori said, I mean, this is becoming an every meeting event and today because we wouldn't want to go all the way through the holidays.

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case, we have four teams and it's just amazing that Seminole County just continues to kick

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but time and time again so I would move the resolution of the Seminole County Board

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of County Commissioners recognizing that 2026 lake how high school boys volleyball team

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as state champions.

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Whereas Seminole County proudly recognizes the outstanding achievements of the student

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athletes and the positive representation they bring to the community through excellence

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and competition.

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And whereas Lake Hall High School Silver Hawks boys volleyball team achieved an historic

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Mark Milestone by winning the Florida High School Athletic Association Class 2A State

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Boys Volleyball Championship in 2026, marking back-to-back state championships.

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And whereas the Silver Hawks finished the season with a 17-game winning streak going 27

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and five overall. Defeating Archbishop McCarthy, three sets to one in the semi-finals. The Silver

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Hawks secured their championship in a thrilling contest against Hopsie, Bell and Jesuit, sweeping

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all three sets, 27, 25, 26, 24, 31, 29. And whereas the Lake Cowboys volleyball team overcame

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diversity and demonstrated resilience, determination, and

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composure under pressure, exemplifying the highest ideals of

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sportsmanship and competitive experience.

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And whereas the team's success reflects the leadership of

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head coach, Scott Lehman, who commitment to excellence,

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character, and development and community pride has played a

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pivotal role in the program's historic achievement.

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And whereas the championship reflects the dedication of the coaching staff, the student athletes, the families, the school administrators and supporters whose collective effort contributed to the remarkable success.

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And whereas the achievement has brought significant recognition to Seminole County and serves as an inspiration.

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To youth throughout the community, to pursue excellence in both on and off the court. Now therefore, be it resolved that we, the Board of County Commissioners of Seminole County, Florida, do hereby congratulate the Lake County High School Boys volleyball team for winning the 2026 Florida High School Athletic Association Class 2A State Championship and extends its sincere congratulations to the players, coaches, families and supporters for the history.

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historic accomplishment adopted this 25th, August, 20th, 20th, 26th.

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We have a motion in a second.

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All those in favor?

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Aye.

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Opposed?

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Hearing none, oppose the passage unanimously.

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Congratulations, gentlemen, if you would be seated and coach,

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just stand for a minute and accept your recognition.

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Congratulations, gentlemen.

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All right, and the next item that we'll be looking at

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That is the Seminole High School Girls Water Polo Team.

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This will be read by myself, Commissioner Hoar, who happens to be a Seminole mom.

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No, no, no, no, I read the following resolution of the Seminole County Board of County Commissioners recognizing the 2026 Seminole High School Girls Water Polo Team as state champions, whereas the Board of County Commissioners of Seminole County recognizes the importance of girls athletics and

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registering leadership, confidence, teamwork, perseverance, and character while celebrating

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the accomplishments of student athletes who represent their schools and community with pride in distinction.

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And whereas the Seminole High School Girls Water Polo Team captured the 2026 Florida High School

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Athletic Association Class 1A State Championship, completing, hold for it, an undefeated 31-0 season

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and further establishing itself as one of Florida's premier high school water polo programs.

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And whereas the Seminole High School girls water polo teams secured the state title with an eight to four victory over West Orange High School on April 25th,

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2026 at Bell and Jesuit Preparatory School in Miami, Florida, earning its second state championship in three years.

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following an undefeated championship season in 2024, while also advancing its fourth consecutive FHSA State Final 4.

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And whereas under the leadership and guidance of head coach Ryan Ackerson, who was named the 2026 FHSA State Coach of the Year,

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the Seminole High School Girls Water Polo Program has built a championship culture centered on excellence, accountability,

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ability, perseverance, and the continued development of student athletics, both in competition

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and in the classroom.

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And whereas Vivian Swain, who was named the 2026 FHSAA State Player of the Year, exemplified

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the outstanding talent, leadership, and dedication that have become hallmarks of the Seminole High

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School Girls Water Polo Program.

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And whereas, the Seminole High School girls' water policy teams historic accomplishments have brought tremendous pride to Seminole High School and Seminole County, inspiring future generations of student athletes while reinforcing the values of hard work, resilience, teamwork and commitment to excellence.

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Now therefore be it resolved that the Board of County Commissioners of Seminole County, Florida, that the board hereby recognizes and

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commands the Seminole High School Girls Water Polo Team for winning the 2026 FHSAA Class

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1A State Championship and extends its sincere appreciation and congratulations to the

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student athletes, coaches, families, administrators and supporters whose dedication

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and hard work contributed to this outstanding achievement.

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Adopted this 25th day of August 2026.

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Second motion and many seconds all those in favor I opposed hearing none it passes unanimously

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Congratulations lady and coach if you would stay standing just for a minute

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I did this a little a little bit differently than the others all round up with this

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I will tell you that one of the things that we look for in the business environment when we are recruiting people to

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So, come in to organizations is athletics in their past. One of the ones I personally look for is

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anything related to being in a pool. It requires you to get up at the crack of dawn,

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probably be there late at night, they're all nodding and laughing. It requires your

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parents to have done the same and it requires a perseverance that's unlike a lot of other

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sports. And that's not to say that we don't also look for band members, so just remember

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You'll be competing with them for jobs as well.

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I would say this, if you would audience please join me in a standing ovation for our student

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athletes in Seminole County.

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Did I forget one?

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Yeah.

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One more team.

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Oh my goodness.

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We have too many teams before we stay here.

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We have too many teams.

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We have teams.

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Stay to the best for last, right?

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Stay to the best.

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Go Bears.

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So I will hand it to the coach who's saying, hey, hold up.

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All right, and we have the winner springs high school softball team to be read by commissioners and bowler who shall never be forgotten.

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Well, we tend to leave the best for last two echo my fellow commissioners.

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You know, this is just another sign of what makes Seminole County such a great place to live, work, and play.

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We've now worked our way completely through the county, recognizing our youth sports around this in Seminole County.

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It's not the first time that we've had teams from out and

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want springs in here, winter springs before, many other places in the community like Mary, a couple times.

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But it just goes to show the commitment that our leaders have taken our coaches that give their time to help support these children.

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and of course the families that make the ultimate sacrifice for these children to be able to do what they can do.

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Builds character, and they are the future leaders of our community, so my hat's off to them.

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With great pleasure, I have this resolution of Seminole County Board of County Commissioners

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recognize that 2026 Wintersprings High School softball team has state champions.

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Whereas the Board of County Commissioners of Seminole County recognizes the impact of girls' athletics

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and building confidence, leadership, team work, and character,

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honoring the dedication and achievements of student athletes

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who bring recognition to pride to their schools and community.

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And whereas the Winter Springs High School Bear softball team

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captured the Florida High School Athletic Association

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Class 5A State Championship in 2026,

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earned back-to-back state championships

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and continued the tradition of excellence

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within one of the Seminole County's premier softball programs.

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programs. And whereas the Bears completed their championship season with a dominant 6-0 victory

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over a niceville high school at Boombas Soldiers Creek Park in Longwood, Florida. Show

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casing, outstanding pitching, defense, team work, and determination throughout the state

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tournament. And whereas the Learn Springs High School softball programs continue success

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reflects the dedication, preparation, and commitment of its student athletes, coaches, families,

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families and school community who have worked together to achieve excellence at the highest

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level of competition.

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And whereas there are the leadership and guidance of head coach Farah Gordon, the Winnersprings

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softball program has developed a championship culture, standard on accountability, perseverance,

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sportsmanship, and the growth of student athletes both on and off the field.

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Whereas athletic director Scott Gomerad provided leadership and support that have helped

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foster a culture of achievement and success within Winnersprings High School

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athletics and whereas the Winnersprings High School bear softball teams

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historic accomplishment has brought tremendous pride to Winnersprings high

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school and Seminole County serving as an inspiration to future generations of

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athletes exemplifying the values of dedication, teamwork and determination. Now

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therefore be resolved by the Board of County Commissioners of Seminole County

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Florida that the board hereby recognize and commends the Winnersprings High

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School Bear softball team for winning the 2026 FHSA class 5A softball state

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championship and extended sincere congratulations to the student athletes,

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coaches, families, administration, and supporters who dedication and hard work

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contributed to this outstanding achievement. Adopted this 25th day, August 2026.

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Second. We have a motion and a lot of seconds. All those in favor?

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All right.

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All right.

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Post hearing none.

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Passage unanimously.

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If you would, please stand.

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And be ready.

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All right.

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Congratulations, congratulations and coaches, just give us a minute to be recognized on your behalf.

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must say the principal regress, she could not be present today. She intended to be here. Sorry.

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They had something to the team's accolades. Over the course of seven playout games they

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set a national record scoring 73 runs and giving up zero for the entire playoff run.

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He's got a young lady's and coaches when he drives late then they can take him again.

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All right.

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That is remarkable. All right, commissioners, if you would join me on the floor

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for pictures, unless there's anybody else that's here at exactly the same place.

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And I'll just say this has nothing to do with the next presenter, but the meetings going downhill from there. Just so you know, and with that, we'll bring up Mr. McIntyre to talk about economics.

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But this is the county investment advisor report.

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I feel the same way. I want all this. 83 runs and no runs or answer just remarkable. All of your athletes, I'm

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over 60, so I'm always got eyesight,

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challenges here, it helps a little bit. So we're not on the verge of a Fed, maybe we've got three

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weeks before. There is a Jackson Hole Fed symposium on Friday and I think the market's going to

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react to that because we're wondering about Fred Credibility at this point because inflation is

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still high and the Fed has decided that they're going to target inflation but they haven't done anything

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yet so we're listening to the words and in the meantime oil and gas prices are creeping higher you

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You know why that is?

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The market is not real thrilled with that.

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There is some signs emerging of labor market weakness.

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The labor market's kind of been all over the place.

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My personal opinion is that the labor market is not strong,

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and I think a lot of that has changes

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that are happening involved in technology.

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We believe the Fed is going to be on hold

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and at least until the...

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December, my expectation is that the Fed is not going to raise rates. The market expressed the Fed will raise rates. I think that, and I've said it before, the new Fed chair was hired with the predisposition to cut rates. So the idea of hurting the economy deliberately by raising rates, which is what the Fed does. They tried to, in essence, cripple demand. So in doing so, the lower price is not just a question of raising rates and suddenly inflation moves lower.

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or demand has to move lower to.

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Then of course, if you guys have been following the newspapers,

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we just hit 40 trillion very quickly in terms of the national debt.

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And what that means is that debt service costs right now above a trillion dollars a year.

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They're expected to be above $2 trillion by 2036, so within 10 years.

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And I think that that theme is going to continue to show up in the newspapers.

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I think that the media is aware of it and the market's aware of it too.

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So long-term rates are higher than they've been in a long time.

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The 30 years as high as it's been in three decades.

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Again, bad news, it's talked about softball, volleyball, water volleyball, all good, economy

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not so much.

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This is just a quick look at GDP that red line is quarter over quarter annualized.

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That shows up.

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The thing really to point out is that last quarter, second quarter, 1.5% economic growth,

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A lot of that had to do with a negative drag from trade and a negative drag from inventories,

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both of which I think are going to be actually throw the other way in the third quarter.

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I think third quarter growth is going to appear fairly strong for what that's worth.

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This is, as I was talking about before, these are non-farm payrolls.

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Last three months, you can actually see the downward trend pretty significantly.

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and the month of July was a negative payroll growth month.

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This is CPI, this is the consumer price index, this headline inflation.

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You can see that it actually is lower over the past two months.

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A lot of that has to do with lower gas prices, lower energy prices in general.

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We know that that's actually reversed itself in August.

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We can see it at the gas pump.

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So that was just sort of a head fake, the Fed knows it.

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This is the two-year Treasury note yield going back one year that line at the bottom is the

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day that the war started so you can see the impact of energy prices on bond yields.

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This is the latest Bloomberg survey, I know it's a little bit difficult to see, I'll point

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out some of the highlights, these are 85 economists that get to weigh in every month.

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They're US economists, they're some of the best in the brightest, although the market expects

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the Fed is going to raise rates. The economists do not. They expect the Fed is going to be

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unhauled. You can see that with currently the overnight rate target by the Fed is 350

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to 375. So this is the upper band staying at 375 until next year. And then these economists

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believe the next move will be a rate cut. I do as well. I believe the economy is not as

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strong as what otherwise indicate these you know the drill here the top tier

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there are the overnight liquidity options and right now the lion's share of the

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Central County's monies is in Florida pond that is managed by federated and

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AAA M rated good place to be US Treasury yields have actually come down a little

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bit since the last time we were here, so you were able to buy your purchases at some

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of the higher yields.

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I don't know if that's, I can't say that's anything other than fortunate, but looking

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at the recent transactions, there was a one year term done at 430, there were two FHLB

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callable trades done at 440 and 460.

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I expect even though those go out to 2 year and 3 year, I expect they'll be called early

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But as we've discussed, I believe that putting on a 440 and a 460 relative to 375 even for six months is going to make sense.

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So every little nickel we can pick up on the tracks contributes to income.

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One of the overlying themes when we're investing is that there's a significant amount of income that comes into your coffers.

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During the Great Recession, rates were at zero, for two years or an pandemic rates were at zero.

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Now rates are generally between three and a half and four and a half percent where you're investing.

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And that generates a lot of interest in coming.

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And what we're trying to do here is safely hold on to as much of that as we can for as long as we can.

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Upcoming maturity, I've spoken to the clerk's office, that maturity that comes on Monday is needed.

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So we're going to go ahead and let that

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That fall into floor to pine. There will be some 35 million actually in the church at the end of September. The needs for that are significantly less. I think we're going to have the opportunity to invest that when we talk at the next meeting. So in essence, what I'm telling you is that we need the liquidity. We invested last time those rates were good. They've added to the overall yield portfolio yield is generally been moving higher.

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So we went from a 395 to 396 with these moves that have set on August 397.

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Most of that gets weighed down by what's fully liquid, which is well below 4%.

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But we need that liquidity.

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So there's the benchmark, I see no county has been doing well, especially given the fact that it's a safe portfolio.

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But I'm going to come back up here.

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I'm going to ask for your motion.

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Mr. Zimbabwe.

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I'll move to implement the recommendations of financial advisor, based on the report you submitted to us today.

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I recommend the clerk implement said board recommendations.

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We have a first and second any discussion, commissioners?

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Seeing none, all those in favor?

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Aye.

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Opposed?

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Passage unanimously.

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Thank you, Scott, for being here.

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Thank you all.

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We are going to take a break for is 1015, we'll be back at 1030, I think we have some setup to do with regard to the second portion of the meeting, so we'll see you back at 1030.

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That would be fabulous.

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Meeting back to order. Thank you all for being patient with us while we got set up. We're ready to move on to the consent agenda. I'll look for additions, deletions or modifications, county manager. Thank you, chairman commissioners. Just one addition to the agenda that was sent to your offices and published on Friday is 19 a mitigation grant, mitigation credits that we have to buy for Rosenwald. So that's the only addition. So staff recommends

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and approval of the Cali-Mainters Consent Agenda.

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Commissioners.

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I have nothing.

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I would actually like to pull item 20 for discussion.

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And that's the only item. So with that, I'll look for public comment. So I'll go to County Attorney to read the rules of public comment. Thank you, Chairman. Good morning. Florida law provides the members of the public. She'll be given a reasonable opportunity to be heard on propositions before the Board of County Commissioners, except when the board is acting on emergency or ministerial matters or conducting a meeting exempt from the requirements of the Sunshine Law. Individuals shall be permitted three minutes each.

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for public comment or six minutes when the individual is an official representative

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of a formal association or group.

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The chairman may modify the maximum time for public comment and her sole discretion

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when appropriate.

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Public comments on quasi judicial or other public hearing items will occur during the board's

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consideration of those items this afternoon.

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Public comments on pending procurement matters are on non-agenda items shall not be permitted

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at this time.

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Members of the public, desiring to make public comment must fill out a speaker form

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and present the form to staff, forms are available in the lobby.

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Chairman.

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Thank you very much, and I have four forms that are being passed down the Dias, all are in support of item 8 and 9.

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All right, Dominique if you would call the first speaker.

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First speaker is Charlene Santos on item 6.

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The Santos, she'll have three minutes.

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Name and address for the record.

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Good morning, my name is Charlene C-H-A-R-L-I-N-E.

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Lasting Santos S-A-N-T-O-S.

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I live at 713 Holbrook Circle, Lake Mary, Florida.

422
00:56:39,020 --> 00:56:41,660
I'm here to speak on agenda item number six.

423
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:47,060
The request to authorize a Sheriff's Office to submit an application to the U.S. Department of Justice.

424
00:56:47,620 --> 00:56:51,580
For the fiscal year 2026, bridging immigration-related deficits,

425
00:56:51,580 --> 00:56:55,360
that's experienced nationwide program round two.

426
00:56:56,020 --> 00:57:00,140
And this is authorized a sheriff to execute future documents related to that grant.

427
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:04,220
While I am fully support of the sheriff's office,

428
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:11,580
and I support bringing federal dollars back to Seminoe County when those dollars benefit our residents,

429
00:57:11,940 --> 00:57:16,980
I also believe that it's important that we fully understand the conditions attached to those dollars.

430
00:57:16,980 --> 00:57:24,000
The document attached to today's agenda do not provide the details of the application

431
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:25,640
of the grant application.

432
00:57:27,340 --> 00:57:31,900
What we have been given is essentially a certification document.

433
00:57:32,220 --> 00:57:36,240
And before this is approved, residents deserve some basic answers.

434
00:57:37,140 --> 00:57:42,240
First, how much money is Seminole County applying for and what will the grant pay for?

435
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:59,100
This federal program supports several activities, personnel, operations, equipment and technology, as well as facilities, including the construction, expansion, and modernization of temporary detention facilities.

436
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:08,400
Secondly, what additional responsibilities or commitments will our sheriff's office take on by accepting the grant?

437
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:16,820
How could those responsibilities affect our neighborhoods, our communities, and the trust residents have in local law enforcement?

438
00:58:17,780 --> 00:58:29,100
And finally, could accepting the grant create future costs for Seminole County taxpayers, once the federal funds ends, especially at a time when residents are feeling squeezed.

439
00:58:30,620 --> 00:58:35,340
These are reasonable questions, I'm not suggesting that we turn down the federal funding.

440
00:58:35,340 --> 00:58:40,720
I am asking that we understand the full agreement before we authorize it.

441
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:45,300
Transparency starts by laying out the basics and also the details.

442
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:50,280
Before we sign, residents deserve to know exactly what we're signing up for.

443
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:51,080
Thanks.

444
00:58:51,660 --> 00:58:52,000
Thank you.

445
00:58:52,220 --> 00:58:52,240
Thank you.

446
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:52,560
Thank you.

447
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:52,860
Next speaker.

448
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:56,660
Next is Emory Green, Jr. on item 9.

449
00:59:00,290 --> 00:59:02,170
Just a green name and address for the record.

450
00:59:02,950 --> 00:59:03,510
Please.

451
00:59:03,930 --> 00:59:04,410
And thank you.

452
00:59:05,630 --> 00:59:06,410
Good morning.

453
00:59:11,210 --> 00:59:17,390
I'm here to speak and support a visionary planning strong advocacy and most importantly action.

454
00:59:18,510 --> 00:59:24,030
This is a simple phrase I believe applies to the proposed indoor events complex along

455
00:59:24,030 --> 00:59:25,430
Lake Mary Boulevard.

456
00:59:26,270 --> 00:59:28,830
Advocacy with our action is just a dream.

457
00:59:30,130 --> 00:59:34,150
Dreaming is necessary because we must believe in what our community can become.

458
00:59:34,910 --> 00:59:40,170
But drains only create impact when leaders are willing to turn vision into action.

459
00:59:41,210 --> 00:59:44,070
We have the perfect example right here in Sanford.

460
00:59:44,950 --> 00:59:48,250
The Sanford Riverwall was not an overnight success.

461
00:59:49,430 --> 00:59:53,870
Its vision was first laid out in the 1980s by then Mayor Betty Smith.

462
00:59:54,830 --> 00:59:59,870
Decay is later after planning, advocacy partnerships, and strategic investment.

463
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:07,880
Assembly, that vision became a five-mile reality. The completed Riverwalk represented approximately

464
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:17,520
$43 million in investment. And what did that investment create? It became a destination

465
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:23,620
that strengthened connections and expanded recreational opportunities. The Sanford Riverwalk

466
01:00:23,620 --> 01:00:30,100
is a lasting asset that reflects the county's motto, Florida's natural choice.

467
01:00:31,380 --> 01:00:38,440
Today, Seminole County has another opportunity to think beyond tomorrow and plan for

468
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:39,980
the next generation.

469
01:00:41,420 --> 01:00:44,940
The proposed indoor events complex is more than a building.

470
01:00:45,540 --> 01:00:51,260
It's an economic development strategy designed to deliver lasting benefits.

471
01:00:51,260 --> 01:00:59,600
As recently reported by the Orlando Sentinel, county tourism officials, and that are concerned

472
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:03,640
that visitor growth has become stagnant in the recent years.

473
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:12,100
The proposed complex could help realize and reverse that trend and enable Seminole County

474
01:01:12,100 --> 01:01:20,400
to attract more tournaments and experiential events, including sports, arts, entertainment,

475
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:25,260
and more. Those visitors stay on hotels, dining restaurants, shopping local

476
01:01:25,260 --> 01:01:30,380
stores, experience our community supporting jobs in a raising tourism related revenue

477
01:01:30,380 --> 01:01:33,200
in Seminole County and throughout Central Florida.

478
01:01:33,820 --> 01:01:38,400
As you know, the Mumbai Sports Complex has been ranked number one amongst

479
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:41,180
America's best youth sports complexes.

480
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:44,120
That tells us something important.

481
01:01:44,780 --> 01:01:46,740
We already have a built reputation.

482
01:01:46,740 --> 01:01:52,700
So now we need the indoor infrastructure to expand the opportunity beyond baseball and

483
01:01:52,700 --> 01:01:54,460
beyond limitations of Florida's weather.

484
01:01:56,080 --> 01:02:03,140
So I encourage you to think about Seminole County and the needs 20, 30 and beyond.

485
01:02:04,020 --> 01:02:09,720
It's important to let us ask what will our community gain tomorrow if we have the courage

486
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:11,160
to add today.

487
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:18,300
Let's support the proposed indoor sports complex, invest in our future, strengthen sports tourism,

488
01:02:18,900 --> 01:02:24,060
create economic opportunity, and demonstrate once again that in Seminole County,

489
01:02:24,060 --> 01:02:28,900
visionary planning is followed by advocacy, and advocacy is followed by action.

490
01:02:29,220 --> 01:02:29,520
Thank you.

491
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:31,160
Thank you, Mr. Green.

492
01:02:31,380 --> 01:02:31,760
Thank you.

493
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:33,560
We have one more speaker.

494
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:34,340
Yes, ma'am.

495
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:35,940
Elliot Griffin on item 14.

496
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:40,020
Mr. Griffin, name and address for the record.

497
01:02:40,020 --> 01:02:46,080
I am Ellie Griffin. I live at 14 Cherry Creek Circle in winter springs, morning commissioners

498
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:53,220
and staff. I'm speaking in strong support of Jind item 14. It's the FDP Resilient Florida

499
01:02:53,220 --> 01:02:57,840
grant proposal. My family and I live on the cross symbol trail. It's great. We use it every

500
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:04,580
day. We've also seen how it can really flood during hurricanes. So curing this grant is

501
01:03:04,580 --> 01:03:08,120
is a crucial step towards fixing product flood zones

502
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:10,180
and several counties, including where I live

503
01:03:10,180 --> 01:03:10,780
in Wintersprinks.

504
01:03:11,980 --> 01:03:13,680
I'd like to thank the county public works

505
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:16,380
for the recent clearing out of culverts and swales

506
01:03:16,380 --> 01:03:17,080
along the trail.

507
01:03:17,980 --> 01:03:20,320
With this maintenance done, we can now see

508
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:23,620
that the aging storm water infrastructures inadequate.

509
01:03:24,020 --> 01:03:26,460
The evidence is unshakable.

510
01:03:26,620 --> 01:03:31,580
There's washed out berms, flooded private property,

511
01:03:32,220 --> 01:03:32,900
eroded trail.

512
01:03:34,580 --> 01:03:38,500
And the trail is really a gem, so there's multiple reasons to address this.

513
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:46,460
We've also observed culverts beneath the 417, which are buried under feet of sediment

514
01:03:46,460 --> 01:03:53,000
from erosion, and with the 417 widening project underway, this can only worsen in the future.

515
01:03:54,020 --> 01:04:01,480
Any ponds that are built to code will overflow and hurricane loads, sending water into that inadequate

516
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:04,160
put in aged infrastructure and towards private property.

517
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:08,280
To solve this, we need true interagency coordination.

518
01:04:08,580 --> 01:04:11,580
I urge the board to bring hydraulic and water resource

519
01:04:11,580 --> 01:04:16,060
engineers together from all jurisdictions and third party firms.

520
01:04:17,300 --> 01:04:20,560
Several large culverts are missing from the 2025

521
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:25,780
order model set up and should be discussed along with flooding

522
01:04:25,780 --> 01:04:26,420
observations.

523
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:29,400
I believe that when engineers sit in a room with accurate data,

524
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:36,160
But real solutions will come forth, including evaluating how paving over parcels like Jet

525
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:38,960
Appoint Park will worsen downhill flooding.

526
01:04:40,220 --> 01:04:44,200
Any potential development on that parcel faces serious site constraints.

527
01:04:44,980 --> 01:04:51,880
Massive runoff from the 417, small and limited access through an assisted living facility in

528
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:58,200
a county trailhead, an active bald eagle's nest, and a very small frontage, which is also

529
01:04:58,200 --> 01:04:59,380
so 417 on ramp.

530
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:29,660
Alternatively, a passive park that's built using existing facilities of the cross-seminal trails could absorb stormwater and recharge our aquifer in a sustainable manner. With regard to tax revenue, please consider that parks increase home value while flooding decreases home value. So please approve this grand application today. Prioritize comprehensive modeling and the How Creek Basin study and leave the regional effort to fix our stormwater infrastructure.

531
01:05:29,660 --> 01:05:30,460
Thank you.

532
01:05:30,580 --> 01:05:31,620
Thank you, L.A.

533
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:32,900
Thank you very much.

534
01:05:33,780 --> 01:05:35,240
Does that complete our public speakers?

535
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:36,340
Thank you.

536
01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:38,080
Commissioners, any comments?

537
01:05:39,660 --> 01:05:39,900
All right.

538
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:42,060
I'll look for a motion for the consent agenda.

539
01:05:42,340 --> 01:05:42,620
I move.

540
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:43,040
Madam Chair.

541
01:05:43,460 --> 01:05:51,180
I'll move the agreement of the Constitutional Officers Consent Agenda 5 and 6, and the County

542
01:05:51,180 --> 01:05:56,600
Managers Consent Agenda 7 through 21, including 19A, but not including 20.

543
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:00,220
We have a motion in a second.

544
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:01,380
All those in favor?

545
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:01,940
Aye.

546
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:03,480
Opposed, hearing none.

547
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:04,260
Thank you.

548
01:06:05,100 --> 01:06:05,260
All right.

549
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:08,920
I pulled item 20 for your consideration.

550
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:16,360
I have worked with the Department of Economic Development and evoke advertising.

551
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:20,900
I believe that that contract should have a cap on the monetization.

552
01:06:21,260 --> 01:06:24,440
So there's a share of revenue.

553
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:41,860
And I would propose that the cap be placed at $100,000 and I hope that every bit of it gets earned because that means we take in $900,000 and I would welcome a re-discussion at the point that we hit that limit so that we consider what we do in the future.

554
01:06:42,020 --> 01:06:49,980
This is the beginning stage of a contract like this and it's just wise for us to put something in it to force the following discussion.

555
01:06:56,100 --> 01:07:04,660
I have a motion to approve your comments to adjust into the contracting agreement as presented with your comments.

556
01:07:04,980 --> 01:07:06,320
I have a motion. Is there a second?

557
01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:06,900
Second.

558
01:07:07,740 --> 01:07:08,720
Is there a further discussion?

559
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:10,860
All those in favor?

560
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:11,500
Aye.

561
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:13,740
Opposed hearing non-passage unanimously.

562
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:15,800
And thank you to evoke advertising.

563
01:07:16,260 --> 01:07:17,260
Thank you, Madam Chair.

564
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:21,780
Madam Chair, Madam Chair, we're getting ready for 22 in the work session.

565
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:29,280
Just wanted to point out, 21 was concerning the UCF research business incubator partnership agreement.

566
01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:38,960
It has just been, since we're talking about accolades today, it has just been named the number one business incubator in the state by time magazine.

567
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:49,160
I have also, so everybody's aware, the City of Winner springs no longer funds, but incubator

568
01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:52,300
makes no contributions as of one year ago.

569
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:55,420
And it's moving to several states in between.

570
01:07:55,580 --> 01:07:55,900
Correct.

571
01:07:58,940 --> 01:08:06,980
So it's, another asset we're losing for my district unfortunately, but this staying in the county

572
01:08:06,980 --> 01:08:07,560
I understand.

573
01:08:07,860 --> 01:08:08,120
In the cap.

574
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:10,240
In a more centralized location.

575
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:13,440
All right, so I'm going to pull this meeting back together.

576
01:08:14,660 --> 01:08:22,560
We have a work session on item number 22, amendment three, budget impacts, and I see Mr. Jax standing at the credit.

577
01:08:23,700 --> 01:08:27,180
And Madam Chairman and commissioners, I'll actually start off if you will.

578
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:33,380
Just a few opening comments, so good morning Chairman and commissioners and to everyone watching.

579
01:08:33,380 --> 01:08:42,480
As you may recall, we met with the board on July 14 to discuss amendment three and the potential financial impacts to Seminole County government.

580
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:53,920
At that meeting, the Office of Management and Budget presented our initial estimates and outlined the steps we are taking to prepare this organization should voters approve the amendment in November.

581
01:08:54,900 --> 01:08:58,800
Today, we move from talking about the dollars to talking about services.

582
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:04,760
Before we do that, I want to put the numbers you are about to hear into perspective.

583
01:09:05,420 --> 01:09:09,640
Seminole County's total budget is approximately 1.3 billion.

584
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:18,480
At first glance, a potential 119 million reduction may appear to be relatively a small percentage of that total.

585
01:09:19,360 --> 01:09:22,060
But county revenues are not interchangeable.

586
01:09:22,060 --> 01:09:26,260
And we have mentioned this at prior meetings, and I think Chairman, you had mentioned

587
01:09:26,260 --> 01:09:31,520
the old ice cube tray in that we cannot move from fund to fund.

588
01:09:32,700 --> 01:09:37,900
Much of our budget consists of revenues that are legally restricted for specific purposes.

589
01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:43,700
Give an example, like tourist development tax dollars cannot simply be redirected

590
01:09:43,700 --> 01:09:46,220
to repair a road or pay a firefighter.

591
01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:51,240
Water and sewer revenues cannot be used to operate a library.

592
01:09:52,180 --> 01:09:59,340
The three funds supported by property taxes have approximately 562 million in total revenues.

593
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:09,580
Under the full implementation of amendment three, we estimate those funds would lose the approximately $119 million in reoccurring revenue.

594
01:10:10,500 --> 01:10:21,300
That is the challenge we are preparing for. Earlier this month, I brought our leadership team together and asked each department to work through a very difficult exercise.

595
01:10:21,300 --> 01:10:26,740
If you're available funding, we're permanently reduced by approximately 20%.

596
01:10:27,180 --> 01:10:31,780
What would that mean for the services that we provide to our residents and business owners?

597
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:36,800
Today, you will hear the results of that work from our Parks and Recreation Department,

598
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:40,780
Public Works, Environmental Services, and Community Services.

599
01:10:41,620 --> 01:10:48,060
At our next meeting on September the 15th, we will continue this discussion with our public safety agencies.

600
01:10:48,060 --> 01:10:55,300
I want to emphasize that you will hear today our staff recommendations and planning scenarios.

601
01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:57,660
No decisions have been made.

602
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:03,540
If amendment three is approved by voters, we will come back to this board to continue these discussions.

603
01:11:04,180 --> 01:11:15,180
Ultimately, decisions about reducing or eliminating county services will be a policy decision made by this board through the budget process and interactions with our citizens.

604
01:11:15,940 --> 01:11:19,140
There is one other point I want to make before we begin.

605
01:11:19,860 --> 01:11:23,480
Similar County government is largely a service organization.

606
01:11:23,980 --> 01:11:27,580
We don't manufacture a product, we don't make anything.

607
01:11:28,280 --> 01:11:34,600
What we do is provide services and these services are provided through and delivered by people.

608
01:11:35,460 --> 01:11:39,580
They are the employees who maintain our roads and our stormwater systems.

609
01:11:39,580 --> 01:11:45,220
They are librarians, park employees, animal service officers, firefighters,

610
01:11:45,620 --> 01:11:51,180
paramedics, and hundreds of other public servants who come to work every day to serve this community.

611
01:11:51,780 --> 01:11:57,400
That means a permanent revenue reduction of this magnitude will affect our workforce.

612
01:11:57,800 --> 01:11:59,800
There is simply no way around it.

613
01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:03,540
And the impact would extend beyond our county employees.

614
01:12:03,540 --> 01:12:12,420
As you will hear today, some potential reductions involve services we provide through private vendors, through the private sector.

615
01:12:12,780 --> 01:12:22,540
Whether that is mowing county right of ways, maintaining facilities, providing specialized services or purchasing materials for our operations.

616
01:12:22,980 --> 01:12:27,880
When we reduce those expenditures, the impact is not stopped at the county's doors.

617
01:12:27,880 --> 01:12:33,900
Those dollars support jobs and businesses throughout Seminole County and Central Florida.

618
01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:40,280
So as we go through these presentations, I would encourage us to look beyond the individual budget numbers.

619
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:44,400
And the question we are wanting to answer is much simpler.

620
01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:52,340
If amendment three passes, what will be different for the people who live, work, and do business in Seminole County?

621
01:12:52,860 --> 01:12:55,920
That is what today's presentations are designed to show.

622
01:12:55,920 --> 01:13:01,580
So with that, I will now turn it over to our budget director Tim Jax, who will walk us through the county of revenues.

623
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:04,840
And then we will begin with our Parks and Recreation Department.

624
01:13:05,480 --> 01:13:05,620
Chairman.

625
01:13:06,020 --> 01:13:06,940
Thank you, Mr. Jax.

626
01:13:07,480 --> 01:13:09,120
Thank you, Mr. County Manager and Chairman.

627
01:13:09,780 --> 01:13:23,060
So what's on the ballot in November is a constitutional amendment number three that will provide a bigger home set exemption from the current $50,000, up to $150,000 in 2027 and $250,000 in 2028.

628
01:13:23,060 --> 01:13:28,740
There will also be a cap on non-home static properties which would drop from 10% to 5%.

629
01:13:29,700 --> 01:13:37,780
When this first was brought up, there was the idea that public safety budgets would be held harmless, but they will be affected that was not in the final bill.

630
01:13:38,300 --> 01:13:43,940
There was also a discussion of a trust fund to offset lost revenues that is not included.

631
01:13:44,700 --> 01:13:51,040
And finally, there's an idea that the lost revenue was a small percentage of the county's budget, which is a bit of a misunderstanding.

632
01:13:51,040 --> 01:13:57,560
understanding. So we estimate that the total impact of amendment three will be $119 million in lost revenues

633
01:13:58,180 --> 01:14:03,260
Seminole County to $1.3 billion budget, so that would be about 9% of the total budget

634
01:14:04,180 --> 01:14:10,120
However, within the county's budget, we have five hundred sixty two million dollars in property tax-funded revenues

635
01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:14,820
Then we have five hundred and ninety three million dollars in revenues that are legally restricted

636
01:14:14,820 --> 01:14:21,920
$32 million in interfund transfers and $108 million in fund balances, which are not true revenue inflows.

637
01:14:24,500 --> 01:14:31,320
County revenues are allocated into 101 different funding buckets that are used to maintain legal compliance and accountability.

638
01:14:32,020 --> 01:14:36,140
Property tax funds are shown on the left in green, totaling $562 million.

639
01:14:37,820 --> 01:14:45,040
On the right, you see restricted revenues totaling $593 million, which cannot be used on property tax funded activities.

640
01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:50,180
Water and sewer bills must be used to maintain the county's water and sewer system.

641
01:14:50,700 --> 01:14:57,260
Under solid waste, landfill fees must be used to pay for operations with a landfill and central transfer station.

642
01:14:57,260 --> 01:14:59,980
The infrastructure penny tax can only be

643
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:29,980
Secondly, we use for capital infrastructure. It cannot be used to pay for share of deputies or fire fighter salaries. Tourism funds make up a small percentage of the county's budget, and they are restricted by state statute to promote tourist activities. MSBUs are self-assessments by taxpayers for specific purpose like Lake Management. E-911 funds are fees paid on your cell phone bill, which can only be used to maintain the 911 system. Health insurance revenues must be used to pay for medical claim activities. Internal service funds are for property

644
01:15:29,980 --> 01:15:31,660
liability and workers' comp insurance.

645
01:15:32,300 --> 01:15:37,700
And special revenues include grant agreements which must be spent based on contractual requirements.

646
01:15:38,580 --> 01:15:46,520
The impact of amendment three and the $119 million in loss revenues will come from the $562 million in property tax budgets in green.

647
01:15:48,310 --> 01:15:52,550
This chart shows the impact of amendment three by our three property tax funds.

648
01:15:52,910 --> 01:15:57,110
You see in bold the total revenue inflows of $562 million.

649
01:15:57,110 --> 01:16:02,310
In the general fund, the $85 million loss of revenues is about 20% of the total budget.

650
01:16:03,050 --> 01:16:06,970
In the fire fund, the $33 million loss of revenue is 24%.

651
01:16:06,970 --> 01:16:10,650
That's higher because the fire fund relies more heavily on property taxes.

652
01:16:11,470 --> 01:16:17,990
And then the total $119 million loss of revenues is approximately 21% of the total budget impact.

653
01:16:19,930 --> 01:16:23,410
This chart shows where your property tax dollars are currently allocated.

654
01:16:23,410 --> 01:16:28,050
41 cents of every dollar goes towards law enforcement, corrections, and the jail.

655
01:16:29,030 --> 01:16:33,010
31 cents goes to fire, EMS, dispatch, and emergency management.

656
01:16:33,590 --> 01:16:39,130
11% goes to transportation, roads, bridges, traffic, drainage, and mass transit.

657
01:16:39,670 --> 01:16:44,070
5% goes to recreation, parks, libraries, trails, and natural lands.

658
01:16:44,810 --> 01:16:49,130
3 cents of every dollar goes to BCC programs, including county administration,

659
01:16:49,690 --> 01:16:52,030
planning, facilities, and information technology.

660
01:16:52,030 --> 01:16:56,870
3 cents goes to our Constitutional Officers, the Property Praser, Clerk of Court,

661
01:16:57,090 --> 01:16:58,130
and Supervisor of Elections.

662
01:16:58,670 --> 01:17:02,730
1 cent goes to Human Services, and 5 cents goes to Unfunded Mandates.

663
01:17:04,480 --> 01:17:08,610
The outer wheel of this chart shows the budgets for your property tax funded services.

664
01:17:09,330 --> 01:17:10,950
Public safety starts on the left.

665
01:17:11,550 --> 01:17:13,730
Sheriff Law Enforcement is $119 million.

666
01:17:14,310 --> 01:17:15,670
Jail is $74 million.

667
01:17:16,170 --> 01:17:17,610
Court security is $11 million.

668
01:17:17,610 --> 01:17:30,630
Moving up, we have Fire Personnel for $92 million, Fire Operations is $21 million, Fire Capital is $29 million, then we have Dispatch Emergency Management and Animal Services for $5 million each.

669
01:17:31,410 --> 01:17:38,410
In the center, you see the $562 million in revenues and in red, you see the impact of amendment three.

670
01:17:38,930 --> 01:17:45,630
If unfunded mandates and public safety budgets do not share in the reductions, the lost revenues will be greater than the total budget for

671
01:17:45,630 --> 01:17:54,290
community services, general government services, constitutional officers, parks, transportation, and one third of the public works operating budget.

672
01:17:57,320 --> 01:18:05,180
Unfunded mandates are statements from the state of law requiring local governments to expend funds based on Florida statutes.

673
01:18:05,740 --> 01:18:10,700
Since the 1980s, there have been over 300 mandates which have shifted costs from the state to the county.

674
01:18:11,380 --> 01:18:16,900
When you include our jail, property taxes pay for $110 million of these unfunded mandates.

675
01:18:20,200 --> 01:18:26,020
This slide summarizes the challenge we're facing of the $562 million in property tax revenues.

676
01:18:26,340 --> 01:18:30,560
72% is allocated to public safety, 5% to unfunded mandates.

677
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:33,400
The impact of amendment three would be 21%.

678
01:18:33,810 --> 01:18:38,680
That totals 98% of current revenues, leaving 2% for all other services.

679
01:18:42,730 --> 01:18:45,550
Amendment three goes to the voters on November 3rd.

680
01:18:45,650 --> 01:18:52,250
If it passes, phase one would be immediate service changes happening prior to the revenue impacts.

681
01:18:52,250 --> 01:19:07,630
Phase 2 start, fiscal year 28, that's next October, we'll have the $70 million impact of the $150,000 exemption, and then finally Phase 3 for fiscal 29 will have the full $250,000 exemption implemented, which will have $119 million impact.

682
01:19:08,330 --> 01:19:10,170
That concludes my part of the presentation.

683
01:19:12,610 --> 01:19:14,770
Thank you very much, commissioners, any comments?

684
01:19:16,910 --> 01:19:17,270
I do.

685
01:19:18,870 --> 01:19:30,570
I want to make sure if we go to slide because it's 13 or maybe it's 12 or just they were the pie chart, I want to make sure I'm tracking this properly.

686
01:19:31,290 --> 01:19:39,470
I look at the Sheriff Law Enforcement portion of this at $119 million. That's all in, is that correct?

687
01:19:40,190 --> 01:19:43,630
That's the certified transfer budget that the sheriff has requested.

688
01:19:43,630 --> 01:19:49,470
Right, that's his personnel, all his other expenses, all in the Sheriff's

689
01:19:49,470 --> 01:19:55,050
Ass, correct? That's correct, okay. In comparison, if I look at the fire personnel,

690
01:19:55,050 --> 01:19:59,710
the fire personnel alone is 92 million. Then I'm bringing the fire operations of

691
01:19:59,710 --> 01:19:59,910
20

692
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:29,720
One million, then I bring in the capital on fire at 29 million. That would pretty much take care of all of our fire of those three categories, correct? That's correct. Okay. And we can agree that is much higher than what the sheriff's budget transfer is, correct? Excluding the jail, the sheriff law enforcement. The jail is our responsibility. Yes. We pay him to do that. Otherwise, we would have to do that. Yes. Correct. That's correct. Okay.

693
01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:34,800
Okay, so I'm just looking at the things we're responsible for in these categories you've broken out.

694
01:20:35,580 --> 01:20:42,340
My point is, it would appear that our fire service costs are much higher than our law enforcement costs.

695
01:20:43,180 --> 01:20:44,100
Is that a fair?

696
01:20:44,440 --> 01:20:45,380
They are higher, yes.

697
01:20:45,440 --> 01:20:47,120
Okay, thank you, that's all I have.

698
01:20:49,660 --> 01:20:50,700
Commissioner Constantine.

699
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:56,320
Thank you very much, just adding to, and they're not numbered.

700
01:20:56,320 --> 01:21:04,760
So I'm going to say to the 500 where it says 562 million property tax revenue and then you put 72% public say

701
01:21:04,760 --> 01:21:13,780
85% unmanned and unfunded mandates 21% taken off from amendment three but one that you didn't include and that one is the

702
01:21:13,780 --> 01:21:21,640
3% or the 3 cents the constitutional officers which we really have no control over either. So when you take that off we're actually

703
01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:28,700
It only leaves minus 1% for all other services, so that means no matter what happens,

704
01:21:29,100 --> 01:21:33,800
all other services potentially could go, and we'd have to cut 1% from everybody else.

705
01:21:34,240 --> 01:21:34,600
Correct.

706
01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:35,220
Thank you.

707
01:21:37,140 --> 01:21:40,040
Probably a nice ad to the slides at some point.

708
01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:43,760
That's probably a nice ad to the slides at some point, because that is relevant.

709
01:21:44,400 --> 01:21:46,980
If you go back to the pie chart, I do have a comment on that.

710
01:21:48,080 --> 01:22:16,960
I do think it's important to point out to our team that while we're representing this as the red is all of those areas only clearly that's not the intention that that is just the mathematical representation to make sure that we are educating the public around the notion that this isn't a simple lift and that certainly does the job, but I just want to put that out there on the record that this will be spread out

711
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:22,800
And out throughout the entire operation to include all areas, there's no other way to do it if it happens.

712
01:22:24,300 --> 01:22:26,540
All right, we're ready to move on, commissioners.

713
01:22:26,740 --> 01:22:27,180
Yes, ma'am.

714
01:22:28,340 --> 01:22:32,100
Thank you, Chairman, with that, we'll turn it over to Mr. Durr for Parks and Recreation.

715
01:22:39,840 --> 01:22:40,620
Mr. Durr.

716
01:22:42,200 --> 01:22:43,360
I'm waiting for my set-up, ma'am.

717
01:22:44,660 --> 01:22:47,420
I thought you might be waiting for me, so I thought I'd wait in there.

718
01:22:51,080 --> 01:22:53,540
So I'm going to cover budgets for each of the departments.

719
01:22:53,540 --> 01:22:59,680
The property tax-funded budget for our parks and recreation services total $30.3 million.

720
01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:07,740
It includes 177 full-time positions, the 20% reduction would equate to about $6.1 million.

721
01:23:09,320 --> 01:23:14,680
And the $30 million makes up approximately 5% of our property tax revenues.

722
01:23:17,960 --> 01:23:19,060
Thank you, Mr. Jax.

723
01:23:19,400 --> 01:23:23,620
So in order to keep with the theme of trying to put all of these in a simple buckets,

724
01:23:23,620 --> 01:23:26,280
We've tried to sprinkle that throughout this presentation.

725
01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:29,600
So one thing to think about within the parks and recreation umbrella.

726
01:23:30,020 --> 01:23:35,460
We've got four main services, the extension services, our library services, which are county wide,

727
01:23:35,660 --> 01:23:40,760
our recreation division and our trails and parks, which make up the rest of our outdoor open space and

728
01:23:40,760 --> 01:23:42,520
the operations and it's in those areas.

729
01:23:43,080 --> 01:23:47,360
As well as a small administration office to help support those within the county.

730
01:23:48,500 --> 01:23:53,600
Now specifically by the numbers, we have staff based at 17 different locations throughout the county.

731
01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:58,080
We manage over 7,700 acres of county owned parks and natural lands.

732
01:23:58,420 --> 01:24:01,180
We have six regional park staff seven days a week.

733
01:24:01,240 --> 01:24:03,840
They're open for more than 80 hours during the week.

734
01:24:04,260 --> 01:24:09,520
Five library branches staffed seven days a week, which are open for 56 hours a week.

735
01:24:09,940 --> 01:24:17,040
26 un-staffed parks and trail heads, one golf course in operation, the museum, 11 natural lands open for public use.

736
01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:22,300
our UF-IFA Extension Services Operation, the Ednavigin-Yarbrough Nature Center.

737
01:24:23,780 --> 01:24:29,500
And then we maintain 51 miles of paved trails, 85 miles of unpaved and wilderness trails,

738
01:24:30,080 --> 01:24:36,200
60 different county facilities regarding the grounds maintenance and 50 miles of county roadway medians maintained.

739
01:24:37,820 --> 01:24:45,820
Now those are all maintained by people and people with different backgrounds about as varied as their different roles and responsibilities within the county.

740
01:24:45,820 --> 01:24:50,640
So from our front line service, customer service folks that are staffing at our libraries

741
01:24:50,640 --> 01:24:56,740
and our parks, the maintenance folks that are out and doing everything from picking sunflower

742
01:24:56,740 --> 01:24:59,980
seeds out of our artificial turf every week to mowing the grass.

743
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:29,720
Class, defaults of the advanced degrees were delivering services from everything from educational opportunities within the county, to health opportunities within the county, all the way down to special licenses and certifications to make sure that we're doing and maintaining our best practices across the board. Some of those numbers last year alone include from our extension services offices, working with over 7,200 children through our 4-H program, our library services which hosted over a 1.3 million in-person visits to our

744
01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:38,200
to our library branches, and over three and a half million visitors to our primary parks, our trails, and so forth.

745
01:25:38,380 --> 01:25:45,280
That includes also 355 acres of habitat restored here in Seminole County to help reserve Florida's natural choice.

746
01:25:45,640 --> 01:25:49,540
Again, a wide variety of services offered within this umbrella.

747
01:25:50,340 --> 01:25:55,820
We're also very privileged to be part of the county's economic impact strategy through our youth sports tournaments.

748
01:25:55,820 --> 01:26:07,760
These numbers that were generated in the last year, the 92 events that are listed all took place at county facilities generating over $55 million worth of economic impact to our business community.

749
01:26:08,540 --> 01:26:13,460
As we continue to work with our tourism partners, those numbers are trending higher for 2026.

750
01:26:16,980 --> 01:26:42,280
So that's some of the good news, and if you wanted to hear more information about the positive impacts of our community, we've got the 2025 Community Impact Report, which is available on the county's website that goes into great detail about our involvement and our staff's involvement with our business partners and the volunteers and the scores of other nonprofits and other groups that we work with within the community to make this all possible.

751
01:26:43,340 --> 01:26:51,300
Now, with the question of how do we then approach a reduction of a potentially up to 20% or above in reduction of services?

752
01:26:52,060 --> 01:26:59,120
So, heading forward, if asking this question, we would look at certain things such as we would need to suspend exactly where we're at.

753
01:26:59,840 --> 01:27:11,360
Our recommendation, excuse me, would be to suspend our current program of the Seminole Forever Natural Lands Program based on where we're currently at within that project.

754
01:27:11,360 --> 01:27:26,140
We would also reevaluate current park projects that regardless of funding could have a positive or a negative impact on the overall general fund of the county, so that includes everything from staffing needs to maintenance needs as new projects come online.

755
01:27:27,240 --> 01:27:35,720
Other services that are out there that are a portion of and funded through the general fund include the operation of the law library museum.

756
01:27:36,480 --> 01:27:41,320
We would have to reestablish and re-evaluate how we contract our maintenance.

757
01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:44,360
Those aren't just switches that you can flip on and off.

758
01:27:44,680 --> 01:27:49,440
By the end of next fiscal year, we will have to have new contracts in place because as you'll see,

759
01:27:49,720 --> 01:27:53,180
we rely a lot on the local business community to help with our maintenance needs.

760
01:27:53,660 --> 01:28:02,040
So those things would need to be evaluated and reduction of services and levels of service put forth in proposals to the Board of County Commissioners.

761
01:28:02,040 --> 01:28:06,240
We would need to look at how we address our programs across all the visions.

762
01:28:06,940 --> 01:28:11,940
This includes programs that are serving both the public, private, and homeschool students.

763
01:28:12,120 --> 01:28:14,920
We have that both with our libraries and with our natural lands program.

764
01:28:14,960 --> 01:28:20,200
Where we have scores of students both after school that use our libraries for

765
01:28:20,200 --> 01:28:30,460
those services, folks that are in homeschools that use us as resources, as well as the scores of field trips that participated in our natural lands program at the nature center.

766
01:28:30,460 --> 01:28:35,800
As part of their school curriculums, again, we wouldn't want to just flip a switch at the new fiscal year.

767
01:28:36,040 --> 01:28:41,360
We would need to evaluate exactly how we would address those reductions in levels of service.

768
01:28:42,100 --> 01:28:46,580
And last but not least, we would need to freeze, make it positions under further evaluation.

769
01:28:47,600 --> 01:28:52,660
And that is because as we start to look at each of the four divisions within our department,

770
01:28:52,920 --> 01:28:56,620
we really rely on staff as our primary expenditure going forward.

771
01:28:57,220 --> 01:29:05,560
So as a look at extension services of that yearly budget, almost 70% of that goes towards our staffing of those programs.

772
01:29:06,500 --> 01:29:11,040
Smaller percentages are included, and I'll show you those on the screen, and we'll go through every single one of them.

773
01:29:11,060 --> 01:29:19,600
But in this case, as an example, about 12% of their budget goes towards goods and services that need to be bought in order to facilitate the delivery of those services.

774
01:29:19,780 --> 01:29:22,120
So these are things that we're buying out the community and so forth.

775
01:29:22,120 --> 01:29:28,880
And then about 18% of those, the nebulous internal charges of keeping the lights on equipment,

776
01:29:29,300 --> 01:29:33,440
everything that goes into essentially operating and delivering those services throughout the community.

777
01:29:34,340 --> 01:29:40,500
So what could be by addressing the largest expenditure within our extension services budget?

778
01:29:40,900 --> 01:29:45,320
What could be reductions of service and what are those that we would need to evaluate?

779
01:29:45,900 --> 01:29:49,760
Well, that includes our consumer and family sciences and

780
01:29:49,760 --> 01:29:54,220
health and wellness education and school programs that goes both towards our school students

781
01:29:54,220 --> 01:29:56,600
as well as adults within the community.

782
01:29:56,980 --> 01:29:59,360
Are you services such as a 4-H program?

783
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:29,500
Our FFA and financial literacy programs that we're involved with working with school children. Our Horticulture, Horticulture, try that again. Horticulture and it's sustainable agriculture programs. We assist in the farm tour on an annual basis, as well as providing assistance to homeowners as they continue to look at what is possible for them through our chickens program and so forth and helping to educate what's available to them, as well as our involvement with the Florida Friend of the Yards education program that's a part of our

784
01:30:29,500 --> 01:30:34,500
both our water quality protection program, as well as the continued education involved

785
01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:36,220
through our fertilizer ordinance.

786
01:30:36,420 --> 01:30:40,580
You see, there's a lot of different services that are offered with an umbrella of the

787
01:30:40,580 --> 01:30:43,060
extension services division that would need to be evaluated.

788
01:30:44,400 --> 01:30:45,700
Next is our libraries.

789
01:30:46,220 --> 01:30:49,420
Our libraries is the largest single division within parks and recreation.

790
01:30:50,040 --> 01:30:54,220
As you can see, by this particular chart, it makes up almost two thirds of our budget.

791
01:30:54,400 --> 01:30:58,880
Are the people who maintain those libraries, maintain our collection and provide services

792
01:30:58,880 --> 01:31:00,340
services to our public.

793
01:31:00,940 --> 01:31:07,400
Only about 10% are the things that we buy on an annual basis of materials that go into our library programs.

794
01:31:09,480 --> 01:31:12,640
The kinds of programs and the kinds of services that are offered at our libraries.

795
01:31:13,240 --> 01:31:16,840
That would be affected with, obviously with fewer staff.

796
01:31:17,280 --> 01:31:23,500
We've got less availability of the building as well as the programs in which they offer.

797
01:31:23,900 --> 01:31:28,080
So we would need to evaluate what reducing operating hours would look like.

798
01:31:28,080 --> 01:31:32,200
When I talk about being open seven days a week and 56 hours, that means we're open for

799
01:31:32,200 --> 01:31:36,380
more than eight hours a day, which simply means during the week we're staffing the libraries

800
01:31:36,380 --> 01:31:37,060
and two shifts.

801
01:31:38,180 --> 01:31:43,160
If that's our primary resource, then we have to address how we would shift, downshift,

802
01:31:43,340 --> 01:31:48,480
if you will, and including looking at different days of operation and maybe targeting those

803
01:31:48,480 --> 01:31:50,540
that are maybe the less frequented.

804
01:31:51,420 --> 01:31:56,660
In terms of what that impact would be to the community is you just have availability of

805
01:31:56,660 --> 01:31:58,540
less and fewer library resources.

806
01:31:59,180 --> 01:32:03,360
So we have public computers that folks rely on, including our public Wi-Fi and the printing.

807
01:32:03,980 --> 01:32:10,020
Our staff is every day helping people apply for jobs and apply for training online.

808
01:32:11,280 --> 01:32:16,040
Our meeting and educational spaces would be obviously less available as well as just less

809
01:32:16,040 --> 01:32:18,620
available of physical materials throughout the community.

810
01:32:19,180 --> 01:32:22,780
Lastly, our librarians also put on youth and adult literacy programs.

811
01:32:22,780 --> 01:32:28,060
As I said, the job application assistance and other educational community programs, both

812
01:32:28,060 --> 01:32:33,660
with partners, other education within our community, as well as single offerings that we have

813
01:32:33,660 --> 01:32:34,520
within our libraries.

814
01:32:35,080 --> 01:32:39,440
Again, that would be the potential impact that we would be looking at by reducing our primary

815
01:32:39,440 --> 01:32:40,060
resource.

816
01:32:41,840 --> 01:32:44,900
This is where we start to get into parks, our recreation division.

817
01:32:45,240 --> 01:32:51,000
This is our six regional facilities that we talked about where our economic impact events

818
01:32:51,680 --> 01:32:54,120
So we're talking about the Boomba Sports Complex,

819
01:32:54,400 --> 01:32:57,940
Boomba Soldiers Creek Park, Lake Sylvan Park, Red Vogue Lake Park,

820
01:32:58,440 --> 01:32:59,700
softball complex in St.

821
01:32:59,840 --> 01:33:00,040
Lando.

822
01:33:01,300 --> 01:33:05,860
This is where you see about 55% of those resources are dedicated to our staff.

823
01:33:06,580 --> 01:33:10,740
With this particular division, we start to introduce some of our contract staff.

824
01:33:10,920 --> 01:33:15,080
So the operating services line of about almost 9%.

825
01:33:15,080 --> 01:33:16,880
Those are contract staff members.

826
01:33:17,240 --> 01:33:20,140
Those are the folks that put on our tennis programs, our tennis coaches,

827
01:33:20,140 --> 01:33:25,220
our umpires, those that are participating in our programs, those are contract staffs.

828
01:33:25,260 --> 01:33:31,620
And now we're talking about almost 63% of our budget going towards people in our community to facilitate those programs.

829
01:33:32,420 --> 01:33:37,160
This is where we also introduce the impact potentially to our business community,

830
01:33:37,440 --> 01:33:41,480
the operating repair and maintenance line of about seven and a half percent.

831
01:33:41,920 --> 01:33:44,380
That is where we have contracts with local businesses.

832
01:33:44,800 --> 01:33:48,300
While our staff is busy keeping the playing courts in shape and

833
01:33:48,300 --> 01:33:52,740
safe, as well as mowing the grass in our sports fields, we have other contractors coming

834
01:33:52,740 --> 01:33:56,440
in and taking care of the common areas and some of the other more utilitarian aspects

835
01:33:56,440 --> 01:33:58,160
to just managing the property.

836
01:33:58,820 --> 01:34:04,220
So at this point, we're looking at regarding both our staff, our outsourced staff and our

837
01:34:04,220 --> 01:34:09,080
outsourced maintenance over 70% of our budget is devoted to.

838
01:34:10,360 --> 01:34:16,120
So again, two of our facilities are open for 81 hours a week, excuse me, four of our facilities

839
01:34:16,120 --> 01:34:17,740
over three hour, 81 hours a week.

840
01:34:18,340 --> 01:34:22,520
The other two specifically, the boom of sports complex, including that is open

841
01:34:22,520 --> 01:34:28,240
94 hours a week in order to facilitate both local play, as well as the operation of

842
01:34:28,240 --> 01:34:29,960
week internments and summer tournaments.

843
01:34:31,480 --> 01:34:35,900
Downshifting and available staffing, obviously as you can tell, there are multiple

844
01:34:36,480 --> 01:34:40,800
overlapping shifts in terms of maintenance and keeping this facility operational.

845
01:34:41,360 --> 01:34:44,500
So having to evaluate how we shift down or

846
01:34:44,500 --> 01:34:46,580
downshift the availability of these facilities.

847
01:34:47,180 --> 01:34:51,200
That includes the program delivery that's done at each of these facilities as well.

848
01:34:51,360 --> 01:34:57,360
We have not just tourism events, but we have recreational programs that are run at each of those facilities.

849
01:34:58,060 --> 01:34:59,960
So again, evaluating how those would-

850
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:29,180
How those levels of service would be reduced, as well as a big cost to us is the maintenance of those facilities. We have certain levels of service that we currently apply for, both regarding our in-house staff and maintenance, as well as those that we contract without in the business community. All of those would need to be reevaluated to look for cost savings across the board. The last division is our parks and trails division. This is where all of our unstaffed parks are natural lands and our trails are maintained. This equation is a little bit different.

851
01:35:29,880 --> 01:35:34,220
The majority of our operating budget goes straight to our business community.

852
01:35:34,420 --> 01:35:38,140
These are local business partners that provide maintenance services across the board.

853
01:35:38,260 --> 01:35:45,820
So, almost 50%, 56% of this budget is to our local businesses that help us maintain these assets within the community.

854
01:35:46,480 --> 01:35:48,580
28% of that goes to our personal services.

855
01:35:48,760 --> 01:35:54,280
So, again, both are, both two people that are employed by local businesses as well as to our staff.

856
01:35:54,280 --> 01:35:58,600
That is the majority of our operations in order to continue to deliver these services.

857
01:35:59,840 --> 01:36:03,900
So again, highlighting the overall services delivered through the Parks and Trails Division.

858
01:36:04,860 --> 01:36:11,060
We would need to evaluate across the board just how we operate and maintain all of our un-staffed parks.

859
01:36:11,520 --> 01:36:15,620
We would have to look at reduced maintenance across neighborhood parks and trail heads,

860
01:36:16,100 --> 01:36:21,340
our natural lands and nature center, our passive parks, our trails, our roadway medians and county property.

861
01:36:21,340 --> 01:36:26,640
And last but certainly not least, we have a natural lands program that is nestled within

862
01:36:26,640 --> 01:36:32,820
this program that has our eco camps and they operate the nature center as well as

863
01:36:32,820 --> 01:36:39,080
offer other educational programs such as guided hikes and nature lessons throughout their

864
01:36:39,740 --> 01:36:41,140
program throughout the year.

865
01:36:43,850 --> 01:36:49,610
So looking forward, looking ahead, I should probably say, not looking forward but looking ahead,

866
01:36:49,610 --> 01:36:55,570
What could be the ongoing service impacts as we look at potential future reductions as well?

867
01:36:56,790 --> 01:37:03,790
Again, the realization we're having to come back with is the Seminole Forever Natural Lands Program,

868
01:37:04,070 --> 01:37:12,030
which is funded entirely out of the general fund, is that a viable program if the funding is not sustainable?

869
01:37:12,650 --> 01:37:18,350
We would be evaluating and re-evaluating our delivery of our youth and community educational programs at the library.

870
01:37:18,350 --> 01:37:23,830
Our capital projects would primarily be based on need of existing facilities and

871
01:37:23,830 --> 01:37:30,170
having gone through the break recession in the unfortunate position we found ourselves in of running facilities to failure.

872
01:37:30,950 --> 01:37:35,250
We would be staring that in the face and it would be much more of a stark reality going forward.

873
01:37:35,990 --> 01:37:42,990
We would be looking at freezing or staffing levels and looking at evaluating it further reductions as needed within the general fund.

874
01:37:43,590 --> 01:37:46,830
Obviously, we'd be looking at lowering our service levels of maintenance for

875
01:37:46,830 --> 01:37:53,910
our community assets and last but not least evaluating the viability of certain lands moving forward based on reduced funding.

876
01:37:54,530 --> 01:37:58,570
Now, I absolutely refuse to end any presentation on a down note.

877
01:37:59,470 --> 01:38:10,470
So, in this case, I'd prefer to look at the end and just as my privilege of representing everyone who works in the parks and recreation department is representatives of county.

878
01:38:11,250 --> 01:38:25,070
The benefits of the parks department, I think we've been able to establish that we really enjoy being able to serve our public and contributing greatly to the quality of life for our residents, such as the opportunity for healthy lifestyles.

879
01:38:25,790 --> 01:38:36,570
Low cost educational opportunities from the very youngest to the very oldest low cost transportation with our trail system and protecting Florida's natural choice through our environmental program.

880
01:38:36,570 --> 01:38:41,050
But an integral part, and by being in a part, let me try that again.

881
01:38:42,530 --> 01:38:55,350
But lastly, we really appreciate the fact that we are part of Seminole County's economic engine of keeping high property values for our residents, of direct spending through employment of our staff and our business partners and our community.

882
01:38:55,890 --> 01:39:03,290
But helping to drive a greater economic impact to local businesses and future prosperity of us and our residents within Seminole County.

883
01:39:03,290 --> 01:39:07,570
And with that, I'll be happy to answer any questions you might have.

884
01:39:07,730 --> 01:39:08,630
Thank you very much.

885
01:39:08,750 --> 01:39:09,650
Commissioner's any questions?

886
01:39:10,010 --> 01:39:10,610
Commissioner DeLauri?

887
01:39:11,170 --> 01:39:11,850
Thank you, Madam Chair.

888
01:39:13,030 --> 01:39:14,870
Thank you for the presentation, Mr. DeLauri.

889
01:39:15,450 --> 01:39:20,810
Can you talk to us about accreditation and what there really means to us, what that cost,

890
01:39:21,210 --> 01:39:26,570
and how many other entities in the state or surrounding areas are accredited, and then

891
01:39:26,570 --> 01:39:29,890
I have another follow-up question about that, absolutely.

892
01:39:29,890 --> 01:39:34,910
So our Parks and Recreation Department is nationally accredited through a board.

893
01:39:34,910 --> 01:39:38,170
It is all completely based on best practices within the industry.

894
01:39:38,670 --> 01:39:46,030
Those are modified on a period of five years and we were first accredited back in the 2000s just before the economic downturn.

895
01:39:46,110 --> 01:39:48,090
And every five years we've been reaccredited since.

896
01:39:49,070 --> 01:39:54,490
At that particular time we were one of only three counties to become nationally accredited within the state of Florida.

897
01:39:54,490 --> 01:39:59,510
We're currently based on my last knowledge about one of eight counties to be nationally accredited.

898
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:06,260
And we've been accredited no longer than all but two of the other counties within the state.

899
01:40:06,900 --> 01:40:19,620
What that essentially means is that not only do we meet on a management basis and how we maintain our fiscal responsibility, as well as the responsibility that we have to the natural environment and providing services, quality services to our public.

900
01:40:20,920 --> 01:40:27,800
We have to not just be able to write a wonderful memo but also be able to prove that we are indeed walking the walk.

901
01:40:27,800 --> 01:40:32,180
So every five years, we are re-evaluated across the board to the very latest

902
01:40:32,180 --> 01:40:35,680
and strictest of best practices from across the country.

903
01:40:36,760 --> 01:40:37,460
Thank you, Rick.

904
01:40:37,740 --> 01:40:41,980
And again, this is really the first time that we've actually been involved in actually looking at your total presentation.

905
01:40:42,640 --> 01:40:47,120
Have you looked at outsourcing anything, additional like selling property and

906
01:40:47,120 --> 01:40:50,700
actually outsourcing large groups of your operation?

907
01:40:51,100 --> 01:40:55,800
So in terms of community assets, we would need to look at that at a much deeper basis, of course.

908
01:40:56,980 --> 01:41:03,880
We are blessed to have a number of community assets spread from the most developed areas in the county to the most rural parts of the county.

909
01:41:04,360 --> 01:41:07,440
All of those we would evaluate and bring those back for future consideration.

910
01:41:08,160 --> 01:41:14,300
Any new assets or new acquisitions is why I said obviously all of those would need to be re-evaluated as well.

911
01:41:15,140 --> 01:41:20,060
In terms of our ability to outsource additional staffing at this point.

912
01:41:20,060 --> 01:41:23,180
Obviously, we would look at that deeper.

913
01:41:23,920 --> 01:41:26,800
A number of that had already been done through the economic downturn.

914
01:41:27,580 --> 01:41:42,660
The large budget that you saw within one of our divisions alone, part of that was as a result of the economic downturn and our ability to outsource a lot of the regular maintenance, the blow and go, if you will, of cutting grass and making sure that things are in working order.

915
01:41:43,400 --> 01:41:51,920
The reality of our staffing model, excuse me, levels at this particular time, however, for our county staff is we don't have a lot of redundant staffing.

916
01:41:52,720 --> 01:42:01,920
Meeting that at any of our facilities, if we have one person call out sick while somebody else is on vacation, I'll look at more of a dynamic staffing model.

917
01:42:02,060 --> 01:42:04,600
We're now pulling staff from other facilities to help cover.

918
01:42:05,060 --> 01:42:09,280
We've just been in the mode of doing so, there's nothing wrong with that.

919
01:42:09,280 --> 01:42:13,680
But it really drives the best value to the county as well.

920
01:42:14,680 --> 01:42:16,720
It's just that we're thin to begin with.

921
01:42:17,140 --> 01:42:20,640
So outsourcing any of those other things we'd be looking for opportunities.

922
01:42:21,180 --> 01:42:24,960
It's just the realities of there's not a lot of different ways to spend that dollar.

923
01:42:25,400 --> 01:42:26,140
Okay, thank you.

924
01:42:26,300 --> 01:42:27,300
In a matter of questions, I'm sure.

925
01:42:27,440 --> 01:42:28,620
Thank you, Commissioner Constantine.

926
01:42:28,800 --> 01:42:29,620
I think you had your hand up.

927
01:42:30,640 --> 01:42:31,060
Okay.

928
01:42:31,560 --> 01:42:33,260
Thank you very much.

929
01:42:37,220 --> 01:42:38,880
Discounting, which we cannot.

930
01:42:38,880 --> 01:42:50,780
But the value to our local businesses that you and all the other programs that we're going to talk to today benefit.

931
01:42:52,180 --> 01:42:55,460
So, you think we're tightening our belts.

932
01:42:55,460 --> 01:42:57,560
Look at all the businesses.

933
01:42:58,330 --> 01:43:07,740
Tim, by your own numbers, this 20% reduction that you're talking about has to

934
01:43:07,740 --> 01:43:18,240
So assume that everything in general revenue through advellorum will have to be reduced 20% also,

935
01:43:19,030 --> 01:43:26,600
which means public safety and fire department would have to be reduced by 20%.

936
01:43:26,600 --> 01:43:33,140
If my numbers are correct, your numbers are correct, is that so am I correct on that?

937
01:43:33,460 --> 01:43:34,120
That's correct.

938
01:43:34,120 --> 01:43:54,240
So I want to bring out the fact that we're only looking at 20% reduction here because we're also talking about if we do this, if amendment three passes, that we're talking about 20% across the board to all at the law.

939
01:43:54,240 --> 01:44:06,720
So if we don't do that, which means if we don't reduce the shares budget, the fire department's budget,

940
01:44:06,880 --> 01:44:17,920
the unfunded mandates budget and the constitutional officers budget by 20% also, all these programs are at zero.

941
01:44:20,140 --> 01:44:21,060
Am I wrong?

942
01:44:21,840 --> 01:44:24,320
You're correct. If everyone isn't sharing the reduction.

943
01:44:24,800 --> 01:44:29,260
So us talking about this, I would add, I think, I think that is wrong.

944
01:44:29,460 --> 01:44:30,960
I think it's a negative number.

945
01:44:31,400 --> 01:44:35,040
Yeah, okay, I mean, I started a budget on public works in order to get to zero.

946
01:44:35,160 --> 01:44:37,900
No, you're right. It's 1%, 19 million, something like that.

947
01:44:39,060 --> 01:44:44,220
I agree, but I was just trying to, but I don't think we can't, we can't, we can't work our way out.

948
01:44:44,220 --> 01:44:45,380
Yeah, we can't be cutting every piece.

949
01:44:45,380 --> 01:44:47,040
Now we're talking about 21%.

950
01:44:47,040 --> 01:44:52,880
correct. So the fact of the matter is we're doing an exercise here that really

951
01:44:52,880 --> 01:44:59,960
assumes that we can cut public safety and fire. And that needs to be included in

952
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:29,660
The discussion, because I don't think that people understand when we're talking about 20% that they know that that means that everything gets cut 20%. Not just public works, not just, you know, parks and recreation. So, in essence, if, you know, you think about that, and if we couldn't cut them by 21%, I'll use 21%. If we couldn't cut them by 21% and I'm talking about police and fire, then you're gone.

953
01:45:30,200 --> 01:45:39,120
Just going. You know, let's not talk about 20% retouching. Let's talk about you're out of the building. Everybody's out of the building. All of you folks are out of the building.

954
01:45:40,080 --> 01:45:41,220
I'm just being honest.

955
01:45:43,340 --> 01:45:45,800
And yet we don't think we're going there.

956
01:45:46,040 --> 01:45:50,200
No, we are a messenger. Is there people who are smart enough not to do that?

957
01:45:51,020 --> 01:45:52,200
Thank you, Madam Chair.

958
01:45:52,200 --> 01:45:52,280
here.

959
01:45:54,920 --> 01:46:00,100
I'm not sure I follow Commissioner Constantine. I think it was pretty clear, or

960
01:46:00,100 --> 01:46:07,360
least I thought, this was not as originally floated by the governor, that first responders

961
01:46:07,360 --> 01:46:12,920
work out of this picture. It's clear they are on the table to be cut under the current

962
01:46:13,920 --> 01:46:20,000
initiative that's going to go on about 21%. We're all clear on that. I think that's maybe

963
01:46:20,000 --> 01:46:24,340
that's what Commissioner was trying to say, but it was pretty clear in the early presentation

964
01:46:25,520 --> 01:46:27,820
that we've tried to make the public aware of that.

965
01:46:29,220 --> 01:46:35,540
So here's what I will, a couple of questions in the parks as we're on the parks recreation.

966
01:46:37,020 --> 01:46:44,520
Are there any bond issues or contractual agreements of property that we've either been given

967
01:46:44,520 --> 01:46:50,780
or purchased, that require us to do certain things that cannot be omitted.

968
01:46:51,400 --> 01:46:58,380
In other words, are there any capital improvements or O&M that we are contracts rebound to do,

969
01:46:58,740 --> 01:47:06,920
either through a bond initiative on the natural lands or otherwise, or a parcel that's been given to the county for natural lands?

970
01:47:07,080 --> 01:47:08,160
Are there any of that that exists?

971
01:47:08,160 --> 01:47:16,100
Yes, the short answer would be yes, and all of that would need to be pulled out and obviously we need to examine each one of those cases.

972
01:47:16,700 --> 01:47:27,360
So as we dig deeper, there is cuts that we may be discussing that actually can't be cut on certain properties because of the way that the

973
01:47:27,360 --> 01:47:32,620
county came by those properties so forth so I would very much like to know that.

974
01:47:33,300 --> 01:47:39,520
One thing I note and I'm not advocating that we do this but the delivery method of

975
01:47:39,520 --> 01:47:44,720
the services in this division, one's a fee-based. I've heard nothing about a fee-based

976
01:47:44,720 --> 01:47:49,880
schedule. Again I'm not advocating for that but I think if we're going to decide and make

977
01:47:49,880 --> 01:47:52,700
decisions that should be far part of the discussion.

978
01:47:54,120 --> 01:47:59,400
I'm not a sir, I'm a favor of that, but I think that should be full discussion.

979
01:47:59,640 --> 01:48:01,940
Mr. Mayor, I think the county manager is.

980
01:48:02,500 --> 01:48:09,240
Absolutely, thank you, Chairman, and Commissioner, you're right on track, and that is part of, when we looked at, if amendment three goes forward,

981
01:48:10,440 --> 01:48:19,360
that would be part of our first phase to bring back, and that is, you know, to the point of this board, if it's something that critical service that the board needs.

982
01:48:19,360 --> 01:48:23,780
and wants to continue with along with the, of course, residents and business owners.

983
01:48:24,300 --> 01:48:30,900
Another revenue source would have to come, we would have to come up with a fee or something regarding to keep that service available.

984
01:48:31,220 --> 01:48:35,040
So those options would be presented if this goes forward.

985
01:48:35,800 --> 01:48:35,980
Great.

986
01:48:37,520 --> 01:48:45,760
You know, the thing that makes this so difficult for this county is, when I came on this board back in 2018,

987
01:48:46,980 --> 01:48:55,840
There had not been enough decisions made to turn this ship after the depression of 2008 and 2009 the big crash.

988
01:48:56,940 --> 01:49:12,040
So this county was already working with not enough employees, not enough capital assets, tens of millions of dollars of deferred improvements to the capital assets that taxpayers had already paid for over the previous 30 years.

989
01:49:13,020 --> 01:49:20,280
We're just now, in the last couple of years, getting back to a level of service with

990
01:49:20,280 --> 01:49:25,920
our employees, taking care of those deferred improvements to those capital assets that

991
01:49:25,920 --> 01:49:29,220
left deferred for 10, 20 years.

992
01:49:31,260 --> 01:49:32,140
And here we are.

993
01:49:34,200 --> 01:49:39,980
I make no argument that there are probably entities out there in the state that spend like

994
01:49:39,980 --> 01:49:45,100
truck and sailors. This is not one of them. In an organization whether it's a business

995
01:49:45,100 --> 01:49:52,680
or otherwise, you can only cut your way out of overhead so far. You either have to increase

996
01:49:52,680 --> 01:49:58,080
revenue, and I would say we're pretty darn efficient at this county. Are there some things

997
01:49:58,080 --> 01:49:59,960
things we could go without, our citizens may not be able to do so.

998
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:29,580
I would not lose their complete mind over, probably a few, but not to the magnitude of the percentages that we're talking here. And so I would also like to see a breakdown over the last, say, 10 to 15 years of the state mandates and the cost associated with that, because I think there is a fair conversation that this really needs to start at the state level, since they have so much money in their budget.

999
01:50:29,580 --> 01:50:35,800
and they've been paying down all their, you know, outstanding debts, but yet

1000
01:50:35,800 --> 01:50:41,640
pushing over to us in cities mandates that we are funding here locally and

1001
01:50:42,340 --> 01:50:47,960
understand what those are. That would be very helpful to have that monetized

1002
01:50:47,960 --> 01:50:53,360
for this discussion as we move further. But thank you. I know this is tough work.

1003
01:50:53,520 --> 01:50:57,920
We appreciate you all doing this. What makes matters even more complicated for

1004
01:50:57,920 --> 01:51:05,340
I guess our staff, we started a discussion about efficiency before efficiency was a thing.

1005
01:51:06,960 --> 01:51:13,260
I think two or three years ago, we started this discussion in our annual retreat and

1006
01:51:13,260 --> 01:51:20,440
charging our staff with going back and bringing forward any efficiencies they could find within

1007
01:51:20,440 --> 01:51:23,620
their divisions and bringing that back to the commission.

1008
01:51:23,620 --> 01:51:26,980
and I, we've had that discussion each and every year.

1009
01:51:28,260 --> 01:51:29,920
And then we cut and we cut and we cut.

1010
01:51:32,060 --> 01:51:35,740
Reality is, you can't provide services if you don't know

1011
01:51:35,740 --> 01:51:37,380
the personnel and the phone need to do it.

1012
01:51:38,300 --> 01:51:40,440
And I think that's ultimately what the questions are going

1013
01:51:40,440 --> 01:51:42,240
to come down to for our voters.

1014
01:51:42,660 --> 01:51:47,700
And so it's going to be tough decision when they go to the polls

1015
01:51:47,700 --> 01:51:48,600
to make their decision.

1016
01:51:48,880 --> 01:51:50,660
So it is our job to educate them.

1017
01:51:50,760 --> 01:51:52,620
And thank you all very much for doing the hard work.

1018
01:51:53,840 --> 01:51:57,520
Unfortunately, spending a lot of taxpayers' dollars digging into this to bring this forward,

1019
01:51:57,520 --> 01:52:01,780
but it's rightfully done to educate our public, so thank you, thank you Madam Chair.

1020
01:52:02,300 --> 01:52:09,740
Just like to provide a little bit of clarity in terms of, I think, on either slide 15 or page 553 of the book.

1021
01:52:11,140 --> 01:52:19,580
There is a reference to unfunded mandates that's sitting at 5% of the 562 million,

1022
01:52:19,580 --> 01:52:22,940
So we have a number roughly 28 million by my count.

1023
01:52:24,880 --> 01:52:27,260
Are you looking for detail behind the deal?

1024
01:52:27,260 --> 01:52:29,920
I'm looking for detail and specifically what those are.

1025
01:52:30,380 --> 01:52:30,860
Okay.

1026
01:52:31,640 --> 01:52:34,220
We can provide that to get that history.

1027
01:52:35,000 --> 01:52:39,700
So, so, so, Mr. Zimbauer, so are you looking for in each one of these categories

1028
01:52:39,700 --> 01:52:42,880
of the slide that he has on the screen the breakdown by dollar?

1029
01:52:43,060 --> 01:52:46,000
I'll make an easy line out in detail for all unfunded mandates.

1030
01:52:47,320 --> 01:52:48,820
That would be helpful for making it.

1031
01:52:49,220 --> 01:52:49,660
All right.

1032
01:52:49,900 --> 01:52:50,820
Any further discussion?

1033
01:52:55,180 --> 01:52:57,600
Thank you, Chairman and commissioners.

1034
01:52:58,100 --> 01:52:58,820
Thank you, Mr. Durer.

1035
01:52:59,940 --> 01:53:03,840
Next we'll have public works, Mr. Ward.

1036
01:53:06,400 --> 01:53:07,080
The

1037
01:53:12,520 --> 01:53:17,240
property tax funded budgets for our transportation services total $58.6 million.

1038
01:53:17,820 --> 01:53:26,040
This includes 164 full-time positions, a 20% proportionate share reduction equates to $11.7 million.

1039
01:53:28,900 --> 01:53:29,560
The 50th.

1040
01:53:29,560 --> 01:53:30,920
Tim, could you pull the mic close?

1041
01:53:31,120 --> 01:53:31,480
Excuse me.

1042
01:53:31,760 --> 01:53:32,220
Thank you.

1043
01:53:32,220 --> 01:53:36,960
The $58 million makes up approximately 11% of our property tax revenues.

1044
01:53:40,180 --> 01:53:40,660
Perfect.

1045
01:53:41,180 --> 01:53:41,960
Good morning.

1046
01:53:42,480 --> 01:53:43,420
Thank you, Chairman.

1047
01:53:43,920 --> 01:53:46,140
Members of the Commission as well as County Manager.

1048
01:53:46,380 --> 01:53:47,120
I'm Tony O'Lory.

1049
01:53:47,300 --> 01:53:50,000
I'm the Director of Public Works here at Seminole County.

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You know, before we begin, I was putting this presentation together.

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You know, transportation is the backbone of our community.

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It's the back, not a seminal county, it's of every community out there.

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And as we travel on city roads or county roads or state roads, it all works together, right?

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We have and we provide choices so our signal timing needs to work together.

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Our turn lanes from our road to a city road needs to work together.

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So as we go through this presentation and we talk about potential service reductions,

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it's not just going to affect our roads, but it is going to have an impact on all of

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our transportation system, whatever that may be, whether you're taken sun rail and

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those lights and all the signals coming down, it all works together and we spent a lot

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of money to ensure that we move people effectively.

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And so as we go through the service, I just want sort of us to keep that in mind, because we're going to affect all of transportation with any kind of reduction. I was here in July, and we talked a lot about some of the information we're going to see today. I do want to just comment real quickly on something that Commissioner Zimbauer talked about just getting back to, you know, pre recession. At public works, we have about

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150 people, we are not back to pre-resession numbers at this point.

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So all of the services that we provide, those are with numbers that we haven't, while

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we continue to put infrastructure out there, we really haven't grown.

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So we're really, really, as you said, working very effectively and we don't have a lot of

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fact, we are into the bone as we talk about service reduction, so I just wanted to make sure.

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So at the county, we provide the maintenance of all of our county road and storm water system maintenance.

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And you hear a lot about system because all of this works together and it's really important.

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As I indicated in July, we maintained over 1900 lane miles of road.

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That's over 2,700 roadways that we touch.

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We repair over 1,000 potholes a year.

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We maintain over 900 sidewalks as well as maintaining over 130,000 feet of ditches and canals.

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Our traffic management system has 419 signals.

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We maintain, as we indicated in July, city signals, state signals and county signals.

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We also maintain over 32,000 signs and 450 miles of infrastructure, fiber infrastructure.

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Thank you.

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This is my, my Vanna.

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We also provide all the inspection and maintenance of our bridges, all of the trails that Rick just

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got done and have those bridges.

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We, we inspect those and maintain those.

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Our capital improvement program and our construction management, that's funded by our 1 cent sales tax, but remember the people that manage all of that are from our property taxes.

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So if we have reduction, we won't be able to manage as much as we have in the past.

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We also as people come into, and I know you all get so many calls and we do too, of all the right of way permitting, we manage all of that.

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And really remember for post, especially right now, post hurricane disaster response, public works first out on the scene, right?

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We are clearing the roads for our emergency response.

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We are making, we are assessing flooding.

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We are closing roads if there's flooding.

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And so we are first out on the scene for that post hurricane response.

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And then while public works doesn't manage all of the mass transit services that is provided here in the county,

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it is certainly a transportation service.

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And we do have three systems that we fund here in the county to move people, which is what we need to do.

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So as we talk about service, so this is sort of the glum part of the presentation as Rick had.

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And as we talk about the service reductions of 20% and again, remember it's into the bone, there is no fact here.

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We would propose to immediately freeze positions if this passes in November.

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Now that's going to have an effect just because this won't go into effect until 2028.

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Freezing positions have an effect because we won't be able to provide the level of service

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that our residents and visitors are used to.

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Cutting that 20% would mean about 26 FTEs.

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And like Rick and like what was talked about during Rick's presentation,

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we also have outside vendors who perform services for us.

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This will have an impact to them.

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Also our suppliers.

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We buy a lot of fiber.

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We buy traffic signals.

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We buy, you know, sand for our sandbags, so all of that has an impact, so it's not just here in Seminole County and our people.

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So the next part of the presentation is really to talk about the reduction of services and what the 20% would mean.

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And as you said, it was not a fun day when we talked about this.

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A few days. This is not what we want to do. This is not what we want to present, but this will be the consequences of a 20% cut. So in terms of our flood control stormwater system, we would have to have less frequent cleaning of our ditch and culverts. Okay. And as you know, when you don't have the clearing and the cleaning, that just has a lot of clogging means more flooding. So we just

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This wouldn't have necessarily the personnel or the supplies to be able to do it.

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We would also have to provide less frequent cleaning and clearing of our retention ponds

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and our canal maintenance.

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That would mean more sediment going into our system, which means it would just create

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more impacts of flood.

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And Kim is coming up after me, but really a lot more sediments that are getting into our system which means more pollutants going into our lakes and so that's just another effect of these cuts not being able to keep up with our infrastructure.

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Right now, we provide ourselves on if we get a call for a whole repair, over a thousand repair a year.

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We respond within 24 to 48 hours, we would have to lengthen that response to a week or more.

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And we would really have to prioritize that on safety.

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What's put, you know, those top holes would have to get big enough for us to be able because we've got to just won't have as much

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Personnel to be able to to respond to that

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We're looking at doubling the time of mowing

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We do six

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Cycles of mowing our slopes a year and nine on flat surfaces nine cycles, so you're talking, you know, only the slopes getting

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mode three times a year and the flat of four or five times a year and that's mainly done

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by outside services. So that's not necessarily our folks. So again, the impacts outside a

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seminal county.

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We would also eliminate supplemental. So we do, our personnel do go out to places

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if we get complaints or if there's a public safety. New since we will go out there and do

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supplemental mowing we would eliminate that. We would reduce the ability to repair our

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curb and gutter and of course with our gutter again that's a system right the water has

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the flow through the gutters to get into the storm grate to get into our ponds and so when you have

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that kind of cracking and not being able to repair it that whole flow is impeded.

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We would propose to eliminate street sweeping, and so that, again, would mean more debris into our storm water system, which impacts Kim, and she's going because they do get credits with the B-map and all of that, and of course the cleanliness of our roadways will look as great as they do today.

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We would also limit tree trimming and removal and just really prioritize based on safety risks.

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We just removed quite a large oak tree in the last couple weeks and we were worried

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for the safety of pedestrians and so we would prioritize that.

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We would also reduce the annual roadway striping by half.

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So this year we're on track to stripe about 50 miles.

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We also do 300 plus arrows and other symbols.

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So we would reduce all that by half, and that's a lot with all of the rain and

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the night and things like that.

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It's just reduced visibility as well as our pedestrian.

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So we would of course prioritize that for our pedestrian safety.

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We would also limit our guardrail and handrail repairs.

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Again, we would have longer re-response times.

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We would put everything, of course, log it in.

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And this really prioritized on public safety.

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Right now, we do about $2 million a year on sidewalk repair.

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One million comes out of our penny.

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Another million comes out of our general revenue.

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we would just do half a million.

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So Lorde has beautiful people use our sidewalks,

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but we would have to really prioritize that repair.

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In terms, so that's sort of the roadway in our flood,

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or our stormwater system now moving on to our traffic signals.

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We talked about

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About this, I think in July, as well as just earlier, we do maintain and a lot of signals for our cities and the state. We do get dollars to do that. We would have to reduce our traffic signal maintenance. And what does that mean? If there's a problem with the signal maintenance, we would go on flash, which is never a good thing with moving people around this county until we could get out there to repair it.

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One of the things that we said that we would do also is evaluate all our traffic signals

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and see if there are any ones that are sort of on those secondary roads and turn those

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back into four way stops because we will not have the personnel to be able to maintain all

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those signals.

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We would also reduce the traffic signal retiming.

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I talk a lot about that.

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That's a big benefit for us to be able to sort of

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time those lights, it moves traffic through the area very effectively during peak hour.

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We would have to reduce that and rely more on our partners, Metro plan, FDOT, which doesn't

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necessarily mean that Seminole County Retiming will be their priority as it is ours.

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In terms of our traffic management system, so we do a lot and we use outside consultant

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services, when we see that we do have a problem during peak hour, we do a lot of traffic studies.

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And to see if we have to increase the length of a turn lane, or if we need a turn lane,

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we would reduce that a lot so that just means any complaints or that we see as a problem during peak hour,

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we would just have to put that on, put it as a prioritized list.

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As well as our traffic data collection, you know all those little tubes we put out there to see how our level of service is and our roadways, we would reduce that as well, which is outside vendors.

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In terms of street lights, we would limit the lighting to critical locations, maybe reduce the amount of time the street lights are on and

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And may remove some of those street lights based on an evaluation.

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As I mentioned earlier, we have about 32,000 signs in this county.

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We have them all GIS, when they go down, we make new ones, we replace them.

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And that's part of our traffic management system.

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So people know what our speed limits are, what are, no U-turns, things like that.

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that we would wouldn't be as able to respond as quickly as we do today.

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And this county has spent 450 miles of fiber in the county, that's a lot of fiber.

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We have spent a lot of money through the first, the one penny sales tax.

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Putting all of those signals into fiber, we would look to reduce that maintenance,

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which means that we wouldn't be able to communicate necessarily with our traffic signals

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if they go down and all of our county infrastructure like our buildings and stuff is also on the fiber system.

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So that would have an impact to our day-to-day operations.

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We also provide a lot of support services.

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The survey we have in our roads and storm order section really provides services throughout the county not just for public works.

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We would look to reduce those services which means if anybody needs survey and they would probably have to contract them through outside contractors.

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We would also eliminate our community service worker program which means the reduction of the ability to pick up trash and litter.

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which is significant for a lot of reasons because that greater, you know, bigger pieces of debris,

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you know, become in projectiles during storms as well as getting into our storm water system

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and causing clogs and not being able to move that water. And then finally, I know, and I've

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mentioned this before, our engineering really provides a lot of services to your offices in terms of

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If a resident comes in and asks, has some questions or has a problem, we really send our engineers out to assess it and to see what can be done as long as well as our roads and stormwater folks and we would just not have the ability to respond as quickly as we do today.

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And then finally, I want it for this portion.

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The question is to really end on the hurricane disaster. All of these reductions, as you can see, will have a impact on our ability to respond. If we don't have the staffing that we have today to be able to get out there and remove that debris, the old timers we'd like to call it cut and push. We cut the debris and we push it out of the way for Chief Kinley and our Sheriff's Department to be able to get to those people in need after a storm.

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and this would be reduced.

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Moving on to our mass transit, so as you know, we do still have about $3 million worth

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of fixed routes that are going into Orange County.

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We would assess that and look to either eliminate that or reduce it.

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Paratransit is about 8.7 million, that's really a federal sort of mandate.

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We would try to look and see what we could do to see how we could reduce that as well.

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Sun rail is about $11.3 million bill, and I know we've heard a lot of people say we'll just give it back to the state.

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And that is of course a policy decision.

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But remember, by agreement, any reductions to Sun Rail means it comes out of Seminole County's work program.

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And so any improvements that DOT has in the work program, whether it's resurfacing,

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whether it's capacity, that would be reduced by the amount that DOT would be paying for Sun Rail.

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So, again, it's a reduction of transportation services in Seminole County.

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Finally, for scout, 20% reduction would mean to either eliminate service or reduce the number

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of vehicles, which means the wait times would increase right now, the July average was about 42 minutes.

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So, that would more than likely increase for that wait time.

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And finally, I just wanted to end on this slide.

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I showed this slide to you in July, and we move a lot of people in vehicles a day in Seminole County.

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Whether that's on county roadways, on city roadways, state roadways, all of the service impacts that we just discussed.

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We'll have an impact on the ability to move that many people through our county effectively and efficiently.

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So with that, I will try to leave on a high note.

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So we did have a department meeting last Thursday, a department why?

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To go over this presentation because we didn't want this presentation to be the first that are folks.

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And I feel is our best asset is our people.

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And we had the 150 people, about 130 people there,

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at our extension services.

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And they asked a lot of good questions,

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and Chris Patton was there with all of the material.

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And there wasn't one piece of material left that Chris brought.

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And they wanted to know what this means,

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because they wanted to educate the residents and the people they interact with on a daily basis of what that would mean for them.

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And so I'm just so proud of the Public Works Department because they really, truly care about this community,

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and they really want to do the best job, and they want the residents to know what this could look like.

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So with that, if there's any questions, I'd be more than happy to take them.

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Thank you very much, Christchurch Zimbabwe.

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I've got a couple for you all and then for the county attorney in this regards.

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And I respect your input and everything that you and your staff have put together.

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And you've been in this business for quite some time.

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Very much.

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Only in this county.

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Are you trying to ask my aid?

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No, not.

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I was trained by three very fine women.

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not to go down that back but you've worked for much larger organization in public

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service to the Seminole County, correct? Yes. How many times in all the years

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that you've been in this role have you received a call from somebody that says

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don't fix the bottle or don't fix the sidewalk? No. Has that ever occurred? No.

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after her cane or storm have you ever received phone call saying hey don't

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remove the debris just leave it there for a couple months to let it rot a

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little bit never never happen these are easy questions

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That's right.

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Well, I'm just trying to, obviously, make a point, but going to the county attorney, if we do arrive at a point where some of these assets have to not be repaired, whether it be sidewalks, potholes, and so forth, what liability, if any, do the taxpayers have, and I ask this question because as the chair knows, the chair usually gets noticed

1248
02:15:29,920 --> 02:15:37,260
of lawsuits, recording sidewalks and fences and bottles and so forth, is there a liability

1249
02:15:37,260 --> 02:15:38,400
there at cost to the taxpayer?

1250
02:15:40,320 --> 02:15:44,800
Commissioner, generally speaking, when you're making changes and reducing services, government

1251
02:15:44,800 --> 02:15:49,860
services, that's a discretionary planning function of the government, which the government

1252
02:15:49,860 --> 02:15:51,520
is immune from that kind of liability.

1253
02:15:51,900 --> 02:15:59,060
The risk is when we're changing these mowing schedules or road repair schedules, we need

1254
02:15:59,060 --> 02:16:04,160
We need to make sure we accurately and promptly reflect our policies, our schedules,

1255
02:16:04,180 --> 02:16:08,860
because if we're not meeting those schedules, once they've been changed, that's where the liability comes in.

1256
02:16:08,940 --> 02:16:16,420
If we say we're going to mo every three months, then we don't, and then there's an accident based on a visibility issue that exposes the county.

1257
02:16:17,180 --> 02:16:25,980
However, so if we're going to reduce services, we need to make sure that all of our policies, all of our schedules are updated to reflect the reduction in schedules,

1258
02:16:25,980 --> 02:16:33,360
the reduction in services, but just changing those policies, standing alone, is a discretionary

1259
02:16:33,360 --> 02:16:36,560
government function for which the county is immune.

1260
02:16:37,000 --> 02:16:40,800
Maybe my question wasn't quite spelled out well enough.

1261
02:16:41,740 --> 02:16:43,180
Well, I thought that was a really great answer.

1262
02:16:43,760 --> 02:16:44,140
It was.

1263
02:16:44,460 --> 02:16:44,780
It was.

1264
02:16:45,180 --> 02:16:46,020
It was fantastic.

1265
02:16:47,120 --> 02:16:53,180
So, if we decide we're not fixing sidewalks because there's no money there to do it, and

1266
02:16:53,180 --> 02:16:56,100
Somebody trips or falls, breaks an ankle, breaks a knee, whatever.

1267
02:16:57,060 --> 02:17:00,700
Do we have any responsibility there because we didn't fix it?

1268
02:17:00,740 --> 02:17:02,860
I mean, of course, this is a lawyer answer.

1269
02:17:03,020 --> 02:17:06,620
Everything is different, but you know, if we're put on notice that a sidewalk is

1270
02:17:06,620 --> 02:17:10,620
hazardous and then somebody falls and hurts themselves, we definitely have liability

1271
02:17:10,620 --> 02:17:16,160
there, but again, you go back to on what schedule is the county supposed to be

1272
02:17:16,900 --> 02:17:19,160
inspecting and repairing their sidewalks.

1273
02:17:19,280 --> 02:17:22,900
So I would go back to making sure that however often we intend to do it,

1274
02:17:22,900 --> 02:17:26,980
But however often we can afford to do it, that our policy is reflect that.

1275
02:17:27,480 --> 02:17:27,620
Great.

1276
02:17:28,160 --> 02:17:29,820
Well, thank you very much.

1277
02:17:29,880 --> 02:17:35,260
I appreciate the answers from both, just to flush those out so the public is fully aware.

1278
02:17:35,940 --> 02:17:39,680
What some of this stuff really means, I mean, it's the things that aren't said sometimes,

1279
02:17:39,680 --> 02:17:42,620
that you need to worry about versus the things that are said.

1280
02:17:43,480 --> 02:17:48,940
But good work, I appreciate the deep dives you've done and working through that.

1281
02:17:48,940 --> 02:17:53,380
that I have reflect back, like 2018 or 2019,

1282
02:17:53,380 --> 02:17:55,320
we had the discussion and Commissioner Law Carton.

1283
02:17:55,400 --> 02:17:56,460
I were fairly new here.

1284
02:17:57,060 --> 02:17:59,660
We had started getting complaints as new commissioners

1285
02:17:59,660 --> 02:18:03,220
about the infrequency of mowing the medians

1286
02:18:03,220 --> 02:18:09,320
and the sides to roads because of the 2009-2008 downturn

1287
02:18:09,680 --> 02:18:12,240
the county made a decision to only do it, I guess,

1288
02:18:12,320 --> 02:18:15,400
twice a year instead of the six times a year

1289
02:18:15,400 --> 02:18:17,080
or three times a year versus six.

1290
02:18:17,080 --> 02:18:39,320
And I think we're finally just recently in the last couple of years gotten back to the previous schedule which we had complaints about, rodents and mice and things running around out of these things and people's yards and just complaining doesn't look worth a hoot when they go into their home or their office so far so.

1291
02:18:40,040 --> 02:18:43,740
Thank you all very much for that good information.

1292
02:18:43,740 --> 02:18:44,960
Thank you, Mr. Delarry.

1293
02:18:45,280 --> 02:18:45,920
Thank you, Madam Chair.

1294
02:18:46,840 --> 02:18:50,060
So let's go back a little further, back on the early 2000s.

1295
02:18:50,780 --> 02:18:54,820
Policy of the county back then used to be, you'd call in a pothole by 9 a.m.

1296
02:18:55,260 --> 02:18:59,840
It was fixed by 5 p.m., that was the policy.

1297
02:19:00,380 --> 02:19:03,040
And county staff did a phenomenal job in doing that.

1298
02:19:03,700 --> 02:19:06,620
And then around 0708, that had a change.

1299
02:19:07,480 --> 02:19:11,320
And then each budget session since then it's changed quite a bit.

1300
02:19:11,320 --> 02:19:18,680
But also going back then, there was a large discussion in O7, I think it was, where we talked

1301
02:19:18,680 --> 02:19:26,300
about stormwater fees because the seven cities have stormwater fees and County does not have

1302
02:19:26,300 --> 02:19:26,960
a stormwater fee.

1303
02:19:27,080 --> 02:19:30,100
We pay for stormwater out of our general fund and out of the one-set sales tax.

1304
02:19:32,420 --> 02:19:36,180
And I'm not going to go into details, but you can all watch the tapes.

1305
02:19:36,180 --> 02:19:42,840
we actually talked about a stone water fee and it was packed and what I mean by

1306
02:19:42,840 --> 02:19:51,100
packed we literally had a set up chairs and monitors outside intense because

1307
02:19:51,100 --> 02:19:56,600
people would be in bust-in from all around the county and we did not move forward

1308
02:19:56,600 --> 02:19:59,960
with that, but it's always been...

1309
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:29,780
An issue out there because the county does not have a stormwater fee in the seven cities do, so we pay for it out of our general fund. I just want to make sure that that's out there because I don't want to go there. I'm ready to live through it a couple of times. I was one of the ones in the parking lot that couldn't get to see the mayor. I understand that, but we won't go into those details. But I do have a couple of questions, and that is when it comes to stormwater and TMDLs, are we required to maintain

1310
02:20:31,160 --> 02:20:36,560
T-M-D-L's, total max and daily loads of pollutants at a certain level, and is that required

1311
02:20:36,560 --> 02:20:38,260
by state and federal?

1312
02:20:38,780 --> 02:20:44,000
Yes, so I think we can address that later on in the later presentation.

1313
02:20:44,140 --> 02:20:45,160
Yeah, that's part of our presentation.

1314
02:20:45,340 --> 02:20:47,360
But you did talk about Stonewater, that's why I'm bringing it to you.

1315
02:20:48,120 --> 02:20:54,180
Then the next question I have is, when you talk about road maintenance, how would that be

1316
02:20:54,180 --> 02:20:58,620
addressing on emergency vehicles response times, and how would that affect us?

1317
02:20:59,820 --> 02:21:24,280
Yeah, that's a good question because, so like I said, we would have to set standards as going with County Attorney on what is public safety and the next question I have is when it comes to road maintenance and lack thereof, how does that affect the economic viability of a business of people getting to from those businesses?

1318
02:21:24,280 --> 02:21:27,520
It's the backbone, transportation, as I said, yeah.

1319
02:21:27,840 --> 02:21:30,680
That will be reviewed and evaluated in a later day.

1320
02:21:31,180 --> 02:21:32,140
Okay, thank you, Madam Chair.

1321
02:21:33,600 --> 02:21:34,680
Yes, I'm sure you're welcome.

1322
02:21:36,360 --> 02:21:46,520
Going back to the ice cube tray, I want to ask you, if you all have fully evaluated all of the projects that are maintenance

1323
02:21:48,800 --> 02:21:54,080
and various and sundry other things that you are doing in public works, there are currently being spent

1324
02:21:54,080 --> 02:22:13,260
out of the general fund that could be shifted to the sales tax, understanding that the sales tax is for capital and isn't supposed to be used for ordinary maintenance or can't be used for ordinary maintenance, have you evaluated any opportunities of shifting from general fund to the sales tax?

1325
02:22:13,260 --> 02:22:20,680
So, I think this county and just coming in here, you have already done that, okay?

1326
02:22:21,000 --> 02:22:27,140
So, for example, the resurfacing program is out of the sales tax, not out of the general fund.

1327
02:22:28,020 --> 02:22:35,140
The sidewalk repairs that we talked about, a portion of that is from the sales tax.

1328
02:22:35,980 --> 02:22:44,060
So a lot of what we have already implemented is part of that.

1329
02:22:44,480 --> 02:22:48,860
The routine maintenance is what comes out of the general fund.

1330
02:22:49,060 --> 02:22:55,560
So we've already, really, you've got a lot of that already shifted now.

1331
02:22:56,440 --> 02:23:01,200
You know, when you talk about lean mean fighting, I mean, this is what you guys have already

1332
02:23:01,200 --> 02:23:10,460
be operated under, you know, and efficiently and effectively, but then for cuts, it's really

1333
02:23:10,460 --> 02:23:11,500
right into the bone.

1334
02:23:11,960 --> 02:23:12,100
Okay.

1335
02:23:12,640 --> 02:23:17,660
I wanted to make sure we got that on the record because I think there is a lot of misconception

1336
02:23:17,660 --> 02:23:22,820
about which revenues can be used for what types of services and someone might say, well,

1337
02:23:23,280 --> 02:23:29,300
all of these sidewalk repairs just do them out of the penny sales tax and it's been made

1338
02:23:29,300 --> 02:23:35,780
very clear to us as a board, and I'm not sure that all of our citizens fully grasp

1339
02:23:35,780 --> 02:23:43,320
what revenues can be spent on which expenditures. And so if we're extending the life of a

1340
02:23:43,320 --> 02:23:46,020
capital asset, we can use penny sales tax. Is that correct?

1341
02:23:46,400 --> 02:23:46,860
Correct.

1342
02:23:47,420 --> 02:23:50,540
But if it's routine maintenance, we cannot. Is that correct?

1343
02:23:50,860 --> 02:23:51,220
That's correct.

1344
02:23:51,620 --> 02:23:55,300
Okay. That's a big distinction in these conversations.

1345
02:23:55,720 --> 02:23:58,680
I think it's important that we continue to educate on that piece.

1346
02:23:58,680 --> 02:23:59,500
Thank you.

1347
02:23:59,720 --> 02:24:03,220
Well, and I'll pick up from there and say I think another big distinction is that we

1348
02:24:03,220 --> 02:24:08,760
actually are very aggressive about operating within the rules of governance.

1349
02:24:09,720 --> 02:24:14,820
We don't go into the warnings track just by the nature of all five of us.

1350
02:24:16,100 --> 02:24:28,660
And so something that keeps resonating with me about this is the fact that the impact of

1351
02:24:28,660 --> 02:24:36,160
very, very clearly within the rules and boundaries of the governance is probably most

1352
02:24:36,160 --> 02:24:36,600
harmed.

1353
02:24:36,940 --> 02:24:37,260
Hey, men.

1354
02:24:37,760 --> 02:24:44,240
And so one of the questions that I have for either Missoulaure or you, Mr. Gray, you've

1355
02:24:44,240 --> 02:24:45,780
both been in other counties.

1356
02:24:46,440 --> 02:24:52,400
How do we compare from a staffing perspective, what is your evaluation against?

1357
02:24:52,900 --> 02:24:54,080
I would like to be it on the spot.

1358
02:24:54,080 --> 02:24:59,620
No, on the spot because I think the point is really important to the Seminole County

1359
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:07,780
We have done what we can do. There's always room for improvement. We look for it every year to

1360
02:25:07,780 --> 02:25:14,480
commissioners and Bowers Point. But, I mean, I'm out there. I deal with, I, I look at

1361
02:25:14,480 --> 02:25:20,240
censuses for a living. So, I can answer this question myself, but you two are experts and

1362
02:25:20,240 --> 02:25:26,280
you see it as it relates to the operations of a county. And I'll go first and I'll let

1363
02:25:26,280 --> 02:25:31,300
for her experience, and as you said, I think at every county in Central Florida.

1364
02:25:31,300 --> 02:25:33,340
So I know a lot about how they're funded.

1365
02:25:33,500 --> 02:25:38,080
This county, I was very amazed when I came in and I did my really audit and

1366
02:25:38,080 --> 02:25:40,000
sat down with Mr. Jackson.

1367
02:25:40,160 --> 02:25:43,980
We went through each of the funds on how we provide services.

1368
02:25:44,520 --> 02:25:55,260
What this county has done remarkable is actually moved things that they possibly can out of property tax revenue into what we call a special revenue.

1369
02:25:55,260 --> 02:25:58,660
that is restricted, that can only be used for that source.

1370
02:25:58,960 --> 02:26:05,400
And if you look at our general fund, and I would welcome anyone who wants to sit down and discuss, we're very transparent.

1371
02:26:05,540 --> 02:26:12,980
We will open up everything, we will show them, and actually maybe even learn something from others that want to come and share that.

1372
02:26:13,060 --> 02:26:16,580
We did a lot of that last year, as you know, when we went through our budget process.

1373
02:26:16,820 --> 02:26:24,480
But really, if you look at our general fund and the way our property taxes are allocated, it is clearly at bare bones.

1374
02:26:24,480 --> 02:26:29,660
It is mostly public safety, it's Sheriff and the Fire Department emergency management.

1375
02:26:30,240 --> 02:26:35,060
And again, we have looked at a lot of other special revenue opportunities that are restricted,

1376
02:26:35,200 --> 02:26:40,240
that could be used for services that we provide, our residents and business owners.

1377
02:26:40,500 --> 02:26:46,620
Other counties in Central Florida are going through the same thing, I personally as a manager have done that exercise,

1378
02:26:47,280 --> 02:26:51,280
especially as we've talked about the downturn of the economy in 2008, 9, 10.

1379
02:26:51,280 --> 02:26:53,120
We all had to go through that exercise.

1380
02:26:53,120 --> 02:27:01,980
As you remember during 2007-08, we also had a mandatory rollback of military rates from the state legislature and that we had to go through that process.

1381
02:27:02,660 --> 02:27:08,840
So it's almost every probably, I'd say, five to ten years we go through this process and we really look at it.

1382
02:27:08,920 --> 02:27:22,920
But this county, if all the counties that I have worked in has actually done a really remarkable job about really putting property tax dollars to direct services that really enhance the quality of life and emergency response here in the county.

1383
02:27:22,920 --> 02:27:24,020
Thank you.

1384
02:27:24,700 --> 02:27:25,580
Anything to add?

1385
02:27:25,740 --> 02:27:26,440
You can say no.

1386
02:27:27,780 --> 02:27:33,160
No, I would say, you know, as commissioners and borrowers, so I've been around for a long time.

1387
02:27:35,820 --> 02:27:36,340
No.

1388
02:27:37,200 --> 02:27:46,360
But someone who county has always been known for that fiscally responsible and really operating as a business.

1389
02:27:46,360 --> 02:27:50,100
And it's known throughout the region for that.

1390
02:27:50,780 --> 02:27:55,880
And as somebody mentioned, when you have a government operating like that,

1391
02:27:56,180 --> 02:28:02,020
these kind of cuts are devastating because you don't have that.

1392
02:28:02,940 --> 02:28:04,780
You just, you don't.

1393
02:28:04,880 --> 02:28:09,800
And so you just have to start cutting services.

1394
02:28:10,320 --> 02:28:15,640
And that's not what we want to do at all because we want to maintain the infrastructure.

1395
02:28:16,360 --> 02:28:19,180
That was built utilizing tax dollars as well.

1396
02:28:19,720 --> 02:28:27,040
So I would like to get a few things from a clarifying factor here on the record.

1397
02:28:27,040 --> 02:28:34,880
You did mention that you would turn traffic signals into four way stops in order to stop maintaining them.

1398
02:28:35,200 --> 02:28:40,980
Meaning the traffic signal would continue to blink down a traffic signal that we've already paid for.

1399
02:28:40,980 --> 02:28:41,280
Yeah.

1400
02:28:41,760 --> 02:28:47,180
We could, well, we could, they could blink or we would just shut it off baguette.

1401
02:28:47,960 --> 02:28:48,720
Right, baguette.

1402
02:28:50,300 --> 02:28:51,880
So that could be done.

1403
02:28:52,120 --> 02:28:53,900
Now, that's a, we don't want to do that.

1404
02:28:54,240 --> 02:28:56,440
I mean, it was, the traffic signal was warranted.

1405
02:28:56,580 --> 02:29:01,560
These wouldn't be on your major arterials, obviously, more on the side streets,

1406
02:29:01,840 --> 02:29:04,420
too lane to too lane type of thing.

1407
02:29:05,160 --> 02:29:10,240
So what I think is interesting about this discussion, there's also, there was also

1408
02:29:10,240 --> 02:29:13,680
to talk about street lights and other assets

1409
02:29:13,680 --> 02:29:15,780
that have already been purchased with taxpayer money

1410
02:29:16,240 --> 02:29:18,500
is that while we don't want to do that

1411
02:29:18,500 --> 02:29:21,200
and we may not do that, and I would tell you,

1412
02:29:21,280 --> 02:29:22,840
I would personally try to figure out every way

1413
02:29:22,840 --> 02:29:23,980
that we didn't have to do that.

1414
02:29:26,260 --> 02:29:29,220
That could be expected in neighboring communities.

1415
02:29:30,060 --> 02:29:31,800
So it is on the table.

1416
02:29:31,940 --> 02:29:33,360
I think from an educational perspective,

1417
02:29:33,600 --> 02:29:34,880
it's good to put it out there.

1418
02:29:35,140 --> 02:29:38,760
I don't want anybody to panic about that happening here.

1419
02:29:40,240 --> 02:29:46,880
But what I would say is very realistic is that our look at mass transit needs to continue

1420
02:29:46,880 --> 02:29:48,260
whether this passes or not.

1421
02:29:48,480 --> 02:29:50,020
I think we're all aligned on that.

1422
02:29:50,700 --> 02:29:55,420
I think that's one way to get ready for whatever happens whether this passes or not, something

1423
02:29:55,420 --> 02:29:59,240
else will, and we're already ahead of that as well.

1424
02:30:00,430 --> 02:30:14,250
Any other comments with regard to this? I would just say that the following up on that is that the public needs to understand the five of us sitting here.

1425
02:30:16,560 --> 02:30:31,920
I think we have a core value that money doesn't grow in trees. We're not wasting taxpayers dollars. And we're probably one of the first. One of us to raise the red flag if we see something that doesn't make sense from a financial feasibility or efficiency stand.

1426
02:30:31,920 --> 02:30:37,340
point. You know, I'm as guilty as anybody else before I was in government and got a look

1427
02:30:37,340 --> 02:30:41,860
behind the curtain. You know, governments always fat and happy and taking too many of my tax

1428
02:30:41,860 --> 02:30:42,220
dollars.

1429
02:30:44,280 --> 02:30:48,860
But you know, you've heard me say it my first budget session that I went through

1430
02:30:49,640 --> 02:30:54,160
at this county. When I looked at everything, I said, y'all are so fiscally conservative,

1431
02:30:54,420 --> 02:30:59,000
you're about to go out of business or no longer be able to supply the services. You need to

1432
02:30:59,000 --> 02:31:04,260
supply to these residents. And that was the truth. And finally, we've slowly come back

1433
02:31:04,260 --> 02:31:11,200
to a reasonable level of service. But you know, I would invite any citizen to come walk

1434
02:31:11,200 --> 02:31:17,080
with me through this building and see somebody goofing off our group of employees sitting

1435
02:31:17,080 --> 02:31:21,980
around doing anything. Not doing anything because it's just not happening. If anything, they're

1436
02:31:21,980 --> 02:31:28,700
running around with their own fire because they got too much to do and none of the staff

1437
02:31:28,700 --> 02:31:33,720
That's what we all hold up here on this dius, and like I said, there's always one of

1438
02:31:33,720 --> 02:31:42,000
us usually raises it when we see something, when we say something, so to your point we

1439
02:31:42,000 --> 02:31:48,780
will be penalized if this passes very much like when we put the officers in the schools,

1440
02:31:49,920 --> 02:31:55,860
and we were one of the first, if not the first, in the state to do that, and then the state

1441
02:31:55,860 --> 02:32:00,820
We subsidized other counties to do it, we had already paid for it, we were going to give you money from the county, or from the state.

1442
02:32:01,780 --> 02:32:10,560
But our residents have time and again, with the proper information, prove it to us, and they make the right decisions.

1443
02:32:11,140 --> 02:32:16,140
And that's this part of the sector's sizes to make sure they get as much information as we possibly can.

1444
02:32:16,780 --> 02:32:17,600
So thank you again.

1445
02:32:17,960 --> 02:32:18,280
Thank you.

1446
02:32:18,740 --> 02:32:22,500
All right, I think we're ready to move on to water quality and mosquito control.

1447
02:32:22,760 --> 02:32:23,060
Thank you.

1448
02:32:23,880 --> 02:32:25,840
Mosquito control through AI.

1449
02:32:30,010 --> 02:32:33,010
Up next is water quality mosquito control with Cam Hornberg.

1450
02:32:33,770 --> 02:32:38,790
The total watershed management budget coming from property taxes is $3.1 million.

1451
02:32:39,470 --> 02:32:47,450
A 20% reduction would be about $600,000 and their budget includes 21 full time positions.

1452
02:32:48,130 --> 02:32:53,050
This $3.1 million makes up about 1.5% of our total property tax revenues.

1453
02:32:54,470 --> 02:32:58,010
Thank you Tim, we'll start with our water quality.

1454
02:32:58,630 --> 02:33:04,170
Once again, we all know the Seminole County motto is Florida's natural choice,

1455
02:33:04,630 --> 02:33:10,470
which is so true because we have such an abundance of amazing natural resources

1456
02:33:10,470 --> 02:33:12,790
that we enjoy and want to protect.

1457
02:33:13,410 --> 02:33:14,930
So start with some quick stats.

1458
02:33:15,570 --> 02:33:19,310
We have over 200 named lakes including our three great lakes,

1459
02:33:19,310 --> 02:33:21,950
likes Jessup, Harney and Monroe,

1460
02:33:22,830 --> 02:33:25,210
our major rivers include the St. John's,

1461
02:33:25,250 --> 02:33:27,750
which makes up the county's eastern and northern borders,

1462
02:33:28,350 --> 02:33:29,930
and is where all the county's

1463
02:33:29,930 --> 02:33:31,750
surface water eventually drains to.

1464
02:33:32,410 --> 02:33:33,670
And here's the fun fact,

1465
02:33:33,950 --> 02:33:36,550
it's one of only 14 rivers in the nation

1466
02:33:36,550 --> 02:33:39,130
that's been designated an American heritage river.

1467
02:33:39,990 --> 02:33:42,510
Then there's the big and little alkyver rivers,

1468
02:33:42,690 --> 02:33:44,450
which are designated as national,

1469
02:33:44,870 --> 02:33:48,670
wild and scenic rivers as well as state aquatic preserves,

1470
02:33:48,670 --> 02:33:55,290
and outstanding Florida waters, and finally the big and little e-con lock tachy or e-con

1471
02:33:55,290 --> 02:33:58,770
rivers which are also outstanding Florida waters.

1472
02:33:59,530 --> 02:34:04,690
And now to our springs, everyone's familiar with the Wakaiwa spring, our first magnitude

1473
02:34:04,690 --> 02:34:12,070
outstanding Florida spring, but we have several others that range in size and magnitude, including

1474
02:34:12,070 --> 02:34:16,530
in San Lando, Palm, Clifton, Starbuck, and Little Ginger Ale.

1475
02:34:17,350 --> 02:34:23,230
Altogether, there's about 22,000 acres or 10% of the county that's made up of surface water.

1476
02:34:24,110 --> 02:34:29,510
So with all of these great natural resources, we have several programs that help us maintain

1477
02:34:29,510 --> 02:34:30,370
and protect them.

1478
02:34:30,670 --> 02:34:35,110
Our Lake Management Program monitors and manages both public and private water bodies.

1479
02:34:35,490 --> 02:34:40,650
We have a comprehensive water chemistry and biological monitoring program.

1480
02:34:40,650 --> 02:34:46,370
We conduct investigations into illegal dumping and pollution discharges.

1481
02:34:46,650 --> 02:34:54,130
We have an extensive public education and outreach program, which includes our public service announcements and our water atlas.

1482
02:34:54,130 --> 02:34:59,970
Our shoreline protection program was initiated just a few years ago to help further see

1483
02:35:01,540 --> 02:35:10,200
We also conduct large and small-scale restoration and capital projects, like the one we just completed recently on the little Akiva.

1484
02:35:13,200 --> 02:35:30,560
So, as you saw from the budget numbers, it's not a large program, but we have ten full-time staff, scientists, and technicians, and two part-time interns. We manage 26 lakes or chains of lakes through the county's MSVU program, which has mentioned before are self-taxing districts.

1485
02:35:30,560 --> 02:35:38,020
districts. Our staff collects an average of 9,000 water chemistry samples a year, conducts

1486
02:35:38,020 --> 02:35:44,700
over 400 lake and 200 shoreline inspections, as well as over 200 educational events and

1487
02:35:44,700 --> 02:35:51,100
100 resident-requested environmental investigations each year. The program is primarily focused

1488
02:35:51,100 --> 02:35:58,240
on the unincorporated areas, but our staff is always willing to help residents and citizens

1489
02:35:58,240 --> 02:36:04,140
regardless of where they live. Most of the program's activities actually positively impact the

1490
02:36:04,140 --> 02:36:10,100
city's anyway because water doesn't know jurisdictional boundaries. And this is why we established

1491
02:36:10,100 --> 02:36:16,520
over the years interlocal agreements with our city and regional partners to work cooperatively

1492
02:36:16,520 --> 02:36:19,380
together on protecting our water resources.

1493
02:36:22,330 --> 02:36:24,410
The Water Quality Program was started in the late

1494
02:36:24,410 --> 02:36:42,810
As a result of state and federal unfunded mandates and regulatory requirements including the Federal Clean Water Act, the state's impaired waters rule, water quality criteria and base and management action plans which identify regional strategies to protect and restore our water bodies.

1495
02:36:43,370 --> 02:36:49,730
As you can see from this, the colors on this map about two-thirds of the county falls into an impaired watershed.

1496
02:36:49,730 --> 02:36:56,430
In the nearly three decades since the program's inception, we have seen significant improvements

1497
02:36:56,430 --> 02:37:02,470
in our stormwater runoff and in many of our natural systems through education, collaboration,

1498
02:37:03,010 --> 02:37:06,290
monitoring and restoration, but we still have farther to go.

1499
02:37:09,460 --> 02:37:11,520
So what are the impacts of the program?

1500
02:37:11,940 --> 02:37:17,800
We would likely see reductions in our current service levels, including to our monitoring network,

1501
02:37:17,800 --> 02:37:24,920
our education and a more limited ability to assist and provide free technical advice to our residents.

1502
02:37:25,800 --> 02:37:32,320
We may have to scale back the program to maintain only minimum regulatory compliance required

1503
02:37:32,940 --> 02:37:37,560
instead of the holistic cooperative watershed approach we currently have in place.

1504
02:37:38,420 --> 02:37:42,840
Ultimately, this could result in less protection of our natural systems and

1505
02:37:42,840 --> 02:37:47,920
And could lead to degraded water quality with potentially higher long term costs to the

1506
02:37:47,920 --> 02:37:53,620
community in order to meet these water quality standards, because the cost of cleanup and

1507
02:37:53,620 --> 02:38:00,560
restoration is more expensive and difficult than the cost of prevention, especially this

1508
02:38:00,560 --> 02:38:06,080
ties into what Tony was talking about with reductions in maintenance as well.

1509
02:38:06,480 --> 02:38:11,940
We may end up having to seek alternative funding sources in order to meet the long term regulatory

1510
02:38:11,940 --> 02:38:15,880
compliance and to maintain the established levels of service.

1511
02:38:19,320 --> 02:38:25,080
All right, now on to our mosquito control program, and while this is not a state or federally

1512
02:38:25,080 --> 02:38:31,480
mandated program, it is a state certified program which receives a small amount about $60,000

1513
02:38:31,480 --> 02:38:32,920
a year from the state.

1514
02:38:33,500 --> 02:38:38,360
The mission of the program is to protect health, the health and well-being of our residents

1515
02:38:38,360 --> 02:38:41,800
through the controlled mosquitoes and mosquito-borne illnesses.

1516
02:38:41,800 --> 02:38:48,980
The current program was created about 20 years ago and established a proactive science-based

1517
02:38:48,980 --> 02:38:55,220
integrated pest management program that's data-driven and uses the most environmentally-friendly

1518
02:38:55,220 --> 02:39:01,160
products available, which are tested continually and rotated to ensure effectiveness.

1519
02:39:02,140 --> 02:39:05,800
Listed here are some of the activities within our program.

1520
02:39:05,800 --> 02:39:10,980
We have our surveillance, which includes sentinel chickens, mosquito traps, landing rates,

1521
02:39:11,620 --> 02:39:18,100
and mosquito identification using our new AI-assisted system, which you may have seen recently

1522
02:39:18,100 --> 02:39:19,220
on the local news.

1523
02:39:20,200 --> 02:39:25,860
We have source reduction, larva siding, which is the most efficient way to eliminate mosquito

1524
02:39:25,860 --> 02:39:32,540
populations before they reach adulthood, and targeted fogging, which is the activity most

1525
02:39:32,540 --> 02:39:39,160
people are familiar with, and an extensive public education program including public service

1526
02:39:39,160 --> 02:39:45,180
announcements, individual residential inspections, and educational door hangers that identify

1527
02:39:45,180 --> 02:39:46,280
breeding habitats.

1528
02:39:49,670 --> 02:39:55,750
So this Armistito control program unlike the Water Quality is a countywide program and includes

1529
02:39:55,750 --> 02:39:59,150
all seven cities in addition to the incorporated areas.

1530
02:40:00,000 --> 02:40:07,000
Our team assist our nearly 500,000 residents and covers the entire 220,000 acres of the county.

1531
02:40:07,500 --> 02:40:14,880
This is all accomplished by a very small, mighty, and efficient team of only 10 full-time employees.

1532
02:40:16,280 --> 02:40:21,320
When compared to other mosquito programs, our current program, the cost per resident and

1533
02:40:21,320 --> 02:40:27,540
per acre are the lowest in the region. And as you can see, we accomplish quite a bit every

1534
02:40:27,540 --> 02:40:33,240
year with this team. They addressed over 2,000 customer service requests. They fog over

1535
02:40:33,240 --> 02:40:40,300
160,000 acres, the larva site around 8,500 acres of standing water, and respond to an

1536
02:40:40,300 --> 02:40:46,000
average of 13 disease vector each year. I'd say these are pretty impressive statistics

1537
02:40:46,000 --> 02:40:47,280
for only 10 people.

1538
02:40:49,570 --> 02:40:53,430
All right, so what are the potential impacts of the program? As with

1539
02:40:53,430 --> 02:40:57,930
all the other programs, we would likely see a reduction in our current service levels.

1540
02:40:57,930 --> 02:41:09,050
The most visible reduction would be to our fogging program due to chemical costs and the cost of extended staff hours needed to complete the missions at the current levels.

1541
02:41:09,930 --> 02:41:19,670
Our staff provides fogging services not only to neighborhoods but for special events like the 4th of July, as well as to our sports complexes, the zoo, and to the airport.

1542
02:41:20,810 --> 02:41:25,470
Our ability to respond to resident requests could also be reduced.

1543
02:41:25,470 --> 02:41:37,330
The budget reduction may result in a shift from the current prevention-focused mission or pro-active to an outbreak response driven program more reactive.

1544
02:41:37,950 --> 02:41:44,250
This could ultimately lead to increased mosquito populations and a higher risk of mosquito-borne diseases.

1545
02:41:45,230 --> 02:41:54,070
And again, alternative funding sources would need to be considered in order to continue the current county-wide service and response levels.

1546
02:41:59,010 --> 02:42:07,230
That's all I have, but I conclude my presentation, but if reaching back to what was asked as far

1547
02:42:07,230 --> 02:42:16,910
as when Tony was speaking, the NPDES has a minimum maintenance requirements for the storm

1548
02:42:16,910 --> 02:42:24,390
water systems, but again with all of our programs we try to do more than the minimum and

1549
02:42:24,390 --> 02:42:28,990
and responses, you know, that would have a negative impact on those, so.

1550
02:42:30,090 --> 02:42:33,290
So we do more than the minimum to keep our water clean.

1551
02:42:33,810 --> 02:42:33,990
Yes.

1552
02:42:35,130 --> 02:42:36,970
Let's hope we don't get faulted for that.

1553
02:42:38,690 --> 02:42:39,090
Agreed.

1554
02:42:39,330 --> 02:42:42,650
Then you could be the hero to come in and save our water after it gets ruined.

1555
02:42:42,850 --> 02:42:43,810
Let's not do it that way.

1556
02:42:44,570 --> 02:42:45,910
All right, commissioners, any comments?

1557
02:42:47,730 --> 02:42:48,130
Yes.

1558
02:42:49,510 --> 02:42:54,190
I noticed both Kim and Tawny, and I don't remember if Rick said this or not,

1559
02:42:54,190 --> 02:43:04,030
But I've noticed a couple of times the last slide identified, we'll have to find alternative funding.

1560
02:43:05,170 --> 02:43:09,510
Can you tell me what you're envisioning as alternative funding?

1561
02:43:09,850 --> 02:43:11,810
And why would we not be seeking that already?

1562
02:43:12,970 --> 02:43:17,870
But as you know, so the state sets up how we receive money through, and

1563
02:43:17,870 --> 02:43:22,290
there's only two ways, we governments, local governments receive dollars and

1564
02:43:22,290 --> 02:43:23,390
and it's through taxes or fees.

1565
02:43:23,830 --> 02:43:24,930
That's all what it is.

1566
02:43:25,850 --> 02:43:30,030
There are another what we call non-advalorem fees

1567
02:43:30,670 --> 02:43:32,970
that could actually be used instead of

1568
02:43:32,970 --> 02:43:34,530
advalorem property taxes.

1569
02:43:34,990 --> 02:43:38,690
And so that is whereas a service wouldn't it's assessed

1570
02:43:39,310 --> 02:43:41,750
right now, we use our property tax dollars

1571
02:43:41,750 --> 02:43:43,870
for a public safety.

1572
02:43:44,030 --> 02:43:47,230
But there are other options that we could use

1573
02:43:47,230 --> 02:43:50,550
that could actually be a non-property tax

1574
02:43:50,550 --> 02:43:55,070
or not, what they call non-advalorant fee, that the board then would have to discuss.

1575
02:43:55,330 --> 02:43:58,710
We would have to do a study to ensure the equity of it and things like that.

1576
02:43:58,910 --> 02:44:06,370
So that's a whole nother process, but the state they do allow us to go that avenue.

1577
02:44:06,950 --> 02:44:12,590
So that's one other, as we always seek, is grants and other special revenue opportunities.

1578
02:44:13,370 --> 02:44:18,150
We're already the city managers, myself, all got together a month,

1579
02:44:18,150 --> 02:44:26,250
About six weeks ago to talk about, again, we continue this dialogue all the time about sharing of services, things of that nature as well.

1580
02:44:26,830 --> 02:44:40,670
So the state has a book of revenues, I forget what the, it's called the local government revenue, the green book that has, because we're only restricted to exactly the revenues that the state allowed us to collect.

1581
02:44:40,890 --> 02:44:47,410
So we would, and some of them don't pertain to us at all, but I would say half of them probably could.

1582
02:44:47,410 --> 02:44:56,090
and that would be another exercise that our staff and that we would have to talk to the board about but other revenue opportunities that could come into the county.

1583
02:44:56,270 --> 02:44:59,690
It's complicated but and right now it's the

1584
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:04,500
And the series of going through that is very extensive. So it could not happen overnight.

1585
02:45:04,560 --> 02:45:09,140
It would need probably a good six-month to hear discussion on how we get to that to the end.

1586
02:45:10,880 --> 02:45:17,240
So a potential for some grants here and there, but if I'm just reading between the lines

1587
02:45:17,240 --> 02:45:21,320
and saying it very plainly, it would still be our citizens paying for it but out of a different

1588
02:45:21,320 --> 02:45:21,660
pocket.

1589
02:45:22,080 --> 02:45:22,160
Correct.

1590
02:45:22,400 --> 02:45:27,420
And some citizens who could actually maybe benefit from this property tax amendment three could

1591
02:45:27,420 --> 02:45:30,300
it actually paying more for this new type of source

1592
02:45:30,300 --> 02:45:31,860
that we would have to fund.

1593
02:45:32,380 --> 02:45:33,820
Be more like a user fee?

1594
02:45:34,040 --> 02:45:34,260
Correct.

1595
02:45:35,980 --> 02:45:39,020
And I always, I'll get off my cell box in it.

1596
02:45:39,140 --> 02:45:39,260
No.

1597
02:45:39,400 --> 02:45:41,280
The cost is what the cost is.

1598
02:45:41,580 --> 02:45:41,720
Right.

1599
02:45:42,140 --> 02:45:44,020
And I'll tell you the private sector a lot of times

1600
02:45:44,020 --> 02:45:46,700
dictates the cost that we provide to our rents

1601
02:45:46,700 --> 02:45:49,480
because all of our supplies, materials come

1602
02:45:49,480 --> 02:45:50,480
from the private sector.

1603
02:45:50,620 --> 02:45:51,640
Again, we don't make anything.

1604
02:45:51,800 --> 02:45:53,720
All we do is deliver services to our residents

1605
02:45:53,720 --> 02:45:54,500
of business owners.

1606
02:45:54,640 --> 02:45:56,720
So usually the private sector establishes

1607
02:45:56,720 --> 02:46:02,320
what that is, we'd have to competitively bid that, I mean we can't make deals behind the scene,

1608
02:46:02,500 --> 02:46:08,360
it's all publicly bid out and that's negotiated out in public and then we move forward with that.

1609
02:46:11,640 --> 02:46:18,400
So I'm assuming we've already looked and highlighted in the green book those potential additional fees

1610
02:46:18,400 --> 02:46:24,720
that would be appropriate and seminal, maybe appropriate, it's the wrong word allowable in

1611
02:46:24,720 --> 02:46:32,200
in Summonal County, at what point, after November 3rd, should this pass?

1612
02:46:32,420 --> 02:46:35,640
Will we start digging into that so that this board has the opportunity?

1613
02:46:36,100 --> 02:46:38,940
Because you're saying you need a six-months-to-year lead time.

1614
02:46:40,400 --> 02:46:41,840
Can you have a safe time?

1615
02:46:41,840 --> 02:46:42,380
Yeah, absolutely.

1616
02:46:42,960 --> 02:46:46,620
And as Mr. Jackson put out on one of his earlier slides.

1617
02:46:46,840 --> 02:46:52,500
So if this passes, and I know I've spoken with each of you, in fact, the chairman.

1618
02:46:52,500 --> 02:46:58,060
And I just spoke about this recently, is that we would immediately come in January to get correct.

1619
02:46:58,500 --> 02:47:02,720
This is not something that we're just sitting idle, and then just waiting if this happens.

1620
02:47:02,840 --> 02:47:10,540
That's why we're having these hearings right now to, we're already looking at if this happens, then what else needs to occur.

1621
02:47:10,780 --> 02:47:19,600
So January, we will already start that discussion with the Board of Public Meeting, discussing for once, just think about fire.

1622
02:47:19,600 --> 02:47:25,440
Right now, fire is funded through our MSG or our property taxes for fire.

1623
02:47:26,060 --> 02:47:32,560
There is an opportunity where you can do a fire fee, but that fire fee is restricted that can only be for

1624
02:47:32,560 --> 02:47:37,500
fire operations that cannot be used for say paramedics or anything medical.

1625
02:47:37,940 --> 02:47:40,480
So that would have to have another fee that attached to it.

1626
02:47:40,540 --> 02:47:48,280
So a lot of these are combination of fees that would have to come in to make that function whole, if you will.

1627
02:47:48,280 --> 02:48:10,900
So, but to answer your question immediately we would start in January, because what my goal would then be by the time we hit our budget work sessions in the summer, next summer, you will already have a road path and a road mark and a path forward of how you want us to move forward on not only what services you want, but how we would fund those services and the level of how we fund it.

1628
02:48:10,900 --> 02:48:11,740
All right. Thank you.

1629
02:48:12,060 --> 02:48:24,620
So I think the simplified answer to that question is the pre-work is already being done at staff level so that if this thing, if we get to a yes, in November, it starts right immediately of now what do we do?

1630
02:48:24,840 --> 02:48:24,920
Right.

1631
02:48:25,440 --> 02:48:33,160
And that includes involving citizens in terms of input and what you want us to take away, what do you want us to keep? And how do you want me?

1632
02:48:33,280 --> 02:48:37,220
It's going to have to be funded somehow, all of those discussions that we've had here already.

1633
02:48:37,220 --> 02:48:44,080
So, this part of the reason why we're doing these hearings is to be extremely proactive.

1634
02:48:44,120 --> 02:48:48,400
So, at the point that they're ready to bring it back to us, it's not the first time we're hearing all of this.

1635
02:48:48,940 --> 02:48:54,880
It's to speed to market concept of being ready to act effectively.

1636
02:48:55,560 --> 02:49:01,780
And then to identify, one thing that the, I guess, exercises we went through as a team,

1637
02:49:01,780 --> 02:49:07,960
the whole, all of our manager's directors, we had probably 60 to 70 people going through this.

1638
02:49:08,700 --> 02:49:15,820
What would the experience be for a resident or business owner if this was to pass on a service level?

1639
02:49:16,320 --> 02:49:18,700
And that's what we want to communicate today.

1640
02:49:19,100 --> 02:49:23,420
Not how if this does pass, how would we fix it in a sense?

1641
02:49:23,720 --> 02:49:28,400
But what would the service level look like if this was to pass?

1642
02:49:28,400 --> 02:49:46,920
And that's perhaps, and then if it does pass, then you're right, Commissioner Lockhart in the chair, is that we would then have to have a series of budget work sessions on all right if the community and the board wants the service at what level, what type of fee would we have to maintain that level that or charge that.

1643
02:49:48,920 --> 02:49:59,820
I would just dovetailing into that we are in a much better position in my opinion than many other entities because this board has pushed.

1644
02:50:00,000 --> 02:50:29,980
This staff for multiple years to bring efficiencies forth every single year during budget time in advance. So we're constantly looking at the efficiencies as we move forward. So it's not something that, you know, this staff is like, oh my gosh, we've never done this before. Now, what do we do? They do that by nature because this board insists that be done. So I think to everybody's point, we are starting early.

1645
02:50:29,980 --> 02:50:37,220
it is well thought out and as things go we will be prepared to hit the accelerator when

1646
02:50:37,220 --> 02:50:37,680
it needs to be.

1647
02:50:38,080 --> 02:50:39,840
Well it's a little bit of a double-edged sword.

1648
02:50:40,740 --> 02:50:45,540
We have been very effective and we do this as a regular course of action in every budgeting

1649
02:50:45,540 --> 02:50:48,020
cycle and that's been expected for years and years.

1650
02:50:48,200 --> 02:50:53,220
We're coming out of a time frame when there was a what I would call hyper conservatism that

1651
02:50:53,220 --> 02:50:56,420
actually let current assets go too long.

1652
02:50:57,580 --> 02:51:06,460
untended and now we're faced with, can we cut further and we don't want to go back to where we were?

1653
02:51:06,840 --> 02:51:09,960
And so we've been there, and note, yeah, come on that.

1654
02:51:10,220 --> 02:51:13,780
So we are really ahead of the game and to know that action has to happen.

1655
02:51:13,800 --> 02:51:16,580
And that's exactly the path that we're on.

1656
02:51:17,240 --> 02:51:19,240
Was that raising a hand or pointing it?

1657
02:51:19,520 --> 02:51:19,680
No.

1658
02:51:19,980 --> 02:51:21,600
You pointed it.

1659
02:51:22,180 --> 02:51:25,720
But I do have to leave a little early before lunch because I've got the commitment.

1660
02:51:27,180 --> 02:51:36,200
from a process technical perspective, should these additional fees or assessments be a direction that this board goes?

1661
02:51:36,640 --> 02:51:46,100
Will those show up on residents' property tax bills, like their garbage currently does, or how would we collect them?

1662
02:51:46,480 --> 02:51:47,540
There's multiple ways.

1663
02:51:47,720 --> 02:51:50,580
Some of them are required to do that, and some of them are not.

1664
02:51:50,580 --> 02:51:55,760
So, it just depends on which one, which scenario we would move forward with.

1665
02:51:56,280 --> 02:52:02,060
So, another opportunity for education, because I think sometimes, because we stack

1666
02:52:03,020 --> 02:52:09,080
different things, MSBUs, on the property tax bill, people look at, you know, my gosh,

1667
02:52:09,180 --> 02:52:13,420
my taxes went up, and it wasn't their ad volume taxes, it was the services that they're

1668
02:52:13,420 --> 02:52:16,780
paying for, but they're paying for it on their tax bill.

1669
02:52:16,780 --> 02:52:20,460
So I just wanted, I'm thinking ahead to the phone calls that are coming.

1670
02:52:21,100 --> 02:52:21,160
Okay.

1671
02:52:21,800 --> 02:52:27,260
I think one of the challenges that we had when we were looking at the military is that

1672
02:52:27,260 --> 02:52:31,840
there's no apples to apples comparison out there is that others move things in and

1673
02:52:31,840 --> 02:52:33,620
out of those buckets very readily.

1674
02:52:34,120 --> 02:52:38,440
I would offer to you if you look in some of our neighboring communities, they're very

1675
02:52:38,440 --> 02:52:39,180
adept at this.

1676
02:52:39,520 --> 02:52:44,120
So there's probably lessons to be learned on all the other line items that are applicable.

1677
02:52:44,120 --> 02:52:48,720
With that, can we close this portion of the discussion and move on to the next?

1678
02:52:49,400 --> 02:52:50,220
Yes ma'am.

1679
02:52:50,380 --> 02:52:51,740
Yes ma'am, let's do it.

1680
02:52:52,000 --> 02:52:55,140
All right, Alison, we're pretty worn out, so bring us home.

1681
02:52:59,210 --> 02:53:04,210
A final department presentation is for community services led by Director Alison Thal.

1682
02:53:05,470 --> 02:53:06,490
Thank you, Tim.

1683
02:53:07,030 --> 02:53:07,770
Thank you.

1684
02:53:08,170 --> 02:53:11,150
The property tax funded budget for community services is $7 million.

1685
02:53:11,830 --> 02:53:16,970
This includes 54 full-time positions, a 20% proportionate share reduction.

1686
02:53:16,970 --> 02:53:18,670
would equate to $1.4 million.

1687
02:53:20,370 --> 02:53:21,510
Thank you, commissioners.

1688
02:53:21,610 --> 02:53:22,210
Oh, no, sorry.

1689
02:53:22,370 --> 02:53:23,010
One more slide.

1690
02:53:23,170 --> 02:53:23,310
Sorry.

1691
02:53:23,470 --> 02:53:29,230
The $7 million budget makes up approximately 1% of our property tax revenues.

1692
02:53:29,790 --> 02:53:31,470
It's the little tiny blue one.

1693
02:53:32,510 --> 02:53:34,070
It's the little tiny blue one.

1694
02:53:34,090 --> 02:53:35,510
And Allison, pull that mic up, will you?

1695
02:53:35,610 --> 02:53:36,090
We'll do.

1696
02:53:36,970 --> 02:53:37,770
Sorry, Tim.

1697
02:53:38,230 --> 02:53:40,430
I'm just excited to get this over with for everybody.

1698
02:53:41,910 --> 02:53:46,950
I feel like I'm the icing on the cake of a very three-tiered

1699
02:53:46,950 --> 02:53:50,310
depression cake, but I'll be brief.

1700
02:53:50,910 --> 02:53:53,530
So thank you, Commissioner's Allison Thal.

1701
02:53:53,770 --> 02:53:56,990
I'm the director for the Department of Community Services, and

1702
02:53:56,990 --> 02:53:58,230
community services and

1703
02:53:58,230 --> 02:54:03,090
conferences as you know, a wide range of services aimed at improving the well-being of

1704
02:54:03,090 --> 02:54:05,050
individuals, families and communities.

1705
02:54:05,710 --> 02:54:10,930
Our funding specifically addresses direct services, including low income rental and

1706
02:54:10,930 --> 02:54:15,330
utility assistance, locating housing for families at risk of becoming homeless,

1707
02:54:15,330 --> 02:54:18,970
as well as funding our local nonprofit organizations

1708
02:54:19,690 --> 02:54:22,830
for services such as childcare, after school programming,

1709
02:54:23,610 --> 02:54:26,530
meals for at-risk seniors, attainable housing initiatives,

1710
02:54:26,970 --> 02:54:29,650
and the support of our county homeless shelters,

1711
02:54:30,150 --> 02:54:31,850
including the rescue outreach mission,

1712
02:54:32,330 --> 02:54:34,810
safe house, recovery house, and boys town.

1713
02:54:37,150 --> 02:54:39,050
So in anticipation of the unknown

1714
02:54:39,050 --> 02:54:41,050
and in the spirit of being proactive,

1715
02:54:41,590 --> 02:54:44,550
we too have identified a few immediate cost saving measures

1716
02:54:44,550 --> 02:54:47,550
that could be implemented in fiscal year 2027.

1717
02:54:48,210 --> 02:54:52,230
These include freezing four of our currently vacant positions.

1718
02:54:53,390 --> 02:54:59,510
Suspending our attainable housing trust fund awards and deferring our homeless support spending.

1719
02:55:00,000 --> 02:55:29,980
Which are funds that we earmark specifically for emergency hoteling of families and deposit assistance for families who were actively working with. Now, for the purpose of this presentation, I'm going to share the very personal impact of the anticipated reduced funding in total over the two upcoming fiscal years, meaning fiscal year 2028 and 2029. As you're already aware, our community assistance division does provide the direct

1720
02:55:29,980 --> 02:55:35,380
service by way of individual assistance programs for past due rent and utility assistance,

1721
02:55:35,720 --> 02:55:40,880
as well as our homeless individual grant. Our individual assistance programs currently funded

1722
02:55:40,880 --> 02:55:47,780
at just over $578,000 a year. These funds are used exclusively to provide past due rent and

1723
02:55:47,780 --> 02:55:54,800
utility assistance to low-income individuals and families. We currently serve roughly 227 households

1724
02:55:54,800 --> 02:55:59,700
or about 491 individuals each year with these funds.

1725
02:56:00,600 --> 02:56:04,660
By fiscal year 2029, with reduced funding,

1726
02:56:05,040 --> 02:56:08,680
more than 83 of these households will now face homelessness.

1727
02:56:09,760 --> 02:56:12,660
Our homeless individual grant programs currently funded

1728
02:56:12,660 --> 02:56:16,260
at a little over $193,000 a year.

1729
02:56:16,700 --> 02:56:21,400
We currently actually locate and assist over 300 homeless

1730
02:56:21,400 --> 02:56:24,180
or borderline homeless families and individuals

1731
02:56:24,180 --> 02:56:27,940
with finding and or keeping safe and secure housing.

1732
02:56:28,580 --> 02:56:30,400
Without our current funding level,

1733
02:56:30,640 --> 02:56:33,720
over 100 individuals, including children,

1734
02:56:34,200 --> 02:56:36,420
will either become or remain homeless.

1735
02:56:37,800 --> 02:56:39,460
Additionally, community services

1736
02:56:39,460 --> 02:56:42,340
administers the annual community services assistance

1737
02:56:42,340 --> 02:56:44,060
or CSA grants.

1738
02:56:44,980 --> 02:56:47,560
We're typically awarded 842,000 a year

1739
02:56:47,560 --> 02:56:49,460
to place back into the community

1740
02:56:49,460 --> 02:56:50,860
to serve our residents.

1741
02:56:52,060 --> 02:56:54,020
As you can see from the list on the screen,

1742
02:56:54,300 --> 02:56:57,120
we assist a full cross representation of the residents

1743
02:56:57,120 --> 02:56:58,980
of our county with our grant funds.

1744
02:56:59,340 --> 02:57:01,540
From senior citizens, to our working families,

1745
02:57:01,840 --> 02:57:04,720
to teens, right down to our most vulnerable children.

1746
02:57:05,520 --> 02:57:07,260
The homeless shelters you see listed,

1747
02:57:07,540 --> 02:57:11,100
each specialized in sheltering unique demographic populations.

1748
02:57:12,280 --> 02:57:16,040
So the impact of the reduced or eliminated CSA funding

1749
02:57:16,040 --> 02:57:23,360
will ultimately directly affect an estimated 750 individuals, children, and family collectively.

1750
02:57:24,040 --> 02:57:28,600
Those hit hardest are going to be the homebound seniors who will no longer receive meals.

1751
02:57:29,540 --> 02:57:33,980
Families who will not be able to search secure food for their families or children.

1752
02:57:34,680 --> 02:57:39,100
Children losing after school programs, child victims of sexual assault,

1753
02:57:39,600 --> 02:57:44,120
and parents who have lost their employment because they can no longer obtain affordable childcare.

1754
02:57:44,120 --> 02:57:51,380
care. The four shelters alone will potentially need to turn away almost 500 individuals including

1755
02:57:51,380 --> 02:57:58,560
120 children and return them to the streets. So similar to the community assistance division,

1756
02:57:58,760 --> 02:58:03,580
the department's community health division specializes in the delivery of support services

1757
02:58:03,580 --> 02:58:11,080
largely to our senior citizens and are seriously mentally ill residents. Almost 800 individuals

1758
02:58:11,080 --> 02:58:22,400
will lose direct engagement with staff for assistance addressing needs such as access to medical care, prescription assistance, housing, fall prevention, food insecurity, transportation,

1759
02:58:22,860 --> 02:58:32,000
a significant number of our seniors will remain socially isolated, and just about all of our community outreach events for seniors will likely be eliminated.

1760
02:58:32,000 --> 02:58:43,960
And over 500 seriously and persistently mentally ill individuals are going to lose access to transportation to medical appointments and crisis medical services.

1761
02:58:44,920 --> 02:58:59,160
Furthermore, the funding that we will now no longer be able to provide to the health department will result in over 2,500 individual services including dental health and diabetes education essentially potentially being eliminated.

1762
02:58:59,160 --> 02:59:05,540
critical medical services, like infectious disease testing, physical exams, immunizations,

1763
02:59:05,920 --> 02:59:10,540
about 1200 direct contact services again are going to be jeopardized.

1764
02:59:11,640 --> 02:59:17,280
So as for attainable housing, the last of our substantially supported general fund programs.

1765
02:59:19,870 --> 02:59:26,510
We would really have no choice but to recommend eliminating any funding assistance to our development partners

1766
02:59:26,510 --> 02:59:31,390
for infrastructure and construction costs on any future attainable housing project.

1767
02:59:31,930 --> 02:59:44,250
Although this may not stop the development of affordable housing, it will likely contribute to the reduction of the current rate of construction, simply compounding the ongoing lack of affordable housing and seminal county.

1768
02:59:45,170 --> 02:59:46,990
This concludes my presentation.

1769
02:59:47,630 --> 02:59:51,570
Madam Chair, why didn't she just say worst case scenario?

1770
02:59:51,570 --> 02:59:53,710
Yeah, cuz I'm the icing

1771
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:04,080
Any other comments? I'll turn it back to you, County Meals.

1772
03:00:06,340 --> 03:00:13,620
Minor technicality. So I, in your comments, you mentioned the four shelters, but on the slide,

1773
03:00:13,920 --> 03:00:19,220
they aren't reflected as shelters. They say that they, they provide services. And I've had this

1774
03:00:19,220 --> 03:00:25,080
conversation with a couple of folks in the community, I, um, recipe outreach mission does a phenomenal job,

1775
03:00:25,080 --> 03:00:35,140
And they are only emergency shelter, but there are probably 100 or more folks housed at those other three, probably 150 or more housed.

1776
03:00:35,440 --> 03:00:40,020
I mean, they provide food and shelter and support services also.

1777
03:00:40,280 --> 03:00:50,200
So I just want to continue to have that conversation and make sure it's reflected in the slides, is that it's our shelter.

1778
03:00:51,220 --> 03:00:54,080
Thank you, Alison, for being the icing.

1779
03:00:55,860 --> 03:00:59,820
Thank you Chairman and the board and all of our team.

1780
03:01:00,100 --> 03:01:02,280
I know this is a difficult exercise we all went through.

1781
03:01:02,440 --> 03:01:04,520
But again, we want to talk about reality.

1782
03:01:05,380 --> 03:01:11,460
And this is just not like I think you had mentioned Chairman before about this is not we're not saying the sky is falling.

1783
03:01:12,040 --> 03:01:14,240
However, we want to be very proactive and prepare.

1784
03:01:15,360 --> 03:01:19,120
And as you all have directed to me, we get our residents and

1785
03:01:19,120 --> 03:01:25,020
business owners involved and be a very transparent and just say that, you know, reality is what it is.

1786
03:01:25,380 --> 03:01:31,000
And so with that, that's all of the departments we were going to have you present to you today.

1787
03:01:31,440 --> 03:01:37,300
On the September 15th, which is our next board meeting, we will kick it off with public safety.

1788
03:01:37,300 --> 03:01:43,040
We have invited the sheriff as well as chief Kenley, the fire department, Mr. Alan Harris with emergency management.

1789
03:01:43,580 --> 03:01:49,640
which really is the bulk of our property tax dollars and where they are allocated to.

1790
03:01:50,580 --> 03:01:58,000
So I appreciate the time that you all had with us this morning and again we'll get to wherever we need to get to.

1791
03:01:58,860 --> 03:02:06,660
So I would just close the morning session by saying to all of you that did all of this hard work including all of the people that are sitting at their desks watching this.

1792
03:02:07,600 --> 03:02:12,580
We will make really good decisions on your behalf, not to worry, and that is why we're being

1793
03:02:12,580 --> 03:02:17,460
as proactive as we're being so that we're not crushed with last-minute decisions that could

1794
03:02:17,460 --> 03:02:23,400
potentially happen. We'll take a very effective path to this, including all of the involvement

1795
03:02:23,400 --> 03:02:28,180
of the teams. I applaud every member here that's brought their team into the meetings to have

1796
03:02:28,180 --> 03:02:32,680
those discussions. And regardless of whether this passes or not, we need to keep having those

1797
03:02:32,680 --> 03:02:37,160
discussions as we have in the past, anything we can do to become more efficient and effective

1798
03:02:37,680 --> 03:02:42,700
will benefit our citizens in the long run, and we've always done that, and we'll just

1799
03:02:42,700 --> 03:02:49,660
keep doing that. So, thank you to all of you, and I'll see you all at 130. Meeting adjourned.

1800
03:02:50,040 --> 03:02:50,220
We

1801
03:03:41,580 --> 03:03:51,600
have hit 130. And we're all raiding Commissioner Zimbabwe as candy jar while he's not here.

1802
03:03:51,600 --> 03:03:59,280
Just to show you how adult we are you just didn't get caught on the camera, but Lee Constantine is caught red handed down there

1803
03:04:00,360 --> 03:04:04,640
Got a new thing. I am calling the meeting to order sir. Good

1804
03:04:06,260 --> 03:04:07,360
God help us

1805
03:04:08,460 --> 03:04:13,360
All right, so I will first look for proof of publication

1806
03:04:13,360 --> 03:04:20,220
Move to proof second. All right. We have a motion in the second. All those in favor. Hi the post hearing none it passes unanimously

1807
03:04:21,600 --> 03:04:24,300
Public hearing legislative, our first hearing today.

1808
03:04:24,860 --> 03:04:29,560
And I appreciate our team helping the port authority come in the afternoon.

1809
03:04:29,560 --> 03:04:34,360
So the first on the session is the Seminole County Port Authority budget presentation.

1810
03:04:35,020 --> 03:04:37,780
And we have with us Andrew Van Gale to present.

1811
03:04:39,580 --> 03:04:41,020
Andrew, welcome to the podium.

1812
03:04:42,320 --> 03:04:44,640
Thank you, thank you, commissioners, staff.

1813
03:04:45,400 --> 03:04:49,220
I'm here today with our chairman, Matthew Krizwell, very dedicated, long term,

1814
03:04:49,220 --> 03:04:53,420
Chairman and board members so I couldn't be more pleased to have him in the long.

1815
03:04:54,080 --> 03:05:00,960
Today we're going to talk about our fiscal year 2627 budget and you know we know you guys have enough bill battle coming soon.

1816
03:05:00,000 --> 03:05:28,300
And we're keenly aware that, you know, the landscape is going to be very important for the port authority and agencies like ours to, you know, look to the future and step up and be part of, you know, solutions to what's happening out here. So we're cognizant of that and knowing that we're almost round in the corner on a lot of our major projects and onto the maintenance scheme to where, you know, we predict a good study, healthy revenue stream, help with those penny legislative changes.

1817
03:05:28,300 --> 03:05:42,200
So at that time, Andrew Van Gale, we're here to present a budget for 2627, and the board authority approved this in June, so we're here today to recommend approval and inclusion into the budget as an enterprise fund.

1818
03:05:42,920 --> 03:05:45,320
So for a few numbers, I'll make a brief today.

1819
03:05:45,840 --> 03:05:47,200
We've done a few things this year.

1820
03:05:47,200 --> 03:05:53,600
We conducted a facility condition assessment with the drab and all kind of assess all our facilities and

1821
03:05:53,600 --> 03:05:57,160
Kind of assess our capital needs and maintenance needs for the future

1822
03:05:57,160 --> 03:06:04,600
And we're really pleased to say that the outcome was was really exceptional very good to almost excellent of a lot of our facilities

1823
03:06:05,120 --> 03:06:11,980
Meaning we can kind of start budgeting to maintaining and keeping up the high level of service and and

1824
03:06:11,980 --> 03:06:19,440
And, you know, our condition of our facilities we have for the future to be competitive in the industrial market because it is very competitive out there.

1825
03:06:20,440 --> 03:06:24,820
Third year of our rental rate increase, out of a five year plan, we're almost there.

1826
03:06:25,100 --> 03:06:27,120
We've substantially increased our rental rates.

1827
03:06:27,820 --> 03:06:32,000
And our numbers show that within the next couple years, from the time we started this,

1828
03:06:32,460 --> 03:06:34,860
we should be additional $1 million a year in the revenue.

1829
03:06:35,140 --> 03:06:36,600
So, we're really almost there.

1830
03:06:36,740 --> 03:06:38,160
We're probably 70% there.

1831
03:06:38,160 --> 03:06:44,680
so doing good on that our redevelopment site we've completed two major construction projects

1832
03:06:44,680 --> 03:06:49,700
these new buildings they're fully leased occupied and the third one now is in permitting here

1833
03:06:49,700 --> 03:06:57,840
and almost ready to go so that will be really a nice addition to the port should be about $350,000

1834
03:06:57,840 --> 03:07:05,940
a year extra on that so onto that our occupancy is still strong just about 90% all year long so we're

1835
03:07:05,940 --> 03:07:11,120
And so what this budget does today, you've all got a chance to look at it.

1836
03:07:11,320 --> 03:07:15,560
The total budget is $6,835,529.

1837
03:07:16,680 --> 03:07:21,140
Abarition of revenue is increasing to $3,9213.

1838
03:07:21,640 --> 03:07:26,160
Our expenditures have gone down to $4,268,030.

1839
03:07:26,960 --> 03:07:31,060
And part of that expenditure, we have about a $2.7 million capital budget.

1840
03:07:31,060 --> 03:07:36,380
And that's incomplete one last building and some other paving and infrastructure needs.

1841
03:07:37,760 --> 03:07:45,780
And that surplus from contribution, we stayed steady this year, October will bring you $250,000.

1842
03:07:46,120 --> 03:07:52,640
This budget contemplates another $250,000 with assessment at the end of the year to see what's left for

1843
03:07:53,280 --> 03:07:56,080
additional on how we finish off this next year.

1844
03:07:57,100 --> 03:08:02,680
And keeping in mind that it's going to be important to start up in that contribution.

1845
03:08:02,680 --> 03:08:10,560
We understand that just for a local perspective, from 2001 to 27, about $13 million in the contributions.

1846
03:08:10,560 --> 03:08:13,080
That's 500 grand a year, we average it out.

1847
03:08:13,240 --> 03:08:19,600
So I think we hopefully can see that number continuing to grow and stay about the static there.

1848
03:08:20,560 --> 03:08:24,840
And with that, we're here to ask for adoption of our budget and for any questions you may have.

1849
03:08:28,820 --> 03:08:29,840
I have no questions.

1850
03:08:30,640 --> 03:08:32,840
Madam Chair, I believe you sit on that committee.

1851
03:08:33,060 --> 03:08:36,200
I'd like to get a briefing from you publicly if you wouldn't mind.

1852
03:08:36,400 --> 03:08:39,820
I wouldn't mind I was going to do that at the end if no one else has any other comments.

1853
03:08:40,200 --> 03:08:43,940
I would tell you that the work that's been done over the past five or six years has been

1854
03:08:43,940 --> 03:08:48,760
significant in terms of doing the appraisal of all the facilities out there and making

1855
03:08:48,760 --> 03:08:53,100
sure that we were getting the best return on the asset for our citizens.

1856
03:08:53,100 --> 03:08:58,940
that is not an easy task when you've had long-time renters that have become a custom

1857
03:08:58,940 --> 03:09:00,420
to very small rate increases.

1858
03:09:00,740 --> 03:09:05,860
And so Andrew Weisley brought in a step plan and the board did approve it.

1859
03:09:06,420 --> 03:09:12,860
And we did, our occupancy rate was 100 percent for a while, and we're now at 90 percent,

1860
03:09:13,080 --> 03:09:18,680
but the step plan has continued to raise revenue despite the loss in occupancy rate.

1861
03:09:18,680 --> 03:09:24,500
I personally think 100% occupancy rate is an indication of an issue and we've addressed the issue.

1862
03:09:25,160 --> 03:09:29,740
The two buildings are up and rented and we've been telling you for a long time.

1863
03:09:29,900 --> 03:09:34,420
They're coming, they're coming, they're coming, they're now here and the third one is in the works.

1864
03:09:35,380 --> 03:09:45,560
I would also tell you that we have done, and you didn't bring this up and I commend you for that, but I'm going to, we have done an amazing amount of work at the marina.

1865
03:09:45,560 --> 03:09:51,400
And so the things that were happening out there that were not acceptable have been resolved.

1866
03:09:51,400 --> 03:09:58,520
We have a new owner that took a level of patients and persistence led by our chairman that

1867
03:09:58,520 --> 03:09:59,860
that was pretty significant.

1868
03:10:00,560 --> 03:10:28,120
And it took a heck of a lot of legal fees, heck of a lot of legal fees. So if you're looking at any line items, that's one you should be asking about. But we've come through the other end of that with a really good outcome. I will say that we are the attorney that we have representing us has done an amazing job with that. I think we'd all say that with the right mix of legal advice and every now and then a little bit of business advice that got us in the right direction.

1869
03:10:28,740 --> 03:10:38,620
So we, I think, are in the best place that we've been in years with a long-term view of how do you get this thing to be as performing of an asset as it can possibly be into the long-term.

1870
03:10:39,420 --> 03:10:48,960
And that was the idea behind the Withers-Ravenall maintenance schedule. They did a complete analysis because, quite frankly, it was all done before with when somebody moved out.

1871
03:10:49,220 --> 03:10:55,500
We knew we had a problem. Or Andrew assessing the place. Andrew and Jennifer figuring it out as they went along.

1872
03:10:55,500 --> 03:11:17,320
We need a succession plan that where we can see what's out there, there's a lot of assets out there, there's a lot of impact out there with the changing of orange boulevard, which I promise is going to happen sometime, some way, some day, probably maybe before I'm gone, that assets pretty significant.

1873
03:11:17,560 --> 03:11:18,860
So now's the time to get it set.

1874
03:11:20,780 --> 03:11:22,280
How's that, Commissioner DeLauri?

1875
03:11:22,420 --> 03:11:24,840
A perfect, do you recommend we adopt the budget?

1876
03:11:25,040 --> 03:11:26,520
I do recommend you adopt the budget.

1877
03:11:26,720 --> 03:11:31,320
No, Chairman, I'd like to make a motion to approve the fiscal year 2026-27.

1878
03:11:31,800 --> 03:11:34,820
Port Authority budget as presented today, with your comments.

1879
03:11:35,100 --> 03:11:35,280
Second.

1880
03:11:35,980 --> 03:11:37,980
We have a person and second any further discussion.

1881
03:11:38,500 --> 03:11:45,740
I would only say that I think that in the last couple years, it in fact has turned a corner to a very professional operation.

1882
03:11:45,740 --> 03:12:10,780
and having the one major tenant turnover, I think is not only a huge asset for the taxpayers, but also with the known issues we had with climate, the restaurant area over there will now be put to rest and I think the sheriff's office for assisting with that as well, so good work all the way around.

1883
03:12:11,200 --> 03:12:11,560
Thank you.

1884
03:12:12,580 --> 03:12:15,920
There were a few tow truck drivers in that as well.

1885
03:12:16,780 --> 03:12:17,980
So very important.

1886
03:12:18,900 --> 03:12:19,160
All right.

1887
03:12:19,420 --> 03:12:19,820
Did we vote?

1888
03:12:20,200 --> 03:12:20,580
No, we didn't.

1889
03:12:20,700 --> 03:12:22,040
For you, call for the vote.

1890
03:12:22,140 --> 03:12:23,460
Can I just say one thing?

1891
03:12:23,580 --> 03:12:23,940
Absolutely.

1892
03:12:24,180 --> 03:12:27,620
I think we're just going to determine of some kind of port authority, 13 years.

1893
03:12:28,160 --> 03:12:29,280
I've seen a lot change out there.

1894
03:12:29,620 --> 03:12:31,760
It was a contractor out there before that.

1895
03:12:33,100 --> 03:12:36,580
I just want to say thank you to Andrew for leading the charge there.

1896
03:12:36,900 --> 03:12:40,520
We've had some hiccups out there with the restaurant

1897
03:12:40,520 --> 03:12:50,480
and the marina but we've got new owners in that have brought just this massive influx of not only capital but just a new found resilience in it.

1898
03:12:50,560 --> 03:12:52,240
They're ready to hit the road running.

1899
03:12:53,120 --> 03:12:55,680
The new buildings that are going up are going to be a facelift for it.

1900
03:12:55,760 --> 03:12:59,080
We've got new roadways, new water, stormwater drainage out there.

1901
03:12:59,280 --> 03:13:03,340
The place in the last decade has turned around 180 degrees.

1902
03:13:03,460 --> 03:13:04,320
It looks fantastic.

1903
03:13:05,020 --> 03:13:10,340
I also want to say thank you to the chairwoman for sitting on our board.

1904
03:13:10,340 --> 03:13:13,940
She brings the wealth of knowledge, not only business-wise, but also county and

1905
03:13:13,940 --> 03:13:14,580
politic-wise.

1906
03:13:14,920 --> 03:13:20,160
So we appreciate that, and I think we've got another decade or two that are just going to leave the charge out there.

1907
03:13:20,320 --> 03:13:21,620
So stick with us, we appreciate it.

1908
03:13:22,240 --> 03:13:22,540
Thank you.

1909
03:13:22,800 --> 03:13:23,100
Thank you.

1910
03:13:23,280 --> 03:13:24,720
So I can't even keep the straight face.

1911
03:13:24,960 --> 03:13:28,400
We all know I don't have much insight into politics.

1912
03:13:29,420 --> 03:13:32,980
So, but thank you for that compliment, and I will thank the chair.

1913
03:13:33,400 --> 03:13:38,360
you've done a great job. We have a really good strong board with a little bit more

1914
03:13:38,800 --> 03:13:42,540
diversification now with some of the new appointees so we're in a good spot. So

1915
03:13:42,540 --> 03:13:47,200
with that no further discussion all those in favor? Opposed? Hearing none at

1916
03:13:47,200 --> 03:13:49,820
passage unanimously. Thank you both for all your work.

1917
03:13:51,580 --> 03:13:56,440
Collis only if you need us. When I started you were the only one on this floor

1918
03:14:12,260 --> 03:14:26,040
All right. I think we have an opportunity for public comment, but there is none. There was none. Okay. Just want to get that on the record. All right. County managers. Report and staff presentations. Yes. Thank you Madam Chair. We committed to this.

1919
03:14:26,040 --> 03:14:32,560
board about a year ago to follow up once our code enforcement team had been put in place

1920
03:14:32,560 --> 03:14:38,860
in October 1st, 2025 to give you an update. So it's my pleasure to share with you this update.

1921
03:14:39,000 --> 03:14:43,040
Mr. Brodes is going to kick it off and then our division manager, John Martin, will step in.

1922
03:14:43,360 --> 03:14:47,960
Thank you, Mike. All right. Thank you, Chairman and commissioners. Again, Mike Brodes,

1923
03:14:48,180 --> 03:14:53,380
a development service director. I appreciate the opportunity to talk with you today about

1924
03:14:54,100 --> 03:14:59,720
where we've been, and where we're going with code enforcement, as Trisha said.

1925
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:29,660
There's almost a year and a half ago that this board decided to bring code enforcement back underneath the Board of County Commissioners and make some fundamental changes to how we do our work. So today I want to provide you with this update on kind of, you know, our implementation process, what we've been able to accomplish over the last year, and then opportunities for continuing improvement. Again, as we know, that's what you are looking for. Go over our background here, current status and some case highlights.

1926
03:15:29,660 --> 03:15:35,480
rights, your two goals and opportunities, particularly some in light of possibilities

1927
03:15:35,480 --> 03:15:39,500
for Amendment 3, although we won't go too deep into that, and then recommendations in

1928
03:15:39,500 --> 03:15:42,960
next steps as we move into our second year.

1929
03:15:44,760 --> 03:15:48,540
First just to kind of take you back, we'll trip through time.

1930
03:15:49,440 --> 03:15:52,600
We did a lot of work modernizing your code.

1931
03:15:53,380 --> 03:15:59,240
We went through chapter 53, chapter 95, adopted a new international property maintenance code.

1932
03:15:59,540 --> 03:16:03,780
We amended chapter 120, we amended chapter 168.

1933
03:16:05,160 --> 03:16:11,140
And we got all of those code amendments done with terrific support and help from Kate and

1934
03:16:11,140 --> 03:16:15,800
the county attorney's office, in particular Jen Nix, so thank you, Jen.

1935
03:16:16,620 --> 03:16:22,000
There's a lot of work involved, and we still have more to do, but I just want to tell you they've

1936
03:16:22,000 --> 03:16:25,280
and terrific partners in making a lot of these changes

1937
03:16:25,280 --> 03:16:28,200
and making this process work for us even better.

1938
03:16:29,860 --> 03:16:32,440
In addition to that, we had to kind of build the infrastructure

1939
03:16:32,440 --> 03:16:34,640
and so we got John on board

1940
03:16:34,640 --> 03:16:37,220
and John developed standard operating procedures

1941
03:16:37,220 --> 03:16:39,580
and job descriptions and he started recruitment

1942
03:16:40,160 --> 03:16:42,520
and we're gonna introduce you to those folks here in a second.

1943
03:16:42,960 --> 03:16:44,160
We also had to do a lot of case review.

1944
03:16:44,380 --> 03:16:46,680
Look at the old cases that were coming back

1945
03:16:46,680 --> 03:16:48,900
from the Sheriff's Office and coming from the building

1946
03:16:48,900 --> 03:16:53,740
department to see what we're going to, what we're inheriting in that regard.

1947
03:16:55,120 --> 03:16:59,620
And then, and we still have this ahead of us, we've got some work to do with case migration

1948
03:17:00,360 --> 03:17:04,640
into our new platform coming online with Xcela in October.

1949
03:17:05,420 --> 03:17:12,460
So we have, we've got the infrastructure built, John went ahead and got the folks hired and

1950
03:17:12,460 --> 03:17:17,260
We commenced operations on October 1st with officers out into the field.

1951
03:17:19,340 --> 03:17:23,740
As you know, the team is led by John, and I want to say John's been a terrific leader

1952
03:17:23,740 --> 03:17:30,040
really since pretty day one, and it's not just me that says so, I could say at the same

1953
03:17:30,040 --> 03:17:32,940
time he started with us as our Division Manager of Code Enforcement.

1954
03:17:33,420 --> 03:17:37,540
He was also elected to be the president of the Florida Association of Code Enforcement,

1955
03:17:37,540 --> 03:17:41,140
So he is regarded by his peers as an expert.

1956
03:17:41,640 --> 03:17:44,260
Fortunately for us, he's finished his term as the president.

1957
03:17:45,060 --> 03:17:49,320
So he's going to have a little bit more bandwidth since that's finished up.

1958
03:17:50,280 --> 03:17:57,120
But John, together with his team here, have over 160 years of experience in code enforcement and law enforcement.

1959
03:17:57,540 --> 03:18:05,160
And that's pretty unusual for a startup organization of any kind to bring that kind of experience on board.

1960
03:18:06,420 --> 03:18:14,540
So with that I want to go ahead and turn it over to John and ask him to come on up and walk you through some of the details of what I've been able to accomplish over the last year.

1961
03:18:20,240 --> 03:18:26,760
Hi John, I want to assure each one of you that I took care of all the sobbing during the morning session.

1962
03:18:30,300 --> 03:18:34,160
I'd like to back up on the slide if we could and introduce you to your team.

1963
03:18:34,820 --> 03:18:37,140
Instead of using the photograph, we're just going to go down the line.

1964
03:18:37,280 --> 03:18:39,100
Right here on the very end is Steven Zannowick.

1965
03:18:39,820 --> 03:18:43,940
Steven came to us with 30 years of law enforcement experience from the US Marshal's office.

1966
03:18:44,820 --> 03:18:46,520
Next door to him is Ms. Katina Hill.

1967
03:18:46,680 --> 03:18:51,180
She has over 10 years in code enforcement experience in the Orange County.

1968
03:18:51,900 --> 03:18:55,560
right next to her is Christian Castineda. He's your multifamily commercial

1969
03:18:55,560 --> 03:18:58,800
inspector and Christian brings to the table 30 years of housing,

1970
03:18:58,920 --> 03:19:02,720
experience, and co-enforcement. And you have Ms. Julie Hebert, my blessing from

1971
03:19:02,720 --> 03:19:07,080
building, who was intricate part in helping us with the building case

1972
03:19:07,080 --> 03:19:12,660
migration. To her left is the amazing talented Alexis Fale, our clerk of the

1973
03:19:12,660 --> 03:19:17,020
magistrate who's done a phenomenal job helping me get acclimated to the way the

1974
03:19:17,020 --> 03:19:23,040
county does things and help me get the magistrate streamline. Right next to her is Mr. Christopher

1975
03:19:23,040 --> 03:19:29,240
Smith. He has 25 years in code enforcement and air force experience. He was a military police

1976
03:19:29,240 --> 03:19:35,980
officer and now he leads this team as my right hand. It's a moral action. The tall handsome fellow

1977
03:19:35,980 --> 03:19:41,660
there is my nuisance abatement and pool officer Jay comes to us with over 25 years of experience

1978
03:19:41,660 --> 03:19:47,220
and Miss Sean at Williams, who helps with our admin processes and some 20 years of experience.

1979
03:19:47,960 --> 03:19:52,580
Also, I need to both find out Mr. Rhodes behind me who we didn't add to this,

1980
03:19:52,720 --> 03:19:56,440
although he is an intricate part of the team with his 31 years of experience.

1981
03:19:57,340 --> 03:19:59,960
So we'll move on to the next slide and this will explain to you.

1982
03:20:00,000 --> 03:20:28,220
That's pretty exciting because when they got here and started digging around and poking for stuff, I was like, what is that? And I found a little block on the bottom of the county web page that's at 71311. So I opened it up and started playing with it. And I found out citizens could call and complaints from their phones on here. And I was like, we need to use this. So we started using it. And then I started using it for its reporting purposes to figure out, where do they need to be? And if you look at the dots on the screen, the dots represent completed inspections that have occurred since we started.

1983
03:20:28,220 --> 03:20:32,500
and you can see that there was actually a pendulum swift shift. I originally

1984
03:20:32,500 --> 03:20:36,280
thought we're going to put it into four zones and we're going to put officers in

1985
03:20:36,280 --> 03:20:39,420
each zone and have one guy hand on the vapements and now what we ended up with

1986
03:20:39,420 --> 03:20:44,000
is we have an east side inspector, a west side inspector, a lot cleaning or I

1987
03:20:44,000 --> 03:20:50,040
call her my hot spot inspector. She does just launch and junk. Cars junk

1988
03:20:50,040 --> 03:20:55,060
launched throughout the county. Then I said well I got to have a news and my news

1989
03:20:55,520 --> 03:21:00,060
I've got to have a multi-family guy which will go into why that happened here shortly in a few slides.

1990
03:21:01,180 --> 03:21:03,340
And then we needed somebody on the west side.

1991
03:21:03,920 --> 03:21:05,500
And somebody was familiar with the west side.

1992
03:21:05,620 --> 03:21:07,840
And that Shannon Hanson who's unfortunately not here with us,

1993
03:21:07,940 --> 03:21:10,360
but I think she's on her second honeymoon or something.

1994
03:21:10,580 --> 03:21:11,980
I don't know.

1995
03:21:13,000 --> 03:21:13,760
Shannon's amazing.

1996
03:21:13,900 --> 03:21:15,980
Shannon burns 20 years of experience in the team.

1997
03:21:16,140 --> 03:21:17,580
So we could go on to the next slide.

1998
03:21:18,720 --> 03:21:21,380
You'll see on the next slide here that we...

1999
03:21:21,380 --> 03:21:24,120
This is how we originally configured the zones.

2000
03:21:24,120 --> 03:21:34,900
And you'll notice that the RCEZ zones go enforcement zone does not mimic a commission district, and that was deliberate because I wanted to make sure that each zone had vast experience.

2001
03:21:35,780 --> 03:21:42,880
One officer may be very strong in housing. One officer might have been very strong in commercial. One officer may have known this better. One didn't know that as well.

2002
03:21:43,080 --> 03:21:45,500
So they were close to each other yet able to serve each other.

2003
03:21:45,500 --> 03:21:50,340
This was how we did it in the beginning and now we've changed it a little bit and it's

2004
03:21:50,340 --> 03:21:54,780
divided into east and west with these four or the three specialty officers.

2005
03:21:55,580 --> 03:21:58,980
When we go on to the next slide, I'm very excited, this is one of my happy slides.

2006
03:21:59,220 --> 03:22:01,140
I even laminated this one, I love it so much.

2007
03:22:02,020 --> 03:22:09,060
To date, your nuisance abatement officer has had 33 homeowners demolish their abandoned

2008
03:22:09,060 --> 03:22:13,440
nuisance dangerous vacant structures on their own dime.

2009
03:22:21,370 --> 03:22:31,790
It's about $11,000 per abatement, so it comes out to about $363,000 worth of costs that we didn't have to look at taxpayers for.

2010
03:22:31,990 --> 03:22:33,170
So we're very proud of that.

2011
03:22:34,570 --> 03:22:41,350
62 multifamily properties were inspected by officer Castaneda, and I helped out as much as I could, but not nearly enough, I'm sure.

2012
03:22:41,350 --> 03:22:45,430
where today he has 16 open cases on apartment communities.

2013
03:22:45,610 --> 03:22:47,330
The remainder of those are in compliance.

2014
03:22:49,370 --> 03:22:53,650
133 junk cars were removed by owners at their dime.

2015
03:22:53,810 --> 03:22:54,150
Not ours.

2016
03:22:55,450 --> 03:23:00,710
178 lawns were either cleaned up and or mowed by property owners.

2017
03:23:01,010 --> 03:23:03,790
And not a cent of taxpayer money was spent to do that.

2018
03:23:04,850 --> 03:23:09,110
So total of 884, I think it's closer to 950 as of today.

2019
03:23:09,110 --> 03:23:12,250
Snipe signs have been removed and I know what you're going to say there's

2020
03:23:12,250 --> 03:23:16,850
950 more out there waiting and there are and I have a philosophy on how I'm

2021
03:23:16,850 --> 03:23:20,190
going to handle that with my citation program. So we're going to the next step

2022
03:23:20,190 --> 03:23:27,150
soon. As of two nights ago we've now made 13 community meetings. We have had our

2023
03:23:27,150 --> 03:23:31,310
lot cleaning contractor three clean three lots and we have been paid back by

2024
03:23:31,310 --> 03:23:34,490
citizen for one. We just put another lady on a payment plan for the second.

2025
03:23:38,070 --> 03:23:38,550
In

2026
03:23:38,550 --> 03:23:44,770
funds and other revenues thus far. So that slide is something that we're very proud of for the

2027
03:23:44,770 --> 03:23:49,490
time frame that we started to where we are today. This is a very kicking off point. If we could

2028
03:23:49,490 --> 03:23:54,150
go to the next slide. The next slide is very important because it shows responsiveness to community

2029
03:23:54,150 --> 03:23:59,330
concerns. And if you look at the very dark green big piece, that represents the amount of complaints

2030
03:23:59,330 --> 03:24:07,530
that came in from citizens either through the app, through the emails or through direct phone line

2031
03:24:07,530 --> 03:24:14,230
to either Julie or the 3-1-1-0-0-0-0 number, those are where those complaints are derived

2032
03:24:14,230 --> 03:24:14,530
from.

2033
03:24:15,130 --> 03:24:19,850
On the other side, Depeo Green represents officer initiated cases, and please understand

2034
03:24:19,850 --> 03:24:23,330
officer initiated cases aren't these guys driving around going to need to cite something

2035
03:24:23,330 --> 03:24:24,330
and need to cite something.

2036
03:24:24,870 --> 03:24:29,730
If you call in a complaint and you say at Mike's house he's got high grass and weeds and on

2037
03:24:29,730 --> 03:24:33,190
the weight of Mike's house there's three lawns that are as high as Mike's.

2038
03:24:33,990 --> 03:24:36,810
They're required to address those three lawns.

2039
03:24:36,810 --> 03:24:40,610
we're not going to target Mike because Mike was the only person that got

2040
03:24:40,610 --> 03:24:43,070
complained. We have to be equitable in our enforcement

2041
03:24:43,670 --> 03:24:47,830
and that's what the team does. We don't unless we are invited and on several of

2042
03:24:47,830 --> 03:24:49,650
those we were invited by communities the

2043
03:24:49,650 --> 03:24:51,310
police come sweep our community is bad

2044
03:24:51,990 --> 03:24:55,890
and we've done that but the majority of the time when you see self-initiated

2045
03:24:55,890 --> 03:24:58,830
think this is an equitable response to a citizen complaint.

2046
03:24:59,390 --> 03:24:59,930
We're not heading

2047
03:25:00,000 --> 03:25:26,860
Members, we're not out there looking for people to pick on. I definitely want to put that thought process to rest. This slide is one that's also laminated. It's on the back pages of the first line laminated. But this proves you're right. And why do I say that? Because if you look at this slide, we, 1626 cases were originated. 967 of those came into compliance prior to the need to send a notice of hearing.

2048
03:25:28,870 --> 03:25:34,610
The next number is 659 were notices of hearing sent to people who were like, I don't think

2049
03:25:34,610 --> 03:25:35,210
you're serious.

2050
03:25:36,150 --> 03:25:39,410
It's almost show you how serious we are, it comes your certified mail, right?

2051
03:25:40,790 --> 03:25:47,970
Oh, that's 659, 655 cases had to be presented to a magistrate, that means only 4% of the cases

2052
03:25:47,970 --> 03:25:52,730
required that were cited actually had to be presented to a magistrate.

2053
03:25:52,730 --> 03:26:00,390
What that means in dollars and sense is is that we were able to through what you asked for,

2054
03:26:00,710 --> 03:26:06,590
communication and follow-up, deliver voluntary compliance. And that's what you said was lacking.

2055
03:26:06,830 --> 03:26:12,770
I remember those words the first time I met you. We believe that with the proper communication

2056
03:26:12,770 --> 03:26:18,270
and follow-up, our citizens will do the right thing if they're educated and communicative.

2057
03:26:18,950 --> 03:26:21,530
You were right. Give yourselves a round of applause.

2058
03:26:24,010 --> 03:26:30,270
The next slide is a fun slide, says case highlights doesn't really have a lot on it, but then we're going to flip to this one.

2059
03:26:31,070 --> 03:26:41,030
You may remember this case, a young lady who was pregnant, went to look at an apartment, and as she went up the staircase, she actually got to write it to the ground.

2060
03:26:43,030 --> 03:27:10,950
Christian and Chris and myself responded to this as a request to the fire department when we got out there we immediately taped this off and we went in different directions and we went in different directions we saw very similar conditions we then embarked on a complete building by building an inspection with resulted in us requiring that complex to replace 88 staircases because there wasn't one on the property it was safe of those next slide please of those 88

2061
03:27:10,950 --> 03:27:17,610
There are cases today every one of them are replaced with passing final building permit inspections, and they are painted.

2062
03:27:18,350 --> 03:27:29,490
So that property right now had a lot of fire violations that we were able to get into compliance as well as this life safety issue that we were able to put into compliance, ensuring that we don't have another incident like that again.

2063
03:27:32,510 --> 03:27:40,590
On the next slide, this lovely, beautiful property was a scene of several calls for service in the sheriff's office, it's off of Saint John's.

2064
03:27:41,870 --> 03:27:47,410
And there was a really beautiful picture on the other side that I chose not to put in this slide show.

2065
03:27:47,690 --> 03:27:52,010
But the house was unscathed, it was, there's actually no force system inside of it whatsoever.

2066
03:27:52,470 --> 03:27:54,130
It's when you walk in, it's straight dirt.

2067
03:27:55,690 --> 03:28:00,710
The house, the property was for sale, the gentleman was trying to get it re-zoned and sold,

2068
03:28:00,910 --> 03:28:04,410
and he wasn't having a whole lot of luck, and I pretty much told him you've got two choices.

2069
03:28:04,610 --> 03:28:09,170
You demo it or I will, because I cannot have a vacant unscathed structure sitting here.

2070
03:28:09,170 --> 03:28:13,830
There were drugs and other, you know, I can't risk a citizen getting drug in there.

2071
03:28:13,950 --> 03:28:16,690
I can't risk more calls for service to our sheriff's department.

2072
03:28:16,790 --> 03:28:17,450
They have enough to do.

2073
03:28:18,010 --> 03:28:20,570
He saw the light and the next slide shows what happened.

2074
03:28:22,230 --> 03:28:24,650
As of today, that message gone.

2075
03:28:24,810 --> 03:28:27,770
He has passed his final inspection as he demoed the property under a permit.

2076
03:28:28,550 --> 03:28:30,530
And again, that was done on his dime not ours.

2077
03:28:32,540 --> 03:28:34,120
So the next slide is fun.

2078
03:28:34,120 --> 03:28:43,300
We've got a complaint, an awful lake mobile war gentleman was using a vacant parcel not owned by himself to scrap, to make ends meet.

2079
03:28:43,920 --> 03:28:47,360
And he analyzed a little setup going there.

2080
03:28:47,640 --> 03:28:53,140
He dragged out his trailer and he picked up your medals from your garbage and he burned it back in the strip of the clean, et cetera, et cetera.

2081
03:28:53,700 --> 03:28:59,820
The next slide shows you an example of working with someone to help someone get their needs met to

2082
03:28:59,820 --> 03:29:05,460
other measures and get this property cleaned out. I'd like to draw your attention to the next slide.

2083
03:29:05,640 --> 03:29:13,140
If I may, this property was as a result of a sheriff's office search warrant on U.S. on North U.S.

2084
03:29:13,540 --> 03:29:19,140
Highway 1792. There were drugs and human trafficking going on here and when we responded to the

2085
03:29:19,140 --> 03:29:24,960
property we found multiple RVs, containers, trailers, etc. with people living in them.

2086
03:29:25,820 --> 03:29:32,380
Junk cars were plenty and we cited the property for a lot of different violations.

2087
03:29:32,740 --> 03:29:36,760
We worked with the property owner very closely and in a very short period of time the next

2088
03:29:36,760 --> 03:29:40,440
lot shows the result of education followed through in communication.

2089
03:29:45,170 --> 03:29:48,770
So look ahead at year two goals and opportunities.

2090
03:29:49,370 --> 03:29:54,030
We want to strengthen the existing programs and part of that is that you currently have vacation

2091
03:29:54,030 --> 03:29:59,830
rentals and a foreclosure program that we want to look at efficiencies for and we have some ideas.

2092
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:29,740
We would like to bring back before you at a later time. The foreclosure registration program and the vacation rentals along with that will be the parking ordinance. There are a couple little pieces of the parking ordinance that if changed, we would be able to address the parking some of the parking issues that we have within unincorporated central county and the sheriff's department has already said, please do that, gone. But it's a tool in our toolbox. It's not a, it's not a revenue source by any stretch of the

2093
03:30:29,740 --> 03:30:35,160
but if I run your car, if I tag your car and you move it into the street, I need to be able to deal with that.

2094
03:30:35,920 --> 03:30:38,660
And the sheriff's office is far too busy to be bothered with that.

2095
03:30:39,000 --> 03:30:44,480
Also, by the end of this month, your team will have our credit, our state accreditation package submitted.

2096
03:30:44,680 --> 03:30:52,520
And by the end of this year, I would assume probably December 1st, week of December, we should be your very first state accredited code enforcement agency.

2097
03:30:54,700 --> 03:30:57,060
At that, I'm going to turn the rest of it over to Mr. Rhodes.

2098
03:30:57,060 --> 03:31:01,040
He's going to evaluate new processes and then talk about our last page.

2099
03:31:02,780 --> 03:31:03,960
Any questions for me?

2100
03:31:04,580 --> 03:31:06,120
If you think of any, you can bring me up.

2101
03:31:06,180 --> 03:31:06,880
I'm just sitting there.

2102
03:31:07,520 --> 03:31:07,620
Okay.

2103
03:31:08,700 --> 03:31:09,380
Thank you.

2104
03:31:09,700 --> 03:31:10,020
Thank you.

2105
03:31:13,650 --> 03:31:17,450
So, commissioners, you got a little taste of what we've been able to accomplish.

2106
03:31:17,590 --> 03:31:18,550
There's a lot more to do.

2107
03:31:19,290 --> 03:31:22,210
John talked about some of the efficiencies that we'd like to look at.

2108
03:31:22,690 --> 03:31:25,510
Improvements that we'd like to make to the registration programs.

2109
03:31:26,850 --> 03:31:33,550
We also want to talk with you and begin to talk with the county attorney's office about foreclosures and foreclosure initiatives.

2110
03:31:33,830 --> 03:31:44,570
Again, the state statute provides that after three months of running fines, the county municipality that has the fines is able to foreclose.

2111
03:31:45,030 --> 03:31:51,030
And while foreclosure is probably not, it's not the first thing that we're looking forward to try to do.

2112
03:31:51,030 --> 03:31:57,470
It's, again, as John said, a tool in the toolbox, it's really the last resort in most instances.

2113
03:31:57,590 --> 03:32:14,930
We cannot foreclose on homestead properties, but there are those cases where we need to be able to foreclose in order to recover the taxpayers' investments, your investments in this program, and in many ways to kind of get the properties turned over so that they're better performing.

2114
03:32:14,930 --> 03:32:31,870
So we want to talk with you more about that over the coming year, and that's not a, I realize that's a little bit tall amount in decline, but I think it's important to be able to do that because it's, it's, it's how you really put teeth in the program.

2115
03:32:32,250 --> 03:32:41,190
And it's, it's not something that we would do, again, app hazardly, but we want to try to find an efficient way of doing that.

2116
03:32:44,830 --> 03:32:48,750
Finally, we are going to be focusing on, again, learning lessons, and we're learning lessons

2117
03:32:48,750 --> 03:32:52,970
every single day about how to do a better job for you all.

2118
03:32:54,330 --> 03:32:57,090
And we're looking forward to feedback this afternoon.

2119
03:32:57,090 --> 03:33:02,210
If you have any for us, we do want to improve the existing registration programs.

2120
03:33:02,530 --> 03:33:05,870
They're not performing as well as they should be, could be.

2121
03:33:06,910 --> 03:33:11,090
We are not getting the kind of information that we need to be getting in order to make

2122
03:33:11,090 --> 03:33:16,030
sure that these expectations that you have for how they operate provide us with the information

2123
03:33:16,510 --> 03:33:17,190
that we need.

2124
03:33:18,930 --> 03:33:22,810
We want to look at some additional tools for chronic and repeat violations.

2125
03:33:23,490 --> 03:33:31,890
You saw an example last week of what you can do with the irreparable or irreversible kind

2126
03:33:31,890 --> 03:33:32,710
of a violation.

2127
03:33:33,610 --> 03:33:39,910
There's also the opportunity in the statute, and we included it when we did our revisions

2128
03:33:39,910 --> 03:33:47,470
to the code to also impose fines for repeat violations, and we haven't come across a case

2129
03:33:47,470 --> 03:33:50,310
like that yet, but it's coming, I think.

2130
03:33:52,430 --> 03:33:58,510
We also want to be able to just kind of take the opportunity, again, to get some feedback

2131
03:33:58,510 --> 03:34:00,990
back from you all as to what we're doing well,

2132
03:34:01,190 --> 03:34:02,890
what you'd like to see us improve on.

2133
03:34:03,550 --> 03:34:05,730
We are looking forward to moving on to the Excel

2134
03:34:05,730 --> 03:34:07,410
platform, so you're going to have something

2135
03:34:07,410 --> 03:34:09,510
that's more broadly available to you all,

2136
03:34:09,630 --> 03:34:12,810
to your staff, as well as provide you

2137
03:34:12,810 --> 03:34:15,090
with the statistical information that you're looking for,

2138
03:34:15,230 --> 03:34:16,650
the dashboards that you're looking for.

2139
03:34:17,450 --> 03:34:20,850
And we hope to have all that stuff deployed, again,

2140
03:34:21,390 --> 03:34:24,370
later in October, and we'll have meaningful data

2141
03:34:24,370 --> 03:34:27,830
that we'll be able to begin to show you just

2142
03:34:27,830 --> 03:34:31,310
on a live basis going forward here in the next year.

2143
03:34:31,730 --> 03:34:34,610
So with that out, and my part,

2144
03:34:34,810 --> 03:34:36,490
and shut up and listen.

2145
03:34:37,750 --> 03:34:39,290
Can I share any comments?

2146
03:34:41,890 --> 03:34:45,870
I just want to say thank you to all of you.

2147
03:34:48,370 --> 03:34:51,150
My district has had a lot of problems,

2148
03:34:52,090 --> 03:34:54,690
and we've heard from residents of my district

2149
03:34:55,160 --> 03:34:57,130
about how well it looks now,

2150
03:34:57,130 --> 03:34:59,970
compared to what it did the year ago. There's still work to be done in the...

2151
03:35:00,000 --> 03:35:21,820
As many of you are aware, but the citizen input has been very good in telling us that they're starting to see things much better than they were several years ago. So thank you all for all your hard work. Leadership, thank you for leading us in the right direction. Bring in those policies and procedures in place to get the software ground I'm working. So thank you very much.

2152
03:35:24,420 --> 03:35:29,980
I actually do have a question or two ahead. With regard to the

2153
03:35:29,980 --> 03:35:34,020
The incident that happened with the stairs at the apartment complex.

2154
03:35:34,260 --> 03:35:37,420
Are we doing anything to proactively check these facilities?

2155
03:35:37,700 --> 03:35:40,680
We now have more and more of them as we hear every day.

2156
03:35:42,440 --> 03:35:47,260
So, and John can speak to the specifics of it, but he did mention in his presentation

2157
03:35:47,260 --> 03:35:52,540
that he and his team looked at 62 apartment complexes across the county.

2158
03:35:52,660 --> 03:35:53,980
And there are still more to look at.

2159
03:35:54,220 --> 03:35:58,320
I can tell you these folks are taking a proactive look at those properties in particular

2160
03:35:58,320 --> 03:36:05,260
because they have not been looked at proactively and they certainly need to be, so I'll-

2161
03:36:05,260 --> 03:36:10,540
So proactively, one time doesn't count as proactively for me.

2162
03:36:10,720 --> 03:36:15,080
So we're getting ahead of our past behaviors and so now take me to proactively.

2163
03:36:18,780 --> 03:36:25,380
Absolutely, pursuant to statute multi-family structures higher than two stories are required to be inspected annually.

2164
03:36:26,680 --> 03:36:32,720
Prior to our inception, that was somebody else's responsibility and as of now, it's ours.

2165
03:36:33,880 --> 03:36:38,920
So you have the confidence of knowing that this code enforcement team will be on every

2166
03:36:38,920 --> 03:36:43,480
multifamily property annually at the minimum.

2167
03:36:43,880 --> 03:36:45,160
It's higher than two stories.

2168
03:36:46,180 --> 03:36:46,760
Yes, ma'am.

2169
03:36:46,820 --> 03:36:47,480
If it's for everyone.

2170
03:36:47,820 --> 03:36:48,000
Yes.

2171
03:36:48,080 --> 03:36:51,360
I'm good with either, but it's anything higher than two stories.

2172
03:36:52,180 --> 03:36:54,820
We're just now getting into the condos.

2173
03:36:54,820 --> 03:36:58,160
We've finished all the apartments we're working in the condos right now.

2174
03:36:59,040 --> 03:37:05,240
As you well know, that's going to take a little longer because you have so many more owners involved and so many more chefs starting the pot.

2175
03:37:06,340 --> 03:37:08,740
But they're very still very good about getting compliance.

2176
03:37:09,180 --> 03:37:17,500
So our plan is as we complete the year to start over and revisit these on it.

2177
03:37:17,600 --> 03:37:21,200
That's why I assign Christian as the multi-family commercial inspector.

2178
03:37:21,200 --> 03:37:28,220
So that's all his job is we don't want we don't want to recreate this into the past ever again.

2179
03:37:28,320 --> 03:37:29,000
So thank you.

2180
03:37:29,200 --> 03:37:29,620
Absolutely.

2181
03:37:30,200 --> 03:37:37,140
And then just perspective on foreclosures, I know you said that was a tall path to go down.

2182
03:37:37,140 --> 03:37:39,680
And I would tell you that it's not homestead property.

2183
03:37:39,920 --> 03:37:47,120
It is not a stretch for me at all because one of the things that I have in my district

2184
03:37:47,120 --> 03:37:52,420
that's fairly regular, is that these are just properties that somebody's sitting on from out of state,

2185
03:37:52,960 --> 03:37:57,280
and they ruin the rest of the neighborhood, and we struggle with that.

2186
03:37:57,400 --> 03:38:02,660
So I think it's actually helps the homeowners that are living in their homes to take care of the neighborhoods

2187
03:38:03,220 --> 03:38:08,500
if we have to go that far, and I doubt we ever will, as we've proved on your pie chart, on your funnel,

2188
03:38:08,660 --> 03:38:13,580
we probably will never have to go that far, but having the ability to go that far is important in some instances.

2189
03:38:13,580 --> 03:38:22,340
It is important to note that we do have several from the past that we want to talk to the board about in detail at a later time.

2190
03:38:23,480 --> 03:38:26,560
But I believe as the board believes we have to be good stewards.

2191
03:38:27,960 --> 03:38:33,960
Any time the county expends money, we have to look at an option to get that back and we've done well.

2192
03:38:34,300 --> 03:38:40,000
I think Alexis and Julia have done very well in sending notices to people that have leans.

2193
03:38:40,000 --> 03:38:42,980
You know, you still have a lien, come talk to us.

2194
03:38:45,120 --> 03:38:46,100
Well, we need more tools.

2195
03:38:47,700 --> 03:38:48,640
Any other comments?

2196
03:38:49,140 --> 03:38:50,880
Yes, I'm sorry, and I'm sorry about that.

2197
03:38:50,880 --> 03:38:51,300
That's all right.

2198
03:38:51,700 --> 03:38:52,520
Thank you, my chair.

2199
03:38:53,760 --> 03:38:58,420
I don't want to get into a list, but there are a number of things that should be looked

2200
03:38:58,420 --> 03:39:01,720
at an annual basis, both structural and other disciplines as well as want to make sure

2201
03:39:01,720 --> 03:39:03,360
you are theory-right.

2202
03:39:04,940 --> 03:39:08,500
Systematically going through that overall list that should be looked at from a safety standpoint.

2203
03:39:08,500 --> 03:39:13,540
I have a list and I'd love to go over yours with you so that we can make sure we're both on safe.

2204
03:39:14,200 --> 03:39:18,320
I'm not the local expert, whatever you think is appropriate, from a legal standpoint.

2205
03:39:18,560 --> 03:39:19,260
That's what's important.

2206
03:39:19,520 --> 03:39:19,760
Yes, sir.

2207
03:39:20,500 --> 03:39:21,000
Thank you.

2208
03:39:21,000 --> 03:39:23,720
Any other comments I have as under your goals and opportunities?

2209
03:39:24,160 --> 03:39:28,560
I like the idea that you're looking at vacation rentals, please involve tourism.

2210
03:39:28,960 --> 03:39:33,640
I think tourism is just as important on that one aspect because they could, the two of you,

2211
03:39:33,880 --> 03:39:35,520
the two groups should work well together.

2212
03:39:36,820 --> 03:39:41,060
And just to add to that, along the same lines, the apartment association is out there.

2213
03:39:41,180 --> 03:39:42,360
We want to engage with them.

2214
03:39:42,600 --> 03:39:47,040
They've been important partners in the past, and at least in my working.

2215
03:39:47,440 --> 03:39:50,440
So it's a great education opportunity.

2216
03:39:50,800 --> 03:39:52,800
They turn over a lot of their management staff.

2217
03:39:53,640 --> 03:39:59,960
And so the work that we do with those constituencies, I'll just say, is also important in John's

2218
03:40:08,040 --> 03:40:08,720
CHAIRMAN BERNANKE.

2219
03:40:11,580 --> 03:40:26,980
How much of the inspection requirement only became relevant with our adoption of the property maintenance code.

2220
03:40:29,420 --> 03:40:31,640
So, my question is, we're saying, we didn't do that.

2221
03:40:31,640 --> 03:40:34,280
We do all of these things that were required to be done.

2222
03:40:34,920 --> 03:40:43,280
But how many of those are only became effective with our implementation of the property maintenance code?

2223
03:40:44,000 --> 03:40:51,740
So we had a minimum housing code, but it was not being enforced by anybody.

2224
03:40:51,980 --> 03:40:54,340
And part of it was because it was 30 years old.

2225
03:40:54,700 --> 03:40:58,460
Part of it was because the staff that we did have engaged on the sheriff's side,

2226
03:40:58,460 --> 03:41:08,220
And we're really only looking at single-family residential and primarily complaint-based cases.

2227
03:41:09,100 --> 03:41:19,300
So I won't say that we adopted new obligations, I suppose, so much as we updated the code

2228
03:41:19,300 --> 03:41:23,780
standards that we had to make sure that we could look at all of the property in the county

2229
03:41:24,340 --> 03:41:30,100
rather than what we had been doing just as a matter of practice, which was kind of the siloed approaches.

2230
03:41:30,440 --> 03:41:36,760
And so a lot of what John and his team have done, again, gotten us out of the silo.

2231
03:41:37,160 --> 03:41:43,740
I'll say collectively so that we're working more proactively with the fire department,

2232
03:41:43,900 --> 03:41:44,860
with the sheriff's department.

2233
03:41:47,140 --> 03:41:52,780
But at Headstate to say it's new, it's simply we're doing it the way we should be doing it.

2234
03:41:52,780 --> 03:41:58,880
So I guess I'll probably need clarification, then, because there were multiple times

2235
03:41:58,880 --> 03:42:05,240
that there were situations in my discharge where folks would be called out to look

2236
03:42:05,240 --> 03:42:09,100
at things that were structural or property maintenance related.

2237
03:42:09,260 --> 03:42:12,880
And the response repeatedly was that's not a part of our code.

2238
03:42:13,020 --> 03:42:13,840
We don't enforce that.

2239
03:42:13,980 --> 03:42:20,560
I'm not saying that to you specifically in this current setting, but historically the

2240
03:42:20,560 --> 03:42:23,940
The response that I was given as a commissioner was, well, that's not a part of our code.

2241
03:42:23,960 --> 03:42:28,180
It's not something the county enforces, it's not something that the code enforcement at the sheriff's office handles.

2242
03:42:28,900 --> 03:42:32,460
And so we just would go, okay, I guess that's not something we do.

2243
03:42:33,080 --> 03:42:38,460
So I guess what I'm struggling with is how, either I was given misinformation back then,

2244
03:42:39,100 --> 03:42:45,200
or I was told that it was the implementation of the new property maintenance code that is now allowing you to do some of these things.

2245
03:42:45,200 --> 03:42:54,040
Back then you had the building code was the only code you had to fall back on when there was something that was alleged to be structural in nature.

2246
03:42:54,900 --> 03:42:58,140
So it was very limited as to who could respond and look at what.

2247
03:42:58,700 --> 03:43:02,180
The requirement for the multifamily has always been in place.

2248
03:43:03,020 --> 03:43:05,000
With the international property maintenance code,

2249
03:43:05,160 --> 03:43:13,260
what you did was allow your team to be able to handle everything from the shed, defense, the condo, the industrial park,

2250
03:43:13,940 --> 03:43:18,460
the stormwater during the fall and tree, that's what you enabled us to do by

2251
03:43:18,460 --> 03:43:21,740
giving us that. As you took everything from that basket and that basket and that

2252
03:43:21,740 --> 03:43:25,340
one over there and you put it all in one place and now that we've done that we

2253
03:43:25,340 --> 03:43:30,440
have the efficient means to address those issues and then lay down a time line

2254
03:43:30,440 --> 03:43:34,940
to stay preventative moving forward. So that makes sense. Is that help a little?

2255
03:43:34,940 --> 03:43:37,200
It does. It does.

2256
03:43:40,320 --> 03:43:49,090
I think it's it's a testimony to not having things as trifurcated a word.

2257
03:43:50,470 --> 03:43:51,810
Or quadrification.

2258
03:43:51,930 --> 03:43:52,850
Yeah, quadrification.

2259
03:43:53,950 --> 03:43:57,470
Yeah. Yes, it does.

2260
03:44:00,130 --> 03:44:01,330
For another time.

2261
03:44:01,710 --> 03:44:07,130
But to your point, one of the things that we talked about when we adopted these new standards

2262
03:44:07,130 --> 03:44:21,970
in a doubt that the international property maintenance code, and created this division was to eliminate the finger-pointing and who's supposed to be doing what, and make it all, and make it easy.

2263
03:44:22,390 --> 03:44:22,730
Got it.

2264
03:44:23,210 --> 03:44:26,070
So, the tools are there now, I'll say that.

2265
03:44:26,410 --> 03:44:32,510
And we want to keep walking on them, but the tools are there, the responsibilities are there, the team is in place.

2266
03:44:32,510 --> 03:44:32,630
Yes.

2267
03:44:33,150 --> 03:44:37,530
We eliminated the disconnects, yeah, commissioners and donors.

2268
03:44:37,910 --> 03:44:45,850
To that point, yes, I think my experience, pretty going down this route was, well, that's

2269
03:44:45,850 --> 03:44:48,950
a building officials problem to deal with.

2270
03:44:49,170 --> 03:44:54,910
We don't deal with that or that's development services or that's a permitting problem.

2271
03:44:55,950 --> 03:44:59,950
And under this new, it appears you brought up.

2272
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:29,340
All that together under one umbrella to be able to deal with that. Some were firemarshal issues. That, you know, you had to communicate to somebody else in another department that department doesn't know what that's going on. I think now there's communication amongst the departments and understanding you all have the tools to go do what is necessary and use those other assets to your ability to bring them into compliance. So with that said,

2273
03:45:29,340 --> 03:45:35,220
And I think John, you and I've had this discussion a couple times because we've got a couple

2274
03:45:35,220 --> 03:45:43,260
in my district, of course, these home-based businesses, which are allowable to a certain

2275
03:45:43,260 --> 03:45:45,380
extent, is probably a legal and attorney question.

2276
03:45:46,420 --> 03:45:52,720
I wonder because in my district, I have auto repair facilities operating out of people's

2277
03:45:52,720 --> 03:45:52,920
homes.

2278
03:45:53,420 --> 03:45:56,340
I have boat repair facilities operating out of people's homes.

2279
03:45:56,340 --> 03:46:10,580
What are we doing to make sure that the waste oil, the cleaning chemicals, the welding equipment, and all the things that are being utilized in that are not presenting a public safety issue or environmental hazard?

2280
03:46:10,980 --> 03:46:16,420
Just like is being done on the commercial side that we have to adhere to.

2281
03:46:16,420 --> 03:46:17,900
Right, I'm glad you asked.

2282
03:46:18,480 --> 03:46:22,480
Last week's training and the team probably any one of them could come up here and do this for me.

2283
03:46:22,860 --> 03:46:33,640
Right now, but under Florida Statute 5, 5, 9, 9, 5, 5, the home-based business rule statute that was enacted a few years back allows you to operate a business on your property.

2284
03:46:34,420 --> 03:46:38,680
Provided that the business is being, the work is being done on your property, the number one.

2285
03:46:39,060 --> 03:46:42,560
Number two, that the employees either reside, most of the employees reside there.

2286
03:46:42,660 --> 03:46:44,580
Two can come from somewhere else and work there.

2287
03:46:44,580 --> 03:46:50,720
Number three, the property parking must be that consistent with the rest of the community.

2288
03:46:51,280 --> 03:46:56,740
So if everybody's got no semis and you have four semis, we have a not congruent with

2289
03:46:56,740 --> 03:46:58,020
the rest of the community problem.

2290
03:46:58,780 --> 03:47:04,580
The other issue is then is if that business manufacture something they can't sell it out

2291
03:47:04,580 --> 03:47:07,180
of the shed, they have to sell it out of the principal structure.

2292
03:47:07,720 --> 03:47:12,460
So it kind of really locks them into this little area where they're very limited on what

2293
03:47:12,460 --> 03:47:18,920
they can do service-related industry in a home-based business is actually does not fit 5, 5, 5, 9, 9, 5, 5.

2294
03:47:19,160 --> 03:47:20,020
It does not.

2295
03:47:20,640 --> 03:47:30,240
For me to build you a race car in my front yard and sell it to you, it would not be allowable under 5, 5, 9, 9, 9, 5, 5.

2296
03:47:30,920 --> 03:47:36,760
For me to make you a pen and sell it to you at my front doors perfectly allowable.

2297
03:47:36,860 --> 03:47:41,960
For me to make you cottage food industry jams, cakes, pies, and sell them to you perfectly legal.

2298
03:47:41,960 --> 03:47:46,600
A lot of the things that have been going on in that area out there being that it's rural

2299
03:47:46,600 --> 03:47:51,320
and it's so far out and people just thought they could, they can't.

2300
03:47:51,500 --> 03:47:55,220
And we're doing a lot of reeducating with people and we're getting much cooperation.

2301
03:47:55,520 --> 03:47:58,580
I have to tell you that they're probably the easiest people in the world to work with.

2302
03:47:59,200 --> 03:48:03,040
And a lot of them based on some of the things that they've been doing and the like the time

2303
03:48:03,040 --> 03:48:07,500
they've been doing it as long as certain caveats are being put into place like what, show

2304
03:48:07,500 --> 03:48:09,840
me a contract with a waste of all disposal companies.

2305
03:48:09,840 --> 03:48:14,920
show me a contract with a battery disposal company along those lines and then when anyone

2306
03:48:14,920 --> 03:48:19,220
was to drive past the beginning of the, you know, past that property, so provided it

2307
03:48:19,220 --> 03:48:23,860
looks like every other property in the community, we're not going to come down on you.

2308
03:48:24,220 --> 03:48:28,180
You start jumping up my neighborhoods, filling your oil in the street, then I have to take

2309
03:48:28,180 --> 03:48:29,120
exception to that.

2310
03:48:29,400 --> 03:48:30,700
We have to have that other conversation.

2311
03:48:31,720 --> 03:48:31,860
Yeah.

2312
03:48:32,100 --> 03:48:36,600
So it's a big reeducation push because of the misconception of 555.

2313
03:48:36,600 --> 03:48:43,000
Yeah, and I often worry about only because I'm in and have been in those tight businesses

2314
03:48:43,000 --> 03:48:51,300
that life's safety, when you have four, five, six, seven, eight vehicles or more in a

2315
03:48:51,300 --> 03:48:57,460
confined area and you have unfortunately a fire that sets out, is a fire marshal, where

2316
03:48:57,460 --> 03:49:02,140
are that, is a fire department aware that that's what they're responding to, more of a commercial

2317
03:49:02,140 --> 03:49:12,300
the residential setting, and the residential setting, number one, number two, the amount of focus we put on water quality and all those things, where is the way still going?

2318
03:49:12,460 --> 03:49:13,820
Where are the chemicals going?

2319
03:49:13,960 --> 03:49:14,080
Absolutely.

2320
03:49:15,800 --> 03:49:21,180
And that's always a concern that I have what's going on in some of those instances.

2321
03:49:21,540 --> 03:49:31,100
We took your concern that you and I talked about very early on, and we looked at those properties out there with people doing things similar to those, and we looked at how do we protect the environment?

2322
03:49:31,100 --> 03:49:36,180
what are your disposal methods? What are you actually doing? Can you do this? Is there a way to

2323
03:49:36,180 --> 03:49:41,820
help you to be able to do this supplementary income or is this your primary focus? Well the big

2324
03:49:41,820 --> 03:49:47,740
caveat with 5.5.9 is you have to actually live on the property. You can't just get a piece of

2325
03:49:47,740 --> 03:49:54,140
road boundary property and run a business out of it. That's a no. So one of the things that we've

2326
03:49:54,140 --> 03:49:58,700
been doing is looking through each of these business owners on these areas. And this is countywide.

2327
03:49:58,700 --> 03:49:59,960
Sure, the first thing we do is

2328
03:50:00,000 --> 03:50:27,860
So, as we make sure there's, there is a business that there's a BTR, and can there be a BTR? If they can, then we make sure they get it. And that's one of the ways that fire would know that there's something other than a resident's going on here when they get there. Part of the other additional things that we're going to talk to you about in year two would be the RV, which is because some of these properties have 11 RVs on them. You and I both know if I park an RV between your house and mine and my RV burst into flames, you're losing just as much as I am. Right.

2329
03:50:27,860 --> 03:50:34,240
So, one of the things that we'll want to talk to you later on next year about is doing something to improve those problems.

2330
03:50:34,440 --> 03:50:38,060
But with people living in RVs, you then have to deal with sewage disposal.

2331
03:50:38,460 --> 03:50:44,580
So, we have, as you all know, we have our hands quite full, and we're trying to prioritize what needs to be addressed.

2332
03:50:44,900 --> 03:50:51,720
And that's, again, that's why this November issue is so critical to all of us, because as you can see,

2333
03:50:52,160 --> 03:51:06,220
most of the 3,600 inspections in the cases that were conducted to bring them into compliance are most likely a reduction in calls for service to the sheriff's office, the fire department, EMS, environmental water quality.

2334
03:51:08,780 --> 03:51:14,800
But please, everyone of you all know how to get hold of me. All you have to do is message me and I'll stop when I'm doing and run to see you.

2335
03:51:14,860 --> 03:51:15,860
I'll be happy to talk to you.

2336
03:51:15,860 --> 03:51:17,040
I don't want to answer any questions.

2337
03:51:18,360 --> 03:51:19,620
Don't tell us you're doing that.

2338
03:51:20,180 --> 03:51:20,740
Don't know that.

2339
03:51:21,000 --> 03:51:22,220
And one final question.

2340
03:51:23,080 --> 03:51:26,060
Are we on our way to getting body cams

2341
03:51:26,060 --> 03:51:27,900
for our good enforcement officers?

2342
03:51:32,440 --> 03:51:34,360
As you might imagine, Commissioner,

2343
03:51:34,520 --> 03:51:37,380
we're having to look at budget cuts at this time.

2344
03:51:37,520 --> 03:51:37,780
Understood.

2345
03:51:39,200 --> 03:51:40,640
And, well, I don't know about that.

2346
03:51:40,760 --> 03:51:41,600
You keep bringing it up, too.

2347
03:51:43,360 --> 03:51:48,400
It's something that we realize is a benefit to us across the board.

2348
03:51:48,760 --> 03:51:52,160
There's also a cost, a cost to maintaining all the data.

2349
03:51:52,300 --> 03:51:58,060
We have worked with IT to look at that right now, and we're still evaluating it at the moment.

2350
03:51:58,280 --> 03:52:03,900
And I'm sure we'll be in a better position to make a better educated decision in November 4th.

2351
03:52:04,340 --> 03:52:04,880
Fair enough.

2352
03:52:09,800 --> 03:52:15,820
I just wanted to say, it's serendipitous that I got to sit here for

2353
03:52:15,820 --> 03:52:20,140
there and today because probably in my 12 years at the county, the establishment

2354
03:52:20,140 --> 03:52:22,120
of this division is what I'm most proud of.

2355
03:52:22,420 --> 03:52:25,580
And we all have a lot to be proud of when you look at the work they've done.

2356
03:52:26,020 --> 03:52:27,580
And I really wanted to thank this commission.

2357
03:52:27,860 --> 03:52:31,620
It wouldn't have happened had you not made the decision to bring code enforcement in house.

2358
03:52:31,620 --> 03:52:32,260
So thank you.

2359
03:52:32,620 --> 03:52:35,180
And thank you for your support of this team.

2360
03:52:35,560 --> 03:52:39,480
It's a great example of when you put the right people in the seats of the bus or whatever

2361
03:52:39,480 --> 03:52:41,100
that cliche is, what can happen.

2362
03:52:41,300 --> 03:52:45,340
And also to Mike and John and Jen Knicks, who were in the trenches last summer.

2363
03:52:45,720 --> 03:52:47,380
It was nice to not see them for a little while.

2364
03:52:47,680 --> 03:52:51,020
I actually can't really go to the tape, but we're all very proud.

2365
03:52:51,260 --> 03:52:51,560
Thank you.

2366
03:52:52,060 --> 03:52:54,680
Well, this can't go on set either.

2367
03:52:54,840 --> 03:53:00,480
And that is that we had what we all felt like was a mess boiling under the surface

2368
03:53:00,480 --> 03:53:03,900
So the water and Trisha just had heard enough and said, give it to me.

2369
03:53:04,480 --> 03:53:10,200
I'll take it, and then walk down the hall like that, and then took it and did it.

2370
03:53:10,620 --> 03:53:12,080
And so we appreciate you.

2371
03:53:12,120 --> 03:53:16,100
We know this is not the only thing that that's ever happened with, but this certainly

2372
03:53:16,100 --> 03:53:19,760
has had a significant impact on the community, so we're in debt to you as well.

2373
03:53:20,220 --> 03:53:21,220
Absolutely, thank you.

2374
03:53:22,060 --> 03:53:23,460
Yes, Commissioner Constantine.

2375
03:53:23,840 --> 03:53:30,460
Thank you, and as all have said, not only is the compliance so much better

2376
03:53:30,460 --> 03:53:34,820
But the response back to the office is so much better.

2377
03:53:35,020 --> 03:53:39,200
I mean, instead of going into a black hole and not knowing what's happening,

2378
03:53:39,500 --> 03:53:46,320
you're getting back to our offices so that we can get back to the citizens and really appreciate it.

2379
03:53:46,840 --> 03:53:52,620
I do have a sensitive question, and if you'd rather answer it offline, I'll be happy to do it.

2380
03:53:52,620 --> 03:54:00,140
But in my district, since I don't know how many years, but it's been at least 20,

2381
03:54:00,140 --> 03:54:13,900
I have a habitual offender and who has amassed leans and finds of over 20 times the value of his property.

2382
03:54:15,960 --> 03:54:18,620
And I'm going to make it non-specific.

2383
03:54:19,040 --> 03:54:23,880
To habitual violators that you're never going to be able to get the money back.

2384
03:54:24,020 --> 03:54:26,420
Is there any other thing that we can do?

2385
03:54:28,080 --> 03:54:40,680
My response will be we can ask the legislature to change the state statute so that we can have the same kind of authority to close under certain circumstances on homestead properties.

2386
03:54:41,060 --> 03:54:44,900
And that's certainly the predicament that we're in right now.

2387
03:54:45,080 --> 03:54:49,020
And I don't see that happening based upon my experience deal with the legislature.

2388
03:54:49,440 --> 03:54:55,480
But I do know that from time to time, even with those properties windows open.

2389
03:54:55,480 --> 03:54:59,720
And we always look for those windows to open and so

2390
03:55:00,000 --> 03:55:27,920
So when they do, and we can take more action, we will, the poor citizens. Well, and I would say, Commissioner Constantine, this may be an opportunity for you to work with FACC to put it on the top of one of their priorities for the legislative session. The poor citizens, and that's a good suggestion. But the poor citizens that live around there, I mean, you feel terrible. But they have to put up within, and the value of their property is diminished immensely.

2391
03:55:28,640 --> 03:55:31,700
And in some instances to zero because you cannot sell it.

2392
03:55:31,700 --> 03:55:32,740
Right, exactly, right.

2393
03:55:32,880 --> 03:55:36,120
And I could promise you every community has someone like that.

2394
03:55:36,800 --> 03:55:40,280
And I think with the right kind of guardrails built in,

2395
03:55:40,340 --> 03:55:43,860
the legislature can give us the authority to deal with that.

2396
03:55:44,120 --> 03:55:47,820
But it's going to take a lot of work across the state of Florida.

2397
03:55:49,320 --> 03:55:49,760
Okay.

2398
03:55:49,840 --> 03:55:50,120
All right.

2399
03:55:50,380 --> 03:55:52,640
If there's any consolation, there are developments.

2400
03:55:53,420 --> 03:55:54,860
And I am on top of it.

2401
03:56:00,180 --> 03:56:03,200
I was going to ask you to call the microphone over but don't.

2402
03:56:05,760 --> 03:56:07,900
He just said he was going to stay on top of it.

2403
03:56:08,580 --> 03:56:08,760
All right.

2404
03:56:08,860 --> 03:56:10,180
Any other comments, commissions?

2405
03:56:10,840 --> 03:56:12,400
With that, thank you all for the presentation.

2406
03:56:12,780 --> 03:56:16,240
Thank you all for the hard work that you've given all year long.

2407
03:56:16,780 --> 03:56:17,740
And it's okay to smile.

2408
03:56:19,000 --> 03:56:19,820
Thank you all.

2409
03:56:25,570 --> 03:56:26,090
All right.

2410
03:56:26,090 --> 03:56:30,090
That takes us to district commissioner reports district two commissioners in the

2411
03:56:31,030 --> 03:56:39,030
Don't have a whole lot to report. I just want to remind folks, you know, I always have animal issues in my district

2412
03:56:40,430 --> 03:56:45,470
We have a an HOA that has an over abundance of muscovy ducks

2413
03:56:46,230 --> 03:56:47,430
that have invaded

2414
03:56:48,410 --> 03:56:52,270
their HOA areas and we've forwarded it over to

2415
03:56:52,270 --> 03:56:58,310
to FWC deal with it, but just a friendly reminder to the public,

2416
03:56:59,550 --> 03:57:06,750
Muscovy ducks are a non-native Floridian bird, but they still are protected from cruelty,

2417
03:57:07,310 --> 03:57:12,910
so we do not suggest you do anything to these animals, contact FWC for guidance.

2418
03:57:15,070 --> 03:57:20,910
Likewise, don't feed these ducks, because feeding these ducks do nothing but draw more ducks.

2419
03:57:21,610 --> 03:57:24,430
and then you will be overrun with Muscovy Ducks.

2420
03:57:25,070 --> 03:57:27,630
So just a public service announcement,

2421
03:57:27,890 --> 03:57:29,390
don't feed the Muscovy Ducks.

2422
03:57:29,870 --> 03:57:32,110
Let them come and go and they'll go to the next HOA

2423
03:57:32,110 --> 03:57:35,890
and they'll fly and walk 10 blocks away to the other HOA.

2424
03:57:36,390 --> 03:57:39,550
But if you've got a couple folks that just like

2425
03:57:39,550 --> 03:57:40,750
to feed the Ducks, guess what?

2426
03:57:40,890 --> 03:57:41,870
They're gonna be there for a while.

2427
03:57:42,830 --> 03:57:45,750
Outside of that, everything else is doing well

2428
03:57:45,750 --> 03:57:46,350
in district two.

2429
03:57:46,910 --> 03:57:47,990
All right, I'm gonna go backwards

2430
03:57:47,990 --> 03:57:50,490
because I skipped the county attorney and the county manager.

2431
03:57:51,790 --> 03:57:52,990
Do you feel left out?

2432
03:57:53,970 --> 03:57:55,650
I did, but I have no report.

2433
03:57:57,110 --> 03:57:58,610
I thought maybe we should get that on the record.

2434
03:57:59,270 --> 03:58:00,490
I do have a couple of things there.

2435
03:58:00,830 --> 03:58:06,890
As of September 10th, we will celebrate the opening of the Niagara and

2436
03:58:06,890 --> 03:58:10,430
Carriage Collection at the Museum of Seminole County history.

2437
03:58:10,650 --> 03:58:14,110
And we want to thank the Seminole County Historical Society for

2438
03:58:14,110 --> 03:58:15,510
really championing that collection.

2439
03:58:15,510 --> 03:58:22,530
So with date again September 10th, and that's been a long time coming, so definitely wanted to share that.

2440
03:58:22,690 --> 03:58:30,070
Additionally, we want to highlight that Seminole County's Marksand Conservation Strategy has received a 2026

2441
03:58:30,070 --> 03:58:35,170
Alice Sienz, forgive me if I'm pronouncing that incorrectly, Woolbrook NATO Impact Award.

2442
03:58:35,870 --> 03:58:40,310
Working with East Central Florida Regional Resilience Collaborative in Stetson University,

2443
03:58:40,310 --> 03:58:46,790
county data was analyzed using the Marks and Conservation Strategy to identify important

2444
03:58:46,790 --> 03:58:52,050
natural areas and opportunities to reduce flooding, improve storm water management, and

2445
03:58:52,050 --> 03:58:53,190
support conservation.

2446
03:58:53,790 --> 03:58:58,890
And just two other pieces of good news are Solid Waste Team earned a national award for

2447
03:58:59,170 --> 03:59:03,250
the Solid Waste Association of North America for its recycling program.

2448
03:59:03,870 --> 03:59:08,490
And our communications team received three awards at the recent Florida Public Relations

2449
03:59:08,490 --> 03:59:11,750
Association, Golden Image Awards for Citizens Academy.

2450
03:59:12,090 --> 03:59:14,670
So that's not only a congratulations to them,

2451
03:59:14,790 --> 03:59:16,270
but our departments who participate in that.

2452
03:59:16,550 --> 03:59:16,930
Thank you.

2453
03:59:17,390 --> 03:59:17,610
Good Skype.

2454
03:59:18,210 --> 03:59:18,870
Awesome, awesome.

2455
03:59:19,090 --> 03:59:20,730
I didn't say Go Hatters when we said that.

2456
03:59:20,950 --> 03:59:23,270
I know, I'm going to say-

2457
03:59:23,270 --> 03:59:25,810
Go Hatters and Mr. Constantine.

2458
03:59:26,490 --> 03:59:27,270
Thank you very much.

2459
03:59:27,970 --> 03:59:32,670
On August 20th, the Seminole Chamber had a business awards

2460
03:59:33,310 --> 03:59:37,570
for Seminole County at the Hilton in Outamont Springs.

2461
03:59:37,570 --> 03:59:44,990
and one thing that was very heartwarming is how many of our businesses are so much involved in the community

2462
03:59:44,990 --> 03:59:51,010
and involved in the philanthropic activities with this community.

2463
03:59:51,250 --> 03:59:59,790
So congratulations to all, also that day, the Tourist Development Council and the TID.

2464
04:00:00,000 --> 04:00:28,820
Guy's report had a meeting mostly about, obviously, the sports complex and information on that, but also the fact of how successful so many of our programs have been, whether it be through our advertising social media all the way through just the increases with the hotels. I can tell you that the hotels are also very continued to be very supportive and exciting about the sports complex.

2465
04:00:28,820 --> 04:00:36,260
This morning at 9 a.m., virtually, there was a statewide council of opioid abatement.

2466
04:00:36,400 --> 04:00:41,040
It was there for the first 15 minutes, it could not be there for the rest of the time, obviously.

2467
04:00:41,940 --> 04:00:51,280
Tomorrow, the Florida Trust is having one of their annual semiannual meetings, so I will be attending that.

2468
04:00:51,280 --> 04:01:00,640
The Seminole Chamber again on August 27th, we'll be having a business resource at Seminole State College in Heathrow.

2469
04:01:01,000 --> 04:01:06,320
And I think that's always helpful to many of our businesses and citizens.

2470
04:01:06,640 --> 04:01:19,640
The next series on the data centers for NACO will be on the 28th, and this one will be on understanding electricity and

2471
04:01:19,640 --> 04:01:21,820
the use of electricity for data centers.

2472
04:01:23,300 --> 04:01:26,340
September 3rd at Good Morning Seminole.

2473
04:01:26,380 --> 04:01:29,480
There is going to be an update from the zoo.

2474
04:01:30,420 --> 04:01:35,820
And to finish this off in a very exciting and happy comment

2475
04:01:36,400 --> 04:01:41,860
tomorrow of one of our citizens who have lived in Robin

2476
04:01:41,860 --> 04:01:52,600
Gordon Hill since 1969 will be 103 years old, Bob Lowe, one of the now continuing to

2477
04:01:54,080 --> 04:01:56,260
dwindle World War II veterans.

2478
04:01:57,060 --> 04:02:05,660
He was a Navy master chief petty officer in World War II and Mr. Epps and so many of his

2479
04:02:05,660 --> 04:02:15,860
neighbors in Robin Hills will be giving him a party outside at a 5.30 all are welcome

2480
04:02:15,860 --> 04:02:24,360
to go if you can and Mr. Low is a wonderful person and a happy birthday sir and thank you

2481
04:02:24,360 --> 04:02:27,680
for your service and just living a good life.

2482
04:02:28,920 --> 04:02:33,040
That was tomorrow night Wednesday yes 5.30

2483
04:02:33,040 --> 04:02:33,860
That's five years.

2484
04:02:34,180 --> 04:02:34,680
That's five years.

2485
04:02:35,420 --> 04:02:36,760
Does that conclude your report?

2486
04:02:37,100 --> 04:02:37,480
That's mine.

2487
04:02:37,900 --> 04:02:38,260
That's my report.

2488
04:02:38,260 --> 04:02:38,600
All right.

2489
04:02:38,740 --> 04:02:39,360
Mr. Lockhart.

2490
04:02:40,920 --> 04:02:44,400
While we're doing birthdays, I'll do a birthday shout out to my dad.

2491
04:02:44,740 --> 04:02:46,620
Today is his 90 second birthday.

2492
04:02:47,260 --> 04:02:49,200
We've got to celebrate together last weekend.

2493
04:02:49,620 --> 04:02:50,380
Thank you very much.

2494
04:02:50,440 --> 04:02:52,620
He's moving and grooving at 92.

2495
04:02:53,340 --> 04:02:55,760
His great-great-grandmother lives to 105.

2496
04:02:56,380 --> 04:02:56,460
Wow.

2497
04:02:56,600 --> 04:02:58,700
So there's some good longevity genes there.

2498
04:02:58,920 --> 04:02:59,120
I know.

2499
04:02:59,120 --> 04:02:59,660
I know.

2500
04:03:01,640 --> 04:03:06,420
I wanted to let you all know that both links and sun rail board meetings have been canceled

2501
04:03:07,360 --> 04:03:13,220
pretty much for the summer and this month and I think we reconvene in September maybe

2502
04:03:13,220 --> 04:03:15,560
we have September meetings on the schedule.

2503
04:03:16,720 --> 04:03:23,120
I'm sure Ms. Allori can give you some updates on what is happening from a staff perspective

2504
04:03:23,120 --> 04:03:24,480
with those two agencies.

2505
04:03:24,980 --> 04:03:29,800
That would probably be a good thing to go ahead and schedule, not here now, but yeah.

2506
04:03:30,320 --> 04:03:30,960
It's just a poor thing.

2507
04:03:31,520 --> 04:03:32,440
Oh my gosh, I got to get up there.

2508
04:03:32,620 --> 04:03:33,060
No, no, no.

2509
04:03:33,400 --> 04:03:37,740
And at another time, individual updates would probably be really helpful.

2510
04:03:41,800 --> 04:03:46,680
Thank you to Chris Patton and his team and the folks at Scout who brought out a vehicle

2511
04:03:46,680 --> 04:03:54,860
to the American region in Ovedo, and there were about, I'm going to say, 50 or 60 folks

2512
04:03:54,860 --> 04:03:58,300
out there for their coffee time, and they had an opportunity to ask lots of questions,

2513
04:03:58,620 --> 04:04:02,460
and hear about how they can utilize scout services.

2514
04:04:03,180 --> 04:04:07,280
One of the things that was asked, and I said that I would bring it before the board for

2515
04:04:07,280 --> 04:04:12,680
future consideration, I feel like everything has to have the caveat, depending on what happens

2516
04:04:12,680 --> 04:04:18,720
in November, but for future consideration, having there be a direct connect to the Lake

2517
04:04:18,720 --> 04:04:24,980
Nona VA facility. They really saw the potential opportunity for them to be able to access

2518
04:04:24,980 --> 04:04:29,320
their medical care at the VA, which of course is not in some of the county's boundaries,

2519
04:04:29,320 --> 04:04:33,420
but perhaps there would be some creative way for us to think about that in the future.

2520
04:04:35,580 --> 04:04:39,940
The medical examiner meeting a couple of weeks ago where last week

2521
04:04:40,820 --> 04:04:49,440
The item that was up for on the agenda that we kind of had a question about is this for informational purposes or voting purposes.

2522
04:04:50,120 --> 04:04:59,860
It was not, it wasn't voted on, but they were asking whether or not there were any objections for it to come back to our individual.

2523
04:05:00,000 --> 04:05:29,980
So we have a general board. What it's basically doing is changing the language in the contract that's currently in place to reflect how we are actually operating. Several board meetings ago, we realized that we were not operating in accordance with the agreement. So we said, well, do we want to change the agreement to reflect the way we're actually operating or do we want to change the way we're operating to reflect the agreement? And we said, let's just, let's amend the contract to reflect the agreement.

2524
04:05:29,980 --> 04:05:48,300
reflect the actual process that's in place, so that without objection at the medical examiner board meeting that change is going to come back to this board and all of the boards for consideration and ratification and then go back to the medical examiner board, I believe.

2525
04:05:48,840 --> 04:05:51,680
I see some very perplexed faces.

2526
04:05:51,680 --> 04:06:01,820
I do because we went through a year or two ago, all of the county attorneys reviewed

2527
04:06:01,820 --> 04:06:09,960
the contract to be sure was consistent with what our purpose was.

2528
04:06:12,120 --> 04:06:14,720
So I don't know what's changed there.

2529
04:06:14,720 --> 04:06:21,720
Well, so what has changed is that the medical examiner never shared with anyone

2530
04:06:21,720 --> 04:06:27,300
that she was not operating in the way that the contract is written.

2531
04:06:27,300 --> 04:06:31,460
So all of the attorneys were in agreement about what the language said.

2532
04:06:31,880 --> 04:06:32,780
Maybe on the state.

2533
04:06:32,940 --> 04:06:39,520
Is it the contract between her and the, or between us as the parties?

2534
04:06:39,900 --> 04:06:42,680
Us, because it has to do with transporting of bodies.

2535
04:06:44,080 --> 04:06:51,660
And they were actually doing transporting, even though it wasn't in the contract to do it.

2536
04:06:52,080 --> 04:06:54,200
I believe I have that right or is it the other way around?

2537
04:06:54,320 --> 04:06:54,700
Is that correct?

2538
04:06:54,860 --> 04:06:55,820
I'm going to look into Christian.

2539
04:06:58,240 --> 04:07:06,480
It wasn't until a few months ago, which precipitated the scoring that I gave, by the way,

2540
04:07:07,820 --> 04:07:19,340
that we were able in our public meeting to come to the conclusion that what all of the counties agreed on was not actually what was being implemented by the medical examiner's office.

2541
04:07:19,980 --> 04:07:20,720
Christian, do you mind?

2542
04:07:21,060 --> 04:07:21,840
You can clarify.

2543
04:07:21,840 --> 04:07:29,520
person's ones on the assistant kind of Andrews. So when Seminole joined District 5, there

2544
04:07:29,520 --> 04:07:36,180
was a difference that arose in the inner local agreement for us to pay a private firm

2545
04:07:36,180 --> 04:07:40,680
to transport bodies. So as opposed to tie up their vehicles, the medical examiner was

2546
04:07:41,180 --> 04:07:47,460
supposed to contract with an outside agency to transport those folks to their facility.

2547
04:07:47,460 --> 04:07:53,500
That's gone on a number of years, no one realized until a meeting of a few months back

2548
04:07:53,500 --> 04:07:58,380
that there was no call to the outside vendor to bring them in and said they were

2549
04:07:59,020 --> 04:08:04,340
utilizing the district vibe, district five vans to pick up the deceased folks and bring them back.

2550
04:08:04,840 --> 04:08:08,580
So it was a true up to take out that caveat that we were supposed to do something different

2551
04:08:08,580 --> 04:08:11,380
and make it the same as it was being done.

2552
04:08:11,380 --> 04:08:23,900
Okay, so the obvious question is Mary and County has the point entity on overseeing the

2553
04:08:23,900 --> 04:08:25,160
medical examiner's board.

2554
04:08:25,920 --> 04:08:29,800
Their legal team is on that board.

2555
04:08:30,260 --> 04:08:38,940
Their fire division oversees the running of that operation was somebody not following

2556
04:08:38,940 --> 04:08:48,180
up and watching those as them being the point organization, if you will, who

2557
04:08:48,180 --> 04:08:54,020
provides all the oversight and et cetera, they just now got that, or did we catch

2558
04:08:54,020 --> 04:08:54,940
it to bring up their attention?

2559
04:08:55,420 --> 04:09:01,660
I think it came to light as a result of my incessant annoying questioning at the

2560
04:09:01,660 --> 04:09:08,120
board meeting. I hesitate to say that another county wasn't doing their job because

2561
04:09:08,120 --> 04:09:10,060
I'm not sure how they would have known.

2562
04:09:10,420 --> 04:09:18,280
It was such a random thing to stumble upon, to find that the piece that really impacted

2563
04:09:18,280 --> 04:09:20,520
Seminole County's inclusion had changed.

2564
04:09:20,600 --> 04:09:25,640
I don't think they would have had any reason to know that the, that that piece didn't ever occur.

2565
04:09:26,220 --> 04:09:28,020
Does that, is that a good statement?

2566
04:09:28,580 --> 04:09:32,160
I understand what you're saying, but they are the administrative arm to that board.

2567
04:09:33,520 --> 04:09:43,280
And they are also the administrative arm and part of the contractual agreement with the medical examiner who is a separate entity.

2568
04:09:45,800 --> 04:09:53,700
So under what I think I'm hearing is no one entity is actually auditing what's happening.

2569
04:09:54,120 --> 04:09:59,960
Each entity is going to have to audit themselves through the contract through the medical examiner's contract.

2570
04:10:00,000 --> 04:10:29,800
So I'd like to interact with the consortium to determine if everything's being done, that's contracted to be done. If I may, I'll, um, there would be a voicing was supposed to apparently come to us directly. So I think how the confusion, how the confusion's brought the light had to come from a budget, session, or commissioner, law, cart was questioning the purchase of vehicles. This is a convoluted thing. We had to provide certain vehicles for them to do certain things with their death investigates. We were doing that.

2571
04:10:29,800 --> 04:10:33,780
But they were requesting vehicles for transport, so we were like, well hold on, we already have vehicles.

2572
04:10:34,220 --> 04:10:39,900
And this kind of discombobulation of which vehicle belongs to who is how it come to light.

2573
04:10:40,600 --> 04:10:44,140
This issue then we said, hold on, we're supposed to be paying for the transport.

2574
04:10:44,420 --> 04:10:48,000
And it was like, as we looked into it, she wasn't building us.

2575
04:10:48,560 --> 04:10:54,240
Quite frankly, the bills go to a party of none of us were there.

2576
04:10:54,460 --> 04:10:57,860
So after we looked into this and said, we're not getting bills.

2577
04:10:58,520 --> 04:11:00,460
Marion wouldn't know we're not getting bills.

2578
04:11:00,980 --> 04:11:06,560
The medical examiner had kind of veered left and was doing it the same way everyone else was doing it.

2579
04:11:07,000 --> 04:11:15,080
So that's how it was a bit muddled with, I don't know if there was a check-in balance that they could have necessarily have seen directly.

2580
04:11:16,440 --> 04:11:21,760
And quite frankly, we were degree removed from the actual bills coming in to be able to see it directly or so.

2581
04:11:22,640 --> 04:11:24,880
I'm not sure that this is a bad thing for us.

2582
04:11:25,060 --> 04:11:27,500
No, I don't say that at all.

2583
04:11:27,500 --> 04:11:27,800
Okay.

2584
04:11:28,040 --> 04:11:31,920
I'm just trying to how it got between the cracks.

2585
04:11:33,540 --> 04:11:34,420
Completely understand.

2586
04:11:35,200 --> 04:11:35,960
Commissioner Dullard.

2587
04:11:36,260 --> 04:11:36,780
Thank you, Madam Chair.

2588
04:11:37,280 --> 04:11:40,240
Thank you, Commissioner Locke, for bringing us to our attention.

2589
04:11:41,820 --> 04:11:45,800
Obviously, when this comes before us, I'd like to definitely read, see the contract,

2590
04:11:45,800 --> 04:11:49,500
and actually get a briefing from our staff so we can all be up on the same page.

2591
04:11:49,860 --> 04:11:53,200
You obviously have more knowledge than we do because you and Commissioner Zimbabwe

2592
04:11:53,200 --> 04:11:56,220
I've been further involved as well as I think Commissioner Hur,

2593
04:11:56,280 --> 04:11:57,700
you've been to one meeting or so?

2594
04:11:58,060 --> 04:11:58,440
No, okay.

2595
04:11:58,620 --> 04:11:59,660
She's like, don't forget that.

2596
04:11:59,660 --> 04:11:59,960
That's what we do.

2597
04:11:59,960 --> 04:12:00,300
That's what we do.

2598
04:12:00,860 --> 04:12:03,180
I know, and nothing about bursting these things.

2599
04:12:03,340 --> 04:12:07,500
I thought you were, I'm sorry, I stand for it.

2600
04:12:07,700 --> 04:12:10,880
But I'd like to bring, brought up to speed with our staff.

2601
04:12:11,180 --> 04:12:12,300
And so I'd like to read the contract.

2602
04:12:12,500 --> 04:12:12,840
Absolutely.

2603
04:12:13,080 --> 04:12:14,580
And that contract will make its way back

2604
04:12:14,580 --> 04:12:16,080
through the county attorney's office.

2605
04:12:16,560 --> 04:12:18,800
And then I'm sure they'll be setting up briefings with.

2606
04:12:18,980 --> 04:12:21,860
And again, when I say staff, it'll be the attorney's office

2607
04:12:21,860 --> 04:12:24,480
as well as Christian, whoever else has been involved in it.

2608
04:12:24,500 --> 04:12:24,820
Absolutely.

2609
04:12:25,020 --> 04:12:29,340
And hopefully that's the only change in the contract.

2610
04:12:29,880 --> 04:12:32,000
I think there'd be more questions because-

2611
04:12:32,000 --> 04:12:36,300
I believe that the same type of thing happened with cremation services,

2612
04:12:36,300 --> 04:12:38,960
and how they were handling, so the two are very much the same.

2613
04:12:39,040 --> 04:12:40,340
It's a transport and a cremation.

2614
04:12:40,740 --> 04:12:44,620
It's one section of the interlocal agreement that's basically striking through

2615
04:12:44,620 --> 04:12:48,120
everything that was making us different from everyone else,

2616
04:12:48,120 --> 04:12:50,440
and why it was set up differently all those years ago.

2617
04:12:50,440 --> 04:12:52,580
I don't think any of us can speak to that.

2618
04:12:52,660 --> 04:12:53,600
I can speak to that.

2619
04:12:54,860 --> 04:12:55,960
Do you have to?

2620
04:12:56,360 --> 04:12:58,420
No, no, I don't have to, but thank you.

2621
04:12:58,760 --> 04:13:00,780
Let's hold it for when this comes up.

2622
04:13:02,380 --> 04:13:09,160
So that's what happened at the meeting and what will be to come from the medical examiner district 5 and 24.

2623
04:13:09,940 --> 04:13:18,160
The other item that I wanted to put out for future thoughts and consideration when we start talking about bears again and bear management areas.

2624
04:13:18,160 --> 04:13:28,260
There's been an uptick in bear activity in my district, which is interesting because it's more of the urban core of the county.

2625
04:13:28,980 --> 04:13:37,580
But the area between I-4 and the 417 has seen quite an uptick in activity.

2626
04:13:41,440 --> 04:14:05,880
and none of, I shouldn't say none of, very few of the residents in that area have any idea that there are bare management areas in other parts of the county, or that there are tools that they can utilize to help limit the human bear interactions, or the getting into the trash, or those sorts of things because all of our efforts have really been in those bare management areas, and yet we've got a lot of bears in the urban area.

2627
04:14:05,880 --> 04:14:11,740
Yeah, the urban bear management area in the urban area, so I'd like to look at that if,

2628
04:14:12,020 --> 04:14:17,720
um, when the next time we start having those conversations could come up, and that's the end of my report.

2629
04:14:17,980 --> 04:14:25,100
I would tell you that that is more than likely a result of the success of bear preservation.

2630
04:14:26,180 --> 04:14:28,060
It's, I mean, I see it firsthand.

2631
04:14:28,560 --> 04:14:33,800
We're having a lot of babies every year, and they disband when they grow, so they're finding

2632
04:14:33,800 --> 04:14:34,720
places to go.

2633
04:14:34,720 --> 04:14:38,420
They have them two or three years. They leave Mama and they're not going west. So

2634
04:14:39,040 --> 04:14:41,640
Some are probably going west, but I mean we're having

2635
04:14:42,800 --> 04:14:46,040
Several multiple births a year when we all know them by name

2636
04:14:46,640 --> 04:14:47,580
Well, they have good feed

2637
04:14:48,120 --> 04:14:50,880
And a pop could garbage is in this good source

2638
04:14:52,800 --> 04:14:58,060
Shouldn't feed the ducks and you shouldn't feed the deer and you shouldn't feed the bears and you shouldn't feed the turkey

2639
04:15:01,340 --> 04:15:29,560
I agree. All right. Thank you, Madam Chair. I'll be brief. I know we spoke about this briefing at the beginning of the meeting, but I want to congratulate UCF Business Incubator Program for being number one in the state. And I also want to congratulate our staff because they've actually been able to get them to go to Semmel State. They're building as well. And I know a lot of work went into that. And so I want to thank UCF Semmel State.

2640
04:15:29,560 --> 04:15:37,500
And our staff bring it all together, and it's quite an accomplishment to have such a good incubator program for businesses, and I wanted to thank everyone involved.

2641
04:15:38,780 --> 04:15:39,280
And my report.

2642
04:15:39,760 --> 04:15:40,180
Thank you.

2643
04:15:40,780 --> 04:15:44,580
All right, so the District 5 report, very brief.

2644
04:15:45,060 --> 04:15:56,260
I attended a grand opening in the city of Sanford, but yesterday for a manufacturing plant, and it's pronounced Aaron on formulating solutions on Tech Drive in Sanford.

2645
04:15:56,260 --> 04:16:02,260
a wonderful family-owned business, well-paying jobs, et cetera.

2646
04:16:02,460 --> 04:16:07,380
But the best part of it was the story shared by Mrs. Aeronon

2647
04:16:07,860 --> 04:16:13,160
that they originally were moving out of Brooklyn to New Jersey.

2648
04:16:14,080 --> 04:16:15,480
And that's not right.

2649
04:16:15,660 --> 04:16:16,400
Don't go there.

2650
04:16:16,540 --> 04:16:17,280
To New Jersey.

2651
04:16:18,340 --> 04:16:19,660
No, hold on for it.

2652
04:16:19,700 --> 04:16:20,280
How do you get to come back?

2653
04:16:20,360 --> 04:16:21,640
We'll both be vindicated here.

2654
04:16:21,900 --> 04:16:25,540
And the permitting process in New Jersey took so long

2655
04:16:25,540 --> 04:16:48,400
and was so difficult and was pretty horrible, that the property that they purchased in New Jersey appreciated while they were doing all of the work to try to get to build it, and they ended up in Florida, in Seminole County, so I thought that was a great story, so while we do matters, permitting matters, doing it well, and efficiently matters, and then I'll switch to the chairman's report.

2656
04:16:48,400 --> 04:16:54,520
I did get to welcome the Department of Children and Families Executive Leadership to the annex.

2657
04:16:54,920 --> 04:17:02,860
We were doing a show and tell day on the opioid prevention program that we have here and

2658
04:17:02,860 --> 04:17:07,800
folks were touring was a good opportunity really well done by our team.

2659
04:17:08,900 --> 04:17:14,300
There is on 9-1 overlook park improvement ribbon cutting that's happening.

2660
04:17:14,540 --> 04:17:14,860
Sorry.

2661
04:17:14,860 --> 04:17:16,460
on 9-4.

2662
04:17:16,720 --> 04:17:19,740
I'll be flying in from Chicago that morning, early.

2663
04:17:20,080 --> 04:17:26,020
On 9-4, I have the opportunity to do a final mile ceremony

2664
04:17:26,020 --> 04:17:32,740
at the Cape Canaveral Cemetery, which will take two deceased

2665
04:17:32,740 --> 04:17:35,960
veterans to the cemetery for final internment,

2666
04:17:36,200 --> 04:17:39,160
and there's no family on hand, so we'll be standing in.

2667
04:17:39,680 --> 04:17:40,220
And pretty much.

2668
04:17:40,820 --> 04:17:41,520
Yeah, awesome.

2669
04:17:41,960 --> 04:17:42,360
Very good.

2670
04:17:42,600 --> 04:17:43,380
Who else is going?

2671
04:17:43,800 --> 04:17:44,320
Is anybody else going?

2672
04:17:44,320 --> 04:17:44,920
Awesome.

2673
04:17:47,280 --> 04:17:52,220
We do have a 9-11. On 9-11, we have Leadership Seminole Governor today, and

2674
04:17:52,220 --> 04:17:57,240
Trisha has upset well. I believe we have an event that day as well to commemorate 9-11.

2675
04:17:58,320 --> 04:18:04,280
And my final comment is that the canvassing board tomorrow will wrap up the final meeting.

2676
04:18:04,560 --> 04:18:10,360
It will be the audit. Final results, as you all know, were transmitted. And we can put

2677
04:18:10,360 --> 04:18:14,060
a period at the end of the sentence for the first election being successfully

2678
04:18:14,060 --> 04:18:17,140
done by the new supervisor of elections office.

2679
04:18:17,680 --> 04:18:22,420
And even in the last session, there were more positive comments from the League of Women

2680
04:18:22,420 --> 04:18:26,820
voters who had somebody in the room every time during this cycle as well as the last cycle.

2681
04:18:28,160 --> 04:18:32,200
So, and I will say, I will be glad to be done with that, sure.

2682
04:18:33,800 --> 04:18:36,540
That concludes my Chairman's report.

2683
04:18:36,840 --> 04:18:38,420
Is there anything else for the good of the order?

2684
04:18:38,420 --> 04:18:43,160
here. Hearing nothing, I will adjourn the meeting.