1 00:00:05,350 --> 00:00:30,110 This is the advisory board meeting. We'll come to order. We get a roll call, please. Chair green. Here. Vice Chair Hesler. Member Garland. Here. Member Jarrett. Member Rio Pelig. Member Handaberg. Yes, here. Members I. Here. Member Mathoyer. 2 00:00:34,750 --> 00:00:37,070 We have quorum, correct. We did. 3 00:00:37,070 --> 00:00:42,730 We're going to proceed. So if you guys would pledge 4 00:00:45,700 --> 00:00:48,260 allegiance to the flag of the United 5 00:00:48,260 --> 00:00:55,680 States of America to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God, indivisible 6 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:57,900 with liberty and justice for all. 7 00:01:03,620 --> 00:01:06,340 Hopefully you guys have looked over the minutes for February 8 00:01:06,340 --> 00:01:08,780 and I'll entertain a motion to prove those minutes. 9 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:13,200 Here's a second. 10 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:14,780 All right. 11 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:15,600 A second. 12 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:16,320 Those favor? 13 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:17,320 Hi. 14 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:18,820 All right. 15 00:01:19,340 --> 00:01:19,960 Those opposed? 16 00:01:20,380 --> 00:01:23,530 We're going to move quickly through this. 17 00:01:23,910 --> 00:01:25,110 Sorry, I'm ready. 18 00:01:26,070 --> 00:01:31,210 So we have a petition for regulation of permanent residential lighting. 19 00:01:33,660 --> 00:01:35,560 Thank you, Chair. 20 00:01:36,220 --> 00:01:41,120 I'm going to hand this off to first let me introduce this really quickly. 21 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:48,660 This was a competition that happened at our last two meetings ago, so the first meeting in February. 22 00:01:49,500 --> 00:01:59,740 We have a resident come in with concerns about, I'm going to call it permanent residential lighting that's not permanent. 23 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:04,160 I think most of us are familiar with jelly lights, that type of lights. 24 00:02:05,260 --> 00:02:17,200 having an issue with her neighbor with turning the lights on, only on the backside going towards her house, having a flash at all nights at all times of the night. 25 00:02:17,780 --> 00:02:23,360 And the council decided to take this on its petition. Council member Myers is here to talk about it. 26 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:27,440 I believe he's also working with Council member Vanderbarte on this. He was only going to hand it off to that. 27 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:33,800 Okay, I'll just do that essentially the same introduction is as negative but the initiation 28 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:37,620 of the petition was through a resident that has informed the town council at our recent 29 00:02:37,620 --> 00:02:42,320 meeting about quality of life issues and malicious intent of lighting usage. 30 00:02:43,060 --> 00:02:49,480 Neighbor installation of lighting on the house affecting the resident and family and the 31 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:53,900 issue is inappropriate use of lights causing a nuisance situation. 32 00:02:53,900 --> 00:03:02,540 So the petition to review and modify code, if necessary, to prevent lighting or nuisance lighting. 33 00:03:02,780 --> 00:03:09,460 Now, the one thing is, is in our code presently, we have prohibited being blinking, flashing, 34 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:15,500 moving, revolving, flickering, changing intensity and chase lighting, except lighting for temporary 35 00:03:15,500 --> 00:03:19,700 seasonal displays, public safety are required for air traffic safety. 36 00:03:19,700 --> 00:03:26,940 So you have that in place. We also have prohibit any lamp or bowl except seasonal displays 37 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:33,480 in landscape ornament lighting, which is visible beyond a property line on which it's located. 38 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:40,460 So the question here would be should we prohibit light pollution, etc., for seasonal displays 39 00:03:40,460 --> 00:03:45,900 and landscape ornamental lighting? That's going to be one of the first questions that I would 40 00:03:45,900 --> 00:03:52,800 like to get some input on and just I'll just continue through this and so you can discuss it 41 00:03:53,340 --> 00:03:58,860 after my thoughts are put after on the table. So the resident and community concerns 42 00:03:58,860 --> 00:04:05,060 with increased shoots of accent lighting in residential. Recently, if you look in any community, 43 00:04:05,060 --> 00:04:12,640 you'll see that people are putting up these permanent lighting as an architectural type of thing 44 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:14,520 and they're pretty much permanent. 45 00:04:14,820 --> 00:04:16,640 Now, we can talk about what permanent is 46 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:19,680 and what it isn't, but that's something else 47 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:23,200 you might want to talk about when you guys discuss it. 48 00:04:23,860 --> 00:04:27,040 Some issues relating to what we have to consider 49 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:30,420 is timing, light pollution, light trespass, 50 00:04:30,740 --> 00:04:33,540 glare intensity, color, and light movement. 51 00:04:33,840 --> 00:04:36,180 So that's the trail and lights and stuff like that. 52 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:39,060 Consideration for rights of residents 53 00:04:39,060 --> 00:04:44,400 the celebrate holidays, whether they're religious or national, something you have to put in the 54 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:46,200 consideration here also, I believe. 55 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:54,300 So do we develop waiver criteria and also as we look at this 56 00:04:54,300 --> 00:05:00,660 and we look at our code, do we want to develop criteria for residential versus non-residential? 57 00:05:09,260 --> 00:05:18,940 So I don't, you know, we did have a chance to look at the videos of the person that had the issue. 58 00:05:19,660 --> 00:05:23,980 And for the incentives to me this week, I had a look at them also. 59 00:05:24,340 --> 00:05:30,460 And it is fairly obvious that the lighting was put up there maliciously. 60 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:35,600 I mean, they had issues beforehand and then this was the second issue that they ended up having. 61 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:42,220 So it looks as though they're having a neighborhood neighbor conflict so and but but the thing is he went over one time 62 00:05:42,220 --> 00:05:46,180 Try to talk to them and after that. It's hard to do it once they 63 00:05:46,180 --> 00:05:52,080 Once they elevate it. It's hard for somebody else to go back to that home and try to rectify the situation 64 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:53,920 He did try one time. That's at room 65 00:05:54,620 --> 00:05:59,240 Most people would just call the police or do something else. Well, it's just to get back at them 66 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:01,940 So he did try to resolve the issue from what I understand 67 00:06:01,940 --> 00:06:12,500 Yes. So is that is that the lighting? Are we talking about in this particular case what's kind of instituted or initiated is the lighting that's around the. 68 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:21,520 around the eaves and the downsides. Essentially, yeah, the eaves that were new from the light 69 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:22,600 and they were not from the light. 70 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:24,880 You give the tinnitus. 71 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:32,420 But the problem was that it was flashing, it was moving, it was doing all kinds of different 72 00:06:32,420 --> 00:06:34,540 things, changing all the color lights. 73 00:06:34,900 --> 00:06:39,240 I don't know what the intensities are, but the thing is, do we define things? 74 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:45,160 If you looked at the code, I don't know if you had a chance to look at the code itself, 75 00:06:45,380 --> 00:06:52,880 but it does have a lot of criteria as far as the criteria we're looking at being the 76 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:58,020 light trespass, the glare, the intensity, color. 77 00:06:58,140 --> 00:07:03,640 It's all in there as far as what the requirements are for different zones within the town. 78 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:07,460 Okay, now the thing is when we're talking about zones, we're talking about 79 00:07:08,380 --> 00:07:15,460 Like the town core versus rural versus residential and it's all kind of put it in there together now 80 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:20,960 Over in in our downtown here. We have 81 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:27,240 Essentially town core. We have a lot of residential and we do have some businesses there 82 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:33,500 Now that's where do we separate out the residential from the businesses because a lot of times 83 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:36,680 This lighting is based off of lighting signs 84 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,540 or doing something like that that involves 85 00:07:39,540 --> 00:07:40,700 a business itself. 86 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:44,840 So homes, most like I wouldn't have that. 87 00:07:45,100 --> 00:07:46,720 They would have flags that you can 88 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:47,800 find a light up on. 89 00:07:48,060 --> 00:07:50,620 I mean, which is should let's shine a light up on. 90 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:56,000 But otherwise, they're under the same criteria 91 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:59,060 as the commercial and retail people. 92 00:07:59,060 --> 00:08:09,320 Okay, so I'm going to pass along to Brittany for her thoughts on this and then I think Nick had a once your thoughts that he wanted to go here covered. 93 00:08:12,180 --> 00:08:15,500 So I have a little bit of a different viewpoint on this. 94 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:21,340 I think that we have to really consider how big we want government to be. 95 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:26,680 Right. How many ordinances do we need to pass because the neighbors not getting along with the neighbor. 96 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:32,700 I think it starts to get to a point where it just becomes so cumbersome and we become 97 00:08:32,700 --> 00:08:35,460 everybody's parents, and that's not what the talent is here to do, right? 98 00:08:36,100 --> 00:08:44,460 So we have looked at the other day what like our role or what the definition for harassment 99 00:08:44,460 --> 00:08:51,180 is, and it's very much about somebody talking to somebody, how they're talking to somebody 100 00:08:51,180 --> 00:08:57,900 calling too much. There's not anything in there that says anything about lighting or anything else. 101 00:08:58,260 --> 00:09:02,140 But on the same note, how could you ever write enough definitions for harassment to have or 102 00:09:02,140 --> 00:09:08,260 everything that would be harassment, right? So we had talked a little bit about maybe rewriting 103 00:09:08,260 --> 00:09:14,720 that piece and allowing council to be able to deem what would be considered harassment. 104 00:09:15,500 --> 00:09:20,340 So that our law enforcement could go help take care of this instead of setting an ordinance. 105 00:09:20,340 --> 00:09:27,300 The problem with these lights is, they're considered not permanent lighting because of how they're installed and how they're wired in. 106 00:09:28,020 --> 00:09:31,840 Everybody has a holiday. We can't dictate when they can and can't use it. 107 00:09:32,460 --> 00:09:37,200 It's really hard to set an ordinance around how these lights could be used. 108 00:09:37,420 --> 00:09:47,140 So the other thought process on it is to rewrite what we have so that we could consider things harassment voted on by the town council 109 00:09:47,140 --> 00:09:50,520 so that our law enforcement could start to get involved because it's not just lights. 110 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:56,380 I think we had talked with the other day maybe somebody is flying a drone across your backyard 24 111 00:09:56,380 --> 00:10:00,740 you know just all the time when you're out at night that could be considered harassment at some point. 112 00:10:00,900 --> 00:10:06,280 So there's kind of two different clock processes on how is a town we start to handle situations 113 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:07,200 like this. 114 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:15,820 I just add to that too as a matter of we do have something in place already that says 115 00:10:15,820 --> 00:10:17,840 of blinking, plashing, moving, et cetera. 116 00:10:18,300 --> 00:10:20,720 And that is the situation that we're dealing with here. 117 00:10:21,340 --> 00:10:22,100 Do you have a comment on it? 118 00:10:22,380 --> 00:10:23,520 Yeah, the one thing I was gonna, 119 00:10:23,900 --> 00:10:25,760 I put in the pack at the exemptions. 120 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:29,120 So the multiple things that are exempted right now, 121 00:10:29,300 --> 00:10:30,080 you know, are... 122 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:31,480 Or an interliting, low voltage, 123 00:10:31,740 --> 00:10:32,300 12 volt lighting. 124 00:10:32,500 --> 00:10:33,600 And that's what a lot of those are. 125 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,160 They have a driver that's in, that knocks them down. 126 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:38,300 They're also technically a string of things. 127 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:38,620 Yes. 128 00:10:39,100 --> 00:10:41,540 So it's also, it's an example that way. 129 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:43,740 And then you could get away if they are putting 130 00:10:43,740 --> 00:10:48,860 different colors for different holidays. And that's been an issue where we're dealing with 131 00:10:48,860 --> 00:10:53,480 even in our Metro is that they're afraid to enforce these things because they're afraid to be 132 00:10:53,480 --> 00:11:01,100 sued because of people's right to express themselves. So it is an issue. Now the question is if they 133 00:11:01,100 --> 00:11:06,820 do not, if they don't abide by some of these things like some of flashing, stopping, blinking, 134 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:10,560 and moving. Technically, it won't matter if it's underneath the exemptions. It's the way 135 00:11:10,560 --> 00:11:16,740 Yeah, right. Yeah, the way if the exemptions say as is and 16 16 70 right none of the other stuff matters 136 00:11:16,740 --> 00:11:22,920 Whether we can we can move that over into this is not exempt and you know not a lot to have those 137 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:30,420 Um, and the thing is my question is is how do we go about enforcing something like this if we were to find somebody that's 138 00:11:30,420 --> 00:11:31,520 violating our code 139 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:33,700 Say where we do anything elsewhere 140 00:11:34,380 --> 00:11:37,460 It's a lot harder to to do anything under chapter 141 00:11:37,460 --> 00:11:41,580 through six. I do kind of like the way that Council member 142 00:11:41,580 --> 00:11:43,660 Vandermark is going. If we ended up putting something under 143 00:11:43,660 --> 00:11:50,060 harassment or nuisance or nuisance and took some of this along 144 00:11:50,060 --> 00:11:52,800 with what was in there and put it into there, then it would be 145 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:57,320 enforceable by police. It would be easier. Okay. 16 is only 146 00:11:57,320 --> 00:11:59,540 code enforcement. Okay. So you're not going to have code 147 00:11:59,540 --> 00:12:01,580 enforcement at night. Right. You're not going to have more 148 00:12:01,580 --> 00:12:04,100 weekends. Right. Whereas if you did get something into 149 00:12:04,100 --> 00:12:08,300 and nuisance, and nuisance, and I think Russia is usually 150 00:12:08,300 --> 00:12:11,220 being at least, because the bullsroom could be police. 151 00:12:12,020 --> 00:12:14,540 If they're moved under a nuisance harassment, 152 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:19,680 how much with long horsemen have to prove 153 00:12:19,680 --> 00:12:23,320 for lack of a phrase intent, like how, what would that be? 154 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:27,660 So if you saw the videos that I had sent to Dan 155 00:12:27,660 --> 00:12:30,700 that these people brought in, even with their curtain shut, 156 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:33,100 their living room looks like a disco home. 157 00:12:33,100 --> 00:12:41,000 And it's just on the back side that they have the light on because with these lights you can set zones to turn on in certain times. 158 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:47,920 So you can pick what pieces of your house you want to run and they have the back area that's shining against their house on. 159 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:55,700 So, you know, it does get into a point where you have to prove it, but I think when they've 160 00:12:55,700 --> 00:13:00,500 come far enough that they come to council, they have videos, they have, it really shows 161 00:13:00,500 --> 00:13:06,400 that they're having an issue with, you know, just their state of being and being able to 162 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:09,140 relax, you know, once the sun goes down in their own home. 163 00:13:14,140 --> 00:13:20,480 So this is kind of simple, this is hidden valley farms we're talking about. 164 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:26,360 Any lights like that that are put on the perimeter that are, it's all violating the design 165 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:28,100 guidelines for the architecture. 166 00:13:28,820 --> 00:13:33,380 So quite off the bat, you know, the size of the light trespassed, the size of the measurement 167 00:13:33,380 --> 00:13:37,040 of lumens that are coming into the neighboring house, it doesn't meet the design guidelines. 168 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:41,780 And so, if they're leaving them up permanently, if they're trying to say that there's a seasonal 169 00:13:41,780 --> 00:13:46,060 lights, they have to come down 30 days after the holiday, but you can't have perimeter lights 170 00:13:46,060 --> 00:13:50,700 going down the edges like you're talking about an easement for the design guidelines for 171 00:13:50,700 --> 00:13:56,280 the architecture design requirements. So, I can take care of this. I just need the contact 172 00:13:56,280 --> 00:14:02,500 information. Which is sort of a bad number for midnight farms. I've never heard this case. 173 00:14:02,500 --> 00:14:09,120 I get all of the violation reports, so I don't believe that they went through our current managing. 174 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:18,440 Those are my next questions. You're like an HOA or a measure of districts, but I think after Rick and I were discussing that through the previous property management. 175 00:14:18,680 --> 00:14:22,280 And so I can I can take care of this tomorrow without a problem. 176 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:31,100 And because one will end up happening is if they remain in violation, you know, after after a period of a few weeks or something, it goes into fines. 177 00:14:31,100 --> 00:14:43,840 And then what we're doing now, we've had people that have yard issues, you know, and stuff and so it just goes against their property taxes. We're not, you know, it's, it gets pretty heavy, pretty quick. 178 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:44,220 Yeah. 179 00:14:44,660 --> 00:14:55,460 I have a question with your each week. I'd like, they just shut them off after that 30 days, but didn't take them down, but didn't use them till your set holiday season, would they still be okay to have? 180 00:14:55,460 --> 00:14:57,320 Because it's very much to the side of the world. 181 00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:59,340 Getting them up and down really ruins them. 182 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:25,980 So I just wondered if they turned them off as in, because you can't, when they're off, you can't really see them, because they're under the e. You know, that would be for a design review council decision to go see what they are. You know, just I just was curious. Right. Just in that line of questioning. So if, if someone wanted to add those semi-permanent, we'll call road lighting that is not seen, they would just have to go through the design request. 183 00:15:25,980 --> 00:15:26,080 Yes. 184 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:27,900 It's a design review council. 185 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,880 You would turn in documentation that shows what you're doing and how you're doing it. 186 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:34,980 And it would be compared against the design guidelines for the community. 187 00:15:35,220 --> 00:15:38,080 And in this case, there's no way that we'd match the design guidelines. 188 00:15:38,220 --> 00:15:38,820 You can't do that. 189 00:15:39,220 --> 00:15:40,120 You can't operate. 190 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:40,980 You can't operate. 191 00:15:41,100 --> 00:15:45,280 Well, yeah, there's all kinds of, we have all kinds of new situals. 192 00:15:45,500 --> 00:15:49,560 I mean, if someone, if it's shining in their light, in their window, I mean, what you 193 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:52,740 do is take a simple video of that and send it in, so violation, it's an issue. 194 00:15:52,740 --> 00:15:58,120 And, you know, so going down the path, that's what Metro districts, you know, natureways are 195 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:04,100 therefore, it's protect quality life of the residents. In my opinion, listening to this whole 196 00:16:04,100 --> 00:16:12,700 conversation, I think before the town would amend what I think are probably very adequate, you know, 197 00:16:12,780 --> 00:16:19,340 nuisance and harassment codes, you should go down the path with the Metro district. Because again, 198 00:16:19,340 --> 00:16:26,380 And everything, all contracts, all violation notifications, everything goes across my desk 199 00:16:26,380 --> 00:16:27,380 and I have not seen it. 200 00:16:28,820 --> 00:16:30,260 So that's the first step. 201 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:31,960 That would be ideal. 202 00:16:32,700 --> 00:16:37,720 That's for hidden belly farms, do you know what if it happens and they were doing a case 203 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:38,280 by case. 204 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:45,100 In the end, I mean we probably want to look at the whole town even as far as retail and commercial 205 00:16:45,100 --> 00:16:53,780 as far as as residential so that we can get our our lighting code up to speed. If there's anything else we need to look at too. 206 00:16:54,100 --> 00:17:03,200 The lighting code that I've read is, you know, you can have 3000 lumens within 20 feet of a property line. That's really bright. 207 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:12,100 That's street light level. And you know, which you consider light trespass. Sure. If you look out your kitchen window, you can see this giant light there. 208 00:17:12,100 --> 00:17:15,100 but if it's not necessarily transferring best offense line, 209 00:17:15,100 --> 00:17:16,580 it could still be considered nuisance. 210 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:19,960 I mean, we do have dark sky rules. 211 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:23,060 So it shouldn't be clear to see the glare. 212 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:25,300 If people are following the dark sky rules. 213 00:17:25,620 --> 00:17:28,840 Yes, and no, because dark sky rules is only for new bill. 214 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:29,840 Right. 215 00:17:30,460 --> 00:17:34,580 And that's the thing, too, is that we can't go back to developments 216 00:17:34,580 --> 00:17:37,480 and old development plans and try to revise those. 217 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:39,320 You've got to look forward from here. 218 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:45,280 Right. But the thing is a Metro does have the ability to do that. And that, and it gave me a 219 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:52,300 head nod that you guys have first bids that resolving the issue. And then the town will jump 220 00:17:52,300 --> 00:17:57,560 in if they need it. Metro districts can always be more strict. Okay. Okay. Yeah, they do. 221 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:03,360 So that kind of could resolve this issue for these folks. Yeah. We still want to make sure that we 222 00:18:03,360 --> 00:18:09,520 a little fight as code I think. I agree we probably don't want that much government 223 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:15,580 oversight as to what type of lights we can have outside of the metro type stuff. So 224 00:18:15,580 --> 00:18:20,720 nuisance and harassment if we needed a resolution would be a better place for me anyway. 225 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:35,100 I think the way it looks at it now is you know maybe it's worth bringing back to council writing 226 00:18:35,620 --> 00:18:39,920 something in our harassment or a nuisance that gives the council the right to 227 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:43,860 dictate that but it really sounds like a lot of these things need to be handled 228 00:18:43,860 --> 00:18:48,780 by a metro or an H.O.A. where there is one that has the roles the problem is 229 00:18:48,780 --> 00:18:54,360 when there isn't one that can step in right like our H.O.A. roles are very 230 00:18:55,640 --> 00:19:00,380 sold they started like 20 years ago when I was built and so it's not up to 231 00:19:00,380 --> 00:19:05,460 date with anything, and we wouldn't have a link to stand on, you know, so. 232 00:19:06,020 --> 00:19:11,960 So Rick, do you have a group of residents that are actually on your design committee? 233 00:19:12,260 --> 00:19:13,080 Yes, you know, okay. 234 00:19:13,300 --> 00:19:17,460 All right, so it's actual residents because over in tail hole, we just have a management company 235 00:19:17,460 --> 00:19:23,140 actually doing it, and I'm trying to get that into two residents of board members that are on our design review. 236 00:19:23,420 --> 00:19:27,840 I mean, you do want management in there too to be able to help these people 237 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:32,120 long as before telling what the codes are that you guys have in place too. 238 00:19:32,420 --> 00:19:37,240 Right. One of the other members is our attorney, so they think it just stop us remember we need 239 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:41,260 right? Right okay then. That's it. Yeah. Well it's sort of simplified. I'm 240 00:19:41,260 --> 00:19:46,510 streamline it. It really does. All right. All right. I think okay then. All right. 241 00:19:46,810 --> 00:19:50,530 What do you guys think about writing something into like the harassment or nuisance 242 00:19:50,530 --> 00:19:57,550 to allow town council to help step in if it was needed or warranted for those communities? 243 00:19:57,550 --> 00:20:00,990 Yeah, for the communities don't have like an H way or a metro. 244 00:20:02,810 --> 00:20:06,850 Have we seen, I haven't seen those. Is there anything do we have those? 245 00:20:07,130 --> 00:20:11,910 Yeah, so downtown, no, but I mean, what's actually written on right now? 246 00:20:11,910 --> 00:20:13,970 No, no, this is not bringing me in first. 247 00:20:14,230 --> 00:20:17,310 Oh, you mean like what's in our actual code for a nuisance? 248 00:20:17,710 --> 00:20:24,150 No, I'm saying I'm saying I haven't seen what the actual code is so to add things. 249 00:20:24,150 --> 00:20:32,110 So our actual code is for harassment and nuisance, really has to do with speaking and communication 250 00:20:32,110 --> 00:20:32,770 email. 251 00:20:33,310 --> 00:20:40,390 Shops, kicks, obscene language, obscene gestures, following somebody directly or indirectly 252 00:20:40,390 --> 00:20:46,650 initiating communication or directing language by telephone, telephone network, data network, 253 00:20:46,870 --> 00:20:52,270 text message, instant message, computer, makes telephone calls causing the telephone to 254 00:20:52,270 --> 00:20:57,730 repeatedly makes repeated communications at inconvenient hours, repeatedly 255 00:20:57,730 --> 00:21:03,410 tons challenges or communicates in a offensive language. It's really all about 256 00:21:03,410 --> 00:21:06,790 communication is all it is. But why does it form a communication? 257 00:21:07,090 --> 00:21:11,970 I can say tons, that's repeated tons. That felt like the way that you described 258 00:21:11,970 --> 00:21:16,230 those. Is that state law, is that city or that city or city ordinance? 259 00:21:17,030 --> 00:21:18,950 So it's me like here you have it right there. 260 00:21:18,950 --> 00:21:24,230 So Nick, would we have legal get involved in writing up an additional part of the harassment 261 00:21:24,230 --> 00:21:24,750 kind of? 262 00:21:24,930 --> 00:21:25,010 Yeah. 263 00:21:25,130 --> 00:21:26,450 Because it would need to be a little bit more. 264 00:21:26,690 --> 00:21:29,730 The taunt doesn't cover what our police force feels. 265 00:21:29,770 --> 00:21:34,650 No, because it says repeatedly insults taunt's challenges or makes communication and it's 266 00:21:34,650 --> 00:21:40,050 all about communication and light, I mean, really, it's not going to be considered communication 267 00:21:40,050 --> 00:21:41,410 in the legal realm. 268 00:21:41,630 --> 00:21:42,290 We just have to talk. 269 00:21:42,370 --> 00:21:45,050 They're not using Morris code to tell them to hate him. 270 00:21:45,290 --> 00:21:45,470 Right. 271 00:21:45,990 --> 00:21:46,130 Right. 272 00:21:46,130 --> 00:21:55,090 I mean I would need a definition in the code and then a definition of what Todd is and then they 273 00:21:55,090 --> 00:21:59,730 could use it. So there's two ways I could redefinite Todd or we could put something about using 274 00:21:59,730 --> 00:22:04,670 white and Todd and definitely then they can go and actually do something about it as a police force. 275 00:22:04,770 --> 00:22:09,790 That's not a bad question. There's law enforcement waiting on this at all. Yeah. I've taught 276 00:22:09,790 --> 00:22:14,650 him. There's nothing they can do at this point because we don't have definitions and because technically 277 00:22:14,650 --> 00:22:20,510 it falls underneath string lights because they're temporary and seasonal. So without changing 278 00:22:20,510 --> 00:22:26,710 either the light code to address the seasonal temporary or to go, which is something that 279 00:22:26,710 --> 00:22:30,690 Brandy just brought up, which I haven't talked to them about, except for Todd's, because I did 280 00:22:30,690 --> 00:22:37,430 today. We have to do harassment or nuisance, which I haven't talked about nuisance. Did this give 281 00:22:37,430 --> 00:22:43,830 cheap and law enforcement some legs to stand on and if we wrote something that went into harassment? 282 00:22:44,650 --> 00:22:45,590 I don't know if it would go nuisance. 283 00:22:45,770 --> 00:22:46,930 I need to talk to them about nuisance. 284 00:22:47,150 --> 00:22:48,130 I'll talk about the research. 285 00:22:49,070 --> 00:22:50,230 It follows the nuisance. 286 00:22:50,610 --> 00:22:51,090 That's true. 287 00:22:51,250 --> 00:22:53,190 But you have to have two complaints. 288 00:22:54,690 --> 00:22:56,170 Yeah, that's the way the dogs work right now. 289 00:22:56,350 --> 00:22:57,050 Yeah, it's how that pays. 290 00:22:57,350 --> 00:22:57,790 Can we have? 291 00:22:58,070 --> 00:22:58,670 Can we see the video? 292 00:22:59,570 --> 00:23:00,450 Can we have a view of mine? 293 00:23:02,650 --> 00:23:05,010 This sounds more, I mean, this other than 294 00:23:05,010 --> 00:23:07,050 out of compliance with design guidelines, 295 00:23:07,690 --> 00:23:09,890 this sounds like a neighborhood spat on. 296 00:23:10,010 --> 00:23:11,070 Yeah, it sounds like a nuisance. 297 00:23:11,710 --> 00:23:12,650 That's exactly what kind of words. 298 00:23:14,650 --> 00:23:20,830 If you do window K and is there, do you know, is there any history between these two neighbors? 299 00:23:21,550 --> 00:23:23,610 I have the suspicion of who it is. 300 00:23:23,690 --> 00:23:24,510 I think it's on my street. 301 00:23:24,910 --> 00:23:26,590 Actually, do you live in Hayden Valley times? 302 00:23:26,910 --> 00:23:30,290 Yeah, four, four scan it. 303 00:23:31,050 --> 00:23:33,030 Okay, so you're filing six. 304 00:23:33,690 --> 00:23:34,570 That's why I'm at six. 305 00:23:34,710 --> 00:23:40,690 I always say four and I, every time being six, you're new, 18 months or so. 306 00:23:45,910 --> 00:23:52,950 So here's just an example of one of them. She sent me quite a few of what their kitchen looks like at night from all of it. 307 00:23:54,990 --> 00:23:56,870 Yeah, and it's just running and tracing. 308 00:23:57,330 --> 00:23:57,570 That's different. 309 00:23:57,750 --> 00:23:59,330 I just have been wanting to amount for security. 310 00:23:59,650 --> 00:24:00,590 Yeah, this is secured. 311 00:24:00,810 --> 00:24:03,490 No, it's so it's totally like this. 312 00:24:03,630 --> 00:24:06,270 What it is and they put them into a pattern and it's going in like this. 313 00:24:06,530 --> 00:24:08,890 So is anybody outside at that time? 314 00:24:08,950 --> 00:24:09,570 Are they having a party? 315 00:24:11,490 --> 00:24:37,250 Yeah, so it's just every night. Yeah. Really? Yeah, it's just weird. Well, there's some backstory that it started with speakers and people asking them to turn down the noise and that of set them. And this is a neighborhood complex is what it really turns into, right? 316 00:24:37,250 --> 00:24:40,050 which feels more harassment, nuisance, or right? 317 00:24:40,190 --> 00:24:43,570 That's exactly the type of stuff that we need to change the white code. 318 00:24:43,670 --> 00:24:47,950 I think it's a little overboard to change our new lighting codes 319 00:24:47,950 --> 00:24:52,030 because really if you look at the lighting code for any new developments going in, 320 00:24:52,330 --> 00:24:53,870 it's going to be a great code. 321 00:24:54,130 --> 00:24:56,890 It just doesn't cover anything from before. 322 00:24:57,190 --> 00:25:01,250 And if we get rid of stringer lights, that means if you have the lights on your patio 323 00:25:01,250 --> 00:25:04,490 that have the big lamps or the big light bulbs and those have to go too. 324 00:25:04,550 --> 00:25:05,710 Those are stringer light strings. 325 00:25:05,710 --> 00:25:13,430 And so it's it's it's a very good lighting is such a great weird area that it's really easy to overstep 326 00:25:14,030 --> 00:25:22,710 So it's it's more of what can we do to help citizens handle these when an inch away or metro just it can't step in and help, you know 327 00:25:23,370 --> 00:25:23,970 so 328 00:25:24,730 --> 00:25:35,090 I trust our city council to discuss this and and come up with a good resolution to amend it was the easiest option to amend that or a brand new 329 00:25:35,710 --> 00:25:40,630 you would add probably to the nuisance and or harassment. I'd leave it up to legal 330 00:25:41,310 --> 00:25:44,650 if these two would like me to all reach out to legal. But that's why I was going to say a 331 00:25:44,650 --> 00:25:46,570 thing and reach out. And additional clarification. 332 00:25:49,350 --> 00:25:54,790 I was going through all this scenario's last night of anything that could be a nuisance 333 00:25:54,790 --> 00:25:59,770 or harassment. I was like your neighbor could have a sprinkler that sprays over the fence and every 334 00:25:59,770 --> 00:26:05,110 time you go outside they turn it on. There's so many things that could be considered that. 335 00:26:05,110 --> 00:26:12,970 It's so hard to pinpoint everyone. I think we do need a broader definition just so that we can help if it comes up, you know. 336 00:26:13,570 --> 00:26:19,890 And this is for residential things as opposed to vehicle or moving violations. 337 00:26:20,230 --> 00:26:22,550 Yeah, that's it. That's the entirely different set of. 338 00:26:22,570 --> 00:26:22,730 Yeah. 339 00:26:22,970 --> 00:26:23,650 That's a different code. 340 00:26:23,790 --> 00:26:25,350 Is it happening down filing six? 341 00:26:26,950 --> 00:26:31,850 Well, the only reason I have really any interest in the light code is because a neighbor brought it up to me. 342 00:26:31,850 --> 00:26:36,050 this past weekend when it was nice. And the story sounded very similar to this story. 343 00:26:36,250 --> 00:26:41,530 Interesting. Except he wasn't the victim. But it wasn't as he didn't portray it as aggressively. 344 00:26:41,590 --> 00:26:45,590 It was the video showed. But I genuinely have no real idea. 345 00:26:46,470 --> 00:26:48,690 You don't have to take thousands for a record. Back yard. 346 00:26:52,130 --> 00:26:55,150 Okay, you'll be able to take care of this so we get you the address. 347 00:26:55,310 --> 00:26:57,470 Oh yeah, first thing in the morning, I'll get a hold of Doug Campbell. 348 00:26:58,470 --> 00:27:04,490 I have a number and her name, I can send this email to you. 349 00:27:04,490 --> 00:27:07,590 Okay, I feel sorry. I mean, I can see it. 350 00:27:07,590 --> 00:27:07,870 I don't care. 351 00:27:08,250 --> 00:27:08,750 You can see it. 352 00:27:09,190 --> 00:27:11,270 I still have my, I need to help. 353 00:27:11,450 --> 00:27:13,290 It looks like there's something Gmail working 354 00:27:13,290 --> 00:27:16,310 because security on my phone for the company. 355 00:27:16,870 --> 00:27:17,930 I do authentication. 356 00:27:18,290 --> 00:27:18,850 It still doesn't work. 357 00:27:19,050 --> 00:27:21,190 So I sent you my last email from my company. 358 00:27:21,610 --> 00:27:21,830 Gotcha. 359 00:27:22,370 --> 00:27:22,470 Okay. 360 00:27:24,110 --> 00:27:24,810 Let's do it again. 361 00:27:24,810 --> 00:27:31,710 them. Do we need a voter? I don't need a voter. I just want to thank you guys for your input. 362 00:27:31,970 --> 00:27:36,870 Thank you very much and we'll proceed with this and see if you work on it. I'm sure we'll 363 00:27:36,870 --> 00:27:46,170 be adding to the harassment code or newsroom to help law enforcement in macro sense. Yeah, so if 364 00:27:46,170 --> 00:27:51,150 we did it under news sense and harassment, they would be stepping in for some reason. Let's say 365 00:27:53,430 --> 00:27:55,670 We have to get through court. 366 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,280 We're ready to move on to the next one. 367 00:28:00,540 --> 00:28:01,780 Community grant request. 368 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:03,480 Deca. 369 00:28:05,700 --> 00:28:06,740 Thank you. 370 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:10,640 All right. 371 00:28:10,940 --> 00:28:11,200 Thank you. 372 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,640 So the next three items are community grant requests from all 373 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:15,360 from the summer title. 374 00:28:15,940 --> 00:28:17,320 This first one. 375 00:28:17,460 --> 00:28:20,440 So item number two is from Deca. 376 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,880 Thank you. 377 00:28:25,420 --> 00:28:28,860 Deca is the champions within the business department. 378 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:33,340 They are requesting for a $2,000 grant from the town. 379 00:28:33,980 --> 00:28:36,060 This is the first time I believe Deca was reached out. 380 00:28:36,180 --> 00:28:39,100 It was eco, I believe, the reached out last time. 381 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,900 I am familiar with both of the groups. 382 00:28:43,020 --> 00:28:45,980 If you have any questions, I sit on both of their groups at the high schools 383 00:28:45,980 --> 00:28:47,180 in the business department. 384 00:28:48,940 --> 00:28:54,020 They just happen to be the first two that reached out for the $2,000 grant request that we have. 385 00:28:54,600 --> 00:29:02,740 So if you look at the breakdown, we have $2,000,000 ones and then technically $4,000, $1,500 ones. 386 00:29:03,420 --> 00:29:04,060 I did that right. 387 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,900 Yes, I did that right. $10,000 total. 388 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:11,260 We've already approved $1,000, $15,000 one this year. 389 00:29:11,260 --> 00:29:13,340 back in the 1500. Thank you. 390 00:29:13,460 --> 00:29:13,700 Not 50. 391 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,380 Yeah, we are talking about down talking about that. 392 00:29:16,380 --> 00:29:17,840 Yeah, I was talking about that last. 393 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:26,080 And so you've approved the 1500 dollar one for the after-prone. 394 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:32,780 And so there is the availability if the cab would like to approve these two tonight as well. 395 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,200 I've just got a couple of procedural questions, probably more than you think. 396 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:43,780 Is this are these a rolling grant or is there a grant deadline and then we have to decide or haven't set rolling grants for 397 00:29:43,780 --> 00:29:50,380 Some very certain it's the way that the council set them up total of 10,000 with the total of six different types of grants 398 00:29:50,380 --> 00:29:53,120 Okay, and they can either be for school or nonprofit 399 00:29:54,420 --> 00:29:57,860 We have had a couple of nonprofits in the past sometimes we have 400 00:30:03,100 --> 00:30:30,040 There's a press councilor organization that sometimes applies. It's like every other year, two years, and then the historical society, if you remember, applies, and we had remaining money last year that they were able to get. Typically, it's always, excuse me, the schools. So this is within the parameters of how it usually goes in terms of rolling. Everybody tries to do it in the beginning of the year just so they can get funding. And it actually works out well because most of these groups that you see might as well have to prom, which is 401 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:34,560 we know later in the year, all of their national stuff happens in that large 402 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:39,040 capable framework still right about now. It's rolling our fiscal year, right, 403 00:30:39,420 --> 00:30:44,300 versus will year, 10,000 every year. He can only exhaust all the funds and we have 404 00:30:44,300 --> 00:30:51,760 yet to do that. Yeah, we're set up this year. I mean, so if the cab approves the 405 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:55,760 $2,000 request and we'll talk about the other one, if we gave that one 406 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:59,120 $1,500, that would be the most we've ever exhausted because there would only be 407 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:03,780 3,000 left to grants. Typically we're around the 5,000 to 6,000. 408 00:31:07,890 --> 00:31:12,430 There's certainly no reason not to improve this. Yeah, that's what what is the the 409 00:31:12,430 --> 00:31:20,090 town's perspective on granting to these organizations? So you guys like hey 410 00:31:20,090 --> 00:31:24,530 this is it. Do you feel that it's a really good thing to to give to? Because you guys 411 00:31:24,530 --> 00:31:29,270 know a lot more than asking me or asking the town because I can't speak to the 412 00:31:29,270 --> 00:31:33,250 council, but I am the one that brought the community grant process to the council because 413 00:31:33,250 --> 00:31:39,590 I believe there was a big thing for the school. I mean, I brought it when the school was 414 00:31:39,590 --> 00:31:43,990 built because we all know what a high school brings to the community and we all know that 415 00:31:43,990 --> 00:31:47,470 there's not enough funds out there for these kids to be able to go to the national and that's 416 00:31:47,470 --> 00:31:52,890 the way that I have pitched it to the council for these unique opportunities that otherwise 417 00:31:52,890 --> 00:31:58,390 these kids will have. That's to speak for the first two deck and key club. We'll talk more 418 00:31:58,390 --> 00:32:07,050 about the arts and the FFA. We have FFA. So FFA doesn't come out of this. FFA comes out of their 419 00:32:07,050 --> 00:32:11,090 discretionary fund. That's something that I've been involved with since I've been with this town 420 00:32:11,090 --> 00:32:16,950 for 11 years and we used to be involved with the Windsor one and then we became our own school. 421 00:32:17,370 --> 00:32:23,230 We're involved with that through where there's silent auction. We go actually there and they have 422 00:32:23,230 --> 00:32:29,850 their work hand auction that we're a part of. And so that every year, you know, they've given 423 00:32:29,850 --> 00:32:35,130 $5,000. One year where they've given $2,500. That's separate from the council and they 424 00:32:35,130 --> 00:32:40,230 sent you that the mayor and I go there and do that. So we we help them on that side and then 425 00:32:40,230 --> 00:32:47,090 the rest will come through. Okay. What is town councils? I'm super biased. I have children who attend 426 00:32:47,090 --> 00:32:50,890 and all of these schools, but I can say 427 00:32:50,890 --> 00:32:53,150 that all of these programs are really important 428 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,010 and there is not a lot of business opportunity 429 00:32:56,010 --> 00:32:58,530 for support for the programs out of the high school, 430 00:32:58,570 --> 00:33:01,790 so I feel if we can lend a hand, we should. 431 00:33:02,430 --> 00:33:04,350 You know, it's, they preach getting involved 432 00:33:04,350 --> 00:33:07,990 if I just went to my last eighth grade transition 433 00:33:07,990 --> 00:33:11,750 last week and the high school is very big 434 00:33:11,750 --> 00:33:14,190 on becoming involved in joining clubs 435 00:33:14,190 --> 00:33:23,730 and becoming, you know, a member of the high school instead of just going to school and so I think if we can help support some of the clubs that ask, I think it's important. 436 00:33:24,690 --> 00:33:26,750 And this 2000 doesn't even cover. 437 00:33:27,950 --> 00:33:28,130 Yeah. 438 00:33:28,530 --> 00:33:29,430 That was going to be by. 439 00:33:29,750 --> 00:33:30,470 It's very minimal. 440 00:33:30,630 --> 00:33:30,790 Yeah. 441 00:33:31,210 --> 00:33:38,410 Yeah, that's going to be my other question and I'm sorry I didn't see if they're found like the RE4 foundation as whom they've gone. 442 00:33:38,410 --> 00:33:41,530 And this one has a lot of fundraising together. 443 00:33:42,130 --> 00:33:45,450 They have this one so far as vertical rise, 444 00:33:45,630 --> 00:33:47,850 vertical rise in construction, 445 00:33:48,230 --> 00:33:50,130 individual contributions in Yark's eye. 446 00:33:50,390 --> 00:33:51,350 That's what they have so far. 447 00:33:52,970 --> 00:33:53,930 That's our last two. 448 00:33:54,550 --> 00:33:55,550 And that's what you've been doing. 449 00:33:57,290 --> 00:33:59,170 This is what it costs the same one first. 450 00:33:59,810 --> 00:34:01,030 You know, all ten of them? 451 00:34:01,370 --> 00:34:02,330 Yeah, all ten of them. 452 00:34:02,370 --> 00:34:02,790 That's what it costs. 453 00:34:03,090 --> 00:34:04,410 So two thousand more. 454 00:34:04,630 --> 00:34:06,070 And this is to their national conference. 455 00:34:06,070 --> 00:34:12,690 This one is national, this one's state, this one's state, this one's state, that's the 456 00:34:12,690 --> 00:34:13,310 broad world. 457 00:34:13,490 --> 00:34:14,330 That's the first problem. 458 00:34:16,130 --> 00:34:16,570 Sorry. 459 00:34:17,090 --> 00:34:17,630 There's a bunch. 460 00:34:17,630 --> 00:34:18,790 You'd replace us to have that. 461 00:34:21,010 --> 00:34:22,310 Hi, I am for it. 462 00:34:22,510 --> 00:34:25,390 I just wanted to hear you guys perspective on it as well. 463 00:34:26,030 --> 00:34:27,010 I'm for it. 464 00:34:27,050 --> 00:34:28,590 I don't know what the rest of you guys think. 465 00:34:29,070 --> 00:34:29,390 Oh, part. 466 00:34:29,830 --> 00:34:30,950 I recommend it. 467 00:34:33,740 --> 00:34:34,300 For both of that. 468 00:34:34,660 --> 00:34:35,100 Yes. 469 00:34:35,460 --> 00:34:36,800 Let's put them. 470 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:42,420 do them both together or do we need to do them? If you want to do the first two, you can say for 471 00:34:42,420 --> 00:34:52,240 Deca and Key Club. They have a motion to recommend these grants to City Council to Deca and the 472 00:34:52,240 --> 00:34:58,900 Key Club motion. They have a motion to have a second. Second. In that case, we'll include the 473 00:34:59,940 --> 00:35:09,020 $2,000 each, $2,000 to Deca and $2,000 to the key club. 474 00:35:09,780 --> 00:35:14,040 All right, we have a motion and a second motion. 475 00:35:16,500 --> 00:35:17,520 Put the vote. 476 00:35:17,660 --> 00:35:18,680 Do we need a vote for this? 477 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:19,440 Yeah. 478 00:35:20,240 --> 00:35:21,000 Okay. 479 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:21,660 Green. 480 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:22,300 Yes. 481 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:22,920 Ireland. 482 00:35:23,700 --> 00:35:24,460 Yes. 483 00:35:25,220 --> 00:35:26,460 Uh, Vandenberg. 484 00:35:26,900 --> 00:35:27,240 Yes. 485 00:35:27,240 --> 00:35:27,380 Yes. 486 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:28,080 Thank you. 487 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:28,220 Yep. 488 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:30,080 Motion passes. 489 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:37,860 Just tell manager you want to tell us about the other great request and the performing 490 00:35:37,860 --> 00:35:38,360 arts. 491 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:38,960 Yeah. 492 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:45,140 This was a hard back and forth with the applicants. 493 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:51,900 The first time that I had submitted, they unfortunately sent everything blank. 494 00:35:52,760 --> 00:36:08,880 The second time they only sent back the application and when I wrote back a third time I asked for the rest of the documents and for the amount to be changed based off of what it was and I got a response of I've already sent that to you. 495 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:12,360 I did at least get an email about three days later. 496 00:36:12,740 --> 00:36:17,280 It was an apology, it was a cure, and it was the other two documents that were on here, 497 00:36:17,540 --> 00:36:21,980 which is the wish list and the board numbers. 498 00:36:23,100 --> 00:36:25,080 There still is some information missing. 499 00:36:25,500 --> 00:36:26,700 We don't have the financials. 500 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:28,960 I don't know if this group actually has the financials. 501 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:36,200 This is the first time I've ever had the performing arts teacher club submit to us. 502 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:40,760 I don't really understand everything, even though I sent it to multiple places. 503 00:36:41,180 --> 00:36:43,420 So you have multiple places here. 504 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,100 You could send it back to them and ask them to resummit it. 505 00:36:47,540 --> 00:36:53,060 Or if you don't want to hold it up and put it against the kids, you can give the next lowest 506 00:36:53,060 --> 00:36:59,520 amount available, which is $1,500, we have $3,500, $1,500. 507 00:37:00,540 --> 00:37:02,640 Are those submitted by students or is this? 508 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:03,560 This one was not. 509 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,040 That's why I'm being very, yep. 510 00:37:06,380 --> 00:37:08,640 The other two, yes, the actual, the two that you just approved, 511 00:37:08,860 --> 00:37:10,300 they were actually submitted by students. 512 00:37:10,860 --> 00:37:13,720 They have helped by their teacher. 513 00:37:13,900 --> 00:37:14,960 I know he helps them a lot. 514 00:37:15,460 --> 00:37:18,540 This one was actually submitted by a parent. 515 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,300 So I'm trying to remember my high school days 516 00:37:22,300 --> 00:37:24,900 and they're going away quickly. 517 00:37:26,540 --> 00:37:29,720 Remind Booster Clubs, are they a part of the school 518 00:37:29,720 --> 00:37:32,880 or an addition to usually their. 519 00:37:33,940 --> 00:37:39,820 I was a little bit confused about where I was at the back of my school or baseball and 520 00:37:39,820 --> 00:37:41,560 for basketball and I was different about that. 521 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,280 So what you do is when the kids need fed, like I will say this. 522 00:37:44,380 --> 00:37:46,840 I went to Beauty and the Beast at the high school here. 523 00:37:47,460 --> 00:37:51,340 So this booster club for all these kids that are there all day long, they can make sure they 524 00:37:51,340 --> 00:37:53,520 are fed, they get food for them during it. 525 00:37:53,540 --> 00:37:55,040 And that's one of the things that they mentioned in here. 526 00:37:55,040 --> 00:38:00,920 Um, you, uh, just making sure like on bus trips there and back, like who's paying for the meal? 527 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:01,440 Yeah. 528 00:38:01,720 --> 00:38:06,400 The Easter club raises money and helps pay for the kids' meals for every one of their way games. 529 00:38:06,460 --> 00:38:06,580 Yeah. 530 00:38:06,860 --> 00:38:08,260 So it looks like the after-prone. 531 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:08,980 It's kind of like the- 532 00:38:08,980 --> 00:38:09,380 Absolutely. 533 00:38:09,980 --> 00:38:10,020 Over. 534 00:38:11,020 --> 00:38:12,660 You do the end of the banquet. 535 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,280 That's all the booster club puts all that on pace for it all. 536 00:38:15,500 --> 00:38:16,040 Got it. 537 00:38:16,240 --> 00:38:16,260 Yeah. 538 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,160 But there's no supervisory. 539 00:38:18,940 --> 00:38:22,040 There's certain guidelines that booster clubs can't. 540 00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,460 If you have a special bank account, we'd have our treasure. 541 00:38:25,820 --> 00:38:29,260 Somebody else had to be financing and some supervisory stuff. 542 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:31,980 How much were they asking for? 543 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,840 Well, the first one came in $50,000. 544 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:35,700 $50,000? 545 00:38:35,820 --> 00:38:36,000 Yeah. 546 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:40,480 The application says, and I asked them to change it, but they didn't get that back. 547 00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:43,620 Here's my thought on that. 548 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:52,300 I mean, they're requesting a grant, and I don't think you need to lower the bar because 549 00:38:52,300 --> 00:39:01,120 that sets a precedent for future applications as well. If I were in your shoes, this is what I would 550 00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:06,000 recommend is just send them back emails. Completely up to you because I've done everything I can 551 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:11,400 and they won't respond to you. But when we say no they might. Yes, that's where we're at now. 552 00:39:12,020 --> 00:39:17,420 Here's my recommendation. At this point we say no because the process has not been followed 553 00:39:17,420 --> 00:39:18,600 grant correctly. 554 00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,620 It didn't mean deadline. It didn't, it didn't mean deadline. 555 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:25,080 Was that mean that they can't come back? 556 00:39:25,220 --> 00:39:29,380 Totally, they can submit and I'll try to help them and send everything I did again and request 557 00:39:29,380 --> 00:39:36,220 the financials which are in here and request the actual amount that's left. I um, I have a lot of decent 558 00:39:36,220 --> 00:39:43,360 amount of experience writing and reading and evaluating grants. And following instructions is like 559 00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:51,080 the first reason is to why you get rejected if you don't follow instruction right now you get rejected so I'm on board 560 00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:59,100 I mean, not that I don't want to give the money to the right exactly. I agree. I also agree with you guys. I really do 561 00:39:59,100 --> 00:40:06,740 I think that especially if it's an adult that's the part that's a little bit of a path every to kid. Yeah, I agree because if you get 562 00:40:07,220 --> 00:40:12,800 three more and they're done perfect and they're submitted the way they should and you've awarded this one then 563 00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:16,680 And you know, you almost feel bad because somebody else did it the right way. 564 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,940 So I agree with you guys, it should be done how we asked for it to be done. 565 00:40:20,140 --> 00:40:21,140 That was for a reason. 566 00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:28,240 I would assume that they will apply for future grants and we need to send the message that this is what you have to do. 567 00:40:28,460 --> 00:40:28,660 Yes. 568 00:40:29,220 --> 00:40:33,680 And all of my eight years of doing what I did, I never asked for $100,000. 569 00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:35,000 We sold bricks for the school. 570 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:36,480 We built things that are at the school. 571 00:40:36,580 --> 00:40:37,860 It's not money to offset. 572 00:40:38,380 --> 00:40:41,500 It was never worth asking for these. 573 00:40:41,500 --> 00:40:46,440 the kinds of things they're asking for. No harm in asking. No, there isn't, there isn't. 574 00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:54,800 We didn't read the instructions. But yeah, she was a little lack of research on their part. 575 00:40:55,680 --> 00:41:02,120 But maybe they're considering their financials could and that's not going to really work, you know. 576 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:09,980 You know, I don't know what level of audits you guys would have to go through to make sure that 577 00:41:09,980 --> 00:41:16,480 grant funds were spent correctly but I mean if they misused it right that's what I am yeah and 578 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:23,440 that they've actually set up the neck and crown and that comes from party for yeah so the key club 579 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:31,020 and essentially they know what to do well actually this is the first time they're submitted so but I 580 00:41:31,020 --> 00:41:35,380 explained what to do and all they have to do is go to their district and actually give the breakdown 581 00:41:35,380 --> 00:41:36,800 I don't know if everything goes through their account. 582 00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:39,920 I can motion to say no. 583 00:41:40,660 --> 00:41:41,400 In a second. 584 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,620 The motion to deny the grant request from several times 585 00:41:45,620 --> 00:41:46,760 for performing arts booster. 586 00:41:46,940 --> 00:41:49,080 Just a parliamentary point of clarification. 587 00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:56,880 Is this a denial or is this come back when it's all put together? 588 00:41:58,060 --> 00:41:58,540 Requestion. 589 00:41:58,940 --> 00:42:00,380 I don't think that you want it to be a denial, 590 00:42:00,540 --> 00:42:02,480 because if you deny it, they can't technically resubit. 591 00:42:02,720 --> 00:42:04,580 So I would put a postponement. 592 00:42:04,580 --> 00:42:10,580 Yes. Until they're resumant. Yeah, we can I motion to postpone this 593 00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:15,260 Grant investigation for the Severance High School performing our Spuester Club 594 00:42:16,100 --> 00:42:22,720 Until they resummit the packet and fooling correctly. Yeah. Agreed. Second motion is second. 595 00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:28,300 All right. Do we have roll call? Green? No. No. Oh, yes. 596 00:42:34,580 --> 00:42:35,260 Yes, I agree. 597 00:42:35,580 --> 00:42:36,780 I'm sorry. 598 00:42:37,720 --> 00:42:37,920 Yeah. 599 00:42:38,380 --> 00:42:39,160 Man and Merck? 600 00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:39,520 Yes. 601 00:42:39,980 --> 00:42:40,600 It's like, yes. 602 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:41,900 I'm just keeping it exciting. 603 00:42:42,340 --> 00:42:42,840 There you go. 604 00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:43,740 Keep it so it does. 605 00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:45,400 I'm going to have to keep reading the same. 606 00:42:47,620 --> 00:42:49,960 I think it's going to stop at these labels. 607 00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,020 Like, the one thing I miss is he's cost. 608 00:42:52,660 --> 00:42:55,580 Was an iPad for each teacher with case? 609 00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:58,440 I don't know why it was your public work, I don't know. 610 00:42:59,440 --> 00:42:59,840 Mm-hm. 611 00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:02,240 We're all seeing this here, doesn't make sense. 612 00:43:03,780 --> 00:43:05,700 All right, I'm going to figure it out. 613 00:43:05,700 --> 00:43:12,400 So, just a question, if something like this say if they resubmit and they're like iPads 614 00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:16,740 for teachers, it wouldn't be possible to have one of the representatives here so we can 615 00:43:16,740 --> 00:43:17,600 ask. 616 00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:19,500 I can always ask. 617 00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:23,520 We're just starting out and new and trying to figure it all out and just reach out wherever 618 00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:23,940 they can. 619 00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:27,080 If you don't know, you get money from Severance, you should do. 620 00:43:27,940 --> 00:43:35,460 Yeah, I think it's an original way to reach out to me, like, gosh, you told me a lot. 621 00:43:35,460 --> 00:43:39,440 Yeah, like, I want to say a year ago, huh? So it's all your fault that they 622 00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:50,460 And maybe because I want to saw how much they were asking for us like there's got any more context to this 623 00:43:53,020 --> 00:43:56,740 It's not real clear. Why do you need some of this stuff? 624 00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:05,180 Well, that's just yeah, that's okay. I mean, whereas the other groups is pretty easy to go to 625 00:44:05,460 --> 00:44:10,000 Yeah, if they just narrowed it down and asked to go to the west 626 00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:13,180 and rotational at grand junction, it makes a lot more sense. 627 00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,340 Yeah, where we have $100,000 of equipment we're trying to get. 628 00:44:16,460 --> 00:44:21,300 We're asking $2,000 for the iPads, whatever, the software. 629 00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:23,680 That's a different type of application. 630 00:44:24,660 --> 00:44:24,760 Yeah. 631 00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,940 And the choir came to our, that was cool. 632 00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:30,880 Yeah, it's interesting. 633 00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,760 So yeah, they're on here with concert attire of the choir. 634 00:44:34,460 --> 00:44:37,280 that's a snazzy outfit for $13,000. 635 00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:37,920 Oh yeah, that's a problem. 636 00:44:39,300 --> 00:44:42,300 Concert choir, I mean, hopefully, I mean, there's talks maybe 637 00:44:42,300 --> 00:44:44,460 and that person's gowns, yeah. 638 00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,720 I mean, they're doing a booster clip, 639 00:44:50,140 --> 00:44:51,700 just to try to read the money, 640 00:44:51,980 --> 00:44:53,800 but it's not bad, it's no ill-will, just. 641 00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:56,940 All right, I think we're at the communications portion 642 00:44:56,940 --> 00:44:57,820 of our meeting here. 643 00:44:58,520 --> 00:44:59,960 Does the town have anything they want? 644 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:29,500 Okay. To the advisory board. Anything there? I've just got a couple of questions. And sorry, I wasn't there. The state, it sounded like the state, the town went well. Really well. Yeah. Civil. We've gotten a lot of positive emails to from people who attended giving feedback and thinking. It's been really good. Well, civil meeting. 645 00:45:31,860 --> 00:45:37,940 I think we had about 40-ish people, I think, at the state of the town. 646 00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:44,940 No, we were at 50-55, yeah, we ran a full house, it was nice, lots of good questions. 647 00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:51,000 You've got to handle things, I'll read it right, you've handled things so very well, so 648 00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:51,480 very well. 649 00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:52,100 It's really good. 650 00:45:54,900 --> 00:46:01,200 And then do we need an update on the whole mega boat, the mega banner kind of thing? 651 00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:06,680 Is there anything that was an update that came out. Yeah, so I mean, I saw I saw the towns the councils 652 00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,020 thing, and then the chief. 653 00:46:14,730 --> 00:46:17,890 Okay, so he hasn't got him back to you. Okay, then the chief is 654 00:46:17,890 --> 00:46:31,110 going to be putting something out here shortly, too. And if I can ask just after the state of the town 655 00:46:31,110 --> 00:46:38,910 Um, any new action items for you guys that you're thinking about or something that we have our strategic planning event. 656 00:46:39,870 --> 00:46:41,810 I should call it strategic planning. 657 00:46:42,230 --> 00:46:42,870 Strategic planning. 658 00:46:43,950 --> 00:46:44,750 We're three. 659 00:46:45,030 --> 00:46:48,670 Um, tomorrow evening and then Friday morning. 660 00:46:48,970 --> 00:46:52,730 And that's really where you'll see a lot of new things come out of that. 661 00:46:52,930 --> 00:47:00,230 So, um, I know you know, we talked about the mosquito fogging, but I think that was addressed and handled right there in the meeting. 662 00:47:00,230 --> 00:47:05,570 so nothing knew that needed to come from that, but we do have the next two days of our strategic 663 00:47:05,570 --> 00:47:09,390 planning retreat. So that's a lot of fun and usually some new things come out of that. 664 00:47:09,950 --> 00:47:15,010 One of the things I found interesting is I think there's three questions back to back 665 00:47:16,350 --> 00:47:20,430 that were very different. We're talking about the same thing, at least in my opinion, 666 00:47:21,010 --> 00:47:25,650 there was the the question about like it didn't feel like a close knit community and what 667 00:47:26,190 --> 00:47:28,490 is the town doing to make it feel that way. 668 00:47:29,290 --> 00:47:31,690 And I think the question right after that, after that topic, 669 00:47:31,870 --> 00:47:34,690 ended was business community question. 670 00:47:34,990 --> 00:47:36,630 And then the one right after that was police 671 00:47:36,630 --> 00:47:38,390 and safety community question. 672 00:47:39,630 --> 00:47:41,410 And you know, so I have to imagine 673 00:47:41,410 --> 00:47:43,310 as a growing town, as you all know, 674 00:47:43,590 --> 00:47:46,010 there's gonna be very diverse opinions 675 00:47:46,010 --> 00:47:48,170 and definitions of what community means. 676 00:47:50,590 --> 00:47:53,890 And not everyone's gonna be happy with where the town lands. 677 00:47:53,890 --> 00:47:54,850 But I thought it was really interesting 678 00:47:54,850 --> 00:47:59,690 that they were all asking questions about what it means to be this community from different 679 00:47:59,690 --> 00:48:06,330 from different viewpoints. So you just thought that I had that right? Yeah we're kind of in a neat 680 00:48:06,330 --> 00:48:11,250 position to really like to find what separates is because it really doesn't have a definition 681 00:48:11,930 --> 00:48:17,790 and so that's something that councils really focused on is what can we do to start providing that 682 00:48:17,790 --> 00:48:23,470 and providing like what separates is and what we want it to be. So starting a community park is 683 00:48:23,470 --> 00:48:26,590 It's going to be a big one with some of the new things we're going to put in down there 684 00:48:26,590 --> 00:48:30,930 and it's going to be really cool and provide a lot of places for people to gather and 685 00:48:30,930 --> 00:48:31,350 heal out. 686 00:48:31,390 --> 00:48:33,450 Yeah, it'll be really neat. 687 00:48:34,030 --> 00:48:38,650 I think that's, I mean, for what it is, I think giving those common spaces and those 688 00:48:38,650 --> 00:48:41,910 community gathering spaces is a huge step in that way. 689 00:48:42,450 --> 00:48:42,510 Yeah. 690 00:48:42,950 --> 00:48:47,270 I would just encourage you guys, and you do it so very well where you are constantly 691 00:48:47,270 --> 00:48:49,810 embodying the community to have a voice in things. 692 00:48:50,090 --> 00:48:51,370 You guys do that really, really well. 693 00:48:51,370 --> 00:48:56,770 Even with community park, I would maybe not let them have a voice, but just continue to communicate. 694 00:48:56,930 --> 00:48:58,970 Hey, this is what's going on and this is for you. 695 00:48:59,950 --> 00:49:03,210 You're only just focusing, you know, you can tell people what you're doing 696 00:49:04,170 --> 00:49:08,470 and they may or may not hear it, but if you tell them why you're doing it, they hear it. 697 00:49:08,690 --> 00:49:13,830 We actually had our budget open house. I did a survey, a fill-in survey of things that you'd like 698 00:49:13,830 --> 00:49:18,550 to see at community park and we took those in Caledon and that said it into a part of what we're doing. 699 00:49:18,550 --> 00:49:35,710 So yeah, you guys did a great job at it. I know these guys think the same thing. I've never been a part of a community that does as well as you guys do just soliciting input for them from the community and you guys really care because your citizens too and we appreciate that really. 700 00:49:35,710 --> 00:49:41,470 So what's the latest on the development of 21 and army to 701 00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:44,240 be across the street? 702 00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:48,240 Yeah, so I went to the planning commission and we was approved for flammary plan. 703 00:49:48,620 --> 00:49:56,680 It goes in front of the tell council on March 25th from the preliminary plan. 704 00:49:56,820 --> 00:49:58,600 Was it through the highly 705 00:50:00,750 --> 00:50:02,190 recommend you guys just be there too. 706 00:50:02,370 --> 00:50:08,170 It's good that those meetings, so the planning commission will plan a commission and even that 707 00:50:08,170 --> 00:50:11,970 Oh, got one maybe Holly. It's going to be probably very 708 00:50:11,970 --> 00:50:12,610 attended. 709 00:50:14,950 --> 00:50:18,470 I do have a request since we're like around table chatting. 710 00:50:19,670 --> 00:50:26,490 I've been trying really hard to figure out how to get some of our younger age demographic people 711 00:50:26,490 --> 00:50:31,390 interested in coming to meetings or interested in being involved. And I had a funny conversation 712 00:50:31,390 --> 00:50:36,230 this morning with a girl that I worked out with. She doesn't even know what a town council is. 713 00:50:36,230 --> 00:50:43,550 and she's like 35 so she's younger than me doesn't even know what a town council is doesn't if you ever have any ideas 714 00:50:43,550 --> 00:50:48,210 on things that we could be doing as outreach to try to get 715 00:50:48,850 --> 00:50:55,310 and we've talked about doing like Friday facelifts in neighborhoods through like the Metro District or an HOA sponsored 716 00:50:55,310 --> 00:51:03,410 to try to just bring awareness to why you want to pay attention but if you ever have any ideas if you could send them to me I really appreciate it. 717 00:51:04,170 --> 00:51:10,310 I tried making like my off-beat videos, you know, like those will catch some attention 718 00:51:10,310 --> 00:51:13,750 and I'm going to keep, you know, going in that route too, but if you ever have any other 719 00:51:13,750 --> 00:51:17,210 ideas of stuff we could do, please just shoot it over to me. 720 00:51:17,990 --> 00:51:18,150 Okay. 721 00:51:19,390 --> 00:51:21,570 Your videos are working too, by the way. 722 00:51:21,930 --> 00:51:26,110 The last time you put out with the game show, that was awesome. 723 00:51:26,730 --> 00:51:30,570 I think that catches people's attention too. 724 00:51:31,690 --> 00:51:34,590 And maybe one of those something like that of just, hey, 725 00:51:34,730 --> 00:51:36,470 come and accounts me, come and check it out. 726 00:51:36,570 --> 00:51:36,670 Yeah. 727 00:51:37,110 --> 00:51:37,970 It's your council members. 728 00:51:38,470 --> 00:51:40,450 Yeah, if you have ideas I'd look in your own. 729 00:51:41,350 --> 00:51:44,250 Are you talking about the 20-somethings, 30-somethings? 730 00:51:44,290 --> 00:51:47,050 Are you talking about the high school? 731 00:51:47,250 --> 00:51:47,620 20-30s. 732 00:51:48,970 --> 00:51:49,690 20-80s. 733 00:51:49,750 --> 00:51:50,510 You have voting age. 734 00:51:51,670 --> 00:51:53,610 Household owners, yeah, young families. 735 00:51:53,850 --> 00:51:55,790 Your towards our main population because of the majority 736 00:51:55,790 --> 00:51:57,530 of our 13-30s. 737 00:51:58,390 --> 00:51:58,490 Yeah. 738 00:51:58,490 --> 00:51:58,550 Yeah. 739 00:52:00,910 --> 00:52:04,070 You hinted at this, you did not say this up, I'm speaking here. 740 00:52:04,310 --> 00:52:05,850 I think persistence is just key. 741 00:52:06,610 --> 00:52:09,310 I think that it's going to take a lot of time. 742 00:52:10,330 --> 00:52:15,570 By I'm 38, we are not all that involved as a demographic. 743 00:52:15,970 --> 00:52:18,270 It's hard to, when you're a young family, you're very busy. 744 00:52:18,610 --> 00:52:22,570 You know, I'm very busy all the time so I understand it just, you know, if we can bring 745 00:52:22,570 --> 00:52:26,570 some awareness that they start to feel that sense of community too, because I think being 746 00:52:26,570 --> 00:52:32,110 aware of your government makes you feel more of a sense of community and a pride of why your town 747 00:52:32,110 --> 00:52:37,010 is the way it is. So, yeah, if you have any ideas on how we can just, you've been on to come 748 00:52:37,010 --> 00:52:43,250 to every meeting, but just so that we can educate, meet them, you know, get to know that demographic 749 00:52:43,250 --> 00:52:49,470 a little bit so they understand what we do too. Overcome out, I agree with you 100% over you won't 750 00:52:49,470 --> 00:52:54,650 overcommunicate. I tell our staff all the time when you guys get tired of me talking about stuff, 751 00:52:54,650 --> 00:52:58,790 our people are just beginning to hear it and that is the truth because they 752 00:52:58,790 --> 00:53:02,350 don't hear we have announcements and all this stuff all the time and nobody's 753 00:53:02,350 --> 00:53:07,910 still here so these three times I'll remember that thank you 754 00:53:09,230 --> 00:53:18,410 anything else from council council I will motion and I will entertain a motion to 755 00:53:18,410 --> 00:53:25,390 to turn. So move. So move for 10 seconds. Sure. I mean, you really need a roll call for that one. 756 00:53:25,570 --> 00:53:32,750 No, you could, you could just call. We're gonna, all right, we're gonna 757 00:53:32,750 --> 00:53:34,110 and gas will be perfect.