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We will call to order the sewer county board of county commissioners the regular meeting. Please

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stand for the pledge of allegiance.

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pledge of allegiance to the flag of the united states. States of america,

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one nation under god, indivisible, and with liberty and justice

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for all.

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jason tombs representing the liberal ministerial alliance. Let us pray.

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heavenly father, it is your gracious will that your children on earth live together in

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harmony and peace, especially at this time of the year as we look forward to christ coming

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defeat the plans of all who would stir up violence and strife, destroy the weapons of those

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who delight in war and bloodshed and according to your holy will end all conflicts

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in our world. Teach us to examine our hearts that we may recognize our own

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inclination toward envy, malice, hatred, and enmity. Help us by

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your word and spirit to search our hearts and to root out the evil that would lead us to

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strife and discord. Lord jesus, as you once shared in our human toil

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and thus, hello the work of our hands. Bless and prosper. Those who maintain the industries

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and service sectors of our land. Give them a right regard for their labors

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and grant them the just rewards for their work. Almighty god, be a strength

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and source of hope for the children and our families, and especially our community

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when they stray. Protect them from all danger and grant them your abiding presence.

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guide them by your word into paths of wisdom and righteousness. For your name's sake

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almighty god, you have promised to hear the petitions of those who ask in your son's beloved name.

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mercifully, incline your ears to us as we have now, now made known

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our prayers and supplications to you. And grant the those things that we have asked according

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to your holy will we may receive to meet our needs and bring glory to you

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alone through jesus christ, our son, our lord who lives and reigns with you and the holy spirit

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one god now and forever. Amen. Thank you. Thank you, thank

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you. Okay, is there any citizen

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comments?

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my name's rick madden, uh, resident of liberal lifetime.

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uh, I I wanna start off by reading

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the deal so I don't get off track. So

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here I go. I think we can agree that the data

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has presented to this board has been , which is

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brought into question how you've been operating county business

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in the county. Commissioners mission statement is a list of

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14 core values that the commission operates by

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five of those core values, which I think you have felt miserably.

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one, integrity, honesty, trustworthiness.

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two, stewardship and fiscal responsibility.

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three, operate with transparency. Four, accountability

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and five, credibility ability.

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with that, I'd like to talk about accountability. First,

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we'll start with the health department. It was stated that

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the bonuses did not come from grant money later to be retracted

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and said the grant money when you were finished, it was

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from the grant money with the department head giving herself and others

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bonuses for four years. Let's not forget

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for another grant for $38,000, which se county's

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matching part was for over $600,000 signed by one

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commissioner. The question I have, do you not

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question the rationale of what was going on?

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I'm sure every county personnel would like a bonus like that.

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so with that being said, it appears the commissioner rewards behavior like that

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instead of firing people for their abuse.

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second, let's talk about the county administrator. I don't

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know what all her job entails, but let's assume one of her functions is

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to supply factual information to the commissioners.

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she has made comments to the commission that were not true,

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not so where's the information coming from department heads or

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somewhere else? Again, there is no accountability.

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third, a commissioner stated it is not the responsibility

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to do research on issues, but to be advised by the county

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administrator. How can you make an informed decision

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with only one person's advice? Remember,

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you get a salary and a benefits package in the range of about

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$50,000 a year. You would think they would be enough incentive

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to do a little research on your own, but the commission

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repeatedly misinformed the public about several issues that

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the county is facing. First with the mill, increase

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to the budget, having commissioner sign off on grants

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without board approval, and the auditor for

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the county stated that the benefit benefits package was unsustainable,

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but I know the county would not think of cutting any of these benefits.

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here's another problem that the county has. Four years ago it had a $7 million

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surplus and it appears that will be cut down to 80,000

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by the year 2026. Now is

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that is not fiscally responsibility.

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there needs to be a change and it needs to happen now

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and call for accountability. That is done by

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firing people who abuse the system. Department heads to commissioners

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who should resign personally, I think a cfo

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would help with the problems the county is facing and maybe

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a purchasing agent to help stop the overspending of tax dollars.

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just a quick thought is how many credit cards has a county issued

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to employees? In closing,

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I think a commissioner should have at least some experience in experience

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in having ran a business instead of being voted in on a popularity

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contest. Lastly, you should be embarrassed to be in public for

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all the failures under your watch. If you want an honest look

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at some issues and don't want to research 'em for yourself, please call

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carol huston. She might be willing to assist you. Thank you.

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okay, we'll move to item number one. Approval of the agenda.

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yeah, more assuming comments. Yeah. Is there any more citizen comments? Sorry.

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okay, being done. We'll move to item number one. Approval of the agenda.

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I amend the agenda again and now 13 a is budget.

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make a motion to approve what commissioners. I do need to add an item to

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the agenda. Addendum to resolution number 20 25 17

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and 20 25 18. So

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we can make 13 a budget. 13 b 4 20 24.

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yeah, do it on the four. Do it sooner. Yeah, fine.

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four a, oh, it's got resolution, resolution 2025

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dash, I'm sorry, 17 and

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18. 17 and 2025 dash 18.

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I'll make a motion to add those three items to the agenda.

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you're making 13 a the budget or you? Yeah. Okay.

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is there a second? Second, yep. There's a motion

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by commissioner helm to add item 13 a,

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budget, and then item four a and b,

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resolution 20, 25, 17, and 18 and a second by commissioner

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stanton show of right answer approval five and oh.

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I'd make a motion to approve the agenda as amended.

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second motion by commissioner hill to approve the amended agenda.

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second by commissioner stanton, show of righthand for approval.

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provide the note. Move to item number two, consent agenda.

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so second, there's a motion by commissioner abbott to approve the consent

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agenda is granted. And a second by commissioner fuller, show

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of righthand for approval.

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five and oh,

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new employees, none that are present.

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okay, move to item number four,

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resolution 2025 is angela, not, um, april.

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angela. Everybody knows that she's a new hr person. Yeah, she was introduced at

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the last meeting. Oh, I was in florida. I'm sorry. My bad. That's okay. Okay, move to

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item number four, resolution 2025 dash 19. Execution of deed

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on fire department. Sorry, buddy. Uh, good evening commissioners.

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so the board of county commissioners will need to hold a public hearing this

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evening regarding the agreement with the city of liberal for them to purchase

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seward county's interest in the fire station located at one 10

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west 15th street in liberal. The board of county commissioners

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will then consider execution of resolution 2025 dash

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19 authorizing the sell of the property, termination

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of the memorandum of understanding with the city of liberal and execution

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of the deed. On november 30th, 2025,

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seward county published notice of seward county's intent to sell

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the interest in real property. This property is located at one 10

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west 15th street, liberal kansas. The city of liberal seeks

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to be the sole occupant of the fire station and to purchase seward county's

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interest. In the same, the city offered the county $500,000

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for their interest in this property. Notice was provided that

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a public hearing would be held this evening at 5:30 pm giving

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the public an opportunity to comment on the offer to purchase and related

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matters on the fire station located at one 10 west 15th street.

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so now, uh, chairman carr, if you would open up for the public hearing.

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yes. We'll close the regular session to open the public hearing.

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it is here by given to the public pursuant to seward county

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resolution 2006 10, that the board of county commissioner

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of seward county herein board has received a negotiated offer

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from the city of liberal kansas purchase seward county interest. And the

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following, describe rural property for the sum of 500,000.

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I guess it started the wrong page here. Sorry.

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a resolution authorizing sale of certain surplus property and termination

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of me memorandum of understanding with the city

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of liberal kansas, whereas s county kansas received an offer from

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the city of liberal kansas for the sale of its interest in the following rural

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property were the sum of 500,000 attractive ground

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out of the no half of northeast quarter, northeast quarter of section

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32, township 34 range 33,

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described by meets and bounds as follows, to what? Beginning at

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a point 560 feet west at the northeast corner of said northeast

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quarter fence west on the north boundary line of said

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quarter distance of 222 feet, more or less to point

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directly north of extended west line at light city park as it now

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exists. Fence south on eight extended west line

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of said park a distance of 347 feet fence

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east parallel to the north boundary line of said quarter

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distance of 220 feet, more or less, fence north a distance of 347

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feet to the place of beginning it being the intention to convey that

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track or area lying immediately west of the track,

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heretofore conveyed by cm light and wife to ug

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black and north of the city park to the extended west line

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thereof. And whereas seward county kansas pub

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published notification of the sale and allowed public participation

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at a public hearing and whereas the board of county commissioners determined

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that the above row property was surplus property and was authorized

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sale of the interest and real property for the sum of 500,000,

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whereas it is necessary to sign a contract. Quick claim deed and closing

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documents associated with sale chairman carr, if you would open it up to see if there's

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any public comment, public comments. Yeah. Right. And at this time we'll open it up to public

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comments.

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okay, being done. We'll close the public hearing now. You

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can go on now

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where it is necessary to sign a contract with claim deed and closing documents

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associated with the sale now therefore be it resolved by the governing body

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of sur county, kansas as follows, sale of property the

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contract, quick claim deed and notice of right of first refusal presented

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to the board of county commissioners is hereby approved and the chairman

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is authorized to sign the same along with such documents that are necessary

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and work to facilitate and close the cell of the above describe surplus

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real property to the city of liberal kansas. Further upon closing of

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the contract, the chairman is authorized to sign a termination of memorandum

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of understanding of that certain memorandum of understanding with

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the city of liberal dated january 25, 2, 2017

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in all amendments and supplements thereto, along with the notice of right

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of first refusal, use of the sale proceed. All funds

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received from the city of liberal for the sale of the county's interest in the above-referenced

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property shall be used for remodeling and adding onto the building located

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at one 20 east 18th street, liberal, kansas

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6 7 9 0 1. Any remaining amounts left should be used

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to pay off the lease purchase obligation on the building located at

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one 20 east 18th street, liberal, kansas effective

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date. This resolution is effective upon passage and publication

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in official use payment.

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so commissioners, it is the recommendation of staff that you adopt resolution

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20 25 19 to accept the negotiated offer

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along with authorizing execution of a contract and a deed.

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so moved. Second. There's motion by commissioner abbott to prove that

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to adopt the resolution. 2025 dash 19

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and second by commissioner fuller show of right hands for approval.

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five and oh

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um, commissioners at your work session, um, held before

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the meeting today, you had asked, um, fire chief barkley

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to come forward, um, to see if he could, um, gather any pricing

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for you as to what it would cost for, um, architecture

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engineering plans for the remodel of, um, the

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18th street fire station and I do believe he has a report.

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good evening commissioners. Andrew barkley, sir, county fire chief this afternoon I reached

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out to our architect at gmcn and spoke

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to, uh, an assistant desiree there and she has,

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uh, verbally told me $40,000 for them to

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come in, do all the plans, engineering plans, mechanical, plumbing,

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et cetera, and, uh, put a bid packet together and then

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assist with the, uh, oversight of the construction moving forward,

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if you will. I, if you wish, I will get that in writing tomorrow and we'll start

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making those things move forward.

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I move that we give, uh, chief barkley the go ahead to work with

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the architects at gmcn. I second it.

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okay, there's motion by commissioner abbott to approve

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the fire chief to go ahead and move with gmnc,

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the gmc in actually get that backwards all the time.

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architects. And there was a second by commissioner fuller show

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of right hands for approval. You want to comment? I think that we should put a dollar amount

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on it, a maximum amount before we proceed

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with just he just said 40,000.

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2020. He said 40,000. 40,000 commissioner.

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okay. Add that part as part of the, yeah.

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okay. Okay. Any other questions?

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show right hands for approval. Okay,

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thank you commissioners. Thank you. Chief barkley.

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item four a resolution 2025 dash

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17 oh,

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where are you going? Sorry, . I forgot the oven. Four a

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commissioners. I come before you this evening to add an addendum to resolution

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number 20 25 17 as well as resolution

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number 20 25 18. We will need to vote

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on these separately. The addendum to the resolution number 20 25 17

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was regarding exceeding the revenue neutral rate on september 15th, 2025.

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the seward county board of county commissioners passed resolution number 2025

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dash 17 to approve exceeding the revenue neutral rate.

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whereas though an inadvertent clerical oversight in several

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places, the resolution reflected tax year 2026, it

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should have been 2025. The board of county commissioners desires

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to clarify that resolution 2025 dash 17 was

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intended and should reflect that its decision to exceed the revenue

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neutral rate applied to the current tax year at issue, which should

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have been identified as 2025.

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the vote for you this evening set forth on this addendum does not change

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any commissioner's vote on the underlining decision to exceed

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the revenue neutral rate. Which vote is set forth on the original

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resolution on 20 25 17, but reflects

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that the commissioner understood and intended to be voting on

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a decision to exceed the revenue neutral rate for tax year 2025

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and not 2026. And that resolution 2025

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dash 17 should reflect that. Um,

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this is the same thing for resolution number 20 25 18.

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um, this one is for the kansas rural fire district. Can we do

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them separately? Yes, we do need to do them separately. That's what I had asked, but

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I just wanted you to know I wasn't gonna read each separate one unless you wanted

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me to. I think you should. Okay. So it after vote

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on 2017. Okay, please. Okay.

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you have those addendums in front of you? I vote yes on addendum

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to resolution number 20 25 17.

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commissioner helm? No. Commissioner carr?

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yes. Commissioner fuller? Yes. Mr. Stanton? No.

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and I have a question. When would you ,

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uh, would you like to address that for us?

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yeah, I'm here. Um, I worked with, uh, april on this afternoon.

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uh, she had sent draft me. I didn't get a chance to review 'em until middle

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of the afternoon, so I got 'em turned around, but it was within,

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uh, it was after, it was after three o'clock this afternoon before I got turned around.

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I'm just noticing that their resolutions commissioner free date mike mics.

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I'm just noticing that these resolutions predate the fire resolution we

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just voted on and sequentially numbered.

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they're they're prior. It's because they're an addendum. They're

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an addendum to the original solution numbers. Yes. Yes. But

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they were prepared today, is that correct? Yes.

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this is after the well, I'll let legal counsel handle

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that if anything else needs to be said.

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so do you want me to read? Yeah. Read resolution 20 motion

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honor anybody? They all voted but there was no motion. There needs to

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be a motion. Right. There was no motion made. Right. I move that we receive addendum

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to resolution number 2025 dash 17. I second.

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okay. There's motion by commissioner and I'm still a yes. Second by commissioner fuller

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show of right hands for approval. Then we take the vote. Okay.

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I just said I'm still a yes. Okay. Steve

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still? No. Oh. Steve helm? No. Uh,

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still? Yes. Commissioner stanton? No. Speaking to the microphone. Not so they can hear

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you. So, addendum

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to resolution number 2025 dash 17 addendum to

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resolution number 20 25 17 of seward county, kansas. We're on

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18. We're oh, I thought she wanted me to read it after it was approved.

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you don't, so you don't need me to read it. Okay. All

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right. I make a motion that we approve that

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thenum no, she's gonna read it first.

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yes. Yes. Okay. Addendum to

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resolution number 2025 dash 18. Addendum to resolution number

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2025 dash 18 of seward county, kansas rule fire

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district regarding exceeding the revenue neutral rate. Whereas

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on september 15th, 2025, the seward county board

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of county commissioners passed resolution 2025 dash 18

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to approve exceeding the revenue neutral rate. Whereas through an

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inadvertent clerical oversight in several places, the resolution reflects

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tax year 2026 and whereas the board

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of county commissioners desires to clarify that resolution 2025

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dash 18 was intended and should reflect that its

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decision to exceed the revenue neutral rate applied to the current tax

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year at issue, which should have been identified as 2025.

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now therefore be it resolved by the seward county board of county commissioners

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resolution number 20 25 18 was intended. And this

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addendum shall clarify that the intent and belief

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of the board of county commissioners in voting to exceed the revenue neutral

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rate concerned the current tax year, which should be reflected

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as tax year 2025, accordingly each reference

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to tax year 2026 in resolution 2025

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dash 18 should be read as tax year 2025.

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the vote set forth below on this addendum does not

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change any commissioner's vote on the underlying decision to exceed

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revenue neutral rate, which vote is set forth on the original

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resolution 2025 dash 18, but reflects that

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the commissioner understood in attended to be voting on a decision

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to exceed the revenue neutral rate for tax year 2025

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and not 2026, and that the resolution 20 25 18

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should reflect that the addendum shall be attached to resolution 20 25 18

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upon its adoption and shall remain in effect until future action is

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taken by the seward county board of county commissioners adopted

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this 15th day of december, 2025. I move

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that we adopt addendum to resolution number 2025 dash 18

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sutherland abbott. Yes. What is there a second. Second.

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okay. There was a motion by commissioner abbott and a second by commissioner

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fuller. Yes. Steve

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helm? No. Commissioner carr. Yes.

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commissioner fuller. Yes. Commissioner stanton? No.

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can I ask a question? , we approved this budget for rule

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fire, so how do you not approve the r and r? Now?

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just a question. Thank you so

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much, commissioner abbott. You're welcome. I

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just had a question. Yeah, I we move on. I thought it was all understood as well, but

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okay. Item number five, kirk and michael update.

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and as you guys are coming, thank you so much for the gifts on a lighter note and

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the chocolate. Does anybody need some chocolate in here today? No. Okay, good. We have some chocolate

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here that we can share. Pull it out. Yeah. Yes, absolutely.

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um, steve lenahan, kirk and michael. Um,

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so today we drove road several

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roads, but uh, we drove road p we understand that, uh, there may

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be some complaints about it being a little rough, uh, after the,

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uh, base one application. Um, and that's because it's not

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finished. Uh, I got talking with mark today and,

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uh, they believe that they'll be able to, uh, finish that road, uh,

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possibly this week. So, um, hopefully any complaints on on

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the road will be, um, no longer.

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so what what'll happen is they'll just, um,

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it's, it, it did set up a little faster than, than what, uh, their previous application

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was, which was that perm zyme, uh, application. So, uh, when they

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used that base one, it did set up a little faster. So it, it is a little rougher than what

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it should have been, but it's still not done. And so what they're gonna do is they're gonna wet it,

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verify it, and then apply the, uh, surface application,

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uh, with, with the base one as it's, as it's designed to do.

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so again, hopefully that'll be, um, much smoother going

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forward. Uh, also understand that, um, mark is

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working with his operators to cut in the ditches, um, on some

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of the rural roads, um, uh, to where they have, uh,

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the ditch and have a 26 foot road. We did drive some of those, some

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of them are 24 foot wide, some are 26, some are, uh, 22

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foot wide. Uh, but ideally we'll have a 28 foot

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road with more or less a one foot shoulder, and that one foot

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will have, um, a small windrow for maintaining the,

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the crown as as needed. So, um,

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uh, along with that, we are working on an entrance policy

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that will reference some typical sections that

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will, uh, have, uh, that 28 foot

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wide road going forward so that there's no, um,

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question on size of road, how the ditch interacts, how the entrance,

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uh, going forward interacts, uh, with, with the county roads.

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um, it'll also help, uh,

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with, with that entrance policy, it will also help with developers that

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want to come in, in such as wind farms, where they're gonna install

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several different, uh, uh, entrances. Uh, they'll,

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they'll need to design it. Uh, they'll need to construct it to our, our desire,

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our, our design. So, uh, once we get that entrance policy

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ready to go, uh, it will need to come, uh, forward

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to, to the commission here. So, um, also

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along with that entrance policy, uh, I guess there is some question, um,

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as to who, who should pay for that, uh, entrance? Should

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it, who should construct it? Um, per the kansas

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statutes and what will be, uh, integrated

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into that entrance policy per kansas statute 68 dash 5 43.

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um, whenever any property owner shall request an additional culvert or new

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entrance on a county road, the culvert or new entrance

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may be installed by the county engineer and the cost charged to

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the property owner. So essentially that's just saying that, that all that cost to

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build, that, the, the culvert, the entrance, the surface,

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all that needs to go onto the, uh, property owner. Now

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they could request for the county to build it. It just, um,

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gotta have a, uh, policy in place to be able to enforce

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a, a cost onto the that property owner.

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I do have a question. I had, um, um, a citizen concern about

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apparently the county doesn't know how to dig ditches and we're messing up the

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roads. Can you address that as it, you have to be certified to dig a ditch and understand

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the, the, the, um, the dimensions of that is,

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is designed not to irritate people or just to tear up the roads because

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you have nothing better to do, but safety is always a factor.

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uh, yeah, absolutely. So, uh, we, we did go over that today.

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um, so my understanding is, um, the

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road bridge guys were, uh, were trained, got got some,

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uh, paid training, uh, a little while back on how to properly,

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uh, build ditches and, um, still

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kind of struggling with, uh, the old way of doing things

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and then the, the, the newer way of doing things. So mark's working with his guys,

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um, to, to do that. So we went on a couple roads that were done very well,

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and then a couple roads that, uh, you know, the windrow was, you know,

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way too high and it just, um, needs some,

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some work. So he's, he's continuing to, continuing to

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work with his, his staff because he was very con he was an older gentleman, he was very concerned

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that the work wasn't being done properly and he was, I guess if

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you're getting used to riding on the road wrong for so long,

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and then when it's corrected, it's like it's not right. So, so yeah.

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and hopefully, you know, with, with the typical

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sections that, that we're hoping to implement, that'll

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also show that we want, um, 28 foot road

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with more or less a 26 foot drive length and then,

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uh, drive width and then, uh, that windrow should not

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be a foot off the ground. It should only be an inch or two , and then that

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helps to, uh, bring it in and, and form that, that

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crown so he knows exactly what to do. All the operators, uh,

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I believe know exactly what to do. It's just how, how they're doing it,

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just they need to work on getting it, getting it right. Thank

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you for sharing that. Yeah, they did some practice out on tucker road.

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the reason I know, 'cause I went to the retirement party there last week, but they were telling me

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about it. So they trained out on tucker road, just west

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of the trailer parks yep. And how to cut the ditches and crown. So if you want

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to see what they're doing, go out there and look at it because it's pretty impressive

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the way they smoothed off the outside. Yeah. So inside, yeah.

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yeah. Uh, we drove that stretch as well. Um, and

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yeah, ideally that, that ditch actually extends all the way out to

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that right away instead of a small little, uh, ditch along the

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side. Um, so we did receive compliments

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on tucker road, specifically fred bloom called to

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share his, um, he said he knows that we don't get thanked

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very often or recognized for what we do, and he wanted to share that.

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well, and I would just add for commissioner fuller, the gentleman that spoke, that

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was before any of our guys that had their ditch training, so hopefully now

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they've kind of had a little practice. One thing just for administration to

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consider, um, with the culverts, uh, I have been

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talked to by several people out in the rural parts who had installed their

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own culverts years ago. Some of those have been collapsed by the county

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mowing the ditches. And so that should probably a situation where

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there would need to be some discussion about who's actually gonna, are we gonna reclaim

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those? Are we gonna replace them? Who's gonna pay for that?

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so, um, the, to put in

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the entrance, the statute, it's an existing entrance where yeah. Right,

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right. The, the owner had put their own culvert in, that was then collapsed

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00:35:06,005 --> 00:35:09,765
by county mowing. Yeah. So going forward, the county

462
00:35:10,075 --> 00:35:13,755
does maintain that because they have to be able to maintain the ditch. So they, they

463
00:35:14,325 --> 00:35:17,865
maintain that culvert. So they've got a, so that that is, um,

464
00:35:18,745 --> 00:35:22,665
yes, the owner, uh, needs to pay for the

465
00:35:23,205 --> 00:35:26,885
construction of the entrance themselves, but going forward the county maintains that.

466
00:35:27,665 --> 00:35:31,465
and, and that's purely so that, uh, the

467
00:35:31,685 --> 00:35:35,605
county makes sure that we've got, uh, flow through the oh, no, I agree. Yeah,

468
00:35:35,945 --> 00:35:39,925
I'm just saying we may have situations where we need to work out who's gonna deal with

469
00:35:40,125 --> 00:35:44,045
something that's been collapsed mm-hmm . And that's maybe something

470
00:35:44,325 --> 00:35:47,075
mark needs to be in on deciding. Yeah.

471
00:35:50,925 --> 00:35:53,635
anything else? Okay, good.

472
00:35:55,225 --> 00:35:59,205
um, just moving on, uh, h triple r, uh, high risk

473
00:35:59,365 --> 00:36:03,225
rural roads, uh, the culver extensions on the sent cutoff, um,

474
00:36:04,255 --> 00:36:08,025
originally we were, uh, looking at doing that work, uh,

475
00:36:08,425 --> 00:36:11,905
or letting that work in in march. Um,

476
00:36:12,635 --> 00:36:16,165
have had some issues with, uh, uh, there are four

477
00:36:17,085 --> 00:36:20,805
property owners. Uh, two of them are under contract for sale, so that's really

478
00:36:21,125 --> 00:36:25,105
complicated, the appraisal, um, and, and

479
00:36:25,325 --> 00:36:29,145
the right of way acquisitions. Um, we

480
00:36:29,365 --> 00:36:33,305
do have an appraiser who, um, has,

481
00:36:34,585 --> 00:36:38,365
has come forward, said, uh, his fee would be, you know, $11,000

482
00:36:39,705 --> 00:36:43,585
and would not be able to get to it until towards the end of february. Uh, so

483
00:36:43,805 --> 00:36:46,965
we're trying to get an, an estimate of just compensation,

484
00:36:47,865 --> 00:36:51,705
uh, otherwise, 'cause like, like I said, some of those, uh, properties are for

485
00:36:51,955 --> 00:36:55,805
sale or, or, or under contract. I think, uh, one of them

486
00:36:56,305 --> 00:37:00,105
is gonna be closing, I believe this week. The other one may be as much as six

487
00:37:00,545 --> 00:37:04,465
months down the road because it's a 10 31 exchange. Uh, if we

488
00:37:04,775 --> 00:37:08,525
would to were to know what that sale price is, then I,

489
00:37:09,385 --> 00:37:13,325
we think that that might be good enough for an appraisal. Uh, I mean, 'cause

490
00:37:13,445 --> 00:37:17,105
that's the real value is who's gonna pay, who's paying for it, right. So

491
00:37:17,655 --> 00:37:21,305
we're working on that. Um, try to, trying to get, get that all

492
00:37:21,765 --> 00:37:25,505
buttoned up so that we can, uh, actually let that work in

493
00:37:26,385 --> 00:37:26,665
in may.

494
00:37:30,435 --> 00:37:33,355
um, fiscal year, 28

495
00:37:34,535 --> 00:37:38,455
h triple r applications, they are open and, uh, open till

496
00:37:38,895 --> 00:37:42,535
december 31st. Uh, we are gonna work on submitting an application

497
00:37:43,115 --> 00:37:46,425
for, uh, uh, all new signs,

498
00:37:47,595 --> 00:37:51,495
uh, east, uh, sorry, west of west, west side of the

499
00:37:51,615 --> 00:37:55,485
county. Basically everything west of 83. Uh, and that

500
00:37:55,775 --> 00:37:59,555
would be, uh, what's called systemic uh,

501
00:38:00,125 --> 00:38:03,735
modifications. And that is paid for a hundred percent by k

502
00:38:04,365 --> 00:38:07,925
kdot if, uh, we were to win that, that,

503
00:38:08,555 --> 00:38:11,775
uh, grant. So we are gonna file an application for that.

504
00:38:12,795 --> 00:38:16,535
uh, we'll see if we can, um, get that,

505
00:38:16,955 --> 00:38:20,935
uh, application approved. So that, that's all

506
00:38:21,055 --> 00:38:24,975
I had. Any questions? Any questions for

507
00:38:25,175 --> 00:38:28,895
steve? Thank you so much for all your hard work. Thank you. Thank you.

508
00:38:31,725 --> 00:38:34,945
move to item number six, tax sale update.

509
00:38:45,595 --> 00:38:47,925
evening commissioners, mary rose county treasurer

510
00:38:49,715 --> 00:38:50,455
over few staff.

511
00:39:07,345 --> 00:39:09,925
so we had the tax sale, that was friday, december 12th, 2025.

512
00:39:12,585 --> 00:39:16,405
we had, um, 28 parcels that were up on the tax sale. Um, two were

513
00:39:16,645 --> 00:39:20,615
removed, therefore we did su successfully sell 26 outta

514
00:39:20,965 --> 00:39:24,445
that tax sale. We had 62 registered, uh, qualified buyers

515
00:39:25,185 --> 00:39:28,105
and 43 of them showed up. And, um,

516
00:39:29,385 --> 00:39:33,125
I'd like to say thank you to the public because we did, uh, receive all of our bidding

517
00:39:33,485 --> 00:39:37,125
paddles back for the next sale that will be hopefully going on in january.

518
00:39:38,625 --> 00:39:41,845
um, with that, uh, we did have a total of 656,000,

519
00:39:43,145 --> 00:39:46,045
um, taxes due out of those parcels, and we did have 457,000

520
00:39:47,505 --> 00:39:51,205
in proceeds. Um, and we will be holding those proceeds at least for

521
00:39:51,605 --> 00:39:55,565
14 days, uh, make sure everything clears and then we will be transferring them

522
00:39:55,915 --> 00:39:59,835
over to the county treasurer. I do ask tonight that,

523
00:40:01,025 --> 00:40:04,905
um, to have a vote for a specific fund or um,

524
00:40:05,285 --> 00:40:08,945
a tax sell proceed, this is where all of the money would go

525
00:40:09,395 --> 00:40:13,025
into, um, for a tax sale and that would be held. Um,

526
00:40:13,905 --> 00:40:17,785
the account, we do know the account number has been generated, um,

527
00:40:18,225 --> 00:40:21,905
due to some confusion prior to the, uh, tax sale. Um,

528
00:40:22,285 --> 00:40:25,925
I, I do need a vote to make sure when I receive those funds from the sheriff sheriff's office, the, that

529
00:40:26,325 --> 00:40:30,045
I can deposit these in those funds, um, moving forward in proceedings

530
00:40:30,645 --> 00:40:34,465
with all tax sales. So I will need a vote to, um,

531
00:40:34,905 --> 00:40:38,025
create that fund, uh, and to deposit those funds in.

532
00:40:39,745 --> 00:40:41,745
the other thing moving forward is, um,

533
00:40:44,025 --> 00:40:47,845
we are in full tax mode in the treasurer's office.

534
00:40:48,225 --> 00:40:51,965
and so on wednesday, december 10th, I did get an update from c glendale

535
00:40:52,345 --> 00:40:56,265
astrom about that tax sell. Um, they are waiting on

536
00:40:56,625 --> 00:41:00,385
me to, um, get the final accounting for the parcels that's going into that tax

537
00:41:00,635 --> 00:41:04,395
sale. Um, due to, I have not got them that

538
00:41:04,685 --> 00:41:08,605
information as of date, but that does not mean it is not coming. It's just

539
00:41:08,795 --> 00:41:12,365
I've been really busy and playing catch up from last week. We did have court proceedings,

540
00:41:13,065 --> 00:41:17,045
um, in the district court and so I did have a lot of traffic and need to address a lot of

541
00:41:17,165 --> 00:41:20,965
my constituents on that. So I have been extremely busy with that

542
00:41:21,225 --> 00:41:25,025
and the tax sale and other issues going on with, um, taking in

543
00:41:25,245 --> 00:41:26,165
the, um, collections of taxes.

544
00:41:30,665 --> 00:41:34,645
so as far as um, collections of the cbk, we are still in collections with

545
00:41:34,805 --> 00:41:38,565
that. Um, they are still proceeding forward as far as, um, doing court

546
00:41:38,845 --> 00:41:42,725
dates for people. Um, the phone call I got today was the other, um, proceedings

547
00:41:43,245 --> 00:41:47,005
will start wednesday and thursday of next week. They are sending those over for judgments as well.

548
00:41:47,865 --> 00:41:51,625
so that is with, um, the collections on personal property. So

549
00:41:51,925 --> 00:41:55,805
we are moving forward with that. Any questions about the tax sale?

550
00:42:09,875 --> 00:42:13,585
okay, so I just do need a vote to um, create that fund for,

551
00:42:14,135 --> 00:42:18,085
how'd you do those funds before though? On tax sales? So I

552
00:42:18,205 --> 00:42:22,165
was not treasurer at that point in time. I do not know how they did that. I do believe at

553
00:42:22,365 --> 00:42:26,325
that point in time that maybe sheriff handled that and then it went through district court. We're handling this

554
00:42:26,445 --> 00:42:30,225
a little bit different because we are contracted out through clinda astrom

555
00:42:30,825 --> 00:42:34,805
who, um, is um, this particular funding has mirrored

556
00:42:35,205 --> 00:42:38,965
that. And so with that being said, the instructions of how we proceed forward

557
00:42:39,235 --> 00:42:43,205
with the funding, um, was given to me. So I think prior to that it was

558
00:42:43,365 --> 00:42:47,205
through the sheriff and they handled those proceeds and then wrote the county treasurer check

559
00:42:47,485 --> 00:42:51,445
and then they put that money toward the taxes. But you've collected some, there

560
00:42:51,765 --> 00:42:55,685
was is out of the 50 or 60 parcels only 26,

561
00:42:57,815 --> 00:43:01,645
right? 26 were sold to, were remove removed and right. They only put in the next tax redeemed.

562
00:43:02,205 --> 00:43:06,085
so where did that money go to? So, um, that went on

563
00:43:06,245 --> 00:43:10,245
the tax books, the, um, delinquent county redemption delinquent taxes

564
00:43:11,025 --> 00:43:14,985
and then distributed out. Um, uh, nathan is in

565
00:43:15,205 --> 00:43:18,805
contact about some of the stuff that was redeemed, um, through district court and those funds.

566
00:43:19,705 --> 00:43:23,515
but the county's portion, like

567
00:43:23,865 --> 00:43:27,455
for the budget, the county's portion of the delinquent taxes

568
00:43:27,875 --> 00:43:31,125
that have been collected. So any tax that's collected in my office

569
00:43:32,025 --> 00:43:35,865
is then distributed out to the entities at distribution time the

570
00:43:36,085 --> 00:43:39,545
five times of the year. So if I receive those delinquent taxes in

571
00:43:40,135 --> 00:43:42,365
march, they're gonna be distributed out in may.

572
00:43:45,585 --> 00:43:49,445
is that what you're asking? It doesn't go in a holding

573
00:43:49,715 --> 00:43:53,205
fund. Like it goes in the delinquent. So you've been collecting

574
00:43:55,025 --> 00:43:58,825
for a few months now. For what? For

575
00:43:59,285 --> 00:44:03,205
personal property, for people coming in are paying up their personal property, delinquent

576
00:44:04,165 --> 00:44:08,025
personal property and about half or more of the

577
00:44:08,995 --> 00:44:12,905
last tax sale, those properties are redeem prior to

578
00:44:13,125 --> 00:44:16,945
the tax sale. And those are going into funds specifically for,

579
00:44:17,625 --> 00:44:19,575
um, delinquent taxes.

580
00:44:23,345 --> 00:44:26,925
and then those funds are then distributed out at the time of distribution.

581
00:44:28,705 --> 00:44:32,445
so the seward county distribution mm-hmm . Where's that money going

582
00:44:32,725 --> 00:44:36,385
to go to? It goes to the

583
00:44:36,835 --> 00:44:40,765
general fund. When it's distributed, it's a je it's done internally

584
00:44:41,425 --> 00:44:44,925
and it goes to the funds and then the clerk's office puts all of those funds, the money in those funds

585
00:44:49,135 --> 00:44:52,765
entry. What do you, I guess I don't understand the question.

586
00:44:53,905 --> 00:44:57,685
the funds that the county go, the funds that the money, the money that the county gets from

587
00:44:58,165 --> 00:45:01,565
distribution is done internally. It's done through a je, which is a voucher,

588
00:45:02,385 --> 00:45:05,125
and those funds are put into those, that money is put into those funds.

589
00:45:06,715 --> 00:45:10,525
that is, is that what that's where I'm, yeah. So, so I brought

590
00:45:10,795 --> 00:45:14,725
this up, right? I brought this up before. I will just make the motion rather than arguing

591
00:45:15,015 --> 00:45:18,815
about it, that the se county portion of any delinquent

592
00:45:20,175 --> 00:45:23,245
taxes from the tax sale just held last week

593
00:45:24,505 --> 00:45:28,075
or the cbk or the clinda osterman, that this,

594
00:45:28,515 --> 00:45:32,285
this county's portion, whether it be fees, interest or taxes,

595
00:45:33,175 --> 00:45:35,885
would be deposited into a,

596
00:45:37,505 --> 00:45:40,525
you know, for lack of a better word, the lan repayment fund

597
00:45:41,555 --> 00:45:45,555
account. So it goes into, they each have

598
00:45:45,965 --> 00:45:49,785
a different fund for each one. Like 6 89 is current tax, 6 94

599
00:45:50,525 --> 00:45:53,965
is delinquent. All of those fund, all of that money goes in those funds

600
00:45:54,825 --> 00:45:58,645
and then at distribution it pulls it from how much each entity is supposed to get from that.

601
00:46:02,435 --> 00:46:06,175
mary, correct me if I'm wrong, but it, those

602
00:46:06,655 --> 00:46:10,305
funds are levied. So even when we collect on a delinquent tax,

603
00:46:12,015 --> 00:46:16,005
those funds are levied and that's how you're gonna do the distribution. So I don't

604
00:46:16,205 --> 00:46:20,175
know that we can deviate from saying that all of that money needs

605
00:46:20,525 --> 00:46:24,135
to go towards the r kalin. Those

606
00:46:24,535 --> 00:46:28,525
taxes are set at budget time and those levies are set. And so when she makes

607
00:46:28,845 --> 00:46:32,825
a distribution, that's where that money has to go on the tax

608
00:46:33,485 --> 00:46:37,275
distribution. And if they're delinquent taxes, it's gonna show

609
00:46:37,625 --> 00:46:41,405
on their, um, check what year it was paid for and it's automatically

610
00:46:41,805 --> 00:46:45,405
gonna pull that over to those delinquent from that delinquent fund.

611
00:46:50,205 --> 00:46:50,605
I have a motion

612
00:46:54,725 --> 00:46:58,545
a second. I just need you to, can, can we get a legal opinion? Can we do

613
00:46:59,005 --> 00:47:01,365
this forest? Is this something we can do?

614
00:47:06,145 --> 00:47:09,965
in other words, could we create the fund steve is talking about and put the delinquent

615
00:47:10,445 --> 00:47:14,125
taxes in there? That seems to be the question. Can we actually do that ear market

616
00:47:14,465 --> 00:47:18,405
for the, for the r kaylin fund? Just earmark it. Don't have a

617
00:47:18,525 --> 00:47:21,035
special fund. What

618
00:47:22,545 --> 00:47:25,085
or either way he on there. Is there attorney forest or you on there?

619
00:47:28,285 --> 00:47:32,265
yeah, on okay. You ask your question. So

620
00:47:33,795 --> 00:47:37,585
turn it up so we can hear him. Scott, the delinquent, the,

621
00:47:37,825 --> 00:47:41,365
the county's portion, not the entire amount, the county's portion

622
00:47:42,625 --> 00:47:46,235
of the previous tax foreclosure sale,

623
00:47:47,965 --> 00:47:51,825
previous personal property collections through cbk and

624
00:47:53,105 --> 00:47:55,605
the upcoming or current clinda osterman

625
00:47:57,275 --> 00:48:01,085
real estate taxes, those collections, my motion

626
00:48:01,345 --> 00:48:05,345
was to put that into the, uh, repayment fund for

627
00:48:05,705 --> 00:48:08,805
our kalen rather than just in the general budget

628
00:48:10,825 --> 00:48:10,825
or,

629
00:48:15,385 --> 00:48:19,165
and the que and I guess I, I don't know what the, when you say

630
00:48:19,565 --> 00:48:23,485
repayment fund, is that a, is that an official fund within our budget or is that

631
00:48:23,605 --> 00:48:27,605
simply, are you using the term fund legally or just generically that

632
00:48:27,845 --> 00:48:31,685
we want to set it aside for that purpose? Earmark it.

633
00:48:32,145 --> 00:48:34,915
we have a line item in the general fund

634
00:48:36,555 --> 00:48:40,055
that is listed as money set aside

635
00:48:41,025 --> 00:48:44,625
for it. It just says, um, protested tax.

636
00:48:45,085 --> 00:48:48,625
I don't believe that. Or it, it could say

637
00:48:49,125 --> 00:48:52,965
r kaylin, but it's within the general fund. It's not

638
00:48:53,485 --> 00:48:57,395
a separate fund. It's a line item within the general fund.

639
00:48:59,425 --> 00:49:03,205
and then what then what's the question for me? So the question,

640
00:49:03,605 --> 00:49:07,425
I believe that commissioner do that well, I believe the

641
00:49:07,805 --> 00:49:10,405
question from commissioner helm is the county's portion

642
00:49:12,065 --> 00:49:15,805
of the delinquent tax. So not all taxing entities but the county's portion

643
00:49:16,145 --> 00:49:19,925
of the delinquent tax. He would, he is

644
00:49:20,285 --> 00:49:24,205
making a motion that the money that we collect on the county's portion

645
00:49:24,505 --> 00:49:28,165
of the delinquent tax, can it be set aside in that

646
00:49:28,725 --> 00:49:32,295
specific line item for repayment to the r kalin,

647
00:49:33,345 --> 00:49:36,355
um, ethanol pending case

648
00:49:37,705 --> 00:49:41,245
or does it have to be well, that, that was his question,

649
00:49:42,595 --> 00:49:46,525
correct. Did I say that right? Yes. You're not seeking

650
00:49:46,865 --> 00:49:50,805
to amend the budget, you're just saying you want to make sure that money gets set aside and

651
00:49:51,005 --> 00:49:54,765
not spent on something else. Correct. And then so I just need to

652
00:49:56,275 --> 00:50:00,165
mention that we have budget hearings and we publish the budget

653
00:50:01,025 --> 00:50:04,155
to collect tax on certain statutory authorities.

654
00:50:06,105 --> 00:50:09,915
and so when she's collecting the tax, that portion has to go into

655
00:50:10,205 --> 00:50:13,325
each one of those. Same with the city school, every taxing entity.

656
00:50:14,385 --> 00:50:18,365
so you can't levy tax for one reason and put it over here for some other reason

657
00:50:20,345 --> 00:50:23,525
and change the budget or do a transfer within your budget,

658
00:50:24,485 --> 00:50:27,285
I would imagine to do that. But in collecting taxes,

659
00:50:28,785 --> 00:50:32,765
you can't just change mid-year where you're gonna put that money that you're collecting.

660
00:50:33,325 --> 00:50:37,285
I do know that for a fact. And it's mainly, well, if I understand the question right,

661
00:50:37,825 --> 00:50:41,825
the the motion isn't to affect the money that's going to go to cities or

662
00:50:42,045 --> 00:50:45,485
school districts around the taxing entities. That money would be distributed

663
00:50:46,825 --> 00:50:50,585
to those entities. The question is, what about the tax revenue that's

664
00:50:51,005 --> 00:50:54,885
left over? That would be the county yes, correct. Correct.

665
00:50:55,465 --> 00:50:58,965
the county's portion only. So you, that will,

666
00:50:59,705 --> 00:51:03,325
it would go back, I think into the general fund and you decide how to spend

667
00:51:03,725 --> 00:51:07,645
it. Or if your, if the motion and the approval is to not spend it, then you

668
00:51:07,805 --> 00:51:11,645
would just decide that that money is not spent. If, if I understand

669
00:51:11,925 --> 00:51:15,725
it this, was there a budget item? What? Did the budget contemplate money coming

670
00:51:16,025 --> 00:51:19,465
in from the sale? No, no, no, no.

671
00:51:20,745 --> 00:51:24,725
and did you don't have a revenue item there that that already accounts for what we

672
00:51:25,165 --> 00:51:27,365
expected to get from the sale? No. Correct.

673
00:51:31,345 --> 00:51:34,915
and I guess this account is a line item within the general fund?

674
00:51:37,195 --> 00:51:40,635
that is correct. It is a line item within the general fund.

675
00:51:47,075 --> 00:51:50,975
the, if the, I think the ultimate question would be can you just,

676
00:51:51,755 --> 00:51:55,555
can you just set that money aside, the county's portion again, that's all we're talking about, is

677
00:51:55,775 --> 00:51:59,605
the, is the portion of those proceeds that, that the county will

678
00:51:59,935 --> 00:52:03,775
keep at the end of the day after everything else is distributed to the other taxing entities,

679
00:52:04,595 --> 00:52:08,535
can you simply set that aside and make sure it doesn't get spent and you can decide what

680
00:52:08,815 --> 00:52:12,455
you want to spend it on later. Your, your goal would be to spend it on the, the settlement.

681
00:52:13,315 --> 00:52:17,215
um, when, when or not settlement, the resolution of that. When,

682
00:52:17,605 --> 00:52:21,595
when there's ultimately a division. I don't see a problem with doing that. You're

683
00:52:22,015 --> 00:52:25,785
just deciding not to spend revenue to found money. Right.

684
00:52:26,275 --> 00:52:30,135
so forest, the only other thing that I wanna point out too is part of that distribution

685
00:52:30,455 --> 00:52:34,135
goes to roll fire district and part of that distribution

686
00:52:34,565 --> 00:52:38,335
goes to a mill levy that's set for road and bridge. And to me,

687
00:52:38,585 --> 00:52:42,455
we're talking about two different things, but actually it's been combined

688
00:52:42,615 --> 00:52:46,435
into one, there's a difference between the delinquent taxes collected and

689
00:52:46,835 --> 00:52:50,635
the tax sale money collected. Correct. Delinquent taxes have to go to

690
00:52:51,135 --> 00:52:55,115
wherever they were levied for. Period. Tax

691
00:52:55,335 --> 00:52:59,255
sale money is a whole different subject. Well, s

692
00:52:59,515 --> 00:53:03,435
so on the tax sale money, some of this money will go toward the

693
00:53:03,655 --> 00:53:07,565
taxes due on those parcels. And so, um, when

694
00:53:08,075 --> 00:53:11,975
the distribution is done for this tax sale, 'cause I'll have to do it separate.

695
00:53:12,085 --> 00:53:15,975
I'll have to do a separate distribution for this. I'll just withdraw

696
00:53:16,135 --> 00:53:19,785
my motion and spend the money however you want to. And we'll, about the arcade later,

697
00:53:20,395 --> 00:53:23,345
and I was just gonna say whenever I do the distribution, it'll,

698
00:53:24,665 --> 00:53:28,565
it'll just say on there, county has this amount and is

699
00:53:28,765 --> 00:53:32,745
delinquent for this amount. And then when that, when that goes into, um,

700
00:53:33,665 --> 00:53:37,645
the, I guess goes over to the clerk's off when I do the, I call it a voucher

701
00:53:37,845 --> 00:53:41,425
because it's done internally the money, but it'll tell us how much that money is

702
00:53:41,865 --> 00:53:45,745
and then I guess from there you could move it to a fund that you wish to

703
00:53:45,985 --> 00:53:49,405
put that money into to allocate it for whichever you want to.

704
00:53:50,225 --> 00:53:53,805
we would know at that point in time it is delinquent because anything after 2024

705
00:53:54,725 --> 00:53:58,545
is delinquent. Um, so it is possible to know the figure, it

706
00:53:58,765 --> 00:54:02,525
is possible to put it into a fund, but you're going to have to

707
00:54:02,945 --> 00:54:06,885
put it where, where we're supposed to go and then move it to where you want

708
00:54:07,085 --> 00:54:10,565
it to go. Does that make sense?

709
00:54:11,225 --> 00:54:15,165
so as stacia was saying, we'll do it, would do have to do a transfer? It would have to

710
00:54:15,245 --> 00:54:18,555
be as far as I know, I think we need to research. Yeah,

711
00:54:19,305 --> 00:54:22,115
but you're saying that the delinquent taxes that are collected, correct.

712
00:54:23,465 --> 00:54:27,365
or on the tax cell correct. Delinquent taxes. Yes, they are. They go towards

713
00:54:27,645 --> 00:54:31,525
that property. That property is in taxed in oh oh two mm-hmm . Which is

714
00:54:31,845 --> 00:54:35,395
sma city. So everybody lives in business city pays

715
00:54:36,405 --> 00:54:40,295
cemetery and everything else. So that money goes to those entities based

716
00:54:40,645 --> 00:54:44,615
on their budgets and their levy set for that year. Correct. Yeah, it'll

717
00:54:44,965 --> 00:54:48,825
be a separate, I mean it'll be a separate distribution to do the tax sale. Um,

718
00:54:50,905 --> 00:54:54,525
but I, I mean 'cause I don't know, I don't know

719
00:54:55,665 --> 00:54:59,645
the total ins and outs as far as, you know, what we're gonna

720
00:54:59,765 --> 00:55:03,165
have the ending dollar for the county. I don't know that until we process everything

721
00:55:04,025 --> 00:55:07,905
and we're still, you know, counsel and I are still in discussion with that. But

722
00:55:08,175 --> 00:55:12,125
steve, it is possible to move the proceeds once it's levied out,

723
00:55:12,245 --> 00:55:15,945
correct? Once it's levied out. Yes

724
00:55:16,305 --> 00:55:18,485
sir. I would think that that is plausible

725
00:55:24,825 --> 00:55:28,265
and that is why, um, what I understand from clinda, latrom is why

726
00:55:28,915 --> 00:55:32,905
they would prefer to have a totally separate fund for tax proceeds, especially for

727
00:55:33,125 --> 00:55:36,945
this, because of the steps that's gonna have to be taken to

728
00:55:37,185 --> 00:55:40,685
do the, the distribution and all the payouts and stuff.

729
00:55:53,185 --> 00:55:57,085
any other questions for mary? Still waiting on motion. I'm still waiting on

730
00:55:57,325 --> 00:56:00,395
a motion to create the tax, um, sale proceeds fund.

731
00:56:05,455 --> 00:56:09,415
I make a motion. Why is that

732
00:56:09,535 --> 00:56:13,515
necessary? I just don't understand why is it necessary? Um,

733
00:56:13,915 --> 00:56:14,775
let me see if I have that email.

734
00:56:25,945 --> 00:56:29,445
it says that it allows them to surrogate and track all redemption feess and tell proceeds

735
00:56:29,965 --> 00:56:33,965
in one place occasionally, um, that they collect the funds and they hold

736
00:56:34,165 --> 00:56:38,145
them into the general account and that they would earmark on the tax foreclosure and

737
00:56:38,365 --> 00:56:42,165
they would suggest that that not happen in this circumstance. They ask that

738
00:56:42,685 --> 00:56:46,445
treasurers try to, um, make special funds or special

739
00:56:46,925 --> 00:56:50,805
checking accounts. What do you want the

740
00:56:50,965 --> 00:56:53,965
fund called? It's the fund is called tax sale proceeds

741
00:56:56,505 --> 00:57:00,485
and all tax sale proceeds will go to that fund. That is

742
00:57:00,645 --> 00:57:04,365
correct. Is this something

743
00:57:04,665 --> 00:57:08,515
new? It is new for me and I think new for the county, like

744
00:57:08,805 --> 00:57:12,685
I said. 'cause we we're at that point in time, we're in collection of the tax sales.

745
00:57:13,625 --> 00:57:17,385
um, this is kind of the final step of where to put the money at. Um,

746
00:57:18,145 --> 00:57:22,005
so we are trying to move forward doing

747
00:57:22,325 --> 00:57:25,805
this every year and to do it every year I need to have a funds

748
00:57:26,385 --> 00:57:29,885
put in there. So sheriff and I and district court under um, agreements

749
00:57:30,545 --> 00:57:34,545
of what those funds are and they're allocated and go to the appropriated. Um,

750
00:57:35,595 --> 00:57:39,325
have you reached out to other county treasurers and see what their procedure was? The clin

751
00:57:39,725 --> 00:57:43,525
elast, um, has several county, um, and surrounding, actually they have like

752
00:57:43,885 --> 00:57:47,685
17 in our 27 area southwest. And that is their recommendation

753
00:57:48,585 --> 00:57:52,565
in handling that. And smaller counties had created separate

754
00:57:52,965 --> 00:57:56,485
checking accounts. I don't feel like that that's a need to have a separate checking account.

755
00:57:57,445 --> 00:58:01,405
I feel like the need is to have a separate fund. Well I would make a motion that we

756
00:58:01,565 --> 00:58:05,045
create a tax seal proceeds fund or account as may be necessary

757
00:58:05,585 --> 00:58:09,425
for the clerk with all proceeds from tax sales to depo be

758
00:58:09,645 --> 00:58:13,565
deposited to said account. I would second that

759
00:58:13,865 --> 00:58:16,485
if you would amend that no funds would be spent out of that account.

760
00:58:19,745 --> 00:58:23,685
uh, I will add that amendment that funds will not be spent from the account. I don't think

761
00:58:23,765 --> 00:58:24,125
they could be.

762
00:58:28,535 --> 00:58:29,585
okay. I'll withdraw my second.

763
00:58:34,295 --> 00:58:38,265
well we just added your modification. I thought you said no. No, he he added

764
00:58:38,625 --> 00:58:42,415
I added it. He added it. Okay. So is your second back

765
00:58:43,065 --> 00:58:46,705
? I'll take my second back then I'll make the second . Okay,

766
00:58:47,355 --> 00:58:51,025
we'll cater. There's motion by commissioner stan second by commissioner.

767
00:58:52,225 --> 00:58:53,905
helm should have right hands for approval.

768
00:58:56,375 --> 00:58:57,245
okay. Three two

769
00:59:03,025 --> 00:59:07,025
. Okay. And I do want to just let everybody know 'cause it seems to

770
00:59:07,145 --> 00:59:10,965
be some confusion, um, how the statements, the tax

771
00:59:11,185 --> 00:59:15,065
statements went out, um, that I did send out two

772
00:59:15,225 --> 00:59:19,145
emails to you guys. Commissioners. One dated 1113 of 2025

773
00:59:19,805 --> 00:59:23,565
and one dated 1125. 2025. It seems that there's

774
00:59:23,885 --> 00:59:27,705
some, um, not truthful stuff going out in the community. Um,

775
00:59:28,265 --> 00:59:32,245
we never stopped not working on statements or tax roll

776
00:59:32,585 --> 00:59:36,225
for 20 25, 20 26. And I did send that email out

777
00:59:36,825 --> 00:59:40,665
on, um, on october 31st. The

778
00:59:40,885 --> 00:59:44,825
clerk's office did give us those tax rolls from that moment on. We, um,

779
00:59:45,305 --> 00:59:48,705
did start printing on the tax rolls, which is we,

780
00:59:49,545 --> 00:59:53,485
um, printed, we bind and we put 'em in the basement november 3rd and november 4th

781
00:59:54,435 --> 00:59:58,305
from there, no, on wednesday, november 5th we started, um,

782
00:59:58,805 --> 01:00:02,625
printing state assess 1620 and personal property. Um,

783
01:00:02,855 --> 01:00:06,765
those went out, um, november 5th. From that we actually

784
01:00:06,885 --> 01:00:10,885
went out, um, we started on gas and oil. We had 12,000 statements on

785
01:00:11,105 --> 01:00:15,105
gas and 2000, 2,700 on oil from that. We

786
01:00:15,325 --> 01:00:18,325
started doing that on november 17th and the 18th

787
01:00:19,345 --> 01:00:22,485
we did get those printed and we finally got those mailed out.

788
01:00:23,945 --> 01:00:27,925
now the real estate there was, we did have some software programs. We also

789
01:00:28,125 --> 01:00:32,125
had several other things that happened. The software program was only on real estate

790
01:00:32,625 --> 01:00:36,465
and that was the way it was printing. We were waiting on

791
01:00:36,725 --> 01:00:40,095
a workaround from cic. We did do a workaround

792
01:00:41,025 --> 01:00:44,485
and print started printing those off. Um, november 19th

793
01:00:45,125 --> 01:00:48,725
through the 21st. From there we worked

794
01:00:49,325 --> 01:00:53,205
saturday and sunday we were gonna work on sunday. We worked saturday the 22nd on getting those

795
01:00:53,565 --> 01:00:57,545
real estate taxes out on sunday. We were gonna work, but

796
01:00:58,025 --> 01:01:01,845
we had a severe storm and it was lightning and raining. So we did call off

797
01:01:02,185 --> 01:01:05,965
on the 23rd. From there,

798
01:01:08,505 --> 01:01:12,465
we um, did go and we did, uh, put those in the mail on

799
01:01:12,745 --> 01:01:16,315
the 23rd, 24th, right before thanksgiving because

800
01:01:16,805 --> 01:01:20,085
we had to finish up on the 20 that monday, which was the 24th.

801
01:01:21,405 --> 01:01:25,365
I you have my days right? Yeah. So we mailed them on the 25th. We did take those

802
01:01:25,545 --> 01:01:29,385
to, we took the real estate to mead and because of the

803
01:01:29,605 --> 01:01:33,205
fact that we had a 24 hour turnaround, that's what we were told.

804
01:01:33,945 --> 01:01:37,755
um, and so the other ones did go through the city,

805
01:01:38,665 --> 01:01:42,425
um, postal service here in liberal. I want to let

806
01:01:42,785 --> 01:01:46,685
the public know that none of those were thrown away. None of those were not printed

807
01:01:47,065 --> 01:01:50,945
off. We printed off and stuffed every single one of those. We

808
01:01:51,235 --> 01:01:54,785
also mailed those out and we did not do that to,

809
01:01:55,425 --> 01:01:59,365
um, make sure that people would come in our office to fill out voter forms. So all of it went

810
01:01:59,605 --> 01:02:03,445
out per statute. It had to be postmarked by december 15th. And from

811
01:02:03,685 --> 01:02:07,465
there we did do that. Why was, uh, not included on the

812
01:02:07,965 --> 01:02:11,925
statements that you could pay 'em online? Nowhere on there. Does it say

813
01:02:12,125 --> 01:02:15,965
that? And you can, I don't, I don't know why it's not on there. Some of that has

814
01:02:16,165 --> 01:02:19,445
to do with the fact there's not enough room to put everything

815
01:02:20,265 --> 01:02:24,005
on there. Um, some treasures have gone to print it on the envelopes.

816
01:02:24,875 --> 01:02:28,825
some treasures have gone to put sticky stuff on the envelopes. Um, it

817
01:02:29,045 --> 01:02:32,525
just, it's not on there and it's not just our county that uses that software program.

818
01:02:34,505 --> 01:02:38,245
so with that being said, we did start accepting payment on the first.

819
01:02:39,425 --> 01:02:43,185
all of the postage that was done through the post office, um,

820
01:02:43,625 --> 01:02:47,545
has to be verified and therefore they scanned that. And

821
01:02:47,765 --> 01:02:50,685
so when the real estate went out and I took the 20,000,

822
01:02:52,265 --> 01:02:55,845
um, parcel, the pieces of of mail to the post office, they have

823
01:02:56,285 --> 01:03:00,045
to verify that and they have to email or give us a, a

824
01:03:00,635 --> 01:03:04,365
like a scan bar back saying, we verified this is how many pieces of mail we got.

825
01:03:04,905 --> 01:03:08,765
so I want the public to know that that is, um, the, the, um, the truth

826
01:03:08,965 --> 01:03:12,805
behind that. We did have some, a little bit of issues, but it was on real estate

827
01:03:13,345 --> 01:03:17,165
and we did have a workaround normally, um, we always get

828
01:03:17,485 --> 01:03:21,325
'em out before thanksgiving, so we didn't do anything that was outta the unordinary

829
01:03:22,025 --> 01:03:25,245
to do that. Is there any questions about that?

830
01:03:27,145 --> 01:03:30,995
so what was the issue with the worker? So on the real estate, they

831
01:03:31,435 --> 01:03:34,985
were printing, it was double printing. Um, the,

832
01:03:35,825 --> 01:03:39,575
uh, legal, it was double printing the, um, what was taxed

833
01:03:39,945 --> 01:03:43,845
on there. And so normally what would happen is you would download it to

834
01:03:44,045 --> 01:03:47,905
pdf and then you would save it and then start printing from there. Because due

835
01:03:48,345 --> 01:03:52,165
the printers and stuff, we could only do 2000 at a time and then let the printers cool down.

836
01:03:53,705 --> 01:03:57,515
so the workaround was don't pdf it, you have to go in, pull

837
01:03:57,805 --> 01:04:01,765
up the software and tell it, let it completely load, and then you have to go

838
01:04:01,845 --> 01:04:05,705
from what page you wanna print to what page you wanna print. And that was the workaround. And

839
01:04:05,925 --> 01:04:09,925
so the pdf was not able to be used on the real estate

840
01:04:12,705 --> 01:04:16,615
and that was the way that they said it would stop from printing the double lines

841
01:04:17,105 --> 01:04:21,045
of the mill levy and the, the legal, just everything that was

842
01:04:21,125 --> 01:04:23,265
in the middle of the real estate. It was a double lining it.

843
01:04:28,805 --> 01:04:32,745
so what, what, what, what is the purpose of the blue sheet and the memo that you put on

844
01:04:32,905 --> 01:04:36,865
the on for people paying their taxes and protests under

845
01:04:37,065 --> 01:04:41,065
something that's in litigation right now? I I don't understand who gave you the, what gives

846
01:04:41,265 --> 01:04:44,345
you the authority to do that? Okay, so I'm glad you brought that up.

847
01:04:49,125 --> 01:04:52,065
so whenever the tax year started,

848
01:04:53,165 --> 01:04:56,985
we had, um, discussion within the community about the payment under protest.

849
01:04:58,295 --> 01:05:02,025
this is our payment under protest application. Normally we do these on white paper

850
01:05:02,935 --> 01:05:06,425
this year because we found out that the, um, constituents

851
01:05:07,285 --> 01:05:11,115
of s county, um, were going to be doing illegal mill levy, which

852
01:05:11,545 --> 01:05:15,405
I had never heard of before. I decided that we needed to get our

853
01:05:15,725 --> 01:05:19,605
I's dotted and our t's crossed. Okay, so I'm gonna get there

854
01:05:19,995 --> 01:05:23,825
just one moment. You said I decided who

855
01:05:24,045 --> 01:05:27,765
said who? You you just said I decided who's over you. What,

856
01:05:28,105 --> 01:05:31,965
who, who do you I decided what you just said. I decided

857
01:05:32,285 --> 01:05:35,005
to, I was, I decided to call board of tax appeals.

858
01:05:37,425 --> 01:05:41,405
so we decided that we were gonna use two different forms. This is where

859
01:05:41,525 --> 01:05:45,365
I was going with that. We decided that to use the yellow one, which

860
01:05:45,565 --> 01:05:49,565
goes to the county appraisers and then the blue one was gonna

861
01:05:49,725 --> 01:05:53,705
go to the county treasure. We wanted to see what kind of paper we

862
01:05:54,085 --> 01:05:57,925
had in stock so we didn't have to charge any more money to the taxpayer.

863
01:05:59,115 --> 01:06:02,925
talking to the accounting appraiser, I said, are you okay with

864
01:06:03,275 --> 01:06:06,965
blue being the illegal melody levy and yellow being the valuation?

865
01:06:07,745 --> 01:06:11,485
and she said, I think that would be perfect. So then I called board of tax appeals

866
01:06:12,425 --> 01:06:16,125
and I said, I need to know all of the ins and outs, what I need to do because

867
01:06:16,465 --> 01:06:20,285
the county treasurer is in charge of this part. The illegal

868
01:06:20,565 --> 01:06:24,045
mill levy up on that discussion, I asked them

869
01:06:24,855 --> 01:06:28,635
about this. Who's decided? It said illegal mill

870
01:06:28,955 --> 01:06:32,565
levy. That's, that's my word too. It says it on there. But who made that?

871
01:06:33,305 --> 01:06:37,285
who decided that it was, that you can make that claim. It's a state, it's a

872
01:06:37,405 --> 01:06:41,365
state form. Any taxpayer can file that form. It's on

873
01:06:41,475 --> 01:06:45,205
boda. Right, right or wrong. They can file it. It's not what we're asking. That's not so, okay.

874
01:06:45,485 --> 01:06:49,085
I misunderstood. Okay. So, so decided. It's already an illegal,

875
01:06:49,785 --> 01:06:53,545
it hasn't even been decided by boda, whether it, so I don't, I'm

876
01:06:54,275 --> 01:06:57,925
abiding to what the constituents are asking for. They asked for the illegal

877
01:06:58,665 --> 01:07:02,665
vy. My office is, is for resources. So

878
01:07:03,565 --> 01:07:07,095
I printed this off, put it on the webpage. Everything

879
01:07:07,765 --> 01:07:10,605
else I didn't know it was, I called boda. I've talked to them.

880
01:07:12,275 --> 01:07:15,825
when I was talking to them, I asked them if

881
01:07:16,405 --> 01:07:20,075
I noticed. We went through the whole sheet, one line for line what,

882
01:07:20,465 --> 01:07:23,635
how to fill it out, what I needed to do. They told me that

883
01:07:24,585 --> 01:07:27,595
the um form had to be notarized.

884
01:07:28,925 --> 01:07:32,825
I said, is it a conflict of interest that my office, notarizes or

885
01:07:33,045 --> 01:07:36,885
anybody of the county notarizes it? They said, absolutely not. I said, is

886
01:07:37,085 --> 01:07:41,045
it a conflict of interest if my office helps fill this out? And they said, absolutely not,

887
01:07:41,165 --> 01:07:45,105
because you also do the payment under protest. I said, okay. So we

888
01:07:45,445 --> 01:07:49,385
got through that. Then after that, I started having people come in and

889
01:07:49,605 --> 01:07:53,065
I asked them. Then I said, I have people coming in that has,

890
01:07:55,065 --> 01:07:59,005
has stuff that they wanna put on there. I said, what is it that I need to

891
01:07:59,125 --> 01:08:02,395
do? And I said, would you accept a label? And she said,

892
01:08:03,305 --> 01:08:07,245
yes, we would accept a label. I said, may I send it to you and you look over it and tell me

893
01:08:07,365 --> 01:08:10,835
if that's acceptable. Now I am in contact with boda

894
01:08:11,415 --> 01:08:15,395
every single day this week. So five days out of the week, I am am in contact with

895
01:08:15,685 --> 01:08:19,605
correspondence or a phone call with them. There is nowhere on this,

896
01:08:20,595 --> 01:08:24,485
this label that it has the opinion of the treasurer nor the opinion

897
01:08:24,745 --> 01:08:27,245
or recommendation of the county treasurer or the county.

898
01:08:29,145 --> 01:08:32,625
my office is simply re giving them resources. The dis the

899
01:08:33,955 --> 01:08:36,105
comment was made if the

900
01:08:38,245 --> 01:08:41,965
taxpayer paid for this. I can't even believe

901
01:08:42,285 --> 01:08:46,195
that that was even a comment or a question. Because the taxpayer pays

902
01:08:46,485 --> 01:08:49,995
for all of this, all of the resources, everything that is done here

903
01:08:50,745 --> 01:08:54,685
is done with all of this. Whether it be evaluation or an illegal

904
01:08:54,965 --> 01:08:57,725
melody. And it's a service that we provide.

905
01:08:59,345 --> 01:09:03,125
I'm sorry, were just asking, I'm sorry. We decided it was illegal. That, that word,

906
01:09:03,365 --> 01:09:07,125
because this had, did you talk while you were talking to voter? Five days a week.

907
01:09:07,545 --> 01:09:11,425
are they aware that we are in litigation right now? Yes. And so, and they, and

908
01:09:11,645 --> 01:09:15,505
you're saying to me that they approved you putting labels on things and

909
01:09:15,965 --> 01:09:19,945
allowing the citizen, no, I'm not putting them. The citizen is at their discretion to

910
01:09:20,225 --> 01:09:24,205
put this or put that on their own words. If they choose to do that,

911
01:09:24,395 --> 01:09:28,325
then that's up to them. This is not saying you need to put

912
01:09:28,445 --> 01:09:32,085
it on there. This is not saying, let me give this to you and tell you what it says.

913
01:09:32,635 --> 01:09:36,345
this is just saying it's there if you would like to use it or if you would like to

914
01:09:36,865 --> 01:09:40,485
use the verbiage, because I don't know what's all going out there, but here's what I have.

915
01:09:40,985 --> 01:09:44,865
but you're not discouraging it. It's almost as if you're insinuating. How

916
01:09:45,085 --> 01:09:48,885
do you know I'm not discouraging it, provide it for 'em. I'm being asked questions about it.

917
01:09:49,395 --> 01:09:53,365
that is not true. I have told them that if they choose not to fill

918
01:09:53,525 --> 01:09:56,235
out the illegal mill levy, that illegal.

919
01:09:58,385 --> 01:10:02,175
that's what it says on it. What's the title of the form? Just so everybody understands that. Where

920
01:10:02,525 --> 01:10:06,365
did you get the statement that you are putting on the label for everybody

921
01:10:06,745 --> 01:10:10,605
to put it on there. 'cause they don't have to if they

922
01:10:10,765 --> 01:10:14,485
choose to. Not to. She said where did you get that statement

923
01:10:14,925 --> 01:10:18,465
from? It was a statement that was given. Who?

924
01:10:19,265 --> 01:10:22,975
who? Who gave, who asked you? The constituents did. Who's

925
01:10:23,325 --> 01:10:26,105
the constituents? The people that vote me in

926
01:10:30,895 --> 01:10:33,995
my office is in charge of making sure that they have all the resources available.

927
01:10:35,215 --> 01:10:38,715
by no means is this a persuasion. By no means is that,

928
01:10:39,495 --> 01:10:43,275
but it is. If they wish to use this, they may. Yes. You're

929
01:10:43,515 --> 01:10:47,435
testing it. So here you go. I mean, to me, if they needed to ask for it, they should

930
01:10:47,555 --> 01:10:51,555
ask for it. And they have that opportunity. They have

931
01:10:51,675 --> 01:10:55,535
that opportunity. The board of tax

932
01:10:55,865 --> 01:10:59,755
appeals. I understood. How is that any different than filling

933
01:11:00,015 --> 01:11:03,875
out this p form? I understand that forms aren't

934
01:11:04,275 --> 01:11:08,155
even being filled out. Allowed. County appraiser, they are

935
01:11:08,355 --> 01:11:11,995
being filled out. We've had several. These are being filled out.

936
01:11:14,715 --> 01:11:18,425
they're not filled out. They're not completing the form in its

937
01:11:18,805 --> 01:11:22,685
entirety. They're just signing their name and turning it into her. She has no idea what they're, so

938
01:11:22,845 --> 01:11:26,825
we have have, we have copies of these that are taken and we also have the stuff that has to be given to

939
01:11:27,045 --> 01:11:30,765
them before we give this to the county appraiser. These are being filled

940
01:11:31,165 --> 01:11:35,005
out, these are being filled out. They're being filled out in my office per statute

941
01:11:35,785 --> 01:11:39,425
and they are being sent to the appropriate person. I have not had

942
01:11:39,825 --> 01:11:43,725
any complaints, nor have I had anything that said what we were doing

943
01:11:44,105 --> 01:11:47,805
was wrong. It would be no different than me giving them

944
01:11:48,125 --> 01:11:49,725
a pen to fill out the form

945
01:11:52,385 --> 01:11:56,285
or the paper to do it. Well it was brought

946
01:11:56,565 --> 01:11:59,805
to us today by said constituents who were concerned about

947
01:12:01,505 --> 01:12:05,165
the form. Are you gonna tell us who those people are? No. 'cause you guys aren't willing to tell yours either.

948
01:12:05,905 --> 01:12:09,225
so, oh, you guys now? Mm-hmm . Okay, let's move on. Um,

949
01:12:09,925 --> 01:12:11,955
I think ahead. Let's move on. Oh gosh.

950
01:12:13,985 --> 01:12:17,845
so that's where we're at with that. Any other questions?

951
01:12:23,275 --> 01:12:26,605
okay, that is it. Thank you. Move to item number seven

952
01:12:27,345 --> 01:12:31,185
and we need to bring this back from the table. Sir, is there a motion to bring it off

953
01:12:31,405 --> 01:12:35,045
the table? Bring what off the table. The property casualty. Uh, move to revisit

954
01:12:35,465 --> 01:12:39,385
the item we tabled at the last commission meeting involving, um,

955
01:12:40,885 --> 01:12:42,955
property and casualty and workman's comp. Okay,

956
01:12:44,905 --> 01:12:48,645
all second. Okay. There's a motion by commissioner stanton, second

957
01:12:49,065 --> 01:12:52,935
by commissioner out show of right hands for approval. What are we doing? Revisiting

958
01:12:53,985 --> 01:12:56,005
the insurance again. Okay, five and oh,

959
01:13:02,525 --> 01:13:06,485
I need a drink. I need

960
01:13:06,605 --> 01:13:10,485
a drink of water. I don't drink y'all. I'm so sorry. 'cause I always say no to alcohol, but this

961
01:13:10,685 --> 01:13:14,605
is just, it's just so intense right now. I apologize. I'm so outta order.

962
01:13:14,885 --> 01:13:18,805
just pray for me. Thank you, ms.

963
01:13:19,015 --> 01:13:21,325
april. Lord have mercy.

964
01:13:24,295 --> 01:13:25,885
thank you so much. You're very welcome.

965
01:13:31,235 --> 01:13:34,785
commissioners. We held a work session earlier today. I end

966
01:13:35,445 --> 01:13:38,675
response to the item being tabled. I did not have additional questions from commissioners

967
01:13:40,435 --> 01:13:43,795
regarding questions that they wanted to ask. There were questions that

968
01:13:44,615 --> 01:13:48,245
staff reviewed this week. I did have the opportunity to visit with k work and

969
01:13:48,625 --> 01:13:52,545
kc camp while at kac this week to get some answers to

970
01:13:52,765 --> 01:13:55,685
the questions. Uh, we went over,

971
01:13:56,905 --> 01:14:00,515
um, those today. You do have representatives here from iron

972
01:14:00,915 --> 01:14:04,445
insurance partners and do you also have a k work representative

973
01:14:05,225 --> 01:14:08,765
in the audience? I don't think anybody from k

974
01:14:09,305 --> 01:14:12,585
oh honor, we do not have a kc camp representative,

975
01:14:13,905 --> 01:14:17,625
but, uh, the gentleman has been answering questions by, ken

976
01:14:17,985 --> 01:14:21,965
has been answering questions by text today. If you had anything else

977
01:14:22,155 --> 01:14:25,965
that you needed to ask this evening. Um, so I will turn this item over

978
01:14:26,245 --> 01:14:30,105
to the commissioners. Did

979
01:14:30,325 --> 01:14:33,865
we cover all the questions this afternoon? I couldn't hear everything. Uh,

980
01:14:35,645 --> 01:14:38,725
I think there's probably a couple. If k work,

981
01:14:39,865 --> 01:14:41,165
we could ask you a couple questions.

982
01:14:47,165 --> 01:14:51,085
I, how you doing, steven? Good. I

983
01:14:51,205 --> 01:14:55,065
think one of the questions was that possibly key work didn't use a mod

984
01:14:55,285 --> 01:14:59,065
rate, a pardon me? A mod rate. I I think we mod

985
01:15:00,185 --> 01:15:03,685
um, did you use it in your bid? Uh, I, I think we

986
01:15:04,275 --> 01:15:07,785
used what you provided on, on, on what we had

987
01:15:10,745 --> 01:15:14,605
on the mod reading. We find the form for you guys to be able to

988
01:15:14,765 --> 01:15:18,565
obtain our mod reading. Right. Um, from, but as far as it being

989
01:15:19,125 --> 01:15:22,845
included in the bid that it's right there on the back. I think, I think it was okay. One point, it was

990
01:15:23,145 --> 01:15:26,955
six, so there was, or 1.45. Sorry. Okay. Yeah, it's

991
01:15:27,245 --> 01:15:31,225
printed on the back of the form with the itemization of the bid. I got their new one. That's

992
01:15:31,645 --> 01:15:35,135
okay. It's on the back of this page april

993
01:15:43,185 --> 01:15:43,965
and it's on there.

994
01:15:49,115 --> 01:15:49,925
yeah, I believe it was.

995
01:15:54,555 --> 01:15:56,445
okay. Mm-hmm .

996
01:16:32,785 --> 01:16:34,835
is there any other questions that we had? Okay.

997
01:16:40,515 --> 01:16:44,005
okay, good. Thank you. Commissioners.

998
01:16:47,865 --> 01:16:51,805
so I got a question for iron horse. We have turned in a list

999
01:16:52,105 --> 01:16:54,955
of vehicles to go to liability only

1000
01:16:57,585 --> 01:17:00,885
if there's a certain year of value. Correct? We turned it in

1001
01:17:01,745 --> 01:17:03,885
and we never got, I guess it was never

1002
01:17:06,565 --> 01:17:10,385
inserted or approved or the, the way, the

1003
01:17:10,605 --> 01:17:13,605
way I understand it may be, uh, well you had a conversation earlier this week,

1004
01:17:15,095 --> 01:17:19,045
katie taylor with iron insurance. So what you are referring to, I believe

1005
01:17:19,305 --> 01:17:23,205
is at last year's renewal, you requested that any vehicles below

1006
01:17:23,525 --> 01:17:26,805
a certain value that's correct. Were to be removed. Those were removed.

1007
01:17:28,425 --> 01:17:32,285
so that has been completed at last meeting. There was some question as to

1008
01:17:32,445 --> 01:17:36,005
some, um, equipment that you wanted reviewed. We have removed that as well,

1009
01:17:36,585 --> 01:17:39,675
but only from that date that we were instructed to do so. Okay. Okay.

1010
01:17:42,085 --> 01:17:45,755
I thought we decided that some of the vehicles, the older vehicles had not been, well,

1011
01:17:46,485 --> 01:17:50,395
I believe there may have been an additional two to three vehicles that were also

1012
01:17:50,685 --> 01:17:54,565
removed at that time that we reviewed the equipment because they did go over everything. There just weren't

1013
01:17:54,965 --> 01:17:58,675
a lot of vehicles to remove at that point. Okay.

1014
01:17:59,235 --> 01:17:59,235
alright.

1015
01:18:03,545 --> 01:18:05,205
is there any other questions that we had?

1016
01:18:23,465 --> 01:18:26,645
any other questions? I know we discussed the rental

1017
01:18:28,725 --> 01:18:32,525
coverage with about kkm. Yeah. Yeah. I, I'm happy

1018
01:18:32,905 --> 01:18:35,725
to answer any questions if commissioners have additional questions.

1019
01:18:42,285 --> 01:18:46,285
I know they had a question about if a, um, a, a piece of equipment is

1020
01:18:46,845 --> 01:18:50,765
disabled or destroyed and, um, if it need to, if the county

1021
01:18:51,005 --> 01:18:54,925
would have to, um, rent that, um, piece of equipment until something

1022
01:18:55,345 --> 01:18:59,125
is found on somewhere. Mm-hmm .

1023
01:18:59,425 --> 01:19:03,405
who covers that cost and is, I know we cover the cost, but is it reimbursed and up

1024
01:19:03,565 --> 01:19:07,365
to how much? So k camp's answer

1025
01:19:07,985 --> 01:19:11,925
to brock when he had that discussion with them was that they

1026
01:19:12,205 --> 01:19:16,125
would work on that with us to see that specifically in a policy.

1027
01:19:16,725 --> 01:19:20,725
I don't know that we saw that, um, specifically in a

1028
01:19:20,845 --> 01:19:24,665
policy. And I don't katie or are you guys able to answer that on

1029
01:19:24,885 --> 01:19:27,605
behalf of iron insurance? I don't.

1030
01:19:31,455 --> 01:19:35,145
there can be in certain policies, coverage for, uh,

1031
01:19:35,475 --> 01:19:39,095
providing rental, uh, in the event something, uh, comes,

1032
01:19:40,065 --> 01:19:43,705
uh, inoperable. So I mean that is an available, uh,

1033
01:19:44,325 --> 01:19:48,125
coverage in, in most particular policies. So is that something that you

1034
01:19:48,525 --> 01:19:52,165
normally see or nor normally write business for and is there a dollar amount?

1035
01:19:52,985 --> 01:19:56,765
um, because the, the compactor I think was $20,000 a day. Yeah.

1036
01:19:57,195 --> 01:20:00,925
what is the, the, the dollar limit and is there a cap on it? So it, there, there

1037
01:20:01,205 --> 01:20:05,045
can be a cap and, and that is what we have. We would have to decide what we would want that

1038
01:20:05,245 --> 01:20:09,225
limit to be. Uh, there's no standardized limit. We can buy as, we

1039
01:20:09,445 --> 01:20:13,125
can buy up to a certain amount or buy down to a certain amount. That would be a discussion

1040
01:20:13,525 --> 01:20:17,325
item that you'd wanna have as we go through the process of, of determining how important

1041
01:20:17,605 --> 01:20:21,605
that coverage is, what the cost of that coverage is, and then what you think you would need in the

1042
01:20:21,725 --> 01:20:25,565
event. So currently it is not included in the policy. I

1043
01:20:25,845 --> 01:20:29,525
I don't have the policy in front of me, uh, todd. But, uh, typically we, we would see

1044
01:20:30,045 --> 01:20:33,465
coverage, uh, in the event of a claim, uh, providing some coverage for,

1045
01:20:34,185 --> 01:20:37,745
uh, replacing equipment in a temporary basis. So,

1046
01:20:38,705 --> 01:20:42,525
so there's that. Um, like I'm just thinking about my own personal,

1047
01:20:43,185 --> 01:20:47,125
um, insurance. If someone runs into me or whatever, and I

1048
01:20:47,245 --> 01:20:51,085
pay my deductible, that impacts my premium. This in two, will this impact

1049
01:20:51,445 --> 01:20:55,405
the premium amount? Well, I will tell you that, so you, if you talk about

1050
01:20:55,725 --> 01:20:59,725
a rental coverage on your vehicle, right? You have to opt in for that coverage to have rental and towing

1051
01:21:00,045 --> 01:21:04,005
and those kind of things. And yes, it would have an impact on the premium. So when you add coverage,

1052
01:21:04,505 --> 01:21:08,445
you're going to, you're going to potentially add to the cost of the insurance

1053
01:21:08,905 --> 01:21:12,905
now, albeit marginal because the likelihood of some of those types of things happening may

1054
01:21:13,125 --> 01:21:16,805
be smaller than than others. And so it's, uh, it's gonna be relative to the

1055
01:21:17,245 --> 01:21:17,245
exposure.

1056
01:21:21,555 --> 01:21:24,515
jeff, you have a question on non-insured, steve, non-insured

1057
01:21:26,195 --> 01:21:30,115
drivers. So the unin,

1058
01:21:30,405 --> 01:21:34,385
uninsured motorist, that's just for medical, correct? So

1059
01:21:34,675 --> 01:21:38,645
uninsured motorists or underinsured motorists sometimes this is called is, is designed

1060
01:21:38,765 --> 01:21:42,725
to pick up not only medical, but also physical, physical damage. So like

1061
01:21:42,885 --> 01:21:46,745
on your personal policy as an example, you have uninsured underinsured. So

1062
01:21:46,965 --> 01:21:50,845
if the uninsured or underinsured doesn't have enough coverage to repair your vehicle

1063
01:21:51,345 --> 01:21:55,265
or give you something of like, kind and quality, that will pay for that as well. It

1064
01:21:55,485 --> 01:21:59,245
will also affect if you have, uh, issues, medical issues of, of medical

1065
01:21:59,525 --> 01:22:03,205
payment. So now in the state of kansas, pip coverage is the, the first dollar

1066
01:22:03,805 --> 01:22:05,855
coverage that pays in the event of medical needs.

1067
01:22:11,075 --> 01:22:15,005
there's a limit on that. There, there is like, uh, like the limit,

1068
01:22:15,305 --> 01:22:19,185
uh, for pip coverage in the state of kansas. 27.5 is the most you can buy. Yeah. Mm-hmm

1069
01:22:19,645 --> 01:22:19,645
.

1070
01:22:25,725 --> 01:22:29,695
anything else for me? I'm good. Thank

1071
01:22:30,045 --> 01:22:30,045
you.

1072
01:22:36,985 --> 01:22:40,925
you want him deal? You want him to deal with these separately? Yeah, it'll

1073
01:22:41,245 --> 01:22:45,005
be two separate. It'll be the workman's comp and then casualty.

1074
01:22:45,945 --> 01:22:45,945
so

1075
01:22:54,025 --> 01:22:55,605
put it out the commissioners. I mean

1076
01:22:58,895 --> 01:22:59,965
there was some motion out there.

1077
01:23:17,835 --> 01:23:21,305
well, if no one else is speaking, I will make a motion that we accept

1078
01:23:21,865 --> 01:23:25,815
the policy offered by k work, uh, covered by their cover

1079
01:23:26,165 --> 01:23:26,965
letter dated november 19th, 2025.

1080
01:23:32,195 --> 01:23:34,195
that is for the workman's comp. Okay.

1081
01:23:51,745 --> 01:23:52,285
is there a second?

1082
01:23:56,195 --> 01:23:58,595
I'll second it so we can vote on it. Okay.

1083
01:24:02,265 --> 01:24:02,935
any other discussion?

1084
01:24:08,205 --> 01:24:12,125
I, I just like to add from our discussion today that this

1085
01:24:12,325 --> 01:24:16,275
is a pool and that um, if it doesn't work, it's

1086
01:24:16,565 --> 01:24:20,565
not as easy to withdraw out of the pool and go back to what we had. I

1087
01:24:20,685 --> 01:24:23,345
just want that you to be very mindful of that. Um,

1088
01:24:25,115 --> 01:24:28,995
it's good that we can save money, but sometimes saving money means spending more money than

1089
01:24:29,285 --> 01:24:33,245
you anticipated. That's all I wanna say about that. Well, there's no guarantee that

1090
01:24:33,365 --> 01:24:35,165
your current carrier will renew you next year either.

1091
01:24:38,805 --> 01:24:41,435
I call okay.

1092
01:24:42,995 --> 01:24:44,205
show a right answer for approval

1093
01:24:48,345 --> 01:24:51,645
passes. We'll go with k. Work for work's comp. Mm-hmm .

1094
01:24:56,805 --> 01:24:59,805
property casualty. Three, two. Liability.

1095
01:25:02,345 --> 01:25:06,325
the two women didn't vote for it, the two women did not vote

1096
01:25:06,565 --> 01:25:10,565
for it. Have there been any modifications to the original k camp proposal or is

1097
01:25:10,685 --> 01:25:14,205
it as written? As written?

1098
01:25:26,285 --> 01:25:29,485
I will make a motion that we accept the policy proposed by k camp,

1099
01:25:30,305 --> 01:25:33,965
um, apparently unmodified as covered

1100
01:25:34,345 --> 01:25:35,925
by their cover letter dated november 19th, 2025.

1101
01:25:52,765 --> 01:25:54,365
I will second it again so we can vote on it

1102
01:25:56,945 --> 01:25:57,775
any further discussion.

1103
01:26:12,515 --> 01:26:14,085
okay. Two a right answers approval.

1104
01:26:25,435 --> 01:26:25,875
okay. Nose.

1105
01:26:29,825 --> 01:26:32,965
wow. Okay. Is there any other

1106
01:26:34,435 --> 01:26:36,565
motions out there? I

1107
01:26:46,225 --> 01:26:48,125
we accept 2026 property

1108
01:26:50,265 --> 01:26:53,515
casual liability proposal from

1109
01:26:57,675 --> 01:27:00,365
fire I second

1110
01:27:01,945 --> 01:27:05,685
motion by commissioner abbott to set the iron horse proposal.

1111
01:27:07,195 --> 01:27:11,125
it's just iron. Just iron? Okay. I don't know where to

1112
01:27:11,205 --> 01:27:14,605
get the horse. I want to say horse too . So I think it's oil fields. So it's,

1113
01:27:15,705 --> 01:27:19,325
it goes together for the 2026 property casualty

1114
01:27:19,885 --> 01:27:23,565
and liability. Show that there's a second. Are there

1115
01:27:23,965 --> 01:27:27,405
a second by me? Mm-hmm . Are there concerns about the cost we're incurring here?

1116
01:27:30,485 --> 01:27:34,405
I mean, the discussion we had prior to bringing the other company in to

1117
01:27:34,525 --> 01:27:38,405
make a bid was concern over the cost. And we're somewhere

1118
01:27:39,725 --> 01:27:43,645
approaching double, I

1119
01:27:43,765 --> 01:27:47,765
mean, workman's comp. Wait, I mean, we're already in a, a budget mess. That's just

1120
01:27:47,965 --> 01:27:48,365
beyond belief.

1121
01:28:00,605 --> 01:28:04,045
I mean, I also worry about coverage too. Well, we have 80, 85

1122
01:28:05,245 --> 01:28:08,545
counties, 105 counties in kansas. Five of the self insure,

1123
01:28:09,505 --> 01:28:13,485
85 of the remaining a hundred are using this group.

1124
01:28:13,825 --> 01:28:17,665
and there have been I think some minor issues here and there, but

1125
01:28:17,885 --> 01:28:18,355
nothing substantive.

1126
01:28:21,915 --> 01:28:25,805
it's a huge amount of money. I mean somewhere over two

1127
01:28:26,055 --> 01:28:26,055
mills.

1128
01:28:31,745 --> 01:28:35,325
and, and, and I would just point out that that's the two mills we're gonna have to find somewhere.

1129
01:28:35,805 --> 01:28:38,125
come january I gained .

1130
01:28:40,075 --> 01:28:42,765
well, I wasn't finished speaking so maybe you could give it 30 seconds.

1131
01:28:45,145 --> 01:28:45,145
um,

1132
01:28:49,265 --> 01:28:52,685
that's funny also, I assume well good for you.

1133
01:28:53,385 --> 01:28:57,325
you were just downloaded. Just go your way. You don't get to

1134
01:29:08,705 --> 01:29:12,485
any other discussion. Okay. Show a right answer

1135
01:29:12,805 --> 01:29:15,415
to approval. Three email.

1136
01:29:19,995 --> 01:29:21,245
okay. Thank you.

1137
01:29:24,635 --> 01:29:26,935
item number eight, cip approved mower.

1138
01:29:36,505 --> 01:29:36,505
wow.

1139
01:29:48,275 --> 01:29:52,165
good evening. Commissioners. Um, back when we did our budget

1140
01:29:52,345 --> 01:29:55,345
in 2025, I was approved to,

1141
01:29:56,545 --> 01:29:59,825
uh, to pick up a mower. A 72 inch cut.

1142
01:30:01,125 --> 01:30:04,965
I got three bids. Uh, the first one was

1143
01:30:05,165 --> 01:30:09,165
with apds and sublet. And it's a

1144
01:30:09,285 --> 01:30:13,265
72 inch and it's a 2026. And they, we

1145
01:30:13,485 --> 01:30:17,245
have a, uh, a bad boy maverick that we bought back

1146
01:30:17,525 --> 01:30:21,305
in 2018 and it's seven years old. And,

1147
01:30:21,705 --> 01:30:25,545
uh, they gave offered us 2000 for a trade-in on

1148
01:30:25,765 --> 01:30:28,645
that, which made it 9,000 710 0 8.

1149
01:30:32,375 --> 01:30:36,155
we looked online and got a quote from bad boy mowers of

1150
01:30:36,455 --> 01:30:39,275
salina and there's come to $13,049.

1151
01:30:42,095 --> 01:30:45,905
and then we went to keating tractor. They had a 2025 john

1152
01:30:46,195 --> 01:30:49,455
deere 72 inch cut, no trade in.

1153
01:30:50,255 --> 01:30:54,175
it was used, it had one hour on it. Warranty was

1154
01:30:54,395 --> 01:30:57,935
36 months, or 12 one 1,200

1155
01:30:58,965 --> 01:31:02,135
hours. And it was quoted at 1,700

1156
01:31:05,255 --> 01:31:09,115
and I mean 17,000. And then with the 10% government

1157
01:31:09,915 --> 01:31:13,775
discount, it come to 15,300. And, uh,

1158
01:31:14,255 --> 01:31:18,025
up here when we did the bad boy with sublet, I'm sorry, they,

1159
01:31:18,375 --> 01:31:22,235
uh, it was warranty on the engine three years and warranty on the mower for

1160
01:31:22,395 --> 01:31:25,935
two years. And, um,

1161
01:31:26,935 --> 01:31:30,895
if you guys to prove this, my choice would be the bad

1162
01:31:31,175 --> 01:31:31,735
boy and sublet

1163
01:31:35,955 --> 01:31:39,595
I move that we received out of the cip account approved,

1164
01:31:40,095 --> 01:31:44,065
um, recommendation for the a pd from

1165
01:31:44,415 --> 01:31:48,235
sublet in the amount of $9,710 and 8 cents

1166
01:31:48,815 --> 01:31:52,685
for the event center for the 72 inch cut mower

1167
01:31:53,305 --> 01:31:55,275
that was budgeted in 2025 cipa

1168
01:31:58,515 --> 01:32:01,835
second to come outta county fund 3 3 0 dash 0 0 5 4 8 0.

1169
01:32:04,925 --> 01:32:08,545
I second that. So did we get rid

1170
01:32:09,025 --> 01:32:12,925
of a couple mowers? Do what? Yes, we did. We got rid of those on our,

1171
01:32:13,185 --> 01:32:17,085
uh, auction that we had. And then we have two other mowers

1172
01:32:17,665 --> 01:32:20,885
and they are a, um, a cadet and a hustler

1173
01:32:21,825 --> 01:32:25,005
and they were purchased in 2 20 20 and 2022.

1174
01:32:26,345 --> 01:32:30,045
and those are 60 inch inch cuts. And we wanted to go a 72

1175
01:32:31,035 --> 01:32:34,925
this way we can use it around the rodeo area, the grandstand area back in that

1176
01:32:35,155 --> 01:32:39,005
area, which we have a lot of mowing. And then we have the pastures on

1177
01:32:39,165 --> 01:32:43,125
the west and then of the west of the event center. We do that. And then

1178
01:32:43,285 --> 01:32:47,205
we have those pastures out there around behind k state and all that.

1179
01:32:47,705 --> 01:32:51,355
so we just figured that a 72 inch cut would help us get the work done just

1180
01:32:51,725 --> 01:32:55,305
a little bit quicker. So this will result

1181
01:32:55,745 --> 01:32:59,665
in three working mowers. Do

1182
01:32:59,885 --> 01:33:03,645
what steve? This will result this, this purchase will give you

1183
01:33:04,215 --> 01:33:08,205
three. That's all the, all the mowers you have is three working mowers? Yes. Mm-hmm

1184
01:33:08,565 --> 01:33:12,435
. No junk mowers sitting around or? Well,

1185
01:33:12,725 --> 01:33:16,685
we do have a grasshopper that we've been working on trying to get it to run.

1186
01:33:17,435 --> 01:33:20,905
some days it runs, some days it don't, but we're still working on it, so.

1187
01:33:22,035 --> 01:33:25,725
okay. I didn't wanna say uncle yet. ,

1188
01:33:30,275 --> 01:33:33,795
does anybody have experience with this brand? I don't. Yeah. Bad boy. Yeah,

1189
01:33:34,285 --> 01:33:37,745
I know a couple people that have them. She come for

1190
01:33:38,585 --> 01:33:42,115
bad boy, bad boy. They're

1191
01:33:42,605 --> 01:33:46,605
made kansas, aren't they? Uh, I don't know where they're made that, but I know a couple people

1192
01:33:46,915 --> 01:33:49,205
that do that been reliable.

1193
01:33:51,825 --> 01:33:55,765
so you're gonna get it rid at the grasshopper if you get this one then if we have another

1194
01:33:56,005 --> 01:33:59,405
auction. No. If you get, if you get this more, you're gonna auction that grasshopper

1195
01:34:00,065 --> 01:34:03,925
off there. Yes. If we do. Yeah. While it's running. The grasshopper

1196
01:34:04,405 --> 01:34:08,265
is, I'm, I mean that's really oat, but we

1197
01:34:08,485 --> 01:34:12,275
sort of liked it real well, so we thought we'd work on it a little bit, but it's

1198
01:34:12,565 --> 01:34:15,545
a little rough riding, driving mowing sounding. So

1199
01:34:18,835 --> 01:34:22,725
there's a motion by commissioner abbott. Is there a second by question? Mm-hmm .

1200
01:34:24,265 --> 01:34:27,285
any further discussion? Okay. Show of right hands for approval.

1201
01:34:29,675 --> 01:34:33,205
okay. Thank you ms. Linda, do you want, are you good? I'm sorry.

1202
01:34:33,825 --> 01:34:37,805
huh? I was saying thank you. You have oh, I was, thank you too. I appreciate that.

1203
01:34:38,505 --> 01:34:42,235
and I don't know if I'll see you guys again, but you all have a merry christmas. Okay.

1204
01:34:42,695 --> 01:34:46,375
merry christmas to you as well. Thank you. Item number nine, grant acceptance.

1205
01:34:47,545 --> 01:34:47,965
andrew barkley.

1206
01:34:58,995 --> 01:35:02,965
good evening commissioners. Andrew bark, lucer county fire chief, come before you this

1207
01:35:03,165 --> 01:35:06,655
evening requesting permission to accept a grant

1208
01:35:07,635 --> 01:35:11,345
from the anderson corporation foundation. Um, they're involved in

1209
01:35:11,955 --> 01:35:15,425
some grain facilities here in se county. Um,

1210
01:35:15,985 --> 01:35:19,765
in the amount of $6,000, the money is to be

1211
01:35:20,035 --> 01:35:23,135
used. Basically, they'll, they'll award us it's $3,000

1212
01:35:24,255 --> 01:35:27,885
grant. They're gonna give us 6,000 'cause they've identified two

1213
01:35:28,365 --> 01:35:32,015
locations in ser county that we protect. And that money will be used for grain

1214
01:35:32,525 --> 01:35:36,365
bin rescue equipment. And the there are stipulations to

1215
01:35:36,565 --> 01:35:40,465
the grant. They will tell us where we go purchase that stuff. And

1216
01:35:40,785 --> 01:35:43,725
so I just need your permission to allow me to

1217
01:35:44,945 --> 01:35:48,165
accept it when it arrives and purchase where they

1218
01:35:49,005 --> 01:35:52,485
identify I need to purchase. I move that we accept the $6,000

1219
01:35:53,125 --> 01:35:56,885
grant from the andersons and appreciate it very much and thank them.

1220
01:35:57,885 --> 01:36:01,825
I second. It won't cost any more than 6,000.

1221
01:36:03,145 --> 01:36:06,955
no. Commissioner, just, just ask. And skyland

1222
01:36:08,125 --> 01:36:11,875
elevator is the one that correct? They're the ones that facilitated this

1223
01:36:12,165 --> 01:36:12,555
grant. Okay.

1224
01:36:18,235 --> 01:36:21,625
okay. There was a motion by commissioner abbott to accept the grant of $6,000

1225
01:36:22,585 --> 01:36:26,525
accept by commissioner fuller. Mm-hmm . Show of righthand for approval, I

1226
01:36:26,645 --> 01:36:28,805
believe. Thank you commissioners. Thank you. Chief barkley.

1227
01:36:31,435 --> 01:36:34,935
item number 10, sewer county fights addiction fund grid. Kayla

1228
01:36:35,535 --> 01:36:35,535
jenko.

1229
01:36:42,425 --> 01:36:46,365
you brought . Hi. Good, good evening commissioners. Kayla jenko with some on

1230
01:36:46,525 --> 01:36:50,445
basin community corrections. Chelsea draw state juvenile corrections and prevention

1231
01:36:51,165 --> 01:36:53,885
services and we invited school resource officer

1232
01:36:56,295 --> 01:37:00,245
kevin ano commissioners. We wanted to

1233
01:37:00,325 --> 01:37:04,205
give you an update on what we've been doing with the grant funds that we received from the opiate funds.

1234
01:37:05,065 --> 01:37:09,005
um, just a small rundown, I did attach it to the memo.

1235
01:37:09,465 --> 01:37:13,445
we did purchase 14 a ed units for the seward county sheriff's department to put into their

1236
01:37:13,565 --> 01:37:17,415
units. Um, we also purchased the, uh, fatal

1237
01:37:17,765 --> 01:37:20,925
vision equipment for the school resource officers to use in the school districts.

1238
01:37:21,945 --> 01:37:25,845
and the officer will explain to you a little bit more about that is very

1239
01:37:26,285 --> 01:37:29,885
interesting and in depth of what was it's utilized for, for the juvenile.

1240
01:37:30,745 --> 01:37:34,645
and we purchased some prevention posters and stuff for the youth to be placed in the school

1241
01:37:35,085 --> 01:37:38,985
districts as well, for information to, um, get

1242
01:37:39,205 --> 01:37:42,785
their knowledge up to speed of what the narcotics and stuff can

1243
01:37:43,325 --> 01:37:46,845
do to them. So then we also purchased two thermo scientific

1244
01:37:47,635 --> 01:37:51,485
true narcan handheld devices for the sierra county sheriff's department to have in their units

1245
01:37:51,945 --> 01:37:55,800
if they needed that out in the field. And then we also provide, uh, purchased some drug

1246
01:37:56,040 --> 01:37:59,435
testing supplies for the youth, um,

1247
01:38:01,275 --> 01:38:04,575
myself along with the school resource officers at liberal police department.

1248
01:38:05,355 --> 01:38:09,165
um, we now do monthly staff meetings. And with

1249
01:38:09,475 --> 01:38:13,455
the fatal vision, they've been keeping us up to date of the different

1250
01:38:14,105 --> 01:38:18,095
times that they've used it with the school, with the youth in the schools. And I thought

1251
01:38:18,295 --> 01:38:22,115
it would be pretty interesting to have kevin talk about it and,

1252
01:38:23,115 --> 01:38:25,215
um, let you guys know if, how well it's going.

1253
01:38:28,875 --> 01:38:32,655
so the equipment is pretty interesting. Uh, 1993, a man named michael aguilar.

1254
01:38:34,115 --> 01:38:38,015
uh, I believe he was living in wisconsin at the time. He came home from a business meeting

1255
01:38:38,385 --> 01:38:42,375
after work and, uh, arrived at home. Uh, just to find

1256
01:38:42,535 --> 01:38:45,935
out that five minutes before he came home, his five-year-old son david,

1257
01:38:46,715 --> 01:38:50,655
uh, had almost been struck by a drunk neighbor that had veered

1258
01:38:50,895 --> 01:38:54,475
off from the road, uh, missed his son david, but actually hit his,

1259
01:38:54,915 --> 01:38:58,895
uh, his friend that he was playing with in, in, in the yard, tyler, and hospitalized him

1260
01:38:59,055 --> 01:39:02,895
for a week. Uh, this impacted michael greatly. And so, uh, three years later

1261
01:39:03,155 --> 01:39:06,975
in 1996, he started a company called in a corp limited. Uh, that's

1262
01:39:07,175 --> 01:39:11,175
where the fatal vision products come from. So it's about next year it'll be about

1263
01:39:11,335 --> 01:39:15,295
30 years of development on this, uh, technology. Um, we've seen,

1264
01:39:15,885 --> 01:39:19,675
just like with anything else, uh, proper education in our communities can

1265
01:39:19,895 --> 01:39:23,835
make a difference. It's not the end all be all, no product is. Um, but

1266
01:39:24,355 --> 01:39:28,255
you know, we see the fire departments making great education efforts in the

1267
01:39:28,375 --> 01:39:32,215
schools and therefore over the last 50 years, that has contributed

1268
01:39:32,675 --> 01:39:36,215
to zero deaths for fire related incidents for students

1269
01:39:36,715 --> 01:39:40,415
in the school buildings. I wish that was the same, unfortunately for school

1270
01:39:40,895 --> 01:39:44,815
shootings and other things, but that's what we're working on. So, um, we've begun

1271
01:39:45,095 --> 01:39:49,035
educating the kids in school. We, we show them the statistics and

1272
01:39:49,475 --> 01:39:53,425
that's about what we can do. We give them, uh, examples of even local

1273
01:39:54,295 --> 01:39:58,295
tragedies that we've had. Uh, in the early 2000 tens, kansas was averaging about

1274
01:39:58,575 --> 01:40:02,105
a hundred dui fatalities a year. It is a problem even in our state

1275
01:40:02,835 --> 01:40:06,655
and even in our, in our county, in our city. And so this kind of education

1276
01:40:07,095 --> 01:40:10,955
will help these kids, uh, give second thought, uh,

1277
01:40:11,395 --> 01:40:15,235
to getting behind the wheel of a vehicle while impaired. Uh,

1278
01:40:15,505 --> 01:40:19,015
we've seen over the last years now it's not just alcohol related

1279
01:40:19,695 --> 01:40:23,695
duis, we're seeing that 50% of the duis, uh, that are

1280
01:40:23,855 --> 01:40:27,665
happening are a mixture of alcohol and a bunch of other substances

1281
01:40:28,335 --> 01:40:32,255
that, um, unfortunately people are abusing. And so, uh, with this type of

1282
01:40:32,375 --> 01:40:35,935
education that we're bringing to the schools, we did, we rolled out our first

1283
01:40:36,415 --> 01:40:40,095
demonstration for the cadets who're actually meeting right now. Every monday night they meet

1284
01:40:40,595 --> 01:40:44,255
at the ag building. And so we had a group about 50 cadets that we got to

1285
01:40:44,635 --> 01:40:48,275
do a live demonstration for. And they were our test subjects for, uh,

1286
01:40:48,955 --> 01:40:52,855
the educational materials. And so we're gonna start rolling them out, uh, at the beginning

1287
01:40:53,145 --> 01:40:56,865
of this next year, uh, for the middle schools and the high school and, uh,

1288
01:40:57,605 --> 01:41:01,565
wherever else we can. Thank you. Appreciate your work. Thank you.

1289
01:41:03,145 --> 01:41:06,725
are there any questions in regards to the opiate funds? We still have

1290
01:41:07,285 --> 01:41:10,805
a balances of $29,512 and 29 cents in this account.

1291
01:41:11,445 --> 01:41:15,185
I do have a question. Um, are we, um, is there anything that you can

1292
01:41:15,465 --> 01:41:19,075
do in reference to vaping, um, getting information

1293
01:41:19,765 --> 01:41:23,215
on that? 'cause the kids are finding really smart ways to camouflage,

1294
01:41:24,425 --> 01:41:28,365
um, and it's really detrimental to them and they, they think it's cool, but they, they they're really killing themselves,

1295
01:41:28,915 --> 01:41:32,885
correct? Absolutely. Um, so we did purchase some posters and stuff and I'll

1296
01:41:33,045 --> 01:41:37,005
let chelsea talk about that. Um, as of right now, the only prevention that we've

1297
01:41:37,285 --> 01:41:40,785
done as far as vaping and, and are you talking specifically nicotine vaping?

1298
01:41:41,745 --> 01:41:45,255
um, because we also have thc vaping that is kevin

1299
01:41:45,785 --> 01:41:48,965
can talk about that is very prevalent in our schools as well.

1300
01:41:49,905 --> 01:41:53,725
um, as of right now, I just have the posters. However, I am more than willing

1301
01:41:53,985 --> 01:41:57,965
to look into any additional prevention ma matters that I

1302
01:41:58,085 --> 01:42:02,005
can to try to address that. Um, I know that

1303
01:42:02,635 --> 01:42:06,605
once the youth receive the charges and they are placed on supervision with us

1304
01:42:06,905 --> 01:42:10,885
at j caps, we do have different programs, but that's once they've already received charges

1305
01:42:11,345 --> 01:42:15,005
and this whole effort was to try to be on a preventative level mm-hmm

1306
01:42:15,445 --> 01:42:19,045
. Um, so I am more than willing to look into any other,

1307
01:42:19,665 --> 01:42:23,625
um, preventative options as far as vaping specifically. Um,

1308
01:42:24,245 --> 01:42:27,745
I can't guarantee that there will be as much on

1309
01:42:28,605 --> 01:42:32,605
nicotine. There will probably be more on the thc just based off

1310
01:42:32,805 --> 01:42:36,645
of what we've seen. But I can still definitely look into it and pursue that.

1311
01:42:37,245 --> 01:42:40,505
I know that, um, there are containers for,

1312
01:42:41,385 --> 01:42:45,385
to disregard, um, discard drugs and, um,

1313
01:42:45,735 --> 01:42:49,625
containers. Um, for, um, you go to the library, you

1314
01:42:49,845 --> 01:42:52,955
can just throw your library book in there. I, I would think something really cool

1315
01:42:53,905 --> 01:42:57,765
and informative and just kind of help the children think and skip the vape

1316
01:42:58,305 --> 01:43:02,105
and just, you know, anonymously discard it and, and

1317
01:43:02,325 --> 01:43:06,245
just help them to continue to educate. They have so much of their

1318
01:43:06,565 --> 01:43:10,325
future ahead of them. And this is just another thing that seems to be really

1319
01:43:10,595 --> 01:43:14,385
cool, but it's deadly. So I'm just thinking it's something as,

1320
01:43:14,705 --> 01:43:18,475
um, I know, um, barbara bush, I'm dating myself, say, just

1321
01:43:18,785 --> 01:43:22,465
say no, but just something that will just help them think and

1322
01:43:22,915 --> 01:43:26,845
have a place where those things can be discarded. Whether it's all, I don't know whether the school

1323
01:43:27,325 --> 01:43:31,125
district would allow it to be on campus or, um, somewhere in the library

1324
01:43:31,535 --> 01:43:35,445
where it's, you know, something to kinda get that out of their hands. 'cause they know

1325
01:43:35,605 --> 01:43:39,445
how to hide stuff. You know, you have to all remember us, we were all teenagers. We did

1326
01:43:39,805 --> 01:43:43,745
stuff that, and when you say don't do something, it just, it's enticing to them. You

1327
01:43:43,965 --> 01:43:43,965
know.

1328
01:43:49,745 --> 01:43:53,525
any other questions? Thank you so much for all that you do. Thank you. And spending those funds

1329
01:43:53,865 --> 01:43:57,405
wisely to educate and protect our community. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

1330
01:44:00,995 --> 01:44:04,805
move to item number 11, security camera system admin building. Clayton

1331
01:44:05,285 --> 01:44:05,285
hoover.

1332
01:44:13,435 --> 01:44:16,205
good evening commissioners. Clayton hoover with the it department.

1333
01:44:18,595 --> 01:44:22,005
earlier this year we had, uh, proposed a

1334
01:44:23,015 --> 01:44:26,985
quote for some security camera upgrades and some access control as

1335
01:44:27,205 --> 01:44:31,165
well as the panic buttons from ada. And it was, uh,

1336
01:44:31,655 --> 01:44:35,365
quite a bit pricey. Mm-hmm . So, uh, we kind of scrapped that

1337
01:44:35,665 --> 01:44:38,705
and just kind of went back to the drawing board. And I know, um,

1338
01:44:39,895 --> 01:44:43,765
simon has put a lot of work into doing a lot of the research. He kind of took the lead on

1339
01:44:43,925 --> 01:44:47,745
this, but, uh, what we have for you on

1340
01:44:47,965 --> 01:44:51,585
the security camera system, just for the admin building, um,

1341
01:44:52,055 --> 01:44:55,595
since this is the oldest camera system, basically we have, it's,

1342
01:44:56,195 --> 01:45:00,125
I've been here 14 years and it was here when I got here. So , the admin building

1343
01:45:00,685 --> 01:45:04,565
security cameras, have a lot of age on 'em. And we have right now

1344
01:45:05,125 --> 01:45:08,305
I think four cameras that are, that are down. Um,

1345
01:45:10,865 --> 01:45:14,645
so the, uh, quote we've got was for

1346
01:45:14,885 --> 01:45:18,085
a unified camera, camera system. So it's going to be,

1347
01:45:19,185 --> 01:45:22,865
uh, basically the same hardware as what the, the

1348
01:45:23,465 --> 01:45:27,385
tta project was, uh, quoting out as

1349
01:45:27,605 --> 01:45:31,605
far as the cameras go. Uh, I know a

1350
01:45:31,725 --> 01:45:34,705
couple of commissioners had set in on, on some of the ada

1351
01:45:35,765 --> 01:45:39,745
demonstrations and, uh, a lot of the portal, a lot of the app and

1352
01:45:39,965 --> 01:45:43,875
the camera, the hardware is just basically the same thing, just

1353
01:45:44,165 --> 01:45:48,025
kind of rebranded, uh, for ada. So what, uh,

1354
01:45:48,395 --> 01:45:52,035
what we're proposing is to replace a security camera system here

1355
01:45:52,515 --> 01:45:56,445
with an nvr system. What they, what ada had was also a cloud-based

1356
01:45:56,885 --> 01:46:00,565
unit, and then that's where the licensing fees came in and that's where it got kind of

1357
01:46:00,915 --> 01:46:04,805
expensive. Um, but the, the camera

1358
01:46:04,965 --> 01:46:08,875
system that we're looking at here, this unify, we can have

1359
01:46:09,165 --> 01:46:13,005
our own nvr system on site store, everything here. So it'd

1360
01:46:13,205 --> 01:46:17,125
just be a one-time purchase. So it wouldn't be any licensing fees or anything going forward.

1361
01:46:17,665 --> 01:46:21,445
and, and we could also, uh, handle the installation

1362
01:46:22,305 --> 01:46:26,245
in house too. So that would save quite a bit of, quite a bit of money.

1363
01:46:27,305 --> 01:46:31,165
so the system that we've got, uh, cdw came in the cheapest

1364
01:46:31,625 --> 01:46:35,605
now that was for the, for eight cameras and it's an access control

1365
01:46:36,075 --> 01:46:39,925
starter kit, which would, uh, uh, get us going on the access

1366
01:46:40,245 --> 01:46:43,965
control for maintenance, the way they use on their door system

1367
01:46:44,435 --> 01:46:48,405
door lock systems. Um, the nvr and n seven

1368
01:46:48,605 --> 01:46:52,295
hard drives that would, uh, fill the nvr total

1369
01:46:52,675 --> 01:46:55,935
cost on that. Uh, coming in from cdw it $4,875

1370
01:46:58,105 --> 01:47:02,045
and 75 cents. Um, when I

1371
01:47:02,165 --> 01:47:06,165
was putting this agenda, this packet together to go on the agenda,

1372
01:47:06,525 --> 01:47:09,845
I did get a call from, uh, our treasurer's office

1373
01:47:10,595 --> 01:47:14,465
stating that they had a, uh, customer in there that lived across the street to

1374
01:47:14,685 --> 01:47:18,565
the east, or yeah, to the east of us, and wanted to know if we could look at our cameras

1375
01:47:19,785 --> 01:47:23,545
to see he had something stolen from his property. So I, uh,

1376
01:47:24,345 --> 01:47:28,325
we did check the, the camera system and I don't know in your

1377
01:47:28,485 --> 01:47:30,345
packet, I think there is a surveillance, one

1378
01:47:33,005 --> 01:47:36,715
document that I put in there shows the, the camera that

1379
01:47:37,065 --> 01:47:40,875
we were looking at for that east parking. And anyway, it's,

1380
01:47:41,305 --> 01:47:44,845
you, you can't see anything at night. It was a light . There's nothing there,

1381
01:47:45,395 --> 01:47:45,985
uhuh. Uh,

1382
01:47:49,625 --> 01:47:53,585
so the system, like I said, is, is 14 years old. Some of those cameras aren't

1383
01:47:54,005 --> 01:47:57,805
working and the ones that are, are so grainy and pixelated that you, you can't

1384
01:47:58,045 --> 01:48:00,355
make anything out. So it's, it's been

1385
01:48:02,465 --> 01:48:06,165
due to be replaced for some time now and I think this is a much more economical

1386
01:48:06,545 --> 01:48:10,045
way of doing it rather than the cloud-based, uh, ada system.

1387
01:48:10,585 --> 01:48:13,845
it would, uh, be a lot better, a lot, lot cheaper

1388
01:48:15,345 --> 01:48:19,145
and good quality, good quality equipment. How many cameras are

1389
01:48:19,365 --> 01:48:23,225
currently in here? We have not 18 cameras currently in

1390
01:48:23,445 --> 01:48:27,365
our system right now. And we can phase these out. Like I said, this would be

1391
01:48:27,525 --> 01:48:31,295
for eight cameras. And then I think the specs

1392
01:48:31,645 --> 01:48:35,445
in there showed that as right around $250 a camera.

1393
01:48:36,345 --> 01:48:40,245
so next year I'd like to go ahead and, and phase out the rest of those cameras

1394
01:48:40,665 --> 01:48:44,565
in the old system and get everything off of that system by early

1395
01:48:44,875 --> 01:48:47,825
next year. And I'd like to add a few more. Um,

1396
01:48:48,995 --> 01:48:52,725
like I said, 18 is what we currently have and we have some dead spots that we could definitely

1397
01:48:53,045 --> 01:48:56,945
fill out some places that need, need some attention. So, uh,

1398
01:48:57,165 --> 01:49:00,845
the system that there, that we're quoting right here will handle

1399
01:49:01,265 --> 01:49:05,205
up to 24 4k cameras. Uh, it would

1400
01:49:05,405 --> 01:49:09,245
handle, what was the other, the seven hard drives will handle

1401
01:49:09,545 --> 01:49:13,165
the additional. So it'd just be a matter of buying additional correct. Cameras

1402
01:49:13,595 --> 01:49:17,545
only? Correct. No licenses? No,

1403
01:49:17,765 --> 01:49:21,475
there wouldn't be any licensing. It'd just be the one time purchase of the hardware. Okay.

1404
01:49:21,865 --> 01:49:25,765
and we could implement that into the, the mvr system. What's your anticipated

1405
01:49:26,445 --> 01:49:30,045
lifespan on these cameras? I'm going to say at least eight to 10 years.

1406
01:49:30,545 --> 01:49:34,485
uh, like I said, they're the same hardware as ada was, uh, quoting

1407
01:49:34,925 --> 01:49:38,785
and they, they gave a 10 year warranty on theirs. So I I see no reason why

1408
01:49:39,065 --> 01:49:42,925
are these, what are these warranted for? You know what, I do not know

1409
01:49:43,165 --> 01:49:45,565
if I've got that on there.

1410
01:49:49,385 --> 01:49:51,085
do you know if there was a warranty on those? Simon?

1411
01:50:04,205 --> 01:50:05,605
I am not seeing anything on that.

1412
01:50:25,405 --> 01:50:29,245
I don't seeing anything there, but that, that's what I can we just verify that before you actually went ahead

1413
01:50:29,485 --> 01:50:32,955
with the purchase that there is a reasonable warranty? Sure, yeah.

1414
01:50:39,345 --> 01:50:43,165
I'd make a motion that we purchased the eight cameras

1415
01:50:44,065 --> 01:50:46,445
access control starter kit nvr

1416
01:50:48,665 --> 01:50:51,565
and seven hard drives at a cost of $4,875

1417
01:50:54,225 --> 01:50:57,995
and 75 cents to come out of from

1418
01:50:58,725 --> 01:51:02,605
cdw dash g, uh, to

1419
01:51:02,805 --> 01:51:06,165
come out with a technology pending verification of the warranty.

1420
01:51:08,065 --> 01:51:11,805
second. Okay, there's a motion by commissioner him and second

1421
01:51:12,185 --> 01:51:16,085
by commissioner stanton show right hands for approval. Five vote.

1422
01:51:16,365 --> 01:51:18,405
alright, thank you commers. Thank you.

1423
01:51:20,795 --> 01:51:22,705
item number 12, work comp update.

1424
01:51:37,635 --> 01:51:41,525
good evening commissioners. I will pass out the work comp update to you. Please

1425
01:51:41,995 --> 01:51:44,445
note, um, because it does go back to 2022,

1426
01:51:46,145 --> 01:51:50,045
um, there is a front and back, um, to the sheet. I know

1427
01:51:50,205 --> 01:51:53,885
that, uh, commissioner helm had asked me to look

1428
01:51:54,355 --> 01:51:58,065
into some of the information across the top. Um,

1429
01:51:58,645 --> 01:52:01,785
inc means incurred. Um,

1430
01:52:02,745 --> 01:52:06,565
and then of course the paid, total paid claim, paid medical.

1431
01:52:07,825 --> 01:52:11,225
and, um, if we have other questions on,

1432
01:52:12,505 --> 01:52:16,285
uh, what the further titles are, please let me know and I will obtain that information

1433
01:52:16,865 --> 01:52:17,085
for you.

1434
01:52:27,705 --> 01:52:30,005
that's okay. It's been a long day. Thank you.

1435
01:52:58,945 --> 01:53:02,485
and I apologize, I usually have these highlighted for you. So you know, the ones that

1436
01:53:03,005 --> 01:53:06,885
are, um, only opened and I did not

1437
01:53:07,085 --> 01:53:10,805
get that done before this evening. But, but you can see the column where

1438
01:53:11,125 --> 01:53:15,125
it says, um, status, the c is foreclosed, the o is for

1439
01:53:15,325 --> 01:53:19,305
opened. Is there a reduction in the open cases since the

1440
01:53:19,525 --> 01:53:23,445
last time we looked at this or is it still the same? I believe it's still

1441
01:53:23,565 --> 01:53:26,715
the same. And then of course we unfortunately have

1442
01:53:27,755 --> 01:53:31,285
some added since your last report that's no longer fitting on one page.

1443
01:53:42,715 --> 01:53:46,645
okay, we'll move to item number 13. Escrow agreement. Reimbursement

1444
01:53:47,085 --> 01:53:49,865
of remaining balance. Cheers.

1445
01:53:57,475 --> 01:54:01,165
good evening commissioners. Um, in may of 2017,

1446
01:54:02,105 --> 01:54:05,685
seward county entered into an agreement with, um, pinnacle public finance.

1447
01:54:07,305 --> 01:54:10,465
it was in relation to your 360 energy

1448
01:54:11,325 --> 01:54:15,125
engineer project, um, that where services were done in several

1449
01:54:15,545 --> 01:54:19,505
of the different locations within the county. And it was to be an

1450
01:54:19,745 --> 01:54:23,635
energy project at that time. An escrow account was set up with

1451
01:54:23,985 --> 01:54:27,725
the bank of new york mellon trust company. We do have

1452
01:54:28,045 --> 01:54:31,205
a balance that's sitting in that escrow fund in the amount of $23,590

1453
01:54:34,065 --> 01:54:37,805
and 73 cents to be reimbursed to seward county.

1454
01:54:39,025 --> 01:54:42,005
I'm requesting approval to sign the joint letter of direction

1455
01:54:43,225 --> 01:54:46,765
and for you to authorize mary rose seward county treasurer to provide

1456
01:54:47,265 --> 01:54:50,605
wiring instructions, uh, for those funds to be released.

1457
01:54:52,905 --> 01:54:56,905
um, I've included that information in

1458
01:54:57,125 --> 01:55:01,005
your packet. I will need mary to, uh, provide me

1459
01:55:01,235 --> 01:55:04,645
with the wiring instructions to go along with said form.

1460
01:55:11,635 --> 01:55:15,485
does that terminate this agreement? And is that the end of any

1461
01:55:15,685 --> 01:55:19,325
funds that are in there? Do we know this? This will reimburse

1462
01:55:19,865 --> 01:55:23,165
the escrow funds that are in there. We still do have payments outstanding

1463
01:55:23,905 --> 01:55:27,525
in your budget for, um, the completion of that project. I'll second.

1464
01:55:29,875 --> 01:55:33,265
there's a motion by commissioner abbott, a seconded by commissioner fuller

1465
01:55:33,955 --> 01:55:37,675
show of right hands for approval where

1466
01:55:38,025 --> 01:55:41,905
they wanna deposit it. Yes, I was go, you can use it

1467
01:55:42,125 --> 01:55:45,405
to do additional payoff, um, or to apply towards

1468
01:55:46,145 --> 01:55:49,825
the payoff of the, I think it needs to apply to the payoff that mm-hmm

1469
01:55:50,285 --> 01:55:52,805
. Yeah, there's, there's no hope of ever getting money back.

1470
01:55:54,665 --> 01:55:58,305
it was a wasted $3 million. But anyway,

1471
01:56:01,435 --> 01:56:04,145
show of right hands for approval up.

1472
01:56:05,775 --> 01:56:06,325
don't disagree.

1473
01:56:11,675 --> 01:56:15,325
okay. Item 13 a and we're still off on the budget.

1474
01:56:15,825 --> 01:56:19,765
um, you know, it's, we're nearing last meeting of the year

1475
01:56:20,175 --> 01:56:23,865
would be my guess. That's a special meeting. So we're coming

1476
01:56:24,395 --> 01:56:28,125
into the new year. Uh, we promised the taxpayers,

1477
01:56:28,685 --> 01:56:31,225
I thought that we would review

1478
01:56:33,195 --> 01:56:36,285
what, no matter what the voter ruling is, that we would review the budget

1479
01:56:37,905 --> 01:56:41,725
and propose cuts to, to, to get our budget back to a reasonable amount.

1480
01:56:42,985 --> 01:56:46,925
um, I I think we need to hold to that as quick as we

1481
01:56:47,125 --> 01:56:51,045
can at the first year. We need to meet and get

1482
01:56:51,165 --> 01:56:55,105
these going. We, you know, we had, we mean the

1483
01:56:55,325 --> 01:56:59,265
energy deals, you know, we're stuck with that. Wasn't this commission, it

1484
01:56:59,485 --> 01:57:02,765
was 15 year agreement. I know there was some work done,

1485
01:57:03,745 --> 01:57:06,605
it was done under the pretense of it wouldn't cost anything,

1486
01:57:08,695 --> 01:57:12,645
$3 million flushed. So I think we need,

1487
01:57:12,905 --> 01:57:16,905
you know, we need to, we need to start some of the things we need to start for

1488
01:57:17,125 --> 01:57:21,005
sure at the first of the year, you know, our cuts. We need to look

1489
01:57:21,165 --> 01:57:24,365
at any, any non-profit. You know, I think we talked about that any non-profit

1490
01:57:25,255 --> 01:57:29,125
we're um, we hold that off till at least after

1491
01:57:29,385 --> 01:57:32,905
the, we, we get the voter ruling, see where we're at. Um,

1492
01:57:34,585 --> 01:57:37,805
you know, like credit cards. Quit buying clothing, you know,

1493
01:57:39,445 --> 01:57:42,565
I know sheriff's department has uniforms, fire department has uniforms,

1494
01:57:43,745 --> 01:57:45,965
but other than that, there's no need to be buying clothing.

1495
01:57:48,145 --> 01:57:52,105
um, just a pet peeve of mine. No candy, no pop,

1496
01:57:53,025 --> 01:57:53,485
no ice cream.

1497
01:57:57,865 --> 01:57:59,545
that's just my idea. So

1498
01:58:02,025 --> 01:58:05,845
we need to look at travel and we have spent

1499
01:58:07,345 --> 01:58:11,205
in one department, I know one trip, I think last month or month

1500
01:58:11,365 --> 01:58:14,925
before had to be around 3,500 to $4,000

1501
01:58:15,825 --> 01:58:19,765
or more. So I think we need, you know, we need

1502
01:58:20,005 --> 01:58:23,845
to be, if we're gonna be conservative, we need to act like it, you know,

1503
01:58:24,035 --> 01:58:27,465
it's not a blank check from the taxpayer. So

1504
01:58:30,375 --> 01:58:34,365
steve, if I challenge you to take the lead on that, I've got it. I've done it.

1505
01:58:34,995 --> 01:58:38,845
okay. Well instead of talking you follow through and do it. I'm tired. Plan awake

1506
01:58:39,125 --> 01:58:41,605
at night wondering how people are gonna pay their high taxes.

1507
01:58:43,145 --> 01:58:47,075
so, okay. We'll move to item 14. Executive

1508
01:58:47,685 --> 01:58:51,425
session. I was gonna say something if I could. Okay. Alright. Um,

1509
01:58:52,505 --> 01:58:56,235
uh, I think it was two weeks ago, might've been four weeks ago, there was discussion about were

1510
01:58:56,525 --> 01:59:00,445
we going to bring salary increases and raises before the

1511
01:59:00,605 --> 01:59:04,565
commission? Um, it is correct. We would have to modify resolution

1512
01:59:04,885 --> 01:59:08,005
2020 dash oh two in order to do that.

1513
01:59:11,505 --> 01:59:15,365
so if that's something we're going to consider, then we should probably look at what parts of that

1514
01:59:16,045 --> 01:59:20,045
resolution need to be modified. I mean, I would,

1515
01:59:21,305 --> 01:59:25,075
we could modify make a, we could put it on the next agenda with

1516
01:59:25,365 --> 01:59:28,805
a yes or no, like we normally get with the resolutions either

1517
01:59:29,625 --> 01:59:33,505
yes or no. And is that something we need to have for look at and

1518
01:59:34,845 --> 01:59:38,805
probably draft something, draft, I

1519
01:59:38,925 --> 01:59:42,805
don't know how you would do a new resolution or make a modification to

1520
01:59:43,005 --> 01:59:44,765
this one, but have him draft whatever's necessary.

1521
01:59:52,035 --> 01:59:55,965
does, does is for, does april know what you're looking for? And I can just work with april

1522
01:59:56,305 --> 02:00:00,265
to put that together. It's resolution 2020 stroke oh two,

1523
02:00:01,675 --> 02:00:05,505
that would just need modification so that at least for a certain period of

1524
02:00:05,725 --> 02:00:09,445
time, I don't know what that would be. That, uh, salary increases or raises

1525
02:00:09,845 --> 02:00:13,725
of any, any nature would need to come before the full commission due to budgetary

1526
02:00:14,125 --> 02:00:14,125
constraints.

1527
02:00:25,995 --> 02:00:29,675
that was it, scott. Okay. And I don't know if that, just

1528
02:00:30,565 --> 02:00:33,765
a thought if that can include other elected officials or not.

1529
02:00:35,665 --> 02:00:39,465
do we have any say so? Or

1530
02:00:39,685 --> 02:00:43,475
you can discuss that that would be, uh, forest, I,

1531
02:00:43,935 --> 02:00:47,675
I'm not comfortable answering that question as it regards to elected officials.

1532
02:00:48,395 --> 02:00:52,355
I don't know if you're able to offer any advice on that this evening or if that would

1533
02:00:52,515 --> 02:00:56,265
be something that we would need to get back to them on. Well,

1534
02:00:56,555 --> 02:01:00,555
I don't, I don't know what the original resolution said, so I guess I want to take a look at that

1535
02:01:00,695 --> 02:01:04,515
before I could offer an opinion on what we can do. And generally speaking, if you're talking about

1536
02:01:05,855 --> 02:01:09,685
increasing, um, you, you have the

1537
02:01:10,005 --> 02:01:13,705
authority to do that and you talk about decreasing, you start getting into issues of

1538
02:01:14,125 --> 02:01:17,925
ensuring that the, that each elected official, that their

1539
02:01:18,705 --> 02:01:22,605
budget is adequately funded, including compensation. But I, I'd rather look

1540
02:01:22,845 --> 02:01:26,725
at the, I'd rather look at the, uh, that's the resolution that

1541
02:01:26,965 --> 02:01:29,925
you're referring to amending before I offer any further opinion.

1542
02:01:32,105 --> 02:01:35,925
sounds good. I will send that tomorrow. Thank you.

1543
02:01:36,115 --> 02:01:36,115
okay.

1544
02:01:41,225 --> 02:01:44,965
any other, okay, we move to item 14,

1545
02:01:45,315 --> 02:01:46,915
executive session personnel.

1546
02:01:49,495 --> 02:01:51,725
hello? 20 minutes.

1547
02:01:54,995 --> 02:01:58,635
have a five minute break. Hmm? Yes. Yeah. What my, take

1548
02:01:59,005 --> 02:02:02,995
a little break please. Okay, lets take a break first. Well,

1549
02:02:03,445 --> 02:02:07,365
I can just, we can make our time. Okay. I, I moved

1550
02:02:07,565 --> 02:02:11,425
to recess into executive session for a consultation. Um,

1551
02:02:13,865 --> 02:02:17,445
no personnel. I'm sorry, wrong one. I move to recess

1552
02:02:17,915 --> 02:02:21,475
into executive session for discussion of personnel

1553
02:02:22,085 --> 02:02:25,725
matters of non-elected personnel under ksa 75 dash 43 19

1554
02:02:27,165 --> 02:02:30,745
b 1, 4 20 minutes to include the commission and

1555
02:02:34,015 --> 02:02:37,525
april warden. And that's it for attorney and forest

1556
02:02:38,145 --> 02:02:42,085
and forest roads attorney, uh, to reconvene in the

1557
02:02:42,245 --> 02:02:43,815
commission chambers at 7 53 7 58 58.

1558
02:02:52,695 --> 02:02:55,715
we'll take a five minute recess and then go into executive session. Okay.

1559
02:02:57,225 --> 02:03:00,845
uh, the discussion will be personnel match. Is there a second?

1560
02:03:01,705 --> 02:03:05,265
second. Okay. Motion by commissioner m. Second by commissioner abbott

1561
02:03:05,765 --> 02:03:07,535
sho of right answer biden

1562
02:03:16,195 --> 02:03:20,085
session. Please go sheriff forward on the call. We're back. Please call

1563
02:03:20,365 --> 02:03:23,885
sheriff ford. I moved to recess into executive session for discussion

1564
02:03:24,545 --> 02:03:27,525
of personal matters. You don't well, stephanie, we're in, we're in,

1565
02:03:28,655 --> 02:03:32,405
we're in the meeting. I moved to recess into executive

1566
02:03:32,845 --> 02:03:36,765
session for discussion of personnel matters of non-elected personnel

1567
02:03:37,205 --> 02:03:41,125
under ksa 75 43 19 b one for

1568
02:03:41,325 --> 02:03:45,325
15 minutes to include the commission in april. Warden to re

1569
02:03:45,885 --> 02:03:49,335
reconvene in the commission chambers at 8:14 pm

1570
02:03:52,825 --> 02:03:56,525
the subject matter of the discussion will be personnel matters.

1571
02:03:56,915 --> 02:04:00,645
okay. Is there a second, second show of right answer

1572
02:04:01,165 --> 02:04:01,165
approval.

1573
02:04:13,575 --> 02:04:17,205
okay, no action taken. Um,

1574
02:04:19,965 --> 02:04:23,705
so I moved to recess into executive session for consultation with our

1575
02:04:24,145 --> 02:04:28,025
attorney, which would be deemed privileged in the attorney-client relationship under

1576
02:04:28,665 --> 02:04:32,545
ksa 75 43 19 b2 for five minutes

1577
02:04:32,885 --> 02:04:35,795
to include the commission in april, warden and forest roads,

1578
02:04:37,145 --> 02:04:40,285
um, to reconvene in the commission chambers at 8 21.

1579
02:04:43,585 --> 02:04:47,405
the subject matter discussion will be, um, and brock

1580
02:04:47,985 --> 02:04:50,795
and I need brock speak. Oh, and brock also

1581
02:04:52,535 --> 02:04:56,085
brock finer. And the subject matter will be,

1582
02:04:58,185 --> 02:05:02,125
um, pending litigation. I'm sorry, pending litigation pending

1583
02:05:02,455 --> 02:05:05,865
legal. Got a second, second,

1584
02:05:06,625 --> 02:05:10,125
second. Show of right hands. Five minutes and half.

1585
02:05:12,025 --> 02:05:15,885
is he on there? Yes. All right. Got you back for us.

1586
02:05:23,035 --> 02:05:26,345
okay. We'll move to item 15. That's all here. Okay. Administration

1587
02:05:27,525 --> 02:05:31,465
comments, commissioners. Um, I sent you a friday report,

1588
02:05:32,345 --> 02:05:36,205
um, or a weekly update. Unfortunately, I was gone to kac last week,

1589
02:05:36,465 --> 02:05:40,445
so that report did not come to you until the weekend. Um, I did

1590
02:05:40,645 --> 02:05:44,565
share with you, I was at the kansas association of counties. There were a lot of good breakout sessions

1591
02:05:45,005 --> 02:05:48,715
that I was able to attend as well as was able to meet with kirk

1592
02:05:49,025 --> 02:05:52,405
and michael k work, k camp cic,

1593
02:05:53,545 --> 02:05:57,405
and other vendors that the county, uh, utilizes as well as

1594
02:05:57,795 --> 02:06:01,625
association group where we, um, shared

1595
02:06:02,165 --> 02:06:06,025
a lot of the same issues that our county is facing that other counties are facing. And

1596
02:06:06,245 --> 02:06:09,865
then we also had breakout sessions by population. Um,

1597
02:06:10,465 --> 02:06:14,365
but anyway, I feel like I listed all of that in my notes, um, for you to

1598
02:06:14,525 --> 02:06:18,355
review if you have any further questions. Um, on that, the legislative

1599
02:06:19,045 --> 02:06:22,585
policy for kac did pass, um,

1600
02:06:23,755 --> 02:06:27,605
unanimously by all the voting counties. Um, there are 102

1601
02:06:29,925 --> 02:06:33,515
counties of the 105 that are all a part of the kansas association

1602
02:06:34,205 --> 02:06:37,805
of counties. Um, I have nothing. I have nothing further

1603
02:06:38,235 --> 02:06:42,135
this evening. Okay, we'll

1604
02:06:42,485 --> 02:06:46,045
move. Sorry. I do, um, I've had, as some commissioners

1605
02:06:46,785 --> 02:06:50,725
ask me. Um, we are having monthly department head meetings and we do have

1606
02:06:50,965 --> 02:06:53,435
our next one this thursday at noon. Okay.

1607
02:06:56,035 --> 02:06:59,825
move to commission comments. Okay. Todd, do

1608
02:07:00,045 --> 02:07:04,045
you have anything? Uh, I

1609
02:07:04,165 --> 02:07:05,105
was gonna say something. Mr. Madden.

1610
02:07:08,715 --> 02:07:12,445
okay. Mr. M what? Do you have any

1611
02:07:12,765 --> 02:07:16,685
comments mr. Stephanie? Yeah, I'll come to her. Oh, you started with

1612
02:07:16,885 --> 02:07:20,805
todd, right? Yep. Not gonna go. Getting all jumbled up. You gonna mix us all?

1613
02:07:21,105 --> 02:07:24,845
no, I don't have any comments other than, you know,

1614
02:07:25,415 --> 02:07:29,275
merry christmas and happy new year. It doesn't even seem like weather wise,

1615
02:07:29,745 --> 02:07:33,625
it seemed like it's spring or fall, so sooner

1616
02:07:34,045 --> 02:07:36,965
or later we're gonna have to have to pay up. So that's all.

1617
02:07:38,555 --> 02:07:41,265
okay, move to commissioner fuller.

1618
02:07:42,605 --> 02:07:46,325
december 15th, 2025 to seward

1619
02:07:46,685 --> 02:07:50,365
county administrator. April warden, seward county board of commissioners,

1620
02:07:50,845 --> 02:07:53,965
county commissioners. Subject letter of resignation.

1621
02:07:55,555 --> 02:07:59,405
dear april warden and members of the board, I am deeply grateful

1622
02:07:59,605 --> 02:08:03,565
for the opportunity to serve the county. This journey has marked, been marked

1623
02:08:03,785 --> 02:08:07,725
by both accomplishments and challenges and throughout it all, I've sought to serve

1624
02:08:07,965 --> 02:08:11,785
with integrity, diligence, and a genuine heart for

1625
02:08:12,005 --> 02:08:15,725
the people. I believe every season of service is guided

1626
02:08:16,105 --> 02:08:20,065
by purpose and I am thankful for what god has allowed me

1627
02:08:20,425 --> 02:08:23,645
to accomplish together, allowed us to accomplish together.

1628
02:08:24,445 --> 02:08:27,885
I sincerely thank those who supported me, those prayed for me

1629
02:08:28,625 --> 02:08:32,605
and entrusted me with this responsibility. These pa the three, the past

1630
02:08:32,845 --> 02:08:36,245
three years have strengthened my faith, refined my leadership,

1631
02:08:37,225 --> 02:08:41,085
and deepened my commitment to public service. I am beginning a new chapter

1632
02:08:41,465 --> 02:08:44,845
in my life. Accordingly, I hereby tender my resignation

1633
02:08:45,625 --> 02:08:48,805
as county commissioner from district two. Effective immediately

1634
02:08:50,005 --> 02:08:53,665
I will remain in liberal for a few additional days to

1635
02:08:54,125 --> 02:08:58,085
complete necessary personnel paperwork. I trust the appropriate process

1636
02:08:58,555 --> 02:09:01,495
will res result in the appointment of a capable individual

1637
02:09:02,625 --> 02:09:05,845
who will continue to serve the community well for the remainder of the term.

1638
02:09:06,985 --> 02:09:10,905
it has been an honor to serve alongside my fellow commissioners and

1639
02:09:11,465 --> 02:09:15,005
the dedicated county employees. I pray for god's continued wisdom,

1640
02:09:16,205 --> 02:09:20,125
unity, and favor over this board and over seward county. I wish you

1641
02:09:20,325 --> 02:09:24,275
all a merry christmas and a happy new year. Nobody has seen this

1642
02:09:24,745 --> 02:09:28,725
for fear of it being leaked, so I read it for myself. I will submit this

1643
02:09:28,885 --> 02:09:32,885
copy to april. Thank you all so much for trusting me to serve you. And I do

1644
02:09:33,085 --> 02:09:37,035
apologize for the display that you witnessed tonight. It reminded me of dome

1645
02:09:37,325 --> 02:09:41,265
of domestic violence, which my mother killed herself when I was 12 years old, so

1646
02:09:41,625 --> 02:09:45,485
it triggered something in me. So I do apologize for that, but it's

1647
02:09:45,685 --> 02:09:49,325
been a joy serving you all. Thank you. Thank you. Commissioner scott.

1648
02:09:51,165 --> 02:09:55,025
commissioner carr, district three. I'll tender my

1649
02:09:55,245 --> 02:09:58,755
resignation first thing in the morning and 16th.

1650
02:10:00,145 --> 02:10:04,085
so the community wants the election recall. I'll give

1651
02:10:04,165 --> 02:10:08,035
it to you mr. Stanton. So you've been working hard on it, so I'll

1652
02:10:08,325 --> 02:10:08,725
leave it at that

1653
02:10:12,445 --> 02:10:16,005
september 15th. Who had ever dreamed that this community would've

1654
02:10:16,485 --> 02:10:20,485
acted like it did? Just because they didn't agree with the three

1655
02:10:20,685 --> 02:10:24,585
of us votes. We had been ridiculed, mocked,

1656
02:10:25,325 --> 02:10:29,225
cartoons drawn about us. It's pretty pathetic when the

1657
02:10:29,445 --> 02:10:33,325
three of us in that aspect were givers to this

1658
02:10:33,525 --> 02:10:37,385
community. As of three 10,

1659
02:10:38,085 --> 02:10:41,785
I signed a grant back in 23. Who'd have dreamed that one

1660
02:10:42,325 --> 02:10:45,785
signature on something that had happened for years before

1661
02:10:46,615 --> 02:10:50,585
would cause me to be recalled. This was my second recall

1662
02:10:51,425 --> 02:10:55,245
in the last few weeks, my family's been put up with b******t.

1663
02:10:55,945 --> 02:10:59,625
my in-laws 80 years plus has been called

1664
02:11:00,065 --> 02:11:03,915
out in public. And enough is enough. I've served with

1665
02:11:04,205 --> 02:11:08,125
three of the best people that I could ever think of with scott. Thank you

1666
02:11:08,465 --> 02:11:11,815
for sny. Thank you. And whatever this community says about april,

1667
02:11:12,545 --> 02:11:16,525
she has one of the most giving professional people that

1668
02:11:16,805 --> 02:11:20,585
I've ever known. And it makes me sick for people to

1669
02:11:20,865 --> 02:11:24,525
try to damage any of our reputations. We've all served with integrity

1670
02:11:25,345 --> 02:11:28,845
and honesty, and no one has done anything that has been

1671
02:11:29,845 --> 02:11:33,765
anything but legal. I wanna apologize

1672
02:11:34,505 --> 02:11:38,345
to the, uh, all the employees of this county you

1673
02:11:38,565 --> 02:11:42,185
guys serve with at utmost, uh,

1674
02:11:42,945 --> 02:11:46,625
professionalism. You guys all know your jobs well and

1675
02:11:47,045 --> 02:11:50,965
it saddens me that I feel like I'm disappointing you by not being able

1676
02:11:51,585 --> 02:11:55,445
to help seward county grow. I wanna

1677
02:11:55,685 --> 02:11:58,505
challenge you two, mr. Helm and mr. Stanton.

1678
02:12:00,345 --> 02:12:03,795
um, mr. Stanton, I'm glad to see you finally quit drawing mileage

1679
02:12:04,575 --> 02:12:08,365
money against the county since you claim to be

1680
02:12:08,795 --> 02:12:12,725
this god-fearing, uh, man that is so conservative. And steve,

1681
02:12:13,085 --> 02:12:17,075
I challenge you to step up into the role of leadership. You think it's been so easy?

1682
02:12:18,005 --> 02:12:21,965
I hope that you're the new, uh, county chair and you sign something and every

1683
02:12:22,205 --> 02:12:26,005
time you sign something, you think about the potential that you can get recalled.

1684
02:12:32,005 --> 02:12:35,725
I wish mr. Madden would be here. He speaks on behalf of the rest of the

1685
02:12:36,145 --> 02:12:40,045
county that I feel like only has half truths and does not know

1686
02:12:40,285 --> 02:12:44,045
the full story of what it means to sit up here and to know

1687
02:12:44,495 --> 02:12:48,465
everything that we know, that we've taken the upper hand and not spoke out

1688
02:12:48,795 --> 02:12:52,765
into the community. I wanna thank mr. Jose lara, your community's

1689
02:12:53,405 --> 02:12:57,205
dear member. Uh, mayor. I wanna thank mr. Hatcher and ms. Huddleston.

1690
02:12:57,815 --> 02:13:01,585
those are the three that signed the petition to recall me. I wish the

1691
02:13:01,925 --> 02:13:05,245
gop who I served for years in the leadership

1692
02:13:06,085 --> 02:13:10,005
position, that they can find someone that serves with as much as

1693
02:13:10,235 --> 02:13:13,845
integrity as we have as they have to fill these positions.

1694
02:13:14,625 --> 02:13:18,485
mr. What I wish you luck on your llcs on the

1695
02:13:18,665 --> 02:13:22,445
tax, uh, sale next month. Hope I didn't leave

1696
02:13:22,845 --> 02:13:26,105
anything out. I do

1697
02:13:26,995 --> 02:13:30,525
apologize again to the employees of this county. You guys deserve better.

1698
02:13:31,305 --> 02:13:35,305
you are good employees in april. Again, I am so sorry. This has all

1699
02:13:35,745 --> 02:13:39,605
had to happen to you with all your dedication. Merry christmas

1700
02:13:39,845 --> 02:13:43,085
to everyone. And may god bless this county and all you employees.

1701
02:13:46,305 --> 02:13:50,045
is there any suggestion cards? I will have my letter effective

1702
02:13:50,645 --> 02:13:54,465
in the morning also. Oh,

1703
02:13:54,685 --> 02:13:57,835
you ta you texting that already. Guys are letting her know.

1704
02:14:00,425 --> 02:14:04,345
um, fors recorded at all. If

1705
02:14:04,565 --> 02:14:07,345
you're with us still. Um,

1706
02:14:11,285 --> 02:14:15,205
I just know that, um, the letters of resignation will have

1707
02:14:15,405 --> 02:14:18,085
to go to the governor. You can, you resigned effective

1708
02:14:19,435 --> 02:14:23,025
tonight, but they'll go to the governor and you need to carbon copy the, um,

1709
02:14:25,375 --> 02:14:29,205
sorry. The dop, the chairman of the republican committee.

1710
02:14:30,825 --> 02:14:34,725
um, for the community. This means that no business on behalf of the

1711
02:14:34,845 --> 02:14:37,285
county can be conducted because we do not have a quorum.

1712
02:14:38,905 --> 02:14:38,905
um,

1713
02:14:44,355 --> 02:14:46,805
what about the employees and their pay? Yeah, I,

1714
02:14:49,545 --> 02:14:53,405
uh, forest, there's lots of questions right now

1715
02:14:53,565 --> 02:14:57,315
about the employees and pay. We have a payroll that

1716
02:14:57,605 --> 02:15:01,165
comes out monday or was supposed to come out monday. You just signed.

1717
02:15:02,395 --> 02:15:06,195
okay. So we're good for yeah, we signed two weeks. Good.

1718
02:15:06,665 --> 02:15:10,405
we already signed and the opia has two weeks before the next commission meeting.

1719
02:15:10,985 --> 02:15:13,125
you guys are good. You'll not leave you on control like that.

1720
02:15:19,905 --> 02:15:19,905
um,

1721
02:15:24,235 --> 02:15:28,105
what is the seward county policy on a quorum? How many is it four by

1722
02:15:28,565 --> 02:15:30,765
resolution? By resolution? Mm-hmm .

1723
02:15:33,285 --> 02:15:37,085
oh, gop has

1724
02:15:37,305 --> 02:15:40,945
their work cut out for 'em. However, I'm sure that they've been discussing that,

1725
02:15:41,325 --> 02:15:43,985
so oh yeah, they they've already been.

1726
02:15:45,365 --> 02:15:49,305
is there any suggestion cards? I'm sorry. How does,

1727
02:15:54,605 --> 02:15:58,435
if you guys wanna stick around, we can talk about that after

1728
02:15:58,785 --> 02:16:02,705
the meeting. Um, we can't, they cannot. No. Well, I mean

1729
02:16:03,085 --> 02:16:07,025
we only have two acting commissioners now, but, well, I didn't mean the, the commission,

1730
02:16:07,445 --> 02:16:10,705
um, forest. I'm sorry. There's so many questions. Do we just,

1731
02:16:12,645 --> 02:16:16,545
uh, run business as usual until it comes to a commission

1732
02:16:16,985 --> 02:16:20,945
meeting where we have to have I'm, I'm sorry. I'm only getting a

1733
02:16:21,065 --> 02:16:23,115
piece of that. I heard my name but I couldn't hear anything else. Sorry.

1734
02:16:25,225 --> 02:16:28,785
I assume all departments will remain open. We will run business

1735
02:16:30,145 --> 02:16:33,145
as usual. Um,

1736
02:16:34,205 --> 02:16:38,005
I have authorities as the county administrator under statute

1737
02:16:38,425 --> 02:16:40,595
and job description, but there are certain things that,

1738
02:16:42,785 --> 02:16:46,725
um, I will not possibly be able to

1739
02:16:47,245 --> 02:16:51,065
do and I do not have a chairman to report to at

1740
02:16:51,285 --> 02:16:55,245
this time. Uh, we do have vice chair steve helm who will step into that

1741
02:16:55,675 --> 02:16:58,285
role. We just don't have a quorum of commissioners

1742
02:16:59,865 --> 02:17:03,805
to take any action. I

1743
02:17:03,925 --> 02:17:07,685
personally want to thank the commissioners for their dedication. And I know that,

1744
02:17:08,185 --> 02:17:11,605
uh, takes a lot to sit in your

1745
02:17:12,405 --> 02:17:15,505
positions and to have, to make the decisions that you had to make and

1746
02:17:16,745 --> 02:17:20,675
in spite of what some

1747
02:17:21,365 --> 02:17:24,065
citizens think and what the media thinks. Um,

1748
02:17:25,595 --> 02:17:29,035
because I do feel like the community has been misled from

1749
02:17:29,995 --> 02:17:33,835
many perspectives. Um, just because there's

1750
02:17:34,565 --> 02:17:38,365
a lot that happens in government to make it run. I feel like we've

1751
02:17:38,735 --> 02:17:42,465
tried to be more transparent than ever and it,

1752
02:17:42,785 --> 02:17:46,645
it unfortunately didn't help. Um, and to mr. Madden,

1753
02:17:48,465 --> 02:17:52,445
um, who got up here tonight and, um, said the things that he

1754
02:17:52,605 --> 02:17:56,405
said until they sat in your chairs, they, they don't know the decisions

1755
02:17:56,685 --> 02:18:00,665
that you have to make and what you're forced to face. And

1756
02:18:00,995 --> 02:18:04,085
also, um, as a county administrator, I never,

1757
02:18:05,065 --> 02:18:09,005
um, make decisions alone. I value the expertise

1758
02:18:09,525 --> 02:18:12,985
of our department heads and always factor in

1759
02:18:13,835 --> 02:18:17,805
what they have to say to a particular, um, topic as well as

1760
02:18:17,945 --> 02:18:21,925
the many resources that the county has that we focus on. So it's

1761
02:18:22,205 --> 02:18:25,885
unfortunate that individuals get blamed for being the only

1762
02:18:26,785 --> 02:18:30,785
source of information, but it's called a lack of education. Um,

1763
02:18:33,065 --> 02:18:34,805
and, uh, I think we've lost three

1764
02:18:37,275 --> 02:18:40,665
good people in our community that gave a lot, um,

1765
02:18:41,345 --> 02:18:44,925
and had the best interest of the community at heart. And I'm sorry for the criticism,

1766
02:18:46,505 --> 02:18:49,505
um, that you've taken and for the belittling of,

1767
02:18:50,945 --> 02:18:54,885
and the endurance that your families have had to put up with as well. And thank

1768
02:18:55,125 --> 02:18:59,005
you for your leadership. April, I want to say, and to the community that's

1769
02:18:59,365 --> 02:19:03,285
listening, my family and I made this decision a year ago. There was a

1770
02:19:03,605 --> 02:19:06,685
surprise for the, uh, I, I was floored and shocked,

1771
02:19:07,665 --> 02:19:11,645
but um, when I went to florida for my nephew's wedding and our

1772
02:19:11,765 --> 02:19:15,545
40th first anniversary, we secured a property in florida. So

1773
02:19:15,785 --> 02:19:19,725
I'm not hiding anything. So I did not know about these other two, and I do apologize

1774
02:19:20,425 --> 02:19:24,215
for that. And I'm sure april can reach out to some, um, folks

1775
02:19:24,625 --> 02:19:28,605
and make sure we need, have the decision makers that we need. We have other elected officials

1776
02:19:29,025 --> 02:19:32,375
in here, uh, that's elected officials. Hopefully they can commandeer

1777
02:19:33,045 --> 02:19:35,045
them and get the business of the county moving forward.

1778
02:19:39,175 --> 02:19:39,525
thank you.

1779
02:19:49,385 --> 02:19:52,075
is there a motion? Nope.

1780
02:19:53,435 --> 02:19:57,365
yeah. Citizen comments until tomorrow. I

1781
02:19:57,485 --> 02:20:01,405
didn't resign until tomorrow. Oh, you two can do, they

1782
02:20:01,685 --> 02:20:05,555
can still do things. Is there a motion? So they're not resigning until tomorrow. Motion by commissioner rabbitt,

1783
02:20:06,305 --> 02:20:10,245
second by commissioner hill show of right answer approval. April. Before they

1784
02:20:10,405 --> 02:20:14,325
do that, I resigned today. Is there other business that needs to take

1785
02:20:14,445 --> 02:20:18,185
care of you have the bi burden of midnight oil so that you have a quorum. That's

1786
02:20:18,605 --> 02:20:22,525
what I thought. I didn't know why it was in, that's why I handed it to

1787
02:20:22,685 --> 02:20:26,565
you. No, I thought I thought was good. Are you sure?

1788
02:20:26,955 --> 02:20:29,485
yeah. I mean, there's, I think I can approve.

1789
02:20:34,665 --> 02:20:34,885
hey, there's.