1 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:17,000 Commissioner Sandhu Commissioner Redding 2 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:19,000 Commissioner Cheras >> Here. 3 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:20,600 » Commissioner Vanderveen >> Here. 4 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:24,560 » Commissioner Robbins >> Here. 5 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:28,560 » Great. Second item is approval of the agenda. Is there anything that needs to 6 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:31,280 be added or removed from the agenda as it is stated today? 7 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:32,960 » No. >> All right. Can I get a motion to 8 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:34,960 approve? >> So moved. 9 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:38,080 » Second. >> Thank you. 10 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:40,000 Uh we'll need a all approve say I. 11 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:42,920 » I. >> I. 12 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:48,560 » All opposed say nay. All right. That passes. Uh third item is 13 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:53,680 recognition of the board by any interested citizens for anything that's 14 00:00:50,160 --> 00:00:53,680 not on the agenda today. 15 00:00:53,710 --> 00:00:58,200 » [snorts] >> Seeing and hearing none. 16 00:00:56,280 --> 00:01:03,040 I will move to the consent agenda which is the approval of the minutes for the 17 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:07,320 last meeting of July 9th. Any changes that need to be made to the 18 00:01:04,839 --> 00:01:09,430 minutes from July 9th? >> Hopefully we spelled everyone's name 19 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:13,840 right. >> [laughter] 20 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:19,600 » Mr. Chair, I'll move approval of the Board of Adjustment uh minutes for July 21 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:23,480 9th, 2026. >> Thank you, Mr. Robbins. 22 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:26,040 We need a second. >> I got a second. 23 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:29,720 » Okay. All right. We got a second. 24 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:33,960 Uh all those I I will abstain as I was not at the meeting on July 9th. 25 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,800 Uh but all those in favor say I. >> I. 26 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:38,040 » I. >> I. 27 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:38,040 » All opposed say nay. 28 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:44,080 All right. Uh fifth item, other business. Uh any other business? No, 29 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:48,280 nothing? Great. Then [clears throat] I will entertain a 30 00:01:45,320 --> 00:01:52,720 motion to adjourn to our next meeting which would be September 3rd, I believe. 31 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:55,320 » So moved. >> Thank you, Mr. Robbins. 32 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:58,280 » Second. >> Thank you, Mr. Vanderveen. All in favor 33 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:03,360 say aye. Aye. >> I. All opposed say nay. 34 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:08,399 We are adjourned. >> All right. Thank you. 35 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:11,560 And now I'll call to order this meeting of the Charlevoix Planning Commission. 36 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:13,800 Uh we'll start with item one on the agenda, roll call. 37 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:15,280 » Commissioner Forsythe. >> Here. 38 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:17,520 » Commissioner Wheeler. >> Here. 39 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:19,840 » Commissioner Sandhu. Commissioner Redding. 40 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:21,520 Commissioner Cheres. >> Here. 41 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:23,000 » Commissioner Vanderveen. >> Here. 42 00:02:21,959 --> 00:02:26,040 » Commissioner Robbins. >> Here. 43 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:29,160 » Thank you. Now we're going to on to item two, approval of the agenda. Are there 44 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:31,360 any changes or additions to the agenda? >> Nope. 45 00:02:29,959 --> 00:02:32,920 » Hearing none, I'll entertain a motion to approve it. 46 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,680 » So moved. >> Commissioner Robbins, is there a second? 47 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:38,720 » Second. >> Commissioner Cheres with the second. Any 48 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:40,520 discussion on approving the agenda? All in favor? 49 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:43,680 » Aye. >> Any opposed? Great. Moving on to item 50 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:46,480 three, recognition by the Planning Commission of interested citizens. Is 51 00:02:44,920 --> 00:02:50,600 there anybody here that would like to speak on something that's not on the 52 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,600 agenda? 53 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:55,959 All right. Move on to item four, consent agenda. The only item in the consent 54 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:59,040 agenda is the approval of meeting minutes from July 9th. 55 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:03,080 Are there any changes or additions to the minutes? 56 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:05,560 No. Hearing none, I'll entertain a motion to approve the consent agenda. 57 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:07,600 » So moved. >> Commissioner Vanderveen, is there a 58 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:10,000 second? Commissioner Robbins with the second. 59 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:14,040 Commissioner Wheeler will abstain from the vote. Any discussion on those 60 00:03:12,239 --> 00:03:16,000 meeting minutes? Hearing none, all in favor? 61 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:19,280 » Aye. >> Aye. Any opposed? 62 00:03:17,920 --> 00:03:21,760 All right, that passes unanimously. We'll go on to item five. The only thing 63 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:24,920 on general business today is a public 64 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:29,760 hearing with a request to amend city code section 151.002 65 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:33,239 and 151.007K related to the definition of cannabis 66 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:38,640 cultivator, indoor cannabis cultivation, and manufacturing uses in the highway 67 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:39,440 business B1 zoning district. Is there a uh 68 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:42,000 » Mr. Chair. >> Yeah. 69 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:43,280 First of all, I'll entertain a motion to open the public hearing. 70 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:45,720 » So moved. >> Commissioner Robbins, is there a second? 71 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:48,400 » Second. >> Commissioner Vanderveen with the second. 72 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:52,080 Any discussion on opening the public hearing? 73 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:54,680 Hearing none, all in favor? Any 74 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:57,800 Thank you, Mr. Kurski. Is there a presentation from staff? 75 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:14,720 So again, this is an ordinance amendment to this public hearing to amend title XV 76 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:19,480 chapter 151 section 151.002 definitions and 151.007K 77 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:23,160 table of uses related to cannabis cultivator definition 78 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:29,200 and cannabis cultivation and manufacturing in the B1 zoning district. 79 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:35,320 So the city council, some background, the city council approved this ordinance 80 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:38,760 in December 17th, 2024. It amended these city code sections by adding cannabis 81 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:41,720 and lower potency hemp use classifications. 82 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:45,840 Ordinance was written by the city attorney's office, so the use is either 83 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:49,280 permitted in the letter P or not permitted, which is blank but in the 84 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:54,320 zoning district in the use table with the subscript references for additional 85 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:57,600 conditions of approval. Any endorsement received from the state 86 00:04:55,760 --> 00:05:01,840 of Minnesota's office of cannabis management, the OCM, for cannabis 87 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:06,919 microbusiness, mesobusiness, or medical cannabis combination business must all 88 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:10,240 per permitted in the zoning district to be allowed. 89 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:14,800 Rory Cummings, applicant, and Tom Madden, business partner, have 90 00:05:11,919 --> 00:05:19,280 pre-approval from the OCM for cannabis microbusiness license with retail 91 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:23,360 endorsement. They're requesting three ordinance amendments related to allow 92 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:30,320 indoor cultivation and manufacturing in the lease space at 491 Marshall Road in 93 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:30,320 the B1 zoning district. 94 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:36,800 Uh they request to modify the definition for cannabis cultivator to outline what 95 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:40,160 is allowed versus what the license license holder can do. 96 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:43,480 The current definition written by the city attorney was a business with a 97 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:46,760 cannabis cultivator license or cultivation endorsement from the state 98 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:51,680 of Minnesota office of Cannabis Management. Proposed definition 99 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:55,880 same as the city of Chaska's cannabis cultivation means a cannabis business 100 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:59,360 license to grow cannabis plants within the approved amount of space from 101 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:02,920 seed or immature plant to mature plant, harvest the cannabis flower from mature 102 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:06,840 plant, packaging and labeling mature plants and seedlings and cannabis flower 103 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:10,680 for sale to other cannabis businesses, transport cannabis flower to 104 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:15,400 a cannabis manufacturer located in the same premises, and perform other actions 105 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:18,880 approved by the OCM. Changing the definition as proposed 106 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:23,240 would result in different format for this definition than all the other 107 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:26,640 cannabis definitions and raises concerns if the state changes their language in 108 00:06:24,919 --> 00:06:30,600 the rules and statutes in the future, which we may not align with them. 109 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:37,200 They have uh let's see here. Come on. 110 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:41,520 There we go. Request to change the use table to allow 111 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:46,480 indoor cannabis cultivation up to 5,000 sq ft and cannabis manufacturing in the 112 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:49,760 high wind highway business B1 zoning district. 113 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:54,160 City code allows cannabis cultivation and manufacturing in light industry, the 114 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:58,680 I1 and heavy industry I2 zoning districts along with limited retail with 115 00:06:56,000 --> 00:07:03,240 a maximum of 15% of operational area or 2,000 sq ft, whichever is less. 116 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:07,800 The intent of the B1 zoning district is to offer goods and services directly to 117 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:12,360 the ultimate consumer. Horticulture not involving retail sales and manufacturing 118 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:15,680 are currently not permitted in the B1 district. 119 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:19,960 The 2040 comprehensive plan guides the B1 zone properties as mixed-use 120 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:23,480 commercial corridor or mixed-use commercial center, amending the city 121 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:28,040 code to allow industrial uses in these commercial classifications would be in 122 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:31,880 conflict with the comprehensive plan. B1 also includes residences and a 123 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:35,800 majority of the properties abut residential zoning districts. There are 124 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:40,240 concerns related to compatibility with adjacent commercial businesses, 125 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:46,280 neighborhood residential uses, odor, noise, and security. 126 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:51,040 So, here's our zoning map. B1 is sort of the this color right here. 127 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:56,560 So, it would be a significant amount of area. Here's the downtown. B1 covers 128 00:07:53,360 --> 00:08:02,480 this entire area. And then also out in Southbridge, that's a large B1 district 129 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:06,040 also along Marshall Road here. Um this is all B1. 130 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:14,760 So, the proposed ordinance under a subscript 61A is to request to modify 131 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:18,320 the subscript A to remove language of each endorsement received or when 132 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:20,800 combined must follow the current language states cannabis 133 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:24,919 microbusinesses, cannabis meso-businesses, and medical cannabis 134 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:27,919 combination businesses may be zoned based on each endorsement received or 135 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:31,800 when combined must follow the designations for each license in the use 136 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:36,120 table. This was written by the city's attorney's office to ensure that both a 137 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:39,400 license type examples of microbusiness, meso-business, medical cannabis 138 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:44,280 combination business any endorsement received by OCM are 139 00:08:41,919 --> 00:08:48,600 permitted in a specific zoning district um to be allowed. Removing the language 140 00:08:46,560 --> 00:08:52,480 as proposed would allow any license type to operate with any combination of 141 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:56,400 endorsements in any district where that license type is allowed regardless of 142 00:08:54,760 --> 00:09:02,080 whether the individual endorsements are otherwise allowed. 143 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:07,280 So, here's the current B1. So, basically we allow 144 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:12,040 low-potency hemp um cannabis retail and cannabis microbusiness in the B1 zone 145 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:18,040 right now. You can see over here I1 and I2 have a significant number uh of a 146 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:18,040 more allowed uses. 147 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:23,080 So, staff recommendation is denial of the proposed ordinance amendments with 148 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:27,680 the following findings. Cannabis cultivation manufacturing uses are not 149 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:30,800 in the spirit or intent of the B1 um zoning district. B1 zoning district 150 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:33,960 includes both commercial and residential. 151 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:37,560 Proximity of cannabis cultivation and manufacturing uses to non-cannabis 152 00:09:35,839 --> 00:09:41,320 related commercial businesses abutting residential zoning districts as well as 153 00:09:39,560 --> 00:09:46,920 existing residential homes raises concerns including but not limited to 154 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:50,760 odor, noise, and security. The 2040 comprehensive plan guides the B1 zone 155 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:54,640 properties as mixed-use commercial corridor or mixed-use commercial center, 156 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:58,680 which does not allow any type of industrial use. Amending the city code 157 00:09:56,600 --> 00:10:03,320 to allow industrial uses would be in conflict with the comprehensive plan. 158 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:06,320 Modifying the definition of cannabis cultivator to list what is allowed 159 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:09,640 instead of referring to the state required license for a specific 160 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:13,360 definition would result in this definition being dramatically different 161 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:16,400 format than all the other cannabis definitions and may result in confusion 162 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:19,600 in the future, particularly if the language in the 163 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:23,120 rules and statutes are amended or no longer aligned with the city 164 00:10:20,680 --> 00:10:26,520 definitions. Eliminating the requirement all cannabis license types and 165 00:10:24,560 --> 00:10:30,360 endorsements to follow the designations in the use table would result in 166 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:33,960 industrial uses operating in any district where a license type is 167 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:38,720 permitted, which was not the intent of the original ordinance um 02024-11. 168 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:46,760 » Thank you for that. Uh before we 169 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:49,040 have anybody up to speak, do we have any uh questions for city staff? 170 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:53,600 » Miss Chair, >> um 171 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,600 um Mike um 172 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:59,800 I'm I'm trying to 173 00:10:57,560 --> 00:11:03,960 get my hands around this endorsement, this um 174 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:07,720 um definition 175 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:10,200 of the endorsements and lack of endorsements. Can you walk me through 176 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:13,760 that again? >> So, basically when you get your 177 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:16,760 approvals from the Office of Cannabis Management, you get certain 178 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:21,360 endorsements. So, you can get a retail endorsement, you can get a you know, 179 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:25,080 basically a license to grow. So, when the city attorney working with 180 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:27,839 the state and other the League of Minnesota Cities, 181 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:32,320 um they came up with kind of a policy that 182 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:35,000 the endorsements would follow the zoning districts. That's how we came up with 183 00:11:33,680 --> 00:11:39,240 the table. Um I think the biggest issue here is 184 00:11:37,560 --> 00:11:43,800 allowing any It doesn't matter whether it's cannabis or otherwise, any kind of 185 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:48,480 manufacturing or production of anything in the B1 186 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:52,520 district opens us up I mean, that's a comprehensive plan 187 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:56,640 change, so that's going to be a Met Council 188 00:11:54,120 --> 00:12:01,840 discussion, full Council discussion beyond this ordinance, and 189 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:04,960 I'm not sure that would go well because it 190 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:09,440 You know, in the B1 district, we allow residential two ways. Either you can be 191 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:13,360 a standalone multifamily, so an apartment building. 192 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:18,760 You can do high-density townhomes, or you can do mixed use, and those are 193 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:22,120 allowed by right, so it's going to change the whole character 194 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:27,680 basically of the B1 district. >> Just to be clear, if I understood if 195 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:31,760 these amendments go through, then any use 196 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:35,480 uh would be uh allowable in some of the B1 districts. 197 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:37,680 » Yeah. I mean, I think that's the concern. 198 00:12:36,560 --> 00:12:41,839 » it didn't It wouldn't have to be cannabis. 199 00:12:38,839 --> 00:12:41,839 » Yeah. I mean, I 200 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:47,280 Chair and members, I think the issue is that 201 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:51,200 it opens kind of the Pandora's Box. It's very difficult to limit, you know, you 202 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:55,600 For instance, if you want to do automotive repair, I mean, that's not a 203 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:58,960 by right, that's by conditional use um cuz that's already set up in our 204 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:04,600 code. Um I think the proposed changes would 205 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:07,920 make it really difficult to do some uses. I mean, we would end up with, for 206 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:12,640 instance, a cannabis store or manufacturing 207 00:13:09,839 --> 00:13:15,120 growing in an apartment building by right. 208 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:19,000 » Thank you, Mr. Chair. >> Yeah, thanks. 209 00:13:17,839 --> 00:13:22,320 » I have questions for >> Okay. Any other questions for staff? 210 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:30,040 » The notes said Chaska does it differently. So, is Chaska not in 211 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:32,360 alignment with state language? >> No. 212 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:35,400 » No, they're not in alignment. >> Correct. 213 00:13:34,680 --> 00:13:38,720 » Correct. Okay, thank you. >> Yeah, I mean we we have believe it or 214 00:13:36,680 --> 00:13:42,400 not we have a cannabis attorney at the city attorney's office and they're out 215 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:45,800 of alignment. They're one of the few cities that did not kind of follow the 216 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:48,800 lead. >> That's what I was going to ask. So, 217 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:52,840 Chaska is sounds like more of the exception than 218 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:56,120 the rule and and the rule is more likely what we're doing where it says 219 00:13:54,600 --> 00:14:01,840 just match what the state does. >> right right now today you can go sell 220 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:05,800 cannabis in the B1 district. We if you remember the city council did not 221 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:08,520 there's no parameters, distance requirements. They said, "Look, you 222 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:12,320 know, we don't have distance requirements for liquor stores. So, if 223 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:15,480 you want to open a cannabis retailer next to a school, have at it." And so 224 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:19,440 it's >> But you can't for example grow the 225 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,560 grapes to make the wine in a B1 district. 226 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:21,280 » Correct. >> Right. 227 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:26,560 » Yeah. >> In the same way that you couldn't grow 228 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:30,800 the leaves to make the cannabis in >> Yeah, so so for instance a a good 229 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:34,560 example would be a nursery. So, they're allowed in B1 district, but 230 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:37,600 they're not growing the plants there. They come from a farm. So, when you go 231 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:40,320 to uh 232 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:43,240 Bachman's or you know, some kind of nursery plant, you're buying a 233 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:47,920 a plant that you're going to go home and plant in the ground. I mean, it's not a 234 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:52,000 seed which you take home and grow. I mean, they don't have 235 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:55,640 any greenhouses or things like that. So, any of the things you see Home Depot or 236 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:58,200 Lowe's, they're not growing any of the plants 237 00:14:56,800 --> 00:15:01,000 there. They're all brought in from outside the district. 238 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:03,200 » Thank you. >> Got it. 239 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:06,839 » Anything else from city from for city staff I should say? 240 00:15:05,839 --> 00:15:10,280 » All right, this is the public hearing. Is there anybody here that like to speak 241 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:10,280 on this? 242 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:15,280 And if you do come up, uh please sign your name 243 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:17,560 uh in there. Uh 244 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:21,560 both of you if you could. Then we'll let you hear what you have to 245 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:21,560 say. 246 00:15:54,345 --> 00:15:56,365 » [clears throat] 247 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:10,880 » And just while they're signing in, so the process here is whatever you all 248 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:14,120 decide then goes on to the city council. If they 249 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:20,320 decide to move this forward, we'd have to ask the city attorney to come up with 250 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:20,320 a ordinance which we'd have to publish. 251 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:25,440 » Thank you for that. 252 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:47,800 » How are you all doing tonight? >> Very good. How about yourselves? 253 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:51,400 » Good. Glad to If you wouldn't mind introducing yourselves and then 254 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:54,080 » Yes, my name is Rory. It's very nice to meet you all. 255 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:58,600 » My name's Tom Madden. >> Thanks. 256 00:16:56,600 --> 00:17:01,880 » Excuse me, Rory. Rory what? >> Rory Cummings. 257 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:05,600 » Thank you. >> Firstly, I'd like to thank you all for 258 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:07,959 being here today and listening to our proposal. 259 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:12,839 Uh I hear your concerns and I believe that 260 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:16,400 some of those concerns are very valid, such as smell, odor. 261 00:17:15,839 --> 00:17:20,720 Um one of the big concerns that our 262 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:25,040 landlord also had was the odor with cultivating cannabis. 263 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:30,360 And one of the endorsements actually that we had skipped to make sure that 264 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:34,440 odor was under control is the onsite consumption. 265 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:39,240 Uh, the onsite consumption would create a very strong odor in the 266 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:44,000 area. Um, 267 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:49,640 very very similar to a cannabis grow operation. Generally, cannabis will not 268 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:53,680 smell until about the last month right before harvest. 269 00:17:51,440 --> 00:18:00,920 And that cannabis flower is then packaged and sold. And that flower will 270 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:03,840 be ripe and so it will have a smell uh 271 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:07,640 from consumer to sale. The 272 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:11,720 um, cultivation of cannabis as well 273 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:14,040 is uh 274 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:19,880 we propose to do them through grow tents, which would have inline filters 275 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:25,360 and carbon filters. And on top of that, the OCM does require us to have a 276 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:33,560 negative pressure HVAC system, which would also include a large uh carbon 277 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:36,960 filter system to help remove any smell. Um, 278 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:42,600 and with that system, that would be implemented on top of these tents, which 279 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:47,440 would essentially double the filtration that's being used currently. 280 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:49,600 » So, to give you an idea, 70% >> just moving the mic over yourself while 281 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:53,720 you're speaking, thank you. >> give you an idea, 70% of the plant's 282 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:58,720 life is odorless. Um, so 283 00:18:55,760 --> 00:19:03,360 it's only in the last 30% does it start to get odor. And as the plant matures, 284 00:19:01,120 --> 00:19:08,640 the odor gets stronger. So, it comes out initially very faint. And then as you 285 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:12,320 get closer to maturity, that's when the odor um 286 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:15,040 is is is is is stronger. 287 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:19,240 But, um you know, as much as we're all concerned 288 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:24,760 about the odor, our landlord was was on another level. So, before we even 289 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:30,520 suggested um doing our small grow, we went through 290 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:35,080 the landlord and we've got estimates. And so, the OCM has their level of 291 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:40,480 filtration systems, so we're going above and beyond that. So, we're going to have 292 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:43,920 a massive filtration system. Even though the plants themselves will 293 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:48,840 be in in these tents, and they're called grow 294 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:53,680 tents. You can think of them like um they're almost like in capsules, like 295 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:57,520 like like space in capsules. So, they have this filtration system within the 296 00:19:55,720 --> 00:20:01,960 tent themselves that basically releases all the odor 297 00:19:59,360 --> 00:20:07,760 out. So, it's going to have multiple layers on top of what the state requires 298 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:13,680 um to reduce any odor. And uh so, we we think the plan we have 299 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:17,720 for the last 30% of the plant's life, and it's really the last 5% is when the 300 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:22,280 odor gets strong, we'll we'll be removing all of it cuz the the grow will 301 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:27,840 be so small. We're only going to use about 1,000 sq ft for this small grow. 302 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:31,720 Um and we're simply trying to do it because it's impossible to find product, 303 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:37,120 so we try to find creative ways we can actually open our store after waiting 3 304 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:42,920 years to open our our store um in another location. So, we worked this 305 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:47,840 out with the landlord and um and but we we we we want to work as we have with 306 00:20:45,120 --> 00:20:51,600 Minnetonka for 13 years, um and Chanhassen for 5 years, you know, we 307 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:55,520 want to work with the city and hopefully come up with a solution that's good for 308 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:58,920 everybody, you know, on this on this issue. Um 309 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:04,080 do you want to elaborate? >> On the on the on the brewery there. 310 00:21:01,120 --> 00:21:08,400 » Yeah, and so, one other thing that we've noted is that breweries and uh 311 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:14,240 do uh zone in the B1 zone, which those do 312 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:20,080 allow the manufacturing, the sale, and the consumption of alcohol, which would 313 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:25,400 be similar to a cannabis dispensary um with their operations of 314 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:30,040 manufacturing, growing, and the sale in the B1 zone. 315 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:33,360 » And and on top of that, breweries uh we There is a brewery on map next to our 316 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:38,080 Minnetonka store, and the amount of noise they make versus 317 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:42,560 a plant growing, which is basically there is no noise, 318 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:47,720 is is is exponentially higher for the brewery. So, I know another another 319 00:21:45,120 --> 00:21:50,480 issue was the noise, but um you know, anyone who does any gardening 320 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:55,280 knows that when you grow a plant, there is there there is no noise. Um in fact, 321 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:59,560 the HVAC system that we're putting in will be the loudest noise we'll have in 322 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:03,040 the whole process. When that kicks in, 323 00:22:01,360 --> 00:22:06,560 cuz we have the same one in Minnetonka, when that kicks in, that that will be 324 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:10,160 the loudest noise in the whole process. Cuz, you know, not only are they 325 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:14,560 encapsulated, but they're just they're just growing like any plant. So, there's 326 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:17,880 no noise issue that we're aware of anyone who 327 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:20,920 anyone who does this. >> So, 328 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:23,080 Do you have more to say? Otherwise, we can certainly ask. 329 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:23,800 » just going to talk about the security, too. 330 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:27,520 » Oh, go ahead. >> Yeah, yeah. That was the third issue 331 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:33,080 that we thought it was. So, go ahead and >> Yeah. And so, along with the security 332 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:37,880 issue, um that OCM requires us to have very strict security regardless of if 333 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:43,760 it's a retail, cultivation, manufacturing, 334 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:49,720 um and so, all of our um all of our processes would be done up to 335 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:54,560 OCM standards. And along so, we would also include having a higher-tiered 336 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:59,080 security system than what is the base requirement from OCM. 337 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:02,880 And so, this includes 24-hour monitoring, 338 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:07,400 um the ability to save recordings for up to um, 339 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:12,840 3 to 6 months, which allows for if there is anything that occurs on site, we can 340 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:19,760 instantly pull up the footage and view it or pass it on to whoever we may need 341 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:25,360 to. Um, and this would also allow us to hold a uh, stricter 342 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:28,000 uh, what's the word I'm looking for? A 343 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:35,800 Mhm. It would allow us to essentially um, 344 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:41,520 streamline the process of security between if we were doing retail sales or 345 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,520 cultivation. 346 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:44,880 » I I wanted >> Go ahead, yeah. 347 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:48,480 » to make one more comment, too, just cuz I know uh, Mr. Robinson had a question 348 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:54,600 about the endorsement process. And when we filled our our licenses out, 349 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:58,080 it's you literally just just tick a box of what endorsements you want. And 350 00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:02,120 because um, the price of license is the same whether 351 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:07,480 you tick all the all four boxes or one box, you know, most people tick the 352 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:12,320 boxes. The only box we didn't test tick was the one to use the product in the 353 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:17,880 store cuz no matter what road we went down, we did not want 354 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:22,640 people um, in our dispensaries just basically uh, using the product in the 355 00:24:20,120 --> 00:24:26,000 store and creating a lot of smell. So, just give you a 2-minute background, we 356 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:28,960 started um, we we have a vape store in Minneapolis 357 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:33,480 in Minnetonka that we started 13 years ago to help people stop smoking. My My 358 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:36,520 ex-wife was a smoker and when I bought her electronic cigarette, we went all 359 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:42,360 over in Anoka. We went to about a dozen stores and all six had had uh, 360 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:46,280 guys in hoodies and couches blowing big clouds and it was very intimidating. So, 361 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:49,200 we tried to make a vape store for women and we wanted to make sure that that 362 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:53,960 none of those odors were available at that time. Um, and to extrapolate to the 363 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:58,360 current world, we wanted to have the same kind of atmosphere. We want uh, 364 00:24:56,000 --> 00:25:04,200 well-lit stores, but the last thing we wanted anywhere in our 13-year journey 365 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:07,200 down this road is to have odors. One 366 00:25:05,360 --> 00:25:10,240 I I I you know, I I I don't think I think it's offensive for the people 367 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:15,160 around us. Two, it's I don't want to be that kind of neighbor to my 368 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:20,760 to the other people around me in in my where we lease our space in Minnetonka, 369 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:24,160 Chanhassen, or Shakopee. So, the odor issue has been something that 370 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:28,280 we've been on top of since the beginning. We started this process 3 371 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:32,760 years ago when when the state first looked at past 342, the cannabis bill. 372 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:39,200 » Thank you. And before we get into the questions, can you just talk a little 373 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:43,800 bit about why you chose this location at 491 Marshall rather than a location 374 00:25:41,120 --> 00:25:46,760 that's in I1 or I2 already? >> It is so hard. 375 00:25:45,817 --> 00:25:51,680 » [laughter] >> It is It is so hard to find a space 376 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:55,720 between the city zoning. So, we looked at So, so 377 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:59,800 just give you an example, I'm going to take I'll answer your question. I want 378 00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:04,120 to take a step back, too. But we looked at properties ev- 379 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:06,520 in like all over the Twin Cities. >> 200 380 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:12,640 » Yeah, 200 areas. We had a spreadsheet of 200 areas in the Twin Cities to look for 381 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:16,440 potential cannabis spots. So, when you get through the zoning 382 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:21,400 and the city requirements and the state requirements. So, for example, 383 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:26,200 the state does not allow you to have a dispensary 384 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:30,320 500 ft of a of a school. Or or or a nursery, right? Great. We We don't want 385 00:26:28,360 --> 00:26:33,280 to do that, either. But that that's a requirement. And then when you get 386 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:36,800 through all the hurdles, what we've learned is 387 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:41,280 if you're if the landlord is anyone who's national, you will never get a 388 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:44,720 spot because the product itself is only legal in 28 states. They don't want to 389 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:49,920 deal with that. So, now you've eliminated like 80% of all spots in in 390 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:55,040 the Twin Cities area. So, now you have to find a landlord that is local, that 391 00:26:52,920 --> 00:27:01,120 is small, that is willing to use the product, that is is open to the product. 392 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:06,280 And um we looked we looked for I mean how long it took us 393 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:10,480 what 18 19 at least at least 18 to 24 months to find the Shakopee location. 394 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:13,600 And they were I know there was at least three other people who bid on were 395 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:19,480 trying to get that spot with the landlord. So um so it's it's it's 396 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:23,440 it's next to it's literally next to impossible to find these spots. Um 397 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:28,400 so >> And again in B1 you could run a micro 398 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:32,160 business or a retailer. So why have you decided to 399 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:35,440 uh you know, in essence kind of push the issue to also grow in this location 400 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:39,480 rather than just run a micro business and a retailer in this location? 401 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:41,120 » There there is I was just saying there is no supply. 402 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:45,280 » Mhm. >> So there I mean there is no supply. So 403 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:49,640 we were working with the grower out in Hutchinson and we agreed on a price 404 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:52,840 and that's why we've had the spot for a year. That's when we we switched to this 405 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:56,480 in May. So we agreed to a price the whole time. We helped him 406 00:27:54,640 --> 00:28:02,160 we helped him with all his regulations, get his business up. And then in April 407 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:06,120 when we met to uh to sign off on the purchase, he was going to charge us four 408 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:10,960 times the going rate. And the the numbers I ran, if we were to 409 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:15,120 pay that price, we would be out of business in anywhere from 90 to 120 days 410 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:20,800 because the price you would have to charge for the product versus what they 411 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:24,440 can get on you really you're really comparing it to what they get at the 412 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:29,360 street level because um anyone in the state can grow eight plants in their 413 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:36,200 house. You just need it to cover it up. So um any any apartment, any any uh 414 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:38,800 house, any multi-dwelling that has anyone over the age of 21 so you could 415 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:44,160 have can have eight plants, four maturing. 416 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:47,680 So there's there's a lot of underground supply. 417 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:51,000 Uh and then plus there's also a major tax issue we have with this product 418 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:55,600 which you don't have with other products because of the federal versus state 419 00:28:53,000 --> 00:29:01,680 issue. So, we were forced after that meeting in April to to get creative and 420 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:06,320 that's when we approached my landlord. And I think we we uh 421 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:10,920 we we went for this amendment I think in in late May or June because it took us a 422 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:14,920 good 5 to 6 weeks at at minimum going back with our 423 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:19,760 landlord our meetings trying to find a compromise to allow him 424 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:24,560 to allow him to let us grow. So, our our intent was not to ever grow. Our intent 425 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:30,040 is is to use our licenses before they expire which is we need to be up and 426 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:34,040 running by by January of 27 or our license expired and we've lost hundreds 427 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:37,680 of thousands of dollars just because we can't get product. 428 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:40,880 Okay, so we were kind of forced behind the eight ball to find a creative way to 429 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:45,400 get product. And with this approach if we're able and 430 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:50,320 all we want to do is grow enough product to service the store in Minnetonka. 431 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:52,720 That's all we want to do so we can get the store and get the business up and 432 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,400 running. >> Oh, just to be sure you're not doing a 433 00:29:54,000 --> 00:30:00,240 retail location here. This is just to grow for your store in Minnetonka. 434 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:04,960 » So, we assume that prices will be down in 24 months. We just can't survive that 435 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:11,400 long. So, once once the price comes it's got to go 436 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:14,600 below $2,000 for us to break even. We think it's going to go to the 437 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:18,280 national average of $1,000 to $1,200. Once it's there we can make money and 438 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:23,280 then once but once it goes to break even point we're going to convert Shakopee to 439 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:26,400 it to a a dispensary which is what we wanted to be 440 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:29,280 to begin with. We just want to be able to survive 441 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:34,520 this time. Right now the price of cannabis in the state of Minnesota's 442 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:37,040 between $4,000 and $4,500 a pound. You you can't you can't survive at that 443 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:41,000 price. >> And that's that's based on it's just a 444 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:43,800 supply issue. That's why the price is high. 445 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:46,960 » So, the state issued 14 Correct me if I'm wrong. They They issued 49 446 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:51,120 cultivation license, but they've only approved seven. 447 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:54,040 So, and then once you grow it, you have to get it tested. 448 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:58,080 And the testing sites, there's only four. And they've gone from a small 449 00:30:56,520 --> 00:31:02,680 amount of product to They want over a pound of the grow. So, there's at least 450 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:07,160 a month backlog in just getting the product tested after you've grown it. 451 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:09,880 So, the the govern- The backlogs at the state level are are monstrous for us. 452 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:13,321 » Yeah. >> Thank you. 453 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:16,200 » Uh Mr. Chair, Commissioner Robinson has >> [clears throat] 454 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:21,240 » You know, I remember when the state passed this legislation. 455 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:25,720 Um and for us it was a new thing for Colorado, for other people. 456 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:30,800 Um I'm sort of though caught by the fact 457 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:35,240 that you want to change in doing this. You're asking us to 458 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:40,000 change some of the state guidelines. You won't be exactly like the state 459 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:43,000 legislation. Um 460 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:47,760 And do you see any I mean, I think we see 461 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:51,160 maybe some difficulties with that down the line. 462 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:56,640 Because we won't be meshing with with that and uh things may change. 463 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:59,440 How do you respond to that? The idea that 464 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:02,120 your guidelines are different than the state's. 465 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:09,920 » Do you want to do it? >> Well, a a few things. One, um 466 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:16,680 We're a little confused as what you mean by different, but on the 467 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:20,280 other side, we we would be very open to working with the city and changing our 468 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:24,600 amendment to whatever would would work with the city. Um 469 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:28,160 The the the uh Are you referring to the the definition 470 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:33,360 amendment that we put in? So, what we did and we put that in our amendment, we 471 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:38,880 we drew a 20-mile radius out of out of Shakopee. I think there was 19 cities. 472 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:41,920 And then of those 19, six I believe used the same 473 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:46,720 definition term called cannabis cultivation. And of those six, they all 474 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:52,000 had very similar definitions. They were based on the same thing. We only chose 475 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:54,560 Chaska because it bordered it bordered Shakopee, but I believe Golden Valley 476 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:57,200 had the same. >> Valley, yeah. 477 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:59,480 » And there were four others that had basically the same wording. 478 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:04,320 » Mhm. >> But the definition that the state uses, 479 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:08,920 I mean we can read that definition. We have that, but it but it's it doesn't it 480 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:11,200 it it's not either one of the it's the uh 481 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:14,320 » It is different. Yeah, you have it you have it over here, right? 482 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:19,120 » Well, so are you saying you had the the state had a definition for canna- 483 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:22,080 cannabis cultivator and you had to change that. 484 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:26,200 » Yeah, so you can read it. So, this is from 485 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:33,640 this is from section um 2005 section 342.01 486 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:38,720 of the bill subsection 4027. Uh go ahead. Cultivation. 487 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:43,520 » Cultivation. And cultivation means any activity involving the planting, 488 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:48,880 growing, harvesting, dying drying, curing, grading, or trimming of cannabis 489 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:54,120 plants, cannabis flowers, hemp plants, or hemp plant parts. 490 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:58,960 » And again, right now that is permissible in I1 and I2 in Shakopee. 491 00:33:56,600 --> 00:34:01,400 And there you're just asking to extend that to B1. 492 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:07,560 » Yeah, we're asking is so the microbusiness license when OCM set it up 493 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:10,840 was initiated much like a microbrewery license. That's why it's called a 494 00:34:08,879 --> 00:34:15,720 microbusiness license. And they wanted you to be able to do a very small grow 495 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:22,159 if you had that license. So, we're we're asking the the OCM allows you to have a 496 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:26,840 5,000 square foot grow in um in a micro for a microbusiness. Our spot 497 00:34:24,679 --> 00:34:30,480 is only 1,700 square feet because we're going to be using the tents. 498 00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:35,760 It's going to be much smaller. And we basically want to do 50 plants and 499 00:34:33,720 --> 00:34:40,480 anyone in the in the state can do eight in their house. We just want to do 50 500 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:43,200 because we thought 50 50 plants we thought would just get our store open in 501 00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:46,840 Minnetonka. And that's and that's really all the 502 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:49,879 only reason why we were were down this road. 503 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:53,399 » And again, I I can't wrap my head around yet 504 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:58,960 the idea that you're going to be using this location at 491 Marshall, right? To 505 00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:02,720 just grow plants for commerce in another city. 506 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:07,240 See what I'm saying? >> the microbusiness license allows you 507 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,400 to sell to another microbusiness license. 508 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:13,840 » Sure. >> And it has to be within 100 miles. So 509 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:17,840 we're we're So we're going to be growing in Shakopee and then we're going to be 510 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:22,040 using it in our Minnetonka store. >> not have any retail presence in Shakopee 511 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:25,560 until you said prices come down. >> Until prices come down. We we we 512 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:29,600 initially when we signed the lease a year ago we did the whole build-out. We 513 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:33,720 did it ourselves with the intent of having the dispensary open, you know, 514 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:37,320 months ago. But then when the supply issue came out in April, then we were 515 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:41,000 really backed up and we had to get creative as to how we could get our get 516 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:44,200 We just want one store open, honestly, so 517 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:48,000 so we can meet our expenses. We've had We're paying rent for a year in in a 518 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:51,720 space that we're not doing anything in. And then, you know, our in general our 519 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:55,040 vaping business has gone down as dispensaries have opened, fewer and 520 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:58,720 fewer people are vaping. So our sales at our vape store 521 00:35:56,240 --> 00:36:01,440 they're down 22%. So we're getting we're getting hit on both sides. So we're just 522 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:05,880 trying to find a way to honestly just keep the business open until we think 523 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:09,720 things will be in a greener a better place, you know, in probably 24 months 524 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:16,120 is what is what we estimate. >> Yeah. Can you clarify what exact license 525 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:19,400 you're on deck for and the endorsement? Because what I'm hearing is 526 00:36:17,720 --> 00:36:22,800 microbusiness, but then I'm also hearing the 527 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:28,200 cultivator, but >> Yeah, so that is one thing that's kind 528 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:32,760 of confusing with the licenses. So, each license structure does have different 529 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:35,000 endorsements that can be attached to that license. 530 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:37,520 » So, I've got the state's >> Mhm. 531 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:43,120 » chart in front of me. And And so, I'm I'm looking at that. And I can see that 532 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:46,880 just Let's start with one question. The license you're hoping to get and on deck 533 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:49,480 for is a micro business. >> Yes. 534 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:53,720 » Correct. Not a cultivator license. >> Correct. 535 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:59,280 » What endorsement do you are you currently in line for and or are you 536 00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:03,080 hoping to get additional endorsements because of what you want to do? 537 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:07,560 » So, currently we hold all the endorsements for a micro license besides 538 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:10,840 the onsite consumption. >> Okay. 539 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:15,280 Mr. Kursky, >> Yeah. 540 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:20,640 » can you point to the spot in the city's ordinance about this that limits the 541 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:23,600 cultivating part of what they're trying to do? 542 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:26,320 » Cultivation is only allowed right now in I-1 and I-2. 543 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:30,600 » Is that in >> In the table, if you look at the table. 544 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:32,600 » Yeah, and the table's in the packet. So, >> So So, I'm looking at the 545 00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,240 » be sure. So, these these classifications, right? 546 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,160 » Yeah. >> Cultivator, delivery service, 547 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:42,440 manufacturer in that table. Those are definitions made by the city 548 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,440 of Shakopee or made by the state? 549 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:49,120 » So, I'm I mean, I think just looking here at the state statute 550 00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:52,160 in the quick interpretation here. >> Right. 551 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:57,040 » It says um Minnesota cannabis micro business can generally cultivate 552 00:37:54,280 --> 00:38:01,640 cannabis plants up to a statutory plant limits for a micro business license. 553 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:05,480 Manufacture cannabis products, operate a retail dispensary, 554 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:10,120 deliver cannabis products, and conduct other vertically integrated activities 555 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:15,200 allowed under their license. >> So, where I have 556 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:19,440 incongruity here is that B1 does allow the micro business and by state 557 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:24,200 definition the micro business allows five up to 5,000 square feet 558 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:27,560 of growing. >> Yeah, I mean, I think the bottom line 559 00:38:25,720 --> 00:38:32,640 here is you heard it. So, they're going to grow 560 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:37,760 in a retail space and supply in a store in another city, which is allowed, but 561 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:42,200 you all need to make a recommendation. Is that something you want to allow in 562 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:50,000 the B1 zone based on the standards we have today? So, that's going to open the 563 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:51,880 Pandora's Box, so to speak, of >> Right. 564 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,960 » Cuz the city can be more restrictive than the state, right? 565 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:54,040 » Yeah. >> Yeah, yeah. 566 00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:57,320 » Yeah. >> And okay. 567 00:38:56,200 --> 00:39:00,960 » Yeah, I mean, I think we had a long discussion at council and workshops 568 00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:05,400 about where did they want people to grow it and so there are conditions. If you 569 00:39:02,720 --> 00:39:08,680 go into I1 or I2, it can't be, I think, up against 570 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:12,360 residential. If you are, it has to have all sorts of filtration and others. 571 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:18,040 There's subscript under all of that and council had a long discussion about 572 00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:24,080 how you separate uses and I think B1 in general in the city is for um 573 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:29,320 what do you call it? Retail sales. So, they brought up um 574 00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:33,880 brewery, so we defined them. So, a small brewery is a conditional use in B1, B2, 575 00:39:31,720 --> 00:39:41,240 and B3 and small tap rooms are also CUP, but a brew 576 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:46,480 pub where you have food or whatever is allowed by right. 577 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:49,960 And a brewery over 20,000 barrels a year is only allowed in I1 and I2. 578 00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:53,480 » To to >> Because I'm have some familiarity with 579 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:56,960 this. None of the breweries that are in town are in a B1, that's my 580 00:39:55,880 --> 00:40:00,240 understanding. They're either in a downtown or a 581 00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,080 » B3 or in or industrial. >> Right. 582 00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:04,240 » Mhm. >> So, there there is a difference here 583 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:07,840 » Sure. >> for that application. 584 00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:13,040 » Any other questions for the applicant? 585 00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:21,160 » Thanks for your time. I appreciate it. >> Thank you. 586 00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,160 » Thank you. 587 00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,040 » Do you want to ask if anyone else wants to 588 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:47,600 » Yeah, I was just waiting for >> I don't believe but yeah. 589 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,880 » Stop. >> Yeah. 590 00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:02,520 » Since this is a public hearing, is there anybody else here that would like to 591 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,520 speak? 592 00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:09,600 All right. Thank you. Hearing none, I certainly 593 00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,600 entertain a motion to close the public hearing. 594 00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,080 » So moved. >> Commissioner Robinson, is there a 595 00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,800 second? >> Commissioner Wyler with the second. 596 00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:17,280 » Any discussion on closing the public hearing? 597 00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,800 » All in favor. >> Aye. 598 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,480 » Any opposed? >> All right. 599 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:24,440 » So public hearing's closed. It's certainly up to us to discuss it and 600 00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:26,920 then at the end of it there'll be some kind of a motion. 601 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:31,320 » Yeah, Madam Chair Mr. Chair, excuse me. 602 00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:36,160 Um You know, I'm I'm 603 00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:42,640 stuck here because I'm impressed with all the things that 604 00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:48,560 these people have said they will do in terms of conducting the business and 605 00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:52,640 their intent and resolve to make sure that that there's not a smell 606 00:41:51,240 --> 00:41:56,680 or that the it doesn't impact. 607 00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,849 But there's a couple other issues here that 608 00:41:57,193 --> 00:42:01,960 » [cough] [clears throat] 609 00:41:59,720 --> 00:42:05,280 » have to do mostly with the structure of the state 610 00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:11,920 legislation and what we do or allow in B1s as 611 00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:18,360 opposed to industrial. And so while you know, I'm 612 00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:21,840 of the mind to try to to promote this, 613 00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:26,880 I'm stuck with all of the the difficulties with it. I don't know if 614 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:30,040 uh they can You said you'd be willing to work with 615 00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:33,640 with uh city staff, so I think we'd probably have to hear from Michael a 616 00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:38,120 little bit, but um there's just a couple of things that 617 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:46,760 don't fit well with our zoning and don't fit well with our regulations. 618 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:50,440 And I think, you know, the the worry is 619 00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:54,400 is that this opens some sort of floodgate, that 620 00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:58,640 if this happens, we start and then that'd be cannabis 621 00:42:56,240 --> 00:43:01,680 now. I mean, it could be something else that there's a floodgate open because of 622 00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:07,640 this, so um um Mr. Chair, I have those concerns. 623 00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:14,880 I'd like to hear from um my fellow commissioners and maybe at 624 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:14,880 at least Mr. Kiersky wants. 625 00:43:15,720 --> 00:43:22,080 » I To point number one, I think um it creates 626 00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:27,800 a ton of incongruity with to your point. I I think it's 627 00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:32,520 pretty straightforward that if we start creating our own definitions, 628 00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:35,400 that we're going to run into trouble. To point three, 629 00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:38,720 um >> Which one was point three? 630 00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:41,600 » I have to remind myself. I wrote down notes, but not what exactly what it was. 631 00:43:41,340 --> 00:43:44,280 » [laughter] >> Give me a moment. 632 00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:48,120 » comprehensive plan B1 zone guides? >> It's the to the delete the language each 633 00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,000 endorsement received or combined must follow. 634 00:43:48,720 --> 00:43:55,320 » Okay. >> Um I I think that is a disaster waiting 635 00:43:53,080 --> 00:44:00,360 to happen in terms of and it's not about you, it's about just the general 636 00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:04,040 business climate. If somebody wants to open something ridiculous, 637 00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:07,520 and we don't have that kind of language in these ordinances, 638 00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:12,560 then um it becomes chaos, right? Again, not 639 00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:19,080 about you and what you're trying to do, but just bigger picture. 640 00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:21,880 Um where I'm stuck is number two. Um 641 00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:26,680 » I'm still trying to find where it says you can't cultivate 642 00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:30,200 in B1. Exactly. Just because the P is not there? Is that 643 00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:32,800 » Yeah, I mean I If you remember, I don't think you were 644 00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:37,760 on the Planning Commission, but we revised the code to get rid of a lot of 645 00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:41,640 language. If it's blank, it's not allowed. 646 00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:45,560 » Right. Um So, anything >> if it's not on the permitted thing, it's 647 00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:50,040 not allowed. So, if you want to sell used cars, for instance, in 648 00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:51,720 B1, not allowed. >> Right. 649 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:57,640 » Um we have some existing that were grandfathered in, but it's not a allowed 650 00:44:54,240 --> 00:45:03,160 use. I mean, I think the macro issue is there's a lot of space in 651 00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:07,280 B1 and we're going to become the grow center 652 00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:11,640 now for you know, be shopping centers are set up to people to shop, whether 653 00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:15,440 it's for cannabis or whatever. I mean, I it was not set up for manufacturing and 654 00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:20,400 if you think of all the things that could be made, all of a sudden we're 655 00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:24,880 turning our B1 district into a a light industrial area. 656 00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:29,080 » especially if what we hear is that we're so supply shrunk 657 00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,480 and everybody's looking for places to grow. 658 00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,760 » Given the number of calls we're getting, I mean, all of a sudden people are going 659 00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:36,800 to be >> Well, right. I mean, like if if word 660 00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:40,240 gets out that shock allows people to to you know, grow cannabis in anywhere in 661 00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:44,240 B1, then all of a sudden, 662 00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:48,200 you know, it's going to be a lot of greenhouse greenhouses. 663 00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:51,760 » Yeah, I mean, basically we're whether, you know, beyond the landlord 664 00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:56,080 situation, but just as a land use situation, 665 00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:59,080 it would allow cannabis cultivation in B1. 666 00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:02,520 » Right. Because we are >> Without any other activity. 667 00:46:00,720 --> 00:46:04,640 » Yeah. Cuz we're not approving just one business, right? We are changing city 668 00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,520 code. >> Yeah, correct. 669 00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:11,120 » Right. Yeah. >> No, unfortunately, the public hearing's 670 00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:14,680 closed, so we're just talking. >> The um 671 00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:19,000 um You know, I see the difficulty with all 672 00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,000 of this. 673 00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:24,240 And I expect then, Mr. Kiersky, that given what you've just said, it's very 674 00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:26,600 hard >> Mhm. 675 00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:31,280 » to find middle ground here because what they're proposing is to do something in 676 00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:34,200 B1. Um 677 00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:38,280 » No, and and Commissioner, if you remember, I mean, no cannabis use 678 00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:42,040 basically is allowed in B3, which is the downtown, because there would be no 679 00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:45,320 other businesses left downtown if product were available except cannabis 680 00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:51,160 stores because we must have gotten 20 or 30 calls for 681 00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:55,240 business space downtown that people wanted to convert either 682 00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:59,280 existing business space or vacant space to cannabis retailers. I mean, it was 683 00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:02,600 incredible. Now, you know, companies out in New York, I mean, unbelievable the 684 00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:06,640 number of phone calls we've had to deal with. And they wanted to change that. 685 00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:11,560 And I went, "Well, good luck cuz you can go to B1, you know, if you if 686 00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:13,960 you have product, evidently, or or you can, if you want to grow, go to the 687 00:47:12,720 --> 00:47:17,240 industrial areas, but we're not going to have it all over the city. I mean, 688 00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:21,160 Council said there's no limit to the licenses, but there is a limit to the 689 00:47:18,720 --> 00:47:24,320 areas we're going to allow it." >> Thank you. Um 690 00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:29,600 » Anything else? Madam Chair? 691 00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,960 » Nope. >> Nope. 692 00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:35,600 » Uh yeah, I mean, I I keep going back to, right, this is 693 00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:40,440 not just about are we allowing one business to open or not open, right? Or 694 00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:45,080 it's it's about setting a precedent. It's about changing city code. It's 695 00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:50,240 about changing, I think, the nature of what the B1 zone is, right? The idea 696 00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:53,920 that it's meant for retail. It's meant for, you know, 697 00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:58,080 people going and buying something. Um we haven't talked yet, and I think it 698 00:47:55,480 --> 00:48:01,840 also bears mentioning that at this specific location on the north side is 699 00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:06,800 an apartment building, on the east side is some homes, and on the south side the 700 00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:10,720 hotel. Right? I mean, these are very close to places where people either live 701 00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:14,120 or visit the city. And, you know, 702 00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:18,200 by the way they were talking, 30% of the time there's going to be odor. 703 00:48:16,240 --> 00:48:21,400 Right? I mean, that's it's I think it's a recipe for 704 00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:26,200 complaints, and I think that's part of the reason why B1 is sort of shielded, 705 00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:29,840 right? From this because of the fact that it can be close to residences, 706 00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:32,120 hotels, those kinds of things. >> Yeah. 707 00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:36,920 Mr. Chair, let me just say one other thing. I, you know, I appreciate the 708 00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:40,680 fact that you guys have been looking for a long time, and that it's not easy. 709 00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:48,240 Um I I really hope you find a space. I know 710 00:48:44,720 --> 00:48:49,920 it's it's difficult to do, but um >> So 711 00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:56,080 » I just think there there's going to be difficulties with this one, so. 712 00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:57,680 » So So, could you grow in Minnetonka? >> Okay. 713 00:48:57,053 --> 00:49:01,320 » [laughter] >> I get it. I guess I guess not. 714 00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:07,080 » What zone I was going to actually ask, do you know the zoning for the the other 715 00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:10,280 two sites, what kind of zoning they're in? 716 00:49:07,720 --> 00:49:13,680 » Well, Jan Askin is a national landlord, and he's not going to allow it. 717 00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:16,600 » Well, no, I'm asking what the city zoning is for the two other locations. 718 00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,120 » Oh. >> You mean Minnetonka and Chanhassen? 719 00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:21,080 » Yeah. >> We We do know that 720 00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:25,840 our our Minnetonka store is zoned for 721 00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:30,200 cannabis uses. >> Do you know if it's B1? Is it I1? Is it 722 00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:33,560 » Not the top of my head. We've been pre-approved on this since we got here. 723 00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:37,280 » Yeah. Okay. But mostly for retail, right? Not for production. 724 00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,640 » Well, there's a micro brewery right next to us that does this. 725 00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:41,240 » Yes. Different, but right. Yeah. 726 00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:43,440 » next to us. >> Okay. 727 00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:47,280 Sounds good. >> We can't have um 728 00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:51,000 We We can't have a cultivation license with a micro business license by law. 729 00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:54,920 We're not allowed to do that. >> Right. Right. 730 00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:58,720 » To me, the zoning department would have to break state law. 731 00:49:57,240 --> 00:50:02,400 » Sounds good. Any other So, wait. Give me a second. 732 00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:05,440 So, what did you say again? >> I can read you the statute. 733 00:50:03,720 --> 00:50:07,280 » No, but what license do you have right now? 734 00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:12,240 » We have a micro business. And in order to grow at the micro business, we need 735 00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:14,600 to also own a cultivation license under >> So, you have a cultivation license? 736 00:50:13,720 --> 00:50:18,280 » By We legally cannot. 737 00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:20,800 Like, it's against state law to have a cultivation and a micro business 738 00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:26,480 together. >> Two licenses. Which is why you want 739 00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:31,120 Marshall Road to just cultivate. >> Well, no. We We want it just because our 740 00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,880 our micro business license allows us. So, the micro business 741 00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:37,600 » Okay. Okay. >> we are allowed to do a very small 742 00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:41,880 cultivation. But, to me, the zoning and shop you need to have a cultivation 743 00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:44,960 and a micro >> That's right. 744 00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:48,800 » cultivation license. Not endorsement. You need a cultivation 745 00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:51,640 license, not the endorsement. And the micro business license which has the 746 00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:55,240 endorsement. But, if we have both, we would be 747 00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:59,720 breaking state law because you can't have a micro business license 748 00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:00,960 and a cultivation license at the same time. 749 00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:03,720 » The Okay. Thank you. 750 00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:10,760 But, well, by state law, you can cultivate it, but by city code, you 751 00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:13,960 cannot. If I am Mr. Gurski, am I interpreting that correctly? 752 00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:21,360 » You can answer this, but I think what you're saying, if I'm following the 753 00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:26,480 bouncing ball here, that I With your current license, 754 00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:31,040 you can grow, but not sell in a small location. 755 00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:35,200 That supply another business. >> So, the micro license, it is kind of 756 00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:37,880 confusing, but essentially >> Can you go to the microphone, please? 757 00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:45,120 » Yes. Um 758 00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:50,120 So, with the micro license, that has different portions of endorsements. So, 759 00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:55,560 like one endorsement is the retail sale, then the next would be cultivation, 760 00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:59,440 um the next would be onsite consumption, and then manufacturing. And so, those 761 00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:03,120 are all enveloped. >> endorsements do you have? 762 00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:05,080 » We have all of them besides the onsite consumption. 763 00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:07,440 » Does Yeah. 764 00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:11,400 » Yeah, okay. >> Is the So, in this table it says can 765 00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:15,360 grow. >> Mhm. 766 00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:18,040 » But, is that can grow only permissible when you have the cultivation 767 00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:21,320 endorsement? >> Correct. 768 00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:25,160 » Got it. Okay. Thank you. That solves a lot for me right now. 769 00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:27,120 Okay. Thank you for that. 770 00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:32,400 » Thank you. >> Any other discussion among 771 00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:32,400 the five of us? 772 00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:40,840 » No. >> All right. Um 773 00:52:38,720 --> 00:52:44,800 by the end of the night, we want to 774 00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:47,480 have something about the proposed ordinance amendments to 775 00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:52,080 change the definition of cannabis cultivator and allow cultivation indoors 776 00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:58,720 and manufacturing in the B1 zoning district. Do we have a motion 777 00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:58,720 referring to that? 778 00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:10,280 » Um Mr. Chair, I I I guess what I'll do is 779 00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:13,760 I'll recommend denial to the city council the proposed ordinance 780 00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:19,400 amendments uh to change the definition 781 00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:26,080 of cannabis cultivator and allow indoor cannabis cultivation and manufacturing 782 00:53:23,240 --> 00:53:29,320 in the highway business B1 zoning district. 783 00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:30,840 » Thank you, Commissioner Robbins. Is there a second on that? 784 00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:37,560 » I'll second. >> Commissioner Weiler has the second. Uh 785 00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:37,560 any discussion on that motion? 786 00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:45,840 Hearing none, we'll go to a roll call. And again, just before we do it, 787 00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:50,120 An I means you recommend denial and an A means you do not recommend denial. I 788 00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:54,600 just it's one of those weird, negative kind of thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 789 00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:56,640 » All right. Commissioner Forsythe. >> I. 790 00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:58,680 » Commissioner Weiler. >> I. 791 00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:00,520 » Commissioner Cherith. >> I. 792 00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:02,440 » Commissioner Vanderveen. >> I. 793 00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:06,800 » Commissioner Robbins. >> I. 794 00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:09,880 » Thank you. That passes unanimously. And we'll move on to item six, other 795 00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:12,080 business. Is there any other business? >> Motion. 796 00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:14,760 » All right. Thank you. Then we'll move on to item seven and entertain a motion to 797 00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:18,320 adjourn. >> So moved. 798 00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:22,280 » We got Commissioner Vanderveen and then Commissioner Robbins with the second. 799 00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:24,840 Any discussion on adjournment? Hearing none, all in favor? 800 00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:29,240 » I. >> Any opposed? 801 00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:31,880 We're adjourned at 7:54 until the September meeting.