[0:12] Commissioner Sandhu
Commissioner Redding
[0:16] Commissioner Cheras
>> Here.
[0:17] » Commissioner Vanderveen
>> Here.
[0:19] » Commissioner Robbins
>> Here.
[0:22] » Great. Second item is approval of the
agenda. Is there anything that needs to
[0:25] be added or removed from the agenda as
it is stated today?
[0:29] » No.
>> All right. Can I get a motion to
[0:32] approve?
>> So moved.
[0:33] » Second.
>> Thank you.
[0:37] Uh
we'll need a all approve say I.
[0:39] » I.
>> I.
[0:40] » All opposed say nay.
All right. That passes. Uh third item is
[0:46] recognition of the board by any
interested citizens for anything that's
[0:50] not on the agenda today.
[0:53] » [snorts]
>> Seeing and hearing none.
[0:56] I will move to the consent agenda which
is the approval of the minutes for the
[0:59] last meeting of July 9th.
Any changes that need to be made to the
[1:04] minutes from July 9th?
>> Hopefully we spelled everyone's name
[1:08] right.
>> [laughter]
[1:10] » Mr. Chair, I'll move approval of the
Board of Adjustment uh minutes for July
[1:16] 9th, 2026.
>> Thank you, Mr. Robbins.
[1:22] We need a second.
>> I got a second.
[1:24] » Okay.
All right. We got a second.
[1:27] Uh all those I I will abstain as I was
not at the meeting on July 9th.
[1:32] Uh but all those in favor say I.
>> I.
[1:34] » I.
>> I.
[1:35] » All opposed say nay.
[1:38] All right. Uh fifth item, other
business. Uh any other business? No,
[1:42] nothing? Great.
Then [clears throat] I will entertain a
[1:45] motion to adjourn to our next meeting
which would be September 3rd, I believe.
[1:51] » So moved.
>> Thank you, Mr. Robbins.
[1:54] » Second.
>> Thank you, Mr. Vanderveen. All in favor
[1:57] say aye. Aye.
>> I. All opposed say nay.
[2:00] We are adjourned.
>> All right. Thank you.
[2:06] And now I'll call to order this meeting
of the Charlevoix Planning Commission.
[2:10] Uh we'll start with item one on the
agenda, roll call.
[2:12] » Commissioner Forsythe.
>> Here.
[2:14] » Commissioner Wheeler.
>> Here.
[2:15] » Commissioner Sandhu. Commissioner
Redding.
[2:18] Commissioner Cheres.
>> Here.
[2:20] » Commissioner Vanderveen.
>> Here.
[2:21] » Commissioner Robbins.
>> Here.
[2:24] » Thank you. Now we're going to on to item
two, approval of the agenda. Are there
[2:27] any changes or additions to the agenda?
>> Nope.
[2:29] » Hearing none, I'll entertain a motion to
approve it.
[2:32] » So moved.
>> Commissioner Robbins, is there a second?
[2:34] » Second.
>> Commissioner Cheres with the second. Any
[2:36] discussion on approving the agenda?
All in favor?
[2:39] » Aye.
>> Any opposed? Great. Moving on to item
[2:42] three, recognition by the Planning
Commission of interested citizens. Is
[2:44] there anybody here that would like to
speak on something that's not on the
[2:48] agenda?
[2:51] All right. Move on to item four, consent
agenda. The only item in the consent
[2:54] agenda is the approval of meeting
minutes from July 9th.
[2:57] Are there any
changes or additions to the minutes?
[3:01] No. Hearing none, I'll entertain a
motion to approve the consent agenda.
[3:04] » So moved.
>> Commissioner Vanderveen, is there a
[3:06] second? Commissioner Robbins with the
second.
[3:08] Commissioner Wheeler will abstain from
the vote. Any discussion on those
[3:12] meeting minutes?
Hearing none, all in favor?
[3:15] » Aye.
>> Aye. Any opposed?
[3:17] All right, that passes unanimously.
We'll go on to item five. The only thing
[3:21] on
general business today is a public
[3:23] hearing with a request to amend city
code section 151.002
[3:27] and 151.007K
related to the definition of cannabis
[3:31] cultivator, indoor cannabis cultivation,
and manufacturing uses in the highway
[3:35] business B1 zoning district. Is there a
uh
[3:39] » Mr. Chair.
>> Yeah.
[3:40] First of all, I'll entertain a motion to
open the public hearing.
[3:42] » So moved.
>> Commissioner Robbins, is there a second?
[3:44] » Second.
>> Commissioner Vanderveen with the second.
[3:47] Any discussion on opening the public
hearing?
[3:50] Hearing none, all in favor?
Any
[3:53] Thank you, Mr. Kurski. Is there a
presentation from staff?
[4:06] So again, this is an ordinance amendment
to this public hearing to amend title XV
[4:11] chapter 151 section 151.002
definitions and 151.007K
[4:17] table of uses related to cannabis
cultivator definition
[4:21] and cannabis cultivation and
manufacturing in the B1 zoning district.
[4:27] So the city council, some background,
the city council approved this ordinance
[4:30] in December 17th, 2024. It amended these
city code sections by adding cannabis
[4:37] and lower potency hemp use
classifications.
[4:40] Ordinance was written by the city
attorney's office, so the use is either
[4:43] permitted in the letter P or not
permitted, which is blank but in the
[4:47] zoning district in the use table with
the subscript references for additional
[4:51] conditions of approval.
Any endorsement received from the state
[4:55] of Minnesota's office of cannabis
management, the OCM, for cannabis
[4:59] microbusiness, mesobusiness, or medical
cannabis combination business must all
[5:04] per permitted in the zoning district to
be allowed.
[5:08] Rory Cummings, applicant, and Tom
Madden, business partner, have
[5:11] pre-approval from the OCM for cannabis
microbusiness license with retail
[5:16] endorsement. They're requesting three
ordinance amendments related to allow
[5:21] indoor cultivation and manufacturing in
the lease space at 491 Marshall Road in
[5:26] the B1 zoning district.
[5:30] Uh they request to modify the definition
for cannabis cultivator to outline what
[5:34] is allowed versus what the license
license holder can do.
[5:38] The current definition written by the
city attorney was a business with a
[5:41] cannabis cultivator license or
cultivation endorsement from the state
[5:45] of Minnesota office of Cannabis
Management. Proposed definition
[5:49] same as the city of Chaska's cannabis
cultivation means a cannabis business
[5:53] license to grow cannabis plants
within the approved amount of space from
[5:57] seed or immature plant to mature plant,
harvest the cannabis flower from mature
[6:01] plant, packaging and labeling mature
plants and seedlings and cannabis flower
[6:04] for sale to other cannabis
businesses, transport cannabis flower to
[6:08] a cannabis manufacturer located in the
same premises, and perform other actions
[6:13] approved by the OCM.
Changing the definition as proposed
[6:17] would result in different format for
this definition than all the other
[6:20] cannabis definitions and raises concerns
if the state changes their language in
[6:24] the rules and statutes in the future,
which we may not align with them.
[6:31] They have uh let's see here.
Come on.
[6:36] There we go.
Request to change the use table to allow
[6:39] indoor cannabis cultivation up to 5,000
sq ft and cannabis manufacturing in the
[6:43] high wind highway business B1 zoning
district.
[6:47] City code allows cannabis cultivation
and manufacturing in light industry, the
[6:51] I1 and heavy industry I2 zoning
districts along with limited retail with
[6:56] a maximum of 15% of operational area or
2,000 sq ft, whichever is less.
[7:01] The intent of the B1 zoning district is
to offer goods and services directly to
[7:05] the ultimate consumer. Horticulture not
involving retail sales and manufacturing
[7:10] are currently not permitted in the B1
district.
[7:13] The 2040 comprehensive plan guides the
B1 zone properties as mixed-use
[7:18] commercial corridor or mixed-use
commercial center, amending the city
[7:21] code to allow industrial uses in these
commercial classifications would be in
[7:25] conflict with the comprehensive plan.
B1 also includes residences and a
[7:30] majority of the properties abut
residential zoning districts. There are
[7:34] concerns related to compatibility with
adjacent commercial businesses,
[7:37] neighborhood residential uses, odor,
noise, and security.
[7:43] So, here's our zoning map. B1 is sort of
the this color right here.
[7:49] So, it would be a significant amount of
area. Here's the downtown. B1 covers
[7:53] this entire area. And then also out in
Southbridge, that's a large B1 district
[7:59] also along Marshall Road here.
Um this is all B1.
[8:08] So, the proposed ordinance under a
subscript 61A is to request to modify
[8:12] the subscript A to remove language of
each endorsement received or when
[8:16] combined must follow the current
language states cannabis
[8:19] microbusinesses, cannabis
meso-businesses, and medical cannabis
[8:22] combination businesses may be zoned
based on each endorsement received or
[8:26] when combined must follow the
designations for each license in the use
[8:29] table. This was written by the city's
attorney's office to ensure that both a
[8:33] license type examples of microbusiness,
meso-business, medical cannabis
[8:37] combination business
any endorsement received by OCM are
[8:41] permitted in a specific zoning district
um to be allowed. Removing the language
[8:46] as proposed would allow any license type
to operate with any combination of
[8:50] endorsements in any district where that
license type is allowed regardless of
[8:54] whether the individual endorsements are
otherwise allowed.
[8:59] So, here's the current B1. So,
basically we allow
[9:04] low-potency hemp um cannabis retail and
cannabis microbusiness in the B1 zone
[9:09] right now. You can see over here I1 and
I2 have a significant number uh of a
[9:14] more allowed uses.
[9:18] So, staff recommendation is denial of
the proposed ordinance amendments with
[9:21] the following findings. Cannabis
cultivation manufacturing uses are not
[9:25] in the spirit or intent of the B1 um
zoning district. B1 zoning district
[9:29] includes both commercial and
residential.
[9:32] Proximity of cannabis cultivation and
manufacturing uses to non-cannabis
[9:35] related commercial businesses abutting
residential zoning districts as well as
[9:39] existing residential homes raises
concerns including but not limited to
[9:43] odor, noise, and security. The 2040
comprehensive plan guides the B1 zone
[9:49] properties as mixed-use commercial
corridor or mixed-use commercial center,
[9:53] which does not allow any type of
industrial use. Amending the city code
[9:56] to allow industrial uses would be in
conflict with the comprehensive plan.
[10:01] Modifying the definition of cannabis
cultivator to list what is allowed
[10:05] instead of referring to the state
required license for a specific
[10:07] definition would result in this
definition being dramatically different
[10:11] format than all the other cannabis
definitions and may result in confusion
[10:15] in the future,
particularly if the language in the
[10:17] rules and statutes are amended or no
longer aligned with the city
[10:20] definitions. Eliminating the requirement
all cannabis license types and
[10:24] endorsements to follow the designations
in the use table would result in
[10:28] industrial uses operating in any
district where a license type is
[10:31] permitted, which was not the intent of
the original ordinance um 02024-11.
[10:41] » Thank you for that. Uh
before we
[10:44] have anybody up to speak, do we have any
uh questions for city staff?
[10:48] » Miss Chair,
>> um
[10:50] um Mike um
[10:54] I'm
I'm trying to
[10:57] get my hands around this
endorsement, this um
[11:03] um
definition
[11:05] of the endorsements and lack of
endorsements. Can you walk me through
[11:09] that again?
>> So, basically when you get your
[11:11] approvals from the Office of Cannabis
Management, you get certain
[11:15] endorsements. So, you can get a retail
endorsement, you can get a you know,
[11:18] basically a license to grow.
So, when the city attorney working with
[11:23] the state and other the League of
Minnesota Cities,
[11:26] um
they came up with kind of a policy that
[11:29] the endorsements would follow the zoning
districts. That's how we came up with
[11:33] the table.
Um I think the biggest issue here is
[11:37] allowing any It doesn't matter whether
it's cannabis or otherwise, any kind of
[11:41] manufacturing or
production of anything in the B1
[11:45] district opens us up
I mean, that's a comprehensive plan
[11:49] change, so
that's going to be a Met Council
[11:54] discussion, full Council discussion
beyond this ordinance, and
[12:00] I'm not sure that would go well because
it
[12:02] You know, in the B1 district, we allow
residential two ways. Either you can be
[12:07] a standalone multifamily, so an
apartment building.
[12:11] You can do high-density townhomes, or
you can do mixed use, and those are
[12:15] allowed by right, so
it's going to change the whole character
[12:20] basically of the B1 district.
>> Just to be clear, if I understood if
[12:24] these amendments go through, then any
use
[12:29] uh would be uh allowable in some of the
B1 districts.
[12:33] » Yeah. I mean, I think that's the
concern.
[12:36] » it didn't It wouldn't have to be
cannabis.
[12:38] » Yeah. I mean, I
[12:42] Chair and members, I think the issue is
that
[12:45] it opens kind of the Pandora's Box. It's
very difficult to limit, you know, you
[12:49] For instance, if you want to do
automotive repair, I mean, that's not a
[12:52] by right, that's by conditional use
um cuz that's already set up in our
[12:57] code. Um
I think the proposed changes would
[13:02] make it really difficult to do some
uses. I mean, we would end up with, for
[13:06] instance,
a cannabis store or manufacturing
[13:09] growing in an apartment building by
right.
[13:15] » Thank you, Mr. Chair.
>> Yeah, thanks.
[13:17] » I have questions for
>> Okay. Any other questions for staff?
[13:23] » The notes said Chaska does it
differently. So, is Chaska not in
[13:27] alignment with state language?
>> No.
[13:32] » No, they're not in alignment.
>> Correct.
[13:34] » Correct. Okay, thank you.
>> Yeah, I mean we we have believe it or
[13:36] not we have a cannabis attorney at the
city attorney's office and they're out
[13:41] of alignment. They're one of the few
cities that did not kind of follow the
[13:44] lead.
>> That's what I was going to ask. So,
[13:47] Chaska is
sounds like more of the exception than
[13:50] the rule and and the rule is more likely
what we're doing where it says
[13:54] just match what the state does.
>> right right now today you can go sell
[13:59] cannabis in the B1 district. We if you
remember the city council did not
[14:04] there's no parameters, distance
requirements. They said, "Look, you
[14:07] know, we don't have distance
requirements for liquor stores. So, if
[14:09] you want to open a cannabis retailer
next to a school, have at it." And so
[14:15] it's
>> But you can't for example grow the
[14:17] grapes to make the wine in a B1
district.
[14:19] » Correct.
>> Right.
[14:20] » Yeah.
>> In the same way that you couldn't grow
[14:24] the leaves to make the cannabis in
>> Yeah, so so for instance a a good
[14:28] example would be a nursery.
So, they're allowed in B1 district, but
[14:32] they're not growing the plants there.
They come from a farm. So, when you go
[14:36] to
uh
[14:38] Bachman's or you know, some kind of
nursery plant, you're buying a
[14:42] a plant that you're going to go home and
plant in the ground. I mean, it's not a
[14:45] seed which you take home and grow. I
mean, they don't have
[14:50] any greenhouses or things like that. So,
any of the things you see Home Depot or
[14:54] Lowe's,
they're not growing any of the plants
[14:56] there. They're all brought in from
outside the district.
[15:00] » Thank you.
>> Got it.
[15:01] » Anything else from city from for city
staff I should say?
[15:05] » All right, this is the public hearing.
Is there anybody here that like to speak
[15:07] on this?
[15:10] And if you do come up, uh please sign
your name
[15:14] uh in there.
Uh
[15:15] both of you if you could.
Then we'll let you hear what you have to
[15:19] say.
[15:54] » [clears throat]
[16:05] » And just while they're signing in, so
the process here is whatever you all
[16:08] decide then goes on to the city council.
If they
[16:12] decide to move this forward, we'd have
to ask the city attorney to come up with
[16:15] a ordinance which we'd have to publish.
[16:22] » Thank you for that.
[16:44] » How are you all doing tonight?
>> Very good. How about yourselves?
[16:46] » Good. Glad to If you wouldn't mind
introducing yourselves and then
[16:48] » Yes, my name is Rory. It's very nice to
meet you all.
[16:54] » My name's Tom Madden.
>> Thanks.
[16:56] » Excuse me, Rory. Rory what?
>> Rory Cummings.
[16:59] » Thank you.
>> Firstly, I'd like to thank you all for
[17:03] being here today and listening to our
proposal.
[17:06] Uh
I hear your concerns and I believe that
[17:10] some of those concerns are very valid,
such as smell, odor.
[17:15] Um
one of the big concerns that our
[17:18] landlord also had was the odor with
cultivating cannabis.
[17:22] And one of the endorsements actually
that we had skipped to make sure that
[17:27] odor was under control is the onsite
consumption.
[17:31] Uh, the onsite consumption
would create a very strong odor in the
[17:37] area.
Um,
[17:40] very very similar to a cannabis grow
operation. Generally, cannabis will not
[17:47] smell until about the last month right
before harvest.
[17:51] And that cannabis flower is then
packaged and sold. And that flower will
[17:57] be ripe and so it will have a smell
uh
[18:01] from consumer to sale.
The
[18:05] um,
cultivation of cannabis as well
[18:10] is
uh
[18:12] we propose to do them through grow
tents, which would have inline filters
[18:17] and carbon filters. And on top of that,
the OCM does require us to have a
[18:22] negative pressure HVAC system, which
would also include a large uh carbon
[18:28] filter system to help remove any smell.
Um,
[18:34] and with that system, that would be
implemented on top of these tents, which
[18:39] would essentially double the filtration
that's being used currently.
[18:45] » So, to give you an idea, 70%
>> just moving the mic over yourself while
[18:48] you're speaking, thank you.
>> give you an idea, 70% of the plant's
[18:51] life is odorless.
Um, so
[18:55] it's only in the last 30% does it start
to get odor. And as the plant matures,
[19:01] the odor gets stronger. So, it comes out
initially very faint. And then as you
[19:05] get closer to maturity, that's when the
odor um
[19:10] is is is is
is stronger.
[19:13] But, um
you know, as much as we're all concerned
[19:16] about the odor, our landlord was
was on another level. So, before we even
[19:21] suggested um
doing our small grow, we went through
[19:27] the landlord and we've got estimates.
And so, the OCM has their level of
[19:33] filtration systems, so we're going above
and beyond that. So, we're going to have
[19:37] a massive filtration system.
Even though the plants themselves will
[19:42] be in
in these tents, and they're called grow
[19:45] tents. You can think of them like um
they're almost like in capsules, like
[19:51] like like space in capsules. So, they
have this filtration system within the
[19:55] tent themselves
that basically releases all the odor
[19:59] out. So, it's going to have multiple
layers on top of what the state requires
[20:05] um to reduce any odor.
And uh so, we we think the plan we have
[20:11] for the last 30% of the plant's life,
and it's really the last 5% is when the
[20:15] odor gets strong, we'll we'll be
removing all of it cuz the the grow will
[20:19] be so small. We're only going to use
about 1,000 sq ft for this small grow.
[20:25] Um and we're simply trying to do it
because it's impossible to find product,
[20:30] so we try to find creative ways we can
actually open our store after waiting 3
[20:34] years to open our our store um
in another location. So, we worked this
[20:39] out with the landlord and um and but we
we we we want to work as we have with
[20:45] Minnetonka for 13 years, um and
Chanhassen for 5 years, you know, we
[20:49] want to work with the city and hopefully
come up with a solution that's good for
[20:53] everybody, you know, on this on this
issue. Um
[20:57] do you want to elaborate?
>> On the on the on the brewery there.
[21:01] » Yeah, and so, one other thing that we've
noted is that breweries and uh
[21:07] do
uh zone in the B1 zone, which those do
[21:11] allow the manufacturing, the sale, and
the consumption of alcohol, which would
[21:16] be similar to a cannabis dispensary
um with their operations of
[21:22] manufacturing, growing, and the sale in
the B1 zone.
[21:27] » And and on top of that, breweries uh we
There is a brewery on map next to our
[21:31] Minnetonka store,
and the amount of noise they make versus
[21:35] a plant growing, which is basically
there is no noise,
[21:39] is is is exponentially higher for the
brewery. So, I know another another
[21:45] issue was the noise, but um
you know, anyone who does any gardening
[21:48] knows that when you grow a plant, there
is there there is no noise. Um in fact,
[21:53] the HVAC system that we're putting in
will be the loudest noise we'll have in
[21:57] the whole process.
When that kicks in,
[22:01] cuz we have the same one in Minnetonka,
when that kicks in, that that will be
[22:04] the loudest noise in the whole process.
Cuz, you know, not only are they
[22:07] encapsulated, but they're just they're
just growing like any plant. So, there's
[22:12] no noise issue that we're aware of
anyone who
[22:15] anyone who does this.
>> So,
[22:19] Do you have more to say? Otherwise, we
can certainly ask.
[22:21] » just going to talk about the security,
too.
[22:23] » Oh, go ahead.
>> Yeah, yeah. That was the third issue
[22:25] that we thought it was. So, go ahead and
>> Yeah. And so, along with the security
[22:29] issue, um that OCM requires us to have
very strict security regardless of if
[22:35] it's a retail, cultivation,
manufacturing,
[22:39] um and so, all of our um
all of our processes would be done up to
[22:46] OCM standards. And along so, we would
also include having a higher-tiered
[22:52] security system than what is the base
requirement from OCM.
[22:56] And so, this includes 24-hour
monitoring,
[23:00] um the ability to save recordings for up
to um,
[23:04] 3 to 6 months, which allows for if there
is anything that occurs on site, we can
[23:09] instantly pull up the footage and view
it or pass it on to whoever we may need
[23:15] to. Um, and this would also allow us to
hold a uh, stricter
[23:23] uh, what's the word I'm looking for?
A
[23:29] Mhm.
It would allow us to essentially um,
[23:33] streamline the process of security
between if we were doing retail sales or
[23:38] cultivation.
[23:42] » I I wanted
>> Go ahead, yeah.
[23:43] » to make one more comment, too, just cuz
I know uh, Mr. Robinson had a question
[23:46] about the endorsement process.
And when we filled our our licenses out,
[23:52] it's you literally just just tick a box
of what endorsements you want. And
[23:56] because um,
the price of license is the same whether
[23:59] you tick all the all four boxes or one
box, you know, most people tick the
[24:04] boxes. The only box we didn't test tick
was the one to use the product in the
[24:09] store cuz no matter what road we went
down, we did not want
[24:14] people um, in our dispensaries just
basically uh, using the product in the
[24:20] store and creating a lot of smell. So,
just give you a 2-minute background, we
[24:24] started um,
we we have a vape store in Minneapolis
[24:27] in Minnetonka that we started 13 years
ago to help people stop smoking. My My
[24:30] ex-wife was a smoker and when I bought
her electronic cigarette, we went all
[24:34] over in Anoka. We went to about a dozen
stores and all six had had uh,
[24:39] guys in hoodies and couches blowing big
clouds and it was very intimidating. So,
[24:43] we tried to make a vape store for women
and we wanted to make sure that that
[24:47] none of those odors were available at
that time. Um, and to extrapolate to the
[24:52] current world, we wanted to have the
same kind of atmosphere. We want uh,
[24:56] well-lit stores, but the last thing we
wanted anywhere in our 13-year journey
[25:00] down this road is to have odors.
One
[25:05] I I I you know, I I I don't think I
think it's offensive for the people
[25:08] around us. Two, it's I don't want to be
that kind of neighbor to my
[25:12] to the other people around me in in my
where we lease our space in Minnetonka,
[25:17] Chanhassen, or Shakopee. So,
the odor issue has been something that
[25:22] we've been on top of since the
beginning. We started this process 3
[25:25] years ago when when the state first
looked at past 342, the cannabis bill.
[25:33] » Thank you. And before we get into the
questions, can you just talk a little
[25:35] bit about why you chose this location at
491 Marshall rather than a location
[25:41] that's in I1 or I2 already?
>> It is so hard.
[25:45] » [laughter]
>> It is It is so hard to find a space
[25:50] between
the city zoning. So, we looked at So, so
[25:54] just give you an example, I'm going to
take I'll answer your question. I want
[25:57] to take a step back, too. But we looked
at properties ev-
[26:02] in like all over the Twin Cities.
>> 200
[26:04] » Yeah, 200 areas. We had a spreadsheet of
200 areas in the Twin Cities to look for
[26:09] potential cannabis spots. So,
when you get through the zoning
[26:14] and the city requirements and the state
requirements. So, for example,
[26:18] the state does not allow you to have
a dispensary
[26:23] 500 ft of a of a school. Or or or a
nursery, right? Great. We We don't want
[26:28] to do that, either. But that that's a
requirement. And then when you get
[26:32] through all the hurdles, what we've
learned is
[26:34] if you're if the landlord is anyone
who's national, you will never get a
[26:38] spot because the product itself is only
legal in 28 states. They don't want to
[26:42] deal with that. So, now you've
eliminated like 80% of all spots in in
[26:47] the Twin Cities area. So, now you have
to find a landlord that is local, that
[26:52] is small, that is willing to use the
product, that is is open to the product.
[26:58] And um we looked
we looked for I mean how long it took us
[27:03] what 18 19 at least at least 18 to 24
months to find the Shakopee location.
[27:08] And they were I know there was at least
three other people who bid on were
[27:12] trying to get that spot with the
landlord. So um so it's it's it's
[27:17] it's next to it's literally next to
impossible to find these spots. Um
[27:23] so
>> And again in B1 you could run a micro
[27:25] business or a retailer. So why have you
decided to
[27:30] uh you know, in essence kind of push the
issue to also grow in this location
[27:33] rather than just run a micro business
and a retailer in this location?
[27:37] » There there is I was just saying there
is no supply.
[27:40] » Mhm.
>> So there I mean there is no supply. So
[27:43] we were working with the grower out in
Hutchinson and we agreed on a price
[27:48] and that's why we've had the spot for a
year. That's when we we switched to this
[27:51] in May. So we agreed to a price the
whole time. We helped him
[27:54] we helped him with all his regulations,
get his business up. And then in April
[27:59] when we met to uh to sign off on the
purchase, he was going to charge us four
[28:04] times the going rate.
And the the numbers I ran, if we were to
[28:09] pay that price, we would be out of
business in anywhere from 90 to 120 days
[28:13] because the price you would have to
charge for the product versus what they
[28:17] can get on you really you're really
comparing it to what they get at the
[28:21] street level because um anyone in the
state can grow eight plants in their
[28:27] house. You just need it to cover it up.
So um any any apartment, any any uh
[28:33] house, any multi-dwelling that has
anyone over the age of 21 so you could
[28:37] have
can have eight plants, four maturing.
[28:41] So there's there's a lot of underground
supply.
[28:45] Uh and then plus there's also a major
tax issue we have with this product
[28:49] which you don't have with other products
because of the federal versus state
[28:53] issue. So, we were forced after that
meeting in April to to get creative and
[28:58] that's when we approached my landlord.
And I think we we uh
[29:04] we we went for this amendment I think in
in late May or June because it took us a
[29:08] good 5 to 6
weeks at at minimum going back with our
[29:12] landlord our meetings trying to find a
compromise to allow him
[29:17] to allow him to let us grow. So, our our
intent was not to ever grow. Our intent
[29:21] is is to use our licenses before they
expire which is we need to be up and
[29:26] running by by January of 27 or our
license expired and we've lost hundreds
[29:32] of thousands of dollars
just because we can't get product.
[29:36] Okay, so we were kind of forced behind
the eight ball to find a creative way to
[29:39] get product.
And with this approach if we're able and
[29:42] all we want to do is grow enough product
to service the store in Minnetonka.
[29:48] That's all we want to do so we can get
the store and get the business up and
[29:51] running.
>> Oh, just to be sure you're not doing a
[29:54] retail location here. This is just to
grow for your store in Minnetonka.
[29:57] » So, we assume that prices will be down
in 24 months. We just can't survive that
[30:02] long. So, once
once the price comes it's got to go
[30:07] below $2,000 for us to break even.
We think it's going to go to the
[30:12] national average of $1,000 to $1,200.
Once it's there we can make money and
[30:16] then once but once it goes to break even
point we're going to convert Shakopee to
[30:21] it to a a dispensary which is what we
wanted to be
[30:24] to begin with. We just want to be able
to survive
[30:27] this time. Right now the price of
cannabis in the state of Minnesota's
[30:30] between $4,000 and $4,500 a pound.
You you can't you can't survive at that
[30:36] price.
>> And that's that's based on it's just a
[30:39] supply issue. That's why the price is
high.
[30:41] » So, the state issued 14 Correct me if
I'm wrong. They They issued 49
[30:45] cultivation license, but they've only
approved seven.
[30:48] So, and then once you grow it, you have
to get it tested.
[30:52] And the testing sites, there's only
four. And they've gone from a small
[30:56] amount of product to They want over a
pound of the grow. So, there's at least
[31:01] a month backlog in just getting the
product tested after you've grown it.
[31:05] So, the the govern- The backlogs at the
state level are are monstrous for us.
[31:09] » Yeah.
>> Thank you.
[31:10] » Uh Mr. Chair, Commissioner Robinson has
>> [clears throat]
[31:15] » You know, I remember when the state
passed this legislation.
[31:19] Um and for us it was a new thing for
Colorado, for other people.
[31:24] Um
I'm sort of though caught by the fact
[31:28] that you want to change
in doing this. You're asking us to
[31:32] change some of the state guidelines.
You won't be exactly like the state
[31:37] legislation.
Um
[31:41] And
do you see any I mean, I think we see
[31:45] maybe some difficulties with that down
the line.
[31:48] Because we won't be meshing
with with that and uh things may change.
[31:54] How do you respond to that? The idea
that
[31:57] your guidelines are different than the
state's.
[32:05] » Do you want to do it?
>> Well, a a few things. One, um
[32:10] We're a little confused as
what you mean by different, but on the
[32:13] other side, we we would be very open to
working with the city and changing our
[32:18] amendment to whatever would would work
with the city. Um
[32:22] The the the uh
Are you referring to the the definition
[32:26] amendment that we put in? So, what we
did and we put that in our amendment, we
[32:30] we drew a 20-mile radius out of out of
Shakopee. I think there was 19 cities.
[32:35] And then of those 19, six I believe used
the same
[32:40] definition term called cannabis
cultivation. And of those six, they all
[32:44] had very similar definitions. They were
based on the same thing. We only chose
[32:48] Chaska because it bordered it bordered
Shakopee, but I believe Golden Valley
[32:53] had the same.
>> Valley, yeah.
[32:55] » And there were four others that had
basically the same wording.
[32:58] » Mhm.
>> But the definition that the state uses,
[33:02] I mean we can read that definition. We
have that, but it but it's it doesn't it
[33:06] it it's not either one of the it's the
uh
[33:09] » It is different. Yeah, you have it you
have it over here, right?
[33:12] » Well, so are you saying you had the
the state had a definition for canna-
[33:17] cannabis cultivator and you had to
change that.
[33:20] » Yeah, so you can read it. So, this is
from
[33:23] this is from section um
2005 section 342.01
[33:29] of the bill subsection 4027.
Uh go ahead. Cultivation.
[33:36] » Cultivation. And cultivation means any
activity involving the planting,
[33:40] growing, harvesting, dying drying,
curing, grading, or trimming of cannabis
[33:46] plants, cannabis flowers, hemp plants,
or hemp plant parts.
[33:51] » And again, right now that is permissible
in I1 and I2 in Shakopee.
[33:56] And there you're just asking to extend
that to B1.
[34:00] » Yeah, we're asking is so the
microbusiness license when OCM set it up
[34:04] was initiated much like a microbrewery
license. That's why it's called a
[34:08] microbusiness license. And they wanted
you to be able to do a very small grow
[34:13] if you had that license. So, we're we're
asking the the OCM allows you to have a
[34:18] 5,000 square foot grow in um
in a micro for a microbusiness. Our spot
[34:24] is only 1,700 square feet because we're
going to be using the tents.
[34:28] It's going to be much smaller. And we
basically want to do 50 plants and
[34:33] anyone in the in the state can do eight
in their house. We just want to do 50
[34:37] because we thought 50 50 plants we
thought would just get our store open in
[34:41] Minnetonka.
And that's and that's really all the
[34:45] only reason why we were were down this
road.
[34:47] » And again, I I can't wrap my head around
yet
[34:51] the idea that you're going to be using
this location at 491 Marshall, right? To
[34:56] just grow plants
for commerce in another city.
[35:02] See what I'm saying?
>> the microbusiness license allows you
[35:05] to sell to another microbusiness
license.
[35:07] » Sure.
>> And it has to be within 100 miles. So
[35:11] we're we're So we're going to be growing
in Shakopee and then we're going to be
[35:16] using it in our Minnetonka store.
>> not have any retail presence in Shakopee
[35:20] until you said prices come down.
>> Until prices come down. We we we
[35:24] initially when we signed the lease a
year ago we did the whole build-out. We
[35:27] did it ourselves with the intent of
having the dispensary open, you know,
[35:31] months ago. But then when the supply
issue came out in April, then we were
[35:36] really backed up and we had to get
creative as to how we could get our get
[35:39] We just want one store open, honestly,
so
[35:42] so we can meet our expenses. We've had
We're paying rent for a year in in a
[35:45] space that we're not doing anything in.
And then, you know, our in general our
[35:50] vaping business has gone down as
dispensaries have opened, fewer and
[35:53] fewer people are vaping. So our sales at
our vape store
[35:56] they're down 22%. So we're getting we're
getting hit on both sides. So we're just
[36:00] trying to find a way to honestly just
keep the business open until we think
[36:03] things will be in a greener a better
place, you know, in probably 24 months
[36:08] is what is what we estimate.
>> Yeah. Can you clarify what exact license
[36:13] you're on deck for and the endorsement?
Because what I'm hearing is
[36:17] microbusiness,
but then I'm also hearing the
[36:20] cultivator, but
>> Yeah, so that is one thing that's kind
[36:24] of confusing with the licenses. So, each
license structure does have different
[36:30] endorsements that can be attached to
that license.
[36:33] » So, I've got the state's
>> Mhm.
[36:35] » chart in front of me. And And so, I'm
I'm looking at that. And I can see that
[36:40] just Let's start with one question. The
license you're hoping to get and on deck
[36:45] for is a micro business.
>> Yes.
[36:47] » Correct. Not a cultivator license.
>> Correct.
[36:51] » What endorsement do you are you
currently in line for and or are you
[36:57] hoping to get additional endorsements
because of what you want to do?
[37:01] » So, currently we hold all the
endorsements for a micro license besides
[37:05] the onsite consumption.
>> Okay.
[37:09] Mr. Kursky,
>> Yeah.
[37:11] » can you point to the spot in the city's
ordinance about this that limits the
[37:18] cultivating part of what they're trying
to do?
[37:21] » Cultivation is only allowed right now in
I-1 and I-2.
[37:25] » Is that in
>> In the table, if you look at the table.
[37:27] » Yeah, and the table's in the packet. So,
>> So So, I'm looking at the
[37:31] » be sure. So, these these
classifications, right?
[37:34] » Yeah.
>> Cultivator, delivery service,
[37:35] manufacturer in that table.
Those are definitions made by the city
[37:39] of Shakopee or made by the state?
[37:42] » So, I'm I mean, I think
just looking here at the state statute
[37:46] in the quick interpretation here.
>> Right.
[37:49] » It says um Minnesota cannabis micro
business can generally cultivate
[37:54] cannabis plants up to a statutory plant
limits for a micro business license.
[37:59] Manufacture cannabis products, operate a
retail dispensary,
[38:03] deliver cannabis products, and conduct
other vertically integrated activities
[38:07] allowed under their license.
>> So, where I have
[38:11] incongruity here is that B1 does allow
the micro business and by state
[38:17] definition the micro business allows
five up to 5,000 square feet
[38:22] of growing.
>> Yeah, I mean, I think the bottom line
[38:25] here is
you heard it. So, they're going to grow
[38:29] in a retail space and supply in a store
in another city, which is allowed, but
[38:36] you all need to make a recommendation.
Is that something you want to allow in
[38:39] the B1 zone based on the standards we
have today? So, that's going to open the
[38:47] Pandora's Box, so to speak, of
>> Right.
[38:50] » Cuz the city can be more restrictive
than the state, right?
[38:52] » Yeah.
>> Yeah, yeah.
[38:53] » Yeah.
>> And okay.
[38:56] » Yeah, I mean, I think we had a long
discussion at council and workshops
[38:58] about where did they want people to grow
it and so there are conditions. If you
[39:02] go into I1 or I2,
it can't be, I think, up against
[39:06] residential. If you are, it has to have
all sorts of filtration and others.
[39:10] There's subscript under all of that and
council had a long discussion about
[39:14] how you separate uses and I think B1
in general in the city is for um
[39:22] what do you call it? Retail sales. So,
they brought up um
[39:27] brewery, so we defined them. So, a small
brewery is a conditional use in B1, B2,
[39:31] and B3 and
small tap rooms are also CUP, but a brew
[39:38] pub where you have food or whatever is
allowed by right.
[39:42] And a brewery over 20,000 barrels a year
is only allowed in I1 and I2.
[39:49] » To to
>> Because I'm have some familiarity with
[39:51] this. None of the breweries that are in
town are in a B1, that's my
[39:55] understanding. They're either in a
downtown or a
[39:58] » B3 or in or industrial.
>> Right.
[40:00] » Mhm.
>> So, there there is a difference here
[40:03] » Sure.
>> for that application.
[40:09] » Any other questions for the applicant?
[40:16] » Thanks for your time. I appreciate it.
>> Thank you.
[40:18] » Thank you.
[40:42] » Do you want to ask if anyone else wants
to
[40:43] » Yeah, I was just waiting for
>> I don't believe but yeah.
[40:46] » Stop.
>> Yeah.
[40:57] » Since this is a public hearing, is there
anybody else here that would like to
[41:00] speak?
[41:05] All right.
Thank you. Hearing none, I certainly
[41:08] entertain a motion to close the public
hearing.
[41:09] » So moved.
>> Commissioner Robinson, is there a
[41:11] second?
>> Commissioner Wyler with the second.
[41:13] » Any discussion on closing the public
hearing?
[41:16] » All in favor.
>> Aye.
[41:17] » Any opposed?
>> All right.
[41:19] » So public hearing's closed. It's
certainly up to us to discuss it and
[41:23] then at the end of it there'll be some
kind of a motion.
[41:25] » Yeah, Madam Chair
Mr. Chair, excuse me.
[41:29] Um
You know, I'm I'm
[41:32] stuck here because I'm impressed with
all the things that
[41:38] these people have said they will do
in terms of conducting the business and
[41:45] their intent and resolve to
make sure that that there's not a smell
[41:51] or that the
it doesn't impact.
[41:54] But there's a couple other issues here
that
[41:57] » [cough]
[clears throat]
[41:59] » have to do mostly with the structure of
the state
[42:03] legislation
and what we do or allow in B1s as
[42:08] opposed to industrial.
And so while you know, I'm
[42:15] of the mind to try to
to promote this,
[42:20] I'm stuck with all of the the
difficulties with it. I don't know if
[42:25] uh they can You said you'd be willing to
work with
[42:28] with uh city staff, so I think we'd
probably have to hear from Michael a
[42:31] little bit, but
um there's just a couple of things that
[42:38] don't fit well with our zoning and don't
fit well with our regulations.
[42:44] And I think, you know, the
the worry is
[42:48] is that this opens some sort of
floodgate, that
[42:52] if this happens,
we start and then that'd be cannabis
[42:56] now. I mean, it could be something else
that there's a floodgate open because of
[43:00] this, so
um um Mr. Chair, I have those concerns.
[43:05] I'd like to hear from
um my fellow commissioners and maybe at
[43:10] at least Mr. Kiersky wants.
[43:15] » I To point number one, I think um it
creates
[43:20] a ton of incongruity
with to your point. I I think it's
[43:25] pretty straightforward that if we start
creating our own definitions,
[43:30] that we're going to run into trouble.
To point three,
[43:34] um
>> Which one was point three?
[43:37] » I have to remind myself. I wrote down
notes, but not what exactly what it was.
[43:41] » [laughter]
>> Give me a moment.
[43:42] » comprehensive plan B1 zone guides?
>> It's the to the delete the language each
[43:46] endorsement received or combined must
follow.
[43:48] » Okay.
>> Um I I think that is a disaster waiting
[43:53] to happen in terms of and it's not about
you, it's about just the general
[43:58] business climate. If somebody wants to
open something ridiculous,
[44:02] and we don't have that kind of language
in these ordinances,
[44:06] then
um it becomes chaos, right? Again, not
[44:10] about you and what you're trying to do,
but just bigger picture.
[44:15] Um where I'm stuck is number two.
Um
[44:20] » I'm still trying to find where it says
you can't cultivate
[44:24] in B1. Exactly. Just because the P is
not there? Is that
[44:28] » Yeah, I mean I
If you remember, I don't think you were
[44:31] on the Planning Commission, but we
revised the code to get rid of a lot of
[44:35] language. If it's blank, it's not
allowed.
[44:38] » Right. Um So, anything
>> if it's not on the permitted thing, it's
[44:43] not allowed. So, if you
want to sell used cars, for instance, in
[44:48] B1, not allowed.
>> Right.
[44:50] » Um we have some existing that were
grandfathered in, but it's not a allowed
[44:54] use. I mean, I think the
macro issue is there's a lot of space in
[45:00] B1 and
we're going to become the grow center
[45:04] now for you know, be shopping centers
are set up to people to shop, whether
[45:09] it's for cannabis or whatever. I mean, I
it was not set up for manufacturing and
[45:14] if you think of all the things that
could be made, all of a sudden we're
[45:16] turning our B1 district into a
a light industrial area.
[45:22] » especially if what we hear is that we're
so supply shrunk
[45:27] and everybody's looking for places to
grow.
[45:29] » Given the number of calls we're getting,
I mean, all of a sudden people are going
[45:31] to be
>> Well, right. I mean, like if if word
[45:34] gets out that shock allows people to to
you know, grow cannabis in anywhere in
[45:38] B1,
then all of a sudden,
[45:42] you know, it's going to be a lot of
greenhouse greenhouses.
[45:45] » Yeah, I mean, basically we're
whether, you know, beyond the landlord
[45:49] situation, but just as a land use
situation,
[45:53] it would allow
cannabis cultivation in B1.
[45:57] » Right. Because we are
>> Without any other activity.
[46:00] » Yeah. Cuz we're not approving just one
business, right? We are changing city
[46:04] code.
>> Yeah, correct.
[46:05] » Right. Yeah.
>> No, unfortunately, the public hearing's
[46:07] closed, so we're just talking.
>> The um
[46:12] um
You know, I see the difficulty with all
[46:16] of this.
[46:19] And I expect then, Mr. Kiersky, that
given what you've just said, it's very
[46:23] hard
>> Mhm.
[46:24] » to find middle ground here because what
they're proposing is to do something in
[46:29] B1.
Um
[46:32] » No, and and Commissioner, if you
remember, I mean, no cannabis use
[46:36] basically is allowed in B3, which is the
downtown, because there would be no
[46:40] other businesses left downtown if
product were available except cannabis
[46:43] stores because
we must have gotten 20 or 30 calls for
[46:48] business space downtown
that people wanted to convert either
[46:52] existing business space or vacant space
to cannabis retailers. I mean, it was
[46:57] incredible. Now, you know, companies out
in New York, I mean, unbelievable the
[47:01] number of phone calls we've had to deal
with. And they wanted to change that.
[47:04] And I went, "Well, good luck cuz
you can go to B1, you know, if you if
[47:08] you have product, evidently, or or you
can, if you want to grow, go to the
[47:12] industrial areas, but we're not going to
have it all over the city. I mean,
[47:15] Council said there's no limit to the
licenses, but there is a limit to the
[47:18] areas we're going to allow it."
>> Thank you. Um
[47:24] » Anything else?
Madam Chair?
[47:28] » Nope.
>> Nope.
[47:30] » Uh yeah, I mean,
I I keep going back to, right, this is
[47:33] not just about are we allowing one
business to open or not open, right? Or
[47:38] it's it's about setting a precedent.
It's about changing city code. It's
[47:42] about changing, I think, the nature of
what the B1 zone is, right? The idea
[47:47] that it's meant for retail. It's meant
for, you know,
[47:51] people going and buying something. Um
we haven't talked yet, and I think it
[47:55] also bears mentioning that at this
specific location on the north side is
[48:00] an apartment building, on the east side
is some homes, and on the south side the
[48:04] hotel. Right? I mean, these are very
close to places where people either live
[48:09] or visit the city.
And, you know,
[48:12] by the way they were talking, 30% of the
time there's going to be odor.
[48:16] Right? I mean, that's
it's I think it's a recipe for
[48:20] complaints, and I think that's part of
the reason why B1 is sort of shielded,
[48:24] right? From this because of the fact
that it can be close to residences,
[48:27] hotels, those kinds of things.
>> Yeah.
[48:30] Mr. Chair, let me just say one other
thing. I, you know, I appreciate the
[48:34] fact that you guys have been looking for
a long time, and that it's not easy.
[48:39] Um
I I really hope you find a space. I know
[48:44] it's it's difficult to do, but um
>> So
[48:48] » I just think there there's going to be
difficulties with this one, so.
[48:52] » So So, could you grow in Minnetonka?
>> Okay.
[48:57] » [laughter]
>> I get it. I guess I guess not.
[49:01] » What zone I was going to actually ask,
do you know the zoning for the the other
[49:05] two sites, what kind of zoning they're
in?
[49:07] » Well, Jan Askin is a national landlord,
and he's not going to allow it.
[49:12] » Well, no, I'm asking what the city
zoning is for the two other locations.
[49:16] » Oh.
>> You mean Minnetonka and Chanhassen?
[49:17] » Yeah.
>> We We do know that
[49:20] our
our Minnetonka store is zoned for
[49:23] cannabis uses.
>> Do you know if it's B1? Is it I1? Is it
[49:29] » Not the top of my head. We've been
pre-approved on this since we got here.
[49:31] » Yeah. Okay. But mostly for retail,
right? Not for production.
[49:35] » Well, there's a micro brewery right next
to us that does this.
[49:37] » Yes.
Different, but right. Yeah.
[49:39] » next to us.
>> Okay.
[49:42] Sounds good.
>> We can't have um
[49:45] We We can't have a cultivation license
with a micro business license by law.
[49:50] We're not allowed to do that.
>> Right. Right.
[49:52] » To me, the zoning department would have
to break state law.
[49:57] » Sounds good.
Any other So, wait. Give me a second.
[50:00] So, what did you say again?
>> I can read you the statute.
[50:03] » No, but what license do you have right
now?
[50:05] » We have a micro business. And in order
to grow at the micro business, we need
[50:09] to also own a cultivation license under
>> So, you have a cultivation license?
[50:13] » By
We legally cannot.
[50:16] Like, it's against state law to have a
cultivation and a micro business
[50:20] together.
>> Two licenses. Which is why you want
[50:23] Marshall Road to just cultivate.
>> Well, no. We We want it just because our
[50:29] our micro business license allows us.
So, the micro business
[50:32] » Okay. Okay.
>> we are allowed to do a very small
[50:34] cultivation. But, to me, the zoning and
shop you need to have a cultivation
[50:41] and a micro
>> That's right.
[50:42] » cultivation license.
Not endorsement. You need a cultivation
[50:46] license, not the endorsement. And the
micro business license which has the
[50:50] endorsement.
But, if we have both, we would be
[50:53] breaking state law because you can't
have a micro business license
[50:58] and a cultivation license at the same
time.
[51:00] » The
Okay. Thank you.
[51:03] But, well, by state law, you can
cultivate it, but by city code, you
[51:07] cannot. If I am Mr. Gurski, am I
interpreting that correctly?
[51:15] » You can answer this, but I think what
you're saying, if I'm following the
[51:18] bouncing ball here, that I
With your current license,
[51:23] you can grow, but not sell in a small
location.
[51:28] That supply another business.
>> So, the micro license, it is kind of
[51:34] confusing, but essentially
>> Can you go to the microphone, please?
[51:36] » Yes.
Um
[51:39] So, with the micro license, that has
different portions of endorsements. So,
[51:47] like one endorsement is the retail sale,
then the next would be cultivation,
[51:53] um the next would be onsite consumption,
and then manufacturing. And so, those
[51:57] are all enveloped.
>> endorsements do you have?
[52:00] » We have all of them besides the onsite
consumption.
[52:04] » Does
Yeah.
[52:07] » Yeah, okay.
>> Is the So, in this table it says can
[52:10] grow.
>> Mhm.
[52:12] » But, is that can grow only permissible
when you have the cultivation
[52:17] endorsement?
>> Correct.
[52:18] » Got it. Okay. Thank you. That solves a
lot for me right now.
[52:23] Okay.
Thank you for that.
[52:25] » Thank you.
>> Any other discussion among
[52:29] the five of us?
[52:36] » No.
>> All right. Um
[52:38] by the end of the night,
we want to
[52:42] have something about
the proposed ordinance amendments to
[52:46] change the definition of cannabis
cultivator and allow cultivation indoors
[52:50] and manufacturing in the B1 zoning
district. Do we have a motion
[52:55] referring to that?
[53:04] » Um
Mr. Chair, I I I guess what I'll do is
[53:08] I'll recommend denial to the city
council the proposed ordinance
[53:12] amendments
uh to change the definition
[53:16] of cannabis cultivator and allow indoor
cannabis cultivation and manufacturing
[53:23] in the highway business B1
zoning district.
[53:28] » Thank you, Commissioner Robbins. Is
there a second on that?
[53:30] » I'll second.
>> Commissioner Weiler has the second. Uh
[53:33] any discussion on that motion?
[53:38] Hearing none, we'll go to a roll call.
And again, just before we do it,
[53:42] An I means you recommend denial and an A
means you do not recommend denial. I
[53:47] just it's one of those weird, negative
kind of thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
[53:53] » All right. Commissioner Forsythe.
>> I.
[53:55] » Commissioner Weiler.
>> I.
[53:57] » Commissioner Cherith.
>> I.
[53:59] » Commissioner Vanderveen.
>> I.
[54:01] » Commissioner Robbins.
>> I.
[54:03] » Thank you. That passes unanimously.
And we'll move on to item six, other
[54:08] business. Is there any other business?
>> Motion.
[54:10] » All right. Thank you. Then we'll move on
to item seven and entertain a motion to
[54:13] adjourn.
>> So moved.
[54:15] » We got Commissioner Vanderveen and then
Commissioner Robbins with the second.
[54:20] Any discussion on adjournment?
Hearing none, all in favor?
[54:24] » I.
>> Any opposed?
[54:26] We're adjourned at 7:54 until the
September meeting.