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>> good morning. Time is 9:00 am. All board members are with us today,

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including ceo dave rickert, county counsel joe larmour, and from the clerk of the board's office,

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stephanie blankenship, marcy winstead. Out in the foyer, we have miranda angel.

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we encourage those wishing to participate in public comment, fill out a speaker request card,

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and submit it to the clerk in the foyer. Speaker request cards must be submitted to

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the clerk before public comment for each regular item begins. Before I turn the meeting over to ms. Blankenship,

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most of you have probably heard, for those of that you have not, our congressman doug lamalfa died

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last night in emergency surgery about 10 minutes till 7:00.

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he was 65-years-old. I'd like to have a moment of silence in honor of our congressman doug lamalfa.

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thank you. With that, I'll turn things over to ms. Blankenship. >> thank you. Through the chair,

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I would like to remind everyone in attendance today of the board room rules of order as outlined in administrative policy 1-101,

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which can be found online through the clerk of the board's website. This policy includes signage restrictions, attendee seating,

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and overall conduct to ensure business is done in an orderly fashion, and that all have an equal opportunity to observe and participate.

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unless addressing the board, all those in the audience shall remain seated in the chairs provided.

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standing along the back wall of the boardroom is acceptable, so long as no person blocks the ingress or egress.

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members of the media who want to observe, record, or otherwise document at board of supervisors meeting are requested to

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set up equipment from the designated area along the south windows. Shasta county remains committed to conducting

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business in a professional and accessible environment, and we kindly ask that all attendees adhere to these rules.

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I do have a few announcements regarding today's agenda. Item c 3 regarding chairman appointments

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has been pulled for discussion by supervisor plummer. Additionally, related to item c 3,

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the attachment inadvertently included appointments for the water agency. Those will be removed and brought back to

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the water agency for consideration on january 20th. Persons wishing to speak to items pulled from consent must submit

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a separate speaker request form to the clerk of the board before public comment on the item begins.

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with that, chair, I'll turn things back over to you. >> thank you, ms. Blankenship. Before we move on at the recommendation of ceo rickert,

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I will be pulling item c 7 for discussion, and with that, I'd have you all rise.

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we will have our invocation, followed by the pledge of allegiance, led by supervisor crye today. Today, we are joined by pastor david stark from grace presbyterian church.

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>> good morning. I'd like to read a brief section of scripture just before we go to god in prayer.

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these be the last words of david. David, the son of jesse and the man who was raised up on high,

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the anointed of the god of jacob, the sweet psalmist of israel, said, spirit of the lord spake by me,

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and his word was in my tongue. The god of israel said, the rock of israel spake to me.

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he that ruleth over men must be just ruling in the fear of god,

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and he shall be as the light of the morning when the sun riseth, even a morning without clouds as

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the tender grass springing out of the earth by clear shining after rain. Although my house be not so with god,

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yet he hath made with me an everlasting covenant ordered in all things and sure,

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for this is all my salvation and all my desire that we make it not to grow.

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amen. Our gracious god and heavenly father, we thank you for your love and your kindness to us.

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we thank you for the beauty of your creation. We thank you for the grace you've given to us

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and the privilege of living in shasta county. We thank you, lord, for every supervisor that's here and for your work in their lives.

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father, we do, at this time, want to pray also for the family of congressman lamalfa.

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we pray that you would comfort their hearts, that you would be with him, that your grace and your comfort would really

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reach into their heart of hearts and be with him with his unexpected loss. We do pray, lord, that you would sanctify his memory, lord.

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we thank you that he was a man who loved his country, a great patriot, and one who loved you.

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we thank you, lord, for his testimony that he left behind. Give us grace, lord. We pray to follow the footsteps that he followed, lord.

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we pray you be with the board this day and all who come to speak. We pray that you give each person that comes up

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the liberty and the freedom to speak freely and give the supervisors grace to listen

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to everyone that comes up and to consider what they're saying. We pray you just keep us all in your love and grace.

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we thank you, father, and this I ask in name of our lord and savior, jesus christ. Amen.

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>> I'm in the pledge.

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>> thank you, pastor stark, and thank you, supervisor crye. Moving on.

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r1, adopt a resolution, which recognizes brook lowther, county executive officer assistant-confidential with

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the administration office at shasta county's employee of the year for 2025.

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do we have any speakers, stephanie?

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allen, did you want to read the proclamation? >> I would be honored to. Brook, congratulations.

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this is quite an honor to present this to you.

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whereas the board of supervisors of the county of shasta has adopted

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the shasta county employee recognition program to identify

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exceptional employees who deserve to be recognized and honored for their contribution to county service.

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whereas, such recognition is given to employees meeting the criteria of the program,

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namely exceptional customer service, professionalism, high ethical standards, initiative, innovation,

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teamwork, productivity, and service as a role model for other public employees.

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whereas, the shasta county employee recognition committee has considered

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all current nominations for the shasta county 2025 employee of the year.

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whereas, brook lowther has been employed as

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a county executive officer assistant-confidential since july 2022.

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as previously mentioned in brook's employee of the month nomination, brook has consistently demonstrated

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high quality customer service through her engaging interactions with representatives from county departments,

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members of the public, and anyone trying to connect directly with the county executive officer.

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in many respects, brook is the face of the county administrative office as she is often the first person people engage with,

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either in person via email or over the phone. Brook effectively resolves conflicts and exceeds standards in answering

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questions and providing assistance both to internal and external customers.

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brook's ability to be a positive influence and boost morale is second to none and highly appreciated.

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brook is also the face of teamwork within the county administration office.

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on any given day, brook

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has tasks thrown her way by the leadership team which are often paired with challenging scheduling demands.

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at various points over the past 12 months, the county administrative office has been short staffed.

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during these times, brook has stepped up by learning new responsibilities to support the department.

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brook also saves everyone in the office time by anticipating the needs of the county administrative office staff and planning ahead.

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additionally, brook does not hesitate to help other county departments when they are in need.

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brook is a role model for other public employees due to her positivity,

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cheerful attitude, willingness, and dependability. Brook maintains a smiling,

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solution-oriented approach to problems, and is a beacon of optimistic morale throughout the county administrative office,

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clerk of the board team and county as a whole. Brook has demonstrated her high quality customer service

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since her designation of employee of the month in march of 2025.

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brook strives to be a positive influence in the workplace and is appreciated by all those she supports within and outside of her department.

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brook is a true asset to the county administrative team and embodies

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all the positive attributes and skills one would expect of an exceptional shasta county employee.

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for the reasons stated above, the employee recognition committee recommends brook lowther,

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county executive officer assistant-confidential, in the county administrative office to be selected as the employee of the year for 2025.

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now, therefore, be it resolved that brook lowther, county executive officer assistant-confidential,

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with the shasta county administrative office is hereby named shasta county employee of the year. [applause]

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>> supervisor long, if you would make a motion to adopt? >> I make a motion that we adopt r1,

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recognizing brook lowther as the employee of the year for shasta county.

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>> corkey harmon second it. Brook, would you like to speak

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or would you like somebody to speak on your behalf? [laughter]

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>> I would love to. First, thanks for the do over, appreciate that.

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thanks for my family and my co-workers and friends being here today.

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working for the county, especially in the administrative office, there are some great times and sometimes not so great times.

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an anonymous person said, the same water that softens the potato boils the egg.

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it's about what you're made of, not the circumstances. As government workers, we have many policies and rules

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to enforce often in difficult circumstances. But I'm so proud to work with amazing people who do their best

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to treat others with empathy and respect while still working diligently. I have seen co-workers spend hours talking to

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members of the public simply because they needed someone to listen. I have seen them step up to help someone in trauma,

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and then cry and sympathy when the trauma is over. I have seen them use their own money to assist those in need,

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and day after day, I see county employees who truly care about those they serve.

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it's an honor to be counted among these people, and I'm so proud to accept this award. Thank you.

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>> thank you, brook. [applause] I think we all take.

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>> thank you, chairman. I would like to say a few words too.

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brook is an amazing person. We really enjoy the diligence, effort, good spirit she brings to the office.

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she's really the heart in silva ceo's office. She keeps me directed and going where I have to go,

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keeps me to my meetings, does this for me, my senior staff, and for the supervisors.

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I really appreciate the time, effort, energy she devotes to her job. She goes well above and beyond the call of duty,

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and we really appreciate that. Thank you, brook. >> thank you, brook. [applause] I think we'll take

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a quick vote and then I believe supervisor long may have a few things for you. All those in favor?

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>> aye. >> any opposed? Thank you.

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>> is this on? Well, this is quite an honor.

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like I just said to you, I'm starting to see a pattern here. [laughter] you were employee of the month in march,

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and now employee of the year. That's a big deal.

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we have some gifts for you, and a unique gift as employee of the year.

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this will be $50 amazon gift certificate donated by the department head forum,

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an $80 amazon gift certificate donated by the board of supervisors,

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two $25 one-for-all gift

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certificates donated by united public employees of california, upec,

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general bargaining unit, a family pass to the caverns donated by shasta lake caverns,

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a one-night stay at the sheraton and $100 gift card to mosaic restaurant donated by the sheraton redding hotel,

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a 30-minute photo session donated by k. Delaney intermountain photography,

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nike sunglasses and a case donated by vsp,

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museum passes and merchandise coupons donated by turtle bay.

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>> thank you. >> that's awesome. [applause] we have this for you,

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which is only for the employee of the year. That's a beautiful thing.

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this is your certificate for employee of the year for shasta county.

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>> thank you. [applause] >> let's take a picture.

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>> thank you.

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>> thank you, brook, and well deserved. Moving on to r2,

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we're going to receive an update from county executive officer on county issues and consider action on specific legislation related to

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shasta county's legislative platform and receive supervisors reports on county-wide issues. Ceo rickert.

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>> good morning, chairman kelstrom and members of the board of supervisors. Dave rickert, county executive officer, reporting.

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first, an update on county issues. Shasta county risk management team just received notice that they were ranked number

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2 out of 49 entities audited by the california department of industrial relations,

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workers compensation audit enforcement unit with $0 in

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unpaid compensation for the 2023 calendar period year.

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we have a very strong team of workers, compensation professionals and,

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because of their collective efforts of shasta county, has continued to meet or exceed expectations in

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all audits and assessments by prism and [inaudible] both. I congratulate director fugitt and our risk management team,

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truly an outstanding job. Finally, I'd like to take a moment to express

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my sincere appreciation for chairman kevin crye and his leadership over the past two years.

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throughout 2025, chairman crye has presided over 46 regular and special board meetings of the supervisors,

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helping to guide hundreds of agenda items and to keep county operations moving forward.

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his commitment to increasing transparency in local government, reducing fees, and identifying cost-saving measures has made a meaningful impact.

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the budgets approved, during the supervisor crye's to your tenure as chairman,

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resulted in increases in the general reserves totaling $950,000,

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culminating and in projected fund balance of 31.7 million by the end of the current fiscal year.

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thank you, supervisor crye, and thank you for all your dedicated service to the people of shasta county.

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please accept this plaque as a token of our recognition and gratitude. [applause]

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>> this concludes my report. >> thank you, ceo rickert.

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we'll start on my left here to supervisor long.

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>> thank you, chair. Board reports.

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first of all, I'd like to welcome everyone here. It's great to see everyone here,

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and my hopes for the new year are that we all can be heard in a respectful manner and that

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we value everybody's input and

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contrary to what some might think we actually listen to the input from speakers,

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because it's important for us in trying to navigate this process of making good decisions for the entire county.

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thank you for your input, your continued input, and I think we're going to have a great year with that kickoff.

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I attended a few meetings. I won't go into much detail. We're going to have some of this brought back,

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but we attended multiple strategic planning meetings for setting the goals for the county,

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and we're going to be bringing those back to the public and the board here in the near future.

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I attended a shasta county fire safe council board meeting,

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and we're working on some of the same things, which would be five year strategic plans and things like that.

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we're trying to do some of the same things that we're doing here at the county, and it's exciting times,

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and we've got a lot of updates on grant monies and projects that have been completed.

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I went on with kqms, steve gibson and clark safin,

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to talk to them about general update stuff, so that was a great opportunity.

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met with ceo rickert, we just had some general updates and caught up on some things.

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I attended another strategic planning meeting.

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I met with sean ewing, who is our natural resources director,

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and I just want to give a shout out, the code enforcement is doing a wonderful job.

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in the community survey, we found that code enforcement operations are a huge priority for

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our public and blight and cleanup and squatting and homelessness on some of these properties.

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it's a big deal, so I want to give a shout out to sean because he and

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his team are working tirelessly to help us with limited resources,

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and so I got an update from sean about gourmet frozen foods down on airport road.

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the hearing commissioner upheld the county's thorough investigation,

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and we'll be levying fines of assessments of about

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$130,000 on the property and additional cost recovery measures for the county's involvement in this.

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that will be a powerful motivator to get this thing resolved once and for all.

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we've got another project out in rock creek in keswick area.

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that is moving to an abatement hearing sometime in february or march,

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so I'm excited to see the resolution of that because it's gotten really bad out there on some of these properties.

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I think that's all I have. That's the end of my report. Thank you.

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>> thank you, supervisor long. Supervisor harmon. >> good morning. About now. Good morning.

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I should have said this earlier, but I want to say it, burkle heart.

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I just love that lady smiles all the time.

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it's nice to walk into that office and see her smile. She's not the only one, but she does a good job of smiling.

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on the 17th, I met with chief o'hara

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and completed a survey for the fire program in shasta county,

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and then on the 18th attended the transportation board meeting.

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on the 19th, was in sacramento.

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you would have been in that meeting except for you were upstairs and you'll talk about that, the wind farm.

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sheriff johnson was in that meeting as well, regarding the wolves.

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I'm going to keep bringing it up because it's going to get worse. It's already getting worse.

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it's going to explode into a huge problem. I'm going to bring forward a proposal at some point,

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not quite ready to come up with somebody, an individual for liaison for shasta county regarding the wolves,

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because they did this in siskiyou county. It's working quite well for them,

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and I met with sheriff johnson over this.

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I think we met on the 19th, after that meeting, we had here that special meeting.

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I met again with sheriff johnson, and he's talking with the sheriff of siskiyou county about how they handled this program.

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we're not getting enough help.

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it's at a point where the population growth is going to explode.

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it's already exploding. They're keeping the numbers down. If you're following any of that,

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I know if you're not in that farm and ranching arena,

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I think it's gotten to a point where you're not seen as much because

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they're getting tired of speaking out and they're not getting represented.

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we're going to see if we can do something about that going forward.

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also met with ceo rickert.

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I always appreciate meeting with you. Mr. Rickert. He does this fine job,

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and with that, I'm going to conclude my report. >> thank you, supervisor harmon. Supervisor crye

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>> thank you, chairman. I attended the shasta regional transportation agency meeting,

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and I was there very, very shortly before I received a call and had to step out.

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I'll let supervisor plummer fill you in with that information, but I do appreciate supervisor harmon

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stepping in as the alternate as that meeting was getting started.

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I had a trip planned with the sheriff to go back to arizona to

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visit with the amity organization, amity foundation.

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we're partnering with the alternative custody program. That has been moved later this month,

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so there's a lot more information that'll be coming about that and touring that campus.

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had a youth options meeting. They're going to come back, if you remember, they're one of the original grantee or awardees of some of the opioid funds,

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along with raising shasta. They're going to come back and do a mid year report,

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and I believe, ms. Plumb, was that moved to february? Or is that the 20th?

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>> that's january 20th. >> it is the 20th, so that will be coming on the 20th. This board had asked them to come back the first meeting of the year,

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but they asked to extend it, so we've done that. I am going to make a motion that we put on our next agenda for january 20th,

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I would like to have a dr. Norman hall from simpson, of course, schedules being available, as well as dr. Dhanuka come

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back and whether that's dr. Irene salter coming back as well or others with that group,

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but I'd like to get a medical school committee update on the 20th.

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if I could make a motion to have that brought back for the 20th.

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>> I second. >> we have it. >> motion made by supervisor crye, second by supervisor plummer.

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>> I started to say. We have a second. I'd appreciate that,

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and then the last thing I'll hit on is, and just stephanie, just to clarify two for that motion.

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this is just them to come back for an eight or 10 minute presentation. The committees had four meetings.

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christy, I know you guys met yesterday.

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I didn't get a chance to talk to dr. Dhanuka since the meeting yesterday, but I think it would just be great to bring them along in that.

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then the last thing I want to hit on is I attended the celebration of life for coach bob reid at anderson high school in the rain a little over a couple of hours,

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and then went over to the fairgrounds after that. For anybody that grew up here or followed any type of sport scene,

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coach reid was probably one of the most iconic coaches our area as ever produced.

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you talk about enterprises gym is the manitou gymnasium,

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or you have strohmeyer court and different coaches,

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but coach reid, you could tell how far and wide people came to pay honor to that man.

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if there's nothing else you can take from that, you're never going to lose when you invest in the life of a child,

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and coach reid exemplified that. That concludes my report.

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>> thank you, supervisor crye. Supervisor plummer. >> chair, before we move on, so we don't forget. We do have a motion and a second on the table if we could take that vote.

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>> we'll go ahead and take the vote on the supervisor crye's motion. All those in favor? >> aye.

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>> any opposed? That's 5-0. >> thank you.

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>> good morning, everyone. Good to see you happy new year. Five updates for you.

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one briefly on the strategic planning advoc, which just to echo what supervisor long said is,

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we plan to bring back five goals, building off of the work that was done this fall,

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including a community survey, community sessions in most of the five districts,

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as well as conversations with department heads and staff. I'm looking forward to that conversation

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where the full board will be able to engage around those five goals and set a strategic path forward for the community.

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part of the real value that I see in that is that we have limited resources,

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as many of you know, and so we do have to make trade-offs in terms of how we spend and allocate those resources.

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this will help give us kind of direction informed by you that we're saying,

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these are the things we're going to prioritize, and if push comes to shove and we have to allocate resources in one way over another way,

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then this will be our priorities. Looking forward to that conversation and that direction

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being set for the county and the community. Second conversation I had is with our economic development corporation,

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executive director rebecca baer, and one of the things that we've been talking about for a while and is

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the idea that shasta county would benefit from having an economic identity.

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that being saying, this is who we want to be when it comes to the economic development,

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and she has experience working in other communities and just witnessing in other communities where they've set out and said,

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"this is the industry clusters is a phrase that's used that we want to build

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and really build an ecosystem of jobs and companies around certain industries."

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that if we say this is who we want to be, that that will begin to attract those resources,

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attract those companies and the talent around it. That's something that we're continuing to have conversations about,

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and we'll see where that progresses, but I think that would help us contribute to we saw

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in the strategic planning survey is that while a lot of people say this is a great place to live,

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they seem to say that it's a little tough to open or run a business here, and so we want to see that change over the coming years.

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the third thing is something I've talked a lot about. But just to bring that some closure is,

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as it relates to the corrections and rehabilitation campus that the sheriff has proposed,

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we have been working with the state to try to get them to put aside funding for a partnership around

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a re-entry program for those who don't know a re-entry program is taking people who have six months to two years

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left on their sentence and putting them into a program where they'll be monitored and they get the skills,

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the connections, the job, the savings, they need to then successfully reintegrate.

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we're not just letting them out the door of the jail and saying, we hope that you're successful and don't come back here in a week,

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and so we pulled together a letter working with staff to pull together

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a letter for the governor's office that combined letters from assemblywoman hadwick,

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senator dahle, us senator schiff, five other boards of supervisors,

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as well as a letter with 13 sheriff logos on it, all supporting this.

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january 10th is when the governor's budget comes out, and so we're hopeful that that will be included in that,

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and we'll take a look at that point and have a better update for you.

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fourth update is that, I went to the california state association of county's annual meeting in early december,

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and they have what they call policy committees that help set what is that group,

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which is a collection of 58 counties. What are they going to be prioritizing and advocating for with the state?

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as many of you have been really interested in the health and human service area,

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and so I basically applied, so to speak,

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to be on that committee, and I was appointed to be vice chair of the health and human services policy committee

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for the california state association of counties. Beginning to work with them to figure out what that looks like

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and how shasta county's priorities can be represented at the state level and that we can advocate for those in that particular capacity.

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the last update that is around the mental health alcohol and drug advisory board.

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I've been on this past year and was appointed by that board to be vice chair for the upcoming year,

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obviously pending this board's appointment,

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and so I met with our incoming chair and as well as county staff to discuss what the vision is for this upcoming year.

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we've seen, I would say, a great year in terms of engagement from the public in terms of engagement,

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including many of the folks here who want to be on that board. I know for a while, there was a lot of vacancies,

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and that has changed. In terms of that group being both active and advocating for the mental health of the community,

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so we look forward to more on that. >> thank you, supervisor plummer.

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on the 17th, I also met with sean o'hara down at the calfire office and fill out the survey.

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later on that night, I went to the shingletown auxiliary fire department christmas party,

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and I was very humbled and honored. They made me an honorary member member. They gave me a shirt that only members of

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the shingletown volunteer fire department on the 19th,

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I went down to sacramento with ceo rickert, and corkey harmon was there on a wolf issue.

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ceo rickert and I were there on the windmill farm. It looks like we've put the final nail in the coffin on that.

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I'd like to have a special thank you to the pitt river tribe and all the native american representatives that were there.

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there was probably 30 or 40 people that spoke, and they did not want to see their sacred lands scarred by these windmills.

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that looks like that is over and not coming back. Then I met with michelle nystrom from the spi office.

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I'm looking forward to working with spi in the future, and then I had an agenda review on the 31st on new year's eve.

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I had an agenda review with ceo rickert and clerk of the board, stephanie blankenship. Then on the fourth, I did go to

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the anderson senior citizens breakfast and shout out to trish clark, and it was nice to see her son.

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we used to work together almost 40 years ago now, but he came up for bob reid's funeral,

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and I also was at the celebration there afterwards at the fairgrounds.

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great man, and once again, I'd like to send condolences out to douglam office family,

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and that will conclude my report. We'll move on to public comment.

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do we take a vote on the consent first or? >> no, chair. We can go on to public comment open time.

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we do have 20 speakers, so there will be two minutes each. If I call your name, please get in que. First up.

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alex, followed by david stark, don duckett, then heather mcfall.

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>> thank you. Good morning. I'm here to speak a little bit about our laws.

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I know someone said there's a difference

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between ethical laws and ethnical laws.

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seems that different people are allowed to do different things unlawfully and get away with it.

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it seems that we're not incarcerating our criminals.

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basically, instead of we the people,

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it's we the persecuted. They come here and they take what they want, when they want.

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what does our law enforcement do?

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everybody starts pushing the buttles and their pedals and pointing the fingers.

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the fact is simple. They shouldn't be around here doing those kind of things.

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now, let's go over the medical for our state. Real simple.

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we don't get the medical coverages and unlawfuls do.

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I'm not saying we shouldn't help, but let's take care of our own first.

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next week, if I get a chance, I'll be speaking about

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our little food supply shortage that we have between los angeles and redding.

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thank you very much. >> thank you. >> next up, david stark,

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followed by don duckett, heather mcfall, then bretton hara. If I called your name, please get in queue.

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>> thank you. Appreciate the opportunity to address you, gentlemen.

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on behalf of grace reformed presbyterian church of shasta county,

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2095 alvarado street in redding, we'd like to donate six copies of the 1560.

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it's a facsimile edition of the geneva bible. This is the bible that the pilgrims brought with them to the new world,

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and it's facsimile, so it has all the old spelling conventions and takes a little getting used to.

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but we're donating six copies to shasta county, one for each of the supervisors and their families,

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and then we have one for the public. If anybody was wondering what on earth is that?

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well, you can access it. If you want a copy, contact me, I'll see that you get one, for anyone here.

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anyway, so these are for you gentlemen, and I hope that you will read them because god's word is the oil that keeps the wheels of

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government running smoothly because it keeps us in check in a good way and gives us his promises and lets us know that we're loved.

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that we serve a really wonderful good and a great people that he's raised up.

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this is to encourage you and to let you know. We really appreciate all of you and all your efforts

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to have shasta county be a really wonderful place to live, and you're doing a great job.

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thank you, and that's all I wanted to share. I'll leave these in your capable hands to distribute to these gentlemen. Thank you.

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>> thank you, if you could please give it to my clerk. >> okay. I'll settle up. >> next up, don duckett followed by heather mcfall,

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bretton hara, then larry s. >> thank you, pastor stark. >> you're welcome. Thank you.

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>> come on up, don.

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>> morning, board. Happy new year. I didn't do this on purpose,

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but it appears that I am in solidarity with

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my high viz yellow on today with all of the men and women here from the teamsters union.

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I know that many of them will be getting up to speak. Heather mcfall follows me today during open time.

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they're concerned with the cost of their healthcare benefits and the county's resistance

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as to making a reasonable contribution to those.

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I thought I'd give you a few ideas on how to come up with some extra money to make that happen.

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first thing that comes to mind is you could reinstate the municipal impact fees.

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that's a gift of public funds to developers, and we are losing money with every building permit that has

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an impact on shasta county by not charging those fees.

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you have an agenda item later today to subsidize data requests at the elections department.

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that would be a big no. Let's not subsidize anything when we can't pay our workers a living wage.

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we could not give ourselves a raise, which is also on the agenda.

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you could come up with some money, and then lastly, you could come up with $100,000 by decommissioning your elections commission. Thank you.

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>> next up, heather mcfall. Followed by bretton hara,

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then leslie, larry s and billy stenson. >> good morning. Congratulations on

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your 4% wage increase that you'll receive on january 11, and we hope to be in that situation very soon by ratifying an agreement,

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barring this one disagreement that we have with the county right now.

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in recent weeks, I've made contact with each of you individually.

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I've received responses from two of you, so thank you, matt and kevin for at least acknowledging the email that I sent.

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unfortunately, we weren't able to connect yesterday when we thought we were going to be able to.

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what I would like to say is that you as individuals with the decision making authority have an obligation

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to engage in this critical issue that we're dealing with, and I would appreciate

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the opportunity to have a constructive conversation with you about that. You're making significant life and career

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changing decisions for shasta county employees without considering all perspectives.

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in my opinion, that neglects your public service responsibility.

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given the limited responses and the absence of meaningful dialogue,

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I feel compelled to publicly express my opposition to the county's proposal to reduce healthcare funding for the teamsters bargaining units.

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as you can see today, we have significant support. This is how dire the situation is

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when they're willing to take their own time out of their workday, to show up, to be here to show you how important this is.

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I don't know if there's anybody on the side, obviously. You can tell the side.

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if I may have just one more minute, would that be okay? >> you should have 30 seconds.

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>> okay. It's worth noting that these team street bargaining units, and there are four,

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have already saved the county over $100,000 by taking retirees out of the caltrans healthcare system,

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putting them into our health trust. Every single month, there are thousands of dollars that you're already saving based

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on the teamsters units, I should say.

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as a result, these retirees [overlapping] >> bretton hara followed by larry s,

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billy stenson, then susan weiss. Ma'am, your time is up.

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>> thank you. >> brenton.

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>> [inaudible]. >> ma'am, your time is up. Next up, brenton.

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[applause]

397
00:42:55,810 --> 00:42:57,430
>> good morning. My name is brenton. I'm a supervisor in the economic mobility branch and

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a part of the negotiating team for the supervisory unit. In the past, as negotiations go,

399
00:43:05,470 --> 00:43:07,465
there has been a history of give and take, compromises made on both sides and a meeting of the minds somewhere around the middle.

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in my opinion, that has not been the case during this round of negotiations.

401
00:43:16,390 --> 00:43:16,390
at this point, I feel that the board has failed to operate in good faith.

402
00:43:21,190 --> 00:43:24,235
the board has drawn a hard line on their desires, specifically concerning how we are compensated in regards to our health coverage.

403
00:43:28,775 --> 00:43:31,965
the board is absolutely determined to compensate our units differently than others without equitable,

404
00:43:35,145 --> 00:43:37,370
long term trade off. In previous board meetings,

405
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:43,000
you've expressed how three or four of you are independently well off enough that you have no need for your income serving on the board.

406
00:43:46,915 --> 00:43:46,915
those of us working as parts of these units are not that fortunate.

407
00:43:51,340 --> 00:43:51,340
every penny of our compensation is essential to pay our bills,

408
00:43:55,390 --> 00:43:55,390
feed our families, and allow us to continue to do the work that is vital to our county.

409
00:44:00,645 --> 00:44:00,645
I could express how the colas have not kept up with inflation.

410
00:44:04,785 --> 00:44:08,165
of this fact, I know the board is painfully aware. The main point here today is the combined desire from

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the teamsters units to continue to receive the same health coverage compensation as other units.

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00:44:18,835 --> 00:44:18,835
it is imperative that all bargaining units are treated equally.

413
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:26,215
please relinquish your stance on forcing us to give up our compensation and operate in good faith in the ongoing negotiations. Thank you.

414
00:44:31,900 --> 00:44:34,480
>> thank you. [applause] >> larry s, followed by billy stenson,

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susan weiss, then matt woolery. Larry, come on up.

416
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:41,480
>> good morning, board. From time to time,

417
00:44:45,970 --> 00:44:45,970
since it is in your purview and your jurisdiction to write letters to different people,

418
00:44:52,060 --> 00:44:54,670
especially elected officials, I thought this would be an appropriate day to send this letter to president trump.

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"dear, mr. President. This being january 6,

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the anniversary of an infamous day in our history. We thought it appropriate to write you and ask just one question.

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why did you pardon the insurrectionist, unamerican,

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anti american constitutional hating traitors that tried to overthrow our government on january 6?" [applause]

423
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,135
>> next up, billy stenson, followed by susan weiss, matt woolery, then john doe.

424
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:36,490
billy, come on. Is billy here? Not seeing billy. Susan, come on up.

425
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:43,040
>> I want to talk about the fact that a decision was made or is up

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for the next meeting to take matt and allen off certain committees.

427
00:45:58,020 --> 00:45:58,020
I don't understand this decision why it was made.

428
00:46:03,475 --> 00:46:03,475
have you had complaints from the committee members saying they're not doing a good job?

429
00:46:07,630 --> 00:46:07,630
have they requested that they don't want to be on the committee?

430
00:46:12,115 --> 00:46:15,490
>> that's on the agenda so if you want to make those comments? >> it was pulled.

431
00:46:16,690 --> 00:46:19,375
>> we'll take separate public comment on that in just a moment. >> okay. We can make open.

432
00:46:20,890 --> 00:46:22,885
I'll make another comment. I'll come back. >> thank you. >> I was confused from outside. I'm sorry.

433
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:25,600
kevin, I was very shocked, once again,

434
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by the fact that when you have the employee of the year up here,

435
00:46:35,485 --> 00:46:35,485
receiving kudos and all the attention from the other board members

436
00:46:40,105 --> 00:46:42,370
that you were looking either at your phone or trying to plan for what you were going to do later on in the meeting.

437
00:46:45,295 --> 00:46:47,695
the employee of the year, she's up here and you didn't pay a bit of attention.

438
00:46:50,170 --> 00:46:51,745
is that worth a smirk? You should be ashamed.

439
00:46:55,860 --> 00:46:59,380
>> next up, matt woolery, followed by john doe, jeff gorder, then christian gardner.

440
00:47:01,255 --> 00:47:03,010
if I called your name, please, queue. >> I got to tell you,

441
00:47:05,740 --> 00:47:07,555
I appreciate all you guys laughing down here. We do this every single week for you guys.

442
00:47:10,030 --> 00:47:12,925
>> welcome. >> go ahead, matt. Good morning. I'm speaking to you this morning for myself, my co workers.

443
00:47:16,615 --> 00:47:18,310
the road maintenance department. Day in and day out, we respond to whatever this county needs.

444
00:47:21,340 --> 00:47:24,280
does not matter the time of day or the conditions. These men and women do the best they can to keep the roads open and safe.

445
00:47:27,805 --> 00:47:30,055
they put their lives on the line daily, just like the caltrans worker on 273,

446
00:47:32,470 --> 00:47:35,320
the night of december 22, doing a road closure. This is what we signed up for.

447
00:47:37,495 --> 00:47:41,110
we also signed up for medical benefits to help take care of our families. We need these benefits,

448
00:47:42,610 --> 00:47:43,945
to help us out daily. We do not want any more than any other employee at the county.

449
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:49,555
we want the same across the board, just like the county wants everything across the board

450
00:47:52,270 --> 00:47:55,735
when it comes to negotiations. Good faith and fair. The county has been paying the same amount of money for

451
00:47:58,930 --> 00:48:02,020
benefits across the board for as long as I have lived, worked here 13 years.

452
00:48:04,180 --> 00:48:07,660
now you want to cut our benefit package to the benefit of the county. Is that across the board?

453
00:48:09,415 --> 00:48:09,415
how is this fair and equal across the board if you cut our benefit?

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00:48:13,420 --> 00:48:16,465
I fear we will lose good employees. By losing good employees,

455
00:48:18,175 --> 00:48:18,175
it will cost the county far more than what you want to take from us.

456
00:48:22,330 --> 00:48:24,910
mr. Harmon, you are a successful business owner. Would you want to put a brand new driver right out of

457
00:48:27,730 --> 00:48:30,850
truck driving school with no experience in your brand new transfer truck? I wouldn't want to, but we've had the same brand new transfer truck wrecked twice.

458
00:48:36,565 --> 00:48:38,545
the second time it was a total loss, and we are so lucky that no one was hurt.

459
00:48:40,675 --> 00:48:44,350
I fear if we lose good employees, this will happen more often. When I applied here 13 years ago,

460
00:48:46,720 --> 00:48:49,345
120 people applied for this position, 56 interviews were given.

461
00:48:51,190 --> 00:48:51,190
our most recent hiring was less than 20 with 10 interviews given.

462
00:48:55,735 --> 00:48:55,735
we struggled to get good experienced people to want to work here.

463
00:48:59,740 --> 00:49:03,385
we need to keep our good employees. Please keep our benefits the same. Yes, there was a flaw in the system,

464
00:49:05,170 --> 00:49:09,100
but the auditor got it corrected by ensuring that the benefits are going to the employees, and now they want to take it from us.

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00:49:11,125 --> 00:49:13,765
the only wanted to be fairing across the board for the county, not the boots on the ground. We have [overlapping]

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>> next up john doe followed by jeff gorder, christian gardner, then vue bishop.

467
00:49:21,565 --> 00:49:21,565
john, come on up. [applause]

468
00:49:33,610 --> 00:49:33,610
>> in 2004, the board of supervisors approved a 54% raise to themselves.

469
00:49:38,290 --> 00:49:41,050
your pay at that time was already close to what a road maintenance worker to topped out at,

470
00:49:43,900 --> 00:49:43,900
taking your hourly rate from $26.50 to over $40 an hour.

471
00:49:49,165 --> 00:49:52,675
that equated to over a $14 an hour raise. Over the last three years,

472
00:49:54,415 --> 00:49:57,640
my raise was over only two dollars total. Your raise was more than half of what we top out at.

473
00:50:02,350 --> 00:50:05,020
during our current contract negotiation, you have proven you only care about

474
00:50:06,820 --> 00:50:06,820
money and what you are not willing to do to help us out.

475
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:16,645
you only care about our health and welfare fund. You have been negotiating in bad faith.

476
00:50:18,895 --> 00:50:21,910
I take that back. You haven't been negotiating at all. How would you feel if we the taxpayers came after your $14 an hour raise?

477
00:50:27,940 --> 00:50:27,940
our raises haven't come close to the cost of living increase.

478
00:50:33,220 --> 00:50:36,565
pay us fairly. Give us livable wages. You expect a fire department member to fight

479
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:43,255
fires and prevent property damage and save lives. You expect law enforcement to fight crime and protect lives and property.

480
00:50:50,010 --> 00:50:53,365
>> to do that, are they paid appropriately? Yes. We keep roads open and maintain roads,

481
00:50:56,785 --> 00:50:59,620
deal with fires too and are out in the elements during the snowstorms and the worst of it all.

482
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,095
pay us livable wages, pay us fairly. Stop negotiating in bad faith.

483
00:51:07,430 --> 00:51:09,360
based off of job qualifications, not anyone can walk off the street and do our jobs.

484
00:51:12,255 --> 00:51:14,475
ours requires knowledge, experience, certifications, and training.

485
00:51:16,365 --> 00:51:17,835
yours doesn't. You say you care about the people in your districts,

486
00:51:20,790 --> 00:51:23,790
now's your chance to prove it. We live in your districts, start caring about us too,

487
00:51:25,395 --> 00:51:25,395
not just the seat at the table that you obviously feeds you very well.

488
00:51:29,430 --> 00:51:32,040
[noise] [applause] >> jeff gorder, followed by christian gardner,

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00:51:34,545 --> 00:51:38,400
joe bishop, then jennifer waltman. >> thank you. It was just stated,

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00:51:41,935 --> 00:51:44,050
in may of 2024, the prior board voted itself a 60% raise.

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00:51:50,370 --> 00:51:54,130
last general meeting, supervisor plummer just brought to the board's attention a proposal that

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00:51:57,025 --> 00:51:57,025
allowed the voters to decide the raises for supervisors.

493
00:52:01,100 --> 00:52:01,100
chairman crye at that time went into a moral indignation,

494
00:52:06,130 --> 00:52:08,065
a self righteous tirade, accusing matt of somehow trying to make a political statement out of it.

495
00:52:14,515 --> 00:52:16,810
he asked matt to give his money back, even though matt wasn't on the board when that raise was voted. Matt agreed.

496
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,430
but matt asked supervisor crye, who voted against the raise on principle,

497
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:30,430
why didn't supervisor crye give back his raise? And supervisor crye said he would tell us, but he never did.

498
00:52:34,915 --> 00:52:37,570
I'm offering this opportunity to you right now, supervisor crye to tell us all why you did not give back that raise.

499
00:52:43,140 --> 00:52:46,510
please. You voted on principle, you said, against the raise,

500
00:52:50,005 --> 00:52:51,430
that you shouldn't have done it. Please tell us why aren't you giving back that raise?

501
00:52:55,750 --> 00:52:57,145
the floor is yours. >> you have no idea how much money I give away.

502
00:53:00,130 --> 00:53:02,470
>> you're taking the taxpayer's money. I don't care if you're giving it to the mountaintop times or to the ninja gym.

503
00:53:07,405 --> 00:53:07,405
why are you taking the taxpayer's money and not giving it back to these people?

504
00:53:12,220 --> 00:53:15,235
let me hear that. The floor is yours. You've got my last 25 seconds.

505
00:53:17,365 --> 00:53:17,365
explain to these people why you are not giving back that raise.

506
00:53:25,140 --> 00:53:25,140
are you familiar with matthew chapter 7 verses 1 to 5?

507
00:53:30,865 --> 00:53:33,475
>> from you it's going to be probably misquoted. >> well, it has to do with hypocrites, and it says,

508
00:53:36,805 --> 00:53:36,805
take the log out of your own eye before you try to remove the spec from your brother's.

509
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:41,200
[noise] thank you. [applause]

510
00:53:45,340 --> 00:53:47,830
>> next up, christian gardner, followed by joe bishop, jennifer waltman, then leslie.

511
00:53:49,915 --> 00:53:49,915
>> first off, thoughts and prayers and whatever for lamalfa.

512
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:00,190
>> whatever. I see. >> I'm sorry. You be quiet.

513
00:54:04,230 --> 00:54:04,230
well, I disagreed with lamalfa on many occasions.

514
00:54:10,105 --> 00:54:13,630
I do believe he thought he was doing the right thing for his country. However, he was an insurrectionist who tried

515
00:54:17,620 --> 00:54:17,620
to withhold my vote of the american people. That's treason.

516
00:54:22,270 --> 00:54:25,510
I want to also talk a little bit about the insurrection because today's the fifth anniversary?

517
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:32,815
I know a few of you, probably a couple at least, are very happy to celebrate that insurrection,

518
00:54:36,490 --> 00:54:40,330
where police officers were attacked and killed. 150 were hospitalized because your adjudicated rapist,

519
00:54:46,555 --> 00:54:46,555
34 count felon, decided to try and create an insurrection.

520
00:54:52,660 --> 00:54:52,660
to celebrate it, we're going to appoint john knight to the board.

521
00:54:59,050 --> 00:55:01,660
john, I know him. He's a nice guy. He showed up to the insurrection.

522
00:55:04,405 --> 00:55:08,365
very enthusiastically with a lot of selfies. But reported, I didn't go inside.

523
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:13,080
that's like a high school football player bragging about,

524
00:55:18,820 --> 00:55:21,175
"yeah, I had sex. I didn't penetrate".

525
00:55:23,815 --> 00:55:23,815
this board needs to stop with its partisan baloney.

526
00:55:31,210 --> 00:55:34,735
we are people of all kinds of diversity, all kinds of political views and opinion.

527
00:55:37,225 --> 00:55:37,225
you are elected to represent us all.

528
00:55:44,220 --> 00:55:44,220
>> joe bishop. Not seeing joe.

529
00:55:48,340 --> 00:55:50,320
jennifer waltman? Joe, come on up.

530
00:55:59,240 --> 00:56:03,075
followed by jennifer waltman, leslie, and dolores lucero. If I called your name, please get in q. Go ahead, joe.

531
00:56:06,615 --> 00:56:08,865
>> hello. My name is joe bishop. I currently work as a road worker too with shasta county road department.

532
00:56:12,435 --> 00:56:16,065
I'm here today to voice my concerns of our latest negotiations. Better stated the strong arming or bargaining

533
00:56:19,180 --> 00:56:22,555
and bad faith that plagued our department for years. For the past two contract negotiations,

534
00:56:24,580 --> 00:56:24,580
the first and last proposal of a new contract has been ran down the throats of

535
00:56:29,020 --> 00:56:30,460
our road department with the hopes of the next contract making up for the shortfalls of the prior one.

536
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:37,390
today, we stand together. Our needs are not being met. In fact, it's the opposite.

537
00:56:38,890 --> 00:56:42,055
now you want to take away health benefits currently in place. In these times, most of the people here in bright yellow are struggling to get by.

538
00:56:47,710 --> 00:56:50,350
but in a flash are going to lose a small amount of hope they have for a peaceful retirement.

539
00:56:53,215 --> 00:56:53,215
I realize we're not wearing a police uniform or a fire hat.

540
00:56:57,775 --> 00:57:01,255
however, we're the ones who opened the road so they can get there. At night, in a flood,

541
00:57:03,370 --> 00:57:06,040
three feet of snow on the ground, it doesn't matter. We're there. We answer the call,

542
00:57:09,505 --> 00:57:11,785
but maybe not as much going forward. My hope is it doesn't come to that.

543
00:57:14,695 --> 00:57:16,450
I relinquish my time. [applause]

544
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:22,720
>> jennifer, come on up. [applause] after jennifer, we have leslie, followed by dolores lucero then steve khan.

545
00:57:26,545 --> 00:57:30,310
>> good morning, chair and board. My name is jennifer waltman and I've worked for shasta county health and human services for close to 20 years.

546
00:57:33,805 --> 00:57:36,190
I'm here today because I feel the current majority of the board does not care about its employees.

547
00:57:38,725 --> 00:57:42,640
we are on the front lines providing services to the community. Our requests have been minimal this year,

548
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:48,610
but you, the board have rejected most of our requests. My biggest concern is the loss of of the proposed loss of our healthcare remainder,

549
00:57:55,285 --> 00:57:55,285
which is used to fund both retirement and health savings accounts for our members.

550
00:58:00,190 --> 00:58:00,190
the loss of these funds means that any increase to our salary is pretty much wiped out.

551
00:58:06,580 --> 00:58:09,535
we are feeling the hurt of inflation, and I know we will see even more employees jump

552
00:58:12,355 --> 00:58:15,715
ship and head for greener pastures than already have. The loss of experienced employees should concern this board as it will result in

553
00:58:21,460 --> 00:58:24,400
financial impacts to the county that are more than likely greater than the cost of the benefits that we're requesting to keep.

554
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:31,345
consider the cost of employee turnover. In addition to the lost experience,

555
00:58:33,475 --> 00:58:35,950
it takes a minimum of six months in some cases a full year to bring a new employee up to speed.

556
00:58:39,775 --> 00:58:42,925
not only does a new employee lack productivity, but to ensure proper training,

557
00:58:44,500 --> 00:58:44,500
it also requires the time of supervisors and co-workers to answer questions

558
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:48,520
and provide the training which reduces the effectiveness of our whole team.

559
00:58:53,725 --> 00:58:53,725
hhsa alone hired over 100 new employees in 2025.

560
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:02,440
that online search shows the minimum estimated cost of turnover to be about $15,000 per employee.

561
00:59:05,905 --> 00:59:05,905
that's $1.5 million for hhsa in 2025.

562
00:59:11,335 --> 00:59:11,335
by some estimates, the cost of turnover is actually more than twice that.

563
00:59:15,955 --> 00:59:19,690
I asked our personnel director for an estimated cost of hiring our new employees, but she wasn't able to provide that information and said it wasn't available.

564
00:59:23,290 --> 00:59:23,290
I urge you as the board to invest and offer the employees an adequate incentives to stay.

565
00:59:30,250 --> 00:59:33,850
>> next up, leslie, followed by dolores lucero. [applause] steve khan, then kim moore. [applause]

566
00:59:43,740 --> 00:59:46,485
>> it's taken a few minutes to compose myself because the absolute vulgarity and disrespect that was just displayed up here has me so rattled.

567
00:59:53,430 --> 00:59:53,430
doug lamalfa was a wonderful man.

568
00:59:58,150 --> 01:00:00,775
he was a great individual. He has been at every huge community event since I was a young child.

569
01:00:06,535 --> 01:00:10,510
he was my first introduction into politics. I have the funniest stories from being a kid and just looking up to

570
01:00:15,310 --> 01:00:15,310
him and asking him questions and how much he poured into our community.

571
01:00:19,900 --> 01:00:19,900
the fact that we lost somebody who fought for us day in and day out,

572
01:00:24,860 --> 01:00:28,710
I sat there and watched as he put forward legislation to support parental rights and our kids,

573
01:00:32,905 --> 01:00:36,295
even when he knew not one person was going to support it. That is a man of integrity,

574
01:00:37,930 --> 01:00:40,870
and that is somebody who deserves to be respected. That being said,

575
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:45,000
mountaintop media has never received funding from anybody that sits on this dais.

576
01:00:50,785 --> 01:00:54,325
they have never, ever given. I want to make that abundantly clear because even when we were in need of funding,

577
01:00:59,350 --> 01:00:59,350
we never asked so that we didn't put any one of these men in a bad place.

578
01:01:04,570 --> 01:01:06,640
when they offered, we said, no, to not put them in that same bad place.

579
01:01:09,670 --> 01:01:11,575
I want to clarify that. Also, five years ago today,

580
01:01:14,530 --> 01:01:14,530
many people gave of themselves,

581
01:01:19,330 --> 01:01:19,330
they went to do what they are allowed to do based on our constitution, to be patriots,

582
01:01:25,420 --> 01:01:25,420
and they were held without any reason,

583
01:01:29,655 --> 01:01:32,820
and they have lost their livelihoods. They lost their freedoms,

584
01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:38,310
and I thank god. Trump pardoned them, merry six-mas. [noise] [applause]

585
01:01:40,830 --> 01:01:43,170
>> dolores lucero, followed by steve khan, kim moore then danny spaulding.

586
01:01:45,285 --> 01:01:47,735
if I called your name, please get in queue. >> you might have not received money or funding for your radio show,

587
01:01:53,470 --> 01:01:55,585
but you actually slandered people, and you actually continued to slander.

588
01:01:58,225 --> 01:01:58,225
that's abuse. Here's my public comment to all of you.

589
01:02:03,100 --> 01:02:06,565
it's sad that you actually don't even have a good agenda for the people to represent the people.

590
01:02:10,195 --> 01:02:11,905
it's all about you. This agenda, from what I see,

591
01:02:14,410 --> 01:02:17,425
you haven't fixed anything that you guys have done, like kevin crye or you,

592
01:02:19,285 --> 01:02:22,930
chris, and I'm going to have to put this out. Chris, you need to change the cycle.

593
01:02:25,735 --> 01:02:29,350
you need to change what's been happening by kevin crye. You want to continue doing what kevin crye,

594
01:02:31,645 --> 01:02:34,105
then you're going to get what you deserve, what's coming to you.

595
01:02:35,875 --> 01:02:35,875
I think about a year ago, port benjamin,

596
01:02:40,690 --> 01:02:40,690
who actually was a county employee of shasta county by chris castro,

597
01:02:45,775 --> 01:02:45,775
sent me a text saying "that guy is such a douche bag.

598
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:49,960
I love nothing more than to beat his ass and take his lunch money.

599
01:02:56,395 --> 01:02:59,185
thanks. Now I'm throwing up. Not mentioned I just voted to give that little piece of shit a raise".

600
01:03:04,180 --> 01:03:04,180
that's how these public officials treat employees.

601
01:03:09,265 --> 01:03:12,325
I'm going to tell you this has got to stop, and we cannot continue to have public officials

602
01:03:14,995 --> 01:03:18,325
in office who's going to treat people like this. I am sick of you guys.

603
01:03:20,905 --> 01:03:22,435
how you slander us. You violate our constitutional rights.

604
01:03:25,450 --> 01:03:25,450
you tried to dictate our freedom of speech every time when kevin crye was in control,

605
01:03:31,105 --> 01:03:34,060
he always tried to throw in his two cents. If you said something, he will say,

606
01:03:35,635 --> 01:03:38,620
"oh, that's your first warning. That's a second warning". He actually did dictate our freedom of speech.

607
01:03:43,570 --> 01:03:47,410
I'm going to tell you you got some things coming up. You're going to see what happens when you accuse people. [overlapping].

608
01:03:50,170 --> 01:03:53,365
>> steve khan, followed by kim moore then danny spaulding, jenny, then nick gardner.

609
01:03:54,835 --> 01:03:54,835
if I called your name, please get in queue.

610
01:04:00,030 --> 01:04:00,030
>> morning board, staff, community members.

611
01:04:04,300 --> 01:04:07,135
it's wonderful to see so many people here. For one thing, I'm glad you guys are here so you can see

612
01:04:10,690 --> 01:04:10,690
the childlike behavior that crye displays so often.

613
01:04:15,115 --> 01:04:17,620
he seems to be controlling himself somewhat, but it sneaks through.

614
01:04:19,930 --> 01:04:23,770
I want to appeal to chair kelstrom to again allow the public to speak for three minutes on items.

615
01:04:27,850 --> 01:04:31,840
the excuse to limit public comment no longer exists. It was during covid when there were massive numbers of speakers,

616
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:35,560
and it did create a burden to a certain extent.

617
01:04:39,955 --> 01:04:42,340
today is a great example because we have a great number of people here supporting the union,

618
01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:48,610
and we got 20 speakers, that was a rarity these days.

619
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:51,520
I think again, allowing people to speak three minutes is reasonable.

620
01:04:56,230 --> 01:04:56,230
as you can see, with people getting cut off as they're trying to make a point,

621
01:05:00,940 --> 01:05:00,940
two minutes is almost impossible to be able to make a good point. I'd love to see that.

622
01:05:06,625 --> 01:05:09,325
maybe you could limit it to 20 speakers. That if there are situations that overburdens the system,

623
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:13,480
you have some limit there.

624
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:18,120
also, I hate to see crye still able to interrupt here with

625
01:05:22,180 --> 01:05:26,005
his microphone as he had done so many times as chair. The speakers should not be interrupted with.

626
01:05:28,765 --> 01:05:30,790
they should be able to complete their thought. [noise] oftentimes he used it as a tool to interrupt their train of thought.

627
01:05:36,055 --> 01:05:36,055
I also support reestablishing impact fees, building impact fees.

628
01:05:41,935 --> 01:05:44,350
I don't believe that there's any reason that the taxpayers of shasta county should shoulder those fees.

629
01:05:47,545 --> 01:05:49,240
it should be put on the development, and it should be incorporated into the cost of that development.

630
01:05:52,615 --> 01:05:54,595
it was supposed to support the building. It did not. Please reinstate those fees.

631
01:05:57,835 --> 01:06:01,690
thank you. [applause] >> next up, kim moore, followed by danny spaulding, jenny, then nick gardner.

632
01:06:06,150 --> 01:06:09,640
>> good morning, board members. It's good to be back from florida. I actually missed you guys a lot while I was there for the past four months.

633
01:06:13,675 --> 01:06:13,675
I want to say you all have heard me come in here screaming and hollering about

634
01:06:18,790 --> 01:06:18,790
the fraud waste and corruption in the housing complex that I live in.

635
01:06:23,795 --> 01:06:27,720
on december 17, I returned on december 19. I went to the office to meet

636
01:06:30,150 --> 01:06:30,150
the new manager and spoke briefly with the mhsa on site employee.

637
01:06:35,685 --> 01:06:38,730
I wanted to reserve the community room on new year's eve to just hold a place open because a few years ago,

638
01:06:44,460 --> 01:06:45,600
we lost lucas, he committed suicide on new year's eve.

639
01:06:49,140 --> 01:06:49,140
mhsa hasn't been doing what they say they're going to do for those people.

640
01:06:53,590 --> 01:06:56,350
we need to make sure that there's always somebody in that building on the holidays for mhsa tenants who may be feeling lonely.

641
01:07:01,675 --> 01:07:04,255
my request was denied. That discrimination continues and

642
01:07:07,990 --> 01:07:11,500
I will say some of you heard me speak to this a few years ago. There were times I contemplated my own suicide

643
01:07:14,635 --> 01:07:14,635
because living in that program was so extremely hard.

644
01:07:19,105 --> 01:07:19,105
today, I'm more hopeful than ever if anything ever happens to me,

645
01:07:23,610 --> 01:07:26,010
I promise you it wasn't suicide. That being said, I wanted this to be a psa for not only shasta county,

646
01:07:29,820 --> 01:07:32,955
but for the rest of the residents in the state of california. This is from benny johnson this morning.

647
01:07:35,655 --> 01:07:38,430
fraud investigation announcement. Next week, our team is traveling to the fraud capital of california.

648
01:07:42,045 --> 01:07:42,045
the fraud uncovered in minnesota was bad and led to the destruction of tim walz career.

649
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:50,710
but gavin newsom's, california is far worse. We're talking about over 76 billion in fraud.

650
01:07:56,230 --> 01:07:59,920
I want you guys to understand. They want you to have your raise. They want you to have your health benefits.

651
01:08:01,945 --> 01:08:03,430
it's not them. It's the corrupt governor and we all need to stand against him.

652
01:08:08,425 --> 01:08:12,115
>> time's up. Next up, dan spaulding, followed by jenny, nick gardner, then laura hobbs.

653
01:08:13,525 --> 01:08:15,760
if I called your name, please get in queue. >> kim, that's.

654
01:08:23,170 --> 01:08:24,535
>> danny, go ahead. >> hello, supervisors. My name is danny spaulding.

655
01:08:27,610 --> 01:08:29,920
I work for dpw facilities management. I am here on my own time to address the current negotiations between the county of

656
01:08:33,580 --> 01:08:33,580
shasta and the teamsters local 137 bargaining units.

657
01:08:37,630 --> 01:08:40,360
our members, including myself feel as though the county is not negotiating in good faith when it comes to our health insurance coverage.

658
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:43,600
the county currently pays the same amount for all employees for health coverage.

659
01:08:47,650 --> 01:08:50,260
however, the county is demanding to decrease the amount paid to the four teamsters bargaining units,

660
01:08:52,885 --> 01:08:52,885
with no explanation as to where the difference in premium will go.

661
01:08:57,190 --> 01:08:59,590
it feels as though you are trying to cover gaps in the general fund and budget off the backs of the employees.

662
01:09:03,490 --> 01:09:06,100
the amount you want to decrease currently goes into the employees health savings accounts and 401(a) retirement accounts.

663
01:09:09,985 --> 01:09:13,945
not for luxuries, not for dining out, not for new toys. The employees affected include everyone from line staff to mid management,

664
01:09:18,580 --> 01:09:20,860
the same people that clean and sanitize, everything from offices and restrooms to public health facilities.

665
01:09:25,285 --> 01:09:28,900
the same people that clear and maintain our roads in severe weather. The same people that keep the lights on,

666
01:09:30,985 --> 01:09:33,595
critical mechanical and hvac systems running, just to name a few. Thank you for your time today.

667
01:09:39,750 --> 01:09:39,750
>> next up, jenny. Is jenny here?

668
01:09:46,270 --> 01:09:46,270
not seeing jenny moving on to nick gardner? I'm going to pass.

669
01:09:51,400 --> 01:09:55,150
did I hear jenny's here? Jenny, it's your turn. Do you want to speak? Come on up, then.

670
01:09:57,250 --> 01:09:57,250
nick's passing so after nick will be laura hobbs.

671
01:10:14,160 --> 01:10:16,510
>> dear board, congratulations, chris kelstrom on your appointment to chair.

672
01:10:19,180 --> 01:10:22,825
I was hoping that with your appointment, the culture of the board room may be different. I'm afraid it appears to be more of the same,

673
01:10:24,790 --> 01:10:26,380
and I'm very disappointed. My first warning to the board for this new year is listen to

674
01:10:29,290 --> 01:10:32,185
your employees and the things that they say and ask for. They keep the county running and you need them.

675
01:10:34,945 --> 01:10:37,540
the second is respect your constituents, interrupting them, disrespecting them,

676
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:41,575
limiting the time we speak. It sounds a lot like your fight against the corrupt acid canal board,

677
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:47,395
and it didn't work out well for them. I'm not asking for much disrespect for your constituents, for your citizens,

678
01:10:51,955 --> 01:10:54,010
and for those who take the time to participate in serving their community and however they wish to do that.

679
01:10:56,260 --> 01:10:58,690
I don't think that my conviction changes anything for how I behave in this board room, either.

680
01:11:01,730 --> 01:11:04,470
I've never been one to be afraid of consequences, only doing what is right.

681
01:11:06,825 --> 01:11:09,990
if you step over the line in how you treat people, I will always push back as long as I live and all I ask is for

682
01:11:13,860 --> 01:11:13,860
others to quit being afraid and do the same because silence is compliance.

683
01:11:19,290 --> 01:11:22,360
>> laura, come on up. Chair, this will be our last speaker.

684
01:11:23,830 --> 01:11:24,935
>> last speaker? >> yes.

685
01:11:30,120 --> 01:11:30,120
>> good morning, board. J6,

686
01:11:34,890 --> 01:11:34,890
it was a fed surrection, not an insurrection.

687
01:11:39,580 --> 01:11:43,300
this was a psyop conducted by nancy pelosi and other treasonists who were trying to hide and

688
01:11:47,020 --> 01:11:47,020
distract from the public from realizing their crime of stealing the 2020 election.

689
01:11:56,215 --> 01:11:58,660
I just want to make that statement there. As far as our agenda in the consent calendar.

690
01:12:02,410 --> 01:12:03,880
we have a number of items, which are hhs items,

691
01:12:06,565 --> 01:12:08,485
health and human services, and I don't think that any of those items belong in the consent calendar.

692
01:12:13,300 --> 01:12:13,300
it's not right. But we're seeing happening in minnesota with the somali daycare,

693
01:12:18,190 --> 01:12:18,190
medicare, hud fraud, you name it. That's all.

694
01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:24,550
they say it's a statewide problem, but everything there is being funneled into individual counties in minnesota.

695
01:12:29,785 --> 01:12:32,845
the same thing is happening here in shasta county. All of the monies,

696
01:12:34,105 --> 01:12:34,105
the california state taxpayer money is being funneled from the state to the county,

697
01:12:40,915 --> 01:12:40,915
to these ngos, to these people who are fraudulently collecting money,

698
01:12:45,475 --> 01:12:48,700
and we need to do something now at the county level, you guys as supervisors to stop that.

699
01:12:51,325 --> 01:12:55,105
I say no more, just rubber stamping it through consent. Each item needs to be evaluated for the number of people who are

700
01:12:58,480 --> 01:12:58,480
served with those monies, and the outcomes.

701
01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:05,040
if you guys continue to funnel money out in that fashion,

702
01:13:09,430 --> 01:13:12,640
you are complicit in the fraud so please take an active role in reducing that type of fraud here in shasta county.

703
01:13:17,650 --> 01:13:20,800
another thing that does not belong on consent calendar, this is from our last meeting are any pay raises for

704
01:13:23,650 --> 01:13:26,920
the elected officials or for the board of supervisors, that needs to be discussed openly. Thank you.

705
01:13:30,130 --> 01:13:30,130
>> thank you. That was our last speaker.

706
01:13:35,245 --> 01:13:38,260
item c3 has been pulled by supervisor plummer, and item c7 has been pulled by myself,

707
01:13:40,390 --> 01:13:40,390
so I would entertain a motion to approve the rest of it.

708
01:13:44,635 --> 01:13:48,040
>> I'll make a motion to approve minus those two items. >> motion made by supervisor plummer?

709
01:13:50,035 --> 01:13:52,375
>> I'll second. >> second by supervisor long. All those in favor.

710
01:13:54,115 --> 01:13:54,925
>> aye. >> any opposed? Passes 5-0.

711
01:14:08,010 --> 01:14:08,010
ceo rickert or possibly councilman larmer.

712
01:14:12,295 --> 01:14:15,520
I pulled c7 just for one small part of that. Can we take that before we get to c3?

713
01:14:19,740 --> 01:14:22,510
>> you would have to vote to reorder the agenda. I would recommend just taking c3.

714
01:14:24,430 --> 01:14:27,235
that's fine. Supervisor plummer, you pulled c3. Did you want to start us out here?

715
01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:31,080
>> sure, yes. My request to you as a chair and to

716
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:37,840
the rest of the board would be of the four that I was removed from.

717
01:14:44,140 --> 01:14:48,010
one I'm totally fine with, and I've talked with supervisor harmon, which is shasta regional transit authority or

718
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:52,000
agency and I think he's better qualified to be on that so that makes complete sense.

719
01:14:56,440 --> 01:15:00,400
the other three I would definitely like to continue to be on. That being the mental health alcohol and drug advisory board.

720
01:15:04,090 --> 01:15:05,830
as I mentioned earlier, this year, if I remain on the board, would be vie chair.

721
01:15:09,460 --> 01:15:12,385
we've done a lot to, I believe, increase both engagement with that board

722
01:15:14,725 --> 01:15:17,140
and the effectiveness of that board over the last year, including working with staff to basically designed the mental health director's report,

723
01:15:24,370 --> 01:15:27,145
which provides kudos to staff a ton of really valuable information now much more than it did in the past.

724
01:15:30,550 --> 01:15:30,550
we have also activated that board to make some changes around the annual report.

725
01:15:36,810 --> 01:15:38,700
you'll see that was on consent today, but we're going to make changes so that there is more reporting on outcomes,

726
01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:45,630
which is another conversation that we've had as a board. There's a lot of good stuff happening there,

727
01:15:47,355 --> 01:15:50,820
and I'd love to be able to continue to be on that that's been a topic and an area of passion for myself over the last year and before that.

728
01:15:54,660 --> 01:15:54,660
the other two is for the county functional areas with sharc,

729
01:15:59,130 --> 01:16:03,010
that being on health and human services, and then on sharc, which is the shasta health assessment redesign collaborative,

730
01:16:06,310 --> 01:16:06,310
has the healthcare leaders that has been something that I've really worked to be a bridge

731
01:16:12,460 --> 01:16:12,460
between this board and that group of leaders on the medical school issue,

732
01:16:19,090 --> 01:16:22,630
where they were initially pretty opposed, I would say, and we were able to through be a bridge to bring them along.

733
01:16:27,160 --> 01:16:29,155
same thing with true north project there. They fostered that and a bridge between us and the board.

734
01:16:33,325 --> 01:16:36,160
then I've also brought a number of groups to present to them that are connecting things like,

735
01:16:39,790 --> 01:16:39,790
residency programs and neonatal care early literacy

736
01:16:46,510 --> 01:16:50,295
to the healthcare establishment that's another area where I'd love to continue to be on that so would,

737
01:16:55,185 --> 01:16:55,185
again, just request the board that I would be able to continue to stay in those roles.

738
01:17:00,500 --> 01:17:02,365
>> well, so first of all, you had requested to be on 17 different boards and commissions,

739
01:17:07,300 --> 01:17:10,780
and I think I gave you 15 of those 17 requests. I took you off that,

740
01:17:12,370 --> 01:17:13,510
I'll just be blunt. I took you off the sharc board because it was coming back to me that you

741
01:17:16,870 --> 01:17:20,440
were using that position to direct staff as a single board member, we don't direct staff.

742
01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:26,230
staff answers to ceo rickert. If we need something that we want to implement, we go to ceo rickert and ask him to direct staff.

743
01:17:28,990 --> 01:17:32,530
I spend a lot of time down in not only public works, but in resource management when I work with sean,

744
01:17:38,125 --> 01:17:41,395
I notify him of a problem I don't tell him what to do. I don't tell him how to solve the problem,

745
01:17:43,345 --> 01:17:43,345
I just notify him of the problem or we discuss it or whatever.

746
01:17:47,380 --> 01:17:47,380
it was coming back that you were directing staff from those two positions,

747
01:17:52,360 --> 01:17:54,745
and that's why I took you off them. >> I'd be happy to hear examples of that and understand that because,

748
01:18:01,525 --> 01:18:04,450
on sharc, for example, I don't even have a vote on that board, so I can't do anything to even direct that group.

749
01:18:07,285 --> 01:18:07,285
I only give input there as is relevant I in some cases, bring presenters,

750
01:18:15,175 --> 01:18:17,530
and I submit that to their executive director, and they decide if they're going to hear them so I don't really have

751
01:18:19,690 --> 01:18:19,690
any direction there with the mental health board.

752
01:18:25,260 --> 01:18:25,260
I don't have any direction there either aside from what the board decides to do,

753
01:18:30,430 --> 01:18:33,130
and the board is an advisory board so we can't tell staff through that board to do anything in particular,

754
01:18:36,040 --> 01:18:38,185
we can only make recommendations. >> well, I'm going to go ahead and stand by my assignments.

755
01:18:44,050 --> 01:18:46,075
I heard you and I listen to you I appreciate the work that you have been doing on those boards.

756
01:18:48,280 --> 01:18:48,280
I really do. I know you're very in trained you can obviously still go to the meetings,

757
01:18:52,420 --> 01:18:55,330
nothing says you can't still continue to go to the means and continue working with them, but I'm going to stick by that.

758
01:18:56,830 --> 01:18:59,305
I would like to make one change on this. I touched base with supervisor crye yesterday and rcrc,

759
01:19:03,625 --> 01:19:05,920
I would like to be the member of rcrc, and I'd like to move supervisor crye to the alternate.

760
01:19:08,785 --> 01:19:11,485
do I have any board approval for that? >> yes, chair.

761
01:19:13,165 --> 01:19:16,420
>> I'll make a motion to swap kevin on my spot. I'll be the member of rcrc and move supervisor crye to the alternate position.

762
01:19:21,340 --> 01:19:25,050
>> I'll second. >> you're essentially asking for approval on the entire item

763
01:19:29,320 --> 01:19:29,320
so a motion should include approval with the changes.

764
01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:41,695
>> does anybody else want to discuss. Did you have more supervisor plummer?

765
01:19:43,765 --> 01:19:45,970
those two were the main ones. >> well, ssac is another one that is related,

766
01:19:49,645 --> 01:19:51,730
that's something I've been very engaged in, I've gone down to the annual conference and the legislative conference.

767
01:19:55,105 --> 01:19:59,095
as I mentioned, I'll be vie chair of the health and human services policy committee for the upcoming year I would love to continue to be the alternate.

768
01:20:03,205 --> 01:20:05,320
I'm happy to be the alternate and have supervisory you remain as the board member and primary.

769
01:20:09,415 --> 01:20:13,345
but I would love to continue to do that as well. >> again, I'll be blunt, one of the reasons I did that

770
01:20:16,315 --> 01:20:19,735
is the cost of travel is fairly high. Anderson does a great job,

771
01:20:22,885 --> 01:20:25,750
and they found themselves in a bit of a deficit they have canceled all travel for the entire city council. Nobody goes anywhere.

772
01:20:29,170 --> 01:20:32,680
I know you are going there as an alternate you're going to those meetings. This county, although we're certainly not flush with funds I think we need

773
01:20:39,460 --> 01:20:42,520
to control as many dollars as we possibly can I know you were doing a lot of traveling even as the alternate,

774
01:20:46,240 --> 01:20:46,240
and all that county cost that was why my decision to take you off of that one.

775
01:20:51,340 --> 01:20:54,175
I know your trip to the ai conference, that costed the county $5,000,

776
01:20:56,170 --> 01:20:56,170
and I have to wonder what did the county get for that?

777
01:21:00,420 --> 01:21:03,160
what did we get in return for that? I know you got something personally out of it,

778
01:21:05,650 --> 01:21:09,460
but I have to ask, what did the county get for the $5,000 that it costs for you to go to the conference back in utah, believe it was.

779
01:21:12,580 --> 01:21:15,445
>> well, I'm not sure that it costs $5,000, and I have no idea what I personally would have gotten from that.

780
01:21:19,150 --> 01:21:19,150
but what we could potentially get from that is significant cost savings and

781
01:21:25,165 --> 01:21:28,150
into the future that would save potentially our departments millions of dollars so that's the potential.

782
01:21:31,675 --> 01:21:31,675
that was what I brought back in a board discussion

783
01:21:35,710 --> 01:21:38,020
around the social services fund is I wanted the board to direct staff to pursue ai solutions.

784
01:21:40,420 --> 01:21:40,420
I've already had three phone calls between one of the vendors I met

785
01:21:44,740 --> 01:21:44,740
there and departments here and this board decided not to support that.

786
01:21:49,915 --> 01:21:53,170
I am working hard to try to bring that technology, because as we've talked about with our county employees today,

787
01:21:56,650 --> 01:21:59,650
those costs are continuing to rise, and that presents a challenge to the county's financials and I see ai as one of the solutions to that,

788
01:22:03,100 --> 01:22:03,100
and I'm trying to do what I can as a single board member to advance those solutions.

789
01:22:08,140 --> 01:22:08,140
but ultimately I can't do that without support from the rest of the board.

790
01:22:14,960 --> 01:22:18,345
>> supervisor degree. >> thank you. >> thank you, chairman. I just want to make one clarification.

791
01:22:24,420 --> 01:22:27,120
you said the board wasn't supportive of that and I just want to clarify, for me, it wasn't that I wasn't

792
01:22:29,010 --> 01:22:31,140
supportive of some of the things that you're talking about. What I'm supportive of is letting,

793
01:22:33,540 --> 01:22:36,225
in this case, we were talking about health and human services. I'm supportive of our directors running their departments.

794
01:22:39,885 --> 01:22:41,355
I'm not going to micromanage them. Also, we have one of the best ctos,

795
01:22:44,640 --> 01:22:44,640
chief technology officers in the entire state of california in tom schreiber.

796
01:22:49,200 --> 01:22:52,590
if tom schreiber and chris get together and say, "hey, this is a direction we want to go, even if it's your idea."

797
01:22:55,290 --> 01:22:58,335
I'd be like, "hey, that's great." but I just want to clarify, I wasn't against some of the things you're talking about.

798
01:23:01,485 --> 01:23:04,470
I'm just against micro managing departments and telling them how they have to run their show. Thank you, chairman.

799
01:23:07,695 --> 01:23:10,515
>> okay. Thank you supervisor crye. Again, I felt the same way.

800
01:23:12,360 --> 01:23:16,035
as you know, speaking of ai, I had a constituent reach out to me from shingletown, and he's very into cutting edge of the ai,

801
01:23:20,010 --> 01:23:23,010
and he offered his services for free, that he would gladly help us, and he made some suggestions.

802
01:23:24,930 --> 01:23:26,370
I also have a friend of mine, a close personal friend that just launched an ai program last friday,

803
01:23:30,840 --> 01:23:32,820
I think the friday before last. It's something that we definitely need to look into.

804
01:23:36,150 --> 01:23:37,920
again, I would just personally, I think I would have sent tom schreiber

805
01:23:40,200 --> 01:23:42,480
to the conference rather than a single supervisor, but that wasn't my decision at the time.

806
01:23:44,970 --> 01:23:44,970
>> well, and I actually did invite it as well as members of our ca's office to attend,

807
01:23:50,940 --> 01:23:54,000
and they were unable to, so just to respond to that. >> okay. >> and I have met with them,

808
01:23:55,260 --> 01:23:57,555
and we've talked about some of the potential options. I'm looking to collaborate with staff.

809
01:23:59,490 --> 01:24:00,810
I'm not looking to direct them. I'm looking to the board to provide direction where it seems applicable.

810
01:24:04,500 --> 01:24:07,365
that has been my consistent approach throughout. >> okay. Supervisor harmon,

811
01:24:11,175 --> 01:24:15,135
do you have any input? Everything okay? >> public comment. >> okay. Do we have public comment?

812
01:24:16,785 --> 01:24:19,020
>> we do, chair, but before we move on, I just want to make sure that in your amendment as stated in your motion,

813
01:24:22,665 --> 01:24:22,665
that you want to change the rcrc appointment to have the member be yourself,

814
01:24:27,165 --> 01:24:29,775
supervisor kelstrom, and then the alternate be supervisor crye. There are two associated appointments with that rcrc that

815
01:24:32,700 --> 01:24:32,700
include the golden state connect authority and the golden state finance authority.

816
01:24:37,080 --> 01:24:37,080
I just look to you if you want to make the change for those two as well.

817
01:24:41,500 --> 01:24:42,710
>> yes. >> does the maker of the second agree with that?

818
01:24:48,040 --> 01:24:51,155
>> those meetings coincide with each other [overlapping] >> yes. >> at one time.

819
01:24:52,315 --> 01:24:54,090
>> okay. [overlapping] >> before public comment, I'd like to make a substitute motion

820
01:24:57,255 --> 01:25:00,825
that includes the change that you all just recommended, as well as a change to allow myself to

821
01:25:05,610 --> 01:25:05,610
be the primary for the mental health board and supervisor crye to be the alternate.

822
01:25:12,020 --> 01:25:14,070
>> there's a motion on the table. I do not hear a second so dies for lack of second.

823
01:25:18,110 --> 01:25:20,730
back to the original motion. Do we need a roll call vote for that or?

824
01:25:22,875 --> 01:25:26,415
>> public comment. >> we can take public comment first and then I'll do a roll call vote. First up, don duckett, followed by gardner,

825
01:25:28,860 --> 01:25:31,485
then dolores lucero, followed by steve khan. If I called your name, please get in queue.

826
01:25:33,330 --> 01:25:35,040
since we have under 10 speakers, it'll be 3 minutes each.

827
01:25:38,240 --> 01:25:42,120
>> can I tell you guys, I appreciate that you guys stay and gal stay and watch more of the meeting. I really do.

828
01:25:48,830 --> 01:25:48,830
>> good morning. Specifically, regarding

829
01:25:53,310 --> 01:25:57,285
the appointment to the mental health drug and alcohol advisory board, I can't speak to shark or any of the other committees,

830
01:26:00,150 --> 01:26:02,625
but I as a public member, had attended many of those meetings before supervisor plummer came on and after.

831
01:26:09,435 --> 01:26:09,435
I've also read the minutes of every meeting for the ones that I was unable to attend.

832
01:26:15,825 --> 01:26:19,710
the advisory board is just that. They're an advisory board, and I worked for the mental health department.

833
01:26:22,185 --> 01:26:24,645
I remember before those meetings, our executives would be sweating bullets because work comes out of those meetings.

834
01:26:31,545 --> 01:26:31,545
supervisor plummer has as a board member, advised staff,

835
01:26:38,325 --> 01:26:38,325
and has effectuated change in the metrics and the data and the way that

836
01:26:47,990 --> 01:26:47,990
successes and failures and all of the things around

837
01:26:53,580 --> 01:26:57,180
mental health and drug and alcohol treatment are presented to the public to be more meaningful for the public so that we're fully understanding.

838
01:27:02,115 --> 01:27:02,115
my observation of that board prior to supervisor plummer being on it,

839
01:27:09,525 --> 01:27:13,110
was it really wasn't doing anything. It was just taking reports from staff,

840
01:27:16,215 --> 01:27:16,215
and opening and closing the meeting and taking a little public comment.

841
01:27:20,760 --> 01:27:23,790
I've actually seen changes that have been effectuated that were started by supervisor plummer,

842
01:27:27,855 --> 01:27:27,855
and I think that the fact that they voted him to be vice chair,

843
01:27:31,860 --> 01:27:31,860
I think is a vote of confidence on that board that he's put some structure into that.

844
01:27:37,185 --> 01:27:40,155
I'd hate to see that fall by the wayside. That's just my $0.02 on that. Thank you.

845
01:27:43,410 --> 01:27:47,090
>> thank you. >> gardner, come on up. Followed by dolores lucero,

846
01:27:50,370 --> 01:27:54,285
steve khan, then susan weiss. If I called your name, please get in queue. >> I want to thank matt for pulling this item for discussion.

847
01:28:00,345 --> 01:28:03,825
I think it's pretty self evident what's going on here. Basically, crye wrote the schedule for assignments

848
01:28:09,585 --> 01:28:09,585
and told chris what to do with them and that's what we got.

849
01:28:16,550 --> 01:28:19,680
it's a typical ploy, a typical game, if you will, of retribution.

850
01:28:24,140 --> 01:28:24,140
you see, one of the biggest threats to mr. Crye is matt plummer,

851
01:28:30,630 --> 01:28:33,585
and to some degree, mr. Long. I can see how mr. Crye would want it to

852
01:28:38,625 --> 01:28:38,625
remove the threats because matt has done a few things that mr. Crye has not done.

853
01:28:44,850 --> 01:28:47,340
matt has reached across the aisle. He's tried to get a diversity of opinion.

854
01:28:51,135 --> 01:28:51,135
he's tried to engage in positive ways.

855
01:28:55,890 --> 01:28:59,610
he is recognized by the commissions that mr. Crye wants to remove him from as doing solid work.

856
01:29:03,960 --> 01:29:03,960
actually, getting promotions within that committee.

857
01:29:08,865 --> 01:29:08,865
removing matt from boards that involve mental health or

858
01:29:15,150 --> 01:29:15,150
physical health because he doesn't align with well,

859
01:29:20,910 --> 01:29:22,155
I was going to say chair crye, because I think that's kind of what we got, to be honest with you.

860
01:29:25,965 --> 01:29:25,965
position is punitive.

861
01:29:30,285 --> 01:29:33,495
it's divisive. It continues with the old game of I'm going to

862
01:29:39,570 --> 01:29:39,570
say extremist politics that this county has been burdened with for far too long.

863
01:29:50,690 --> 01:29:50,690
five thousand bucks to go to a meeting in idaho.

864
01:29:58,850 --> 01:29:58,850
how much did we pay chair crye to go pray with mr. Pillow?

865
01:30:03,690 --> 01:30:03,690
well, I happened to know or deliver a letter to trump,

866
01:30:08,370 --> 01:30:09,690
which he never did. I happened to know, or to help dave rickert tour the smithsonian.

867
01:30:15,915 --> 01:30:15,915
taxpayer money, you should be concerned about it,

868
01:30:20,775 --> 01:30:22,545
and I know you think it's funny. But taxpayers aren't laughing.

869
01:30:25,280 --> 01:30:25,280
taxpayers demand that we get full representation

870
01:30:31,515 --> 01:30:31,515
not partisan representation with

871
01:30:35,940 --> 01:30:35,940
the long example of divisiveness and punitive nonsense,

872
01:30:43,080 --> 01:30:43,080
removing people from boards because he because they don't align with mr. Crye.

873
01:30:53,870 --> 01:30:53,870
>> next up, dolores lucero followed by steve khan susan weiss,

874
01:30:58,005 --> 01:30:59,850
and then there was a blank form, but I believe this is bey stetson. Go ahead, dolores.

875
01:31:05,330 --> 01:31:08,250
>> we all know what you're doing here, chris. We know that.

876
01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:10,560
I think it's pretty pathetic that you actually want to do

877
01:31:14,760 --> 01:31:14,760
this to follow through to remove mr. Plummer from that position.

878
01:31:21,180 --> 01:31:23,715
you want to be just like kevin? Should I say maybe you are like kevin already.

879
01:31:28,480 --> 01:31:28,480
the reason you're going to do whatever kevin,

880
01:31:32,870 --> 01:31:34,745
even though he sits there, you're going to go ahead and listen to him because

881
01:31:37,400 --> 01:31:39,740
you already have an agenda between you three. Everything's a done deal.

882
01:31:41,650 --> 01:31:44,430
I'm sorry that you have to go through that. Mr. Plummer, even though there's some things I don't agree with you,

883
01:31:48,870 --> 01:31:48,870
but I know you will be the better person to be in the committee because

884
01:31:53,715 --> 01:31:53,715
we know your ethics and how you what you believe,

885
01:31:58,620 --> 01:32:01,455
chris, you're not going to do what's right. You're going to do whatever go against mr. Allen and plummer.

886
01:32:06,360 --> 01:32:06,360
don't be surprised that when they do this election,

887
01:32:12,315 --> 01:32:12,315
you guys will never be appointed to be chair. That's their plan.

888
01:32:16,680 --> 01:32:18,480
you better be prepared. That's their goal. I know you cannot stand allen and mr. Plummer.

889
01:32:25,065 --> 01:32:28,170
I know you talked bad about them in the past. But for you to remove him and punish him,

890
01:32:30,900 --> 01:32:32,865
and just because you don't like him, that's being biased and prejudice against him and violating his constitution,

891
01:32:37,170 --> 01:32:39,960
because when he was elected by the people, we elected him to represent our district.

892
01:32:43,275 --> 01:32:45,255
now you want to dictate, you're his boss, when we, the people,

893
01:32:48,330 --> 01:32:51,900
are his boss, not you or corky, the dummy one there,

894
01:32:53,085 --> 01:32:55,950
or mr. Crye the cry baby. No, it's not you.

895
01:32:57,960 --> 01:33:00,450
you're not the boss. We are. I'm not going to be coming here constantly,

896
01:33:02,700 --> 01:33:05,370
just complaining about everything you guys are doing and been doing and violating our constitutional rights.

897
01:33:09,600 --> 01:33:09,600
you're also violating their constitutional rights for them to represent us.

898
01:33:15,315 --> 01:33:15,315
you are taking our district,

899
01:33:19,965 --> 01:33:23,370
mr. Plummer from him representing us. Therefore, you're violating our rights.

900
01:33:26,385 --> 01:33:28,485
I'm going to tell you right now, my goal this year,

901
01:33:30,525 --> 01:33:33,720
I'm going to do more than I've done in the past, and you're going to see what it's going to take.

902
01:33:37,215 --> 01:33:40,020
what you've done, you're going to pay the consequences, because I ain't going to be coming here and

903
01:33:41,910 --> 01:33:44,715
just complaining and bitching about everything you've done. I'm going to make sure that criminal charges are be brought upon

904
01:33:48,810 --> 01:33:48,810
you guys because there's criminal crimes that you committed,

905
01:33:54,375 --> 01:33:54,375
and I'm going to see to that because I'm not going to allow you to continue to

906
01:33:59,895 --> 01:34:02,910
destroy our county and destroy people's life and live your life because you don't agree with plummer.

907
01:34:06,975 --> 01:34:09,150
>> next up, steve khan, followed by susan weiss.

908
01:34:11,445 --> 01:34:11,445
the blank form and then david halligan.

909
01:34:18,410 --> 01:34:18,410
>> board, I had hoped that chair kelstrom would step up and take control of the board,

910
01:34:25,800 --> 01:34:25,800
but I think with the decisions on and what he just stated,

911
01:34:31,830 --> 01:34:31,830
it's clear to me that that crye is still running the show and that,

912
01:34:39,120 --> 01:34:42,750
kelstrom is just this front man. It makes no sense at all, putting crye in charge of

913
01:34:44,550 --> 01:34:44,550
the mental health drug and alcohol advisory board for a couple of reasons.

914
01:34:50,340 --> 01:34:50,340
one is, he single handedly tried to undermine the most advancement we could

915
01:34:56,190 --> 01:34:59,190
make in mental health care this county has seen since the reagan administration and may have still.

916
01:35:02,355 --> 01:35:02,355
I don't know. Perhaps his letter of opposition still has an impact.

917
01:35:06,885 --> 01:35:09,600
to be grinning at something like that, crye clearly shows your level of maturity.

918
01:35:14,115 --> 01:35:15,510
>> is the guys waving goodbye? >> you're interrupting me, by the way.

919
01:35:18,620 --> 01:35:18,620
which you have no real concern for decorum.

920
01:35:26,210 --> 01:35:26,210
anyway, supervisor plummer has shown clearly that

921
01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:36,000
he's an extremely hard worker and has made advances in

922
01:35:40,410 --> 01:35:42,990
so many areas in this county to remove him from those positions is counterproductive to the county.

923
01:35:46,095 --> 01:35:46,095
it certainly those decisions have nothing to do with trying to help our community,

924
01:35:52,005 --> 01:35:55,185
but can only as I see, be catering to crye,

925
01:35:57,825 --> 01:35:57,825
because there's no one that works harder at improving situations than supervisor plummer.

926
01:36:06,915 --> 01:36:09,600
he's done an excellent job of it. It's just a shame.

927
01:36:12,300 --> 01:36:12,300
I hate to see us end up falling back in

928
01:36:17,190 --> 01:36:17,190
all these areas that have been worked on so severely.

929
01:36:21,765 --> 01:36:24,690
I know there's nothing I can say here that's going to affect it, and I think it's a sorry state.

930
01:36:27,015 --> 01:36:27,015
it does show what chris kelstrom is all about,

931
01:36:33,420 --> 01:36:36,810
and I hope everybody keeps that in mind when it's time for the election. [applause]

932
01:36:41,040 --> 01:36:44,535
>> next up, susan weiss, followed by becky stetson, then david halligan, followed by benjamin wayne.

933
01:36:47,130 --> 01:36:47,130
>> I was shocked when I read on the agenda what was happening today.

934
01:36:51,405 --> 01:36:54,315
did you three crye, kelstrom, and harmon go down to the barbershop in cottonwood and make this decision in a back room,

935
01:37:03,165 --> 01:37:04,950
like you do so many, because this clearly wasn't a transparent decision,

936
01:37:08,520 --> 01:37:10,545
nor was it discussed at a board meeting. It's all between the three of you. And you know what?

937
01:37:13,560 --> 01:37:13,560
chris kelstrom, if you heard from a person that was complaining about matt's performance,

938
01:37:20,010 --> 01:37:23,460
did you ever talk to him about this outside of the meeting? Was it ever discussed this problem outside of

939
01:37:25,800 --> 01:37:25,800
the meeting or just make the decision unilaterally on what you thought?

940
01:37:30,405 --> 01:37:32,880
one person complaining about something does not change what matt has done for this county.

941
01:37:38,145 --> 01:37:38,145
when was this ever discussed with the board or with you backstage?

942
01:37:43,230 --> 01:37:45,645
if someone is managing the staff, then it needs to be brought up by our whatever, ceo.

943
01:37:52,680 --> 01:37:55,350
it shouldn't be handled right here. It should be handled somewhere privately,

944
01:37:57,450 --> 01:38:00,195
two of you, you can talk. This is ridiculous. How was this decision made?

945
01:38:02,625 --> 01:38:05,340
where was it made? Why was it made?

946
01:38:09,230 --> 01:38:12,690
>> you have answers for any of that? I don't expect you to answer right now, but I want the public to really look at what matt plummer has done for this county.

947
01:38:18,685 --> 01:38:18,685
he's brought wisdom and structure and strategic plans.

948
01:38:23,900 --> 01:38:23,900
he knows how to operate a board.

949
01:38:29,090 --> 01:38:32,820
I am just appalled that the board and the community can't understand what matt has done for this board.

950
01:38:37,455 --> 01:38:39,450
all you have to do is listen to the weekly reports and the monthly reports from the board,

951
01:38:42,660 --> 01:38:42,660
and listen to his report compared to the others.

952
01:38:46,970 --> 01:38:46,970
this is shocking and disgusting.

953
01:38:54,510 --> 01:38:54,510
if shasta county can't realize quality in the people that they elect,

954
01:39:00,300 --> 01:39:02,970
then we're in a very pathetic situation here and we're never going to climb our way out of this.

955
01:39:05,100 --> 01:39:08,430
[applause] >> next up, becky stetson, followed by david halligan,

956
01:39:09,525 --> 01:39:11,520
then benjamin wayne. [applause] >> democrats. Pt.

957
01:39:15,000 --> 01:39:17,625
>> well, you know I'm going to agree with her. I look like her. I am truly mystified.

958
01:39:23,325 --> 01:39:26,250
you have one problem with his behavior. Don't you guys just, like, say,

959
01:39:27,990 --> 01:39:31,665
I know you're new on this thing, and you're not allowed to do that. Don't do it again. What? You got to realize the optics on this are disgusting.

960
01:39:37,320 --> 01:39:38,880
you look at that list, and oh, look at that. Gone, gone.

961
01:39:42,410 --> 01:39:44,625
cry, cry. Gone gone. Cry cry. You guys got to be aware of your audience for god's sake.

962
01:39:48,780 --> 01:39:52,470
this is a representative form of government. You may not agree with me,

963
01:39:54,180 --> 01:39:55,635
but you represent me. All of you represent all of us, despite our politics.

964
01:40:01,305 --> 01:40:03,735
we have a place on those boards. We have a hard worker who's willing to do the job,

965
01:40:06,090 --> 01:40:06,090
and you two are like, well he screwed up that one thing.

966
01:40:10,440 --> 01:40:13,470
did you talk to him? What was the discussion? How do you guys plan things?

967
01:40:17,300 --> 01:40:21,210
you every single time, during all meetings, your head is down,

968
01:40:23,730 --> 01:40:26,460
you're smirking for god's sake, grow up. [laughter] you're an adult.

969
01:40:28,785 --> 01:40:28,785
what did your mother teach you? Crap sake.

970
01:40:33,360 --> 01:40:36,180
you have had your head down the entire time I've been here, and I've been here all morning.

971
01:40:37,875 --> 01:40:37,875
it's rude. This looks like a cry fiefdom.

972
01:40:42,960 --> 01:40:46,590
you guys are like arranging the pieces, and it all goes back to him. Why is that? You be boss now.

973
01:40:50,415 --> 01:40:52,605
look at what you're doing, and look at how it looks.

974
01:40:55,185 --> 01:40:59,090
it's the craziest thing I've ever seen. Are we going to create? Who gets the list of committees?

975
01:41:03,390 --> 01:41:04,590
can somebody answer me that? Where do you get all these committees? I'll ask you.

976
01:41:07,455 --> 01:41:11,450
>> don't interrupt her. >> well, I don't know how the list of committees comes to.

977
01:41:14,700 --> 01:41:16,275
>> boards website. >> thank you. But, you divvy them up evenly, I assume,

978
01:41:20,190 --> 01:41:23,460
and people say, no, I can't do that one, and people say, I can't do this one. I'd like to do that one. You do it.

979
01:41:25,440 --> 01:41:28,035
then you do this. Did you even look at the optics of this for everybody?

980
01:41:32,610 --> 01:41:32,610
shame on you and really shame on you, buddy.

981
01:41:36,780 --> 01:41:40,020
you are not a good board member for the simple reason that you don't raise your head and respect the people who are talking,

982
01:41:43,680 --> 01:41:43,680
and I don't care what side of the aisle they come from.

983
01:41:48,620 --> 01:41:50,820
>> next up, david halligan, followed by benjamin wane.

984
01:41:54,350 --> 01:41:56,955
>> happy new year board. >> happy near, david.

985
01:41:58,380 --> 01:41:58,380
>> thank you. No examples today when matt questioned you,

986
01:42:02,415 --> 01:42:05,640
mr. Kelstrom, with specifics on staff. Didn't hear any examples.

987
01:42:07,575 --> 01:42:09,930
mr. Kelstrom, removing someone from a committee assignment after only one year is ill advised as it takes

988
01:42:14,370 --> 01:42:17,430
significant time to develop the expertise and relationships necessary for effective service.

989
01:42:21,630 --> 01:42:21,630
let's look at some of chair crye's irrational assignments changes for 2026.

990
01:42:27,315 --> 01:42:29,730
mr. Plummer, his 25 appointments. He was the functional health and human services and shark representative.

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01:42:34,125 --> 01:42:36,270
was plummer, now mr. Crye, csac policy committee health and human services.

992
01:42:39,315 --> 01:42:42,150
was mr. Plummer, now mr. Crye? Mental health and alcohol and drug advisory board.

993
01:42:45,285 --> 01:42:48,675
was mr. Plummer, now mr. Crye. Mr. Plummer has done more for this county with mental health, alcohol,

994
01:42:53,850 --> 01:42:53,850
and drug abuse, more than the other four of you up here combined this past year.

995
01:42:59,680 --> 01:43:02,690
california state association of counties. Matt was the alternate.

996
01:43:04,160 --> 01:43:07,235
now it's mr. Harmon. Mr. Long. He was assigned as the alternate in the rural county representation of california, rcrc.

997
01:43:14,835 --> 01:43:18,135
now it's been changed, where chris has taken the position. Not mr. Long who should have moved up.

998
01:43:21,495 --> 01:43:24,645
but now mr. Crye takes that second position. Mr. Kelstrom, appointment should be 2-3 years as it allows for

999
01:43:28,350 --> 01:43:28,350
a natural growth cycle benefiting both the person serving in the organization.

1000
01:43:33,375 --> 01:43:34,860
the learning curve, year 1. One year terms are too short for members to get up to speed.

1001
01:43:37,605 --> 01:43:39,870
you're learning about the organizational members, nuances history and how the committee operates.

1002
01:43:42,510 --> 01:43:44,355
maximum impact, year 2. You're now full on boarded and engaged.

1003
01:43:47,070 --> 01:43:50,520
this is typically when you make your most meaningful contributions, take leadership roles and drive strategic projects.

1004
01:43:54,180 --> 01:43:57,015
then year 3, mentoring and transition. In your final year, you serve as a veteran presence,

1005
01:44:00,705 --> 01:44:00,705
helping to mentor new members and ensuring a smooth knowledge transfer.

1006
01:44:06,630 --> 01:44:09,015
mr. Kelstrom, year today, you're putting people on different boards,

1007
01:44:12,510 --> 01:44:16,440
citizen groups to two, three, and four year, not one, why was kevin given two years in a row as the chair,

1008
01:44:19,875 --> 01:44:23,040
for his experiences, for his first year, for his knowledge. But no, not mr. Plummer.

1009
01:44:25,980 --> 01:44:27,960
I was truly hoping, yes, hoping for a unified start in 2026 with this board.

1010
01:44:30,960 --> 01:44:34,455
but no, mr. Kelstrom, you're starting off with a bigger divide, a larger wedge between this team.

1011
01:44:36,450 --> 01:44:40,410
a new chair for 2026. No, I don't think so, mr. Kelstrom. What you've displayed today in your appointments is that you were

1012
01:44:43,410 --> 01:44:46,755
the puppet with the puppet master stromboli, the villain from pinocchio,

1013
01:44:48,330 --> 01:44:51,840
sitting on your right side. You, mr. Kelstrom, you've already let the strings get in your way.

1014
01:44:54,300 --> 01:44:57,300
[applause] >> next up, benjamin none. >> we are once

1015
01:45:04,050 --> 01:45:04,050
again discussing removing people who know what they are doing from their committees.

1016
01:45:08,835 --> 01:45:11,640
supervisor matt plummer and allen long being removed from major committee assignments after only one year,

1017
01:45:13,950 --> 01:45:17,295
while crye remains the lead member on many of those same bodies. Some things never change.

1018
01:45:19,920 --> 01:45:21,840
it's classic crye. Unfortunately, this board doesn't have the fortitude to lead by example,

1019
01:45:25,245 --> 01:45:28,080
so they choose to lead by force. Just to reiterate, supervisor plummer is being

1020
01:45:30,690 --> 01:45:33,195
removed from key health and human services roles, including the county functional area for

1021
01:45:34,860 --> 01:45:37,290
health and human services and src representation, the ssac health services policy committee and

1022
01:45:39,960 --> 01:45:42,690
the mental health alcohol and drug advisory board, each replaced by cri.

1023
01:45:45,195 --> 01:45:49,035
these rules require continuity, trust, and institutional knowledge. Removing an engaged supervisor after one year undermines that work and furthermore,

1024
01:45:53,520 --> 01:45:56,445
it disenfranchises those who voted for them. Supervisor allen long is being removed from major regional assignments,

1025
01:46:00,225 --> 01:46:03,030
including rcrc, the golden state connect authority, and the golden state finance authority.

1026
01:46:04,890 --> 01:46:07,680
reminder, this follows a mid year attempt last year again by crye to remove supervisor long from rcrc,

1027
01:46:11,370 --> 01:46:11,370
making it clear this is not a neutral tation, but a repeated effort.

1028
01:46:15,540 --> 01:46:18,060
now I want to talk about staff recommendations. We hear a lot about staff recommendations and that these changes are staff driven,

1029
01:46:21,465 --> 01:46:24,045
but I worked here, and I know how it works, especially for at will employees.

1030
01:46:26,355 --> 01:46:26,355
I know personally what happens when you don't happen to follow the will of this board.

1031
01:46:30,645 --> 01:46:32,790
anyone who knows me knows there are consequences, and that reality matters here.

1032
01:46:34,830 --> 01:46:38,040
go ahead and ignore me, but my request is simple. Own these decisions at the board level.

1033
01:46:40,095 --> 01:46:42,615
if there's a performance issue, state it on the record. If this is a power reallocation, say it plainly.

1034
01:46:45,765 --> 01:46:48,630
don't place staff in the position of carrying political decisions. [applause]

1035
01:46:51,090 --> 01:46:54,450
>> chair, that was our last speaker. I do just want to make one announcement. Before I had mentioned the associated appointments with rcrc.

1036
01:46:57,870 --> 01:46:59,820
the other one I neglected to mention was the rcrc environmental services joint powers authority,

1037
01:47:02,460 --> 01:47:02,460
which is also an associated appointment with rcrc.

1038
01:47:06,645 --> 01:47:10,170
for clarity, if you are looking to be the member for rcrc, I would recommend that as part of your amended motion,

1039
01:47:12,540 --> 01:47:16,440
and I will ask you to restate it, that you include that you would be the member. The alternate would not be supervisor y as that is

1040
01:47:18,780 --> 01:47:18,780
typically filled by members of the department of public works,

1041
01:47:22,800 --> 01:47:22,800
which is troy bartley and charlene beard.

1042
01:47:29,210 --> 01:47:32,085
>> I will amend my motion. I don't think you didn't get your speaker card in on time.

1043
01:47:41,600 --> 01:47:44,520
I'm sorry. You didn't get your speak card in on time. That was our last speaker.

1044
01:47:46,365 --> 01:47:49,900
I will amend my motion. Did you say something. >> well, I was just going to add I've listened to everything here.

1045
01:47:54,335 --> 01:47:54,335
I was on the fence about supervisor plummer's motion.

1046
01:47:59,830 --> 01:48:02,960
I don't know, procedurally, how we do this, but I think he's an incredibly valuable asset to our community.

1047
01:48:08,720 --> 01:48:08,720
I appreciate your ability to make assignments as chair,

1048
01:48:13,635 --> 01:48:16,200
and I value that a lot, and that's why I stayed a little quiet. But I'm really torn on this issue and listening to the public,

1049
01:48:21,270 --> 01:48:21,270
and it just dawned on me that I have to stand up for matt in this case.

1050
01:48:26,370 --> 01:48:26,370
your motion was to the mental health advisory board,

1051
01:48:32,600 --> 01:48:35,635
but you didn't say anything about shark? I would love to stay on shark as well, but,

1052
01:48:39,090 --> 01:48:39,090
I was hoping at least for one of these that I'd be able to remain.

1053
01:48:44,250 --> 01:48:46,320
>> what was your motion? >> that basically all the other assignments as is,

1054
01:48:50,730 --> 01:48:54,405
including the amendment that supervisor kelstrom put forward, and then that I would be

1055
01:48:56,730 --> 01:49:00,510
the primary member for mental health alcohol and drug advisory board, and supervisor crye would be the alternate.

1056
01:49:03,610 --> 01:49:07,490
>> if you want to make that motion again as a substitute motion, I will second it.

1057
01:49:09,230 --> 01:49:12,550
>> I will make that substitute motion. >> I will second. [applause]

1058
01:49:21,540 --> 01:49:23,730
>> chair, would you like me to call for a real call vote? >> we'll go for a real call vote. I want to make it clear again.

1059
01:49:26,880 --> 01:49:26,880
like I said, you requested 17 different positions,

1060
01:49:31,410 --> 01:49:34,500
and I gave you 15 of those 17. I stated my reasons why I did have staff talk to me that

1061
01:49:40,410 --> 01:49:42,630
you were directing staff as one supervisor rather than going to ceo and going through the proper channel.

1062
01:49:46,365 --> 01:49:46,365
that was why I removed o on that board. We can take a real call vote.

1063
01:49:50,400 --> 01:49:54,090
>> starting with supervisor and this is the second. >> correct.

1064
01:49:55,560 --> 01:49:59,010
>> just for clarification, I want to make sure that the maker of the motion in the second are both okay with all of the amendments,

1065
01:50:01,020 --> 01:50:03,900
even the ones that I've outlined for rcrc. >> kat to my right.

1066
01:50:05,625 --> 01:50:09,255
>> supervisor plummer? >> yes. >> supervisor crye? >> no.

1067
01:50:09,945 --> 01:50:13,785
>> supervisor kelstrom? >> no. >> supervisor harmon? >> no. >> supervisor long?

1068
01:50:14,880 --> 01:50:17,840
>> yes. >> predictable.

1069
01:50:19,170 --> 01:50:22,610
>> now I will restate my motion. The way the chairman's picks are as is,

1070
01:50:25,860 --> 01:50:28,980
with the exception of the rcrc pick I want to be the member. Supervisor crye be the alternate,

1071
01:50:30,795 --> 01:50:30,795
and that goes across the board with the golden state connect authority,

1072
01:50:35,250 --> 01:50:38,850
the finance authority and environmental services joint powers association. We'll make those changes on those two.

1073
01:50:40,395 --> 01:50:43,680
>> with the exception of the alternate for the esg jpa, which is last one you just said,

1074
01:50:45,045 --> 01:50:48,240
the alternate would be the members of public works? >> correct. >> I'm going to say some before we take our vote because the previous two years,

1075
01:50:57,710 --> 01:51:01,230
mary rickert was the mahab dab and shark. But I did all the policy committee stuff for hhsa worked closely with csac.

1076
01:51:08,160 --> 01:51:11,040
then when I was chair, when matt first came on, that was an interest,

1077
01:51:12,315 --> 01:51:16,170
and was fine to relinquish that. But stepping back into these roles isn't

1078
01:51:18,585 --> 01:51:18,585
foreign as I did this work for the first two years.

1079
01:51:23,390 --> 01:51:26,430
I just want to make sure that people understand. When supervisor kelstrom asked I'd be willing to step back in just no problem.

1080
01:51:31,905 --> 01:51:31,905
he's the chair, and that's his prerogative to make those appointments.

1081
01:51:37,490 --> 01:51:37,490
great job there from the peanut gallery. Good job.

1082
01:51:42,020 --> 01:51:44,625
>> chair, who would you like me to start with? >> let's start to my left.

1083
01:51:46,820 --> 01:51:49,005
>> you want to take more. >> I just have a quick thing to say.

1084
01:51:52,380 --> 01:51:56,000
>> no problem. No problem. I respect your position as chair.

1085
01:52:00,735 --> 01:52:00,735
rcrc, and we've talked about this.

1086
01:52:05,220 --> 01:52:05,220
that's really important to me.

1087
01:52:10,970 --> 01:52:14,850
the continuity thing and some of those things and the expertise, and the relationships I've started to develop.

1088
01:52:17,265 --> 01:52:20,610
that is important to me, but we've talked about this, and so I'm not going to fight that,

1089
01:52:22,545 --> 01:52:25,950
but I will continue to be involved with rcrc because I do want to get eventually into a position

1090
01:52:29,460 --> 01:52:32,160
where I have some influence with the state because I think it's really important for us to

1091
01:52:35,415 --> 01:52:38,925
to legislatively and for purposes of funding and those things to develop those relationships,

1092
01:52:43,260 --> 01:52:45,615
and I believe it takes a little bit of time. I'm disappointed with that.

1093
01:52:47,400 --> 01:52:49,785
I will not contest that. But you heard my position with mattz.

1094
01:52:53,130 --> 01:52:56,330
I just think that he is such a value to our community in this area for his interest in health and human services,

1095
01:53:03,360 --> 01:53:06,960
so the mental health issues. That's where I stood on all that, and I'm prepared to vote.

1096
01:53:10,640 --> 01:53:10,640
>> supervisor long.

1097
01:53:15,090 --> 01:53:15,090
>> here we go. This is the motion that supervisor kelstrom made?

1098
01:53:21,250 --> 01:53:22,555
>> correct. >> yes. >> supervisor harmon?

1099
01:53:27,630 --> 01:53:29,950
>> we're taking a roll call vote for the original motion on the table by supervisor kelstrom?

1100
01:53:32,755 --> 01:53:36,625
>> with the chair depicts with the exception of rccb and swap. >> correct.

1101
01:53:40,290 --> 01:53:44,170
>> yes. >> yes. >> supervisor kelstrom? >> yes.

1102
01:53:44,905 --> 01:53:48,100
>> supervisor crye? >> yes. >> and supervisor plummer. >> no.

1103
01:53:52,980 --> 01:53:56,860
>> ss41. Okay. Moving on to c7. I really have no problem with c7 with the exception of 4b.

1104
01:54:02,170 --> 01:54:02,170
I will make a motion to approve with the exception of 4b.

1105
01:54:09,120 --> 01:54:09,120
>> and that's something that I'm sorry.

1106
01:54:13,195 --> 01:54:15,985
>> I'm waiting for a second. >> I just I just want to clarify,

1107
01:54:17,980 --> 01:54:20,665
is ceo dave rickert going to, he's the one that pulled this correctly?

1108
01:54:22,255 --> 01:54:23,065
>> I pulled it. >> you pulled it. Okay. I'll second. For discussion.

1109
01:54:27,245 --> 01:54:29,670
>> are you to speak? Do you want to? >> yeah, I was just going to ask if ceo rickert because I

1110
01:54:33,060 --> 01:54:33,060
didn't know what that conversation was when he had talked about pulling it.

1111
01:54:37,305 --> 01:54:38,670
I just was curious if that was. >> supervisor plummer.

1112
01:54:45,540 --> 01:54:49,360
>> I'll let's ceo speak first. >> okay. >> mic's are messing up.

1113
01:54:57,390 --> 01:55:00,600
>> ceo rickert. >> thank you, chairman kelstrom.

1114
01:55:03,400 --> 01:55:06,370
first of all, I'd like to thank chairman kelstrom, members of the board, regarding item 4b with c7,

1115
01:55:09,595 --> 01:55:11,590
the appointment of mr. Henninger. My office respectfully requests that the board vote not to include that appointment.

1116
01:55:16,015 --> 01:55:18,235
this recommendation is made thoughtfully, with the board's discretion fully in mind.

1117
01:55:20,545 --> 01:55:23,650
with the understanding that the final decision rests with the board, I want to emphasize that this recommendation is

1118
01:55:25,810 --> 01:55:28,630
made with the interest of ensuring the board's appointments are best support the objectives and needs of

1119
01:55:30,910 --> 01:55:34,255
the shasta county mental health alcohol and advisory board. I will defer any questions to the board's consideration.

1120
01:55:37,210 --> 01:55:37,210
>> thank you, ceo rickert, supervisor plummer.

1121
01:55:42,390 --> 01:55:42,390
>> yes, I've interacted with mr. Henninger quite

1122
01:55:47,290 --> 01:55:51,205
a bit throughout both my time on that board and prior to that, and certainly he is one to push in terms of wanting to see what,

1123
01:55:59,200 --> 01:56:02,425
I use the term that, he used a lot of accountability. Sometimes I would say that approach doesn't always come across in a way

1124
01:56:06,850 --> 01:56:06,850
that is super friendly or super,

1125
01:56:11,980 --> 01:56:11,980
I would say, collaborative.

1126
01:56:16,375 --> 01:56:19,750
at the same time, I think that what he's aiming for, which is that that board fulfill its mandated duties as outlined in its by

1127
01:56:25,960 --> 01:56:28,960
laws to represent the community and ensure that great mental health services and behavioral health services are being delivered,

1128
01:56:33,130 --> 01:56:33,130
that that is something that continues to be his driving motivation.

1129
01:56:37,540 --> 01:56:37,540
I think particularly without being on the board myself,

1130
01:56:42,190 --> 01:56:45,865
I want to ensure that folks who are on that board have that focus on outcomes and have a focus there.

1131
01:56:50,350 --> 01:56:53,820
I would support his reappointment to them. >> supervisor long, you had been in queue, no where.

1132
01:57:00,360 --> 01:57:00,360
>> thank you. Yes, I agree.

1133
01:57:04,555 --> 01:57:04,555
I've met with mr. Henninger many times over the past year and a half,

1134
01:57:09,145 --> 01:57:09,145
and I find him to be well educated and competent,

1135
01:57:13,390 --> 01:57:13,390
and I would support his return.

1136
01:57:18,600 --> 01:57:18,600
>> okay. So we have a motion on the table and the second by supervisor crye.

1137
01:57:24,250 --> 01:57:28,165
should we take a real call vote on this one also? >> yeah, we do have public comment. We have two speakers. >> okay.

1138
01:57:28,900 --> 01:57:28,900
>> first up, duro sissero, followed by leslie.

1139
01:57:47,610 --> 01:57:47,610
>> this item. I understand that mr. Rickert the ceo pulled this item out of the agenda.

1140
01:57:56,005 --> 01:57:59,695
since when does he have authority to request for that? >> I pulled it. >> you did, but didn't he request it.

1141
01:58:02,695 --> 01:58:05,800
so even though you pulled it, but he requested. Since when does he have authority for that?

1142
01:58:08,455 --> 01:58:08,455
are you giving him special treatment now to be able to do that now?

1143
01:58:14,395 --> 01:58:17,785
is that part of his being a ceo? I don't think so. I do believe that you violated some laws

1144
01:58:24,280 --> 01:58:24,280
here by allowing him to tell you what needs to be pulled out of the agenda?

1145
01:58:31,510 --> 01:58:31,510
ceo, that's not his position or his job to do.

1146
01:58:38,100 --> 01:58:40,360
>> okay, next speaker, leslie, and chair, this is our last speaker.

1147
01:58:43,320 --> 01:58:47,215
>> pretty sure it's exactly his job to make sure this county runs correctly and advise you

1148
01:58:50,575 --> 01:58:52,795
when your staff and your county workers have a concern about something you might not be aware of.

1149
01:58:57,670 --> 01:58:57,670
thank you, ceo rickert for looking at the fine print and making the board aware.

1150
01:59:03,990 --> 01:59:07,960
I am a little shocked to find out that we only have an objection with one of these members being appointed.

1151
01:59:12,055 --> 01:59:12,055
I don't know anything about the chiropractor doctor that you guys pulled it because of.

1152
01:59:18,655 --> 01:59:21,040
but I would say it's probably in your best interest to support staff and if staff has reasons,

1153
01:59:24,280 --> 01:59:28,150
and if you have questions, why staff has reasons, maybe hold it over, till you hear from staff why or make that decision

1154
01:59:31,510 --> 01:59:35,350
based on the fact that staff has concern, or concerns. My concern on who we're appointing,

1155
01:59:38,185 --> 01:59:39,430
and let me be clear, I want to see this board fully filled because I want to see

1156
01:59:43,210 --> 01:59:43,210
the good work that I have a dear friend who was very passionate about this board,

1157
01:59:48,445 --> 01:59:51,310
that we recently lost. I know it was very important to him that this board moves forward,

1158
01:59:56,260 --> 01:59:57,970
and this board does well, so I will be there to support them in any way that I can,

1159
02:00:00,985 --> 02:00:03,325
and I would like to see it move forward. That being said, I have a severe problem, and he was here earlier,

1160
02:00:07,450 --> 02:00:07,450
I don't know if he still is with appointing somebody who allegedly,

1161
02:00:11,680 --> 02:00:14,110
I don't know if it isn't, whatever, because they kept it pretty quiet even though we asked about it as media,

1162
02:00:18,445 --> 02:00:18,445
appointing somebody who has a dui to a mental health and drug advisory board.

1163
02:00:23,695 --> 02:00:26,020
I think that's a problem. If it's an alleged dui,

1164
02:00:27,940 --> 02:00:30,325
it's a pleaded dui, whatever it is, I think having somebody,

1165
02:00:32,770 --> 02:00:32,770
and I've made similar complaints and similar arguments when you tried to

1166
02:00:36,940 --> 02:00:36,940
appoint somebody else who had seven duis on six different instances,

1167
02:00:41,980 --> 02:00:44,965
allegedly, I've made the same claim. I don't think somebody who's in that mental state should be appointed to a board,

1168
02:00:48,640 --> 02:00:51,865
especially one about mental health and drug advisory. That being said, that leaves two openings,

1169
02:00:55,765 --> 02:00:55,765
and I think that matt does have a special place for this board in his heart.

1170
02:01:03,265 --> 02:01:03,265
I do know that my friend that I lost really respected matt's position on that board.

1171
02:01:09,295 --> 02:01:12,025
if matt as an individual, not as a board member,

1172
02:01:13,795 --> 02:01:13,795
was to go on and fill one of those two spaces as a member of the community,

1173
02:01:19,570 --> 02:01:20,755
as a business owner, as somebody who you're work in savannah,

1174
02:01:23,800 --> 02:01:27,490
and your work with, what governor newsom brought you up here. Again, I'm going to disagree with both of

1175
02:01:29,230 --> 02:01:32,125
those things that you were up here to help push. Your work and that type of stuff does qualify you to be on a board like this.

1176
02:01:36,595 --> 02:01:39,175
even though I disagree with those things, I think that you have a willingness to work on it,

1177
02:01:42,940 --> 02:01:42,940
and if it's in your capacity as a person, I'd be for.

1178
02:01:47,760 --> 02:01:47,760
>> thank you. Okay, so the motion is to accept c7 as is with the exception of 4b,

1179
02:01:55,780 --> 02:01:58,615
and the second was by supervisor crye. >> you want me to take a roll call.

1180
02:02:00,285 --> 02:02:02,415
>> sorry, could I interject? >> absolutely. >> yeah, I'd like to make a substitute motion

1181
02:02:04,890 --> 02:02:07,410
that we approve it as with the full support. Just one comment on the is that in the bylaws,

1182
02:02:11,250 --> 02:02:11,250
it requires you to have people on the board who have lived experience with these issues.

1183
02:02:15,690 --> 02:02:15,690
that, well, not obviously requiring a dui, for example,

1184
02:02:19,780 --> 02:02:22,570
but having people who are in recovery, and so that is a key piece of that just for the broader context.

1185
02:02:26,890 --> 02:02:26,890
but I'll make a substitute motion that we approve as is with the full set of appointees.

1186
02:02:33,270 --> 02:02:35,740
>> I'll second that motion. >> just out of curiosity.

1187
02:02:38,280 --> 02:02:41,970
>> supervisor crye. >> the substitute motion,

1188
02:02:44,710 --> 02:02:47,830
isn't that the same thing? Anyway, it just feels like it.

1189
02:02:50,080 --> 02:02:53,725
>> same as what? >> well, what I'm saying is we're going to take a vote. It's either yay or nay, and then the outcome would obviously be.

1190
02:02:55,510 --> 02:02:58,600
but if you want to make a substitute motion, I'm not sure. I'm sorry. I want to say this.

1191
02:03:01,030 --> 02:03:01,030
I look at the list of names that we have in terms of not just christy coleman,

1192
02:03:10,570 --> 02:03:11,935
but bailey cougar, cindy, I mean, it goes on and on.

1193
02:03:16,010 --> 02:03:16,010
if you guys felt strongly enough to move it in that direction,

1194
02:03:21,180 --> 02:03:24,150
and with the work that that department has done and how far it's come in the last eight, nine months,

1195
02:03:27,120 --> 02:03:29,070
and I'll even say how far it's even come in the three years since coming out of covid when supervisor kelstrom and I took office.

1196
02:03:34,780 --> 02:03:38,305
I mean, hhsa is completely turning around, and still has areas of improvement like every department.

1197
02:03:43,465 --> 02:03:46,300
I mean, any organization that has 1,000 employees and a 300 and whatever $30 million budget

1198
02:03:49,330 --> 02:03:51,880
is going to have issues and it's going to take time. But I'm appreciative of christi your department and ceo rickert.

1199
02:03:56,920 --> 02:03:59,635
if that's your guys' recommendation, I'm going to go with that because I think it's you guys have earned my trust in that way.

1200
02:04:06,930 --> 02:04:06,930
>> okay. Substitute motion was going to be approved as is.

1201
02:04:12,310 --> 02:04:15,895
starting to my right, we'll take a roll call vote. >> supervisor plummer? >> yes.

1202
02:04:16,795 --> 02:04:20,665
>> supervisor crye? >> no. >> supervisor kelstrom? >> no. >> supervisor harmon?

1203
02:04:21,940 --> 02:04:24,865
>> no. >> and supervisor long? >> yes. >> all right. We'll go back to the original motion,

1204
02:04:27,130 --> 02:04:27,130
which is except as is with the exception of 4b. You start on the same spot.

1205
02:04:32,320 --> 02:04:36,190
>> supervisor plummer? >> no. >> supervisor crye? >> yes.

1206
02:04:36,745 --> 02:04:40,720
>> supervisor kelstrom? >> yes. >> supervisor harmon? >> yes. >> and supervisor long? >> no.

1207
02:04:41,665 --> 02:04:41,665
>> as is 3-2. Okay. Moving on to r3,

1208
02:04:49,060 --> 02:04:49,060
approve the 2026 board of supervisors meeting calendar.

1209
02:04:53,170 --> 02:04:55,510
is there a public speakers? >> one moment, chair.

1210
02:04:58,590 --> 02:05:01,240
we don't have any requests to speak on this item. >> okay. Supervisor crye.

1211
02:05:03,955 --> 02:05:05,665
>> yeah, I'll kick it off. I'm going to support the calendar that you've put forth.

1212
02:05:10,060 --> 02:05:10,060
I will say, I really feel strongly about the past two years,

1213
02:05:15,670 --> 02:05:15,670
we've tried to meet at least three times a month every week, sometimes.

1214
02:05:20,590 --> 02:05:20,590
I think organizations, this large need a more frequent pulse than twice a month.

1215
02:05:29,380 --> 02:05:29,380
when you have the budget and the amount of employees and the issues that we have,

1216
02:05:33,835 --> 02:05:33,835
I think the five of us collectively should be getting together more than,

1217
02:05:39,055 --> 02:05:42,595
you know, 18 hours, 16 hours a month collectively together to discuss these issues.

1218
02:05:46,270 --> 02:05:46,270
but I'm going to support it because as chair, you set that,

1219
02:05:50,605 --> 02:05:52,870
I would ask that at some point, maybe in the year, we do try and add a night meeting.

1220
02:05:55,240 --> 02:05:57,895
that's something that I was really strongly about in my two years was bringing some night meetings,

1221
02:06:01,420 --> 02:06:01,420
although I don't think the topics were always the ones I maybe would have wanted,

1222
02:06:06,550 --> 02:06:06,550
but I just want to know I'm going to support this calendar as you've put forth.

1223
02:06:14,395 --> 02:06:16,690
>> and supervisor crye, there is two night meetings. There is one on march 24th and one on october 27th there.

1224
02:06:20,065 --> 02:06:23,290
>> my apologies, chair, I think you might have an outdated version as proposed, there are no night meetings.

1225
02:06:24,760 --> 02:06:27,700
>> okay. Well, then I'll go ahead and discuss that because when I was running, I actually,

1226
02:06:30,895 --> 02:06:30,895
at one point, wanted to have all of our meetings on a wednesday night,

1227
02:06:35,020 --> 02:06:37,630
like the cities do on tuesday nights. I thought it would be better the public could get there and there'd be more engagement.

1228
02:06:41,455 --> 02:06:44,515
but then once we have had those, it is extremely difficult on staff.

1229
02:06:46,675 --> 02:06:50,155
we have several members of staff in here right now. It's difficult, patrick is there with

1230
02:06:53,200 --> 02:06:56,020
his laptop as jared working while they're in this meeting, and to hold these meetings until 11:00 at night or midnight.

1231
02:06:59,215 --> 02:07:01,840
it's very difficult on staff. My opinion changed once I got up here because I realized

1232
02:07:05,050 --> 02:07:08,350
that it's not just the supervisors talking with the public, which is what I wanted more of,

1233
02:07:10,210 --> 02:07:13,615
but it also hinders staff greatly. I'm not opposed to the night meetings.

1234
02:07:15,730 --> 02:07:19,660
I think it might benefit us to have one or two, like this original calendar that I was given.

1235
02:07:22,585 --> 02:07:25,870
but again, I know it's difficult on staff, so here's the other thought.

1236
02:07:27,460 --> 02:07:27,460
so supervisor long.

1237
02:07:32,130 --> 02:07:32,130
>> thank you, chair. There's a pause in the mics today.

1238
02:07:38,070 --> 02:07:38,070
ceo rickert, I'd just like to ask you a question and you and I've talked about this,

1239
02:07:43,210 --> 02:07:46,795
but I think the public needs to understand this point. In june on this calendar and I support the calendar,

1240
02:07:50,065 --> 02:07:53,635
and I support all the efforts went into creating this. But there are seven different meetings.

1241
02:07:55,360 --> 02:07:57,235
three of those are budget hearings, and we'll have a meeting every week in the month of june.

1242
02:08:04,630 --> 02:08:07,990
can you explain to everyone what you told me about the need for year end activity and some of those things.

1243
02:08:14,690 --> 02:08:17,070
>> thank you, supervisor long. One of the challenges in june, obviously,

1244
02:08:19,170 --> 02:08:22,515
we have the budget hearings that take an inordinate amount of time, but I think it's very important we go through the budget line by line,

1245
02:08:25,830 --> 02:08:28,290
department by department and have those department heads come in front of not only the board of supervisors,

1246
02:08:30,780 --> 02:08:33,060
but the public and be able to explain their budget and be able to defend the budget that they're requesting.

1247
02:08:35,340 --> 02:08:36,795
I think that's critical. These are conversations I've had at length with the supervisor crye,

1248
02:08:40,995 --> 02:08:40,995
and I agree that that is a vital component of public service.

1249
02:08:45,120 --> 02:08:46,890
the other meetings in june, we have an inordinate amount of activity based on our year-end with

1250
02:08:49,740 --> 02:08:49,740
our contracts and a host of other issues that have to happen for the year-end closing.

1251
02:08:55,430 --> 02:08:55,430
those meetings, although it'd be great not to have that many meetings in june,

1252
02:08:59,540 --> 02:09:01,940
those are necessary to facilitate the exercise and efficiency of county government in shasta county.

1253
02:09:06,415 --> 02:09:08,690
>> thank you. >> anything else, supervisor long?

1254
02:09:10,830 --> 02:09:12,360
are you okay with it? Did you make any changes, supervisor plummer? No changes.

1255
02:09:15,690 --> 02:09:18,660
>> supervisor kelstrom, in terms of the night meeting, is this something that you want to just adopt

1256
02:09:20,370 --> 02:09:24,290
the calendar as is and then maybe come back? >> I'll leave that up to the board.

1257
02:09:28,040 --> 02:09:30,600
I do like night meetings, although it's extremely difficult on staff.

1258
02:09:34,470 --> 02:09:38,100
the other thing that surprised me a little bit is when we did have our night meetings, I fully expected to have

1259
02:09:39,450 --> 02:09:42,510
quite a few other people there that normally couldn't make a meeting, and we really never really seen that.

1260
02:09:46,070 --> 02:09:48,750
maybe the very first night meeting we had. I remember one gentleman showed up that worked,

1261
02:09:51,600 --> 02:09:51,600
but other than that, we didn't really get a whole bunch of a group of different people.

1262
02:09:57,075 --> 02:10:00,870
>> I'll make a motion. We accept the calendar as this. >> seconded. >> I'll second that.

1263
02:10:02,520 --> 02:10:06,015
>> I say, motion by supervisor crye. Seconded by supervisor plummer. He beats you to it corkey. All those in favor?

1264
02:10:10,200 --> 02:10:11,460
>> aye. >> aye. >> aye. >> aye. >> any opposed? There's no public comment on?

1265
02:10:15,180 --> 02:10:16,665
>> no, chair. >> moving on to r4.

1266
02:10:20,790 --> 02:10:20,790
discuss the proposed amendment to administrative policy 1-101,

1267
02:10:25,230 --> 02:10:28,650
operation and conduct of business before the board of supervisors regarding agenda item placement at the request of

1268
02:10:30,420 --> 02:10:30,420
individual board members and consider providing direction to staff.

1269
02:10:35,710 --> 02:10:35,710
who would like to start this out? Supervisor plummer.

1270
02:10:40,220 --> 02:10:42,350
>> if you would, chair. The reason this is coming before the board is there was a motion at a previous meeting to bring this item

1271
02:10:44,960 --> 02:10:47,240
back for discussion made by supervisor plummer so if we want to kick it off with supervisor plummer.

1272
02:10:50,210 --> 02:10:53,960
>> sure, yes, happy to. At the time when I brought this up a few meetings ago and this was before even the chair vote.

1273
02:10:58,005 --> 02:10:58,005
the idea was basically that all of us were elected equally and so we should be able to

1274
02:11:05,190 --> 02:11:08,250
bring something forward for the full board consideration versus having to go through the chair and have a discussion there,

1275
02:11:12,600 --> 02:11:14,670
which can slow things down, can get things blocked that might be approved by a board majority, and also,

1276
02:11:21,060 --> 02:11:23,160
that creates some challenges with the brown act, because if then the chair and

1277
02:11:27,090 --> 02:11:27,090
the person putting it forth have a discussion just to see if it will get on the agenda,

1278
02:11:31,245 --> 02:11:31,245
then that limits that board member's ability to talk to any of the other supervisors.

1279
02:11:36,600 --> 02:11:36,600
I think it would be great as with

1280
02:11:40,980 --> 02:11:40,980
presentations today where any board member can request a presentation.

1281
02:11:45,315 --> 02:11:45,315
they just can't request action item that we just make it equal across the board,

1282
02:11:51,030 --> 02:11:51,030
that any board member who wants to put an action item on the agenda is able to do that.

1283
02:11:56,085 --> 02:11:56,085
>> in my opinion the fact that this is

1284
02:12:00,525 --> 02:12:00,525
on the agenda as r4 means that you already have that ability to do that.

1285
02:12:06,210 --> 02:12:09,150
you already have that ability to bring forward an item, to put it on the agenda for us to discuss it,

1286
02:12:11,400 --> 02:12:14,955
to put it over there. There's been a couple of times in the past, the one time after we had voted to get rid of dominion voting machines,

1287
02:12:18,225 --> 02:12:21,135
it was put back on the agenda, even though that was done. Again, I'll be real blunt,

1288
02:12:24,510 --> 02:12:24,510
bringing back the whole raise issue that was dead and done and gone in two years ago.

1289
02:12:31,290 --> 02:12:33,270
you just opened up an old wound, and there had been no talk or no desire or

1290
02:12:36,570 --> 02:12:36,570
no need for us to look at raises again. We fixed that.

1291
02:12:41,220 --> 02:12:44,670
it was a problem for 23 years. It should have been fixed along the line. We fixed it one time, we tied it to upic so that in good times we might get 2 or 3%,

1292
02:12:49,650 --> 02:12:52,155
and bad times we might get 0%, it's tied to one of our biggest bargaining units,

1293
02:12:54,870 --> 02:12:57,420
and that was a done deal, and it was over and done with, and now it's right back front and center again.

1294
02:13:00,990 --> 02:13:04,815
I prefer things the way they are right now. Again, I think if you come to me and you want something on the agenda,

1295
02:13:09,690 --> 02:13:11,310
probably nine times out of 10, I'm going to agree with you, and we'll put it on there.

1296
02:13:14,100 --> 02:13:16,185
>> in terms of the raises, I brought that to the board to make a motion,

1297
02:13:18,900 --> 02:13:21,840
and all five of us voted to bring that back. That was a full board discussion and that is

1298
02:13:24,540 --> 02:13:27,690
the part of the process that we have to go through now. If we're not sure that we're going to get

1299
02:13:29,700 --> 02:13:31,860
the chair support or if the chair doesn't support it, then we have to go to that next step of the process.

1300
02:13:34,260 --> 02:13:37,215
I'm saying, let's just cut that out and just say, any one of us can bring it forward and not have

1301
02:13:39,480 --> 02:13:42,825
a single person vetting what the other ones want to bring forward. On the raise issue as you all did,

1302
02:13:47,250 --> 02:13:48,480
if you disagree with me, then we can do that in the public setting versus that decision

1303
02:13:51,690 --> 02:13:55,230
being made in private between the board chair and another board member, where it doesn't even get the light of the public.

1304
02:13:56,865 --> 02:13:59,610
I think that debate and discussion should happen in the context of the public and then the board can vote,

1305
02:14:02,430 --> 02:14:05,055
however it wants to vote, as it will do. >> supervisor long.

1306
02:14:08,990 --> 02:14:11,280
>> lag time. Thank you, chair. I'll weigh in on this.

1307
02:14:13,995 --> 02:14:13,995
my thoughts are that I don't want to burden the board with unnecessary items,

1308
02:14:22,905 --> 02:14:26,535
which could cause our meetings to greatly lengthen, but I also totally appreciate the ability and the need for

1309
02:14:32,745 --> 02:14:35,310
individual supervisors to bring things forward and to have the ability to get things on the agenda.

1310
02:14:40,605 --> 02:14:40,605
I guess what I'm saying out of that is that can be a conversation between

1311
02:14:44,910 --> 02:14:44,910
the chair and the individual board member and if we have a problem,

1312
02:14:49,890 --> 02:14:52,635
I'm not afraid to revisit this down the road. We've got a brand new chair,

1313
02:14:54,525 --> 02:14:54,525
and I think he's going to not be

1314
02:14:59,190 --> 02:15:01,200
too restrictive on what makes it to our agenda if it's important to individual board members.

1315
02:15:04,230 --> 02:15:07,755
it's a wait and see for me. At this time, I think prudence would

1316
02:15:11,610 --> 02:15:11,610
be the need for a conversation as to whether something should go on the agenda or not.

1317
02:15:18,420 --> 02:15:21,390
if we find out that it's being abused and individual board members cannot get things forward,

1318
02:15:24,915 --> 02:15:27,930
then we can address this a couple of months from now so that would be my take on it right now.

1319
02:15:30,345 --> 02:15:30,345
I think the conversation with this chair will be reasonable.

1320
02:15:35,805 --> 02:15:35,805
I think we're going to have to wait and see.

1321
02:15:41,490 --> 02:15:41,490
give it a few months, and we can always bring this back and then address it.

1322
02:15:45,645 --> 02:15:48,480
my take is if we don't have a problem, then there's no need for a solution at this point.

1323
02:15:51,345 --> 02:15:53,955
>> thank you, supervisor long. Appreciate that. Again, my feelings on it right now if it's not broke, don't fix it,

1324
02:15:58,650 --> 02:16:01,500
but we see things on the agenda all the time that this sponsored by supervisor crye or this sponsored by supervisor plummer.

1325
02:16:04,680 --> 02:16:06,900
that means that you wanted something on the agenda, it got put on the agenda and on top of it, you're getting credit for it.

1326
02:16:11,070 --> 02:16:11,070
I think things are fine the way they are and with this current board right here,

1327
02:16:17,295 --> 02:16:17,295
I can't really foresee having too much trouble or somebody undermining or anything

1328
02:16:23,130 --> 02:16:25,650
else I think but for future boards down the road I don't want to put them in that position. Supervisor crye.

1329
02:16:30,060 --> 02:16:30,060
>> I can give a little context to this as well is because years ago,

1330
02:16:34,560 --> 02:16:37,560
I believe, I don't know if it was 10 years ago, but I remember I think I was asking supervisor baugh about this,

1331
02:16:41,760 --> 02:16:44,970
and it was really a supervisor would bring something up that would get voted down for one every meeting, and it would just be on.

1332
02:16:48,300 --> 02:16:48,300
but what really also it does is it creates a lot of extra work for staff having to

1333
02:16:52,920 --> 02:16:52,920
prepare an item that then they have to put on the agenda,

1334
02:16:57,635 --> 02:16:59,150
and it's got to go through county council, and there's a lot of steps that we're avoiding by not doing that.

1335
02:17:02,400 --> 02:17:06,180
lastly, just like I did, and many of us have done in our board reports, if you want something on the agenda,

1336
02:17:07,905 --> 02:17:10,980
you just bring it up in your board report, you get the board to vote on it, just like we'll have the medical school update on the 20th.

1337
02:17:14,895 --> 02:17:16,650
we voted 5-0. That's coming back, so it's on the agenda, and we just got to follow the policy that's already in place.

1338
02:17:20,910 --> 02:17:20,910
>> thank you, supervisor crye. Supervisor long, excuse me.

1339
02:17:26,810 --> 02:17:30,450
>> one last little take on my thought, my perspective on this.

1340
02:17:32,370 --> 02:17:32,370
my goal, and it's been since I started in this position is to streamline operations of

1341
02:17:40,640 --> 02:17:40,640
the board and to deal with things within our jurisdiction and

1342
02:17:45,350 --> 02:17:45,350
things that we can actually control to better conditions for all of us in this community.

1343
02:17:50,700 --> 02:17:50,700
I am afraid that if we just give the absolute right to

1344
02:17:57,960 --> 02:18:01,380
put something on my thing is we have the right to bring forward because we're independently elected supervisors.

1345
02:18:04,965 --> 02:18:04,965
however, I think a discussion as to what is appropriate is in itself appropriate.

1346
02:18:12,645 --> 02:18:12,645
the conversations I like to have or would like to have are,

1347
02:18:17,235 --> 02:18:21,210
are these within our jurisdiction? Can we make a difference? Is this going to make our board twice as long for an unnecessary reason?

1348
02:18:28,650 --> 02:18:28,650
I would like to see our boards strictly business and strictly efficient.

1349
02:18:35,750 --> 02:18:39,240
like I said, I won't reiterate what I already said, but that was the last take that was my thought processed. Thank you.

1350
02:18:43,560 --> 02:18:43,560
>> thank you, supervisor long. Let's go ahead and take a vote.

1351
02:18:47,625 --> 02:18:47,625
I'll make a motion that we just leave things as they are until.

1352
02:18:51,975 --> 02:18:51,975
>> we don't need to.

1353
02:18:57,080 --> 02:18:57,080
>> if you have no intention to direct staff to change it, you don't need to vote.

1354
02:19:02,415 --> 02:19:06,390
>> do we have public comment? >> we do, chair. We have eight speakers. >> let's get all of them up.

1355
02:19:08,040 --> 02:19:10,305
>> first up, don duckett followed by susan weiss, c. Gardner, then dolor sicero.

1356
02:19:12,555 --> 02:19:12,555
if I called your name, please get in queue.

1357
02:19:25,850 --> 02:19:29,460
>> I'm going to throw a curve ball at you and say that I agree with supervisor kelstrom, and crye,

1358
02:19:32,460 --> 02:19:32,460
and long, that if all five of you are able to add things to the agenda,

1359
02:19:37,140 --> 02:19:37,140
what we will then have is chaos and really long meetings.

1360
02:19:41,385 --> 02:19:41,385
by virtue of the fact that this action item right here is on the agenda,

1361
02:19:46,455 --> 02:19:50,310
demonstrates each of your abilities to bring an issue before the board and to have it in the light of day,

1362
02:19:54,600 --> 02:19:58,320
as you said, supervisor plummer. What I would suggest is if in the future,

1363
02:20:01,800 --> 02:20:01,800
the chair blocks a certain action item from being put on the agenda,

1364
02:20:06,615 --> 02:20:06,615
a supervisor can then use his or her time during

1365
02:20:11,010 --> 02:20:13,650
their meeting reports to bring that issue to the light and say that this item was blocked.

1366
02:20:16,860 --> 02:20:19,065
I'd like to see what the rest of the board thinks. That way you're compliant with the brown act but let's not have chaos.

1367
02:20:23,070 --> 02:20:24,720
let's follow the structure. I know it's unfortunate that sometimes

1368
02:20:27,900 --> 02:20:27,900
we have a board majority that doesn't agree with the majority of the public,

1369
02:20:32,040 --> 02:20:35,160
but that's the way the chips fall. I think that things should stay the way they are. Thank you.

1370
02:20:39,150 --> 02:20:40,910
>> thank you. >> my apologies, chair, just one moment.

1371
02:20:43,800 --> 02:20:46,440
next up, susan. Is susan here? Not seeing susan. Christian, come on up.

1372
02:20:54,890 --> 02:20:54,890
>> on the face, this resolution seems like a no brainer.

1373
02:21:01,670 --> 02:21:01,670
each one of you should have the ability to

1374
02:21:05,910 --> 02:21:09,225
bring something to the board that you feel is important. However, I do agree with my supervisor, mr. Long,

1375
02:21:13,320 --> 02:21:13,320
that we've got to figure out a way to streamline these meetings a bit because we've had

1376
02:21:19,935 --> 02:21:23,610
literally hundreds of thousands of dollars discussed in this board room about conversations,

1377
02:21:29,280 --> 02:21:33,210
about election lies, fraud, about kim trails, geez,

1378
02:21:37,650 --> 02:21:37,650
on and on, hours and hours about succeeding from california.

1379
02:21:44,000 --> 02:21:44,000
onward and upward, all of

1380
02:21:48,840 --> 02:21:48,840
this stuff completely out of the jurisdiction of this board period.

1381
02:21:55,040 --> 02:21:55,040
really, can you vote to

1382
02:21:59,715 --> 02:21:59,715
we're going to close the reading airport because of all the kim trails.

1383
02:22:03,720 --> 02:22:03,720
why are we spending probably about $6-7,000 of the board's time?

1384
02:22:12,060 --> 02:22:12,060
all the staff that have to sit here listening to that [inaudible], which is nonsense.

1385
02:22:19,820 --> 02:22:19,820
the last few years,

1386
02:22:25,275 --> 02:22:25,275
this board has sunk into chaos.

1387
02:22:30,920 --> 02:22:30,920
in fact, it's internationally known,

1388
02:22:35,025 --> 02:22:37,470
not just nationally or statewide. It's internationally known.

1389
02:22:40,550 --> 02:22:40,550
if we can figure out how to get something on

1390
02:22:44,610 --> 02:22:48,210
the board and if a supervisor is passionate about an issue, it does make sense to bring it up during a supervisor's report.

1391
02:22:51,345 --> 02:22:54,510
if there's a reason not to, I would hope that another supervisor might go, you know what?

1392
02:22:58,605 --> 02:22:58,605
maybe we shouldn't be discussing kim trails for an hour and a half.

1393
02:23:04,310 --> 02:23:06,690
for god sake's. Maybe we shouldn't be discussing why we need to get rid of covid vaccine.

1394
02:23:13,880 --> 02:23:13,880
we got john who's guarding against

1395
02:23:17,985 --> 02:23:17,985
the jewish needles who are giving everybody the vaccine.

1396
02:23:24,870 --> 02:23:24,870
but on the face,

1397
02:23:31,800 --> 02:23:31,800
I believe each one of you has the same right,

1398
02:23:36,330 --> 02:23:40,110
although the chair has some given authority to be able to present an argument against putting something on the agenda.

1399
02:23:47,160 --> 02:23:51,120
>> next up, dolor sicero, followed by steve khan, benjamin nowin, then kim moore.

1400
02:24:04,780 --> 02:24:04,780
>> I think I'm very disappointed in regarding how this is just going to start again.

1401
02:24:13,400 --> 02:24:13,400
a new year, same old shit.

1402
02:24:17,470 --> 02:24:21,230
my representative is plumber. He was elected by the district 4.

1403
02:24:25,780 --> 02:24:25,780
he was elected by the people for him to be the voice of the people,

1404
02:24:32,180 --> 02:24:35,270
and for the people to be able to have any concerns, to be able to go to plumber and bring any issues to him if there's

1405
02:24:40,100 --> 02:24:40,100
any issues or anything that needs to be brought to the board and put on the agenda.

1406
02:24:46,595 --> 02:24:46,595
you're actually limiting him from his rights to represent the voters like me.

1407
02:24:54,290 --> 02:24:57,080
therefore, you're violating my rights, my voice, by violating his rights to represent me.

1408
02:25:02,360 --> 02:25:02,360
I'm going to use the law to actually file a complaint against you guys,

1409
02:25:07,100 --> 02:25:09,860
because you actually violating his rights, my rights, because you're actually saying, no,

1410
02:25:13,775 --> 02:25:16,535
if you could just bring it to me, he was voted the same way as everybody.

1411
02:25:20,555 --> 02:25:20,555
equal, fairness, and you're taking his rights to actually not represent his district.

1412
02:25:31,565 --> 02:25:33,725
on top of that, you think it's okay to treat him like he's an employee of you,

1413
02:25:41,390 --> 02:25:43,910
and you're his boss to tell him, you can't represent your district.

1414
02:25:45,665 --> 02:25:47,150
you wait for your turn. That's if you get appointed as a chair or vice chair.

1415
02:25:54,770 --> 02:25:56,495
we know you're not going to do that. You're going to make sure that they don't get in there to do that.

1416
02:26:00,185 --> 02:26:02,675
you are violating his rights, my rights, the voters rights,

1417
02:26:05,150 --> 02:26:05,150
so we have a claim to able to file a complaint because you're taking his voice,

1418
02:26:10,250 --> 02:26:13,325
which is my voice, my rights. I'm telling you right now.

1419
02:26:15,650 --> 02:26:19,385
you keep your shit, continue to violate our rights. You're not going to come out looking good in the end,

1420
02:26:22,520 --> 02:26:24,425
and you're not going to be elected. Because you're going to have so many things you're going to have to

1421
02:26:27,770 --> 02:26:31,640
deal with criminal civil rights violations. I ain't going to go well for you,

1422
02:26:33,500 --> 02:26:36,095
chris, because I'll tell you right now. You know I have so many e mails in the past from you.

1423
02:26:39,800 --> 02:26:42,815
I will use everything I have against you, just like we did with laurie freebige.

1424
02:26:45,815 --> 02:26:48,080
we have 1,000 e mails. She has a restraining order against her for three years.

1425
02:26:51,455 --> 02:26:54,845
don't go try and to play that game with us now. >> steve khan, followed by benjamin nowin.

1426
02:26:57,815 --> 02:26:59,720
kim moore, then leslie. If I called your name, please get in queue.

1427
02:27:05,770 --> 02:27:05,770
>> board, community members that are still here.

1428
02:27:10,865 --> 02:27:14,810
I can see both sides of this issue, and I've changed my view on it, I think, while listening.

1429
02:27:16,805 --> 02:27:16,805
if all supervisors were rational, logical people,

1430
02:27:21,710 --> 02:27:21,710
I can see where all of them should have the ability to put something on the agenda.

1431
02:27:26,885 --> 02:27:26,885
unfortunately, that's not the case.

1432
02:27:31,540 --> 02:27:35,540
I guess it's going to be up to the citizens, the community members, and the board members to draw attention when they want

1433
02:27:37,760 --> 02:27:40,850
something put on the agenda when it's not done. I think I'll take that stance currently and address

1434
02:27:44,270 --> 02:27:44,270
it more intensely if that is not the case.

1435
02:27:48,500 --> 02:27:48,500
I hope that you all have the ability to bring something and put something on the agenda,

1436
02:27:54,560 --> 02:27:58,490
and I hope that occurs. If it doesn't, then we'll get more serious about it. But I also see where it can be abused with putting things like

1437
02:28:02,120 --> 02:28:06,050
vapor trails and other things on the agenda frivolously and taking up a bunch of staff time.

1438
02:28:10,190 --> 02:28:12,290
at this point, I'll say, we should watch it closely and if it's not done properly,

1439
02:28:15,590 --> 02:28:15,590
then the community members need to get involved and straighten out the chair. Thank you.

1440
02:28:22,570 --> 02:28:25,880
>> next up, benjamin nowin, followed by kim moore, then leslie. Kim, come on up.

1441
02:28:30,940 --> 02:28:33,980
>> greetings, again, board members. One thing doctor laura hobbs brought it up earlier,

1442
02:28:39,260 --> 02:28:41,480
but it wasn't the appropriate time to talk about it, it is how much is getting clumped into the consent calendar.

1443
02:28:46,250 --> 02:28:49,430
there were some important issues that I would have liked to have been able to speak on the consent calendar.

1444
02:28:52,880 --> 02:28:52,880
I had to use my public time and then you all took a minute of that.

1445
02:28:57,215 --> 02:28:59,210
we're not even at 12:00 yet. I don't think we need to be getting robbed of our time, so I'm just going to say,

1446
02:29:02,420 --> 02:29:05,920
if you guys really want to represent us, get these things on the calendar in order in a manner in which

1447
02:29:10,460 --> 02:29:14,150
that we have the opportunity to [overlapping] >> it's got to be r4. Tied into r4.

1448
02:29:16,280 --> 02:29:18,290
>> how you guys set your calendar, discuss conduct of business before the board of supervisors.

1449
02:29:21,995 --> 02:29:24,140
operation and conduct of business. This is conduct of business.

1450
02:29:26,195 --> 02:29:26,195
when you're putting things like the behavioral health board in a consent item,

1451
02:29:31,190 --> 02:29:33,530
a speaker like myself has to decide, are we going to try to get what we have going on up onto the public [overlapping].

1452
02:29:37,910 --> 02:29:41,795
>> chairman this is related to 1-101 only? >> we have to talk specifically policy 1-101,

1453
02:29:45,950 --> 02:29:49,490
which is whether a single supervisor can put something on the agenda. >> brother. Sorry.

1454
02:29:51,080 --> 02:29:54,680
>> that's all right. Thank you. >> next up, leslie. Chair, this will be our last speaker.

1455
02:30:00,190 --> 02:30:02,330
>> well, matt, you're my supervisor and you brought this up at a meeting.

1456
02:30:06,410 --> 02:30:09,740
then you went and you put out an e mail to the community, and everybody that follows you,

1457
02:30:11,675 --> 02:30:13,130
that in my opinion, was a very divisively worded statement.

1458
02:30:15,815 --> 02:30:19,760
saying that you have been shut down multiple times, you're not getting to represent the people.

1459
02:30:22,715 --> 02:30:25,340
I did what I should do as your constituent, and I reached out to you for examples.

1460
02:30:27,365 --> 02:30:29,630
what I got back was a list of things that I know for a fact because I'm at these meetings,

1461
02:30:31,790 --> 02:30:33,980
I read every one of these agendas, and when I'm not here, I'm watching online.

1462
02:30:37,595 --> 02:30:39,545
I know for a fact, some of the examples you've given me you have not been shut down on,

1463
02:30:42,905 --> 02:30:42,905
and then there are other ones that you did not provide any detail or

1464
02:30:47,150 --> 02:30:47,150
any example on how you were shut down or whatever by who?

1465
02:30:52,355 --> 02:30:53,870
just like kevin said, you can put it into a motion during the thing.

1466
02:30:57,335 --> 02:31:01,115
it is my time. Keep your derangement to yourself. >> quit yelling out from the crowd. That's your first warning.

1467
02:31:03,860 --> 02:31:07,550
>> anyway, I don't need to use this whole time. I just want to say,

1468
02:31:08,945 --> 02:31:12,935
you guys have every avenue to put things on the agenda. It has not been abused.

1469
02:31:15,035 --> 02:31:15,035
>> that's it. I have been removed, please.

1470
02:31:19,840 --> 02:31:22,085
you get one warning. I notify the behavior,

1471
02:31:23,990 --> 02:31:25,865
I get you get one warning and you're gone. You had your warning, you need to leave the meeting.

1472
02:31:35,230 --> 02:31:35,230
>> I'll yield the rest of my time so we can take a recess for a child.

1473
02:31:45,070 --> 02:31:45,070
>> we'll go to recess while we do this. I know.

1474
02:31:56,135 --> 02:31:58,810
coming back from recess. I believe we were discussing r4.

1475
02:32:03,245 --> 02:32:06,305
also, so the public knows, we have an appointment at noon with a caller and for closed session.

1476
02:32:11,915 --> 02:32:11,915
after this item, we will probably be recessing to closed session.

1477
02:32:16,325 --> 02:32:18,650
our form. Supervisor plummer, are you brought this forward, so are you good with it?

1478
02:32:23,890 --> 02:32:23,890
>> I just wanted to make two quick points in closing.

1479
02:32:29,645 --> 02:32:31,430
I won't be making a motion on this, but just to push back

1480
02:32:36,230 --> 02:32:36,230
on some of the thinking there in terms of everyone has an equal chance right now.

1481
02:32:41,135 --> 02:32:41,135
the challenge is two fold in terms of, yes,

1482
02:32:45,170 --> 02:32:48,410
any supervisor can bring it forward and then have a debate or raise it motion in the context of their supervisor report.

1483
02:32:52,630 --> 02:32:55,780
the challenge is two things. One is a timeline thing, and the second is that when that is brought up,

1484
02:32:58,990 --> 02:33:00,205
there can't be any discussion. It's really just say your statement,

1485
02:33:03,340 --> 02:33:06,400
and then if it's something that's new or different or not something that the rest of the supervisors have been engaged with,

1486
02:33:10,060 --> 02:33:12,520
then they're making their decision on whether to hear it on the basis of essentially one line.

1487
02:33:15,680 --> 02:33:19,610
that's one of the challenges. The second one is a timing thing is that if you bring something to a chair or you propose something,

1488
02:33:24,335 --> 02:33:27,080
and then you wait a week or two to hear if it's approved by the chair and then if it's not,

1489
02:33:30,350 --> 02:33:33,050
then you look for the next meeting, and then you make a motion in that meeting,

1490
02:33:34,670 --> 02:33:34,670
which you have to have two weeks ahead in order to be on the next agenda,

1491
02:33:41,180 --> 02:33:43,130
which this already pass, for the next meeting, so you're waiting then a month.

1492
02:33:45,740 --> 02:33:49,025
you could lose three, four meetings in between.

1493
02:33:50,855 --> 02:33:53,495
that was my reasoning on it. I think in terms of the last thing I'll say,

1494
02:33:56,000 --> 02:33:59,560
and then, I'm good to move on is, while I might not agree with other supervisors at times,

1495
02:34:05,495 --> 02:34:05,495
I believe each supervisor should have the right,

1496
02:34:11,630 --> 02:34:13,475
even if I disagree with it to bring it forward, and I trust them to bring for things that they think are important,

1497
02:34:17,600 --> 02:34:20,210
whether or not I think they are important or not. That would be my stance. I know,

1498
02:34:22,250 --> 02:34:24,020
some people are saying, we'll, be abused. Well, that's their right to abuse that if they want,

1499
02:34:26,900 --> 02:34:28,415
and then the voters can, hold them accountable for that if they choose. That's my last thought.

1500
02:34:32,385 --> 02:34:34,805
>> I mean, I think under the current rules that we have now, the only time that it would be drug out four or five weeks is if you were to say,

1501
02:34:40,175 --> 02:34:42,980
in this instance, myself, if you were to bring something to me, and I said, no, I don't want that on the agenda.

1502
02:34:45,125 --> 02:34:47,720
then you'd have to bring it to your board report, and that would cause some delays. But I think on the next agenda,

1503
02:34:49,550 --> 02:34:52,325
there's something that you wanted to brought forward, and it was mentioned to me and I said, go ahead and put it on the agenda.

1504
02:34:53,840 --> 02:34:53,840
I say that we just leave it as it is until there's a problem,

1505
02:34:57,890 --> 02:35:00,030
if there's a problem, we'll bring it back. Absolutely. Superson.

1506
02:35:04,780 --> 02:35:04,780
>> thank you, chair. I just wanted to add one additional thing

1507
02:35:09,350 --> 02:35:13,160
based on some public comment about the law and the lack of representation for a supervisor if they're not able to.

1508
02:35:21,410 --> 02:35:24,530
we follow rosenberg's rule of order, and under rosenberg, it says that the chair can make the decision to agenda as an item.

1509
02:35:31,115 --> 02:35:34,250
actually, the ceo can agenda as an item as well, or you can get a board vote a majority vote.

1510
02:35:39,770 --> 02:35:42,395
those are the three ways to get things agendized. If we were to get into that,

1511
02:35:44,300 --> 02:35:44,300
we are following the law and the representation.

1512
02:35:48,350 --> 02:35:49,520
if we were to do that, we would have to actually suspend rosenberg.

1513
02:35:52,640 --> 02:35:55,550
for all the other reasons I already said, I think this chair will not block any of

1514
02:35:59,870 --> 02:35:59,870
us getting things that are that are important to us from our jurisdiction.

1515
02:36:05,555 --> 02:36:08,960
>> when you say this chair, did you ever feel blocked last year, allen? >> no, I'm just talking.

1516
02:36:10,865 --> 02:36:12,995
>> I just wanted to make sure. >> no. That's not a dig.

1517
02:36:15,830 --> 02:36:17,330
>> perfect. Thank you. >> with this chair, I believe we are not going to have a problem here.

1518
02:36:25,640 --> 02:36:28,460
I'm not prepared to suspend rosenberg, which we do follow, even though it's somewhat loosely,

1519
02:36:31,040 --> 02:36:31,040
but there are different mechanisms to get something on and if we have a problem,

1520
02:36:35,705 --> 02:36:39,500
we'll address it a couple of months down the road. That's all I have to say. >> thank you supervisor long. I appreciate that. Supervisor [overlapping]

1521
02:36:41,750 --> 02:36:44,300
>> I just want to make sure I. >> there's no action taken on this.

1522
02:36:45,890 --> 02:36:48,905
we're just going to leave it a so that there's no need to do a vote. We are going to go into closed session.

1523
02:36:51,620 --> 02:36:53,210
it's estimated to be an hour. I will say we will not be back before 12: 30.

1524
02:36:55,730 --> 02:36:57,245
>> chair? >> yes. >> we do have public comment on one closed session item.

1525
02:36:59,900 --> 02:37:03,395
we don't have any requests to speak for item r8 or r10, but for r9, we do have two speakers,

1526
02:37:05,705 --> 02:37:05,705
gardner and dolores lucero. Please come on up.

1527
02:37:31,900 --> 02:37:31,900
>> regarding r9, specifically,

1528
02:37:36,665 --> 02:37:36,665
the listing that I was wondering about is it doesn't give the case name.

1529
02:37:43,775 --> 02:37:43,775
if the case has been filed and there's a record of it down at the court,

1530
02:37:50,000 --> 02:37:53,885
you should be able to release that case name. It's important to have those case names because we need to

1531
02:37:57,620 --> 02:38:01,175
understand what you guys are talking about. It'd be also, I think,

1532
02:38:03,335 --> 02:38:03,335
interesting that after you came out, besides the report,

1533
02:38:08,945 --> 02:38:11,540
action was taken, action was not taken on a particular item under litigation or possible litigation.

1534
02:38:18,280 --> 02:38:18,280
it'd be really interesting to know who voted what on that.

1535
02:38:23,990 --> 02:38:27,170
I think that people need to know. I don't know if that's a conflict of interest problem or not.

1536
02:38:32,330 --> 02:38:32,330
but I have a feeling that there are times when issues are brought

1537
02:38:37,175 --> 02:38:37,175
about litigation before the board, that it's divided.

1538
02:38:42,260 --> 02:38:45,170
some people are going one way and some people are going another way. I don't know. We won't know until that's reported out.

1539
02:38:48,965 --> 02:38:48,965
but so I don't know who we're even talking about.

1540
02:38:55,640 --> 02:38:55,640
I do know that laura hobbs is suing once again,

1541
02:39:01,070 --> 02:39:04,070
down in third district. Is this about that? Or I do know that ex supervisor jones,

1542
02:39:09,245 --> 02:39:11,720
one of hobbs' compadres, is also suing. What for?

1543
02:39:13,775 --> 02:39:16,400
57 million? 50. Wow. I'm not too sure if that's what's being reported on here or not.

1544
02:39:23,810 --> 02:39:23,810
nevertheless, I think the public needs to know what the board decides to defend against.

1545
02:39:33,140 --> 02:39:36,860
I think the public should be told if we ask what council's going to be representing the supervisors?

1546
02:39:44,570 --> 02:39:44,570
the only way I can get that information is going to the court house.

1547
02:39:50,560 --> 02:39:54,515
if that's what it takes, we'll do that. Please think about if there are conflicts of interest in reporting out,

1548
02:40:02,180 --> 02:40:04,910
[background] we should be told that. No, we can't talk about the case.

1549
02:40:07,760 --> 02:40:07,760
but if the case is already filed and there's a case number assigned to it,

1550
02:40:12,575 --> 02:40:15,010
I do believe you can. That's my question on that.

1551
02:40:19,990 --> 02:40:22,490
>> next up, dloors lucero, and chair, this will be our last speaker.

1552
02:40:24,935 --> 02:40:24,935
>> we know one potential case is patrick jones.

1553
02:40:31,040 --> 02:40:34,085
that case is actually was vacated. I went in to the website.

1554
02:40:35,990 --> 02:40:35,990
there's two dates on their settlement conference or to actually move forward.

1555
02:40:41,210 --> 02:40:43,040
it's been vacated. Therefore, they probably said, there's nothing here.

1556
02:40:46,070 --> 02:40:48,500
you need to go back and start all over. If that's what the case is and is planning to come to the board,

1557
02:40:52,985 --> 02:40:55,070
you have to recuse yourself, chris, and kevin and corky.

1558
02:40:57,620 --> 02:41:01,370
therefore, there wouldn't be no votes to even approve this or to put it on the agenda item just so you'll be aware.

1559
02:41:05,570 --> 02:41:07,760
if you put it on there, I'm telling you you will be the first one,

1560
02:41:10,160 --> 02:41:13,250
I'm going to let you know that you will be committing the biggest crime because you grew up with patrick jones since he was 7-years-old.

1561
02:41:18,395 --> 02:41:21,965
therefore, it will be a conflict of interest for you to sit or even be behind closed doors in closed session regarding this case.

1562
02:41:25,790 --> 02:41:28,580
because patrick jones, when he claims to say that the da district attorney actually misused the funds,

1563
02:41:33,500 --> 02:41:37,010
and she did things in her [overlapping] she was at works. It is mr. Attorney,

1564
02:41:41,105 --> 02:41:41,105
it is a potential case and that's what that is the case, the potential case.

1565
02:41:46,040 --> 02:41:49,865
are you trying to override my freedom of speech? >> potential case doesn't say.

1566
02:41:51,470 --> 02:41:51,470
it doesn't say what is it.

1567
02:41:55,850 --> 02:41:58,145
therefore, I am assuming. >> it says anticipated litigation.

1568
02:42:00,665 --> 02:42:02,990
his already in litigation. This is not anticipated.

1569
02:42:07,780 --> 02:42:07,780
>> therefore it is the possibility.

1570
02:42:16,840 --> 02:42:19,850
>> mr. Chairman, we have to cut this off. It's not on the agenda.

1571
02:42:21,140 --> 02:42:21,140
>> you are going to try to violate constitution freedom of speech. I dare you.

1572
02:42:27,830 --> 02:42:27,830
>> the patrick jones case is not what we're discussing in closed session.

1573
02:42:32,030 --> 02:42:32,030
>> you should put in here what potential case is about.

1574
02:42:36,210 --> 02:42:36,210
because he just bias me my constitution freedom of speech,

1575
02:42:41,130 --> 02:42:44,110
telling you to stop me from speaking. I dare you can't let him do that because you will find yourself

1576
02:42:47,030 --> 02:42:50,405
in the lawsuit and I'm cling to file a lawsuit. This is just going to be one of us.

1577
02:42:52,550 --> 02:42:52,550
but I'm telling you, I'm sick of you guys for violating our constitution right.

1578
02:42:57,125 --> 02:42:57,125
right now, it was okay for what today to speak about patrick jones

1579
02:43:01,760 --> 02:43:01,760
saying $56 million and I'm speaking of the same thing.

1580
02:43:06,250 --> 02:43:09,200
how dare. See? This is discrimination. Being biased who can speak and who can say what?

1581
02:43:13,570 --> 02:43:15,890
>> this is not about patrick jones. >> I did say that.

1582
02:43:18,470 --> 02:43:18,470
mr. Garner said patrick jones.

1583
02:43:25,900 --> 02:43:29,090
>> chair, this was our last speaker. >> with that, we will recess in the closed session.

1584
02:43:32,570 --> 02:43:36,550
we will not be back before 12:30. >> just for members of the public,

1585
02:43:38,660 --> 02:43:42,395
we do clear the chambers during recess. I could ask you to please leave until we reconvene.

1586
02:43:49,630 --> 02:43:49,630
>> waiting on you, kevin. Coming back from closed session,

1587
02:43:55,595 --> 02:43:55,595
larmer, do we have any reportable action? Counsel larmour.

1588
02:44:01,280 --> 02:44:04,100
>> no reportable action. >> we'll move on to r5.

1589
02:44:07,100 --> 02:44:09,980
discuss the board of supervisors and elected department heads, cost of living increases and consider providing direction to staff.

1590
02:44:13,385 --> 02:44:16,250
this is another item that you had on here, supervisor plummer. Did you want to start?

1591
02:44:20,680 --> 02:44:23,480
>> actually, I don't think this is my item. I think supervisor c in relation to the previous conversation,

1592
02:44:28,100 --> 02:44:28,100
wanted to have further discussion around elected inclusive of the board of supervisors.

1593
02:44:33,170 --> 02:44:35,915
>> do we comment on this item? >> chair, just to clarify, a motion was made and seconded by supervisor plummer and cry to direct staff to

1594
02:44:39,410 --> 02:44:39,410
bring back an item on a future agenda to discuss this, so that's why it's on here.

1595
02:44:43,970 --> 02:44:47,960
>> do we have public comments? >> just one moment. Let me take a look. Yes, we have seven speakers chair.

1596
02:44:50,045 --> 02:44:52,520
>> you guys all right, getting public comment now. >> do we want to have a discussion before?

1597
02:44:55,390 --> 02:44:57,650
>> you go ahead. >> sorry. That was the speaker used to the new buttons.

1598
02:45:03,365 --> 02:45:07,190
>> no one's in queue. Let's go ahead and take to public comment. >> first up, gardner, followed by dolor sicero,

1599
02:45:08,480 --> 02:45:09,890
steve k, then laura hobbs. If I called your name, please get in queue.

1600
02:45:30,070 --> 02:45:30,070
>> this r5, once again, should be a no brainer.

1601
02:45:35,585 --> 02:45:35,585
I say that because even elected department heads like yourselves,

1602
02:45:41,300 --> 02:45:41,300
or curtis should be entitled to a cost of living increase.

1603
02:45:49,355 --> 02:45:49,355
but it also should be tied to the workers of this county get paid.

1604
02:45:57,730 --> 02:45:57,730
you guys are no more important than the guy that fixes the pothole on my street.

1605
02:46:05,135 --> 02:46:05,135
all valuable employees, shasta county.

1606
02:46:10,190 --> 02:46:13,925
r5, really, I think, it'd be a really good idea to

1607
02:46:17,270 --> 02:46:17,270
tie your salary increases or curtis's or any department head,

1608
02:46:24,380 --> 02:46:24,380
and we've got a lot of people that run the county that do an awful good job

1609
02:46:28,820 --> 02:46:28,820
to tie that to a sustainable living wage,

1610
02:46:35,345 --> 02:46:37,145
and it would be very important that one group of people aren't seen as more important, more valuable,

1611
02:46:45,755 --> 02:46:48,620
thus deserving more money, than the guys and the women who actually keep this county going,

1612
02:46:54,305 --> 02:46:56,390
who do the hard work, who don't get reimbursement,

1613
02:46:58,520 --> 02:46:58,520
who often, some of them have to work two different jobs,

1614
02:47:02,735 --> 02:47:02,735
who are losing healthcare.

1615
02:47:07,780 --> 02:47:07,780
this county needs to develop a reputation of paying people well,

1616
02:47:16,870 --> 02:47:19,790
and doing a little bit more than handing out the wonderful gifts that you hand out every supervisor's meeting.

1617
02:47:26,020 --> 02:47:26,020
because we're facing some real tough times.

1618
02:47:31,300 --> 02:47:31,300
when you have county workers who are on food stamps, which,

1619
02:47:36,110 --> 02:47:36,110
by the way, or are having to get obama care.

1620
02:47:43,865 --> 02:47:43,865
which got cut? You guys are going to have to figure out how to direct

1621
02:47:50,180 --> 02:47:53,390
money to the people that run and actually run and do the work with the county besides yourselves.

1622
02:47:59,050 --> 02:48:02,705
>> chair, I do want to make a correction. I apologize. I was looking at the wrong motion.

1623
02:48:04,190 --> 02:48:06,275
supervisor plummer is 100% correct. A motion was made and seconded at the december 16th meeting by supervisor crye and

1624
02:48:11,480 --> 02:48:14,330
supervisor long to bring this item back for options to move elected officials into one block for discussion.

1625
02:48:18,880 --> 02:48:22,520
next up, delores, followed by steve khan, laura hops, the jenny.

1626
02:48:25,870 --> 02:48:25,870
>> I want to know when you're going to start doing the right thing chris.

1627
02:48:31,940 --> 02:48:34,070
your item 5 here, r 5 elected department head of departments or whatever.

1628
02:48:41,435 --> 02:48:44,600
who is those head departments? Is that include the ceo, attorney?

1629
02:48:48,605 --> 02:48:48,605
is that going to include them to get the increase of living costs?

1630
02:48:55,430 --> 02:48:58,280
is that where it's all going to go to or it's just going to be some employees of the county?

1631
02:49:01,595 --> 02:49:03,710
are there going to be included, or is that a separate thing?

1632
02:49:06,005 --> 02:49:08,750
because it doesn't say, really. It just says elected departments.

1633
02:49:11,675 --> 02:49:15,440
they're in the department. But what department? You don't basically clarify it.

1634
02:49:21,850 --> 02:49:21,850
you know how it is to be in a tight budget.

1635
02:49:27,110 --> 02:49:27,110
you yourself said you were going broke at one time.

1636
02:49:31,115 --> 02:49:31,115
you know what it is to be in a tight budget and live off a certain amount of money.

1637
02:49:37,130 --> 02:49:37,130
when you take and you give raises to others,

1638
02:49:41,525 --> 02:49:45,425
like those guys who don't deserve the money, like those employees who've been in working for a long time

1639
02:49:49,130 --> 02:49:49,130
here for a long time and those are the ones you depend on,

1640
02:49:53,180 --> 02:49:53,180
those are the ones who deserve to be given the raise.

1641
02:49:57,440 --> 02:49:57,440
but not people who you actually just want to keep on giving money to give them,

1642
02:50:05,255 --> 02:50:05,255
say, thank you for doing what I ask you to do a kickbacks.

1643
02:50:09,635 --> 02:50:13,270
because we the people, it's our money, but you're making the stupid decision sometimes you have been in the past,

1644
02:50:17,830 --> 02:50:19,615
and you continue to do the same thing. You're going to just actually follow kevin crye footsteps.

1645
02:50:23,290 --> 02:50:23,290
what's going to change from you being on that seat?

1646
02:50:27,815 --> 02:50:30,245
from what I understand, your decisions that you made,

1647
02:50:32,090 --> 02:50:32,090
even behind closed doors and you made them in text,

1648
02:50:37,025 --> 02:50:39,920
you don't make good decisions. How are you going to make decisions for the county and for the people?

1649
02:50:46,420 --> 02:50:48,890
I don't get it. Why do you have to be kevin crye puppet and then you got corky over here,

1650
02:50:54,830 --> 02:50:57,830
who doesn't even know what he's voting on? You have to treat him like a little kid and explain to

1651
02:51:01,070 --> 02:51:04,025
him what you're voting on because that's what he is. Like a little kid, he doesn't know what he's doing. I'm being honest.

1652
02:51:08,555 --> 02:51:10,430
that's being straightforward. Not being trying to be mean. That's honest.

1653
02:51:14,000 --> 02:51:17,885
you can't blame somebody who wants to be honest. I'm being honest.

1654
02:51:19,370 --> 02:51:22,925
it's embarrassing to have him as vice chair. >> next up, steve khan,

1655
02:51:24,935 --> 02:51:27,965
followed by laura hobbs, jenny, then noda short. I see, steve. Laura, come on up.

1656
02:51:34,480 --> 02:51:37,010
>> good afternoon, board. On r4.

1657
02:51:38,795 --> 02:51:38,795
this was initially brought up right before christmas.

1658
02:51:42,890 --> 02:51:46,040
it was in the consent calendar item, I believe it was c16 and c17.

1659
02:51:48,485 --> 02:51:51,410
>> we are on r5 now. >> yes. It's r5 now, but previously it was consent calendar r17.

1660
02:51:56,000 --> 02:51:59,770
>> c17. >> c17. Thank you. Basically, I'm opposed to this because what's happening in the city right

1661
02:52:05,450 --> 02:52:05,450
now is the city government gave too much money to the employees,

1662
02:52:10,220 --> 02:52:10,220
and especially to the ceos, the executive folks.

1663
02:52:14,660 --> 02:52:14,660
now, one barry tibbins retired when his salary was nearly half a million dollars,

1664
02:52:23,465 --> 02:52:23,465
and he's going to get that for years and years in his retirement.

1665
02:52:27,650 --> 02:52:29,240
we have a serious problem now, the city's not able to cover basic functions,

1666
02:52:33,140 --> 02:52:33,140
and they're looking at what they can cut to balance their budget.

1667
02:52:38,480 --> 02:52:42,290
I'm concerned that this very same thing can happen in the county's budget if we do not maintain

1668
02:52:46,115 --> 02:52:49,160
executive salaries at a reasonable level that's comparable to the medium income of the residents here in shasta county.

1669
02:52:54,080 --> 02:52:55,160
maybe a little bit higher, but not much; 100,000 is plenty good.

1670
02:52:58,445 --> 02:52:58,445
we don't need to be talking about 200,000 300,000 $400,000 salaries.

1671
02:53:04,130 --> 02:53:07,805
these are way out of proportion to shasta county, the people who live here and work here.

1672
02:53:10,160 --> 02:53:14,090
honestly, for taxpayers to be paying that kind of salary, it's a slap in the face. That's not free money.

1673
02:53:18,380 --> 02:53:20,450
that's money that comes from the taxpayers, it comes from our property taxes.

1674
02:53:23,045 --> 02:53:23,045
I really urge you not to increase executive salaries.

1675
02:53:29,740 --> 02:53:33,065
even if you go ahead and do it now in rubber stamp, which I argue against doing that.

1676
02:53:36,365 --> 02:53:39,290
even if it doesn't affect you in your upcoming election, if it doesn't affect you in the next year,

1677
02:53:41,225 --> 02:53:43,925
it will affect this county in the long term. It might be a year down the road, two years,

1678
02:53:46,100 --> 02:53:47,375
three years down the road, but it's going to be a bad decision for this county overall.

1679
02:53:50,900 --> 02:53:50,900
please do not support this. Thank you.

1680
02:53:55,115 --> 02:53:57,950
>> next up is jenny, but I'm not seeing jenny, so followed by noda short,

1681
02:54:00,080 --> 02:54:02,980
and then chair this will be our last speaker. >> good morning, chair kelstrom and members of the board, noda short.

1682
02:54:07,520 --> 02:54:07,520
I would like to respectfully share some notes that I had on the topic,

1683
02:54:13,175 --> 02:54:13,175
specifically tying elected department heads to the board of supervisors.

1684
02:54:17,765 --> 02:54:20,600
I had some thoughts on that that I wanted to share. In my opinion, it's more appropriate to group all department heads together

1685
02:54:23,690 --> 02:54:27,080
elected and appointed because when you're discussing colas, the duties, responsibilities, and time commitments correspond

1686
02:54:29,900 --> 02:54:33,065
directly to what the functions are of those offices. For example, all department heads lead to manage an entire department on a daily basis,

1687
02:54:37,400 --> 02:54:40,490
including training staff, preparing performance evaluations, hiring, addressing disciplinary issues,

1688
02:54:42,665 --> 02:54:45,290
providing leadership and working 40-50 hours or more as is needed to keep that department running.

1689
02:54:48,380 --> 02:54:51,620
I'm not sure that people are aware, but currently, elected department heads are already at a disadvantage

1690
02:54:53,840 --> 02:54:56,495
from appointed department heads for a few reasons. Department heads who have come up through the ranks,

1691
02:54:59,000 --> 02:55:01,550
elected department heads who come up through the ranks do not receive an additional 5% compensation for longevity.

1692
02:55:04,115 --> 02:55:06,830
that's something that appointed department heads do get. Elected department heads receive the equivalent pay for

1693
02:55:09,500 --> 02:55:12,950
40 hours of admin leave where appointeds receive 80 hours. Elected department heads receive no extra stipends.

1694
02:55:16,085 --> 02:55:19,520
appointed department heads can receive stipends for education, certificates, dual roles, and other compaction issues.

1695
02:55:23,495 --> 02:55:23,495
elected department heads incur additional costs due to election every four years,

1696
02:55:27,800 --> 02:55:30,530
and appointed department heads obviously don't have that. Elected department heads do not receive vacation or sick leave accruals that may

1697
02:55:33,860 --> 02:55:33,860
later be converted to retirement service credit,

1698
02:55:37,865 --> 02:55:40,670
where appointed department heads have that. Elected department heads have personal liability and

1699
02:55:43,370 --> 02:55:45,965
culpability for all the actions of their department. I want to be clear. I'm not advocating for anything more for any elected department head.

1700
02:55:50,000 --> 02:55:51,815
I think they're adequately compensated. I'm not advocating for any more compensation for them.

1701
02:55:54,740 --> 02:55:56,600
we're currently tied to the unrepresented management group in terms of colas, annual colas,

1702
02:56:02,270 --> 02:56:04,580
which I think is appropriate for what we do, and it will keep us in line because I think if you tie us with other groups,

1703
02:56:08,165 --> 02:56:10,535
it's going to make that disadvantage. The inequity is going to be even greater.

1704
02:56:12,575 --> 02:56:16,565
the other thing is, as I look at, like, elected salaries. We're in the top.

1705
02:56:17,960 --> 02:56:20,255
if you look at all of the department heads, there are four of the six electeds that are in the bottom five of salaries.

1706
02:56:26,045 --> 02:56:29,060
the two, like, the sheriff and the da are more towards the top, but all the rest of the electeds are already at the bottom and the bottom 5.

1707
02:56:32,600 --> 02:56:35,420
I just want to share that information for your consideration as you're making decisions about who you tie elected department heads to. Thank you.

1708
02:56:39,485 --> 02:56:39,485
>> thank you, molda. No more public speakers?

1709
02:56:45,610 --> 02:56:45,610
kevin, I'm sorry.

1710
02:56:53,290 --> 02:56:53,290
>> molda, could I bring you back up?

1711
02:56:58,750 --> 02:56:58,750
>> the way I see r5 is that the prior board,

1712
02:57:04,925 --> 02:57:08,060
not our board, but the board prior, voted to tie board of supervisor raises to whatever upec got,

1713
02:57:13,415 --> 02:57:17,405
so that we would never fall behind, again, like it happened for many years. We would never get ahead. We're not treated any better,

1714
02:57:21,470 --> 02:57:21,470
any worse, just staying current with whatever that flow is for upec.

1715
02:57:26,030 --> 02:57:29,585
I think the question of bringing this back was, do we tie ourselves to

1716
02:57:31,250 --> 02:57:31,250
other elected department heads who fall on unrepresented management?

1717
02:57:37,700 --> 02:57:39,530
do we tie to that benchmark, or do we tie to the upec benchmark

1718
02:57:42,920 --> 02:57:42,920
for purposes of keeping the board of supervisors just on par,

1719
02:57:47,570 --> 02:57:50,230
not getting ahead, not falling behind. The pass board tied us to upec directly.

1720
02:57:55,670 --> 02:57:59,495
we're following whatever they get. I wanted to clarify,

1721
02:58:01,985 --> 02:58:05,030
is your recommendation that it should be better tied with board of supervisors and elected officials.

1722
02:58:08,900 --> 02:58:08,900
or should the board of supervisors be better tied to unrepresented management,

1723
02:58:15,500 --> 02:58:15,500
or are they better tied to upec like it currently exists?

1724
02:58:20,210 --> 02:58:22,535
my only thought on that was, and I've thought a lot about this,

1725
02:58:24,725 --> 02:58:24,725
when you tie to upec like the former board tied us to,

1726
02:58:29,930 --> 02:58:33,905
then it's a full on negotiation process. It's not like some of

1727
02:58:35,870 --> 02:58:38,120
the unrepresented management or the department heads that just they get whatever they get.

1728
02:58:41,360 --> 02:58:41,360
tying a board of supervisor salary cola

1729
02:58:46,970 --> 02:58:46,970
to a full on negotiation process that weighs a little in favor of me.

1730
02:58:55,160 --> 02:58:56,600
but I'm just curious. I couldn't quite understand which group

1731
02:58:59,420 --> 02:59:02,915
you're recommending that we tie to or how that be. >> I'm not making a recommendation as to the board of supervisors colas at all.

1732
02:59:07,400 --> 02:59:09,110
what I'm recommending is that the elected department heads don't get pulled in with whatever

1733
02:59:13,000 --> 02:59:15,730
you're considering for the vote for supervisors and that you leave the elected department heads where they are,

1734
02:59:18,560 --> 02:59:20,375
and that's a different consideration. >> in summary, that would be then that you are of the opinion that

1735
02:59:25,040 --> 02:59:25,040
we should be tied as the prior board did to upec through negotiation.

1736
02:59:30,960 --> 02:59:33,805
>> I'm not making any recommendation on that. I do see there's a lot of different sides to that,

1737
02:59:36,820 --> 02:59:38,530
which is outside of what I do, but the fact that the board's voting on their own rights.

1738
02:59:41,615 --> 02:59:43,055
there's a lot of different things out there. I'm not weighing in on a board of supervisors cla at all.

1739
02:59:48,760 --> 02:59:48,760
>> I think the purpose of bringing this back for discussion was to figure out whether

1740
02:59:54,110 --> 02:59:54,110
board of supervisors are tied to unrepresented management elected head officials,

1741
02:59:58,880 --> 03:00:02,825
that group, or do we stay with the upec group which the prior board set up to make sure that it's on parity.

1742
03:00:08,380 --> 03:00:10,460
>> I'm not again, not making a recommendation on the board of supervisors.

1743
03:00:12,470 --> 03:00:14,000
there's been a lot of discussions. Some of them are to put it in the charter,

1744
03:00:16,880 --> 03:00:20,270
the board of supervisors get 1%. There's been other things out there. That's a discussion for you guys to have as far

1745
03:00:22,880 --> 03:00:26,105
as what we should do with the board of supervisors and that cola. But I'm not weighing in on what I think is the best for that group.

1746
03:00:29,735 --> 03:00:31,235
>> thank you. >> thank you, supervisors long. Supervisor crye.

1747
03:00:34,010 --> 03:00:37,940
>> thank you, chair. Allen or supervisor long, you're exactly right. That was the reason why I talked about bringing it back,

1748
03:00:41,240 --> 03:00:41,240
because I didn't disagree with supervisor plummer's thought about,

1749
03:00:49,870 --> 03:00:53,300
the initial beginning of that about not voting on the raise and stuff like that, tying it to upec.

1750
03:00:56,225 --> 03:00:57,620
there could be some conflict there. Maybe you don't give upec a raise or you do because it's tied to the board.

1751
03:01:01,325 --> 03:01:03,620
it's more about optics, really. Really, this discussion item is really just and I

1752
03:01:06,830 --> 03:01:09,500
had we all received an e mail, I believe. Did you send it to everybody or just me?

1753
03:01:11,744 --> 03:01:12,920
>> you and sam. >> I appreciated that. I've had a lot of conversations.

1754
03:01:16,595 --> 03:01:18,200
the one thing that's really tough about electeds, is electeds have the benefit of their elected. It's four years.

1755
03:01:23,480 --> 03:01:26,900
they're their own boss. You know, they can come and go as they want. We have some electeds that, and I'll just say it.

1756
03:01:30,140 --> 03:01:33,935
norda is the first car here and oftentimes the last car to leave. Joe larmour isn't far behind in getting here

1757
03:01:37,190 --> 03:01:37,190
in the morning and you could see because her car's orange, so it sticks out.

1758
03:01:41,500 --> 03:01:43,610
she works extremely hard. Not all electeds work the same.

1759
03:01:46,480 --> 03:01:46,480
I really wanted the conversation more about how can we just put this to bed?

1760
03:01:50,510 --> 03:01:52,650
I thought we put this to bed two years ago. Here we are again. I think it's very relevant

1761
03:01:56,500 --> 03:01:56,500
because it shouldn't happen in 20 years where it hasn't been raised,

1762
03:02:01,270 --> 03:02:02,470
or there's been no cost of living, or else it's going to be what has happened in rub bluff or tama county,

1763
03:02:05,630 --> 03:02:09,550
where there just hasn't been anything, and it's like $1,200. From a discussion standpoint,

1764
03:02:12,080 --> 03:02:12,080
one of the things I thought would be maybe if you did take the bottom four,

1765
03:02:21,350 --> 03:02:22,490
I don't want to say bottom four, but that's how miss show categorized them,

1766
03:02:25,460 --> 03:02:26,870
which would be, I believe the treasurer, the rov, the assessor recorder and the auditor.

1767
03:02:33,410 --> 03:02:37,250
those four, maybe they're grouping, and then public safety is different. I don't know. But again, it's just we have to tie ours to

1768
03:02:39,980 --> 03:02:43,220
something and I don't think we should be voting on it. I also don't think going to a charter in

1769
03:02:47,030 --> 03:02:47,030
that direction is necessarily the way to do that,

1770
03:02:51,110 --> 03:02:53,360
either, because people do serve up here and they do have cost of living adjustments that should be made.

1771
03:02:56,810 --> 03:03:00,350
I don't think the board or any elected official should take any raise if every single person doesn't get that.

1772
03:03:04,565 --> 03:03:07,655
if it's a zero base year, then nobody gets a cost of living increase.

1773
03:03:10,535 --> 03:03:12,875
>> I totally agree. I think it's problematic when the board votes on

1774
03:03:15,860 --> 03:03:19,520
their own raises because that's a conflict. What happened, and this is why I was so torn on the subject

1775
03:03:22,490 --> 03:03:25,700
because what happened with 22 years, 23 years of making decisions not to keep them relevant currently to modern standard.

1776
03:03:33,155 --> 03:03:33,155
that caused a really bad reaction and what happened from that point on,

1777
03:03:39,305 --> 03:03:42,410
the prayer board, they tied it to upec, so that you would never get ahead of upec,

1778
03:03:44,330 --> 03:03:45,800
you would never fall behind upec. You would get whatever upec gets.

1779
03:03:48,365 --> 03:03:48,365
I had a problem with that in the sense that we negotiate and we decide what upec gets.

1780
03:03:56,600 --> 03:03:59,750
why wouldn't we give them 10%? We get 10% of ourselves. But I think that's not the way it goes,

1781
03:04:02,825 --> 03:04:04,820
and we're going to negotiate in good faith, and the voters ultimately will hold us accountable for however we vote,

1782
03:04:09,755 --> 03:04:09,755
as far as holding upec to wherever I'm just using them as an example.

1783
03:04:14,900 --> 03:04:14,900
but I think we have to be tied to some index so that we don't fall behind again.

1784
03:04:21,695 --> 03:04:23,735
I think this discussion is, which group do we want to tie ourselves to

1785
03:04:26,285 --> 03:04:29,675
and we're just along for the ride, however that looks. Actually, I think I'm in favor of just leaving it with tied to whatever you upec gets,

1786
03:04:37,400 --> 03:04:41,090
just because that involves a full negotiation process, which I think there's a tremendous benefit

1787
03:04:42,800 --> 03:04:44,540
in that because there's a lot of give and take, and it's not something that just happens.

1788
03:04:47,870 --> 03:04:47,870
>> I'll tell you, and that was led by patrick jones and patrick jones,

1789
03:04:51,995 --> 03:04:51,995
to be one of the last things he did is

1790
03:04:57,230 --> 03:05:00,680
to who's extremely fiscally conservative wanted to write what he saw as a 20 plus year wrong.

1791
03:05:05,015 --> 03:05:05,015
I don't necessarily feel really strongly one way or the other.

1792
03:05:09,020 --> 03:05:09,020
the reason I wanted to bring it back is I wanted to have the discussion here.

1793
03:05:13,960 --> 03:05:16,370
I'm not overly. >> well, I think what we're going to see is,

1794
03:05:18,770 --> 03:05:21,590
and I know there's been discussion here from the public, and I've been listening to that.

1795
03:05:23,675 --> 03:05:27,380
what is coming forward will be no more, no less than upec for going in for the january.

1796
03:05:32,120 --> 03:05:36,110
>> had it been tied to upac 25 years ago, we would have not been. >> [overlapping] we wouldn't have this discussion. We wouldn't have this problem. That's where

1797
03:05:40,820 --> 03:05:44,630
I think that we don't deserve more than anybody else. We don't deserve less than anybody else.

1798
03:05:46,100 --> 03:05:46,100
we should keep it for all the reasons I've already talked about.

1799
03:05:50,435 --> 03:05:53,015
but that having been said, I think the prior board had to make very hard decisions on this matter,

1800
03:05:58,565 --> 03:06:01,875
and they tied it into upec. I didn't quite understand it at the time that it was happening.

1801
03:06:05,105 --> 03:06:07,370
but now, in reflection, I've come to see that there is a benefit to

1802
03:06:10,490 --> 03:06:10,490
the board never getting to ever decide their own raises again.

1803
03:06:14,825 --> 03:06:14,825
that will be decided by whatever upec gets,

1804
03:06:18,860 --> 03:06:21,590
and we'll never get ahead or behind. I'm in favor of just leaving this alone and not tying us to a new group,

1805
03:06:28,295 --> 03:06:30,470
which would be unrepresented. We have to be tied to some group.

1806
03:06:32,800 --> 03:06:35,975
I'm in favor of just leaving it alone. >> thank you, supervisor long, ceo [inaudible] u and q.

1807
03:06:41,170 --> 03:06:44,810
>> sorry for the delay. The system seems a little bit slow today. Normally, I don't weigh on issues,

1808
03:06:46,580 --> 03:06:49,130
but I do have a unique background and experience as a 22 year county white elected official,

1809
03:06:52,355 --> 03:06:52,355
and I just want to essentially echo the comments made by noda short.

1810
03:06:57,650 --> 03:06:57,650
we have a very professional core of elected department heads and

1811
03:07:01,745 --> 03:07:01,745
having a cola established so we don't get into a situation where we fall behind.

1812
03:07:07,430 --> 03:07:08,705
I'm not saying the board is doing that. I just want to make the public aware and others

1813
03:07:12,050 --> 03:07:15,800
aware that there's a value to making sure we maintain at least a minimum standard of payment for the services provided and

1814
03:07:19,700 --> 03:07:21,560
recognize the professionalism and the level of work we're getting out of these elected department heads.

1815
03:07:23,975 --> 03:07:27,740
it's very important to remember that. That's my comment. Thank you. >> thank you, ceo. Supervisor harmon.

1816
03:07:30,290 --> 03:07:32,980
>> he just took care of that. >> is there any more discussion, more board discussion.

1817
03:07:37,520 --> 03:07:37,520
did you want to make a motion on for supervisor long?

1818
03:07:46,530 --> 03:07:46,530
>> I would make a motion that we leave everything as

1819
03:07:52,345 --> 03:07:52,345
is currently in place with regard to board of supervisor raises,

1820
03:07:58,105 --> 03:07:58,105
being tied to whatever upec gets and

1821
03:08:03,695 --> 03:08:03,695
leaving elected department head and board of supervisors alone, not altering that.

1822
03:08:10,115 --> 03:08:10,115
>> mr. Chairman, if you have no new direction to staff,

1823
03:08:14,495 --> 03:08:14,495
you don't need to make a motion or take a vote.

1824
03:08:19,690 --> 03:08:23,315
>> are we all right with moving on to r6? R6, adopt a salary resolution effective january 11, 2026,

1825
03:08:27,740 --> 03:08:31,550
which amends the shasta county salary schedule to implement cost of living increases for the board of

1826
03:08:33,890 --> 03:08:33,890
supervisors in accordance with the shasta county personnel rules. Miss fugitt.

1827
03:08:38,330 --> 03:08:41,330
>> thank you, chair and counsel. Members of the board, monic fugitt, director of support services,

1828
03:08:42,815 --> 03:08:45,590
coming on the tail of the other items we've heard today. As you're aware, the board voted to

1829
03:08:48,035 --> 03:08:51,575
approve the cost of living increases for the upec group. As was noted, the board of supervisors is tied to the upec group.

1830
03:08:55,610 --> 03:08:58,460
this salary resolution would just implement the same cost of living increases that those groups receive.

1831
03:09:01,535 --> 03:09:03,290
the board could decide to approve or decline to approve the salary resolution at this time,

1832
03:09:05,750 --> 03:09:08,830
so I'm happy to take any questions. >> any questions for the board?

1833
03:09:11,105 --> 03:09:13,280
do we have public comment on this item? >> yes, chair, give me just one moment.

1834
03:09:22,300 --> 03:09:22,300
first, gardner, followed by dolores lucero, then steve khan.

1835
03:09:26,765 --> 03:09:26,765
if I called your name, please get in queue.

1836
03:09:36,790 --> 03:09:36,790
next up, dolores lucero, come on down.

1837
03:09:41,380 --> 03:09:41,380
steve khan, come on up.

1838
03:10:01,360 --> 03:10:01,360
>> good afternoon. I thought chair you said that this wouldn't be resumed until 1:30.

1839
03:10:09,350 --> 03:10:10,640
I'll review it and see, but that's why I missed my comment time and it's not 1:30 yet.

1840
03:10:16,655 --> 03:10:16,655
but anyway, I'm sorry, the shrug was.

1841
03:10:22,280 --> 03:10:24,770
>> I said it was 12:30. >> that's correct.

1842
03:10:26,435 --> 03:10:29,690
>> I'll review it. Anyway, this regards raises to the board,

1843
03:10:32,210 --> 03:10:32,210
and there's no way in the world they should be paid what they already are at the 90,000.

1844
03:10:39,560 --> 03:10:42,800
I know you incorporated raises automatically into it and all that, and there's justification for that being made.

1845
03:10:45,980 --> 03:10:45,980
but I would just urge the public to listen

1846
03:10:50,510 --> 03:10:50,510
to what the different supervisors are stating they did in between meetings,

1847
03:10:57,275 --> 03:10:57,275
and then decide whether they really feel that that is worth

1848
03:11:01,520 --> 03:11:01,520
$90,000 a year along with increases every year.

1849
03:11:06,500 --> 03:11:06,500
I'm just urging the public to get involved because it's ridiculous.

1850
03:11:10,625 --> 03:11:13,055
>> next up, laura hobbs followed by antonia, then christopher enriquez.

1851
03:11:21,790 --> 03:11:23,915
laura come on up. >> I thought she wanted to go first.

1852
03:11:28,150 --> 03:11:28,150
you guys just recently got your salaries bumped to 88,000 or whatnot.

1853
03:11:33,500 --> 03:11:37,280
that was just last year, cost of living increase. If anything, it might have gone down since trump took office,

1854
03:11:41,120 --> 03:11:44,810
so I would recommend that you do not vote for cost of living increase for the board of supervisors at this time. Thank you.

1855
03:11:48,995 --> 03:11:50,570
>> next up, antonia, followed by christopher enriquez.

1856
03:11:56,560 --> 03:12:00,370
>> good afternoon, board. We do not need to be verbally abusive or threatening to be mailing you.

1857
03:12:07,505 --> 03:12:10,175
it all falls back on that person, and blackmailing threatening is corruption.

1858
03:12:14,615 --> 03:12:14,615
I just want to express my why I disapprove a raise for the board.

1859
03:12:22,565 --> 03:12:22,565
it should be approved by the citizens because it's our money

1860
03:12:26,915 --> 03:12:26,915
that will fund these pay raises. Thank you.

1861
03:12:32,410 --> 03:12:35,135
>> next up, christopher enriquez, and chair this will be our last speaker.

1862
03:12:41,620 --> 03:12:41,620
>> good afternoon, board. I just want to state

1863
03:12:46,370 --> 03:12:46,370
that I don't agree with the amount you're actually being paid.

1864
03:12:50,450 --> 03:12:52,895
but at the same time, I think your decision in r5 to go along with tying

1865
03:12:57,050 --> 03:12:57,050
your cost of living raises with the upec is actually a good decision.

1866
03:13:02,165 --> 03:13:02,165
it allows you to receive cost of living increases without setting that limit yourselves,

1867
03:13:09,980 --> 03:13:09,980
either 3%, 4%, and then the union not getting the same thing.

1868
03:13:15,940 --> 03:13:15,940
that's just my stand. Thank you.

1869
03:13:20,500 --> 03:13:23,650
>> that was the last speaker. Do we need anything r6? I'm sorry. Supervisor bomber.

1870
03:13:33,880 --> 03:13:36,365
>> yes, just briefly, I'm not going to support this to be consistent

1871
03:13:39,200 --> 03:13:42,485
with the issues I raised at the last meeting, which is that I think ultimately the people should decide

1872
03:13:46,970 --> 03:13:46,970
the supervisor pay and increases and that there is a conflict of interest.

1873
03:13:51,965 --> 03:13:53,720
also, I just want to note that, even though we are tied by ordinance to upec general bargaining,

1874
03:13:59,900 --> 03:14:03,695
that doesn't prevent the supervisors in any way from changing that or giving themselves any additional raise at this time.

1875
03:14:08,255 --> 03:14:08,255
I do want to note that.

1876
03:14:12,630 --> 03:14:14,680
>> supervisor, crye. >> thank you, chair.

1877
03:14:17,040 --> 03:14:20,230
>> matt, what's the alternative? Is it a political stunt?

1878
03:14:22,090 --> 03:14:22,090
because if you have an alternative, I want to hear it because I don't disagree with you.

1879
03:14:26,530 --> 03:14:26,530
but it looks great to be the lone dissenting vote for one.

1880
03:14:32,110 --> 03:14:34,945
hey, you know what? I've listened to you blander on. >> that's your first warning.

1881
03:14:36,670 --> 03:14:40,240
>> my thing is, bring a solution, because I want to support it. I talked to the sheriff a little bit about it,

1882
03:14:46,045 --> 03:14:49,380
and I talked to noda extensively about it, and it's very different.

1883
03:14:51,330 --> 03:14:53,655
they have departments, often, the auditor, I'm guessing the assessor.

1884
03:14:56,535 --> 03:14:59,740
laurie scott's been here since the year I was born, literally 1976, so I don't know who comes after that.

1885
03:15:03,100 --> 03:15:03,100
but a lot of times those department heads do come up through the ranks,

1886
03:15:07,375 --> 03:15:10,600
not necessarily the sheriff, not necessarily always the da. But when it comes to the board of supervisors, I don't disagree,

1887
03:15:15,160 --> 03:15:17,710
but I'm not going to have you vote for one and have the rest of us as if we're just a bunch of money grubbing, whatever.

1888
03:15:20,515 --> 03:15:20,515
we're trying to protect, I think the office and making sure that this isn't dealt with.

1889
03:15:26,035 --> 03:15:29,740
chris and I, especially, probably chris thought this wasn't going to be an issue because this was killed two years ago, and I didn't like it then.

1890
03:15:33,070 --> 03:15:36,325
if you have a solution, bring a solution and I'll support it. Who do we tie it to? Well, I think coin flip?

1891
03:15:38,800 --> 03:15:38,800
>> no, I thought I brought a solution in the last meeting,

1892
03:15:42,835 --> 03:15:45,160
and ultimately, that wasn't supported. >> because that's solely political.

1893
03:15:47,305 --> 03:15:51,250
if you're talking about that [overlapping] >> you're inferring [overlapping] >> if it's going to go to the voters though,

1894
03:15:52,705 --> 03:15:56,410
check this out, because I just saw this poll yesterday. Alaska's got a republican governor, senator.

1895
03:16:00,700 --> 03:16:03,340
everything's republican, and yet 76% of that state says they do not like the direction of the state.

1896
03:16:06,160 --> 03:16:07,630
yet it's like republican, republican, republican, but yet, if you talk about,

1897
03:16:10,240 --> 03:16:14,110
there's never going to be any support for a cost of living increase for an elected official for any of them, and I don't blame that.

1898
03:16:18,160 --> 03:16:21,070
>> well, in the proposal that would have been in the amendment, there was a cost of living built into that of 1%.

1899
03:16:25,035 --> 03:16:27,495
the idea wasn't that we would never get a raise again, it would be that it was a small and moderate raise.

1900
03:16:30,520 --> 03:16:30,520
I was open to debate about whether that 1% is correct or 1.5 or two,

1901
03:16:35,410 --> 03:16:39,355
I think we could have a good conversation about that. >> let's have it now, because I want to put this to bed.

1902
03:16:40,735 --> 03:16:42,430
seriously, if it's 1%, but I'm saying it doesn't have to be a county charter.

1903
03:16:45,835 --> 03:16:49,795
it doesn't have to be this symbolic. >> it's not symbolic, and this is the difference between the other elected officials.

1904
03:16:52,510 --> 03:16:56,125
we decide the colas for the other elected officials. They're not deciding it themselves.

1905
03:16:58,150 --> 03:17:01,960
we currently decide our own pay, and that's what I'm trying to change. Is that we don't decide our own pay.

1906
03:17:04,315 --> 03:17:08,275
it's not symbolic, it's on the principle, as we talked about last time. That's why I'm saying the only way,

1907
03:17:10,915 --> 03:17:13,495
my understanding, unless you have other ways of doing this, to make it such that we don't decide our own pay

1908
03:17:17,155 --> 03:17:21,040
is to put it forth through a charter amendment so that the voters get to decide. If it's not the voters,

1909
03:17:22,300 --> 03:17:25,470
who else can decide what our pay is? >> what we'll do is we will,

1910
03:17:28,885 --> 03:17:30,670
I don't know what term I want to use, but we'll just hose the five district representatives in this county in perpetuity,

1911
03:17:36,895 --> 03:17:40,165
like has happened in tehama. That's exactly what will happen. The easy political thing to be to be, yeah, put it to the voters,

1912
03:17:43,270 --> 03:17:45,175
and the voters will never vote for it again, and then it'll be like tama county in 30 years.

1913
03:17:47,815 --> 03:17:47,815
my thought is, that's why I said if we tied it to the other electeds,

1914
03:17:52,300 --> 03:17:55,855
maybe we say, look, all the electeds get 1% a year or whatever that looks like. I get impaction, and I get noda

1915
03:17:58,780 --> 03:18:01,990
doesn't want her assistant auditor controller making more than her. Then I gave her the argument.

1916
03:18:03,250 --> 03:18:06,460
they said, well, you're an elected official, don't go into work for a week if you don't want. It's up to you. You get four years to do whatever you want.

1917
03:18:09,010 --> 03:18:11,650
there are some pros and cons to being an elected official, but then that comes down to

1918
03:18:13,330 --> 03:18:16,090
obviously the integrity and character of a person holds in office. That's why noda is here.

1919
03:18:19,410 --> 03:18:21,580
it's 30 am. >> supervisor plummer, this option has been used one time in the last 25 years.

1920
03:18:26,290 --> 03:18:28,405
it's not like this is a weekly thing, we're planning on doing next year, the year after that.

1921
03:18:30,745 --> 03:18:33,925
we fixed it. After 25 years of it not being fixed, we fixed it, we took the hit. We got it fix.

1922
03:18:36,250 --> 03:18:39,850
we tied it to upe so future boards don't have to worry about this 25 years from now when the 85,000 is not a livable wage in 2050.

1923
03:18:45,550 --> 03:18:45,550
but so there is no talk about voting for another raise. I understand.

1924
03:18:52,300 --> 03:18:54,760
I wouldn't be opposed to that, but again, I don't want to mess somebody that's running for office 30 years from now,

1925
03:19:00,220 --> 03:19:03,520
go on, I can't afford to take that job. >> well, two things. One, and I think this goes back to our earlier conversation

1926
03:19:08,305 --> 03:19:08,305
around board members having the chance to bring it forward.

1927
03:19:12,850 --> 03:19:12,850
to me, I don't think we should make rules that we are like,

1928
03:19:17,455 --> 03:19:20,965
well, if somebody does take advantage of that, they could, but if there's a way to do a better rule,

1929
03:19:23,515 --> 03:19:27,505
which in my opinion, in both cases, I think we could have gone to a better rule, even though we don't necessarily have existing abuses right now.

1930
03:19:32,065 --> 03:19:33,955
I think the same thing here. On principle, I don't think we should be able to decide or pay.

1931
03:19:36,655 --> 03:19:39,610
we can build in the cola into the charter amendment, and we could have discussion about what that right number is.

1932
03:19:42,865 --> 03:19:45,940
I put 1%, which I explained why, in the last one, and I'm happy to repeat that but I think the principle is the same of,

1933
03:19:52,390 --> 03:19:55,255
let's set it up so that we think it's the right way to do it, not in a way where we're like, well,

1934
03:19:56,680 --> 03:19:58,390
we don't really agree with the way it's done, but we don't think any of the five of us will abuse it.

1935
03:20:01,990 --> 03:20:03,775
the last thing I'll say is that, all of us ran for supervisor before these raises were passed,

1936
03:20:11,305 --> 03:20:11,305
and so all of us made the decision based on that pay,

1937
03:20:15,580 --> 03:20:18,505
which is dating back 20-years-old. The same thing in tama county, when I talked to them,

1938
03:20:22,105 --> 03:20:22,105
they ran, and there's a lot of variation in terms of age,

1939
03:20:26,455 --> 03:20:28,195
I talked about this last time. I see that as a theoretical concern,

1940
03:20:30,520 --> 03:20:30,520
but it hasn't impacted the group of the five of us and whoever we ran against,

1941
03:20:34,795 --> 03:20:34,795
and it hasn't impacted the tama county supervisors as well,

1942
03:20:39,190 --> 03:20:39,190
who I would regard as high quality and dedicated to their work.

1943
03:20:43,810 --> 03:20:45,820
I think that is a theoretical concern, but one we can build a cola into the charter amendment and two,

1944
03:20:49,075 --> 03:20:52,570
we're not actually seeing that play out that it's dissuading people from different socioeconomic brackets from running.

1945
03:20:57,430 --> 03:20:57,430
>> well, I don't necessarily disagree with you,

1946
03:21:02,740 --> 03:21:02,740
but basically, my feelings on this thing is we fixed it two years ago. It's fixed.

1947
03:21:07,360 --> 03:21:10,690
it's really not an issue if it were to become an issue in the future, if ten years from now,

1948
03:21:12,580 --> 03:21:14,590
if this board was completely turned around, and all of a sudden they're voting themselves raise after raise after raise,

1949
03:21:17,290 --> 03:21:19,705
after raise, there'd be enough outrage in the public. We have shown the ability in this county that you can recall a sitting supervisor,

1950
03:21:23,590 --> 03:21:26,815
so we've done that before, and I think that would be the avenue to go down. As far as I'm concerned, this has been fixed.

1951
03:21:28,900 --> 03:21:32,800
this was fixed two years ago. There's no need to continue to try to fix it. I think it is fixed, and we don't have a problem right now.

1952
03:21:35,320 --> 03:21:37,900
the way it is, and until we do have a problem, I'd say, went to address it then.

1953
03:21:39,865 --> 03:21:41,260
>> can I ask you one question? >> absolutely. >> I'm sorry. Supervisor plummer,

1954
03:21:48,985 --> 03:21:48,985
so your charter amendment would be you're just saying a 1% every year, is that correct?

1955
03:21:56,185 --> 03:21:57,490
>> correct. >> that doesn't have to be a charter amendment, is that correct, joe?

1956
03:22:03,000 --> 03:22:05,650
that's where I feel like it's political posture. If you say 1%,

1957
03:22:07,330 --> 03:22:11,110
dude, if you want to make a motion to say, we get 1% a year, and it's revisited in 20 years, like 1%, fine.

1958
03:22:14,905 --> 03:22:18,145
>> well, the primary goal is to get out of the hands of the supervisors. I don't know any other way to do that

1959
03:22:19,660 --> 03:22:22,840
because if we were to pass an ordinance today that said, we're going to lock in 1% for the next 20 years,

1960
03:22:25,585 --> 03:22:28,315
we could, in six months, go back and change that. That's the challenge. Unless there's another vehicle that I'm not aware of,

1961
03:22:31,870 --> 03:22:31,870
there's no way for us to actually take it out of our hands,

1962
03:22:36,115 --> 03:22:39,910
and that's what I'm trying to achieve. >> but it's the tough work of we're making decisions for other people that will sit up here in 20 years.

1963
03:22:42,625 --> 03:22:45,010
when you go upstairs in the third floor and you look in the hallway and half those supervisors from the 80s or have passed on,

1964
03:22:48,175 --> 03:22:51,760
you look at that and you realize it's like, hey, we are going to make decisions that are going to affect people that we may never meet or know.

1965
03:22:54,085 --> 03:22:54,085
my thing is, I don't think that doing it

1966
03:22:58,690 --> 03:22:58,690
that way is going to serve the people that sit up here well. It's just not.

1967
03:23:02,905 --> 03:23:02,905
it's going to be a fix that's going to feel good for right now,

1968
03:23:07,930 --> 03:23:11,380
but it's not going to help people in the future because it'll never increase, it'll never change, and we know that.

1969
03:23:13,240 --> 03:23:15,670
it wasn't a popular vote. Granted, I voted against it,

1970
03:23:17,710 --> 03:23:17,710
but I don't blame supervisor kelstrom jones or garmin for supporting it.

1971
03:23:21,895 --> 03:23:24,820
if you want to make a substitute motion of a 1%, I'd be on board for a 1%.

1972
03:23:26,680 --> 03:23:26,680
>> now, us changing what the cola is does not achieve what I'm trying to achieve,

1973
03:23:33,180 --> 03:23:35,580
which is to take it out of the hands of supervisors. I was ready to just go along with it.

1974
03:23:41,730 --> 03:23:41,730
by which I mean, vote no and have this move on because I know that

1975
03:23:46,020 --> 03:23:48,570
the board majority felt a different way coming out of the last december meeting, so I'm fine with that.

1976
03:23:51,135 --> 03:23:53,670
>> board majority, you talked about [overlapping] >> I'm talking about four, there was more, yeah

1977
03:23:56,160 --> 03:23:59,640
>> can I throw a number in here? >> absolutely. >> I just looked up on my phone,

1978
03:24:02,970 --> 03:24:02,970
what $1 was worth in 2002 to $1 in 2025, and it's 1.78.

1979
03:24:11,280 --> 03:24:11,280
that would translate, if it had just kept up with colas,

1980
03:24:15,705 --> 03:24:17,715
over these 23 years, it would be $94,000 a year, which is close.

1981
03:24:26,730 --> 03:24:26,730
it should be higher than what it is currently given standard cost of living raises,

1982
03:24:34,830 --> 03:24:37,815
which is tied to inflation. I think also, it was determined by our support services director, monica fugitt,

1983
03:24:46,165 --> 03:24:49,705
that she did all the same thing you would do with every other employee group to figure out based on salary comparisons where it should be.

1984
03:24:57,460 --> 03:24:57,460
I think it's by a couple of different measures,

1985
03:25:01,600 --> 03:25:01,600
had those colas gone into effect in 2002,

1986
03:25:06,235 --> 03:25:09,130
that would be about the equivalent, or maybe the board's salary would be even higher than it currently is.

1987
03:25:16,195 --> 03:25:16,195
I just think it's gotten to where it is right now,

1988
03:25:21,130 --> 03:25:24,190
and I think we need to protect the position for all the reasons I've stated and the integrity of the position,

1989
03:25:27,670 --> 03:25:31,540
and that has to be benchmarked to something. I don't like the idea of the board voting themselves raises.

1990
03:25:36,070 --> 03:25:38,470
that was not my board. They took care of the problem,

1991
03:25:40,450 --> 03:25:40,450
but they put into place a measure which does not allow

1992
03:25:47,650 --> 03:25:47,650
the board supervisors to ever either fall

1993
03:25:52,090 --> 03:25:52,090
behind or to ever get ahead of other labor groups.

1994
03:25:58,560 --> 03:25:58,560
we can talk about a 1% all day long,

1995
03:26:03,160 --> 03:26:05,890
but that's an arbitrary number in my opinion, and it's going to cause disparity along the way.

1996
03:26:08,875 --> 03:26:08,875
I just want no future board to ever face this problem again, so that's it.

1997
03:26:16,975 --> 03:26:16,975
>> counsel, larmour, if we don't change anything, do we need a motion?

1998
03:26:21,070 --> 03:26:23,200
do we need to make a motion to go through this or if we just leave it status quo as it is?

1999
03:26:26,440 --> 03:26:26,440
>> now, you're asking here to approve a resolution,

2000
03:26:30,610 --> 03:26:33,985
you either need to approve it or decline? >> tying it to upec. >> no. That's not. The only thing that you're doing here is

2001
03:26:38,410 --> 03:26:38,410
either approving this resolution with the cost of living increase or not,

2002
03:26:42,925 --> 03:26:46,135
not what unit it's tied to or not tied to? >> this cost of living increase

2003
03:26:48,310 --> 03:26:48,310
is for more people than just the board of supervisors, is that correct?

2004
03:26:52,765 --> 03:26:54,850
>> it's based on the unit you're tied to, so you get what the unit that you're tied to gets.

2005
03:26:59,350 --> 03:27:02,050
>> chris, so my understanding is this item is only to increase the board of supervisors pay

2006
03:27:05,200 --> 03:27:05,200
by a cumulative 4% starting on the next pay period, january 11th.

2007
03:27:10,300 --> 03:27:10,300
>> but I think an important clarification for that is to understand the dynamics, so,

2008
03:27:16,465 --> 03:27:20,365
upec went out of contract end of last year, they've been out of contract this entire year.

2009
03:27:23,605 --> 03:27:23,605
they were told that there would never be any retroactive pay,

2010
03:27:28,525 --> 03:27:31,720
so the period between january and december, there is no recovery of that.

2011
03:27:33,670 --> 03:27:35,515
the county saved money on that. But if they came to a contract agreement,

2012
03:27:40,000 --> 03:27:42,940
which they're doing or they've done, by the end of year 2025,

2013
03:27:45,895 --> 03:27:49,240
they got the 2% that could have gone into effect, should have gone into effect in january.

2014
03:27:51,070 --> 03:27:51,070
however, it was stayed because they were out of contract and not coming to an agreement.

2015
03:27:56,965 --> 03:27:59,920
it was stayed, so they're getting the 2% for that, and then january of '26,

2016
03:28:02,410 --> 03:28:05,635
this month, they're eligible for another 2%. To say that the board is getting a 4%,

2017
03:28:08,425 --> 03:28:11,470
it's not completely clear how that's worked, because we are tied to upec,

2018
03:28:13,270 --> 03:28:13,270
and upec has got a 2% for all of '25,

2019
03:28:17,920 --> 03:28:21,325
and they've got a 2% that's coming in january of 2026. That is 2+2 = 4,

2020
03:28:23,995 --> 03:28:26,230
that's not a 4% raise. The board is tied directly to upec, and therefore,

2021
03:28:31,525 --> 03:28:33,640
the board is just along for the ride, and they're getting the same package that upec general got.

2022
03:28:39,150 --> 03:28:39,150
>> well, I will entertain a motion.

2023
03:28:50,400 --> 03:28:54,310
>> I will make a motion that we approve [overlapping] >> r6.

2024
03:28:54,865 --> 03:28:54,865
>> r6, let me see if I can find that again.

2025
03:29:02,430 --> 03:29:02,430
to amend the shasta county salary schedule to implement cost of

2026
03:29:07,900 --> 03:29:10,360
living increases for the board of supervisors in accordance with shasta county personnel rules 39.21.

2027
03:29:14,860 --> 03:29:18,610
>> just included in your motion just for clarification, to also adopt the salary resolution, effective january 11?

2028
03:29:21,850 --> 03:29:21,850
>> I would amend to adopt the salary resolution, also.

2029
03:29:27,160 --> 03:29:30,390
>> I'll second that motion. >> you want to talk about that or?

2030
03:29:36,810 --> 03:29:36,810
I'm sorry, I just I was whispering to him,

2031
03:29:40,930 --> 03:29:43,900
telling him I don't like this. I don't think this is right, and so in the air of transparency,

2032
03:29:47,140 --> 03:29:47,140
I just wanted to ask him.

2033
03:29:57,660 --> 03:30:00,460
>> whether or not it would pass, ultimately, that would be the public's decision.

2034
03:30:03,085 --> 03:30:03,085
I think my read on the public is that they want to be the ones to have to say,

2035
03:30:09,550 --> 03:30:12,490
and so I think this would give them that. >> you've supported the sales tax, which lost.

2036
03:30:16,255 --> 03:30:19,885
god, I think you're brilliant. >> supervisor crye. >> I'm sorry.

2037
03:30:20,680 --> 03:30:20,680
>> I think I've made the points I'm going to make on this,

2038
03:30:28,360 --> 03:30:30,460
so I don't think I need further discussion, so I'm prepared to vote.

2039
03:30:32,605 --> 03:30:35,785
>> shall we take a roll call starting from my left? >> sure. Supervisor long.

2040
03:30:40,680 --> 03:30:43,990
>> yes. >> supervisor harmon. >> yes. >> supervisor kelstrom.

2041
03:30:45,055 --> 03:30:47,830
>> yes. >> supervisor crye. >> abstain. >> supervisor plummer.

2042
03:30:49,705 --> 03:30:50,920
>> no. >> passes 3-1 with one abstention. Thank you.

2043
03:30:55,870 --> 03:30:58,030
moving on to r7. County clerk of elections. We're going to take the following actions.

2044
03:31:01,030 --> 03:31:02,590
receive a presentation concerning county clerk elections office plans for public outreach,

2045
03:31:05,305 --> 03:31:07,450
voter education, and observation. Activities. Adopt a resolution approving participation in community events and

2046
03:31:11,590 --> 03:31:11,590
the purchase of nominal items for voter education and outreach activities.

2047
03:31:15,925 --> 03:31:19,570
adjust the clerk elections fees for electronic elections, reports voter file, presently $68,

2048
03:31:22,900 --> 03:31:25,765
and the electronic elections reports vote by mail. Data, presently $0.50 per 1000 names,

2049
03:31:28,330 --> 03:31:32,080
approximately $56 for full data. Be set at $5 for calendar year 2026 to promote citizen oversight of the election process,

2050
03:31:36,610 --> 03:31:37,900
and number 4, consider providing direction to staff. Mr. Kurtz.

2051
03:31:42,375 --> 03:31:42,375
>> thank you, gentlemen. Good to see you. Just hang on.

2052
03:31:46,460 --> 03:31:49,805
>> or just a minute. >> there it goes. There it goes. >> there you go. >> essentially, it all comes together with what I've been doing

2053
03:31:53,660 --> 03:31:56,900
to bring the public in because for so long, the public been pushed aside,

2054
03:31:58,400 --> 03:31:59,750
put behind spiked walls, and treated poorly, really.

2055
03:32:02,540 --> 03:32:06,425
I've got more than one season to try and get these things together, and it is working in our last election.

2056
03:32:10,940 --> 03:32:10,940
even people that are disruptive here were not disruptive at the election.

2057
03:32:15,455 --> 03:32:18,005
everything was smooth. We had nothing. We didn't have to hire security.

2058
03:32:20,465 --> 03:32:20,465
the things I'm trying to do to keep the public involved and to give them

2059
03:32:24,950 --> 03:32:24,950
the maximum amount of oversight over elections is working and is actually saving money.

2060
03:32:30,710 --> 03:32:33,140
it's not really a cost. The reduction of the voter file.

2061
03:32:38,525 --> 03:32:41,900
essentially, we're going to be collecting that anyway. There is a I don't know if we're paying attention to what

2062
03:32:44,720 --> 03:32:48,035
doj is doing with the whole voter roll issue. So far, they're suing alameda,

2063
03:32:51,155 --> 03:32:53,920
la, san lucis, orange county, kern riverside, fresno, and santa clara is probably going to do it

2064
03:32:57,010 --> 03:33:00,625
after their dibl machines just crashed and burned in the last election. They're probably going to have the same problem.

2065
03:33:02,290 --> 03:33:02,290
but what we're going to do is to bring all those files that we're talking about into

2066
03:33:08,390 --> 03:33:08,390
a folder every week so that we have an absolute basis of what the voter file looks like.

2067
03:33:15,065 --> 03:33:15,065
along with whatever reports or whatever changes we want,

2068
03:33:19,220 --> 03:33:22,190
because we don't actually get to change anything, the secretary of state does it. But we'll tell them what it is, and we'll have that.

2069
03:33:24,905 --> 03:33:28,625
then if it isn't done, it isn't shasta county's problem. It's the secretary of state's problem because we've done the work,

2070
03:33:31,415 --> 03:33:32,825
we have the documentation. What that also gives us is the ability to

2071
03:33:36,650 --> 03:33:36,650
provide these files to the citizens so they can actually watch the department,

2072
03:33:41,990 --> 03:33:44,075
which is what we want them to do. Public outreach is part of that.

2073
03:33:47,090 --> 03:33:47,090
the public outreach previous to me was I considered a little odd.

2074
03:33:52,325 --> 03:33:52,325
they went to pride festival every year,

2075
03:33:56,360 --> 03:33:59,735
but they never went to christmas, and they never went to 4th of july. How does an election office not go 4th july?

2076
03:34:02,645 --> 03:34:04,610
my request was to go to christmas. I was told we couldn't, so I had to do it by myself.

2077
03:34:07,550 --> 03:34:07,550
but it actually produces more impact with

2078
03:34:12,380 --> 03:34:12,380
the public and the ability to get them to come in and to sign up to be poll watchers,

2079
03:34:18,770 --> 03:34:22,055
sign up to be volunteers, when you engage the public. Our big expense that,

2080
03:34:24,395 --> 03:34:24,395
I'm here to ask you for are actually the little flags that we give out to people,

2081
03:34:28,790 --> 03:34:31,760
including school kids, when we do these shows for them, and their 11 cents a piece.

2082
03:34:33,980 --> 03:34:37,880
>> my understanding is you've bought those in the past. The ones that you're holding there you've already bought.

2083
03:34:39,950 --> 03:34:41,270
>> we did. >> I'm not sure why we need an amendment because you had the ability to buy them before.

2084
03:34:46,130 --> 03:34:48,770
I was told you have the ability to buy them in the future. Like I talked to you on the phone,

2085
03:34:50,630 --> 03:34:50,630
I would have rather had this say small flags rather than nominal items.

2086
03:34:55,070 --> 03:34:56,645
that leaves the door open, and, you know, that wasn't changing here.

2087
03:34:59,435 --> 03:35:03,080
then, again, I was told that you've already got the ability to buy those little flags. What is this resolution in here?

2088
03:35:06,335 --> 03:35:06,335
>> we had to request the flags because they are items that are not normally handed out.

2089
03:35:12,275 --> 03:35:15,125
we had to request them for our initial, I think it was for fourth of july.

2090
03:35:18,020 --> 03:35:19,625
>> you were granted that request? >> then I requested them a second time to do christmas parade and ongoing,

2091
03:35:23,555 --> 03:35:26,200
and I was told we couldn't have them. This resolution is essentially to tie

2092
03:35:29,240 --> 03:35:32,390
together that I can go to the events that we want to go to, which are all of them.

2093
03:35:34,265 --> 03:35:34,265
there's a new bill just passed ab 14 11, which says that,

2094
03:35:38,435 --> 03:35:41,150
we need to do maximum outreach and report to secretary of state and go through this whole process.

2095
03:35:44,840 --> 03:35:47,285
but that also makes it a mandate, which means we might be able to throw these costs back on the state.

2096
03:35:50,900 --> 03:35:54,110
they can buy these elevenths and flags. We want to approve the resolution to go to the community events,

2097
03:35:57,170 --> 03:35:57,170
and to buy nominal items for voter outreach.

2098
03:36:03,850 --> 03:36:03,850
basically, the importance with the voter files,

2099
03:36:09,470 --> 03:36:13,310
because not everybody grabs them. But all it takes for us, since we'll already have it in folders,

2100
03:36:15,125 --> 03:36:15,125
is it takes six seconds to copy the file over to a flash drive.

2101
03:36:21,285 --> 03:36:24,460
the flash drive costs $1.09. >> but that's assuming if somebody's sitting there at the computer in that database,

2102
03:36:28,570 --> 03:36:31,420
right at the time when you walk up and perfectly say, here, well, you felt put this on the heart or the thumb drive.

2103
03:36:35,960 --> 03:36:39,140
I know I've gone into the office. I went in there and got my passport, and I had gone in a couple of other things.

2104
03:36:41,255 --> 03:36:44,540
one time I was in there, I might have been the passport issue, I don't remember, but, the person at the counter wasn't the person I needed to see.

2105
03:36:48,350 --> 03:36:50,450
the person I need to see was in a meeting. When they got out of the meeting, I went back down there,

2106
03:36:52,460 --> 03:36:53,735
and then that person had to go, look for a file, and they had to go do this.

2107
03:36:56,600 --> 03:37:00,350
you make it sound very simple. Oh, we just hand him a thumb drive, and they take 66 and here you go.

2108
03:37:02,120 --> 03:37:04,010
but there's more to it than that. If I were to walk down there right now today,

2109
03:37:06,665 --> 03:37:09,710
whoever I'd be talking to at the front counter, I don't know who's there, but if I talked to them and said,

2110
03:37:10,790 --> 03:37:13,250
I'd like a thumb drive of the voter information. Maybe you would have to get it,

2111
03:37:15,200 --> 03:37:16,370
maybe somebod ele would have to get it. I mean, not everybody in that office can just copy over to a thumb drive, I'm assuming.

2112
03:37:19,820 --> 03:37:19,820
>> we'll have them prepared for people if they actually come in and get there.

2113
03:37:24,370 --> 03:37:27,245
>> go ahead. Continue as president. >> we'll take care of that. We have a budget that is

2114
03:37:30,020 --> 03:37:30,020
already $1.4 million for people to sit there. They're just sitting there.

2115
03:37:35,030 --> 03:37:35,030
to charge people more to actually move, like seem successive.

2116
03:37:42,455 --> 03:37:44,870
what we're trying to do is we're trying to give maximum oversight to the public so they can actually see what's going on.

2117
03:37:49,910 --> 03:37:49,910
the standard is in the state and all around the place is basically hide everything,

2118
03:37:54,725 --> 03:37:56,870
make it expensive, make it hard to get to, make it hard to evaluate.

2119
03:37:59,045 --> 03:38:02,705
just last year, they didn't even have the vote cast record in a form you could actually evaluate as an excel file.

2120
03:38:05,600 --> 03:38:06,830
it was came out as a pdf, the redaction, so it was impossible to moot use.

2121
03:38:09,620 --> 03:38:12,110
we're trying to go the opposite direction because now when we throw elections in shasta county,

2122
03:38:15,425 --> 03:38:18,125
they will be right, and they will be accurate, and there will be no playing with the numbers.

2123
03:38:20,315 --> 03:38:20,315
we have no fear of showing what we're doing to everyone. Any other questions?

2124
03:38:30,065 --> 03:38:31,805
>> no. Is that in your presentation? >> let me give a cost. Cost analysis.

2125
03:38:34,745 --> 03:38:37,100
we lose about $100. That's all we ever make on the voter files.

2126
03:38:41,240 --> 03:38:43,730
we will lose that, but as part of that, we have gained back.

2127
03:38:46,210 --> 03:38:50,105
because we need to look for an offset for those fees. My offset is essentially that thousand we get

2128
03:38:54,125 --> 03:38:56,510
is offset by the fact that we give everything to the public and everybody can see everything,

2129
03:38:59,345 --> 03:38:59,345
which saves us about $5,000 per election for the security we used to have to have there.

2130
03:39:04,895 --> 03:39:07,430
because you had to have $5,000 for the security. Then we're actually for the events before the events,

2131
03:39:12,695 --> 03:39:14,360
the ones we were allowed to go to, were paid for by the office.

2132
03:39:17,255 --> 03:39:18,980
we actually paid salaries. I'm just going to run them myself or with volunteers.

2133
03:39:22,025 --> 03:39:24,980
that will save an additional $20,000 per year. It'll actually save quite a bit of money to do it this way as opposed to,

2134
03:39:31,160 --> 03:39:31,160
you go lose 1,000 and gain 25. Good deal all around.

2135
03:39:38,710 --> 03:39:41,945
>> thank you for the presentation. I appreciate that. Like I say, we talked and I have no problem

2136
03:39:46,940 --> 03:39:49,100
buying authorizing the purchase of small american flags to pass out of these events. I have no problem with that.

2137
03:39:52,220 --> 03:39:55,100
but I've been told that that's already the case. You already have that option to be able to do that. I'm not sure.

2138
03:39:57,890 --> 03:40:00,845
again, I do not like nominal items. I will pass this portion of it,

2139
03:40:02,570 --> 03:40:04,910
or I will vote for this portion of it in favor if that is changed to small american flags.

2140
03:40:07,910 --> 03:40:08,705
>> it's good. >> perfect. But the electronics fees, the cost.

2141
03:40:14,315 --> 03:40:17,690
clint, I told you and you didn't answer my phone call when I called you back on friday and left your voicemail,

2142
03:40:21,875 --> 03:40:23,435
but I told you then, if you expect us to override

2143
03:40:26,420 --> 03:40:26,420
noda short and what her findings are and how much that thing costs,

2144
03:40:30,455 --> 03:40:32,960
you're going to have to give us something we can sink our teeth into. I told you, you're going to have to do a presentation and you can't just say, oh,

2145
03:40:36,710 --> 03:40:36,710
it only takes two seconds, and the thumb drives are a buck in one oh nine.

2146
03:40:40,925 --> 03:40:43,070
here we just make it five bucks. It'll be fair. You're going to have to, again.

2147
03:40:45,380 --> 03:40:47,045
I'll be your test subject, if you want. I'll walk down there as soon as this meeting's over and go ask for

2148
03:40:49,400 --> 03:40:52,310
a thumb drive cause I'm going to need one here very shortly anyways, and see how long it takes,

2149
03:40:53,945 --> 03:40:57,680
how many it goes through. >> I would take it like two minutes. I know exactly where they are. Buddy new ones.

2150
03:41:00,170 --> 03:41:00,170
>> if you're there. [overlapping]

2151
03:41:05,120 --> 03:41:07,385
>> they're in a little bucket ss clean and dirty. >> what would happen if I walked down there right now to get them to get one.

2152
03:41:10,400 --> 03:41:13,520
[laughter] would it be there? >> who would be there. >> somebody will be able to pull that data out?

2153
03:41:15,815 --> 03:41:15,815
because again, you're going to have to give us a

2154
03:41:20,030 --> 03:41:20,030
lot more than that for me to say nod short.

2155
03:41:24,260 --> 03:41:27,320
again, it wouldn't be the first time that we had a fee that was too high. Noda is an absolute fiscal hawk,

2156
03:41:30,230 --> 03:41:33,545
and she's going to find those, and she has found many of those. But you're going to have to give us way more research and data

2157
03:41:37,715 --> 03:41:37,715
and metrics in order for me to go from $68-$5.

2158
03:41:41,990 --> 03:41:45,530
as somebody that's going to need one here in the very near future, $68 or $56 or whatever it is,

2159
03:41:48,935 --> 03:41:51,035
it doesn't seem to be outrageous to me. I think that's what I paid four years ago.

2160
03:41:53,360 --> 03:41:56,960
it was about $50 four years ago. >> it may not be outrageous, but it does push down on people as to whether they can see the election.

2161
03:42:02,960 --> 03:42:06,590
that's not what we're trying to do. We're trying to make it as open as possible. >> how many requests of these for these do you get say,

2162
03:42:09,950 --> 03:42:11,900
this last month. How many did you get? >> twenty. >> twenty requests? How many do you expect to get this month?

2163
03:42:16,640 --> 03:42:20,390
>> if we lower the price? >> no. If the price stays the same. >> I have no idea.

2164
03:42:25,210 --> 03:42:25,210
>> supervisor long.

2165
03:42:30,670 --> 03:42:30,670
>> thank you. Thank you for your presentation.

2166
03:42:35,740 --> 03:42:39,035
we all know with public funds, there has to be in fact,

2167
03:42:40,880 --> 03:42:40,880
we've got admin policy 2-201 in shasta county,

2168
03:42:45,125 --> 03:42:45,125
that we have to demonstrate the public purpose for anything.

2169
03:42:51,020 --> 03:42:52,880
if you were to buy flags, how would you fit that under public purpose?

2170
03:42:56,840 --> 03:42:59,690
>> well, the public purpose is that with the flags, you were actually building civic.

2171
03:43:03,005 --> 03:43:06,890
I don't know what you want to call it. Civic engagement. Without the flags, you can set your tent there and you're

2172
03:43:09,800 --> 03:43:12,485
not going to get a single person to come by and talk to you. With the flags, you actually have something to get the public and to draw them in.

2173
03:43:17,015 --> 03:43:20,690
we go from let's say 4th of july. We go from zero people coming by because they can see

2174
03:43:23,990 --> 03:43:27,725
the vote thing and they can see if they're glacing at you, but there's nothing they want. You start handing flags to people.

2175
03:43:29,540 --> 03:43:31,610
we had 600 people come in. We got a bunch of people volunteering to do things.

2176
03:43:35,600 --> 03:43:37,220
we got a couple of people registered to vote. Those people would not have been there otherwise.

2177
03:43:40,025 --> 03:43:40,025
>> let's extend that a little bit to you were talking about a float being in parades.

2178
03:43:46,160 --> 03:43:46,160
we've got to be very careful that we don't endorse electioneering.

2179
03:43:52,040 --> 03:43:55,415
you're running for a campaign, the elections coming up, and if you were to be on this float,

2180
03:43:58,325 --> 03:44:00,800
how would you tie that into public purpose in the sense that if you're sitting on that and waving,

2181
03:44:06,485 --> 03:44:06,485
that looks a lot like optically it's campaigning.

2182
03:44:10,880 --> 03:44:10,880
we have to be very careful with that because the law is very specific as to what

2183
03:44:16,220 --> 03:44:16,220
constitutes electioneering and what constitutes public purpose for public funds.

2184
03:44:23,285 --> 03:44:23,285
if it was deemed to be electioneering,

2185
03:44:27,785 --> 03:44:30,260
and I'm not saying anything about you. I'm not passing judgment, but I'm just saying the optics,

2186
03:44:32,705 --> 03:44:32,705
it would be it would be illegal because you can't use

2187
03:44:36,710 --> 03:44:36,710
public funds for any purpose for an election.

2188
03:44:41,465 --> 03:44:43,490
> you can't say vote four, essentially. >> correct. I look at the flags and being at

2189
03:44:49,310 --> 03:44:49,310
a booth is that going to attract more people?

2190
03:44:55,160 --> 03:44:55,160
I don't see the complete nexus there between a public purpose and being on a float.

2191
03:45:03,245 --> 03:45:05,270
you just wave in to the public. That doesn't do anything for public purpose that I could prove.

2192
03:45:09,065 --> 03:45:09,065
I think the optics would be dangerous given the fact that

2193
03:45:14,180 --> 03:45:14,180
you're running for election in so I have a problem with that.

2194
03:45:19,235 --> 03:45:19,235
then another question that came up that based on your presentation was,

2195
03:45:23,450 --> 03:45:23,450
you said that your employee your staff is just standing around,

2196
03:45:27,650 --> 03:45:27,650
so it won't be any extra staff time because they would

2197
03:45:31,790 --> 03:45:31,790
just be able to do all these voter roll disseminations,

2198
03:45:36,170 --> 03:45:38,495
and you would prepare them weekly. Have you figured out the actual cost to do that on a weekly basis?

2199
03:45:45,245 --> 03:45:49,070
what has been the process up to this point? How often have they been produced other than just on demand?

2200
03:45:53,180 --> 03:45:57,140
>> well, the request is always delayed. It's always slow. They take as long as they could to get it to anybody.

2201
03:46:00,470 --> 03:46:02,900
we want to be prepared. We want to have the m set there. We want to have them, so they just pick them up and hand them over.

2202
03:46:06,670 --> 03:46:10,265
>> I put $5 on there because you didn't want it for free. I think free is a better idea,

2203
03:46:11,690 --> 03:46:15,380
because I think collecting $5 and writing up the receipt for it costs more than the $5 because it takes more time to take the $5 than to use the $5.

2204
03:46:21,485 --> 03:46:23,765
I think, free would be better. But the public purpose is so the public has access to everything.

2205
03:46:29,210 --> 03:46:32,150
we want them to be able to take those roles, to look them over,

2206
03:46:33,260 --> 03:46:33,260
to analyze them, and to know that at least our office is hiding nothing.

2207
03:46:39,245 --> 03:46:41,300
>> correct. I understand that. But nothing comes for free.

2208
03:46:45,695 --> 03:46:48,710
the fact that your staff time, they're standing around, well,

2209
03:46:50,690 --> 03:46:52,820
then you have too many staff. Honestly. We reduce staff to whatever is needed to get the mission accomplished,

2210
03:47:00,785 --> 03:47:03,455
and if you have people just standing around. By definition if you are appropriately staffed,

2211
03:47:08,735 --> 03:47:08,735
then those folks will have to take time away from their other duties,

2212
03:47:13,580 --> 03:47:13,580
whatever their election function duties are to then go to produce this product,

2213
03:47:19,835 --> 03:47:19,835
and so it will cost the county whatever we could put a number to that.

2214
03:47:27,200 --> 03:47:27,200
I'm a little bit leery of the argument that people to stand around,

2215
03:47:31,370 --> 03:47:33,245
and so their time is free. Now, we're paying them full salaries and benefits,

2216
03:47:35,465 --> 03:47:35,465
and their time is not free or we're overstaffed.

2217
03:47:39,700 --> 03:47:39,700
I think it's something where again,

2218
03:47:44,090 --> 03:47:44,090
we have to get back to the public purpose for this.

2219
03:47:48,500 --> 03:47:52,235
I think that's because I don't want to tread into anything that's illegal if it's interpreted to be anything other than public purpose.

2220
03:47:57,695 --> 03:48:01,550
I think it's a concept, but we have seen this time and time again.

2221
03:48:06,350 --> 03:48:08,210
you brought one thing to us, which was passport photos, $35,

2222
03:48:10,640 --> 03:48:10,640
and you wanted to basically have the general public subsidize that by reducing that to,

2223
03:48:19,265 --> 03:48:22,070
I think it was five bucks or something like that. >> twenty two. >> twenty two from.

2224
03:48:24,110 --> 03:48:25,400
>> thirty five. >> thirty five to 22.

2225
03:48:29,080 --> 03:48:29,080
it comes down to a fairness issue with me, anyway,

2226
03:48:33,365 --> 03:48:33,365
and it has to do with who pays for what?

2227
03:48:38,015 --> 03:48:41,960
the example of a passport photo if somebody wants to come get their passport photo, and they choose not to go to a different venue.

2228
03:48:43,865 --> 03:48:46,235
then they pay whatever the cost for the county, we're not making money, we're not losing money.

2229
03:48:48,110 --> 03:48:50,660
we have to do that with everything. The idea of the voter role thumb drives.

2230
03:48:58,005 --> 03:49:00,280
>> people know they can do that, and the county has assessed a cost to that to have that function done,

2231
03:49:04,900 --> 03:49:07,585
and it's well within their rights to access that information. When I was running the campaign,

2232
03:49:09,520 --> 03:49:09,520
I had to go down to the rov and pay for certain items,

2233
03:49:14,980 --> 03:49:18,850
and I paid them and moved on with it because that was my choice, my cost of doing business.

2234
03:49:21,490 --> 03:49:21,490
I just think there's some issues with all of this.

2235
03:49:26,560 --> 03:49:26,560
>> well, instead of maybe shape 2 structures,

2236
03:49:30,595 --> 03:49:32,770
we should double charge the candidates and give it free to the people that are researching elections.

2237
03:49:35,080 --> 03:49:38,410
>> counsel larmour, you are in queue. You're done? >> supervisor crye.

2238
03:49:40,770 --> 03:49:40,770
>> well, I was curious in this presentation,

2239
03:49:46,615 --> 03:49:49,630
if you were still looking at the passport thing, and if you're still looking to eliminate that service since the private sector does it,

2240
03:49:53,650 --> 03:49:56,995
and that's not something that necessarily rov's office needs to do. Are you still considering that?

2241
03:49:58,225 --> 03:49:59,980
>> I can barely hear you. >> sorry. I said are you still considering getting rid of

2242
03:50:03,820 --> 03:50:07,120
doing the passport component because the private sector can do that, and that could just be another task that the government doesn't need to oversee or do?

2243
03:50:11,215 --> 03:50:14,395
>> if we're charging twice as much, we might as well just get rid of it. >> I think if you get rid of it, that's great.

2244
03:50:16,390 --> 03:50:17,710
it just streamlines government, and it's one less thing government needs to have its hands in,

2245
03:50:20,565 --> 03:50:24,240
so that's good to hear. The one thing is I know, when we talk about the flags,

2246
03:50:25,935 --> 03:50:29,510
I'd be curious if sheriff johnson was here and he had flags with a thin blue line that he wanted to give out,

2247
03:50:33,325 --> 03:50:36,870
how this board would feel about that and supported. It's your budget. I'm going to support the flag thing.

2248
03:50:42,505 --> 03:50:44,440
I do agree with supervisor kelstrom. I get what you mean when you say that flippantly,

2249
03:50:46,570 --> 03:50:48,870
it's going to take six seconds. If this hadn't been

2250
03:50:51,355 --> 03:50:51,355
such a crucible of how I've really felt strongly about county fees and

2251
03:50:56,830 --> 03:50:57,970
knowing the work that we've done in the last almost three years with ms. Short's office and then auditing,

2252
03:51:04,045 --> 03:51:07,330
I would say, I might be a little bit more cavalier about the decision, but I do want to see some type of time study come back and say,

2253
03:51:10,480 --> 03:51:13,480
hey, this is what it truly is, because there's a big discrepancy. If she says it's 68, and you say it's five,

2254
03:51:16,510 --> 03:51:18,550
well, maybe it's eight. I will rush that forward and make that as inexpensive to the public as possible.

2255
03:51:24,715 --> 03:51:28,615
at the same time, I think for people that really care about elections and stuff like that, whether they're going to pay 60 bucks,

2256
03:51:30,970 --> 03:51:30,970
50 bucks, that's a small price to pay for the transparency that you,

2257
03:51:36,085 --> 03:51:38,560
in that role, have now given that office. It is night and day different in terms of accessibility of that information.

2258
03:51:42,990 --> 03:51:46,905
if we can make it cheaper, or it can be done more streamlined, great, but there does have to be a cost recovery.

2259
03:51:49,575 --> 03:51:51,825
I'm going to be with supervisor kelstrom on that, but this is something you can bring back at any time.

2260
03:51:54,845 --> 03:51:58,555
anytime you want to bring that back, I would support that. >> supervisor plummer, and then after that,

2261
03:52:00,430 --> 03:52:04,150
we'll take public comment. Do we have public comment? I'm sure we do. >> yes. >> supervisor plummer.

2262
03:52:05,545 --> 03:52:08,740
>> I just wanted to ask for clarification. I see in the staff report that it says

2263
03:52:11,620 --> 03:52:14,845
county council does not approve the resolution as to form. Could you elaborate on that?

2264
03:52:16,900 --> 03:52:16,900
>> there are multiple issues within the resolution draft that I saw.

2265
03:52:22,720 --> 03:52:25,660
I think there were multiple drafts after that, and I also know that I worked on a draft with noda.

2266
03:52:29,515 --> 03:52:33,130
ultimately, there are a number of issues. The first one comes to item number 2,

2267
03:52:36,460 --> 03:52:36,460
which is adopt a resolution which provides for approving participation.

2268
03:52:44,070 --> 03:52:47,830
mr. Curtis is an elected official, and ultimately, the board doesn't have any control over whether he does or doesn't attend an event.

2269
03:52:54,355 --> 03:52:54,355
ultimately, the denial of entry into

2270
03:52:59,080 --> 03:52:59,080
the parade had to do with costs and liability of entering a parade with a vehicle.

2271
03:53:08,190 --> 03:53:08,190
ultimately, the board doesn't have any authority to either grant

2272
03:53:12,400 --> 03:53:16,015
or not grant him to attend those events. There were other issues with the resolution as it related

2273
03:53:22,600 --> 03:53:22,600
to asking for approval in the wrong ways.

2274
03:53:31,150 --> 03:53:31,150
ultimately, there was a draft which included

2275
03:53:36,220 --> 03:53:36,220
some legislation that wasn't completely appropriate for use in the resolution.

2276
03:53:44,400 --> 03:53:44,400
in the draft that I worked on with auditor controller,

2277
03:53:48,945 --> 03:53:52,770
we were trying to streamline his request, which was to actually request the board to grant him

2278
03:53:57,200 --> 03:53:57,200
authority that's currently granted to the ceo for expenditures under 2-201,

2279
03:54:05,500 --> 03:54:05,500
which was spoken of by supervisor long.

2280
03:54:09,610 --> 03:54:09,610
as it's currently drafted,

2281
03:54:13,660 --> 03:54:13,660
I can't support it on legal standing.

2282
03:54:18,030 --> 03:54:20,500
>> thank you, supervisor plummer. Supervisor long, are you okay with going to public comment and then coming back and visiting this?

2283
03:54:24,070 --> 03:54:24,820
>> is there any way I can just talk about it? >> sure. Go ahead.

2284
03:54:28,830 --> 03:54:28,830
>> just so I don't forget. [laughter] maybe this would be a question for erin,

2285
03:54:39,340 --> 03:54:39,340
probably, or noda, either one.

2286
03:54:45,330 --> 03:54:45,330
my understanding is that along the lines of what county counsel larmour just

2287
03:54:54,055 --> 03:54:56,740
indicated that this board cannot make something a public function or not make a public function,

2288
03:55:02,680 --> 03:55:02,680
or we cannot authorize something that we don't have that position, that authority to do.

2289
03:55:11,080 --> 03:55:13,960
my question is, is there some an audit process at the end of the year where these requests,

2290
03:55:18,175 --> 03:55:21,520
even if the board voted to approve this right now, the function would be approved or they would be reviewed later,

2291
03:55:27,325 --> 03:55:27,325
and it would be determined whether it was a legal purpose for that money or not?

2292
03:55:32,395 --> 03:55:34,900
>> good afternoon, chair kelstrom, members of the board. Erin bertain, deputy county executive officer.

2293
03:55:37,900 --> 03:55:37,900
aside from the issues that county counsel larmour has with the resolution,

2294
03:55:42,790 --> 03:55:42,790
if the board were to waive 2-201 and in the way

2295
03:55:47,530 --> 03:55:47,530
that counsel larmour had discussed and give that authority to the registrar of voters,

2296
03:55:54,100 --> 03:55:56,590
he would still be held to the public purpose. Should he spend money in a way that doesn't have a public purpose,

2297
03:56:02,110 --> 03:56:04,825
he can't tie it to the business of the elections office, and that were to go through the auditor's office.

2298
03:56:07,015 --> 03:56:08,950
it would be as each transaction went through, he would be personally liable for those costs.

2299
03:56:12,670 --> 03:56:15,850
she would not approve anything that would be illegal, and it would be illegal to spend

2300
03:56:16,930 --> 03:56:19,465
public funds on anything that didn't have a public purpose. >> what is the definition of a public purpose in a generic sense?

2301
03:56:24,595 --> 03:56:24,595
how does noda figure out this fits the definition of public purpose or it does not?

2302
03:56:32,080 --> 03:56:35,590
>> generally, noda can speak to how she would personally do it. It would have to be in line with the public purpose for the department.

2303
03:56:42,630 --> 03:56:46,360
I think the flags are a good example, and we've talked about that a couple of times that he's already purchased them flags.

2304
03:56:50,050 --> 03:56:53,470
what came with that request, and it went to the auditor's office, it's not normal and customary.

2305
03:56:54,730 --> 03:56:56,410
it came to the cao's office, and we asked what they would be used for.

2306
03:56:58,735 --> 03:57:02,170
we were provided with a list of events that he planned on attending, and that he would be handing out those flags along with voter information,

2307
03:57:05,920 --> 03:57:09,430
information about voting or volunteering, all of which is the purpose of the elections department.

2308
03:57:12,295 --> 03:57:14,650
in accordance with 2-201, we approved that because there was a public purpose.

2309
03:57:17,485 --> 03:57:17,485
if he were to come in with an item,

2310
03:57:21,865 --> 03:57:21,865
say he wanted to provide stuff,

2311
03:57:27,535 --> 03:57:31,030
say in the jrf, he was going to buy them food, that's a public purpose for the probation department

2312
03:57:34,240 --> 03:57:37,180
and that we feed the kids that are in there because they're in our care and custody, but it wouldn't be a function of the elections department.

2313
03:57:39,820 --> 03:57:41,920
it wouldn't be approved purchase for him, but it would be for the probation department,

2314
03:57:43,870 --> 03:57:45,745
so it's two fold. How are we serving the public in alignment with his purpose for his department?

2315
03:57:53,380 --> 03:57:55,950
>> thank you. >> thank you, supervisor long. Ms. Bridgett,

2316
03:57:59,170 --> 03:57:59,170
is there some public comments?

2317
03:58:07,500 --> 03:58:11,035
>> chair, at the time, we have 10 speakers. First up is don duckett,

2318
03:58:12,685 --> 03:58:16,300
followed by gardner, then bev, then dolores lucero. If I called your name, please get in queue.

2319
03:58:31,770 --> 03:58:31,770
>> good afternoon. I'm generally opposed to subsidizing the fees,

2320
03:58:37,495 --> 03:58:40,930
especially under the claim that it would increase trust in elections because we're living in a upside down world here in shasta county.

2321
03:58:46,615 --> 03:58:49,210
four years ago, if you were to pull the citizens of this county about their top 5 issues and concerns,

2322
03:58:53,140 --> 03:58:56,380
trust and elections wouldn't even make the top 5. [background]

2323
03:59:01,570 --> 03:59:04,390
>> let's not speak out from the crowd. That's your first warning. >> it's not the election process itself,

2324
03:59:06,730 --> 03:59:06,730
but the actions of this board have changed that sentiment of the public.

2325
03:59:10,960 --> 03:59:14,560
public confidence began to erode only after the board repeatedly interfered with elections administration and ultimately

2326
03:59:19,045 --> 03:59:22,420
appointed a self-proclaimed computer hacker with no professional election experience to be our registrar of voters.

2327
03:59:27,445 --> 03:59:27,445
many of the individuals who previously promoted

2328
03:59:31,540 --> 03:59:31,540
election denial narratives are now working inside the department.

2329
03:59:36,190 --> 03:59:38,680
that is not how trust is built. When the inmates are perceived to be running the asylum,

2330
03:59:41,590 --> 03:59:45,130
lowering fees does nothing to restore confidence. This board has already squandered hundreds of thousands of

2331
03:59:48,220 --> 03:59:48,220
taxpayer's dollars, meddling in elections,

2332
03:59:52,825 --> 03:59:52,825
conducting unnecessary reviews, chasing conspiracy theories,

2333
03:59:57,460 --> 03:59:57,460
and undermining the very systems you now claim need public reassurance.

2334
04:00:02,470 --> 04:00:02,470
[noise] trust is not created by subsidizing data requests.

2335
04:00:11,125 --> 04:00:13,660
this june, when joanna wins by a landslide, this county will begin the process of taking itself back.

2336
04:00:17,320 --> 04:00:21,070
she will inherit a system that has been damaged and destabilized, and she will have the difficult task of putting humpty dumpty back together again.

2337
04:00:25,660 --> 04:00:28,150
it won't be easy, but it is possible. Thank you. [applause]

2338
04:00:30,040 --> 04:00:34,015
>> gardner, followed by bev, dolores lucero, then steve khan. If I called your name, please get in queue.

2339
04:00:35,995 --> 04:00:38,410
>> I'm sorry if I can get a point of order. Is it 10 or under where you get three?

2340
04:00:40,945 --> 04:00:43,285
>> it's 10 or over is two minutes, and then nine or under is three.

2341
04:00:45,010 --> 04:00:45,010
>> just checking. We need some money for flags,

2342
04:00:49,195 --> 04:00:49,195
here. What a joke.

2343
04:00:53,695 --> 04:00:56,875
this stunt, and that's what this is, a political stunt,

2344
04:00:58,615 --> 04:00:58,615
campaigning, electioneering stunt.

2345
04:01:03,145 --> 04:01:05,695
well, I couldn't go, I was told. Who told you you couldn't go to the christmas parade?

2346
04:01:09,220 --> 04:01:11,800
was it a legal liability issue? Maybe that, but was it because a leftist prior rov,

2347
04:01:18,700 --> 04:01:20,545
who's actually a communist, didn't want rov to go to a christmas parade?

2348
04:01:25,780 --> 04:01:29,260
heaven, prevent. This is a stunt, it's a joke, it's pathetic.

2349
04:01:31,780 --> 04:01:35,650
this guy has no credibility asking for money. You got to have some credibility.

2350
04:01:37,300 --> 04:01:39,370
he admitted that he's giving our voter rolls and lots of other information to trump's doj,

2351
04:01:43,990 --> 04:01:43,990
but will not follow up on a cpra explaining that.

2352
04:01:49,930 --> 04:01:53,110
he's got discretionary money. If he wants to buy some more flags,

2353
04:01:56,065 --> 04:01:56,065
he can get on amazon where he gets all of stuff.

2354
04:02:00,610 --> 04:02:00,610
fine, but this is a campaigning stunt.

2355
04:02:09,550 --> 04:02:12,580
to come before this board, even after county council has said, this is illegal,

2356
04:02:13,810 --> 04:02:15,310
what you're asking for, we can't really even entertain that.

2357
04:02:18,205 --> 04:02:21,160
it just goes to show he has disregard for law, for order, for the citizens and the taxpayers of shasta county.

2358
04:02:25,960 --> 04:02:29,460
this is an electioneering stunt. >> next up, bev, followed by dolores lucero,

2359
04:02:32,590 --> 04:02:34,165
steve khan, then david halligan. If I called your name, please get in queue.

2360
04:02:40,050 --> 04:02:43,735
>> we need to support clint in his efforts to have elections without fraud and unite the county.

2361
04:02:49,050 --> 04:02:51,805
he needs that exposure, we need to regain that trust.

2362
04:02:54,835 --> 04:02:54,835
the voter rolls reports should be affordable.

2363
04:02:59,830 --> 04:03:02,365
people need to see things for themselves, and not go by hearsay of these lies that they're told.

2364
04:03:07,300 --> 04:03:07,300
in 2024 election, both primaries and general,

2365
04:03:12,280 --> 04:03:12,280
I would look at the people that were invalid in the 2020 elections.

2366
04:03:17,140 --> 04:03:20,920
sometimes they were on the list, and then later on, those same people,

2367
04:03:22,315 --> 04:03:22,315
when I have to pay another $60 to get the voter rolls again,

2368
04:03:26,890 --> 04:03:28,675
they're back on the list. Then I even have it where they're not on the list at the time the election is closed,

2369
04:03:33,580 --> 04:03:37,090
but weeks later, they're back on the voter rolls, and they voted in the primary and the general.

2370
04:03:39,850 --> 04:03:43,450
there's people that were voting on the 2020 election, and now the history shows that no, they didn't vote.

2371
04:03:46,795 --> 04:03:48,610
that's not just happening, that is being manipulated.

2372
04:03:53,490 --> 04:03:54,910
sorry. [laughter]

2373
04:04:05,140 --> 04:04:07,255
the voting history was changed. Until we get valid elections,

2374
04:04:09,850 --> 04:04:13,105
we need to do everything possible to support clint. Why not set up a day where you can go in there and request it,

2375
04:04:17,650 --> 04:04:19,510
and here's your file. We know anything involving the government costs more and takes longer.

2376
04:04:26,100 --> 04:04:28,540
it's exaggerated. It doesn't take very long for someone to just put it in,

2377
04:04:32,185 --> 04:04:34,960
take it out, but do the whole bunch at the same time. You're walking over to the computer once you're getting the results. Thank you.

2378
04:04:40,405 --> 04:04:42,775
>> next up, dolores lucero, followed by steve khan, david halligan, then laura hobbs.

2379
04:04:44,620 --> 04:04:44,620
if I call your name, please get in queue.

2380
04:04:49,980 --> 04:04:49,980
>> I want to ask one question before I start. Are you the chair?

2381
04:04:55,780 --> 04:04:55,780
do we come to you for any questions if we need to have a question answered?

2382
04:05:03,090 --> 04:05:03,090
the reason I'm asking you is because I asked her name, stephanie.

2383
04:05:10,465 --> 04:05:10,465
I asked her if I could reinstate for me to speak in

2384
04:05:15,160 --> 04:05:15,160
an item because I got confused because both of them are almost the same.

2385
04:05:20,200 --> 04:05:20,200
mr. Larmour actually made the decision for me not to speak.

2386
04:05:24,910 --> 04:05:24,910
since when is he in charge of your decision?

2387
04:05:29,215 --> 04:05:30,925
>> I got to keep you on hour. >> well, I just wanted to point that out and put that on

2388
04:05:33,730 --> 04:05:36,805
record that he's making decisions for you now. For clint curtis to come up here and ask for money, it's embarrassing.

2389
04:05:41,605 --> 04:05:45,520
I am so disgusted with this man who actually three republicans of you guys appointed him to the election department.

2390
04:05:50,530 --> 04:05:53,530
then for him, he is actually considering doing an election airing because that's what it is.

2391
04:05:57,445 --> 04:06:00,820
the bottom line, he wants to get everybody to look at him like he's the guy who came and made the changes.

2392
04:06:04,390 --> 04:06:07,165
he came in and made changes. He's already committed a couple of felonies,

2393
04:06:10,195 --> 04:06:12,550
and we know he's a liar. He's going to continue to destroy our election department.

2394
04:06:18,480 --> 04:06:21,040
>> [noise] I actually, like I said, in the past, I did file a complaint against him.

2395
04:06:24,100 --> 04:06:24,100
if he wants to try to file a complaint against me, I'm okay with that.

2396
04:06:28,555 --> 04:06:29,995
but I'm telling you right now, he's committed multiple felonies because he has all the people who gather the signatures,

2397
04:06:35,710 --> 04:06:38,290
working in the same department like laura hobbs who actually filed a lawsuit, and it's pending.

2398
04:06:41,170 --> 04:06:41,170
you can't work in the same place that you file a lawsuit. It's prohibit.

2399
04:06:45,220 --> 04:06:47,500
it's criminal. It's a conflict of interest. You can't have that. He's doing he's breaking every laws.

2400
04:06:50,980 --> 04:06:54,880
>> next up, steve khan, followed by david halligan, laura hobbs, then jim burnett.

2401
04:06:57,810 --> 04:06:57,810
>> good afternoon, board, staff, who's left?

2402
04:07:04,740 --> 04:07:04,740
you can't adopt this resolution against the advice of our county attorney.

2403
04:07:11,065 --> 04:07:11,065
it amazes me that even though our appointed rov is apparently an attorney,

2404
04:07:19,390 --> 04:07:19,390
and apparently got advice that,

2405
04:07:25,050 --> 04:07:27,880
resolution was not correct. Still couldn't correct it to a point that it could be adopted.

2406
04:07:31,390 --> 04:07:31,390
the other problem is that it's also indicative of

2407
04:07:35,500 --> 04:07:35,500
appointing somebody as rov that doesn't have experience in,

2408
04:07:39,640 --> 04:07:41,530
massive experience in the elections. There's many things that are specific

2409
04:07:44,185 --> 04:07:47,740
and that I think take years of experience in order to do well. The other concern I had was that county funds

2410
04:07:52,570 --> 04:07:52,570
would be used in order to help him with his reelection desires.

2411
04:07:58,210 --> 04:08:01,150
I think chair kelstrom, did, limit things a little bit.

2412
04:08:04,930 --> 04:08:08,125
supervisor long also mentioned, we should be very cautious in those regards.

2413
04:08:11,485 --> 04:08:13,645
I trust you guys will keep an eye on that, and I'm very disappointed in his appointment as rov.

2414
04:08:18,310 --> 04:08:20,920
>> david halligan, followed by laura hobbs, jim burnett, then jenny.

2415
04:08:23,430 --> 04:08:26,740
>> r7. Take the following actions. Receive a presentation concerning county clerk election office plans for

2416
04:08:30,370 --> 04:08:30,370
public outreach and voter education. What did you hear there?

2417
04:08:34,375 --> 04:08:35,695
I didn't hear much at all. Mr. Curtis quotes on the r7 report,

2418
04:08:39,400 --> 04:08:39,400
cleanse the reputation of an office that sees the public as a nuisance.

2419
04:08:43,975 --> 04:08:46,570
stop playing the blame game, mr. Curtis. Focus on the present and what you can do to improve.

2420
04:08:49,180 --> 04:08:51,865
yes, improve all functions of your election department. The flag is the swag.

2421
04:08:53,395 --> 04:08:55,390
I get it, mr. Curtis. You quote. Without the flag, the presence of a booth or a table is really worthless.

2422
04:09:00,910 --> 04:09:03,595
the old adage, you got to have a hook clint? Supervisors. Mr. Curtis and his team should focus on the items for

2423
04:09:07,090 --> 04:09:11,080
the 2026 elections and not promoting your campaign. Mr. Curtis, you should focus on hiring, training,

2424
04:09:13,720 --> 04:09:17,695
coaching for the 2026 midterms, updating voter files, aligning existing voter data with the newly approved maps to

2425
04:09:21,340 --> 04:09:21,340
ensure every voter receives the correct ballot for their specific district,

2426
04:09:25,450 --> 04:09:29,215
and polling place changes. Voter education. Mr. Curtis, under the california education code,

2427
04:09:31,285 --> 04:09:31,285
rovs and educational institutions must conduct high school voter education weeks during

2428
04:09:36,880 --> 04:09:39,940
the last two full weeks of april to promote civic engagement among don't stop here, mr. Curtis.

2429
04:09:44,260 --> 04:09:44,260
you and your team should hit every high school in shasta county between now and may 31st.

2430
04:09:49,390 --> 04:09:49,390
did any of you up here really heard anything about high school and outreach?

2431
04:09:53,530 --> 04:09:55,840
keep benefits of high school voter registration. [noise] creating lifelong voters,

2432
04:09:57,880 --> 04:09:57,880
research shows that registered early and voting is the first eligible election

2433
04:10:03,040 --> 04:10:06,175
significantly increases the likelihood of becoming a consistent lifelong voter? Thank you.

2434
04:10:10,360 --> 04:10:13,390
>> next up, laura hobbs, followed by jim burnett, jenny, then tim saunders.

2435
04:10:15,100 --> 04:10:18,835
if I called your name, please get thank. >> good afternoon, board. Fees that are not directly proportional to services rendered are a tax, plain and simple.

2436
04:10:24,565 --> 04:10:28,330
mr. Curtis has stated that it only takes a minute to create a voter role. Why would you argue with him on that?

2437
04:10:30,895 --> 04:10:33,730
why are you nickeling and daming clint curtis? This has been going on for months now.

2438
04:10:35,755 --> 04:10:38,680
it's blatant micromanaging, which is a direct contrast to how you treated the former rov, kathy allen.

2439
04:10:43,300 --> 04:10:43,300
our former rov and election workers have been attending pride parades, for goodness sake.

2440
04:10:51,910 --> 04:10:55,795
nobody on this board spoke up against it then. This is hypocrisy in my mind,

2441
04:10:57,610 --> 04:11:01,555
and I want to speak to how important this data is. For the 2024 election,

2442
04:11:03,910 --> 04:11:03,910
we had 2,783 more ballots counted than voters who voted.

2443
04:11:09,475 --> 04:11:12,190
the only reason that we knew that was because we to get collectively purchase the voter roles.

2444
04:11:16,150 --> 04:11:19,260
this is not something that I can afford in my personal budget. I have to collect money from citizens so that we can

2445
04:11:22,260 --> 04:11:25,575
pay for these voter roles and actually look at the data. We should be able to see this.

2446
04:11:27,180 --> 04:11:29,850
we should have more people looking at this data so that we can come to these conclusions and have transparent elections.

2447
04:11:33,135 --> 04:11:33,135
right now, the fees are way too high,

2448
04:11:37,455 --> 04:11:37,455
and we need to have these voter roles on a regular basis because as bev gray described,

2449
04:11:42,510 --> 04:11:44,530
there's what they call vote churning, and this is where people pop on and off the voter role.

2450
04:11:47,410 --> 04:11:49,975
[noise] this is how they conduct the fraud. There is fraud, and what's happening now is they're hiding it.

2451
04:11:54,010 --> 04:11:56,020
the fee structure did increase. When I first started getting voter rolls, they were $40.

2452
04:11:59,365 --> 04:12:01,540
then they went up to $68. The fee needs to go back down.

2453
04:12:04,060 --> 04:12:06,220
we need full and complete transparency, and please support clint curtis in everything that he's doing

2454
04:12:08,890 --> 04:12:11,785
to make that happen because this is what the community wants, and this is how we restore trust in our elections. Thank you.

2455
04:12:15,865 --> 04:12:17,785
>> hey, laura. >> burnett. >> did you pay the $40 when it was $40?

2456
04:12:20,920 --> 04:12:24,820
>> when I was running, I had to pay $40 out of my pocket, but then over time for since we analyze elections,

2457
04:12:28,360 --> 04:12:32,335
we would collectively we would put money together, so I would get. >> you paid the $40?

2458
04:12:34,225 --> 04:12:37,105
>> we paid it. Absolutely. Thank you. >> next up, jim burnett,

2459
04:12:38,320 --> 04:12:41,460
followed by jenny, then tim saunders. >> good afternoon. I support the request that clint curtis has made,

2460
04:12:47,875 --> 04:12:50,380
mainly because he is, if anything, he wants a lot more openness and transparency.

2461
04:12:53,740 --> 04:12:57,145
plus, he wants to involve a lot more people in our elections. Elections should not be delegated to one person or one department,

2462
04:13:01,555 --> 04:13:04,750
but it should be a community effort like it used to be. That's exactly what he's trying to do.

2463
04:13:07,105 --> 04:13:10,675
I don't really understand the reticence to do that. Now, if people are concerned like chris is about electioneering,

2464
04:13:16,750 --> 04:13:19,360
supervisor long has mentioned, we need to make sure that those are very bright lines that

2465
04:13:22,480 --> 04:13:22,480
separate community outreach with electioneering.

2466
04:13:26,500 --> 04:13:26,500
that can be done. It's not beyond our means to do that.

2467
04:13:30,910 --> 04:13:30,910
please go ahead and give him what he needs in order for the community outreach.

2468
04:13:37,330 --> 04:13:37,330
I like the idea of of reaching out to high schools,

2469
04:13:41,410 --> 04:13:44,740
like david just said, nick gardner's been on this for months. Now, we ought to involve high school students in

2470
04:13:47,680 --> 04:13:47,680
the election process and get them involved for this lifelong development.

2471
04:13:52,240 --> 04:13:56,185
because again, most of us have been content to delegate elections to a department where we don't know who the people are,

2472
04:14:02,320 --> 04:14:04,885
and we don't have much transparency. One of clint's strongest points is transparency.

2473
04:14:08,740 --> 04:14:12,310
every process of the election system ought to be scrutinized and available freely available for people to look at.

2474
04:14:16,930 --> 04:14:16,930
all of this plays into his request.

2475
04:14:20,980 --> 04:14:20,980
I think we can ratchet down the fees for the voter roles because

2476
04:14:26,170 --> 04:14:26,170
people should be aware of a thing called voter rules and how important they are.

2477
04:14:30,835 --> 04:14:30,835
it's another thing we've just delegated to some bureaucracy,

2478
04:14:36,220 --> 04:14:36,220
and we need to drop out drop as much bureaucracy as we can. Thank you.

2479
04:14:43,495 --> 04:14:43,495
>> next up, jenny, followed by tim saunders.

2480
04:14:57,450 --> 04:14:57,450
>> I am not best. Thank you,

2481
04:15:01,540 --> 04:15:05,050
board for allowing me to speak today, as elections are a very important issue to me, and freedom of speech is not always the case for my family in this room.

2482
04:15:08,155 --> 04:15:10,090
I'm sorry, I do believe that everything this charlatan of a man is doing is electioneering,

2483
04:15:12,430 --> 04:15:12,430
whether it's passing out flags that he bought for what $1,000,

2484
04:15:16,600 --> 04:15:20,290
which I do believe did our county council already rule that electioneering is illegal in this area when laura hobbs ran?

2485
04:15:24,850 --> 04:15:27,445
the county cannot pay for campaigning, or is patrick jones's lawsuit for no reason?

2486
04:15:30,430 --> 04:15:33,760
like, what is he suing for if the county's allowed to pay for that? I, for one, want my taxpayer dollars used to actually improve elections,

2487
04:15:38,170 --> 04:15:41,740
not just smear campaigns on the past rovs. Past elections he wasn't even living here for. How does he know?

2488
04:15:46,585 --> 04:15:49,510
improve public relations, streamline your processes, make your process more clear to both staff and observers.

2489
04:15:52,285 --> 04:15:54,940
I still don't know where signatures were verified, and it was not observable. There.

2490
04:15:59,320 --> 04:16:01,300
>> next up, tim saunders, and chair, this is our last speaker.

2491
04:16:07,740 --> 04:16:10,120
>> good afternoon, members of the board, tim saunders, district 1.

2492
04:16:12,325 --> 04:16:15,130
I'm up here mainly because you guys have been going after this issue for several meetings now,

2493
04:16:17,800 --> 04:16:21,070
and it's really getting embarrassing. You're all adults, decide what's going to happen, streamline the process.

2494
04:16:26,740 --> 04:16:28,960
if nel that thinks it's 68, and the people, for example,

2495
04:16:31,060 --> 04:16:32,905
think it ought to be free, come to some agreement and get it done, please.

2496
04:16:37,375 --> 04:16:37,375
then, secondly, it was completely clear that earlier elections have been a sham,

2497
04:16:45,925 --> 04:16:45,925
and they need to be more diligently observed by the people.

2498
04:16:50,845 --> 04:16:50,845
I know you guys are tired of hearing this from me and other patriots,

2499
04:16:55,315 --> 04:16:55,315
but get your head out of the sand and do your own research if you don't believe it.

2500
04:17:01,285 --> 04:17:01,285
I mean, the doj is going after more electioneering and problems in georgia today,

2501
04:17:07,780 --> 04:17:10,060
and they'll be here eventually. Do we want to look good when they show up or not?

2502
04:17:12,970 --> 04:17:14,575
anyway, have a nice day. Thank you. [applause]

2503
04:17:17,290 --> 04:17:21,130
>> thank you. That brings us back to board discussion. Well, first of all, I would say rov curtis,

2504
04:17:26,215 --> 04:17:29,620
I do love what you've done there. I love the openness. I love the screens.

2505
04:17:30,790 --> 04:17:33,490
I love being able to see the viewing area, I think is spectacular.

2506
04:17:34,990 --> 04:17:38,020
you the securing of the ballots, I think is actually crucial and very important.

2507
04:17:41,815 --> 04:17:41,815
I want to give you kudos for a lot of the good things you have done.

2508
04:17:45,835 --> 04:17:48,025
now, a couple of things that you stated that, past rov offices didn't do any outreach.

2509
04:17:51,175 --> 04:17:53,965
I take a little bit of exception to that because, I personally went to west valley high school with

2510
04:17:57,610 --> 04:17:57,610
joanna and talked to two or three different classes of students while we were there,

2511
04:18:02,230 --> 04:18:04,525
and I mean, she did a whole presentation and whole and signed up new voters while we were there, by the way, too.

2512
04:18:07,510 --> 04:18:10,210
then also, I mc a diversity event in through the sc center with amorite singh down in anderson.

2513
04:18:15,070 --> 04:18:18,370
our county elections had a little booth there, and two gals were there, and they're handing out information and trying to get voters and everything.

2514
04:18:24,090 --> 04:18:26,455
the more you can do, the better it is. Fantastic. I'm only for that.

2515
04:18:28,780 --> 04:18:28,780
but, I do suggest dave did have a very good idea.

2516
04:18:33,310 --> 04:18:35,785
I don't know how much interaction you've had with high schools, but, a lot of those seniors are turning 18 or I've just turned 18,

2517
04:18:38,830 --> 04:18:41,515
and that's a very good place to get new voters. I don't know if you do any outreach with them.

2518
04:18:43,900 --> 04:18:46,660
>> do high schools and grade schools. >> grade schools a little young.

2519
04:18:48,190 --> 04:18:48,970
>> arda young. >> I guess, eventually, they'll get there.

2520
04:18:52,240 --> 04:18:52,240
looking on this, I guess maybe I'll let plummer and crye go,

2521
04:18:56,620 --> 04:18:59,665
but looking on this, we received their presentation. I don't think we need to adopt a resolution approving participation in community events.

2522
04:19:03,970 --> 04:19:06,685
you're already allowed to participate in community events. Of course, the nominal items,

2523
04:19:08,875 --> 04:19:10,120
you say they're flags, you're already allowed to buy flags to hand out at those boots and in those things.

2524
04:19:15,325 --> 04:19:18,775
I don't think we really need to do that. Again, the fee, I'm going to have to have some hard serious data before I

2525
04:19:21,850 --> 04:19:21,850
override and noda short and tell her that no,

2526
04:19:26,155 --> 04:19:26,155
her math is probably wrong because you say it only takes two seconds.

2527
04:19:31,375 --> 04:19:34,045
noda, would you like to comment on that? >> no. But I will.

2528
04:19:36,520 --> 04:19:40,120
just to let you know, have that is not one of the fees that we have audited yet, but it was submitted by his staff and determine that that was the cost currently.

2529
04:19:45,985 --> 04:19:49,300
I would encourage any department head, if you find efficiencies, recalculate those fees immediately and bring those back to the board.

2530
04:19:52,180 --> 04:19:53,995
I think we're obligated to do that. If they are effective and finding cheaper ways to do this,

2531
04:19:56,995 --> 04:20:00,415
I think we should bring those back in the interim and not wait 300%. >> you haven't done that fee study recently.

2532
04:20:03,700 --> 04:20:05,740
this is based on old data from. >> they submitted a worksheet last year.

2533
04:20:08,515 --> 04:20:12,385
they did update the fee last year, but it's not one of the five that we select. >> that you have it.

2534
04:20:13,960 --> 04:20:16,885
>> they do have mathematical calculations that support it that are on file that they're required to have on file,

2535
04:20:19,330 --> 04:20:20,710
but it's not one of the ones that we've. >> if you were going to do this fee study.

2536
04:20:23,665 --> 04:20:26,125
I don't know, my examples I was using, again, if somebody's sitting at the computer in that database and the and thumb drive,

2537
04:20:30,025 --> 04:20:33,610
it only takes a couple of seconds to pop it over there. But that's not how it works. When you walk into that office, you got to,

2538
04:20:36,235 --> 04:20:39,130
talk to the first person and ask for whatever forms, whatever it is, then you got to talk to the right person,

2539
04:20:40,960 --> 04:20:44,620
then they got to go to the computer, and I mean, you know, you may be in there 10, 15 minutes from the time you walk in to the time you're walking out with a thumb drive,

2540
04:20:48,010 --> 04:20:50,950
and you may have interacted with four or five different people. When you do these fee studies,

2541
04:20:52,390 --> 04:20:55,930
you take all that into account, correct? >> it would be a fully loaded rate, so it would include administrative overhead, is it?

2542
04:20:59,140 --> 04:21:02,020
>> I do think that we can probably lower it, clint, but you got to give us hard data.

2543
04:21:04,510 --> 04:21:07,210
you can't just say, it only takes a couple of seconds, and here's the thumb drives on amazon.

2544
04:21:08,845 --> 04:21:12,790
I got to have more than that to drop that fee. I'm all for dropping the fee, but we got to have an actual just number.

2545
04:21:16,045 --> 04:21:19,620
supervisor crye. >> [inaudible] I did have one other comment.

2546
04:21:21,865 --> 04:21:24,760
we did have a second version of that resolution floating around, which we brought today to correct a lot of the language that was incorrect.

2547
04:21:28,570 --> 04:21:30,550
obviously, the board of supervisors is not going to authorize him to participate in events,

2548
04:21:32,590 --> 04:21:32,590
but instead it changed the language so that it would allow him to waive 221 section d,

2549
04:21:40,360 --> 04:21:40,360
which is currently delegated to the cao.

2550
04:21:44,580 --> 04:21:47,050
there is a version floating around. >> you answered actually.

2551
04:21:49,255 --> 04:21:51,400
you brought up what my question was going to be. I was curious about when it jumped 40-68 because it sounds like

2552
04:21:54,850 --> 04:21:54,850
constituents or ms. Hobbs had been paying 40 and was totally fine paying that.

2553
04:21:59,515 --> 04:22:02,050
I was curious how it jumped to 2068, but it sounds like that probably predated your time,

2554
04:22:04,465 --> 04:22:06,925
mr. Curtis, I'm guessing. Might have been mr. >> it came with this last version in 2025.

2555
04:22:10,180 --> 04:22:12,055
I don't know how long it was. Before that fee was updated, we haven't looked into that.

2556
04:22:15,595 --> 04:22:18,250
>> from 40-68 back to five, there's got to be some number in there and like I said,

2557
04:22:20,605 --> 04:22:24,460
there's probably efficiencies in there. Maybe ai can get involved, I don't know. >> I would just recalculate the fee given the new process and bring it back.

2558
04:22:28,315 --> 04:22:30,775
>> anyway, that's it. >> anybody else? Any more discussion.

2559
04:22:34,765 --> 04:22:37,120
again, thank you for the presentation. Reading this now, the way I feel,

2560
04:22:39,160 --> 04:22:40,660
I don't know if I mean, there's again, you have the right to participate in community events.

2561
04:22:44,800 --> 04:22:48,295
you have the ability to buy small flags. They call them nominal items here,

2562
04:22:50,200 --> 04:22:53,185
but we're going to call them small flags because that's what they are. That also lets out anything else.

2563
04:22:56,500 --> 04:22:59,995
nominal items opens the door for who knows what. Until we can prove the cost on that data gathering on those thumb drives,

2564
04:23:05,260 --> 04:23:08,185
I'm not ready to change the price on those. I don't really think we need to in my opinion,

2565
04:23:11,560 --> 04:23:14,305
I don't need to pass any part of this resolution. >> chair with that, just as county counsel has directed before,

2566
04:23:18,280 --> 04:23:20,350
since there is action on the agen. Da, we would need to make a motion to either take action or not take action.

2567
04:23:24,935 --> 04:23:27,060
>> we receive the presentation. That's part. Well, then I'll entertain a motion.

2568
04:23:33,750 --> 04:23:33,750
>> I'll make a motion that we take no action on this item.

2569
04:23:39,570 --> 04:23:41,920
>> second by supervisor crye. First by supervisor long.

2570
04:23:43,900 --> 04:23:47,155
all those in favor. Aye. Say, aye. >> aye. >> any dissent? Passes five vote.

2571
04:23:50,265 --> 04:23:50,265
thank you. Rov curtis.

2572
04:23:55,820 --> 04:23:58,935
>> I believe that was the last item. Do we have anything else?

2573
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if not, this meeting is adjourned. Thank you.