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The pledge of allegiance will be led by
Christian Lions and the invocation by

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Pete Miller. If you'd all please rise
and remove your hats.

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» I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America.

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» To the republic for which it stands, one
nation under God, indivisible, with

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liberty and justice for all.
Heavenly Father, as we gather to serve

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our community, guide our hearts and
minds. Remind us of the seven dangers of

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human virtue, wealth without work,
pleasure without conscience, knowledge

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without character, business without
ethics, science without human humanity,

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religion without sacrifice, and politics
without principle. Grant us clarity,

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humility, and unity this evening as we
serve our residents. May every decision

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that we make be [clears throat] grounded
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good of those that we serve. In your
name we pray. Amen.

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Okay. Um
citizens to be heard. Item number three,

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John Willing. John, if you'd say where
you live. Come on up.

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» No, no. Come up into the lectern,
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It's nice to be able to walk.
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» Okay.
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» Okay. Uh first of all I want to say the
uh July the 4th of July which is

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actually we did it early that whole
celebration was very well done really

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really well done and I think everybody
would agree on that if you went uh we

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had a great celebration and so it
brought a good memory. I also loved it

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uh going up and down the highway today.
I don't know when it was actually done

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but I saw that all the the beew weeds
were actually moaned downh today. So it

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was a relief to the eye. It was actually
very beautiful. So, whoever did the

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mowing job did a nice job. And I know
maybe somebody wasn't happy about that,

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but I think the bees will be okay. You
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something about the uh zoning change uh
that is uh being proposed for having the

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Jify Lube and the Chipotle right in that
area. I'm more particularly concerned

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about the uh the Jify Lube. Not majorly
concerned, but I do have some concerns

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because it brings up some issues. You
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beautiful cities that I've seen have
strong zoning enforced. You can really

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tell that it's been planned. And I think
that without any strong guidance in the

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city planning, the appearance of a city
can look haphazard. It can have lots of

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independent looks and architecture and
conflicts. I studied architecture for a

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couple of years in college and I just,
you know, learned a lot from that that

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it really does make a difference in a a
feeling of a city when you plan it.

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Houston suffered a lot from that effect.
You can see it when you drive through

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the city. There was just caphazard
zoning and I'd hate to see that happen

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in our little community of Shavano Park.
Even though we're not big, you know,

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it'd be really sad to see that happen.
So, some of the specific questions would

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be noise levels from the Jiful. If if
there's people who would some of the

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Chipotle's have dining and some of them
don't outside, uh there could be kind of

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noisy if it's in close proximity to the
building. It seems like there would have

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to be a really good separation there.
So, I think that uh when tires are being

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topped off and there's clanging of auto
parts and cars coming in and out, that

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could be not a really great environment
for a restaurant, you know, very close

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to it. Uh, so I wonder if this Chipotle
would have outdoor seating at this

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location and how much parking will be
available for customers for Chipotle and

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for Jiffy Lube and will there be space
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another concern I have is allowing the
zoning change for Zify Jiffy Lube could

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also very easily set a precedent for the
future to keep on making exceptions for

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this business and another business and
another business and you have to do that

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at times. But if you are forced into it
and oh well look what you did over here

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maybe somebody brings a legal problem in
front of you because that happened. That

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could be a really sad thing to happen in
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John. We appreciate it.
>> Uh, Susan Willings. Susan, if you could

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tell us where you live.
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Pete, for the reminder of those seven
virtues. I really appreciated hearing

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those and I think that really set our
minds in a beautiful place tonight. I

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really thank you. Um, this is not
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I just want to say I don't know if it's
possible, but um, I really appreciate

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what Kevin Walker and Brian E have done
at the end of Cliffside Drive, and I

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wonder maybe this has already been done,
but I it'd be nice if the city or city

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council would send a thank you note to
them. I walk that every day and I notice

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how many hours Kevin has spent loading
rocks and soil to that and it really has

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beautified the front of our street which
I greatly appreciate and um I look

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forward someday to having our own
monument there on the corner of

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Northwest Military and Days of Olive
looking more updated and beautiful

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because this is a beautiful city and I
was just hoping it could reflect that

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because that's you know people make a
lot of judgments when they drive past

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there all the
about our neighborhood and so I'm hoping

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um there can be some wonderful input to
go to there to modernize it and make it

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look lovely.
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the going in of the restaurant and the
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a concern about wow,
you know, we don't have a whole lot of

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acres left and I was just thinking I
mean I I I might be speaking out of turn

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because I'm not the developer and I
don't know how hard it is to get

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businesses attracted to it and
especially that particular lot with the

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traffic flow, but I was hoping there
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kind of a you know restaurant or
something that could be attracted to

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that area. Just um so I'm just I'm not
saying don't but I'm just saying you

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know be cautious about being too hasty
to approve and you know maybe it's it is

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like I say very difficult to find
someone who would be attracted to that

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particular property to build something.
Anyway, thank you for the fact that you

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all work so hard to make these decisions
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» Susan, thank you very much. Appreciate
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» Okay. Uh that brings us to item number
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time. Thank you.
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I'd like to thank you all for showing
up. Whatever your motivation is, it's

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always good to see people involved
civically in government. It gets lonely

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up here on the das when nobody's in the
crowd. Uh, and I'd like to remind you

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that we are in the middle of the budget
process and staff has done an incredible

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job of making sense of all the things
that go into running a city. And uh I

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hope that you appreciate the uh
employees here that do so much to help

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us to make life better for you folks.
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» Okay. Thank you, Pete.
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on Desavalas the project is coming to
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uh I guess it was over a year ago, you
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it'll be 13 months to do this and I
thought, "Oh, come on. It's going to be

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a little bit longer than that." And
we've we've hit the 13month mark.

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There's a lot of people that put a lot
of work into making that happen. Uh so I

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want to want want to thank those in in
particular our staff. When you look at

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Bill, Johnny, Curtis, Brenda, and the
police department that all put a lot of

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work into making sure that it was safe
and and that things went correctly. uh

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our contractor did an outstanding job,
J3 the engineering uh city engineer did

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an outstanding job, the inspector and
also we had a committee of of uh

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citizens that helped drive that uh
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Uh and most of all the citizens that
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the noise and the construction really
really thank them as well. Uh but we're

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getting really close and I think that uh
we're all going to be very pleased with

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» like echo that that some citizens
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the and the work they put in. I'll
appreciate that. It's it's all volunteer

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and it's it's good work. Um in addition
to Kevin Walker, I think Brian Neck was

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part of that too and it's it's right at
the end of Cliffside and military can go

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by and check it out. That's citizens
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a little bit of a help with some soil
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so good and so appreciative. Thank you.
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council comments, but I do want to
commend uh Kevin and and Brian. I've

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talked to both of them. Uh but I also
want to thank Frank and Johnny for all

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the work that they've done and getting
the materials over there to help them.

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Uh you can have a great vision, but if
you don't have the stuff to work with,

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you you don't have the stuff to work
with. It's having a really great set of

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Play-Doh as a kiddo, but if you don't
have the little extrusion devices, you

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can't do the really cool stuff with the
Play-Doh. So, thank you guys for helping

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out with Kevin and Brian so very much.
Um, brings us to item number five,

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presentations, commentations, and
announcements. Proclamations

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2026 Independence Day event sponsors. Uh
we are absolutely blessed to have so

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many sponsors that make such a big
difference in Shavano Park and we have

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some that have been here for years and
others that have come and gone from a

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time to time. Um and then of course we
have our Shavano Park women who just

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have made all the difference in the
world. They have been the glue that has

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hold this held this community together
for 71 years and and the city has only

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been here for 70. So, uh, they have just
made all the difference in the world. I

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suggested that when they did their 70th
anniversary that they wear t-shirts that

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said 70 years of excellence because it
has been 70 years of of excellence for

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them, but some of them it was just too
darn close to their age and they didn't

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want to put on that 70 years. So, I I
can fully understand that. Uh, we have

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we have five five entities that we're
going to recognize this evening. Uh,

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CERS Engineer is our first. Do I have
anybody from Collier's engineering to

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accept the proclamation?
I didn't see anybody come in from Cyers.

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We get to see them all the time. They
probably are thinking, golly, we'll pick

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those up on some other time because uh
we do spend so much time with them and

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and I'll thank them individually.

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The next one is Martin Marietta. Do I
have anybody from Martin? Oh, great.

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Great. Come on down. Uh, and I'll even
give you a chance to to give a little

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bit of information about yourself.
I'm going to come out there and we're

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going to take a picture together.

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Just just a couple of words that I'll
say uh going going back over 25 years.

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Martin Marietta has been on this side on
this side. Uh has been instrumental in

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our communities going back to when Tommy
Payton got them involved in our

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community. They have done barbecues for
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we come forward to today and Martin
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century later has been perhaps our
longest sustaining supporter outside of

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the Shavano Park women and and on behalf
of the city of Shavano Park I want to

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thank you for your great contribution
and all that you do for us. Keep up the

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great work and appreciate everything.
Thank you so much. [applause]

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is well it may not be in the right
order. Uh the next one is recognizing

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Petland.
Come on down

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Glenn. We appreciate you coming down
today to be with us. Uh we are excited

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to have you as a part of the Shavano
Park community. Y'all have made a great

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contribution over there. We were
concerned about getting that uh that

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development center uh in place and y'all
have been the anchor for it. Thank you

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for all that you do in Shavano Park.
Keep up the great work.

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And then for all of you who came to our
Independence Day celebration, and I hope

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almost everybody did that's here, uh,
y'all got to have some of the best

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fajitas in Texas. And and I'm going to
tell you that y'all enjoyed them so much

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and y'all got such healthy portions of
them that by the time I got there, there

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wasn't anything left but the crumbs. and
and so I don't know if that was planned

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in advance that we're going to have a
really great time and feed all the

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citizens and all the participants, but
we're not going to feed the mayor. But

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it worked out perfectly. I want to tell
you it worked out perfectly. And so

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today we got uh Brandon and Evan here to
to be with us today. Come on down,

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gentlemen.
Uh, these guys were part of the cooking

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team that provided us the most the best
fajitas in Texas, I believe, is the way

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that I described it in the chef in our
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[applause] Y'all have done an amazing
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These guys are doing an awesome job.

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Item 5.2, Proclamation, San Antonio
Rodeo uh Radio Club and Amateur Radio

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Week. Uh for 105 years, the San Antonio
Radio Club has been active in our

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community. Uh these are the guys that
during World War I were um World War II,

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Korea, Vietnam, and coming all the way
forward to today were bouncing things

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off the ionosphere and telling us, "Hey,
this is what's happening over in Burma

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or in Saipan or wherever else around the
world because they're there to take care

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of radio communications in the event of
catastrophes. They do an absolutely

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amazing job. We're so excited to have
them be in our pavilion. It makes it a

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whole lot more comfortable. Uh I I have
gone to be with them every one of the

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last uh 12 years except for COVID year
in which case they still had their their

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annual event. They just didn't have it
here in Shavano Park. Uh they had the

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highest participation of any year that
we have had in Shavano Park. Really

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great to see an organization. You think
about an organization that's 100 years

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old and you're thinking that all the
members are 100 years old, but that's

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not the way that it is with the San
Antonio radio club. And um today we've

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got John April with us to accept the
proclamation on behalf of the

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» All right.
grab my grab my phone if you don't mind.

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I'd just like to say uh quick word here
uh about this certificate, the

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president's certificate of appreciation
uh that uh uh on behalf of the San

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Antonio radio club. I'd like to present
this president's certificate of

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appreciation to the city of Shavono
Park. For more than two decades, the

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city has graciously hosted our annual
amateur radio relay league field day

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exercise. Your continued support
um has provided us with a place to not

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only train for emergency communications,
but also to invite members of the public

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to experience the amateur uh radio
firsthand.

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Every year, people who have never
touched a radio before have had the

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opportunity to get on the air, learn
about emergency communication, and see

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how volunteers can serve their
communities when they're uh needed most.

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So, we sincerely appreciate the city's
participation or partnership,

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hospitality, and commitment to public
this public event, its mission a su a

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success every year. Your support has
helped make field day a tradition that

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strengthens emergency preparedness,
promotes public awareness, and connects

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our community with the important role of
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So, thank you.

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» [applause]

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» Okay. Item 5.3, recognition
police officer Espinosa and Officer

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Schumacher for their DWI
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2024 and 2025. Chief,
>> hey, good evening, Mayor and Council.

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So, every year the police department
recognizes uh one officer within the

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department that has most DWI related uh
arrests. And historically, we submit

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that nomination to Mothers Against Drunk
Drivers, MAD, who has an annual lunchon

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every year. Um, they historically, they
used to do it within every Texas region.

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However, in 2024, they cut back and held
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one being Dallas, the other being
Houston. Um, so we were unable to make

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those locations. Um, so in order to keep
with the tradition, um, we're going to

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begin to host these recognitions here
within the city council, uh, for our

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department. And so with that, I'd like
to recognize, um, officer Espinosa with

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the most DWI related arrest for calendar
year 2024 and officer Brandon Schemacher

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for the most DWI related arrests for the
calendar year 2025.

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[applause]

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Go up and get a picture.

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Officer. Yeah. Bring your whole family
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» please.

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I'll get him.

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Item 5.4, Four, recognition, excellence
in performance for the fire department

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shift C emergency management services
EMS for the quarter ending June 30th for

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life-saving efforts.
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» thank you, Mayor and Council. Uh first,
I'd like to thank uh Chief Fox for

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bringing this to my attention and uh
actually making this nomination for the

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uh employee or in this case the
employees of the quarter. Uh on the

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morning of May 14th, 2026, shortly after
8:00 a.m., Sea Shift responded to the

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scene for uh an initial report of a
female having seizures at one of our

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local medical offices. Uh as they
arrived on scene, they found a

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27year-old female that was actually in
cardiac arrest and uh was after being

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administered anesthesia for a medical
procedure. Uh staff on scene had started

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CPR just prior to EMS arriving. uh
C-shift was able to uh start focusing on

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the patient and began man administering
an a higher level of care for the

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patient. Um along with uh CPR, a number
of medications were administered as well

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as u establishing IV access that not
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the uh facility. Uh, in this instance,
the doctor was attempting to do this and

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our staff actually was able to get the
IV long before the doctor did. Not

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saying anything bad about the doctor,
but just telling you about the

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professionalism of uh of our paramedics.
Uh, initially uh the there was a

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advanced airway that was initiated as
well and uh we continued our efforts as

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the crew moved the patient to the
ambulance. Um the patient was reassessed

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shortly after getting the into the
ambulance which was common for us and we

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had the patient had actually regained a
pulse and uh was breathing and her heart

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was beating on her own. Uh she was
transported to the hospital and his last

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reports uh is still under medical care
but is alive and doing well. So, uh,

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responding to the call that morning were
Captain Tom Gross, Lieutenant Jeff

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Kyper, who is actually the paramedic in
charge of the patient, firefighter

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paramedic Ben Bingham, uh, firefighter
paramedic Fame Morales, who is actually

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on vacation today and unable to attend,
and firefighter EMT David Sandival. So,

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uh, I've said it before and I'll say it
again. I look good because these guys

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make me look good. Uh, it's because of
their efforts, and I greatly appreciate

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all of them. [applause]
behalf

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[applause]

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of the city.

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» [applause]

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» You know, I I just will say something
because we've had an opportunity to um

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recognize our police officers and our
fire, our first responders tonight. uh

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the police officers who try to keep our
road safe

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and uh you know you pull someone over
and uh if they're intoxicated impair

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impaired you know they really have a
responsibility to keep the road safe and

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it may not be a pleasant task at times
but it is important one so thank you

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very much for doing that and then the
fact that every day our paramedics get

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called out for one to two or three or
four uh EMS calls

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and they're providing life-saving um
capability and services is just

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absolutely amazing. You're making all of
you are making a difference in our

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residents, our citizens lives, and you
set a great example. Thank you so much.

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I appreciate everybody that has come uh
this evening to join us. Uh, you know,

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y'all are welcome to leave now or at any
time in the future as far as the

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meeting's concerned, but thank y'all for
each coming here. Y'all have make a

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gigantic difference in our community at
our community events. We appreciate all

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of the quarters and and decades in many
cases of contributions that you've made

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to our community. Uh, brings us to item
number six, consent agenda. All matters

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listed under this item are considered
routine by the city council and will be

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enacted by one motion. There will not be
separate discussion of these items. If

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discussion is desired by any alderman on
any item, that item will be removed from

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the consent agenda and will be
considered separately. Do I have a

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motion to accept and or approve item 6.1
through 6.3?

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» Mayor, I would like to pull one of the
items.

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» No, you're not there yet. This is item
six,

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» the consent agenda.

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Do you want to pull any of 6.1 through
6.3?

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Okay. Do you have a motion for me?
>> I'd like it to have a motion.

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» Okay. We have a motion from Lee. Do I
have a second?

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» A second from Conrad. Okay. [laughter]
Uh there being no discussion, all in

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favor say I. I.
>> All oppose. Same sign. The motion

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carries.
Uh 40.

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City manager report. All matters listed
under this item considered routine by

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the city council and will only be
considered at the request of one or more

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alderman. Coincident with each listed
item, discussion will generally occur.

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Pete, I think you have a question.
>> I I do. I would like to pull item 7.4,

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which is the police department activity
report.

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» Okay. Uh we request to pull item 7.4,
for police activity report. Uh I'm going

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to need for somebody to go get the chief
for us so that he can discuss that. Uh

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does anybody wish to pull any of the
other items? Okay, there being no

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request. Chief, if you come on down and
uh Pete has a few questions concerning

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the uh police activity report. Of course
he does. So, [laughter]

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so, so chief, I I I'm so excited about
Desavalis coming to a completion, but

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one of the hardest things for me is to
go 25 miles an hour down that road. Uh,

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could you please uh tell us what what
are the plans to change that speed limit

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back from 25 to 35? And do you need
council's uh approval or guidance on

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that? Uh well, if you remember when we
lowered it, we did it on an emergency

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basis um because it was a construction
area and we felt there was a safety

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hazard. Uh and then when we formalized
it with council, I believe the

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stipulation was upon uh project
completion or council approval. Um, and

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this morning talking with city manager
during our morning huddle, I believe he

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said that they were doing a walkthrough
on Thursday to determine project

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completion or we can do it through city
council actions.

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» Yeah, the project uh will will be
complete Thursday. We're going to do a

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walkthrough punch list and then we plan
to raise the uh speed limit to 35.

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» We could get a standing ovation for that
one, I think, from everybody in the

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community. So, thank you for clarifying
that, Chief. We appreciate it so much.

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» Okay, brings us to our regular agenda
items. Um, Buddy Alamon is in court. He

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has been called for jury duty and he is
waiting for his panel to be released. We

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do have several action items that are on
the agenda. And um without objection,

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I'm going to start at the bottom of the
agenda until Buddy arrives and then we

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will go to the regular agendas. Without
objection, we're going to go to item

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810, discussion action, review of the
annual budget calendar. Um, we were just

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meeting at a special meeting and we have
two more dates. Uh, Brenda, uh, are we

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we have those dates that you previously
provided. If you would just take a

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couple of minutes to advise the public
concerning that.

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» Uh, yes sir. So, in September, we have a
special council meeting um for the first

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reading of the budget. That is on
Monday, September 14th. That'll be at

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5:30. And then in September, on Monday
the 21st, we were we will be having the

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crime control board meeting at 6:15. And
then the regular city council meeting at

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6:30. That will be the second reading of
the budget, uh the ordinance for the

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budget approval, as well as the uh tax
rate resolution approval. Okay. Uh, do

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we have a motion to set the September 20
uh, September 14th and 21st meetings

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except the fiscal year 2026 27 budget
calendar is submitted and confirmed

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dates for the September 14th special
council meeting at 5:30 and the

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September 21st crime control prevention
district board of directors meeting at

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6:15 with the regular council meeting to
immediately follow. Do we have a motion?

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Make that motion.
>> We have a motion from Conrad. We have a

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second from Lee. There being no
discussion, all in favor say I.

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» I.
>> All oppose. Same sign. The motion

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carries. 40.
Uh item 8.9 discussion action ordinance

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0.201004
amending the fiscal year 202526

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budget. This is an administrative uh
change which means it will be take

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effect immediately. Build. Are you or
Brenda going to talk first?

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» Brenda.
>> All right. Thank you. So, we staff has a

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number of items to propose amendments to
the fiscal year 26 budget. So, they

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include uh development fees. The city
has received almost 109,000 in

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development fees relating to the
platting of the pit and the final plat

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of Napier Park. So, amounts received are
typically transferred to the capital

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replacement fund for future
infrastructure expenditures. So, we are

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proposing an increase to the development
fee revenue line item as well as an

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increase to the transfer to the capital
replacement fund line item. And then in

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the capital replacement fund, we will
see an offsetting or corresponding

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increase in the transfer from the
general fund as a revenue line item in

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that fund. U donations. The city has
received a generous $15,000 donation

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from the star family in memory of their
daughter Lisa for improvement to the

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walking trails in the MUN tract. So we
are proposing an increase of 15,000 to

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donations and offset by an increase of
the same amount to capital improvement

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project expense line item information
technology. At its June regular council

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meeting, city council approved the
purchase of an artificial intelligence

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server at a cost not not to exceed
$25,000.

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So, the amendment proposes an increase
to capital computer equipment of the

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$25,000 and we're proposing offsetting
that with an increase um in the sale to

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city assets, the partial proceeds from
the sale of a portion of the green belt

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to a resident on Box Oak. And then the
fire department had a number of smaller

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expenditure items. They also received a
couple of uh additional revenues. So,

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they typically receive a a an trauma
grant from the Southwest Texas Regional

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Advisory uh Council. That was $5,146.
So, we're prop proposing an amendment to

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increase that revenue and increase the
offsetting grant expenditure line item.

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They received $5,200 in Firewatch
revenues from an an area assisted living

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facility when their fire alarm system
went down. So, we're going to use that

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to increase their equipment maintenance
and repair budget a little bit and their

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vehicle maintenance and repair budget.
Um, the vehicle maintenance and repair.

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Big vehicles have big bills. Uh,
ambulance uh M133B required replacement

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of its onboard AC system or AC unit, a
cost of approximately $10,300.

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We're proposing increasing their EMS
revenues by a like amount. We're doing

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very well in our collections. our our
provider there is doing a really good

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job. And then uh political instability.
We're having issues with our f fuel

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prices. So, we're going to use an
increase in the plan review fees and

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operating revenue line item to increase
the vehicle and equipment fuels to get

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them through the rest of the fiscal
year. On the police side, they've

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received a generous $3,000 donation from
a city resident who specified the use of

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the funds toward police equipment as
well as employee appreciation. So, we're

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offsetting that donation by a $3,000 in
total increase in the related expenses

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where she wanted it to go. Uh, we need
to bump up the cadet uh the the tuition

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expenditure.
When we hired the cadet, it was later in

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the budget season last year and we did
not take into account their uh their

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academy tuition. So, we need to bump
that up about $3,000. We'll we think

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we'll have some additional toying
contract revenues because we've already

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maxed out that line item. So, those are
offsetting code compliance. The cleanup

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on the 102 wagon trail for $4,500. We
had originally budgeted that last year.

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However, the work wasn't done until this
year. So, we're going to bump up our

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plan review fees to offset that. And
then the police department also had some

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00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:12,720
vehicle maintenance and repairs and uh
fuel issues. So, we're we're offsetting

411
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:16,480
those increases in expenditures with an
increase in the plan review fees. In our

412
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:21,440
community enhancement and engagement
fund, council bumped up the the budget

413
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:26,240
for the city's July 4th celebration. And
we've also received some additional

414
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:32,000
funding, especially towards the Liberty
Tree Mural. So, we're increasing our

415
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:38,640
donation revenue line item by $5,200 and
an increase of 20,450 to the city

416
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:43,920
sponsored events. And then on February 2
uh 2nd, 2022, I'm sorry, February 2nd,

417
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:48,880
2026,
city manager signed an engineering task

418
00:35:45,839 --> 00:35:52,240
order for 69 6500 for the flip cliff
side trail schematics and that was

419
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:55,359
directed to be taking out of the
community enhancement and engagement

420
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:59,680
fund. So, we're increasing that
expenditure line item by that amount.

421
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:05,920
Now, moving to the water utility fund.
The water utility purchased 37.5 acre

422
00:36:02,240 --> 00:36:11,200
feet of of water rights this October and
the city had originally budgeted

423
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:15,839
125,000. So we need to up that uh by
260,000 because that purchase price was

424
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:19,680
385,000.
We have a few smaller adjustments

425
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:24,880
proposed in the tree protection and
beautifification fund. One for the the

426
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:31,440
two municipal beehives, one for their
tree donor program. Uh we just had

427
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:35,839
approved at the last council meeting the
engineering task orders with collars for

428
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:40,640
the pavement condition index and the
Turkey Creek drainage that total 58,000.

429
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:44,560
We're proposing taking that out of our
street maintenance fund. And then also

430
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:50,400
in the capital replacement fund, in
addition to the 109 development fees at

431
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:55,280
its October 2025 meeting, council
approved up to 11,000 to reestablish or

432
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:58,240
improve the irrigation system at the
Saddle Creek Triangle for a pollinator

433
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:03,520
garden.
>> Okay. Uh thank you. You spoke more

434
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:07,359
rapidly than you normally do. Uh could
you go back and tell me again about what

435
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:12,960
happened at 102 Wagon Trail?
>> Yes. So that was the the abatement. So

436
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:19,359
last year we able we were able to clean
up most of the abated rubbish. However,

437
00:37:16,720 --> 00:37:24,079
the motor oil and cooking oil cleanup
was not able to get done until this

438
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:27,760
fiscal year. So I even though it was
budgeted for last fiscal year, the

439
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:30,960
actual expense took place this fiscal
year. So I I'm requesting that

440
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:35,440
adjustment.
>> Okay. I I I thought that it was an

441
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:40,160
additional expense. I was hoping that it
was money, but I I wasn't paying

442
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:42,320
attention well enough. Okay. Uh, Bill,
anything else that you'd like to add at

443
00:37:41,599 --> 00:37:46,560
this time?
>> Yes. Uh, great job by all the

444
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:50,800
departments doing this. Two things I
want to highlight. Number one is almost

445
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:55,040
everything she mentioned as a budget
amendment, we've already brought forth

446
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:59,920
to city council and you've already
approved and there's certainly very

447
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:05,040
little surprises or changes that just we
didn't just make it up and say, "Okay,

448
00:38:02,240 --> 00:38:11,520
uh, go forth and and approve this." The
second thing is when you say we bumped

449
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:17,280
up revenues, we we increased the revenue
um projection line in the budget, the

450
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:21,280
actual revenues already are there, you
know. So if we budgeted, let's say

451
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:24,960
$100,000 for ambulance fees and we got
110.

452
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:29,839
Most of the time we're not going to
change the budget revenue line to 110.

453
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:35,200
We're just going to keep it at 100 and
then we'll deposit that back into fund

454
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:42,320
balance. But as we receive more
ambulance fees, development fees, even

455
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:45,920
permit fees, um we're just using those
increased fees that we're actually

456
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:49,040
getting and projecting to offset the
expenses so we maintain a balanced

457
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:55,920
budget. That's always going to mention
there can be a little confusing.

458
00:38:53,200 --> 00:39:00,480
» Okay. Uh anybody have any questions,
comments, or concerns before I entertain

459
00:38:57,599 --> 00:39:07,280
a motion? Okay. Uh, do we have a motion
to approve ordinance 0 2026004

460
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:11,200
amending the fiscal year 2025 2026
budget? Um, do we have a motion?

461
00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:14,560
» Motion to approve.
>> We have a motion from Christian. We have

462
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:19,440
a second.
>> We have a second from Pete.

463
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:24,480
There being no disc. Uh, this is an
administrative ordinance which means it

464
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:28,079
takes effect immediately. Uh we will do
budget amendments for those who are

465
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:32,800
watching at home and are new to the
meetings once or twice a year. Uh

466
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:36,720
because there are things that roll
through the year and instead of amending

467
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:41,440
the budget every time that council
authorizes something, we earmark where

468
00:39:39,359 --> 00:39:47,359
the money is going to be coming from or
going to. and then we clean everything

469
00:39:44,240 --> 00:39:52,079
up in a single budgetary amendment which
actually makes our auditors much happier

470
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:58,000
than having to go through pages and
pages of changes on different city

471
00:39:54,800 --> 00:40:00,560
council agendas. Okay. Um there being no
discussion, all in favor say I.

472
00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:03,280
» I.
>> I.

473
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:08,400
» All oppose. Same sign. The motion
carries. Thank you, Brenda. Item 8.8

474
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:14,400
date discussion action setting the date
for the city sponsored events citywide

475
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:20,480
garage sale arbor day independence day
national night out our holiday festival

476
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:23,280
Christristen
>> I can do that

477
00:40:21,359 --> 00:40:30,400
» no Bill okay
>> so uh we have six primarily primary csp

478
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:37,040
sponsored events uh garage sale the
arbor independence day national night

479
00:40:33,359 --> 00:40:42,160
out trunk or treat and holiday festival
And we typically try to schedule them at

480
00:40:39,119 --> 00:40:46,560
the same about same time every year. But
we found that if we get out in front of

481
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:50,720
this earlier than we used to like we
used to do this in October, November and

482
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:54,880
then things to get tightened up that we
can start reserving the things we need

483
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:59,440
to we can inform our employees the
employees a lot of them who have to work

484
00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:03,920
on that on those weeks uh work through
that. So um do we have the calendar

485
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:09,119
here?
Okay. So, I'll just go down the line one

486
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:13,200
way or the other. We're really looking
at uh we have two options for the

487
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:18,480
citywide garage sale. March 6th or the
13th. We note that the Blackman spring

488
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:23,280
break is the 8th through the 12th and
that tw March 27th is the Easter

489
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:27,839
weekend. So, we're proposing that we do
this on the 13th. And so, uh we'll come

490
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:31,680
I I'll just go through all this. If
there's any comments, we'll go from

491
00:41:29,119 --> 00:41:37,680
there. Arbor Earth Day, we try to do it
in midappril. Um they're actually Earth

492
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:43,920
Day is actually in April. Arbor Day is
usually in the fall. We combine that

493
00:41:40,720 --> 00:41:49,760
because the Fiesta is the 15th through
the 25th and and 24th, 25th are the

494
00:41:47,119 --> 00:41:54,240
biggest days in Fiesta because it's
towards the end. We're recommending that

495
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:59,359
our Earth Day celebrations are Saturday,
April 17th.

496
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:06,079
the Independence Day which is usually
was always on the 4th of July. We we

497
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:12,160
have historically done this on the
Saturday prior to that that uh allows

498
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:18,560
people to enjoy other activities on the
4th of July including our employees. The

499
00:42:15,839 --> 00:42:25,280
uh June 26 is the Saturday before the
4th of July. And then I make note also

500
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:30,880
that the radio club which was recognized
earlier they will come at the conclusion

501
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:37,119
of that and they'll have their annual
radio field day the 26th and 27th. July

502
00:42:34,319 --> 00:42:42,160
4th is a Sunday. So we did not do that
July 3rd. We pushed it you know

503
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:46,400
basically up one day one one week there.
National night out national night outs

504
00:42:44,319 --> 00:42:53,119
always the first Tuesday of October.
That's October 5th this year. Um, and so

505
00:42:51,359 --> 00:42:57,359
that's worked pretty good. In in
previous years they've that's been a

506
00:42:55,200 --> 00:43:02,240
conflict with the Texas Municipal League
conference, but they've moved that to

507
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:08,960
later October, November. So that's good.
Um, we're proposing that

508
00:43:05,119 --> 00:43:13,839
trunk or treat be on October 24th, which
is a week in advance, so that's not

509
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:19,119
conflicting directly with actual trunker
Halloween. But that would be Sunday,

510
00:43:16,319 --> 00:43:24,720
October 24th.
And finally, the December um holiday

511
00:43:21,839 --> 00:43:29,760
event centered around Christmas is
historically the first Saturday in

512
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:37,200
December. That first Saturday is
December 4th. So, we're throwing that

513
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:42,800
out. Um the city
plans and we budget it for those amount

514
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:46,160
and we're asking for approval of those
dates at this time.

515
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:51,040
» Okay. Thank you very much, Bill.
Appreciate the input. Um the Arbor Day

516
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:56,079
Earth Day is something that's beencome
become something of a tradition in

517
00:43:52,720 --> 00:44:00,480
Shavano Park. The the trunk or treat
will be coordinating with the Shavano

518
00:43:57,839 --> 00:44:06,319
Park women and and families across the
community national night out. Uh is the

519
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:12,560
police department going to actually be
able to come up to the standard of the

520
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:19,040
fire department this last year?
>> Okay. I just want to make sure. and uh

521
00:44:15,599 --> 00:44:24,319
Independence Day uh the the rationale
for doing it a full week plus is that in

522
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:31,520
Shavano Park a lot of people are going
to go and travel on the 4th the 3rd 4th

523
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:36,160
of July and so we have this wonderful
event and nobody would be showing up. Uh

524
00:44:34,079 --> 00:44:42,960
the great thing about December the 4th
on our on our holiday festival is

525
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:48,079
Santa Claus is going to be here. I I can
just guarantee you Santa Claus is going

526
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:54,319
to be here and it's going to snow. It
snows every first uh first Saturday in

527
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:57,920
December. So, I know that I know that
for all the children who are watching

528
00:44:56,079 --> 00:45:01,760
right now that they're thinking, golly,
is Santa Claus going to show up in

529
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:05,520
Shavano Park and is it going to snow?
And the answer is it's going to snow.

530
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:09,280
And we have a city ordinance out there
someplace. I haven't been able to find

531
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:12,720
it, but you can throw snowballs at
fathers and grandfathers all you want,

532
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:17,920
but you can't throw snowballs at your
mothers and grandmothers without

533
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:21,040
specific permission. Uh Pete probably
has the ordinance. He may have pulled it

534
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:24,560
out of the books just because he was
tired of getting his granddaughter

535
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:29,599
throwing snowballs at him, but we're
going to be doing a lot of fun. So, uh,

536
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:35,440
we have a motion to approve the the
dates as proposed as outlined above, uh,

537
00:45:33,119 --> 00:45:39,599
for city sponsored events, the garage
sale, Arbor Day, Earth Day, Independence

538
00:45:37,599 --> 00:45:43,440
Day, National Night Out, Trunk or Treat,
the Holiday Event. Uh, do we have a

539
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:47,280
motion?
We have a motion from Lee. Do we have a

540
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:51,440
second?
>> Second.

541
00:45:47,839 --> 00:45:56,000
» We have a second from Conrad.
>> Is there any discussion? There being no

542
00:45:53,839 --> 00:45:59,280
discussion, all in favor say I. I
>> I

543
00:45:56,720 --> 00:46:09,560
» All oppose. Same sign. The motion
carries. Pete, did I hear you? Okay.

544
00:46:04,240 --> 00:46:09,560
Okay. Uh, brings us to

545
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:17,920
item 8.7, discussion action, setting the
dates. Oh, we already did that. Sorry

546
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:23,200
about that. Um, 8.6, discussion action
considering the creation of an ad hoc.

547
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:27,680
Yes.
>> Oh, okay. Yes, I I didn't miss that.

548
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:32,079
Okay. Uh discussion action setting the
dates for the holiday the city holidays.

549
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:38,520
Is that going to be Bill or is that
going to be you? Okay. I think it's

550
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:38,520
Bill. Bill.

551
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:45,680
Well, uh the holidays are set by uh the
city council. We establish them in the

552
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:50,560
budget as well as the uh the employee
handbook. And so then it's just a matter

553
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:56,400
of every day, every year taking a look
at the dates that align with with what

554
00:46:53,119 --> 00:47:01,440
we normally do. Um,
see, let's see. I'm trying to think if

555
00:46:58,240 --> 00:47:07,760
there was any abnormal days.
Christmas Day. Okay. Yeah. So,

556
00:47:05,839 --> 00:47:13,680
we had an option to move Christmas Eve
to the 23rd and Christmas Day to the

557
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:19,119
24th or leave Christmas Eve as the 24th,
then bump the the Christmas Day

558
00:47:15,839 --> 00:47:23,760
celebration holiday until the 27th.
Staff is recommending that we keep

559
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:28,640
Christmas Eve at the 24th and then just
bump the Christmas Day holiday to the

560
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:34,480
27th. Effectively gives us a 4-day
weekend. We know that most years most of

561
00:47:31,839 --> 00:47:41,920
our staff take off between Christmas and
New Year's anyway and this um

562
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:48,480
the schedule facilitates that.
Okay. Uh Bill, did we have 14 days last

563
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:54,720
year? Um I know that we've got one of
these that's a floating holiday for uh

564
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:59,440
first responders day, which isn't listed
as an optional. Last year we had it

565
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:05,280
listed as an optional holiday that you
could take one or the other of a

566
00:48:02,079 --> 00:48:08,640
different day on here. Um
we we've done that historically. Do we

567
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:13,200
still do that in our handbook?
>> Yes. Um in the handbook in the handbook

568
00:48:11,119 --> 00:48:18,000
it'll state that they'll be able to swap
out a Veterans Day for another holiday

569
00:48:15,839 --> 00:48:23,359
if they'd prefer. I to my knowledge
nobody has ever taken up that. So, so

570
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:27,040
Veterans Day is we have 13 holidays and
Veterans Day is an optional holiday or

571
00:48:25,359 --> 00:48:31,839
we're closed on Veterans Day this year.
>> We always have for Well, correction,

572
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:37,119
last year you added New Year's Eve,
which gave us 14 holidays. When they add

573
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:42,160
Patriots Day, which is the 911 day, it
does not add a holiday.

574
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:46,319
» That's the optional one. Patriots Day is
the optional. They can swap it out.

575
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:53,359
» Okay.
Okay. Uh, do we have a motion to approve

576
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:57,680
the 2027 official holiday schedule as
presented?

577
00:48:55,839 --> 00:49:00,480
» We have a motion from Lee.
>> Second.

578
00:48:58,319 --> 00:49:05,000
» We have a second from Conrad. We're now
open for discussion. Is there any

579
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:05,000
discussion?

580
00:49:05,119 --> 00:49:08,319
There being no discussion, all in favor
say I.

581
00:49:07,599 --> 00:49:12,000
» I.
>> I.

582
00:49:09,119 --> 00:49:18,400
» All oppose. Same sign. The motion
carries. Item 8.6, Six discussion action

583
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:23,200
consideration for creating an ad hoc
city of Shavano Park bee committee for

584
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:26,240
the purpose of maintaining healthy
beehives [clears throat]

585
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:31,920
in a safe environment while promoting
educational activities. Uh Peter, are

586
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:36,880
you going to talk or is this going to be
Bill? So I think it's gonna be Bill.

587
00:49:35,699 --> 00:49:43,280
[laughter]
Is it gonna be Pet or Bill?

588
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:49,280
I'm happy to do it. But maybe maybe it's
a co-effort.

589
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:52,160
» I'll uh I'll kick it off, Bill. So, one
of the things is uh three months ago,

590
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:56,480
it's hard to believe we've had bees in
Shavano Park for three months. But one

591
00:49:54,720 --> 00:50:00,800
of the the key things we started to do
is is we want to be more systematic in

592
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:04,960
the way that we manage those bees. And
so, Bill and I have actually put

593
00:50:02,319 --> 00:50:09,040
together almost a tiered type of
philosophy. And the first has to do with

594
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:12,800
establishing and learning. And so that's
establish the bees and then making sure

595
00:50:11,119 --> 00:50:16,720
we know how to take care of them. And so
Bill and I have actually been working

596
00:50:14,559 --> 00:50:20,880
with Heather Wilps very closely and she
has been a great mentor. We've been to

597
00:50:18,240 --> 00:50:25,680
classes as well uh and have learned a
lot about bees. One of the things I was

598
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:29,839
really surprised at though that I didn't
expect is one of the things that I've

599
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:35,440
learned the most is about risk and the
risk of bees that uh you know our bees

600
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:39,440
are relatively tame but we have a lot of
bees in Shavano Park that are wild bees

601
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:43,760
and by kind of going through this
process we have learned a lot more about

602
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:48,079
bees and the risks associated with bees
and how to how to manage those bees.

603
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:52,240
This this the next tier that we were
talking about was actually maintain and

604
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:57,119
protect. And that would involve, you
know, making sure that we have the

605
00:50:53,440 --> 00:51:02,079
honeybees and and start to establish a
uh a a group that would that would help

606
00:50:59,359 --> 00:51:06,400
do that, make this sustainable. Uh and
then tier three would be to promote and

607
00:51:04,240 --> 00:51:11,200
educate. Again, the whole purpose of
this is to educate our community of the

608
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:15,839
importance of bees. uh to talk about
insecticides and the harm that that does

609
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:18,960
to the bees and and to make sure that
people understand the importance that

610
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:23,200
they bring.
Uh it's it's actually been interesting

611
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:28,880
because we've uh both Bill and I have
joined the Alamo uh Beekeepers

612
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:33,599
Association and we have I didn't think
anybody else had bees within Shaveo Park

613
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:38,079
except for uh Heather and we're starting
to find out that multiple people have

614
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:44,960
have bees and and we've met some at the
uh the Alamo uh uh beekeepers

615
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:48,880
association. So the concept here is and
what we originally when we started this

616
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:52,400
is how do you educate people in the
general public but one of the things

617
00:51:50,240 --> 00:51:57,520
that we're finding more important is how
do you educate beekeepers

618
00:51:55,040 --> 00:52:01,040
uh that have different challenges and
interface with different things. So it's

619
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:05,359
it's the ability to bring a community
together so we can learn together. Bill,

620
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:11,119
what did I leave out and and what else
do you want to add to it? Yeah. So,

621
00:52:07,599 --> 00:52:16,559
again, um not to belver it too long, but
keeping bees alive and safe is is

622
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:20,240
challenging. Mostly alive because if you
don't have the right conditions, uh

623
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:27,680
they'll swarm and find another nest and
you've lost your hive. Um our hives are

624
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:31,760
queen from uh very domestic uh bred
bees. Believe it or not, they have a

625
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:36,160
pedigree, so to speak, and they come
from Northern California where there's

626
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:41,119
never been um exposed to Africanized
bees. And by having them produce males,

627
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:45,280
which are called drones, that they're
out in the neighborhoods, any wild

628
00:52:43,359 --> 00:52:49,119
hives, actually will breed into them and
they'll breed into the very um tame

629
00:52:47,839 --> 00:52:53,920
amount. So, we're actually doing a
service there. But, we thought about the

630
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:59,200
amount of work we do. We check it twice,
once uh once every two weeks. It's not

631
00:52:56,000 --> 00:53:05,119
very hard. It's about a an hour's worth
of work and uh it's going to be fun, but

632
00:53:02,720 --> 00:53:08,640
we need to be able to sustain that as
well as educate that. And so when you're

633
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:13,119
talking about education programs, we
need a few more people to help us out.

634
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:17,520
Uh there's a resident on Cliffside and
one on on Bent Oak that have hives,

635
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:21,920
believe it or not. And we know there's
wild hives around because when we're

636
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:27,040
doing construction projects, they're in
trees and we discover them. Um and we

637
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:32,079
work through that. So, we're proposing
that a staff member, an alderman, three

638
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:39,040
residents, and a subject matter expert
to act as an adviser form this ad hoc

639
00:53:35,119 --> 00:53:44,000
bee um um committee. And they would be
tasked with responsibilities such as

640
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:49,680
maintaining the healthy beehive,
uh maintaining a safe beehive site,

641
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:53,440
coordinating educational activities,
helping coordinate Arbor Earth Day

642
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:59,359
educational activities to include
speakers andor a booth andor a visit to

643
00:53:56,480 --> 00:54:03,200
the uh to the beehives itself and
monitoring and fulfilling annual

644
00:54:01,119 --> 00:54:07,440
requirements to B City USA. We are B
city USA but there are some requirements

645
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:13,839
that take you to reapplication every
time. Uh we we also attended a honeym uh

646
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:19,200
uh class on last not this Saturday but
the Saturday before and it's fascinating

647
00:54:16,559 --> 00:54:23,599
and it would be perfect to have it um
pull out some honey in a year or two and

648
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:27,839
then have a demonstration have uh
residents come and and help participate

649
00:54:25,599 --> 00:54:31,920
in that and then pour their honey right
into jars and take it home with them. So

650
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:35,359
we're excited about that. But this is
intended also to help with the

651
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:38,960
continuity of the hive. So there's just
not two people trying to take care of

652
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:43,000
it, but we're spreading the wealth and
educating at the same time.

653
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:48,559
» Sorry. Thank you very much. Okay. Uh at
this time, Pete, I'm going to entertain

654
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:52,640
a motion from you to approve the
creation of an ad hoc city of Shavano

655
00:54:50,559 --> 00:54:57,520
Park B committee. I'd like for you to
name the one staff member, one alderman,

656
00:54:54,960 --> 00:55:02,160
three residents, and one subject matter
expert as advisor for the purposes of

657
00:55:00,240 --> 00:55:04,800
maintaining healthy beehives in a safe
environment while promoting educational

658
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:09,040
activities.
>> So moved.

659
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:13,760
» No, no. You you you get to name six
people. You have to name six people.

660
00:55:12,319 --> 00:55:15,119
» Well, we don't have the residents yet.
We were gonna

661
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:22,400
» You don't have the res.
>> We're going to throw out, you know, a

662
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:26,240
sane and a castinet and is the alderman.
No, no, I don't think so. I I think that

663
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:30,800
what you can do is that you can name
your staff member, your alderman, and

664
00:55:28,559 --> 00:55:34,800
your subject matter expert, and leave it
to the three of them to name the three

665
00:55:32,720 --> 00:55:38,000
uh residents if that's acceptable to
council.

666
00:55:36,079 --> 00:55:43,040
» So, I'd be the alderman, it would be
Bill for the city. It would be uh

667
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:47,760
Heather Wilt for uh for our
>> Okay. So, state that as a motion and

668
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:52,880
then also say that the three will
designate the three residents. Uh so the

669
00:55:50,799 --> 00:56:00,079
motion is motion to approve the creation
of an ad hoc city of Shavano Park B

670
00:55:55,680 --> 00:56:05,680
committee with uh Bill Hill as the staff
member. Uh myself as the alderman uh

671
00:56:03,599 --> 00:56:09,920
three residents to be named at a
separate time

672
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:16,319
and uh the subject matter expert would
be Heather Wilt.

673
00:56:12,319 --> 00:56:20,240
» Okay. uh as as uh the for the purpose of
maintaining healthy beehives in a safe

674
00:56:18,079 --> 00:56:24,480
environment while promoting educational
activities.

675
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:29,680
» Okay. You said at a later time uh the
three residents to be selected by the

676
00:56:26,720 --> 00:56:34,480
three members of the committee or to
come back to council.

677
00:56:32,079 --> 00:56:39,440
» Uh
>> okay. To be named by the committee.

678
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:43,920
Okay. No, that's okay. Great. Okay. So,
we have a motion to approve the

679
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:46,720
creation. Do we have a second?
>> Second.

680
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:51,280
» We have a second from Conrad Christian.
I don't think you're going to be on this

681
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:55,599
committee. Sorry. We have a motion to
approve the creation of an ad hoc city

682
00:56:53,040 --> 00:57:00,240
of Shabano Park B committee uh
consisting of Bill Hill as a staff

683
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:04,400
member.
uh Pete Miller as an alderman, three

684
00:57:02,559 --> 00:57:08,559
residents to be maimed by the other
members of the committee, one subject

685
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:13,040
matter expert, Heather
Wilk, uh for the purpose of maintaining

686
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:17,599
healthy beehives in the city of Shavano
Park, promoting educational activities.

687
00:57:15,839 --> 00:57:24,960
Um
we have a motion and a second.

688
00:57:20,559 --> 00:57:27,760
Do we have any discussion?
There being no discussion, all in favor

689
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:31,040
say I.
>> I.

690
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:37,040
All oppose. Same sign. The motion
carries. 40.

691
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:40,960
Okay. Item 8.5, discussion, action,
boards and commissions, appointment,

692
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:44,640
designation of council subcommittee
members to review and provide

693
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:48,559
recommendations.
Uh Kristen, do you want to do this or do

694
00:57:47,119 --> 00:57:56,079
you want me to do this? Okay. Every year
we uh in the August time period name a

695
00:57:52,880 --> 00:58:00,880
number of people I guess September name
new members to our various committees.

696
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:04,880
the uh planning and zoning commission,
the board of adjustments, the tree and

697
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:09,280
beautifification committee, the water
committee, the investment committee. Uh

698
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:16,799
there are 18 slots that are available
this year. We have already had 14 or 15

699
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:20,400
um applications for those committees. Uh
what we have been doing the last several

700
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:26,160
years is that there have been two
council members who have been reviewing

701
00:58:23,359 --> 00:58:30,079
the applications uh having interviews
with the people so that we have an

702
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:35,040
opportunity to know the people who are
coming on board uh and explain what the

703
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:41,599
committee system is about and it's been
really quite successful. Um

704
00:58:38,799 --> 00:58:45,280
Pete uh I'm uh you seem to have drawn
the black bean and you were the

705
00:58:43,119 --> 00:58:52,640
perpetual member on this so I'm going to
that you make a motion to appoint um

706
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:57,760
two people to the boards and subcom uh
commission subcommittee.

707
00:58:55,440 --> 00:59:02,400
» So yeah, I'll be I'll be glad to
volunteer again. I uh I think it it

708
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:06,480
brings a lot to be able to to sit down
and really talk to people and understand

709
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:11,599
what their desires are and to understand
how the where the best fit for them is.

710
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:15,680
Uh, you know, I one of the person that I
learned a lot from was Maggie and uh and

711
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:20,079
she played the other part of the role
that we had and since uh Christian has

712
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:23,680
actually taken Maggie's role, I I think
he needs to take her his role here. So,

713
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:24,880
if he's willing to be I'd be honored,
too.

714
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:30,079
» Okay. Thank you.
>> So, let's see your motion. So, the

715
00:59:27,599 --> 00:59:36,480
motion is to approve the appointment of
Alderman Pete Miller and uh and uh

716
00:59:33,839 --> 00:59:41,680
Christristen Christian uh to the board
of commissions and sub to the board and

717
00:59:38,799 --> 00:59:47,520
commission subcommittee.
>> Okay, we have a motion from uh from Pete

718
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:54,240
with a second from from [clears throat]
Lee. Do we have any discussion?

719
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:58,720
There being disc no discussion, all in
favor say I. I. I.

720
00:59:56,880 --> 01:00:06,960
» All oppose. Same sign. The motion
carries. 40 O. U. Without objection.

721
01:00:04,559 --> 01:00:10,559
We're going to dispense with it. We're
going to pull item four discussion

722
01:00:08,559 --> 01:00:16,000
action approval of city group medical
dental vision life insurance for fiscal

723
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:20,720
year 2027 and authorizing this city
manager to enter into an agreement. Do I

724
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:24,880
have any objection to pulling that item
from the agenda? There being no

725
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:28,119
objection, item 8.4 four is pulled from
the agenda.

726
01:00:28,319 --> 01:00:37,839
Uh brings us to item 8.1 discussion
action ordinance 0 2026001

727
01:00:34,799 --> 01:00:41,520
establishing a water supply fee for
water customers of the city of Shavano

728
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:46,640
Park system for the purpose of funding
the purchase of Edwards aer water

729
01:00:44,319 --> 01:00:54,799
acreage fee for the use of the water
system. U Al I'm going to recognize you

730
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:54,799
and Bill. Who's going to speak first?

731
01:00:54,942 --> 01:01:00,000
» [clears throat]
>> So, in general, I'll kind of tee it up

732
01:00:57,119 --> 01:01:04,480
and then Al's going to come up and back
stop me, but he's really going to talk

733
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:07,119
about the town hall and kind of how that
went from there.

734
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:13,359
» Yeah. I'm also going to recognize the
vice chairman if he has something to add

735
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:18,839
to this as well as
>> and Steve's here, Steve Fleming as well.

736
01:01:15,119 --> 01:01:18,839
» Yeah, Steve as well.

737
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:29,359
Okay. So, most of you know this, but the
Edwards Aquifer Authority, which is a

738
01:01:25,119 --> 01:01:35,599
regulatory uh body, governs the use of
water from Edwards Aquifer, and it

739
01:01:31,839 --> 01:01:41,040
assesses pumping restrictions each day
during the times of the lower aquifer

740
01:01:39,119 --> 01:01:45,200
and the droughts to limit the plumbing,
the pumping, and the use of the water

741
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:52,480
rights in order to maintain an adequate
water level in the aquifer. For example,

742
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:59,520
in stage three restrictions,
if you have 100 acre feet of rights,

743
01:01:56,079 --> 01:02:06,160
you're restricted 30%
and you would only able to be used uh 7%

744
01:02:03,599 --> 01:02:10,319
70% of that.
It turns out that I think it was today

745
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:14,640
or yesterday we actually moved into
stage one for the first time in a long

746
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:17,760
time. So that's that's very good. But
the hot summer is getting ready to

747
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:25,760
happen.
Um so um in this briefing again I've got

748
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:31,680
I pulled about seven or eight slides.
I did not include the entire

749
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:36,640
slide deck from the the town hall that
we did. We do have them available and we

750
01:02:34,799 --> 01:02:40,240
could refer back to them if someone has
a question on it as we move forward from

751
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:45,119
there.
But

752
01:02:42,799 --> 01:02:49,280
basically every year the water we have a
water advisory committee. is made up of

753
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:54,799
eight residents of Shav Park. They all
live in the service area that the water

754
01:02:52,079 --> 01:02:59,760
system provides. We typically meet
monthly. We develop the budget. We go

755
01:02:56,960 --> 01:03:05,200
through amendments. We look at all the
advice that needed to operate on the

756
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:09,680
water system and we always look at the
amount of pumpage of water that we have

757
01:03:07,839 --> 01:03:16,400
on a year-to- basis. In fact, we look at
it monthly and uh then we assess that.

758
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:19,920
We've uh probably been assessing the
amount of water rights authorized for

759
01:03:18,079 --> 01:03:29,119
the city of Shavon Park to pump since
the EA was formed in January of 2001.

760
01:03:24,079 --> 01:03:36,079
Uh in that year we were issued a um a
initial permit regular permit of 541

761
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:43,839
acre feet.
acref foot as you can see on the second

762
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:50,079
line there is 3,00 325,000 gallons plus
I'm told that back in the day that we

763
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:55,359
used to pump over 1,000 acre feet
sometimes 900 but I've actually seen

764
01:03:52,480 --> 01:04:01,119
records where we've had 1100 acre feet
pumped and and over time actual usage

765
01:03:59,119 --> 01:04:06,480
has gone down because people are
cognizant of the aquafer and they're

766
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:13,520
they're selfconserving so to speak just
to work through all that. But the 541

767
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:21,760
was not enough. And so there was an
initial surge in 2001, 2002, and 2003 to

768
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:28,799
purchase almost 300 more acre feet. Um
we we just recently gained some records

769
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:35,760
um where in 2003 we purchased water
rights for approximately $880

770
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:41,039
per acre foot. And so that's where we
stand. In the last three years, as

771
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:47,440
highlighted in the bottom right corner,
we have had to subleasase an additional

772
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:55,039
315 acre feet in 2023,
135 in 2024,

773
01:04:50,079 --> 01:04:59,920
and 266 acre feet in 2025. We are um
projecting already this year that we're

774
01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:06,799
going to have to lease between 100 and
200 acre feet this year. And so

775
01:05:04,319 --> 01:05:16,319
part of the consideration is you know
are you able to sub lease and what is

776
01:05:09,359 --> 01:05:20,960
the future going to um um entail. So in
the last few years we've been able to at

777
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:25,440
the last minute subleas from people is
not very easy to do. You got to really

778
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:31,920
knock on doors and find them. But we've
been able to do it at a reasonable cost.

779
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:37,599
So the proposal to um basic by by the
whack is you know we're never going to

780
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:43,760
get to where we buy enough acre feet at
least now to where we can take care of

781
01:05:40,319 --> 01:05:49,440
every single year's drought but we can
move ourselves closer to that sweet spot

782
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:55,680
where if we have to sublease we're not
trying to sublease 300 or 250 or a lot.

783
01:05:53,280 --> 01:06:02,000
we're we're at a much level much smaller
level because we don't know in 10 years

784
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:06,240
or 15 or 20 what the availability of of
subleasased property is going to be in

785
01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:11,039
terms of water rights. The other thing
that's occurring is the Edwards Aquifer

786
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:15,760
Authority is constantly changing the
rules. So it used to be when I first got

787
01:06:14,319 --> 01:06:19,680
here if you didn't pump it you didn't
have to pay for it. And then you if you

788
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:22,559
didn't pump it you could get credits for
it. Now it doesn't matter whether you

789
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:26,559
pump it or you don't pump it, you have
to pay for it. We also know that in the

790
01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:31,359
broad scheme of things, SAS is trying to
buy thousands and thousands of acre

791
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:37,119
feet. I know uh Leyon Valley is trying
to find uh acre feet. New developments

792
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:41,839
that come in um and they want Sauls to
provide the water rights to water

793
01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:45,920
service. Sauls will agree to do that
only if the developer comes in with the

794
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:51,119
water rights that they go purchase that
they can then provide. So water is a

795
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:56,400
commodity that is going to become scarce
and so generally speaking we think we

796
01:06:53,839 --> 01:07:00,559
have a small window of opportunity even
though the prices have gone up. That's

797
01:06:58,319 --> 01:07:08,319
what we're going to do. Next slide. You
can see this slide shows that in 2003

798
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:16,079
that uh line represents $880.
And then the from 2016 to 18 to

799
01:07:13,119 --> 01:07:24,240
basically 24 and 25 those are known um
price um price levels. So in 2018 when I

800
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:28,799
first got here we bought some acre feet
for uh like $5,600

801
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:32,880
and and that's what that in the middle
of the chart shows. And you can see that

802
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:39,599
that price has gone up almost double
since then. Anyway,

803
01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:44,319
um again, this is um if you were just
looking at it this year, could we

804
01:07:42,319 --> 01:07:48,240
sublease more acre feet? And the answer
of course is yes.

805
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:51,680
In 20 or 30 years, we don't know. And
this is all about protecting the water

806
01:07:50,216 --> 01:07:56,079
[clears throat] system. I don't have it
in my brief, but if you were to look at

807
01:07:53,359 --> 01:08:01,039
the slides where you show the comparison
of Shavana Park's water rates to the

808
01:07:59,119 --> 01:08:06,160
city of San Antonio's water rates,
you'll see that we're fairly comp

809
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:11,920
compatible and and and pretty much
consistent at the lower levels even

810
01:08:08,559 --> 01:08:19,040
though SAWS greatly subsidizes all their
users that are in lower economic status

811
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:27,040
or even to a degree low water users. But
once you get to past 12,000 gallons,

812
01:08:23,759 --> 01:08:32,400
18,000 gallons, you're talking about
trip double, triple, quadruple the price

813
01:08:29,759 --> 01:08:36,159
in terms of what SAS charges their
residents. And a big part of that is a

814
01:08:34,319 --> 01:08:41,600
water supply fee, which is similar to
what we're we're uh we're we're trying

815
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:45,520
to apply, but ours at a at a much stable
uh level. So again, I've already kind of

816
01:08:43,440 --> 01:08:49,759
talked about we're in a periodic
persistent drought, increased

817
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:53,359
development, limited water rights. It
doesn't actually influence what we can

818
01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:59,040
pump out of the ground. We can pump as
much as out of the ground as we want. We

819
01:08:56,480 --> 01:09:03,120
just get um fined and then we have to
pay for the water rights in rears plus

820
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:07,759
the fines and the embarrassment that
would occur. But you know what we're

821
01:09:05,440 --> 01:09:16,000
really trying to do is protect the water
rights for the long term. Next slide.

822
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:23,120
So, we bought some um water rights last
year for

823
01:09:18,719 --> 01:09:29,759
um a little over 10,000. Most of the uh
the sellers were asking 14,000, 12,000

824
01:09:27,279 --> 01:09:36,319
and through some tough negotiations,
Johnny and I um we got those for 1028

825
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:42,640
and and 105.
Um, we're for budgetary purposes we're

826
01:09:39,839 --> 01:09:48,400
saying 11,000. We may not be able to get
150 acre feet for 11,000, but if we did,

827
01:09:44,719 --> 01:09:54,159
that would be 1.65 uh million dollars.
And the water utility fund does not have

828
01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:59,040
$1.65 million hanging around. That's
about what our balance is, but we have a

829
01:09:57,120 --> 01:10:03,679
capital replacement fund. We have other
infrastructures, and we certainly don't

830
01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:06,719
want to draw down to zero. So, we're
looking at financing this to a degree,

831
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:10,400
which would mean there would be an
annual principal payment plus an

832
01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:15,199
interest payment.
The terms of that have not been

833
01:10:12,159 --> 01:10:20,960
finalized yet. So, for just for grins,
we've used five years at 3.75 because

834
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:26,159
that's what our money market is is is uh
we're making in that. Now, there's been

835
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:30,719
some upward um inflation, I mean upward
gains in the money market. So what if uh

836
01:10:28,159 --> 01:10:35,920
the terms were more like 4% and we
spread it out six years or 4% for five

837
01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:39,679
years.
You know this is something that in the

838
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:45,120
future will be determined once we buy
the water rights what's the exact terms

839
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:52,560
but for today's purposes we just have
some illustrations here and you know

840
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:57,679
shorter in a way is better to to
unencumber the the water system and the

841
01:10:55,199 --> 01:11:01,840
city from this debt but at the same time
if you can extend it then that reduces

842
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:07,840
the payment and so a lot of that will
depend upon the cost of the water and

843
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:11,920
how that flushes out at the very end.
So again, these aren't meant to be this

844
01:11:09,679 --> 01:11:16,560
is what we're what the exact terms are,
but if you look at that, that's a range

845
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:22,719
of 365,000
to $318,000.

846
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:26,960
So we go to the next slide.
>> That's per month.

847
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:32,000
» Yeah. Per
per year.

848
01:11:30,239 --> 01:11:35,199
» Oh, right. I'm sorry. Per year for the
five years.

849
01:11:33,679 --> 01:11:42,560
So now we're what we're doing is we're
looking at okay well how do we recover

850
01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:46,560
enough funds to repay the principal and
the interest in a reasonable amount of

851
01:11:44,159 --> 01:11:50,640
time. And so we came up with actually
nine options that the water advisory

852
01:11:48,719 --> 01:11:55,360
committee um looked at over a
three-month period of time. And so what

853
01:11:53,280 --> 01:11:59,600
you're going to see is option number
nine here. And prior the next slide is

854
01:11:57,679 --> 01:12:05,120
going to be eight, but I'm just going to
cover this one here briefly.

855
01:12:02,480 --> 01:12:10,000
Part of the problem is is the more you
charge for water, the less users will

856
01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:15,040
use
intuitively.

857
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:19,600
Um, so again, if you're actually looking
to pay back a known debt and we don't

858
01:12:17,440 --> 01:12:24,640
have economies of scale like SAS does,
SAS has got what 400,000 uh customers

859
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:29,280
that they residential customers that
they provide water to plus commercial.

860
01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:36,320
And so, you know, fluctuations here and
there don't have a lot of effect for

861
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:41,040
them, but has some um this first um
proposal option which is not the one

862
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:45,360
that whack recommended the water
advisory committee but is one to be

863
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:53,560
considered provides the most certainty
in the fees collected. In other words,

864
01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:53,560
if we know that we have um 684

865
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:59,840
um
customers,

866
01:12:57,199 --> 01:13:04,880
» basically residential properties, they
each have a meter. And then if you

867
01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:09,120
multiply that by 12, some of them are in
tier one for a month, some are in tier

868
01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:14,640
two, some in tier three. And you can see
that in tier six, which is over 100,000

869
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:21,440
gallons of water used, you know, there
are 153 months where one resident is

870
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:25,679
used over 100,000 gallons. We actually
make the most money when they use

871
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:32,159
100,000 gallons because it doesn't cost
near as much to produce the water as it

872
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:38,560
does to um pump it. So, um, as to
collect on it, but $36 per household,

873
01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:41,840
residential households, and there's a
couple commercials we'd have to add in

874
01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:47,199
there, [clears throat] provides us
$36,720,

875
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:50,960
and that is a known that is that will
not be var variable. That's the that's

876
01:13:49,199 --> 01:13:56,239
the
pros and advantage to this is you have a

877
01:13:53,679 --> 01:14:00,239
fixed income. But you notice that 306
still is short

878
01:13:58,400 --> 01:14:07,280
the range that we showed you. Go back to
the slide before. The slide before that

879
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:14,960
range is 312 to 365. So go back one
slide. I mean no forward two.

880
01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:20,239
So again, this is just the 36 gets you
into the ballpark. It doesn't get you to

881
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:26,496
the whole cost of that. And uh next
slide, option two.

882
01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:31,600
Here we looked at a uh a hybrid in
[clears throat] which we charge each

883
01:14:27,679 --> 01:14:38,239
household $30. And then for tiers three,
four, five, and six, there's an

884
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:45,440
additional 15 or an additional 35 or an
additional uh 25, 35, or 45. It's not

885
01:14:41,440 --> 01:14:50,880
cumulative. Okay? So if you were Sauls,
you would pay the 30 plus the 15. Then

886
01:14:47,679 --> 01:14:55,880
if you were tier 40 plus 25, plus 35,
etc. So um

887
01:14:56,400 --> 01:15:01,679
um
basically you can see the little call

888
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:05,840
out box. The estimated revenues will
float based upon the weather and demand.

889
01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:11,360
So if you have a real wet year and you
don't have as much um water used, you

890
01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:17,120
won't even pull in 307. That's the
danger behind this one. But this does

891
01:15:14,239 --> 01:15:23,360
distribute some of the cost, the extra
cost for the additional water to the

892
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:29,360
higher water users. Now, uh, tier three,
Johnny, correct me if I'm wrong. I think

893
01:15:25,440 --> 01:15:33,199
that's over, is that over 25,000 gallons
or 20,000?

894
01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:38,960
Do you remember?
Okay. Somewhere right there. Um, if you

895
01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:43,120
use 20,000 gallons, 22,000 gallons,
you're still tier two. Most of

896
01:15:41,822 --> 01:15:48,840
[clears throat] our Okay, there you go.
30,000.

897
01:15:44,719 --> 01:15:48,840
» 30,000. Go back one.

898
01:15:50,480 --> 01:15:59,199
So you look at tier three, four, five,
there's not a lot of revenue in those on

899
01:15:56,000 --> 01:16:05,520
the uh on those lines there. And again,
it'll float from there, but it does cost

900
01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:12,000
share from there. And if you look at
out of the

901
01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:18,800
numerous monthly bills,
over 6,000 of the bills were tier one,

902
01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:25,280
tier two, and probably only about 2500
are tiers 2, three, four, I mean three,

903
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:30,159
four, five, and six. So I will tell you
that the whack you looked at a model

904
01:16:27,679 --> 01:16:34,480
that was strictly based upon tiers. So
you started paying at tier one, tier

905
01:16:32,480 --> 01:16:38,960
two, tier three, tier four, tier five,
and tier six. All different amounts. We

906
01:16:37,280 --> 01:16:42,960
considered how difficult that would be
to administer

907
01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:48,560
and then the fluctuations that would
occur on them as we move forward. And we

908
01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:54,320
thought that this this hybrid model
would be about

909
01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:59,360
a balance. Next slide.
This shows you the whole tier schedule

910
01:16:56,480 --> 01:17:03,920
that we currently have.
You can see the biggest up uptick in

911
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:10,320
prices at at tier six after you use
100,000 gallons. Each um thousand

912
01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:13,920
gallons cost you 111
um

913
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:19,360
94.
Here's where you get to the specifics.

914
01:17:15,679 --> 01:17:28,239
24% of our customers bills are uh are
tier one. 48 are tier 2. That's a total

915
01:17:24,320 --> 01:17:35,199
of 72% of the customers are all tier
one, tier two and would not receive th

916
01:17:30,480 --> 01:17:40,480
those tiered um in influx.
Any questions on that?

917
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:44,719
Okay, next slide.
Okay, turn it over to Al. Sorry to keep

918
01:17:42,239 --> 01:17:49,199
you up there so long. It's it's a
pleasure to be with you tonight. We had

919
01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:53,600
the privilege of holding a town hall
meeting last Monday. We had a very good

920
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:58,880
attendance. We had considerably more
people there then than we do here

921
01:17:56,000 --> 01:18:03,120
tonight. Uh lots of good questions, a
lot of interest.

922
01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:07,920
Water issues have certainly become high
visibility in the state of Texas. Corpus

923
01:18:06,159 --> 01:18:14,400
Christi, many other cities are having
water issues. As we build out more in

924
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:19,199
this area, such as a Toyota plant, you
know, computer facilities, etc., and

925
01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:22,480
just simply people moving into the area,
there's going to be a lot of pressure on

926
01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:28,880
the water and there aren't going to be
any more tunnel water rights. So, when

927
01:18:26,159 --> 01:18:33,520
we say we're leasing water, it's a rent.
We pay rent for one year. When we

928
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:38,080
purchase water rights, it is a
contracted amount and we actually have a

929
01:18:36,239 --> 01:18:44,080
deed to it just like you're buying a
piece of property. So we had a very good

930
01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:48,800
presentation, good discussion at the uh
water advisory committee, received

931
01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:53,520
extremely positive feedback from the uh
from the citizens and I I was shocked at

932
01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:57,920
the end we actually received applause.
So I I believe Alderman Miller and

933
01:18:55,280 --> 01:19:02,560
Alderman Lions were both there and if
you have questions and you'd like a more

934
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:07,679
unbiased opinion, I'm sure either of
them could help. Um, so a lot of the

935
01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:13,120
feedback I've received both in the town
hall and also from citizens that live

936
01:19:10,239 --> 01:19:18,719
around me is people appreciate the fact
that Shavano Park allows the citizens of

937
01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:23,679
Chevo Park to make their own informed
decisions as to what they want to do

938
01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:29,280
about watering. Do they water? When do
they water? How much do they water?

939
01:19:26,239 --> 01:19:34,400
Obviously, we have a progressive uh
charge for it. So the more you use, the

940
01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:38,000
more expensive it gets per thousand. And
that's why the water advisory committee

941
01:19:36,080 --> 01:19:42,719
felt like putting a little bit of
additional burden on the higher ones was

942
01:19:40,239 --> 01:19:45,600
a fair way to do that. So I'd be happy
to entertain any questions that anybody

943
01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:49,415
might have.
>> Okay. Well, uh, I'm gonna ask the first

944
01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:53,040
question before I go down the line,
[clears throat]

945
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:59,679
and that is, um, you know, the the the
numbers of 15, 25, 35, and 45

946
01:19:57,600 --> 01:20:04,400
compared to what Bill showed us on his
water bill just seemed remarkably

947
01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:12,480
reasonable. Uh, as you went through
those tiers, did you happen to consider

948
01:20:07,199 --> 01:20:17,440
the economic impact of going 20, 30, 40,
and 50? We [clears throat] we looked at

949
01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:21,600
innumerable options. Um
>> there was a lot of debate about it. This

950
01:20:19,440 --> 01:20:25,840
was the one that we felt was probably
the best balance because the more you

951
01:20:24,080 --> 01:20:28,800
put into that, the more uncertainty
there is as to whether you're going to

952
01:20:27,199 --> 01:20:34,800
receive that total revenue at the end of
the year. And if we have a dry season,

953
01:20:32,239 --> 01:20:39,120
our income drops significantly. I'm
sorry, a wet season, our income drops

954
01:20:36,640 --> 01:20:43,760
significantly. So water advisory
committee looked at lots of options.

955
01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:50,000
This was our best judgment. Okay. So, so
Bill, uh, you know, there's about a

956
01:20:45,520 --> 01:20:56,000
$13,000 delta if you if you had the same
the same 28% of the users using those

957
01:20:53,920 --> 01:21:01,520
same numbers that if you raise the fee
by $5, you know, this is getting us a

958
01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:08,880
long way there. It's not a perfect
solution. It just kind of gets us close

959
01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:15,760
to where we hope to be. And
how much h how much heavy lifting do you

960
01:21:12,320 --> 01:21:25,199
need or do you feel like we need to help
provide in this case case to get you

961
01:21:18,480 --> 01:21:31,600
toward that 112 to or 312 to $365,000
does raising these just slightly u you

962
01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:40,159
know less than a cup of Starbucks a
month to go from all the way up to $50

963
01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:43,920
at that highest tier instead of 45. Is
that something that we should be

964
01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:49,280
considering or do you feel comfortable
that at these numbers that y'all are

965
01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:53,199
recommending for the tiered basis that
we're going to be able to service that

966
01:21:51,120 --> 01:21:58,080
debt? Because the last thing we want to
do is is have citizens that are aren't

967
01:21:56,080 --> 01:22:03,199
on the water system saying, "Well,
golly, the debt just seems to keep going

968
01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:05,920
on and nobody pays it."
>> Can I offer part of the answer to that?

969
01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:11,840
Yeah, go ahead Al.
>> Um, you know, we looked at various

970
01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:16,560
options. Um, we felt that this was the
best balance we could strike. Some of

971
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:20,159
the numbers are imprecise. We do not
know exactly what we're going to be

972
01:22:18,080 --> 01:22:26,960
paying per acre foot to purchase the
water. So, to try to be precise in this

973
01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:31,280
does not appear to be the best approach
at this point in time. We feel this will

974
01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:36,239
get us in the ballpark. We felt like it
was a fair balance and that was why we

975
01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:40,800
chose the numbers. It clearly is
council's option to do it any way you

976
01:22:38,480 --> 01:22:43,679
choose, but this was what we presented
to the town hall and what we received

977
01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:48,080
good feedback on.
>> Okay. And and great feedback. I I'll

978
01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:51,440
just tell you the truth, but when I saw
these numbers, Bill, and they got

979
01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:57,520
presented until you explained them more
clearly right now, I thought that at the

980
01:22:54,239 --> 01:23:01,040
uh tier six number, we were paying $120.
I thought it was accumulative and it was

981
01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:07,600
like, well, you know, you're you're
using over 100,000 gallons of water. I

982
01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:13,040
guess that 120 as your impact fee plus
the 30 doesn't necessarily offend me,

983
01:23:10,239 --> 01:23:18,800
but
I just want to raise that because it it

984
01:23:16,320 --> 01:23:24,239
comes to how much heavy lifting are we
having to do on the backside in order to

985
01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:29,760
make the budget work when it comes time
to pay to service $365,000

986
01:23:27,280 --> 01:23:34,560
a year out of the water system back to
the general fund.

987
01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:38,400
Yeah, I think uh chairman is is right.
It's uncertain. This gets us in the

988
01:23:36,159 --> 01:23:42,159
ballpark.
>> Okay.

989
01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:46,880
» And you know, again, we know if you add
if you if you increase the uh the fees

990
01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:51,440
significantly for three, four, five, or
you even add some for two, you're going

991
01:23:48,960 --> 01:23:54,080
to reduce the uh you're going to reduce
the usage. And then what you're going to

992
01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:58,480
do is you're going to find yourself
short on the operations and maintenance.

993
01:23:57,199 --> 01:24:02,800
And then you'll probably have to go back
and raise a fee. So, you gota, you know,

994
01:24:01,120 --> 01:24:07,120
This is probably an initial starting
point in balance and then you might go

995
01:24:05,199 --> 01:24:10,960
adjust later but you need to be more
informed.

996
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:15,040
» Okay. Um, Alderman Miller has requested
that I entertain a motion to approve

997
01:24:12,719 --> 01:24:19,920
ordinance 02026001
establishing a water supply fee for the

998
01:24:17,120 --> 01:24:24,400
water water customers of Shavano Park
system for the purpose of funding the

999
01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:28,880
purchase of the Edwards ARER
uh acre feed for use in the water system

1000
01:24:28,400 --> 01:24:33,280
with
>> and I would like to I would like to add

1001
01:24:30,320 --> 01:24:38,320
a little bit to that. So the water so in
addition to that uh the water supply fee

1002
01:24:36,239 --> 01:24:43,360
would be incorporated
uh the water advisory committee

1003
01:24:40,719 --> 01:24:49,199
recommendation of option two which is a
hybrid model that would include a $30

1004
01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:56,239
flat fee plus a tiered approach a three
four five six user approach and that the

1005
01:24:52,880 --> 01:24:58,960
$30 flat fee shall be discontinued at
the time that the purchase loan is paid

1006
01:24:58,239 --> 01:25:03,520
off.
>> What about the balance of the fees?

1007
01:25:01,760 --> 01:25:07,199
What about the balance of the fees for
the tiers three through six?

1008
01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:11,520
» Yeah. So it would it would be the
recommendation that the water uh

1009
01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:16,480
advisory committee has made for three
three four five and six.

1010
01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:20,960
» All of them fall off after the loan is
paid off.

1011
01:25:19,280 --> 01:25:24,880
» All of them sunset.
>> That wasn't what I heard, but I just

1012
01:25:22,400 --> 01:25:30,560
want to clarify. All of them sunset.
>> Uh so I would look for either way you

1013
01:25:29,120 --> 01:25:34,400
choose to do it. I don't think it makes
a a whole lot of difference between the

1014
01:25:32,320 --> 01:25:37,440
two. It's easy to sunset the whole
thing.

1015
01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:39,120
» Okay. Is that your [clears throat]
motion?

1016
01:25:37,920 --> 01:25:41,199
» So, sun sunset.
>> Okay. Do I have a second?

1017
01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:45,199
» Second.
>> Okay. We're now open for discussion. We

1018
01:25:43,199 --> 01:25:51,679
have a motion from Pete and a second
from Lee to approve ordinance 02026001

1019
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:55,120
establishing a water supply fee for
water customers in the Shavano Park

1020
01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:59,679
water system for the purposes of funding
the purchase of Edwards Arford Authority

1021
01:25:57,920 --> 01:26:06,159
acre feed for the use of the water
system using hybrid option two with a

1022
01:26:02,560 --> 01:26:09,760
sunset of all fees at the retirement of
the debt.

1023
01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:12,960
» Okay. Okay. We're now open for
discussions.

1024
01:26:11,760 --> 01:26:16,560
Christian,
>> uh, thank you very much for the great

1025
01:26:14,560 --> 01:26:21,600
presentation and and I wanted to say
what a good job that uh, that you all

1026
01:26:19,120 --> 01:26:26,800
did for the town hall. you did a
phenomenal job in presenting the

1027
01:26:23,679 --> 01:26:32,800
information in a consumable way for the
citizens who came um to hear uh the

1028
01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:38,400
proposal as well as to ask questions and
and I think that there was both positive

1029
01:26:35,679 --> 01:26:41,679
replies to to the presentation and also
concerned citizens who asked some very

1030
01:26:40,320 --> 01:26:45,440
good and tough questions because they
were concerns and you handled them

1031
01:26:43,199 --> 01:26:50,480
brilliantly and I and at the end of it
those folks who had concerns you really

1032
01:26:47,600 --> 01:26:55,440
assuaged them. So, um, kudos to you on
that. Um, I thank you very much, uh,

1033
01:26:53,199 --> 01:26:58,880
Alderan Miller for bringing up that
additions because I think that was

1034
01:26:57,199 --> 01:27:02,960
feedback that we also heard at the town
hall about creating a sunset to make

1035
01:27:00,880 --> 01:27:07,600
sure that there's a finite amount of
time that those fees will apply. So,

1036
01:27:04,880 --> 01:27:10,560
thank you for adding that addition and I
really want to commend your efforts and

1037
01:27:08,960 --> 01:27:14,639
say thank you.
>> Okay. Um, Pete.

1038
01:27:12,719 --> 01:27:19,040
» Yeah. So just a comment, one of the
things that I I really appreciate too is

1039
01:27:16,400 --> 01:27:23,760
the vision and the forward looking. As I
look around San Antonio, this is a fast

1040
01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:27,920
growing area and as you look at the fast
growing area, you know, the the water

1041
01:27:25,920 --> 01:27:31,600
that people need is going to continue to
increase. So now actually, you know, we

1042
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:35,600
would have done this sooner, that would
have been great, but but now is the time

1043
01:27:33,440 --> 01:27:39,040
to to secure these.
>> Okay. Thank you, Pete. Any further

1044
01:27:37,520 --> 01:27:42,719
discussion?
There are no further discussion. Um, all

1045
01:27:41,440 --> 01:27:43,679
in favor say I.
>> I.

1046
01:27:43,199 --> 01:27:47,280
» I.
>> I I.

1047
01:27:44,320 --> 01:27:51,600
» All uh all oppose. Same sign. The motion
carries. 50. Uh want to recognize

1048
01:27:49,840 --> 01:27:56,239
Alderman
Buddy Alamman has now made it from jury

1049
01:27:53,679 --> 01:27:59,120
duty. Thank you for joining us racing
across to the north side in order to

1050
01:27:58,400 --> 01:28:06,719
join us.
>> Park cops behind me. [laughter]

1051
01:28:03,040 --> 01:28:13,840
» I I hope not. I hope not. Okay. Brings
us to item 8.2. Uh buddy, we've now

1052
01:28:09,760 --> 01:28:22,560
completed items 8.4 which was uh pulled
from the agenda 8.5 6 7 8 9 10 and 8.1.

1053
01:28:19,600 --> 01:28:27,760
So we are now back to item 8.2.
>> Thank you.

1054
01:28:23,199 --> 01:28:33,440
» Okay. Uh item 8.2 Two discussion action
ordinance 02026002

1055
01:28:30,480 --> 01:28:39,280
amending chapter 36 zoning to allow
automotive quick leave service facility

1056
01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:44,880
CC as a special use permit in B1, B2,
and office districts. This is a second

1057
01:28:41,440 --> 01:28:50,451
reading. Um I'm going to recognize uh
Dave, Bill, and Curtis for purposes of

1058
01:28:47,600 --> 01:28:51,360
this.
[clears throat]

1059
01:28:50,480 --> 01:28:55,600
» Thank you, mayor, and thank you,
councel. Uh I have a presentation that

1060
01:28:53,840 --> 01:28:58,239
was largely presented last month. I'm
happy to go through it if you want

1061
01:28:57,199 --> 01:29:00,880
because there's towards the end of the
meeting if you want I can just hit the

1062
01:28:59,280 --> 01:29:03,760
highlights of stuff you asked for us to
return back but I'm happy to run through

1063
01:29:02,480 --> 01:29:08,960
it. Mayor,
>> uh I think that for purposes of our

1064
01:29:05,840 --> 01:29:13,920
citizenry it help if you did kind of a
part of it lead us through it and then

1065
01:29:11,199 --> 01:29:17,679
we certainly want to hear back the u the
feedback items that we had extended.

1066
01:29:17,120 --> 01:29:22,400
Um
>> and and Paul uh you may have comments as

1067
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:28,400
well during this section as well because
we do want to consider the noise outdoor

1068
01:29:25,280 --> 01:29:32,560
seating spacing and uh any additional
exceptions that may be want to be

1069
01:29:30,320 --> 01:29:37,440
considered.
>> Okay. Well, on June 22nd, uh this was

1070
01:29:35,920 --> 01:29:41,440
taken front of city council. A public
hearing was held and thereafter it was

1071
01:29:39,040 --> 01:29:45,440
the ordinance. Uh this is kind of a
package of two agenda items. I'm going

1072
01:29:42,880 --> 01:29:48,639
to cover both 8.2 2 and 8.3. They really
kind of move together. They're either

1073
01:29:47,199 --> 01:29:52,400
disapproved or approved together. That
that make sense logically. But this

1074
01:29:50,560 --> 01:29:56,000
ordinance 003 first reading was
approved. City staff asked the vice

1075
01:29:54,480 --> 01:29:59,920
chair David Zay of the planning zoning
to come and attend. The chairman was

1076
01:29:57,520 --> 01:30:04,960
unable to make it. Uh Kyle Horland
today. Um council wanted assurances from

1077
01:30:02,639 --> 01:30:08,080
the developer Latty Bitterblue that the
future development of the town homes and

1078
01:30:06,239 --> 01:30:10,880
pit would not be negatively affected. We
you'll see in this presentation that

1079
01:30:09,360 --> 01:30:13,040
came back with that. and the council
wanted assurances that the oil

1080
01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:16,159
collection methods would meet all the
environmental standards and you'll see

1081
01:30:14,400 --> 01:30:21,360
that we have some information on that.
So the lot that we're talking about

1082
01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:28,639
again uh is lot 2314 in the Pondill East
commercial and that is right behind the

1083
01:30:24,159 --> 01:30:32,639
Starbucks uh on the loop 164 uh frontage
road.

1084
01:30:30,400 --> 01:30:36,000
The history of this lot is in back 2002
the land uh and all the Pondill East

1085
01:30:34,560 --> 01:30:41,199
commercial was zoned from A1 to B1
residential or B1 commercial Starbucks

1086
01:30:38,880 --> 01:30:46,800
and Mallisters developed in early 2000s
in 2018 Bill Miller purchased lot next

1087
01:30:43,280 --> 01:30:51,360
to 2314 that's the vacant lot you can
see the dirt or this waterburger this is

1088
01:30:48,800 --> 01:30:54,800
the Bill Miller lot
uh water uh Bill Miller's purchased lot

1089
01:30:53,360 --> 01:31:01,120
next to it does have no development
since 2018 2019 Waterburger developed

1090
01:30:57,760 --> 01:31:06,639
the lot next to the Bill Miller
And then in 2021,

1091
01:31:03,600 --> 01:31:10,000
the Denton Bitterblue, the Rogers Chap
Park unit 189 sold the lot that we're

1092
01:31:08,560 --> 01:31:13,520
talking about tonight, the Generations
Community Federal Credit Union, which is

1093
01:31:11,600 --> 01:31:17,120
the current property owner. And the
credit unions, as a general note, do not

1094
01:31:15,360 --> 01:31:21,120
provide any retailer sales tax to the
city. Um no development actions were

1095
01:31:19,199 --> 01:31:25,120
taken on this lot by generations until
in 2026 a couple months ago RFM

1096
01:31:23,199 --> 01:31:29,120
commercial Mark Bower here uh
representing um approach city staff

1097
01:31:27,840 --> 01:31:33,920
proposal to subdivide the lot and
develop in the two retail business that

1098
01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:40,239
will generate sales tax.
So RF's proposal is for two tenants. Um

1099
01:31:37,840 --> 01:31:43,120
it would include aa quick service
restaurant with dining and drive

1100
01:31:41,840 --> 01:31:51,040
services as well as professionally
operated automotive oil change facility.

1101
01:31:47,040 --> 01:31:55,120
So the two actions and the agenda is to
allow auto those automotive oil change

1102
01:31:53,520 --> 01:31:59,760
facilities which are not allowed use in
the B1 zoning districts today. This

1103
01:31:56,960 --> 01:32:03,440
ordinance would add it and add it as a
CC use so that if another business

1104
01:32:02,320 --> 01:32:05,840
another developer wanted to build
another one of these they have to come

1105
01:32:04,480 --> 01:32:09,440
in front of planning zoning and city
council just like I'm standing here

1106
01:32:07,120 --> 01:32:14,320
today just like Mark Bower and they have
to present it to council for approval.

1107
01:32:13,280 --> 01:32:18,080
But this would be a professionally
operated low impact vehicle maintenance

1108
01:32:16,239 --> 01:32:22,239
facility focused on routine oil changes
and related light automotive services.

1109
01:32:20,080 --> 01:32:27,120
There would be no uh storage of vehicles
on the lot overnight. Um and in fact we

1110
01:32:24,960 --> 01:32:32,560
ban that in our ordinances uh that I'll
get to. So this was in your packet. Uh

1111
01:32:30,159 --> 01:32:37,440
we have a email from Latty Denton from
Bitterblue. Um I'm not going to read all

1112
01:32:34,639 --> 01:32:41,600
this but uh he's just we he was very
he's briefed on the slides. He's seen

1113
01:32:38,960 --> 01:32:46,719
the um site development plan. He knows
RFM and the the folks over there. We did

1114
01:32:45,120 --> 01:32:50,560
site review site plans designed and use
and overall context for the area and

1115
01:32:48,080 --> 01:32:54,080
intended uses in the PID which is a 22
acres land next to it. It's going to

1116
01:32:52,480 --> 01:32:58,159
have town homes developed and at a
really high end. We do not believe the

1117
01:32:55,920 --> 01:33:02,880
1604 uses will cause us a marketing or
perceptional issue. So we are fine with

1118
01:33:00,880 --> 01:33:05,520
the 1604 projects that presented and we
have a follow discussion with the

1119
01:33:04,000 --> 01:33:08,960
developers during site signage design
questions. We'll continue to work within

1120
01:33:06,800 --> 01:33:15,080
plan approval. and then he has some
thanks for us all including him and

1121
01:33:11,440 --> 01:33:15,080
asking for his opinion.

1122
01:33:16,159 --> 01:33:26,400
So this proposed uh splitting of the lot
we're talking about 1.2 acres being

1123
01:33:23,440 --> 01:33:30,239
split of 7 and a 0.53.
The QSR

1124
01:33:28,320 --> 01:33:34,800
is a term for quick service restaurant.
So that be the Chipotle on the side

1125
01:33:32,480 --> 01:33:39,520
right behind the Starbucks
and then next to it would be the oil

1126
01:33:37,120 --> 01:33:44,080
change quick lube facility with all its
lanes and customers coming in. Again,

1127
01:33:41,440 --> 01:33:48,960
not people parking and leaving their
cars overnight storage. Uh there's not a

1128
01:33:46,800 --> 01:33:53,360
lot of parking. There was a question on
the parking I remember and the citizens

1129
01:33:51,760 --> 01:33:56,320
to be heard. There's not a lot of
parking that's necessary for a quick

1130
01:33:54,719 --> 01:33:59,560
loop because all the customers come and
go rapidly.

1131
01:34:00,880 --> 01:34:06,239
So, Chipotles, I think everybody knows
what they look like. I just went through

1132
01:34:04,159 --> 01:34:08,960
and grabbed some photos of developer um
of what this development could look

1133
01:34:07,600 --> 01:34:14,239
like. This is a recent development
Chipotle. It probably be something

1134
01:34:10,159 --> 01:34:19,360
similar. We um we can't tell them what
building materials they use in there,

1135
01:34:15,679 --> 01:34:22,639
but uh Denton Bitterblue does through
deed restrictions and so they

1136
01:34:21,280 --> 01:34:25,520
coordinated that with them. Um, but
that's good that they have that still

1137
01:34:23,920 --> 01:34:28,320
that authority, but it's going to be
similar to the Starbucks and the

1138
01:34:26,800 --> 01:34:33,920
Macauers with trying to feature the
limestone and and those rugged colors.

1139
01:34:31,679 --> 01:34:37,679
Here's a take five um that's been
recently built here that the developer

1140
01:34:35,360 --> 01:34:43,360
had a picture of. Um that's what this
could look like potentially

1141
01:34:40,320 --> 01:34:47,920
park some valines
um that are in the higherend areas and

1142
01:34:45,520 --> 01:34:50,920
what that could look like here in Shamal
Park.

1143
01:34:54,000 --> 01:34:59,280
So there again there' be no out store
with this proposal from RFM. There'd be

1144
01:34:57,760 --> 01:35:02,639
no outdoor storage of used oil, oil
filters, parts, tires, disabled

1145
01:35:01,040 --> 01:35:06,080
vehicles. There's no waste materials,
custom vehicles or stage only in

1146
01:35:04,000 --> 01:35:09,760
designated parking service areas
facility operate within uh appropriate

1147
01:35:08,239 --> 01:35:13,440
environmental controls. They have to get
TCQ permits. all all these businesses

1148
01:35:12,239 --> 01:35:18,639
wherever they build in Texas are going
to get a TCU permit for the uh even just

1149
01:35:16,480 --> 01:35:23,600
temporarily holding the oil that they
drain from the vehicles before they want

1150
01:35:20,320 --> 01:35:28,800
to this is um a commodity that they want
to sell in the aftermarket the used oil

1151
01:35:25,679 --> 01:35:32,800
market that they don't waste it but even
the temporary holding of it and in your

1152
01:35:30,880 --> 01:35:36,000
packet there is a letter that the RFM
was kind to provide from half

1153
01:35:34,400 --> 01:35:40,480
engineering the engineer for their
project and in there talked about how

1154
01:35:38,480 --> 01:35:45,280
the doublewalled underground containment
tanks that would have to be for this

1155
01:35:42,320 --> 01:35:51,120
within the concrete subf foundation of
the building. Um, but that is a part of

1156
01:35:47,840 --> 01:35:56,040
their uh TCQ requirements. They have to
have WPAP as well for this development.

1157
01:35:56,080 --> 01:36:01,120
Um, and so there's a lots of controls
besides the city's regulations. If you

1158
01:35:59,760 --> 01:36:04,159
don't see a regulations on these
businesses about how they store their

1159
01:36:02,560 --> 01:36:09,280
oil, it's because this is strong in the
state regulations and it's not our

1160
01:36:05,760 --> 01:36:12,400
authority necessarily.
and the financial impact the these

1161
01:36:10,800 --> 01:36:16,560
highlights here this is all numbers been
updated they didn't give themselves a

1162
01:36:14,159 --> 01:36:22,639
full credit they ran their calculations
only 1.25% 25% sales tax cut uh

1163
01:36:19,840 --> 01:36:26,560
collection or actually 1.5. So anyways,
the bottom line though is the

1164
01:36:23,600 --> 01:36:31,520
development could provide $71,400 in
sales tax revenue, $15,000 in ador tax

1165
01:36:29,199 --> 01:36:37,360
revenue annually to the city. They base
that based upon Chipotle's uh sales, $4

1166
01:36:34,080 --> 01:36:41,760
million annually. Um I won't again run
through all these numbers, uh but this

1167
01:36:38,960 --> 01:36:45,840
is in the the packet for you. It's a
small update with the 1.5 which of

1168
01:36:44,320 --> 01:36:49,440
course is split between the general fund
street maintenance and crime patrol but

1169
01:36:47,600 --> 01:36:53,520
it all helps.
So getting exactly to the agenda item

1170
01:36:51,119 --> 01:36:58,320
8.2 what is before on you on this agenda
item. This is simply adding the CC

1171
01:36:56,400 --> 01:37:02,960
special use permits as an allowed use
within the B1 zoning category. You can

1172
01:37:00,880 --> 01:37:07,679
see the little track changes there in
red. Automotive quick loop service

1173
01:37:04,560 --> 01:37:12,000
facility CC. Many of those uses if you
look through the table, antique store,

1174
01:37:09,840 --> 01:37:19,679
art gallery, museum, bar, tavern,
they're not defined actually. Um,

1175
01:37:17,119 --> 01:37:23,280
that's a job for Bill and I. We have to
sometimes with these developments is to

1176
01:37:21,119 --> 01:37:26,320
fit into the definition within our code
when we're talking to a business. Could

1177
01:37:24,960 --> 01:37:29,679
they are they allowed to come into shop
in a park? But here we don't want to

1178
01:37:28,000 --> 01:37:32,880
leave that to two guests. We want to
actually define what these businesses

1179
01:37:30,960 --> 01:37:36,000
are. Automo quickl service facility
means a specialized service center

1180
01:37:34,239 --> 01:37:39,360
designed for rapid routine preventative
vehicle maintenance such as oil change,

1181
01:37:37,440 --> 01:37:42,400
filter replacements and tire inflation.
Routine preventative vehicle maintenance

1182
01:37:40,880 --> 01:37:46,159
extending longer than 24 hours is
prohibited. In addition, no overnight

1183
01:37:44,239 --> 01:37:51,440
storage of of customer vehicles is
allowed at these facilities.

1184
01:37:48,560 --> 01:37:55,280
So that is the 8.2.
If you don't mind, I'll go into 8.3 real

1185
01:37:53,679 --> 01:37:59,679
quick. I think it will help inform you
before we make a decision. 8.2, to

1186
01:37:57,600 --> 01:38:04,960
there's been some changes in 8.3 the
next agenda item which is where the

1187
01:38:01,520 --> 01:38:10,320
actual um application
from RFM to do this development we've

1188
01:38:08,639 --> 01:38:15,040
added uh we worked with our attorneys
and we strengthened the controls over it

1189
01:38:13,040 --> 01:38:18,480
so last month I showed you this slide
and how we were saying the ordinance

1190
01:38:16,960 --> 01:38:21,520
shall only grant the right to to
construct one automotive quick loop

1191
01:38:19,920 --> 01:38:24,960
service facility ruling out that if they
subdivide it they try to get cute and

1192
01:38:23,040 --> 01:38:28,400
build two of these they can't do that
that and we said that no Automotive auto

1193
01:38:27,119 --> 01:38:31,280
additional automotive service may be
added, expanded, or substitute beyond

1194
01:38:29,679 --> 01:38:36,080
the scope of the routine preventable
vehicle maintenance without a new CC

1195
01:38:33,760 --> 01:38:39,679
special use permit by city council.
Again, ruling out that this business

1196
01:38:37,920 --> 01:38:42,639
that would build couldn't through
project creep start adding more services

1197
01:38:41,360 --> 01:38:47,679
and you start seeing vehicles being
stored over over a long time and and it

1198
01:38:45,199 --> 01:38:52,000
becomes an isore. Uh they would have to
come back to city council to approval to

1199
01:38:49,679 --> 01:38:56,000
do any of that.
We have here in section one, we added

1200
01:38:53,600 --> 01:38:59,440
the site plan as an exhibit within the
ordinance. And then we said the granting

1201
01:38:58,159 --> 01:39:02,560
of the special use permit, this is all
in the highlighted yellow for an

1202
01:39:01,040 --> 01:39:07,040
automotive quickloop service facilities
requires a restaurant use within the

1203
01:39:04,320 --> 01:39:11,199
development as depicted in exhibit A.
Any change to the proposed land uses as

1204
01:39:09,520 --> 01:39:14,639
depicted in exhibit A require city
council approval.

1205
01:39:13,119 --> 01:39:18,960
Again, we thought this would strengthen
the concern that we heard from some on

1206
01:39:16,159 --> 01:39:22,080
council and someone even at P&Z is that
there was a worry that okay, city

1207
01:39:20,719 --> 01:39:25,199
council would approve this and the
developer wouldn't actually deliver the

1208
01:39:23,679 --> 01:39:29,600
restaurant use, which is I think what
most people are more interested in

1209
01:39:26,800 --> 01:39:34,239
getting is a bigger sales tax generator.
So, we're trying this control um would

1210
01:39:32,719 --> 01:39:38,960
mean that if again if they're not going
to build the restaurant, they have to

1211
01:39:35,360 --> 01:39:45,119
come back to city council. So,
>> thank you Curtis. Uh before I recognize

1212
01:39:41,840 --> 01:39:49,040
Dave to describe the U P&Z process, I
just want to clarify this is a

1213
01:39:47,424 --> 01:39:55,840
[clears throat] change to the B1, not to
B2. Although B B2 it's available, this

1214
01:39:52,960 --> 01:40:00,080
would be a use available in B1 and B2
but not in the O districts.

1215
01:39:59,600 --> 01:40:05,360
» Yes.
>> Yes. I'm just confirming that because u

1216
01:40:02,880 --> 01:40:09,920
correct. Unfortunately, when I reviewed
the um

1217
01:40:08,080 --> 01:40:15,520
uh we talked about it the last meeting,
but when I reviewed the agenda, I did

1218
01:40:13,040 --> 01:40:19,600
not strike office district. And I want
to clarify that it doesn't apply to the

1219
01:40:17,280 --> 01:40:25,199
office districts.
Well, anything you can do in B1, you can

1220
01:40:22,159 --> 01:40:31,520
always do in B2 because it's downzoning,
but it applies to B2. B1 and then B2 is

1221
01:40:29,600 --> 01:40:35,679
a lower category, so you can do it in B1
and B2. Uh Dave, if you'd come forward

1222
01:40:34,080 --> 01:40:40,080
so that you can tell us a little bit
about the planning and zoning process,

1223
01:40:37,440 --> 01:40:45,360
how the vote went, your discussions, a
little bit of that kind of stuff.

1224
01:40:42,400 --> 01:40:49,920
» Thank you. Um I'm the vice chair uh of
the PNZ and I I'll say that the of the

1225
01:40:48,480 --> 01:40:54,960
year and a half I've been on the
commission, um we had a really a hearty

1226
01:40:53,199 --> 01:41:01,040
discussion. Uh this is probably one of
two that we've had and the other being

1227
01:40:56,400 --> 01:41:06,320
the uh uh the the trail. So, our focus
was basically if we're going to change

1228
01:41:02,960 --> 01:41:12,239
the rules, is it within our uh city
strat plan, it does it meet those

1229
01:41:08,639 --> 01:41:17,440
guidance? Um I'll tell you that the
initial discussion we had the first

1230
01:41:14,400 --> 01:41:22,800
reading um we were not really in favor
of the concept because this is a huge

1231
01:41:20,400 --> 01:41:27,760
step. You know, we haven't allowed uh
auto stores or whatever in in our city

1232
01:41:25,840 --> 01:41:33,040
for a reason. And so we kind of had the
discussion about why we did that and and

1233
01:41:30,239 --> 01:41:37,360
history about um projection. When we
looked at our open uh plots of land for

1234
01:41:35,920 --> 01:41:44,159
development in the city, we were like,
"Okay, what what else do we have to do?"

1235
01:41:40,400 --> 01:41:49,600
uh the developer uh made a very good
presentation about this actual plot that

1236
01:41:47,280 --> 01:41:56,560
with Chipotle being the the anchor if
you will um the quick lube is a smaller

1237
01:41:53,840 --> 01:42:00,159
portion and to have another uh we
focused on okay what else could we put

1238
01:41:58,560 --> 01:42:04,400
in there you know another restaurant
it's not really big enough for another

1239
01:42:01,679 --> 01:42:09,040
restaurant so it's either um it's in a
has sat vacant for you know the five

1240
01:42:07,119 --> 01:42:12,159
years or whatever since the uh credit
union bought

1241
01:42:10,159 --> 01:42:16,960
U we were thinking of okay for the
planning of the city what would be best

1242
01:42:14,159 --> 01:42:22,719
for our citizens and yeah we said that
you know an oil loop place we could go

1243
01:42:19,760 --> 01:42:27,920
down to Military Drive and uh Hebner is
maybe a close one but along 16004

1244
01:42:25,600 --> 01:42:33,840
there's really nothing um uh available
to our citizens. So we kind of focused

1245
01:42:30,639 --> 01:42:39,679
on what else could we do with this as a
you know if we another developer came

1246
01:42:36,159 --> 01:42:44,320
and presented something. Um but we also
um had a hearty discussion about the oil

1247
01:42:42,239 --> 01:42:49,920
drainage and how it affected the town
homes and the adjacent property that uh

1248
01:42:47,280 --> 01:42:56,719
uh lays down below it if you will. Um
but I think our focus was really on um

1249
01:42:53,840 --> 01:43:00,719
uh knowing that Chipoti was the the
focus and the lot is very small to

1250
01:42:59,119 --> 01:43:07,520
develop.
>> Okay. What and it was reported that the

1251
01:43:04,320 --> 01:43:15,440
vote was a 90 vote. There was a non
vote. Um and uh one um I believe she

1252
01:43:12,080 --> 01:43:21,600
changed her vote, but um it is uh there
was some concerns just about the oil um

1253
01:43:18,400 --> 01:43:27,280
and the proximity to the town homes, but
uh the I I think we we focused on the

1254
01:43:25,600 --> 01:43:31,679
development and what would be best for
the residents.

1255
01:43:29,520 --> 01:43:35,920
» Okay. Uh Bill, anything else that you'd
like to add?

1256
01:43:33,679 --> 01:43:40,000
» No. And reminder that Mark's behind me
here and he's the one that's got the

1257
01:43:38,320 --> 01:43:43,600
mastermind or the plan if you want to
ask him specific questions. I think

1258
01:43:41,520 --> 01:43:47,360
there was a question about whether there
was going to be outdoor dining. I don't

1259
01:43:45,600 --> 01:43:50,239
think there is but he would be the one
that would ask.

1260
01:43:48,320 --> 01:43:57,840
» Yeah. Well, I that would be a part of
the south plan which is a second which

1261
01:43:53,520 --> 01:44:01,760
is 8.3. So, so at at this time, um, I'll
entertain a motion to approve ordinance

1262
01:43:59,760 --> 01:44:08,159
02026002
amending chapter 36 zoning to allow

1263
01:44:04,560 --> 01:44:15,480
automotive quickl service facility CC as
a special use permit in B1 and B2,

1264
01:44:12,080 --> 01:44:15,480
not office.

1265
01:44:16,080 --> 01:44:21,600
Yeah, B1 and B2 business. Do we have a
motion?

1266
01:44:19,280 --> 01:44:24,719
» So, mayor, I'd like to revise that
motion. So,

1267
01:44:23,119 --> 01:44:29,119
» well, no. I'm I'm entertaining a motion.
You're making whatever motion you want.

1268
01:44:26,480 --> 01:44:33,960
» Okay. So, here's here's the motion. So,
the motion to approve ordinance 02026-2

1269
01:44:34,000 --> 01:44:43,360
amending chapter 36 zoning to allow
automotive quick lube service facilities

1270
01:44:40,159 --> 01:44:45,840
as a special use permit in B1B2 business
and office district.

1271
01:44:44,639 --> 01:44:51,040
» Not office district.
>> Okay, I'll tear that. So, strike that

1272
01:44:48,719 --> 01:44:55,040
under the following conditions.
Approval of any special use permit of

1273
01:44:53,280 --> 01:45:00,159
the automotive quick lube service
facility shall be contingent upon the

1274
01:44:57,600 --> 01:45:04,239
development fully satisfying all
commitments presented to city council

1275
01:45:02,719 --> 01:45:10,159
regarding the establishment of the
Chipoti restaurant. So in short uh once

1276
01:45:07,679 --> 01:45:14,639
a Chipoti restaurant is operational the
special permit would be approved for the

1277
01:45:12,480 --> 01:45:19,280
uh for the other the other condition
would be that the automotive quickloop

1278
01:45:16,800 --> 01:45:24,800
service facility shall be oriented next
to the Starbucks company building in the

1279
01:45:22,639 --> 01:45:28,400
most westerly part of the lot to
minimize visual impact to neighboring

1280
01:45:27,600 --> 01:45:35,679
community.
>> Okay. Uh I I understand that fully as

1281
01:45:31,760 --> 01:45:43,280
far as ordinance 2026003.
Uh 002 is just two lines, two sections

1282
01:45:39,280 --> 01:45:48,800
revising chapter 36.
So I'll hold that motion in advance. But

1283
01:45:46,480 --> 01:45:54,960
first, we have to approve chapter 36's
amendment before we I think we want to

1284
01:45:52,159 --> 01:46:01,280
consider the amendment of chapter 36
before we consider the amendment to

1285
01:45:57,440 --> 01:46:09,520
chapter to the actual agreement. Okay.
Um so, so do I have a motion to approve

1286
01:46:04,719 --> 01:46:13,159
the amendment of chapter 36 zoning for
B1 and B2?

1287
01:46:13,679 --> 01:46:22,800
» I'd like to make that motion. Okay, we
have a motion from Conrad to approve

1288
01:46:20,159 --> 01:46:26,800
uh ordinance 0 2026002
amending

1289
01:46:24,719 --> 01:46:32,800
uh chapter 36 zoning to allow ODM
automotive quick fleet service facility

1290
01:46:29,199 --> 01:46:36,639
CC as a special use permit in B1 and B2
district. Uh this is a second reading.

1291
01:46:35,520 --> 01:46:39,920
Do I have a second?
>> Second it.

1292
01:46:37,360 --> 01:46:45,199
» We have a second from Buddy. We're now
open for discussion on the amendment

1293
01:46:42,000 --> 01:46:50,320
solely of chapter 36.
Okay, Pete.

1294
01:46:47,119 --> 01:46:54,480
» So, uh, when I moved to Shavano Park,
uh, we moved here about seven years ago

1295
01:46:51,840 --> 01:46:59,360
and we purchased a lot and built a home.
And what attracted me to Shavano Park is

1296
01:46:56,880 --> 01:47:03,920
it's very very different and you you
know the difference when when you're

1297
01:47:00,960 --> 01:47:11,280
here. And uh so it's funny when you go
down Northwest Military, I know when I'm

1298
01:47:06,960 --> 01:47:16,080
in San Antonio and I know uh when when
I'm not in uh in Shavano Park, it's just

1299
01:47:14,080 --> 01:47:21,679
it's a very different feel. It's a very
different feel. And so my my concern is

1300
01:47:19,920 --> 01:47:27,440
that this starts to erode that feeling.
And this is the reason why I wanted to

1301
01:47:23,360 --> 01:47:33,840
be part of Shavano Park. Uh so uh I my
my view is is this this doesn't add to

1302
01:47:31,920 --> 01:47:38,080
uh to what we're trying to achieve the
vision of Shavano Park. I mean that's I

1303
01:47:36,159 --> 01:47:42,239
I I know one of the things is when you
look at the town plan there's competing

1304
01:47:40,320 --> 01:47:45,840
priorities in there. I I get that we're
yeah we're looking for revenue. We're

1305
01:47:44,000 --> 01:47:49,840
looking for that. But to me the higher
priority is the vision the the feel that

1306
01:47:48,080 --> 01:47:57,840
we're looking for the city. And to me
this this doesn't give that feel. and uh

1307
01:47:52,560 --> 01:48:02,639
and and I you know uh it's it's uh it's
not what what the the vision that that I

1308
01:48:00,320 --> 01:48:08,320
hope to to see for Shavano Park.
>> Great. Thank you, Pete. Uh others

1309
01:48:06,480 --> 01:48:12,639
Christian,
>> uh thank you very much uh again for the

1310
01:48:10,400 --> 01:48:16,639
the reading. Uh just as we gave a little
bit of a presentation again um for the

1311
01:48:15,360 --> 01:48:21,440
first reading, I'm going to offer some
of my comments. They're probably similar

1312
01:48:18,000 --> 01:48:25,679
to after the first reading as well. Um,
in putting a quick loop facility, I

1313
01:48:23,600 --> 01:48:29,520
think we have to ask for Chevo Park,
similar to what Alderman Miller had

1314
01:48:27,440 --> 01:48:33,840
said, is this the vision we had for for
Chevano Park? And two, is this a service

1315
01:48:31,840 --> 01:48:40,159
that's really desired and demanded by by
Chevno Park citizens? And is one6 of the

1316
01:48:37,280 --> 01:48:45,920
revenue I'm using the updated numbers of
60,000 verse 11,500

1317
01:48:43,440 --> 01:48:49,600
about 16, is that worth an exception to
the ordinance? And would another option

1318
01:48:48,080 --> 01:48:54,719
such as another restaurant to offer
diversity or another business option

1319
01:48:51,920 --> 01:49:00,800
within the current ordinance rules offer
better revenue and better meet the wants

1320
01:48:57,360 --> 01:49:05,360
and needs of our citizens? And um doing
a little research uh on via the urban

1321
01:49:03,199 --> 01:49:09,440
land institute, quick loop facilities
are better for owners developers because

1322
01:49:07,199 --> 01:49:13,920
they offer better profit margins due to
simpler operations and lower labor

1323
01:49:11,360 --> 01:49:19,360
costs. but it doesn't realize a greater
tax revenue for the city as we've

1324
01:49:16,080 --> 01:49:25,600
already uh demonstrated. Um and and this
location is nice because it offers um

1325
01:49:22,800 --> 01:49:32,320
easy access for for folks to get in and
out of a a quick loop facility. I get

1326
01:49:27,760 --> 01:49:36,320
that. Um and if this can be argued as a
needed daily necessity, the Urban Land

1327
01:49:34,719 --> 01:49:40,400
Institute argues that it might be good
to have such a facility. But but how

1328
01:49:38,639 --> 01:49:46,560
many of these quick move facilities do
we need? and are there other very close

1329
01:49:42,639 --> 01:49:52,960
close quick loop options um between
where that lot is 2.7 miles away just on

1330
01:49:50,800 --> 01:49:57,679
the other side of of heapner is another
valing so that's within seven seven

1331
01:49:56,000 --> 01:50:01,760
minutes and the national league of
cities tell us that an urban planning

1332
01:49:59,760 --> 01:50:08,400
concept of necessities and services
being within 15 minutes of where you

1333
01:50:03,440 --> 01:50:12,159
live is a desirable um plan for the city
so we already have one within seven

1334
01:50:10,080 --> 01:50:16,080
minutes same brand that we're talking
about potentially putting in. You know,

1335
01:50:14,239 --> 01:50:20,000
perhaps we already meet the need needs
of our citizens. And and I introduced

1336
01:50:18,320 --> 01:50:25,440
this last time doing a quick look on
maps. There's seven take five facilities

1337
01:50:23,199 --> 01:50:30,480
just outside of Chevno Park city limits.
There's five valve lanes just outside of

1338
01:50:28,159 --> 01:50:35,920
Shaveno Park city limits. And I used
281,6004,

1339
01:50:33,119 --> 01:50:40,400
410, and I 10 as kind of my limits of
the area that I looked. But in all of

1340
01:50:38,080 --> 01:50:45,840
San Antonio, there's between 200 and
240, this is via Google, dedicated oil

1341
01:50:43,679 --> 01:50:49,840
change and quick loop facilities. When
you look at broader automotive

1342
01:50:47,520 --> 01:50:54,159
maintenance, the broader automotive
maintenance footprints, it's well over a

1343
01:50:52,080 --> 01:50:59,840
thousand businesses.
Uh, by contrast, via Google, there's 21

1344
01:50:57,199 --> 01:51:05,280
Chipotles. So, a thousand place I could
get my oil change versus 21 places where

1345
01:51:02,000 --> 01:51:08,560
I could get my Chipotle. So, you know,
uh, in the citizens to be heard

1346
01:51:06,719 --> 01:51:13,360
comments, we heard early this evening.
We we heard concerns about precedent

1347
01:51:10,719 --> 01:51:16,560
being set where where I get it. We can
any other place that perhaps wants to

1348
01:51:15,040 --> 01:51:22,000
put on an oil loop facility or other
still has to come before city council.

1349
01:51:18,880 --> 01:51:26,080
But it it's hard for us to say no, we're
going to allow it for them, but not

1350
01:51:23,840 --> 01:51:33,119
somewhere else when we have a very very
small amount of developable developable

1351
01:51:29,440 --> 01:51:37,040
land within Shavano Park. And so that
finite amount of land I think needs to

1352
01:51:35,040 --> 01:51:41,280
be considered when we're talking about
our city plan and the vision that we

1353
01:51:38,880 --> 01:51:44,960
have for Shao Park and and and I
appreciate the other comments about the

1354
01:51:42,719 --> 01:51:50,080
potential for noise parking concerns or
other I do want to commend the commend

1355
01:51:47,520 --> 01:51:55,119
the developer and for plans zoning
consider things like um pollution and

1356
01:51:53,119 --> 01:51:59,840
making sure that we're keeping up with
um uh ecological considerations. And I

1357
01:51:58,239 --> 01:52:04,000
think that that you did a good job of
switching my concerns on that in the

1358
01:52:01,679 --> 01:52:09,760
last meeting, but I but that concern is
still out there that I think we need to

1359
01:52:05,760 --> 01:52:13,520
be very cognizant about of our citizens
and I will say that restaurants are

1360
01:52:11,360 --> 01:52:17,360
better hubs for social interaction and
they employ more people and they are

1361
01:52:15,440 --> 01:52:20,239
better source of revenue and I think
also that our citizens they like

1362
01:52:18,800 --> 01:52:25,440
diversity of choices and another
restaurant provides that for us. um and

1363
01:52:23,440 --> 01:52:30,800
we don't need to grant an ordinance
exception to another restaurant. Now,

1364
01:52:28,080 --> 01:52:35,119
I'm very um understanding of the fact
that the amount of space that's there

1365
01:52:33,360 --> 01:52:41,520
doesn't offer perhaps for another
restaurant, but but is there another

1366
01:52:37,440 --> 01:52:46,639
option that meets our city's vision will
provide us the revenue that we need and

1367
01:52:43,360 --> 01:52:51,760
is worth holding out for? Um and and
allows us to still protect the city

1368
01:52:48,639 --> 01:52:56,400
ordinance as it's currently written. Um,
I I think these are all things that we

1369
01:52:53,440 --> 01:53:01,280
need to consider as we um go to vote on
this. Um, and and I and I'm concerned

1370
01:52:59,119 --> 01:53:05,840
too that maybe a lot of our citizens in
Chevano Park didn't realize that this is

1371
01:53:03,599 --> 01:53:12,320
a consideration for how we're going to
develop this land. Um, we had a great

1372
01:53:08,159 --> 01:53:16,320
town hall for the the um changes to to
the water through the water advisory

1373
01:53:14,080 --> 01:53:19,679
committee and the increased fees that
we're going to make. But you can make an

1374
01:53:17,840 --> 01:53:24,000
argument that well that applies a lot
more to Shavano Park citizens than this

1375
01:53:22,480 --> 01:53:29,360
plot of land on the north side of
Shavano Park. U but but I'm concerned

1376
01:53:27,040 --> 01:53:32,960
that a lot of our citizens didn't know
about it perhaps. Um because maybe they

1377
01:53:31,599 --> 01:53:37,520
would have had a lot more to say and
give us more feedback. in in a quick ask

1378
01:53:36,000 --> 01:53:42,159
around the neighborhood that I that I've
done. Hey, have you heard about this and

1379
01:53:39,760 --> 01:53:46,000
you know kind just what do you think? Um
I I've had a lot of people who were

1380
01:53:44,000 --> 01:53:50,239
concerned with uh putting oil change
facility with the Chipotle and and the

1381
01:53:49,040 --> 01:53:54,639
fact they didn't think it matched the
Chevart vision and they didn't think it

1382
01:53:52,960 --> 01:53:58,159
made made sense and they had
environmental concerns and other

1383
01:53:56,639 --> 01:54:03,119
although there was also some people who
said on my south side of classified it's

1384
01:54:01,040 --> 01:54:07,280
way away from me it's up there 604 it
doesn't matter to me so so there was

1385
01:54:05,119 --> 01:54:11,840
some diversity in opinion but for the
most part people were concerned about

1386
01:54:08,960 --> 01:54:15,199
this motion I applied I applaud plan
zoning for bringing this forward because

1387
01:54:13,599 --> 01:54:18,639
I think it's worthwhile for us to
consider. There's multiple things that

1388
01:54:16,800 --> 01:54:23,679
we as a council need to consider such as
revenue for the city such as developing

1389
01:54:20,800 --> 01:54:30,159
the land that we have, but I don't think
the current proposal has set up to grant

1390
01:54:26,639 --> 01:54:33,599
this exception meets that vision for for
our city of Chevno Park. So, thank you

1391
01:54:32,400 --> 01:54:37,599
for entertaining my comments.
>> Okay, buddy.

1392
01:54:35,679 --> 01:54:41,360
» Thank you, mayor. Um, I apologize I
wasn't available to hear the citizens

1393
01:54:39,840 --> 01:54:46,159
and what they had to say about this
project. But I will say this as being

1394
01:54:43,840 --> 01:54:50,800
part of planning and zoning along with
Bob, we spent a lot of time in plan and

1395
01:54:48,480 --> 01:54:56,080
zoning and automotive has always been a
hot spot. Always. Everybody has always

1396
01:54:53,679 --> 01:55:04,639
raised questions whether automotive
facilities of any type would be okay to

1397
01:54:59,840 --> 01:55:08,560
build in Shamano Park. Whereas um
as

1398
01:55:06,880 --> 01:55:13,199
being on city council, we don't want to
impede on the ownership rights of the

1399
01:55:11,520 --> 01:55:18,239
people who have bought this property
years ago, but at the same time, we want

1400
01:55:16,159 --> 01:55:22,239
to make sure that they do have a vision
and they do keep up with the need of

1401
01:55:20,080 --> 01:55:25,760
Shelvin Park residents. And I think the
community will decide as a whole if they

1402
01:55:24,480 --> 01:55:31,360
don't like what they're doing, they'll
stop going there. And so we as a city

1403
01:55:28,320 --> 01:55:36,080
council, I think the economic risk is on
the ownership on whether or not they

1404
01:55:33,520 --> 01:55:40,719
comply with the wants and needs of our
city. If they don't, people aren't going

1405
01:55:37,840 --> 01:55:45,119
to go, but yet they have the right to
build on their property. I think

1406
01:55:42,960 --> 01:55:51,440
planning and zoning has done a great job
of bringing things forward and putting

1407
01:55:48,320 --> 01:55:56,320
restrictions in the spirit which we
wrote the ordinances several years ago.

1408
01:55:54,320 --> 01:56:00,400
and they they've been written several
times over and over again. We have

1409
01:55:58,239 --> 01:56:06,480
refined them. We have put them in line
with a town plan. And I think that we we

1410
01:56:03,199 --> 01:56:11,119
ought we owe it to the citizens or the
um people who own the property and give

1411
01:56:08,480 --> 01:56:16,239
them a chance to do what they want as
long as they're within the spirit of the

1412
01:56:13,440 --> 01:56:20,880
ordinances that were written the way we
put them together. And I like I said, I

1413
01:56:18,800 --> 01:56:26,159
commend planning and zoning of what
they've done. I think they have brought

1414
01:56:22,960 --> 01:56:30,960
that true spirit out and that we off we
need to off the uh the ownership a

1415
01:56:28,320 --> 01:56:37,679
chance to put implement the concept they
want and they're abiding by the TCQ

1416
01:56:34,639 --> 01:56:44,560
uh parameters to where you know we're
not u putting a risk on the town homes

1417
01:56:41,440 --> 01:56:46,560
or the city or the Edward. So I commend
them.

1418
01:56:45,040 --> 01:56:50,480
» Okay.
Lee.

1419
01:56:48,639 --> 01:56:54,320
» Thank you Mr. Mayor. I'd like to offer
up a couple of random thoughts in no

1420
01:56:52,320 --> 01:57:00,000
particular order.
At the intersection of IH10 and UTSA

1421
01:56:57,360 --> 01:57:05,840
Boulevard on the norththeast corner is a
Hyundai dealership. Cross over to the

1422
01:57:02,639 --> 01:57:10,800
other side of 10 and go south. Five car
dealerships. Total of six within

1423
01:57:08,480 --> 01:57:17,280
eyesight of each other. I I don't think
the argument that we've got too many of

1424
01:57:13,920 --> 01:57:20,560
something. Well, guess what? We've got a
Starbucks up here and somebody let them

1425
01:57:18,960 --> 01:57:24,800
build another coffee shop right across
the street. You can literally throw a

1426
01:57:22,560 --> 01:57:30,639
rock and hit each one of them from the
other side. So I don't think like kind

1427
01:57:28,800 --> 01:57:36,159
businesses being close to each other is
a viable argument. DCQ is a much

1428
01:57:33,679 --> 01:57:41,360
stricter regulatory agency than we can
ever be. If they say it's going to be

1429
01:57:38,320 --> 01:57:45,440
safe, it's going to be safe. Oh my
goodness. We've got a big gas station up

1430
01:57:43,280 --> 01:57:49,199
here that services what, 1100 cars a
day. I wonder what's in the ground

1431
01:57:46,960 --> 01:57:54,239
underneath those pumps and who who
regulates that. So, I think the argument

1432
01:57:51,199 --> 01:57:58,880
against that is isn't does it holds
water? Uh,

1433
01:57:57,119 --> 01:58:03,599
we've been told from the get-go that
this piece of land owned by a credit

1434
01:58:00,639 --> 01:58:08,960
union is so incredibly expensive, nobody
even ms the grass. It's a jungle over

1435
01:58:05,840 --> 01:58:13,119
there and nobody wants it. Well, why
don't they want it? Well, it's too

1436
01:58:10,639 --> 01:58:16,719
expensive. Somebody comes in here, a
gift horse, and tells, you know, if you

1437
01:58:15,280 --> 01:58:20,719
work with me, we'll split it up. We'll
put you in a nice little Chipotle

1438
01:58:18,400 --> 01:58:26,320
restaurant. I like Chipotle. It's not
tier one, but it's okay. Gu some sort of

1439
01:58:24,080 --> 01:58:30,400
an oil change flank next door to it. My
wife owns a security company. We have a

1440
01:58:27,840 --> 01:58:35,119
small fleet. Guess who takes the cars in
to get the oil change when they need it?

1441
01:58:32,960 --> 01:58:38,400
And it's quick. It's easy. And the
people there are friendly, working hard.

1442
01:58:36,639 --> 01:58:42,880
We make money off the oil and filters,
not off the labor. And they do a pretty

1443
01:58:41,199 --> 01:58:46,239
good clip down there where we're taking
it's, by the way, it's a five-minute l

1444
01:58:44,639 --> 01:58:52,639
place.
I think that if you want to keep Shao

1445
01:58:49,280 --> 01:58:59,199
Park like it was,
I will tell you a story about 1976. A

1446
01:58:55,360 --> 01:59:04,159
fresh new county police officer, me, was
dispatched over to what is now the fire

1447
01:59:01,599 --> 01:59:09,440
department with city hall because of an
impending riot. because city council was

1448
01:59:07,199 --> 01:59:12,960
meeting in what is now the kitchen and
they needed police protection because

1449
01:59:11,119 --> 01:59:17,679
there was a hot ticket item. The hot
ticket item was a retired one-star

1450
01:59:14,719 --> 01:59:22,000
general from World War I
who was complaining about the fact,

1451
01:59:19,360 --> 01:59:26,560
believe it or not, somebody put a red
light at Deavala at Military Highway.

1452
01:59:24,560 --> 01:59:31,440
It's no longer a three-way stop. Fry
God.

1453
01:59:28,320 --> 01:59:35,760
No riot ensued, but they put the stop
they put the red light up anyway. So,

1454
01:59:34,480 --> 01:59:41,760
we're going to have to roll with the
punches. Um, I note that when COVID hit,

1455
01:59:40,080 --> 01:59:47,599
Bill Miller quit the development of that
pad next to to Waterburger.

1456
01:59:45,040 --> 01:59:50,239
Maybe the old adage, if you build one
gas station in the middle of nowhere,

1457
01:59:49,040 --> 01:59:53,119
you're going to do some business. You
build a competing gas station on the

1458
01:59:51,840 --> 01:59:56,719
opposite corner, they're both going to
get rich. I would like to see another

1459
01:59:55,119 --> 02:00:01,280
restaurant.
The fact that we have to take on a um

1460
01:59:58,800 --> 02:00:05,280
oil change place doesn't strike me
because I'm a guy and I built cars to go

1461
02:00:03,599 --> 02:00:12,000
through high school and college and the
smell of oil doesn't offend me. So, I

1462
02:00:08,320 --> 02:00:15,040
think that we've got a gift horse and
I'd like to see us climb on the back and

1463
02:00:13,679 --> 02:00:20,800
ride. Thank you.
>> Thank you, Lynn. Conrad,

1464
02:00:18,480 --> 02:00:25,280
» um I think when I first heard about
this, it didn't didn't appeal, you know,

1465
02:00:23,280 --> 02:00:29,440
an oil change place. I think that's
because

1466
02:00:27,119 --> 02:00:36,719
you think about a mechanic shop and you
think about maybe tires in the side. You

1467
02:00:32,560 --> 02:00:41,679
think about um oil everywhere. You have
this this vision of a mechanic shop, but

1468
02:00:39,840 --> 02:00:45,920
that's not what this is. This is a oil
change place. Like we change our oil

1469
02:00:44,159 --> 02:00:50,880
down here at Valvaline. You jump in
there and you're done in 15 minutes.

1470
02:00:48,320 --> 02:00:54,320
Really quick, not that noisy. There's no
music playing. That's one of the things

1471
02:00:52,560 --> 02:00:59,360
you think about a mechanic shop, right?
Like back in the day, you hear this loud

1472
02:00:56,560 --> 02:01:04,719
music and ratchets going all that and
that's not there. So that that goes

1473
02:01:01,760 --> 02:01:09,440
away. Um but it's still you you think
it's an oil place. This is like y'all

1474
02:01:07,599 --> 02:01:15,199
say this is what we need, right? Well,
there's too many of them. And then you

1475
02:01:12,000 --> 02:01:19,360
think about like great presentation.
There's lots of them. Well, there's

1476
02:01:17,040 --> 02:01:26,560
there's a reason why because customers
are wanting them highly convenient, much

1477
02:01:22,320 --> 02:01:31,040
like a gas station and to Lee's
what Lee was saying is about this very

1478
02:01:28,800 --> 02:01:38,239
busy gas station, right? Right across
military. So, I I start to lose that

1479
02:01:35,280 --> 02:01:43,760
sort of negative
um vision of what this is. It's just

1480
02:01:40,800 --> 02:01:48,080
it's just an oil change place. has three
or four I guess garage doors on the

1481
02:01:46,320 --> 02:01:51,280
front and they're in and out and they're
closed at night and there's some

1482
02:01:49,679 --> 02:02:00,400
shrubbery around there and it's going to
I'm sure be nice. Um so then you think

1483
02:01:55,920 --> 02:02:03,840
well what um what else is there? We some
citizens are against it and I completely

1484
02:02:02,320 --> 02:02:08,239
understand that as I stated from the
start. But then we go to the developer

1485
02:02:05,679 --> 02:02:11,440
and the developer says, you know, I
don't think that this is not going to

1486
02:02:09,360 --> 02:02:17,440
harm my business and he's putting in
town homes that are very valuable. He

1487
02:02:14,080 --> 02:02:22,080
has skin in that game that is just
across the street basically. And he

1488
02:02:19,920 --> 02:02:25,679
says, "This isn't going to this isn't
going to hurt my what I'm doing here,

1489
02:02:23,760 --> 02:02:32,159
this project." And it's millions of
dollars. Um,

1490
02:02:29,760 --> 02:02:37,119
it's private property somewhat of what
Buddy was talking about. This isn't city

1491
02:02:34,560 --> 02:02:42,480
property. This isn't our property, the
cities. It's somebody else's that has

1492
02:02:40,320 --> 02:02:49,119
not utilized it for what they said they
would for years now. And this land is

1493
02:02:46,560 --> 02:02:53,599
sat there sort of call it dormant for a
very long period of time. And now we

1494
02:02:52,080 --> 02:02:58,400
have a developer that says, you know
what, I can fit financially in there

1495
02:02:56,000 --> 02:03:03,280
with a Chipotle and then something
that's a little less desirable.

1496
02:03:01,360 --> 02:03:08,320
And I think if it was just a Chipotle,
there would be no discussion. This would

1497
02:03:04,880 --> 02:03:11,320
be 100% no problem.
So

1498
02:03:11,520 --> 02:03:20,159
it looks like to me that this is not as
bad as it looked from the start. And I

1499
02:03:17,679 --> 02:03:23,840
and again my first notion was like I
don't know if that's going to work.

1500
02:03:21,920 --> 02:03:26,880
There's also a discussion going around
that I think none of us have talked

1501
02:03:25,199 --> 02:03:33,280
about yet that oh we're acting too
quick. Um I don't see that as a case. We

1502
02:03:30,639 --> 02:03:40,480
I think we've been waiting for solution
to come along and I think the solution

1503
02:03:36,159 --> 02:03:46,159
is before us. And so
I don't uh the the sales tax numbers and

1504
02:03:43,199 --> 02:03:50,480
all that. I I just put that in the back
of my I didn't wasn't even looking at

1505
02:03:48,480 --> 02:03:55,040
that. So then if I start to look at that
and I say as a group up here and for me

1506
02:03:53,679 --> 02:03:58,960
while technically we don't really
necessarily have a fiduciary duty to

1507
02:03:56,719 --> 02:04:06,080
this city there is there it is right
there at it and so we do have that

1508
02:04:02,080 --> 02:04:12,719
responsibility up here um to look at the
numbers and say is this additive to to

1509
02:04:09,599 --> 02:04:15,280
us financially as well and it meets that
I don't think anybody's going to

1510
02:04:13,920 --> 02:04:21,199
disagree that it would meet that it's
just what what is it and then I go back.

1511
02:04:18,639 --> 02:04:28,080
Go back to the three bays and the doors
that are shut at night and the

1512
02:04:25,840 --> 02:04:32,880
u plants and whatever else that it's
going to look nice for what it is for a

1513
02:04:30,639 --> 02:04:38,480
box. It's a box with cars that drive in
and then drive out.

1514
02:04:35,119 --> 02:04:42,639
And for me, that's that sums it up. And
I I don't think we're giving up I don't

1515
02:04:41,199 --> 02:04:47,360
think we're giving up a lot here. I
think we're getting value. I think we're

1516
02:04:44,639 --> 02:04:53,119
getting service. And I'll go back to
there's a lot of them because customers

1517
02:04:50,000 --> 02:04:57,440
are demanding that and that's that's got
to be why that's there. So I go back to

1518
02:04:54,960 --> 02:05:04,000
Lee a little bit and what what this is.
So I I that's my sum total of what I how

1519
02:05:00,159 --> 02:05:10,320
I see this um and how and how it works
for us in our community. It's a private

1520
02:05:06,719 --> 02:05:15,280
property and do we let the developer do
this land that's been sitting there for

1521
02:05:12,880 --> 02:05:22,880
a very long period of time and it has a
good useful

1522
02:05:17,440 --> 02:05:27,440
part here. Okay. Uh any other comments?
Okay. Uh if there are no further

1523
02:05:25,280 --> 02:05:35,040
comments, discussion, uh we have a
motion to approve ordinance 0 2026002

1524
02:05:32,320 --> 02:05:42,000
amending chapter 36 zoning to allow
automatic quick loop service facility CC

1525
02:05:38,480 --> 02:05:46,560
as a special use permit in B1 B2
business. This is a second reading. All

1526
02:05:45,199 --> 02:05:51,040
in favor say I.
>> I.

1527
02:05:49,280 --> 02:05:56,440
» And all oppose.
>> Nay. The motion carries 32.

1528
02:05:56,960 --> 02:06:03,920
Item 8.3
discussion action ordinance 0.206003

1529
02:06:01,520 --> 02:06:09,679
2026003
granting an automatic quick lube service

1530
02:06:06,239 --> 02:06:19,280
facility CC special use permit in a B1
commercially zoned lot designated lot

1531
02:06:13,520 --> 02:06:24,560
1314 of block 44 in county block 4782E
of the Pillill East commercial

1532
02:06:21,360 --> 02:06:27,560
subdivision. This is the second reading.
Um

1533
02:06:27,679 --> 02:06:32,480
Bill Curtis, do you have anything that
you'd like to add?

1534
02:06:44,159 --> 02:06:49,920
Um, as for the actual ordinance, um, I
don't have anything to particularly add.

1535
02:06:47,599 --> 02:06:53,599
Uh, I covered it. The amendment we added
working with our attorney to strengthen

1536
02:06:51,440 --> 02:06:57,040
the the controls on this land after city
council approves this. The developer is

1537
02:06:55,760 --> 02:07:01,119
not going to try to pull a fast one on
you. they have to come back and um and I

1538
02:06:59,760 --> 02:07:05,199
just covered that. I'm happy to cover
that again, but I have nothing further

1539
02:07:03,440 --> 02:07:11,520
to add to the actual ordinance.
>> Okay. Uh Pete, uh I kind of cut you

1540
02:07:08,239 --> 02:07:16,000
short uh to get through 8.2 and I'm
going to come back to you for 8.3

1541
02:07:13,280 --> 02:07:19,119
because I recognized you and let you
make your motion.

1542
02:07:17,280 --> 02:07:24,679
» All right. So the motion I'll reread it
is motion to approve ordinance 02026-23

1543
02:07:25,520 --> 02:07:31,599
» 03 sorry 03 03
>> amending chapter 36 zoning

1544
02:07:31,199 --> 02:07:35,360
» no no
>> no

1545
02:07:33,040 --> 02:07:38,159
» granting you you need to go with what's
written and then add what you want to

1546
02:07:37,360 --> 02:07:44,239
add at the end.
>> Where's the where's where's it?

1547
02:07:41,440 --> 02:07:48,320
Hang on. Okay. Motion to approve
ordinance O 2026-

1548
02:07:47,360 --> 02:07:51,119
02
>> 03

1549
02:07:49,119 --> 02:07:54,400
» 03 What is this on the
>> You're on the wrong line.

1550
02:07:53,360 --> 02:07:57,760
Go down to 8.3.
>> Got it. Got it. Okay.

1551
02:07:55,920 --> 02:08:01,199
» All right. So, this is the ordinance
granting quick lube special uh use

1552
02:08:00,560 --> 02:08:04,480
permit.
>> Yes.

1553
02:08:02,159 --> 02:08:09,520
» All right. Motion to approve ordinance
02026-3

1554
02:08:07,119 --> 02:08:15,040
granting the automotive quick lube uh
service facility special use of permit

1555
02:08:11,599 --> 02:08:21,840
B1 commercial zoning lot designated lot
202314

1556
02:08:17,119 --> 02:08:28,128
of block 44 in the county block 4782E
in the a Pondill East commercial

1557
02:08:25,280 --> 02:08:32,000
subdivision
[clears throat]

1558
02:08:28,880 --> 02:08:36,800
under the following conditions. Approval
of any special use permit for automotive

1559
02:08:34,639 --> 02:08:40,719
quickl service facility shall be
contingent upon the development the

1560
02:08:38,880 --> 02:08:45,040
developer fully satisfying all
commitments presented to city council

1561
02:08:42,880 --> 02:08:50,000
regarding the establishment of a Chipoti
restaurant. In short, once the Chipoti

1562
02:08:47,840 --> 02:08:54,880
restaurant is operational, the special
use permit will be approved.

1563
02:08:52,480 --> 02:08:59,199
And the second uh condition is the
automotive quickloop service facility

1564
02:08:56,960 --> 02:09:05,280
shall be oriented next to the Starbucks
coffee uh company building in the

1565
02:09:02,480 --> 02:09:09,119
westerly part of the lot to minimize
visual impact to neighboring

1566
02:09:06,880 --> 02:09:18,560
communities.
>> Okay. So the ordinance is provided um

1567
02:09:15,440 --> 02:09:25,920
and the condition for the city council
use permit is to uh is only granted on

1568
02:09:23,280 --> 02:09:32,159
the completion of the Chipotle
and that the quick loop would be placed

1569
02:09:29,440 --> 02:09:38,560
uh on the most westward portion of the
lot next to the Starbucks. Okay. Want to

1570
02:09:36,880 --> 02:09:41,679
make sure that I understood that. Okay.
So, we have a motion from Pete. Do we

1571
02:09:40,320 --> 02:09:45,599
have a second?
>> A second.

1572
02:09:42,639 --> 02:09:49,440
» We have a second from Christian.
We have a motion and a second, which

1573
02:09:47,199 --> 02:09:56,079
means we're now open for discussion on
the on the ordinance as proposed. Lee.

1574
02:09:53,760 --> 02:10:03,119
» Yes, sir. It's a parliamentary question
that I'll direct to you, sir. Um that is

1575
02:10:00,560 --> 02:10:10,639
that effectively doubles the number of
words in what we read as first reading

1576
02:10:06,239 --> 02:10:15,440
and it puts in some strong caveats that
in my mind undermines the intent,

1577
02:10:13,280 --> 02:10:17,920
purpose and spirit of the original
reading from the first.

1578
02:10:17,199 --> 02:10:21,040
» Doesn't matter.
>> It you're sure it doesn't matter. That's

1579
02:10:19,520 --> 02:10:27,119
why I go to you.
We uh

1580
02:10:24,159 --> 02:10:32,480
think about uh budget ordinances or
budget uh actions in Congress. The

1581
02:10:30,560 --> 02:10:36,079
budget action has all kinds of things
and then all of a sudden you look at it

1582
02:10:34,639 --> 02:10:39,280
months later after it comes out of the
House and Senate and doesn't look at all

1583
02:10:38,079 --> 02:10:43,599
like what you thought it was going to
look like. All they have to have is a

1584
02:10:41,599 --> 02:10:49,840
basket to carry the ordinance in. And
the first reading was a basket that said

1585
02:10:46,159 --> 02:10:53,440
we're talking about quick loops. We if
we were now talking about daycare

1586
02:10:51,920 --> 02:10:57,520
centers
then that would be exactly the right

1587
02:10:55,119 --> 02:11:02,000
thing but we're not we are still talking
exclusively about quick loops or quick

1588
02:11:01,040 --> 02:11:04,480
loop facilities.
>> Just try trying to stay out of the

1589
02:11:03,520 --> 02:11:06,560
minefield for
>> Yeah. No. No. It's a great question.

1590
02:11:05,920 --> 02:11:08,639
Great question.
>> Mr. Mayor, can I have a point of

1591
02:11:07,760 --> 02:11:11,520
clarification?
>> Yes.

1592
02:11:09,840 --> 02:11:17,920
» And this is directed towards the bill
and Curtis on the reading on uh Pete's

1593
02:11:15,119 --> 02:11:21,840
motion. Is it is it in accordance with
what you sent us as far as what the

1594
02:11:20,000 --> 02:11:27,199
attorney drafted up and what bitter
bitter blues approved?

1595
02:11:24,719 --> 02:11:32,800
» Yeah. So, um, and you'll probably want
to talk to Mark about it as well, too.

1596
02:11:29,840 --> 02:11:38,880
What we did is we tried to meet the same
intent that you did in your motion. Um,

1597
02:11:36,079 --> 02:11:42,079
but what I think uh your motion does is
may have you may have intended it, but I

1598
02:11:40,880 --> 02:11:46,079
think it may have unintended
consequences. So, let me just read back.

1599
02:11:43,840 --> 02:11:51,760
Maybe Curtis, you can go to the to to to
the uh the exact language. What we added

1600
02:11:49,679 --> 02:11:56,239
in there with the attorney's advice, and
it was coordinated with Mark, was that

1601
02:11:54,159 --> 02:12:05,440
the permit would only be approved as
depicted in exhibit A. Exhibit A is very

1602
02:12:00,079 --> 02:12:11,199
specific right here, right there. And u
and requires a restaurant use. We

1603
02:12:08,560 --> 02:12:15,760
purposely didn't say Chipotle because
he's he's got a letter of intent. He's

1604
02:12:13,760 --> 02:12:20,280
working on a lease. You can explain all
that, but you know, if it was a

1605
02:12:20,480 --> 02:12:27,599
um um
a chicken place or something like that.

1606
02:12:25,520 --> 02:12:33,199
I don't know that we would care whether
it's a Chipotle or whether it's um

1607
02:12:30,239 --> 02:12:36,880
what's the what did you have for lunch?
Chick-fil-A. A Chick-fil-A. I don't

1608
02:12:35,599 --> 02:12:41,040
think we care. We want a restaurant
there. So it says again requires a

1609
02:12:39,040 --> 02:12:46,400
restaurant use within the development as
depicted by is exhibit A. Any change to

1610
02:12:43,679 --> 02:12:52,239
the proposed land use is as depicted in
a exhibit A require city council

1611
02:12:49,280 --> 02:12:57,199
approval. So the permit is the ordinance
is written uh to achieve the same thing.

1612
02:12:55,440 --> 02:13:01,840
The the issue that you'll have to talk
to Mark about is and I talked to him

1613
02:12:59,920 --> 02:13:06,400
about this is the development of these
things are concurrent.

1614
02:13:03,840 --> 02:13:12,320
You're asking them essentially, hey, go
out there, secure Chipotle, get a

1615
02:13:08,320 --> 02:13:16,079
permit, build it. Once it's built, then
work through this,

1616
02:13:14,320 --> 02:13:20,560
you know, and and again, he's already
briefed you and me because I've had a

1617
02:13:18,480 --> 02:13:26,000
number of conversations with him is that
he needs a package deal and timing is

1618
02:13:23,440 --> 02:13:29,520
everything. And so, I'll just be quiet
because I want you to make sure that we

1619
02:13:27,760 --> 02:13:33,199
think we've already got a restaurant
built into the ordinance that requires

1620
02:13:31,520 --> 02:13:37,440
him to do that. We talked about the
timing of the permits because we do this

1621
02:13:35,520 --> 02:13:44,079
all the time. Someone takes a a twocar
garage that's attached to their house

1622
02:13:39,679 --> 02:13:47,440
and they want to build a um they want to
they want to close it in

1623
02:13:46,639 --> 02:13:50,079
and we've had
>> that's my whole point. and I want to

1624
02:13:48,400 --> 02:13:53,840
make sure we have a meeting of minds and
we can move forward without delineating

1625
02:13:52,639 --> 02:13:59,679
things in and
>> right. So in the permitting process we

1626
02:13:56,239 --> 02:14:04,400
say hey well you guys remember we you
required a two-car garage

1627
02:14:02,079 --> 02:14:08,159
in Elm Springs we're dealing with one
right now. I was like well I didn't know

1628
02:14:06,079 --> 02:14:12,480
that. Okay go back to the drawing board
get your thing we'll hold your permit

1629
02:14:10,320 --> 02:14:16,079
we've got you this you submit your plans
we do this and then we we approve

1630
02:14:14,239 --> 02:14:19,599
basically both of them at the same time
and that's that's how we did that. we

1631
02:14:17,679 --> 02:14:22,480
have uh controls. We talked to Mark
about that because as he develops this

1632
02:14:21,760 --> 02:14:26,639
thing,
>> it's concurrent. And so I'll shut up

1633
02:14:24,960 --> 02:14:28,880
because I just want to make sure I think
we've got it covered.

1634
02:14:28,480 --> 02:14:32,480
» But
>> and and and that that's a great

1635
02:14:30,480 --> 02:14:40,320
explanation, Bill. And so the the
question is, okay, Pete, um what Bill is

1636
02:14:36,480 --> 02:14:46,159
telling us, I think, is he's going to
bring us

1637
02:14:42,159 --> 02:14:52,239
a building plan at the same time. And if
he doesn't prevent present both building

1638
02:14:48,800 --> 02:14:55,920
plans at the same time, then he's not
going to get either one of the building

1639
02:14:53,760 --> 02:14:59,760
plans.
>> So what you're asking for, mayor, is a

1640
02:14:57,840 --> 02:15:01,920
is an amendment. So, if somebody wants
to make an amendment to mine.

1641
02:15:01,440 --> 02:15:08,560
» Uh,
>> no, no. I'm I'm I'm just uh

1642
02:15:05,520 --> 02:15:13,520
» u No, I I understand. Go ahead.
>> Is there an instrument that we could put

1643
02:15:10,239 --> 02:15:20,400
in place that says the builder will do
this congruent with each other and both

1644
02:15:17,440 --> 02:15:24,560
will be erected and in business at some
point in in a date that

1645
02:15:22,960 --> 02:15:28,480
» Well, then now now you're now you
brought up a new thing that uh you have

1646
02:15:26,880 --> 02:15:33,040
he has to submit the building plans
within a certain date. Bill has told you

1647
02:15:30,719 --> 02:15:38,800
that based on what the attorney had
proposed that Bill is not going to issue

1648
02:15:36,400 --> 02:15:43,119
a building permit that doesn't do these
things simultaneously.

1649
02:15:40,800 --> 02:15:48,880
Pete is saying he'd like to have A and
then B. Bill is saying no. I think we

1650
02:15:46,159 --> 02:15:55,040
can get there simultaneously.
Right now the motion is A and then B.

1651
02:15:53,040 --> 02:16:02,880
We can either vote on it or somebody can
make an amendment to that motion

1652
02:15:58,960 --> 02:16:09,840
and then you can start all over.
>> May make a comment. Um I think that um

1653
02:16:07,119 --> 02:16:14,719
Pete's concern
um is making sure that we have and and

1654
02:16:13,199 --> 02:16:19,360
the developer told us say it's a package
deal. That's how the numbers work,

1655
02:16:16,159 --> 02:16:23,440
right? So just let's make sure that the
restaurant is in there then we'll move

1656
02:16:20,880 --> 02:16:29,119
forward with the oil with the oil change
the quick loop facility right and the

1657
02:16:25,760 --> 02:16:34,160
orientation is more perhaps presentable
the needs of the city I and so I think

1658
02:16:31,280 --> 02:16:38,559
that aler is asking for compromise just
as you've asked us to compromise for a

1659
02:16:36,559 --> 02:16:46,960
wave you being the developers has asked
us to compromise on ordinance 0 2026002

1660
02:16:43,599 --> 02:16:52,160
got that right I think so We I I think
that Pete is just asking for a

1661
02:16:48,719 --> 02:16:57,439
compromise for the orientation of how it
happens to make sure that the vision,

1662
02:16:56,000 --> 02:17:02,479
the needs of the community, whatever is
still met accordingly.

1663
02:16:59,200 --> 02:17:07,760
» Okay. So, so now now let's go back and
clarify one more thing.

1664
02:17:04,399 --> 02:17:12,479
» What one more thing on that? Um once you
break ground, you've broken ground and

1665
02:17:10,240 --> 02:17:17,439
it's really
you're you're not coming back. Okay. I'm

1666
02:17:15,760 --> 02:17:20,240
sorry. I got away from my mic.
>> Once you break ground, you've broken

1667
02:17:19,200 --> 02:17:22,800
ground.
>> Okay.

1668
02:17:20,800 --> 02:17:29,359
» Are you saying completion or you saying
breaking ground on the restaurant?

1669
02:17:26,800 --> 02:17:33,519
» I I that Yeah, I'm I'm asking you what
you wanted, Pete, because Yeah. Well, I

1670
02:17:32,000 --> 02:17:39,920
want to I
>> It is completion. Okay. Okay. Conrad,

1671
02:17:38,080 --> 02:17:43,439
» could we [snorts] ask a developer?
>> Yeah. Can I really like to speak? I'm

1672
02:17:42,080 --> 02:17:46,319
kind of dying here.
>> You've been so patient.

1673
02:17:44,240 --> 02:17:51,359
» Okay. I would not I don't have a problem
at all in saying that I have to get the

1674
02:17:48,479 --> 02:17:55,439
building permit for the Chipoti before I
get the valvalane. I am further along

1675
02:17:53,359 --> 02:17:59,519
with that. But to say it has to be open
for business just doesn't work. It just

1676
02:17:57,519 --> 02:18:03,519
takes too long. Takes too long to build
the building then I have to put

1677
02:18:00,960 --> 02:18:08,000
valvalene off and it just is it just
doesn't work for us. As far as flipping

1678
02:18:06,080 --> 02:18:13,040
the sites, we've looked at this several
times and the grades for the way this

1679
02:18:10,800 --> 02:18:19,679
building is situated. the grades just
don't work. I That's a long building and

1680
02:18:16,800 --> 02:18:24,639
it just doesn't work on the other site.
And that's our problem. The other real

1681
02:18:22,000 --> 02:18:29,120
problem is I have real estate committees
that literally are approving things. I

1682
02:18:27,120 --> 02:18:33,519
mean, the levels of of approvals for
these companies, you just can't imagine

1683
02:18:31,920 --> 02:18:37,679
how long it takes and how difficult it
is. If I start over with them right now

1684
02:18:35,599 --> 02:18:41,120
and say, "Oh, you know, Chipulti, can
you please go on the other side?" I'm

1685
02:18:39,200 --> 02:18:46,559
starting from ground zero. I know it
seems crazy, but you're starting from

1686
02:18:44,479 --> 02:18:52,479
ground zero. I don't I I I don't know if
I can even go back to it. We're just way

1687
02:18:49,359 --> 02:19:00,080
beyond that. But I would be willing to
say I will get the um the Chipoti. You

1688
02:18:57,120 --> 02:19:04,479
don't have to approve the the Valvvelene
special use permit until I have the

1689
02:19:02,080 --> 02:19:09,679
building permit or even like start
construction because once I get the

1690
02:19:05,920 --> 02:19:13,840
permit, I'm going to start right away.
if that would give you more comfort. And

1691
02:19:11,920 --> 02:19:18,399
I I do feel like these are really the
only two tenants I'm working with. It's

1692
02:19:15,280 --> 02:19:21,760
really valvalene and chipoti are bust at
this point in time. I mean, we just have

1693
02:19:19,840 --> 02:19:28,240
spent way too much time, money, effort,
and everything. So, this is this is the

1694
02:19:25,120 --> 02:19:33,920
plan. And but but flipping it is a
problem. And um the fact that you would

1695
02:19:31,120 --> 02:19:39,120
want it open, that's a big problem. So,
I'm just that's my two cents worth. And

1696
02:19:36,880 --> 02:19:44,559
I'm just trying to understand
if here's the site plan. So you got

1697
02:19:42,240 --> 02:19:48,160
Waterburgger here.
We're going to have a Bill Miller there

1698
02:19:46,160 --> 02:19:51,200
whenever they decide to build it.
>> Okay. Can you just tell him what they

1699
02:19:49,760 --> 02:19:53,840
told you when you told them about the
development?

1700
02:19:52,000 --> 02:19:58,479
» Well, I went to Aggie Park and I think
I've told him once before, but I went to

1701
02:19:55,520 --> 02:20:02,399
Aggie Park and the CEO of Bill Millers
is an Aggie and I'm like, "When are you

1702
02:19:59,840 --> 02:20:08,399
going to build me my Bill Bill Millers?"
He's like, "Well, 16004 hit, COVID hit.

1703
02:20:05,840 --> 02:20:11,600
We went to some redesigns, but because I
thought it was going to be this year,

1704
02:20:09,520 --> 02:20:16,399
but he's like,"Well, not not this year,
but soon." And then I said, "Well, it's

1705
02:20:14,080 --> 02:20:20,000
kind of funny. We got some town homes
going in there. We we we potentially may

1706
02:20:18,560 --> 02:20:24,720
have a hotel. We're going to have some
other retail that's in there. We got the

1707
02:20:22,160 --> 02:20:30,240
dentist office here. And we have a
Chipotle quick lube that we're work

1708
02:20:27,280 --> 02:20:34,560
quick lube of some sort in there."
And I'm not exaggerating when he said

1709
02:20:32,160 --> 02:20:40,479
quickloop. Oh, well then that's they
have a term for it where it's it's not

1710
02:20:37,520 --> 02:20:46,319
hits, it's not visits, it's exposures.
And some term where you drive by and

1711
02:20:43,760 --> 02:20:49,520
then you have an opportunity. Oh,
there's a you get in a quick lube. I'm

1712
02:20:48,560 --> 02:20:52,880
going to go to the waterburger. I'm
going to go to Bill Miller. And so he

1713
02:20:50,880 --> 02:21:00,080
was he he was optimistic that it might
actually drive up sales. And so, but I'm

1714
02:20:56,640 --> 02:21:03,439
just looking at this and whether or not
that thing is here, which which is

1715
02:21:01,920 --> 02:21:06,800
covered by a Bill Miller. There's going
to be office buildings here. There's a

1716
02:21:05,439 --> 02:21:12,000
dentist office here. There's another
dentist office that's being developed

1717
02:21:08,479 --> 02:21:17,439
right here. Um, you're not This is Pond
Hill. It goes up like this. And the town

1718
02:21:14,960 --> 02:21:22,399
homes are over here. Whether it's on
this side or that side, I'm just saying

1719
02:21:20,479 --> 02:21:26,399
I don't see the advantages. And I've
talked to to Mark about this and I've

1720
02:21:24,240 --> 02:21:30,160
said, "Hey, several people have told me
that they would like to see it on this

1721
02:21:28,560 --> 02:21:34,880
side and he's like, "It doesn't work
because of the engineering." But if I'm

1722
02:21:32,720 --> 02:21:39,680
just being completely objective, not
arguing with anyone, is there really an

1723
02:21:37,920 --> 02:21:43,920
advantage to being on the west or the
east side?

1724
02:21:41,600 --> 02:21:50,479
And
there's a little feeder road. Yeah.

1725
02:21:46,160 --> 02:21:54,000
Right here you can access into here.
how much traffic is really residential

1726
02:21:52,640 --> 02:21:57,840
traffic is going to be coming from here
to there that's really going to care

1727
02:21:55,359 --> 02:22:04,880
whether there's I just don't see it. I'm
just not trying to argue just pointing

1728
02:22:00,399 --> 02:22:08,080
that out. Okay, Conraan,
>> correct me if I'm wrong, but I think

1729
02:22:06,240 --> 02:22:12,800
Pete's getting to the visual effect of
this place and and what what it looks

1730
02:22:11,120 --> 02:22:19,120
like.
If you I spent some time over there and

1731
02:22:15,680 --> 02:22:26,319
trying to walk walk it and look and it
I'm guessing that because it would be

1732
02:22:22,240 --> 02:22:33,439
behind Starbucks and it to your what
you're talking about the grade and it

1733
02:22:28,560 --> 02:22:38,720
would be less visible. Um is is that
yeah so that's the idea. So maybe we go

1734
02:22:36,399 --> 02:22:42,000
with that idea and just understand that
maybe there's really nice landscaping

1735
02:22:40,720 --> 02:22:47,680
like I was talking about earlier or
something like that the commitment on on

1736
02:22:43,680 --> 02:22:50,960
your part um to make that happen.
>> Okay.

1737
02:22:48,319 --> 02:22:57,200
» Yes. Definitely open to that.
>> Yeah. Okay. Um I think we've talked

1738
02:22:53,680 --> 02:23:03,040
around the issue on pizza motion. Uh you
have two choices.

1739
02:22:59,760 --> 02:23:08,479
Um, you can approve Pete's motion, you
can amend Pete's motion. Three options.

1740
02:23:05,600 --> 02:23:12,439
You can or you can vote down Pete's
motion and start over.

1741
02:23:12,720 --> 02:23:20,720
So, we have a motion and a second. Is
anybody offering anything different?

1742
02:23:18,800 --> 02:23:24,600
Because Pete said, "Well, if you want to
amend it, amend it."

1743
02:23:26,640 --> 02:23:31,120
Conrad
>> or Buddy.

1744
02:23:30,240 --> 02:23:33,760
» Go ahead, buddy.
>> I mean, I'll give Pete the option. If if

1745
02:23:32,800 --> 02:23:37,040
you don't want to take the option, I'll
amend it.

1746
02:23:34,479 --> 02:23:41,264
» Okay. Well, then we'll consider the
amendment.

1747
02:23:37,520 --> 02:23:41,264
» Your paper down. [laughter]

1748
02:23:47,200 --> 02:23:56,080
» No.
>> Yeah, I will. I'll use your notes.

1749
02:23:51,439 --> 02:24:02,880
Motion to approve ordinance 0 20263.
um

1750
02:23:58,720 --> 02:24:09,439
chapter 36 uh automotive quickl facility
as special use permit uh B1B2/B2

1751
02:24:06,640 --> 02:24:15,280
business uh districts under the
following conditions and the restaurant

1752
02:24:11,760 --> 02:24:18,880
prerequisite uh approval of any special
use permit for an automotive quick loop

1753
02:24:17,280 --> 02:24:24,080
service facility shall be contingent
upon the developer fully satisfying all

1754
02:24:21,280 --> 02:24:30,000
commitments presented to the city
council regarding the establishment of

1755
02:24:25,920 --> 02:24:34,560
of a restaurant. Period. And fast loop
orientation. The auto automotive quick

1756
02:24:32,319 --> 02:24:42,319
loop service facility shall be oriented
next to the Starbucks coffee.

1757
02:24:38,560 --> 02:24:46,120
Scratch that and just leave it at that
with their full commitment.

1758
02:24:46,240 --> 02:24:53,280
» Okay.
>> Okay. Mr. Mayor,

1759
02:24:50,800 --> 02:24:56,080
» can I get a clarification on that? that
>> I'll give you a clarification, but first

1760
02:24:54,720 --> 02:24:58,960
I want to listen to
>> the language.

1761
02:24:57,760 --> 02:25:00,240
» That's the wrong
>> ordinance,

1762
02:24:59,680 --> 02:25:03,280
» sir.
>> Yes.

1763
02:25:01,040 --> 02:25:06,720
» My name's Powers. How are you, sir?
>> Thank you for being here. Um, I

1764
02:25:05,280 --> 02:25:11,439
understand topography and the
requirements of building places where

1765
02:25:08,720 --> 02:25:16,479
they can take advantage of topography,
access to sewage and water, etc., etc.

1766
02:25:14,160 --> 02:25:20,960
Done some building myself.
I want to make sure that we get a clean

1767
02:25:18,000 --> 02:25:28,000
read on this. And before I vote on it, I
want you to tell me if it's a deal kill

1768
02:25:25,200 --> 02:25:33,920
spit. Deal killer, as I heard you say a
little while ago in nicer terms before

1769
02:25:30,960 --> 02:25:39,120
uh I vote on it. So if Mr. Mayor, if you
could read the ordinance that we're

1770
02:25:36,080 --> 02:25:41,680
going to be voting on, a clean version
so he can listen to it, make sure that

1771
02:25:40,960 --> 02:25:46,399
we're on the same.
>> We got to make sure we get 03, not 02.

1772
02:25:43,920 --> 02:25:50,319
» 03 002 again.
>> We got a sec. We need a second.

1773
02:25:58,105 --> 02:26:00,125
» [laughter]

1774
02:26:09,280 --> 02:26:14,535
» Okay, buddy. What I think you've said
[laughter]

1775
02:26:15,280 --> 02:26:22,200
is motion motion to approve ordinance
0202603

1776
02:26:22,319 --> 02:26:25,560
to allow

1777
02:26:25,680 --> 02:26:37,359
an automatic quickloop service facility
CC under chapter 36 as a special use

1778
02:26:32,080 --> 02:26:41,240
permit in B1 B2 business
under the following conditions.

1779
02:26:43,200 --> 02:26:48,880
Well,
under the following conditions, approval

1780
02:26:46,960 --> 02:26:53,359
of the special use permit for an
automatic quick loop service facility

1781
02:26:51,439 --> 02:26:57,600
shall be contingent upon the developer
fully satisfying all commitments

1782
02:26:55,680 --> 02:27:02,319
presented to the city council regarding
the establishment of a restaurant.

1783
02:27:01,840 --> 02:27:08,120
» Yes.
>> So, I'm looking for something that

1784
02:27:03,760 --> 02:27:08,120
includes county block 4782E.

1785
02:27:09,120 --> 02:27:12,120
Okay.

1786
02:27:13,760 --> 02:27:20,520
No, no. I'm just taking what was handed
to me there. Okay.

1787
02:27:31,280 --> 02:27:39,280
Okay. So, now I'll read what I think
Bill is suggesting in addition to the

1788
02:27:36,319 --> 02:27:39,280
other

1789
02:27:41,040 --> 02:27:49,439
Motion to approve ordinance 02026003
granting an automatic quick loop

1790
02:27:46,080 --> 02:27:53,520
facility CC special use permit to a B1
commercially zoned lot designated lot

1791
02:27:52,000 --> 02:28:00,000
2314
of block 44 of County block 4782E

1792
02:27:58,080 --> 02:28:04,640
in the Pondill East commercial
subdivision

1793
02:28:02,000 --> 02:28:10,399
uh under the following conditions.
Approval of any special use permit for

1794
02:28:07,600 --> 02:28:15,040
an automatic quicklude facility shall be
contingent upon the developer fully

1795
02:28:12,560 --> 02:28:18,720
satisfying all commitments presented to
the city council regarding the

1796
02:28:16,560 --> 02:28:22,880
establishment of a restaurant.
>> So moved.

1797
02:28:20,080 --> 02:28:26,920
» No, I'm asking you. I'm I'm just telling
you what I think you said.

1798
02:28:29,280 --> 02:28:37,680
» Yes, I'm I'm comfortable with that.
>> Yes. Well, we didn't we didn't exactly

1799
02:28:34,720 --> 02:28:42,640
get a presentation from the developer,
right? Like a the commitment we talked

1800
02:28:40,080 --> 02:28:47,359
about is
>> No, Bill has the Bill has the drawing.

1801
02:28:45,920 --> 02:28:49,200
We have the drawing that we have
>> the drawing and that. So, we're going to

1802
02:28:48,319 --> 02:28:55,600
base off that
>> that is the what we're basing this on.

1803
02:28:52,080 --> 02:29:01,200
Bill, correct me if I'm wrong. Okay. I
have a motion to amend.

1804
02:28:59,280 --> 02:29:05,920
Um,
and I'll ask Pete whether you consider

1805
02:29:03,200 --> 02:29:09,840
this to be a replacement motion or a
motion to amend.

1806
02:29:08,240 --> 02:29:18,560
» It's a replacement.
>> Okay. So, um, it just means it takes two

1807
02:29:13,520 --> 02:29:23,280
votes. Okay. Do I have a second on the
uh on the uh replacement motion, which

1808
02:29:21,520 --> 02:29:29,479
is a motion to amend? Do I have a
second? Okay. So, now I have Buddy and

1809
02:29:26,479 --> 02:29:29,479
Lee.

1810
02:29:36,720 --> 02:29:45,600
Okay.
On the second motion,

1811
02:29:42,640 --> 02:29:50,560
um, do we have any further discussion on
the second motion?

1812
02:29:48,240 --> 02:29:52,720
Okay. There being no discussion, all in
favor say I.

1813
02:29:51,680 --> 02:29:55,040
» I.
>> I.

1814
02:29:53,439 --> 02:29:59,840
» All oppose, same sign.
>> Nay.

1815
02:29:55,840 --> 02:30:04,960
» Okay. That motion carries 41. Okay. Now
that motion has become the primary

1816
02:30:01,439 --> 02:30:12,880
motion. We have to vote again on exactly
the same thing. Okay. Just

1817
02:30:08,640 --> 02:30:19,280
Okay. So, as the primary motion, we have
a motion to approve ordinance 02026003

1818
02:30:17,040 --> 02:30:27,520
granting an automatic quick lube service
facility CC special use permit to a B1

1819
02:30:23,040 --> 02:30:35,359
commercial zoned lot designated lot 2314
of block 44 of County block 4782

1820
02:30:31,200 --> 02:30:40,640
east of E of the Pondill
East commercial subdivision under the

1821
02:30:38,720 --> 02:30:44,800
following conditions. Approval of the
special use permit for an automotive

1822
02:30:42,800 --> 02:30:49,840
quickloop service facility shall be
contingent upon the developer fully

1823
02:30:46,479 --> 02:30:55,040
satisfying all commitments presented to
the city council regarding the

1824
02:30:51,680 --> 02:30:59,359
establishment of a restaurant.
Okay,

1825
02:30:56,960 --> 02:31:02,560
that is our primary motion made by
Buddy, seconded by Lee. All in favor say

1826
02:31:02,080 --> 02:31:05,280
I.
>> I.

1827
02:31:03,600 --> 02:31:07,280
» I.
>> All oppose, same sign.

1828
02:31:06,880 --> 02:31:13,680
» Nay.
>> Nay. The primary motion as amended

1829
02:31:11,040 --> 02:31:17,439
passes 32.
>> Okay, Mark. Thank you.

1830
02:31:15,760 --> 02:31:21,120
» Thank you very much.
>> Brings us to item number nine. Do we

1831
02:31:19,600 --> 02:31:22,880
have a motion to adjurnn?
>> Thank you. Y

1832
02:31:21,840 --> 02:31:28,319
» motion journ.
>> We have a motion from Pete, I mean from

1833
02:31:25,120 --> 02:31:31,200
Conrad. We have a second from Lee.
>> All in favor say I.

1834
02:31:30,160 --> 02:31:35,160
» I. I.
>> All oppose. Same sign.