[0:01] The pledge of allegiance will be led by
Christian Lions and the invocation by
[0:05] Pete Miller. If you'd all please rise
and remove your hats.
[0:11] » I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America.
[0:15] » To the republic for which it stands, one
nation under God, indivisible, with
[0:22] liberty and justice for all.
Heavenly Father, as we gather to serve
[0:28] our community, guide our hearts and
minds. Remind us of the seven dangers of
[0:33] human virtue, wealth without work,
pleasure without conscience, knowledge
[0:40] without character, business without
ethics, science without human humanity,
[0:46] religion without sacrifice, and politics
without principle. Grant us clarity,
[0:52] humility, and unity this evening as we
serve our residents. May every decision
[0:58] that we make be [clears throat] grounded
in principle and directed towards the
[1:01] good of those that we serve. In your
name we pray. Amen.
[1:11] Okay.
[1:15] Okay. Um
citizens to be heard. Item number three,
[1:21] John Willing. John, if you'd say where
you live. Come on up.
[1:27] » No, no. Come up into the lectern,
please.
[1:33] It's nice to be able to walk.
>> Yes. I live at 113 Cliffside.
[1:44] » Okay.
>> Go ahead, please.
[1:45] » Okay. Uh first of all I want to say the
uh July the 4th of July which is
[1:50] actually we did it early that whole
celebration was very well done really
[1:55] really well done and I think everybody
would agree on that if you went uh we
[1:59] had a great celebration and so it
brought a good memory. I also loved it
[2:03] uh going up and down the highway today.
I don't know when it was actually done
[2:06] but I saw that all the the beew weeds
were actually moaned downh today. So it
[2:12] was a relief to the eye. It was actually
very beautiful. So, whoever did the
[2:16] mowing job did a nice job. And I know
maybe somebody wasn't happy about that,
[2:19] but I think the bees will be okay. You
know, any rate, um I just want to say
[2:24] something about the uh zoning change uh
that is uh being proposed for having the
[2:30] Jify Lube and the Chipotle right in that
area. I'm more particularly concerned
[2:34] about the uh the Jify Lube. Not majorly
concerned, but I do have some concerns
[2:41] because it brings up some issues. You
know, I just I really believe that
[2:44] beautiful cities that I've seen have
strong zoning enforced. You can really
[2:49] tell that it's been planned. And I think
that without any strong guidance in the
[2:55] city planning, the appearance of a city
can look haphazard. It can have lots of
[2:59] independent looks and architecture and
conflicts. I studied architecture for a
[3:03] couple of years in college and I just,
you know, learned a lot from that that
[3:07] it really does make a difference in a a
feeling of a city when you plan it.
[3:11] Houston suffered a lot from that effect.
You can see it when you drive through
[3:14] the city. There was just caphazard
zoning and I'd hate to see that happen
[3:18] in our little community of Shavano Park.
Even though we're not big, you know,
[3:22] it'd be really sad to see that happen.
So, some of the specific questions would
[3:26] be noise levels from the Jiful. If if
there's people who would some of the
[3:30] Chipotle's have dining and some of them
don't outside, uh there could be kind of
[3:35] noisy if it's in close proximity to the
building. It seems like there would have
[3:38] to be a really good separation there.
So, I think that uh when tires are being
[3:44] topped off and there's clanging of auto
parts and cars coming in and out, that
[3:48] could be not a really great environment
for a restaurant, you know, very close
[3:52] to it. Uh, so I wonder if this Chipotle
would have outdoor seating at this
[3:57] location and how much parking will be
available for customers for Chipotle and
[4:02] for Jiffy Lube and will there be space
between the two companies? And I think
[4:08] another concern I have is allowing the
zoning change for Zify Jiffy Lube could
[4:14] also very easily set a precedent for the
future to keep on making exceptions for
[4:20] this business and another business and
another business and you have to do that
[4:24] at times. But if you are forced into it
and oh well look what you did over here
[4:29] maybe somebody brings a legal problem in
front of you because that happened. That
[4:33] could be a really sad thing to happen in
Chav Park. Look, those are my comments.
[4:38] So,
>> thank you very much, [clears throat]
[4:39] John. We appreciate it.
>> Uh, Susan Willings. Susan, if you could
[4:43] tell us where you live.
>> I live also at 113 Cliffside. Thank you,
[4:49] Pete, for the reminder of those seven
virtues. I really appreciated hearing
[4:53] those and I think that really set our
minds in a beautiful place tonight. I
[4:57] really thank you. Um, this is not
related right now to the ordinance, but
[5:02] I just want to say I don't know if it's
possible, but um, I really appreciate
[5:07] what Kevin Walker and Brian E have done
at the end of Cliffside Drive, and I
[5:12] wonder maybe this has already been done,
but I it'd be nice if the city or city
[5:18] council would send a thank you note to
them. I walk that every day and I notice
[5:23] how many hours Kevin has spent loading
rocks and soil to that and it really has
[5:28] beautified the front of our street which
I greatly appreciate and um I look
[5:33] forward someday to having our own
monument there on the corner of
[5:37] Northwest Military and Days of Olive
looking more updated and beautiful
[5:41] because this is a beautiful city and I
was just hoping it could reflect that
[5:46] because that's you know people make a
lot of judgments when they drive past
[5:49] there all the
about our neighborhood and so I'm hoping
[5:54] um there can be some wonderful input to
go to there to modernize it and make it
[5:58] look lovely.
When I first now talking about the um
[6:03] the going in of the restaurant and the
Jify Lube, I think my first reaction was
[6:08] a concern about wow,
you know, we don't have a whole lot of
[6:13] acres left and I was just thinking I
mean I I I might be speaking out of turn
[6:18] because I'm not the developer and I
don't know how hard it is to get
[6:22] businesses attracted to it and
especially that particular lot with the
[6:25] traffic flow, but I was hoping there
could be more a little bit more classy
[6:31] kind of a you know restaurant or
something that could be attracted to
[6:34] that area. Just um so I'm just I'm not
saying don't but I'm just saying you
[6:42] know be cautious about being too hasty
to approve and you know maybe it's it is
[6:49] like I say very difficult to find
someone who would be attracted to that
[6:53] particular property to build something.
Anyway, thank you for the fact that you
[6:59] all work so hard to make these decisions
and want to honor our community.
[7:04] » Susan, thank you very much. Appreciate
it.
[7:08] » Okay. Uh that brings us to item number
four, city council comments. Christian
[7:15] time. Thank you.
>> Okay, Lee,
[7:20] I'd like to thank you all for showing
up. Whatever your motivation is, it's
[7:24] always good to see people involved
civically in government. It gets lonely
[7:28] up here on the das when nobody's in the
crowd. Uh, and I'd like to remind you
[7:32] that we are in the middle of the budget
process and staff has done an incredible
[7:38] job of making sense of all the things
that go into running a city. And uh I
[7:44] hope that you appreciate the uh
employees here that do so much to help
[7:49] us to make life better for you folks.
Thank you.
[7:53] » Okay. Thank you, Pete.
>> Yeah. Hope hopefully you've all noticed
[7:57] on Desavalas the project is coming to
completion and uh it was funny because
[8:02] uh I guess it was over a year ago, you
know, the contractor got up and said
[8:06] it'll be 13 months to do this and I
thought, "Oh, come on. It's going to be
[8:09] a little bit longer than that." And
we've we've hit the 13month mark.
[8:13] There's a lot of people that put a lot
of work into making that happen. Uh so I
[8:17] want to want want to thank those in in
particular our staff. When you look at
[8:21] Bill, Johnny, Curtis, Brenda, and the
police department that all put a lot of
[8:26] work into making sure that it was safe
and and that things went correctly. uh
[8:31] our contractor did an outstanding job,
J3 the engineering uh city engineer did
[8:36] an outstanding job, the inspector and
also we had a committee of of uh
[8:42] citizens that helped drive that uh
making sure that it was done correctly.
[8:46] Uh and most of all the citizens that
live on Desavalis that put up with all
[8:52] the noise and the construction really
really thank them as well. Uh but we're
[8:57] getting really close and I think that uh
we're all going to be very pleased with
[9:00] it.
>> Conrad
[9:03] » like echo that that some citizens
involved in the days of all project and
[9:07] the and the work they put in. I'll
appreciate that. It's it's all volunteer
[9:11] and it's it's good work. Um in addition
to Kevin Walker, I think Brian Neck was
[9:17] part of that too and it's it's right at
the end of Cliffside and military can go
[9:20] by and check it out. That's citizens
initiating that on their own doing that.
[9:24] a little bit of a help with some soil
and stuff from the city, but it it looks
[9:30] so good and so appreciative. Thank you.
>> Just I normally don't comment during
[9:36] council comments, but I do want to
commend uh Kevin and and Brian. I've
[9:41] talked to both of them. Uh but I also
want to thank Frank and Johnny for all
[9:45] the work that they've done and getting
the materials over there to help them.
[9:48] Uh you can have a great vision, but if
you don't have the stuff to work with,
[9:53] you you don't have the stuff to work
with. It's having a really great set of
[9:57] Play-Doh as a kiddo, but if you don't
have the little extrusion devices, you
[10:01] can't do the really cool stuff with the
Play-Doh. So, thank you guys for helping
[10:05] out with Kevin and Brian so very much.
Um, brings us to item number five,
[10:10] presentations, commentations, and
announcements. Proclamations
[10:15] 2026 Independence Day event sponsors. Uh
we are absolutely blessed to have so
[10:22] many sponsors that make such a big
difference in Shavano Park and we have
[10:26] some that have been here for years and
others that have come and gone from a
[10:30] time to time. Um and then of course we
have our Shavano Park women who just
[10:35] have made all the difference in the
world. They have been the glue that has
[10:39] hold this held this community together
for 71 years and and the city has only
[10:44] been here for 70. So, uh, they have just
made all the difference in the world. I
[10:49] suggested that when they did their 70th
anniversary that they wear t-shirts that
[10:53] said 70 years of excellence because it
has been 70 years of of excellence for
[10:58] them, but some of them it was just too
darn close to their age and they didn't
[11:02] want to put on that 70 years. So, I I
can fully understand that. Uh, we have
[11:08] we have five five entities that we're
going to recognize this evening. Uh,
[11:12] CERS Engineer is our first. Do I have
anybody from Collier's engineering to
[11:16] accept the proclamation?
I didn't see anybody come in from Cyers.
[11:20] We get to see them all the time. They
probably are thinking, golly, we'll pick
[11:24] those up on some other time because uh
we do spend so much time with them and
[11:28] and I'll thank them individually.
[11:33] The next one is Martin Marietta. Do I
have anybody from Martin? Oh, great.
[11:38] Great. Come on down. Uh, and I'll even
give you a chance to to give a little
[11:42] bit of information about yourself.
I'm going to come out there and we're
[11:45] going to take a picture together.
[11:55] Just just a couple of words that I'll
say uh going going back over 25 years.
[12:00] Martin Marietta has been on this side on
this side. Uh has been instrumental in
[12:06] our communities going back to when Tommy
Payton got them involved in our
[12:10] community. They have done barbecues for
us. They've done community events. And
[12:15] we come forward to today and Martin
Marietta a quarter over a quarter of a
[12:21] century later has been perhaps our
longest sustaining supporter outside of
[12:27] the Shavano Park women and and on behalf
of the city of Shavano Park I want to
[12:31] thank you for your great contribution
and all that you do for us. Keep up the
[12:35] great work and appreciate everything.
Thank you so much. [applause]
[12:55] is well it may not be in the right
order. Uh the next one is recognizing
[13:01] Petland.
Come on down
[13:07] Glenn. We appreciate you coming down
today to be with us. Uh we are excited
[13:11] to have you as a part of the Shavano
Park community. Y'all have made a great
[13:15] contribution over there. We were
concerned about getting that uh that
[13:19] development center uh in place and y'all
have been the anchor for it. Thank you
[13:23] for all that you do in Shavano Park.
Keep up the great work.
[13:28] [applause]
[13:33] And then for all of you who came to our
Independence Day celebration, and I hope
[13:39] almost everybody did that's here, uh,
y'all got to have some of the best
[13:43] fajitas in Texas. And and I'm going to
tell you that y'all enjoyed them so much
[13:49] and y'all got such healthy portions of
them that by the time I got there, there
[13:54] wasn't anything left but the crumbs. and
and so I don't know if that was planned
[13:59] in advance that we're going to have a
really great time and feed all the
[14:02] citizens and all the participants, but
we're not going to feed the mayor. But
[14:07] it worked out perfectly. I want to tell
you it worked out perfectly. And so
[14:11] today we got uh Brandon and Evan here to
to be with us today. Come on down,
[14:16] gentlemen.
Uh, these guys were part of the cooking
[14:20] team that provided us the most the best
fajitas in Texas, I believe, is the way
[14:26] that I described it in the chef in our
newsletter, the road.
[14:35] [applause] Y'all have done an amazing
job. Thank you so very much.
[14:40] » Good to be with you.
[14:44] Republic.
[14:57] These guys are doing an awesome job.
[15:05] [applause]
[15:26] Item 5.2, Proclamation, San Antonio
Rodeo uh Radio Club and Amateur Radio
[15:32] Week. Uh for 105 years, the San Antonio
Radio Club has been active in our
[15:40] community. Uh these are the guys that
during World War I were um World War II,
[15:46] Korea, Vietnam, and coming all the way
forward to today were bouncing things
[15:50] off the ionosphere and telling us, "Hey,
this is what's happening over in Burma
[15:56] or in Saipan or wherever else around the
world because they're there to take care
[16:02] of radio communications in the event of
catastrophes. They do an absolutely
[16:08] amazing job. We're so excited to have
them be in our pavilion. It makes it a
[16:12] whole lot more comfortable. Uh I I have
gone to be with them every one of the
[16:17] last uh 12 years except for COVID year
in which case they still had their their
[16:24] annual event. They just didn't have it
here in Shavano Park. Uh they had the
[16:28] highest participation of any year that
we have had in Shavano Park. Really
[16:34] great to see an organization. You think
about an organization that's 100 years
[16:37] old and you're thinking that all the
members are 100 years old, but that's
[16:41] not the way that it is with the San
Antonio radio club. And um today we've
[16:46] got John April with us to accept the
proclamation on behalf of the
[16:50] organization.
[17:12] » [applause]
[17:27] » All right.
grab my grab my phone if you don't mind.
[17:32] I'd just like to say uh quick word here
uh about this certificate, the
[17:39] president's certificate of appreciation
uh that uh uh on behalf of the San
[17:44] Antonio radio club. I'd like to present
this president's certificate of
[17:47] appreciation to the city of Shavono
Park. For more than two decades, the
[17:51] city has graciously hosted our annual
amateur radio relay league field day
[17:56] exercise. Your continued support
um has provided us with a place to not
[18:02] only train for emergency communications,
but also to invite members of the public
[18:06] to experience the amateur uh radio
firsthand.
[18:10] Every year, people who have never
touched a radio before have had the
[18:14] opportunity to get on the air, learn
about emergency communication, and see
[18:18] how volunteers can serve their
communities when they're uh needed most.
[18:23] So, we sincerely appreciate the city's
participation or partnership,
[18:28] hospitality, and commitment to public
this public event, its mission a su a
[18:34] success every year. Your support has
helped make field day a tradition that
[18:39] strengthens emergency preparedness,
promotes public awareness, and connects
[18:44] our community with the important role of
amateur radio.
[18:48] So, thank you.
[19:00] » [applause]
[19:20] » Okay. Item 5.3, recognition
police officer Espinosa and Officer
[19:28] Schumacher for their DWI
reduction efforts during calendar years
[19:33] 2024 and 2025. Chief,
>> hey, good evening, Mayor and Council.
[19:37] So, every year the police department
recognizes uh one officer within the
[19:41] department that has most DWI related uh
arrests. And historically, we submit
[19:46] that nomination to Mothers Against Drunk
Drivers, MAD, who has an annual lunchon
[19:52] every year. Um, they historically, they
used to do it within every Texas region.
[19:57] However, in 2024, they cut back and held
it in two locations throughout Texas,
[20:02] one being Dallas, the other being
Houston. Um, so we were unable to make
[20:06] those locations. Um, so in order to keep
with the tradition, um, we're going to
[20:10] begin to host these recognitions here
within the city council, uh, for our
[20:14] department. And so with that, I'd like
to recognize, um, officer Espinosa with
[20:20] the most DWI related arrest for calendar
year 2024 and officer Brandon Schemacher
[20:26] for the most DWI related arrests for the
calendar year 2025.
[20:32] [applause]
[20:42] Go up and get a picture.
[20:48] Officer. Yeah. Bring your whole family
down,
[20:52] » please.
[21:04] I'll get him.
[21:21] [applause]
[21:27] Item 5.4, Four, recognition, excellence
in performance for the fire department
[21:31] shift C emergency management services
EMS for the quarter ending June 30th for
[21:38] life-saving efforts.
Chief,
[21:44] » thank you, Mayor and Council. Uh first,
I'd like to thank uh Chief Fox for
[21:48] bringing this to my attention and uh
actually making this nomination for the
[21:52] uh employee or in this case the
employees of the quarter. Uh on the
[21:57] morning of May 14th, 2026, shortly after
8:00 a.m., Sea Shift responded to the
[22:01] scene for uh an initial report of a
female having seizures at one of our
[22:05] local medical offices. Uh as they
arrived on scene, they found a
[22:09] 27year-old female that was actually in
cardiac arrest and uh was after being
[22:14] administered anesthesia for a medical
procedure. Uh staff on scene had started
[22:19] CPR just prior to EMS arriving. uh
C-shift was able to uh start focusing on
[22:26] the patient and began man administering
an a higher level of care for the
[22:32] patient. Um along with uh CPR, a number
of medications were administered as well
[22:39] as u establishing IV access that not
typically is is able to be done uh in
[22:47] the uh facility. Uh, in this instance,
the doctor was attempting to do this and
[22:51] our staff actually was able to get the
IV long before the doctor did. Not
[22:55] saying anything bad about the doctor,
but just telling you about the
[22:58] professionalism of uh of our paramedics.
Uh, initially uh the there was a
[23:05] advanced airway that was initiated as
well and uh we continued our efforts as
[23:10] the crew moved the patient to the
ambulance. Um the patient was reassessed
[23:15] shortly after getting the into the
ambulance which was common for us and we
[23:20] had the patient had actually regained a
pulse and uh was breathing and her heart
[23:25] was beating on her own. Uh she was
transported to the hospital and his last
[23:30] reports uh is still under medical care
but is alive and doing well. So, uh,
[23:36] responding to the call that morning were
Captain Tom Gross, Lieutenant Jeff
[23:40] Kyper, who is actually the paramedic in
charge of the patient, firefighter
[23:44] paramedic Ben Bingham, uh, firefighter
paramedic Fame Morales, who is actually
[23:49] on vacation today and unable to attend,
and firefighter EMT David Sandival. So,
[23:54] uh, I've said it before and I'll say it
again. I look good because these guys
[23:57] make me look good. Uh, it's because of
their efforts, and I greatly appreciate
[24:01] all of them. [applause]
behalf
[24:10] [applause]
[24:14] of the city.
[24:31] » [applause]
[24:35] » You know, I I just will say something
because we've had an opportunity to um
[24:40] recognize our police officers and our
fire, our first responders tonight. uh
[24:45] the police officers who try to keep our
road safe
[24:50] and uh you know you pull someone over
and uh if they're intoxicated impair
[24:56] impaired you know they really have a
responsibility to keep the road safe and
[25:00] it may not be a pleasant task at times
but it is important one so thank you
[25:05] very much for doing that and then the
fact that every day our paramedics get
[25:09] called out for one to two or three or
four uh EMS calls
[25:15] and they're providing life-saving um
capability and services is just
[25:19] absolutely amazing. You're making all of
you are making a difference in our
[25:24] residents, our citizens lives, and you
set a great example. Thank you so much.
[25:30] [applause]
[25:33] I appreciate everybody that has come uh
this evening to join us. Uh, you know,
[25:39] y'all are welcome to leave now or at any
time in the future as far as the
[25:43] meeting's concerned, but thank y'all for
each coming here. Y'all have make a
[25:46] gigantic difference in our community at
our community events. We appreciate all
[25:51] of the quarters and and decades in many
cases of contributions that you've made
[25:56] to our community. Uh, brings us to item
number six, consent agenda. All matters
[26:02] listed under this item are considered
routine by the city council and will be
[26:06] enacted by one motion. There will not be
separate discussion of these items. If
[26:11] discussion is desired by any alderman on
any item, that item will be removed from
[26:15] the consent agenda and will be
considered separately. Do I have a
[26:19] motion to accept and or approve item 6.1
through 6.3?
[26:23] » Mayor, I would like to pull one of the
items.
[26:25] » No, you're not there yet. This is item
six,
[26:29] » the consent agenda.
[26:33] Do you want to pull any of 6.1 through
6.3?
[26:37] Okay. Do you have a motion for me?
>> I'd like it to have a motion.
[26:42] » Okay. We have a motion from Lee. Do I
have a second?
[26:46] » A second from Conrad. Okay. [laughter]
Uh there being no discussion, all in
[26:50] favor say I. I.
>> All oppose. Same sign. The motion
[26:55] carries.
Uh 40.
[27:04] City manager report. All matters listed
under this item considered routine by
[27:08] the city council and will only be
considered at the request of one or more
[27:12] alderman. Coincident with each listed
item, discussion will generally occur.
[27:17] Pete, I think you have a question.
>> I I do. I would like to pull item 7.4,
[27:22] which is the police department activity
report.
[27:24] » Okay. Uh we request to pull item 7.4,
for police activity report. Uh I'm going
[27:30] to need for somebody to go get the chief
for us so that he can discuss that. Uh
[27:34] does anybody wish to pull any of the
other items? Okay, there being no
[27:38] request. Chief, if you come on down and
uh Pete has a few questions concerning
[27:44] the uh police activity report. Of course
he does. So, [laughter]
[27:49] so, so chief, I I I'm so excited about
Desavalis coming to a completion, but
[27:54] one of the hardest things for me is to
go 25 miles an hour down that road. Uh,
[27:59] could you please uh tell us what what
are the plans to change that speed limit
[28:04] back from 25 to 35? And do you need
council's uh approval or guidance on
[28:09] that? Uh well, if you remember when we
lowered it, we did it on an emergency
[28:14] basis um because it was a construction
area and we felt there was a safety
[28:17] hazard. Uh and then when we formalized
it with council, I believe the
[28:21] stipulation was upon uh project
completion or council approval. Um, and
[28:27] this morning talking with city manager
during our morning huddle, I believe he
[28:32] said that they were doing a walkthrough
on Thursday to determine project
[28:36] completion or we can do it through city
council actions.
[28:40] » Yeah, the project uh will will be
complete Thursday. We're going to do a
[28:43] walkthrough punch list and then we plan
to raise the uh speed limit to 35.
[28:51] » We could get a standing ovation for that
one, I think, from everybody in the
[28:54] community. So, thank you for clarifying
that, Chief. We appreciate it so much.
[28:58] » Okay, brings us to our regular agenda
items. Um, Buddy Alamon is in court. He
[29:05] has been called for jury duty and he is
waiting for his panel to be released. We
[29:10] do have several action items that are on
the agenda. And um without objection,
[29:15] I'm going to start at the bottom of the
agenda until Buddy arrives and then we
[29:20] will go to the regular agendas. Without
objection, we're going to go to item
[29:23] 810, discussion action, review of the
annual budget calendar. Um, we were just
[29:29] meeting at a special meeting and we have
two more dates. Uh, Brenda, uh, are we
[29:36] we have those dates that you previously
provided. If you would just take a
[29:40] couple of minutes to advise the public
concerning that.
[29:44] » Uh, yes sir. So, in September, we have a
special council meeting um for the first
[29:50] reading of the budget. That is on
Monday, September 14th. That'll be at
[29:54] 5:30. And then in September, on Monday
the 21st, we were we will be having the
[30:00] crime control board meeting at 6:15. And
then the regular city council meeting at
[30:05] 6:30. That will be the second reading of
the budget, uh the ordinance for the
[30:10] budget approval, as well as the uh tax
rate resolution approval. Okay. Uh, do
[30:16] we have a motion to set the September 20
uh, September 14th and 21st meetings
[30:23] except the fiscal year 2026 27 budget
calendar is submitted and confirmed
[30:28] dates for the September 14th special
council meeting at 5:30 and the
[30:32] September 21st crime control prevention
district board of directors meeting at
[30:37] 6:15 with the regular council meeting to
immediately follow. Do we have a motion?
[30:43] Make that motion.
>> We have a motion from Conrad. We have a
[30:47] second from Lee. There being no
discussion, all in favor say I.
[30:51] » I.
>> All oppose. Same sign. The motion
[30:54] carries. 40.
Uh item 8.9 discussion action ordinance
[30:59] 0.201004
amending the fiscal year 202526
[31:04] budget. This is an administrative uh
change which means it will be take
[31:09] effect immediately. Build. Are you or
Brenda going to talk first?
[31:13] » Brenda.
>> All right. Thank you. So, we staff has a
[31:18] number of items to propose amendments to
the fiscal year 26 budget. So, they
[31:23] include uh development fees. The city
has received almost 109,000 in
[31:27] development fees relating to the
platting of the pit and the final plat
[31:30] of Napier Park. So, amounts received are
typically transferred to the capital
[31:35] replacement fund for future
infrastructure expenditures. So, we are
[31:39] proposing an increase to the development
fee revenue line item as well as an
[31:43] increase to the transfer to the capital
replacement fund line item. And then in
[31:47] the capital replacement fund, we will
see an offsetting or corresponding
[31:51] increase in the transfer from the
general fund as a revenue line item in
[31:56] that fund. U donations. The city has
received a generous $15,000 donation
[32:01] from the star family in memory of their
daughter Lisa for improvement to the
[32:05] walking trails in the MUN tract. So we
are proposing an increase of 15,000 to
[32:09] donations and offset by an increase of
the same amount to capital improvement
[32:14] project expense line item information
technology. At its June regular council
[32:20] meeting, city council approved the
purchase of an artificial intelligence
[32:23] server at a cost not not to exceed
$25,000.
[32:27] So, the amendment proposes an increase
to capital computer equipment of the
[32:31] $25,000 and we're proposing offsetting
that with an increase um in the sale to
[32:37] city assets, the partial proceeds from
the sale of a portion of the green belt
[32:41] to a resident on Box Oak. And then the
fire department had a number of smaller
[32:47] expenditure items. They also received a
couple of uh additional revenues. So,
[32:52] they typically receive a a an trauma
grant from the Southwest Texas Regional
[32:58] Advisory uh Council. That was $5,146.
So, we're prop proposing an amendment to
[33:04] increase that revenue and increase the
offsetting grant expenditure line item.
[33:08] They received $5,200 in Firewatch
revenues from an an area assisted living
[33:14] facility when their fire alarm system
went down. So, we're going to use that
[33:18] to increase their equipment maintenance
and repair budget a little bit and their
[33:23] vehicle maintenance and repair budget.
Um, the vehicle maintenance and repair.
[33:28] Big vehicles have big bills. Uh,
ambulance uh M133B required replacement
[33:33] of its onboard AC system or AC unit, a
cost of approximately $10,300.
[33:40] We're proposing increasing their EMS
revenues by a like amount. We're doing
[33:44] very well in our collections. our our
provider there is doing a really good
[33:49] job. And then uh political instability.
We're having issues with our f fuel
[33:53] prices. So, we're going to use an
increase in the plan review fees and
[33:58] operating revenue line item to increase
the vehicle and equipment fuels to get
[34:02] them through the rest of the fiscal
year. On the police side, they've
[34:06] received a generous $3,000 donation from
a city resident who specified the use of
[34:11] the funds toward police equipment as
well as employee appreciation. So, we're
[34:16] offsetting that donation by a $3,000 in
total increase in the related expenses
[34:21] where she wanted it to go. Uh, we need
to bump up the cadet uh the the tuition
[34:28] expenditure.
When we hired the cadet, it was later in
[34:32] the budget season last year and we did
not take into account their uh their
[34:37] academy tuition. So, we need to bump
that up about $3,000. We'll we think
[34:41] we'll have some additional toying
contract revenues because we've already
[34:45] maxed out that line item. So, those are
offsetting code compliance. The cleanup
[34:50] on the 102 wagon trail for $4,500. We
had originally budgeted that last year.
[34:55] However, the work wasn't done until this
year. So, we're going to bump up our
[34:59] plan review fees to offset that. And
then the police department also had some
[35:04] vehicle maintenance and repairs and uh
fuel issues. So, we're we're offsetting
[35:10] those increases in expenditures with an
increase in the plan review fees. In our
[35:15] community enhancement and engagement
fund, council bumped up the the budget
[35:18] for the city's July 4th celebration. And
we've also received some additional
[35:23] funding, especially towards the Liberty
Tree Mural. So, we're increasing our
[35:28] donation revenue line item by $5,200 and
an increase of 20,450 to the city
[35:34] sponsored events. And then on February 2
uh 2nd, 2022, I'm sorry, February 2nd,
[35:42] 2026,
city manager signed an engineering task
[35:45] order for 69 6500 for the flip cliff
side trail schematics and that was
[35:50] directed to be taking out of the
community enhancement and engagement
[35:53] fund. So, we're increasing that
expenditure line item by that amount.
[35:57] Now, moving to the water utility fund.
The water utility purchased 37.5 acre
[36:02] feet of of water rights this October and
the city had originally budgeted
[36:08] 125,000. So we need to up that uh by
260,000 because that purchase price was
[36:13] 385,000.
We have a few smaller adjustments
[36:17] proposed in the tree protection and
beautifification fund. One for the the
[36:22] two municipal beehives, one for their
tree donor program. Uh we just had
[36:28] approved at the last council meeting the
engineering task orders with collars for
[36:33] the pavement condition index and the
Turkey Creek drainage that total 58,000.
[36:38] We're proposing taking that out of our
street maintenance fund. And then also
[36:42] in the capital replacement fund, in
addition to the 109 development fees at
[36:47] its October 2025 meeting, council
approved up to 11,000 to reestablish or
[36:53] improve the irrigation system at the
Saddle Creek Triangle for a pollinator
[36:57] garden.
>> Okay. Uh thank you. You spoke more
[37:00] rapidly than you normally do. Uh could
you go back and tell me again about what
[37:05] happened at 102 Wagon Trail?
>> Yes. So that was the the abatement. So
[37:09] last year we able we were able to clean
up most of the abated rubbish. However,
[37:16] the motor oil and cooking oil cleanup
was not able to get done until this
[37:21] fiscal year. So I even though it was
budgeted for last fiscal year, the
[37:25] actual expense took place this fiscal
year. So I I'm requesting that
[37:29] adjustment.
>> Okay. I I I thought that it was an
[37:33] additional expense. I was hoping that it
was money, but I I wasn't paying
[37:37] attention well enough. Okay. Uh, Bill,
anything else that you'd like to add at
[37:41] this time?
>> Yes. Uh, great job by all the
[37:45] departments doing this. Two things I
want to highlight. Number one is almost
[37:48] everything she mentioned as a budget
amendment, we've already brought forth
[37:52] to city council and you've already
approved and there's certainly very
[37:57] little surprises or changes that just we
didn't just make it up and say, "Okay,
[38:02] uh, go forth and and approve this." The
second thing is when you say we bumped
[38:07] up revenues, we we increased the revenue
um projection line in the budget, the
[38:14] actual revenues already are there, you
know. So if we budgeted, let's say
[38:18] $100,000 for ambulance fees and we got
110.
[38:23] Most of the time we're not going to
change the budget revenue line to 110.
[38:27] We're just going to keep it at 100 and
then we'll deposit that back into fund
[38:32] balance. But as we receive more
ambulance fees, development fees, even
[38:38] permit fees, um we're just using those
increased fees that we're actually
[38:43] getting and projecting to offset the
expenses so we maintain a balanced
[38:47] budget. That's always going to mention
there can be a little confusing.
[38:53] » Okay. Uh anybody have any questions,
comments, or concerns before I entertain
[38:57] a motion? Okay. Uh, do we have a motion
to approve ordinance 0 2026004
[39:04] amending the fiscal year 2025 2026
budget? Um, do we have a motion?
[39:10] » Motion to approve.
>> We have a motion from Christian. We have
[39:13] a second.
>> We have a second from Pete.
[39:17] There being no disc. Uh, this is an
administrative ordinance which means it
[39:21] takes effect immediately. Uh we will do
budget amendments for those who are
[39:26] watching at home and are new to the
meetings once or twice a year. Uh
[39:30] because there are things that roll
through the year and instead of amending
[39:34] the budget every time that council
authorizes something, we earmark where
[39:39] the money is going to be coming from or
going to. and then we clean everything
[39:44] up in a single budgetary amendment which
actually makes our auditors much happier
[39:49] than having to go through pages and
pages of changes on different city
[39:54] council agendas. Okay. Um there being no
discussion, all in favor say I.
[39:59] » I.
>> I.
[40:01] » All oppose. Same sign. The motion
carries. Thank you, Brenda. Item 8.8
[40:06] date discussion action setting the date
for the city sponsored events citywide
[40:11] garage sale arbor day independence day
national night out our holiday festival
[40:18] Christristen
>> I can do that
[40:21] » no Bill okay
>> so uh we have six primarily primary csp
[40:27] sponsored events uh garage sale the
arbor independence day national night
[40:33] out trunk or treat and holiday festival
And we typically try to schedule them at
[40:39] the same about same time every year. But
we found that if we get out in front of
[40:44] this earlier than we used to like we
used to do this in October, November and
[40:48] then things to get tightened up that we
can start reserving the things we need
[40:52] to we can inform our employees the
employees a lot of them who have to work
[40:56] on that on those weeks uh work through
that. So um do we have the calendar
[41:02] here?
Okay. So, I'll just go down the line one
[41:07] way or the other. We're really looking
at uh we have two options for the
[41:11] citywide garage sale. March 6th or the
13th. We note that the Blackman spring
[41:15] break is the 8th through the 12th and
that tw March 27th is the Easter
[41:21] weekend. So, we're proposing that we do
this on the 13th. And so, uh we'll come
[41:26] I I'll just go through all this. If
there's any comments, we'll go from
[41:29] there. Arbor Earth Day, we try to do it
in midappril. Um they're actually Earth
[41:34] Day is actually in April. Arbor Day is
usually in the fall. We combine that
[41:40] because the Fiesta is the 15th through
the 25th and and 24th, 25th are the
[41:47] biggest days in Fiesta because it's
towards the end. We're recommending that
[41:51] our Earth Day celebrations are Saturday,
April 17th.
[41:56] the Independence Day which is usually
was always on the 4th of July. We we
[42:03] have historically done this on the
Saturday prior to that that uh allows
[42:09] people to enjoy other activities on the
4th of July including our employees. The
[42:15] uh June 26 is the Saturday before the
4th of July. And then I make note also
[42:21] that the radio club which was recognized
earlier they will come at the conclusion
[42:28] of that and they'll have their annual
radio field day the 26th and 27th. July
[42:34] 4th is a Sunday. So we did not do that
July 3rd. We pushed it you know
[42:39] basically up one day one one week there.
National night out national night outs
[42:44] always the first Tuesday of October.
That's October 5th this year. Um, and so
[42:51] that's worked pretty good. In in
previous years they've that's been a
[42:55] conflict with the Texas Municipal League
conference, but they've moved that to
[42:59] later October, November. So that's good.
Um, we're proposing that
[43:05] trunk or treat be on October 24th, which
is a week in advance, so that's not
[43:10] conflicting directly with actual trunker
Halloween. But that would be Sunday,
[43:16] October 24th.
And finally, the December um holiday
[43:21] event centered around Christmas is
historically the first Saturday in
[43:27] December. That first Saturday is
December 4th. So, we're throwing that
[43:33] out. Um the city
plans and we budget it for those amount
[43:39] and we're asking for approval of those
dates at this time.
[43:43] » Okay. Thank you very much, Bill.
Appreciate the input. Um the Arbor Day
[43:49] Earth Day is something that's beencome
become something of a tradition in
[43:52] Shavano Park. The the trunk or treat
will be coordinating with the Shavano
[43:57] Park women and and families across the
community national night out. Uh is the
[44:04] police department going to actually be
able to come up to the standard of the
[44:08] fire department this last year?
>> Okay. I just want to make sure. and uh
[44:15] Independence Day uh the the rationale
for doing it a full week plus is that in
[44:22] Shavano Park a lot of people are going
to go and travel on the 4th the 3rd 4th
[44:28] of July and so we have this wonderful
event and nobody would be showing up. Uh
[44:34] the great thing about December the 4th
on our on our holiday festival is
[44:40] Santa Claus is going to be here. I I can
just guarantee you Santa Claus is going
[44:44] to be here and it's going to snow. It
snows every first uh first Saturday in
[44:52] December. So, I know that I know that
for all the children who are watching
[44:56] right now that they're thinking, golly,
is Santa Claus going to show up in
[44:59] Shavano Park and is it going to snow?
And the answer is it's going to snow.
[45:03] And we have a city ordinance out there
someplace. I haven't been able to find
[45:06] it, but you can throw snowballs at
fathers and grandfathers all you want,
[45:11] but you can't throw snowballs at your
mothers and grandmothers without
[45:14] specific permission. Uh Pete probably
has the ordinance. He may have pulled it
[45:19] out of the books just because he was
tired of getting his granddaughter
[45:22] throwing snowballs at him, but we're
going to be doing a lot of fun. So, uh,
[45:26] we have a motion to approve the the
dates as proposed as outlined above, uh,
[45:33] for city sponsored events, the garage
sale, Arbor Day, Earth Day, Independence
[45:37] Day, National Night Out, Trunk or Treat,
the Holiday Event. Uh, do we have a
[45:41] motion?
We have a motion from Lee. Do we have a
[45:45] second?
>> Second.
[45:47] » We have a second from Conrad.
>> Is there any discussion? There being no
[45:53] discussion, all in favor say I. I
>> I
[45:56] » All oppose. Same sign. The motion
carries. Pete, did I hear you? Okay.
[46:04] Okay. Uh, brings us to
[46:09] item 8.7, discussion action, setting the
dates. Oh, we already did that. Sorry
[46:14] about that. Um, 8.6, discussion action
considering the creation of an ad hoc.
[46:20] Yes.
>> Oh, okay. Yes, I I didn't miss that.
[46:25] Okay. Uh discussion action setting the
dates for the holiday the city holidays.
[46:30] Is that going to be Bill or is that
going to be you? Okay. I think it's
[46:34] Bill. Bill.
[46:38] Well, uh the holidays are set by uh the
city council. We establish them in the
[46:43] budget as well as the uh the employee
handbook. And so then it's just a matter
[46:47] of every day, every year taking a look
at the dates that align with with what
[46:53] we normally do. Um,
see, let's see. I'm trying to think if
[46:58] there was any abnormal days.
Christmas Day. Okay. Yeah. So,
[47:05] we had an option to move Christmas Eve
to the 23rd and Christmas Day to the
[47:10] 24th or leave Christmas Eve as the 24th,
then bump the the Christmas Day
[47:15] celebration holiday until the 27th.
Staff is recommending that we keep
[47:21] Christmas Eve at the 24th and then just
bump the Christmas Day holiday to the
[47:25] 27th. Effectively gives us a 4-day
weekend. We know that most years most of
[47:31] our staff take off between Christmas and
New Year's anyway and this um
[47:39] the schedule facilitates that.
Okay. Uh Bill, did we have 14 days last
[47:46] year? Um I know that we've got one of
these that's a floating holiday for uh
[47:51] first responders day, which isn't listed
as an optional. Last year we had it
[47:56] listed as an optional holiday that you
could take one or the other of a
[48:02] different day on here. Um
we we've done that historically. Do we
[48:07] still do that in our handbook?
>> Yes. Um in the handbook in the handbook
[48:11] it'll state that they'll be able to swap
out a Veterans Day for another holiday
[48:15] if they'd prefer. I to my knowledge
nobody has ever taken up that. So, so
[48:20] Veterans Day is we have 13 holidays and
Veterans Day is an optional holiday or
[48:25] we're closed on Veterans Day this year.
>> We always have for Well, correction,
[48:29] last year you added New Year's Eve,
which gave us 14 holidays. When they add
[48:34] Patriots Day, which is the 911 day, it
does not add a holiday.
[48:40] » That's the optional one. Patriots Day is
the optional. They can swap it out.
[48:44] » Okay.
Okay. Uh, do we have a motion to approve
[48:50] the 2027 official holiday schedule as
presented?
[48:55] » We have a motion from Lee.
>> Second.
[48:58] » We have a second from Conrad. We're now
open for discussion. Is there any
[49:02] discussion?
[49:05] There being no discussion, all in favor
say I.
[49:07] » I.
>> I.
[49:09] » All oppose. Same sign. The motion
carries. Item 8.6, Six discussion action
[49:15] consideration for creating an ad hoc
city of Shavano Park bee committee for
[49:20] the purpose of maintaining healthy
beehives [clears throat]
[49:24] in a safe environment while promoting
educational activities. Uh Peter, are
[49:29] you going to talk or is this going to be
Bill? So I think it's gonna be Bill.
[49:35] [laughter]
Is it gonna be Pet or Bill?
[49:40] I'm happy to do it. But maybe maybe it's
a co-effort.
[49:46] » I'll uh I'll kick it off, Bill. So, one
of the things is uh three months ago,
[49:50] it's hard to believe we've had bees in
Shavano Park for three months. But one
[49:54] of the the key things we started to do
is is we want to be more systematic in
[49:58] the way that we manage those bees. And
so, Bill and I have actually put
[50:02] together almost a tiered type of
philosophy. And the first has to do with
[50:07] establishing and learning. And so that's
establish the bees and then making sure
[50:11] we know how to take care of them. And so
Bill and I have actually been working
[50:14] with Heather Wilps very closely and she
has been a great mentor. We've been to
[50:18] classes as well uh and have learned a
lot about bees. One of the things I was
[50:23] really surprised at though that I didn't
expect is one of the things that I've
[50:27] learned the most is about risk and the
risk of bees that uh you know our bees
[50:33] are relatively tame but we have a lot of
bees in Shavano Park that are wild bees
[50:38] and by kind of going through this
process we have learned a lot more about
[50:41] bees and the risks associated with bees
and how to how to manage those bees.
[50:46] This this the next tier that we were
talking about was actually maintain and
[50:49] protect. And that would involve, you
know, making sure that we have the
[50:53] honeybees and and start to establish a
uh a a group that would that would help
[50:59] do that, make this sustainable. Uh and
then tier three would be to promote and
[51:04] educate. Again, the whole purpose of
this is to educate our community of the
[51:08] importance of bees. uh to talk about
insecticides and the harm that that does
[51:13] to the bees and and to make sure that
people understand the importance that
[51:17] they bring.
Uh it's it's actually been interesting
[51:21] because we've uh both Bill and I have
joined the Alamo uh Beekeepers
[51:25] Association and we have I didn't think
anybody else had bees within Shaveo Park
[51:31] except for uh Heather and we're starting
to find out that multiple people have
[51:35] have bees and and we've met some at the
uh the Alamo uh uh beekeepers
[51:41] association. So the concept here is and
what we originally when we started this
[51:46] is how do you educate people in the
general public but one of the things
[51:50] that we're finding more important is how
do you educate beekeepers
[51:55] uh that have different challenges and
interface with different things. So it's
[51:58] it's the ability to bring a community
together so we can learn together. Bill,
[52:03] what did I leave out and and what else
do you want to add to it? Yeah. So,
[52:07] again, um not to belver it too long, but
keeping bees alive and safe is is
[52:13] challenging. Mostly alive because if you
don't have the right conditions, uh
[52:18] they'll swarm and find another nest and
you've lost your hive. Um our hives are
[52:23] queen from uh very domestic uh bred
bees. Believe it or not, they have a
[52:30] pedigree, so to speak, and they come
from Northern California where there's
[52:33] never been um exposed to Africanized
bees. And by having them produce males,
[52:39] which are called drones, that they're
out in the neighborhoods, any wild
[52:43] hives, actually will breed into them and
they'll breed into the very um tame
[52:47] amount. So, we're actually doing a
service there. But, we thought about the
[52:51] amount of work we do. We check it twice,
once uh once every two weeks. It's not
[52:56] very hard. It's about a an hour's worth
of work and uh it's going to be fun, but
[53:02] we need to be able to sustain that as
well as educate that. And so when you're
[53:06] talking about education programs, we
need a few more people to help us out.
[53:10] Uh there's a resident on Cliffside and
one on on Bent Oak that have hives,
[53:15] believe it or not. And we know there's
wild hives around because when we're
[53:19] doing construction projects, they're in
trees and we discover them. Um and we
[53:25] work through that. So, we're proposing
that a staff member, an alderman, three
[53:29] residents, and a subject matter expert
to act as an adviser form this ad hoc
[53:35] bee um um committee. And they would be
tasked with responsibilities such as
[53:41] maintaining the healthy beehive,
uh maintaining a safe beehive site,
[53:47] coordinating educational activities,
helping coordinate Arbor Earth Day
[53:51] educational activities to include
speakers andor a booth andor a visit to
[53:56] the uh to the beehives itself and
monitoring and fulfilling annual
[54:01] requirements to B City USA. We are B
city USA but there are some requirements
[54:05] that take you to reapplication every
time. Uh we we also attended a honeym uh
[54:11] uh class on last not this Saturday but
the Saturday before and it's fascinating
[54:16] and it would be perfect to have it um
pull out some honey in a year or two and
[54:21] then have a demonstration have uh
residents come and and help participate
[54:25] in that and then pour their honey right
into jars and take it home with them. So
[54:29] we're excited about that. But this is
intended also to help with the
[54:33] continuity of the hive. So there's just
not two people trying to take care of
[54:36] it, but we're spreading the wealth and
educating at the same time.
[54:43] » Sorry. Thank you very much. Okay. Uh at
this time, Pete, I'm going to entertain
[54:46] a motion from you to approve the
creation of an ad hoc city of Shavano
[54:50] Park B committee. I'd like for you to
name the one staff member, one alderman,
[54:54] three residents, and one subject matter
expert as advisor for the purposes of
[55:00] maintaining healthy beehives in a safe
environment while promoting educational
[55:03] activities.
>> So moved.
[55:05] » No, no. You you you get to name six
people. You have to name six people.
[55:12] » Well, we don't have the residents yet.
We were gonna
[55:14] » You don't have the res.
>> We're going to throw out, you know, a
[55:16] sane and a castinet and is the alderman.
No, no, I don't think so. I I think that
[55:24] what you can do is that you can name
your staff member, your alderman, and
[55:28] your subject matter expert, and leave it
to the three of them to name the three
[55:32] uh residents if that's acceptable to
council.
[55:36] » So, I'd be the alderman, it would be
Bill for the city. It would be uh
[55:40] Heather Wilt for uh for our
>> Okay. So, state that as a motion and
[55:45] then also say that the three will
designate the three residents. Uh so the
[55:50] motion is motion to approve the creation
of an ad hoc city of Shavano Park B
[55:55] committee with uh Bill Hill as the staff
member. Uh myself as the alderman uh
[56:03] three residents to be named at a
separate time
[56:07] and uh the subject matter expert would
be Heather Wilt.
[56:12] » Okay. uh as as uh the for the purpose of
maintaining healthy beehives in a safe
[56:18] environment while promoting educational
activities.
[56:21] » Okay. You said at a later time uh the
three residents to be selected by the
[56:26] three members of the committee or to
come back to council.
[56:32] » Uh
>> okay. To be named by the committee.
[56:36] Okay. No, that's okay. Great. Okay. So,
we have a motion to approve the
[56:41] creation. Do we have a second?
>> Second.
[56:44] » We have a second from Conrad Christian.
I don't think you're going to be on this
[56:47] committee. Sorry. We have a motion to
approve the creation of an ad hoc city
[56:53] of Shabano Park B committee uh
consisting of Bill Hill as a staff
[56:58] member.
uh Pete Miller as an alderman, three
[57:02] residents to be maimed by the other
members of the committee, one subject
[57:05] matter expert, Heather
Wilk, uh for the purpose of maintaining
[57:11] healthy beehives in the city of Shavano
Park, promoting educational activities.
[57:15] Um
we have a motion and a second.
[57:20] Do we have any discussion?
There being no discussion, all in favor
[57:26] say I.
>> I.
[57:29] All oppose. Same sign. The motion
carries. 40.
[57:34] Okay. Item 8.5, discussion, action,
boards and commissions, appointment,
[57:39] designation of council subcommittee
members to review and provide
[57:42] recommendations.
Uh Kristen, do you want to do this or do
[57:47] you want me to do this? Okay. Every year
we uh in the August time period name a
[57:52] number of people I guess September name
new members to our various committees.
[57:58] the uh planning and zoning commission,
the board of adjustments, the tree and
[58:02] beautifification committee, the water
committee, the investment committee. Uh
[58:07] there are 18 slots that are available
this year. We have already had 14 or 15
[58:13] um applications for those committees. Uh
what we have been doing the last several
[58:18] years is that there have been two
council members who have been reviewing
[58:23] the applications uh having interviews
with the people so that we have an
[58:27] opportunity to know the people who are
coming on board uh and explain what the
[58:32] committee system is about and it's been
really quite successful. Um
[58:38] Pete uh I'm uh you seem to have drawn
the black bean and you were the
[58:43] perpetual member on this so I'm going to
that you make a motion to appoint um
[58:49] two people to the boards and subcom uh
commission subcommittee.
[58:55] » So yeah, I'll be I'll be glad to
volunteer again. I uh I think it it
[59:00] brings a lot to be able to to sit down
and really talk to people and understand
[59:04] what their desires are and to understand
how the where the best fit for them is.
[59:08] Uh, you know, I one of the person that I
learned a lot from was Maggie and uh and
[59:14] she played the other part of the role
that we had and since uh Christian has
[59:18] actually taken Maggie's role, I I think
he needs to take her his role here. So,
[59:21] if he's willing to be I'd be honored,
too.
[59:23] » Okay. Thank you.
>> So, let's see your motion. So, the
[59:27] motion is to approve the appointment of
Alderman Pete Miller and uh and uh
[59:33] Christristen Christian uh to the board
of commissions and sub to the board and
[59:38] commission subcommittee.
>> Okay, we have a motion from uh from Pete
[59:45] with a second from from [clears throat]
Lee. Do we have any discussion?
[59:52] There being disc no discussion, all in
favor say I. I. I.
[59:56] » All oppose. Same sign. The motion
carries. 40 O. U. Without objection.
[1:00:04] We're going to dispense with it. We're
going to pull item four discussion
[1:00:08] action approval of city group medical
dental vision life insurance for fiscal
[1:00:13] year 2027 and authorizing this city
manager to enter into an agreement. Do I
[1:00:19] have any objection to pulling that item
from the agenda? There being no
[1:00:22] objection, item 8.4 four is pulled from
the agenda.
[1:00:28] Uh brings us to item 8.1 discussion
action ordinance 0 2026001
[1:00:34] establishing a water supply fee for
water customers of the city of Shavano
[1:00:39] Park system for the purpose of funding
the purchase of Edwards aer water
[1:00:44] acreage fee for the use of the water
system. U Al I'm going to recognize you
[1:00:49] and Bill. Who's going to speak first?
[1:00:54] » [clears throat]
>> So, in general, I'll kind of tee it up
[1:00:57] and then Al's going to come up and back
stop me, but he's really going to talk
[1:01:01] about the town hall and kind of how that
went from there.
[1:01:05] » Yeah. I'm also going to recognize the
vice chairman if he has something to add
[1:01:10] to this as well as
>> and Steve's here, Steve Fleming as well.
[1:01:15] » Yeah, Steve as well.
[1:01:19] Okay. So, most of you know this, but the
Edwards Aquifer Authority, which is a
[1:01:25] regulatory uh body, governs the use of
water from Edwards Aquifer, and it
[1:01:31] assesses pumping restrictions each day
during the times of the lower aquifer
[1:01:39] and the droughts to limit the plumbing,
the pumping, and the use of the water
[1:01:43] rights in order to maintain an adequate
water level in the aquifer. For example,
[1:01:49] in stage three restrictions,
if you have 100 acre feet of rights,
[1:01:56] you're restricted 30%
and you would only able to be used uh 7%
[1:02:03] 70% of that.
It turns out that I think it was today
[1:02:08] or yesterday we actually moved into
stage one for the first time in a long
[1:02:12] time. So that's that's very good. But
the hot summer is getting ready to
[1:02:16] happen.
Um so um in this briefing again I've got
[1:02:22] I pulled about seven or eight slides.
I did not include the entire
[1:02:28] slide deck from the the town hall that
we did. We do have them available and we
[1:02:34] could refer back to them if someone has
a question on it as we move forward from
[1:02:38] there.
But
[1:02:42] basically every year the water we have a
water advisory committee. is made up of
[1:02:46] eight residents of Shav Park. They all
live in the service area that the water
[1:02:52] system provides. We typically meet
monthly. We develop the budget. We go
[1:02:56] through amendments. We look at all the
advice that needed to operate on the
[1:03:01] water system and we always look at the
amount of pumpage of water that we have
[1:03:07] on a year-to- basis. In fact, we look at
it monthly and uh then we assess that.
[1:03:13] We've uh probably been assessing the
amount of water rights authorized for
[1:03:18] the city of Shavon Park to pump since
the EA was formed in January of 2001.
[1:03:24] Uh in that year we were issued a um a
initial permit regular permit of 541
[1:03:33] acre feet.
acref foot as you can see on the second
[1:03:38] line there is 3,00 325,000 gallons plus
I'm told that back in the day that we
[1:03:46] used to pump over 1,000 acre feet
sometimes 900 but I've actually seen
[1:03:52] records where we've had 1100 acre feet
pumped and and over time actual usage
[1:03:59] has gone down because people are
cognizant of the aquafer and they're
[1:04:02] they're selfconserving so to speak just
to work through all that. But the 541
[1:04:10] was not enough. And so there was an
initial surge in 2001, 2002, and 2003 to
[1:04:17] purchase almost 300 more acre feet. Um
we we just recently gained some records
[1:04:25] um where in 2003 we purchased water
rights for approximately $880
[1:04:32] per acre foot. And so that's where we
stand. In the last three years, as
[1:04:37] highlighted in the bottom right corner,
we have had to subleasase an additional
[1:04:43] 315 acre feet in 2023,
135 in 2024,
[1:04:50] and 266 acre feet in 2025. We are um
projecting already this year that we're
[1:04:57] going to have to lease between 100 and
200 acre feet this year. And so
[1:05:04] part of the consideration is you know
are you able to sub lease and what is
[1:05:09] the future going to um um entail. So in
the last few years we've been able to at
[1:05:19] the last minute subleas from people is
not very easy to do. You got to really
[1:05:23] knock on doors and find them. But we've
been able to do it at a reasonable cost.
[1:05:27] So the proposal to um basic by by the
whack is you know we're never going to
[1:05:34] get to where we buy enough acre feet at
least now to where we can take care of
[1:05:40] every single year's drought but we can
move ourselves closer to that sweet spot
[1:05:47] where if we have to sublease we're not
trying to sublease 300 or 250 or a lot.
[1:05:53] we're we're at a much level much smaller
level because we don't know in 10 years
[1:05:58] or 15 or 20 what the availability of of
subleasased property is going to be in
[1:06:04] terms of water rights. The other thing
that's occurring is the Edwards Aquifer
[1:06:08] Authority is constantly changing the
rules. So it used to be when I first got
[1:06:14] here if you didn't pump it you didn't
have to pay for it. And then you if you
[1:06:18] didn't pump it you could get credits for
it. Now it doesn't matter whether you
[1:06:21] pump it or you don't pump it, you have
to pay for it. We also know that in the
[1:06:24] broad scheme of things, SAS is trying to
buy thousands and thousands of acre
[1:06:28] feet. I know uh Leyon Valley is trying
to find uh acre feet. New developments
[1:06:34] that come in um and they want Sauls to
provide the water rights to water
[1:06:39] service. Sauls will agree to do that
only if the developer comes in with the
[1:06:44] water rights that they go purchase that
they can then provide. So water is a
[1:06:48] commodity that is going to become scarce
and so generally speaking we think we
[1:06:53] have a small window of opportunity even
though the prices have gone up. That's
[1:06:58] what we're going to do. Next slide. You
can see this slide shows that in 2003
[1:07:04] that uh line represents $880.
And then the from 2016 to 18 to
[1:07:13] basically 24 and 25 those are known um
price um price levels. So in 2018 when I
[1:07:21] first got here we bought some acre feet
for uh like $5,600
[1:07:27] and and that's what that in the middle
of the chart shows. And you can see that
[1:07:30] that price has gone up almost double
since then. Anyway,
[1:07:36] um again, this is um if you were just
looking at it this year, could we
[1:07:42] sublease more acre feet? And the answer
of course is yes.
[1:07:46] In 20 or 30 years, we don't know. And
this is all about protecting the water
[1:07:50] [clears throat] system. I don't have it
in my brief, but if you were to look at
[1:07:53] the slides where you show the comparison
of Shavana Park's water rates to the
[1:07:59] city of San Antonio's water rates,
you'll see that we're fairly comp
[1:08:03] compatible and and and pretty much
consistent at the lower levels even
[1:08:08] though SAWS greatly subsidizes all their
users that are in lower economic status
[1:08:15] or even to a degree low water users. But
once you get to past 12,000 gallons,
[1:08:23] 18,000 gallons, you're talking about
trip double, triple, quadruple the price
[1:08:29] in terms of what SAS charges their
residents. And a big part of that is a
[1:08:34] water supply fee, which is similar to
what we're we're uh we're we're trying
[1:08:38] to apply, but ours at a at a much stable
uh level. So again, I've already kind of
[1:08:43] talked about we're in a periodic
persistent drought, increased
[1:08:47] development, limited water rights. It
doesn't actually influence what we can
[1:08:51] pump out of the ground. We can pump as
much as out of the ground as we want. We
[1:08:56] just get um fined and then we have to
pay for the water rights in rears plus
[1:09:01] the fines and the embarrassment that
would occur. But you know what we're
[1:09:05] really trying to do is protect the water
rights for the long term. Next slide.
[1:09:12] So, we bought some um water rights last
year for
[1:09:18] um a little over 10,000. Most of the uh
the sellers were asking 14,000, 12,000
[1:09:27] and through some tough negotiations,
Johnny and I um we got those for 1028
[1:09:33] and and 105.
Um, we're for budgetary purposes we're
[1:09:39] saying 11,000. We may not be able to get
150 acre feet for 11,000, but if we did,
[1:09:44] that would be 1.65 uh million dollars.
And the water utility fund does not have
[1:09:50] $1.65 million hanging around. That's
about what our balance is, but we have a
[1:09:57] capital replacement fund. We have other
infrastructures, and we certainly don't
[1:10:00] want to draw down to zero. So, we're
looking at financing this to a degree,
[1:10:05] which would mean there would be an
annual principal payment plus an
[1:10:08] interest payment.
The terms of that have not been
[1:10:12] finalized yet. So, for just for grins,
we've used five years at 3.75 because
[1:10:17] that's what our money market is is is uh
we're making in that. Now, there's been
[1:10:23] some upward um inflation, I mean upward
gains in the money market. So what if uh
[1:10:28] the terms were more like 4% and we
spread it out six years or 4% for five
[1:10:34] years.
You know this is something that in the
[1:10:37] future will be determined once we buy
the water rights what's the exact terms
[1:10:42] but for today's purposes we just have
some illustrations here and you know
[1:10:48] shorter in a way is better to to
unencumber the the water system and the
[1:10:55] city from this debt but at the same time
if you can extend it then that reduces
[1:11:00] the payment and so a lot of that will
depend upon the cost of the water and
[1:11:04] how that flushes out at the very end.
So again, these aren't meant to be this
[1:11:09] is what we're what the exact terms are,
but if you look at that, that's a range
[1:11:14] of 365,000
to $318,000.
[1:11:20] So we go to the next slide.
>> That's per month.
[1:11:24] » Yeah. Per
per year.
[1:11:30] » Oh, right. I'm sorry. Per year for the
five years.
[1:11:33] So now we're what we're doing is we're
looking at okay well how do we recover
[1:11:38] enough funds to repay the principal and
the interest in a reasonable amount of
[1:11:44] time. And so we came up with actually
nine options that the water advisory
[1:11:48] committee um looked at over a
three-month period of time. And so what
[1:11:53] you're going to see is option number
nine here. And prior the next slide is
[1:11:57] going to be eight, but I'm just going to
cover this one here briefly.
[1:12:02] Part of the problem is is the more you
charge for water, the less users will
[1:12:08] use
intuitively.
[1:12:11] Um, so again, if you're actually looking
to pay back a known debt and we don't
[1:12:17] have economies of scale like SAS does,
SAS has got what 400,000 uh customers
[1:12:22] that they residential customers that
they provide water to plus commercial.
[1:12:27] And so, you know, fluctuations here and
there don't have a lot of effect for
[1:12:30] them, but has some um this first um
proposal option which is not the one
[1:12:39] that whack recommended the water
advisory committee but is one to be
[1:12:42] considered provides the most certainty
in the fees collected. In other words,
[1:12:47] if we know that we have um 684
[1:12:53] um
customers,
[1:12:57] » basically residential properties, they
each have a meter. And then if you
[1:13:01] multiply that by 12, some of them are in
tier one for a month, some are in tier
[1:13:06] two, some in tier three. And you can see
that in tier six, which is over 100,000
[1:13:11] gallons of water used, you know, there
are 153 months where one resident is
[1:13:17] used over 100,000 gallons. We actually
make the most money when they use
[1:13:23] 100,000 gallons because it doesn't cost
near as much to produce the water as it
[1:13:28] does to um pump it. So, um, as to
collect on it, but $36 per household,
[1:13:37] residential households, and there's a
couple commercials we'd have to add in
[1:13:40] there, [clears throat] provides us
$36,720,
[1:13:44] and that is a known that is that will
not be var variable. That's the that's
[1:13:49] the
pros and advantage to this is you have a
[1:13:53] fixed income. But you notice that 306
still is short
[1:13:58] the range that we showed you. Go back to
the slide before. The slide before that
[1:14:02] range is 312 to 365. So go back one
slide. I mean no forward two.
[1:14:12] So again, this is just the 36 gets you
into the ballpark. It doesn't get you to
[1:14:16] the whole cost of that. And uh next
slide, option two.
[1:14:23] Here we looked at a uh a hybrid in
[clears throat] which we charge each
[1:14:27] household $30. And then for tiers three,
four, five, and six, there's an
[1:14:34] additional 15 or an additional 35 or an
additional uh 25, 35, or 45. It's not
[1:14:41] cumulative. Okay? So if you were Sauls,
you would pay the 30 plus the 15. Then
[1:14:47] if you were tier 40 plus 25, plus 35,
etc. So um
[1:14:56] um
basically you can see the little call
[1:14:59] out box. The estimated revenues will
float based upon the weather and demand.
[1:15:03] So if you have a real wet year and you
don't have as much um water used, you
[1:15:09] won't even pull in 307. That's the
danger behind this one. But this does
[1:15:14] distribute some of the cost, the extra
cost for the additional water to the
[1:15:19] higher water users. Now, uh, tier three,
Johnny, correct me if I'm wrong. I think
[1:15:25] that's over, is that over 25,000 gallons
or 20,000?
[1:15:31] Do you remember?
Okay. Somewhere right there. Um, if you
[1:15:36] use 20,000 gallons, 22,000 gallons,
you're still tier two. Most of
[1:15:41] [clears throat] our Okay, there you go.
30,000.
[1:15:44] » 30,000. Go back one.
[1:15:50] So you look at tier three, four, five,
there's not a lot of revenue in those on
[1:15:56] the uh on those lines there. And again,
it'll float from there, but it does cost
[1:16:01] share from there. And if you look at
out of the
[1:16:08] numerous monthly bills,
over 6,000 of the bills were tier one,
[1:16:15] tier two, and probably only about 2500
are tiers 2, three, four, I mean three,
[1:16:21] four, five, and six. So I will tell you
that the whack you looked at a model
[1:16:27] that was strictly based upon tiers. So
you started paying at tier one, tier
[1:16:32] two, tier three, tier four, tier five,
and tier six. All different amounts. We
[1:16:37] considered how difficult that would be
to administer
[1:16:40] and then the fluctuations that would
occur on them as we move forward. And we
[1:16:46] thought that this this hybrid model
would be about
[1:16:50] a balance. Next slide.
This shows you the whole tier schedule
[1:16:56] that we currently have.
You can see the biggest up uptick in
[1:17:01] prices at at tier six after you use
100,000 gallons. Each um thousand
[1:17:07] gallons cost you 111
um
[1:17:11] 94.
Here's where you get to the specifics.
[1:17:15] 24% of our customers bills are uh are
tier one. 48 are tier 2. That's a total
[1:17:24] of 72% of the customers are all tier
one, tier two and would not receive th
[1:17:30] those tiered um in influx.
Any questions on that?
[1:17:37] Okay, next slide.
Okay, turn it over to Al. Sorry to keep
[1:17:42] you up there so long. It's it's a
pleasure to be with you tonight. We had
[1:17:46] the privilege of holding a town hall
meeting last Monday. We had a very good
[1:17:51] attendance. We had considerably more
people there then than we do here
[1:17:56] tonight. Uh lots of good questions, a
lot of interest.
[1:18:00] Water issues have certainly become high
visibility in the state of Texas. Corpus
[1:18:06] Christi, many other cities are having
water issues. As we build out more in
[1:18:10] this area, such as a Toyota plant, you
know, computer facilities, etc., and
[1:18:16] just simply people moving into the area,
there's going to be a lot of pressure on
[1:18:20] the water and there aren't going to be
any more tunnel water rights. So, when
[1:18:26] we say we're leasing water, it's a rent.
We pay rent for one year. When we
[1:18:31] purchase water rights, it is a
contracted amount and we actually have a
[1:18:36] deed to it just like you're buying a
piece of property. So we had a very good
[1:18:40] presentation, good discussion at the uh
water advisory committee, received
[1:18:46] extremely positive feedback from the uh
from the citizens and I I was shocked at
[1:18:51] the end we actually received applause.
So I I believe Alderman Miller and
[1:18:55] Alderman Lions were both there and if
you have questions and you'd like a more
[1:19:00] unbiased opinion, I'm sure either of
them could help. Um, so a lot of the
[1:19:05] feedback I've received both in the town
hall and also from citizens that live
[1:19:10] around me is people appreciate the fact
that Shavano Park allows the citizens of
[1:19:16] Chevo Park to make their own informed
decisions as to what they want to do
[1:19:20] about watering. Do they water? When do
they water? How much do they water?
[1:19:26] Obviously, we have a progressive uh
charge for it. So the more you use, the
[1:19:31] more expensive it gets per thousand. And
that's why the water advisory committee
[1:19:36] felt like putting a little bit of
additional burden on the higher ones was
[1:19:40] a fair way to do that. So I'd be happy
to entertain any questions that anybody
[1:19:44] might have.
>> Okay. Well, uh, I'm gonna ask the first
[1:19:47] question before I go down the line,
[clears throat]
[1:19:50] and that is, um, you know, the the the
numbers of 15, 25, 35, and 45
[1:19:57] compared to what Bill showed us on his
water bill just seemed remarkably
[1:20:02] reasonable. Uh, as you went through
those tiers, did you happen to consider
[1:20:07] the economic impact of going 20, 30, 40,
and 50? We [clears throat] we looked at
[1:20:14] innumerable options. Um
>> there was a lot of debate about it. This
[1:20:19] was the one that we felt was probably
the best balance because the more you
[1:20:24] put into that, the more uncertainty
there is as to whether you're going to
[1:20:27] receive that total revenue at the end of
the year. And if we have a dry season,
[1:20:32] our income drops significantly. I'm
sorry, a wet season, our income drops
[1:20:36] significantly. So water advisory
committee looked at lots of options.
[1:20:40] This was our best judgment. Okay. So, so
Bill, uh, you know, there's about a
[1:20:45] $13,000 delta if you if you had the same
the same 28% of the users using those
[1:20:53] same numbers that if you raise the fee
by $5, you know, this is getting us a
[1:20:59] long way there. It's not a perfect
solution. It just kind of gets us close
[1:21:04] to where we hope to be. And
how much h how much heavy lifting do you
[1:21:12] need or do you feel like we need to help
provide in this case case to get you
[1:21:18] toward that 112 to or 312 to $365,000
does raising these just slightly u you
[1:21:28] know less than a cup of Starbucks a
month to go from all the way up to $50
[1:21:36] at that highest tier instead of 45. Is
that something that we should be
[1:21:41] considering or do you feel comfortable
that at these numbers that y'all are
[1:21:46] recommending for the tiered basis that
we're going to be able to service that
[1:21:51] debt? Because the last thing we want to
do is is have citizens that are aren't
[1:21:56] on the water system saying, "Well,
golly, the debt just seems to keep going
[1:22:00] on and nobody pays it."
>> Can I offer part of the answer to that?
[1:22:04] Yeah, go ahead Al.
>> Um, you know, we looked at various
[1:22:08] options. Um, we felt that this was the
best balance we could strike. Some of
[1:22:14] the numbers are imprecise. We do not
know exactly what we're going to be
[1:22:18] paying per acre foot to purchase the
water. So, to try to be precise in this
[1:22:23] does not appear to be the best approach
at this point in time. We feel this will
[1:22:29] get us in the ballpark. We felt like it
was a fair balance and that was why we
[1:22:33] chose the numbers. It clearly is
council's option to do it any way you
[1:22:38] choose, but this was what we presented
to the town hall and what we received
[1:22:42] good feedback on.
>> Okay. And and great feedback. I I'll
[1:22:45] just tell you the truth, but when I saw
these numbers, Bill, and they got
[1:22:49] presented until you explained them more
clearly right now, I thought that at the
[1:22:54] uh tier six number, we were paying $120.
I thought it was accumulative and it was
[1:22:59] like, well, you know, you're you're
using over 100,000 gallons of water. I
[1:23:04] guess that 120 as your impact fee plus
the 30 doesn't necessarily offend me,
[1:23:10] but
I just want to raise that because it it
[1:23:16] comes to how much heavy lifting are we
having to do on the backside in order to
[1:23:21] make the budget work when it comes time
to pay to service $365,000
[1:23:27] a year out of the water system back to
the general fund.
[1:23:31] Yeah, I think uh chairman is is right.
It's uncertain. This gets us in the
[1:23:36] ballpark.
>> Okay.
[1:23:38] » And you know, again, we know if you add
if you if you increase the uh the fees
[1:23:44] significantly for three, four, five, or
you even add some for two, you're going
[1:23:48] to reduce the uh you're going to reduce
the usage. And then what you're going to
[1:23:52] do is you're going to find yourself
short on the operations and maintenance.
[1:23:57] And then you'll probably have to go back
and raise a fee. So, you gota, you know,
[1:24:01] This is probably an initial starting
point in balance and then you might go
[1:24:05] adjust later but you need to be more
informed.
[1:24:08] » Okay. Um, Alderman Miller has requested
that I entertain a motion to approve
[1:24:12] ordinance 02026001
establishing a water supply fee for the
[1:24:17] water water customers of Shavano Park
system for the purpose of funding the
[1:24:21] purchase of the Edwards ARER
uh acre feed for use in the water system
[1:24:28] with
>> and I would like to I would like to add
[1:24:30] a little bit to that. So the water so in
addition to that uh the water supply fee
[1:24:36] would be incorporated
uh the water advisory committee
[1:24:40] recommendation of option two which is a
hybrid model that would include a $30
[1:24:45] flat fee plus a tiered approach a three
four five six user approach and that the
[1:24:52] $30 flat fee shall be discontinued at
the time that the purchase loan is paid
[1:24:58] off.
>> What about the balance of the fees?
[1:25:01] What about the balance of the fees for
the tiers three through six?
[1:25:05] » Yeah. So it would it would be the
recommendation that the water uh
[1:25:09] advisory committee has made for three
three four five and six.
[1:25:13] » All of them fall off after the loan is
paid off.
[1:25:19] » All of them sunset.
>> That wasn't what I heard, but I just
[1:25:22] want to clarify. All of them sunset.
>> Uh so I would look for either way you
[1:25:29] choose to do it. I don't think it makes
a a whole lot of difference between the
[1:25:32] two. It's easy to sunset the whole
thing.
[1:25:35] » Okay. Is that your [clears throat]
motion?
[1:25:37] » So, sun sunset.
>> Okay. Do I have a second?
[1:25:40] » Second.
>> Okay. We're now open for discussion. We
[1:25:43] have a motion from Pete and a second
from Lee to approve ordinance 02026001
[1:25:49] establishing a water supply fee for
water customers in the Shavano Park
[1:25:53] water system for the purposes of funding
the purchase of Edwards Arford Authority
[1:25:57] acre feed for the use of the water
system using hybrid option two with a
[1:26:02] sunset of all fees at the retirement of
the debt.
[1:26:07] » Okay. Okay. We're now open for
discussions.
[1:26:11] Christian,
>> uh, thank you very much for the great
[1:26:14] presentation and and I wanted to say
what a good job that uh, that you all
[1:26:19] did for the town hall. you did a
phenomenal job in presenting the
[1:26:23] information in a consumable way for the
citizens who came um to hear uh the
[1:26:30] proposal as well as to ask questions and
and I think that there was both positive
[1:26:35] replies to to the presentation and also
concerned citizens who asked some very
[1:26:40] good and tough questions because they
were concerns and you handled them
[1:26:43] brilliantly and I and at the end of it
those folks who had concerns you really
[1:26:47] assuaged them. So, um, kudos to you on
that. Um, I thank you very much, uh,
[1:26:53] Alderan Miller for bringing up that
additions because I think that was
[1:26:57] feedback that we also heard at the town
hall about creating a sunset to make
[1:27:00] sure that there's a finite amount of
time that those fees will apply. So,
[1:27:04] thank you for adding that addition and I
really want to commend your efforts and
[1:27:08] say thank you.
>> Okay. Um, Pete.
[1:27:12] » Yeah. So just a comment, one of the
things that I I really appreciate too is
[1:27:16] the vision and the forward looking. As I
look around San Antonio, this is a fast
[1:27:21] growing area and as you look at the fast
growing area, you know, the the water
[1:27:25] that people need is going to continue to
increase. So now actually, you know, we
[1:27:30] would have done this sooner, that would
have been great, but but now is the time
[1:27:33] to to secure these.
>> Okay. Thank you, Pete. Any further
[1:27:37] discussion?
There are no further discussion. Um, all
[1:27:41] in favor say I.
>> I.
[1:27:43] » I.
>> I I.
[1:27:44] » All uh all oppose. Same sign. The motion
carries. 50. Uh want to recognize
[1:27:49] Alderman
Buddy Alamman has now made it from jury
[1:27:53] duty. Thank you for joining us racing
across to the north side in order to
[1:27:58] join us.
>> Park cops behind me. [laughter]
[1:28:03] » I I hope not. I hope not. Okay. Brings
us to item 8.2. Uh buddy, we've now
[1:28:09] completed items 8.4 which was uh pulled
from the agenda 8.5 6 7 8 9 10 and 8.1.
[1:28:19] So we are now back to item 8.2.
>> Thank you.
[1:28:23] » Okay. Uh item 8.2 Two discussion action
ordinance 02026002
[1:28:30] amending chapter 36 zoning to allow
automotive quick leave service facility
[1:28:35] CC as a special use permit in B1, B2,
and office districts. This is a second
[1:28:41] reading. Um I'm going to recognize uh
Dave, Bill, and Curtis for purposes of
[1:28:47] this.
[clears throat]
[1:28:50] » Thank you, mayor, and thank you,
councel. Uh I have a presentation that
[1:28:53] was largely presented last month. I'm
happy to go through it if you want
[1:28:57] because there's towards the end of the
meeting if you want I can just hit the
[1:28:59] highlights of stuff you asked for us to
return back but I'm happy to run through
[1:29:02] it. Mayor,
>> uh I think that for purposes of our
[1:29:05] citizenry it help if you did kind of a
part of it lead us through it and then
[1:29:11] we certainly want to hear back the u the
feedback items that we had extended.
[1:29:17] Um
>> and and Paul uh you may have comments as
[1:29:20] well during this section as well because
we do want to consider the noise outdoor
[1:29:25] seating spacing and uh any additional
exceptions that may be want to be
[1:29:30] considered.
>> Okay. Well, on June 22nd, uh this was
[1:29:35] taken front of city council. A public
hearing was held and thereafter it was
[1:29:39] the ordinance. Uh this is kind of a
package of two agenda items. I'm going
[1:29:42] to cover both 8.2 2 and 8.3. They really
kind of move together. They're either
[1:29:47] disapproved or approved together. That
that make sense logically. But this
[1:29:50] ordinance 003 first reading was
approved. City staff asked the vice
[1:29:54] chair David Zay of the planning zoning
to come and attend. The chairman was
[1:29:57] unable to make it. Uh Kyle Horland
today. Um council wanted assurances from
[1:30:02] the developer Latty Bitterblue that the
future development of the town homes and
[1:30:06] pit would not be negatively affected. We
you'll see in this presentation that
[1:30:09] came back with that. and the council
wanted assurances that the oil
[1:30:12] collection methods would meet all the
environmental standards and you'll see
[1:30:14] that we have some information on that.
So the lot that we're talking about
[1:30:17] again uh is lot 2314 in the Pondill East
commercial and that is right behind the
[1:30:24] Starbucks uh on the loop 164 uh frontage
road.
[1:30:30] The history of this lot is in back 2002
the land uh and all the Pondill East
[1:30:34] commercial was zoned from A1 to B1
residential or B1 commercial Starbucks
[1:30:38] and Mallisters developed in early 2000s
in 2018 Bill Miller purchased lot next
[1:30:43] to 2314 that's the vacant lot you can
see the dirt or this waterburger this is
[1:30:48] the Bill Miller lot
uh water uh Bill Miller's purchased lot
[1:30:53] next to it does have no development
since 2018 2019 Waterburger developed
[1:30:57] the lot next to the Bill Miller
And then in 2021,
[1:31:03] the Denton Bitterblue, the Rogers Chap
Park unit 189 sold the lot that we're
[1:31:08] talking about tonight, the Generations
Community Federal Credit Union, which is
[1:31:11] the current property owner. And the
credit unions, as a general note, do not
[1:31:15] provide any retailer sales tax to the
city. Um no development actions were
[1:31:19] taken on this lot by generations until
in 2026 a couple months ago RFM
[1:31:23] commercial Mark Bower here uh
representing um approach city staff
[1:31:27] proposal to subdivide the lot and
develop in the two retail business that
[1:31:30] will generate sales tax.
So RF's proposal is for two tenants. Um
[1:31:37] it would include aa quick service
restaurant with dining and drive
[1:31:41] services as well as professionally
operated automotive oil change facility.
[1:31:47] So the two actions and the agenda is to
allow auto those automotive oil change
[1:31:53] facilities which are not allowed use in
the B1 zoning districts today. This
[1:31:56] ordinance would add it and add it as a
CC use so that if another business
[1:32:02] another developer wanted to build
another one of these they have to come
[1:32:04] in front of planning zoning and city
council just like I'm standing here
[1:32:07] today just like Mark Bower and they have
to present it to council for approval.
[1:32:13] But this would be a professionally
operated low impact vehicle maintenance
[1:32:16] facility focused on routine oil changes
and related light automotive services.
[1:32:20] There would be no uh storage of vehicles
on the lot overnight. Um and in fact we
[1:32:24] ban that in our ordinances uh that I'll
get to. So this was in your packet. Uh
[1:32:30] we have a email from Latty Denton from
Bitterblue. Um I'm not going to read all
[1:32:34] this but uh he's just we he was very
he's briefed on the slides. He's seen
[1:32:38] the um site development plan. He knows
RFM and the the folks over there. We did
[1:32:45] site review site plans designed and use
and overall context for the area and
[1:32:48] intended uses in the PID which is a 22
acres land next to it. It's going to
[1:32:52] have town homes developed and at a
really high end. We do not believe the
[1:32:55] 1604 uses will cause us a marketing or
perceptional issue. So we are fine with
[1:33:00] the 1604 projects that presented and we
have a follow discussion with the
[1:33:04] developers during site signage design
questions. We'll continue to work within
[1:33:06] plan approval. and then he has some
thanks for us all including him and
[1:33:11] asking for his opinion.
[1:33:16] So this proposed uh splitting of the lot
we're talking about 1.2 acres being
[1:33:23] split of 7 and a 0.53.
The QSR
[1:33:28] is a term for quick service restaurant.
So that be the Chipotle on the side
[1:33:32] right behind the Starbucks
and then next to it would be the oil
[1:33:37] change quick lube facility with all its
lanes and customers coming in. Again,
[1:33:41] not people parking and leaving their
cars overnight storage. Uh there's not a
[1:33:46] lot of parking. There was a question on
the parking I remember and the citizens
[1:33:51] to be heard. There's not a lot of
parking that's necessary for a quick
[1:33:54] loop because all the customers come and
go rapidly.
[1:34:00] So, Chipotles, I think everybody knows
what they look like. I just went through
[1:34:04] and grabbed some photos of developer um
of what this development could look
[1:34:07] like. This is a recent development
Chipotle. It probably be something
[1:34:10] similar. We um we can't tell them what
building materials they use in there,
[1:34:15] but uh Denton Bitterblue does through
deed restrictions and so they
[1:34:21] coordinated that with them. Um, but
that's good that they have that still
[1:34:23] that authority, but it's going to be
similar to the Starbucks and the
[1:34:26] Macauers with trying to feature the
limestone and and those rugged colors.
[1:34:31] Here's a take five um that's been
recently built here that the developer
[1:34:35] had a picture of. Um that's what this
could look like potentially
[1:34:40] park some valines
um that are in the higherend areas and
[1:34:45] what that could look like here in Shamal
Park.
[1:34:54] So there again there' be no out store
with this proposal from RFM. There'd be
[1:34:57] no outdoor storage of used oil, oil
filters, parts, tires, disabled
[1:35:01] vehicles. There's no waste materials,
custom vehicles or stage only in
[1:35:04] designated parking service areas
facility operate within uh appropriate
[1:35:08] environmental controls. They have to get
TCQ permits. all all these businesses
[1:35:12] wherever they build in Texas are going
to get a TCU permit for the uh even just
[1:35:16] temporarily holding the oil that they
drain from the vehicles before they want
[1:35:20] to this is um a commodity that they want
to sell in the aftermarket the used oil
[1:35:25] market that they don't waste it but even
the temporary holding of it and in your
[1:35:30] packet there is a letter that the RFM
was kind to provide from half
[1:35:34] engineering the engineer for their
project and in there talked about how
[1:35:38] the doublewalled underground containment
tanks that would have to be for this
[1:35:42] within the concrete subf foundation of
the building. Um, but that is a part of
[1:35:47] their uh TCQ requirements. They have to
have WPAP as well for this development.
[1:35:56] Um, and so there's a lots of controls
besides the city's regulations. If you
[1:35:59] don't see a regulations on these
businesses about how they store their
[1:36:02] oil, it's because this is strong in the
state regulations and it's not our
[1:36:05] authority necessarily.
and the financial impact the these
[1:36:10] highlights here this is all numbers been
updated they didn't give themselves a
[1:36:14] full credit they ran their calculations
only 1.25% 25% sales tax cut uh
[1:36:19] collection or actually 1.5. So anyways,
the bottom line though is the
[1:36:23] development could provide $71,400 in
sales tax revenue, $15,000 in ador tax
[1:36:29] revenue annually to the city. They base
that based upon Chipotle's uh sales, $4
[1:36:34] million annually. Um I won't again run
through all these numbers, uh but this
[1:36:38] is in the the packet for you. It's a
small update with the 1.5 which of
[1:36:44] course is split between the general fund
street maintenance and crime patrol but
[1:36:47] it all helps.
So getting exactly to the agenda item
[1:36:51] 8.2 what is before on you on this agenda
item. This is simply adding the CC
[1:36:56] special use permits as an allowed use
within the B1 zoning category. You can
[1:37:00] see the little track changes there in
red. Automotive quick loop service
[1:37:04] facility CC. Many of those uses if you
look through the table, antique store,
[1:37:09] art gallery, museum, bar, tavern,
they're not defined actually. Um,
[1:37:17] that's a job for Bill and I. We have to
sometimes with these developments is to
[1:37:21] fit into the definition within our code
when we're talking to a business. Could
[1:37:24] they are they allowed to come into shop
in a park? But here we don't want to
[1:37:28] leave that to two guests. We want to
actually define what these businesses
[1:37:30] are. Automo quickl service facility
means a specialized service center
[1:37:34] designed for rapid routine preventative
vehicle maintenance such as oil change,
[1:37:37] filter replacements and tire inflation.
Routine preventative vehicle maintenance
[1:37:40] extending longer than 24 hours is
prohibited. In addition, no overnight
[1:37:44] storage of of customer vehicles is
allowed at these facilities.
[1:37:48] So that is the 8.2.
If you don't mind, I'll go into 8.3 real
[1:37:53] quick. I think it will help inform you
before we make a decision. 8.2, to
[1:37:57] there's been some changes in 8.3 the
next agenda item which is where the
[1:38:01] actual um application
from RFM to do this development we've
[1:38:08] added uh we worked with our attorneys
and we strengthened the controls over it
[1:38:13] so last month I showed you this slide
and how we were saying the ordinance
[1:38:16] shall only grant the right to to
construct one automotive quick loop
[1:38:19] service facility ruling out that if they
subdivide it they try to get cute and
[1:38:23] build two of these they can't do that
that and we said that no Automotive auto
[1:38:27] additional automotive service may be
added, expanded, or substitute beyond
[1:38:29] the scope of the routine preventable
vehicle maintenance without a new CC
[1:38:33] special use permit by city council.
Again, ruling out that this business
[1:38:37] that would build couldn't through
project creep start adding more services
[1:38:41] and you start seeing vehicles being
stored over over a long time and and it
[1:38:45] becomes an isore. Uh they would have to
come back to city council to approval to
[1:38:49] do any of that.
We have here in section one, we added
[1:38:53] the site plan as an exhibit within the
ordinance. And then we said the granting
[1:38:58] of the special use permit, this is all
in the highlighted yellow for an
[1:39:01] automotive quickloop service facilities
requires a restaurant use within the
[1:39:04] development as depicted in exhibit A.
Any change to the proposed land uses as
[1:39:09] depicted in exhibit A require city
council approval.
[1:39:13] Again, we thought this would strengthen
the concern that we heard from some on
[1:39:16] council and someone even at P&Z is that
there was a worry that okay, city
[1:39:20] council would approve this and the
developer wouldn't actually deliver the
[1:39:23] restaurant use, which is I think what
most people are more interested in
[1:39:26] getting is a bigger sales tax generator.
So, we're trying this control um would
[1:39:32] mean that if again if they're not going
to build the restaurant, they have to
[1:39:35] come back to city council. So,
>> thank you Curtis. Uh before I recognize
[1:39:41] Dave to describe the U P&Z process, I
just want to clarify this is a
[1:39:47] [clears throat] change to the B1, not to
B2. Although B B2 it's available, this
[1:39:52] would be a use available in B1 and B2
but not in the O districts.
[1:39:59] » Yes.
>> Yes. I'm just confirming that because u
[1:40:02] correct. Unfortunately, when I reviewed
the um
[1:40:08] uh we talked about it the last meeting,
but when I reviewed the agenda, I did
[1:40:13] not strike office district. And I want
to clarify that it doesn't apply to the
[1:40:17] office districts.
Well, anything you can do in B1, you can
[1:40:22] always do in B2 because it's downzoning,
but it applies to B2. B1 and then B2 is
[1:40:29] a lower category, so you can do it in B1
and B2. Uh Dave, if you'd come forward
[1:40:34] so that you can tell us a little bit
about the planning and zoning process,
[1:40:37] how the vote went, your discussions, a
little bit of that kind of stuff.
[1:40:42] » Thank you. Um I'm the vice chair uh of
the PNZ and I I'll say that the of the
[1:40:48] year and a half I've been on the
commission, um we had a really a hearty
[1:40:53] discussion. Uh this is probably one of
two that we've had and the other being
[1:40:56] the uh uh the the trail. So, our focus
was basically if we're going to change
[1:41:02] the rules, is it within our uh city
strat plan, it does it meet those
[1:41:08] guidance? Um I'll tell you that the
initial discussion we had the first
[1:41:14] reading um we were not really in favor
of the concept because this is a huge
[1:41:20] step. You know, we haven't allowed uh
auto stores or whatever in in our city
[1:41:25] for a reason. And so we kind of had the
discussion about why we did that and and
[1:41:30] history about um projection. When we
looked at our open uh plots of land for
[1:41:35] development in the city, we were like,
"Okay, what what else do we have to do?"
[1:41:40] uh the developer uh made a very good
presentation about this actual plot that
[1:41:47] with Chipotle being the the anchor if
you will um the quick lube is a smaller
[1:41:53] portion and to have another uh we
focused on okay what else could we put
[1:41:58] in there you know another restaurant
it's not really big enough for another
[1:42:01] restaurant so it's either um it's in a
has sat vacant for you know the five
[1:42:07] years or whatever since the uh credit
union bought
[1:42:10] U we were thinking of okay for the
planning of the city what would be best
[1:42:14] for our citizens and yeah we said that
you know an oil loop place we could go
[1:42:19] down to Military Drive and uh Hebner is
maybe a close one but along 16004
[1:42:25] there's really nothing um uh available
to our citizens. So we kind of focused
[1:42:30] on what else could we do with this as a
you know if we another developer came
[1:42:36] and presented something. Um but we also
um had a hearty discussion about the oil
[1:42:42] drainage and how it affected the town
homes and the adjacent property that uh
[1:42:47] uh lays down below it if you will. Um
but I think our focus was really on um
[1:42:53] uh knowing that Chipoti was the the
focus and the lot is very small to
[1:42:59] develop.
>> Okay. What and it was reported that the
[1:43:04] vote was a 90 vote. There was a non
vote. Um and uh one um I believe she
[1:43:12] changed her vote, but um it is uh there
was some concerns just about the oil um
[1:43:18] and the proximity to the town homes, but
uh the I I think we we focused on the
[1:43:25] development and what would be best for
the residents.
[1:43:29] » Okay. Uh Bill, anything else that you'd
like to add?
[1:43:33] » No. And reminder that Mark's behind me
here and he's the one that's got the
[1:43:38] mastermind or the plan if you want to
ask him specific questions. I think
[1:43:41] there was a question about whether there
was going to be outdoor dining. I don't
[1:43:45] think there is but he would be the one
that would ask.
[1:43:48] » Yeah. Well, I that would be a part of
the south plan which is a second which
[1:43:53] is 8.3. So, so at at this time, um, I'll
entertain a motion to approve ordinance
[1:43:59] 02026002
amending chapter 36 zoning to allow
[1:44:04] automotive quickl service facility CC as
a special use permit in B1 and B2,
[1:44:12] not office.
[1:44:16] Yeah, B1 and B2 business. Do we have a
motion?
[1:44:19] » So, mayor, I'd like to revise that
motion. So,
[1:44:23] » well, no. I'm I'm entertaining a motion.
You're making whatever motion you want.
[1:44:26] » Okay. So, here's here's the motion. So,
the motion to approve ordinance 02026-2
[1:44:34] amending chapter 36 zoning to allow
automotive quick lube service facilities
[1:44:40] as a special use permit in B1B2 business
and office district.
[1:44:44] » Not office district.
>> Okay, I'll tear that. So, strike that
[1:44:48] under the following conditions.
Approval of any special use permit of
[1:44:53] the automotive quick lube service
facility shall be contingent upon the
[1:44:57] development fully satisfying all
commitments presented to city council
[1:45:02] regarding the establishment of the
Chipoti restaurant. So in short uh once
[1:45:07] a Chipoti restaurant is operational the
special permit would be approved for the
[1:45:12] uh for the other the other condition
would be that the automotive quickloop
[1:45:16] service facility shall be oriented next
to the Starbucks company building in the
[1:45:22] most westerly part of the lot to
minimize visual impact to neighboring
[1:45:27] community.
>> Okay. Uh I I understand that fully as
[1:45:31] far as ordinance 2026003.
Uh 002 is just two lines, two sections
[1:45:39] revising chapter 36.
So I'll hold that motion in advance. But
[1:45:46] first, we have to approve chapter 36's
amendment before we I think we want to
[1:45:52] consider the amendment of chapter 36
before we consider the amendment to
[1:45:57] chapter to the actual agreement. Okay.
Um so, so do I have a motion to approve
[1:46:04] the amendment of chapter 36 zoning for
B1 and B2?
[1:46:13] » I'd like to make that motion. Okay, we
have a motion from Conrad to approve
[1:46:20] uh ordinance 0 2026002
amending
[1:46:24] uh chapter 36 zoning to allow ODM
automotive quick fleet service facility
[1:46:29] CC as a special use permit in B1 and B2
district. Uh this is a second reading.
[1:46:35] Do I have a second?
>> Second it.
[1:46:37] » We have a second from Buddy. We're now
open for discussion on the amendment
[1:46:42] solely of chapter 36.
Okay, Pete.
[1:46:47] » So, uh, when I moved to Shavano Park,
uh, we moved here about seven years ago
[1:46:51] and we purchased a lot and built a home.
And what attracted me to Shavano Park is
[1:46:56] it's very very different and you you
know the difference when when you're
[1:47:00] here. And uh so it's funny when you go
down Northwest Military, I know when I'm
[1:47:06] in San Antonio and I know uh when when
I'm not in uh in Shavano Park, it's just
[1:47:14] it's a very different feel. It's a very
different feel. And so my my concern is
[1:47:19] that this starts to erode that feeling.
And this is the reason why I wanted to
[1:47:23] be part of Shavano Park. Uh so uh I my
my view is is this this doesn't add to
[1:47:31] uh to what we're trying to achieve the
vision of Shavano Park. I mean that's I
[1:47:36] I I know one of the things is when you
look at the town plan there's competing
[1:47:40] priorities in there. I I get that we're
yeah we're looking for revenue. We're
[1:47:44] looking for that. But to me the higher
priority is the vision the the feel that
[1:47:48] we're looking for the city. And to me
this this doesn't give that feel. and uh
[1:47:52] and and I you know uh it's it's uh it's
not what what the the vision that that I
[1:48:00] hope to to see for Shavano Park.
>> Great. Thank you, Pete. Uh others
[1:48:06] Christian,
>> uh thank you very much uh again for the
[1:48:10] the reading. Uh just as we gave a little
bit of a presentation again um for the
[1:48:15] first reading, I'm going to offer some
of my comments. They're probably similar
[1:48:18] to after the first reading as well. Um,
in putting a quick loop facility, I
[1:48:23] think we have to ask for Chevo Park,
similar to what Alderman Miller had
[1:48:27] said, is this the vision we had for for
Chevano Park? And two, is this a service
[1:48:31] that's really desired and demanded by by
Chevno Park citizens? And is one6 of the
[1:48:37] revenue I'm using the updated numbers of
60,000 verse 11,500
[1:48:43] about 16, is that worth an exception to
the ordinance? And would another option
[1:48:48] such as another restaurant to offer
diversity or another business option
[1:48:51] within the current ordinance rules offer
better revenue and better meet the wants
[1:48:57] and needs of our citizens? And um doing
a little research uh on via the urban
[1:49:03] land institute, quick loop facilities
are better for owners developers because
[1:49:07] they offer better profit margins due to
simpler operations and lower labor
[1:49:11] costs. but it doesn't realize a greater
tax revenue for the city as we've
[1:49:16] already uh demonstrated. Um and and this
location is nice because it offers um
[1:49:22] easy access for for folks to get in and
out of a a quick loop facility. I get
[1:49:27] that. Um and if this can be argued as a
needed daily necessity, the Urban Land
[1:49:34] Institute argues that it might be good
to have such a facility. But but how
[1:49:38] many of these quick move facilities do
we need? and are there other very close
[1:49:42] close quick loop options um between
where that lot is 2.7 miles away just on
[1:49:50] the other side of of heapner is another
valing so that's within seven seven
[1:49:56] minutes and the national league of
cities tell us that an urban planning
[1:49:59] concept of necessities and services
being within 15 minutes of where you
[1:50:03] live is a desirable um plan for the city
so we already have one within seven
[1:50:10] minutes same brand that we're talking
about potentially putting in. You know,
[1:50:14] perhaps we already meet the need needs
of our citizens. And and I introduced
[1:50:18] this last time doing a quick look on
maps. There's seven take five facilities
[1:50:23] just outside of Chevno Park city limits.
There's five valve lanes just outside of
[1:50:28] Shaveno Park city limits. And I used
281,6004,
[1:50:33] 410, and I 10 as kind of my limits of
the area that I looked. But in all of
[1:50:38] San Antonio, there's between 200 and
240, this is via Google, dedicated oil
[1:50:43] change and quick loop facilities. When
you look at broader automotive
[1:50:47] maintenance, the broader automotive
maintenance footprints, it's well over a
[1:50:52] thousand businesses.
Uh, by contrast, via Google, there's 21
[1:50:57] Chipotles. So, a thousand place I could
get my oil change versus 21 places where
[1:51:02] I could get my Chipotle. So, you know,
uh, in the citizens to be heard
[1:51:06] comments, we heard early this evening.
We we heard concerns about precedent
[1:51:10] being set where where I get it. We can
any other place that perhaps wants to
[1:51:15] put on an oil loop facility or other
still has to come before city council.
[1:51:18] But it it's hard for us to say no, we're
going to allow it for them, but not
[1:51:23] somewhere else when we have a very very
small amount of developable developable
[1:51:29] land within Shavano Park. And so that
finite amount of land I think needs to
[1:51:35] be considered when we're talking about
our city plan and the vision that we
[1:51:38] have for Shao Park and and and I
appreciate the other comments about the
[1:51:42] potential for noise parking concerns or
other I do want to commend the commend
[1:51:47] the developer and for plans zoning
consider things like um pollution and
[1:51:53] making sure that we're keeping up with
um uh ecological considerations. And I
[1:51:58] think that that you did a good job of
switching my concerns on that in the
[1:52:01] last meeting, but I but that concern is
still out there that I think we need to
[1:52:05] be very cognizant about of our citizens
and I will say that restaurants are
[1:52:11] better hubs for social interaction and
they employ more people and they are
[1:52:15] better source of revenue and I think
also that our citizens they like
[1:52:18] diversity of choices and another
restaurant provides that for us. um and
[1:52:23] we don't need to grant an ordinance
exception to another restaurant. Now,
[1:52:28] I'm very um understanding of the fact
that the amount of space that's there
[1:52:33] doesn't offer perhaps for another
restaurant, but but is there another
[1:52:37] option that meets our city's vision will
provide us the revenue that we need and
[1:52:43] is worth holding out for? Um and and
allows us to still protect the city
[1:52:48] ordinance as it's currently written. Um,
I I think these are all things that we
[1:52:53] need to consider as we um go to vote on
this. Um, and and I and I'm concerned
[1:52:59] too that maybe a lot of our citizens in
Chevano Park didn't realize that this is
[1:53:03] a consideration for how we're going to
develop this land. Um, we had a great
[1:53:08] town hall for the the um changes to to
the water through the water advisory
[1:53:14] committee and the increased fees that
we're going to make. But you can make an
[1:53:17] argument that well that applies a lot
more to Shavano Park citizens than this
[1:53:22] plot of land on the north side of
Shavano Park. U but but I'm concerned
[1:53:27] that a lot of our citizens didn't know
about it perhaps. Um because maybe they
[1:53:31] would have had a lot more to say and
give us more feedback. in in a quick ask
[1:53:36] around the neighborhood that I that I've
done. Hey, have you heard about this and
[1:53:39] you know kind just what do you think? Um
I I've had a lot of people who were
[1:53:44] concerned with uh putting oil change
facility with the Chipotle and and the
[1:53:49] fact they didn't think it matched the
Chevart vision and they didn't think it
[1:53:52] made made sense and they had
environmental concerns and other
[1:53:56] although there was also some people who
said on my south side of classified it's
[1:54:01] way away from me it's up there 604 it
doesn't matter to me so so there was
[1:54:05] some diversity in opinion but for the
most part people were concerned about
[1:54:08] this motion I applied I applaud plan
zoning for bringing this forward because
[1:54:13] I think it's worthwhile for us to
consider. There's multiple things that
[1:54:16] we as a council need to consider such as
revenue for the city such as developing
[1:54:20] the land that we have, but I don't think
the current proposal has set up to grant
[1:54:26] this exception meets that vision for for
our city of Chevno Park. So, thank you
[1:54:32] for entertaining my comments.
>> Okay, buddy.
[1:54:35] » Thank you, mayor. Um, I apologize I
wasn't available to hear the citizens
[1:54:39] and what they had to say about this
project. But I will say this as being
[1:54:43] part of planning and zoning along with
Bob, we spent a lot of time in plan and
[1:54:48] zoning and automotive has always been a
hot spot. Always. Everybody has always
[1:54:53] raised questions whether automotive
facilities of any type would be okay to
[1:54:59] build in Shamano Park. Whereas um
as
[1:55:06] being on city council, we don't want to
impede on the ownership rights of the
[1:55:11] people who have bought this property
years ago, but at the same time, we want
[1:55:16] to make sure that they do have a vision
and they do keep up with the need of
[1:55:20] Shelvin Park residents. And I think the
community will decide as a whole if they
[1:55:24] don't like what they're doing, they'll
stop going there. And so we as a city
[1:55:28] council, I think the economic risk is on
the ownership on whether or not they
[1:55:33] comply with the wants and needs of our
city. If they don't, people aren't going
[1:55:37] to go, but yet they have the right to
build on their property. I think
[1:55:42] planning and zoning has done a great job
of bringing things forward and putting
[1:55:48] restrictions in the spirit which we
wrote the ordinances several years ago.
[1:55:54] and they they've been written several
times over and over again. We have
[1:55:58] refined them. We have put them in line
with a town plan. And I think that we we
[1:56:03] ought we owe it to the citizens or the
um people who own the property and give
[1:56:08] them a chance to do what they want as
long as they're within the spirit of the
[1:56:13] ordinances that were written the way we
put them together. And I like I said, I
[1:56:18] commend planning and zoning of what
they've done. I think they have brought
[1:56:22] that true spirit out and that we off we
need to off the uh the ownership a
[1:56:28] chance to put implement the concept they
want and they're abiding by the TCQ
[1:56:34] uh parameters to where you know we're
not u putting a risk on the town homes
[1:56:41] or the city or the Edward. So I commend
them.
[1:56:45] » Okay.
Lee.
[1:56:48] » Thank you Mr. Mayor. I'd like to offer
up a couple of random thoughts in no
[1:56:52] particular order.
At the intersection of IH10 and UTSA
[1:56:57] Boulevard on the norththeast corner is a
Hyundai dealership. Cross over to the
[1:57:02] other side of 10 and go south. Five car
dealerships. Total of six within
[1:57:08] eyesight of each other. I I don't think
the argument that we've got too many of
[1:57:13] something. Well, guess what? We've got a
Starbucks up here and somebody let them
[1:57:18] build another coffee shop right across
the street. You can literally throw a
[1:57:22] rock and hit each one of them from the
other side. So I don't think like kind
[1:57:28] businesses being close to each other is
a viable argument. DCQ is a much
[1:57:33] stricter regulatory agency than we can
ever be. If they say it's going to be
[1:57:38] safe, it's going to be safe. Oh my
goodness. We've got a big gas station up
[1:57:43] here that services what, 1100 cars a
day. I wonder what's in the ground
[1:57:46] underneath those pumps and who who
regulates that. So, I think the argument
[1:57:51] against that is isn't does it holds
water? Uh,
[1:57:57] we've been told from the get-go that
this piece of land owned by a credit
[1:58:00] union is so incredibly expensive, nobody
even ms the grass. It's a jungle over
[1:58:05] there and nobody wants it. Well, why
don't they want it? Well, it's too
[1:58:10] expensive. Somebody comes in here, a
gift horse, and tells, you know, if you
[1:58:15] work with me, we'll split it up. We'll
put you in a nice little Chipotle
[1:58:18] restaurant. I like Chipotle. It's not
tier one, but it's okay. Gu some sort of
[1:58:24] an oil change flank next door to it. My
wife owns a security company. We have a
[1:58:27] small fleet. Guess who takes the cars in
to get the oil change when they need it?
[1:58:32] And it's quick. It's easy. And the
people there are friendly, working hard.
[1:58:36] We make money off the oil and filters,
not off the labor. And they do a pretty
[1:58:41] good clip down there where we're taking
it's, by the way, it's a five-minute l
[1:58:44] place.
I think that if you want to keep Shao
[1:58:49] Park like it was,
I will tell you a story about 1976. A
[1:58:55] fresh new county police officer, me, was
dispatched over to what is now the fire
[1:59:01] department with city hall because of an
impending riot. because city council was
[1:59:07] meeting in what is now the kitchen and
they needed police protection because
[1:59:11] there was a hot ticket item. The hot
ticket item was a retired one-star
[1:59:14] general from World War I
who was complaining about the fact,
[1:59:19] believe it or not, somebody put a red
light at Deavala at Military Highway.
[1:59:24] It's no longer a three-way stop. Fry
God.
[1:59:28] No riot ensued, but they put the stop
they put the red light up anyway. So,
[1:59:34] we're going to have to roll with the
punches. Um, I note that when COVID hit,
[1:59:40] Bill Miller quit the development of that
pad next to to Waterburger.
[1:59:45] Maybe the old adage, if you build one
gas station in the middle of nowhere,
[1:59:49] you're going to do some business. You
build a competing gas station on the
[1:59:51] opposite corner, they're both going to
get rich. I would like to see another
[1:59:55] restaurant.
The fact that we have to take on a um
[1:59:58] oil change place doesn't strike me
because I'm a guy and I built cars to go
[2:00:03] through high school and college and the
smell of oil doesn't offend me. So, I
[2:00:08] think that we've got a gift horse and
I'd like to see us climb on the back and
[2:00:13] ride. Thank you.
>> Thank you, Lynn. Conrad,
[2:00:18] » um I think when I first heard about
this, it didn't didn't appeal, you know,
[2:00:23] an oil change place. I think that's
because
[2:00:27] you think about a mechanic shop and you
think about maybe tires in the side. You
[2:00:32] think about um oil everywhere. You have
this this vision of a mechanic shop, but
[2:00:39] that's not what this is. This is a oil
change place. Like we change our oil
[2:00:44] down here at Valvaline. You jump in
there and you're done in 15 minutes.
[2:00:48] Really quick, not that noisy. There's no
music playing. That's one of the things
[2:00:52] you think about a mechanic shop, right?
Like back in the day, you hear this loud
[2:00:56] music and ratchets going all that and
that's not there. So that that goes
[2:01:01] away. Um but it's still you you think
it's an oil place. This is like y'all
[2:01:07] say this is what we need, right? Well,
there's too many of them. And then you
[2:01:12] think about like great presentation.
There's lots of them. Well, there's
[2:01:17] there's a reason why because customers
are wanting them highly convenient, much
[2:01:22] like a gas station and to Lee's
what Lee was saying is about this very
[2:01:28] busy gas station, right? Right across
military. So, I I start to lose that
[2:01:35] sort of negative
um vision of what this is. It's just
[2:01:40] it's just an oil change place. has three
or four I guess garage doors on the
[2:01:46] front and they're in and out and they're
closed at night and there's some
[2:01:49] shrubbery around there and it's going to
I'm sure be nice. Um so then you think
[2:01:55] well what um what else is there? We some
citizens are against it and I completely
[2:02:02] understand that as I stated from the
start. But then we go to the developer
[2:02:05] and the developer says, you know, I
don't think that this is not going to
[2:02:09] harm my business and he's putting in
town homes that are very valuable. He
[2:02:14] has skin in that game that is just
across the street basically. And he
[2:02:19] says, "This isn't going to this isn't
going to hurt my what I'm doing here,
[2:02:23] this project." And it's millions of
dollars. Um,
[2:02:29] it's private property somewhat of what
Buddy was talking about. This isn't city
[2:02:34] property. This isn't our property, the
cities. It's somebody else's that has
[2:02:40] not utilized it for what they said they
would for years now. And this land is
[2:02:46] sat there sort of call it dormant for a
very long period of time. And now we
[2:02:52] have a developer that says, you know
what, I can fit financially in there
[2:02:56] with a Chipotle and then something
that's a little less desirable.
[2:03:01] And I think if it was just a Chipotle,
there would be no discussion. This would
[2:03:04] be 100% no problem.
So
[2:03:11] it looks like to me that this is not as
bad as it looked from the start. And I
[2:03:17] and again my first notion was like I
don't know if that's going to work.
[2:03:21] There's also a discussion going around
that I think none of us have talked
[2:03:25] about yet that oh we're acting too
quick. Um I don't see that as a case. We
[2:03:30] I think we've been waiting for solution
to come along and I think the solution
[2:03:36] is before us. And so
I don't uh the the sales tax numbers and
[2:03:43] all that. I I just put that in the back
of my I didn't wasn't even looking at
[2:03:48] that. So then if I start to look at that
and I say as a group up here and for me
[2:03:53] while technically we don't really
necessarily have a fiduciary duty to
[2:03:56] this city there is there it is right
there at it and so we do have that
[2:04:02] responsibility up here um to look at the
numbers and say is this additive to to
[2:04:09] us financially as well and it meets that
I don't think anybody's going to
[2:04:13] disagree that it would meet that it's
just what what is it and then I go back.
[2:04:18] Go back to the three bays and the doors
that are shut at night and the
[2:04:25] u plants and whatever else that it's
going to look nice for what it is for a
[2:04:30] box. It's a box with cars that drive in
and then drive out.
[2:04:35] And for me, that's that sums it up. And
I I don't think we're giving up I don't
[2:04:41] think we're giving up a lot here. I
think we're getting value. I think we're
[2:04:44] getting service. And I'll go back to
there's a lot of them because customers
[2:04:50] are demanding that and that's that's got
to be why that's there. So I go back to
[2:04:54] Lee a little bit and what what this is.
So I I that's my sum total of what I how
[2:05:00] I see this um and how and how it works
for us in our community. It's a private
[2:05:06] property and do we let the developer do
this land that's been sitting there for
[2:05:12] a very long period of time and it has a
good useful
[2:05:17] part here. Okay. Uh any other comments?
Okay. Uh if there are no further
[2:05:25] comments, discussion, uh we have a
motion to approve ordinance 0 2026002
[2:05:32] amending chapter 36 zoning to allow
automatic quick loop service facility CC
[2:05:38] as a special use permit in B1 B2
business. This is a second reading. All
[2:05:45] in favor say I.
>> I.
[2:05:49] » And all oppose.
>> Nay. The motion carries 32.
[2:05:56] Item 8.3
discussion action ordinance 0.206003
[2:06:01] 2026003
granting an automatic quick lube service
[2:06:06] facility CC special use permit in a B1
commercially zoned lot designated lot
[2:06:13] 1314 of block 44 in county block 4782E
of the Pillill East commercial
[2:06:21] subdivision. This is the second reading.
Um
[2:06:27] Bill Curtis, do you have anything that
you'd like to add?
[2:06:44] Um, as for the actual ordinance, um, I
don't have anything to particularly add.
[2:06:47] Uh, I covered it. The amendment we added
working with our attorney to strengthen
[2:06:51] the the controls on this land after city
council approves this. The developer is
[2:06:55] not going to try to pull a fast one on
you. they have to come back and um and I
[2:06:59] just covered that. I'm happy to cover
that again, but I have nothing further
[2:07:03] to add to the actual ordinance.
>> Okay. Uh Pete, uh I kind of cut you
[2:07:08] short uh to get through 8.2 and I'm
going to come back to you for 8.3
[2:07:13] because I recognized you and let you
make your motion.
[2:07:17] » All right. So the motion I'll reread it
is motion to approve ordinance 02026-23
[2:07:25] » 03 sorry 03 03
>> amending chapter 36 zoning
[2:07:31] » no no
>> no
[2:07:33] » granting you you need to go with what's
written and then add what you want to
[2:07:37] add at the end.
>> Where's the where's where's it?
[2:07:41] Hang on. Okay. Motion to approve
ordinance O 2026-
[2:07:47] 02
>> 03
[2:07:49] » 03 What is this on the
>> You're on the wrong line.
[2:07:53] Go down to 8.3.
>> Got it. Got it. Okay.
[2:07:55] » All right. So, this is the ordinance
granting quick lube special uh use
[2:08:00] permit.
>> Yes.
[2:08:02] » All right. Motion to approve ordinance
02026-3
[2:08:07] granting the automotive quick lube uh
service facility special use of permit
[2:08:11] B1 commercial zoning lot designated lot
202314
[2:08:17] of block 44 in the county block 4782E
in the a Pondill East commercial
[2:08:25] subdivision
[clears throat]
[2:08:28] under the following conditions. Approval
of any special use permit for automotive
[2:08:34] quickl service facility shall be
contingent upon the development the
[2:08:38] developer fully satisfying all
commitments presented to city council
[2:08:42] regarding the establishment of a Chipoti
restaurant. In short, once the Chipoti
[2:08:47] restaurant is operational, the special
use permit will be approved.
[2:08:52] And the second uh condition is the
automotive quickloop service facility
[2:08:56] shall be oriented next to the Starbucks
coffee uh company building in the
[2:09:02] westerly part of the lot to minimize
visual impact to neighboring
[2:09:06] communities.
>> Okay. So the ordinance is provided um
[2:09:15] and the condition for the city council
use permit is to uh is only granted on
[2:09:23] the completion of the Chipotle
and that the quick loop would be placed
[2:09:29] uh on the most westward portion of the
lot next to the Starbucks. Okay. Want to
[2:09:36] make sure that I understood that. Okay.
So, we have a motion from Pete. Do we
[2:09:40] have a second?
>> A second.
[2:09:42] » We have a second from Christian.
We have a motion and a second, which
[2:09:47] means we're now open for discussion on
the on the ordinance as proposed. Lee.
[2:09:53] » Yes, sir. It's a parliamentary question
that I'll direct to you, sir. Um that is
[2:10:00] that effectively doubles the number of
words in what we read as first reading
[2:10:06] and it puts in some strong caveats that
in my mind undermines the intent,
[2:10:13] purpose and spirit of the original
reading from the first.
[2:10:17] » Doesn't matter.
>> It you're sure it doesn't matter. That's
[2:10:19] why I go to you.
We uh
[2:10:24] think about uh budget ordinances or
budget uh actions in Congress. The
[2:10:30] budget action has all kinds of things
and then all of a sudden you look at it
[2:10:34] months later after it comes out of the
House and Senate and doesn't look at all
[2:10:38] like what you thought it was going to
look like. All they have to have is a
[2:10:41] basket to carry the ordinance in. And
the first reading was a basket that said
[2:10:46] we're talking about quick loops. We if
we were now talking about daycare
[2:10:51] centers
then that would be exactly the right
[2:10:55] thing but we're not we are still talking
exclusively about quick loops or quick
[2:11:01] loop facilities.
>> Just try trying to stay out of the
[2:11:03] minefield for
>> Yeah. No. No. It's a great question.
[2:11:05] Great question.
>> Mr. Mayor, can I have a point of
[2:11:07] clarification?
>> Yes.
[2:11:09] » And this is directed towards the bill
and Curtis on the reading on uh Pete's
[2:11:15] motion. Is it is it in accordance with
what you sent us as far as what the
[2:11:20] attorney drafted up and what bitter
bitter blues approved?
[2:11:24] » Yeah. So, um, and you'll probably want
to talk to Mark about it as well, too.
[2:11:29] What we did is we tried to meet the same
intent that you did in your motion. Um,
[2:11:36] but what I think uh your motion does is
may have you may have intended it, but I
[2:11:40] think it may have unintended
consequences. So, let me just read back.
[2:11:43] Maybe Curtis, you can go to the to to to
the uh the exact language. What we added
[2:11:49] in there with the attorney's advice, and
it was coordinated with Mark, was that
[2:11:54] the permit would only be approved as
depicted in exhibit A. Exhibit A is very
[2:12:00] specific right here, right there. And u
and requires a restaurant use. We
[2:12:08] purposely didn't say Chipotle because
he's he's got a letter of intent. He's
[2:12:13] working on a lease. You can explain all
that, but you know, if it was a
[2:12:20] um um
a chicken place or something like that.
[2:12:25] I don't know that we would care whether
it's a Chipotle or whether it's um
[2:12:30] what's the what did you have for lunch?
Chick-fil-A. A Chick-fil-A. I don't
[2:12:35] think we care. We want a restaurant
there. So it says again requires a
[2:12:39] restaurant use within the development as
depicted by is exhibit A. Any change to
[2:12:43] the proposed land use is as depicted in
a exhibit A require city council
[2:12:49] approval. So the permit is the ordinance
is written uh to achieve the same thing.
[2:12:55] The the issue that you'll have to talk
to Mark about is and I talked to him
[2:12:59] about this is the development of these
things are concurrent.
[2:13:03] You're asking them essentially, hey, go
out there, secure Chipotle, get a
[2:13:08] permit, build it. Once it's built, then
work through this,
[2:13:14] you know, and and again, he's already
briefed you and me because I've had a
[2:13:18] number of conversations with him is that
he needs a package deal and timing is
[2:13:23] everything. And so, I'll just be quiet
because I want you to make sure that we
[2:13:27] think we've already got a restaurant
built into the ordinance that requires
[2:13:31] him to do that. We talked about the
timing of the permits because we do this
[2:13:35] all the time. Someone takes a a twocar
garage that's attached to their house
[2:13:39] and they want to build a um they want to
they want to close it in
[2:13:46] and we've had
>> that's my whole point. and I want to
[2:13:48] make sure we have a meeting of minds and
we can move forward without delineating
[2:13:52] things in and
>> right. So in the permitting process we
[2:13:56] say hey well you guys remember we you
required a two-car garage
[2:14:02] in Elm Springs we're dealing with one
right now. I was like well I didn't know
[2:14:06] that. Okay go back to the drawing board
get your thing we'll hold your permit
[2:14:10] we've got you this you submit your plans
we do this and then we we approve
[2:14:14] basically both of them at the same time
and that's that's how we did that. we
[2:14:17] have uh controls. We talked to Mark
about that because as he develops this
[2:14:21] thing,
>> it's concurrent. And so I'll shut up
[2:14:24] because I just want to make sure I think
we've got it covered.
[2:14:28] » But
>> and and and that that's a great
[2:14:30] explanation, Bill. And so the the
question is, okay, Pete, um what Bill is
[2:14:36] telling us, I think, is he's going to
bring us
[2:14:42] a building plan at the same time. And if
he doesn't prevent present both building
[2:14:48] plans at the same time, then he's not
going to get either one of the building
[2:14:53] plans.
>> So what you're asking for, mayor, is a
[2:14:57] is an amendment. So, if somebody wants
to make an amendment to mine.
[2:15:01] » Uh,
>> no, no. I'm I'm I'm just uh
[2:15:05] » u No, I I understand. Go ahead.
>> Is there an instrument that we could put
[2:15:10] in place that says the builder will do
this congruent with each other and both
[2:15:17] will be erected and in business at some
point in in a date that
[2:15:22] » Well, then now now you're now you
brought up a new thing that uh you have
[2:15:26] he has to submit the building plans
within a certain date. Bill has told you
[2:15:30] that based on what the attorney had
proposed that Bill is not going to issue
[2:15:36] a building permit that doesn't do these
things simultaneously.
[2:15:40] Pete is saying he'd like to have A and
then B. Bill is saying no. I think we
[2:15:46] can get there simultaneously.
Right now the motion is A and then B.
[2:15:53] We can either vote on it or somebody can
make an amendment to that motion
[2:15:58] and then you can start all over.
>> May make a comment. Um I think that um
[2:16:07] Pete's concern
um is making sure that we have and and
[2:16:13] the developer told us say it's a package
deal. That's how the numbers work,
[2:16:16] right? So just let's make sure that the
restaurant is in there then we'll move
[2:16:20] forward with the oil with the oil change
the quick loop facility right and the
[2:16:25] orientation is more perhaps presentable
the needs of the city I and so I think
[2:16:31] that aler is asking for compromise just
as you've asked us to compromise for a
[2:16:36] wave you being the developers has asked
us to compromise on ordinance 0 2026002
[2:16:43] got that right I think so We I I think
that Pete is just asking for a
[2:16:48] compromise for the orientation of how it
happens to make sure that the vision,
[2:16:56] the needs of the community, whatever is
still met accordingly.
[2:16:59] » Okay. So, so now now let's go back and
clarify one more thing.
[2:17:04] » What one more thing on that? Um once you
break ground, you've broken ground and
[2:17:10] it's really
you're you're not coming back. Okay. I'm
[2:17:15] sorry. I got away from my mic.
>> Once you break ground, you've broken
[2:17:19] ground.
>> Okay.
[2:17:20] » Are you saying completion or you saying
breaking ground on the restaurant?
[2:17:26] » I I that Yeah, I'm I'm asking you what
you wanted, Pete, because Yeah. Well, I
[2:17:32] want to I
>> It is completion. Okay. Okay. Conrad,
[2:17:38] » could we [snorts] ask a developer?
>> Yeah. Can I really like to speak? I'm
[2:17:42] kind of dying here.
>> You've been so patient.
[2:17:44] » Okay. I would not I don't have a problem
at all in saying that I have to get the
[2:17:48] building permit for the Chipoti before I
get the valvalane. I am further along
[2:17:53] with that. But to say it has to be open
for business just doesn't work. It just
[2:17:57] takes too long. Takes too long to build
the building then I have to put
[2:18:00] valvalene off and it just is it just
doesn't work for us. As far as flipping
[2:18:06] the sites, we've looked at this several
times and the grades for the way this
[2:18:10] building is situated. the grades just
don't work. I That's a long building and
[2:18:16] it just doesn't work on the other site.
And that's our problem. The other real
[2:18:22] problem is I have real estate committees
that literally are approving things. I
[2:18:27] mean, the levels of of approvals for
these companies, you just can't imagine
[2:18:31] how long it takes and how difficult it
is. If I start over with them right now
[2:18:35] and say, "Oh, you know, Chipulti, can
you please go on the other side?" I'm
[2:18:39] starting from ground zero. I know it
seems crazy, but you're starting from
[2:18:44] ground zero. I don't I I I don't know if
I can even go back to it. We're just way
[2:18:49] beyond that. But I would be willing to
say I will get the um the Chipoti. You
[2:18:57] don't have to approve the the Valvvelene
special use permit until I have the
[2:19:02] building permit or even like start
construction because once I get the
[2:19:05] permit, I'm going to start right away.
if that would give you more comfort. And
[2:19:11] I I do feel like these are really the
only two tenants I'm working with. It's
[2:19:15] really valvalene and chipoti are bust at
this point in time. I mean, we just have
[2:19:19] spent way too much time, money, effort,
and everything. So, this is this is the
[2:19:25] plan. And but but flipping it is a
problem. And um the fact that you would
[2:19:31] want it open, that's a big problem. So,
I'm just that's my two cents worth. And
[2:19:36] I'm just trying to understand
if here's the site plan. So you got
[2:19:42] Waterburgger here.
We're going to have a Bill Miller there
[2:19:46] whenever they decide to build it.
>> Okay. Can you just tell him what they
[2:19:49] told you when you told them about the
development?
[2:19:52] » Well, I went to Aggie Park and I think
I've told him once before, but I went to
[2:19:55] Aggie Park and the CEO of Bill Millers
is an Aggie and I'm like, "When are you
[2:19:59] going to build me my Bill Bill Millers?"
He's like, "Well, 16004 hit, COVID hit.
[2:20:05] We went to some redesigns, but because I
thought it was going to be this year,
[2:20:09] but he's like,"Well, not not this year,
but soon." And then I said, "Well, it's
[2:20:14] kind of funny. We got some town homes
going in there. We we we potentially may
[2:20:18] have a hotel. We're going to have some
other retail that's in there. We got the
[2:20:22] dentist office here. And we have a
Chipotle quick lube that we're work
[2:20:27] quick lube of some sort in there."
And I'm not exaggerating when he said
[2:20:32] quickloop. Oh, well then that's they
have a term for it where it's it's not
[2:20:37] hits, it's not visits, it's exposures.
And some term where you drive by and
[2:20:43] then you have an opportunity. Oh,
there's a you get in a quick lube. I'm
[2:20:48] going to go to the waterburger. I'm
going to go to Bill Miller. And so he
[2:20:50] was he he was optimistic that it might
actually drive up sales. And so, but I'm
[2:20:56] just looking at this and whether or not
that thing is here, which which is
[2:21:01] covered by a Bill Miller. There's going
to be office buildings here. There's a
[2:21:05] dentist office here. There's another
dentist office that's being developed
[2:21:08] right here. Um, you're not This is Pond
Hill. It goes up like this. And the town
[2:21:14] homes are over here. Whether it's on
this side or that side, I'm just saying
[2:21:20] I don't see the advantages. And I've
talked to to Mark about this and I've
[2:21:24] said, "Hey, several people have told me
that they would like to see it on this
[2:21:28] side and he's like, "It doesn't work
because of the engineering." But if I'm
[2:21:32] just being completely objective, not
arguing with anyone, is there really an
[2:21:37] advantage to being on the west or the
east side?
[2:21:41] And
there's a little feeder road. Yeah.
[2:21:46] Right here you can access into here.
how much traffic is really residential
[2:21:52] traffic is going to be coming from here
to there that's really going to care
[2:21:55] whether there's I just don't see it. I'm
just not trying to argue just pointing
[2:22:00] that out. Okay, Conraan,
>> correct me if I'm wrong, but I think
[2:22:06] Pete's getting to the visual effect of
this place and and what what it looks
[2:22:11] like.
If you I spent some time over there and
[2:22:15] trying to walk walk it and look and it
I'm guessing that because it would be
[2:22:22] behind Starbucks and it to your what
you're talking about the grade and it
[2:22:28] would be less visible. Um is is that
yeah so that's the idea. So maybe we go
[2:22:36] with that idea and just understand that
maybe there's really nice landscaping
[2:22:40] like I was talking about earlier or
something like that the commitment on on
[2:22:43] your part um to make that happen.
>> Okay.
[2:22:48] » Yes. Definitely open to that.
>> Yeah. Okay. Um I think we've talked
[2:22:53] around the issue on pizza motion. Uh you
have two choices.
[2:22:59] Um, you can approve Pete's motion, you
can amend Pete's motion. Three options.
[2:23:05] You can or you can vote down Pete's
motion and start over.
[2:23:12] So, we have a motion and a second. Is
anybody offering anything different?
[2:23:18] Because Pete said, "Well, if you want to
amend it, amend it."
[2:23:26] Conrad
>> or Buddy.
[2:23:30] » Go ahead, buddy.
>> I mean, I'll give Pete the option. If if
[2:23:32] you don't want to take the option, I'll
amend it.
[2:23:34] » Okay. Well, then we'll consider the
amendment.
[2:23:37] » Your paper down. [laughter]
[2:23:47] » No.
>> Yeah, I will. I'll use your notes.
[2:23:51] Motion to approve ordinance 0 20263.
um
[2:23:58] chapter 36 uh automotive quickl facility
as special use permit uh B1B2/B2
[2:24:06] business uh districts under the
following conditions and the restaurant
[2:24:11] prerequisite uh approval of any special
use permit for an automotive quick loop
[2:24:17] service facility shall be contingent
upon the developer fully satisfying all
[2:24:21] commitments presented to the city
council regarding the establishment of
[2:24:25] of a restaurant. Period. And fast loop
orientation. The auto automotive quick
[2:24:32] loop service facility shall be oriented
next to the Starbucks coffee.
[2:24:38] Scratch that and just leave it at that
with their full commitment.
[2:24:46] » Okay.
>> Okay. Mr. Mayor,
[2:24:50] » can I get a clarification on that? that
>> I'll give you a clarification, but first
[2:24:54] I want to listen to
>> the language.
[2:24:57] » That's the wrong
>> ordinance,
[2:24:59] » sir.
>> Yes.
[2:25:01] » My name's Powers. How are you, sir?
>> Thank you for being here. Um, I
[2:25:05] understand topography and the
requirements of building places where
[2:25:08] they can take advantage of topography,
access to sewage and water, etc., etc.
[2:25:14] Done some building myself.
I want to make sure that we get a clean
[2:25:18] read on this. And before I vote on it, I
want you to tell me if it's a deal kill
[2:25:25] spit. Deal killer, as I heard you say a
little while ago in nicer terms before
[2:25:30] uh I vote on it. So if Mr. Mayor, if you
could read the ordinance that we're
[2:25:36] going to be voting on, a clean version
so he can listen to it, make sure that
[2:25:40] we're on the same.
>> We got to make sure we get 03, not 02.
[2:25:43] » 03 002 again.
>> We got a sec. We need a second.
[2:25:58] » [laughter]
[2:26:09] » Okay, buddy. What I think you've said
[laughter]
[2:26:15] is motion motion to approve ordinance
0202603
[2:26:22] to allow
[2:26:25] an automatic quickloop service facility
CC under chapter 36 as a special use
[2:26:32] permit in B1 B2 business
under the following conditions.
[2:26:43] Well,
under the following conditions, approval
[2:26:46] of the special use permit for an
automatic quick loop service facility
[2:26:51] shall be contingent upon the developer
fully satisfying all commitments
[2:26:55] presented to the city council regarding
the establishment of a restaurant.
[2:27:01] » Yes.
>> So, I'm looking for something that
[2:27:03] includes county block 4782E.
[2:27:09] Okay.
[2:27:13] No, no. I'm just taking what was handed
to me there. Okay.
[2:27:31] Okay. So, now I'll read what I think
Bill is suggesting in addition to the
[2:27:36] other
[2:27:41] Motion to approve ordinance 02026003
granting an automatic quick loop
[2:27:46] facility CC special use permit to a B1
commercially zoned lot designated lot
[2:27:52] 2314
of block 44 of County block 4782E
[2:27:58] in the Pondill East commercial
subdivision
[2:28:02] uh under the following conditions.
Approval of any special use permit for
[2:28:07] an automatic quicklude facility shall be
contingent upon the developer fully
[2:28:12] satisfying all commitments presented to
the city council regarding the
[2:28:16] establishment of a restaurant.
>> So moved.
[2:28:20] » No, I'm asking you. I'm I'm just telling
you what I think you said.
[2:28:29] » Yes, I'm I'm comfortable with that.
>> Yes. Well, we didn't we didn't exactly
[2:28:34] get a presentation from the developer,
right? Like a the commitment we talked
[2:28:40] about is
>> No, Bill has the Bill has the drawing.
[2:28:45] We have the drawing that we have
>> the drawing and that. So, we're going to
[2:28:48] base off that
>> that is the what we're basing this on.
[2:28:52] Bill, correct me if I'm wrong. Okay. I
have a motion to amend.
[2:28:59] Um,
and I'll ask Pete whether you consider
[2:29:03] this to be a replacement motion or a
motion to amend.
[2:29:08] » It's a replacement.
>> Okay. So, um, it just means it takes two
[2:29:13] votes. Okay. Do I have a second on the
uh on the uh replacement motion, which
[2:29:21] is a motion to amend? Do I have a
second? Okay. So, now I have Buddy and
[2:29:26] Lee.
[2:29:36] Okay.
On the second motion,
[2:29:42] um, do we have any further discussion on
the second motion?
[2:29:48] Okay. There being no discussion, all in
favor say I.
[2:29:51] » I.
>> I.
[2:29:53] » All oppose, same sign.
>> Nay.
[2:29:55] » Okay. That motion carries 41. Okay. Now
that motion has become the primary
[2:30:01] motion. We have to vote again on exactly
the same thing. Okay. Just
[2:30:08] Okay. So, as the primary motion, we have
a motion to approve ordinance 02026003
[2:30:17] granting an automatic quick lube service
facility CC special use permit to a B1
[2:30:23] commercial zoned lot designated lot 2314
of block 44 of County block 4782
[2:30:31] east of E of the Pondill
East commercial subdivision under the
[2:30:38] following conditions. Approval of the
special use permit for an automotive
[2:30:42] quickloop service facility shall be
contingent upon the developer fully
[2:30:46] satisfying all commitments presented to
the city council regarding the
[2:30:51] establishment of a restaurant.
Okay,
[2:30:56] that is our primary motion made by
Buddy, seconded by Lee. All in favor say
[2:31:02] I.
>> I.
[2:31:03] » I.
>> All oppose, same sign.
[2:31:06] » Nay.
>> Nay. The primary motion as amended
[2:31:11] passes 32.
>> Okay, Mark. Thank you.
[2:31:15] » Thank you very much.
>> Brings us to item number nine. Do we
[2:31:19] have a motion to adjurnn?
>> Thank you. Y
[2:31:21] » motion journ.
>> We have a motion from Pete, I mean from
[2:31:25] Conrad. We have a second from Lee.
>> All in favor say I.
[2:31:30] » I. I.
>> All oppose. Same sign.