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[0:11] All right. Good evening. The hour of
6:00 has arrived. I will call the 10th
[0:15] regular common council meeting to order.
Will the deputy clerk call the role?
[0:20] » Alder person Boris
>> here.
[0:22] » Alder person Ber
>> here.
[0:24] » Alder person Close
>> here.
[0:26] » Alder person Decker
>> here. Older person Gravine
[0:29] » here.
>> Alder person Heidman glad to be here.
[0:32] » Alder person Kelly
>> here.
[0:34] » Alder person Mensor
>> here.
[0:36] » Alder person Mitchell
>> here.
[0:39] » Alder person Pela
>> here.
[0:42] » There are 10 present.
>> Thank you. If everyone could stand for
[0:44] the pledge of allegiance.
[0:48] » I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the
[0:53] republic for which it stands. One nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and
[0:59] justice for all.
>> All right, Alder Boris, is there a
[1:05] motion to approve the minutes?
>> I move to approve the minutes from the
[1:08] 9th regular council meeting held on
August 3rd, 2026.
[1:12] » Second.
>> Moved and seconded. All those in favor
[1:15] of approval of the minutes state I.
>> I. Any.
[1:18] » Any opposed? Minutes are approved. Next
is resignations. City attorney.
[1:24] » Thank you. Tomomi Kanamaru from the
mayor's international committee
[1:29] effective August 23rd 2026.
>> Thank you Alder Bors.
[1:33] » I move to accept and file.
>> Second.
[1:35] » Moved and seconded. All those in favor
state I.
[1:38] » I.
>> I.
[1:39] » Any objections? Hearing none. That is
approved. Item six, city attorney.
[1:44] » Bob rank from the housing authority
board effective immediately.
[1:49] » Alder Bors.
>> I move to accept and file.
[1:51] » Second.
>> Moved and seconded. All those in favor
[1:54] state I.
>> I.
[1:55] » Any any objections? Hearing none. That's
approved. Next item seven, appointments.
[2:00] City attorney
>> Tracy Brunette to be considered for
[2:03] appointment to the board of housing
authority. Brianna Bourne to be
[2:06] considered for appointment to the
mayor's international committee. Jess
[2:10] Thy thyroan
to be considered for appointment to the
[2:14] mayor's international committee.
>> Thank you. Those will lay over till our
[2:17] next meeting. Next item eight is an
announcement. Uh, the Board of Water
[2:22] Commission will have an election to be
held on September 21st, 2026 for a
[2:28] three-year term for the Board of Water
Commissioners beginning on October 1st,
[2:33] 2026, as well as a 2-year term to
fulfill the unexpired term. uh as well.
[2:40] If interested in applying to be
considered for appointment to the board
[2:43] of water commissioners, please reach out
to the city council president uh older
[2:47] Boris and or uh the city clerk um as
well if you're interested by September
[2:53] 17th. Thank you. Uh next item nine, we
have a presentation from the sort
[2:59] preservation commission which will
postpone uh for a future meeting due to
[3:03] a family uh situation by the chair.
Next item 10 is a presentation uh on the
[3:10] harbor center marina design by our
friends at Edgewater Resources. So take
[3:15] it away.
>> Hello. Thank you very much. Um let's see
[3:19] here. Make sure this is [snorts]
showing up properly on the screen. Thank
[3:24] you very much. Uh mayor and council.
Appreciate having you and again
[3:28] appreciate the opportunity to work with
you in the community of Suben. Um this
[3:31] will be a a quick presentation. It
normally takes about an hour and a half
[3:34] and I've been asked to do it in 10 or 15
minutes. So, I'm going to go quickly.
[3:38] Um, by nature I'm going to have to cover
some things quickly. Ask me any
[3:41] questions you like, of course. So, uh,
this is a progress meeting. We're at
[3:45] what we call schematic design. So,
everything you're seeing tonight is a
[3:48] work in progress. Uh, it will continue
to evolve based on feedback that we
[3:51] received from you. We've also had public
feedback on this already and we're
[3:54] already making minor modifications as we
go. So, as we dive into this, sorry, get
[3:58] this to work.
Um, I'll skip through all of our team
[4:03] here, but this is a really important
thing. The goal of this project is to
[4:06] refine the waterfront master plan and
build a new marine on waterfront park
[4:09] for everyone in this community. That's a
really key factor that guides everything
[4:12] that we're doing. Um, there is a
tremendous amount of of issues with what
[4:17] you have out there right now with the
ice damage and those sorts of things.
[4:19] We're addressing a lot of functional
issues, uh, as well as as transforming
[4:23] the way the harbor the harbor works, uh,
for not just the voters, but for the
[4:27] entire community. As we jump into this,
we've had a number of public meetings,
[4:32] had a lot of community input meetings.
As you can imagine, we received um
[4:37] hundreds and hundreds of comments. I
wish that I could respond to every
[4:40] single one of them and have everything
everybody wants in one plan. That of
[4:42] course is not possible. What our job is
to try to coalate all those things and
[4:46] provide the best plan that we can that
meets as many of the goals as possible
[4:50] um with the minimum amount of
compromise. We do not want to end up
[4:53] with a camel. It's that joke, a camel's
a horse designed by committee. So, we're
[4:57] focused on trying to balance all these
competing uses as best we can. Uh,
[5:02] inherently, not everybody's going to
agree with all of it, but we're doing
[5:04] our best there. Some quick images that
really capture what the community
[5:08] responded most positively to. This is
31st Street Harbor in Chicago. Um, and
[5:12] what I want to point out here is that is
a waterfront park that has a marina in
[5:15] it, which is the goal of what we're
trying to achieve here. as opposed to
[5:18] the marina driving every decision. This
is a public waterfront park that drives
[5:22] the primary decisions with an excellent
marina that happens to be a part of it,
[5:24] happens to be an economic catalyst as
part of it. Everything that you see in
[5:28] that picture with the exception of the
floating docks and the dedicated boater
[5:31] restrooms is open to the public and
that's our primary goal here for this
[5:35] community as well. So, as we jump into
this um thinking about public access,
[5:40] again, I'm going quickly on purpose. Um
there is an hour and a half if you're
[5:44] interested. Uh there's an hour and a
half presentation online. I'm sure you
[5:47] can all watch that if you want the full
detail. Uh we met with a lot of groups,
[5:51] a lot of different neighborhood groups,
uh charter captains, yacht clubs, public
[5:55] works staff, first responders, as many
people as we could to get as much
[5:58] feedback as possible. Uh we've also done
a lot of engineering to address the
[6:01] functional issues that exist in the
marina. You know, that there's ice
[6:04] damage. I would point out that the docks
that you have there are not faulty in
[6:07] any way. They're just passed through
useful life. Just like when you buy a
[6:10] car, at some point it just breaks
because it's 20, 30 years old. Most dock
[6:15] systems are designed to last 25 to 30
years old. Yours are past that. But
[6:19] there are functional issues um that um
physical issues I should say that do
[6:24] matter a lot. You're going to see a
whole bunch of images as they go by here
[6:28] um that express what's happening with
the water circulation and the ice
[6:31] movement. Um if you have questions, I
can go into in more detail. But what we
[6:36] do need to do is address the way um when
we have easterly winds, it stacks up low
[6:41] currents in or stacks up water in the
outer harbor and that makes currents and
[6:45] things happened inside the harbor that
are causing damage. We actually had
[6:48] cameras up all winter monitoring the ice
damage and what was exact how the ice
[6:52] was moving and where it was damaging
things. We actually have a very good
[6:55] idea of video evidence that supports
what our modeling showed. And so what
[7:00] you're going to see here as I go by this
is you'll see more and more uh activity
[7:05] inside the basin as I zoom past these
and you'll notice you'll start to see
[7:09] some areas of red and concentration.
What that red tells us is that's a very
[7:13] dynamic environment. And the best way to
pro protect your docks is to not put
[7:16] them where that happens. And so one of
the things that we're going to be doing
[7:21] is interrupting the size of what we're
going to call the inner harbor by
[7:24] introducing a fixed attenuation
structure here. And that breaks up and
[7:28] reduces the amount of flow in here. We
have these two red areas here and here.
[7:32] When you see the master plan, you will
notice very specifically we didn't put
[7:35] docks there. Um so as we look at this,
that was a big driver. And I can go as
[7:41] far into that engineering detail as you
would like. Uh there is also a sand
[7:45] intrusion issue along that outer uh
federal breakwater that's owned and
[7:48] managed by the core. The core is going
to come in. They built a lot of
[7:52] structures in the 80s that allowed
intentionally so that allowed water to
[7:55] move through there. That was thought to
be a water quality enhancement. What
[7:58] they found pretty rapidly is it allows a
lot of sand to move in and it actually
[8:02] creates more problems than it solved.
They are now correcting this at multiple
[8:05] harbors, including another one we're
doing at Lexington Harbor in Michigan.
[8:08] They're going to be coming here to
correct this one uh in the coming years.
[8:11] Um, our recommendation to you as we talk
about phasing and constructing this is
[8:15] to stay away from that area to let them
fix that problem and when they're done,
[8:18] we can come in and occupy that space.
Fortunately, we have plenty of room to
[8:23] build all the marina that we need and
not occupy that spot.
[8:27] So, quick overview of the harbor design.
I'm going to start with the marina
[8:31] because that's kind of where we're at in
the presentation. Then we'll move into
[8:34] the upland park design. So, the marina
that you see in front of you here um is
[8:38] is uh the layout is quite different than
what you have today. Very intentionally.
[8:42] Again, we talked about that red area.
That's why we have this open body of
[8:45] water here and here. We've organized the
marina into two main sections. Um we'll
[8:50] call these we call these Christmas trees
just because it's a a single access with
[8:54] trees branching off to the side. This is
uh we'll talk about the slip counts.
[8:58] This is actually allows for uh
significantly more docking than you have
[9:01] now. I'm not recommending that you build
a much bigger marina than you have. I'm
[9:04] saying we've planned for growth in the
future if that becomes appropriate. When
[9:09] you get to the south end of the marina,
we have a new public pier. That's that
[9:13] fixed structure that I told you about.
That will be completely open to the
[9:16] public. This is what we call a shopper
dock or or a or a um it's a service dock
[9:22] for just about anybody to use. One of
the things that we want to do is be more
[9:25] welcoming to our trailer boers. When
they go out and they go their boating,
[9:29] they come back, they put the boat on the
trailer since there's nowhere for them
[9:31] to go right now. They put the boat on
the trailer and then they drive home.
[9:34] And we want them to be be more welcome
to the town and spend more time. So,
[9:38] this is meant to be a courtesy pier
where they can get off the boat, come
[9:40] and enjoy all the amenities and go back
out in boating and stay a little bit
[9:43] longer and just be more welcoming. Um,
it could also be a place for a cruise
[9:49] ship yacht tender for example. It could
be maybe at some point in the future uh
[9:52] the charter fisherman if they if the
river doesn't work for them for some
[9:56] reason. So, that's a different factor
there. We also have um one of the
[10:01] comments from the boating community is
they were very passionate about the
[10:03] pool. We're not building a pool. That's
not really that's not something that
[10:07] we're doing in public marines these
days. It's very challenging to operate.
[10:10] It's also not the most appropriate use.
When we did talk to the voters, one of
[10:14] the things that they said about the
pool, it wasn't the swimming so much as
[10:16] it was the private space that they had.
They had a dedicated room where they
[10:19] could have events that was kind of their
own. And so we've talked about that with
[10:22] them. We're actually proposing in four
locations out on the docks um where
[10:27] they're dedicated boater only gathering
spaces out on the docks past the gates
[10:30] where they want to be. And so we're
we're actually providing more spaces
[10:34] than they currently have for that
particular use. The pool use in
[10:37] particular is replaced with a splash
pad. So there is still water uses in in
[10:40] play and that sort of thing, but it's
all open to the public as opposed to a
[10:44] dedicated boater activity in that way.
Uh the only thing that's fully dedicated
[10:49] to the boers in this image are the
floating docks, which is understood
[10:53] because they're renting that and and
need security. And there will be
[10:56] dedicated boater restrooms that are
specific to the boers. That is because a
[11:00] boater at 11:00 at night who's got their
child and they're taking a shower. They
[11:03] need to be behind a locked door as you
can all imagine. Um there are also many,
[11:07] many public restrooms and we'll talk
about that. So that's the quick overview
[11:10] of the marina. We're relocating. The
existing boater services building is
[11:15] over here and the fuel pier is way down
here. That has created a lot of service
[11:19] um issues because it's a you know it's
10 15 minutes somebody calls for fuel
[11:23] and you have to send staff all the way
down there. We we're proposing to
[11:26] relocate the boater amenities building
and colllocate it with park features.
[11:29] I'll show you that building quite a bit
a little bit here. Uh the existing
[11:32] building um is quite damaged from uh rot
and mold and other issues. Um could it
[11:39] be repaired? Of course, anything can be
repaired from a cost effectiveness
[11:42] standpoint. Um, it would be equally or
more expensive to repair than to build
[11:47] these new structures that we're
proposing.
[11:50] As we move a little bit closer, here's a
quick uh 3D aerial just to give you a
[11:54] sense of it. We'll get to more on this
in detail here.
[11:58] Um, just went through all of those
things. We'll go in more detail here.
[12:01] This is some of the damage image from
the existing restroom, existing motor
[12:05] services building. Um, again, could it
be repaired? Of course, anything can be
[12:09] repaired. It's not the most
cost-effective solution. Uh what we're
[12:13] proposing to do as we dive in here on
the Boer Services building. I'm going to
[12:15] show you that building a little bit more
detail. One of the things that we're
[12:18] focused on is building a much more
sustainable building, a much better use
[12:22] in terms of things like um heat pump
furnacing. Um we're talking about uh
[12:26] green roof um covered roofs for um uh
water quality, for habitat creation, uh
[12:32] cooling the building. Uh a lot of
different issues there. Plus, we can get
[12:35] grant funding for that. As we look at
the building in the footprint, this is
[12:40] the lower level. This is the water side.
We have um the these are the dedicated
[12:45] marina restrooms here and laundry and
and lounge and fitness and that sort of
[12:48] thing. On this side on the north side of
the building in the northeast corner,
[12:51] this is very public space. So, these are
public restrooms for everybody. Welcome
[12:55] for everyone. You can come in here and
get ice cream and pop and soda, whatever
[12:57] else you want to do. Now, this is Green
Bay, so we'll be selling BRZ for sure. I
[13:02] think we should in Green Bay, Wisconsin.
Um, as we look at this space, we have a
[13:06] marina garage and a parks department
garage. This is coll-locating these uses
[13:10] um, specific intent of making that more
efficient. And as you look at the upper
[13:15] level, we actually have some additional
boater dedicated boater activities with
[13:19] the harbor master so they can view the
entire marina. And then also looking at
[13:23] the emergency services in the northeast
corner, that upper level building,
[13:26] that's a place where first responders
can monitor the entire park uh, Fourth
[13:31] of July on all the big events. they'll
be able to see everything and and do
[13:34] that. So, this is a shared use between
parks and marina staff.
[13:38] So, here's just some some quick
simulations as we're starting to do uh
[13:42] material studies and what things might
look like. So, again, green roofs, very
[13:46] sustainable design using natural
materials, wood, and so forth. Some
[13:50] quick AI renderings that are just
they're just studies. So, you look in
[13:53] too much detail, you'll see some goofy
things. Um, but just to give you a sense
[13:57] of the character that we're aiming for
when we start to think about this main
[14:01] pier. Again, this is a public pier. So,
this is meant to be a fixed structure
[14:04] that's going to help interrupt that
flow. We will, of course, make sure that
[14:08] we have water quality and we'll monitor
all that. We've actually already done
[14:11] the modeling. We don't have we we're
stopping the flow of ice moving through
[14:14] to cause damage, but we have plenty of
water circulation for water quality.
[14:18] This will be open to the public. Anyone
will be able to go out here and enjoy
[14:20] these views and so forth. In terms of
slips, you currently have 248. This plan
[14:26] shows 320, which is a 29% increase
total. Again, this is the capacity, what
[14:32] we actually choose to build in phase
one, and and phases will be determined
[14:35] later. One thing that's important, we
did the marina market analysis. Um, the
[14:41] slips slip demand is trending upwards.
When this marina was built, the primary
[14:45] boating size was 30 to 40 ft in length.
It's now 35 to 50 ft. This is where the
[14:50] most uh uh number of boats are. So you
actually have while there's only a 29%
[14:55] increase in the number of slips, we have
more larger slips. So it's actually 40%
[15:00] 46% more capacity available. I want to
point out nobody's going to lose their
[15:04] slip. All existing voters will have the
same slips that they have now in terms
[15:07] of size and capacity. So we're not
displacing anyone. And in terms of
[15:10] actually the construction, uh we should
be able to set this up so that the
[15:14] construction occurs during the off
season. The Boers might lose a few weeks
[15:17] at the very end. We might have to move
them to another part of the marina. and
[15:20] when they come back in the spring, they
should have a brand marina, brand new
[15:22] marina to come to. We simply can't lose
a boating season in the Great Lakes. We
[15:26] have 100 days. So, um, so just some
quick numbers there.
[15:31] Um, moving past that. So, we also have a
second set of, uh, public and bo
[15:37] restrooms over here. What you're seeing
here is it's primarily public restrooms.
[15:41] There are three um, marina dedicated um,
shower rooms on the backside here. So,
[15:47] there'd be a shower and a toilet in here
behind a lock. Everything else is
[15:50] public. So about uh 80% of that building
is public over there. Just some quick
[15:55] imagery of what the docks might look
like. We're looking at different
[15:57] materials and we'll be going through
that in greater detail as we move
[16:01] forward. Um and then as we start to talk
about the public spaces. Um we're just
[16:07] using some examples here of some
interesting spaces about how we might
[16:10] build cool um places for people to walk
and enjoy and sit and sit and enjoy the
[16:15] views. um and build interesting shapes
and play spaces with cool interesting
[16:19] lighting. Uh movable seating, thinking
about, you know, people like to sit in a
[16:24] lot of different ways. Some want to sit
in a bench, some want to sit in a chair,
[16:27] some want to sit in sort of these cool
seat walls and features like this. One
[16:30] of the things I want to point out is the
night lighting. Uh we want to be very
[16:34] careful and use dark sky lighting, which
is good for um it's actually very safe.
[16:38] Seems intuitive that you have it's it's
darker. Well, it's it's actually less
[16:42] contrast. And so when you have even
lighting like this, what you end up with
[16:46] is this beautiful lighting character
that you see on here. What you don't see
[16:49] a lot of are light sources. You see the
glowing pools of light. We light up the
[16:52] things you want to see. What you
actually find is in the night you can
[16:55] actually see color. When you've gone
from a bad lighting environment to a
[16:59] very good dark skylighting environment,
you it's amazing how much better you can
[17:02] see even though the overall volume of
light is actually a little bit less.
[17:05] It's also good for u not impacting
migratory bird and insect species. So
[17:09] it's a very good very good approach that
we're focusing on.
[17:13] So, just some more images. We talk about
a splash pad. The splash pad we are
[17:17] proposing will be a flat plaza that has
jets that come out of the ground. We're
[17:20] not talking about Crayola colored
structures up in the air with, you know,
[17:23] donkeys and buckets. This is meant to be
an elegant solution that is fun to play
[17:28] in. But if we need to turn it off and
use that space for something else, you
[17:31] turn that off and you have a usable,
functional plaza space. as much as
[17:34] possible. All of our upland spaces will
be multifunctional, be able to use for
[17:38] different uses at different times
depending on what the park needs to be.
[17:42] We focus less on building super
dedicated spaces and more flexible
[17:45] spaces.
So, talking about fire pits,
[17:49] accessibility of course is completely
integral to this. So, as we start to
[17:53] look at this part of the plan, um what I
want to talk about quickly is the upland
[17:57] circulation. So, we're showing um first
rate off is you'll notice that we've
[18:01] taken out about 30% of the parking. The
parking situation you have today is
[18:06] about 90% of the time you have way more
parking than you need. And that other
[18:10] 10% of the time you don't have anywhere
close to enough parking. And so the
[18:14] compromise in the past was well build as
much as you can. And what that meant is
[18:18] you lost a ton of park space that's
otherwise usable for the community. So
[18:22] the the proposal here is to say, hey,
let's make certain that on 90% of the
[18:26] days we've got all the parking we need,
that we've got excellent drop off, that
[18:29] it's functional for the voters, that on
a reg it's very functional and useful.
[18:33] I'm not saying parking is not important.
I'm just saying it's not the most
[18:36] important thing on your waterfront. And
so we're changing the way that that
[18:40] works and we're going to work with the
operations team about shuttling and so
[18:43] forth. We've also added raised table
crossings to address the drag racing
[18:48] that is clearly known to understand out
there. If you look at Google Earth, you
[18:52] can see the the burnout marks. We've
talked about an entry loop over here.
[18:55] We've had some good questions about that
entry drive, whether it's a conflict for
[18:58] this and whether that's the priority.
We're working through those issues.
[19:01] Again, this is a work in progress. So,
these all of these topics are up for
[19:05] conversation as we evolve. And then as
we get out to this end, we're calling
[19:08] this the point. We'll talk about this as
a multifunctional building. we'll get
[19:11] into in detail, but I'm going to focus
on this area right here, which we're
[19:15] basically turning from a parking lot
into this cool interesting space,
[19:20] which has a series of outdoor rooms that
will be um reservable when, you know, in
[19:24] terms of picnic shelters. Um there'll be
little, they're not going to be walled
[19:28] rooms, but they'll feel like there's a
dedicated space. And so, this is going
[19:31] to be set up for uh you have very large
events here. Um we've designed this
[19:34] around events that could be as small as
50 or 100 people up to in some cases
[19:38] thousands. So, uh, as we talk about the
building, we've got spaces for 50 and
[19:42] 100 and 200 and 400. Out in here, we
have a series of spaces that can be
[19:46] small gathering rooms that can be used
and to expand the function of everything
[19:49] else. So, voters could come in here,
just like they said, we want to have our
[19:52] space of our own. You can come in and
you reserve this just like anyone else.
[19:56] And they'll have covered shelters, maybe
a fire pit, some green spaces, and so
[20:00] forth. Interesting. Cool. Public walk.
Uh, instead of traditional benches,
[20:05] we're proposing swings. Something about
a swing. People are attracted to them
[20:09] like a magnet. It's the craziest thing.
So, we'll be looking at some of that.
[20:12] So, here's some quick what this might
look like during the daytime and then a
[20:17] quick view of what that looks like at
night. So, cool, fun, interesting spaces
[20:21] that create different uh usable um rooms
for people. So, then pushing back into
[20:28] um the main end of the building up here.
This is a large building. This is a This
[20:32] is actually an AI simulation, so don't
get too excited about when we see some
[20:36] goofy things. The surfers are going the
wrong way. Um, but again, it's just a
[20:39] quick study thinking about how this
space might start to work as we get into
[20:43] this building. This building is really
driven primarily by the upper level
[20:46] uses, which is the need for very large
um, uh, gathering spaces for 200 um, and
[20:52] up to 400. Um, and that led us to
looking at uh, the way this lower level
[20:58] works. So, one of the conversations from
the previous master plan was this was a
[21:01] restaurant. It was a specific use. And
our recommendation is that that puts
[21:06] entirely too much pressure on one
business to succeed. And if that
[21:10] business goes away, then you have this
empty hole in your waterfront. What
[21:13] we're proposing that you consider is to
think more like the Milwaukee public
[21:16] market where you have a series of
smaller businesses where maybe existing
[21:20] restaurants downtown can put a satellite
out there and that you have eight or 10
[21:24] small businesses. It might be a surf
shop. It might be a cheese shop. It
[21:27] might be different restaurants, tacos,
whatever. It's kind of a food hall
[21:30] approach. And that means if one of them
disappears, it's not the end of the
[21:34] world because it's it's if you go to the
public market and one shop's gone one
[21:37] day, it's not the end of the world. You
still have a really vibrant space. Of
[21:40] course, we have a lot of public
restrooms and a lot of other uses in
[21:43] here. We're also proposing at the
northeast corner. One of the things that
[21:46] we found when we were doing our public
meetings is it was a very cold December
[21:50] day and the surfers were having a great
time and uh they're stripping down and
[21:54] drying off in the parking lot. They
looked really, really cold. [laughter]
[21:58] So, we're proposing to create some
amenities for the surfers so that when
[22:01] it's offseason, they have a place to go
change, get warmed up, get a warm
[22:05] shower, and do those sorts of things.
Not that I have a problem with people
[22:07] changing in the in the parking lot. They
just look really cold. Looking at the
[22:11] upper level, we've got a series of of
spaces. So this does replace other types
[22:15] of uses. So we have 100 sp 100 100 guest
space here and then we have two um 200
[22:21] spaces 200 person spaces here that can
be broken down further. So you could
[22:25] have a series of 500 person events. You
could have a 500 person event. They all
[22:30] have roof deck access on the outside.
And this is a public roof deck that
[22:34] anybody who can who wants to come
downstairs and maybe get tacos or
[22:37] whatever they they want to eat here,
they can pop up and sit on the roof deck
[22:40] and look and so forth.
So, looking at the exterior of the space
[22:44] of this is, of course, uh we're working
with the first responders to make
[22:47] certain that they've got all the access
that they need for fire trucks and
[22:50] emergency vehicles to get in here.
Again, we've got the splash pad here.
[22:53] Cool, interesting seating so you can be
out on this point. We want to make a
[22:56] much better connection from this point
out to the pier. Right now, you kind of
[22:59] have that it's a little bit of a
afterthought sidewalk connection. We
[23:02] want to do that better. And then this is
a dedicated space uh that would be like
[23:06] an outdoor bar. You could be out there
and have music, have shows, all these
[23:10] sorts of spaces here. And then we're
also showing what we're calling the
[23:12] winter garden with an outdoor fire pit.
So you can sit there and watch the
[23:15] surfers and sit there by a fire and do
some cool things there. And then some
[23:18] outdoor plaza spaces here.
So that again is just some quick
[23:23] examples of where the architecture
inspiration is coming from. Some people
[23:26] think that when we talk about a green
roof that we're talking about grass. We
[23:29] are not talking about grass. We're
talking about very specifically selected
[23:32] sedums and other uses. Um this this type
of green roof is actually in a tray
[23:36] system. So if there's an issue, it's
like when you buy a flat of beonas at
[23:40] the plant, you can lift up the whole
tray and access if you need to do
[23:42] something with the roof. It's a very
well understood system. Works very well
[23:45] in environment. It's doesn't create bird
issues or those sorts of things. It
[23:49] actually extends the life of the roof
quite a bit because it protects that
[23:51] liner. So So with that, that is an hour
and a half presentation in about 15
[23:58] minutes.
>> I'm sure there are questions. So
[24:00] » thanks Greg. We appreciate any questions
from olders.
[24:05] Alder Kelly.
[24:09] » Hi. Thank you for your presentation.
I've seen uh quite a few of them and
[24:13] you're doing a really good job
consolidating it down. Um so one point I
[24:17] just want to make sure is clear. So if
we adopt this plan as presented, does
[24:22] that commit us to spend money on every
aspect of this plan?
[24:26] » Absolutely not. This is a master plan
that sets out a long-term vision and as
[24:30] you go through, I would imagine you'll
be approving each individual phase as it
[24:34] comes along. clear the marina is the
immediate priority and and so as we're
[24:38] working on that you'll be able to say
that marina makes sense and I'm certain
[24:40] as we get to that point there'll be an
actual bid and you'll say that's the
[24:42] right amount of we're comfortable with
>> one followup if that's okay
[24:47] » um so just a comment and you alluded to
it um item F and G um looks like it's a
[24:53] relocation of a shelter bathroom uh in
order to make u an access drive so I I
[25:00] understand where that's coming from um
and I I do think that we should
[25:04] prioritize the experience of people at
the park rather than people trying to
[25:08] leave the park. Um, so I I just feel
like we should maybe step away from this
[25:14] idea in terms of a more cost-effective
way to handle the traffic issue that
[25:19] seems like it would be just for sort of
the big events. Maybe we change the
[25:23] traffic in a different way rather than
tying in, you know, a specific access
[25:28] drive just for a couple days of the year
that might have um heavier traffic. But
[25:32] otherwise, um, great job. I really
enjoy, um, hearing about the, you know,
[25:37] flexibility built into the plan. I think
that's really important going forward.
[25:41] So, thank you for your presentation.
>> Alder Heidman.
[25:44] » Thank you, Mayor. Um, again, this is
I've seen his presentation a couple
[25:48] times and we've had conversations. Um,
so we're going to adopt a plan. We're
[25:53] going to say, "Yeah, we're really all in
favor of this. Uh, how are we going to
[25:57] pay for this? Is there a is there a
special tax? Is this all out of TIFF
[26:02] district? If you could give me an
understanding on how this is actually
[26:05] going to be paid for, I'd appreciate it.
>> City administrator.
[26:09] » Um, so in the TID 21 project plan, I
believe we have about I think it's $17
[26:14] million um dedicated to funding this
portion of the project. So, the marina
[26:21] redevelopment waterfront. Um so on top
of that we also plan on going for quite
[26:28] a number of grants that this project
will qualify for. We've had preliminary
[26:32] conversations with state agencies with
private foundations things like that. So
[26:38] um the total amount available still not
fully understood until we have so once
[26:43] we get to this point if we're moving
forward uh the next stage obviously
[26:47] would be kind of kind of like what we're
doing with the fire stations. we're at
[26:50] each stage of this. Um we're going to
bring it back and get get your input,
[26:55] your feedback, and then if you want us
to move forward to the next stage or
[26:58] not. So um this stage basically gets to
the point where we can start applying
[27:03] for grants and start getting that better
understanding um of what potentially
[27:09] we'd be eligible for. So we have a whole
matrix of various grants from different
[27:14] agencies uh whether they're state, local
or private um that various elements of
[27:20] this project will qualify for. So um you
know there's transportation grants that
[27:26] we can go after for the uh sidewalk and
infrastructure inside of the the area
[27:32] here that you know like the sidewalks
aren't going to qualify for but the
[27:35] multimmoal paths will. Um there's grants
for clean water funds uh related to the
[27:41] water and sewer that would go in here.
And then there's grants available for
[27:45] storm water runoff that we can address
um both public and private that will
[27:49] help address and um various issues or
various components within this plan. So
[27:55] we need to start putting all of that
together um to give you a really good
[27:59] idea of what funding might actually be
available. And we also need to nail down
[28:04] what the actual projected costs are.
>> So the next stage of this is getting
[28:09] more, you know, right now we just got
kind of AI renderings and we've got, you
[28:13] know, that schematic design where it's
just basically lines on paper. We need
[28:16] to start having the conversation of what
are the materials that are going to be
[28:20] used. What are the actual layouts of
these buildings? And once we start
[28:23] honing in on that, then we can get a
better idea of what exactly we would
[28:27] need to fund these projects and then is
it actually fundable.
[28:31] » Okay. Thank you. Uh just a followup,
mayor. Um when this all started, I'm I'm
[28:37] 100% behind having marina that is
functional and appropriate for the city
[28:44] of Shuagen and it's going to and the
boating community is going to be taken
[28:49] care of. That was the initial thing. Now
all of a sudden we morph off into all
[28:53] this other stuff. And I guess if if I
had an opportunity to get one and I we
[29:01] we talked about it earlier if and and if
you want to give me that number just the
[29:05] cost of of the marina alone is
approximate with that building with the
[29:10] other building because we have to
replace that other building. I
[29:13] understand that. Just ballpark it for
me.
[29:16] » I would say the marina itself is in the
$17 million range. That public pier is
[29:22] in about a three and a half million
dollar range. very preliminary and that
[29:25] building right there is in the 3 to 5
million range. We're working on that
[29:28] with contractors. So all of those things
together at this point I would say is in
[29:32] the 25ish range and we're we're working
on that. It's very preliminary but we're
[29:36] comfortable. We have a higher level of
confidence in the marina design because
[29:38] we know so much about that. the upland
design of the building takes more time
[29:42] » and and I appreciate it and I think that
it's important that the citizens realize
[29:47] what we're we're trying to adopt as a
plan and going forward with that we
[29:51] actually have an idea of what it might
cost for a change as opposed to later on
[29:55] peacemealing and saying now we're not
doing this now we're doing this now
[29:59] we're doing this so the initial concept
and what we just talked about I'm 100%
[30:04] for so thank you very much
>> thank you Alder heman uh Alder close.
[30:09] » Thank you. I I just wanted to comment
that uh looking at this design, the
[30:14] original design of the marina was so
much more focused on Boers and amenities
[30:18] for Boers that this really changed the
focus of the marina uh from a strictly
[30:23] boater oriented type of destination to a
true destination for the people of
[30:27] Shboan and also gives an opportunity for
a lot of the local small businesses to
[30:31] really shine and showcase what Shboan is
all about. Uh, unfortunately, a lot of
[30:35] the people who come to the marina might
just spend time in the marina and then
[30:38] head back out in the water. Now, they
actually get a chance to see what the
[30:42] small businesses are all about and have
the opportunity to uh share in some of
[30:45] the amenities that we enjoy here at
home. So, thank you.
[30:49] » Thank you. Thank you, Alder Close. Alder
Brimzer,
[30:53] » thank you. Um, I I agree with Alder
Close. Um, I just appreciate that the
[30:58] design has those dedicated spaces for
folks that are living in Shbboen. um not
[31:03] just for the voters. So, um I think it's
easier to get behind this when I know
[31:08] that my kids can use the splash pad and
we can all head down there at any time
[31:12] and enjoy the space. Um the folks that
live here, I just have one question. So,
[31:16] those four shelters um that would be
along the marina.
[31:20] » Um so, you said they'll be like open
>> open buildings. So, and then they will
[31:27] have like a fireplace. So would those be
reservable or would it be like first
[31:31] come first serve?
>> I think I think the plan at the moment
[31:34] it's an operational issue but they'd be
reservable in the same way other
[31:37] dedicated you know picnic shelters and
things would be reservable. Yep.
[31:40] » Okay cool. Thank you
>> older per.
[31:43] » Thank you. Um just to make I just want
to uh clarify again. So the next if we
[31:51] um we go to the next stage
>> Mhm. Will we still be able to um remove
[31:59] some parts of these projects that we do
not feel we want to support? So, or in
[32:06] other words, your plan is a
comprehensive plan. Mhm.
[32:10] » And so
if we don't want those open spaces,
[32:15] right, those uh open uh shops or we
don't want the the splash pad or we
[32:21] don't want the whole event new event
building.
[32:25] » Mhm.
>> How comfortable will you be? Will be as
[32:28] easy as remove that part from your part
project, remove this, remove this,
[32:34] remove this and go on to the next step.
I want to make sure that we as a body
[32:40] are able to truly um assess each
individual piece piece of this project
[32:47] rather than arriving at the very last
and say oh now we cannot do anything
[32:52] anymore or now we are forced to or
whatever else we it would be presented
[32:57] at that time I don't want this body to
be in that and then the other concern so
[33:02] I I will let you answer that but then
the other concern I have is this is as
[33:07] cool as it comes, right? It's hard not
to like it. However, I also think there
[33:14] is nothing more sad that a cool place
that is not used.
[33:20] » How [clears throat] do we know that this
actually will be as used and attractive
[33:26] or generate the type of business we
want? What is the type of study we have
[33:31] done as a city?
uh will there be an interest for little
[33:37] restaurants there? Will there I know the
wants that we all expressed but I don't
[33:42] know what is the type of assessment we
truly have of the return
[33:49] » um on this investment. We have lived and
experienced in Marina for 30 years that
[33:54] has not been profitable.
>> Mh. So if we have to learn from the past
[34:01] uh that is something that speaks pretty
loud about it and I keep saying the same
[34:07] thing over and over again because I
don't think we have a clear I don't
[34:12] think we have addressed this clearly
enough.
[34:16] » So what I would say is this is the
schematic design level. So everything's
[34:19] in process. We as a design team take our
direction from the steering committee
[34:23] which is made up of many of your staff
around here. Um so your direction to the
[34:27] steering committee would pass to us in
terms of components that stay in or go.
[34:31] Um so from that perspective we'll
continue this again is an overall vision
[34:36] and so if a major element would come out
one of the conversations be well what
[34:39] goes there and how do we address what
what that space will be wouldn't leave
[34:42] an empty hole for example. So I would
say that your your feedback to the
[34:45] marina steering committee will come
directly to us and that's that's how our
[34:48] how we're set up um as it relates to uh
what what I think of as the market
[34:53] analysis. And so, um, you know, I I
really appreciate the comments. It's not
[34:56] about the boers. I am a boater. And this
is from a boater perspective. This is
[35:00] fantastic because boers want great
docks, but they also want cool, great
[35:03] spaces. And one of the things that we've
done, we actually did a survey of over
[35:06] 5,000 voters um for a project in
Michigan for the state of Michigan. And
[35:11] we asked them to name the best harbor
just with no context, just what's the
[35:14] best one. And they they picked a place
called Charavoy, Michigan. And when you
[35:18] look at it, it's all about this space
with this great park and this cool
[35:21] interesting the ice cream and the
restaurants and the stuff. So, it's
[35:23] exactly the things that we're putting in
here. So, we know that that is what at
[35:26] least the voters want as it relates to
what the rest of the community wants.
[35:31] And I would back up. We actually did a a
marina market analysis for this harbor
[35:35] for the um uh the what's the name of the
organization we did the study for?
[35:39] [laughter]
>> Visit Shbboan.
[35:41] » Vision. Vision. Thank you. Sorry, I
should know that. Visit Shbboen. So, we
[35:45] did the marina mark analysis. So we know
that we have actual data from doing a
[35:48] mark analysis um for this. So when we're
sizing the actual slips and all the
[35:52] things very high level of confidence in
the slip sizing and everything else what
[35:56] boats are out there. So on the marina
side we've done that on the upland side.
[35:59] Um exactly programming the building and
exactly what's coming. I will tell you
[36:03] this um I know that the one the problem
we have right now and what people didn't
[36:07] feel welcome was they didn't feel
welcome in you know there's the bar on
[36:10] the second floor of the Marina building.
Can I go in there? you know that this is
[36:14] a space that's exactly the reverse and
so when everything's about the community
[36:17] you have that what I would recommend as
that building evolves there's certainly
[36:21] the need to engage local businesses and
everybody else going hey if we have this
[36:24] will you come and you so that is a
process that would go on we're we're
[36:28] designing the building and the program
for it actually confirming that program
[36:32] and with local business is a process
that would be ongoing through design
[36:35] development
[36:38] » good okay any other questions
all All right. Thank you, Greg.
[36:43] Appreciate it.
>> All right. Next, uh item 11, another
[36:47] presentation by the Shboen public safety
departments, uh for the design
[36:52] development process, and then we have
fire chief and Laura will give an
[36:56] update.
>> Thank you.
[37:02] » Hi, mayor. Thank you, council members.
We're at that point again where we're
[37:06] seeking permission to move to the next
phase. With me is uh Laura Eisenogle
[37:11] from Wendell 5 Bugle Design. She'll give
you a little presentation uh on where
[37:16] where we have been, where we're at, and
then we're moving forward. So, she'll
[37:20] make it quick, but here I'll turn it
over to Laura.
[37:26] » Got it down here. Sorry.
>> Yeah, I was going to just make it um I
[37:29] [clears throat] was going to do one
thing real quick. I was going to go like
[37:31] that so it's bigger
>> and then go like that. Okay, perfect.
[37:35] Excellent. Um again, so thank you so
much for having me here tonight. Uh my
[37:38] name is Laura Eisenog. I work for Window
and Five Bugles. Like Chief said, I've
[37:41] been here several different times to go
over this presentation and just kind of
[37:45] give progress. So um as Chief said,
we're going to go over the project to
[37:48] date, what we've been covering over the
last couple of months, and then what
[37:51] we're proposing going on to next. So
essentially, we started um couple years
[37:56] ago, a year ago now. Uh we went through
concept design, we came and spoke to
[38:00] you, schematic design, which is where
these folks are at, then design
[38:03] development. And so now where we are is
we're about 60% done with our documents
[38:07] and we're hoping to move on to the
construction document phase and then
[38:10] ultimately bidding. So um into the
design development phase the it's
[38:16] exactly what it says. It's the
development of all the design details
[38:18] throughout the project. So we really
started focusing in on specific systems
[38:22] materials uh how things are really truly
going to function. uh we really uh
[38:27] talked a lot to your departments about
the civil engineering, how that's going
[38:30] to work and the specialty design with
your firing range and with your fire
[38:34] tower and just kept working through all
the details. So essentially over in the
[38:40] overall picture, not much has changed.
It's just a lot more uh details have
[38:44] been developed on it. So, we still have
our five facilities on the public safety
[38:47] complex with the station three, the
support building, uh the fire uh
[38:52] training tower, the firing range, and
then the addition to the police
[38:55] department for their fleet storage and
evidence storage. So, again, just kind
[38:59] of zooming in on this. Um we did not
move the site. The site's still at 23rd
[39:03] Street. So, everything is just exactly
how you saw it before. Um we are to the
[39:07] point though that though that we are
developing what the exteriors look like
[39:11] in more definition. So, this is the
direction that the building's headed.
[39:14] It's not final yet. We're still working
through some items, but you can kind of
[39:17] get the overall uh understanding of what
we've been developing with the chief and
[39:21] with the department. In terms of the
floor plan design, again, really nothing
[39:25] changed. We really started diving in.
You know, hallways might have tweaked a
[39:29] little bit here or there, but the
overall intent of the project has
[39:31] remained the same with training and
administration on the first floor and
[39:35] personal decontamination. our primary
response bays and our support uh command
[39:40] garage and then our exercise room is all
on the first floor of station 3. And
[39:44] then on the second floor of station 3 is
our living quarters for our department.
[39:48] Um in terms of interior finishes, we
started working through interior
[39:51] finishes as well as exterior finishes
with our department. They are not
[39:54] finalized yet, but you can kind of get
the uh impression that they are going
[39:58] for very comfortable homey uh
surroundings that are very durable and
[40:02] will last the test of time, especially
with fire departments. Um, in terms of
[40:07] what we're starting to look like on the
interiors, uh, this is a picture of our
[40:10] lobby space. This will be coming out of
the training room looking back to the
[40:13] front entry with the entry to the fire
department, uh, administration on the
[40:17] left hand side. Um, this is our large
training room that we have. This will
[40:21] also be used for public for voting. Um,
but it's primarily used for a training
[40:25] room and then as an EOC or emergency
operations center. Uh, this is our
[40:30] administration break room. making sure
that our administration has a spot to
[40:33] take a minute throughout the course of
the day. They can also use it for an
[40:36] informal conference space throughout the
day. And then when we move upstairs,
[40:40] this is an image of our day room or a
kitchen space to make sure that our
[40:43] responders have a nice big kitchen. And
then this is looking back at their
[40:47] dining room in the foreground, the day
room or their living room in the back
[40:50] right, and then the kitchen space in the
back left.
[40:53] Um, located directly behind station 3 is
our um apparatus support base. This is a
[40:58] singlestory facility. It's six backin
bays. Um, this will be made out of
[41:04] pre-cast. So, we're still working
through how that pre-cast will relate in
[41:07] terms of finish to station 3. And then
located behind or next to that is our
[41:13] fire training tower. And um, again, this
is an example of what the training tower
[41:17] will look like. Each one of these
training towers is specifically designed
[41:20] for your department. So, yours will be a
little bit different, but all intents
[41:23] and purposes, this is what it will be.
It's a five-story complex for live fire
[41:27] training that will be used by the police
department, fire department, and the
[41:30] public works departments.
Um, in terms of the firing range, um,
[41:36] again, the for plan for this has not
really changed significantly. We've been
[41:39] working through how it's going to
function, though. Um, but we still have
[41:42] our police department entry from the
north, our fire department entry from
[41:45] the south. We're still having our dirty
classroom or classroom space that we
[41:49] don't have to worry about going in when
they're coming from the live fire
[41:51] training tower. they can go right into
the space without doing too much of a
[41:55] decon process. That's what it means to
be a dirty classroom. And then the
[41:58] firing ranges in the red with the
training mezzanine up above. Um our
[42:02] police department expansion, we are
proposing doing that in again pre-cast
[42:06] tip-up panels to help save cost but also
still make it a very durable structure
[42:10] for our police department. We're working
through what this one will look like,
[42:13] but our intention is to have it reflect
the existing building with the gray
[42:17] block and then some uh horizontal
banding that will kind of blend into
[42:21] what you have there already. Um, in
terms of what this looks like, again,
[42:25] the floor plan did not change. Uh, so we
have our fleet garage space, maintenance
[42:29] storage, evidence storage, and then it
attaches onto the existing facility. In
[42:34] terms of station two, the only change
that we really had to this project was
[42:38] instead of having our primary response
to the south on me, we are going to have
[42:43] our response onto 18th Street. Um that
was a decision that the department made
[42:48] after hearing some concerns from the
community and then thinking through how
[42:51] they are responding and how the roadways
are constructed. So just like with
[42:55] station 3, uh we're still designing the
exterior elements, but this is
[42:59] essentially what we are um pushing
forward with with the design. very
[43:03] traditional looking fire stations. And
again, not much has changed on the floor
[43:07] plans. We still have our exercise, a
little bit of uh training space, a small
[43:12] administration of one office, and then a
conference room, and then our watch
[43:15] room. M. Uh the main thing on this first
floor are our apparatus bays, which are
[43:19] two drive-through bays and one back in
bay, and then our personal
[43:21] decontamination.
On the second floor, then uh we have our
[43:26] um dorms and our living quarters. Our
living quarters, our kitchen and dining
[43:30] space. We'll be keeping the interior
finishes the same from interior and
[43:34] exterior finishes the same from both
stations uh to keep it nice and
[43:38] consistent. This again is the lobby. So,
this is right when you're walking into
[43:42] station 2. So, those doors there, that's
the glass door. That'll show you um that
[43:46] goes into the conference room. And then
the door on the right hand side goes to
[43:50] the back of the station or the back of
house spaces. When we go upstairs, this
[43:54] is our kitchen space for our responders.
And then our dining room is uh connected
[43:58] to that space with some windows to the
north to make sure they get some nice
[44:01] natural light into that space. And then
the windows on the right hand side, the
[44:05] square windows, those go uh look down
into the apparatus bay. In terms of the
[44:09] day room, this is our day room. Again,
it's internally located. So we did have
[44:13] some windows that look down into the
apparatus bays. They can get some
[44:15] borrowed light into those spaces.
So what's next? Um like I mentioned, we
[44:21] just finished up our 60% document set.
who are proposing we're asking
[44:24] permission to go into construction
documents. Um so in construction
[44:29] documents we will finalize the the
documents that would go out for bidding.
[44:32] So we'll really concentrate on the final
details um door hardware, interior
[44:37] finishes and exterior finishes. Uh we'll
dive into more of the owner purchased
[44:42] equipment such as vehicle exhaust or
security systems and our station
[44:45] alerting. And then ultimately we will
come back to the department. We'll have
[44:49] a series of meetings but it will
culminate in the 90% owner review which
[44:52] is a final page turn that we go through.
So in terms of overall project schedule
[44:58] this is a proposed schedule. Obviously
we can flex it as much as we need to and
[45:02] you know adapt as we would like to but
essentially our team will be ready to go
[45:05] to bid uh this January. So it would be
our goal to hand over the documents in
[45:11] January and ask permission to go to bid
in January. Um if we are given
[45:15] permission then we would release for
bid. We are proposing about a one-mon
[45:19] bid period. Um once we have the bids
received, we would read through them,
[45:24] vet the bids, vet the bids to make sure
that everything is um appropriate and
[45:29] then come back to um seek permission to
award the bids and go into mobilization.
[45:35] Um if all that goes to plan, we'd be
breaking ground in the spring. Sometime
[45:40] around April would be the goal. Um
March, if we have a really great winter,
[45:44] a really warm winter for us is great for
construction. and then ribbon cutting
[45:48] would be about 15 months later. Um, in
terms of the estimate, so we kept right
[45:54] on track with where it was before. The
only thing that you'll see different is
[45:58] that we did break out the station
alerting security and vehicle exhaust.
[46:02] Those numbers were up above for stations
two, station three, and then the other
[46:06] facilities associated with this project.
But we are going to be looking at uh
[46:10] including uh vehicle exhaust alerting
and security at your other stations to
[46:14] make sure that all the stations are
receiving the same type of equipment.
[46:18] And that's why that's broken out at the
bottom.
[46:21] Um and that's it.
>> All right.
[46:23] » Questions?
>> Thank you, Laura. City administrator TS
[46:27] up.
>> Yeah. Can you go back one slide there?
[46:31] Uh just to point out for everybody, we
we do have these in the budget to be
[46:35] replaced over the next couple years. And
what we've asked the chief to do is to
[46:40] include them if we're going to do these
two projects. It doesn't make sense to
[46:44] do two stations and then do the other
three independently. Um so we would look
[46:49] at doing one bid for all five stations
and that's why we've we've put it here.
[46:54] But um this wouldn't be new borrowing
that we would do for the other stations.
[46:58] it's already in the budget and planned
for. Um, so it just basically be done as
[47:03] a part of the capital plan as it's
already planned just with this project
[47:07] to help uh reduce the overall costs.
Instead of five separate projects, it
[47:12] would be one project affecting all five
stations.
[47:16] Questions uh for for Laura or the fire
chief?
[47:23] » All right, seeing none. Thank you.
>> Thank you.
[47:26] » All right. Next item 12, public forum.
Deputy city clerk. Anyone for this
[47:31] evening?
>> There are four speaking this evening.
[47:34] » All right. First,
>> Michael Brunette.
[47:38] » You have a question. Joe,
[47:42] » uh, we're postponing that one.
>> Yeah. All right. Mike, name, address,
[47:46] and item you're speaking on, and you
have five minutes.
[47:49] » 611 North Water Street, apartment 303,
item number seven, and more. Okay, item
[47:58] number seven is appointments to the
board, the board of the housing
[48:03] authority or whatever it's called. And
uh basically they had they had a couple
[48:09] resignations recently and like
everything shuigen everywhere everybody
[48:17] villainizes the old white guy. This
dude, half you guys in here, white
[48:23] women, what it is, but the old white
guy, most evil thing in the history of
[48:27] the world. Election times, people are
rolling around saying, "Vote for this
[48:31] guy cuz he's this that, that, anything
but the old white guy." Truth is, when
[48:35] you look at your boards, they're all
white guys. They're all white women.
[48:39] It's just what it is. It's what it is.
And right now in the housing authority
[48:43] board, you had a bunch of people resign
and da da da and you brought in more of
[48:50] what I would call cronyism professional
administrators and basically you had one
[48:56] person move in and another person moving
in and I don't feel safe there. These
[49:01] are people that are hostile to me openly
and they're becoming my they're becoming
[49:06] my keepers. And moving on from that,
it's not going to matter. It's what it
[49:10] is. you had on on that board, you had
John Donovan who was on redevelopment
[49:14] authority and he was on housing
authority and he's there at the meeting.
[49:17] I'm there for a totally different reason
and it's like but you go there and
[49:22] you're just like what the and literally
he's telling everybody how he's in
[49:27] Ireland and he's doing this stuff and
he's using his in-laws address and I
[49:32] mention it to Lisa Salgado. She mentions
it and all a sudden it's a big huff huff
[49:35] up and I'm like gez, you know, it's like
I don't mention it to people so he can
[49:38] use it cuz I'm no one actually goes
here. So then everybody's mad at me for
[49:42] calling this out. But seriously, if this
dude was in housing, he'd get kicked out
[49:48] of the building for doing what he would
and he'd lose his pension or whatever
[49:52] this and that. D, but you're in there as
an administrator. You're coming in there
[49:56] with no heart and you're looking at
stuff from money instead of as people.
[50:00] And the same thing with what you're
doing with all this other stuff. Now,
[50:03] one mention of people you're doing
public safety, how much you're going to
[50:07] spend to keep people safe here. You
created a blighted area called the
[50:12] marina where right now broken window
theory. Somebody brought it up to me the
[50:16] other week. And I'm like, "Yeah, I kind
of know what it is." But you created it
[50:20] there where you created a void. So, the
kids are there, then you're calling the
[50:23] police on them, so the police are
hassling them. Oh. Oh, that's a problem
[50:26] now. And that plan is ridiculous.
There's no real plan there. They'll have
[50:32] somebody come in 3 to 5 years and and
then the Army Corps will take care of
[50:36] stuff. You'll take care of this. That
over half your boats are fishing boats.
[50:40] Just true. I I surveyed it, went through
with my drones and got every square inch
[50:45] of that and checked on it. It's
basically a junkyard on the water. Why
[50:50] are you only pushing one agenda down on
the water that has failed forever? It
[50:54] was voted down then and you're doing it
again. and the public safety thing. Just
[50:58] the insane amount of money you people
are spending and it has nothing to do
[51:03] with citizens. We can't have anything.
Oh, it's for the voters this and that
[51:08] and that. The hell with the voters. They
had to run and they blew it to say the
[51:13] least. You can still have boats there.
You just don't have to make it a big
[51:17] damn parking lot and then put in there
basically you're trying to put a little
[51:21] mini summerfest grounds on. And the
bottom line is you don't know how to run
[51:24] anything. You've proven that. You have
proven that.
[51:29] » All right. City clerk, deputy city
clerk,
[51:33] » Fern Lamibo,
[51:37] » Fern, name, address, item you're
speaking on, and you'll have five
[51:40] minutes. You just adjust the mic. Thank
you.
[51:44] » Fern Luma, 409 Wisconsin Avenue, and I
am here to discuss number 17, which is
[51:49] the adoption of the waterfront plan. So,
of course, I could nitpick a bunch of
[51:53] small little things uh that I'm just
particular about, like the face of the
[51:57] building blocks, the view from the beach
pavilion to the lighthouse. Like,
[52:01] there's a bunch of little things, but
overall, the biggest thing that I get
[52:05] still am a bit disappointed to is that
there still wasn't too much public
[52:10] input. Uh sessions allowed for it. I
know when uh the comprehensive plan came
[52:15] through, there was push and we added
more into it. you mentioned um that
[52:20] there were many and there were two the
one in December um 18 2025 which was
[52:26] before this entire plan and these
pictures have come through and since
[52:29] then we've had the July 21st one which
was the only other one and from the city
[52:34] side of it even on their like social
media there's only one post which was
[52:38] the event creation for the July 21st one
and nothing else pushing it forward
[52:43] anywhere even closer towards the event
which I find a shame cuz I love to try
[52:48] to inform the public on things. It's one
of those things that I find the most
[52:51] important because an informed community
has at least the opportunity to make a
[52:55] difference, but people that don't know
what's happening get so lost. And so
[52:59] many times I get the comment of, "Oh,
we're working on a marina plan. That's
[53:03] crazy." And I find it very difficult cuz
I would love the city to just push for
[53:08] that forward so we do get more public
input and get the ability to get just
[53:13] everybody's perspective. The other
bigger thought on the marina building
[53:17] itself, I'm a huge fan of separating the
facilities. I think it makes sense
[53:20] moving the boating things back down
towards the boating area, keep it
[53:24] consolidated. Um, for the building
itself, I do personally believe that we
[53:28] are biting too much that we can't
handle. It's such a large facility
[53:34] that's housing so many different things,
so many different businesses, buildings,
[53:37] and from my perspective, I've seen us
struggle with the current Marina
[53:41] building. And that in itself, although I
know it is not repairable for a
[53:47] reasonable cost, we still let it go
downhill over the past, you know, 30
[53:50] plus years to get to where it's at
today. And for the management side of
[53:54] it, I know I've talked to the bar owners
at times who were in there and they
[53:58] struggled. One thing I'll question is
about just like the plan for signage.
[54:01] That was one of those things that was
mentioned at the time that it was
[54:04] difficult to always get their name out.
This will be different because it's such
[54:07] a large scale facility, but with that,
there's just so much going into it. all
[54:11] of the event spaces, all of the shops,
and then let alone all of the pavilions.
[54:16] It is, I just think, too much to be
assuming that we'll have be able to like
[54:21] manage all of it as a city. Um, the
parking situation I do find concerning.
[54:25] If there's anybody that knows me,
they'll know I will not advocate for
[54:28] more parking. Not a huge fan. I don't
like driving. I'll walk and bike
[54:31] everywhere. But with the amount of
parking spaces cut and adding all these
[54:36] facilities, I just can't see it. I was
trying to math out how many spaces you
[54:40] would need, but having a 500 person
event space and then even if those shops
[54:44] are running and you got workers there,
caterers there, that parking space is
[54:49] already full with the like the 240
that was approximated to be um you know
[54:55] still maintained. The next public
walking parking I guess would be street
[55:00] parking about 1,000 ft away from both
entrances. And overall that part I don't
[55:06] know how feasible it sounds to me. Um
storage facilities for all of it. Each
[55:13] one of the event spaces I'm very curious
on. I know we're going to go into the
[55:17] further details but planning all the
windows and everything. Some of these to
[55:20] me should be planned a little bit better
where the chairs, the tables, first
[55:24] floor, second floor, restaurants, all of
that. Uh there's a very minimal amount
[55:29] of like storage andor like backstock
rooms for people to be able to like do
[55:33] the marketing for things. And I know
we're comparing it sort of to the
[55:37] Milwaukee public spaces or the public
market, but to me that's also a very
[55:42] different situation. Theirs is directly
in the heart of town. Ours is on the
[55:46] edge and we're now turning a destination
space away from downtown, away from the
[55:50] riverfront when we've already put so
much money into those themselves and
[55:55] they're doing okay. I think they could
always be doing better. I wish we did
[55:58] put some more attention into either one
of those. Um, but that's where I do
[56:03] think it's just it is a lot. I've also
been told to mention something about
[56:06] like birds safe glass is a big thing,
especially with all those tall windows.
[56:10] There's like the restrooms number or
letter C. I think they're almost a bit
[56:15] excessive to put another building in
front of all the glass windows. That's
[56:18] going to be the bar and restaurant. It
blocks the view, which is I think one of
[56:22] the biggest parts of doing that. Um,
yeah, it's one of those things that I
[56:27] could really go and talk about way too
many things, but I just like designing.
[56:31] Um, but the biggest thing is please do
more public input, push bigger for
[56:36] people to come in, have more spaces,
uptown social. I know there's a lot of
[56:41] things going on, but I think it' make a
big impact for the members of community.
[56:47] » Thank you, Deputy City Clerk.
>> Peter, mayor.
[56:53] Peter, name, address, item you're
speaking on. Five minutes.
[56:56] » Thank you. Uh, my name is Peter Mayor.
My residence is 1314 North Fifth Street.
[57:01] My office address is 502 North 6th
Street. And I am uh the chair of the
[57:07] Marina Parks and Forestry Commission,
but these are my personal comments. Um,
[57:11] I'm speaking on agenda item 17 in favor
of adoption of the waterfront marina
[57:16] master plan and schematic design
prepared by Edgewater Resources. In
[57:21] general, I'm in favor of the Marina plan
because it satisfies the guiding
[57:25] principles, including the following.
One, the plan addresses in the best
[57:29] manner possible the physical conditions,
including winter, ice, and storm issues.
[57:35] Two, the marina elements are designed in
a manner that will enable the marina
[57:40] itself to be financially feasible and
self-sufficient. Three, the design plan
[57:46] brings the entire community, including
non-boers, into the waterfront spaces in
[57:51] the best manner possible for the benefit
of the greater Shboan community. Some of
[57:56] the design elements I like in particular
are one, the opportunity to phase marina
[58:01] slip installation to grow the marina
over time to meet demand as it increases
[58:07] and delay some front-end expenses for
docks until the marina fully rebounds.
[58:12] to a right-sized, properly located
multi-purpose marina building uh to
[58:18] better address parks department needs,
marina staffing levels, and proximity to
[58:23] the fuel docks. Operationally less
costly but sufficiently attractive
[58:27] boater lounge and other boater amenities
to attract seasonal and transient boers.
[58:33] Uh and uh park security uh first
responder and safety allocated space.
[58:39] Again, uh if you saw the numbers in
detail, the prior Marina admin building
[58:44] is 11,000 ft². This one is 9,500. So,
we're right sizing it but creating
[58:51] multi-purpose use. Um outstanding
design, particularly of green space to
[58:57] encourage the entire community to visit
the waterfront, including three smaller
[59:01] waterfront gathering spaces along the
prominade with fire pits, swings, and
[59:07] park facilities. Uh and four unique uh
popjet splash pad, attractively designed
[59:13] pathways, pergola seating areas, better
park style lighting, surfers winter
[59:17] terrace with uh with fire pit, reduced
parking lot size, public access pier,
[59:23] and courtesy dock that together better
join a familyfriendly community marina
[59:30] to a familyfriendly dand park. Back in
October of 2025, the Marina Parks and
[59:37] Forestry Commission recommended hiring
Edgewater Resources, but expressed
[59:42] concern on two issues. Uh, first was a
review of the current current marina
[59:47] admin building structure to determine
whether it was adequate and could be
[59:52] maintained and continue to be used. We
appreciate that additional review and
[59:58] investigation was done. Although the
result was that the admin building can't
[1:00:02] be realistically retained, we're glad
that that review was done just so that
[1:00:07] we're assured that that's the right step
to take. The second element was that the
[1:00:11] Marina Parks and Forestry Commission uh
voted to recommend only a restaurant and
[1:00:17] event space uh if it was privately
funded uh to obtain and address the
[1:00:23] construction cost of the building. Um,
with respect to the Dand Park Event
[1:00:28] Building, I don't have enough
information on the cost of removing the
[1:00:32] well-liked and regularly used Dand
Community Center and building the Dand
[1:00:37] Park event building, which seems to
necessitate moving forward to the next
[1:00:42] step uh in order to obtain construction
cost estimates. Um, I do very much like
[1:00:48] the Dan Park event building, including
broad community access to event space
[1:00:53] and the small shop, small food stall
marketplace, similar in concept to a
[1:00:58] scaledown Milwaukee public market,
Chelsea Market in New York City, Reading
[1:01:03] Terminal Market in Philly, uh, Pike
Place in Seattle, or Lincoln Eery in
[1:01:08] Miami Beach, which are all very
successful community marketplaces. Um,
[1:01:13] however, I'm concerned about whether
that building will be financially
[1:01:16] self-sufficient uh on its own. I don't
believe that the Marina slip operations
[1:01:22] can financially subsidize and support
the Dion Park event building. So, it's
[1:01:27] going to need to stand on its own. Um
therefore I believe it's going going to
[1:01:32] be critical to have detailed operational
plans and financial performs in place
[1:01:37] including tenant leases and eventbased
market analysis before removing the
[1:01:42] existing dand community center and
proceeding with the dand park event
[1:01:46] building. Again though that's further
ahead. Uh right now we're at the stage
[1:01:52] of the master plan and schematic design
approval which I can wholeheartedly
[1:01:56] recommend at this time while also
recommending that operational plans and
[1:02:01] financial performs and market analysis
uh be done on the Dian Park event
[1:02:06] building itself. Thank you.
>> Thank you Peter.
[1:02:09] » Deputy city clerk
>> Kurt Cobber.
[1:02:14] » Mr. Cobber name, address, item you're
speaking on and then you'll have five
[1:02:19] minutes. All right, sounds good. Good
evening. My name is Kurt Cobber residing
[1:02:22] at 534 Humbled Avenue. I'll be speaking
to item number 17 on the agenda,
[1:02:28] adopting the new waterfront marina
master plan and schematic design. Uh
[1:02:32] Mayor Sorenson and common council along
with the city staff, I want to thank you
[1:02:37] for the work you do for our community.
Uh the choice you do is significant and
[1:02:42] our city would not operate without you.
So I want to thank you on the front end
[1:02:46] for your contribution to our community.
I'm a fourth generation Shabboanite uh
[1:02:50] lakeshore homeowner, a boat owner, and
someone who has been actively involved
[1:02:54] in shoreline issues from the Southshore
Revetman project to the broader
[1:02:58] lakefront and waterfront. I'm here
tonight to strongly support the
[1:03:02] Edgewater Resources Marina plan in its
entirety. I'm looking at what really
[1:03:07] makes to be a successful marina.
Tonight, we will talk about the first
[1:03:11] piece, which are slips, but there are
two other pieces, storage and service.
[1:03:16] But slips come first, and that's what
we'll focus tonight on. We need safe,
[1:03:20] modern slips in good condition,
protected by the right breakwater
[1:03:24] infrastructure designed around actual
conditions we experience in Lake
[1:03:27] Michigan. We definitely saw that tonight
and the work that Edgewater did. I'm
[1:03:32] encouraged by that work because that's
not always been the case when we've done
[1:03:35] these developments in the past and we've
looked at extreme conditions in every
[1:03:39] direction and we clearly see that in the
plan. I'm also encouraged by the design
[1:03:44] and how it opens up the waterfront to
the broader community. This is not just
[1:03:48] a boater plan. This is a community plan
and that was very clear from the
[1:03:52] beginning that the community was asking
for the waterfront to be a waterfront
[1:03:56] for everyone and as a boater I support
that. Uh yes, it improves slips and
[1:04:00] boating infrastructure but ultimately it
becomes a broader community asset and we
[1:04:04] are so fortunate to have so many here in
Shboan. Um, the other thing I want to
[1:04:09] consider is as we pl as you consider
passing this plan tonight, think of
[1:04:14] ahead to the future and what might be
required. As I mentioned, there are two
[1:04:18] other elements that will make this
marina successful. It is storage and is
[1:04:23] also service. Uh, without those three
legs of the stool, no marina is
[1:04:27] successful. And that's what we've missed
for the last 30 years here in Shboen.
[1:04:31] I'll give you my own experience because
I think this helps dimensionalize why
[1:04:34] these other elements are important. I
recently moved my boat from out of the
[1:04:38] state of Wisconsin to here in Shbboan
because I wanted to spend more time here
[1:04:42] with my family and use that asset on the
water. On an annual basis, I'll spend
[1:04:47] $30,000 servicing this boat, of which
$3,000 will be spent here in Shbboen.
[1:04:52] The remaining $27,000 will be spent in
Manitwalk County on storage and service
[1:04:58] in the offse. Those are $27,000
I'd rather spend in Shuen County. If you
[1:05:04] take that math and extend it just to 200
slips and you cut the amount of service
[1:05:08] that someone spends on an annual basis,
that's another $3 million in revenue
[1:05:13] that we are not getting in Shboen
County. And so again, that's not the
[1:05:16] issue tonight, but as you continue to
plan forward, think about what it takes
[1:05:20] to make a successful marina. It is the
slips that we're talking about tonight,
[1:05:24] but it's also the storage and the
service that comes with it. So tonight,
[1:05:27] I encourage you to approve the plan, get
the slips and infrastructure right,
[1:05:31] create the kind of onshore and offshore
waterfront this community deserves, but
[1:05:36] let's keep going forward to explore what
storage and service look like in this
[1:05:40] community. I think when we do all of
those things together, we'll not build
[1:05:44] not only a better place for voters, but
we'll build a better place for our
[1:05:48] community that's more economically
viable in the long term. Thanks for your
[1:05:51] time.
>> Thank you, Mr. Cobber.
[1:05:53] All right, that concludes our public
forum for this evening. Uh just a few
[1:05:57] notes and announcements on my end. Um
the city council requested um uh more
[1:06:04] information regarding uh data centers um
and and the city just announced earlier
[1:06:09] today uh about uh several speaking
series that we'll be having coming up um
[1:06:16] regarding variety of different topics
regarding uh uh um data centers. want to
[1:06:21] reiterate that we do not have a data
center planned or proposed. We also have
[1:06:24] a current moratorum uh in place as well.
We'll have four sessions on September
[1:06:29] 9th, 16th, 23rd, and 30th, all at 6 p.m.
at Uptown Social. More information
[1:06:35] regarding the speaking series can be
found on the city's communication
[1:06:39] platforms and comm and as well as the
city's website as well. Also, the other
[1:06:43] week, uh we had a successful, uh block
downtown block party. I want to thank uh
[1:06:49] the Department of Public Works, city
staff, our friends at the Shabboan JC's,
[1:06:54] all the sponsors, our friends at Three
Sheep's Brewing, uh as well as all the
[1:06:57] community car owners that stepped up uh
and brought their cars downtown to
[1:07:02] Shbboan and had a wonderful event uh
considering the circumstances of us
[1:07:06] having to pivot away from a primary boat
focused event uh and making sure we
[1:07:10] still have fun in the community. So, I
want to just do some shout outs and
[1:07:12] thanks for those that made that
successful. So, those conclude my
[1:07:16] announcements for this evening. Uh we
will move on to our consent agenda items
[1:07:21] 14
through 24. Alder Boris,
[1:07:25] » I move to accept and file all reports
and adopt all resolutions.
[1:07:29] » Second.
>> Moved and seconded. Any discussion on
[1:07:31] any of the items on the consent agenda?
Alder Kelly. [snorts]
[1:07:34] » Um just to address some of the items
from the public forum. Um, with the
[1:07:39] Marina plan moving forward, uh, do we
have public input sessions planned
[1:07:44] already, um, to address the the plan as
it develops?
[1:07:49] » You want to take that,
>> city administrator?
[1:07:52] » Yes. As as we work through design, um,
so I think we had 25 individuals show up
[1:08:00] uh to the last public public
[clears throat] input session, so it was
[1:08:03] pretty limited. Um we did hold a number
of uh u user group focus groups as well
[1:08:10] to get direct in impact or input. So I
believe the plan would be to do
[1:08:14] something very similar as this plan
moves into the next stage. Correct me if
[1:08:19] I'm wrong Greg. I believe that was in
the contract that we would so there will
[1:08:24] be an opportunity for more public
feedback. Um you know it's it's always
[1:08:29] hit or miss or people are available. I
mean, you know, we got to try
[1:08:32] coordinating all the groups together.
So, um, we're not looking at a series of
[1:08:36] these. We're looking at because this is
a multi-layered process. So, um, we're
[1:08:41] not going to hold a whole series like we
did when we did the master plan. So,
[1:08:45] this is more each iteration, we'll get
feedback. Um, so, you know, if if folks
[1:08:51] can't make it to it, but want to provide
feedback, they're more than welcome to
[1:08:54] uh contact my office and we can get that
feedback over to Edgewater as well. So,
[1:09:00] » thank you.
>> Thank you.
[1:09:01] » Any other discussion on any of the
consent agenda items?
[1:09:06] All right. Seeing no more, we'll do a
voice vote on this. All those in favor
[1:09:10] of approving the items on the consent
agenda, state I.
[1:09:13] » I.
>> Any opposed? Hearing none, those items
[1:09:17] are approved.
[1:09:20] Next resolutions. Item 25, resolution
number 832627
[1:09:26] by alders Boris and Close authorizing
the issuance and sale up to 893,200
[1:09:33] taxable private LSL replacement loan
program revenue bonds series 2026A and
[1:09:39] providing other details and covenants
with respect there too and approval of
[1:09:43] related financial assistance agreement.
Alder Boris,
[1:09:46] » I ask to suspend the rules. I move to
adopt the resolution. Any objections to
[1:09:51] adopt or to suspending?
Hearing none, can you make the motion
[1:09:56] again?
>> I move to adopt resolution.
[1:09:58] » Thank you.
>> Second.
[1:09:59] » Moved and seconded. Uh, anyone want to
speak on why we're suspending?
[1:10:03] » There you go.
>> Okay. I I I got the cues. Yeah. City
[1:10:07] administrator,
>> I'm going to Yeah, I probably [laughter]
[1:10:10] will.
>> Thank you, Alder Hidman. All three of
[1:10:13] these items, uh, 25, 26, 27, um, all
have to do with the clean water fund.
[1:10:21] So, this is this is a request from the,
uh, Wisconsin Department of Natural
[1:10:27] Resources through the Shboan Water
Utility. Um, you'll recall we've done
[1:10:31] this a number of times over the past
couple years in trying to secure and
[1:10:36] procure money for uh citizens to replace
u depending on what program they fall
[1:10:43] into and where they live in the city. Um
this these loans provide a subsidy um
[1:10:49] anywhere from 100% to I think as low as
possibly 50% um some may even go to 25%
[1:10:57] but um depending where they live uh the
census track that they're in they
[1:11:02] qualify under various federal programs.
This uh all three of these items here
[1:11:06] are essentially um our contribution to
approving this and then it goes to um
[1:11:13] the water utility. the water utility
uses that to fund. Um, and depending on
[1:11:17] which program they're in, the payback is
either an agreement between the water
[1:11:22] utility, the city, um, to to pay it back
if there's a a cost. If it's not 100%
[1:11:27] and if it's 100%, then there's just no
cost to the citizen at all.
[1:11:33] All right, there's been a motion and
second as well as an explanation. Any
[1:11:37] further discussion on this item
hearing? None. All those in favor of
[1:11:42] approving item 25 state I
>> I
[1:11:45] » I.
>> Any objections? Hearing none. That is
[1:11:48] approved. Next item 26, resolution
number 842627
[1:11:53] by alders Boris and Close authorizing
the issuance and sale up to 247,500
[1:12:00] taxable private LSL replacement loan
program revenue bond series 2026B and
[1:12:07] providing for other details and
covenants with respect there too and
[1:12:10] approval of related financial assistance
agreement. Alder Boris,
[1:12:13] » I ask to suspend the rules.
>> Any objection to suspension?
[1:12:17] Hearing none, please proceed with your
motion.
[1:12:19] » I move you adopt the resolution.
>> Second.
[1:12:21] » Moved and seconded. Are there further
discussion on this matter?
[1:12:26] Hearing none. All those in favor of
approval of this item state. I
[1:12:30] » I.
>> Any objection? That is approved.
[1:12:34] Item 27, resolution number 852627 by
alers Boris and Close, authorizing the
[1:12:40] appropriate city officials to execute
the Department of Natural Resource
[1:12:43] Principal forgiveness financial
assistance agreements regarding DNR
[1:12:46] project number 4901-18.
Alder Boris,
[1:12:51] » I ask to suspend the rules.
>> Any objections?
[1:12:55] Hearing none, please proceed with your
motion.
[1:12:57] » I move to adopt the resolution. Second.
>> Moved and second. Um, under discussion
[1:13:03] on this matter
hearing none. All those in favor of
[1:13:07] approval of that item state I.
>> I.
[1:13:10] » I.
>> Any objections?
[1:13:13] Hearing none. That is approved.
Next item 28, resolution number 762627
[1:13:21] by elders Boris and Heidman approving
design development for the public safety
[1:13:25] complex and authorizing the appropriate
city officials to proceed with the
[1:13:28] preparation of construction documents in
cooperation with window company. Alder
[1:13:32] Boris
>> I move to adopt the resolution
[1:13:35] » moved and seconded under discussion on
this matter.
[1:13:40] » Seeing none all those in favor of
approval of this matter please state I.
[1:13:45] I
>> any objections?
[1:13:48] That matter is approved. Items 29 and 30
will be referred to the transit
[1:13:54] commission. Next, we have a contemplated
close session. Alder Boris,
[1:14:00] » I move to convene in close session under
the exemption contained in Wisconsin
[1:14:03] statute S19851G
for the purpose of discussion related to
[1:14:08] a possible investment of public funds to
purchase Town of Wilson parcel numbers
[1:14:14] 5930454780
[1:14:18] 59304-54810
[1:14:22] 59304
[1:14:26] 54815 5 and 5930454782.
[1:14:33] » Second.
>> Moved and seconded. This is a roll call
[1:14:36] vote. Will the deputy clerk please call
the role?
[1:14:38] » Alder person Boris.
>> I.
[1:14:41] » Alder person Bzer.
>> Hi.
[1:14:43] » Alder person Close.
>> Hi.
[1:14:44] » Alder person Decker.
>> Hi.
[1:14:46] » Alder person Graine.
>> Hi.
[1:14:48] » Alder person heman.
>> Hi.
[1:14:50] » Alder person Kelly.
>> Hi.
[1:14:52] » Alder person Mensor.
>> Hi.
[1:14:54] » Alder person Mitchell.
>> Hi. Alder personela
[1:14:59] » there are 10 eyes I
>> all right that is approved we will
[1:15:02] adjourn open session and we'll convene
in close session and we will come back
[1:15:07] in open session
[1:15:13] » all right we will reconvene in open
session Boris
[1:15:18] » I move to reconvene in open session for
possible action relating to the matters
[1:15:22] discussed in close session
>> second moved and seconded Will the
[1:15:27] deputy city clerk call the role?
>> Alder Boris.
[1:15:31] » I.
>> Alder Bzer.
[1:15:32] » Hi.
>> Alder Close.
[1:15:34] » Hi.
>> Alder Decker.
[1:15:35] » Hi.
>> Alder Gravine.
[1:15:36] » Hi.
>> Alder Haidman.
[1:15:38] » Hi.
>> Alder Kelly.
[1:15:40] » Hi.
>> Alder Mensor.
[1:15:41] » Hi.
>> Alder Mitchell.
[1:15:44] » Hi.
>> Alder Pella.
[1:15:46] » Hi.
>> There are 10 eyes.
[1:15:48] » All right. We're back in open session.
Next is resolution item 33. Resolution
[1:15:53] number 862627
by Elders Mitchell Imprella authorizing
[1:15:57] the purchase of approximately 55.361
acres of land in Town Wilson identified
[1:16:04] as parcel numbers 5930454780
[1:16:09] 593454810
[1:16:13] 5930454815
[1:16:17] and 5930454782
[1:16:21] from Mark Pierce Kath Catherine Pierce,
Rachel Olgan, Matthew Pierce,
[1:16:26] Mitchell Pierce, Alder Bors.
>> I ask to suspend the rules.
[1:16:30] » Any objection to suspension?
>> Hearing none, please proceed with your
[1:16:35] motion.
>> I move to adopt the resolution.
[1:16:37] » Second.
>> Thank you. Moved and seconded. Uh, under
[1:16:40] discussion.
All right. Hearing none. We'll call a
[1:16:46] roll call on this one.
>> Alder person Boris.
[1:16:49] » I.
>> Elder person Ber.
[1:16:51] » Hi. Elder person Close.
>> Hi.
[1:16:54] » Alder person Decker.
>> Hi.
[1:16:55] » Alder person Graine.
>> Hi.
[1:16:57] » Alder person Haidaman.
>> Hi.
[1:16:59] » Alder person Kelly.
>> Hi.
[1:17:01] » Alder person Mensor.
>> Hi.
[1:17:03] » Alder person Mitchell.
>> Hi.
[1:17:06] » Alder person Pela.
>> Hi.
[1:17:08] » There are 10 eyes.
>> All right. That item is approved
[1:17:11] unanimously. We've exhausted our agenda
for this evening. Alder Boris. What is
[1:17:14] your uh motion?
>> I move to adjourn.
[1:17:17] » Second.
>> All those in favor of adjourning state.
[1:17:19] I.
>> I. We're at 7:55. Good night, everybody.
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