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» No, this would have been

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» And I don't know how you write it in
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» That's a talent that I don't have.
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says
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» I think he's
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» he doesn't
>> because he give up. He quit.

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» Oh, I know.
>> He quit.

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» [clears throat]
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» fix anything at the condo. So
you know being in there fix anything

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be right there.
>> Oh yeah.

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» Yeah.

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Your daughter.
It's great to have her up there.

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» Looking forward to that trip. I may
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» I'll go just about

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» see the screen.
>> We haven't seen I haven't seen

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» what color
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over there.
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Hey, you're trying to fill in all these
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» I had two guys.
>> Sorry about that. But any [laughter]

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» You got the brethren right there.
>> Season ticket holder to Knoxville and to

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Navy. Yeah, I think
>> that's impressive.

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» Get [snorts] to many go many Navy games.
>> Uh, we're going to at least one this

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in October. My son's on a ship in

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Norfol. So,
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» And Army Navy. Got tickets for that.
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» Coach Raph's done a really good job.
She's a good lady. Of course, she, you

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know, she trained on.
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» and I think their athletic director

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she was on the court at the same time.

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Mor.
>> How you doing, Cat? I'm doing well.

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» How are you?
>> I'm good. Good. Hey. Hello, Jim. Mayor,

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» how are you doing? Good to see you.
Brian,

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» how you doing?
>> How you doing, bud? Good.

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» Hey, guys. How are y'all?
behind

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» You going to get the lunch?
>> I'll get it probably later if I

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» If I don't, I'm fine.
>> I'll fall off to nothing.

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» I won't [laughter] recognize you next
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» It'll hurt.

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» You're [laughter] probably right. You're
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» Excuse me.

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Boys doing good.
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» Tim likes going and then the oldest one
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it from there.
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» Is he Apollo?
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» He's the
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» Just a little.
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he's the reactor control assistant or
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» He like it.
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likes the job.
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dream.
>> Your son married.

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» He's working for the state department.
uh at the he's at the embassy Democratic

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Republic of the Congress
and why he made her overseas premier. He

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met her in DC at the state department
and she's over there as well. He was he

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was a western city. Okay. She's an
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my brother.

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» That's I know you're proud of that. in
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» Oh, yeah. I saw that.
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on the sky
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meeting tonight and she would be there

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probably have to come
have a short meeting. It might be a

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well he works he's in the Congo right
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» yeah he brought us
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something.
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said just because you're off the border
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they take a big My wife freezes them and
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some family that
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have a birthday, every time they have
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pull them out the freezer. Are they as
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microwave one after one day, it's not
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» right.
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meeting to order
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roll call? Yes, sir.
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um had a chance to look at the agenda
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agenda.
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» bring up one thing. The monthly
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to be airport capital improvement but
zoning airport.

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» Okay.
>> There's that one small change. Not that

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it it's not a voting issue. I just want
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» Okay. Yeah.
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» All in favor?
Any opposed? Thank you. Um, the minutes

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of the prior meeting were attached to
the email I think that we got.

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You all had a chance to review those. I
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» I see.
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» motion to approve the minutes. Second.
>> All in favor? Great. Approved.

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» Anything from the
No. No. No.

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We we have happy citizens today.
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» Good lunch.
>> Yeah, just keep the lunch menu good.

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» Okay, Paul, the uh airport zoning.
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well, I gave you a couple of
large handouts that are paintings off of

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our airport layout plan. those large
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» Yes.
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one that looks like a racetrack is our
airspace that uh you see that you can

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that's it's a little difficult on a page
that size but there's a topo underneath

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that. It gives you an idea of how far
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it's um 10,000 ft and then you go
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going to be looking at with our local um
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the countyy's willing to work with us

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because we know at some point in time um
you know our planners will move on

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something else either retirement or
whatever and it could be that we need

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something established
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because we know of all the growth that's
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got to find ways and right now we
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property right underneath our approach
up for sale. And then we also have a

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large business that's off in the that's
in the county that's right underneath

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our approach that we don't things seem
to be moving in a positive direction,

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but we don't know what that new
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that piece of property
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because that's they have a lot of
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Also, uh, more and more city council
regularly is somebody trying to build

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the neighborhood between here and the
bypass and so we've got to I make them

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aware all the time that there is going
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» no matter what.
>> And so that's just part of it. But they

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need but so we got to we need to the
only way that we really can protect the

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airport is through zone. The first being
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the airspace is height zoning height
zoning ordinances that we work with. Uh

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that way you're not necessarily
restricting because if you especially

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when you mention zoning in the county it
really goes squirly if the idea is just

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making sure that there isn't that they
have to go through a process. So

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everybody that puts tower over uh he
puts tower up period within that

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racetrack has to file with FAA.
Anything over certain elev anything over

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200 ft has to be lit no matter where
whether it's an issue or not. But also

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we have to we want to make sure that off
the end of the runway where it is most

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restrictive for us and most important
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allowing things over certain elevations,
certain heights. Uh, perfect example is

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one of our own tenants put a tower right
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that's right across the street to his
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here and he still put a tower there
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and it messed with our numbers on a
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» so does that not
come back under the FAA has to approve

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the height requirement? FA looks at it,
but there is no that doesn't mean they

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they can adjust and they can make
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doesn't say they're going to say no. It
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require it to be lit or something like
that. There's they they hope for us,

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they leave it up to the locals for
zoning and different things like that to

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now. They'll support you and back you
and give you the regulations that allow

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you to establish. And that's kind of
what FAA does. They say, "Here, you have

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the authority now to regulate the area
around there. You have the authority to

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be able to zone
uh and we'll back you the with the power

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of the federal government." Now, they're
not going to say no to somebody. They're

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going to say, "Yes, you are
construction. Yes, you need to light it.

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And we're going to inform the locals
where it is and give them the

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opportunity to to stop it." But they're
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But uh
the other is the other piece that we

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have you can see of um the land use plan
that's around there. You can that will

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also give you an idea of how big our
piece of property is that we have and

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we've been able to control most of our
approaches uh the runway protection zone

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and different things like that. you'll
the it's kind of hard to read, but I'm

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just giving you this as an example just
so eventually there will be a a bigger

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version once it's complete that
everybody will be able to see.

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But you can see to the south of them
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and there's only a small triangle that
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have not been able to acquire because of
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things that we thought we had and we
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looking for and never found one. But
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authority are know that thought that at
one point in time there was a land uh an

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navigation easement bought over that
that corner, but we can't find any

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example of it. So all I can figure is it
maybe was discussed in meeting at some

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point in time and never happened. It
probably never came to an agreement or

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something like that.
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recommended. that will probably come out
of this airport layout plan is that we

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do acquire a navigation easement over
that small piece of property so that at

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some point in time right now that it's
it's owned by a widow and

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[clears throat] at some point in time
she will somebody will finally give her

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enough money that she'll sell it right
now she still has a lot of sentimental

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value because her you know her husband
was out there every day working on it

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and so she'll hold on to it I'm sure as
long as she can at some point in time

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it'll be out there and with it right
there on 231 right next to TCAT and

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right next I mean it's going to be hard
for somebody to not to walk away from

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that piece of property. So the best
thing we could do it is currently in the

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county uh is to uh work with the county
to for proper zoning and all of 231 is

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going to be uh working through a zoning
process throughout the starting in uh

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beginning of the year especially are
really going to get a lot more focus and

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we're we're diligently working with the
the planning office to make sure you can

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be involved in that process. So, we want
to be able [snorts] to restrict around

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us, but we don't want to restrict
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» right?
>> But so far, we're able to uh we're zoned

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as industrial as far as the city's
concerned. So, we're we're able to do

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what we need to do, but we also want to
because what you want around your

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airports is um it's pretty much you want
to have your um commercial, you you try

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to leave it agriculture if you can,
that'd be great, but um you want to have

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your industrial.
And so that's a big part of what I

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encourage for around the airports is to
really push the even industrial more

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than commercial because they have uh
with commercial you start having some

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restrictions on the number of people
that can park things like that under

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your approaches and different things
like that. As a matter of fact um they

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even in under certain approaches they
don't want you to have even a park where

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people can gather in large groups. So
there are just different ways but

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industrial really works well because
they already their own noise. So it

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really works well with noise
compatibility. I encourage people when I

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in my previous life I said the best
thing you can do is buy is get storage

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units and put them around airports
because everybody wants storage units it

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seems like and that's the best place
because boxes don't complain. It's like

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this is what people say about wanting to
fly for FedEx and UPS. They said when

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they have a rough landing the boxes
don't complain.

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» Yeah. So they can that's why everybody
all those pilots want to end up being

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FedEx.
>> Let [clears throat] me see if I

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understand this. This pink right here is
what you're talking about.

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» That's our that's our runway protection
zone and that that is really u that is

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for protection of people on the ground.
>> We we do or do not own all of this.

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» There's a small corner you can see right
below your finger there right on the

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other side of 231. There's a small
little triangle right there that we do

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not own. that is uh across 231 right on
the other side.

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» Yeah, we don't own many.
>> Yeah.

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» But uh that would one that they'll
recommend and it will be stated on our

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airport layout plan recommended for
acquisition for a navigation easement.

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It won't be a fee simple. It will just
be just buying the air above it.

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» Air above it. And what that'll help do
if nothing else um it will help with

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control of putting in if somebody which
has already been approached before about

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putting in a traffic light and different
things in that around that area we will

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be able to help control that even more
to keep that from happening. Also um the

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fact of anybody that if somebody were to
buy it for commercial or industrial

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reasons they can't put a sign up that
would impede on us because we own the

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air rights above it and not hurt our
approaches.

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But
the biggest part of what we need to make

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sure through zoning in this area
is the incompatible land uses which is

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for for the most part for most airports.
For some reason airports seem to attract

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houses like you know bees and honey. I
don't know why it is but for some reason

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they really seem to attract airport uh
airports seem to attract houses and you

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can see that to the north big time. the
airport to the north is really

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constrained and can't do anything. Uh as
much as their population wants it, they

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can't do anything about it because
they've built houses all around that

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airport. And so here we've been able to
acquire a lot of it and so far we've

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been able to work well with that that
particular neighborhood, but that

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neighborhood is still is still county.
Um so that's the thing is we we have

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some odd shapes in this area as far as
city and county is concerned. We have to

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really work well with the county because
uh big chunks of our property line are

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up against the county.
>> Yeah.

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» And so, uh we hope to over the next um
six months working with the county,

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working with the city planners, things
of that nature, maybe a little bit

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longer than that, it just takes time to
uh plan through because really when you

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start talking zoning in the county, it
really gets people's attention.

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» You did mention about the urban grow
that's funed.

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» I haven't. Oh, that's great. That's
that's true. That's another thing that

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» Can you you explain the triangle that's
here to the one side of the 231 the

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semicircles that are on should we say
the east side of uh airport road? Can

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you explain that to us as well?
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One is for the V and that's been
established that was established quite

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some time ago and that was sort of
established from what I can gather as

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sort of a
sort of ina I mean they were memorandum

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agreement I mean that's sort of what
they've done with the Taylor property is

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um that large one with the V is
restrictions based on obstructions in

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metal mainly metal like putting
buildings up that's why you see the

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white fence over there things like that
so it doesn't impede on the navigation

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purpose of the VO. And so that is uh
that is something that's actually um

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they've been reminded of in this process
where they're talking about stopping the

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farming and doing something else to
remind [clears throat] them that they

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have that V there that causes a
restriction on that piece of property

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and they're very aware of it. Um now if
they sell it, I'm sure somebody that

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buys it will, you know, conveniently
forget that. But that will be one other

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thing that they I can't tell you because
I was not around when that was installed

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in the 70s where um if now the tailor's
own that property in the 70s. So I don't

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know if they made an agreement with FAA
at that time or not. I don't know. I

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don't have that information. The other
smaller one you see that's similar is

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AWS and that's our weather system. It's
a much smaller circle. The other one's

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500 foot. The other one's 100. So it's a
you go out 500 feet and make the large

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circle and then you go out 100 feet to
make the smaller circle for the AWAS.

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That again is that metal doesn't affect
it but it does it's affected by um

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percentage of of structure. So like
anything over certain distance out you

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can't grow anything grass can't be over
8 inches. I mean there's different

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things like that. And as you go out
taller it goes but then in turn you

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can't have any certain blockages. So
it's not like you can build something

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there. you can't um allow trees to grow
up or anything like that.

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» Those are what those built
>> those are what those circle represent as

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far as that's concerned.
>> Yeah, I think so.

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» Paula, I was just asking Lisa and I
thought that probably correct right in

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behind that triangle you're talking
about. There were 26 acres that uh we

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actually uh donated I think the county
and the city did out of our industrial

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park to someone that may come back to
the city uh over an industrial park

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besides
>> Yes.

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» Okay. So I don't know if that will ever
expand.

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uh we need to keep a breast of what you
need so that we don't let somebody else

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get that property if you need more
>> which is what yeah that's part of the

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reason why we're working with with Tom
on that as well so that u because as I

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mentioned at some point in time I
imagine she'll she'll be ready to sell

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and that'll that would just make too
much sense for somebody to be able to

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get to 231 from that back portion of the
>> yeah they cut a driveway in behind tcat

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for the access to that 26 acres but it
was a right turn only when they

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developed where when they were talking
about developing that but that 26 acres

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part of it's wet
>> got spring or something on it

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» helps me out and so does that creek the
creek helps me out there

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» what about other runways are is MTSU or
anybody else looking at another runway

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out here at the airport and do we need
to protect do we need to protect u even

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further
>> we do uh we do have a little you see a

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small drawing right there
>> and for the most part we've got most of

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that already. Now, there will be shown
on our airport layout plan to acquire

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some property fee simple. That's just
because we that's what we've tried to do

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in the past.
>> Okay.

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» And that's and and I've always bragged
uh of how the city has done that. That's

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the safest way to do is fe simple
purchasing

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» and that's where you have 100% control
over it. And that's what uh we'll be

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asking for on that far side. The only
piece that we don't have is right on the

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corner of airport on that bend on
airport road.

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» Yeah. um that she's her property is just
adjacent to the airport right there

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» right on that corner right over there.
>> Yeah.

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» And it just happens to be her her late
husband was a former employee here. So

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she's she's aware.
>> She knows that we want to get a hold of

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it at some point in time. And it just
makes sense and that'll protect the

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approach for uh a future VFR runway on
that side.

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» And we do have developments. I know from
planning commission we've had Dale Lane

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and Fairfield Pike and all of that area
down through there. And we've got folks

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that own that. They have already gotten
the permission from the planning

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commission.
>> And I and I've mentioned that before.

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That's the one I Yeah. Especially that
one on Fairfield, just right off

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Fairfield that I mentioned. That's going
to right.

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» I said you're going to have
>> airplanes at 200 feet at 200 feet off

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your not necessarily the
>> the smaller diamonds and things like

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that. You're not going to have those
guys are not they're going to be over

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your head, but they'll be up higher
because they've got a steeper approach,

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» but they're and they're not nearly as
noisy. and

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» we've kind of considered
>> takes off. Go hear him cuz those engines

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are a big difference in those engines
and

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» the others.
>> I'm just going to say I told you

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something.
>> So if I bought a house, let's say in

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that proposed subdivision
and the jet starts coming over 200 feet

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and I start complaining,
what happens?

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» You get tired of complaining.
>> Well, no, they don't. They don't get

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tired of it. There's no we have asked
the developer to put that in part of the

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» uh okay
>> you know when you make that purchase now

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whether they do that or not
>> I don't think the city comes back and

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checks every one of them when they when
they do something like that but we have

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asked the developers now you're on that
>> and so you need to let those folks know

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but uh
>> we've even tried to you know

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» we've all worked to try to get that
information out. Yeah. Yeah.

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» But it just becomes a political
>> stop it before it starts. Yeah. Yeah. As

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I as I was sitting in a meeting and Mr.
Chairman, I'm sorry. I was late sitting

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in a meeting with a lawyer who used to
practice in Los Angeles and he goes,

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"It's just too bad. You know, Los
Angeles just opens its checkbook and

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pays." And I'm like, "Well, Shelby, go.
It's not Los Angeles, California."

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» But, you know, LAX is probably one of
the most well-known examples of where

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they had to put money in.
>> Yeah.

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» To buildings and houses that were there
before. And I know one of those owners

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and how much money they had to spend
>> to

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soundproof some of those houses. But
that's Los Angeles, California and

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California law,
>> right?

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» Well, it not only protects the person
that buys it when it's new, the next

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person down the road, you know, that
that person get tired of it. I'm tired

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of this right here. I'm going to move.
And then

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» how close they are to the area.
>> If you've got it in that deed or deed of

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trust, you you've got it. Yeah. Yeah.
There's Murphy'sboro got a nice little

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subs right at the end. [laughter]
Every time I go by looks I wonder if

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anybody lived in houses yet. [laughter]
>> Yeah.

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So that was just the main thing just to
point out the fact that we will be um

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you'll hear that talked about quite a
bit when it comes to the urban growth

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and I know some of you guys are involved
in some of the uh you know the region as

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a whole, the county as a whole. So, some
of that will come up as far as being

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able to uh why is the county supporting
the city when it comes to that? Because

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sometimes they they don't necessarily
get along, but uh they know they know we

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are a utility for everyone, not just for
the city, right?

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» So, it's county planning and zoning,
city planning and zoning.

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» Okay.
>> So, they'll be working together. We need

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to work together.
>> Just so you all know, Bedford County as

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a whole being in all our communities
with it are reopening the discussion of

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looking at our urban growth boundaries.
We have to do that as a whole.

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» Yeah,
>> we did that first 20some years ago and

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it's about time under the law to take a
look at it. And I think there I think

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Chris is formally starting that in
March. Okay.

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» Right.
>> I didn't know Tom had told you. So we we

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all know that it's coming and so we
anticipate that the city's urban growth

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bound is probably going to get bigger.
>> So at the end of that yeah that's going

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to be bigger. So yeah they
>> yeah the sewer heading in that direction

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will make a difference too.
>> So we know we know that they will follow

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that. We just
>> I'll just be encouraging it to be

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industrial or indoor commercial versus
residential

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» around here.
>> Right.

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» Right. I mean, at some point in time, I
understand it's going to I'll have to

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give up, you know, I can't go out too
far.

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» As much as I can, I will. Yeah. Just
just because of those phone calls.

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» Okay.
>> Luckily, right now for the mayor, just

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since he's here, one of the ones that
calls regularly, she's in the county.

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» So, I said you could welcome call our
mayor.

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[laughter]

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[laughter]
>> Call your mayor, but

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» that's right.
She calling about noise.

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» Yes.
>> Was she there before or after the

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airport was built?
>> She claims that their family was there

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before the airport was built.
>> Mhm.

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» I can't uh I know she's not she wasn't
there. Unless she was she was an infant.

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But

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[snorts]
>> yeah, I haven't heard of anybody dumping

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fuel or anything like that. When we had
MTSU, when we were working through that,

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we had folks calling calling me and
saying, "They're dumping fuel over here

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on my property. They got low enough. I
saw it come out of the plane."

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[laughter]

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» I said, "I hope not."
>> As was explained when MTSU first came up

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about them traffic to that corner over
there. I She was

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» at that meeting and I explained to them,
>> yeah,

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» that's they're more concerned. There's a
lot more concerns than trying to look

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out the window at you at your place or
trying to be certain elevation over your

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house. It's amazing.
>> Yeah.

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» How she all of a sudden thinks that she
can tell exactly how tall how nice you

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are.
>> She says they're 100 foot over my house.

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I said, "Well, you know, they're they're
not because they would be scared to

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death if they were just 100 foot. They
got something wrong. They're 100 foot."

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» But hadn't heard anything in the last
year or two, I'm not getting any

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complaints.
>> We keep we keep recordings and based on

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Ginger's recommendation. She misses a
voicemail on occasions. Yeah, there's

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been some that are
>> entertaining.

425
00:31:01,919 --> 00:31:07,240
» So, Paul will stop before they get to
mate.

426
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,240
» Yes, [laughter] sir.

427
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:17,440
» That's I'll have somebody else got some
more has some more questions about

428
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:24,200
» go too far into it. [snorts] Zoning
until we go to old business and update

429
00:31:20,559 --> 00:31:24,200
rules and regulations.

430
00:31:44,799 --> 00:31:53,200
was um we did not print out a I did not
print out another rules and regulation,

431
00:31:50,399 --> 00:31:58,399
but some of you had you you received a a
copy of it. Um

432
00:31:56,080 --> 00:32:06,080
so the idea was hopefully that you could
read over and part of it is uh as

433
00:32:03,279 --> 00:32:10,760
I as I mentioned earlier to a few this
is something I'm in there

434
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:19,919
you know just because I there may be
some assumptions on my part that I don't

435
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:23,600
mean for there to be and so it really
needs to be able to that any any person

436
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:27,760
that sees the rules and regulations can
understand Yeah.

437
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:31,760
» And even if it's a brand new pilot,
most cases, rules and regulations are

438
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:35,919
written for pilots, but they also cover
anybody that's trying to uh have

439
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:38,480
aeronautical activity on the airport,
just like our minimum standards are

440
00:32:37,279 --> 00:32:42,159
written for anybody that has an
aeronautical service on the airport. So,

441
00:32:40,399 --> 00:32:47,919
it's an aeronautical activity and that
includes like your paragliders, that

442
00:32:44,559 --> 00:32:50,960
includes your in some cases even um you
know parachute jumpers and different

443
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:56,240
things of that nature. you've got other
things that they have to include and so

444
00:32:53,279 --> 00:33:00,399
not all those guys are or at least have
or carry a pilot's license or student

445
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:04,159
pilots license and so these have to be
written in Atlanta that can cover a lot

446
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:09,600
of them. So I was hoping that they get
some some guidance from you uh as far as

447
00:33:07,679 --> 00:33:15,120
some areas that you obvious that seem to
be obvious or other ones that maybe not

448
00:33:11,919 --> 00:33:20,080
so obvious. Uh some I already know that
will need to be updated. I I as

449
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:22,960
mentioned before I did ask uh at the
city at city hall if there was some

450
00:33:21,679 --> 00:33:27,200
certain any types of rules and
regulations that were established for

451
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:31,919
city buildings to make sure that we were
adhering some of the same situations.

452
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:37,440
this is a city facility to make sure and
surprisingly there's not uh there's

453
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:43,120
nothing in writing for like city hall
for example um as far as any type of

454
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:46,240
rules there might need to be but there's
not so I couldn't say I couldn't mimic

455
00:33:45,519 --> 00:33:49,519
any of those
>> yeah the closest thing that we would

456
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:54,399
have of course is we do rent out rooms
at the rec center but you know park and

457
00:33:52,399 --> 00:33:59,120
wreck is really the only thing that I
mean we're we're our own animal out here

458
00:33:56,799 --> 00:34:04,640
» yes I even own separate thing.
>> I asked about the reference stuff. You

459
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:09,200
know, I understand most people know now
there's no smoking in government

460
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:12,159
buildings and that's just known and so
they don't have any writing. But what

461
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:16,159
things that we mentioned here is how
close you can be to the building.

462
00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:18,800
» And I've seen it at city hall and I've
seen it here too where literally they're

463
00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:22,800
walking in the door and they're blowing
it out and flicking a cigarette as

464
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:27,440
they're stepping through the threshold.
Well, we're we we're trying to keep that

465
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:31,839
from happening here by putting a
restriction on it. Uh, one of the things

466
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:35,200
I did want to ask, you know, I was
thinking Kelly was here too, but at

467
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:42,480
least some of the the lawyers in the
room um and find out in reference to um

468
00:34:40,240 --> 00:34:44,639
smoking and vaping because I know vaping
is a big thing right now to the point

469
00:34:44,079 --> 00:34:48,159
that
>> are there

470
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:53,919
are they loading them together? Are they
not? How is it being looked at as far as

471
00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:58,320
that's concerned because of um in some
cases I think the restrictions are less

472
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:03,119
some are more I don't know or not more
I'm sorry but each two or

473
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:08,160
you know how that's looked at that's
just one I thought of on looking this as

474
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:10,880
far as trying to update [laughter]
>> I don't [clears throat] know

475
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:15,280
specifically but most of them that I've
seen it was pretty consistent like

476
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:18,720
vaping fell under the same rules as
smoking

477
00:35:17,119 --> 00:35:22,240
» indoors
So,

478
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:26,320
» well, we we've established and and this
or in here has been discussed in

479
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:31,920
reference to a distance away from the
building. We don't even hear to that

480
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:38,599
right now, but I just
um we so that's one of the areas that we

481
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:44,160
need to adjust and we do you feel that
[clears throat] that's

482
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:48,880
it's 50 ft or 150 ft. How do you feel is
I thought the law was there's a statute

483
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:50,480
that tells specifically how far you can
have to be.

484
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:53,599
» Yeah. If you go to Beth County
Courthouse, they have it on the on the

485
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,440
courthouse law. They tell you exactly
how far you have to be away from the

486
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,960
door.
>> Yeah.

487
00:35:55,760 --> 00:36:01,920
» And I forgot. I pass it all the time.
>> I was thinking it was 50 ft, too. It's

488
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,200
not that big of a
>> It was that

489
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:08,000
» it's not large.
>> It used to be when it was first

490
00:36:05,599 --> 00:36:10,960
instituted in state buildings. It was 50
ft when I worked for the state,

491
00:36:09,599 --> 00:36:15,119
» but I didn't know if that had been
changed or anything like that. And I

492
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:18,720
know here we had I think if I remember
correctly 150 ft

493
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:22,800
» or something to that effect. I
>> I think the state statute is 50 ft.

494
00:36:21,599 --> 00:36:27,359
» But we can look that up.
>> So we have to some of the things that

495
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:32,640
we'll need to do is uh rearrange an area
because we have people that wait outside

496
00:36:29,119 --> 00:36:36,079
and it's um we don't have really an area
undercover 50 ft out.

497
00:36:34,720 --> 00:36:42,400
» Yeah. Yeah, they're waiting right out
front and they'll have uh in the room or

498
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:46,560
something like that. And also our um
where we have disposal uh our cigarette

499
00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:49,040
butts are disposed of and things like
that. We don't have those far enough

500
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:53,920
away because they're right next they're
right up next to the building,

501
00:36:50,720 --> 00:36:59,359
» right? So, um, and as I mentioned
earlier to Gary, I said that I had

502
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:02,800
there's places in here about pets, and I
hadn't really paid any attention to

503
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:06,160
that. And so, now we've set up a a pet
waste area that we didn't have we didn't

504
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:09,520
have set up.
>> And you have to be careful with that.

505
00:37:08,990 --> 00:37:13,040
[snorts]
>> So, okay.

506
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:17,599
» I mean, yeah,
>> we have it just in the grass, which is

507
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:22,720
where the where the animals are going.
So, uh, they have now they have bags to

508
00:37:19,599 --> 00:37:26,000
be able to grab and remove their waste,
but before they didn't. And we sometimes

509
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,000
they would grab them, sometimes they
didn't.

510
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:31,760
» Right.
>> Um,

511
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:36,000
so if you know of anything ADA wise that
we've got in the rules and regulations

512
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:39,520
that are in conflict, please let me
know.

513
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:47,119
» Let me let me just ask a question and I
suspect I know the answer. Has it? Have

514
00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:52,880
y'all on the board read the uh rules and
regulations well enough to go through

515
00:37:50,079 --> 00:37:55,880
and or do we need more time to go back
and

516
00:37:58,079 --> 00:38:03,280
I would say we need more time to go
through

517
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:09,119
» and I think it'd be helpful Jinger if
you could look and read them as well

518
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:13,760
just from a legal point of view and then
be prepared next month to go through and

519
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:19,131
Actually,
>> I won't be here this month. Sorry.

520
00:38:17,111 --> 00:38:19,131
[clears throat]

521
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:25,440
» Sorry.
>> Okay.

522
00:38:24,720 --> 00:38:28,079
» In the one that
>> Yeah. May take that long.

523
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:34,240
» In the one that you had sent out talking
about smoking, it says within 50 ft of

524
00:38:31,119 --> 00:38:38,000
refueling in 20 ft of the building.
>> Obviously, we need to that needs to be

525
00:38:35,839 --> 00:38:44,160
changed.
It says no smoking is allowed within 20

526
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:52,400
ft of the entryways or within 50 ft of
fuel storage tanks or aircraft. Okay.

527
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:57,280
» But I might also say can we just talk
about that's rules and regulations but

528
00:38:54,640 --> 00:39:04,240
we also have minimum standard wage. So
if if perhaps if we could all spend some

529
00:39:00,240 --> 00:39:06,960
time over the next month or so and read
rules and regulations and minimum

530
00:39:06,079 --> 00:39:09,359
standards.
>> Yes.

531
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:17,040
» So we can have a discussion and then try
to put them into place

532
00:39:13,359 --> 00:39:21,839
» on both of those. Um, one of my areas
that I'm I'm not really sure what

533
00:39:19,839 --> 00:39:27,839
restrictions I have as far as the city
is concerned is how to enforce some of

534
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:32,720
these uh because there's one here.
I mean, it's pretty bad, but there's one

535
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:37,359
in reference to you wonder why it's in
here, but it's u no person shall use a

536
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:42,160
toilet or lavatory facility at the
airport other than where it's designed.

537
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:47,119
But we have people that do that
um because they're too lazy to walk up

538
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:51,280
from the fuel farm or too lazy to walk
past from a their anger or something

539
00:39:50,079 --> 00:39:56,480
like that.
>> Um how you know what can be if we say

540
00:39:55,119 --> 00:40:01,119
something to them? Yeah, we can try to
embarrass them, but what do you have any

541
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:06,400
what we can look at as far as keep in
mind what we can do to try to enforce

542
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:11,920
these and can there be something that
>> administrative enforcement? Yeah,

543
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:15,920
» we want to take that to court.
>> Oh, yeah. You need to take a a hard look

544
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:22,400
at that. Some of these issues might be
such that you'd want to

545
00:40:19,839 --> 00:40:26,880
truly find someone that you would take
it to municipal court, but of course

546
00:40:24,079 --> 00:40:31,040
that's got to be in the code in order to
do that, not just a

547
00:40:29,599 --> 00:40:36,160
» policy.
>> So, you'd have to be very specific about

548
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:40,000
that. Um,
I need to think hard about that.

549
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:44,160
» I guess that's one of the things that I
guess is

550
00:40:41,839 --> 00:40:48,400
finding out what we can do. Now, rules
and regulations, yes, they adhere to

551
00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:52,480
itinerate traffic, too. So, that's kind
of hard. So, if we have somebody that's

552
00:40:49,839 --> 00:40:56,160
just flying through and they stopped
just long enough to get fuel and they're

553
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:59,680
moving on somewhere else to another
state, may or may not be back. It's not

554
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:02,960
like we can tell them you can't come
back because you you did X,

555
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,920
» right?
>> Um

556
00:41:04,240 --> 00:41:12,800
» but
it's also hard to follow and try to

557
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:17,200
send them a sent
>> you get into those personal things

558
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:20,880
enforcement. We've got some ordinances
having trouble enforcing right now.

559
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:24,800
animals especially.
>> And that's again that's another thing

560
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:29,760
because is what we've discussed with
with minimum standards. Uh one

561
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:33,119
template [snorts] and different things
that I've looked at offers and

562
00:41:31,599 --> 00:41:38,960
recommends that your minimum standards
be put through as a potential ordinance.

563
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:42,079
» And that's one way you have to remember
that [clears throat]

564
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:47,440
» when we talk about municipal court and
so those of you that may not be aware

565
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:53,040
our municipal court is a true municipal
court. It is an appointed judge. He does

566
00:41:50,319 --> 00:41:57,520
not have the type of authority like your
general sessions judge. City of

567
00:41:54,560 --> 00:42:01,440
Murphusboro's city court, it has an
elected judge and has the same power as

568
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:06,480
a general sessions court. They can do a
whole lot of things. So when there is a

569
00:42:04,319 --> 00:42:10,880
quote violation of city law, meaning
just something that the city has passed

570
00:42:08,319 --> 00:42:16,960
by ordinance, it's in our municipal code
>> and you take that violation to

571
00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:22,319
city court. The authority in Tennessee
is our judge is limited to finding

572
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:25,760
someone up to $50 a day per violation.
Now, that's basically standard law,

573
00:42:24,319 --> 00:42:28,960
something that's going to go across the
the way.

574
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:35,359
» The way I would imagine you would do
this is this is someone that's operating

575
00:42:31,599 --> 00:42:40,560
by permission on the airport. You need
to tie that to basically rescending some

576
00:42:38,720 --> 00:42:45,760
of their
authority to operate here if they don't.

577
00:42:43,599 --> 00:42:50,400
It's basically a contract between the
two of you. This is not law per se that

578
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:55,440
applies to everybody in the city. This
is somebody that's operating here. And

579
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:59,280
really, I think the the threat, if you
want to say it, is if you keep doing

580
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:02,720
this, violating our rules and our
standards, you're not going to be out of

581
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:06,240
your business or whatever it is you're
doing here.

582
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:10,240
» In the meantime, though, how do you go
about kindly getting them to get to that

583
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:14,000
point?
>> Yeah. You know,

584
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:19,119
» I think that's a great point, uh, what
you're saying because rather than trying

585
00:43:16,240 --> 00:43:24,240
to go a legal route and all that stuff,
you just administratively we just warn

586
00:43:22,720 --> 00:43:26,880
them and say, "Please don't do that
again." And, right,

587
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:30,960
» you know, and then the second time you
warn them a little stronger and then you

588
00:43:29,359 --> 00:43:35,040
say, "Well, we're [snorts] to cancel
your lease on your the tea hanger."

589
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:38,400
» Yes. And I think we write that in, you
know, that it's a part of our leases.

590
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:41,920
It's already in there. If you will
continually violate our rules and

591
00:43:40,720 --> 00:43:44,160
regulations, we're going to consider
that a breach.

592
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:49,760
» Yes, it should.
>> And so that's part of the thing is is

593
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:53,680
all of our leases will need to be re
re-evaluated

594
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:56,560
and there could be and I I think that's
including the long-term leases on the

595
00:43:55,280 --> 00:44:03,359
ground as well.
>> Yeah. to properly um

596
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:08,720
reference these as exhibits to allow
them to be flexible and can change but

597
00:44:06,319 --> 00:44:14,240
» also enforceable in some form of fashion
like that by pulling your lease. Um

598
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:18,000
operating agreements I mean that
wouldn't be done without fair warning

599
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:23,200
due process warning you know
discontinued we consider it's it is of

600
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:24,960
such nature that we would
>> call your legal

601
00:44:24,319 --> 00:44:29,520
» yeah rules [clears throat] and
regulations they're pretty

602
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:31,680
stop it now kind of thing but as far as
minimum standards that might be a little

603
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:35,440
different
>> as you've seen later as we we'll discuss

604
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:39,520
later I know I'm kind of mixing old and
new business together but they kind of

605
00:44:37,359 --> 00:44:42,400
some of some of the legalities of them
work similar

606
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:47,200
But the minimum standards
>> as we'll discuss um those are some that

607
00:44:45,119 --> 00:44:52,640
you can establish a timeline saying
given them 30 days or 45 days or 60 days

608
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:56,560
whatever you're correct and if you don't
then

609
00:44:54,880 --> 00:45:01,440
XYZ
>> okay so we'll go through those next

610
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:02,960
» what's that
>> the

611
00:45:02,079 --> 00:45:04,880
» the rules and regulations
>> rules and regulations

612
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:11,200
» all right
>> they haven't got an old business a new

613
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:16,480
business now we'll go to standards.
>> All right. Um, you'll see that there was

614
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:21,280
there is a a print out for you that on
that our

615
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:24,240
friend Claude helped us out with a
little bit through through support from

616
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:31,920
our chairman.
>> Yes. So, let me let me tell you what

617
00:45:28,240 --> 00:45:35,920
flaws pretty good if if you're
very explicit what you're asking for.

618
00:45:34,720 --> 00:45:40,960
» They all are like that.
>> Yes. And so

619
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:47,040
I tried to do that. We tried to look at
the old versus examples of new other

620
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:53,359
airports and merge something together.
But there's a this decision memo. It

621
00:45:50,319 --> 00:45:59,839
kind of takes you through and kind of
gives you things to look at. But as you

622
00:45:56,240 --> 00:46:04,160
read the document, this will give you
hopefully some

623
00:46:01,839 --> 00:46:08,560
idea of
you know what's changed, what's not

624
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:13,760
changed. Absolutely. I am not suggesting
this is right, wrong, good or bad. Okay?

625
00:46:11,839 --> 00:46:19,599
I'm just saying there was a place to
start

626
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:24,079
» and I can I will also give you
have another template too that we can

627
00:46:21,599 --> 00:46:28,400
put together with that and it's and I
I'll send you I was uh going through and

628
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:33,839
editing those to because it was a
generic template and I took from another

629
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:36,880
state and you don't there's no reason to
reinvent the wheel especially if they

630
00:46:35,119 --> 00:46:41,119
thought about it because there are so
many different aeronautical activities

631
00:46:39,119 --> 00:46:44,960
and aeronautical services I should say.
>> Yes. So I guess that's a way to

632
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:49,599
distinguish between the two minimum
standards are really decided and set up

633
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:55,200
for aeronautical
um services

634
00:46:52,000 --> 00:47:00,079
» and a lot of the minimum standards
as Paul to actually go through a lot of

635
00:46:58,079 --> 00:47:02,400
these decisions he needs to tell us what
he recommends what should he that's

636
00:47:01,599 --> 00:47:07,599
exactly
>> and do that for us to then go through

637
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:10,160
and review and approve
and

638
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:15,200
» one of the things and I did like I said
um before my staff that don't carry a

639
00:47:13,359 --> 00:47:19,359
badge and a gun. So, how do you enforce
some of these and what are

640
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:23,520
» what does it make sense? You can put
them in there, but if you know that

641
00:47:21,599 --> 00:47:29,280
that's going to just cause a a riff or
cause a problem, then you're constantly

642
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:35,280
going to be, you know, uh saying please
or don't do that again or whatever. I

643
00:47:31,839 --> 00:47:38,880
mean, it's so
>> as an example, can you give us an

644
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:43,280
example, too? [clears throat]
Um,

645
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:46,880
one of the things that most all the
minimum standards have in common for

646
00:47:45,119 --> 00:47:54,560
aeronautical services is that you
establish a um

647
00:47:52,079 --> 00:47:58,480
hours that you're open or x number of
employees or days that you're open,

648
00:47:55,920 --> 00:48:03,920
things of that nature. And if you have
people that are closing up shop early on

649
00:48:01,839 --> 00:48:07,839
a regular basis or not providing that
service that you that they've stated

650
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:14,160
they're going to uh that would be one
that that you would that could easily be

651
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:17,040
one that they find that you know we
don't have any especially for like a

652
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:22,160
flight school for example we don't have
anything flying because the weather's

653
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:24,960
bad in day or we don't have um anything
on the schedule so we're not here. So

654
00:48:23,839 --> 00:48:29,520
there's just different things like that
that if you establish those which

655
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:34,800
upfront if you establish a minimum
standard with them

656
00:48:31,839 --> 00:48:40,839
um that's the thing you make it so
minimum that somebody that's full force

657
00:48:44,559 --> 00:48:50,079
in other words I'm paying somebody to be
here

658
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:53,839
» five days a week
>> or seven days a week whatever the

659
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:57,520
scenario is and then somebody just comes
onto the ramp and decides to do flight

660
00:48:55,760 --> 00:49:03,280
school to be a flight school off the
ramp. Um they come and go when they want

661
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:08,240
to, but that doesn't and then you start
trying to enforce it or trying to stop

662
00:49:06,559 --> 00:49:14,079
it and different things of that nature.
It it starts becoming a little a little

663
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:19,119
hairy in some cases just because
>> and I've had it before for example on a

664
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:24,400
maintenance shop. Uh the previous owner
was quite vocal if you recall of Mac Air

665
00:49:22,559 --> 00:49:28,160
and when people would come in and try to
do stuff on the ramp that for themselves

666
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:32,800
or try to do stuff in their hangers for
themselves that were above and beyond

667
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:36,079
and he was basically saying why you're
telling me I got to carry you know

668
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:39,920
million dollars worth of insurance and
he's got none

669
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:44,960
and things like that you know and so
there's a cost for me to have it. So,

670
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:50,000
some of those same type of things as far
as on those minimum standards.

671
00:49:48,079 --> 00:49:55,280
Um,
making sure they're properly

672
00:49:51,119 --> 00:49:58,640
established, but also not. So,
what do you put the minimum I guess is

673
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:01,440
also does that make sense? My qu I know
I'm kind of talking around and around,

674
00:50:00,079 --> 00:50:07,359
but because I've read it so much, it's
hard to stay quite square on it. But I

675
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:13,520
want things to be nice here, but also
it's still we got to think about it as a

676
00:50:08,720 --> 00:50:17,119
community type general aviation airport.
You got to make it business. You want

677
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:19,839
you want it friendly for your
businesses.

678
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:24,160
» And if you get into a situation where
you need the Shelby Police Department or

679
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:30,880
emergency services or whatever, this is
this is Shelbyville property. So,

680
00:50:28,720 --> 00:50:35,040
but
like you say, you have to kind of handle

681
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:39,079
it. [clears throat] Yeah.
>> Yeah.

682
00:50:36,079 --> 00:50:39,079
» Yeah.

683
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:49,640
So, one of the things for the minimum
standards is trying to

684
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:49,640
um

685
00:50:50,079 --> 00:50:57,040
establish all the different types of
aeronautical services. And uh one

686
00:50:54,880 --> 00:51:02,559
particular template I have basically
breaks it down to about 15 areas that

687
00:51:00,559 --> 00:51:08,079
need to be looked at and adopted and
particularly critiqued

688
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:13,200
for 15 general areas of of activity.
Um,

689
00:51:10,240 --> 00:51:19,319
some go into more some some try to
broaden them into different groups if

690
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:19,319
you can. Um,

691
00:51:24,240 --> 00:51:30,480
so it just depends on how
guess how detailed we want to get into

692
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:34,160
the minimum finishes too.
>> I think you need to give us a

693
00:51:31,599 --> 00:51:38,800
recommendation.
Okay,

694
00:51:36,240 --> 00:51:42,825
I can I can do that and get it paid more
than we are.

695
00:51:40,805 --> 00:51:42,825
[laughter]

696
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:49,200
» You know, a
>> just a little bit, huh? [laughter]

697
00:51:47,119 --> 00:51:55,280
» Or
copy of our current standards [snorts]

698
00:51:52,079 --> 00:51:57,920
with a redlinined version of what you're
recommending?

699
00:51:56,160 --> 00:52:01,280
» Well, that's that's mentioned before
that that's our problem is our minimum

700
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:05,280
standards. We don't have a freestanding
document. the minimum standards for

701
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:13,000
aeronautical services have been
incorporated into their leases. So every

702
00:52:09,599 --> 00:52:13,000
one of them

703
00:52:13,839 --> 00:52:20,119
out those are just rules and they didn't
have the minimum standards with them.

704
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:27,880
» I think I sent you after the the last
fear board meeting board. Sorry

705
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:37,200
» which one you sent. Um I we currently
have rules and regulations I'm aware and

706
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:38,800
I had sent that out to you after the
last meeting.

707
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:42,559
» Yes, I got that.
>> So those are our current we do have

708
00:52:40,319 --> 00:52:47,280
rules and regulations and I thought we
had minimum standards maybe referenced

709
00:52:45,119 --> 00:52:51,280
in that or included in that. It does
not. You've got uh rules and regulations

710
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:58,720
executed and then you've got lease
amendment final uh final clean copy of

711
00:52:54,640 --> 00:53:04,480
new lease hanger six macare lease um mac
uh 8 and 10 lease and consent sub lease.

712
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:09,119
» So the rules and regulations don't have
minimum standards set in them.

713
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:14,960
» No, there's two separate documents. M
okay cuz if you want to one's

714
00:53:12,559 --> 00:53:19,359
guess you could say one regulates it's
more for activity and one is for

715
00:53:16,720 --> 00:53:23,040
services but your rules and regulations
are for everybody that are doing

716
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:28,000
aeronautical activity on the air your
minimum standards are for those that are

717
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:32,559
providing a service and so in some cases
you can look at it that um that's why

718
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:36,720
the minimum standards in a lot of cases
need to be pretty strong because it's

719
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:40,000
going to be a black eye on the airport
if somebody's not providing the proper

720
00:53:38,319 --> 00:53:43,119
kind of service are providing for
service.

721
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:46,960
» So I get what you're saying. You they
have just been included inside their

722
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:49,920
leases individually.
>> Okay.

723
00:53:47,839 --> 00:53:55,599
» And they're all different.
>> They may all be different until we

724
00:53:52,160 --> 00:54:00,160
consolidate at least on our land leases.
I think they all have the same.

725
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:07,119
» Yes. Majority. Yes. As far as the
long-term land leases. Yes. Is the U

726
00:54:04,079 --> 00:54:11,920
section 3.1.3
talking about fuel storage facility?

727
00:54:09,359 --> 00:54:15,680
Will that change with MTSU? I mean, will
you have to have more fuel storage,

728
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:18,640
larger tanks or anything like that? It
kind of gives you a design of what

729
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:25,359
they've got there.
>> Yep. Um

730
00:54:21,119 --> 00:54:31,920
what we have um there is right now one
lease at this airport that allows for

731
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:39,119
their own fuel
and that uh that is the Kings Kings

732
00:54:36,079 --> 00:54:43,520
lease. Um other than that we tried to
avoid that capability avoid that and I

733
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:47,920
know in in in this particular situation
with with with Doug now it could change

734
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:52,400
in the future when I retire Doug
retires. whatever, they might think of

735
00:54:50,559 --> 00:54:53,760
something different, but right now MTSU
doesn't want the headache.

736
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:56,079
» Yeah.
>> Same thing for King.

737
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:58,480
» King,
>> even though he's got it in there and

738
00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:02,800
he's threatened it before and he's in
the fuel business and so he knows what

739
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:10,640
it's going to take to do it and he
doesn't want to get into that because of

740
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:15,040
So, um, it's never been an issue. Uh but
that's and that's one of the things uh

741
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:21,040
we probably need to find out is if we
can remove that

742
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:26,480
and not have it.
>> Okay. Thank you.

743
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:30,640
But you can again you just make it
flexible enough that if for some reason

744
00:55:28,720 --> 00:55:34,559
the city decided at some point in time
that they no longer wanted to be a full

745
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:39,599
service FBO because somebody else came
in and offered you know to to do that at

746
00:55:38,079 --> 00:55:43,599
something that was advantage of the
airport because at some point in time we

747
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:47,280
will get beat enough and enough activity
here that we've already been there's

748
00:55:45,839 --> 00:55:51,920
we've already had two people come take a
look at us that wanted to do something

749
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:55,040
more. Um, and so we've had others that
I'm sure will be back. Those two will be

750
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:56,799
back at some point in time when the
numbers finally get where they want them

751
00:55:56,240 --> 00:55:58,640
to be.
>> Okay.

752
00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:03,160
» And they'll be trying to entice the city
to turn it over to them.

753
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:03,160
» Yeah.

754
00:56:10,079 --> 00:56:17,520
» The other thing is that the minimum
standards and rules and regulations that

755
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:22,240
have to be consistent across two
documents.

756
00:56:18,799 --> 00:56:27,839
have to run that system.
>> Yes. And then like as mentioned, I can't

757
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:30,640
recall, but is
then we would have to go back through

758
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:36,480
and not only adjust our short-term
leases, but all of our leases in some

759
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:40,319
firm fashion confirm and and add bring
those leases back in front of the

760
00:56:38,319 --> 00:56:46,400
authority through
amendments that address these particular

761
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:50,559
documents to keep them as exhibits that
can be changed. And Jinger, is that

762
00:56:48,079 --> 00:56:54,319
something we can do or Well, I guess we
can try.

763
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:58,880
» We can try. It It depends on I mean, I
don't remember how many old old leases

764
00:56:56,880 --> 00:57:02,000
we had out.
>> The older ones the one I'm the most

765
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:06,799
concerned about because they're very
simple. I know that that some of them

766
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:10,880
have definitely referenced you must
follow standards.

767
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:14,000
» There are some leases that say that.
>> So, I'm not worried about changing the

768
00:57:12,319 --> 00:57:18,319
standards. Okay. Pretty sure it says in
there as as

769
00:57:15,839 --> 00:57:23,119
» you know as they evolve over time. I
just don't know exactly how many. I mean

770
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:28,559
we we need to inventory. Yeah.
>> Understand what each lease has. Some of

771
00:57:25,119 --> 00:57:31,760
them are so old.
>> Do you think the leases were referring

772
00:57:30,079 --> 00:57:34,960
to the rules and regulations and the
minimum standards as one document or two

773
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:41,599
documents?
>> I don't recall. most all airports

774
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:46,319
they're supposed to be two separate
documents but um but I I know that a lot

775
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:49,839
of them reference our rules and
regulations but do not reference minimum

776
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:54,079
payments on some of the leases that we
have and I can't recall which one

777
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:58,559
because I've seen too many not sticking
in my brain now

778
00:57:56,480 --> 00:58:02,400
» probably may have been references too I
don't know I'll have to go back go by

779
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:04,640
look and look and read see what this
says

780
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:09,599
» so so is there any way you can put a
catchall statement in the minimum

781
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:14,960
standards that say any leases that don't
refer to adhering to the minimum

782
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:21,119
standards shall adhere to the minimum
standards.

783
00:58:17,599 --> 00:58:24,319
» I mean we can but we the it has to be it
needs to get in the lease. The lease is

784
00:58:22,559 --> 00:58:28,559
where that language needs to be
>> in the books. Yeah.

785
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:32,640
» And that is one that I want to bring out
is one of the air, one of the things

786
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:36,880
that is recommended in the minimum
standards that I've looked through is

787
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:42,079
that you establish a lease with anybody
that does a service here has a lease

788
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:44,640
with you for x amount of square foot.
And in some cases, it could be if

789
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:48,480
they're just going to operate off the
ramp, it could be that you're renting

790
00:58:46,559 --> 00:58:52,640
them a square footage of that particular
airplane. But the idea is that you have

791
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:56,880
a a lease with them. And that is one
thing you can I guess in turn hold

792
00:58:54,559 --> 00:58:59,119
hostage. So that it is on those leases
and you can and that was definitely a

793
00:58:58,799 --> 00:59:02,319
way
>> or operating agreement.

794
00:59:00,319 --> 00:59:06,000
» Yeah, an operating agreement and you can
definitely put those minimum and say

795
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:10,880
reference those minimum standards big
time in that to

796
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:15,040
» those also
is minimum standards for aeronautical

797
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:19,760
activities and minimum standards for
aeronautical services synonymous. That's

798
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:24,480
on the agenda. We're talking about
services. the handouts. Will you have

799
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:31,200
activities?
>> It really needs to be services

800
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:36,240
because activities can uh that's really
would be the rules and regulations in

801
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:41,599
most cases because um just because the
activities somebody wants to come out

802
00:59:38,079 --> 00:59:44,799
here and do um paragliding that's his
own thing. It's not like he's now if he

803
00:59:43,119 --> 00:59:48,240
wanted to come out here and instruct
then that's a service

804
00:59:46,319 --> 00:59:50,880
» and so there is a difference but if he's
just want to do it for himself come out

805
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:55,359
here at 6 o'clock in the morning go fly
around the city to take a look and then

806
00:59:53,040 --> 01:00:00,000
come back and then he leaves that's
that's an activity

807
00:59:57,359 --> 01:00:02,640
there is a difference so I look at it as
>> activities would go under rules and

808
01:00:01,359 --> 01:00:06,400
regulations [snorts]
>> yes

809
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:10,400
» so this document here would be
>> the header would be changed to services

810
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:15,280
» yes
I'm saying just apply to people of

811
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:16,480
operating businesses. That's what you're
saying.

812
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:20,720
» Yes.
>> Yeah. Gotcha. You're just trying to do

813
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:26,240
here are basically if you're going to
operate at the city, operate a business

814
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:31,839
on city property. Here is the minimum we
require you to do. That's what that

815
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:36,880
that's that is. Everything else should
be rules and regulations. Yes. Yes, I

816
01:00:34,079 --> 01:00:42,000
mean there could be one document but
>> so that's one of the things you have to

817
01:00:38,319 --> 01:00:46,640
confirm if the the biggest part of it is
um the minimum standards also help with

818
01:00:45,119 --> 01:00:52,319
the grant insurancees that state that
you're going to have things can be fair

819
01:00:48,720 --> 01:01:00,480
and equal so that you have you requiring
the proper insuranceances for everybody

820
01:00:55,440 --> 01:01:05,359
um that and then there is um one of the
things I there's a little bit more I

821
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:08,960
need to look as far as permits and
things of that nature if there are any

822
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:13,920
any permits
that if they're here adhere to if

823
01:01:11,119 --> 01:01:18,480
somebody wants to service here on the
field. I don't I've not been told of

824
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:22,240
any.
>> Say that again. What do you mean?

825
01:01:19,839 --> 01:01:25,440
» Permit or anything that do we have to do
we need to make sure that we reference

826
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:30,319
it in the minimum standards that we have
on file their business tax license or

827
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:34,480
how is it supposed to or is there a
permit to

828
01:01:31,839 --> 01:01:41,040
» somebody that's been called out to work
on a plane. Is that what you're saying?

829
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:44,799
» Any Yeah. So that if you're providing a
something that would have a tax that

830
01:01:43,119 --> 01:01:49,920
it's not that's going to go to the
proper location versus going back to

831
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:55,520
wherever they're based. That makes
sense.

832
01:01:52,640 --> 01:02:03,480
» We would we dealt with him
some time ago. I thought

833
01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:03,480
I somebody was called out having

834
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:07,079
a long time.

835
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:15,760
Okay, that's something else.
>> Okay, so if you can get all of this

836
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:19,280
stuff to us, everybody
>> and then we'll try to get it reviewed

837
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:23,480
and
go through. Okay,

838
01:02:25,359 --> 01:02:39,200
great. Anything else on that?
We come to the favor agenda topic.

839
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:42,418
You need electric for a big illustrious
kill. [laughter]

840
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:56,160
» And this is
well Lisa is aware of how all this works

841
01:02:55,359 --> 01:03:03,440
for
>> well for the vice chairman um you would

842
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:08,799
be completing Mr. Larson's term. So um
until January is that when we do it

843
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:12,400
January or we do it in July January.
>> So you would be completing his term

844
01:03:10,319 --> 01:03:17,680
until January and then we would have
elections at that time. So I would call

845
01:03:15,359 --> 01:03:20,480
for a nomination for someone for vice
chair.

846
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:23,683
» All right. Mr. Cruz since he's a lot of
servant. [laughter]

847
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:35,039
» Any other nominations?
Any other nominations?

848
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:38,960
Okay. Uh all in favor for Mr. Cruz being
uh the vice chair say I.

849
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:42,480
» All opposed. [snorts]
>> Congratulations until January.

850
01:03:41,314 --> 01:03:47,760
[laughter]
>> Okay. I tell you I'm not

851
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:54,079
» you right.
>> Okay. Congratulations.

852
01:03:51,119 --> 01:03:57,599
» Um construction update.
>> Okay. Well, I might ask the gentleman in

853
01:03:56,160 --> 01:04:02,160
the corner for one thing and see if he's
got anything from his side and I'll I'll

854
01:04:00,079 --> 01:04:04,799
get what I'll start filling in after
you.

855
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:09,039
» Sure. So, on our project, I actually
just came from the construction monthly

856
01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:12,000
construction meeting this morning. It's
been over a month since I walked the

857
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:17,200
site. So, it was nice to see the
progress. We're about 90% framed out on

858
01:04:14,799 --> 01:04:22,480
the first floor of the flight ops
building and probably 30 to 40% framed

859
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:26,079
out on the second story. Um in the
hanger floor they're finishing up the

860
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:32,960
tubing for the heated floor and and
expect to start pulling slab next week

861
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:38,480
and also on the apron um space aircraft
parking gate video to start asphalt next

862
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:42,480
week. So
>> things are things are of course this is

863
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:45,920
part of the project that you see all the
progress happen right and it then it

864
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:48,480
looks like nothing happens but it it is
really great to see it. I apologize. I'm

865
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:52,000
going
>> I'm not gonna say that we don't have any

866
01:04:49,839 --> 01:04:55,329
big hurdles right now, but so I don't
jinx it, but we don't have any big

867
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:59,039
hurdles right now.
[laughter]

868
01:04:57,119 --> 01:05:01,920
» John, you got anything to add from
Carl's perspective? I see you guys

869
01:05:00,559 --> 01:05:05,280
having to dig up some spots. You keep
filling in and then digging back up and

870
01:05:03,599 --> 01:05:08,960
fill it in and dig it back up.
>> I think they're they're doing one more

871
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:14,960
water line, but I I think we're going to
be done in week or two probably.

872
01:05:12,079 --> 01:05:20,400
» Okay.
Um, unfortunately on our side of things

873
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:24,640
for the big projects with curl, as a
matter of fact, on our side, we're still

874
01:05:22,079 --> 01:05:30,720
in a holding pattern. The state and the
federal government have us just sitting

875
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:36,240
here. Um, we call regularly, knock on
their door regularly, but it's

876
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:39,760
they just kind of ignore us now.
>> Um, so we're just waiting. We've

877
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:43,760
provided them all the information.
actually in more than a few cases we

878
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:48,319
provided it like three and four times
the exact same information to different

879
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:53,599
people and sometimes to the same people
which is so um we're just hoping

880
01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:56,720
Colonel's going to be nice to us and
doesn't

881
01:05:55,200 --> 01:06:01,280
they don't change their mind when it
comes time to finally get it taken care

882
01:05:58,319 --> 01:06:07,440
of and um they can move on it quickly we
hope um the other construction we've had

883
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:13,359
that you might have seen as you've come
by uh two different things happened

884
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:18,720
here. One, we had a a waterline issue at
at Patriot and so there was a lot of

885
01:06:16,319 --> 01:06:22,960
equipment you probably saw out here and
we had three buildings without water for

886
01:06:20,319 --> 01:06:27,680
a while until we can get that found. Uh
it cost us about luckily the labor

887
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:33,440
public works is not going to charge us
for the labor, but u was nice enough to

888
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:39,680
charge us about $16,000 worth of water
without telling us that we had an issue.

889
01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:43,599
Um, but we're going to try to work with
>> Yeah. We had two

890
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:47,680
» three months worth of
>> overages and they had and we we found it

891
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:49,920
at the city.
>> Yeah.

892
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:53,520
» And work through the process, but we're
going to

893
01:06:51,839 --> 01:06:56,960
our city treasur is going to work with
us and try to work with each side to try

894
01:06:55,200 --> 01:07:01,760
to get some of that back.
>> Um, but they would have just kept going,

895
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:10,640
I'm sure, as long as they keep charging
us. Uh but we'll have to u when we redo

896
01:07:07,039 --> 01:07:15,520
the driveway over here after the plane
for we'll be having to redo this

897
01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:20,319
driveway over here for uh fireh hall 3
because we've had to tear that up twice.

898
01:07:18,319 --> 01:07:25,839
Um right now they're able to utilize and
they do utilize our ramp but uh they can

899
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:30,640
cross that but it's not it's not nice
and so it will wear and pop loose and so

900
01:07:28,799 --> 01:07:34,559
they did replace all the piping through
there. Uh they found some old stuff that

901
01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:40,720
had just been abandoned in place. They
did remove that. Um the other you saw

902
01:07:39,039 --> 01:07:44,960
that we were kind of surprised about was
a fiber optic cable that came in from

903
01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:51,920
United
um that was brought in for we're not

904
01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:54,720
even really sure who who instigated it.
Uh they picked probably one of the

905
01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:58,160
hardest places. There might have been
one other place that was harder to put

906
01:07:56,319 --> 01:08:04,079
in that would have been hard to put in a
conduit for fiber optic.

907
01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:09,599
And they in turn only cut they cut one
line for AT&T. So they'll have to pay

908
01:08:06,559 --> 01:08:13,440
for that. But it does feed those other
hangers in Mac Air and some other. So we

909
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:18,000
do have fiber optic cable coming from
231 to the north area of the airport.

910
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:22,480
That's the only place that has it
because we we had it laid out for here

911
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:28,239
but the water line at GSU took our money
because we were fiber optics for

912
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:32,159
» the rest of the infield. Um,
and with that, I don't Was there any

913
01:08:29,839 --> 01:08:38,640
update on that? As far as I know, Tomcat
is no longer involved. They're rerouting

914
01:08:35,279 --> 01:08:42,640
the water line. And I think Carl, will
you take John, were you guys taking care

915
01:08:40,319 --> 01:08:45,120
of that water line and gas line, you
know,

916
01:08:44,159 --> 01:08:48,640
at the front?
>> I should check on that.

917
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:52,000
» It seems like they because they they're
changing that the way it was laid out.

918
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:56,159
So, they was going they were stepping
back as far as

919
01:08:54,480 --> 01:09:01,839
» the utilities.
that uh MTSU entrance parking lot

920
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:05,679
» I don't have
>> uh

921
01:09:03,359 --> 01:09:10,480
» I was trying to remember there was
>> if you don't have it don't worry

922
01:09:08,480 --> 01:09:14,719
» um
the taxi way you'll see you might you

923
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:17,839
not see because you're not
>> you're not taxiing by

924
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:22,000
» but they have laid out and they are
starting the electrical work not the not

925
01:09:20,159 --> 01:09:25,679
the asphalt work I imagine that'll come
in later I'm not sure when you guys are

926
01:09:23,759 --> 01:09:31,199
doing that taxially aren't Correct.
>> Um, so now they're going to be laying

927
01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:36,719
out the the they'll be cutting into our
runway lights and our taxiway lights.

928
01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:40,159
Mainly our taxiway lights. We can run
them separate. We will be running them

929
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:45,040
separately, but the first step is to run
the wires for the the lights. They got

930
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:48,480
it staked out and they should be doing
that in the next 30 days or less.

931
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:52,319
They've actually talked to me like
they're trying to get it done like this

932
01:09:50,319 --> 01:09:56,000
week or next. They hope to be able to
get the wiring and the conduits for the

933
01:09:53,759 --> 01:10:00,000
wiring for the lights. Uh they're
they're experiencing some of the same

934
01:09:57,440 --> 01:10:02,640
problems any airport does. Uh the light
people don't really pay much attention

935
01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:06,320
to you unless you're doing an entire
airport. If you just want a small

936
01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:10,159
quantity, they're looking at I think
they're doing eight or 10 12 something

937
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:14,880
like that. They don't really pay much
attention to. So you're at their mercy

938
01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:18,880
until they deliver them.
>> Okay. So that's what they're So think

939
01:10:17,440 --> 01:10:21,440
that's the majority of what we got going
on right now. Hopefully at some point in

940
01:10:20,159 --> 01:10:24,640
time this list will be a whole lot
longer than you guys as far as

941
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:31,640
instruction.
>> Okay.

942
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:31,640
» Good report. Anything else?

943
01:10:32,159 --> 01:10:40,573
» I believe we will.
>> Thank everybody for serving. We

944
01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:40,573
appreciate it. [clears throat]

945
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:54,679
» We'll see next month. You'll see.
>> Do we need to take off from the mayor?

946
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:54,679
» Do we need to take an offer from the

947
01:10:57,549 --> 01:10:59,569
[laughter]

948
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:06,440
» probably summary of just anything you
see from

949
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:13,920
anything else?
>> Sure.

950
01:11:10,239 --> 01:11:21,320
» I'll try to do I'll be able to look at
what their minimum standards are.

951
01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:21,320
Ron Miller.

952
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:48,960
» That's not good.
>> May I had to leave early last time?

953
01:11:46,159 --> 01:11:48,960
Egypt would