[0:11] She wrote
>> Dolly wrote it. She
[0:15] » No, this would have been
[0:19] » And I don't know how you write it in
three days.
[0:25] » That's a talent that I don't have.
[laughter]
[0:32] says
better.
[0:36] » I think he's
>> he move around some
[0:40] » he doesn't
>> because he give up. He quit.
[0:45] » Oh, I know.
>> He quit.
[0:49] » [clears throat]
>> So I looked back at
[1:00] » fix anything at the condo. So
you know being in there fix anything
[1:08] be right there.
>> Oh yeah.
[1:10] » Yeah.
[1:13] Your daughter.
It's great to have her up there.
[1:18] » Looking forward to that trip. I may
actually go Saturday.
[1:25] » I'll go just about
[1:31] » see the screen.
>> We haven't seen I haven't seen
[1:35] » what color
that
[1:40] over there.
>> Oh yeah.
[1:45] Hey, you're trying to fill in all these
holes.
[1:48] » I had two guys.
>> Sorry about that. But any [laughter]
[2:05] » You got the brethren right there.
>> Season ticket holder to Knoxville and to
[2:13] Navy. Yeah, I think
>> that's impressive.
[2:17] » Get [snorts] to many go many Navy games.
>> Uh, we're going to at least one this
[2:20] year
in October. My son's on a ship in
[2:25] Norfol. So,
>> meet us up there maybe.
[2:28] » And Army Navy. Got tickets for that.
Hadn't decided if I'm going to New York
[2:32] or not yet. I don't know.
[2:40] » Coach Raph's done a really good job.
She's a good lady. Of course, she, you
[2:44] know, she trained on.
>> Yeah. So she's she's
[2:51] » and I think their athletic director
[3:03] » recogniz
[3:11] she was on the court at the same time.
[3:17] Okay.
[3:28] Mor.
>> How you doing, Cat? I'm doing well.
[3:32] » How are you?
>> I'm good. Good. Hey. Hello, Jim. Mayor,
[3:36] » how are you doing? Good to see you.
Brian,
[3:38] » how you doing?
>> How you doing, bud? Good.
[3:40] » Hey, guys. How are y'all?
behind
[3:45] you.
[3:48] » You going to get the lunch?
>> I'll get it probably later if I
[3:54] » If I don't, I'm fine.
>> I'll fall off to nothing.
[3:59] » I won't [laughter] recognize you next
time.
[4:01] » It'll hurt.
[4:04] » You're [laughter] probably right. You're
probably right.
[4:10] » Excuse me.
[4:16] Boys doing good.
>> Doing good. Yeah, you know, we got one
[4:18] married off in May.
[4:26] » Tim likes going and then the oldest one
has been on F. Kennedy and they've been
[4:30] out to see a couple times
[4:34] it from there.
>> He's a good driver.
[4:37] » Is he Apollo?
>> No, he's a surface new truck. He's down.
[4:44] » He's the
>> He's a little larger than a Saratog.
[4:46] » Just a little.
>> Yeah, [laughter]
[4:49] he's the reactor control assistant or
something like that.
[4:55] » He like it.
>> Yeah, he's not like too much, but he
[4:59] likes the job.
>> It's just long
[5:04] dream.
>> Your son married.
[5:08] » He's working for the state department.
uh at the he's at the embassy Democratic
[5:12] Republic of the Congress
and why he made her overseas premier. He
[5:17] met her in DC at the state department
and she's over there as well. He was he
[5:21] was a western city. Okay. She's an
Africa
[5:31] » the whole world covered there just about
my brother.
[5:34] » That's I know you're proud of that. in
front of both. Yep.
[5:36] » Yeah.
[5:42] » Oh, yeah. I saw that.
>> I think
[5:46] Oh, yeah. So, if something happened,
[5:59] » well, he went to Germany two weeks ago.
[6:08] about week
[6:14] on the sky
and drink the water
[6:19] meeting tonight and she would be there
[6:27] probably have to come
have a short meeting. It might be a
[6:31] little
[6:34] » he might go before her tell us about
they
[6:40] [laughter]
>> are
[6:43] well he works he's in the Congo right
now at the state embassy there
[6:49] was
[6:53] probably
[6:56] » yeah he brought us
waiting in line for 30 minutes to get
[7:01] something.
>> Oh, is that right?
[7:04] said just because you're off the border
doesn't mean you need to forget about
[7:06] the come
[7:16] » I think they're going
[7:21] to get me
[7:31] they take a big My wife freezes them and
uh at Thanksgiving she has red pudding
[7:36] » made
[7:40] Christmas.
[7:43] She uses Miss Mary on
>> Yes. Uh Warren was talking about some
[7:49] some family that
>> gets a whole lot of them every time they
[7:52] have a birthday, every time they have
Christmas, Thanksgiving, whatever, they
[7:55] pull them out the freezer. Are they as
good? Well, I mean I mean if I microw
[7:59] microwave one after one day, it's not
sun.
[8:03] » It's pretty heavy, doesn't it?
[laughter]
[8:07] » It's just not the same.
>> Yeah,
[8:11] » right.
>> Okay, I think it's time call this
[8:13] meeting to order
and we is everybody signed in for the
[8:18] roll call? Yes, sir.
>> Great.
[8:21] um had a chance to look at the agenda
and obtain a motion to approve the
[8:26] agenda.
>> So move second. I'll
[8:29] » bring up one thing. The monthly
discussion is not that uh it's not going
[8:34] to be airport capital improvement but
zoning airport.
[8:39] » Okay.
>> There's that one small change. Not that
[8:41] it it's not a voting issue. I just want
to bring it to
[8:43] » Okay. Yeah.
>> Yeah.
[8:45] » All in favor?
Any opposed? Thank you. Um, the minutes
[8:51] of the prior meeting were attached to
the email I think that we got.
[8:56] You all had a chance to review those. I
would ask if there are any additions or
[9:02] corrections.
[9:06] » I see.
>> Motion
[9:08] » motion to approve the minutes. Second.
>> All in favor? Great. Approved.
[9:14] » Anything from the
No. No. No.
[9:20] We we have happy citizens today.
[laughter]
[9:26] » Good lunch.
>> Yeah, just keep the lunch menu good.
[9:30] [laughter]
[9:32] » Okay, Paul, the uh airport zoning.
>> Okay. Um
[9:39] well, I gave you a couple of
large handouts that are paintings off of
[9:45] our airport layout plan. those large
tabloid size.
[9:48] » Yes.
>> Uh so you can see that uh especially the
[9:52] one that looks like a racetrack is our
airspace that uh you see that you can
[9:58] that's it's a little difficult on a page
that size but there's a topo underneath
[10:03] that. It gives you an idea of how far
out our airport affects the area. So
[10:09] it's um 10,000 ft and then you go
around. So there's uh there's what we're
[10:14] going to be looking at with our local um
planning office and the county as well.
[10:21] the countyy's willing to work with us
[10:27] because we know at some point in time um
you know our planners will move on
[10:31] something else either retirement or
whatever and it could be that we need
[10:35] something established
>> so that um we're protected in the future
[10:39] because we know of all the growth that's
happening out this direction. So, we've
[10:44] got to find ways and right now we
already have um one I mean a piece of
[10:49] property right underneath our approach
up for sale. And then we also have a
[10:53] large business that's off in the that's
in the county that's right underneath
[10:57] our approach that we don't things seem
to be moving in a positive direction,
[11:01] but we don't know what that new
investment group might be doing with
[11:04] that piece of property
um and all the property surrounding it
[11:08] because that's they have a lot of
property. So, things of that nature.
[11:12] Also, uh, more and more city council
regularly is somebody trying to build
[11:17] the neighborhood between here and the
bypass and so we've got to I make them
[11:23] aware all the time that there is going
to be a jet 200 feet over their house
[11:27] » no matter what.
>> And so that's just part of it. But they
[11:31] need but so we got to we need to the
only way that we really can protect the
[11:35] airport is through zone. The first being
associated with the racetrack idea is
[11:41] the airspace is height zoning height
zoning ordinances that we work with. Uh
[11:46] that way you're not necessarily
restricting because if you especially
[11:50] when you mention zoning in the county it
really goes squirly if the idea is just
[11:56] making sure that there isn't that they
have to go through a process. So
[12:01] everybody that puts tower over uh he
puts tower up period within that
[12:05] racetrack has to file with FAA.
Anything over certain elev anything over
[12:11] 200 ft has to be lit no matter where
whether it's an issue or not. But also
[12:16] we have to we want to make sure that off
the end of the runway where it is most
[12:21] restrictive for us and most important
for us that we protect that through not
[12:25] allowing things over certain elevations,
certain heights. Uh, perfect example is
[12:30] one of our own tenants put a tower right
up there off the north end because
[12:33] that's right across the street to his
property and he's he's got a airplane
[12:37] here and he still put a tower there
because it was for his for his business
[12:41] and it messed with our numbers on a
couple of different things.
[12:44] [clears throat]
>> Um,
[12:45] » so does that not
come back under the FAA has to approve
[12:51] the height requirement? FA looks at it,
but there is no that doesn't mean they
[12:57] they can adjust and they can make
changes if they necessary, but that
[13:00] doesn't say they're going to say no. It
just means more likely it's going to be
[13:04] require it to be lit or something like
that. There's they they hope for us,
[13:09] they leave it up to the locals for
zoning and different things like that to
[13:12] now. They'll support you and back you
and give you the regulations that allow
[13:16] you to establish. And that's kind of
what FAA does. They say, "Here, you have
[13:20] the authority now to regulate the area
around there. You have the authority to
[13:25] be able to zone
uh and we'll back you the with the power
[13:30] of the federal government." Now, they're
not going to say no to somebody. They're
[13:33] going to say, "Yes, you are
construction. Yes, you need to light it.
[13:37] And we're going to inform the locals
where it is and give them the
[13:41] opportunity to to stop it." But they're
not going to stop. That makes sense.
[13:50] But uh
the other is the other piece that we
[13:56] have you can see of um the land use plan
that's around there. You can that will
[14:01] also give you an idea of how big our
piece of property is that we have and
[14:04] we've been able to control most of our
approaches uh the runway protection zone
[14:10] and different things like that. you'll
the it's kind of hard to read, but I'm
[14:13] just giving you this as an example just
so eventually there will be a a bigger
[14:17] version once it's complete that
everybody will be able to see.
[14:21] But you can see to the south of them
we've got we've owned all the property
[14:26] and there's only a small triangle that
we don't on the north end that we don't
[14:31] have not been able to acquire because of
231 and right across 231. Uh, one of the
[14:37] things that we thought we had and we
went and Lisa and I a while back went
[14:41] looking for and never found one. But
some some of the older members of the
[14:46] authority are know that thought that at
one point in time there was a land uh an
[14:50] navigation easement bought over that
that corner, but we can't find any
[14:55] example of it. So all I can figure is it
maybe was discussed in meeting at some
[14:58] point in time and never happened. It
probably never came to an agreement or
[15:01] something like that.
>> Um, that would be one thing that is
[15:05] recommended. that will probably come out
of this airport layout plan is that we
[15:08] do acquire a navigation easement over
that small piece of property so that at
[15:14] some point in time right now that it's
it's owned by a widow and
[15:17] [clears throat] at some point in time
she will somebody will finally give her
[15:20] enough money that she'll sell it right
now she still has a lot of sentimental
[15:24] value because her you know her husband
was out there every day working on it
[15:28] and so she'll hold on to it I'm sure as
long as she can at some point in time
[15:32] it'll be out there and with it right
there on 231 right next to TCAT and
[15:39] right next I mean it's going to be hard
for somebody to not to walk away from
[15:42] that piece of property. So the best
thing we could do it is currently in the
[15:46] county uh is to uh work with the county
to for proper zoning and all of 231 is
[15:54] going to be uh working through a zoning
process throughout the starting in uh
[16:00] beginning of the year especially are
really going to get a lot more focus and
[16:03] we're we're diligently working with the
the planning office to make sure you can
[16:07] be involved in that process. So, we want
to be able [snorts] to restrict around
[16:12] us, but we don't want to restrict
ourselves,
[16:14] » right?
>> But so far, we're able to uh we're zoned
[16:18] as industrial as far as the city's
concerned. So, we're we're able to do
[16:23] what we need to do, but we also want to
because what you want around your
[16:27] airports is um it's pretty much you want
to have your um commercial, you you try
[16:35] to leave it agriculture if you can,
that'd be great, but um you want to have
[16:41] your industrial.
And so that's a big part of what I
[16:45] encourage for around the airports is to
really push the even industrial more
[16:50] than commercial because they have uh
with commercial you start having some
[16:55] restrictions on the number of people
that can park things like that under
[16:57] your approaches and different things
like that. As a matter of fact um they
[17:02] even in under certain approaches they
don't want you to have even a park where
[17:07] people can gather in large groups. So
there are just different ways but
[17:12] industrial really works well because
they already their own noise. So it
[17:17] really works well with noise
compatibility. I encourage people when I
[17:21] in my previous life I said the best
thing you can do is buy is get storage
[17:24] units and put them around airports
because everybody wants storage units it
[17:27] seems like and that's the best place
because boxes don't complain. It's like
[17:31] this is what people say about wanting to
fly for FedEx and UPS. They said when
[17:34] they have a rough landing the boxes
don't complain.
[17:37] » Yeah. So they can that's why everybody
all those pilots want to end up being
[17:41] FedEx.
>> Let [clears throat] me see if I
[17:44] understand this. This pink right here is
what you're talking about.
[17:48] » That's our that's our runway protection
zone and that that is really u that is
[17:53] for protection of people on the ground.
>> We we do or do not own all of this.
[17:59] » There's a small corner you can see right
below your finger there right on the
[18:01] other side of 231. There's a small
little triangle right there that we do
[18:05] not own. that is uh across 231 right on
the other side.
[18:10] » Yeah, we don't own many.
>> Yeah.
[18:12] » But uh that would one that they'll
recommend and it will be stated on our
[18:16] airport layout plan recommended for
acquisition for a navigation easement.
[18:20] It won't be a fee simple. It will just
be just buying the air above it.
[18:23] » Air above it. And what that'll help do
if nothing else um it will help with
[18:30] control of putting in if somebody which
has already been approached before about
[18:34] putting in a traffic light and different
things in that around that area we will
[18:37] be able to help control that even more
to keep that from happening. Also um the
[18:43] fact of anybody that if somebody were to
buy it for commercial or industrial
[18:47] reasons they can't put a sign up that
would impede on us because we own the
[18:50] air rights above it and not hurt our
approaches.
[18:55] But
the biggest part of what we need to make
[18:59] sure through zoning in this area
is the incompatible land uses which is
[19:06] for for the most part for most airports.
For some reason airports seem to attract
[19:10] houses like you know bees and honey. I
don't know why it is but for some reason
[19:15] they really seem to attract airport uh
airports seem to attract houses and you
[19:21] can see that to the north big time. the
airport to the north is really
[19:24] constrained and can't do anything. Uh as
much as their population wants it, they
[19:30] can't do anything about it because
they've built houses all around that
[19:32] airport. And so here we've been able to
acquire a lot of it and so far we've
[19:39] been able to work well with that that
particular neighborhood, but that
[19:42] neighborhood is still is still county.
Um so that's the thing is we we have
[19:47] some odd shapes in this area as far as
city and county is concerned. We have to
[19:51] really work well with the county because
uh big chunks of our property line are
[19:56] up against the county.
>> Yeah.
[19:58] » And so, uh we hope to over the next um
six months working with the county,
[20:04] working with the city planners, things
of that nature, maybe a little bit
[20:06] longer than that, it just takes time to
uh plan through because really when you
[20:10] start talking zoning in the county, it
really gets people's attention.
[20:14] » You did mention about the urban grow
that's funed.
[20:18] » I haven't. Oh, that's great. That's
that's true. That's another thing that
[20:24] » Can you you explain the triangle that's
here to the one side of the 231 the
[20:32] semicircles that are on should we say
the east side of uh airport road? Can
[20:38] you explain that to us as well?
>> So you've got two of those over there.
[20:42] One is for the V and that's been
established that was established quite
[20:47] some time ago and that was sort of
established from what I can gather as
[20:52] sort of a
sort of ina I mean they were memorandum
[20:56] agreement I mean that's sort of what
they've done with the Taylor property is
[21:00] um that large one with the V is
restrictions based on obstructions in
[21:05] metal mainly metal like putting
buildings up that's why you see the
[21:08] white fence over there things like that
so it doesn't impede on the navigation
[21:12] purpose of the VO. And so that is uh
that is something that's actually um
[21:19] they've been reminded of in this process
where they're talking about stopping the
[21:22] farming and doing something else to
remind [clears throat] them that they
[21:26] have that V there that causes a
restriction on that piece of property
[21:29] and they're very aware of it. Um now if
they sell it, I'm sure somebody that
[21:33] buys it will, you know, conveniently
forget that. But that will be one other
[21:39] thing that they I can't tell you because
I was not around when that was installed
[21:43] in the 70s where um if now the tailor's
own that property in the 70s. So I don't
[21:49] know if they made an agreement with FAA
at that time or not. I don't know. I
[21:53] don't have that information. The other
smaller one you see that's similar is
[21:58] AWS and that's our weather system. It's
a much smaller circle. The other one's
[22:02] 500 foot. The other one's 100. So it's a
you go out 500 feet and make the large
[22:07] circle and then you go out 100 feet to
make the smaller circle for the AWAS.
[22:10] That again is that metal doesn't affect
it but it does it's affected by um
[22:15] percentage of of structure. So like
anything over certain distance out you
[22:21] can't grow anything grass can't be over
8 inches. I mean there's different
[22:24] things like that. And as you go out
taller it goes but then in turn you
[22:28] can't have any certain blockages. So
it's not like you can build something
[22:30] there. you can't um allow trees to grow
up or anything like that.
[22:36] » Those are what those built
>> those are what those circle represent as
[22:39] far as that's concerned.
>> Yeah, I think so.
[22:43] » Paula, I was just asking Lisa and I
thought that probably correct right in
[22:47] behind that triangle you're talking
about. There were 26 acres that uh we
[22:52] actually uh donated I think the county
and the city did out of our industrial
[22:57] park to someone that may come back to
the city uh over an industrial park
[23:02] besides
>> Yes.
[23:03] » Okay. So I don't know if that will ever
expand.
[23:07] uh we need to keep a breast of what you
need so that we don't let somebody else
[23:12] get that property if you need more
>> which is what yeah that's part of the
[23:15] reason why we're working with with Tom
on that as well so that u because as I
[23:19] mentioned at some point in time I
imagine she'll she'll be ready to sell
[23:24] and that'll that would just make too
much sense for somebody to be able to
[23:27] get to 231 from that back portion of the
>> yeah they cut a driveway in behind tcat
[23:33] for the access to that 26 acres but it
was a right turn only when they
[23:37] developed where when they were talking
about developing that but that 26 acres
[23:41] part of it's wet
>> got spring or something on it
[23:45] » helps me out and so does that creek the
creek helps me out there
[23:47] » what about other runways are is MTSU or
anybody else looking at another runway
[23:53] out here at the airport and do we need
to protect do we need to protect u even
[23:58] further
>> we do uh we do have a little you see a
[24:02] small drawing right there
>> and for the most part we've got most of
[24:06] that already. Now, there will be shown
on our airport layout plan to acquire
[24:10] some property fee simple. That's just
because we that's what we've tried to do
[24:13] in the past.
>> Okay.
[24:14] » And that's and and I've always bragged
uh of how the city has done that. That's
[24:19] the safest way to do is fe simple
purchasing
[24:22] » and that's where you have 100% control
over it. And that's what uh we'll be
[24:25] asking for on that far side. The only
piece that we don't have is right on the
[24:30] corner of airport on that bend on
airport road.
[24:32] » Yeah. um that she's her property is just
adjacent to the airport right there
[24:38] » right on that corner right over there.
>> Yeah.
[24:39] » And it just happens to be her her late
husband was a former employee here. So
[24:43] she's she's aware.
>> She knows that we want to get a hold of
[24:46] it at some point in time. And it just
makes sense and that'll protect the
[24:49] approach for uh a future VFR runway on
that side.
[24:53] » And we do have developments. I know from
planning commission we've had Dale Lane
[24:57] and Fairfield Pike and all of that area
down through there. And we've got folks
[25:01] that own that. They have already gotten
the permission from the planning
[25:04] commission.
>> And I and I've mentioned that before.
[25:07] That's the one I Yeah. Especially that
one on Fairfield, just right off
[25:10] Fairfield that I mentioned. That's going
to right.
[25:12] » I said you're going to have
>> airplanes at 200 feet at 200 feet off
[25:16] your not necessarily the
>> the smaller diamonds and things like
[25:19] that. You're not going to have those
guys are not they're going to be over
[25:21] your head, but they'll be up higher
because they've got a steeper approach,
[25:25] » but they're and they're not nearly as
noisy. and
[25:29] » we've kind of considered
>> takes off. Go hear him cuz those engines
[25:32] are a big difference in those engines
and
[25:35] » the others.
>> I'm just going to say I told you
[25:38] something.
>> So if I bought a house, let's say in
[25:41] that proposed subdivision
and the jet starts coming over 200 feet
[25:46] and I start complaining,
what happens?
[25:52] » You get tired of complaining.
>> Well, no, they don't. They don't get
[25:56] tired of it. There's no we have asked
the developer to put that in part of the
[26:01] » uh okay
>> you know when you make that purchase now
[26:03] whether they do that or not
>> I don't think the city comes back and
[26:07] checks every one of them when they when
they do something like that but we have
[26:10] asked the developers now you're on that
>> and so you need to let those folks know
[26:16] but uh
>> we've even tried to you know
[26:19] » we've all worked to try to get that
information out. Yeah. Yeah.
[26:22] » But it just becomes a political
>> stop it before it starts. Yeah. Yeah. As
[26:26] I as I was sitting in a meeting and Mr.
Chairman, I'm sorry. I was late sitting
[26:30] in a meeting with a lawyer who used to
practice in Los Angeles and he goes,
[26:33] "It's just too bad. You know, Los
Angeles just opens its checkbook and
[26:36] pays." And I'm like, "Well, Shelby, go.
It's not Los Angeles, California."
[26:41] » But, you know, LAX is probably one of
the most well-known examples of where
[26:46] they had to put money in.
>> Yeah.
[26:48] » To buildings and houses that were there
before. And I know one of those owners
[26:52] and how much money they had to spend
>> to
[26:57] soundproof some of those houses. But
that's Los Angeles, California and
[27:01] California law,
>> right?
[27:03] » Well, it not only protects the person
that buys it when it's new, the next
[27:06] person down the road, you know, that
that person get tired of it. I'm tired
[27:10] of this right here. I'm going to move.
And then
[27:12] » how close they are to the area.
>> If you've got it in that deed or deed of
[27:15] trust, you you've got it. Yeah. Yeah.
There's Murphy'sboro got a nice little
[27:22] subs right at the end. [laughter]
Every time I go by looks I wonder if
[27:27] anybody lived in houses yet. [laughter]
>> Yeah.
[27:33] So that was just the main thing just to
point out the fact that we will be um
[27:37] you'll hear that talked about quite a
bit when it comes to the urban growth
[27:40] and I know some of you guys are involved
in some of the uh you know the region as
[27:44] a whole, the county as a whole. So, some
of that will come up as far as being
[27:48] able to uh why is the county supporting
the city when it comes to that? Because
[27:52] sometimes they they don't necessarily
get along, but uh they know they know we
[27:58] are a utility for everyone, not just for
the city, right?
[28:03] » So, it's county planning and zoning,
city planning and zoning.
[28:12] » Okay.
>> So, they'll be working together. We need
[28:14] to work together.
>> Just so you all know, Bedford County as
[28:18] a whole being in all our communities
with it are reopening the discussion of
[28:23] looking at our urban growth boundaries.
We have to do that as a whole.
[28:26] » Yeah,
>> we did that first 20some years ago and
[28:30] it's about time under the law to take a
look at it. And I think there I think
[28:34] Chris is formally starting that in
March. Okay.
[28:37] » Right.
>> I didn't know Tom had told you. So we we
[28:40] all know that it's coming and so we
anticipate that the city's urban growth
[28:46] bound is probably going to get bigger.
>> So at the end of that yeah that's going
[28:52] to be bigger. So yeah they
>> yeah the sewer heading in that direction
[28:56] will make a difference too.
>> So we know we know that they will follow
[28:59] that. We just
>> I'll just be encouraging it to be
[29:02] industrial or indoor commercial versus
residential
[29:05] » around here.
>> Right.
[29:06] » Right. I mean, at some point in time, I
understand it's going to I'll have to
[29:09] give up, you know, I can't go out too
far.
[29:13] » As much as I can, I will. Yeah. Just
just because of those phone calls.
[29:17] » Okay.
>> Luckily, right now for the mayor, just
[29:20] since he's here, one of the ones that
calls regularly, she's in the county.
[29:24] » So, I said you could welcome call our
mayor.
[29:27] [laughter]
[29:32] [laughter]
>> Call your mayor, but
[29:33] » that's right.
She calling about noise.
[29:37] » Yes.
>> Was she there before or after the
[29:40] airport was built?
>> She claims that their family was there
[29:44] before the airport was built.
>> Mhm.
[29:47] » I can't uh I know she's not she wasn't
there. Unless she was she was an infant.
[29:52] But
[29:56] [snorts]
>> yeah, I haven't heard of anybody dumping
[29:58] fuel or anything like that. When we had
MTSU, when we were working through that,
[30:03] we had folks calling calling me and
saying, "They're dumping fuel over here
[30:07] on my property. They got low enough. I
saw it come out of the plane."
[30:11] [laughter]
[30:14] » I said, "I hope not."
>> As was explained when MTSU first came up
[30:18] about them traffic to that corner over
there. I She was
[30:21] » at that meeting and I explained to them,
>> yeah,
[30:24] » that's they're more concerned. There's a
lot more concerns than trying to look
[30:27] out the window at you at your place or
trying to be certain elevation over your
[30:31] house. It's amazing.
>> Yeah.
[30:32] » How she all of a sudden thinks that she
can tell exactly how tall how nice you
[30:36] are.
>> She says they're 100 foot over my house.
[30:39] I said, "Well, you know, they're they're
not because they would be scared to
[30:42] death if they were just 100 foot. They
got something wrong. They're 100 foot."
[30:47] » But hadn't heard anything in the last
year or two, I'm not getting any
[30:50] complaints.
>> We keep we keep recordings and based on
[30:54] Ginger's recommendation. She misses a
voicemail on occasions. Yeah, there's
[30:58] been some that are
>> entertaining.
[31:01] » So, Paul will stop before they get to
mate.
[31:04] » Yes, [laughter] sir.
[31:08] » That's I'll have somebody else got some
more has some more questions about
[31:14] » go too far into it. [snorts] Zoning
until we go to old business and update
[31:20] rules and regulations.
[31:44] was um we did not print out a I did not
print out another rules and regulation,
[31:50] but some of you had you you received a a
copy of it. Um
[31:56] so the idea was hopefully that you could
read over and part of it is uh as
[32:03] I as I mentioned earlier to a few this
is something I'm in there
[32:14] you know just because I there may be
some assumptions on my part that I don't
[32:17] mean for there to be and so it really
needs to be able to that any any person
[32:22] that sees the rules and regulations can
understand Yeah.
[32:24] » And even if it's a brand new pilot,
most cases, rules and regulations are
[32:29] written for pilots, but they also cover
anybody that's trying to uh have
[32:34] aeronautical activity on the airport,
just like our minimum standards are
[32:37] written for anybody that has an
aeronautical service on the airport. So,
[32:40] it's an aeronautical activity and that
includes like your paragliders, that
[32:44] includes your in some cases even um you
know parachute jumpers and different
[32:49] things of that nature. you've got other
things that they have to include and so
[32:53] not all those guys are or at least have
or carry a pilot's license or student
[32:57] pilots license and so these have to be
written in Atlanta that can cover a lot
[33:02] of them. So I was hoping that they get
some some guidance from you uh as far as
[33:07] some areas that you obvious that seem to
be obvious or other ones that maybe not
[33:11] so obvious. Uh some I already know that
will need to be updated. I I as
[33:18] mentioned before I did ask uh at the
city at city hall if there was some
[33:21] certain any types of rules and
regulations that were established for
[33:24] city buildings to make sure that we were
adhering some of the same situations.
[33:28] this is a city facility to make sure and
surprisingly there's not uh there's
[33:34] nothing in writing for like city hall
for example um as far as any type of
[33:40] rules there might need to be but there's
not so I couldn't say I couldn't mimic
[33:45] any of those
>> yeah the closest thing that we would
[33:47] have of course is we do rent out rooms
at the rec center but you know park and
[33:52] wreck is really the only thing that I
mean we're we're our own animal out here
[33:56] » yes I even own separate thing.
>> I asked about the reference stuff. You
[34:01] know, I understand most people know now
there's no smoking in government
[34:06] buildings and that's just known and so
they don't have any writing. But what
[34:10] things that we mentioned here is how
close you can be to the building.
[34:14] » And I've seen it at city hall and I've
seen it here too where literally they're
[34:17] walking in the door and they're blowing
it out and flicking a cigarette as
[34:20] they're stepping through the threshold.
Well, we're we we're trying to keep that
[34:25] from happening here by putting a
restriction on it. Uh, one of the things
[34:29] I did want to ask, you know, I was
thinking Kelly was here too, but at
[34:33] least some of the the lawyers in the
room um and find out in reference to um
[34:40] smoking and vaping because I know vaping
is a big thing right now to the point
[34:44] that
>> are there
[34:46] are they loading them together? Are they
not? How is it being looked at as far as
[34:50] that's concerned because of um in some
cases I think the restrictions are less
[34:56] some are more I don't know or not more
I'm sorry but each two or
[35:01] you know how that's looked at that's
just one I thought of on looking this as
[35:05] far as trying to update [laughter]
>> I don't [clears throat] know
[35:08] specifically but most of them that I've
seen it was pretty consistent like
[35:12] vaping fell under the same rules as
smoking
[35:17] » indoors
So,
[35:19] » well, we we've established and and this
or in here has been discussed in
[35:24] reference to a distance away from the
building. We don't even hear to that
[35:28] right now, but I just
um we so that's one of the areas that we
[35:34] need to adjust and we do you feel that
[clears throat] that's
[35:40] it's 50 ft or 150 ft. How do you feel is
I thought the law was there's a statute
[35:46] that tells specifically how far you can
have to be.
[35:49] » Yeah. If you go to Beth County
Courthouse, they have it on the on the
[35:52] courthouse law. They tell you exactly
how far you have to be away from the
[35:55] door.
>> Yeah.
[35:55] » And I forgot. I pass it all the time.
>> I was thinking it was 50 ft, too. It's
[36:00] not that big of a
>> It was that
[36:02] » it's not large.
>> It used to be when it was first
[36:05] instituted in state buildings. It was 50
ft when I worked for the state,
[36:09] » but I didn't know if that had been
changed or anything like that. And I
[36:13] know here we had I think if I remember
correctly 150 ft
[36:17] » or something to that effect. I
>> I think the state statute is 50 ft.
[36:21] » But we can look that up.
>> So we have to some of the things that
[36:24] we'll need to do is uh rearrange an area
because we have people that wait outside
[36:29] and it's um we don't have really an area
undercover 50 ft out.
[36:34] » Yeah. Yeah, they're waiting right out
front and they'll have uh in the room or
[36:38] something like that. And also our um
where we have disposal uh our cigarette
[36:45] butts are disposed of and things like
that. We don't have those far enough
[36:47] away because they're right next they're
right up next to the building,
[36:50] » right? So, um, and as I mentioned
earlier to Gary, I said that I had
[36:57] there's places in here about pets, and I
hadn't really paid any attention to
[37:00] that. And so, now we've set up a a pet
waste area that we didn't have we didn't
[37:05] have set up.
>> And you have to be careful with that.
[37:08] [snorts]
>> So, okay.
[37:11] » I mean, yeah,
>> we have it just in the grass, which is
[37:14] where the where the animals are going.
So, uh, they have now they have bags to
[37:19] be able to grab and remove their waste,
but before they didn't. And we sometimes
[37:24] they would grab them, sometimes they
didn't.
[37:26] » Right.
>> Um,
[37:29] so if you know of anything ADA wise that
we've got in the rules and regulations
[37:33] that are in conflict, please let me
know.
[37:36] » Let me let me just ask a question and I
suspect I know the answer. Has it? Have
[37:42] y'all on the board read the uh rules and
regulations well enough to go through
[37:50] and or do we need more time to go back
and
[37:58] I would say we need more time to go
through
[38:01] » and I think it'd be helpful Jinger if
you could look and read them as well
[38:05] just from a legal point of view and then
be prepared next month to go through and
[38:11] Actually,
>> I won't be here this month. Sorry.
[38:17] [clears throat]
[38:21] » Sorry.
>> Okay.
[38:24] » In the one that
>> Yeah. May take that long.
[38:26] » In the one that you had sent out talking
about smoking, it says within 50 ft of
[38:31] refueling in 20 ft of the building.
>> Obviously, we need to that needs to be
[38:35] changed.
It says no smoking is allowed within 20
[38:40] ft of the entryways or within 50 ft of
fuel storage tanks or aircraft. Okay.
[38:48] » But I might also say can we just talk
about that's rules and regulations but
[38:54] we also have minimum standard wage. So
if if perhaps if we could all spend some
[39:00] time over the next month or so and read
rules and regulations and minimum
[39:06] standards.
>> Yes.
[39:07] » So we can have a discussion and then try
to put them into place
[39:13] » on both of those. Um, one of my areas
that I'm I'm not really sure what
[39:19] restrictions I have as far as the city
is concerned is how to enforce some of
[39:23] these uh because there's one here.
I mean, it's pretty bad, but there's one
[39:30] in reference to you wonder why it's in
here, but it's u no person shall use a
[39:35] toilet or lavatory facility at the
airport other than where it's designed.
[39:38] But we have people that do that
um because they're too lazy to walk up
[39:44] from the fuel farm or too lazy to walk
past from a their anger or something
[39:50] like that.
>> Um how you know what can be if we say
[39:55] something to them? Yeah, we can try to
embarrass them, but what do you have any
[39:59] what we can look at as far as keep in
mind what we can do to try to enforce
[40:02] these and can there be something that
>> administrative enforcement? Yeah,
[40:09] » we want to take that to court.
>> Oh, yeah. You need to take a a hard look
[40:14] at that. Some of these issues might be
such that you'd want to
[40:19] truly find someone that you would take
it to municipal court, but of course
[40:24] that's got to be in the code in order to
do that, not just a
[40:29] » policy.
>> So, you'd have to be very specific about
[40:32] that. Um,
I need to think hard about that.
[40:38] » I guess that's one of the things that I
guess is
[40:41] finding out what we can do. Now, rules
and regulations, yes, they adhere to
[40:46] itinerate traffic, too. So, that's kind
of hard. So, if we have somebody that's
[40:49] just flying through and they stopped
just long enough to get fuel and they're
[40:54] moving on somewhere else to another
state, may or may not be back. It's not
[40:58] like we can tell them you can't come
back because you you did X,
[41:02] » right?
>> Um
[41:04] » but
it's also hard to follow and try to
[41:09] send them a sent
>> you get into those personal things
[41:14] enforcement. We've got some ordinances
having trouble enforcing right now.
[41:19] animals especially.
>> And that's again that's another thing
[41:22] because is what we've discussed with
with minimum standards. Uh one
[41:28] template [snorts] and different things
that I've looked at offers and
[41:31] recommends that your minimum standards
be put through as a potential ordinance.
[41:36] » And that's one way you have to remember
that [clears throat]
[41:39] » when we talk about municipal court and
so those of you that may not be aware
[41:44] our municipal court is a true municipal
court. It is an appointed judge. He does
[41:50] not have the type of authority like your
general sessions judge. City of
[41:54] Murphusboro's city court, it has an
elected judge and has the same power as
[41:59] a general sessions court. They can do a
whole lot of things. So when there is a
[42:04] quote violation of city law, meaning
just something that the city has passed
[42:08] by ordinance, it's in our municipal code
>> and you take that violation to
[42:14] city court. The authority in Tennessee
is our judge is limited to finding
[42:19] someone up to $50 a day per violation.
Now, that's basically standard law,
[42:24] something that's going to go across the
the way.
[42:27] » The way I would imagine you would do
this is this is someone that's operating
[42:31] by permission on the airport. You need
to tie that to basically rescending some
[42:38] of their
authority to operate here if they don't.
[42:43] It's basically a contract between the
two of you. This is not law per se that
[42:48] applies to everybody in the city. This
is somebody that's operating here. And
[42:52] really, I think the the threat, if you
want to say it, is if you keep doing
[42:57] this, violating our rules and our
standards, you're not going to be out of
[43:00] your business or whatever it is you're
doing here.
[43:04] » In the meantime, though, how do you go
about kindly getting them to get to that
[43:09] point?
>> Yeah. You know,
[43:11] » I think that's a great point, uh, what
you're saying because rather than trying
[43:16] to go a legal route and all that stuff,
you just administratively we just warn
[43:22] them and say, "Please don't do that
again." And, right,
[43:25] » you know, and then the second time you
warn them a little stronger and then you
[43:29] say, "Well, we're [snorts] to cancel
your lease on your the tea hanger."
[43:32] » Yes. And I think we write that in, you
know, that it's a part of our leases.
[43:36] It's already in there. If you will
continually violate our rules and
[43:40] regulations, we're going to consider
that a breach.
[43:42] » Yes, it should.
>> And so that's part of the thing is is
[43:46] all of our leases will need to be re
re-evaluated
[43:51] and there could be and I I think that's
including the long-term leases on the
[43:55] ground as well.
>> Yeah. to properly um
[44:00] reference these as exhibits to allow
them to be flexible and can change but
[44:06] » also enforceable in some form of fashion
like that by pulling your lease. Um
[44:13] operating agreements I mean that
wouldn't be done without fair warning
[44:16] due process warning you know
discontinued we consider it's it is of
[44:20] such nature that we would
>> call your legal
[44:24] » yeah rules [clears throat] and
regulations they're pretty
[44:27] stop it now kind of thing but as far as
minimum standards that might be a little
[44:30] different
>> as you've seen later as we we'll discuss
[44:33] later I know I'm kind of mixing old and
new business together but they kind of
[44:37] some of some of the legalities of them
work similar
[44:40] But the minimum standards
>> as we'll discuss um those are some that
[44:45] you can establish a timeline saying
given them 30 days or 45 days or 60 days
[44:50] whatever you're correct and if you don't
then
[44:54] XYZ
>> okay so we'll go through those next
[45:00] » what's that
>> the
[45:02] » the rules and regulations
>> rules and regulations
[45:04] » all right
>> they haven't got an old business a new
[45:08] business now we'll go to standards.
>> All right. Um, you'll see that there was
[45:13] there is a a print out for you that on
that our
[45:19] friend Claude helped us out with a
little bit through through support from
[45:23] our chairman.
>> Yes. So, let me let me tell you what
[45:28] flaws pretty good if if you're
very explicit what you're asking for.
[45:34] » They all are like that.
>> Yes. And so
[45:38] I tried to do that. We tried to look at
the old versus examples of new other
[45:44] airports and merge something together.
But there's a this decision memo. It
[45:50] kind of takes you through and kind of
gives you things to look at. But as you
[45:56] read the document, this will give you
hopefully some
[46:01] idea of
you know what's changed, what's not
[46:05] changed. Absolutely. I am not suggesting
this is right, wrong, good or bad. Okay?
[46:11] I'm just saying there was a place to
start
[46:16] » and I can I will also give you
have another template too that we can
[46:21] put together with that and it's and I
I'll send you I was uh going through and
[46:26] editing those to because it was a
generic template and I took from another
[46:30] state and you don't there's no reason to
reinvent the wheel especially if they
[46:35] thought about it because there are so
many different aeronautical activities
[46:39] and aeronautical services I should say.
>> Yes. So I guess that's a way to
[46:43] distinguish between the two minimum
standards are really decided and set up
[46:47] for aeronautical
um services
[46:52] » and a lot of the minimum standards
as Paul to actually go through a lot of
[46:58] these decisions he needs to tell us what
he recommends what should he that's
[47:01] exactly
>> and do that for us to then go through
[47:05] and review and approve
and
[47:07] » one of the things and I did like I said
um before my staff that don't carry a
[47:13] badge and a gun. So, how do you enforce
some of these and what are
[47:17] » what does it make sense? You can put
them in there, but if you know that
[47:21] that's going to just cause a a riff or
cause a problem, then you're constantly
[47:24] going to be, you know, uh saying please
or don't do that again or whatever. I
[47:31] mean, it's so
>> as an example, can you give us an
[47:37] example, too? [clears throat]
Um,
[47:40] one of the things that most all the
minimum standards have in common for
[47:45] aeronautical services is that you
establish a um
[47:52] hours that you're open or x number of
employees or days that you're open,
[47:55] things of that nature. And if you have
people that are closing up shop early on
[48:01] a regular basis or not providing that
service that you that they've stated
[48:05] they're going to uh that would be one
that that you would that could easily be
[48:11] one that they find that you know we
don't have any especially for like a
[48:15] flight school for example we don't have
anything flying because the weather's
[48:18] bad in day or we don't have um anything
on the schedule so we're not here. So
[48:23] there's just different things like that
that if you establish those which
[48:27] upfront if you establish a minimum
standard with them
[48:31] um that's the thing you make it so
minimum that somebody that's full force
[48:44] in other words I'm paying somebody to be
here
[48:48] » five days a week
>> or seven days a week whatever the
[48:51] scenario is and then somebody just comes
onto the ramp and decides to do flight
[48:55] school to be a flight school off the
ramp. Um they come and go when they want
[49:00] to, but that doesn't and then you start
trying to enforce it or trying to stop
[49:06] it and different things of that nature.
It it starts becoming a little a little
[49:10] hairy in some cases just because
>> and I've had it before for example on a
[49:16] maintenance shop. Uh the previous owner
was quite vocal if you recall of Mac Air
[49:22] and when people would come in and try to
do stuff on the ramp that for themselves
[49:26] or try to do stuff in their hangers for
themselves that were above and beyond
[49:30] and he was basically saying why you're
telling me I got to carry you know
[49:34] million dollars worth of insurance and
he's got none
[49:38] and things like that you know and so
there's a cost for me to have it. So,
[49:42] some of those same type of things as far
as on those minimum standards.
[49:48] Um,
making sure they're properly
[49:51] established, but also not. So,
what do you put the minimum I guess is
[49:56] also does that make sense? My qu I know
I'm kind of talking around and around,
[50:00] but because I've read it so much, it's
hard to stay quite square on it. But I
[50:05] want things to be nice here, but also
it's still we got to think about it as a
[50:08] community type general aviation airport.
You got to make it business. You want
[50:16] you want it friendly for your
businesses.
[50:18] » And if you get into a situation where
you need the Shelby Police Department or
[50:21] emergency services or whatever, this is
this is Shelbyville property. So,
[50:28] but
like you say, you have to kind of handle
[50:33] it. [clears throat] Yeah.
>> Yeah.
[50:36] » Yeah.
[50:40] So, one of the things for the minimum
standards is trying to
[50:46] um
[50:50] establish all the different types of
aeronautical services. And uh one
[50:54] particular template I have basically
breaks it down to about 15 areas that
[51:00] need to be looked at and adopted and
particularly critiqued
[51:04] for 15 general areas of of activity.
Um,
[51:10] some go into more some some try to
broaden them into different groups if
[51:14] you can. Um,
[51:24] so it just depends on how
guess how detailed we want to get into
[51:29] the minimum finishes too.
>> I think you need to give us a
[51:31] recommendation.
Okay,
[51:36] I can I can do that and get it paid more
than we are.
[51:40] [laughter]
[51:44] » You know, a
>> just a little bit, huh? [laughter]
[51:47] » Or
copy of our current standards [snorts]
[51:52] with a redlinined version of what you're
recommending?
[51:56] » Well, that's that's mentioned before
that that's our problem is our minimum
[51:59] standards. We don't have a freestanding
document. the minimum standards for
[52:03] aeronautical services have been
incorporated into their leases. So every
[52:09] one of them
[52:13] out those are just rules and they didn't
have the minimum standards with them.
[52:20] » I think I sent you after the the last
fear board meeting board. Sorry
[52:28] » which one you sent. Um I we currently
have rules and regulations I'm aware and
[52:35] I had sent that out to you after the
last meeting.
[52:38] » Yes, I got that.
>> So those are our current we do have
[52:40] rules and regulations and I thought we
had minimum standards maybe referenced
[52:45] in that or included in that. It does
not. You've got uh rules and regulations
[52:49] executed and then you've got lease
amendment final uh final clean copy of
[52:54] new lease hanger six macare lease um mac
uh 8 and 10 lease and consent sub lease.
[53:02] » So the rules and regulations don't have
minimum standards set in them.
[53:06] » No, there's two separate documents. M
okay cuz if you want to one's
[53:12] guess you could say one regulates it's
more for activity and one is for
[53:16] services but your rules and regulations
are for everybody that are doing
[53:20] aeronautical activity on the air your
minimum standards are for those that are
[53:24] providing a service and so in some cases
you can look at it that um that's why
[53:31] the minimum standards in a lot of cases
need to be pretty strong because it's
[53:35] going to be a black eye on the airport
if somebody's not providing the proper
[53:38] kind of service are providing for
service.
[53:41] » So I get what you're saying. You they
have just been included inside their
[53:45] leases individually.
>> Okay.
[53:47] » And they're all different.
>> They may all be different until we
[53:52] consolidate at least on our land leases.
I think they all have the same.
[53:57] » Yes. Majority. Yes. As far as the
long-term land leases. Yes. Is the U
[54:04] section 3.1.3
talking about fuel storage facility?
[54:09] Will that change with MTSU? I mean, will
you have to have more fuel storage,
[54:13] larger tanks or anything like that? It
kind of gives you a design of what
[54:17] they've got there.
>> Yep. Um
[54:21] what we have um there is right now one
lease at this airport that allows for
[54:28] their own fuel
and that uh that is the Kings Kings
[54:36] lease. Um other than that we tried to
avoid that capability avoid that and I
[54:41] know in in in this particular situation
with with with Doug now it could change
[54:46] in the future when I retire Doug
retires. whatever, they might think of
[54:50] something different, but right now MTSU
doesn't want the headache.
[54:53] » Yeah.
>> Same thing for King.
[54:55] » King,
>> even though he's got it in there and
[54:57] he's threatened it before and he's in
the fuel business and so he knows what
[55:01] it's going to take to do it and he
doesn't want to get into that because of
[55:04] So, um, it's never been an issue. Uh but
that's and that's one of the things uh
[55:12] we probably need to find out is if we
can remove that
[55:17] and not have it.
>> Okay. Thank you.
[55:24] But you can again you just make it
flexible enough that if for some reason
[55:28] the city decided at some point in time
that they no longer wanted to be a full
[55:32] service FBO because somebody else came
in and offered you know to to do that at
[55:38] something that was advantage of the
airport because at some point in time we
[55:40] will get beat enough and enough activity
here that we've already been there's
[55:45] we've already had two people come take a
look at us that wanted to do something
[55:48] more. Um, and so we've had others that
I'm sure will be back. Those two will be
[55:53] back at some point in time when the
numbers finally get where they want them
[55:56] to be.
>> Okay.
[55:57] » And they'll be trying to entice the city
to turn it over to them.
[56:00] » Yeah.
[56:10] » The other thing is that the minimum
standards and rules and regulations that
[56:14] have to be consistent across two
documents.
[56:18] have to run that system.
>> Yes. And then like as mentioned, I can't
[56:24] recall, but is
then we would have to go back through
[56:29] and not only adjust our short-term
leases, but all of our leases in some
[56:32] firm fashion confirm and and add bring
those leases back in front of the
[56:38] authority through
amendments that address these particular
[56:43] documents to keep them as exhibits that
can be changed. And Jinger, is that
[56:48] something we can do or Well, I guess we
can try.
[56:51] » We can try. It It depends on I mean, I
don't remember how many old old leases
[56:56] we had out.
>> The older ones the one I'm the most
[57:00] concerned about because they're very
simple. I know that that some of them
[57:04] have definitely referenced you must
follow standards.
[57:08] » There are some leases that say that.
>> So, I'm not worried about changing the
[57:12] standards. Okay. Pretty sure it says in
there as as
[57:15] » you know as they evolve over time. I
just don't know exactly how many. I mean
[57:21] we we need to inventory. Yeah.
>> Understand what each lease has. Some of
[57:25] them are so old.
>> Do you think the leases were referring
[57:30] to the rules and regulations and the
minimum standards as one document or two
[57:34] documents?
>> I don't recall. most all airports
[57:40] they're supposed to be two separate
documents but um but I I know that a lot
[57:45] of them reference our rules and
regulations but do not reference minimum
[57:48] payments on some of the leases that we
have and I can't recall which one
[57:51] because I've seen too many not sticking
in my brain now
[57:56] » probably may have been references too I
don't know I'll have to go back go by
[58:00] look and look and read see what this
says
[58:02] » so so is there any way you can put a
catchall statement in the minimum
[58:06] standards that say any leases that don't
refer to adhering to the minimum
[58:11] standards shall adhere to the minimum
standards.
[58:17] » I mean we can but we the it has to be it
needs to get in the lease. The lease is
[58:22] where that language needs to be
>> in the books. Yeah.
[58:25] » And that is one that I want to bring out
is one of the air, one of the things
[58:29] that is recommended in the minimum
standards that I've looked through is
[58:34] that you establish a lease with anybody
that does a service here has a lease
[58:39] with you for x amount of square foot.
And in some cases, it could be if
[58:43] they're just going to operate off the
ramp, it could be that you're renting
[58:46] them a square footage of that particular
airplane. But the idea is that you have
[58:50] a a lease with them. And that is one
thing you can I guess in turn hold
[58:54] hostage. So that it is on those leases
and you can and that was definitely a
[58:58] way
>> or operating agreement.
[59:00] » Yeah, an operating agreement and you can
definitely put those minimum and say
[59:04] reference those minimum standards big
time in that to
[59:08] » those also
is minimum standards for aeronautical
[59:13] activities and minimum standards for
aeronautical services synonymous. That's
[59:18] on the agenda. We're talking about
services. the handouts. Will you have
[59:22] activities?
>> It really needs to be services
[59:28] because activities can uh that's really
would be the rules and regulations in
[59:32] most cases because um just because the
activities somebody wants to come out
[59:38] here and do um paragliding that's his
own thing. It's not like he's now if he
[59:43] wanted to come out here and instruct
then that's a service
[59:46] » and so there is a difference but if he's
just want to do it for himself come out
[59:49] here at 6 o'clock in the morning go fly
around the city to take a look and then
[59:53] come back and then he leaves that's
that's an activity
[59:57] there is a difference so I look at it as
>> activities would go under rules and
[1:00:01] regulations [snorts]
>> yes
[1:00:03] » so this document here would be
>> the header would be changed to services
[1:00:08] » yes
I'm saying just apply to people of
[1:00:12] operating businesses. That's what you're
saying.
[1:00:15] » Yes.
>> Yeah. Gotcha. You're just trying to do
[1:00:18] here are basically if you're going to
operate at the city, operate a business
[1:00:23] on city property. Here is the minimum we
require you to do. That's what that
[1:00:29] that's that is. Everything else should
be rules and regulations. Yes. Yes, I
[1:00:34] mean there could be one document but
>> so that's one of the things you have to
[1:00:38] confirm if the the biggest part of it is
um the minimum standards also help with
[1:00:45] the grant insurancees that state that
you're going to have things can be fair
[1:00:48] and equal so that you have you requiring
the proper insuranceances for everybody
[1:00:55] um that and then there is um one of the
things I there's a little bit more I
[1:01:03] need to look as far as permits and
things of that nature if there are any
[1:01:06] any permits
that if they're here adhere to if
[1:01:11] somebody wants to service here on the
field. I don't I've not been told of
[1:01:16] any.
>> Say that again. What do you mean?
[1:01:19] » Permit or anything that do we have to do
we need to make sure that we reference
[1:01:23] it in the minimum standards that we have
on file their business tax license or
[1:01:28] how is it supposed to or is there a
permit to
[1:01:31] » somebody that's been called out to work
on a plane. Is that what you're saying?
[1:01:36] » Any Yeah. So that if you're providing a
something that would have a tax that
[1:01:43] it's not that's going to go to the
proper location versus going back to
[1:01:47] wherever they're based. That makes
sense.
[1:01:52] » We would we dealt with him
some time ago. I thought
[1:01:58] I somebody was called out having
[1:02:03] a long time.
[1:02:08] Okay, that's something else.
>> Okay, so if you can get all of this
[1:02:13] stuff to us, everybody
>> and then we'll try to get it reviewed
[1:02:17] and
go through. Okay,
[1:02:25] great. Anything else on that?
We come to the favor agenda topic.
[1:02:33] You need electric for a big illustrious
kill. [laughter]
[1:02:50] » And this is
well Lisa is aware of how all this works
[1:02:55] for
>> well for the vice chairman um you would
[1:02:59] be completing Mr. Larson's term. So um
until January is that when we do it
[1:03:05] January or we do it in July January.
>> So you would be completing his term
[1:03:10] until January and then we would have
elections at that time. So I would call
[1:03:15] for a nomination for someone for vice
chair.
[1:03:18] » All right. Mr. Cruz since he's a lot of
servant. [laughter]
[1:03:26] » Any other nominations?
Any other nominations?
[1:03:31] Okay. Uh all in favor for Mr. Cruz being
uh the vice chair say I.
[1:03:37] » All opposed. [snorts]
>> Congratulations until January.
[1:03:41] [laughter]
>> Okay. I tell you I'm not
[1:03:45] » you right.
>> Okay. Congratulations.
[1:03:51] » Um construction update.
>> Okay. Well, I might ask the gentleman in
[1:03:56] the corner for one thing and see if he's
got anything from his side and I'll I'll
[1:04:00] get what I'll start filling in after
you.
[1:04:02] » Sure. So, on our project, I actually
just came from the construction monthly
[1:04:06] construction meeting this morning. It's
been over a month since I walked the
[1:04:10] site. So, it was nice to see the
progress. We're about 90% framed out on
[1:04:14] the first floor of the flight ops
building and probably 30 to 40% framed
[1:04:19] out on the second story. Um in the
hanger floor they're finishing up the
[1:04:24] tubing for the heated floor and and
expect to start pulling slab next week
[1:04:28] and also on the apron um space aircraft
parking gate video to start asphalt next
[1:04:36] week. So
>> things are things are of course this is
[1:04:40] part of the project that you see all the
progress happen right and it then it
[1:04:44] looks like nothing happens but it it is
really great to see it. I apologize. I'm
[1:04:47] going
>> I'm not gonna say that we don't have any
[1:04:49] big hurdles right now, but so I don't
jinx it, but we don't have any big
[1:04:53] hurdles right now.
[laughter]
[1:04:57] » John, you got anything to add from
Carl's perspective? I see you guys
[1:05:00] having to dig up some spots. You keep
filling in and then digging back up and
[1:05:03] fill it in and dig it back up.
>> I think they're they're doing one more
[1:05:07] water line, but I I think we're going to
be done in week or two probably.
[1:05:12] » Okay.
Um, unfortunately on our side of things
[1:05:17] for the big projects with curl, as a
matter of fact, on our side, we're still
[1:05:22] in a holding pattern. The state and the
federal government have us just sitting
[1:05:26] here. Um, we call regularly, knock on
their door regularly, but it's
[1:05:33] they just kind of ignore us now.
>> Um, so we're just waiting. We've
[1:05:38] provided them all the information.
actually in more than a few cases we
[1:05:41] provided it like three and four times
the exact same information to different
[1:05:45] people and sometimes to the same people
which is so um we're just hoping
[1:05:52] Colonel's going to be nice to us and
doesn't
[1:05:55] they don't change their mind when it
comes time to finally get it taken care
[1:05:58] of and um they can move on it quickly we
hope um the other construction we've had
[1:06:06] that you might have seen as you've come
by uh two different things happened
[1:06:09] here. One, we had a a waterline issue at
at Patriot and so there was a lot of
[1:06:16] equipment you probably saw out here and
we had three buildings without water for
[1:06:20] a while until we can get that found. Uh
it cost us about luckily the labor
[1:06:26] public works is not going to charge us
for the labor, but u was nice enough to
[1:06:30] charge us about $16,000 worth of water
without telling us that we had an issue.
[1:06:36] Um, but we're going to try to work with
>> Yeah. We had two
[1:06:42] » three months worth of
>> overages and they had and we we found it
[1:06:46] at the city.
>> Yeah.
[1:06:48] » And work through the process, but we're
going to
[1:06:51] our city treasur is going to work with
us and try to work with each side to try
[1:06:55] to get some of that back.
>> Um, but they would have just kept going,
[1:06:59] I'm sure, as long as they keep charging
us. Uh but we'll have to u when we redo
[1:07:07] the driveway over here after the plane
for we'll be having to redo this
[1:07:12] driveway over here for uh fireh hall 3
because we've had to tear that up twice.
[1:07:18] Um right now they're able to utilize and
they do utilize our ramp but uh they can
[1:07:22] cross that but it's not it's not nice
and so it will wear and pop loose and so
[1:07:28] they did replace all the piping through
there. Uh they found some old stuff that
[1:07:33] had just been abandoned in place. They
did remove that. Um the other you saw
[1:07:39] that we were kind of surprised about was
a fiber optic cable that came in from
[1:07:43] United
um that was brought in for we're not
[1:07:48] even really sure who who instigated it.
Uh they picked probably one of the
[1:07:53] hardest places. There might have been
one other place that was harder to put
[1:07:56] in that would have been hard to put in a
conduit for fiber optic.
[1:08:01] And they in turn only cut they cut one
line for AT&T. So they'll have to pay
[1:08:06] for that. But it does feed those other
hangers in Mac Air and some other. So we
[1:08:11] do have fiber optic cable coming from
231 to the north area of the airport.
[1:08:16] That's the only place that has it
because we we had it laid out for here
[1:08:20] but the water line at GSU took our money
because we were fiber optics for
[1:08:24] » the rest of the infield. Um,
and with that, I don't Was there any
[1:08:29] update on that? As far as I know, Tomcat
is no longer involved. They're rerouting
[1:08:35] the water line. And I think Carl, will
you take John, were you guys taking care
[1:08:40] of that water line and gas line, you
know,
[1:08:44] at the front?
>> I should check on that.
[1:08:46] » It seems like they because they they're
changing that the way it was laid out.
[1:08:50] So, they was going they were stepping
back as far as
[1:08:54] » the utilities.
that uh MTSU entrance parking lot
[1:08:59] » I don't have
>> uh
[1:09:03] » I was trying to remember there was
>> if you don't have it don't worry
[1:09:08] » um
the taxi way you'll see you might you
[1:09:13] not see because you're not
>> you're not taxiing by
[1:09:16] » but they have laid out and they are
starting the electrical work not the not
[1:09:20] the asphalt work I imagine that'll come
in later I'm not sure when you guys are
[1:09:23] doing that taxially aren't Correct.
>> Um, so now they're going to be laying
[1:09:28] out the the they'll be cutting into our
runway lights and our taxiway lights.
[1:09:35] Mainly our taxiway lights. We can run
them separate. We will be running them
[1:09:38] separately, but the first step is to run
the wires for the the lights. They got
[1:09:42] it staked out and they should be doing
that in the next 30 days or less.
[1:09:47] They've actually talked to me like
they're trying to get it done like this
[1:09:50] week or next. They hope to be able to
get the wiring and the conduits for the
[1:09:53] wiring for the lights. Uh they're
they're experiencing some of the same
[1:09:57] problems any airport does. Uh the light
people don't really pay much attention
[1:10:01] to you unless you're doing an entire
airport. If you just want a small
[1:10:04] quantity, they're looking at I think
they're doing eight or 10 12 something
[1:10:08] like that. They don't really pay much
attention to. So you're at their mercy
[1:10:13] until they deliver them.
>> Okay. So that's what they're So think
[1:10:17] that's the majority of what we got going
on right now. Hopefully at some point in
[1:10:20] time this list will be a whole lot
longer than you guys as far as
[1:10:22] instruction.
>> Okay.
[1:10:26] » Good report. Anything else?
[1:10:32] » I believe we will.
>> Thank everybody for serving. We
[1:10:36] appreciate it. [clears throat]
[1:10:45] » We'll see next month. You'll see.
>> Do we need to take off from the mayor?
[1:10:50] » Do we need to take an offer from the
[1:10:57] [laughter]
[1:11:01] » probably summary of just anything you
see from
[1:11:06] anything else?
>> Sure.
[1:11:10] » I'll try to do I'll be able to look at
what their minimum standards are.
[1:11:18] Ron Miller.
[1:11:39] » That's not good.
>> May I had to leave early last time?
[1:11:46] Egypt would