1 00:16:27,950 --> 00:16:46,790 This would be a good time to go ahead and move that over to our definitions section of our overall zoning code. This is some housekeeping stuff there, cross referencing between the data center ordinance, the update to this as well. And then sort 2 00:16:49,290 --> 00:16:58,670 of what we're getting to is the county policy improvement. So how do we make this code better and address things that haven't been addressed before. So things like the site on site power generation. 3 00:16:58,670 --> 00:17:03,030 and defining the emergency backup power, 4 00:17:03,270 --> 00:17:05,210 that kind of thing. 5 00:17:06,110 --> 00:17:07,690 So what can we still do, though? 6 00:17:09,230 --> 00:17:10,750 Especially use permits, still matter. 7 00:17:11,930 --> 00:17:14,790 The county can still review these on a case-by-case basis. 8 00:17:17,250 --> 00:17:19,430 Wildlife, emergency access, water soils, 9 00:17:19,610 --> 00:17:22,250 all our things that state code still allows us to use 10 00:17:22,250 --> 00:17:23,630 to judge these projects. 11 00:17:23,630 --> 00:17:32,510 And we just want to make sure that anything specific in state code we're not in conflict with in our local code. 12 00:17:32,650 --> 00:17:35,850 But there's probably a few different ways we can work to get there. 13 00:17:36,690 --> 00:17:37,170 Yep. 14 00:17:37,670 --> 00:17:49,610 I'm especially used permits that the state relax some of the applications to be by right where we would have been otherwise. 15 00:17:49,610 --> 00:17:50,530 a special use. 16 00:17:52,550 --> 00:17:55,550 It's one of the things we get to talk about here in a minute. I'll outline 17 00:17:55,550 --> 00:18:02,090 sort of, yeah, one of those pieces. Let me work with one that we approved last year about 18 00:18:02,090 --> 00:18:08,630 the land fill. Yep. This applicable or do we still get to use other ones? So any of these 19 00:18:08,630 --> 00:18:14,650 are all going to be applicable for applications received after July 1st. So that our rules 20 00:18:14,650 --> 00:18:16,070 will still apply. Yes sir. 21 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:24,100 Why on-site generation belongs here and why it's come up recently. So the 22 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:31,020 data center discussion came up, you know, we specified generators in our data center code, 23 00:18:31,020 --> 00:18:37,580 but we didn't specify backup generators. So that could potentially open up the opportunity 24 00:18:37,580 --> 00:18:44,780 for more on-site power generation as part of a potential project proposal. And then doing some 25 00:18:44,780 --> 00:18:53,720 some reading, I found this diagram helpful that while projects in 2024 didn't necessarily 26 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:59,400 think about on-site power generation in 2025 over a quarter of all projects are now 27 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:02,480 thinking about on-site power generation. 28 00:19:02,820 --> 00:19:06,440 So you can see the significant increase from year to year on that. 29 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:17,220 So what would we want to do, go ahead and define backup power power generation, accessory 30 00:19:17,220 --> 00:19:24,340 to a lawful principle use, use for outage emergencies, commissioning, required testing, 31 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:30,000 maintenance, limited cycling, but not used for primary power generation. 32 00:19:30,740 --> 00:19:37,040 One site power generation facility generates power as a facility function, may serve primarily 33 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:42,720 to supplement, load manage, or grid support, and our recommendation is that it would be 34 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:48,120 reviewed as a large scale energy facility under our ordinance, not just as an accessory 35 00:19:48,120 --> 00:19:48,580 equipment. 36 00:19:51,650 --> 00:19:57,650 Then, you know, we've started the conversation around data centers, but manufacturing, 37 00:19:57,650 --> 00:20:03,650 manufacturing, other industries, future developments may also consume large amounts of power. 38 00:20:04,790 --> 00:20:11,290 So what does that look like for emergency standby versus routine at one side? 39 00:20:12,190 --> 00:20:17,490 And it could potentially be an additional special use permit that would need to be considered 40 00:20:17,490 --> 00:20:18,430 and approved. 41 00:20:18,830 --> 00:20:26,070 Our current code provides us enough of that language that says any specific power generation 42 00:20:26,070 --> 00:20:33,010 would need to, anything aside from backup generators, I think, would need to be separately 43 00:20:33,010 --> 00:20:37,630 approved as part of the special use program. So we do have some language in there, but 44 00:20:37,630 --> 00:20:42,910 this would make it more clear that if that one-site power generation is going to happen, 45 00:20:43,090 --> 00:20:46,710 it does have to get a formal special use permit approval. 46 00:20:50,540 --> 00:20:52,800 So how do we, you know, we've been talking 47 00:20:52,800 --> 00:21:01,540 about water, we were just rap meeting, but we also were talking about pollution and how 48 00:21:01,540 --> 00:21:06,760 do we regulate some of the things that are most important to us long-term. 49 00:21:07,020 --> 00:21:09,840 So water is life is a big part of our comprehensive plan. 50 00:21:10,460 --> 00:21:19,300 Zoning allows us to have reasonable provisions to protect water, groundwater, but also may limit 51 00:21:19,300 --> 00:21:25,980 us when it comes to air emissions. That's been sort of one of the Northern 52 00:21:25,980 --> 00:21:31,080 Virginia lessons learned is the cycling up there, the timing of that when 53 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:36,200 that happens, but wouldn't want to lose sight of it as part of this discussion. 54 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:42,740 Either, so our water quality impact analysis, we could potentially bulk that 55 00:21:42,740 --> 00:21:48,920 definition up in the requirements that that should include. The language in 56 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:52,360 And there could change to make sure that we're going to factor in that if there's any specific 57 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:58,300 project related impacts, we get those identified and included. 58 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:05,180 So the pollutant pathway review, spill, fire water, contamination monitoring, we can try 59 00:22:05,180 --> 00:22:09,140 to include that in a few different places when it comes to water. 60 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:16,500 But that would be kind of in that definitions and requirements section for the water quality 61 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:17,900 analysis piece. 62 00:22:17,900 --> 00:22:18,400 Can 63 00:22:20,890 --> 00:22:23,590 I clear what that's the question, this point didn't check, please. 64 00:22:26,860 --> 00:22:35,760 So the water quality impact analysis, so one of the concerns I have is the air impact 65 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:44,880 of the on-site power generation and we don't have those authorities globally in order 66 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:51,460 we have that expertise, but, you know, your point then is that if there are certainly 67 00:22:51,460 --> 00:23:01,500 Then air emission results that could be tied to the water quality, we do have the authorities 68 00:23:01,500 --> 00:23:04,280 and that kind of, of course, right? 69 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:04,720 Correct. 70 00:23:07,090 --> 00:23:13,750 And then, I guess, just overall, obvious statement that, you know, this is phenomenal that 71 00:23:13,750 --> 00:23:14,850 we can get to get the talk about this. 72 00:23:14,930 --> 00:23:17,070 This is certainly, I think, beyond our expertise. 73 00:23:17,790 --> 00:23:20,510 locally we're kind of on the cutting edge a lot of this stuff we're trying to 74 00:23:20,510 --> 00:23:27,370 sort out policy and you know how to how to frame good good coding so that you 75 00:23:27,370 --> 00:23:31,110 know we don't have unintended consequences but we we're getting the job done 76 00:23:31,110 --> 00:23:36,370 too so okay so that's good I didn't know I didn't appreciate that that seems 77 00:23:36,370 --> 00:23:39,070 to be a reasonable way to approach that so 78 00:23:41,850 --> 00:23:44,050 then sort of I know that I'm talking a 79 00:23:44,050 --> 00:23:49,190 lot here at the beginning but I know you all have thoughts on this but when I 80 00:23:49,190 --> 00:23:55,650 and took a stab at emergency stand by a generator definition, took a stab at on-site power generation 81 00:23:55,650 --> 00:24:00,830 facility to specifically define this in our code. 82 00:24:01,850 --> 00:24:07,290 Should we want to move in that direction, you know, we would want to make reflected changes 83 00:24:07,290 --> 00:24:17,570 where we talk about generation and other places, but I was hoping that you know the first few 84 00:24:17,570 --> 00:24:23,930 of these we could maybe agree on and that would give us the staff direction to help generate 85 00:24:23,930 --> 00:24:29,730 an ordinance that could start to go to legal review and come back before you but move, go 86 00:24:29,730 --> 00:24:34,770 ahead and move the energy facility definitions from where they are in the energy code to the 87 00:24:35,450 --> 00:24:45,370 regular definition section in the zone code, go ahead and really review and define emergency 88 00:24:45,370 --> 00:24:50,650 the standby generation from reaching on-site power generation and go ahead and add these water 89 00:24:50,650 --> 00:24:59,970 protections through the different mechanisms that we've already talked about. And kind of proceed 90 00:24:59,970 --> 00:25:04,530 with this targeted update without rewriting the entire code but start there. 91 00:25:06,670 --> 00:25:07,510 I've got a couple more 92 00:25:07,510 --> 00:25:10,290 slides. I don't know if you want me to go through all of them and we'll come back to this or. 93 00:25:10,290 --> 00:25:13,070 Yeah, let's go through all of them. 94 00:25:15,190 --> 00:25:21,270 Right now in our code, this is how we distinguish between large-scale and small-scale energy facility, 95 00:25:21,530 --> 00:25:24,530 so a small-scale energy facility does not need, especially use permit. 96 00:25:24,950 --> 00:25:30,450 A large-scale energy facility does go ahead and leave our energy storage systems, 97 00:25:30,730 --> 00:25:34,510 our solar facility, our wind facility, but then we'll just specifically add 98 00:25:34,510 --> 00:25:36,750 or on-site power generation facility. 99 00:25:42,170 --> 00:25:44,330 We would consider it large. 100 00:25:46,610 --> 00:25:47,210 In 101 00:25:51,180 --> 00:25:59,420 this, Mr. Fagan, to your point, our code versus state code is pretty interesting. 102 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,120 So we looked at acreage as part of SOAR. 103 00:26:02,220 --> 00:26:07,440 We were really concerned about what land is going to be consumed with this different use. 104 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:13,920 But we define small scale as two acres are under and anything more than that as large scale. 105 00:26:14,340 --> 00:26:24,460 The state says one megawatt or more is going to have to require those state specific conditions. 106 00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:33,540 It doesn't open up this sort of middle ground here where somebody proposed a project larger than two acres but less than a full megawatt worth of power. 107 00:26:33,540 --> 00:26:38,480 the likelihood of that low, but it's still a big 108 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:43,540 for an interesting application for Brenna to walk through. 109 00:26:43,700 --> 00:26:45,600 You said a megawatt was 10 acres, right? 110 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:49,460 A megawatt generally. Well, in 2023, you know, was, 111 00:26:50,820 --> 00:26:52,420 that's what it took to have to worry about. 112 00:26:52,940 --> 00:26:55,320 So you're talking somewhere between two and 10? 113 00:26:55,620 --> 00:26:58,600 Somewhere between two and 10 would fall in this, you know, 114 00:26:58,620 --> 00:27:01,040 are they the 15 height panels? 115 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:05,840 is they have the 25-foot height panels, maybe it's not worth talking about, but I did want to, 116 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,480 you know, we got a spot, we got a spot, right here, front and center. 117 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:17,240 So it may, you know, the question then would be, do we want to shift what our large scale and small scale 118 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:23,640 solar definitions are, or facility definitions are, to be more aligned in the state 119 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:32,780 So, one megawatt is what, 15.2, 22, 88.8, which is, I think, what we printed out for 120 00:27:32,780 --> 00:27:33,140 everyone. 121 00:27:35,620 --> 00:27:41,960 But then, five megawatts is what is later used in state code to talk about 122 00:27:42,460 --> 00:27:52,140 solar facilities requiring sighting agreements. 25 is used for the perennial wetland stuff 123 00:27:52,140 --> 00:28:01,440 that I was talking about, and 100 megawatts is the high-energy facilities that they also 124 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:01,740 refer. 125 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:08,120 So, all of our stuff is based on acreage and size in that sense, but state code is by 126 00:28:08,120 --> 00:28:08,840 megawatts. 127 00:28:08,980 --> 00:28:17,120 So, I have a trouble getting my arms around the whole project, the definition based on megawatts 128 00:28:17,120 --> 00:28:21,940 as opposed to the amount of land it's taking up. 129 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:23,300 We're talking about land use. 130 00:28:23,580 --> 00:28:27,620 We're not talking about productivity with regard 131 00:28:27,620 --> 00:28:30,400 to the efficiency of the solar panels. 132 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:37,180 So if they come in and say it's only a five megawatt facility 133 00:28:37,180 --> 00:28:41,480 and get the approvals, but they're chewy up, 40 acres of land, 134 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,060 they fall under one versus a different deal. 135 00:28:45,800 --> 00:29:04,500 It's a list of requirements but then it's a 25 year project so how do we then they come back and they change out the efficiency of the solar panels and now it's a, you know, it's a much, it produces a whole lot more electricity and therefore it would be subject to a different standard. 136 00:29:04,820 --> 00:29:12,480 It's just, maybe everybody else is getting their arms around that. I can't seem to get my arms around that. 137 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,860 No, I think that one, I think we, you know, we might have to have a couple more of these 138 00:29:16,860 --> 00:29:21,880 sessions if we were going to start shifting it to the power gen or the megawatt size because 139 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:22,400 I think you're right. 140 00:29:22,900 --> 00:29:28,420 When we did all that research, I mean in just three years though, right, like we didn't anticipate 141 00:29:28,420 --> 00:29:33,400 this kind of energy consumer when we were thinking about developing this. 142 00:29:33,460 --> 00:29:34,680 Yeah, visual. 143 00:29:34,940 --> 00:29:39,260 It's like only made to see, you know, exactly what you're coming from, this is a little more 144 00:29:39,260 --> 00:29:39,660 abstract. 145 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:49,570 I don't know if Jenna has any insight into some of the power, like the reason the state would use 146 00:29:49,570 --> 00:29:50,290 the 147 00:29:53,970 --> 00:29:59,670 state, maybe the immegalized person is a great because of the business. 148 00:30:00,110 --> 00:30:21,890 It's a really broad scale of energy ordinance, and it's looking at things other than the solar, the solar, then, you know, an SMR, a small modular reactor may only take up a fraction of an acre, but pretty significantly higher energy generation, and they, based on what we need to regulate that. I don't know. That may be what you're saying. 149 00:30:21,890 --> 00:30:27,150 I mean, the Wichstock project, how many make a bunch is it? 150 00:30:28,330 --> 00:30:29,210 The Endburden? 151 00:30:29,890 --> 00:30:30,330 Yeah. 152 00:30:30,550 --> 00:30:31,030 Landfill one. 153 00:30:33,050 --> 00:30:34,090 I think it was five. 154 00:30:34,110 --> 00:30:39,270 It was like a community solar, well 25 or 30 acres, right, so it would be, max would 155 00:30:39,270 --> 00:30:39,950 be five probably. 156 00:30:40,530 --> 00:30:42,850 And how many acres would be 25 or 30? 157 00:30:42,930 --> 00:30:43,630 25 or 30? 158 00:30:47,220 --> 00:30:54,160 I like how he's respected, and I think the source focus was on the number two big idea, 159 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:55,160 which is land and bag. 160 00:30:55,900 --> 00:31:03,040 So to the extent that we can square acreage to stay good and make sure we're not creating 161 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:04,200 into lumber for ourselves. 162 00:31:04,620 --> 00:31:09,680 I think that's probably a good way for us to all be able to relate to it because obviously 163 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:15,560 the solar industry is going to continue to evolve, but you know, acres and acres are awesome. 164 00:31:19,460 --> 00:31:23,500 No, the Lemme of course, we mentioned like we've reached out like DeVaco, like Joe Lurch, 165 00:31:24,340 --> 00:31:24,520 you know. 166 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,600 You know, they kind of watch and follow this stuff. 167 00:31:27,860 --> 00:31:30,600 He didn't do much, I think, for Madison and resources, 168 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,240 he had to pass the lounge, a little disappointed in that. 169 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,300 But the NACO, I thought, did a better job, the NACO, 170 00:31:36,460 --> 00:31:39,920 but some of you may be able to give it a little insight 171 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:41,980 on the wide awareness round 172 00:31:41,980 --> 00:31:43,880 and how others are looking at this. 173 00:31:43,940 --> 00:31:46,660 Because I think most people probably did have the acreage, 174 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,220 you know, Nelson is a switch 175 00:31:48,220 --> 00:31:49,980 and just kind of get his perspective. 176 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:51,400 So they were having these discussions. 177 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:55,440 And that is one thing that uses these privy to is the people that do that. 178 00:31:56,500 --> 00:32:00,980 And some of the conversations we had, too, I think at the NACO level, nationally, should 179 00:32:00,980 --> 00:32:05,200 go outside the commonwealth, so maybe some other states are actually doing some of these 180 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:05,500 things. 181 00:32:06,140 --> 00:32:09,940 Projections are starting to hop on board with, because a lot of people, big bar and stealing 182 00:32:09,940 --> 00:32:10,880 comes on and stuff. 183 00:32:11,220 --> 00:32:14,840 So they also have, so I don't know if you've reached out to them, you have, that's kind of 184 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:19,700 start there to get maybe some clarification, maybe that's why some of this stuff was done 185 00:32:19,700 --> 00:32:21,140 and where it may be heading. 186 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:29,520 I mean, you may have said this before, but the state's different levels of projects, 187 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,760 what is that trigger within the state code for each? 188 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:40,760 So they've been focused on, well, the 1-5 and 25 were solar-specific. 189 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:43,820 The 100 is a data center. 190 00:32:43,820 --> 00:32:51,420 But what's the, how does the state code differ for each of these different kind of, 191 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:56,040 you know, one more stringent than the other in terms of setting applications? 192 00:32:56,300 --> 00:32:57,440 What's the point of naming? 193 00:32:58,380 --> 00:33:00,520 I think it's a 194 00:33:02,670 --> 00:33:03,050 good question. 195 00:33:05,350 --> 00:33:10,990 There's also the tax applications on the ability to tax based on different levels, 196 00:33:13,860 --> 00:33:20,500 But it doesn't trigger different permit requirement necessarily. 197 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:27,200 So that's what they're saying, anything over one megawatt versus where we started that 198 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,360 at a smaller, two-weeker limit. 199 00:33:30,340 --> 00:33:35,040 So would we be comfortable saying our new threshold is 10 acres? 200 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:43,060 But they don't have different criteria for evaluation between I-15 and 25. 201 00:33:46,430 --> 00:33:47,970 They all have to meet the same. 202 00:33:48,270 --> 00:33:51,570 They'll all have to meet anything over the one megawatt. 203 00:33:51,770 --> 00:33:55,050 The five megawatt is specific to the citing agreement. 204 00:33:55,810 --> 00:34:05,070 So the citing agreement is an agreement with the locality for some sort of revenue share conversation as part of the project. 205 00:34:05,950 --> 00:34:13,730 The state code says for the one megawatt projects, anything over one megawatt can be regulated 206 00:34:15,950 --> 00:34:22,090 by special exemption or a citing agreement, which was a question I had for our attorneys 207 00:34:22,090 --> 00:34:29,230 and he called and said, that's a sophisticated question, but so I think like if we just wanted 208 00:34:29,230 --> 00:34:35,990 to say anything over one megawatt is going to enter a sighting agreement. We could do that. 209 00:34:38,150 --> 00:34:43,050 Right now we say any large-scale project must enter a sighting agreement. 210 00:34:50,110 --> 00:34:51,590 So I guess curious 211 00:34:54,290 --> 00:35:01,530 one-site power generation do we want it as a separate use and do we want it as a special use 212 00:35:01,530 --> 00:35:05,750 permit or a by-right use or an allowed accessory use? 213 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:14,240 My assumption was special use, but 214 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,600 That's what my assumption is going to be, but I want to hear if somebody else. 215 00:35:19,180 --> 00:35:20,140 I would agree with that. 216 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:20,640 Yes. 217 00:35:23,390 --> 00:35:25,810 Maybe we met with a 218 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,660 company that was going to develop site at the landfill. 219 00:35:34,020 --> 00:35:35,960 And what become of that? 220 00:35:37,700 --> 00:35:38,460 Great question. 221 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,820 I don't, we haven't heard from them recently. 222 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:43,800 Rhanna, have you? 223 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:44,740 There were. 224 00:35:47,140 --> 00:35:51,120 Yeah, they're working, I think, on access to the property and trying to figure that out. 225 00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:52,180 They 226 00:35:54,360 --> 00:36:04,200 had talked about using sheep to keep vegetation down, but there was an article in 227 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:14,260 the Lancaster farmer about people who used sheep, but they had a special tag that went 228 00:36:14,260 --> 00:36:19,240 in the sheep's ear that would keep them within the boundary of the property. 229 00:36:32,490 --> 00:36:44,070 They have ways of doing that, but I didn't hear or see anything that would suggest that 230 00:36:44,070 --> 00:36:54,180 So they were going to, people were going to use, have to put up a bond in order to develop 231 00:36:54,180 --> 00:37:01,040 these sites to pay for decommissioning in case they go bankrupt or something. 232 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,200 Is that, has that been addressed? 233 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:06,040 Yes. 234 00:37:06,300 --> 00:37:12,940 So we, as part of our current ordinance, we're pretty specific, the biggest identification 235 00:37:12,940 --> 00:37:26,520 that we found is that the state code is actually going to, I don't want to say loosen, but it's going to loosen up our code a little bit when it comes to the year, the annual check-in. 236 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:28,660 So we're going to go from two years to five years. 237 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:33,920 There are some larger protections, though, in a sense that they've got to report away and transfer at least. 238 00:37:36,460 --> 00:37:38,980 And so that could be beneficial to the locality. 239 00:37:38,980 --> 00:37:51,160 It also says similar to the pre-construction condition unless otherwise agreed to by the landowner for the restoration of the land. 240 00:37:51,720 --> 00:37:55,060 I'm not sure what that's getting into the weeds a little bit. 241 00:37:55,660 --> 00:37:56,820 For the sake of it. 242 00:37:56,820 --> 00:38:03,100 Yeah, so yeah, to what degree the locality could be involved in that? 243 00:38:03,100 --> 00:38:11,240 If this is unless otherwise agreed to by the landowner, then say he's on page two, 244 00:38:11,540 --> 00:38:14,840 paragraph C, 1, 2, 4, 6 line down, maybe. 245 00:38:17,130 --> 00:38:22,290 The decommissioned plan shall provide for the removal facilities equipment from the landowner's 246 00:38:22,290 --> 00:38:28,470 property and return of the property to a useful condition similar to the pre-construction 247 00:38:28,470 --> 00:38:31,890 condition and less otherwise agreed to by the landowner. 248 00:38:31,890 --> 00:38:32,690 I 249 00:38:37,910 --> 00:38:39,170 guess I see, I 250 00:38:42,750 --> 00:38:45,710 thought we would want the land to be taken back to it. 251 00:38:46,070 --> 00:38:48,690 And I think the original condition- 252 00:38:48,690 --> 00:38:55,150 We don't agree with the decommissioning plan, and the project may not move forward. 253 00:38:55,670 --> 00:39:01,370 We would, who's on first, is this language on first, or is there language on first? 254 00:39:01,910 --> 00:39:03,570 Well, I think the great 255 00:39:08,660 --> 00:39:13,860 question, one for legal, to say, can the landowner change the agreement after, 256 00:39:14,620 --> 00:39:21,220 you know, a condition is attached to especially, well, but can we even attach a condition that 257 00:39:21,220 --> 00:39:30,540 says it must be, must be restored to as it was, when this says that the landowner and 258 00:39:30,540 --> 00:39:37,080 the developer can make a deal that we may not like, can we even put that condition on it? 259 00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:38,240 If 260 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:45,920 the state of Virginia does decide to take the local control away, 261 00:39:48,890 --> 00:39:50,250 is that saying that 262 00:39:50,250 --> 00:39:56,410 the town of Mount Jackson and center of county will be played by the same rules, the same 263 00:39:56,410 --> 00:40:06,570 locality, that means town well and cities, all local, okay, not just county. 264 00:40:07,470 --> 00:40:08,310 That's my understanding. 265 00:40:08,310 --> 00:40:09,070 I'm 266 00:40:15,340 --> 00:40:18,560 concerned that you're talking about the state, because specifically, but one of us comes 267 00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:23,220 to returning the land back to the heart condition, and I can see cases where like I think 268 00:40:23,220 --> 00:40:28,960 the one point on our page 6, under number 4, talks about the top of the ground, the whole 269 00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:33,900 state plan and the restored back to the heart condition, where we may want to actually keep 270 00:40:33,900 --> 00:40:38,800 that study graded and not restore it back to its ability to ensure that we're working 271 00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,080 out for other future development opportunities. 272 00:40:42,860 --> 00:40:48,340 Yeah, no, we have the ability that flexibility previously to like sort of have that conversation about the foreign plan. 273 00:40:48,340 --> 00:40:53,420 So I think we would have a similar conversation about a decommissioning plan. 274 00:40:53,660 --> 00:40:58,360 But I think the question is still out there. 275 00:40:58,720 --> 00:41:02,300 Should the landowner agree separately to something that a later date? 276 00:41:02,300 --> 00:41:10,720 I think we still hold the Linden are responsible for the SEP. 277 00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:19,180 So it may not be in their interest to separately agree to something that would put them in violation. 278 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,600 Okay, 25 years from now. 279 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:27,120 Very few of us that are in this room tonight is going to be here. 280 00:41:34,780 --> 00:41:38,760 So what are we opening our future folks up to? 281 00:41:40,260 --> 00:41:45,600 Whether it's future staff from an enforcement perspective, whether it's a future planning 282 00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:50,680 commission, what add, I think it's a great, no it's a great question to bring up the legal 283 00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,280 Because I think you're right, there's an inherent tension in that. 284 00:41:57,260 --> 00:42:01,840 And oftentimes you'll see at the next session they come in and clean up, things like this 285 00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:05,940 that attorneys from around the state bring up and say, whoa, whoa, whoa, we've left way 286 00:42:05,940 --> 00:42:08,480 too much open for this kind of thing. 287 00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:15,220 I think at the minimum, the bond can only be pursued for what we know, which is the original 288 00:42:15,220 --> 00:42:15,960 condition, right? 289 00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:23,140 So, you know, if the bond is correctly created, then at least it's going to be a cover 290 00:42:23,140 --> 00:42:23,440 of that. 291 00:42:23,620 --> 00:42:27,360 And then if there are, we get caught where, you know, the state's saying allow them 292 00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:28,360 to make modifications. 293 00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:34,000 There's still enough resources there to, it's not a resource issue, it's more of just 294 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:38,260 the authority to keep it rated because it's going to move into another user or something. 295 00:42:41,820 --> 00:42:45,840 So, we got a lot of staff work, staff energy to put into this. 296 00:42:46,900 --> 00:42:53,120 You can see these things, these are so dynamic, you know, power generation, the way solar 297 00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:54,680 just changes so quickly. 298 00:42:54,900 --> 00:42:59,040 I mean, you really, you know, this time next year when General Assemblyman, I'm sure 299 00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,240 that, you know, because there's a lot of things that didn't, but, you know, like you said, 300 00:43:02,300 --> 00:43:06,160 they're still, so it's one of those things that you really got to stay on top of it, it's 301 00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:10,540 one of, you know, I don't, maybe this is too broad of a statement, but we did so much work 302 00:43:10,540 --> 00:43:11,760 for the solar committee. 303 00:43:13,020 --> 00:43:16,100 I was reluctant to just take the draft from the attorney 304 00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:18,300 because he was like, you're sort of the standard one 305 00:43:18,300 --> 00:43:25,060 that I'm sharing because it kind of all that nuance 306 00:43:25,060 --> 00:43:27,300 that we put into the development of that code. 307 00:43:28,240 --> 00:43:30,100 I don't want to hold on to it just to hold on to it either. 308 00:43:30,300 --> 00:43:34,420 But I think they're trying to split the baby here 309 00:43:34,420 --> 00:43:37,280 with making sure our code is consistently 310 00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:42,780 with state code, but also that level of specificity is still cleared for any 311 00:43:42,780 --> 00:43:43,280 application. 312 00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:16,420 So do you need an answer on these definitions? So I mean if we don't 313 00:44:16,420 --> 00:44:23,340 have to stay so it's 30. But if we if the group is comfortable with us sort of 314 00:44:23,340 --> 00:44:28,440 moving forward with this plan then we'll start to make those changes and start 315 00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:33,140 running stuff through legal sort of as I was developing this I was starting to work in our code 316 00:44:33,700 --> 00:44:42,080 from a draft since but like I said I talked to the attorney today over the phone but he hasn't 317 00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:48,800 seen sort of what direction this might look like so we'd love to get that in front of him to get back 318 00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:57,380 to you all not necessarily by next Thursday but so that you could start to see what is all this mean 319 00:44:57,380 --> 00:44:58,480 and how it fits together 320 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:28,320 Of course, Gary has in front of him a rack letter, as well when it comes to data center specific recommendations from RAC. So making sure those are incorporated as part of the data center update at the same time. So trying to finesse this all together. And I kind of assume that we're going to want to see everything done before public hearing. So it will probably be, you know, at the October meeting, looking, 321 00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:32,700 looking at the code and then a November meeting for like a public hearing on 322 00:45:32,700 --> 00:45:40,340 something like that. I would obviously probably at least because you're right we 323 00:45:40,340 --> 00:45:44,880 don't want a gut existing with the existing cut but 324 00:45:46,990 --> 00:45:48,290 I thought you wanted to 325 00:45:48,290 --> 00:45:52,650 I would thought you wanted to specifically talk about standby generator on site 326 00:45:52,650 --> 00:45:59,650 fire generation and where to put the definition. So yeah I wanted people to 327 00:45:59,650 --> 00:46:02,750 sort of have a chance to look at it and see what that is. 328 00:46:02,830 --> 00:46:07,090 I'm sure there are folks that we kind of slice together 329 00:46:07,090 --> 00:46:09,110 this from a few different places. 330 00:46:09,430 --> 00:46:12,350 So making sure that that backup generation 331 00:46:12,350 --> 00:46:15,390 for any kind of facility is going to be permitted. 332 00:46:15,670 --> 00:46:19,350 But in our data center code, we were specific about cycling, 333 00:46:19,750 --> 00:46:21,950 when they can test, how often they can do that, 334 00:46:22,550 --> 00:46:23,530 those kinds of things. 335 00:46:24,170 --> 00:46:26,790 So those codes would still apply, but we would change that 336 00:46:26,790 --> 00:46:33,290 that from generators, which could encompass theoretically anything to emergency standby generator. 337 00:46:34,690 --> 00:46:36,290 And then on-site power, 338 00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:46,980 Jenna mentioned SMRs earlier, I think we've got to flush this 339 00:46:46,980 --> 00:46:54,060 out a little bit more to start to, what do we mean by on-site power generation and what 340 00:46:54,060 --> 00:46:55,040 the requirements would be. 341 00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,440 But I mean, that's all new to us, right? 342 00:46:57,580 --> 00:46:59,320 I mean, we haven't looked on have anything on that. 343 00:46:59,780 --> 00:47:00,060 It's correct. 344 00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:04,340 And it does seem like it's coming in different applications. 345 00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:04,940 What are doing? 346 00:47:05,540 --> 00:47:08,340 On the emergency standby generator, you know, we've got it 347 00:47:08,340 --> 00:47:12,680 under the data center now and pretty stringent. 348 00:47:13,500 --> 00:47:17,980 If you want, were you saying before maybe take it out 349 00:47:17,980 --> 00:47:22,220 of the data centers and make it more part 350 00:47:22,220 --> 00:47:23,380 of our universal code? 351 00:47:23,380 --> 00:47:27,760 So, not all the data centers but out of our energy ordinance. 352 00:47:28,380 --> 00:47:36,640 So our energy ordinance would, instead of 168-69, 169, we would move all those definitions 353 00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:42,180 into our regular zoning definition section, which would be, to me, more of a housekeeping, 354 00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:47,820 kind of issue, but these would be two new definitions to the entire zoning code. 355 00:47:47,820 --> 00:47:54,700 I guess my question is sort of, are we going to have one set of criteria for emergency 356 00:47:54,700 --> 00:48:00,360 standby generators wherever it is, or is it going to be more stringent possibly under 357 00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:05,820 the data center code than it would be in other applications? 358 00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:12,820 Right now, I think data center code is the only place that it would be more stringent 359 00:48:12,820 --> 00:48:13,480 be regulated. 360 00:48:16,130 --> 00:48:19,230 But is that something, I mean, it's something that we could look at incorporating 361 00:48:19,230 --> 00:48:26,850 into this energy code section so that any emergency, so one thing that we would want, 362 00:48:27,110 --> 00:48:33,550 so in our energy ordinance, we do currently have language around noise for solar facilities, 363 00:48:33,610 --> 00:48:39,990 right? We talked about some of the houses nearby and sort of that team sound from transformers near 364 00:48:39,990 --> 00:48:45,290 near the sites and we put in a DBA number. 365 00:48:46,010 --> 00:48:47,870 We've learned a lot more about noise. 366 00:48:48,090 --> 00:48:52,590 We have a really robust noise section 367 00:48:52,590 --> 00:48:54,610 in our data center ordinance. 368 00:48:55,110 --> 00:48:56,230 I was going to copy and paste that 369 00:48:56,230 --> 00:48:58,810 to replace the language here 370 00:48:58,810 --> 00:48:59,950 so that they would be consistent 371 00:49:00,410 --> 00:49:02,450 and you wouldn't have two different standards 372 00:49:02,970 --> 00:49:03,690 within the same method. 373 00:49:04,730 --> 00:49:06,290 And that's what kind of makes sense to me 374 00:49:06,290 --> 00:49:11,410 to me, to me, this would be an energy that's applicable to anything is generating value. 375 00:49:11,730 --> 00:49:17,950 I just wonder, I don't know all the applications in the county where we have emergency standby 376 00:49:17,950 --> 00:49:21,970 generators, the office, the hospitals, rooms, and other places like that. 377 00:49:22,710 --> 00:49:29,630 If we make the standards as strict as we are proposing for the data centers, do they become 378 00:49:29,630 --> 00:49:36,430 two-strict for some of these other applications and make it so burdensome that I 379 00:49:37,110 --> 00:49:44,350 don't know. Well it'd be a, we're in a, not to put you on the spot but if that were the case 380 00:49:44,350 --> 00:49:48,250 we'd be able to think about putting emergency standby generators as part of an 381 00:49:48,250 --> 00:49:56,470 allowing accessory use for probably all of our zoning districts but then you're 382 00:49:56,470 --> 00:50:02,830 right, there would be a standard set and we may want to look at what that would look like. 383 00:50:03,430 --> 00:50:07,910 I mean, we can share with you that for many Armenian factors, for instance, if they 384 00:50:07,910 --> 00:50:14,870 lose power and they don't have a backup generator, even if that equipment is lost for a second, 385 00:50:15,110 --> 00:50:20,510 some of them is ours before they're able to restart that equipment, it goes through the process 386 00:50:20,510 --> 00:50:28,470 of getting it up and running. So if our manufacturer is losing power for even a short moment and 387 00:50:28,470 --> 00:50:34,130 it quickly comes back on, it can be, it can have huge consequences for their productivity. 388 00:50:38,540 --> 00:50:39,820 It's pretty standard for most of them. 389 00:50:44,410 --> 00:50:54,750 I think I would echo Mr. Fagan's point is we're in a scenario where we have, you know, specific code written tailored for really one unique application. 390 00:50:55,390 --> 00:51:02,570 I think that that was a, you know, the correct way to approach that, we've often talked 391 00:51:02,570 --> 00:51:08,490 about how to bring some of these new zoning concepts across all zoning, but I would want 392 00:51:08,490 --> 00:51:14,710 to be, I would not want to have an unattended negative implication for any other sector 393 00:51:14,710 --> 00:51:16,750 that's using a backup emergency generator. 394 00:51:16,850 --> 00:51:23,050 So I think that I would like to think we could keep the more stringent specified, as unique 395 00:51:23,050 --> 00:51:31,210 kind of limitations for data centers and spelt out in that chapter so that we know that that's applicable because like a duty cycle may not apply to a 396 00:51:32,230 --> 00:51:40,010 manufacturing facility for milk, but you know they have maybe their own unique aspects and then I just would want us to then either through the 397 00:51:41,810 --> 00:51:52,410 some sort of outreach to industry to make sure that you know are there other best practices or other terms or concepts we need to incorporate into this you know we're not specifying the type of 398 00:51:53,050 --> 00:51:58,810 energy generation, but maybe there's some nuance between a diesel versus propane generator. 399 00:51:59,110 --> 00:52:06,210 And so understanding that fully before we lock this into code, I think would be a prudent step. 400 00:52:06,970 --> 00:52:13,570 But I think that the eventual goal of trying to align them is possible. But I think in the case 401 00:52:13,570 --> 00:52:18,450 of data centers, it's such a unique rapidly evolving space where I think we need to keep those 402 00:52:18,450 --> 00:52:21,190 was really locked in in this period of time. 403 00:52:22,010 --> 00:52:22,730 I would agree. 404 00:52:23,810 --> 00:52:27,770 And I think that's the way to go, because this data center 405 00:52:29,890 --> 00:52:34,610 phenomenon has barred to what we're at, to my opinion. 406 00:52:35,090 --> 00:52:36,090 And so I think you're right. 407 00:52:36,230 --> 00:52:38,890 I think public perception is they're 408 00:52:38,890 --> 00:52:40,230 taking this thing serious. 409 00:52:40,930 --> 00:52:43,350 But on the other hand, when we move forward, 410 00:52:43,350 --> 00:52:50,830 could we have like a tier two type of emergency, you know, back up that we have in the code 411 00:52:51,430 --> 00:52:55,170 that if an industry comes in and looks at it, we'll have something to point to them. 412 00:52:55,250 --> 00:52:59,010 And this is what we have, and we'll have in our tool bottle if we need it. 413 00:52:59,410 --> 00:53:04,230 I mean, for me working on this thing, you know, why come back and reinvent the wheel six months 414 00:53:04,230 --> 00:53:10,170 down the road, if a prospective industry is requesting some emergency back up? 415 00:53:12,290 --> 00:53:17,550 Yeah, it's not something to your point we've regulated before, so I think having a definition 416 00:53:17,550 --> 00:53:23,710 to differentiate between the on-site power generation and that emergency backup is important 417 00:53:23,710 --> 00:53:29,470 but you're right as far as what the restrictions are around that may not be defined just 418 00:53:29,470 --> 00:53:29,650 yet. 419 00:53:31,700 --> 00:53:38,020 And there are, of course, industries or experts in the emergency backup field so we could 420 00:53:38,020 --> 00:53:41,920 also reject them and ask them, you know, or there are other terminology or 421 00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:46,940 pieces that we might think about or include, you know, I don't know, it's adding more 422 00:53:46,940 --> 00:53:51,840 tasks to the, to the project, but just it's for due diligence. 423 00:53:53,680 --> 00:54:00,200 Well, and even if the, some of those requirements that we don't regulate that, 424 00:54:00,500 --> 00:54:06,140 like the cycling and stuff, we hadn't regulated that before, it'd been so 425 00:54:06,140 --> 00:54:12,080 specific but yeah is that a restriction and maybe the industry folks may say 426 00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:15,300 like actually that's a fair point that you might want to protect your 427 00:54:15,300 --> 00:54:21,600 community with so but if someone comes in today and asks to stay up about the 428 00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:27,140 backup system what do you tell what do you have you have in criteria any what 429 00:54:27,140 --> 00:54:34,200 would you have run or somebody's at the town probably just you know size and 430 00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:41,100 appropriately appropriately for your project. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean, I think to 431 00:54:41,100 --> 00:54:46,620 to Jenna's point, you know, the manufacturers, the industry who needs it is 432 00:54:46,620 --> 00:54:49,420 going to build it into their site plan, build it into their building plans, 433 00:54:49,660 --> 00:54:52,700 and otherwise they'd follow the building code and make sure that the 434 00:54:52,700 --> 00:54:56,080 electrics hooked up properly, you know, all that kind of stuff would just follow 435 00:54:56,080 --> 00:55:02,980 up a notch, you know, we get permission. No, I think that yeah, generally those are 436 00:55:02,980 --> 00:55:05,720 You're considered sort of by right, you need that for your operations. 437 00:55:08,460 --> 00:55:14,180 I was just going to say maybe just, you know, I have a property hotel property as a stand by a generator. 438 00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:20,600 I would not want to comply with the data center requirements, you know, to exactly to your point. 439 00:55:20,900 --> 00:55:23,320 But the big issue is really the number of generators. 440 00:55:23,820 --> 00:55:31,300 You know, your most uses that are just using, you know, a generator, maybe even just run part of their power, just going to have one. 441 00:55:31,300 --> 00:55:35,140 that's when you get into the, you know, having, you know, 20 of them. 442 00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:39,840 That's what that 100 megawatt need versus, yeah, like whatever you're normal. 443 00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:42,540 Yeah, you're just running, you're just running critical services. 444 00:55:42,540 --> 00:55:45,420 You know, emergency lights elevate, one elevator, that type of thing. 445 00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:47,480 So, but anyway, it sounds like it's fair point. 446 00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:48,460 Keeping it. 447 00:55:48,460 --> 00:55:51,280 Well, in the further drill into that, you know, one of the things that, 448 00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:54,560 depending on the type of fuel that you used, you know, 449 00:55:54,620 --> 00:55:57,100 if we stay with the conventional fossil fuel power, 450 00:55:57,720 --> 00:55:59,840 you're either on a pipeline or you're on a store fuel. 451 00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:03,480 So, you know, when you start looking at store fuel, depending on the size of the unit, 452 00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:07,700 you may have a significant fuel storage solution. 453 00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:12,860 So something we probably not ready to regulate in the past two, but, you know, a graceful 454 00:56:12,860 --> 00:56:17,160 way to kind of talk about that, too, like I'm sure there's other interesting regulations 455 00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:22,120 that, like, you know, address fuel storage, but, like, you know, what are they, you know, 456 00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:28,740 do we reference them, speaking of, you know, you know, you get into EPA and do you stuff 457 00:56:28,740 --> 00:56:29,280 fuel storage? 458 00:56:33,540 --> 00:56:40,410 So yeah, the next time you would see one site power, you know, we'll have a page page and a half of sort of 459 00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:43,940 Those kind of things started starting to get outlined 460 00:56:43,940 --> 00:56:46,200 You know the types of 461 00:56:46,740 --> 00:56:47,840 One-site power generation 462 00:56:48,900 --> 00:56:53,600 Where those setback requirements those kinds of things that would be part of any other 463 00:57:07,510 --> 00:57:11,650 energy is increasing higher and higher on that list of priorities that are 464 00:57:11,650 --> 00:57:16,410 businesses looking for in terms of time. He always here these days, time to get up 465 00:57:16,410 --> 00:57:20,130 and running is like one of the most critical things. Well right now, energies 466 00:57:20,130 --> 00:57:23,350 and short supply. So that is one of the things that industries are really looking 467 00:57:23,350 --> 00:57:27,630 at. Where is the power? You're looking at where the power is. It used to be where 468 00:57:27,630 --> 00:57:31,470 the workforce is and that's still critical, but it should be more towards 469 00:57:31,470 --> 00:57:32,410 where its power is. 470 00:57:34,170 --> 00:57:36,510 So while I know this all comes up, because the data centers 471 00:57:36,510 --> 00:57:38,530 we're seeing more and more made in factors. 472 00:57:38,930 --> 00:57:40,830 In fact, thank for scalars, of course, 473 00:57:40,990 --> 00:57:45,770 of the main thing we hear about when it comes to data centers 474 00:57:45,770 --> 00:57:48,330 and the huge energy usage that they have. 475 00:57:48,490 --> 00:57:50,270 But in some cases, there are many manufacturers 476 00:57:50,270 --> 00:57:53,230 that are utilizing more energy than data centers. 477 00:57:53,610 --> 00:57:55,490 We had a project lead come in yesterday 478 00:57:55,490 --> 00:58:00,690 that actually was requiring a gigabyte of energy 479 00:58:00,690 --> 00:58:04,770 within four years, not at a center, right? 480 00:58:05,150 --> 00:58:07,750 So we're looking at manufacturing projects as well 481 00:58:07,750 --> 00:58:09,170 that require more and more. 482 00:58:10,390 --> 00:58:11,850 So just keep that in the back of your mind. 483 00:58:12,010 --> 00:58:15,010 If we are not forward also in terms of thinking about access 484 00:58:15,010 --> 00:58:18,130 to energy, we are going to probably hit a point at some point 485 00:58:18,650 --> 00:58:20,410 where we are not able to take on industry 486 00:58:20,410 --> 00:58:21,990 because we don't have the capacity. 487 00:58:23,750 --> 00:58:25,450 And just, you know, a play that we've always had 488 00:58:25,450 --> 00:58:28,570 to hit a little bit on this, I think there is also 489 00:58:28,570 --> 00:58:33,490 consideration here from the public that, you know, if we're having to build out for their 490 00:58:33,490 --> 00:58:38,450 transmission and all of these things that's causing my energy crisis to come up, or be increased 491 00:58:38,450 --> 00:58:43,810 as well, having on stage generation where they're powering your own facility, maybe a way 492 00:58:43,810 --> 00:58:47,350 of getting around to catching the cost on things. 493 00:58:47,590 --> 00:58:47,770 Yeah, 494 00:58:55,750 --> 00:58:57,050 I guess I've echoed what Ms. Taylor said. 495 00:58:57,250 --> 00:59:01,970 I mean, we went in our outreach to the Virginia Association counties and their expert, we're 496 00:59:02,610 --> 00:59:04,130 way out in the front edge of this. 497 00:59:04,130 --> 00:59:09,970 So, you know, finding a way to, like, you know, maybe, you know, what we'd call it by for 498 00:59:09,970 --> 00:59:10,530 cutting down. 499 00:59:10,810 --> 00:59:15,670 We had to recognize it all involved, but, you know, have something that, you know, helps 500 00:59:15,670 --> 00:59:21,710 us understand kind of our priorities, but, I don't know that we want to become the leading 501 00:59:21,710 --> 00:59:30,070 zoning expert on, on, say, power generation, you know, who, you know, so, yeah, we didn't 502 00:59:30,070 --> 00:59:30,630 get much back. 503 00:59:30,630 --> 00:59:33,830 No, Joe didn't get much there. 504 00:59:34,130 --> 00:59:37,370 Other NACA resources were better to set out than them. 505 00:59:38,430 --> 00:59:43,210 Because he had more, he had more different states and stuff to get a little bit more. 506 00:59:44,390 --> 00:59:50,050 And then we get the one-side power area, that right now would be in the energy ordinance. 507 00:59:51,430 --> 00:59:57,210 So it would be, in the energy ordinance, it would be a reference course to the data center. 508 00:59:57,210 --> 00:59:59,690 Well later it would be 509 01:00:00,210 --> 01:00:29,070 If they generate their own power, which I know, that's what, to the jitter's point, I think that's, I think what's going to see more of. People generate their own power, because that's, I mean, it's happening at the national level and just trying to build there. Adding it to that sort of, that these are going to be considered large, you know, even if your project is two megawatts instead of 100 megawatts, we're going to consider if you're doing on-site power generation as a separate use that needs approval as part of a project. 510 01:00:29,070 --> 01:00:29,210 That's correct. 511 01:00:29,390 --> 01:00:29,650 Okay. 512 01:00:30,250 --> 01:00:32,810 And since it was, it would require that as a special use. 513 01:00:32,950 --> 01:00:33,150 Correct. 514 01:00:33,590 --> 01:00:39,490 And then I'm sure you'll build out all those other criteria that we would use, require, 515 01:00:39,930 --> 01:00:41,850 in order for them to apply for that. 516 01:00:42,110 --> 01:00:42,270 Correct. 517 01:00:42,530 --> 01:00:42,650 Okay. 518 01:00:46,530 --> 01:00:50,690 Which would look, I mean, essentially, you know, having walked through, was it just in the 519 01:00:50,690 --> 01:00:53,030 January of this year that we approved the solar? 520 01:00:53,550 --> 01:01:00,370 You know, they're 250-page submittal that was part of that application, if a large scale energy 521 01:01:00,370 --> 01:01:06,090 project would be what we would expect for any one site power generation is right those kinds 522 01:01:06,090 --> 01:01:10,370 of analyses so that the planning commission and the board has the most information to make the 523 01:01:10,370 --> 01:01:17,010 best informed to send you know your thoughts and your initial preliminary versions going to require 524 01:01:17,010 --> 01:01:22,550 clone many of the same components from data centers like have a not just the decommissioned bomb but 525 01:01:22,550 --> 01:01:29,320 have a puppet all those sorts of things it would be part I think that's part of the large skills 526 01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:32,760 energy stuff anyway so yeah it would be I 527 01:01:40,820 --> 01:01:42,640 guess the genus point too is do we 528 01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:47,580 want to bring in our energy partners like we did with solar they may have some 529 01:01:47,580 --> 01:01:52,300 unique perspectives it may be worth sort of flushing through this once and 530 01:01:52,300 --> 01:01:56,060 then sharing it with them to I mean I don't think I should have out of that 531 01:01:56,060 --> 01:01:59,200 cooperative doesn't do generation-like transmission but they have a generation 532 01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:04,240 and armed. I think it would act maybe. And then, of course, the media. So I mean, you 533 01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:07,300 have a version and then we'd reflect on it as well. 534 01:02:18,380 --> 01:02:20,380 So there's also a change to screening 535 01:02:20,380 --> 01:02:22,160 and fencing number nine. 536 01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:34,480 So it drops to like, five, one, five foot. I think we were trying 537 01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:43,420 to get this standard, you know, solid looking player that was planted and they set three 538 01:02:43,420 --> 01:02:49,460 three feet instead of four, and there must be 25 to 50 feet wide, which I think might be 539 01:02:49,460 --> 01:02:56,380 bigger than what we've actually have in our state. I think some of that buffer stuff 540 01:02:56,380 --> 01:02:59,960 is what we were trying to build out from data center one that isn't complete yet, so we'll 541 01:02:59,960 --> 01:03:05,360 try to make those consistent. Well, but we also want to screen from the solar 542 01:03:20,500 --> 01:03:28,320 So you're going to take these and massage the code to try to get a consistent with the 543 01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:32,200 state and then come back to us with recommended language. 544 01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:37,920 And I'm going to work with the legal team, like, if we put in a caveat at the beginning 545 01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:43,540 of our code and always don't touch everything else, can we just say this 546 01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:48,720 language in the 547 01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:54,380 bottom left for any projects that meet solar photovoltaic project subject to 548 01:03:54,380 --> 01:03:58,720 Virginia code and those rules will be applicable or do we need to say 549 01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:05,480 specifically for screening and printing except for solar projects this is our 550 01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:11,540 expectation and so yeah that's that massaging will take place with that 551 01:04:11,540 --> 01:04:13,060 recommended best practice with me. 552 01:04:40,010 --> 01:04:41,550 How do we, I'm 553 01:04:43,790 --> 01:04:45,030 going to be careful in this one. 554 01:04:55,900 --> 01:05:01,490 Number 15. Now how can this come back in bias? 555 01:05:06,310 --> 01:05:08,370 So I think what I'm identifying is that 556 01:05:09,690 --> 01:05:18,850 something that we talked about with them is the state code, so it gives us enough language 557 01:05:18,850 --> 01:05:26,510 to play with, I think our 50-acre limit is still okay, but I basically want to triple 558 01:05:26,510 --> 01:05:28,950 check that to your key point. 559 01:05:29,470 --> 01:05:33,770 It says right here that the landowner can change it at any time, you know, make sure there's 560 01:05:33,770 --> 01:05:39,710 nothing like that hidden in there that wouldn't invalidate the 50-acre gap. 561 01:05:40,770 --> 01:05:45,870 Well, and then going back to the definition question, which I think the group's agreement 562 01:05:45,870 --> 01:05:50,510 was keeping it into two acres, it was like if we have acreage in there in our definitions 563 01:05:50,510 --> 01:05:55,990 and it also ties into a cap that you know we're not trying to parse like you know well you 564 01:05:55,990 --> 01:06:01,070 know is it you know how many megawatts is a you know a 50 acre site which is real work again 565 01:06:01,070 --> 01:06:05,530 it's back to the cotton land you know we're locked in on on that land component but hopefully 566 01:06:05,530 --> 01:06:11,250 you'll you'll find a way through that dilemma yes well 567 01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:15,720 with that I'll sort of I'll move forward 568 01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:21,640 We're drafting a version to share with legal and then start going back and forth, but 569 01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:26,540 I think to your point with Neko and some of these other resources, this is new to them 570 01:06:26,540 --> 01:06:26,780 too. 571 01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:32,080 So this may be one of those things where you know, what's moving target. 572 01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:33,360 Exactly. 573 01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:42,080 And I do think our code is so robust that a lot of this applies versus if we didn't have 574 01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:45,360 You know a robust code that we just be like okay, let's follow the state standard 575 01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:53,220 So I think it you know in a way as a credit to the to the level of detail that we put in a few years ago 576 01:06:53,860 --> 01:06:54,300 so 577 01:06:55,120 --> 01:07:00,480 We won't rush this either, but we'll try to make sure that it sort of meets that intent from that 2023 578 01:07:02,500 --> 01:07:02,940 Who 579 01:07:05,850 --> 01:07:07,590 knows maybe Brinnell be presenting 580 01:07:07,590 --> 01:07:08,570 at the next 581 01:07:09,370 --> 01:07:13,710 We're planning conference about rural locality's managing state code changes. 582 01:07:17,090 --> 01:07:18,250 We're flodders. 583 01:07:18,430 --> 01:07:19,470 This is how you handle it. 584 01:07:26,220 --> 01:07:26,800 So 585 01:07:29,740 --> 01:07:30,660 is there a general? 586 01:07:30,860 --> 01:07:31,680 I guess can I ask. 587 01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:35,280 Just general consensus to move forward with what was presented tonight. 588 01:07:35,540 --> 01:07:41,000 The generator draft and we'll come back in the future. 589 01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:50,980 for us to pull it all together between the data center work and energy code my hope would 590 01:07:50,980 --> 01:07:57,480 be that you know by October we've got a draft that we can that we can share or workshop 591 01:07:57,480 --> 01:08:02,300 and then whether we think it's ready for prime time or or not we'll at least have something 592 01:08:02,300 --> 01:08:02,860 to work with. 593 01:08:02,860 --> 01:08:08,900 the wall softly. Yeah, it's right, it's right, it's right, it's right. Yeah, you're right. 594 01:08:09,180 --> 01:08:15,000 Sure. I'll do it right and tweak it. Well, we'll continue working. Obviously, we've got 595 01:08:15,500 --> 01:08:20,900 a lot of, a lot of things that we're working on at the moment. So, we'll, we'll keep the pedal down 596 01:08:20,900 --> 01:08:22,160 and one 597 01:08:25,870 --> 01:08:32,770 thing is, if it's doable, when you're, when you're making the tweaks, if we can identify 598 01:08:32,770 --> 01:08:38,930 by what it was currently and when it's gonna look like that way, we can look at it and say 599 01:08:38,930 --> 01:08:47,570 okay, it said ABC before, now it says ABCDE, okay, we didn't completely wipe everything out. 600 01:08:48,010 --> 01:08:48,630 No, absolutely. 601 01:08:48,890 --> 01:08:49,730 We'll do it with truck changes. 602 01:08:50,310 --> 01:08:50,750 An version. 603 01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:55,860 Thanks. 604 01:08:57,480 --> 01:08:59,260 Any other discussion? 605 01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:03,280 Gary, anything dead? 606 01:09:03,900 --> 01:09:04,760 No, we're good. 607 01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:07,380 Anybody else? 608 01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:11,420 Go in once, Mark, anything? 609 01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:14,500 I'm asking you to let go of me. 610 01:09:16,500 --> 01:09:17,600 Go for sure of love. 611 01:09:20,300 --> 01:09:21,600 Just Ferguson, anything? 612 01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:23,360 Okay. 613 01:09:24,480 --> 01:09:25,360 We're adjourned. 614 01:09:29,100 --> 01:09:30,040 Mark, sorry. 615 01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:32,880 I need to get some holes there. 616 01:09:33,440 --> 01:09:34,560 Oh no, I got no need here too. 617 01:09:35,820 --> 01:09:37,600 Yeah, I better turn it into a game show. 618 01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:39,480 Well, I'm so glad you're doing it. 619 01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:40,420 Yeah. 620 01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:42,940 Okay, let's go. 621 01:09:43,500 --> 01:09:43,640 Yeah. 622 01:09:46,360 --> 01:09:46,860 Okay. 623 01:09:48,460 --> 01:09:48,900 Thanks, Tommy. 624 01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:51,540 Bye, Debbie. 625 01:09:52,340 --> 01:09:52,800 Bye, Debbie. 626 01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:53,160 Bye, Debbie. 627 01:09:53,220 --> 01:09:53,360 Bye, Debbie. 628 01:09:54,240 --> 01:09:55,080 Bye, Debbie. 629 01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:58,780 I don't know how to do it, but I think why am I just going to get some peace. 630 01:09:59,340 --> 01:10:01,020 I don't know how to do it. 631 01:10:01,180 --> 01:10:01,640 I don't know how to do it. 632 01:10:01,860 --> 01:10:02,980 Well, I didn't think that.