1 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:06,760 Okay. So, >> Too much to talk of. 2 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:08,800 » You're welcome. >> How are you doing? 3 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:11,920 » What do you mean? You're here and you want to lead the 4 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:16,400 prayer? Okay. I'll give it to you when you're done. 5 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:20,120 All right. Let's pray. Lord, I just thank you 6 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:24,480 for the opportunity to meet today. I I just ask for wisdom within our 7 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:28,560 conversations that we would make decisions that are wise and good for the 8 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:31,880 town, good for the people that live here. We are so grateful for this 9 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:35,360 opportunity. Thank you for the sunshine and the cooler weather. We trust you 10 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:38,160 and we love you. It's in Jesus' name we pray. Amen. 11 00:00:36,160 --> 00:00:42,960 » Amen. >> Pledge of Allegiance to the flag 12 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:48,960 of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one 13 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:52,840 nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 14 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:59,160 » Want to bless the apple tree and for the Constitution. 15 00:00:59,880 --> 00:01:03,240 I still remember it. 16 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:08,720 All right. 17 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:12,840 » We're recording but not live. I don't have to work. 18 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:15,520 » Do we have Greg on? 19 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:19,280 » Yes. >> Just standing by? 20 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:24,000 » We do now. I didn't Oh, we do now. >> All right. 21 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:30,000 Okay. So, we're going to start at the top of the list with a public hearing 22 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:34,840 for the 2026 budget. And 23 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:37,480 we are here to take any comments on the budget. 24 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:45,960 Hi, Greg. >> Hi. 25 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:50,960 Yeah. Sorry, it glitched out. 26 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:50,960 » have any comments on the budget? 27 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:58,560 » Can you hear us? >> It's so quiet. 28 00:01:56,240 --> 00:02:01,000 I can't hear you, Greg. Come on, Greg. 29 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:03,520 » We don't have an IT guy here, so >> Oh, no. 30 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:10,160 » It's sign language. >> We can see him. 31 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:13,080 » How about now? I can hear you. 32 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:16,600 » There, there he is. >> We can hear you. 33 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:16,600 » Good. 34 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:25,000 All right. So, I opened the hearing and nobody has said anything. 35 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:29,160 Do you have anything you'd like to add, Greg? 36 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:35,400 » Well, it other than you know, I know the council's worked really hard and I'm 37 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:43,480 putting together the budget. We put the form three on gateway. Form 38 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:46,800 three shows some proposed tax levies as compared to the current tax levy and 39 00:02:45,640 --> 00:02:53,560 average we advertise those high as we always do. 40 00:02:50,200 --> 00:03:00,600 Your maximum levy growth quotient is 4%, so you will not go over the 4% no matter 41 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:07,040 what the state will cut you back and as I told the council, you'll lose half if 42 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:15,040 not all of that next year due to the new $300 credit the lesser of 10% or $300. 43 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:21,440 So, we've got to be very very careful and and that's why I recommended not to 44 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:27,440 exceed 3% on the salaries and next year we might be dealing with zero. 45 00:03:24,239 --> 00:03:33,239 You just don't know. Uh zero in the growth quotient, which means maybe 46 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:38,640 hard to even give a raise. So, that's was my guidance in the all day workshop 47 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:44,320 that we had and it is still my guidance at this point in time. So, I will yield 48 00:03:41,519 --> 00:03:47,000 the floor back. >> Thank you, Greg. 49 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:51,760 Do you guys have any questions for Greg? 50 00:03:55,120 --> 00:04:03,520 » Here's your opportunity going once, twice, 51 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:06,840 three times. All right, we'll close the public 52 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:10,920 hearing. Thank you, Greg. >> Sure, do you need me for anything else 53 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:15,680 tonight? >> I think we're okay. 54 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,680 » I know you're okay. 55 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:19,959 » I heard you have an appointment. We'll let you go. 56 00:04:18,280 --> 00:04:21,160 » Thank you very much. Have a good evening. 57 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:23,400 » Thanks, Greg. >> Bye. 58 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,040 » All right. 59 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:32,680 We need a motion to 60 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:36,560 accept the agenda. >> go back. Sorry. 61 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:40,080 » I make a motion to accept the agenda with flex flexibilities. 62 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:42,280 » I second. >> Have a motion and a second. All in 63 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:45,000 favor? >> Aye. 64 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:51,400 » Aye. And opposed? That was easy. 65 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:54,800 I'm going to skip down to the PD because they have someplace they need to go. 66 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:04,760 » Just monthly reports for August. 67 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:10,080 So, just looks like typical. Nothing's really changed and we're down on 68 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:14,880 our traffic stops since it's pretty much two of us and 69 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:18,680 Brian graduates tomorrow, so we'll Everything goes as planned, he'll be 70 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:22,480 starting next Wednesday. So, like I said, 71 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:25,520 uh like a lot of our stats are down. We've definitely got our agency assist 72 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:28,840 her up and then extra patrols are up cuz the school. 73 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:32,960 We're trying to make sure that we have at least an officer there twice a day 74 00:05:31,280 --> 00:05:35,960 checking schools out. Make sure everyone's getting dropped off 75 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:39,200 and picked up. And uh 76 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:42,680 library details are down, case reports are down. 77 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:45,440 And crash reports are normally high around this time of year 78 00:05:43,919 --> 00:05:50,240 cuz people like to back into to other up there. this degree. 79 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:56,200 So, I think that's pretty much it on my end. Do you guys got any questions? 80 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:57,480 » None for me. >> Thank you. 81 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,960 » Thanks. >> Thank you. 82 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:04,760 » That was easy. 10:00 tomorrow? 83 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:04,760 All right. See you. 84 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:12,000 I'll be nice and let you go, too, before I go back. 85 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:15,360 Come on up, Lyle. >> have to leave early. 86 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:19,120 » I might have to. >> I mean, he's got three things here. 87 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:23,080 Maybe I should have him sit back down. >> Uh two things, actually. I don't The one 88 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:25,760 was just a quote to show 89 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:29,440 um I'm trying to get multiple quotes. So, 90 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:33,240 working on this engine that we have coming for next year, um 91 00:06:31,840 --> 00:06:37,600 the new engine that's replacing engine 22, the pumper. So, just trying to get 92 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:42,000 our uh equipment on order so we have everything 93 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:46,600 here for that. Um I sent out the two different companies an equipment list 94 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:50,600 that we want for that truck. And uh the one I got back I got it back from 95 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:54,120 McQueen Emergency and from Hoosier Fire Equipment. Hoosier Fire Equipment was 96 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:58,919 the most responsive with the equipment that we're looking for and having the um 97 00:06:56,840 --> 00:07:03,000 a quote for the stuff that we want. So, my request would be to have town council 98 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:06,720 approve the purchase from Hoosier Fire for a total of $19,915.31. 99 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:12,400 And uh I'd like to use the lit public safety funds for that. 100 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:15,919 » I have one comment on it. I don't know what you think about it. 101 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:20,840 Surely share it with you. Then what do you think? It still has that 25% 102 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:25,080 restocking fee that we've talked about getting negotiated away. Is that 103 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:29,200 something you think they'll do or is it not worth even talking about? 104 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:33,120 » Um the 25% restocking fee is if we order something and we say, "No, we don't want 105 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:37,080 this anymore. Take it back." That would be the only time we would get the 25%. 106 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:39,800 If it's an error that they made, then they stand behind their their product. 107 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:43,080 Um >> And you think it's fair for us to get 108 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:47,920 charged 25% if you order? I'm just asking because it's not normal to me. 109 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:50,480 » I mean, I I guess I don't I don't know. I 110 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:54,480 » Okay. Well, I just >> Before, so quotes that we've had before, 111 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:57,560 I've asked them to >> Take it out. 112 00:07:55,040 --> 00:08:01,080 » take that out and and change it and they did it one time and then they might 113 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:03,080 not have done it on this one. I didn't catch that. I usually try to go through 114 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:05,760 and catch that stuff. >> That's my only comment. Sorry. Don't 115 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:09,720 know why they keep putting that in there. It seems unreasonable. 116 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:12,520 » Mhm. >> Uh looks like stuff you're not likely to 117 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:15,200 return anyway. >> Oh, exactly. 118 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,200 » Yeah. 119 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:19,120 Okay. 120 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:26,560 » Is it something we can approve if they remove it? 121 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:29,680 » And as long as it doesn't mess up what he's trying to do with it. 122 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:31,680 I don't know how hard it is to They have done it in 123 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:34,360 the past. >> They have, yeah. 124 00:08:32,479 --> 00:08:36,080 » And I don't know why they keep doing 125 00:08:34,719 --> 00:08:40,440 » Yeah, they've they've changed that in the past. However, the the stuff that's 126 00:08:38,039 --> 00:08:44,400 on this quote is all stuff that we need to have on that truck anyways. 127 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:46,280 So, it's not like we're not going to return. 128 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:49,400 » Let's see, if you don't use it on this truck, would you use it somewhere else? 129 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:52,800 » Yeah, if if we can't put it on this truck, we can put it on one of the other 130 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:55,880 trucks. >> And do we pay by credit card? 131 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:59,600 Is there a No. Okay. >> No, we'll send a check. 132 00:08:57,680 --> 00:09:01,120 » I just saw that there was a 3% service fee. 133 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:04,240 » Mhm. >> It could if there wasn't. 134 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:06,320 » Yeah. >> Yeah. 135 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:19,200 » Yeah, as long as you're comfortable that there won't be any return stuff. 136 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:25,600 » Uh yeah, I'm comfortable with it. I've I've dealt with them through Goshen Fire 137 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:29,120 Department as well and um got some stuff that we bought through 138 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:32,560 them ended up not fitting the equipment that we had. It was kind of a we didn't 139 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:36,520 know that what we needed, they didn't know what we were looking for and they 140 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:40,840 ended up returning it without the 25% restocking fee. So, they're 141 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:45,800 again, it's on the contract, but we've been had a working relationship with 142 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:45,800 them and haven't had any issues. 143 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:52,280 But, I can always I mean, just ask him to to change that if we 144 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:53,800 » I think I think going forward >> Mhm. 145 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:56,680 » I think I think going forward, but just remind him that 146 00:09:55,560 --> 00:09:58,120 would be >> Okay. 147 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:03,640 » that would be well. Make a motion to approve the quote from 148 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:07,640 who's your fire equipment ink for $19,915.31. 149 00:10:06,560 --> 00:10:09,840 » Second. >> I have a motion and a second. All in 150 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:12,640 favor? >> I. 151 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:16,320 » I. Opposed? What else you got, Lyle? 152 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:21,120 » Uh the second thing is a saw purchase from All Hands Fire Equipment. Uh if you 153 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:23,400 remember earlier this year, we bought a cordless 154 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:27,920 uh circular saw from them um to start 155 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:33,000 phasing out our gas equipment. And so, this would be battery saws to add on to 156 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:36,400 the new truck. Um instead of trying to buy any more gas equipment, we'll just 157 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:41,240 continue the trend of buying battery tools. So, this is for two Husqvarna 158 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:45,360 saws. One's a chainsaw, one's a um circular saw. So, I request council 159 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:49,000 approve the quote from All Hands Fire Equipment for $4,899.80. 160 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:53,560 Also paid from the public safety. 161 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:57,160 » So >> Second. 162 00:10:55,680 --> 00:10:58,480 » I have a motion and a second. All in favor? 163 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:01,600 » I. >> I. 164 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:01,600 » And opposed? 165 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:09,360 » So, that will complete most of the purchases that we need for that truck 166 00:11:06,680 --> 00:11:13,000 other than um some Milwaukee hand tools that we'll end up buying through Alpha. 167 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:16,360 Um they give us a pretty good deal on on their cordless tools. And then also, 168 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:20,800 just some radio equipment that we'll have to buy, which 169 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:23,320 will be expensive, but um I'm working on getting quotes around for that now, so 170 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:24,680 we can get that purchase started as well. 171 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:26,680 » All right. Thank you. >> Anything else for me? 172 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:27,960 » Thank you. >> No. 173 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:30,360 » All right. >> Thank you. 174 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:33,040 » Okay. 175 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:44,680 I'm jumping all over. We're going to get you guys out, too, if 176 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:44,680 you want um tax abatement. 177 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:49,440 Unless you want to sit here through the whole list. 178 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:54,240 » I can't, but I'm happy to go. So, hi. Uh I'm Sherry 179 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:59,160 Johnson with the LaGrange County Economic Development Corporation. 180 00:11:56,440 --> 00:12:03,920 Um I'm happy to support a request for a 10-year tax abatement for Prime Property 181 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:08,200 doing business as E&S Sales. E&S Sales has been a valued and growing 182 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:12,400 partnership to Wana the Shipshewana business community, and they are now 183 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:16,800 preparing a significant $10 million investment in their operations. This 184 00:12:14,680 --> 00:12:21,120 expansion represents not only a major financial commitment to Shipshewana, but 185 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:25,200 also an important opportunity to strengthen the local economy, retain and 186 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:28,120 create jobs, and support continued growth in Shipshewana's commercial 187 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:32,600 sector. The project includes a 40 by 320 new 188 00:12:30,560 --> 00:12:38,600 retail store. The store will hire an additional 29 employees with wages of 189 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:45,000 eight approximately $844,000. Uh the 10-year tax abatement is 190 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:45,000 estimated to equate to $604,449 191 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:50,720 of tax savings. Um I've also I Cherry requested a 192 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:54,760 5-year, too, so I've got that information on that. Um but Dwayne 193 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:57,760 Chupp's here, and he can um he's going to just talk on the project just a 194 00:12:56,120 --> 00:13:02,600 little bit more just what they've got going, and then we can answer any 195 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:02,600 questions. 196 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:13,839 » Dwayne Chupp Dwayne Chupp with E&S. Um Good evening everybody. Uh 197 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:17,720 uh just the project we got going I see uh you probably see what we got going 198 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:22,000 and it's going up already, and we're definitely excited about it. We're going 199 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:26,800 to be adding um new stuff. I think though the one of the 200 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:32,080 biggest thing we're adding is is a eater replace, so it's a food 201 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:35,440 beverage tax deal that I think will increase and that we used to have it in 202 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:39,720 the old store then we had to take it out. We didn't Well, we did through the 203 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:43,280 COVID and then we never replaced it, but we are putting in 204 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:47,480 I'm sorry. I don't even know how much seating on top loft and 205 00:13:45,560 --> 00:13:51,440 have an area where people sit down, they can eat ice cream, 206 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:58,440 eat a sandwich, salad, whatever. So, I think we're going to benefit there. Um 207 00:13:54,280 --> 00:14:03,400 I'm hoping to increase business um 35 to 40%. 208 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:07,960 I need to. Uh so, of course, I'm hoping to bring 209 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:13,080 more people in that way, you know, and uh I'm really pushing to get more of my 210 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:18,200 uh I call it local tourists. Uh and when I say local tourists, I'm 211 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:23,320 talking South Bend, Fort Wayne, and them area from Detroit, get more people 212 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:25,320 like that to come down visit us and so 213 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:30,480 um of course, uh 214 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:34,720 the old ENS where the retail is now is going to be empty. Not sure, we haven't 215 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:38,120 quite decided, but we are going to have a new 216 00:14:35,839 --> 00:14:43,360 not a new, but an empty retail space somewhere, either ENS or 217 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:47,160 at Country Road. So, we're going to develop a new business again. 218 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:51,400 We have like five things on the list to do and 219 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:57,360 we're still on the arguing stage as owners what's going to happen, so um 220 00:14:55,560 --> 00:15:02,240 that's really all I got and fire away questions if you have any or 221 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:02,240 you know, yeah. 222 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:08,600 It would It would really help us to do I mean we've 223 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:13,120 we've grown uh I I forget this. I think this is the sixth 224 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:18,360 step we took in 39 years. Um started out small, went to the next. 225 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:22,400 Now, it looks all chopped up, but now it is sometimes it would have been nice 226 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:26,680 if we would have started where what we're putting up now, but 227 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:30,880 that's often times when you start out way too big, you can't support it. So, 228 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:34,880 I'm hoping there's no guarantees in this, guys. 229 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:37,720 Anything can happen in business. But, we're going to give it all all we 230 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:42,880 got. And uh 231 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:46,760 So, it and and it is the biggest step that we ever took. And and and it is is 232 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:50,800 the scariest step. I I'll be honest. It's it's not just like we sit back and 233 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:55,520 relax because we got to work that out, but we have have a lot of family members 234 00:15:53,040 --> 00:16:00,040 that are very excited about it that are in the store right now already 235 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:04,680 being part of it. So, I think it'll keep rolling and hope it 236 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:04,680 will. 237 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:09,120 » Here's my fear. >> Yep. 238 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:10,640 » You know, I I really like you. I really appreciate you. 239 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:14,640 » away. I >> Okay. But, my fear is 240 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:17,040 all the things we have going on in the town right now. I've got a couple of 241 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:21,120 fears. All the things we have going on in the town right now. 242 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:23,840 Not knowing what the future holds for what we're going to get with property 243 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:26,839 taxes. Not knowing what that's going to look like for us in the town. 244 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:30,560 Um knowing that we are responsible for a 245 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:33,520 lot of other taxing units when we make this decision. 246 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:36,720 Um I trust you and I trust that you'll do 247 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:42,000 everything you can to make this work. There's no question about that. 248 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:46,480 But, it it worries me when we're looking at that big of a decision. 249 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:51,000 And one of my my biggest concerns is I'm sitting here on this board looking at 250 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:55,040 maybe some issues that we had 10 years ago when I wasn't on this board. And now 251 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:59,320 I'm having to reap the consequences of the decisions that were made then. And 252 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:02,880 so, looking 5 10 years down the road trying to make 253 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:05,880 a decision for the people that are trying to 254 00:17:04,120 --> 00:17:10,400 develop this community. It's just there's a lot to think about. Um 255 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:13,480 and so, I want to help and we're in a tight 256 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:16,120 we're in a we're in a hard position because 257 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:20,520 it's not someone that we don't trust standing in front of us. It's someone 258 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:24,680 that we do trust. And so, um I don't know what I don't know when it comes to 259 00:17:22,120 --> 00:17:29,080 tax abatements, but I do want you to hear me say I'm struggling because I 260 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:32,440 don't I want to help and yet I also am struggling to make that decision for the 261 00:17:31,120 --> 00:17:36,400 rest of our community. So, 262 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:39,720 that's not a question, I guess. I'm sorry. 263 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:41,360 » No, it's awesome here and I understand. >> Mhm. 264 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:44,960 » Um you know, uh 265 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:49,960 she proposed a 10 and a 5 and if we can even get help with a 5 or something, 266 00:17:47,360 --> 00:17:49,960 just uh 267 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:58,840 would help us just uh to try and get the first couple years and 268 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:58,840 so we can do this. I mean, 269 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:02,920 » She said it really well. >> Yeah, you know 270 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:07,000 » She said it really well and that's um some of the some of the same things I 271 00:18:05,120 --> 00:18:14,240 struggle with and that we talked about is I we know you guys. We We trust you 272 00:18:10,120 --> 00:18:20,720 as as business men and women. Um we don't know with Senate Bill 1 273 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:26,080 how that's going to end up for us in two to three years. We might be looking at 274 00:18:23,120 --> 00:18:29,720 no property tax at all. And 275 00:18:28,120 --> 00:18:34,400 I I don't know. It's a hard place. It's a hard place. 276 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:40,000 I know I know at least you won't do 277 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:45,400 what the first company did that I was on a board and gave a tax abatement to, 278 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:51,480 which was leave as soon as it was up. Um I I know that won't happen, but I 279 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:55,440 it's it's a hard place. >> I think that with Senate Bill 1, we had 280 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:58,400 a meeting with Sue this morning. You know, they're going back in the 281 00:18:56,280 --> 00:19:02,120 legislative session here shortly and there's an excess like in the state's 282 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:05,680 budget. So, they're going to take a look at it and they've been hearing 283 00:19:03,120 --> 00:19:09,080 taxpayers. So, we don't I mean, the way it stands now is what we have to go by, 284 00:19:07,360 --> 00:19:13,560 but there's potential that things could change in this next session. 285 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:16,760 But, if you don't get property taxes, there wouldn't be anything abatable 286 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:17,920 » Mhm. >> in the future. 287 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:20,320 » Right. >> Mhm. 288 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:25,200 » The abatement would just basically go away. 289 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:29,360 I- if >> Mhm. 290 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:39,000 » My opinion would be such that and it and it isn't because I'm 291 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:43,680 and this isn't a vote for me, but it is 292 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:48,000 to be heard. I believe in supporting local businesses 293 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:52,760 the best that we can. And I know that in the past, different boards have made 294 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:56,400 decisions for companies coming from outside of the town 295 00:19:54,600 --> 00:20:00,440 bringing them into town. And I understand that. But, I also 296 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:05,280 understand businesses that have invested heavily in 297 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:09,200 this town. And what's their reward? I mean, yeah. 298 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:13,680 Yeah, they're established, and yeah, they get 299 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:17,440 the business. But, at the same time, is that our place as a town, you know, 300 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:20,480 council to help them out in that sense where we can 301 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:24,760 abate some? I believe it is because why why 302 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:30,160 incentivize, you know, what if you guys chose to go just outside of town, 303 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:34,120 and then there's no tax for us anyway? So, that's just my That's my stance. 304 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:40,200 » And and and and I don't know if you remember was it 3 or 4 years ago now 305 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:44,080 that you annexed us? I don't think one of us was up here 306 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:49,480 fighting. We didn't come fight. 307 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:54,080 I don't think I complained. And my taxes doubled. 308 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:59,560 I was at 20,000. And the following year it was 40,000. 309 00:20:56,800 --> 00:21:03,760 I didn't come in to to any of you and say, 310 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:07,400 or I didn't go get a lawyer and fight you guys not to annex me. 311 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:12,480 So, I think that was a benefit, too. And I'm 312 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:16,240 usually not Yeah, I've been in the last meetings, you know, and then and 313 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:22,120 won't get off the subject and talk about the sewer. I I want to do I want to help 314 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:25,920 it, you know. I I am in this community. I'm planning on staying. 315 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:29,360 Hopefully in 10 years I'll slow down a little bit, but 316 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:33,680 I I I have a lot of family and I have nephews and nieces that are in the 317 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:37,840 business that are taking a good interest, have been with me for over 5 318 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:42,880 years now, and they want me to take this to the next step and keep it growing. 319 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:46,640 And and it it's it's going to be my my taxes on it if I look at it, it's going 320 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:49,040 to be It's going to be huge. It's going to be 321 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:52,400 huge. Um 322 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:56,600 And it would it would really help me just to get 323 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:59,120 first couple years behind us. 324 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:04,480 And and and we we've been very successful. I'm not complaining. 325 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:10,440 But as a business, we didn't have the cash sitting here 326 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:10,440 waiting to do this project. 327 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:18,040 Yes, I'm not a businessman enough to do it. 328 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:22,840 So, and I understand your point of view. >> Well, there's there's just so many sides 329 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:26,840 to it. Like generally, um abatements are, like he said, for new 330 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:32,040 businesses coming in, um not for established businesses. 331 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:36,000 Um I just heard you say that one of these 332 00:22:34,120 --> 00:22:41,440 remaining buildings is going to be a new business if you and your brothers can 333 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:44,480 put bigger in about it, right? Um 334 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:47,840 » We're going to We're going to put something in it. If we don't 335 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:51,480 personally, some people that are out in the country 336 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:53,880 will be. >> So, 337 00:22:55,160 --> 00:23:03,600 some benefits I see to to to doing the tax abatement is 338 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:07,040 if we don't do it now, we we can't do it once it's established. So, you know, 339 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:10,880 that's that's one thing that I I have to take into 340 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,960 consideration. Um 341 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:17,520 It's just a question for Kurt, and I think I know the answer to it, but let's 342 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:21,000 say we agree to a 5-year tax abatement, and um 343 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:24,440 they're they're in good standing, can we extend a tax abatement? No, it's only 344 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:30,280 what we agree to now. >> Okay, were to sell, you can transfer the 345 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:34,520 the abatement to the new company, but you can't extend it. 346 00:23:32,120 --> 00:23:37,120 Uh once you set it, cuz the basis set now, 347 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:39,960 and whatever the increment is is what's abated. 348 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:43,600 » Okay. And this wouldn't take effect until 349 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:46,920 closing and everything is Is that correct? 350 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:49,920 » take effect for next year's assessment, okay, which is in January. 351 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:53,240 If >> Yeah, we'll do it. 352 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:57,880 » By the way, we're hoping to move in, not open, but move in June 1st, okay? Is Is 353 00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:02,360 our goal. But there's a lot of winter 354 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:04,520 and spring weather to come yet. >> So, we completely assessed in January. 355 00:24:04,120 --> 00:24:07,080 It's hard. >> So, um 356 00:24:07,360 --> 00:24:11,160 You have an idea on yet? >> I I don't I want to cut this short, but 357 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:15,400 then I should have asked We were up all night. I mean, I do until I go to sleep. 358 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:19,840 » Um is there anything legally that we could 359 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:24,880 say, okay, let's look at a tax abatement at the cost of like like for the like 360 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:29,120 for him to incur the cost for it would take like that it would take for us to 361 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,680 go through the process to to create a tax abatement? 362 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:34,960 » Well, that's a good question, and I have 363 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:39,760 encouraged the council over the years to establish a filing fee with an ordinance 364 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:43,520 like the county has, and the council's never done that. So, we can't do it 365 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:47,320 um retroactively. 366 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:51,480 They can donate if they want, but we can't require them. Now, what we can do 367 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:56,680 is require them to as a condition of the abatement in terms 368 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:59,800 of the agreement return a certain percentage of the savings and I don't 369 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:03,240 know that happens elsewhere but it does 370 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:08,200 happen at the county in some circumstances. 371 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:11,680 » You can require 3 5% or so to be returned but that money has to be used 372 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:15,680 for economic development purposes only has to have vents around it. So 373 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:20,440 you can't condition it on them paying the cost. You could have had an 374 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:25,040 ordinance that says they have to pay a fine if you hang the county's 20 375 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:29,240 2000 rate by 100 to help the for the cover the cost 376 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:34,080 administering the doing it but we don't have anything in place to my knowledge 377 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:38,520 here to do that. So we're kind of stuck with not being able to. So your 378 00:25:36,120 --> 00:25:42,880 flexibility is in the amount of years and the percentages and you have maximum 379 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:47,080 flexibility to do whatever you They they've submitted a 10 and a 5 year and 380 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:50,720 we looked at those numbers and but you can 381 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:55,200 » But one more question then. Let's say they don't uphold those standards and we 382 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:58,320 end up having to to let them off terminate that's better 383 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,840 word for it. >> Okay. Yeah. 384 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:05,440 » Um is there any language that we can put into that that that would be at the cost 385 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:08,520 of since we it wouldn't be current but could we get an or I mean 386 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:12,840 » One of the things that the abatement agreement talks about is if they breach 387 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:16,640 the agreement then they have to pay for returning savings and everything like 388 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:20,600 that but to get those unless they're willing to pay you got to go to court to 389 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:23,960 enforce it. So that would be a really long way down the road. You basically 390 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:28,680 have to sue them to get to get it. >> To get it. Okay. 391 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:32,000 » Can I ask a procedural question? Is any If this were to go to vote does anyone 392 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:34,240 have to abstain? >> Anybody that 393 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:37,480 » We were going to have that discussion in the end. 394 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:42,960 » Anybody that's uh net worth is uh 395 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:48,680 can be affected positively by the statute says if their net worth is can 396 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:52,600 increase as a result of the taxpayer getting the abatement. 397 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:54,920 » Cuz if two have to abstain yeah three vote has to abstain. 398 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,640 » Then there's no vote. >> So you couldn't you'd have to table it 399 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,840 for next. That's my only thought. I was just wondering. 400 00:26:58,360 --> 00:27:03,600 » Yeah, that was that was a sidebar discussion Kurt and I had. Um 401 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:08,160 » And I'm not saying anybody does. I'm saying that's the rule. Somebody's net 402 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:11,800 worth can be increased by the taxpayer through So it is. Employment, other 403 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:19,120 relationships. >> What What happens at this point is we 404 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:19,120 don't vote on the abatement because 405 00:27:19,360 --> 00:27:28,320 that application should have come in before you broke ground, but we vote on 406 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:33,800 sending the attorney in the direction of making that happen um by way of more 407 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:37,400 documents and a public hearing. Just so you understand that part. 408 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:40,680 » we have to go to public hearing and Shirley knows this is because it's 409 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:45,480 already started. We don't have to do that if the taxpayer 410 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:48,240 comes in before. So >> So, yeah. 411 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:52,000 » Gives the public the right to if they come, 412 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:55,200 speak. >> That happened because he wanted They 413 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,680 wanted to stake it on it when I wanted to. 414 00:27:55,640 --> 00:28:00,600 » Mhm. Yeah, I would I was just letting you 415 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:08,360 know that's like when when we vote, that's what we're voting on, not um not 416 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:10,480 yes or no on the abatement. And then um also 417 00:28:09,120 --> 00:28:13,720 » be something Sorry, would that be something that the abs- abstain would 418 00:28:12,360 --> 00:28:19,320 need to happen on or not? >> I don't think that and I'm not saying 419 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:22,880 anybody does or doesn't have any uh pecuniary interest is what the statute 420 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:29,160 says. But if If somebody has a pecuniary interest in this taxpayer, they should 421 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:32,160 not vote on any of these matters. Zero. 422 00:28:30,360 --> 00:28:35,840 Now, that is not something I enforce. That's 423 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:39,640 something the State Ethics Commission would enforce if somebody would 424 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,640 complain. 425 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:48,880 » So, um I lost my train of thought. 426 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:51,320 » It's okay. It's all right. Um >> I'm not hearing anything. 427 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:55,560 » Yeah, there was one more thing I was going to say. It's lost. It's gone. 428 00:28:53,720 --> 00:29:00,800 It'll come back sometime tonight. >> I don't have a whole lot more than what 429 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:05,200 everyone has already said. Um you were 430 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:08,840 after meetings where we had to decide what to do with a new sewer plant. 431 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:14,520 Um and not necessarily blaming the previous 432 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:20,320 town council for for that, but that it played a part in it. 433 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:20,320 And I certainly don't want to um 434 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:29,680 be talked about 10 or 20 years from now on decisions that I made. Um 435 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:31,400 whether if the decisions I make are 436 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:38,880 um in majority or not. Um 437 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:38,880 the bad part about this whole deal is 438 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:46,640 we can't predict the future. Um we do know what you and your 439 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:50,000 businesses bring to this town. 440 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,000 Um 441 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:55,680 unfortunately, I'm just really struggling with making the same 442 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:59,720 decisions that the previous council did that now I 443 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:03,040 got to deal with. Um whether it's right or wrong, I don't 444 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:06,160 know yet. Um but that that's where I'm at right 445 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:10,520 now. Before 446 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:14,960 I would I was thrilled with You didn't apply for it 447 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,960 a month ago or 2 months ago. So, we wouldn't have to deal with it cuz I 448 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:20,760 didn't want to have to make this decision 449 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,760 um 450 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:25,560 » Which one did we file for? >> When? 451 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,560 » Yeah. 452 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,320 » I see the percentage. >> And that's now. 453 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,160 » Yeah. >> I'm not 454 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:35,560 » doing logistics but >> I mean, I guess this is stated 455 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:39,360 for what period? Yeah, June 30th. 456 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,360 » It's June 30th. 457 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:50,040 That's my stuff, listen to me, man. I'll decide which way I'll vote when if 458 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,040 we come to a vote then. 459 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:55,400 » But we don't have to go with either of these. 460 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:58,920 » No, these are good, helpful >> They're good, helpful 461 00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,840 » tools. Yeah. 462 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:08,240 » But both >> So we could do a five year and 463 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:08,240 » Yeah, you can do percentages and 464 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:15,280 » Yeah. >> And probably 465 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:17,720 » 80/60/40 >> If you want her to have her run 466 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:22,120 different number scenarios, she'll probably would be happy to. 467 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:26,480 » But right now what we need is a vote on whether or not 468 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:29,240 to do it. >> I don't know if you have 469 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:32,520 » Well, we might not have a quorum. Okay, so I guess 470 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,720 » You have to have >> Here's the hard part of living in a 471 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:45,040 small town. My husband's a drywall contractor. 472 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:47,640 You're a general contractor. My husband does 473 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:52,520 most of his work. So for that reason I'm going to not vote 474 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:55,680 on this. >> Got you. 475 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:59,120 » Because I don't look good in orange. And I you know, I don't have a lot of 476 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:02,640 years left but I want to live them outside. 477 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:07,120 » Sure. >> So yeah, for that for that reason I am 478 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:10,560 not going to vote and you need three people to vote. So 479 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:20,360 I don't know how you feel about orange. >> Well, good question. On my position is 480 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:22,640 to give him direction on this part of it. 481 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:32,480 My favoring and my my lean to on this is that I would give direction on a five 482 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,960 year and to look at that and I would vote on 483 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,120 it. >> You would vote on it? 484 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:40,120 » I would. Cuz I have no 485 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:44,480 » Going down. >> I have no 486 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:48,320 definitely is on that one. Now, when it comes to actually approving 487 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:50,800 it, then I would I would abstain myself from that. 488 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,760 That's my stance. 489 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:04,280 And we can wait and table it or whatever till Tim gets here, too, if we want, but 490 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,560 or we can table it till the next meeting and have it 491 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:09,440 » a position with three they can 492 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:15,840 I mean So, here's here's the You could make a 493 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:19,960 motion. It could get a second. It could get a vote. You could make a motion. It 494 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:23,520 could die for a lack of second. Um 495 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:29,640 I want to be very clear before I make a motion on anything. 496 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:33,800 Exactly like all I would be doing if I were to make a motion would be to give 497 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:38,720 Kurt direction to draft 498 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:41,720 paperwork for a public hearing. It wouldn't be a public hearing that 499 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:46,280 would present what we would vote on or it would be. 500 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:52,600 » to have I have to know um what we're doing as far as 5, 10, 3, 501 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:54,160 6, whatever. So, what would it 502 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,920 » So >> You don't have to know it, but then the 503 00:33:55,480 --> 00:34:00,840 problem's going to be you're going to debate that in the hearing, which is 504 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:04,640 fine if you want to do that. If you want the hearing to be on Here's a 5-year 505 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:07,560 abatement. Here's a 10-year abatement. We have those numbers. I can do that 506 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:12,399 right now. If you want something different I I would need to be given 507 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:15,960 some direction and some numbers because right now the only 508 00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:19,360 the two things I have are the ability to produce documents for a 5-year and the 509 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:24,080 ability to produce documents for a 10-year based on these percentages, 510 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:27,440 which also you don't have to honor. You can 511 00:34:25,240 --> 00:34:31,000 look at those any way you want, right? So, 512 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:36,120 um they I'm just looking at it. The 5-year says 100% the first year, 80% the 513 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:39,639 second year, 60%, 40%, 20%, and then zero. Of course, that's the end. 514 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:43,399 You don't have to do that. You could do 100% the whole time. 515 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:50,080 You could do 10% the whole time. Uh and the same is true with the 516 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:54,000 a 10-year, which is 195, 80, 65, on and on. 517 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:58,680 You could direct me to prepare, with her help, the numbers and the documents that 518 00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:03,440 would be a 10-year abatement at 10% a year, or heavy loaded at the front like 519 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:06,560 it is historically set up and how this is set up. 520 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:09,000 All I'm trying to say is >> You need to 521 00:35:07,240 --> 00:35:11,600 » the limit. It's infinite number of combinations if I don't get some 522 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,760 direction. >> Mhm. 523 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:17,920 I guess that's my question. Is Is the sky still limited with your with your 524 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:21,040 ability to do anything with the decision that we make tonight as long as we give 525 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:23,520 you direction? Cuz I don't I don't feel comfortable to say this is what I want 526 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:29,360 right now. But I do feel comfortable saying I'm 527 00:35:25,240 --> 00:35:31,560 okay with us drafting up some options. Is what I'm trying to 528 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:36,480 » And for the sake of discussion, are you 5-year or 10-year? 529 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:40,280 » I 5-year. I mean, I'm not I'm not I don't want to look at 10-year. That's 530 00:35:37,720 --> 00:35:45,400 That's too long for me to to feel like I'm making that decision. But 531 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:50,400 » If If you If you're comfortable directing me and if the vote passes to 532 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:54,080 give me authority to draft the abatement agreement, the notices, the hearings 533 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:57,400 that have to go in the paper, and all the uh resolutions that go along with 534 00:35:56,160 --> 00:36:01,320 that, uh based on this 5-year schedule, I can 535 00:35:59,720 --> 00:36:04,680 absolutely do that. If the 5-year schedule changes or your decision 536 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:09,320 changes at the meeting, that's also okay. It just means we'll be another 537 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:12,480 meeting where I have to get caught up, change things. 538 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:15,600 The hearing doesn't have to be on a schedule, is what I'm trying to say. You 539 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:18,600 can just have a hearing on are we going to grant abatement? It's just that if 540 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:22,960 you want to be prepared so that you can sign something and approve something, 541 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:25,800 I need direct. And they're going to need to sign an 542 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:29,640 abatement agreement, but if I don't know what it is, I can't give it to him so 543 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:33,600 it's a chicken or the egg. What presents the problem for me as a drafter is we're 544 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:37,040 having a hearing on something because it's already built. 545 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:40,840 Normally it's not that way. So that causes me dilemma because I would 546 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:43,080 normally tell you don't have a hearing if you don't have a signed abatement 547 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:46,080 agreement, but I can't give you a signed abatement agreement if I don't know what 548 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:49,680 we're doing. So it it is the chicken or the egg. So you to a certain extent 549 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:53,760 spend a lot of effort and time having a hearing on something you may never 550 00:36:51,240 --> 00:36:59,120 approve. If you're okay with that and you don't mind having me do that work. 551 00:36:55,560 --> 00:37:03,400 » Absolutely. I would do it clearly. >> Just not okay with either one right now. 552 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:06,760 Like right this second. I feel like I'm a meeting too early right now. 553 00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:13,680 I mean how like we table it and have more dis like in the midst of before 554 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:16,520 between the net between this meeting golly I can't talk between this meeting 555 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:19,960 and the next meeting. Without a public hearing next meeting, 556 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:22,400 we still have some flexibility to look at what our options are. 557 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,840 » Mhm. In the middle of all that. >> Yes and you 558 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:27,360 » come more prepared to schedule a hearing if we want to. 559 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:30,240 » Right. And your hearing wouldn't happen just so you know at the next meeting 560 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:32,680 because of the publication. We have one public Yeah. So it's going to be a month 561 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,680 from >> Okay. 562 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:39,040 » because we can't get it in the newspaper in time and all that. But 563 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:43,920 we can have the hearing without knowing what the percentages are. 564 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:47,960 It just delays the application of anything. In their case, it doesn't 565 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:54,040 matter too much probably because the reality of it is is we're already 566 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:57,800 doing it a little backwards even. Meaning we don't have the 567 00:37:56,120 --> 00:38:01,520 the building's already built to so you know, not built but it's all but 568 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:04,720 » Here's where I'm at. I don't feel comfortable saying no. 569 00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:07,440 I don't feel comfortable saying yes right this second. 570 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:12,800 I don't feel like I could walk away feeling 571 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:17,000 » If you want to have a public hearing and not even 572 00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:20,720 have any preparation, not have them sign an abatement agreement you can also do 573 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:25,960 that. The abatement agreement is something that we typically get from the 574 00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:31,040 taxpayer to commit to certain things before you spend the money on me doing 575 00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:34,800 all of this, right? If you don't If you're not worried about that, and you 576 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:39,480 just want to put it out there, we can put it out there in a hearing, and you 577 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:44,080 can have time to debate and cuss and discuss it all and go from there. 578 00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:48,440 » Nice. I'm going to say something. I don't know if I should say it, but I'm 579 00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:54,840 going to just so that you hear us, Dwayne. I I guess one of my concerns is 580 00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:58,400 too is paying for some of these things. So, just hear me say that, okay? Um 581 00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:02,440 paying for some of these things that we wouldn't have had to pay for 582 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:06,080 had it been applied before for for the taxpayers. So, that's that's one of my 583 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:11,760 concerns with saying let's go ahead and do the hearing. Um and without having an 584 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:16,440 ordinance in place to have a filing fee, I feel like that could take care of some 585 00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:20,280 of that that concern um as far as using some of our taxpayers' money to 586 00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:27,960 to draft paperwork. >> I I'm I'm going to comment on the 587 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:32,160 waving the nonconformity just for a second. We've done it before in other 588 00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:36,080 communities. It is something we try to avoid for this reason because you you 589 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:41,320 don't know what you're going to get when you have 590 00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:43,720 the hearing, right? It's a But 591 00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:51,600 I mean, we technically the hearing is are you willing to waive noncompliance 592 00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:54,760 cuz they're not in compliance. Like the building before they have the abatement 593 00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:59,160 granted. It doesn't mean it's illegal. It just 594 00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:03,880 means in order to approve an abatement when the building's already started, you 595 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:08,000 have to waive that irregularity. >> My concern is more just the money that 596 00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:10,120 we will be spending in order to do that. >> Yeah. 597 00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:17,000 So, so I don't know if I helped you. >> You did. You did. You answered my 598 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:19,760 » you can authorize me to do so. >> Yeah. yeah, yeah. 599 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:22,680 » And I'm ready to go. >> Welcome to the world where we just talk 600 00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:25,040 it all out here. >> Yeah, that's okay. 601 00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:30,640 It's >> It's good dialogue. Um 602 00:40:28,720 --> 00:40:33,040 » I would take one thing. I don't know. 603 00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:40,400 » I don't feel comfortable doing one >> And we can table it. Are you going to be 604 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:42,480 here at the next meeting? >> Wait. 605 00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:47,080 Is it Thursday? >> Can you get it on a Wednesday again? 606 00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:51,440 » Um When's the next When's the next meeting 607 00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:55,320 you're here, Adam? I mean, I think it's going to take a full council. 608 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,800 » Let me tell you one thing. >> Yes. 609 00:40:56,040 --> 00:41:00,080 » Yeah. I might be here on 610 00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:05,720 » I won't be here on the 9th. A sectional on the 23rd. 611 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,720 » Depends on the draw. 612 00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:12,880 One of those is our budget adoption, so you'd have to be here. 613 00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:16,000 I will tell you in a second. >> I 614 00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,960 » Wednesday >> Not necessarily you, but there has to be 615 00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:21,160 a quorum. >> Yeah. 616 00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:24,080 » You'll notify me when you'll have that again. 617 00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:26,560 » As you can see, there's so much to consider. 618 00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:29,840 » Thank you. >> I will be Thank you. I will be here on 619 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:33,280 the 23rd because that's fall break. 620 00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:35,640 » The 23rd of October? >> Do you want 621 00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:37,480 » Nick, will you be here on the 23rd of October? 622 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:40,520 » I will be here. >> What? 623 00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,520 » I'll be here. 624 00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:48,200 Do you want to beg Cherry to give you additional scenarios? 3 years, 5 years, 625 00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,960 » Yes. 626 00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:56,760 I mean, I can just throw out all kinds of Yeah. I So, I 627 00:41:54,960 --> 00:42:01,000 mean, my biggest concerns are a different council making having to to 628 00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:05,600 absorb our decisions. Um so, 3 years would feel safer to me. I 629 00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:12,360 feel like someone would be on council in 3 years. We all have 3-year terms. 630 00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:16,040 Um but or 5 years. Something to something less risky for us 631 00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:18,960 but still helps. >> I think the bottom line too is the 632 00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:21,560 investment that they're putting in this building right here. 633 00:42:22,720 --> 00:42:26,680 » Mhm. Mhm. 634 00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:30,120 Mhm. >> coming in. 635 00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:33,920 So, to throw them something I think is appropriate in my opinion. Of course, 636 00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:38,600 I'm going to say that. But, I I understand where you're all sitting. 637 00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,720 » Which meeting are we going to I just want to write down we're going to 638 00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,840 re-look at the >> 23rd 639 00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:45,480 » 20 of October now. Okay. I'm going to try to get Yeah, I'm going 640 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:49,360 to try >> For future reference, if we want to have 641 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:53,120 Wednesday meetings or at all during Bible season. 642 00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:56,080 » I mean you know, we can look at changing it 643 00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:59,640 next year. >> I'm busy every Wednesday night. 644 00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:05,160 » But, Thursday, October 9th is your budget adoption. 645 00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,160 Be here, be square. 646 00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:10,920 We have to have enough a quorum, that's all I'm saying. Doesn't 647 00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:14,720 have to be everybody but there has to be a quorum. There has to be enough people 648 00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:16,440 » I remember last time I missed one of the meetings. 649 00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:18,880 » Yeah, and unfortunately that's one of them that the 650 00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:21,200 the can't do remotely cuz it's one of the 651 00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,680 exceptions. >> They can't vote remotely on budget. 652 00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:27,560 » Okay. >> They can't either on tax abatement. 653 00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:30,880 » Could you move meetings up? Like to move it forward 654 00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:34,600 » set in for this for the budget is set in stone or we start over with a new 655 00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:37,320 hearing and everything. 656 00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:40,840 » Okay. Okay. >> And we don't have enough time. 657 00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:45,800 » So, as a result of that we will revisit this 658 00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:49,240 October 23rd. And Todd, will you 659 00:43:48,240 --> 00:43:52,200 Do you feel like you can put a note in there so it 660 00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:56,200 it's on the agenda. Okay. >> Let me make sure 661 00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:57,520 sure he gets they all have them. >> Yeah. 662 00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,400 » See the numbers. >> Yeah. 663 00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:03,560 » So, once she gets it to you >> Yeah. 664 00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:06,120 What are you going to get? >> A five year a different five year? 665 00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,440 » A different >> three and five. 666 00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:13,080 » It doesn't sound like anything over five. But I don't think since three is 667 00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:17,280 also that might make sense. But if you all have any ideas like what 668 00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:19,560 you're kind of thinking, I mean we we can 669 00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:22,040 » Sherry, what we're thinking is a no. It's so 670 00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:33,320 Make it palatable. If you've got something. 671 00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:37,680 » Here's Here's my biggest concern. Is that we are going to be like 672 00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:41,560 the the taxes that are not yet incurred because it's 673 00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:45,440 not built yet. That's money that you don't have right now. My concern is the 674 00:44:43,720 --> 00:44:49,040 money that we will be spending in order to get that to pass. 675 00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:51,600 And then the manpower that it's going to take to make sure that it's being 676 00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:56,320 checked up on throughout the next and that's my 677 00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:59,280 concern. If Terry retires in two years, what are we going to have in place to 678 00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:05,400 make sure that this continues to follow through? Um I don't want to be spending 679 00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:11,720 any more money of the taxpayers' money to make sure that this is done. Um 680 00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:15,440 » It's It's also not like you're losing any money 681 00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:20,840 because I didn't If I wouldn't be doing this, we'd be 682 00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:25,360 there. So it's not like It's not like It's another thing that you 683 00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:29,480 I pay for the water bill. I pay for my sewer. I pay for 684 00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:35,080 um the storm waters and all that. I pay for that. So it's not me building a new 685 00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:38,600 building is not costing you more money. So if it wouldn't be there, you wouldn't 686 00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:43,360 even be getting this money anyway. So what I'm trying to is is 687 00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:47,400 This says $10 million for a building. I'll promise you we'll spend $15 688 00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,400 million. 689 00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:54,080 » Is there a price tag that um could recover your costs? 690 00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:58,760 That's the Yeah. That's my concern. 691 00:45:55,080 --> 00:46:02,520 » I I mean I never know and the 2,500 is what we've done at the county and it's 692 00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:06,960 always really done a good job of covering most of it without a hearing 693 00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:10,480 without a waiver. So you just factored I don't even know I haven't done them for 694 00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:14,080 so long. I don't know the last time I did a waiver hearing in the county is 695 00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:18,040 probably 15 years ago. >> We just did one for a news property and 696 00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:23,120 we didn't did you do a hearing for that that take that away or not? 697 00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:25,440 » No, we did not take it they did not well that one was terminated. 698 00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,080 » Terminated yeah. >> That was termination. 699 00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:30,160 » Okay. >> Waiver hearing is something where 700 00:46:29,720 --> 00:46:33,880 person >> Yeah, I would think yeah. 701 00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:36,000 » Since I I mean I've done one at the county level but it's probably been 15 702 00:46:35,720 --> 00:46:38,800 years. >> Yeah, it's before my 703 00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:42,000 » Yeah. Just not being very nice to me. 704 00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:50,080 » Can you bill us at the same rate for 15? >> If you want to pay what they pay me 705 00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:53,640 annually. >> I mean I would have I would be sitting 706 00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:55,960 here in the back saying hey I'll pay for or whatever. 707 00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:59,960 » Yeah, he can say whatever he wants he just can't condition 708 00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:02,840 it. >> Money that's not here already and we can 709 00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:06,440 do that in writing. 710 00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:10,320 » One thing that might help you just for fun is to think about what percentage 711 00:47:08,240 --> 00:47:12,880 savings you they were willing to offer and 712 00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:17,960 we they've never had experience. >> We've talked about that yeah uh-huh. 713 00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:22,200 A percentage a percentage back that would go into economic development. 714 00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:26,360 » We do that with all of them we have now but it was primarily because the county 715 00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:30,440 » collected >> Collect county collected it and gave it 716 00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:32,760 back to us. So. 717 00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:38,520 » Is is that direction or a lack of direction? 718 00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:42,200 » It's some direction yes. >> Things that could be refined. 719 00:47:42,720 --> 00:47:46,920 » Yeah, I wish I could have another discussion after I throw it out there 720 00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:51,840 and just before the hearing though like so if there's any more changes 721 00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:53,800 you know that I can continue to >> To be clear we're doing a hearing on the 722 00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:58,200 20th. >> Yeah, because the 23rd is this dialogue 723 00:47:56,480 --> 00:48:00,640 then if they approve me they'll have a public hearing. 724 00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:03,000 » So, we'll talk about it some more then. Yeah. 725 00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:08,960 » It would be nice if we're going to do it to have it done before January 1 because 726 00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:12,160 I want the county to see it because otherwise they'll be mad. 727 00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:15,000 » And I can talk it to death. I just can't vote on it. 728 00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:18,880 I could, but >> And you'll have a bigger pool. 729 00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:22,040 » Yeah. There There will be five people here then, 730 00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:25,680 which is which is why we're looking at the dates. 731 00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:29,080 Thank you. I mean, thank you for listening and thank you for 732 00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:32,280 » And hear me want to say like we wouldn't be discussing this if we didn't trust 733 00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:34,840 you. If you were a non a not a trustworthy business owner, we would be 734 00:48:33,720 --> 00:48:38,600 like No. So, yeah. 735 00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:41,960 We appreciate it. Yeah. >> Should that be your 736 00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:44,800 meeting then or will I find out about it or 737 00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:49,040 » The 23rd. >> If I were you, I would 738 00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:53,360 » I would be here because we have another council member that's not here. So, 739 00:48:51,720 --> 00:48:56,040 » The next one's October 23rd. >> October 23rd. 740 00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:59,080 » Is there a council meeting in between there? 741 00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:02,920 » Yes. I won't I won't >> She won't even be here. 742 00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:06,080 » But anything you get to them, they can get to them 743 00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,080 before then. 744 00:49:07,720 --> 00:49:15,080 » Sometimes tax abatements really aren't like this, are they? 745 00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:15,080 » Nobody ever talks about anything. 746 00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:23,320 » I You know, we've we've had a lot of stuff thrown at us this year for what 747 00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:28,640 councils have done in the past and we've been we've been the one sitting here 748 00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:34,720 with the angry mob. So, um we just don't want to put that out there for anybody 749 00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:34,720 else to have to go through it. 750 00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:39,640 Thank you. Thanks. 751 00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:48,960 Do you have to go? >> No. 752 00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:52,760 » No. Do you have something? >> This came up in an HSA. I don't know if 753 00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:55,360 you guys want to discuss it or not, but since he left you might want to push it 754 00:49:54,080 --> 00:50:00,400 off till everybody's here. >> Yeah. 755 00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:03,840 We'll table that. Where did he go? 756 00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:06,400 » He went to the NJHS inductions. >> Oh, okay. 757 00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:11,640 Do you guys have to go to that, too? >> I mean, I told Greg that if we weren't 758 00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,960 done yet it's >> Okay. 759 00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:16,240 » Sorry. >> It's urgent. 760 00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:18,840 » Sorry. >> It's okay. 761 00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:22,440 » Let's not. >> Okay. I get to go to our soccer game 762 00:50:20,720 --> 00:50:28,440 tomorrow. We can do a little bit today. >> Okay. 763 00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:28,440 All right. What's 764 00:50:28,720 --> 00:50:32,800 Like if we hurried, could you get there? >> No. 765 00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:37,840 » No, all right. >> Well, I mean it starts at 6:00 and it's 766 00:50:34,240 --> 00:50:37,840 probably over at 6:20. 767 00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:43,640 » Okay, let's move back up. Approval of past 768 00:50:42,720 --> 00:50:46,480 » memorandum. >> Do we have just one? 769 00:50:44,720 --> 00:50:49,360 » Mhm, the last meeting. >> In the last meeting. 770 00:51:04,240 --> 00:51:07,360 » It looks right to me. 771 00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:16,400 » Looks good to me, too. >> Like to I'll make a motion to approve 772 00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:20,240 the memorandum from September 11th, 2025. 773 00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:23,680 » A second. >> I have a motion and a second. All in 774 00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:27,240 favor? >> Aye. 775 00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:27,240 » Aye. Opposed? 776 00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:32,480 We're in a hurry. Quick annexation report. 777 00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:35,200 » We're working on it. >> It's all done. 778 00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:41,560 » We're working on it. No updates, but I should have some updates at the next 779 00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:45,640 meeting. Uh I think probably during staff. 780 00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:50,320 Probably no decisions, but I think during staff we'll probably at least 781 00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:52,160 have a 5 to 15 minute discussion on what we got done today. 782 00:51:51,240 --> 00:51:55,840 » All right. >> I think beyond that it will probably 783 00:51:53,760 --> 00:52:00,800 just be sitting on it for a little bit or maybe a motion for it to take the 784 00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:04,280 next step. >> I heard him say something about being 785 00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:06,760 annexed a few years ago and that has not happened since I've been on the board. 786 00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:10,640 » That was >> That was something else. Yeah. 787 00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:13,280 » No, I think it wasn't in that that south area a lot 788 00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:15,240 » Yeah, I don't know for sure. >> Okay. 789 00:52:13,720 --> 00:52:18,720 » No, I think we talked about that and 2013 790 00:52:16,240 --> 00:52:20,520 » It was where we had the pipe extended to the the easement. 791 00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:23,600 » Yeah. >> But he's down in that area. 792 00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:26,280 » It was in 2013. >> I think it 793 00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:29,040 » after whatever that magic date was. >> No. 794 00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:32,720 » So he >> It wasn't a couple years ago. 795 00:52:30,720 --> 00:52:34,360 » I think it was that entire area down there. 796 00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:38,160 » No, that whole area down there. >> It was the area with the news viewers. 797 00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:41,080 » Everything about it >> because of the law change. 798 00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:44,720 » Oh, yeah. >> That's the story of this. 799 00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,720 » All right. 800 00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:51,480 Um pay app, that's you? >> I got to pull them up quick. 801 00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:53,640 Do they have electronic or that is not? >> Uh yes. 802 00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:57,320 » Okay. >> It's not as fancy as Bennett's, but it's 803 00:52:55,960 --> 00:53:01,880 All right, I'll just go real quick. This is for the wastewater treatment plant 804 00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:05,840 project A. This is pay application number two. 805 00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:11,720 This is basically for um 25% so a little bit of mobilization, 806 00:53:08,720 --> 00:53:15,520 job trailer, permits, insurance. Uh they have mobilized. They are doing 807 00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:18,800 dewatering. Uh they basically started uh the majority of the construction this 808 00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:22,880 past week. So with that this pay application's for 809 00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:28,280 $105,206 and we would recommend this be approved 810 00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:33,680 by council and move to tab to move uh this to SRF for a disbursement request. 811 00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:36,280 » So moved. >> The motion in a second. All in favor? 812 00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:39,320 » I. >> I. Opposed? 813 00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:49,520 That's it. That's it. That's all you got? 814 00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:49,520 Oh my goodness. 815 00:53:50,240 --> 00:53:54,440 You got to be the only man that's ever listened to me. 816 00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:06,800 I tried so hard to get my husband I told I told Benny I was like 817 00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:10,160 we should like just jump in that car and go to Nashville and catch the Titans 818 00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:12,000 Colts game. >> Didn't you go to that? 819 00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:15,320 » No. He doesn't He's He's not a spur of the 820 00:54:13,720 --> 00:54:18,360 moment kind of person. It's the only way to live, isn't it, Nick? 821 00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:23,560 » I disagree. >> We are 822 00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:30,440 We are like opposites on everything. It's crazy. Um construction updates 823 00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:35,720 Terry's not here, but I will tell you if you look in your council meeting folders 824 00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:40,800 » We didn't find it. >> at the top of 2025 825 00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:45,040 is construction update pictures. >> Okay. 826 00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:47,680 This folder has taken a beating in the past 827 00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:49,200 year or two. >> So 828 00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:51,200 » missing a whole bunch of council meetings. 829 00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:53,920 » Oh, I moved them all under river so we didn't lose any. 830 00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:57,000 » Like you don't have to necessarily look at them now, but I'm just telling you 831 00:54:55,240 --> 00:54:59,240 they're there. If There's your construction update. There's pictures on 832 00:54:58,720 --> 00:55:02,920 there. >> phone. He needs a new camera. 833 00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:10,720 » Or he needs to learn how to like clean the lens on it. 834 00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:15,960 He probably doesn't clean the lens ever. HSA we've tabled claims. 835 00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:18,960 » Uh the claims that I sent you totaled $163,461.96. 836 00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:24,840 Uh we added three since yesterday and I don't know if anybody saw those. 837 00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:28,400 » those. >> Two were from Axon for police 838 00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:33,400 department. Uh one was one they sent us from April. 839 00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:36,720 There was a clerical error on the police department and he said 840 00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:40,560 they marked it as paid, but it wasn't actually paid so they sent it to them 841 00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:44,800 and with this current one they had and the other the second one was uh 842 00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:49,480 their new tasers that were approved. And the 843 00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:54,160 third one was a DLZ invoice that apparently I just didn't check mark in 844 00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:54,160 when I was doing all the others. 845 00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:02,000 And then I highlighted all the ACHs so you wouldn't get 846 00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:05,960 » I saw that. I appreciate that. Thank you. 847 00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:07,960 So I didn't have my panic button hit. >> Yeah. 848 00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:14,800 » What is our new total? >> Uh 1 163,461 849 00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:19,560 dollars and 96 cents. 850 00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:41,160 Uh while you're looking at that, I'll say the capital asset planning 851 00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:46,440 we came up with a an idea. 852 00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:51,880 Um I called him. Sally and I think that 110,000 we could 853 00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:57,240 easily whittle down to at least 75,000 by doing part of that in-house 854 00:56:54,360 --> 00:57:01,440 with their guidance and he made the comment that on projects like that they 855 00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:05,800 understand budget requirements. If they were to come in and do that and finish 856 00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:11,640 it by the end of the year, they would split it up into three budgets. They 857 00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:14,440 give us a document said you can charge a third of it this year, a third of it 858 00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:17,520 the next year's budget, and a third of it the next year's budget if you so want 859 00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:21,520 to do that. He said they do that with their municipal clients. 860 00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:24,520 So that's our thought process. We're just giving you an update. We 861 00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:26,520 don't have anything in stone yet. >> Okay. 862 00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:32,640 » We're going to go down that road and get more info from him if that's acceptable. 863 00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:37,880 » I mean, as long as you and Sally have time to do it in house and it doesn't 864 00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:43,840 step back any of the other things that would annoy state board of accounts 865 00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:47,520 because What I say that should be first. >> There's a number of things we think we 866 00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:51,440 could take a two days and go through with our list and say these things don't 867 00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:55,360 need to be kept or scanned. So they're going to go into 868 00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:58,520 a pile and once we get audited well, all that stuff down there has been audited. 869 00:57:57,120 --> 00:58:01,320 We can actually have that set for destruction. So we're not going to pay 870 00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:04,200 them to go through it. We're not going to pay them to scan it. We're not going 871 00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:09,080 to if we don't have to keep it, we're not going to keep it. 872 00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:13,680 But he identified 20 or 30 boxes of that would fall into 873 00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:16,760 » So we're going to have a big >> fun fun 874 00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:19,680 » truck come in with a scanner and >> They would come in with a truck and take 875 00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:23,000 everything, scan it. >> shredder 876 00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:26,240 » And then they would once the county they could bring it back 877 00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:30,360 and they can shred it or they'll just shred it for us per whatever the county 878 00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:33,880 guidelines are that we get approved first. And give us documentation on it, 879 00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:38,160 but that's further down the road type thing. 880 00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:40,080 » Has this ever been done before? >> No. 881 00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:41,680 » So this is it. >> You're not here. 882 00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:45,400 » new 70,000 >> We have stuff Yeah, we have stuff going 883 00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:48,160 back to the early 80s. >> 70s 884 00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:51,640 » Um I asked >> found a speeding ticket in one of the 885 00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:56,320 boxes that was given to Jake when he was 7 years old by Scott Stewart. 886 00:58:54,640 --> 00:59:00,400 on his bicycle >> I 887 00:58:57,240 --> 00:59:03,720 spoke to the county clerk. They use them and they're happy with it. I the county 888 00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:07,960 books office I'm talking to clerk tomorrow. They're happy. They use them. 889 00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:11,000 They're working on stuff right now. She said they actually are using them now or 890 00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:16,440 they're going back in there scanning everything from the 1800s that they have 891 00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:19,360 in the county. They're that far back. >> Nice. 892 00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:24,240 » So that's just an update. We don't have anything actionable. 893 00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:28,400 » claims I'm going to make a motion to approve 894 00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:32,880 the claims totaling 1,000 100,060 163,461.96. 895 00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:37,760 Excuse me. >> Can you repeat that, please? 896 00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:40,680 » Yeah. >> Which part? 897 00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:43,640 » I second. >> It's a motion and a second. All in 898 00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:47,480 favor? I. Opposed? 899 00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:52,360 You guys are great. Adjustments? 900 00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:56,280 » Oh, you know what? That was 4.4. I said the wrong thing, but 901 00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:58,120 Um I want to touch Can I touch on the capital asset planning? 902 00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:01,560 » Yes. >> The capital asset planning, there are 903 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:06,200 two agreements that we sign. And then 904 01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:11,000 talking to Chris, I was like, you know, we've used this person for all eternity. 905 01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:15,200 I don't know if they've ever been looked over by Kurt, so she thought it would be 906 01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:18,160 prudent to have Kurt look it over. So, we're getting ready to start doing our 907 01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:23,480 capital asset planning. So, we were looking for 908 01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:28,640 um authorization to approve the two 909 01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:33,920 What are they called? Engagement letters with 910 01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:38,840 um cap- the capital asset consultants for legal review and allowing Chris to 911 01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:41,440 sign outside of a meeting. They're exactly the same as they were 912 01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:43,360 last year and the year before and the year before. 913 01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:45,680 Uh like word for word. 914 01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:48,000 » Okay. Sorry. >> So moved. 915 01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:51,320 » I second. >> Have a motion and a second. All in 916 01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:51,880 favor? >> I. 917 01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:54,800 » I. >> I. Opposed? 918 01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:03,600 » I was thinking it. 919 01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:12,240 » Uh the adjustments. Adjustment I'm going to go over a couple 920 01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:16,000 on Sally May. I'll go over the ones I know. 921 01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:20,600 Uh adjustment A. Uh this person has two parcels. Uh it 922 01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:26,280 was combined by by assessor in 2020 into one parcel. Nobody 923 01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:30,240 notified us or the um parcel owner. So, we've been charging 924 01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:34,600 them stormwater for the non-existent parcel since June of 2020. 925 01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:40,240 So, if we take that times the number of months that he's already paid, he has 926 01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:40,240 overpaid $3,194.73. 927 01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:44,240 So, that would be a credit going back to his account. 928 01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:50,320 Um B is a person that you gave a credit to 929 01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:54,680 uh when we found an error in the type of meter they had. 930 01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:59,000 In the interim, while we approved and applied the credit, bills were run 931 01:01:56,760 --> 01:02:04,520 during the same time, and it also it it billed at the incorrect rate 932 01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:09,680 that last month as well. So, that $453 credit and A6 credit is 933 01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:13,600 billed at the wrong rate. We just didn't quite catch it cuz it was 934 01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:18,480 the same week as the um adjustment. 935 01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:23,080 » Not really a credit. It's offsetting the the if you look below, it's offsetting 936 01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:27,960 the $453.86 that was billed. So, it's really net to zero, and then 937 01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:31,360 the new bill amount is $58.15. >> She's the brains of this operation. 938 01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:36,160 Okay. >> But, that will also be credited because 939 01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:39,320 of >> Some of the credit going on. Okay. 940 01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:48,360 » It's just so hurtful, those big numbers. I don't remember C. 941 01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:51,600 » You know what? Um this is um the restaurant that was not paying the 942 01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:54,800 correct stormwater. >> Mhm. 943 01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:57,920 » Yeah, they uh approached us and wanted to know what a credit was cuz they heard 944 01:02:56,040 --> 01:03:01,320 somebody else had a credit. They wanted us to review their account. So, we 945 01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:07,280 reviewed their account, and we found that they owed us an additional $1,334 946 01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:10,880 because there was a a billing error in their account that has now been 947 01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:13,960 corrected. Uh D 948 01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:20,520 Uh D is someone that said they didn't 949 01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:23,760 receive their bill. Now that they know what their bill is, 950 01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:26,400 they want to know if the late fees could come off. 951 01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:34,040 E is a gentleman who 952 01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:43,160 He was being billed in the old storm water rate 953 01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:47,280 of $44 for his parcel. And then in 2021, 954 01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:54,160 it was changed to residential parcel fee of $8. He had overpaid up until 23, and 955 01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:58,600 we issued him credits. And he asked us to review his account 956 01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:02,400 because he thought there was an additional credit, and when we did 957 01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:09,240 we had to get into the old system and pull a bunch of records, and we owe him 958 01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:09,240 an additional $352.22 959 01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:14,600 from 2021 that he hasn't been credited for yet. 960 01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:16,960 He brought it up because his credits were running out, and he was thinking 961 01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:21,000 they were going to last a little longer. So, that's the part that didn't get 962 01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:25,040 calculated yet. From the old two-storm system. 963 01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:33,960 » Do we go back forever on these? >> Uh 964 01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:36,160 our running 965 01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:38,680 » Like if somebody shows up and they want 20 years worth of credits, you know what 966 01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:43,440 I mean? >> Our understanding is if they 967 01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:47,760 pay us we owe them. 968 01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:53,640 If we pay them, we only go back two years. 969 01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:57,160 But if they pay us, it's their money, and we shouldn't charge them, so we owe 970 01:04:55,600 --> 01:05:00,520 them their money. But in the reverse, we only go two 971 01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:03,000 years. That's been the direction. 972 01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:06,640 » So, there's What if we can't prove or they can't prove? Like it's just 973 01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:10,960 hearsay. I mean, obviously we don't have anything. When does it become hearsay? 974 01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:14,720 » We have to prove it with numbers and reports, or when we get audited the 975 01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:21,000 count the state board will make me reimburse the town whatever we did. 976 01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:24,080 So we got lots of paperwork cuz I'm not going to pay for it. Yeah. 977 01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:28,840 » Okay, so you need these >> What about that? 978 01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:32,200 » Do we do approved but 979 01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:34,240 Can we approve A, B, C and D? >> Who asked for that if you want? 980 01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:36,120 » A and >> You can approve them all. 981 01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:41,040 » A and E. >> Right. The only question is are you 982 01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:41,040 including D? 983 01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:46,120 » You would not. 984 01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:53,840 And I'm just one and three. >> I also would not 985 01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:54,720 because you can't blame us for the meter. 986 01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:56,880 » Yeah. >> Yeah. 987 01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:59,840 » Unfortunately. >> I I think it pretty much states that in 988 01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:03,080 the ordinance that it's your bill whether you receive it or not. 989 01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:07,920 We were under the impression they mailed the check and we hadn't received it yet 990 01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:11,440 when we prepared this, but >> Okay. 991 01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:11,440 » Um 992 01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:17,040 And F has to do with a compound meter issue that we were having 993 01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:19,920 as described and we were going to be replacing it with a new meter to correct 994 01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:22,160 it. Um 995 01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:27,080 I don't know how much more you want to go into that. 996 01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:30,280 » I was going to say, is that all we have to 997 01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:33,240 approve is the new meter or do we need to look at 998 01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:34,680 » You would have to look >> Okay. 999 01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:39,200 » Look at the adjustments and we would want direction 1000 01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:39,200 on 1001 01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:45,800 how to do it. Our our understanding is that when we 1002 01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:50,400 add the second meter that wasn't billing, we would charge them the 1003 01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:54,760 minimum for every month. And then once it gets to the end of the 1004 01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:58,640 time period, if there's anything left, we would add it on. 1005 01:06:57,280 --> 01:07:01,880 Just for that month cuz we don't have any way of showing where it is. 1006 01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:06,280 » So we can have >> So the minimum for water is 3,000 1007 01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:11,360 gallons. The minimum for waste water is zero. 1008 01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:14,080 So F the last month we would charge all the wastewater. 1009 01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:18,200 I mean, it wouldn't matter if you charged it the first month or the last 1010 01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:24,000 month. It's always by exact usage. >> How much could that potentially be? 1011 01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:24,000 » What would be the total 1012 01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:36,120 » 2 * 24 add two zeros. 1013 01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:38,720 Put that into sixes and it should work, but 1014 01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:41,760 um >> What did she just say? 1015 01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:48,080 » Did you follow >> I can do math if you Yeah. 1016 01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:48,080 » It could be probably around 48. 1017 01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:52,920 It could be a little over 20,000, couldn't it? 1018 01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:58,640 » So, we How about we would one direction on 1019 01:07:57,440 --> 01:08:00,560 Are you okay with the way we want to bill it and we'll bring you the number 1020 01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:03,120 back? >> Yeah, I would like 1021 01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:07,080 » Yeah. >> So, then the only thing would be on A, 1022 01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:09,720 B, C, D, and E. >> I think we should open the stalls at 1023 01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:13,600 that time. Giving them options to I mean, are we 1024 01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:14,840 going to expect them to just bring us a check? You know what I mean? 1025 01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:17,480 » Yeah. >> To give them some grace, I feel like. 1026 01:08:16,759 --> 01:08:20,920 » Oh. >> Yeah. 1027 01:08:18,759 --> 01:08:23,960 » And think about it, too. I almost would like to see bill them up front. 1028 01:08:23,319 --> 01:08:28,680 » Mhm. >> Uh because 1029 01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:33,319 once again, years pass, time goes on, people forget, people change. Seems to 1030 01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:35,560 me if you force the issue up front, by not if we have a problem immediately, we 1031 01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:37,759 can probably that issue in the future. 1032 01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:41,440 » Mhm. >> Just my thought. 1033 01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:43,480 » Absolutely. >> And it's going to bring that to a head 1034 01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:45,799 right now. >> Yeah. 1035 01:08:46,440 --> 01:08:49,680 » They'll have to be just 1036 01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:57,799 » All right, I make a motion to approve A, B, C, 1037 01:08:54,960 --> 01:09:00,640 E as approved, but the non-review. 1038 01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:06,640 Or as I was saying, not approved. Words are hard today. 1039 01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:09,120 » I second. >> Have a motion and a second. All in 1040 01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:09,839 favor. >> I. 1041 01:09:09,480 --> 01:09:12,920 » I. >> I. Opposed. 1042 01:09:16,359 --> 01:09:21,640 » We're getting somewhere. >> So you have direction on E? 1043 01:09:20,319 --> 01:09:23,040 » Yeah, F. Yes. 1044 01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:24,359 » F. >> F. 1045 01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:28,200 » F. >> That's what I meant. 1046 01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:31,920 » Okay. What else you got, Ted? 1047 01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:35,400 » I don't think anything. >> You have a cleaning contract. 1048 01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:37,200 » Oh, we have a cleaning contract. What do I have to do about 1049 01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:41,359 » Motion to approve, right? >> Motion uh sure. 1050 01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:45,080 We have a signed cleaning contract. Terry really wants them to start Monday. 1051 01:09:43,440 --> 01:09:48,240 » Cuz he's starting to clean in the back. >> He is all over it. 1052 01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:51,720 He just said done. I'm like you just gave it to me like an hour ago. 1053 01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:57,040 » Yeah, all right. Make a motion to approve 1054 01:09:53,759 --> 01:10:02,240 the cleaning contract. As of today as of okay. 1055 01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:04,920 » Can I look at it or or see it or something before? I mean no offense 1056 01:10:04,440 --> 01:10:07,400 here. >> Does he take Do you have it? 1057 01:10:06,440 --> 01:10:10,360 » I'll just give it to you. >> I'm going to take my 1058 01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:14,760 » Or just give me the number or something. 1059 01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:18,480 » Uh it's based on the quote. $750 per for the quote you approved. $750 a week. 1060 01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:20,600 » Oh, for that >> Yeah. 1061 01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:25,320 » I forgot about the company. >> I don't need any more, Kurt. 1062 01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:29,120 » You're welcome to I mean whatever. >> I second 1063 01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:32,560 » Okay, have a motion and a second. All in favor. I. I. 1064 01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:33,800 Opposed. >> I slept 1065 01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:37,840 » a couple >> It's okay. Yeah, take it with you. 1066 01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:39,720 » That's a five or an eight. >> Uh that's an eight. 1067 01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:43,840 » Okay. It's all right. That's what I thought it 1068 01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:47,880 was. That's what I thought it was. Um 1069 01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:52,960 I have with my pile here a job description for services support 1070 01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:57,440 three for streets. So um 1071 01:10:54,160 --> 01:11:01,960 » We had a service and support three for but it was wastewater base. 1072 01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:05,120 So, Terry asked me to convert it to streets and I just did it based off the 1073 01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:08,160 streets. But, 1074 01:11:06,280 --> 01:11:12,720 um we've been we've always had Kurt review 1075 01:11:10,480 --> 01:11:14,440 them after we did them because there's always stuff that 1076 01:11:13,320 --> 01:11:17,080 » Did you send it to him? >> I just gave it to him. 1077 01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:19,920 » Okay. All right. >> And Terry said yeah, he thought it'd be 1078 01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:23,000 prudent for him to review it. >> Okay. 1079 01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:30,440 » So, he would like to publicize that. So, we were looking to authorization to 1080 01:11:26,240 --> 01:11:33,760 approve that pending legal review. >> Okay. 1081 01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:33,760 » And a second. 1082 01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:40,560 And a loop. >> A second. 1083 01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:42,960 A motion and a second. All in favor. >> I. 1084 01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:47,160 » I. Opposed. Get down here. 1085 01:11:44,280 --> 01:11:47,160 I feel it coming. 1086 01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:51,680 I. Nick. Anything else? 1087 01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:54,440 Ted. >> Oh, I didn't know about that one, but I 1088 01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:56,200 hope there's nothing else. >> Mhm. 1089 01:11:55,600 --> 01:12:00,840 Kurt. >> Uh all I have is to follow up with 1090 01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:04,520 Terry's comment about needing the appointment of two appraisers. If you 1091 01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:08,520 want to for the property that you're considering selling up by the water 1092 01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:12,800 tower that uh Casey did the survey on. And 1093 01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:16,440 I don't know for sure who we would use, but the last time we used 1094 01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:20,520 Stanner and Bulbul. So, if they're still able and willing 1095 01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:24,320 and reasonable, I would just call them again. So, but if not, I would find 1096 01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:28,840 somebody else too or if you know somebody that you want who's tell me, 1097 01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:33,640 but motion to authorize me to order two secure two appraisals for that 1098 01:12:31,240 --> 01:12:37,480 property is what I'm proposing. >> So moved and a 1099 01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:38,880 » Second. I have a motion and a second. All in favor. 1100 01:12:38,360 --> 01:12:42,360 » I. >> I. Opposed. 1101 01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:45,840 » I sir. >> You I opposed. 1102 01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:50,040 I heard you. >> That was all. Did you have anything 1103 01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:50,040 else? 1104 01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:56,480 No. No. 1105 01:12:54,920 --> 01:13:02,080 Fire Chief job is live. 1106 01:12:59,640 --> 01:13:02,080 We have 1107 01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:09,160 not a lot of people lining up for it yet, but maybe they don't know. It's on 1108 01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:12,640 Indeed, right? >> Glassdoor and Indeed, I think. 1109 01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:15,120 » Is it on our website? >> It is on our website if you click on it 1110 01:13:14,160 --> 01:13:19,160 and then at the top where it says employment. Yeah. 1111 01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:19,160 » So. 1112 01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:25,680 We can get together when we have some applicants for interviews. 1113 01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:32,720 So, figure out um cuz we had talked us three and then um 1114 01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:37,160 maybe a couple firefighters, so if you can identify who they are. 1115 01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:40,200 All right. Perfect. Okay. 1116 01:13:40,280 --> 01:13:44,200 Make a motion to adjourn. 1117 01:13:44,280 --> 01:13:48,760 » I second. >> So, you looked at me like you were going 1118 01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:51,240 to have a date. >> You can second motion. 1119 01:13:50,120 --> 01:13:54,800 » I'll hear >> I. 1120 01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:58,480 » I oppose. I can and I could make motions, too, but I always feel like it 1121 01:13:56,840 --> 01:14:02,320 looks like I'm trying to direct the meeting and the outcome if I do, so 1122 01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:05,840 I sit here and >> But there's only three of us. You can 1123 01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:09,800 bite. >> So. 1124 01:14:07,320 --> 01:14:14,120 I I know there have been other people that sat here and drove it home, but I'm