[0:02] Okay. So,
>> Too much to talk of.
[0:05] » You're welcome.
>> How are you doing?
[0:07] » What do you mean?
You're here and you want to lead the
[0:10] prayer? Okay. I'll give it to you when
you're done.
[0:14] All right. Let's pray.
Lord, I just thank you
[0:18] for the opportunity to meet today.
I I just ask for wisdom within our
[0:22] conversations that we would make
decisions that are wise and good for the
[0:27] town, good for the people that live
here. We are so grateful for this
[0:30] opportunity. Thank you for the sunshine
and the cooler weather. We trust you
[0:34] and we love you. It's in Jesus' name we
pray. Amen.
[0:36] » Amen.
>> Pledge of Allegiance to the flag
[0:40] of the United States of America and to
the Republic for which it stands, one
[0:45] nation under God, indivisible, with
liberty and justice for all.
[0:54] » Want to bless the apple tree and for the
Constitution.
[0:59] I still remember it.
[1:05] All right.
[1:08] » We're recording but not live. I don't
have to work.
[1:11] » Do we have
Greg on?
[1:14] » Yes.
>> Just standing by?
[1:17] » We do now. I didn't Oh, we do now.
>> All right.
[1:21] Okay. So, we're going to start at the
top of the list with a public hearing
[1:26] for the 2026 budget.
And
[1:31] we are here to take any comments on the
budget.
[1:41] Hi, Greg.
>> Hi.
[1:44] Yeah.
Sorry, it glitched out.
[1:47] » have any comments on the budget?
[1:53] » Can you hear us?
>> It's so quiet.
[1:56] I can't hear you, Greg.
Come on, Greg.
[1:59] » We don't have an IT guy here, so
>> Oh, no.
[2:04] » It's sign language.
>> We can see him.
[2:07] » How about now?
I can hear you.
[2:11] » There, there he is.
>> We can hear you.
[2:14] » Good.
[2:17] All right. So, I opened the hearing and
nobody has said anything.
[2:23] Do you have anything you'd like to add,
Greg?
[2:26] » Well, it other than you know, I know the
council's worked really hard and I'm
[2:32] putting together the budget. We
put the form three on gateway. Form
[2:40] three shows some proposed tax levies as
compared to the current tax levy and
[2:45] average
we advertise those high as we always do.
[2:50] Your maximum levy growth quotient is 4%,
so you will not go over the 4% no matter
[2:57] what the state will cut you back and as
I told the council, you'll lose half if
[3:03] not all of that next year due to the new
$300 credit the lesser of 10% or $300.
[3:12] So, we've got to be very very careful
and and that's why I recommended not to
[3:17] exceed 3% on the salaries and next year
we might be dealing with zero.
[3:24] You just don't know. Uh zero in the
growth quotient, which means maybe
[3:30] hard to even give a raise. So, that's
was my guidance in the all day workshop
[3:35] that we had and it is still my guidance
at this point in time. So, I will yield
[3:41] the floor back.
>> Thank you, Greg.
[3:48] Do you guys have any questions for Greg?
[3:55] » Here's your opportunity going once,
twice,
[4:01] three times.
All right, we'll close the public
[4:04] hearing. Thank you, Greg.
>> Sure, do you need me for anything else
[4:08] tonight?
>> I think we're okay.
[4:12] » I know you're okay.
[4:16] » I heard you have an appointment. We'll
let you go.
[4:18] » Thank you very much. Have a good
evening.
[4:20] » Thanks, Greg.
>> Bye.
[4:24] » All right.
[4:29] We need a motion to
[4:33] accept the agenda.
>> go back. Sorry.
[4:35] » I make a motion to accept the agenda
with flex flexibilities.
[4:39] » I second.
>> Have a motion and a second. All in
[4:41] favor?
>> Aye.
[4:42] » Aye. And opposed?
That was easy.
[4:47] I'm going to skip down to the PD because
they have someplace they need to go.
[4:57] » Just
monthly reports for August.
[5:01] So, just looks like typical. Nothing's
really changed and we're down on
[5:07] our traffic stops
since it's pretty much two of us and
[5:12] Brian graduates tomorrow, so we'll
Everything goes as planned, he'll be
[5:16] starting next Wednesday.
So, like I said,
[5:20] uh like a lot of our stats are down.
We've definitely got our agency assist
[5:23] her up and then
extra patrols are up cuz the school.
[5:27] We're trying to make sure that we have
at least an officer there twice a day
[5:31] checking schools out.
Make sure everyone's getting dropped off
[5:34] and picked up.
And uh
[5:37] library details are down, case reports
are down.
[5:40] And crash reports are
normally high around this time of year
[5:43] cuz people like to back into to other up
there. this degree.
[5:47] So, I think that's pretty much it on my
end. Do you guys got any questions?
[5:54] » None for me.
>> Thank you.
[5:56] » Thanks.
>> Thank you.
[5:57] » That was easy.
10:00 tomorrow?
[6:01] All right. See you.
[6:07] I'll be nice and let you go, too, before
I go back.
[6:11] Come on up, Lyle.
>> have to leave early.
[6:14] » I might have to.
>> I mean, he's got three things here.
[6:16] Maybe I should have him sit back down.
>> Uh two things, actually. I don't The one
[6:21] was just a
quote to show
[6:24] um
I'm trying to get multiple quotes. So,
[6:27] working on this engine that we have
coming for next year, um
[6:31] the new engine that's replacing engine
22, the pumper. So, just trying to get
[6:36] our uh
equipment on order so we have everything
[6:39] here for that. Um I sent out the two
different companies an equipment list
[6:44] that we want for that truck. And uh the
one I got back I got it back from
[6:48] McQueen Emergency and from Hoosier Fire
Equipment. Hoosier Fire Equipment was
[6:52] the most responsive with the equipment
that we're looking for and having the um
[6:56] a quote for the stuff that we want. So,
my request would be to have town council
[7:00] approve the purchase from Hoosier Fire
for a total of $19,915.31.
[7:07] And uh I'd like to use the lit public
safety funds for that.
[7:10] » I have one comment on it. I don't know
what you think about it.
[7:14] Surely share it with you. Then what do
you think? It still has that 25%
[7:18] restocking fee that we've talked about
getting negotiated away. Is that
[7:23] something you think they'll do or is it
not worth even talking about?
[7:26] » Um the 25% restocking fee is if we order
something and we say, "No, we don't want
[7:31] this anymore. Take it back." That would
be the only time we would get the 25%.
[7:35] If it's an error that they made, then
they stand behind their their product.
[7:39] Um
>> And you think it's fair for us to get
[7:41] charged 25% if you order? I'm just
asking because it's not normal to me.
[7:45] » I mean, I
I guess I don't I don't know. I
[7:49] » Okay. Well, I just
>> Before, so quotes that we've had before,
[7:53] I've asked them to
>> Take it out.
[7:55] » take that out and and change it and
they did it one time and then they might
[7:59] not have done it on this one. I didn't
catch that. I usually try to go through
[8:02] and catch that stuff.
>> That's my only comment. Sorry. Don't
[8:04] know why they keep putting that in
there. It seems unreasonable.
[8:07] » Mhm.
>> Uh looks like stuff you're not likely to
[8:11] return anyway.
>> Oh, exactly.
[8:12] » Yeah.
[8:16] Okay.
[8:19] » Is it something we can
approve if they remove it?
[8:25] » And as long as it doesn't mess up what
he's trying to do with it.
[8:28] I don't know
how hard it is to They have done it in
[8:31] the past.
>> They have, yeah.
[8:32] » And I don't know why they
keep doing
[8:34] » Yeah, they've they've changed that in
the past. However, the the stuff that's
[8:38] on this quote is all stuff that
we need to have on that truck anyways.
[8:42] So, it's not like we're not going to
return.
[8:45] » Let's see, if you don't use it on this
truck, would you use it somewhere else?
[8:48] » Yeah, if if we can't put it on this
truck, we can put it on one of the other
[8:50] trucks.
>> And do we pay by credit card?
[8:54] Is there a No. Okay.
>> No, we'll send a check.
[8:57] » I just saw that there was a 3% service
fee.
[9:00] » Mhm.
>> It could if there wasn't.
[9:02] » Yeah.
>> Yeah.
[9:13] » Yeah, as long as you're comfortable that
there won't be any return stuff.
[9:19] » Uh yeah, I'm comfortable with it. I've
I've dealt with them through Goshen Fire
[9:23] Department as well and
um got some stuff that we bought through
[9:27] them ended up not fitting the equipment
that we had. It was kind of a we didn't
[9:31] know that what we needed, they didn't
know what we were looking for and they
[9:34] ended up returning it without the 25%
restocking fee. So, they're
[9:39] again, it's on the contract, but we've
been had a working relationship with
[9:42] them and haven't had any issues.
[9:47] But, I can always I mean, just ask him
to to change that if we
[9:50] » I think I think going forward
>> Mhm.
[9:52] » I think I think
going forward, but just remind him that
[9:55] would be
>> Okay.
[9:57] » that would be well.
Make a motion to approve the quote from
[10:00] who's your fire equipment ink for
$19,915.31.
[10:06] » Second.
>> I have a motion and a second. All in
[10:09] favor?
>> I.
[10:10] » I. Opposed?
What else you got, Lyle?
[10:13] » Uh the second thing is a saw purchase
from All Hands Fire Equipment. Uh if you
[10:18] remember earlier this year, we bought a
cordless
[10:22] uh
circular saw from them um to start
[10:25] phasing out our gas equipment. And so,
this would be battery saws to add on to
[10:30] the new truck. Um instead of trying to
buy any more gas equipment, we'll just
[10:34] continue the trend of buying battery
tools. So, this is for two Husqvarna
[10:38] saws. One's a chainsaw, one's a um
circular saw. So, I request council
[10:43] approve the quote from All Hands Fire
Equipment for $4,899.80.
[10:49] Also paid from the public safety.
[10:53] » So
>> Second.
[10:55] » I have a motion and a second. All in
favor?
[10:57] » I.
>> I.
[10:58] » And opposed?
[11:02] » So, that will complete most of the
purchases that we need for that truck
[11:06] other than um some Milwaukee hand tools
that we'll end up buying through Alpha.
[11:11] Um they give us a pretty good deal on on
their cordless tools. And then also,
[11:15] just some radio equipment that we'll
have to buy, which
[11:18] will be expensive, but um I'm working on
getting quotes around for that now, so
[11:22] we can get that purchase started as
well.
[11:23] » All right. Thank you.
>> Anything else for me?
[11:26] » Thank you.
>> No.
[11:27] » All right.
>> Thank you.
[11:30] » Okay.
[11:37] I'm jumping all over.
We're going to get you guys out, too, if
[11:41] you want um tax abatement.
[11:46] Unless you want to sit here through the
whole list.
[11:48] » I can't, but
I'm happy to go. So, hi. Uh I'm Sherry
[11:52] Johnson with the LaGrange County
Economic Development Corporation.
[11:56] Um I'm happy to support a request for a
10-year tax abatement for Prime Property
[12:01] doing business as E&S Sales.
E&S Sales has been a valued and growing
[12:06] partnership to Wana the Shipshewana
business community, and they are now
[12:10] preparing a significant $10 million
investment in their operations. This
[12:14] expansion represents not only a major
financial commitment to Shipshewana, but
[12:18] also an important opportunity to
strengthen the local economy, retain and
[12:23] create jobs, and support continued
growth in Shipshewana's commercial
[12:26] sector.
The project includes a 40 by 320 new
[12:30] retail store. The store will hire an
additional 29 employees with wages of
[12:35] eight approximately $844,000.
Uh the 10-year tax abatement is
[12:40] estimated to equate to $604,449
[12:45] of tax savings.
Um I've also I Cherry requested a
[12:49] 5-year, too, so I've got that
information on that. Um but Dwayne
[12:52] Chupp's here, and he can um he's going
to just talk on the project just a
[12:56] little bit more just what they've got
going, and then we can answer any
[12:59] questions.
[13:05] » Dwayne Chupp Dwayne Chupp with E&S. Um
Good evening everybody. Uh
[13:11] uh just the project we got going I see
uh you probably see what we got going
[13:15] and it's going up already, and we're
definitely excited about it. We're going
[13:19] to be adding um
new stuff. I think though the one of the
[13:24] biggest thing we're adding is
is a eater replace, so it's a food
[13:29] beverage tax deal that I think will
increase and that we used to have it in
[13:34] the old store then we had to take it
out. We didn't Well, we did through the
[13:37] COVID and then we never replaced it, but
we are putting in
[13:41] I'm sorry. I don't even know how much
seating on top loft and
[13:45] have an area where people sit down, they
can eat ice cream,
[13:49] eat a sandwich, salad, whatever. So, I
think we're going to benefit there. Um
[13:54] I'm hoping to increase business um
35 to 40%.
[14:00] I need to.
Uh so, of course, I'm hoping to bring
[14:06] more people in that way, you know, and
uh I'm really pushing to get more of my
[14:10] uh I call it local tourists.
Uh and when I say local tourists, I'm
[14:14] talking South Bend, Fort Wayne, and
them area from Detroit, get more people
[14:20] like that to come down visit us and
so
[14:24] um
of course, uh
[14:26] the old ENS where the retail is now is
going to be empty. Not sure, we haven't
[14:32] quite decided, but we are going to have
a new
[14:35] not a new, but an empty retail space
somewhere, either ENS or
[14:40] at Country Road. So, we're
going to develop a new business again.
[14:45] We have
like five things on the list to do and
[14:49] we're still on the arguing stage as
owners what's going to happen, so um
[14:55] that's really all I got and fire away
questions if you have any or
[14:59] you know, yeah.
[15:02] It would It would really help us to do I
mean we've
[15:06] we've grown uh I
I forget this. I think this is the sixth
[15:10] step we took in 39 years.
Um started out small, went to the next.
[15:16] Now, it looks all chopped up, but now
it is sometimes it would have been nice
[15:20] if we would have started where
what we're putting up now, but
[15:24] that's often times when you start out
way too big, you can't support it. So,
[15:29] I'm hoping there's no guarantees in
this, guys.
[15:32] Anything can happen in business.
But, we're going to give it all all we
[15:36] got.
And uh
[15:39] So, it and and it is the biggest step
that we ever took. And and and it is is
[15:45] the scariest step. I I'll be honest.
It's it's not just like we sit back and
[15:48] relax because we got to work that out,
but we have have a lot of family members
[15:53] that are very excited about it that are
in the store right now already
[15:57] being part of it. So,
I think it'll keep rolling and hope it
[16:02] will.
[16:06] » Here's my fear.
>> Yep.
[16:07] » You know, I I really like you. I really
appreciate you.
[16:10] » away. I
>> Okay. But, my fear is
[16:13] all the things we have going on in the
town right now. I've got a couple of
[16:15] fears. All the things we have going on
in the town right now.
[16:18] Not knowing what the future holds for
what we're going to get with property
[16:22] taxes. Not knowing what that's going to
look like for us in the town.
[16:25] Um
knowing that we are responsible for a
[16:28] lot of other taxing units when we make
this decision.
[16:32] Um
I trust you and I trust that you'll do
[16:35] everything you can to make this work.
There's no question about that.
[16:39] But, it it worries me when
we're looking at that big of a decision.
[16:43] And one of my my biggest concerns is I'm
sitting here on this board looking at
[16:49] maybe some issues that we had 10 years
ago when I wasn't on this board. And now
[16:53] I'm having to reap the consequences of
the decisions that were made then. And
[16:57] so, looking
5 10 years down the road trying to make
[17:01] a decision
for the people that are trying to
[17:04] develop this community. It's just
there's a lot to think about. Um
[17:08] and so,
I want to help and we're in a tight
[17:12] we're in a we're in a hard position
because
[17:14] it's not someone that we don't trust
standing in front of us. It's someone
[17:18] that we do trust. And so, um I don't
know what I don't know when it comes to
[17:22] tax abatements, but I do want you to
hear me say I'm struggling because I
[17:26] don't I want to help and yet I also am
struggling to make that decision for the
[17:31] rest of
our community. So,
[17:34] that's not a question, I guess. I'm
sorry.
[17:37] » No, it's awesome here and I understand.
>> Mhm.
[17:40] » Um
you know, uh
[17:42] she proposed a 10 and a 5 and if we can
even get help with a 5 or something,
[17:47] just uh
[17:50] would help us just uh to try and get the
first couple years and
[17:54] so we can do this. I mean,
[17:58] » She said it really well.
>> Yeah, you know
[18:00] » She said it really well and that's um
some of the some of the same things I
[18:05] struggle with and that we talked about
is I we know you guys. We We trust you
[18:10] as as business men and women. Um we
don't know with Senate Bill 1
[18:18] how that's going to end up for us in two
to three years. We might be looking at
[18:23] no property tax at all.
And
[18:28] I I don't know.
It's a hard place. It's a hard place.
[18:33] I know
I know at least you won't do
[18:37] what the first company did that I was on
a board and gave a tax abatement to,
[18:42] which was leave as soon as it was up. Um
I I know that won't happen, but I
[18:49] it's it's a hard place.
>> I think that with Senate Bill 1, we had
[18:53] a meeting with Sue this morning. You
know, they're going back in the
[18:56] legislative session here shortly and
there's an excess like in the state's
[19:00] budget. So, they're going to take a look
at it and they've been hearing
[19:03] taxpayers. So, we don't I mean, the way
it stands now is what we have to go by,
[19:07] but there's potential that things could
change in this next session.
[19:11] But, if you don't get property taxes,
there wouldn't be anything abatable
[19:15] » Mhm.
>> in the future.
[19:17] » Right.
>> Mhm.
[19:21] » The abatement would just basically go
away.
[19:25] I- if
>> Mhm.
[19:32] » My opinion would be such that
and it and it isn't because I'm
[19:38] and
this isn't a vote for me, but it is
[19:41] to be heard.
I believe in supporting local businesses
[19:45] the best that we can. And I know that in
the past, different boards have made
[19:49] decisions for companies coming from
outside of the town
[19:54] bringing them into town.
And I understand that. But, I also
[19:58] understand
businesses that have invested heavily in
[20:03] this town.
And what's their reward? I mean, yeah.
[20:07] Yeah, they're established, and yeah,
they get
[20:11] the business. But, at the same time,
is that our place as a town, you know,
[20:15] council to
help them out in that sense where we can
[20:19] abate some?
I believe it is because why why
[20:22] incentivize, you know, what if you guys
chose to go just outside of town,
[20:27] and then there's no tax for us anyway?
So, that's just my That's my stance.
[20:32] » And and and and I don't know if you
remember was it 3 or 4 years ago now
[20:37] that you annexed us?
I don't think one of us was up here
[20:42] fighting.
We didn't come fight.
[20:47] I don't think I complained.
And my taxes doubled.
[20:51] I was at 20,000.
And the following year it was 40,000.
[20:56] I didn't come in to to any of you and
say,
[21:01] or I didn't go get a lawyer and fight
you guys not to annex me.
[21:07] So,
I think that was a benefit, too. And I'm
[21:10] usually not Yeah, I've been in the last
meetings, you know, and then and
[21:16] won't get off the subject and talk about
the sewer. I I want to do I want to help
[21:19] it, you know. I I am in this community.
I'm planning on staying.
[21:24] Hopefully in 10 years I'll slow down a
little bit, but
[21:27] I I I have a lot of family and I have
nephews and nieces that are in the
[21:31] business that are taking a good
interest, have been with me for over 5
[21:35] years now, and they want me to take this
to the next step and keep it growing.
[21:40] And and it it's it's going to be my my
taxes on it if I look at it, it's going
[21:44] to be
It's going to be huge. It's going to be
[21:47] huge.
Um
[21:50] And it would it would really help me
just to get
[21:54] first couple years
behind us.
[21:59] And and and we we've been very
successful. I'm not complaining.
[22:02] But as a business,
we didn't have the cash sitting here
[22:06] waiting to do this project.
[22:12] Yes, I'm not a businessman enough to do
it.
[22:15] So, and I understand your point of view.
>> Well, there's there's just so many sides
[22:20] to it. Like generally, um
abatements are, like he said, for new
[22:24] businesses coming in, um not for
established businesses.
[22:30] Um
I just heard you say that one of these
[22:34] remaining buildings is going to be a new
business if you and your brothers can
[22:38] put bigger in about it, right?
Um
[22:42] » We're going to We're going to
put something in it. If we don't
[22:46] personally,
some people that are out in the country
[22:49] will be.
>> So,
[22:55] some benefits I see to to
to doing the tax abatement is
[23:01] if we don't do it now, we we can't do it
once it's established. So, you know,
[23:05] that's that's
one thing that I I have to take into
[23:09] consideration.
Um
[23:11] It's just a question for Kurt, and I
think I know the answer to it, but let's
[23:14] say we agree to a 5-year tax abatement,
and um
[23:19] they're they're in good standing, can we
extend a tax abatement? No, it's only
[23:23] what we agree to now.
>> Okay, were to sell, you can transfer the
[23:27] the abatement to the new company, but
you can't extend it.
[23:32] Uh once you set it, cuz the basis set
now,
[23:35] and whatever the increment is is what's
abated.
[23:38] » Okay.
And this wouldn't take effect until
[23:41] closing and everything is Is that
correct?
[23:44] » take effect for next year's assessment,
okay, which is in January.
[23:49] If
>> Yeah, we'll do it.
[23:50] » By the way, we're hoping to move in, not
open, but move in June 1st, okay? Is Is
[23:56] our goal.
But there's a lot of winter
[24:00] and spring weather to come yet.
>> So, we completely assessed in January.
[24:04] It's hard.
>> So, um
[24:07] You have an idea on yet?
>> I I don't I want to cut this short, but
[24:10] then I should have asked We were up all
night. I mean, I do until I go to sleep.
[24:14] » Um
is there anything legally that we could
[24:18] say, okay, let's look at a tax abatement
at the cost of like like for the like
[24:23] for him to incur the cost for it would
take like that it would take for us to
[24:27] go through the process to to create a
tax abatement?
[24:29] » Well,
that's a good question, and I have
[24:32] encouraged the council over the years to
establish a filing fee with an ordinance
[24:37] like the county has, and the council's
never done that. So, we can't do it
[24:42] um
retroactively.
[24:45] They can donate if they want, but we
can't require them. Now, what we can do
[24:49] is require them to
as a condition of the abatement in terms
[24:53] of the agreement return a certain
percentage of the savings and I don't
[24:58] know
that happens elsewhere but it does
[25:01] happen at the county in some
circumstances.
[25:04] » You can require 3 5% or so to be
returned but that money has to be used
[25:09] for economic development purposes only
has to have vents around it. So
[25:13] you can't condition it on them paying
the cost. You could have had an
[25:18] ordinance that says they have to pay a
fine if you hang the county's 20
[25:23] 2000 rate by 100
to help the for the cover the cost
[25:27] administering the doing it but we don't
have anything in place to my knowledge
[25:31] here to do that. So we're kind of stuck
with not being able to. So your
[25:36] flexibility is in the amount of years
and the percentages and you have maximum
[25:40] flexibility to do whatever you They
they've submitted a 10 and a 5 year and
[25:44] we looked at those numbers and
but you can
[25:48] » But one more question then. Let's say
they don't uphold those standards and we
[25:53] end up having to to
let them off terminate that's better
[25:57] word for it.
>> Okay. Yeah.
[25:59] » Um is there any language that we can put
into that that that would be at the cost
[26:02] of since we it wouldn't be current but
could we get an or I mean
[26:07] » One of the things that the abatement
agreement talks about is if they breach
[26:10] the agreement then they have to pay for
returning savings and everything like
[26:14] that but to get those unless they're
willing to pay you got to go to court to
[26:18] enforce it. So that would be a really
long way down the road. You basically
[26:22] have to sue them to get to get it.
>> To get it. Okay.
[26:26] » Can I ask a procedural question? Is any
If this were to go to vote does anyone
[26:30] have to abstain?
>> Anybody that
[26:32] » We were going to have that discussion in
the end.
[26:35] » Anybody that's uh
net worth is uh
[26:40] can be affected positively by the
statute says if their net worth is can
[26:44] increase as a result of the taxpayer
getting the abatement.
[26:50] » Cuz if two have to abstain
yeah three vote has to abstain.
[26:54] » Then there's no vote.
>> So you couldn't you'd have to table it
[26:56] for next. That's my only thought. I was
just wondering.
[26:58] » Yeah, that was that was a sidebar
discussion Kurt and I had. Um
[27:02] » And I'm not saying anybody does. I'm
saying that's the rule. Somebody's net
[27:05] worth can be increased by the taxpayer
through So it is. Employment, other
[27:10] relationships.
>> What What happens at this point is we
[27:13] don't vote on the abatement because
[27:19] that application should have come in
before you broke ground, but we vote on
[27:24] sending the attorney in the direction of
making that happen um by way of more
[27:31] documents and a public hearing.
Just so you understand that part.
[27:36] » we have to go to public hearing and
Shirley knows this is because it's
[27:38] already started.
We don't have to do that if the taxpayer
[27:43] comes in before. So
>> So, yeah.
[27:46] » Gives the public the right to
if they come,
[27:50] speak.
>> That happened because he wanted They
[27:53] wanted to stake it on it when I wanted
to.
[27:55] » Mhm.
Yeah, I would I was just letting you
[27:58] know that's like when when we vote,
that's what we're voting on, not um not
[28:03] yes or no on the abatement. And then um
also
[28:09] » be something Sorry, would that be
something that the abs- abstain would
[28:12] need to happen on or not?
>> I don't think that and I'm not saying
[28:16] anybody does or doesn't have any uh
pecuniary interest is what the statute
[28:21] says. But if If somebody has a pecuniary
interest in this taxpayer, they should
[28:25] not vote on any of these matters.
Zero.
[28:30] Now, that is
not something I enforce. That's
[28:34] something the State Ethics Commission
would enforce if somebody would
[28:37] complain.
[28:42] » So, um
I lost my train of thought.
[28:45] » It's okay. It's all right. Um
>> I'm not hearing anything.
[28:50] » Yeah, there was one more thing I was
going to say. It's lost. It's gone.
[28:53] It'll come back sometime tonight.
>> I don't have a whole lot more than what
[28:57] everyone has already said. Um
you were
[29:02] after meetings where we had to decide
what to do with a new sewer plant.
[29:07] Um
and not necessarily blaming the previous
[29:11] town council for for that, but that it
played a part in it.
[29:16] And I certainly don't want to um
[29:20] be talked about 10 or 20 years from now
on decisions that I made. Um
[29:26] whether if the decisions I make
are
[29:30] um
in majority or not. Um
[29:34] the bad part about this whole deal is
[29:39] we can't predict the future.
Um we do know what you and your
[29:44] businesses bring to this
town.
[29:47] Um
[29:50] unfortunately, I'm just
really struggling with making the same
[29:54] decisions
that the previous council did that now I
[29:58] got to deal with.
Um whether it's right or wrong, I don't
[30:01] know yet.
Um but that that's where I'm at right
[30:04] now.
Before
[30:08] I would I was thrilled with
You didn't apply for it
[30:13] a month ago or 2 months ago. So, we
wouldn't have to deal with it cuz I
[30:16] didn't want to have to make this
decision
[30:18] um
[30:20] » Which one did we file for?
>> When?
[30:23] » Yeah.
[30:26] » I see the percentage.
>> And that's now.
[30:29] » Yeah.
>> I'm not
[30:30] » doing logistics but
>> I mean, I guess this is stated
[30:33] for what period?
Yeah, June 30th.
[30:36] » It's June 30th.
[30:41] That's my stuff, listen to me, man.
I'll decide which way I'll vote when if
[30:47] we come to a vote then.
[30:50] » But we don't have to go with either of
these.
[30:52] » No, these are good, helpful
>> They're good, helpful
[30:56] » tools.
Yeah.
[30:59] » But both
>> So we could do a five year and
[31:04] » Yeah, you can do percentages and
[31:09] » Yeah.
>> And probably
[31:12] » 80/60/40
>> If you want her to have her run
[31:16] different number scenarios, she'll
probably would be happy to.
[31:20] » But right now
what we need is a vote on whether or not
[31:25] to do it.
>> I don't know if you have
[31:27] » Well, we might not have a quorum. Okay,
so I guess
[31:37] » You have to have
>> Here's the hard part of living in a
[31:39] small town.
My husband's a drywall contractor.
[31:42] You're a general contractor. My husband
does
[31:46] most of his work.
So for that reason I'm going to not vote
[31:51] on this.
>> Got you.
[31:52] » Because I don't look good in orange.
And I you know, I don't have a lot of
[31:57] years left but I want to live them
outside.
[32:01] » Sure.
>> So yeah, for that for that reason I am
[32:05] not going to vote and you need three
people to vote. So
[32:12] I don't know how you feel about orange.
>> Well, good question. On my position is
[32:17] to give him direction on this part of
it.
[32:25] My favoring and my my lean to on this is
that I would give direction on a five
[32:31] year
and to look at that and I would vote on
[32:34] it.
>> You would vote on it?
[32:36] » I would.
Cuz I have no
[32:38] » Going down.
>> I have no
[32:42] definitely is on that one.
Now, when it comes to actually approving
[32:46] it, then I would I would abstain myself
from that.
[32:52] That's my stance.
[32:58] And we can wait and table it or whatever
till Tim gets here, too, if we want, but
[33:02] or we can table it till the next meeting
and have it
[33:04] » a position with
three they can
[33:09] I mean
So, here's here's the You could make a
[33:13] motion. It could get a second. It could
get a vote. You could make a motion. It
[33:17] could die for a lack of second.
Um
[33:21] I want to be very clear before I make a
motion on anything.
[33:26] Exactly like all I would be doing if I
were to make a motion would be to give
[33:31] Kurt direction
to draft
[33:36] paperwork for a public hearing.
It wouldn't be a public hearing that
[33:39] would present what we would vote on or
it would be.
[33:42] » to have I have to know
um what we're doing as far as 5, 10, 3,
[33:50] 6, whatever. So,
what would it
[33:53] » So
>> You don't have to know it, but then the
[33:55] problem's going to be you're going to
debate that in the hearing, which is
[33:58] fine if you want to do that. If you want
the hearing to be on Here's a 5-year
[34:03] abatement. Here's a 10-year abatement.
We have those numbers. I can do that
[34:06] right now. If you want something
different I I would need to be given
[34:10] some direction and some numbers because
right now the only
[34:14] the two things I have are the ability to
produce documents for a 5-year and the
[34:18] ability to produce documents for a
10-year based on these percentages,
[34:21] which also you don't have to honor. You
can
[34:25] look at those any way you want, right?
So,
[34:28] um they I'm just looking at it. The
5-year says 100% the first year, 80% the
[34:33] second year, 60%, 40%, 20%, and then
zero. Of course, that's the end.
[34:38] You don't have to do that. You could do
100% the whole time.
[34:41] You could do 10% the whole time.
Uh and the same is true with the
[34:46] a 10-year, which is 195, 80, 65, on and
on.
[34:51] You could direct me to prepare, with her
help, the numbers and the documents that
[34:56] would be a 10-year abatement at 10% a
year, or heavy loaded at the front like
[35:01] it is historically set up and how this
is set up.
[35:04] All I'm trying to say is
>> You need to
[35:07] » the limit. It's infinite number of
combinations if I don't get some
[35:10] direction.
>> Mhm.
[35:12] I guess that's my question. Is Is the
sky still limited with your with your
[35:16] ability to do anything with the decision
that we make tonight as long as we give
[35:19] you direction? Cuz I don't I don't feel
comfortable to say this is what I want
[35:22] right now.
But I do feel comfortable saying I'm
[35:25] okay with us drafting up some options.
Is what I'm trying to
[35:30] » And for the sake of discussion, are you
5-year or 10-year?
[35:34] » I 5-year. I mean, I'm not I'm not I
don't want to look at 10-year. That's
[35:37] That's too long for me to to feel like
I'm making that decision. But
[35:42] » If If you If you're comfortable
directing me and if the vote passes to
[35:48] give me authority to draft the abatement
agreement, the notices, the hearings
[35:52] that have to go in the paper, and all
the uh resolutions that go along with
[35:56] that, uh
based on this 5-year schedule, I can
[35:59] absolutely do that. If the 5-year
schedule changes or your decision
[36:03] changes at the meeting, that's also
okay. It just means we'll be another
[36:07] meeting where I have to get caught up,
change things.
[36:10] The hearing doesn't have to be on a
schedule, is what I'm trying to say. You
[36:14] can just have a hearing on are we going
to grant abatement? It's just that if
[36:17] you want to be prepared so that you can
sign something and approve something,
[36:20] I need direct.
And they're going to need to sign an
[36:24] abatement agreement, but if I don't know
what it is, I can't give it to him so
[36:27] it's a chicken or the egg. What presents
the problem for me as a drafter is we're
[36:31] having a hearing on something because
it's already built.
[36:35] Normally it's not that way. So that
causes me dilemma because I would
[36:39] normally tell you don't have a hearing
if you don't have a signed abatement
[36:41] agreement, but I can't give you a signed
abatement agreement if I don't know what
[36:44] we're doing. So it it is the chicken or
the egg. So you to a certain extent
[36:47] spend a lot of effort and time having a
hearing on something you may never
[36:51] approve. If you're okay with that and
you don't mind having me do that work.
[36:55] » Absolutely. I would do it clearly.
>> Just not okay with either one right now.
[37:02] Like right this second. I feel like I'm
a meeting too early right now.
[37:07] I mean how like we table it and have
more dis like in the midst of before
[37:12] between the net between this meeting
golly I can't talk between this meeting
[37:14] and the next meeting.
Without a public hearing next meeting,
[37:18] we still have some flexibility to look
at what our options are.
[37:21] » Mhm. In the middle of all that.
>> Yes and you
[37:23] » come more prepared to schedule a hearing
if we want to.
[37:25] » Right. And your hearing wouldn't happen
just so you know at the next meeting
[37:28] because of the publication. We have one
public Yeah. So it's going to be a month
[37:32] from
>> Okay.
[37:33] » because we can't get it in the newspaper
in time and all that. But
[37:37] we can have the hearing without knowing
what the percentages are.
[37:41] It just delays the application of
anything. In their case, it doesn't
[37:46] matter too much probably because the
reality of it is is we're already
[37:51] doing it a little backwards even.
Meaning we don't have the
[37:56] the building's already built to so you
know, not built but it's all but
[38:00] » Here's where I'm at. I don't feel
comfortable saying no.
[38:03] I don't feel comfortable saying yes
right this second.
[38:07] I don't feel like I could walk away
feeling
[38:10] » If you want to have a public hearing and
not even
[38:14] have any preparation, not have them sign
an abatement agreement you can also do
[38:19] that. The abatement agreement is
something that we typically get from the
[38:23] taxpayer to commit to certain things
before you spend the money on me doing
[38:28] all of this, right? If you don't If
you're not worried about that, and you
[38:32] just want to put it out there, we can
put it out there in a hearing, and you
[38:37] can have time to debate and cuss and
discuss it all and go from there.
[38:42] » Nice. I'm going to say something. I
don't know if I should say it, but I'm
[38:46] going to just so that you hear us,
Dwayne. I I guess one of my concerns is
[38:51] too is paying for some of these things.
So, just hear me say that, okay? Um
[38:57] paying for some of these things that we
wouldn't have had to pay for
[39:00] had it been applied before for for the
taxpayers. So, that's that's one of my
[39:04] concerns with saying let's go ahead and
do the hearing. Um and without having an
[39:08] ordinance in place to have a filing fee,
I feel like that could take care of some
[39:13] of that that concern um as far as
using some of our taxpayers' money to
[39:20] to draft paperwork.
>> I I'm I'm going to comment on the
[39:25] waving the nonconformity just for a
second. We've done it before in other
[39:30] communities. It is something we try to
avoid for this reason because you you
[39:34] don't know
what you're going to get when you have
[39:37] the hearing, right? It's a
But
[39:44] I mean, we technically the hearing is
are you willing to waive noncompliance
[39:48] cuz they're not in compliance. Like the
building before they have the abatement
[39:53] granted.
It doesn't mean it's illegal. It just
[39:56] means in order to approve an abatement
when the building's already started, you
[40:00] have to waive that irregularity.
>> My concern is more just the money that
[40:05] we will be spending in order to do that.
>> Yeah.
[40:12] So, so I don't know if I helped you.
>> You did. You did. You answered my
[40:15] » you can authorize me to do so.
>> Yeah. yeah, yeah.
[40:18] » And I'm ready to go.
>> Welcome to the world where we just talk
[40:21] it all out here.
>> Yeah, that's okay.
[40:23] It's
>> It's good dialogue. Um
[40:28] » I would take one thing.
I don't know.
[40:34] » I don't feel comfortable doing one
>> And we can table it. Are you going to be
[40:37] here at the next meeting?
>> Wait.
[40:41] Is it Thursday?
>> Can you get it on a Wednesday again?
[40:45] » Um
When's the next When's the next meeting
[40:49] you're here, Adam? I mean, I think it's
going to take a full council.
[40:54] » Let me tell you one thing.
>> Yes.
[40:56] » Yeah.
I might be here on
[40:57] » I won't be here on the 9th.
A sectional on the 23rd.
[41:03] » Depends on the draw.
[41:05] One of those is our budget adoption, so
you'd have to be here.
[41:10] I will tell you in a second.
>> I
[41:14] » Wednesday
>> Not necessarily you, but there has to be
[41:18] a quorum.
>> Yeah.
[41:19] » You'll notify me when
you'll have that again.
[41:22] » As you can see, there's so much to
consider.
[41:26] » Thank you.
>> I will be Thank you. I will be here on
[41:28] the 23rd
because that's fall break.
[41:31] » The 23rd of October?
>> Do you want
[41:34] » Nick, will you be here on the 23rd of
October?
[41:36] » I will be here.
>> What?
[41:38] » I'll be here.
[41:40] Do you want to beg Cherry to give you
additional scenarios? 3 years, 5 years,
[41:48] » Yes.
[41:51] I mean, I can just
throw out all kinds of Yeah. I So, I
[41:54] mean, my biggest concerns are a
different council making having to to
[41:58] absorb our decisions.
Um so, 3 years would feel safer to me. I
[42:03] feel like someone would be on council in
3 years. We all have 3-year terms.
[42:07] Um but or 5 years. Something to
something less risky for us
[42:14] but still helps.
>> I think the bottom line too is the
[42:17] investment that they're putting in this
building right here.
[42:22] » Mhm.
Mhm.
[42:26] Mhm.
>> coming in.
[42:27] So, to throw them something I think is
appropriate in my opinion. Of course,
[42:31] I'm going to say that. But, I I
understand where you're all sitting.
[42:37] » Which meeting are we going to I just
want to write down we're going to
[42:40] re-look at the
>> 23rd
[42:41] » 20 of October now. Okay.
I'm going to try to get Yeah, I'm going
[42:45] to try
>> For future reference, if we want to have
[42:47] Wednesday meetings or at all
during Bible season.
[42:51] » I mean
you know, we can look at changing it
[42:54] next year.
>> I'm busy every Wednesday night.
[42:57] » But, Thursday, October 9th is your
budget adoption.
[43:02] Be here, be square.
[43:05] We have to have enough
a quorum, that's all I'm saying. Doesn't
[43:09] have to be everybody but there has to be
a quorum. There has to be enough people
[43:12] » I remember last time I missed one of the
meetings.
[43:15] » Yeah, and unfortunately that's one of
them that the
[43:17] the
can't do remotely cuz it's one of the
[43:20] exceptions.
>> They can't vote remotely on budget.
[43:23] » Okay.
>> They can't either on tax abatement.
[43:25] » Could you move meetings up?
Like to move it forward
[43:28] » set in for this for the budget is set in
stone or we start over with a new
[43:33] hearing and
everything.
[43:35] » Okay. Okay.
>> And we don't have enough time.
[43:39] » So, as a result of that
we will revisit this
[43:43] October 23rd.
And Todd, will you
[43:48] Do you feel like you can put a note in
there so it
[43:50] it's on the agenda. Okay.
>> Let me make sure
[43:53] sure he gets they all have them.
>> Yeah.
[43:56] » See the numbers.
>> Yeah.
[43:58] » So, once she gets it to you
>> Yeah.
[44:01] What are you going to get?
>> A five year a different five year?
[44:05] » A different
>> three and five.
[44:06] » It doesn't sound like anything over
five. But I don't think since three is
[44:10] also that might make sense.
But if you all have any ideas like what
[44:15] you're kind of thinking, I mean we we
can
[44:18] » Sherry, what we're thinking is a no.
It's so
[44:26] Make it palatable.
If you've got something.
[44:30] » Here's Here's my biggest concern.
Is that we are going to be like
[44:35] the the taxes
that are not yet incurred because it's
[44:39] not built yet. That's money that you
don't have right now. My concern is the
[44:43] money that we will be spending in order
to get that to pass.
[44:47] And then the manpower that it's going to
take to make sure that it's being
[44:50] checked up on
throughout the next and that's my
[44:53] concern. If Terry retires in two years,
what are we going to have in place to
[44:57] make sure that this continues to follow
through? Um I don't want to be spending
[45:01] any more money of the taxpayers' money
to make sure that this is done. Um
[45:08] » It's It's also not like you're
losing any money
[45:13] because I didn't
If I wouldn't be doing this, we'd be
[45:17] there. So it's not like It's not like
It's another thing that you
[45:23] I pay for the water bill. I pay for my
sewer. I pay for
[45:27] um the storm waters and all that. I pay
for that. So it's not me building a new
[45:31] building is not costing you more money.
So if it wouldn't be there, you wouldn't
[45:36] even be getting this money anyway. So
what I'm trying to is is
[45:40] This says $10 million for a building.
I'll promise you we'll spend $15
[45:45] million.
[45:47] » Is there a price tag that um could
recover your costs?
[45:51] That's the Yeah.
That's my concern.
[45:55] » I I mean I never know and the 2,500 is
what we've done at the county and it's
[46:00] always really done a good job of
covering most of it without a hearing
[46:04] without a waiver. So you just factored I
don't even know I haven't done them for
[46:08] so long. I don't know the last time I
did a waiver hearing in the county is
[46:11] probably 15 years ago.
>> We just did one for a news property and
[46:16] we didn't did you do a hearing for that
that take that away or not?
[46:19] » No, we did not take it they did not well
that one was terminated.
[46:24] » Terminated yeah.
>> That was termination.
[46:26] » Okay.
>> Waiver hearing is something where
[46:29] person
>> Yeah, I would think yeah.
[46:31] » Since I I mean I've done one at the
county level but it's probably been 15
[46:35] years.
>> Yeah, it's before my
[46:37] » Yeah.
Just not being very nice to me.
[46:43] » Can you bill us at the same rate for 15?
>> If you want to pay what they pay me
[46:48] annually.
>> I mean I would have I would be sitting
[46:51] here in the back saying hey I'll pay for
or whatever.
[46:54] » Yeah, he can say whatever he wants he
just can't condition
[46:58] it.
>> Money that's not here already and we can
[47:01] do that
in writing.
[47:04] » One thing that might help you just for
fun is to think about what percentage
[47:08] savings you they were willing to offer
and
[47:11] we they've never had experience.
>> We've talked about that yeah uh-huh.
[47:16] A percentage a percentage back that
would go into economic development.
[47:20] » We do that with all of them we have now
but it was primarily because the county
[47:25] » collected
>> Collect county collected it and gave it
[47:27] back to us.
So.
[47:34] » Is is that direction or a lack of
direction?
[47:36] » It's some direction yes.
>> Things that could be refined.
[47:42] » Yeah, I wish I could have another
discussion after I throw it out there
[47:45] and just before the hearing though like
so if there's any more changes
[47:49] you know that I can continue to
>> To be clear we're doing a hearing on the
[47:53] 20th.
>> Yeah, because the 23rd is this dialogue
[47:56] then if they approve me they'll have a
public hearing.
[47:59] » So, we'll talk about it some more then.
Yeah.
[48:03] » It would be nice if we're going to do it
to have it done before January 1 because
[48:07] I want the county to see it because
otherwise they'll be mad.
[48:10] » And I can talk it to death. I just can't
vote on it.
[48:14] I could, but
>> And you'll have a bigger pool.
[48:16] » Yeah. There There will be five people
here then,
[48:20] which is which is why we're looking at
the dates.
[48:24] Thank you. I mean, thank you for
listening and thank you for
[48:27] » And hear me want to say like we wouldn't
be discussing this if we didn't trust
[48:30] you. If you were a non a not a
trustworthy business owner, we would be
[48:33] like
No. So, yeah.
[48:36] We appreciate it. Yeah.
>> Should that be your
[48:40] meeting then or will I find out about it
or
[48:42] » The 23rd.
>> If I were you, I would
[48:46] » I would be here because we have another
council member that's not here. So,
[48:51] » The next one's October 23rd.
>> October 23rd.
[48:54] » Is there a council meeting in between
there?
[48:57] » Yes. I won't I won't
>> She won't even be here.
[49:00] » But anything you get to them, they can
get to them
[49:03] before then.
[49:07] » Sometimes tax abatements really aren't
like this, are they?
[49:11] » Nobody ever talks about anything.
[49:16] » I You know, we've we've had a lot of
stuff thrown at us this year for what
[49:20] councils have done in the past and we've
been we've been the one sitting here
[49:24] with the angry mob. So, um we just don't
want to put that out there for anybody
[49:31] else to have to go through it.
[49:35] Thank you.
Thanks.
[49:46] Do you have to go?
>> No.
[49:47] » No. Do you have something?
>> This came up in an HSA. I don't know if
[49:51] you guys want to discuss it or not, but
since he left you might want to push it
[49:54] off till everybody's here.
>> Yeah.
[49:57] We'll table that.
Where did he go?
[50:01] » He went to the NJHS inductions.
>> Oh, okay.
[50:08] Do you guys have to go to that, too?
>> I mean, I told Greg that if we weren't
[50:10] done yet it's
>> Okay.
[50:13] » Sorry.
>> It's urgent.
[50:15] » Sorry.
>> It's okay.
[50:17] » Let's not.
>> Okay. I get to go to our soccer game
[50:20] tomorrow. We can do a little bit today.
>> Okay.
[50:24] All right. What's
[50:28] Like if we hurried, could you get there?
>> No.
[50:31] » No, all right.
>> Well, I mean it starts at 6:00 and it's
[50:34] probably over at 6:20.
[50:38] » Okay, let's move back up.
Approval of past
[50:42] » memorandum.
>> Do we have just one?
[50:44] » Mhm, the last meeting.
>> In the last meeting.
[51:04] » It looks right to me.
[51:08] » Looks good to me, too.
>> Like to I'll make a motion to approve
[51:13] the memorandum from
September 11th, 2025.
[51:21] » A second.
>> I have a motion and a second. All in
[51:23] favor?
>> Aye.
[51:24] » Aye. Opposed?
[51:28] We're in a hurry. Quick annexation
report.
[51:31] » We're working on it.
>> It's all done.
[51:36] » We're working on it. No updates, but I
should have some updates at the next
[51:40] meeting.
Uh I think probably during staff.
[51:43] Probably no decisions, but I think
during staff we'll probably at least
[51:47] have a 5 to 15 minute discussion on what
we got done today.
[51:51] » All right.
>> I think beyond that it will probably
[51:53] just be sitting on it for a little bit
or maybe a motion for it to take the
[51:58] next step.
>> I heard him say something about being
[52:02] annexed a few years ago and that has not
happened since I've been on the board.
[52:05] » That was
>> That was something else. Yeah.
[52:08] » No, I think it wasn't in that that south
area a lot
[52:11] » Yeah, I don't know for sure.
>> Okay.
[52:13] » No, I think we talked about that and
2013
[52:16] » It was where we had the pipe extended to
the the easement.
[52:19] » Yeah.
>> But he's down in that area.
[52:21] » It was in 2013.
>> I think it
[52:24] » after whatever that magic date was.
>> No.
[52:27] » So he
>> It wasn't a couple years ago.
[52:30] » I think it was that entire area down
there.
[52:32] » No, that whole area down there.
>> It was the area with the news viewers.
[52:36] » Everything about it
>> because of the law change.
[52:39] » Oh, yeah.
>> That's the story of this.
[52:42] » All right.
[52:45] Um pay app, that's you?
>> I got to pull them up quick.
[52:49] Do they have electronic or that is not?
>> Uh yes.
[52:52] » Okay.
>> It's not as fancy as Bennett's, but it's
[52:55] All right, I'll just go real quick. This
is for the wastewater treatment plant
[52:59] project A. This is pay application
number two.
[53:03] This is basically for
um 25% so a little bit of mobilization,
[53:08] job trailer, permits, insurance. Uh they
have mobilized. They are doing
[53:12] dewatering. Uh they basically started uh
the majority of the construction this
[53:17] past week. So
with that this pay application's for
[53:20] $105,206
and we would recommend this be approved
[53:25] by council and move to tab to move uh
this to SRF for a disbursement request.
[53:31] » So moved.
>> The motion in a second. All in favor?
[53:35] » I.
>> I. Opposed?
[53:42] That's it.
That's it. That's all you got?
[53:46] Oh my goodness.
[53:50] You got to be the only man that's ever
listened to me.
[53:57] I tried so hard to get my husband I told
I told Benny I was like
[54:03] we should like just jump in that car and
go to Nashville and catch the Titans
[54:08] Colts game.
>> Didn't you go to that?
[54:10] » No.
He doesn't He's He's not a spur of the
[54:13] moment kind of person. It's the only way
to live, isn't it, Nick?
[54:18] » I disagree.
>> We are
[54:20] We are like opposites on everything.
It's crazy. Um construction updates
[54:28] Terry's not here, but I will tell you if
you look in your council meeting folders
[54:34] » We didn't find it.
>> at the top of 2025
[54:38] is construction update pictures.
>> Okay.
[54:42] This folder has taken a beating in the
past
[54:46] year or two.
>> So
[54:48] » missing a whole bunch of council
meetings.
[54:49] » Oh, I moved them all under river so we
didn't lose any.
[54:52] » Like you don't have to necessarily look
at them now, but I'm just telling you
[54:55] they're there. If There's your
construction update. There's pictures on
[54:58] there.
>> phone. He needs a new camera.
[55:04] » Or he needs to learn how to like clean
the lens on it.
[55:08] He probably doesn't clean the lens ever.
HSA we've tabled claims.
[55:14] » Uh the claims that I sent you totaled
$163,461.96.
[55:19] Uh we added three since yesterday and I
don't know if anybody saw those.
[55:24] » those.
>> Two were from Axon for police
[55:26] department.
Uh one was one they sent us from April.
[55:31] There was a clerical error on the police
department and he said
[55:35] they marked it as paid, but it wasn't
actually paid so they sent it to them
[55:38] and with this current one they had and
the other the second one was uh
[55:43] their
new tasers that were approved. And the
[55:47] third one was a DLZ invoice that
apparently I just didn't check mark in
[55:51] when I was doing all the others.
[55:56] And then I highlighted all the ACHs so
you wouldn't get
[56:00] » I saw that. I appreciate that. Thank
you.
[56:03] So I didn't have my panic button hit.
>> Yeah.
[56:09] » What is our new total?
>> Uh 1 163,461
[56:15] dollars and 96 cents.
[56:36] Uh while you're looking at that, I'll
say the capital asset planning
[56:41] we came up with a
an idea.
[56:44] Um I called him.
Sally and I think that 110,000 we could
[56:48] easily whittle down to at least 75,000
by doing part of that in-house
[56:54] with their guidance and he made the
comment that on projects like that they
[56:59] understand budget requirements. If they
were to come in and do that and finish
[57:03] it by the end of the year, they would
split it up into three budgets. They
[57:08] give us a document said you can charge
a third of it this year, a third of it
[57:13] the next year's budget, and a third of
it the next year's budget if you so want
[57:16] to do that. He said they do that with
their municipal clients.
[57:19] So that's our thought process.
We're just giving you an update. We
[57:22] don't have anything in stone yet.
>> Okay.
[57:25] » We're going to go down that road and get
more info from him if that's acceptable.
[57:29] » I mean, as long as you and Sally have
time to do it in house and it doesn't
[57:36] step back any of the other things that
would annoy state board of accounts
[57:40] because What I say that should be first.
>> There's a number of things we think we
[57:45] could take a two days and go through
with our list and say these things don't
[57:49] need to be kept
or scanned. So they're going to go into
[57:53] a pile and once we get audited well, all
that stuff down there has been audited.
[57:57] We can actually have that set for
destruction. So we're not going to pay
[58:00] them to go through it. We're not going
to pay them to scan it. We're not going
[58:02] to if we don't have to keep it, we're
not going to keep it.
[58:05] But he identified
20 or 30 boxes of that would fall into
[58:11] » So we're going to have a big
>> fun fun
[58:14] » truck come in with a scanner and
>> They would come in with a truck and take
[58:18] everything, scan it.
>> shredder
[58:20] » And then they would
once the county they could bring it back
[58:24] and they can shred it or they'll just
shred it for us per whatever the county
[58:28] guidelines are that we get approved
first. And give us documentation on it,
[58:32] but that's
further down the road type thing.
[58:36] » Has this ever been done before?
>> No.
[58:38] » So this is it.
>> You're not here.
[58:40] » new 70,000
>> We have stuff Yeah, we have stuff going
[58:43] back to the early 80s.
>> 70s
[58:46] » Um I asked
>> found a speeding ticket in one of the
[58:49] boxes that was given to Jake when he was
7 years old by Scott Stewart.
[58:54] on his bicycle
>> I
[58:57] spoke to the county clerk. They use them
and they're happy with it. I the county
[59:01] books office I'm talking to clerk
tomorrow. They're happy. They use them.
[59:05] They're working on stuff right now. She
said they actually are using them now or
[59:09] they're going back in there scanning
everything from the 1800s that they have
[59:14] in the county. They're that far back.
>> Nice.
[59:17] » So that's just an update. We don't have
anything actionable.
[59:21] » claims
I'm going to make a motion to approve
[59:25] the claims totaling 1,000
100,060 163,461.96.
[59:34] Excuse me.
>> Can you repeat that, please?
[59:35] » Yeah.
>> Which part?
[59:39] » I second.
>> It's a motion and a second. All in
[59:42] favor?
I. Opposed?
[59:45] You guys are great.
Adjustments?
[59:49] » Oh, you know what? That was 4.4. I said
the wrong thing, but
[59:54] Um I want to touch Can I touch on the
capital asset planning?
[59:57] » Yes.
>> The capital asset planning, there are
[1:00:00] two
agreements that we sign. And then
[1:00:04] talking to Chris, I was like, you know,
we've used this person for all eternity.
[1:00:09] I don't know if they've ever been looked
over by Kurt, so she thought it would be
[1:00:13] prudent to have Kurt look it over. So,
we're getting ready to start doing our
[1:00:16] capital asset planning. So, we were
looking for
[1:00:19] um authorization to
approve the two
[1:00:26] What are they called? Engagement letters
with
[1:00:29] um cap- the capital asset consultants
for legal review and allowing Chris to
[1:00:36] sign outside of a meeting.
They're exactly the same as they were
[1:00:40] last year and the year before and the
year before.
[1:00:42] Uh
like word for word.
[1:00:45] » Okay. Sorry.
>> So moved.
[1:00:48] » I second.
>> Have a motion and a second. All in
[1:00:50] favor?
>> I.
[1:00:51] » I.
>> I. Opposed?
[1:01:00] » I was thinking it.
[1:01:06] » Uh the adjustments.
Adjustment I'm going to go over a couple
[1:01:10] on Sally May. I'll go over the ones I
know.
[1:01:13] Uh adjustment A.
Uh this person has two parcels. Uh it
[1:01:19] was combined by by
assessor in 2020 into one parcel. Nobody
[1:01:23] notified us or the
um parcel owner. So, we've been charging
[1:01:28] them stormwater for the non-existent
parcel since June of 2020.
[1:01:32] So, if we take that times the number of
months that he's already paid, he has
[1:01:36] overpaid $3,194.73.
[1:01:40] So, that would be a credit going back to
his account.
[1:01:43] Um
B is a person that you gave a credit to
[1:01:48] uh when we found an error in the type of
meter they had.
[1:01:52] In the interim, while we approved and
applied the credit, bills were run
[1:01:56] during the same time, and it also it it
billed at the incorrect rate
[1:02:01] that last month as well. So, that $453
credit and A6 credit is
[1:02:07] billed at the wrong rate.
We just didn't quite catch it cuz it was
[1:02:11] the same week as the um
adjustment.
[1:02:15] » Not really a credit. It's offsetting the
the if you look below, it's offsetting
[1:02:20] the $453.86 that was billed.
So, it's really net to zero, and then
[1:02:24] the new bill amount is $58.15.
>> She's the brains of this operation.
[1:02:32] Okay.
>> But, that will also be credited because
[1:02:35] of
>> Some of the credit going on. Okay.
[1:02:40] » It's just so hurtful, those big numbers.
I don't remember C.
[1:02:46] » You know what? Um this is um the
restaurant that was not paying the
[1:02:50] correct stormwater.
>> Mhm.
[1:02:52] » Yeah, they uh approached us and wanted
to know what a credit was cuz they heard
[1:02:56] somebody else had a credit. They wanted
us to review their account. So, we
[1:03:00] reviewed their account, and we found
that they owed us an additional $1,334
[1:03:05] because there was a a billing error in
their account that has now been
[1:03:08] corrected.
Uh D
[1:03:14] Uh
D is someone that said they didn't
[1:03:19] receive their bill.
Now that they know what their bill is,
[1:03:22] they want to know if the late fees could
come off.
[1:03:29] E is a gentleman who
[1:03:34] He was being billed in the old storm
water rate
[1:03:40] of $44 for his parcel.
And then in 2021,
[1:03:45] it was changed to residential parcel fee
of $8. He had overpaid up until 23, and
[1:03:51] we issued him credits.
And he asked us to review his account
[1:03:57] because he thought there was an
additional credit, and when we did
[1:04:00] we had to get into the old system and
pull a bunch of records, and we owe him
[1:04:05] an additional $352.22
[1:04:09] from 2021 that he hasn't been credited
for yet.
[1:04:13] He brought it up because his credits
were running out, and he was thinking
[1:04:15] they were going to last a little longer.
So, that's the part that didn't get
[1:04:18] calculated yet.
From the old two-storm system.
[1:04:27] » Do we go back forever on these?
>> Uh
[1:04:32] our
running
[1:04:34] » Like if somebody shows up and they want
20 years worth of credits, you know what
[1:04:38] I mean?
>> Our understanding is if they
[1:04:41] pay us
we owe them.
[1:04:46] If we
pay them, we only go back two years.
[1:04:52] But if they pay us, it's their money,
and we shouldn't charge them, so we owe
[1:04:55] them their money.
But in the reverse, we only go two
[1:04:58] years.
That's been the direction.
[1:05:01] » So, there's What if we can't prove or
they can't prove? Like it's just
[1:05:04] hearsay. I mean, obviously we don't have
anything. When does it become hearsay?
[1:05:09] » We have to prove it with numbers and
reports, or when we get audited the
[1:05:13] count the state board will make me
reimburse the town whatever we did.
[1:05:17] So we got lots of paperwork cuz I'm not
going to pay for it. Yeah.
[1:05:24] » Okay, so you need these
>> What about that?
[1:05:26] » Do we do approved
but
[1:05:30] Can we approve A, B, C and D?
>> Who asked for that if you want?
[1:05:34] » A and
>> You can approve them all.
[1:05:35] » A and E.
>> Right. The only question is are you
[1:05:38] including D?
[1:05:43] » You would not.
[1:05:47] And I'm just one and three.
>> I also would not
[1:05:52] because you can't blame us for the
meter.
[1:05:54] » Yeah.
>> Yeah.
[1:05:55] » Unfortunately.
>> I I think it pretty much states that in
[1:05:58] the ordinance that it's your bill
whether you receive it or not.
[1:06:01] We were under the impression they mailed
the check and we hadn't received it yet
[1:06:04] when we prepared this, but
>> Okay.
[1:06:08] » Um
[1:06:12] And F has to do with a compound meter
issue that we were having
[1:06:15] as described and we were going to be
replacing it with a new meter to correct
[1:06:19] it.
Um
[1:06:23] I don't know how much more you want to
go into that.
[1:06:25] » I was going to say, is that all we have
to
[1:06:27] approve is the new meter or do we need
to look at
[1:06:31] » You would have to look
>> Okay.
[1:06:33] » Look at the
adjustments and we would want direction
[1:06:36] on
[1:06:39] how to do it.
Our our understanding is that when we
[1:06:44] add the second meter that wasn't
billing, we would charge them the
[1:06:47] minimum for every month.
And then once it gets to the end of the
[1:06:52] time period, if there's anything left,
we would add it on.
[1:06:57] Just for that month cuz we don't have
any way of showing where it is.
[1:07:01] » So we can have
>> So the minimum for water is 3,000
[1:07:04] gallons. The minimum for
waste water is zero.
[1:07:09] So F the last month we would charge all
the wastewater.
[1:07:13] I mean, it wouldn't matter if you
charged it the first month or the last
[1:07:15] month. It's always by exact usage.
>> How much could that potentially be?
[1:07:21] » What would be the total
[1:07:30] » 2 * 24
add two zeros.
[1:07:34] Put that into sixes and it should work,
but
[1:07:37] um
>> What did she just say?
[1:07:41] » Did you follow
>> I can do math if you Yeah.
[1:07:43] » It could be probably around 48.
[1:07:48] It could be a little over 20,000,
couldn't it?
[1:07:53] » So,
we How about we would one direction on
[1:07:57] Are you okay with the way we want to
bill it and we'll bring you the number
[1:07:59] back?
>> Yeah, I would like
[1:08:02] » Yeah.
>> So, then the only thing would be on A,
[1:08:05] B, C, D, and E.
>> I think we should open the stalls at
[1:08:08] that time.
Giving them options to I mean, are we
[1:08:11] going to expect them to just bring us a
check? You know what I mean?
[1:08:14] » Yeah.
>> To give them some grace, I feel like.
[1:08:16] » Oh.
>> Yeah.
[1:08:18] » And think about it, too. I almost would
like to see bill them up front.
[1:08:23] » Mhm.
>> Uh because
[1:08:26] once again, years pass, time goes on,
people forget, people change. Seems to
[1:08:31] me if you force the issue up front, by
not if we have a problem immediately, we
[1:08:34] can probably
that issue in the future.
[1:08:37] » Mhm.
>> Just my thought.
[1:08:39] » Absolutely.
>> And it's going to bring that to a head
[1:08:42] right now.
>> Yeah.
[1:08:46] » They'll have to be just
[1:08:50] » All right, I make a motion to approve A,
B, C,
[1:08:54] E as approved, but
the non-review.
[1:09:01] Or as I was saying, not approved.
Words are hard today.
[1:09:05] » I second.
>> Have a motion and a second. All in
[1:09:08] favor.
>> I.
[1:09:09] » I.
>> I. Opposed.
[1:09:16] » We're getting somewhere.
>> So you have direction on E?
[1:09:20] » Yeah, F.
Yes.
[1:09:22] » F.
>> F.
[1:09:23] » F.
>> That's what I meant.
[1:09:26] » Okay.
What else you got, Ted?
[1:09:30] » I don't think anything.
>> You have a cleaning contract.
[1:09:33] » Oh, we have a cleaning contract.
What do I have to do about
[1:09:36] » Motion to approve, right?
>> Motion uh sure.
[1:09:39] We have a signed cleaning contract.
Terry really wants them to start Monday.
[1:09:43] » Cuz he's starting to clean in the back.
>> He is all over it.
[1:09:46] He just said done. I'm like you just
gave it to me like an hour ago.
[1:09:50] » Yeah, all right.
Make a motion to approve
[1:09:53] the cleaning contract.
As of today as of okay.
[1:10:00] » Can I look at it or or see it or
something before? I mean no offense
[1:10:04] here.
>> Does he take Do you have it?
[1:10:06] » I'll just give it to you.
>> I'm going to take my
[1:10:08] » Or just give me the number
or something.
[1:10:11] » Uh it's based on the quote. $750 per for
the quote you approved. $750 a week.
[1:10:17] » Oh, for that
>> Yeah.
[1:10:19] » I forgot about the company.
>> I don't need any more, Kurt.
[1:10:23] » You're welcome to I mean whatever.
>> I second
[1:10:27] » Okay, have a motion and a second. All in
favor. I. I.
[1:10:31] Opposed.
>> I slept
[1:10:33] » a couple
>> It's okay. Yeah, take it with you.
[1:10:36] » That's a five or an eight.
>> Uh that's an eight.
[1:10:38] » Okay.
It's all right. That's what I thought it
[1:10:41] was. That's what I thought it was.
Um
[1:10:45] I have with my pile here
a job description for services support
[1:10:50] three for streets. So
um
[1:10:54] » We had a service and support three for
but it was wastewater base.
[1:10:59] So, Terry asked me to convert it to
streets and I just did it based off the
[1:11:03] streets.
But,
[1:11:06] um
we've been we've always had Kurt review
[1:11:10] them after we did them because there's
always stuff that
[1:11:13] » Did you send it to him?
>> I just gave it to him.
[1:11:15] » Okay. All right.
>> And Terry said yeah, he thought it'd be
[1:11:18] prudent for him to review it.
>> Okay.
[1:11:20] » So, he would like to publicize that. So,
we were looking to authorization to
[1:11:26] approve that pending legal review.
>> Okay.
[1:11:31] » And a second.
[1:11:36] And a loop.
>> A second.
[1:11:38] A motion and a second. All in favor.
>> I.
[1:11:40] » I. Opposed.
Get down here.
[1:11:44] I feel it coming.
[1:11:47] I.
Nick. Anything else?
[1:11:50] Ted.
>> Oh, I didn't know about that one, but I
[1:11:53] hope there's nothing else.
>> Mhm.
[1:11:55] Kurt.
>> Uh all I have is to follow up with
[1:11:58] Terry's comment about needing the
appointment of two appraisers. If you
[1:12:02] want to for the property that you're
considering selling up by the water
[1:12:05] tower that uh Casey did the
survey on. And
[1:12:10] I don't know for sure who we would use,
but the last time we used
[1:12:14] Stanner and Bulbul.
So, if they're still able and willing
[1:12:18] and reasonable, I would just call them
again. So, but if not, I would find
[1:12:23] somebody else too or if you know
somebody that you want who's tell me,
[1:12:25] but motion to authorize me to
order two secure two appraisals for that
[1:12:31] property is what I'm proposing.
>> So moved and a
[1:12:35] » Second. I have a motion and a second.
All in favor.
[1:12:38] » I.
>> I. Opposed.
[1:12:41] » I sir.
>> You I opposed.
[1:12:44] I heard you.
>> That was all. Did you have anything
[1:12:47] else?
[1:12:52] No.
No.
[1:12:54] Fire Chief
job is live.
[1:12:59] We have
[1:13:03] not a lot of people lining up for it
yet, but maybe they don't know. It's on
[1:13:06] Indeed, right?
>> Glassdoor and Indeed, I think.
[1:13:11] » Is it on our website?
>> It is on our website if you click on it
[1:13:14] and then at the top where it says
employment. Yeah.
[1:13:16] » So.
[1:13:20] We can get together when we have some
applicants for interviews.
[1:13:25] So, figure out um
cuz we had talked us three and then um
[1:13:30] maybe a couple firefighters, so if you
can identify who they are.
[1:13:35] All right.
Perfect. Okay.
[1:13:40] Make a motion to
adjourn.
[1:13:44] » I second.
>> So, you looked at me like you were going
[1:13:46] to have a date.
>> You can second motion.
[1:13:50] » I'll hear
>> I.
[1:13:51] » I oppose. I can and I could make
motions, too, but I always feel like it
[1:13:56] looks like I'm trying to direct the
meeting and the outcome if I do, so
[1:14:01] I sit here and
>> But there's only three of us. You can
[1:14:03] bite.
>> So.
[1:14:07] I I know there have been other people
that sat here and drove it home, but I'm