1 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:08,559 Good evening. I would like to call tonight's planning board meeting to 2 00:00:05,279 --> 00:00:14,960 order. Uh first uh order of business this evening is to review and approve 3 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:18,800 the minutes of August 6, 2026. Does everyone have the opportunity to review 4 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:21,439 these minutes? [snorts] >> Yes. 5 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:24,560 » Any questions, comments, concerns? >> Make a motion to approve. 6 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:26,560 » Is there a second? >> Second. 7 00:00:25,279 --> 00:00:33,680 » All those in favor? >> I opposed. eyes have it. Um, actually 8 00:00:31,599 --> 00:00:38,640 before we go any further, I would like to just take a moment to welcome our 9 00:00:36,079 --> 00:00:40,079 newest board member, Penny Ionelli. Is that correct? 10 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:46,239 » That's correct. >> Thank you so much for joining us. 11 00:00:42,879 --> 00:00:48,160 » Um, so Penny will be catching up to speed on everything. 12 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:50,719 » That's right. That's right. >> But we're very happy to have you. So, 13 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:53,520 thank you and welcome. >> Thank you. 14 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:59,039 Um, next, not so much fun order of business, 15 00:00:56,000 --> 00:01:03,760 but um, review and sign bills. We do have three bills in front of us this 16 00:01:00,719 --> 00:01:09,920 evening. One for Graves Engineering for 335 Maple A. Um, this was the site plan 17 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:15,439 peer review um, in the amount of $2,55.50. 18 00:01:12,799 --> 00:01:21,479 Another one for Graves Engineering 335 Maple Lab 19 00:01:17,439 --> 00:01:21,479 um in the amount of $1,828.25 20 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:32,600 and Graves Engineering for 957 Boston Turnpike in the amount of $865.75 21 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:32,600 for a total of $5,199.50. 22 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:39,520 Can I get a motion to approve these bills for payment? 23 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:42,479 » I move that we authorize the expenditures as read by the chair. 24 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:47,680 Second. >> All those in favor? 25 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:54,720 » I opposed. Eyes have it. >> Next up, uh, board member comments. 26 00:01:52,399 --> 00:01:58,079 Penny, I I I won't make you >> say anything to [laughter] 27 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:01,200 » do you know anything? >> No comments. 28 00:01:58,719 --> 00:02:04,000 » I just want to welcome any as well. >> Thank you, Tim. 29 00:02:02,719 --> 00:02:10,080 » No comments. >> And I am all set. Uh, staff report. 30 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:14,400 » Uh, thank you. Uh, one uh, brief update. So, uh, we do have our master plan 31 00:02:11,920 --> 00:02:22,000 kickoff, uh, meeting which is scheduled, uh, September 16th, um, at it was 6:30, 32 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:27,760 uh, p.m. Um, so excited to have that, uh, or sorry, 7 7 p.m. Um, so really 33 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:31,680 excited to have that, uh, underway, uh, and moving along. Um, again, we've been 34 00:02:30,319 --> 00:02:35,760 working with the consultant on some of the background research and stuff, but, 35 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:41,040 um, having the ste theing committee uh, in place will be a important next step 36 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:44,319 to really moving that along. And um you know we'll be beginning in the public 37 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:48,959 engagement soon after that. So really excited for the next steps on that. Uh 38 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:54,400 in addition we're hiring. So we did have an assistant planner that left uh for a 39 00:02:50,959 --> 00:02:59,040 new job new job opportunity. Um so if you're interested in the position feel 40 00:02:56,400 --> 00:03:04,879 free to reach out. >> Great. Wonderful. 41 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:09,440 Uh next up we will move to our meetings and hearings. First item this evening is 42 00:03:07,519 --> 00:03:15,280 the proposed mixeduse development site plan approval and special permit for the 43 00:03:12,879 --> 00:03:20,400 Virginia Kluke irrevocable trust. This is continued public hearing for 525 44 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:22,480 Hartford Turnpike. >> Good evening. 45 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:24,640 » Good evening. Hello. How are you all tonight? 46 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:29,400 » Great. How are [snorts] you? >> Excellent. Just going to pull up 47 00:03:34,187 --> 00:03:36,207 » [snorts] 48 00:03:41,599 --> 00:03:45,760 » Just pulling up the plan so we can just have a visual while we talk through I 49 00:03:44,879 --> 00:03:49,280 guess. >> Uh so 50 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:52,400 uh Tom Corbett for the record, Tom Corbett, Go Venture Capital Group. Uh 51 00:03:50,959 --> 00:03:58,879 here with me tonight is Brendan Gove, president of Go Venture Capital Group. 52 00:03:55,360 --> 00:04:04,319 Um so since we last met, so I guess at the last meeting we had some takeaways. 53 00:04:00,319 --> 00:04:10,400 Um, one being uh get a sewer memo from Weston and Samson in regard to the sewer 54 00:04:06,319 --> 00:04:16,239 flows. Um, and as and we had uh outstanding traffic stuff going on as 55 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:21,759 well. Um, so I guess since the last time we met, we've received that Weston and 56 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:27,120 Samson memo um, pretty much stating that the Clue Streets up um, pump station is 57 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:32,960 has adequate capacity um, and the increased flows uh, don't pose any 58 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:37,120 issues with future planning um, and it would not require any infrastructure 59 00:04:34,479 --> 00:04:43,280 upgrades at this time. Um, so you all have that memo um, that's been uploaded 60 00:04:39,199 --> 00:04:49,919 to the portal and shared with staff. Um we also um worked with the planning 61 00:04:46,639 --> 00:04:54,560 department on our um school bus ascent agreement. So we have a draft of that as 62 00:04:51,840 --> 00:05:00,160 well prepared uh that's been submitted. Um I think order of business-wise that 63 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:05,440 would be uh conditional uh prior to occupancy uh that we run that up and 64 00:05:03,280 --> 00:05:09,120 just fill in the blanks. Uh as you could probably see they were highlighted. Uh 65 00:05:07,039 --> 00:05:13,360 so really just the entity name um and then really honing in on like the 66 00:05:11,199 --> 00:05:18,240 preferred path for the bus to take um for that exhibit plan. Um the bus stops 67 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:23,600 already identified on the plan um but we'd like to tidy that all up prior to 68 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:28,639 occupancy um and ahead of any school children getting on a bus. Um 69 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:33,600 uh since the last time we met also we've been working back and forth with Bowman 70 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:37,840 on the revised plan revisions um as it relates to the traffic. Uh so we've been 71 00:05:36,479 --> 00:05:42,720 a back and forth a couple times since the last time we met and uh Bowman 72 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:47,759 issued their response earlier yesterday um I believe or maybe even this morning. 73 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:54,639 Um so that was pretty much an all clear. Uh there was a condition or a comment 74 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:58,880 number two uh that addressed um some of the parking out front which we would 75 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:03,199 like to kind of handle ahead of a building permit uh to show that on the 76 00:06:00,479 --> 00:06:06,080 plan uh easily done and we can provide the four spaces that they were 77 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:11,120 recommending. So we just need to reconfigure that front lot and uh 78 00:06:09,199 --> 00:06:15,680 figured touch the plans ahead of a building permit. So um that would be the 79 00:06:13,199 --> 00:06:21,120 ask there to make that a condition. Um, and just to kind of recap, Graves has 80 00:06:18,639 --> 00:06:24,479 been reviewed uh and signed off on. They've acknowledged everything as far 81 00:06:23,039 --> 00:06:31,520 as the changes that we made previously to the plan. Um, and right now the 82 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:35,520 project is still under MEEPA as well. So, we're working through that process. 83 00:06:33,280 --> 00:06:40,240 Um, there's a comment period that is open until the end of this month and we 84 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:47,440 expect a certificate in the first second week of October for that. Um, 85 00:06:43,759 --> 00:06:52,800 and I guess that's just about it. I'd open it up to any further comments, 86 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:59,120 anything that you want to review. I've got architectural plans and site plans 87 00:06:55,840 --> 00:07:03,680 at my fingertips. So, um, I guess I'll put it back to you. 88 00:07:00,319 --> 00:07:08,880 » Okay, great. Thank you. Um, I'll open it up to the board if there are any, um, 89 00:07:07,199 --> 00:07:11,919 additional questions. >> I don't have any. 90 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:15,919 » Tim, do you have anything? No additional questions. No. 91 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:20,319 » Um I I do have a couple of quick questions. Um at the last meeting, one 92 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:24,960 of the other um outstanding items that we had talked about that I just want to 93 00:07:21,759 --> 00:07:29,759 confirm and we can capture this and any um other documentation that's that's 94 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:35,360 done for this pro project. Um but in terms of um where the sewer is going to 95 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:38,720 be coming from, I know as we had talked about at the last meeting, there's three 96 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:44,880 different options, three different options on the table. Um and you had all 97 00:07:41,199 --> 00:07:49,759 kind of decided that the option that you were going to pursue is through the the 98 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:52,479 church property. Correct. >> That is correct. Yes. 99 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:55,680 » So I think that that's something that I I think we'd just like to kind of 100 00:07:54,479 --> 00:08:00,560 solidify. >> Yeah. I think that's a solid um that 101 00:07:58,479 --> 00:08:04,960 that is solidified at this point in time as far as what we have on our plan. It's 102 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:09,120 shown connecting to the church. Um I would just ask that we provide you the 103 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:12,560 agreement ahead of a building permit for that. 104 00:08:09,919 --> 00:08:16,879 um because we just have final details to work out with the church. It's a slow 105 00:08:14,319 --> 00:08:22,319 process and that could drag on, but ahead of a building permit would be um 106 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:25,759 most appropriate, I feel. Um and then >> you're close with an agreement with the 107 00:08:23,919 --> 00:08:27,759 church though in terms of getting that. So there's no 108 00:08:27,199 --> 00:08:32,159 » That's right. >> There's no potential that they say, 109 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:36,640 "Well, we changed our mind on it." Uh, no, no. We Steve and I, Steve is the 110 00:08:34,479 --> 00:08:41,120 manager or the grounds manager anyway up there at the church and we meet well 111 00:08:38,719 --> 00:08:44,880 almost weekly sometimes, but uh, yeah, we're we're just working out kind of how 112 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:47,760 that's all going to work um, on the back end. 113 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:52,160 » So, the agreement they've agreed to let us do that. Um, so it's just a matter of 114 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:59,200 the final agreement uh, language. >> Okay. Um and then while not necessarily 115 00:08:56,320 --> 00:09:05,040 under our purview but um in terms of MEPA um you said it's open till the end 116 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:10,399 of this month um what is some of the preliminary feedback that you're getting 117 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:16,320 as specifically as it relates to the um the signalization. So right now HSH is 118 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:20,959 working through so the comment right now is that we work through and iron out 119 00:09:18,560 --> 00:09:24,640 what that signalization is going to actually look like and that's the the 120 00:09:22,959 --> 00:09:29,839 process in which we're going through right now with MASDOT. So the district 3 121 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:34,000 team um has been reviewing this under their intersection control evaluation 122 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:38,720 program. Uh so the engineers have been working back and forth with HSH on what 123 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:43,120 that cross-section of road needs to look like. um future planning of MADOT's been 124 00:09:41,519 --> 00:09:50,160 taken into consideration. So, they have that final revised traffic study um and 125 00:09:47,279 --> 00:09:54,320 warrant analysis in front of them. Um just reviewing and and it's really just 126 00:09:52,320 --> 00:10:00,240 a masto kind of determining how they want to see that. Um but other than 127 00:09:56,959 --> 00:10:05,839 that, um really not a whole lot of other comments. Um the meeting was pretty 128 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:10,080 quiet. We had some comments from um D that are just pretty much comments that 129 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:14,640 are in our file number anyhow. Um so just making sure that it's talked about 130 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:19,440 during the meeting. Um there's been some discussion about animals and traffic. Um 131 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:25,519 but I think that's just something that we've addressed already. 132 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:29,120 » Sure. Okay. All right. Um do you have any comments? 133 00:10:27,279 --> 00:10:32,240 » Oh, and I guess if I may. >> Yes. 134 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:35,839 » Um the conservation restriction. Um, so that's probably the bigger subject 135 00:10:33,680 --> 00:10:41,680 matter in in the Meepbook conversation or was that day. Um, just how we're 136 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:44,800 gonna convey that land, who's going to hold that land. Uh, so that's something 137 00:10:43,519 --> 00:10:50,000 that we're working through now. We initially supplied, uh, your board, the 138 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:55,600 commission, and MEPA, um, as well as the ZBA with draft language. Um, so that 139 00:10:52,640 --> 00:11:00,720 draft language in the eyes of MEPA, they'd like to see that aligned with the 140 00:10:57,279 --> 00:11:04,720 EA model language, which we are now kind of going through that process right now. 141 00:11:02,560 --> 00:11:08,959 Um, ahead of the 29th, we'll have that submitted and, uh, back to them because 142 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:14,320 the EA ultimately has to approve that language and approve for the CR. Um, so 143 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:18,480 we're working I'm working with two different holders right now. um the 144 00:11:16,399 --> 00:11:22,480 Sudbury Valley trustees. Um I have conversations with them going on right 145 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:27,519 now and I have um the Greater Worester Land Trust as well, which we've worked 146 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:29,120 with in the past and just a slow process as well. 147 00:11:28,399 --> 00:11:32,320 » Yeah. >> Conservation restrictions are 148 00:11:30,959 --> 00:11:37,920 » Yeah. [laughter] Yeah. >> Okay. Great. Um this is a public 149 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:41,519 hearing. Is there any member of the public wishing to speak on this item 150 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:44,839 this evening? Yes, sir. 151 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:55,519 I'm in SMA 102 Stunnh Hill Road. Um so I want to bring the attention this time 152 00:11:52,800 --> 00:12:01,839 like um I did the more study regarding the site they are building the apartment 153 00:11:58,079 --> 00:12:07,760 there. I noticed uh that site has like a lot of core heavy tent like a diversity 154 00:12:05,279 --> 00:12:14,839 for animals or other uh wildlife and uh I can show you that 155 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:14,839 map also. 156 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:22,560 So as for the state as per the state biome map uh there you can put the site 157 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:26,959 name and they will tell you which site is that has the mostly the core habitant 158 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:31,760 and this is the site like and the I print out from the state biom maps site. 159 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:37,519 Uh you can see there the site is completely uh has the core habitant 160 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:43,519 there like so many different kind of any kind of major development can uh disturb 161 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:47,760 their ecosystem and can town could have the issue is also that so I would like 162 00:12:46,079 --> 00:12:53,760 to bring your attention of the all the board members before taking any decision 163 00:12:50,399 --> 00:12:59,200 you have to consider uh that scenario also because it's there on the site and 164 00:12:56,880 --> 00:13:03,120 we can see that Okay. Thank you. 165 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:07,519 » Thank you. >> Any other member? 166 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:13,839 » Could I com is that an NHSP map? I guess I'm unclear as to what that is. 167 00:13:09,680 --> 00:13:20,160 » Yes. So, it is from it is from its mass GIS and what it's showing on here it's 168 00:13:17,519 --> 00:13:25,760 um the biomap the future of conservation in Massachusetts. This is showing the 169 00:13:22,399 --> 00:13:27,279 critical natural landscape. So, 170 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:31,120 » okay. >> So, if you go just provide a map you can 171 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:36,000 get for put the town name. >> No, I'm I'm familiar with it. So, the 172 00:13:33,279 --> 00:13:38,240 reason why that is a mapped property they've they've increased the maps this 173 00:13:37,680 --> 00:13:42,560 year. >> Um, so they just did a huge map update 174 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:48,079 uh that got released probably about 3 four weeks ago now. Um, and now so if 175 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:51,839 there's any GSP markings on the property, they extended it all to the 176 00:13:49,839 --> 00:13:56,720 property lines. This project's well ahead and already in conversations with 177 00:13:54,560 --> 00:14:02,639 certifying this vernal pool uh through the um conservation commission as well 178 00:14:00,079 --> 00:14:07,360 um and with the CR restriction. So I understand that the map may have updated 179 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:11,839 but this project's in um with the understanding of what the previous map 180 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:16,560 was. >> Okay. Thank you. Any other member of the 181 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:22,880 public wishing to speak on this this evening? 182 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:30,079 Okay. Um I did finally just get my notes here. My apologies. I did have two other 183 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:36,800 um minor not minor items um about the infrastructure specifically 184 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:43,760 again the um the traffic signal. Um and I just want to make sure you know if we 185 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:49,680 are to close this um this hearing this evening in terms of any conditions that 186 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:55,360 are placed into a decision. Um, one of them specifically related to the um, 187 00:14:53,360 --> 00:15:00,399 signalization, understanding that the town has um, an application pending 188 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:05,040 before the state um, for some infrastructure work in this area. In the 189 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:12,560 event that those grant dollars do not come through and or if the grant dollars 190 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:18,560 are not enough to cover the cost of this infrastructure upgrades, what is 191 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:23,440 what would what would the plan be? >> Uh so we would be if you wanted to speak 192 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:28,720 on it, but uh we would be happy to have it as a condition uh that we're 193 00:15:25,839 --> 00:15:33,040 responsible for any costs that aren't covered by the grant um to implement the 194 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:35,279 traffic signal. So, I think we've kind of touched on this a little bit 195 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:40,880 throughout time, but maybe not explicitly. Um, so I think we're okay 196 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:46,880 moving forward and having a condition that um regardless of um the grant 197 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:52,000 funding or funding that comes from elsewhere, um we would be on the hook 198 00:15:49,440 --> 00:16:00,880 for it and that that would be okay with us at this point u today. 199 00:15:55,120 --> 00:16:08,480 » Okay. Um and this is perhaps a bit of a shot. Um, but I has there been any 200 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:13,680 have you looked at the finances for this project in terms of the potential 201 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:17,920 of considering um a reduction of any of the unit 202 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:21,759 counts? >> Yeah, we definitely have. Um Brendan 203 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:26,720 could probably speak better to the finances part of uh the buildout, but as 204 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:32,480 far as kind of how we're looking at it today, um with 205 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:36,560 the cost of site work uh being pretty exorbitant to get everything where it 206 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:40,800 needs to be. Um, and if we're going to be on the hook for the traffic signal, 207 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:47,680 if that's going to be a condition of approval, um, and that incurred cost 208 00:16:44,639 --> 00:16:53,920 comes along, um, we really need to be at the 250 unit mark. Um, the the the 209 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:59,519 square footage out front for the commercial, we've maximized to the most 210 00:16:56,240 --> 00:17:05,600 we possibly can uh, to try to supplement um, what we might be able to do. But I 211 00:17:01,519 --> 00:17:11,679 think as far as um we stand uh I think the project as 212 00:17:08,559 --> 00:17:17,360 proposed here is really what we need uh to move forward financially in order to 213 00:17:14,559 --> 00:17:21,280 incur costs with everything involved including the traffic signal. 214 00:17:19,199 --> 00:17:25,600 » I'm happy to elaborate on on that. Um yes so for the record uh Brendan Go um 215 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:32,400 president of Capital Group resident of Shbury 166 South. Um so just to um 216 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:38,000 elaborate on that a little bit further. So 217 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:42,240 um and just bear with me here. So in in terms of uh capitalizing this project, 218 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:47,360 there's a combination of funds that come from debt and equity. So about 65 70% of 219 00:17:45,679 --> 00:17:54,240 the money comes from debt. The remaining comes from equity. Um really two sources 220 00:17:50,799 --> 00:17:59,679 of equity being myself and a third party investor. So the third-party um 221 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:05,919 investors in institutional investors um in today's 222 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:10,799 market they've standardized their review of the economic viability of multif 223 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:15,919 family projects on this ratio called a return on cost also a yield on cost and 224 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:21,840 very simply what that is is the project's stabilized NOI net operating 225 00:18:19,120 --> 00:18:27,120 income divided by the project budget. So, you know, these people are looking 226 00:18:23,919 --> 00:18:32,559 at 30 deals a week and they need a way to quickly determine whether or not a 227 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:36,880 project's worth their time. So, this return on cost metric is really like a 228 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:40,240 go no-go for them to be able to flip the page to the second second part of the 229 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:45,840 book and be able to take a look deeper into the project. So in today's market, 230 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:51,520 we believe a project needs to show at least a 6.5% return on cost in order to 231 00:18:49,120 --> 00:18:57,919 attract institutional investors for a project like this. Um the project right 232 00:18:54,160 --> 00:19:03,600 now at 250 units is at a 6.51% return on cost. Um so any reduction to 233 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:08,640 the number of units would drop the return on cost metric below what we 234 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:15,600 believe to be a financiable threshold. So the answer to your question is not an 235 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:20,960 easy one. Um because it is certainly possible that a project 236 00:19:18,559 --> 00:19:27,039 with economics below a 6 and a half% return on cost could be financable. But 237 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:30,799 the probability of of us being able to capitalize the project to the extent 238 00:19:28,559 --> 00:19:36,000 that we drop below that threshold becomes more and more intense and and 239 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:40,080 the the probability of us being able to get get the project capitalized is is 240 00:19:37,679 --> 00:19:45,120 under pressure as it is especially if we were um in the position where we'd have 241 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:49,200 to pay for the intersection light out of pocket or in in portion or entirely. 242 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:56,320 That's a risk we're willing to take. So, I guess that would be um our ask to the 243 00:19:53,200 --> 00:20:03,360 board. Um could we earn your support for this project as proposed if we agree to 244 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:08,799 um be on the hook for the intersection like cost regardless of its source of 245 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:15,440 funding um in exchange for the the 250 unit density 246 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:21,520 with the other you know compounding um complexity is regarding traffic. So, 247 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:25,600 we're dealing with a traffic problem from the opposite side of the spectrum 248 00:20:23,120 --> 00:20:29,919 where we're trying to generate enough traffic generated by the project in 249 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:36,080 order to warrant the intersection light. So, there's a pushpull here on on both 250 00:20:33,919 --> 00:20:38,799 regards with regards to financing and with regards to generating enough 251 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:43,200 traffic to warrant the intersection light. So, I think that would be our ask 252 00:20:41,120 --> 00:20:47,280 is is, you know, can we earn your your support if we were to if we were to make 253 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:51,039 that commitment to to fund the intersection light regardless of the 254 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:56,840 source of funding. >> Okay. Thank you. Appreciate that 255 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,840 explanation. 256 00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:06,440 » All right. Um I don't think is if anybody has any other questions. Oh, 257 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:06,440 yes, sir. 258 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:20,880 Uh Richard Edwards, 80 Oak Street. Um I've brought up this concern previously 259 00:21:18,159 --> 00:21:26,400 on this project, the fact that it um scoped out to have five stories and I 260 00:21:24,159 --> 00:21:34,240 think five-story buildings, residential buildings in Shbury is not in keeping 261 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:42,159 with the charm of Shrewberry. And so I would uh uh encourage the planning board 262 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:49,200 not to um approve any type of special permitting that would allow a five-story 263 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:55,280 building to be built. Um certainly um three-story buildings are certainly 264 00:21:50,880 --> 00:22:01,200 fine. Um um but I again I wanted to uh reiterate that concern um that uh um 265 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:09,760 five-story buildings here in Shrewsbury is uh uh really not uh um the best for 266 00:22:06,159 --> 00:22:13,640 Shrewsbury and the image of Shrewberry. Thank you. 267 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:13,640 » Thank you. 268 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:22,480 » All right. At this point um I What is the will of the board? I I don't think 269 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:28,559 that there is any additional information that needs to be collected on this 270 00:22:24,559 --> 00:22:35,520 particular project. At this point, I am rather inclined to close the hearing if 271 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:38,480 anybody has any concerns about that. >> All right. 272 00:22:36,159 --> 00:22:42,640 » No, no concerns about closing the public hearing. No. 273 00:22:39,120 --> 00:22:47,600 » Okay. So, at this point, uh, can I entertain a motion to close the public 274 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:50,240 hearing for this? >> That motion. Is there a second? 275 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:52,960 » Second. >> All those in favor? 276 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:55,440 » I I >> Do we have to call roll call on that, 277 00:22:54,559 --> 00:22:59,280 Chris? Because >> yes, Matt is remote. 278 00:22:57,120 --> 00:23:01,600 » My apologies. And and Penny's not voting on this. [clears throat] Correct. 279 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:10,080 » Correct. >> Okay. Um, so motion to close the hearing 280 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:12,159 has been made and seconded. Um, so Dino, >> yes. 281 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,919 » Kim, >> yes. 282 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:16,880 » Matt, >> yes. 283 00:23:14,559 --> 00:23:20,559 » And I am a yes. public hearing is closed. So, we will work on putting 284 00:23:18,799 --> 00:23:22,720 together a decision, have that for you at the next hearing, at the next 285 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:23,440 meeting. >> Okay. 286 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:24,559 » Okay. >> Okay. 287 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:27,880 » Thank you. >> Thank you all. 288 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:37,280 » Next item this evening is the proposed overhead canopy. This is a dimminimous 289 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:44,200 change request for 20 Lake Lake Lake 20 LLC. This is a new public meeting um for 290 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:44,200 193 Hartford Turnpike. 291 00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:01,039 Good evening. >> Um I can we just wait one second. I 292 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:05,080 think we need to have Steve come back in for a quorum. Is that right? 293 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:13,360 » Oh, Steve can't because >> he does have a [clears throat] conflict. 294 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:17,760 Apologies. Go ahead. Dennis Daro Yatco Energy 313 Boston Post Road West Marro 295 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:22,880 Mass here to request well we submitted our 296 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:28,559 plans for building permit etc. Um and one of the concerns that came up was 297 00:24:24,799 --> 00:24:32,799 with the original uh approval we have a two canopies on the site. One is a gas 298 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:37,600 canopy, one is a diesel canopy. They're both shown on the plan but not depicted 299 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:42,559 with words. Like the front canopy has a dotted line that shows and it has words 300 00:24:39,919 --> 00:24:46,960 that say proposed canopy, gasoline fueling canopy. The diesel canopy off to 301 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:51,919 the side has the same dotted lines around it, which is common, but it just 302 00:24:49,039 --> 00:24:55,760 didn't say proposed diesel canopy. So now the new plan was submitted has the 303 00:24:53,679 --> 00:25:00,080 words that say proposed diesel canopy. Same plan, just we put in proposed 304 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:02,880 diesel canopy. [laughter] So we were asked to come here just to 305 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,039 clarify that. >> Sure. 306 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:08,640 » U so if you look at both before and after plans, same plan, just we added 307 00:25:07,360 --> 00:25:12,720 those words. That was it. >> Okay, great. Thank you. Thank you. 308 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:17,360 » Yeah. So and just adding further context. So although it's a seems like a 309 00:25:14,799 --> 00:25:21,679 minor uh adjustment on the plans, um we did want to bring this before the board. 310 00:25:19,120 --> 00:25:26,559 Um it does as represented did show the hatch mark of uh the diesel area but 311 00:25:24,559 --> 00:25:30,480 wanted to ensure that the board as the canopy relates to massing on the 312 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:34,240 structure um had the chance um to reaffirm that that was uh the intent 313 00:25:33,039 --> 00:25:41,039 intention. So >> Okay. All right. Great. That does that 314 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:46,480 require a vote like a a roll call vote to accept the dimminimous change? Yep. 315 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:52,000 » Okay. All right. Um, so I guess is there a motion to accept this dimminimous ch 316 00:25:49,039 --> 00:25:54,880 this as a dimminimous change for 193 Hartford turnpike? 317 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:59,840 » Yes, I make that motion. >> And is there a second? 318 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:02,240 » Okay, so all those in favor, Penny, >> I 319 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:07,039 » Dino. Um, I'm a Yes. And Matt. 320 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,520 » Oh, he's >> So you're all you're all set. 321 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,760 » Thank you very much. >> Thank you. 322 00:26:14,159 --> 00:26:24,480 Next item this evening, proposed leased parking special permit for Thomas Fury. 323 00:26:19,360 --> 00:26:28,720 This is a new public hearing um for 882 Boston Turnpike. 324 00:26:26,799 --> 00:26:32,960 And before we get started, we just need to read the um public hearing notice. 325 00:26:31,360 --> 00:26:36,960 So, if you'll just bear with us for a moment. 326 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:41,039 The Shrewsbury Planning Board will hold a public hearing on Thursday evening, 327 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:44,320 September 3rd, 2026 at 7 PM in the select board's hearing room at the 328 00:26:42,559 --> 00:26:50,400 Richard D. Carney Municipal Office Building, 100 Maple Avenue to hear the 329 00:26:47,039 --> 00:26:55,919 application of Thomas Fiori, PO Box 248, Shoesby, Mass 01545, as required by the 330 00:26:53,679 --> 00:27:00,400 town of Shbury zoning bylaws section 7D3A5 331 00:26:58,799 --> 00:27:04,640 for a special permit by the planning board to allow for unenclosed parking 332 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:09,520 spaces located remote from the site but within 200 ft of their from. The 333 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:14,080 proposed site plan is shown on a plan accompanied by the application titled 334 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:20,960 quote site plan metro west motorcars end quote prepared by Land Planning Inc. 167 335 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:28,240 Hartford Avenue Bellingham Mass 02019 dated June 12th 2026 revive revised June 336 00:27:25,039 --> 00:27:32,720 26 2026 and stamped by Norman G. Hill professional engineer. The subject 337 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:37,520 project is located at 882 Boston Turnpike, southerntherly of Boston 338 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:44,720 Turnpike and east of Commons Drive and consists in whole or in part of Husby's 339 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:48,799 assessor's tax plate 36 plot 032000 0. A copy of the application and plans 340 00:27:47,120 --> 00:27:52,400 may be seen in the office of the planning and economic development 341 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:56,880 department at the Richard D. County Municipal Office Building 100 Maple 342 00:27:54,720 --> 00:28:01,000 Avenue Shbury Mass and on the planning board website at www.shburymma.gov 343 00:28:01,679 --> 00:28:08,399 ongoing projects. >> Welcome. 344 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:13,279 » Thank you. >> So what what what do we have this 345 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:18,159 morning or this evening? Uh this is uh regarding the property at 882 Boston 346 00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:22,880 Turnpike which I've had for uh operated a auto dealership and repair shop there 347 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:28,799 for quite a long time. I've leased the property out to Metro West Moto Cars and 348 00:28:27,039 --> 00:28:33,120 uh we've already been through or they have already been through the selectment 349 00:28:30,159 --> 00:28:37,600 and zoning board uh for approvals on the site plan, garage license and dealers's 350 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:45,440 license. And this is hopefully the last stop along the way. Uh regarding the 351 00:28:42,399 --> 00:28:50,559 small leased area that I have um adjacent to the property that I own that 352 00:28:48,399 --> 00:28:54,720 is a uh it's owned by the Shrewsbury Commons apartment building behind me. 353 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:59,440 There's a water mane underneath there that they have an easement uh for and 354 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:04,960 like I say, I have a long-term lease on that particular parcel from them for 355 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:10,720 parking purpose only. And part of the site plan for Metro West Moars did 356 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:14,960 include parking spots uh on that leased piece of property. And I was notified 357 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:20,720 that that would require coming before your board for approval uh because they 358 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:26,480 consider it offsite, I guess. So there's three display car parking and four 359 00:29:24,399 --> 00:29:32,960 employee parking spaces on that particular parcel that's in question. 360 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:36,000 » Okay, great. Thank you. Um Chris, do you have anything that you want to 361 00:29:34,159 --> 00:29:40,880 » No, as represented, so this is something that came up um out of the review of the 362 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:44,880 transfer of the license uh or the the license and permitting uh for the 363 00:29:42,559 --> 00:29:49,679 transfer of the business. Um again, uh so this is leased area, so it's not 364 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:58,240 owned by um the property owner. And so therefore, um we do require off-site um 365 00:29:53,200 --> 00:30:04,080 parking. We do require that the uh um uh space be deed have a deed uh 366 00:30:01,039 --> 00:30:11,679 acknowledgement of uh and be secured for the business um as well. So 367 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:14,720 » okay. All right. Um any members any board members with questions or comments 368 00:30:13,919 --> 00:30:19,520 on this? >> I don't no I think it's kind of hyper 369 00:30:17,039 --> 00:30:23,360 technical that you have to do this but uh given that it is adjacent but you 370 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:27,919 know been Tom's been operating that way for a 371 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:30,919 long time. Former selectman if anybody remembers 372 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:40,320 maybe not [laughter] out as they say. I get it. I know. I 373 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:45,440 know how that feels. Um but no, I I I have no issue with this. And 374 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:49,039 » this is a parking area that you've for How long have you used this? 375 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:53,600 » I've been using it for parking I've been there for 35 years. The business has 376 00:30:51,120 --> 00:31:00,640 been there over 60 and this has been parking for that long for this business. 377 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:04,880 » He's selling the business. So, it came up in conjunction with the sale. 378 00:31:02,559 --> 00:31:07,600 » Okay. >> So, the use remains the same. It's a 379 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,399 it's a parking. >> It It essentially reestablishes the 380 00:31:09,279 --> 00:31:13,039 rights for the new >> Yeah. No problem. 381 00:31:11,679 --> 00:31:17,919 » Okay. >> Understood. 382 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:20,720 All right. Um, this is a public hearing. Is there any member of the public 383 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:23,440 wishing to speak on this item this evening? 384 00:31:23,146 --> 00:31:28,880 [snorts] >> All right, seeing none, this seems 385 00:31:26,559 --> 00:31:33,360 relatively straightforward. Um, I would like to see if the board would entertain 386 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:35,520 a motion to close this public hearing tonight. 387 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:39,679 » I move that we close the public hearing on the special permit for 882 Boston 388 00:31:37,919 --> 00:31:43,519 Turnpike uh for the special permit for off-site 389 00:31:42,559 --> 00:31:45,840 parking. >> Is there a second? 390 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:49,200 » Second. >> All those in favor? All right. 391 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:52,880 » Do we have a decision? >> Opposed? 392 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:56,000 » Um, no, but I'll have one for the next meeting. 393 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,200 » You're all set. >> All set. Thank you. 394 00:31:56,799 --> 00:32:02,799 » Thank you. >> Thank you. 395 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:07,279 » Uh, next item that is printed on the agenda this evening is the proposed car 396 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:13,200 dealership site plan approval for WJC Enterprises. This was a continued public 397 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:18,080 hearing for 957 Boston Turnpike and 269 Walnut Street. they have submitted a 398 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:23,679 request to continue this public hearing. So, is there a motion to um continue 399 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:28,960 this public hearing to the next meeting which is 400 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:34,159 » October 2nd? So, October 1st, >> October 1st at 7 p.m., 401 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:41,679 » I move that we continue the public hearing on the uh site plan approval for 402 00:32:38,399 --> 00:32:46,080 957 Boston Turnpike and 269 Walnut Street until Thursday, October 1st at 7 403 00:32:45,279 --> 00:32:48,240 p.m. >> Is there a second? 404 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:53,537 » Second. >> All those in favor? I opposed. Eyes have 405 00:32:51,519 --> 00:32:56,240 it. >> [clears throat] 406 00:32:53,760 --> 00:33:02,559 » So that hearing that hearing will be continued to the October 1st meeting. Uh 407 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:06,480 next hearing this evening is the proposed mixeduse development site plan 408 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:13,919 approval and special permit for Specttacular LLC. This is a continued 409 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:16,399 public hearing for 335 Maple A. >> Good evening. 410 00:33:14,799 --> 00:33:19,793 » Good evening. >> Hello. [cough] 411 00:33:21,279 --> 00:33:26,399 Get my slide deck up here. For the record, Mark Borenstein, 412 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:31,600 attorney Prince Lebell, representing the applicant. To my right, it's Tim um 413 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:35,679 Hayes of Bor Engineering and Tim Adams of Spectacular LLC. 414 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:41,120 Seeing my photo on the camera, that's distracting. 415 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:45,840 Um so, uh we've got a short slide deck for you. Um so, presumably, uh the board 416 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:49,840 has seen some of the revisions we've made to the plan since the last meeting. 417 00:33:48,159 --> 00:33:54,240 Um the development teams have been working diligently to refine the design 418 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:59,120 but also address a lot of the comments that we've received from the board from 419 00:33:56,080 --> 00:34:04,080 the from the public and through staff. Um so with that I will turn over to Sam 420 00:34:02,559 --> 00:34:10,440 Adams to kind of walk through some of the recent changes but first I have to 421 00:34:07,039 --> 00:34:10,440 share my screen. 422 00:34:15,599 --> 00:34:18,760 Come on 423 00:34:25,119 --> 00:34:28,119 window. 424 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:42,159 » This is going to be real high level, right? Because this was just kind of 425 00:34:41,119 --> 00:34:48,000 dumped on us. >> Yes, very high level. 426 00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:51,919 high level like elevation or >> well you could get plenty of that. You 427 00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:58,560 have plenty of elevation such a hard time with this system here. 428 00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:03,359 » High level meaning you've been quick or >> no what we don't you just submitted this 429 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,200 and we're going to >> Oh, okay. Yeah. All right. 430 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,119 » review. >> Yeah. I just want to make sure that 431 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:12,560 everyone >> don't have a problem. 432 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:16,079 » Yeah. Is there any way I can like turn that maybe so you can see it and the 433 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:18,320 audience can see it? >> We have one right here. 434 00:35:17,599 --> 00:35:22,240 » Yeah. >> Okay. But I mean to point at it 435 00:35:21,359 --> 00:35:23,920 » up there >> to go do it over there. 436 00:35:23,359 --> 00:35:29,880 » Yeah. >> Okay. 437 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:29,880 » I can toggle the mouse too maybe. 438 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:45,119 So this is the previous plan. I don't think we need to go over it. 439 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:51,680 » Right. Okay. And we we went back and based on all the comments from the board 440 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:56,800 and uh from the audience uh the attendees 441 00:35:53,200 --> 00:36:05,040 um we went back and said well how can we look at it fresh and try to incorporate 442 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:09,520 uh those changes into the plan and the revised plan. 443 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,880 » Go over the request. >> Sorry. 444 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:16,320 » You want to go over the >> Yeah. So what the the the items that we 445 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:21,200 had listed just to review them quickly uh increase the ratio between the 446 00:36:18,720 --> 00:36:26,320 commercial and residential uses uh improve connectivity between the upper 447 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:32,960 and lower portions of the site of the development. uh integr in increase the 448 00:36:29,599 --> 00:36:36,960 integration of the units uh modify roof lines and I'll come back to the 449 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:41,839 architectural because we're we're flexible on the architectural so I don't 450 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:46,960 want to get hung up on the architectural so I you know I'm happy to meet with 451 00:36:44,720 --> 00:36:52,400 whoever we need to meet with and hear some suggestions and propose something 452 00:36:50,240 --> 00:36:57,680 but you know everyone has sort of has a different opinion but we can make it 453 00:36:54,400 --> 00:37:03,280 look uh you know village colonial some version of that. Um, reduce the 454 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:08,079 massing adjacent to the residential properties along Oak Street. So, it was 455 00:37:06,079 --> 00:37:13,680 mentioned a few times people even though we showed the crosssections that they 456 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:19,280 there were people didn't want, you know, the top floor looking in their windows, 457 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:26,000 which is physically impossible, but I I understand the concern. uh and then uh 458 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:31,839 reduce the massing adjacent to the uh along Maple, which I had we had heard 459 00:37:28,720 --> 00:37:37,119 through planning that that was a concern um from uh from the board. Uh address 460 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:42,800 traffic along Oak Street, reduce the number of curb cuts along Oak Street, 461 00:37:39,359 --> 00:37:49,359 and improve efficiency of parking. So, we addressed all those items, and I 462 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:52,400 I'm not sure I can do it in that order. >> So, yeah. We're going to go individual. 463 00:37:51,359 --> 00:37:55,440 » I'm going to do it and if I leave something out, you tell me. 464 00:37:53,359 --> 00:38:00,480 » All right. Well, we So, just just to orient the board. So, this is the 465 00:37:57,839 --> 00:38:06,160 recently submitted rendered plan. This is the new design. And so, we're going 466 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:10,720 to go through each of the requests that Sam um highlighted before and just 467 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:13,520 provides some additional context. High level. 468 00:38:11,599 --> 00:38:19,680 » Yeah. It's not really a new design. It's just, you know, a a modified fine 469 00:38:16,079 --> 00:38:23,599 » trying to trying to accomplish uh what everyone was looking for or we 470 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:29,839 understood what was verbalized at previous meetings. 471 00:38:25,599 --> 00:38:35,359 » Okay. So, uh the increase the uh the the the ratio between the commercial and 472 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:40,480 residential uses. Uh we did that. We took the supermarket building and 473 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:45,119 mirrored it. So receiving goes to the other side which also works out well 474 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:52,240 because it keeps any of that noise and visibly away from Maple Street for you 475 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:57,599 know reduces the exposure. And then uh I added uh commercial space, small shop, 476 00:38:55,359 --> 00:39:04,079 what I would call small shop shop space, 8,000 square feet um on the side of that 477 00:39:01,839 --> 00:39:10,400 uh a portion of it would face out to the main lot and the rema the other uh would 478 00:39:07,359 --> 00:39:16,880 face out to the street. So this is sort of you know with this is a this building 479 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:22,240 support building is a bit of more mass. Uh with this with this um we're showing 480 00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:27,359 uh three and a uh three and a half or two and a half floors there. So it would 481 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:33,280 be um commercial on the first floor, small shop space and uh uh right now 482 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:38,320 we're saying there'd be some residential above that for two floors. And that 483 00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:43,440 could also depending on where we went up with unit count that could also be some 484 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:47,760 office space because that's a very that's a strong what we call retail very 485 00:39:45,599 --> 00:39:52,880 strong corner. So you'd have windows, you know, out to maple, exposure to 486 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:57,680 maple and to the front lot, and that could be made to look very colonial with 487 00:39:54,880 --> 00:40:03,040 a slope roof, maybe some dormers, maybe no dormers. We're we're open to, you 488 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:07,680 know, what what the what people want to see architecturally, but that can start 489 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:12,720 to give you sort of a village concept. And what we tried to do with this whole 490 00:40:09,839 --> 00:40:17,200 uh uh when we modified it was okay we have the residential and the way now the 491 00:40:15,359 --> 00:40:23,599 way we look at it is instead of sort of the residential being you know up top we 492 00:40:21,119 --> 00:40:28,960 look at it is now we're sort of facing Maple and we have you come in you've got 493 00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:35,599 you know Arborview Shrewsbury residences 494 00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:40,720 and we've got Arborview View shops. Um so this this starts the line. So this is 495 00:40:38,079 --> 00:40:47,200 another 8,000 or possibly more if we do commercial space um uh offices on the 496 00:40:43,839 --> 00:40:53,040 second and third floor. And we did that and we stepped them because it 497 00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:56,800 transitions us over to what was building five historically now it's building 498 00:40:54,560 --> 00:41:04,079 three. This again this is building one, building two, building three and we are 499 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:09,839 showing first floor small shop space. So facing out onto uh Maple Avenue would be 500 00:41:07,119 --> 00:41:16,160 small shop space with the uh park associated parking in front of it. And 501 00:41:12,720 --> 00:41:20,400 then on top of that uh residential and from the street side before we had a 502 00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:26,000 fourstory building there. Now we're showing um a threetory building with a 503 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:32,480 slope roof that it can again help us accomplish the whole villagy feel. Um 504 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:38,960 you know a village mixeduse feel for that. And um then we're we're bringing 505 00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:43,040 well that so that so that and that's residential above and then we're going 506 00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:48,480 to bring the driveway as we start to climb because we figured out how to get 507 00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:54,560 up to the upper area driving uh internally. Um this is actually climbs 508 00:41:51,200 --> 00:42:01,280 up and then from this side it's just a residential building three floors and 509 00:41:57,359 --> 00:42:07,440 that parking is behind the building. So we've we've some given some separation 510 00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:11,720 to the actual uses um and the parking associated with with those uses. 511 00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:19,200 Um so we uh site connectivity. Okay, we're on to the next one. Improve 512 00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:24,560 connectiv connectivity between the upper and lower portions of the mixed use. So 513 00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:29,040 before we had we had come up every time we came back we were trying to get more 514 00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:33,760 residential in more residential connectivity and you know it was said 515 00:42:31,839 --> 00:42:38,640 repeatedly that well there should be vehicular connectivity. So once you're 516 00:42:36,079 --> 00:42:43,119 on the site you can stop and do your shopping and then go up to your 517 00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:47,359 apartment. So in this case, as I just mentioned, there'll be some residential 518 00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:52,960 here, residential in this building, but then in your car, you can drive up and 519 00:42:50,319 --> 00:42:56,640 all of this is ADA compliant. So you can go up in a wheelchair, it's 6% or less, 520 00:42:55,760 --> 00:43:03,119 » four and a half% >> 4 and a.5%. It's a very shallow slope. 521 00:42:59,599 --> 00:43:05,119 And we accomplished that by um taking what was building five, now building 522 00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:10,560 three. >> Next one. So it's easier to see. 523 00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:15,040 » And u rotating it. So we we extended the toe of the slope because the problem 524 00:43:12,319 --> 00:43:20,400 before was this it sto slope was just too steep. So we kept this corner we 525 00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:25,119 rotated this building so we could have parking and the proper uh setbacks and 526 00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:33,440 green space in the front of it. Um but it moved our toe the the slope toe out 527 00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:38,400 which softened the entire slope. So that start that helped us sort of start 528 00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:43,280 getting up it. And then when we we did some calculations and we said, "Well, I 529 00:43:41,119 --> 00:43:48,240 didn't do them, but Tim did them." And uh said, "Well, we're not quite there 530 00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:53,920 yet and we need more. We need the slope to be shallower in order to get the 531 00:43:51,359 --> 00:43:59,760 slope that we want for vehicular and pedestrian." Um and we accomplished that 532 00:43:56,720 --> 00:44:05,119 by taking the parking lot that was here and we moved it over to this side and 533 00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:09,119 that brought that extended the the top of the slope up. So, we took it from a 534 00:44:07,359 --> 00:44:16,160 slope that was like this that really you couldn't get up with a vehicle to like 535 00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:21,520 this and now uh it can be done with a car with a we you know we put a nice 536 00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:26,319 winding sort of road in there. Um and additionally that road we extended it 537 00:44:23,839 --> 00:44:31,839 down so you can also come out to this side of the supermarket and be at uh 538 00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:37,599 different different development but the three pads the three lower pads on lot 539 00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:42,960 one. And from an access standpoint that lets you you know come in off Route 9 540 00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:48,240 now and come in and sort of go up the back way up here or the back way and get 541 00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:54,800 over here. It allows you to come in uh this entry on Maple and do some uh hit 542 00:44:52,480 --> 00:45:02,319 the commercial space, the retail space and come up this way or this way and 543 00:44:58,240 --> 00:45:09,359 then the uh the farther curb cut that was for just an isolated building. five 544 00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:14,160 before. Now that brings you in and you sort of you drive in and here there'll 545 00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:18,160 be, you know, uh probably a stone wall with a sign that says, you know, the 546 00:45:15,839 --> 00:45:23,119 shops, you know, our review of the shops and 547 00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:29,280 our review the residences. One way is your your decision making side. Um and 548 00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:35,760 then additionally at the top you still have the uh the what was proposed before 549 00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:41,119 was the uh main entry to the upper residential but now it's all connect 550 00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:44,960 connected and that that actually we we traffic has looked at it. I don't have 551 00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:52,240 the the letter, but he said that actually reduces traffic, the 552 00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:58,079 residential traffic onto Oakw uh because now there's other ways to go 553 00:45:54,160 --> 00:46:06,240 out and to come in. Um, also when as soon as we looked at doing this and uh 554 00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:13,599 Tim said, "Well, then we don't need the uh the driveway that's coming uh in this 555 00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:17,920 in uh the second driveway on Oak." Um, which we originally started as full 556 00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:22,000 access and then we because of concern from the neighbor, we had agreed to make 557 00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:26,400 it emergency access only, but now we're actually able to completely completely 558 00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:31,040 eliminate it. So, we've removed that curb cut from Oak and that and that 559 00:46:29,359 --> 00:46:36,640 driveway because we have so many multiple points of access now and it's 560 00:46:34,240 --> 00:46:41,119 all integrated on that on on that property. 561 00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:45,040 Um, you've kind of already touched upon some of these, Sam, so we might be able 562 00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:50,400 to fly through them, but just a just a highlight for the board. Um, as Sam 563 00:46:47,599 --> 00:46:54,880 mentioned before, now in buildings two and three, there's vertical integration 564 00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:59,359 in the buildings. So there's ground floor retail or commercial and there's 565 00:46:57,119 --> 00:47:02,880 residential units above which is very much consistent with what the Lakeway 566 00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:07,920 overly district guidelines are asking for. Um so just wanted to highlight that 567 00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:12,960 » sort of gives us three kinds of residential product which is you know I 568 00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:16,800 think on this corner and this and this is the parking for these units that 569 00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:22,480 would be gated so it's always available to to those residents but it gives us 570 00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:27,200 you know that's a very urban feel to it. um you know to be above uh the 571 00:47:24,720 --> 00:47:33,040 commercial. I once lived on top of a Starbucks in California years ago and I 572 00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:37,680 used to walk out of my apartment, go downstairs in my box or underpants, walk 573 00:47:36,079 --> 00:47:42,880 the counter, make [laughter] make myself a coffee and walk out and 574 00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:48,240 now you can't do that. But >> it was nice to have the coffee placeet. 575 00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:51,440 » He's getting overly personal now. So, um, and Sam touched upon this previously 576 00:47:49,839 --> 00:47:55,680 as well, but just I think these images really help underscore the efforts that 577 00:47:54,480 --> 00:48:01,119 have been undertaken by the development team to reduce the the massing along 578 00:47:58,720 --> 00:48:05,119 Maple. So, this is if you're looking at the side of or the front of the the 579 00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,240 retail grocery store. >> I'll do this. 580 00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:10,319 » Okay. >> This is if you're looking at, you know, 581 00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:15,920 this is a cross-section of these two buildings. Um and you know I mean this 582 00:48:13,359 --> 00:48:19,760 height is you know unsure until it gets designed at but it's more the 583 00:48:18,079 --> 00:48:25,520 composition that we're we're trying to show you the proposed composition which 584 00:48:22,079 --> 00:48:29,440 is uh the brown is the commercial commercial and then right now we're 585 00:48:27,359 --> 00:48:34,319 showing the residential and I don't think this would be residential. Um we 586 00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:39,359 thought you because unless you put dormers up here and that's sort of uh 587 00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:43,200 would be sort of up in the air as far as I think if you don't want to the at 588 00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:47,040 night you might put dormers but you wouldn't have units. They would be blank 589 00:48:45,359 --> 00:48:52,000 dormers. It would just be an architectural thing and not actually 590 00:48:49,119 --> 00:48:56,480 functional. Um so that would reduce that. And as far as you know maybe this 591 00:48:54,640 --> 00:49:01,359 roof even comes down here and then they're active dormers sort of depends 592 00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:05,920 where we wind up architecturally. You know again we'd be happy to work with 593 00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:09,040 the board come up with some uh schematics questions. 594 00:49:07,359 --> 00:49:13,160 » Excuse me. Thank you. Okay, let's go to the next one. 595 00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:23,760 Oh, building three. We're here. Okay, so this is this building and a 596 00:49:19,359 --> 00:49:30,720 cross-section across it. And uh this is the the ground level. So this goes out 597 00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:34,319 to the parking lot in front of the commercial. So that that parking is 598 00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:40,079 right there in front of the small shop space. and then two floors of 599 00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:44,800 residential above that and then some kind of slope roof depending where we 600 00:49:42,079 --> 00:49:50,000 wind up architecturally but lower before we had you know a fourstory building 601 00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:56,640 there uh the massing was very different different feel to it. Um and then on the 602 00:49:52,720 --> 00:50:01,599 back side this is the parking lot level in the back. So the first floor 603 00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:07,760 commercial the back of those units is essentially like a retaining wall. It's 604 00:50:03,119 --> 00:50:13,200 like a like a basement in the back. Um, and but you come around to the back side 605 00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:18,480 where this parking lot is and then we've got three stories from that side and 606 00:50:16,720 --> 00:50:22,400 we're not looking at the back of a commercial building because you're up 607 00:50:20,079 --> 00:50:27,720 above it. So from that side it just looks like a threetory uh residential 608 00:50:24,720 --> 00:50:27,720 building. 609 00:50:28,559 --> 00:50:39,200 Any questions? Just jump in. >> Okay. Um, and then these are uh the 610 00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:45,119 buildings up top that are behind immediately behind the u Oak Street 611 00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:53,200 residents. The three Oak houses on Oak Street were over here over here and uh 612 00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:57,440 what we did was uh we went three stories on their side and that'll be a slope 613 00:50:55,440 --> 00:51:03,280 roof. So again something to match what we're doing architecturally 614 00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:09,280 elsewhere. But then internal into the project we kept the four we kept the 615 00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:13,200 four floors. Um and uh so you know you've got a double loaded hallway on 616 00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:17,760 the first, second and third floor and then on the fourth floor you've got a 617 00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:21,200 single loaded hallway and again this you know might have 618 00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:28,720 dormers or again depends where you wind up architecturally. 619 00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:35,280 Um and then we uh Tim was able to feed this into where with the crosssections 620 00:51:31,599 --> 00:51:39,119 that we had previously um shown you. And so this is uh these are the houses. I 621 00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,720 think we have one of these for each house because they're all slightly 622 00:51:40,319 --> 00:51:43,599 different. >> I think 112 623 00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:47,599 » this is 112 >> and most northerly 624 00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:51,599 » um and uh um so you know standing if you're 5t tall you're looking believe me 625 00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:55,280 you can't see through there. I've been up there. We just, you know, did some 626 00:51:53,440 --> 00:52:00,800 fence maintenance and put the slats in the fence and it is, you can't see 5t 627 00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:06,160 into the jungle up there. But I appreciate the concern. But again, you 628 00:52:03,119 --> 00:52:10,319 know, this this is this is if we were to draw this accurately, you know, it would 629 00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:14,240 be super dense. You wouldn't see through this at all because it's not all high 630 00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:18,160 canopy. It's actually low growth and canopy. 631 00:52:15,839 --> 00:52:25,119 Um, and you'll see if you're looking out here, you are um you're essentially 632 00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:28,720 looking at the top of the pitch roof now, 633 00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:33,280 you know, and that's because we have this building we're at, you know, we're 634 00:52:30,240 --> 00:52:43,359 we're moving material here. Um, so the building is much lower 635 00:52:35,839 --> 00:52:47,040 than this. This is at 502 and this is at 533. 636 00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:49,599 I don't know if that's building >> 538. 637 00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:54,400 » 538. I don't know if that was included the 5T of the person shown. 638 00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:58,319 » So you're way above that's no different than, you know, if this if you just had 639 00:52:56,480 --> 00:53:02,319 a subdivision back there, you'd be looking at at rooms. And if you didn't 640 00:53:00,720 --> 00:53:08,400 excavate, you'd be looking at probably the entire house, you know, instead of 641 00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:14,720 instead of just that. Um then efficiency of parking. We meet all the 642 00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:20,960 requirements. Um and uh um has improved efficiency. We did because 643 00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:27,680 of the increased commercial and the difference in layout, we did remove or 644 00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:32,559 swept back some of the uh spaces that we had said we would uh bank 645 00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:38,240 uh because we needed to because all of a sudden we we didn't meet the threshold. 646 00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:42,400 So, if we can take out some and bank them, we we're happy to do that. But for 647 00:53:40,559 --> 00:53:48,160 the exercise to get it done for tonight's meeting, you know, we didn't 648 00:53:44,319 --> 00:53:54,800 fine-tune it to that degree. Um, and um uh um and the number will also go down 649 00:53:51,520 --> 00:54:01,040 slightly because we have to factor in uh trash. And I typically do more handicap 650 00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:05,760 than is required. And for small shops, I usually do um pickup, you know, prior to 651 00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:10,079 pickup where like I did at marketplace where there are some signs that are some 652 00:54:07,599 --> 00:54:15,119 spaces that are reserved people. come in and uh they bring out the food 653 00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:19,280 or you know if it's shortterm you know five 10 minute parking depending on the 654 00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:24,240 tenant. So the actual number will go down a little 655 00:54:21,359 --> 00:54:32,640 but we we can we can meet um the what's required by code. Um, so again this is 656 00:54:28,559 --> 00:54:37,280 that same list and you know we put a check mark near everyone that we 657 00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:40,280 everyone that we every item that we addressed 658 00:54:40,559 --> 00:54:43,839 and I don't think I need to go over again. 659 00:54:43,119 --> 00:54:48,720 » No. >> Okay. And I'm going to sit down. 660 00:54:46,079 --> 00:54:52,720 » So So I'll defer to the to the chair. Uh we have uh additional slides going over 661 00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:54,880 the special permit and the site plan criteria as we've done in previous 662 00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:59,280 meetings. >> Oh. Oh, I I think we missed something 663 00:54:56,400 --> 00:55:04,319 though. Can we go back? Uh because on buildings, we skipped over buildings um 664 00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:09,440 » four and five. >> Sure. 665 00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:13,280 » Okay. So, buildings four different names numbers on the buildings on the 666 00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:15,200 conceptual plan that you submitted. >> Well, that's an old one. That's not the 667 00:55:14,720 --> 00:55:18,800 new one. >> Well, it shows the loop road. Yeah. 668 00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:23,200 » Yeah. But we would that was like very preliminary. So I think when I'm sure 669 00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:27,599 you'll get all the the new docs and you'll see but because originally you 670 00:55:25,839 --> 00:55:31,520 were one and two up here and now it's really mixed use so it makes more sense 671 00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:33,359 to be numbering it from >> it wasn't mixed use before. 672 00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:37,200 » What's that? >> It wasn't mixed use before. 673 00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:39,359 » No, it was mixed but but it it it now you're diving between them all. 674 00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:44,240 » Got it. >> So and we think it actually presents 675 00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:50,240 from maple because from from oak you're sort of you know in the woods. Yeah. 676 00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:56,480 » Um so, uh we removed some of those like those half floors that I mentioned. Um 677 00:55:53,200 --> 00:56:02,000 and then it was actually suggested to us by through planning that I thought came 678 00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:05,359 from the board said, "We'll take off some of the units on building five, 679 00:56:04,079 --> 00:56:11,119 which is the residential building on Maple, and put them on the buildings on 680 00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:15,200 the top of the hill." So, so I wouldn't have come up with that on my own, but 681 00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:21,920 that was that was what we heard as a suggestion. So, that's what we did to 682 00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:27,200 maintain to maintain the count. And it was only brought up for building for 683 00:56:24,799 --> 00:56:30,880 building three, formerly building five. But I said, well, that's an that's 684 00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:36,880 really interesting because that would let us do the same things to these two 685 00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:42,400 buildings. So now we're sort of tipping down to the to the to the residential 686 00:56:39,599 --> 00:56:48,079 neighborhoods with those slope roofs and less mass. Um um so I didn't want you to 687 00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:52,880 think that I was trying to slide that one in. Um I missed it on the 688 00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:59,440 presentation. So we show we're still at the 270 units. Um and that's what we're 689 00:56:56,880 --> 00:57:04,000 showing here. The the fivetory buildings are internal in the project. So they 690 00:57:02,079 --> 00:57:10,799 don't face out. They're not you're not over anyone's house. Um you know where 691 00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:15,680 we are uh close to a butters we've actually [clears throat] reduced the 692 00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:19,880 height and gone with a slope roof. >> Okay. 693 00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:19,880 » Okay. Thank you. 694 00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:28,400 » So just to go back to it, Madam Chair, would the board like me to review the 695 00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:33,200 criteria? >> I I don't think that's that that's a 696 00:57:30,799 --> 00:57:35,440 necessity. I appreciate that. put it out there. I think 697 00:57:33,839 --> 00:57:37,359 » we got it. We got it ready for you guys. >> We got it. 698 00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:42,799 » We got it. [laughter] >> Oh, I appreciate that. Thank you. Um, so 699 00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:49,040 I guess at this point I'd like to um open it up to the board for any 700 00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:52,400 questions or comments. >> Penny, do you have anything at start? 701 00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:54,880 Okay. Do you know? >> Not right now. 702 00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:59,280 » Steve, >> question for the engineer. I'm sorry. I 703 00:57:57,839 --> 00:58:06,079 forget Tim. Yeah. >> How many how many linear feet is the 704 00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:10,079 bunny trail, the slope? Uh if if I were a pedestrian 705 00:58:08,079 --> 00:58:16,720 taking that walking along till I get to the culdeac 706 00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:19,599 till to the Aldi or whatever the small supermarket. 707 00:58:18,319 --> 00:58:25,400 You want to go from >> I want to go from say building from the 708 00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:25,400 upper apartments 709 00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:29,200 » down to the Aldi >> down to the Aldi. 710 00:58:28,559 --> 00:58:30,240 » Yes. Yes. >> Supermarket. 711 00:58:29,839 --> 00:58:37,760 » Yeah. >> Um I don't have the exact number. It is 712 00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:42,000 over 1,000 ft. Um it it is at 4 and a half% though. So it's no there's no 713 00:58:39,839 --> 00:58:45,839 ramps, handrails, all that to do accessible. It's a sidewalk adjacent to 714 00:58:43,839 --> 00:58:51,839 the roadway. So that's we were able to make the slope work to have a 715 00:58:48,559 --> 00:58:54,400 » well,000 ft and 2,000 ft is the big difference. 716 00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:57,520 » Yeah. Like I don't have my scale in front of me, but um it's a great 717 00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:59,359 question. I get you answer. It's it's over 1,000 ft, though. 718 00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:03,920 » Okay. >> And we provided I didn't point them out, 719 00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:09,119 but if I may, we we provided sub uh stairs at different points all along 720 00:59:06,799 --> 00:59:12,319 there so you can do the shortcuts. >> So I want to take the mogul. Huh. 721 00:59:11,450 --> 00:59:16,036 [laughter] >> Stairs are good for you. I know 722 00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:18,056 » clearly got skiing on the mind. [laughter] 723 00:59:21,119 --> 00:59:26,559 » That's my question. >> Okay, Tim, do you have any questions? 724 00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:31,440 » Just a concern over the five stories, the prominence and the scale when you're 725 00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:35,359 when you're coming east on nine that those fivetory buildings going to be 726 00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:40,720 right on right on top of you and just concerned in this district for the town 727 00:59:38,559 --> 00:59:43,440 that kind of scale and massing. Yeah, I again I wouldn't have done it, but I 728 00:59:42,079 --> 00:59:48,400 thought that's what you were looking for. So I'm I'm open to doing something 729 00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:51,760 else, but that's what we heard through planning. That's why we did it. 730 00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:55,680 » They said reduce the number. >> Yeah, I think it was I think it was 731 00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:58,400 reduce the number of units, not reduce and put them elsewhere, but 732 00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:05,839 » Okay, >> that's that was what I I thought we were 733 01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:11,280 originally going to be trying to pursue. Um, 734 01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:15,599 » so, so would you pref So you I'm I'm you all sort of I'm getting the vibe that 735 01:00:13,359 --> 01:00:20,839 we're not like in the fifth floor. Um, and uh I think right 736 01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:30,880 » personally no. >> Uh, so I mean we could take a look at 737 01:00:27,359 --> 01:00:36,480 that to to to eliminate that and see where we, you know, we'll wind up. I 738 01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:44,799 think in that building you we've got uh 66 units. So divided by five is what? 13 739 01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:50,640 units per floor. So if you took off, you know, I think you'd be down about 250 740 01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:56,400 units. Um if you took off the you cut that fifth floor off and and there would 741 01:00:53,520 --> 01:01:00,720 be some distri, you know, possible redistribution somewhere else. But I 742 01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:06,079 think that's that's basically, you know, where you'd wind up. you'd wind up with 743 01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:10,119 uh 25 units less, something like that. 20 25 units less 744 01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:16,400 » if you were to make the old building five all commercial. I know you're going 745 01:01:14,079 --> 01:01:20,720 to be competing against yourself, Sam, across the street. Forgot about the 746 01:01:18,319 --> 01:01:25,200 residential units. It made it a smaller project. 747 01:01:22,799 --> 01:01:29,880 Still doesn't integrate it, but it's certainly more palatable in my mind. 748 01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:38,640 I I understand the challenges you're working with. I I appreciate the efforts 749 01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:44,400 you've made. I'm not unsympathetic to your plight, but it's it's still 750 01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:49,480 in my mind not an integrated site. That's 751 01:01:46,079 --> 01:01:49,480 just one vote. 752 01:01:51,119 --> 01:02:04,079 » Can we talk about the four um buildings on on top? Um, one of the, 753 01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:09,839 um, crosssections that you had shown, um, shows the sloped roof towards the 754 01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:14,960 back. Um, and then on the other side, the call it 755 01:02:12,799 --> 01:02:19,760 the Maple Maple Street side. Is that fair to say? Um, I'm making an 756 01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:25,920 assumption, please correct me if I'm wrong, that on that Maple Street side, 757 01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:29,440 you will still have you're these buildings are going to have rooftop 758 01:02:27,119 --> 01:02:34,480 units. Correct. >> Uh, probably that and you know that's 759 01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:39,040 sort of the standard. They'll be they would be part of the unit would I think 760 01:02:36,319 --> 01:02:42,960 is typically inside and then the maybe a condenser outside. The contentions are I 761 01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:49,440 mean I can go up on my roof at marketplace and I I have to bend down to 762 01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:54,559 see if it's actually even on. Um but they would be you know they can have 763 01:02:51,119 --> 01:03:01,040 they can have uh you know visual and an acoustic pen or or on each unit 764 01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:04,720 depending how they're laid out. um that would make it so you can't see them or 765 01:03:03,359 --> 01:03:08,720 you definitely I mean I don't think you you're hearing it from anywhere in the 766 01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:14,240 neighborhood because I have to bend down to listen to the ones if I'm standing in 767 01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:20,079 front of it. They're super quiet now. >> And and I guess that's that the the 768 01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:25,839 noise is something that is in my mind. But also I I'm thinking about in terms 769 01:03:22,319 --> 01:03:33,440 of um height the height of those buildings with like does that account 770 01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:37,440 or any units that are going to be ont like you're not going to see them unless 771 01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:40,720 you're standing on the roof? >> Um 772 01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:43,599 » usually we with these types of developments you put them in like the 773 01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:48,599 center of the building so that way they'll be away from the public view. 774 01:03:45,599 --> 01:03:48,599 Okay. 775 01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:56,880 » Is building three any further away from Maple? 776 01:03:54,079 --> 01:04:01,920 » Building three, that corner is the same distance. So, um, somebody said 777 01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:06,960 something about the distance from Maple and uh they were referring to that 778 01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:11,760 corner which was the closest corner. So, there is nothing closer than what was 779 01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:15,920 the closer uh portion of the building before. It was more skew before. 780 01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:19,680 » Okay. And in order to get, you know, up the hill, we had to move out the tow 781 01:04:17,599 --> 01:04:22,960 slope. In order to move out the tow slope, we had to uh pivot the building. 782 01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:28,400 » Okay. >> On that corner, but it's no closer than 783 01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:31,680 it was. >> Okay. 784 01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:34,559 All right. This this is a public hearing. I'd like to open it up to 785 01:04:33,119 --> 01:04:41,480 members of the public wishing to speak on this item this evening. Yes, sir. 786 01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:41,480 Please come up and just Yeah. Sorry. 787 01:04:42,884 --> 01:04:44,904 » [clears throat] 788 01:04:53,280 --> 01:05:02,400 » Let me just pull up my notes. Uh Richard Edwards, 80 Oak Street. 789 01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:07,760 And uh first of all, I'd uh like to thank you guys here. looks like you 790 01:05:04,079 --> 01:05:13,920 really put a lot of effort uh into uh uh the revised plan that you uh um put 791 01:05:11,039 --> 01:05:19,839 together. I'm I'm I'm very impressed in uh the fact that you were able to to do 792 01:05:16,319 --> 01:05:23,680 that. Um but notwithstanding, I do have some 793 01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:28,960 concerns. Um 794 01:05:25,359 --> 01:05:34,640 so one is even though um you've added additional commercial square footage, 795 01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:39,760 there's still 270 residential units. Uh this is way too many for this section of 796 01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:44,720 Shrewsbury. Uh the increased traffic to Oak Maple Route 9 will create more 797 01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:49,359 potential for accidents and this is especially true for Oak Street where two 798 01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:54,720 schools are located. Uh they've introduced two five-story 799 01:05:52,160 --> 01:06:00,079 buildings. uh per their letter, this was a recommendation from the planning 800 01:05:56,559 --> 01:06:05,839 department. So I'm wondering who in the planning department would recommend 801 01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:09,200 fivetory buildings when 802 01:06:07,839 --> 01:06:14,160 whoever it is and you got your hand raised. You know that the public has 803 01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:18,160 specifically come out and said many many times five stories and four stories is 804 01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:20,160 way too many. >> I think he's looking to explain himself. 805 01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:24,079 So >> what's that? just finish and Chris will 806 01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:30,400 address with any concern. >> So, um and they have also introduced 807 01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:35,280 buildings that have a modified three and fourtory configurations. 808 01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:41,039 Um so, I would say that I would encourage special permits not be granted 809 01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:45,200 for buildings that exceed three stories. Uh buildings taller than three three 810 01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:50,319 stories are not keeping with the charm of Shrewsbury and the residents that are 811 01:06:47,599 --> 01:06:55,280 adjacent to this property. uh they eliminated the emergency access 812 01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:59,839 on Oak Street, which is which is good. Uh this certainly is a step in the right 813 01:06:57,520 --> 01:07:07,680 direction. However, what kind of guarantees are there that there won't be 814 01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:13,039 some type of development later on either from the developer or the town 815 01:07:10,319 --> 01:07:20,000 that would dictate that that access point has to be opened up. Um so 816 01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:26,160 potentially an argument could be made in the future for creating this access 817 01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:31,280 road. So in this particular plan now you've taken it out but who's to say 818 01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:36,880 three years from now, five years from now they come back to the planning board 819 01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:40,960 and say yeah we need to put this back in. So are there going to be any 820 01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:45,760 guarantees um to make sure that that can't be put 821 01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:52,720 in? Are we looking at making changes to the property um 822 01:07:49,359 --> 01:07:57,920 um right of way changes to the right of way that are set up on the property so 823 01:07:54,480 --> 01:08:03,280 that that can't be done? So that's a a question that that I have out there. Um 824 01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:09,599 if you look at the whole design of the project, the buildings and the parking 825 01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:13,599 lots, everything is too tightly packed together. 826 01:08:11,119 --> 01:08:19,040 And the buildings in the parking lots are built out right to the edge of the 827 01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:23,520 property. This makes it look like a typical strip mall. And in this section 828 01:08:21,279 --> 01:08:29,679 of Shrewsbury, it detracts from the charm of the neighborhood in the 829 01:08:25,759 --> 01:08:33,359 surrounding area. Um the buildings, uh another item, the buildings do not have 830 01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:36,880 a colonial design, although you did mention that. Um that's something that 831 01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:44,159 you were going to um take into consideration. Um but um in keeping with 832 01:08:40,719 --> 01:08:50,239 Shrewsbury uh in the colonial aspect of it uh the design should should 833 01:08:47,199 --> 01:08:57,040 incorporate those types of things. Uh and finally in uh previous comments the 834 01:08:53,440 --> 01:09:02,400 developers have maintained in multiple meetings multiple multiple meetings that 835 01:09:00,239 --> 01:09:06,640 they could not create an internal driveway network on the property to 836 01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:11,839 connect the buildings due to the property's steep grading. So this whole 837 01:09:09,839 --> 01:09:15,759 connection that they have all set up here, 838 01:09:13,359 --> 01:09:20,719 I I think it's a good idea, but they've maintained 839 01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:29,960 until September 1st, they couldn't do it. Now all of a sudden they're able to 840 01:09:24,239 --> 01:09:29,960 do it. Which leads me to the question, 841 01:09:32,159 --> 01:09:41,120 what other things are in the project that they say that they can't do or 842 01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:46,960 won't do? but they can actually be done with a little encouragement. 843 01:09:43,359 --> 01:09:52,560 Um, such as multiple access points from Oak Street as opposed to having a only 844 01:09:50,000 --> 01:10:02,080 one. When I say multiple, we're talking for the um the commercial um the um the 845 01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:06,880 access points for um for the uh business units here and then an access point for 846 01:10:04,719 --> 01:10:11,600 the apartments. So that's two axis points onto Oak Street. So they're 847 01:10:09,440 --> 01:10:18,120 saying that they need those. So my question is, you're able to put all this 848 01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:18,120 road in here. 849 01:10:18,239 --> 01:10:26,400 What's what's the need for having two access points onto Oak Street, which 850 01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:33,760 generates more traffic onto Oak Street? Also, they've maintained on Route Nine 851 01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:38,800 that they can only have a single entry point on coming off of Route 9 into 852 01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:45,679 these shops. >> So, to be to just let's try and keep it 853 01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:50,000 focused. Those the commercial spaces have already been determined that that 854 01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:52,239 hearing is closed. This is a separate project. Okay. 855 01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:54,159 » So, we just need to make sure that that is 856 01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:56,000 » we're >> all right. So, 857 01:10:54,960 --> 01:11:01,520 » keep it. >> Okay. But my point then is for up here, 858 01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:05,840 you've got an access point for Oak Street. Now that you've got everything 859 01:11:03,199 --> 01:11:12,239 in here, why do we need an access point on Oak Street for that for the 860 01:11:07,679 --> 01:11:18,960 apartments? And then finally, you've got um you've mentioned that you need to 861 01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:25,520 have 270 units, residential units to make this as opposed to why why do we 862 01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:30,159 need that? Why can't that be changed as well? Maybe make it something 863 01:11:27,679 --> 01:11:36,080 significantly less, meaning less buildings and less units. So, and with 864 01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:37,120 that, um, I don't have any more comments. 865 01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:39,440 » Thank you. >> Thank you. 866 01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:42,080 » Appreciate that. >> Chris, do you want to 867 01:11:40,239 --> 01:11:47,840 » Thank you. I'd like to clarify on the the representation that the that myself 868 01:11:45,199 --> 01:11:53,280 made the recommendation for a fifth story. So, I think that's a bit of a 869 01:11:50,480 --> 01:11:58,640 stretch. Um the applicant after the meetings frequently will you know me and 870 01:11:56,000 --> 01:12:03,360 Mark will talk about the conversation. Um it's I think know you know it's clear 871 01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:07,360 that this applicant has you know struggled to work with redesigning the 872 01:12:05,440 --> 01:12:11,280 project to meet the the board's recommendations. Um and so we 873 01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:16,400 consistently have conversations with them. It did provide the suggestion 874 01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:20,560 that where we look at the terrace design, the pitched roofs that were 875 01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:25,360 incorporated into this design to reduce the massing of the structure related 876 01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:30,719 relevant to the residential structures nearby. So that was primarily looking at 877 01:12:28,719 --> 01:12:35,199 massing and where that massing can be re reallocated in the site. Um I think it's 878 01:12:33,440 --> 01:12:39,280 clear this board has said multiple times that they'd like to see a reduction in 879 01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:42,800 units. I think a combination of the reduction of units and the reduction of 880 01:12:41,199 --> 01:12:46,480 massing through that architectural design, which I think was responsive, 881 01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:51,280 would be responsive to the board's comments. That was the suggestion that 882 01:12:48,480 --> 01:12:55,199 was made. In terms of a five-story recommendation, they're within their 883 01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:59,520 rights to propose that we don't design these and we're not that prescriptive in 884 01:12:56,880 --> 01:13:03,360 our recommendations. So, >> thank you. 885 01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:07,640 » Is there any other member of the public wishing to speak on this? Yes, sir. 886 01:13:11,440 --> 01:13:21,760 Hello, my name is Jerry Simone. I'm at 330 Maple. Um, 887 01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:25,440 you've done quite a bit on Maple. Uh, I think in the past there was a lot of 888 01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:29,440 addressing some of the issues on Oak. And this is the first meeting I've been 889 01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:33,360 to where you've addressed some of the issues, especially on [clears throat] 890 01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:37,360 the houses and the concerns that we have on Maple. Um, I just have a couple 891 01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:41,280 questions really. I want to don't want to reiterate. I I agree with a lot of 892 01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:45,360 what was just said here about the the size of the buildings and the fact that 893 01:13:43,679 --> 01:13:50,560 there's so many people and so many things stuffed into a small space. 894 01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:54,640 I'm not a builder, so I don't know how I could recommend things, but instead of 895 01:13:52,480 --> 01:13:59,679 270, maybe cut down a little bit on some of the pe on some of the the uh the 896 01:13:57,199 --> 01:14:06,320 units to create a little bit more space. question I have is um the setback used 897 01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:11,239 to be 55 feet on that apartment building off of Maple. What's what's the setback 898 01:14:08,239 --> 01:14:11,239 now? 899 01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:14,640 » It's more >> it's more than 55 ft. I don't have the 900 01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:18,719 exact number. >> It's probably bay of parking. So it's 901 01:14:18,239 --> 01:14:21,520 about 70. >> It's at least 70. 902 01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:24,400 » Did you move the whole building back or just you kept that 155 corner and then 903 01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:26,880 angled it back? >> If you recall it was skewed previously 904 01:14:26,320 --> 01:14:31,280 to the >> Well, when we Yeah. We rotated it. I It 905 01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:33,199 may have moved the corner for further away 906 01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:36,320 » from the street. >> From the street because we want we 907 01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:40,000 wanted we didn't if you recall we didn't have parking there before. We didn't 908 01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:46,560 have the commercial, right? >> So, we had to make it you know a typical 909 01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:52,000 tray of parking is you know eight uh 60 60 feet and it might be a little more in 910 01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:56,239 this town. Um and uh and then there's green space uh when you get to the 911 01:14:54,719 --> 01:15:01,840 street and I don't know if that's five or 10 in Shbury. And then and we have to 912 01:14:59,840 --> 01:15:06,320 deal with some slope there. So it probably has to be a little elongated. 913 01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:11,920 And then um this sidewalk and then you know I typically do wider than normal 914 01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:15,840 sidewalk. Um so there can be cafe spill out that kind of thing onto the 915 01:15:13,360 --> 01:15:20,239 sidewalk. So, it's it's I I'm thinking it's at least at least 70 and it may be 916 01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:23,679 more. >> Okay. Uh how many retail spaces will 917 01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:27,040 will there be in that building? >> Try to keep this not conversational. 918 01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:29,280 Just come through the chair, please. >> Sorry. 919 01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:33,040 » Say that again. I'm sorry. >> We just can't have this be 920 01:15:31,040 --> 01:15:36,880 conversational. We need to just have any questions directed. 921 01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:40,960 » The question that I would have is how many retail spaces there would be there. 922 01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:45,520 I don't know if they could answer that now or whether 923 01:15:44,159 --> 01:15:47,040 That's something that they will answer later. Do 924 01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:48,480 » you want me to Yeah, sure. Go ahead. >> Respond through the board. 925 01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:53,520 » Go ahead. >> Um I I don't know. It It depends on who 926 01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:58,080 the tenants are because typically in that kind of building, you would build 927 01:15:55,920 --> 01:16:02,000 the building and you do the storefronts, but you might not demise the units 928 01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:07,120 because you have tenants that come to you and they say, "I want 800 square 929 01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:11,679 feet. I want,200 square feet. I want 1600 square feet." And if you you you've 930 01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:14,960 already demised it, then you can't accommodate this what you wind up with 931 01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:19,199 people you can't accommodate. >> Okay. You mentioned uh they mentioned 932 01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:23,600 too about there' be a sign where residents go one way and then the retail 933 01:16:21,199 --> 01:16:28,400 goes another way. Is that for parking purposes or would anybody be able to 934 01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:31,520 park residents and retail in the front? So retail would then be fighting for a 935 01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:34,640 space or the residents will be fighting for a space 936 01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:41,120 » if I can through the board. Mhm. >> Um uh if I may, um the residential entry 937 01:16:38,159 --> 01:16:45,120 is in the back. So it's unlikely if you had all the parking in the back for the 938 01:16:42,719 --> 01:16:51,920 residential that you'd be parking in the front. Um and again, if you were 939 01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:55,120 going to the commercial spaces, you wouldn't be parking in the back because 940 01:16:53,440 --> 01:16:59,040 you'd have to walk around the entire building. 941 01:16:56,640 --> 01:17:04,080 So it's the, you know, and that's that's why it's allocated and designed as it 942 01:17:01,199 --> 01:17:10,560 is. The parking for the different uses are essentially separated and they're in 943 01:17:07,440 --> 01:17:14,880 closest proximity to those uses. >> Okay. And and the final thing that I 944 01:17:12,480 --> 01:17:20,960 have is um if you look at the picture up there um and you previously showed a 945 01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:26,159 picture of oak and the fact that there's a quite a bit of buffer, you can't even 946 01:17:23,280 --> 01:17:32,640 see through the trees. last meeting you mentioned there's a big um you extended 947 01:17:28,719 --> 01:17:37,040 a fence up higher and uh I think even brought the buildings down low or 948 01:17:34,719 --> 01:17:42,080 whatever. So there's been quite a bit as far as buffers go along Oak. As I look 949 01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:45,600 at this and look at all the buffers to the right, to the left behind all the 950 01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:50,560 buildings, it looks like in front of that building 951 01:17:47,679 --> 01:17:55,440 on Maple, there's only like five five trees. And if you look behind the 952 01:17:53,440 --> 01:18:00,640 building, there's about 90 hundred and some odd trees. So it looks like buffers 953 01:17:57,920 --> 01:18:06,320 have been put between a lot of things here. But that tall building that's now 954 01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:10,400 only 70 ft from Maple, there doesn't look like there's much of a buffer 955 01:18:07,679 --> 01:18:14,800 between that building and Maple. So that's my concern there because the 956 01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:18,640 people in Maple are still going to be seeing, you know, what's upwards to a 957 01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:23,679 three, three and a half, 4 foot building with really no buffers there. very 958 01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:28,080 little buffer yet quite a >> um quite a large amount of buffers is 959 01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:31,120 around some of the other areas. So I would just ask to consider something 960 01:18:29,679 --> 01:18:37,080 like that and maybe buffering a little bit better uh that building to Maple. 961 01:18:33,920 --> 01:18:37,080 » Thank you. 962 01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:41,800 » Yes. 963 01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:52,560 » Ano 102 Stony Hill Road. Uh I have only two major concern about this project 964 01:18:49,440 --> 01:18:57,120 because the number the footprint of the uh those buildings are coming 270 units 965 01:18:54,719 --> 01:19:02,719 is pretty high for that area. There are two school system there and when people 966 01:19:00,239 --> 01:19:08,719 are coming and moving coming and going out from those premises that can affect 967 01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:14,640 the daily life of the residents like the school buses and same time who is coming 968 01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:18,560 and leaving from those areas. The second thing I want to point about the 969 01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:22,719 infrastructure town is infrastructure is reaching on the capacity of whatever we 970 01:19:20,480 --> 01:19:26,960 have. Most of the cases that area is always flooded when we have the rain 971 01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:31,840 that area always flooded. There are so many complaint already residents are 972 01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:39,199 doing. So residents has the concern about this project the size the 270 is 973 01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:45,199 really big and we don't have capacity or like the money also to deal with that. 974 01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:50,239 So definitely uh they have to come with the smaller footprint and then town can 975 01:19:47,920 --> 01:19:55,480 work on that. Thank you. >> Thank you. 976 01:19:52,480 --> 01:19:55,480 » Yes, 977 01:19:57,679 --> 01:20:06,400 » dating gone at 43 Leblanc Road. Uh thank you guys very much for the whole new 978 01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:10,800 revised project. What a game changer. um still not on board for the 270 979 01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:16,239 apartments as I'm sure you're well aware, but um if you guys could scale it 980 01:20:13,840 --> 01:20:23,040 down, this is such a different project from 2014, I believe. Um 981 01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:29,280 it's uh as we know, this project has been on 982 01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:33,040 board since it's been 12 years now. Uh something's going to be built there. 983 01:20:31,120 --> 01:20:38,159 We need to work on getting the best project that we can. I think we're 984 01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:43,760 really moving towards that. Uh my reason for being here right now is I had sent a 985 01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:49,440 letter I believe on July 28th. I had asked today Louise is out if it had made 986 01:20:46,719 --> 01:20:55,600 it into the record. I had sent some pictures. I believe Mr. Chararma was 987 01:20:52,640 --> 01:21:01,840 just referring to that the flooding down by in front of the plaza. Um it was 988 01:20:59,120 --> 01:21:07,520 addressed back in 2020 when the plaza renovate renovations were 989 01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:12,880 being done. Um there's significant flooding that happens down at the bottom 990 01:21:09,360 --> 01:21:19,920 of the plaza. It is not Mr. Adams responsibility to handle all of the 991 01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:27,280 flooding that happens right there. It's I believe that the drains down there 992 01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:31,760 cannot handle the water from the hill. It's just there's too much water that's 993 01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:37,280 ending up in that drain. I think it's a mass DOT problem. What I'm hoping is 994 01:21:34,239 --> 01:21:44,159 that more water does not enter that drain system. So my question through the 995 01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:51,120 chair is what is the plan for the water on site so that more water does not come 996 01:21:47,120 --> 01:21:58,320 down Maple A because the water I can I ask if you did receive the pictures that 997 01:21:53,199 --> 01:22:06,080 I sent from 2020 and also July 28th of this year because in one week uh the 998 01:22:02,639 --> 01:22:10,719 last week in July we had two storms that that whole area was completely 999 01:22:08,159 --> 01:22:17,440 completely flooded. And again, it's it's the whole hill that just rushes right 1000 01:22:13,360 --> 01:22:21,520 down. And I believe he had to do some not extra drainage, but when he was 1001 01:22:19,440 --> 01:22:26,239 working on the plaza, something had to be done. But if all the water is coming 1002 01:22:23,679 --> 01:22:31,920 into that exact drain, there's nothing he can really do. But if the drainage on 1003 01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:35,440 site can have some recharge, stay on the site, then hopefully something can be 1004 01:22:34,239 --> 01:22:41,440 done. >> So, thank you. Thank you, Tim. I don't 1005 01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:48,880 know if that kind of spot, but >> um so the the problems that were 1006 01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:55,679 described are not necessarily from this site. Um the vast majority of 1007 01:22:53,120 --> 01:23:00,560 drainage for this site actually flows to the wetlands that are to the southwest. 1008 01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:05,360 Um we are um I've gone through the peer 1009 01:23:03,760 --> 01:23:09,520 review and we're this the peer review for this site is obviously active given 1010 01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:14,800 that we're making the changes here. But um we've submitted plans and storm water 1011 01:23:12,719 --> 01:23:19,040 reports that show that you know with the recharge that we can do on site through 1012 01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:23,520 subsurface systems and with detention systems, we'll be throttling back the 1013 01:23:20,639 --> 01:23:29,199 flows to Maple A and other design points around the area. So this project will 1014 01:23:26,480 --> 01:23:33,760 reduce the peak flows of storm water going to those pipes which is not very 1015 01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:37,360 significant from a area that actually goes there today. So we'll reduce that 1016 01:23:35,360 --> 01:23:40,480 area, reduce the flows. The majority of the site actually goes to a different 1017 01:23:38,480 --> 01:23:45,920 wetland system that actually discharges right across Route 9 going uh south. So 1018 01:23:44,400 --> 01:23:52,080 I understand that there's an issue at that part of Route 9 in Maple. It's not 1019 01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:57,679 necessarily this project that's going to solve that particular issue with the 1020 01:23:55,440 --> 01:23:59,120 outside drain system. We we will obviously 1021 01:23:58,159 --> 01:24:03,199 » it won't make it worse. >> It will not make it worse. It would it 1022 01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:06,960 would make it slightly better. probably imperceptible given the fact it's a 1023 01:24:04,800 --> 01:24:09,760 large area is going there but it would not make it any worse. 1024 01:24:08,400 --> 01:24:14,080 » Okay, thank you. >> Um so I just I want I went back to that 1025 01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:19,120 email chain just to make sure um just adding additional context. So um Keith I 1026 01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:22,880 think did reply. Um so DPW was also aware of that issue as it relates to 1027 01:24:20,719 --> 01:24:27,120 existing conditions and anything in mass or town jurisdiction and they are 1028 01:24:25,280 --> 01:24:30,800 working on that. I will reach out and get a followup as well um and provide 1029 01:24:29,120 --> 01:24:33,520 that to the board. this post development runoff can't be any more than Yeah, 1030 01:24:32,639 --> 01:24:38,480 » correct. But in terms of >> Graves is going to verify that that. So 1031 01:24:36,159 --> 01:24:40,719 » yeah, in terms of uh having it addressed as well, I'll I'll give the board that 1032 01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:45,280 update as well. >> Okay. Thank you. Any other members of 1033 01:24:43,440 --> 01:24:50,920 the public wishing to speak on this item this evening? Yes, sir. Please come up. 1034 01:24:47,440 --> 01:24:50,920 State your name. 1035 01:24:54,880 --> 01:25:02,880 » Hi, Paul Lindseay, 86 Oak Street. I want to just reiterate a few things that I do 1036 01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:07,760 appreciate the additional um access to the four units to take to ease up the 1037 01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:14,080 traffic on Oak Street. Hopefully that will work. Um I'd also like the fact 1038 01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:19,440 that the that emergency access is no longer there. So that'll help preserve 1039 01:25:15,679 --> 01:25:24,560 the neighborhood. Um and I um also believe we should keep the height of the 1040 01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:29,719 buildings lower and reduce the count of residential units. Thank you. Thank you. 1041 01:25:29,920 --> 01:25:36,080 » Anyone else from the public on this this evening? 1042 01:25:33,120 --> 01:25:39,440 » Question. Can this be found online? Can we get that? 1043 01:25:37,280 --> 01:25:43,880 » Yes. Yes. This is all available on the >> It is posted online. Yes. 1044 01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:50,560 » All right. Any other questions of of the board? 1045 01:25:48,159 --> 01:25:55,120 I mean, at this point, obviously, having just received this, I think that there's 1046 01:25:52,480 --> 01:25:57,440 some we need to chew on this a bit. >> Sure. Um, 1047 01:25:56,480 --> 01:25:59,120 » gonna remove >> I'm sorry. 1048 01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:04,480 » Graves is going to review. >> Yes, we there would have to be a peer 1049 01:26:01,199 --> 01:26:07,840 review done on this. Um, so I think that at at this point in time, we're going to 1050 01:26:06,159 --> 01:26:10,560 look at continuing this hearing this evening. 1051 01:26:08,239 --> 01:26:14,000 » But if I may, before we continue, just obviously there'll be additional review 1052 01:26:12,080 --> 01:26:17,360 and feedback at the next meeting and certainly there might be some additional 1053 01:26:15,360 --> 01:26:21,040 revisions as part of Graves. I'm just looking to get some initial feedback 1054 01:26:19,199 --> 01:26:25,920 from from the board recognizing that we did do some highlevel um explanation. I 1055 01:26:24,480 --> 01:26:30,239 heard from the vice chair that he did not feel like the site was integrated. 1056 01:26:28,400 --> 01:26:33,360 Um just if we could just get some feedback from from the board members in 1057 01:26:32,239 --> 01:26:37,440 real time. I think that would be helpful for us to understand kind of where the 1058 01:26:34,880 --> 01:26:40,320 board is. Um certainly we've heard from from the board members and the public 1059 01:26:38,719 --> 01:26:43,520 that reduction in the number of units and potentially the height of the 1060 01:26:41,440 --> 01:26:46,080 buildings. But um if we could just get any additional feedback that you guys 1061 01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:49,600 have at this time that would be greatly appreciated just for the purpose of the 1062 01:26:47,199 --> 01:26:55,520 development team. I do think the point of of finding out how long that roadway 1063 01:26:52,239 --> 01:26:58,960 is um is is an important piece. >> It's about 1500 feet. I just did some 1064 01:26:57,360 --> 01:27:02,400 math on my phone >> from the point that you had 1065 01:27:00,239 --> 01:27:06,159 » for the longest the longest >> from from basically from the culde-sac 1066 01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:09,280 up to uh >> the stairwell 1067 01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:15,120 » uh further actually I was going to the the front of building uh four. So, it's 1068 01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:19,679 probably another it's a little shorter if you're going to the stairwell 1069 01:27:16,480 --> 01:27:27,360 » and and I think if I may um uh Mr. Rotois, I think you asked to about going 1070 01:27:22,400 --> 01:27:35,120 to the um the roundabout on the far side of um of uh what's what we're calling 1071 01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:41,120 the supermarket. And um really you can go you're going to get to the um you 1072 01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:46,080 know you get you come to a center point if you come down that you take a right 1073 01:27:43,199 --> 01:27:49,760 on that road as you're coming down >> and beyond that if I can just elaborate 1074 01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:55,120 » right on the road by your building on maple and cut through that's shorter 1075 01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:59,360 » around and cut through you're at that building and you know we have you know 1076 01:27:57,040 --> 01:28:03,440 those are all like you know >> only a few steps so that way you come 1077 01:28:01,440 --> 01:28:08,239 down you know I was sort of thinking of it. That was sort of a later ad because 1078 01:28:06,239 --> 01:28:12,960 I was just trying to walk around it in my head. I'm riding around on my bike. 1079 01:28:10,320 --> 01:28:17,040 I'm I'm run running all these scenarios through my head. And I just said, "Well, 1080 01:28:15,199 --> 01:28:22,239 you know, good chance there'll be a coffee shop in that building. And if I'm 1081 01:28:19,840 --> 01:28:26,560 going to come down, I'll come down to >> which one? The supermarket building?" 1082 01:28:24,560 --> 01:28:28,000 » No, no. Well, next the the building three. 1083 01:28:27,120 --> 01:28:31,520 » Building three. >> You know, or or whatever you want to 1084 01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:35,360 grab. You just go down and that's like one one. Not I don't even know if that's 1085 01:28:33,040 --> 01:28:39,280 a full flight of stairs, but if you go down there and then you come out and 1086 01:28:36,880 --> 01:28:44,960 you're between you're sort of in the middle of all the small retail. So 1087 01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:48,719 there's a stairwell here, staircase in the middle. You can see my cursor 1088 01:28:46,880 --> 01:28:52,880 » that connects the the four buildings up above 1089 01:28:50,239 --> 01:28:56,880 and then you there's crosswalks and then there's another there's a over there's a 1090 01:28:55,040 --> 01:29:00,000 overlook area with the trees and then there's another stairwell here that's 1091 01:28:58,880 --> 01:29:05,920 going up from the from the four buildings. But you certainly would have 1092 01:29:02,239 --> 01:29:10,159 the 44 units in building three that would just easily access the rest of the 1093 01:29:08,480 --> 01:29:16,639 commercial units and same with the the nine units proposed above building two. 1094 01:29:12,960 --> 01:29:20,480 So while certainly there there is a longer journey for an accessible walk 1095 01:29:18,639 --> 01:29:23,920 down the walkways and we've talked about previously about granting an easement or 1096 01:29:22,400 --> 01:29:28,800 working [snorts] with the town to ensure recreational um access. Um that that's 1097 01:29:27,280 --> 01:29:32,719 certainly longer. There's certainly a more expedient way to get to the 1098 01:29:30,320 --> 01:29:38,880 different commercial uses than having to go all the way to the cold sack. 1099 01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:42,880 » And certainly uh one of the um items that the traffic engineer mentioned to 1100 01:29:40,400 --> 01:29:47,120 us is there's opportunities now for to extent that there's uh vehicular traffic 1101 01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:50,000 um different uses within the development. So there's actually 1102 01:29:48,239 --> 01:29:52,639 multiple trips. So someone might want to get a coffee and then might need to go 1103 01:29:51,440 --> 01:29:56,560 to the grocery store similar to what you see at Lakeway Commons. So that actually 1104 01:29:55,040 --> 01:30:01,120 reduced it reduced the number of anticipated trips because they're 1105 01:29:58,239 --> 01:30:04,159 anticipating folks parking going to multiple establishments. So some could 1106 01:30:02,480 --> 01:30:08,000 easily park go to the grocery store and then walk over to lot one and visit the 1107 01:30:06,400 --> 01:30:10,320 three commercial uses on that particular pad. 1108 01:30:08,400 --> 01:30:16,239 » Yeah. Traffic indicated the biggest change in this plan is that you're you 1109 01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:20,719 know you have all the the connectivity inside 1110 01:30:18,000 --> 01:30:25,280 so inside the inside the project. So you once you come off the road, you know, 1111 01:30:22,880 --> 01:30:30,560 it's an easy drive. Either walk up if you're above or you drive around or 1112 01:30:28,159 --> 01:30:35,120 drive around and up, but everything's on on site 1113 01:30:32,400 --> 01:30:39,679 just like it is at Lakeway and just like it is at Edgeir. You know, Edgeir, 1114 01:30:37,440 --> 01:30:43,360 you've got like half the units are way behind the supermarket. So you're going 1115 01:30:41,520 --> 01:30:48,880 to the back of the supermarket behind it. Um, and the other ones are off to 1116 01:30:46,719 --> 01:30:54,080 the left. And if you look at those distances, they're really, you know, we 1117 01:30:50,960 --> 01:30:59,520 ran the distances before initially um for um Lakeway and you know, some of 1118 01:30:57,440 --> 01:31:05,040 those distances are surprisingly, you know, they're longer than you think. 1119 01:31:01,600 --> 01:31:09,679 » The town houses are well um um you get to some of the the buildings that are 1120 01:31:06,880 --> 01:31:13,520 further away and we're certainly closer. Some of these units are closer than any 1121 01:31:11,760 --> 01:31:17,760 of those certainly are because they're they're right on top of them. 1122 01:31:15,120 --> 01:31:24,000 » Right. So I mean I I this is this to me is more of a village with with different 1123 01:31:21,120 --> 01:31:28,159 kind of um residential product that would be offered. 1124 01:31:26,560 --> 01:31:31,480 » Thank you. >> Yes sir. 1125 01:31:38,560 --> 01:31:47,199 » Richard Edwards 80 Oak Street. Um, one of the things I forgot to uh mention, 1126 01:31:43,440 --> 01:31:52,960 um, and that is with the school that's right up the street, we see kids 1127 01:31:50,000 --> 01:31:58,800 nowadays on their motor, um, electric scooters, 1128 01:31:54,639 --> 01:32:04,719 skateboards, those types of things. So my concern or my question is 1129 01:32:02,400 --> 01:32:11,520 since you're going to be looking to put in some type of a road driveway 1130 01:32:09,440 --> 01:32:18,159 on site and you mentioned that it's going to be recreational purposes. 1131 01:32:15,199 --> 01:32:25,600 Is there going to be a concern that kids because of the grade are going to be 1132 01:32:21,600 --> 01:32:34,560 flying down there and potentially um um getting hurt running into cars. um 1133 01:32:31,679 --> 01:32:42,560 to the point that at some point down the road you're like for liability purposes 1134 01:32:38,400 --> 01:32:51,440 we can't allow people outside of the um outside of the development 1135 01:32:45,120 --> 01:32:55,280 to um traverse the development. So um I don't know if anyone's even brought that 1136 01:32:52,880 --> 01:33:00,960 concern up. Um some people may even shrug their shoulders at it. I don't 1137 01:32:57,199 --> 01:33:06,080 know. But anyways, um it it is a potential because I see them flying down 1138 01:33:03,199 --> 01:33:12,320 Oak Street now and then they just they zip right down the middle of the road. 1139 01:33:08,400 --> 01:33:20,314 Um, and uh, uh, there's a potential um, for um, I mean I'm sure if I was younger 1140 01:33:18,000 --> 01:33:24,880 and I was on a skateboard or electric [laughter] that would be pretty enticing 1141 01:33:22,639 --> 01:33:27,840 to go flying down that road even though it's only what a 2% grade 1142 01:33:27,120 --> 01:33:34,560 » four and a half >> four and a half% grade. Um, so want to 1143 01:33:32,080 --> 01:33:39,600 bring that issue up. Um, >> I don't think we can force developers to 1144 01:33:36,639 --> 01:33:42,000 bond off third party stupidity. So, >> I'm sorry, what did you say? 1145 01:33:40,639 --> 01:33:45,520 » I said I don't think we can force developers to bond off third party 1146 01:33:44,239 --> 01:33:48,080 stupidity. >> Kids are going to do that stuff. 1147 01:33:47,280 --> 01:33:52,560 » Okay. >> Well, anyways, I wanted to bring it up 1148 01:33:50,400 --> 01:33:57,120 because uh sometimes these things aren't brought up and then someone says, "Boy, 1149 01:33:55,280 --> 01:34:01,440 how come nobody ever thought of that? How come there wasn't a concern? Do we 1150 01:33:59,120 --> 01:34:06,480 need to put speed bumps in there?" I don't know the answer to that, 1151 01:34:03,760 --> 01:34:10,159 » but uh um >> maybe maybe that's the point, but then 1152 01:34:08,080 --> 01:34:13,120 maybe with speed bumps that would be a ramp 1153 01:34:11,199 --> 01:34:14,960 » and the kids would go flying. So, who knows, right? 1154 01:34:13,920 --> 01:34:17,199 » No, it's true. >> Thank you. 1155 01:34:15,520 --> 01:34:21,120 » Thank you. Appreciate that. >> So, I'm going to add into that a little 1156 01:34:19,920 --> 01:34:24,960 bit. So, that is something that actually has been brought up to our office 1157 01:34:22,480 --> 01:34:29,760 conversationally from residents um about a concern of the electrified bikes um 1158 01:34:27,920 --> 01:34:34,239 and what can be done about it. I think to to Mr. Rake because his point it's 1159 01:34:32,239 --> 01:34:38,800 not any one particular project. I think it's a larger concern. Um I particularly 1160 01:34:36,960 --> 01:34:43,520 have concern you know I think one of the ways to address it is to encourage bike 1161 01:34:41,040 --> 01:34:46,880 lanes uh throughout the community. But the concern there being that these if 1162 01:34:45,520 --> 01:34:50,480 you've seen them travel faster than bikes as well. So I think it's going to 1163 01:34:48,719 --> 01:34:54,719 change the landscape of a lot of that infrastructure. So in some ways it's new 1164 01:34:53,199 --> 01:34:59,040 in some ways it's not. I think there's a lot of, you know, there's bylaws related 1165 01:34:56,639 --> 01:35:01,920 to um scooting in the public right of way that are the general bylaws and 1166 01:35:00,719 --> 01:35:05,360 things like that if you want to dig through those. Um but it's something 1167 01:35:03,520 --> 01:35:09,440 that we're aware of. Uh and as we look at, you know, making suggestions or 1168 01:35:07,600 --> 01:35:12,560 recommendations or policy amendments, it's something that we we are aware of 1169 01:35:11,040 --> 01:35:16,000 as a concern that's growing with the public. So, 1170 01:35:13,280 --> 01:35:21,120 » appreciate that. Thank you. Thank you. >> All right. So, if there's nothing else 1171 01:35:18,880 --> 01:35:23,040 um from the project proponents this evening, I think we 1172 01:35:22,000 --> 01:35:26,800 » just interrupt there's any other comments. I would just to answer your 1173 01:35:25,120 --> 01:35:30,800 question Mark I would say you know the mass of the project um five stories is 1174 01:35:29,520 --> 01:35:35,280 an issue >> and any you know anything to promote 1175 01:35:32,960 --> 01:35:39,120 pedestrian and bicycle traffic when I hear like the road's great because you 1176 01:35:37,440 --> 01:35:41,920 can drive down >> that's 1177 01:35:40,239 --> 01:35:43,520 » not the intent of the you know this district. So 1178 01:35:42,800 --> 01:35:46,000 » certainly >> there's a sidewalk. 1179 01:35:44,560 --> 01:35:50,480 » There's a sidewalk. I understand. Yeah. Yeah. So the hope is that folks aren't 1180 01:35:48,159 --> 01:35:55,280 driving, right? The the hope is that folks are taking alternative means of 1181 01:35:52,239 --> 01:35:58,960 transportation. Um but previously we came back to the board with a very 1182 01:35:57,120 --> 01:36:03,600 robust network for pedestrian circulation and we were told we don't 1183 01:36:01,920 --> 01:36:09,920 see you know how folks are going to be able to drive to to the four four 1184 01:36:05,600 --> 01:36:12,480 buildings. So this is a multi-purpose access way if you will right where you 1185 01:36:11,840 --> 01:36:16,159 have vehicles >> understood 1186 01:36:13,120 --> 01:36:20,080 » and and and pedestrian access. So um and beyond that we've taken steps and these 1187 01:36:18,960 --> 01:36:23,120 are in the slides related to the criteria but I won't I won't I won't 1188 01:36:21,751 --> 01:36:29,280 [laughter] I won't do that to you guys this hour. Um but certainly um efforts 1189 01:36:26,800 --> 01:36:35,040 have been made to allow for improved pedestrian circulation, whether it be 1190 01:36:31,520 --> 01:36:39,600 the the tip down driveways, the um >> if I may um the difference the big 1191 01:36:37,920 --> 01:36:43,360 difference in pedestrian connection for the the long road here between the old 1192 01:36:41,440 --> 01:36:48,639 plan and this plan is that this eliminates the need for ramps and 1193 01:36:45,280 --> 01:36:53,600 landings and handrails. This is purely a accessible sidewalk at a slope that is 1194 01:36:51,040 --> 01:36:56,880 very reasonable for anyone. The ADA and we have decided is the right slope. So, 1195 01:36:55,440 --> 01:37:01,280 it is a sidewalk that anyone can navigate up and down. 1196 01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:04,800 » And we're also installing bicycle parking throughout the site which will 1197 01:37:02,800 --> 01:37:08,320 hopefully encourage folks. I don't know what's happening with these electric 1198 01:37:06,159 --> 01:37:11,280 bicycles. Sounds like it's a problem. Uh but maybe they'll park them and they'll 1199 01:37:09,920 --> 01:37:14,719 go have a cup of coffee instead of driving, you know, over people on the 1200 01:37:12,719 --> 01:37:19,760 sidewalk. I don't know. [snorts] So, um, but so just to kind of take away 1201 01:37:17,760 --> 01:37:24,719 from what we're hearing from the board, reduction of the massing, it sounds like 1202 01:37:21,840 --> 01:37:29,600 four stories might be acceptable, but five stories is is not acceptable. Um, 1203 01:37:27,360 --> 01:37:33,360 and a reduction in the number of units. Um, and if there's any further feedback 1204 01:37:31,360 --> 01:37:37,360 regarding the the perception of integration, that that would be helpful. 1205 01:37:35,119 --> 01:37:41,679 » Just just just to keep in mind, I know Chris had put together a slide. Did we 1206 01:37:40,239 --> 01:37:44,960 ever make that slide? Did we ever present that slide? I think it might 1207 01:37:43,360 --> 01:37:49,440 have at the other hearing. >> I pulled it up. I don't I can 1208 01:37:46,400 --> 01:37:56,400 » It might have been at the hearing on 525 Hartford Turnpike, which I could not 1209 01:37:51,280 --> 01:38:00,639 participate in. Um about the >> the the large scale projects that we 1210 01:37:58,400 --> 01:38:08,080 have approved, including Lakeway Commons and Edge Mir Crossing. Uh the unit count 1211 01:38:03,840 --> 01:38:16,000 to the square footage of retail space. Um, you know, for instance, at uh 1212 01:38:13,600 --> 01:38:21,679 at Lakeway, it's something like 90,000 square feet of 1213 01:38:18,719 --> 01:38:27,440 pretty good pretty nice retail um for 250 units. Um, Edgemere 1214 01:38:25,920 --> 01:38:31,440 » 264 >> 26 I think it's 250 even. 1215 01:38:29,119 --> 01:38:35,840 » 250 plus the 16 town houses. >> 16 town houses. Yeah. All right. 1216 01:38:32,960 --> 01:38:42,639 » Yeah. Um and at uh 1217 01:38:40,159 --> 01:38:48,320 Edgemeir it's 250 plus about 120,000 square feet of 1218 01:38:45,760 --> 01:38:52,320 retail. Granted Market Basket is the lion share of that. 1219 01:38:50,080 --> 01:38:55,360 » Um it's kind of a different demographic over there. Um 1220 01:38:53,840 --> 01:38:58,560 » but >> and the lakeway also prohibits large box 1221 01:38:58,239 --> 01:39:03,600 right >> stores right. So, it's kind of finding 1222 01:39:00,880 --> 01:39:06,400 that happy balance between the right mix of commercial with those residential 1223 01:39:05,600 --> 01:39:10,000 units. >> So, we certainly understand that. Um, 1224 01:39:08,639 --> 01:39:13,199 » doesn't mean you have to max out the number of units. 1225 01:39:10,880 --> 01:39:18,960 » No, no. I And we we hear that and I think um this dialogue is really helpful 1226 01:39:16,880 --> 01:39:22,239 for us to take that direction. Um because, as I said at the beginning of 1227 01:39:20,159 --> 01:39:26,800 the hearing, we've done a lot to really address these board comments. We want to 1228 01:39:24,400 --> 01:39:30,080 create a project that everyone feels okay, we got there, right? and that this 1229 01:39:28,880 --> 01:39:35,440 is something that will work for the community. Um and so um this this 1230 01:39:33,360 --> 01:39:41,360 feedback is really helpful for us. So um we'll continue to um interface with 1231 01:39:38,320 --> 01:39:46,560 staff. Um we look forward to additional comments from the board and Graves the 1232 01:39:43,360 --> 01:39:48,800 next meeting. Um and we'll >> Do you have anything else you want to 1233 01:39:47,600 --> 01:39:54,880 ask? >> Um only that the the financing speech 1234 01:39:53,199 --> 01:39:57,040 that you got from the guy from Go Venture. 1235 01:39:55,520 --> 01:40:00,800 » I was out in the hallway. Oh, >> I I heard it. 1236 01:39:58,000 --> 01:40:05,679 » Um um um is you know that's it's valid for any project. So uh you know I'm not 1237 01:40:03,440 --> 01:40:09,600 going to repeat it because he he he did a sort of a technical job of it. 1238 01:40:08,400 --> 01:40:11,920 » Wasn't there but I would have said there's two kinds of problems. 1239 01:40:11,600 --> 01:40:15,600 » But >> that's not my problem. I I got I got to 1240 01:40:14,400 --> 01:40:20,320 approve a project. >> You know I hear I just just saying I'm 1241 01:40:18,400 --> 01:40:24,639 not I'm not you know I've already said I would do the light if needed to be done 1242 01:40:23,199 --> 01:40:28,960 and and all that. So >> I'm not beating you up. And you know, 1243 01:40:26,800 --> 01:40:33,920 we're we're willing to, you know, take a look at, you know, if you want the fifth 1244 01:40:31,520 --> 01:40:37,199 floor taken off that, you know, maybe there was some misunderstanding. I'm not 1245 01:40:35,679 --> 01:40:40,960 I wasn't trying to throw anyone under the bus, but you know, that's what 1246 01:40:39,119 --> 01:40:46,719 that's what I was heard. That's what I heard through through uh Mr. Mr. Bor. 1247 01:40:44,560 --> 01:40:53,840 » Clearly, my game didn't work. So, >> so it's [laughter] him. If it's not him, 1248 01:40:48,560 --> 01:40:57,840 it was him. But I loves it. [laughter] But I I I wouldn't have come up with 1249 01:40:56,239 --> 01:41:00,880 that on my own. I was like, really? Okay. Well, 1250 01:40:59,280 --> 01:41:04,000 » that's an interesting one. And I thought, well, because it's sort of in 1251 01:41:02,080 --> 01:41:09,360 the middle of the project that that's why it would have been said. So, uh um 1252 01:41:06,719 --> 01:41:14,480 um if that was the not the intent or someone misheard it and [snorts] relay 1253 01:41:11,600 --> 01:41:18,560 it to me, um whatever the case may be, I I mean, I I don't want to have any, you 1254 01:41:16,080 --> 01:41:23,520 know, bad feelings about it. Um, I did it because I thought that was that was 1255 01:41:21,119 --> 01:41:26,000 that was indicated that that was something to do. 1256 01:41:24,560 --> 01:41:29,040 » We appreciate your efforts. >> Yeah. 1257 01:41:26,800 --> 01:41:32,880 » So, no one gets into any trouble or misconrs any other statements. I should 1258 01:41:32,080 --> 01:41:37,520 continue this. >> Yes. So, I'd like to 1259 01:41:35,360 --> 01:41:45,280 » I'd move that we continue the public hearing on the uh 335 Maple Avenue site 1260 01:41:42,560 --> 01:41:48,880 plan approval and special permit until Thursday, October 1st at 7 p.m. 1261 01:41:48,239 --> 01:41:52,960 » Second. >> All those in favor? 1262 01:41:50,000 --> 01:41:58,960 » I opposed. Eyes have it. >> Okay. Thank you very much for your time 1263 01:41:54,719 --> 01:42:04,719 and welcome to the to the new member. >> See how much fun it is. 1264 01:42:02,800 --> 01:42:08,639 All right, next item on the agenda. We have a couple of items under new 1265 01:42:06,639 --> 01:42:13,520 business this evening. One is to discuss and vote on updating the fee inlue 1266 01:42:11,199 --> 01:42:19,440 figures. >> Uh thank you. Yeah, so we um the board 1267 01:42:16,639 --> 01:42:23,679 has had this item for a few uh for a few months. Um I did meet with uh Judy 1268 01:42:22,159 --> 01:42:29,280 Barrett who had originally done these figures for us um to review. Um the 1269 01:42:26,800 --> 01:42:33,840 figures as presented were in order. um we kind of got into the technical 1270 01:42:30,800 --> 01:42:37,920 background of how they're calculated um and as it relates to the policy. So, it 1271 01:42:35,920 --> 01:42:43,119 was a very productive conversation, but the the figures that's presented are 1272 01:42:39,600 --> 01:42:48,880 correct um operationally just for the board's um knowledge. Uh you may already 1273 01:42:46,320 --> 01:42:53,520 be aware um those are the the general numbers that are provided to give a a 1274 01:42:50,960 --> 01:42:59,760 developer who's contemplating that a ballpark figure. um that um technical 1275 01:42:57,360 --> 01:43:03,360 calculation that we do on the back end um would be done for each project, but 1276 01:43:01,679 --> 01:43:07,760 this just gives them a ballpark so they don't have to call and they can do some 1277 01:43:05,360 --> 01:43:12,320 of that research on their own. Um again, I I do recognize that the board has 1278 01:43:09,600 --> 01:43:17,600 moved away from Fee and Lou as a as an option. Um when questioned on it, we do 1279 01:43:15,280 --> 01:43:20,880 provide that uh information to developers that the board is moving away 1280 01:43:19,119 --> 01:43:24,159 from that, but they are entitled to ask for that special permit. 1281 01:43:22,080 --> 01:43:31,480 » Sure. Understood. Okay. Is there any um discussion on on 1282 01:43:27,760 --> 01:43:31,480 these updated figures? 1283 01:43:31,840 --> 01:43:40,400 » We have to approve this. >> Then I'd move that we approve the 1284 01:43:37,920 --> 01:43:43,679 figures for the fee and L as written. >> Is there a second? 1285 01:43:42,960 --> 01:43:49,920 » Second. >> All those in favor? I 1286 01:43:45,920 --> 01:43:55,440 » opposed. Eyes have it. Thank you. Uh, next item is discuss and vote on the 1287 01:43:52,480 --> 01:44:00,000 bond issuance for 193 Hartford Turnpike. >> I got to recuse myself. So is Tim. 1288 01:43:57,920 --> 01:44:06,239 » I think we can stay here. >> U, thank you. So um on this one um we 1289 01:44:02,480 --> 01:44:12,320 did hold it um we were looking for um some clarification on how this uh bond 1290 01:44:09,920 --> 01:44:18,480 could be issued in relation to uh the pending appeal. Um I did uh just this 1291 01:44:15,840 --> 01:44:22,960 afternoon um get a letter from the applicant as well as conferred with 1292 01:44:20,000 --> 01:44:29,520 council um that we are okay uh to issue the bond. They're entitled to that uh 1293 01:44:25,119 --> 01:44:34,000 under 4A with the um um with the approvals that are granted. Um that 1294 01:44:31,600 --> 01:44:38,719 said, I I did also speak with councils on um on all parties. Um I do my 1295 01:44:36,880 --> 01:44:43,119 understanding is that uh an agreement to settle that suit is um probably due 1296 01:44:41,440 --> 01:44:47,760 within the next couple of weeks. So, they're just putting the final touches. 1297 01:44:44,719 --> 01:44:51,040 So, um, looking forward to seeing that as well. Um, and we'll continue to work 1298 01:44:49,920 --> 01:44:56,719 with the applicant. So, >> Okay. All right. So, can I get a motion 1299 01:44:54,000 --> 01:45:00,880 to issue the bond for 193 Hartford Turnpike? 1300 01:44:58,320 --> 01:45:06,000 » I'll make a motion to issue the bond for 193 Hartford Turnpike. 1301 01:45:02,639 --> 01:45:10,080 » Is there a second? >> Second. 1302 01:45:06,960 --> 01:45:13,679 » All those in favor? I opposed. Eyes have it. 1303 01:45:11,600 --> 01:45:20,159 Uh next is discuss and vote on bond issuance for 17 Maple A. 1304 01:45:16,719 --> 01:45:26,239 » Um so this is the um bond issuance for one to seven seven Maple A. Um the 1305 01:45:23,600 --> 01:45:31,119 project is moving ahead. Um they've been proceeding with abatement of the 1306 01:45:28,159 --> 01:45:35,920 property. Um those who have been uh by recently will see that the fences have 1307 01:45:33,199 --> 01:45:39,760 gone up. Um they're uh doing some initial site prep and again that 1308 01:45:37,440 --> 01:45:44,080 abatement. So, um, anticipating demolition to come, uh, probably 1309 01:45:41,600 --> 01:45:49,760 sometime late fall and winter. >> Okay, great. Uh, is there a motion to 1310 01:45:46,480 --> 01:45:51,920 issue the bond for 17 Maple Lab? >> I make a motion to issue the bond for 1311 01:45:51,520 --> 01:45:54,800 one. >> Is there a second? 1312 01:45:53,440 --> 01:45:56,880 » Is there a second? >> Second. 1313 01:45:55,360 --> 01:46:03,360 » All those in favor? >> I opposed. Eyes have it. Uh, next, we 1314 01:46:00,960 --> 01:46:09,520 have one ANR in front of us this evening for 65 Elm Street. Uh, this plan has 1315 01:46:07,040 --> 01:46:14,719 been reviewed by staff for compliance with Mass General Law um and has been 1316 01:46:12,159 --> 01:46:21,199 recommended for endorsement. Do I have a motion to endorse the plans received and 1317 01:46:17,040 --> 01:46:24,480 authorize the town the town to um sign on the board's behalf? 1318 01:46:22,880 --> 01:46:30,719 » I make a motion that this is not a subdivision. It is an approval not 1319 01:46:26,480 --> 01:46:33,840 required and the board should execute the ANR plan. 1320 01:46:32,960 --> 01:46:40,719 » Is there a second? >> Second. All those in favor? I 1321 01:46:36,560 --> 01:46:44,560 » opposed. Eyes have it. And um just as of note, there are two pieces of 1322 01:46:42,639 --> 01:46:51,440 correspondence that have been received. One for 335 Maple A and another one for 1323 01:46:48,400 --> 01:46:55,520 193 Hartford Turnpike. Um any other items this evening? 1324 01:46:53,760 --> 01:46:58,480 » Think we're good. I move that we uh conclude this evening's public hearings. 1325 01:46:57,760 --> 01:47:02,159 » Second. >> All those in favor? 1326 01:46:59,760 --> 01:47:06,520 » I have it. Thank you very much.