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a review and introduction what it's
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uninterrupted just let them go through
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» Good evening everyone. Uh my name is
Todd Ziggler. Uh appreciate you coming

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out tonight. Some of you folks I may
have already talked to. I know we got

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several phone calls. Appreciate that as
well. I'm going to go through I'm not

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going to bore you all night long. I
could talk about this for quite a while,

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but I'll try to sum it up maybe in about
10 minutes just to give you an overview

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of how we got to where we are tonight.
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All right. So, um first thing is uh
zoning districts. Uh Shrewsbury Township

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has uh what do we got here? 2 4 6 eight
different zoning districts. uh from

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rural residential to rural residential
receiving districts, a district,

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commercial, interchange, industrial. I
know this map isn't the greatest to to

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see from, and I'm going to jump back and
forth here to see my screen a little

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better. Um,
but the particular properties we're

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talking about resoning tonight, if you
can see on the screen there where my

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cursor is moving,
um, right in here, this is where we're

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talking about tonight. This of course is
the overall township as a whole which is

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almost 30 square miles.
Uh for those that aren't aware,

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Shrewsbury Township actually surrounds
New Freedom Burough, Railroad Burough,

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Glenrock Burrow, and Shrewsbury Burrow.
So the areas that you see with the white

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background here, this is Glenn Rock
Burough, this is Shrewsbury Burrow, this

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is Railroad Burrow right here, and then
this is New Freedom Burrow. Um so what

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you see as far as the industrial is just
smaller area which is just north of

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where we're located right now. Uh this
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This section right here we're sitting in
right now is this section right here

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which is a commercial. We have a couple
of other little commercial areas down in

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here around 851 exit 4 interchange.
uh where you see the yellow which is I

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imagine most of you are probably from
I'm guessing Strawberry Fields maybe

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Hamilton's Overlook. Strawberry Fields
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Hamilton's Overlook is rural residential
receiving and I'll explain what those

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are differently the difference between
those as we go on. Um the uh suburban

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residential receiving rural residential
receiving the suburban residential

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receiving is these orange areas here
which as you can see is not very much.

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Um then the rural residential receiving
this area here is what we know as

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Hamilton's overlook.
That's rural residential receiving and

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that's the areas we're talking about now
possibly reszoning. That's currently

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rural residential receiving.
And then of course as you can see

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everything else it's green is all
agricultural zones.

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Now the the differences mostly between
rural residential receiving and suburban

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residential receiving. Um, both of those
are designed to receive

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development rights from the agricultural
zoning district. So, in order to develop

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anything in the receiving district, you
have to purchase development rights from

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a land owner in the agricultural
district. Without those, you can't do

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any development in a receiving district.
That's in both zones. Um

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rural residential is a lower density.
Suburban residential is a medium to a

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higher density.
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um institutional facilities are also
permitted. They are not in the suburban

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residential. is receiving
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which again is the area we're talking
about tonight and also Hamilton's

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overlook
those areas can be developed with on lot

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water wells and on lot septic in the
suburban residential you need to have

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public water and public sewer you can't
do on lot

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one of the challenges right now for
suburban residential receiving is

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there's absolutely absolutely no sewer
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So, suburban residential, you can't
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unless a developer comes in and has
enough money and is willing to upgrade

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the sewer plant. That's the only way
they're going to get sewer capacity. Not

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saying it can't happen, but that's only
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available at the sewer plant.
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this. I I I we want everybody's
questions, but hoping maybe I can answer

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your questions as we go through here
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» but we'll we'll certainly answer
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Um, I want to explain development rights
just briefly because I know people ask

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me what is a development right? And I
don't know if you can see this chart

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well or not, but
the development right program was

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established in November of 1976.
It's when the township developed their

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first zoning ordinance.
And what they did in order, it's part of

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their farmland preservation
and open space preservation program is

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they limit the amount of development
within the egg district. So give you an

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example here.

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If you look at a 100 acre farm, which is
the third one up from the bottom on

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November 10,
they would have had six development

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rights.
One of those rights must remain with the

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main tract at all times. So that means
they have five available. Well, what can

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they do with those five? They could
either subdivide lots off of the egg

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parcel, but each of those lots cannot
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That way, you can't carve up a 100 acre
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or they can sell those development
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uh into a residential area.
Now, I know we've had people have come

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in and they bought purchase farms and
they're like, "Well, you know, today I

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have,
you know, 90 acres." But what they

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forget is
if you buy a track that's 90 acres and

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you want to know if you have development
rights, we have to trace the history of

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that track back to November 1976.
So if those five lots were either subbed

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off already or they were sold to a
receiving district or a combination

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thereof, you have no more development
rights. So that's the max you ever get

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in a lifetime.
So it's not like it resets every time

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you sell five sell the farm does not
reset. So and that's the purpose of

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receiving district to get those
development rights out of the egg

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and into a residential district.
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now if you look again, I pointed out
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jumping back and forth here.

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Of course, this is all the township.
This is a specific area that we're

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talking about. Um, this here is
Hamilton's overlook. This is Campbell

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Road. This is Strawberry Fields West.
This is Miller Park right here,

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uh, Campbell Road. And then this area in
the blue is the area that we're uh is

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being proposed for reszoning from the
rural residential receiving to the

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suburban residential receiving.

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This is uh an outline showing the
affected parcels. Again, this is Miller

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Park.
Um, this is part of the Miller Farm

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that goes up here. Now, this side of the
road is already zoned suburban

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residential receiving.

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Now, the designated growth area, the
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that is a plan that is developed.
It's not it's not law. It's not legal.

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It's just a planning tool for the
elected officials to take a long range

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plan and long range look at what they
how they want to see the township in the

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future. We are part of a regional
comprehensive plan group, the Southern

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York County Regional Planning
Commission, which again consists of all

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four of the burrs that I mentioned as
well as Shbury Township. And if you look

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here,

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this uh I call it dark purple here in
the 2010 comprehensive plan showed it as

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future
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Um this area up here, the the lighter
blue is like a secondary and then the

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red is a primary growth area.
Primary growth area is what you see in

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the red and this is actually Miller Park
and part of the Miller farm is already

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identified as a primary growth area. So
we have the area right here that we're

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talking about considering the reszoning
and then again Hamilton's overlook down

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here was a
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I wanted to read something to you here.
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and this is out of the 2010
comprehensive plan cuz might be asking

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what is the future growth area? What
does that mean? Um, reading directly out

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of the comp plan, the future growth area
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development is most appropriate beyond a
10-year time frame or if development

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should occur at a much greater pace than
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This area was chosen due to its
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amenities provided therein, its location
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the availability of connecting
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looked at back here a little bit,
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you know, we we already have Hamilton's
overlook. We have Strawberry Fields. We

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have Strawberry Fields the other side of
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burrow, Southern Farms. Then you have
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to the northwest, you have railroad. So
that's where we already have the the

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higher density residential development.
And from a planning perspective, that's

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where you want to keep it. Again, that's
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forth.

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Now this here
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yellow is an outline of the existing
Miller family tract

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and as I had mentioned this area here I
say to the northeast of Strawberry Road

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is already zone suburban residential
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This is the area that is rural
residential receiving including this

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parcel here which is the Raymar tract
and the township is in the process of

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negotiating with the Miller family to
purchase it's about 13 acres

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right here uh immediately to the I guess
you would call that to the west to the

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west of Miller Park. Miller Park is
currently 22 acres and this would be an

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additional 13 acres added to the park.
So with with that purchase, if that all

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materializes,
we're going to be losing that

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development capacity under the suburban
residential which does allow a higher

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density
and we need to have receiving districts

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in order to be able to accommodate the
use of those development rights from the

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agricultural district. So that's the
intent is to reszone this area over here

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suburban residential receiving to help
offset what's going to be lost if

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there's a park and open space
uh that if that materializes and goes

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through here.

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Now just to give you an idea um this is
the Miller farm the subdivision again if

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it materializes
everything you see here in this green or

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some shade of green is the tract. This
tract here would be four tracks. This

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would become part of Miller Park
13 acres. This area here those that are

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familiar there's a pond I believe down
back here. It's the old farmhouse uh on

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this tract.
This larger tract here

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is open field right now. And then
there's a piece of the property that's

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between two existing homes on these two
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This piece would be subbed off,
subdivided and attached to this property

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right here.
Um, so that's what the subdivision would

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be. important to understand the
subdivision that's proposed here in

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conjunction with the resoning is the
separation of land only. I know a couple

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calls I got um people are wondering well
is there a housing development coming?

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I'm not aware
of anyone that's talking to developers

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at this point in time. Um if and when
that ever happens, they have to come

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back before this body, the township
planning commission. They need to

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provide full detailed plan showing the
subdivision of each individual lot like

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they did with Hamilton's Overlook. Um
they'll have to address everything

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that's in the ordinance. Um including
traffic. I know I had some questions

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about traffic. You know, they'll have to
do traffic studies including at the

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intersections. Um more than likely if it
happens, they would have to widen the

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road. Even a possibility of traffic
signal. Um, I'm sure everyone's familiar

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with the traffic signal at the end of
Campbell Road and just run a trail.

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The only reason that traffic signal is
there because Hamilton's overlook went

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in and that's what warranted that
traffic signal. I'm not saying there

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would be a traffic signal. I'm just
saying if there's some kind of uh

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traffic control devices that need to be
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result of of something being developed.
Um, and again, um, I I'm sure everybody

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probably understands now just through
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but I know a couple of the conversations
I had, some folks didn't realize that

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that can actually be all developed today
into homes whether or not this happens

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because it's already zone residential
and it's already zoned a receding

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district. Um
the uh one of the questions that someone

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asked me, so I thought I'm going to
share the information. Um they asked

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what the purchase price is. [snorts] The
uh purchase price that we're negotiating

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with the Miller family is $275,000.
Um we had two independent appraisals

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done. Um and the uh one came in at June
of 23, which was $250,000.

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The Miller family asked for it to be
reappraised. We used the same appraiser.

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Uh April of 24 came in at 265,000.
And as far as the purchase, how we're

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going to pay for it, um the township was
very fortunate to receive um I have

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180,000. it should be $280,000
in uh grants, two separate grants that

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we received that would pay for it, pay
for the purchase as well as some of the

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engineering and the surveying and the
legal costs.

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Um and again, the reasonzoning uh
proposal that did go through the

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township planning commission at a public
meeting, they did recommend approval.

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The proposal also went to the York
County Planning Commission. uh their

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organization reviewed it and at a public
meeting they recommended approval of the

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uh resoning as well. I think that's all
I had. So get back to the chair.

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» Thank you Tom. I think that
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background for everybody. A couple
guidelines before we open it for

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comments to try to make the best use of
the time we have. Um you have a maximum

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of five minutes. We will time that. We
will let you know when you have one

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minute left and you you must stop at
that point in time even if you haven't

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finished your presentation. Um we will
ask you once not just right now but once

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we start maybe to line up three or four
people at a time at the microphone so we

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can quickly move from one person to the
other. Um if someone has already said

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what you want to say you don't need to
repeat that. You certainly wouldn't

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heard it. So we would ask you not to
take the time to repeat it. And if

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you're here with a group, we would ask
you to select the spokesman for the

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group so that we can move through things
uh a little bit faster. Um with that, we

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will open up public comment. Um again,
if you could come up to the microphone

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and line up a few people that speak
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that people who are on YouTube and other
places can understand. [clears throat]

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So you're going to have to decide who
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So, um, if somebody would like to take
it first and if a few people would line

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up behind that person, we can we can
keep it moving. And if you just want to

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sit there and listen, that's fine, too.
>> And if you state your name and address

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as you come up to the microphone.
>> Good evening. My name is Douglas Zen Zs

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and Zebra. IN. I live at 116 Abbey Road.
And um I have I just hopefully I can

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just go about this quickly. My concern
is the proposed change in zoning for

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Strawberry Road since I live there. I
learned it's important to know that I

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learned about the proposed expansion of
zoning options when I received the mail

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flyer. I had no previous knowledge. I
was shocked. It's only been a couple

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like three weeks. I did my best to read
the flyer, research online, and then I

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did speak with Todd Zoo on several
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What I learned, it was quite
interesting. One is that the expanded

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options for buildings along Strawberry
Road is already permitted. If I'm wrong,

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just tell me I'm wrong. But my
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ability to expand from one to two um
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» Correct. on on Strawberry Road, the part
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the residual that Miller family and then
the area that's proposed for reszoning

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on the west side of Strawberry Road.
Both of those areas are both receiving.

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So that is correct. They would both
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I also learned that the change from
rural residential receiving to suburban

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residential receiving will permit single
family attached dwellings or semi-

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detached dwellings or multif family
dwellings and or active adult community

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buildings. And I understand that could
also include homes that have a fake

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front. You have three families living in
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but it's actually a multifamily home.
But the is designed to represent a

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single family home. I'm not sure why.
Maybe it looks better. I also understand

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that acceptable sewage and utility
resources as you mentioned must be

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available in the roadways water
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» Microphone.
>> Well, it's on. We'll we'll turn it up

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here.
>> Speak louder. I don't mind.

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» Okay. So, I also
>> if you can speak into the microphone. I

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also there I also understand that
acceptable sewage utility resources must

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be available that roadways water
availability runoffs and other reserves

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must be available and will dictate what
can ultimately can occur. I also learned

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that the publish this is this is
fascinating. I learned that the

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published criteria for this purpose was
to be quote unquote short, concise, and

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free of technical jargon that would make
it challen challenging for lay people to

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read. Supposed to be easy for for us to
understand. I will say that I'm highly

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educated on a short couple credits of a
PhD.

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I have worked in federal, state, and
local government in responsible high

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responsible positions for 44 years. And
I find this process bewildering. It was

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so complex. I've spent hours and hours
over the last few weeks reviewing and

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trying to make sense of it. I also found
out that the project was to clearly

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represent the priorities that township
leaders and residents said were

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important. How was this accomplished?
Did you have a meeting? This is the

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first I heard this whole what was going
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been obviously going on for a year or so
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However, and these two things are
critical. I strongly question the verbal

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and written instructions for the project
since I only learned about them three

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weeks ago. I don't understand how public
concurrence was achieved when only four

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people, including me, that means three
other people called the township and

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only three persons supposedly who were
involved in the October 15th planning

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commission meeting. Not sure if that's
the right meeting. So, you don't have

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like 100 people from the communities,
two large communities, you have six

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people maybe thinking and commenting
something's not something doesn't feel

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right. Okay. So, what do I what is my
conclusion? I love the Strawberry Fields

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community which is beautiful, idyllic,
and appropriately designed. I can

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understand single family home structures
for the community consistent with what

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has occurred in the immediate area in
the past. We are I think on 230 acre

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lots your the other development has I
think half acre lots. I understand all

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that. I don't know why.
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» I don't understand why we can't be
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expand residential community, utilize
only single family building structures

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on one acre of lots. Retain what we
have. Preserve and do not destroy what

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already exists. Be sensitive and
representative to the people you serve

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as these flyers which I'm going to give
you represent. And I just show the

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people in the audience. This is the
flyer and I'll show give these to you

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all. Says I will and shows a picture of
a farm. It says I will never understand

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how someone saw this and decided to
build 100 houses. We have a gorgeous um

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community. The community is loved by
many if not all of you. We've all

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invested heavily and I my printer of
course got destroyed. The ink ran out

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there if you will. You can look at it.
And I respectfully request that what we

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do is we restrict and I don't know how
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» Please listen to what I said and see
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» Thank you very much. We have the next
person who would like to speak and again

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if you would line up a little bit.

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We have a couple people in line. We can
move it along faster.

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Is there anybody else that wants to
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While while we're waiting for that, if I
could just respond to a couple of

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things. Um I know when I spoke to
um Mr. Zen, you had mentioned about uh

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you read where it was 3.5%
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» 3.26%.
>> Yeah. That that that had nothing to do

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with the reasoning. You were referring
to the comprehensive plan review, which

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is a totally separate document and
totally separate issue. So that did not

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have anything to do with this. Um,
and as far as um, you know, being aware,

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everybody I know gets the newsletter. I
don't know how many people read it. Um,

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we always encourage people in the
newsletter to do a couple of things. One

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is sign up for Savvy Citizen. I don't
know how many of you have done that. If

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you haven't, I encourage you to strongly
do it. There's cards in the back there

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that tell you how to easily do it. Savvy
citizen is just messages or

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announcements that the township pushes
out. It comes through on your cell

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phone. Uh it might have attachments. Uh
could have a notice like this, a map,

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whatever. Um so if you haven't done
that, encourage you to do that. Um the

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other thing is as Mr. Zin mentioned,
this has been discussed for probably

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close to a year, if not longer.
>> Um but again, we have a website. All of

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our minutes are published every month on
the website. All the meetings are

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recorded and are uploaded on YouTube and
they're available to see there. Um, if

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you haven't done the past, I encourage
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» Okay.
>> Thank you. Anyone else who wishes to

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speak?
>> And again, if there's someone who after

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a couple minutes of him speaking, if the
next person would walk up to the

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microphone, that would help us to keep
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Hello. Uh, my name is Edin. Uh, I live
at 1971 Lo Piccolo Court. That's office

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Taylor Road. I'm not real close to this
zoning. So, I just want a clarification

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because I thought I heard uh Mr.
particular say that because the park was

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expanding,
we were losing

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residential
um no right,

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» we would be losing we would be losing
capacity to utilize as many development

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rights as is it as it is now because
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» Okay. Right. So because of this
>> because of this the reasonzoning is

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taking place on the other side of
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» Correct.
>> Um and I also heard that [clears throat]

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there's no immediate plans for what
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acreage for Park.
>> Not at this point in time. We we do have

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a grant um to conduct a feasibility
study and a master plan

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» and that again um it Mr. Zen
unfortunately it's it's it's reality. I

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don't know why but if you ever do a
municipalwide survey and get 5% back,

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people are really excited on our in our
world because people just don't respond.

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But I can tell you, watch your
newsletter in the next six months

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because we'll be including surveys for
what people are looking for in parks and

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recreation. So, it is part of the
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» Yeah. Just so you know, we have a master
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through phase two of three phases. We've
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going to try to acquire additional land.
And then we will do a new master plan

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for the entire park, not just for what
we have as the additional land. And part

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of that will be we'll listen to what
people want through surveys. We did that

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the first time and look at what makes
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put them a walking trail there because
people love the walking trails and then

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we'll have time to decide what happens
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» Well, my point is I I think Newer Park
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And if this addition is causing this
resoning, I think we need to re rethink

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that whole process. to disturb a lot of
people.

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» Well, one of the nice things with the
addition is that we're going to be able

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to keep Miller Park. The third phase
would have had maybe tennis courts or

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pickle ball courts, basketball, and
we've taken another look at that and

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said we think people like the more um
look that the park has now where things

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aren't all we don't want to push all
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» I agree.
>> But there's a lot of people going pickle

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ball and some other things. So, this now
gives us room to do that. And you know

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they're not making any land any more
land. So if we don't acquire that when

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we have a chance, we may never be able
to do anything more. We have an

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opportunity now. So we want we want to
drive that while land's available.

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» That's that's all I have to And if I
could just follow up on that, you know,

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I understand where you're coming from,
you know, as far as shifting this over

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here, but something else to keep in
mind, as I said today, you can have that

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high density where we want the 13 acres
of parkland and you're not going to have

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that open space anymore. You're going to
really tighten up Miller Park and and

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you could have homes adjacent to the
park right now.

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So,
>> thank you. Yeah. Thank you.

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It's going up.
Good evening. Mike here, 235 Strawberry

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Road. I only have one question and that
deals with a comment that I thought I

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heard Mr. Zen make and that was he
referenced 100 potential development

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sites. Do we know what the number of
sites may be? No, we do not. And and

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I'll tell you why. There's there's so
many variables that go into developing a

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parcel. Um for suburban residential,
the first thing you have to do is and

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it's challenging for a developer because
they have to pull out all the acreage

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that takes up the roads, storm water
basins and everything. So that's the

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basis for doing your density
calculation. So you can't have a higher

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density utilizing the acreage that's in
roads and storm water basins and so

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forth. So that's the first step. The
other thing in the suburban residential

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receiving district which is I think a
little unique and and actually it's a

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little cumbersome to calculate when
you're looking at it. But the way the

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ordinance is written while Mr. Zinn's
correct it could have some town homes.

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It could have multif [clears throat]
family and so forth. But the way the

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ordinance is written
you cannot have all town houses. You

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cannot have all multif family. The way
the ordinance is written for every

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multifamily duplex
uh townhouse that you have that

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development must also match that with a
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So let's say there's 25 multifamily
duplexes, town houses, you also have to

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have 25 single family homes built in
that community. So it can't be all

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multif family type of dwellings. All
right. So that's why it's hard for me to

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say it could be x amount of units
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» somebody might come in and if they ever
go to develop as sewer capacity becomes

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available, they might have all single
family homes. They're not required to

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put in
multif family.

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» So a followup since there been at least
two other meetings in the last year

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leading to this session on that
property. There must be some general

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guidelines in terms of the minimum or
maximum number of development sites.

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Somebody has to have had that
conversation.

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You're telling me they haven't?
No, we we we can play I can tell you

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right now and you're welcome to come in.
We can play around with those numbers

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all we want. We could make those numbers
what we want them to be based on what

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kind of configuration we make. you know,
whether it's it's multif family duplexes

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or or all single family because if you
have um

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you know, if you do the multif family,
the twotory with uh I think the max is

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eight units,
>> but maximum height is two stories.

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» Um you know, that's going to shift
around what your available

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uh density is because you need a minimum
lot size for a single family home. And

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then there's a different lot size for
multif family. There's a different lot

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size for duplexes. Um, so I I could I
could come up with probably 15 different

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scenarios.
>> Well, I understand what you're saying.

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However, and I
>> I hope my five minutes aren't up yet.

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Uh, but if they're going to be single
family, you know what that number could

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possibly be at this point is is where
I'm going. Well, if

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» and then if there is a uh calculation in
terms of how many single family and

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duplexes, you should know that number
now.

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00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,960
» Well,
am I wrong?

418
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,960
» Let me see.
>> I I will say I don't have have the

419
00:34:08,720 --> 00:34:11,599
number.
>> I don't have the number off the top of

420
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:14,399
my head, but I will look here. I can
tell you what the square footage is.

421
00:34:13,839 --> 00:34:17,919
» Um
>> All right. I

422
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:23,839
» for the minimum lot size remaining. We
looked at at the the tradeoffs if you

423
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:27,919
would between looking at the SSR now
that's there now and if that goes away

424
00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:33,919
and there are no more and the other is
reszone. It does it does allow for a few

425
00:34:32,079 --> 00:34:37,440
not a lot but a few more homes than
which you would have in the one section.

426
00:34:35,599 --> 00:34:40,720
I don't have those numbers here but yes
what you're asking we did look at

427
00:34:38,993 --> 00:34:42,560
[snorts] those. It's probably a year ago
you know when we were looking at all

428
00:34:42,079 --> 00:34:45,839
that.
>> All right. I I just find it interesting

429
00:34:44,399 --> 00:34:51,359
and I've only talked for like two
minutes. everybody else has to answer my

430
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:56,480
questions. I I I just can't fathom you
don't have that minimum or maximum

431
00:34:53,839 --> 00:35:01,839
number of development sites.
>> We we did look at at rough numbers

432
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:05,280
» and all I'm looking for. I just don't
have them with me.

433
00:35:03,359 --> 00:35:09,440
» And it's hard to say because I'm going
to use Hamilton's Overlook as an example

434
00:35:08,079 --> 00:35:13,520
» and the storm water
>> is the storm water.

435
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:19,280
» Yeah. Hamilton's Overlook could have had
more homes and smaller lot sizes if they

436
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:23,520
didn't have the storm water basins
>> because when you build a home, you're

437
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:28,079
required to manage your storm water
>> and you can put seepage pits in where it

438
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,599
catches all the water from your
downspouts.

439
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:34,640
» All right.
>> So, that's what I'm saying to I I don't

440
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:38,400
know what a developer is going to do if
he's going to put in a storm water basic

441
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:43,119
system. Am I asking a question?
>> No, we No, we asked those questions and

442
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:45,680
we did [snorts] have the rough numbers.
I just

443
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,920
» So, so somebody can get back to us.
>> If I went home and got a file, I could

444
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:52,320
probably
>> Okay. So, somebody can get back to us

445
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:55,440
and let us know what that is. Minimum
>> if you'll give me your contact

446
00:35:53,599 --> 00:35:57,680
information, email if you have it.
>> Okay.

447
00:35:56,079 --> 00:36:03,760
» Yeah, I'll get you.
>> Yeah. What I want to show you here is um

448
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:08,880
for a single family home uh with public
water and public sewer. Is this uh make

449
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:12,880
sure I'm on the right here. Suburban
residential.

450
00:36:09,839 --> 00:36:15,760
» I understand if you could answer that
later. That's fine.

451
00:36:14,240 --> 00:36:18,400
» Give me Give me your email before you
leave tonight. Thank you.

452
00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:22,240
» Sure. And I'll get with Todd together.
We'll do that.

453
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:30,640
» Yes, ma'am.
>> Hello. Good evening. My name is Toana

454
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:37,839
Melton. Um 346 Eliza um and Hamilton's
Overlook. Um, and so I just, this is our

455
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:42,160
first meeting here. So, a couple things.
Is there, you talked about a strategic

456
00:36:39,839 --> 00:36:46,160
plan that you've talked about for over a
year now. What are the And I heard you

457
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:50,480
say pickle ball. I heard you say
potentially houses or whatever have you.

458
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:55,920
And I know that there's no developer
that has even mentioned anything to you

459
00:36:53,839 --> 00:37:00,320
guys, but what is the plan? like when
you talked a year ago, what was the

460
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:05,200
thought or do is that something that was
discussed during that time? That's

461
00:37:03,119 --> 00:37:10,160
question number one. Question number two
is I know we're all here and I know it's

462
00:37:07,839 --> 00:37:15,680
a lot of families here from Hamilton's
overlook. Do we really even have a vote

463
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:20,400
or is it will it be this body that will
make the decision and you know kind of

464
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:25,040
if you get a developer and if it happens
to be group homes that's what it's going

465
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:29,200
to be. Do we as homeowners have any say
so in it?

466
00:37:27,119 --> 00:37:32,400
» I can answer that that part and we're
here to listen.

467
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:37,680
» Um, usually we just listen. We don't
comment too much, but it is this body

468
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:43,359
that makes that decision. The five of us
that are here, you have elected us to do

469
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:47,839
that. Um, and did we look a year ago
when we looked at this? Um, if if I

470
00:37:46,240 --> 00:37:52,960
understand that question right,
essentially what what we were looking at

471
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:59,680
back then is we had a desire to purchase
the park land. Um, we did we actually

472
00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:04,960
did have developers
a couple of years ago that approached

473
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:09,520
that were kind of looking at the park
that we want the park we want to

474
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:14,640
acquire. And they were looking at that
and they submitted some preliminary

475
00:38:11,359 --> 00:38:19,280
plans and we looked at and said no way
you cannot put even in the SSR they

476
00:38:17,599 --> 00:38:23,520
could not put the kind of density in
that they wanted and they didn't come in

477
00:38:21,359 --> 00:38:26,960
for any formal approval. They just were
looking at maybe buying the land. So

478
00:38:25,359 --> 00:38:31,680
they wanted to say can we build all
this? We said no. They came back a

479
00:38:29,359 --> 00:38:37,200
second time and said what about this? We
said no. Um and they went away. So, we

480
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:42,000
know of nobody that is interested in any
of the land at this time. Okay. Um, we

481
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:48,079
just it it kind of broached the
opportunity for us to to try to acquire

482
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:52,000
because that's been on our horizon for
some time.

483
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:56,640
» Now, as far as I guess you say is about
whether or not it gets reszoned,

484
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:59,839
um, yeah, that is up to this body. But
as far as like if a plan comes in for

485
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:03,599
subdivision,
>> Yes. um or land development for a

486
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:07,920
housing development.
This board makes the final decision, but

487
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:10,960
they have to follow what our ordinance
states. So, we have a zoning ordinance

488
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:14,720
and we have a subdivision land
development ordinance. It's already been

489
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:19,040
adopted. So, as long as they check off
all those boxes, you know, this board

490
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:22,320
really doesn't have any choice other
than to approve it.

491
00:39:20,720 --> 00:39:26,640
» And just to give you an idea, that
process probably takes a couple of

492
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:30,800
years. If a builder came in today and
wanted to build there, he's not going to

493
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:34,720
put a shovel in the ground for a couple
years because he goes through to the

494
00:39:33,119 --> 00:39:38,880
staff review. He goes through the
planning commission. He comes here and

495
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:43,839
there are a lot of other issues that
need to be covered. So, it doesn't

496
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:47,599
happen quick. But today, nobody could do
that unless they were putting in well

497
00:39:45,359 --> 00:39:51,839
and septic and they can do that today.
You could have a bunch of houses in back

498
00:39:49,359 --> 00:39:55,520
of you today if they were willing to put
well and septic in.

499
00:39:53,440 --> 00:40:00,160
» Okay. I appreciate you answering the
question um and and kind of explaining

500
00:39:58,240 --> 00:40:04,480
it because again this was our first
meeting here and I think I'm going to

501
00:40:02,079 --> 00:40:09,680
speak for us as for myself my husband
and I as a homeowner just to take into

502
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:14,880
consideration just depending on you know
the developers coming in and I I get the

503
00:40:12,720 --> 00:40:19,920
aspect where you're coming from but just
as a homeowner just understanding that

504
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:24,320
the purchases that we made and having
the here you know potentially a group

505
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:28,880
home or potentially town homes and
things like that, it could really affect

506
00:40:26,079 --> 00:40:33,440
the value. So that that was the
>> one of the things you want to bear in

507
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:37,200
mind is that you think there were people
who felt the same way when Hamilton's

508
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:43,280
overlook went in and I would guarantee
you there were. So So now now you're

509
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:46,640
changing places now someone who maybe
didn't want Hamilton Overlook there, now

510
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:51,839
you're there, but you're looking at
this. Um I live the same place where we

511
00:40:49,599 --> 00:40:55,760
were part of a a farm at one time and
it's across the road. there could be

512
00:40:53,359 --> 00:41:00,480
development but you know people have to
realize remember we were we were that

513
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:05,280
place at one time so just to give some
empathy to the whole process um there

514
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:09,760
were people that didn't want to see
Hamilton over there too but we're glad

515
00:41:08,319 --> 00:41:15,920
you're there
>> yes sir Jeremy Anderson 339 Eliza um I

516
00:41:13,839 --> 00:41:21,839
just wanted to clarify something that I
think Mr. Ziggler said about sewage. If

517
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:28,079
this goes through, there is no sewage
capacity. So, a builder at this point in

518
00:41:25,359 --> 00:41:32,960
time, the only way that we know that
they could probably develop it is

519
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:37,040
if they're willing to expand the
wastewater treatment plant, which

520
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:41,280
everybody's sew each goes to New Freedom
Burough's treatment plant. So, they'd

521
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:46,800
have to work with New Freedom Burrow,
not us. Um, and number one, they'd have

522
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:49,680
to be open to that. And number two, the
developers would have to pay for it.

523
00:41:48,240 --> 00:41:54,400
They're not going to pass that cost on
to the current users.

524
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:58,400
» So in that sense, going to this zoning
could almost limit a developer from

525
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:01,280
» at this point in time, I think it
severely

526
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:03,680
» severely limits it,
>> right?

527
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:07,040
» Um but again,
>> none of us can predict whether a

528
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:11,359
developer comes in and thinks, you know,
it's worthy or not. Um the last I knew

529
00:42:10,079 --> 00:42:14,800
they were probably looking at four or
five million dollars to to expand the

530
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:16,240
plant
years.

531
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,960
» Yeah.
>> Yeah. But

532
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,000
» that's all I Thank you.
>> Sure.

533
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:24,319
» Thank you.
>> Yes, sir.

534
00:42:21,839 --> 00:42:26,480
» Gentlemen, how y'all doing? How y'all
doing?

535
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:33,440
» Good. Good. Good.
>> I'm Rodney Hicks. Uh 313 Eliza Road.

536
00:42:29,839 --> 00:42:37,200
That's my wife Bridget there. Um,
you mentioned something about how people

537
00:42:35,359 --> 00:42:42,640
didn't want Hamilton's overlook there
prior to that is completely different

538
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:47,200
from having multif family properties and
group homes. I sell a lot of multif

539
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:51,920
family properties down in Baltimore as a
realtor and I know what type of

540
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:55,520
clientele that brings. The properties
that we've worked hard for and purchased

541
00:42:53,520 --> 00:43:02,640
and I moved from Baltimore up here to
get away from that element.

542
00:42:58,240 --> 00:43:07,119
So, we cannot liken a group home or a
multifamily home to the homes that we've

543
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:09,520
purchased over Hamilton's Overlook. It's
a completely different That's a good

544
00:43:09,119 --> 00:43:13,280
point.
>> Right.

545
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:16,880
» And so, when you bring those renters
there, the next thing that's going to

546
00:43:14,720 --> 00:43:20,319
come is public transportation because
they need somewhere to go. They need pl

547
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:23,680
they going to have to get public
transportation to get to where they need

548
00:43:22,240 --> 00:43:27,280
to go to. All of them are not going to
have vehicles,

549
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:32,160
right? which is going to bring a
different type of element. I worked in

550
00:43:29,119 --> 00:43:38,960
law enforcement for 22 years down in
Baltimore and as a realtor as well. I

551
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:44,480
was dual career and I see and I know
what type of clientele is going to come

552
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:48,400
and we've invested a lot of money into
these properties

553
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:54,000
and we have a lot of people here from
Hamilton's Overlook

554
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:57,760
and I just think that is going to bring
a different type of element and if I'm

555
00:43:55,920 --> 00:44:02,000
being honest and again forgive me this
is my first time in one of these

556
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:06,319
meetings ever because in Baltimore City
we didn't have these right so this is

557
00:44:04,319 --> 00:44:11,520
new for And I was I was going to sit
there and not say anything, but I cannot

558
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:18,640
do that.
That that's going to bring a It's going

559
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:22,400
to kill the property value
>> drastically. If there's anything I don't

560
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:27,359
mean to cut you off, I'm sorry. If
there's anything that we can do

561
00:44:25,359 --> 00:44:32,720
» to change that,
>> please, I'm sure I speak for everyone,

562
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:36,880
let us know.
One thing to bear in mind is that just

563
00:44:34,720 --> 00:44:41,040
because it's zoned for that doesn't mean
anybody would build that. A builder is

564
00:44:38,720 --> 00:44:46,079
going to build what he can sell, you
know, and he may not be able to sell

565
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:49,839
that type of product here. Um, and today
again, unless he finds a way to get a

566
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:53,760
lot of sewage, he can't do that anyway.
>> But the fact that there's a chance

567
00:44:52,240 --> 00:44:58,560
somebody is going to try it,
>> there's a chance. That same thing could

568
00:44:56,000 --> 00:45:01,920
happen right now on the land we're
trying to buy. That's not quite in your

569
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:05,680
backyard, but it's close.
>> It's close enough.

570
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:08,240
» So, that can be done there today if they
have a sewer. They don't have that today

571
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:12,880
either.
>> You know, I feel good being a being able

572
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:17,200
to leave my garage door open
>> sometimes all night and go to sleep and

573
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:21,280
know that my stuff is still safe in my
my car. I don't have to lock my truck

574
00:45:19,599 --> 00:45:25,440
and my kids are out there playing. I
don't have to worry about I moved from

575
00:45:23,599 --> 00:45:31,599
an area
from there to here so I could have that.

576
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:36,000
and I'm sure others have done the same.
>> I appreciate that.

577
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:40,720
» So, that's
we're going to give

578
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:45,160
everybody a chance to speak before we
have anybody come up a second time.

579
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:54,000
» Sure. Come on up.
>> Good evening. U My name's uh my legal

580
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:58,400
name David Dixon. I'm 347 Eliza Road. A
lot of people in the neighborhood know

581
00:45:55,599 --> 00:46:01,119
my my I get my middle name Chris. Um,
appreciate uh the opportunity to speak

582
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:05,040
tonight.
>> Um, I um I know I'm going to echo a lot

583
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:10,960
of what was said before, but not
directly. Um, we uh have been in the

584
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:15,839
area for nearly 20 years, but we were on
the Maryland side and uh uh part of the

585
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:22,000
appeal to coming and building in
Hamilton's overlook was uh what exactly

586
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:27,040
you know what Rodney described. He did a
a great job describing I think how a lot

587
00:46:24,319 --> 00:46:30,800
of us feel. We certainly understand you
know [clears throat] I'm in construction

588
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:34,880
myself. I realize the process. You know,
you can't, you know, I you to to be able

589
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:39,200
to have Hamilton's overlook and say,
"Oh, nobody else can come." I don't

590
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:44,720
think that's really the sentiment, but
um just the the makeup of this township,

591
00:46:42,319 --> 00:46:49,440
uh you know, part of the allure for just
being at rural. We um that's what

592
00:46:47,119 --> 00:46:52,800
brought a lot of us here. And I think I
don't think anybody's looking to

593
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:56,720
exclude, but I think we just uh you
know, we're trusting, you know, that I

594
00:46:54,960 --> 00:47:00,640
guess, you know, our elected officials
just, you know, we appreciate the

595
00:46:58,240 --> 00:47:05,440
opportunity to be heard that, you know,
there's certainly a concern that, you

596
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:10,160
know, we we that don't want to turn it
into, you know, a suburban area. And I

597
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:14,319
think, um, you that's just, you know,
what we're trying to convey tonight. Um,

598
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:18,720
and just I think Rodney nailed it when
he said just even the potential. So, um

599
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:24,240
I think that's that's one of the biggest
things. And uh second, we're big outdoor

600
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:29,680
users and the discussion about we go to
Miller Park and um what we discovered is

601
00:47:27,972 --> 00:47:35,520
[snorts] Miller Park is not a dog
friendly area, you know, the signs

602
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:40,240
» clearly indicate that. So, if they're if
if we're having expansion discussions

603
00:47:37,839 --> 00:47:45,680
for Miller Park, um I like the pickle
ball idea other than try signing up for

604
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:48,720
pickle ball anywhere. Uh, and the
classes are all full, so you're going to

605
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:54,640
have good luck finding someone to teach
you. But I guess my point about that is

606
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:59,440
there needs to be more opportunities for
u dog owners, things like that. If we're

607
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:02,640
going to expand this park sometime in
the future, I would hope there's

608
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:07,520
consideration. I know there's
irresponsible dog owners. We see them,

609
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:11,040
but um, yeah, there still needs to be an
opportunity to be able for everybody to

610
00:48:09,119 --> 00:48:13,520
be able to enjoy these things.
>> Well, you'll have the opportunity with a

611
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:16,480
survey to express
>> Yeah. Thank Thank you. But um I

612
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:20,319
appreciate the opportunity to be here
tonight and appreciate the people that

613
00:48:18,319 --> 00:48:25,119
have come out u to be able to express
their concerns too. Thank you.

614
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:28,400
» Thank you.
>> Yes, sir.

615
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:34,240
» Yeah. Good evening. Uh Rob Grandandy um
345 Eliza. So I back up directly to the

616
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:39,280
uh the field property. So definitely
concerned about might what might come

617
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:44,880
in. So, if it does come to be that it is
a mix, so town houses and uh single

618
00:48:42,559 --> 00:48:49,680
family homes, um my brother who's in the
business in the Baltimore area has

619
00:48:46,720 --> 00:48:54,640
stated that it's often customary to for
example line the adjacent properties

620
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:58,880
with like property. So, in other words,
um if there was mixed properties that

621
00:48:56,240 --> 00:49:04,960
the single family homes might um be
adjacent to the current Eliza homes and

622
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:08,960
then um town town houses like in inside
of the other property. Is that is that a

623
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:13,200
thing or is you know is that a maybe a
Baltimore thing or you know

624
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:18,400
» every developer is a little different
you know um but typically I mean they

625
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:22,880
try to do a transition instead of a real
hard you know it's kind of like that

626
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:28,240
with zoning you know you try to go from
commercial to the heavier you know um

627
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:31,359
you know the higher density residential
before you get into the lower density

628
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:37,280
residential then you get out into the
egg. Again, that's up to each individual

629
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:40,960
developer. We can't make any guarantees
of that, but

630
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:44,559
» Okay.
>> Thank you.

631
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:49,520
» Thank you.
We're only allowing one time.

632
00:49:47,839 --> 00:49:53,520
» You got five minutes and you had your
five minutes. I want to know if anybody

633
00:49:51,119 --> 00:49:58,000
else is there. Anybody else here wants
to talk?

634
00:49:55,920 --> 00:50:00,800
» Also, to our half hour limit.
>> Could I could I start and yield my time

635
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:04,160
to him?
>> No. No.

636
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:06,240
» Why not?
>> We're not starting.

637
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:11,599
» They do it in the government.
>> We're not doing that.

638
00:50:08,319 --> 00:50:14,480
» I ask our solicitor. I feel that we
should not let somebody talk multiple

639
00:50:14,079 --> 00:50:15,920
times.
>> Those are your rules.

640
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:19,760
» I'm sorry.
>> Those are your rules, sir.

641
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:22,720
» Yes. Is there anybody else who wishes to
talk?

642
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:27,599
» That's the problem here.
>> Last chance.

643
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:32,559
Okay. We'll close the We'll close the
public hearing. We appreciate your

644
00:50:29,119 --> 00:50:37,119
comments. we've listened. Um, you know,
there are a lot of things that that need

645
00:50:34,720 --> 00:50:41,839
to be considered. So, I hope you can put
yourselves in our spot and decisions

646
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:47,520
that we need to make that we think serve
the entire township best. And and and

647
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:54,800
comment that you made, if you looked at
the map that Todd did, the large part of

648
00:50:51,599 --> 00:50:59,040
the township is zoned agriculture and we
are trying very hard to keep it that

649
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:03,280
way. But we do need to get rid of some
development rights and able to help us

650
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:07,359
do that. So that's why we're looking to
somewhere where we can use more of the

651
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:12,240
development rights. But um look at all
that green and that is something that

652
00:51:09,599 --> 00:51:17,920
this board is committed to keeping green
so the town stays very r

653
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:21,520
you have any else you want to offer?
>> I do not.

654
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:26,559
» All right. So we are finished with the
public comment on the hearing. Thank you

655
00:51:24,559 --> 00:51:32,319
all for coming out. You're certainly
welcome to stay as we move through a

656
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:35,680
couple more hours of our meeting.
For those who wish to leave, we'll just

657
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:38,920
pause a couple seconds so that you can
do that.

658
00:51:48,240 --> 00:51:53,079
I don't know why
they

659
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:00,599
should not

660
00:52:02,421 --> 00:52:04,441
[clears throat]

661
00:52:13,599 --> 00:52:20,400
situation [clears throat] down the cost.
Thank you.

662
00:52:18,720 --> 00:52:24,559
» We need to ask you if you will take that
out in the lobby if you want to talk so

663
00:52:22,240 --> 00:52:29,720
that we can continue here.
>> You're just the very beginning of what

664
00:52:26,079 --> 00:52:29,720
we need to do tonight.

665
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:58,160
Mr. Chairman, I'm I'm going to uh I'm
going to close the back doors so that we

666
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:02,119
can
>> Okay.

667
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:02,119
» Thank you.

668
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:15,640
We stay out here.

669
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:40,160
» Thanks. Appreciate it.
All right. Um, how's the board feel? Are

670
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:45,400
we in a position where we're ready to
vote?

671
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:45,400
on the ordinance.

672
00:53:46,240 --> 00:53:51,520
» So moved.
>> Okay. Second.

673
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:57,200
» All right. So we will then um we're
looking at this ordinance now 2025-04

674
00:53:54,400 --> 00:54:02,839
that makes the map amendment for zoning.
Um is there a motion someone would like

675
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:02,839
to put before the board?

676
00:54:03,119 --> 00:54:09,920
» I'll make that motion.
>> Want to specify your motion? Motion

677
00:54:08,559 --> 00:54:15,640
number
>> 25 202504

678
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:15,640
» 24504.

679
00:54:16,079 --> 00:54:20,559
» Your motion is to
>> adopt the order.

680
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:24,160
» Okay. Thank you. Just want to make sure
we're clear.

681
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:29,760
» Your second.
>> We have a motion and a second that we

682
00:54:25,867 --> 00:54:33,440
[snorts] would adopt ordinance 2025-04.
Questions from the board.

683
00:54:32,079 --> 00:54:35,760
» I don't have questions, but it have a
comment.

684
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:38,480
» Go ahead.
Um I'm Did you get a second for that,

685
00:54:37,599 --> 00:54:40,319
Bob?
>> Yes.

686
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:44,079
» Wonderful.
>> Um

687
00:54:41,839 --> 00:54:51,040
the um
areas already able to be developed.

688
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:56,400
Uh the goal has always been to remove
development rights from the farming

689
00:54:52,800 --> 00:55:03,680
areas and to put them in areas where
have been identified as uh developmental

690
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:08,640
around the burrows, which is where this
ties into.

691
00:55:05,599 --> 00:55:13,440
um they can be developed today, maybe
not at the current density, um but

692
00:55:11,599 --> 00:55:19,760
they're still able to be developed.
>> Um and there's still no proposed

693
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:24,079
development in the near future due to
sewer restrictions.

694
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:26,880
Um that was all I had as far as a
comment.

695
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:32,559
» I'd like to make one other additional
comment. Uh, not only have we had

696
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:35,520
millers before us about reszoning,
>> true,

697
00:55:33,359 --> 00:55:40,960
» we've previously had another property
owner in this area claim a reszoning

698
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:43,680
» several years in in the same area
>> in the same area

699
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:46,240
» at the time was looking for spot zoning
as I recall, which is why it was denied.

700
00:55:45,599 --> 00:55:49,520
But yes,
>> that's another reason why we took into

701
00:55:48,240 --> 00:55:54,559
consideration
>> this move that we're making because we

702
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:57,760
did have a request for a spot res in
this district.

703
00:55:55,920 --> 00:56:02,000
» It's a good point. Then we acquire
additional parkland.

704
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:06,000
» And just for everybody's knowledge, this
has been talked about for probably more

705
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:10,240
than a year. It's been several public
hearings, not public hearings, but

706
00:56:08,319 --> 00:56:15,040
public meetings where people could have
comment. It's been through our planning

707
00:56:12,240 --> 00:56:20,400
commission. Um, it's been through the
staff. All this is up to date pretty

708
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:25,280
much on our website about what's going
on in the newsletter that comes out. So,

709
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:31,040
as Mr. Ziggler said, please take
advantage of those. And if you subscribe

710
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:36,559
to Savvy Citizen, uh you get text and
information automatically. So, um I

711
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:40,960
would encourage you to use those. If you
have any trouble getting on the website

712
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:44,000
or Savvy says, just call into the office
here and somebody will help you through

713
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:50,079
that. And if you did not get a
newsletter, there are copies of the last

714
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:55,760
one back uh on the table back of you.
All right. Any other comments? Just just

715
00:56:52,799 --> 00:57:01,359
again that we acquire the parkland
basically for free. Uh it's being

716
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:06,880
purchased through grants. So there's no
additional tax to the residents,

717
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:11,200
» just benefits.
>> And and to speak to grants, they are

718
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:13,920
highly competitive. They are difficult
to obtain. Um

719
00:57:13,119 --> 00:57:17,839
» well done.
>> I give Mr. Ziggler a lot of credit

720
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:22,000
because he was the one who did the
application for the grants and followed

721
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:25,520
them through. Um
There's a there are a lot of people that

722
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:30,160
money goes so far. When it runs out,
then the grants stop. So, we have the

723
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:33,680
grants now. We want to make sure we use
them. If we don't, we lose them and they

724
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:37,680
go to somebody else and they might not
be around next year when we want to or

725
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:42,880
another year when we want to look for
them. So, we've considered all that as

726
00:57:40,559 --> 00:57:48,160
as we do this vote as well. It's been a
lot of work going into getting where we

727
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:53,119
are to get that park expansion.
All right, I'll call for the vote. And

728
00:57:50,559 --> 00:57:55,440
again, clarify the vote is to adopt
2025-4.

729
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:56,400
» I
>> I

730
00:57:55,839 --> 00:57:57,359
» I
>> I

731
00:57:56,880 --> 00:58:03,200
» I
>> I votes the permanent the uh adopted

732
00:58:01,119 --> 00:58:07,040
I I think you'll find as time goes on
things will work out. So I hope you'll

733
00:58:04,799 --> 00:58:11,839
give it a give it a chance, but we do
appreciate your comments and understand

734
00:58:09,359 --> 00:58:16,079
and um
and we want the township to be very

735
00:58:14,559 --> 00:58:19,599
rural. That's what this board is
committed to. So we're going to do what

736
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:23,200
we can to keep it that way.
>> Thank you.

737
00:58:21,119 --> 00:58:25,839
All right. The next item is approval of
the minutes from our October 1st

738
00:58:25,359 --> 00:58:29,760
meeting.
>> Like to make a motion to approve.

739
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:32,799
» Second. Motion a second to approve.
Questions on the minutes?

740
00:58:31,839 --> 00:58:33,599
» Call for the vote.
>> I

741
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:36,559
» I
>> I

742
00:58:34,559 --> 00:58:40,960
» I votes the affirmative. The minutes are
approved. Um not listed here, but I

743
00:58:39,599 --> 00:58:45,520
think we can include that. We had
another set of minutes for the uh budget

744
00:58:43,839 --> 00:58:48,480
hearing that we had.
>> You can or if you since it's not on the

745
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:51,680
agenda, why don't we just hold it till
December? Fair enough. Yeah,

746
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:54,319
» we'll hold it to December.
>> We don't want to get in trouble.

747
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:58,720
» No.
Another public meeting that was held and

748
00:58:56,480 --> 00:59:03,280
and we had no one attended was our was
our budget meeting. It's a workshop we

749
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:07,839
hold here. It's open to the public and
run runs through the budget. So, and

750
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:13,119
you're welcome to inspect copies of
that. In fact, I think a little bit

751
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:15,440
later in the agenda. Don't we don't we
approve that?

752
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:20,319
» We'll author the board will authorize it
to be advertised for public inspection.

753
00:59:17,599 --> 00:59:24,960
So you you can see what comes in and
what goes out. I can u have the

754
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:30,400
treasures report.
>> I'll make a motion to approve October

755
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:34,400
2025.
>> I have a motion in a second to approve

756
00:59:32,079 --> 00:59:40,559
the treasures report. Just a comment. We
had just under we had over $9,000 in

757
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:46,480
interest, about $1,000 in fine, and even
still this late in the year, a few uh

758
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:52,319
reservations for picnic tables at the
various parks. Um questions,

759
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:53,599
call for the vote.
>> I

760
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:56,559
» I
>> I

761
00:59:54,079 --> 01:00:01,359
» I affirmative. We've approved the
treasures report.

762
00:59:58,799 --> 01:00:05,599
Um we do have a session for now opening
public comments. I would say we we're

763
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:09,200
we're done with the public hearing, but
if you want to address anything else, uh

764
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:13,440
you're welcome to step up. There's
another opportunity at the end of the

765
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:19,280
meeting as well. So, anybody wishes to
address at this time?

766
01:00:16,079 --> 01:00:22,640
Okay. Uh moving forward, we have a
couple of ordinances and resolutions.

767
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:27,720
The first is the adoption of the
International Property Maintenance Code.

768
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:33,599
» Make a motion to approve. Ordinance
2025-05.

769
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:38,799
» Second.
>> All right. We have a motion and a second

770
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:43,200
that we would adopt ordinance 2025-05,
which essentially adopts the

771
01:00:40,799 --> 01:00:47,680
International Property Maintenance Code.
For those out there that assist us when

772
01:00:45,119 --> 01:00:52,000
we have properties are not kept up,
dilapidated,

773
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:56,559
safety issues that give us a little bit
more power to go in and have those taken

774
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:59,839
care of.
>> Any questions from the board? Call for

775
01:00:58,799 --> 01:01:01,200
vote. I
>> I I

776
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:06,000
» I
>> I affirmative. We have adopted that.

777
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:08,240
» Mr. Chairman.
>> Yes.

778
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:14,400
» I'm always loathed to interrupt your
process, but as you heard Mr. Bros say,

779
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:19,520
your solicitors watching right now, but
I I don't want to watch any more than I

780
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:22,000
have to. Uh quite often you don't have
me at your meetings at all. So, it's

781
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:26,160
great to have a chance to come here and
see you. I think it's very economical

782
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:29,359
for you to use me when you need me. I
don't think you need me any further this

783
01:01:27,839 --> 01:01:34,319
evening. So I'm going to go home and
watch from online.

784
01:01:32,319 --> 01:01:36,799
» We we will be happy to excuse you.
>> Always good to see you fellas. So thank

785
01:01:35,839 --> 01:01:40,160
you.
>> Take care.

786
01:01:37,359 --> 01:01:46,880
» Take care. You too.
So resolution 2025-08.

787
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:52,319
Actually we Todd talked about the comp
regional comprehensive plan. That's been

788
01:01:49,359 --> 01:01:58,480
a two-year process. We received two
grants to help fund having the uh person

789
01:01:56,319 --> 01:02:03,200
work with us to to put that plan
together. Again, competitive grants.

790
01:02:01,359 --> 01:02:09,359
Again, Todd was the person that applied
for them. This brought in also though

791
01:02:05,599 --> 01:02:13,440
the municipalities that we surround. Um
it has been before our planning

792
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:18,319
commission. It's we've had public a
number of public hearings on the comp

793
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:24,240
plan, some here, some in other places.
Um it basically says here's how we want

794
01:02:21,599 --> 01:02:31,119
to look at the next 10 years going going
forward. And uh you saw pieces of that

795
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:37,440
from Todd's presentation. So we would be
voting tonight to adopt um that plan.

796
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:40,640
That plan is um how many pages you think
that is Todd?

797
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:46,640
» Many
>> over 200. Well over 200. It is available

798
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:50,960
on the township website.org
on the homepage. If you look uh the full

799
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:53,680
text is there as well as the exhibits
for future land use.

800
01:02:52,079 --> 01:02:58,480
» A lot of very interesting background
information. Um, if you can stay with

801
01:02:56,079 --> 01:03:04,079
the whole thing, it it's actually not
bad to go through. I did every page a

802
01:03:01,599 --> 01:03:07,440
couple times and and offered some edits
and comments to it, but there was a

803
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:11,599
committee who's been working. I think
it's been two years, Todd. So,

804
01:03:09,839 --> 01:03:13,440
» yeah, we had an engineering firm as a
consultant.

805
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:17,440
» Yes.
>> So, um, we're ready to to vote if there

806
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:21,559
is a motion to adopt.
>> I'll make a motion to adopt resolution.

807
01:03:21,839 --> 01:03:28,319
» Second. We have a motion and a second
that will adopt a comprehensive plan

808
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:35,520
which is resolution. This is not an
ordinance or resolution 2025-08.

809
01:03:31,839 --> 01:03:38,880
» Uh we uh
are waiting on burrows for this as well.

810
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:41,760
I believe
>> we adopt it independently though.

811
01:03:41,359 --> 01:03:46,720
» Right.
>> Yeah, we adopt independently.

812
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:50,960
Um Shrewsbury Burough I believe has
already adopted. I know Glenrock Burrow

813
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:55,119
has and I know Railroad Burough has. New
Freedom Bureau, I believe, is going to

814
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:57,039
revisit it again at their December
meeting.

815
01:03:55,599 --> 01:04:00,319
» Sounds good.
>> Meeting I was at, they voted against it.

816
01:03:59,039 --> 01:04:03,760
» Yeah, but my understanding is they're
going to revisit, but I'm I don't work

817
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:08,079
there, but that's what I've been told.
So, I'm not sure.

818
01:04:06,799 --> 01:04:12,559
» That was all I had.
>> You have you have a motion and a second.

819
01:04:10,079 --> 01:04:13,920
» All right. Any questions before we vote?
Call for vote.

820
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:14,799
» I
>> I

821
01:04:14,319 --> 01:04:17,839
» I
>> I

822
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:21,760
» I votes affirmative. We have adopted a
comprehensive plan and my

823
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:26,640
congratulations to the committee that
spent a lot of days and a lot of time to

824
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:30,720
get through all this and put it
together. It's I would encourage you get

825
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:34,559
a chance to look at it. It's a good
document that tells you what should be

826
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:39,599
happening in the township as time goes
on.

827
01:04:36,559 --> 01:04:44,559
All right.
Find my agenda again. Uh next on the

828
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:48,880
agenda, some subdivision and land
development issues. The first And I'll

829
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:54,799
let Todd kind of lead into each of
these, but the first is at 2894 Holly

830
01:04:51,680 --> 01:05:00,000
Road. So modification request and a
final division plan since we have a lot

831
01:04:57,119 --> 01:05:05,119
of new people with modification request
is a builder may come in and say, I know

832
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:09,599
your ordinance requires this, but I
believe I have a good case for asking

833
01:05:07,119 --> 01:05:14,960
you to give me some wave. It might be
sidewalks or curves. Um, it makes sense,

834
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:20,400
we do that. If it doesn't make sense, we
must pull them to the coordinates. These

835
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:25,520
have already been reviewed by our
professional staff. They're people we

836
01:05:22,559 --> 01:05:30,400
contract and engineer, planning officer,
and so forth. They've been approved and

837
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:34,960
they've been looked at by our planning
commission. And one of the things we ask

838
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:41,280
Todd as we go through this, are these
recommended by uh for approval by staff

839
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:45,839
and by planning commission?
>> Okay. Okay, the first plan uh we have is

840
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:53,680
on the corner of Country Club Road and
Holly Road. Um, of course, the dark blue

841
01:05:49,839 --> 01:05:58,720
lines is what's proposed and all it is
is an adjustment of a lot line because

842
01:05:56,160 --> 01:06:03,520
currently this property, their lot line
comes over to this point. So, what

843
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:06,720
they're doing is selling some property
to this homeowner. So, they have a

844
01:06:05,119 --> 01:06:10,880
little larger lot.
>> Um, so there's no new development

845
01:06:08,799 --> 01:06:15,760
proposed or anything.
Um the uh first thing you see there,

846
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:19,920
there's two modification requests. One
is for roadway improvements, widening,

847
01:06:17,599 --> 01:06:24,799
and so forth, and the other one is for
curbs. Uh staff as well as the township

848
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:28,480
planning commission recommend to the
board that you grant those modification

849
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:32,720
requests. Again, because they're
existing properties, existing dwellings,

850
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:36,079
and there's no development proposed.
>> Is there anything outstanding on the

851
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:39,839
August 20th CS Davidson letter? Yeah,
we'll need to do that as a separate

852
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:44,240
motion. But if you approve the plan, um
I would make that conditioned upon all

853
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:47,839
the comments in the CSDavidson review
letter dated August 20th, 20125.

854
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:51,039
» I'm sorry.
>> be addressed prior to recording.

855
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:53,200
» I I jumped ahead.
>> That's all right.

856
01:06:51,680 --> 01:07:01,039
» Um make a motion to approve the
modification request for

857
01:06:56,000 --> 01:07:03,839
2894 Holly Road and 13432 Holly Road.
>> Second.

858
01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:07,839
» I have a motion in a second to approve
the modifications. questions before we

859
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:08,880
vote. Call for vote.
>> I

860
01:07:08,319 --> 01:07:09,760
» I
>> I

861
01:07:09,359 --> 01:07:14,160
» I
>> I votes to the affirmative. The

862
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:16,960
modifications are approved. Next, we're
looking at the final subdivision

863
01:07:15,599 --> 01:07:23,039
approval.
>> Make a motion to approve conditional

864
01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:26,319
upon the outstanding items on the August
20th, 2025 CS Davidson letter have been

865
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:32,400
met.
>> Second motion and a second to approve

866
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:35,440
the final subdivision plan.
>> Questions? Call for the vote. I

867
01:07:34,799 --> 01:07:37,520
» I
>> I

868
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:41,200
» I
>> Can I just clarify? Is everything

869
01:07:39,039 --> 01:07:44,559
addressed? I think everything's been
>> I believe it has. I'll have to check

870
01:07:42,799 --> 01:07:47,280
with with Megan tomorrow.
>> Okay.

871
01:07:47,039 --> 01:07:51,581
So,
>> sorry you didn't get to talk.

872
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:51,581
» That's perfect. [laughter]

873
01:07:51,599 --> 01:07:58,640
Sometimes that happens.
>> All right. We have a

874
01:07:56,400 --> 01:08:04,559
second one which is modification request
on the final land development plan. One,

875
01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:07,520
two, two, court.
>> Yeah, I'll I'll pull your plan up here.

876
01:08:06,559 --> 01:08:10,880
So,
>> after all the work she put in on that

877
01:08:09,839 --> 01:08:13,839
board,
>> I have a feeling I have a feeling she

878
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:16,839
won't I have a feeling she won't be
disappointed.

879
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:24,960
» Um, again, I I'll I'll just do the quick
overview like we do, but you feel free

880
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:30,640
to interject and add anything if you
wish. Um,

881
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:37,120
this one here is, uh, it's an existing
farm. Uh, Mr. and Mrs. Petri own it.

882
01:08:33,839 --> 01:08:44,239
It's at the end of Deal Court. Uh, this
is Interstate 83.

883
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:46,960
Um, what they're proposing is a um,
poultry barn.

884
01:08:46,159 --> 01:08:50,799
» Chicken house.
>> Chicken house. Poultry.

885
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:56,319
» Sorry, I was translated.
>> A a chicken house. Um

886
01:08:54,159 --> 01:09:01,120
anyway, it has been through staff
several times and and we worked out all

887
01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:05,920
the details and the kinks and so forth.
Um and it did end up going to the

888
01:09:03,199 --> 01:09:12,319
township planning commission meeting.
The modification request that you have

889
01:09:08,159 --> 01:09:17,520
before you um includes uh waving the
requirement for a preliminary plan and

890
01:09:14,719 --> 01:09:22,960
going directly to the final uh the
embankment width. Um and as well as a

891
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:27,920
paved drive.
Uh again, this is at the end of Deal

892
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:31,920
Court, which is a dead end road. Um
everything passes past the Petri's

893
01:09:30,239 --> 01:09:35,040
Farmhouse.
Um and then this is Interstate 83.

894
01:09:35,018 --> 01:09:39,520
» [clears throat]
>> there's no residential developments in

895
01:09:37,279 --> 01:09:43,199
in close proximity to the property. So,
we did not think given that it's

896
01:09:40,799 --> 01:09:47,839
agricultural that it necessitated a
paved driveway. Uh so, for those

897
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:53,040
reasons, again, township planning
commission and township staff recommends

898
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:58,000
to the board of supervisors that you
approve the modification request.

899
01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:59,840
» Did you get that second one, too? Was
there only two there?

900
01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:07,159
» Uh, it's three.
>> Three. the preliminary plan, the

901
01:10:02,159 --> 01:10:07,159
embankment width, and the pave drive.

902
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:16,159
» Make a motion to approve the U
modification request for

903
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:20,800
12283 deals.
>> Second.

904
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:23,760
» Is that going to be continued on
review by

905
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:27,199
» the the final?
>> That's the final.

906
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:35,199
» All right.
>> How many chickens does this

907
01:10:31,440 --> 01:10:39,920
I'll let you answer that.
>> We're building it for the capacity of

908
01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:43,440
80,000 white laying heads.
>> 80,000.

909
01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:45,840
» It's a lot of chickens.
>> Yep.

910
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:52,159
» Very nice.
>> I I normally wear a Royal Farms hoodie,

911
01:10:49,033 --> 01:10:56,679
[laughter] so respect.
>> How do you manage odor control?

912
01:10:56,880 --> 01:11:03,040
» Chickens will smell like chickens. It's
true.

913
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:06,774
» It smells better than pigs.
>> That's stupid. [laughter]

914
01:11:08,239 --> 01:11:12,960
» Chickens.
There's only a certain amount that we

915
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:16,400
can do.
>> For the record, your name.

916
01:11:14,159 --> 01:11:17,840
» My name's D Petri. That's my wife,
Ellen.

917
01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:19,520
» Okay.
>> And this farm

918
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:23,600
» I knew that I just
>> This farm in question is directly across

919
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:27,920
Interstate 83 from here, which is
perhaps Mr. Rogers is concerned about

920
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:32,320
theater.
I've planned I am currently living

921
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:36,080
downwind for the planned building
location

922
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:39,920
where we moved from. We had a chicken
house

923
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:44,719
probably 100 ft away from our
residential house. Some days it smells,

924
01:11:42,719 --> 01:11:49,520
but we survive. We've got to eat
children. They're all healthy. As far as

925
01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:54,000
how we control that odor,
there's a number of things and it all

926
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:58,960
ties into managing a chicken house for
economic profit. We maintain the

927
01:11:56,400 --> 01:12:04,400
ventilation. We try to keep the manure
as dry as possible. This plan, if done,

928
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:09,600
the chicken house will have a manure
storage area at the end of the chicken

929
01:12:06,239 --> 01:12:15,760
house directly in line with the exhaust
fans. Keeping the manure dry is

930
01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:19,840
essential for various reasons. Odor,
keeping the ammonia down, keeping your

931
01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:26,800
flies down.
It all benefits me. Healthy chickens,

932
01:12:22,159 --> 01:12:34,400
happy chickens, more money occasionally.
At 80,000 birds, that sounds like a lot.

933
01:12:31,199 --> 01:12:40,320
We have two other laying houses that we
manage. Both of them have capacity for

934
01:12:37,440 --> 01:12:42,719
86,000, which puts us up over the cave
level.

935
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:47,600
» Are they on different properties?
>> They're on different properties. They're

936
01:12:45,199 --> 01:12:50,480
not here locally.
It sounds like a lot of chickens and

937
01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:55,199
manage, but after a while you get used
to it. I look at you guys, your job, I

938
01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:59,600
think I couldn't keep track of all the
legal stuff. You sit here, it becomes

939
01:12:57,040 --> 01:13:05,679
second nature to you.
We're a familyun operation. We have no

940
01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:12,640
employees. It's just me and my children.
And that's the way we'd like to keep it.

941
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:17,120
Just interest. That's why I ask. That's
perfectly fine. I realize people think

942
01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:22,800
chicken houses and immediately it goes
odors, flies, dust,

943
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:26,560
and I agree all those things are present
in a chicken house. It's just part of

944
01:13:24,480 --> 01:13:33,840
the nature. But we do our best to try
and limit it. And I will agree it still

945
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:36,480
smells better than pigs any
disagree.

946
01:13:35,406 --> 01:13:39,440
[laughter]
>> Uh do do we have a second for my motion?

947
01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:43,199
» I'll second.
>> Thanks, B.

948
01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:46,080
» Any other questions?
satisfied. Yeah.

949
01:13:45,199 --> 01:13:47,520
» Call for the vote.
>> I

950
01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:49,760
» I
>> I

951
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:54,960
» I motion to affirmative. We have
approved the three modifications that

952
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:59,120
were requested. Now we will move on to
approval of the final subdivision plan.

953
01:13:57,199 --> 01:14:05,280
» Make a motion to approve the final
subdivision for 12283 deal court

954
01:14:02,480 --> 01:14:10,719
contingent upon all outstanding items on
the May 30th, 2025 CSD Davidson letter

955
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:15,360
have been satisfied.
>> Thanks, Bob. A motion in a second.

956
01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:16,320
Questions before we vote. Call for the
vote.

957
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:19,920
» I
>> I

958
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:25,199
votes for
>> I'm really trying to hurry. [laughter]

959
01:14:22,480 --> 01:14:28,320
» Now we have five to
approve the final subdivision as well.

960
01:14:27,679 --> 01:14:31,760
» Thank you.
>> Thank you.

961
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:36,320
» Um I guess this is our first process
with your township. Would we be getting

962
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:41,920
a message from Megan about when to get
the plan? Yeah, what we'll do is we're

963
01:14:38,239 --> 01:14:46,800
required within 15 days to send out a uh
conditional approval letter and then u

964
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:50,800
Mr. Petri or yourself representing them
will need to respond accepting the

965
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:54,400
conditions and the conditions will be
that everything's addressed on this CSD

966
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:57,040
Davidson letter and we'll outline what
those items are.

967
01:14:55,840 --> 01:15:01,120
» So just watch for that.
>> All right, sounds good. Thank you.

968
01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:05,679
» Yep.
>> Thank you.

969
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:10,239
I know since there are some first time
people, we're glad to see that. If you

970
01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:14,400
have questions of what we're doing and
how we're doing it, don't be afraid to

971
01:15:12,159 --> 01:15:18,960
ask us and try to explain a little bit,
but also keep moving, too. Please feel

972
01:15:17,760 --> 01:15:24,320
free.
>> So, we move from there to some

973
01:15:21,199 --> 01:15:30,320
subdivision. And again, this is where
that word subdivision can be confusing

974
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:36,400
because it can apply to subdividing land
or it can apply to approving um

975
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:41,840
buildings or housing or something. So,
we're going to move now to um

976
01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:45,199
um land development when there's a
modification request. Oh, wait a minute.

977
01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:47,760
We just did that.
>> No, we're on the uh

978
01:15:46,239 --> 01:15:52,640
» Yer.
>> So, we are now looking at uh actually

979
01:15:50,480 --> 01:15:59,280
what came up earlier. We're looking at
the Miller farm and

980
01:15:56,640 --> 01:16:03,760
yeah, so um the the three modifications
that are requested are the feasibility

981
01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:08,320
study for water facilities, feasibility
study for sanitary sewer facilities, and

982
01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:12,239
the installation of curb and sidewalks.
And again, the reason for all three of

983
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:16,080
these modification requests is due to
the fact it's simply a subdivision of

984
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:21,440
land. There is no development proposed
and and none can happen with this.

985
01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:25,920
So even though it's the township buying
this land, we have to hold ourselves to

986
01:16:23,440 --> 01:16:32,640
the same ordinance requirements. We make
no exceptions there.

987
01:16:28,719 --> 01:16:36,640
» Other questions to um Todd at this time
or is there a motion?

988
01:16:33,679 --> 01:16:41,760
» I'll make a motion for the modification
request for 660 Stberry Road.

989
01:16:39,679 --> 01:16:47,679
» Second. So, we have a motion and a
second for the three modification

990
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:53,679
requests and this would be the Miller
Park expansion. So, just help everybody

991
01:16:50,480 --> 01:16:56,159
understand it. Questions before we vote?
I'll call for the vote. I

992
01:16:55,600 --> 01:16:59,120
» I
>> I

993
01:16:57,199 --> 01:17:05,840
» I
have approved those three.

994
01:17:02,719 --> 01:17:09,840
» And on the plan, if the board uh makes
conditional approval instead of the CSD

995
01:17:08,159 --> 01:17:13,679
Davidson review letter, this one in
particular is the York County Planning

996
01:17:11,440 --> 01:17:18,719
Commission review letter dated October
3rd of 2025.

997
01:17:16,719 --> 01:17:23,440
» But we don't need to do that yet because
we're

998
01:17:20,480 --> 01:17:28,800
only doing the modifications. Correct.
Oh, did you not vote on those yet?

999
01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:34,480
» We we we just approved the modification.
>> Yeah. So, I'm I'm at the

1000
01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:37,920
» thing about a uh Hold on.
>> Yeah. I don't have anything about a

1001
01:17:36,159 --> 01:17:41,679
final for Miller
>> for for the uh the comments for the for

1002
01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:44,400
the Miller.
>> Correct. Yeah, it was only modification

1003
01:17:43,600 --> 01:17:47,360
request.
>> Yeah, you have you have the plan.

1004
01:17:46,239 --> 01:17:52,960
» Got the plan.
>> Okay.

1005
01:17:50,320 --> 01:17:57,679
the the comments um they're all
administrative that are outstanding and

1006
01:17:55,120 --> 01:18:00,560
it's not a CSD Davidson review letter.
It's a York County Planning Commission

1007
01:17:59,360 --> 01:18:05,440
review letter.
>> We need to modify the motion we have.

1008
01:18:04,480 --> 01:18:07,679
» Yeah. Yes.
>> Include that.

1009
01:18:06,159 --> 01:18:10,400
» You're talking about the plan, correct?
Not the modifications.

1010
01:18:08,719 --> 01:18:14,239
» We haven't gotten to the plan yet.
>> No, I you

1011
01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:16,239
» we're fine for the modifications.
>> Right.

1012
01:18:14,480 --> 01:18:18,960
» Did you vote on the modifications?
You're done and over. We're on the plan.

1013
01:18:18,159 --> 01:18:22,080
Correct.
>> Okay.

1014
01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:24,960
» So, if you make a motion and a second
and vote on the plan,

1015
01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:27,520
» you're right. I'm sorry.
>> It needs to be conditional upon the York

1016
01:18:26,480 --> 01:18:30,560
County Planning Commission.
>> Correct. October 3rd.

1017
01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:33,520
» October 3rd, 2025.
>> Yes.

1018
01:18:31,440 --> 01:18:35,920
» Um, so moved.
>> Okay.

1019
01:18:34,239 --> 01:18:41,360
» Second.
>> So, we have a motion in the second that

1020
01:18:38,239 --> 01:18:46,880
we approve the minor subdivision plan
conditional upon the outstanding issues

1021
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:53,199
and the York County Planning Commission.
What? from October 3rd, 2025.

1022
01:18:49,360 --> 01:18:55,600
» Thank you. October 3rd, 2025.
>> I said so move so I would have to say it

1023
01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:57,679
all again.
>> That's all right.

1024
01:18:56,239 --> 01:19:00,880
» We got there.
>> Okay. So you your motion stands.

1025
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:05,199
» Thank you.
>> I second it.

1026
01:19:02,320 --> 01:19:06,480
» Second question.
>> So move.

1027
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:08,239
» I
>> I

1028
01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:12,960
» I
>> I move the affirmative. We've approved

1029
01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:16,664
that. Thanks for keeping us straight.
>> You're right.

1030
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:21,040
» Tim left early. We could have used that.
>> [clears throat]

1031
01:19:17,199 --> 01:19:26,480
» the the next two um item D and E are
simply reapprovals which is a time

1032
01:19:23,440 --> 01:19:30,239
reapproval because if you recall after
the board conditionally approves it has

1033
01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:35,280
to be recorded within 90 days otherwise
the board has to reapprove it. Um so

1034
01:19:33,440 --> 01:19:40,159
there's still a couple of administrative
items that need addressed in both of

1035
01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:43,600
these plans. Um you can if you wish you
could do that just in one motion for

1036
01:19:41,920 --> 01:19:47,440
both of those plans for an additional
90day

1037
01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:49,520
» for 20 2446 town and for Phantom.
>> Correct.

1038
01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:51,760
» And that's for an additional 90-day
approval.

1039
01:19:50,080 --> 01:20:00,000
» Correct.
>> Make motion to extend an additional 90

1040
01:19:55,440 --> 01:20:05,199
days for 2446 Htown Road and Phantom
Fireworks.

1041
01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:11,360
» Second. I have a motion and second to
extend the approval by Approval process

1042
01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:12,400
questions vote.
>> I

1043
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:13,440
» I
>> I

1044
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:21,360
» I
>> I defer those plans are reapproved

1045
01:20:18,719 --> 01:20:26,239
and all the reports believe that now
brings us to reports

1046
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:30,880
and the manager reports in front of you.
Todd, anything you want to add to it?

1047
01:20:28,480 --> 01:20:36,000
» Uh not really unless anyone has any
questions. Um of course you talked about

1048
01:20:34,159 --> 01:20:40,560
grants and so forth. We actually have
five different projects that are open uh

1049
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:48,159
from park improvements to curb and
sidewalk to the Miller Park. Um the

1050
01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:52,640
the two of them are Hangtown Park
playground improvements as well as Windy

1051
01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:58,880
Hill Park improvements, which is the
addition of a pavilion. Um those are

1052
01:20:55,679 --> 01:21:03,600
both moving forward and anticipate to be
completed by middle of December.

1053
01:21:01,360 --> 01:21:08,159
» A lot of piles of dirt and construction
going on as you drove in here. So that's

1054
01:21:06,080 --> 01:21:11,120
the Htown Park approvements all
>> probably too dark then. But

1055
01:21:10,400 --> 01:21:17,520
» what's that?
>> Probably too dark at that time. But

1056
01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:23,440
» but other than that
>> the sidewalk,

1057
01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:28,640
» where are we on the sidewalk grant?
>> Um the engineer, uh Jeff Shu, CSD

1058
01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:33,760
Davidson, they're still doing surveying.
They're they're working on getting plans

1059
01:21:30,320 --> 01:21:38,000
together, but um he anticipates that
he'll have everything shovel ready as

1060
01:21:36,080 --> 01:21:43,040
far as the plans and bid specs and
everything, but we're probably looking

1061
01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:45,600
at uh 2027 before we actually go out for
bid in the spring and construction that

1062
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:49,760
summer.
>> And um for the public's benefit, this is

1063
01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:53,440
going to be sidewalks connecting what to
what?

1064
01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:57,280
» Yeah, this is to connect.
We have the new Royal Farms. We have the

1065
01:21:55,280 --> 01:22:03,840
Audi's. They have curbon sidewalk.
There's curbon sidewalk on under 83. Um,

1066
01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:08,000
but going up Wolf Road toward um the
Burger King and Cracker Barrel,

1067
01:22:06,239 --> 01:22:13,360
whatever. There's no sidewalk on the
whole way up there. And of course from

1068
01:22:10,239 --> 01:22:16,800
83 up to Mount Eerie Road and up in
front of the Walmart and so forth,

1069
01:22:14,800 --> 01:22:21,600
there's no curb sidewalk. So, this
project would curb and sidewalk the rest

1070
01:22:19,440 --> 01:22:26,320
of that area. And to give you an
example, that's a million dollar

1071
01:22:23,360 --> 01:22:32,639
project. We have received two grants
that cover the bulk of that cost and we

1072
01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:37,280
are seeking a third one that we think we
have a good chance of being successful

1073
01:22:34,560 --> 01:22:42,880
with that would require or would cover
all the costs. If it doesn't, then we'll

1074
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:48,880
probably appeal to some of the merchants
along the way to help fund it. We can

1075
01:22:45,199 --> 01:22:53,199
require that. Um, but we're we will try
to do it on a voluntary basis rather

1076
01:22:51,199 --> 01:22:57,040
than enforce it. But one way or another,
we should get most of that covered. And

1077
01:22:55,199 --> 01:23:00,719
I believe the two grants for the park,
Hang Town, was that a matching?

1078
01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:05,920
» Yeah, Hangtown. [clears throat]
Um, for the two parks, we received uh

1079
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:11,440
$493,000
toward those two.

1080
01:23:08,080 --> 01:23:15,920
And for the urban sidewalk project, we
received grants to date totaling

1081
01:23:13,280 --> 01:23:20,000
$760,000.
Um then a Miller Park already talked

1082
01:23:17,920 --> 01:23:24,560
about that. And then we have a matching
grant to do that master plan update for

1083
01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:28,080
Miller Park
>> if if this materializes with the land

1084
01:23:26,719 --> 01:23:31,440
purchase. So
>> and these these grants come from

1085
01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:37,199
different places. They might come from
your county. They can come from some of

1086
01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:39,360
the conservation districts. They can
and the casino.

1087
01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:44,960
» So the first thing is
>> some of it's casino funds grants.

1088
01:23:43,280 --> 01:23:50,080
» So the the first thing is we need to
make ourselves aware that those grant

1089
01:23:47,440 --> 01:23:54,239
potentials are out there and then
hopefully we're smarter than the other

1090
01:23:51,679 --> 01:23:58,880
people applying and can be successful
and um we've been very successful. We

1091
01:23:56,639 --> 01:24:06,320
feel good about that in our projects. I
see more and more people I think

1092
01:24:01,120 --> 01:24:10,960
hazardly walking along um 851 from
somewhere down around 83 up and around

1093
01:24:08,639 --> 01:24:15,600
and that's pretty dangerous place to go.
So that's been a high priority. We

1094
01:24:12,960 --> 01:24:21,120
actually tried to get that grant for
what three years joined with Shrewberry

1095
01:24:19,440 --> 01:24:25,360
which would allow them to go into the
burrow and we were not successful. Last

1096
01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:30,000
year we said we're going to try one more
time. the borrow said we're not and we

1097
01:24:28,400 --> 01:24:34,880
were successful and it may be because
the dollar value was less by not

1098
01:24:32,719 --> 01:24:42,080
combining with the burrow and hopefully
they'll have success on their own as

1099
01:24:37,679 --> 01:24:48,719
well but again uh a lot of kudos to Todd
because he's the person we did for the

1100
01:24:44,880 --> 01:24:52,960
sidewalks he's actually a specialist in
grant writing because we saw that amount

1101
01:24:50,719 --> 01:24:58,000
of money uh we needed a little help
along the way so I am corrected Right.

1102
01:24:57,120 --> 01:25:00,800
» Yes.
>> Yeah.

1103
01:24:58,560 --> 01:25:06,000
» And it was our engineering firm CS Davis
and the NASA firms and I think they

1104
01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:11,360
helped us be successful in that.
>> Anything else on your report or any

1105
01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:17,440
questions that anybody has?
Uh you note that we are hosting an ELAP

1106
01:25:14,639 --> 01:25:22,960
class on November 13th on local road
safety. Um I think there's probably

1107
01:25:20,719 --> 01:25:27,239
positions if anybody wants to attend
that. And you know I think it's here.

1108
01:25:27,679 --> 01:25:34,560
» You have in front of you the zoning
officer code enforcement report group of

1109
01:25:32,480 --> 01:25:39,199
the board spent some time in detail
going over this earlier. I don't know if

1110
01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:44,400
there are any other questions on it or
not. Anything wants to emphasize?

1111
01:25:42,159 --> 01:25:49,199
» No, nothing additional.
>> It's a rather lengthy report that tells

1112
01:25:46,480 --> 01:25:54,239
us um what's happening in code
enforcement, sewage enforcement, zoning

1113
01:25:51,520 --> 01:25:58,880
enforcement, and allows us to track it
and make sure things are moving and

1114
01:25:56,080 --> 01:26:04,734
we're aware of what's going on. Quite a
few pages to that report.

1115
01:26:02,400 --> 01:26:07,360
Um, we also get a report from
[clears throat]

1116
01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:11,679
uh maintenance, our own maintenance
department.

1117
01:26:09,040 --> 01:26:13,440
Anything in there that you probably want
to address the speed study. Anything

1118
01:26:13,199 --> 01:26:16,719
else?
>> Yeah. The only thing I'll just uh

1119
01:26:14,960 --> 01:26:22,080
quickly mention here, Stealth Road,
which is for background, can you kind of

1120
01:26:19,280 --> 01:26:25,760
couple words to the people that are um
we did a we have the capability of doing

1121
01:26:24,159 --> 01:26:29,040
a speed study. Some of you folks may
have already seen it where we have the

1122
01:26:27,120 --> 01:26:33,679
signs along the road and it flashes what
your speed is.

1123
01:26:30,719 --> 01:26:36,719
um we get when we get complaints about
speeding or whatever, we'll go out to

1124
01:26:35,199 --> 01:26:42,239
that particular area. We'll set up the
the radar signs in both directions and

1125
01:26:39,360 --> 01:26:47,440
for about two weeks, we don't monitor um
with the display just to get a base of

1126
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:51,360
what the speed is. Um but we have found
as long as we've been doing them now for

1127
01:26:49,040 --> 01:26:55,360
probably two years at least, if not
longer. It's really interesting because

1128
01:26:53,679 --> 01:26:59,440
you have two weeks where you don't have
the display showing.

1129
01:26:57,679 --> 01:27:03,440
And when you start showing the display,
believe it or not, really doesn't make

1130
01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:08,270
any difference. On average, it reduces
per week about one mile per hour. So, if

1131
01:27:06,400 --> 01:27:12,639
it's flashing at you, it doesn't matter.
[laughter] So, doesn't seem to standing

1132
01:27:11,360 --> 01:27:17,679
next to you found that.
>> Um, but what we normally do is a six

1133
01:27:14,480 --> 01:27:22,000
week study. Um, and what does it does
the average daily count of vehicles, uh,

1134
01:27:20,159 --> 01:27:29,199
what the average speed is and what the
85th percentile speed is. And um if it's

1135
01:27:26,560 --> 01:27:33,280
a township road, we could, you know,
potentially adjust the speed limit

1136
01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:37,760
signs. If it's a state road, we could
make a request to PennDOT, but they must

1137
01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:42,719
do the traffic study and determine
whether or not that they'll change the

1138
01:27:39,280 --> 01:27:46,239
signage. Um so at minimum, what we'll
do, and what we will do with this one,

1139
01:27:44,320 --> 01:27:50,000
because it does indicate a little bit of
a speeding issue,

1140
01:27:47,760 --> 01:27:55,520
» we do notify the Pennsylvania State
Police uh of the location. and we share

1141
01:27:52,880 --> 01:28:00,800
our results and then they usually show
some presents for a little while to help

1142
01:27:58,000 --> 01:28:08,480
try to curb that. But uh this was on
Stealth Road uh route 851 between

1143
01:28:03,760 --> 01:28:15,760
birthday club road and road. The posted
speed limit is 40 miles per hour. Um on

1144
01:28:13,440 --> 01:28:22,239
the westbound lane
um the 85th percentile was 48 miles per

1145
01:28:18,639 --> 01:28:30,639
hour over the this was actually a 7we
study and then on the eastbound heading

1146
01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:35,840
toward road that 85th percentile was 52
miles per hour and again it's posted at

1147
01:28:32,880 --> 01:28:41,199
40. So we will pass this information
along to the state police and ask them

1148
01:28:38,560 --> 01:28:48,320
to show some presence. I think a
particular concern is that um westbound

1149
01:28:44,880 --> 01:28:56,480
six or 6% of the cars exceeded 50 miles
an hour and eastbound 21% of the

1150
01:28:52,719 --> 01:29:01,920
vehicles exceeded 50 mph. And that's a
total of 46,000 vehicles in one

1151
01:28:59,520 --> 01:29:06,719
direction and 39,000 in the other
direction. So it's probably only the

1152
01:29:04,560 --> 01:29:11,520
third one we've done that says we need
to try to have the police look at this.

1153
01:29:09,120 --> 01:29:18,239
We do not You may or may not know, we do
not have a regional police force here.

1154
01:29:14,719 --> 01:29:22,320
The burrows that surround us do. Um, you
see your tax bill really go up if we do

1155
01:29:20,719 --> 01:29:26,480
participate. It's about a million
dollars a year. State police are pretty

1156
01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:31,040
good. They will follow up and request
it. They come to a couple of our

1157
01:29:28,159 --> 01:29:35,679
meetings each uh year to ask kind of
what's going on, what's happening. Not a

1158
01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:40,800
lot of crime here. Most of it is here is
at the Walmart. And it's as many fights

1159
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:47,040
in the parking lot as it is people, you
know, stealing stuff from the store.

1160
01:29:43,760 --> 01:29:52,560
» But anyway, that's kind of what we do
with with that. So you will you also um

1161
01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:58,560
provide a copy of this to the people
that bought that.

1162
01:29:55,440 --> 01:30:02,280
» On that space, we had eight of them 81
to 85 mile.

1163
01:30:03,760 --> 01:30:10,880
That seems a little excessive.
>> I might have driven past that a couple

1164
01:30:08,320 --> 01:30:14,960
of weeks ago doing 50.
>> And it's a sight restricted, too. It's

1165
01:30:13,199 --> 01:30:19,440
you can't see.
>> That's one where we put the school bus.

1166
01:30:17,280 --> 01:30:22,400
» Yeah. 80 is excessive.
>> Yeah.

1167
01:30:20,320 --> 01:30:27,280
» All right. Thanks, Todd. Anything else?
>> No.

1168
01:30:24,800 --> 01:30:32,560
We have the report from CS Davidson who
is our contracted engineer and it's a

1169
01:30:30,639 --> 01:30:38,080
several pages of things that he's
involved in in tracking and keeps us up

1170
01:30:34,639 --> 01:30:42,960
to date. Um questions that anybody has.
He's usually very thorough in this

1171
01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:49,920
information.
Um recreation commission for again few

1172
01:30:47,360 --> 01:30:56,800
people that are still here. We joined
with New Freedom Burrow to establish a

1173
01:30:54,080 --> 01:31:01,760
joint recreation commission. Again,
another grant was involved. We received

1174
01:30:59,280 --> 01:31:05,760
what's what's the grant called? A um
>> circuit rider.

1175
01:31:02,639 --> 01:31:12,159
» Circuit rider. So, for four years, we
have a grant that covers the cost of us

1176
01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:20,400
hiring a recreation director. Uh full
salary the first year, 75%, 50%, 25%,

1177
01:31:17,360 --> 01:31:25,840
and then nothing. years and the goal is
that they will establish new programs

1178
01:31:22,880 --> 01:31:32,480
and be able to basically justify their
existence five years from now. Um so

1179
01:31:29,440 --> 01:31:39,040
that's been about a year and a half and
the uh initial director we hired um got

1180
01:31:37,040 --> 01:31:45,440
married, moved out of the area and had
some other opportunity. So we're in the

1181
01:31:41,600 --> 01:31:51,120
process now of hiring um a new rec
director. I believe we have

1182
01:31:48,560 --> 01:31:55,280
of interview set up for a little bit
later this month to interview several

1183
01:31:53,760 --> 01:32:01,679
people. We were fortunate to get some
people fairly qualified. Um Jeff Rol is

1184
01:31:59,520 --> 01:32:06,000
our representative from the board to
that commission. Uh there's a

1185
01:32:03,600 --> 01:32:12,159
representative from
Burrow and there are two other

1186
01:32:08,239 --> 01:32:20,000
representatives or four from the
>> two or three. That's three plus.

1187
01:32:16,719 --> 01:32:25,199
Yeah. And it's three uh one council
member and three residents for new free.

1188
01:32:22,719 --> 01:32:30,000
» Did I miss anything in reporting?
>> We didn't have any minutes or anything

1189
01:32:27,040 --> 01:32:36,639
from the last meeting because of Gina
not not having Gina things have not been

1190
01:32:33,679 --> 01:32:40,960
a whole lot happen.
>> Trying to keep some things going and

1191
01:32:38,960 --> 01:32:45,840
look forward to getting a new director.
get some new energy in that.

1192
01:32:43,840 --> 01:32:49,280
» I don't think we have anybody from fire
and EMS. I don't know that we have

1193
01:32:48,400 --> 01:32:52,880
anything.
>> No, I just want to update on the

1194
01:32:50,639 --> 01:32:57,840
markets. Um they're making a lot of
improvements. Uh you know, for safety

1195
01:32:56,560 --> 01:33:01,120
» to the emergency exits
>> to the emergency exits. The the doors

1196
01:32:59,920 --> 01:33:04,000
have all been addressed.
>> Good.

1197
01:33:01,600 --> 01:33:09,760
» Um they're doing a lot of other work as
far as some lighting, uh fire pull arms

1198
01:33:07,679 --> 01:33:13,600
and so forth. They're not required to do
that because they're a pre-existing

1199
01:33:11,199 --> 01:33:16,719
building, but they're voluntarily doing
that. So, they've been very good to work

1200
01:33:15,840 --> 01:33:21,679
with.
>> This is the market of Shrewsbury, which

1201
01:33:18,639 --> 01:33:26,560
is the outage market up the road. The
fire department had done some inspection

1202
01:33:23,520 --> 01:33:30,159
and found doors blocked and things like
that. They came to the township and

1203
01:33:28,719 --> 01:33:34,800
asked for help because it's something
that our building and code inspector can

1204
01:33:32,639 --> 01:33:41,199
can enforce. I'd say they've been very
cooperative in correcting. I was saying

1205
01:33:38,080 --> 01:33:45,280
the uh uh Shrewsbury Burough Fire
Department said they wouldn't go into

1206
01:33:42,880 --> 01:33:50,320
it. Correct. In its current state.
>> What have what happens if it really gets

1207
01:33:47,440 --> 01:33:55,520
bad? They issue a um do not enter where
no fire department will go in to because

1208
01:33:53,199 --> 01:33:59,760
of the hazards that's in there. So they
have been under that status. This last

1209
01:33:57,360 --> 01:34:03,920
time they did go to that they were
>> Yeah, those have been lifted.

1210
01:34:01,600 --> 01:34:10,560
» They've been lifted. I I believe p
primarily it was because emergency exits

1211
01:34:07,040 --> 01:34:15,360
were blocked or unable to be exited and
in the event of an emergency the way

1212
01:34:12,560 --> 01:34:17,920
Brad explained it before um they need to
be able to get out if the building's

1213
01:34:16,800 --> 01:34:21,760
coming down they need to know where
those exits are. So if they're unable

1214
01:34:20,000 --> 01:34:27,120
to, they're blocked or they're locked
and unable. Um he wasn't going to send

1215
01:34:24,320 --> 01:34:31,840
his people in um to
>> direct that comes from York County.

1216
01:34:28,960 --> 01:34:36,960
Nobody is allowed to enter.
>> Not the public, but the fire department

1217
01:34:34,880 --> 01:34:43,920
that it there
you have anything for us?

1218
01:34:39,760 --> 01:34:47,560
We have an emergency manage manager.
Let me start over.

1219
01:34:47,760 --> 01:34:54,080
What is that? title management
coordinator.

1220
01:34:50,560 --> 01:34:58,239
» I am uh Stan Walters. I live I live at
26 Essex Circle Drive in Shrewsbury

1221
01:34:56,400 --> 01:35:01,520
Burough and I am your appointed
emergency management coordinator.

1222
01:35:00,400 --> 01:35:08,560
» There it is.
>> Uh we do have a regional EMA. So, um,

1223
01:35:05,679 --> 01:35:13,760
originally I was the EMC for Shrewsbury
Burrow and then your volunteer uh

1224
01:35:11,040 --> 01:35:19,280
departed for some reason or another and
Todd sought uh council from Cindy at the

1225
01:35:17,040 --> 01:35:24,239
burrow and said, "Who's your emergency
management coordinator?" And then, uh, I

1226
01:35:22,159 --> 01:35:29,360
agreed to become your appointed
coordinator if you would pursue

1227
01:35:26,400 --> 01:35:34,400
regionalization. So today we have a
regional emergency management agency

1228
01:35:31,760 --> 01:35:38,719
that comprises the township and all four
of the bureaus previously mentioned that

1229
01:35:36,239 --> 01:35:44,320
are encapsulated in it. And that allows
us to have a single plan uh single

1230
01:35:41,520 --> 01:35:48,800
staff. We're very fortunate to have two
emergency operations centers. one

1231
01:35:46,400 --> 01:35:55,360
located here at the township building
and the other one uh is the Shrewsbury

1232
01:35:51,600 --> 01:35:59,920
Burough uh council room turns into an
emergency operations center when we open

1233
01:35:57,440 --> 01:36:04,560
all the cabinets at at one end of it.
And if anybody would like to see that,

1234
01:36:01,679 --> 01:36:08,080
they can uh contact the municipality
they live in and they can get a hold of

1235
01:36:06,239 --> 01:36:13,679
me. I'm happy to give tours and show
people uh the the emergency operations

1236
01:36:11,760 --> 01:36:18,080
centers and give a brief overview of
what we do. uh tonight you should have

1237
01:36:15,920 --> 01:36:20,639
before you I I know it was a last minute
this afternoon a report so I don't know

1238
01:36:20,159 --> 01:36:23,679
if Todd
>> so they do not have it in front of you.

1239
01:36:22,000 --> 01:36:28,800
» Okay. All right. So Todd didn't have a
chance to uh we can access.

1240
01:36:26,880 --> 01:36:34,560
» So just to review it. So during the
month of October uh our drought

1241
01:36:31,199 --> 01:36:39,760
conditions uh not only return but they
worsened from what they were. I know I

1242
01:36:37,360 --> 01:36:43,600
know a lot of people uh probably have a
misconception of well we had two inches

1243
01:36:41,520 --> 01:36:48,719
of rain last week but that that's not
enough to alleviate a drought. U so when

1244
01:36:46,639 --> 01:36:53,920
you do get the report you'll have a map
that is produced uh by the state uh

1245
01:36:52,159 --> 01:37:00,800
showing the condition we're in. It's not
terrible. We're at D0 out of uh it goes

1246
01:36:56,800 --> 01:37:04,400
to D4. So we're at the early stages but
we're having some very dry weather now.

1247
01:37:02,800 --> 01:37:08,080
There's a line of storms that's going to
come in, but there have been some

1248
01:37:06,080 --> 01:37:15,119
concerns about fire here in the last
couple of days. Uh we're continuing to

1249
01:37:10,960 --> 01:37:21,760
review the EOP to get that uh to you for
uh promulgation so you can readopt it

1250
01:37:17,840 --> 01:37:26,159
before the end of the year. Um,
we're also still continuing to work on

1251
01:37:23,840 --> 01:37:31,840
getting all the radios upgraded so that
we can talk directly to the three fire

1252
01:37:28,560 --> 01:37:39,199
departments on their u uh station
channels. Uh, and uh we're circulating a

1253
01:37:36,159 --> 01:37:44,320
doodle poll to try to get enough
interest in the elected officials

1254
01:37:41,520 --> 01:37:49,119
training that normally occurs in
February of each year. Uh Bill James

1255
01:37:47,040 --> 01:37:54,560
from the York County Office of Emergency
Management is willing to come down here.

1256
01:37:51,840 --> 01:38:00,239
There are uh some dates uh mentioned in
the email I sent out that you'll see

1257
01:37:56,320 --> 01:38:04,480
once you get that. Um he'll do the class
down here if we can generate enough

1258
01:38:02,719 --> 01:38:10,320
interest to do it. We don't have to wait
till the dead of winter in February or

1259
01:38:07,920 --> 01:38:16,400
go all the way to York to do it. So
hoping to get some interest in that.

1260
01:38:13,760 --> 01:38:22,480
We are waiting on shelter agreements
from uh two uh entities here. Uh the

1261
01:38:20,719 --> 01:38:29,119
York County Office of Emergency
Management is basically seeking to

1262
01:38:24,800 --> 01:38:33,840
expand uh shelter capacity uh in the
county beyond what the Red Cross is

1263
01:38:31,199 --> 01:38:38,480
capable of doing. They rely a lot on
schools and there's no way they can't

1264
01:38:36,320 --> 01:38:43,199
force a school to give up space in a
school like during a school day for a

1265
01:38:40,159 --> 01:38:48,159
shelter. So, they came up with an
agreement. They've approached uh Grace

1266
01:38:45,760 --> 01:38:54,480
Fellowship on the top of the old Kmart
Hill and also the new Freedom Burough

1267
01:38:51,280 --> 01:38:58,960
Community Center as possible uh shelter
locations that we could use in the event

1268
01:38:56,800 --> 01:39:05,840
that we needed a mass shelter of some
kind. Uh and those are pending.

1269
01:39:03,040 --> 01:39:11,040
uh the committee that oversees me uh
authorized the change in our uh cloud

1270
01:39:08,960 --> 01:39:15,760
storage from 5 gigabytes to two
terabytes. I just need to come over and

1271
01:39:13,920 --> 01:39:20,960
uh catch Todd when he's here and has
free time and we'll go in the ELC and

1272
01:39:18,400 --> 01:39:26,880
and make that update. Uh
accomplishments, we we conducted the

1273
01:39:24,960 --> 01:39:33,199
fall community exercise at the
Shrewberry Burough EOC on October 7th

1274
01:39:30,080 --> 01:39:39,520
and we had representation from all the
municipalities for that exercise. It it

1275
01:39:35,920 --> 01:39:48,400
was run by county through Zoom and uh
basically they gave us a scenario that

1276
01:39:42,560 --> 01:39:53,280
required um the use of uh a PIO function
or public information officer. The

1277
01:39:51,040 --> 01:40:00,159
scenario was there was a large community
event about to start a couple days and

1278
01:39:57,119 --> 01:40:04,400
they were expecting outside agitators.
Uh so there was additional security

1279
01:40:02,000 --> 01:40:10,159
being requested. There were also a lot
of rumors and disinformation on social

1280
01:40:07,119 --> 01:40:15,199
media. And so the exercise we had was
for about 20 minutes was to tabletop

1281
01:40:12,560 --> 01:40:20,800
that information and figure out what we
would do as EMA and elected officials to

1282
01:40:19,040 --> 01:40:27,119
make sure the event didn't have to be
cancelled. And so it was a good walk

1283
01:40:23,440 --> 01:40:33,199
through of um our some of our checklists
and thoughts about PIO functions.

1284
01:40:30,080 --> 01:40:39,280
Uh we also took part in the national
night out that was held on the carnival

1285
01:40:35,520 --> 01:40:44,880
grounds behind station 61 in Shrewsbury.
Uh we used our canopy for the first time

1286
01:40:42,480 --> 01:40:52,000
and uh two of us successfully set that
up. But we had uh information from Puma.

1287
01:40:48,000 --> 01:40:58,400
We had coloring books from kids for kids
uh from the from the Red Cross. Uh they

1288
01:40:55,040 --> 01:41:02,400
have like a series of of coloring books
uh that use a a little penguin called

1289
01:41:00,480 --> 01:41:06,960
Pedro. Something that you know it's not
scary to kids, but it teaches them about

1290
01:41:04,880 --> 01:41:10,800
emergency preparedness and like a fire
in the home and things like that. So we

1291
01:41:09,119 --> 01:41:15,280
were handing those things out to people
who were there. The helicopter and the

1292
01:41:12,960 --> 01:41:20,159
fire trucks were more interesting
>> well than than we were. But there was

1293
01:41:17,760 --> 01:41:25,280
free pizza [snorts] and free uh uh
Rita's uh ice was there too. How well

1294
01:41:23,760 --> 01:41:30,080
was it attending?
>> Uh, you know, the it's sponsored and

1295
01:41:28,320 --> 01:41:37,119
hosted by the police department, by
Southern Regional. Um, I mean, they

1296
01:41:35,040 --> 01:41:40,960
it's hard to gauge. I mean, maybe there
was a couple thousand tops.

1297
01:41:40,320 --> 01:41:43,360
» Okay.
>> I mean, because people came and left,

1298
01:41:42,880 --> 01:41:48,000
» right?
>> And uh but you know, the fire department

1299
01:41:46,400 --> 01:41:53,840
demonstrated
uh using the jaws to cut up a car that

1300
01:41:50,480 --> 01:41:57,600
they had there. Um they had several K-9
demonstrations.

1301
01:41:55,440 --> 01:42:01,280
Uh somebody flew in a helicopter and
they were allowing people to get in, sit

1302
01:41:59,360 --> 01:42:05,199
in the helicopter. They weren't getting
rides, but you know, you could get in it

1303
01:42:03,199 --> 01:42:10,960
and see the controls and stuff like
that. Then there were a number of um

1304
01:42:08,159 --> 01:42:17,119
community organizations that were there
uh handing out things. So yeah,

1305
01:42:14,400 --> 01:42:21,040
» I I thought it went well. And unlike
unlike the prior year, there was no

1306
01:42:19,360 --> 01:42:26,960
windstorm that came along and tried to
blow all the canopies away, which was

1307
01:42:23,440 --> 01:42:32,320
good. Um, so, uh, if you have any
questions now or after you see the

1308
01:42:29,119 --> 01:42:35,920
report, um, by all means, let me know.
>> Thanks.

1309
01:42:32,960 --> 01:42:42,080
» For those left, Stan is a volunteer, a
very hardworking volunteer. I took my

1310
01:42:38,800 --> 01:42:46,239
hat to the hours he spent and I did
participate in the exercise he was

1311
01:42:44,000 --> 01:42:51,840
talking about, but always stay. We
appreciate what you do.

1312
01:42:49,280 --> 01:42:59,080
Uh I think we have you have a report I
think from the last sewer committee. Any

1313
01:42:54,800 --> 01:42:59,080
questions from that?

1314
01:42:59,341 --> 01:43:05,520
[snorts]
Okay. [clears throat]

1315
01:43:02,080 --> 01:43:11,360
And um we did um I just add we did have
a uh ad hoc ordinance committee meeting.

1316
01:43:08,960 --> 01:43:17,360
the first one we've had in a while
identified some ordinances that we think

1317
01:43:13,840 --> 01:43:23,840
we need to prioritize to begin to work
on things for like data centers and um

1318
01:43:20,719 --> 01:43:28,400
especially data centers and artificial
intelligence that are [clears throat]

1319
01:43:25,920 --> 01:43:34,159
reappearing or appearing everywhere done
that I did the planning commission and

1320
01:43:32,400 --> 01:43:37,960
zoning hearing board typically there are
no questions but

1321
01:43:39,360 --> 01:43:46,239
And uh that brings us to all business of
our young chairman report. So

1322
01:43:43,600 --> 01:43:49,119
» I say it wasn't on the uh the agenda,
but yes.

1323
01:43:47,840 --> 01:43:52,960
» Where's that?
>> The board chair report wasn't on the

1324
01:43:50,800 --> 01:43:56,800
agenda, but yes,
>> I didn't see it.

1325
01:43:54,080 --> 01:43:58,960
» It's under supervisor comments.
>> Yeah, it's here.

1326
01:43:57,440 --> 01:44:03,760
» My apologies.
>> It was

1327
01:44:00,639 --> 01:44:09,840
there. It overlooked it. The only thing
I would point out that might be of

1328
01:44:05,520 --> 01:44:16,239
interest is um learned from the LC class
LGAC meeting. Penn State University is

1329
01:44:13,600 --> 01:44:22,560
giving a one hour Revit webinar which
means like a Zoom meeting on data center

1330
01:44:19,520 --> 01:44:26,480
on November 19th and since that's a item
of concern and high priority for

1331
01:44:24,239 --> 01:44:30,719
ordinance if anybody gets a chance to
tune into that if you go on their

1332
01:44:27,920 --> 01:44:36,000
website uh you register it's easy to do
that. I've done that and then they send

1333
01:44:33,119 --> 01:44:41,440
you the information so you can um sign
into the website.

1334
01:44:38,159 --> 01:44:46,080
I think it's from 11:00 to noon I
believe.

1335
01:44:43,440 --> 01:44:51,440
That's kind of the highlight I would
from mine. Any comments from anybody

1336
01:44:48,960 --> 01:44:55,360
else?
All right. Now we have some old

1337
01:44:53,840 --> 01:45:00,480
business. I think these are basically
all updates from Todd. So

1338
01:44:58,000 --> 01:45:02,639
» I already addressed the first one. deal
with parks,

1339
01:45:01,679 --> 01:45:06,880
» park improvements.
>> Yes, we have covered that. That's right.

1340
01:45:04,880 --> 01:45:09,679
» Library. I saw they're having a book
sale. That didn't fill me with

1341
01:45:08,239 --> 01:45:15,440
confidence.
>> Um, I can give you an update on that.

1342
01:45:13,280 --> 01:45:20,800
Paul Smith has basically been forced to
become a branch. So, they will not be a

1343
01:45:17,920 --> 01:45:24,400
member library. They are in the process
of trying to we had a meeting earlier

1344
01:45:22,880 --> 01:45:31,280
this week with
>> our idea. Um they um are trying

1345
01:45:28,560 --> 01:45:36,480
basically to negotiate the best deal
they can and in addition to the contract

1346
01:45:33,280 --> 01:45:41,920
they need to sign. They're also trying
to to get a memorandum of understanding

1347
01:45:39,840 --> 01:45:45,119
which would
put additional requirements on the

1348
01:45:43,600 --> 01:45:51,199
library [clears throat] system how they
support uh Paul Smith. Uh so both

1349
01:45:48,560 --> 01:45:56,239
libraries are going to become branches.
Um it's either that or it's just

1350
01:45:52,639 --> 01:45:59,119
independently which they really can't do
that.

1351
01:45:56,960 --> 01:46:03,280
» Um so we're trying to get the best deal
out of that they can. Their hours will

1352
01:46:01,199 --> 01:46:08,480
definitely be reduced. Don't know how
much yet. Staff will probably have some

1353
01:46:05,679 --> 01:46:12,080
reduction and so will some of the other
programs that they offer, but I think

1354
01:46:10,639 --> 01:46:18,560
they're committed to do the best they
can and we will need to be looking at um

1355
01:46:16,239 --> 01:46:25,280
how the way we fund things going
forward. We don't have any money due to

1356
01:46:21,520 --> 01:46:27,440
them anytime soon.
It's

1357
01:46:25,440 --> 01:46:31,440
» already been dispersed, isn't it?
>> Yeah, we the

1358
01:46:29,840 --> 01:46:33,920
» Yeah, but we'll do a final one in
December.

1359
01:46:32,320 --> 01:46:38,239
» So, what we do, we want to make sure
that's to the friends of the library.

1360
01:46:36,400 --> 01:46:42,159
Otherwise, it just goes to the county
library.

1361
01:46:39,199 --> 01:46:47,440
» Um, and maybe even earmark it for some
project. But, so before we cut a check,

1362
01:46:45,199 --> 01:46:51,480
Todd, make sure we talk I'll verify
that. But let me uh

1363
01:46:55,119 --> 01:47:00,719
» Okay.
>> Are you doing that now?

1364
01:46:58,000 --> 01:47:05,520
» No, I I'm I'm making myself a note.
>> Okay. So, you're up again on the uh

1365
01:47:04,239 --> 01:47:10,000
contract completed, I guess.
>> Yeah. I don't have a whole lot to to

1366
01:47:07,440 --> 01:47:14,719
report since last month because Art and
I finally got were able to get together

1367
01:47:12,080 --> 01:47:19,199
yesterday and um we have a couple things
I'm going to shoot a letter off uh if

1368
01:47:17,040 --> 01:47:23,199
not tomorrow probably be Monday or
Tuesday to the SPCA try to get some

1369
01:47:21,199 --> 01:47:27,119
additional information. So I will
definitely have that for our December

1370
01:47:25,199 --> 01:47:31,719
meeting because we'll have to make a
decision at that point in time.

1371
01:47:28,719 --> 01:47:31,719
» Okay.

1372
01:47:31,840 --> 01:47:38,960
» Boundary road.
uh Boundary Road. Just let you know that

1373
01:47:35,679 --> 01:47:44,159
I did talk to the uh property owner uh
again and he is going to actually get

1374
01:47:41,280 --> 01:47:46,880
his property surveyed. So once he has
that completed, he's going to contact

1375
01:47:45,760 --> 01:47:50,880
me.
>> Uh we'll meet with him and and kind of

1376
01:47:49,040 --> 01:47:55,520
see where that falls
>> in what was boundary road at that point.

1377
01:47:54,080 --> 01:47:58,000
» And that's the only property would have
to be surveyed.

1378
01:47:56,719 --> 01:48:00,880
» Yeah.
>> Yep.

1379
01:47:58,639 --> 01:48:05,280
» Okay,
sounds good. Any questions on any of

1380
01:48:03,119 --> 01:48:10,880
those to Todd?
Um, then we have uh new business and I

1381
01:48:09,520 --> 01:48:17,040
guess the main thing there is that we
authorize advertisement of the proposed

1382
01:48:13,840 --> 01:48:21,760
2026 budget. I'll make a motion that we
authorize advertisement of the 2026

1383
01:48:20,639 --> 01:48:26,719
budget.
>> Second.

1384
01:48:24,639 --> 01:48:29,679
» Take your pick. I think it was a tie.
>> Was the second?

1385
01:48:28,000 --> 01:48:33,600
» I'll give it to Jeff.
>> Don't matter. We have a motion and a

1386
01:48:31,520 --> 01:48:38,960
second to authorize advertisement of
proposed budget for 2026. Question.

1387
01:48:37,760 --> 01:48:40,080
We shall vote.
>> I

1388
01:48:39,600 --> 01:48:41,199
» I
>> I

1389
01:48:40,719 --> 01:48:47,040
» I
>> I votes affirmative. We have voted to

1390
01:48:44,880 --> 01:48:49,920
authorize advertisement and that will
come up for us to approve in December.

1391
01:48:49,600 --> 01:48:54,320
Right.
>> Correct.

1392
01:48:51,119 --> 01:48:59,440
» Has to be done in December by the NBC
requirements. I was going to say if it's

1393
01:48:56,960 --> 01:49:04,239
a new supervisor,
it's able to be reopened in January, but

1394
01:49:01,679 --> 01:49:07,360
I I don't think that qualifies in this.
>> Correct.

1395
01:49:05,600 --> 01:49:12,040
» You are correct.
>> Just for the record, congratulations

1396
01:49:09,360 --> 01:49:14,060
again, Bob, on your landslide.
[clears throat]

1397
01:49:14,320 --> 01:49:21,600
» Uh we have three storm order agreements.
They're all our standard agreement and

1398
01:49:19,119 --> 01:49:25,920
unless Todd feels otherwise, I think we
can handle all those in one motion. I'd

1399
01:49:23,679 --> 01:49:35,119
make a motion to approve the storm water
agreements for one Makulla Drive, 224

1400
01:49:29,520 --> 01:49:39,280
West Forest Avenue and 1724 Htown Road.
>> I'll second it. Questions before we

1401
01:49:37,600 --> 01:49:40,239
vote. I'll call for the vote.
>> I

1402
01:49:39,760 --> 01:49:41,199
» I
>> I

1403
01:49:40,719 --> 01:49:45,679
» I
>> I post the affirmative. Approve the

1404
01:49:44,000 --> 01:49:49,119
three storm water agreements.
>> No correspondence this time.

1405
01:49:46,960 --> 01:49:54,159
» No correspondence this time. I've got
one new business.

1406
01:49:51,920 --> 01:49:58,719
Um,
can we add new business?

1407
01:49:56,719 --> 01:50:03,119
» He can comment on it. You just won't be
able to deliberate if it's something to

1408
01:50:01,280 --> 01:50:06,800
deliberate on because it's not on the
agenda. But he could certainly raise it,

1409
01:50:05,199 --> 01:50:08,480
» right? You can bring it up, but we can't
vote on it.

1410
01:50:07,600 --> 01:50:14,719
» Correct.
>> Go ahead. Okay.

1411
01:50:11,199 --> 01:50:20,560
Pennsylvania PATS PSATS they have a
model ordinance available for

1412
01:50:16,960 --> 01:50:27,199
implementing supervisor compensation
and u it's based on the compensation is

1413
01:50:23,440 --> 01:50:32,480
based on the township population and
ours is 5,000

1414
01:50:29,440 --> 01:50:39,840
to 9,999
population category. The current caps

1415
01:50:35,920 --> 01:50:43,840
paid to the supervisors are $2,500.
And this is I don't know the exact

1416
01:50:42,080 --> 01:50:47,199
number of years, but this has been in
effect for 10, maybe 15 years.

1417
01:50:46,159 --> 01:50:55,119
» 15 probably.
>> Probably 15 years. Okay. So I'm I'm

1418
01:50:52,239 --> 01:51:03,520
thinking that um I'd like to make a
proposal to increase that act 94 of 24

1419
01:51:00,639 --> 01:51:10,239
which uh came out in October 31st one
year ago in 20 October 3124

1420
01:51:07,840 --> 01:51:16,080
uh they posted new maximum thresholds
for supervisor compensation. So, in our

1421
01:51:13,600 --> 01:51:26,000
group, the new caps effective December
1st of 24 were $4,190.

1422
01:51:21,119 --> 01:51:35,159
So, I'm proposing um if if I'm not sure
we'll have it tonight, but for sure put

1423
01:51:28,400 --> 01:51:35,159
it on December's agenda. Okay. That um

1424
01:51:35,679 --> 01:51:42,960
lost my train of thought, but basically
I'm proposing that we adopt the new

1425
01:51:40,080 --> 01:51:48,880
caps. Um, who knows, could be another 10
years, 15 years before it's changed

1426
01:51:45,199 --> 01:51:52,560
again. Now, the way this works is if we
were to vote on it, you know, in the

1427
01:51:50,800 --> 01:52:02,159
near future,
it doesn't take effect for anybody until

1428
01:51:56,639 --> 01:52:08,159
they're newly elected. Okay? So, for so
u I'll just use some examples. I'll just

1429
01:52:05,040 --> 01:52:13,440
say for myself, I've got four years I've
got three years left to go before I run

1430
01:52:10,320 --> 01:52:19,520
for election if I choose to do so. So, I
would still stay at $2,500

1431
01:52:16,159 --> 01:52:23,840
as the rest of us because I think you
and I are the next one up for election

1432
01:52:21,840 --> 01:52:28,719
» until we were elected again. But I just
feel that

1433
01:52:25,520 --> 01:52:36,800
um it's worthwhile to make the
adjustment that's been allow now allowed

1434
01:52:31,760 --> 01:52:39,119
after 15 years or so.
And you're saying we can't have a

1435
01:52:38,800 --> 01:52:42,400
motion?
>> No, we have to have it on the agenda.

1436
01:52:41,520 --> 01:52:48,000
Have a motion.
>> So I'm proposing that we and voting yes

1437
01:52:45,760 --> 01:52:49,360
that we put it on the agenda for next
month.

1438
01:52:48,560 --> 01:52:52,239
» All you have to do is
>> Yeah, I I can put it on the agenda. So

1439
01:52:51,599 --> 01:52:56,239
yeah,
>> just for general knowledge, we did look

1440
01:52:54,400 --> 01:53:04,400
at this probably about a year ago and
the board elected not to um

1441
01:53:00,239 --> 01:53:06,400
» and increase and again each individual
option but um

1442
01:53:05,760 --> 01:53:10,960
» 6 to8 months
>> it couldn't affect any could not affect

1443
01:53:08,159 --> 01:53:14,560
the city. So
>> who knows I may not [snorts] be elected

1444
01:53:12,400 --> 01:53:20,480
again I may not run again but I just
think as a policy that it's worthwhile

1445
01:53:17,760 --> 01:53:25,040
that we make the pay adjustment.
Okay,

1446
01:53:22,239 --> 01:53:30,639
we'll see that on
next next month's agenda. Um, don't have

1447
01:53:28,159 --> 01:53:34,320
any correspondence, but you do have I
think everybody had a schedule or a

1448
01:53:32,320 --> 01:53:39,520
table of kind of the things we'll be
doing year end. So, it's a pretty

1449
01:53:37,520 --> 01:53:45,280
lengthy schedule. So, I gave everybody a
copy of that should have been in the

1450
01:53:41,199 --> 01:53:49,440
things you have if not
>> this.

1451
01:53:46,719 --> 01:53:52,840
» I did not.
Thank you, gentlemen.

1452
01:53:56,080 --> 01:54:03,040
» You didn't look.
Um, so we do have an opportunity for

1453
01:54:00,239 --> 01:54:07,280
public comment. One gentleman left. So,
I don't know if he wishes to address the

1454
01:54:04,639 --> 01:54:12,960
board on anything.
>> Yeah. What the heck?

1455
01:54:10,159 --> 01:54:16,639
» Actually, I'm not from your township.
From a neighboring township.

1456
01:54:14,480 --> 01:54:18,719
» Well, we'll listen to you. We just we'll
only listen with one of your good

1457
01:54:18,320 --> 01:54:24,320
neighbors.
>> Name's Jack Coug 2601 Opal Heights

1458
01:54:22,000 --> 01:54:31,119
Drive. The only modular home in that
trailer park. Um first of all, you want

1459
01:54:29,280 --> 01:54:35,840
to hold on to him forever because Grant
writers are hard to come by. We know.

1460
01:54:33,760 --> 01:54:40,560
» Okay. Well, thank you. [laughter]
>> I mean really we have how many more

1461
01:54:38,080 --> 01:54:45,760
years Todd? Two. You can't control your
parks that knowledge on success being

1462
01:54:44,159 --> 01:54:49,040
» you got you guys gave me a lot of pats
on the back for you know as as a former

1463
01:54:48,320 --> 01:54:53,280
public servant
>> the successor is sitting right here so

1464
01:54:51,440 --> 01:54:58,400
» okay
>> you better be taking

1465
01:54:56,480 --> 01:55:03,040
» but uh first of all I'm impressed with
your facility here compared to I

1466
01:55:00,960 --> 01:55:06,400
probably attend no less than six
meetings a week

1467
01:55:04,800 --> 01:55:09,679
» what I'm trying to do is learn more
about the area I'm fairly new to the

1468
01:55:07,920 --> 01:55:15,280
area only three
But I'm learning how you all operate

1469
01:55:11,840 --> 01:55:19,280
differently but yet still alike.
Uh but I'm impressed with your facility

1470
01:55:17,520 --> 01:55:23,280
because some of them are just I can't
hear them. They have no microphones.

1471
01:55:22,480 --> 01:55:27,840
You guys got
>> Well, we've been in this for for um

1472
01:55:26,480 --> 01:55:34,080
» two little over two years.
>> A little over two years. before we had

1473
01:55:30,320 --> 01:55:38,480
our offices about a mile up the road and
our maintenance group was here and that

1474
01:55:36,639 --> 01:55:41,119
that building was in pretty bad shape.
So, long story short,

1475
01:55:39,679 --> 01:55:44,960
» that's where most of them are in the
maintenance buildings.

1476
01:55:42,320 --> 01:55:47,520
» We said that that's where it was before
long time ago.

1477
01:55:46,080 --> 01:55:52,560
» So, we said, well, let's bring them all
together.

1478
01:55:48,800 --> 01:55:57,760
» And we kind of over the our time knew
what we thought would work, whether it's

1479
01:55:54,880 --> 01:56:02,800
monitors or a nice area both for our
employees. We employ

1480
01:55:59,760 --> 01:56:08,000
Are we up to eight now outside?
>> 7. So we employ

1481
01:56:06,320 --> 01:56:11,520
I guess 11 10 11.
>> We have 11 full time now.

1482
01:56:09,760 --> 01:56:15,520
» It's a nice place for them to come to
work. They can feel if you go into the

1483
01:56:13,199 --> 01:56:20,719
maintenance section, it looks just as
good as this does. It's it's got a lift

1484
01:56:18,000 --> 01:56:25,440
and a wash bay and all those things. So
we thought we knew we knew we wanted

1485
01:56:23,440 --> 01:56:29,840
lobby space where people could wait. We
have a really nice conference room next

1486
01:56:27,280 --> 01:56:32,000
door. So those things can be going on.
So,

1487
01:56:30,159 --> 01:56:36,400
» what's funny is many times I've been by
here, I didn't know it was back here.

1488
01:56:34,159 --> 01:56:41,199
» I saw the park
look beyond the park. But, uh, and the

1489
01:56:38,960 --> 01:56:46,560
other thing is is
I like how you explain to people what

1490
01:56:44,239 --> 01:56:52,480
you're doing even though some people are
wondering what you're doing, but but

1491
01:56:49,599 --> 01:56:55,360
you're explaining to people what they're
looking at on the agenda and stuff.

1492
01:56:54,080 --> 01:56:58,880
Other them don't. They just roll right
along the agenda. So, I got to

1493
01:56:57,040 --> 01:57:03,199
compliment you guys on that as well.
>> Thank you.

1494
01:56:59,920 --> 01:57:06,960
» I noticed no women on the board, but
>> we have one. She resigned.

1495
01:57:05,119 --> 01:57:09,760
» They have We've got two on the planning
commission now.

1496
01:57:08,000 --> 01:57:13,520
» Do you Well, I'm also looking at a
planning position.

1497
01:57:12,000 --> 01:57:16,560
» And we did have um
>> We did have two

1498
01:57:14,480 --> 01:57:20,000
» up up into two. Okay.
>> We had two.

1499
01:57:17,440 --> 01:57:23,760
» Yeah, there were two on
>> in the early like

1500
01:57:21,199 --> 01:57:27,440
» Sue and Cynthia 10 years ago.
>> Yeah. like 20 minutes and then they went

1501
01:57:26,000 --> 01:57:30,960
off and Ann was on.
>> Yeah.

1502
01:57:27,920 --> 01:57:33,920
» And then Ann resigned.
>> I don't want to waste your time. You've

1503
01:57:32,320 --> 01:57:36,396
been here long enough.
>> Well, don't waste time when you

1504
01:57:35,086 --> 01:57:37,679
[clears throat] tell us good things.
[snorts]

1505
01:57:37,051 --> 01:57:40,400
[laughter]
>> Yeah. We'll even extend it to six or

1506
01:57:39,360 --> 01:57:41,520
seven minutes if you're going to say
nice things.

1507
01:57:41,040 --> 01:57:44,719
» Oh, well,
>> I'm kidding. We're not allowed to make

1508
01:57:43,920 --> 01:57:47,040
exceptions.
>> I got to get home, too. I have a

1509
01:57:46,876 --> 01:57:50,480
[clears throat]
>> Well, thank you very much for saying

1510
01:57:48,639 --> 01:57:53,760
those things. Someday, if you have the
time, come up. They'll give you a good

1511
01:57:51,840 --> 01:57:59,199
tour. Actually, I've talked to him on
the telephone already

1512
01:57:56,560 --> 01:58:03,760
» and I talked to someone on the
commission

1513
01:58:01,199 --> 01:58:06,400
» about the bees about the bee ordinance
that somebody was trying to introduce

1514
01:58:05,119 --> 01:58:10,719
somewhere.
>> Well, that may have been um

1515
01:58:08,080 --> 01:58:14,000
» Bur Shrewberry Burrow.
>> That was Shrewsbury.

1516
01:58:11,760 --> 01:58:16,800
» But but I but no, but I I called both
because

1517
01:58:15,040 --> 01:58:19,679
» I'm learning, you know, the biggest
thing I'm learning is there's little

1518
01:58:17,920 --> 01:58:23,520
tiny towns that are now burrows. I
always thought they were towns, but

1519
01:58:20,800 --> 01:58:28,480
they're burrows. Where where did you
live before here?

1520
01:58:25,040 --> 01:58:31,199
» Before here, um on a waterfront down in
Baltimore County.

1521
01:58:29,280 --> 01:58:37,520
» Oh, that's good. So So you're learning
the difference between a Commonwealth

1522
01:58:33,520 --> 01:58:42,239
and So York County is about the size of
Baltimore County. Yes.

1523
01:58:38,800 --> 01:58:45,679
» It has 72 independent municipalities
that are self-governing.

1524
01:58:43,440 --> 01:58:49,440
» Believe me, I've been very
>> very little county level support.

1525
01:58:47,360 --> 01:58:52,960
There's no county police force, right?
>> Um you know, I think there's any

1526
01:58:51,722 --> 01:58:59,280
[clears throat] county road department
is it?

1527
01:58:55,920 --> 01:59:02,880
» So that's the so every so it makes it a
little difficult because we all have a

1528
01:59:01,040 --> 01:59:08,560
little difference in our ordinances. We
are all self governing but Pennsylvania

1529
01:59:06,320 --> 01:59:13,119
looks at driving it down to the low
level and that's that's us. We're the

1530
01:59:10,960 --> 01:59:18,719
low level. What people don't realize
when they go to elections that we

1531
01:59:15,679 --> 01:59:23,599
probably have more to say about what's
going to happen in the quality and

1532
01:59:20,239 --> 01:59:26,800
safety later,
>> you're right. And that's that's one of

1533
01:59:25,199 --> 01:59:32,000
the biggest things I've learned. I I
used to work for a House of Justice

1534
01:59:28,159 --> 01:59:36,960
member in Maryland and u and everything
was so widespread, you know, nothing

1535
01:59:34,639 --> 01:59:40,239
came down local and uh
>> they both have advantages. They both

1536
01:59:39,040 --> 01:59:44,400
disad and they both have their
disadvantages.

1537
01:59:41,199 --> 01:59:50,480
» We try to do more and more in
combination with the burrows we surround

1538
01:59:47,199 --> 01:59:56,800
so that um we're not duplicating or if
they need an extra dump truck to pave or

1539
01:59:53,840 --> 02:00:00,239
we need one or we have some equipment we
buy and share because none of us need

1540
01:59:59,520 --> 02:00:04,639
» can afford it.
>> We're trying to do the recreation

1541
02:00:02,320 --> 02:00:06,800
council that we're starting again. All
those things we're trying

1542
02:00:05,520 --> 02:00:11,679
» Yeah. because I'm used to on the other
side of 83. used to hire and and that

1543
02:00:09,760 --> 02:00:15,119
operation and like you say, they hired a
guy and he's doing a great job of

1544
02:00:13,040 --> 02:00:18,000
raising money for them to keep
sustaining his salary.

1545
02:00:17,040 --> 02:00:22,639
» So, but
>> so we're trying to do more of that. But

1546
02:00:19,360 --> 02:00:26,639
the downside is we're certified three
volunteer fire departments, so we have

1547
02:00:25,119 --> 02:00:31,199
to try to support them.
>> Yeah. We were certified two EMS

1548
02:00:28,800 --> 02:00:35,760
departments. So we have to try to So
that makes it where the burrow but the

1549
02:00:34,000 --> 02:00:41,520
distance you the difference you probably
seen burrows are smaller, more compact,

1550
02:00:39,679 --> 02:00:45,199
probably not as much population as a
township, but it's compacted together.

1551
02:00:44,080 --> 02:00:49,280
» We're spread out
>> and they don't have most of them don't

1552
02:00:46,960 --> 02:00:52,719
have agricultural lands.
>> That's right.

1553
02:00:50,239 --> 02:00:57,920
» And that's why I I mentioned about about
new freedom. Um they were concerned

1554
02:00:55,520 --> 02:01:03,520
about that.
county commission pointing them out to

1555
02:01:00,639 --> 02:01:06,320
be a growth area and that's why they
turned it down.

1556
02:01:05,040 --> 02:01:09,679
» They were really upset about that.
>> I think there was some uh some

1557
02:01:08,000 --> 02:01:13,199
misunderstanding
about that.

1558
02:01:10,880 --> 02:01:17,360
» Yeah. Because um they they were part of
the the group. They attended public

1559
02:01:15,679 --> 02:01:23,119
hearings some of their elected officials
and um from what I understand what I

1560
02:01:20,960 --> 02:01:28,560
have heard anyway um I believe there was
some misunderstanding. So, I know one of

1561
02:01:25,679 --> 02:01:32,159
their planning commission members uh is
going to be attending their next meeting

1562
02:01:30,000 --> 02:01:36,719
and talking about it. So, hopefully can
clear up that misunderstanding.

1563
02:01:33,920 --> 02:01:41,440
» Yeah, they were upset. Well, again, go
home.

1564
02:01:39,280 --> 02:01:46,000
» Nice meeting you all.
>> You very come back anytime.

1565
02:01:43,920 --> 02:01:49,199
» I will be. Unfortunately, there's three
meetings all tonight.

1566
02:01:47,760 --> 02:01:52,080
» You know, you had to have to decide
which one to choose and yours I hadn't

1567
02:01:50,960 --> 02:01:55,679
been to yet.
>> So, that's why I came. So, I'm glad you

1568
02:01:54,239 --> 02:01:56,800
made that choice. We appreciate your
proud work.

1569
02:01:56,239 --> 02:02:00,119
» Thank you.
>> Motion to