1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:08,400 Motion passes. We'll have a hearing on the alcohol 2 00:00:04,560 --> 00:00:15,360 beverage control division small brewer offsite intake application for brew lab 3 00:00:11,040 --> 00:00:20,880 101 and brew do. This is a a hearing required by state 4 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:23,880 law. Is there anyone that wishes to speak? 5 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:30,320 » Good morning. My name is Kylo Stoker. I'm with New Mexico Liquor Lices LLC. 6 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:35,920 I'm here on behalf of the applicant for lab 101. I don't have any um anything to 7 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:40,600 say, but I am here standing for any questions if you guys have any for the 8 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:40,600 applicant. 9 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:48,520 » Mr. If you swear in any folks who are going 10 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:48,520 to testify, 11 00:00:54,399 --> 00:01:00,239 » Mr. Attorney, what's the language for that swearing? 12 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:04,799 penalty of perjury. That the testimony I'm about to give is the letter. Yeah, 13 00:01:02,719 --> 00:01:08,640 penalty. That's right. Okay, ma'am. Did you hear that? 14 00:01:06,320 --> 00:01:14,520 » Yes, sir. My right hand is raised. >> Can I swear again? 15 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:14,520 » Okay. Thank you. Now, go ahead. 16 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:24,040 » Okay. >> Anybody else wish to speak? 17 00:01:24,320 --> 00:01:29,280 Are there any questions for the alcoholic beverage commission? 18 00:01:31,439 --> 00:01:34,759 Going once, 19 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:45,000 going twice. Okay. LS are all points of the application satisfactory 20 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:45,000 to 21 00:01:50,479 --> 00:01:55,720 the applicant. >> Oh, I thought she said 22 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:04,119 That's all they want to say. They don't want to explain anything. 23 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:09,640 » I don't think so. 24 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:21,280 Going third, we'll close the hearing 25 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:27,360 for the uh approval of the intake application for brew lab 101 brew dock. 26 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:32,480 We do something on this commission that's a a courtesy to folks. We have 27 00:02:29,599 --> 00:02:40,480 public comment. It's not required by law, but seeking the best 28 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:46,720 two-way discussion and transparency for commission. We encourage public comment. 29 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:51,760 Uh we have two signed up, the two mayors. If anybody else has comments, we 30 00:02:49,599 --> 00:02:59,120 would entertain those. You have three minutes to speak. We will be on a timer. 31 00:02:55,360 --> 00:03:04,000 We will not answer any of the public comment because it's not agendaized and 32 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:09,840 the public is not given notice. So if there's an issue that we'll take up in a 33 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:15,440 later meeting, we will do that. So Mayor Hok, would you like to approach? 34 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:21,440 Mayor Hedler, please come forward to the podium. 35 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:26,400 And do we have a microphone there? Okay. Go ahead and state your name and your 36 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:29,200 affiliation then get after three minutes. 37 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:34,799 » Good morning. I serve as the mayor of the city. 38 00:03:31,920 --> 00:03:39,360 Thank you commissioners, clerk, and manager for having me here today. Today 39 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:43,519 I'm here to this morning I'm here to speak about our group of community 40 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:47,040 municipal leaders aligned around a shared objective to advance economic 41 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:50,720 development across Sierra County. Although we don't speak for we are 42 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:53,840 compromised representatives of the county commission the city of 43 00:03:52,319 --> 00:03:58,720 development and city of truth consequences. While each of us serves 44 00:03:56,319 --> 00:04:03,120 our own community we are unified in our priorities and our commitment to produce 45 00:04:00,879 --> 00:04:07,920 coordinated action. Earlier this year we convene to review current opportunities 46 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:11,680 and we share strong agreement on advancing initiatives in a coordinated 47 00:04:09,599 --> 00:04:14,959 manner in close communication. The following reflect some of the outcomes 48 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:18,560 of our meetings. We recognize there may be additional programs, resources or 49 00:04:16,639 --> 00:04:22,960 considerations and we welcome your guidance as we refine and advance this 50 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:27,120 work. Number one is divide the well road spaceport America access. Our purpose is 51 00:04:25,280 --> 00:04:30,479 to improve access to spaceport America to support regional economic 52 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:34,400 development. The key points include to reduce commute time and support 53 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:39,040 residential growth for Spaceport America employees to support plan development 54 00:04:36,639 --> 00:04:43,520 including proposed astronaut campground and to improve public safety through 55 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:47,360 reduced travel distances. The second initiative is Elute Reservoir 56 00:04:45,199 --> 00:04:51,199 conservation minimum pool. We know the economic vitality of the region is tied 57 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:56,080 to the water levels at El Lake and we know that water loss during irrigation 58 00:04:53,520 --> 00:05:00,479 season impacts wildlife and recreation. Stable water levels support tourist 59 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:04,080 boating and related businesses. Visitors contribute to the local 60 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:07,840 spending across multiple sectors and federal coordination may be required to 61 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:13,400 initiative and that further clarification is needed regarding water 62 00:05:09,759 --> 00:05:13,400 storage authority. 63 00:05:14,479 --> 00:05:21,440 We are working on development of an OV use park development plan. There is a 64 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:25,360 growing demand for all highway vehicle recreation. We are reviewing federal 65 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:30,840 funding opportunities. There's an ongoing discussion representative 66 00:05:27,840 --> 00:05:30,840 administration,000 67 00:05:31,039 --> 00:05:40,160 support and we are in discussion with state parks regarding the monos 68 00:05:35,199 --> 00:05:45,520 campground as a hub for us to access. Regional initi wastewater infrastructure 69 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:49,880 regionalization. This affects all entities include consequences 70 00:05:51,199 --> 00:06:00,360 from regional planning is underway. Engineering is in early stages and we 71 00:05:56,080 --> 00:06:00,360 are developing a project timeline. 72 00:06:00,639 --> 00:06:05,840 At the core of our efforts are job creation and long-term economic growth. 73 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:10,319 We expect these initiatives will generate jobs across construction, 74 00:06:07,759 --> 00:06:15,000 tourism, hospitality and recreation and related 75 00:06:11,919 --> 00:06:15,000 Thank you. 76 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:27,199 » Good job, Mayor. Thank you. >> Yes, sir. Thank you. Appreciate it. 77 00:06:23,840 --> 00:06:35,560 Mayor, did you wish to speak to us? We appreciate you being here. 78 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:35,560 I'd like to request unused time 79 00:06:35,624 --> 00:06:37,644 [laughter] 80 00:06:37,759 --> 00:06:41,000 for the record. 81 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:49,759 New Mexico members of commission staff. It's our 82 00:06:46,319 --> 00:06:53,919 honor to be here today. Um Mayor Her outline a little bit about some of the 83 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:57,840 projects that we're working. I'd love to go a little bit more into detail on the 84 00:06:55,919 --> 00:07:02,000 people that we're working with on these projects. We've been meeting regularly 85 00:07:00,319 --> 00:07:06,960 to work on ways of collaborating with the federal county as a whole. Earlier 86 00:07:04,639 --> 00:07:12,160 this year, AJ Forte, the executive director of New Mexico, came to visit 87 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:16,080 with us about the league and their newly approved infrastructure funding. In the 88 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:20,080 meeting, he commented on the fact that in his career, he's never seen elected 89 00:07:17,919 --> 00:07:24,960 officials in the county come together in a unified front that urged us to plan 90 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:29,280 and file for larger amounts of infrastructure funding by filing 91 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:35,280 together. That process is now underway and we've been given a point of contact 92 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:38,960 with us as needed. We met with Jaro and members of his staff to discuss some of 93 00:07:37,039 --> 00:07:43,840 our frustrations and seek a path forward for more assistance from Nepal. We were 94 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:47,599 given a point of contact with and are seeing much more collaboration support 95 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:52,319 for grant writing and other opportunities. Acting tourism secretary 96 00:07:50,319 --> 00:07:56,800 Lancing Adams was invited to Sierra County where he spent a day with us and 97 00:07:54,879 --> 00:08:01,360 our representative appointed officials for a briefing on tourism and how his 98 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:06,479 department may be able to help. Secretary Adams was said he has 99 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:12,960 experienced the kind of cooperation that we are displaying. It's safe to say that 100 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:17,759 his his visit led in part to the tourism department's decision to invest $50,000 101 00:08:15,599 --> 00:08:22,319 as the premier sponsor for the upcoming New Mexico Open Golf Tournament, which 102 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:27,360 is bringing national attention to Sierra County. Economic Development Secretary 103 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:30,879 Rob Black spent a day with us and we elected and appointed officials to 104 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:35,200 discuss opportunities for advancing tourism outside of lake activities as 105 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:39,440 well as discussion about economic growth and potential creating public private 106 00:08:37,039 --> 00:08:44,480 partnerships to aid moving Sierra County beyond the reliance solely on lake. 107 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:48,080 These discussions have opened the door for additional input from the economic 108 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:52,320 development department and opened the door to a direct line of communication 109 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:56,640 with Secretary Black and members of his staff. The disaster relief resolutions 110 00:08:55,040 --> 00:09:00,320 are another example of this collaboration. 111 00:08:58,399 --> 00:09:04,240 As a result of the county's leadership in creating and improving their 112 00:09:01,839 --> 00:09:08,000 resolution, Eleant was able with the assistance from state representative 113 00:09:05,839 --> 00:09:12,800 Rebecca Da the encouragement of Senator Brley to expeditiously create our 114 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:16,800 resolution which was approved at our last city council meeting in record 115 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:21,040 time. The resolution has been forward to the governor's office for action. We're 116 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:24,880 also working with engineering firms and state parks to create a future path for 117 00:09:22,959 --> 00:09:30,640 expanding the waste water treatment facility of the deep lake. This may uh 118 00:09:28,399 --> 00:09:36,080 the opportunity to bring 400 residents in TRC and into these expanded 119 00:09:33,519 --> 00:09:40,399 facilities and also the ability to perhaps bring state parks in as well. 120 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:43,600 Again, at both tourism and economic development departments meeting was 121 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:48,480 pointed out that this collaboration is something not seen elsewhere in the 122 00:09:45,279 --> 00:09:52,781 state and certainly has a new path for county. Thank you. 123 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:54,801 » Thank you, Mayor. [laughter] 124 00:09:56,800 --> 00:10:06,240 » Okay. We will go to years of service awards. 125 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:11,839 I'm sorry. We need to consider the consent agenda. You have the consent 126 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:17,240 agenda ABC. Is there any concerns or discussion 127 00:10:13,519 --> 00:10:17,240 or is there a motion 128 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:27,600 and seconded? All in favor say I. I. That motion passes. 129 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:31,519 We'll do presentations and years of service awards. Manager B. 130 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:37,120 » Thank you, Chair Commissioners. We have two today. Uh the first one out of our 131 00:10:34,959 --> 00:10:41,000 sheriff's department is Cassidy Key with two years of service. 132 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:47,079 » I'm not. 133 00:10:47,519 --> 00:10:55,007 » Yes, you do. And also in the sheriff's department with 17 years of service is 134 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:57,027 Joel Tel. >> [applause] 135 00:10:59,279 --> 00:11:05,760 » Thank you, man. We'll go to department report. Sheriff, you're you're walking 136 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:11,760 away. Go ahead and come up and tell us what you got going on. 137 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:15,200 We appreciate you being here. Commission, chair, commissioners, a 138 00:11:13,680 --> 00:11:20,880 little bit to report on. So, last Thursday and Friday, 139 00:11:17,519 --> 00:11:26,480 let's go back. I went to Fort Mexico County meeting where we laid out 140 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:30,320 legislative priorities and several issues facing counties throughout the 141 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:33,320 state. receps 142 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:50,279 is contention everybody. 143 00:11:54,560 --> 00:12:00,720 Went to New Mexico Sheriff's Association conference this last week. 144 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:06,760 for days working with some of our federal 145 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:06,760 partners and state partners 146 00:12:07,839 --> 00:12:18,120 reference that we did come online with our program. So we're now data sharing 147 00:12:14,079 --> 00:12:18,120 agencies across the state 148 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:24,600 question 149 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:36,320 of directors. You're a good influence there. 150 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:41,399 Appreciate all you do for sir. >> Thank you 151 00:12:38,399 --> 00:12:41,399 Patrick. 152 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:51,160 Good morning, 153 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:56,680 county manager commissioners. 154 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:00,920 We have fil 155 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:11,279 again our detention population remains in mid 156 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:11,279 to high 40s which is a good thing. 157 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:23,959 going into the 10our shift schedule into it but positive 158 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:23,959 with that question. 159 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:31,000 Thank you Billy Rose. 160 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:46,360 It's been a pretty busy month 161 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:51,160 here. I think 162 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:57,639 we've had several already 163 00:14:04,959 --> 00:14:08,920 had a couple of clubs too. 164 00:14:17,279 --> 00:14:20,279 Souths 165 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:26,360 district. 166 00:14:35,279 --> 00:14:41,079 Thank you, >> Ernie. 167 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:03,720 Sorry. 168 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:13,199 Not too much to report on. Um, we installed some ads at the Albert J Lions 169 00:15:10,639 --> 00:15:19,920 and one at the Fair as well. So, there's two of them out there. Those 170 00:15:16,639 --> 00:15:25,360 are good to go. All label real nice, easy to see, easy places to get to them 171 00:15:22,959 --> 00:15:30,680 quick. So that just keep 172 00:15:27,519 --> 00:15:30,680 down there. 173 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:37,160 Just maint 174 00:15:54,399 --> 00:16:03,279 the other day. I ran into him about what our courthouse looks like and I 175 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:07,920 understand there's some issues there. Um wondering if maybe sometime or another 176 00:16:05,839 --> 00:16:14,160 we could take a look at that and see if we zeroscape it or do something that 177 00:16:11,759 --> 00:16:19,240 kind of looks like this cooperation 178 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:19,240 area 179 00:16:19,279 --> 00:16:28,720 but I'll give you some tumble but that's something that we can look at 180 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:33,360 if there's something we need to find some money for 181 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:38,959 » commissioner Jones. Um, as part of the ICIP, we did uh identify the courthouse 182 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:42,399 as one of our priorities and hoping we can get some state funding on that and 183 00:16:40,639 --> 00:16:46,480 part of that could be looking at that landscaping, whether that's zero scaping 184 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:53,240 or replacing irrigation or whatever we deem needs to be done there. Yes, sir. 185 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:53,240 » It's kind of on a good intersection. 186 00:16:55,759 --> 00:17:01,880 » No, sir. >> No, sir. 187 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:01,880 » Okay. Thank you, Ryan. 188 00:17:07,439 --> 00:17:14,000 Commissioners, we're wrapping up the fiscal year 27 189 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:18,480 fire protection grant applications that are due next week. We have five 190 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:21,640 departments putting in an ide, 191 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:34,480 gallon water storage tank for fire suppression activities. 192 00:17:30,559 --> 00:17:38,840 is for breathing actually station,000 193 00:17:39,360 --> 00:17:49,840 gallon water storage tank and Winston apparatus truck out of service. Those 194 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:55,520 water storage tanks were really beneficial. That's the highlight on the 195 00:17:51,520 --> 00:18:00,520 grants. booster ISO rating and right now those stations have minimal water 196 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:00,520 storage 197 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:10,080 kickoff meetings going with our community wildland protection plan 198 00:18:06,799 --> 00:18:14,080 revising that updating it for it now 199 00:18:12,559 --> 00:18:19,039 be a good collaborative effort between a lot of stakeholders 200 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:22,799 let's see working in coordination with the CC we had a really good 201 00:18:21,120 --> 00:18:26,640 positive meeting performing some risk assessments for 202 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:30,240 their critical infrastructure systems. We'll be continuing those meetings and 203 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:36,640 this is going to be a good piece to put together just to help all departments 204 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:42,080 within the city and as always the weather 205 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:46,480 isolated. It's very scattered storms, some precipitation here and there, but 206 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:51,919 unfortunately we're going into a seven day right here. 207 00:18:48,799 --> 00:18:57,760 So any moisture that we got is pretty quick. Our higher altitude, you 208 00:18:54,480 --> 00:19:01,039 know, areas within the Gila provide, we're still under significant, you know, 209 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:05,200 moisture, thunder, and rain, precipitation. So, hopefully that 210 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:12,440 percolates down here, but we won't be getting overhead moisture. So, get ready 211 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:12,440 for another seven days, 100°. 212 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:23,760 I wish the matrix looked different, but it's just 213 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:27,600 As much as we've sat on our front porch and watched it rain on mountain, it 214 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:33,600 ought to be green. >> Yeah. Yeah. It's also had repeated 215 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:38,000 lightning strike. So maybe it's not. >> And it's very isolated this year. I mean 216 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:46,120 like Kingston gets a good amount. Winston great amount you know like you 217 00:19:41,679 --> 00:19:46,120 come off Winston like 218 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:50,760 so 219 00:19:59,360 --> 00:20:04,559 » can we shoot our fireworks? >> No sir. 220 00:20:02,799 --> 00:20:08,000 » So I get a lot of questions about this lately right we're getting a little rain 221 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:13,039 so people think it's going to the window to lift the resend the burn 222 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:17,120 restrictions. The state still has the statewide burn restrictions and I know 223 00:20:15,120 --> 00:20:25,679 that encapsulated any burns any control burns anything 224 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:30,280 like that state has acted. So even if the county you know this state 225 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:39,840 in contact management officer weekly when are we 226 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:45,480 looking at this they don't have any >> you drop my name on that they help you 227 00:20:45,679 --> 00:20:53,280 » I don't think any name it's all atmospheric conditions and 228 00:20:49,919 --> 00:20:55,039 indices so Anything else? 229 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:59,640 » Thank you, Ryan. >> Thank you, 230 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,640 » Keith. 231 00:21:11,120 --> 00:21:14,120 Commissioners 232 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:19,640 address 233 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,240 questions. 234 00:21:30,559 --> 00:21:33,559 Manager 235 00:21:38,559 --> 00:21:47,000 Nate, are you ready? Come on up. Visions for Sierra County. 236 00:21:43,679 --> 00:21:47,000 Nate Stevens. 237 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:54,640 Appreciate your your work and your compilation of data. sharing that with 238 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:59,360 us. So, we're ready to hear from you. >> Yes, sir. Okay. Uh, commissioners, thank 239 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:02,720 you for giving me a few minutes today. I want to introduce an opportunity that I 240 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:07,200 believe Sierra County needs to understand. An opportunity centered on 241 00:22:04,559 --> 00:22:10,320 the open market. I'm not here today to tell you that we have all the answers. 242 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:14,559 I'm not asking you to approve a geothermal plant, a water project, a 243 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:19,200 mine, a data center, or any other specific development. 244 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:22,640 I'm asking something much more basic. Do we understand 245 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:27,120 well enough to recognize an opportunity if it is there and to know what needs to 246 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:30,400 be protected before we make decisions? The more I have researched that 247 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:34,559 question, the more convinced I have become that the answer today is no. But 248 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:39,280 I have also become convinced that we already know enough to justify finding 249 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:45,760 out. The Hornado Del is a huge north south base and it crosses Sierra and Don 250 00:22:43,039 --> 00:22:50,480 counties and extends for roughly 160 miles. Much of the Sierra County portion 251 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:54,960 populated and for generations we have largely viewed that landscape in terms 252 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:59,360 of ranching, open land, transportation, military and space activity. But beneath 253 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:04,240 that landscape may be a combination of resources that we have never assembled 254 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:09,039 in one economic picture. The New Mexico Bureau of Geology has already documented 255 00:23:06,159 --> 00:23:12,720 two groundwater systems in the central a shallow perch system and a deeper 256 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:17,200 regional offer system. The research describes ground water moving through 257 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:21,120 deep flow paths including a rechar recharge originating in the surrounding 258 00:23:19,039 --> 00:23:25,200 mountains. The bureau's broader brackish water assessment also tells us something 259 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:31,120 equally important. The water quality record is incomplete across the horado. 260 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:35,280 That assessment contains 173 water quality data points. The reported 261 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:41,120 dissolved solid concentration is about 1,354 mg per liter. Those observations 262 00:23:39,120 --> 00:23:44,799 are unevenly distributed and heavily concentrated toward the southern end of 263 00:23:42,559 --> 00:23:49,679 the basin. The deepest well identified in that assessment reaches 6,44 ft. Yet 264 00:23:47,679 --> 00:23:54,400 the report says very little chemistry is available for that whale. The deepest 265 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:58,960 well with a reported TDS measurement is only 1,321 ft and it is near the 266 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:02,799 southern end of the basin. So the science does not allow me to stand here 267 00:24:01,120 --> 00:24:07,039 and tell you that Sierra County has a proven industrial brackish water supply 268 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:11,279 at depth. What it does allow me to say is this. A deeper regional groundwater 269 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:15,360 system is documented. Mineralized and practiced groundwater is documented in 270 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:18,640 the broader and some of the questions most important to Sierra County have 271 00:24:17,039 --> 00:24:22,799 simply not been answered with enough sight specific data. That is where the 272 00:24:21,279 --> 00:24:26,960 economic opportunity becomes interesting. For years, resources like 273 00:24:25,120 --> 00:24:31,200 energy, water, minerals, land and industry have generally been discussed 274 00:24:29,120 --> 00:24:34,960 as separate projects. I think we should ask whether they can support one 275 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:39,360 another. I call this the energy, water, mineral industrial loop. The concept is 276 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:43,360 straightforward. If commercially useful geothermal energy can be proven in an 277 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:47,279 appropriate part of the Hornata, it could provide reliable around the clock 278 00:24:45,120 --> 00:24:51,600 clean power. If an appropriate deep non-fresh water source can also be 279 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:55,679 proven it potentially provide industrial water without making our valuable fresh 280 00:24:53,600 --> 00:25:00,080 water supplies the foundation of industrial growth. If geothermal or 281 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:03,840 produced fluids contain minerals at commercially meaningful concentrations, 282 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:08,880 those minerals can be evaluated as another potential resource, but only if 283 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:12,559 chemistry proves they are there. Reliable energy and an appropriate 284 00:25:10,559 --> 00:25:16,720 industrial water strategy can help attract private industry. Private 285 00:25:14,559 --> 00:25:22,799 industry creates customers for energy. Investment in infrastructure, jobs and 286 00:25:18,799 --> 00:25:26,799 tax base. And each piece becomes viable to make the next piece easier to 287 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:30,720 develop. That is the loop. Government can help us understand these resources. 288 00:25:28,799 --> 00:25:35,360 State and federal programs can provide research, expertise, data, and 289 00:25:33,039 --> 00:25:39,120 potentially funding. But government is not the economic engine I am proposing. 290 00:25:37,360 --> 00:25:43,200 Private investment is the purpose of understanding the hornado is to put 291 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:47,600 Sierra County in a position to attract responsible private investment if the 292 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:51,039 resources and economics justify it. And I want to be equally clear about the 293 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:54,480 other side of that responsibility. Before we determine where development 294 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:58,640 could occur, we need to know where it should not occur. Responsible resource 295 00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:02,240 strategy identifies freshwater resources, ranching interests, cultural 296 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:06,720 and archeological resources, environmental constraints, military 297 00:26:04,159 --> 00:26:11,200 considerations, existing infrastructure, private property, and other areas that 298 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:14,960 need protection. Finding opportunity and finding out what to protect are not 299 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:18,720 competing missions. They are part of the same job. The problem I have encountered 300 00:26:17,039 --> 00:26:22,799 while doing this research is that the complete picture does not exist in one 301 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:27,840 place. pieces that are held by the New Mexico Bureau of Geology, other pieces 302 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:33,039 in state engineering records, USGS studies, BLM information, university 303 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:37,600 research, historical reports, utility information, land records, and private 304 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:42,799 industry. Some studies are decades old. Some cross the Sierra County line. Some 305 00:26:40,799 --> 00:26:46,720 observations are measured, others are modeled. And some of the data simply, we 306 00:26:45,120 --> 00:26:51,360 need simply have not been collected at the deaths and locations that matter the 307 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:55,039 most to this question. No single commissioner or county employee should 308 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:59,360 be expected to assemble that picture alone. That is why I'm asking this 309 00:26:57,120 --> 00:27:03,440 commission to establish a s county resource working group. It job should 310 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:07,120 not be to promote a predetermined project. It should not be created to 311 00:27:05,360 --> 00:27:11,200 stop development before we understand it. His job should be to bring the 312 00:27:09,279 --> 00:27:14,960 science agencies, land interest, utilities, community interest, the 313 00:27:12,799 --> 00:27:20,559 private sector into one disciplined process focused on. 314 00:27:18,559 --> 00:27:25,120 Assemble what has already been studied. Determine what those studies actually 315 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:28,400 prove. Identify what remains unknown. Map the resources and the constraints 316 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:32,480 together. Determine what needs protection. Identify the questions worth 317 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:35,679 spending money to answer. And begin talking with the private companies and 318 00:27:33,919 --> 00:27:40,080 public agencies that may have a role in what comes next. I that we organize the 319 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:43,840 group within 30 days and give it an initial 90-day working program. That is 320 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:47,760 enough time to begin assembling the evidence and relationships without 321 00:27:45,360 --> 00:27:51,440 turning this into an endless study. And if those relationships begin producing 322 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:55,360 opportunities, we should preserve the institutional knowledge and maintain 323 00:27:53,120 --> 00:27:58,640 important contact afterwards because if Sierra County spends months opening 324 00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:02,159 doors, someone needs to be here when the opportunity calls back. Commissioners, 325 00:28:00,799 --> 00:28:06,720 there may be an opportunity in the Hornado del Mera that Sierra County has 326 00:28:04,159 --> 00:28:12,080 never assembled into one picture. Energy water, minerals, land, infrastructure, 327 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:15,279 industry. Individually, none of those guarantees economic trust trans 328 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:18,559 transformation. But if the evidence shows that they overlap in the right 329 00:28:16,799 --> 00:28:22,000 place, in the right way, and at commercially competitive cost, they 330 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:25,600 could begin supporting one another. Maybe the research tells us that only 331 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:29,520 part of the loop works, then we pursue that part. Maybe it identifies areas 332 00:28:27,919 --> 00:28:33,679 that should not be developed. If we protect them, maybe it tells us the 333 00:28:31,360 --> 00:28:37,919 entire concept is uneconomical. If that is what the evidence says, we need to 334 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:41,919 know that There is another possibility. The Hornado may contain a combination of 335 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:45,919 resources and location advantages capable of attracting private investment 336 00:28:44,159 --> 00:28:49,919 on a scale Sierra County has not previously considered. If that 337 00:28:47,679 --> 00:28:53,840 opportunity exists, I do not want Sierra County discovering it after someone else 338 00:28:51,679 --> 00:28:57,679 does. I'm not asking you today decide the future of the Bernado Del. I'm 339 00:28:56,080 --> 00:29:01,279 asking you make sure that when that those decisions come, Sierra County 340 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:05,600 understands enough to make them for itself. Let's determine what we have, 341 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:09,840 what we need to protect, what is commercially possible, and then let the 342 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:14,480 evidence, not fear and speculation, tell us what comes next. The opportunity may 343 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:18,399 be beneath our feet, the responsibility to understand it is ours. I'm asking 344 00:29:16,559 --> 00:29:23,919 this commission to establish the Sier County resource working group and let us 345 00:29:20,399 --> 00:29:28,000 do the work. Thanks. >> Thank you, Nate. Any questions, 346 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:31,600 gentlemen, for coming? >> Thank you. Did you say who you were 347 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:34,720 representing? private citiz. 348 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:39,360 » Okay. I didn't know if you would. >> No. Basically, uh what's happening right 349 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:44,799 now is we have realized that El cannot sustain our county by itself. And we 350 00:29:42,559 --> 00:29:49,520 have a portion of our community that is that is against any kind of development. 351 00:29:47,919 --> 00:29:53,919 What I'm proposing is that we do development correctly. So, I'm a New 352 00:29:52,399 --> 00:29:59,840 Mexico native. I've been in New Mexico my whole life. I understand community. I 353 00:29:56,559 --> 00:30:05,760 understand New Mexico. But right now, technology that previously wasn't 354 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:09,919 available. So we passed the moratorium on data centers when we didn't 355 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:14,320 understand what we had. If a geothermal company provides the energy and another 356 00:30:12,159 --> 00:30:20,480 company cleans the water, the only thing that a data center emits is humid air. 357 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:24,320 So we did a moratorum and I think that that was the right move because it gives 358 00:30:21,919 --> 00:30:30,880 us 18 months to learn and to study but we need to use those 18 months. We can't 359 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:35,279 sit on our hands and not do anything for the next drought, the next thing that 360 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:39,200 comes along. We're in trouble. And you know, it's got me worried. I'm standing 361 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:43,120 here today because no one else is. That's the only reason I'm standing 362 00:30:40,559 --> 00:30:46,720 here. So, if someone else has done this idea, I'd be happy to be fishing right 363 00:30:44,799 --> 00:30:53,360 now. That's pretty much what I have for you. 364 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:57,679 » Anything else? Nate, really appreciate you putting this stuff together, 365 00:30:55,360 --> 00:31:00,480 bringing The commission will take your request and revis. 366 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:07,679 » Yes, sir. Thank you. >> Thank you. 367 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:13,399 Okay. Now, man, Sier County GRT and >> we're going to employ new technology 368 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:13,399 here. So yeah, it's probably 369 00:31:34,936 --> 00:31:36,956 » [snorts] 370 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:55,720 » Thank you, Monica. [snorts] 371 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,720 » Okay, 372 00:31:55,840 --> 00:32:01,039 commissioners. Thank you so much. Today I'm going to present some information 373 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:05,360 that's been requested regarding Sierra County's economic status and tourism 374 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:09,360 indicators. So first I want to go through what data 375 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:13,919 I collected. So the first thing I went through was the total GRT that is 376 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:18,080 provided by New Mexico Tax and Rev. An important note about this is it is two 377 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:22,159 months behind. I just got June's data yesterday and I incorporated in that. So 378 00:32:20,559 --> 00:32:26,399 it'll be interesting to see what July's data says. I also broke it down by 379 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:30,720 industry that is also listed on New Mexico tax and rev on the spreadsheets 380 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:34,799 they provide. Also thankful thankful to all the other entities who provided me 381 00:32:33,039 --> 00:32:39,200 lodgers tax. I use that in this presentation as well. And then I also 382 00:32:36,799 --> 00:32:43,120 used the reservoir data for elephant but some of the percentage full. I also 383 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:47,440 looked at labor and visitation statistics which came from the bureau of 384 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:52,600 labor statistics as well as local news sources and counts from state parks that 385 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,600 have been publicized. 386 00:32:54,559 --> 00:33:03,840 So the first one here is just a graph of over the last couple years from 2023 to 387 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:11,799 2026 of the lake levels. So 2023 you can see it's in blue. It starts under 15 388 00:33:08,159 --> 00:33:11,799 starts under sorry 389 00:33:11,919 --> 00:33:18,799 starts under 15% goes up to about 30 and then goes back down. As you can tell 390 00:33:16,559 --> 00:33:23,013 over the years it has continually dropped every year. We haven't quite 391 00:33:20,399 --> 00:33:25,519 made it back up to that. >> [clears throat] 392 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:30,240 » Next one is elephant but nature holiday visitation. So if you look at Memorial 393 00:33:27,679 --> 00:33:36,480 Day in 2025 there was approximately 60,000 visitors to the lake and in 2026 394 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:43,919 approximately 35,000. That's a decrease of about 42%. On 4th of July in 2024 we 395 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:49,279 had approximately 110,000 people visit and in 2026 it was reported 82,000 396 00:33:47,039 --> 00:33:55,279 people. Some other statistics there is Labor Day in 2023 we had about 26,000 397 00:33:52,480 --> 00:34:00,480 Junth last Father's Day in 2026 we had 42,000 and then again that number from 398 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:04,480 4th of July. Next what I looked at was a regional 399 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:09,679 total [clears throat] GRT by entity entity. This is apples to apples 400 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:13,359 comparisons. This is just January through June which was the data I had 401 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:18,000 and I wanted to show over that same time period what was happening in each of the 402 00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:21,839 entities GRT. So if you look at Sierra County, we have been pretty stable over 403 00:34:20,240 --> 00:34:28,399 the last couple years. It was up in 2023, down a little in 2024, up in 25, 404 00:34:26,079 --> 00:34:33,440 and about the same in 26. Truth of consequences, kind of the same story. 405 00:34:30,399 --> 00:34:39,440 Up, down, up, and up. Elephant but they had a low year in 23 and pretty steady 406 00:34:36,079 --> 00:34:44,879 years in 24 and 25, and in 26 it's gone down. Williamsburg has continually gone 407 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:48,800 down since 2023. So just to give an idea the pool, this 408 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:53,200 is Sierra County, the unincorporated area of Sierra County, January through 409 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:57,359 June for 2026. Just showing the different industries. So if you look 410 00:34:54,960 --> 00:35:02,320 there, construction is the big one in blue. It's about $99,000 since January. 411 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:06,720 And if you notice, there is a lot of different categories. The two big ones 412 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:12,800 are construction and retail trade. Construction is not tourism driven. A 413 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:16,480 lot of these are not. So what I did next was I went ahead and pulled out the 414 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:22,160 industries that are tourist sensitive GRTs. So accommodations and food which 415 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:27,200 includes hotels, motel, ins and lodging, restaurants and food service, fast food, 416 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:31,040 coffee shops and bars. Uh arts, entertainment and recreation which is 417 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:34,880 marinas and recreational businesses, sports and recreation facilities, 418 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:38,400 attraction and entertainment. And then retail trade which grocery and 419 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:42,880 convenience stores, sporting recreation related retail, general merchandise and 420 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:46,800 other stores. This is tourism sensitive but not tourism specific because 421 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:51,839 obviously the folks who live here also shop 422 00:35:49,359 --> 00:35:56,320 here right is the I broke each down by the tourism sensitive GRT 423 00:35:53,680 --> 00:36:00,880 year-over-year. If you look at Sierra County, you can see those items. This is 424 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:05,760 the unincorporated areas has gone up consistently since 2023. When you turn 425 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:10,680 around and look at TC, it has had the opposite. It has gone down since 2023. 426 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:23,440 Next, looking at Elephant View, you can see 2023 was about 164,000. It went up 427 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:29,920 to 190, went up to 202, and then now back down in 2026 to 182,000. 428 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:34,200 Williamsburg low in 23, then up up, and then back down a little bit in 2026. 429 00:36:37,599 --> 00:36:46,079 The next set of data is the watchers tax data over from 2023 to 2026 for each of 430 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:53,119 those entities as well. If you look at Sierra County, we were high in 2024 or 431 00:36:48,960 --> 00:37:00,960 2023, sorry, down 2024, up and up again in 25 and 26. TC low in 23 pretty high 432 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:07,839 in 24 and then down in 25 and down even lower in 26 which is about a 14% 433 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:14,880 decrease from 24 to 26. Elephant but theirs is was up in 23 really high in 24 434 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:21,280 down in 25 level at 26 but if you look at 24 to 26 that's a 60% decrease. 435 00:37:19,359 --> 00:37:27,960 uh Williamsburg, low in 23, high in 24, high in 25, and 436 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,960 low in 26. 437 00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:36,400 So, the next piece of data I pulled was the Sierra County labor market. So, 438 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:41,920 looking at this, this shows you the labor force and who's employed. So, 439 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:47,839 labor force right now is 4,237 people. We have 3,982 440 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:53,599 people employed. That leaves 255 people unemployed at this moment. That's a 6% 441 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:59,680 6% unemployment. Uh the labor force has increased from January till June by 17 442 00:37:57,359 --> 00:38:05,040 people and then is the employed has increased by 67. That a decrease of 443 00:38:02,240 --> 00:38:11,040 unemployed by 50. So that is a change of 7.2% unemployment rate to a 6% 444 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:15,280 unemployment rate. So what this data shows me overall 445 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:19,119 government GRT remains relatively strong. It's supported in part by the 446 00:38:17,359 --> 00:38:23,200 construction. Even while some visitor sensitive indicators show some weakness, 447 00:38:21,599 --> 00:38:26,880 the construction has been making up for that. Construction has been up 448 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:33,680 year-over-year. Lodgers tax shows the clearest weakness. January through June 449 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:41,520 26 is at 14.7% below 2024 in tier C and 60%.4 60.4% % below in 2024 in Elute. 450 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:45,680 Tourism sensitive GRT is mixed by entity and industry. Broad retail trade is an 451 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:50,640 indicator of visitor activity, not tourism only. And labor condition 452 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:55,359 weakened early in 2026, but is improved by June. Reservoir levels provide an 453 00:38:53,440 --> 00:39:00,000 important context, but these indicators don't necessarily establish a causation. 454 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:03,200 I think with the month of July getting that data in there it's really going to 455 00:39:01,599 --> 00:39:07,839 show a bigger picture because we have seen over this year a decline in those 456 00:39:05,599 --> 00:39:10,839 tourism sensitive GRTs with that I'll stand 457 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,000 too 458 00:39:22,240 --> 00:39:29,280 you're an analytical sort and that that helps us get a picture of what's 459 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,280 happening 460 00:39:37,119 --> 00:39:44,760 Um, Amber, I see on here we kind of look at 461 00:39:45,599 --> 00:39:51,800 2023 to 2026. When we compared 462 00:39:51,839 --> 00:40:01,359 like tax and GRT tax, we looked at 463 00:39:57,599 --> 00:40:10,320 the comparison between 2024 and 2026. Was was that a 2024 a better year than 464 00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:17,280 23 and 25? >> Yes. And a lot of these 2024 2023 is 465 00:40:13,599 --> 00:40:22,800 good in Rogers tax in Sierra County, but it went down. It's gone down since then. 466 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:26,000 So I I I just went with three years of data because I had a short amount of 467 00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:33,320 time to do my own. >> Okay. 468 00:40:27,599 --> 00:40:33,320 Um, and the other question I had was 469 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:42,560 when I look at all these numbers, they're January through June. We look at 470 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:50,960 tourism numbers, logers tax. I know you do have some year stuff on tax, but um, 471 00:40:47,119 --> 00:40:56,560 what what happens when you go July 1 through December 31? What happens 472 00:40:55,200 --> 00:41:01,599 then? I mean, is that not is am I incorrect in 473 00:40:59,839 --> 00:41:05,520 my thought that that's not included? >> That is not included in there. I did an 474 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:11,359 apples to apples comparison for those months to include the full year data and 475 00:41:08,720 --> 00:41:15,200 the other would skew the differences amongst the different 476 00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:19,599 » couldn't be I couldn't compare. I'd have to do a month-to-month comparison for 477 00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:23,440 that. And that's what I did here. it was just combined January through July or 478 00:41:21,599 --> 00:41:27,520 June because that was the data that was consistent amongst all of those years. 479 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:33,680 » And I understand that that would be the case to look at 26. That makes sense. 480 00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:38,960 But what would been helpful for me is to have those July 1 through January one 481 00:41:37,599 --> 00:41:41,599 for the previous years. >> Sir, I have that information available. 482 00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:45,760 I can email it to you if you'd like. >> That'd be great. Yeah, because I I don't 483 00:41:43,599 --> 00:41:49,520 know how that spines, you know, really our tourism. 484 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:55,760 This is But uh it seems to me like we hit 485 00:41:52,160 --> 00:42:01,680 Memorial Day which is first part of June, right? And then our big attendance 486 00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:07,359 rolls through about Labor Day. Labor Day falls off 487 00:42:04,240 --> 00:42:12,880 every year and uh or at least in my opinion and and that stuff that isn't in 488 00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:18,480 here. So it's it's hard to get that data through to date. 489 00:42:15,599 --> 00:42:22,480 Um and I had one other question. had a conversation with the mayor of 490 00:42:20,240 --> 00:42:29,280 Williamsburg. Um, and I thought she told me 491 00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:33,520 that their gross receipts was the highest it ever been. 492 00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:37,520 » In May of this year, the GRT that represented May was the highest we had 493 00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:41,839 ever seen. It was the highest that Williamsburg had ever seen. It has since 494 00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:47,720 dropped. I have the figure here with the new June numbers. The new June was 25% 495 00:42:44,720 --> 00:42:47,720 less. 496 00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:55,599 Wonder why that other >> in May. The the big indicator with the 497 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:59,000 May business activity was construction jumped considerably. 498 00:42:59,839 --> 00:43:04,119 » It has now since gone back down. 499 00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:10,680 And then I have one other question and I'm not trying to question your 500 00:43:12,319 --> 00:43:23,280 I attended some ongoing meetings with with state parks on sewer plant stuff 501 00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:28,960 and they represented us that the attendance 502 00:43:26,079 --> 00:43:35,520 in 25 was was up from 24. Is that is that what you 503 00:43:32,720 --> 00:43:42,720 reflect or I mean I know we picked the holidays out but does how does that 504 00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:46,720 reflect with total attendance? >> So I just I did not get this information 505 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:50,480 from the state parks. I do have an email that I'm sending to them to get their 506 00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:54,000 official records to update this to have a little more depth in the visitor 507 00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:57,760 percentage. These were just what was available online. 508 00:43:56,240 --> 00:44:03,359 » Okay. Yeah. Because that was one of my questions to him as we look through 509 00:44:00,319 --> 00:44:08,480 through the attendance and how we were working on another issue and we were 510 00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:12,079 concerned then about attendance and how it was going to affect all the sewer 511 00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:19,079 stuff and and that was their response which 512 00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:19,079 was quite a surprise to me. 513 00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:24,240 » Yes sir. Some other data that I would like that I'm planning on pulling and 514 00:44:22,720 --> 00:44:28,400 putting in the presentation in the future would be business licenses as 515 00:44:26,079 --> 00:44:34,200 well to see year over year there have been increases and decreases in what's 516 00:44:30,240 --> 00:44:34,200 been going on with business licenses. 517 00:44:43,119 --> 00:44:46,119 » So 518 00:44:47,839 --> 00:44:53,040 tell me what you think about Honestly, 519 00:44:51,599 --> 00:44:55,760 » what's this data showing you? >> Right now, this data is showing me I 520 00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:59,680 don't have enough data to make an opinion. I would really need July 521 00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:03,760 through September. I think that's going to be the biggest indicator of what the 522 00:45:01,599 --> 00:45:07,599 lake levels and the tourism has been going through. Unfortunately, because 523 00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:10,800 the data is well September obviously hasn't happened yet and it's a couple 524 00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:15,760 months behind. It is going to take some time to actually see that the the data 525 00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:20,480 comes out for two months behind on the 15th of every month. 526 00:45:18,319 --> 00:45:24,000 » So, future is either un it could be bright or unsure. 527 00:45:21,839 --> 00:45:28,960 » Correct. I mean, just looking at the GRT between May and June with a 25% decrease 528 00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:32,960 is kind of concerning even though May was one of our highest months ever. It 529 00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:36,800 it does concern me a little bit. It needs to be monitored. 530 00:45:35,119 --> 00:45:44,160 » And I said the other day, you know, we've had some hotel shut down on Rogers 531 00:45:39,119 --> 00:45:49,160 tax obviously have their shut down the elephant's been down. 532 00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:59,880 And so we're seeing some of that. And then the other thing that that I think 533 00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:59,880 is maybe raised some concerns with 534 00:46:01,359 --> 00:46:09,200 and I'm not mad at me, but I don't know how well 535 00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:14,960 we're tracking how that's affecting I know that's 536 00:46:11,599 --> 00:46:18,839 certainly an issue. starting to track somewhere. 537 00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:28,960 Is that a trend you think that's the >> I think I mean speaking anecdotally for 538 00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:33,520 people who I know who have Airbnbs who are used to having them booked solid 539 00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:37,200 from June, July and August. I know a couple who only have one booking in 540 00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:42,760 August and one in July. That's just anecdotal. I don't have any facts on 541 00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,760 that. 542 00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:50,880 Thank you. Well, I think it's a start and it's really a a good comparison and 543 00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:55,599 a good kind of a a bell weather to indicate what we can 544 00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:59,680 expect in the future. So, thank you for putting this together and just an 545 00:46:57,839 --> 00:47:03,520 excellent report. We'll look for an update maybe October, November. 546 00:47:02,079 --> 00:47:06,680 » Yes, sir. Thank you very much. >> Thank you. 547 00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:18,599 Okay, we'll go on to the board of finance July 2026 548 00:47:15,599 --> 00:47:18,599 reconciliation 549 00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:26,717 packet answer questions 550 00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:26,717 not [snorts] 551 00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:35,240 » Mr. I move to approve July 552 00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:42,119 there. Second move and second. All in favor say. 553 00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:50,240 » We have uh in our old business theou between Sierra 554 00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:57,440 County and the city of truth or consequences regarding coordination of 555 00:47:52,720 --> 00:48:01,440 development along shared boundaries. City Manager Gary Whitehead, we 556 00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:06,960 appreciate you being here. Thank you for taking time out of your schedule and uh 557 00:48:04,079 --> 00:48:13,640 helping us with this. So, if you would uh you want to update us on the the 558 00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:13,640 coordination in the meetings, 559 00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:22,559 so again, good to be here. I apologize for not thinking or being aware to be 560 00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:26,720 here today was going to come, but I'm glad to be here. 561 00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:31,839 You know, we've been doing together and I do um as I try to do things within the 562 00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:35,599 city, I think partnerships are the right decision and us, you know, working 563 00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:38,880 together. I I really applaud Amber on that last report. I'd like to spend some 564 00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:43,760 more time with her and put our data together. I would concur with her 565 00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:47,440 findings and the trends, right? And unfortunately, I take a look at what the 566 00:48:45,359 --> 00:48:53,040 city's doing in gross receipt tax and concur that's up our tax has definitely 567 00:48:50,559 --> 00:48:56,160 been trending down the entire year. So, I don't know that it's necessary. I can 568 00:48:54,960 --> 00:49:00,160 go back It's an anomaly of we're not catching or 569 00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:04,640 not seeing all those that are participating. That would be a small 570 00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:07,599 picture, right? It's just trended lower which would tell me, you know, less 571 00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:11,599 people are coming to stay in those facilities. And we've taken that 572 00:49:09,599 --> 00:49:14,960 serious. we purchased a software pack because it will help us make sure that 573 00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:20,000 we can collect data for those that are participating in both in all the vendors 574 00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:23,760 that that offer that service that we can collect those and make sure that we're 575 00:49:21,839 --> 00:49:28,000 charging fairly across the board to make sure that we're so we'll continue to 576 00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:33,520 work but I do look forward to great report as it relates to the uh the 577 00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:39,119 memorandum of understanding what came to our attention a few months 578 00:49:36,079 --> 00:49:42,720 back as the loves came online and became aware that particular part of our 579 00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:47,040 community is becoming attractive to other vendors, right? I know we know the 580 00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:52,160 big box retailers tend to follow each other, right? CVS is next to Walgreens, 581 00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:55,680 right? Walmarts and Targets and Home Depot and Lowe's tend to follow. And I 582 00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:59,599 think we're seeing a similar situation where where the Loves has, you know, 583 00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:03,040 competitors that would look at their model and decide whether they wanted to 584 00:50:01,119 --> 00:50:08,400 come to town. The city of Truth and Consequences did receive inquiries from 585 00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:12,720 another particular potential outside that wanted move to the area and it 586 00:50:10,720 --> 00:50:17,359 became clear to us that that particular area is kind of has that end of our 587 00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:21,920 boundary. Our our municipality ends there and the county's jurisdiction 588 00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:26,079 falls into place right next to that. So, it became clear that we needed to make 589 00:50:23,599 --> 00:50:30,559 sure we had some uh idea or understanding of how we could partner to 590 00:50:28,319 --> 00:50:34,720 make sure that any potential similar business in that area would have to 591 00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:39,200 follow or be at least aware of some of the similar conditions that the current 592 00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:44,240 provider I'll use. We made them go through several steps. 593 00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:47,680 There's several rules within our um our ordinances that they had to follow and 594 00:50:45,839 --> 00:50:51,920 we felt like a vendor coming in across the street from them may not have the 595 00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:55,680 same obligations. So that's how we ended up starting on this mission to ask the 596 00:50:53,680 --> 00:51:01,920 county if they would enter at least anou with us. In our discussions uh we did 597 00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:06,880 discuss briefly the extr territorial zone. Right. There is statutes that 598 00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:10,800 require an ETZ. Um, both your county attorney and our attorney felt like this 599 00:51:08,559 --> 00:51:14,960 particular issue was not to get into the the meat and the potatoes of the law and 600 00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:20,240 try to find the nuances that we could. We wanted to respect each other's given 601 00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:23,520 authority within the law. And so any of those conditions that would exist under 602 00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:27,839 the extr territorial zone would play themselves out as they did. This 603 00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:33,040 document before you is simply a way to say if if a potential customer comes to 604 00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:38,319 you and that they wanted to develop a land that was connected to our boundary 605 00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:44,160 that sits adjacent to where our infrastructure was. If they were asking 606 00:51:41,359 --> 00:51:48,800 you to potentially say, "How can we hook up to the city's infrastructure?" 607 00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:51,920 Your position would be at least you need you're going to have to work with the 608 00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:57,119 city of truth for consequences and you may be required to comply with their 609 00:51:53,839 --> 00:52:01,839 zoning regulations to do so. And so that was the I think the foundation that we 610 00:51:59,119 --> 00:52:05,520 finally stood on when we developed the Your attorney certainly brought some, 611 00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:10,000 you know, some protections for the county on that was the one piece within 612 00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:14,160 theou that we felt was significant to say the one piece that we would have 613 00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:18,240 would be if one of the vendors wanted to attach to city utility infrastructure 614 00:52:16,720 --> 00:52:23,359 that they would have to follow the same rules. But I'll share with you um with 615 00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:28,559 the Loves, we use several pieces of our tool box to help loves come to town. We 616 00:52:26,240 --> 00:52:32,319 used the Lita statute within our ordinance to create a condition that we 617 00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:38,319 could provide them some economic development based on jobs. Um we 618 00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:42,800 required that loves put in the the sewer transmission line that connected to our 619 00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:47,119 line of copper. Loves was required to put in and improve the water line from 620 00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:50,960 the tanks underneath the road they were going to build. We all said that that 621 00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:54,640 was the leadup and then they and they had to pay for the extension of the 622 00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:59,040 electric line so that they could get significant the sufficient power that 623 00:52:56,480 --> 00:53:02,240 they needed. So, we use the tools, we charge them, and we want to be able to 624 00:53:00,720 --> 00:53:06,720 do that same thing with a potential vendor that's going to come next to us. 625 00:53:04,720 --> 00:53:10,960 So, with that, Mr. Chairman, members of the commission, I would stand for 626 00:53:08,079 --> 00:53:15,520 questions and continue the dialogue. Before we go to questions, attorney, did 627 00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:19,119 you have anything to add? >> Mr. Chairman, I think uh Mr. White did a 628 00:53:17,599 --> 00:53:22,400 great job explaining this. Certainly we had concerns when we received the 629 00:53:20,559 --> 00:53:26,640 original from the city and we went through and highlighted those concerns 630 00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:30,480 in red line format. We sat down for a meeting with the city and negotiated 631 00:53:28,240 --> 00:53:34,400 that out. Um and through those changes we preserve the county's um regulatory 632 00:53:32,720 --> 00:53:38,800 authority over areas within its jurisdiction. Um specifically in section 633 00:53:37,119 --> 00:53:42,079 one we incorporate provision that said that nothing inou alters, expands, 634 00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:45,599 diminishes or otherwise affects the statuto or regulatory authority of 635 00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:48,480 either party. We included a provision in section three which provides that any 636 00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:52,240 city comments on county development applications are advisory only and not 637 00:53:50,720 --> 00:53:55,760 binding on the county and further preserves the county's authority over 638 00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:59,119 applications from the jurisdiction. Um section four expressly states that 639 00:53:57,359 --> 00:54:03,520 nothing inou transfers zoning authority from the governing jurisdiction. Uh and 640 00:54:01,839 --> 00:54:06,800 then the later provides that doesn't delegate or transfer any statuto 641 00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:11,599 authority or restrict either party's police powers. section 9 or 11 642 00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:14,960 specifically pervert preserve to each party's independent legislative 643 00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:19,040 regulatory peritting zoning utility police car or other governmental 644 00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:22,000 authority. What we understood this to do was if someone or a developer would want 645 00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:25,119 something from the city that they're going to have to comply with the city's 646 00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:29,040 um zoning ordinances and other regulations and requirements in order to 647 00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:33,119 be able to get those utilities. So it doesn't it makes it clear in section 648 00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:36,559 three that it's permissive that we may submit that application over to the 649 00:54:34,720 --> 00:54:42,000 city. Does not require that we do so. This is just a to cooperate um with the 650 00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:45,440 city to ensure the development um doesn't catch them off guard and that 651 00:54:44,079 --> 00:54:49,880 developers comply with their requirements before they move forward 652 00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:49,880 with their developments. 653 00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:58,000 » I I just want to make a comment. U we have two of the three mayors involved 654 00:54:55,839 --> 00:55:03,760 sitting with us today. We are in such a good place when it 655 00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:06,880 comes to cooperation and coordination and that includes the mayor of 656 00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:11,760 Williamsburg. Uh everything that we do is trying to 657 00:55:10,240 --> 00:55:17,280 provide better environment, economic opportunity 658 00:55:14,079 --> 00:55:21,920 for our citizens, the ability to keep our kids home 659 00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:29,599 when they graduate high school and give them opportunities and and keep them 660 00:55:25,599 --> 00:55:35,040 close if they choose to be. But the the atmosphere of cooperation 661 00:55:31,839 --> 00:55:39,520 is is in thisou. The city is within authorities. The 662 00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:45,599 county is within their authorities. We would take an application and if they 663 00:55:42,240 --> 00:55:49,359 want to hook up to uh city infrastructure and utilities, they're 664 00:55:47,839 --> 00:55:53,599 going to need to negotiate with the city. We're not going to do that for 665 00:55:50,720 --> 00:56:01,280 them. It's not our place. But we would encourage 666 00:55:56,640 --> 00:56:07,680 uh development outside of the limits of any of the three communities that that 667 00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:12,720 we have and seek to make that the least cumbersome that we can and still provide 668 00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:17,200 for protection 669 00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:23,200 uh a good environment and coordination with the city. So I think this is an 670 00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:29,040 outstanding document. I'm really glad we this because it gave the city manager 671 00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:34,160 and the county manager uh time to work out some things and the two attorneys 672 00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:38,400 contributed significantly to this. So, thank you Amber and Gary and all those 673 00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:40,799 involved. Gentlemen, do you have questions or 674 00:56:39,839 --> 00:56:46,200 comments? >> No, I just like to comment on Attorney 675 00:57:02,240 --> 00:57:13,400 That's an inside joke between me and my new um Dave 676 00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:13,400 on the legal side of this. What? 677 00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:19,680 As I read through here, it says nonbinding. Nonbinding doesn't change 678 00:57:17,839 --> 00:57:25,440 anything. Why not just a simple paragraph 679 00:57:24,079 --> 00:57:32,640 that says, "Hey guys, we're going to play well in the sandbox together and 680 00:57:29,119 --> 00:57:38,079 and it's okay." Why? Why? I mean, we put a lot of words in here that if you read 681 00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:43,040 through, it doesn't do anything. >> Mr. Chairman, Mr. Jones, that's not what 682 00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:46,559 the city proposed. City proposed a eight page 683 00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:50,559 or a six page and I went through it and and addressed those those concerns that 684 00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:54,559 I had out of each section. So, yes, you're reading what they had and then we 685 00:57:52,799 --> 00:58:02,640 kind of adjusted that to address my concerns or the county's concerns. 686 00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:06,000 » Uh so Gary and these are out of total respect. I sure I think you know how 687 00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:12,640 much I appreciate what you're doing with the city. So um but let's just go back 688 00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:19,520 to the utilities issue. What what utilities let's say I'm I want 689 00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:25,599 to build a Taj Mahal next to the county next to the city. property. What 690 00:58:21,839 --> 00:58:29,839 utilities can you extend? >> Mr. Chairman, Mr. Jones, so again, if 691 00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:34,319 you're connected directly to our boundary in most areas, you have some 692 00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:39,119 weaknesses when you when you go north and I'm talking about this area I'm 693 00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:43,280 talking about. We could extend everything to water, waste water, sewer, 694 00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:47,319 trash, we could provide you all 695 00:58:48,079 --> 00:58:53,440 in that. >> Okay. So I'm going to I'm going to ask 696 00:58:50,799 --> 00:58:58,720 you this question. What statuto authority do you have to expand service 697 00:58:56,160 --> 00:59:02,319 outside your service? >> I could not answer that. 698 00:59:00,079 --> 00:59:06,880 » I can't I would expect that as the chairman of PRC clearly ask me and I 699 00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:13,920 would ask you that question if I >> you don't electric certificate for 700 00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:17,599 convenience to service that area. >> So that's one thing that I find that 701 00:59:15,599 --> 00:59:24,240 might be a little bit confusing. might look out and 702 00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:29,520 I knew that was a question that I had and we just kept talking about this. So 703 00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:36,799 that I have a little bit of concern. what uh what business could come to you 704 00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:40,480 whether located in the city or someone outside of the city and let's go to 705 00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:44,720 water and sewer because I happen to think 706 00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:49,520 I could be wrong pretending to be legal here but I I happen to think that you 707 00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:58,400 can extend water and sewer outside of your boundary to accommodate 708 00:59:53,839 --> 01:00:02,160 but any business that wants to locate in within 709 00:59:59,920 --> 01:00:06,720 municipal boundaries, city boundaries or outside. 710 01:00:04,319 --> 01:00:11,760 What services would you provide to them for free 711 01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:18,480 as far as infrastructure? Would you not be obligated to would the 712 01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:24,319 developer not be obligated to to pay for the up and downream cost to the 713 01:00:21,839 --> 01:00:29,440 system? >> I would say under the guise of the 714 01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:37,040 service. Yes, they would be required to pay. So again, if I charge charge 14.2 715 01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:41,680 using electric as an example, but water my water rates, I would charge that 716 01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:46,799 customer for the water rates. But at the same time, my ordinance don't extend. I 717 01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:52,319 can't charge that particular vendor or outside business for the um fees that we 718 01:00:50,559 --> 01:00:56,400 would have for for connecting to the system. Right? So we charge impact fees 719 01:00:54,960 --> 01:01:01,119 in the city to any business that's inside the city. So I wouldn't have a 720 01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:05,280 mechanism by which I can charge provided that the extr territorial zone within 721 01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:09,680 statute doesn't provide that. Right? So that's again a condition that I may have 722 01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:15,200 to go look at and deter. >> So let's say that somebody wanted to 723 01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:21,680 build a hotel across the river where you have no city utilities there and they 724 01:01:18,799 --> 01:01:25,839 wanted city water. Would you extend that to them or would they have to pay for 725 01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:29,359 the aids to construction to have those extensions made? I would assume that I 726 01:01:27,839 --> 01:01:32,559 would negotiate with that particular business for a contract that would 727 01:01:31,119 --> 01:01:36,480 require that they input the infrastructure to connect to our closest 728 01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:40,720 point of connection that we could provide them. I did not assume that I 729 01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:44,640 was that I would have an obligation to provide them just because they're 730 01:01:42,799 --> 01:01:50,480 » right and that and that's kind of utility regulation 101 you don't affect 731 01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:55,280 the customer base somebody new coming along you get the upstream and 732 01:01:52,319 --> 01:02:01,760 downstream cost so I appreciate that but in this change any of that. I mean, it's 733 01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:07,599 just it's simple as if I'm a developer, I know I got to come to the city and he 734 01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:11,599 who has the gold make the rules. So, I would have to comply with whatever you 735 01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:16,240 wanted me to comply with in order to hook up. Correct. 736 01:02:14,079 --> 01:02:20,640 » Mr. Chair and Mr. Jones, technically, but you wouldn't have to comply with my 737 01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:24,640 sign ordinances, my road ordinances, my animal control. that particular business 738 01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:29,760 because it falls within the jurisdiction of the county would be subject to your 739 01:02:27,119 --> 01:02:33,280 regulations and rules. And so if that particular business chose to say we're 740 01:02:31,839 --> 01:02:37,040 going to put in our own infrastructure, we're going to drill our own well. We 741 01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:40,400 choose to partner with CR Electric Co-op versus partner with the city. We'll 742 01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:45,839 build everything in the county. Then I would have no authority other than to go 743 01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:49,839 to the ETZ statute within law and determine how would I make that 744 01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:54,319 particular business comply. Right? So that would be the only potential 745 01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:58,799 opportunity I would have to to bring that business comp. 746 01:02:56,160 --> 01:03:03,760 » So So you brought up some good examples of zoning, animal control, all of those 747 01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:07,280 other things. Is that spot zoning? >> Mr. Chairman, uh Mr. Jones, I'm not in 748 01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:10,799 the spot that I could answer that question. I would assume not spot 749 01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:14,960 zoning, but again, if I was going to make you as a business owner comply with 750 01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:21,280 all of mine, that potentially could be some form of spot and and spot zoning 751 01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:26,559 has a different conotation and complies with spots, right? It has some 752 01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:33,599 but I'm not prepared to debate that. >> I I know and and Gary, I 753 01:03:31,039 --> 01:03:38,960 again I have so much respect for you and I remember a day at a meeting in Sierra 754 01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:44,000 County when we brought up zoning. >> Does that ring a bell? Yes, sir. 755 01:03:41,839 --> 01:03:48,319 » So, and I and I guess whenever we mention zoning in any of this, I'm going 756 01:03:45,839 --> 01:03:52,880 to have to ask our commissioners, are we for zoning of 757 01:03:51,119 --> 01:03:58,079 and how does that fit with our constituency. So that I'm going to tell 758 01:03:55,119 --> 01:04:02,240 you that is a concern. If it's a matter of kicking in the ET, then we all get 759 01:04:00,079 --> 01:04:06,720 together and go along with that because as I read 760 01:04:05,119 --> 01:04:10,480 this, with all due respect, we can you can 761 01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:15,119 come in and say if you're going to hook up to my water, you're going to you're 762 01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:20,319 going to have you're not going to exceed the height of your steeple. 763 01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:25,440 30 some black I think probably love's got a 764 01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:31,520 variance on your stuff because that I can see that sign from my house which is 765 01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:35,119 okay I don't but if we say hey we don't want that to be 30 ft high we have 766 01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:41,280 nothing we can say if they hook up to your wall it's your your decision you're 767 01:04:39,359 --> 01:04:46,079 going to decide whether or not they can build a steeple 30 ft high or not and it 768 01:04:44,319 --> 01:04:52,799 takes a little bit of authority away from from the county 769 01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:57,119 And I think I made my very clear on everything I say. Taking and removing 770 01:04:55,119 --> 01:05:04,599 our authority from the county in my books is not healthy to the 771 01:05:01,599 --> 01:05:04,599 constituency. 772 01:05:05,839 --> 01:05:13,119 And I should have just pontificated on that. I got that the word zoning was 773 01:05:11,039 --> 01:05:18,240 mentioned in here in a couple of places. One, it said wouldn't wouldn't apply at 774 01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:24,559 all. And then we go to the next page and mentioned a couple of times. 775 01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:27,559 So that that's a concern. Um 776 01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:35,480 I don't need to belabor a bunch of it. I I I just have a lot of concerns about 777 01:05:36,559 --> 01:05:45,680 about making it into a formal agreement that in my view doesn't do anything 778 01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:49,520 other than maybe create a possibility for spots only outside. 779 01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:57,920 And then there's one other thing and I keep and I'll bring this up again. We 780 01:05:55,520 --> 01:06:03,359 talk about cooperation between element view county and Williamsburg. 781 01:06:01,119 --> 01:06:08,480 We it doesn't seem like we ever mention Williamsburg anymore. I I don't know 782 01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:13,440 that Williamsburg has been involved in any meetings or those kind of things. 783 01:06:10,799 --> 01:06:17,359 And I I would encourage those who are having meetings looking towards our 784 01:06:15,359 --> 01:06:22,559 future to always think about invite 785 01:06:20,079 --> 01:06:28,400 the village of Williamsburg because they certainly part of this 786 01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:33,280 and for that Mr. I I don't know that I would support this 787 01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:38,640 in this in this context. Might support it if we change a little bit of 788 01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:44,079 language, but as as stated, I I would 789 01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:49,839 that's all I appreciate your comments. 790 01:06:46,799 --> 01:06:55,319 I think that a lot of the things that we do are are 791 01:06:55,520 --> 01:07:04,000 documents to move us forward. always [snorts] 792 01:07:01,599 --> 01:07:09,520 with a backwards reflection things that we can do better in the future. 793 01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:14,880 This is a first step. The purpose is to enhance the 794 01:07:12,079 --> 01:07:19,440 cooperation between the city and the county and trying to look forward that 795 01:07:16,799 --> 01:07:26,160 there are lands that are outside the boundaries of TRC that may be available 796 01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:33,039 for development and the county is not going to develop a 797 01:07:29,839 --> 01:07:38,880 water system or wastewater system, an electrical grid 798 01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:43,920 and we do not want to inhibit devel development, but we also want to work 799 01:07:41,839 --> 01:07:48,319 with the city so that if there are extensions 800 01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:57,599 of utilities and infrastructure, the city is dealing with that. I I really 801 01:07:53,920 --> 01:08:01,039 don't see where your comments about the height of the steeple that the city is 802 01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:04,960 going to have any control over that. This document doesn't say we're giving 803 01:08:02,799 --> 01:08:09,839 up that control. It does actually because it says that they'll comply with 804 01:08:07,039 --> 01:08:14,480 the city's stony if they hook up to their utilities and there is a height 805 01:08:12,079 --> 01:08:21,520 restriction on building heights in in city of TC. There was a waiver given to 806 01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:26,239 the Holiday in I remember when that came up you know and and I thought it was 807 01:08:24,159 --> 01:08:32,000 silly at that time. There was a waiver given to the Baptist church downtown for 808 01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:39,359 building night. So as an example if somebody wants to to Loves and wants to 809 01:08:35,279 --> 01:08:44,000 have a sign equally as high as Loves on county property, it could very easily 810 01:08:42,239 --> 01:08:47,440 conceive that the city would kick in their zoning and say, "No, you can't 811 01:08:45,679 --> 01:08:53,120 have that." Now, as a developer and if somebody that 812 01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:58,880 has probably 40 years of experience in this, the worst thing I can do is 813 01:08:56,319 --> 01:09:04,319 somebody coming to a community is coming to somebody and say, "Oh, by the way, we 814 01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:08,560 have one other that you need to talk to. If I'm talking directly to the city, I 815 01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:13,600 don't want to have to go to the county. That is a deterrent to develop. I don't 816 01:09:12,159 --> 01:09:18,960 know where anybody can think any different because I've been in these. 817 01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:24,640 It's a deterrent when if I go to the county and we say, "Oh, by the way, you 818 01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:28,400 got to go talk to the city now and they're going to review your your 819 01:09:26,159 --> 01:09:35,040 plans." Every time you add a layer of review, you add an opportunity for Y 820 01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:40,319 like me to add a bunch of stuff that well what about this what about this? So 821 01:09:37,759 --> 01:09:45,920 anybody that thinks that a memorandum of understanding from a developer point of 822 01:09:43,199 --> 01:09:50,480 view where you put multiple agencies together for review is strictly wrong. 823 01:09:49,199 --> 01:09:55,319 Developers don't want to go through those layers. They want to deal with a 824 01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:55,319 single source. 825 01:09:55,520 --> 01:10:05,679 Mayor, Mr. Chairman, I I can assure you that I understand that very very 826 01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:09,040 clearly. >> Well, I don't doubt that. You also have 827 01:10:08,159 --> 01:10:13,840 your opinion. >> Sure. 828 01:10:10,239 --> 01:10:19,280 » And and experience and I have experience with height waivers. I built a twotory 829 01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:24,320 house and the limit was 28 ft and it was 31 ft. I had to get a a variance on that 830 01:10:22,480 --> 01:10:28,480 in 1997 and it was a simple step with the 831 01:10:26,159 --> 01:10:32,560 planning and zoning commission that showed them that that was what I needed. 832 01:10:30,719 --> 01:10:35,440 vaulted interior. >> But you weren't sinking $40 million into 833 01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:41,679 infrastructure. >> Well, I was put in the house. It was 834 01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:46,880 pretty important to me. You understand? >> Yes. I No, I understand. But I also 835 01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:51,520 develop. I mean, that was that was private equity 836 01:10:49,199 --> 01:10:57,840 and I needed the variance and I saw it and I got I think that what we're 837 01:10:54,480 --> 01:11:01,760 seeking and and Mr. Attorney, you're going to have to help me out here and 838 01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:10,360 correct me. I don't see where we're we're giving the zoning 839 01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:10,360 to the city for development on county 840 01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:16,080 outside the city of Tier City. Mr. Chairman, only if they're going to be 841 01:11:14,159 --> 01:11:18,400 seeking something from the city. If they're not seeking something from the 842 01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:23,360 city, if they install their own waste water, they install their their own 843 01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:25,600 lines, then they don't need to cooperate with the city. They don't need to engage 844 01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:28,000 with the city. If they're going to want something from the city, then yes, 845 01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:31,000 they're going to need to engage from the city. 846 01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:36,719 Okay. Plain language, 847 01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:40,400 complying with all applicable city ordinance, including but not limited to 848 01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:44,239 zoning, technical standards, utility 849 01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:50,480 regulations, fee schedules, utility service requirements, then in effect. 850 01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:55,440 So we clearly are telling if they hook on to one thing 851 01:11:53,520 --> 01:12:02,120 from the city, the city has zoning authority over on county property of 852 01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:02,120 which we have no zones. 853 01:12:05,440 --> 01:12:14,880 Is that uh true when they provide the hookup and the city provides 854 01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:21,520 the services? So if they built the water lines and and 855 01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:25,360 hooked on to the sewer at their cost, Mr. Chairman, are you asking me a 856 01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:30,159 question? Yes. Um I would assume that you are correct. So let me use again the 857 01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:33,280 case of where they came in with their pre-development, their planning, and 858 01:12:31,679 --> 01:12:36,880 they asked what can we do? How are we going to have to participate? We said, 859 01:12:35,440 --> 01:12:40,159 you know, here's where the sewer line ends. Here's where the electric line, 860 01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:43,760 this is these are the areas where we have it. In order to get it to you, it's 861 01:12:42,159 --> 01:12:47,840 going to and you're going to need to we put 862 01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:52,080 together an agreement with them to say if you do this we'll do this you pay us 863 01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:56,080 this we we'll make those things happen. So yeah, that would be technically how 864 01:12:54,159 --> 01:13:00,400 it would work in our in our minds, right? We would see that [clears throat] 865 01:12:58,080 --> 01:13:04,239 would come and sit you and they would say, you know, what can you provide for 866 01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:08,080 us? You're going to say, we don't have any services for utilities, but if you 867 01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:12,000 want to go talk to the city, they've got them and then that developer would come 868 01:13:09,679 --> 01:13:16,400 and put together a deal. So the moment they attach to our infrastructure, we 869 01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:19,840 would say in order to do so, we're going to ask that you follow these height 870 01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:24,239 restrictions, these parking restrictions, these building codes that 871 01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:29,280 we have not the building codes right again the city does not enforce building 872 01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:32,600 codes that's done by the state that is correct 873 01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:39,520 » Mr. Chairman >> I'd like also it was our intention and 874 01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:43,840 still believe and I still stand that a memorandum of understanding is no more 875 01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:51,040 than a document to offer the opportunity for conformity and some possibility so 876 01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:54,159 whether you choose to do it or not does exist. This basically just says, 877 01:13:53,199 --> 01:13:58,880 you know, we're going to be in the room and at least have those conversations. 878 01:13:57,120 --> 01:14:02,960 » Thank you, Mr. Mr. Chairman. Two points if I might. So, in section five, it 879 01:14:01,199 --> 01:14:05,840 makes clear that any applicant seeking connection to the municipal utility 880 01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:09,440 system shall be responsible for complying with those requirements. 881 01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:12,800 That's number one. The second part in the following sentence, it says that 882 01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:15,840 nothing contained theou shall obligate the county to require connection to city 883 01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:18,960 utilities where lawful alternatives are otherwise available. So, if they don't 884 01:14:17,679 --> 01:14:21,760 have an intention to hook up to the city's utilities, they need to comply 885 01:14:20,480 --> 01:14:24,480 with the city's requirements. If they want to hook up to the city's utilities, 886 01:14:23,440 --> 01:14:28,480 they need to comply with the state requirements. And that's really the the 887 01:14:26,239 --> 01:14:32,000 essence of this. That's what this accomplishes. It makes clear to 888 01:14:30,239 --> 01:14:35,840 developers that, hey, look, if you're going to want something from the city, 889 01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:38,000 then you need to go and visit the city. If they don't want anything from the 890 01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:41,159 city, they don't need to go and visit the city. 891 01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:49,440 » And Mr. chair and I would also add we were really to add to the lane that only 892 01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:54,000 those properties that connect in physical contact to the city's bound. So 893 01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:57,840 again, we wouldn't in this particular case, I didn't want to extend that to 894 01:14:55,600 --> 01:15:01,520 somebody that's 10 miles away, right? Or five miles away that may even still come 895 01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:05,840 to the city and say, "Hey, we'd really like to buy water from you and we'll run 896 01:15:03,679 --> 01:15:09,920 the water line and connect." We would recognize they're in the county and 897 01:15:08,159 --> 01:15:13,199 they're just buying a service from me. And I would contractually decide whether 898 01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:18,080 or not I want to provide that service for them. This would really only 899 01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:22,640 participate to those property owners that where the boundaries physically 900 01:15:20,080 --> 01:15:26,239 touch and And there's a definite spot in the jurisdiction and the opportunity 901 01:15:24,719 --> 01:15:29,920 exists. Again, at this current moment, it's really the north side of town, you 902 01:15:28,159 --> 01:15:36,239 know, where we could have a contradiction in in regulatory authority 903 01:15:33,679 --> 01:15:41,120 and there are other solutions besides us partnering and finding that opportunity 904 01:15:38,239 --> 01:15:47,520 as well. So, Mr. Chairman, Dave Gary, 905 01:15:44,239 --> 01:15:51,159 I think you just make my point. Let's just assume 906 01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:57,199 The elephant in the room is gross receipts tax. 907 01:15:55,760 --> 01:16:00,080 Love didn't show up there and get concessions because they weren't going 908 01:15:58,480 --> 01:16:04,400 to pay a big chunk of gross receipts tax. You agree with that? 909 01:16:01,679 --> 01:16:08,080 » Um I disagree with that. >> They're paying a lot of money. That was 910 01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:12,719 come out of the mayor's mouth about how much gross receipts, which is exactly 911 01:16:10,719 --> 01:16:17,280 mayor's what we should be looking for for gross receipts. 100% agree with 912 01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:25,199 that. If I if we put you in a negotiating 913 01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:28,640 position and and we have a gas station and then a gas station is going to come 914 01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:34,320 in on on the county side that has a lot of those receipts to it 915 01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:39,040 and it just provides the opportunity for the city 916 01:16:36,239 --> 01:16:46,000 to maybe not give them a waiver on a steep or it puts them in in a worse 917 01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:49,120 negotiating position if they ask for it. So, 918 01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:53,199 and and I'm I'm not going to say another thing on this. If there's if the word 919 01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:57,199 zoning is in this document, I won't I won't support because I think if it's in 920 01:16:55,360 --> 01:17:01,679 here, this commission says, "Hey, we're okay with zoning." And I don't want 921 01:16:59,679 --> 01:17:08,320 anybody thinking they're not promoting zoning in any way, shape. That's all. 922 01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:12,400 Mr. Chairman, I would ask a moment to respond. I think the two things on 923 01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:16,480 grocery tax and zoning are independent of each other. Lo chose piece of 924 01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:19,199 property that it wanted to buy from a private citizen to build their 925 01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:22,719 development which just happened to be within the city boundaries of future 926 01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:27,440 consequences which required that they follow the zoning. The fact that they 927 01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:31,199 were gross receipt tax opportunity then opened the door for the community to 928 01:17:29,199 --> 01:17:35,040 then be decide whether and how aggressive they wanted to attractively 929 01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:39,760 go after that business. Was the gross receipt tax an opportunity? Yes. Not the 930 01:17:37,440 --> 01:17:43,600 zoning. And I the same point then just to make that point the opportunity we 931 01:17:42,080 --> 01:17:48,480 would have would be then to just simply say if a business is going to go in that 932 01:17:45,440 --> 01:17:52,800 particular area we will just annex that puts me it makes me feel like I'm in a 933 01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:56,239 position of then higher authority and I'm going to go automatically have the 934 01:17:54,640 --> 01:18:00,800 ability to take your authority away from you immediately I have not reviewed the 935 01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:05,679 gross receipt tax into the spot where I would understand if we annex how much 936 01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:08,719 gross receipt tax would the county get I believe that you're going to be held 937 01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:12,239 neutral and you would receive the same amount of gross receipt tax whether 938 01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:16,960 you're incorporated or not. So the reality would become let me not do anou 939 01:18:15,199 --> 01:18:19,840 let me not create a partnership let me not make sure that the county has the 940 01:18:18,480 --> 01:18:23,679 ability to say if you want those services go talk to them because the 941 01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:28,560 situation is going to be the same. It would be let me just wait and pounce the 942 01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:32,239 moment a business comes and decide how far we want to extend our boundaries so 943 01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:36,480 that then we just create the opportunity for ourselves because you are correct. 944 01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:40,560 If a business locates outside the count outside the city limits in that location 945 01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:45,120 and we don't incorporate them the city of truth or consequences will receive no 946 01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:50,080 gross receipt tax. And let me be clear the city of truth of consequences does 947 01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:54,159 not live on property tax. As a manager, as a citizen of this community, we are 948 01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:59,040 constantly being We are property owners and we pay taxes and we have rights. The 949 01:18:56,640 --> 01:19:03,520 city receives such a minimal amount of property tax yet the county receives all 950 01:19:01,199 --> 01:19:08,640 the property tax from the city of TRC. That's how you live. All of our citizens 951 01:19:05,679 --> 01:19:12,239 pay you. Ours only live off gross receipt tax. So you're right. I mean the 952 01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:18,239 right decision for me to be is to say let's not do anou, but being aware that 953 01:19:15,199 --> 01:19:23,120 I'm ready to annex and and bring into the city every possible opportunity 954 01:19:20,480 --> 01:19:27,760 where in this case it might advantageous for the business to just locate partner 955 01:19:25,280 --> 01:19:32,000 with us get that done build it right be consistent with our zones and then we 956 01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:36,159 attract the business so to be fair that was the intent of this and I think gross 957 01:19:34,159 --> 01:19:39,920 receipt tax for the city of TC is a secondary function to the requirements 958 01:19:38,239 --> 01:19:43,520 that the city has put in place for zoning 959 01:19:41,440 --> 01:19:46,239 but you are correct you if they come to us they're going to have to comply with 960 01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:50,480 our zoning >> well said and they should and I and I I 961 01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:54,320 got that our gross receipts is substantially less than 962 01:19:52,560 --> 01:20:01,679 So that's an advantage for someone to move into into county and develop. But 963 01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:09,280 to but to your thought that well we'll just go annex them. Um and and from a 964 01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:15,440 from the county's perspective, I would I would encourage us to intervene in that. 965 01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:21,199 And and then I would ask areas that aren't served by to your seat, across 966 01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:25,520 the river, fairgrounds area, areas where there's 967 01:20:23,679 --> 01:20:29,040 negotiations to move them out to help those citizens. I I would encourage them 968 01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:32,480 to say, "Wait a minute. We're not getting services. Why are you chasing 969 01:20:31,280 --> 01:20:36,719 somebody that's just going to give you a whole bunch of those receipts and let 970 01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:42,880 this let let us sit here who's been here for 50 years and we don't get services? 971 01:20:40,480 --> 01:20:47,760 That's the that's how I would argue our point from the county 972 01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:51,199 and and I think it I think it would make your job a little tougher and and you 973 01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:56,320 might see the boundary commission on that one. And and I will say this, as 974 01:20:54,400 --> 01:21:02,560 much as I don't like government getting in the way of people, I am not at all 975 01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:06,960 worried about extra territorial. If if we really want to have something 976 01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:11,920 that's going to plan out and and give a solid road map to development that go 977 01:21:10,080 --> 01:21:17,840 along boundaries and within a mile of that then to me the extr territorial 978 01:21:15,679 --> 01:21:23,280 zoning authority is the way to go because then then it's clear there's no 979 01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:28,239 gray areas there's no well it's really not binding anyway it is a 980 01:21:25,679 --> 01:21:35,600 straightforward approach and I think the right way that most 981 01:21:30,719 --> 01:21:40,000 good communities [snorts] use to control or to manage efficiency. 982 01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:45,880 That's it. So, thank Gary. Thanks a million. 983 01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:45,880 Thank you. You're always so 984 01:21:54,159 --> 01:22:01,920 I always like when you find things that this needs more Once we dropped it, 985 01:22:00,159 --> 01:22:06,639 there's nobody pressing on us. We just felt it was an opportunity to make sure 986 01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:10,880 that as those items become prevalent up there, we hope commission's pleased to 987 01:22:09,199 --> 01:22:15,440 move forward. We'll continue to operate under the spirit of thisou where we look 988 01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:18,960 at this as a partnership and we hope to work hand [snorts] in hand with the 989 01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:22,960 county so that again we're not in an adverse position and say let's not worry 990 01:22:21,280 --> 01:22:27,120 about it. We'll just handex and deal with the courts and how that's going to 991 01:22:24,400 --> 01:22:32,960 play out. That's the ultimate before we end up getting 992 01:22:30,159 --> 01:22:38,159 » well the idea of thisou was in a spirit of cooperation and a spirit of openness 993 01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:44,080 and transparency and I really appreciate that I understand where commissioner 994 01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:49,520 Jones is. I guess I would question Commissioner Hopkins Hopkins appetite 995 01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:52,840 for proceeding in a motion. >> Well, I ask 996 01:22:53,520 --> 01:23:00,400 you feel comfortable with memor of understanding. Correct, 997 01:22:58,480 --> 01:23:03,760 » Mr. Chairman. It's a memorandum of understanding we negotiated and include 998 01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:08,639 those provisions that I need to include to protect the county's jurisdiction and 999 01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:11,920 and protect its authority. But it certainly remains in the commission's 1000 01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:14,400 discretion whether or not to or whether or not to move in a different direction. 1001 01:23:13,280 --> 01:23:20,159 I mean, that's for the commission to decide, not for me. We had a proposal by 1002 01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:23,600 the city um in relation to this. Um and we went through that carefully. We 1003 01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:26,480 identified our concerns, they heard our concerns, they incorporated our 1004 01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:29,360 concerns, and the board raises additional concerns. I mean, just 1005 01:23:28,080 --> 01:23:31,920 because I raised the concerns doesn't mean those are the only kind of 1006 01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:34,960 concerns. And so, we've heard some additional concerns here raised today. 1007 01:23:33,360 --> 01:23:39,840 And certainly, it remains in the county's discretion whether or not to 1008 01:23:36,639 --> 01:23:44,080 direct that we revise the the to remove the word zoning from the instances word 1009 01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:49,560 of tears or what what it would like for us to do. I mean whether or not he wants 1010 01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:49,560 to consider this in the first instance. 1011 01:23:50,560 --> 01:24:00,800 » I hate to do this to you but you brought up a perfect question. 1012 01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:04,440 So this gets triggered if our boundaries meet correct. 1013 01:24:07,600 --> 01:24:10,600 So 1014 01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:16,360 Gas station B is going to locate 1015 01:24:17,840 --> 01:24:22,520 100 ft off the boundary. 1016 01:24:22,560 --> 01:24:30,400 I have a ranch above there. I buy a rideway along your boundary. Go through 1017 01:24:28,400 --> 01:24:37,040 gas station. No longer owns that property. We're no longer continuous. 1018 01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:43,679 Does that work? So that now if you want to extend services 1019 01:24:40,159 --> 01:24:47,760 you you may or may not do the zoning if we break that boundary line. 1020 01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:51,840 » Mr. Chairman, Mr. Jones, I would assume that in every instance when a developer 1021 01:24:50,080 --> 01:24:56,159 chooses to ask the city of truth and consequences to provide them a service, 1022 01:24:54,400 --> 01:25:00,880 we're going to ask that developer to comply with our 1023 01:24:58,800 --> 01:25:02,880 » and I and I think and I I have no issue with that. 1024 01:25:01,360 --> 01:25:11,360 » Thank you. and Mayor Oak 1025 01:25:08,080 --> 01:25:14,360 both you may appreciate. So don't take this. 1026 01:25:14,560 --> 01:25:18,440 You said that three times. 1027 01:25:18,800 --> 01:25:25,199 Mr. Chairman ask some good questions. Don't say 1028 01:25:22,639 --> 01:25:28,159 you're done if you're not. So Hank, is there an appetite for a 1029 01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:32,679 motion? >> Yes. Mr. Chair, I move to approve the 1030 01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:46,239 I have a motion. Uh I think in the guise of cooperation 1031 01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:53,679 and this document is flexible and we can change it in the future. I will second 1032 01:25:50,560 --> 01:25:59,679 do that for you. So we have a motion in a second. Amy, 1033 01:25:56,880 --> 01:26:01,520 let's do a roll call on this issue. Commissioner, 1034 01:26:00,719 --> 01:26:02,400 » yes. >> Hopkins, 1035 01:26:02,080 --> 01:26:04,960 » yes. >> Commissioner Jones, 1036 01:26:03,280 --> 01:26:10,880 » no. >> Motion is passed with one. Thank you, 1037 01:26:08,880 --> 01:26:15,199 gentlemen. Gary, thank you for taking time out of your day. It helped a bunch 1038 01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:20,320 of you here. Dave, thank you for your coordination, your legal research. 1039 01:26:17,679 --> 01:26:25,679 Mayors always appreciate your presence and you help just being here. Thank you, 1040 01:26:23,360 --> 01:26:29,440 Mr. Chairman. If I could comment on one comment about Williamsburg and again it 1041 01:26:27,440 --> 01:26:33,440 would be nice if the mayor was here but the city of TC under my leadership I 1042 01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:38,719 take my relationship with Williamsburg very seriously um I've updated many of 1043 01:26:37,360 --> 01:26:42,639 the agreements that we have and we have agreements that are more than 50 years 1044 01:26:40,320 --> 01:26:47,120 old village of Williamsburg to provide the water waste water trash animal 1045 01:26:45,199 --> 01:26:50,639 control and so I think that's and I appreciate Commissioner Jones bringing 1046 01:26:48,480 --> 01:26:55,360 that up there an important player their landlock their ability to create revenue 1047 01:26:53,199 --> 01:27:00,960 their ability to promote and grow their city is limited. So I think again 1048 01:26:57,040 --> 01:27:05,360 they're a key part of us and we're happy to do that. So I just want 1049 01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:08,800 to make sure that we we do take that relationship. 1050 01:27:07,040 --> 01:27:15,199 Thank you. Thank you for your time. >> We also coordinate 1051 01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:21,360 as elected officials with the mayor of Williamsburg and she's included in the 1052 01:27:17,840 --> 01:27:27,520 information. Uh we do have what amounts to monthly breakfasts with the mayors 1053 01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:31,280 and the chair and and the mayor of Williamsburg has made a 1054 01:27:29,440 --> 01:27:35,199 couple of those and she's not been able to make the others but she's always 1055 01:27:32,719 --> 01:27:39,440 invited. Thank you >> and thank you. 1056 01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:44,639 » Just to be clear city mayor I think you know my 1057 01:27:42,159 --> 01:27:51,360 commitment to the city of TC. We certainly worked together on on flood 1058 01:27:47,920 --> 01:27:57,199 control stuff. I'm in 100%. Um, and we do have an MOU sitting out 1059 01:27:54,320 --> 01:28:03,360 there. My commitment is straight. $400,000 there. We're looking at other 1060 01:28:00,320 --> 01:28:08,880 commitments to to enhance those flood control projects. And there's not one 1061 01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:14,239 piece of paper between us other than us agreeing, Mr. Mayor, you and me and 1062 01:28:12,400 --> 01:28:19,440 manager that we're we're going to support you with 1063 01:28:16,159 --> 01:28:23,199 those numbers. So, I hope that is not an indication that I don't want to 1064 01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:27,600 cooperate with you and I'm fully ready to do so. 1065 01:28:24,320 --> 01:28:31,920 » I take that as a question, sir. And so, unequivocally, Mr. 1066 01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:37,679 your friends. You helped us when we asked you to help. You had dialogue with 1067 01:28:34,639 --> 01:28:42,320 us when we required it. We appreciate your counsel and thank you for being 1068 01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:48,080 here and we're not going anywhere on that support. Mayor, same thing. We have 1069 01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:52,000 substantial commitment there and that's working our way through. We haven't 1070 01:28:50,239 --> 01:28:56,960 changed that commitment in any way. So, we're going to make sure that we help 1071 01:28:54,560 --> 01:29:01,840 that neighborhood as well. So, again, no big documents. No fancy ribbon cutings, 1072 01:29:00,320 --> 01:29:08,679 just a straight commitment. And I think that's the way government. 1073 01:29:04,480 --> 01:29:08,679 We will get on with new business. 1074 01:29:08,800 --> 01:29:16,480 Item A is direction to staff to publish the title general subject matter of an 1075 01:29:13,840 --> 01:29:21,800 ordinance repealing Sierra County avironment lead ordinance 20-00. 1076 01:29:23,440 --> 01:29:31,679 » Mr. Hopefully this will be similar much much simpler. So uh back in 2020 the 1077 01:29:28,080 --> 01:29:36,320 board adopted uh ordinance 20-004 approving a lita for a environment and 1078 01:29:34,400 --> 01:29:40,719 pursuing that they were supposed to make a 2 million $2.5 million contribution in 1079 01:29:39,120 --> 01:29:44,880 capital investment in the community and 30 full-time jobs. Unfortunately that 1080 01:29:42,480 --> 01:29:49,679 never materialized. Um we received a request from Enemy Ed the economic 1081 01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:54,639 development department um that we repeal um ordinance 20004 and this is the first 1082 01:29:52,159 --> 01:29:57,760 step in doing that. So, what we're going to be asking from the board here is a 1083 01:29:56,239 --> 01:30:03,360 direction to publish the title and general subject matter, the ordinance 1084 01:29:59,520 --> 01:30:07,280 repealing the LITA ordinance and approving that funding for um 1085 01:30:05,280 --> 01:30:11,040 environment and then we'll have a public hearing and a final action at the next 1086 01:30:09,040 --> 01:30:14,840 commission. >> Any questions or comments? 1087 01:30:16,639 --> 01:30:23,120 I would send this to 1088 01:30:22,320 --> 01:30:25,280 a >> correct. 1089 01:30:23,600 --> 01:30:28,480 » Yes, sir. So, we'll we'll we'll direct the the publication the title and 1090 01:30:26,960 --> 01:30:33,000 general subject matter. It'll be in the paper and then we'll have that hearing 1091 01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:33,000 next. 1092 01:30:33,600 --> 01:30:39,320 All in favor say I. >> I. That motion passes. 1093 01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:51,679 We'll go on to the beverage control division 1094 01:30:49,520 --> 01:30:56,320 small blue offsite intake application for blue lab 101. 1095 01:30:54,880 --> 01:30:59,440 Mr. Chairman, members of the board, um we had a public hearing earlier. We 1096 01:30:58,159 --> 01:31:04,400 heard from the applicant, not a whole lot from them, but we did proceed our 1097 01:31:01,679 --> 01:31:08,080 package the application. Um, this board is required to have shortly to hold 1098 01:31:05,920 --> 01:31:11,120 public hearing to determine one whether the proposed location is in the area 1099 01:31:09,600 --> 01:31:16,000 where the sale of alcoholic beverages prohibited by school law and that be 1100 01:31:13,120 --> 01:31:19,120 within 300 ft of a church or school. Um, two whether the issuance or transfer 1101 01:31:17,679 --> 01:31:22,480 would be in violation of zoning or other ordinance the governing body and as 1102 01:31:20,800 --> 01:31:26,080 commissioner Jones we don't have zoning. So, uh, and number three uh, the 1103 01:31:25,040 --> 01:31:29,760 issuance or transfer would be detrimental to public health safety or 1104 01:31:27,760 --> 01:31:33,840 morals of the residents of the county. Um and here as it relates to that item, 1105 01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:37,920 the the district courts have made or the court of appeals made clear that the 1106 01:31:35,840 --> 01:31:41,040 denial or trans of a transfer of a liquor license or the issuance of a 1107 01:31:39,440 --> 01:31:45,440 liquor license must be based on finding of health, safety or moral hazards at 1108 01:31:42,960 --> 01:31:48,960 that particular location. So it's only subject to denial if we have concern 1109 01:31:47,120 --> 01:31:52,560 about the specific area in which they operated. Next time for any questions 1110 01:31:50,639 --> 01:31:58,639 from the board, Mr. Chairman, I move to approve. Second move and second. All in 1111 01:31:55,280 --> 01:32:03,199 favor say I. I. Motion approved. Thank you. 1112 01:32:00,800 --> 01:32:08,400 Item C, road closure request, New Mexico Spaceport Authority for September 2026. 1113 01:32:07,679 --> 01:32:12,400 Good morning. >> Good morning. 1114 01:32:10,159 --> 01:32:16,800 We are asking for blanket authority for the month of September. 1115 01:32:14,320 --> 01:32:20,040 on Monday and 14 1116 01:32:20,080 --> 01:32:23,960 sometimes things change 1117 01:32:27,040 --> 01:32:31,159 and 14th as 1118 01:32:37,040 --> 01:32:47,560 all the people out there >> individuals are impacted by specific 1119 01:32:43,760 --> 01:32:47,560 customer will not be 1120 01:32:52,480 --> 01:32:55,480 approved 1121 01:33:02,320 --> 01:33:10,840 for have a motion and a second. All in favor 1122 01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:10,840 say I. That motion passes 1123 01:33:11,920 --> 01:33:21,040 request. from Cooperative Extension Services in Mexico State requesting 1124 01:33:17,199 --> 01:33:25,600 financial support. Sarah, Amanda, 1125 01:33:23,679 --> 01:33:28,600 Jenny, we appreciate you ladies being here. 1126 01:33:30,239 --> 01:33:33,480 » Good morning. 1127 01:33:34,560 --> 01:33:40,480 » A few minutes. Good morning, commissioner. 1128 01:33:37,840 --> 01:33:46,080 Uh I'm here today to discuss the future of the additional for position um that 1129 01:33:43,679 --> 01:33:50,800 has been a really vital role to the county's youth programming specifically 1130 01:33:48,639 --> 01:33:55,679 uh for and non-traditional youth programming. Um last year Sierra 1131 01:33:53,360 --> 01:34:00,639 Community First Foundation provided the funding that allowed us to establish 1132 01:33:58,239 --> 01:34:06,239 this position. Um but that funding is no longer going to be available. Uh this 1133 01:34:02,880 --> 01:34:12,239 position has significantly expanded our school enrichment efforts um allowing us 1134 01:34:09,280 --> 01:34:17,520 to reach youth who might not otherwise uh participate in traditional forage 1135 01:34:14,239 --> 01:34:21,360 programming. Uh the individual currently serving in the role has also done an 1136 01:34:19,360 --> 01:34:27,360 excellent job in securing grants and other resources that she will talk a 1137 01:34:23,600 --> 01:34:33,760 little more specifically about. Um that has really helped um additionally 1138 01:34:31,280 --> 01:34:37,360 support programing in our classrooms. It would be unfortunate to lose both the 1139 01:34:35,520 --> 01:34:42,159 position and the momentum that was created through that work. Um, and we 1140 01:34:39,520 --> 01:34:45,679 respectfully ask that the county um partner with us in identifying 1141 01:34:43,760 --> 01:34:49,120 sustainable funding whether through county support or other community 1142 01:34:47,679 --> 01:34:57,280 resources so that these valuable opportunities can continue um for youth 1143 01:34:53,199 --> 01:35:03,040 and young people throughout our county. Um I have also sent this report on to uh 1144 01:35:00,400 --> 01:35:08,400 your county manager. Um but I'll highlight some of the things that 1145 01:35:05,760 --> 01:35:15,440 happened this past year. Uh there were around 1,200 youth reached and that is 1146 01:35:10,960 --> 01:35:20,239 not our traditional 4 kids. Those are um directly involved in their classrooms 1147 01:35:17,679 --> 01:35:25,360 with agriculture based programs. We did this pro this position also 1148 01:35:23,679 --> 01:35:31,040 secured three um significant grants. One being 1149 01:35:28,400 --> 01:35:37,679 hydroponics teachers training grant, a school garden and hydroponics expansion 1150 01:35:33,280 --> 01:35:42,159 grant and then the CES innovation grant um specifically for school enrichment 1151 01:35:39,679 --> 01:35:46,560 and STEM projects within the classroom. Um I am more than welcome to give you 1152 01:35:44,880 --> 01:35:50,800 guys all of this stuff or she can forward it on to you guys as well. 1153 01:35:52,560 --> 01:35:59,679 I think um specifically with some of the grants that were applied for I want to 1154 01:35:57,040 --> 01:36:05,679 say they were close to about $25,000 worth of grants that um were applied for 1155 01:36:02,560 --> 01:36:10,639 and received [snorts] uh that that is currently andor needs to be utilized 1156 01:36:07,920 --> 01:36:16,639 within those classroom um environments. Uh our office looks like 1157 01:36:14,000 --> 01:36:21,920 an Amazon store right now because of all the equipment and supplies and stuff 1158 01:36:19,679 --> 01:36:27,040 that is currently being purchased with a lot of that um money to utilize with a 1159 01:36:24,880 --> 01:36:31,440 lot of school program. It' be unfortunate event if that stuff did not 1160 01:36:29,520 --> 01:36:36,800 get into those hands those kids because of the position no longer being funded 1161 01:36:34,000 --> 01:36:41,199 but the programming was funded and is sitting there readily available. We 1162 01:36:38,960 --> 01:36:45,040 would just ask for your support. >> I've got a question for you. Is the city 1163 01:36:43,360 --> 01:36:50,880 participating in this or >> it is my understanding they are doing so 1164 01:36:48,560 --> 01:36:54,239 » and I can speak on firsthand knowledge of what's going on in the classroom. 1165 01:36:52,480 --> 01:37:00,080 I've seen these ladies all three of them go up into the classrooms. Uh each grade 1166 01:36:57,440 --> 01:37:05,760 level is targeted with a subject matter whether it be hatching chicks growing 1167 01:37:02,719 --> 01:37:12,760 mushrooms the kids look forward to it and I think it's a worthwhile investment 1168 01:37:08,560 --> 01:37:12,760 for for our kids. 1169 01:37:13,840 --> 01:37:18,199 How much do you want? 1170 01:37:18,239 --> 01:37:23,280 » Let's get down to the stack. >> Okay, Commissioner Jones, I can kind of 1171 01:37:21,280 --> 01:37:27,840 go into that. So, their original ask was $25,000. I did speak with Gary 1172 01:37:25,440 --> 01:37:32,080 Whitehead, city manager, and he agreed that $15,000 from the city and that 1173 01:37:30,239 --> 01:37:36,159 would give the county an additional 10,000 that we would give them. We are 1174 01:37:33,760 --> 01:37:42,080 currently now, I believe, $60,000 we contribute and this would increase our 1175 01:37:37,760 --> 01:37:48,800 contribution from 60 to 70. And if I can just add, uh, the city of 1176 01:37:45,360 --> 01:37:54,639 Storo and Sakoro County uh, just last year created almost the identical 1177 01:37:51,600 --> 01:38:00,480 position. Um, and I believe their city, city of Sakoro, contributes 12 and then 1178 01:37:57,760 --> 01:38:06,679 the county does whatever they do and then they have a few other sources for 1179 01:38:02,639 --> 01:38:06,679 almost the identical position. 1180 01:38:07,440 --> 01:38:12,320 » It appears we're getting down their part of the deal. 1181 01:38:10,719 --> 01:38:15,520 15. We're going to do 10. >> Is 10 enough? 1182 01:38:13,840 --> 01:38:20,320 » But added to the 60,000. >> We already got 60 in there. [laughter] 1183 01:38:18,800 --> 01:38:23,880 » We're not talking about that. We're talking about this% 1184 01:38:26,639 --> 01:38:33,679 that 60,000 has increased over the years and that's been the best investment that 1185 01:38:31,119 --> 01:38:40,239 we've made and the county has authorized that every year. 1186 01:38:36,560 --> 01:38:45,679 Is there a motion or is there any discussion. Well, I think K asked if 1187 01:38:42,960 --> 01:38:49,280 that was enough. >> Commissioner, I guess to answer that 1188 01:38:47,280 --> 01:38:57,760 question, you know, I think for right now, yes. Um, we have some funding that 1189 01:38:54,159 --> 01:39:02,960 Mr. Tom was able to secure that I guess in a sense is going to get us by. Um, so 1190 01:39:01,040 --> 01:39:08,000 for now, yes, >> if you ever run short, you know where to 1191 01:39:04,719 --> 01:39:11,520 go. I think all three of us support >> we appreciate that. Thank you very much. 1192 01:39:09,920 --> 01:39:14,520 » I'd like all three of us to make the motion. 1193 01:39:15,199 --> 01:39:23,560 » Mr. Chair, I move to approve request letters 1194 01:39:20,560 --> 01:39:23,560 requesting. 1195 01:39:27,773 --> 01:39:29,793 [laughter] 1196 01:39:30,159 --> 01:39:38,308 » We have a motion in a second. All in favor say I. 1197 01:39:36,288 --> 01:39:38,308 » [laughter] 1198 01:39:39,600 --> 01:39:43,920 » You heard that sneaky way Hank was bringing that in. 1199 01:39:42,080 --> 01:39:49,199 » I heard it. >> No, you guys are doing a fantastic job. 1200 01:39:45,760 --> 01:39:54,080 » Thank you. Thank you. >> We'll go to item 10 contracts, 1201 01:39:51,600 --> 01:39:59,760 agreements, and procurement county of Sierra City regarding administration 1202 01:39:58,080 --> 01:40:05,600 of the city's flood plane management regulations. Good morning, Barbara. Good 1203 01:40:02,639 --> 01:40:09,679 morning chair and commissioners. Yes, today we're 1204 01:40:07,520 --> 01:40:15,119 another agreement for administration of city flood management regulations but 1205 01:40:12,400 --> 01:40:21,080 this time with utilized 1206 01:40:17,760 --> 01:40:21,080 last month 1207 01:40:24,480 --> 01:40:34,960 to develop the agreement that's before you and county are both participating 1208 01:40:30,639 --> 01:40:39,280 commities. insurance program and desires to utilize the services of the flood 1209 01:40:37,119 --> 01:40:42,280 administrator for the county to administer. 1210 01:40:42,400 --> 01:40:47,080 This agreement stipulates the responsib 1211 01:41:01,040 --> 01:41:08,400 behind that but it will still terminate on June 30th of 2030. 1212 01:41:06,159 --> 01:41:11,840 » That's correct. And that date was intentional because the services have 1213 01:41:10,320 --> 01:41:14,840 been during 1214 01:41:22,719 --> 01:41:28,400 » there is no charge similar to the template. 1215 01:41:26,880 --> 01:41:35,280 » I just saw something in there about surplus. Okay. 1216 01:41:31,280 --> 01:41:41,600 I move. I second. All in favor say I. Motion passes. 1217 01:41:38,000 --> 01:41:45,239 Agreement is approved. Thank you. We'll go to resolutions. 1218 01:41:46,080 --> 01:41:56,320 Ordinances and proclamations. Item is 2026-55 1219 01:41:53,280 --> 01:42:03,760 authorizing the donation and transfer of the 2022 Dodge Ram Pro Master 1220 01:42:00,560 --> 01:42:08,080 bus to the city of TRC. >> Good morning. 1221 01:42:06,320 --> 01:42:16,080 This resolution is to request approval to donate and transfer that Dodge Ram 1222 01:42:12,320 --> 01:42:20,000 access to the city consequences. The county originally purchased the vehicle 1223 01:42:18,000 --> 01:42:25,600 for with legislative appropriation in 2023. 1224 01:42:23,920 --> 01:42:32,320 The vehicle is in excellent operating condition with 169 miles. the vehicle 1225 01:42:30,400 --> 01:42:37,960 used by the city and continue to benefit the community. Because the specialized 1226 01:42:34,960 --> 01:42:37,960 convers,000 1227 01:42:41,679 --> 01:42:45,239 based on the conditionable 1228 01:42:46,320 --> 01:42:55,679 market information because the value of the asset exceeds the state's $30,000 1229 01:42:51,520 --> 01:43:01,600 threshold for disposition of property. The transfer will also require approval. 1230 01:42:59,679 --> 01:43:06,239 So approval of this resolution will allow us to submit the transfer request 1231 01:43:03,600 --> 01:43:12,280 to DFA and authorize the donation and transfer to the city of TC contingent 1232 01:43:09,280 --> 01:43:12,280 upon 1233 01:43:14,560 --> 01:43:18,280 any questions or comments. 1234 01:43:20,560 --> 01:43:23,719 » It has 1235 01:43:26,400 --> 01:43:33,360 bought it. Commissioner Jones and chair. Yes, I can 1236 01:43:31,360 --> 01:43:37,679 I can answer that question kind of. I mean, I was bought it was bought prior 1237 01:43:35,760 --> 01:43:42,239 to me coming on board. My understanding it was originally purchased to do they 1238 01:43:39,920 --> 01:43:45,760 used to do the uh van around town when they pick people up and take them to 1239 01:43:43,679 --> 01:43:50,320 different places that we received that van. When after we received that van, 1240 01:43:47,920 --> 01:43:56,000 the transportation became better. I guess was that the south central transit 1241 01:43:53,840 --> 01:44:00,000 district has started running that bus. I was we were approached by the city of 1242 01:43:57,520 --> 01:44:03,360 Tierc asking if we'd be willing to transfer that over for some programming 1243 01:44:01,679 --> 01:44:06,960 they would like to use it for. I know that they have some music in the park I 1244 01:44:05,520 --> 01:44:11,119 believe coming up that they'd like to use it to transport people from a 1245 01:44:08,560 --> 01:44:14,800 parking lot to there. So that is why we're getting rid of it. Sierra County 1246 01:44:13,119 --> 01:44:19,760 no longer needs it. That program has since gone to someone else. 1247 01:44:17,600 --> 01:44:24,000 » So we're just going to give grant for free. 1248 01:44:22,960 --> 01:44:27,440 going to buy it or >> No, we're going to assuming they're 1249 01:44:25,760 --> 01:44:30,320 donating. We're donating the van. Is that correct? 1250 01:44:28,080 --> 01:44:34,239 » It was purchased. >> It was Yes. It was not purchased with 1251 01:44:32,480 --> 01:44:37,480 county funding. It's purchased with state funding. 1252 01:44:47,280 --> 01:44:50,960 Too bad they just left. 1253 01:44:52,320 --> 01:44:58,880 Why don't we just put it up for sale and take the $80,000? 1254 01:44:57,280 --> 01:45:01,920 » My understanding is if we do that with the legislative appropriation, we don't 1255 01:45:00,480 --> 01:45:05,239 get to keep the funding. We send it back to the state, 1256 01:45:05,840 --> 01:45:12,239 » which is where probably ought to be anyway. We shouldn't have bothered if we 1257 01:45:09,280 --> 01:45:16,560 use it. >> Whatever. At the time, there was a 1258 01:45:14,480 --> 01:45:24,000 program that went from Elephant View to downtown with 1259 01:45:19,760 --> 01:45:29,679 drivers and that program fell by the wayside 1260 01:45:26,719 --> 01:45:34,239 after the purchase of the bus and it was not utilized. I would personally much 1261 01:45:32,639 --> 01:45:40,880 rather see it go to where it's going to be utilized. We talked to the city at 1262 01:45:36,960 --> 01:45:49,440 some length and it meets their needs. So 1263 01:45:44,880 --> 01:45:53,679 I don't see this as being how land is transferred. I would much 1264 01:45:51,440 --> 01:45:59,040 rather see it used. We took it to spaceport to the regional space 1265 01:45:57,520 --> 01:46:03,360 and did a tour out there and I think that was the first time it's been driven 1266 01:46:00,480 --> 01:46:09,480 in about six months. So we could like organizing 1267 01:46:12,239 --> 01:46:19,119 that donation clause. We can donate it to a city, but we can't 1268 01:46:16,560 --> 01:46:24,400 donate it to a nonprofit or anything like that. 1269 01:46:21,520 --> 01:46:29,560 » We can sell it or have $80,000 in their pocket to do that 1270 01:46:25,520 --> 01:46:29,560 » unless they had to go back to 1271 01:46:32,960 --> 01:46:39,360 » we could we could sell it and not get $8,000 1272 01:46:36,560 --> 01:46:45,040 auction. I uh this is one of the places where the 1273 01:46:42,320 --> 01:46:52,080 coordination with the city I think shines and 1274 01:46:49,600 --> 01:46:55,320 I'm personally for the transfer. So it's their motion. 1275 01:46:57,679 --> 01:47:10,119 » So they got anything they swap us for? >> Is there something else they could maybe 1276 01:47:05,199 --> 01:47:10,119 swap us on? That's the one we 1277 01:47:12,880 --> 01:47:16,280 couple of water. 1278 01:47:21,520 --> 01:47:25,080 They can use it. 1279 01:47:32,639 --> 01:47:42,159 The chair will make a motion to approve resolution 2026-55 1280 01:47:39,199 --> 01:47:48,760 authorizing donation and transfer of the 2022 Dodge Ram bus to the city of Truth 1281 01:47:45,600 --> 01:47:48,760 and Consequences 1282 01:47:54,159 --> 01:48:01,159 and second. All in favor say I. >> I. Those opposed say 1283 01:48:01,600 --> 01:48:12,440 I didn't say no. Motion passed. 1284 01:48:07,199 --> 01:48:12,440 Thank you. Resolution 2026-56 1285 01:48:12,880 --> 01:48:24,480 FY27 budget adjustment resolution. >> This resolution is to amend the FY27. 1286 01:48:22,239 --> 01:48:30,400 The first adjustment that we're making is for $1,000 donation 1287 01:48:27,360 --> 01:48:37,320 to fire from their efforts during the fire. 1288 01:48:33,199 --> 01:48:37,320 will go towards things like 1289 01:48:38,719 --> 01:48:47,440 the next three adjustments to our revenue or to correct um 1290 01:48:45,280 --> 01:48:50,440 revenue that should have been outditioned 1291 01:48:57,440 --> 01:49:04,880 by the state. This will reduce that to zero. Additionally, we'reing up two 1292 01:49:02,800 --> 01:49:11,239 revenue lines for our biz and rise grants for the final reimbursement 1293 01:49:06,480 --> 01:49:11,239 request received in fiscal year. 1294 01:49:11,679 --> 01:49:18,239 The next set of amendments is to carry over 1295 01:49:16,400 --> 01:49:24,159 budget in our grant fund from fiscal year 26 for grants in the clerk's office 1296 01:49:20,639 --> 01:49:30,400 for a total of 8577. We also have a carryover of $40,000 for 1297 01:49:26,960 --> 01:49:34,000 a grant from New Mexico gas that was by the state. 1298 01:49:32,080 --> 01:49:39,360 The last adjustment is to increase the minor equipment budget in the treasure 1299 01:49:36,080 --> 01:49:44,159 treasurer fees fund for $10,000. These funds are available in the existing fund 1300 01:49:42,000 --> 01:49:48,400 does not impact the general fund and it will be used for the purchase of 1301 01:49:46,000 --> 01:49:51,880 computer and monitor replacements the treasur's office. 1302 01:49:52,800 --> 01:49:56,280 Any questions? 1303 01:49:58,560 --> 01:50:02,119 » Is there a motion? 1304 01:50:06,239 --> 01:50:11,320 » Second. All in favor say I. I 1305 01:50:16,320 --> 01:50:24,639 motion passes. Thank you. Resolution 202657 1306 01:50:21,760 --> 01:50:29,920 authorizing and approving submission of a completed application for financial 1307 01:50:26,880 --> 01:50:35,040 assistance and project approval to the New Mexico Finance Authority. Manager B. 1308 01:50:32,960 --> 01:50:39,679 » Thank you chair and commissioners. So uh back in May we passed the um affordable 1309 01:50:37,600 --> 01:50:43,760 housing resolution and I was tasked with going out and finding a grant to help 1310 01:50:41,440 --> 01:50:47,520 fund that plan through the department of finance. They have a grant that does 1311 01:50:45,520 --> 01:50:51,520 require a match. I have written the grant and the last pieces to get this 1312 01:50:49,440 --> 01:50:54,480 resolution authorizing me to apply for that. With that, I'll stand for any 1313 01:50:53,520 --> 01:51:00,880 questions. >> You say does or does not require 1314 01:50:57,920 --> 01:51:04,960 » it does require match. It's it's on a sliding scale depending on some other 1315 01:51:03,040 --> 01:51:08,719 items. There's quite a few pieces that we've done these scratch, not while I've 1316 01:51:06,560 --> 01:51:12,480 been here, but a couple times before. >> What do you think that 1317 01:51:10,239 --> 01:51:14,159 » I think it's 10% for us? >> What do you think the number is going to 1318 01:51:13,760 --> 01:51:21,280 be? >> Probably around 100,000. So, 10% of 1319 01:51:17,119 --> 01:51:25,520 that. So, could city of TRC get that $8,000? 1320 01:51:24,159 --> 01:51:27,840 » You know, that's a great idea. >> I'll work on that one. 1321 01:51:26,639 --> 01:51:32,880 » We'll get that in. >> We amend that last resolution. 1322 01:51:29,920 --> 01:51:35,760 » Don't need to. I think we just as much. >> That's creative, but I question the 1323 01:51:34,639 --> 01:51:40,520 legality. >> I question the whole 1324 01:51:40,960 --> 01:51:50,040 move. >> I have a motion. Is there 1325 01:51:45,679 --> 01:51:50,040 second? All in favor say I. 1326 01:51:55,440 --> 01:52:03,440 » You got a vote. That motion passes. We have no executive session. 1327 01:52:01,280 --> 01:52:07,920 The next regular meeting will be Tuesday, September 15, 1328 01:52:06,320 --> 01:52:14,239 2026. Is there a motion to adjourn? 1329 01:52:10,880 --> 01:52:17,239 » We are ajourned. Thank you everyone. Always 1330 01:52:32,800 --> 01:52:35,960 a joy.