1 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:31,960 e 2 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:01,920 e 3 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:31,920 e 4 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,840 e 5 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,840 e 6 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,840 e 7 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:31,760 e 8 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:01,720 e 9 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:31,720 e 10 00:04:58,639 --> 00:05:01,639 e 11 00:05:28,639 --> 00:05:31,639 e 12 00:05:58,639 --> 00:06:01,639 e 13 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:31,560 e 14 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,520 e 15 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:31,520 e 16 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:01,440 e 17 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:31,440 e 18 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:01,440 e 19 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,360 e 20 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:01,320 e 21 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:31,320 e 22 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:01,240 e 23 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:32,279 e e 24 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:09,279 thank you all very much and thank I'd like to thank all the public for 25 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:17,079 um the their patience with us as we get started tonight Madam clerk can you um 26 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:24,959 call the role yes sir thank you uh 543 mayor Robert Parkhurst presid 27 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:30,199 mayor protm Christine low present council member Edward Garcia present 28 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:35,199 council member Jean Goss here and Mr Mayor uh council member Kelly creeps was 29 00:12:32,079 --> 00:12:39,880 previously excused great thank you so much all right uh tonight for our Pledge 30 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:45,440 of Allegiance and inspiration uh council member gos could you take us sure please 31 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:52,800 rise if you can and face the flag ready begin I pledge allegiance to 32 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:59,680 the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands 33 00:12:55,560 --> 00:13:04,240 one nation under God indivisible justice for all you be 34 00:13:04,639 --> 00:13:11,120 seated we're trying to figure out what to say for inspiration sometimes it's a 35 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:17,519 challenge I thought maybe something light-hearted tonight but maybe related 36 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:24,160 to city government in a tangential way so I found an article published 37 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:28,120 today uh in Europe at the radio Prague website in the Czech 38 00:13:25,639 --> 00:13:33,440 Republic and it's about how a beaver colony 39 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:39,760 successfully completed a public works project so I'm going to read the article 40 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:44,240 verba him I can't improve on this a beaver colony in the birdie region has 41 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:48,800 gained overnight Fame by building several dams in the birdie protected 42 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:55,680 landscape area creating a natural Wetland exactly where it was needed it 43 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:59,839 saved the local authorities $1.3 million and has the public cracking jokes about 44 00:13:57,639 --> 00:14:04,519 public administration and tape they could have not have chosen 45 00:14:01,959 --> 00:14:08,920 their location better erecting the dams on a bypass Gully that was built by 46 00:14:07,199 --> 00:14:14,199 soldiers in the former military base years ago to drain the area the 47 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:19,279 revitalization project drafted by environmentalists was supposed to remedy 48 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:25,079 this Mr fizer head of the birdie protected landscape area Administration 49 00:14:22,279 --> 00:14:30,880 says nature took its course and the Beavers created the necessary botot 50 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:35,000 conditions practically overnight quote the military Forest management and the 51 00:14:32,759 --> 00:14:39,320 vava River Basin were negotiating with each other to set up the project and 52 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:45,600 address issues regarding ownership of the land the Beavers beat them to it 53 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:50,839 saving us $1.3 million they built the dams without any project documentation 54 00:14:48,279 --> 00:14:56,600 and for free zoologist Zuri vilek said the local 55 00:14:54,279 --> 00:15:01,000 Administration was no competition for the beaver Colony quote beavers are able 56 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:05,320 able to build a dam in one night two nights at most while people have to get 57 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:10,120 building permits get the building project approved and find the money for 58 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:14,680 it environmentalists who inspected the work said the wet land and pools the 59 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:19,839 Beavers created will offer good conditions for the rare Stone crayfish 60 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:25,720 frogs and other species that thrive on Wetlands said yav oberm head of the 61 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:32,160 central Bohemian Office of the Czech nature and Landscape Protection Agency 62 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:36,680 quote beavers always know best the places where they build dams are always 63 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:41,600 chosen right better than we design it on paper so I don't know what to take from 64 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:46,360 that except that as a public entity that sometimes has to contract out maybe we 65 00:15:44,279 --> 00:15:50,839 should increase the scope of our bids and maybe uh see if some colonies of 66 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:59,000 beavers are available sometime Mr Mayor I yield the floor back 67 00:15:53,360 --> 00:16:05,040 to you yes well put well put excellent all right um so now we'll move on to the 68 00:16:01,839 --> 00:16:11,360 next item on the agenda which is um the approval of the meeting agenda uh we 69 00:16:07,839 --> 00:16:18,800 have um there's two items we have requests to to modify um so I'm going to 70 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:23,560 turn to City attorney garoian for uh the the first item and then I'll bring up 71 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:29,360 the second uh mayor thank you in light of The reigns that are going to begin on 72 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:34,680 Wednesday and continue on I believe through Friday uh the city manager has 73 00:16:32,759 --> 00:16:39,279 requested that we place an item for discussion on the agenda on an emergency 74 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:43,519 basis in order to do so we'll need a vote of the entire Council to approve 75 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:46,560 plac that on the agenda and I believe staff does have a presentation if the 76 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:52,959 city council chooses to place it on the agenda that's the first one and and that 77 00:16:49,959 --> 00:16:56,839 would be in the discussion section is that correct or would it be in the it it 78 00:16:55,480 --> 00:17:03,519 it would be a discussion item correct mayor great okay and and the second one 79 00:16:59,959 --> 00:17:10,039 would be uh rearranging the discussion items um obviously this is going to be 80 00:17:06,039 --> 00:17:14,799 your the council's prerogative uh but placing consideration of ordinance 1478 81 00:17:12,919 --> 00:17:21,360 before sign placement would be the request and then perhaps if you wanted 82 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:25,959 to have the uh discussion item for this emergency uh consideration of of The 83 00:17:24,039 --> 00:17:30,919 reigns you can place that first have consideration of the ordinance 1478 84 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:35,559 second and then sign placement third would be an option okay i' like to amend 85 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:43,320 the agenda to reflect the city attorney's proposal I'll second that 86 00:17:38,360 --> 00:17:49,120 great all in favor I I any opposed great the uh agenda has been adopted 87 00:17:46,039 --> 00:17:54,000 unanimously next we have back up back to you uh City attorney G goian for a 88 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:59,440 report out from closed session thank you mayor the city council met in closed 89 00:17:56,120 --> 00:18:04,799 session on January 28th to discuss initiation of litigation no reportable 90 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:09,960 action was taken the city council again met today uh under that same agenda item 91 00:18:08,120 --> 00:18:16,159 initiation of litigation again no reportable action was taken great thank 92 00:18:12,799 --> 00:18:21,960 you all right uh next item on the agenda is the approval for reading resolutions 93 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:30,360 and ordinances by title only so moved do I have a second second all in favor I 94 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:36,640 all right then um we've got the meeting minutes um if I can turn it to the city 95 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:43,600 clerk um to um to walk us through that that item 96 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:47,679 we've got I think two items on that yes sir thank you Mr Mayor the agenda 97 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:53,799 currently lists three sets of uh meeting minutes however the January 9th minutes 98 00:18:50,520 --> 00:19:00,760 were previously approved as amended and so um those do not require a second 99 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:05,799 approval the um city council has asked to consider the approval of the January 100 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:11,600 21st special meeting minutes and the approval of the January 28 2025 city 101 00:19:08,919 --> 00:19:16,960 council regular meeting minutes the city clerk's office did receive a request 102 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:21,400 from uh mayor Parkhurst suggesting non-substantive amendments uh 103 00:19:19,360 --> 00:19:27,120 specifically to the January 21st meeting minutes page three we were asked to 104 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:33,600 change to uh from mayor crebs to Mayor Parkhurst on page 20 uh council member 105 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:37,960 low requested uh an item on motorized bikes and scooters and safety 106 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:42,440 regulations and then to the January 28th meeting minutes it was suggested that we 107 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:49,000 uh make an amendment to the minutes to reflect that council member crebs 108 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:55,960 um the pronouns be changed on uh on that sentence in the second 109 00:19:51,240 --> 00:20:01,280 paragraph cler um one one more on um on the January 21st my my apologies um not 110 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:05,440 just the motorized bikes and scooters but also the community risk reduction 111 00:20:02,919 --> 00:20:09,600 officer those were both uh mayor Pro Temp 112 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:18,039 low and um I believe I'm I'm noted there thank you any other edits to the 113 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:23,559 minutes then I'll entertain a motion for approval I move to approve as amended 114 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:28,320 second all in favor all all right Madam cler do we need separate or 115 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:32,520 can we put this together it it can be done as one one hole great all right uh 116 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:36,679 then we'll move to Mayor and city council reports uh Council MOS why don't 117 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:41,000 you go first okay 118 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:47,440 um on February 3rd I attended the meeting of the ad hoc Library project 119 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:53,120 committee here at City Hall the meeting was well attended we did miss a meeting 120 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:57,760 in January because of the fires and we got some good and some bad news I'll 121 00:20:55,200 --> 00:21:01,559 share the bad news first as you can imagine the fire is tapped into a 122 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:07,200 significant amount of staff time in January and that kind of set us back in 123 00:21:04,159 --> 00:21:12,320 terms of time and then an in congruency was found between the architectural 124 00:21:08,919 --> 00:21:17,240 survey and the Civil survey so that took several weeks for that a redesign to 125 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:22,159 take place so they became congruent and can be used and in total those 126 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:28,039 developments put us back about a month the good news is that we are in the 127 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:31,880 clear now we're proceeding with uh the remaining 128 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:37,559 avation the also the original time estimates were very well padded so the 129 00:21:34,799 --> 00:21:44,320 target date for completion will still be January 31st 2026 the project manager is 130 00:21:42,039 --> 00:21:50,760 is very confident that that will take place um and we are particularly uh 131 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:55,159 happy to hear that they've gotten over all the major hurdles all the unexpected 132 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:59,480 things are pretty much taken care of so they think work is going to proceed much 133 00:21:57,559 --> 00:22:03,960 quicker over the next few months in the springtime I'd like I think it was 134 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:09,159 referred to as open field running for the next few months so that's that's a 135 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:16,159 good way to encapsulate this the project manage uh project management firm has 136 00:22:12,679 --> 00:22:21,120 given us a new project manager verx has uh a new person in named Sandra burga 137 00:22:18,919 --> 00:22:24,240 she attended that meeting and it's diving right in and we'll be working 138 00:22:22,799 --> 00:22:29,080 closely with our director of Public Works and other people associated with 139 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:33,640 the project uh last Friday the 7th I attended the 140 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:39,279 transportation subcommittee meeting with my subcommittee meeting colleague mayor 141 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:44,919 parkur very exciting news after a long long laborious process the subcommittee 142 00:22:42,159 --> 00:22:49,720 has completed its original charge and we will be bringing back a proposal for a 143 00:22:46,799 --> 00:22:54,640 new shuttle service and a new dial ride service for the city at our next city 144 00:22:52,039 --> 00:23:00,080 council meeting on February 25th so stay tuned it's going to be very interesting 145 00:22:56,679 --> 00:23:05,559 and exciting I think Mr May thank you so much uh council member Garcia why don't 146 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:09,760 we kick it to you next thank you uh there was a meeting of the senior 147 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:13,120 community Commission on February 6th last 148 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:19,000 Thursday um see chair Croc is an attendance uh it was a typical meeting 149 00:23:16,279 --> 00:23:24,960 except for we had a presentation by uh City attorney gear goian and Senior 150 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:30,000 planner um wolf regarding the sier Vista Apartments U there's been some concern 151 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:36,080 um it it is a senior living facility for the most part uh uh low and very low 152 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:42,600 income uh I think 45 of the 46 units are designated for that um but uh attorney 153 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:47,840 gagosian gave a very good overview of the history of um all of the 154 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:51,039 the different agreements and amendments and 155 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:55,039 ownership and um that was really part one they tried to keep their meetings to 156 00:23:52,360 --> 00:24:01,720 one hour um so we will see a part two I I'm assuming on March 6th um at the next 157 00:23:58,559 --> 00:24:07,360 meeting which will be talking about um the different Ami levels for very low 158 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:10,880 and low income and the the the rent uh the amount of rent that can be charged 159 00:24:09,360 --> 00:24:15,640 for each of these units because that's that's one of the large concerns the the 160 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:20,960 rent and the um the maintenance and that was brought to the commission and um the 161 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:23,840 commission actually got a very quick response from staff so I was very 162 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:32,240 pleased with that and that's all I have to report great mayor P um on February 163 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:37,799 5th I went to different homes with the S Madre fire Association the firefighters 164 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:41,720 and um was able to really partake in something kind of nice to be able to go 165 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:45,679 and see the families and the people whose homes were damaged um and not 166 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:50,440 necessarily lost because you're not able to walk to a home and help somebody out 167 00:24:47,799 --> 00:24:54,480 when they're they're not there but um they took part in a a pretty good 168 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:59,640 program and neat program that California fire Foundation put together and they 169 00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:05,600 call them the safe cards their uh supplies Aid to victims of emergency 170 00:25:02,159 --> 00:25:10,440 cards that they handed out to every um person in sir modre who had a damaged or 171 00:25:07,559 --> 00:25:15,000 lost home and then um only place in town also covered a dinner card for about 172 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:18,120 $100 each person so it's really neat to go and see those people and you know we 173 00:25:16,799 --> 00:25:20,320 have a really amazing town where a lot of the people are like well is there 174 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:24,240 anyone else who could use it more than me and they you know and they and the 175 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:28,720 people that that really need it they're still willing to give um and we're 176 00:25:25,919 --> 00:25:33,240 seeing that all across a lot of our our our residents who lost are are out there 177 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:38,240 actually giving back and not and not receiving help um and then on February 178 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:43,440 6th I went to the special meeting of La County's selection committee where we 179 00:25:40,399 --> 00:25:48,200 select our uh District Library um Commissioners and also our Metro 180 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:52,080 Commissioners um and so uh that was a new experience uh for me and we also got 181 00:25:50,399 --> 00:25:58,559 to see all the different council members and Mayors from all of the cities in in 182 00:25:55,080 --> 00:26:04,640 in Los Angeles County um and then on February 7th 183 00:26:00,399 --> 00:26:07,760 um city manager Roso and I really got to attend one of the most unique and I 184 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:14,000 don't know if this has ever been done special meetings um ever is um our brand 185 00:26:10,919 --> 00:26:20,080 new Senator state senator uh Sasha Renee Perez as well as our um Senate leader 186 00:26:17,279 --> 00:26:23,559 Mike Maguire held a round table and we thought we were going just to hear all 187 00:26:21,919 --> 00:26:28,600 the needs that all of our cities have experienced during this um disaster and 188 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:34,760 instead it was almost every single senator from all over the whole state so 189 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:40,399 I was sitting next to the senator for um uh a more southern region and we got to 190 00:26:37,679 --> 00:26:46,919 speak with the senator for uh Santa Barbara that dealt with the mudslide in 191 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:49,880 um in mono so it was a really great experience one of the things that we 192 00:26:48,360 --> 00:26:54,640 really brought up of course was our mud flow U mitigation what are we going to 193 00:26:51,880 --> 00:27:00,640 do and what can we do um and we got put in some so we got put into uh contact 194 00:26:57,799 --> 00:27:05,399 with the um people that worked with the other mud flows uh in the Santa Barbara 195 00:27:03,159 --> 00:27:10,159 County um what are small businesses able to do besides just grants um army cor of 196 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:13,640 engineer removal debris and insurance companies and all this information will 197 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:18,880 come to you um we'll be able to feed it out to you particularly in a later time 198 00:27:15,279 --> 00:27:22,279 in uh a town hall meeting um and uh also with seniors we're seeing our seniors 199 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:27,039 really have a lot of deficits right now because they've been impacted they had 200 00:27:23,799 --> 00:27:29,520 to evacuate so their um comprehension is lower they're not good with tech 201 00:27:28,159 --> 00:27:33,600 technology so how are they able to fill out all of this paperwork and get it in 202 00:27:31,039 --> 00:27:37,360 at the dates so there's um funding available as well as positions available 203 00:27:35,399 --> 00:27:41,080 that to go out to community and help seniors um school funding what are we 204 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:44,600 going to do with all the students that we've lost as well as uh the change in 205 00:27:43,120 --> 00:27:48,440 your property assessments what's going to happen if you have to rebuild so it 206 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:51,679 was a really exciting time to really collaborate with with 207 00:27:53,000 --> 00:28:01,799 everybody thank you very much and thank you for representing the city uh at the 208 00:27:58,679 --> 00:28:08,399 LA uh County selection committee and the uh special meeting um so uh my report uh 209 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:13,840 January 29th I attended the opening of the sarer middle school and got to see 210 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:18,720 um the first day there and what they were doing to help uh support all of the 211 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:24,279 students that you know the first day back and and all of the uh wraparound 212 00:28:21,360 --> 00:28:29,720 services that they've got for them uh on January 31st I attended uh a uh assembly 213 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:34,240 round round table for our Assembly District uh with assembly member uh 214 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:40,440 herian and a number of other cities attended and we got uh you know it was a 215 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:44,080 really a listening session uh that uh what all the cities needed and what what 216 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:49,559 feed you know what do they want from from the assembly district uh city 217 00:28:46,159 --> 00:28:52,200 manager Roso also attended that with me uh and it was a it was a good 218 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:56,440 conversation and and we got some some good information out of that which along 219 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:59,440 with the information from the uh Senate meeting I think we we'll pull together 220 00:28:58,159 --> 00:29:04,600 and get out to the community um on February 6th the clean 221 00:29:02,519 --> 00:29:09,360 power Alliance had its board meeting uh two things to come out of that one of 222 00:29:07,039 --> 00:29:14,919 the items is is that um there was a recent uh CPU California Public 223 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:19,679 Utilities commission's ruling that went against the uh interest of us as as 224 00:29:18,399 --> 00:29:25,919 members of the clean power Alliance from a financial perspective um that was 225 00:29:23,039 --> 00:29:29,240 unfortunate it was even more unfortunate um that they put it on consent and 226 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:33,679 didn't even have it is a discussion item and um the report back that we got was 227 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:40,120 the way they uh treated our Representatives including um our um the 228 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:44,279 county represented County Supervisors was not not what you would expect of an 229 00:29:42,919 --> 00:29:50,679 organization that buys the most renewable energy in the country um on 230 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:58,320 the more positive side uh we approved a geothermal project um out of uh Utah I 231 00:29:55,039 --> 00:30:01,000 believe is it'll give us U 247 renewable energy and that'll be coming online I 232 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:05,480 think in 2027 uh and then uh I was also a 233 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:08,960 president of the transportation committee and nothing additional to 234 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:14,440 report there council member go always does such a fabulous job reporting out 235 00:30:10,519 --> 00:30:21,760 from that uh City announcements so I have uh three announcements here uh the 236 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:26,000 first one is that the uh that the seniors are going to be continuing to to 237 00:30:24,159 --> 00:30:31,440 host the the senior lunch and food program Monday through Thursday at the 238 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:38,200 heart Park Center starting at 11:30 a.m. and if uh and this is is uh sponsored in 239 00:30:35,519 --> 00:30:44,039 in cooperation with the YWCA and if you want more information you can call 240 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:50,200 626 355 241 00:30:46,559 --> 00:30:54,679 5278 and then also uh with the senior committee is there accepting nominations 242 00:30:52,159 --> 00:30:58,679 for their older American of the year the nomination forms are available at the 243 00:30:56,679 --> 00:31:02,320 senior har Park House uh and we encourage you to pick up one 244 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:07,240 and help us celebrate the incredible contributions of our older adults in the 245 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:13,919 community and I a I imagine that there's a public comment coming up that will uh 246 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:18,720 tell us more about that um then on Thursday February 13th so two days from 247 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:25,880 now uh the Chamber of Commerce is going to have a ribbon cutting uh for die 248 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:33,039 pretty over at the uh Kensington from 5: to 7:00 p.m. uh and and there's a also a 249 00:31:29,679 --> 00:31:39,919 mixer associated with that and that is all we have for City uh city council 250 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:44,639 reports and and public announcements so now we'll move on to the participation 251 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:49,120 code uh so we're going to open it up for items not on the agenda and as a part of 252 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:55,279 that we have the uh participation code which is on back of all of the the cards 253 00:31:51,679 --> 00:31:58,679 that are there uh and for the the first couple of meetings of the year we 254 00:31:56,399 --> 00:32:02,639 typically read this so uh our public participation code of 255 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:07,039 conduct says your participation is welcomed and invited at all City Council 256 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:10,639 meetings the council requests that participants refrain from making 257 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:15,159 personal slanderous profane or disruptive remarks a person who 258 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:19,480 continues to disrupt disrupt the orderly conduct of the meeting after being 259 00:32:16,799 --> 00:32:23,440 warned by the mayor or design to Cease the disrup disruption may be precluded 260 00:32:21,919 --> 00:32:27,519 from further participation in the meeting no signs posters or other large 261 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:32,240 objects shall be brought into Council chamber MERS or other meeting place if 262 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:35,760 doing so would disrupt disturb or otherwise impede the orderly course of 263 00:32:34,399 --> 00:32:39,960 the meeting um if you do want to make a 264 00:32:38,399 --> 00:32:44,120 public comment we do ask you to fill out when the yellow cards and bring it down 265 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:48,200 to the clerk Madame clerk do we have any public comments for items not on the 266 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:52,159 agenda yes sir thank you Mr Mayor the city uh clerk's office received three 267 00:32:50,399 --> 00:32:59,639 emails that were forwarded to the city council and they uh first was from 268 00:32:55,919 --> 00:33:04,519 George Eaton on Highland uh the second was from Katrina hits tough on Orange 269 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:09,240 Drive and the third was from Katherine Addie and um those emails were forwarded 270 00:33:07,639 --> 00:33:14,919 to the city council and will be entered into record we do have uh four comment 271 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:19,559 cards for items not on the agenda the first of the four is from Pat Croc 272 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:37,679 good evening mayor Parkhurst and City Council Members I'm Patricia croc from 273 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:41,799 your senior community commission and first of all belated happy New Year's 274 00:33:39,799 --> 00:33:47,440 and uh thank you to all the First Responders who help save our town I just 275 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:52,240 wanted to bring you up to date on what happening at the park house this month 276 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:57,000 and other little things that we're developing for the rest of the year uh 277 00:33:54,679 --> 00:34:01,600 as the mayor so noted the lunch program is in full swing Monday through Thursday 278 00:33:58,919 --> 00:34:08,040 at 11:30 and to help enhance that program and maybe bring in a few more 279 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:12,720 seniors uh on occasion we do little what we call Little lectures on things that 280 00:34:10,599 --> 00:34:17,599 are pertinent to the seniors we had one recently on how to hang up on phone 281 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:23,359 scammers and how to slam the door in front of door 282 00:34:19,399 --> 00:34:28,200 scammers uh hearing health center clinic and then last week there was a lung 283 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:34,000 screening clinic for those Vic victims of well everybody the eaten fire Canyon 284 00:34:31,839 --> 00:34:39,919 smoke and if you qualified you were given a free air filter and so I 285 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:47,359 qualified so my husband's getting that for Valentine's and and I'm keeping his 286 00:34:42,679 --> 00:34:51,599 box the SE so and screening air filters and also we had a lecture on the 287 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:56,040 importance of enzymes in your nutrition and these little mini lectures are just 288 00:34:53,839 --> 00:35:01,200 maybe a half an hour and they're just fun and informative Fe February 27th 289 00:34:58,839 --> 00:35:06,480 we've got a senior tour booked to go to the Reagan Library to tour at the Dead 290 00:35:03,079 --> 00:35:13,599 Sea Scrolls this coming Thursday the Valentine social 3:00 at the park house 291 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:18,480 lots of food lots of fun raffle prizes and just a good time for 292 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:23,320 everyone nominations for the older American are out through the city and 293 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:29,079 that event will be held in May there'll be more information on that as we move 294 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:33,760 along March we're running a tour of the uh Academy of Motion Picture museum for 295 00:35:32,599 --> 00:35:39,599 the seniors uh Bingo's coming up on February 296 00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:45,160 20th at the Hart Park house and we discussed at our last meeting uh for the 297 00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:48,800 month of March having an income tax professional there at least one day a 298 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:53,520 week to help seniors prepare their income taxes any of this information is 299 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:56,640 available on the senior moments newsletter you can call the Park house 300 00:35:55,880 --> 00:36:02,640 at 626355 7even no that's my number 301 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:07,560 626355 what is it 5278 and get put on the senior moments 302 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:13,200 news letter thank you thank you very much chair 303 00:36:10,119 --> 00:36:17,040 Croc city clerk uh thank you Mr Mayor the next speaker card is from Steve 304 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:31,720 Palmer uh good evening um my name is Steve Palmer I live at 55 North Hermosa 305 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:34,560 Avenue across uh the cader elementary school 306 00:36:32,599 --> 00:36:39,640 field uh you'll have to pardon me for trying to read this very quickly as I 307 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:44,000 have 20 plus years excuse me of dealing with this situation and trying to 308 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:46,599 distill it down to three minutes I'm here tonight to express my concerns 309 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:50,440 about the increased use of the elementary school field by the various 310 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:54,440 SE mad baseball teams and the impact it's having on our neighborhood my wife 311 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:59,280 and I purchased our home in 1977 we've seen the field evolve over 312 00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:04,119 the past 48 years from a mostly dirt field with weeds to a multi-use baseball 313 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:07,240 field over the past 20 years we've met with City officials and baseball 314 00:37:05,720 --> 00:37:11,400 representatives to come up with solutions that enable teams to play in 315 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:15,280 the field while lessening the negative impact on our neighborhood unfortunately 316 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:20,319 we've only seen an increase in traffic congestion parking problems and an 317 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:25,640 increase in noise levels throughout the years currently the cad Little League 318 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:31,160 Baseball site list seven Baseball Fields as open as of this morning Heasley Sader 319 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:37,720 ele Elementary School s Sader Middle School leeski field in Arcadia draer 320 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:44,720 field Blair high school and uh Bonita in March of 2023 we met with a sir Madre 321 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:50,119 girls baseball rep he told us the uh field at the middle school was not being 322 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:54,119 used excuse me because needed a major upgrade for proper drainage I went over 323 00:37:52,119 --> 00:37:58,280 to the Middle School field last March after a heavy rain it appeared to me 324 00:37:56,240 --> 00:38:02,160 that there was only minor r off which could easily be repaired by one or two 325 00:37:59,960 --> 00:38:06,800 people within a short period of time the rep rep also told me the upgrade would 326 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:12,640 be of no cost to the school or the school district he also said that um the 327 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:16,440 school and School District seemed only vaguely interested in pursuing the 328 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:21,040 upgrade as mentioned earlier this field is cons listed as open on the uh SI 329 00:38:19,079 --> 00:38:26,079 Moder L League Baseball site last February I met with Deputy city manager 330 00:38:23,319 --> 00:38:30,880 Laura agular to express our concern she said the baseball league needed $100,000 331 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:35,880 for the upgrade at the middle school but the league needed $100,000 first to 332 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:40,079 upgrade the lights at Heasley fielded I asked if some of the impact could be 333 00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:44,880 mitigated by disseminating some of disseminating some of the games to the 334 00:38:41,720 --> 00:38:48,760 other fields not having games on Sunday and that the coaches not play music 335 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:52,960 during the games as the noise of the teams and parents was already more than 336 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:56,640 sufficient unfortunately none of these items seem to be addressed I should 337 00:38:54,960 --> 00:39:01,280 mention that the baseball league issued a memo asking people not to park on 338 00:38:58,839 --> 00:39:05,520 Hermosa well I appreciate the gesture it had little effect and even if it did it 339 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:09,920 would only push the problem um to another neighborhood the leak also said 340 00:39:07,599 --> 00:39:13,680 the uh school parking lot on the other side of the school would be open I've 341 00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:18,319 checked several times during games and the gates were locked and even if the 342 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:21,640 people did park there the primary problem to me of the noise issue would 343 00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:27,000 still exist okay let's see at one of our 344 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:31,319 meeting uh meetings years back a person oop okay well let's see in summary I 345 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:35,640 just want to make it clear we are not against games at the elementary school 346 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:39,839 we hope to see some games there directed to the other Open Fields no games on 347 00:39:37,720 --> 00:39:43,760 Sundays and no music during the games it would be great to see the city and 348 00:39:41,359 --> 00:39:48,720 baseball Community have some awareness and consideration of the impact of the 349 00:39:46,079 --> 00:39:56,520 games are having uh on our neighborhood thank you great thank you very much Mr 350 00:39:53,200 --> 00:40:00,520 Palmer and Mr Mayor I'm I'm I'm going to flub this last name because I I'm having 351 00:39:58,720 --> 00:40:09,319 trouble reading it but the first name is Brenda and the last name is 352 00:40:04,119 --> 00:40:09,319 welcome welome wtz thank 353 00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:25,599 you hello it's my first time here um so I live at 229 North Hermosa directly on 354 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:30,319 the corner right across from the S MRE M field um I'm just 355 00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:37,000 uh kind of highlighting what Steve said all those concerns and my house is like 356 00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:44,640 directly impacted on the weekends the noise the um trash has been better but 357 00:40:41,599 --> 00:40:50,079 the music playing the noise the traffic I have three cars I I'm able to park one 358 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:57,520 in the uh garage and I have two other cars my me and my son and my partner um 359 00:40:53,160 --> 00:41:04,160 so during the week um when I come home from work and my son comes home from 360 00:41:00,599 --> 00:41:09,280 college we it's very hard for us to park in our area I either have to park a 361 00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:16,680 couple streets over until they're uh until they leave cleared out or 362 00:41:14,079 --> 00:41:23,599 um I don't have anywhere to park um also the field was it seems like 363 00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:30,960 our community we're not even allowed to use the field um and there's a sign outs 364 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:36,800 side um that I wanted to read real quick that's that said the community should be 365 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:42,200 able to use it when the the um uh youth isn't there and when the school is not 366 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:45,960 there but it's always locked and us I used to walk that field run that field 367 00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:49,440 and now we can't even use it the community can't even use the field on 368 00:41:47,839 --> 00:41:55,440 the times that nobody else is there because it's always locked so um anyway 369 00:41:52,800 --> 00:42:00,400 that's kind of been a big issue but uh especially the parking and uh the 370 00:41:58,079 --> 00:42:07,280 traffic I would just hopefully try to find some kind of uh 371 00:42:04,720 --> 00:42:12,280 help with you know what we can do as a community we can't even use the field 372 00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:17,319 anymore our parking is impacted and the noise just and want the families coming 373 00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:22,200 in the baseball family and softball families to just kind of respect our our 374 00:42:19,839 --> 00:42:26,559 the the noise level too and not playing any music I I came out one Saturday 375 00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:31,280 morning at 9:00 in the morning because they were playing music and it's 376 00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:36,480 Saturday morning 9:00 so I went out there and told them to please stop and 377 00:42:33,240 --> 00:42:40,800 they did and just want want to keep up on that and stuff but anyway these are 378 00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:48,400 my concerns and it's hard because it impacts my um um as a resident here I 379 00:42:46,079 --> 00:42:52,000 feel like I have a lot of issues with the field and the baseball and the 380 00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:55,359 softball I mean I understand you know having to do it but I'm wondering if 381 00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:59,800 they could use the other fields like Steve had mentioned and stuff 382 00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:05,280 and just the families be respectful of our neighborhood and the people who live 383 00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:08,440 there and that type of thing anyway thank you can I can I ask please quick 384 00:43:07,559 --> 00:43:14,400 question ma'am um what your this this increased 385 00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:19,200 activity and noise we're hearing about was this just started this season was 386 00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:24,160 this place last year years and it's gotten worse the 387 00:43:21,599 --> 00:43:29,559 last yeah since the since the pandemic so it hasn't really gone up this year 388 00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:35,079 any more than last well um no it has it has we had a little break with the fires 389 00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:40,280 and stuff but now it's back and um not only do they have practice during the 390 00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:46,000 day uh during the um like late afternoons so during the week it's hard 391 00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:50,079 for me to even Park and then Saturdays they have baseball and then Sundays they 392 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:54,240 have softball too so you have we're having you know the traffic the parking 393 00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:58,760 so this particular year is a little bit worse than previous year I think it's 394 00:43:55,839 --> 00:44:02,920 gotten worse like so every year yeah yeah just would like for them maybe to 395 00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:08,200 use some of the other fields and just to be respectful of our neighborhood and 396 00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:14,119 stuff while they're there thank you m w mam clerk any other yes thank you the 397 00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:17,839 uh final speaker card is from the city librarian uh City librarian 398 00:44:25,359 --> 00:44:32,559 Regan hello mayor Park Hurst and mayor proen low and our honorable city council 399 00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:37,240 I'm Leila Regan your friendly neighborhood City librarian uh it is 400 00:44:35,079 --> 00:44:40,640 still one book one city month so I just wanted to come back here and remind you 401 00:44:39,240 --> 00:44:45,480 of some of the events that are still happening for one book one city um this 402 00:44:43,839 --> 00:44:51,000 Saturday we have felting uh if you don't know what 403 00:44:47,599 --> 00:44:54,359 felting is I didn't either so so we'll all learn together but um we're having 404 00:44:52,839 --> 00:44:58,200 craft it which is something we haven't had at the library since we've moved to 405 00:44:55,800 --> 00:45:03,440 our temporary so you can come and learn how to felt and go home with something 406 00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:10,559 really neat or perhaps a new hobby and uh we also have a um one book one city 407 00:45:07,559 --> 00:45:17,880 play this world the world's strongest librarian that is going to be 408 00:45:13,119 --> 00:45:25,640 7M on Monday the 24th at the playhouse we also have our second Sip 409 00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:30,520 and shush which which is our silent book club we had our first one at RT Rogers 410 00:45:28,119 --> 00:45:36,559 this past Saturday it went really well um big um thank you to RT Rogers for 411 00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:41,680 letting our little group meet there and read quietly which was nice so that's 412 00:45:40,119 --> 00:45:49,000 essentially what a silent book club is and we will be doing that Wednesday the 413 00:45:44,319 --> 00:45:53,359 26th at 7:00 p.m. at RT Rogers and to everyone who submitted their wonderful 414 00:45:51,359 --> 00:45:57,680 pieces about uh how libraries have impacted their life we are working on 415 00:45:55,839 --> 00:46:04,040 publishing that book and we are going to have a book signing and reading on 416 00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:10,400 Friday February 28th so hope you all can attend that and uh we also have our one 417 00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:15,359 book one city third Thursday book club so if you would like to discuss the book 418 00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:23,920 uh this book club meets on zoom and that is going to be Thursday the 15th I 419 00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:27,800 believe in my head um at 11:00 a.m. we do have some programs that are not one 420 00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:33,359 book one city uh that that we hope uh more people will attend we have tomorrow 421 00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:38,040 is our caregiver Workshop so you can uh come to the library we have love 422 00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:43,480 buug which is a really fun way to interact with your child it's for ages 0 423 00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:49,760 to 36 and that is tomorrow Wednesday at the library at 10:00 a.m. and then on 424 00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:56,559 Thursday we have our sensory play which is for our um our wonderful children 425 00:46:53,079 --> 00:47:03,200 ages 0 to 11 that would prefer to play in a quiet controlled space and we have 426 00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:07,319 exploratory toy toys available and we are working on February 22nd we will 427 00:47:05,559 --> 00:47:12,359 have an interior design with TSK Architects we'll have a little town hall 428 00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:17,760 here in the city council chamber excuse me city council chambers and uh we will 429 00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:25,200 be live streaming that and recording it as well so those are all the programs I 430 00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:29,839 believe I have thank you so much just a a clarification there are two of the 431 00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:35,760 program that was 0 to 36 was that months or years months okay and then and then 432 00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:41,520 then and then the Z caregivers and it's 0 to 11 is it years there we go okay 433 00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:47,720 that's what I thought thank you for catching that I appreciate it no problem 434 00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:53,920 all right Mr Mayor I do have a request from Glenn lamden to also speak great 435 00:47:51,810 --> 00:48:00,400 [Music] oh uh honorable mayor Madam May mayor 436 00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:06,160 proam councel staff uh Glenn lambden 444 St event uh I'd like to bring your 437 00:48:02,319 --> 00:48:12,319 attention to our Municipal Code chapter 120 438 00:48:07,720 --> 00:48:17,880 20. 070 it's titled duty of a budding land owners to cultivate trees on public 439 00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:25,119 property I find this um section of the code problematic in two ways uh what it 440 00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:30,200 says and what it doesn't say um basically what it says is that 441 00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:35,640 property owners are required private property owners are required to maintain 442 00:48:32,599 --> 00:48:40,000 publicly owned trees on publicly owned property this is done by taking their 443 00:48:38,559 --> 00:48:47,680 Financial Resources uh labor and some 444 00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:52,200 materials for the benefit of the public without just 445 00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:55,559 compensation my question really becomes how is this not a fifth amendment taking 446 00:48:54,280 --> 00:49:00,200 and I've asked the question as some council members I've asked the question 447 00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:07,119 to staff and I received the same answer I don't know so if this is in fact where 448 00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:11,000 where we are requiring and taking from a private individual for the benefit of 449 00:49:09,079 --> 00:49:16,200 the public how is this not a fifth amendment taking I you know I think it's 450 00:49:13,599 --> 00:49:20,200 something that needs to be looked into what this doesn't 451 00:49:17,799 --> 00:49:26,000 do allow those residents that are encumbered with this special privileges 452 00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:31,319 doesn't give them special privileges to add things to the public Parkway as a 453 00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:36,880 matter of fact the code expressly prohibits putting anything that's an 454 00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:42,400 obstruction that could be on uh a public safety hazard elsewhere in the code it 455 00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:47,920 prohibits the placement of certain items on this where I'm having a problem with 456 00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:53,720 this is I've addressed this with staff and staff has told me that because of 457 00:49:51,119 --> 00:49:59,799 the encumbrance it's only fair that the homeowners should be allowed to put 458 00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:04,119 things on there that they want problem is when staff determines that they're 459 00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:09,920 going to create policy that circumvents the legislative Authority that we have 460 00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:15,040 granted to you our elected leaders it is never staff's position to create policy 461 00:50:13,079 --> 00:50:21,000 or to ignore the policy that this Council or previous councils have put 462 00:50:17,720 --> 00:50:25,960 into effect um so I would like with this in mind this is going to dovetail into a 463 00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:29,960 few of the other items that uh is that's on the agenda tonight and I'll speak to 464 00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:33,480 those so I thank you thank you Mr 465 00:50:35,319 --> 00:50:41,319 lamon um Mr Mayor James Carlson is the next 466 00:50:46,359 --> 00:50:52,480 speaker thank you very much I didn't make the agenda so I'm here for public 467 00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:56,760 comment and I will give myself three minutes um just want to give you a quick 468 00:50:54,680 --> 00:51:01,280 update on mud preparations and then I'll introduce our our our Chiefs uh sir M 469 00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:05,559 public works department has been working on preparations of mud and debris since 470 00:51:03,720 --> 00:51:11,359 the beginning before the E eaten fire was even out we've Co coordinated the 471 00:51:08,079 --> 00:51:17,400 debris removal from high priority basins including the sadre dam and that was a 472 00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:21,319 job that took 2,500 truckloads to get that that debris Basin ready for the 473 00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:26,359 upcoming storms we've installed what I refer to 474 00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:31,319 as best management practices those are being MPS those can be structural they 475 00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:36,720 can be also activity uh examples include K rails or sandbag walls it's also 476 00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:43,000 includes inspections and maintenance of of storm drains and a number of other 477 00:51:40,319 --> 00:51:48,000 structures throughout the town in an effort to meet anticipated demands for 478 00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:53,799 debris and mud management staff has met with the county and daily TK for Force 479 00:51:51,119 --> 00:51:59,400 task force meetings since the beginning we have also acquired the services of 480 00:51:56,119 --> 00:52:02,760 the p Public Works director with 37 years of institutional knowledge through 481 00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:07,920 willan Services decisions regarding where to 482 00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:13,440 locate bmps have evolved throughout the process Public Works crews are familiar 483 00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:16,880 with the areas of concern as well as locations that are intuitively needed to 484 00:52:16,079 --> 00:52:22,720 be addressed this week uh staff is actually 485 00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:27,359 also referred to the Watershed Emergency Response Team it's called a w report 486 00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:33,359 that was published by the state and and put out on February 4th and then this 487 00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:38,280 week the city is in re has received the County's phase one two and three mud 488 00:52:35,799 --> 00:52:42,960 flow prediction maps that provides us with additional Hydra hydrologic and 489 00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:46,680 Engineering recommendations the most common feedback 490 00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:53,880 that we are getting in the public works department is is um for a k to protect 491 00:52:50,599 --> 00:52:58,440 an individual's property we take all requests and analyze the effectiveness 492 00:52:56,160 --> 00:53:03,520 of each area that K rails have been located we want our community to know 493 00:53:01,240 --> 00:53:08,480 that staff will not Place K rails on private property and we will not Place K 494 00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:15,200 rails in the street if it would prevent access to areas for mud REM removal or 495 00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:19,720 the police and fire calls we understand also the need to be nimble this week 496 00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:26,160 will most likely provide us with the first instance of mud and debris flows 497 00:53:23,079 --> 00:53:30,960 and we will analyze what we've been um what we've been planning for with our 498 00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:34,880 with our institutional knowledge and our our engineers and our hydrologists and 499 00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:41,079 see how that compares with what we're seeing in real time so we will keep 500 00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:46,000 moving um we don't have the set plan I would like to introduce Chief bentos and 501 00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:51,319 chief Bartlett and they have an important announcement for you and look 502 00:53:47,720 --> 00:53:51,319 I just made it 503 00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:07,839 good evening uh mayor mayor protemp and city council U I'll provide you a little 504 00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:13,280 bit of an update to the upcoming uh storm as we prepare for the incoming 505 00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:18,400 storm expected from this Wednesday through Friday with Thursday posing the 506 00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:23,680 greatest risk I want to emphasize the importance of vigilance and Readiness 507 00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:26,920 our priority is and always will be the preservation of Life followed by 508 00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:31,599 property we have been proactive in addressing 509 00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:38,160 this Potential Threat several meetings have been held at the EOC that's the 510 00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:43,920 emergency Operation Center to ensure our preparedness and we have coordinated 511 00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:50,960 with area D for additional support in the event evacuations become necessary 512 00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:57,000 our police fire and City teams I mean Public 513 00:54:51,839 --> 00:55:01,480 Works um City Hall um Etc are fully engaged and are ready we will continue 514 00:54:59,559 --> 00:55:07,040 to monitor conditions closely and keep the community of breast I urge all 515 00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:13,240 residents to stay informed through the official City Communications Genesis 516 00:55:09,599 --> 00:55:19,799 nixel City and social media platforms and please have a plan in place and be 517 00:55:15,559 --> 00:55:25,359 ready to evacuate if conditions warrant if an evacuation order is issued please 518 00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:28,920 do not hesitate follow the direction to evacuate 519 00:55:27,039 --> 00:55:33,559 together as a community we'll face these challenges with resilience and 520 00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:40,839 preparedness thank you and uh this concludes um any questions or 521 00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:45,720 anything let's go ahead and and get uh fire chief up here and then uh I'll take 522 00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:50,599 a moment to see if there any questions thank you Mr Mayor uh mayor 523 00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:56,319 protm and City Council Members basically what i' I'd like to add to uh Chief 524 00:55:52,520 --> 00:56:02,480 bont's um talking points are yes we're we've been working very diligently D 525 00:55:59,079 --> 00:56:07,400 diligently very hard excuse me as a as a city to help mitigate any potential 526 00:56:05,079 --> 00:56:12,119 efforts um what I would like to bring to everybody's attention and hopefully we 527 00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:19,359 become very familiar with the uh Genesis protect app we used it during the fire 528 00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:25,760 um it is also a tool that is fluid and is able to be changed so what I'd like 529 00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:32,119 everybody to understand is the zones that we were working with 530 00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:37,559 prior were fire zones um each incident is going to have its own Dynamics to it 531 00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:42,119 now we have adjusted some of the zones they are basic the base zones will 532 00:56:39,599 --> 00:56:47,760 remain the same but we may have uh basically split some of the zones into 533 00:56:44,240 --> 00:56:55,200 an A B and potentially even a c these are going to be the mud and debris 534 00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:59,400 debris flow zones um which we have used the uh 535 00:56:57,079 --> 00:57:05,960 modeling that uh analyst car Carlson has spoke to to 536 00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:11,599 come up with these so um once again we're going to ask folks to get onto 537 00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:16,640 this app it's going to be a good point for you to know right now we put it all 538 00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:21,880 into an advisory in these blue sections here and uh when the time comes we can 539 00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:26,559 be changing those to an evacuation warning or an evacuation order and 540 00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:29,400 though you'll see the the zone will actually change colors but you'll be 541 00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:34,799 able to I don't know James you could pick just that 2B there and click on 542 00:57:32,119 --> 00:57:38,400 that U it is basically if you look at the left it tells you it's in an 543 00:57:36,319 --> 00:57:43,119 advisory and it gives you the reason those reasons right now uh we taken the 544 00:57:41,319 --> 00:57:51,520 Liberty to go ahead and put those into a phase two reason so they do um they do 545 00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:56,760 follow La County's mud debris flow um Phase 2 criteria or basically their 546 00:57:54,039 --> 00:58:01,000 definition so it's a helpful tool for our residents to kind of take a look 547 00:57:58,319 --> 00:58:05,480 at and mostly we really want to let folks know we have been planning and we 548 00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:08,880 have been prepping for this and we have identified some areas are concerned and 549 00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:13,359 we want to make that known to our citizens so they can prepare uh and as 550 00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:20,720 Chief baranto said again once the uh and if but uh any 551 00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:25,200 evacuation orders come where asking that you do please leave a 552 00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:30,640 residence um it's this is going to be a very different Dynamic than the fire we 553 00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:34,839 had a lot of residents did not uh heed the order for the fire 554 00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:39,480 evacuations um but this is going to be different uh what I want people to know 555 00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:45,119 at least from the fire side is if we have active mud and debris flow we are 556 00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:49,760 not responding in that area for an emergency especially if you are under an 557 00:58:47,039 --> 00:58:55,480 evacuation order you should not be there we are not going to put public safety 558 00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:59,039 personnel into Jeopardy in an active mud and debris FL 559 00:58:56,680 --> 00:59:02,319 um we will get there if we if we have the opportunity but under an evacuation 560 00:59:00,839 --> 00:59:06,920 order and again I can't stress enough when it's active we're not going to put 561 00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:10,280 First Responders in Jeopardy so please adhere to it it's a it's a different 562 00:59:08,799 --> 00:59:13,960 Beast than a fire can I ask a question yes is there 563 00:59:13,119 --> 00:59:17,280 anything else you have for your presentation no sir that was it okay on 564 00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:20,839 that note though I have a question yes please so should anybody even if they 565 00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:25,039 didn't evacuate let's say it didn't evacuate but we have active mud flow 566 00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:29,799 should anybody try to mitigate an active mud flow no it it and then the fact is 567 00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:34,839 and here's my suggestion if we have active and you still at home then 568 00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:40,480 shelter in place do not try to leave stay in your home um and hopefully uh 569 00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:45,839 stay in a safe Loca location in within your home but do not try to leave during 570 00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:51,400 active L debris flow we've all seen um news reels on this and it it's it could 571 00:59:48,039 --> 00:59:57,280 be very devastating and um very hazardous to 572 00:59:53,400 --> 01:00:02,799 life um so yeah we don't we don't uh uh once see the order will be 573 00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:06,039 given prior to any active flow as much as we can we're going to we're going to 574 01:00:04,119 --> 01:00:14,680 anticipate we're we're we're watching we're listening and we're U we're ready 575 01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:19,880 to give it the evacuation order prior to hopefully any any potential so um with 576 01:00:18,319 --> 01:00:25,760 as much notice as we get we'll give the public great counc member go so you're 577 01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:28,520 saying if you get caught shelter in place 578 01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:32,480 right correct but when you say it's a different Beast somebody's sitting in 579 01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:36,240 their house when you have a mud flow above you can you paint a picture of 580 01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:41,280 some of the potential problems that with that for them sitting in their house 581 01:00:39,359 --> 01:00:46,160 sitting in your house it depending on your location it could take out your 582 01:00:42,799 --> 01:00:51,319 whole house um and we won't be able to dig that out for quite a while depending 583 01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:55,160 on the severity of it I mean it's all speculation at this point we haven't 584 01:00:52,839 --> 01:00:59,079 seen it our city has never gone through an experience like this where our whole 585 01:00:56,559 --> 01:01:03,160 front country basically from you know Mitchel Linda to San Anita has never all 586 01:01:01,319 --> 01:01:08,880 burned at once at least in the histories that any of us are aware of um and so 587 01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:13,440 therefore we don't truly know what to expect other than historically what have 588 01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:19,480 we seen on previous fires but that's only been portions of our town so um 589 01:01:17,079 --> 01:01:25,240 we're we're just at we're asking people to expect for the plan for the worst but 590 01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:30,280 let's hope for the best U and again uh if we do the evacuation order please get 591 01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:35,280 out thank you k m Garcia thank you Mr Mayor uh thank you Chief and and I 592 01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:40,160 opened up my U Genesis protect app and I see as I so I'm I'm Zone 14 and I've 593 01:01:38,319 --> 01:01:45,119 known that since you've put this in front of us like 18 months ago um and as 594 01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:49,280 I zoom in I see it split in between uh A and B so I want to I would just want 595 01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:54,920 residents to know that you kind of have to zoom in on your app to see if you're 596 01:01:51,839 --> 01:01:59,720 a or b if there is a split um but my question is um one of my children goes 597 01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:04,119 to Mir high school and I D drive through aladen every morning and I would get 598 01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:09,079 alerts through not Genesis through smart 911 that I'm entering different zones 599 01:02:06,319 --> 01:02:13,200 that have different warnings will those warnings push through smart 11 911 as 600 01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:17,799 well and I know we have our nixel which are really well connected with Genesis 601 01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:20,359 correct um smart irland one thank you for for bringing that up that is 602 01:02:19,039 --> 01:02:24,640 something that we've been trying to implement for quite a while now it's 603 01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:29,039 gaining traction but it is not completely there as 604 01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:34,960 as an all-encompassing uh notification tool it because the reason I say that is 605 01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:39,119 an opt-in uh platform so if you sign up for it you will get those notices and 606 01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:42,160 and the the beauty of it is no matter where you're at in the State uh you 607 01:02:40,799 --> 01:02:45,920 could be visiting relatives in the northern California area if they if they 608 01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:50,480 have this active you're going to get notified for an area you're in no matter 609 01:02:47,799 --> 01:02:53,960 what it's just it's all GPS tracking type of stuff and and it and it will 610 01:02:52,079 --> 01:02:58,079 activate and that's what I've noticed as I drive you are now entering 611 01:02:56,400 --> 01:03:01,400 a Zone that's under evacuation warning and it would it will it will alert me to 612 01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:06,400 that yeah and the same the same kind of applies for the Genesis protect um you 613 01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:11,279 can type in your address it'll tell you what zone you're in or even if you if 614 01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:15,920 you move to another zone for instance if everybody opened up this app right now 615 01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:19,880 we'll all be in uh in in the same zone different than where you're where you 616 01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:24,599 may where you may live but you can also save one of the zones as your favorite 617 01:03:22,359 --> 01:03:28,680 so even if you're not home you can which is the great part about it with we have 618 01:03:26,119 --> 01:03:31,880 to repopulate after evacuations you can just go on this app and see what the 619 01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:35,279 status is without having to call the City without having to you know get in 620 01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:39,760 line behind everybody else to find out what's going on and I know the well four 621 01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:46,119 of us you the five of us are usually here are our utmost concerned is Public 622 01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:51,039 Safety um that being said I know we've had we've had some residents asking 623 01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:54,760 questions about am 16:30 is that still not really active not something to rely 624 01:03:53,119 --> 01:03:57,960 on at this point in time I think it's important for our residents to know know 625 01:03:56,480 --> 01:04:03,160 exactly where they should look and what they should rely upon uh may have to 626 01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:06,799 pass that off to to maybe city manager but my understanding yes it's not 627 01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:10,839 completely reliable yet because we do have some some old equipment old 628 01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:15,960 technology yeah where we cannot get those parts to repair it and make it uh 629 01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:19,319 fully functional at this point um and so what it is is we've heard loud and clear 630 01:04:17,839 --> 01:04:23,200 that we try to you know the community wants us commun communicate as best as 631 01:04:21,279 --> 01:04:27,640 possible we're finding all the tools we can not nothing's going to get replaced 632 01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:31,720 placed or throwing out they're all tools in the toolbox they're all applicable 633 01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:37,720 some might be more appropriate at a certain time uh but the Genesis protect 634 01:04:34,599 --> 01:04:42,559 the smart 911 app uh and and nixel they're all going to be utilized um if 635 01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:47,960 we have to we can use them all in concurrency thank you Chief welcome 636 01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:52,480 mayor may I add um some of the steps that uh we've taken is uh on the website 637 01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:58,599 in the next 24 hours when you go on the website this map will pop up um also on 638 01:04:55,839 --> 01:05:03,520 the website uh you can click on um the nixel tab and every nixel alert will is 639 01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:07,680 there for for our residents what I really want to stress is that right now 640 01:05:06,079 --> 01:05:12,599 the zones that are listed in that that light blue are 641 01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:17,599 advisory and I want to stress to our residents that those will likely change 642 01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:23,440 to a warning in the next 24 hours and there's a high probability that we'll 643 01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:28,520 have evacuation orders um so um we want residents to be prepared gather their 644 01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:33,480 documents the pets any medications um and make arrangements uh if you're in 645 01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:39,119 those areas for potential evacuation and relocation um until this event uh the 646 01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:44,799 storm event passes for mudslides do we also operate under the Ready set go 647 01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:48,200 correct and so where are we right now so right now we are I'll turn it over to 648 01:05:46,799 --> 01:05:53,440 yeah just a great question mayor thank you for uh for serving that one up um we 649 01:05:51,359 --> 01:05:56,920 do basically still operate under Ready set go the same we would under under 650 01:05:55,079 --> 01:06:03,279 Fire condition um so I want residents to be advised we 651 01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:08,640 do have an ordinance for um basically yellow and red flags as well um if you 652 01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:14,799 see those we'll have those basically strategically um at like Mary's Market 653 01:06:11,319 --> 01:06:19,160 at the search and rescue um station at the fire station will'll be putting out 654 01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:25,359 flags that correspond with either a yellow flag which would be basically an 655 01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:33,039 evacuation warning for the set portion and and then the red flags which mean a 656 01:06:28,039 --> 01:06:37,319 uh go or an evacuation um order and so those will go out if we get to any red 657 01:06:35,079 --> 01:06:41,079 flags where they are mud and debris flow or whether they're fire weather red 658 01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:45,279 flags still will mean that we will implement the uh red flag parking 659 01:06:43,359 --> 01:06:49,079 restrictions within the appropriate areas as well um and that's the other 660 01:06:47,799 --> 01:06:55,799 thing that we definitely want to make folks uh be aware of when I say this was 661 01:06:52,359 --> 01:07:01,359 is a different Beast um once we we ISS those um even if your cars are parked in 662 01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:07,520 your your garage or your parking spot that you may have for instance in the 663 01:07:03,359 --> 01:07:11,920 canyon um if we have heavy mud debris flows you're you're not getting out 664 01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:17,200 period so just take that into consideration even if you have a parking 665 01:07:13,799 --> 01:07:21,920 spot maybe moving your vehicle out uh to a safer area so if you do have to uh you 666 01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:26,920 know evacuate or even your second car or what have you you have access to it it's 667 01:07:24,839 --> 01:07:31,880 just again a a suggestion when we implement the uh red flag parking 668 01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:36,559 restrictions can we suspend parking citations are we still suspending 669 01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:40,039 parking citations currently that will go in conjunction 670 01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:44,319 with the with the red flag parking restriction again that will be an 671 01:07:41,319 --> 01:07:49,039 advance of of anything so we do evacuation orders or the well I meant if 672 01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:51,720 you're parking your car further some away from your house you're not going to 673 01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:56,480 get a ticket obviously we're not going to ticket I hear I apologize to that 674 01:07:54,240 --> 01:08:00,520 thank you leave that up to my the police chief 675 01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:04,960 told me to thank you for the question but uh mayor protm yes absolutely we 676 01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:09,160 could we'll put that on our social media that we will exempt all parking 677 01:08:06,599 --> 01:08:14,480 restrictions for overnight parking um till next week 678 01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:18,960 Monday and and uh if we go into the go portion we'll have the the police cars 679 01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:23,040 going up and using their loudspeakers to announce like they did during the 680 01:08:20,839 --> 01:08:27,000 fire thank you for the question that's that's correct it's either going to be 681 01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:33,080 PA systems door knocks it just depends on the circumstance and obviously the uh 682 01:08:30,159 --> 01:08:38,279 um the terrain of of of the neighborhood and if residents want to 683 01:08:35,679 --> 01:08:40,440 get sandbags where can they get them at this 684 01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:51,400 point currently the city is providing sandbags at the entrance to the public 685 01:08:47,159 --> 01:08:55,600 yards or Public Works yards and um there you you have to present ID proof of 686 01:08:53,960 --> 01:09:01,080 residence to be there and I think we're doing a limit still or no 25 25 um and 687 01:08:59,679 --> 01:09:04,880 then James you might be able to talk to this I'm not sure if we still have some 688 01:09:02,279 --> 01:09:09,279 at Victory Park available as well but yeah Victory Park is is still a 689 01:09:07,480 --> 01:09:13,560 location it's the same thing they're they're a county entity so sarrians are 690 01:09:11,839 --> 01:09:20,839 they're qualified to go to Victory Park for the same um situation 25 unfilled 691 01:09:17,199 --> 01:09:24,600 bags with an ID uh Public Works has also um 692 01:09:21,679 --> 01:09:30,120 strategically uh staged a few pallets of filled sandbags in some of the highest 693 01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:33,120 priority areas I'm not going to tell you where that is because everybody will 694 01:09:31,679 --> 01:09:36,279 come and get them but the people that see them in front of their house those 695 01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:41,480 are for you and and do we have any estimates on 696 01:09:39,359 --> 01:09:46,560 the number of bags that we've handed out the number of K rails in whatever units 697 01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:51,319 make sense that we've we've done in in preparation for 698 01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:55,480 this um yeah you know director yanz has pretty good idea on that great thank you 699 01:09:53,080 --> 01:10:01,600 director yanz Mr Mayor and members of city council uh 700 01:09:57,800 --> 01:10:05,159 we put out approximately about 52k rails uh the north part of town we have 701 01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:10,480 distributed over 550 um 702 01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:15,960 unfilled um bags we have placed approximately over 1,000 filled sandbags 703 01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:21,560 at key uh areas throughout the north part of 704 01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:24,760 town great thank you so much just a just a followup question regarding parking 705 01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:29,800 and it might be in De brief flow so maybe public works is is important so 706 01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:34,080 sometimes with debris flow our roads are used as diversion channels instead of 707 01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:40,000 we're not going to try to block tons tons and tons of of debris so our roads 708 01:10:37,199 --> 01:10:43,880 are actually sometimes used so if you leave your car on the road and you're 709 01:10:42,040 --> 01:10:47,880 under evacuation warning that car can actually 710 01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:51,159 become uh a potential Hazard to other people if it gets carried down the road 711 01:10:49,480 --> 01:10:55,880 is that is that also true that is an excellent question sir yes the goal here 712 01:10:53,480 --> 01:11:00,719 is to flow the mud like of better ter we want to help the 713 01:10:57,000 --> 01:11:05,120 mud along the street um should a car be left there the mud flow the pressure the 714 01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:08,440 amount of volume that that will be coming down the street there will'll 715 01:11:06,719 --> 01:11:14,719 physically pick up the car and then probably Lodge it somewhere then we have 716 01:11:10,360 --> 01:11:20,800 an issue it'll be it a car Dam okay so not not not only danger to property or 717 01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:24,400 life uh from that one moving car but it could actually create other issues it 718 01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:29,360 could create an issue it it could Lodge itself between with between two other 719 01:11:26,440 --> 01:11:33,120 cars uh a tree Etc then now we have a problem where we're building up pressure 720 01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:38,040 building up pressure leading to a more serious problem sir thank you for that 721 01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:42,199 you're welcome mayor I have one more uh point that I'd like to invite Senior 722 01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:47,719 Management Ellis Carlson back to talk about Athens um pickup 723 01:11:45,440 --> 01:11:52,639 service yeah I was in discussion with Athens today if if you don't know uh 724 01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:58,480 Athens Services the the upper and lower Canyon areas on Wednesdays and Thursdays 725 01:11:56,320 --> 01:12:03,320 and it's not a straight delineated line either it's a little bit all over the 726 01:12:00,239 --> 01:12:09,120 place um they will be picking up trash tomorrow on Wednesday they will not be 727 01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:14,120 picking up trash on Thursday um we just do not want trash cans in the road 728 01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:18,960 whatsoever we don't want the Athens drivers um putting them themselves in an 729 01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:23,920 unsafe position or getting in the way of some other things we might be trying to 730 01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:28,239 do so no Athens collection in the canyon on Thursday 731 01:12:26,239 --> 01:12:33,440 great thank you Madame clerk are there any other 732 01:12:30,639 --> 01:12:37,760 public comments No Sir Mr Mayor all right uh we'll go ahead and close that 733 01:12:35,320 --> 01:12:41,840 portion of the agenda and we'll move on next item on the agenda are 734 01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:46,480 presentations um and so our first presentation is to the CR moderate 735 01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:50,760 search and rescue um so if we could get the search and rescue team to come up 736 01:12:48,120 --> 01:12:54,320 here um and I'm going to come up to the podium up there 737 01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:09,960 I follow right where you said g to 738 01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:23,520 go so before I start and give the the uh certificate of Rec recognition I'd like 739 01:13:19,679 --> 01:13:28,600 to call up uh Bob Spears the head of our EOC and to have him start kick us off 740 01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:33,320 and then I'll read the the pronouncement so for those of you that 741 01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:37,880 remember on January 7th we were supposed to have a wind event and we looked at it 742 01:13:35,480 --> 01:13:41,639 as it was going to be like uh 2011 when we had the big winds come through town 743 01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:48,040 and we were doing really really well with that up until about 618 when the 744 01:13:45,239 --> 01:13:53,480 fire broke out in Eaton Canyon and suddenly uhoh we were in a position we 745 01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:59,120 open with the eocc was open senior staff was there we were managing the emergency 746 01:13:55,679 --> 01:14:02,960 very well uh but then when the uh fire took off all of our fire department was 747 01:14:01,239 --> 01:14:06,000 gone they're they're committed all our Police Department is gone because 748 01:14:04,360 --> 01:14:10,679 they're committed the county was evacuating parts of our city and we were 749 01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:14,639 getting phone calls that we had people with disabilities who would like to 750 01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:20,040 comply with the evacuation order but they could not because their caretaker 751 01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:25,840 had left and I'm looking around the room and for those of you that don't know the 752 01:14:23,080 --> 01:14:29,159 city of Si M has a rather flat or chart so uh there weren't a lot of extra 753 01:14:27,679 --> 01:14:34,159 people and we didn't want to send a dump truck up with a public works guy so the 754 01:14:32,199 --> 01:14:38,600 search and rescue people we have been we've been working with them in in in 755 01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:44,639 our EOC really really well and they've been uh incredibly supportive and they 756 01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:49,040 said we can do this so boom up they go they go out and rescue these people they 757 01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:55,239 took them down to to Pasadena to the convention center where the where they 758 01:14:50,960 --> 01:15:00,120 had the uh the the big shelter did did a great job came back and said you know 759 01:14:58,080 --> 01:15:05,000 what else can we do oh by the way we have the we have the ability to map the 760 01:15:02,120 --> 01:15:08,239 entire fire area for you on kelpo and come back and bring you the maps and I'm 761 01:15:06,880 --> 01:15:13,199 looking like well that's something that takes days and weeks and and usually a 762 01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:16,560 county person boom they're gone again and they come back you know like 12 763 01:15:14,840 --> 01:15:19,080 hours later here's the map here's the stuff we had to go out and buy the 764 01:15:17,639 --> 01:15:24,239 software so we could read what they were doing so these people should arrive on 765 01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:29,840 white horses because they have literally contributed phenomenal expertise and 766 01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:34,199 time and skills to the citizens of sier M and have done a great job in doing 767 01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:39,679 that so I am very very grateful that they are even in town they are they have 768 01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:43,040 an excellent attitude they're wonderful and they're a volunteer organization 769 01:15:41,159 --> 01:15:47,159 which is near and dear to my heart so thank you all very much before you 770 01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:56,440 go is there one more that they did after the fire as a part of the repopulation 771 01:15:53,760 --> 01:16:01,440 plan they doing something with with with checking out the homes and all that they 772 01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:05,760 helped do that they when they prented provided us with caltopo maps we're 773 01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:10,840 looking at where all the houses are that were burned we we had information about 774 01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:13,920 what was going on in our city before the county and everyone else and we were 775 01:16:12,120 --> 01:16:17,440 able to give them to to the planning department here's your map here's 776 01:16:15,320 --> 01:16:21,239 everything that's going on it was it was phenomenal they went around the those 777 01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:24,920 buildings not only did they take pictures of the of the destroyed 778 01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:29,199 buildings but the the areas around around them so and they were all linked 779 01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:35,120 to the map we I mean we we couldn't asked for a a a more professional and 780 01:16:32,679 --> 01:16:40,920 indepth service and they did it for free out of their own Goodwill 781 01:16:38,239 --> 01:16:44,840 so so that couldn't be a better way to to kick this off so here we've got a 782 01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:49,440 certificate of recognition uh for the search and rescue I'm going to go ahead 783 01:16:46,159 --> 01:16:55,639 and read it so uh it says whereas the city the whereas the Sierra MRE search 784 01:16:53,040 --> 01:17:00,600 and rescue team has long been a Pillar of Strength dedication and bravery 785 01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:05,719 providing volunteer life-saving assistance to those in need throughout 786 01:17:02,360 --> 01:17:10,960 our community and Beyond whereas during the devasta devastating eaten fire which 787 01:17:08,679 --> 01:17:16,960 threatened homes livelihoods and the natural beauty of sier Madre smsr 788 01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:21,280 responded with unwavering commitment working tirelessly alongside other First 789 01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:26,639 Responders to ensure the safety of our residents and protect our city whereas 790 01:17:24,520 --> 01:17:30,800 the selfish efforts of the team including providing evacuation 791 01:17:28,239 --> 01:17:34,719 assistance search and rescue operations mapping the disaster and critical 792 01:17:32,440 --> 01:17:39,600 support for emergency Personnel played a vital role in mitigating the impact of 793 01:17:36,679 --> 01:17:44,920 fire on our community whereas despite the destruction caused by the fire the 794 01:17:42,080 --> 01:17:50,719 courage professionalism and expertise of smsr provided hope and reass reassurance 795 01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:56,360 to those affected exemplifying the highest ideals of service and 796 01:17:53,840 --> 01:18:00,960 sacrifice whereas the city of s Madre recognizes and honors the extraordinary 797 01:17:58,679 --> 01:18:04,520 contributions of the S Madre search and rescue team whose actions during the 798 01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:08,920 eaten fire were instrumental in protecting lives and reinforcing 799 01:18:06,320 --> 01:18:13,360 resilience uh of our community now therefore be it resolved that this the 800 01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:16,440 city council of the city of sadre extends its deepest gratitude and 801 01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:20,520 highest Commendation to the sier Madre search 802 01:18:18,840 --> 01:18:25,280 and rescue team for their bravery dedication and invaluable service during 803 01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:30,560 the eaten fire and beyond their heroic actions will always be remembered and 804 01:18:28,400 --> 01:18:34,560 appreciated presented this 11th day of February 805 01:18:31,679 --> 01:18:39,199 2025 by the city by the city council of the city of CR Madre mayor Robert 806 01:18:36,480 --> 01:18:44,960 Parkhurst mayor protm Christine low council member Edward Garcia council 807 01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:44,960 member Jean gos and council member Kelly 808 01:18:45,870 --> 01:18:58,040 [Applause] creeps uh thank you uh Mr Mayor and the 809 01:18:55,719 --> 01:19:02,600 city council um on behalf of the contingent I have here and the other 30 810 01:19:00,480 --> 01:19:06,400 plus members of the team that we have we're more than happy to call this city 811 01:19:04,120 --> 01:19:11,360 home we have done since 1951 and uh provide the service that we 812 01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:15,920 can to the city we know we've got ongoing flooding um which is or not 813 01:19:13,719 --> 01:19:21,040 ongoing but potential flooding and we'll be working with City and uh and the fire 814 01:19:18,360 --> 01:19:25,199 chief there on on plans and with Bob seers as well making sure that we 815 01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:29,480 coordinate any responses we'll sort of follow the same protocols and guidelines 816 01:19:27,239 --> 01:19:33,159 that they've already uh sort of laid out apart from active flooding not putting 817 01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:37,800 people in their we're volunteer organization but we're more than happy 818 01:19:35,239 --> 01:19:42,280 to uh assist the city as we can moving forward and we really appreciate um this 819 01:19:40,360 --> 01:19:46,520 honor and this will go up on our wall in the station thank you very much thank 820 01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:57,520 you Council to come up and join for this everyone over here and fill in here we' 821 01:19:54,440 --> 01:19:57,520 got the logo in the 822 01:20:10,810 --> 01:20:13,929 [Music] 823 01:20:22,199 --> 01:20:26,639 backg I'll do this I'll do this 824 01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:39,880 all right did you get a good 825 01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:39,880 one 826 01:20:48,120 --> 01:20:56,639 good thank you so much guys get ready for the next thanking you again 827 01:21:01,239 --> 01:21:04,080 I think be 828 01:21:14,159 --> 01:21:24,560 EXC so now we have a second uh proclamation to to make tonight uh so 829 01:21:19,960 --> 01:21:30,280 this one is for uh our former city Treasurer Michael Maro Mario uh so let 830 01:21:28,040 --> 01:21:37,520 me read this one out whereas Michael Mario has Faithfully served as the city 831 01:21:32,280 --> 01:21:41,800 treasurer for c for C Madre since 2016 demonstrating unwavering dedication 832 01:21:39,360 --> 01:21:46,159 professionalism and integrity in overseeing the city's Financial 833 01:21:43,080 --> 01:21:49,679 stewardship during his ten tenure Michael Mario has established and 834 01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:53,560 managed the city's investment program creating sustainable funds that 835 01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:58,960 strengthen CR M's financial future and ensured respons fiscal growth he has 836 01:21:56,440 --> 01:22:02,639 been instrumental in the thorough review and approval of the city's warrant 837 01:22:00,360 --> 01:22:07,880 packages ensuring transparency accountability and sound financial decis 838 01:22:05,080 --> 01:22:12,120 decisionmaking for the benefit of all residents whereas his leadership 839 01:22:10,199 --> 01:22:16,520 expertise and commitment to Public Service have have earned him the respect 840 01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:21,280 and gratitude of City officials colleagues and the people of CR Madre 841 01:22:19,280 --> 01:22:25,679 whereas as he concludes his tenure City Treasurer we recognize and honor Michael 842 01:22:23,360 --> 01:22:30,360 amario for his year years of dedicated service and contributions to the city's 843 01:22:27,840 --> 01:22:35,560 Financial Health and his lasting impact on our community now therefore be it 844 01:22:32,480 --> 01:22:40,159 complain be it proclaimed that the city council of the city of sadre expresses 845 01:22:37,960 --> 01:22:44,560 its deepest appreciation to Michael Mario for his exceptional service 846 01:22:42,400 --> 01:22:49,199 Financial expertise and invaluable contributions wishing him continued 847 01:22:46,480 --> 01:22:54,600 success and F fulfillment in all future endeavors presented this 11th day of 848 01:22:51,440 --> 01:22:59,440 February 2025 by the city council of the city of CR Madre mayor Robert parkur 849 01:22:57,199 --> 01:23:05,159 mayor protm Christine low council member Edward Garcia council member Jean gos 850 01:23:01,800 --> 01:23:05,159 and council member Kelly 851 01:23:05,970 --> 01:23:10,669 [Applause] 852 01:23:11,440 --> 01:23:19,760 creeps yeah well thank you the last time I was up here was about 10 years ago and 853 01:23:18,080 --> 01:23:24,800 I'm still smiling from thinking about that we had just won a little league 854 01:23:22,040 --> 01:23:29,199 championship but anyway you know 855 01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:33,280 um when I um wanted to become City Treasurer it was to look into some stuff 856 01:23:31,159 --> 01:23:37,199 I was pissed you know I wasn't happy with some elections I wasn't happy with 857 01:23:34,920 --> 01:23:42,880 what city council was doing in an area and I still AR happy on an election but 858 01:23:40,080 --> 01:23:49,400 what I what what I learned from it was the city staff is just incredible to 859 01:23:46,159 --> 01:23:55,440 think that a a a city could have such dedicated hardworking thinking about the 860 01:23:52,120 --> 01:23:59,400 city first we um you know when we uh when we coach kids in baseball you know 861 01:23:57,560 --> 01:24:04,560 we always say play for the team first and uh I'll tell you the Sierra mandre 862 01:24:01,880 --> 01:24:11,159 has a staff that plays for the city first and very very fortunate so it was 863 01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:16,040 really um a rewarding experience and uh I appreciate the opportunity I think I 864 01:24:12,920 --> 01:24:20,159 worked with probably three city um three city managers at least three Finance 865 01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:25,280 directors but through through all of that none of it none of it changed just 866 01:24:22,920 --> 01:24:30,239 very very um enamored and um just kind of in awe in 867 01:24:27,880 --> 01:24:34,159 their dedication um bugged me a lot to get stuff done I had a few other things 868 01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:39,320 going on but um through it all I appreciate the opportunity and and thank 869 01:24:35,679 --> 01:24:39,320 you yeah thank 870 01:24:50,800 --> 01:24:58,239 you so Mike before Sue Spears put her name in I I I was gonna that's Chris low 871 01:24:56,280 --> 01:25:02,600 I was gonna add your name anyways to the next ballot but Sue Spears took care of 872 01:25:01,320 --> 01:25:08,480 it but I was really writing your name down forcing you into it and and by the 873 01:25:06,280 --> 01:25:12,080 way for for um I I've mentioned this too I'm always happy to help in any way I 874 01:25:09,960 --> 01:25:15,159 can so thank you thank you for your service Michael thank 875 01:25:16,119 --> 01:25:26,560 you all right we are on to uh the consent items so city clerk would you 876 01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:31,600 please read the consent items by title only yes sir thank you uh the city 877 01:25:29,639 --> 01:25:36,239 council is asked to consider four items this evening consent item a is the 878 01:25:33,639 --> 01:25:41,040 consideration of resolution 25-12 that's approving certain demands 879 01:25:39,400 --> 01:25:47,239 and it's staff's recommendation that the city council approved uh resolution 880 01:25:44,280 --> 01:25:52,320 25-12 consent Item B is the city treasurer's report for the quarter 881 01:25:48,840 --> 01:25:56,760 ending December 31 2024 it is recommended that the city council re 882 01:25:54,280 --> 01:26:01,000 receive and file this informative report consent item C is a consideration of 883 01:25:58,920 --> 01:26:05,639 approving amendment number one extension of services for the Professional 884 01:26:03,239 --> 01:26:11,040 Services agreement to Tate Snyder kimsey Inc also known as TSK architecture 885 01:26:08,480 --> 01:26:16,520 services for the library project in the amount not to exceed 886 01:26:12,920 --> 01:26:22,840 $917 51 for the remainder of the fiscal year 2425 and into also fiscal year 887 01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:29,239 2526 and it is staff's recommendation that the city council approve amendment 888 01:26:25,440 --> 01:26:32,960 number one and lastly uh consent item D is the consideration of amendment number 889 01:26:31,400 --> 01:26:38,719 two to the Professional Services agreement with wian engineering for Fire 890 01:26:36,159 --> 01:26:42,679 Marshall fire plan review fire code official and fire inspection services 891 01:26:41,159 --> 01:26:46,480 staff also recommends that the city council approve amendment number two to 892 01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:50,600 the Professional Services agreement with willand engineering Mr Mayor this 893 01:26:48,560 --> 01:26:55,320 concludes my report thank you madam clerk all right do we have any questions 894 01:26:53,239 --> 01:27:00,800 on consent item a a consent Item 895 01:26:58,360 --> 01:27:06,440 B consent item C I will have some questions consent 896 01:27:03,880 --> 01:27:13,320 item C please all right so this is for the extension of uh TSK um and my first 897 01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:18,880 question was um is this extension because we are behind it all or is this 898 01:27:16,199 --> 01:27:23,320 because of the extension we got for the grant itself thank you for the question 899 01:27:21,600 --> 01:27:27,560 it is because we got the extension of the grant itself 900 01:27:25,000 --> 01:27:33,159 uh in the original when this project uh began uh know two and a half years ago 901 01:27:29,440 --> 01:27:37,840 give or take uh the original uh Grant agreement was for January of 902 01:27:35,679 --> 01:27:44,199 2025 and then we were very fortunate to receive the extension into next year uh 903 01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:48,800 that is the reason at the same time after discussing uh the project itself 904 01:27:46,600 --> 01:27:54,520 with TSK they are very much committed they uh are staying on board to see the 905 01:27:52,679 --> 01:28:01,320 part the project through which is the norm for for a project of this 906 01:27:56,679 --> 01:28:01,320 magnitude my second question is is the 907 01:28:01,679 --> 01:28:09,560 91751 is that an amount added to this to this contract we previously had and also 908 01:28:07,239 --> 01:28:14,560 where is that funding coming from no ma'am that's this is the original agreed 909 01:28:12,239 --> 01:28:20,760 uh dollar amount from the original contract agreement and this uh funding 910 01:28:17,679 --> 01:28:25,199 is coming through the uh awarded Grant by by the state of California thank you 911 01:28:22,840 --> 01:28:29,800 you're welcome all right any other questions on item C 912 01:28:28,199 --> 01:28:33,920 item D all right I have some questions on 913 01:28:32,159 --> 01:28:38,880 item D2 okay that would be for the willan 914 01:28:37,040 --> 01:28:42,840 engineering for Fire Marshall fire plan review and fire code official and fire 915 01:28:46,400 --> 01:28:54,520 inspection um so just to clarify the increase from 135,000 to 300,000 is 916 01:28:52,080 --> 01:29:00,719 spanned over a 4year span and when is that contractual date 917 01:28:56,679 --> 01:29:05,880 ending I will refer that to uh thank you the planning 918 01:29:02,800 --> 01:29:12,639 manager I think it's director Lynn now is that right you're not tell 919 01:29:09,800 --> 01:29:19,440 anybody and congratulations thank you mayor and mayor protm um so the contract 920 01:29:16,239 --> 01:29:27,159 will remain the same um duration the four-year expand from um 921 01:29:22,679 --> 01:29:30,320 20203 to 2027 okay great thank you and this might be back for one of you and I 922 01:29:28,840 --> 01:29:35,239 I'm sure you won't have the ability to add this now but one thing I'm curious 923 01:29:32,119 --> 01:29:40,280 about is looking at the amount um that we're paying to wian and how much would 924 01:29:37,199 --> 01:29:45,639 it uh cost us to be able to have our own fire marshall in sier Madre instead of 925 01:29:42,639 --> 01:29:45,639 Contracting it out to 926 01:29:46,159 --> 01:29:54,440 willan Great questions that I do not have exact numbers for at this point um 927 01:29:51,639 --> 01:29:59,600 we are we are assessing that currently and uh and we'll be able to look at it 928 01:29:56,280 --> 01:30:03,760 but I would like to make uh notice that the contractor services that we have for 929 01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:11,600 our Fire Marshall through willan uh is currently for the you know 930 01:30:08,440 --> 01:30:16,119 plan checking doing field inspections such as sprinkler inspections and things 931 01:30:13,360 --> 01:30:22,360 like that um as long as well as as helping with you know code adoption and 932 01:30:18,199 --> 01:30:28,320 and the like the uh proposed um Public Safety or excuse me um 933 01:30:25,800 --> 01:30:33,239 Community risk reduction officer would be a lot more encompassing to include 934 01:30:30,600 --> 01:30:40,760 all of those functions as well as be involved in education to our community 935 01:30:36,480 --> 01:30:47,239 uh be AAS on uh not only to uh some of our Civic clubs but um in education and 936 01:30:45,000 --> 01:30:50,920 but um the fire safe Council that we're looking to start up fireway Community 937 01:30:48,800 --> 01:30:55,840 would be a liaison between them would help partner with them as well and so 938 01:30:53,239 --> 01:31:00,679 it's a a very encompassing job we would even have them looking at doing again 939 01:30:58,080 --> 01:31:05,520 Community risk reduction so we uh most of our calls are ems we can work with 940 01:31:03,080 --> 01:31:09,080 our EMS coordinator on the number one thing which happens to be probably 941 01:31:07,119 --> 01:31:14,520 gravity in this town we have a lot of Falls um can we help educate some of our 942 01:31:11,880 --> 01:31:20,040 senior community on stuff like that so it's it it it is almost apples apples 943 01:31:17,400 --> 01:31:24,920 but it might be a Macintosh to you know Granny Smith type it's I absolutely 944 01:31:22,360 --> 01:31:28,920 agree that so pricing will be a little bit different but we are assessing um 945 01:31:26,800 --> 01:31:33,719 what what we would look at for that job description and what what we would 946 01:31:30,480 --> 01:31:39,639 actually offer somebody thank you any other questions on consent item 947 01:31:36,800 --> 01:31:46,679 D all right uh now I'd like to open this up uh for uh public comment Madam clerk 948 01:31:43,440 --> 01:31:50,920 do we have any um cards for public comment for this item uh not for the 949 01:31:48,440 --> 01:31:57,440 consent calendar Mr Mayor all right seeing no one come forward on it um we 950 01:31:54,320 --> 01:32:03,400 do we have any discussion Mr Mayor yes uh I just I know this is um a city 951 01:32:00,239 --> 01:32:07,280 treasurers report um from TR City Treasurer Sue Spears but there's some 952 01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:12,400 remnants of Michael mar Mario in here that I just I just want to highlight and 953 01:32:09,360 --> 01:32:12,400 thank him for while he's 954 01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:21,639 still so it would there was a time uh very 955 01:32:19,560 --> 01:32:27,119 recently in the uh let's say 2 three years ago when the Leif funds the local 956 01:32:23,960 --> 01:32:31,000 agency investment fund was earning less than a percent um and so we have a lot 957 01:32:29,199 --> 01:32:36,280 of reserves instead of just putting them in a bank account um why not invest them 958 01:32:33,560 --> 01:32:43,440 and earn some uh investment income some interest um then there was a it's 959 01:32:39,360 --> 01:32:49,960 followed by a time when the US Treasury government securities especially on the 960 01:32:46,040 --> 01:32:57,199 shorter term to maturity six months a year two years um were were yielding 4% 961 01:32:55,360 --> 01:33:00,840 sometimes close to 5% and it's my understanding from talking with staff 962 01:32:58,520 --> 01:33:05,800 that it was Treasurer Mario that said hey these are risk-free we can ladder 963 01:33:03,119 --> 01:33:09,560 these bonds and if we hold them maturity we're guaranteed this return rather than 964 01:33:08,040 --> 01:33:15,280 just having it in Lay funds it doesn't need to be that liquid um yeah we're 965 01:33:12,560 --> 01:33:18,400 going to get ten of a percent on the stuff where we need liquid but on this 966 01:33:16,800 --> 01:33:25,119 other stuff that we may not need first six months or two years let's earn four 967 01:33:21,119 --> 01:33:29,960 or 5% on that and so just given that it we earned an investment income we can't 968 01:33:27,639 --> 01:33:34,360 we can't rely on it but we earned hundreds of thousands of dollars if not 969 01:33:31,600 --> 01:33:40,440 a million dollars or more due to that decision so I just want to thank uh City 970 01:33:36,679 --> 01:33:45,159 Treasurer Mario for being Nimble and um thinking little bit outside the box of 971 01:33:42,800 --> 01:33:49,280 what we normally did in changing our investment strategy to make us some 972 01:33:47,320 --> 01:33:54,239 money while he could so that's that's my comment on that so thank you City 973 01:33:52,040 --> 01:33:57,239 Treasurer thank you so much I really appreciate you bringing that up I was 974 01:33:55,520 --> 01:34:01,600 going to make a mention uh of his service there and you did it far better 975 01:33:59,080 --> 01:34:08,600 than I could so thank you so much um any other discussion on the the consent 976 01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:15,199 items great uh so then I will look for a motion to approve the consent items move 977 01:34:11,040 --> 01:34:20,880 to approve second all in favor I any opposed all right we will move on now to 978 01:34:18,719 --> 01:34:26,480 our first public hearing and so I'd like to call up Ems Captain uh busos to 979 01:34:24,119 --> 01:34:29,719 present the schedule adjustments for the sier Madre fire 980 01:34:31,159 --> 01:34:38,280 department good evening mayor mayor protm City Council Members thank you 981 01:34:35,440 --> 01:34:43,360 foring Captain pastillo could thank you you read my mind I forget I'm short wait 982 01:34:41,560 --> 01:34:46,560 it's also it's for the people at home we want to make sure that they can hear 983 01:34:44,840 --> 01:34:50,560 thank you U thank you for allowing me the time to speak with you today um I'm 984 01:34:48,119 --> 01:34:55,639 here on behalf of the fire department to request a few fee adjustments to the 985 01:34:52,560 --> 01:34:55,639 city's fee schedule 986 01:34:55,840 --> 01:35:04,199 so uh we're looking for three additions um our epcr fee A dispatch fee and a 987 01:35:01,480 --> 01:35:08,440 first responder fee um and then some adjustments to our current paramedic 988 01:35:06,440 --> 01:35:14,639 subscription program so I will begin with our epcr 989 01:35:11,520 --> 01:35:18,880 fee um we were on paper until 2018 when everybody converted to this digital 990 01:35:16,520 --> 01:35:24,800 format um so what you're seeing on the left side of the screen um is our actual 991 01:35:21,280 --> 01:35:28,600 epcr electronic patient care report um and it kind of serves two purposes uh 992 01:35:26,639 --> 01:35:34,199 it's going to document all of the data that we collect on a call so incident 993 01:35:30,800 --> 01:35:39,040 times the resources that were there um any treatments that we gave um any type 994 01:35:36,280 --> 01:35:43,639 of intervention um and um any medical data um for the patient um the other 995 01:35:41,920 --> 01:35:50,159 side of that it is it allows us for seamless transfer um between uh agencies 996 01:35:48,080 --> 01:35:53,880 so in times of automatic Aid um everything that one report has started 997 01:35:52,080 --> 01:35:58,880 can be transferred to another uh Department it also allows for the 998 01:35:56,119 --> 01:36:02,920 transfer of that data to be um moved to the hospital when we do transport our 999 01:36:00,520 --> 01:36:08,360 patients and additionally um the department of health services um is able 1000 01:36:05,119 --> 01:36:13,199 to um see that data for their qaqi purposes so it just ensures continuity 1001 01:36:10,840 --> 01:36:19,719 of care um between all the agencies um So currently uh we are using 1002 01:36:17,080 --> 01:36:24,119 digital EMS um this is the provider for um nearly everybody in the county um 1003 01:36:22,520 --> 01:36:30,400 they do charge us for .95 per e epcr completed and we 1004 01:36:28,119 --> 01:36:36,400 completed epcr for any patient assessment whether it's transported or 1005 01:36:33,080 --> 01:36:42,159 not um so the city currently subsidizes these costs for this epr epcr use um so 1006 01:36:40,320 --> 01:36:45,800 below there you'll see the rate comparison for the agencies in LA county 1007 01:36:44,320 --> 01:36:49,199 that are currently charging this fee and their Associated fees on the 1008 01:36:50,320 --> 01:36:58,080 right um so this is um a slide just as an example of what the recovery cost 1009 01:36:56,000 --> 01:37:04,239 could look like um had that fee been implemented the last um four years um so 1010 01:37:02,520 --> 01:37:08,239 you'll see the year in reference the call volume for that year um and had the 1011 01:37:06,920 --> 01:37:13,119 fee been applied that would be the recovery that we got um we're seeing 1012 01:37:10,600 --> 01:37:18,760 about a 10% increase in EMS calls every year so taking that into account for 1013 01:37:14,880 --> 01:37:23,840 2025 we're likely to reach uh 1,77 calls um which would equate to about 5,300 um 1014 01:37:21,520 --> 01:37:30,320 in Revenue um and just uh side note um I did not 1015 01:37:26,719 --> 01:37:36,960 include 2021 in this um in the increase fees um in fees because uh we had a 1016 01:37:33,199 --> 01:37:43,000 significantly low call volume due to covid um so this is um our epcr fee um 1017 01:37:40,440 --> 01:37:48,119 we're looking to just place the cost of service for $495 um into the fee 1018 01:37:46,159 --> 01:37:51,719 schedule uh if you have any questions on this one if not I'll move on to our 1019 01:37:49,840 --> 01:37:56,920 dispatch fee so I had a quick question so uh on 1020 01:37:55,599 --> 01:38:03,080 the previous slide um so are these the fees that the 1021 01:38:01,320 --> 01:38:08,440 cities are getting charged because we're getting a 1022 01:38:04,159 --> 01:38:12,760 $4.95 fee so so so why are the the fees different on here is are Kia getting a 1023 01:38:10,119 --> 01:38:16,440 much better deal with them um and is Downey like what are they what are they 1024 01:38:14,320 --> 01:38:19,000 including in their fee because it's quite a bit more thank you for that 1025 01:38:17,679 --> 01:38:23,719 question everybody's getting charged $4.95 um so you will see some 1026 01:38:21,159 --> 01:38:27,480 departments charging for profit on there um and then others that maybe just have 1027 01:38:25,400 --> 01:38:31,560 not updated their fees on their fee schedule so I'm going to turn to City 1028 01:38:30,000 --> 01:38:37,520 attorney I thought you couldn't charge for profit on 1029 01:38:34,520 --> 01:38:41,480 these yeah I know I don't they they're they're probably incorporating other 1030 01:38:38,880 --> 01:38:46,360 costs in there okay yeah I don't know what those other costs would be but um I 1031 01:38:44,360 --> 01:38:51,800 I I don't think they could I don't think they could turn a profit on this one got 1032 01:38:48,440 --> 01:38:55,599 it okay just for clarification and uh definitely not speaking for any of our 1033 01:38:53,480 --> 01:39:02,040 neighboring agencies but it could have been some sort of assessment on uh staff 1034 01:38:58,119 --> 01:39:06,199 time that they increase those fees uh I don't know if we would technically use 1035 01:39:03,560 --> 01:39:10,159 the term of for-profit but I'm sure it was assessment again on staff time and 1036 01:39:08,280 --> 01:39:14,040 and they adjusted as they saw accordingly just as we recently have 1037 01:39:12,199 --> 01:39:20,639 done Citywide through our our fee schedule go thank you 1038 01:39:17,119 --> 01:39:24,400 okay okay moving on um this is going to be our dispatch fee so we're currently 1039 01:39:22,480 --> 01:39:28,040 dispatched through Doo Communications um they've been 1040 01:39:25,920 --> 01:39:32,520 dispatching our fire and EMS calls um since 1999 they're going to Service 13 1041 01:39:30,400 --> 01:39:35,560 fire fire departments in LA county um that's going to be all of our 1042 01:39:33,239 --> 01:39:39,800 surrounding agencies um so anytime somebody in s MRE calls 911 that that 1043 01:39:38,280 --> 01:39:44,159 phone call is going to go to our PD Dispatch um if they deem that a fire 1044 01:39:41,840 --> 01:39:49,320 related call it will go to Verdugo um who will collect the data um from the 1045 01:39:45,920 --> 01:39:55,639 caller and uh dispatch the appropriate resources they are currently charging 1046 01:39:52,320 --> 01:40:02,679 $848 per dispatch really quick is that on on top of another contractual price 1047 01:39:58,440 --> 01:40:06,239 that we pay no so it's 8418 per call um and so the fees that I've seen that 1048 01:40:04,040 --> 01:40:10,760 we've paid out have matched that I don't know outside of that if there's another 1049 01:40:08,159 --> 01:40:17,280 no I mean do we pay for their services and then this is also what they charge 1050 01:40:13,040 --> 01:40:23,599 per call from what I it okay great questions um actually this this is what 1051 01:40:20,000 --> 01:40:30,440 we will see they base that off of uh the previous year's call volume they will uh 1052 01:40:27,599 --> 01:40:35,880 get together their their board or their guiding um entity and they will assess 1053 01:40:34,040 --> 01:40:42,360 new fees that is the current fee for this year it hasn't changed from last 1054 01:40:38,080 --> 01:40:47,000 year however they they will revise the uh agreements that we all have with them 1055 01:40:44,880 --> 01:40:52,080 and that just basically comes out to what the average call is so to answer 1056 01:40:50,040 --> 01:40:57,400 your question the fees that we pay them that's Incorporated in there 1057 01:40:54,040 --> 01:41:01,960 uh so for instance if we ran 1,500 calls last year it' be multiplied times to 1058 01:40:59,679 --> 01:41:07,119 8418 and that would be the the fee we pay them so it's it's basically just a 1059 01:41:04,080 --> 01:41:13,000 pass through uh fee that we're we're looking to uh to try and Implement does 1060 01:41:10,040 --> 01:41:16,520 it matter if it comes to where you which entity is responding or where the Call's 1061 01:41:14,960 --> 01:41:21,760 coming from so let's say you're responding to Arcadia we don't get that 1062 01:41:19,000 --> 01:41:27,960 charg necessarily because even if we respond to that call we would as far as 1063 01:41:24,800 --> 01:41:33,239 the dispatch fee uh for instance the EMS calls we would get we would get that fee 1064 01:41:30,639 --> 01:41:38,840 as well as the epcr fees if we respond to another another city we will again 1065 01:41:36,520 --> 01:41:42,520 that's it's more of a pass through uh charge and anything else we're just 1066 01:41:40,800 --> 01:41:46,199 trying to recoup what we're being in charge for the service thank 1067 01:41:48,440 --> 01:41:54,440 you okay so this is the rate comparison for Ellie County for the Departments 1068 01:41:52,560 --> 01:41:57,080 that are currently charging a dispatch fee as 1069 01:41:57,719 --> 01:42:04,920 well um and again we're just um asking for that cost of service at 1070 01:42:02,280 --> 01:42:10,400 8418 to be added Kevin B BOS in in both the staff 1071 01:42:08,000 --> 01:42:15,040 report and your presentation the dollar amount is 8414 I know it's only 4 cents 1072 01:42:12,960 --> 01:42:21,440 but um I just noticed that there was a little discrepancy there so are we we're 1073 01:42:17,520 --> 01:42:25,840 going to ask for 80 8418 yes yeah um so same slide with um all the same rules 1074 01:42:23,199 --> 01:42:29,360 applied um this would be just an example of what that would look like had the fee 1075 01:42:27,199 --> 01:42:35,000 been in place um the last four years um we're seeing approximately 8% 1076 01:42:32,360 --> 01:42:39,920 increase in calls um year-over-year so 25 would likely reach 1077 01:42:36,880 --> 01:42:44,679 1,666 calls um equating to about a little over 1078 01:42:41,599 --> 01:42:49,920 140,000 so a question on that so does that mean that there are some calls that 1079 01:42:47,199 --> 01:42:56,440 we have that don't use epcr that's correct uh if we do not do an assess on 1080 01:42:53,520 --> 01:43:01,159 the patient we will not you um get do an epcr but this is for a dispatch fee um 1081 01:42:59,400 --> 01:43:04,760 so we are getting the dispatch fee on a recall that makes perfect sense 1082 01:43:05,960 --> 01:43:15,000 yeah okay um last fee would be the first responder fee so um as you may know in 1083 01:43:12,320 --> 01:43:20,360 2024 we converted our paramedic um assessment engine to a medic engine um 1084 01:43:18,080 --> 01:43:25,639 so now we provide the city with two full ALS units uh 247 1085 01:43:23,880 --> 01:43:29,000 um so basically that engine looks exactly like the ra without the 1086 01:43:27,639 --> 01:43:33,080 capability to transport so in order to do this uh we 1087 01:43:31,679 --> 01:43:36,280 had a representative from Laie County Department of Health Services come out 1088 01:43:34,840 --> 01:43:42,360 they did an audit of our engine and deemed it uh the rig fit for service um 1089 01:43:38,960 --> 01:43:47,080 there are only a handful if at most um of medic engines um in LA 1090 01:43:44,920 --> 01:43:53,840 county um so it's a little bit big big deal for us um and uh doing that 1091 01:43:51,679 --> 01:44:02,199 transition it did increas some costs for us um and those costs are going to be uh 1092 01:43:57,480 --> 01:44:06,679 initial costs and uh for the to uh the IND indicator emblems to recognize the 1093 01:44:04,239 --> 01:44:13,119 engine as a paramedic engine um some addition of um equipment that are U 1094 01:44:10,040 --> 01:44:17,000 multi- or not single use like backboards um air splints um things like that and 1095 01:44:15,520 --> 01:44:21,880 then also those reoccurring costs that are going to happen on all our calls um 1096 01:44:19,440 --> 01:44:26,560 that will Encompass Medical Supplies medications IVs vages things like that 1097 01:44:24,719 --> 01:44:30,679 um so we'll be looking at those costs continually 1098 01:44:28,280 --> 01:44:35,280 continuously um and so just to give you an example um if engine 41 was to 1099 01:44:33,760 --> 01:44:41,480 respond outside of the city say to Arcadia for an ankle fracture um the 1100 01:44:39,159 --> 01:44:46,239 engine currently would respond um they would start their 1101 01:44:42,800 --> 01:44:53,960 epcr um they would treat that patient um give medication start an IV splinting um 1102 01:44:50,159 --> 01:44:58,679 and then uh once the ra arcad is arrived Arcadia would take over that patient 1103 01:44:55,840 --> 01:45:04,280 continue care to the hospital and and um they would be um have the billing rights 1104 01:45:01,080 --> 01:45:09,760 to that call so we would not see any recoup cost for that um and to the other 1105 01:45:08,040 --> 01:45:13,480 side of that same thing happens if it's within our city and our engine responds 1106 01:45:11,800 --> 01:45:17,840 and we have an outside agency coming in to transport billing rights are with 1107 01:45:15,480 --> 01:45:23,280 that transporting agency so we would see um no recoup on those costs 1108 01:45:20,400 --> 01:45:28,000 either um so we are looking to Implement a fee of 1109 01:45:25,000 --> 01:45:32,920 $189 um and this is going to be charged only when the engine responds alone 1110 01:45:30,280 --> 01:45:38,320 without our ra so if it was with an outside agency's ra it would be charged 1111 01:45:35,719 --> 01:45:42,639 um the 189 was a previous rate that we had um in the fee schedule that was 1112 01:45:40,040 --> 01:45:47,320 removed in 2020 um when we increased some of the assessment fees for ra 41 um 1113 01:45:45,639 --> 01:45:51,719 but now being that is a medic engine we would like to reimplement that fee um 1114 01:45:50,000 --> 01:45:56,639 and these are the three agencies that are currently um charging a first 1115 01:45:53,840 --> 01:45:56,639 responder fee as 1116 01:45:59,239 --> 01:46:08,159 well um and again just an example um of what uh recoup cost would look like um 1117 01:46:05,960 --> 01:46:14,159 for the previous years uh really no Trend in Engel engine only calls so I 1118 01:46:11,199 --> 01:46:18,599 just took the average of uh 2022 through 2024 um and that gave us 1119 01:46:19,920 --> 01:46:27,560 42477 can I ask you a question when when we charge people this is this covered by 1120 01:46:25,880 --> 01:46:30,239 their insurance is this that extra amount that's not covered by their 1121 01:46:28,760 --> 01:46:35,639 insurance it is these are all going to be pass through fees so likely not 1122 01:46:33,159 --> 01:46:39,920 covered through Insurance depending on the insurance as 1123 01:46:40,639 --> 01:46:48,119 well um so just to tie everything together um all of those fees um added 1124 01:46:46,440 --> 01:46:53,360 together uh you're looking at that that middle column for cost recovery 1125 01:46:49,960 --> 01:46:59,320 historically s modre collects about 79% um for through Billing Services um so 1126 01:46:56,280 --> 01:47:05,679 that uh 79% is applied and you'll see the the uh outcome on the right so um 1127 01:47:03,199 --> 01:47:11,560 based off of those 2025 assessments with that 79% collection fee um rate applied 1128 01:47:09,280 --> 01:47:17,599 we're looking at nearly 150,000 um in cost recovery that added 1129 01:47:14,880 --> 01:47:20,639 to our the 600 that 600,000 that we currently colnect collect through 1130 01:47:19,159 --> 01:47:25,960 medical AIDS we're looking for cost recovery close to 3/4 of a million 1131 01:47:23,800 --> 01:47:29,760 that's insurance and everything put together 1132 01:47:27,080 --> 01:47:34,960 yes um and so we're looking to implement Implement these fees um beginning March 1133 01:47:32,159 --> 01:47:34,960 1st 1134 01:47:37,520 --> 01:47:47,360 2025 okay and lastly is our paramedic subscription 1135 01:47:42,440 --> 01:47:52,400 program um so our current program um is uh not utilized as much as we would like 1136 01:47:49,199 --> 01:47:56,920 it to be um a cost of an ambulance especially ALS ambulance is at minimum 1137 01:47:54,719 --> 01:48:01,520 $3,200 and that's without any additional fees depending on the call and the 1138 01:47:58,760 --> 01:48:04,760 treatment um and so that's typically not completely covered by insurance so 1139 01:48:03,360 --> 01:48:09,280 that's going to result in outof Pocket fees uh for the 1140 01:48:06,400 --> 01:48:13,880 residents um so members of the program are assured that those costs are covered 1141 01:48:11,560 --> 01:48:19,199 by the city um and they will not see any out-of pocket expense So currently we 1142 01:48:16,360 --> 01:48:24,159 have about 553 subscribers that's about a 5% usage rate so it's fairly low um so 1143 01:48:22,560 --> 01:48:29,159 we've created some various plans in order to help bring down costs for 1144 01:48:26,080 --> 01:48:29,159 residents and encourage 1145 01:48:29,639 --> 01:48:37,840 usage and these are the plans we'd like to implement um the single plan would 1146 01:48:34,800 --> 01:48:41,480 still remain at $89 and that is for the year um the couple plan for a two- 1147 01:48:40,000 --> 01:48:48,639 member household it's going to just be a 20% reduction so $142 for two people or 1148 01:48:45,119 --> 01:48:53,679 71 a person a family plan for a thre member household um so it's going to be 1149 01:48:51,000 --> 01:48:59,239 $158 or $56 a person each additional member 18 and we would cap that at five 1150 01:48:56,400 --> 01:49:03,480 people a business plan so 10 employees would be $100 and any additional 10 10 1151 01:49:01,880 --> 01:49:07,920 employees would be another $100 and a loow income plan for an 1152 01:49:05,840 --> 01:49:11,639 entire household um for qualifying residents would be 45 for the entire 1153 01:49:13,480 --> 01:49:21,000 household are there other cities that have subscription programs and is our 1154 01:49:18,920 --> 01:49:23,400 enrollment rate similar our prices similar can tell us a little about kind 1155 01:49:22,560 --> 01:49:27,679 of as you did a benchmark on this the there 1156 01:49:25,520 --> 01:49:32,920 are many agencies that do have a subscription program um they kind of 1157 01:49:30,199 --> 01:49:40,159 vary from 45 um to the highest I've seen was uh 180 um so we're kind of in the 1158 01:49:36,320 --> 01:49:44,159 middle um but uh not too many offer the business and family plans I've only seen 1159 01:49:41,920 --> 01:49:50,960 about two other departments that do that other questions I have a few go for 1160 01:49:47,400 --> 01:49:56,119 it one to all right thank you so um I think you kind of answered it within 1161 01:49:52,199 --> 01:50:00,040 your Pres presentation but um so these fees extra fees won't only be aren't 1162 01:49:58,760 --> 01:50:06,719 only assessed when there's Transportation so if there's a call and 1163 01:50:02,560 --> 01:50:11,040 there's a a PCR put together and um goes through dispatch somebody be charged 1164 01:50:08,440 --> 01:50:17,719 roughly $90 and they're not transported so the epcr Fe is 1165 01:50:13,199 --> 01:50:26,239 $4.95 um so that would be a charge um the um the dispatch fee 8418 um that 1166 01:50:23,080 --> 01:50:30,080 would be a a charge as well um and then the assessment fee definitely because we 1167 01:50:28,679 --> 01:50:33,960 do even though we don't transport patients we do treat patients um and 1168 01:50:32,840 --> 01:50:38,679 sometimes we treat them and leave them at home um so we're still utilizing 1169 01:50:36,280 --> 01:50:42,679 those supplies okay and so I'm just like scen running scenarios through my mind 1170 01:50:40,400 --> 01:50:46,840 uh let's say kid gets hurt at the park there no parents around you come and I'm 1171 01:50:45,360 --> 01:50:52,239 assuming you can provide service to a kid gets hurt and then how do you kind 1172 01:50:49,960 --> 01:50:56,119 of follow up on that so everything is documented it in our epcr and that goes 1173 01:50:54,119 --> 01:51:01,440 to our billing company um it's outside billing company Whitman and so they will 1174 01:50:58,040 --> 01:51:06,960 handle the charges for us but let's say little Garcia's at the park and mommy 1175 01:51:03,599 --> 01:51:11,599 and daddy Garcia after at work um and how do you how do you follow up when you 1176 01:51:10,040 --> 01:51:15,239 you know it's like an eight-year-old child and you don't have their 1177 01:51:13,360 --> 01:51:19,159 information or is that not do we kind of let those kind of slide or um we we 1178 01:51:17,520 --> 01:51:24,320 gather all the information we can so it's um we we can put in that patient's 1179 01:51:22,079 --> 01:51:28,560 information and then based off address and other personal information we can 1180 01:51:26,040 --> 01:51:36,159 get those bills out okay okay thank you um and then I guess that was one and two 1181 01:51:31,719 --> 01:51:40,040 um the other question is so since we're thankfully in automatic Aid let's say 1182 01:51:38,079 --> 01:51:45,400 you are a member of the subscription program but um the city of Arcadia 1183 01:51:42,800 --> 01:51:48,480 transports you do they honor our subscription program and do we honor 1184 01:51:47,119 --> 01:51:53,440 theirs and how how does that work is there reciprocity there yes the city 1185 01:51:50,719 --> 01:51:58,440 will honor any transports made in s audre from an outside agency and outside 1186 01:51:56,199 --> 01:52:01,320 agencies honor our program as well that I'm not sure 1187 01:52:03,360 --> 01:52:13,040 about for example Arcadia and does honor ours and and the reciprocity is there 1188 01:52:09,199 --> 01:52:17,159 for for us as well for them um Pasadena would be the same so those are pretty 1189 01:52:14,599 --> 01:52:24,440 much the two occasionally we will have somebody from San Marino or Hamra uh but 1190 01:52:21,000 --> 01:52:29,560 would if we have subscription members then we will work with that agency to to 1191 01:52:26,599 --> 01:52:34,840 see if we can have them right basically have a right off for it so but uh I most 1192 01:52:32,679 --> 01:52:39,119 of ours are going to be Arcadia and we do we do have that partnership with them 1193 01:52:37,440 --> 01:52:42,119 thank you think that's all I have wonderful staff report by the way I 1194 01:52:40,280 --> 01:52:47,119 don't know if you put it together um very easy to read very comprehensive 1195 01:52:43,480 --> 01:52:52,239 thank you thank you C member c um I I just wanted to get some commentary from 1196 01:52:49,000 --> 01:52:57,520 staff on U the overall budgetary impact of this seems like we're at raising fees 1197 01:52:56,199 --> 01:53:04,599 by about 149,000 in a calendar year budgetary 1198 01:53:00,800 --> 01:53:08,280 year um and I'm I'm not seeing that we're 1199 01:53:06,719 --> 01:53:11,560 getting anything for that other than we're just reimbursing ourselves for 1200 01:53:10,159 --> 01:53:16,159 things that we're already spending money on right so that's going to that's a net 1201 01:53:14,679 --> 01:53:20,760 plus of $149,000 how are we going to actually 1202 01:53:18,199 --> 01:53:25,480 use that those funds is that going to be addressing other issues we have in 1203 01:53:23,199 --> 01:53:32,480 the fire department I hope that will have to go as part of our 1204 01:53:28,280 --> 01:53:39,040 budget um cycle and uh and taken up with our finance director and city manager 1205 01:53:35,719 --> 01:53:44,239 um it it it's basically it is definitely there should we have the need uh to 1206 01:53:41,320 --> 01:53:50,280 increase the budget or basically our budget is subsidizing all these costs as 1207 01:53:46,320 --> 01:53:55,599 it is so at best my uh expectation would be that it would just recoup that cost 1208 01:53:53,119 --> 01:54:00,040 um now should we have a need for additional funding within the department 1209 01:53:58,320 --> 01:54:03,920 uh it is another resource that can be looked at to help offset those costs but 1210 01:54:02,679 --> 01:54:08,400 again that's going to be part of our our budget cycle on budget talks uh every 1211 01:54:06,159 --> 01:54:12,679 fiscal year but it does go on the general fund right if I may add the 1212 01:54:10,079 --> 01:54:17,679 funds do go into the general fund uh during our our budget process we 1213 01:54:14,840 --> 01:54:21,760 determine what the needs and priorities are of the organization um and during 1214 01:54:20,040 --> 01:54:24,719 those times we'll be looking at each department incl ining the fire 1215 01:54:22,840 --> 01:54:29,400 department uh to see if additional resources are needed um currently we're 1216 01:54:27,159 --> 01:54:35,000 running a projected deficit so this is going to help Shore up that deficit but 1217 01:54:31,679 --> 01:54:39,800 will also be U used in consideration for uh for the needs of the general fund 1218 01:54:37,280 --> 01:54:39,800 okay thank 1219 01:54:40,239 --> 01:54:46,480 you I had one last question and I've asked staff this way back when I just 1220 01:54:44,800 --> 01:54:51,480 well way back it's only two years ago when I started um on Council is when the 1221 01:54:49,400 --> 01:54:56,000 original subscription plan was written I believe it was 20 8 maybe prior council 1222 01:54:54,360 --> 01:55:01,639 members will might remember this and I believe maybe also other prior 1223 01:54:59,480 --> 01:55:09,880 firefighters who are here might remember this um it was written in that if you 1224 01:55:04,119 --> 01:55:13,679 are a retired Cadre firefighter you were waved the fee for the subscription fee 1225 01:55:12,119 --> 01:55:18,960 and the premise was because you volunteered your time full-time up to up 1226 01:55:16,480 --> 01:55:23,079 to 15 years or more that this subscription fee would be waved now 1227 01:55:21,000 --> 01:55:27,760 we've never found the report we've had lots of obviously we weren't 1228 01:55:25,000 --> 01:55:32,639 digital back then um and I was really hoping that maybe we could include that 1229 01:55:29,639 --> 01:55:38,400 in this um and I I don't know if that's are we allowed to do we're allowed to 1230 01:55:34,800 --> 01:55:44,320 we're not allowed to add fees without but we can wave fees 1231 01:55:41,320 --> 01:55:48,199 correct um so so that that's correct generally if if you're going to impose a 1232 01:55:46,760 --> 01:55:52,000 fee there has to be some kind of study or some some kind of information to to 1233 01:55:50,320 --> 01:55:56,599 support that fee so we can justify that work adjust a recovering costs and we're 1234 01:55:54,400 --> 01:56:04,800 not returning a profit um you can exclude groups from a 1235 01:56:00,719 --> 01:56:10,960 fe but there has to be uh a rational basis for it uh that's based on 1236 01:56:08,000 --> 01:56:16,280 uh some some kind of some public rationale so it can't be because we like 1237 01:56:14,040 --> 01:56:19,679 these individuals no yes right it it has to be because they provided some service 1238 01:56:18,079 --> 01:56:22,960 to just for example provided some service to the city is the city's 1239 01:56:21,440 --> 01:56:28,760 benefit because they will contribute volunteer hours in the 1240 01:56:25,199 --> 01:56:32,199 future so it's it's possible I just thought that you know 1241 01:56:30,639 --> 01:56:37,000 and it was written into the pre the original documentation if you find it 1242 01:56:34,480 --> 01:56:40,760 says that it is waved for S Madre fire department retirees and that's 15 years 1243 01:56:38,840 --> 01:56:45,040 or more not people who resigned earlier than that so I would like that to be 1244 01:56:43,280 --> 01:56:51,560 added because the people that served before n 2019 and it served for 15 years 1245 01:56:48,159 --> 01:56:54,480 or more served for up to 40 hours a week for free for the the 1246 01:56:54,560 --> 01:57:03,560 city does that do we need to make any changes to the we're still in questions 1247 01:57:01,840 --> 01:57:08,159 here right yeah but I'm kind of wondering if that we can do that so my 1248 01:57:05,000 --> 01:57:08,159 question is can we do 1249 01:57:08,880 --> 01:57:17,639 that yeah it I I think it's it's probably possible 1250 01:57:15,119 --> 01:57:23,840 but my my because I feel like I need to study this uh it'd be my recommendation 1251 01:57:20,840 --> 01:57:29,280 to move forward with as written and then and then and then amended at some future 1252 01:57:25,719 --> 01:57:32,480 date right uh to the extent you you said you've you've searched for this document 1253 01:57:30,639 --> 01:57:36,199 and search well I've asked staff to search and I search and I couldn't find 1254 01:57:33,960 --> 01:57:41,199 it but that was before we really digitized um all of our agendas and I'd 1255 01:57:39,119 --> 01:57:45,440 have to go through all the reports and I was trying to go through all of 2008 and 1256 01:57:43,360 --> 01:57:49,560 all of 2007's trying to figure out when we started the subscription plan versus 1257 01:57:47,119 --> 01:57:54,679 when we started Paramedic Services right because if we're using that document as 1258 01:57:51,320 --> 01:57:59,960 a justification and we can't find it it it it's troubling me okay especially if 1259 01:57:58,000 --> 01:58:06,280 we haven't done a thorough search yet and I don't know that we have okay great 1260 01:58:04,119 --> 01:58:12,840 all right any other questions great then uh thank you very 1261 01:58:09,159 --> 01:58:15,159 much I'd now like to open this up for um public 1262 01:58:15,280 --> 01:58:22,119 comment do we have any public comment cards on this item U Mr Mayor we have no 1263 01:58:20,040 --> 01:58:28,639 submissions for testimony on the public public hearing great then I'll go ahead 1264 01:58:25,320 --> 01:58:28,639 and bring it back for Council 1265 01:58:29,239 --> 01:58:37,320 discussion thoughts comments yeah I'd like that we now have 1266 01:58:34,239 --> 01:58:43,880 a family plan um that's going to help quite a few people want to get involved 1267 01:58:40,000 --> 01:58:47,520 in this and um and use this service so I that's something that's encouraging I 1268 01:58:46,360 --> 01:58:52,599 trying to wrap my head around I probably should ask the question um why I'm sure 1269 01:58:50,679 --> 01:58:56,719 there was a study of business aren't as frequent but why can why do businesses 1270 01:58:54,719 --> 01:59:02,560 get $100 and up to 10 people and families are more expensive and for 1271 01:58:58,679 --> 01:59:08,119 three people but um I proa it's probably because businesses don't their employees 1272 01:59:05,360 --> 01:59:13,679 aren't as frequently having medical medical issues um as a family would 1273 01:59:11,400 --> 01:59:18,920 right so think I'm answer my question but I like I like that we have a more of 1274 01:59:15,599 --> 01:59:23,119 a menu now um which opens it opens it up for more people taking advantage of the 1275 01:59:20,639 --> 01:59:28,719 subscription program i al always love that we're um we're recruit recouping 1276 01:59:25,599 --> 01:59:32,960 some of our our hard costs um we're not charging extra for the service we're 1277 01:59:31,199 --> 01:59:37,679 just trying to recruit pass through costs that we're being charged ourselves 1278 01:59:34,599 --> 01:59:44,239 so I think I like the way it's formatted great other discussion 1279 01:59:41,800 --> 01:59:50,560 comments i' be I'd feel better about this if I knew that we could do better 1280 01:59:47,199 --> 01:59:54,920 than 5% you know participation in the subscription plan I think when people 1281 01:59:53,440 --> 01:59:59,719 when work gets out we might see an uptick by a few percentage points but 1282 01:59:57,599 --> 02:00:05,000 this is a very substantial cost increase for people who find that their insurance 1283 02:00:02,040 --> 02:00:10,599 is not covering them you it's almost 300 bucks and for some people that's that's 1284 02:00:07,360 --> 02:00:14,880 a that's a GameChanger so you know I I get the fact that we need budget help 1285 02:00:13,400 --> 02:00:21,239 there's no question about it so I'm going to support it for that 1286 02:00:16,440 --> 02:00:26,639 reason but um gosh I do agree with you council member Garcia that the family 1287 02:00:23,239 --> 02:00:33,840 plan is very enticing so I'm hoping that maybe if we Market this we can 1288 02:00:29,960 --> 02:00:37,800 get 15% 20% something like that people who might reasonably you know have a 1289 02:00:36,119 --> 02:00:43,079 probability of needing something like this so that maybe they get caught and 1290 02:00:40,560 --> 02:00:49,239 protected it's you know going over these costs the total cost for transports gosh 1291 02:00:46,320 --> 02:00:54,000 four grand right yeah in our household my decision is do I just cover me and 1292 02:00:52,599 --> 02:00:57,159 the kids don't need it my wife doesn't need it she's younger than me you know 1293 02:00:55,520 --> 02:01:01,400 so you make those but when there's a family plan to your point I think we 1294 02:00:59,840 --> 02:01:05,599 we'll get a higher subscription hopefully get a higher subscription uh 1295 02:01:03,040 --> 02:01:10,560 rate sorry coun uh no it's okay or mayor Pro um I was gonna 1296 02:01:07,960 --> 02:01:14,400 inquire when you go to pay for this do you have to come to City Hall and pay 1297 02:01:12,239 --> 02:01:18,880 for it or is there an online ability to sign up and pay because that would seem 1298 02:01:16,480 --> 02:01:23,639 to me to really increase subscription when you don't have to come to City Hall 1299 02:01:21,280 --> 02:01:27,520 write a check which I don't have just L boom and credit card yeah just online 1300 02:01:25,719 --> 02:01:31,400 and auto payment for every year is also very Auto renewal which I don't think 1301 02:01:29,440 --> 02:01:38,159 there is please um we are working on on future um 1302 02:01:35,719 --> 02:01:41,880 I think with the new asella program we will be able to work with the planning 1303 02:01:39,440 --> 02:01:46,800 department to help Implement uh some of our fees within that the paramedical 1304 02:01:44,199 --> 02:01:51,280 subscription program being one of them uh currently it is a check that will 1305 02:01:49,320 --> 02:01:53,920 come in and we process that at the counter 1306 02:01:52,480 --> 02:02:00,040 and it is uh I I I do believe for more signups if 1307 02:01:58,119 --> 02:02:06,079 we get this automated it would be a lot better um and council member Garcia's I 1308 02:02:03,560 --> 02:02:10,360 definitely a recurring charge that maybe you can opt out of if you if you choose 1309 02:02:08,239 --> 02:02:15,199 to uh would just make it easier for for folks to never have to worry about it uh 1310 02:02:12,840 --> 02:02:20,360 you're you're covered until you you opt out but we are looking at that um and 1311 02:02:18,040 --> 02:02:23,560 and we finally have the the platforms and the tools I think to be able to 1312 02:02:21,520 --> 02:02:27,599 implement that I think maybe the problem with um if we have fee increases in the 1313 02:02:25,800 --> 02:02:32,159 future we would need to notify everybody that's part of a re reoccurring charge 1314 02:02:30,719 --> 02:02:38,639 that there's a fee increase that might be a little bit problematic um but I I 1315 02:02:35,599 --> 02:02:43,800 really it's I don't for my water bill I love that I don't have 1316 02:02:40,760 --> 02:02:47,639 to pay it every I it just gets paid right the business license I don't have 1317 02:02:45,560 --> 02:02:52,159 that so I but it's now online right yeah so but still um I I would prefer it was 1318 02:02:50,199 --> 02:02:55,599 just autopay so I could just pay that one one of if I may as well one of the 1319 02:02:53,960 --> 02:03:00,079 other uh options that we're looking at as well is um hopefully we will be 1320 02:02:58,480 --> 02:03:03,159 upgrading the city's website and we'll be able to get it on there as well where 1321 02:03:01,639 --> 02:03:08,840 you can just go through the city's website and sign up uh enter enter some 1322 02:03:05,960 --> 02:03:13,199 uh form of payment uh and through that as well so again we're looking at all 1323 02:03:10,599 --> 02:03:18,400 options to make this easier uh for our residents and while we've got you here 1324 02:03:16,079 --> 02:03:23,239 just to to clarify we've gone through three different fees that are on here so 1325 02:03:20,880 --> 02:03:28,760 we've got the EPC CR fee we've got the first responder fee we've got one uh one 1326 02:03:26,239 --> 02:03:32,760 other fee in here so if you sign up for the subscription plan all of those fees 1327 02:03:30,719 --> 02:03:38,199 are covered plus the the transportation is that correct or are the other fees uh 1328 02:03:35,639 --> 02:03:42,880 would they still be there there's going to be some variables 1329 02:03:40,400 --> 02:03:47,480 to that uh for instance if we transport you you and you're part and you are part 1330 02:03:45,119 --> 02:03:51,079 of the paramedic subscription program whatever the insurance we will still do 1331 02:03:49,679 --> 02:03:55,599 our third- party billing and insurance will pay what they pay uh but all other 1332 02:03:53,199 --> 02:04:01,679 private uh payment will be waved um now again it it depends on your 1333 02:04:00,199 --> 02:04:05,119 your your provider your insurance provider and what they're going to cover 1334 02:04:02,920 --> 02:04:09,599 we all have different policies and plans so it that's why I say there there's 1335 02:04:06,800 --> 02:04:13,639 some variables to that however we will not be going after anybody for 1336 02:04:11,800 --> 02:04:18,639 additional private payment if you're signed up for this nor do we anyways uh 1337 02:04:16,199 --> 02:04:24,119 but the insurance covers pretty much all of it so so the the these epcr fees and 1338 02:04:22,239 --> 02:04:27,920 all those they would be waved if they ended up being a a fee afterwards after 1339 02:04:26,520 --> 02:04:32,920 transport if they were part of the subscription plan correct so so for 1340 02:04:30,199 --> 02:04:37,119 example if it's a $4,000 uh transport fee including 1341 02:04:34,599 --> 02:04:41,599 Services um and your insurance company covered 2,000 of it you're part of the 1342 02:04:39,079 --> 02:04:46,880 paramedic subscription program um you're not going to be charged the $2,000 out 1343 02:04:43,679 --> 02:04:50,440 of pocket hopefully for your $89 for even a single person you're you're 1344 02:04:48,760 --> 02:04:56,239 covered yeah okay 1345 02:04:52,599 --> 02:05:03,199 okay any any further discussion all right well then I will 1346 02:04:59,280 --> 02:05:08,639 entertain a motion for this item I move that we approve the fee schedule 1347 02:05:05,760 --> 02:05:14,239 adjustments for the sad fire department second all right all in favor 1348 02:05:12,559 --> 02:05:19,280 I I any oppos all right motion carries we will 1349 02:05:16,920 --> 02:05:25,679 move now from public hearing uh to so I think the order if I 1350 02:05:23,159 --> 02:05:32,400 remember correctly is ordinance 1487 is that right the the city manager 1351 02:05:28,800 --> 02:05:36,719 or were we going to do the um the new item that I've since it's not written in 1352 02:05:34,719 --> 02:05:42,719 front of me I I missed it as we were doing that right yes it's a discussion 1353 02:05:39,520 --> 02:05:48,320 of the new item and the new item being um a dis a dis continuing a discussion 1354 02:05:46,360 --> 02:05:55,719 of the Proclamation of the local emergency in light of uh the Imp pending 1355 02:05:52,599 --> 02:06:00,360 rain all right and you were we we we did that one first right right all right and 1356 02:05:57,840 --> 02:06:09,719 so uh city manager Ros so will you be giving the local emergency so so mayor 1357 02:06:05,079 --> 02:06:16,159 on um on January 9th we had a special meeting uh to declare a fire 1358 02:06:12,840 --> 02:06:21,679 emergency uh and we are now concentrating our efforts on a debris 1359 02:06:18,719 --> 02:06:28,000 and mud flow emergency uh so we'd like to amend uh the the decision that was 1360 02:06:25,440 --> 02:06:32,599 made on January 9th to include mud flow and debris um much of what we uh were 1361 02:06:30,960 --> 02:06:38,040 going to discuss in the presentation was covered by staff um in in public comment 1362 02:06:35,960 --> 02:06:43,559 uh however Senior Management analyst Carlson uh is available to give an 1363 02:06:40,599 --> 02:06:50,520 update again if needed um if not we can we can move to to questions or and and 1364 02:06:46,880 --> 02:06:54,960 just one short update um the city council proclaim the local emergency 1365 02:06:53,239 --> 02:06:59,559 regarding the fire under government code section 8630 that same code section 1366 02:06:57,679 --> 02:07:04,520 requires the council to revisit their Proclamation every 60 days at a 1367 02:07:02,440 --> 02:07:09,079 minimum uh and at some point they have to end that local emergency the city 1368 02:07:07,400 --> 02:07:13,079 managers requesting that we continue the proclamation of local emergency and the 1369 02:07:11,239 --> 02:07:17,040 benefit of doing so is it provides the city manager with the authority as 1370 02:07:15,559 --> 02:07:24,480 Emergency Services director which we're going to talk about again on the agenda 1371 02:07:19,320 --> 02:07:31,119 later on um to adopt executive orders as necessary so if we continue this uh 1372 02:07:28,599 --> 02:07:36,360 local emergency and you make findings that the impending rain might lead to 1373 02:07:34,000 --> 02:07:40,159 debris flows that can lead to an emergency in the 1374 02:07:37,800 --> 02:07:45,040 city uh then the city manager will have the authority to adopt any kinds of 1375 02:07:42,960 --> 02:07:49,520 executive orders that are essentially just regulations that can be imposed uh 1376 02:07:47,920 --> 02:07:54,760 at his Direction without having to come to council to get approval first 1377 02:07:52,599 --> 02:07:59,800 examples would be uh parking restrictions or evacuation orders or 1378 02:07:57,400 --> 02:08:04,360 those these things may run counter to the ordinances on the books but he can 1379 02:08:01,800 --> 02:08:09,040 do so as Emergency Services director during the emergency period got it is 1380 02:08:07,760 --> 02:08:13,280 there anything else with the presentation for that item I I don't 1381 02:08:11,960 --> 02:08:17,440 believe so I believe we covered everything during okay during our our 1382 02:08:15,599 --> 02:08:21,559 public comment then what I'd like to do is just move into to council questions 1383 02:08:20,000 --> 02:08:27,320 so I imagine there's some question questions anybody have any questions are 1384 02:08:24,599 --> 02:08:34,920 we initiating our emergency um EOC our EOC is going to open tomorrow at 1385 02:08:30,520 --> 02:08:37,840 6:00 am at level two level two and I guess never mind I'll ask the question 1386 02:08:36,159 --> 02:08:43,280 when we get down to that other item about emergency director or director of 1387 02:08:40,880 --> 02:08:50,520 emergencies uh I had a question so if we're if we are um um including mud and 1388 02:08:48,280 --> 02:08:54,639 debris flow it doesn't reset the 60-day clock right so 60 day clock is still 1389 02:08:52,199 --> 02:08:58,920 tied to to January to January 9th or January 7th it would it would it would 1390 02:08:57,079 --> 02:09:04,559 extend it um I think what I'll do because we agendize this on an emergency 1391 02:09:01,719 --> 02:09:11,599 basis that if this if the city council decides to extend this local emergency 1392 02:09:07,239 --> 02:09:15,559 and include uh in light of the impending rainstorm then I'm going to come before 1393 02:09:13,480 --> 02:09:20,040 the city council at the next meeting and place this on consent with the added 1394 02:09:17,599 --> 02:09:24,320 language so you'll see a revised local emergency declaration and you'll just 1395 02:09:22,239 --> 02:09:31,559 adopt that one on consent with the language that you approve today so this 1396 02:09:26,960 --> 02:09:36,599 would take us then through um April 11th so that that takes us a good portion 1397 02:09:34,559 --> 02:09:43,400 through the end of the rainy season because rainy season city manager Ros so 1398 02:09:39,719 --> 02:09:47,159 is it April 30th is that typically the typically yes yeah and the city council 1399 02:09:45,559 --> 02:09:51,840 can always end the local emergency at any time right right but we'd have to do 1400 02:09:49,239 --> 02:09:58,239 it by by by the end of uh of April correct okay 60 1401 02:09:55,440 --> 02:10:06,480 days so as I as I recall during that emergency meeting we did we did discuss 1402 02:10:01,760 --> 02:10:12,040 um the the whole event as being Wind Fire and we were preemptively thinking 1403 02:10:10,040 --> 02:10:16,119 about de debris flow and I I know I asked the question do this Proclamation 1404 02:10:15,000 --> 02:10:19,960 I think it was probably for FEMA purposes of the time but does this 1405 02:10:17,800 --> 02:10:24,639 Proclamation Encompass the debris flow as well so do we even need to change 1406 02:10:22,040 --> 02:10:29,440 language or I I still think we're okay with it as written this is kind of about 1407 02:10:26,840 --> 02:10:35,159 suspender approach because the the resolution itself doesn't reference the 1408 02:10:31,679 --> 02:10:39,119 brief flow someone would have to go back uh transcribe the meeting and reference 1409 02:10:37,880 --> 02:10:42,760 the specific portion where there's a discussion of debris flow I think it's 1410 02:10:40,920 --> 02:10:45,880 probably a safer approach to include actual language regarding debris flow in 1411 02:10:44,480 --> 02:10:51,760 the resolution itself that's going to be adopted by Council okay thank you does 1412 02:10:48,559 --> 02:10:57,520 this change the incident overall to include not just the fire but as well as 1413 02:10:54,880 --> 02:11:02,360 the if we say we have some mud debris flow or some type of action that we do 1414 02:11:00,119 --> 02:11:07,400 have or any emergencies we do have related to the rain does that attach it 1415 02:11:04,400 --> 02:11:13,639 as one incident then because we're under the same emergency local emergency order 1416 02:11:10,440 --> 02:11:16,880 uh so the answer is yes for purposes of our local emergency but that's not 1417 02:11:15,480 --> 02:11:20,960 necessarily the case for purposes of FEMA reimbursement for example these are 1418 02:11:18,440 --> 02:11:24,520 two separate Concepts okay thank you thank you 1419 02:11:22,920 --> 02:11:27,960 other questions all right then I'd like to 1420 02:11:26,360 --> 02:11:32,920 open this up for public comment do we have any comment cards on this 1421 02:11:30,040 --> 02:11:37,599 item uh not on this instrument I wouldn't imagine since it was an 1422 02:11:34,040 --> 02:11:42,719 emergency ad is there anyone from the audience seeing none bring it back to 1423 02:11:40,079 --> 02:11:48,679 the council for discussion any further discussion on this 1424 02:11:44,760 --> 02:11:52,199 item seeing none um I believe this is an item that needs to be voted on is that 1425 02:11:50,119 --> 02:11:57,639 correct all right I will entertain a motion to uh to what should we what is 1426 02:11:56,040 --> 02:12:01,800 this one officially going to be called the the extending local emergency yeah I 1427 02:12:00,400 --> 02:12:05,320 I think it's going to be if I can suggest the motion it's it's 1428 02:12:05,679 --> 02:12:13,119 continuing uh continuing the proclamation of a local emergency caused 1429 02:12:11,800 --> 02:12:18,760 by the eaten fire 1430 02:12:15,320 --> 02:12:22,719 including uh potential debris flows okay and I think that referen 1431 02:12:21,239 --> 02:12:27,040 should be sufficient and I will come back to the city C if if you approve it 1432 02:12:24,639 --> 02:12:30,920 with that uh I will come back to the city council at the next meeting and I 1433 02:12:28,719 --> 02:12:35,280 will have a revised resolution that the city council can can vote on at that 1434 02:12:33,280 --> 02:12:40,400 time I move that we continue the proclamation of local 1435 02:12:37,480 --> 02:12:48,239 emergency uh caused by the eaten fire and any subsequent potential debris flow 1436 02:12:43,880 --> 02:12:53,199 second all favor I I any opposed all right all right so now move 1437 02:12:51,440 --> 02:12:59,159 on to ordinance 1478 uh city manager director of 1438 02:12:55,480 --> 02:13:05,040 emergency services and um then we have mayor if i' if I may I'd like to 1439 02:13:01,159 --> 02:13:13,199 introduce uh Deputy City attorney Julia homeria to present great welcome thank 1440 02:13:10,880 --> 02:13:18,520 you uh so this ordinance would be designating the city manager as the 1441 02:13:15,880 --> 02:13:24,159 Director of Emergency Services which previously the city of Sierra Madre had 1442 02:13:21,639 --> 02:13:28,639 an emergency services and disaster commission which was formerly codified 1443 02:13:26,639 --> 02:13:34,800 in Municipal Code chapter 2.32 under which the city manager was 1444 02:13:31,559 --> 02:13:40,480 designated as the Director of Emergency Services however in 2020 an ordinance 1445 02:13:37,840 --> 02:13:46,040 was adopted to reduce the number of Commissioners for active commissions and 1446 02:13:43,159 --> 02:13:50,679 to remove remove code references to inactive commissions that ordinance 1447 02:13:48,880 --> 02:13:55,719 dissolved the emergency services in disaster commission and inadvertently 1448 02:13:53,679 --> 02:14:00,040 repealed the designation of the city manager as the Director of Emergency 1449 02:14:00,079 --> 02:14:07,400 Services the government code requires that for a local emergency to be 1450 02:14:04,800 --> 02:14:12,840 proclaimed either the city council must meet at an emergency special or regular 1451 02:14:10,000 --> 02:14:17,639 meeting to proclaim the emergency or Council May authorize a staff member to 1452 02:14:15,119 --> 02:14:23,559 proclaim a local emergency and then must ratify that within 7 days 1453 02:14:21,159 --> 02:14:28,040 the eaten fire demonstrated why city council uh should designate the city 1454 02:14:25,719 --> 02:14:33,639 manager as director of emergency services and reinstate his authority to 1455 02:14:30,960 --> 02:14:38,679 proclaim a local emergency this would allow for a more timely response to such 1456 02:14:35,800 --> 02:14:43,440 an emergency as it does not require city council to meet for a proclamation and 1457 02:14:41,159 --> 02:14:49,639 thus mobilizes resource for Aid and relief in the city's time of 1458 02:14:46,520 --> 02:14:53,880 need this ordinance does not undermine the authority of council since the 1459 02:14:51,639 --> 02:14:59,400 council will still need to ratify the proclamation um within 7 1460 02:14:56,480 --> 02:15:04,440 days and um this is common practice within many cities including our 1461 02:15:01,599 --> 02:15:10,119 neighboring cities of Pasadena Arcadia and San Marino whose Municipal codes all 1462 02:15:07,920 --> 02:15:14,480 designate the city manager as director of Emergency 1463 02:15:11,920 --> 02:15:19,239 Services lastly this ordinance also makes um an administrative amendment to 1464 02:15:16,920 --> 02:15:23,760 clarify that the city manager has the authority to appoint and remove move the 1465 02:15:21,320 --> 02:15:26,760 city clerk now that the city clerk is no longer an elective 1466 02:15:27,480 --> 02:15:34,960 office great is that the end of your report yeah any questions great 1467 02:15:31,719 --> 02:15:42,800 questions I have one please uh so in section three um so uh 1468 02:15:38,280 --> 02:15:47,559 2.8.1 140 um subsection B designation of alternate uh it states the the director 1469 02:15:44,800 --> 02:15:51,119 of Emergency Services shall designate the order of succession to that office 1470 02:15:49,320 --> 02:15:54,480 to take effect in the event the direct is unavailable to attend meetings and 1471 02:15:52,559 --> 02:15:58,280 otherwise perform his or her duties during an emergency such orders of 1472 02:15:56,520 --> 02:16:03,920 succession shall be approved by the city council so I'm just trying to 1473 02:16:01,520 --> 02:16:09,159 contemplate how do we have that alternate designated already without 1474 02:16:07,280 --> 02:16:13,639 coming to the council to then approve that so in case the city manager does 1475 02:16:11,239 --> 02:16:19,840 become incapacitated during an emergency do I I would I would prefer to 1476 02:16:16,360 --> 02:16:23,239 have that um order of of secession already in place rather than than having 1477 02:16:21,880 --> 02:16:27,719 to come to the council and figure out who that is under an emergency meeting 1478 02:16:25,480 --> 02:16:31,319 is that is that does the language contemplate that or does that need to be 1479 02:16:29,199 --> 02:16:36,359 changed if if that's the will of the council the intention would be that the 1480 02:16:34,080 --> 02:16:40,439 alternate would be designated in advance as your um mentioning but I would have 1481 02:16:38,319 --> 02:16:44,200 to defer to the City attorney for whether the language would need to be 1482 02:16:42,160 --> 02:16:48,240 amended yeah thank you council member you you can write that language in if 1483 02:16:46,760 --> 02:16:54,399 you'd like and designate in this ordinance who that who the successor to 1484 02:16:50,439 --> 02:16:57,599 the city manager would be you can or you can strike this language and have the 1485 02:16:55,880 --> 02:17:01,880 city manager determine for himself who his successor is going to be or you can 1486 02:16:59,840 --> 02:17:05,240 leave it as is and adopt a resolution at sometime in the future so you don't have 1487 02:17:03,319 --> 02:17:09,240 to mess with the ordinance and you adopt a resolution identifying the chain of 1488 02:17:10,559 --> 02:17:18,240 succession and I'll wait till discussion to talk about that a little bit yeah 1489 02:17:14,240 --> 02:17:24,519 yeah okay other questions so I I I had a question um so 1490 02:17:22,359 --> 02:17:29,040 you said and and it says in the report that um it also makes the administrative 1491 02:17:26,960 --> 02:17:33,000 amendment to clarify that the city manager has the authority to appoint and 1492 02:17:30,479 --> 02:17:41,559 remove the city clerk I don't see that in the um the strike through oh there it 1493 02:17:37,639 --> 02:17:46,840 is never mind I now see it in item C uh there so it it takes so so that's the 1494 02:17:44,040 --> 02:17:51,679 change it takes out the city clerk at in item C of uh 28.70 1495 02:17:52,880 --> 02:18:00,840 okay I correct that's it okay great thank you um any other 1496 02:17:58,880 --> 02:18:06,639 questions all right I'd like to open this up to public comment city clerk did 1497 02:18:03,960 --> 02:18:11,880 we receive any comment cards for uh public comment on this agenda item we 1498 02:18:09,120 --> 02:18:16,639 have not Mr Mayor great then I'll bring it back to council for a 1499 02:18:14,639 --> 02:18:21,840 discussion would you like to lead it off you you had had a thought council member 1500 02:18:19,080 --> 02:18:25,240 Garcia yeah and I so I think I think what the City attorney um 1501 02:18:23,719 --> 02:18:29,679 recommended it's probably prudent so we can get this if we're going to pass this 1502 02:18:27,040 --> 02:18:36,679 thing we can get it passed because EOC is going to be open tomorrow 1503 02:18:32,160 --> 02:18:41,120 um my concern is you know if we put like the language has to be careful because 1504 02:18:38,920 --> 02:18:44,240 you know sometimes we might have a deputy city city manager sometimes we 1505 02:18:42,880 --> 02:18:48,160 might not sometimes we might have an assistant city manager sometimes we 1506 02:18:46,040 --> 02:18:54,399 might not so maybe it's to attorney geagan's recommendation that the that 1507 02:18:51,000 --> 02:18:58,240 the city the city manager appoints that individual might be The Prudent way but 1508 02:18:56,719 --> 02:19:02,880 um I think we just need to be careful about organizationally who we who we 1509 02:19:01,200 --> 02:19:07,080 designate as the successor if we're going to be the one designating the 1510 02:19:04,679 --> 02:19:11,639 successor as per item be here I I would tend to agree with you 1511 02:19:09,559 --> 02:19:15,120 that when as you were talking about that as you as you teed it up that was where 1512 02:19:13,000 --> 02:19:21,439 my mind was going was rather than having that that a detailed succession plan or 1513 02:19:17,359 --> 02:19:29,319 even a you know even one position things change um I I would we we have 1514 02:19:25,719 --> 02:19:34,559 um our city managers demonstrated that that um he is very capable of making the 1515 02:19:32,280 --> 02:19:38,559 decisions empowering people within it um we've seen that with at least the the 1516 02:19:36,359 --> 02:19:42,439 last city manager as well I think it's incumbent upon us to make sure that the 1517 02:19:40,639 --> 02:19:47,240 city manager that that that we have or the council has in the future has that 1518 02:19:44,200 --> 02:19:52,800 same set of of skills and abilities so I I I think empowering the team is is uh 1519 02:19:50,880 --> 02:19:59,000 the way I would lean on this I agree since our job is to 1520 02:19:55,880 --> 02:20:04,880 basically assure that we have a city manager that is um effective at what our 1521 02:20:03,359 --> 02:20:09,040 people want and what our needs and obviously our city managers displayed 1522 02:20:06,600 --> 02:20:14,160 this and he knows his team best whereas we don't since we're not in charge of 1523 02:20:11,200 --> 02:20:19,920 his staff yeah so I agree that leaving it to him is is under his purview sure 1524 02:20:18,479 --> 02:20:23,960 with you it shouldn't be actually should not be NE necessarily our position 1525 02:20:22,439 --> 02:20:28,720 because we're not we're not in charge of Staff we're not interacting agreed so do 1526 02:20:27,280 --> 02:20:33,920 we need to make a change to the resolution at all yes this mayor mayor 1527 02:20:31,160 --> 02:20:37,240 so this language and uh the deputy City attorney can correct me I believe this 1528 02:20:35,439 --> 02:20:43,280 language was in the original version that was struck correct so so this is a 1529 02:20:41,560 --> 02:20:48,120 this is a carryover from the prior language so we reincluded it and if the 1530 02:20:45,319 --> 02:20:52,240 city council wants to authorize the city manager to choose his own successor then 1531 02:20:50,680 --> 02:21:01,760 then I think you just strike the last sentence of us of paragraph B of section 1532 02:20:59,040 --> 02:21:05,800 2.08 one40 and i' I'd like to have a a 1533 02:21:04,120 --> 02:21:11,319 greater understanding of the alternate you know let's let's 1534 02:21:07,920 --> 02:21:16,319 say city manager is with the fire chief at instant command and something happens 1535 02:21:14,040 --> 02:21:20,680 in the city that needs to be decided upon 1536 02:21:17,600 --> 02:21:23,920 immediately um does that does that individual have the power at that point 1537 02:21:22,240 --> 02:21:29,920 in time or is it does the city manager have to be incapacitated or out of town 1538 02:21:26,600 --> 02:21:35,720 or something else for that to occur so I I I can give you a couple of 1539 02:21:33,520 --> 02:21:39,520 examples one of the one of the benefits that we have in s Moder and I can't 1540 02:21:37,439 --> 02:21:46,200 speak for any other city but we do run tabletop exercises um and we have 1541 02:21:43,200 --> 02:21:51,040 scenarios um and we do have backups and so in my case um assistant city manager 1542 02:21:49,280 --> 02:21:55,040 Hernandez would step in um and then we look at the type of 1543 02:21:52,399 --> 02:21:58,800 emergency um if it's a fire related emergency and and the fire chief is 1544 02:21:57,200 --> 02:22:04,720 available he may be the most appropriate person to step in if it's a police 1545 02:22:01,000 --> 02:22:08,319 emergency um then uh police chief bentos may be the most appropriate person to 1546 02:22:06,319 --> 02:22:13,000 step in uh but I think it's through that process of understanding the emergencies 1547 02:22:10,520 --> 02:22:17,720 and having uh those tabletop exercises to to have the back fill for uh when and 1548 02:22:15,880 --> 02:22:22,359 if I need to step out um there are occasions where I need to step out to uh 1549 02:22:20,120 --> 02:22:26,760 deal with uh our legislative body and and I have to leave somebody in command 1550 02:22:24,280 --> 02:22:30,800 um typically assistant city manager um Hernandez will step in if it's a 24-hour 1551 02:22:29,319 --> 02:22:33,600 emergency where we trade off and he serves at one time and I serve at a 1552 02:22:32,240 --> 02:22:37,560 different time those are some of the situations um and examples yeah because 1553 02:22:35,880 --> 02:22:40,399 to me like item five represent the city and all dealings with public or private 1554 02:22:39,040 --> 02:22:45,319 agencies or matters pertaining to emergencies like if you are not 1555 02:22:42,240 --> 02:22:49,200 available and it's it's imminent that something needs to be decided upon right 1556 02:22:47,080 --> 02:22:52,359 then I I feel comfortable for our citizens that somebody's there that can 1557 02:22:51,040 --> 02:22:57,880 make that decision that doesn't have to be something that we're 1558 02:22:54,040 --> 02:22:57,880 designating okay 1559 02:22:57,920 --> 02:23:09,479 good so um if we were then to strike that last sentence uh of 1560 02:23:06,040 --> 02:23:19,160 uh what is it item uh B thank you yes of Item B uh uh 1561 02:23:14,720 --> 02:23:25,040 section three section three uh 140 so so we can do that now and adopt 1562 02:23:22,640 --> 02:23:28,520 the ordinance is that correct uh correct you can would we need to 1563 02:23:29,960 --> 02:23:35,880 add at the city manager discretion or some kind of the director of Emergency 1564 02:23:34,160 --> 02:23:39,279 Services shall designate the order of succession to that office to take effect 1565 02:23:37,840 --> 02:23:43,160 in the event the director is unavailable to attend meetings and otherwise perform 1566 02:23:41,160 --> 02:23:46,760 his or her duties during an emergency okay and then we strike such 1567 02:23:45,120 --> 02:23:49,120 orders of sucession shall be approved by the city 1568 02:23:49,200 --> 02:23:56,240 council all right all right are we ready for a motion on this 1569 02:23:59,960 --> 02:24:10,960 item I move to approve ordinance 1478 as amended do I have a second second all in 1570 02:24:08,080 --> 02:24:19,960 favor I I any opposed all right great so now um this 1571 02:24:15,960 --> 02:24:24,359 takes us to our um next discussion item sign placement in public Parkways uh 1572 02:24:23,040 --> 02:24:29,000 Parkways and I believe that we have assistant planner hang to come and 1573 02:24:27,680 --> 02:24:31,319 present that is that correct that is correct 1574 02:24:38,279 --> 02:24:45,960 mayor thank you mayor Parkers um good evening mayor and members of the city 1575 02:24:43,760 --> 02:24:51,240 council tonight we have for discussion sign placement and public Parkways 1576 02:24:49,080 --> 02:24:56,120 currently in our municipal code in title 10 a Parkway is defined to mean that 1577 02:24:54,439 --> 02:25:02,000 portion of a street other than a traveled roadway this is also commonly 1578 02:24:59,000 --> 02:25:05,880 known as the portion between a sidewalk and the public rideway often with a form 1579 02:25:04,880 --> 02:25:10,640 of landscaping the code currently does not 1580 02:25:08,359 --> 02:25:14,920 contain a specific rule regarding sign placements in 1581 02:25:12,080 --> 02:25:21,680 Parkways however it does prohibit all signs on public property or rideway 1582 02:25:18,359 --> 02:25:27,439 except for garage and yard sale signs since a public or since a Parkway is 1583 02:25:24,560 --> 02:25:30,960 public property staff interprets the prohibition to apply to signs placed in 1584 02:25:29,640 --> 02:25:37,960 Parkways as well previously in the last December 1585 02:25:35,479 --> 02:25:41,040 December meeting mayor proem loo direct the staff to include the discussion of 1586 02:25:39,800 --> 02:25:46,760 signs in a Parkway it is recognized that the 1587 02:25:43,200 --> 02:25:51,120 restrictions of signs um sign placement in Parkways May create challenges during 1588 02:25:49,319 --> 02:25:56,399 election seasons when individuals seek to display signs 1589 02:25:53,880 --> 02:26:03,000 to support candidates or ballot measures or even signs to support local sport 1590 02:25:59,399 --> 02:26:08,000 leagues or clubs however the relevant provisions of the city's sign ordinance 1591 02:26:05,160 --> 02:26:12,000 have not been amended since 2003 and staff recommends the city council to 1592 02:26:10,040 --> 02:26:16,680 discuss and provide Direction with the consideration that an amendment would 1593 02:26:14,279 --> 02:26:22,640 either one prohibit the placement of signs on public property without a 1594 02:26:19,600 --> 02:26:29,840 Content based exception or two permit signs in Parkways subject to content 1595 02:26:25,640 --> 02:26:36,479 neutral regulations such as size color location um duration and 1596 02:26:33,279 --> 02:26:42,000 Etc and factors to consider when drafting an amendment would include 1597 02:26:38,960 --> 02:26:46,399 enhanced Community engagement um some enforcement 1598 02:26:44,359 --> 02:26:51,680 challenges that may include sign placements in pedestrian 1599 02:26:48,120 --> 02:26:56,800 Pathways um utility or hydrant access traffic visibility and unauthorized 1600 02:26:54,359 --> 02:27:02,359 signage and lastly a balanced approach to Public Safety this may include the 1601 02:26:59,600 --> 02:27:07,720 proposed amendments that include clear guidelines for the 1602 02:27:03,800 --> 02:27:14,200 number um for the number location and duration of signs um to ensure Public 1603 02:27:10,720 --> 02:27:19,479 Safety and minimize potential hazards and to also note that the allowance of 1604 02:27:16,319 --> 02:27:26,000 signs in a public public ride of way may introduce an added risk and liability 1605 02:27:22,439 --> 02:27:30,960 for the city's risk management thank you thank you for that 1606 02:27:28,800 --> 02:27:36,359 presentation questions um I appreciate the 1607 02:27:33,319 --> 02:27:41,920 introduction from public around um ordinance 1608 02:27:38,680 --> 02:27:46,240 1220 uh 12207 duty of abuting land owners to 1609 02:27:44,600 --> 02:27:50,880 cultivate trees and public property which I I would would like in the report 1610 02:27:48,600 --> 02:27:55,439 because that was the validation for for why I brought this forward and I know 1611 02:27:53,520 --> 02:28:04,560 you guys have a print out by the way of this ordinance um because the validation 1612 02:27:59,200 --> 02:28:11,160 was that if it is it's public land but Property Owners I'm sorry residents are 1613 02:28:07,680 --> 02:28:16,840 given the duty to maintain the grass the trees weeds Vines 1614 02:28:13,359 --> 02:28:22,520 debris and the water for IT Supplies the gardening for it and all such we we're 1615 02:28:19,240 --> 02:28:27,520 we're designating to maintain that my question is one you know why I guess why 1616 02:28:25,920 --> 02:28:31,560 was that ever designated is that normal for all cities is it just us my second 1617 02:28:30,000 --> 02:28:35,920 question would be what about homes that don't have a sidewalk how do we know 1618 02:28:33,000 --> 02:28:40,520 what is property of public land versus like how do we know their their their 1619 02:28:37,920 --> 02:28:46,720 offset like where is the public land versus the personal residence property 1620 02:28:43,680 --> 02:28:53,920 line before you answer I just I have a process question so are our agenda item 1621 02:28:51,080 --> 02:28:59,240 is on sign placement in public Parkways and I understand the overlap of this is 1622 02:28:56,439 --> 02:29:02,840 there anything like is this because this is a discussion item 1623 02:29:01,399 --> 02:29:07,160 and we're coming it back are we okay with noticing on all of this is that do 1624 02:29:05,200 --> 02:29:12,479 we need to do we need to agendize this separately or or can is this something 1625 02:29:09,840 --> 02:29:16,279 we can is this a a rabbit Trail we can go down yeah I I I think for discussion 1626 02:29:14,479 --> 02:29:21,200 purposes it's it's fine because there's no ordinance before the city council for 1627 02:29:18,319 --> 02:29:25,279 consideration if the city council IL directs us to we can consider an 1628 02:29:23,600 --> 02:29:29,960 ordinance Amendment for the for that cited ordinance section as well got it 1629 02:29:27,359 --> 02:29:35,160 okay I apologize that Rabbit Trail is is not the right way to is this a another 1630 02:29:32,720 --> 02:29:41,760 another facet of this so please go ahead and uh answer so I guess question number 1631 02:29:38,000 --> 02:29:47,760 one would be is it normal to require residents to maintain the are we calling 1632 02:29:45,399 --> 02:29:53,560 it I think I I've heard two definitions are we calling it the um Parkway Parkway 1633 02:29:51,160 --> 02:29:57,120 or the there was another term used earlier RightWay 1634 02:29:55,319 --> 02:30:00,240 rideway is there a difference between a rideway and a I guess there's three 1635 02:29:58,600 --> 02:30:04,479 questions there is there a difference between a side 1636 02:30:01,640 --> 02:30:10,160 uh the two different terms thank you mayor protim for the question um so a 1637 02:30:07,680 --> 02:30:16,399 Parkway is considered part of the public rideway if um that answers your question 1638 02:30:14,080 --> 02:30:21,600 there then what's a ride of way 1639 02:30:18,560 --> 02:30:29,640 um so right away would be considered public property um and if Public Works 1640 02:30:26,520 --> 02:30:29,640 has a definition for 1641 02:30:30,520 --> 02:30:39,680 that uh thank you mayor protim L thank you um I get this question a lot what's 1642 02:30:36,319 --> 02:30:44,800 a Parkway um especially if there's not a sidewalk um the ride of way is 1643 02:30:42,760 --> 02:30:50,920 everything everything between the private property lines it could include 1644 02:30:47,680 --> 02:30:56,960 a sidewalk could include a v veg itated Parkway it includes a street and then 1645 02:30:53,960 --> 02:31:01,840 going over you got your curb again maybe another sidewalk maybe not right of way 1646 02:30:59,880 --> 02:31:10,200 is everything in between the private property lines very common to call from 1647 02:31:05,680 --> 02:31:14,640 the private property line to the curb a Parkway okay that's definitely whether 1648 02:31:12,479 --> 02:31:20,560 it has a sidewalk or not yeah and then the only way for somebody to know how 1649 02:31:17,560 --> 02:31:25,279 far is what the size of their Parkway is is to call the public works department 1650 02:31:22,439 --> 02:31:28,160 we have a map and we have it all um we have to look it up for them it's it's a 1651 02:31:27,240 --> 02:31:33,479 wide variety so I guess the problem I guess 1652 02:31:30,640 --> 02:31:40,120 I'm asking is do we do we 1653 02:31:36,040 --> 02:31:43,560 have why do we have the requirement of residents is that normal to have 1654 02:31:43,920 --> 02:31:52,720 residents having to maintain the rideway or the 1655 02:31:50,120 --> 02:31:57,479 Parkway this this section of the code was included with an update to the tree 1656 02:31:54,960 --> 02:32:02,920 preservation and protection uh part of the municipal code in 1657 02:31:59,920 --> 02:32:08,479 2014 um I actually was around at that time so I think the the impetus and the 1658 02:32:05,560 --> 02:32:11,960 purpose was to have adjacent Property Owners take care of their trees a little 1659 02:32:10,319 --> 02:32:16,319 bit more than maybe some of the other details that are outlined in this 1660 02:32:13,720 --> 02:32:21,840 section that's my best correct recollection as to you know why this was 1661 02:32:19,240 --> 02:32:26,800 inserted it was part of a tree ordinance can I can I follow up on yeah I would I 1662 02:32:24,000 --> 02:32:31,880 remember that discussion M and part of the discussion was that private property 1663 02:32:29,560 --> 02:32:36,640 owners planted the trees in the Parkway and the they they can and and so 1664 02:32:34,560 --> 02:32:41,040 there was a debate about well who's can you even trim a tree if I planted it in 1665 02:32:38,800 --> 02:32:45,200 the parkway yeah then you know then there was that's I remember what that's 1666 02:32:43,720 --> 02:32:50,760 what we're talking about that that still exists to B we really didn't resolve it 1667 02:32:47,600 --> 02:32:56,600 yeah and you know we think we you know we have an inventory with our with our 1668 02:32:52,760 --> 02:33:01,000 contractor on trees that the city plants and then trees that are there that 1669 02:32:58,040 --> 02:33:04,800 nobody knows who planted right so I I agree I think that was a component of 1670 02:33:02,680 --> 02:33:10,319 the discussion in 2014 so I I see there's two lines of 1671 02:33:08,200 --> 02:33:15,520 questioning here and I I what I'd like to propose for us is is since we've 1672 02:33:12,640 --> 02:33:19,319 started down the line of of trees let's start with trees ask questions about 1673 02:33:17,560 --> 02:33:22,319 that and then then I'd like to pause and then and then do signs because I think 1674 02:33:20,520 --> 02:33:27,680 there's some different questions on on each if not just trees but maintenance 1675 02:33:24,319 --> 02:33:32,319 of the whole you got maintenance maintenance of of the Parkway and then 1676 02:33:30,120 --> 02:33:35,840 signs on it right yeah I I think because that's the whole validation of why I 1677 02:33:33,760 --> 02:33:41,720 introduced this but I but I I do think I do think yeah I do think maintaining 1678 02:33:37,439 --> 02:33:46,000 trees is not within uh the the description we have in the agenda it is 1679 02:33:44,399 --> 02:33:49,479 it is Parkways I think I think discussion of Parkways is okay but as 1680 02:33:47,600 --> 02:33:54,000 soon as we get into tree maintenance and can just say Parkway maintenance then 1681 02:33:51,840 --> 02:33:58,560 because that's what I was asking right because my questions are going to 1682 02:33:56,600 --> 02:34:01,760 go straight down to trees yeah yeah I think we should stay away from tree 1683 02:33:59,960 --> 02:34:06,040 maintenance because it's just not part of the agenda descrip so when I when I 1684 02:34:04,080 --> 02:34:10,200 agendized this it was specifically because I said if you are requiring a 1685 02:34:08,439 --> 02:34:14,439 property owner or the resident to maintain the S the side the other side 1686 02:34:12,520 --> 02:34:18,640 of the sidewalk or whatever the property line is for the right away then I should 1687 02:34:16,840 --> 02:34:22,160 be able to put what sign I want to on there I mean Within 1688 02:34:20,319 --> 02:34:26,120 within whatever code we designed so that's why I brought up the discussion 1689 02:34:23,240 --> 02:34:30,279 item but that code isn't in the report so that's why I said I asked for it 1690 02:34:27,520 --> 02:34:32,880 before this and I'm hoping and I'm glad we have it but the public doesn't have 1691 02:34:31,439 --> 02:34:36,800 it you can still argue for it it doesn't have to be in the report you can argue 1692 02:34:34,160 --> 02:34:40,800 for it so that was agree with you yeah so so let's try to stay with with it 1693 02:34:38,600 --> 02:34:46,680 with with questions there's a there's a clear need for for for discussion here 1694 02:34:43,520 --> 02:34:52,920 and so so are there other questions on on the the the uh on the maintenance of 1695 02:34:51,200 --> 02:34:58,279 public Parkways I think it's should I ask that again do most cities do this 1696 02:34:55,600 --> 02:34:58,279 are we the only 1697 02:34:58,760 --> 02:35:08,600 one I do believe most cities do have the property owner maintain their um Parkway 1698 02:35:06,399 --> 02:35:13,279 area in front of their home that they are adjacent 1699 02:35:10,279 --> 02:35:13,279 to 1700 02:35:13,399 --> 02:35:22,359 okay questions yeah so regarding sign placement um there there was a and I 1701 02:35:19,439 --> 02:35:28,920 know this is a kind of a oneoff but there was a business 1702 02:35:25,359 --> 02:35:34,160 owner who also was leas had the enhanced sidewalk program are therefore leasing 1703 02:35:30,960 --> 02:35:39,520 some of the property of the city and they wanted to place a sign in the bow 1704 02:35:36,479 --> 02:35:45,120 out that's adjacent to the area they're leasing um would that then be something 1705 02:35:42,880 --> 02:35:49,319 under their control or is that still a public right of way because it was a 1706 02:35:47,680 --> 02:35:51,640 public property that's being subleased by a 1707 02:35:51,960 --> 02:36:01,120 business and I know it's very oneoff but the business owner asked 1708 02:35:59,160 --> 02:36:05,000 me about that no it's actually a really good question um and we haven't been 1709 02:36:03,080 --> 02:36:10,479 confronted with that as far as I know but when we do uh do one of those bow 1710 02:36:07,560 --> 02:36:14,840 out leases for one of the I think four businesses we asked for a site plan at 1711 02:36:13,160 --> 02:36:20,279 that point that's when we could look and see maybe if there's a sign proposed um 1712 02:36:18,200 --> 02:36:25,040 part of what we're looking for in the site plan is Ada this was a temporary 1713 02:36:23,240 --> 02:36:30,399 sign not a permanent sign so this would be a political sign let's um again we 1714 02:36:28,399 --> 02:36:34,880 haven't been asked that we would look for Ada first of all and then actually 1715 02:36:33,359 --> 02:36:39,600 the uh planning and Community preservation department does have some 1716 02:36:36,920 --> 02:36:42,359 parameters on what the sign's content can 1717 02:36:40,479 --> 02:36:49,000 be um but um if it wasn't a leased space 1718 02:36:46,800 --> 02:36:53,920 it's as simple as an encroachment permit as long as Ada and everything else is 1719 02:36:51,359 --> 02:36:58,319 fine if it's a lease space that's a new question for me that so that would 1720 02:36:55,960 --> 02:37:03,840 include like the signs that stores put up like I'm inside we have a special 1721 02:37:00,760 --> 02:37:10,760 today yeah okay I have a question yes please so um okay so getting back to 1722 02:37:06,800 --> 02:37:14,120 this issue that's in the agenda um do are we aware of any documented instance 1723 02:37:13,160 --> 02:37:19,160 where somebody uh got into some kind of an a 1724 02:37:16,760 --> 02:37:23,800 car accident or perhaps tripped on a sidewalk walk be uh which was 1725 02:37:21,080 --> 02:37:28,600 precipitated by the existence of a political sign in a 1726 02:37:25,840 --> 02:37:33,160 Parkway has it been a documented public safety hazard now to my knowledge okay 1727 02:37:31,479 --> 02:37:37,720 thank you other questions would this also and 1728 02:37:35,920 --> 02:37:42,200 I as in my questions would this also have to include the signage in the park 1729 02:37:39,520 --> 02:37:46,160 that we put up to to help build community with the 1730 02:37:43,800 --> 02:37:51,040 walking like the library signs then would those not be actually allowed I 1731 02:37:48,600 --> 02:37:55,240 know Caitlyn is discussing this with me and I don't know where it ended up so 1732 02:37:52,760 --> 02:37:58,279 I'll let Caitlyn take that and and also we we designed it for the new park but 1733 02:37:57,560 --> 02:38:04,680 The Meadows thank you for the question so 1734 02:38:01,479 --> 02:38:09,200 the code currently prohibits signs that are in the public RightWay or public 1735 02:38:07,520 --> 02:38:17,640 property yeah so that is so so so technically the 1736 02:38:13,279 --> 02:38:22,399 library signs in the in Memorial Park are not allowed according to our 1737 02:38:19,520 --> 02:38:26,880 ordinance only only if those signs were placed by private individuals government 1738 02:38:25,200 --> 02:38:30,279 so if the government places signs on its own property that's totally fine that's 1739 02:38:28,279 --> 02:38:35,640 government speech on its own property okay as long as okay yeah doesn't 1740 02:38:33,000 --> 02:38:39,000 violate any other like political signs they wouldn't be able to do because that 1741 02:38:37,120 --> 02:38:45,840 violates their other corre wait wait wait wait wait wait you're so back up so 1742 02:38:42,439 --> 02:38:50,319 that's government speech on government property 1743 02:38:47,880 --> 02:38:53,520 okay I thought we had had freedom of speech for everybody on government 1744 02:38:51,720 --> 02:38:57,120 property doesn't anyone have a right to make a public statement on public 1745 02:38:55,000 --> 02:39:00,479 property not statement you can yeah that's what's that's what a sign is it's 1746 02:38:58,520 --> 02:39:06,840 an expression of free speech free political speech the city can prohibit 1747 02:39:03,000 --> 02:39:11,040 signage on let's say a park for reasons that are you just have to have a 1748 02:39:08,359 --> 02:39:14,960 rational basis for it so for example if a park is supposed to be used for 1749 02:39:13,000 --> 02:39:19,800 recreation you don't want to have signs in that green space because people can't 1750 02:39:17,880 --> 02:39:22,840 recreate so so long as you can TI it to some rational basis then you can justify 1751 02:39:21,960 --> 02:39:27,359 that prohibition well I I I get that so 1752 02:39:24,960 --> 02:39:32,680 you're saying that we're treating a sign put right in the middle of Memorial Park 1753 02:39:29,760 --> 02:39:37,120 the same as a sign in a Parkway where the sign in the parkway presumably 1754 02:39:34,359 --> 02:39:41,479 hasn't got a real it's not really impeding with the sign in the Memorial 1755 02:39:38,840 --> 02:39:47,520 Park is obviously a problem right so we're treating these as if they're the 1756 02:39:43,520 --> 02:39:53,640 same right yeah and and I'll add the the sign in the park way is more problematic 1757 02:39:51,600 --> 02:39:59,680 for a reason that was addressed in the staff report which is it's creating a 1758 02:39:56,640 --> 02:40:03,160 Content based difference between what can be placed and what can't be placed 1759 02:40:01,439 --> 02:40:08,080 so we have currently the ordinance that says you can place yard signs but you 1760 02:40:05,800 --> 02:40:15,240 can't place political signs uh this ordinance was adopted in 1761 02:40:11,359 --> 02:40:20,520 2003 the law has evolved since then um when this has come up we've told staff 1762 02:40:17,399 --> 02:40:25,520 uh not to enforce this strictly because uh it's it's probably legally suspect uh 1763 02:40:22,760 --> 02:40:32,760 given the evolution in the law you can't have content-based restrictions on 1764 02:40:29,439 --> 02:40:40,880 speech you could have it but you could have uh restrictions based on other 1765 02:40:36,479 --> 02:40:48,040 things like size or on non-content based non-content based that apply across the 1766 02:40:42,840 --> 02:40:51,800 board got it and and so we also don't that would we haven't included things 1767 02:40:49,640 --> 02:40:56,319 like little league and thank you to our firefighters like that's not in our 1768 02:40:53,600 --> 02:41:00,560 language to be able to include those in public space either correct right and I 1769 02:40:59,439 --> 02:41:05,439 just want to be clear you're talking about private individuals placing these 1770 02:41:03,000 --> 02:41:09,000 things yes so like the little advertisements to sign up for AYSO at 1771 02:41:07,279 --> 02:41:12,880 the park are actually not supposed to be there yeah and and just to draw another 1772 02:41:11,080 --> 02:41:17,520 distinction again to to council member gos this point when the city places it 1773 02:41:15,720 --> 02:41:21,640 signs on its own property it's acting as a private property owner the city is a 1774 02:41:20,279 --> 02:41:24,760 private property owner and it can exercise the same rights that private 1775 02:41:23,120 --> 02:41:27,279 property owners have to place to do whatever it wants with his private 1776 02:41:25,760 --> 02:41:32,240 property including the placing assigns and prohibiting others from placing 1777 02:41:28,960 --> 02:41:38,359 signs on that public property unless that property is a designated public 1778 02:41:35,640 --> 02:41:40,520 forum then there's a different issue and the First Amendment law is a little 1779 02:41:39,319 --> 02:41:47,000 complex on this point I can get into that if you 1780 02:41:42,600 --> 02:41:54,600 like so when there isn't an actual sidewalk in 1781 02:41:50,720 --> 02:42:01,800 Parkway what is then the parkway like a house that doesn't have a um sidewalk 1782 02:41:58,240 --> 02:42:01,800 what's the where is the parkway 1783 02:42:03,720 --> 02:42:12,720 then it is a it's a predetermined um foot or or half a foot 1784 02:42:10,319 --> 02:42:18,000 from the face of the curb in towards the private property and there's an 1785 02:42:15,000 --> 02:42:21,720 invisible line how how how long did you say half a foot no it's different 1786 02:42:19,880 --> 02:42:28,040 everywhere it could it's it's broken down to um uh a a full foot or a half a 1787 02:42:26,000 --> 02:42:32,520 foot it's not broken down by an inch oh okay yeah so it could be 5 and A2 feet 1788 02:42:30,520 --> 02:42:37,120 in from the face of the curb it could be8 feet in from the face of the curb 1789 02:42:34,800 --> 02:42:41,800 and it's really is an invisible line so it it it's based it's based on the title 1790 02:42:38,800 --> 02:42:46,600 of the property then yes okay and so when when when the parcels were created 1791 02:42:43,920 --> 02:42:50,880 in that area it's based on on how that that 1792 02:42:47,760 --> 02:42:56,279 that part of land was parceled out yes track maps and then um you can you can 1793 02:42:54,200 --> 02:43:01,120 get a survey to get it down to the quarter of an inch or whatever you need 1794 02:42:59,040 --> 02:43:07,160 um but we do have the maps that tell you how many feet or feet point5 it is got 1795 02:43:04,479 --> 02:43:11,279 it so conceivably we could have built a road almost all the way to the property 1796 02:43:09,880 --> 02:43:18,000 line and then there's no quote unquote Parkway or public ride 1797 02:43:15,160 --> 02:43:22,359 or extra public rideway beyond the curb there's really no Parkways in the canyon 1798 02:43:19,840 --> 02:43:26,720 areas for example so he can never put a sidewalk there 1799 02:43:23,840 --> 02:43:30,960 right interesting interesting thank you so so so wait hold 1800 02:43:29,279 --> 02:43:37,720 on that that so that's a real that's a really good question so then then um for 1801 02:43:34,240 --> 02:43:37,720 signs in the 1802 02:43:38,080 --> 02:43:44,560 canyon how does how do how does our current ordinance deal with signs in the 1803 02:43:43,319 --> 02:43:49,640 canyon so if you want to put a sign in the canyon and you don't have a a 1804 02:43:46,720 --> 02:43:53,640 Parkway what ordinance how does the ordinance 1805 02:43:51,920 --> 02:43:58,439 apply in that case because then then it's on the building right or it's on 1806 02:43:56,399 --> 02:44:03,240 private property it's on private that's on private 1807 02:44:00,080 --> 02:44:06,600 property okay thank you other 1808 02:44:06,760 --> 02:44:12,479 questions I don't think so are we contemplating I know it's in the staff 1809 02:44:10,840 --> 02:44:19,840 report um one of the things we could talk about is number of signs um have we 1810 02:44:15,760 --> 02:44:23,960 done a survey I think to Mayor Pro Low's point of how many sign you know looking 1811 02:44:22,319 --> 02:44:31,040 at other cities how many signs they permit when they do permit um or do do 1812 02:44:26,640 --> 02:44:35,000 cities even permit signs in Parkways um around us direct ly 1813 02:44:37,000 --> 02:44:47,880 know so um thank you for the question um we did a survey of surrounding cities 1814 02:44:43,960 --> 02:44:54,800 none of the cities um allow signs in public right away or Parkway um the only 1815 02:44:51,359 --> 02:44:59,840 city that um allows science in the parkway would be 1816 02:44:56,479 --> 02:45:06,960 laata in St Gable Valley and and what's their policy then so their policy is to 1817 02:45:03,800 --> 02:45:13,760 they they're limited to two signs and there is a size restriction for 1818 02:45:09,279 --> 02:45:19,960 political signs so so no other city in kind of our our cohort group or within 1819 02:45:16,640 --> 02:45:24,080 our area has an ordinance around signs or do they have or do they have an an 1820 02:45:21,840 --> 02:45:30,479 ordinance that bans signs um their 1821 02:45:26,279 --> 02:45:34,760 ordinance prohibit signs in Parkway okay so there there actually is 1822 02:45:32,800 --> 02:45:40,520 you you're not allowed to put them on so so in Arcadia you couldn't have any 1823 02:45:37,680 --> 02:45:45,600 little league or firefighter or political sign in the parkway that's 1824 02:45:43,120 --> 02:45:51,800 correct similar to sadra CO as well our current Co prohibit all the all signs in 1825 02:45:48,200 --> 02:45:57,240 Parkway EX except for yard signs andar got it but they 1826 02:45:54,279 --> 02:46:03,800 do we've driven through Aradia during so do we that's right right all 1827 02:46:01,319 --> 02:46:08,279 right further questions all right then I would like to 1828 02:46:06,720 --> 02:46:14,120 to move and open this up for public comment Madam clerk do we have any uh PE 1829 02:46:11,640 --> 02:46:18,920 any cards for public comment we have one uh submitted Mr Mayor from Glenn lemon 1830 02:46:20,760 --> 02:46:30,680 honorable mayor mayor proam council and staff um my suggestion unless we want to 1831 02:46:28,000 --> 02:46:35,240 look like the Clutter that is in some of the surrounding communities a little 1832 02:46:32,800 --> 02:46:39,040 south of here prohibit all signed on city property real simple we don't have 1833 02:46:37,359 --> 02:46:46,760 to worry about whether it's a Parkway uh ride of way a park um so just 1834 02:46:44,640 --> 02:46:51,000 prohibit it somebody wants to put a sign put it on your own property 1835 02:46:49,359 --> 02:46:55,120 um but I think there's a larger issue here 1836 02:46:53,600 --> 02:46:59,560 that that I want to address this I believe was was brought 1837 02:46:57,800 --> 02:47:06,040 and thank you Chris for bring bringing this to council this was brought because 1838 02:47:03,040 --> 02:47:15,560 during the November elections I noticed that there was signs City Park bow 1839 02:47:11,479 --> 02:47:22,319 outs ksing court and in the Parkways um and I was curious why the 1840 02:47:20,399 --> 02:47:27,560 codes weren't being enforced so I contacted the code enforcement officer 1841 02:47:24,720 --> 02:47:32,840 he told me that he was directed by his bosses not to enforce it I also noticed 1842 02:47:30,640 --> 02:47:37,319 that four of our five council members were in violation of the law willingly 1843 02:47:34,880 --> 02:47:42,399 in violation of the law this was concerning for me so I took the issue up 1844 02:47:40,319 --> 02:47:50,040 again with the senior manager and and I was told that for the 1845 02:47:46,800 --> 02:47:55,800 the reasons Chris that you had said um if homeowners are going to be mandated 1846 02:47:53,640 --> 02:48:02,439 to maintain it then it's only fair that we ignore codes that previous councils 1847 02:47:59,680 --> 02:48:06,359 adopted through legislative action and allow them to put the signs there this 1848 02:48:05,000 --> 02:48:11,120 to me is extremely um concerning because we have 1849 02:48:10,080 --> 02:48:18,359 to maintain the the authority that we give 1850 02:48:14,359 --> 02:48:21,600 to elected people um what you're doing now is the right way to do it if you 1851 02:48:19,800 --> 02:48:27,720 don't like the law you change it but you don't ignore it and staff should never 1852 02:48:23,399 --> 02:48:33,840 direct Personnel to ignore it also um imagine if you guys tonight or in future 1853 02:48:31,200 --> 02:48:39,720 you decide to change the regulations and future councils undermine the authority 1854 02:48:35,960 --> 02:48:45,359 that you have it's not right and so again my suggestion just just um 1855 02:48:43,200 --> 02:48:50,160 prohibit all of it but even more importantly we cannot lose sight 1856 02:48:47,880 --> 02:48:55,200 undermine the leg legislative process that we've adopted we can't do it we 1857 02:48:52,359 --> 02:48:59,840 can't even start a trickle to erode it because that's basically what our system 1858 02:48:56,640 --> 02:49:06,160 is all about so thank you thank you Mr lamon do we have any other public 1859 02:49:01,760 --> 02:49:06,160 comment we do not Mr Mayor all 1860 02:49:07,319 --> 02:49:10,319 right 1861 02:49:11,960 --> 02:49:19,319 discussion so I I I don't think we're going to solve this I I think no 1862 02:49:16,200 --> 02:49:23,880 tonight's idea is is is guidance so but you know I think this needs to come 1863 02:49:21,520 --> 02:49:30,160 back with you know a kind of a holistic look at the the parkway area um as what 1864 02:49:28,279 --> 02:49:34,279 I think was originally intended by by mayor 1865 02:49:31,040 --> 02:49:39,720 protm uh to to include talking about trees and and all those types of things 1866 02:49:36,720 --> 02:49:44,760 and what the what the duty of the homeowner or resident is and what the 1867 02:49:42,080 --> 02:49:48,760 duty of the city is and part of that will be I think the sign issue 1868 02:49:48,920 --> 02:49:56,359 but doesn't mean we can't not we should talk about discuss this but uh I think 1869 02:49:52,760 --> 02:50:00,800 that's kind of a bigger bigger picture I I I would tend to agree I'd like to have 1870 02:49:57,800 --> 02:50:04,160 the holistic thing I I I want I I'm I'm biting my tongue to go down the tree 1871 02:50:02,479 --> 02:50:09,680 route because I've got thoughts there but it is not part of this item but I I 1872 02:50:07,359 --> 02:50:14,319 think that when it comes back I'd like that to be part of of it as well and 1873 02:50:11,800 --> 02:50:18,000 that could include we'll genderize it at the end how about that when you guys 1874 02:50:16,000 --> 02:50:21,720 want to talk about that if we give if we give if we give 1875 02:50:19,200 --> 02:50:24,319 now we guidance now I'll tell you why later I'll agendize it at the end and 1876 02:50:23,160 --> 02:50:28,960 I'll tell you why because otherwise I'm bringing up a whole another agendize 1877 02:50:25,600 --> 02:50:32,239 item right now so we're not going to De no no no no no I'm talking about the 1878 02:50:30,479 --> 02:50:38,239 trees okay any discussion of trees and things 1879 02:50:35,520 --> 02:50:42,399 like that my my premise again for this wasn't just political signs it was for 1880 02:50:40,279 --> 02:50:45,760 little leak signs it's for those amazing my kid is an honor rooll student it's 1881 02:50:44,080 --> 02:50:51,720 for thank you s fire department and first Rescuers and PD and everything 1882 02:50:48,399 --> 02:50:59,680 like that those signs and I am paying to the city money in my 1883 02:50:56,359 --> 02:51:04,359 water bill to maintain that area I'm paying my Gardener to trim the grass and 1884 02:51:02,279 --> 02:51:09,080 I'm not a very like Landscaping person so I don't do this but many people do 1885 02:51:07,160 --> 02:51:14,680 landscape that area and they maintain it and we're charged to do that according 1886 02:51:11,040 --> 02:51:20,720 to our code but I can't put down what I want to as a sign at all unless it's 1887 02:51:17,720 --> 02:51:24,080 yard sailor garage sale and I find that erroneous I don't like the idea that 1888 02:51:22,239 --> 02:51:28,960 you're making me required to take care of this but I can't use it as I as I 1889 02:51:27,120 --> 02:51:34,439 would want within reason I mean obviously I don't want to do some crazy 1890 02:51:31,160 --> 02:51:38,040 crazy scary decoration of something but I think we should put in writing and 1891 02:51:36,359 --> 02:51:44,720 make a code that leaves it to like lonyatta where 1892 02:51:41,560 --> 02:51:52,040 it's not overdone to signs I agree with that type of of of signage as long as it 1893 02:51:47,439 --> 02:51:57,359 doesn't Hinder public uh utilities safety and there was already signage 1894 02:51:54,800 --> 02:52:02,279 language about glowing and things like that and there's parameters in and what 1895 02:51:59,080 --> 02:52:06,680 it can look like can I comment on that please I completely agree with you supp 1896 02:52:04,439 --> 02:52:12,720 support a change that makes I and I think uh Mr laman's point is certainly 1897 02:52:09,520 --> 02:52:16,399 important that these have been obviously flagrant examples of us kind of looking 1898 02:52:14,520 --> 02:52:20,680 the other way when the code says something well there's a reason for that 1899 02:52:18,680 --> 02:52:24,520 it's called custom and I think the custom in this city is going up against 1900 02:52:23,080 --> 02:52:30,520 the rule and I think we need to change the rule to reflect the Customs um I I I 1901 02:52:27,960 --> 02:52:34,200 teach political science and I above everything else believe in free speech 1902 02:52:32,279 --> 02:52:38,600 and I believe in we we can't get enough political speech and I feel like if you 1903 02:52:36,840 --> 02:52:43,120 look at how Parkways are laid out and you put a sign perpendicular to the 1904 02:52:40,680 --> 02:52:47,479 street on a Parkway there's a far higher probability someone will see it and 1905 02:52:46,000 --> 02:52:52,800 that's the whole point of political speech for somebody to see it process it 1906 02:52:50,960 --> 02:52:57,080 uh when you put a sign up on somebody yard sign facing the street it's much 1907 02:52:55,439 --> 02:53:01,319 harder to see in some neighborhoods it's almost impossible to see because of 1908 02:52:58,600 --> 02:53:06,520 trees and overhang so it seems to me we ought to side on the on the on the side 1909 02:53:03,279 --> 02:53:10,680 of more political speech not less I do believe it's an issue having done this I 1910 02:53:08,359 --> 02:53:14,520 do believe it's an issue that when you get close to intersections you could 1911 02:53:12,600 --> 02:53:18,960 very well impede the vision so I would say maybe and I'd have to leave this to 1912 02:53:17,560 --> 02:53:25,000 the expert I'd say at least 150 ft from any intersection I don't 1913 02:53:21,600 --> 02:53:28,760 think I'd put a sign in a Parkway but uh cuz you you know because if you're 1914 02:53:27,120 --> 02:53:32,840 turning left and there's a sign here you can't see maybe not see the lane of 1915 02:53:30,359 --> 02:53:38,720 traffic but I did ask and there is no documented instance where a political 1916 02:53:35,720 --> 02:53:45,319 sign impeded or caused an accident or caused any injury so it seems to me that 1917 02:53:41,359 --> 02:53:49,920 we're we're we'd be safe if we did this one quick thing to add that too in 1918 02:53:48,080 --> 02:53:54,040 equity why would I if I have a sidewalk not be 1919 02:53:52,439 --> 02:53:58,319 able to do this but if I don't have a sidewalk I don't know where the property 1920 02:53:55,439 --> 02:54:02,200 line is so I'm going to I can do this so it it's it's not Equitable for those who 1921 02:54:00,200 --> 02:54:04,520 have sidewalks and not because people who don't have sidewalks you don't know 1922 02:54:03,239 --> 02:54:08,239 where the property line is and I don't think the code enforcer 1923 02:54:06,760 --> 02:54:12,920 most likely will go out and look at the whole parcel map that be a waste of time 1924 02:54:11,120 --> 02:54:17,279 the code enforcer let's get this straight we have 1925 02:54:15,560 --> 02:54:19,960 all kinds of rules on the books The Code Enforcer doesn't look at because he 1926 02:54:18,680 --> 02:54:24,840 doesn't know they're there or doesn't have the time to do so this just add 1927 02:54:22,279 --> 02:54:27,720 these to the list I mean think about all the additions that are being done and 1928 02:54:26,520 --> 02:54:32,160 and and things that are being done in people's homes this week that are not 1929 02:54:30,080 --> 02:54:36,600 being run through the code enforcement not run through our planning department 1930 02:54:34,439 --> 02:54:39,279 so I mean it seems like we got to kind of pick and choose where our priorities 1931 02:54:38,080 --> 02:54:43,000 here if we're looking for code enforcement those agendized items you 1932 02:54:40,760 --> 02:54:50,319 know items yeah I know but I mean it goes to this issue is this such a high 1933 02:54:45,560 --> 02:54:50,319 priority that you know we want our 1934 02:54:52,760 --> 02:55:01,680 so so I I I like where you're go where you went with this council member gos is 1935 02:54:57,120 --> 02:55:06,680 that you know it is norms and culture and it is you know Traditions or history 1936 02:55:04,520 --> 02:55:09,960 or practice and and I mean that's one of the things that's great about the city 1937 02:55:08,080 --> 02:55:14,680 is that you go anywhere and there's all kinds of signs on it and I and I would 1938 02:55:12,200 --> 02:55:17,720 agree with you on on the the any type of of speech that we should be allow we 1939 02:55:16,160 --> 02:55:21,720 should be encouraging it we should be encouraging people to speak out and to 1940 02:55:19,840 --> 02:55:27,080 have you know to to to have that dialogue um so I think that that makes a 1941 02:55:24,080 --> 02:55:31,080 lot of sense I I also think you know that that's why I was asking the 1942 02:55:29,359 --> 02:55:36,960 question about where the parkway starts is that you know trying to decide where 1943 02:55:34,920 --> 02:55:41,040 your property line is it gets gets really difficult I me we're actually 1944 02:55:38,640 --> 02:55:47,160 having we've had some some issues with residents Mo most recently with with 1945 02:55:43,319 --> 02:55:55,600 that so I I I think having some guidance on the the placement the 1946 02:55:51,319 --> 02:56:02,760 number U probably revisiting the the the details on the signs you know like 1947 02:55:57,680 --> 02:56:07,479 Council like mayor PM said is on you um powered or flashing or colors or 1948 02:56:05,640 --> 02:56:12,120 anything like that that that would be distractions I think that that's 1949 02:56:09,120 --> 02:56:16,960 important um but I I I do think you know having signs out um is something that 1950 02:56:14,760 --> 02:56:21,560 that's part of the city and should be supported and encouraged within reason 1951 02:56:19,439 --> 02:56:26,479 within within some sort of scope can I also ask that this part of 1952 02:56:25,040 --> 02:56:29,640 the discussion be reflected in the minutes because I think it's really 1953 02:56:27,800 --> 02:56:34,920 important to look at the future when we are bringing this forward that people 1954 02:56:31,439 --> 02:56:39,160 can read through our minutes and see what why we've made these choices what 1955 02:56:37,399 --> 02:56:43,680 our perspectives were what was a public comment because help guide because in 1956 02:56:41,319 --> 02:56:48,680 the future when I bring up like what was when you said this came up what 2003 was 1957 02:56:46,439 --> 02:56:54,080 the first one and now it's interesting to see like how was that process changed 1958 02:56:51,000 --> 02:56:57,800 why did they change it would it so would it be in the minute or in the staff 1959 02:56:55,840 --> 02:57:02,439 report because I think the staff report would then have what did the actual it 1960 02:57:00,920 --> 02:57:05,040 would reflect the dialogue that was received so the reason I asked that is 1961 02:57:03,840 --> 02:57:10,120 when I looked at the planning commission's Alverno issues as well as 1962 02:57:07,080 --> 02:57:14,200 other issues those minutes told me exactly what the discussion was with the 1963 02:57:12,080 --> 02:57:21,640 people sitting here so I could understand why that code was amended why 1964 02:57:18,600 --> 02:57:25,520 was that code set and approved because of the discussion items like right now 1965 02:57:23,960 --> 02:57:29,920 what was the rationale for the policy correct correct and I think it was 1966 02:57:27,920 --> 02:57:33,560 really important and really helped us as Council when I read through those 1967 02:57:31,720 --> 02:57:36,680 reports from Planning Commission so I think it's really important that we do 1968 02:57:34,920 --> 02:57:40,920 that otherwise people have to go to archived videos and watch a whole video 1969 02:57:39,760 --> 02:57:44,239 I just think it's really important and I've seen you know other councils do 1970 02:57:42,680 --> 02:57:48,319 that where it's when it's this kind of thing like give a blurb of why we're 1971 02:57:46,720 --> 02:57:53,720 what we're discussing why did we make this policy so I I completely agree with 1972 02:57:50,880 --> 02:57:56,960 with with the the intent that you've got where I where I'm wondering is is that 1973 02:57:55,399 --> 02:58:00,720 we're going to have a staff report on that and and that's where it's going to 1974 02:57:58,560 --> 02:58:05,560 have the decision on it so would it be easier to find the results on it if you 1975 02:58:03,359 --> 02:58:08,880 had the the discussion and then the outcome in the staff report because 1976 02:58:07,399 --> 02:58:12,840 that's I want know why I trust those leaders when I'm not here anymore but 1977 02:58:11,279 --> 02:58:18,120 it's in the staff report I want to see I want to go back to those minutes and see 1978 02:58:14,640 --> 02:58:21,000 what our previous Council were thinking just like I want to know what the 1979 02:58:19,120 --> 02:58:24,399 Planning Commission was thinking when they come up with codes and policies 1980 02:58:22,600 --> 02:58:27,640 you're just asking for exp asking expanding minutes like when it comes to 1981 02:58:26,160 --> 02:58:31,720 our discussion items like this is and then they normally are I just want to 1982 02:58:29,640 --> 02:58:36,439 make sure that it's noted what our public comment was what we're 1983 02:58:34,279 --> 02:58:41,239 discussing so that we can understand why did we change 1984 02:58:37,880 --> 02:58:45,040 this what was our rationale okay I think it also makes it very transparent that 1985 02:58:43,720 --> 02:58:48,800 we're not hiding anything this is our transparency time 1986 02:58:50,319 --> 02:58:57,359 okay and we even have technology that does that now for us other 1987 02:59:00,479 --> 02:59:05,960 discussion PL when do you have enough guidance on this or city manager Roso do 1988 02:59:04,560 --> 02:59:12,000 you have enough guidance to take this back um I I I want to 1989 02:59:08,840 --> 02:59:18,239 clarify I have questions okay go ahead so so on the issue of content 1990 02:59:15,520 --> 02:59:25,640 neutrality is the council okay with drop ing any reference that differentiates 1991 02:59:20,160 --> 02:59:28,520 signs based on content yes yes okay and if I'm understanding correctly the 1992 02:59:26,960 --> 02:59:34,920 council wants to permit signs in the public right away but Place restriction 1993 02:59:32,439 --> 02:59:39,080 objective non-content content neutral restrictions on them right quick 1994 02:59:37,319 --> 02:59:47,479 question then about that well for Public Safety purposes primarily is there state 1995 02:59:42,880 --> 02:59:51,040 or LA County restrictions on signage at all even if it's on the person's 1996 02:59:49,080 --> 02:59:57,439 property or not and the example I'm stating is there was a resident in I 1997 02:59:53,319 --> 03:00:03,359 believe North Hollywood that had a race racial symbol in their window and the 1998 03:00:01,040 --> 03:00:07,200 city was able to mandate they remove that and I don't remember why because to 1999 03:00:05,600 --> 03:00:10,880 me it would be free speech even if I don't like it and I want to know if 2000 03:00:09,359 --> 03:00:16,479 there's already language in there that prohibits certain signage due to hateful 2001 03:00:13,239 --> 03:00:20,120 or anything speech I I mean only only speech that's not protected by the First 2002 03:00:18,279 --> 03:00:23,319 Amendment would be something we could move against and we would have to get an 2003 03:00:21,920 --> 03:00:28,760 injunction to do that it's not something we could do through code enforcement 2004 03:00:24,960 --> 03:00:33,399 okay uh and but as far as like LA County I don't know because LA County would 2005 03:00:30,760 --> 03:00:39,439 have La County's ordinances and regulations have no bearing on the city 2006 03:00:35,000 --> 03:00:43,479 of C okay and um this made me think of another one do we need to put any 2007 03:00:41,080 --> 03:00:49,760 provisions in for uh real estate signs or is that covered in a separate thing 2008 03:00:45,160 --> 03:00:53,120 so is that so so business regulation is a a entirely separate topic that would 2009 03:00:51,680 --> 03:00:57,479 be a considered yeah that makes sense okay vulgarities those are already those 2010 03:00:55,760 --> 03:01:04,399 are fine I mean permissible under the First 2011 03:01:02,040 --> 03:01:06,920 Amendment wasn't there a code of decency though that like I can't stand in front 2012 03:01:05,600 --> 03:01:11,760 of my house naked uh even though it might be my 2013 03:01:08,720 --> 03:01:18,200 first amendment right correct that's a there's a separate body of law on on 2014 03:01:14,920 --> 03:01:23,960 public nudity you know if we pass an ordinance like this and and kind of 2015 03:01:20,640 --> 03:01:29,319 liberalize this I I don't think we're we're going to see a 2016 03:01:25,640 --> 03:01:34,399 whole mass amount of signs controversial signs spring up about all kinds I I feel 2017 03:01:31,720 --> 03:01:40,120 like that that's why we live here most of the our our fellow are moderns are 2018 03:01:37,560 --> 03:01:43,920 self disciplined about these kind of public matters we don't have that 2019 03:01:42,319 --> 03:01:47,960 problem and we can go to other cities you can see really horrible examples of 2020 03:01:46,120 --> 03:01:52,200 it but here we've been generally pretty good about this I I wouldn't expect 2021 03:01:49,880 --> 03:01:57,200 changing the actual language uh to allow for things in the 2022 03:01:54,720 --> 03:02:01,640 parkway is going to cause you know Fu signs in the Parkways if you're a 2023 03:01:58,720 --> 03:02:05,439 moderator something like that yeah I it's you your your options are really to 2024 03:02:03,760 --> 03:02:11,640 allow it or disallow it because when you try to regulate along the margins you 2025 03:02:07,399 --> 03:02:16,600 run into very challenging um lawsuits to defend so I mean what we're trying to do 2026 03:02:13,640 --> 03:02:20,640 is is codified what the actual practice is 2027 03:02:18,359 --> 03:02:26,000 C Roso you wanted some clarifications did you get what you needed I I I took 2028 03:02:22,560 --> 03:02:31,040 some notes um and so um today was to provide staff with with Direction uh so 2029 03:02:28,359 --> 03:02:38,439 we can come back um but what I'm what I have is uh who maintains the Parkways 2030 03:02:33,920 --> 03:02:42,760 and why the homeowner's right to use the parkway um and I think City attorney 2031 03:02:40,960 --> 03:02:48,880 just clarified it doesn't matter what type of sign it is um so it so little 2032 03:02:45,760 --> 03:02:53,920 league political signs um um we're just going to look at signs in general um 2033 03:02:52,359 --> 03:02:59,880 we're going to look at if there's any state or County restrictions and if they 2034 03:02:56,120 --> 03:03:05,399 apply to the city um we did the initial conversation was around uh elections so 2035 03:03:03,800 --> 03:03:10,560 I'm going to include time restrictions or or election periods um or if we want 2036 03:03:08,319 --> 03:03:14,960 to just open it up all year uh because little league and and First Responders 2037 03:03:13,080 --> 03:03:19,800 thank you those happen could happen at any time is that okay yes you mean you 2038 03:03:17,960 --> 03:03:24,960 mean keeping the code that we already have that political signage can only be 2039 03:03:22,279 --> 03:03:28,920 up 10 days after no it can't it can't be based on the content of the signs so 2040 03:03:26,920 --> 03:03:33,479 it's going to be it's it might be something like Signs can only be there 2041 03:03:30,319 --> 03:03:37,520 for 30 days all signs after 30 days you'd have to move a sign that that 2042 03:03:35,000 --> 03:03:42,000 would be like a durational limit a a a Content neutral durational limit on 2043 03:03:39,279 --> 03:03:49,120 signage like the parking 3 parking so so then how do you um when when you run for 2044 03:03:45,319 --> 03:03:54,640 office you have to have a bond or a sign Bond or something I can't sign there was 2045 03:03:51,960 --> 03:03:59,479 another it's a bond it's a signed Bond um 2046 03:03:56,439 --> 03:04:05,800 so how does that re reflect this this dialogue is it can 2047 03:04:02,399 --> 03:04:11,880 you may mayor is correct um when a candidate's running for office for an 2048 03:04:07,880 --> 03:04:16,840 elected office the candidates do um pay a $100 refundable Bond and then if the 2049 03:04:15,279 --> 03:04:23,120 uh signs are removed according to the municipal code if the removed within 10 2050 03:04:18,880 --> 03:04:28,160 days uh after the election then the bond is refundable and and the bond is to pay 2051 03:04:25,920 --> 03:04:31,800 the cost of us having to the city having to remove it correct if they are not 2052 03:04:29,640 --> 03:04:37,640 removed within 10 days and City staff needs to remove them then that um bond 2053 03:04:34,800 --> 03:04:42,319 is used for City staff to remove the bond the signs and and so if if some 2054 03:04:40,520 --> 03:04:46,200 kind of durational limit was placed on signs through this ordinance we'd 2055 03:04:44,040 --> 03:04:50,840 probably have to revisit that bonding requirement 2056 03:04:48,520 --> 03:04:54,840 so yeah I mean I'm contemplating if you have a presidential sign if you have a 2057 03:04:52,840 --> 03:04:59,000 state senate sign I mean there's no they don't have to pay a bond and their signs 2058 03:04:56,399 --> 03:05:03,720 were all over the place as well right um do they get stuck with a a bill to clean 2059 03:05:01,560 --> 03:05:11,319 up the city no no no 2060 03:05:07,800 --> 03:05:15,120 that if you have a presidential sign on your private property you can have it 2061 03:05:13,840 --> 03:05:19,160 only a private property we're talking about the parkway but not according to 2062 03:05:16,560 --> 03:05:23,520 the bond because prior those signs could be on any public area so it's inferred 2063 03:05:21,560 --> 03:05:27,680 that it's on your private residence so technically if you had a political 2064 03:05:25,840 --> 03:05:33,080 president sign up you were supposed to remove it you were supposed to get a 2065 03:05:29,760 --> 03:05:39,080 bond and then remove it within 10 days private property is is that what the 2066 03:05:35,359 --> 03:05:43,359 ordinance so so the the bond is it is it based on an ordinance I I think again we 2067 03:05:41,319 --> 03:05:48,279 might be getting off topic because we're we were trying to focus on sign 2068 03:05:45,880 --> 03:05:52,760 placement in the Parkways yeah and I think plac in the in private property 2069 03:05:51,239 --> 03:05:58,600 might be out of the scope did I did I miss anything in 2070 03:05:55,080 --> 03:06:04,080 my the only the issue I might have is is if signs place too close to 2071 03:06:01,040 --> 03:06:10,040 intersections in Parkways I think maintain safety yeah from a safe traffic 2072 03:06:07,680 --> 03:06:17,279 point of view that that we there is the new law on um parking related to to 2073 03:06:15,239 --> 03:06:21,239 implied cross rocks I can't remember the exact 2074 03:06:18,760 --> 03:06:25,800 yeah but but but but but there there's guidance that's that's exactly where I 2075 03:06:23,120 --> 03:06:30,680 was thinking it's a guideline for pedestrians it it may be at least 2076 03:06:28,720 --> 03:06:35,560 something to consider I I don't want to bind staff on it but there someone had 2077 03:06:33,880 --> 03:06:40,160 done some thinking on that and and it' be worth looking at that as as guidance 2078 03:06:37,920 --> 03:06:46,239 sign safety distance from intersections is that and size size 2079 03:06:44,680 --> 03:06:51,840 right that's non size is in there I think to think the the standard 2080 03:06:49,840 --> 03:06:56,479 yeah yeah I think that I think our current size size is in there but size 2081 03:06:53,880 --> 03:07:00,560 is in size is in there but we can revisit it right yeah it wouldn't mess 2082 03:06:58,319 --> 03:07:06,439 with color or anything like that I think it says something that deters driving 2083 03:07:04,359 --> 03:07:09,920 like I think it says light light up so it can't be like right right NE on it 2084 03:07:08,479 --> 03:07:17,239 can't light up flash reflective right yes okay thank 2085 03:07:14,080 --> 03:07:25,359 you thank you everybody thank you staff all right right um then I think we're on 2086 03:07:19,880 --> 03:07:29,439 to the next item which is resolution 2506 legislative 2087 03:07:29,520 --> 03:07:36,479 advocacy is that right uh yes mayor I'll be presenting 2088 03:07:33,680 --> 03:07:41,160 this one uh the city council last considered this item at their January 2089 03:07:38,080 --> 03:07:46,120 28th regular meeting uh at that meeting the city council provided some direction 2090 03:07:43,720 --> 03:07:50,960 uh here is the direction I had recorded to prioritize requests from neighboring 2091 03:07:48,160 --> 03:07:54,040 or Regional public agencies to expand the scope of the resolution to include 2092 03:07:52,600 --> 03:07:58,120 funding applications and other opportunities to increase 2093 03:07:55,920 --> 03:08:02,160 resources and for the city manager to consult with the mayor prior to taking 2094 03:08:00,120 --> 03:08:06,640 any policy position so this the version of the 2095 03:08:04,840 --> 03:08:12,000 resolution in your packet today looks a little different than the prior version 2096 03:08:08,880 --> 03:08:18,359 because it doesn't seek to define the policy priorities that's been taken 2097 03:08:14,800 --> 03:08:22,640 out uh instead what it's doing is it's creating um three elements that need to 2098 03:08:21,000 --> 03:08:28,120 be satisfied in order for the city manager to take a policy position those 2099 03:08:24,920 --> 03:08:33,520 three elements are the following the position um the position is at the 2100 03:08:31,479 --> 03:08:36,319 request of a neighboring public agency or a member organization of which the 2101 03:08:35,319 --> 03:08:42,040 city is a member the position supports an increase 2102 03:08:39,279 --> 03:08:47,000 in or opposes a decrease in resources to the city a neighboring public agency or 2103 03:08:45,279 --> 03:08:50,560 a member organization of which the city is a member 2104 03:08:48,479 --> 03:08:56,640 and the mayor approves the policy position so you can see this one is more 2105 03:08:52,880 --> 03:09:03,200 focused on resources and um is stays away from uh really policy 2106 03:08:59,600 --> 03:09:08,319 considerations it's more focused on I guess policies that Advance resources 2107 03:09:05,439 --> 03:09:13,720 Less on policies that determine legislative decisions not related to 2108 03:09:11,160 --> 03:09:18,640 resources and remind me the the reason for that is if if we were going to talk 2109 03:09:15,439 --> 03:09:24,640 about a legislative policy uh it's not as timely was that that was 2110 03:09:21,319 --> 03:09:29,600 our rationale right and because we some things are timely for our neighbors to 2111 03:09:26,640 --> 03:09:34,800 get support for maybe a grant uh that's that was our concern right so there 2112 03:09:31,840 --> 03:09:42,080 there were the the rational behind this uh uh policy resolution was that we kept 2113 03:09:39,600 --> 03:09:47,840 receiving we I mean City management kept receiving requests to take positions on 2114 03:09:45,479 --> 03:09:51,680 legislation on regulation on 2115 03:09:48,880 --> 03:09:55,760 applications for resources and other items and the city and the city 2116 03:09:53,760 --> 03:10:03,800 management was unable to respond to those requests in time because we 2117 03:09:59,120 --> 03:10:07,359 couldn't agendize it uh or or by agend by agiz that for the next regular city 2118 03:10:05,760 --> 03:10:12,960 council meeting we lost the opportunity to weigh 2119 03:10:08,720 --> 03:10:18,560 in and so initially the idea was that the city manager was going to uh be 2120 03:10:16,040 --> 03:10:22,160 authorized to pursue policy positions on a whole host of 2121 03:10:20,680 --> 03:10:26,080 things including resources and non-resource related issues and this one 2122 03:10:24,520 --> 03:10:33,160 is going to be related specifically to resources for the city um or neighboring 2123 03:10:30,960 --> 03:10:38,200 public agency or member organization so it's a lot narrower in 2124 03:10:35,760 --> 03:10:38,200 in 2125 03:10:38,600 --> 03:10:46,479 scope and that's your presentation right yes 2126 03:10:42,479 --> 03:10:46,479 okay questions 2127 03:10:47,800 --> 03:10:55,880 I went first last time have comments but no questions I guess I have comments 2128 03:10:52,760 --> 03:11:01,520 more than questions hearing no questions Madam clerk do you have any 2129 03:10:59,200 --> 03:11:08,960 comment cards or question cards for this item yes sir Mr Mayor there is one from 2130 03:11:04,640 --> 03:11:17,359 Glenn lamon great welcome back Mr lamon me beat this dead horse 2131 03:11:13,680 --> 03:11:25,479 um one one of the benefits of of our representative government is that we the 2132 03:11:21,040 --> 03:11:29,520 people we get to pick from us five council members to go into the 2133 03:11:27,880 --> 03:11:35,160 bureaucracy that is government and create legislation you 2134 03:11:32,359 --> 03:11:39,960 create policy and you represented us through the legislative Authority that 2135 03:11:37,000 --> 03:11:47,279 we give you through fair and open elections this proposal in a way kind of 2136 03:11:43,200 --> 03:11:51,560 violates that in that it would eliminate the public to be involved in these 2137 03:11:49,800 --> 03:11:58,439 policy decisions um and it would only require 2138 03:11:55,560 --> 03:12:04,040 just the mayor not two other council members to be in agreement now let me 2139 03:12:00,640 --> 03:12:08,840 let me say I I believe every of our five council members are extremely 2140 03:12:06,120 --> 03:12:14,960 trustworthy and capable and qualified to make the decisions but that's not a 2141 03:12:11,640 --> 03:12:20,720 reason to sidestep the legislative process that we put you we trust you to 2142 03:12:18,920 --> 03:12:24,800 go into government and make these decisions on our 2143 03:12:23,239 --> 03:12:30,720 behalf it's again this is just one more little 2144 03:12:27,640 --> 03:12:37,399 thing that erods the very Foundation of this represented government um so I 2145 03:12:35,239 --> 03:12:42,399 would say no if if this is just a matter of convenience and we might not make a 2146 03:12:40,000 --> 03:12:47,720 Time issue then you know what call a special meeting we can do that but it 2147 03:12:45,000 --> 03:12:52,000 takes three elected council members to make something happen in this city and 2148 03:12:49,960 --> 03:12:57,399 and I'd hate to see us start stepping away from that again okay thank you got 2149 03:12:55,160 --> 03:13:01,399 question Mr L thank thank you for that um did you did you watch the meeting 2150 03:12:59,800 --> 03:13:05,600 when we discussed this when first I did not okay no no um so if you do watch 2151 03:13:03,800 --> 03:13:09,160 that you you will see that your concerns were were raised by the council and 2152 03:13:07,520 --> 03:13:13,160 that's why it's coming back to us and and I did speak with one council member 2153 03:13:10,800 --> 03:13:17,520 on this and and I was made aware of that I you know it's just important the 2154 03:13:15,319 --> 03:13:23,080 process is so important and we we can't ever sidestep it in in in all 2155 03:13:20,760 --> 03:13:28,439 applications of government and policy creation and and adhering to policy 2156 03:13:26,319 --> 03:13:34,640 thank you thank you do we have any other other comment 2157 03:13:31,319 --> 03:13:39,120 no sir all right we'll bring it back for discussion thoughts yeah so the the 2158 03:13:37,600 --> 03:13:44,279 title of the resolution didn't really change so I don't think it meets the 2159 03:13:41,560 --> 03:13:51,359 spirit of what we were kind of contemplating originally um and it kind 2160 03:13:47,920 --> 03:13:57,600 of goes back to Mr Len's comments um we as a current Council um we're we 2161 03:13:55,479 --> 03:14:02,439 typically and it's just because of our current Council and probably the two 2162 03:13:58,920 --> 03:14:09,160 before we avoid any large political issues that aren't to a direct benefit 2163 03:14:05,520 --> 03:14:13,680 of our residents and our city um that's just kind of been 2164 03:14:10,520 --> 03:14:18,720 a just a quiet policy that we've we've kind of fell into because all all we're 2165 03:14:16,720 --> 03:14:26,520 focused on is this city and the benefit of this city um so I don't know that 2166 03:14:24,040 --> 03:14:30,359 that the title is really referencing and that was our consensus when we talked 2167 03:14:27,960 --> 03:14:33,720 about this um the first time so I don't think I don't know that we need to 2168 03:14:31,640 --> 03:14:39,560 change the title but the title is a little misleading um are from what I 2169 03:14:36,479 --> 03:14:46,080 recall and I asked the question um the reason we wanted to do this was 2170 03:14:43,120 --> 03:14:50,479 because we have Regional partners that are sometimes asking for funding and 2171 03:14:48,840 --> 03:14:56,359 would like to have a letter to go along with it for their benefit um and we 2172 03:14:54,160 --> 03:15:03,960 can't call a special meeting to do that generally um and if there's a issue 2173 03:14:59,840 --> 03:15:09,200 that that is of regional state or federal legislation regulation that is 2174 03:15:06,800 --> 03:15:12,560 important to us we we you generally have time for that to come to the council for 2175 03:15:10,640 --> 03:15:18,880 us to discuss go through the legislative process have policy and approve it so um 2176 03:15:15,800 --> 03:15:24,560 I'm thinking because of section 2 a 1 2 and 3 it still is in the spirit of our 2177 03:15:21,760 --> 03:15:28,720 discussion but um again I think the title might be a little 2178 03:15:26,040 --> 03:15:32,080 mislead you know based on what you just said there there was something that I 2179 03:15:30,520 --> 03:15:36,319 pulled out of there that that it may be worth making a change and and it's the 2180 03:15:34,319 --> 03:15:42,160 time sensitive nature of it right when you said with with many of the federal 2181 03:15:39,359 --> 03:15:47,239 state and and sometimes even local one items 2182 03:15:44,040 --> 03:15:52,359 um if it's on its its regular path we we've got time but but I think you know 2183 03:15:49,760 --> 03:15:55,600 the Crux of this the core of this is the time sensitivity right I mean the 2184 03:15:54,000 --> 03:16:00,640 perfect example was our neighbors in Arcadia was looking at an alternative 2185 03:15:57,720 --> 03:16:06,160 transportation plan grant funding that would directly benefit us not only from 2186 03:16:03,560 --> 03:16:11,439 from our relationship with them but there could have been you know we we we 2187 03:16:08,080 --> 03:16:17,600 could be supporting bike Lanes on you know on um Orange Grove that would B 2188 03:16:16,120 --> 03:16:21,199 directly benefit our our residents and we missed it because we had to move a 2189 03:16:19,040 --> 03:16:25,279 meeting so to me like that the part of the core of this is that time sensitive 2190 03:16:23,199 --> 03:16:29,239 nature of it that that maybe that's that's something that should be added 2191 03:16:26,560 --> 03:16:33,680 here I'd love to others thoughts on it agreed and the reason we decided to have 2192 03:16:32,120 --> 03:16:38,279 the mayor of Des because we didn't want to wholly because it's not always going 2193 03:16:35,760 --> 03:16:43,080 to be Jose we wish it would be right um but we didn't want to wholly leave that 2194 03:16:40,080 --> 03:16:46,600 that decision up to the city manager uh we wanted to have at least one member of 2195 03:16:44,680 --> 03:16:50,680 this Council um weigh in and whether or not they believe the council would kind 2196 03:16:49,199 --> 03:16:54,080 of agree with it right and I think that was a spirit of I know it's a little off 2197 03:16:52,399 --> 03:16:58,720 topic from your comment but I think that was a spirit of why we wanted the mayor 2198 03:16:57,160 --> 03:17:02,279 we want at least one person design designate if we have three people that's 2199 03:17:00,399 --> 03:17:06,680 a brown act issue right we need to call a meeting so that's that's why we decide 2200 03:17:04,920 --> 03:17:12,279 on the mayor can I comment on this too because that was my original worry is 2201 03:17:10,319 --> 03:17:16,279 that we're not always going to be here Jose is not always going to be here and 2202 03:17:13,399 --> 03:17:21,199 we've seen in the past we've had issues with City managers and city council 2203 03:17:18,800 --> 03:17:27,680 members that have gone to Cahoots and things weren't done on the up and up and 2204 03:17:23,239 --> 03:17:33,720 it held us liable as well as it was just not moral and ethical and so the problem 2205 03:17:31,680 --> 03:17:37,800 I do have is that what if it's not us what if it's not you and you and we've 2206 03:17:36,239 --> 03:17:44,479 implemented this well so is there is there a report 2207 03:17:40,640 --> 03:17:50,600 back on this does it come back it it if if there was something on it did the the 2208 03:17:47,479 --> 03:17:54,399 resolution I don't believe and correct me you guys all read these real closely 2209 03:17:53,000 --> 03:18:00,120 I don't know that there it has to be reported back at the next 2210 03:17:57,520 --> 03:18:03,319 meeting it it there is it says all policy positions adopted by the city 2211 03:18:01,640 --> 03:18:07,199 manager design shall be communicated to the council at the next regularly 2212 03:18:05,080 --> 03:18:12,520 scheduled there we go city council earlier in writing 2213 03:18:09,399 --> 03:18:17,960 great I mean that to me so what if we added two members which which like we do 2214 03:18:15,520 --> 03:18:21,279 for an at hoc committee what if what if it's two members of 2215 03:18:19,720 --> 03:18:25,000 council instead of just the mayor and someone else or what if it's the mayor 2216 03:18:23,199 --> 03:18:29,279 and another council member so so My worry is there's times when a mayor and 2217 03:18:27,199 --> 03:18:33,840 and a city council member are in cahoots and something bad happens so so then how 2218 03:18:32,319 --> 03:18:38,080 do you choose the second one because because if 2219 03:18:35,600 --> 03:18:42,199 it'sot if it's In Cahoots on it you could still have the Cahoots I I would I 2220 03:18:40,199 --> 03:18:47,880 would rather go mayor mayor Pro 10 because you've got that um that that 2221 03:18:45,960 --> 03:18:51,319 relationship or already built into the way we do things could it just be like 2222 03:18:49,479 --> 03:18:54,399 like we normally do designate the mayor and another council member or two 2223 03:18:52,640 --> 03:18:58,439 council members which would normally default to the mayor but let's say 2224 03:18:56,279 --> 03:19:02,760 you're not available either council member low if if you did it that way 2225 03:19:00,840 --> 03:19:05,720 without any kind of undefined term it would become a standing committee and 2226 03:19:04,279 --> 03:19:09,760 that would also be subject to the brown act got it right right so it would have 2227 03:19:07,399 --> 03:19:15,399 to be designated mayor mayor proam or something or does that matter either way 2228 03:19:12,199 --> 03:19:20,399 it becomes a committee yeah if you're if if we're having the mayor and and the 2229 03:19:16,920 --> 03:19:23,640 mayor protem working together to review all 2230 03:19:21,359 --> 03:19:27,439 resolutions it we're not calling the committee 2231 03:19:25,120 --> 03:19:33,439 but smells like a committee I just don't like it that I trust us 100% but it 2232 03:19:31,600 --> 03:19:37,840 really worries me because I've been here for 50 years 2233 03:19:35,479 --> 03:19:41,199 now even though not I'm all aware since all the whole time but I've seen things 2234 03:19:39,439 --> 03:19:47,880 that you're like huh are you talking about entire 2235 03:19:43,600 --> 03:19:52,000 councils In Cahoots or just and we are this could be so this ordinance can be 2236 03:19:50,199 --> 03:19:59,479 repealed or rescinded by the council that sees somebody sees a a city manager 2237 03:19:57,120 --> 03:20:02,720 and a mayor that are not on the up and up but you'd have to actually see a 2238 03:20:01,000 --> 03:20:06,239 violation at that point it doesn't because it' be reported in the very next 2239 03:20:07,000 --> 03:20:15,479 meeting I see say I'm just hyper sensitive to to transparency because 2240 03:20:12,560 --> 03:20:19,960 I've seen it happen here what if then they present the report that's worded 2241 03:20:17,800 --> 03:20:24,680 like they want it to be said in other words we don't we don't 2242 03:20:22,600 --> 03:20:28,960 know exactly what happens except that we trust our reports are are valid and that 2243 03:20:27,479 --> 03:20:34,600 they're trustworthy and that this is the honest 2244 03:20:30,399 --> 03:20:38,279 truth so if we violate that if they violate someone else violates that 2245 03:20:36,279 --> 03:20:43,520 they're going to report what they want about anything here's what I'm 2246 03:20:39,640 --> 03:20:47,960 struggling with government today is so all all these agencies public 2247 03:20:45,399 --> 03:20:53,199 authorities are are also intertwined with one another this the league of 2248 03:20:50,880 --> 03:20:57,479 cities for is very instructive League of cities actually has 2249 03:20:54,840 --> 03:21:02,880 influence uh and it's dependent upon the city members of the league of cities 2250 03:20:59,160 --> 03:21:07,560 actually working together to speak as one voice in Sacramento and that has 2251 03:21:05,359 --> 03:21:12,239 benefits for the members who participate and there are other organizations like 2252 03:21:09,040 --> 03:21:16,000 Cog where where same things going on and maybe we get a call from Cog and we got 2253 03:21:14,160 --> 03:21:19,600 and we don't have time to have a meeting but we need to so there's a practical 2254 03:21:18,120 --> 03:21:25,279 side to this that maybe I don't know if it's existed back in the golden years 2255 03:21:21,720 --> 03:21:30,720 but I suspect it didn't I I suspect the intergovernmental relationships are are 2256 03:21:27,920 --> 03:21:34,800 more important than than ever before that's why I was open to discussing this 2257 03:21:32,840 --> 03:21:39,920 because I have the same concerns about transparency that you do Chris as a 2258 03:21:37,319 --> 03:21:44,800 student of government I I I certainly don't need to be reminded of how how 2259 03:21:42,439 --> 03:21:50,160 easy it is for corruption to uh weasel its way into a system so I'm really torn 2260 03:21:47,640 --> 03:21:55,239 on this I mean I I I'm I'm really torn right down the middle on this and I'm 2261 03:21:52,640 --> 03:21:59,680 with you both with with the transparency and all those issues but the catalyst is 2262 03:21:57,080 --> 03:22:04,199 a request from a neighboring agency and so I I'm trying to where's the 2263 03:22:02,239 --> 03:22:09,000 corruption there generally um because it's that's the Catalyst only right or a 2264 03:22:07,000 --> 03:22:12,640 member of an organization which the city is a member I guess I guess I me League 2265 03:22:11,359 --> 03:22:17,840 of cities you know city of Arcadia city of 2266 03:22:14,920 --> 03:22:20,080 Monro a South pass so anything else would have to be an 2267 03:22:18,920 --> 03:22:24,640 emergency meeting if anything else that we 2268 03:22:22,800 --> 03:22:28,080 anything outside the perimeters of a position that request of a neighboring 2269 03:22:26,160 --> 03:22:32,960 public agency or a member organization of which city is a member so if that was 2270 03:22:30,680 --> 03:22:36,279 like a special meeting not an emergency meeting sorry thank you sorry special 2271 03:22:34,560 --> 03:22:41,479 meeting thanks because I know we've had we have 2272 03:22:39,199 --> 03:22:47,640 had opportunities that we missed because of this you know if you s if you if we 2273 03:22:44,560 --> 03:22:51,120 if if our city manager and or may may or think that it's a good idea that it 2274 03:22:49,120 --> 03:22:57,760 might have a benefit if a law passes or something policy changes higher than us 2275 03:22:55,080 --> 03:23:02,239 and it does and we've we've played a role in that then it's not just that the 2276 03:22:59,520 --> 03:23:05,720 law passes we've also helped the people that were working with so you know that 2277 03:23:04,800 --> 03:23:08,840 they're they're going to be more inclined to help us in the future as 2278 03:23:07,439 --> 03:23:13,160 well and we're and we're talking about support or nonsupport issues right is 2279 03:23:11,800 --> 03:23:17,880 that right Jean is that how you're reading it yeah yeah not changing 2280 03:23:15,960 --> 03:23:21,960 policies for our city no no no no we're talking about resources that we might be 2281 03:23:19,319 --> 03:23:25,960 able to use like for bears for instance that might be beneficial to other 2282 03:23:23,359 --> 03:23:30,640 agencies as well or maybe they we all vote for bears and maybe they they 2283 03:23:28,880 --> 03:23:35,359 they're happy to or we help them on something in the future that we know 2284 03:23:32,800 --> 03:23:41,439 would be beneficial to them or at least advocate for them in terms of 2285 03:23:38,439 --> 03:23:41,439 resources 2286 03:23:42,760 --> 03:23:50,720 yeah I do like the addition of support rep an increase in or opposes a decrease 2287 03:23:48,479 --> 03:23:56,840 in resources yeah a12 and three I think 2288 03:23:53,359 --> 03:23:59,960 limit this severely um to avoid yeah I we had because we had the discussion 2289 03:23:58,640 --> 03:24:05,199 these were added because of the discussion avoid those corruption type 2290 03:24:03,080 --> 03:24:08,880 issues right and I really appreciate your title change because I think that's 2291 03:24:07,000 --> 03:24:11,080 what I think I was still triggering on was 2292 03:24:11,239 --> 03:24:18,359 like we can change it yeah absolutely and I don't know what we change it to 2293 03:24:15,680 --> 03:24:18,359 but 2294 03:24:18,479 --> 03:24:29,800 it is trigger I was like whoa so so when this when uh this gets past it's a 2295 03:24:25,439 --> 03:24:35,439 resolution then then how does it how does it enter into like the 2296 03:24:32,800 --> 03:24:39,359 overall administrative record so like like how does how do does do future 2297 03:24:37,520 --> 03:24:43,399 Council know what this is like in an ordinance you go you go to the ordinance 2298 03:24:41,000 --> 03:24:52,199 and you can look up the ordinance right how do you know that this other than um 2299 03:24:46,479 --> 03:24:55,840 um the the the the uh knowledge of Staff or council members at some point in the 2300 03:24:54,520 --> 03:24:58,600 future how do people know that this resolution is still around I'll defer to 2301 03:24:57,560 --> 03:25:05,279 the city clerk Mr Mayor resolutions are uh 2302 03:25:01,960 --> 03:25:10,359 typically policy driven and so the uh city council and they and they become 2303 03:25:07,800 --> 03:25:17,000 effective immediately upon the council's approval uh but they can also be amended 2304 03:25:13,720 --> 03:25:22,160 or they can be um cancelled with Council approval as well uh they 2305 03:25:20,840 --> 03:25:28,080 they are not usually part of the um Municipal 2306 03:25:25,479 --> 03:25:33,640 Code unless they're used to amend an existing Municipal Code but um they are 2307 03:25:31,160 --> 03:25:38,199 there is a log of them kept and then and the resolutions are also kept in the 2308 03:25:35,439 --> 03:25:41,960 book the council and City staff through institutional knowledge would have to 2309 03:25:39,479 --> 03:25:46,960 know that the policies exist and incorporate them through regular use so 2310 03:25:44,199 --> 03:25:51,880 so if it's not used they there may right now be a resolution out there that gives 2311 03:25:50,000 --> 03:25:56,080 us guidance or gives us a policy Direction on something that we're not 2312 03:25:54,680 --> 03:26:02,720 following because we don't know about because it just it just in in natural 2313 03:25:58,760 --> 03:26:09,239 turnover of of of staff and counsel and everyone it it may just be collecting 2314 03:26:06,000 --> 03:26:14,560 dust it's possible yeah okay city clerk agular I I know you I know you as city 2315 03:26:12,000 --> 03:26:18,680 clerk are The Keeper of the book of resolutions yes is there also some kind 2316 03:26:17,040 --> 03:26:23,160 of index of resolutions that can be referenced we do 2317 03:26:21,279 --> 03:26:29,800 have a log of the resolutions that are kept but it's it's a log that goes that 2318 03:26:26,199 --> 03:26:35,640 spans over a number of years and so uh the the council if if it's inquiring 2319 03:26:33,319 --> 03:26:40,760 about or or interested in creating a policy or amending a policy we could 2320 03:26:38,680 --> 03:26:46,359 look into the index to see if it already exists or if it's something that could 2321 03:26:42,680 --> 03:26:50,479 just be amended um but to your point there could be potentially some 2322 03:26:48,040 --> 03:26:55,600 resolutions that are that are not being utilized got it I want to Circle back 2323 03:26:54,279 --> 03:27:01,880 I've taken us on a little bit of a detour but to to Mayor pm and council 2324 03:26:59,080 --> 03:27:08,720 member Garcia are there edits you'd like to make to the the title of the 2325 03:27:04,120 --> 03:27:12,960 resolution that would make it less I think triggering was the word I 2326 03:27:19,399 --> 03:27:26,479 well first I guess it's establishing a legislative advocacy policy and 2327 03:27:24,160 --> 03:27:31,520 authorizing the city manager manager to take policy 2328 03:27:29,080 --> 03:27:35,000 positions on local regional state federal legislation so it's the whole 2329 03:27:33,319 --> 03:27:41,439 legislation regulation initiatives or opportunities but it doesn't say 2330 03:27:36,279 --> 03:27:45,760 anything about what the three bless you um take a position on request of 2331 03:27:43,680 --> 03:27:51,960 neighboring has to be and it goes to like see right if the city manager takes 2332 03:27:48,160 --> 03:27:57,120 a PO poos and it's about correspondence stating we support supportive amended 2333 03:27:54,199 --> 03:28:01,840 oppose or oppose unless amended I mean that's really what we're allowing um 2334 03:27:59,199 --> 03:28:06,160 correspondence or a letter of support or non-support and not changing our 2335 03:28:04,080 --> 03:28:11,239 policies not changing our legislation or or state legislation or so the spirit of 2336 03:28:08,479 --> 03:28:20,040 that I think should be so I'm wondering if if we we change it to say um 2337 03:28:17,239 --> 03:28:25,040 something about responding to requests if we could work responding to requests 2338 03:28:22,640 --> 03:28:31,640 or timely I like that timely responding to requests in there because because 2339 03:28:27,000 --> 03:28:36,399 we're not really it's it we are we are having legislative ad advocacy but it 2340 03:28:34,439 --> 03:28:41,399 what we're missing is is that it it's at the request of another body and and I 2341 03:28:38,399 --> 03:28:49,720 think I I think maybe we need to add a sentence saying if if this request 2342 03:28:46,600 --> 03:28:54,160 is needed before the next city council meeting or one of one of those issues 2343 03:28:51,560 --> 03:29:00,080 right so that has to be I think another yeah Catalyst for this to actually be 2344 03:28:57,080 --> 03:29:05,239 used so so are are you saying that under a you would have um it would be four 2345 03:29:02,720 --> 03:29:10,479 criteria instead of three yes 2346 03:29:08,120 --> 03:29:19,239 okay um because otherwise it could be used 2347 03:29:14,520 --> 03:29:25,560 for L lot EAS yeah to be used right so so um C attorney do you have enough 2348 03:29:23,880 --> 03:29:28,840 guidance here to come back with another draft on this I mean I I don't think it 2349 03:29:27,399 --> 03:29:35,560 okay good because I don't think it makes sense for us to to um SM words SM that 2350 03:29:33,000 --> 03:29:44,080 here at the um so when it comes back do we need to 2351 03:29:40,080 --> 03:29:48,840 have it as discussion or so we can so it can come back as as a consent item 2352 03:29:46,920 --> 03:29:54,000 uh mayor Can it can come back as a consent item and the direction I have is 2353 03:29:50,600 --> 03:29:58,520 to change the title to correspond with uh 2354 03:29:55,120 --> 03:30:06,359 the uh the intent of the council and also to add a fourth element to 2355 03:30:01,199 --> 03:30:12,439 paragraph a to be uh that if the request comes before the next regularly 2356 03:30:09,439 --> 03:30:18,680 scheduled city council meeting but it's I even I don't know 2357 03:30:15,640 --> 03:30:24,319 because it we're even talking about um sometimes we can't call a um a special 2358 03:30:21,319 --> 03:30:30,000 meeting right and do we even want to call a special meeting for something as 2359 03:30:26,560 --> 03:30:33,520 is right so I don't even know if if we include the special meeting portion or 2360 03:30:31,399 --> 03:30:37,880 just say if it comes be if the decision needs to be or the letter needs to be 2361 03:30:34,960 --> 03:30:43,319 sent prior to the next regularly scheduled council 2362 03:30:40,000 --> 03:30:47,359 meeting and I would just point out that almost it's almost always the case that 2363 03:30:45,199 --> 03:30:53,680 the city council can call a special meeting and address one of these 2364 03:30:49,199 --> 03:30:57,920 concerns um but the issue is the time gap between your regular meetings is 2365 03:30:55,239 --> 03:31:03,560 that a is that a 36- hour noticing uh the regular meetings is is 72h hour 2366 03:31:00,600 --> 03:31:08,760 special meeting is 24 hours 24 hours okay 2367 03:31:06,239 --> 03:31:13,199 so if we were to to to if we were to give you guidance and it comes back on 2368 03:31:11,399 --> 03:31:17,120 consent do we need to to vote on it tonight to give that we agree with 2369 03:31:14,840 --> 03:31:21,080 Direction Okay so it's okay to come back on consent and and the council's 2370 03:31:19,359 --> 03:31:25,439 comfortable with the the edits that are there I mean we'll have a chance to vote 2371 03:31:23,040 --> 03:31:28,160 on it then and but it will be on consent discuss it twice and it gives the public 2372 03:31:26,800 --> 03:31:33,279 another chance to give public comment on it I I like that idea will be able to 2373 03:31:31,160 --> 03:31:38,800 because she had some poignant points last time too all 2374 03:31:36,359 --> 03:31:47,840 right thank you all right so then that takes us to uh future agenda items so um 2375 03:31:43,600 --> 03:31:47,840 do we have any future agenda 2376 03:31:48,040 --> 03:31:56,680 so in discussion with code 2377 03:31:52,880 --> 03:32:00,080 1220 070 duty of abuting land owners to cultivate trees on public property the 2378 03:31:58,520 --> 03:32:04,160 reason I'm asking about investigating this is this came up also when we talked 2379 03:32:02,040 --> 03:32:10,520 with the fire safe Council about who's responsible for trimming the trees and 2380 03:32:06,520 --> 03:32:16,680 the brush that's in the way um and what if you don't have a sidewalk and what if 2381 03:32:12,120 --> 03:32:21,120 the tree is on city property and we know if it's easy on sa property it's their 2382 03:32:18,560 --> 03:32:25,319 responsibility if it's it's part of the fire codes or making us safer um and if 2383 03:32:23,720 --> 03:32:30,239 it's on private property it's there so what do we do about these areas that are 2384 03:32:28,560 --> 03:32:35,399 we're not sure like do do literally they all going 2385 03:32:32,720 --> 03:32:38,800 to have to call the city and everyone and you're going to have to go out there 2386 03:32:36,359 --> 03:32:46,479 and check the exact area check the parcel maps and decide on that and does 2387 03:32:43,279 --> 03:32:51,359 and does our fire department have that parcel map so when they go to request 2388 03:32:48,720 --> 03:32:55,560 people do brush AB bment they're advising someone to trim their trees and 2389 03:32:53,120 --> 03:33:00,359 it could be our property all right I don't have anything 2390 03:32:58,600 --> 03:33:04,880 I don't have anything C man is that enough to okay 2391 03:33:10,359 --> 03:33:17,560 great so while he's waiting to clarify so I hear there's nothing from from 2392 03:33:14,040 --> 03:33:21,399 either of you gentlemen okay great we're going to look at triming of trees 2393 03:33:20,120 --> 03:33:28,199 and Parkways areas that 2394 03:33:25,120 --> 03:33:33,840 are so staff will will come back with treatment of trees in Parkways and areas 2395 03:33:32,080 --> 03:33:38,000 uh that are we have blurred blurred lines and who the responsibility is to 2396 03:33:36,319 --> 03:33:42,520 trim the trees especially as the conversation came up tonight could we 2397 03:33:40,560 --> 03:33:48,160 there's not an obvious obvious sidewalk and Parkway and then if in the Cod if it 2398 03:33:46,199 --> 03:33:54,600 says that the resident is responsible for the public property 2399 03:33:51,279 --> 03:33:57,520 line does that mean that if if that tree is in front of my house and it's 2400 03:33:55,960 --> 03:34:02,920 actually you know a tree that could endanger my home like the branches are 2401 03:34:00,199 --> 03:34:06,279 laying on my house does that mean that I'm responsible now for also the fire 2402 03:34:04,920 --> 03:34:11,279 safety and trimming that tree even though it's on public 2403 03:34:08,520 --> 03:34:15,479 land I I'd like to to expand just slightly instead of trimming I'd like to 2404 03:34:12,680 --> 03:34:17,680 say management okay thank you much better 2405 03:34:16,120 --> 03:34:22,040 [Laughter] because you know I've got palm trees in 2406 03:34:19,239 --> 03:34:26,520 front of mine and you know if I could be out there with a chainsaw the next day 2407 03:34:23,720 --> 03:34:32,319 if if that was if I were allowed to do that not that I would but I could and so 2408 03:34:29,920 --> 03:34:37,239 you know I think that's to be part of the 2409 03:34:34,040 --> 03:34:41,399 conversation thank you great then um at this point look for a motion to adjourn 2410 03:34:39,560 --> 03:34:45,920 move to adjourn second second all in favor I I all right we are adjourned 2411 03:34:43,640 --> 03:34:48,720 till February 25th can someone help me with Genesis real 2412 03:35:14,640 --> 03:35:17,640 quick 2413 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