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[12:01] thank you all very much and thank I'd
like to thank all the public for
[12:06] um the their patience with us as we get
started tonight Madam clerk can you um
[12:13] call the role yes sir thank
you uh 543 mayor Robert Parkhurst presid
[12:22] mayor protm Christine low present
council member Edward Garcia present
[12:27] council member Jean Goss here and Mr
Mayor uh council member Kelly creeps was
[12:32] previously excused great thank you so
much all right uh tonight for our Pledge
[12:37] of Allegiance and inspiration uh council
member gos could you take us sure please
[12:42] rise if you can and face the
flag ready begin I pledge allegiance to
[12:49] the flag of the United States of America
and to the Republic for which it stands
[12:55] one nation under God indivisible
justice for all you be
[13:04] seated we're trying to figure out what
to say for inspiration sometimes it's a
[13:09] challenge I thought maybe something
light-hearted tonight but maybe related
[13:13] to city government in a tangential way
so I found an article published
[13:20] today uh in Europe at the radio Prague
website in the Czech
[13:25] Republic and it's about how a beaver
colony
[13:29] successfully completed a public works
project so I'm going to read the article
[13:36] verba him I can't improve on this a
beaver colony in the birdie region has
[13:42] gained overnight Fame by building
several dams in the birdie protected
[13:46] landscape area creating a natural
Wetland exactly where it was needed it
[13:52] saved the local authorities $1.3 million
and has the public cracking jokes about
[13:57] public administration and
tape they could have not have chosen
[14:01] their location better erecting the dams
on a bypass Gully that was built by
[14:07] soldiers in the former military base
years ago to drain the area the
[14:11] revitalization project drafted by
environmentalists was supposed to remedy
[14:16] this Mr fizer head of the birdie
protected landscape area Administration
[14:22] says nature took its course and the
Beavers created the necessary botot
[14:27] conditions practically overnight quote
the military Forest management and the
[14:32] vava River Basin were negotiating with
each other to set up the project and
[14:37] address issues regarding ownership of
the land the Beavers beat them to it
[14:42] saving us $1.3 million they built the
dams without any project documentation
[14:48] and for
free zoologist Zuri vilek said the local
[14:54] Administration was no competition for
the beaver Colony quote beavers are able
[14:59] able to build a dam in one night two
nights at most while people have to get
[15:03] building permits get the building
project approved and find the money for
[15:07] it environmentalists who inspected the
work said the wet land and pools the
[15:12] Beavers created will offer good
conditions for the rare Stone crayfish
[15:17] frogs and other species that thrive on
Wetlands said yav oberm head of the
[15:23] central Bohemian Office of the Czech
nature and Landscape Protection Agency
[15:28] quote beavers always know best the
places where they build dams are always
[15:33] chosen right better than we design it on
paper so I don't know what to take from
[15:39] that except that as a public entity that
sometimes has to contract out maybe we
[15:44] should increase the scope of our bids
and maybe uh see if some colonies of
[15:48] beavers are available
sometime Mr Mayor I yield the floor back
[15:53] to you yes well put well put excellent
all right um so now we'll move on to the
[16:01] next item on the agenda which is um the
approval of the meeting agenda uh we
[16:07] have um there's two items we have
requests to to modify um so I'm going to
[16:15] turn to City attorney garoian for uh the
the first item and then I'll bring up
[16:20] the second uh mayor thank you in light
of The reigns that are going to begin on
[16:27] Wednesday and continue on I believe
through Friday uh the city manager has
[16:32] requested that we place an item for
discussion on the agenda on an emergency
[16:36] basis in order to do so we'll need a
vote of the entire Council to approve
[16:41] plac that on the agenda and I believe
staff does have a presentation if the
[16:45] city council chooses to place it on the
agenda that's the first one and and that
[16:49] would be in the discussion section is
that correct or would it be in the it it
[16:55] it would be a discussion item correct
mayor great okay and and the second one
[16:59] would be uh rearranging the discussion
items um obviously this is going to be
[17:06] your the council's prerogative uh but
placing consideration of ordinance 1478
[17:12] before sign placement would be the
request and then perhaps if you wanted
[17:17] to have the uh discussion item for this
emergency uh consideration of of The
[17:24] reigns you can place that first have
consideration of the ordinance 1478
[17:28] second and then sign placement third
would be an option okay i' like to amend
[17:33] the agenda to reflect the city
attorney's proposal I'll second that
[17:38] great all in favor I I any opposed great
the uh agenda has been adopted
[17:46] unanimously next we have back up back to
you uh City attorney G goian for a
[17:51] report out from closed session thank you
mayor the city council met in closed
[17:56] session on January 28th to discuss
initiation of litigation no reportable
[18:02] action was taken the city council again
met today uh under that same agenda item
[18:08] initiation of litigation again no
reportable action was taken great thank
[18:12] you all right uh next item on the agenda
is the approval for reading resolutions
[18:17] and ordinances by title only so moved do
I have a second second all in favor I
[18:26] all right then um we've got the meeting
minutes um if I can turn it to the city
[18:33] clerk um
to um to walk us through that that item
[18:39] we've got I think two items on that yes
sir thank you Mr Mayor the agenda
[18:45] currently lists three sets of uh meeting
minutes however the January 9th minutes
[18:50] were previously approved as amended and
so um those do not require a second
[18:57] approval the um city council has asked
to consider the approval of the January
[19:03] 21st special meeting minutes and the
approval of the January 28 2025 city
[19:08] council regular meeting minutes the city
clerk's office did receive a request
[19:14] from uh mayor Parkhurst suggesting
non-substantive amendments uh
[19:19] specifically to the January 21st meeting
minutes page three we were asked to
[19:24] change to uh from mayor crebs to Mayor
Parkhurst on page 20 uh council member
[19:30] low requested uh an item on motorized
bikes and scooters and safety
[19:35] regulations and then to the January 28th
meeting minutes it was suggested that we
[19:40] uh make an amendment to the minutes to
reflect that council member crebs
[19:45] um the pronouns be changed on uh on that
sentence in the second
[19:51] paragraph cler um one one more on um on
the January 21st my my apologies um not
[19:59] just the motorized bikes and scooters
but also the community risk reduction
[20:02] officer those were both uh mayor Pro
Temp
[20:06] low and um I believe I'm I'm noted
there thank you any other edits to the
[20:14] minutes then I'll entertain a motion for
approval I move to approve as amended
[20:20] second all in favor all all
right Madam cler do we need separate or
[20:26] can we put this together it it can be
done as one one hole great all right uh
[20:31] then we'll move to Mayor and city
council reports uh Council MOS why don't
[20:35] you go first
okay
[20:38] um on February 3rd I attended the
meeting of the ad hoc Library project
[20:44] committee here at City Hall the meeting
was well attended we did miss a meeting
[20:50] in January because of the fires and we
got some good and some bad news I'll
[20:55] share the bad news first as you can
imagine the fire is tapped into a
[20:59] significant amount of staff time in
January and that kind of set us back in
[21:04] terms of time and then an in congruency
was found between the architectural
[21:08] survey and the Civil survey so that took
several weeks for that a redesign to
[21:14] take place so they became congruent and
can be used and in total those
[21:19] developments put us back about a month
the good news is that we are in the
[21:24] clear now we're proceeding with uh the
remaining
[21:29] avation the also the original time
estimates were very well padded so the
[21:34] target date for completion will still be
January 31st 2026 the project manager is
[21:42] is very confident that that will take
place um and we are particularly uh
[21:48] happy to hear that they've gotten over
all the major hurdles all the unexpected
[21:52] things are pretty much taken care of so
they think work is going to proceed much
[21:57] quicker over the next few months in the
springtime I'd like I think it was
[22:01] referred to as open field running for
the next few months so that's that's a
[22:05] good way to encapsulate this the project
manage uh project management firm has
[22:12] given us a new project manager verx has
uh a new person in named Sandra burga
[22:18] she attended that meeting and it's
diving right in and we'll be working
[22:22] closely with our director of Public
Works and other people associated with
[22:26] the project
uh last Friday the 7th I attended the
[22:31] transportation subcommittee meeting with
my subcommittee meeting colleague mayor
[22:36] parkur very exciting news after a long
long laborious process the subcommittee
[22:42] has completed its original charge and we
will be bringing back a proposal for a
[22:46] new shuttle service and a new dial ride
service for the city at our next city
[22:52] council meeting on February 25th so stay
tuned it's going to be very interesting
[22:56] and exciting I think Mr May thank you so
much uh council member Garcia why don't
[23:02] we kick it to you next thank you uh
there was a meeting of the senior
[23:07] community Commission on February 6th
last
[23:10] Thursday um see chair Croc is an
attendance uh it was a typical meeting
[23:16] except for we had a presentation by uh
City attorney gear goian and Senior
[23:21] planner um wolf regarding the sier Vista
Apartments U there's been some concern
[23:27] um it it is a senior living facility for
the most part uh uh low and very low
[23:32] income uh I think 45 of the 46 units are
designated for that um but uh attorney
[23:39] gagosian gave a very good
overview of the history of um all of the
[23:46] the different agreements and amendments
and
[23:48] ownership and um that was really part
one they tried to keep their meetings to
[23:52] one hour um so we will see a part two I
I'm assuming on March 6th um at the next
[23:58] meeting which will be talking about um
the different Ami levels for very low
[24:03] and low income and the the the rent uh
the amount of rent that can be charged
[24:09] for each of these units because that's
that's one of the large concerns the the
[24:12] rent and the um the maintenance and that
was brought to the commission and um the
[24:19] commission actually got a very quick
response from staff so I was very
[24:22] pleased with that and that's all I have
to report great mayor P um on February
[24:29] 5th I went to different homes with the S
Madre fire Association the firefighters
[24:34] and um was able to really partake in
something kind of nice to be able to go
[24:40] and see the families and the people
whose homes were damaged um and not
[24:44] necessarily lost because you're not able
to walk to a home and help somebody out
[24:47] when they're they're not there but um
they took part in a a pretty good
[24:52] program and neat program that California
fire Foundation put together and they
[24:56] call them the safe cards their uh
supplies Aid to victims of emergency
[25:02] cards that they handed out to every um
person in sir modre who had a damaged or
[25:07] lost home and then um only place in town
also covered a dinner card for about
[25:12] $100 each person so it's really neat to
go and see those people and you know we
[25:16] have a really amazing town where a lot
of the people are like well is there
[25:19] anyone else who could use it more than
me and they you know and they and the
[25:22] people that that really need it they're
still willing to give um and we're
[25:25] seeing that all across a lot of our our
our residents who lost are are out there
[25:30] actually giving back and not and not
receiving help um and then on February
[25:36] 6th I went to the special meeting of La
County's selection committee where we
[25:40] select our uh District Library um
Commissioners and also our Metro
[25:45] Commissioners um and so uh that was a
new experience uh for me and we also got
[25:50] to see all the different council members
and Mayors from all of the cities in in
[25:55] in Los Angeles County um and then on
February 7th
[26:00] um city manager Roso and I really got to
attend one of the most unique and I
[26:06] don't know if this has ever been done
special meetings um ever is um our brand
[26:10] new Senator state senator uh Sasha Renee
Perez as well as our um Senate leader
[26:17] Mike Maguire held a round table and we
thought we were going just to hear all
[26:21] the needs that all of our cities have
experienced during this um disaster and
[26:26] instead it was almost every single
senator from all over the whole state so
[26:31] I was sitting next to the senator for um
uh a more southern region and we got to
[26:37] speak with the senator for uh Santa
Barbara that dealt with the mudslide in
[26:43] um in mono so it was a really great
experience one of the things that we
[26:48] really brought up of course was our mud
flow U mitigation what are we going to
[26:51] do and what can we do um and we got put
in some so we got put into uh contact
[26:57] with the um people that worked with the
other mud flows uh in the Santa Barbara
[27:03] County um what are small businesses able
to do besides just grants um army cor of
[27:08] engineer removal debris and insurance
companies and all this information will
[27:11] come to you um we'll be able to feed it
out to you particularly in a later time
[27:15] in uh a town hall meeting um and uh also
with seniors we're seeing our seniors
[27:20] really have a lot of deficits right now
because they've been impacted they had
[27:23] to evacuate so their um comprehension is
lower they're not good with tech
[27:28] technology so how are they able to fill
out all of this paperwork and get it in
[27:31] at the dates so there's um funding
available as well as positions available
[27:35] that to go out to community and help
seniors um school funding what are we
[27:40] going to do with all the students that
we've lost as well as uh the change in
[27:43] your property assessments what's going
to happen if you have to rebuild so it
[27:46] was a really exciting time to really
collaborate with with
[27:53] everybody thank you very much and thank
you for representing the city uh at the
[27:58] LA uh County selection committee and the
uh special meeting um so uh my report uh
[28:05] January 29th I attended the opening of
the sarer middle school and got to see
[28:11] um the first day there and what they
were doing to help uh support all of the
[28:16] students that you know the first day
back and and all of the uh wraparound
[28:21] services that they've got for them uh on
January 31st I attended uh a uh assembly
[28:27] round round table for our Assembly
District uh with assembly member uh
[28:32] herian and a number of other cities
attended and we got uh you know it was a
[28:36] really a listening session uh that uh
what all the cities needed and what what
[28:42] feed you know what do they want from
from the assembly district uh city
[28:46] manager Roso also attended that with me
uh and it was a it was a good
[28:50] conversation and and we got some some
good information out of that which along
[28:54] with the information from the uh Senate
meeting I think we we'll pull together
[28:58] and get out to the
community um on February 6th the clean
[29:02] power Alliance had its board meeting uh
two things to come out of that one of
[29:07] the items is is that um there was a
recent uh CPU California Public
[29:12] Utilities commission's ruling that went
against the uh interest of us as as
[29:18] members of the clean power Alliance from
a financial perspective um that was
[29:23] unfortunate it was even more unfortunate
um that they put it on consent and
[29:27] didn't even have it is a discussion item
and um the report back that we got was
[29:32] the way they uh treated our
Representatives including um our um the
[29:37] county represented County Supervisors
was not not what you would expect of an
[29:42] organization that buys the most
renewable energy in the country um on
[29:47] the more positive side uh we approved a
geothermal project um out of uh Utah I
[29:55] believe is it'll give us U 247 renewable
energy and that'll be coming online I
[29:59] think in
2027 uh and then uh I was also a
[30:04] president of the transportation
committee and nothing additional to
[30:07] report there council member go always
does such a fabulous job reporting out
[30:10] from that uh City announcements so I
have uh three announcements here uh the
[30:17] first one is that the uh that the
seniors are going to be continuing to to
[30:24] host the the senior lunch and food
program Monday through Thursday at the
[30:27] heart Park Center starting at 11:30 a.m.
and if uh and this is is uh sponsored in
[30:35] in cooperation with the YWCA and if you
want more information you can call
[30:41] 626
355
[30:46] 5278 and then also uh with the senior
committee is there accepting nominations
[30:52] for their older American of the year the
nomination forms are available at the
[30:56] senior har Park House
uh and we encourage you to pick up one
[31:00] and help us celebrate the incredible
contributions of our older adults in the
[31:04] community and I a I imagine that there's
a public comment coming up that will uh
[31:09] tell us more about that um then on
Thursday February 13th so two days from
[31:16] now uh the Chamber of Commerce is going
to have a ribbon cutting uh for die
[31:22] pretty over at the uh Kensington from 5:
to 7:00 p.m. uh and and there's a also a
[31:29] mixer associated with that and that is
all we have for City uh city council
[31:37] reports and and public announcements so
now we'll move on to the participation
[31:41] code uh so we're going to open it up for
items not on the agenda and as a part of
[31:47] that we have the uh participation code
which is on back of all of the the cards
[31:51] that are there uh and for the the first
couple of meetings of the year we
[31:56] typically read this so
uh our public participation code of
[32:00] conduct says your participation is
welcomed and invited at all City Council
[32:04] meetings the council requests that
participants refrain from making
[32:08] personal slanderous profane or
disruptive remarks a person who
[32:12] continues to disrupt disrupt the orderly
conduct of the meeting after being
[32:16] warned by the mayor or design to Cease
the disrup disruption may be precluded
[32:21] from further participation in the
meeting no signs posters or other large
[32:26] objects shall be brought into Council
chamber MERS or other meeting place if
[32:30] doing so would disrupt disturb or
otherwise impede the orderly course of
[32:34] the
meeting um if you do want to make a
[32:38] public comment we do ask you to fill out
when the yellow cards and bring it down
[32:41] to the clerk Madame clerk do we have any
public comments for items not on the
[32:45] agenda yes sir thank you Mr Mayor the
city uh clerk's office received three
[32:50] emails that were forwarded to the city
council and they uh first was from
[32:55] George Eaton on Highland uh the second
was from Katrina hits tough on Orange
[33:02] Drive and the third was from Katherine
Addie and um those emails were forwarded
[33:07] to the city council and will be entered
into record we do have uh four comment
[33:12] cards for items not on the agenda the
first of the four is from Pat Croc
[33:29] good evening mayor Parkhurst and City
Council Members I'm Patricia croc from
[33:34] your senior community commission and
first of all belated happy New Year's
[33:39] and uh thank you to all the First
Responders who help save our town I just
[33:45] wanted to bring you up to date on what
happening at the park house this month
[33:50] and other little things that we're
developing for the rest of the year uh
[33:54] as the mayor so noted the lunch program
is in full swing Monday through Thursday
[33:58] at 11:30 and to help enhance that
program and maybe bring in a few more
[34:04] seniors uh on occasion we do little what
we call Little lectures on things that
[34:10] are pertinent to the seniors we had one
recently on how to hang up on phone
[34:15] scammers and how to slam the door in
front of door
[34:19] scammers uh hearing health center clinic
and then last week there was a lung
[34:25] screening clinic for those Vic victims
of well everybody the eaten fire Canyon
[34:31] smoke and if you qualified you were
given a free air filter and so I
[34:37] qualified so my husband's getting that
for Valentine's and and I'm keeping his
[34:42] box the SE so and screening air filters
and also we had a lecture on the
[34:49] importance of enzymes in your nutrition
and these little mini lectures are just
[34:53] maybe a half an hour and they're just
fun and informative Fe February 27th
[34:58] we've got a senior tour booked to go to
the Reagan Library to tour at the Dead
[35:03] Sea Scrolls this coming Thursday the
Valentine social 3:00 at the park house
[35:09] lots of food lots of fun raffle prizes
and just a good time for
[35:15] everyone nominations for the older
American are out through the city and
[35:21] that event will be held in May there'll
be more information on that as we move
[35:26] along March we're running a tour of the
uh Academy of Motion Picture museum for
[35:32] the
seniors uh Bingo's coming up on February
[35:36] 20th at the Hart Park house and we
discussed at our last meeting uh for the
[35:42] month of March having an income tax
professional there at least one day a
[35:46] week to help seniors prepare their
income taxes any of this information is
[35:51] available on the senior moments
newsletter you can call the Park house
[35:55] at
626355 7even no that's my number
[36:00] 626355 what is it
5278 and get put on the senior moments
[36:05] news letter thank
you thank you very much chair
[36:10] Croc city clerk uh thank you Mr Mayor
the next speaker card is from Steve
[36:22] Palmer uh good evening um my name is
Steve Palmer I live at 55 North Hermosa
[36:28] Avenue across uh the cader elementary
school
[36:32] field uh you'll have to pardon me for
trying to read this very quickly as I
[36:36] have 20 plus years excuse me of dealing
with this situation and trying to
[36:41] distill it down to three minutes I'm
here tonight to express my concerns
[36:45] about the increased use of the
elementary school field by the various
[36:48] SE mad baseball teams and the impact
it's having on our neighborhood my wife
[36:52] and I purchased our home in
1977 we've seen the field evolve over
[36:56] the past 48 years from a mostly dirt
field with weeds to a multi-use baseball
[37:02] field over the past 20 years we've met
with City officials and baseball
[37:05] representatives to come up with
solutions that enable teams to play in
[37:09] the field while lessening the negative
impact on our neighborhood unfortunately
[37:13] we've only seen an increase in traffic
congestion parking problems and an
[37:17] increase in noise levels throughout the
years currently the cad Little League
[37:22] Baseball site list seven Baseball Fields
as open as of this morning Heasley Sader
[37:28] ele Elementary School s Sader Middle
School leeski field in Arcadia draer
[37:33] field Blair high school and uh Bonita in
March of 2023 we met with a sir Madre
[37:41] girls baseball rep he told us the uh
field at the middle school was not being
[37:47] used excuse me because needed a major
upgrade for proper drainage I went over
[37:52] to the Middle School field last March
after a heavy rain it appeared to me
[37:56] that there was only minor r off which
could easily be repaired by one or two
[37:59] people within a short period of time the
rep rep also told me the upgrade would
[38:04] be of no cost to the school or the
school district he also said that um the
[38:10] school and School District seemed only
vaguely interested in pursuing the
[38:14] upgrade as mentioned earlier this field
is cons listed as open on the uh SI
[38:19] Moder L League Baseball site last
February I met with Deputy city manager
[38:23] Laura agular to express our concern she
said the baseball league needed $100,000
[38:28] for the upgrade at the middle school but
the league needed $100,000 first to
[38:33] upgrade the lights at Heasley fielded I
asked if some of the impact could be
[38:37] mitigated by disseminating some of
disseminating some of the games to the
[38:41] other fields not having games on Sunday
and that the coaches not play music
[38:46] during the games as the noise of the
teams and parents was already more than
[38:50] sufficient unfortunately none of these
items seem to be addressed I should
[38:54] mention that the baseball league issued
a memo asking people not to park on
[38:58] Hermosa well I appreciate the gesture it
had little effect and even if it did it
[39:03] would only push the problem um to
another neighborhood the leak also said
[39:07] the uh school parking lot on the other
side of the school would be open I've
[39:11] checked several times during games and
the gates were locked and even if the
[39:16] people did park there the primary
problem to me of the noise issue would
[39:20] still
exist okay let's see at one of our
[39:24] meeting uh meetings years back a person
oop okay well let's see in summary I
[39:29] just want to make it clear we are not
against games at the elementary school
[39:33] we hope to see some games there directed
to the other Open Fields no games on
[39:37] Sundays and no music during the games it
would be great to see the city and
[39:41] baseball Community have some awareness
and consideration of the impact of the
[39:46] games are having uh on our neighborhood
thank you great thank you very much Mr
[39:53] Palmer and Mr Mayor I'm I'm I'm going to
flub this last name because I I'm having
[39:58] trouble reading it but the first name is
Brenda and the last name is
[40:04] welcome welome wtz thank
[40:15] you hello it's my first time here um so
I live at 229 North Hermosa directly on
[40:22] the corner right across from the S MRE M
field um I'm just
[40:27] uh kind of highlighting what Steve said
all those concerns and my house is like
[40:33] directly impacted on the weekends the
noise the um trash has been better but
[40:41] the music playing the noise the traffic
I have three cars I I'm able to park one
[40:47] in the uh garage and I have two other
cars my me and my son and my partner um
[40:53] so during the week um when I come home
from work and my son comes home from
[41:00] college we it's very hard for us to park
in our area I either have to park a
[41:06] couple streets over until they're uh
until they leave cleared out or
[41:14] um I don't have anywhere to
park um also the field was it seems like
[41:21] our community we're not even allowed to
use the field um and there's a sign outs
[41:27] side um that I wanted to read real quick
that's that said the community should be
[41:32] able to use it when the the um uh youth
isn't there and when the school is not
[41:38] there but it's always locked and us I
used to walk that field run that field
[41:44] and now we can't even use it the
community can't even use the field on
[41:47] the times that nobody else is there
because it's always locked so um anyway
[41:52] that's kind of been a big issue but uh
especially the parking and uh the
[41:58] traffic I would just
hopefully try to find some kind of uh
[42:04] help with you know what we can do as a
community we can't even use the field
[42:09] anymore our parking is impacted and the
noise just and want the families coming
[42:15] in the baseball family and softball
families to just kind of respect our our
[42:19] the the noise level too and not playing
any music I I came out one Saturday
[42:24] morning at 9:00 in the morning because
they were playing music and it's
[42:28] Saturday morning 9:00 so I went out
there and told them to please stop and
[42:33] they did and just want want to keep up
on that and stuff but anyway these are
[42:38] my concerns and it's hard because it
impacts my um um as a resident here I
[42:46] feel like I have a lot of issues with
the field and the baseball and the
[42:49] softball I mean I understand you know
having to do it but I'm wondering if
[42:53] they could use the other fields like
Steve had mentioned and stuff
[42:57] and just the families be respectful of
our neighborhood and the people who live
[43:01] there and that type of thing anyway
thank you can I can I ask please quick
[43:07] question
ma'am um what your this this increased
[43:12] activity and noise we're hearing about
was this just started this season was
[43:16] this place last year years and it's
gotten worse the
[43:21] last yeah since the since the pandemic
so it hasn't really gone up this year
[43:25] any more than last well um no it has it
has we had a little break with the fires
[43:31] and stuff but now it's back and um not
only do they have practice during the
[43:37] day uh during the um like late
afternoons so during the week it's hard
[43:43] for me to even Park and then Saturdays
they have baseball and then Sundays they
[43:47] have softball too so you have we're
having you know the traffic the parking
[43:52] so this particular year is a little bit
worse than previous year I think it's
[43:55] gotten worse like so every year yeah
yeah just would like for them maybe to
[44:00] use some of the other fields and just to
be respectful of our neighborhood and
[44:04] stuff while they're there thank you m
w mam clerk any other yes thank you the
[44:12] uh final speaker card is from the city
librarian uh City librarian
[44:25] Regan hello mayor Park Hurst and mayor
proen low and our honorable city council
[44:30] I'm Leila Regan your friendly
neighborhood City librarian uh it is
[44:35] still one book one city month so I just
wanted to come back here and remind you
[44:39] of some of the events that are still
happening for one book one city um this
[44:43] Saturday we have
felting uh if you don't know what
[44:47] felting is I didn't either so so we'll
all learn together but um we're having
[44:52] craft it which is something we haven't
had at the library since we've moved to
[44:55] our temporary so you can come and learn
how to felt and go home with something
[44:59] really neat or perhaps a new hobby and
uh we also have a um one book one city
[45:07] play this world the world's strongest
librarian that is going to be
[45:13] 7M on Monday the 24th at the
playhouse we also have our second Sip
[45:21] and shush which which is our silent book
club we had our first one at RT Rogers
[45:28] this past Saturday it went really well
um big um thank you to RT Rogers for
[45:33] letting our little group meet there and
read quietly which was nice so that's
[45:40] essentially what a silent book club is
and we will be doing that Wednesday the
[45:44] 26th at 7:00 p.m. at RT Rogers and to
everyone who submitted their wonderful
[45:51] pieces about uh how libraries have
impacted their life we are working on
[45:55] publishing that book and we are going to
have a book signing and reading on
[46:00] Friday February 28th so hope you all can
attend that and uh we also have our one
[46:08] book one city third Thursday book club
so if you would like to discuss the book
[46:12] uh this book club meets on zoom and that
is going to be Thursday the 15th I
[46:19] believe in my head um at 11:00 a.m. we
do have some programs that are not one
[46:25] book one city uh that that we hope uh
more people will attend we have tomorrow
[46:29] is our caregiver Workshop so you can uh
come to the library we have love
[46:35] buug which is a really fun way to
interact with your child it's for ages 0
[46:40] to 36 and that is tomorrow Wednesday at
the library at 10:00 a.m. and then on
[46:47] Thursday we have our sensory play which
is for our um our wonderful children
[46:53] ages 0 to 11 that would prefer to play
in a quiet controlled space and we have
[46:59] exploratory toy toys available and we
are working on February 22nd we will
[47:05] have an interior design with TSK
Architects we'll have a little town hall
[47:09] here in the city council chamber excuse
me city council chambers and uh we will
[47:15] be live streaming that and recording it
as well so those are all the programs I
[47:20] believe I have thank you so much just a
a clarification there are two of the
[47:26] program that was 0 to 36 was that months
or years months okay and then and then
[47:32] then and then the Z caregivers and it's
0 to 11 is it years there we go okay
[47:38] that's what I thought thank you for
catching that I appreciate it no problem
[47:45] all right Mr Mayor I do have a request
from Glenn lamden to also speak great
[47:51] [Music]
oh uh honorable mayor Madam May mayor
[47:57] proam councel staff uh Glenn lambden 444
St event uh I'd like to bring your
[48:02] attention to our Municipal Code chapter
120
[48:07] 20. 070 it's titled duty of a budding
land owners to cultivate trees on public
[48:14] property I find this um section of the
code problematic in two ways uh what it
[48:21] says and what it doesn't say um
basically what it says is that
[48:27] property owners are required private
property owners are required to maintain
[48:32] publicly owned trees on publicly owned
property this is done by taking their
[48:38] Financial
Resources uh labor and some
[48:44] materials for the benefit of the public
without just
[48:49] compensation my question really becomes
how is this not a fifth amendment taking
[48:54] and I've asked the question as some
council members I've asked the question
[48:57] to staff and I received the same answer
I don't know so if this is in fact where
[49:03] where we are requiring and taking from a
private individual for the benefit of
[49:09] the public how is this not a fifth
amendment taking I you know I think it's
[49:13] something that needs to be looked into
what this doesn't
[49:17] do allow those residents that are
encumbered with this special privileges
[49:23] doesn't give them special privileges to
add things to the public Parkway as a
[49:28] matter of fact the code expressly
prohibits putting anything that's an
[49:33] obstruction that could be on uh a public
safety hazard elsewhere in the code it
[49:40] prohibits the placement of certain items
on this where I'm having a problem with
[49:45] this is I've addressed this with staff
and staff has told me that because of
[49:51] the encumbrance it's only fair that the
homeowners should be allowed to put
[49:57] things on there that they want problem
is when staff determines that they're
[50:01] going to create policy that circumvents
the legislative Authority that we have
[50:06] granted to you our elected leaders it is
never staff's position to create policy
[50:13] or to ignore the policy that this
Council or previous councils have put
[50:17] into effect um so I would like with this
in mind this is going to dovetail into a
[50:23] few of the other items that uh is that's
on the agenda tonight and I'll speak to
[50:27] those so I thank
you thank you Mr
[50:35] lamon um Mr Mayor James Carlson is the
next
[50:46] speaker thank you very much I didn't
make the agenda so I'm here for public
[50:50] comment and I will give myself three
minutes um just want to give you a quick
[50:54] update on mud preparations and then I'll
introduce our our our Chiefs uh sir M
[50:59] public works department has been working
on preparations of mud and debris since
[51:03] the beginning before the E eaten fire
was even out we've Co coordinated the
[51:08] debris removal from high priority basins
including the sadre dam and that was a
[51:13] job that took 2,500 truckloads to get
that that debris Basin ready for the
[51:19] upcoming
storms we've installed what I refer to
[51:23] as best management practices those are
being MPS those can be structural they
[51:28] can be also activity uh examples include
K rails or sandbag walls it's also
[51:34] includes inspections and maintenance of
of storm drains and a number of other
[51:40] structures throughout the town in an
effort to meet anticipated demands for
[51:45] debris and mud management staff has met
with the county and daily TK for Force
[51:51] task force meetings since the beginning
we have also acquired the services of
[51:56] the p Public Works director with 37
years of institutional knowledge through
[52:01] willan
Services decisions regarding where to
[52:05] locate bmps have evolved throughout the
process Public Works crews are familiar
[52:10] with the areas of concern as well as
locations that are intuitively needed to
[52:16] be
addressed this week uh staff is actually
[52:20] also referred to the Watershed Emergency
Response Team it's called a w report
[52:25] that was published by the state and and
put out on February 4th and then this
[52:30] week the city is in re has received the
County's phase one two and three mud
[52:35] flow prediction maps that provides us
with additional Hydra hydrologic and
[52:41] Engineering
recommendations the most common feedback
[52:45] that we are getting in the public works
department is is um for a k to protect
[52:50] an individual's property we take all
requests and analyze the effectiveness
[52:56] of each area that K rails have been
located we want our community to know
[53:01] that staff will not Place K rails on
private property and we will not Place K
[53:06] rails in the street if it would prevent
access to areas for mud REM removal or
[53:11] the police and fire calls we understand
also the need to be nimble this week
[53:17] will most likely provide us with the
first instance of mud and debris flows
[53:23] and we will analyze what we've been um
what we've been planning for with our
[53:28] with our institutional knowledge and our
our engineers and our hydrologists and
[53:33] see how that compares with what we're
seeing in real time so we will keep
[53:37] moving um we don't have the set plan I
would like to introduce Chief bentos and
[53:43] chief Bartlett and they have an
important announcement for you and look
[53:47] I just made it
[54:00] good evening uh mayor mayor protemp and
city council U I'll provide you a little
[54:05] bit of an update to the upcoming uh
storm as we prepare for the incoming
[54:10] storm expected from this Wednesday
through Friday with Thursday posing the
[54:16] greatest risk I want to emphasize the
importance of vigilance and Readiness
[54:20] our priority is and always will be the
preservation of Life followed by
[54:25] property
we have been proactive in addressing
[54:28] this Potential Threat several meetings
have been held at the EOC that's the
[54:34] emergency Operation Center to ensure our
preparedness and we have coordinated
[54:40] with area D for additional support in
the event evacuations become necessary
[54:47] our police fire and City teams I mean
Public
[54:51] Works um City Hall um Etc are fully
engaged and are ready we will continue
[54:59] to monitor conditions closely and keep
the community of breast I urge all
[55:04] residents to stay informed through the
official City Communications Genesis
[55:09] nixel City and social media platforms
and please have a plan in place and be
[55:15] ready to evacuate if conditions warrant
if an evacuation order is issued please
[55:22] do not hesitate follow the direction to
evacuate
[55:27] together as a community we'll face these
challenges with resilience and
[55:30] preparedness thank you and uh this
concludes um any questions or
[55:37] anything let's go ahead and and get uh
fire chief up here and then uh I'll take
[55:43] a moment to see if there any
questions thank you Mr Mayor uh mayor
[55:47] protm and City Council Members basically
what i' I'd like to add to uh Chief
[55:52] bont's um talking points are yes we're
we've been working very diligently D
[55:59] diligently very hard excuse me as a as a
city to help mitigate any potential
[56:05] efforts um what I would like to bring to
everybody's attention and hopefully we
[56:09] become very familiar with the uh Genesis
protect app we used it during the fire
[56:15] um it is also a tool that is fluid and
is able to be changed so what I'd like
[56:22] everybody to understand is the zones
that we were working with
[56:27] prior were fire zones um each incident
is going to have its own Dynamics to it
[56:35] now we have adjusted some of the zones
they are basic the base zones will
[56:39] remain the same but we may have uh
basically split some of the zones into
[56:44] an A B and potentially even a c these
are going to be the mud and debris
[56:50] debris flow zones um which we have used
the uh
[56:57] modeling that
uh analyst car Carlson has spoke to to
[57:03] come up with these so um once again
we're going to ask folks to get onto
[57:08] this app it's going to be a good point
for you to know right now we put it all
[57:13] into an advisory in these blue sections
here and uh when the time comes we can
[57:19] be changing those to an evacuation
warning or an evacuation order and
[57:24] though you'll see the the zone will
actually change colors but you'll be
[57:27] able to I don't know James you could
pick just that 2B there and click on
[57:32] that U it is basically if you look at
the left it tells you it's in an
[57:36] advisory and it gives you the reason
those reasons right now uh we taken the
[57:41] Liberty to go ahead and put those into a
phase two reason so they do um they do
[57:47] follow La County's mud debris flow um
Phase 2 criteria or basically their
[57:54] definition so it's a helpful tool
for our residents to kind of take a look
[57:58] at and mostly we really want to let
folks know we have been planning and we
[58:03] have been prepping for this and we have
identified some areas are concerned and
[58:07] we want to make that known to our
citizens so they can prepare uh and as
[58:12] Chief baranto
said again once the uh and if but uh any
[58:18] evacuation orders come where asking that
you do please leave a
[58:22] residence um it's this is going to be a
very different Dynamic than the fire we
[58:27] had a lot of residents did not uh heed
the order for the fire
[58:32] evacuations um but this is going to be
different uh what I want people to know
[58:36] at least from the fire side is if we
have active mud and debris flow we are
[58:43] not responding in that area for an
emergency especially if you are under an
[58:47] evacuation order you should not be there
we are not going to put public safety
[58:52] personnel into Jeopardy in an active mud
and debris FL
[58:56] um we will get there if we if we have
the opportunity but under an evacuation
[59:00] order and again I can't stress enough
when it's active we're not going to put
[59:04] First Responders in Jeopardy so please
adhere to it it's a it's a different
[59:08] Beast than a
fire can I ask a question yes is there
[59:13] anything else you have for your
presentation no sir that was it okay on
[59:15] that note though I have a question yes
please so should anybody even if they
[59:19] didn't evacuate let's say it didn't
evacuate but we have active mud flow
[59:22] should anybody try to mitigate an active
mud flow no it it and then the fact is
[59:28] and here's my suggestion if we have
active and you still at home then
[59:32] shelter in place do not try to leave
stay in your home um and hopefully uh
[59:38] stay in a safe Loca location in within
your home but do not try to leave during
[59:42] active L debris flow we've all seen um
news reels on this and it it's it could
[59:48] be very devastating and um very
hazardous to
[59:53] life um so yeah we don't we don't uh uh
once see the order will be
[59:59] given prior to any active flow as much
as we can we're going to we're going to
[1:00:04] anticipate we're we're we're watching
we're listening and we're U we're ready
[1:00:09] to give it the evacuation order prior to
hopefully any any potential so um with
[1:00:18] as much notice as we get we'll give the
public great counc member go so you're
[1:00:22] saying if you get caught shelter in
place
[1:00:26] right correct but when you say it's a
different Beast somebody's sitting in
[1:00:30] their house when you have a mud flow
above you can you paint a picture of
[1:00:34] some of the potential problems that with
that for them sitting in their house
[1:00:39] sitting in your house it depending on
your location it could take out your
[1:00:42] whole house um and we won't be able to
dig that out for quite a while depending
[1:00:48] on the severity of it I mean it's all
speculation at this point we haven't
[1:00:52] seen it our city has never gone through
an experience like this where our whole
[1:00:56] front country basically from you know
Mitchel Linda to San Anita has never all
[1:01:01] burned at once at least in the histories
that any of us are aware of um and so
[1:01:06] therefore we don't truly know what to
expect other than historically what have
[1:01:11] we seen on previous fires but that's
only been portions of our town so um
[1:01:17] we're we're just at we're asking people
to expect for the plan for the worst but
[1:01:21] let's hope for the best U and again uh
if we do the evacuation order please get
[1:01:26] out thank you k m Garcia thank you Mr
Mayor uh thank you Chief and and I
[1:01:32] opened up my U Genesis protect app and I
see as I so I'm I'm Zone 14 and I've
[1:01:38] known that since you've put this in
front of us like 18 months ago um and as
[1:01:42] I zoom in I see it split in between uh A
and B so I want to I would just want
[1:01:47] residents to know that you kind of have
to zoom in on your app to see if you're
[1:01:51] a or b if there is a split um but my
question is um one of my children goes
[1:01:58] to Mir high school and I D drive through
aladen every morning and I would get
[1:02:01] alerts through not Genesis through smart
911 that I'm entering different zones
[1:02:06] that have different warnings will those
warnings push through smart 11 911 as
[1:02:11] well and I know we have our nixel which
are really well connected with Genesis
[1:02:15] correct um smart irland one thank you
for for bringing that up that is
[1:02:19] something that we've been trying to
implement for quite a while now it's
[1:02:22] gaining traction but it is not
completely there as
[1:02:26] as an all-encompassing uh notification
tool it because the reason I say that is
[1:02:31] an opt-in uh platform so if you sign up
for it you will get those notices and
[1:02:36] and the the beauty of it is no matter
where you're at in the State uh you
[1:02:40] could be visiting relatives in the
northern California area if they if they
[1:02:43] have this active you're going to get
notified for an area you're in no matter
[1:02:47] what it's just it's all GPS tracking
type of stuff and and it and it will
[1:02:52] activate and that's what I've noticed as
I drive you are now entering
[1:02:56] a Zone that's under evacuation warning
and it would it will it will alert me to
[1:02:59] that yeah and the same the same kind of
applies for the Genesis protect um you
[1:03:04] can type in your address it'll tell you
what zone you're in or even if you if
[1:03:09] you move to another zone for instance if
everybody opened up this app right now
[1:03:12] we'll all be in uh in in the same zone
different than where you're where you
[1:03:17] may where you may live but you can also
save one of the zones as your favorite
[1:03:22] so even if you're not home you can which
is the great part about it with we have
[1:03:26] to repopulate after evacuations you can
just go on this app and see what the
[1:03:29] status is without having to call the
City without having to you know get in
[1:03:33] line behind everybody else to find out
what's going on and I know the well four
[1:03:37] of us you the five of us are usually
here are our utmost concerned is Public
[1:03:42] Safety um that being said I know we've
had we've had some residents asking
[1:03:47] questions about am 16:30 is that still
not really active not something to rely
[1:03:53] on at this point in time I think it's
important for our residents to know know
[1:03:56] exactly where they should look and what
they should rely upon uh may have to
[1:04:01] pass that off to to maybe city manager
but my understanding yes it's not
[1:04:04] completely reliable yet because we do
have some some old equipment old
[1:04:08] technology yeah where we cannot get
those parts to repair it and make it uh
[1:04:13] fully functional at this point um and so
what it is is we've heard loud and clear
[1:04:17] that we try to you know the community
wants us commun communicate as best as
[1:04:21] possible we're finding all the tools we
can not nothing's going to get replaced
[1:04:25] placed or throwing out they're all tools
in the toolbox they're all applicable
[1:04:29] some might be more appropriate at a
certain time uh but the Genesis protect
[1:04:34] the smart 911 app uh and and nixel
they're all going to be utilized um if
[1:04:40] we have to we can use them all in
concurrency thank you Chief welcome
[1:04:45] mayor may I add um some of the steps
that uh we've taken is uh on the website
[1:04:50] in the next 24 hours when you go on the
website this map will pop up um also on
[1:04:55] the website uh you can click on um the
nixel tab and every nixel alert will is
[1:05:01] there for for our residents what I
really want to stress is that right now
[1:05:06] the zones that are listed in that that
light blue are
[1:05:10] advisory and I want to stress to our
residents that those will likely change
[1:05:14] to a warning in the next 24 hours and
there's a high probability that we'll
[1:05:19] have evacuation orders um so um we want
residents to be prepared gather their
[1:05:25] documents the pets any medications um
and make arrangements uh if you're in
[1:05:30] those areas for potential evacuation and
relocation um until this event uh the
[1:05:35] storm event passes for mudslides do we
also operate under the Ready set go
[1:05:41] correct and so where are we right now so
right now we are I'll turn it over to
[1:05:46] yeah just a great question mayor thank
you for uh for serving that one up um we
[1:05:51] do basically still operate under Ready
set go the same we would under under
[1:05:55] Fire condition
um so I want residents to be advised we
[1:06:00] do have an ordinance for um basically
yellow and red flags as well um if you
[1:06:06] see those we'll have those basically
strategically um at like Mary's Market
[1:06:11] at the search and rescue um station at
the fire station will'll be putting out
[1:06:16] flags that correspond with either a
yellow flag which would be basically an
[1:06:21] evacuation warning for the set portion
and and then the red flags which mean a
[1:06:28] uh go or an evacuation um order and so
those will go out if we get to any red
[1:06:35] flags where they are mud and debris flow
or whether they're fire weather red
[1:06:38] flags still will mean that we will
implement the uh red flag parking
[1:06:43] restrictions within the appropriate
areas as well um and that's the other
[1:06:47] thing that we definitely want to make
folks uh be aware of when I say this was
[1:06:52] is a different Beast um once we we ISS
those um even if your cars are parked in
[1:06:58] your your garage or your parking spot
that you may have for instance in the
[1:07:03] canyon um if we have heavy mud debris
flows you're you're not getting out
[1:07:09] period so just take that into
consideration even if you have a parking
[1:07:13] spot maybe moving your vehicle out uh to
a safer area so if you do have to uh you
[1:07:19] know evacuate or even your second car or
what have you you have access to it it's
[1:07:24] just again a a suggestion when we
implement the uh red flag parking
[1:07:28] restrictions can we suspend parking
citations are we still suspending
[1:07:33] parking citations
currently that will go in conjunction
[1:07:38] with the with the red flag parking
restriction again that will be an
[1:07:41] advance of of anything so we do
evacuation orders or the well I meant if
[1:07:47] you're parking your car further some
away from your house you're not going to
[1:07:50] get a ticket obviously we're not going
to ticket I hear I apologize to that
[1:07:54] thank you
leave that up to my the police chief
[1:07:57] told me to thank you for the question
but uh mayor protm yes absolutely we
[1:08:02] could we'll put that on our social media
that we will exempt all parking
[1:08:06] restrictions for overnight parking um
till next week
[1:08:10] Monday and and uh if we go into the go
portion we'll have the the police cars
[1:08:17] going up and using their loudspeakers to
announce like they did during the
[1:08:20] fire thank you for the question that's
that's correct it's either going to be
[1:08:24] PA systems door knocks it just depends
on the circumstance and obviously the uh
[1:08:30] um the terrain of of of the
neighborhood and if residents want to
[1:08:35] get sandbags where can they get them at
this
[1:08:41] point currently the city is providing
sandbags at the entrance to the public
[1:08:47] yards or Public Works yards and um there
you you have to present ID proof of
[1:08:53] residence to be there and I think we're
doing a limit still or no 25 25 um and
[1:08:59] then James you might be able to talk to
this I'm not sure if we still have some
[1:09:02] at Victory Park available as well
but yeah Victory Park is is still a
[1:09:07] location it's the same thing they're
they're a county entity so sarrians are
[1:09:11] they're qualified to go to Victory Park
for the same um situation 25 unfilled
[1:09:17] bags with an ID uh Public Works has also
um
[1:09:21] strategically uh staged a few pallets of
filled sandbags in some of the highest
[1:09:27] priority areas I'm not going to tell you
where that is because everybody will
[1:09:31] come and get them but the people that
see them in front of their house those
[1:09:34] are for
you and and do we have any estimates on
[1:09:39] the number of bags that we've handed out
the number of K rails in whatever units
[1:09:44] make sense that we've we've done in in
preparation for
[1:09:47] this um yeah you know director yanz has
pretty good idea on that great thank you
[1:09:53] director yanz
Mr Mayor and members of city council uh
[1:09:57] we put out approximately about 52k rails
uh the north part of town we have
[1:10:03] distributed over
550 um
[1:10:07] unfilled um bags we have placed
approximately over 1,000 filled sandbags
[1:10:13] at key uh areas throughout the north
part of
[1:10:17] town great thank you so much just a just
a followup question regarding parking
[1:10:23] and it might be in De brief flow so
maybe public works is is important so
[1:10:27] sometimes with debris flow our roads are
used as diversion channels instead of
[1:10:31] we're not going to try to block tons
tons and tons of of debris so our roads
[1:10:37] are actually sometimes used so if you
leave your car on the road and you're
[1:10:42] under evacuation warning that car can
actually
[1:10:44] become uh a potential Hazard to other
people if it gets carried down the road
[1:10:49] is that is that also true that is an
excellent question sir yes the goal here
[1:10:53] is to flow the mud
like of better ter we want to help the
[1:10:57] mud along the street um should a car be
left there the mud flow the pressure the
[1:11:03] amount of volume that that will be
coming down the street there will'll
[1:11:06] physically pick up the car and then
probably Lodge it somewhere then we have
[1:11:10] an issue it'll be it a car Dam okay so
not not not only danger to property or
[1:11:17] life uh from that one moving car but it
could actually create other issues it
[1:11:22] could create an issue it it could Lodge
itself between with between two other
[1:11:26] cars uh a tree Etc then now we have a
problem where we're building up pressure
[1:11:31] building up pressure leading to a more
serious problem sir thank you for that
[1:11:34] you're welcome mayor I have one more uh
point that I'd like to invite Senior
[1:11:39] Management Ellis Carlson back to talk
about Athens um pickup
[1:11:45] service yeah I was in discussion with
Athens today if if you don't know uh
[1:11:50] Athens Services the the upper and lower
Canyon areas on Wednesdays and Thursdays
[1:11:56] and it's not a straight delineated line
either it's a little bit all over the
[1:12:00] place um they will be picking up trash
tomorrow on Wednesday they will not be
[1:12:05] picking up trash on Thursday um we just
do not want trash cans in the road
[1:12:11] whatsoever we don't want the Athens
drivers um putting them themselves in an
[1:12:16] unsafe position or getting in the way of
some other things we might be trying to
[1:12:20] do so no Athens collection in the canyon
on Thursday
[1:12:26] great thank
you Madame clerk are there any other
[1:12:30] public comments No Sir Mr Mayor all
right uh we'll go ahead and close that
[1:12:35] portion of the agenda and we'll move on
next item on the agenda are
[1:12:39] presentations um and so our first
presentation is to the CR moderate
[1:12:43] search and rescue um so if we could get
the search and rescue team to come up
[1:12:48] here um and I'm going to come up to the
podium up there
[1:13:06] I follow right where you said g to
[1:13:14] go so before I start and give the the uh
certificate of Rec recognition I'd like
[1:13:19] to call up uh Bob Spears the head of our
EOC and to have him start kick us off
[1:13:26] and then I'll read the the
pronouncement so for those of you that
[1:13:31] remember on January 7th we were supposed
to have a wind event and we looked at it
[1:13:35] as it was going to be like uh 2011 when
we had the big winds come through town
[1:13:39] and we were doing really really well
with that up until about 618 when the
[1:13:45] fire broke out in Eaton Canyon and
suddenly uhoh we were in a position we
[1:13:51] open with the eocc was open senior staff
was there we were managing the emergency
[1:13:55] very well uh but then when the uh fire
took off all of our fire department was
[1:14:01] gone they're they're committed all our
Police Department is gone because
[1:14:04] they're committed the county was
evacuating parts of our city and we were
[1:14:08] getting phone calls that we had people
with disabilities who would like to
[1:14:12] comply with the evacuation order but
they could not because their caretaker
[1:14:16] had left and I'm looking around the room
and for those of you that don't know the
[1:14:23] city of Si M has a rather flat or chart
so uh there weren't a lot of extra
[1:14:27] people and we didn't want to send a dump
truck up with a public works guy so the
[1:14:32] search and rescue people we have been
we've been working with them in in in
[1:14:35] our EOC really really well and they've
been uh incredibly supportive and they
[1:14:41] said we can do this so boom up they go
they go out and rescue these people they
[1:14:46] took them down to to Pasadena to the
convention center where the where they
[1:14:50] had the uh the the big shelter did did a
great job came back and said you know
[1:14:58] what else can we do oh by the way we
have the we have the ability to map the
[1:15:02] entire fire area for you on kelpo and
come back and bring you the maps and I'm
[1:15:06] looking like well that's something that
takes days and weeks and and usually a
[1:15:10] county person boom they're gone again
and they come back you know like 12
[1:15:14] hours later here's the map here's the
stuff we had to go out and buy the
[1:15:17] software so we could read what they were
doing so these people should arrive on
[1:15:21] white horses because they have literally
contributed phenomenal expertise and
[1:15:27] time and skills to the citizens of sier
M and have done a great job in doing
[1:15:31] that so I am very very grateful that
they are even in town they are they have
[1:15:37] an excellent attitude they're wonderful
and they're a volunteer organization
[1:15:41] which is near and dear to my heart so
thank you all very much before you
[1:15:48] go is there one more that they did after
the fire as a part of the repopulation
[1:15:53] plan they doing something with with with
checking out the homes and all that they
[1:15:58] helped do that they when they prented
provided us with caltopo maps we're
[1:16:03] looking at where all the houses are that
were burned we we had information about
[1:16:08] what was going on in our city before the
county and everyone else and we were
[1:16:12] able to give them to to the planning
department here's your map here's
[1:16:15] everything that's going on it was it was
phenomenal they went around the those
[1:16:19] buildings not only did they take
pictures of the of the destroyed
[1:16:23] buildings but the the areas around
around them so and they were all linked
[1:16:26] to the map we I mean we we couldn't
asked for a a a more professional and
[1:16:32] indepth service and they did it for free
out of their own Goodwill
[1:16:38] so so that couldn't be a better way to
to kick this off so here we've got a
[1:16:42] certificate of recognition uh for the
search and rescue I'm going to go ahead
[1:16:46] and read it so uh it says whereas the
city the whereas the Sierra MRE search
[1:16:53] and rescue team has long been a Pillar
of Strength dedication and bravery
[1:16:58] providing volunteer life-saving
assistance to those in need throughout
[1:17:02] our community and Beyond whereas during
the devasta devastating eaten fire which
[1:17:08] threatened homes livelihoods and the
natural beauty of sier Madre smsr
[1:17:14] responded with unwavering commitment
working tirelessly alongside other First
[1:17:19] Responders to ensure the safety of our
residents and protect our city whereas
[1:17:24] the selfish efforts of the team
including providing evacuation
[1:17:28] assistance search and rescue operations
mapping the disaster and critical
[1:17:32] support for emergency Personnel played a
vital role in mitigating the impact of
[1:17:36] fire on our community whereas despite
the destruction caused by the fire the
[1:17:42] courage professionalism and expertise of
smsr provided hope and reass reassurance
[1:17:48] to those affected exemplifying the
highest ideals of service and
[1:17:53] sacrifice whereas the city of s Madre
recognizes and honors the extraordinary
[1:17:58] contributions of the S Madre search and
rescue team whose actions during the
[1:18:02] eaten fire were instrumental in
protecting lives and reinforcing
[1:18:06] resilience uh of our community now
therefore be it resolved that this the
[1:18:10] city council of the city of sadre
extends its deepest gratitude and
[1:18:15] highest
Commendation to the sier Madre search
[1:18:18] and rescue team for their bravery
dedication and invaluable service during
[1:18:22] the eaten fire and beyond their heroic
actions will always be remembered and
[1:18:28] appreciated presented this 11th day of
February
[1:18:31] 2025 by the city by the city council of
the city of CR Madre mayor Robert
[1:18:36] Parkhurst mayor protm Christine low
council member Edward Garcia council
[1:18:41] member Jean gos and council member Kelly
[1:18:45] [Applause]
creeps uh thank you uh Mr Mayor and the
[1:18:55] city council um on behalf of the
contingent I have here and the other 30
[1:19:00] plus members of the team that we have
we're more than happy to call this city
[1:19:04] home we have done since
1951 and uh provide the service that we
[1:19:09] can to the city we know we've got
ongoing flooding um which is or not
[1:19:13] ongoing but potential flooding and we'll
be working with City and uh and the fire
[1:19:18] chief there on on plans and with Bob
seers as well making sure that we
[1:19:23] coordinate any responses we'll sort of
follow the same protocols and guidelines
[1:19:27] that they've already uh sort of laid out
apart from active flooding not putting
[1:19:31] people in their we're volunteer
organization but we're more than happy
[1:19:35] to uh assist the city as we can moving
forward and we really appreciate um this
[1:19:40] honor and this will go up on our wall in
the station thank you very much thank
[1:19:47] you Council to come up and join for this
everyone over here and fill in here we'
[1:19:54] got the logo in the
[1:20:10] [Music]
[1:20:22] backg I'll do this I'll do this
[1:20:33] all
right did you get a good
[1:20:36] one
[1:20:48] good thank you so much guys get ready
for the next thanking you again
[1:21:01] I think be
[1:21:14] EXC so now we have a second uh
proclamation to to make tonight uh so
[1:21:19] this one is for uh our former city
Treasurer Michael Maro Mario uh so let
[1:21:28] me read this one out whereas Michael
Mario has Faithfully served as the city
[1:21:32] treasurer for c for C Madre since 2016
demonstrating unwavering dedication
[1:21:39] professionalism and integrity in
overseeing the city's Financial
[1:21:43] stewardship during his ten tenure
Michael Mario has established and
[1:21:47] managed the city's investment program
creating sustainable funds that
[1:21:51] strengthen CR M's financial future and
ensured respons fiscal growth he has
[1:21:56] been instrumental in the thorough review
and approval of the city's warrant
[1:22:00] packages ensuring transparency
accountability and sound financial decis
[1:22:05] decisionmaking for the benefit of all
residents whereas his leadership
[1:22:10] expertise and commitment to Public
Service have have earned him the respect
[1:22:14] and gratitude of City officials
colleagues and the people of CR Madre
[1:22:19] whereas as he concludes his tenure City
Treasurer we recognize and honor Michael
[1:22:23] amario for his year years of dedicated
service and contributions to the city's
[1:22:27] Financial Health and his lasting impact
on our community now therefore be it
[1:22:32] complain be it proclaimed that the city
council of the city of sadre expresses
[1:22:37] its deepest appreciation to Michael
Mario for his exceptional service
[1:22:42] Financial expertise and invaluable
contributions wishing him continued
[1:22:46] success and F fulfillment in all future
endeavors presented this 11th day of
[1:22:51] February 2025 by the city council of the
city of CR Madre mayor Robert parkur
[1:22:57] mayor protm Christine low council member
Edward Garcia council member Jean gos
[1:23:01] and council member Kelly
[1:23:05] [Applause]
[1:23:11] creeps yeah well thank you the last time
I was up here was about 10 years ago and
[1:23:18] I'm still smiling from thinking about
that we had just won a little league
[1:23:22] championship
but anyway you know
[1:23:26] um when I um wanted to become City
Treasurer it was to look into some stuff
[1:23:31] I was pissed you know I wasn't happy
with some elections I wasn't happy with
[1:23:34] what city council was doing in an area
and I still AR happy on an election but
[1:23:40] what I what what I learned from it was
the city staff is just incredible to
[1:23:46] think that a a a city could have such
dedicated hardworking thinking about the
[1:23:52] city first we um you know when we uh
when we coach kids in baseball you know
[1:23:57] we always say play for the team first
and uh I'll tell you the Sierra mandre
[1:24:01] has a staff that plays for the city
first and very very fortunate so it was
[1:24:07] really um a rewarding experience and uh
I appreciate the opportunity I think I
[1:24:12] worked with probably three city um three
city managers at least three Finance
[1:24:17] directors but through through all of
that none of it none of it changed just
[1:24:22] very very um
enamored and um just kind of in awe in
[1:24:27] their dedication um bugged me a lot to
get stuff done I had a few other things
[1:24:31] going on but um through it all I
appreciate the opportunity and and thank
[1:24:35] you yeah thank
[1:24:50] you so Mike before Sue Spears put her
name in I I I was gonna that's Chris low
[1:24:56] I was gonna add your name anyways to the
next ballot but Sue Spears took care of
[1:25:01] it but I was really writing your name
down forcing you into it and and by the
[1:25:06] way for for um I I've mentioned this too
I'm always happy to help in any way I
[1:25:09] can so thank you thank you for your
service Michael thank
[1:25:16] you all right we are on to uh the
consent items so city clerk would you
[1:25:24] please read the consent items by title
only yes sir thank you uh the city
[1:25:29] council is asked to consider four items
this evening consent item a is the
[1:25:33] consideration of resolution
25-12 that's approving certain demands
[1:25:39] and it's staff's recommendation that the
city council approved uh resolution
[1:25:44] 25-12 consent Item B is the city
treasurer's report for the quarter
[1:25:48] ending December 31 2024 it is
recommended that the city council re
[1:25:54] receive and file this informative report
consent item C is a consideration of
[1:25:58] approving amendment number one extension
of services for the Professional
[1:26:03] Services agreement to Tate Snyder kimsey
Inc also known as TSK architecture
[1:26:08] services for the library project in the
amount not to exceed
[1:26:12] $917 51 for the remainder of the fiscal
year 2425 and into also fiscal year
[1:26:20] 2526 and it is staff's recommendation
that the city council approve amendment
[1:26:25] number one and lastly uh consent item D
is the consideration of amendment number
[1:26:31] two to the Professional Services
agreement with wian engineering for Fire
[1:26:36] Marshall fire plan review fire code
official and fire inspection services
[1:26:41] staff also recommends that the city
council approve amendment number two to
[1:26:45] the Professional Services agreement with
willand engineering Mr Mayor this
[1:26:48] concludes my report thank you madam
clerk all right do we have any questions
[1:26:53] on consent item a
a consent Item
[1:26:58] B consent item
C I will have some questions consent
[1:27:03] item C please all right so this is for
the extension of uh TSK um and my first
[1:27:10] question was um is this extension
because we are behind it all or is this
[1:27:16] because of the extension we got for the
grant itself thank you for the question
[1:27:21] it is because we got the extension of
the grant itself
[1:27:25] uh in the original when this project uh
began uh know two and a half years ago
[1:27:29] give or take uh the original uh Grant
agreement was for January of
[1:27:35] 2025 and then we were very fortunate to
receive the extension into next year uh
[1:27:41] that is the reason at the same time
after discussing uh the project itself
[1:27:46] with TSK they are very much committed
they uh are staying on board to see the
[1:27:52] part the project through which is the
norm for for a project of this
[1:27:56] magnitude my second question is is the
[1:28:01] 91751 is that an amount added to this to
this contract we previously had and also
[1:28:07] where is that funding coming from no
ma'am that's this is the original agreed
[1:28:12] uh dollar amount from the original
contract agreement and this uh funding
[1:28:17] is coming through the uh awarded Grant
by by the state of California thank you
[1:28:22] you're welcome
all right any other questions on item C
[1:28:28] item
D all right I have some questions on
[1:28:32] item D2
okay that would be for the willan
[1:28:37] engineering for Fire Marshall fire plan
review and fire code official and fire
[1:28:46] inspection um so just to clarify the
increase from 135,000 to 300,000 is
[1:28:52] spanned over a 4year span and when is
that contractual date
[1:28:56] ending I will refer that to uh thank you
the planning
[1:29:02] manager I think it's director Lynn now
is that right you're not tell
[1:29:09] anybody and congratulations thank you
mayor and mayor protm um so the contract
[1:29:16] will remain the same um duration the
four-year expand from um
[1:29:22] 20203 to 2027 okay great thank you and
this might be back for one of you and I
[1:29:28] I'm sure you won't have the ability to
add this now but one thing I'm curious
[1:29:32] about is looking at the amount um that
we're paying to wian and how much would
[1:29:37] it uh cost us to be able to have our own
fire marshall in sier Madre instead of
[1:29:42] Contracting it out to
[1:29:46] willan Great questions that I do not
have exact numbers for at this point um
[1:29:51] we are we are assessing that currently
and uh and we'll be able to look at it
[1:29:56] but I would like to make uh notice that
the contractor services that we have for
[1:30:02] our Fire Marshall through
willan uh is currently for the you know
[1:30:08] plan checking doing field inspections
such as sprinkler inspections and things
[1:30:13] like that um as long as well as as
helping with you know code adoption and
[1:30:18] and the like the uh proposed
um Public Safety or excuse me um
[1:30:25] Community risk reduction officer would
be a lot more encompassing to include
[1:30:30] all of those functions as well as be
involved in education to our community
[1:30:36] uh be AAS on uh not only to uh some of
our Civic clubs but um in education and
[1:30:45] but um the fire safe Council that we're
looking to start up fireway Community
[1:30:48] would be a liaison between them would
help partner with them as well and so
[1:30:53] it's a a very encompassing job we would
even have them looking at doing again
[1:30:58] Community risk reduction so we uh most
of our calls are ems we can work with
[1:31:03] our EMS coordinator on the number one
thing which happens to be probably
[1:31:07] gravity in this town we have a lot of
Falls um can we help educate some of our
[1:31:11] senior community on stuff like that so
it's it it it is almost apples apples
[1:31:17] but it might be a Macintosh to you know
Granny Smith type it's I absolutely
[1:31:22] agree that so pricing will be a little
bit different but we are assessing um
[1:31:26] what what we would look at for that job
description and what what we would
[1:31:30] actually offer somebody thank
you any other questions on consent item
[1:31:36] D all right uh now I'd like to open this
up uh for uh public comment Madam clerk
[1:31:43] do we have any um cards for public
comment for this item uh not for the
[1:31:48] consent calendar Mr Mayor all right
seeing no one come forward on it um we
[1:31:54] do we have any discussion Mr Mayor yes
uh I just I know this is um a city
[1:32:00] treasurers report um from TR City
Treasurer Sue Spears but there's some
[1:32:05] remnants of Michael mar Mario in here
that I just I just want to highlight and
[1:32:09] thank him for while he's
[1:32:14] still
so it would there was a time uh very
[1:32:19] recently in the uh let's say 2 three
years ago when the Leif funds the local
[1:32:23] agency investment fund was earning less
than a percent um and so we have a lot
[1:32:29] of reserves instead of just putting them
in a bank account um why not invest them
[1:32:33] and earn some uh investment income some
interest um then there was a it's
[1:32:39] followed by a time when the US Treasury
government securities especially on the
[1:32:46] shorter term to maturity six months a
year two years um were were yielding 4%
[1:32:55] sometimes close to 5% and it's my
understanding from talking with staff
[1:32:58] that it was Treasurer Mario that said
hey these are risk-free we can ladder
[1:33:03] these bonds and if we hold them maturity
we're guaranteed this return rather than
[1:33:08] just having it in Lay funds it doesn't
need to be that liquid um yeah we're
[1:33:12] going to get ten of a percent on the
stuff where we need liquid but on this
[1:33:16] other stuff that we may not need first
six months or two years let's earn four
[1:33:21] or 5% on that and so just given that it
we earned an investment income we can't
[1:33:27] we can't rely on it but we earned
hundreds of thousands of dollars if not
[1:33:31] a million dollars or more due to that
decision so I just want to thank uh City
[1:33:36] Treasurer Mario for being Nimble and um
thinking little bit outside the box of
[1:33:42] what we normally did in changing our
investment strategy to make us some
[1:33:47] money while he could so that's that's my
comment on that so thank you City
[1:33:52] Treasurer thank you so much I really
appreciate you bringing that up I was
[1:33:55] going to make a mention uh of his
service there and you did it far better
[1:33:59] than I could so thank you so much um any
other discussion on the the consent
[1:34:05] items great uh so then I will look for a
motion to approve the consent items move
[1:34:11] to approve second all in favor I any
opposed all right we will move on now to
[1:34:18] our first public hearing and so I'd like
to call up Ems Captain uh busos to
[1:34:24] present the schedule adjustments for the
sier Madre fire
[1:34:31] department good evening mayor mayor
protm City Council Members thank you
[1:34:35] foring Captain pastillo could thank you
you read my mind I forget I'm short wait
[1:34:41] it's also it's for the people at home we
want to make sure that they can hear
[1:34:44] thank you U thank you for allowing me
the time to speak with you today um I'm
[1:34:48] here on behalf of the fire department to
request a few fee adjustments to the
[1:34:52] city's fee schedule
[1:34:55] so uh we're looking for three additions
um our epcr fee A dispatch fee and a
[1:35:01] first responder fee um and then some
adjustments to our current paramedic
[1:35:06] subscription
program so I will begin with our epcr
[1:35:11] fee um we were on paper until 2018 when
everybody converted to this digital
[1:35:16] format um so what you're seeing on the
left side of the screen um is our actual
[1:35:21] epcr electronic patient care report
um and it kind of serves two purposes uh
[1:35:26] it's going to document all of the data
that we collect on a call so incident
[1:35:30] times the resources that were there um
any treatments that we gave um any type
[1:35:36] of intervention um and um any medical
data um for the patient um the other
[1:35:41] side of that it is it allows us for
seamless transfer um between uh agencies
[1:35:48] so in times of automatic Aid um
everything that one report has started
[1:35:52] can be transferred to another uh
Department it also allows for the
[1:35:56] transfer of that data to be um moved to
the hospital when we do transport our
[1:36:00] patients and additionally um the
department of health services um is able
[1:36:05] to um see that data for their qaqi
purposes so it just ensures continuity
[1:36:10] of care um between all the
agencies um So currently uh we are using
[1:36:17] digital EMS um this is the provider for
um nearly everybody in the county um
[1:36:22] they do charge us for
.95 per e epcr completed and we
[1:36:28] completed epcr for any patient
assessment whether it's transported or
[1:36:33] not um so the city currently subsidizes
these costs for this epr epcr use um so
[1:36:40] below there you'll see the rate
comparison for the agencies in LA county
[1:36:44] that are currently charging this fee and
their Associated fees on the
[1:36:50] right um so this is um a slide just as
an example of what the recovery cost
[1:36:56] could look like um had that fee been
implemented the last um four years um so
[1:37:02] you'll see the year in reference the
call volume for that year um and had the
[1:37:06] fee been applied that would be the
recovery that we got um we're seeing
[1:37:10] about a 10% increase in EMS calls every
year so taking that into account for
[1:37:14] 2025 we're likely to reach uh 1,77 calls
um which would equate to about 5,300 um
[1:37:21] in Revenue
um and just uh side note um I did not
[1:37:26] include 2021 in this um in the increase
fees um in fees because uh we had a
[1:37:33] significantly low call volume due to
covid um so this is um our epcr fee um
[1:37:40] we're looking to just place the cost of
service for $495 um into the fee
[1:37:46] schedule uh if you have any questions on
this one if not I'll move on to our
[1:37:49] dispatch
fee so I had a quick question so uh on
[1:37:55] the previous
slide um so are these the fees that the
[1:38:01] cities are getting charged because we're
getting a
[1:38:04] $4.95 fee so so so why are the the fees
different on here is are Kia getting a
[1:38:10] much better deal with them um and is
Downey like what are they what are they
[1:38:14] including in their fee because it's
quite a bit more thank you for that
[1:38:17] question everybody's getting charged
$4.95 um so you will see some
[1:38:21] departments charging for profit on there
um and then others that maybe just have
[1:38:25] not updated their fees on their fee
schedule so I'm going to turn to City
[1:38:30] attorney I thought you couldn't charge
for profit on
[1:38:34] these yeah I know I don't they they're
they're probably incorporating other
[1:38:38] costs in there okay yeah I don't know
what those other costs would be but um I
[1:38:44] I I don't think they could I don't think
they could turn a profit on this one got
[1:38:48] it okay just for clarification and uh
definitely not speaking for any of our
[1:38:53] neighboring agencies but it could have
been some sort of assessment on uh staff
[1:38:58] time that they increase those fees uh I
don't know if we would technically use
[1:39:03] the term of for-profit but I'm sure it
was assessment again on staff time and
[1:39:08] and they adjusted as they saw
accordingly just as we recently have
[1:39:12] done Citywide through our our fee
schedule go thank you
[1:39:17] okay okay moving on um this is going to
be our dispatch fee so we're currently
[1:39:22] dispatched through Doo
Communications um they've been
[1:39:25] dispatching our fire and EMS calls um
since 1999 they're going to Service 13
[1:39:30] fire fire departments in LA county um
that's going to be all of our
[1:39:33] surrounding agencies um so anytime
somebody in s MRE calls 911 that that
[1:39:38] phone call is going to go to our PD
Dispatch um if they deem that a fire
[1:39:41] related call it will go to Verdugo um
who will collect the data um from the
[1:39:45] caller and uh dispatch the appropriate
resources they are currently charging
[1:39:52] $848 per dispatch really quick is that
on on top of another contractual price
[1:39:58] that we pay no so it's 8418 per call um
and so the fees that I've seen that
[1:40:04] we've paid out have matched that I don't
know outside of that if there's another
[1:40:08] no I mean do we pay for their services
and then this is also what they charge
[1:40:13] per call from what I it okay great
questions um actually this this is what
[1:40:20] we will see they base that off of uh the
previous year's call volume they will uh
[1:40:27] get together their their board or their
guiding um entity and they will assess
[1:40:34] new fees that is the current fee for
this year it hasn't changed from last
[1:40:38] year however they they will revise the
uh agreements that we all have with them
[1:40:44] and that just basically comes out to
what the average call is so to answer
[1:40:50] your question the fees that we pay them
that's Incorporated in there
[1:40:54] uh so for instance if we ran 1,500 calls
last year it' be multiplied times to
[1:40:59] 8418 and that would be the the fee we
pay them so it's it's basically just a
[1:41:04] pass through uh fee that we're we're
looking to uh to try and Implement does
[1:41:10] it matter if it comes to where you which
entity is responding or where the Call's
[1:41:14] coming from so let's say you're
responding to Arcadia we don't get that
[1:41:19] charg necessarily because even if we
respond to that call we would as far as
[1:41:24] the dispatch fee uh for instance the EMS
calls we would get we would get that fee
[1:41:30] as well as the epcr fees if we respond
to another another city we will again
[1:41:36] that's it's more of a pass through uh
charge and anything else we're just
[1:41:40] trying to recoup what we're being in
charge for the service thank
[1:41:48] you okay so this is the rate comparison
for Ellie County for the Departments
[1:41:52] that are currently charging a dispatch
fee as
[1:41:57] well um and again we're just um asking
for that cost of service at
[1:42:02] 8418 to be
added Kevin B BOS in in both the staff
[1:42:08] report and your presentation the dollar
amount is 8414 I know it's only 4 cents
[1:42:12] but um I just noticed that there was a
little discrepancy there so are we we're
[1:42:17] going to ask for 80 8418 yes yeah um so
same slide with um all the same rules
[1:42:23] applied um this would be just an example
of what that would look like had the fee
[1:42:27] been in place um the last four
years um we're seeing approximately 8%
[1:42:32] increase in calls um year-over-year so
25 would likely reach
[1:42:36] 1,666 calls um equating to about a
little over
[1:42:41] 140,000 so a question on that so does
that mean that there are some calls that
[1:42:47] we have that don't use epcr that's
correct uh if we do not do an assess on
[1:42:53] the patient we will not you um get do an
epcr but this is for a dispatch fee um
[1:42:59] so we are getting the dispatch fee on a
recall that makes perfect sense
[1:43:05] yeah okay um last fee would be the first
responder fee so um as you may know in
[1:43:12] 2024 we converted our paramedic um
assessment engine to a medic engine um
[1:43:18] so now we provide the city with two full
ALS units uh 247
[1:43:23] um so basically that engine looks
exactly like the ra without the
[1:43:27] capability to
transport so in order to do this uh we
[1:43:31] had a representative from Laie County
Department of Health Services come out
[1:43:34] they did an audit of our engine and
deemed it uh the rig fit for service um
[1:43:38] there are only a handful if at most um
of medic engines um in LA
[1:43:44] county um so it's a little bit big big
deal for us um and uh doing that
[1:43:51] transition it did increas some costs for
us um and those costs are going to be uh
[1:43:57] initial costs and uh for the to uh the
IND indicator emblems to recognize the
[1:44:04] engine as a paramedic engine um some
addition of um equipment that are U
[1:44:10] multi- or not single use like backboards
um air splints um things like that and
[1:44:15] then also those reoccurring costs that
are going to happen on all our calls um
[1:44:19] that will Encompass Medical Supplies
medications IVs vages things like that
[1:44:24] um so we'll be looking at those costs
continually
[1:44:28] continuously um and so just to give you
an example um if engine 41 was to
[1:44:33] respond outside of the city say to
Arcadia for an ankle fracture um the
[1:44:39] engine currently would respond um they
would start their
[1:44:42] epcr um they would treat that patient um
give medication start an IV splinting um
[1:44:50] and then uh once the ra arcad is arrived
Arcadia would take over that patient
[1:44:55] continue care to the hospital and and um
they would be um have the billing rights
[1:45:01] to that call so we would not see any
recoup cost for that um and to the other
[1:45:08] side of that same thing happens if it's
within our city and our engine responds
[1:45:11] and we have an outside agency coming in
to transport billing rights are with
[1:45:15] that transporting agency so we would see
um no recoup on those costs
[1:45:20] either um so we are looking to Implement
a fee of
[1:45:25] $189 um and this is going to be charged
only when the engine responds alone
[1:45:30] without our ra so if it was with an
outside agency's ra it would be charged
[1:45:35] um the 189 was a previous rate that we
had um in the fee schedule that was
[1:45:40] removed in 2020 um when we increased
some of the assessment fees for ra 41 um
[1:45:45] but now being that is a medic engine we
would like to reimplement that fee um
[1:45:50] and these are the three agencies that
are currently um charging a first
[1:45:53] responder fee as
[1:45:59] well um and again just an example um of
what uh recoup cost would look like um
[1:46:05] for the previous years uh really no
Trend in Engel engine only calls so I
[1:46:11] just took the average of uh 2022 through
2024 um and that gave us
[1:46:19] 42477 can I ask you a question when when
we charge people this is this covered by
[1:46:25] their insurance is this that extra
amount that's not covered by their
[1:46:28] insurance it is these are all going to
be pass through fees so likely not
[1:46:33] covered through
Insurance depending on the insurance as
[1:46:40] well um so just to tie everything
together um all of those fees um added
[1:46:46] together uh you're looking at that that
middle column for cost recovery
[1:46:49] historically s modre collects about 79%
um for through Billing Services um so
[1:46:56] that uh 79% is applied and you'll see
the the uh outcome on the right so um
[1:47:03] based off of those 2025 assessments with
that 79% collection fee um rate applied
[1:47:09] we're looking at nearly
150,000 um in cost recovery that added
[1:47:14] to our the 600 that 600,000 that we
currently colnect collect through
[1:47:19] medical AIDS we're looking for cost
recovery close to 3/4 of a million
[1:47:23] that's insurance and everything put
together
[1:47:27] yes um and so we're looking to implement
Implement these fees um beginning March
[1:47:32] 1st
[1:47:37] 2025 okay and lastly is our paramedic
subscription
[1:47:42] program um so our current program um is
uh not utilized as much as we would like
[1:47:49] it to be um a cost of an ambulance
especially ALS ambulance is at minimum
[1:47:54] $3,200 and that's without any additional
fees depending on the call and the
[1:47:58] treatment um and so that's typically not
completely covered by insurance so
[1:48:03] that's going to result in outof Pocket
fees uh for the
[1:48:06] residents um so members of the program
are assured that those costs are covered
[1:48:11] by the city um and they will not see any
out-of pocket expense So currently we
[1:48:16] have about 553 subscribers that's about
a 5% usage rate so it's fairly low um so
[1:48:22] we've created some various plans in
order to help bring down costs for
[1:48:26] residents and encourage
[1:48:29] usage and these are the plans we'd like
to implement um the single plan would
[1:48:34] still remain at $89 and that is for the
year um the couple plan for a two-
[1:48:40] member household it's going to just be a
20% reduction so $142 for two people or
[1:48:45] 71 a person a family plan for a thre
member household um so it's going to be
[1:48:51] $158 or $56 a person each additional
member 18 and we would cap that at five
[1:48:56] people a business plan so 10 employees
would be $100 and any additional 10 10
[1:49:01] employees would be another
$100 and a loow income plan for an
[1:49:05] entire household um for qualifying
residents would be 45 for the entire
[1:49:13] household are there other cities that
have subscription programs and is our
[1:49:18] enrollment rate similar our prices
similar can tell us a little about kind
[1:49:22] of
as you did a benchmark on this the there
[1:49:25] are many agencies that do have a
subscription program um they kind of
[1:49:30] vary from 45 um to the highest I've seen
was uh 180 um so we're kind of in the
[1:49:36] middle um but uh not too many offer the
business and family plans I've only seen
[1:49:41] about two other departments that do
that other questions I have a few go for
[1:49:47] it one to all right thank you so um I
think you kind of answered it within
[1:49:52] your Pres presentation but um so these
fees extra fees won't only be aren't
[1:49:58] only assessed when there's
Transportation so if there's a call and
[1:50:02] there's a a PCR put together and um goes
through dispatch somebody be charged
[1:50:08] roughly $90 and they're not transported
so the epcr Fe is
[1:50:13] $4.95 um so that would be a charge um
the um the dispatch fee 8418 um that
[1:50:23] would be a a charge as well um and then
the assessment fee definitely because we
[1:50:28] do even though we don't transport
patients we do treat patients um and
[1:50:32] sometimes we treat them and leave them
at home um so we're still utilizing
[1:50:36] those supplies okay and so I'm just like
scen running scenarios through my mind
[1:50:40] uh let's say kid gets hurt at the park
there no parents around you come and I'm
[1:50:45] assuming you can provide service to a
kid gets hurt and then how do you kind
[1:50:49] of follow up on that so everything is
documented it in our epcr and that goes
[1:50:54] to our billing company um it's outside
billing company Whitman and so they will
[1:50:58] handle the charges for us but let's say
little Garcia's at the park and mommy
[1:51:03] and daddy Garcia after at work um and
how do you how do you follow up when you
[1:51:10] you know it's like an eight-year-old
child and you don't have their
[1:51:13] information or is that not do we kind of
let those kind of slide or um we we
[1:51:17] gather all the information we can so
it's um we we can put in that patient's
[1:51:22] information and then based off address
and other personal information we can
[1:51:26] get those bills out okay okay thank you
um and then I guess that was one and two
[1:51:31] um the other question is so since we're
thankfully in automatic Aid let's say
[1:51:38] you are a member of the subscription
program but um the city of Arcadia
[1:51:42] transports you do they honor our
subscription program and do we honor
[1:51:47] theirs and how how does that work is
there reciprocity there yes the city
[1:51:50] will honor any transports made in s
audre from an outside agency and outside
[1:51:56] agencies honor our program as well that
I'm not sure
[1:52:03] about for example Arcadia and does honor
ours and and the reciprocity is there
[1:52:09] for for us as well for them um Pasadena
would be the same so those are pretty
[1:52:14] much the two occasionally we will have
somebody from San Marino or Hamra uh but
[1:52:21] would if we have subscription members
then we will work with that agency to to
[1:52:26] see if we can have them right basically
have a right off for it so but uh I most
[1:52:32] of ours are going to be Arcadia and we
do we do have that partnership with them
[1:52:37] thank you think that's all I have
wonderful staff report by the way I
[1:52:40] don't know if you put it together um
very easy to read very comprehensive
[1:52:43] thank you thank you C member c um I I
just wanted to get some commentary from
[1:52:49] staff on U the overall budgetary impact
of this seems like we're at raising fees
[1:52:56] by about
149,000 in a calendar year budgetary
[1:53:00] year um
and I'm I'm not seeing that we're
[1:53:06] getting anything for that other than
we're just reimbursing ourselves for
[1:53:10] things that we're already spending money
on right so that's going to that's a net
[1:53:14] plus of
$149,000 how are we going to actually
[1:53:18] use that those funds is that going to
be addressing other issues we have in
[1:53:23] the fire department I
hope that will have to go as part of our
[1:53:28] budget um cycle and uh and taken up with
our finance director and city manager
[1:53:35] um it it it's basically it is definitely
there should we have the need uh to
[1:53:41] increase the budget or basically our
budget is subsidizing all these costs as
[1:53:46] it is so at best my uh expectation would
be that it would just recoup that cost
[1:53:53] um now should we have a need for
additional funding within the department
[1:53:58] uh it is another resource that can be
looked at to help offset those costs but
[1:54:02] again that's going to be part of our our
budget cycle on budget talks uh every
[1:54:06] fiscal year but it does go on the
general fund right if I may add the
[1:54:10] funds do go into the general fund uh
during our our budget process we
[1:54:14] determine what the needs and priorities
are of the organization um and during
[1:54:20] those times we'll be looking at each
department incl ining the fire
[1:54:22] department uh to see if additional
resources are needed um currently we're
[1:54:27] running a projected deficit so this is
going to help Shore up that deficit but
[1:54:31] will also be U used in consideration for
uh for the needs of the general fund
[1:54:37] okay thank
[1:54:40] you I had one last question and I've
asked staff this way back when I just
[1:54:44] well way back it's only two years ago
when I started um on Council is when the
[1:54:49] original subscription plan was written I
believe it was 20 8 maybe prior council
[1:54:54] members will might remember this and I
believe maybe also other prior
[1:54:59] firefighters who are here might remember
this um it was written in that if you
[1:55:04] are a retired Cadre firefighter you were
waved the fee for the subscription fee
[1:55:12] and the premise was because you
volunteered your time full-time up to up
[1:55:16] to 15 years or more that this
subscription fee would be waved now
[1:55:21] we've never found the report
we've had lots of obviously we weren't
[1:55:25] digital back then um and I was really
hoping that maybe we could include that
[1:55:29] in this um and I I don't know if that's
are we allowed to do we're allowed to
[1:55:34] we're not allowed to add fees without
but we can wave fees
[1:55:41] correct um so so that that's correct
generally if if you're going to impose a
[1:55:46] fee there has to be some kind of study
or some some kind of information to to
[1:55:50] support that fee so we can justify that
work adjust a recovering costs and we're
[1:55:54] not returning a
profit um you can exclude groups from a
[1:56:00] fe but there has to be uh a rational
basis for it uh that's based on
[1:56:08] uh some some kind of some public
rationale so it can't be because we like
[1:56:14] these individuals no yes right it it has
to be because they provided some service
[1:56:18] to just for example provided some
service to the city is the city's
[1:56:21] benefit because they
will contribute volunteer hours in the
[1:56:25] future so it's it's
possible I just thought that you know
[1:56:30] and it was written into the pre the
original documentation if you find it
[1:56:34] says that it is waved for S Madre fire
department retirees and that's 15 years
[1:56:38] or more not people who resigned earlier
than that so I would like that to be
[1:56:43] added because the people that served
before n 2019 and it served for 15 years
[1:56:48] or more served for up to 40 hours a week
for free for the the
[1:56:54] city does that do we need to make any
changes to the we're still in questions
[1:57:01] here right yeah but I'm kind of
wondering if that we can do that so my
[1:57:05] question is can we do
[1:57:08] that yeah it I I think it's it's
probably possible
[1:57:15] but my my because I feel like I need to
study this uh it'd be my recommendation
[1:57:20] to move forward with as written and then
and then and then amended at some future
[1:57:25] date right uh to the extent you you said
you've you've searched for this document
[1:57:30] and search well I've asked staff to
search and I search and I couldn't find
[1:57:33] it but that was before we really
digitized um all of our agendas and I'd
[1:57:39] have to go through all the reports and I
was trying to go through all of 2008 and
[1:57:43] all of 2007's trying to figure out when
we started the subscription plan versus
[1:57:47] when we started Paramedic Services right
because if we're using that document as
[1:57:51] a justification and we can't find it it
it it's troubling me okay especially if
[1:57:58] we haven't done a thorough search yet
and I don't know that we have okay great
[1:58:04] all right any other
questions great then uh thank you very
[1:58:09] much I'd now like to open this up for um
public
[1:58:15] comment do we have any public comment
cards on this item U Mr Mayor we have no
[1:58:20] submissions for testimony on the public
public hearing great then I'll go ahead
[1:58:25] and bring it back for Council
[1:58:29] discussion thoughts
comments yeah I'd like that we now have
[1:58:34] a family plan um that's going to help
quite a few people want to get involved
[1:58:40] in this and um and use this service so I
that's something that's encouraging I
[1:58:46] trying to wrap my head around I probably
should ask the question um why I'm sure
[1:58:50] there was a study of business aren't as
frequent but why can why do businesses
[1:58:54] get $100 and up to 10 people and
families are more expensive and for
[1:58:58] three people but um I proa it's probably
because businesses don't their employees
[1:59:05] aren't as frequently having medical
medical issues um as a family would
[1:59:11] right so think I'm answer my question
but I like I like that we have a more of
[1:59:15] a menu now um which opens it opens it up
for more people taking advantage of the
[1:59:20] subscription program i al always love
that we're um we're recruit recouping
[1:59:25] some of our our hard costs um we're not
charging extra for the service we're
[1:59:31] just trying to recruit pass through
costs that we're being charged ourselves
[1:59:34] so I think I like the way it's formatted
great other discussion
[1:59:41] comments i' be I'd feel better about
this if I knew that we could do better
[1:59:47] than 5% you know participation in the
subscription plan I think when people
[1:59:53] when work gets out we might see an
uptick by a few percentage points but
[1:59:57] this is a very substantial cost increase
for people who find that their insurance
[2:00:02] is not covering them you it's almost 300
bucks and for some people that's that's
[2:00:07] a that's a GameChanger so you know I I
get the fact that we need budget help
[2:00:13] there's no question about it so I'm
going to support it for that
[2:00:16] reason but um gosh I do agree with you
council member Garcia that the family
[2:00:23] plan is very enticing so I'm hoping that
maybe if we Market this we can
[2:00:29] get 15% 20% something like that people
who might reasonably you know have a
[2:00:36] probability of needing something like
this so that maybe they get caught and
[2:00:40] protected it's you know going over these
costs the total cost for transports gosh
[2:00:46] four grand right yeah in our household
my decision is do I just cover me and
[2:00:52] the kids don't need it my wife doesn't
need it she's younger than me you know
[2:00:55] so you make those but when there's a
family plan to your point I think we
[2:00:59] we'll get a higher subscription
hopefully get a higher subscription uh
[2:01:03] rate sorry coun uh no it's okay or mayor
Pro um I was gonna
[2:01:07] inquire when you go to pay for this do
you have to come to City Hall and pay
[2:01:12] for it or is there an online ability to
sign up and pay because that would seem
[2:01:16] to me to really increase subscription
when you don't have to come to City Hall
[2:01:21] write a check which I don't have just L
boom and credit card yeah just online
[2:01:25] and auto payment for every year is also
very Auto renewal which I don't think
[2:01:29] there is
please um we are working on on future um
[2:01:35] I think with the new asella program we
will be able to work with the planning
[2:01:39] department to help Implement uh some of
our fees within that the paramedical
[2:01:44] subscription program being one of them
uh currently it is a check that will
[2:01:49] come in and we process that at the
counter
[2:01:52] and it is
uh I I I do believe for more signups if
[2:01:58] we get this automated it would be a lot
better um and council member Garcia's I
[2:02:03] definitely a recurring charge that maybe
you can opt out of if you if you choose
[2:02:08] to uh would just make it easier for for
folks to never have to worry about it uh
[2:02:12] you're you're covered until you you opt
out but we are looking at that um and
[2:02:18] and we finally have the the platforms
and the tools I think to be able to
[2:02:21] implement that I think maybe the problem
with um if we have fee increases in the
[2:02:25] future we would need to notify everybody
that's part of a re reoccurring charge
[2:02:30] that there's a fee increase that might
be a little bit problematic um but I I
[2:02:35] really it's I don't for my water bill I
love that I don't have
[2:02:40] to pay it every I it just gets paid
right the business license I don't have
[2:02:45] that so I but it's now online right yeah
so but still um I I would prefer it was
[2:02:50] just autopay so I could just pay that
one one of if I may as well one of the
[2:02:53] other uh options that we're looking at
as well is um hopefully we will be
[2:02:58] upgrading the city's website and we'll
be able to get it on there as well where
[2:03:01] you can just go through the city's
website and sign up uh enter enter some
[2:03:05] uh form of payment uh and through that
as well so again we're looking at all
[2:03:10] options to make this easier uh for our
residents and while we've got you here
[2:03:16] just to to clarify we've gone through
three different fees that are on here so
[2:03:20] we've got the EPC CR fee we've got the
first responder fee we've got one uh one
[2:03:26] other fee in here so if you sign up for
the subscription plan all of those fees
[2:03:30] are covered plus the the transportation
is that correct or are the other fees uh
[2:03:35] would they still be
there there's going to be some variables
[2:03:40] to that uh for instance if we transport
you you and you're part and you are part
[2:03:45] of the paramedic subscription program
whatever the insurance we will still do
[2:03:49] our third- party billing and insurance
will pay what they pay uh but all other
[2:03:53] private uh payment will be
waved um now again it it depends on your
[2:04:00] your your provider your insurance
provider and what they're going to cover
[2:04:02] we all have different policies and plans
so it that's why I say there there's
[2:04:06] some variables to that however we will
not be going after anybody for
[2:04:11] additional private payment if you're
signed up for this nor do we anyways uh
[2:04:16] but the insurance covers pretty much all
of it so so the the these epcr fees and
[2:04:22] all those they would be waved if they
ended up being a a fee afterwards after
[2:04:26] transport if they were part of the
subscription plan correct so so for
[2:04:30] example if it's a $4,000 uh transport
fee including
[2:04:34] Services um and your insurance company
covered 2,000 of it you're part of the
[2:04:39] paramedic subscription program um you're
not going to be charged the $2,000 out
[2:04:43] of pocket hopefully for your $89 for
even a single person you're you're
[2:04:48] covered
yeah okay
[2:04:52] okay any any further
discussion all right well then I will
[2:04:59] entertain a motion for this item I move
that we approve the fee schedule
[2:05:05] adjustments for the sad fire
department second all right all in favor
[2:05:12] I I any
oppos all right motion carries we will
[2:05:16] move now from public
hearing uh to so I think the order if I
[2:05:23] remember correctly is ordinance
1487 is that right the the city manager
[2:05:28] or were we going to do the um the new
item that I've since it's not written in
[2:05:34] front of me I I missed it as we were
doing that right yes it's a discussion
[2:05:39] of the new item and the new item being
um a dis a dis continuing a discussion
[2:05:46] of the Proclamation of the local
emergency in light of uh the Imp pending
[2:05:52] rain all right and you were we we we did
that one first right right all right and
[2:05:57] so uh city manager Ros so will you be
giving the local emergency so so mayor
[2:06:05] on um on January 9th we had a special
meeting uh to declare a fire
[2:06:12] emergency uh and we are now
concentrating our efforts on a debris
[2:06:18] and mud flow emergency uh so we'd like
to amend uh the the decision that was
[2:06:25] made on January 9th to include mud flow
and debris um much of what we uh were
[2:06:30] going to discuss in the presentation was
covered by staff um in in public comment
[2:06:35] uh however Senior Management analyst
Carlson uh is available to give an
[2:06:40] update again if needed um if not we can
we can move to to questions or and and
[2:06:46] just one short update um the city
council proclaim the local emergency
[2:06:53] regarding the fire under government code
section 8630 that same code section
[2:06:57] requires the council to revisit their
Proclamation every 60 days at a
[2:07:02] minimum uh and at some point they have
to end that local emergency the city
[2:07:07] managers requesting that we continue the
proclamation of local emergency and the
[2:07:11] benefit of doing so is it provides the
city manager with the authority as
[2:07:15] Emergency Services director which we're
going to talk about again on the agenda
[2:07:19] later on um to adopt executive orders as
necessary so if we continue this uh
[2:07:28] local emergency and you make findings
that the impending rain might lead to
[2:07:34] debris flows that can lead to an
emergency in the
[2:07:37] city uh then the city manager will have
the authority to adopt any kinds of
[2:07:42] executive orders that are essentially
just regulations that can be imposed uh
[2:07:47] at his Direction without having to come
to council to get approval first
[2:07:52] examples would be uh parking
restrictions or evacuation orders or
[2:07:57] those these things may run counter to
the ordinances on the books but he can
[2:08:01] do so as Emergency Services director
during the emergency period got it is
[2:08:07] there anything else with the
presentation for that item I I don't
[2:08:11] believe so I believe we covered
everything during okay during our our
[2:08:15] public comment then what I'd like to do
is just move into to council questions
[2:08:20] so I imagine there's some question
questions anybody have any questions are
[2:08:24] we initiating our emergency um
EOC our EOC is going to open tomorrow at
[2:08:30] 6:00 am at level two level two and I
guess never mind I'll ask the question
[2:08:36] when we get down to that other item
about emergency director or director of
[2:08:40] emergencies uh I had a question so if
we're if we are um um including mud and
[2:08:48] debris flow it doesn't reset the 60-day
clock right so 60 day clock is still
[2:08:52] tied to to January to January 9th or
January 7th it would it would it would
[2:08:57] extend it um I think what I'll do
because we agendize this on an emergency
[2:09:01] basis that if this if the city council
decides to extend this local emergency
[2:09:07] and include uh in light of the impending
rainstorm then I'm going to come before
[2:09:13] the city council at the next meeting and
place this on consent with the added
[2:09:17] language so you'll see a revised local
emergency declaration and you'll just
[2:09:22] adopt that one on consent with the
language that you approve today so this
[2:09:26] would take us then through um April 11th
so that that takes us a good portion
[2:09:34] through the end of the rainy season
because rainy season city manager Ros so
[2:09:39] is it April 30th is that typically the
typically yes yeah and the city council
[2:09:45] can always end the local emergency at
any time right right but we'd have to do
[2:09:49] it by by by the end of
uh of April correct okay 60
[2:09:55] days so as I as I recall during that
emergency meeting we did we did discuss
[2:10:01] um the the whole event as being Wind
Fire and we were preemptively thinking
[2:10:10] about de debris flow and I I know I
asked the question do this Proclamation
[2:10:15] I think it was probably for FEMA
purposes of the time but does this
[2:10:17] Proclamation Encompass the debris flow
as well so do we even need to change
[2:10:22] language or I I still think we're okay
with it as written this is kind of about
[2:10:26] suspender approach because the the
resolution itself doesn't reference the
[2:10:31] brief flow someone would have to go back
uh transcribe the meeting and reference
[2:10:37] the specific portion where there's a
discussion of debris flow I think it's
[2:10:40] probably a safer approach to include
actual language regarding debris flow in
[2:10:44] the resolution itself that's going to be
adopted by Council okay thank you does
[2:10:48] this change the incident overall to
include not just the fire but as well as
[2:10:54] the if we say we have some mud debris
flow or some type of action that we do
[2:11:00] have or any emergencies we do have
related to the rain does that attach it
[2:11:04] as one incident then because we're under
the same emergency local emergency order
[2:11:10] uh so the answer is yes for purposes of
our local emergency but that's not
[2:11:15] necessarily the case for purposes of
FEMA reimbursement for example these are
[2:11:18] two separate Concepts okay thank you
thank you
[2:11:22] other
questions all right then I'd like to
[2:11:26] open this up for public comment do we
have any comment cards on this
[2:11:30] item uh not on this instrument I
wouldn't imagine since it was an
[2:11:34] emergency ad is there anyone from the
audience seeing none bring it back to
[2:11:40] the council for discussion any further
discussion on this
[2:11:44] item seeing none um I believe this is an
item that needs to be voted on is that
[2:11:50] correct all right I will entertain a
motion to uh to what should we what is
[2:11:56] this one officially going to be called
the the extending local emergency yeah I
[2:12:00] I think it's going to be if I can
suggest the motion it's it's
[2:12:05] continuing uh continuing the
proclamation of a local emergency caused
[2:12:11] by the eaten
fire
[2:12:15] including uh potential debris
flows okay and I think that referen
[2:12:21] should be sufficient and I will come
back to the city C if if you approve it
[2:12:24] with that uh I will come back to the
city council at the next meeting and I
[2:12:28] will have a revised resolution that the
city council can can vote on at that
[2:12:33] time I move that we continue the
proclamation of local
[2:12:37] emergency uh caused by the eaten fire
and any subsequent potential debris flow
[2:12:43] second all favor I I any
opposed all right all right so now move
[2:12:51] on to ordinance
1478 uh city manager director of
[2:12:55] emergency services and um then we have
mayor if i' if I may I'd like to
[2:13:01] introduce uh Deputy City attorney Julia
homeria to present great welcome thank
[2:13:10] you uh so this ordinance would be
designating the city manager as the
[2:13:15] Director of Emergency Services which
previously the city of Sierra Madre had
[2:13:21] an emergency services and disaster
commission which was formerly codified
[2:13:26] in Municipal Code chapter
2.32 under which the city manager was
[2:13:31] designated as the Director of Emergency
Services however in 2020 an ordinance
[2:13:37] was adopted to reduce the number of
Commissioners for active commissions and
[2:13:43] to remove remove code references to
inactive commissions that ordinance
[2:13:48] dissolved the emergency services in
disaster commission and inadvertently
[2:13:53] repealed the designation of the city
manager as the Director of Emergency
[2:14:00] Services the government code requires
that for a local emergency to be
[2:14:04] proclaimed either the city council must
meet at an emergency special or regular
[2:14:10] meeting to proclaim the emergency or
Council May authorize a staff member to
[2:14:15] proclaim a local emergency and then must
ratify that within 7 days
[2:14:21] the eaten fire demonstrated why city
council uh should designate the city
[2:14:25] manager as director of emergency
services and reinstate his authority to
[2:14:30] proclaim a local emergency this would
allow for a more timely response to such
[2:14:35] an emergency as it does not require city
council to meet for a proclamation and
[2:14:41] thus mobilizes resource for Aid and
relief in the city's time of
[2:14:46] need this ordinance does not undermine
the authority of council since the
[2:14:51] council will still need to ratify the
proclamation um within 7
[2:14:56] days and um this is common practice
within many cities including our
[2:15:01] neighboring cities of Pasadena Arcadia
and San Marino whose Municipal codes all
[2:15:07] designate the city manager as director
of Emergency
[2:15:11] Services lastly this ordinance also
makes um an administrative amendment to
[2:15:16] clarify that the city manager has the
authority to appoint and remove move the
[2:15:21] city clerk now that the city clerk is no
longer an elective
[2:15:27] office great is that the end of your
report yeah any questions great
[2:15:31] questions I have one please uh so in
section three um so uh
[2:15:38] 2.8.1 140 um subsection B designation of
alternate uh it states the the director
[2:15:44] of Emergency Services shall designate
the order of succession to that office
[2:15:49] to take effect in the event the direct
is unavailable to attend meetings and
[2:15:52] otherwise perform his or her duties
during an emergency such orders of
[2:15:56] succession shall be approved by the city
council so I'm just trying to
[2:16:01] contemplate how do we have that
alternate designated already without
[2:16:07] coming to the council to then approve
that so in case the city manager does
[2:16:11] become incapacitated during an
emergency do I I would I would prefer to
[2:16:16] have that um order of of secession
already in place rather than than having
[2:16:21] to come to the council and figure out
who that is under an emergency meeting
[2:16:25] is that is that does the language
contemplate that or does that need to be
[2:16:29] changed if if that's the will of the
council the intention would be that the
[2:16:34] alternate would be designated in advance
as your um mentioning but I would have
[2:16:38] to defer to the City attorney for
whether the language would need to be
[2:16:42] amended yeah thank you council member
you you can write that language in if
[2:16:46] you'd like and designate in this
ordinance who that who the successor to
[2:16:50] the city manager would be you can or you
can strike this language and have the
[2:16:55] city manager determine for himself who
his successor is going to be or you can
[2:16:59] leave it as is and adopt a resolution at
sometime in the future so you don't have
[2:17:03] to mess with the ordinance and you adopt
a resolution identifying the chain of
[2:17:10] succession and I'll wait till discussion
to talk about that a little bit yeah
[2:17:14] yeah okay other
questions so I I I had a question um so
[2:17:22] you said and and it says in the report
that um it also makes the administrative
[2:17:26] amendment to clarify that the city
manager has the authority to appoint and
[2:17:30] remove the city clerk I don't see that
in the um the strike through oh there it
[2:17:37] is never mind I now see it in item C uh
there so it it takes so so that's the
[2:17:44] change it takes out the city clerk at in
item C of uh 28.70
[2:17:52] okay I correct that's it okay great
thank you um any other
[2:17:58] questions all right I'd like to open
this up to public comment city clerk did
[2:18:03] we receive any comment cards for uh
public comment on this agenda item we
[2:18:09] have not Mr Mayor great then I'll bring
it back to council for a
[2:18:14] discussion would you like to lead it off
you you had had a thought council member
[2:18:19] Garcia yeah and I so I think
I think what the City attorney um
[2:18:23] recommended it's probably prudent so we
can get this if we're going to pass this
[2:18:27] thing we can get it passed because EOC
is going to be open tomorrow
[2:18:32] um my concern is you know if we put like
the language has to be careful because
[2:18:38] you know sometimes we might have a
deputy city city manager sometimes we
[2:18:42] might not sometimes we might have an
assistant city manager sometimes we
[2:18:46] might not so maybe it's to attorney
geagan's recommendation that the that
[2:18:51] the city the city manager appoints that
individual might be The Prudent way but
[2:18:56] um I think we just need to be careful
about organizationally who we who we
[2:19:01] designate as the successor if we're
going to be the one designating the
[2:19:04] successor as per item be
here I I would tend to agree with you
[2:19:09] that when as you were talking about that
as you as you teed it up that was where
[2:19:13] my mind was going was rather than having
that that a detailed succession plan or
[2:19:17] even a you know even one position things
change um I I would we we have
[2:19:25] um our city managers demonstrated that
that um he is very capable of making the
[2:19:32] decisions empowering people within it um
we've seen that with at least the the
[2:19:36] last city manager as well I think it's
incumbent upon us to make sure that the
[2:19:40] city manager that that that we have or
the council has in the future has that
[2:19:44] same set of of skills and abilities so I
I I think empowering the team is is uh
[2:19:50] the way I would lean on
this I agree since our job is to
[2:19:55] basically assure that we have a city
manager that is um effective at what our
[2:20:03] people want and what our needs and
obviously our city managers displayed
[2:20:06] this and he knows his team best whereas
we don't since we're not in charge of
[2:20:11] his staff yeah so I agree that leaving
it to him is is under his purview sure
[2:20:18] with you it shouldn't be actually should
not be NE necessarily our position
[2:20:22] because we're not we're not in charge of
Staff we're not interacting agreed so do
[2:20:27] we need to make a change to the
resolution at all yes this mayor mayor
[2:20:31] so this language and uh the deputy City
attorney can correct me I believe this
[2:20:35] language was in the original version
that was struck correct so so this is a
[2:20:41] this is a carryover from the prior
language so we reincluded it and if the
[2:20:45] city council wants to authorize the city
manager to choose his own successor then
[2:20:50] then I think you just strike the last
sentence of us of paragraph B of section
[2:20:59] 2.08
one40 and i' I'd like to have a a
[2:21:04] greater understanding of the alternate
you know let's let's
[2:21:07] say city manager is with the fire chief
at instant command and something happens
[2:21:14] in the city that needs to be decided
upon
[2:21:17] immediately um does that does that
individual have the power at that point
[2:21:22] in time or is it does the city manager
have to be incapacitated or out of town
[2:21:26] or something else for that to
occur so I I I can give you a couple of
[2:21:33] examples one of the one of the benefits
that we have in s Moder and I can't
[2:21:37] speak for any other city but we do run
tabletop exercises um and we have
[2:21:43] scenarios um and we do have backups and
so in my case um assistant city manager
[2:21:49] Hernandez would step in
um and then we look at the type of
[2:21:52] emergency um if it's a fire related
emergency and and the fire chief is
[2:21:57] available he may be the most appropriate
person to step in if it's a police
[2:22:01] emergency um then uh police chief bentos
may be the most appropriate person to
[2:22:06] step in uh but I think it's through that
process of understanding the emergencies
[2:22:10] and having uh those tabletop exercises
to to have the back fill for uh when and
[2:22:15] if I need to step out um there are
occasions where I need to step out to uh
[2:22:20] deal with uh our legislative body and
and I have to leave somebody in command
[2:22:24] um typically assistant city manager um
Hernandez will step in if it's a 24-hour
[2:22:29] emergency where we trade off and he
serves at one time and I serve at a
[2:22:32] different time those are some of the
situations um and examples yeah because
[2:22:35] to me like item five represent the city
and all dealings with public or private
[2:22:39] agencies or matters pertaining to
emergencies like if you are not
[2:22:42] available and it's it's imminent that
something needs to be decided upon right
[2:22:47] then I I feel comfortable for our
citizens that somebody's there that can
[2:22:51] make that decision that doesn't have to
be something that we're
[2:22:54] designating okay
[2:22:57] good so um if we were then to strike
that last sentence uh of
[2:23:06] uh what is it
item uh B thank you yes of Item B uh uh
[2:23:14] section three section three uh
140 so so we can do that now and adopt
[2:23:22] the ordinance is that correct uh correct
you can would we need to
[2:23:29] add at the city manager discretion or
some kind of the director of Emergency
[2:23:34] Services shall designate the order of
succession to that office to take effect
[2:23:37] in the event the director is unavailable
to attend meetings and otherwise perform
[2:23:41] his or her duties during an
emergency okay and then we strike such
[2:23:45] orders of sucession shall be approved by
the city
[2:23:49] council all right all
right are we ready for a motion on this
[2:23:59] item I move to approve ordinance 1478 as
amended do I have a second second all in
[2:24:08] favor I I any
opposed all right great so now um this
[2:24:15] takes us to our um next discussion item
sign placement in public Parkways uh
[2:24:23] Parkways and I believe that we have
assistant planner hang to come and
[2:24:27] present that is that correct that is
correct
[2:24:38] mayor thank you mayor Parkers um good
evening mayor and members of the city
[2:24:43] council tonight we have for discussion
sign placement and public Parkways
[2:24:49] currently in our municipal code in title
10 a Parkway is defined to mean that
[2:24:54] portion of a street other than a
traveled roadway this is also commonly
[2:24:59] known as the portion between a sidewalk
and the public rideway often with a form
[2:25:04] of
landscaping the code currently does not
[2:25:08] contain a specific rule regarding sign
placements in
[2:25:12] Parkways however it does prohibit all
signs on public property or rideway
[2:25:18] except for garage and yard sale signs
since a public or since a Parkway is
[2:25:24] public property staff interprets the
prohibition to apply to signs placed in
[2:25:29] Parkways as
well previously in the last December
[2:25:35] December meeting mayor proem loo direct
the staff to include the discussion of
[2:25:39] signs in a
Parkway it is recognized that the
[2:25:43] restrictions of signs um sign placement
in Parkways May create challenges during
[2:25:49] election seasons
when individuals seek to display signs
[2:25:53] to support candidates or ballot measures
or even signs to support local sport
[2:25:59] leagues or clubs however the relevant
provisions of the city's sign ordinance
[2:26:05] have not been amended since 2003 and
staff recommends the city council to
[2:26:10] discuss and provide Direction with the
consideration that an amendment would
[2:26:14] either one prohibit the placement of
signs on public property without a
[2:26:19] Content based exception or two permit
signs in Parkways subject to content
[2:26:25] neutral regulations such as size color
location um duration and
[2:26:33] Etc and factors to consider when
drafting an amendment would include
[2:26:38] enhanced Community
engagement um some enforcement
[2:26:44] challenges that may include sign
placements in pedestrian
[2:26:48] Pathways um utility or hydrant access
traffic visibility and unauthorized
[2:26:54] signage and lastly a balanced approach
to Public Safety this may include the
[2:26:59] proposed amendments that include clear
guidelines for the
[2:27:03] number um for the number location and
duration of signs um to ensure Public
[2:27:10] Safety and minimize potential hazards
and to also note that the allowance of
[2:27:16] signs in a public public ride of way may
introduce an added risk and liability
[2:27:22] for the city's risk management thank
you thank you for that
[2:27:28] presentation
questions um I appreciate the
[2:27:33] introduction from public around um
ordinance
[2:27:38] 1220 uh
12207 duty of abuting land owners to
[2:27:44] cultivate trees and public property
which I I would would like in the report
[2:27:48] because that was the validation for for
why I brought this forward and I know
[2:27:53] you guys have a print out by the way of
this ordinance um because the validation
[2:27:59] was that if it is it's public land but
Property Owners I'm sorry residents are
[2:28:07] given the duty to maintain the grass the
trees weeds Vines
[2:28:13] debris and the water for IT Supplies the
gardening for it and all such we we're
[2:28:19] we're designating to maintain that my
question is one you know why I guess why
[2:28:25] was that ever designated is that normal
for all cities is it just us my second
[2:28:30] question would be what about homes that
don't have a sidewalk how do we know
[2:28:33] what is property of public land versus
like how do we know their their their
[2:28:37] offset like where is the public land
versus the personal residence property
[2:28:43] line before you answer I just I have a
process question so are our agenda item
[2:28:51] is on sign placement in public Parkways
and I understand the overlap of this is
[2:28:56] there anything like is
this because this is a discussion item
[2:29:01] and we're coming it back are we okay
with noticing on all of this is that do
[2:29:05] we need to do we need to agendize this
separately or or can is this something
[2:29:09] we can is this a a rabbit Trail we can
go down yeah I I I think for discussion
[2:29:14] purposes it's it's fine because there's
no ordinance before the city council for
[2:29:18] consideration if the city council IL
directs us to we can consider an
[2:29:23] ordinance Amendment for the for that
cited ordinance section as well got it
[2:29:27] okay I apologize that Rabbit Trail is is
not the right way to is this a another
[2:29:32] another facet of this so please go ahead
and uh answer so I guess question number
[2:29:38] one would be is it normal to require
residents to maintain the are we calling
[2:29:45] it I think I I've heard two definitions
are we calling it the um Parkway Parkway
[2:29:51] or the there was another term used
earlier RightWay
[2:29:55] rideway is there a difference between a
rideway and a I guess there's three
[2:29:58] questions there is there a difference
between a side
[2:30:01] uh the two different terms thank you
mayor protim for the question um so a
[2:30:07] Parkway is considered part of the public
rideway if um that answers your question
[2:30:14] there then what's a ride of
way
[2:30:18] um so right away would be considered
public property um and if Public Works
[2:30:26] has a definition for
[2:30:30] that uh thank you mayor protim L thank
you um I get this question a lot what's
[2:30:36] a Parkway um especially if there's not a
sidewalk um the ride of way is
[2:30:42] everything everything between the
private property lines it could include
[2:30:47] a sidewalk could include a v veg itated
Parkway it includes a street and then
[2:30:53] going over you got your curb again maybe
another sidewalk maybe not right of way
[2:30:59] is everything in between the private
property lines very common to call from
[2:31:05] the private property line to the curb a
Parkway okay that's definitely whether
[2:31:12] it has a sidewalk or not yeah and then
the only way for somebody to know how
[2:31:17] far is what the size of their Parkway is
is to call the public works department
[2:31:22] we have a map and we have it all um we
have to look it up for them it's it's a
[2:31:27] wide
variety so I guess the problem I guess
[2:31:30] I'm asking is do
we do we
[2:31:36] have why do we have the requirement of
residents is that normal to have
[2:31:43] residents having to maintain the rideway
or the
[2:31:50] Parkway this this section of the code
was included with an update to the tree
[2:31:54] preservation and protection uh part of
the municipal code in
[2:31:59] 2014 um I actually was around at that
time so I think the the impetus and the
[2:32:05] purpose was to have adjacent Property
Owners take care of their trees a little
[2:32:10] bit more than maybe some of the other
details that are outlined in this
[2:32:13] section that's my best correct
recollection as to you know why this was
[2:32:19] inserted it was part of a tree ordinance
can I can I follow up on yeah I would I
[2:32:24] remember that discussion M and part of
the discussion was that private property
[2:32:29] owners planted the trees in the
Parkway and the they they can and and so
[2:32:34] there was a debate about well who's can
you even trim a tree if I planted it in
[2:32:38] the parkway yeah then you know then
there was that's I remember what that's
[2:32:43] what we're talking about that that still
exists to B we really didn't resolve it
[2:32:47] yeah and you know we think we you know
we have an inventory with our with our
[2:32:52] contractor on trees that the city plants
and then trees that are there that
[2:32:58] nobody knows who planted right so I I
agree I think that was a component of
[2:33:02] the discussion in
2014 so I I see there's two lines of
[2:33:08] questioning here and I I what I'd like
to propose for us is is since we've
[2:33:12] started down the line of of trees let's
start with trees ask questions about
[2:33:17] that and then then I'd like to pause and
then and then do signs because I think
[2:33:20] there's some different questions on on
each if not just trees but maintenance
[2:33:24] of the whole you got maintenance
maintenance of of the Parkway and then
[2:33:30] signs on it right yeah I I think because
that's the whole validation of why I
[2:33:33] introduced this but I but I I do think I
do think yeah I do think maintaining
[2:33:37] trees is not within uh the the
description we have in the agenda it is
[2:33:44] it is Parkways I think I think
discussion of Parkways is okay but as
[2:33:47] soon as we get into tree maintenance and
can just say Parkway maintenance then
[2:33:51] because that's what I was asking
right because my questions are going to
[2:33:56] go straight down to trees yeah yeah I
think we should stay away from tree
[2:33:59] maintenance because it's just not part
of the agenda descrip so when I when I
[2:34:04] agendized this it was specifically
because I said if you are requiring a
[2:34:08] property owner or the resident to
maintain the S the side the other side
[2:34:12] of the sidewalk or whatever the property
line is for the right away then I should
[2:34:16] be able to put what sign I want to on
there I mean Within
[2:34:20] within whatever code we designed so
that's why I brought up the discussion
[2:34:23] item but that code isn't in the report
so that's why I said I asked for it
[2:34:27] before this and I'm hoping and I'm glad
we have it but the public doesn't have
[2:34:31] it you can still argue for it it doesn't
have to be in the report you can argue
[2:34:34] for it so that was agree with you yeah
so so let's try to stay with with it
[2:34:38] with with questions there's a there's a
clear need for for for discussion here
[2:34:43] and so so are there other questions on
on the the the uh on the maintenance of
[2:34:51] public Parkways I think it's should I
ask that again do most cities do this
[2:34:55] are we the only
[2:34:58] one I do believe most cities do have the
property owner maintain their um Parkway
[2:35:06] area in front of their home that they
are adjacent
[2:35:10] to
[2:35:13] okay questions yeah so regarding sign
placement um there there was a and I
[2:35:19] know this is a kind of a oneoff but
there was a business
[2:35:25] owner who also was leas had the enhanced
sidewalk program are therefore leasing
[2:35:30] some of the property of the city and
they wanted to place a sign in the bow
[2:35:36] out that's adjacent to the area they're
leasing um would that then be something
[2:35:42] under their control or is that still a
public right of way because it was a
[2:35:47] public property that's being subleased
by a
[2:35:51] business and I know it's
very oneoff but the business owner asked
[2:35:59] me about that no it's actually a really
good question um and we haven't been
[2:36:03] confronted with that as far as I know
but when we do uh do one of those bow
[2:36:07] out leases for one of the I think four
businesses we asked for a site plan at
[2:36:13] that point that's when we could look and
see maybe if there's a sign proposed um
[2:36:18] part of what we're looking for in the
site plan is Ada this was a temporary
[2:36:23] sign not a permanent sign so this would
be a political sign let's um again we
[2:36:28] haven't been asked that we would look
for Ada first of all and then actually
[2:36:33] the uh planning and Community
preservation department does have some
[2:36:36] parameters on what the sign's content
can
[2:36:40] be
um but um if it wasn't a leased space
[2:36:46] it's as simple as an encroachment permit
as long as Ada and everything else is
[2:36:51] fine if it's a lease space that's a new
question for me that so that would
[2:36:55] include like the signs that stores put
up like I'm inside we have a special
[2:37:00] today yeah okay I have a question yes
please so um okay so getting back to
[2:37:06] this issue that's in the agenda um do
are we aware of any documented instance
[2:37:13] where
somebody uh got into some kind of an a
[2:37:16] car accident or perhaps tripped on a
sidewalk walk be uh which was
[2:37:21] precipitated by the existence of a
political sign in a
[2:37:25] Parkway has it been a documented public
safety hazard now to my knowledge okay
[2:37:31] thank
you other questions would this also and
[2:37:35] I as in my questions would this also
have to include the signage in the park
[2:37:39] that we put up to to help build
community with the
[2:37:43] walking like the library signs then
would those not be actually allowed I
[2:37:48] know Caitlyn is discussing this with me
and I don't know where it ended up so
[2:37:52] I'll let Caitlyn take that and and also
we we designed it for the new park but
[2:37:57] The
Meadows thank you for the question so
[2:38:01] the code currently prohibits signs that
are in the public RightWay or public
[2:38:07] property
yeah so that is so so so technically the
[2:38:13] library signs in the in Memorial Park
are not allowed according to our
[2:38:19] ordinance only only if those signs were
placed by private individuals government
[2:38:25] so if the government places signs on its
own property that's totally fine that's
[2:38:28] government speech on its own property
okay as long as okay yeah doesn't
[2:38:33] violate any other like political signs
they wouldn't be able to do because that
[2:38:37] violates their other corre wait wait
wait wait wait wait you're so back up so
[2:38:42] that's government speech on government
property
[2:38:47] okay I thought we had had freedom of
speech for everybody on government
[2:38:51] property doesn't anyone have a right to
make a public statement on public
[2:38:55] property not statement you can yeah
that's what's that's what a sign is it's
[2:38:58] an expression of free speech free
political speech the city can prohibit
[2:39:03] signage on let's say a park for reasons
that are you just have to have a
[2:39:08] rational basis for it so for example if
a park is supposed to be used for
[2:39:13] recreation you don't want to have signs
in that green space because people can't
[2:39:17] recreate so so long as you can TI it to
some rational basis then you can justify
[2:39:21] that
prohibition well I I I get that so
[2:39:24] you're saying that we're treating a sign
put right in the middle of Memorial Park
[2:39:29] the same as a sign in a Parkway where
the sign in the parkway presumably
[2:39:34] hasn't got a real it's not really
impeding with the sign in the Memorial
[2:39:38] Park is obviously a problem right so
we're treating these as if they're the
[2:39:43] same right yeah and and I'll add the the
sign in the park way is more problematic
[2:39:51] for a reason that was addressed in the
staff report which is it's creating a
[2:39:56] Content based difference between what
can be placed and what can't be placed
[2:40:01] so we have currently the ordinance that
says you can place yard signs but you
[2:40:05] can't place political
signs uh this ordinance was adopted in
[2:40:11] 2003 the law has evolved since then um
when this has come up we've told staff
[2:40:17] uh not to enforce this strictly because
uh it's it's probably legally suspect uh
[2:40:22] given the evolution in the law you can't
have content-based restrictions on
[2:40:29] speech you could have it but you could
have uh restrictions based on other
[2:40:36] things like size or on non-content based
non-content based that apply across the
[2:40:42] board got it and and so we also don't
that would we haven't included things
[2:40:49] like little league and thank you to our
firefighters like that's not in our
[2:40:53] language to be able to include those in
public space either correct right and I
[2:40:59] just want to be clear you're talking
about private individuals placing these
[2:41:03] things yes so like the little
advertisements to sign up for AYSO at
[2:41:07] the park are actually not supposed to be
there yeah and and just to draw another
[2:41:11] distinction again to to council member
gos this point when the city places it
[2:41:15] signs on its own property it's acting as
a private property owner the city is a
[2:41:20] private property owner and it can
exercise the same rights that private
[2:41:23] property owners have to place to do
whatever it wants with his private
[2:41:25] property including the placing assigns
and prohibiting others from placing
[2:41:28] signs on that public property unless
that property is a designated public
[2:41:35] forum then there's a different issue and
the First Amendment law is a little
[2:41:39] complex on this point I can get into
that if you
[2:41:42] like so when there isn't an
actual sidewalk in
[2:41:50] Parkway what is then the parkway like a
house that doesn't have a um sidewalk
[2:41:58] what's the where is the parkway
[2:42:03] then it is a it's a
predetermined um foot or or half a foot
[2:42:10] from the face of the curb in towards the
private property and there's an
[2:42:15] invisible line how how how long did you
say half a foot no it's different
[2:42:19] everywhere it could it's it's broken
down to um uh a a full foot or a half a
[2:42:26] foot it's not broken down by an inch oh
okay yeah so it could be 5 and A2 feet
[2:42:30] in from the face of the curb it could
be8 feet in from the face of the curb
[2:42:34] and it's really is an invisible line so
it it it's based it's based on the title
[2:42:38] of the property then yes okay and so
when when when the parcels were created
[2:42:43] in that area it's based on on how that
that
[2:42:47] that part of land was parceled out yes
track maps and then um you can you can
[2:42:54] get a survey to get it down to the
quarter of an inch or whatever you need
[2:42:59] um but we do have the maps that tell you
how many feet or feet point5 it is got
[2:43:04] it so conceivably we could have built a
road almost all the way to the property
[2:43:09] line and then there's
no quote unquote Parkway or public ride
[2:43:15] or extra public rideway beyond the curb
there's really no Parkways in the canyon
[2:43:19] areas for example so he can never put a
sidewalk there
[2:43:23] right interesting
interesting thank you so so so wait hold
[2:43:29] on that that so that's a real that's a
really good question so then then um for
[2:43:34] signs in the
[2:43:38] canyon how does how do how does our
current ordinance deal with signs in the
[2:43:43] canyon so if you want to put a sign in
the canyon and you don't have a a
[2:43:46] Parkway
what ordinance how does the ordinance
[2:43:51] apply in that case because then then
it's on the building right or it's on
[2:43:56] private property it's on private that's
on private
[2:44:00] property okay thank
you other
[2:44:06] questions I don't think so are we
contemplating I know it's in the staff
[2:44:10] report um one of the things we could
talk about is number of signs um have we
[2:44:15] done a survey I think to Mayor Pro Low's
point of how many sign you know looking
[2:44:22] at other cities how many signs they
permit when they do permit um or do do
[2:44:26] cities even permit signs in Parkways um
around us direct ly
[2:44:37] know so um thank you for the question um
we did a survey of surrounding cities
[2:44:43] none of the cities um allow signs in
public right away or Parkway um the only
[2:44:51] city that um allows science in the
parkway would be
[2:44:56] laata in St Gable Valley and and what's
their policy then so their policy is to
[2:45:03] they they're limited to two signs and
there is a size restriction for
[2:45:09] political signs so so no other city in
kind of our our cohort group or within
[2:45:16] our area has an ordinance around signs
or do they have or do they have an an
[2:45:21] ordinance that bans
signs um their
[2:45:26] ordinance prohibit signs in
Parkway okay so there there actually is
[2:45:32] you you're not allowed to put them on so
so in Arcadia you couldn't have any
[2:45:37] little league or firefighter or
political sign in the parkway that's
[2:45:43] correct similar to sadra CO as well our
current Co prohibit all the all signs in
[2:45:48] Parkway EX except for yard signs
andar got it but they
[2:45:54] do we've driven through Aradia
during so do we that's right right all
[2:46:01] right further
questions all right then I would like to
[2:46:06] to move and open this up for public
comment Madam clerk do we have any uh PE
[2:46:11] any cards for public comment we have one
uh submitted Mr Mayor from Glenn lemon
[2:46:20] honorable mayor mayor proam council and
staff um my suggestion unless we want to
[2:46:28] look like the Clutter that is in some of
the surrounding communities a little
[2:46:32] south of here prohibit all signed on
city property real simple we don't have
[2:46:37] to worry about whether it's a
Parkway uh ride of way a park um so just
[2:46:44] prohibit it somebody wants to put a sign
put it on your own property
[2:46:49] um
but I think there's a larger issue here
[2:46:53] that that I want to
address this I believe was was brought
[2:46:57] and thank you Chris for bring bringing
this to council this was brought because
[2:47:03] during the November elections I noticed
that there was signs City Park bow
[2:47:11] outs ksing court and in the
Parkways um and I was curious why the
[2:47:20] codes weren't being enforced so I
contacted the code enforcement officer
[2:47:24] he told me that he was directed by his
bosses not to enforce it I also noticed
[2:47:30] that four of our five council members
were in violation of the law willingly
[2:47:34] in violation of the law this was
concerning for me so I took the issue up
[2:47:40] again with the senior
manager and and I was told that for the
[2:47:46] the reasons Chris that you had said um
if homeowners are going to be mandated
[2:47:53] to maintain it then it's only fair that
we ignore codes that previous councils
[2:47:59] adopted through legislative action and
allow them to put the signs there this
[2:48:05] to me is
extremely um concerning because we have
[2:48:10] to
maintain the the authority that we give
[2:48:14] to elected people um what you're doing
now is the right way to do it if you
[2:48:19] don't like the law you change it but you
don't ignore it and staff should never
[2:48:23] direct Personnel to ignore it also um
imagine if you guys tonight or in future
[2:48:31] you decide to change the regulations and
future councils undermine the authority
[2:48:35] that you have it's not right and so
again my suggestion just just um
[2:48:43] prohibit all of it but even more
importantly we cannot lose sight
[2:48:47] undermine the leg legislative process
that we've adopted we can't do it we
[2:48:52] can't even start a trickle to erode it
because that's basically what our system
[2:48:56] is all about so thank you thank you Mr
lamon do we have any other public
[2:49:01] comment we do not Mr Mayor all
[2:49:07] right
[2:49:11] discussion so I I I don't think we're
going to solve this I I think no
[2:49:16] tonight's idea is is is guidance so
but you know I think this needs to come
[2:49:21] back with you know a kind of a holistic
look at the the parkway area um as what
[2:49:28] I think was originally intended by by
mayor
[2:49:31] protm uh to to include talking about
trees and and all those types of things
[2:49:36] and what the what the duty of the
homeowner or resident is and what the
[2:49:42] duty of the city is and part of that
will be I think the sign issue
[2:49:48] but doesn't mean we can't not we should
talk about discuss this but uh I think
[2:49:52] that's kind of a bigger bigger picture I
I I would tend to agree I'd like to have
[2:49:57] the holistic thing I I I want I I'm I'm
biting my tongue to go down the tree
[2:50:02] route because I've got thoughts there
but it is not part of this item but I I
[2:50:07] think that when it comes back I'd like
that to be part of of it as well and
[2:50:11] that could include we'll genderize it at
the end how about that when you guys
[2:50:16] want to talk about that if we give if we
give if we give
[2:50:19] now we guidance now I'll tell you why
later I'll agendize it at the end and
[2:50:23] I'll tell you why because otherwise I'm
bringing up a whole another agendize
[2:50:25] item right now so we're not going to De
no no no no no I'm talking about the
[2:50:30] trees
okay any discussion of trees and things
[2:50:35] like that my my premise again for this
wasn't just political signs it was for
[2:50:40] little leak signs it's for those amazing
my kid is an honor rooll student it's
[2:50:44] for thank you s fire department and
first Rescuers and PD and everything
[2:50:48] like that those signs
and I am paying to the city money in my
[2:50:56] water bill to maintain that area I'm
paying my Gardener to trim the grass and
[2:51:02] I'm not a very like Landscaping person
so I don't do this but many people do
[2:51:07] landscape that area and they maintain it
and we're charged to do that according
[2:51:11] to our code but I can't put down what I
want to as a sign at all unless it's
[2:51:17] yard sailor garage sale and I find that
erroneous I don't like the idea that
[2:51:22] you're making me required to take care
of this but I can't use it as I as I
[2:51:27] would want within reason I mean
obviously I don't want to do some crazy
[2:51:31] crazy scary decoration of something but
I think we should put in writing and
[2:51:36] make a code
that leaves it to like lonyatta where
[2:51:41] it's not overdone to signs I agree with
that type of of of signage as long as it
[2:51:47] doesn't Hinder public uh utilities
safety and there was already signage
[2:51:54] language about glowing and things like
that and there's parameters in and what
[2:51:59] it can look like can I comment on that
please I completely agree with you supp
[2:52:04] support a change that makes I and I
think uh Mr laman's point is certainly
[2:52:09] important that these have been obviously
flagrant examples of us kind of looking
[2:52:14] the other way when the code says
something well there's a reason for that
[2:52:18] it's called custom and I think the
custom in this city is going up against
[2:52:23] the rule and I think we need to change
the rule to reflect the Customs um I I I
[2:52:27] teach political science and I above
everything else believe in free speech
[2:52:32] and I believe in we we can't get enough
political speech and I feel like if you
[2:52:36] look at how Parkways are laid out and
you put a sign perpendicular to the
[2:52:40] street on a Parkway there's a far higher
probability someone will see it and
[2:52:46] that's the whole point of political
speech for somebody to see it process it
[2:52:50] uh when you put a sign up on somebody
yard sign facing the street it's much
[2:52:55] harder to see in some neighborhoods it's
almost impossible to see because of
[2:52:58] trees and overhang so it seems to me we
ought to side on the on the on the side
[2:53:03] of more political speech not less I do
believe it's an issue having done this I
[2:53:08] do believe it's an issue that when you
get close to intersections you could
[2:53:12] very well impede the vision so I would
say maybe and I'd have to leave this to
[2:53:17] the expert I'd say at least
150 ft from any intersection I don't
[2:53:21] think I'd put a sign in a Parkway but uh
cuz you you know because if you're
[2:53:27] turning left and there's a sign here you
can't see maybe not see the lane of
[2:53:30] traffic but I did ask and there is no
documented instance where a political
[2:53:35] sign impeded or caused an accident or
caused any injury so it seems to me that
[2:53:41] we're we're we'd be safe if we did
this one quick thing to add that too in
[2:53:48] equity
why would I if I have a sidewalk not be
[2:53:52] able to do this but if I don't have a
sidewalk I don't know where the property
[2:53:55] line is so I'm going to I can do this so
it it's it's not Equitable for those who
[2:54:00] have sidewalks and not because people
who don't have sidewalks you don't know
[2:54:03] where the property line
is and I don't think the code enforcer
[2:54:06] most likely will go out and look at the
whole parcel map that be a waste of time
[2:54:11] the code
enforcer let's get this straight we have
[2:54:15] all kinds of rules on the books The Code
Enforcer doesn't look at because he
[2:54:18] doesn't know they're there or doesn't
have the time to do so this just add
[2:54:22] these to the list I mean think about all
the additions that are being done and
[2:54:26] and and things that are being done in
people's homes this week that are not
[2:54:30] being run through the code enforcement
not run through our planning department
[2:54:34] so I mean it seems like we got to kind
of pick and choose where our priorities
[2:54:38] here if we're looking for code
enforcement those agendized items you
[2:54:40] know items yeah I know but I mean it
goes to this issue is this such a high
[2:54:45] priority that you know we want our
[2:54:52] so so I I I like where you're go where
you went with this council member gos is
[2:54:57] that you know it is norms and culture
and it is you know Traditions or history
[2:55:04] or practice and and I mean that's one of
the things that's great about the city
[2:55:08] is that you go anywhere and there's all
kinds of signs on it and I and I would
[2:55:12] agree with you on on the the any type of
of speech that we should be allow we
[2:55:16] should be encouraging it we should be
encouraging people to speak out and to
[2:55:19] have you know to to to have that
dialogue um so I think that that makes a
[2:55:24] lot of sense I I also think you know
that that's why I was asking the
[2:55:29] question about where the parkway starts
is that you know trying to decide where
[2:55:34] your property line is it gets gets
really difficult I me we're actually
[2:55:38] having we've had some some issues with
residents Mo most recently with with
[2:55:43] that so I I I think having some guidance
on the the placement the
[2:55:51] number U probably revisiting the the the
details on the signs you know like
[2:55:57] Council like mayor PM said is on you um
powered or flashing or colors or
[2:56:05] anything like that that that would be
distractions I think that that's
[2:56:09] important um but I I I do think you know
having signs out um is something that
[2:56:14] that's part of the city and should be
supported and encouraged within reason
[2:56:19] within within some sort of
scope can I also ask that this part of
[2:56:25] the discussion be reflected in the
minutes because I think it's really
[2:56:27] important to look at the future when we
are bringing this forward that people
[2:56:31] can read through our minutes and see
what why we've made these choices what
[2:56:37] our perspectives were what was a public
comment because help guide because in
[2:56:41] the future when I bring up like what was
when you said this came up what 2003 was
[2:56:46] the first one and now it's interesting
to see like how was that process changed
[2:56:51] why did they change it would it so would
it be in the minute or in the staff
[2:56:55] report because I think the staff report
would then have what did the actual it
[2:57:00] would reflect the dialogue that was
received so the reason I asked that is
[2:57:03] when I looked at the planning
commission's Alverno issues as well as
[2:57:07] other issues those minutes told me
exactly what the discussion was with the
[2:57:12] people sitting here so I could
understand why that code was amended why
[2:57:18] was that code set and approved because
of the discussion items like right now
[2:57:23] what was the rationale for the policy
correct correct and I think it was
[2:57:27] really important and really helped us as
Council when I read through those
[2:57:31] reports from Planning Commission so I
think it's really important that we do
[2:57:34] that otherwise people have to go to
archived videos and watch a whole video
[2:57:39] I just think it's really important and
I've seen you know other councils do
[2:57:42] that where it's when it's this kind of
thing like give a blurb of why we're
[2:57:46] what we're discussing why did we make
this policy so I I completely agree with
[2:57:50] with with the the intent that you've got
where I where I'm wondering is is that
[2:57:55] we're going to have a staff report on
that and and that's where it's going to
[2:57:58] have the decision on it so would it be
easier to find the results on it if you
[2:58:03] had the the discussion and then the
outcome in the staff report because
[2:58:07] that's I want know why I trust those
leaders when I'm not here anymore but
[2:58:11] it's in the staff report I want to see I
want to go back to those minutes and see
[2:58:14] what our previous Council were thinking
just like I want to know what the
[2:58:19] Planning Commission was thinking when
they come up with codes and policies
[2:58:22] you're just asking for exp asking
expanding minutes like when it comes to
[2:58:26] our discussion items like this is and
then they normally are I just want to
[2:58:29] make sure that it's noted what our
public comment was what we're
[2:58:34] discussing so that we can understand why
did we change
[2:58:37] this what was our rationale okay I think
it also makes it very transparent that
[2:58:43] we're not hiding anything this is our
transparency time
[2:58:50] okay and we even have technology that
does that now for us other
[2:59:00] discussion PL when do you have enough
guidance on this or city manager Roso do
[2:59:04] you have enough guidance to take this
back um I I I want to
[2:59:08] clarify I have questions okay go ahead
so so on the issue of content
[2:59:15] neutrality is the council okay with drop
ing any reference that differentiates
[2:59:20] signs based on content yes yes okay and
if I'm understanding correctly the
[2:59:26] council wants to permit signs in the
public right away but Place restriction
[2:59:32] objective non-content content neutral
restrictions on them right quick
[2:59:37] question then about that well for Public
Safety purposes primarily is there state
[2:59:42] or LA County restrictions on signage at
all even if it's on the person's
[2:59:49] property or not and the example I'm
stating is there was a resident in I
[2:59:53] believe North Hollywood that had a race
racial symbol in their window and the
[3:00:01] city was able to mandate they remove
that and I don't remember why because to
[3:00:05] me it would be free speech even if I
don't like it and I want to know if
[3:00:09] there's already language in there that
prohibits certain signage due to hateful
[3:00:13] or anything speech I I mean only only
speech that's not protected by the First
[3:00:18] Amendment would be something we could
move against and we would have to get an
[3:00:21] injunction to do that it's not something
we could do through code enforcement
[3:00:24] okay uh and but as far as like LA County
I don't know because LA County would
[3:00:30] have La County's ordinances and
regulations have no bearing on the city
[3:00:35] of C okay and um this made me think of
another one do we need to put any
[3:00:41] provisions in for uh real estate signs
or is that covered in a separate thing
[3:00:45] so is that so so business regulation is
a a entirely separate topic that would
[3:00:51] be a considered yeah that makes sense
okay vulgarities those are already those
[3:00:55] are
fine I mean permissible under the First
[3:01:02] Amendment wasn't there a code of decency
though that like I can't stand in front
[3:01:05] of my house
naked uh even though it might be my
[3:01:08] first amendment right correct that's
a there's a separate body of law on on
[3:01:14] public nudity you know if we pass an
ordinance like this and and kind of
[3:01:20] liberalize this I I don't think we're
we're going to see a
[3:01:25] whole mass amount of signs controversial
signs spring up about all kinds I I feel
[3:01:31] like that that's why we live here most
of the our our fellow are moderns are
[3:01:37] self disciplined about these kind of
public matters we don't have that
[3:01:42] problem and we can go to other cities
you can see really horrible examples of
[3:01:46] it but here we've been generally pretty
good about this I I wouldn't expect
[3:01:49] changing the actual
language uh to allow for things in the
[3:01:54] parkway is going to cause you know Fu
signs in the Parkways if you're a
[3:01:58] moderator something like that yeah I
it's you your your options are really to
[3:02:03] allow it or disallow it because when you
try to regulate along the margins you
[3:02:07] run into very challenging um lawsuits to
defend so I mean what we're trying to do
[3:02:13] is is codified what the actual practice
is
[3:02:18] C Roso you wanted some clarifications
did you get what you needed I I I took
[3:02:22] some notes um and so um today was to
provide staff with with Direction uh so
[3:02:28] we can come back um but what I'm what I
have is uh who maintains the Parkways
[3:02:33] and why the homeowner's right to use the
parkway um and I think City attorney
[3:02:40] just clarified it doesn't matter what
type of sign it is um so it so little
[3:02:45] league political signs um um we're just
going to look at signs in general um
[3:02:52] we're going to look at if there's any
state or County restrictions and if they
[3:02:56] apply to the city um we did the initial
conversation was around uh elections so
[3:03:03] I'm going to include time restrictions
or or election periods um or if we want
[3:03:08] to just open it up all year uh because
little league and and First Responders
[3:03:13] thank you those happen could happen at
any time is that okay yes you mean you
[3:03:17] mean keeping the code that we already
have that political signage can only be
[3:03:22] up 10 days after no it can't it can't be
based on the content of the signs so
[3:03:26] it's going to be it's it might be
something like Signs can only be there
[3:03:30] for 30 days all signs after 30 days
you'd have to move a sign that that
[3:03:35] would be like a durational limit a a a
Content neutral durational limit on
[3:03:39] signage like the parking 3 parking so so
then how do you um when when you run for
[3:03:45] office you have to have a bond or a sign
Bond or something I can't sign there was
[3:03:51] another it's a bond it's a signed Bond
um
[3:03:56] so how does that re reflect this this
dialogue is it can
[3:04:02] you may mayor is correct um when a
candidate's running for office for an
[3:04:07] elected office the candidates do um pay
a $100 refundable Bond and then if the
[3:04:15] uh signs are removed according to the
municipal code if the removed within 10
[3:04:18] days uh after the election then the bond
is refundable and and the bond is to pay
[3:04:25] the cost of us having to the city having
to remove it correct if they are not
[3:04:29] removed within 10 days and City staff
needs to remove them then that um bond
[3:04:34] is used for City staff to remove the
bond the signs and and so if if some
[3:04:40] kind of durational limit was placed on
signs through this ordinance we'd
[3:04:44] probably have to revisit that bonding
requirement
[3:04:48] so yeah I mean I'm contemplating if you
have a presidential sign if you have a
[3:04:52] state senate sign I mean there's no they
don't have to pay a bond and their signs
[3:04:56] were all over the place as well right um
do they get stuck with a a bill to clean
[3:05:01] up the
city no no no
[3:05:07] that if you have a presidential sign on
your private property you can have it
[3:05:13] only a private property we're talking
about the parkway but not according to
[3:05:16] the bond because prior those signs could
be on any public area so it's inferred
[3:05:21] that it's on your private residence so
technically if you had a political
[3:05:25] president sign up you were supposed to
remove it you were supposed to get a
[3:05:29] bond and then remove it within 10 days
private property is is that what the
[3:05:35] ordinance so so the the bond is it is it
based on an ordinance I I think again we
[3:05:41] might be getting off topic because we're
we were trying to focus on sign
[3:05:45] placement in the Parkways yeah and I
think plac in the in private property
[3:05:51] might be out of the scope did I did I
miss anything in
[3:05:55] my the only the issue I might have is is
if signs place too close to
[3:06:01] intersections in Parkways I think
maintain safety yeah from a safe traffic
[3:06:07] point of view that that we there is the
new law on um parking related to to
[3:06:15] implied cross rocks I can't remember the
exact
[3:06:18] yeah but but but but but there there's
guidance that's that's exactly where I
[3:06:23] was thinking it's a guideline for
pedestrians it it may be at least
[3:06:28] something to consider I I don't want to
bind staff on it but there someone had
[3:06:33] done some thinking on that and and it'
be worth looking at that as as guidance
[3:06:37] sign safety distance from
intersections is that and size size
[3:06:44] right that's non size is in there I
think to think the the standard
[3:06:49] yeah yeah I think that I think our
current size size is in there but size
[3:06:53] is in size is in there but we can
revisit it right yeah it wouldn't mess
[3:06:58] with color or anything like that I think
it says something that deters driving
[3:07:04] like I think it says light light up so
it can't be like right right NE on it
[3:07:08] can't light up
flash reflective right yes okay thank
[3:07:14] you thank you everybody thank you staff
all right right um then I think we're on
[3:07:19] to the next item which is resolution
2506 legislative
[3:07:29] advocacy is that
right uh yes mayor I'll be presenting
[3:07:33] this one uh the city council last
considered this item at their January
[3:07:38] 28th regular meeting uh at that meeting
the city council provided some direction
[3:07:43] uh here is the direction I had recorded
to prioritize requests from neighboring
[3:07:48] or Regional public agencies to expand
the scope of the resolution to include
[3:07:52] funding applications and other
opportunities to increase
[3:07:55] resources and for the city manager to
consult with the mayor prior to taking
[3:08:00] any policy
position so this the version of the
[3:08:04] resolution in your packet today looks a
little different than the prior version
[3:08:08] because it doesn't seek to define the
policy priorities that's been taken
[3:08:14] out uh instead what it's doing is it's
creating um three elements that need to
[3:08:21] be satisfied in order for the city
manager to take a policy position those
[3:08:24] three elements are the following the
position um the position is at the
[3:08:31] request of a neighboring public agency
or a member organization of which the
[3:08:35] city is a
member the position supports an increase
[3:08:39] in or opposes a decrease in resources to
the city a neighboring public agency or
[3:08:45] a member organization of which the city
is a member
[3:08:48] and the mayor approves the policy
position so you can see this one is more
[3:08:52] focused on resources and um is stays
away from uh really policy
[3:08:59] considerations it's more focused on I
guess policies that Advance resources
[3:09:05] Less on policies that determine
legislative decisions not related to
[3:09:11] resources and remind me the the reason
for that is if if we were going to talk
[3:09:15] about a legislative policy
uh it's not as timely was that that was
[3:09:21] our rationale right and because we some
things are timely for our neighbors to
[3:09:26] get support for maybe a grant uh that's
that was our concern right so there
[3:09:31] there were the the rational behind this
uh uh policy resolution was that we kept
[3:09:39] receiving we I mean City management kept
receiving requests to take positions on
[3:09:45] legislation on regulation
on
[3:09:48] applications for resources and other
items and the city and the city
[3:09:53] management was unable to respond to
those requests in time because we
[3:09:59] couldn't agendize it uh or or by agend
by agiz that for the next regular city
[3:10:05] council meeting we lost the opportunity
to weigh
[3:10:08] in and so initially the idea was that
the city manager was going to uh be
[3:10:16] authorized to pursue
policy positions on a whole host of
[3:10:20] things including resources and
non-resource related issues and this one
[3:10:24] is going to be related specifically to
resources for the city um or neighboring
[3:10:30] public agency or member
organization so it's a lot narrower in
[3:10:35] in
[3:10:38] scope and that's your presentation right
yes
[3:10:42] okay questions
[3:10:47] I went first last time have comments but
no questions I guess I have comments
[3:10:52] more than questions hearing no
questions Madam clerk do you have any
[3:10:59] comment cards or question cards for this
item yes sir Mr Mayor there is one from
[3:11:04] Glenn lamon great welcome back Mr
lamon me beat this dead horse
[3:11:13] um one one of the benefits of of our
representative government is that we the
[3:11:21] people we get to pick from us five
council members to go into the
[3:11:27] bureaucracy that is
government and create legislation you
[3:11:32] create policy and you represented us
through the legislative Authority that
[3:11:37] we give you through fair and open
elections this proposal in a way kind of
[3:11:43] violates that in that it would eliminate
the public to be involved in these
[3:11:49] policy
decisions um and it would only require
[3:11:55] just the mayor not two other council
members to be in agreement now let me
[3:12:00] let me say I I believe every of our five
council members are extremely
[3:12:06] trustworthy and capable and qualified to
make the decisions but that's not a
[3:12:11] reason to sidestep the legislative
process that we put you we trust you to
[3:12:18] go into government and make these
decisions on our
[3:12:23] behalf
it's again this is just one more little
[3:12:27] thing that erods the very Foundation of
this represented government um so I
[3:12:35] would say no if if this is just a matter
of convenience and we might not make a
[3:12:40] Time issue then you know what call a
special meeting we can do that but it
[3:12:45] takes three elected council members to
make something happen in this city and
[3:12:49] and I'd hate to see us start stepping
away from that again okay thank you got
[3:12:55] question Mr L thank thank you for that
um did you did you watch the meeting
[3:12:59] when we discussed this when first I did
not okay no no um so if you do watch
[3:13:03] that you you will see that your concerns
were were raised by the council and
[3:13:07] that's why it's coming back to us and
and I did speak with one council member
[3:13:10] on this and and I was made aware of that
I you know it's just important the
[3:13:15] process is so important and we we can't
ever sidestep it in in in all
[3:13:20] applications of government and policy
creation and and adhering to policy
[3:13:26] thank you thank
you do we have any other other comment
[3:13:31] no sir all right we'll bring it back for
discussion thoughts yeah so the the
[3:13:37] title of the resolution didn't really
change so I don't think it meets the
[3:13:41] spirit of what we were kind of
contemplating originally um and it kind
[3:13:47] of goes back to Mr Len's comments um we
as a current Council um we're we
[3:13:55] typically and it's just because of our
current Council and probably the two
[3:13:58] before we avoid any large political
issues that aren't to a direct benefit
[3:14:05] of our residents and our city um that's
just kind of been
[3:14:10] a just a quiet policy that we've we've
kind of fell into because all all we're
[3:14:16] focused on is this city and the benefit
of this city um so I don't know that
[3:14:24] that the title is really referencing and
that was our consensus when we talked
[3:14:27] about this um the first time so I don't
think I don't know that we need to
[3:14:31] change the title but the title is a
little misleading um are from what I
[3:14:36] recall and I asked the question
um the reason we wanted to do this was
[3:14:43] because we have Regional partners that
are sometimes asking for funding and
[3:14:48] would like to have a letter to go along
with it for their benefit um and we
[3:14:54] can't call a special meeting to do that
generally um and if there's a issue
[3:14:59] that that is of regional state or
federal legislation regulation that is
[3:15:06] important to us we we you generally have
time for that to come to the council for
[3:15:10] us to discuss go through the legislative
process have policy and approve it so um
[3:15:15] I'm thinking because of section 2 a 1 2
and 3 it still is in the spirit of our
[3:15:21] discussion but um again I think the
title might be a little
[3:15:26] mislead you know based on what you just
said there there was something that I
[3:15:30] pulled out of there that that it may be
worth making a change and and it's the
[3:15:34] time sensitive nature of it right when
you said with with many of the federal
[3:15:39] state and and sometimes even local one
items
[3:15:44] um if it's on its its regular path we
we've got time but but I think you know
[3:15:49] the Crux of this the core of this is the
time sensitivity right I mean the
[3:15:54] perfect example was our neighbors in
Arcadia was looking at an alternative
[3:15:57] transportation plan grant funding that
would directly benefit us not only from
[3:16:03] from our relationship with them but
there could have been you know we we we
[3:16:08] could be supporting bike Lanes on you
know on um Orange Grove that would B
[3:16:16] directly benefit our our residents and
we missed it because we had to move a
[3:16:19] meeting so to me like that the part of
the core of this is that time sensitive
[3:16:23] nature of it that that maybe that's
that's something that should be added
[3:16:26] here I'd love to others thoughts on it
agreed and the reason we decided to have
[3:16:32] the mayor of Des because we didn't want
to wholly because it's not always going
[3:16:35] to be Jose we wish it would be right um
but we didn't want to wholly leave that
[3:16:40] that decision up to the city manager uh
we wanted to have at least one member of
[3:16:44] this Council um weigh in and whether or
not they believe the council would kind
[3:16:49] of agree with it right and I think that
was a spirit of I know it's a little off
[3:16:52] topic from your comment but I think that
was a spirit of why we wanted the mayor
[3:16:57] we want at least one person design
designate if we have three people that's
[3:17:00] a brown act issue right we need to call
a meeting so that's that's why we decide
[3:17:04] on the mayor can I comment on this too
because that was my original worry is
[3:17:10] that we're not always going to be here
Jose is not always going to be here and
[3:17:13] we've seen in the past we've had issues
with City managers and city council
[3:17:18] members that have gone to Cahoots and
things weren't done on the up and up and
[3:17:23] it held us liable as well as it was just
not moral and ethical and so the problem
[3:17:31] I do have is that what if it's not us
what if it's not you and you and we've
[3:17:36] implemented
this well so is there is there a report
[3:17:40] back on this does it come back it it if
if there was something on it did the the
[3:17:47] resolution I don't believe and correct
me you guys all read these real closely
[3:17:53] I don't know that there it has to be
reported back at the next
[3:17:57] meeting it it there is it says all
policy positions adopted by the city
[3:18:01] manager design shall be communicated to
the council at the next regularly
[3:18:05] scheduled there we go city council
earlier in writing
[3:18:09] great I mean that to me so what if we
added two members which which like we do
[3:18:15] for an at hoc committee
what if what if it's two members of
[3:18:19] council instead of just the mayor and
someone else or what if it's the mayor
[3:18:23] and another council member so so My
worry is there's times when a mayor and
[3:18:27] and a city council member are in cahoots
and something bad happens so so then how
[3:18:32] do you choose the second one because
because if
[3:18:35] it'sot if it's In Cahoots on it you
could still have the Cahoots I I would I
[3:18:40] would rather go mayor mayor Pro 10
because you've got that um that that
[3:18:45] relationship or already built into the
way we do things could it just be like
[3:18:49] like we normally do designate the mayor
and another council member or two
[3:18:52] council members which would normally
default to the mayor but let's say
[3:18:56] you're not available either council
member low if if you did it that way
[3:19:00] without any kind of undefined term it
would become a standing committee and
[3:19:04] that would also be subject to the brown
act got it right right so it would have
[3:19:07] to be designated mayor mayor proam or
something or does that matter either way
[3:19:12] it becomes a committee yeah if you're if
if we're having the mayor and and the
[3:19:16] mayor protem working together to review
all
[3:19:21] resolutions it we're not calling the
committee
[3:19:25] but smells like a committee I just don't
like it that I trust us 100% but it
[3:19:31] really worries me because I've been here
for 50 years
[3:19:35] now even though not I'm all aware since
all the whole time but I've seen things
[3:19:39] that you're like
huh are you talking about entire
[3:19:43] councils In Cahoots or just and we are
this could be so this ordinance can be
[3:19:50] repealed or rescinded by the council
that sees somebody sees a a city manager
[3:19:57] and a mayor that are not on the up and
up but you'd have to actually see a
[3:20:01] violation at that point it doesn't
because it' be reported in the very next
[3:20:07] meeting I see say I'm just hyper
sensitive to to transparency because
[3:20:12] I've seen it happen here what if then
they present the report that's worded
[3:20:17] like they want it to be
said in other words we don't we don't
[3:20:22] know exactly what happens except that we
trust our reports are are valid and that
[3:20:27] they're trustworthy and that this is the
honest
[3:20:30] truth so if we violate that if they
violate someone else violates that
[3:20:36] they're going to report what they want
about anything here's what I'm
[3:20:39] struggling with government today is so
all all these agencies public
[3:20:45] authorities are are also intertwined
with one another this the league of
[3:20:50] cities for is very instructive League of
cities actually has
[3:20:54] influence uh and it's dependent upon the
city members of the league of cities
[3:20:59] actually working together to speak as
one voice in Sacramento and that has
[3:21:05] benefits for the members who participate
and there are other organizations like
[3:21:09] Cog where where same things going on and
maybe we get a call from Cog and we got
[3:21:14] and we don't have time to have a meeting
but we need to so there's a practical
[3:21:18] side to this that maybe I don't know if
it's existed back in the golden years
[3:21:21] but I suspect it didn't I I suspect the
intergovernmental relationships are are
[3:21:27] more important than than ever before
that's why I was open to discussing this
[3:21:32] because I have the same concerns about
transparency that you do Chris as a
[3:21:37] student of government I I I certainly
don't need to be reminded of how how
[3:21:42] easy it is for corruption to uh weasel
its way into a system so I'm really torn
[3:21:47] on this I mean I I I'm I'm really torn
right down the middle on this and I'm
[3:21:52] with you both with with the transparency
and all those issues but the catalyst is
[3:21:57] a request from a neighboring agency and
so I I'm trying to where's the
[3:22:02] corruption there generally um because
it's that's the Catalyst only right or a
[3:22:07] member of an organization which the city
is a member I guess I guess I me League
[3:22:11] of
cities you know city of Arcadia city of
[3:22:14] Monro a South pass
so anything else would have to be an
[3:22:18] emergency
meeting if anything else that we
[3:22:22] anything outside the perimeters of a
position that request of a neighboring
[3:22:26] public agency or a member organization
of which city is a member so if that was
[3:22:30] like a special meeting not an emergency
meeting sorry thank you sorry special
[3:22:34] meeting
thanks because I know we've had we have
[3:22:39] had opportunities that we missed because
of this you know if you s if you if we
[3:22:44] if if our city manager and or may may or
think that it's a good idea that it
[3:22:49] might have a benefit if a law passes or
something policy changes higher than us
[3:22:55] and it does and we've we've played a
role in that then it's not just that the
[3:22:59] law passes we've also helped the people
that were working with so you know that
[3:23:04] they're they're going to be more
inclined to help us in the future as
[3:23:07] well and we're and we're talking about
support or nonsupport issues right is
[3:23:11] that right Jean is that how you're
reading it yeah yeah not changing
[3:23:15] policies for our city no no no no we're
talking about resources that we might be
[3:23:19] able to use like for bears for instance
that might be beneficial to other
[3:23:23] agencies as well or maybe they we all
vote for bears and maybe they they
[3:23:28] they're happy to or we help them on
something in the future that we know
[3:23:32] would be beneficial to them or at least
advocate for them in terms of
[3:23:38] resources
[3:23:42] yeah I do like the addition of support
rep an increase in or opposes a decrease
[3:23:48] in
resources yeah a12 and three I think
[3:23:53] limit this severely um to avoid yeah I
we had because we had the discussion
[3:23:58] these were added because of the
discussion avoid those corruption type
[3:24:03] issues right and I really appreciate
your title change because I think that's
[3:24:07] what I think I was still triggering on
was
[3:24:11] like we can change it yeah absolutely
and I don't know what we change it to
[3:24:15] but
[3:24:18] it is trigger I was like whoa so so when
this when uh this gets past it's a
[3:24:25] resolution then then how does it how
does it enter into like the
[3:24:32] overall administrative record so like
like how does how do does do future
[3:24:37] Council know what this is like in an
ordinance you go you go to the ordinance
[3:24:41] and you can look up the ordinance right
how do you know that this other than um
[3:24:46] um the the the the uh knowledge of Staff
or council members at some point in the
[3:24:54] future how do people know that this
resolution is still around I'll defer to
[3:24:57] the city
clerk Mr Mayor resolutions are uh
[3:25:01] typically policy driven and so the uh
city council and they and they become
[3:25:07] effective immediately upon the council's
approval uh but they can also be amended
[3:25:13] or they can be um cancelled
with Council approval as well uh they
[3:25:20] they are
not usually part of the um Municipal
[3:25:25] Code unless they're used to amend an
existing Municipal Code but um they are
[3:25:31] there is a log of them kept and then and
the resolutions are also kept in the
[3:25:35] book the council and City staff through
institutional knowledge would have to
[3:25:39] know that the policies exist and
incorporate them through regular use so
[3:25:44] so if it's not used they there may right
now be a resolution out there that gives
[3:25:50] us guidance or gives us a policy
Direction on something that we're not
[3:25:54] following because we don't know about
because it just it just in in natural
[3:25:58] turnover of of of staff and counsel and
everyone it it may just be collecting
[3:26:06] dust it's possible yeah okay city clerk
agular I I know you I know you as city
[3:26:12] clerk are The Keeper of the book of
resolutions yes is there also some kind
[3:26:17] of index of
resolutions that can be referenced we do
[3:26:21] have a log of the resolutions that are
kept but it's it's a log that goes that
[3:26:26] spans over a number of years and so
uh the the council if if it's inquiring
[3:26:33] about or or interested in creating a
policy or amending a policy we could
[3:26:38] look into the index to see if it already
exists or if it's something that could
[3:26:42] just be amended um but to your point
there could be potentially some
[3:26:48] resolutions that are that are not being
utilized got it I want to Circle back
[3:26:54] I've taken us on a little bit of a
detour but to to Mayor pm and council
[3:26:59] member Garcia are there edits you'd like
to make to the the title of the
[3:27:04] resolution that would make it less I
think triggering was the word I
[3:27:19] well first I guess it's establishing a
legislative advocacy policy and
[3:27:24] authorizing the city manager manager to
take policy
[3:27:29] positions on local regional state
federal legislation so it's the whole
[3:27:33] legislation regulation initiatives or
opportunities but it doesn't say
[3:27:36] anything about what the three bless you
um take a position on request of
[3:27:43] neighboring has to be and it goes to
like see right if the city manager takes
[3:27:48] a PO poos and it's about correspondence
stating we support supportive amended
[3:27:54] oppose or oppose unless amended I mean
that's really what we're allowing um
[3:27:59] correspondence or a letter of support or
non-support and not changing our
[3:28:04] policies not changing our legislation or
or state legislation or so the spirit of
[3:28:08] that I think should be so I'm wondering
if if we we change it to say um
[3:28:17] something about responding to requests
if we could work responding to requests
[3:28:22] or timely I like that timely responding
to requests in there because because
[3:28:27] we're not really it's it we are we are
having legislative ad advocacy but it
[3:28:34] what we're missing is is that it it's at
the request of another body and and I
[3:28:38] think I I think maybe we need to
add a sentence saying if if this request
[3:28:46] is needed before the next city council
meeting or one of one of those issues
[3:28:51] right so that has to be I think another
yeah Catalyst for this to actually be
[3:28:57] used so so are are you saying that under
a you would have um it would be four
[3:29:02] criteria instead of
three yes
[3:29:08] okay
um because otherwise it could be used
[3:29:14] for L lot EAS yeah to be used right so
so um C attorney do you have enough
[3:29:23] guidance here to come back with another
draft on this I mean I I don't think it
[3:29:27] okay good because I don't think it makes
sense for us to to um SM words SM that
[3:29:33] here at the
um so when it comes back do we need to
[3:29:40] have it as discussion or so we can so it
can come back as as a consent item
[3:29:46] uh mayor Can it can come back as a
consent item and the direction I have is
[3:29:50] to change the title to correspond with
uh
[3:29:55] the uh the intent of the council and
also to add a fourth element to
[3:30:01] paragraph a to be uh that if the request
comes before the next regularly
[3:30:09] scheduled city council
meeting but it's I even I don't know
[3:30:15] because it we're even talking about um
sometimes we can't call a um a special
[3:30:21] meeting right and do we even want to
call a special meeting for something as
[3:30:26] is right so I don't even know if if we
include the special meeting portion or
[3:30:31] just say if it comes be if the decision
needs to be or the letter needs to be
[3:30:34] sent prior to the next regularly
scheduled council
[3:30:40] meeting and I would just point out that
almost it's almost always the case that
[3:30:45] the city council can call a special
meeting and address one of these
[3:30:49] concerns um but the issue is the time
gap between your regular meetings is
[3:30:55] that a is that a 36- hour noticing uh
the regular meetings is is 72h hour
[3:31:00] special meeting is 24 hours 24 hours
okay
[3:31:06] so if we were to to to if we were to
give you guidance and it comes back on
[3:31:11] consent do we need to to vote on it
tonight to give that we agree with
[3:31:14] Direction Okay so it's okay to come back
on consent and and the council's
[3:31:19] comfortable with the the edits that are
there I mean we'll have a chance to vote
[3:31:23] on it then and but it will be on consent
discuss it twice and it gives the public
[3:31:26] another chance to give public comment on
it I I like that idea will be able to
[3:31:31] because she had some poignant points
last time too all
[3:31:36] right thank you all right so then that
takes us to uh future agenda items so um
[3:31:43] do we have any future agenda
[3:31:48] so in discussion
with code
[3:31:52] 1220 070 duty of abuting land owners to
cultivate trees on public property the
[3:31:58] reason I'm asking about investigating
this is this came up also when we talked
[3:32:02] with the fire safe Council about who's
responsible for trimming the trees and
[3:32:06] the brush that's in the way um and what
if you don't have a sidewalk and what if
[3:32:12] the tree is on city property and we know
if it's easy on sa property it's their
[3:32:18] responsibility if it's it's part of the
fire codes or making us safer um and if
[3:32:23] it's on private property it's there so
what do we do about these areas that are
[3:32:28] we're not
sure like do do literally they all going
[3:32:32] to have to call the city and everyone
and you're going to have to go out there
[3:32:36] and check the exact area check the
parcel maps and decide on that and does
[3:32:43] and does our fire department have that
parcel map so when they go to request
[3:32:48] people do brush AB bment they're
advising someone to trim their trees and
[3:32:53] it could be our
property all right I don't have anything
[3:32:58] I don't have anything C man is that
enough to okay
[3:33:10] great so while he's waiting to clarify
so I hear there's nothing from from
[3:33:14] either of you gentlemen okay great
we're going to look at triming of trees
[3:33:20] and
Parkways areas that
[3:33:25] are so staff will will come back with
treatment of trees in Parkways and areas
[3:33:32] uh that are we have blurred blurred
lines and who the responsibility is to
[3:33:36] trim the trees especially as the
conversation came up tonight could we
[3:33:40] there's not an obvious obvious sidewalk
and Parkway and then if in the Cod if it
[3:33:46] says that the resident is responsible
for the public property
[3:33:51] line does that mean that if if that tree
is in front of my house and it's
[3:33:55] actually you know a tree that could
endanger my home like the branches are
[3:34:00] laying on my house does that mean that
I'm responsible now for also the fire
[3:34:04] safety and trimming that tree even
though it's on public
[3:34:08] land I I'd like to to expand just
slightly instead of trimming I'd like to
[3:34:12] say management okay thank you much
better
[3:34:16] [Laughter]
because you know I've got palm trees in
[3:34:19] front of mine and you know if I could be
out there with a chainsaw the next day
[3:34:23] if if that was if I were allowed to do
that not that I would but I could and so
[3:34:29] you know I think that's to be part of
the
[3:34:34] conversation thank you great then um at
this point look for a motion to adjourn
[3:34:39] move to adjourn second second all in
favor I I all right we are adjourned
[3:34:43] till February 25th can someone help me
with Genesis real
[3:35:14] quick
[3:35:44] e
[3:36:14] e for