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Streaming up.
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» How is seven?
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yes, they're upstairs there.
>> Okay, [clears throat] that's okay. All

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right, I will call the Wetlands and
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order.
Um, first agenda item is seating of

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alternates. Um, Allison, will you sit
for our open seat?

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And Sue, will you sit for Marjorie or
Joe Thickman?

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» Sure.
>> Thank you.

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Um, approval of minutes from August 4th,
2026. Did anyone have any adjustments,

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notes, comments, questions?

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I will entertain a motion to approve
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» So moved, I approve.
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» All in favor?
>> Aye.

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» Aye.
>> Um, IWW applications for public hearing

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or vote, we have none.
Conservation Commission business, um, we

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have the referral from Zoning
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» [snorts]
>> uh, applications ZC 2618 and ZC 2619.

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this was the car wash, um, that was
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» Yep.
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we discussed with the applicant present
uh, the information.

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Um, this was originates with Zoning and
Zoning Commission.

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They part as part of the approval
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refer it to a number of land use
agencies, Conservation Commission being

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one of them. So, at the last meeting, we
we heard the application. Um, you asked

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at the end of the meeting for me to kind
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draft letter, uh, referral letter, which
you you have before you. Um, so,

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at this meeting, I would ask that you,
you know, look through it, let me know

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if you want me to make any changes
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you want to pass on to the zoning
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» [snorts]
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» You're welcome.
>> I think it summarized our discussion

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very well.
>> I did let Marjorie review it. Didn't

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have any comments except the native
plant comment, um, which I did I wanted

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to mention the applicant to change the
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to native.
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receive a lot of correspondence from the
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4th meeting and that is also up on your
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» So, can I just have a a question about
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Well,
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public. It's not an open meeting.
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» So, how are those coming to us as a part
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anything in that
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correspondence.
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» Just for your information. It's It's
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usually call them public comment.
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» And that's the official part of the
record. This is kind of just for your

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for your information on what we
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» which which is fine. So, you know, but
that's as a procedure we we should be

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you know, if people are sending things
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opposed to something in the public. So,
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» Okay, thank you.
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» Did everybody get a chance to read the
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» What are your guys' thoughts?
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concerns, but I would I would like to
to start ask about sort of the final

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recommendation.
You have three choices, positive,

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negative, and neutral.
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» And I'm wondering if there are, um,
strict definitions what falls into those

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three categories or is it a sense of,
you know, the commission or how do we

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address that category?
>> You know, you can even say we submit

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these recommendations for review. It
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even pigeonholed into these three
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Okay. So so so there so there isn't a
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» There's not a procedure. It's really
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what's outlined in the zoning
regulations for review. It doesn't say

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commission commission needs to provide
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» Right. But but and and [clears throat]
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you know, the way the way the draft
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is that the
construction committee would like to

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submit a choose one of the three.
>> Right.

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» Or we could or it could be something
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but there's no particular
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positive or a negative.
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» All right.
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but I do not want to dominate this
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» I think we can start.
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If you want to start, go ahead.
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I don't like it when we don't have a
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concerns have been. You know, as a way
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state back what that we heard X.
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and and I and I was looking at the more
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and and these are kind of echoed in um
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like three or four areas that the
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they were also touched in the
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don't think we actually got some we
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One was there was a some concerns about
the water coming from that local

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aquifer.
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from Aquarium, and so I thought that
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would have been a more
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sort of agglomeration of all the water
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going to drain that particular surface
aquifer. Has that Has that been

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addressed?
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um the fourth
the fourth uh subject line, the water

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usage information,
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does not have a final letter from
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will serve letter. So, the
recommendation would be for Zoning

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Commission to make sure you receive that
[clears throat] information prior to

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approval.
>> Right. But so So, I I I remember I

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remember seeing that, but the
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which is, at least in my mind, they we
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that Aquarian was going had had the had
the main pipes there. They're going to

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ratchet it down. The question was how
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that's coming from Aquarian
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the public had was was that particularly
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is it just drawing down the supplies for
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» So, do you So, maybe we can add to this
section information of well should also

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should also require information

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regarding which which aquifer or
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the second concerns that was voiced in
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areas close by
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and some of them are really not that
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know the reason this is a protected area
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surface.
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is, you know, you know, what's
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your and your well's only X amount deep,
what is that? What's the risk of that?

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And then what's the burden of that? Now,
I'm not sure that that falls within our

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sphere
of influence and regulatory, but that

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seems to be something that ought to be
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on.
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issue up to and make sure the zoning
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» Okay, yeah.
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the
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there were there were three. I was just
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Well, let the other people talk. I'm
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themes that keep coming keep kept coming
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some point.
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I I Oh, and I And I also did not see in
in our in our documents

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the actual like MSDS sheets someplace. I
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Um but I didn't see all of them, and of
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I was just wondering where do we have
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» I believe they're in the application
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I Are there SDS sheets?
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» Yes, that's I thought I saw that, but
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» Okay, okay. So the expert over here on
>> Yes, yes, please, yeah.

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If you want to add anything to that,
Allison.

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» I I didn't see them when I was looking.
>> Oh, okay.

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» I read many many many things and then I
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» [snorts]
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So those
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ensure that
that S Am I saying it right? SDS

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» Okay.
>> SDS I'm not I'm not safety data sheet.

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» Yeah.
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are included.
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was that was also sort of brought up.
And we've [clears throat] had this And

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this issue has come up in other
applications as well. Like if an

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applicant comes in and is doing, you
know, a fantastic job and has made

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commitments to do X, Y, and Z.
How do those transfer if like the

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business gets sold?
And that was a problem we had in another

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application. So, if if people are, you
know, making these kinds of commitments,

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they're essentially mitigations or
whatever they are, how does that go from

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owner to owner? And I don't think we
have a a particular process for that,

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but that does bring some of these sort
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um
you know, that's one of the concerns I

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think people have raised, and we haven't
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» So, um
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the zoning commission condition their
approval to ensure that the mitigation

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measures
list out them, you know, what the

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applicant did. So,
the it moves with the partial. So, if

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there's a new owner, then they will be
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» I I think that's part of it, and I think
I think, you know, again, it's a matter

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of reflecting this back that, you know,
we heard these concerns coming in, and

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this is sort of what we're trying to do.
Those weren't um

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enacted here, and and so, when I look at
the letter, I'll I'll tell you what I

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I did I didn't write one up, but where I
was headed with it was that there was a

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lot of great comments about
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sort of what the applicant has done sort
of, you know, to to mitigate this site

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that they've done it that they you can
point to a lot of things they've done

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» [clears throat]
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the regulatory environment that that
they're under. Whatever they could do,

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they sort of done.
The issue boils down to

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um and the public has pointed this out,
it's been pointed out in other places,

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that it's it's a high-risk activity in
these kinds of areas, but it's not a

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regulated one.
So, if this came forward to us under the

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wetlands commission, we wouldn't
necessarily have a way to deny that on

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under the regulation, but it doesn't
mean that it's

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not a low risk. You can have the
applicant doing everything legally they

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need to do and and and beyond to some
degree, but it can still be recorded as

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a high risk activity. And
[clears throat] I didn't see that as

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being balanced in the letter, and I
still feel like both of those things are

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true at the same time.
You know, you can point to both of them.

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» Right.
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do you want to mention high risk in what
specific

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» it So I So I So I think So I think the
the the issue is is that it's you know,

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» [clears throat]
>> it's not been studied. You know, it's

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one of the things that it's not
regulated cuz it's not been studied.

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There's a lot of concerns about where
the water is going inside

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» it's and like the residual water is just
>> So So yeah, it sounds like you maybe

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this goes like in an introduction
introductory

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» Right.
>> paragraph.

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» Right. That That I think And And then I
think that that's the that's why when

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you get to the end of why we're making
this kind of of of of conclusion, it'd

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be like we've heard these things and
these are the problem things that that

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zoning should be thinking about
addressing. Maybe have some

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recommendations. I think the summaries
of these two things are are right on,

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but I think that they are the the four
points you have here. But the

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the sort of the discussion between you
know, you know, how the applicant could

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have done, you know, things that are
sort of I won't say standard cuz they've

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they've exceeded in some areas like
planting and other things. But there's

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just other things that they that there's
not best practices on, but everyone's

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concerned um about about these things.
It's not regulated.

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» Yeah.
>> [clears throat]

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» Okay.
>> Does that make sense?

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» Yep. It does. It does.

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» So that was part of the Haldeman spiel,
but I'm wondering what everybody else is

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» Um
I'm kind of hunting for if they're going

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to have secondary containment in the
equipment room. That's where I am right

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now.
>> Okay.

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I'm sure there would be.
I don't know if that's OSHA like OSHA

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that would or if it's like a building
code that needs to be followed.

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But management of the
chemicals that they keep on site in an

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appropriate [clears throat] way.
>> Mhm.

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» And making sure that that's a
transferable requirement.

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» What did you You called it secondary?
>> Secondary containment.

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» Okay.

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» [snorts]
>> So like the the chemicals are in a

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bin or a right?
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» a drum.
>> Yeah, the

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» The drum also inside of something. So if
that spills or cracks or breaks or

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leaks, it doesn't go direct to
the environment.

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» Okay.

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Do Do we have an idea on based on
just [snorts] the the the water maps of

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that area,
>> [clears throat]

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» where actually the aquifer science like
how close is it to the surface? Like is

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there geological line that people have
agreed on that

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» Yeah, I I'm not I don't know the the I
don't know that answer.

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» So I I I would think that that would
need to be something that we

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should be able to address and say, you
know, we looked at this and this is to

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to get an evaluation for what the time
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water regeneration of the aquifer. Cuz
that's the concern, right?

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» Right.
>> That there's some amount of as if the

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aquifer was 2,000 ft down, it might be a
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down.
>> Right. Right. And I hopefully I mean,

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it'd be helpful if Aquarian kind of
addressed that in their letter.

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» It It It should, but somebody
[clears throat] ought to be able to do

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it.
>> Yeah.

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» And I'm sure zoning said that we ought
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probably what they're looking for.
>> [snorts]

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» Yeah, the aquifer protection.
>> Is that Right. But But But But what what

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does it mean? Yeah, what what does it
what does it mean from a length scale,

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you know?
Time scale.

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So, one of us is like, "Okay, that's
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» Zoning is the aquifer protection agency,
as well.

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» What Excuse me?
>> Zoning commission [clears throat] is the

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aquifer protection agency.
So, they can

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» Okay.
>> Ask the aquafarian for that. But, again,

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I mean, it's in the
Once if something's within an aquafer

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protection boundary
>> Yeah.

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» that that is sent to us, it triggers all
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» Right. And and
And and and but I also think that this

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is just something
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like right on the edge being the aquafer
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and I imagine something that's like
right up at the top, you know, you dig

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down 10 ft and you're there.
>> Okay.

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» Um
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since they're asking us to figure out
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then obviously something that goes back
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And And it's not just over the one site,
but it's over where that drainage pond

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is and the and the and the rest of the
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storm water sewers, etc.
That's expected areas.

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» Have you Have you Have you been able to
make magic out of this?

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» No, because it's only showing me things
from a month ago.

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» Okay.
>> I was like, I don't know why I can't

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find anything here.

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Everything says from a month ago.
I can't seem to update it.

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» What are you thinking, James?

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» I've been hunting for the SDS sheets,
too.

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» Okay.
>> Try now. I'm not sure.

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» I found a list of the chemicals they're
using, but

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» Like, I
This is just showing me stuff from a

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month ago. So it's not
>> Okay, so updated us too.

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» Yeah.

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» Maybe able to pull it up here.
It's hard to read on there.

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» [cough]
>> So what are you thinking?

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» I'm just looking at protected aquifers
in their town.

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» Okay.
>> And see how deep

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It's a the it's the areas of final
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It looks like there's two aquifers that
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» So it sounds like
So I can add these this information to

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the letter. It sounds like we're going
towards a kind of

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neutral for your information type.
>> [snorts]

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» Am I correct in
>> That was where I was headed because I

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see I see it on both sides and I see
them as having to make

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the final the final decision but I I do
I think they are going to make a final

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decision but I do feel like our job is
to put this information in context.

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» Right and I think yep.
I think one of the most important parts

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of that is that adding that you know
paragraph about you know the

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conservation commission understands this
type of activity and there's not many

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best practices on it.
These are our concerns and then kind of

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going to
>> Mhm.

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» [clears throat]
>> the other

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» And and and and I and what I can do is I
can as I

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there were a few other public concerns
like the you know

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things like you know
just you know not allowing something

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like this but that that doesn't really
fall in our in our purview but

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[clears throat] it's really if you go
through the ones that sort of fall

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within our purview and stuff that breaks
into like four categories. We ought to

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be able to say we've heard these. This
is what we've heard. And this is what's

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going on for them. And I
I can take it on myself to summarize

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those and send that to you.
>> Okay.

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» And then you don't you don't have to
figure that out. I'll send that.

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» Okay.
That'd be helpful.

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» As far as
what kind of referral, I'm comfortable

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with a neutral referral.
And I don't think this is

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going to improve anything, but I also
don't think it's going to

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» [snorts]
>> necessarily detract from anything

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either.
Um

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» No, raising our concerns is what we're
supposed to be doing, right?

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» But I think there's a lot of valid
concerns. I also think that they've been

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substantially addressed.
Um but I mean there's always the what

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if.
>> Mhm.

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» [clears throat]
>> And then

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» Yeah, I think that's part of I mean the
other part of the of the the plus side

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is that
and it and it's also balances out with

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the number of car washes that are around
here. But any car wash that's doing this

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and as well operating in a good in a in
a in a as designed system is better than

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anybody washing their car on and going
into the storm sewers.

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» Yeah, and it's better than a parking lot
with dirty cars getting rained on ending

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up in there.
>> Right. And so I think that's part of the

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plus side that needs to get at put in.
So we we have we recognize this. You

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know, we recognize this part. And this
is what's being pushed against.

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» [snorts]
>> So that that's why I think it's kind of

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like out those two fields to it. And
this is a good description of the

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discussion we had.
But that's but that's that's where I

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thought thought it was it needed like
one more tweak.

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» So we would need a motion
for what we're going to pass on

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to the zoning
commission.

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Um
I mean it could be

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Um.

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You know, the draft reference this, the
draft referral letter with the issue to

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end at the
recommendations

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that were discussed during the meeting.
Um.

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And provide a
neutral

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recommendation to the zoning commission.
>> Are we under Are we under timeline right

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now?
>> I mean I would I think we should

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» Yeah.
>> Cuz we want to wrap this up

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» for the next meeting.
>> Okay, their next meeting which is

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» I think it's before our
>> September

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» September 1st meeting. Yeah. [snorts]
>> [clears throat]

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» I would I I would like to get this to
them

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prior to their next to the meeting where
they're

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» Oh, the zoning's meeting?
>> Yes.

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» Okay.
>> We have to.

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» [laughter]

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» So, okay. I I can understand that. That
makes sense. It it doesn't do us very

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good if it doesn't get there. Um,
what are our choices is to

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um
is to [clears throat] essentially Can

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Can we basically do this update and then
do this like over email?

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» So, you can send You could send me the
information. I can update the letter and

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send it.
Um,

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we're not going to change that it's a,
you know, what type of motion you're

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doing like
if it's neutral, positive, negative, or

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nothing.
>> Okay.

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» Um, but we can reference, you know,
saying that

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it's going to be this letter with the
addition with the additional edits that

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were discussed in this meeting.
>> And the ones that you're going to

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» Right. And And And but
>> And then I will You'll see it I mean

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you'll see the final once we work on it
and we see the final letter

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then I can I'll send it out.
>> Okay.

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» Before
>> Okay. So So

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» And this final line that says, "With
this information, we would like to

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submit a neutral approval."
>> Right. So, so the discussion right now

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is whether it's neutral,
positive, or negative.

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» Right.
>> Right.

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» And And
>> Or would like word, again.

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» Or Or Or not.
>> Just neutral. Just for your information.

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» what we found. So, so so Okay, so I
would I would vote that the last one is

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not on the table.
You would be You would be asked to give

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an opinion based on our stuff, and have
it should be one of the other three, but

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not
>> probably agree. I think we can

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come to a
agreement

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on a positive, negative, or neutral.
>> Right. Right. So, I think it's one of

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those three, and not the last option.
Does anybody think it can be the last

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option?
>> No, we should make a

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» Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> know, go on record, and you'll give it

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up.
>> Yeah.

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» Okay.
Then

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then
then the question is, does anybody think

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it should be approved, you know, a
positive endorsement?

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» I'm kind of comfortable with neutral, to
be honest.

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» Yeah. Neutral.
>> And neutral sounds

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Okay.
>> You know, here are our concerns, and

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this is how they end.
>> I I And I And I think that that's I

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think that's a fair one. You know, I I I
don't I think it's also unreasonable

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when something is is an unregulated
activity, and there's not a lot of

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scientific information to point at how
somebody could do something better.

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» Mhm. Correct.
>> And And you know, on the face of it, the

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applicant's done what, you know, has
been

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the only question is more. So, I think
that's the reason I would go for

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neutral,
uh because of these other problems, some

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of them which are out of our control.
>> Yes, when we

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you know, they when they go to the They
have to go went to the state and said

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"What about the carryout?" And the
state's like,

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"You You don't even know." So, it's hard
to say

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» Right.
>> a negative because no one's studied it.

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It's
>> So that's

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Do we Do we need a formal motion now?
>> So maybe it could be something moved

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with this information the Conservation
Commission would like to submit a

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neutral referral to the Zoning
Commission and provide um the the the

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the attached letter of concerns that
were discussed.

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» So moved.
>> Wait a second.

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» Second it.
>> Any discussion?

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All in favor?
Aye.

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» Okay.
Thanks, Britney.

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So I will I'll I'll review the
SCSs as well.

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» Okay.
>> That can be just added to the

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consideration.
>> Yeah.

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» It's not MSDS anymore.
>> Not in a while.

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Yeah, they they tried to go to a more
centralized

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universal because they were every
country had completely different

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requirements. They tried to go to a more
centralized

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» So this is more of an international type
sort of

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» Yes.
Compared to what it was, yes.

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Realistically
>> Okay.

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» So
>> only

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» It's been a while, so
>> Yeah, you're dating yourself.

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» I date myself.
>> It was It was like 15 years ago that it

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changed over to
>> Yeah, it's about time.

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Um
do we have any other conservation

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business?

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Um just for official purposes, can we if
we're not busy super busy the next

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meeting, can we put on the agenda
rodenticide discussion?

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» I have one of the directors' responses.
I'm waiting for the other who said

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they'll get it to me and then we'll So
I'll provide that information and that

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could be the starting off point.
>> Thank you very much.

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Um designated agent actions and other
reports?

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And adjournment.
>> Motion to adjourn.

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» I think
I hit

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all in favor.
I.

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Thank you.
>> For over 40 years, SCM has been the

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voice of our town.
>> Bringing us together through local

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programming and
>> education

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» and live broadcast.
>> SCM isn't just about television.

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» It's about empowering our community.
>> Ensuring our voices are heard during

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government meetings.
>> And celebrating milestones. [music]

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» Like our high school graduations.
>> But today, SCM faces a challenge.

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» Our funding structure is based on
television subscriptions.

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» And it's no secret, people have been
cutting the cord.

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» With a shift to internet-only
subscriptions.

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» SCM receives less revenue.
>> Even though all our programming [music]

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is freely available online.
>> We need your support.

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» We need your support.
>> your support.

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» We need your support.
>> We need your support.

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» Your donation can make a difference.
>> It will ensure that SCM remains open.

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» Continues to educate our youth and keeps
our community informed.

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» Thanks to SCM, I've been honing my
creative skills, helping me work towards

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my college degree.
>> SCM is crucial for keeping our community

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connected.
>> SCM isn't just here to broadcast local

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events. They're actually preserving
[music] Simsbury's history.

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» Join us.
>> Join us in preserving Simsbury's voice.

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» Simsbury's voice.
>> Together we can ensure that SCM

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continues to thrive
>> for generations to come.

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» Visit our website
>> or scan the QR code on your screen to

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make your donation.
>> Every contribution

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» counts.
>> Thank you for supporting Simsbury

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Community Media.
>> Where your town,

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» your schools,
>> and your government come together.