1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:00,680 30, 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:10,200 but it says, resulting in a required setback of 30 feet from the property line. 3 00:00:10,620 --> 00:00:27,500 Yeah, so the county code for the road setbacks is 50 feet from the center line, right? So, if Colin Barrow is 40 foot right away, we take half of that, so that's 20, right? And you take the 20 from the 50, you have 30 feet remaining. 4 00:00:27,500 --> 00:00:36,260 that goes in, so the building can't be 30 feet from. 5 00:00:36,820 --> 00:00:41,920 So it's 20 foot set back, so it's 10 feet off of the easily. 6 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:48,460 Whichever is greater, because they say it's either 50 feet from the center line or 20 feet from the property. 7 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:57,280 So in the case of Combera, if you have a 40 foot easement, it's 20 feet to the edge of the road, 8 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:01,560 but they say you have to be 50 feet from the center line. 9 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:07,420 So you have to go another 30, so you're actually 30 feet in. 10 00:01:07,540 --> 00:01:11,400 That's why this is your here, right? 11 00:01:13,140 --> 00:01:14,640 So here's Combera. 12 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:18,220 You had to go 20 feet in, right? 13 00:01:19,620 --> 00:01:22,900 But they're still requiring it has to be 50 feet from the ceramics. 14 00:01:23,660 --> 00:01:24,720 This would be 30. 15 00:01:25,020 --> 00:01:29,040 So basically, the house is a pre-existing, non-conforming structure. 16 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:32,220 That does not conform to current county. 17 00:01:32,300 --> 00:01:32,660 Yes. 18 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:33,980 And we're okay with that. 19 00:01:34,540 --> 00:01:36,980 It's just, we're adding a deck to it, 20 00:01:37,100 --> 00:01:38,500 which still would be okay, 21 00:01:38,740 --> 00:01:40,800 which is concerned with the visibility. 22 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:46,340 But if you're okay with allowing the debt, that would be it. 23 00:01:47,940 --> 00:01:50,680 I personally don't have a problem with the debt. 24 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:56,000 I mean, looking at the vegetation, you know, and knowing that area, but, you know, some of, 25 00:01:58,100 --> 00:02:02,860 I think the debt's going to be lower than the existing vegetation on the side of Colomarrow, 26 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:06,060 so I don't have a problem with it. 27 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:11,140 And the visibility there and given the amount of traffic, you know, it's the clock. 28 00:02:11,700 --> 00:02:13,580 It's just down, you know, a poop in there. 29 00:02:13,580 --> 00:02:19,140 Yeah, totally interesting, but I'm just giving you my justifications on why I don't have a problem with this at all. 30 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:22,880 Question about that emotion economy. 31 00:02:23,640 --> 00:02:27,260 Is that emotion a period of, is that the maximum height of that emotion? 32 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:27,900 There's a pencil. 33 00:02:28,020 --> 00:02:29,240 I did sexy height. 34 00:02:29,500 --> 00:02:30,860 I think it's a bush. 35 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:32,420 Yes, how is it going to grow? 36 00:02:32,940 --> 00:02:35,660 That's a high, I don't let it go over the fence line because of the intersection. 37 00:02:35,940 --> 00:02:36,440 It's a lot of water. 38 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:37,980 I just make sure that you keep it there. 39 00:02:38,620 --> 00:02:42,840 I want to get it's freight train in that intersection, then where did it be on the hook floor? 40 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:44,120 Yep, I know everything. 41 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:51,020 Item five of the conditions talks about having landscaping not in P. then quarter. 42 00:02:56,620 --> 00:03:01,220 Which, yeah, so with that as Commissioner Ville, do you have any questions or comments? 43 00:03:01,340 --> 00:03:02,260 I like to make a motion. 44 00:03:02,780 --> 00:03:03,540 Okay, go ahead. 45 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:06,680 I move that we adopt resolution P.C. 2.0. 46 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:14,200 There should zero, zero, eight, proving the high variance with the steeper exemption subject 47 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:16,260 to the recommendations by the attention. 48 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:19,540 Hey, we have a motion, do we have a second? 49 00:03:21,300 --> 00:03:22,740 I will second it. 50 00:03:22,920 --> 00:03:23,080 Okay. 51 00:03:23,820 --> 00:03:25,680 So, I have a discussion, 52 00:03:28,100 --> 00:03:28,460 yes. 53 00:03:28,940 --> 00:03:29,860 Do you want to admit? 54 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:32,020 We have no moment. 55 00:03:32,300 --> 00:03:32,520 Okay. 56 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:33,940 Just for the discussion. 57 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:34,360 Okay. 58 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:37,000 So we have a motion in a second. 59 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:38,540 Any further discussion? 60 00:03:38,540 --> 00:03:40,020 What's your family? 61 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:41,220 That. 62 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:43,120 So, for our 63 00:03:48,210 --> 00:03:49,330 certification, 64 00:03:53,340 --> 00:03:55,860 I get the cloud is unincorporated. 65 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:58,320 I mean, then incorporated, 66 00:03:58,860 --> 00:03:59,980 that in the four zones, 67 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:01,540 why we get such a, 68 00:04:05,550 --> 00:04:09,220 we run into this a lot in the cloud. 69 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:13,120 The current county code 70 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:15,140 with the setbacks, 71 00:04:17,500 --> 00:04:18,240 streets and highways, 72 00:04:22,850 --> 00:04:24,710 I understand the, 73 00:04:24,710 --> 00:04:30,630 We're created for unincorporated areas, not really taking into consideration 74 00:04:31,710 --> 00:04:36,310 City of or the town in the cloud. 75 00:04:38,510 --> 00:04:41,450 And I'm thinking about this. 76 00:04:41,450 --> 00:04:48,010 This setback obviously takes out a third of this house. 77 00:04:48,910 --> 00:04:49,750 And 78 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:55,340 as we are doing our general plan, 79 00:04:58,940 --> 00:05:20,560 I hate to complicate things, but do we need to carve out a section in this rewrite that would apply specifically to unincorporated towns and municipalities by the Callahan, McLeod, Town, Town, 80 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:36,060 Hornbrook that do not have their own planning departments and the setbacks would be framed 81 00:05:36,490 --> 00:05:45,760 so that we can eliminate some of these pre-existing, unconforming structures to save time 82 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:55,700 So we don't have to have projects in the future like this coming before us, that with a common sense change in language. 83 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:59,240 No variance would be needed here. 84 00:05:59,740 --> 00:06:05,960 Is that something, I'm just throwing it out to staff to consider because of this project. 85 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:14,400 And as I look at setbacks, it would make sense if this were a setback coming off a highway 93, highway 97. 86 00:06:16,580 --> 00:06:21,280 coming off of the Oberlin Road. Okay, I'd get that. In the town that 87 00:06:21,280 --> 00:06:26,340 went cloud, in the town of Calen, down in Horses Creek, Happy Camp. I mean, we're 88 00:06:26,340 --> 00:06:31,820 having various issues in the town of Happy Camp right now, just like this. So maybe 89 00:06:31,820 --> 00:06:38,060 we would staff, I'm going to throw some work at you. We maybe need this phrase, some 90 00:06:38,060 --> 00:06:42,940 things a little differently in our setbacks, and these unincorporated counts. I'm just 91 00:06:42,940 --> 00:06:45,120 I wanted out there as it relates to this problem. 92 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:47,980 It may be like we can talk about it more in the school business. 93 00:06:48,220 --> 00:06:51,700 But I want to make sure that's on the record because I foresee a lot of these. 94 00:06:51,840 --> 00:06:53,340 We've already had two and a half a can. 95 00:06:53,500 --> 00:06:54,360 We have one in the cloud. 96 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:56,220 I'm sure we may have another one in the cloud. 97 00:06:56,620 --> 00:06:56,780 Yeah. 98 00:06:57,420 --> 00:06:58,080 It's a concern. 99 00:06:58,560 --> 00:06:58,660 I have. 100 00:06:58,660 --> 00:07:01,380 Through the chair, I'd just like to make note, right? 101 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:05,480 As a Gem Dice, we're going to be discussing the draft-semin code for the next item. 102 00:07:05,740 --> 00:07:10,980 We have talked about this a little bit, you know, and I do think there are some reductions 103 00:07:10,980 --> 00:07:16,940 that we already have implemented in terms of the zoning, right? This is a res line. We would assume 104 00:07:16,940 --> 00:07:24,800 it's in an unincorporated town, community, not somewhere on, you know, see somewhere or whatever, right? 105 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:27,860 So just something to be aware of as we go. 106 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:29,840 Just trying to say stop time. 107 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:44,100 We have an ideal. We had it worded right. This project wouldn't even be in front of us for this reason. Right. Yeah, the setbacks are really generalized right now. The coverage and moderation, but for variants for distances, setbacks, we probably wouldn't see this. 108 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:46,640 Let's take a toast. Right. Right. 109 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:53,440 way about it. I'm making sure of diesel but understand what we're doing today. All we're doing 110 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:58,580 is sports. And we're not doing anything with the garage theory. 111 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:00,960 Yeah, that's one thing front of us in our pocket. 112 00:08:01,900 --> 00:08:09,860 Okay. So that whatever transpired building department about the new garage is a separate issue. 113 00:08:09,860 --> 00:08:18,940 And I agree with, with Dusty, and the greater one role of the DJI will have gone to the deal with this is unacceptable to me. 114 00:08:19,340 --> 00:08:20,600 A lot of us have to do with staff. 115 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:22,620 I just look at the department here. 116 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:24,620 You guys are so understaffed as a problem. 117 00:08:25,500 --> 00:08:30,380 All of the county staffs in all of the departments are way understaffed because of funding. 118 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:31,880 So that's the way. 119 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:34,700 And when I'm seeing contractors, they're one works for me. 120 00:08:34,700 --> 00:08:41,700 And these wait 18 months to get a $2 million home build because of that. 121 00:08:41,700 --> 00:08:48,800 Two foot extension over this exact thing that they had to modify that building. 122 00:08:50,020 --> 00:08:50,720 That's crazy. 123 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:52,340 Absolutely crazy. 124 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:56,820 So are you gentlemen clear that all we're dealing with is the porch? 125 00:08:57,060 --> 00:08:57,880 Yes, sir. 126 00:08:58,120 --> 00:08:58,660 Yes, sir. 127 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:06,820 I have one question just in its clarification also for the project of the moment, just so 128 00:09:06,820 --> 00:09:08,100 we have it on the record. 129 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,440 This is my question from Mr. Felser, to remember. 130 00:09:13,830 --> 00:09:27,380 When it comes to assessing coverage of a parser, I get that it only counts root structure. 131 00:09:28,680 --> 00:09:36,600 Does it take the footprint of the foundation or does it take the area of the roof line? 132 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:41,440 I agree with that. 133 00:09:41,820 --> 00:09:42,680 I agree with that. 134 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:54,180 But I guess, I know I look at, I look at there being scenarios as we talk about coverage of a 135 00:09:54,180 --> 00:10:00,160 parcel, as we've been talking about our general plan, a percentage of coverage. 136 00:10:01,500 --> 00:10:13,760 And it makes me think there are times where you may want to run an E for whether sun, snow 137 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:16,680 load, radiation, et cetera. 138 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:24,160 I understand where it may be at advantageous to extend that out further in my mind, and 139 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:33,120 beyond the non-ductors, I would look at the coverage being the foundation of footprint, not the roof wall and foot print. 140 00:10:33,220 --> 00:10:35,040 And I'm just putting that out there. 141 00:10:35,140 --> 00:10:36,540 That's how building does it. 142 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:42,200 If you look at the building, they don't calculate the square footage based on the floor area. 143 00:10:42,700 --> 00:10:43,420 That's not a thought. 144 00:10:43,420 --> 00:10:43,580 That's not a thought. 145 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:45,460 I didn't understand your question. 146 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:46,440 Thank you. 147 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:51,480 I did want to point out that code section that we're dealing with here. 148 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:54,880 If you look, it's talking about every road, right? 149 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:58,820 Anything dedicated to public use, all state roads and highways. 150 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:01,240 So it's not just roads in the county system. 151 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:05,180 So this 50-foot set back, this isn't like a standard in the state. 152 00:11:05,820 --> 00:11:08,280 So we want to really be careful. 153 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:10,260 Doing very instances is one thing. 154 00:11:10,300 --> 00:11:14,420 But we want to make sure we're one of our new code 155 00:11:14,420 --> 00:11:19,380 is consistent with cow chances, you know, in the states. 156 00:11:19,380 --> 00:11:23,840 You know, requirements, so I don't know what it would make sense for us, too. 157 00:11:24,100 --> 00:11:27,440 Well, I would say, why don't we talk about, yeah, we'll talk about that on general plan. 158 00:11:27,500 --> 00:11:28,000 Yeah, yeah. 159 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:28,560 Yeah, yeah. 160 00:11:28,580 --> 00:11:29,400 Let's talk about that. 161 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:31,500 I'd like to call it a roll. 162 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:32,520 I'll call it a roll. 163 00:11:32,980 --> 00:11:33,600 I'll call it a roll. 164 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:36,200 I just have a quick question. 165 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:44,640 Given the fact that the view issue seems to have been reduced, the skirt is kind of important 166 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:46,360 to our architectural reference. 167 00:11:46,740 --> 00:11:47,540 We don't know. 168 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:48,620 We don't. 169 00:11:48,620 --> 00:11:52,800 We just giving you the green light and the board you took great. Thank you. 170 00:11:53,420 --> 00:11:59,480 Yep. You can. Yeah. Um, so with that, uh, roll call vote. Commissioner Hart. Yes. 171 00:11:59,860 --> 00:12:04,540 Commissioner foul. Yes. Commissioner deal. Yes. Commissioner Lender. Yes. 172 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:09,880 And Chairman Lender. Absolutely. Great. Okay. I think he's very much fair to you all very much. 173 00:12:10,380 --> 00:12:17,540 So moving on to old business agenda item more zoning code update. This is a preliminary public review draft. 174 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:27,200 staff is workplace? Yes. As you know, last few months the last few meetings of the commission we have 175 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:34,620 been going over the zoning code in detail, those edits were made based on the planning 176 00:12:34,620 --> 00:12:43,180 commissions we view. Thereafter we submitted those changes to County Council's office, Mr. Carol 177 00:12:43,180 --> 00:12:47,620 we've used them, and provided comments here. 178 00:12:47,620 --> 00:12:51,920 Those were all incorporated and sent to the consultants 179 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:54,440 and they incorporated county council's comments. 180 00:12:54,960 --> 00:13:01,420 And this is the final product that, for your final review, 181 00:13:02,660 --> 00:13:05,080 before I joined the meeting with the Board of Supervisors, 182 00:13:05,620 --> 00:13:09,280 staff did have some additional comments 183 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:11,060 that I would like to go over with you 184 00:13:11,060 --> 00:13:18,600 to get clarification on regarding the most recent version when you're ready. 185 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:23,880 Yeah, real quickly before you begin, you said joint meeting with the Board of Supervisors 186 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:26,300 has that date, it's October 20th. 187 00:13:26,560 --> 00:13:31,220 Yeah, I was going to mention it during the next slide, but I'm not sure if it's okay. 188 00:13:33,250 --> 00:13:36,670 I didn't bring the peak factor, did you bring the peak factor? 189 00:13:36,670 --> 00:13:37,930 I'll have it on the right side. 190 00:13:38,070 --> 00:13:38,170 I'll have it on the left side. 191 00:13:38,170 --> 00:13:38,750 I'll get it. 192 00:13:38,850 --> 00:13:41,270 I'll have it on the left side. 193 00:13:41,270 --> 00:13:41,890 I'll have it on the left side. 194 00:13:43,350 --> 00:13:43,870 Okay. 195 00:13:44,350 --> 00:13:45,710 And you don't have the rise. 196 00:13:46,590 --> 00:13:47,470 Yeah, I do. 197 00:13:47,810 --> 00:13:49,050 Well, I don't know why you're hurt. 198 00:13:49,250 --> 00:13:50,390 I don't have the rise of coverage. 199 00:13:51,010 --> 00:13:52,030 So it's ours. 200 00:13:52,650 --> 00:13:54,590 I got this courtesy assistant telephone. 201 00:13:57,570 --> 00:14:00,350 So my Adobe Act of that says it wants to update, 202 00:14:00,570 --> 00:14:02,250 but I have a word version on here. 203 00:14:04,350 --> 00:14:07,210 So you don't only want to update when we do a presentation, 204 00:14:07,870 --> 00:14:10,670 but there were some concerns that I wanted 205 00:14:10,670 --> 00:14:17,450 And before I feel the questions from the commission, I wanted to put it out and I never 206 00:14:17,450 --> 00:14:22,350 have a good memory, so I wrote them in the side so I would remember. 207 00:14:22,650 --> 00:14:36,010 But basically on page 52 in your PDF that you have, we have a section regarding the zoning, 208 00:14:37,150 --> 00:14:45,190 zoning clearance permits. And when I was reading it this week, preparing for our meeting 209 00:14:45,190 --> 00:14:52,550 today, if you look at the highlighted section, it's basically saying, we now are going 210 00:14:52,550 --> 00:14:58,870 to require a permit for anything anybody wants to do in the county if it's permitted. And 211 00:14:58,870 --> 00:14:59,970 I didn't think that would be the end of the day. 212 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:04,120 Attention of our commission. It's right now, it says. 213 00:15:04,700 --> 00:15:07,040 But thank you. What I'm following? 52. 214 00:15:08,740 --> 00:15:10,440 Hey, 52, look at your PDF. 215 00:15:11,180 --> 00:15:12,320 Gender packages, you be on. 216 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:15,140 Okay. Hang on one second. Let me catch up there. 217 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:19,860 Could there are some pages that I thought I had questions on prior to 52? 218 00:15:20,380 --> 00:15:24,020 Oh yeah, these were just things that I noticed and then we could go through anything that. 219 00:15:24,860 --> 00:15:25,860 Let me jump to 52. 220 00:15:27,060 --> 00:15:28,100 The zoning class. 221 00:15:28,100 --> 00:15:30,780 age 38, 59, 222 00:15:43,030 --> 00:15:44,650 58, 52, here we go. 223 00:15:46,830 --> 00:15:49,090 So the shots here, can you see that in our 224 00:15:49,090 --> 00:15:51,890 course or be all? Yes, okay. 225 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:06,220 Any activity related by the zoning code? 226 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:13,360 And I understand, I think our initial discussion in commission was, if someone has a 227 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:16,880 huge project, they believe it's permitted, but they just want to 228 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:22,660 before they invest a bunch of money, they come in and we could issue a zoning clearance permit, 229 00:16:22,900 --> 00:16:27,880 saying, yes, this project is permitted and they would feel better about proceeding within 230 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:37,000 multi-million dollar project. I don't believe it was commissions intention to say any permitted use in a district requires one of these permits. 231 00:16:37,580 --> 00:16:44,180 And the way we're read is written now is the commencement of any actually I've regulated by a zoning code unless expressly 232 00:16:44,180 --> 00:16:51,320 is going to require one of these zoning permits and I went through there are no exemptions. 233 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:54,880 So we say, unless exempted but then we don't exempt anything. 234 00:16:55,140 --> 00:17:01,490 So the consequence is every permitted use that we went through, 235 00:17:01,590 --> 00:17:03,970 let me find the actual use table. 236 00:17:03,970 --> 00:17:17,370 is that a fresh exemption referring to our plethora of items that we went down where they were 237 00:17:17,370 --> 00:17:24,370 containered necessary. I'll find another one. It's allowed by right. Yeah, what I'm referring to. 238 00:17:25,490 --> 00:17:29,490 Let me show you that table. It is referring to that table, but if you look at that table, 239 00:17:29,850 --> 00:17:33,850 the table even says it requires a zoning plan that's printed. And I don't believe that 240 00:17:34,370 --> 00:17:36,230 That was an order of tension. 241 00:17:36,490 --> 00:17:37,390 That's exactly right. 242 00:17:37,390 --> 00:17:37,590 That's right. 243 00:17:38,030 --> 00:17:42,890 I mean, that was the whole reason for going down and adding additional these are considered 244 00:17:42,890 --> 00:17:47,010 a necessary allowed by right permit not needed. 245 00:17:47,050 --> 00:17:47,330 Yep. 246 00:17:47,510 --> 00:17:51,070 And the whole intent, right, is for uses that are not expressively or they're in the gray, 247 00:17:51,390 --> 00:17:53,230 or, you know, they just need additional consideration. 248 00:17:53,870 --> 00:17:54,190 Okay. 249 00:17:54,530 --> 00:17:55,610 We're on the same page. 250 00:17:55,610 --> 00:18:00,850 I'm getting why, yeah, this language is not appropriate. 251 00:18:00,850 --> 00:18:09,610 A pro please a bowl. Yeah, if you give me one moment. These things only occur to our presentation. I have Mr. Dean's old laptop 252 00:18:11,910 --> 00:18:22,450 It's like it, but I want to hear what you next out the question for Ms. Line Zoning clearance permit is that simply a reference to 253 00:18:23,790 --> 00:18:30,550 Planning staff signs off. Yes, this is allowed correct and we don't have anything in our code right now 254 00:18:30,850 --> 00:18:35,170 that really speak. It's sort of like our planning director determinations. It's just formalizing it 255 00:18:35,170 --> 00:18:41,010 because we don't really have a set process and it's just to let folks know and you have something you know in between 256 00:18:41,010 --> 00:18:42,850 we'll review it. 257 00:18:44,270 --> 00:18:45,850 The permit move on. 258 00:18:46,770 --> 00:18:55,950 As of September 16th, 2026, this county does not issue a zoning plan that's permits. 259 00:18:59,970 --> 00:19:00,490 Right. 260 00:19:00,490 --> 00:19:06,550 existence. So maybe that language, the words there, that's exactly right. 261 00:19:06,550 --> 00:19:11,490 Need to be modified instead of it being called a permit. 262 00:19:11,630 --> 00:19:17,630 Can you feel like a certain player's review or planning director something? 263 00:19:18,230 --> 00:19:21,490 Like, is this basically like pre-concultation, right? 264 00:19:22,490 --> 00:19:28,490 Like, I tell you guys, hey, the way I read the code, this is allowed on just getting 265 00:19:29,010 --> 00:19:30,410 Yes, I think. 266 00:19:30,410 --> 00:19:32,470 The yes and the I don't need a permit. 267 00:19:32,510 --> 00:19:39,030 Right. I think like a zoning clearage review would make sense because again it's speaking to 268 00:19:39,890 --> 00:19:43,570 uses their eyes, pressively in the code, whereas is it allowed by right? 269 00:19:43,710 --> 00:19:46,310 Well you need a use permit should there be a zone change? 270 00:19:46,590 --> 00:19:51,630 It's, you know, giving that information to the applicant and formalizing it because so many times 271 00:19:51,630 --> 00:19:54,510 I dealt with this for the years I worked at the county. 272 00:19:54,510 --> 00:20:00,390 Oh, so when so approved this X amount of years ago, okay, well, where is the paperwork or the allowance for it? 273 00:20:00,610 --> 00:20:04,910 Oh, there isn't anything, right? So it's just to make sure we have some things, you know, I said back that. 274 00:20:05,750 --> 00:20:08,010 I agree with Jeff, they'll call in at a permit. 275 00:20:08,410 --> 00:20:10,150 Yeah, we'll kind of put a clearance review. 276 00:20:10,330 --> 00:20:17,410 A clearance review. I think changing the name or the name, the reference to how you're describing it. 277 00:20:17,530 --> 00:20:22,830 I don't have any problem with having it a forum, if you will, you can check these boxes. 278 00:20:23,990 --> 00:20:29,950 pre-consultation is what we do in my industry and it saves a lot of time and money on everybody's 279 00:20:29,950 --> 00:20:30,210 part. 280 00:20:31,770 --> 00:20:38,730 So, having that, I just yet another permit to mean something more regulating. 281 00:20:39,430 --> 00:20:41,170 This isn't a regulated process. 282 00:20:41,650 --> 00:20:43,170 So, I did definitely change that. 283 00:20:43,370 --> 00:20:44,850 Well, we'll rename it. 284 00:20:46,050 --> 00:20:47,230 So, good catch there. 285 00:20:47,370 --> 00:20:50,330 Here's a good example of Commissioner Fowl. 286 00:20:50,330 --> 00:20:54,590 He was a friend of the table's movement through in depth and all those meetings 287 00:20:54,590 --> 00:21:00,050 So if you look at this table, right for AG1, AG2, TPC, and open space 288 00:21:01,550 --> 00:21:07,430 Single family dwellings are permitted, right? So they shouldn't need to but according to this table 289 00:21:07,430 --> 00:21:10,990 For me, but you all they also would need to get a zoning plan is permanent 290 00:21:10,990 --> 00:21:14,570 So I'm not sure if that was the intention of the 291 00:21:15,530 --> 00:21:15,990 Dimitian 292 00:21:16,630 --> 00:21:20,170 I didn't believe it was and so I think this may have to change 293 00:21:21,210 --> 00:21:26,970 If that makes sense, right, because these are all permitted uses p means permitted by right. 294 00:21:28,030 --> 00:21:29,110 What's the table you choose? 295 00:21:29,350 --> 00:21:29,850 For the double. 296 00:21:30,370 --> 00:21:34,270 This is table 10.1-3-1. 297 00:21:34,650 --> 00:21:36,250 This would be in part five. 298 00:21:36,690 --> 00:21:38,430 What do you think that would be? 299 00:21:39,670 --> 00:21:40,190 Yeah. 300 00:21:41,070 --> 00:21:44,070 Yeah, so we would just want to modify to say a lot of by right. 301 00:21:44,070 --> 00:21:50,050 And then we would put some ink clear in the permit and then just modify the language to allow for that process to occur. 302 00:21:50,070 --> 00:21:52,650 But use is not expressively identified in the code. 303 00:21:53,950 --> 00:21:56,210 So we would that want to go through all the tables. 304 00:21:58,930 --> 00:22:00,550 And do that. 305 00:22:00,810 --> 00:22:03,630 And then I'm going to go to the permit section. 306 00:22:13,140 --> 00:22:14,780 So here's the zoning clearance permit. 307 00:22:21,700 --> 00:22:28,500 So yeah, we just want to revise maybe this to maybe indicate this is more of a voluntary thing. 308 00:22:28,500 --> 00:22:29,860 with a property owner. 309 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:36,860 What did it specific you authorized ahead of time? So it's clear that this is a causal take note. 310 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:42,460 You don't need to permit for everything you do now. I think it would be an uproar. 311 00:22:42,780 --> 00:22:52,640 I think it's a good process to have that documentation. I'm there referencing what we just heard, like so and so left. 312 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:56,340 And then the child has got dropped, at least you have a review. 313 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:58,420 I think it takes a couple of functions. 314 00:22:59,060 --> 00:23:01,420 Reviews to the, you know what he said, 315 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:03,940 or vice versa, or additional staff, 316 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:05,740 as well as I think it kind of 317 00:23:05,740 --> 00:23:07,560 on those sources like a tracking mechanism. 318 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:08,840 Absolutely tiny. 319 00:23:10,360 --> 00:23:13,000 Like what you know when you work on these, 320 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,760 for work structure, I see, I see good things, 321 00:23:16,860 --> 00:23:18,380 as well as making sure things are dropped. 322 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:20,860 Well, it's not because I feel bad when, you know, 323 00:23:20,860 --> 00:23:22,520 Well, and right, like, and get dropped. 324 00:23:22,940 --> 00:23:25,240 Myself and James, we interpret things a different way. 325 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:27,720 You know, at least that formalization would be in there. 326 00:23:27,820 --> 00:23:30,700 If someone else down the road, you know, would, oh, it's already, okay. 327 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:31,900 Let's move forward, right? 328 00:23:32,580 --> 00:23:33,800 So, yep, no, okay. 329 00:23:33,820 --> 00:23:35,260 So I think that, okay, so- 330 00:23:35,260 --> 00:23:38,580 The commission be agreeable for us to make those modifications 331 00:23:38,580 --> 00:23:39,920 to the zone and claim it's permit. 332 00:23:40,020 --> 00:23:41,580 Because I don't believe that was your intention 333 00:23:42,260 --> 00:23:43,860 to over-regulate the calendar. 334 00:23:44,180 --> 00:23:46,860 No, it was a under-regulate, but not under-regulate, 335 00:23:46,940 --> 00:23:48,840 but make things just simplified. 336 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:58,340 We're trying to simplify and longer I said here, I remember the discussion that took place on this. 337 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:08,100 I think a more appropriate term may be zoning clearance approval. 338 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:18,820 Okay, and I know within this section, it talks about the applicant providing the name, 339 00:24:18,900 --> 00:24:25,760 the location, the parcel number, the description of the activity, potential site plans 340 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:32,620 and additional information, et cetera, that they bring to planning staff to say, my interpretation 341 00:24:32,620 --> 00:24:37,540 of the code says I don't need to use permit on allowed to buy right, but this is what I'm 342 00:24:37,540 --> 00:24:46,920 finding undoing can you confirm that and that Avenue is there as my memory serves because 343 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:56,080 some lending entities before they will allow an entity to borrow money for construction 344 00:24:56,080 --> 00:25:03,760 building etc need just a piece of paper saying yes this is this is legal within the 345 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:10,620 you assist you. Yeah. And so this is that avenue that you get a slain signature. Yep, a lot 346 00:25:10,620 --> 00:25:16,620 by right. Yeah, it's certainly neat that. Yeah, and that would be a voluntary as opposed to 347 00:25:17,420 --> 00:25:22,480 every person that that wants to build a home now needs it and another permit that we wouldn't want that 348 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:30,920 to hurt. Okay. So we have to since it's been the question though that brings up is the item C 349 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:38,360 fees. The application shall be accompanied by the required fee. 350 00:25:40,450 --> 00:25:40,890 So there's a 351 00:25:40,890 --> 00:25:45,870 fee for pre-consultation? Not for pre-application, now that's free. Well, we have one here. 352 00:25:46,390 --> 00:26:02,210 Yes. Yes. Because we're trying to eliminate or minimize the hassles of the 353 00:26:02,210 --> 00:26:07,630 came to the table or the counter and said, hey, this is what I'm planning to do, is why I understand 354 00:26:07,630 --> 00:26:15,370 I'm allowed to do by right. Do we, is it reasonable to say we need to assess a fee just for a 355 00:26:15,370 --> 00:26:19,850 consultation? I don't think so. Right. Yeah. And that would be up to the commission to decide that 356 00:26:19,850 --> 00:26:25,950 whether or not that fees appropriate. Strike C. Okay. This would be right here. 357 00:26:30,140 --> 00:26:34,140 This is part of 358 00:26:34,140 --> 00:26:37,520 The answer is back from you guys. This is just a Q&A. 359 00:26:37,820 --> 00:26:43,140 I would say the fee if anything would be minimal could really stop time. 360 00:26:43,460 --> 00:26:48,180 We would look up the parcel. We would see the zoning. We would look up the allowable uses. 361 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:54,680 We could generate. I have an issue with the pre-consultation having a fee associated with it. 362 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,800 If it requires a use permit. Yeah. 363 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:08,080 Generally, some other permit a change in zoning requirement, et cetera, absolutely feet for a staff time. 364 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:14,620 Simply to look and verify is what code says, this is what the opponent wants to do. 365 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:19,220 No, a necessary, your good, go ahead and do it, I'll sign you off so you can borrow the money. 366 00:27:19,220 --> 00:27:26,920 Okay, yeah, we're it's okay to remove it, but I just as I say like if stat has to generate an official document 367 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:32,640 Which is because it's a voluntary process it would be different because right now pre-consultation 368 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,540 We don't trust it cost to make copy 369 00:27:35,500 --> 00:27:39,780 No, it's not just I don't know that it's the copies to hit it 370 00:27:39,780 --> 00:27:42,380 We have to generate an actual official 371 00:27:42,980 --> 00:27:49,020 Document right because they're gonna take hey we pre-approved, but I think it needs to we need that I think this is a point to 372 00:27:49,020 --> 00:27:53,620 because I see where you're going because it's saying it's a big development and they 373 00:27:53,620 --> 00:27:58,440 want some pre-consultation and there's a lot of research, et cetera, and then 374 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:05,200 need to give the answer. I can see that. But if this is like, hey, I'm gonna add a 375 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:11,700 deck and I'm in here and then they need to check some boxes. But I can see, I can see 376 00:28:12,340 --> 00:28:17,980 that they're using. Because I'm just thinking from like a developer standpoint, you're 377 00:28:17,980 --> 00:28:23,740 put in a subdivision. They get out of a lot of their questions answered potentially in this that would