[0:00] Say Andy, to your point, it's harder and
[0:01] harder to see things organically.
[0:04] >> There is.
[0:06] >> I work in the space of like buying ads.
[0:09] It's very crazy.
[0:11] I'm relieved I don't buy political ads
[0:13] anymore for me or for campaigns or that
[0:15] is even crazier. It's a whole other
[0:18] system and process. Yeah.
[0:21] >> How was How was Regine?
[0:24] Doing good?
[0:25] And Puck?
[0:27] >> How are we going to have Puck doing
[0:28] much?
[0:29] >> He's not such a Puck anymore.
[0:35] » Good evening. We'll bring this meeting
[0:37] of the Skowhegan Planning Board to
[0:39] order.
[0:41] First item of business that we have is
[0:44] to organize.
[0:47] At the present, we have two of our
[0:49] members who
[0:52] need to be sworn in and Gail isn't here
[0:55] to swear them in. So, they
[0:59] can't nominate and they can't vote.
[1:02] And the question I have is from the
[1:05] board, do we want to
[1:07] Does anybody want to make a motion to
[1:09] put this off to the next meeting where
[1:11] they are permitted to do that?
[1:13] >> I would move that we wait until we have
[1:14] a full board to select them.
[1:16] >> Do we have a second?
[1:17] >> I'll second.
[1:17] >> Is there any discussion about that?
[1:20] Seeing none, we'll vote. All those in
[1:22] favor, please raise your hand.
[1:24] Your
[1:24] >> You're mine. Okay.
[1:27] >> So, it's unanimous.
[1:28] >> that need to be sworn in?
[1:31] >> [laughter]
[1:31] >> Okay, we'll put that off to the next
[1:33] meeting.
[1:33] >> Brandy, Andy.
[1:35] >> We do have a quorum.
[1:38] And Aaron, you're taking Michelle's
[1:39] place.
[1:40] >> Okay.
[1:43] » And I'll entertain a motion to approve
[1:45] the minutes from the last meeting.
[1:48] It's been a while since we've had a
[1:50] meeting, so.
[1:51] >> A couple of months.
[1:54] I move that we
[1:56] accept them.
[1:58] >> Okay, you got a motion
[2:00] to approve the minutes. Do we have a
[2:01] second?
[2:03] >> I second.
[2:03] >> Okay, got a second. Is there any
[2:06] additions or corrections?
[2:10] Seeing none, we'll vote. All those in
[2:11] favor, please raise your hand.
[2:16] Those opposed?
[2:17] Motion carries.
[2:20] Okay.
[2:21] Next item of business
[2:24] under site plan subdivision.
[2:26] Pre-application review for proposed
[2:28] eight-lot subdivision application
[2:30] submitted by Durago Engineering for
[2:33] Jeremy
[2:35] How do you pronounce your name? Reardon?
[2:38] >> It's pronounced Reardon.
[2:38] >> Reardon? Okay, Reardon to be located on
[2:41] Fourth Street.
[2:43] Okay, uh who's going to be speaking?
[2:47] >> Uh I'll get up and speak to start, but
[2:49] I'll defer any technical questions to
[2:51] Randy. Everyone, I'm Jeremy. I've come
[2:54] to you uh apply for a subdivision. Um I
[2:57] purchased Fourth Street from a gentleman
[2:59] named Larry Smith out of Cornville about
[3:01] 5 years ago.
[3:03] There's two newer homes on the property.
[3:06] Two of them need to be replaced. And I'd
[3:08] also like to
[3:10] upgrade in the back. There's quite a bit
[3:12] of room, I think, to do it.
[3:14] Um
[3:15] but what I'd really like to also do is
[3:17] if the subdivision's approved,
[3:19] I'd like to also upgrade um this home
[3:21] and this home.
[3:24] So, I'm looking to buy possibly six new
[3:27] mobile homes to put on the property.
[3:30] Um
[3:31] I've contracted uh Skowhegan Sand and
[3:34] Gravel for the groundwork.
[3:37] They've offered to do that, um take on
[3:39] the contract. I have um applied for some
[3:42] financing through Skowhegan Savings.
[3:44] They've approved me on that, so
[3:47] we're hoping to get through this process
[3:48] and
[3:51] questions.
[3:55] » Are there any questions?
[4:00] Why
[4:01] yes, Jeff.
[4:03] Did you want to add before?
[4:04] >> No, no.
[4:05] >> Okay.
[4:06] Um well, first off I I'd say thank you
[4:08] for
[4:09] both the improvement and the expansion.
[4:12] We do need housing. This is within town,
[4:14] so appreciate that. Um as far as the new
[4:18] homes, are those um
[4:20] Are Are you thinking new or new used?
[4:23] >> I'm going to purchase I intend to
[4:25] purchase new homes. Um they're going to
[4:27] be probably 15 by 60.
[4:30] >> Okay.
[4:30] >> Yeah.
[4:32] >> And then my
[4:33] other question was on lot or
[4:36] lot 7 and 8.
[4:37] >> Yes.
[4:38] >> like the number eight may be used in the
[4:40] future for a house lot, and I just was
[4:42] curious about any thoughts to any
[4:44] buffering um between there and the
[4:47] community center.
[4:48] >> So I would intend to leave as much um
[4:51] space between a buffer a tree buffer
[4:53] between the property and the community
[4:55] center as possible.
[4:57] Um
[4:57] so I wouldn't be looking to take the
[4:58] woods back all the way up to it. And as
[5:00] far as that lot number eight goes, I
[5:02] mean
[5:03] it would probably be either like a
[5:05] single wide mobile home with a small
[5:07] garage or possibly a just a small double
[5:11] wide or something. So you know, I
[5:13] wouldn't be looking to put like a big
[5:15] colonial back there or nothing. Yeah.
[5:18] >> Appreciate that.
[5:19] >> Or possibly may just be um
[5:22] another single wide 15 by 60. So
[5:25] >> Okay.
[5:27] Yeah. Thank you.
[5:27] >> Yeah.
[5:29] Well, I think I'll let Randy speak. He
[5:30] can give the details better than I can.
[5:34] >> Yeah, one of the things one of the
[5:35] things Sorry, I'll introduce myself.
[5:37] Randy Butler, I'm with Dirigo
[5:38] Engineering. Um one of the things you
[5:40] might notice on the plan is we're trying
[5:41] to keep the lots relatively large.
[5:44] Typically, when you think in mobile home
[5:46] park, you think in tight lots and so
[5:47] forth. The Sky Higgens minimum size is
[5:50] 6,500 sq. ft. The minimum that we've got
[5:53] there is 12
[5:55] almost double that. Lot number three is
[5:57] at 12,600.
[5:58] I guess we do have sorry, lot number
[6:00] five. That's that's the the the smallest
[6:02] of and that's kind of because we're
[6:03] trying to retain some space for storm
[6:05] water detention if we need it. And I as
[6:07] I'm looking at that, there is a typo on
[6:08] that. It should be about 6655
[6:12] sq. ft. Um
[6:14] you can see the rest of them average 13
[6:16] to 20,000 give or take. So, they're
[6:19] decent size lots compared to a typical
[6:22] mobile home. His intent is just to keep
[6:24] it uh more open, more
[6:27] neighborhood setting as opposed to a
[6:29] crammed in park.
[6:32] One of the
[6:34] issues there right now it's just a
[6:35] gravel road,
[6:37] um relatively narrow. I think 10 to 12
[6:39] ft wide and I'm quite sure the fire
[6:42] chief is going to require a 20-ft width.
[6:45] Uh that's pretty common on a on a home
[6:47] as this. So, that's what I've drawn in
[6:48] there.
[6:49] Um
[6:50] typical mobile home park requires 20
[6:52] state law says 23-ft minimum
[6:54] right-of-way width. I've gone with 24
[6:56] just for simple simplicity there.
[6:59] >> [snorts]
[6:59] >> Uh and then we show the setbacks there
[7:01] off the lines as well.
[7:05] Both water and sewer will be public.
[7:07] And I've got to do some research on
[7:09] storm drainage. Everything drains toward
[7:12] West Front Street. As you might have
[7:14] noticed, there's a typo on that. I
[7:15] labeled it as West Main. It should be
[7:17] West Front Street. Um
[7:20] it drains toward West Front Street, but
[7:22] I've got to do a little bit of research
[7:23] with the
[7:24] road commissioner to
[7:27] figure out what happens with drainage
[7:28] down there at the street.
[7:31] >> So, you're not looking ever to make this
[7:35] past the town to take this road.
[7:36] >> Typical mobile home park that it doesn't
[7:38] happen. No.
[7:40] because of the right-of-way. That's
[7:41] one of the trade-offs that you make by
[7:43] doing a mobile home park is your right
[7:45] away is narrower. That's in order to
[7:47] make the place affordable and by virtue
[7:49] of that, most town ordinances are going
[7:52] to require a minimum 50-ft right away.
[7:57] » So, right now there are two
[7:59] existing, correct?
[8:01] >> Um
[8:02] >> Four.
[8:02] homes, right?
[8:03] >> are existing.
[8:04] >> Yeah. So, it's lot one. Well, actually
[8:07] it's lots one, two, three, and four are
[8:08] the existing ones. That's why we labeled
[8:10] them that way.
[8:11] So, lot five would be the first new one.
[8:14] >> So, the ones that actually show
[8:16] something there.
[8:17] >> Yeah. Yeah. I've kind of got a little
[8:19] bit of a cross-hatching around the kind
[8:20] of a black outline on each of those
[8:22] existing homes.
[8:24] >> And do those have cement pads
[8:26] >> I don't know the answer to that.
[8:28] >> There's a mixture.
[8:30] Uh I believe two of the four have cement
[8:32] pads.
[8:37] » And has it been long-term?
[8:38] Have they been there a long time?
[8:40] >> So, everybody that's been living there
[8:42] has lived there since before I acquired
[8:45] the property.
[8:46] Um the longest
[8:48] person I believe is over 20 years.
[8:52] People have stayed.
[8:54] >> And they're all rentals, then?
[8:55] >> They are all rentals, yes.
[8:58] >> In- including the homes, right? You As
[9:00] far as I understand, you you own the
[9:01] homes as well. So, this is a little
[9:02] unique scenario. A lot of mobile home
[9:04] parks, the tenant owns the home, rents
[9:07] the lot. In this scenario, he owns the
[9:09] home and the lot, which gives him
[9:11] flexibility if somebody should move out
[9:13] to replace that and bring in some bring
[9:16] in something newer.
[9:18] » Couple of questions. Go ahead.
[9:21] >> Um thanks for going over the drainage. I
[9:22] was looking at the topography and
[9:24] >> Yep.
[9:24] >> you know, they invested in you, so I was
[9:26] going to ask questions about the
[9:27] drainage, but you answered that
[9:28] question.
[9:29] >> Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah, sheet two, if
[9:30] you're not familiar with it, sheet two
[9:32] does show the contours, and as you can
[9:34] see from that, it is all draining toward
[9:36] the road. And that's why we've got that
[9:37] area reserved for storm water detention.
[9:40] Just kind of outline, we haven't done
[9:41] design work on it yet, and kind of
[9:43] looking a little bit for your feedback
[9:44] as to what your expectations might be on
[9:47] that.
[9:48] >> [clears throat]
[9:49] >> And then, you know, I was curious. Uh it
[9:51] sounds like you are going to talk to,
[9:53] you know,
[9:54] find out, and I'll ask
[9:56] our code enforcement person the same
[9:57] question. But, in regards to the width
[9:59] of the road, you're prepared to
[10:01] build that road wider than it exists
[10:03] now.
[10:03] >> Correct.
[10:04] >> And then, question I had
[10:06] um
[10:07] was on the depth of this T-turn or this
[10:09] >> Right.
[10:10] >> turn at the end, if it is deep enough.
[10:12] >> Yeah, it I should show throw some
[10:13] dimensions on there. Typically, I do
[10:15] those a minimum of 40 ft. It might even
[10:17] be 50 ft there. But, we can confirm that
[10:20] with the town to make sure that meets
[10:21] your requirements.
[10:22] >> Great. And then, I was just curious on
[10:24] lot six, there appears to be two
[10:26] structures, and I didn't know if those
[10:28] were just storage buildings right now.
[10:30] >> Yeah, there's one storage Well, at least
[10:31] on the at the date of this aerial plan,
[10:33] I don't know if that's still on there or
[10:34] not.
[10:35] >> Um yes, there's on lot six, I have it
[10:41] Lot six. Yeah, those both of those
[10:43] buildings will get all the way
[10:44] >> Okay. Yep.
[10:45] >> storage shed.
[10:46] >> Sure.
[10:46] >> Yeah.
[10:50] So,
[10:51] one of the first questions was about the
[10:53] buffer ring between
[10:55] these back two lots and community center
[10:59] property. What is there now?
[11:02] >> It's just it's wooded. Yeah.
[11:03] >> Wooded?
[11:04] >> Yep, it's Yep, there's woods there. I
[11:05] think a little bit It's hard to tell
[11:07] from the aerial imagery. I think a
[11:09] little bit of the woods goes is on the
[11:11] community center property, maybe 10 ft
[11:13] or so of the woods. You can kind of see
[11:15] a little bit of a an outline that I've
[11:17] done on the aerial plan, my guess
[11:19] estimate where the woods line is based
[11:21] on that the aerial imagery, and I think
[11:23] I had another later aerial imagery that
[11:25] the tree showed up a little bit better.
[11:27] So, I believe that that's So, the idea
[11:29] is to, you know, retain I don't think
[11:31] your ordinance has a stated buffer
[11:33] width. So, you know, something like a 20
[11:36] 25-ft buffer I think is what you
[11:38] >> I would say maximum buffer possible
[11:40] would remain.
[11:43] If I had to guess, there's probably
[11:44] about 50 ft of woods.
[11:47] Um I'd probably look at maybe just take
[11:49] 20 ft back.
[11:51] And then you have your remaining 30.
[11:53] >> Uh my my main question is, you know,
[11:56] what kind of
[11:57] how does the uh community center deal
[12:00] with access to the property?
[12:05] » Uh
[12:06] >> [snorts]
[12:06] >> I guess I'm not clear on your question.
[12:08] >> Well, the
[12:08] >> As far as trying to keep keep folks from
[12:10] the We want to be creating a place where
[12:12] people just come right through into the
[12:15] property at the end of this.
[12:17] Well, I I certainly don't think it wants
[12:19] to be a a shortcut for people that are
[12:21] walking to and from. Is that what you
[12:22] >> Things like that happen.
[12:23] >> Yeah.
[12:24] >> That's the reason I'm bringing this up.
[12:25] It's like
[12:26] >> Mhm.
[12:27] >> [clears throat]
[12:27] >> I'll say that and that already happens.
[12:29] Kids cut through
[12:30] >> there.
[12:30] >> Um because there's like a a trail.
[12:33] >> There is.
[12:33] >> And then I almost kind of wonder if
[12:35] there were two homes there, that might
[12:36] stop that actually.
[12:39] Um
[12:40] and it's not really a big deal. I
[12:41] personally don't mind if kids walk
[12:43] through there, but
[12:44] um some of the neighbors I don't
[12:45] [clears throat] think really like it cuz
[12:47] they're just whatever.
[12:48] >> Yeah.
[12:50] >> Um
[12:51] >> Does anybody know what the uh community
[12:53] center's policy or what has been done in
[12:56] the past there?
[12:59] Any idea?
[12:59] >> I Well, it's closed at a certain time,
[13:02] like any park in town. So, there is
[13:04] probably like a sunset piece for
[13:07] those facilities. It's interesting cuz
[13:09] the two structure or the the courts that
[13:12] are there and the skate park are both
[13:13] fenced, but there is no fencing to
[13:15] separate property. I just know
[13:18] everywhere else around the community
[13:19] center it's just like
[13:21] everyone sort of heads through
[13:24] any any, you know, any way they can. Um
[13:27] and I know we have another subdivision
[13:29] property that's sort of prevented that
[13:31] by
[13:33] changing the elevation and fencing.
[13:35] >> Okay.
[13:35] >> But it still exists in most other spots
[13:38] where
[13:38] >> Right. Is it a concern for you folks as
[13:41] far as
[13:42] mandating anything if
[13:44] >> I don't I don't know that I have a big concern unless there's something
[13:51] in place
[13:53] already, you know, where it's a has been
[13:55] a problem for the town and this you
[13:58] know, this would be the time to deal
[14:00] with that if it is.
[14:02] >> It could get a pet
[14:03] >> But if it's if it's working and
[14:05] everybody don't mind
[14:08] >> I was going to suggest
[14:08] >> I wouldn't have any
[14:10] >> Yeah. I'm going to suggest a pet bison
[14:12] might help deter.
[14:13] >> Yeah.
[14:14] >> Seems to be the trend these days. Yeah,
[14:15] you know, and it's interesting like I
[14:16] feel like the buffering question and
[14:18] some of those it's I almost feel like we
[14:20] ask it more and more because when these
[14:22] projects come up people you know, how
[14:24] can we not ask them about a buffer? And
[14:26] you know, not anything necessarily
[14:27] mandating but we just
[14:28] >> Right. Yeah.
[14:29] >> It creates the dialogue that's helpful.
[14:31] >> Right. In this case, I understand you
[14:33] want to buffer against other residences.
[14:35] I guess I'm not sure if there's quite as
[14:37] much push to have a buffer
[14:39] to to protect the community center. If
[14:41] anything it'd be more protecting the
[14:43] tenants in the park.
[14:44] >> too is the neighbors wouldn't be yeah.
[14:46] >> [snorts]
[14:51] » Anybody else have any questions?
[14:53] >> And I'll be honest, mainly the reason I
[14:54] asked about the homes was I
[14:57] kind of had heard that they were new. So
[14:59] I was just saying that again so it would
[15:01] repeat it. So you go home and read the
[15:02] Scott Hagan page.
[15:03] >> Mhm.
[15:04] >> People know exactly what's happening.
[15:06] >> Got you.
[15:06] >> You know, there's not some big mystery
[15:07] in what we're
[15:08] >> Right. Good. Thank you.
[15:09] >> to hear for your sake, yeah.
[15:13] » My only question is regarding the
[15:15] connection to the public water system. I
[15:16] see a letter of service from the sewer.
[15:19] Have you reached out talked Made them
[15:20] aware? work.
[15:21] >> have but I haven't heard back from them.
[15:22] I reached out to him and verbally
[15:24] they've got no problem with it. What
[15:25] he's telling me is that they want to see
[15:27] a I think right now I've got to double
[15:29] check my notes, but I think he said
[15:30] there are just two smaller services
[15:33] serving the park right now, which would
[15:34] make sense if there's only four homes.
[15:36] You can do those with pretty small
[15:37] lines.
[15:38] Uh he'd like to see something for a
[15:40] larger line coming in.
[15:42] Um probably from the street. Uh so
[15:44] whatever it might be of
[15:46] 3 4-in line, something of that size
[15:48] would probably suffice. We've got
[15:50] there's a mobile home park in
[15:51] Waterville, not one that we designed,
[15:53] but from the 1970s [snorts]
[15:54] has a 100-plus units on a 1 and 1/2-in
[15:58] line.
[15:59] So it kind of gives you a sense of the
[16:00] scale of, you know, probably a 2 3-in
[16:02] line can serve these eight properties
[16:04] without too much concern.
[16:06] >> And would you have to run that line
[16:08] all the way up and then
[16:09] >> We've got a
[16:11] Yeah, we've got to We've got to Again,
[16:12] we'll consult with the with the water
[16:14] department to see where exactly can we
[16:17] connect. There I'm not even sure which
[16:19] side the main is on. I suspect it's on
[16:21] the opposite side of the road because
[16:22] that's where the hydrant is at the
[16:24] entrance. There's a mobile There's a
[16:26] Um I don't remember the name of it.
[16:27] There's a motel right there across the
[16:30] road.
[16:31] Kays, okay. Yeah, right, that's it. Um
[16:34] you can see kind of on the the upper
[16:36] left corner of our plan, you'll see that
[16:38] little symbol that represents
[16:41] a hydrant.
[16:42] Um
[16:43] So that's So which which
[16:46] Uh he said it was just about adequate.
[16:48] Uh I think he said
[16:50] I think he told me mid-40s and looking
[16:53] at the elevation differences, we figured
[16:54] it would it would be adequate. Uh the
[16:56] question I raised with him was, "Okay,
[16:58] what about the community center?"
[17:00] Uh and apparently that's got
[17:02] marginal adequate, not great pressure,
[17:04] but enough to service. And that's
[17:07] roughly the same elevation as what the
[17:08] upper homes would be at.
[17:12] So not extreme pressure, but
[17:15] meets the meets the code.
[17:18] » Yeah, most uh
[17:21] private run at 230 and
[17:25] uh 50 anyway.
[17:26] >> Right. Yeah.
[17:27] >> 30 psi at the last place.
[17:30] >> Right.
[17:31] >> It's not great, but it's
[17:33] >> Right.
[17:33] >> It will work.
[17:34] >> Correct.
[17:41] Any other questions?
[17:46] Aaron, do you have anything?
[17:47] >> I don't, no.
[17:49] >> Everything looks good to you?
[17:51] >> I think so, yeah. We just wait on the
[17:52] final plans from uh Randy. We give him
[17:54] the letters to serve as they come in.
[17:57] So, as long as we have copies of that.
[18:00] » Very good, Will.
[18:02] Thank you for uh presenting this to us.
[18:05] It everything looks in order.
[18:07] We expect to see you at our next meeting
[18:09] or
[18:10] >> Um possibly, yeah. See if we can get
[18:13] things lined up at your
[18:15] >> meet once a month, correct? And you want
[18:16] materials a couple weeks in advance.
[18:18] >> business we have to take care of, we'll
[18:21] have a meeting.
[18:22] >> Okay, very well. Thank you very much.
[18:24] Appreciate it.
[18:24] >> Yeah, thank you.
[18:25] >> Thank you.
[18:30] » Okay, no items by public.
[18:35] No communications.
[18:38] Unfinished business, nothing. New
[18:40] business, nothing.
[18:43] No selectman here with us today, but we
[18:45] do have a new selectman
[18:48] since our last meeting.
[18:51] And uh I asked who the new chairman was.
[18:55] And it's Mr. Nolan. Is that correct?
[18:58] >> No.
[18:59] sir.
[19:00] >> Huh?
[19:00] >> No, he just voted.
[19:02] >> Nelson.
[19:02] Yeah.
[19:03] >> Oh.
[19:04] >> Nelson.
[19:06] So, what?
[19:08] >> He's down at the park. I just saw him.
[19:10] And that's our new selectman down there,
[19:13] >> Who's the new selectman?
[19:14] >> Uh Matt DuBois.
[19:16] >> Oh.
[19:16] >> He's the bank guy.
[19:17] >> All right.
[19:20] » And uh
[19:21] do you have anything for us?
[19:25] » I don't. No. Um
[19:29] just
[19:32] we got to get you guys form back in. We
[19:33] need to stop in. We sent the email.
[19:36] We need to get you guys to stop back in
[19:37] and take care of the mail.
[19:39] Reminds us.
[19:41] Um
[19:42] we are going to buy
[19:44] we've sent out some emails to you guys
[19:46] to get forwarded over for the training
[19:49] that's mandatory now by the end of the
[19:51] year.
[19:52] It started so it's 6 months from July
[19:54] 1st
[19:55] for the field board, planning board.
[19:58] Seven hours that need to be done
[20:00] um in order to be on the board now as
[20:02] they told me.
[20:04] Um so we're going to try and get I know
[20:06] it's kind of hard sometimes they're at
[20:07] night or they're up and they do them up
[20:09] at night Bangor or we've been to them
[20:11] over at uh
[20:12] what is it? Cross Insurance Center up
[20:14] there.
[20:15] Uh
[20:16] maybe they can do them the one
[20:18] Brewer but we found uh we can buy uh
[20:22] buy the training video online and it's
[20:24] good for
[20:25] X amount of days.
[20:27] So
[20:28] that's what we're going to try and do.
[20:30] Yeah, 30 days I think it is or 60 days
[20:32] or whenever we buy it and just set up a
[20:34] time and
[20:36] >> Will we do it
[20:38] together or just individually? How
[20:41] >> Yeah, yeah, we can do it individually. I
[20:42] think it's like 2 and 1/2 hours so
[20:43] individually during the week if you guys
[20:45] want to
[20:46] >> What is this for?
[20:47] >> try and you know pop in and we can set
[20:48] something up downstairs in the in the
[20:51] small
[20:51] >> Is that the question?
[20:53] >> Is there a frequency as in the training
[20:55] has to be repeated?
[20:57] >> I don't know. Uh I'll double check.
[21:01] >> I had it about 3 years ago.
[21:02] >> Yeah, I'm pretty sure that it I'm pretty
[21:05] positive it was. I can't remember off
[21:06] the top of head.
[21:08] Pretty sure it was. I think every I
[21:09] think everybody pretty much needs it.
[21:11] There's just
[21:11] >> Except to do it once.
[21:12] >> like one or two.
[21:13] >> I think Antoinette
[21:15] recently took it.
[21:16] >> Yes.
[21:17] >> How often do you have to do it?
[21:18] >> That's what we were discussing now. I I
[21:20] don't remember. I I can't remember off
[21:21] the top of my head. I'd be guessing
[21:23] again.
[21:24] >> Sounds like this is just need to have
[21:25] done it once.
[21:27] >> No, I think there is a frequency to it.
[21:29] >> Okay.
[21:30] >> Yeah.
[21:31] I think everybody except for one or two
[21:32] of you need it.
[21:34] So, I'm just saying.
[21:34] >> We can do an evening showing.
[21:36] Come in, eat some waffles.
[21:40] Aaron's like, I'll leave you the keys so
[21:42] you can come in.
[21:45] » You know, we can talk about it.
[21:47] May- well, what did your parents say?
[21:49] Maybe. Maybe. We'll see.
[21:51] >> We've We've banked, uh,
[21:53] you know, what? One or two months
[21:55] already.
[21:56] >> I know. I know. I was like, wow, how
[21:57] many meetings have I missed? And I was
[21:58] like, oh, wait a minute, it's just the
[21:59] one I couldn't be in. And And yeah.
[22:01] >> We have some valuable and disgusting
[22:03] items as a group. That's good.
[22:05] >> Yeah.
[22:07] We can invite the select board to our
[22:08] next meeting.
[22:08] >> Okay.
[22:11] Aaron, do you have anything?
[22:13] >> Nope.
[22:14] >> Antoinette?
[22:15] >> Anything?
[22:16] >> I'm all set.
[22:16] >> Yeah. I'm good. I was going to ask about
[22:18] the training cuz I thought I missed it.
[22:19] So, but
[22:22] » Like even Derek
[22:23] >> I was uh
[22:25] have a
[22:26] downtown machine where they put them in
[22:28] the back.
[22:29] The platform of the building, platform
[22:31] and the walkway with
[22:34] I thought they were going to stop the
[22:35] work
[22:36] in April. I thought they mentioned they
[22:39] were hoping to get started in April. And
[22:41] I don't see where they
[22:42] have any plans or anything on the
[22:44] bike path.
[22:45] >> He would know.
[22:47] Do you
[22:48] Anybody know have any more information
[22:49] about it?
[22:51] >> I don't know what their official plan
[22:52] is. For the other side you're talking
[22:53] about, the whitewater park?
[22:55] >> Yeah.
[22:55] >> I'm not entirely positive what's going
[22:58] on over there. I I'm pretty sure they
[22:59] they've awarded of
[23:00] but I don't know if they're
[23:01] >> They had a groundbreaking
[23:03] for the
[23:04] >> for the whitewater for the boardwalk.
[23:05] >> the boardwalk
[23:06] >> Boardwalk has started.
[23:07] >> Is that what you're talking about, the
[23:08] boardwalk?
[23:09] >> No, I'm talking about the
[23:10] >> So
[23:11] That That's on hold, the board. Yeah.
[23:13] >> There's some grant money, something,
[23:15] allocation issues. I'm not
[23:17] Could be speaking out of turn, but
[23:19] >> Yeah, that one isn't started cuz it's
[23:21] not funded fully or something.
[23:23] >> Yeah.
[23:24] >> There was some federal funding that's
[23:26] not available anymore.
[23:29] So
[23:30] that started cuz there's funding for
[23:31] that, and now there's federal funding
[23:33] coming for phase two of the boardwalk.
[23:36] Um and some of that has to do with the
[23:38] fact that they are using um
[23:42] prior to today, it's um
[23:44] a specific timber, like an engineered
[23:46] wood.
[23:47] That there's an incentive to use, so
[23:51] the boardwalk, both phase one and two,
[23:53] are going to be
[23:54] a very specific timber. Uh
[23:57] probably some sort of uh material that
[23:59] comes from the northeast.
[24:01] So they were actually able to get money
[24:02] from the Northern Border Regional
[24:03] Commission.
[24:04] >> I think some of the stuff that they
[24:05] developed at the University of Maine
[24:07] >> It's a little different, you know, I I
[24:08] was in a meeting today and people are
[24:10] talking about one of the problems with
[24:11] the a lot of this engineered wood is
[24:13] that uh
[24:14] in mass timber is the, you know,
[24:16] manufactured timber. Um
[24:18] you know, it comes from out west or it
[24:19] comes from down south, and a lot of it,
[24:21] even though they're doing a lot of the
[24:22] research at UMaine, some of the sources
[24:24] are limited uh in the northeast.
[24:27] Um so I'm kind of curious cuz there was
[24:28] just a big
[24:30] announcement of $20 million to the state
[24:33] of Maine, I think to UMaine, to do more
[24:35] you know, and I think, you know, one of
[24:37] the issues is these um
[24:40] these byproducts, and, you know, whether
[24:41] it's plywood or whether it's this
[24:43] engineered material, you know, a lot of
[24:45] it is being
[24:47] studied, developed at UMaine, but
[24:50] there's not a practical uh manufacturing
[24:52] of it in most cases yet.
[24:54] You know, so
[24:56] >> I'd like to see them start from making
[24:58] stuff out of him.
[25:00] >> Or bamboo.
[25:01] >> Yeah, I don't know bamboo. I saw
[25:04] something where one company is producing
[25:07] sheet goods to replace OSB
[25:11] or plywood basically using that product.
[25:16] They
[25:17] you know, instead of spending
[25:20] millions and millions over 5 years to
[25:22] build a big plant, they've got a system
[25:27] much less cost
[25:29] and get it going real quick and produce
[25:33] the same thing.
[25:36] But we got a lot of wood up here where
[25:37] we're at.
[25:38] >> Yeah, you know, there's not a market for
[25:40] white pine. There's not a you know,
[25:42] there's all this this byproduct
[25:44] associated with all sorts of wood. It's
[25:47] time to use it. If you look at the
[25:48] prices of white pine and some other
[25:50] wood is sort of just flatlined for
[25:53] quite a trajectory the cost.
[25:56] Good to have something.
[25:57] I do know tomorrow morning and I can
[25:59] look on my phone, there's like a a
[26:02] coffee and construction update about
[26:04] this project here.
[26:06] So I'm pretty sure it's it's downtown,
[26:08] but I can look. I just saw some
[26:09] notification about it. And again, you
[26:11] get to actually ask the contractors
[26:14] questions about what they're doing. I
[26:15] think a lot of the work was um
[26:18] you know, some demos, some removal and
[26:20] then there were some test pits dug.
[26:22] I haven't been down there in a little
[26:23] bit, but it looked like they had started
[26:25] and pulled some stuff out. Definitely
[26:28] were digging some holes and then I saw
[26:30] uh the water company down there, which I
[26:32] didn't know if that was associated with
[26:33] the project, but you remember what was
[26:35] there before.
[26:36] So I think it's a lot of old foundations
[26:38] that they just filled in and so it'll be
[26:40] interesting to see what they find when
[26:42] they get digging. So
[26:44] >> Yeah, the old river bank
[26:47] before the dam went in, it was buildings
[26:49] on both sides. I don't know. Yeah, old
[26:51] picture.
[26:51] >> [clears throat]
[26:54] » For the wheels and the whole thing.
[26:56] >> Police something.
[26:57] Treasures in there.
[27:00] >> Is that everything, Randy?
[27:01] >> Yeah.
[27:02] >> Andy,
[27:03] >> [laughter]
[27:03] >> what's that?
[27:05] >> I'm all set except for I saw something
[27:08] Clinton did sort of as a an emergency
[27:11] measure. They had
[27:13] the ag
[27:15] Was it the ag department that that shut
[27:18] down a guy's farm stand?
[27:22] >> Yeah.
[27:22] >> And because he was selling
[27:27] fresh
[27:28] milk of some sort.
[27:29] I
[27:30] So
[27:31] >> From what I saw I actually I do know I
[27:33] >> know more about it than me.
[27:34] >> I I've never I've not talked to anybody
[27:36] at Department of Ag. I just saw it on
[27:37] social media and I watched a couple of
[27:39] the videos that the person did. They
[27:41] were making some value-added farm
[27:43] products. I can't necessarily speak to
[27:45] the dairy. It sounded like maybe it was
[27:46] more baked goods and some other things
[27:48] and maybe some other things in a farm
[27:49] stand. Um
[27:51] but I think what happened and and the
[27:53] person said they were promoting it via
[27:55] social media and it was getting popular
[27:58] and so the state realized that these
[28:00] were unregulated, unlicensed products.
[28:03] So they came in and shut them down
[28:06] because of the food sovereignty laws of
[28:09] the state, if a municipality passes an
[28:12] ordinance that allows for
[28:15] um
[28:16] certain products or certain um
[28:19] I don't want I almost said loopholes and
[28:21] that's not the correct term, but it's if the municipality passes an ordinance
[28:24] that allows this,
[28:26] um
[28:27] then that type of thing is is, you know,
[28:29] the state will leave it alone and allow
[28:31] it. Um
[28:33] it'll be interesting. I think we could
[28:34] find out information
[28:36] from the town of Clinton because they
[28:38] are sort of sorting through it. I did
[28:40] watch another interview with the husband
[28:42] and wife where they were meeting, I
[28:44] believe, with the town's attorney and
[28:45] the town manager and I believe
[28:48] I think the town manager in Clinton
[28:50] lives here in Skowhegan. I think it's
[28:51] Dan who lives up on North Avenue. Yeah,
[28:53] Dan Swain. And so they were working
[28:56] through what the ordinance would be.
[28:58] Um and then I I kind of lost track of
[29:00] it, but if that town was to accept that
[29:02] ordinance, and it was interesting to
[29:04] hear the folks explain it because they
[29:06] came up with draft language, and then
[29:08] they were told by the town that their
[29:09] language was like too long and it didn't
[29:11] need to be that long. Um I know many
[29:14] other municipalities, a lot of smaller
[29:16] municipalities around the state have
[29:18] passed
[29:19] uh food sovereignty ordinances. Um
[29:22] so
[29:23] that's that's what I know.
[29:24] >> I think it's something that would be
[29:25] good for us to do.
[29:27] >> Do we we don't have uh food sovereignty
[29:29] here or do we need it?
[29:31] >> We have a We have a a state
[29:34] >> Yeah.
[29:35] >> thing, but
[29:36] the idea is
[29:38] if somebody decides to
[29:43] grow something on their land or raise
[29:46] some animals and
[29:48] sell some milk or
[29:49] >> For personal use I think it's okay.
[29:52] >> But
[29:53] you know, it's uh
[29:58] the whole
[30:02] I'm all for the freedom of people to be
[30:05] industrious
[30:06] with the land that they have.
[30:08] >> Mhm.
[30:09] >> A lot of people want to sell
[30:10] >> Huh?
[30:11] >> A lot of people want to sell it
[30:13] local grown
[30:14] >> And you know, and people know what
[30:16] they're getting. You know, they're not
[30:20] >> Might be safer than lettuce.
[30:22] >> It might be safer than a lot of things
[30:23] you're going to get in a Walmart or or
[30:26] you know
[30:27] >> ground beef recall
[30:29] at Walmart.
[30:31] >> So it it's interesting. I don't
[30:32] necessarily know the full scope of
[30:34] products they have there, but it also
[30:36] does seem like especially in Central
[30:38] Maine
[30:39] there is very much this trend of uh
[30:41] baked goods
[30:43] and uh the baked goods seem to be sold
[30:46] you know via relationships through
[30:48] social media. And they sort of have this
[30:50] local following which is very
[30:51] interesting. I I you know along the
[30:53] lines with the chairman saying I've
[30:55] always been sort of a supporter of the
[30:56] cottage industries and so I think we
[30:59] could take what Clinton is doing
[31:02] probably not have to reinvent the wheel
[31:03] let them do the work.
[31:06] They're clear I we could find out very
[31:08] quickly who their town attorney is or if
[31:11] they're working with the municipality or
[31:12] if it's
[31:13] with Cog.
[31:15] But yeah, I think it would be worth
[31:16] having a conversation. I I imagine once
[31:19] we start to have the conversation there
[31:20] will be people in town that will engage.
[31:24] You know probably on both sides and then
[31:26] there'll be some people I think that we
[31:27] could tap into.
[31:28] >> I think we have a significant farmers
[31:30] market over here that is pretty much
[31:32] doing that already.
[31:35] That
[31:36] >> Yeah.
[31:37] >> It's my understanding though that you
[31:38] know if you're going to sell baked goods
[31:39] you know any like the farmers at the
[31:41] market they have to have some sort of
[31:43] commercial kitchen license right?
[31:46] Um
[31:47] >> Yeah, we sold granola.
[31:49] >> Yep.
[31:50] >> We had to have a state
[31:51] >> Yep.
[31:52] >> It's not
[31:54] We had to have
[31:55] a couple sinks.
[31:57] Which we already had in place.
[32:00] >> Yeah.
[32:01] >> It's interesting how the towns people in
[32:04] Clinton rallied
[32:07] to get things squared away
[32:09] for the town meeting.
[32:12] That was That was I said they are
[32:18] » Anyway, that's something we could
[32:20] we can uh
[32:23] see what the mindset of uh
[32:27] the select board is concerning that.
[32:32] I'm all for things of that nature.
[32:35] Yeah, and there's some people we could
[32:36] reach out to both that are fully
[32:38] licensed, have a lot of experience, and
[32:41] then there are people that live in town
[32:42] that are very engaged in the food
[32:44] sovereignty sort of movement, and would
[32:46] have a lot of expertise, and and we
[32:49] could tap into those folks as well.
[32:52] >> I think Amber would be a good choice.
[32:57] I mean grains.
[33:00] » Hey.
[33:02] Is that good?
[33:04] Very good.
[33:05] >> [laughter]
[33:07] >> Okay, I'll entertain a motion to
[33:08] adjourn.
[33:09] >> So moved.
[33:11] >> Do we have a second?
[33:11] >> I'll run with that.
[33:12] >> You're not allowed.
[33:14] >> Oh, that's right.
[33:17] » [laughter]
[33:20] » So we got a second. All those in favor,
[33:22] please raise your hand.
[33:24] >> [laughter]
[33:25] >> We're adjourned.
[33:27] I was like, how much Aaron likes to
[33:29] remind everyone they have to do those
[33:30] types of things like swearing and see,
[33:32] you know.
[33:39] I would say the um