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» going to go ahead and get started.
>> All right.
» All right.
Thank you.
Welcome to the December 9th, 2025 city
council work.
>> We're starting now. Starting
slapping at the desk. Listen. Okay,
we're going to go ahead and get started.
Um, welcome to the December 9th, 2025
city council work session meeting. Our
meetings are public and you're welcome
to join us in person or by watching the
council's agenda page, Zoom, or YouTube.
We hope you'll continue to join us in
whichever manner you feel most
comfortable. This is a work session
meeting during which there's no public
comment. Please join us tonight at 7
p.m. for our formal meeting to share
your thoughts. I'm going to skip those
contact details. They're all on the
website. Um and we're going to move to
our first agenda item which is um
anformational update on the Utah
Renewable Communities uh plan. We've got
Michael Sanders, council policy analyst,
and Glade Sewards, um, senior energy and
climate program manager. Um, and Debbie
Lions, department director.
>> Okay. Thank you, council.
» Okay. Thank you, council.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> So, today the administration is going to
» So, today the administration is going to
provide an an update on the next steps
on the Utah Renewable Community Program.
The URC is a partnership of 19 Utah
cities and counties working to provide
residents and businesses with access to
net 100% clean energy by 2030. Salt Lake
City has supported this program since
2019 through resolutions and
contributions to development costs. The
next major step is a public service
commission meeting regarding the program
application on December 16th of this
year with a decision anticipated as
early as January of next year. If
approved, cities will have 90 days to
adopt a participation ordinance in the
program, and URC could begin collecting
revenue as soon as November of 2026.
If the city opts in, customers would be
automatically enrolled, but may opt out
at no cost during an initial window. URC
has a goal to keep average household
bill increases to $3 to $4 per month and
includes a bill credit for low lowincome
customers of up to $7. Today's briefing
isformational only. Following the PSC
action, the administration will return
with the proposed ordinance for council
consideration.
All right,
>> thanks for inviting me back. I think
» thanks for inviting me back. I think
this is week three. Um, good to see you.
Uh, I'm going to just give a very brief
uh reminder of what URC is and how Salt
Lake City got involved and uh what it
means for residents and then Glade uh
will take over and kind of talk about
the status and upcoming milestones and
next steps. So, next slide.
I think yeah that's the that's what
we're going to cover today. Next slide.
So URC is a coalition of uh 19 cities
and counties working together which Salt
Lake City is one of them. Um and we're
working with Rocky Mountain Power to
source clean electricity for our grid to
meet our goal of 100% net renewable
clean electricity for homes and
businesses.
Next slide.
So, working with Rocky Mountain Power,
we are working to acquire new resources
that feed into the grid that Rocky
Mountain Power will own and operate and
then the new resources will help power
our homes and businesses. That's
basically how it works. Um, the grid
will be owned by and operated by Rocky
Mountain Power and our residents will
continue to be customers of Rocky
Mountain Power. And that was um part of
this whole coalition that we built was
that we were working with with the
utility to bring more renewable
resources to our grid. So next slide.
So why are we doing this? Um working
with other communities, we can't we can
have a huge impact on the amount of
clean energy we can deploy uh in our
state and there's likely cost benefits
per kilowatt hour for larger projects.
So we can we can get a lot um and have a
bigger impact if we work together. The
other thing is um it gives our residents
choice. We know that most of our our
residents support clean energy and this
gives them the ability to know that
their their homes and lives are being
powered by clean energy. And uh Glade
will get more into this but uh residents
can opt out if they don't want to
participate. It's an it's a all-in
program and then residents can opt out.
Uh we know that these also support clean
energy uh jobs um especially in
construction and and particularly in
rural areas and it's the biggest impact
that we can have to avoid pollution.
Next slide.
So this program is the single largest
thing that we can do to meet our
renewable energy and our climate goals
and reduce pollution. And as was
mentioned, uh we've taken a series of
steps on joint resolutions since 2016 in
um in voicing our commitment to clean
energy and reducing pollution.
And so uh and a couple of weeks ago, we
talked about the climate forward Salt
Lake City plan and we're hoping to bring
that to you next summer for adoption.
And we're again we're looking to
reaffirm and recommmit to those goals.
And this, like I said, is the single
largest thing we can do to meet those
goals. Next slide.
Okay. [clears throat] Excuse me. Uh, I'm
going to just give you a little bit more
uh in the in the weeds detail about the
program and some upcoming milestones and
and uh kind of a long-term look at the
program. So, first I want to start with
Salt Lake City's involvement in the Utah
Renewable Communities Initiative. Salt
Lake City joined um the Community
Renewable Energy Agency, which is the B
uh board for URC, and we made the
required financial contributions to the
AY's budget, which was proportional to
our community's uh population and our
energy load. We signed a required
utility agreement that was one of about
15 uh elements that were required under
the public service commission's
rulemaking for the program. That was it.
We did that in time to file our program
application last January. And then
[clears throat] hopefully after the PSC
approves the program, possibly as early
as January of next year, uh the city
will have the final decision, the the
council will have the decision as to
whether to adopt the program ordinance
and opt our residents and businesses
into the program. Next slide, please.
So, I wanted to just cover what what
folks can uh anticipate when it comes to
their utility bills, how this would
work. As Debbie mentioned, uh URC
customers would remain Rocky Mountain
Power customers uh and would continue re
receiving reliable energy just as they
always have done. Um once the program
launches, you're automatically enrolled
in the program, assuming we've adopted
the program ordinance with the choice to
opt out. And there's kind of a tension
there between, you know, an individual
or business's desire to uh have clean
energy and support clean energy and then
the impacts to their bills. And each
person is going to be different in terms
of how they ultimately decide on that.
Um there's no cost to opt out initially
as envisioned by the program, but after
a cancellation period, then a fee would
begin to apply. and and that's just to
make sure that we have a stable program
participation rate while giving folks a
chance to uh experience how this would
impact their bill and still have the
option to to opt out. The URC board has
taken a position to design the program
and propose a program in such a way uh
that the average household's uh bill
impact would be no more than roughly uh
three to four dollars per month. That's
the goal. Uh and we have special
low-income provisions. First of all,
because it's the right thing to do, but
secondly, because it was required by
statute. Uh and we have uh maybe three
or four main uh items included there.
One is ongoing outreach and engagement
to make sure folks know what they're
participating in and what their options
are. But then importantly, a monthly
bill credit uh to cover the monthly
increase should a low-income household.
And uh and when I say low-inccome here,
we're talking about those who are uh
eligible for the Rocky Mountain Power
home electric lifeline program or or
plan rather or help. That's uh people
who are at at or below 150% of the
federal poverty level. They would have
the option to participate in the pro
program without having that monthly
increase covered by the other program
participants. and should they decide to
opt out um even after the um
cancellation period they would have no
termination fee. So we feel like that
that helps uh all customers have an
opportunity to participate. Uh next
slide please.
Okay. So I'm going to give a little bit
of the history here. I think we've
covered most of this. The enabling
legislation again was passed in 2019 to
set this up. Uh there was a net 100%
renewable uh resolution that was adopted
originally by 23 communities. That
requirement from the original act was uh
rescended I believe in 2024. Since then
we've had one community who was able to
join since that provision was gone. It
had a had a target date that no longer
applies. So we currently had and we had
some communities drop. So we have 19
total communities participating going
forward. All of those communities formed
an interlocal through a governance
agreement uh signed a utility agreement
uh with the company which which again
and with the public service commission
application. So uh that is done and we
are now to this throughout this past
year actually beginning about this time
last year and through June the program
application was submitted. Next slide
please. And I wanted to just dwell on
this uh 0.5 a little bit longer here.
There's actually kind of two main
elements of this program application.
One was a solicitation or request for
proposals for different types of bids,
you know, solar, wind, geothermal. Uh
that was issued uh approved by the PSC
last May and issued that same May. We
had 14 qualifying bids. We received by
July and that those bids have been going
through an evaluation process. Uh we're
just receiving some of the results on
that evaluation process. Uh at the same
time and in parallel, we've had this
program application that was filed with
the uh commission between January and
June of this past year. We've had
testimony going back and forth between
the various parties uh in the program
docket. And all of that's going to
culminate on in a hearing this December
16th, so next week. Uh next slide,
please.
So that brings us to the last couple
items on here. the program approval
which could come as early as January of
next year. And then that starts a 90-day
clock for councils and commissions in
the participating communities to uh
decide whether they want to adopt the
program ordinance. It's a common ordin
ordinance among all the communities
which would opt in their residents and
businesses uh with the option then to
opt out. Uh next slide please.
Uh and here I just wanted to quickly
give you a kind of a timeline. So the
top part of this slide is what the tail
end of the timeline you saw before, but
I wanted to give you a look at what we
can expect next year. So again uh and in
this case I wanted to point out I'm
using uh Rocky Mountain Powers estimated
dates that were included in their
program application which are I want to
point out subject to ch to change. So uh
we could have the program approval by as
early as uh maybe J mid to late January
next year. that 90-day window for the
councils and commissions of the
participating communities to opt in
their program. And then we have uh
several milestones that sort of flow
from that. And importantly, there would
be a kind of a period during which Rocky
Mountain Power gets their system up and
running, their their billing system. Uh
and then there would be a 60-day uh
noticing period. uh following which we
would have the commencement date of the
program when when rep bill impacts start
to be felt and that's importantly about
a year from now so tail end of November
probably at the earliest and then after
uh there would be a 100-day opt out
period after that with no cancellation
fee we have I wanted to indicate in our
pro in our testimony actually pushed for
a longer opt out period of six months to
to absolutely make certain that people
who participate uh are doing so because
they want to and that they have an opt
option to opt out of the program. That
is all of course subject to public
service commission approval. Next slide,
please.
Um so just key takeaways. Uh next week,
December 16th, there's actually two
hearings that day. A technical hearing
at 9:00 a.m. and then a public witness
hearing at 6 p.m. that evening. That's
kind of an opportunity for oral public
comment um for parties who are
interested. And then on the horizon
again, the public service commission
approval could come as early as January
starting that 90-day clock for program
ordinance approval. Uh and and approving
that ordinance again would opt opt
program opt us into the program. Uh
obligate us to reimburse Rocky Mountain
Power for two rounds of noticing to
customers and finally encourage us to
continue working with the other
communities to uh help spread the word
about the program. And that's I think
all I have today. Next slide just to
make sure. Oh, there's just a link here
if you have any questions or want to get
on our mailing list. So,
» okay,
council members, any questions?
» Thank you to Council Member Dugan for
always representing us so well on this
and going so deep. Like I was just
telling Darren like every time they
update us I'm like wow like there's so
like thank thank you for making sure
that our voice has been represented and
it's not just us in our city. I know
that you're you're stepping into places
where other cities don't have the
resourcing but may have the will. So
thank you and thank you to the staff for
doing it as well.
>> Thank you
» Thank you
>> council member Dugan.
» council member Dugan.
>> Yeah [snorts] thank you council Petro.
» Yeah [snorts] thank you council Petro.
Uh this has been a long haul. Uh and I
really appreciate the this
administration and sustainabilities uh
efforts here because they've
basically have a full-time FTE running
this uh 3 years, four or five years ago.
We thought we'd be done by 2022
and then 23, then 24. Then we realized
and I always knew that Rocky Mountain
Power was difficult to work with, but I
didn't realize it was this difficult.
But uh it's been a challenge and I
appreciate all the effort and the and
the way we've been able to uh pivot and
roll on different things. Uh I do want
to the the difficult part we have here
is the uh and I'm just going to mention
it the three to $4 per month. Now that
is all based on what how the public
service commission rules on the cost and
the value of the resources that we are
providing and how they rule on that and
how they rule on a few things
administrative costs that will impact
that cost to our residents. But that
dollar figure also
we wanted we did a survey
five years ago, four or five years ago
and that's where we came up with that
number. We will have to adjust that
depending on uh and that will also
depend on that will give us how much
energy we can actually uh resource
upfront and then resource over the time.
So we will be able to adjust that to fit
the needs of the residents and to fit
the needs of the program. uh and but we
won't know that number and we won't know
that full impact until after the public
service commission makes a ruling and
answers all the questions that we have
in front of them. We are not in
agreement with Rocky Mountain Power on a
number of these things. Uh so we have to
go to the public service commission to u
render a ver verdict. I guess I guess
it's like a judge render a verdict on on
this on this process. So, we're there.
On the low-income side,
only 3% of the the residents who are
eligible for this help program actually
use it. About 11% of our population is
eligible. Only 3% use it. So, we're
putting full por full court press on
this to get more people involved in it
so that they can take advantage of this.
How this impacts your blue sky credits.
You can continue using blue skies or you
can take it away and say, "I'm going to
submit my money. I'm going to pay
divert my money back to this program.
Those are all all out there. Um, but we
as a state need energy. We need it now.
And this is the quickest way to get
energy. Nukes not nuclear is not going
to come and small nuclear reactors are
not going to come until modular reactors
aren't going to come in for another in
my guesstimate
maybe I won't even be around this world
15 20 30 years. Who knows?
Hopefully I'm going to be around you.
Okay. Um, and geothermal is the same
thing. Could be a long time. So, this is
the first time that we'll have energy
right away with this program. December
16th, I encourage you if you want to be
a give two minutes. We hear two minutes
all the time. Public service uh support
would be welcomed. I'll be sitting there
pretty much all day long. So, come join
me at 6 o'clock and give your two
minutes and support the program. Thank
you, Mr. Chair.
>> Thank you, Council Member Dugan. Anyone
» Thank you, Council Member Dugan. Anyone
else?
I'm excited about this. I I very much
appreciate that people are going to be
able to to opt in and and I like that
about it. Um but that also is what makes
me a little bit nervous. Um making sure
that we have done all the math to make
sure that if fewer people end up opting
in or more people opt out than we
anticipated that we can still um make
the program a success. Um because I I do
think that just with
different things that are happening and
with the economy the way that it is,
people might be scrutinizing their bills
a little more. Um, and I I hope I'm
confident though that we can find a way
to make the program work. Um, and
appreciate that we can educate folks
more on using the um um assistance
that's available or relief that's
available.
Anyone else have anything else? Okay,
thank you so much. We'll go to our
second agenda item which is consolidated
fee schedule amendment for public lands.
>> So for us we've got um or with us we've
» So for us we've got um or with us we've
got Allison Roland, council policy
analyst, Kim Shel, public lands
director, Greg Evans, finance manager
who's joining us virtually I think or
maybe not. Okay. Yes.
Should we begin?
>> Yeah, go ahead and begin. I don't know
» Yeah, go ahead and begin. I don't know
where Greg is.
» Oh, he's here. Oh, good. Thanks.
>> Okay. [laughter]
» Okay. [laughter]
Um, so the Department of Public Lands
has proposed minor changes in the
consolidated fee schedule. This
ordinance would add the open counter
payment system to the programs listed as
exempt from charging credit card search
charges. credit card fees have not been
charged by any of the current payment
systems due to technical limitations on
these thirdparty payment providers. So,
I will turn it over to Kim to see if she
has additional things to say.
>> Thank you. Uh not not too much
» Thank you. Uh not not too much
additional to say. It's pretty
straightforward request. Um it's
actually a two-parter. We're renaming
the uh system
uh that is currently Max Galaxy in the
in the CFS to ActiveNet. They already
have an existing exemption. And then
we'd like to add or proposing to add
open counter. Um we have an estimated
net impact of the decision that that the
department is ready to absorb and we do
think this is a convenience for folks
that that use this system and it also re
um results in an economic benefit to the
city that we believe offsets the costs
that could come to the department.
Thanks
>> questions.
» questions.
Cool. Thank you so much.
Thanks, Greg. Glad you could join us.
Sorry you didn't get to talk. [laughter]
Uh, okay. Let's go to um agenda item
number three, which is uh bond capacity
and anticipated projects and needs.
At this or for this, we have
Oh, says Jill.
» [laughter]
» Come on down. Welcome back.
Thank you council for having me. Um
e
um so I'm going to run through um some
not all bond types but the bond types
that we have that that have outstanding
bonds associated with them and at the
end I'll talk a little bit about um
additional bonds that we could see um in
the future. So um can you go to the
first slide please?
That's pretty small. Can you can you all
see this? I'll walk through each one of
these with you. So, this is um geo bonds
and what I'm showing you here is the
expiration of the geo bond, what the
debt service payment is on that geo bond
and the maximum par amount as of
August of 2025. And the reason I say as
of August of 2025 is because it's based
on an interest rate that is projected
and that can change at any point in
time. So, the bond that's going to
expire in fiscal year 2028 has a debt
service payment right now of $1.2
million. And the maximum par amount if
you if that once that expires, you could
go back out and bond for an additional
15. Understand GEO bonds have to go
before the voters and then and approved
and then you can go back out. But what
this is saying is that if you did a $15
million bond, in theory, it wouldn't
raise the property tax the the property
taxes for residents at that point in
time. Does that make sense?
>> So, it's it's the impact to the
» So, it's it's the impact to the
taxpayer. It's not a reflection of our
total creditworthiness as a city.
>> Correct. It's the impact to the
» Correct. It's the impact to the
taxpayer. So on a geo bond, right?
>> As geo bonds expire, the taxpayer pays
» As geo bonds expire, the taxpayer pays
less. As we increase the geo bonds, the
taxpayer could potentially pay more.
This is showing that once the 22 the
fiscal year 2028 debt service falls off,
that 1.2 million will not be put on the
tax roles. So the taxpayer will pay less
in theory. And I always say in theory
because it depends on the values of
properties and it's a really
complicated. So I always say, you know,
in theory that's the way it's supposed
to work.
>> But but in
» But but in
hard numbers, the city will not be uh
paying $1.25 million a year on debt
services because that that's clear.
That's clear off the box.
>> That's correct. That debt service falls
» That's correct. That debt service falls
off the rolls, right?
>> That bond falls off the rolls.
» That bond falls off the rolls.
>> Falls off. Right.
» Falls off. Right.
>> Correct. Mhm. So, in 20 I and I hate to
» Correct. Mhm. So, in 20 I and I hate to
do this. I always do this every time you
present. I'm the worst.
>> No, you're fine. Go ahead.
» No, you're fine. Go ahead.
>> Is it possible to get another level of
» Is it possible to get another level of
analysis of this? Um, for instance, how
much would be coming off of the average
taxpayers's bill at that point?
>> So, if if we chose not to take out a $15
» So, if if we chose not to take out a $15
million bond and not to renew that,
>> what how much relief would they see?
» what how much relief would they see?
>> Yes, we can do that.
» Yes, we can do that.
>> We haven't done that, but we can
» We haven't done that, but we can
absolutely do that.
>> Okay. in 2030 is the next bond that will
» Okay. in 2030 is the next bond that will
be falling off. The debt service is
$1.659
million and the maximum par amount again
as of August when we computed it would
would be 20,645
in 2031. This is 6,47.
This is the public safety building and I
know that because I remember when we
placed the public safety building in
service and how much increased our geo
bond debt service. So you can see it's a
very large debt service payment and the
maximum par amount in 2031 could be
potentially be $79 million.
Um 2039 would be 956,900
in debt service par amount of 11,890.
2040
um 957900
11,905
2041 debt service payment of 1,22550
maximum par amount would be 15.
Um, yeah. So, this is geo bonds and the
debt service associated with those.
>> And typically geo bonds have the lowest
» And typically geo bonds have the lowest
interest rates.
>> Tax exempt bonds have the lowest
» Tax exempt bonds have the lowest
interest rates. It's not necessarily a
go. Could be a go. It could be a sales
tax bond. Tax exempt bonds have the
lowest rates.
>> Council member Young,
» Council member Young,
>> when I look at these numbers, um, I
» when I look at these numbers, um, I
guess I just have a question. So in
2028, we're saying the maximum amount is
15,615,000.
When I get to 2030, it increases. Now,
here's the question. [laughter]
Is it increasing
up to the 20,645,000
or is that in addition to the 15.6
million that's available in 2028? In
addition,
>> in addition,
» in addition,
>> so each one of these stand alone.
» so each one of these stand alone.
>> Stand alone. They're not
» Stand alone. They're not
>> They're not cumulative.
» They're not cumulative.
>> Perfect. Thank you.
» Perfect. Thank you.
>> Yep. They all stand alone. Um, that
» Yep. They all stand alone. Um, that
would be my question, Council Member
Petro. Um, do you want this for all of
these through 2041? Do you want them
from 2028 to 2031? What impact do you
want for the residents? feel like we
have reason to believe in economic
uncertainty for our people at least
through 28, but not trusting traditional
structures through 32 would be helpful
as well. Let's pray that I'm wrong about
that one. But yeah, I'd like it feels
like we're in a moment of economic
uncertainty that's self-inflicted. So,
if we could have projections through 32.
>> Okay, I can do that.
» Okay, I can do that.
>> Any other questions on GEO bonds?
» Any other questions on GEO bonds?
>> Council member Dugan.
» Council member Dugan.
Maybe I'll wait till the end of all the
bonds. I'll wait till the end. I'll come
back because I think Okay, I'll ask now.
So,
>> so we if we went out for 11 uh 15,000
» so we if we went out for 11 uh 15,000
115 million geo bond and we had three
tranches, one starting in 28 of worth 15
million, one starting 30 worth 20
million and one starting 31 worth $80
million, we would not see a increase.
If all things else considered, interest
rates and other things, we would not see
an increase in uh payments from the uh
property tax owners.
>> Correct.
» Correct.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> Yeah. Res um property tax um property
» Yeah. Res um property tax um property
tax. Yes. Property taxes in the in
theory would not increase,
>> right? Okay.
» right? Okay.
>> If you took them out at those tanches.
» If you took them out at those tanches.
>> If you took them out the tranches. Yeah.
» If you took them out the tranches. Yeah.
And that's what it would be. Okay.
>> Correct. You are correct, Council Member
» Correct. You are correct, Council Member
Petro.
>> And the type of bond is exclusive. It's
» And the type of bond is exclusive. It's
not like 15 million28 is available to a
revenue bond or a geo bond or an LBA
bond. It's only to the GEO bond.
Correct.
>> Yes. So what this is saying is because
» Yes. So what this is saying is because
this debt service is falling off, if you
chose to do a GO bond in 2028,
you could do it for a maximum par of
$15.6 million with no impact to property
taxes. But we couldn't just say, "Well,
there's 15 million in miscellaneous
bonding. Let's do a revenue bond
instead."
>> No, I've got I've got all of the all of
» No, I've got I've got all of the all of
the bonds and the outset standing debt
as we move forward with those.
>> Any other questions on GIO?
» Any other questions on GIO?
>> Next slide, please.
» Next slide, please.
So, this is LBA bonds. These are our
fire stations. Um, local building
authority bonds are usually more
expensive. They also come with more
restrictions, but we did our fire
stations for the LBA bonds. These will
expire in 2037 and 2038. The debt
service comes from either the general
fund or fire impact fees depending on
whether we have enough fire impact fees
to pay the debt service. If we don't,
then the general fund either subsidizes
or pays the entire amount. Usually what
we do is about every two years fire
impact fees pay this debt service and
then the general fund picks up the the
other year. So offsetting years.
Any questions on LBA?
Okay, next slide please.
This is sales tax bond. So,
this is um it says sales tax, but
remember that sales tax bonds could be
sales tax, use tax, or franchise tax.
So, we've incorporated all of those
taxes in order to meet our um our um
obligation. So, it in theory obligates
those funds, but the general fund is
actually the pay that what pays the debt
service on these. And this follows the
exact same rule, right? So general fund
pays the debt service of $357,000
on the fiscal year 2027 with a maximum
par amount of $4.4 million. Sales tax
bonds don't have to go before the
voters. You all make that decision. You
did one in 2022. Um I think it was $63
million at the time. Um and that one
obviously is the one probably you see in
2038 or beyond. Um and this follows the
exact same pattern. They all stand alone
and um the debt service payment and the
par amount is as of August 2025.
>> Mr. Chair, so what what are we paying
» Mr. Chair, so what what are we paying
for with sales tax bond?
>> Um you could pay for anything. So in the
» Um you could pay for anything. So in the
last one we did we paid for some parks.
We paid for some infrastructure. We paid
for some streets with a sales tax bond.
Anything that's infrastructure, you
could pay for. You can't do operations,
but you can do infrastructure with any
bond.
>> So, was our 2018 streets bond a sales
» So, was our 2018 streets bond a sales
tax bond?
>> It was a geo.
» It was a geo.
>> That that was a geo bond.
» That that was a geo bond.
>> Oh,
» Oh,
>> the 2022 The 2022 was a sales tax bond.
» the 2022 The 2022 was a sales tax bond.
And we did um parks, we did some
streets, we did cemetery
um and we did some IMS infrastructure as
well. And sales tax bonds have a
combination of both taxable and
taxexempt bonds as we were talking about
before. Um we do taxable bonds
specifically if we have issues where
we could see revenue coming into that
area. An example would be a park, right?
If I have a park and I'm doing events
and I'm making revenues, it's really
hard to calculate the threshold every
single year to meet the IRS regulations.
So, we go forward and just say we're
going to do a taxable bond. It takes the
guesswork out of that.
>> Council member, um, well, did you is
» Council member, um, well, did you is
what yours is a follow-up to what you
just said?
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
>> Okay. And then council. Can you mix? Can
» Okay. And then council. Can you mix? Can
you say, "Hey, we have streets and we're
going to use some geo bond and and sales
tax bonds to pay something off."
>> Yeah. Yeah, you could do however you
» Yeah. Yeah, you could do however you
wanted that combination to be. You could
do so. Yes.
>> And I think that was the combination in
» And I think that was the combination in
2018. There were the funding our future
dollars that were used for two different
types of streets projects, I believe.
So, that might [snorts] be why you were
thinking of both being involved. And we
kind of did the same thing with the
parks bond and the sales tax bond.
Combination of it is you know cemetery
which is under parks as well with sales
tax go mainly parks but we had parks
also in the sales tax bond. So we did a
combination there as well.
>> Chavez.
» Chavez.
>> Oh thank you Mr. Chair. Um I had two
» Oh thank you Mr. Chair. Um I had two
questions. One of them was just the debt
service ratio and if we've ever maxed it
out or if you can help me understand if
we're attempting to max that out at any
point. We have not ever maxed it out.
Our sales tax to debt service ratio is
very high. I can't give you the exact
amount. I could come up with that, but
it's very very high and we've never come
close to maxing it out.
>> I was just curious if the um SECCC would
» I was just curious if the um SECCC would
somehow affect that. But you're saying
those are separate because this is still
our bonding capacity is Salt Lake City
and remains unaffected by the SECCC.
>> Yeah, we run the ratios but our ratio is
» Yeah, we run the ratios but our ratio is
so
>> entertainment culture convention. Oh
» entertainment culture convention. Oh
yeah, ours ours is and ours is
completely separate from theirs. Right
>> for clarifying that what I wanted to
» for clarifying that what I wanted to
really understand. Second part of the
question was just trying to understand
the definition of new infrastructure.
For example, I think of um some of our
commitments to the Jordan River Trail
and some of the assets there and just
thinking about this as a lever um in the
future if we wanted to look at it.
>> Yes. So it would have to be
» Yes. So it would have to be
infrastructure. The infrastructure has
to last 20 years. Bonds are 20. Our
standard policy, not everyone's policy.
Salt Lake City standard policy is a
20-year bond. You could do a 10-year
bond. You could do a 20-year. You could
do a 30-year. Now, most assets aren't
going to last 30 years. So, I would
never recommend doing a 30-year bond
because you want your asset to at least
last as long as your bond, if not
outlast your bond because that would be
like, you know, borrowing on a credit
card to, right? It's that concept. So,
yes, as long as it's infrastructure,
permanent infrastructure that we can
capitalize, we can do that with Jordan
as well.
>> Any other questions on sales tax bonds?
» Any other questions on sales tax bonds?
>> Okay. No.
» Okay. No.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
Next slide, please.
So, if we did an impact fee bond, it
wouldn't be necessarily an impact fee
bond. It would probably be a revenue
bond, i.e. a sales tax bond, but I
wanted to show you how much the annual
average amount we receive in impact
fees, and this is a 5-year average, and
what the PAR amount could potentially be
for a streets bond, a parks bond, a
police bond, and obviously a fire bond.
We've talked about fire a little bit, as
in we did LBA for two fire stations, and
when we accumulate enough in the impact
fees, we pay the debt service for it.
You could also do this with police,
parks, and streets.
» Can I just chime in with one um just
caution on that? Just a worry I have
based on um discussions at the state
legislature that would affect our
ability to charge full impact fees um or
impact fees in general. Um once we issue
bonds, the state legislature tends to
kind of leave it alone. Um, but it
doesn't mean that we wouldn't be
required to supplant um with general
fund dollars. Um, so I guess I would
consider that maybe like a riskier
funding source to rely on. Um, sorry I
wasn't here in person, but when Mary
Beth mentioned the fire stations and
that fire station impact fees pay for
some years but not all years, I think
that that's a good way to think about
it. like impact fees are a plus and they
can absolutely offset um uh debt service
needs but maybe not um on a reliable
ongoing basis.
>> And if they changed if the legislature
» And if they changed if the legislature
changed those impact fees then the then
the burden would be on the general fund
to pay the debt service.
We could take out a bond for streets for
22 million using our impacts because our
impact fees would be able to pay off
that $22 million
>> in in 20 years
» in in 20 years
>> in 20 in whenever.
» in 20 in whenever.
>> Y
» Y
>> and that would be a 20-year bond.
» and that would be a 20-year bond.
>> Correct.
» Correct.
>> And and our
» And and our
impact uh fees would also we were
assuming that they're also going to go
up. This is this is 2025 impact fee
money. 1.8 million. This is an average
of five years
>> average of the last five
» average of the last five
>> of what we've received over the last
» of what we've received over the last
five years.
>> Okay. All right. But I think your point
» Okay. All right. But I think your point
of being cautious on that is because
that basically is using up all your
impacts for streets for this
one infrastructure bond if you wanted to
do it.
>> You are correct.
» Okay. Next slide please.
So I've done the exact same thing with
the fifth of the fifth cache. the fourth
of the fourth cash and class C cash. We
have in the past done a class C road
bond. We've um it it expired
three years ago, I believe. Um but this
is basically the same thing. We're
receiving $4 million maximum amount in
cash from class C roads and it would
create a par of 24690 and this is on a
10-year bond. So it's similar but note
class C is a little bit more stable than
impact fees in coming in. It comes from
the state and we have done a class C
bond. Now there's general fund always is
um always has a backing always backs all
of these bonds. So if we didn't get the
$4 million to pay the debt service for
your class C bond general fund would
have to come up with the funding in
order to pay that debt service.
>> I'm Mr. Chair. I'm sorry.
» I'm Mr. Chair. I'm sorry.
>> Yeah. Go ahead
» Yeah. Go ahead
>> on the but in this case we're we're
» on the but in this case we're we're
probably already using that $1.1 million
of the fifth the fifth.
>> We are
» We are
>> we're already we're already spending
» we're already we're already spending
that probably somewhere in the streets
department. I'm
>> you are send you're spending it in CIP.
» you are send you're spending it in CIP.
You're spending all three of these
funding sources in CIP currently.
>> Right. So to bond really we're we're
» Right. So to bond really we're we're
already want we already using this
money. So there's really no no reason to
do a bond because you have to pay
interest on that bond when we're already
just paying
>> except for it makes more of an impact,
» except for it makes more of an impact,
right? So if I could go out and do a $90
million bond on the fourth or the
fourth, right? You could do more sooner
instead of spreading it out
>> year over year over year over year.
» year over year over year over year.
>> It' be like a capital investment maybe
» It' be like a capital investment maybe
instead of ongoing maintenance kind of
work.
>> Okay. So it
» Okay. So it
>> but then we would have to but we would
» but then we would have to but we would
still have to find the ongoing
maintenance like I don't know which what
regular maintenance we wouldn't do to
free that up for a capital investment.
>> So there could be uses but okay
» So there could be uses but okay
>> correct
» correct
next slide. I don't think there is
another slide. I think that's it.
Um what Mary I think wasn't part of this
fifth of the fifth directed to the
sports entertainment convention and
culture district
>> because I know when the county enacted
» because I know when the county enacted
it
>> was they um
» was they um
>> they only let us keep a certain
» they only let us keep a certain
percentage.
>> It was let me and I'll confirm that make
» It was let me and I'll confirm that make
sure what that number is the accurate
number for that. Um, and then the other
one that I'll just bring to your
attention is you could, if you wanted
to, do an SAA bond. We have never done
an SAA bond in Salt Lake City, but you
could do an SAA bond for infrastructure
as well.
>> Special assessment. Special assessment
» Special assessment. Special assessment
area. It's a way to um leverage
additional property taxes paid by people
in the SAA to have an upfront
improvement. Actually, it's very similar
to the public infrastructure districts
funding tool that now developers can
use. So, it's just um like a a tax levy
on people within the SAA.
>> So,
» So,
>> that you mon that you monetize upfront a
» that you mon that you monetize upfront a
um a stream of payments. So essentially
it's a stream of revenue that you
monetize by having it up front.
>> But in that case would have to be that
» But in that case would have to be that
case you would have to be used in that
special SA district.
>> That's correct.
» That's correct.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> But there may be but there may be an
» But there may be but there may be an
area or a time when you say you know
what we really need an SAA bond for
this. Right. It could be street
improvements. It could be
>> other infrastructures that that are
» other infrastructures that that are
needed in a growing area that you could
potentially consider an SAA. We actually
um the city proposed it to install the
improvements along North Temple um all
of the sidewalk improvements and the
enhanced lighting and things like that.
The SAA was ultimately not approved by
the property owners. If you remember SAA
law requires
>> more than well it allows for 40% of the
» more than well it allows for 40% of the
property owners to protest and if 40% or
more protests the city is not allowed to
do an SAA. So the city ended up doing I
think we did a sales tax bond for the
North Temple one. Yeah.
>> Y
» Y
>> So, um it's a it's a funding tool that
» So, um it's a it's a funding tool that
comes with a little more strings. Um
yeah,
>> it does.
» it does.
[snorts]
>> Any other questions on bonds?
» Any other questions on bonds?
>> Just
along those same lines, I just wanted to
make the point on the geo bonds. Even
though we would have free freed up
capacity and could bond without raising
taxes, you would still have to go to the
voters
>> and they would have to approve that,
» and they would have to approve that,
right? So
>> the the other ones, the sales tax bonds,
» the the other ones, the sales tax bonds,
we we just approve that.
>> Correct.
» Correct.
>> The council does.
» The council does.
>> Yep.
» Yep.
>> And the the other bonds, the fifth, the
» And the the other bonds, the fifth, the
fifth, that's automatically comes from
us from the uh
>> Yeah. So what you would do is you do a
» Yeah. So what you would do is you do a
sales tax bond and but you would
obligate the funding from the fifth, the
fifth, the quarter, the quarter or the
class C.
>> Got you do a sales tax bond, but it's
» Got you do a sales tax bond, but it's
obligated from the funding would come
from the fifth, the fifth or the quarter
to quarter.
>> Correct. Just like just like the impact
» Correct. Just like just like the impact
fees. Yeah. It would be a sales revenue
bond is more generic than say sales tax
bond.
>> Okay. Okay.
» Any other questions?
>> I don't think so.
» I don't think so.
>> Okay. Thank you.
» Okay. Thank you.
>> Thank you. Jill, you might want to just
» Thank you. Jill, you might want to just
stay up here because I think the next
part of this is the space.
>> I've got great news. This is Tammy.
» I've got great news. This is Tammy.
>> Oh, that is exciting. Well, I just
» Oh, that is exciting. Well, I just
really want you at that table. So, but
okay.
Um, Tammy and Jorge, come on up.
[snorts]
>> Okay. Yeah, come on down just for fun.
» Okay.
» A motion.
>> Are we doing
» Are we doing
>> There was a part.
» There was a part.
>> Okay. If there's anything for open
» Okay. If there's anything for open
session.
>> Oh. Oh. Oh. Okay. I didn't know that
» Oh. Oh. Oh. Okay. I didn't know that
part was okay. Well, then I will look
for um a motion. We The request is to go
into close session for the purpose of
discussing strategy
um to purchase, exchange or lease real
property and attorney client matters.
So, I'll look for a motion. Oh, and then
but this is part of it. Is that
okay?
>> Mr. Mr. Chair, I move that we enter
» Mr. Mr. Chair, I move that we enter
close session for the purpose of a
strategy session to discuss the
purchase, exchange, or lease of real
property and to receive attorney client
advice.
>> Second.
» Second.
>> I have a motion from Council Member Mono
» I have a motion from Council Member Mono
and a second from Council Member Lopez
Chavez. We'll go ahead and roll call it.
Council member Dugan.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Lopez Chavez.
» Lopez Chavez.
>> I.
» I.
>> Um Mono,
» Um Mono,
>> I.
» I.
>> Young
» Young
>> I.
» I.
>> And I am an I as well. That is um 5 to
» And I am an I as well. That is um 5 to
uh zero with two council members absent.
We are in close session. If you're not
um here for this item specifically, if
you wouldn't mind just stepping out into
the hall while we have this discussion
real quick.
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» We're on agenda item number four, which
is a public safety plan update. And for
this we have Michael from our office and
then also Chief Red. So, uh, come on
down.
» And so, Michael, you've wanted to just
introduce this and then hand it over to
the chief. We'll do. Okay. So, thanks,
council. Also, in January of 2025, Mayor
Menhal released the public safety plan.
[snorts]
And now, Chief Red will provide us with
an update regarding progress made on the
plan and some other relevant public
safety initiatives.
» Well, thank you, Mr. Chair and Council.
It's good to be with all of you. uh and
and you know anytime I have an
opportunity I just want to say thank you
for the all the support the uh budget
increase this year and and just all of
the support that uh and the availability
that you give us. So thank you. Um yeah
we love to just kind of update you on
what's happening in the department
currently. Uh we we've recently
presented this to the federal delegation
into some and other other in other
meetings. So it'd be great to go to the
next slide and we'll just get started.
Uh these are kind of the the areas that
we're going to just quickly highlight.
Um high our high utilizer overview or
connect program crime patterns and
mitigation enforcement and staffing. Go
next slide.
You know upon arrival here at Salt Lake
City and even prior to to working here
when I was with the Department of Public
Safety, you know, one of the challenges
that we always face are are high
utilizers of the criminal justice and
social services system. And when we got
here as part of the public safety plan,
the mayor had uh pulled together a
policy group to address these high
utilizers. And we formed the connect
list and and the Salt Lake City Police
Department dedicated two full social
workers full-time to the 50 top
individuals in the in the uh community
that have encounters with Salt Lake City
Police Department. It could be an
arrest, a citation, it could just be a
call for service to help them. But the
50 people that were most contacted by
Salt Lake City, if you go to the next,
well, before I go to the next slide, you
can see some of the partners involved in
this collaboration. And we meet on a
regular basis uh under the mayor's
direction as a policy group with these
partners and then there's a lot of work
groups and and conversations that are
going on in between the main meetings.
But it's an amazing collaboration
uh that's occurring as we really work to
resolve the issues of these individuals
on the on the connect list. If you'll go
to the next slide,
you [clears throat] can see here uh on
the right are the 50 individuals. Their
names aren't there obviously for privacy
reasons, but you can see the the number
of encounters. So, you can see some of
these individuals have 37 warrants, uh
74 warrants, uh 14 jail bookings, 16
jail bookings in a one-year period. And
so, this is taking a lot of police
resources, fire resources, uh justice
court resources.
>> Go to just to put the flowers up.
» Go to just to put the flowers up.
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
>> Welcome, Greg. So,
» Welcome, Greg. So,
>> thank you so much.
So, um, we'll just keep going. So,
coming together to try to get to the
underlying issues on these individuals.
Most of these individuals are
misdemeanor, misdemeanor population,
trespassings, uh, you know, drug use,
uh, things that are mostly misdemeanors
and and, uh, they have mo most of them
have, if not all of them have serious
mental illness uh, and behavior
behavioral health issues and and
substance use issues. If you'll go to
the next slide.
Uh, one of the first things that we did
in in the population with this
population is is put together this one
page pager. You can look to the right of
the screen. That's the one pager that we
provided to our police officers uh to
say, "Hey, look, when you encounter
these individuals, you may you may be
taking them to jail and that may be
appropriate, but there are other things
that you can do as well. um you can
refer them to the mental health the
Huntsman crisis mental uh crisis center
you know if they're homeless we worked
with the road home and the state
homeless board and you see the QR code
on the right uh they've given Salt Lake
City some priority beds at the at the
weekend center so if people need a place
to go we can take them there and they
get stabilized there and then they get
moved to more more a better like one of
the resource centers
uh or if intoxication's a factor we we
can we don't have to necessarily arrest
them and take them to jail on a on a on
a misdemeanor, but we can take them to
to the VA or to the Huntsman Mental
Health Institute to detox. And so, we're
trying to give our officers tools and
how we help uh these individuals. Next
slide.
Um this just kind of this is a a top
this is kind of an overview of these top
50 individuals. This was put together by
Salt Lake County Criminal Justice
Services. Um, you can see most of the
interactions with these 50 individuals
occur in Salt Lake City, though they do
move around the valley. Uh, you can see
the types of crimes uh that we're
dealing with, as I mentioned earlier,
drugs, trespassing, homelessness
related, um, public order crimes.
Uh, if you go down, let's see. Well, if
you look to the upper right on the
chart, you can see starting in 2022 the
number of events that our officers were
having with these individuals. And you
can see from 2022, it's just escalated.
And it and it peaked um in in 2020,
early 2025, late 2024, early 2025. And
you can see the drop down. And the drop
down is because of the interventions
that we're, you know, we're now putting
in place. uh starting in April is when
we started working on the connect
program. So some of these individuals
are currently incarcerated. Some of them
we've been able to get into shelter uh
getting into get them into treatment. If
you go to the next slide,
you can just see how the number of
interactions starting in January
24 on the far left uh to April 25 when
they peaked. And then you can see after
the connect list, you can see the number
of citations, bookings have gone down,
which frees up capacity in the justice
court system. It frees up police and
fire resources. Um, you know, so the key
is if if if the individuals are
incarcerated or in jail, like we need to
then get to them to at the jail and get
them start getting getting them on a on
a getting getting them assessed on a
treatment plan and then ensuring that we
release them to a better environment,
but we're having some success with this
top 50. There are gaps in the system.
Um, we're we're identifying gaps in
disability services,
uh, gaps in and in reporting procedures
and in how we share information. The
justice court judges uh, have indicated
that they don't have all the information
on these individuals. They're focusing
maybe on the charge at hand and not
seeing the broader picture. So, we're
working on all of those things
currently. Next slide.
But you can see overall since we started
the connect program, uh, arrests for
these individuals are down 28.4%. So
that's good news.
Um, next slide.
Of the individuals not currently
incarcerated, 14 have not been or
arrested arrested or cited in the last
three months. So, so even even though
many of them have been put in jail and
are are hopefully getting the help there
that they need, many of them are not
being put in jail. And it's interesting
to talk to our director of behavioral
health, but she will she will tell the
story that one of these individuals
uh uh they the social worker had
mentioned, you're you're you're the
number one uh person on the connect
list. You have more involvements with
Salt Lake City Police than any other
person. and that it motivate motivated
that individual to start bringing those
interactions down. So just having good
communication and collaboration with
these individuals is is making a
difference. Um
anyway, next slide.
this uh these heat maps. Uh I I'll when
when we started uh like when I got here
to the Salt Lake City Police Department,
uh you know, I went out on the second
week to the Jordan River Trail and what
we saw happening on the Jordan River
Trail was just uh it was it was
unacceptable. I mean, we had children
walking through drug deals and through,
you know, needles and all kinds of
things going on. It was it was it had
gone past homelessness to to a very
criminogenic location.
And so we in with you know under the
direction of the mayor with her support
we closed the Jordan River Trail to do
some remediation but it gave the it gave
the the the the river a break. But you
can see on the far left the this is a
heat map of homeless related calls for
service. You can see on the left uh the
Jordan River and all the yellow and then
you can see the bright yellow spot to
the right of that. That's North Temple
and 800 West. And then you can see the
rest of the city and there's some red
and blue. These are homeless related
calls for service. Um
this is the the first one the the the
chart on the left March 20th through
April 2nd was that was the heat map for
March 20th through April 2nd. We started
utilizing these maps on a weekly basis
to put resources and locations of calls
for service. You can see how it shifted
um on August 11 through 17. in the
middle chart. This is at the at the peak
of summer prior uh just prior to um our
operation safe streets where we surged
some additional police resources into
the city with our partners from uh
Department of Natural Resources, DPS, uh
Unified came up and helped for a short
time and UTA. You can see how things had
shifted away from the Jordan River but
to other parts of the city. this
downtown ballpark and and uh Fairmont
Park. You can see all have yellow spots.
After our surge in operation uh in
November uh we move to the right chart
and you see November 10th through 16th.
You can see the heat map. We've cooled
the whole city down on homeless related
calls for service except for central
divisions got a little a little
persistent spot that we are aware of and
and trying to work on. I've seen the
most recent as of this week and we don't
have any yellow as of this week on the
chart. Now, some of that is driven by
cool cold weather, but also the March
20th uh also is a is a was a was prior
to kind of the warmup and and so we we
think we're making some progress, but
this is kind of how we track uh what's
happening on the on the streets with
homeless related calls. Okay, next
slide.
I just want to highlight our our crime
stats. Um, as of
I'm sorry, I'm looking for the date on
this. 128 it looks like. Is that right?
Yeah, 128. So, this was Yes, as of
yesterday. If you look at the um the bar
chart on the bottom right, you can see
that overall crime, the blue is property
crime, the red is is violent crime. You
can see overall we're to the lowest
level in, you know, over however many
years that is, eight years in the city.
So crime is down overall in the city um
to its lowest level in over eight years.
If you look at if you go up from there
and you look on the the the the bottom
right corner of the chart above the bar
chart, you see the 11.5%
at the very bottom right. That's overall
crime the past three years. So on a
three-year average, crime is down 11 and
a half% in the city. You can see it's
down. If you go up from there, property
crime is down 12. It's hard to see these
numbers on the screen. 12% and 0.4% for
violent crime. If you go up from there,
so we're doing we're doing good on the
crime reduction in the city. If you look
at the Thank you. If you look at the
one-year, which is to the left of the
three-year average, you see the 4.6%.
That's that's how much crime is down
overall in 2025. 4.6%.
Uh 5.5% for property crime. Violent
crime is up 1.2% this year and it's
driven uh primarily by uh rape, sexual
assault. Now, it's up significantly.
We're hoping that sexual assault and
rape aren't up. What we're hoping is
that more reporting is occurring. And we
just recently met with the Rape Recovery
Center and they've not seen a necess
they haven't necessar they told us they
haven't necessarily seen a surge in
clients. So, we're hoping that there is
more reporting going on. We do know
there's more reporting going on jail,
but we also know we're arresting at a
higher rate this year, and we think and
there's a lot of reporting that is
happening at the jail, which um is good.
The last thing I'll point out on this
chart is if you look over to the bar
chart on the bottom left, you'll see the
2025 bar. This is the week of December
1st through 7th. We had 111 total
reported crimes for that for the week of
December 1st through 2nd across the
city. In 2024,
we had this this week uh last year 211
and on a three-year average uh we it was
242 crimes. So crime is significantly
down at least this week uh the first
week of December this year. So we hope
that that uh that trend continues um you
know as we as we move along into 2026
any I we can go to the next slide we can
do question is if there's no questions
on this we can we can move forward and
go to the next slide
» you can see this
>> chief sorry to interrupt you we have one
» chief sorry to interrupt you we have one
question from
>> I thought you were grabbing your
» I thought you were grabbing your
>> sorry my thumb I just would kept missing
» sorry my thumb I just would kept missing
the button for whatever reason I just
wanted to point out something I've
noticed with reporting because a lot of
the district port neighbors are
reporting and they've increased those
practices is part of it is just the
customer service as aspect. The CRM that
PD is using is a lot more uh
consumer-based and friendly. I'm curious
if you've seen more activity that maybe
shows that trend um because I certainly
hear that there's more reporting, but
I'd love to see some analysis that shows
that. I'd love to to see that our
residents and neighbors are using this
for emergencies.
>> Yeah, I I will look into that. Um, we do
» Yeah, I I will look into that. Um, we do
know reporting is up this year. We had
that checked a few months ago and
reporting uh calling in is is definitely
up. So, uh, you know, and the message
that I could I will continue to send to
the community is you need to please
report. We we don't know what we don't
know. So, please report. If you're a
victim of a crime, please report and uh,
you know, and then we have to get good
at at responding in a timely manner and
all of those we're which we're
definitely working on. But yeah, we'll
look into that for you, council member.
Uh this is just showing the number of
arrests by year from 2018 to 2025. As
you can see, our arrest statistics are
up uh significantly this year uh as
they've been trending up for a number of
years. Um so our officers are working
hard and and just appreciate the good
work that they're doing out there. Um,
you know, we do have, uh, going back to
the connect, we do, you know, we we want
to re reduce the number of repeat
arrests and we want people getting, uh,
you know, having the consequences the
first time or getting the help the first
time. So, we'll continue to watch this
trend. But this just shows our officers
are out there working hard and and you
can see crime is coming down. Next
slide.
Uh, and this is citations. uh just
showing that uh increase in the number
of citations and you can see a
significant increase in in 2025 on
citations.
Next slide.
And this just shows uh camping and
panhandling uh enforcement and you can
see it's defin it's up in 2025 as well.
Next slide.
Now before I go to before I talk about
this point um while we talk about you
know crime statistics showing things
down in in most categories something
else that we're very focused on is also
the feeling of safety
and we're grappling with how we can make
people feel safe in the city. Uh one of
those things is to make sure that we're
we're close to the community, close to
the residents. We're hearing their
concerns. We're being responsive. So
we're looking at how we can consolidate
all of the information that's coming
into the department. We have some coming
into the cities my SLC apps, some comes
into department, some comes into 911,
and we're trying to figure out how to
make sure that's all flowing to one
central location in a timely manner so
we can be more responsive. But one of
the things that we're going to do in
2026 is look at what we're kind of
terming these micro neighborhood safety
collaborives. You know, every
neighborhood in the city has a little
different working with. I was just
talking to council member Young about
her area in a particular spot that's
having some challenges with and and
there's certain stakeholders that that
maybe aren't applicable to other parts
of the city. So, how we become more
responsive as a police department and
and and also all the other city
departments kind of working together
with the community. There's there's a
lot of good community members that want
to be involved and that have good
insight. We need to figure out how to
all come together. So, the feeling of
safety is something that we're also
going to work on as we continue bring
crime down. Now, this next uh slide, we
have the University of Texas San Antonio
that helps us helps us with policing
strategies and they've been with us
about three years. We just had them here
today. Um if you go back, sorry. Um, we
had them take our Salt Lake City data,
five years worth of data, and we said,
"Can you can you look at our drug crime,
our transient homeless related crimes
that we talked about earlier, and our
violent crime, and what what can you
tell us about the overlap, if any?" And
this is what they came back with. They
said there is a person and place-based
overlap between drugs, homelessness, and
violent crime in Salt Lake City. It's
probably not surprising, but the data is
is bearing this out. Um, the second
point which is important for all of us
to understand is homeless individuals
are at much higher risk for violent
victimization often by other homeless
individuals. This is why it's so
important that we we work on getting
people into shelter and into into better
situations. And then the third is drugs
play a significant role in violence on
the streets of Salt Lake City. So if you
go to the next slide, the the university
recommended three strategies. Number
one, we need to focus on repeat violent
places and we're working with them on
those on those strategies currently. We
need to ensure and this goes toward the
broader criminal justice system, but we
need to ensure there's a credible threat
of arrest and incarceration for drug
dealers, uh people who are victimizing
others. And then last uh treatment uh
needs to be considered for in
individuals who uh are pre previous
violent victims and offenders in
particular and and just ensuring that we
get them into better situations and get
them treated so they don't continue to
cycle in the system. So we're working on
all these strategies in a lot of
different ways. Next slide.
>> Can I ask a question?
» Can I ask a question?
>> Yes, council member Petro. Go ahead. So
» Yes, council member Petro. Go ahead. So
while I understand, thank you. While I
understand that the credible threat of
arrest and incarceration for things like
drug dealing are I I can understand the
deterrent nature for that. Um on
citations,
do we see anything credible that is
improving outcomes with those or are we
just getting people who have is it just
an accumulation of citations? Like I I I
accidentally almost forgot to pay a
parking citation and it's literally my
budget that I would have infected.
>> Like can you explain to me why the
» Like can you explain to me why the
citations are worth the energy that
we're putting into it?
>> Yeah. the way that I'll that I'll put it
» Yeah. the way that I'll that I'll put it
uh that I was always taught around
traffic citations and maybe we can
apply it across across this what you're
always seeking for
in anyone's behavior is is kind of like
this um voluntary compliance and if they
voluntarily comply that could be just a
verbal warning. Um, and if if they
voluntarily comply, great. But if they
don't volunt voluntarily comply or it's
egregious enough, then you need to like
put it put them into the court system or
give them a citation. If if that's not
working, then you escalate to to an
arrest. So, I think we're trying to find
I mean, we would love to have voluntary
compliance. I think this probably
signals that we have a lot of people in
and probably in in our public spaces
that are not following the rules, you
know, following the norms that we've
we've established in the community and
that's what is generating the citations.
Um the alternative is to arrest them if
they're not going to comply. So that's
why we're working with the repeat
offenders uh in on the connect list is
like trying to resolve the underlying
issues of these individuals
um so we don't have to write so many
citations or continually remind people.
Um so I think we number one would like
to seek voluntary compliance. If we
can't get that then we go to the
citation. If we can't get that then
maybe they need to be um incapacitated
through arrest for a time as we continue
to help these individuals. So it
>> I just hate paying our capable and
» I just hate paying our capable and
skilled officers to do cisphus-l like
tasks when the rest of the system around
them has failed and what they're
actually enc encountering is a human
condition crisis.
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
>> And people are not complying because
» And people are not complying because
they are exhausted because they have
been pushed from one place that they're
not allowed to be to the next place that
they're not allowed to be and the
resources aren't coming. And we're
talking about involuntary commitment for
as you know the response to poverty at
this point. And and you all as one of
the only institutional interactions that
they might get are being requested to
interact with them in a way that doesn't
build the trust with them so that when
they are assaulted they will come to
you. That doesn't build the rapport with
them that you need when someone does
something in the community and you need
someone to trust that you're there for
their best interest. And so like I when
we're talking about the drug dealers,
when we're talking about the violence,
yes, let's go. But when we're talking
about someone who is exhausted and has
feet that are wet and cold and has
nowhere viable to go from the spot that
that we're invicting them from
>> and we give them a citation for having a
» and we give them a citation for having a
temporary roof over their head, I fail
to see how that's a great fiduciary
investment in that officer, in that
officer's skill, in that officer's
moment. And I fail to see how it gets us
to our goal and certainly my goal which
is that public spaces are well shared
between every constituent in society and
sheltered and sheltered alike. Um and I
don't know that there's an answer that
you can provide because the systemic
failure is not you. You are the one that
shows up. The systemic failure is every
other level of government that has been
derelictked in its duty and played
culture war with this nonsense since you
know essentially we were in elementary
school. No, I thank you for the feedback
and we'll we'll definitely consider it.
I think it's it's it's challenging
because we there has to be
accountability in the system and there
also needs to be support for these
individuals and I think we're trying to
strike that balance between
accountability.
Not all of those citations are are
camping citations, you know, or there
there's a lot of trespassing citations
because people don't want them on their
properties and and so that that there is
a lot of that on on trespassing.
But um you know, I think we just need to
and I and I say this all the time to our
people. Uh we need to police with our
values in mind. So, uh, as we hold
people accountable, we need to do it in
a way that is respectful and empathetic
to the situations that people are in and
be mindful of that while also upholding
the law, which we're asked to do. And
it's it's tough. And that's why we're
working with our connect list to try to
find a better model to get people the
help that they need. Um, and also set an
expectation that you you do need to
follow the rules of society and even
though you have challenges. Could we get
that to the other levels of government
who should follow the rules of their
oath to the constitution to do their
statutory responsibility? That would be
spectacular.
>> Well, I we're committed at Salt Lake PD
» Well, I we're committed at Salt Lake PD
to doing it the best that we can.
>> Well, thank you.
» Well, thank you.
>> I am thankful to you all. I am not that
» I am thankful to you all. I am not that
is not an indictment on you or you all,
but I don't I don't like asking our
officers to participate in activities
>> where we [clears throat] get no closer
» where we [clears throat] get no closer
to a resolution and it just uses their
time, energy, and resources.
>> That's understood. Thank you,
» That's understood. Thank you,
>> Council Member Dugan. Oh, council member
» Council Member Dugan. Oh, council member
Young's first.
>> Oh, sorry, Council Member Young, then
» Oh, sorry, Council Member Young, then
Council Member Dugan. Sorry.
>> Thank you. Um, so I appreciate the
» Thank you. Um, so I appreciate the
concerns related to like the fine
structure. I'll also say that at least
in what I've witnessed um in being on
ride alongs and even in just like my
day-to-day interactions across the city
um that I see our Salt Lake City police
officers um trying everything in their
power before leaning into that
particular citation. Um, and I do want
to make sure that we have a balance to
your point of like recognizing the
humanity and meeting people where they
are and fostering those relationships,
but also empowering, you know, our our
safety officials to be able to have, you
know, the tools in their tool belt to be
able to address folks who, you know, may
be like, what are you going to do about
it, you know? And so, like, I think
that's that's at least the balance and
and I'm sure it's something we can
continue to, you know, work towards. Um,
but I do want to make sure that that
that piece is available. And I have
personally witnessed our officers, you
know, don't lead with that. Um, in any
of my experiences or interactions um,
and if anything, it's it's truly like
one of the more last resort type
components um, in that. A couple of
other pieces. Um, I will also say that I
um cuz our public doesn't always get to
see like all of the individual responses
and communication and I just have to
thank you. Um you have been incredible.
Not just responding to individuals um
who are elected officials, but you know
responding to individual residents who
have had concerns or expressed um you
know a lack of safety within the city
and that that comes from from you. Um
and that you are oftent times you know
the first point of outreach um related
to some of those issues, questions and
concerns. Um, and I know that they said
this to us when the mayor brought you
forward for this position. Um, but it's
just with full assurance that you truly
walk the walk. Um, related to making
sure that you are demonstrating what the
expectation is in terms of community
building and creating a safe environment
in the city and that we see that playing
out across the department. And I just
want to make sure that you're thanked
for those efforts. Um I know we have a
ways to go related to continuing to
address that. Um but it is not lost on
me that um you have not only taken this
on as as your day job but your night
job, your weekend job and your holiday
job as well. Um in terms of your
willingness to always be available to
respond to needs as they emerge across
the city. when we look at the overall
safety and the issues, I guess my one
request to you would be I appreciate the
highlight of the progress we've made in
the data and what that looks like. Um,
as we start to move into the budgetary
space, it's helpful for us to know like
what the what the key, you know, needs
are related to being able to address
where we've seen some of those gaps in
the system that you identified as part
of the experience with the connect list
and justice court. Knowing about where
those issues are, whether they're policy
or resource-based, I think is helpful
for this council to be able to then, you
know, consider that as part of the
prioritization moving forward. And I
just want to make sure that the door is
open as we move forward in this process
and in this space. Um, last but not
least, I know that you have along with
the mayor have spent time um, with the
legislature in terms of also being able
to address some of the issues we saw um,
you know, right right on the heels of
when you were um, kind of brought into
the community of Salt Lake City. And I'm
very grateful. I hear nothing but praise
and appreciation for um the leadership
that you show and the partnership that
you both show related to being able to
achieve what everyone wants which is a
safe capital city and experience. Um so
thank you for representing us so well. I
appreciate it.
>> Thank you council member
» Thank you council member
>> council member Dugan.
» council member Dugan.
>> Thank you chief uh appreciate the
» Thank you chief uh appreciate the
presentation. My question is on the uh
slide of the Texas uh University of
Texas findings.
>> Yes. and the homeless individuals are
» Yes. and the homeless individuals are
much more high risk of for violent
victimization often by other homeless
individuals. Do we are we seeing that
around the uh shelters or just out on
the streets and are we seeing it in the
shelters? Cuz my concern is that you
know our shelters and the homeless
population and the resources are not in
one location. But then if you were to
expand this to a large campus, would you
be seeing more of that uh violent
interaction because they're all together
in one space or or how would that how
does that play out? And [clears throat]
yeah, I mean those are some of the
concerns and and yes, we will see um we
will see around the shelters uh these
calls for service sometimes in the
shelters and we have homeless resource
center squads that work closely with the
shelters and and we're we're in constant
communication with the road home with
the Gail Miller Center with you know the
King Center. So we yes um we we find
them in the hot spots that you saw on
the on the on the heat map today and and
this is really why uh it's so critical
that we don't have encampments form
because as soon as the encampments form
the predators show up and when the
predators show up the victimization
occurs but we do have to set
expectations in these shelters. We also
have to be mindful that people are
battling addiction criminogenic
behaviors. I mean, I saw this when I was
working in the prison, right? You put
them all in the prison and and it's
challenging. So, the way that we execute
in our shelters, uh, and and how we help
individuals and hold it's always that
balance with of of accountability,
setting expectations, and then providing
the supports that they need to overcome
like, you know, a lot of these
individuals that that you encountered in
the prison. I mean, they grew up in
terrible situations and probably never
had a chance from day one. They have to
learn new behaviors. And so I think it's
incumbent upon the system, all of us to
hold people accountable, set
expectations, but then also, you know,
support them and give them the tools
that they need. It might be overcoming
addiction. It might be overcoming some
mental health challenges. It might be
overcoming their criminogenic behaviors.
And so we just all have to be
coordinated. And that's what's so
awesome about the connect is that's what
we're trying to do is we're trying to
get to the underlying issues so that we
don't keep having the victimization.
>> Okay. Thank you. Because I'm just I'm
» Okay. Thank you. Because I'm just I'm
just looking at the design. I have one
other question. The design of the you
know a campus with it congregate care
and congregate care. You know that the
safety of an individual sitting on a c
you know in a bunk room isn't safe until
they don't sleep. But you know it's also
less expensive than congre with a room
in a lock. But it's also safe for them
because they can also actually sleep and
get their circadian rhythms back in
their mind probably set. So I'm just I'm
I asked that question because I'm trying
to
make sure that we're not creating a
bigger problem by one
>> with a wrong solution
» with a wrong solution
problem. Yeah. I mean those are
definitely concerns that we should all
be thinking about
>> that. You know, it was interesting back
» that. You know, it was interesting back
when the road home was in downtown that,
you know, we were directed at the time
from at the Department of Public Safety
to go do some policing inside the
shelter and there were concerns that,
well, this is going to keep people from
coming to the shelters. So, we actually
did listening session with the people
that were using the shelter. We had a
community meeting there and we said,
"What do you think about this?" And they
said, "We want you there. We're getting
our stuff stolen. we're getting, you
know, we're trying to overcome our
addictions and drugs are available
inside. So, you know, setting
expectations and accountability help
these individuals um succeed as well.
So, accountability is compassion at the
end of the day. It's just how it's
delivered and it has to be delivered in
the right way. We have to care for these
people
>> as we do this. Thank you. I just have
» as we do this. Thank you. I just have
one more question, Mr. Sure. And that's
uh kind of switching gears here in
subject is we've had a lot of uh emails
and calls about the license plate
readers. Can you give us an update on
that? And we had a great uh staff report
probably from you through Michael and
that was wonderful to to read through
that. But could you kind of like a walk
us through license plate readers and uh
what we can do, what we can't do and
who's involved.
>> Yeah, absolutely. So the we are working
» Yeah, absolutely. So the we are working
on developing our real-time crime
center. These are these centers have
have come up in cities all over the
country. San Francisco has a an active
real-time crime center. Las Vegas,
Seattle, um Phoenix, Mesa, Arizona. So
there's, I think, some misconceptions
about what a real-time crime center is.
And and it is the utilization of of
cameras and license plate readers. Um,
and there will also be drones that can
be deployed um, in in response to calls
for service. I think the most important
point to to to a couple important
points. One, the city's had license
plate readers for a while. The police
department has utilized them. They're
only they're they're governed by state
statute. State statute governs when a
license plate reader could be accessed.
There has to be a a a crime. There has
to be a reasonable suspicion of a crime
and these things are tracked and
audited. So, I think those are important
points. Um, our real-time crime center
uh is is going to be utilized for active
priority one and priority 2 calls. And I
have a I have a sheet here, but uh and I
can and I can just kind of talk about a
robbery call as an example. Okay, so a
robbery call comes in, the real-time
crime center here hears the call and
begins accessing the camera in the area
of the robbery. Um, we're not doing
this. We're we're testing this, but
we're not doing it yet. Drones can
deploy to the area. I have an officer to
get an overview of what's happening in
the area. Officers are updated with the
information as they're responding. This
can reduce safet this this can improve
the safety of the officers and the
community because they're having they
have real-time information as they're
approaching. Um, if if a car is
identified or a plate is identified as
the as as it leaves the area, it could
be it could be it could be followed by
the drone as officers are getting to the
area. A license plate reader may pick it
up in in the city. I think that and then
it just it's just we have access to all
of these things now. It's just done more
quickly and in real time so that we can
resolve the the issue more quickly.
Drones can be used and they have been
used when there was a fire up in the
hills. We can get a drone there before
officers and fire get there to get an
overview or we need to protect people.
We can stop, you know, kidnapping
suspects and things like that. The key
is it's used only activated on priority
one or two calls. It can be utilized to
assist when a crime has already
occurred. we can go back and look if a
murder occurs and we didn't resolve it
right there on the spot. We didn't get
the person, we can utilize some some of
that which we already do and have been
doing for years. Uh and then go ahead,
council member.
>> Well, I was just going to say what a
» Well, I was just going to say what a
crime what what what it is what a crime
realtime crime center is not. I think
it's important to understand that the
cameras are not constantly monitored.
The LPR are not constantly monitored.
Um,
there's no ability to integrate facial
recognition into our real-time crime
center. There's not going to be any
facial recognition. That's also governed
by state statute and it's very limited
in its use in Utah. It's and the
Department of Public Safety oversees
facial recognition in Utah. Um,
and drones are not going to be just
flying around the city patrolling and
going over property. There's there's
there's there's tracking of the drones,
camera angles, and that's all publicly
available on on our website when we're
we're done setting this thing up. So, um
I hope that's helpful. I don't know if
there's additional questions.
>> Yeah, Lopez Chavez, go ahead.
» Yeah, Lopez Chavez, go ahead.
>> Thank you. Um I just wanted to reiterate
» Thank you. Um I just wanted to reiterate
the concerns I've been receiving and uh
I wanted to clarify. So, I'm going to
ask a few different questions, but can
you clarify if Salt Lake City is in a
contract today with Flock Technologies?
>> No, we're not.
» No, we're not.
>> Thank you for clarifying. Can you
» Thank you for clarifying. Can you
>> We don't have any plans to to do
» We don't have any plans to to do
anything with Flock right now.
>> We're we're with the We We don't use
» We're we're with the We We don't use
their LPRs.
>> Yeah. Thank you for clarifying the
» Yeah. Thank you for clarifying the
record. Can you help me understand if we
currently contract or provide any of our
data repository with federal agencies
such as ICE Enforcement?
>> We do not uh share with ICE. Um we can
» We do not uh share with ICE. Um we can
share with other federal agencies like
the DEA or uh the FBI, but we're not
sharing with ICE right now. Thank you
for clarifying that, Chief. And then can
you help me understand uh part of this
is a cops grant. It's a federal grant.
Um I know that we already have different
license plate readers. Can you help me
understand what made us want to position
these ones specifically in the Northwest
entry? Um specifically, there was some
concerns about the geography possibility
of over policing in these areas. Can you
help me understand the locations and how
that was decided? Yeah, I mean there
locations that uh where where cars come
in and out of the city. So that's that's
one of the reasons, you know, when a
crime occurs in Salt Lake City, one of
the first things people typically do is
get out of the city. And so that's what
how some of the location is determined.
Um that that's you know, we we try to
set them up so that we have a good uh
the ability to, you know, to track
people coming in and out of the city or
or or whatever. I mean that's you know
we try to get abroad across the whole
city
>> and you know a lot of the concerns have
» and you know a lot of the concerns have
come from mass surveillance and what
does that look like for municipalities
to start to engage in surveillance
policies. I know that Salt Lake City and
just looking at our policies
surveillance is something that we are
still new to actually
>> um and even though it's defined by state
» um and even though it's defined by state
code I'm really interested in having a
conversation about providing those
safeguards if we're going to keep
installing and growing this type of
infrastructure. I think a lot of the
concerns that I'm hearing from community
members is not only is there immense
distrust uh still of certain departments
and practices and surveillance, but
making sure that they still have
personal liberties and rights to to
privacy. And I'd love to have that
discussion both with you and with the
community members. um a lot of them
today are they they see this as
oversight and over governance and I'd
love to hear from your perspective how
your department is looking to both
respect those private policies um and
conduct this in a way where we may not
need an officer but we are using a
technology as to not deter the use of an
officer.
>> Yeah. Well, I think when when we we had
» Yeah. Well, I think when when we we had
our budget uh med [clears throat] uh
session and and you all gave us the um
charge to go and work with the racial
equity policing commission uh on privacy
civil liberty concerns and so we have
been we have met with them. I've
referenced uh I mean we've talked with
them about that. But we've what I told
the the commission is that we're working
with the ACLU and we've been work we've
had we've had a couple meetings uh at
least two meetings with the ACLU since
July
and uh and we do we've we we're starting
to kind of I have a I have a one page
here where we're trying to start to
articulate what the real-time crime
center is, how it is to be used, how it
isn't to be used. Again, a lot of these
technologies we've had in the city for a
number of years. Um, we do need, but I
agree. We need to make sure the city,
the community feels comfortable. They
have some some visibility into what
we're doing. They need to be they need
to have confidence that we're utilizing
the technology properly. Um, I've had
experience at the Department of Public
Safety um
dealing with the facial recognition when
that was a big issue a few years ago and
I think we got it into a good place
where people are confident how it's used
and that it's used properly. So, I would
be open to um meeting with any community
members who have concerns, uh sitting
down with them, hearing them out, and
and making sure we have those privac
privacy civil liberties and people are
comfortable with what we're doing. I
will say, um other cities that have been
utilizing their their center have been
have been solving crime, you know, and
and doing it in a way that I think is um
that I think our our city would be I
think our residents would be good with.
We need to we need to make sure everyone
feels comfortable with that. And so I'd
love to get in the rooms with those
people.
>> Yeah, I I love this idea of alternative
» Yeah, I I love this idea of alternative
policing and I think technology can help
and I think it it can also create more
uh contradictions within those policies
and so clearly defining that is good. My
final question was just making sure that
the vendor that we're working with can't
sell our data to Flock or any other
entity can't sell our data to other um
agencies. Uh this is still a matter of
privacy and we see a lot of overreach in
governance. I I wanted to understand
would SLCPD own that data um or would
this be something that could be
extrapolated and used to harm residents?
>> No, we've been working on that and it
» No, we've been working on that and it
will be it will be our data we control
the the distribution of that data.
>> Okay. Um we still have questions from
» Okay. Um we still have questions from
Council Member Young and Council Member
Petro. Um I have a quick question and
we're about 10 minutes over so please um
keep that in mind when you're asking
your questions.
>> Well there uh Chief Redd so last week
» Well there uh Chief Redd so last week
there was an Amber Alert. These types of
systems and solutions help us to find
kids in those like very dangerous
situations faster um hopefully leading
to a more positive resolution.
>> Yeah. So if an Amber Alert were to go
» Yeah. So if an Amber Alert were to go
out and there's any nexus to Salt Lake
City potentially, we would we would
access the information to see if that
particular license plate had hit one of
our our readers. Yes, we would do that
and we have been doing that actually.
>> Thank you so much,
» Thank you so much,
>> Council Member Pedro.
» Council Member Pedro.
>> Um I agree that technology and enhancing
» Um I agree that technology and enhancing
our ability to provide access to
un unfettered justice for our people is
is in our best interest. Um, and I'm
willing to work as hard as we need to to
get to policies that get us to how we
responsibly engage them. Um, you said
we're not currently working and and
there's one federal agency that I don't
agree with that I think actually is a
constitutional violation and that
disproportionately is hurting my my
neighborhood. So, I'm going to
unabashedly speak right now. We are not
complying with ICE or their terror
tactics. Is there a way under which they
would compel
the surrender of any information or data
that we've collected that would leave us
vulnerable should we implement these
things in enhanced area near where my
neighbors are?
>> Uh not that I'm I mean not that I'm
» Uh not that I'm I mean not that I'm
aware of. Again um we cooperate with law
enforcement agencies on
issues around crime. If there's violent
crime, um, that's who we're going to
cooperate. We're going to we're going to
we're going to criminal.
>> So, we can specify violent crime. We
» So, we can specify violent crime. We
don't do civil infractions like,
>> right? We can Yeah, we can set it up.
» right? We can Yeah, we can set it up.
Um, and when you access criminal justice
datab databases, you typically are doing
that when there's a a crime. So, we can
set it up in that way. Mhm.
[clears throat]
>> Is there a possibility a state law would
» Is there a possibility a state law would
ever supersede our ability to retain the
independence to protect that data in
perpetuity should we decide to implement
mo
>> most of the criminal justice data uh
» most of the criminal justice data uh
sharing is governed by the FBI criminal
justice information services um and
that's kind of what we we follow. So,
um, I don't
I don't think the state can go too much
outside of what what what is set up and
what's been set up for years and years
through sieges, FBI's sieges.
>> I have to reiterate to our force, I
» I have to reiterate to our force, I
believe in what we are building here. I
believe in your leadership and I am
proud of what we're doing. I am not
interested in us playing culture war
games and penalizing the people who are
in my neighborhood for the sake of some
voting points that can't be made without
causing people to live in fear. So,
that's where I will be drawing my line.
consistently on this issue and should we
get to a place where we no longer can
assure that that data is being used, I
will actively push for deactivation of
anything we put into place um because I
just won't I'm not going to play these
games.
>> We'll we'll work we'll continue to work
» We'll we'll work we'll continue to work
closely with all of you to ensure that
you're informed on what we're doing and
how we're doing it so you can be your
constituency can become
>> this is not about our people. I love you
» this is not about our people. I love you
all.
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
Oh, well, thanks very much, Chief. I
just wanted to you you referenced the
racial equity and policing commission.
Um, and we also have a human rights
commission. We also have a police
civilian review board. And these things
that these issues that we're struggling
with and talking about today with the
license plates and um with um with
working with other agencies, I mean,
these are like debates that have that
are older than this country. And I think
there's no end. There's no final answer.
Um it's a conversation. And as far as I
know, I I don't know of other cities
that any other city in Utah that has
like a racial equity and policing
commission. Um I don't know that many
other cities have like a human rights
commission. So I I say that to that, you
know, we have these groups of residents
that are, you know, just volunteers like
and members of our community that are
um tasked with going out and talking to
police, talking to the ACLU, talking to
people in our community. Um and I just
appreciate the department's openness.
Um, I can say from someone that that
served on the Human Rights Commission
that I have seen a huge difference in
the amount of information sharing um
that our department has has shared with
those groups and shared with the public
just in the time that I've been involved
um and a willingness to address the
concerns that my community, the LGBTQ
community has had with policing over the
years. So, I hope we can continue down
that positive path. Um, and um I want
all of these concerns that my colleagues
are are raising and that our communities
are raising to be part of that ongoing
conversation.
>> Absolutely. We'll we'll do that. And and
» Absolutely. We'll we'll do that. And and
I would just ask if if you have
constituents that you know need want to
meet with us, please just let us know so
we can we can sit down and and talk to
them and understand their their
perspective.
>> Thanks so much. I appreciate it. Um,
» Thanks so much. I appreciate it. Um,
Jennifer,
>> sorry, just wanted to clarify for the
» sorry, just wanted to clarify for the
record because it wasn't we we didn't
necessarily notice the work session to
talk about license plate readers, but I
appreciate the chief's willingness to
respond in real time to feedback we're
getting. It is on your guys's agenda
during the formal meeting as part of the
budget amendment number three public
hearing. Um there will be a motion sheet
option where if you need more time to
consider the issue and um receive
feedback, you can adopt um some but not
all of the budget amendment or you could
consider adopting tonight. Um the next
meeting is obviously in January. There
is a little bit of a a time crunch
[clears throat] with which to spend the
grant money. So um I think the
administration's hopeful that you'll
consider it sooner rather than later.
The other two items on the budget
amendment are more timesensitive from a
a spending grant money perspective. So,
um, just for your consideration at the
formal meeting.
>> Thank you. Yes, council app.
» Thank you. Yes, council app.
>> Is there ever a way to approve something
» Is there ever a way to approve something
with a contingency that if it was used
in a particular way, we can decommission
like a a trigger?
>> I guess from a from a um procedural
» I guess from a from a um procedural
standpoint, it would be hard to unspend
the money, right? So, I don't
>> I'm not looking I don't even need a
» I'm not looking I don't even need a
refund. What I need is for the work to
cease.
>> Got it. Okay. Well, we could we could
» Got it. Okay. Well, we could we could
chat with the attorney's office um in
the meantime and see if that's something
we can consider just to provide some
predictability for the future.
>> If I may if I may, Mr. Chair.
» If I may if I may, Mr. Chair.
>> Yes, please.
» Yes, please.
>> I I'd like to leave this with you. It
» I I'd like to leave this with you. It
might be helpful as you go into your
session tonight if that's okay.
>> Thank you. Um all right, let's move on
» Thank you. Um all right, let's move on
to agenda item number. Um, so five is a
written briefing, but just um for the
benefit of anyone listening, it's about
enacting temporary zoning regulations
for the VA Youth Resource Center. Um,
the next is a board appointment to the
Historic Landmark Commission for Mark
McGrath. And I know Mark is here. Yes.
Uh, just give us one second. Well, come
on down. Come on down.
So, please have a seat. Um, make sure
that that you turn the microphone on and
that the green light is on. And this is
your opportunity to just tell us a
little bit about yourself and your
background and why you're interested in
serving on the Historic Landmarks
Commission.
>> Okay. Well, uh, first of all, my
» Okay. Well, uh, first of all, my
background. Um, I just retired last
month after 33 years as a city planner
in a couple different communities
locally here. Um, the last 25 years I
spent at Taylor'sville City about 20 of
those years as the community development
director. So, I had my fingers on
building planning, code enforcement,
engineering, uh, business licensing, you
know, pretty much everything uh, that
has to do with community development one
way or another. Uh the last five years
at Taylor'sville, I've mo primarily been
focused on projects. Um we I've done a
couple plans, a general plan. I I uh
worked on our um station area plan for
our three bus rapid transit stations in
Taylor'sville. Uh I've worked on the bus
rapid transit and various other projects
at Taylor'sville. Um, while I was at
Taylor'sville, one of the kind of the
jokes in the in the local planning world
was that Taylor'sville had become the
minor leagues for uh Salt Lake City. Uh,
I'm proud to say that I hired Nick
Norris uh right out of college. Gave him
his first job at Taylorville City, as
you may be aware. He's really made a
name for himself in this business. Um,
Michael Malloy, who used to work here in
the planning department, uh, gave him
his first job. and uh Amanda Roman also
came through Taylorville and Angela
Price. So I I think it's a well-deserved
honor. Uh
um prior to Taylor'sville, I worked for
Midvail for about eight years. I was
involved in a lot of uh historic
preservation issues there at
Taylor'sville, uh much more so than at
at Taylor'sville.
And then I'm also a I've been a a
part-time adjunct professor at the
University of Utah College of
Architecture and Planning for about the
last 15 years. Uh I co-e a class with
Michael Malloy called City and
Literature where we study uh urban
planning classics uh classic books. Um
so that's that's pretty much my
professional background. Um
as I as I mentioned, I just retired. Um,
and so I saw this as an opportunity to
finally give back to uh my community.
I've I've lived in Sugar House pretty
much my entire uh well since my first
house was in Sugar House and I've been
in Sugar House ever since when I was in
college. I lived in the avenues on
Capitol Hill. Uh both of my parents are
from Ta uh from Salt Lake City. Sorry if
I said Taylor'sville. Uh my dad went to
West, my mom went to East, and all all
of my grandparents are from Salt Lake
City. So, I I would, you know, have uh
would very much appreciate an
opportunity to give back to the city.
I've been very busy on Tuesday and
Thursday and Wednesday nights for the
last 33 years. And so, this is really
kind of my opportunity now. Uh historic
preservation and community identity is
something that I take very seriously and
and very passionate about. Uh so, I
think this this particular uh position
is something that especially interests
me.
Great. Thank you for listing your Salt
Lake City bonafides. I was just
double-checking them here as you were
saying. [laughter]
>> All right. Uh, Council Member Young.
» All right. Uh, Council Member Young.
>> Well, you had me at the fact that you're
» Well, you had me at the fact that you're
an educator, so like that's my selling
point. No, but we're definitely super
fortunate to have someone with your
depth of expertise who's willing to help
us as the city make sure that we are
making the best decisions. Um, and I
actually think from some conversations
like earlier today, we might have a
running list of needs for um, you know,
the the committee as well as yourself to
be able to help us with in terms of
making decisions about how we both
preserve like the components of our city
that are so important to our history,
but also enable opportunities for more
affordable housing in a way that creates
balance. So anyway, just super excited
to have you and thank you for being
willing to contribute.
>> Thank you.
» Thank you.
>> Any other questions?
» Any other questions?
>> All right. Well, so the way this works
» All right. Well, so the way this works
is that we will place your name on our
consent agenda at our formal meeting. Um
you need not be present to win, but
you're welcome to join us if you would
like to, but um it's just part of a
slate of things that we adopt at the end
of the meeting. So there won't be
another speaking opportunity or anything
like that and no one will be sad if you
choose not to uh hang out for that.
>> All right.
» All right.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> Thank you so much for your willingness
» Thank you so much for your willingness
to serve Salt Lake City.
>> Thank you.
» Thank you.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> All right.
» All right.
Um the last item is our
report of the chair and vice chair. Uh,
I don't have any report other than to
wish you all happy holidays and thanks
for a great year. Um, Jen,
>> I don't have anything.
» I don't have anything.
>> Oh, oh my gosh. C, what a surprise a
» Oh, oh my gosh. C, what a surprise a
surprise guest appearance from Council
Member Puy.
>> I've I've been paying attention. I've
» I've I've been paying attention. I've
been here.
>> Oh, all right. Sorry, I couldn't see you
» Oh, all right. Sorry, I couldn't see you
on the screen, so I didn't know when you
joined us, but yeah. Do you have
anything else you'd like to add? No, no,
no.
>> Any Christmas wishes?
» Any Christmas wishes?
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> Best wishes for everybody.
» Best wishes for everybody.
>> Okay. Thanks.
» Okay. Thanks.
>> Okay. No other announcements. So, um
» Okay. No other announcements. So, um
we're going to adjourn for Council
Member Mono's um reception and for
dinner. And we'll see everybody. Yes,
that's on the fourth floor. And then
we'll see everybody for our formal
meeting at 7 o'clock. Thank you.