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Thank you.

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Welcome to the December 9th, 2025 city

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council work.

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>> We're starting now. Starting

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we're going to go ahead and get started.

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Um, welcome to the December 9th, 2025

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city council work session meeting. Our

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meetings are public and you're welcome

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to join us in person or by watching the

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council's agenda page, Zoom, or YouTube.

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We hope you'll continue to join us in

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whichever manner you feel most

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comfortable. This is a work session

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meeting during which there's no public

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comment. Please join us tonight at 7

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p.m. for our formal meeting to share

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your thoughts. I'm going to skip those

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contact details. They're all on the

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website. Um and we're going to move to

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our first agenda item which is um

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anformational update on the Utah

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Renewable Communities uh plan. We've got

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Michael Sanders, council policy analyst,

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and Glade Sewards, um, senior energy and

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climate program manager. Um, and Debbie

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Lions, department director.

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>> Okay. Thank you, council.

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» Okay. Thank you, council.

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>> So, today the administration is going to

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» So, today the administration is going to

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provide an an update on the next steps

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on the Utah Renewable Community Program.

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The URC is a partnership of 19 Utah

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cities and counties working to provide

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residents and businesses with access to

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net 100% clean energy by 2030. Salt Lake

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City has supported this program since

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2019 through resolutions and

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contributions to development costs. The

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next major step is a public service

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commission meeting regarding the program

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application on December 16th of this

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year with a decision anticipated as

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early as January of next year. If

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approved, cities will have 90 days to

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adopt a participation ordinance in the

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program, and URC could begin collecting

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revenue as soon as November of 2026.

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If the city opts in, customers would be

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automatically enrolled, but may opt out

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at no cost during an initial window. URC

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has a goal to keep average household

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bill increases to $3 to $4 per month and

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includes a bill credit for low lowincome

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customers of up to $7. Today's briefing

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isformational only. Following the PSC

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action, the administration will return

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with the proposed ordinance for council

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consideration.

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>> thanks for inviting me back. I think

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this is week three. Um, good to see you.

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Uh, I'm going to just give a very brief

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uh reminder of what URC is and how Salt

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Lake City got involved and uh what it

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means for residents and then Glade uh

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will take over and kind of talk about

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the status and upcoming milestones and

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next steps. So, next slide.

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So URC is a coalition of uh 19 cities

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and counties working together which Salt

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Lake City is one of them. Um and we're

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working with Rocky Mountain Power to

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source clean electricity for our grid to

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meet our goal of 100% net renewable

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clean electricity for homes and

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we are working to acquire new resources

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that feed into the grid that Rocky

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then the new resources will help power

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our homes and businesses. That's

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basically how it works. Um, the grid

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will be owned by and operated by Rocky

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Mountain Power and our residents will

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Mountain Power. And that was um part of

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that we were working with with the

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utility to bring more renewable

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resources to our grid. So next slide.

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So why are we doing this? Um working

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with other communities, we can't we can

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have a huge impact on the amount of

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clean energy we can deploy uh in our

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state and there's likely cost benefits

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per kilowatt hour for larger projects.

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bigger impact if we work together. The

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other thing is um it gives our residents

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choice. We know that most of our our

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residents support clean energy and this

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gives them the ability to know that

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their their homes and lives are being

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powered by clean energy. And uh Glade

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will get more into this but uh residents

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can opt out if they don't want to

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participate. It's an it's a all-in

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program and then residents can opt out.

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energy uh jobs um especially in

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construction and and particularly in

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rural areas and it's the biggest impact

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that we can have to avoid pollution.

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thing that we can do to meet our

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renewable energy and our climate goals

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and reduce pollution. And as was

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mentioned, uh we've taken a series of

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steps on joint resolutions since 2016 in

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um in voicing our commitment to clean

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energy and reducing pollution.

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talked about the climate forward Salt

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Lake City plan and we're hoping to bring

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that to you next summer for adoption.

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reaffirm and recommmit to those goals.

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largest thing we can do to meet those

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goals. Next slide.

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going to just give you a little bit more

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uh in the in the weeds detail about the

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program and some upcoming milestones and

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and uh kind of a long-term look at the

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program. So, first I want to start with

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Salt Lake City's involvement in the Utah

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Renewable Communities Initiative. Salt

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Lake City joined um the Community

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Renewable Energy Agency, which is the B

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uh board for URC, and we made the

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required financial contributions to the

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AY's budget, which was proportional to

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our community's uh population and our

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energy load. We signed a required

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utility agreement that was one of about

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15 uh elements that were required under

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the public service commission's

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rulemaking for the program. That was it.

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application last January. And then

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approves the program, possibly as early

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as January of next year, uh the city

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will have the final decision, the the

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council will have the decision as to

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whether to adopt the program ordinance

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and opt our residents and businesses

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into the program. Next slide, please.

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So, I wanted to just cover what what

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folks can uh anticipate when it comes to

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their utility bills, how this would

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work. As Debbie mentioned, uh URC

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customers would remain Rocky Mountain

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Power customers uh and would continue re

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receiving reliable energy just as they

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always have done. Um once the program

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launches, you're automatically enrolled

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in the program, assuming we've adopted

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the program ordinance with the choice to

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opt out. And there's kind of a tension

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there between, you know, an individual

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or business's desire to uh have clean

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energy and support clean energy and then

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the impacts to their bills. And each

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person is going to be different in terms

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of how they ultimately decide on that.

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Um there's no cost to opt out initially

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as envisioned by the program, but after

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a cancellation period, then a fee would

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begin to apply. and and that's just to

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make sure that we have a stable program

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participation rate while giving folks a

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chance to uh experience how this would

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impact their bill and still have the

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option to to opt out. The URC board has

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taken a position to design the program

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and propose a program in such a way uh

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that the average household's uh bill

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impact would be no more than roughly uh

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three to four dollars per month. That's

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the goal. Uh and we have special

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low-income provisions. First of all,

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because it's the right thing to do, but

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secondly, because it was required by

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statute. Uh and we have uh maybe three

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or four main uh items included there.

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One is ongoing outreach and engagement

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to make sure folks know what they're

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participating in and what their options

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are. But then importantly, a monthly

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bill credit uh to cover the monthly

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increase should a low-income household.

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And uh and when I say low-inccome here,

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we're talking about those who are uh

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eligible for the Rocky Mountain Power

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home electric lifeline program or or

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plan rather or help. That's uh people

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who are at at or below 150% of the

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federal poverty level. They would have

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the option to participate in the pro

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program without having that monthly

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increase covered by the other program

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participants. and should they decide to

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opt out um even after the um

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cancellation period they would have no

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termination fee. So we feel like that

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that helps uh all customers have an

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opportunity to participate. Uh next

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slide please.

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Okay. So I'm going to give a little bit

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of the history here. I think we've

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covered most of this. The enabling

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legislation again was passed in 2019 to

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set this up. Uh there was a net 100%

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renewable uh resolution that was adopted

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originally by 23 communities. That

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requirement from the original act was uh

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rescended I believe in 2024. Since then

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we've had one community who was able to

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join since that provision was gone. It

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had a had a target date that no longer

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applies. So we currently had and we had

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some communities drop. So we have 19

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total communities participating going

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forward. All of those communities formed

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an interlocal through a governance

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agreement uh signed a utility agreement

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uh with the company which which again

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and with the public service commission

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application. So uh that is done and we

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are now to this throughout this past

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year actually beginning about this time

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last year and through June the program

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application was submitted. Next slide

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please. And I wanted to just dwell on

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this uh 0.5 a little bit longer here.

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There's actually kind of two main

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elements of this program application.

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One was a solicitation or request for

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proposals for different types of bids,

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you know, solar, wind, geothermal. Uh

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that was issued uh approved by the PSC

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last May and issued that same May. We

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had 14 qualifying bids. We received by

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July and that those bids have been going

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through an evaluation process. Uh we're

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just receiving some of the results on

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that evaluation process. Uh at the same

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time and in parallel, we've had this

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program application that was filed with

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the uh commission between January and

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June of this past year. We've had

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testimony going back and forth between

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the various parties uh in the program

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docket. And all of that's going to

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culminate on in a hearing this December

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16th, so next week. Uh next slide,

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please.

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So that brings us to the last couple

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items on here. the program approval

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which could come as early as January of

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next year. And then that starts a 90-day

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clock for councils and commissions in

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the participating communities to uh

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decide whether they want to adopt the

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program ordinance. It's a common ordin

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ordinance among all the communities

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which would opt in their residents and

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businesses uh with the option then to

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opt out. Uh next slide please.

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Uh and here I just wanted to quickly

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give you a kind of a timeline. So the

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top part of this slide is what the tail

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end of the timeline you saw before, but

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I wanted to give you a look at what we

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can expect next year. So again uh and in

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this case I wanted to point out I'm

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using uh Rocky Mountain Powers estimated

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dates that were included in their

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program application which are I want to

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point out subject to ch to change. So uh

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we could have the program approval by as

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early as uh maybe J mid to late January

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next year. that 90-day window for the

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councils and commissions of the

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participating communities to opt in

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their program. And then we have uh

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several milestones that sort of flow

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from that. And importantly, there would

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be a kind of a period during which Rocky

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Mountain Power gets their system up and

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running, their their billing system. Uh

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and then there would be a 60-day uh

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noticing period. uh following which we

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would have the commencement date of the

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program when when rep bill impacts start

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to be felt and that's importantly about

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a year from now so tail end of November

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probably at the earliest and then after

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uh there would be a 100-day opt out

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period after that with no cancellation

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fee we have I wanted to indicate in our

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pro in our testimony actually pushed for

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a longer opt out period of six months to

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to absolutely make certain that people

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who participate uh are doing so because

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they want to and that they have an opt

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option to opt out of the program. That

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is all of course subject to public

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service commission approval. Next slide,

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please.

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Um so just key takeaways. Uh next week,

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December 16th, there's actually two

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hearings that day. A technical hearing

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at 9:00 a.m. and then a public witness

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hearing at 6 p.m. that evening. That's

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kind of an opportunity for oral public

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comment um for parties who are

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interested. And then on the horizon

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again, the public service commission

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approval could come as early as January

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starting that 90-day clock for program

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ordinance approval. Uh and and approving

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that ordinance again would opt opt

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program opt us into the program. Uh

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obligate us to reimburse Rocky Mountain

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Power for two rounds of noticing to

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customers and finally encourage us to

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continue working with the other

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communities to uh help spread the word

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about the program. And that's I think

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all I have today. Next slide just to

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make sure. Oh, there's just a link here

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if you have any questions or want to get

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on our mailing list. So,

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» okay,

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council members, any questions?

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» Thank you to Council Member Dugan for

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always representing us so well on this

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and going so deep. Like I was just

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telling Darren like every time they

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update us I'm like wow like there's so

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like thank thank you for making sure

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that our voice has been represented and

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it's not just us in our city. I know

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that you're you're stepping into places

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where other cities don't have the

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resourcing but may have the will. So

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thank you and thank you to the staff for

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doing it as well.

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>> Thank you

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» Thank you

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>> council member Dugan.

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» council member Dugan.

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>> Yeah [snorts] thank you council Petro.

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» Yeah [snorts] thank you council Petro.

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Uh this has been a long haul. Uh and I

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really appreciate the this

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administration and sustainabilities uh

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efforts here because they've

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basically have a full-time FTE running

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this uh 3 years, four or five years ago.

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We thought we'd be done by 2022

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and then 23, then 24. Then we realized

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and I always knew that Rocky Mountain

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Power was difficult to work with, but I

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didn't realize it was this difficult.

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But uh it's been a challenge and I

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appreciate all the effort and the and

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the way we've been able to uh pivot and

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roll on different things. Uh I do want

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to the the difficult part we have here

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is the uh and I'm just going to mention

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it the three to $4 per month. Now that

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is all based on what how the public

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service commission rules on the cost and

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the value of the resources that we are

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providing and how they rule on that and

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how they rule on a few things

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administrative costs that will impact

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that cost to our residents. But that

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dollar figure also

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we wanted we did a survey

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five years ago, four or five years ago

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and that's where we came up with that

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number. We will have to adjust that

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depending on uh and that will also

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depend on that will give us how much

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energy we can actually uh resource

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upfront and then resource over the time.

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So we will be able to adjust that to fit

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the needs of the residents and to fit

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the needs of the program. uh and but we

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won't know that number and we won't know

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that full impact until after the public

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service commission makes a ruling and

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answers all the questions that we have

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in front of them. We are not in

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agreement with Rocky Mountain Power on a

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number of these things. Uh so we have to

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go to the public service commission to u

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render a ver verdict. I guess I guess

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it's like a judge render a verdict on on

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this on this process. So, we're there.

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On the low-income side,

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only 3% of the the residents who are

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eligible for this help program actually

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use it. About 11% of our population is

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eligible. Only 3% use it. So, we're

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putting full por full court press on

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this to get more people involved in it

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so that they can take advantage of this.

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How this impacts your blue sky credits.

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You can continue using blue skies or you

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can take it away and say, "I'm going to

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submit my money. I'm going to pay

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divert my money back to this program.

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Those are all all out there. Um, but we

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as a state need energy. We need it now.

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And this is the quickest way to get

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energy. Nukes not nuclear is not going

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to come and small nuclear reactors are

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not going to come until modular reactors

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aren't going to come in for another in

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my guesstimate

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maybe I won't even be around this world

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15 20 30 years. Who knows?

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Hopefully I'm going to be around you.

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Okay. Um, and geothermal is the same

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thing. Could be a long time. So, this is

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the first time that we'll have energy

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right away with this program. December

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16th, I encourage you if you want to be

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a give two minutes. We hear two minutes

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all the time. Public service uh support

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would be welcomed. I'll be sitting there

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pretty much all day long. So, come join

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me at 6 o'clock and give your two

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minutes and support the program. Thank

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you, Mr. Chair.

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>> Thank you, Council Member Dugan. Anyone

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» Thank you, Council Member Dugan. Anyone

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else?

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I'm excited about this. I I very much

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appreciate that people are going to be

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able to to opt in and and I like that

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about it. Um but that also is what makes

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me a little bit nervous. Um making sure

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that we have done all the math to make

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sure that if fewer people end up opting

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in or more people opt out than we

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anticipated that we can still um make

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the program a success. Um because I I do

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think that just with

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different things that are happening and

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with the economy the way that it is,

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people might be scrutinizing their bills

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a little more. Um, and I I hope I'm

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confident though that we can find a way

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to make the program work. Um, and

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appreciate that we can educate folks

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more on using the um um assistance

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that's available or relief that's

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available.

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Anyone else have anything else? Okay,

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thank you so much. We'll go to our

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second agenda item which is consolidated

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fee schedule amendment for public lands.

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>> So for us we've got um or with us we've

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» So for us we've got um or with us we've

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got Allison Roland, council policy

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analyst, Kim Shel, public lands

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director, Greg Evans, finance manager

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who's joining us virtually I think or

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maybe not. Okay. Yes.

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Should we begin?

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>> Yeah, go ahead and begin. I don't know

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» Yeah, go ahead and begin. I don't know

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where Greg is.

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» Oh, he's here. Oh, good. Thanks.

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>> Okay. [laughter]

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» Okay. [laughter]

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Um, so the Department of Public Lands

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has proposed minor changes in the

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consolidated fee schedule. This

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ordinance would add the open counter

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payment system to the programs listed as

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exempt from charging credit card search

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charges. credit card fees have not been

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charged by any of the current payment

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systems due to technical limitations on

546
00:29:46,559 --> 00:29:49,440
these thirdparty payment providers. So,

547
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,360
I will turn it over to Kim to see if she

548
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,240
has additional things to say.

549
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:55,990
>> Thank you. Uh not not too much

550
00:29:55,990 --> 00:29:56,000
» Thank you. Uh not not too much

551
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:57,200
additional to say. It's pretty

552
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,600
straightforward request. Um it's

553
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,279
actually a two-parter. We're renaming

554
00:30:01,279 --> 00:30:03,840
the uh system

555
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,399
uh that is currently Max Galaxy in the

556
00:30:06,399 --> 00:30:08,960
in the CFS to ActiveNet. They already

557
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:10,880
have an existing exemption. And then

558
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:12,960
we'd like to add or proposing to add

559
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,679
open counter. Um we have an estimated

560
00:30:15,679 --> 00:30:18,799
net impact of the decision that that the

561
00:30:18,799 --> 00:30:21,279
department is ready to absorb and we do

562
00:30:21,279 --> 00:30:22,960
think this is a convenience for folks

563
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,640
that that use this system and it also re

564
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,039
um results in an economic benefit to the

565
00:30:29,039 --> 00:30:31,200
city that we believe offsets the costs

566
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,039
that could come to the department.

567
00:30:33,039 --> 00:30:35,840
Thanks

568
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,470
>> questions.

569
00:30:38,470 --> 00:30:38,480
» questions.

570
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,840
Cool. Thank you so much.

571
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:43,760
Thanks, Greg. Glad you could join us.

572
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,880
Sorry you didn't get to talk. [laughter]

573
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,880
Uh, okay. Let's go to um agenda item

574
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,440
number three, which is uh bond capacity

575
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:57,520
and anticipated projects and needs.

576
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:01,760
At this or for this, we have

577
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:06,106
Oh, says Jill.

578
00:31:06,116 --> 00:31:10,870
» [laughter]

579
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:35,350
» Come on down. Welcome back.

580
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,640
Thank you council for having me. Um

581
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,880
e

582
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,600
um so I'm going to run through um some

583
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,840
not all bond types but the bond types

584
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,159
that we have that that have outstanding

585
00:31:48,159 --> 00:31:50,320
bonds associated with them and at the

586
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,240
end I'll talk a little bit about um

587
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,440
additional bonds that we could see um in

588
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:59,200
the future. So um can you go to the

589
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:03,269
first slide please?

590
00:32:03,279 --> 00:32:05,039
That's pretty small. Can you can you all

591
00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:06,880
see this? I'll walk through each one of

592
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:11,519
these with you. So, this is um geo bonds

593
00:32:11,519 --> 00:32:13,840
and what I'm showing you here is the

594
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,399
expiration of the geo bond, what the

595
00:32:16,399 --> 00:32:18,640
debt service payment is on that geo bond

596
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,399
and the maximum par amount as of

597
00:32:22,399 --> 00:32:25,279
August of 2025. And the reason I say as

598
00:32:25,279 --> 00:32:27,760
of August of 2025 is because it's based

599
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,159
on an interest rate that is projected

600
00:32:30,159 --> 00:32:31,840
and that can change at any point in

601
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,880
time. So, the bond that's going to

602
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,240
expire in fiscal year 2028 has a debt

603
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,120
service payment right now of $1.2

604
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,840
million. And the maximum par amount if

605
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,480
you if that once that expires, you could

606
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,240
go back out and bond for an additional

607
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,279
15. Understand GEO bonds have to go

608
00:32:51,279 --> 00:32:54,159
before the voters and then and approved

609
00:32:54,159 --> 00:32:55,840
and then you can go back out. But what

610
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:57,919
this is saying is that if you did a $15

611
00:32:57,919 --> 00:33:01,200
million bond, in theory, it wouldn't

612
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,000
raise the property tax the the property

613
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,799
taxes for residents at that point in

614
00:33:06,799 --> 00:33:10,000
time. Does that make sense?

615
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,149
>> So, it's it's the impact to the

616
00:33:12,149 --> 00:33:12,159
» So, it's it's the impact to the

617
00:33:12,159 --> 00:33:14,399
taxpayer. It's not a reflection of our

618
00:33:14,399 --> 00:33:16,240
total creditworthiness as a city.

619
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:17,990
>> Correct. It's the impact to the

620
00:33:17,990 --> 00:33:18,000
» Correct. It's the impact to the

621
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,360
taxpayer. So on a geo bond, right?

622
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,549
>> As geo bonds expire, the taxpayer pays

623
00:33:24,549 --> 00:33:24,559
» As geo bonds expire, the taxpayer pays

624
00:33:24,559 --> 00:33:27,760
less. As we increase the geo bonds, the

625
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:31,200
taxpayer could potentially pay more.

626
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,799
This is showing that once the 22 the

627
00:33:34,799 --> 00:33:38,640
fiscal year 2028 debt service falls off,

628
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,120
that 1.2 million will not be put on the

629
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,720
tax roles. So the taxpayer will pay less

630
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,679
in theory. And I always say in theory

631
00:33:47,679 --> 00:33:49,679
because it depends on the values of

632
00:33:49,679 --> 00:33:50,880
properties and it's a really

633
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,360
complicated. So I always say, you know,

634
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:54,880
in theory that's the way it's supposed

635
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,080
to work.

636
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,870
>> But but in

637
00:33:58,870 --> 00:33:58,880
» But but in

638
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,519
hard numbers, the city will not be uh

639
00:34:01,519 --> 00:34:04,480
paying $1.25 million a year on debt

640
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,640
services because that that's clear.

641
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,159
That's clear off the box.

642
00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:09,589
>> That's correct. That debt service falls

643
00:34:09,589 --> 00:34:09,599
» That's correct. That debt service falls

644
00:34:09,599 --> 00:34:10,879
off the rolls, right?

645
00:34:10,879 --> 00:34:12,069
>> That bond falls off the rolls.

646
00:34:12,069 --> 00:34:12,079
» That bond falls off the rolls.

647
00:34:12,079 --> 00:34:13,109
>> Falls off. Right.

648
00:34:13,109 --> 00:34:13,119
» Falls off. Right.

649
00:34:13,119 --> 00:34:16,470
>> Correct. Mhm. So, in 20 I and I hate to

650
00:34:16,470 --> 00:34:16,480
» Correct. Mhm. So, in 20 I and I hate to

651
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:17,919
do this. I always do this every time you

652
00:34:17,919 --> 00:34:18,960
present. I'm the worst.

653
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:19,990
>> No, you're fine. Go ahead.

654
00:34:19,990 --> 00:34:20,000
» No, you're fine. Go ahead.

655
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,230
>> Is it possible to get another level of

656
00:34:22,230 --> 00:34:22,240
» Is it possible to get another level of

657
00:34:22,240 --> 00:34:25,200
analysis of this? Um, for instance, how

658
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:29,440
much would be coming off of the average

659
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,159
taxpayers's bill at that point?

660
00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:34,550
>> So, if if we chose not to take out a $15

661
00:34:34,550 --> 00:34:34,560
» So, if if we chose not to take out a $15

662
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,960
million bond and not to renew that,

663
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:38,950
>> what how much relief would they see?

664
00:34:38,950 --> 00:34:38,960
» what how much relief would they see?

665
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:40,310
>> Yes, we can do that.

666
00:34:40,310 --> 00:34:40,320
» Yes, we can do that.

667
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:41,349
>> We haven't done that, but we can

668
00:34:41,349 --> 00:34:41,359
» We haven't done that, but we can

669
00:34:41,359 --> 00:34:42,560
absolutely do that.

670
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,829
>> Okay. in 2030 is the next bond that will

671
00:34:45,829 --> 00:34:45,839
» Okay. in 2030 is the next bond that will

672
00:34:45,839 --> 00:34:47,440
be falling off. The debt service is

673
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,440
$1.659

674
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:53,520
million and the maximum par amount again

675
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,520
as of August when we computed it would

676
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,079
would be 20,645

677
00:34:58,079 --> 00:35:01,200
in 2031. This is 6,47.

678
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,520
This is the public safety building and I

679
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,839
know that because I remember when we

680
00:35:05,839 --> 00:35:07,440
placed the public safety building in

681
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,920
service and how much increased our geo

682
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,320
bond debt service. So you can see it's a

683
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,720
very large debt service payment and the

684
00:35:14,720 --> 00:35:17,599
maximum par amount in 2031 could be

685
00:35:17,599 --> 00:35:20,720
potentially be $79 million.

686
00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:25,280
Um 2039 would be 956,900

687
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:29,280
in debt service par amount of 11,890.

688
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:30,960
2040

689
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,640
um 957900

690
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:36,720
11,905

691
00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:41,200
2041 debt service payment of 1,22550

692
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:45,839
maximum par amount would be 15.

693
00:35:45,839 --> 00:35:48,880
Um, yeah. So, this is geo bonds and the

694
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,680
debt service associated with those.

695
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,150
>> And typically geo bonds have the lowest

696
00:35:54,150 --> 00:35:54,160
» And typically geo bonds have the lowest

697
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,079
interest rates.

698
00:35:56,079 --> 00:35:57,829
>> Tax exempt bonds have the lowest

699
00:35:57,829 --> 00:35:57,839
» Tax exempt bonds have the lowest

700
00:35:57,839 --> 00:35:59,760
interest rates. It's not necessarily a

701
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,400
go. Could be a go. It could be a sales

702
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,320
tax bond. Tax exempt bonds have the

703
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:05,520
lowest rates.

704
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:06,710
>> Council member Young,

705
00:36:06,710 --> 00:36:06,720
» Council member Young,

706
00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:09,829
>> when I look at these numbers, um, I

707
00:36:09,829 --> 00:36:09,839
» when I look at these numbers, um, I

708
00:36:09,839 --> 00:36:11,920
guess I just have a question. So in

709
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:17,440
2028, we're saying the maximum amount is

710
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:21,750
15,615,000.

711
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:25,119
When I get to 2030, it increases. Now,

712
00:36:25,119 --> 00:36:26,560
here's the question. [laughter]

713
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,800
Is it increasing

714
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,720
up to the 20,645,000

715
00:36:32,720 --> 00:36:36,960
or is that in addition to the 15.6

716
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,680
million that's available in 2028? In

717
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:40,320
addition,

718
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:41,109
>> in addition,

719
00:36:41,109 --> 00:36:41,119
» in addition,

720
00:36:41,119 --> 00:36:42,950
>> so each one of these stand alone.

721
00:36:42,950 --> 00:36:42,960
» so each one of these stand alone.

722
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:44,150
>> Stand alone. They're not

723
00:36:44,150 --> 00:36:44,160
» Stand alone. They're not

724
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:45,270
>> They're not cumulative.

725
00:36:45,270 --> 00:36:45,280
» They're not cumulative.

726
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:46,069
>> Perfect. Thank you.

727
00:36:46,069 --> 00:36:46,079
» Perfect. Thank you.

728
00:36:46,079 --> 00:36:47,829
>> Yep. They all stand alone. Um, that

729
00:36:47,829 --> 00:36:47,839
» Yep. They all stand alone. Um, that

730
00:36:47,839 --> 00:36:49,280
would be my question, Council Member

731
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,240
Petro. Um, do you want this for all of

732
00:36:52,240 --> 00:36:55,119
these through 2041? Do you want them

733
00:36:55,119 --> 00:36:58,800
from 2028 to 2031? What impact do you

734
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,760
want for the residents? feel like we

735
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:03,760
have reason to believe in economic

736
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:05,680
uncertainty for our people at least

737
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:10,079
through 28, but not trusting traditional

738
00:37:10,079 --> 00:37:12,400
structures through 32 would be helpful

739
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,079
as well. Let's pray that I'm wrong about

740
00:37:14,079 --> 00:37:17,040
that one. But yeah, I'd like it feels

741
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:18,320
like we're in a moment of economic

742
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,320
uncertainty that's self-inflicted. So,

743
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,280
if we could have projections through 32.

744
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,829
>> Okay, I can do that.

745
00:37:25,829 --> 00:37:25,839
» Okay, I can do that.

746
00:37:25,839 --> 00:37:28,150
>> Any other questions on GEO bonds?

747
00:37:28,150 --> 00:37:28,160
» Any other questions on GEO bonds?

748
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,030
>> Council member Dugan.

749
00:37:31,030 --> 00:37:31,040
» Council member Dugan.

750
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:32,240
Maybe I'll wait till the end of all the

751
00:37:32,240 --> 00:37:34,480
bonds. I'll wait till the end. I'll come

752
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,359
back because I think Okay, I'll ask now.

753
00:37:37,359 --> 00:37:38,480
So,

754
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:42,710
>> so we if we went out for 11 uh 15,000

755
00:37:42,710 --> 00:37:42,720
» so we if we went out for 11 uh 15,000

756
00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:45,520
115 million geo bond and we had three

757
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,800
tranches, one starting in 28 of worth 15

758
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,880
million, one starting 30 worth 20

759
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,440
million and one starting 31 worth $80

760
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:59,680
million, we would not see a increase.

761
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,599
If all things else considered, interest

762
00:38:01,599 --> 00:38:03,119
rates and other things, we would not see

763
00:38:03,119 --> 00:38:06,880
an increase in uh payments from the uh

764
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:08,160
property tax owners.

765
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:08,790
>> Correct.

766
00:38:08,790 --> 00:38:08,800
» Correct.

767
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:09,349
>> Okay.

768
00:38:09,349 --> 00:38:09,359
» Okay.

769
00:38:09,359 --> 00:38:13,349
>> Yeah. Res um property tax um property

770
00:38:13,349 --> 00:38:13,359
» Yeah. Res um property tax um property

771
00:38:13,359 --> 00:38:16,240
tax. Yes. Property taxes in the in

772
00:38:16,240 --> 00:38:17,520
theory would not increase,

773
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:18,630
>> right? Okay.

774
00:38:18,630 --> 00:38:18,640
» right? Okay.

775
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:20,550
>> If you took them out at those tanches.

776
00:38:20,550 --> 00:38:20,560
» If you took them out at those tanches.

777
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,150
>> If you took them out the tranches. Yeah.

778
00:38:22,150 --> 00:38:22,160
» If you took them out the tranches. Yeah.

779
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:23,359
And that's what it would be. Okay.

780
00:38:23,359 --> 00:38:25,270
>> Correct. You are correct, Council Member

781
00:38:25,270 --> 00:38:25,280
» Correct. You are correct, Council Member

782
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:26,400
Petro.

783
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,270
>> And the type of bond is exclusive. It's

784
00:38:29,270 --> 00:38:29,280
» And the type of bond is exclusive. It's

785
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:33,839
not like 15 million28 is available to a

786
00:38:33,839 --> 00:38:35,599
revenue bond or a geo bond or an LBA

787
00:38:35,599 --> 00:38:38,000
bond. It's only to the GEO bond.

788
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:38,560
Correct.

789
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,230
>> Yes. So what this is saying is because

790
00:38:40,230 --> 00:38:40,240
» Yes. So what this is saying is because

791
00:38:40,240 --> 00:38:43,119
this debt service is falling off, if you

792
00:38:43,119 --> 00:38:48,000
chose to do a GO bond in 2028,

793
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,560
you could do it for a maximum par of

794
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:55,119
$15.6 million with no impact to property

795
00:38:55,119 --> 00:38:57,839
taxes. But we couldn't just say, "Well,

796
00:38:57,839 --> 00:39:00,320
there's 15 million in miscellaneous

797
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:01,920
bonding. Let's do a revenue bond

798
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:02,240
instead."

799
00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:04,390
>> No, I've got I've got all of the all of

800
00:39:04,390 --> 00:39:04,400
» No, I've got I've got all of the all of

801
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,400
the bonds and the outset standing debt

802
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,839
as we move forward with those.

803
00:39:09,839 --> 00:39:12,069
>> Any other questions on GIO?

804
00:39:12,069 --> 00:39:12,079
» Any other questions on GIO?

805
00:39:12,079 --> 00:39:14,630
>> Next slide, please.

806
00:39:14,630 --> 00:39:14,640
» Next slide, please.

807
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,520
So, this is LBA bonds. These are our

808
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,079
fire stations. Um, local building

809
00:39:20,079 --> 00:39:22,000
authority bonds are usually more

810
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:23,920
expensive. They also come with more

811
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,000
restrictions, but we did our fire

812
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,880
stations for the LBA bonds. These will

813
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:32,240
expire in 2037 and 2038. The debt

814
00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:34,240
service comes from either the general

815
00:39:34,240 --> 00:39:37,359
fund or fire impact fees depending on

816
00:39:37,359 --> 00:39:39,440
whether we have enough fire impact fees

817
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,680
to pay the debt service. If we don't,

818
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,400
then the general fund either subsidizes

819
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,320
or pays the entire amount. Usually what

820
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,880
we do is about every two years fire

821
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,040
impact fees pay this debt service and

822
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,119
then the general fund picks up the the

823
00:39:53,119 --> 00:39:58,470
other year. So offsetting years.

824
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,280
Any questions on LBA?

825
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,000
Okay, next slide please.

826
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,760
This is sales tax bond. So,

827
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:12,160
this is um it says sales tax, but

828
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,760
remember that sales tax bonds could be

829
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:19,760
sales tax, use tax, or franchise tax.

830
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:21,440
So, we've incorporated all of those

831
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:26,400
taxes in order to meet our um our um

832
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,760
obligation. So, it in theory obligates

833
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,599
those funds, but the general fund is

834
00:40:31,599 --> 00:40:33,520
actually the pay that what pays the debt

835
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,760
service on these. And this follows the

836
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,640
exact same rule, right? So general fund

837
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:43,430
pays the debt service of $357,000

838
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,640
on the fiscal year 2027 with a maximum

839
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:49,839
par amount of $4.4 million. Sales tax

840
00:40:49,839 --> 00:40:51,440
bonds don't have to go before the

841
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,400
voters. You all make that decision. You

842
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:58,079
did one in 2022. Um I think it was $63

843
00:40:58,079 --> 00:41:00,720
million at the time. Um and that one

844
00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:03,280
obviously is the one probably you see in

845
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:07,040
2038 or beyond. Um and this follows the

846
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,440
exact same pattern. They all stand alone

847
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,400
and um the debt service payment and the

848
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:17,040
par amount is as of August 2025.

849
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,710
>> Mr. Chair, so what what are we paying

850
00:41:20,710 --> 00:41:20,720
» Mr. Chair, so what what are we paying

851
00:41:20,720 --> 00:41:23,280
for with sales tax bond?

852
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,750
>> Um you could pay for anything. So in the

853
00:41:25,750 --> 00:41:25,760
» Um you could pay for anything. So in the

854
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:29,280
last one we did we paid for some parks.

855
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,760
We paid for some infrastructure. We paid

856
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,400
for some streets with a sales tax bond.

857
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,000
Anything that's infrastructure, you

858
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:37,760
could pay for. You can't do operations,

859
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:39,520
but you can do infrastructure with any

860
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:40,160
bond.

861
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:43,030
>> So, was our 2018 streets bond a sales

862
00:41:43,030 --> 00:41:43,040
» So, was our 2018 streets bond a sales

863
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:43,599
tax bond?

864
00:41:43,599 --> 00:41:44,550
>> It was a geo.

865
00:41:44,550 --> 00:41:44,560
» It was a geo.

866
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,109
>> That that was a geo bond.

867
00:41:47,109 --> 00:41:47,119
» That that was a geo bond.

868
00:41:47,119 --> 00:41:47,750
>> Oh,

869
00:41:47,750 --> 00:41:47,760
» Oh,

870
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:52,309
>> the 2022 The 2022 was a sales tax bond.

871
00:41:52,309 --> 00:41:52,319
» the 2022 The 2022 was a sales tax bond.

872
00:41:52,319 --> 00:41:56,160
And we did um parks, we did some

873
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:59,760
streets, we did cemetery

874
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,720
um and we did some IMS infrastructure as

875
00:42:02,720 --> 00:42:05,280
well. And sales tax bonds have a

876
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,839
combination of both taxable and

877
00:42:07,839 --> 00:42:10,560
taxexempt bonds as we were talking about

878
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,599
before. Um we do taxable bonds

879
00:42:13,599 --> 00:42:18,240
specifically if we have issues where

880
00:42:18,240 --> 00:42:20,640
we could see revenue coming into that

881
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,040
area. An example would be a park, right?

882
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:24,800
If I have a park and I'm doing events

883
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:26,960
and I'm making revenues, it's really

884
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,359
hard to calculate the threshold every

885
00:42:29,359 --> 00:42:31,839
single year to meet the IRS regulations.

886
00:42:31,839 --> 00:42:33,839
So, we go forward and just say we're

887
00:42:33,839 --> 00:42:35,440
going to do a taxable bond. It takes the

888
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,079
guesswork out of that.

889
00:42:38,079 --> 00:42:41,190
>> Council member, um, well, did you is

890
00:42:41,190 --> 00:42:41,200
» Council member, um, well, did you is

891
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:42,640
what yours is a follow-up to what you

892
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:43,119
just said?

893
00:42:43,119 --> 00:42:43,349
>> Yeah.

894
00:42:43,349 --> 00:42:43,359
» Yeah.

895
00:42:43,359 --> 00:42:46,309
>> Okay. And then council. Can you mix? Can

896
00:42:46,309 --> 00:42:46,319
» Okay. And then council. Can you mix? Can

897
00:42:46,319 --> 00:42:48,240
you say, "Hey, we have streets and we're

898
00:42:48,240 --> 00:42:50,560
going to use some geo bond and and sales

899
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,960
tax bonds to pay something off."

900
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:54,870
>> Yeah. Yeah, you could do however you

901
00:42:54,870 --> 00:42:54,880
» Yeah. Yeah, you could do however you

902
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:56,319
wanted that combination to be. You could

903
00:42:56,319 --> 00:42:57,200
do so. Yes.

904
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,190
>> And I think that was the combination in

905
00:42:59,190 --> 00:42:59,200
» And I think that was the combination in

906
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,440
2018. There were the funding our future

907
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,079
dollars that were used for two different

908
00:43:04,079 --> 00:43:06,640
types of streets projects, I believe.

909
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:08,800
So, that might [snorts] be why you were

910
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,040
thinking of both being involved. And we

911
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:12,880
kind of did the same thing with the

912
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,359
parks bond and the sales tax bond.

913
00:43:15,359 --> 00:43:17,680
Combination of it is you know cemetery

914
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:19,920
which is under parks as well with sales

915
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:24,000
tax go mainly parks but we had parks

916
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:25,680
also in the sales tax bond. So we did a

917
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,920
combination there as well.

918
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:28,309
>> Chavez.

919
00:43:28,309 --> 00:43:28,319
» Chavez.

920
00:43:28,319 --> 00:43:30,790
>> Oh thank you Mr. Chair. Um I had two

921
00:43:30,790 --> 00:43:30,800
» Oh thank you Mr. Chair. Um I had two

922
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,200
questions. One of them was just the debt

923
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,359
service ratio and if we've ever maxed it

924
00:43:35,359 --> 00:43:37,040
out or if you can help me understand if

925
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,200
we're attempting to max that out at any

926
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,680
point. We have not ever maxed it out.

927
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,480
Our sales tax to debt service ratio is

928
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,319
very high. I can't give you the exact

929
00:43:46,319 --> 00:43:48,079
amount. I could come up with that, but

930
00:43:48,079 --> 00:43:49,680
it's very very high and we've never come

931
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:50,800
close to maxing it out.

932
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:54,470
>> I was just curious if the um SECCC would

933
00:43:54,470 --> 00:43:54,480
» I was just curious if the um SECCC would

934
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,560
somehow affect that. But you're saying

935
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,720
those are separate because this is still

936
00:43:58,720 --> 00:44:01,440
our bonding capacity is Salt Lake City

937
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,000
and remains unaffected by the SECCC.

938
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,870
>> Yeah, we run the ratios but our ratio is

939
00:44:06,870 --> 00:44:06,880
» Yeah, we run the ratios but our ratio is

940
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:07,440
so

941
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,270
>> entertainment culture convention. Oh

942
00:44:09,270 --> 00:44:09,280
» entertainment culture convention. Oh

943
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,280
yeah, ours ours is and ours is

944
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,200
completely separate from theirs. Right

945
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,270
>> for clarifying that what I wanted to

946
00:44:15,270 --> 00:44:15,280
» for clarifying that what I wanted to

947
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,280
really understand. Second part of the

948
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,359
question was just trying to understand

949
00:44:19,359 --> 00:44:21,760
the definition of new infrastructure.

950
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,160
For example, I think of um some of our

951
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,640
commitments to the Jordan River Trail

952
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:28,240
and some of the assets there and just

953
00:44:28,240 --> 00:44:30,800
thinking about this as a lever um in the

954
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,280
future if we wanted to look at it.

955
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:34,470
>> Yes. So it would have to be

956
00:44:34,470 --> 00:44:34,480
» Yes. So it would have to be

957
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,400
infrastructure. The infrastructure has

958
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:40,480
to last 20 years. Bonds are 20. Our

959
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,040
standard policy, not everyone's policy.

960
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:44,800
Salt Lake City standard policy is a

961
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,040
20-year bond. You could do a 10-year

962
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:48,560
bond. You could do a 20-year. You could

963
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,800
do a 30-year. Now, most assets aren't

964
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:52,560
going to last 30 years. So, I would

965
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:54,240
never recommend doing a 30-year bond

966
00:44:54,240 --> 00:44:56,480
because you want your asset to at least

967
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,720
last as long as your bond, if not

968
00:44:58,720 --> 00:45:01,920
outlast your bond because that would be

969
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:03,920
like, you know, borrowing on a credit

970
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:07,440
card to, right? It's that concept. So,

971
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,119
yes, as long as it's infrastructure,

972
00:45:09,119 --> 00:45:10,640
permanent infrastructure that we can

973
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:14,079
capitalize, we can do that with Jordan

974
00:45:14,079 --> 00:45:16,000
as well.

975
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:19,589
>> Any other questions on sales tax bonds?

976
00:45:19,589 --> 00:45:19,599
» Any other questions on sales tax bonds?

977
00:45:19,599 --> 00:45:20,790
>> Okay. No.

978
00:45:20,790 --> 00:45:20,800
» Okay. No.

979
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:21,910
>> Okay.

980
00:45:21,910 --> 00:45:21,920
» Okay.

981
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:25,040
Next slide, please.

982
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:29,760
So, if we did an impact fee bond, it

983
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:31,920
wouldn't be necessarily an impact fee

984
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:33,920
bond. It would probably be a revenue

985
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:37,520
bond, i.e. a sales tax bond, but I

986
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:40,560
wanted to show you how much the annual

987
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,280
average amount we receive in impact

988
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,160
fees, and this is a 5-year average, and

989
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,960
what the PAR amount could potentially be

990
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,760
for a streets bond, a parks bond, a

991
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,319
police bond, and obviously a fire bond.

992
00:45:54,319 --> 00:45:56,400
We've talked about fire a little bit, as

993
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,760
in we did LBA for two fire stations, and

994
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,640
when we accumulate enough in the impact

995
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,560
fees, we pay the debt service for it.

996
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:06,400
You could also do this with police,

997
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:10,870
parks, and streets.

998
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:13,119
» Can I just chime in with one um just

999
00:46:13,119 --> 00:46:15,359
caution on that? Just a worry I have

1000
00:46:15,359 --> 00:46:17,839
based on um discussions at the state

1001
00:46:17,839 --> 00:46:19,200
legislature that would affect our

1002
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:23,119
ability to charge full impact fees um or

1003
00:46:23,119 --> 00:46:26,240
impact fees in general. Um once we issue

1004
00:46:26,240 --> 00:46:27,920
bonds, the state legislature tends to

1005
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,480
kind of leave it alone. Um, but it

1006
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:32,160
doesn't mean that we wouldn't be

1007
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:36,240
required to supplant um with general

1008
00:46:36,240 --> 00:46:38,319
fund dollars. Um, so I guess I would

1009
00:46:38,319 --> 00:46:40,480
consider that maybe like a riskier

1010
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,040
funding source to rely on. Um, sorry I

1011
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:44,880
wasn't here in person, but when Mary

1012
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:46,640
Beth mentioned the fire stations and

1013
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,040
that fire station impact fees pay for

1014
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:50,640
some years but not all years, I think

1015
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:51,839
that that's a good way to think about

1016
00:46:51,839 --> 00:46:54,160
it. like impact fees are a plus and they

1017
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:58,319
can absolutely offset um uh debt service

1018
00:46:58,319 --> 00:47:01,280
needs but maybe not um on a reliable

1019
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,200
ongoing basis.

1020
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,030
>> And if they changed if the legislature

1021
00:47:05,030 --> 00:47:05,040
» And if they changed if the legislature

1022
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,359
changed those impact fees then the then

1023
00:47:07,359 --> 00:47:08,800
the burden would be on the general fund

1024
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,829
to pay the debt service.

1025
00:47:11,839 --> 00:47:14,800
We could take out a bond for streets for

1026
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:18,079
22 million using our impacts because our

1027
00:47:18,079 --> 00:47:19,599
impact fees would be able to pay off

1028
00:47:19,599 --> 00:47:21,359
that $22 million

1029
00:47:21,359 --> 00:47:22,550
>> in in 20 years

1030
00:47:22,550 --> 00:47:22,560
» in in 20 years

1031
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:24,630
>> in 20 in whenever.

1032
00:47:24,630 --> 00:47:24,640
» in 20 in whenever.

1033
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:24,950
>> Y

1034
00:47:24,950 --> 00:47:24,960
» Y

1035
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:26,710
>> and that would be a 20-year bond.

1036
00:47:26,710 --> 00:47:26,720
» and that would be a 20-year bond.

1037
00:47:26,720 --> 00:47:27,109
>> Correct.

1038
00:47:27,109 --> 00:47:27,119
» Correct.

1039
00:47:27,119 --> 00:47:29,750
>> And and our

1040
00:47:29,750 --> 00:47:29,760
» And and our

1041
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,560
impact uh fees would also we were

1042
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:33,839
assuming that they're also going to go

1043
00:47:33,839 --> 00:47:36,160
up. This is this is 2025 impact fee

1044
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:38,160
money. 1.8 million. This is an average

1045
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:39,520
of five years

1046
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:40,150
>> average of the last five

1047
00:47:40,150 --> 00:47:40,160
» average of the last five

1048
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:41,510
>> of what we've received over the last

1049
00:47:41,510 --> 00:47:41,520
» of what we've received over the last

1050
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:42,079
five years.

1051
00:47:42,079 --> 00:47:44,870
>> Okay. All right. But I think your point

1052
00:47:44,870 --> 00:47:44,880
» Okay. All right. But I think your point

1053
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:46,880
of being cautious on that is because

1054
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:48,480
that basically is using up all your

1055
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,359
impacts for streets for this

1056
00:47:51,359 --> 00:47:53,119
one infrastructure bond if you wanted to

1057
00:47:53,119 --> 00:47:53,599
do it.

1058
00:47:53,599 --> 00:47:57,510
>> You are correct.

1059
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:01,040
» Okay. Next slide please.

1060
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,040
So I've done the exact same thing with

1061
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,599
the fifth of the fifth cache. the fourth

1062
00:48:05,599 --> 00:48:08,720
of the fourth cash and class C cash. We

1063
00:48:08,720 --> 00:48:12,160
have in the past done a class C road

1064
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:17,359
bond. We've um it it expired

1065
00:48:17,359 --> 00:48:19,839
three years ago, I believe. Um but this

1066
00:48:19,839 --> 00:48:21,280
is basically the same thing. We're

1067
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,640
receiving $4 million maximum amount in

1068
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:26,559
cash from class C roads and it would

1069
00:48:26,559 --> 00:48:29,920
create a par of 24690 and this is on a

1070
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:34,000
10-year bond. So it's similar but note

1071
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:35,599
class C is a little bit more stable than

1072
00:48:35,599 --> 00:48:38,000
impact fees in coming in. It comes from

1073
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:39,680
the state and we have done a class C

1074
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:43,839
bond. Now there's general fund always is

1075
00:48:43,839 --> 00:48:46,800
um always has a backing always backs all

1076
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:48,880
of these bonds. So if we didn't get the

1077
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:50,880
$4 million to pay the debt service for

1078
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,200
your class C bond general fund would

1079
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:54,240
have to come up with the funding in

1080
00:48:54,240 --> 00:48:58,000
order to pay that debt service.

1081
00:48:58,000 --> 00:48:59,430
>> I'm Mr. Chair. I'm sorry.

1082
00:48:59,430 --> 00:48:59,440
» I'm Mr. Chair. I'm sorry.

1083
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:00,230
>> Yeah. Go ahead

1084
00:49:00,230 --> 00:49:00,240
» Yeah. Go ahead

1085
00:49:00,240 --> 00:49:03,270
>> on the but in this case we're we're

1086
00:49:03,270 --> 00:49:03,280
» on the but in this case we're we're

1087
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:05,440
probably already using that $1.1 million

1088
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,000
of the fifth the fifth.

1089
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:08,870
>> We are

1090
00:49:08,870 --> 00:49:08,880
» We are

1091
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:10,150
>> we're already we're already spending

1092
00:49:10,150 --> 00:49:10,160
» we're already we're already spending

1093
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,559
that probably somewhere in the streets

1094
00:49:12,559 --> 00:49:13,440
department. I'm

1095
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:15,430
>> you are send you're spending it in CIP.

1096
00:49:15,430 --> 00:49:15,440
» you are send you're spending it in CIP.

1097
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:16,880
You're spending all three of these

1098
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,359
funding sources in CIP currently.

1099
00:49:19,359 --> 00:49:22,309
>> Right. So to bond really we're we're

1100
00:49:22,309 --> 00:49:22,319
» Right. So to bond really we're we're

1101
00:49:22,319 --> 00:49:23,680
already want we already using this

1102
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:28,319
money. So there's really no no reason to

1103
00:49:28,319 --> 00:49:30,319
do a bond because you have to pay

1104
00:49:30,319 --> 00:49:32,160
interest on that bond when we're already

1105
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:33,760
just paying

1106
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:35,349
>> except for it makes more of an impact,

1107
00:49:35,349 --> 00:49:35,359
» except for it makes more of an impact,

1108
00:49:35,359 --> 00:49:37,200
right? So if I could go out and do a $90

1109
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:38,800
million bond on the fourth or the

1110
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:42,640
fourth, right? You could do more sooner

1111
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:44,559
instead of spreading it out

1112
00:49:44,559 --> 00:49:45,910
>> year over year over year over year.

1113
00:49:45,910 --> 00:49:45,920
» year over year over year over year.

1114
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:47,510
>> It' be like a capital investment maybe

1115
00:49:47,510 --> 00:49:47,520
» It' be like a capital investment maybe

1116
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:49,599
instead of ongoing maintenance kind of

1117
00:49:49,599 --> 00:49:50,079
work.

1118
00:49:50,079 --> 00:49:51,430
>> Okay. So it

1119
00:49:51,430 --> 00:49:51,440
» Okay. So it

1120
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:52,790
>> but then we would have to but we would

1121
00:49:52,790 --> 00:49:52,800
» but then we would have to but we would

1122
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:53,839
still have to find the ongoing

1123
00:49:53,839 --> 00:49:56,400
maintenance like I don't know which what

1124
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:57,920
regular maintenance we wouldn't do to

1125
00:49:57,920 --> 00:49:59,839
free that up for a capital investment.

1126
00:49:59,839 --> 00:50:05,109
>> So there could be uses but okay

1127
00:50:05,109 --> 00:50:05,119
» So there could be uses but okay

1128
00:50:05,119 --> 00:50:06,710
>> correct

1129
00:50:06,710 --> 00:50:06,720
» correct

1130
00:50:06,720 --> 00:50:08,559
next slide. I don't think there is

1131
00:50:08,559 --> 00:50:12,319
another slide. I think that's it.

1132
00:50:12,319 --> 00:50:15,280
Um what Mary I think wasn't part of this

1133
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:17,520
fifth of the fifth directed to the

1134
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:19,920
sports entertainment convention and

1135
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:23,040
culture district

1136
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:24,549
>> because I know when the county enacted

1137
00:50:24,549 --> 00:50:24,559
» because I know when the county enacted

1138
00:50:24,559 --> 00:50:24,880
it

1139
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:28,710
>> was they um

1140
00:50:28,710 --> 00:50:28,720
» was they um

1141
00:50:28,720 --> 00:50:30,150
>> they only let us keep a certain

1142
00:50:30,150 --> 00:50:30,160
» they only let us keep a certain

1143
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:30,800
percentage.

1144
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:32,950
>> It was let me and I'll confirm that make

1145
00:50:32,950 --> 00:50:32,960
» It was let me and I'll confirm that make

1146
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:35,040
sure what that number is the accurate

1147
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,280
number for that. Um, and then the other

1148
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:39,200
one that I'll just bring to your

1149
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:42,319
attention is you could, if you wanted

1150
00:50:42,319 --> 00:50:45,680
to, do an SAA bond. We have never done

1151
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,559
an SAA bond in Salt Lake City, but you

1152
00:50:48,559 --> 00:50:51,119
could do an SAA bond for infrastructure

1153
00:50:51,119 --> 00:50:54,240
as well.

1154
00:50:54,240 --> 00:50:56,870
>> Special assessment. Special assessment

1155
00:50:56,870 --> 00:50:56,880
» Special assessment. Special assessment

1156
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:00,640
area. It's a way to um leverage

1157
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:03,200
additional property taxes paid by people

1158
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:05,359
in the SAA to have an upfront

1159
00:51:05,359 --> 00:51:07,520
improvement. Actually, it's very similar

1160
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:09,520
to the public infrastructure districts

1161
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,160
funding tool that now developers can

1162
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:15,440
use. So, it's just um like a a tax levy

1163
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:17,520
on people within the SAA.

1164
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:20,150
>> So,

1165
00:51:20,150 --> 00:51:20,160
» So,

1166
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:23,589
>> that you mon that you monetize upfront a

1167
00:51:23,589 --> 00:51:23,599
» that you mon that you monetize upfront a

1168
00:51:23,599 --> 00:51:25,680
um a stream of payments. So essentially

1169
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:27,119
it's a stream of revenue that you

1170
00:51:27,119 --> 00:51:29,520
monetize by having it up front.

1171
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,390
>> But in that case would have to be that

1172
00:51:32,390 --> 00:51:32,400
» But in that case would have to be that

1173
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:33,920
case you would have to be used in that

1174
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,640
special SA district.

1175
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:37,430
>> That's correct.

1176
00:51:37,430 --> 00:51:37,440
» That's correct.

1177
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:38,230
>> Okay.

1178
00:51:38,230 --> 00:51:38,240
» Okay.

1179
00:51:38,240 --> 00:51:39,910
>> But there may be but there may be an

1180
00:51:39,910 --> 00:51:39,920
» But there may be but there may be an

1181
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,079
area or a time when you say you know

1182
00:51:42,079 --> 00:51:44,480
what we really need an SAA bond for

1183
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:45,920
this. Right. It could be street

1184
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:47,839
improvements. It could be

1185
00:51:47,839 --> 00:51:49,990
>> other infrastructures that that are

1186
00:51:49,990 --> 00:51:50,000
» other infrastructures that that are

1187
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,160
needed in a growing area that you could

1188
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:54,640
potentially consider an SAA. We actually

1189
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:56,880
um the city proposed it to install the

1190
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:59,920
improvements along North Temple um all

1191
00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:02,319
of the sidewalk improvements and the

1192
00:52:02,319 --> 00:52:04,240
enhanced lighting and things like that.

1193
00:52:04,240 --> 00:52:06,880
The SAA was ultimately not approved by

1194
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:08,880
the property owners. If you remember SAA

1195
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:10,559
law requires

1196
00:52:10,559 --> 00:52:14,230
>> more than well it allows for 40% of the

1197
00:52:14,230 --> 00:52:14,240
» more than well it allows for 40% of the

1198
00:52:14,240 --> 00:52:16,960
property owners to protest and if 40% or

1199
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:18,800
more protests the city is not allowed to

1200
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:20,720
do an SAA. So the city ended up doing I

1201
00:52:20,720 --> 00:52:22,480
think we did a sales tax bond for the

1202
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:23,520
North Temple one. Yeah.

1203
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:24,150
>> Y

1204
00:52:24,150 --> 00:52:24,160
» Y

1205
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:27,270
>> So, um it's a it's a funding tool that

1206
00:52:27,270 --> 00:52:27,280
» So, um it's a it's a funding tool that

1207
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:29,599
comes with a little more strings. Um

1208
00:52:29,599 --> 00:52:30,640
yeah,

1209
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:33,196
>> it does.

1210
00:52:33,196 --> 00:52:33,206
» it does.

1211
00:52:33,206 --> 00:52:33,440
[snorts]

1212
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:36,069
>> Any other questions on bonds?

1213
00:52:36,069 --> 00:52:36,079
» Any other questions on bonds?

1214
00:52:36,079 --> 00:52:39,109
>> Just

1215
00:52:39,119 --> 00:52:40,800
along those same lines, I just wanted to

1216
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:42,800
make the point on the geo bonds. Even

1217
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:44,640
though we would have free freed up

1218
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:47,280
capacity and could bond without raising

1219
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:48,800
taxes, you would still have to go to the

1220
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:50,000
voters

1221
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:51,990
>> and they would have to approve that,

1222
00:52:51,990 --> 00:52:52,000
» and they would have to approve that,

1223
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:52,720
right? So

1224
00:52:52,720 --> 00:52:54,870
>> the the other ones, the sales tax bonds,

1225
00:52:54,870 --> 00:52:54,880
» the the other ones, the sales tax bonds,

1226
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:56,160
we we just approve that.

1227
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:56,870
>> Correct.

1228
00:52:56,870 --> 00:52:56,880
» Correct.

1229
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:57,750
>> The council does.

1230
00:52:57,750 --> 00:52:57,760
» The council does.

1231
00:52:57,760 --> 00:52:58,150
>> Yep.

1232
00:52:58,150 --> 00:52:58,160
» Yep.

1233
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,470
>> And the the other bonds, the fifth, the

1234
00:53:00,470 --> 00:53:00,480
» And the the other bonds, the fifth, the

1235
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,079
fifth, that's automatically comes from

1236
00:53:02,079 --> 00:53:03,119
us from the uh

1237
00:53:03,119 --> 00:53:04,950
>> Yeah. So what you would do is you do a

1238
00:53:04,950 --> 00:53:04,960
» Yeah. So what you would do is you do a

1239
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:07,040
sales tax bond and but you would

1240
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:08,720
obligate the funding from the fifth, the

1241
00:53:08,720 --> 00:53:10,079
fifth, the quarter, the quarter or the

1242
00:53:10,079 --> 00:53:10,640
class C.

1243
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:12,069
>> Got you do a sales tax bond, but it's

1244
00:53:12,069 --> 00:53:12,079
» Got you do a sales tax bond, but it's

1245
00:53:12,079 --> 00:53:13,440
obligated from the funding would come

1246
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,520
from the fifth, the fifth or the quarter

1247
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:16,000
to quarter.

1248
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:17,829
>> Correct. Just like just like the impact

1249
00:53:17,829 --> 00:53:17,839
» Correct. Just like just like the impact

1250
00:53:17,839 --> 00:53:20,000
fees. Yeah. It would be a sales revenue

1251
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,640
bond is more generic than say sales tax

1252
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:23,040
bond.

1253
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:27,670
>> Okay. Okay.

1254
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:28,559
» Any other questions?

1255
00:53:28,559 --> 00:53:29,510
>> I don't think so.

1256
00:53:29,510 --> 00:53:29,520
» I don't think so.

1257
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:30,630
>> Okay. Thank you.

1258
00:53:30,630 --> 00:53:30,640
» Okay. Thank you.

1259
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:32,390
>> Thank you. Jill, you might want to just

1260
00:53:32,390 --> 00:53:32,400
» Thank you. Jill, you might want to just

1261
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:34,400
stay up here because I think the next

1262
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:36,160
part of this is the space.

1263
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:38,790
>> I've got great news. This is Tammy.

1264
00:53:38,790 --> 00:53:38,800
» I've got great news. This is Tammy.

1265
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:42,069
>> Oh, that is exciting. Well, I just

1266
00:53:42,069 --> 00:53:42,079
» Oh, that is exciting. Well, I just

1267
00:53:42,079 --> 00:53:44,960
really want you at that table. So, but

1268
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,119
okay.

1269
00:53:47,119 --> 00:53:49,842
Um, Tammy and Jorge, come on up.

1270
00:53:49,842 --> 00:53:50,400
[snorts]

1271
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:59,910
>> Okay. Yeah, come on down just for fun.

1272
00:53:59,920 --> 00:54:04,710
» Okay.

1273
00:54:04,720 --> 00:54:07,200
» A motion.

1274
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,190
>> Are we doing

1275
00:54:09,190 --> 00:54:09,200
» Are we doing

1276
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:10,710
>> There was a part.

1277
00:54:10,710 --> 00:54:10,720
» There was a part.

1278
00:54:10,720 --> 00:54:11,990
>> Okay. If there's anything for open

1279
00:54:11,990 --> 00:54:12,000
» Okay. If there's anything for open

1280
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,400
session.

1281
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:18,549
>> Oh. Oh. Oh. Okay. I didn't know that

1282
00:54:18,549 --> 00:54:18,559
» Oh. Oh. Oh. Okay. I didn't know that

1283
00:54:18,559 --> 00:54:21,359
part was okay. Well, then I will look

1284
00:54:21,359 --> 00:54:25,359
for um a motion. We The request is to go

1285
00:54:25,359 --> 00:54:27,440
into close session for the purpose of

1286
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:29,760
discussing strategy

1287
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:31,599
um to purchase, exchange or lease real

1288
00:54:31,599 --> 00:54:33,839
property and attorney client matters.

1289
00:54:33,839 --> 00:54:36,240
So, I'll look for a motion. Oh, and then

1290
00:54:36,240 --> 00:54:41,040
but this is part of it. Is that

1291
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:42,000
okay?

1292
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:43,270
>> Mr. Mr. Chair, I move that we enter

1293
00:54:43,270 --> 00:54:43,280
» Mr. Mr. Chair, I move that we enter

1294
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:45,359
close session for the purpose of a

1295
00:54:45,359 --> 00:54:47,359
strategy session to discuss the

1296
00:54:47,359 --> 00:54:48,880
purchase, exchange, or lease of real

1297
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:51,599
property and to receive attorney client

1298
00:54:51,599 --> 00:54:52,960
advice.

1299
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:54,309
>> Second.

1300
00:54:54,309 --> 00:54:54,319
» Second.

1301
00:54:54,319 --> 00:54:55,910
>> I have a motion from Council Member Mono

1302
00:54:55,910 --> 00:54:55,920
» I have a motion from Council Member Mono

1303
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:57,760
and a second from Council Member Lopez

1304
00:54:57,760 --> 00:54:59,520
Chavez. We'll go ahead and roll call it.

1305
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:00,400
Council member Dugan.

1306
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:00,790
>> Yes.

1307
00:55:00,790 --> 00:55:00,800
» Yes.

1308
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:01,670
>> Lopez Chavez.

1309
00:55:01,670 --> 00:55:01,680
» Lopez Chavez.

1310
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:02,470
>> I.

1311
00:55:02,470 --> 00:55:02,480
» I.

1312
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:04,390
>> Um Mono,

1313
00:55:04,390 --> 00:55:04,400
» Um Mono,

1314
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:04,950
>> I.

1315
00:55:04,950 --> 00:55:04,960
» I.

1316
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:05,910
>> Young

1317
00:55:05,910 --> 00:55:05,920
» Young

1318
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:06,390
>> I.

1319
00:55:06,390 --> 00:55:06,400
» I.

1320
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:11,349
>> And I am an I as well. That is um 5 to

1321
00:55:11,349 --> 00:55:11,359
» And I am an I as well. That is um 5 to

1322
00:55:11,359 --> 00:55:14,559
uh zero with two council members absent.

1323
00:55:14,559 --> 00:55:17,920
We are in close session. If you're not

1324
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:19,760
um here for this item specifically, if

1325
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:21,520
you wouldn't mind just stepping out into

1326
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:23,520
the hall while we have this discussion

1327
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:30,703
real quick.

1328
00:55:30,713 --> 00:55:35,288
[music]

1329
00:55:35,298 --> 00:55:43,803
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1330
00:55:43,813 --> 00:56:13,510
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1331
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:21,139
» Heat. Heat. [music]

1332
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1333
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1334
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1335
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:17,469
» Heat.

1336
00:57:17,479 --> 00:57:31,589
[music]

1337
00:57:31,599 --> 00:57:35,809
Hey, Heat.

1338
00:57:35,819 --> 00:57:41,704
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1339
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» [music]

1340
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1341
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» Heat. Heat.

1342
01:00:15,641 --> 01:00:24,146
» [music]

1343
01:00:24,156 --> 01:02:32,000
[music]

1344
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:35,803
>> Heat. Hey. Hey. Hey.

1345
01:02:35,813 --> 01:02:44,318
» [music]

1346
01:02:44,328 --> 01:03:31,510
[music]

1347
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:36,718
» Heat. Heat.

1348
01:03:36,728 --> 01:04:08,159
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1349
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» Hey

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honey.

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» [music]

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>> Heat.

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Heat. [music]

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» Hey,

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honey.

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» [music]

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» Heat. Heat.

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» Hey.

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» Hey, hey, hey.

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» Heat. Heat.

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» Hey,

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honey.

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» Hey,

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hey, hey.

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» Hey, hey, hey.

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Heat. Hey, Heat.

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» [music]

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» Hey

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honey.

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>> Hey,

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» Heat.

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Hey. Hey. Hey.

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» [music]

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» We're on agenda item number four, which

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is a public safety plan update. And for

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this we have Michael from our office and

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then also Chief Red. So, uh, come on

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down.

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» And so, Michael, you've wanted to just

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introduce this and then hand it over to

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the chief. We'll do. Okay. So, thanks,

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council. Also, in January of 2025, Mayor

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Menhal released the public safety plan.

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[snorts]

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And now, Chief Red will provide us with

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an update regarding progress made on the

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plan and some other relevant public

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safety initiatives.

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» Well, thank you, Mr. Chair and Council.

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It's good to be with all of you. uh and

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and you know anytime I have an

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opportunity I just want to say thank you

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for the all the support the uh budget

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increase this year and and just all of

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the support that uh and the availability

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that you give us. So thank you. Um yeah

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we love to just kind of update you on

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what's happening in the department

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currently. Uh we we've recently

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presented this to the federal delegation

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into some and other other in other

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meetings. So it'd be great to go to the

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next slide and we'll just get started.

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Uh these are kind of the the areas that

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we're going to just quickly highlight.

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Um high our high utilizer overview or

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connect program crime patterns and

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mitigation enforcement and staffing. Go

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next slide.

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You know upon arrival here at Salt Lake

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City and even prior to to working here

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when I was with the Department of Public

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Safety, you know, one of the challenges

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that we always face are are high

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utilizers of the criminal justice and

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social services system. And when we got

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here as part of the public safety plan,

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the mayor had uh pulled together a

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policy group to address these high

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utilizers. And we formed the connect

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list and and the Salt Lake City Police

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Department dedicated two full social

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workers full-time to the 50 top

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individuals in the in the uh community

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that have encounters with Salt Lake City

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Police Department. It could be an

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arrest, a citation, it could just be a

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call for service to help them. But the

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50 people that were most contacted by

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Salt Lake City, if you go to the next,

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well, before I go to the next slide, you

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can see some of the partners involved in

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this collaboration. And we meet on a

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regular basis uh under the mayor's

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direction as a policy group with these

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partners and then there's a lot of work

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groups and and conversations that are

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going on in between the main meetings.

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But it's an amazing collaboration

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uh that's occurring as we really work to

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resolve the issues of these individuals

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on the on the connect list. If you'll go

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to the next slide,

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you [clears throat] can see here uh on

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the right are the 50 individuals. Their

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names aren't there obviously for privacy

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reasons, but you can see the the number

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of encounters. So, you can see some of

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these individuals have 37 warrants, uh

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74 warrants, uh 14 jail bookings, 16

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jail bookings in a one-year period. And

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so, this is taking a lot of police

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resources, fire resources, uh justice

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court resources.

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>> Go to just to put the flowers up.

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» Go to just to put the flowers up.

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>> Yeah.

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» Yeah.

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>> Welcome, Greg. So,

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» Welcome, Greg. So,

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>> thank you so much.

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So, um, we'll just keep going. So,

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coming together to try to get to the

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underlying issues on these individuals.

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Most of these individuals are

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misdemeanor, misdemeanor population,

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trespassings, uh, you know, drug use,

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uh, things that are mostly misdemeanors

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and and, uh, they have mo most of them

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have, if not all of them have serious

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mental illness uh, and behavior

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01:48:12,719 --> 01:48:14,239
behavioral health issues and and

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substance use issues. If you'll go to

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the next slide.

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Uh, one of the first things that we did

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in in the population with this

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01:48:22,000 --> 01:48:24,239
population is is put together this one

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page pager. You can look to the right of

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01:48:26,400 --> 01:48:28,960
the screen. That's the one pager that we

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01:48:28,960 --> 01:48:31,360
provided to our police officers uh to

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01:48:31,360 --> 01:48:32,639
say, "Hey, look, when you encounter

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01:48:32,639 --> 01:48:35,520
these individuals, you may you may be

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01:48:35,520 --> 01:48:37,920
taking them to jail and that may be

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01:48:37,920 --> 01:48:39,920
appropriate, but there are other things

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01:48:39,920 --> 01:48:42,000
that you can do as well. um you can

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01:48:42,000 --> 01:48:44,159
refer them to the mental health the

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01:48:44,159 --> 01:48:46,880
Huntsman crisis mental uh crisis center

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01:48:46,880 --> 01:48:48,400
you know if they're homeless we worked

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01:48:48,400 --> 01:48:50,159
with the road home and the state

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01:48:50,159 --> 01:48:52,000
homeless board and you see the QR code

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01:48:52,000 --> 01:48:54,320
on the right uh they've given Salt Lake

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01:48:54,320 --> 01:48:56,800
City some priority beds at the at the

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01:48:56,800 --> 01:48:59,119
weekend center so if people need a place

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01:48:59,119 --> 01:49:01,119
to go we can take them there and they

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01:49:01,119 --> 01:49:02,480
get stabilized there and then they get

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01:49:02,480 --> 01:49:05,360
moved to more more a better like one of

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01:49:05,360 --> 01:49:07,360
the resource centers

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01:49:07,360 --> 01:49:09,840
uh or if intoxication's a factor we we

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01:49:09,840 --> 01:49:11,520
can we don't have to necessarily arrest

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01:49:11,520 --> 01:49:13,520
them and take them to jail on a on a on

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01:49:13,520 --> 01:49:15,199
a misdemeanor, but we can take them to

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01:49:15,199 --> 01:49:17,440
to the VA or to the Huntsman Mental

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01:49:17,440 --> 01:49:19,679
Health Institute to detox. And so, we're

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01:49:19,679 --> 01:49:21,520
trying to give our officers tools and

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01:49:21,520 --> 01:49:24,239
how we help uh these individuals. Next

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01:49:24,239 --> 01:49:28,070
slide.

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Um this just kind of this is a a top

1564
01:49:30,719 --> 01:49:32,719
this is kind of an overview of these top

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01:49:32,719 --> 01:49:34,960
50 individuals. This was put together by

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Salt Lake County Criminal Justice

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01:49:36,960 --> 01:49:40,239
Services. Um, you can see most of the

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01:49:40,239 --> 01:49:42,400
interactions with these 50 individuals

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01:49:42,400 --> 01:49:44,159
occur in Salt Lake City, though they do

1570
01:49:44,159 --> 01:49:47,119
move around the valley. Uh, you can see

1571
01:49:47,119 --> 01:49:49,119
the types of crimes uh that we're

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01:49:49,119 --> 01:49:50,560
dealing with, as I mentioned earlier,

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01:49:50,560 --> 01:49:53,520
drugs, trespassing, homelessness

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01:49:53,520 --> 01:49:57,679
related, um, public order crimes.

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01:49:57,679 --> 01:50:00,639
Uh, if you go down, let's see. Well, if

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01:50:00,639 --> 01:50:02,080
you look to the upper right on the

1577
01:50:02,080 --> 01:50:04,400
chart, you can see starting in 2022 the

1578
01:50:04,400 --> 01:50:06,800
number of events that our officers were

1579
01:50:06,800 --> 01:50:08,159
having with these individuals. And you

1580
01:50:08,159 --> 01:50:11,840
can see from 2022, it's just escalated.

1581
01:50:11,840 --> 01:50:16,080
And it and it peaked um in in 2020,

1582
01:50:16,080 --> 01:50:19,040
early 2025, late 2024, early 2025. And

1583
01:50:19,040 --> 01:50:21,440
you can see the drop down. And the drop

1584
01:50:21,440 --> 01:50:23,199
down is because of the interventions

1585
01:50:23,199 --> 01:50:25,040
that we're, you know, we're now putting

1586
01:50:25,040 --> 01:50:28,159
in place. uh starting in April is when

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01:50:28,159 --> 01:50:29,360
we started working on the connect

1588
01:50:29,360 --> 01:50:31,119
program. So some of these individuals

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01:50:31,119 --> 01:50:33,040
are currently incarcerated. Some of them

1590
01:50:33,040 --> 01:50:35,840
we've been able to get into shelter uh

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01:50:35,840 --> 01:50:37,760
getting into get them into treatment. If

1592
01:50:37,760 --> 01:50:40,639
you go to the next slide,

1593
01:50:40,639 --> 01:50:41,920
you can just see how the number of

1594
01:50:41,920 --> 01:50:45,280
interactions starting in January

1595
01:50:45,280 --> 01:50:49,360
24 on the far left uh to April 25 when

1596
01:50:49,360 --> 01:50:50,800
they peaked. And then you can see after

1597
01:50:50,800 --> 01:50:52,560
the connect list, you can see the number

1598
01:50:52,560 --> 01:50:55,520
of citations, bookings have gone down,

1599
01:50:55,520 --> 01:50:58,159
which frees up capacity in the justice

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01:50:58,159 --> 01:50:59,920
court system. It frees up police and

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01:50:59,920 --> 01:51:04,000
fire resources. Um, you know, so the key

1602
01:51:04,000 --> 01:51:06,480
is if if if the individuals are

1603
01:51:06,480 --> 01:51:09,040
incarcerated or in jail, like we need to

1604
01:51:09,040 --> 01:51:10,800
then get to them to at the jail and get

1605
01:51:10,800 --> 01:51:12,560
them start getting getting them on a on

1606
01:51:12,560 --> 01:51:14,960
a getting getting them assessed on a

1607
01:51:14,960 --> 01:51:17,040
treatment plan and then ensuring that we

1608
01:51:17,040 --> 01:51:18,239
release them to a better environment,

1609
01:51:18,239 --> 01:51:19,760
but we're having some success with this

1610
01:51:19,760 --> 01:51:23,040
top 50. There are gaps in the system.

1611
01:51:23,040 --> 01:51:25,679
Um, we're we're identifying gaps in

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01:51:25,679 --> 01:51:27,840
disability services,

1613
01:51:27,840 --> 01:51:31,520
uh, gaps in and in reporting procedures

1614
01:51:31,520 --> 01:51:33,520
and in how we share information. The

1615
01:51:33,520 --> 01:51:35,760
justice court judges uh, have indicated

1616
01:51:35,760 --> 01:51:37,199
that they don't have all the information

1617
01:51:37,199 --> 01:51:38,800
on these individuals. They're focusing

1618
01:51:38,800 --> 01:51:41,920
maybe on the charge at hand and not

1619
01:51:41,920 --> 01:51:43,520
seeing the broader picture. So, we're

1620
01:51:43,520 --> 01:51:44,960
working on all of those things

1621
01:51:44,960 --> 01:51:48,239
currently. Next slide.

1622
01:51:48,239 --> 01:51:50,480
But you can see overall since we started

1623
01:51:50,480 --> 01:51:53,840
the connect program, uh, arrests for

1624
01:51:53,840 --> 01:51:56,800
these individuals are down 28.4%. So

1625
01:51:56,800 --> 01:51:59,199
that's good news.

1626
01:51:59,199 --> 01:52:04,629
Um, next slide.

1627
01:52:04,639 --> 01:52:06,159
Of the individuals not currently

1628
01:52:06,159 --> 01:52:10,000
incarcerated, 14 have not been or

1629
01:52:10,000 --> 01:52:12,000
arrested arrested or cited in the last

1630
01:52:12,000 --> 01:52:13,760
three months. So, so even even though

1631
01:52:13,760 --> 01:52:16,960
many of them have been put in jail and

1632
01:52:16,960 --> 01:52:18,800
are are hopefully getting the help there

1633
01:52:18,800 --> 01:52:20,800
that they need, many of them are not

1634
01:52:20,800 --> 01:52:22,800
being put in jail. And it's interesting

1635
01:52:22,800 --> 01:52:24,320
to talk to our director of behavioral

1636
01:52:24,320 --> 01:52:26,960
health, but she will she will tell the

1637
01:52:26,960 --> 01:52:29,520
story that one of these individuals

1638
01:52:29,520 --> 01:52:32,239
uh uh they the social worker had

1639
01:52:32,239 --> 01:52:33,599
mentioned, you're you're you're the

1640
01:52:33,599 --> 01:52:36,320
number one uh person on the connect

1641
01:52:36,320 --> 01:52:37,520
list. You have more involvements with

1642
01:52:37,520 --> 01:52:39,119
Salt Lake City Police than any other

1643
01:52:39,119 --> 01:52:41,760
person. and that it motivate motivated

1644
01:52:41,760 --> 01:52:43,840
that individual to start bringing those

1645
01:52:43,840 --> 01:52:46,560
interactions down. So just having good

1646
01:52:46,560 --> 01:52:48,080
communication and collaboration with

1647
01:52:48,080 --> 01:52:50,000
these individuals is is making a

1648
01:52:50,000 --> 01:52:52,159
difference. Um

1649
01:52:52,159 --> 01:52:57,189
anyway, next slide.

1650
01:52:57,199 --> 01:52:59,760
this uh these heat maps. Uh I I'll when

1651
01:52:59,760 --> 01:53:01,920
when we started uh like when I got here

1652
01:53:01,920 --> 01:53:04,400
to the Salt Lake City Police Department,

1653
01:53:04,400 --> 01:53:06,639
uh you know, I went out on the second

1654
01:53:06,639 --> 01:53:08,400
week to the Jordan River Trail and what

1655
01:53:08,400 --> 01:53:10,000
we saw happening on the Jordan River

1656
01:53:10,000 --> 01:53:11,920
Trail was just uh it was it was

1657
01:53:11,920 --> 01:53:13,520
unacceptable. I mean, we had children

1658
01:53:13,520 --> 01:53:16,960
walking through drug deals and through,

1659
01:53:16,960 --> 01:53:18,639
you know, needles and all kinds of

1660
01:53:18,639 --> 01:53:20,159
things going on. It was it was it had

1661
01:53:20,159 --> 01:53:22,480
gone past homelessness to to a very

1662
01:53:22,480 --> 01:53:24,719
criminogenic location.

1663
01:53:24,719 --> 01:53:29,119
And so we in with you know under the

1664
01:53:29,119 --> 01:53:30,639
direction of the mayor with her support

1665
01:53:30,639 --> 01:53:32,400
we closed the Jordan River Trail to do

1666
01:53:32,400 --> 01:53:34,320
some remediation but it gave the it gave

1667
01:53:34,320 --> 01:53:37,280
the the the the river a break. But you

1668
01:53:37,280 --> 01:53:39,360
can see on the far left the this is a

1669
01:53:39,360 --> 01:53:41,440
heat map of homeless related calls for

1670
01:53:41,440 --> 01:53:44,480
service. You can see on the left uh the

1671
01:53:44,480 --> 01:53:46,400
Jordan River and all the yellow and then

1672
01:53:46,400 --> 01:53:48,320
you can see the bright yellow spot to

1673
01:53:48,320 --> 01:53:49,679
the right of that. That's North Temple

1674
01:53:49,679 --> 01:53:52,000
and 800 West. And then you can see the

1675
01:53:52,000 --> 01:53:53,360
rest of the city and there's some red

1676
01:53:53,360 --> 01:53:54,880
and blue. These are homeless related

1677
01:53:54,880 --> 01:53:58,000
calls for service. Um

1678
01:53:58,000 --> 01:54:00,560
this is the the first one the the the

1679
01:54:00,560 --> 01:54:02,480
chart on the left March 20th through

1680
01:54:02,480 --> 01:54:04,320
April 2nd was that was the heat map for

1681
01:54:04,320 --> 01:54:07,440
March 20th through April 2nd. We started

1682
01:54:07,440 --> 01:54:09,440
utilizing these maps on a weekly basis

1683
01:54:09,440 --> 01:54:12,320
to put resources and locations of calls

1684
01:54:12,320 --> 01:54:15,199
for service. You can see how it shifted

1685
01:54:15,199 --> 01:54:17,520
um on August 11 through 17. in the

1686
01:54:17,520 --> 01:54:19,920
middle chart. This is at the at the peak

1687
01:54:19,920 --> 01:54:24,800
of summer prior uh just prior to um our

1688
01:54:24,800 --> 01:54:27,119
operation safe streets where we surged

1689
01:54:27,119 --> 01:54:28,800
some additional police resources into

1690
01:54:28,800 --> 01:54:30,960
the city with our partners from uh

1691
01:54:30,960 --> 01:54:33,520
Department of Natural Resources, DPS, uh

1692
01:54:33,520 --> 01:54:35,360
Unified came up and helped for a short

1693
01:54:35,360 --> 01:54:38,480
time and UTA. You can see how things had

1694
01:54:38,480 --> 01:54:40,159
shifted away from the Jordan River but

1695
01:54:40,159 --> 01:54:41,760
to other parts of the city. this

1696
01:54:41,760 --> 01:54:45,520
downtown ballpark and and uh Fairmont

1697
01:54:45,520 --> 01:54:48,080
Park. You can see all have yellow spots.

1698
01:54:48,080 --> 01:54:50,960
After our surge in operation uh in

1699
01:54:50,960 --> 01:54:53,920
November uh we move to the right chart

1700
01:54:53,920 --> 01:54:56,000
and you see November 10th through 16th.

1701
01:54:56,000 --> 01:54:58,000
You can see the heat map. We've cooled

1702
01:54:58,000 --> 01:54:59,920
the whole city down on homeless related

1703
01:54:59,920 --> 01:55:02,000
calls for service except for central

1704
01:55:02,000 --> 01:55:03,440
divisions got a little a little

1705
01:55:03,440 --> 01:55:05,679
persistent spot that we are aware of and

1706
01:55:05,679 --> 01:55:07,920
and trying to work on. I've seen the

1707
01:55:07,920 --> 01:55:10,719
most recent as of this week and we don't

1708
01:55:10,719 --> 01:55:12,719
have any yellow as of this week on the

1709
01:55:12,719 --> 01:55:14,560
chart. Now, some of that is driven by

1710
01:55:14,560 --> 01:55:17,360
cool cold weather, but also the March

1711
01:55:17,360 --> 01:55:20,560
20th uh also is a is a was a was prior

1712
01:55:20,560 --> 01:55:23,760
to kind of the warmup and and so we we

1713
01:55:23,760 --> 01:55:25,040
think we're making some progress, but

1714
01:55:25,040 --> 01:55:27,679
this is kind of how we track uh what's

1715
01:55:27,679 --> 01:55:29,280
happening on the on the streets with

1716
01:55:29,280 --> 01:55:31,440
homeless related calls. Okay, next

1717
01:55:31,440 --> 01:55:34,550
slide.

1718
01:55:34,560 --> 01:55:36,159
I just want to highlight our our crime

1719
01:55:36,159 --> 01:55:41,189
stats. Um, as of

1720
01:55:41,199 --> 01:55:42,800
I'm sorry, I'm looking for the date on

1721
01:55:42,800 --> 01:55:45,599
this. 128 it looks like. Is that right?

1722
01:55:45,599 --> 01:55:47,280
Yeah, 128. So, this was Yes, as of

1723
01:55:47,280 --> 01:55:51,040
yesterday. If you look at the um the bar

1724
01:55:51,040 --> 01:55:53,599
chart on the bottom right, you can see

1725
01:55:53,599 --> 01:55:56,800
that overall crime, the blue is property

1726
01:55:56,800 --> 01:55:58,560
crime, the red is is violent crime. You

1727
01:55:58,560 --> 01:56:00,800
can see overall we're to the lowest

1728
01:56:00,800 --> 01:56:03,520
level in, you know, over however many

1729
01:56:03,520 --> 01:56:06,000
years that is, eight years in the city.

1730
01:56:06,000 --> 01:56:09,119
So crime is down overall in the city um

1731
01:56:09,119 --> 01:56:11,760
to its lowest level in over eight years.

1732
01:56:11,760 --> 01:56:13,360
If you look at if you go up from there

1733
01:56:13,360 --> 01:56:15,840
and you look on the the the the bottom

1734
01:56:15,840 --> 01:56:18,159
right corner of the chart above the bar

1735
01:56:18,159 --> 01:56:21,360
chart, you see the 11.5%

1736
01:56:21,360 --> 01:56:24,159
at the very bottom right. That's overall

1737
01:56:24,159 --> 01:56:26,480
crime the past three years. So on a

1738
01:56:26,480 --> 01:56:28,159
three-year average, crime is down 11 and

1739
01:56:28,159 --> 01:56:30,400
a half% in the city. You can see it's

1740
01:56:30,400 --> 01:56:32,639
down. If you go up from there, property

1741
01:56:32,639 --> 01:56:36,000
crime is down 12. It's hard to see these

1742
01:56:36,000 --> 01:56:39,440
numbers on the screen. 12% and 0.4% for

1743
01:56:39,440 --> 01:56:41,679
violent crime. If you go up from there,

1744
01:56:41,679 --> 01:56:44,239
so we're doing we're doing good on the

1745
01:56:44,239 --> 01:56:46,639
crime reduction in the city. If you look

1746
01:56:46,639 --> 01:56:48,159
at the Thank you. If you look at the

1747
01:56:48,159 --> 01:56:50,480
one-year, which is to the left of the

1748
01:56:50,480 --> 01:56:54,320
three-year average, you see the 4.6%.

1749
01:56:54,320 --> 01:56:56,239
That's that's how much crime is down

1750
01:56:56,239 --> 01:56:59,679
overall in 2025. 4.6%.

1751
01:56:59,679 --> 01:57:03,040
Uh 5.5% for property crime. Violent

1752
01:57:03,040 --> 01:57:06,639
crime is up 1.2% this year and it's

1753
01:57:06,639 --> 01:57:10,800
driven uh primarily by uh rape, sexual

1754
01:57:10,800 --> 01:57:14,880
assault. Now, it's up significantly.

1755
01:57:14,880 --> 01:57:18,239
We're hoping that sexual assault and

1756
01:57:18,239 --> 01:57:19,760
rape aren't up. What we're hoping is

1757
01:57:19,760 --> 01:57:22,159
that more reporting is occurring. And we

1758
01:57:22,159 --> 01:57:23,760
just recently met with the Rape Recovery

1759
01:57:23,760 --> 01:57:25,199
Center and they've not seen a necess

1760
01:57:25,199 --> 01:57:26,719
they haven't necessar they told us they

1761
01:57:26,719 --> 01:57:28,239
haven't necessarily seen a surge in

1762
01:57:28,239 --> 01:57:31,440
clients. So, we're hoping that there is

1763
01:57:31,440 --> 01:57:32,880
more reporting going on. We do know

1764
01:57:32,880 --> 01:57:34,560
there's more reporting going on jail,

1765
01:57:34,560 --> 01:57:36,000
but we also know we're arresting at a

1766
01:57:36,000 --> 01:57:38,000
higher rate this year, and we think and

1767
01:57:38,000 --> 01:57:39,280
there's a lot of reporting that is

1768
01:57:39,280 --> 01:57:44,629
happening at the jail, which um is good.

1769
01:57:44,639 --> 01:57:46,000
The last thing I'll point out on this

1770
01:57:46,000 --> 01:57:48,159
chart is if you look over to the bar

1771
01:57:48,159 --> 01:57:51,119
chart on the bottom left, you'll see the

1772
01:57:51,119 --> 01:57:54,560
2025 bar. This is the week of December

1773
01:57:54,560 --> 01:57:57,520
1st through 7th. We had 111 total

1774
01:57:57,520 --> 01:58:00,320
reported crimes for that for the week of

1775
01:58:00,320 --> 01:58:01,920
December 1st through 2nd across the

1776
01:58:01,920 --> 01:58:04,719
city. In 2024,

1777
01:58:04,719 --> 01:58:08,560
we had this this week uh last year 211

1778
01:58:08,560 --> 01:58:11,520
and on a three-year average uh we it was

1779
01:58:11,520 --> 01:58:14,639
242 crimes. So crime is significantly

1780
01:58:14,639 --> 01:58:17,119
down at least this week uh the first

1781
01:58:17,119 --> 01:58:19,280
week of December this year. So we hope

1782
01:58:19,280 --> 01:58:23,119
that that uh that trend continues um you

1783
01:58:23,119 --> 01:58:26,320
know as we as we move along into 2026

1784
01:58:26,320 --> 01:58:28,639
any I we can go to the next slide we can

1785
01:58:28,639 --> 01:58:30,000
do question is if there's no questions

1786
01:58:30,000 --> 01:58:32,000
on this we can we can move forward and

1787
01:58:32,000 --> 01:58:36,790
go to the next slide

1788
01:58:36,800 --> 01:58:38,639
» you can see this

1789
01:58:38,639 --> 01:58:40,070
>> chief sorry to interrupt you we have one

1790
01:58:40,070 --> 01:58:40,080
» chief sorry to interrupt you we have one

1791
01:58:40,080 --> 01:58:40,480
question from

1792
01:58:40,480 --> 01:58:41,589
>> I thought you were grabbing your

1793
01:58:41,589 --> 01:58:41,599
» I thought you were grabbing your

1794
01:58:41,599 --> 01:58:43,350
>> sorry my thumb I just would kept missing

1795
01:58:43,350 --> 01:58:43,360
» sorry my thumb I just would kept missing

1796
01:58:43,360 --> 01:58:45,520
the button for whatever reason I just

1797
01:58:45,520 --> 01:58:46,719
wanted to point out something I've

1798
01:58:46,719 --> 01:58:48,480
noticed with reporting because a lot of

1799
01:58:48,480 --> 01:58:50,159
the district port neighbors are

1800
01:58:50,159 --> 01:58:51,840
reporting and they've increased those

1801
01:58:51,840 --> 01:58:54,080
practices is part of it is just the

1802
01:58:54,080 --> 01:58:56,639
customer service as aspect. The CRM that

1803
01:58:56,639 --> 01:58:59,520
PD is using is a lot more uh

1804
01:58:59,520 --> 01:59:01,840
consumer-based and friendly. I'm curious

1805
01:59:01,840 --> 01:59:04,320
if you've seen more activity that maybe

1806
01:59:04,320 --> 01:59:06,560
shows that trend um because I certainly

1807
01:59:06,560 --> 01:59:07,920
hear that there's more reporting, but

1808
01:59:07,920 --> 01:59:10,000
I'd love to see some analysis that shows

1809
01:59:10,000 --> 01:59:12,400
that. I'd love to to see that our

1810
01:59:12,400 --> 01:59:14,320
residents and neighbors are using this

1811
01:59:14,320 --> 01:59:16,159
for emergencies.

1812
01:59:16,159 --> 01:59:18,390
>> Yeah, I I will look into that. Um, we do

1813
01:59:18,390 --> 01:59:18,400
» Yeah, I I will look into that. Um, we do

1814
01:59:18,400 --> 01:59:20,000
know reporting is up this year. We had

1815
01:59:20,000 --> 01:59:21,360
that checked a few months ago and

1816
01:59:21,360 --> 01:59:23,760
reporting uh calling in is is definitely

1817
01:59:23,760 --> 01:59:25,520
up. So, uh, you know, and the message

1818
01:59:25,520 --> 01:59:27,520
that I could I will continue to send to

1819
01:59:27,520 --> 01:59:29,360
the community is you need to please

1820
01:59:29,360 --> 01:59:31,599
report. We we don't know what we don't

1821
01:59:31,599 --> 01:59:33,119
know. So, please report. If you're a

1822
01:59:33,119 --> 01:59:36,159
victim of a crime, please report and uh,

1823
01:59:36,159 --> 01:59:37,599
you know, and then we have to get good

1824
01:59:37,599 --> 01:59:39,599
at at responding in a timely manner and

1825
01:59:39,599 --> 01:59:41,360
all of those we're which we're

1826
01:59:41,360 --> 01:59:43,679
definitely working on. But yeah, we'll

1827
01:59:43,679 --> 01:59:46,800
look into that for you, council member.

1828
01:59:46,800 --> 01:59:49,040
Uh this is just showing the number of

1829
01:59:49,040 --> 01:59:53,440
arrests by year from 2018 to 2025. As

1830
01:59:53,440 --> 01:59:55,440
you can see, our arrest statistics are

1831
01:59:55,440 --> 01:59:59,920
up uh significantly this year uh as

1832
01:59:59,920 --> 02:00:01,360
they've been trending up for a number of

1833
02:00:01,360 --> 02:00:04,560
years. Um so our officers are working

1834
02:00:04,560 --> 02:00:06,560
hard and and just appreciate the good

1835
02:00:06,560 --> 02:00:08,639
work that they're doing out there. Um,

1836
02:00:08,639 --> 02:00:11,760
you know, we do have, uh, going back to

1837
02:00:11,760 --> 02:00:13,679
the connect, we do, you know, we we want

1838
02:00:13,679 --> 02:00:15,520
to re reduce the number of repeat

1839
02:00:15,520 --> 02:00:17,920
arrests and we want people getting, uh,

1840
02:00:17,920 --> 02:00:19,920
you know, having the consequences the

1841
02:00:19,920 --> 02:00:21,679
first time or getting the help the first

1842
02:00:21,679 --> 02:00:23,280
time. So, we'll continue to watch this

1843
02:00:23,280 --> 02:00:25,440
trend. But this just shows our officers

1844
02:00:25,440 --> 02:00:26,960
are out there working hard and and you

1845
02:00:26,960 --> 02:00:29,599
can see crime is coming down. Next

1846
02:00:29,599 --> 02:00:32,080
slide.

1847
02:00:32,080 --> 02:00:34,639
Uh, and this is citations. uh just

1848
02:00:34,639 --> 02:00:36,719
showing that uh increase in the number

1849
02:00:36,719 --> 02:00:38,080
of citations and you can see a

1850
02:00:38,080 --> 02:00:40,480
significant increase in in 2025 on

1851
02:00:40,480 --> 02:00:42,320
citations.

1852
02:00:42,320 --> 02:00:45,280
Next slide.

1853
02:00:45,280 --> 02:00:47,440
And this just shows uh camping and

1854
02:00:47,440 --> 02:00:49,840
panhandling uh enforcement and you can

1855
02:00:49,840 --> 02:00:53,440
see it's defin it's up in 2025 as well.

1856
02:00:53,440 --> 02:00:56,000
Next slide.

1857
02:00:56,000 --> 02:00:57,760
Now before I go to before I talk about

1858
02:00:57,760 --> 02:01:00,080
this point um while we talk about you

1859
02:01:00,080 --> 02:01:01,599
know crime statistics showing things

1860
02:01:01,599 --> 02:01:04,239
down in in most categories something

1861
02:01:04,239 --> 02:01:06,560
else that we're very focused on is also

1862
02:01:06,560 --> 02:01:08,880
the feeling of safety

1863
02:01:08,880 --> 02:01:12,880
and we're grappling with how we can make

1864
02:01:12,880 --> 02:01:15,440
people feel safe in the city. Uh one of

1865
02:01:15,440 --> 02:01:16,880
those things is to make sure that we're

1866
02:01:16,880 --> 02:01:18,560
we're close to the community, close to

1867
02:01:18,560 --> 02:01:19,840
the residents. We're hearing their

1868
02:01:19,840 --> 02:01:21,360
concerns. We're being responsive. So

1869
02:01:21,360 --> 02:01:23,679
we're looking at how we can consolidate

1870
02:01:23,679 --> 02:01:25,280
all of the information that's coming

1871
02:01:25,280 --> 02:01:26,960
into the department. We have some coming

1872
02:01:26,960 --> 02:01:29,599
into the cities my SLC apps, some comes

1873
02:01:29,599 --> 02:01:32,880
into department, some comes into 911,

1874
02:01:32,880 --> 02:01:34,080
and we're trying to figure out how to

1875
02:01:34,080 --> 02:01:35,520
make sure that's all flowing to one

1876
02:01:35,520 --> 02:01:37,360
central location in a timely manner so

1877
02:01:37,360 --> 02:01:39,040
we can be more responsive. But one of

1878
02:01:39,040 --> 02:01:40,080
the things that we're going to do in

1879
02:01:40,080 --> 02:01:42,560
2026 is look at what we're kind of

1880
02:01:42,560 --> 02:01:45,040
terming these micro neighborhood safety

1881
02:01:45,040 --> 02:01:46,400
collaborives. You know, every

1882
02:01:46,400 --> 02:01:47,760
neighborhood in the city has a little

1883
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different working with. I was just

1884
02:01:49,599 --> 02:01:51,599
talking to council member Young about

1885
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her area in a particular spot that's

1886
02:01:53,440 --> 02:01:56,239
having some challenges with and and

1887
02:01:56,239 --> 02:01:57,920
there's certain stakeholders that that

1888
02:01:57,920 --> 02:01:59,360
maybe aren't applicable to other parts

1889
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of the city. So, how we become more

1890
02:02:01,520 --> 02:02:03,360
responsive as a police department and

1891
02:02:03,360 --> 02:02:05,440
and and also all the other city

1892
02:02:05,440 --> 02:02:06,719
departments kind of working together

1893
02:02:06,719 --> 02:02:08,320
with the community. There's there's a

1894
02:02:08,320 --> 02:02:10,159
lot of good community members that want

1895
02:02:10,159 --> 02:02:11,440
to be involved and that have good

1896
02:02:11,440 --> 02:02:12,800
insight. We need to figure out how to

1897
02:02:12,800 --> 02:02:15,440
all come together. So, the feeling of

1898
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safety is something that we're also

1899
02:02:16,639 --> 02:02:18,080
going to work on as we continue bring

1900
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crime down. Now, this next uh slide, we

1901
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have the University of Texas San Antonio

1902
02:02:24,159 --> 02:02:26,080
that helps us helps us with policing

1903
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strategies and they've been with us

1904
02:02:27,599 --> 02:02:29,760
about three years. We just had them here

1905
02:02:29,760 --> 02:02:34,320
today. Um if you go back, sorry. Um, we

1906
02:02:34,320 --> 02:02:36,480
had them take our Salt Lake City data,

1907
02:02:36,480 --> 02:02:37,920
five years worth of data, and we said,

1908
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"Can you can you look at our drug crime,

1909
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our transient homeless related crimes

1910
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that we talked about earlier, and our

1911
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violent crime, and what what can you

1912
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tell us about the overlap, if any?" And

1913
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this is what they came back with. They

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said there is a person and place-based

1915
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overlap between drugs, homelessness, and

1916
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violent crime in Salt Lake City. It's

1917
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probably not surprising, but the data is

1918
02:03:01,280 --> 02:03:04,159
is bearing this out. Um, the second

1919
02:03:04,159 --> 02:03:05,760
point which is important for all of us

1920
02:03:05,760 --> 02:03:07,360
to understand is homeless individuals

1921
02:03:07,360 --> 02:03:09,520
are at much higher risk for violent

1922
02:03:09,520 --> 02:03:11,599
victimization often by other homeless

1923
02:03:11,599 --> 02:03:13,199
individuals. This is why it's so

1924
02:03:13,199 --> 02:03:15,280
important that we we work on getting

1925
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people into shelter and into into better

1926
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situations. And then the third is drugs

1927
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play a significant role in violence on

1928
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the streets of Salt Lake City. So if you

1929
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go to the next slide, the the university

1930
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recommended three strategies. Number

1931
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one, we need to focus on repeat violent

1932
02:03:34,480 --> 02:03:36,400
places and we're working with them on

1933
02:03:36,400 --> 02:03:39,119
those on those strategies currently. We

1934
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need to ensure and this goes toward the

1935
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broader criminal justice system, but we

1936
02:03:43,119 --> 02:03:44,560
need to ensure there's a credible threat

1937
02:03:44,560 --> 02:03:46,880
of arrest and incarceration for drug

1938
02:03:46,880 --> 02:03:49,679
dealers, uh people who are victimizing

1939
02:03:49,679 --> 02:03:55,280
others. And then last uh treatment uh

1940
02:03:55,280 --> 02:03:57,119
needs to be considered for in

1941
02:03:57,119 --> 02:03:59,920
individuals who uh are pre previous

1942
02:03:59,920 --> 02:04:01,360
violent victims and offenders in

1943
02:04:01,360 --> 02:04:04,080
particular and and just ensuring that we

1944
02:04:04,080 --> 02:04:05,760
get them into better situations and get

1945
02:04:05,760 --> 02:04:07,520
them treated so they don't continue to

1946
02:04:07,520 --> 02:04:09,599
cycle in the system. So we're working on

1947
02:04:09,599 --> 02:04:11,520
all these strategies in a lot of

1948
02:04:11,520 --> 02:04:14,719
different ways. Next slide.

1949
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>> Can I ask a question?

1950
02:04:16,709 --> 02:04:16,719
» Can I ask a question?

1951
02:04:16,719 --> 02:04:19,189
>> Yes, council member Petro. Go ahead. So

1952
02:04:19,189 --> 02:04:19,199
» Yes, council member Petro. Go ahead. So

1953
02:04:19,199 --> 02:04:21,280
while I understand, thank you. While I

1954
02:04:21,280 --> 02:04:22,400
understand that the credible threat of

1955
02:04:22,400 --> 02:04:23,920
arrest and incarceration for things like

1956
02:04:23,920 --> 02:04:26,639
drug dealing are I I can understand the

1957
02:04:26,639 --> 02:04:29,760
deterrent nature for that. Um on

1958
02:04:29,760 --> 02:04:32,719
citations,

1959
02:04:32,719 --> 02:04:36,639
do we see anything credible that is

1960
02:04:36,639 --> 02:04:39,119
improving outcomes with those or are we

1961
02:04:39,119 --> 02:04:42,080
just getting people who have is it just

1962
02:04:42,080 --> 02:04:46,080
an accumulation of citations? Like I I I

1963
02:04:46,080 --> 02:04:47,599
accidentally almost forgot to pay a

1964
02:04:47,599 --> 02:04:50,000
parking citation and it's literally my

1965
02:04:50,000 --> 02:04:52,000
budget that I would have infected.

1966
02:04:52,000 --> 02:04:54,470
>> Like can you explain to me why the

1967
02:04:54,470 --> 02:04:54,480
» Like can you explain to me why the

1968
02:04:54,480 --> 02:04:57,040
citations are worth the energy that

1969
02:04:57,040 --> 02:04:58,960
we're putting into it?

1970
02:04:58,960 --> 02:05:01,270
>> Yeah. the way that I'll that I'll put it

1971
02:05:01,270 --> 02:05:01,280
» Yeah. the way that I'll that I'll put it

1972
02:05:01,280 --> 02:05:03,199
uh that I was always taught around

1973
02:05:03,199 --> 02:05:06,560
traffic citations and maybe we can

1974
02:05:06,560 --> 02:05:10,080
apply it across across this what you're

1975
02:05:10,080 --> 02:05:12,560
always seeking for

1976
02:05:12,560 --> 02:05:15,360
in anyone's behavior is is kind of like

1977
02:05:15,360 --> 02:05:19,520
this um voluntary compliance and if they

1978
02:05:19,520 --> 02:05:21,280
voluntarily comply that could be just a

1979
02:05:21,280 --> 02:05:24,400
verbal warning. Um, and if if they

1980
02:05:24,400 --> 02:05:26,080
voluntarily comply, great. But if they

1981
02:05:26,080 --> 02:05:28,480
don't volunt voluntarily comply or it's

1982
02:05:28,480 --> 02:05:31,280
egregious enough, then you need to like

1983
02:05:31,280 --> 02:05:32,800
put it put them into the court system or

1984
02:05:32,800 --> 02:05:35,440
give them a citation. If if that's not

1985
02:05:35,440 --> 02:05:37,360
working, then you escalate to to an

1986
02:05:37,360 --> 02:05:39,520
arrest. So, I think we're trying to find

1987
02:05:39,520 --> 02:05:41,119
I mean, we would love to have voluntary

1988
02:05:41,119 --> 02:05:42,639
compliance. I think this probably

1989
02:05:42,639 --> 02:05:45,520
signals that we have a lot of people in

1990
02:05:45,520 --> 02:05:47,920
and probably in in our public spaces

1991
02:05:47,920 --> 02:05:50,400
that are not following the rules, you

1992
02:05:50,400 --> 02:05:52,480
know, following the norms that we've

1993
02:05:52,480 --> 02:05:54,080
we've established in the community and

1994
02:05:54,080 --> 02:05:56,800
that's what is generating the citations.

1995
02:05:56,800 --> 02:05:58,880
Um the alternative is to arrest them if

1996
02:05:58,880 --> 02:06:01,119
they're not going to comply. So that's

1997
02:06:01,119 --> 02:06:02,639
why we're working with the repeat

1998
02:06:02,639 --> 02:06:05,360
offenders uh in on the connect list is

1999
02:06:05,360 --> 02:06:08,000
like trying to resolve the underlying

2000
02:06:08,000 --> 02:06:10,239
issues of these individuals

2001
02:06:10,239 --> 02:06:12,000
um so we don't have to write so many

2002
02:06:12,000 --> 02:06:14,400
citations or continually remind people.

2003
02:06:14,400 --> 02:06:16,560
Um so I think we number one would like

2004
02:06:16,560 --> 02:06:18,880
to seek voluntary compliance. If we

2005
02:06:18,880 --> 02:06:20,080
can't get that then we go to the

2006
02:06:20,080 --> 02:06:21,440
citation. If we can't get that then

2007
02:06:21,440 --> 02:06:23,679
maybe they need to be um incapacitated

2008
02:06:23,679 --> 02:06:26,239
through arrest for a time as we continue

2009
02:06:26,239 --> 02:06:28,480
to help these individuals. So it

2010
02:06:28,480 --> 02:06:31,669
>> I just hate paying our capable and

2011
02:06:31,669 --> 02:06:31,679
» I just hate paying our capable and

2012
02:06:31,679 --> 02:06:34,480
skilled officers to do cisphus-l like

2013
02:06:34,480 --> 02:06:36,960
tasks when the rest of the system around

2014
02:06:36,960 --> 02:06:39,679
them has failed and what they're

2015
02:06:39,679 --> 02:06:42,800
actually enc encountering is a human

2016
02:06:42,800 --> 02:06:44,159
condition crisis.

2017
02:06:44,159 --> 02:06:44,550
>> Yeah.

2018
02:06:44,550 --> 02:06:44,560
» Yeah.

2019
02:06:44,560 --> 02:06:47,589
>> And people are not complying because

2020
02:06:47,589 --> 02:06:47,599
» And people are not complying because

2021
02:06:47,599 --> 02:06:49,280
they are exhausted because they have

2022
02:06:49,280 --> 02:06:50,480
been pushed from one place that they're

2023
02:06:50,480 --> 02:06:52,000
not allowed to be to the next place that

2024
02:06:52,000 --> 02:06:53,679
they're not allowed to be and the

2025
02:06:53,679 --> 02:06:55,760
resources aren't coming. And we're

2026
02:06:55,760 --> 02:06:58,079
talking about involuntary commitment for

2027
02:06:58,079 --> 02:07:00,639
as you know the response to poverty at

2028
02:07:00,639 --> 02:07:04,400
this point. And and you all as one of

2029
02:07:04,400 --> 02:07:06,239
the only institutional interactions that

2030
02:07:06,239 --> 02:07:09,360
they might get are being requested to

2031
02:07:09,360 --> 02:07:11,119
interact with them in a way that doesn't

2032
02:07:11,119 --> 02:07:12,480
build the trust with them so that when

2033
02:07:12,480 --> 02:07:13,920
they are assaulted they will come to

2034
02:07:13,920 --> 02:07:15,760
you. That doesn't build the rapport with

2035
02:07:15,760 --> 02:07:17,360
them that you need when someone does

2036
02:07:17,360 --> 02:07:18,960
something in the community and you need

2037
02:07:18,960 --> 02:07:20,880
someone to trust that you're there for

2038
02:07:20,880 --> 02:07:23,679
their best interest. And so like I when

2039
02:07:23,679 --> 02:07:24,960
we're talking about the drug dealers,

2040
02:07:24,960 --> 02:07:26,480
when we're talking about the violence,

2041
02:07:26,480 --> 02:07:28,560
yes, let's go. But when we're talking

2042
02:07:28,560 --> 02:07:31,520
about someone who is exhausted and has

2043
02:07:31,520 --> 02:07:33,440
feet that are wet and cold and has

2044
02:07:33,440 --> 02:07:35,840
nowhere viable to go from the spot that

2045
02:07:35,840 --> 02:07:38,000
that we're invicting them from

2046
02:07:38,000 --> 02:07:41,990
>> and we give them a citation for having a

2047
02:07:41,990 --> 02:07:42,000
» and we give them a citation for having a

2048
02:07:42,000 --> 02:07:44,159
temporary roof over their head, I fail

2049
02:07:44,159 --> 02:07:45,920
to see how that's a great fiduciary

2050
02:07:45,920 --> 02:07:48,239
investment in that officer, in that

2051
02:07:48,239 --> 02:07:49,920
officer's skill, in that officer's

2052
02:07:49,920 --> 02:07:52,320
moment. And I fail to see how it gets us

2053
02:07:52,320 --> 02:07:55,280
to our goal and certainly my goal which

2054
02:07:55,280 --> 02:07:57,840
is that public spaces are well shared

2055
02:07:57,840 --> 02:08:00,000
between every constituent in society and

2056
02:08:00,000 --> 02:08:02,880
sheltered and sheltered alike. Um and I

2057
02:08:02,880 --> 02:08:03,920
don't know that there's an answer that

2058
02:08:03,920 --> 02:08:05,840
you can provide because the systemic

2059
02:08:05,840 --> 02:08:07,679
failure is not you. You are the one that

2060
02:08:07,679 --> 02:08:10,079
shows up. The systemic failure is every

2061
02:08:10,079 --> 02:08:11,520
other level of government that has been

2062
02:08:11,520 --> 02:08:12,800
derelictked in its duty and played

2063
02:08:12,800 --> 02:08:15,199
culture war with this nonsense since you

2064
02:08:15,199 --> 02:08:17,040
know essentially we were in elementary

2065
02:08:17,040 --> 02:08:19,440
school. No, I thank you for the feedback

2066
02:08:19,440 --> 02:08:21,040
and we'll we'll definitely consider it.

2067
02:08:21,040 --> 02:08:23,760
I think it's it's it's challenging

2068
02:08:23,760 --> 02:08:25,040
because we there has to be

2069
02:08:25,040 --> 02:08:27,599
accountability in the system and there

2070
02:08:27,599 --> 02:08:28,880
also needs to be support for these

2071
02:08:28,880 --> 02:08:30,239
individuals and I think we're trying to

2072
02:08:30,239 --> 02:08:31,840
strike that balance between

2073
02:08:31,840 --> 02:08:33,760
accountability.

2074
02:08:33,760 --> 02:08:35,599
Not all of those citations are are

2075
02:08:35,599 --> 02:08:38,880
camping citations, you know, or there

2076
02:08:38,880 --> 02:08:40,480
there's a lot of trespassing citations

2077
02:08:40,480 --> 02:08:41,760
because people don't want them on their

2078
02:08:41,760 --> 02:08:44,320
properties and and so that that there is

2079
02:08:44,320 --> 02:08:47,280
a lot of that on on trespassing.

2080
02:08:47,280 --> 02:08:51,199
But um you know, I think we just need to

2081
02:08:51,199 --> 02:08:53,040
and I and I say this all the time to our

2082
02:08:53,040 --> 02:08:55,280
people. Uh we need to police with our

2083
02:08:55,280 --> 02:08:58,400
values in mind. So, uh, as we hold

2084
02:08:58,400 --> 02:08:59,840
people accountable, we need to do it in

2085
02:08:59,840 --> 02:09:01,920
a way that is respectful and empathetic

2086
02:09:01,920 --> 02:09:03,920
to the situations that people are in and

2087
02:09:03,920 --> 02:09:06,400
be mindful of that while also upholding

2088
02:09:06,400 --> 02:09:07,840
the law, which we're asked to do. And

2089
02:09:07,840 --> 02:09:09,440
it's it's tough. And that's why we're

2090
02:09:09,440 --> 02:09:11,760
working with our connect list to try to

2091
02:09:11,760 --> 02:09:14,079
find a better model to get people the

2092
02:09:14,079 --> 02:09:17,440
help that they need. Um, and also set an

2093
02:09:17,440 --> 02:09:19,040
expectation that you you do need to

2094
02:09:19,040 --> 02:09:21,119
follow the rules of society and even

2095
02:09:21,119 --> 02:09:23,440
though you have challenges. Could we get

2096
02:09:23,440 --> 02:09:24,880
that to the other levels of government

2097
02:09:24,880 --> 02:09:26,560
who should follow the rules of their

2098
02:09:26,560 --> 02:09:28,239
oath to the constitution to do their

2099
02:09:28,239 --> 02:09:30,000
statutory responsibility? That would be

2100
02:09:30,000 --> 02:09:30,800
spectacular.

2101
02:09:30,800 --> 02:09:33,750
>> Well, I we're committed at Salt Lake PD

2102
02:09:33,750 --> 02:09:33,760
» Well, I we're committed at Salt Lake PD

2103
02:09:33,760 --> 02:09:35,360
to doing it the best that we can.

2104
02:09:35,360 --> 02:09:36,069
>> Well, thank you.

2105
02:09:36,069 --> 02:09:36,079
» Well, thank you.

2106
02:09:36,079 --> 02:09:37,750
>> I am thankful to you all. I am not that

2107
02:09:37,750 --> 02:09:37,760
» I am thankful to you all. I am not that

2108
02:09:37,760 --> 02:09:39,599
is not an indictment on you or you all,

2109
02:09:39,599 --> 02:09:41,440
but I don't I don't like asking our

2110
02:09:41,440 --> 02:09:44,480
officers to participate in activities

2111
02:09:44,480 --> 02:09:45,589
>> where we [clears throat] get no closer

2112
02:09:45,589 --> 02:09:45,599
» where we [clears throat] get no closer

2113
02:09:45,599 --> 02:09:47,599
to a resolution and it just uses their

2114
02:09:47,599 --> 02:09:48,880
time, energy, and resources.

2115
02:09:48,880 --> 02:09:50,310
>> That's understood. Thank you,

2116
02:09:50,310 --> 02:09:50,320
» That's understood. Thank you,

2117
02:09:50,320 --> 02:09:52,229
>> Council Member Dugan. Oh, council member

2118
02:09:52,229 --> 02:09:52,239
» Council Member Dugan. Oh, council member

2119
02:09:52,239 --> 02:09:52,880
Young's first.

2120
02:09:52,880 --> 02:09:54,229
>> Oh, sorry, Council Member Young, then

2121
02:09:54,229 --> 02:09:54,239
» Oh, sorry, Council Member Young, then

2122
02:09:54,239 --> 02:09:56,400
Council Member Dugan. Sorry.

2123
02:09:56,400 --> 02:10:00,149
>> Thank you. Um, so I appreciate the

2124
02:10:00,149 --> 02:10:00,159
» Thank you. Um, so I appreciate the

2125
02:10:00,159 --> 02:10:02,320
concerns related to like the fine

2126
02:10:02,320 --> 02:10:04,639
structure. I'll also say that at least

2127
02:10:04,639 --> 02:10:07,520
in what I've witnessed um in being on

2128
02:10:07,520 --> 02:10:09,760
ride alongs and even in just like my

2129
02:10:09,760 --> 02:10:12,320
day-to-day interactions across the city

2130
02:10:12,320 --> 02:10:15,440
um that I see our Salt Lake City police

2131
02:10:15,440 --> 02:10:19,599
officers um trying everything in their

2132
02:10:19,599 --> 02:10:22,480
power before leaning into that

2133
02:10:22,480 --> 02:10:25,199
particular citation. Um, and I do want

2134
02:10:25,199 --> 02:10:27,280
to make sure that we have a balance to

2135
02:10:27,280 --> 02:10:29,280
your point of like recognizing the

2136
02:10:29,280 --> 02:10:30,719
humanity and meeting people where they

2137
02:10:30,719 --> 02:10:32,639
are and fostering those relationships,

2138
02:10:32,639 --> 02:10:36,000
but also empowering, you know, our our

2139
02:10:36,000 --> 02:10:39,280
safety officials to be able to have, you

2140
02:10:39,280 --> 02:10:41,599
know, the tools in their tool belt to be

2141
02:10:41,599 --> 02:10:44,079
able to address folks who, you know, may

2142
02:10:44,079 --> 02:10:45,360
be like, what are you going to do about

2143
02:10:45,360 --> 02:10:47,679
it, you know? And so, like, I think

2144
02:10:47,679 --> 02:10:49,520
that's that's at least the balance and

2145
02:10:49,520 --> 02:10:50,960
and I'm sure it's something we can

2146
02:10:50,960 --> 02:10:53,599
continue to, you know, work towards. Um,

2147
02:10:53,599 --> 02:10:55,599
but I do want to make sure that that

2148
02:10:55,599 --> 02:10:57,920
that piece is available. And I have

2149
02:10:57,920 --> 02:11:00,800
personally witnessed our officers, you

2150
02:11:00,800 --> 02:11:03,199
know, don't lead with that. Um, in any

2151
02:11:03,199 --> 02:11:05,360
of my experiences or interactions um,

2152
02:11:05,360 --> 02:11:07,760
and if anything, it's it's truly like

2153
02:11:07,760 --> 02:11:09,920
one of the more last resort type

2154
02:11:09,920 --> 02:11:13,119
components um, in that. A couple of

2155
02:11:13,119 --> 02:11:17,840
other pieces. Um, I will also say that I

2156
02:11:17,840 --> 02:11:20,639
um cuz our public doesn't always get to

2157
02:11:20,639 --> 02:11:23,679
see like all of the individual responses

2158
02:11:23,679 --> 02:11:27,040
and communication and I just have to

2159
02:11:27,040 --> 02:11:29,599
thank you. Um you have been incredible.

2160
02:11:29,599 --> 02:11:32,960
Not just responding to individuals um

2161
02:11:32,960 --> 02:11:35,840
who are elected officials, but you know

2162
02:11:35,840 --> 02:11:38,239
responding to individual residents who

2163
02:11:38,239 --> 02:11:41,040
have had concerns or expressed um you

2164
02:11:41,040 --> 02:11:43,199
know a lack of safety within the city

2165
02:11:43,199 --> 02:11:46,159
and that that comes from from you. Um

2166
02:11:46,159 --> 02:11:48,719
and that you are oftent times you know

2167
02:11:48,719 --> 02:11:51,199
the first point of outreach um related

2168
02:11:51,199 --> 02:11:53,199
to some of those issues, questions and

2169
02:11:53,199 --> 02:11:55,920
concerns. Um, and I know that they said

2170
02:11:55,920 --> 02:11:57,840
this to us when the mayor brought you

2171
02:11:57,840 --> 02:12:00,239
forward for this position. Um, but it's

2172
02:12:00,239 --> 02:12:02,639
just with full assurance that you truly

2173
02:12:02,639 --> 02:12:05,679
walk the walk. Um, related to making

2174
02:12:05,679 --> 02:12:08,400
sure that you are demonstrating what the

2175
02:12:08,400 --> 02:12:10,320
expectation is in terms of community

2176
02:12:10,320 --> 02:12:12,079
building and creating a safe environment

2177
02:12:12,079 --> 02:12:14,159
in the city and that we see that playing

2178
02:12:14,159 --> 02:12:16,480
out across the department. And I just

2179
02:12:16,480 --> 02:12:18,000
want to make sure that you're thanked

2180
02:12:18,000 --> 02:12:20,480
for those efforts. Um I know we have a

2181
02:12:20,480 --> 02:12:22,800
ways to go related to continuing to

2182
02:12:22,800 --> 02:12:25,679
address that. Um but it is not lost on

2183
02:12:25,679 --> 02:12:29,119
me that um you have not only taken this

2184
02:12:29,119 --> 02:12:31,440
on as as your day job but your night

2185
02:12:31,440 --> 02:12:33,360
job, your weekend job and your holiday

2186
02:12:33,360 --> 02:12:35,920
job as well. Um in terms of your

2187
02:12:35,920 --> 02:12:38,480
willingness to always be available to

2188
02:12:38,480 --> 02:12:40,719
respond to needs as they emerge across

2189
02:12:40,719 --> 02:12:43,199
the city. when we look at the overall

2190
02:12:43,199 --> 02:12:45,440
safety and the issues, I guess my one

2191
02:12:45,440 --> 02:12:48,480
request to you would be I appreciate the

2192
02:12:48,480 --> 02:12:50,320
highlight of the progress we've made in

2193
02:12:50,320 --> 02:12:53,199
the data and what that looks like. Um,

2194
02:12:53,199 --> 02:12:56,560
as we start to move into the budgetary

2195
02:12:56,560 --> 02:12:59,520
space, it's helpful for us to know like

2196
02:12:59,520 --> 02:13:02,480
what the what the key, you know, needs

2197
02:13:02,480 --> 02:13:05,520
are related to being able to address

2198
02:13:05,520 --> 02:13:07,360
where we've seen some of those gaps in

2199
02:13:07,360 --> 02:13:09,760
the system that you identified as part

2200
02:13:09,760 --> 02:13:11,679
of the experience with the connect list

2201
02:13:11,679 --> 02:13:14,000
and justice court. Knowing about where

2202
02:13:14,000 --> 02:13:15,840
those issues are, whether they're policy

2203
02:13:15,840 --> 02:13:17,920
or resource-based, I think is helpful

2204
02:13:17,920 --> 02:13:20,480
for this council to be able to then, you

2205
02:13:20,480 --> 02:13:22,320
know, consider that as part of the

2206
02:13:22,320 --> 02:13:24,639
prioritization moving forward. And I

2207
02:13:24,639 --> 02:13:26,159
just want to make sure that the door is

2208
02:13:26,159 --> 02:13:28,639
open as we move forward in this process

2209
02:13:28,639 --> 02:13:31,040
and in this space. Um, last but not

2210
02:13:31,040 --> 02:13:33,040
least, I know that you have along with

2211
02:13:33,040 --> 02:13:35,520
the mayor have spent time um, with the

2212
02:13:35,520 --> 02:13:38,639
legislature in terms of also being able

2213
02:13:38,639 --> 02:13:41,520
to address some of the issues we saw um,

2214
02:13:41,520 --> 02:13:43,199
you know, right right on the heels of

2215
02:13:43,199 --> 02:13:45,440
when you were um, kind of brought into

2216
02:13:45,440 --> 02:13:48,239
the community of Salt Lake City. And I'm

2217
02:13:48,239 --> 02:13:50,320
very grateful. I hear nothing but praise

2218
02:13:50,320 --> 02:13:53,360
and appreciation for um the leadership

2219
02:13:53,360 --> 02:13:55,119
that you show and the partnership that

2220
02:13:55,119 --> 02:13:57,280
you both show related to being able to

2221
02:13:57,280 --> 02:13:59,199
achieve what everyone wants which is a

2222
02:13:59,199 --> 02:14:01,840
safe capital city and experience. Um so

2223
02:14:01,840 --> 02:14:03,920
thank you for representing us so well. I

2224
02:14:03,920 --> 02:14:04,560
appreciate it.

2225
02:14:04,560 --> 02:14:06,550
>> Thank you council member

2226
02:14:06,550 --> 02:14:06,560
» Thank you council member

2227
02:14:06,560 --> 02:14:08,069
>> council member Dugan.

2228
02:14:08,069 --> 02:14:08,079
» council member Dugan.

2229
02:14:08,079 --> 02:14:10,310
>> Thank you chief uh appreciate the

2230
02:14:10,310 --> 02:14:10,320
» Thank you chief uh appreciate the

2231
02:14:10,320 --> 02:14:13,040
presentation. My question is on the uh

2232
02:14:13,040 --> 02:14:15,920
slide of the Texas uh University of

2233
02:14:15,920 --> 02:14:17,840
Texas findings.

2234
02:14:17,840 --> 02:14:19,510
>> Yes. and the homeless individuals are

2235
02:14:19,510 --> 02:14:19,520
» Yes. and the homeless individuals are

2236
02:14:19,520 --> 02:14:21,280
much more high risk of for violent

2237
02:14:21,280 --> 02:14:23,040
victimization often by other homeless

2238
02:14:23,040 --> 02:14:25,440
individuals. Do we are we seeing that

2239
02:14:25,440 --> 02:14:27,679
around the uh shelters or just out on

2240
02:14:27,679 --> 02:14:29,599
the streets and are we seeing it in the

2241
02:14:29,599 --> 02:14:31,760
shelters? Cuz my concern is that you

2242
02:14:31,760 --> 02:14:33,920
know our shelters and the homeless

2243
02:14:33,920 --> 02:14:36,560
population and the resources are not in

2244
02:14:36,560 --> 02:14:38,880
one location. But then if you were to

2245
02:14:38,880 --> 02:14:41,520
expand this to a large campus, would you

2246
02:14:41,520 --> 02:14:45,280
be seeing more of that uh violent

2247
02:14:45,280 --> 02:14:47,280
interaction because they're all together

2248
02:14:47,280 --> 02:14:50,239
in one space or or how would that how

2249
02:14:50,239 --> 02:14:52,320
does that play out? And [clears throat]

2250
02:14:52,320 --> 02:14:53,679
yeah, I mean those are some of the

2251
02:14:53,679 --> 02:14:57,280
concerns and and yes, we will see um we

2252
02:14:57,280 --> 02:14:59,679
will see around the shelters uh these

2253
02:14:59,679 --> 02:15:01,119
calls for service sometimes in the

2254
02:15:01,119 --> 02:15:02,800
shelters and we have homeless resource

2255
02:15:02,800 --> 02:15:04,480
center squads that work closely with the

2256
02:15:04,480 --> 02:15:06,480
shelters and and we're we're in constant

2257
02:15:06,480 --> 02:15:08,560
communication with the road home with

2258
02:15:08,560 --> 02:15:10,719
the Gail Miller Center with you know the

2259
02:15:10,719 --> 02:15:14,639
King Center. So we yes um we we find

2260
02:15:14,639 --> 02:15:16,239
them in the hot spots that you saw on

2261
02:15:16,239 --> 02:15:19,280
the on the on the heat map today and and

2262
02:15:19,280 --> 02:15:22,079
this is really why uh it's so critical

2263
02:15:22,079 --> 02:15:24,159
that we don't have encampments form

2264
02:15:24,159 --> 02:15:25,679
because as soon as the encampments form

2265
02:15:25,679 --> 02:15:27,840
the predators show up and when the

2266
02:15:27,840 --> 02:15:29,280
predators show up the victimization

2267
02:15:29,280 --> 02:15:31,199
occurs but we do have to set

2268
02:15:31,199 --> 02:15:33,119
expectations in these shelters. We also

2269
02:15:33,119 --> 02:15:35,119
have to be mindful that people are

2270
02:15:35,119 --> 02:15:37,199
battling addiction criminogenic

2271
02:15:37,199 --> 02:15:38,719
behaviors. I mean, I saw this when I was

2272
02:15:38,719 --> 02:15:40,159
working in the prison, right? You put

2273
02:15:40,159 --> 02:15:42,079
them all in the prison and and it's

2274
02:15:42,079 --> 02:15:44,480
challenging. So, the way that we execute

2275
02:15:44,480 --> 02:15:48,239
in our shelters, uh, and and how we help

2276
02:15:48,239 --> 02:15:50,480
individuals and hold it's always that

2277
02:15:50,480 --> 02:15:52,719
balance with of of accountability,

2278
02:15:52,719 --> 02:15:54,320
setting expectations, and then providing

2279
02:15:54,320 --> 02:15:56,079
the supports that they need to overcome

2280
02:15:56,079 --> 02:15:57,520
like, you know, a lot of these

2281
02:15:57,520 --> 02:15:59,520
individuals that that you encountered in

2282
02:15:59,520 --> 02:16:01,119
the prison. I mean, they grew up in

2283
02:16:01,119 --> 02:16:02,719
terrible situations and probably never

2284
02:16:02,719 --> 02:16:04,800
had a chance from day one. They have to

2285
02:16:04,800 --> 02:16:06,320
learn new behaviors. And so I think it's

2286
02:16:06,320 --> 02:16:09,760
incumbent upon the system, all of us to

2287
02:16:09,760 --> 02:16:11,360
hold people accountable, set

2288
02:16:11,360 --> 02:16:14,320
expectations, but then also, you know,

2289
02:16:14,320 --> 02:16:15,760
support them and give them the tools

2290
02:16:15,760 --> 02:16:17,599
that they need. It might be overcoming

2291
02:16:17,599 --> 02:16:20,480
addiction. It might be overcoming some

2292
02:16:20,480 --> 02:16:21,920
mental health challenges. It might be

2293
02:16:21,920 --> 02:16:23,599
overcoming their criminogenic behaviors.

2294
02:16:23,599 --> 02:16:25,199
And so we just all have to be

2295
02:16:25,199 --> 02:16:26,639
coordinated. And that's what's so

2296
02:16:26,639 --> 02:16:28,639
awesome about the connect is that's what

2297
02:16:28,639 --> 02:16:30,079
we're trying to do is we're trying to

2298
02:16:30,079 --> 02:16:32,000
get to the underlying issues so that we

2299
02:16:32,000 --> 02:16:34,559
don't keep having the victimization.

2300
02:16:34,559 --> 02:16:35,830
>> Okay. Thank you. Because I'm just I'm

2301
02:16:35,830 --> 02:16:35,840
» Okay. Thank you. Because I'm just I'm

2302
02:16:35,840 --> 02:16:37,120
just looking at the design. I have one

2303
02:16:37,120 --> 02:16:38,639
other question. The design of the you

2304
02:16:38,639 --> 02:16:40,319
know a campus with it congregate care

2305
02:16:40,319 --> 02:16:42,080
and congregate care. You know that the

2306
02:16:42,080 --> 02:16:44,080
safety of an individual sitting on a c

2307
02:16:44,080 --> 02:16:46,719
you know in a bunk room isn't safe until

2308
02:16:46,719 --> 02:16:48,880
they don't sleep. But you know it's also

2309
02:16:48,880 --> 02:16:51,599
less expensive than congre with a room

2310
02:16:51,599 --> 02:16:53,679
in a lock. But it's also safe for them

2311
02:16:53,679 --> 02:16:55,280
because they can also actually sleep and

2312
02:16:55,280 --> 02:16:57,519
get their circadian rhythms back in

2313
02:16:57,519 --> 02:17:00,479
their mind probably set. So I'm just I'm

2314
02:17:00,479 --> 02:17:02,080
I asked that question because I'm trying

2315
02:17:02,080 --> 02:17:03,599
to

2316
02:17:03,599 --> 02:17:05,120
make sure that we're not creating a

2317
02:17:05,120 --> 02:17:07,359
bigger problem by one

2318
02:17:07,359 --> 02:17:09,429
>> with a wrong solution

2319
02:17:09,429 --> 02:17:09,439
» with a wrong solution

2320
02:17:09,439 --> 02:17:10,639
problem. Yeah. I mean those are

2321
02:17:10,639 --> 02:17:12,240
definitely concerns that we should all

2322
02:17:12,240 --> 02:17:13,439
be thinking about

2323
02:17:13,439 --> 02:17:16,309
>> that. You know, it was interesting back

2324
02:17:16,309 --> 02:17:16,319
» that. You know, it was interesting back

2325
02:17:16,319 --> 02:17:19,439
when the road home was in downtown that,

2326
02:17:19,439 --> 02:17:21,519
you know, we were directed at the time

2327
02:17:21,519 --> 02:17:22,880
from at the Department of Public Safety

2328
02:17:22,880 --> 02:17:24,399
to go do some policing inside the

2329
02:17:24,399 --> 02:17:26,319
shelter and there were concerns that,

2330
02:17:26,319 --> 02:17:27,599
well, this is going to keep people from

2331
02:17:27,599 --> 02:17:29,920
coming to the shelters. So, we actually

2332
02:17:29,920 --> 02:17:31,840
did listening session with the people

2333
02:17:31,840 --> 02:17:33,679
that were using the shelter. We had a

2334
02:17:33,679 --> 02:17:36,800
community meeting there and we said,

2335
02:17:36,800 --> 02:17:38,160
"What do you think about this?" And they

2336
02:17:38,160 --> 02:17:39,920
said, "We want you there. We're getting

2337
02:17:39,920 --> 02:17:42,080
our stuff stolen. we're getting, you

2338
02:17:42,080 --> 02:17:43,120
know, we're trying to overcome our

2339
02:17:43,120 --> 02:17:44,399
addictions and drugs are available

2340
02:17:44,399 --> 02:17:47,200
inside. So, you know, setting

2341
02:17:47,200 --> 02:17:49,439
expectations and accountability help

2342
02:17:49,439 --> 02:17:52,479
these individuals um succeed as well.

2343
02:17:52,479 --> 02:17:54,960
So, accountability is compassion at the

2344
02:17:54,960 --> 02:17:56,319
end of the day. It's just how it's

2345
02:17:56,319 --> 02:17:58,240
delivered and it has to be delivered in

2346
02:17:58,240 --> 02:18:00,960
the right way. We have to care for these

2347
02:18:00,960 --> 02:18:01,679
people

2348
02:18:01,679 --> 02:18:03,669
>> as we do this. Thank you. I just have

2349
02:18:03,669 --> 02:18:03,679
» as we do this. Thank you. I just have

2350
02:18:03,679 --> 02:18:06,559
one more question, Mr. Sure. And that's

2351
02:18:06,559 --> 02:18:09,120
uh kind of switching gears here in

2352
02:18:09,120 --> 02:18:12,000
subject is we've had a lot of uh emails

2353
02:18:12,000 --> 02:18:13,760
and calls about the license plate

2354
02:18:13,760 --> 02:18:15,519
readers. Can you give us an update on

2355
02:18:15,519 --> 02:18:18,479
that? And we had a great uh staff report

2356
02:18:18,479 --> 02:18:20,559
probably from you through Michael and

2357
02:18:20,559 --> 02:18:22,240
that was wonderful to to read through

2358
02:18:22,240 --> 02:18:24,160
that. But could you kind of like a walk

2359
02:18:24,160 --> 02:18:27,280
us through license plate readers and uh

2360
02:18:27,280 --> 02:18:29,280
what we can do, what we can't do and

2361
02:18:29,280 --> 02:18:30,559
who's involved.

2362
02:18:30,559 --> 02:18:33,589
>> Yeah, absolutely. So the we are working

2363
02:18:33,589 --> 02:18:33,599
» Yeah, absolutely. So the we are working

2364
02:18:33,599 --> 02:18:35,760
on developing our real-time crime

2365
02:18:35,760 --> 02:18:37,519
center. These are these centers have

2366
02:18:37,519 --> 02:18:39,040
have come up in cities all over the

2367
02:18:39,040 --> 02:18:41,040
country. San Francisco has a an active

2368
02:18:41,040 --> 02:18:42,880
real-time crime center. Las Vegas,

2369
02:18:42,880 --> 02:18:49,120
Seattle, um Phoenix, Mesa, Arizona. So

2370
02:18:49,120 --> 02:18:50,639
there's, I think, some misconceptions

2371
02:18:50,639 --> 02:18:53,760
about what a real-time crime center is.

2372
02:18:53,760 --> 02:18:55,760
And and it is the utilization of of

2373
02:18:55,760 --> 02:18:59,040
cameras and license plate readers. Um,

2374
02:18:59,040 --> 02:19:01,280
and there will also be drones that can

2375
02:19:01,280 --> 02:19:04,240
be deployed um, in in response to calls

2376
02:19:04,240 --> 02:19:06,240
for service. I think the most important

2377
02:19:06,240 --> 02:19:08,240
point to to to a couple important

2378
02:19:08,240 --> 02:19:10,240
points. One, the city's had license

2379
02:19:10,240 --> 02:19:12,800
plate readers for a while. The police

2380
02:19:12,800 --> 02:19:14,719
department has utilized them. They're

2381
02:19:14,719 --> 02:19:16,479
only they're they're governed by state

2382
02:19:16,479 --> 02:19:19,280
statute. State statute governs when a

2383
02:19:19,280 --> 02:19:20,960
license plate reader could be accessed.

2384
02:19:20,960 --> 02:19:23,519
There has to be a a a crime. There has

2385
02:19:23,519 --> 02:19:25,519
to be a reasonable suspicion of a crime

2386
02:19:25,519 --> 02:19:26,880
and these things are tracked and

2387
02:19:26,880 --> 02:19:28,559
audited. So, I think those are important

2388
02:19:28,559 --> 02:19:32,559
points. Um, our real-time crime center

2389
02:19:32,559 --> 02:19:35,840
uh is is going to be utilized for active

2390
02:19:35,840 --> 02:19:38,000
priority one and priority 2 calls. And I

2391
02:19:38,000 --> 02:19:41,200
have a I have a sheet here, but uh and I

2392
02:19:41,200 --> 02:19:42,800
can and I can just kind of talk about a

2393
02:19:42,800 --> 02:19:44,559
robbery call as an example. Okay, so a

2394
02:19:44,559 --> 02:19:46,880
robbery call comes in, the real-time

2395
02:19:46,880 --> 02:19:48,800
crime center here hears the call and

2396
02:19:48,800 --> 02:19:50,880
begins accessing the camera in the area

2397
02:19:50,880 --> 02:19:54,399
of the robbery. Um, we're not doing

2398
02:19:54,399 --> 02:19:55,920
this. We're we're testing this, but

2399
02:19:55,920 --> 02:19:57,840
we're not doing it yet. Drones can

2400
02:19:57,840 --> 02:20:00,479
deploy to the area. I have an officer to

2401
02:20:00,479 --> 02:20:02,080
get an overview of what's happening in

2402
02:20:02,080 --> 02:20:04,720
the area. Officers are updated with the

2403
02:20:04,720 --> 02:20:06,319
information as they're responding. This

2404
02:20:06,319 --> 02:20:08,800
can reduce safet this this can improve

2405
02:20:08,800 --> 02:20:10,319
the safety of the officers and the

2406
02:20:10,319 --> 02:20:12,000
community because they're having they

2407
02:20:12,000 --> 02:20:13,760
have real-time information as they're

2408
02:20:13,760 --> 02:20:17,439
approaching. Um, if if a car is

2409
02:20:17,439 --> 02:20:20,640
identified or a plate is identified as

2410
02:20:20,640 --> 02:20:22,800
the as as it leaves the area, it could

2411
02:20:22,800 --> 02:20:24,800
be it could be it could be followed by

2412
02:20:24,800 --> 02:20:26,720
the drone as officers are getting to the

2413
02:20:26,720 --> 02:20:28,880
area. A license plate reader may pick it

2414
02:20:28,880 --> 02:20:31,439
up in in the city. I think that and then

2415
02:20:31,439 --> 02:20:33,439
it just it's just we have access to all

2416
02:20:33,439 --> 02:20:35,520
of these things now. It's just done more

2417
02:20:35,520 --> 02:20:37,439
quickly and in real time so that we can

2418
02:20:37,439 --> 02:20:40,560
resolve the the issue more quickly.

2419
02:20:40,560 --> 02:20:42,479
Drones can be used and they have been

2420
02:20:42,479 --> 02:20:44,080
used when there was a fire up in the

2421
02:20:44,080 --> 02:20:45,680
hills. We can get a drone there before

2422
02:20:45,680 --> 02:20:47,280
officers and fire get there to get an

2423
02:20:47,280 --> 02:20:49,840
overview or we need to protect people.

2424
02:20:49,840 --> 02:20:51,680
We can stop, you know, kidnapping

2425
02:20:51,680 --> 02:20:54,160
suspects and things like that. The key

2426
02:20:54,160 --> 02:20:56,720
is it's used only activated on priority

2427
02:20:56,720 --> 02:20:59,280
one or two calls. It can be utilized to

2428
02:20:59,280 --> 02:21:00,640
assist when a crime has already

2429
02:21:00,640 --> 02:21:02,640
occurred. we can go back and look if a

2430
02:21:02,640 --> 02:21:04,560
murder occurs and we didn't resolve it

2431
02:21:04,560 --> 02:21:05,760
right there on the spot. We didn't get

2432
02:21:05,760 --> 02:21:08,240
the person, we can utilize some some of

2433
02:21:08,240 --> 02:21:09,680
that which we already do and have been

2434
02:21:09,680 --> 02:21:13,439
doing for years. Uh and then go ahead,

2435
02:21:13,439 --> 02:21:14,960
council member.

2436
02:21:14,960 --> 02:21:16,150
>> Well, I was just going to say what a

2437
02:21:16,150 --> 02:21:16,160
» Well, I was just going to say what a

2438
02:21:16,160 --> 02:21:18,000
crime what what what it is what a crime

2439
02:21:18,000 --> 02:21:19,520
realtime crime center is not. I think

2440
02:21:19,520 --> 02:21:21,120
it's important to understand that the

2441
02:21:21,120 --> 02:21:23,920
cameras are not constantly monitored.

2442
02:21:23,920 --> 02:21:27,200
The LPR are not constantly monitored.

2443
02:21:27,200 --> 02:21:28,720
Um,

2444
02:21:28,720 --> 02:21:30,960
there's no ability to integrate facial

2445
02:21:30,960 --> 02:21:32,560
recognition into our real-time crime

2446
02:21:32,560 --> 02:21:33,520
center. There's not going to be any

2447
02:21:33,520 --> 02:21:35,280
facial recognition. That's also governed

2448
02:21:35,280 --> 02:21:37,680
by state statute and it's very limited

2449
02:21:37,680 --> 02:21:40,399
in its use in Utah. It's and the

2450
02:21:40,399 --> 02:21:41,920
Department of Public Safety oversees

2451
02:21:41,920 --> 02:21:45,920
facial recognition in Utah. Um,

2452
02:21:45,920 --> 02:21:47,760
and drones are not going to be just

2453
02:21:47,760 --> 02:21:49,359
flying around the city patrolling and

2454
02:21:49,359 --> 02:21:51,439
going over property. There's there's

2455
02:21:51,439 --> 02:21:53,600
there's there's tracking of the drones,

2456
02:21:53,600 --> 02:21:55,200
camera angles, and that's all publicly

2457
02:21:55,200 --> 02:21:57,280
available on on our website when we're

2458
02:21:57,280 --> 02:21:59,439
we're done setting this thing up. So, um

2459
02:21:59,439 --> 02:22:00,640
I hope that's helpful. I don't know if

2460
02:22:00,640 --> 02:22:01,840
there's additional questions.

2461
02:22:01,840 --> 02:22:03,830
>> Yeah, Lopez Chavez, go ahead.

2462
02:22:03,830 --> 02:22:03,840
» Yeah, Lopez Chavez, go ahead.

2463
02:22:03,840 --> 02:22:05,910
>> Thank you. Um I just wanted to reiterate

2464
02:22:05,910 --> 02:22:05,920
» Thank you. Um I just wanted to reiterate

2465
02:22:05,920 --> 02:22:08,880
the concerns I've been receiving and uh

2466
02:22:08,880 --> 02:22:10,560
I wanted to clarify. So, I'm going to

2467
02:22:10,560 --> 02:22:12,080
ask a few different questions, but can

2468
02:22:12,080 --> 02:22:14,960
you clarify if Salt Lake City is in a

2469
02:22:14,960 --> 02:22:17,280
contract today with Flock Technologies?

2470
02:22:17,280 --> 02:22:18,710
>> No, we're not.

2471
02:22:18,710 --> 02:22:18,720
» No, we're not.

2472
02:22:18,720 --> 02:22:20,070
>> Thank you for clarifying. Can you

2473
02:22:20,070 --> 02:22:20,080
» Thank you for clarifying. Can you

2474
02:22:20,080 --> 02:22:21,830
>> We don't have any plans to to do

2475
02:22:21,830 --> 02:22:21,840
» We don't have any plans to to do

2476
02:22:21,840 --> 02:22:24,319
anything with Flock right now.

2477
02:22:24,319 --> 02:22:26,150
>> We're we're with the We We don't use

2478
02:22:26,150 --> 02:22:26,160
» We're we're with the We We don't use

2479
02:22:26,160 --> 02:22:27,760
their LPRs.

2480
02:22:27,760 --> 02:22:29,190
>> Yeah. Thank you for clarifying the

2481
02:22:29,190 --> 02:22:29,200
» Yeah. Thank you for clarifying the

2482
02:22:29,200 --> 02:22:32,080
record. Can you help me understand if we

2483
02:22:32,080 --> 02:22:34,000
currently contract or provide any of our

2484
02:22:34,000 --> 02:22:36,080
data repository with federal agencies

2485
02:22:36,080 --> 02:22:37,760
such as ICE Enforcement?

2486
02:22:37,760 --> 02:22:41,429
>> We do not uh share with ICE. Um we can

2487
02:22:41,429 --> 02:22:41,439
» We do not uh share with ICE. Um we can

2488
02:22:41,439 --> 02:22:43,359
share with other federal agencies like

2489
02:22:43,359 --> 02:22:46,720
the DEA or uh the FBI, but we're not

2490
02:22:46,720 --> 02:22:48,720
sharing with ICE right now. Thank you

2491
02:22:48,720 --> 02:22:50,399
for clarifying that, Chief. And then can

2492
02:22:50,399 --> 02:22:52,479
you help me understand uh part of this

2493
02:22:52,479 --> 02:22:54,640
is a cops grant. It's a federal grant.

2494
02:22:54,640 --> 02:22:57,359
Um I know that we already have different

2495
02:22:57,359 --> 02:22:59,359
license plate readers. Can you help me

2496
02:22:59,359 --> 02:23:01,920
understand what made us want to position

2497
02:23:01,920 --> 02:23:03,840
these ones specifically in the Northwest

2498
02:23:03,840 --> 02:23:05,920
entry? Um specifically, there was some

2499
02:23:05,920 --> 02:23:08,319
concerns about the geography possibility

2500
02:23:08,319 --> 02:23:10,560
of over policing in these areas. Can you

2501
02:23:10,560 --> 02:23:12,640
help me understand the locations and how

2502
02:23:12,640 --> 02:23:15,120
that was decided? Yeah, I mean there

2503
02:23:15,120 --> 02:23:17,920
locations that uh where where cars come

2504
02:23:17,920 --> 02:23:19,920
in and out of the city. So that's that's

2505
02:23:19,920 --> 02:23:21,200
one of the reasons, you know, when a

2506
02:23:21,200 --> 02:23:22,720
crime occurs in Salt Lake City, one of

2507
02:23:22,720 --> 02:23:24,960
the first things people typically do is

2508
02:23:24,960 --> 02:23:28,000
get out of the city. And so that's what

2509
02:23:28,000 --> 02:23:30,240
how some of the location is determined.

2510
02:23:30,240 --> 02:23:32,880
Um that that's you know, we we try to

2511
02:23:32,880 --> 02:23:35,120
set them up so that we have a good uh

2512
02:23:35,120 --> 02:23:37,040
the ability to, you know, to track

2513
02:23:37,040 --> 02:23:38,479
people coming in and out of the city or

2514
02:23:38,479 --> 02:23:40,319
or or whatever. I mean that's you know

2515
02:23:40,319 --> 02:23:42,080
we try to get abroad across the whole

2516
02:23:42,080 --> 02:23:43,200
city

2517
02:23:43,200 --> 02:23:45,190
>> and you know a lot of the concerns have

2518
02:23:45,190 --> 02:23:45,200
» and you know a lot of the concerns have

2519
02:23:45,200 --> 02:23:46,800
come from mass surveillance and what

2520
02:23:46,800 --> 02:23:48,319
does that look like for municipalities

2521
02:23:48,319 --> 02:23:50,240
to start to engage in surveillance

2522
02:23:50,240 --> 02:23:52,640
policies. I know that Salt Lake City and

2523
02:23:52,640 --> 02:23:54,399
just looking at our policies

2524
02:23:54,399 --> 02:23:56,479
surveillance is something that we are

2525
02:23:56,479 --> 02:23:58,000
still new to actually

2526
02:23:58,000 --> 02:23:59,510
>> um and even though it's defined by state

2527
02:23:59,510 --> 02:23:59,520
» um and even though it's defined by state

2528
02:23:59,520 --> 02:24:01,439
code I'm really interested in having a

2529
02:24:01,439 --> 02:24:03,280
conversation about providing those

2530
02:24:03,280 --> 02:24:04,560
safeguards if we're going to keep

2531
02:24:04,560 --> 02:24:06,479
installing and growing this type of

2532
02:24:06,479 --> 02:24:08,640
infrastructure. I think a lot of the

2533
02:24:08,640 --> 02:24:10,240
concerns that I'm hearing from community

2534
02:24:10,240 --> 02:24:11,920
members is not only is there immense

2535
02:24:11,920 --> 02:24:14,479
distrust uh still of certain departments

2536
02:24:14,479 --> 02:24:16,880
and practices and surveillance, but

2537
02:24:16,880 --> 02:24:18,160
making sure that they still have

2538
02:24:18,160 --> 02:24:20,319
personal liberties and rights to to

2539
02:24:20,319 --> 02:24:22,319
privacy. And I'd love to have that

2540
02:24:22,319 --> 02:24:24,399
discussion both with you and with the

2541
02:24:24,399 --> 02:24:26,240
community members. um a lot of them

2542
02:24:26,240 --> 02:24:28,880
today are they they see this as

2543
02:24:28,880 --> 02:24:30,960
oversight and over governance and I'd

2544
02:24:30,960 --> 02:24:32,800
love to hear from your perspective how

2545
02:24:32,800 --> 02:24:35,760
your department is looking to both

2546
02:24:35,760 --> 02:24:38,479
respect those private policies um and

2547
02:24:38,479 --> 02:24:40,479
conduct this in a way where we may not

2548
02:24:40,479 --> 02:24:42,560
need an officer but we are using a

2549
02:24:42,560 --> 02:24:45,359
technology as to not deter the use of an

2550
02:24:45,359 --> 02:24:46,640
officer.

2551
02:24:46,640 --> 02:24:49,190
>> Yeah. Well, I think when when we we had

2552
02:24:49,190 --> 02:24:49,200
» Yeah. Well, I think when when we we had

2553
02:24:49,200 --> 02:24:52,000
our budget uh med [clears throat] uh

2554
02:24:52,000 --> 02:24:55,680
session and and you all gave us the um

2555
02:24:55,680 --> 02:24:58,080
charge to go and work with the racial

2556
02:24:58,080 --> 02:25:01,600
equity policing commission uh on privacy

2557
02:25:01,600 --> 02:25:03,359
civil liberty concerns and so we have

2558
02:25:03,359 --> 02:25:04,800
been we have met with them. I've

2559
02:25:04,800 --> 02:25:06,479
referenced uh I mean we've talked with

2560
02:25:06,479 --> 02:25:09,040
them about that. But we've what I told

2561
02:25:09,040 --> 02:25:10,479
the the commission is that we're working

2562
02:25:10,479 --> 02:25:12,960
with the ACLU and we've been work we've

2563
02:25:12,960 --> 02:25:15,200
had we've had a couple meetings uh at

2564
02:25:15,200 --> 02:25:17,439
least two meetings with the ACLU since

2565
02:25:17,439 --> 02:25:18,960
July

2566
02:25:18,960 --> 02:25:21,680
and uh and we do we've we we're starting

2567
02:25:21,680 --> 02:25:24,960
to kind of I have a I have a one page

2568
02:25:24,960 --> 02:25:26,560
here where we're trying to start to

2569
02:25:26,560 --> 02:25:28,160
articulate what the real-time crime

2570
02:25:28,160 --> 02:25:29,760
center is, how it is to be used, how it

2571
02:25:29,760 --> 02:25:31,840
isn't to be used. Again, a lot of these

2572
02:25:31,840 --> 02:25:34,160
technologies we've had in the city for a

2573
02:25:34,160 --> 02:25:37,520
number of years. Um, we do need, but I

2574
02:25:37,520 --> 02:25:39,280
agree. We need to make sure the city,

2575
02:25:39,280 --> 02:25:41,200
the community feels comfortable. They

2576
02:25:41,200 --> 02:25:43,040
have some some visibility into what

2577
02:25:43,040 --> 02:25:44,560
we're doing. They need to be they need

2578
02:25:44,560 --> 02:25:46,080
to have confidence that we're utilizing

2579
02:25:46,080 --> 02:25:48,560
the technology properly. Um, I've had

2580
02:25:48,560 --> 02:25:49,920
experience at the Department of Public

2581
02:25:49,920 --> 02:25:52,240
Safety um

2582
02:25:52,240 --> 02:25:53,920
dealing with the facial recognition when

2583
02:25:53,920 --> 02:25:55,920
that was a big issue a few years ago and

2584
02:25:55,920 --> 02:25:57,439
I think we got it into a good place

2585
02:25:57,439 --> 02:25:59,280
where people are confident how it's used

2586
02:25:59,280 --> 02:26:01,680
and that it's used properly. So, I would

2587
02:26:01,680 --> 02:26:04,640
be open to um meeting with any community

2588
02:26:04,640 --> 02:26:06,720
members who have concerns, uh sitting

2589
02:26:06,720 --> 02:26:08,240
down with them, hearing them out, and

2590
02:26:08,240 --> 02:26:10,640
and making sure we have those privac

2591
02:26:10,640 --> 02:26:12,240
privacy civil liberties and people are

2592
02:26:12,240 --> 02:26:13,760
comfortable with what we're doing. I

2593
02:26:13,760 --> 02:26:17,520
will say, um other cities that have been

2594
02:26:17,520 --> 02:26:19,520
utilizing their their center have been

2595
02:26:19,520 --> 02:26:22,080
have been solving crime, you know, and

2596
02:26:22,080 --> 02:26:25,520
and doing it in a way that I think is um

2597
02:26:25,520 --> 02:26:27,760
that I think our our city would be I

2598
02:26:27,760 --> 02:26:29,040
think our residents would be good with.

2599
02:26:29,040 --> 02:26:30,560
We need to we need to make sure everyone

2600
02:26:30,560 --> 02:26:32,479
feels comfortable with that. And so I'd

2601
02:26:32,479 --> 02:26:33,600
love to get in the rooms with those

2602
02:26:33,600 --> 02:26:34,080
people.

2603
02:26:34,080 --> 02:26:36,070
>> Yeah, I I love this idea of alternative

2604
02:26:36,070 --> 02:26:36,080
» Yeah, I I love this idea of alternative

2605
02:26:36,080 --> 02:26:38,640
policing and I think technology can help

2606
02:26:38,640 --> 02:26:41,680
and I think it it can also create more

2607
02:26:41,680 --> 02:26:43,520
uh contradictions within those policies

2608
02:26:43,520 --> 02:26:45,600
and so clearly defining that is good. My

2609
02:26:45,600 --> 02:26:47,120
final question was just making sure that

2610
02:26:47,120 --> 02:26:48,960
the vendor that we're working with can't

2611
02:26:48,960 --> 02:26:50,800
sell our data to Flock or any other

2612
02:26:50,800 --> 02:26:54,640
entity can't sell our data to other um

2613
02:26:54,640 --> 02:26:57,200
agencies. Uh this is still a matter of

2614
02:26:57,200 --> 02:26:59,200
privacy and we see a lot of overreach in

2615
02:26:59,200 --> 02:27:01,359
governance. I I wanted to understand

2616
02:27:01,359 --> 02:27:04,240
would SLCPD own that data um or would

2617
02:27:04,240 --> 02:27:05,280
this be something that could be

2618
02:27:05,280 --> 02:27:07,520
extrapolated and used to harm residents?

2619
02:27:07,520 --> 02:27:09,349
>> No, we've been working on that and it

2620
02:27:09,349 --> 02:27:09,359
» No, we've been working on that and it

2621
02:27:09,359 --> 02:27:12,240
will be it will be our data we control

2622
02:27:12,240 --> 02:27:14,640
the the distribution of that data.

2623
02:27:14,640 --> 02:27:16,469
>> Okay. Um we still have questions from

2624
02:27:16,469 --> 02:27:16,479
» Okay. Um we still have questions from

2625
02:27:16,479 --> 02:27:17,840
Council Member Young and Council Member

2626
02:27:17,840 --> 02:27:20,720
Petro. Um I have a quick question and

2627
02:27:20,720 --> 02:27:24,240
we're about 10 minutes over so please um

2628
02:27:24,240 --> 02:27:25,760
keep that in mind when you're asking

2629
02:27:25,760 --> 02:27:26,640
your questions.

2630
02:27:26,640 --> 02:27:28,790
>> Well there uh Chief Redd so last week

2631
02:27:28,790 --> 02:27:28,800
» Well there uh Chief Redd so last week

2632
02:27:28,800 --> 02:27:31,359
there was an Amber Alert. These types of

2633
02:27:31,359 --> 02:27:33,280
systems and solutions help us to find

2634
02:27:33,280 --> 02:27:35,200
kids in those like very dangerous

2635
02:27:35,200 --> 02:27:37,920
situations faster um hopefully leading

2636
02:27:37,920 --> 02:27:40,240
to a more positive resolution.

2637
02:27:40,240 --> 02:27:41,750
>> Yeah. So if an Amber Alert were to go

2638
02:27:41,750 --> 02:27:41,760
» Yeah. So if an Amber Alert were to go

2639
02:27:41,760 --> 02:27:43,840
out and there's any nexus to Salt Lake

2640
02:27:43,840 --> 02:27:45,920
City potentially, we would we would

2641
02:27:45,920 --> 02:27:47,920
access the information to see if that

2642
02:27:47,920 --> 02:27:49,439
particular license plate had hit one of

2643
02:27:49,439 --> 02:27:51,600
our our readers. Yes, we would do that

2644
02:27:51,600 --> 02:27:53,280
and we have been doing that actually.

2645
02:27:53,280 --> 02:27:54,950
>> Thank you so much,

2646
02:27:54,950 --> 02:27:54,960
» Thank you so much,

2647
02:27:54,960 --> 02:27:57,030
>> Council Member Pedro.

2648
02:27:57,030 --> 02:27:57,040
» Council Member Pedro.

2649
02:27:57,040 --> 02:28:01,190
>> Um I agree that technology and enhancing

2650
02:28:01,190 --> 02:28:01,200
» Um I agree that technology and enhancing

2651
02:28:01,200 --> 02:28:04,800
our ability to provide access to

2652
02:28:04,800 --> 02:28:08,399
un unfettered justice for our people is

2653
02:28:08,399 --> 02:28:10,880
is in our best interest. Um, and I'm

2654
02:28:10,880 --> 02:28:12,240
willing to work as hard as we need to to

2655
02:28:12,240 --> 02:28:14,000
get to policies that get us to how we

2656
02:28:14,000 --> 02:28:17,200
responsibly engage them. Um, you said

2657
02:28:17,200 --> 02:28:18,800
we're not currently working and and

2658
02:28:18,800 --> 02:28:20,399
there's one federal agency that I don't

2659
02:28:20,399 --> 02:28:22,319
agree with that I think actually is a

2660
02:28:22,319 --> 02:28:23,920
constitutional violation and that

2661
02:28:23,920 --> 02:28:27,359
disproportionately is hurting my my

2662
02:28:27,359 --> 02:28:28,560
neighborhood. So, I'm going to

2663
02:28:28,560 --> 02:28:31,040
unabashedly speak right now. We are not

2664
02:28:31,040 --> 02:28:33,520
complying with ICE or their terror

2665
02:28:33,520 --> 02:28:37,280
tactics. Is there a way under which they

2666
02:28:37,280 --> 02:28:39,120
would compel

2667
02:28:39,120 --> 02:28:42,560
the surrender of any information or data

2668
02:28:42,560 --> 02:28:45,439
that we've collected that would leave us

2669
02:28:45,439 --> 02:28:47,280
vulnerable should we implement these

2670
02:28:47,280 --> 02:28:49,280
things in enhanced area near where my

2671
02:28:49,280 --> 02:28:50,240
neighbors are?

2672
02:28:50,240 --> 02:28:51,910
>> Uh not that I'm I mean not that I'm

2673
02:28:51,910 --> 02:28:51,920
» Uh not that I'm I mean not that I'm

2674
02:28:51,920 --> 02:28:56,800
aware of. Again um we cooperate with law

2675
02:28:56,800 --> 02:28:59,600
enforcement agencies on

2676
02:28:59,600 --> 02:29:01,840
issues around crime. If there's violent

2677
02:29:01,840 --> 02:29:04,399
crime, um, that's who we're going to

2678
02:29:04,399 --> 02:29:05,760
cooperate. We're going to we're going to

2679
02:29:05,760 --> 02:29:06,800
we're going to criminal.

2680
02:29:06,800 --> 02:29:09,190
>> So, we can specify violent crime. We

2681
02:29:09,190 --> 02:29:09,200
» So, we can specify violent crime. We

2682
02:29:09,200 --> 02:29:11,359
don't do civil infractions like,

2683
02:29:11,359 --> 02:29:13,030
>> right? We can Yeah, we can set it up.

2684
02:29:13,030 --> 02:29:13,040
» right? We can Yeah, we can set it up.

2685
02:29:13,040 --> 02:29:15,040
Um, and when you access criminal justice

2686
02:29:15,040 --> 02:29:17,840
datab databases, you typically are doing

2687
02:29:17,840 --> 02:29:19,840
that when there's a a crime. So, we can

2688
02:29:19,840 --> 02:29:21,158
set it up in that way. Mhm.

2689
02:29:21,158 --> 02:29:21,200
[clears throat]

2690
02:29:21,200 --> 02:29:22,710
>> Is there a possibility a state law would

2691
02:29:22,710 --> 02:29:22,720
» Is there a possibility a state law would

2692
02:29:22,720 --> 02:29:25,359
ever supersede our ability to retain the

2693
02:29:25,359 --> 02:29:27,200
independence to protect that data in

2694
02:29:27,200 --> 02:29:29,359
perpetuity should we decide to implement

2695
02:29:29,359 --> 02:29:29,600
mo

2696
02:29:29,600 --> 02:29:33,030
>> most of the criminal justice data uh

2697
02:29:33,030 --> 02:29:33,040
» most of the criminal justice data uh

2698
02:29:33,040 --> 02:29:37,200
sharing is governed by the FBI criminal

2699
02:29:37,200 --> 02:29:39,920
justice information services um and

2700
02:29:39,920 --> 02:29:43,200
that's kind of what we we follow. So,

2701
02:29:43,200 --> 02:29:46,000
um, I don't

2702
02:29:46,000 --> 02:29:47,920
I don't think the state can go too much

2703
02:29:47,920 --> 02:29:50,399
outside of what what what is set up and

2704
02:29:50,399 --> 02:29:51,840
what's been set up for years and years

2705
02:29:51,840 --> 02:29:53,600
through sieges, FBI's sieges.

2706
02:29:53,600 --> 02:29:55,030
>> I have to reiterate to our force, I

2707
02:29:55,030 --> 02:29:55,040
» I have to reiterate to our force, I

2708
02:29:55,040 --> 02:29:56,560
believe in what we are building here. I

2709
02:29:56,560 --> 02:29:58,240
believe in your leadership and I am

2710
02:29:58,240 --> 02:30:00,640
proud of what we're doing. I am not

2711
02:30:00,640 --> 02:30:02,479
interested in us playing culture war

2712
02:30:02,479 --> 02:30:04,240
games and penalizing the people who are

2713
02:30:04,240 --> 02:30:06,160
in my neighborhood for the sake of some

2714
02:30:06,160 --> 02:30:08,399
voting points that can't be made without

2715
02:30:08,399 --> 02:30:10,240
causing people to live in fear. So,

2716
02:30:10,240 --> 02:30:11,840
that's where I will be drawing my line.

2717
02:30:11,840 --> 02:30:14,640
consistently on this issue and should we

2718
02:30:14,640 --> 02:30:16,800
get to a place where we no longer can

2719
02:30:16,800 --> 02:30:18,800
assure that that data is being used, I

2720
02:30:18,800 --> 02:30:20,800
will actively push for deactivation of

2721
02:30:20,800 --> 02:30:23,439
anything we put into place um because I

2722
02:30:23,439 --> 02:30:25,680
just won't I'm not going to play these

2723
02:30:25,680 --> 02:30:26,399
games.

2724
02:30:26,399 --> 02:30:28,389
>> We'll we'll work we'll continue to work

2725
02:30:28,389 --> 02:30:28,399
» We'll we'll work we'll continue to work

2726
02:30:28,399 --> 02:30:30,479
closely with all of you to ensure that

2727
02:30:30,479 --> 02:30:32,319
you're informed on what we're doing and

2728
02:30:32,319 --> 02:30:34,080
how we're doing it so you can be your

2729
02:30:34,080 --> 02:30:35,280
constituency can become

2730
02:30:35,280 --> 02:30:36,710
>> this is not about our people. I love you

2731
02:30:36,710 --> 02:30:36,720
» this is not about our people. I love you

2732
02:30:36,720 --> 02:30:38,160
all.

2733
02:30:38,160 --> 02:30:40,950
>> Yeah.

2734
02:30:40,950 --> 02:30:40,960
» Yeah.

2735
02:30:40,960 --> 02:30:43,120
Oh, well, thanks very much, Chief. I

2736
02:30:43,120 --> 02:30:45,200
just wanted to you you referenced the

2737
02:30:45,200 --> 02:30:47,280
racial equity and policing commission.

2738
02:30:47,280 --> 02:30:50,479
Um, and we also have a human rights

2739
02:30:50,479 --> 02:30:51,840
commission. We also have a police

2740
02:30:51,840 --> 02:30:54,319
civilian review board. And these things

2741
02:30:54,319 --> 02:30:56,800
that these issues that we're struggling

2742
02:30:56,800 --> 02:30:58,240
with and talking about today with the

2743
02:30:58,240 --> 02:31:02,399
license plates and um with um with

2744
02:31:02,399 --> 02:31:04,319
working with other agencies, I mean,

2745
02:31:04,319 --> 02:31:06,880
these are like debates that have that

2746
02:31:06,880 --> 02:31:10,240
are older than this country. And I think

2747
02:31:10,240 --> 02:31:13,120
there's no end. There's no final answer.

2748
02:31:13,120 --> 02:31:16,960
Um it's a conversation. And as far as I

2749
02:31:16,960 --> 02:31:18,960
know, I I don't know of other cities

2750
02:31:18,960 --> 02:31:21,280
that any other city in Utah that has

2751
02:31:21,280 --> 02:31:22,720
like a racial equity and policing

2752
02:31:22,720 --> 02:31:25,040
commission. Um I don't know that many

2753
02:31:25,040 --> 02:31:27,120
other cities have like a human rights

2754
02:31:27,120 --> 02:31:31,040
commission. So I I say that to that, you

2755
02:31:31,040 --> 02:31:32,560
know, we have these groups of residents

2756
02:31:32,560 --> 02:31:36,560
that are, you know, just volunteers like

2757
02:31:36,560 --> 02:31:41,439
and members of our community that are

2758
02:31:41,439 --> 02:31:44,399
um tasked with going out and talking to

2759
02:31:44,399 --> 02:31:46,319
police, talking to the ACLU, talking to

2760
02:31:46,319 --> 02:31:49,200
people in our community. Um and I just

2761
02:31:49,200 --> 02:31:52,240
appreciate the department's openness.

2762
02:31:52,240 --> 02:31:55,280
Um, I can say from someone that that

2763
02:31:55,280 --> 02:31:56,720
served on the Human Rights Commission

2764
02:31:56,720 --> 02:32:01,040
that I have seen a huge difference in

2765
02:32:01,040 --> 02:32:04,479
the amount of information sharing um

2766
02:32:04,479 --> 02:32:07,200
that our department has has shared with

2767
02:32:07,200 --> 02:32:08,560
those groups and shared with the public

2768
02:32:08,560 --> 02:32:11,520
just in the time that I've been involved

2769
02:32:11,520 --> 02:32:14,240
um and a willingness to address the

2770
02:32:14,240 --> 02:32:17,280
concerns that my community, the LGBTQ

2771
02:32:17,280 --> 02:32:19,439
community has had with policing over the

2772
02:32:19,439 --> 02:32:22,800
years. So, I hope we can continue down

2773
02:32:22,800 --> 02:32:27,120
that positive path. Um, and um I want

2774
02:32:27,120 --> 02:32:28,800
all of these concerns that my colleagues

2775
02:32:28,800 --> 02:32:30,800
are are raising and that our communities

2776
02:32:30,800 --> 02:32:33,359
are raising to be part of that ongoing

2777
02:32:33,359 --> 02:32:34,479
conversation.

2778
02:32:34,479 --> 02:32:36,630
>> Absolutely. We'll we'll do that. And and

2779
02:32:36,630 --> 02:32:36,640
» Absolutely. We'll we'll do that. And and

2780
02:32:36,640 --> 02:32:38,240
I would just ask if if you have

2781
02:32:38,240 --> 02:32:41,040
constituents that you know need want to

2782
02:32:41,040 --> 02:32:43,120
meet with us, please just let us know so

2783
02:32:43,120 --> 02:32:45,280
we can we can sit down and and talk to

2784
02:32:45,280 --> 02:32:46,560
them and understand their their

2785
02:32:46,560 --> 02:32:47,600
perspective.

2786
02:32:47,600 --> 02:32:50,790
>> Thanks so much. I appreciate it. Um,

2787
02:32:50,790 --> 02:32:50,800
» Thanks so much. I appreciate it. Um,

2788
02:32:50,800 --> 02:32:51,840
Jennifer,

2789
02:32:51,840 --> 02:32:53,510
>> sorry, just wanted to clarify for the

2790
02:32:53,510 --> 02:32:53,520
» sorry, just wanted to clarify for the

2791
02:32:53,520 --> 02:32:55,359
record because it wasn't we we didn't

2792
02:32:55,359 --> 02:32:57,200
necessarily notice the work session to

2793
02:32:57,200 --> 02:32:59,040
talk about license plate readers, but I

2794
02:32:59,040 --> 02:33:00,720
appreciate the chief's willingness to

2795
02:33:00,720 --> 02:33:02,880
respond in real time to feedback we're

2796
02:33:02,880 --> 02:33:05,040
getting. It is on your guys's agenda

2797
02:33:05,040 --> 02:33:06,800
during the formal meeting as part of the

2798
02:33:06,800 --> 02:33:08,479
budget amendment number three public

2799
02:33:08,479 --> 02:33:10,720
hearing. Um there will be a motion sheet

2800
02:33:10,720 --> 02:33:12,960
option where if you need more time to

2801
02:33:12,960 --> 02:33:14,720
consider the issue and um receive

2802
02:33:14,720 --> 02:33:17,439
feedback, you can adopt um some but not

2803
02:33:17,439 --> 02:33:18,880
all of the budget amendment or you could

2804
02:33:18,880 --> 02:33:21,120
consider adopting tonight. Um the next

2805
02:33:21,120 --> 02:33:22,880
meeting is obviously in January. There

2806
02:33:22,880 --> 02:33:25,476
is a little bit of a a time crunch

2807
02:33:25,476 --> 02:33:27,040
[clears throat] with which to spend the

2808
02:33:27,040 --> 02:33:28,960
grant money. So um I think the

2809
02:33:28,960 --> 02:33:31,200
administration's hopeful that you'll

2810
02:33:31,200 --> 02:33:32,960
consider it sooner rather than later.

2811
02:33:32,960 --> 02:33:34,560
The other two items on the budget

2812
02:33:34,560 --> 02:33:36,560
amendment are more timesensitive from a

2813
02:33:36,560 --> 02:33:39,359
a spending grant money perspective. So,

2814
02:33:39,359 --> 02:33:40,960
um, just for your consideration at the

2815
02:33:40,960 --> 02:33:42,399
formal meeting.

2816
02:33:42,399 --> 02:33:44,070
>> Thank you. Yes, council app.

2817
02:33:44,070 --> 02:33:44,080
» Thank you. Yes, council app.

2818
02:33:44,080 --> 02:33:45,990
>> Is there ever a way to approve something

2819
02:33:45,990 --> 02:33:46,000
» Is there ever a way to approve something

2820
02:33:46,000 --> 02:33:48,000
with a contingency that if it was used

2821
02:33:48,000 --> 02:33:50,160
in a particular way, we can decommission

2822
02:33:50,160 --> 02:33:53,280
like a a trigger?

2823
02:33:53,280 --> 02:33:57,190
>> I guess from a from a um procedural

2824
02:33:57,190 --> 02:33:57,200
» I guess from a from a um procedural

2825
02:33:57,200 --> 02:33:59,200
standpoint, it would be hard to unspend

2826
02:33:59,200 --> 02:34:00,960
the money, right? So, I don't

2827
02:34:00,960 --> 02:34:02,870
>> I'm not looking I don't even need a

2828
02:34:02,870 --> 02:34:02,880
» I'm not looking I don't even need a

2829
02:34:02,880 --> 02:34:05,520
refund. What I need is for the work to

2830
02:34:05,520 --> 02:34:06,080
cease.

2831
02:34:06,080 --> 02:34:07,990
>> Got it. Okay. Well, we could we could

2832
02:34:07,990 --> 02:34:08,000
» Got it. Okay. Well, we could we could

2833
02:34:08,000 --> 02:34:10,160
chat with the attorney's office um in

2834
02:34:10,160 --> 02:34:12,240
the meantime and see if that's something

2835
02:34:12,240 --> 02:34:14,880
we can consider just to provide some

2836
02:34:14,880 --> 02:34:16,880
predictability for the future.

2837
02:34:16,880 --> 02:34:18,630
>> If I may if I may, Mr. Chair.

2838
02:34:18,630 --> 02:34:18,640
» If I may if I may, Mr. Chair.

2839
02:34:18,640 --> 02:34:19,190
>> Yes, please.

2840
02:34:19,190 --> 02:34:19,200
» Yes, please.

2841
02:34:19,200 --> 02:34:20,710
>> I I'd like to leave this with you. It

2842
02:34:20,710 --> 02:34:20,720
» I I'd like to leave this with you. It

2843
02:34:20,720 --> 02:34:22,399
might be helpful as you go into your

2844
02:34:22,399 --> 02:34:24,479
session tonight if that's okay.

2845
02:34:24,479 --> 02:34:28,389
>> Thank you. Um all right, let's move on

2846
02:34:28,389 --> 02:34:28,399
» Thank you. Um all right, let's move on

2847
02:34:28,399 --> 02:34:32,399
to agenda item number. Um, so five is a

2848
02:34:32,399 --> 02:34:34,800
written briefing, but just um for the

2849
02:34:34,800 --> 02:34:36,319
benefit of anyone listening, it's about

2850
02:34:36,319 --> 02:34:38,240
enacting temporary zoning regulations

2851
02:34:38,240 --> 02:34:41,920
for the VA Youth Resource Center. Um,

2852
02:34:41,920 --> 02:34:44,640
the next is a board appointment to the

2853
02:34:44,640 --> 02:34:46,479
Historic Landmark Commission for Mark

2854
02:34:46,479 --> 02:34:50,160
McGrath. And I know Mark is here. Yes.

2855
02:34:50,160 --> 02:34:52,240
Uh, just give us one second. Well, come

2856
02:34:52,240 --> 02:35:02,070
on down. Come on down.

2857
02:35:02,080 --> 02:35:04,319
So, please have a seat. Um, make sure

2858
02:35:04,319 --> 02:35:06,479
that that you turn the microphone on and

2859
02:35:06,479 --> 02:35:09,280
that the green light is on. And this is

2860
02:35:09,280 --> 02:35:11,280
your opportunity to just tell us a

2861
02:35:11,280 --> 02:35:12,800
little bit about yourself and your

2862
02:35:12,800 --> 02:35:15,200
background and why you're interested in

2863
02:35:15,200 --> 02:35:17,520
serving on the Historic Landmarks

2864
02:35:17,520 --> 02:35:18,960
Commission.

2865
02:35:18,960 --> 02:35:20,870
>> Okay. Well, uh, first of all, my

2866
02:35:20,870 --> 02:35:20,880
» Okay. Well, uh, first of all, my

2867
02:35:20,880 --> 02:35:24,240
background. Um, I just retired last

2868
02:35:24,240 --> 02:35:28,080
month after 33 years as a city planner

2869
02:35:28,080 --> 02:35:30,000
in a couple different communities

2870
02:35:30,000 --> 02:35:34,240
locally here. Um, the last 25 years I

2871
02:35:34,240 --> 02:35:36,640
spent at Taylor'sville City about 20 of

2872
02:35:36,640 --> 02:35:38,479
those years as the community development

2873
02:35:38,479 --> 02:35:40,479
director. So, I had my fingers on

2874
02:35:40,479 --> 02:35:43,040
building planning, code enforcement,

2875
02:35:43,040 --> 02:35:46,160
engineering, uh, business licensing, you

2876
02:35:46,160 --> 02:35:48,080
know, pretty much everything uh, that

2877
02:35:48,080 --> 02:35:49,600
has to do with community development one

2878
02:35:49,600 --> 02:35:51,760
way or another. Uh the last five years

2879
02:35:51,760 --> 02:35:53,600
at Taylor'sville, I've mo primarily been

2880
02:35:53,600 --> 02:35:57,200
focused on projects. Um we I've done a

2881
02:35:57,200 --> 02:36:01,040
couple plans, a general plan. I I uh

2882
02:36:01,040 --> 02:36:04,080
worked on our um station area plan for

2883
02:36:04,080 --> 02:36:06,160
our three bus rapid transit stations in

2884
02:36:06,160 --> 02:36:09,439
Taylor'sville. Uh I've worked on the bus

2885
02:36:09,439 --> 02:36:11,760
rapid transit and various other projects

2886
02:36:11,760 --> 02:36:14,880
at Taylor'sville. Um, while I was at

2887
02:36:14,880 --> 02:36:17,520
Taylor'sville, one of the kind of the

2888
02:36:17,520 --> 02:36:20,160
jokes in the in the local planning world

2889
02:36:20,160 --> 02:36:22,080
was that Taylor'sville had become the

2890
02:36:22,080 --> 02:36:25,600
minor leagues for uh Salt Lake City. Uh,

2891
02:36:25,600 --> 02:36:28,479
I'm proud to say that I hired Nick

2892
02:36:28,479 --> 02:36:30,960
Norris uh right out of college. Gave him

2893
02:36:30,960 --> 02:36:32,560
his first job at Taylorville City, as

2894
02:36:32,560 --> 02:36:34,080
you may be aware. He's really made a

2895
02:36:34,080 --> 02:36:36,640
name for himself in this business. Um,

2896
02:36:36,640 --> 02:36:38,319
Michael Malloy, who used to work here in

2897
02:36:38,319 --> 02:36:40,080
the planning department, uh, gave him

2898
02:36:40,080 --> 02:36:43,359
his first job. and uh Amanda Roman also

2899
02:36:43,359 --> 02:36:44,960
came through Taylorville and Angela

2900
02:36:44,960 --> 02:36:47,600
Price. So I I think it's a well-deserved

2901
02:36:47,600 --> 02:36:50,960
honor. Uh

2902
02:36:50,960 --> 02:36:54,160
um prior to Taylor'sville, I worked for

2903
02:36:54,160 --> 02:36:57,120
Midvail for about eight years. I was

2904
02:36:57,120 --> 02:36:59,040
involved in a lot of uh historic

2905
02:36:59,040 --> 02:37:00,240
preservation issues there at

2906
02:37:00,240 --> 02:37:02,479
Taylor'sville, uh much more so than at

2907
02:37:02,479 --> 02:37:04,640
at Taylor'sville.

2908
02:37:04,640 --> 02:37:07,200
And then I'm also a I've been a a

2909
02:37:07,200 --> 02:37:08,800
part-time adjunct professor at the

2910
02:37:08,800 --> 02:37:10,000
University of Utah College of

2911
02:37:10,000 --> 02:37:11,520
Architecture and Planning for about the

2912
02:37:11,520 --> 02:37:14,479
last 15 years. Uh I co-e a class with

2913
02:37:14,479 --> 02:37:16,000
Michael Malloy called City and

2914
02:37:16,000 --> 02:37:18,240
Literature where we study uh urban

2915
02:37:18,240 --> 02:37:21,600
planning classics uh classic books. Um

2916
02:37:21,600 --> 02:37:22,960
so that's that's pretty much my

2917
02:37:22,960 --> 02:37:26,399
professional background. Um

2918
02:37:26,399 --> 02:37:30,000
as I as I mentioned, I just retired. Um,

2919
02:37:30,000 --> 02:37:31,920
and so I saw this as an opportunity to

2920
02:37:31,920 --> 02:37:34,240
finally give back to uh my community.

2921
02:37:34,240 --> 02:37:36,479
I've I've lived in Sugar House pretty

2922
02:37:36,479 --> 02:37:38,960
much my entire uh well since my first

2923
02:37:38,960 --> 02:37:40,160
house was in Sugar House and I've been

2924
02:37:40,160 --> 02:37:42,479
in Sugar House ever since when I was in

2925
02:37:42,479 --> 02:37:44,080
college. I lived in the avenues on

2926
02:37:44,080 --> 02:37:46,800
Capitol Hill. Uh both of my parents are

2927
02:37:46,800 --> 02:37:49,680
from Ta uh from Salt Lake City. Sorry if

2928
02:37:49,680 --> 02:37:52,720
I said Taylor'sville. Uh my dad went to

2929
02:37:52,720 --> 02:37:55,520
West, my mom went to East, and all all

2930
02:37:55,520 --> 02:37:56,880
of my grandparents are from Salt Lake

2931
02:37:56,880 --> 02:38:01,120
City. So, I I would, you know, have uh

2932
02:38:01,120 --> 02:38:02,720
would very much appreciate an

2933
02:38:02,720 --> 02:38:04,319
opportunity to give back to the city.

2934
02:38:04,319 --> 02:38:06,080
I've been very busy on Tuesday and

2935
02:38:06,080 --> 02:38:07,840
Thursday and Wednesday nights for the

2936
02:38:07,840 --> 02:38:10,560
last 33 years. And so, this is really

2937
02:38:10,560 --> 02:38:12,960
kind of my opportunity now. Uh historic

2938
02:38:12,960 --> 02:38:14,960
preservation and community identity is

2939
02:38:14,960 --> 02:38:16,800
something that I take very seriously and

2940
02:38:16,800 --> 02:38:20,240
and very passionate about. Uh so, I

2941
02:38:20,240 --> 02:38:23,040
think this this particular uh position

2942
02:38:23,040 --> 02:38:25,120
is something that especially interests

2943
02:38:25,120 --> 02:38:27,520
me.

2944
02:38:27,520 --> 02:38:29,280
Great. Thank you for listing your Salt

2945
02:38:29,280 --> 02:38:31,280
Lake City bonafides. I was just

2946
02:38:31,280 --> 02:38:33,280
double-checking them here as you were

2947
02:38:33,280 --> 02:38:36,000
saying. [laughter]

2948
02:38:36,000 --> 02:38:38,550
>> All right. Uh, Council Member Young.

2949
02:38:38,550 --> 02:38:38,560
» All right. Uh, Council Member Young.

2950
02:38:38,560 --> 02:38:40,309
>> Well, you had me at the fact that you're

2951
02:38:40,309 --> 02:38:40,319
» Well, you had me at the fact that you're

2952
02:38:40,319 --> 02:38:42,720
an educator, so like that's my selling

2953
02:38:42,720 --> 02:38:45,040
point. No, but we're definitely super

2954
02:38:45,040 --> 02:38:46,880
fortunate to have someone with your

2955
02:38:46,880 --> 02:38:49,520
depth of expertise who's willing to help

2956
02:38:49,520 --> 02:38:52,319
us as the city make sure that we are

2957
02:38:52,319 --> 02:38:55,359
making the best decisions. Um, and I

2958
02:38:55,359 --> 02:38:57,600
actually think from some conversations

2959
02:38:57,600 --> 02:38:59,600
like earlier today, we might have a

2960
02:38:59,600 --> 02:39:03,040
running list of needs for um, you know,

2961
02:39:03,040 --> 02:39:06,399
the the committee as well as yourself to

2962
02:39:06,399 --> 02:39:08,240
be able to help us with in terms of

2963
02:39:08,240 --> 02:39:10,880
making decisions about how we both

2964
02:39:10,880 --> 02:39:13,120
preserve like the components of our city

2965
02:39:13,120 --> 02:39:15,280
that are so important to our history,

2966
02:39:15,280 --> 02:39:18,319
but also enable opportunities for more

2967
02:39:18,319 --> 02:39:20,319
affordable housing in a way that creates

2968
02:39:20,319 --> 02:39:22,560
balance. So anyway, just super excited

2969
02:39:22,560 --> 02:39:23,840
to have you and thank you for being

2970
02:39:23,840 --> 02:39:24,880
willing to contribute.

2971
02:39:24,880 --> 02:39:27,910
>> Thank you.

2972
02:39:27,910 --> 02:39:27,920
» Thank you.

2973
02:39:27,920 --> 02:39:30,469
>> Any other questions?

2974
02:39:30,469 --> 02:39:30,479
» Any other questions?

2975
02:39:30,479 --> 02:39:32,630
>> All right. Well, so the way this works

2976
02:39:32,630 --> 02:39:32,640
» All right. Well, so the way this works

2977
02:39:32,640 --> 02:39:35,040
is that we will place your name on our

2978
02:39:35,040 --> 02:39:37,760
consent agenda at our formal meeting. Um

2979
02:39:37,760 --> 02:39:39,920
you need not be present to win, but

2980
02:39:39,920 --> 02:39:41,520
you're welcome to join us if you would

2981
02:39:41,520 --> 02:39:43,680
like to, but um it's just part of a

2982
02:39:43,680 --> 02:39:45,040
slate of things that we adopt at the end

2983
02:39:45,040 --> 02:39:46,080
of the meeting. So there won't be

2984
02:39:46,080 --> 02:39:48,479
another speaking opportunity or anything

2985
02:39:48,479 --> 02:39:50,880
like that and no one will be sad if you

2986
02:39:50,880 --> 02:39:53,520
choose not to uh hang out for that.

2987
02:39:53,520 --> 02:39:54,389
>> All right.

2988
02:39:54,389 --> 02:39:54,399
» All right.

2989
02:39:54,399 --> 02:39:54,790
>> Okay.

2990
02:39:54,790 --> 02:39:54,800
» Okay.

2991
02:39:54,800 --> 02:39:56,309
>> Thank you so much for your willingness

2992
02:39:56,309 --> 02:39:56,319
» Thank you so much for your willingness

2993
02:39:56,319 --> 02:39:57,600
to serve Salt Lake City.

2994
02:39:57,600 --> 02:39:57,990
>> Thank you.

2995
02:39:57,990 --> 02:39:58,000
» Thank you.

2996
02:39:58,000 --> 02:40:00,150
>> Okay.

2997
02:40:00,150 --> 02:40:00,160
» Okay.

2998
02:40:00,160 --> 02:40:02,150
>> All right.

2999
02:40:02,150 --> 02:40:02,160
» All right.

3000
02:40:02,160 --> 02:40:06,399
Um the last item is our

3001
02:40:06,399 --> 02:40:10,080
report of the chair and vice chair. Uh,

3002
02:40:10,080 --> 02:40:12,240
I don't have any report other than to

3003
02:40:12,240 --> 02:40:14,399
wish you all happy holidays and thanks

3004
02:40:14,399 --> 02:40:17,520
for a great year. Um, Jen,

3005
02:40:17,520 --> 02:40:19,670
>> I don't have anything.

3006
02:40:19,670 --> 02:40:19,680
» I don't have anything.

3007
02:40:19,680 --> 02:40:23,750
>> Oh, oh my gosh. C, what a surprise a

3008
02:40:23,750 --> 02:40:23,760
» Oh, oh my gosh. C, what a surprise a

3009
02:40:23,760 --> 02:40:27,280
surprise guest appearance from Council

3010
02:40:27,280 --> 02:40:28,640
Member Puy.

3011
02:40:28,640 --> 02:40:30,150
>> I've I've been paying attention. I've

3012
02:40:30,150 --> 02:40:30,160
» I've I've been paying attention. I've

3013
02:40:30,160 --> 02:40:31,120
been here.

3014
02:40:31,120 --> 02:40:32,790
>> Oh, all right. Sorry, I couldn't see you

3015
02:40:32,790 --> 02:40:32,800
» Oh, all right. Sorry, I couldn't see you

3016
02:40:32,800 --> 02:40:34,399
on the screen, so I didn't know when you

3017
02:40:34,399 --> 02:40:36,160
joined us, but yeah. Do you have

3018
02:40:36,160 --> 02:40:38,399
anything else you'd like to add? No, no,

3019
02:40:38,399 --> 02:40:38,880
no.

3020
02:40:38,880 --> 02:40:41,190
>> Any Christmas wishes?

3021
02:40:41,190 --> 02:40:41,200
» Any Christmas wishes?

3022
02:40:41,200 --> 02:40:41,590
>> Okay.

3023
02:40:41,590 --> 02:40:41,600
» Okay.

3024
02:40:41,600 --> 02:40:43,270
>> Best wishes for everybody.

3025
02:40:43,270 --> 02:40:43,280
» Best wishes for everybody.

3026
02:40:43,280 --> 02:40:45,349
>> Okay. Thanks.

3027
02:40:45,349 --> 02:40:45,359
» Okay. Thanks.

3028
02:40:45,359 --> 02:40:48,309
>> Okay. No other announcements. So, um

3029
02:40:48,309 --> 02:40:48,319
» Okay. No other announcements. So, um

3030
02:40:48,319 --> 02:40:50,560
we're going to adjourn for Council

3031
02:40:50,560 --> 02:40:55,040
Member Mono's um reception and for

3032
02:40:55,040 --> 02:40:57,280
dinner. And we'll see everybody. Yes,

3033
02:40:57,280 --> 02:40:58,640
that's on the fourth floor. And then

3034
02:40:58,640 --> 02:41:00,160
we'll see everybody for our formal

3035
02:41:00,160 --> 02:41:04,760
meeting at 7 o'clock. Thank you.