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[10:01] » going to go ahead and get started.
[10:04] >> All right.
[10:06] » All right.
[10:06] Thank you.
[10:11] Welcome to the December 9th, 2025 city
[10:14] council work.
[10:16] >> We're starting now. Starting
[10:23] slapping at the desk. Listen. Okay,
[10:26] we're going to go ahead and get started.
[10:28] Um, welcome to the December 9th, 2025
[10:30] city council work session meeting. Our
[10:33] meetings are public and you're welcome
[10:34] to join us in person or by watching the
[10:36] council's agenda page, Zoom, or YouTube.
[10:38] We hope you'll continue to join us in
[10:39] whichever manner you feel most
[10:41] comfortable. This is a work session
[10:42] meeting during which there's no public
[10:44] comment. Please join us tonight at 7
[10:46] p.m. for our formal meeting to share
[10:47] your thoughts. I'm going to skip those
[10:49] contact details. They're all on the
[10:51] website. Um and we're going to move to
[10:53] our first agenda item which is um
[10:56] anformational update on the Utah
[10:59] Renewable Communities uh plan. We've got
[11:02] Michael Sanders, council policy analyst,
[11:04] and Glade Sewards, um, senior energy and
[11:07] climate program manager. Um, and Debbie
[11:10] Lions, department director.
[11:12] >> Okay. Thank you, council.
[11:14] » Okay. Thank you, council.
[11:14] >> Yes.
[11:14] » Yes.
[11:14] >> So, today the administration is going to
[11:16] » So, today the administration is going to
[11:16] provide an an update on the next steps
[11:18] on the Utah Renewable Community Program.
[11:21] The URC is a partnership of 19 Utah
[11:24] cities and counties working to provide
[11:26] residents and businesses with access to
[11:28] net 100% clean energy by 2030. Salt Lake
[11:32] City has supported this program since
[11:34] 2019 through resolutions and
[11:35] contributions to development costs. The
[11:38] next major step is a public service
[11:40] commission meeting regarding the program
[11:42] application on December 16th of this
[11:44] year with a decision anticipated as
[11:47] early as January of next year. If
[11:49] approved, cities will have 90 days to
[11:51] adopt a participation ordinance in the
[11:53] program, and URC could begin collecting
[11:56] revenue as soon as November of 2026.
[11:59] If the city opts in, customers would be
[12:02] automatically enrolled, but may opt out
[12:03] at no cost during an initial window. URC
[12:06] has a goal to keep average household
[12:08] bill increases to $3 to $4 per month and
[12:10] includes a bill credit for low lowincome
[12:13] customers of up to $7. Today's briefing
[12:15] isformational only. Following the PSC
[12:18] action, the administration will return
[12:20] with the proposed ordinance for council
[12:21] consideration.
[12:24] All right,
[12:26] >> thanks for inviting me back. I think
[12:27] » thanks for inviting me back. I think
[12:27] this is week three. Um, good to see you.
[12:30] Uh, I'm going to just give a very brief
[12:33] uh reminder of what URC is and how Salt
[12:36] Lake City got involved and uh what it
[12:38] means for residents and then Glade uh
[12:40] will take over and kind of talk about
[12:42] the status and upcoming milestones and
[12:44] next steps. So, next slide.
[12:47] I think yeah that's the that's what
[12:50] we're going to cover today. Next slide.
[12:53] So URC is a coalition of uh 19 cities
[12:56] and counties working together which Salt
[12:59] Lake City is one of them. Um and we're
[13:01] working with Rocky Mountain Power to
[13:02] source clean electricity for our grid to
[13:05] meet our goal of 100% net renewable
[13:07] clean electricity for homes and
[13:09] businesses.
[13:11] Next slide.
[13:14] So, working with Rocky Mountain Power,
[13:17] we are working to acquire new resources
[13:19] that feed into the grid that Rocky
[13:21] Mountain Power will own and operate and
[13:24] then the new resources will help power
[13:25] our homes and businesses. That's
[13:27] basically how it works. Um, the grid
[13:29] will be owned by and operated by Rocky
[13:31] Mountain Power and our residents will
[13:33] continue to be customers of Rocky
[13:35] Mountain Power. And that was um part of
[13:37] this whole coalition that we built was
[13:39] that we were working with with the
[13:41] utility to bring more renewable
[13:43] resources to our grid. So next slide.
[13:50] So why are we doing this? Um working
[13:52] with other communities, we can't we can
[13:55] have a huge impact on the amount of
[13:56] clean energy we can deploy uh in our
[13:59] state and there's likely cost benefits
[14:01] per kilowatt hour for larger projects.
[14:03] So we can we can get a lot um and have a
[14:06] bigger impact if we work together. The
[14:09] other thing is um it gives our residents
[14:11] choice. We know that most of our our
[14:13] residents support clean energy and this
[14:16] gives them the ability to know that
[14:18] their their homes and lives are being
[14:20] powered by clean energy. And uh Glade
[14:23] will get more into this but uh residents
[14:25] can opt out if they don't want to
[14:26] participate. It's an it's a all-in
[14:29] program and then residents can opt out.
[14:31] Uh we know that these also support clean
[14:34] energy uh jobs um especially in
[14:37] construction and and particularly in
[14:39] rural areas and it's the biggest impact
[14:42] that we can have to avoid pollution.
[14:45] Next slide.
[14:48] So this program is the single largest
[14:51] thing that we can do to meet our
[14:52] renewable energy and our climate goals
[14:54] and reduce pollution. And as was
[14:56] mentioned, uh we've taken a series of
[14:58] steps on joint resolutions since 2016 in
[15:02] um in voicing our commitment to clean
[15:05] energy and reducing pollution.
[15:08] And so uh and a couple of weeks ago, we
[15:10] talked about the climate forward Salt
[15:12] Lake City plan and we're hoping to bring
[15:14] that to you next summer for adoption.
[15:16] And we're again we're looking to
[15:18] reaffirm and recommmit to those goals.
[15:20] And this, like I said, is the single
[15:22] largest thing we can do to meet those
[15:24] goals. Next slide.
[15:30] Okay. [clears throat] Excuse me. Uh, I'm
[15:32] going to just give you a little bit more
[15:34] uh in the in the weeds detail about the
[15:36] program and some upcoming milestones and
[15:38] and uh kind of a long-term look at the
[15:41] program. So, first I want to start with
[15:43] Salt Lake City's involvement in the Utah
[15:45] Renewable Communities Initiative. Salt
[15:48] Lake City joined um the Community
[15:49] Renewable Energy Agency, which is the B
[15:52] uh board for URC, and we made the
[15:55] required financial contributions to the
[15:57] AY's budget, which was proportional to
[16:01] our community's uh population and our
[16:03] energy load. We signed a required
[16:06] utility agreement that was one of about
[16:07] 15 uh elements that were required under
[16:10] the public service commission's
[16:11] rulemaking for the program. That was it.
[16:14] We did that in time to file our program
[16:16] application last January. And then
[16:19] [clears throat] hopefully after the PSC
[16:21] approves the program, possibly as early
[16:23] as January of next year, uh the city
[16:26] will have the final decision, the the
[16:28] council will have the decision as to
[16:29] whether to adopt the program ordinance
[16:32] and opt our residents and businesses
[16:34] into the program. Next slide, please.
[16:38] So, I wanted to just cover what what
[16:40] folks can uh anticipate when it comes to
[16:43] their utility bills, how this would
[16:45] work. As Debbie mentioned, uh URC
[16:48] customers would remain Rocky Mountain
[16:50] Power customers uh and would continue re
[16:52] receiving reliable energy just as they
[16:55] always have done. Um once the program
[16:58] launches, you're automatically enrolled
[17:00] in the program, assuming we've adopted
[17:02] the program ordinance with the choice to
[17:04] opt out. And there's kind of a tension
[17:06] there between, you know, an individual
[17:08] or business's desire to uh have clean
[17:12] energy and support clean energy and then
[17:14] the impacts to their bills. And each
[17:16] person is going to be different in terms
[17:17] of how they ultimately decide on that.
[17:20] Um there's no cost to opt out initially
[17:22] as envisioned by the program, but after
[17:24] a cancellation period, then a fee would
[17:27] begin to apply. and and that's just to
[17:29] make sure that we have a stable program
[17:30] participation rate while giving folks a
[17:33] chance to uh experience how this would
[17:36] impact their bill and still have the
[17:37] option to to opt out. The URC board has
[17:41] taken a position to design the program
[17:44] and propose a program in such a way uh
[17:46] that the average household's uh bill
[17:48] impact would be no more than roughly uh
[17:51] three to four dollars per month. That's
[17:53] the goal. Uh and we have special
[17:56] low-income provisions. First of all,
[17:58] because it's the right thing to do, but
[17:59] secondly, because it was required by
[18:01] statute. Uh and we have uh maybe three
[18:04] or four main uh items included there.
[18:07] One is ongoing outreach and engagement
[18:09] to make sure folks know what they're
[18:11] participating in and what their options
[18:12] are. But then importantly, a monthly
[18:14] bill credit uh to cover the monthly
[18:17] increase should a low-income household.
[18:19] And uh and when I say low-inccome here,
[18:21] we're talking about those who are uh
[18:23] eligible for the Rocky Mountain Power
[18:26] home electric lifeline program or or
[18:29] plan rather or help. That's uh people
[18:31] who are at at or below 150% of the
[18:34] federal poverty level. They would have
[18:36] the option to participate in the pro
[18:38] program without having that monthly
[18:40] increase covered by the other program
[18:42] participants. and should they decide to
[18:44] opt out um even after the um
[18:47] cancellation period they would have no
[18:49] termination fee. So we feel like that
[18:51] that helps uh all customers have an
[18:55] opportunity to participate. Uh next
[18:58] slide please.
[19:01] Okay. So I'm going to give a little bit
[19:03] of the history here. I think we've
[19:04] covered most of this. The enabling
[19:06] legislation again was passed in 2019 to
[19:09] set this up. Uh there was a net 100%
[19:12] renewable uh resolution that was adopted
[19:15] originally by 23 communities. That
[19:17] requirement from the original act was uh
[19:20] rescended I believe in 2024. Since then
[19:23] we've had one community who was able to
[19:25] join since that provision was gone. It
[19:27] had a had a target date that no longer
[19:28] applies. So we currently had and we had
[19:31] some communities drop. So we have 19
[19:33] total communities participating going
[19:34] forward. All of those communities formed
[19:37] an interlocal through a governance
[19:38] agreement uh signed a utility agreement
[19:41] uh with the company which which again
[19:43] and with the public service commission
[19:46] application. So uh that is done and we
[19:49] are now to this throughout this past
[19:51] year actually beginning about this time
[19:53] last year and through June the program
[19:55] application was submitted. Next slide
[19:58] please. And I wanted to just dwell on
[20:01] this uh 0.5 a little bit longer here.
[20:03] There's actually kind of two main
[20:05] elements of this program application.
[20:07] One was a solicitation or request for
[20:09] proposals for different types of bids,
[20:12] you know, solar, wind, geothermal. Uh
[20:14] that was issued uh approved by the PSC
[20:16] last May and issued that same May. We
[20:19] had 14 qualifying bids. We received by
[20:22] July and that those bids have been going
[20:24] through an evaluation process. Uh we're
[20:27] just receiving some of the results on
[20:29] that evaluation process. Uh at the same
[20:32] time and in parallel, we've had this
[20:33] program application that was filed with
[20:35] the uh commission between January and
[20:38] June of this past year. We've had
[20:40] testimony going back and forth between
[20:42] the various parties uh in the program
[20:44] docket. And all of that's going to
[20:46] culminate on in a hearing this December
[20:49] 16th, so next week. Uh next slide,
[20:51] please.
[20:54] So that brings us to the last couple
[20:55] items on here. the program approval
[20:57] which could come as early as January of
[20:59] next year. And then that starts a 90-day
[21:02] clock for councils and commissions in
[21:04] the participating communities to uh
[21:07] decide whether they want to adopt the
[21:09] program ordinance. It's a common ordin
[21:11] ordinance among all the communities
[21:13] which would opt in their residents and
[21:14] businesses uh with the option then to
[21:17] opt out. Uh next slide please.
[21:20] Uh and here I just wanted to quickly
[21:22] give you a kind of a timeline. So the
[21:25] top part of this slide is what the tail
[21:27] end of the timeline you saw before, but
[21:30] I wanted to give you a look at what we
[21:31] can expect next year. So again uh and in
[21:34] this case I wanted to point out I'm
[21:36] using uh Rocky Mountain Powers estimated
[21:39] dates that were included in their
[21:41] program application which are I want to
[21:43] point out subject to ch to change. So uh
[21:46] we could have the program approval by as
[21:49] early as uh maybe J mid to late January
[21:52] next year. that 90-day window for the
[21:55] councils and commissions of the
[21:56] participating communities to opt in
[21:58] their program. And then we have uh
[22:00] several milestones that sort of flow
[22:03] from that. And importantly, there would
[22:05] be a kind of a period during which Rocky
[22:08] Mountain Power gets their system up and
[22:09] running, their their billing system. Uh
[22:12] and then there would be a 60-day uh
[22:14] noticing period. uh following which we
[22:17] would have the commencement date of the
[22:19] program when when rep bill impacts start
[22:22] to be felt and that's importantly about
[22:24] a year from now so tail end of November
[22:27] probably at the earliest and then after
[22:29] uh there would be a 100-day opt out
[22:31] period after that with no cancellation
[22:34] fee we have I wanted to indicate in our
[22:37] pro in our testimony actually pushed for
[22:39] a longer opt out period of six months to
[22:42] to absolutely make certain that people
[22:43] who participate uh are doing so because
[22:46] they want to and that they have an opt
[22:48] option to opt out of the program. That
[22:51] is all of course subject to public
[22:52] service commission approval. Next slide,
[22:54] please.
[22:56] Um so just key takeaways. Uh next week,
[22:59] December 16th, there's actually two
[23:01] hearings that day. A technical hearing
[23:03] at 9:00 a.m. and then a public witness
[23:05] hearing at 6 p.m. that evening. That's
[23:07] kind of an opportunity for oral public
[23:09] comment um for parties who are
[23:11] interested. And then on the horizon
[23:13] again, the public service commission
[23:15] approval could come as early as January
[23:17] starting that 90-day clock for program
[23:19] ordinance approval. Uh and and approving
[23:22] that ordinance again would opt opt
[23:24] program opt us into the program. Uh
[23:27] obligate us to reimburse Rocky Mountain
[23:29] Power for two rounds of noticing to
[23:31] customers and finally encourage us to
[23:33] continue working with the other
[23:35] communities to uh help spread the word
[23:37] about the program. And that's I think
[23:39] all I have today. Next slide just to
[23:41] make sure. Oh, there's just a link here
[23:43] if you have any questions or want to get
[23:45] on our mailing list. So,
[23:50] » okay,
[23:53] council members, any questions?
[23:57] » Thank you to Council Member Dugan for
[23:59] always representing us so well on this
[24:01] and going so deep. Like I was just
[24:02] telling Darren like every time they
[24:05] update us I'm like wow like there's so
[24:08] like thank thank you for making sure
[24:09] that our voice has been represented and
[24:11] it's not just us in our city. I know
[24:13] that you're you're stepping into places
[24:14] where other cities don't have the
[24:16] resourcing but may have the will. So
[24:17] thank you and thank you to the staff for
[24:19] doing it as well.
[24:20] >> Thank you
[24:21] » Thank you
[24:21] >> council member Dugan.
[24:23] » council member Dugan.
[24:23] >> Yeah [snorts] thank you council Petro.
[24:25] » Yeah [snorts] thank you council Petro.
[24:25] Uh this has been a long haul. Uh and I
[24:29] really appreciate the this
[24:31] administration and sustainabilities uh
[24:34] efforts here because they've
[24:37] basically have a full-time FTE running
[24:39] this uh 3 years, four or five years ago.
[24:43] We thought we'd be done by 2022
[24:46] and then 23, then 24. Then we realized
[24:49] and I always knew that Rocky Mountain
[24:50] Power was difficult to work with, but I
[24:52] didn't realize it was this difficult.
[24:53] But uh it's been a challenge and I
[24:56] appreciate all the effort and the and
[24:57] the way we've been able to uh pivot and
[25:02] roll on different things. Uh I do want
[25:05] to the the difficult part we have here
[25:07] is the uh and I'm just going to mention
[25:09] it the three to $4 per month. Now that
[25:12] is all based on what how the public
[25:15] service commission rules on the cost and
[25:18] the value of the resources that we are
[25:21] providing and how they rule on that and
[25:23] how they rule on a few things
[25:24] administrative costs that will impact
[25:26] that cost to our residents. But that
[25:29] dollar figure also
[25:32] we wanted we did a survey
[25:36] five years ago, four or five years ago
[25:39] and that's where we came up with that
[25:40] number. We will have to adjust that
[25:43] depending on uh and that will also
[25:46] depend on that will give us how much
[25:48] energy we can actually uh resource
[25:51] upfront and then resource over the time.
[25:54] So we will be able to adjust that to fit
[25:57] the needs of the residents and to fit
[25:59] the needs of the program. uh and but we
[26:02] won't know that number and we won't know
[26:04] that full impact until after the public
[26:07] service commission makes a ruling and
[26:10] answers all the questions that we have
[26:11] in front of them. We are not in
[26:13] agreement with Rocky Mountain Power on a
[26:14] number of these things. Uh so we have to
[26:17] go to the public service commission to u
[26:20] render a ver verdict. I guess I guess
[26:22] it's like a judge render a verdict on on
[26:24] this on this process. So, we're there.
[26:27] On the low-income side,
[26:30] only 3% of the the residents who are
[26:32] eligible for this help program actually
[26:34] use it. About 11% of our population is
[26:37] eligible. Only 3% use it. So, we're
[26:39] putting full por full court press on
[26:42] this to get more people involved in it
[26:44] so that they can take advantage of this.
[26:47] How this impacts your blue sky credits.
[26:50] You can continue using blue skies or you
[26:52] can take it away and say, "I'm going to
[26:53] submit my money. I'm going to pay
[26:56] divert my money back to this program.
[26:58] Those are all all out there. Um, but we
[27:01] as a state need energy. We need it now.
[27:05] And this is the quickest way to get
[27:06] energy. Nukes not nuclear is not going
[27:08] to come and small nuclear reactors are
[27:10] not going to come until modular reactors
[27:11] aren't going to come in for another in
[27:13] my guesstimate
[27:16] maybe I won't even be around this world
[27:18] 15 20 30 years. Who knows?
[27:21] Hopefully I'm going to be around you.
[27:23] Okay. Um, and geothermal is the same
[27:26] thing. Could be a long time. So, this is
[27:28] the first time that we'll have energy
[27:29] right away with this program. December
[27:31] 16th, I encourage you if you want to be
[27:33] a give two minutes. We hear two minutes
[27:36] all the time. Public service uh support
[27:38] would be welcomed. I'll be sitting there
[27:41] pretty much all day long. So, come join
[27:43] me at 6 o'clock and give your two
[27:45] minutes and support the program. Thank
[27:47] you, Mr. Chair.
[27:49] >> Thank you, Council Member Dugan. Anyone
[27:51] » Thank you, Council Member Dugan. Anyone
[27:51] else?
[27:54] I'm excited about this. I I very much
[27:58] appreciate that people are going to be
[27:59] able to to opt in and and I like that
[28:02] about it. Um but that also is what makes
[28:04] me a little bit nervous. Um making sure
[28:06] that we have done all the math to make
[28:10] sure that if fewer people end up opting
[28:13] in or more people opt out than we
[28:15] anticipated that we can still um make
[28:17] the program a success. Um because I I do
[28:20] think that just with
[28:22] different things that are happening and
[28:24] with the economy the way that it is,
[28:25] people might be scrutinizing their bills
[28:27] a little more. Um, and I I hope I'm
[28:30] confident though that we can find a way
[28:32] to make the program work. Um, and
[28:34] appreciate that we can educate folks
[28:36] more on using the um um assistance
[28:41] that's available or relief that's
[28:42] available.
[28:44] Anyone else have anything else? Okay,
[28:47] thank you so much. We'll go to our
[28:49] second agenda item which is consolidated
[28:52] fee schedule amendment for public lands.
[28:56] >> So for us we've got um or with us we've
[28:59] » So for us we've got um or with us we've
[28:59] got Allison Roland, council policy
[29:01] analyst, Kim Shel, public lands
[29:02] director, Greg Evans, finance manager
[29:07] who's joining us virtually I think or
[29:10] maybe not. Okay. Yes.
[29:19] Should we begin?
[29:20] >> Yeah, go ahead and begin. I don't know
[29:22] » Yeah, go ahead and begin. I don't know
[29:22] where Greg is.
[29:26] » Oh, he's here. Oh, good. Thanks.
[29:28] >> Okay. [laughter]
[29:29] » Okay. [laughter]
[29:29] Um, so the Department of Public Lands
[29:31] has proposed minor changes in the
[29:33] consolidated fee schedule. This
[29:34] ordinance would add the open counter
[29:36] payment system to the programs listed as
[29:38] exempt from charging credit card search
[29:40] charges. credit card fees have not been
[29:42] charged by any of the current payment
[29:44] systems due to technical limitations on
[29:46] these thirdparty payment providers. So,
[29:49] I will turn it over to Kim to see if she
[29:51] has additional things to say.
[29:54] >> Thank you. Uh not not too much
[29:55] » Thank you. Uh not not too much
[29:56] additional to say. It's pretty
[29:57] straightforward request. Um it's
[29:59] actually a two-parter. We're renaming
[30:01] the uh system
[30:03] uh that is currently Max Galaxy in the
[30:06] in the CFS to ActiveNet. They already
[30:08] have an existing exemption. And then
[30:10] we'd like to add or proposing to add
[30:12] open counter. Um we have an estimated
[30:15] net impact of the decision that that the
[30:18] department is ready to absorb and we do
[30:21] think this is a convenience for folks
[30:22] that that use this system and it also re
[30:26] um results in an economic benefit to the
[30:29] city that we believe offsets the costs
[30:31] that could come to the department.
[30:33] Thanks
[30:35] >> questions.
[30:38] » questions.
[30:38] Cool. Thank you so much.
[30:41] Thanks, Greg. Glad you could join us.
[30:43] Sorry you didn't get to talk. [laughter]
[30:46] Uh, okay. Let's go to um agenda item
[30:50] number three, which is uh bond capacity
[30:53] and anticipated projects and needs.
[30:57] At this or for this, we have
[31:01] Oh, says Jill.
[31:06] » [laughter]
[31:10] » Come on down. Welcome back.
[31:35] Thank you council for having me. Um
[31:38] e
[31:40] um so I'm going to run through um some
[31:43] not all bond types but the bond types
[31:45] that we have that that have outstanding
[31:48] bonds associated with them and at the
[31:50] end I'll talk a little bit about um
[31:52] additional bonds that we could see um in
[31:55] the future. So um can you go to the
[31:59] first slide please?
[32:03] That's pretty small. Can you can you all
[32:05] see this? I'll walk through each one of
[32:06] these with you. So, this is um geo bonds
[32:11] and what I'm showing you here is the
[32:13] expiration of the geo bond, what the
[32:16] debt service payment is on that geo bond
[32:18] and the maximum par amount as of
[32:22] August of 2025. And the reason I say as
[32:25] of August of 2025 is because it's based
[32:27] on an interest rate that is projected
[32:30] and that can change at any point in
[32:31] time. So, the bond that's going to
[32:34] expire in fiscal year 2028 has a debt
[32:38] service payment right now of $1.2
[32:41] million. And the maximum par amount if
[32:43] you if that once that expires, you could
[32:46] go back out and bond for an additional
[32:48] 15. Understand GEO bonds have to go
[32:51] before the voters and then and approved
[32:54] and then you can go back out. But what
[32:55] this is saying is that if you did a $15
[32:57] million bond, in theory, it wouldn't
[33:01] raise the property tax the the property
[33:04] taxes for residents at that point in
[33:06] time. Does that make sense?
[33:10] >> So, it's it's the impact to the
[33:12] » So, it's it's the impact to the
[33:12] taxpayer. It's not a reflection of our
[33:14] total creditworthiness as a city.
[33:16] >> Correct. It's the impact to the
[33:17] » Correct. It's the impact to the
[33:18] taxpayer. So on a geo bond, right?
[33:21] >> As geo bonds expire, the taxpayer pays
[33:24] » As geo bonds expire, the taxpayer pays
[33:24] less. As we increase the geo bonds, the
[33:27] taxpayer could potentially pay more.
[33:31] This is showing that once the 22 the
[33:34] fiscal year 2028 debt service falls off,
[33:38] that 1.2 million will not be put on the
[33:41] tax roles. So the taxpayer will pay less
[33:44] in theory. And I always say in theory
[33:47] because it depends on the values of
[33:49] properties and it's a really
[33:50] complicated. So I always say, you know,
[33:53] in theory that's the way it's supposed
[33:54] to work.
[33:56] >> But but in
[33:58] » But but in
[33:58] hard numbers, the city will not be uh
[34:01] paying $1.25 million a year on debt
[34:04] services because that that's clear.
[34:06] That's clear off the box.
[34:08] >> That's correct. That debt service falls
[34:09] » That's correct. That debt service falls
[34:09] off the rolls, right?
[34:10] >> That bond falls off the rolls.
[34:12] » That bond falls off the rolls.
[34:12] >> Falls off. Right.
[34:13] » Falls off. Right.
[34:13] >> Correct. Mhm. So, in 20 I and I hate to
[34:16] » Correct. Mhm. So, in 20 I and I hate to
[34:16] do this. I always do this every time you
[34:17] present. I'm the worst.
[34:18] >> No, you're fine. Go ahead.
[34:19] » No, you're fine. Go ahead.
[34:20] >> Is it possible to get another level of
[34:22] » Is it possible to get another level of
[34:22] analysis of this? Um, for instance, how
[34:25] much would be coming off of the average
[34:29] taxpayers's bill at that point?
[34:32] >> So, if if we chose not to take out a $15
[34:34] » So, if if we chose not to take out a $15
[34:34] million bond and not to renew that,
[34:36] >> what how much relief would they see?
[34:38] » what how much relief would they see?
[34:38] >> Yes, we can do that.
[34:40] » Yes, we can do that.
[34:40] >> We haven't done that, but we can
[34:41] » We haven't done that, but we can
[34:41] absolutely do that.
[34:42] >> Okay. in 2030 is the next bond that will
[34:45] » Okay. in 2030 is the next bond that will
[34:45] be falling off. The debt service is
[34:47] $1.659
[34:49] million and the maximum par amount again
[34:53] as of August when we computed it would
[34:55] would be 20,645
[34:58] in 2031. This is 6,47.
[35:01] This is the public safety building and I
[35:03] know that because I remember when we
[35:05] placed the public safety building in
[35:07] service and how much increased our geo
[35:09] bond debt service. So you can see it's a
[35:12] very large debt service payment and the
[35:14] maximum par amount in 2031 could be
[35:17] potentially be $79 million.
[35:20] Um 2039 would be 956,900
[35:25] in debt service par amount of 11,890.
[35:29] 2040
[35:30] um 957900
[35:34] 11,905
[35:36] 2041 debt service payment of 1,22550
[35:41] maximum par amount would be 15.
[35:45] Um, yeah. So, this is geo bonds and the
[35:48] debt service associated with those.
[35:51] >> And typically geo bonds have the lowest
[35:54] » And typically geo bonds have the lowest
[35:54] interest rates.
[35:56] >> Tax exempt bonds have the lowest
[35:57] » Tax exempt bonds have the lowest
[35:57] interest rates. It's not necessarily a
[35:59] go. Could be a go. It could be a sales
[36:02] tax bond. Tax exempt bonds have the
[36:04] lowest rates.
[36:05] >> Council member Young,
[36:06] » Council member Young,
[36:06] >> when I look at these numbers, um, I
[36:09] » when I look at these numbers, um, I
[36:09] guess I just have a question. So in
[36:11] 2028, we're saying the maximum amount is
[36:17] 15,615,000.
[36:21] When I get to 2030, it increases. Now,
[36:25] here's the question. [laughter]
[36:26] Is it increasing
[36:28] up to the 20,645,000
[36:32] or is that in addition to the 15.6
[36:36] million that's available in 2028? In
[36:39] addition,
[36:40] >> in addition,
[36:41] » in addition,
[36:41] >> so each one of these stand alone.
[36:42] » so each one of these stand alone.
[36:42] >> Stand alone. They're not
[36:44] » Stand alone. They're not
[36:44] >> They're not cumulative.
[36:45] » They're not cumulative.
[36:45] >> Perfect. Thank you.
[36:46] » Perfect. Thank you.
[36:46] >> Yep. They all stand alone. Um, that
[36:47] » Yep. They all stand alone. Um, that
[36:47] would be my question, Council Member
[36:49] Petro. Um, do you want this for all of
[36:52] these through 2041? Do you want them
[36:55] from 2028 to 2031? What impact do you
[36:58] want for the residents? feel like we
[37:01] have reason to believe in economic
[37:03] uncertainty for our people at least
[37:05] through 28, but not trusting traditional
[37:10] structures through 32 would be helpful
[37:12] as well. Let's pray that I'm wrong about
[37:14] that one. But yeah, I'd like it feels
[37:17] like we're in a moment of economic
[37:18] uncertainty that's self-inflicted. So,
[37:20] if we could have projections through 32.
[37:23] >> Okay, I can do that.
[37:25] » Okay, I can do that.
[37:25] >> Any other questions on GEO bonds?
[37:28] » Any other questions on GEO bonds?
[37:28] >> Council member Dugan.
[37:31] » Council member Dugan.
[37:31] Maybe I'll wait till the end of all the
[37:32] bonds. I'll wait till the end. I'll come
[37:34] back because I think Okay, I'll ask now.
[37:37] So,
[37:38] >> so we if we went out for 11 uh 15,000
[37:42] » so we if we went out for 11 uh 15,000
[37:42] 115 million geo bond and we had three
[37:45] tranches, one starting in 28 of worth 15
[37:48] million, one starting 30 worth 20
[37:50] million and one starting 31 worth $80
[37:53] million, we would not see a increase.
[37:59] If all things else considered, interest
[38:01] rates and other things, we would not see
[38:03] an increase in uh payments from the uh
[38:06] property tax owners.
[38:08] >> Correct.
[38:08] » Correct.
[38:08] >> Okay.
[38:09] » Okay.
[38:09] >> Yeah. Res um property tax um property
[38:13] » Yeah. Res um property tax um property
[38:13] tax. Yes. Property taxes in the in
[38:16] theory would not increase,
[38:17] >> right? Okay.
[38:18] » right? Okay.
[38:18] >> If you took them out at those tanches.
[38:20] » If you took them out at those tanches.
[38:20] >> If you took them out the tranches. Yeah.
[38:22] » If you took them out the tranches. Yeah.
[38:22] And that's what it would be. Okay.
[38:23] >> Correct. You are correct, Council Member
[38:25] » Correct. You are correct, Council Member
[38:25] Petro.
[38:26] >> And the type of bond is exclusive. It's
[38:29] » And the type of bond is exclusive. It's
[38:29] not like 15 million28 is available to a
[38:33] revenue bond or a geo bond or an LBA
[38:35] bond. It's only to the GEO bond.
[38:38] Correct.
[38:38] >> Yes. So what this is saying is because
[38:40] » Yes. So what this is saying is because
[38:40] this debt service is falling off, if you
[38:43] chose to do a GO bond in 2028,
[38:48] you could do it for a maximum par of
[38:50] $15.6 million with no impact to property
[38:55] taxes. But we couldn't just say, "Well,
[38:57] there's 15 million in miscellaneous
[39:00] bonding. Let's do a revenue bond
[39:01] instead."
[39:02] >> No, I've got I've got all of the all of
[39:04] » No, I've got I've got all of the all of
[39:04] the bonds and the outset standing debt
[39:06] as we move forward with those.
[39:09] >> Any other questions on GIO?
[39:12] » Any other questions on GIO?
[39:12] >> Next slide, please.
[39:14] » Next slide, please.
[39:14] So, this is LBA bonds. These are our
[39:17] fire stations. Um, local building
[39:20] authority bonds are usually more
[39:22] expensive. They also come with more
[39:23] restrictions, but we did our fire
[39:26] stations for the LBA bonds. These will
[39:28] expire in 2037 and 2038. The debt
[39:32] service comes from either the general
[39:34] fund or fire impact fees depending on
[39:37] whether we have enough fire impact fees
[39:39] to pay the debt service. If we don't,
[39:41] then the general fund either subsidizes
[39:44] or pays the entire amount. Usually what
[39:46] we do is about every two years fire
[39:48] impact fees pay this debt service and
[39:51] then the general fund picks up the the
[39:53] other year. So offsetting years.
[39:58] Any questions on LBA?
[40:01] Okay, next slide please.
[40:04] This is sales tax bond. So,
[40:07] this is um it says sales tax, but
[40:12] remember that sales tax bonds could be
[40:15] sales tax, use tax, or franchise tax.
[40:19] So, we've incorporated all of those
[40:21] taxes in order to meet our um our um
[40:26] obligation. So, it in theory obligates
[40:29] those funds, but the general fund is
[40:31] actually the pay that what pays the debt
[40:33] service on these. And this follows the
[40:35] exact same rule, right? So general fund
[40:38] pays the debt service of $357,000
[40:43] on the fiscal year 2027 with a maximum
[40:46] par amount of $4.4 million. Sales tax
[40:49] bonds don't have to go before the
[40:51] voters. You all make that decision. You
[40:54] did one in 2022. Um I think it was $63
[40:58] million at the time. Um and that one
[41:00] obviously is the one probably you see in
[41:03] 2038 or beyond. Um and this follows the
[41:07] exact same pattern. They all stand alone
[41:09] and um the debt service payment and the
[41:12] par amount is as of August 2025.
[41:17] >> Mr. Chair, so what what are we paying
[41:20] » Mr. Chair, so what what are we paying
[41:20] for with sales tax bond?
[41:23] >> Um you could pay for anything. So in the
[41:25] » Um you could pay for anything. So in the
[41:25] last one we did we paid for some parks.
[41:29] We paid for some infrastructure. We paid
[41:31] for some streets with a sales tax bond.
[41:34] Anything that's infrastructure, you
[41:36] could pay for. You can't do operations,
[41:37] but you can do infrastructure with any
[41:39] bond.
[41:40] >> So, was our 2018 streets bond a sales
[41:43] » So, was our 2018 streets bond a sales
[41:43] tax bond?
[41:43] >> It was a geo.
[41:44] » It was a geo.
[41:44] >> That that was a geo bond.
[41:47] » That that was a geo bond.
[41:47] >> Oh,
[41:47] » Oh,
[41:47] >> the 2022 The 2022 was a sales tax bond.
[41:52] » the 2022 The 2022 was a sales tax bond.
[41:52] And we did um parks, we did some
[41:56] streets, we did cemetery
[41:59] um and we did some IMS infrastructure as
[42:02] well. And sales tax bonds have a
[42:05] combination of both taxable and
[42:07] taxexempt bonds as we were talking about
[42:10] before. Um we do taxable bonds
[42:13] specifically if we have issues where
[42:18] we could see revenue coming into that
[42:20] area. An example would be a park, right?
[42:23] If I have a park and I'm doing events
[42:24] and I'm making revenues, it's really
[42:26] hard to calculate the threshold every
[42:29] single year to meet the IRS regulations.
[42:31] So, we go forward and just say we're
[42:33] going to do a taxable bond. It takes the
[42:35] guesswork out of that.
[42:38] >> Council member, um, well, did you is
[42:41] » Council member, um, well, did you is
[42:41] what yours is a follow-up to what you
[42:42] just said?
[42:43] >> Yeah.
[42:43] » Yeah.
[42:43] >> Okay. And then council. Can you mix? Can
[42:46] » Okay. And then council. Can you mix? Can
[42:46] you say, "Hey, we have streets and we're
[42:48] going to use some geo bond and and sales
[42:50] tax bonds to pay something off."
[42:52] >> Yeah. Yeah, you could do however you
[42:54] » Yeah. Yeah, you could do however you
[42:54] wanted that combination to be. You could
[42:56] do so. Yes.
[42:57] >> And I think that was the combination in
[42:59] » And I think that was the combination in
[42:59] 2018. There were the funding our future
[43:01] dollars that were used for two different
[43:04] types of streets projects, I believe.
[43:06] So, that might [snorts] be why you were
[43:08] thinking of both being involved. And we
[43:11] kind of did the same thing with the
[43:12] parks bond and the sales tax bond.
[43:15] Combination of it is you know cemetery
[43:17] which is under parks as well with sales
[43:19] tax go mainly parks but we had parks
[43:24] also in the sales tax bond. So we did a
[43:25] combination there as well.
[43:27] >> Chavez.
[43:28] » Chavez.
[43:28] >> Oh thank you Mr. Chair. Um I had two
[43:30] » Oh thank you Mr. Chair. Um I had two
[43:30] questions. One of them was just the debt
[43:33] service ratio and if we've ever maxed it
[43:35] out or if you can help me understand if
[43:37] we're attempting to max that out at any
[43:39] point. We have not ever maxed it out.
[43:41] Our sales tax to debt service ratio is
[43:44] very high. I can't give you the exact
[43:46] amount. I could come up with that, but
[43:48] it's very very high and we've never come
[43:49] close to maxing it out.
[43:50] >> I was just curious if the um SECCC would
[43:54] » I was just curious if the um SECCC would
[43:54] somehow affect that. But you're saying
[43:56] those are separate because this is still
[43:58] our bonding capacity is Salt Lake City
[44:01] and remains unaffected by the SECCC.
[44:04] >> Yeah, we run the ratios but our ratio is
[44:06] » Yeah, we run the ratios but our ratio is
[44:06] so
[44:07] >> entertainment culture convention. Oh
[44:09] » entertainment culture convention. Oh
[44:09] yeah, ours ours is and ours is
[44:11] completely separate from theirs. Right
[44:13] >> for clarifying that what I wanted to
[44:15] » for clarifying that what I wanted to
[44:15] really understand. Second part of the
[44:17] question was just trying to understand
[44:19] the definition of new infrastructure.
[44:21] For example, I think of um some of our
[44:24] commitments to the Jordan River Trail
[44:26] and some of the assets there and just
[44:28] thinking about this as a lever um in the
[44:30] future if we wanted to look at it.
[44:33] >> Yes. So it would have to be
[44:34] » Yes. So it would have to be
[44:34] infrastructure. The infrastructure has
[44:36] to last 20 years. Bonds are 20. Our
[44:40] standard policy, not everyone's policy.
[44:43] Salt Lake City standard policy is a
[44:44] 20-year bond. You could do a 10-year
[44:47] bond. You could do a 20-year. You could
[44:48] do a 30-year. Now, most assets aren't
[44:50] going to last 30 years. So, I would
[44:52] never recommend doing a 30-year bond
[44:54] because you want your asset to at least
[44:56] last as long as your bond, if not
[44:58] outlast your bond because that would be
[45:01] like, you know, borrowing on a credit
[45:03] card to, right? It's that concept. So,
[45:07] yes, as long as it's infrastructure,
[45:09] permanent infrastructure that we can
[45:10] capitalize, we can do that with Jordan
[45:14] as well.
[45:16] >> Any other questions on sales tax bonds?
[45:19] » Any other questions on sales tax bonds?
[45:19] >> Okay. No.
[45:20] » Okay. No.
[45:20] >> Okay.
[45:21] » Okay.
[45:21] Next slide, please.
[45:25] So, if we did an impact fee bond, it
[45:29] wouldn't be necessarily an impact fee
[45:31] bond. It would probably be a revenue
[45:33] bond, i.e. a sales tax bond, but I
[45:37] wanted to show you how much the annual
[45:40] average amount we receive in impact
[45:43] fees, and this is a 5-year average, and
[45:46] what the PAR amount could potentially be
[45:48] for a streets bond, a parks bond, a
[45:51] police bond, and obviously a fire bond.
[45:54] We've talked about fire a little bit, as
[45:56] in we did LBA for two fire stations, and
[45:59] when we accumulate enough in the impact
[46:02] fees, we pay the debt service for it.
[46:04] You could also do this with police,
[46:06] parks, and streets.
[46:10] » Can I just chime in with one um just
[46:13] caution on that? Just a worry I have
[46:15] based on um discussions at the state
[46:17] legislature that would affect our
[46:19] ability to charge full impact fees um or
[46:23] impact fees in general. Um once we issue
[46:26] bonds, the state legislature tends to
[46:27] kind of leave it alone. Um, but it
[46:30] doesn't mean that we wouldn't be
[46:32] required to supplant um with general
[46:36] fund dollars. Um, so I guess I would
[46:38] consider that maybe like a riskier
[46:40] funding source to rely on. Um, sorry I
[46:43] wasn't here in person, but when Mary
[46:44] Beth mentioned the fire stations and
[46:46] that fire station impact fees pay for
[46:49] some years but not all years, I think
[46:50] that that's a good way to think about
[46:51] it. like impact fees are a plus and they
[46:54] can absolutely offset um uh debt service
[46:58] needs but maybe not um on a reliable
[47:01] ongoing basis.
[47:03] >> And if they changed if the legislature
[47:05] » And if they changed if the legislature
[47:05] changed those impact fees then the then
[47:07] the burden would be on the general fund
[47:08] to pay the debt service.
[47:11] We could take out a bond for streets for
[47:14] 22 million using our impacts because our
[47:18] impact fees would be able to pay off
[47:19] that $22 million
[47:21] >> in in 20 years
[47:22] » in in 20 years
[47:22] >> in 20 in whenever.
[47:24] » in 20 in whenever.
[47:24] >> Y
[47:24] » Y
[47:24] >> and that would be a 20-year bond.
[47:26] » and that would be a 20-year bond.
[47:26] >> Correct.
[47:27] » Correct.
[47:27] >> And and our
[47:29] » And and our
[47:29] impact uh fees would also we were
[47:32] assuming that they're also going to go
[47:33] up. This is this is 2025 impact fee
[47:36] money. 1.8 million. This is an average
[47:38] of five years
[47:39] >> average of the last five
[47:40] » average of the last five
[47:40] >> of what we've received over the last
[47:41] » of what we've received over the last
[47:41] five years.
[47:42] >> Okay. All right. But I think your point
[47:44] » Okay. All right. But I think your point
[47:44] of being cautious on that is because
[47:46] that basically is using up all your
[47:48] impacts for streets for this
[47:51] one infrastructure bond if you wanted to
[47:53] do it.
[47:53] >> You are correct.
[47:57] » Okay. Next slide please.
[48:01] So I've done the exact same thing with
[48:03] the fifth of the fifth cache. the fourth
[48:05] of the fourth cash and class C cash. We
[48:08] have in the past done a class C road
[48:12] bond. We've um it it expired
[48:17] three years ago, I believe. Um but this
[48:19] is basically the same thing. We're
[48:21] receiving $4 million maximum amount in
[48:24] cash from class C roads and it would
[48:26] create a par of 24690 and this is on a
[48:29] 10-year bond. So it's similar but note
[48:34] class C is a little bit more stable than
[48:35] impact fees in coming in. It comes from
[48:38] the state and we have done a class C
[48:39] bond. Now there's general fund always is
[48:43] um always has a backing always backs all
[48:46] of these bonds. So if we didn't get the
[48:48] $4 million to pay the debt service for
[48:50] your class C bond general fund would
[48:53] have to come up with the funding in
[48:54] order to pay that debt service.
[48:58] >> I'm Mr. Chair. I'm sorry.
[48:59] » I'm Mr. Chair. I'm sorry.
[48:59] >> Yeah. Go ahead
[49:00] » Yeah. Go ahead
[49:00] >> on the but in this case we're we're
[49:03] » on the but in this case we're we're
[49:03] probably already using that $1.1 million
[49:05] of the fifth the fifth.
[49:08] >> We are
[49:08] » We are
[49:08] >> we're already we're already spending
[49:10] » we're already we're already spending
[49:10] that probably somewhere in the streets
[49:12] department. I'm
[49:13] >> you are send you're spending it in CIP.
[49:15] » you are send you're spending it in CIP.
[49:15] You're spending all three of these
[49:16] funding sources in CIP currently.
[49:19] >> Right. So to bond really we're we're
[49:22] » Right. So to bond really we're we're
[49:22] already want we already using this
[49:23] money. So there's really no no reason to
[49:28] do a bond because you have to pay
[49:30] interest on that bond when we're already
[49:32] just paying
[49:33] >> except for it makes more of an impact,
[49:35] » except for it makes more of an impact,
[49:35] right? So if I could go out and do a $90
[49:37] million bond on the fourth or the
[49:38] fourth, right? You could do more sooner
[49:42] instead of spreading it out
[49:44] >> year over year over year over year.
[49:45] » year over year over year over year.
[49:45] >> It' be like a capital investment maybe
[49:47] » It' be like a capital investment maybe
[49:47] instead of ongoing maintenance kind of
[49:49] work.
[49:50] >> Okay. So it
[49:51] » Okay. So it
[49:51] >> but then we would have to but we would
[49:52] » but then we would have to but we would
[49:52] still have to find the ongoing
[49:53] maintenance like I don't know which what
[49:56] regular maintenance we wouldn't do to
[49:57] free that up for a capital investment.
[49:59] >> So there could be uses but okay
[50:05] » So there could be uses but okay
[50:05] >> correct
[50:06] » correct
[50:06] next slide. I don't think there is
[50:08] another slide. I think that's it.
[50:12] Um what Mary I think wasn't part of this
[50:15] fifth of the fifth directed to the
[50:17] sports entertainment convention and
[50:19] culture district
[50:23] >> because I know when the county enacted
[50:24] » because I know when the county enacted
[50:24] it
[50:24] >> was they um
[50:28] » was they um
[50:28] >> they only let us keep a certain
[50:30] » they only let us keep a certain
[50:30] percentage.
[50:30] >> It was let me and I'll confirm that make
[50:32] » It was let me and I'll confirm that make
[50:32] sure what that number is the accurate
[50:35] number for that. Um, and then the other
[50:37] one that I'll just bring to your
[50:39] attention is you could, if you wanted
[50:42] to, do an SAA bond. We have never done
[50:45] an SAA bond in Salt Lake City, but you
[50:48] could do an SAA bond for infrastructure
[50:51] as well.
[50:54] >> Special assessment. Special assessment
[50:56] » Special assessment. Special assessment
[50:56] area. It's a way to um leverage
[51:00] additional property taxes paid by people
[51:03] in the SAA to have an upfront
[51:05] improvement. Actually, it's very similar
[51:07] to the public infrastructure districts
[51:09] funding tool that now developers can
[51:12] use. So, it's just um like a a tax levy
[51:15] on people within the SAA.
[51:17] >> So,
[51:20] » So,
[51:20] >> that you mon that you monetize upfront a
[51:23] » that you mon that you monetize upfront a
[51:23] um a stream of payments. So essentially
[51:25] it's a stream of revenue that you
[51:27] monetize by having it up front.
[51:29] >> But in that case would have to be that
[51:32] » But in that case would have to be that
[51:32] case you would have to be used in that
[51:33] special SA district.
[51:36] >> That's correct.
[51:37] » That's correct.
[51:37] >> Okay.
[51:38] » Okay.
[51:38] >> But there may be but there may be an
[51:39] » But there may be but there may be an
[51:39] area or a time when you say you know
[51:42] what we really need an SAA bond for
[51:44] this. Right. It could be street
[51:45] improvements. It could be
[51:47] >> other infrastructures that that are
[51:49] » other infrastructures that that are
[51:50] needed in a growing area that you could
[51:52] potentially consider an SAA. We actually
[51:54] um the city proposed it to install the
[51:56] improvements along North Temple um all
[51:59] of the sidewalk improvements and the
[52:02] enhanced lighting and things like that.
[52:04] The SAA was ultimately not approved by
[52:06] the property owners. If you remember SAA
[52:08] law requires
[52:10] >> more than well it allows for 40% of the
[52:14] » more than well it allows for 40% of the
[52:14] property owners to protest and if 40% or
[52:16] more protests the city is not allowed to
[52:18] do an SAA. So the city ended up doing I
[52:20] think we did a sales tax bond for the
[52:22] North Temple one. Yeah.
[52:23] >> Y
[52:24] » Y
[52:24] >> So, um it's a it's a funding tool that
[52:27] » So, um it's a it's a funding tool that
[52:27] comes with a little more strings. Um
[52:29] yeah,
[52:30] >> it does.
[52:33] » it does.
[52:33] [snorts]
[52:33] >> Any other questions on bonds?
[52:36] » Any other questions on bonds?
[52:36] >> Just
[52:39] along those same lines, I just wanted to
[52:40] make the point on the geo bonds. Even
[52:42] though we would have free freed up
[52:44] capacity and could bond without raising
[52:47] taxes, you would still have to go to the
[52:48] voters
[52:50] >> and they would have to approve that,
[52:51] » and they would have to approve that,
[52:52] right? So
[52:52] >> the the other ones, the sales tax bonds,
[52:54] » the the other ones, the sales tax bonds,
[52:54] we we just approve that.
[52:56] >> Correct.
[52:56] » Correct.
[52:56] >> The council does.
[52:57] » The council does.
[52:57] >> Yep.
[52:58] » Yep.
[52:58] >> And the the other bonds, the fifth, the
[53:00] » And the the other bonds, the fifth, the
[53:00] fifth, that's automatically comes from
[53:02] us from the uh
[53:03] >> Yeah. So what you would do is you do a
[53:04] » Yeah. So what you would do is you do a
[53:04] sales tax bond and but you would
[53:07] obligate the funding from the fifth, the
[53:08] fifth, the quarter, the quarter or the
[53:10] class C.
[53:10] >> Got you do a sales tax bond, but it's
[53:12] » Got you do a sales tax bond, but it's
[53:12] obligated from the funding would come
[53:13] from the fifth, the fifth or the quarter
[53:15] to quarter.
[53:16] >> Correct. Just like just like the impact
[53:17] » Correct. Just like just like the impact
[53:17] fees. Yeah. It would be a sales revenue
[53:20] bond is more generic than say sales tax
[53:22] bond.
[53:23] >> Okay. Okay.
[53:27] » Any other questions?
[53:28] >> I don't think so.
[53:29] » I don't think so.
[53:29] >> Okay. Thank you.
[53:30] » Okay. Thank you.
[53:30] >> Thank you. Jill, you might want to just
[53:32] » Thank you. Jill, you might want to just
[53:32] stay up here because I think the next
[53:34] part of this is the space.
[53:36] >> I've got great news. This is Tammy.
[53:38] » I've got great news. This is Tammy.
[53:38] >> Oh, that is exciting. Well, I just
[53:42] » Oh, that is exciting. Well, I just
[53:42] really want you at that table. So, but
[53:44] okay.
[53:47] Um, Tammy and Jorge, come on up.
[53:49] [snorts]
[53:50] >> Okay. Yeah, come on down just for fun.
[53:59] » Okay.
[54:04] » A motion.
[54:07] >> Are we doing
[54:09] » Are we doing
[54:09] >> There was a part.
[54:10] » There was a part.
[54:10] >> Okay. If there's anything for open
[54:11] » Okay. If there's anything for open
[54:12] session.
[54:14] >> Oh. Oh. Oh. Okay. I didn't know that
[54:18] » Oh. Oh. Oh. Okay. I didn't know that
[54:18] part was okay. Well, then I will look
[54:21] for um a motion. We The request is to go
[54:25] into close session for the purpose of
[54:27] discussing strategy
[54:29] um to purchase, exchange or lease real
[54:31] property and attorney client matters.
[54:33] So, I'll look for a motion. Oh, and then
[54:36] but this is part of it. Is that
[54:41] okay?
[54:42] >> Mr. Mr. Chair, I move that we enter
[54:43] » Mr. Mr. Chair, I move that we enter
[54:43] close session for the purpose of a
[54:45] strategy session to discuss the
[54:47] purchase, exchange, or lease of real
[54:48] property and to receive attorney client
[54:51] advice.
[54:52] >> Second.
[54:54] » Second.
[54:54] >> I have a motion from Council Member Mono
[54:55] » I have a motion from Council Member Mono
[54:55] and a second from Council Member Lopez
[54:57] Chavez. We'll go ahead and roll call it.
[54:59] Council member Dugan.
[55:00] >> Yes.
[55:00] » Yes.
[55:00] >> Lopez Chavez.
[55:01] » Lopez Chavez.
[55:01] >> I.
[55:02] » I.
[55:02] >> Um Mono,
[55:04] » Um Mono,
[55:04] >> I.
[55:04] » I.
[55:04] >> Young
[55:05] » Young
[55:05] >> I.
[55:06] » I.
[55:06] >> And I am an I as well. That is um 5 to
[55:11] » And I am an I as well. That is um 5 to
[55:11] uh zero with two council members absent.
[55:14] We are in close session. If you're not
[55:17] um here for this item specifically, if
[55:19] you wouldn't mind just stepping out into
[55:21] the hall while we have this discussion
[55:23] real quick.
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[1:44:24] » We're on agenda item number four, which
[1:44:28] is a public safety plan update. And for
[1:44:31] this we have Michael from our office and
[1:44:34] then also Chief Red. So, uh, come on
[1:44:38] down.
[1:44:43] » And so, Michael, you've wanted to just
[1:44:45] introduce this and then hand it over to
[1:44:47] the chief. We'll do. Okay. So, thanks,
[1:44:50] council. Also, in January of 2025, Mayor
[1:44:52] Menhal released the public safety plan.
[1:44:55] [snorts]
[1:44:55] And now, Chief Red will provide us with
[1:44:58] an update regarding progress made on the
[1:45:00] plan and some other relevant public
[1:45:01] safety initiatives.
[1:45:05] » Well, thank you, Mr. Chair and Council.
[1:45:08] It's good to be with all of you. uh and
[1:45:11] and you know anytime I have an
[1:45:12] opportunity I just want to say thank you
[1:45:14] for the all the support the uh budget
[1:45:16] increase this year and and just all of
[1:45:19] the support that uh and the availability
[1:45:20] that you give us. So thank you. Um yeah
[1:45:23] we love to just kind of update you on
[1:45:26] what's happening in the department
[1:45:27] currently. Uh we we've recently
[1:45:30] presented this to the federal delegation
[1:45:32] into some and other other in other
[1:45:34] meetings. So it'd be great to go to the
[1:45:36] next slide and we'll just get started.
[1:45:40] Uh these are kind of the the areas that
[1:45:42] we're going to just quickly highlight.
[1:45:44] Um high our high utilizer overview or
[1:45:47] connect program crime patterns and
[1:45:48] mitigation enforcement and staffing. Go
[1:45:51] next slide.
[1:45:54] You know upon arrival here at Salt Lake
[1:45:56] City and even prior to to working here
[1:45:58] when I was with the Department of Public
[1:46:00] Safety, you know, one of the challenges
[1:46:02] that we always face are are high
[1:46:04] utilizers of the criminal justice and
[1:46:05] social services system. And when we got
[1:46:09] here as part of the public safety plan,
[1:46:11] the mayor had uh pulled together a
[1:46:14] policy group to address these high
[1:46:17] utilizers. And we formed the connect
[1:46:18] list and and the Salt Lake City Police
[1:46:20] Department dedicated two full social
[1:46:22] workers full-time to the 50 top
[1:46:26] individuals in the in the uh community
[1:46:29] that have encounters with Salt Lake City
[1:46:31] Police Department. It could be an
[1:46:32] arrest, a citation, it could just be a
[1:46:34] call for service to help them. But the
[1:46:36] 50 people that were most contacted by
[1:46:38] Salt Lake City, if you go to the next,
[1:46:40] well, before I go to the next slide, you
[1:46:42] can see some of the partners involved in
[1:46:45] this collaboration. And we meet on a
[1:46:47] regular basis uh under the mayor's
[1:46:50] direction as a policy group with these
[1:46:52] partners and then there's a lot of work
[1:46:54] groups and and conversations that are
[1:46:56] going on in between the main meetings.
[1:46:58] But it's an amazing collaboration
[1:47:01] uh that's occurring as we really work to
[1:47:04] resolve the issues of these individuals
[1:47:07] on the on the connect list. If you'll go
[1:47:09] to the next slide,
[1:47:11] you [clears throat] can see here uh on
[1:47:14] the right are the 50 individuals. Their
[1:47:16] names aren't there obviously for privacy
[1:47:18] reasons, but you can see the the number
[1:47:20] of encounters. So, you can see some of
[1:47:22] these individuals have 37 warrants, uh
[1:47:24] 74 warrants, uh 14 jail bookings, 16
[1:47:29] jail bookings in a one-year period. And
[1:47:31] so, this is taking a lot of police
[1:47:33] resources, fire resources, uh justice
[1:47:36] court resources.
[1:47:37] >> Go to just to put the flowers up.
[1:47:40] » Go to just to put the flowers up.
[1:47:40] >> Yeah.
[1:47:41] » Yeah.
[1:47:41] >> Welcome, Greg. So,
[1:47:42] » Welcome, Greg. So,
[1:47:42] >> thank you so much.
[1:47:48] So, um, we'll just keep going. So,
[1:47:52] coming together to try to get to the
[1:47:54] underlying issues on these individuals.
[1:47:55] Most of these individuals are
[1:47:56] misdemeanor, misdemeanor population,
[1:47:59] trespassings, uh, you know, drug use,
[1:48:02] uh, things that are mostly misdemeanors
[1:48:05] and and, uh, they have mo most of them
[1:48:08] have, if not all of them have serious
[1:48:10] mental illness uh, and behavior
[1:48:12] behavioral health issues and and
[1:48:14] substance use issues. If you'll go to
[1:48:15] the next slide.
[1:48:18] Uh, one of the first things that we did
[1:48:20] in in the population with this
[1:48:22] population is is put together this one
[1:48:24] page pager. You can look to the right of
[1:48:26] the screen. That's the one pager that we
[1:48:28] provided to our police officers uh to
[1:48:31] say, "Hey, look, when you encounter
[1:48:32] these individuals, you may you may be
[1:48:35] taking them to jail and that may be
[1:48:37] appropriate, but there are other things
[1:48:39] that you can do as well. um you can
[1:48:42] refer them to the mental health the
[1:48:44] Huntsman crisis mental uh crisis center
[1:48:46] you know if they're homeless we worked
[1:48:48] with the road home and the state
[1:48:50] homeless board and you see the QR code
[1:48:52] on the right uh they've given Salt Lake
[1:48:54] City some priority beds at the at the
[1:48:56] weekend center so if people need a place
[1:48:59] to go we can take them there and they
[1:49:01] get stabilized there and then they get
[1:49:02] moved to more more a better like one of
[1:49:05] the resource centers
[1:49:07] uh or if intoxication's a factor we we
[1:49:09] can we don't have to necessarily arrest
[1:49:11] them and take them to jail on a on a on
[1:49:13] a misdemeanor, but we can take them to
[1:49:15] to the VA or to the Huntsman Mental
[1:49:17] Health Institute to detox. And so, we're
[1:49:19] trying to give our officers tools and
[1:49:21] how we help uh these individuals. Next
[1:49:24] slide.
[1:49:28] Um this just kind of this is a a top
[1:49:30] this is kind of an overview of these top
[1:49:32] 50 individuals. This was put together by
[1:49:34] Salt Lake County Criminal Justice
[1:49:36] Services. Um, you can see most of the
[1:49:40] interactions with these 50 individuals
[1:49:42] occur in Salt Lake City, though they do
[1:49:44] move around the valley. Uh, you can see
[1:49:47] the types of crimes uh that we're
[1:49:49] dealing with, as I mentioned earlier,
[1:49:50] drugs, trespassing, homelessness
[1:49:53] related, um, public order crimes.
[1:49:57] Uh, if you go down, let's see. Well, if
[1:50:00] you look to the upper right on the
[1:50:02] chart, you can see starting in 2022 the
[1:50:04] number of events that our officers were
[1:50:06] having with these individuals. And you
[1:50:08] can see from 2022, it's just escalated.
[1:50:11] And it and it peaked um in in 2020,
[1:50:16] early 2025, late 2024, early 2025. And
[1:50:19] you can see the drop down. And the drop
[1:50:21] down is because of the interventions
[1:50:23] that we're, you know, we're now putting
[1:50:25] in place. uh starting in April is when
[1:50:28] we started working on the connect
[1:50:29] program. So some of these individuals
[1:50:31] are currently incarcerated. Some of them
[1:50:33] we've been able to get into shelter uh
[1:50:35] getting into get them into treatment. If
[1:50:37] you go to the next slide,
[1:50:40] you can just see how the number of
[1:50:41] interactions starting in January
[1:50:45] 24 on the far left uh to April 25 when
[1:50:49] they peaked. And then you can see after
[1:50:50] the connect list, you can see the number
[1:50:52] of citations, bookings have gone down,
[1:50:55] which frees up capacity in the justice
[1:50:58] court system. It frees up police and
[1:50:59] fire resources. Um, you know, so the key
[1:51:04] is if if if the individuals are
[1:51:06] incarcerated or in jail, like we need to
[1:51:09] then get to them to at the jail and get
[1:51:10] them start getting getting them on a on
[1:51:12] a getting getting them assessed on a
[1:51:14] treatment plan and then ensuring that we
[1:51:17] release them to a better environment,
[1:51:18] but we're having some success with this
[1:51:19] top 50. There are gaps in the system.
[1:51:23] Um, we're we're identifying gaps in
[1:51:25] disability services,
[1:51:27] uh, gaps in and in reporting procedures
[1:51:31] and in how we share information. The
[1:51:33] justice court judges uh, have indicated
[1:51:35] that they don't have all the information
[1:51:37] on these individuals. They're focusing
[1:51:38] maybe on the charge at hand and not
[1:51:41] seeing the broader picture. So, we're
[1:51:43] working on all of those things
[1:51:44] currently. Next slide.
[1:51:48] But you can see overall since we started
[1:51:50] the connect program, uh, arrests for
[1:51:53] these individuals are down 28.4%. So
[1:51:56] that's good news.
[1:51:59] Um, next slide.
[1:52:04] Of the individuals not currently
[1:52:06] incarcerated, 14 have not been or
[1:52:10] arrested arrested or cited in the last
[1:52:12] three months. So, so even even though
[1:52:13] many of them have been put in jail and
[1:52:16] are are hopefully getting the help there
[1:52:18] that they need, many of them are not
[1:52:20] being put in jail. And it's interesting
[1:52:22] to talk to our director of behavioral
[1:52:24] health, but she will she will tell the
[1:52:26] story that one of these individuals
[1:52:29] uh uh they the social worker had
[1:52:32] mentioned, you're you're you're the
[1:52:33] number one uh person on the connect
[1:52:36] list. You have more involvements with
[1:52:37] Salt Lake City Police than any other
[1:52:39] person. and that it motivate motivated
[1:52:41] that individual to start bringing those
[1:52:43] interactions down. So just having good
[1:52:46] communication and collaboration with
[1:52:48] these individuals is is making a
[1:52:50] difference. Um
[1:52:52] anyway, next slide.
[1:52:57] this uh these heat maps. Uh I I'll when
[1:52:59] when we started uh like when I got here
[1:53:01] to the Salt Lake City Police Department,
[1:53:04] uh you know, I went out on the second
[1:53:06] week to the Jordan River Trail and what
[1:53:08] we saw happening on the Jordan River
[1:53:10] Trail was just uh it was it was
[1:53:11] unacceptable. I mean, we had children
[1:53:13] walking through drug deals and through,
[1:53:16] you know, needles and all kinds of
[1:53:18] things going on. It was it was it had
[1:53:20] gone past homelessness to to a very
[1:53:22] criminogenic location.
[1:53:24] And so we in with you know under the
[1:53:29] direction of the mayor with her support
[1:53:30] we closed the Jordan River Trail to do
[1:53:32] some remediation but it gave the it gave
[1:53:34] the the the the river a break. But you
[1:53:37] can see on the far left the this is a
[1:53:39] heat map of homeless related calls for
[1:53:41] service. You can see on the left uh the
[1:53:44] Jordan River and all the yellow and then
[1:53:46] you can see the bright yellow spot to
[1:53:48] the right of that. That's North Temple
[1:53:49] and 800 West. And then you can see the
[1:53:52] rest of the city and there's some red
[1:53:53] and blue. These are homeless related
[1:53:54] calls for service. Um
[1:53:58] this is the the first one the the the
[1:54:00] chart on the left March 20th through
[1:54:02] April 2nd was that was the heat map for
[1:54:04] March 20th through April 2nd. We started
[1:54:07] utilizing these maps on a weekly basis
[1:54:09] to put resources and locations of calls
[1:54:12] for service. You can see how it shifted
[1:54:15] um on August 11 through 17. in the
[1:54:17] middle chart. This is at the at the peak
[1:54:19] of summer prior uh just prior to um our
[1:54:24] operation safe streets where we surged
[1:54:27] some additional police resources into
[1:54:28] the city with our partners from uh
[1:54:30] Department of Natural Resources, DPS, uh
[1:54:33] Unified came up and helped for a short
[1:54:35] time and UTA. You can see how things had
[1:54:38] shifted away from the Jordan River but
[1:54:40] to other parts of the city. this
[1:54:41] downtown ballpark and and uh Fairmont
[1:54:45] Park. You can see all have yellow spots.
[1:54:48] After our surge in operation uh in
[1:54:50] November uh we move to the right chart
[1:54:53] and you see November 10th through 16th.
[1:54:56] You can see the heat map. We've cooled
[1:54:58] the whole city down on homeless related
[1:54:59] calls for service except for central
[1:55:02] divisions got a little a little
[1:55:03] persistent spot that we are aware of and
[1:55:05] and trying to work on. I've seen the
[1:55:07] most recent as of this week and we don't
[1:55:10] have any yellow as of this week on the
[1:55:12] chart. Now, some of that is driven by
[1:55:14] cool cold weather, but also the March
[1:55:17] 20th uh also is a is a was a was prior
[1:55:20] to kind of the warmup and and so we we
[1:55:23] think we're making some progress, but
[1:55:25] this is kind of how we track uh what's
[1:55:27] happening on the on the streets with
[1:55:29] homeless related calls. Okay, next
[1:55:31] slide.
[1:55:34] I just want to highlight our our crime
[1:55:36] stats. Um, as of
[1:55:41] I'm sorry, I'm looking for the date on
[1:55:42] this. 128 it looks like. Is that right?
[1:55:45] Yeah, 128. So, this was Yes, as of
[1:55:47] yesterday. If you look at the um the bar
[1:55:51] chart on the bottom right, you can see
[1:55:53] that overall crime, the blue is property
[1:55:56] crime, the red is is violent crime. You
[1:55:58] can see overall we're to the lowest
[1:56:00] level in, you know, over however many
[1:56:03] years that is, eight years in the city.
[1:56:06] So crime is down overall in the city um
[1:56:09] to its lowest level in over eight years.
[1:56:11] If you look at if you go up from there
[1:56:13] and you look on the the the the bottom
[1:56:15] right corner of the chart above the bar
[1:56:18] chart, you see the 11.5%
[1:56:21] at the very bottom right. That's overall
[1:56:24] crime the past three years. So on a
[1:56:26] three-year average, crime is down 11 and
[1:56:28] a half% in the city. You can see it's
[1:56:30] down. If you go up from there, property
[1:56:32] crime is down 12. It's hard to see these
[1:56:36] numbers on the screen. 12% and 0.4% for
[1:56:39] violent crime. If you go up from there,
[1:56:41] so we're doing we're doing good on the
[1:56:44] crime reduction in the city. If you look
[1:56:46] at the Thank you. If you look at the
[1:56:48] one-year, which is to the left of the
[1:56:50] three-year average, you see the 4.6%.
[1:56:54] That's that's how much crime is down
[1:56:56] overall in 2025. 4.6%.
[1:56:59] Uh 5.5% for property crime. Violent
[1:57:03] crime is up 1.2% this year and it's
[1:57:06] driven uh primarily by uh rape, sexual
[1:57:10] assault. Now, it's up significantly.
[1:57:14] We're hoping that sexual assault and
[1:57:18] rape aren't up. What we're hoping is
[1:57:19] that more reporting is occurring. And we
[1:57:22] just recently met with the Rape Recovery
[1:57:23] Center and they've not seen a necess
[1:57:25] they haven't necessar they told us they
[1:57:26] haven't necessarily seen a surge in
[1:57:28] clients. So, we're hoping that there is
[1:57:31] more reporting going on. We do know
[1:57:32] there's more reporting going on jail,
[1:57:34] but we also know we're arresting at a
[1:57:36] higher rate this year, and we think and
[1:57:38] there's a lot of reporting that is
[1:57:39] happening at the jail, which um is good.
[1:57:44] The last thing I'll point out on this
[1:57:46] chart is if you look over to the bar
[1:57:48] chart on the bottom left, you'll see the
[1:57:51] 2025 bar. This is the week of December
[1:57:54] 1st through 7th. We had 111 total
[1:57:57] reported crimes for that for the week of
[1:58:00] December 1st through 2nd across the
[1:58:01] city. In 2024,
[1:58:04] we had this this week uh last year 211
[1:58:08] and on a three-year average uh we it was
[1:58:11] 242 crimes. So crime is significantly
[1:58:14] down at least this week uh the first
[1:58:17] week of December this year. So we hope
[1:58:19] that that uh that trend continues um you
[1:58:23] know as we as we move along into 2026
[1:58:26] any I we can go to the next slide we can
[1:58:28] do question is if there's no questions
[1:58:30] on this we can we can move forward and
[1:58:32] go to the next slide
[1:58:36] » you can see this
[1:58:38] >> chief sorry to interrupt you we have one
[1:58:40] » chief sorry to interrupt you we have one
[1:58:40] question from
[1:58:40] >> I thought you were grabbing your
[1:58:41] » I thought you were grabbing your
[1:58:41] >> sorry my thumb I just would kept missing
[1:58:43] » sorry my thumb I just would kept missing
[1:58:43] the button for whatever reason I just
[1:58:45] wanted to point out something I've
[1:58:46] noticed with reporting because a lot of
[1:58:48] the district port neighbors are
[1:58:50] reporting and they've increased those
[1:58:51] practices is part of it is just the
[1:58:54] customer service as aspect. The CRM that
[1:58:56] PD is using is a lot more uh
[1:58:59] consumer-based and friendly. I'm curious
[1:59:01] if you've seen more activity that maybe
[1:59:04] shows that trend um because I certainly
[1:59:06] hear that there's more reporting, but
[1:59:07] I'd love to see some analysis that shows
[1:59:10] that. I'd love to to see that our
[1:59:12] residents and neighbors are using this
[1:59:14] for emergencies.
[1:59:16] >> Yeah, I I will look into that. Um, we do
[1:59:18] » Yeah, I I will look into that. Um, we do
[1:59:18] know reporting is up this year. We had
[1:59:20] that checked a few months ago and
[1:59:21] reporting uh calling in is is definitely
[1:59:23] up. So, uh, you know, and the message
[1:59:25] that I could I will continue to send to
[1:59:27] the community is you need to please
[1:59:29] report. We we don't know what we don't
[1:59:31] know. So, please report. If you're a
[1:59:33] victim of a crime, please report and uh,
[1:59:36] you know, and then we have to get good
[1:59:37] at at responding in a timely manner and
[1:59:39] all of those we're which we're
[1:59:41] definitely working on. But yeah, we'll
[1:59:43] look into that for you, council member.
[1:59:46] Uh this is just showing the number of
[1:59:49] arrests by year from 2018 to 2025. As
[1:59:53] you can see, our arrest statistics are
[1:59:55] up uh significantly this year uh as
[1:59:59] they've been trending up for a number of
[2:00:01] years. Um so our officers are working
[2:00:04] hard and and just appreciate the good
[2:00:06] work that they're doing out there. Um,
[2:00:08] you know, we do have, uh, going back to
[2:00:11] the connect, we do, you know, we we want
[2:00:13] to re reduce the number of repeat
[2:00:15] arrests and we want people getting, uh,
[2:00:17] you know, having the consequences the
[2:00:19] first time or getting the help the first
[2:00:21] time. So, we'll continue to watch this
[2:00:23] trend. But this just shows our officers
[2:00:25] are out there working hard and and you
[2:00:26] can see crime is coming down. Next
[2:00:29] slide.
[2:00:32] Uh, and this is citations. uh just
[2:00:34] showing that uh increase in the number
[2:00:36] of citations and you can see a
[2:00:38] significant increase in in 2025 on
[2:00:40] citations.
[2:00:42] Next slide.
[2:00:45] And this just shows uh camping and
[2:00:47] panhandling uh enforcement and you can
[2:00:49] see it's defin it's up in 2025 as well.
[2:00:53] Next slide.
[2:00:56] Now before I go to before I talk about
[2:00:57] this point um while we talk about you
[2:01:00] know crime statistics showing things
[2:01:01] down in in most categories something
[2:01:04] else that we're very focused on is also
[2:01:06] the feeling of safety
[2:01:08] and we're grappling with how we can make
[2:01:12] people feel safe in the city. Uh one of
[2:01:15] those things is to make sure that we're
[2:01:16] we're close to the community, close to
[2:01:18] the residents. We're hearing their
[2:01:19] concerns. We're being responsive. So
[2:01:21] we're looking at how we can consolidate
[2:01:23] all of the information that's coming
[2:01:25] into the department. We have some coming
[2:01:26] into the cities my SLC apps, some comes
[2:01:29] into department, some comes into 911,
[2:01:32] and we're trying to figure out how to
[2:01:34] make sure that's all flowing to one
[2:01:35] central location in a timely manner so
[2:01:37] we can be more responsive. But one of
[2:01:39] the things that we're going to do in
[2:01:40] 2026 is look at what we're kind of
[2:01:42] terming these micro neighborhood safety
[2:01:45] collaborives. You know, every
[2:01:46] neighborhood in the city has a little
[2:01:47] different working with. I was just
[2:01:49] talking to council member Young about
[2:01:51] her area in a particular spot that's
[2:01:53] having some challenges with and and
[2:01:56] there's certain stakeholders that that
[2:01:57] maybe aren't applicable to other parts
[2:01:59] of the city. So, how we become more
[2:02:01] responsive as a police department and
[2:02:03] and and also all the other city
[2:02:05] departments kind of working together
[2:02:06] with the community. There's there's a
[2:02:08] lot of good community members that want
[2:02:10] to be involved and that have good
[2:02:11] insight. We need to figure out how to
[2:02:12] all come together. So, the feeling of
[2:02:15] safety is something that we're also
[2:02:16] going to work on as we continue bring
[2:02:18] crime down. Now, this next uh slide, we
[2:02:22] have the University of Texas San Antonio
[2:02:24] that helps us helps us with policing
[2:02:26] strategies and they've been with us
[2:02:27] about three years. We just had them here
[2:02:29] today. Um if you go back, sorry. Um, we
[2:02:34] had them take our Salt Lake City data,
[2:02:36] five years worth of data, and we said,
[2:02:37] "Can you can you look at our drug crime,
[2:02:40] our transient homeless related crimes
[2:02:42] that we talked about earlier, and our
[2:02:44] violent crime, and what what can you
[2:02:47] tell us about the overlap, if any?" And
[2:02:50] this is what they came back with. They
[2:02:51] said there is a person and place-based
[2:02:54] overlap between drugs, homelessness, and
[2:02:56] violent crime in Salt Lake City. It's
[2:02:59] probably not surprising, but the data is
[2:03:01] is bearing this out. Um, the second
[2:03:04] point which is important for all of us
[2:03:05] to understand is homeless individuals
[2:03:07] are at much higher risk for violent
[2:03:09] victimization often by other homeless
[2:03:11] individuals. This is why it's so
[2:03:13] important that we we work on getting
[2:03:15] people into shelter and into into better
[2:03:18] situations. And then the third is drugs
[2:03:21] play a significant role in violence on
[2:03:23] the streets of Salt Lake City. So if you
[2:03:25] go to the next slide, the the university
[2:03:29] recommended three strategies. Number
[2:03:32] one, we need to focus on repeat violent
[2:03:34] places and we're working with them on
[2:03:36] those on those strategies currently. We
[2:03:39] need to ensure and this goes toward the
[2:03:41] broader criminal justice system, but we
[2:03:43] need to ensure there's a credible threat
[2:03:44] of arrest and incarceration for drug
[2:03:46] dealers, uh people who are victimizing
[2:03:49] others. And then last uh treatment uh
[2:03:55] needs to be considered for in
[2:03:57] individuals who uh are pre previous
[2:03:59] violent victims and offenders in
[2:04:01] particular and and just ensuring that we
[2:04:04] get them into better situations and get
[2:04:05] them treated so they don't continue to
[2:04:07] cycle in the system. So we're working on
[2:04:09] all these strategies in a lot of
[2:04:11] different ways. Next slide.
[2:04:14] >> Can I ask a question?
[2:04:16] » Can I ask a question?
[2:04:16] >> Yes, council member Petro. Go ahead. So
[2:04:19] » Yes, council member Petro. Go ahead. So
[2:04:19] while I understand, thank you. While I
[2:04:21] understand that the credible threat of
[2:04:22] arrest and incarceration for things like
[2:04:23] drug dealing are I I can understand the
[2:04:26] deterrent nature for that. Um on
[2:04:29] citations,
[2:04:32] do we see anything credible that is
[2:04:36] improving outcomes with those or are we
[2:04:39] just getting people who have is it just
[2:04:42] an accumulation of citations? Like I I I
[2:04:46] accidentally almost forgot to pay a
[2:04:47] parking citation and it's literally my
[2:04:50] budget that I would have infected.
[2:04:52] >> Like can you explain to me why the
[2:04:54] » Like can you explain to me why the
[2:04:54] citations are worth the energy that
[2:04:57] we're putting into it?
[2:04:58] >> Yeah. the way that I'll that I'll put it
[2:05:01] » Yeah. the way that I'll that I'll put it
[2:05:01] uh that I was always taught around
[2:05:03] traffic citations and maybe we can
[2:05:06] apply it across across this what you're
[2:05:10] always seeking for
[2:05:12] in anyone's behavior is is kind of like
[2:05:15] this um voluntary compliance and if they
[2:05:19] voluntarily comply that could be just a
[2:05:21] verbal warning. Um, and if if they
[2:05:24] voluntarily comply, great. But if they
[2:05:26] don't volunt voluntarily comply or it's
[2:05:28] egregious enough, then you need to like
[2:05:31] put it put them into the court system or
[2:05:32] give them a citation. If if that's not
[2:05:35] working, then you escalate to to an
[2:05:37] arrest. So, I think we're trying to find
[2:05:39] I mean, we would love to have voluntary
[2:05:41] compliance. I think this probably
[2:05:42] signals that we have a lot of people in
[2:05:45] and probably in in our public spaces
[2:05:47] that are not following the rules, you
[2:05:50] know, following the norms that we've
[2:05:52] we've established in the community and
[2:05:54] that's what is generating the citations.
[2:05:56] Um the alternative is to arrest them if
[2:05:58] they're not going to comply. So that's
[2:06:01] why we're working with the repeat
[2:06:02] offenders uh in on the connect list is
[2:06:05] like trying to resolve the underlying
[2:06:08] issues of these individuals
[2:06:10] um so we don't have to write so many
[2:06:12] citations or continually remind people.
[2:06:14] Um so I think we number one would like
[2:06:16] to seek voluntary compliance. If we
[2:06:18] can't get that then we go to the
[2:06:20] citation. If we can't get that then
[2:06:21] maybe they need to be um incapacitated
[2:06:23] through arrest for a time as we continue
[2:06:26] to help these individuals. So it
[2:06:28] >> I just hate paying our capable and
[2:06:31] » I just hate paying our capable and
[2:06:31] skilled officers to do cisphus-l like
[2:06:34] tasks when the rest of the system around
[2:06:36] them has failed and what they're
[2:06:39] actually enc encountering is a human
[2:06:42] condition crisis.
[2:06:44] >> Yeah.
[2:06:44] » Yeah.
[2:06:44] >> And people are not complying because
[2:06:47] » And people are not complying because
[2:06:47] they are exhausted because they have
[2:06:49] been pushed from one place that they're
[2:06:50] not allowed to be to the next place that
[2:06:52] they're not allowed to be and the
[2:06:53] resources aren't coming. And we're
[2:06:55] talking about involuntary commitment for
[2:06:58] as you know the response to poverty at
[2:07:00] this point. And and you all as one of
[2:07:04] the only institutional interactions that
[2:07:06] they might get are being requested to
[2:07:09] interact with them in a way that doesn't
[2:07:11] build the trust with them so that when
[2:07:12] they are assaulted they will come to
[2:07:13] you. That doesn't build the rapport with
[2:07:15] them that you need when someone does
[2:07:17] something in the community and you need
[2:07:18] someone to trust that you're there for
[2:07:20] their best interest. And so like I when
[2:07:23] we're talking about the drug dealers,
[2:07:24] when we're talking about the violence,
[2:07:26] yes, let's go. But when we're talking
[2:07:28] about someone who is exhausted and has
[2:07:31] feet that are wet and cold and has
[2:07:33] nowhere viable to go from the spot that
[2:07:35] that we're invicting them from
[2:07:38] >> and we give them a citation for having a
[2:07:41] » and we give them a citation for having a
[2:07:42] temporary roof over their head, I fail
[2:07:44] to see how that's a great fiduciary
[2:07:45] investment in that officer, in that
[2:07:48] officer's skill, in that officer's
[2:07:49] moment. And I fail to see how it gets us
[2:07:52] to our goal and certainly my goal which
[2:07:55] is that public spaces are well shared
[2:07:57] between every constituent in society and
[2:08:00] sheltered and sheltered alike. Um and I
[2:08:02] don't know that there's an answer that
[2:08:03] you can provide because the systemic
[2:08:05] failure is not you. You are the one that
[2:08:07] shows up. The systemic failure is every
[2:08:10] other level of government that has been
[2:08:11] derelictked in its duty and played
[2:08:12] culture war with this nonsense since you
[2:08:15] know essentially we were in elementary
[2:08:17] school. No, I thank you for the feedback
[2:08:19] and we'll we'll definitely consider it.
[2:08:21] I think it's it's it's challenging
[2:08:23] because we there has to be
[2:08:25] accountability in the system and there
[2:08:27] also needs to be support for these
[2:08:28] individuals and I think we're trying to
[2:08:30] strike that balance between
[2:08:31] accountability.
[2:08:33] Not all of those citations are are
[2:08:35] camping citations, you know, or there
[2:08:38] there's a lot of trespassing citations
[2:08:40] because people don't want them on their
[2:08:41] properties and and so that that there is
[2:08:44] a lot of that on on trespassing.
[2:08:47] But um you know, I think we just need to
[2:08:51] and I and I say this all the time to our
[2:08:53] people. Uh we need to police with our
[2:08:55] values in mind. So, uh, as we hold
[2:08:58] people accountable, we need to do it in
[2:08:59] a way that is respectful and empathetic
[2:09:01] to the situations that people are in and
[2:09:03] be mindful of that while also upholding
[2:09:06] the law, which we're asked to do. And
[2:09:07] it's it's tough. And that's why we're
[2:09:09] working with our connect list to try to
[2:09:11] find a better model to get people the
[2:09:14] help that they need. Um, and also set an
[2:09:17] expectation that you you do need to
[2:09:19] follow the rules of society and even
[2:09:21] though you have challenges. Could we get
[2:09:23] that to the other levels of government
[2:09:24] who should follow the rules of their
[2:09:26] oath to the constitution to do their
[2:09:28] statutory responsibility? That would be
[2:09:30] spectacular.
[2:09:30] >> Well, I we're committed at Salt Lake PD
[2:09:33] » Well, I we're committed at Salt Lake PD
[2:09:33] to doing it the best that we can.
[2:09:35] >> Well, thank you.
[2:09:36] » Well, thank you.
[2:09:36] >> I am thankful to you all. I am not that
[2:09:37] » I am thankful to you all. I am not that
[2:09:37] is not an indictment on you or you all,
[2:09:39] but I don't I don't like asking our
[2:09:41] officers to participate in activities
[2:09:44] >> where we [clears throat] get no closer
[2:09:45] » where we [clears throat] get no closer
[2:09:45] to a resolution and it just uses their
[2:09:47] time, energy, and resources.
[2:09:48] >> That's understood. Thank you,
[2:09:50] » That's understood. Thank you,
[2:09:50] >> Council Member Dugan. Oh, council member
[2:09:52] » Council Member Dugan. Oh, council member
[2:09:52] Young's first.
[2:09:52] >> Oh, sorry, Council Member Young, then
[2:09:54] » Oh, sorry, Council Member Young, then
[2:09:54] Council Member Dugan. Sorry.
[2:09:56] >> Thank you. Um, so I appreciate the
[2:10:00] » Thank you. Um, so I appreciate the
[2:10:00] concerns related to like the fine
[2:10:02] structure. I'll also say that at least
[2:10:04] in what I've witnessed um in being on
[2:10:07] ride alongs and even in just like my
[2:10:09] day-to-day interactions across the city
[2:10:12] um that I see our Salt Lake City police
[2:10:15] officers um trying everything in their
[2:10:19] power before leaning into that
[2:10:22] particular citation. Um, and I do want
[2:10:25] to make sure that we have a balance to
[2:10:27] your point of like recognizing the
[2:10:29] humanity and meeting people where they
[2:10:30] are and fostering those relationships,
[2:10:32] but also empowering, you know, our our
[2:10:36] safety officials to be able to have, you
[2:10:39] know, the tools in their tool belt to be
[2:10:41] able to address folks who, you know, may
[2:10:44] be like, what are you going to do about
[2:10:45] it, you know? And so, like, I think
[2:10:47] that's that's at least the balance and
[2:10:49] and I'm sure it's something we can
[2:10:50] continue to, you know, work towards. Um,
[2:10:53] but I do want to make sure that that
[2:10:55] that piece is available. And I have
[2:10:57] personally witnessed our officers, you
[2:11:00] know, don't lead with that. Um, in any
[2:11:03] of my experiences or interactions um,
[2:11:05] and if anything, it's it's truly like
[2:11:07] one of the more last resort type
[2:11:09] components um, in that. A couple of
[2:11:13] other pieces. Um, I will also say that I
[2:11:17] um cuz our public doesn't always get to
[2:11:20] see like all of the individual responses
[2:11:23] and communication and I just have to
[2:11:27] thank you. Um you have been incredible.
[2:11:29] Not just responding to individuals um
[2:11:32] who are elected officials, but you know
[2:11:35] responding to individual residents who
[2:11:38] have had concerns or expressed um you
[2:11:41] know a lack of safety within the city
[2:11:43] and that that comes from from you. Um
[2:11:46] and that you are oftent times you know
[2:11:48] the first point of outreach um related
[2:11:51] to some of those issues, questions and
[2:11:53] concerns. Um, and I know that they said
[2:11:55] this to us when the mayor brought you
[2:11:57] forward for this position. Um, but it's
[2:12:00] just with full assurance that you truly
[2:12:02] walk the walk. Um, related to making
[2:12:05] sure that you are demonstrating what the
[2:12:08] expectation is in terms of community
[2:12:10] building and creating a safe environment
[2:12:12] in the city and that we see that playing
[2:12:14] out across the department. And I just
[2:12:16] want to make sure that you're thanked
[2:12:18] for those efforts. Um I know we have a
[2:12:20] ways to go related to continuing to
[2:12:22] address that. Um but it is not lost on
[2:12:25] me that um you have not only taken this
[2:12:29] on as as your day job but your night
[2:12:31] job, your weekend job and your holiday
[2:12:33] job as well. Um in terms of your
[2:12:35] willingness to always be available to
[2:12:38] respond to needs as they emerge across
[2:12:40] the city. when we look at the overall
[2:12:43] safety and the issues, I guess my one
[2:12:45] request to you would be I appreciate the
[2:12:48] highlight of the progress we've made in
[2:12:50] the data and what that looks like. Um,
[2:12:53] as we start to move into the budgetary
[2:12:56] space, it's helpful for us to know like
[2:12:59] what the what the key, you know, needs
[2:13:02] are related to being able to address
[2:13:05] where we've seen some of those gaps in
[2:13:07] the system that you identified as part
[2:13:09] of the experience with the connect list
[2:13:11] and justice court. Knowing about where
[2:13:14] those issues are, whether they're policy
[2:13:15] or resource-based, I think is helpful
[2:13:17] for this council to be able to then, you
[2:13:20] know, consider that as part of the
[2:13:22] prioritization moving forward. And I
[2:13:24] just want to make sure that the door is
[2:13:26] open as we move forward in this process
[2:13:28] and in this space. Um, last but not
[2:13:31] least, I know that you have along with
[2:13:33] the mayor have spent time um, with the
[2:13:35] legislature in terms of also being able
[2:13:38] to address some of the issues we saw um,
[2:13:41] you know, right right on the heels of
[2:13:43] when you were um, kind of brought into
[2:13:45] the community of Salt Lake City. And I'm
[2:13:48] very grateful. I hear nothing but praise
[2:13:50] and appreciation for um the leadership
[2:13:53] that you show and the partnership that
[2:13:55] you both show related to being able to
[2:13:57] achieve what everyone wants which is a
[2:13:59] safe capital city and experience. Um so
[2:14:01] thank you for representing us so well. I
[2:14:03] appreciate it.
[2:14:04] >> Thank you council member
[2:14:06] » Thank you council member
[2:14:06] >> council member Dugan.
[2:14:08] » council member Dugan.
[2:14:08] >> Thank you chief uh appreciate the
[2:14:10] » Thank you chief uh appreciate the
[2:14:10] presentation. My question is on the uh
[2:14:13] slide of the Texas uh University of
[2:14:15] Texas findings.
[2:14:17] >> Yes. and the homeless individuals are
[2:14:19] » Yes. and the homeless individuals are
[2:14:19] much more high risk of for violent
[2:14:21] victimization often by other homeless
[2:14:23] individuals. Do we are we seeing that
[2:14:25] around the uh shelters or just out on
[2:14:27] the streets and are we seeing it in the
[2:14:29] shelters? Cuz my concern is that you
[2:14:31] know our shelters and the homeless
[2:14:33] population and the resources are not in
[2:14:36] one location. But then if you were to
[2:14:38] expand this to a large campus, would you
[2:14:41] be seeing more of that uh violent
[2:14:45] interaction because they're all together
[2:14:47] in one space or or how would that how
[2:14:50] does that play out? And [clears throat]
[2:14:52] yeah, I mean those are some of the
[2:14:53] concerns and and yes, we will see um we
[2:14:57] will see around the shelters uh these
[2:14:59] calls for service sometimes in the
[2:15:01] shelters and we have homeless resource
[2:15:02] center squads that work closely with the
[2:15:04] shelters and and we're we're in constant
[2:15:06] communication with the road home with
[2:15:08] the Gail Miller Center with you know the
[2:15:10] King Center. So we yes um we we find
[2:15:14] them in the hot spots that you saw on
[2:15:16] the on the on the heat map today and and
[2:15:19] this is really why uh it's so critical
[2:15:22] that we don't have encampments form
[2:15:24] because as soon as the encampments form
[2:15:25] the predators show up and when the
[2:15:27] predators show up the victimization
[2:15:29] occurs but we do have to set
[2:15:31] expectations in these shelters. We also
[2:15:33] have to be mindful that people are
[2:15:35] battling addiction criminogenic
[2:15:37] behaviors. I mean, I saw this when I was
[2:15:38] working in the prison, right? You put
[2:15:40] them all in the prison and and it's
[2:15:42] challenging. So, the way that we execute
[2:15:44] in our shelters, uh, and and how we help
[2:15:48] individuals and hold it's always that
[2:15:50] balance with of of accountability,
[2:15:52] setting expectations, and then providing
[2:15:54] the supports that they need to overcome
[2:15:56] like, you know, a lot of these
[2:15:57] individuals that that you encountered in
[2:15:59] the prison. I mean, they grew up in
[2:16:01] terrible situations and probably never
[2:16:02] had a chance from day one. They have to
[2:16:04] learn new behaviors. And so I think it's
[2:16:06] incumbent upon the system, all of us to
[2:16:09] hold people accountable, set
[2:16:11] expectations, but then also, you know,
[2:16:14] support them and give them the tools
[2:16:15] that they need. It might be overcoming
[2:16:17] addiction. It might be overcoming some
[2:16:20] mental health challenges. It might be
[2:16:21] overcoming their criminogenic behaviors.
[2:16:23] And so we just all have to be
[2:16:25] coordinated. And that's what's so
[2:16:26] awesome about the connect is that's what
[2:16:28] we're trying to do is we're trying to
[2:16:30] get to the underlying issues so that we
[2:16:32] don't keep having the victimization.
[2:16:34] >> Okay. Thank you. Because I'm just I'm
[2:16:35] » Okay. Thank you. Because I'm just I'm
[2:16:35] just looking at the design. I have one
[2:16:37] other question. The design of the you
[2:16:38] know a campus with it congregate care
[2:16:40] and congregate care. You know that the
[2:16:42] safety of an individual sitting on a c
[2:16:44] you know in a bunk room isn't safe until
[2:16:46] they don't sleep. But you know it's also
[2:16:48] less expensive than congre with a room
[2:16:51] in a lock. But it's also safe for them
[2:16:53] because they can also actually sleep and
[2:16:55] get their circadian rhythms back in
[2:16:57] their mind probably set. So I'm just I'm
[2:17:00] I asked that question because I'm trying
[2:17:02] to
[2:17:03] make sure that we're not creating a
[2:17:05] bigger problem by one
[2:17:07] >> with a wrong solution
[2:17:09] » with a wrong solution
[2:17:09] problem. Yeah. I mean those are
[2:17:10] definitely concerns that we should all
[2:17:12] be thinking about
[2:17:13] >> that. You know, it was interesting back
[2:17:16] » that. You know, it was interesting back
[2:17:16] when the road home was in downtown that,
[2:17:19] you know, we were directed at the time
[2:17:21] from at the Department of Public Safety
[2:17:22] to go do some policing inside the
[2:17:24] shelter and there were concerns that,
[2:17:26] well, this is going to keep people from
[2:17:27] coming to the shelters. So, we actually
[2:17:29] did listening session with the people
[2:17:31] that were using the shelter. We had a
[2:17:33] community meeting there and we said,
[2:17:36] "What do you think about this?" And they
[2:17:38] said, "We want you there. We're getting
[2:17:39] our stuff stolen. we're getting, you
[2:17:42] know, we're trying to overcome our
[2:17:43] addictions and drugs are available
[2:17:44] inside. So, you know, setting
[2:17:47] expectations and accountability help
[2:17:49] these individuals um succeed as well.
[2:17:52] So, accountability is compassion at the
[2:17:54] end of the day. It's just how it's
[2:17:56] delivered and it has to be delivered in
[2:17:58] the right way. We have to care for these
[2:18:00] people
[2:18:01] >> as we do this. Thank you. I just have
[2:18:03] » as we do this. Thank you. I just have
[2:18:03] one more question, Mr. Sure. And that's
[2:18:06] uh kind of switching gears here in
[2:18:09] subject is we've had a lot of uh emails
[2:18:12] and calls about the license plate
[2:18:13] readers. Can you give us an update on
[2:18:15] that? And we had a great uh staff report
[2:18:18] probably from you through Michael and
[2:18:20] that was wonderful to to read through
[2:18:22] that. But could you kind of like a walk
[2:18:24] us through license plate readers and uh
[2:18:27] what we can do, what we can't do and
[2:18:29] who's involved.
[2:18:30] >> Yeah, absolutely. So the we are working
[2:18:33] » Yeah, absolutely. So the we are working
[2:18:33] on developing our real-time crime
[2:18:35] center. These are these centers have
[2:18:37] have come up in cities all over the
[2:18:39] country. San Francisco has a an active
[2:18:41] real-time crime center. Las Vegas,
[2:18:42] Seattle, um Phoenix, Mesa, Arizona. So
[2:18:49] there's, I think, some misconceptions
[2:18:50] about what a real-time crime center is.
[2:18:53] And and it is the utilization of of
[2:18:55] cameras and license plate readers. Um,
[2:18:59] and there will also be drones that can
[2:19:01] be deployed um, in in response to calls
[2:19:04] for service. I think the most important
[2:19:06] point to to to a couple important
[2:19:08] points. One, the city's had license
[2:19:10] plate readers for a while. The police
[2:19:12] department has utilized them. They're
[2:19:14] only they're they're governed by state
[2:19:16] statute. State statute governs when a
[2:19:19] license plate reader could be accessed.
[2:19:20] There has to be a a a crime. There has
[2:19:23] to be a reasonable suspicion of a crime
[2:19:25] and these things are tracked and
[2:19:26] audited. So, I think those are important
[2:19:28] points. Um, our real-time crime center
[2:19:32] uh is is going to be utilized for active
[2:19:35] priority one and priority 2 calls. And I
[2:19:38] have a I have a sheet here, but uh and I
[2:19:41] can and I can just kind of talk about a
[2:19:42] robbery call as an example. Okay, so a
[2:19:44] robbery call comes in, the real-time
[2:19:46] crime center here hears the call and
[2:19:48] begins accessing the camera in the area
[2:19:50] of the robbery. Um, we're not doing
[2:19:54] this. We're we're testing this, but
[2:19:55] we're not doing it yet. Drones can
[2:19:57] deploy to the area. I have an officer to
[2:20:00] get an overview of what's happening in
[2:20:02] the area. Officers are updated with the
[2:20:04] information as they're responding. This
[2:20:06] can reduce safet this this can improve
[2:20:08] the safety of the officers and the
[2:20:10] community because they're having they
[2:20:12] have real-time information as they're
[2:20:13] approaching. Um, if if a car is
[2:20:17] identified or a plate is identified as
[2:20:20] the as as it leaves the area, it could
[2:20:22] be it could be it could be followed by
[2:20:24] the drone as officers are getting to the
[2:20:26] area. A license plate reader may pick it
[2:20:28] up in in the city. I think that and then
[2:20:31] it just it's just we have access to all
[2:20:33] of these things now. It's just done more
[2:20:35] quickly and in real time so that we can
[2:20:37] resolve the the issue more quickly.
[2:20:40] Drones can be used and they have been
[2:20:42] used when there was a fire up in the
[2:20:44] hills. We can get a drone there before
[2:20:45] officers and fire get there to get an
[2:20:47] overview or we need to protect people.
[2:20:49] We can stop, you know, kidnapping
[2:20:51] suspects and things like that. The key
[2:20:54] is it's used only activated on priority
[2:20:56] one or two calls. It can be utilized to
[2:20:59] assist when a crime has already
[2:21:00] occurred. we can go back and look if a
[2:21:02] murder occurs and we didn't resolve it
[2:21:04] right there on the spot. We didn't get
[2:21:05] the person, we can utilize some some of
[2:21:08] that which we already do and have been
[2:21:09] doing for years. Uh and then go ahead,
[2:21:13] council member.
[2:21:14] >> Well, I was just going to say what a
[2:21:16] » Well, I was just going to say what a
[2:21:16] crime what what what it is what a crime
[2:21:18] realtime crime center is not. I think
[2:21:19] it's important to understand that the
[2:21:21] cameras are not constantly monitored.
[2:21:23] The LPR are not constantly monitored.
[2:21:27] Um,
[2:21:28] there's no ability to integrate facial
[2:21:30] recognition into our real-time crime
[2:21:32] center. There's not going to be any
[2:21:33] facial recognition. That's also governed
[2:21:35] by state statute and it's very limited
[2:21:37] in its use in Utah. It's and the
[2:21:40] Department of Public Safety oversees
[2:21:41] facial recognition in Utah. Um,
[2:21:45] and drones are not going to be just
[2:21:47] flying around the city patrolling and
[2:21:49] going over property. There's there's
[2:21:51] there's there's tracking of the drones,
[2:21:53] camera angles, and that's all publicly
[2:21:55] available on on our website when we're
[2:21:57] we're done setting this thing up. So, um
[2:21:59] I hope that's helpful. I don't know if
[2:22:00] there's additional questions.
[2:22:01] >> Yeah, Lopez Chavez, go ahead.
[2:22:03] » Yeah, Lopez Chavez, go ahead.
[2:22:03] >> Thank you. Um I just wanted to reiterate
[2:22:05] » Thank you. Um I just wanted to reiterate
[2:22:05] the concerns I've been receiving and uh
[2:22:08] I wanted to clarify. So, I'm going to
[2:22:10] ask a few different questions, but can
[2:22:12] you clarify if Salt Lake City is in a
[2:22:14] contract today with Flock Technologies?
[2:22:17] >> No, we're not.
[2:22:18] » No, we're not.
[2:22:18] >> Thank you for clarifying. Can you
[2:22:20] » Thank you for clarifying. Can you
[2:22:20] >> We don't have any plans to to do
[2:22:21] » We don't have any plans to to do
[2:22:21] anything with Flock right now.
[2:22:24] >> We're we're with the We We don't use
[2:22:26] » We're we're with the We We don't use
[2:22:26] their LPRs.
[2:22:27] >> Yeah. Thank you for clarifying the
[2:22:29] » Yeah. Thank you for clarifying the
[2:22:29] record. Can you help me understand if we
[2:22:32] currently contract or provide any of our
[2:22:34] data repository with federal agencies
[2:22:36] such as ICE Enforcement?
[2:22:37] >> We do not uh share with ICE. Um we can
[2:22:41] » We do not uh share with ICE. Um we can
[2:22:41] share with other federal agencies like
[2:22:43] the DEA or uh the FBI, but we're not
[2:22:46] sharing with ICE right now. Thank you
[2:22:48] for clarifying that, Chief. And then can
[2:22:50] you help me understand uh part of this
[2:22:52] is a cops grant. It's a federal grant.
[2:22:54] Um I know that we already have different
[2:22:57] license plate readers. Can you help me
[2:22:59] understand what made us want to position
[2:23:01] these ones specifically in the Northwest
[2:23:03] entry? Um specifically, there was some
[2:23:05] concerns about the geography possibility
[2:23:08] of over policing in these areas. Can you
[2:23:10] help me understand the locations and how
[2:23:12] that was decided? Yeah, I mean there
[2:23:15] locations that uh where where cars come
[2:23:17] in and out of the city. So that's that's
[2:23:19] one of the reasons, you know, when a
[2:23:21] crime occurs in Salt Lake City, one of
[2:23:22] the first things people typically do is
[2:23:24] get out of the city. And so that's what
[2:23:28] how some of the location is determined.
[2:23:30] Um that that's you know, we we try to
[2:23:32] set them up so that we have a good uh
[2:23:35] the ability to, you know, to track
[2:23:37] people coming in and out of the city or
[2:23:38] or or whatever. I mean that's you know
[2:23:40] we try to get abroad across the whole
[2:23:42] city
[2:23:43] >> and you know a lot of the concerns have
[2:23:45] » and you know a lot of the concerns have
[2:23:45] come from mass surveillance and what
[2:23:46] does that look like for municipalities
[2:23:48] to start to engage in surveillance
[2:23:50] policies. I know that Salt Lake City and
[2:23:52] just looking at our policies
[2:23:54] surveillance is something that we are
[2:23:56] still new to actually
[2:23:58] >> um and even though it's defined by state
[2:23:59] » um and even though it's defined by state
[2:23:59] code I'm really interested in having a
[2:24:01] conversation about providing those
[2:24:03] safeguards if we're going to keep
[2:24:04] installing and growing this type of
[2:24:06] infrastructure. I think a lot of the
[2:24:08] concerns that I'm hearing from community
[2:24:10] members is not only is there immense
[2:24:11] distrust uh still of certain departments
[2:24:14] and practices and surveillance, but
[2:24:16] making sure that they still have
[2:24:18] personal liberties and rights to to
[2:24:20] privacy. And I'd love to have that
[2:24:22] discussion both with you and with the
[2:24:24] community members. um a lot of them
[2:24:26] today are they they see this as
[2:24:28] oversight and over governance and I'd
[2:24:30] love to hear from your perspective how
[2:24:32] your department is looking to both
[2:24:35] respect those private policies um and
[2:24:38] conduct this in a way where we may not
[2:24:40] need an officer but we are using a
[2:24:42] technology as to not deter the use of an
[2:24:45] officer.
[2:24:46] >> Yeah. Well, I think when when we we had
[2:24:49] » Yeah. Well, I think when when we we had
[2:24:49] our budget uh med [clears throat] uh
[2:24:52] session and and you all gave us the um
[2:24:55] charge to go and work with the racial
[2:24:58] equity policing commission uh on privacy
[2:25:01] civil liberty concerns and so we have
[2:25:03] been we have met with them. I've
[2:25:04] referenced uh I mean we've talked with
[2:25:06] them about that. But we've what I told
[2:25:09] the the commission is that we're working
[2:25:10] with the ACLU and we've been work we've
[2:25:12] had we've had a couple meetings uh at
[2:25:15] least two meetings with the ACLU since
[2:25:17] July
[2:25:18] and uh and we do we've we we're starting
[2:25:21] to kind of I have a I have a one page
[2:25:24] here where we're trying to start to
[2:25:26] articulate what the real-time crime
[2:25:28] center is, how it is to be used, how it
[2:25:29] isn't to be used. Again, a lot of these
[2:25:31] technologies we've had in the city for a
[2:25:34] number of years. Um, we do need, but I
[2:25:37] agree. We need to make sure the city,
[2:25:39] the community feels comfortable. They
[2:25:41] have some some visibility into what
[2:25:43] we're doing. They need to be they need
[2:25:44] to have confidence that we're utilizing
[2:25:46] the technology properly. Um, I've had
[2:25:48] experience at the Department of Public
[2:25:49] Safety um
[2:25:52] dealing with the facial recognition when
[2:25:53] that was a big issue a few years ago and
[2:25:55] I think we got it into a good place
[2:25:57] where people are confident how it's used
[2:25:59] and that it's used properly. So, I would
[2:26:01] be open to um meeting with any community
[2:26:04] members who have concerns, uh sitting
[2:26:06] down with them, hearing them out, and
[2:26:08] and making sure we have those privac
[2:26:10] privacy civil liberties and people are
[2:26:12] comfortable with what we're doing. I
[2:26:13] will say, um other cities that have been
[2:26:17] utilizing their their center have been
[2:26:19] have been solving crime, you know, and
[2:26:22] and doing it in a way that I think is um
[2:26:25] that I think our our city would be I
[2:26:27] think our residents would be good with.
[2:26:29] We need to we need to make sure everyone
[2:26:30] feels comfortable with that. And so I'd
[2:26:32] love to get in the rooms with those
[2:26:33] people.
[2:26:34] >> Yeah, I I love this idea of alternative
[2:26:36] » Yeah, I I love this idea of alternative
[2:26:36] policing and I think technology can help
[2:26:38] and I think it it can also create more
[2:26:41] uh contradictions within those policies
[2:26:43] and so clearly defining that is good. My
[2:26:45] final question was just making sure that
[2:26:47] the vendor that we're working with can't
[2:26:48] sell our data to Flock or any other
[2:26:50] entity can't sell our data to other um
[2:26:54] agencies. Uh this is still a matter of
[2:26:57] privacy and we see a lot of overreach in
[2:26:59] governance. I I wanted to understand
[2:27:01] would SLCPD own that data um or would
[2:27:04] this be something that could be
[2:27:05] extrapolated and used to harm residents?
[2:27:07] >> No, we've been working on that and it
[2:27:09] » No, we've been working on that and it
[2:27:09] will be it will be our data we control
[2:27:12] the the distribution of that data.
[2:27:14] >> Okay. Um we still have questions from
[2:27:16] » Okay. Um we still have questions from
[2:27:16] Council Member Young and Council Member
[2:27:17] Petro. Um I have a quick question and
[2:27:20] we're about 10 minutes over so please um
[2:27:24] keep that in mind when you're asking
[2:27:25] your questions.
[2:27:26] >> Well there uh Chief Redd so last week
[2:27:28] » Well there uh Chief Redd so last week
[2:27:28] there was an Amber Alert. These types of
[2:27:31] systems and solutions help us to find
[2:27:33] kids in those like very dangerous
[2:27:35] situations faster um hopefully leading
[2:27:37] to a more positive resolution.
[2:27:40] >> Yeah. So if an Amber Alert were to go
[2:27:41] » Yeah. So if an Amber Alert were to go
[2:27:41] out and there's any nexus to Salt Lake
[2:27:43] City potentially, we would we would
[2:27:45] access the information to see if that
[2:27:47] particular license plate had hit one of
[2:27:49] our our readers. Yes, we would do that
[2:27:51] and we have been doing that actually.
[2:27:53] >> Thank you so much,
[2:27:54] » Thank you so much,
[2:27:54] >> Council Member Pedro.
[2:27:57] » Council Member Pedro.
[2:27:57] >> Um I agree that technology and enhancing
[2:28:01] » Um I agree that technology and enhancing
[2:28:01] our ability to provide access to
[2:28:04] un unfettered justice for our people is
[2:28:08] is in our best interest. Um, and I'm
[2:28:10] willing to work as hard as we need to to
[2:28:12] get to policies that get us to how we
[2:28:14] responsibly engage them. Um, you said
[2:28:17] we're not currently working and and
[2:28:18] there's one federal agency that I don't
[2:28:20] agree with that I think actually is a
[2:28:22] constitutional violation and that
[2:28:23] disproportionately is hurting my my
[2:28:27] neighborhood. So, I'm going to
[2:28:28] unabashedly speak right now. We are not
[2:28:31] complying with ICE or their terror
[2:28:33] tactics. Is there a way under which they
[2:28:37] would compel
[2:28:39] the surrender of any information or data
[2:28:42] that we've collected that would leave us
[2:28:45] vulnerable should we implement these
[2:28:47] things in enhanced area near where my
[2:28:49] neighbors are?
[2:28:50] >> Uh not that I'm I mean not that I'm
[2:28:51] » Uh not that I'm I mean not that I'm
[2:28:51] aware of. Again um we cooperate with law
[2:28:56] enforcement agencies on
[2:28:59] issues around crime. If there's violent
[2:29:01] crime, um, that's who we're going to
[2:29:04] cooperate. We're going to we're going to
[2:29:05] we're going to criminal.
[2:29:06] >> So, we can specify violent crime. We
[2:29:09] » So, we can specify violent crime. We
[2:29:09] don't do civil infractions like,
[2:29:11] >> right? We can Yeah, we can set it up.
[2:29:13] » right? We can Yeah, we can set it up.
[2:29:13] Um, and when you access criminal justice
[2:29:15] datab databases, you typically are doing
[2:29:17] that when there's a a crime. So, we can
[2:29:19] set it up in that way. Mhm.
[2:29:21] [clears throat]
[2:29:21] >> Is there a possibility a state law would
[2:29:22] » Is there a possibility a state law would
[2:29:22] ever supersede our ability to retain the
[2:29:25] independence to protect that data in
[2:29:27] perpetuity should we decide to implement
[2:29:29] mo
[2:29:29] >> most of the criminal justice data uh
[2:29:33] » most of the criminal justice data uh
[2:29:33] sharing is governed by the FBI criminal
[2:29:37] justice information services um and
[2:29:39] that's kind of what we we follow. So,
[2:29:43] um, I don't
[2:29:46] I don't think the state can go too much
[2:29:47] outside of what what what is set up and
[2:29:50] what's been set up for years and years
[2:29:51] through sieges, FBI's sieges.
[2:29:53] >> I have to reiterate to our force, I
[2:29:55] » I have to reiterate to our force, I
[2:29:55] believe in what we are building here. I
[2:29:56] believe in your leadership and I am
[2:29:58] proud of what we're doing. I am not
[2:30:00] interested in us playing culture war
[2:30:02] games and penalizing the people who are
[2:30:04] in my neighborhood for the sake of some
[2:30:06] voting points that can't be made without
[2:30:08] causing people to live in fear. So,
[2:30:10] that's where I will be drawing my line.
[2:30:11] consistently on this issue and should we
[2:30:14] get to a place where we no longer can
[2:30:16] assure that that data is being used, I
[2:30:18] will actively push for deactivation of
[2:30:20] anything we put into place um because I
[2:30:23] just won't I'm not going to play these
[2:30:25] games.
[2:30:26] >> We'll we'll work we'll continue to work
[2:30:28] » We'll we'll work we'll continue to work
[2:30:28] closely with all of you to ensure that
[2:30:30] you're informed on what we're doing and
[2:30:32] how we're doing it so you can be your
[2:30:34] constituency can become
[2:30:35] >> this is not about our people. I love you
[2:30:36] » this is not about our people. I love you
[2:30:36] all.
[2:30:38] >> Yeah.
[2:30:40] » Yeah.
[2:30:40] Oh, well, thanks very much, Chief. I
[2:30:43] just wanted to you you referenced the
[2:30:45] racial equity and policing commission.
[2:30:47] Um, and we also have a human rights
[2:30:50] commission. We also have a police
[2:30:51] civilian review board. And these things
[2:30:54] that these issues that we're struggling
[2:30:56] with and talking about today with the
[2:30:58] license plates and um with um with
[2:31:02] working with other agencies, I mean,
[2:31:04] these are like debates that have that
[2:31:06] are older than this country. And I think
[2:31:10] there's no end. There's no final answer.
[2:31:13] Um it's a conversation. And as far as I
[2:31:16] know, I I don't know of other cities
[2:31:18] that any other city in Utah that has
[2:31:21] like a racial equity and policing
[2:31:22] commission. Um I don't know that many
[2:31:25] other cities have like a human rights
[2:31:27] commission. So I I say that to that, you
[2:31:31] know, we have these groups of residents
[2:31:32] that are, you know, just volunteers like
[2:31:36] and members of our community that are
[2:31:41] um tasked with going out and talking to
[2:31:44] police, talking to the ACLU, talking to
[2:31:46] people in our community. Um and I just
[2:31:49] appreciate the department's openness.
[2:31:52] Um, I can say from someone that that
[2:31:55] served on the Human Rights Commission
[2:31:56] that I have seen a huge difference in
[2:32:01] the amount of information sharing um
[2:32:04] that our department has has shared with
[2:32:07] those groups and shared with the public
[2:32:08] just in the time that I've been involved
[2:32:11] um and a willingness to address the
[2:32:14] concerns that my community, the LGBTQ
[2:32:17] community has had with policing over the
[2:32:19] years. So, I hope we can continue down
[2:32:22] that positive path. Um, and um I want
[2:32:27] all of these concerns that my colleagues
[2:32:28] are are raising and that our communities
[2:32:30] are raising to be part of that ongoing
[2:32:33] conversation.
[2:32:34] >> Absolutely. We'll we'll do that. And and
[2:32:36] » Absolutely. We'll we'll do that. And and
[2:32:36] I would just ask if if you have
[2:32:38] constituents that you know need want to
[2:32:41] meet with us, please just let us know so
[2:32:43] we can we can sit down and and talk to
[2:32:45] them and understand their their
[2:32:46] perspective.
[2:32:47] >> Thanks so much. I appreciate it. Um,
[2:32:50] » Thanks so much. I appreciate it. Um,
[2:32:50] Jennifer,
[2:32:51] >> sorry, just wanted to clarify for the
[2:32:53] » sorry, just wanted to clarify for the
[2:32:53] record because it wasn't we we didn't
[2:32:55] necessarily notice the work session to
[2:32:57] talk about license plate readers, but I
[2:32:59] appreciate the chief's willingness to
[2:33:00] respond in real time to feedback we're
[2:33:02] getting. It is on your guys's agenda
[2:33:05] during the formal meeting as part of the
[2:33:06] budget amendment number three public
[2:33:08] hearing. Um there will be a motion sheet
[2:33:10] option where if you need more time to
[2:33:12] consider the issue and um receive
[2:33:14] feedback, you can adopt um some but not
[2:33:17] all of the budget amendment or you could
[2:33:18] consider adopting tonight. Um the next
[2:33:21] meeting is obviously in January. There
[2:33:22] is a little bit of a a time crunch
[2:33:25] [clears throat] with which to spend the
[2:33:27] grant money. So um I think the
[2:33:28] administration's hopeful that you'll
[2:33:31] consider it sooner rather than later.
[2:33:32] The other two items on the budget
[2:33:34] amendment are more timesensitive from a
[2:33:36] a spending grant money perspective. So,
[2:33:39] um, just for your consideration at the
[2:33:40] formal meeting.
[2:33:42] >> Thank you. Yes, council app.
[2:33:44] » Thank you. Yes, council app.
[2:33:44] >> Is there ever a way to approve something
[2:33:45] » Is there ever a way to approve something
[2:33:46] with a contingency that if it was used
[2:33:48] in a particular way, we can decommission
[2:33:50] like a a trigger?
[2:33:53] >> I guess from a from a um procedural
[2:33:57] » I guess from a from a um procedural
[2:33:57] standpoint, it would be hard to unspend
[2:33:59] the money, right? So, I don't
[2:34:00] >> I'm not looking I don't even need a
[2:34:02] » I'm not looking I don't even need a
[2:34:02] refund. What I need is for the work to
[2:34:05] cease.
[2:34:06] >> Got it. Okay. Well, we could we could
[2:34:07] » Got it. Okay. Well, we could we could
[2:34:08] chat with the attorney's office um in
[2:34:10] the meantime and see if that's something
[2:34:12] we can consider just to provide some
[2:34:14] predictability for the future.
[2:34:16] >> If I may if I may, Mr. Chair.
[2:34:18] » If I may if I may, Mr. Chair.
[2:34:18] >> Yes, please.
[2:34:19] » Yes, please.
[2:34:19] >> I I'd like to leave this with you. It
[2:34:20] » I I'd like to leave this with you. It
[2:34:20] might be helpful as you go into your
[2:34:22] session tonight if that's okay.
[2:34:24] >> Thank you. Um all right, let's move on
[2:34:28] » Thank you. Um all right, let's move on
[2:34:28] to agenda item number. Um, so five is a
[2:34:32] written briefing, but just um for the
[2:34:34] benefit of anyone listening, it's about
[2:34:36] enacting temporary zoning regulations
[2:34:38] for the VA Youth Resource Center. Um,
[2:34:41] the next is a board appointment to the
[2:34:44] Historic Landmark Commission for Mark
[2:34:46] McGrath. And I know Mark is here. Yes.
[2:34:50] Uh, just give us one second. Well, come
[2:34:52] on down. Come on down.
[2:35:02] So, please have a seat. Um, make sure
[2:35:04] that that you turn the microphone on and
[2:35:06] that the green light is on. And this is
[2:35:09] your opportunity to just tell us a
[2:35:11] little bit about yourself and your
[2:35:12] background and why you're interested in
[2:35:15] serving on the Historic Landmarks
[2:35:17] Commission.
[2:35:18] >> Okay. Well, uh, first of all, my
[2:35:20] » Okay. Well, uh, first of all, my
[2:35:20] background. Um, I just retired last
[2:35:24] month after 33 years as a city planner
[2:35:28] in a couple different communities
[2:35:30] locally here. Um, the last 25 years I
[2:35:34] spent at Taylor'sville City about 20 of
[2:35:36] those years as the community development
[2:35:38] director. So, I had my fingers on
[2:35:40] building planning, code enforcement,
[2:35:43] engineering, uh, business licensing, you
[2:35:46] know, pretty much everything uh, that
[2:35:48] has to do with community development one
[2:35:49] way or another. Uh the last five years
[2:35:51] at Taylor'sville, I've mo primarily been
[2:35:53] focused on projects. Um we I've done a
[2:35:57] couple plans, a general plan. I I uh
[2:36:01] worked on our um station area plan for
[2:36:04] our three bus rapid transit stations in
[2:36:06] Taylor'sville. Uh I've worked on the bus
[2:36:09] rapid transit and various other projects
[2:36:11] at Taylor'sville. Um, while I was at
[2:36:14] Taylor'sville, one of the kind of the
[2:36:17] jokes in the in the local planning world
[2:36:20] was that Taylor'sville had become the
[2:36:22] minor leagues for uh Salt Lake City. Uh,
[2:36:25] I'm proud to say that I hired Nick
[2:36:28] Norris uh right out of college. Gave him
[2:36:30] his first job at Taylorville City, as
[2:36:32] you may be aware. He's really made a
[2:36:34] name for himself in this business. Um,
[2:36:36] Michael Malloy, who used to work here in
[2:36:38] the planning department, uh, gave him
[2:36:40] his first job. and uh Amanda Roman also
[2:36:43] came through Taylorville and Angela
[2:36:44] Price. So I I think it's a well-deserved
[2:36:47] honor. Uh
[2:36:50] um prior to Taylor'sville, I worked for
[2:36:54] Midvail for about eight years. I was
[2:36:57] involved in a lot of uh historic
[2:36:59] preservation issues there at
[2:37:00] Taylor'sville, uh much more so than at
[2:37:02] at Taylor'sville.
[2:37:04] And then I'm also a I've been a a
[2:37:07] part-time adjunct professor at the
[2:37:08] University of Utah College of
[2:37:10] Architecture and Planning for about the
[2:37:11] last 15 years. Uh I co-e a class with
[2:37:14] Michael Malloy called City and
[2:37:16] Literature where we study uh urban
[2:37:18] planning classics uh classic books. Um
[2:37:21] so that's that's pretty much my
[2:37:22] professional background. Um
[2:37:26] as I as I mentioned, I just retired. Um,
[2:37:30] and so I saw this as an opportunity to
[2:37:31] finally give back to uh my community.
[2:37:34] I've I've lived in Sugar House pretty
[2:37:36] much my entire uh well since my first
[2:37:38] house was in Sugar House and I've been
[2:37:40] in Sugar House ever since when I was in
[2:37:42] college. I lived in the avenues on
[2:37:44] Capitol Hill. Uh both of my parents are
[2:37:46] from Ta uh from Salt Lake City. Sorry if
[2:37:49] I said Taylor'sville. Uh my dad went to
[2:37:52] West, my mom went to East, and all all
[2:37:55] of my grandparents are from Salt Lake
[2:37:56] City. So, I I would, you know, have uh
[2:38:01] would very much appreciate an
[2:38:02] opportunity to give back to the city.
[2:38:04] I've been very busy on Tuesday and
[2:38:06] Thursday and Wednesday nights for the
[2:38:07] last 33 years. And so, this is really
[2:38:10] kind of my opportunity now. Uh historic
[2:38:12] preservation and community identity is
[2:38:14] something that I take very seriously and
[2:38:16] and very passionate about. Uh so, I
[2:38:20] think this this particular uh position
[2:38:23] is something that especially interests
[2:38:25] me.
[2:38:27] Great. Thank you for listing your Salt
[2:38:29] Lake City bonafides. I was just
[2:38:31] double-checking them here as you were
[2:38:33] saying. [laughter]
[2:38:36] >> All right. Uh, Council Member Young.
[2:38:38] » All right. Uh, Council Member Young.
[2:38:38] >> Well, you had me at the fact that you're
[2:38:40] » Well, you had me at the fact that you're
[2:38:40] an educator, so like that's my selling
[2:38:42] point. No, but we're definitely super
[2:38:45] fortunate to have someone with your
[2:38:46] depth of expertise who's willing to help
[2:38:49] us as the city make sure that we are
[2:38:52] making the best decisions. Um, and I
[2:38:55] actually think from some conversations
[2:38:57] like earlier today, we might have a
[2:38:59] running list of needs for um, you know,
[2:39:03] the the committee as well as yourself to
[2:39:06] be able to help us with in terms of
[2:39:08] making decisions about how we both
[2:39:10] preserve like the components of our city
[2:39:13] that are so important to our history,
[2:39:15] but also enable opportunities for more
[2:39:18] affordable housing in a way that creates
[2:39:20] balance. So anyway, just super excited
[2:39:22] to have you and thank you for being
[2:39:23] willing to contribute.
[2:39:24] >> Thank you.
[2:39:27] » Thank you.
[2:39:27] >> Any other questions?
[2:39:30] » Any other questions?
[2:39:30] >> All right. Well, so the way this works
[2:39:32] » All right. Well, so the way this works
[2:39:32] is that we will place your name on our
[2:39:35] consent agenda at our formal meeting. Um
[2:39:37] you need not be present to win, but
[2:39:39] you're welcome to join us if you would
[2:39:41] like to, but um it's just part of a
[2:39:43] slate of things that we adopt at the end
[2:39:45] of the meeting. So there won't be
[2:39:46] another speaking opportunity or anything
[2:39:48] like that and no one will be sad if you
[2:39:50] choose not to uh hang out for that.
[2:39:53] >> All right.
[2:39:54] » All right.
[2:39:54] >> Okay.
[2:39:54] » Okay.
[2:39:54] >> Thank you so much for your willingness
[2:39:56] » Thank you so much for your willingness
[2:39:56] to serve Salt Lake City.
[2:39:57] >> Thank you.
[2:39:57] » Thank you.
[2:39:58] >> Okay.
[2:40:00] » Okay.
[2:40:00] >> All right.
[2:40:02] » All right.
[2:40:02] Um the last item is our
[2:40:06] report of the chair and vice chair. Uh,
[2:40:10] I don't have any report other than to
[2:40:12] wish you all happy holidays and thanks
[2:40:14] for a great year. Um, Jen,
[2:40:17] >> I don't have anything.
[2:40:19] » I don't have anything.
[2:40:19] >> Oh, oh my gosh. C, what a surprise a
[2:40:23] » Oh, oh my gosh. C, what a surprise a
[2:40:23] surprise guest appearance from Council
[2:40:27] Member Puy.
[2:40:28] >> I've I've been paying attention. I've
[2:40:30] » I've I've been paying attention. I've
[2:40:30] been here.
[2:40:31] >> Oh, all right. Sorry, I couldn't see you
[2:40:32] » Oh, all right. Sorry, I couldn't see you
[2:40:32] on the screen, so I didn't know when you
[2:40:34] joined us, but yeah. Do you have
[2:40:36] anything else you'd like to add? No, no,
[2:40:38] no.
[2:40:38] >> Any Christmas wishes?
[2:40:41] » Any Christmas wishes?
[2:40:41] >> Okay.
[2:40:41] » Okay.
[2:40:41] >> Best wishes for everybody.
[2:40:43] » Best wishes for everybody.
[2:40:43] >> Okay. Thanks.
[2:40:45] » Okay. Thanks.
[2:40:45] >> Okay. No other announcements. So, um
[2:40:48] » Okay. No other announcements. So, um
[2:40:48] we're going to adjourn for Council
[2:40:50] Member Mono's um reception and for
[2:40:55] dinner. And we'll see everybody. Yes,
[2:40:57] that's on the fourth floor. And then
[2:40:58] we'll see everybody for our formal
[2:41:00] meeting at 7 o'clock. Thank you.