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[4:44] » of this is your go-to resource for
[4:46] staying engaged on projects across the
[4:48] city. And we encourage residents to
[4:50] follow their favorite project or visit
[4:52] regularly for ongoing opportunities to
[4:54] participate. Next slide.
[4:59] I want to give a shout out to our public
[5:01] lands team for putting on a terrific uh
[5:04] Fourth of July party July 3rd party at
[5:06] Jordan Park. The drone show was an
[5:08] overwhelming success with nearly 15,000
[5:11] residents attending this year's event,
[5:13] which is an increase of over 5,900
[5:17] residents compared to last year.
[5:19] We are grateful for council staff's help
[5:21] in supporting and promoting the event
[5:23] through their social media channels
[5:24] which helped expand awareness and
[5:27] encourage the community to participate.
[5:29] Next slide.
[5:33] The waste and recycling division is
[5:34] offering multiple free community
[5:36] recycling events throughout the rest of
[5:38] July as part of an EPA recycling grant
[5:41] program. Already passed was the bike fix
[5:44] it clinic at the Sornson and Unity
[5:46] Center, but upcoming opportunities
[5:47] include collection of hard to recycle
[5:49] mater
[5:53] on July 18th and plastic free July
[5:56] workshops at branch libraries. They've
[5:58] launched a shape SLC page supporting
[6:01] this effort. All events are listed on
[6:03] this page which is also soliciting
[6:05] community input around recycling in
[6:07] general.
[6:09] Next slide.
[6:12] The Arts Council has kicked off Mondays
[6:14] in the Park, which is a free summer
[6:15] concert series featuring traditional
[6:18] folk music and cultural dance
[6:20] performances from Utah's diverse
[6:21] communities. Since 1987, the program has
[6:25] celebrated the cultural traditions that
[6:27] enrich our state, bringing audiences
[6:29] together for evenings of live music,
[6:31] dance, and community. We encourage
[6:33] community to bring a lawn chair,
[6:34] blanket, family, and friends to enjoy
[6:36] these free outdoor performances. The
[6:38] first event was yesterday and will
[6:40] continue through August 17th at Liberty
[6:42] Park. Of course, the Arts Council is
[6:45] also busy with the Twilight Concert
[6:47] Series. The next Joe is show is July
[6:50] 17th with Freddy Gibbs and will end on
[6:52] October 1st with the war on drugs.
[6:56] Next slide.
[7:00] Uh, Love Your Block wanted to share a
[7:02] quick update. Projects from the fall
[7:05] 2025 cycle are nearly complete. A few
[7:08] highlights include
[7:10] uh the mountains and monarch uh mural
[7:13] which is a beautiful mural depicting
[7:15] mountain landscapes with monarch
[7:16] butterflies which symbolize
[7:18] transformation, resilience and hope. It
[7:20] is located on the Sornson uh unity
[7:23] center next to the entry to youth city.
[7:25] This mural was created by local muralist
[7:28] Lizzie Winganger with aid of the
[7:30] community.
[7:31] Also, the bottom photo is the Popular
[7:34] Grove precinct mural, which was brought
[7:35] to life by another local artist, Kendall
[7:37] Chafield, in collaboration with the
[7:40] Popular Grove Community Council. This is
[7:42] a new westside mural featuring peacocks
[7:44] and local wildlife along the Jordan
[7:46] River corridor. This project celebrates
[7:49] the character of Popular Grove while
[7:51] adding color and vibrancy to a highly
[7:53] visible public space. You can find this
[7:55] on the west wall of the Popular Grove
[7:58] precinct. The next round of projects
[8:00] will be announced later this month.
[8:03] Uh if there's no questions, I'll kick it
[8:05] over to Andrew.
[8:09] » Just one general question for the
[8:11] council to or the admin to look into uh
[8:14] at the next uh briefing would be in the
[8:17] springtime. We talked about the uh water
[8:20] conservation efforts that the city's
[8:22] city corporation has undertaken uh after
[8:25] the the mayor declared stage two
[8:27] drought. and then the how well the city
[8:29] itself is doing on on water
[8:31] conservations. And it would be nice to
[8:32] see uh get an update on on our efforts
[8:35] and the city side and also the city
[8:38] corporation side and also the city side.
[8:40] What's the next time?
[8:41] >> Yeah, that's a great suggestion. We can
[8:43] » Yeah, that's a great suggestion. We can
[8:43] bring that back and work on an update.
[8:44] >> Thank you.
[8:47] » Thank you.
[8:47] >> All right, council members, you can see
[8:49] » All right, council members, you can see
[8:49] on the screen uh in June we were
[8:51] functionally full of the homeless
[8:52] resource centers. I say that because the
[8:54] numbers look funky right now. uh
[8:56] generally when we have a decrease in the
[8:59] official beds, but they're overfilled.
[9:00] You get a 130% capacity kind of issues.
[9:03] So, it looks weird. Um just know that
[9:05] they are full, including all of the um
[9:08] the West Valley ones and the North
[9:10] Temple uh beds we've had for a while.
[9:11] And there'll be a lot of transition in
[9:13] those beds going forward with the plan
[9:15] being for the West Valley shelter become
[9:17] full-time, which it hasn't officially
[9:18] been to this point, and the North Temple
[9:20] one of 1990 transitioning to housing
[9:23] over the next year. Uh, plus the other
[9:26] piece here is the encampment impact
[9:28] mitigation work and rapid response team
[9:29] work. Again, they've done a great job of
[9:31] catching up on all of their requests.
[9:33] And so really, they can probably get to
[9:36] requests within a day or two. Um, so
[9:38] they're taking uh have a weekly uh
[9:40] scheduling meeting. They're looking at
[9:42] where they think they need to go, but
[9:43] they're also taking everything that
[9:44] comes in every day and trying to get to
[9:45] it as soon as possible. So we highly
[9:46] recommend folks use my SLC app to report
[9:49] issues and concerns and requests for
[9:51] service. Any questions on that?
[9:55] Next slide.
[9:59] » On the micro shelters, the I know we got
[10:02] uh the office of homeless services got
[10:04] some funding back in June, July sometime
[10:09] to continue on the the building of the
[10:11] new buildings are what's the status on
[10:15] those and and move and maybe possible
[10:16] move in dates for new uh residents.
[10:20] So uh the state office of homeless
[10:22] services opened uh on that site 50 beds
[10:25] uh two years ago now almost we're
[10:27] looking at and they had begun
[10:29] construction on the second phase of an
[10:30] additional 50 beds at that location. Uh
[10:33] they halted construction temporarily uh
[10:35] pending new funding which they did get
[10:37] to what your point was and I believe
[10:38] they've rec restarted construction on
[10:40] the second phase. I don't have an EA um
[10:42] estimated time of opening those but I
[10:44] can get that back for you.
[10:45] >> Great. Thank you.
[10:48] » Great. Thank you.
[10:48] uh resource fairs. There was one on the
[10:50] 12th of Library Square. If you've been
[10:52] here on those Fridays, you'll notice it
[10:53] looks a little bit like uh the arts
[10:56] festival in Miniature. Uh there's uh
[10:58] upwards of 40 plus booths. There's
[11:00] hundreds of people there. Um it's really
[11:02] a big big deal. So, I recommend if you
[11:04] can get out to those um it's well worth
[11:06] your time. At the last one, we had 22
[11:09] housing applications completed with the
[11:11] Housing Authority of Salt Lake County,
[11:13] which is or Salt Lake City Skinny,
[11:15] excuse me. Um and 41 people were seen by
[11:18] the justice court and that includes 124
[11:20] cases heard on site. Uh four um donated
[11:24] dental evaluations and extractions. You
[11:26] can see the haircuts, vaccinations by
[11:27] the county health department. Um really
[11:30] beneficial uh work being done there. The
[11:32] next resource fair will be on the 17th,
[11:35] same location at Library Square, and
[11:36] this time it'll be co-hosted by the
[11:38] other side village. Uh and a shout out
[11:40] to the Haven for hosting the last one
[11:41] with uh the heart team. The last piece
[11:44] is community corner Monday through
[11:45] Tuesdays uh 9 to 1 at 7 West 200 South
[11:49] and we have some smaller providers who
[11:51] are there frequently and it changes
[11:52] every week. Um I know council member
[11:55] Young I believe was scheduled to come
[11:56] see it this next week potentially. So
[11:58] also open to any of you visiting seeing
[12:00] what's going on there to give you an
[12:02] insight into what we what you're going
[12:03] to see. The last piece is because of the
[12:06] heat uh the county and the city have
[12:08] traditionally in the summertime opened
[12:09] up public spaces like libraries and
[12:12] recreation centers um for folks who need
[12:15] to get out of the heat. That's
[12:16] continuing this year. They've extended
[12:18] the hours uh last week with the heat. Uh
[12:20] so recommend folks go to those locations
[12:22] for water, bathrooms, shade. Um I think
[12:26] they were open till 8:00 p.m. last week
[12:28] to make sure that folks had a place to
[12:29] get inside for. So uh we're trying to do
[12:31] our best to help with folks at this
[12:32] time. Any other questions?
[12:36] >> Any questions from council members
[12:38] » Any questions from council members
[12:38] online? We're also joined online by
[12:40] council member Petro. Sorry I missed
[12:42] you.
[12:44] >> All right.
[12:46] » All right.
[12:46] >> No additional questions. Thank you.
[12:48] » No additional questions. Thank you.
[12:48] >> Thank you.
[12:49] » Thank you.
[12:49] >> Thank you.
[12:50] » Thank you.
[12:50] >> All right. We're going to go ahead and
[12:51] » All right. We're going to go ahead and
[12:51] move to our next um item, which is
[12:54] anformational climate forward SLC plan
[12:57] update. Uh we'll be joined at the table
[12:59] by Austin Kimmel, uh council policy
[13:01] analyst, Sophia Nichols, sustainability
[13:04] deputy director, and Katherine Wifles,
[13:06] senior air quality and environmental
[13:07] program manager. Austin, I'll turn it
[13:09] over to you.
[13:12] >> Thanks, council members. I'll just
[13:13] » Thanks, council members. I'll just
[13:13] provide a quick introduction before
[13:15] turning it over to sustainability. Um,
[13:18] this is anformational briefing from
[13:20] sustainability on climate forward SLC,
[13:23] which is an update to
[13:25] uh, excuse me, which is an update to the
[13:28] city's climate strategy. Uh, climate
[13:30] forward SLC seeks to outline strategies
[13:32] to help the city achieve its renewable
[13:34] and energy
[13:36] and carbon emissions reduction goals,
[13:38] which the council established in 2016
[13:41] and 2019. This is the department's
[13:44] second update to the council following
[13:46] its first presentation in November of
[13:48] last year. The plan is expected to
[13:50] return to the council later this year or
[13:53] early next year for formal for formal
[13:56] consideration.
[13:57] The goal today is for the council to
[13:59] receive an update on the plan's
[14:00] development and learn more about the
[14:03] plan's existing conditions report which
[14:06] assesses current and future climate and
[14:08] other environmental challenges. The
[14:11] department will also touch on other
[14:12] steps it is taking as part of the
[14:14] developing plan and policy questions can
[14:18] be found on page one of the council
[14:20] staff report. They include topics about
[14:23] title 2 and defining the department's
[14:25] role in city code
[14:27] with other departments, public
[14:29] engagement, and others. And with that, I
[14:31] will turn it over to Sophia and
[14:33] Katherine.
[14:36] » Thank you for that great introduction.
[14:39] Um, all right. I'll we'll jump right in.
[14:41] Next slide, please. I'm Katherine uh
[14:43] Whiffles. Um so yes, today we just want
[14:46] to um go over where we've been, what
[14:49] we've learned throughout this process,
[14:51] and some of the next steps in the plan
[14:52] development. Next slide.
[14:55] Next slide.
[14:57] Um, so Austin already touched on this,
[15:00] but we've established some ambitious
[15:02] goals in the city u around achieving
[15:04] 100% renewable energy by 2030 and
[15:07] reducing our emissions by uh 80% by
[15:10] 2040. And this plan again just seeks to
[15:13] reaffirm um our commitment to those
[15:15] goals and refresh our approach. Next
[15:18] slide.
[15:20] Um and as uh th this plan we leveraged
[15:24] the some EPA funding that we received
[15:27] for SL clear the Salt Lake energy air
[15:30] road map. So this is a climate action
[15:32] plan for the Salt Lake uh MSA so Tilla
[15:36] County and Salt Lake County and it was
[15:38] informed by um input from local
[15:41] government, community members and other
[15:42] experts. Um, and we've leveraged a lot
[15:45] of the work that happened through that
[15:47] process to start developing a plan
[15:49] specifically for Salt Lake City. Next
[15:51] slide.
[15:53] Um, and as part of that, uh, process, we
[15:57] created, uh, the environmental justice
[15:59] resident committee. Uh, this was a
[16:01] committee representing the west side.
[16:03] Uh, and we learned a lot from them and
[16:05] we used their input uh, on the SLC clear
[16:08] plan. We're also using a lot of those
[16:10] lessons learned in our own climate
[16:12] action plan. Um the existing committee
[16:15] doesn't I mean excuse me the original
[16:17] form of this committee doesn't exist
[16:18] anymore but they are the next iteration
[16:20] is starting work again uh supporting
[16:23] some of work at the University of Utah.
[16:25] So we're looking for opportunities to
[16:27] engage with them uh for the next phase
[16:29] of our the development of our plan. Next
[16:32] slide please. Okay. So now what we've
[16:35] learned next slide. Um, as uh Austin
[16:38] mentioned, we just finished our existing
[16:40] conditions report. Uh, this is a report
[16:42] that summarizes all of our climate
[16:44] hazards, vulnerabilities, the impacts to
[16:46] our community. Uh, it includes a green
[16:49] greenhouse gas emissions inventory,
[16:51] summarizes the community input uh,
[16:53] process that we went through. And we
[16:55] also um assessed all the city uh plans,
[16:59] policies and programs that touch on
[17:01] climate uh to understand the entire
[17:03] landscape of climate related work
[17:05] happening here in the city. Next slide.
[17:08] So there's a lot of information in that
[17:10] plan in that report. I'm just going to
[17:11] touch on some of the main takeaways uh
[17:14] really quickly. Um but our main
[17:17] challenge here in the city is extreme
[17:19] heat. Um our city is warming faster than
[17:22] ever. 2025 was our hottest year on
[17:25] record and 2026 is on track to beat
[17:28] that. Um, and we one of the things that
[17:31] we wanted to do is to see how the
[17:33] community is going to be feeling these
[17:34] impacts. So, this is just an example.
[17:36] The map you see in this slide is just an
[17:38] example of the heat um severity in
[17:41] different areas of the city. So, you can
[17:43] see that the west side is disproport
[17:45] disproportionately impacted by extreme
[17:47] heat.
[17:49] Next slide.
[17:52] uh drought uh our increasing
[17:54] temperatures are worsening our drought
[17:56] conditions. We've been in drought since
[17:59] for you know 71% of the weeks since 2000
[18:03] and these conditions are are shrinking
[18:06] the shrinking gray salt lake is also
[18:08] worsening those drought conditions by
[18:10] weakening lake effect snow and and that
[18:12] hydraological cycle. So it's just
[18:14] creating this dangerous loop. Next
[18:16] slide.
[18:19] Uh flooding is um another common uh and
[18:23] costly natural disaster here in Utah and
[18:25] our increasing temperatures is worsening
[18:28] uh this um this as well. Our warmer air
[18:32] can hold more moisture and that's
[18:34] creating leading to more intense short
[18:36] duration storms that are overwhel
[18:38] overwhelming our storm water systems.
[18:40] This causes significant damage to
[18:43] infrastructure, homes uh in the city and
[18:47] um only 5% of residents in Utah carry
[18:49] flood insurance. So it can it's an
[18:51] impactful um an impactful condition or
[18:56] situation related to climate. Next
[18:58] slide.
[19:02] Uh wildfires. So we face an elevated
[19:04] risk of wildfires as we are well aware
[19:07] uh this summer. uh our fire season is
[19:10] longer and more severe than it's been in
[19:12] the past. It's a 100 days longer than it
[19:14] was in the 70s. Um and this comes of
[19:18] course with significant risk to
[19:20] residents um homes and infrastructure as
[19:23] well as um air the air quality impacts
[19:26] that come from that. Next slide.
[19:30] So this is just a very brief overview of
[19:33] all the impacts. There's a lot more
[19:35] information in our report. Um, but you
[19:37] know, all of these impacts pose some
[19:39] serious risks to our community. Uh, it
[19:42] is a health and safety risk to all of
[19:44] our community members, especially the
[19:46] frontline community uh members that are
[19:49] just more vulnerable to these threats
[19:52] and um, you know, it's more difficult to
[19:54] recover from these events as well.
[19:57] uh the cost of living is going to be
[19:59] impacted whether it's uh increasing
[20:01] energy costs uh health care costs or
[20:04] insurance costs all of these things uh
[20:07] will be impacted there also economic
[20:09] impacts uh we see that with our ski
[20:12] industry after this this winter but also
[20:14] impacts to your agriculture brine shrimp
[20:16] industry and also just re you know um
[20:20] these extreme weather events can uh
[20:23] reduce productivity in a lot of uh
[20:26] industries ries as well. So there's um a
[20:28] lot of different types of economic
[20:29] impacts that can happen from these
[20:30] events and generally these climate
[20:33] stressors are going to decrease the
[20:35] quality of life um if we don't take
[20:38] action. So a lot of other impacts are
[20:40] listed in the in our plan but these are
[20:42] just some of the reasons why we need to
[20:44] be paying attention to to these
[20:47] conditions.
[20:50] Next slide.
[20:51] So we asked our community um about how
[20:55] they what they feel about climate, what
[20:57] they you know what their understanding
[20:58] is, what kinds of um concerns they have
[21:02] and uh generally we saw a lot of strong
[21:05] support for the city to engage in
[21:07] climate um action. We have uh the top
[21:10] five actions that the city should
[21:12] prioritize are listed here. But reducing
[21:14] air pollution was definitely uh one of
[21:16] the top actions, but shifting to clean
[21:18] renewable energy um and green spaces and
[21:21] trees is another um other two important
[21:24] ones. Next slide.
[21:27] As far as how to prioritize our actions,
[21:30] residents want to see things that reduce
[21:31] pollution, but they're also interested
[21:34] in actions that have multiple benefits
[21:36] like pollution reduction, job creation,
[21:38] saving money, those kinds of things.
[21:40] Next action or next slide. Um, and then
[21:44] we also surveyed the business community.
[21:46] Um we uh heard uh that their top
[21:50] concerns related to climate are health
[21:52] and safety of their employees, supply
[21:54] chain disruptions as well as property
[21:56] and infrastructure damage due to extreme
[21:58] weather. Um and we also heard that
[22:01] businesses agreed that taking action on
[22:03] climate is important for the health of
[22:06] our economy. So we saw some support from
[22:08] that community as well. Next slide.
[22:12] Okay. So those are the main things with
[22:14] our report and I'll turn the time over
[22:16] to Sophia if you want these.
[22:17] >> All right.
[22:19] » All right.
[22:19] So then the question is what should Salt
[22:21] Lake City do about this and how how
[22:24] organized should we be in planning for
[22:27] climate both from a mitigation
[22:29] perspective and a climate um resiliency
[22:31] perspective which I'll talk about here
[22:32] in a minute. Next slide.
[22:35] So again, uh the goals in in undertaking
[22:38] this process and bringing it to you all
[22:40] for consideration is that we would like
[22:43] to reaffirm our pre-existing goals from
[22:46] the joint resolution. Uh we would like
[22:48] to prioritize climate strategies that
[22:50] are scalable and equitable and we would
[22:52] like to understand where there are gaps
[22:54] either uh challenges or opportunities.
[22:57] Next slide.
[23:00] So, one thing that's important to
[23:02] distinguish is that there are uh uh
[23:05] different buckets of of work. So,
[23:07] oftentimes when we talk about climate
[23:09] action, we're talking about climate
[23:10] mitigation. These are things like
[23:12] supporting renewable energy, um actions
[23:15] that uh reduce our our transportation
[23:17] emissions, just other all that kind of
[23:20] bucket of work that's around reducing
[23:22] pollution. But it's also to think
[23:24] important to think about and and have
[23:26] some good um strategic thought around
[23:29] climate resiliency. So the city itself
[23:31] has has has always had work that happens
[23:34] in climate resiliency. This is a big
[23:36] part of what the public utilities
[23:37] department does. Of course, the fire
[23:39] department. I would say many departments
[23:41] and divisions in the city are are
[23:43] working frontline on climate resiliency
[23:46] but not necessarily um um uh we're not
[23:51] necessarily thinking about it in those
[23:52] ways and and and organizing it um in
[23:55] perhaps ways that we could for uh
[23:58] transparency sake. Next slide.
[24:03] So as we uh are perceiving it in the
[24:06] plan and certainly as the city itself
[24:08] has done for quite a while um our role
[24:12] in climate action is um multiaceted.
[24:16] So first what are we doing with our
[24:18] municipal municipal operations
[24:21] and it's important we believe to lead by
[24:23] example transitioning our operations and
[24:26] facilities towards clean and electric
[24:28] alternatives and adapting our operations
[24:31] to withstand climate impacts.
[24:33] Second is policies. Continuing to adopt
[24:37] policies that accelerate renewable
[24:38] energy, energy and efficient electrified
[24:41] buildings, sustainable and sustainable
[24:43] transportation
[24:45] equity, ensuring that our programs and
[24:48] policies benefit the residents with the
[24:50] greatest need and those that are most
[24:51] vulnerable to climate threats, rising
[24:53] energy prices, and other factors. And
[24:56] finally, that climate resiliency and
[24:57] adaptation piece. uh being thoughtful in
[25:01] how are we doing enough to plan and
[25:03] prepare for the climate impacts that we
[25:04] know are already happening and that are
[25:06] more to come. Next slide.
[25:11] So this process just seeks to organize
[25:15] what we in sustainability all already do
[25:18] but doing it um under the umbrella of a
[25:21] plan. Um and really it it's been a great
[25:26] opportunity to bring departments
[25:27] together to have a lot of these
[25:28] conversations. So we've done a lot of
[25:30] internal engagement across departments
[25:32] both on the mitigation front and the
[25:33] climate resiliency front. So this is
[25:35] just a a description of how uh climate
[25:39] action is already happening across the
[25:40] city and of course it's already a
[25:43] priority across many departments that we
[25:45] see reflected in other policies, plans
[25:47] and programs and the climate forward SLC
[25:50] plan seeks to bring together this this
[25:52] work to create a unified framework and
[25:55] and identify areas where aligned
[25:57] strategies are needed. Next slide.
[26:02] And then you might be thinking well what
[26:03] does it mean to implement a plan? Um and
[26:07] uh you all are the planning experts. Um
[26:10] so we look forward to to getting your
[26:12] your feedback and and um insight into
[26:16] this. Uh what we are proposing is that
[26:19] this is a framework to guide decisions
[26:22] and helping to direct resources towards
[26:24] effective climate solutions. So it's
[26:26] looking at um what we can do with
[26:29] current resources.
[26:30] Certainly, we need to recognize our
[26:32] funding realities when thinking about
[26:34] implementation just like we do with any
[26:36] plan, right? there's um an importance to
[26:39] having having a plan in lean times and
[26:42] in more flush times helps us be ready
[26:45] for when funding does come um hopefully
[26:48] again from the federal government as
[26:49] well as from the private sector other
[26:52] philanthropic opportunities as well as
[26:54] just making use of efficiencies within
[26:56] the city itself that we can that we can
[26:59] uh seek to leverage.
[27:02] And next slide.
[27:06] So looking ahead, we are there at the
[27:10] gold star. Um we did a lot of engagement
[27:13] uh last summer and fall um that
[27:15] Katherine summarized earlier. We did
[27:17] online surveys. We did intercept
[27:18] surveys. We did um uh stakeholder
[27:22] focused engagement. We spent a lot of
[27:25] time on that existing conditions report
[27:26] because we realized that we had not uh
[27:29] there wasn't something like that that
[27:30] existed yet. So, it's a really great
[27:32] resource. Now, we're in the next phase
[27:34] of stakeholder engagement and preparing
[27:37] um more detailed strategies to include
[27:38] in the plan. And then we are hoping to
[27:41] bring this back for consideration
[27:43] um probably more like late winter time
[27:47] period, late 2026 I should say. Next
[27:50] slide.
[27:52] And that's it.
[27:54] Thank you so much for this presentation.
[27:56] And when you said winter, all I could
[27:58] think about was please include snow.
[28:01] Like hope that we have some snow during
[28:02] that period. Um I'll start with any
[28:05] folks online if there are any questions
[28:06] and then move to those of us who are in
[28:08] person.
[28:10] >> No questions from me. Thank you.
[28:13] » No questions from me. Thank you.
[28:13] Uh, chair, I would actually like to ask
[28:17] um is there is there a way without
[28:20] maxing out the capacity of the
[28:23] sustainability department
[28:26] for us to respectfully consult with you
[28:28] as we're working through. I I love all
[28:31] of the precepts that you've set here and
[28:33] the trajectory you're offering us. I
[28:36] feel like there are decisions that we
[28:38] make that we don't ever see coming.
[28:40] There's things like that I've learned
[28:42] about like deconstructing projects that
[28:45] might come in front of us for demolition
[28:47] and that would allow us to mitigate
[28:51] um negative environmental impacts. And
[28:55] is there a way for us to consult with
[28:57] you as things evolve without damaging
[28:59] your capacity that would allow us to not
[29:02] just follow in these footsteps but also
[29:05] maximize opportunities as they arise in
[29:09] front of us?
[29:12] >> Yeah, I I I really appreciate that. Uh
[29:14] » Yeah, I I I really appreciate that. Uh
[29:14] thank you. I think that's exactly what
[29:16] we're hoping to to to do through this
[29:19] plan is to just have that conversation
[29:21] about are there gaps, are there
[29:23] opportunities where we we can um either
[29:27] share what we're already doing or be in
[29:29] alignment on anything further that's
[29:31] needed. Um, we do have ordinances and
[29:35] and policies in place that uh exist
[29:39] prior to this plan that that are going
[29:41] to continue to exist, including around
[29:43] construction and demolition, waste,
[29:46] including around energy benchmarking,
[29:49] um, and a variety of other things. So,
[29:52] we we still have a body of of of ongoing
[29:54] work that we we already do, but I think,
[29:57] um, yes, we're we're definitely, uh,
[29:59] looking forward to that conversation. if
[30:00] you have any specifics you'd like to
[30:02] share with council staff for us.
[30:05] Yeah.
[30:08] >> All right. Look into the room for
[30:10] » All right. Look into the room for
[30:10] questions. We'll start with uh council
[30:12] member Napier Pierce.
[30:14] >> Thank you so much. This is uh terrific.
[30:16] » Thank you so much. This is uh terrific.
[30:16] I'm just wondering if um there are
[30:19] opportunities for grants. Is that part
[30:22] of your policy to be kind of exploring
[30:25] other relationships like the Bezos grant
[30:27] that you just got and and other, you
[30:30] know, federal grants if that ever
[30:31] happens again?
[30:33] >> Yes. And that's a big reason why we
[30:35] » Yes. And that's a big reason why we
[30:35] think having this plan that hopefully uh
[30:38] is something that um you'll want to
[30:40] adopt can be so helpful because
[30:42] oftentimes having an adopted climate
[30:44] plan is the foundation for being
[30:46] competitive with all sorts of different
[30:48] types of grants. And we do see our
[30:51] function as the department um supporting
[30:54] the entire city team in applying for and
[30:59] uh thinking strategically and working on
[31:02] grants and we were very busy in 2023
[31:04] through today. So um including um
[31:08] supporting the the Bezos one that just
[31:09] came in. So yes, that we we do think
[31:11] that that's a big reason to have the the
[31:13] plan. Yeah. And we're also looking at
[31:15] other more um uh creative funding
[31:19] solutions that that we've seen other
[31:21] cities across the the country use. And
[31:25] so we're hoping to provide some of that
[31:27] uh some of some of those ideas in the
[31:29] plan as well.
[31:31] >> Yeah.
[31:34] » Thank you for the briefing and I
[31:35] appreciate all the the great work. Uh I
[31:38] mean we're leading the way in this in
[31:40] the state um from right here in your
[31:44] department. So I appreciate all that.
[31:46] And so I also want to how do we uh take
[31:50] our plan and and see if we can bring
[31:53] other cities because we're all attached
[31:55] to each other. We all have the same, you
[31:57] know, UTA does does not just operate in
[32:00] Salt Lake City. How do we get the more
[32:02] buses? How do we get more resiliency and
[32:05] even the mitigation side of the house
[32:06] because that the climate doesn't know
[32:08] the boundaries. So h how do we uh take
[32:12] this and move it forward to this to the
[32:15] next level as far as the state is is is
[32:17] concerned on funding uh and how how can
[32:20] we help you do that through the league
[32:22] or through use talk clean energy or
[32:24] other
[32:26] >> places uh so that our dollar goes
[32:28] » places uh so that our dollar goes
[32:28] further than just in Salt Lake City
[32:31] because if you look at that heat map our
[32:33] heat map for the west side is it's red
[32:36] but that's probably red all the way down
[32:39] I-15
[32:41] >> to St. George and beyond. So, how do we
[32:44] » to St. George and beyond. So, how do we
[32:44] help help ourselves help them too and
[32:48] and work through that
[32:50] at the at the county, state was front,
[32:54] regional area.
[32:58] » I think having uh this as an example um
[33:03] Salt Lake City is often the example for
[33:04] other communities in Utah. So, I think
[33:07] that first and foremost is useful to be
[33:09] able to to hopefully show them something
[33:11] that's simple and current and provides
[33:15] that uh um those best practices. Um and
[33:18] then we very much are always working to
[33:22] collaborate as much as possible across
[33:23] Salt Lake City boundaries. Clearly, Utah
[33:25] renewable communities is the biggest
[33:27] example of that. Most recently, I think
[33:28] our um our urban agriculture and our
[33:31] food program certainly cross Salt Lake
[33:33] City boundaries, electrified
[33:34] transportation, transit. Um as part of
[33:37] the EPA grant that we referenced in the
[33:39] beginning, we did that was a regional
[33:41] plan and we did convene um governments
[33:44] from across the uh Salt Lake County and
[33:46] Tula County area. So, we want to
[33:49] continue to do that and are um um
[33:53] looking forward to having some more
[33:54] tangible things we can talk about. But I
[33:56] will say we did develop some blueprints
[33:58] out of that um process that are a little
[34:01] more bite-size. So,
[34:02] >> okay. Thank you.
[34:03] » okay. Thank you.
[34:03] >> We'll share them with you and you guys
[34:04] » We'll share them with you and you guys
[34:04] can share them in all of your networks.
[34:06] >> Yes. Right. Exactly. That's
[34:07] » Yes. Right. Exactly. That's
[34:07] [clears throat] what we need to do.
[34:08] Thank you.
[34:09] >> Yeah. Thank you.
[34:11] » Yeah. Thank you.
[34:11] >> All right. Well, I just want to express
[34:13] » All right. Well, I just want to express
[34:13] my profound appreciation to um your team
[34:17] for gathering the ex in the any
[34:19] consultants that were involved in this
[34:21] gathering the existing conditions report
[34:24] which frankly was really sobering. Um,
[34:27] and I think any of us over the past few
[34:29] weeks from fires to heat um to
[34:32] continuing um scarcity in terms of our
[34:35] water resources extremely sobering. And
[34:38] so I appreciate the work that you've
[34:40] done and putting together that report.
[34:42] And I'm sure somebody wise said
[34:44] something along the lines of nothing can
[34:46] be changed until it's first faced. And
[34:48] so I feel like by helping us face those
[34:52] realities, we can adapt our future. And
[34:54] so, thank you for for your work and I'll
[34:56] be looking forward to uh receiving
[34:58] updates as the plan progresses. Thank
[35:01] you.
[35:02] >> Thank you.
[35:03] » Thank you.
[35:03] >> Thank you very much.
[35:04] » Thank you very much.
[35:04] >> All right, let's move on to our next
[35:06] » All right, let's move on to our next
[35:06] item, item number three, which is an
[35:09] ordinance uh regarding the ballpark
[35:11] zoning map and text amendment. Uh we'll
[35:14] be joined at the table by Kate uh policy
[35:16] uh council policy analyst Sarah senior
[35:19] policy uh excuse me senior planner um
[35:22] David principal planner and Chrissy
[35:24] Gilmore uh planning manager and looks
[35:26] like we've also got McKenna um and
[35:28] Hayden from the CRA available for
[35:30] questions. Kate,
[35:33] great. Thank you.
[35:36] In December 2025, the CRA board adopted
[35:39] the Ballpark Next Community Design Plan.
[35:42] This this reszone application that's
[35:45] before you today establishes zoning
[35:47] regulations in alignment with that plan.
[35:50] There are three major changes included
[35:52] in it and I will let planning staff
[35:54] review that. Um a few items before we
[35:58] turn it over to them. Planning staff
[36:00] does recommend approval of this.
[36:01] Planning Commission had a public hearing
[36:05] um on March 11th where seven members of
[36:08] the public spoke in opposition of this
[36:11] item, noting a desire for more public
[36:14] green space, public safety concerns, and
[36:17] additionally concerns about the height
[36:20] and the the land use of a hotel. Uh the
[36:23] planning commission did vote positively
[36:26] um 5 to2 to recommend approval to you as
[36:30] the city council um to consider
[36:33] approval. And the commissioners who were
[36:36] opposed noted that they they were not a
[36:40] fan of the height um allowed in MU11.
[36:45] There is a policy discussion before you
[36:47] today. Um the city council may wish to
[36:50] discuss different the differences
[36:51] between MU11 and MU8. It has been
[36:56] discussed in small group meetings and
[36:58] with the public um and consideration for
[37:02] you about which zone may be best for the
[37:05] ballpark community. Um the comments have
[37:09] expressed concern that um MU11 may be
[37:13] allowed too much height and may um set a
[37:17] precedent for the adjacent properties to
[37:20] also upzone to that level. MU8 would
[37:24] allow development of mixeduse areas
[37:26] while facilitating an appropriate
[37:28] transition to the surrounding
[37:29] neighborhoods. Um, if the council is in
[37:32] favor of modifying to MU8, it would be
[37:35] helpful to for planning staff, um, if
[37:39] you considered a straw poll today. With
[37:41] that, I'll turn it over to Sarah and
[37:43] David.
[37:46] Thank you, Kate. So, this is a reszone
[37:48] for the city-owned property that
[37:50] includes the former baseball stadium and
[37:52] the parking lot to the north. You can go
[37:54] to the next slide. So, this slide
[37:57] identifies the areas that are affected.
[37:59] The total area is 14.8 acres. The
[38:03] parking lot to the north is not shown as
[38:05] F and that's about 4.3 acres. And then
[38:08] the area to the south of 1300 South is
[38:10] about 10 and a half acres.
[38:13] And next slide.
[38:15] So this proposal was initiated by the
[38:18] mayor and um as was said earlier, the
[38:20] applicant is the CRA. Um the proposal is
[38:23] to implement the ballpark next community
[38:25] design plan. It includes map and text
[38:27] amendments. This shows the existing
[38:30] zoning which is public lands and then
[38:32] RMF-35
[38:33] which is residential multif family with
[38:35] a maximum height of 35 ft. And then the
[38:38] text amendments allow for additional
[38:41] height for buildings with frontage on
[38:42] the south side of 1300 South and also
[38:46] remove the ballpark sign overlay which
[38:48] is in the public land section of the
[38:50] sign chapter. So next slide.
[38:54] And so this shows the existing
[38:55] conditions. On the left is the stadium
[38:57] and then the right is that parking lot
[38:59] to the north. Next slide.
[39:03] And then these images show the existing
[39:05] zoning on the left and then the proposed
[39:06] zoning on the right. The majority of the
[39:08] area is proposed to be reszoned from
[39:10] public lands to MU11. And then the RMF35
[39:14] zoned area would be reszoned to MU5. And
[39:17] then there's a splitzoned parcel that
[39:19] would be reszoned to a combination of
[39:21] MU11 and MU5. and then the CRA
[39:24] eventually plans a subdivision of the
[39:26] properties.
[39:27] Um, as far as the proposal, the existing
[39:30] public sands zoning is much more limited
[39:32] than the p proposed zoning districts.
[39:35] And the primary purpose of that zone is
[39:37] for other public buildings and uses and
[39:40] RMF35 allows for multifamily uses, but
[39:43] not at the height or the density that's
[39:45] proposed. So then next slide.
[39:49] And then the text amendments to the MU11
[39:52] zone would allow buildings with frontage
[39:54] on the south side of 13 South to have
[39:55] that height up to 150. And then the
[39:58] buildings on 13th South would also need
[40:00] to meet the enhanced active use
[40:02] requirements. And these only apply to
[40:04] the block between West Temple and Main
[40:06] Streets. Next slide. And then as part of
[40:10] the resoning process, staff identified
[40:12] three key considerations for the review.
[40:15] Um whether it implemented city plans and
[40:17] policies. And then we also looked at the
[40:19] ballpark next plan and the compatibility
[40:21] with nearby properties and staff found
[40:24] it to be consistent with plan salt lake
[40:26] the thriving in place plan the 2022
[40:29] ballpark station area plan the ballpark
[40:31] next plan which is the long-term vision
[40:33] for the site and so that concludes
[40:35] staff's presentation and as was said
[40:37] earlier staff from the CR are also here
[40:39] and able to answer questions.
[40:41] >> Thank you so much. We'll start with
[40:43] » Thank you so much. We'll start with
[40:43] folks online to ask if there are any
[40:46] questions.
[40:48] I do.
[40:51] >> Please proceed. Go ahead, Sarah. Council
[40:54] » Please proceed. Go ahead, Sarah. Council
[40:54] member Young,
[40:55] >> I appreciate it. Um, so I think my
[40:57] » I appreciate it. Um, so I think my
[40:57] question is going to be related to the
[40:58] the height requirement um that's being
[41:01] proposed. Can we hear about how MU11 was
[41:06] identified and the need for the 150 ft
[41:08] along 1300 cells? Like what are our what
[41:11] are our goals within that? Um because
[41:15] from my vantage point that seems very
[41:18] different than the existing zones that
[41:21] are in the area on the surrounding
[41:23] parcels as well.
[41:26] >> Yes. So the MU11 zone allows for up to
[41:30] » Yes. So the MU11 zone allows for up to
[41:30] 125 ft and then there are some areas
[41:32] within the zone that it can go up to 150
[41:34] ft. As far as the plan itself and how
[41:37] that was identified, I'd like to go
[41:39] ahead and turn that over to the CRA to
[41:41] answer that question. I think there's
[41:43] enough room for Hayden here.
[41:46] >> Good afternoon, council members. Hayden
[41:47] » Good afternoon, council members. Hayden
[41:47] Callaway with the CRA. Um to answer your
[41:50] question um about the how this was
[41:52] identified in the plan on 1300 South, we
[41:55] do allow we the plan was adopted to
[41:57] allow heights up to 150 ft. Some
[41:59] buildings maybe up from 120 to 150 ft
[42:02] and MU1 was the only zone that allowed
[42:05] that height.
[42:08] >> Got it. So I mean Okay. I'm I'm trying
[42:12] » Got it. So I mean Okay. I'm I'm trying
[42:12] to I guess understand a little bit more
[42:15] of like the rationale of like what are
[42:18] we hoping to achieve there with that
[42:20] additional height? Like is this to allow
[42:23] for more like places to live? Like what
[42:27] what are we going for um within that
[42:31] additional request?
[42:33] >> Yeah, the goal of just the plan itself
[42:35] » Yeah, the goal of just the plan itself
[42:35] was to allow for just increased density
[42:37] in the area. So that would result in
[42:40] either more residential units, more
[42:42] height to um to allow for with the
[42:45] development potential and to increase
[42:46] that in in line with the ballpark
[42:48] station area plan as well.
[42:51] >> Okay, I appreciate that. I will just uh
[42:53] » Okay, I appreciate that. I will just uh
[42:53] share for council's consideration. So I
[42:56] do have concerns about the MU1. Um I
[42:59] would say especially just in proximity
[43:02] to the single family residential that is
[43:05] like right behind that stadium. Um, and
[43:08] you know, normally when I'm looking at
[43:10] like heights, I'm I'm usually trying to
[43:12] figure out like do we have like a
[43:14] traditional like step down zone. I think
[43:16] the proximity is a concern of mine. Um,
[43:19] and so I'm I guess I just wanted to
[43:22] share that that's a concern that I have
[43:25] related to the request for MU11, whereas
[43:28] I feel like MU8 feels like we would
[43:32] still be achieving a significant amount
[43:34] of density in that space. um without
[43:37] necessarily going up to the full 150.
[43:40] Thank you.
[43:42] >> Thank you, council member. Any other
[43:45] » Thank you, council member. Any other
[43:45] questions or comments from online?
[43:48] >> I'm good, but amplify everything
[43:49] » I'm good, but amplify everything
[43:49] Councilwoman Young just said.
[43:51] >> Thank you, Council Member Petro.
[43:54] » Thank you, Council Member Petro.
[43:54] Uh move towards in the room. Any
[43:55] questions, comments from folks here at
[43:57] the table in the room?
[44:01] So from
[44:03] from your answer I'm getting it's not
[44:05] that there's like one particular
[44:08] um component of the plan that would be
[44:12] excluded by MU 11 or we excluded by MU 5
[44:19] >> 8.
[44:21] » 8.
[44:21] >> Yeah we
[44:21] » Yeah we
[44:21] >> five 11 whatever.
[44:23] » five 11 whatever.
[44:23] >> That's right. discussing with planning
[44:24] » That's right. discussing with planning
[44:24] like the land uses are virtually the
[44:26] same and would still allow us to you
[44:29] know go forward with the goals of the
[44:30] plan if it was reszone to MU8 instead of
[44:33] MU11.
[44:36] » Okay. Thanks. I'd like to point out one
[44:39] little item. Um there is a transition
[44:42] area between the proposed MU11 and the
[44:45] single family homes of MU5. just a a
[44:49] small portion that um the plan calls out
[44:52] as I believe town homes just so so so
[44:56] there's awareness of that MU5 area.
[45:00] >> Thanks Kate.
[45:05] » Any other questions?
[45:07] Um, well, I just want to uh express my
[45:10] appreciation to uh all the staff, city
[45:13] staff, both CRA and planning who has
[45:16] worked on this reszone. And I know that
[45:18] this ballpark next process is going to
[45:20] be a very long and ongoing process as we
[45:23] reimagine the future of that space. And
[45:26] so I really want to express um my
[45:28] profound appreciation to everybody who
[45:30] has um brought us to this stage of the
[45:32] process. I know we've got future stages.
[45:34] Those are down the line, but thank you
[45:36] for your work up to this stage. Um, I
[45:38] just want to uh express that I'm excited
[45:41] about this plan. I'm excited about the
[45:43] ballpark next plan that was adopted and
[45:45] approved um by the city council. Um, I'm
[45:48] in favor of the MU8 uh reszone because
[45:52] it is in alignment with that plan, but
[45:55] also because it it does not um it's it's
[45:58] more in alignment with the existing
[46:00] zoning that is around the ballpark site.
[46:03] Um, I feel uh pretty strongly that
[46:07] reszone to an MU8 achieves the what was
[46:10] outlined in the plan without necessarily
[46:13] uh triggering an upzone of adjacent
[46:16] nearby parcels that are not um uh
[46:19] publicly owned as these parcels are. Um,
[46:22] one thing I would like to state for the
[46:24] record, I know we've stated this before
[46:26] in in previous conversations about the
[46:28] ballpark next plan, but is the current
[46:31] plan to continue to maintain public
[46:33] ownership of those lands um with the
[46:36] execution of uh long-term possible
[46:38] execution of long-term ground leases as
[46:40] we move towards redevelopment.
[46:44] >> Is that a question? Yeah. Um that is a
[46:46] » Is that a question? Yeah. Um that is a
[46:46] that is a priority um that was discussed
[46:48] even last year as the plan was being
[46:50] adopted that you as a board um had
[46:52] communicated and that's you know that's
[46:54] the lens we are looking at um as we go
[46:57] through the disposition RFP process with
[46:59] these properties. Um but we'll those
[47:01] will be brought to you as as a board as
[47:03] well when we as we go through that
[47:04] process.
[47:04] >> Thank you Hayden. I I know we've
[47:06] » Thank you Hayden. I I know we've
[47:06] previously discussed it but I just want
[47:08] to reiterate it again because I think
[47:09] when people hear redevelopment they
[47:11] think oh the city's going to sell off
[47:12] all of this land. And just to reiterate
[47:14] that this continues to mean public
[47:16] ownership of of those lands in terms of
[47:18] city owning it. Um and the last thing
[47:20] I'd love to just um emphasize is is the
[47:24] connection between the ballpark next
[47:26] plan and the agenda item we heard about
[47:28] earlier just before this one which was
[47:30] climate impacts and really wanting us as
[47:33] we move forward with the implementation
[47:35] of the ballpark next plan to think about
[47:37] opportunities for maximizing green
[47:40] space. I know that in the plan there was
[47:41] a mention of green roofs. I know that
[47:44] there's um an opportunity to really
[47:46] think creatively as we reimagine this
[47:48] site to also think about the climate
[47:50] impacts um that we can mitigate in the
[47:52] redesign of it. So I just wanted to
[47:54] mention that. Um I see we have a straw
[47:57] poll. Any other comments before we move
[48:00] towards a straw poll?
[48:04] » All right.
[48:06] I will propose a straw poll because I
[48:09] agree with uh your comments there and
[48:12] the other comments from council member
[48:14] Young and Petro. So I propose a straw
[48:16] poll to determine support for reszoning
[48:18] all parcels currently proposed for MU11
[48:21] to MU8.
[48:23] >> All right, show your feelings. And for
[48:25] » All right, show your feelings. And for
[48:25] those folks online,
[48:27] >> my thumbs up.
[48:29] » my thumbs up.
[48:29] >> Council member Petro,
[48:31] » Council member Petro,
[48:31] >> thumbs up. All right, I think that's all
[48:34] » thumbs up. All right, I think that's all
[48:34] of us in favor of the of that um straw
[48:37] poll and to emulate. All right, thank
[48:40] you so much.
[48:44] Okay, next on our item is item number
[48:48] four, uh which is a text amendment for
[48:51] shortterm uh rental business licenses
[48:54] followup. Um Allison Roland will join us
[48:57] at the table. Um council policy analyst
[49:00] and we're also joined by Aruro Garcia
[49:03] who's a director of finance operations.
[49:06] And looks like we've got a special
[49:07] guest, [laughter]
[49:09] our city attorney, um uh
[49:13] um Kelly Mark Catrell. Catrell, I I just
[49:15] I just saw Mark and I just wanted to say
[49:17] Mark, but Catrell, sorry.
[49:19] >> You call me what you like. [laughter]
[49:20] » You call me what you like. [laughter]
[49:20] That's true.
[49:22] >> Um also joining us at the table. Um,
[49:24] » Um also joining us at the table. Um,
[49:24] council policy analyst Allison, I'll uh
[49:27] turn it over to you.
[49:28] >> Thank you.
[49:30] » Thank you.
[49:30] Uh, as all of you may recall, in the
[49:33] FY27 budget, you approved a new
[49:35] short-term rental ordinance. Since then,
[49:39] concerns have been raised by some owners
[49:41] of these properties. So, this is
[49:43] arranged as a follow-up conversation for
[49:46] you with the administration to be able
[49:48] to clarify any pending questions,
[49:50] discuss any potential options for
[49:52] changes to the ordinance.
[49:54] Summary information on the changes
[49:56] adopted with the budget can be found in
[49:57] attachment C1 of the staff report, and
[50:00] there are some potential policy
[50:01] questions there as well. I will turn it
[50:04] over to Arturo if you have a
[50:06] presentation or want to speak about. Um
[50:08] I can definitely
[50:10] >> I think there were some questions that
[50:12] » I think there were some questions that
[50:12] were asked um to clarify.
[50:15] One was the uh requirement behind
[50:20] um the local contact. And so
[50:25] having somebody available to address
[50:27] general issues and be able to respond
[50:29] within two hours can definitely help um
[50:33] alleviate some of those costs to other
[50:35] departments within the city. And these
[50:38] are general questions that can be
[50:40] addressed whether it's a parking issue
[50:43] or a noise complaint um or any just
[50:48] issue regarding the the property as
[50:50] well. So that was one of the concerns.
[50:53] Now the twoour may be reasonable it's
[50:57] it's it's reasonable for u many issues.
[51:01] um as I discussed
[51:04] it's if council would like to um take
[51:07] into account a shortening that time um
[51:11] we can look into that.
[51:15] Ex u excuse me. Uh thank you madam
[51:18] chair. I wonder if it would be helpful
[51:19] maybe just to take a step back set the
[51:21] table. Uh would it be helpful to revisit
[51:23] the ordinance and sort of what it
[51:25] purports to do and then we can from
[51:26] there perhaps uh address any questions
[51:28] that council may have? Great. I'm happy
[51:31] to do that if you like our tour.
[51:32] >> Yeah. Great. Thank you.
[51:34] » Yeah. Great. Thank you.
[51:34] >> Um, so,
[51:36] » Um, so,
[51:36] uh, chapter 5.13 is a new ordinance, uh,
[51:39] meant to deal with, uh, the licensing of
[51:42] short-term rentals. Um, uh, it
[51:45] addresses, I would say, and a lot of
[51:48] this is taken from the one pager in your
[51:50] materials on C1. Um but I see it
[51:53] addressing one, two, three, four, five,
[51:55] six
[51:57] uh six sort of uh areas. Uh number one
[52:00] is sort of the applicability. Uh where
[52:02] is this or what it's applicable, right?
[52:04] What short-term rentals are or what
[52:06] dwellings are applicable? And it's going
[52:08] to be any dwelling, even a partial
[52:10] dwelling uh that is rented out for less
[52:12] than 30 days where short-term rentals
[52:14] are currently permitted. It doesn't
[52:16] change where they're permitted. The
[52:17] zoning stays the same. It's just where
[52:19] they're permitted. Um, second item might
[52:21] be the license requirement. Um, what is
[52:24] what is required there? We're
[52:25] establishing or creating a a license
[52:27] requirement. Um, so number one, it uh
[52:30] those who want to offer a short-term
[52:32] rental must obtain a license. Uh, it is
[52:35] unlawful for someone to operate,
[52:37] maintain, advertise, or allow uh uh
[52:41] someone to to maintain that without a
[52:43] license. And each unit uh offered as an
[52:47] STR as a short-term rental. I'll I'll
[52:49] use S str uh must have a separate
[52:52] license and only one license per person
[52:55] under code or entity who's allowed to
[52:57] sort of uh offer a short-term rental. Um
[53:01] we are creating application standards.
[53:04] Uh and this gets to uh the item that our
[53:06] Turo was mentioning earlier. Um those
[53:09] applying uh for a short-term rental must
[53:12] provide an address and description of
[53:14] the dwelling unit. They must provide
[53:16] proof of legal ownership and authority
[53:18] to operate a short-term rental. Uh, and
[53:22] as part of that, if they're part of an
[53:23] HOA or condominium association, they
[53:26] must show that they also have the
[53:27] approval and ability uh and consent from
[53:29] those organizations to offer a
[53:31] short-term rental.
[53:33] An [clears throat] applicant must also
[53:34] provide contact information uh for for
[53:37] themselves, the property owner, and the
[53:39] local contact person that Arturo was
[53:41] mentioning. That local contact person
[53:44] must be available 24 hours a day, be
[53:46] able to receive text messages, reside or
[53:49] have an office within Salt Lake County,
[53:51] and be able to respond to concerns
[53:53] raised by the city within 2 hours. Um,
[53:57] we are also uh creating limits and
[53:59] restrictions on short-term rentals. Um,
[54:02] one of those is that short-term rentals
[54:04] are limited in multifamily buildings to
[54:07] 10% of available units. So, if you have
[54:10] uh a multif family building with 30
[54:13] units, no more than three would be
[54:16] eligible as a short-term rental. If
[54:18] there's le if you have a multif family
[54:20] building uh and there's less than 10,
[54:22] you're allowed one uh unit as a
[54:24] short-term rental. Um uh and on that, if
[54:28] there's sort of a backlog, we I guess
[54:29] the city would create a wait list for
[54:31] those um who wanted to offer a
[54:33] short-term rental but were unable to
[54:34] because of the 10% limitation in that
[54:36] multif family building. Um, licenses may
[54:39] not be issued or renewed if there are
[54:42] multiple unresolved like nuisance
[54:44] citations, violations, etc. So, if uh
[54:48] someone has a history of those um kinds
[54:52] of citations on the property and they
[54:53] apply for a short-term rental, uh they
[54:56] they may not get uh license for that or
[54:59] if they currently have one, uh we they
[55:01] may not be renewed. Uh now if there's
[55:03] consistent and we'll get down to
[55:05] inspection enforcement about repeated
[55:06] violations. Um
[55:09] operation standards. We're uh
[55:11] establishing operational standards for
[55:13] short-term rentals. So short-term
[55:14] rentals must uh abide by fire and
[55:17] building code, especially occupancy
[55:18] limits. Uh one off- streetet parking
[55:21] stall uh for the exclusive uh use of a
[55:24] short-term rental must be provided. Uh
[55:26] there is a two night minimum uh required
[55:30] for someone letting out a short-term
[55:32] rental and also a 200 night maximum per
[55:35] short-term rental unit. 200 night per
[55:37] year maximum. Um also short-term rental
[55:40] units must comply with noise, waste,
[55:42] nuisance, building standards, transient
[55:43] room taxes, records uh uh regarding
[55:47] compliance and nights rented and provide
[55:49] their license number and all
[55:50] advertisements. Those are some of the
[55:51] operational standards. Uh with respect
[55:54] to an inspection enforcement,
[55:56] um the city may review these
[55:58] applications with fire and building
[56:00] services. Um if there are violations of
[56:03] a short-term rental, if they're
[56:04] violating chapter 5.13, uh they can
[56:07] receive a $1,000 civil penalty for every
[56:09] seven calendar days where that violation
[56:11] is present. Uh licenses can be suspended
[56:15] or revoked for repeated violations
[56:18] um under the code. So those that that's
[56:22] a brief summary of what uh this
[56:24] ordinance purports or aims to do. And so
[56:26] I thought think that might be helpful
[56:27] just to set the table and see if you
[56:29] have any questions about that.
[56:30] >> Thank you so much. Um I see uh Council
[56:33] » Thank you so much. Um I see uh Council
[56:33] Member Young has a question and then
[56:36] we'll move to Council Member Petro for
[56:37] any questions before moving to folks uh
[56:39] in the room.
[56:41] >> Great. Thank you. Um so I should have
[56:43] » Great. Thank you. Um so I should have
[56:43] asked this question sooner so apologies.
[56:46] Um, but one of the things that I think
[56:49] as as we've, you know, been mulling over
[56:52] these these now changes, um, is our
[56:57] ability to enforce all of these
[57:01] different criteria. So, like the one
[57:03] that jumps out at me is the 200 days.
[57:07] Like how how does that even translate
[57:10] into like something that would be
[57:12] enforcable?
[57:14] Is it based on a neighbor noting that
[57:18] from their perception it's been occupied
[57:21] more than 200 days? I'm just I guess I'm
[57:24] just curious about what that looks like
[57:26] logistically.
[57:28] >> If I may, I don't know if Mary Beth
[57:30] » If I may, I don't know if Mary Beth
[57:30] Arturo have perspectives on that. Um,
[57:32] it's my understanding and uh and I I I'm
[57:35] filling in for an attorney who worked on
[57:37] this, but it's my understanding that
[57:38] certainly there can be complaint based
[57:41] uh complaints that could lead to
[57:43] investigations
[57:44] um or the city may have information or
[57:46] records to determine whether or not
[57:48] violations have occurred. So, for
[57:49] example, under the operational standards
[57:52] u uh information that I provided or was
[57:57] that the inspection enforcement? Well,
[57:59] one
[58:00] >> require them to people
[58:02] » require them to people
[58:02] Um, so it does require them to keep a
[58:04] log of the nights that they rented. So
[58:07] if if uh civil enforcement requires
[58:09] requests that information that they're
[58:11] required to provide that the the log
[58:13] >> Okay. And I that's helpful. Um, I guess
[58:18] » Okay. And I that's helpful. Um, I guess
[58:18] it leads me to based on some some other
[58:22] short-term rental conversations and
[58:24] enforcement that we've had that feels
[58:27] like something that would be easy to
[58:29] like pull together that may not be
[58:31] reflective of the true practice. Um, and
[58:35] and I guess as I look at it from a city
[58:38] perspective, it's challenging to gather
[58:42] records to like assert whether or not
[58:45] that log is accurate or not. So, um it's
[58:49] not a deal breakaker, I guess, but I
[58:51] just um you know, I I know in the
[58:54] short-term rental space that in even in
[58:58] like the um constituent issues that
[59:01] we've had in the Sugar House area,
[59:03] sometimes it's difficult to provide
[59:05] enforcement on our existing code. Um,
[59:09] and so to see all of these new
[59:12] requirements, I'm just trying to like
[59:14] wrap my head around what that looks like
[59:16] and what our city capacity is to be able
[59:19] to provide that structure and
[59:20] enforcement. So, thank you.
[59:24] >> Thank you, council member. And I I'll
[59:25] » Thank you, council member. And I I'll
[59:25] just note that as sometimes my attorneys
[59:28] are involved in some of these
[59:29] enforcement actions before our city
[59:31] boards and certainly these can become
[59:33] factual uh questions for a hearing
[59:35] officer to determine and uh you know the
[59:38] strength of the evidence or lack thereof
[59:41] uh is certainly noted by hearing
[59:43] officers in my experience.
[59:47] » Thank you, Council Member Young. Uh
[59:49] Council Member Petro, any questions uh
[59:52] or comments?
[59:52] >> Yes. Yes. Thank you. Um my question is
[59:58] » Yes. Yes. Thank you. Um my question is
[59:58] um when we were talking about the
[59:59] multifamily, so my interest in this
[1:00:02] ordinance is in restricting short-term
[1:00:06] rentals in so much as they artificially
[1:00:09] inflate
[1:00:10] the uh pricing in our um housing market.
[1:00:16] But I do want to keep it as a tool
[1:00:20] especially for people who might find
[1:00:21] themselves on the verge of housing
[1:00:24] insecurity. So I'm thinking of you know
[1:00:27] single moms, maybe elderly people who
[1:00:30] are on fixed incomes who could either
[1:00:33] leverage the whole of their property or
[1:00:35] a room within their property via a
[1:00:37] short-term rental option. So, as we were
[1:00:40] talking about the multifamily, is that
[1:00:43] referring explicitly to multifamily
[1:00:45] properties that are only owned by one
[1:00:48] entity
[1:00:50] or would a condo that has multiple
[1:00:53] owners be subject to those same quota?
[1:00:57] >> It's my understanding reading the
[1:00:58] » It's my understanding reading the
[1:00:58] ordinance that it would apply to uh not
[1:01:01] just a single entity owning one
[1:01:03] building, but like a condominium as well
[1:01:05] where there's multiple owners. I I have
[1:01:07] to tell you I am fervently against that.
[1:01:10] Um I'm watching in lots of places where
[1:01:14] um either there's one entity that might
[1:01:18] own several parcels within a building or
[1:01:21] just shows up to more meetings and it
[1:01:24] really creates a lack of equity um among
[1:01:29] the the owners and users of the
[1:01:31] property. So, I would really like to
[1:01:33] revisit that portion of the ordinance
[1:01:36] and go deeper on that. Um, I also am not
[1:01:40] fully convinced that the one that the
[1:01:42] twoight rule ameliorates the partying
[1:01:46] that we want to. I'm open to persuasion
[1:01:48] around it, but um I'm not fully
[1:01:52] convinced on that. But thank you.
[1:01:57] » Thank you, council member. Moving to
[1:01:59] folks in the room questions. Council
[1:02:01] member Dugan and then Council Member
[1:02:03] Wharton,
[1:02:04] >> can you talk about the two night minimum
[1:02:07] » can you talk about the two night minimum
[1:02:07] and the 200 night maximum? Why? What's
[1:02:11] the reasoning on those?
[1:02:16] What like why have a minimum or a
[1:02:17] maximum?
[1:02:19] >> Certainly, and I am happy to defer to
[1:02:21] » Certainly, and I am happy to defer to
[1:02:21] those who may have been more involved in
[1:02:22] the discussion, but my understanding is
[1:02:25] that a two-day minimum aims to reduce
[1:02:27] rentals that are done solely for a
[1:02:29] single party purpose. Now whether that
[1:02:32] actually occurs or not, I think that's
[1:02:33] to be seen. Uh but I think that was the
[1:02:35] the goal behind the two-day minimum.
[1:02:37] With respect to the 200 nights, it's my
[1:02:40] understanding that that was chosen
[1:02:42] because um most of this most of these
[1:02:44] dwellings were initially instituted as
[1:02:47] meant to be housing uh for for
[1:02:49] individuals and uh not a hospitality
[1:02:52] purpose. So they're fundamentally built
[1:02:54] originally for a housing purpose, not a
[1:02:55] hospitality purpose. and that this uh
[1:02:58] 200 night maximum for short-term rental
[1:03:01] is meant to ensure that the units are
[1:03:03] used for housing, not short-term rental,
[1:03:05] for at least a third of the year. That
[1:03:07] is what I've been told, but I don't know
[1:03:09] if there's any additional considerations
[1:03:10] that were contemplated.
[1:03:12] Yeah, it it also um it also reduces uh
[1:03:16] noise level like Mark said and uh
[1:03:19] parking issues as well. Traffic uh for
[1:03:22] the neighbors that are as if we have
[1:03:24] more one night stays um there'd be more
[1:03:28] foot traffic in that area.
[1:03:30] >> Thank you.
[1:03:34] » Thank you.
[1:03:34] just kind of extend it is this I mean
[1:03:38] we didn't come up with these numbers
[1:03:39] were there was it coming from is there a
[1:03:41] national standard or national level that
[1:03:43] says hey a lot of cities have two nights
[1:03:46] and 200 nights uh or is that Salt Lake
[1:03:48] City decided hey we're going to go with
[1:03:50] two nights and 200 nights and I I can't
[1:03:52] believe that we came up with the numbers
[1:03:54] and and just saying
[1:03:56] they were born from somewhere just like
[1:03:58] the two hours was born from somewhere
[1:04:00] and is that the standards across the
[1:04:02] United States in short-term rentals if
[1:04:04] there is a standard of type of rental.
[1:04:07] >> Council member Dugan, that's a great
[1:04:08] » Council member Dugan, that's a great
[1:04:08] question. I am not sure where the
[1:04:10] numbers came from. I'm not sure if
[1:04:11] anyone up here uh has that information.
[1:04:14] >> We did look at other cities and what has
[1:04:16] » We did look at other cities and what has
[1:04:16] worked and what has not worked. Um this
[1:04:19] is where uh uh Katherine who I work with
[1:04:23] provided me that information that
[1:04:25] provide uh that showed me things that
[1:04:27] you know that worked in other cities and
[1:04:30] preventing this um no sea level and
[1:04:33] reducing it.
[1:04:34] >> And is in is it in Utah is it the 200
[1:04:37] » And is in is it in Utah is it the 200
[1:04:37] does like Park City or Moab have the 200
[1:04:39] night minimum on their places or
[1:04:45] uh in the areas that have a lot of
[1:04:47] short-term rentals?
[1:04:48] I I don't know if I have the information
[1:04:50] to that, but we can look into we'll look
[1:04:53] into it.
[1:04:53] >> Yeah. It just I'm just uh because
[1:04:56] » Yeah. It just I'm just uh because
[1:04:56] there's been a lot of we get a lot of
[1:04:57] questions like people are saying, "Hey,
[1:04:58] I got a short-term rental and you only
[1:05:00] allow me to work, you know, twothirds of
[1:05:02] the the nights of the year." And so my
[1:05:04] businesses closed more than any other
[1:05:07] business,
[1:05:09] uh, you know, in a year. some businesses
[1:05:12] close on a Sunday Monday and I'm closing
[1:05:14] for you know 100 plus days instead of
[1:05:16] that many or 100 you know 65 days. So
[1:05:20] that that's a question for me and then
[1:05:22] also just the two nights of the houses
[1:05:25] is that uh does other cities across the
[1:05:28] Wasatch front have similar restrictions
[1:05:31] or or u availability?
[1:05:35] Not not so much to
[1:05:39] fall in line with everybody else but
[1:05:40] also to understand where that boundary
[1:05:44] lies in this short-term rentals. We
[1:05:46] don't have numbers wise we have a lot of
[1:05:48] short-term rentals percentage of our
[1:05:50] home uh residencies it's low but numbers
[1:05:54] wise it's high so I just want to get
[1:05:56] that and how we also enforce both those
[1:06:00] two minimum
[1:06:02] how are we checking that one out again
[1:06:04] it's a it's an ordinance do we are we
[1:06:07] have a law but we have no way of
[1:06:09] enforcing it
[1:06:11] >> council member Dan do you only want Utah
[1:06:13] » council member Dan do you only want Utah
[1:06:13] cities or would you prefer Utah and
[1:06:16] other cities
[1:06:17] probably both Utah but also similar
[1:06:19] states. Yes. Yeah.
[1:06:20] >> Okay. We can provide that for you.
[1:06:21] » Okay. We can provide that for you.
[1:06:21] >> That'd be nice.
[1:06:26] » And then it looks like uh council member
[1:06:29] Napier Pierce and then uh Lua, do you
[1:06:32] have a comment?
[1:06:34] >> Okay, great.
[1:06:36] » Okay, great.
[1:06:36] >> Thank you so much. Uh how many
[1:06:38] » Thank you so much. Uh how many
[1:06:38] short-term rentals are in Salt Lake City
[1:06:40] right now?
[1:06:43] Uh, we've only issued two licenses since
[1:06:45] July 1st.
[1:06:47] >> Okay. Um,
[1:06:51] » Okay. Um,
[1:06:51] like you, I've been approached by a
[1:06:53] number of people who are very concerned
[1:06:55] about this. They made uh significant
[1:06:57] strategic investments to have a
[1:07:00] short-term rental as part of their
[1:07:02] financial portfolio. Um, I'm just it
[1:07:06] it's hard to gauge though what what the
[1:07:09] scale is and if we do need to tinker
[1:07:12] with this ordinance a little bit. Um,
[1:07:14] I'm wondering if you've explored um
[1:07:17] grandfathering in existing short-term
[1:07:19] rentals, the problem will be because we
[1:07:21] haven't licensed them before, we don't
[1:07:23] know really, right? Um, so I I don't
[1:07:28] know that I have a question. Thank you.
[1:07:31] [laughter]
[1:07:31] >> [gasps]
[1:07:32] » [gasps]
[1:07:32] >> Uh back to council member Wharton and
[1:07:34] » Uh back to council member Wharton and
[1:07:34] then uh Lua.
[1:07:36] >> So I I think
[1:07:40] » So I I think
[1:07:40] um given the housing shortage, given the
[1:07:43] fact that that we would prefer that
[1:07:46] these units be used for housing,
[1:07:50] especially I mean that's why we created
[1:07:52] the zones allowing a certain number, but
[1:07:56] overall the reason why we don't allow
[1:07:57] them citywide is because of the housing.
[1:08:00] Um, do we have any like
[1:08:05] estimates? [clears throat]
[1:08:06] Um, because you know there's I don't
[1:08:09] know that there would how there could be
[1:08:10] a formal way of measuring like how much
[1:08:13] it competes with
[1:08:15] um housing units. Do we know that from
[1:08:19] like other cities or studies or anything
[1:08:20] like that?
[1:08:24] » We don't have that, but we could try and
[1:08:26] find that.
[1:08:27] >> Yeah. Yeah. I wonder if any other cities
[1:08:29] » Yeah. Yeah. I wonder if any other cities
[1:08:29] have maybe that do allow it citywide.
[1:08:33] Um or I don't know how you would even
[1:08:36] like cross-check that data, but um I met
[1:08:40] with some constituents recently who um
[1:08:45] were who were operating one and who
[1:08:49] aren't in one of these zones where it's
[1:08:50] allowed. we talked about the housing
[1:08:52] issue um as one of the reasons uh or
[1:08:56] maybe the chief reason why it's not
[1:08:57] allowed citywide and they had that
[1:09:00] question just you know how much does it
[1:09:02] compete with housing um I mean I and the
[1:09:07] answer I gave
[1:09:09] and I know anecdotally is just um from
[1:09:13] ones that have been in my neighborhood
[1:09:14] or constituents that are that have
[1:09:17] called multiple times about units and I
[1:09:19] happen to know roughly what the unit
[1:09:23] looks like and how big it would be. And
[1:09:24] so like I can estimate what I think from
[1:09:27] anecdotes, but it would be nice to have
[1:09:29] more information if there's any way to
[1:09:32] get that. Um
[1:09:35] and then um I am a little concerned.
[1:09:39] Well, there's definitely more than two
[1:09:41] of these in Salt Lake City.
[1:09:43] um how can we make sure that people are
[1:09:46] going through the license
[1:09:48] program um or encouraging them to like
[1:09:52] will this be
[1:09:56] um I know we can't
[1:09:59] use because of the state law preeemption
[1:10:04] um and I haven't looked at the statute
[1:10:06] for a while. I wonder like does the
[1:10:08] wording in the statute preclude the city
[1:10:12] from
[1:10:13] um using a website to contact owners to
[1:10:17] tell them about the new licensing
[1:10:18] requirement? Would that be like allowed
[1:10:20] or would that run a foul of the the
[1:10:23] preeemption ordinance? Because if we can
[1:10:26] do that and just email those
[1:10:27] individuals,
[1:10:29] even if you know, not every single one
[1:10:32] of them responds, like I would imagine a
[1:10:34] significant number of them would want to
[1:10:36] come into compliance if they're in a
[1:10:38] legal they're in an area that's allowed
[1:10:40] and all that.
[1:10:44] So, Council Member Wharton, we could
[1:10:45] look at the language to see if there is
[1:10:47] any kind of prohibition. Uh, but I think
[1:10:48] what you're speaking to also speaks to
[1:10:50] sort of an educational outreach uh, type
[1:10:53] of campaign to ensure that perhaps
[1:10:55] there's incentives for people to get
[1:10:57] licensed and be on the right side of the
[1:10:59] ordinance. Certainly, we can have those
[1:11:01] discussions internally about the best
[1:11:02] ways to achieve that.
[1:11:04] >> Great. Thank you.
[1:11:06] » Great. Thank you.
[1:11:06] I just wanted to note because there are
[1:11:08] a number of questions that relate to
[1:11:10] enforcement that I think up until this
[1:11:13] point or up until June of this year,
[1:11:17] most of the enforcement and interaction
[1:11:19] resided within can and if the council
[1:11:22] the council has mentioned in the past
[1:11:24] that there were new enforcement officers
[1:11:26] added to the city um for this issue for
[1:11:30] short-term rental issues, those were in
[1:11:32] the department of community and
[1:11:34] neighborhoods. This ordinance now is a
[1:11:37] licensing requirement that has a
[1:11:38] different realm of enforcement that
[1:11:41] would be within finance and business
[1:11:42] licensing. So probably as the
[1:11:45] conversation proceeds, it would also
[1:11:46] help to just map out where different
[1:11:50] things would be how they would be
[1:11:52] enforced and by which department. Um,
[1:11:54] and so I just wanted to note that for
[1:11:56] the record and also clarity of who might
[1:11:59] follow up on some of the issues council
[1:12:01] members are raising.
[1:12:04] Thank you for that. Um I will just uh
[1:12:09] name that I what I think many of us feel
[1:12:12] is that we're balancing multiple
[1:12:13] interests here. We're balancing a real
[1:12:16] housing shortage and we're balancing a
[1:12:18] market and financial reality that
[1:12:20] short-term rentals exist. They are here.
[1:12:23] People use them along with the challenge
[1:12:25] of how do we know which ones are there
[1:12:27] and are they registering as short-term
[1:12:29] rentals and enforcement. Um, one part of
[1:12:32] the ordinance that I am in favor of is a
[1:12:35] requirement that there is somebody local
[1:12:38] uh to Salt Lake County who can
[1:12:40] immediately respond to requests. Um, I
[1:12:43] feel like that's a really important part
[1:12:45] of the ordinance to ensure both health
[1:12:47] and safety, but also to respond to
[1:12:49] nuisance complaints. Um, I know we've
[1:12:52] heard from a number of people on both
[1:12:53] sides of this issue, both those who are
[1:12:56] owners and operators of short-term
[1:12:57] rentals, but I've also heard from
[1:12:59] neighbors who said, "I'm glad that the
[1:13:02] city is trying to move in this direction
[1:13:04] because it has a real impact on
[1:13:06] neighborhoods um where these are
[1:13:08] operating either legally or illegally um
[1:13:11] outside of the zone. So I appreciate
[1:13:12] that we are moving towards hopefully
[1:13:15] finding uh a ground in which we can
[1:13:18] satisfy as many of these interests and
[1:13:20] concerns as possible.
[1:13:23] >> So in terms of next steps um what is the
[1:13:27] » So in terms of next steps um what is the
[1:13:27] council's preference? We could take the
[1:13:30] feedback that we've heard and work with
[1:13:32] the administration on some potential
[1:13:34] adjustments to the ordinance and then
[1:13:36] schedule it for another briefing
[1:13:38] probably in Augustish.
[1:13:42] Is that does that work or what?
[1:13:46] >> Council member Wharton.
[1:13:47] » Council member Wharton.
[1:13:47] >> I mean I don't I don't
[1:13:51] » I mean I don't I don't
[1:13:51] feel I guess does it can we move forward
[1:13:53] with these changes today or with these
[1:13:56] changes not today but like
[1:13:59] um with these updates or would we put
[1:14:01] these on hold because these are just to
[1:14:04] the fee schedule right?
[1:14:06] >> No the
[1:14:08] » No the
[1:14:08] I'll I'll start and then or go ahead
[1:14:10] Mark. No, you're uh uh beginning uh July
[1:14:13] 1, uh chapter 5.13 uh was published, so
[1:14:17] it is uh uh part of the uh city code.
[1:14:20] >> It is in effect,
[1:14:21] » It is in effect,
[1:14:21] >> right? Okay. The but
[1:14:24] » right? Okay. The but
[1:14:24] but we're revisiting it today and we're
[1:14:25] talking about additional changes.
[1:14:28] So, I'm wondering would the things that
[1:14:30] we're talking about today be on hold
[1:14:32] until additional changes come or can we
[1:14:33] move forward with them?
[1:14:35] >> The council would need to tell us what
[1:14:38] » The council would need to tell us what
[1:14:38] how you would like to proceed. I would
[1:14:40] like to move forward with these changes.
[1:14:44] I don't necessarily want to wait on
[1:14:45] these because we're we're trying to
[1:14:47] correct something that was inadvertently
[1:14:49] left out. I want to get that in as soon
[1:14:51] as possible
[1:14:53] >> and if there are future changes.
[1:14:55] » and if there are future changes.
[1:14:55] >> Yeah.
[1:14:57] » Yeah.
[1:14:57] >> There are some things for example like
[1:14:59] » There are some things for example like
[1:14:59] the twoight minimum was included in what
[1:15:01] went into effect July 1st. So where
[1:15:03] there's some interest on the council
[1:15:06] >> perhaps to change that.
[1:15:08] » perhaps to change that.
[1:15:08] >> Right. Would if you could just give us
[1:15:11] » Right. Would if you could just give us
[1:15:11] clarity on do you so do you want the
[1:15:13] twoight minimum to go forward until a
[1:15:16] ordinance amendment is brought back.
[1:15:18] >> Yes.
[1:15:19] » Yes.
[1:15:19] >> So you want what was put into effect
[1:15:21] » So you want what was put into effect
[1:15:21] July 1st to be fully in effect until
[1:15:24] changes. Thank you. Wholesale.
[1:15:26] >> Okay. Thank you.
[1:15:26] » Okay. Thank you.
[1:15:26] >> Thank you.
[1:15:28] » Thank you.
[1:15:28] >> Others.
[1:15:28] » Others.
[1:15:28] >> I think it would help to have a straw
[1:15:30] » I think it would help to have a straw
[1:15:30] poll from the council if that would be
[1:15:32] okay. just so that we're really clear on
[1:15:35] whether everyone is in agreement with
[1:15:36] that or whether we want to pick apart
[1:15:39] the different elements.
[1:15:41] >> Would you say it for me again? Because
[1:15:42] » Would you say it for me again? Because
[1:15:42] when I said it, Dan Dugan was shaking
[1:15:44] his head, but when you [laughter] said
[1:15:46] it,
[1:15:46] >> I was okay with it. So,
[1:15:49] » I was okay with it. So,
[1:15:49] >> well,
[1:15:50] » well,
[1:15:50] >> I was I was shaking my head because this
[1:15:52] » I was I was shaking my head because this
[1:15:52] is went into effect on July 1st. So,
[1:15:55] there's no change. We can't change
[1:15:56] anything right now because it just went
[1:15:58] into effect. So, we have to come back
[1:16:00] with a revised ordinance and go through
[1:16:04] that process on a revised ordinance. And
[1:16:05] I and I I'm okay with putting this in
[1:16:08] effect, but I also don't want to kick
[1:16:11] our discussion down too far because this
[1:16:14] is uh
[1:16:17] well, it's going to take effect for a
[1:16:18] little while. Well, there's only
[1:16:20] >> two locations that actually have
[1:16:23] » two locations that actually have
[1:16:23] licenses, so it's going to affect two
[1:16:24] businesses legally at this point. So, I
[1:16:28] I'm okay with going in effect now, but
[1:16:29] let's look at our changes that the
[1:16:31] questions we have. We have a bunch of
[1:16:32] questions. Let's get those answers. So,
[1:16:33] then we can say, "Hey, we'll keep what
[1:16:35] we have or we want to modify it with a
[1:16:38] new ordinance."
[1:16:39] >> I do think we would need to hear from
[1:16:41] » I do think we would need to hear from
[1:16:41] the administration if that's possible.
[1:16:43] Like, so a license would be issued to
[1:16:46] anyone coming in to get it now under
[1:16:48] certain regulations. And then when you
[1:16:51] pass an ordinance amendment, would those
[1:16:54] licenses automatically have new
[1:16:57] regulations attached to them? Do you
[1:16:59] know what I mean? Like I think we just
[1:17:00] need some clarity on if that's possible.
[1:17:03] Well, and this is the reason why I would
[1:17:07] like to go forward the way that I had
[1:17:09] proposed is that I think if we decide to
[1:17:12] eliminate like a twoight minimum,
[1:17:17] you know, it doesn't matter whether
[1:17:18] they're already licensed or not or we
[1:17:20] decide to eliminate a 200 night cap, it
[1:17:22] doesn't matter whether they're licensed
[1:17:23] or not. And I don't want to send the
[1:17:27] mixed message to
[1:17:29] um owners of these units that like oh
[1:17:33] the council passed something and then
[1:17:35] they thought about making more changes.
[1:17:37] So I don't know do I wait now or do I do
[1:17:39] like I want people to come and start
[1:17:41] getting licenses now while the while
[1:17:44] it's in the news while it's in the
[1:17:46] conversation and if we subsequently make
[1:17:48] changes then um based on what I've heard
[1:17:52] today
[1:17:54] those changes would would just remove
[1:17:57] some of the existing regulations, not
[1:17:59] add new ones.
[1:18:03] » Can I council member Warton, can I ask
[1:18:06] you though,
[1:18:08] maybe it's just
[1:18:11] such a high level symbolic concern. Do
[1:18:14] you think I I hear you and I share your
[1:18:16] eagerness for people to register and to
[1:18:19] get their business licenses, but we've
[1:18:21] clearly pointed out here that there's
[1:18:24] very very flawed mechanisms for
[1:18:26] enforcement, if any at all, and the
[1:18:29] ordinance needs to work. Do you think it
[1:18:31] damages our credibility if we've already
[1:18:34] admitted that we can't enforce on this
[1:18:36] ordinance to be recruiting people? Like
[1:18:39] I I think we should tighten up some of
[1:18:42] these holes and then do a comprehensive
[1:18:46] sweep trying to get people to register,
[1:18:48] but that also might just be like some
[1:18:51] like hypothetical highle, you know,
[1:18:54] preference for when we might get the
[1:18:57] most. I don't know. I'm open to your
[1:18:58] feedback on it. I mean, to me, it it
[1:19:05] may have been ideal to do that at one
[1:19:07] point, but now, you know, I've already
[1:19:10] had multiple people, you know, I
[1:19:12] mentioned constituent meetings. I've
[1:19:13] already had um constituents reach out
[1:19:16] with questions. I've already talked to
[1:19:17] community councils about it. Like, the
[1:19:18] cat's out of the bag. Um, and even
[1:19:22] though I know on a lot of these we don't
[1:19:25] have an
[1:19:28] um maybe like an investigation
[1:19:31] mechanism, but I would
[1:19:33] disagree that we don't have an
[1:19:34] enforcement mechanism because if
[1:19:36] somebody does make a report um to the
[1:19:39] city and we do find that that they're,
[1:19:41] you know, violating some of these terms,
[1:19:43] then they could we could not renew. Um,
[1:19:48] you know, we might I I said the last
[1:19:50] time we talked about this, I wish we had
[1:19:52] a lot more regulatory authority. I
[1:19:54] thought we I wish we had a lot more
[1:19:57] local control over this. Um, I
[1:20:00] understand it's not
[1:20:02] a national monument, but I do think we
[1:20:05] should be able to have some control over
[1:20:08] these things in the housing crisis. And
[1:20:10] so, um,
[1:20:14] so I would like to be able to use the
[1:20:16] tools that we have and and be able to
[1:20:18] move forward when there are repeated
[1:20:20] nuisances or when there are reports that
[1:20:22] the rules are being violated.
[1:20:24] I I think it actually could be worse if
[1:20:27] we kind of do this like multi-phase roll
[1:20:30] out.
[1:20:31] So,
[1:20:33] but Council Member Wharton, I mean, you
[1:20:35] were asking how many housing units were
[1:20:38] would be displaced by short-term
[1:20:41] rentals. I mean, do you think there's a
[1:20:44] a need for a little bit more data?
[1:20:49] Could we continue to refine this as we
[1:20:54] um even though it's enforceable now?
[1:20:56] Right.
[1:20:57] >> Right. But I think we can't um
[1:21:01] » Right. But I think we can't um
[1:21:01] I think it's the the I mean, correct me
[1:21:05] if I'm wrong, Mark, but
[1:21:09] the either you're in the zone now where
[1:21:11] you can do it or you're not. And whether
[1:21:14] or not people are coming forward and
[1:21:16] getting their license when they should
[1:21:18] or shouldn't, like that's not going to
[1:21:21] change. Um because if we were to to
[1:21:25] limit the zones where we allow them now,
[1:21:28] like that's already a problem, right?
[1:21:31] Because they would say this is something
[1:21:33] I've been allowed to do. You're you're
[1:21:34] interfering with my business. You're you
[1:21:36] know, so I think that that
[1:21:40] again to to reuse the cats out of the
[1:21:42] bag analogy, like they're they're
[1:21:44] already permitted where they are and
[1:21:46] those businesses that are operating are
[1:21:47] already operating um whether they have
[1:21:50] the paper or not. And so I think that if
[1:21:52] we were to to limit the number or limit
[1:21:55] the zones like we're not going to save
[1:21:58] oursel any headache because
[1:22:01] they're going to have the same you know
[1:22:02] substantively their complaints are the
[1:22:04] same which is that I was allowed to do
[1:22:06] this and now I'm not.
[1:22:11] » So I'm hearing we have a lot of things
[1:22:13] before us and possibly some some mixed
[1:22:15] feelings um among us on the on the
[1:22:18] council. Uh, Lua, I would be curious if
[1:22:20] you would be willing to restate that
[1:22:22] straw poll. Um, just so we can uh get a
[1:22:26] gauge of where we we are.
[1:22:29] >> Um,
[1:22:31] » Um,
[1:22:31] of course I will try. Um, thank you. So,
[1:22:34] what the council approved that was
[1:22:36] published on July 1st would be in
[1:22:39] effect.
[1:22:41] And if the council wanted to consider
[1:22:43] some amendments that we would return to
[1:22:46] you with those amendments for a future
[1:22:48] briefing and an a new ordinance that you
[1:22:52] could adopt to make changes,
[1:22:55] but until that time, what was approved
[1:22:57] July or and published July 1 would be in
[1:23:00] effect.
[1:23:02] >> Yes.
[1:23:03] » Yes.
[1:23:03] Is that your straw pole?
[1:23:04] >> Mhm.
[1:23:05] » Mhm.
[1:23:05] >> That's a straw poll. All right. Show
[1:23:07] » That's a straw poll. All right. Show
[1:23:07] your feelings. [laughter]
[1:23:09] >> Thank you.
[1:23:09] » Thank you.
[1:23:09] >> Chris's straw poll.
[1:23:12] » Chris's straw poll.
[1:23:12] >> Council member Young Petro.
[1:23:14] » Council member Young Petro.
[1:23:14] >> I'm a thumbs up.
[1:23:17] » I'm a thumbs up.
[1:23:17] >> I'm okay with that. Yes.
[1:23:19] » I'm okay with that. Yes.
[1:23:20] >> Okay.
[1:23:20] » Okay.
[1:23:20] >> Yeah.
[1:23:22] » Yeah.
[1:23:22] >> Hopefully that provides a little bit of
[1:23:24] » Hopefully that provides a little bit of
[1:23:24] direction um for the future of this.
[1:23:27] >> I think so. I look
[1:23:29] » I think so. I look
[1:23:29] >> Okay.
[1:23:29] » Okay.
[1:23:29] >> Thank you, Council Me.
[1:23:30] » Thank you, Council Me.
[1:23:30] >> Thank you, staff, and thank you, council
[1:23:32] » Thank you, staff, and thank you, council
[1:23:32] members. and council staff for helping
[1:23:34] us move through that that muddled
[1:23:36] process.
[1:23:38] Um, we are now moving on to our next
[1:23:41] item, which is uh item five, uh,
[1:23:44] ordinance, a six-year capital asset
[1:23:47] plan. Uh, we'll be joined at the table
[1:23:49] by Kate, council policy analyst. Um, and
[1:23:52] Mike Atkinson, Mike Atkinson, capital
[1:23:55] asset planning manager.
[1:24:04] Thanks. We're actually going to have
[1:24:06] Mary, Beth, and and Rachel here with us,
[1:24:10] and Mike is here for questions. So, we
[1:24:13] have a whole team for this. Um, the
[1:24:17] capital asset plan or CAP plan as you
[1:24:21] will be hearing it referred to provides
[1:24:23] details and prioritiz prioritization
[1:24:25] guidance for the general plan capital
[1:24:28] asset needs for fiscal years 2027
[1:24:31] through 2032.
[1:24:33] Finance, the mayor's office and city
[1:24:35] departments have been working
[1:24:37] extensively to create this proposed $
[1:24:39] 1.5 billion six-year capital asset plan.
[1:24:44] The plan provides overall picture of the
[1:24:46] future general fund spending on
[1:24:47] extensive maintenance, expansion, and
[1:24:49] new improvements. Improvements outlined
[1:24:52] in the CAP plan include areas such as
[1:24:54] streets, bridges, buildings, parks,
[1:24:56] traffic lights, sidewalks, and other
[1:24:59] public areas. Um, the CAT plan is
[1:25:02] located in the CIP book or the capital
[1:25:05] improvement book, which you received
[1:25:07] along with the mayor's recommended
[1:25:09] budget book and is available online as
[1:25:12] well. If adopted, the CAT plan will be
[1:25:14] updated annually um and it is proposed
[1:25:18] to be updated at the same time as the
[1:25:20] CIP um project allocations um on August
[1:25:24] 25th. Couple policy considerations for
[1:25:27] you to consider. potentially discussing
[1:25:29] metrics to measure the CAT plan success
[1:25:32] as it's implemented and also this
[1:25:35] council may discuss if the proposed
[1:25:38] projects equitably serve the city and if
[1:25:41] any neighborhood areas need attention.
[1:25:43] With that, I'll turn it over to Mary
[1:25:45] Beth.
[1:25:47] >> Thank you, council. Can you please um
[1:25:49] » Thank you, council. Can you please um
[1:25:50] bring up the capital asset plan
[1:25:51] PowerPoint?
[1:25:58] Thank you. Um, next slide, please.
[1:26:03] » Good afternoon, council. I'm excited to
[1:26:05] share the capital asset plan with you.
[1:26:08] This plan has taken three years to
[1:26:09] complete, and I'm incredibly proud of
[1:26:12] what the city has accomplished. I want
[1:26:14] to begin by thanking staff across the
[1:26:16] entire organization for their
[1:26:18] contribution in bringing this plan
[1:26:20] forward today. The development and
[1:26:22] project management of this plan truly
[1:26:24] moved through all four stages of team
[1:26:26] formation described by Bruce Tucker.
[1:26:30] So you can look it up. And I know this
[1:26:33] sounds a little formal and not like me,
[1:26:35] but I kind of wanted to do this um
[1:26:37] because I I am truly proud of this. With
[1:26:40] the outstanding support of IMS's project
[1:26:43] manager Liz Buer, we built a strong team
[1:26:45] and produced a comprehensive plan that
[1:26:48] we are pleased to present to you. We are
[1:26:50] presenting a six-year general fund
[1:26:53] capital asset roadmap built around two
[1:26:55] core priorities. Protecting and renewing
[1:26:58] our existing capital assets and making
[1:27:01] targeted investments to support growth
[1:27:03] and service needs. This plan establishes
[1:27:07] a matrix that guides prioritization and
[1:27:10] funding alignment for general fund
[1:27:12] capital asset. It also provides a
[1:27:14] framework that will help the general
[1:27:16] fund prioritize the CIP projects that
[1:27:19] come forward for review. Next slide,
[1:27:22] please.
[1:27:31] So, I kind of wanted to give you the
[1:27:33] current landscape of um the CIP. So,
[1:27:37] $165 million is in the CIP fund as of
[1:27:41] December 2025. That includes funding
[1:27:44] sources from the general fund, funding
[1:27:46] our future, transportation fund, class
[1:27:48] C, impact B, bond fund proceeds, and 29
[1:27:53] million of encumbered funds. This
[1:27:55] represents 437 appropriation and budget
[1:27:58] line items and supports more than 600
[1:28:01] general fund projects. Next slide,
[1:28:04] please.
[1:28:09] When developing the new capital asset
[1:28:11] plan, we had to consider how it would
[1:28:13] inform the general fund and define the
[1:28:15] primary roles of the plan. That process
[1:28:18] led us to create the flowchart shown
[1:28:20] here.
[1:28:21] So when we were going through this, we
[1:28:24] wanted to make sure that we encompassed
[1:28:26] the whole thing and that the capital
[1:28:28] asset plan fed into the CIP plan, but we
[1:28:31] also needed to ensure that all master
[1:28:34] plans fed into the capital asset plan so
[1:28:37] we didn't leave that out. So that's what
[1:28:38] this is showing you here is the master
[1:28:40] plans um uh six-year division and the
[1:28:45] capital maintenance program go into the
[1:28:47] capital asset plan and CRA and public
[1:28:50] utilities create their input into this
[1:28:53] which goes to the cap committee. Um the
[1:28:57] CAP committee is comprised of every
[1:28:59] department including public utilities
[1:29:01] and CRA because we wanted it holistic
[1:29:03] and making sure that we were not um
[1:29:06] stepping on anyone's toes and also
[1:29:08] making sure that we were not bringing
[1:29:11] forth a project to you in CIP that
[1:29:14] public utilities didn't have on their
[1:29:16] plan for 10 years. And we've seen it and
[1:29:18] I've seen it several times. So, we
[1:29:20] wanted to make sure it's
[1:29:21] all-encompassing and that the entire
[1:29:23] capital asset committee approved um
[1:29:27] these projects in the CIP as we move
[1:29:29] them forward. And then those capital the
[1:29:31] cap committee votes, they put it to the
[1:29:33] CDCIP board, the CDCIP board ranks it
[1:29:36] and then it comes to the mayor's office
[1:29:38] and then to you.
[1:29:40] Any questions on that process? Great.
[1:29:46] The exe executive summ provides a highle
[1:29:49] overview of the types of projects
[1:29:51] including included in the plan
[1:29:53] indicating whether each project is a
[1:29:55] replacement, an improvement, or a new
[1:29:57] asset. Across the entire six-year
[1:29:59] period, the total costs is $1.5 billion.
[1:30:03] The plan will be updated annually to
[1:30:06] ensure it continues to meet the needs of
[1:30:08] the general fund.
[1:30:10] And I'll just give you a little bit of
[1:30:12] time to look this over. This is also in
[1:30:14] the CIP book. It's at the back of the
[1:30:16] book. Um, like I said, we're very proud
[1:30:20] of this plan. Any questions on this
[1:30:23] slide?
[1:30:25] >> Council members?
[1:30:27] » Council members?
[1:30:27] >> Council member Young, anything coming up
[1:30:29] » Council member Young, anything coming up
[1:30:29] for you so far?
[1:30:32] >> No, I will um I guess reflect it is very
[1:30:35] » No, I will um I guess reflect it is very
[1:30:35] well done. Um, and probably um to the
[1:30:39] point that it deserves a little more
[1:30:41] review before commenting on any
[1:30:43] specifics. So, thank you.
[1:30:48] Next slide. Go ahead.
[1:30:51] >> I like that slide too. We can thank we
[1:30:53] » I like that slide too. We can thank we
[1:30:53] can thank um the um graphic design team
[1:30:57] and helping us with that slide.
[1:31:02] So this is just a different view. It's
[1:31:04] showing it from fiscal year 2027 to
[1:31:07] fiscal year 2020 or 2032 and the
[1:31:10] six-year totals by buildings, parks, and
[1:31:12] transportation. And you noticed we put
[1:31:14] them in different buckets than say
[1:31:17] impact fees, right? Impact fees is fire,
[1:31:19] police, transportation, and parks.
[1:31:23] Fire and police mainly are buildings.
[1:31:25] Fire has some um equipment that they're
[1:31:29] allowed to do for impact fees. But for
[1:31:31] the most part, capital assets for the
[1:31:33] general fund are buildings, parks, and
[1:31:35] transportation or streets.
[1:31:41] Any question on that slide?
[1:31:44] Next slide, please.
[1:31:49] So, we want to talk a little bit about
[1:31:51] the revenues. Um, we've discussed this
[1:31:53] with you before, but kind of the
[1:31:54] revenues that contribute to the um
[1:31:58] capital asset plan and to CIP. So, those
[1:32:01] funding sources are class C, the general
[1:32:03] fund, impact fees, and the
[1:32:05] transportation fund. The transportation
[1:32:07] fund consists of both the fourth of the
[1:32:09] fourth and the quarter of the quarter.
[1:32:11] These projections are based on the 2%
[1:32:13] inflationary factor. Um the general fund
[1:32:16] portion also includes the funding our
[1:32:18] future because technically it is general
[1:32:20] fund monies. This does not include bonds
[1:32:23] and does not include grants in these
[1:32:24] projections.
[1:32:26] As you can see the amount is not $1.5
[1:32:30] billion.
[1:32:33] Next slide please.
[1:32:37] So this shows the variance in the
[1:32:39] capital assets um by existing assets,
[1:32:43] improvements in new assets and the
[1:32:46] revenues that we receive and then the
[1:32:48] projected shortfall
[1:32:50] over the six-year period of time.
[1:32:54] Very um
[1:32:57] very telling and we've never had this
[1:33:00] data before, but this is very telling
[1:33:01] data. So
[1:33:03] that's all I have for you.
[1:33:06] Council, do you have any questions of
[1:33:07] us?
[1:33:08] >> Council members, uh, anybody online, any
[1:33:12] » Council members, uh, anybody online, any
[1:33:12] questions?
[1:33:16] » None here. Thank you.
[1:33:18] >> Council members in the room, questions,
[1:33:20] » Council members in the room, questions,
[1:33:20] comments, 1.5 billion hanging out in
[1:33:23] your back pocket somewhere.
[1:33:31] Well done.
[1:33:33] Now I have a lot of more homework, but
[1:33:36] well done.
[1:33:38] >> Yeah, I have to say that this, you know,
[1:33:39] » Yeah, I have to say that this, you know,
[1:33:40] like I said, this wasn't just the
[1:33:41] finance department. This was, you know,
[1:33:45] I've been with the city for quite a
[1:33:46] while and this was the best project that
[1:33:50] I have seen come together citywide with
[1:33:53] all of the departments. It was amazing.
[1:33:55] It was amazing and I'm very proud of it.
[1:33:58] Um, I think you should be proud of it.
[1:34:00] Um, we've been trying to do a capital
[1:34:03] asset plan since before I was the CFO.
[1:34:06] Um, so like I said, I think the city in
[1:34:09] general should be completely proud of
[1:34:11] this. So, thank you.
[1:34:17] » Thank you so much to um everyone who was
[1:34:19] involved in putting forward this plan.
[1:34:21] And it is a sobering plan uh as we see
[1:34:24] the path ahead of us, but I'm grateful
[1:34:26] that um we have such a comprehensive
[1:34:29] path forward. Maybe not a path forward
[1:34:31] to fully funding um the plan and
[1:34:34] addressing all of the needs, whether
[1:34:36] they're new or existing um or
[1:34:39] maintenance, but I appreciate that now
[1:34:41] we have a scope of the challenge before
[1:34:43] us and can begin to move accordingly.
[1:34:46] All right, without any other questions
[1:34:48] or comments, I think uh that concludes
[1:34:50] this portion of the agenda. Thank you.
[1:34:52] And thank you to everybody who worked on
[1:34:54] this plan.
[1:34:56] Okay, I'm going to keep marching us
[1:34:58] forward um to uh item six, which is
[1:35:01] closely connected, of course, to capital
[1:35:03] asset plan. Um that's a c a resolution
[1:35:06] regarding the capital improvement plan.
[1:35:08] Kate is our frequent flyer uh at the
[1:35:10] table and will provide a brief
[1:35:12] introduction. Um uh is Rachel here? Yes.
[1:35:15] Yep. And Rachel will stay also at the
[1:35:17] table. Um, CIP program manager. Kate,
[1:35:20] over to you.
[1:35:20] >> Great. Thank you. So, annually the
[1:35:23] » Great. Thank you. So, annually the
[1:35:23] council appropriates overall funding as
[1:35:25] part of the annual budget um to the CIP
[1:35:29] or capital improvement program. And then
[1:35:32] before September 1st, you make specific
[1:35:35] proper project allocations. This is the
[1:35:38] first briefing of several to get you to
[1:35:41] where you feel comfortable with your
[1:35:43] project allocations. Um CIP is an open
[1:35:46] and competitive process where residents,
[1:35:49] local organizations and city departments
[1:35:51] submit project applications and these
[1:35:55] applications are reviewed first by a
[1:35:58] residential advisory committee and then
[1:36:01] by the mayor. Um those recommendations
[1:36:03] have been provided to you. You get to
[1:36:05] review them, make your own
[1:36:06] recommendations and move forward with
[1:36:09] your decisions. Uh today we will have a
[1:36:12] presentation from finance regarding the
[1:36:14] CIP process. Next, any questions you may
[1:36:17] have, key projects you'd like to discuss
[1:36:20] and possibly if we want to, but we
[1:36:24] really don't need to. Um start looking
[1:36:26] at the the funding log. And with that,
[1:36:29] I'll turn it over to Rachel.
[1:36:32] >> Thank you. Um, good evening and
[1:36:34] » Thank you. Um, good evening and
[1:36:34] [clears throat] thank you for the
[1:36:35] opportunity to present the fiscal year
[1:36:37] 2026 2027 capital improvement projects
[1:36:40] budget. Um, I'm Rachel Molinari. I'm the
[1:36:43] capital improvement program manager. Um,
[1:36:46] today I'm going to provide a brief
[1:36:47] overview of the CIP program. The um
[1:36:51] highlight several accomplishments and
[1:36:53] process improvements from the past year
[1:36:56] and walk through the FY27 applications,
[1:36:59] the available funding, and the mayor's
[1:37:01] recommended projects.
[1:37:03] Next slide.
[1:37:06] The capital asset planning team is part
[1:37:08] of the finance department and consists
[1:37:10] of five full-time staff members. Our
[1:37:13] team manages the city's capital asset
[1:37:15] plan and the annual uh capital
[1:37:18] improvement program from beginning to
[1:37:20] end. This includes soliciting um and
[1:37:24] reviewing applications, coordinating
[1:37:26] with departments, supporting the
[1:37:27] evaluation process
[1:37:31] um
[1:37:33] [snorts]
[1:37:36] sorry um
[1:37:39] preparing funding recommendations and
[1:37:41] assisting the council through the final
[1:37:43] um budget allocation. We also oversee
[1:37:46] the capital budgeting, forecasting,
[1:37:48] reporting, project tracking, and
[1:37:51] financial compliance within workday.
[1:37:54] In addition, our team manages the city's
[1:37:56] impact fee program and provides staff
[1:37:58] support for the capital asset planning
[1:38:00] committee and the community development
[1:38:02] and capital improvement program, CDCIP
[1:38:05] board. Our overall goal is to provide
[1:38:09] reliable financial analysis and a
[1:38:11] coordinated transport uh transparent
[1:38:13] process that helps align the city's
[1:38:16] capital investments with its longtime
[1:38:19] long-term priorities.
[1:38:22] Next term. Next slide.
[1:38:26] We have identified several um meaningful
[1:38:29] opportunities to uh opportunities to
[1:38:31] improve efficiency during this year's
[1:38:33] process. Um, the CDC IP board was the
[1:38:37] first city board or commission to use AI
[1:38:40] to assist with drafting meeting minutes.
[1:38:43] Um, so we still review and finalize the
[1:38:46] minutes, but um, these initial drafts
[1:38:49] have saved a tremendous amount of time
[1:38:51] for staff for each board meeting.
[1:38:55] Um the capital asset planning committee
[1:38:57] also completed its project
[1:38:59] presentations, scoring and deliberations
[1:39:02] more quickly than it has in the previous
[1:39:05] uh previous two years. Um and that's
[1:39:08] because the committee members now have a
[1:39:10] deeper understanding of how the process
[1:39:12] works and the um the procedures have
[1:39:16] become more standardized. Um and this is
[1:39:20] um as the as the process becomes more
[1:39:22] established, we just im uh expect more
[1:39:25] efficiencies in the future years.
[1:39:28] Next slide.
[1:39:32] Um as Mary Beth highlighted, one of our
[1:39:34] team's most significant accomplishments
[1:39:36] um was leading the development of the
[1:39:39] city's first capital asset plan. Um but
[1:39:43] we we also updated uh title 57 chapter
[1:39:46] 10 which establishes the city's capital
[1:39:49] asset management policy and governs the
[1:39:52] annual CIP process and the role of the
[1:39:55] capital asset planning committee. Um the
[1:39:58] CAP committee charter was updated to
[1:40:00] streamline the um the membership the
[1:40:03] meetings and the procedures.
[1:40:06] And we also researched potential updates
[1:40:08] to the city's CIP guiding policies in
[1:40:11] resolution 29. Um and the CAP committee
[1:40:15] has endorsed several proposed changes
[1:40:18] which are now moving through um
[1:40:20] additional review.
[1:40:22] The um
[1:40:24] potential updates to resolution 29
[1:40:27] include um updates to the city's cost
[1:40:30] overrun policy and additional um project
[1:40:33] priorit prioritization criteria related
[1:40:36] to water and energy conservation and
[1:40:39] other city objectives.
[1:40:42] Next slide.
[1:40:44] Um, Mary Beth already covered this
[1:40:46] slide, so um, unless there's more
[1:40:50] questions on it, we can skip it.
[1:40:53] Um, the capital asset planning committee
[1:40:56] provides a cross departmental uh,
[1:40:59] guidance for the city's capital asset
[1:41:01] plan and CIP.
[1:41:03] The committee reviews internal um, city
[1:41:06] capital project requests before they
[1:41:08] move on to the CDC IP board.
[1:41:11] Um
[1:41:14] and they uh they score and rank those
[1:41:17] requests using the established
[1:41:19] evaluation criteria and advise on
[1:41:22] broader capital planning, management and
[1:41:24] policy matters. Uh because this
[1:41:26] committee
[1:41:28] includes representatives from
[1:41:30] departments throughout the city. It
[1:41:31] provides a coordinated citywide
[1:41:34] perspective rather than evaluating
[1:41:35] projects only within one individual
[1:41:38] department priority. Um and so this
[1:41:40] structure supports the transparency,
[1:41:42] collaboration and datadriven
[1:41:44] recommendations
[1:41:45] um to the board, to the mayor and to the
[1:41:47] council. Next slide.
[1:41:52] This slide shows the departments and
[1:41:53] divisions represented on the committee.
[1:41:56] Um, I won't read everyone off, but um,
[1:42:00] there are voting and non- voting
[1:42:02] representatives from finance, the
[1:42:04] mayor's office, can public services,
[1:42:06] public lands, fire, IMS, public
[1:42:09] utilities, economic development,
[1:42:11] sustainability, the CRA, police, and the
[1:42:14] attorney's office. Um, and again, this
[1:42:18] this broad representation is important
[1:42:20] because capital projects often um affect
[1:42:22] several departments.
[1:42:25] And this this structure allows the city
[1:42:27] to consider financial, operational,
[1:42:29] legal, and infrastructure
[1:42:32] um and community impacts together while
[1:42:36] evaluating projects.
[1:42:38] Next slide.
[1:42:42] Um this map is so now we're we're
[1:42:45] getting into FY27 specific information.
[1:42:49] Um this slide shows the geographic
[1:42:51] distribution of all of the applications
[1:42:54] we received this year. It provides a
[1:42:56] useful um visual representation where
[1:42:59] capital investments have been requested
[1:43:01] throughout the city. And it's kind of
[1:43:04] hard to see on there, but there is a
[1:43:06] concentration of dots along the highways
[1:43:09] um there that that represents citywide
[1:43:12] projects um as opposed to a location
[1:43:14] with just one specific um site.
[1:43:18] And the link is publicly available on
[1:43:22] the slide there.
[1:43:25] Next slide.
[1:43:29] For FY27, the city received a total of
[1:43:32] 74 applications. Uh 32 of those were
[1:43:35] internal city applications and 42 were
[1:43:37] submitted by constituents.
[1:43:40] Um together those applications requested
[1:43:42] approximately $58 million in funding
[1:43:46] and the mayor's recommended budget
[1:43:48] includes 25 projects totaling
[1:43:50] approximately 34.8 million.
[1:43:54] Five of the recommended projects are
[1:43:56] constituent applications totaling
[1:43:58] approximately 2.3 million in recommended
[1:44:01] funding. Next slide.
[1:44:07] Uh this chart breaks down the request by
[1:44:10] department and division. Um public lands
[1:44:12] and transportation represent the largest
[1:44:14] shares of uh requested funding followed
[1:44:17] by engineering facilities, streets and
[1:44:20] fire.
[1:44:22] Next slide.
[1:44:26] The constituent applications um there
[1:44:29] was a total request for 19.8 8 million
[1:44:32] in funding and transportation related
[1:44:35] projects represent slightly more than
[1:44:37] half of that that funding requested and
[1:44:40] public lands and engineering projects um
[1:44:44] represent approximately a quarter of
[1:44:47] that total amount. Next slide.
[1:44:52] >> Council member N.
[1:44:53] » Council member N.
[1:44:53] >> I just had a very quick question. So the
[1:44:56] » I just had a very quick question. So the
[1:44:56] previous slide,
[1:44:58] how does that compare to previous years?
[1:45:01] Um it's it's in line. There's always
[1:45:04] around
[1:45:06] I I would say between 30 and 60
[1:45:08] constituent applications. Um projects
[1:45:11] have gotten more um expensive. So I
[1:45:14] would have to research more on that
[1:45:16] dollar amount, but it's in line with
[1:45:18] what we see in
[1:45:19] >> I just meant proportion of
[1:45:20] » I just meant proportion of
[1:45:20] transportation to public lands and
[1:45:22] things. Okay.
[1:45:23] >> Yeah, I think it I think it's on track.
[1:45:24] » Yeah, I think it I think it's on track.
[1:45:24] There's always um traffic coming related
[1:45:28] requests that we see and that that is
[1:45:29] the majority of requests that come in.
[1:45:34] Um next slide.
[1:45:38] Uh here we have the internal um request
[1:45:41] for 38.2 million. Um public lands
[1:45:45] represents the largest portion of that
[1:45:47] followed by transportation facilities,
[1:45:50] streets, engineering and fire.
[1:45:53] Um, sorry, just to interrupt. It looks
[1:45:55] like Council Member Young has a question
[1:45:56] online. Council member Young,
[1:46:00] >> thank you. Sorry to disrupt. Going back
[1:46:04] » thank you. Sorry to disrupt. Going back
[1:46:04] to the map that you showed, is the map
[1:46:07] comprehensive of all the proposals or is
[1:46:10] it just those that are recommended?
[1:46:14] >> It's all the applications received.
[1:46:17] » It's all the applications received.
[1:46:17] >> Okay.
[1:46:19] » Okay.
[1:46:19] I'll I'll follow up. I I think I have a
[1:46:21] I have a couple of constituent
[1:46:23] applications that I'm not seeing and
[1:46:27] maybe I'm just looking in the wrong
[1:46:28] spot.
[1:46:29] >> Okay, sure.
[1:46:30] » Okay, sure.
[1:46:30] >> Okay.
[1:46:30] » Okay.
[1:46:30] >> Yeah, happy to answer any questions on
[1:46:32] » Yeah, happy to answer any questions on
[1:46:32] the map.
[1:46:33] >> Okay.
[1:46:37] » Okay. Um
[1:46:40] we can go to the next slide.
[1:46:44] Um the CIP budget um includes
[1:46:47] approximately 12.8 8 million um in
[1:46:50] ongoing expenses. Approximately 10.1
[1:46:53] supports existing bonds. Uh 2.5 million
[1:46:57] supports ongoing needs for leases,
[1:46:59] maintenance of facilities, urban trails,
[1:47:01] vacant and lease city uh property
[1:47:04] maintenance. And included on the bottom
[1:47:06] there uh are the yearly breakout of the
[1:47:09] special properties. Um all the details
[1:47:12] for the information in this chart are on
[1:47:15] in the CIP book uh pages 19 to 24
[1:47:21] and next slide.
[1:47:25] Um so there is 38 34.8 million in
[1:47:29] available funding this year. This slide
[1:47:31] shows the um breakdown by funding source
[1:47:35] uh leaving no remaining balance.
[1:47:40] Next slide.
[1:47:44] And um here we showed the mayor's
[1:47:46] recommended um allocation by department
[1:47:49] and applicant type. So um 93% of the
[1:47:53] recommended funding supports the
[1:47:54] internal city projects uh while seven
[1:47:57] approximately 7% supports the
[1:48:00] constituent projects and historically
[1:48:02] the constituent projects have received
[1:48:05] about 10% of total CIP funding in the
[1:48:08] past. So this is kind of um generally
[1:48:12] consistent with what with what um we've
[1:48:15] seen um the largest recommend uh
[1:48:19] recommended allocation um are associated
[1:48:23] with public lands and engineering
[1:48:25] followed by transportation and public
[1:48:27] services related projects.
[1:48:30] Next slide.
[1:48:33] Um this slide and the next slide show
[1:48:36] the uh projects recommended by the mayor
[1:48:39] in order of the CDC IP board's ranking.
[1:48:42] Um this first slide is the first 13
[1:48:46] projects.
[1:48:48] And then if we go into the next slide,
[1:48:50] it's the remaining ones. Um the light
[1:48:53] green is are the constituent projects.
[1:48:57] Um so like I mentioned before, there are
[1:49:00] five of them. Three of the five
[1:49:02] recommended projects focus on pedestrian
[1:49:05] and traffic safety near schools. Um and
[1:49:08] then the the final two projects on the
[1:49:10] list, the 6 million for Glendale Park
[1:49:13] and the 50,000 for bike racks were added
[1:49:18] um through the mayor's recommended
[1:49:19] budget. They were not applications um
[1:49:22] ranked by the advisory board.
[1:49:26] Uh next slide.
[1:49:28] [snorts]
[1:49:29] And then lastly, I do want to point out
[1:49:31] um our CDC IP board included um two
[1:49:35] contingencies with their recommendations
[1:49:38] to the mayor. Um the first being if
[1:49:40] additional funding was available, they
[1:49:42] wanted that funding to be allocated to
[1:49:44] projects in accordance with their ranked
[1:49:46] list. And if less funding um were the
[1:49:51] case, they wanted that um to be reduced
[1:49:54] proportionately across all recommended
[1:49:57] projects.
[1:49:58] Um they also opted to recommend full
[1:50:02] funding for fewer projects as opposed to
[1:50:04] using the approach of what we call
[1:50:07] spreading the peanut butter. Um and
[1:50:10] partially funding more projects with the
[1:50:13] limited funds available um and
[1:50:17] they also focus their constituent
[1:50:19] project recommendations
[1:50:21] um on safety projects near schools.
[1:50:25] Um,
[1:50:27] that's all that I have uh in my
[1:50:30] presentation. Happy to answer any
[1:50:32] questions that you guys have.
[1:50:35] Council members, any questions?
[1:50:40] Thank you for this um thorough review. I
[1:50:43] would like to and thank you to staff for
[1:50:45] printing off this um funding log for us.
[1:50:48] I'd like to um uh see if there's
[1:50:51] anything burning regarding this funding
[1:50:53] log that people would like to name um
[1:50:56] now, but also recognizing that we don't
[1:50:58] have a couple of our members here. So um
[1:51:02] would prefer that we avoid in-depth
[1:51:04] discussions of any one project at this
[1:51:05] point in time. How do folks feel about
[1:51:07] that?
[1:51:11] » I support.
[1:51:13] >> Okay. Okay. And we do have um a couple
[1:51:17] » Okay. Okay. And we do have um a couple
[1:51:17] more uh hearing or conversations
[1:51:20] scheduled for for these CIP projects.
[1:51:25] >> But any questions of uh staff right now
[1:51:27] » But any questions of uh staff right now
[1:51:27] before we Yeah.
[1:51:28] >> Yeah. No question. I just really
[1:51:30] » Yeah. No question. I just really
[1:51:30] appreciate the the over over uh view of
[1:51:32] the whole CIP program and stuff in in
[1:51:36] conjunction with the CAP plan. uh they
[1:51:39] it was really nice to see that uh and
[1:51:42] realize that your question about the
[1:51:44] constituents that has always been kind
[1:51:45] of a a pressing question how how should
[1:51:48] we divide up the funding for
[1:51:50] constituents or not and we've we've gone
[1:51:53] through that iteration a number of times
[1:51:55] but I and I'm always kind of want to
[1:51:57] relook at that do we we set aside money
[1:52:00] for constituents only projects and how
[1:52:02] do we grade them compared to the mayor's
[1:52:04] only because a lot of the transportation
[1:52:07] and engineering and public lands are
[1:52:09] projects that would constituents would
[1:52:11] also ask for, but these are like extras.
[1:52:14] So, it it's a great discussion, but it's
[1:52:16] I'm I'm appreciate the the history on
[1:52:18] some of the slides and also just the uh
[1:52:21] uh the breakdown of who gets what. So,
[1:52:26] thank you very much again. Appreciate
[1:52:27] it.
[1:52:30] Thank you so much. Okay, Kate gets to
[1:52:33] leave the table now. just [laughter]
[1:52:36] um all right, so we're a little ahead of
[1:52:38] schedule. Um hopefully that's not an
[1:52:41] issue. Um next up is a board
[1:52:44] appointment. Um item number seven. Uh
[1:52:48] this is for uh board appointment
[1:52:50] interviews for the community development
[1:52:52] um and capital improvement programs
[1:52:54] advisory board. So this is the advisory
[1:52:56] board that weighs in on exactly the CIP
[1:52:59] um uh uh projects and proposals that we
[1:53:03] heard about earlier. I'm wondering even
[1:53:05] though we are early do we have some
[1:53:07] folks online uh that we can begin to
[1:53:09] interview
[1:53:11] and we have one person in someone in
[1:53:13] person
[1:53:14] >> two I great overachievers I love this.
[1:53:20] » two I great overachievers I love this.
[1:53:20] So, I'm going to ask each of you to um I
[1:53:22] don't uh I don't know who's in the room,
[1:53:24] but we'll start over here. Uh your name.
[1:53:26] Uh go ahead and step forward and sh you
[1:53:29] have about a minute to
[1:53:30] >> bring all three together.
[1:53:31] » bring all three together.
[1:53:32] >> Yeah, let's bring all three up together.
[1:53:33] » Yeah, let's bring all three up together.
[1:53:33] Actually, that's a great suggestion.
[1:53:34] Yep. Take a seat.
[1:53:38] And um the way this will work is I would
[1:53:41] love to just
[1:53:43] >> Are you all here for the uh capital uh
[1:53:46] » Are you all here for the uh capital uh
[1:53:46] improvement uh advisory programs board?
[1:53:48] >> Yes. Oh, great. Okay, we're all in the
[1:53:50] » Yes. Oh, great. Okay, we're all in the
[1:53:50] right place. Excellent. Um would love
[1:53:53] for each of you to just take a minute um
[1:53:55] uh share your name and share, you know,
[1:53:58] why are you interested in serving on
[1:54:00] this board. We'll start with gentleman
[1:54:02] right here.
[1:54:02] >> Thank you. So, my name is Rob
[1:54:06] and I got interested in this. We do
[1:54:09] commercial landscape work,
[1:54:12] but uh we do commercial landscaping. So,
[1:54:16] >> make sure your microphone is on. Just
[1:54:17] » make sure your microphone is on. Just
[1:54:17] push the green the button.
[1:54:23] » Oh, there we go. Oh, I have a big
[1:54:25] booming voice. Sorry. Anyway, my name is
[1:54:28] Robert Eckles. I live in Sugar House. I
[1:54:30] work for a commercial landscape and snow
[1:54:31] removal company. And over the last gosh,
[1:54:34] I've been there for 16 years. I've
[1:54:36] gotten a chance to work with a lot of
[1:54:37] cities around the the valley with
[1:54:40] landscape projects. and it's kind of
[1:54:42] been on the back of my mind. Just
[1:54:43] interested in in how things run and what
[1:54:45] gets approved, what doesn't, what you're
[1:54:47] allowed to do, what you're not.
[1:54:48] Recently, I was involved in a couple of
[1:54:50] a little higher profile ones. One in
[1:54:52] Holiday with the city of Holiday for the
[1:54:53] Holiday Hills development with Woodbury
[1:54:56] and Milrock and then also one here in
[1:54:58] Salt Lake City uh that caused a lot of
[1:55:00] of problems at Trolley Square. It just
[1:55:02] there was a lot of emotion about that.
[1:55:05] But I got really involved with Tony with
[1:55:06] the city with trees urban forestry and
[1:55:09] had a chance to just kind of see how
[1:55:10] some of the process works on the
[1:55:12] backside and it was really interesting
[1:55:14] and I'm interested because I'm vested in
[1:55:16] Salt Lake. Um my family's vested here
[1:55:18] and I just want to I want to be a part
[1:55:21] of the decision-m process. I feel like I
[1:55:23] bring a lot of skill to this with just I
[1:55:26] mean I know you guys don't do just
[1:55:27] landscape but there are things that are
[1:55:28] improvements that I'd like to be a part
[1:55:30] of decision- making for budget reasons.
[1:55:32] So yeah, sorry I took more than a
[1:55:34] minute.
[1:55:35] >> No, that's perfect. Thank you so much,
[1:55:36] » No, that's perfect. Thank you so much,
[1:55:36] Mr. Eckles.
[1:55:41] » My name's Brooke Bin. I am an engineer
[1:55:44] living in Rose Park. And
[1:55:49] if not for Salt Lake City, I wouldn't
[1:55:53] have realized I was queer. And
[1:55:56] it feels like home to me, and I want it
[1:55:58] to be home for everyone.
[1:56:02] Thank you, Brooke.
[1:56:04] >> I'm Mitchell Roundy. I'm an attorney in
[1:56:07] » I'm Mitchell Roundy. I'm an attorney in
[1:56:07] uh Central City. Um I grew up in the
[1:56:11] Salt Lake Valley, lived in Salt Lake
[1:56:13] City proper for a couple of years now
[1:56:15] and I just love the city and I just very
[1:56:18] interested in giving back to my
[1:56:19] community and hearing uh what sort of
[1:56:21] ideas uh other me other members of the
[1:56:25] community have for community
[1:56:27] improvement.
[1:56:30] Thank you, Mitchell. I uh believe we
[1:56:32] have somebody who's also joining us
[1:56:34] online. Um Mai, uh would love for you to
[1:56:37] just take a minute uh introduce yourself
[1:56:40] um and share why you might be interested
[1:56:42] in serving on this board and then uh
[1:56:44] council member Young, I'll I'll be sure
[1:56:45] to uh bring your voice into the
[1:56:47] conversation as well. Mai.
[1:56:49] >> Okay. Uh good evening, council members.
[1:56:51] » Okay. Uh good evening, council members.
[1:56:51] My name is May Helms. I've lived in the
[1:56:54] avenues with my husband and two kids for
[1:56:56] the past 11 years. Um I'm recently I've
[1:57:01] really been excited about, you know, um
[1:57:03] being more involved locally. This was um
[1:57:06] after I had the opportunity to travel to
[1:57:08] Washington DC and advocate um for
[1:57:12] medical research and to talk with our
[1:57:14] representatives on how NIH dollars
[1:57:17] directly help our communities back home.
[1:57:19] I thought that this was incredibly
[1:57:20] rewarding and this experience is what
[1:57:23] sparked the desire in me to get more
[1:57:25] involved with this committee and more
[1:57:26] local projects. Thank you.
[1:57:30] >> Thank you so much. And uh Council Member
[1:57:32] » Thank you so much. And uh Council Member
[1:57:32] Young.
[1:57:34] >> Yeah, I just wanted to say thank you to
[1:57:36] » Yeah, I just wanted to say thank you to
[1:57:36] all of our individuals um for being
[1:57:40] willing to give your time and your
[1:57:41] expertise to Salt Lake City to be able
[1:57:44] to help inform what our next steps are.
[1:57:47] I will say is a a personal request. Um
[1:57:50] it was mentioned earlier by council
[1:57:52] member Dugan, but I think that one of
[1:57:55] the biggest challenges we have right now
[1:57:57] is that we have a really robust list of
[1:58:00] city projects and city needs and we also
[1:58:04] have a really great engagement from our
[1:58:07] community who were also identifying
[1:58:10] opportunities for improvement. And so we
[1:58:14] and me personally appreciate your lens
[1:58:18] to how we balance those two moving
[1:58:20] forward um in terms of both recognizing
[1:58:24] city priorities while also making sure
[1:58:28] we we continue to honor the voice of our
[1:58:31] constituents. So thank you again.
[1:58:33] Appreciate it and the opportunity to um
[1:58:36] you know share share a minor request.
[1:58:40] >> Thank you Council Member Young. Any um
[1:58:42] » Thank you Council Member Young. Any um
[1:58:42] other comments,
[1:58:46] questions?
[1:58:47] >> Um so what do you talk to me about um
[1:58:52] » Um so what do you talk to me about um
[1:58:52] you know being in the committee and
[1:58:55] advisory role? You guys are putting a
[1:58:58] lot of time into and consideration into
[1:59:00] these um applications that come through.
[1:59:03] But ultimately, you know, it's the mayor
[1:59:06] and the council who or the mayor's going
[1:59:07] to make a final recommendation and
[1:59:09] council's going to make the final
[1:59:10] decision. Um, how do you,
[1:59:16] um, like what goes into your thought
[1:59:18] process? How do you, um,
[1:59:21] you know, decide, approach this position
[1:59:24] knowing that, you know, you're making an
[1:59:26] a recommendation instead of the final
[1:59:27] decision?
[1:59:30] >> Is that down the line to each Yeah.
[1:59:32] » Is that down the line to each Yeah.
[1:59:32] applicant? Okay,
[1:59:34] >> hit the button.
[1:59:36] » hit the button.
[1:59:36] Um,
[1:59:38] I think that ultimately I I was I'm
[1:59:41] listening to your question as you were
[1:59:43] asking it. I was thinking when I make a
[1:59:44] decision for me or for a client on
[1:59:46] behalf of a client or in conjunction
[1:59:48] with a client, you know, you always
[1:59:50] start with this and then there are
[1:59:53] restrictions, parameters, things that
[1:59:55] bring it to budget and it starts to
[1:59:58] scale down or you have to restrict
[1:59:59] because of easements or whatever it is,
[2:00:01] right? you have to readjust and reassess
[2:00:03] and we always call it just being
[2:00:05] flexible and open trying to just
[2:00:07] evaluate what the base needs are and
[2:00:09] then what else you can get what are the
[2:00:11] objectives that's what we do um or
[2:00:14] that's what I do through work with
[2:00:16] clients
[2:00:17] um yeah just looking at at the ultimate
[2:00:20] the endgame and how to get there what
[2:00:22] restrictions and and things we have to
[2:00:24] to be flexible on that's my answer Okay.
[2:00:31] As a systems engineer, I
[2:00:37] spend all day every day looking at how
[2:00:39] component parts build larger systems
[2:00:43] that may have effects we want and may
[2:00:45] have effects we don't. And so I bring my
[2:00:52] methodology of systems anal analysis
[2:00:54] into determining what my recommendations
[2:00:56] would be, especially considering what I
[2:00:58] saw of the tight capital investment
[2:01:02] program budget that seems to be
[2:01:03] projected over the next couple of years
[2:01:06] in making targeted investments to shift
[2:01:12] communities
[2:01:14] cultures. Not necessarily like faiths,
[2:01:17] but maybe how often you see neighbors
[2:01:19] and say hi, or
[2:01:22] how often you feel you can walk to the
[2:01:25] grocery store rather than drive. Those
[2:01:28] sorts of shifts that will eventually
[2:01:31] lead to greater community participation
[2:01:34] from the entire city.
[2:01:38] Uh ultimately I think the way I would
[2:01:39] approach uh the role is it's an advisory
[2:01:43] board at at its core. Uh I feel like the
[2:01:46] job I in intend to do and hope to do is
[2:01:48] to provide you all in the mayor's office
[2:01:51] with the best information possible and
[2:01:54] uh what I and the rest of the advisory
[2:01:57] board believe to be the best projects to
[2:02:00] fund.
[2:02:04] And then I think we've got someone
[2:02:05] online too.
[2:02:06] >> Oh. Oh, great.
[2:02:07] » Oh. Oh, great.
[2:02:07] >> Okay. Uh hello. Uh in my work as a
[2:02:10] » Okay. Uh hello. Uh in my work as a
[2:02:10] researcher at the university, I submit
[2:02:12] and review technical proposals um to
[2:02:15] federal agencies and foundations. I also
[2:02:18] make recommendations for funding while
[2:02:20] hoping that my own proposals get funded.
[2:02:22] Um I also serve on the university's
[2:02:25] compliance committee to make sure
[2:02:27] federal guidelines are followed. And
[2:02:29] when there is ambiguity or disagreement,
[2:02:31] you know, we we work and strive to
[2:02:33] clarify these issues to move forward
[2:02:36] while while giving consideration to
[2:02:38] practical realities of getting the work
[2:02:40] done. I see this board as a good place
[2:02:42] to apply my practical and analytical
[2:02:44] skills. Um the responsibilities that I
[2:02:48] understand are that are associated with
[2:02:50] this role align well with my interests.
[2:02:53] I like becoming a domain expert of sorts
[2:02:56] through reading, research, and talking
[2:02:57] with others. I enjoy um thoughtful
[2:03:00] discourse and being part of a team
[2:03:02] representing a unified front after after
[2:03:05] the discussion is done and I would like
[2:03:08] to work to make sure that
[2:03:09] recommendations are balanced, evident
[2:03:12] evidence-based and well reasoned.
[2:03:14] Thank you.
[2:03:16] So, just as a followup, is there
[2:03:18] anything any of you would like us to
[2:03:19] know because we don't always get a
[2:03:22] chance to talk with you about um and and
[2:03:26] since we're kind of on different ends of
[2:03:27] the the process to different book ends,
[2:03:30] is there anything you want us to know as
[2:03:32] council members when we consider your
[2:03:34] your recommendations?
[2:03:38] » Okay.
[2:03:40] >> Oh, c can I speak? I'm I just wanted to
[2:03:43] » Oh, c can I speak? I'm I just wanted to
[2:03:43] apologize for not being able to be in
[2:03:45] person today, but once this meeting is
[2:03:47] scheduled on my calendar, I am committed
[2:03:50] to, you know, preparing ahead of time
[2:03:52] for the meetings and and to um make
[2:03:54] attending in person a priority. So, I'm
[2:03:56] very sorry I can't be there tonight, but
[2:03:58] I will in the future if selected.
[2:04:00] >> That's okay. We're we're glad that you
[2:04:02] » That's okay. We're we're glad that you
[2:04:02] can join us virtually.
[2:04:04] >> That's right.
[2:04:07] » That's right.
[2:04:07] >> All right. Um, I just want to say thank
[2:04:09] » All right. Um, I just want to say thank
[2:04:09] you to each of you for stepping forward
[2:04:12] to be of service to Salt Lake City in
[2:04:16] sharing your insight, your expertise,
[2:04:19] and your good judgment as we weigh these
[2:04:22] projects that affect the future of our
[2:04:23] city. Yeah, Brooke,
[2:04:27] I
[2:04:27] >> I just wanted I had an answer for
[2:04:29] » I just wanted I had an answer for
[2:04:29] Chris's question, but please do. Yes,
[2:04:31] please. Oh. Um,
[2:04:36] Cornell Wetlands is really special to my
[2:04:39] family. So, thanks.
[2:04:41] >> What? Sorry. What is
[2:04:43] » What? Sorry. What is
[2:04:43] >> Oh,
[2:04:47] I'll just add I'm uh just really excited
[2:04:49] for the opportunity to serve the city.
[2:04:52] >> Thank you.
[2:04:53] » Thank you.
[2:04:53] >> Thank you.
[2:04:55] » Thank you.
[2:04:55] Um, so I the way that it works is that
[2:04:59] you will be placed on the consent
[2:05:01] consent agenda for tonight's formal
[2:05:03] session. Um, as uh my council member
[2:05:06] here likes to say, you do not need to be
[2:05:09] present to win. Um, uh, but if you would
[2:05:12] like to stay for that formal meeting at
[2:05:14] 7:00, you are welcome to stay. But um,
[2:05:17] on behalf of all of us, um, thank you
[2:05:19] for stepping forward to uh, serve Salt
[2:05:21] Lake City in this in this volunteer
[2:05:23] fashion. and it makes a difference.
[2:05:26] Thank you.
[2:05:27] >> Thank you.
[2:05:30] » Um we may have some other CDIP uh
[2:05:35] programs advisory board members join us
[2:05:37] in just a little bit. I know we're
[2:05:39] running ahead of schedule. Um we'll make
[2:05:41] some space for them. Uh if if they are
[2:05:44] able to join us. Um let's move on to the
[2:05:47] next item which is item eight which is
[2:05:50] the board appointment interview for the
[2:05:51] fire code uh board of appeals. Um I
[2:05:55] understand we've got some folks online.
[2:05:58] Let's see if we can
[2:06:01] » the first three are online. Great. Let's
[2:06:04] go ahead and do these um one by one and
[2:06:08] uh let's begin with uh Gerald Straybel.
[2:06:12] share a m share tell us who you are and
[2:06:14] maybe a one minute about um why you're
[2:06:16] interested in in your background and how
[2:06:19] it aligns with serving on the fire code
[2:06:21] uh board of appeals.
[2:06:23] >> Hello. Can you see me? All right.
[2:06:28] » Yeah.
[2:06:30] >> Yes.
[2:06:31] » Yes.
[2:06:31] >> Okay. Uh I am currently fire marshall
[2:06:34] » Okay. Uh I am currently fire marshall
[2:06:34] for Sandy City. Uh been in the fire
[2:06:37] service for 23 years now. Um, I was past
[2:06:43] president of the Fire Marshalss
[2:06:44] Association for the state of Utah and
[2:06:46] I've served on a few of these boards in
[2:06:50] [clears throat] the past. Um, both uh my
[2:06:53] deputy who you'll probably talk to in a
[2:06:55] minute or so, we actually have done this
[2:06:58] with um uh one appeal down in um
[2:07:03] American Fork not too many years ago.
[2:07:06] And so, yeah, hopefully you never need
[2:07:08] us, but we are very qualified in what we
[2:07:11] do. Um, I had before I was a
[2:07:14] firefighter, I worked in the fire
[2:07:16] sprinkler industry, so as far as the
[2:07:19] fire code goes regarding fire
[2:07:21] sprinklers, I'm very knowledgeable
[2:07:23] there. Um, which has been an asset for
[2:07:27] for us and actually our surrounding um
[2:07:31] um departments. So, unless you have any
[2:07:34] questions on any of that, that's pretty
[2:07:35] much it.
[2:07:40] » What's the weirdest appeal you've ever
[2:07:43] presided over?
[2:07:46] >> What the weirdest one? Um, so,
[2:07:49] » What the weirdest one? Um, so,
[2:07:49] interestingly enough, I was questioned
[2:07:52] about the placement of a fire hydrant.
[2:07:54] Uh, they wanted to argue that they
[2:07:57] wanted it further away from their home.
[2:08:00] Um because because they didn't want dogs
[2:08:04] in their yard.
[2:08:08] » I got to tell you, I it's not the fire
[2:08:11] hydrant's not going to stop. You know,
[2:08:12] moving the fire hydrant is not going to
[2:08:14] stop him. So,
[2:08:15] >> yeah. Yeah. No, I know. That's That was
[2:08:17] » yeah. Yeah. No, I know. That's That was
[2:08:17] literally they they wanted to appeal
[2:08:21] that hydrant because they didn't want
[2:08:23] the dog mess. So, I'm like, "Okay."
[2:08:26] >> Yeah. Okay. Thank you. You can't make
[2:08:28] » Yeah. Okay. Thank you. You can't make
[2:08:28] this stuff up.
[2:08:31] [laughter]
[2:08:32] >> All right. Thank you um so much uh Mr.
[2:08:34] » All right. Thank you um so much uh Mr.
[2:08:34] Strebble. Um I believe that we have a
[2:08:37] Lincoln Paxman online. Lincoln, if you
[2:08:39] wouldn't mind uh just taking a minute uh
[2:08:42] telling us a little bit about yourself
[2:08:44] and uh your background and why you're
[2:08:46] interested in serving on the fire code
[2:08:49] uh board of appeals.
[2:08:51] >> Yeah, my name is Lincoln Paxman. I've
[2:08:52] » Yeah, my name is Lincoln Paxman. I've
[2:08:52] been in the fire service for uh over 35
[2:08:56] years, serving in many capacities. Um
[2:08:59] recently, and I've been serving in the
[2:09:01] fire marshall's office for the last
[2:09:02] three years, focusing on hazardous
[2:09:04] materials code enforcement uh and
[2:09:07] dealing with many types of hazardous
[2:09:09] materials on our city. Uh I have been on
[2:09:12] one appellet board um where we listened
[2:09:15] to a appeal by a business um and it was
[2:09:19] regarding some hazardous materials. They
[2:09:21] called me specifically
[2:09:23] um for that hazardous materials. Um I've
[2:09:27] also been involved with uh writing Utah
[2:09:31] state law in the hazardous materials
[2:09:33] area, code enforcement as well as
[2:09:35] national law. So I'm actively involved
[2:09:38] in the national fire protection agency
[2:09:41] and then also um I'm got proposals into
[2:09:45] the
[2:09:46] um international fire code for future
[2:09:49] consideration. Any
[2:09:53] fun questions from council member
[2:09:55] Wharton?
[2:09:56] >> Yeah. What's the most memorable appeal
[2:09:58] » Yeah. What's the most memorable appeal
[2:09:58] or weird appeal that you've presided
[2:10:01] over?
[2:10:02] >> Well, I've only been in one. I didn't
[2:10:04] » Well, I've only been in one. I didn't
[2:10:04] presside. I was just there to uh act as
[2:10:06] a expert in some hazardous materials
[2:10:10] concerns
[2:10:11] >> and um I think we're able to resolve
[2:10:14] » and um I think we're able to resolve
[2:10:14] those concerns. Um
[2:10:18] and there wasn't anything excited about
[2:10:19] it. It's really technical and really
[2:10:21] boring.
[2:10:23] >> Ah, excellent. Okay, we like technical
[2:10:25] » Ah, excellent. Okay, we like technical
[2:10:26] and boring, especially [laughter] in an
[2:10:28] appeals process. Thank you. Um,
[2:10:31] >> you bet.
[2:10:32] » you bet.
[2:10:32] >> Uh, next we'll move on to Donald uh
[2:10:35] » Uh, next we'll move on to Donald uh
[2:10:35] Buckley, who I believe is online with
[2:10:37] us. Donald, take a minute. Uh, tell us a
[2:10:41] little bit about yourself uh your
[2:10:42] background and why you're interested in
[2:10:44] serving on this board of appeals.
[2:10:52] I think Donald's muted.
[2:11:01] » Maybe not.
[2:11:04] >> Donald, are you there?
[2:11:11] All right. I get
[2:11:15] Okay. So, we're doing a little doseydo.
[2:11:20] Um,
[2:11:21] >> these two guys,
[2:11:22] » these two guys,
[2:11:22] >> are there two others online?
[2:11:27] » Oh, yes. For the folks who were able to
[2:11:30] join us um online, Gerald Lincoln,
[2:11:32] >> I am here. This is Don. I'm here. Sorry,
[2:11:34] » I am here. This is Don. I'm here. Sorry,
[2:11:34] I couldn't get my phone to unmute.
[2:11:36] >> Oh, no worries. We're glad to have you,
[2:11:38] » Oh, no worries. We're glad to have you,
[2:11:38] Donald. Um or or Don, um go ahead and
[2:11:42] take a minute um to introduce yourself.
[2:11:45] uh share a little bit about your
[2:11:46] background and why you're interested in
[2:11:48] serving on this board.
[2:11:50] >> Yes. I apologize my camera is not
[2:11:52] » Yes. I apologize my camera is not
[2:11:52] working either. I'm on my phone. Um
[2:11:56] I've been in the fire service for just a
[2:11:58] little over 35 years. I started as a
[2:12:00] volunteer in New Jersey. Um I currently
[2:12:02] am the Draper City Fire Marshal and have
[2:12:04] been for the last 20 years. Um I too
[2:12:08] along with Gerald uh am a former
[2:12:11] president of the Fire Marshals
[2:12:12] Association. I'm also the chair of the
[2:12:15] home fire sprinkler coalition. Um I work
[2:12:18] very closely when we're working on
[2:12:22] uh codes and everything else and I have
[2:12:26] not had the pleasure of serving on an
[2:12:28] appeals board.
[2:12:29] >> Um however I deal with a lot of
[2:12:32] » Um however I deal with a lot of
[2:12:32] difficult projects on a regular basis.
[2:12:34] One you guys might be aware of is the
[2:12:37] point uh that happens to be mine to deal
[2:12:41] with um down in Draper. So, I deal with
[2:12:43] a lot of complicated projects and uh
[2:12:49] yeah, I just want to be able to uh offer
[2:12:53] my expertise where I can.
[2:12:56] >> I feel like he's answered my question.
[2:12:58] » I feel like he's answered my question.
[2:12:58] [laughter]
[2:13:02] » Any good point. Enough said.
[2:13:05] >> Any other questions from uh council
[2:13:07] » Any other questions from uh council
[2:13:07] members? Okay. And I think we just got
[2:13:10] one more person uh online with us. And
[2:13:13] is that is Matthew? Are you with us
[2:13:15] online?
[2:13:19] » Excellent.
[2:13:20] >> I'm here.
[2:13:21] » I'm here.
[2:13:21] >> Hope so. I invite you to just uh take a
[2:13:23] » Hope so. I invite you to just uh take a
[2:13:23] minute to share a little bit about
[2:13:25] yourself, your background, um and why
[2:13:27] you're interested in serving on the fire
[2:13:29] code board of appeals.
[2:13:32] >> Okay. I I've uh got about 16 and a half
[2:13:35] » Okay. I I've uh got about 16 and a half
[2:13:35] years in the fire service. I did eight
[2:13:37] years with the state fire marshall's
[2:13:38] office. Um I did a I worked a year in
[2:13:42] Lehi as a deputy fire marshal and then
[2:13:44] I've been in American for as the fire
[2:13:46] marshal now for about 7 years and 4
[2:13:49] months. Um so I have a few years of
[2:13:52] experience. I've also kind of
[2:13:55] participated on the board of the fire
[2:13:57] marshals association. Um and my interest
[2:14:00] comes from the invite from from uh Chief
[2:14:04] Alred. He asked me if I would be on the
[2:14:06] the board and he's willing to help out
[2:14:08] and and so I I'd like to reciprocate
[2:14:10] that if possible.
[2:14:14] » Thank you so much. Um Matthew, any
[2:14:17] questions?
[2:14:18] >> All right. Um and then I believe we have
[2:14:20] » All right. Um and then I believe we have
[2:14:20] the last of our crew joining us um
[2:14:22] online. Uh Scott, uh can you hear me?
[2:14:25] Okay.
[2:14:26] >> Yep.
[2:14:27] » Yep.
[2:14:27] >> Awesome. Take a minute uh introduce
[2:14:29] » Awesome. Take a minute uh introduce
[2:14:29] yourself um and why you're interested in
[2:14:31] serving on this board.
[2:14:33] I kind of just like Matt, I I actually
[2:14:36] have 38 years of fire service. I spent
[2:14:38] 30 years on a fire engine and then I
[2:14:41] retired and then they asked me to come
[2:14:43] back as a fire inspector/ deputy fire
[2:14:46] marshall. I've been back at Murray for
[2:14:48] about seven years now working in the
[2:14:49] fire marshall's office working
[2:14:53] in code and inspections and all our new
[2:14:58] construction and then I also do a little
[2:15:00] bit of fire investigation.
[2:15:04] Thank you so much, Scott. Any fun
[2:15:07] questions?
[2:15:09] >> Uh, have you have you had an appeal
[2:15:11] » Uh, have you have you had an appeal
[2:15:11] before? Have you done an appeal before?
[2:15:15] >> Have I been involved in any appeals? No.
[2:15:17] » Have I been involved in any appeals? No.
[2:15:17] >> Okay.
[2:15:18] » Okay.
[2:15:18] >> We we usually like we have a lot of
[2:15:20] » We we usually like we have a lot of
[2:15:20] people that seem like they want to
[2:15:23] argue with us, but we try and educate as
[2:15:25] we inform them. We we can show them the
[2:15:28] code. We can show them why we're reading
[2:15:30] it this way. And we haven't had to had
[2:15:33] an appeal in Murray at all.
[2:15:35] >> Good. Well, I mean, I'd like to say I
[2:15:38] » Good. Well, I mean, I'd like to say I
[2:15:38] hope you get an interesting one, but
[2:15:40] since you're doing it for Salt Lake
[2:15:41] City, I hope they're all boring. And uh
[2:15:45] yeah,
[2:15:47] thank you for your willingness to serve
[2:15:48] Salt Lake.
[2:15:49] >> You're welcome.
[2:15:51] » You're welcome.
[2:15:51] >> Um thank you all for uh your willingness
[2:15:53] » Um thank you all for uh your willingness
[2:15:54] to step forward and serve on this uh
[2:15:56] board of appeals. Um you will be placed
[2:15:59] on the consent agenda of this evening um
[2:16:02] at 7 pm. Um you're welcome to tune in
[2:16:05] online or in person if you'd like to,
[2:16:07] but you need not be present to win. Um
[2:16:10] we are grateful for your uh willingness
[2:16:13] to serve and um we'll approve those uh
[2:16:16] we'll approve your application this
[2:16:18] evening as part of that consent agenda.
[2:16:20] Thank you all so much.
[2:16:24] » Okay.
[2:16:24] >> Thank you.
[2:16:28] We're going to dosey-do back to um the
[2:16:31] community development and capital
[2:16:33] improvement programs advisory board. Um
[2:16:36] Jordan Moss has been is here with us in
[2:16:38] person. And so Jordan um would love for
[2:16:41] you to just uh come forward uh uh at the
[2:16:44] table. Yep. Step on up. Come on down.
[2:16:47] Prices right style. We don't have any
[2:16:49] appliances for you, but [laughter]
[2:16:52] there are some capital improvement
[2:16:54] programs. Um Jordan, uh would love for
[2:16:57] you just to take a minute and share a
[2:16:58] little bit about yourself um and why
[2:17:01] you're interested in serving on this
[2:17:03] board.
[2:17:07] » Please use the microphone.
[2:17:15] » Hello. Perfect. Thank you. Um thank you
[2:17:18] so much for taking the time. I
[2:17:19] appreciate everyone allowing me to be
[2:17:20] here. Uh my name is Jordan Moss. Um I
[2:17:23] work in uh banking for about 10 years.
[2:17:26] Um the last four years specifically in
[2:17:28] portfolio management for the community
[2:17:29] reinvestment act. Um I helped manage a
[2:17:32] lot of affordable housing projects here
[2:17:33] in Salt Lake City. And that's one of the
[2:17:35] ways in which I got familiar with the
[2:17:36] city and helped kind of understand the
[2:17:38] organizations and the way that um uh
[2:17:41] kind of the collaborative effort that's
[2:17:43] necessary to create kind of change in
[2:17:44] the community. And so bringing that
[2:17:46] passion as long as with um working with
[2:17:49] uh grants and decisioning on grants as
[2:17:51] well to hopefully bring some of that
[2:17:52] knowledge and experience um to kind of
[2:17:54] continue the good work in the city. So
[2:17:56] yeah, it's a little bit about me.
[2:17:58] >> Thank you so much. Uh Jordan, any
[2:18:00] » Thank you so much. Uh Jordan, any
[2:18:00] questions, comments?
[2:18:02] All right, I believe we have another
[2:18:04] person um who has joined us online. Um
[2:18:08] Josh Strickland, can you hear me? Okay.
[2:18:12] >> Um
[2:18:13] » Um
[2:18:13] >> yes.
[2:18:13] » yes.
[2:18:13] >> Hi Josh.
[2:18:15] » Hi Josh.
[2:18:15] um go ahead and just uh you know share a
[2:18:17] little bit about yourself um take a
[2:18:19] minute and you know why you're
[2:18:21] interested in in serving on this board.
[2:18:23] >> Yeah. Um I am a financial analyst uh
[2:18:27] » Yeah. Um I am a financial analyst uh
[2:18:27] here at Wheeler Machinery um unlike some
[2:18:30] of the uh previous interviews. I am
[2:18:33] actually not originally from Salt Lake
[2:18:35] and only moved here recently. But um I
[2:18:38] think
[2:18:40] partially some of my college experience
[2:18:43] and then being at Wheeler now as a
[2:18:45] financial analyst
[2:18:47] um I think it I think there's things I
[2:18:50] want to learn more about the budgeting
[2:18:51] process and I think maybe learning you
[2:18:55] know how governments work with grants
[2:18:58] and and whatnot at a young age I think I
[2:19:00] think um is something I'm kind of
[2:19:02] interested in in diving uh more into.
[2:19:06] So,
[2:19:09] » thank you so much. Um, I have a question
[2:19:12] for both of you. This is a collaborative
[2:19:15] body. Have you had any experience on
[2:19:18] committees or anything like that? And
[2:19:20] how's it gone?
[2:19:25] » I'll jump in. Um, so, uh, I recently
[2:19:28] transitioned to a role. I work at Alli
[2:19:30] Bank um with our corporate corporate
[2:19:32] social responsibility team and um we we
[2:19:35] facilitate kind of all the foundation
[2:19:36] grants and so we have a committee that
[2:19:39] um intakes all of the grants from all
[2:19:40] over the country and we have kind of a
[2:19:42] matrix that we work through that helps
[2:19:44] decision on those grants and so that's
[2:19:45] kind of the the main experience I have
[2:19:48] working with grants and kind of
[2:19:49] understanding how to um best facilitate
[2:19:51] which grants are going to work for for
[2:19:53] in our in our in our cases is either
[2:19:55] financial education, workforce
[2:19:56] development or things of that nature. So
[2:19:58] that's usually um that's kind of some of
[2:20:00] the experience I have.
[2:20:01] >> Yeah,
[2:20:04] » Yeah,
[2:20:04] >> Josh.
[2:20:05] » Josh.
[2:20:05] >> Um and then so so I do not have any
[2:20:07] » Um and then so so I do not have any
[2:20:07] specific grant experience, but serving
[2:20:10] on on boards um at Old Miss, I went to
[2:20:13] the University of Mississippi um I
[2:20:15] helped manage a $600,000 portfolio uh of
[2:20:20] real money which is donated by the
[2:20:23] Tennessee Valley Tennessee Valley
[2:20:25] Authority. Um, and I got to the
[2:20:28] opportunity to be on that board and make
[2:20:30] investment decisions and um, uh, present
[2:20:34] it to our board of adviserss, which at
[2:20:37] the time were exin investment bankers.
[2:20:38] I'm not sure if they are anymore, but um
[2:20:41] I think I and I just mentioned that
[2:20:44] because I think um them having that
[2:20:46] background kind of sparred a lot of
[2:20:49] questions um and you know really being
[2:20:52] detailed and and what we present and
[2:20:55] what kind of data we pull. Um so I think
[2:20:58] I think that uh I was in a few other
[2:21:00] clubs as well. Um but I would say that's
[2:21:02] probably
[2:21:05] a board that I had experience serving
[2:21:07] on.
[2:21:08] Thank you. I I was more just interested
[2:21:10] if you play well with others, and it
[2:21:12] seems like you both will. So,
[2:21:14] congratulations.
[2:21:17] >> Council member Dugan.
[2:21:19] » Council member Dugan.
[2:21:19] >> I'm just uh really appreciative of the
[2:21:22] » I'm just uh really appreciative of the
[2:21:22] uh the younger generation stepping up.
[2:21:26] I'm I am on the other end of the
[2:21:28] generations and it's great to see uh
[2:21:32] both the two of you and also the four
[2:21:34] previous ones uh stepping up to the
[2:21:36] plate on this one because it's a big
[2:21:37] endeavor to uh step into this role and
[2:21:40] and um give us your voice because that's
[2:21:43] what we want. So appreciate it very
[2:21:45] much. So thank you.
[2:21:47] >> Thank you for having us.
[2:21:49] » Thank you for having us.
[2:21:49] >> Uh thank you. you'll hear my final
[2:21:50] » Uh thank you. you'll hear my final
[2:21:50] shiel, which is um that I shared to the
[2:21:52] others, but um you'll be placed on
[2:21:54] tonight's consent agenda. Uh the formal
[2:21:57] meeting that takes place at 7 p.m.
[2:21:59] You're welcome to stick around for that
[2:22:01] uh formal meeting or join us online. Um
[2:22:04] but you do not do you do not need to be
[2:22:06] present to win. Um so you'll be approved
[2:22:09] as part of that consent agenda. And
[2:22:11] thank you so much to all of the folks
[2:22:13] who have stepped forward to serve on on
[2:22:16] a board and thank you for being here as
[2:22:17] well.
[2:22:20] All right. And thank you council members
[2:22:22] for and council member Wharton special
[2:22:24] acknowledgement for the fun questions
[2:22:26] you asked. Um uh moving on to uh item
[2:22:31] nine, report of the chair and vice
[2:22:33] chair. I don't believe there's anything
[2:22:34] to report. Um item 10, report and
[2:22:38] announcements from the executive
[2:22:39] director. Any announcements? Any
[2:22:41] reports? All right. The council work
[2:22:44] session is now adjourned and we will
[2:22:46] have our formal meeting at 7 p.m.
[2:22:48] >> Beautiful.
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