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This brings us to item A4, approving the
work session meeting minutes of March
3rd, 2026, March 24th, 2026,
April 7th, 2026, May 12th, 2026, May
19th, 2026, as well as the formal
meeting minutes of January 13th, 2026,
February 17th, 2026, March 10th, 2026,
April 7th, 2026, and April 21st, 2026.
I'll look for a motion.
>> Move for approval.
» Move for approval.
>> Second.
» Second.
>> It has been moved by Council Member
» It has been moved by Council Member
Dugan and and seconded by Council Member
Wharton. Any discussion?
All in favor?
>> Aye.
» Aye.
>> Aye.
» Aye.
>> Any opposed?
» Any opposed?
Motion passes unanimously with two
Council Members absent.
I will now turn the time over to Council
Member Jennifer Napier Pearce for some
brief remarks.
>> Thank you, Madam Chair and my fellow
» Thank you, Madam Chair and my fellow
Council Members for giving me just a few
minutes of personal privilege. I promise
I will keep this brief.
Uh the past few weeks since my
appointment have been an absolute
whirlwind.
Um I've had a a listening tour and I've
had the pleasure of meeting with new
neighbors, old friends, my esteemed
colleagues, and dedicated public
servants in coffee shops, parks, bars,
street corners, local businesses, and
private homes. And what I've learned has
been both enlightening and inspiring.
I'm filled with gratitude seeing how
much people care about our capital city
and how motivated they are to solve
problems.
I want to thank the many friends and
colleagues who supported my candidacy
and made calls and texts on my behalf. I
truly appreciate all the encouragement
and support. I'm grateful for Council
staff, Mayor Mendenhall and the
administration, and a special thank you
to my colleagues here on the Council.
I'm coming in midstream on so many
issues, so I've really appreciated your
patience as I've gotten up to speed.
I'm not there yet. Let's not be, you
know, let's not joke about that. You are
all good-hearted, kind, and smart, and
collaborative, and so I just I'm
grateful. Thanks for filling the gaps in
my knowledge. Thanks for sharing your
perspectives, your experience, and your
expertise. And thanks for showing up
every single day to make a difference in
our city. Special shout-out to my
family, especially my sons Ben and Jonas
watching on the livestream. Love you
guys. Thanks for your support.
Thanks most of all to my husband, Sean
Pierce,
who's [snorts] just by me through thick
and thin for 34 years.
Your love [snorts] means everything and
I'm grateful for you.
It's so weird, my first job out of
college was here
in City Hall, working for the Salt Lake
City Council. So sitting on this dais is
absolutely surreal.
I'm humbled, honored,
and um just grateful for the opportunity
to serve the people of District 4. I
look forward to working with all of you
to make this city the best it can be.
Thank you so much.
» Thank you so much, Council Member
Pierce, for those heartfelt and honest
remarks. And I want to give a special
thank you to your family members who
have tuned in online and are watching,
your friends, and and your um your
partner, former Utah Supreme Court
Justice Pierce. Thank you for being
here. It truly takes so many people um
in an elected official's life to wrap
them with support, with love, with
encouragement, and with courage. And so
thank you to all of them for for them
offering that to you, and thank you for
stepping forward to serve the people of
District 4.
>> Thank you so much.
» We're now moving on to the public
hearing section of our agenda. Um public
hearing is These are specific proposals
before the council that require a public
hearing. Uh your comments should uh
pertain to the hearing item, and if you
go off topic, we will ask you to stop
your comment.
Um, our first public hearing uh is for
items B1 and B2 for grant applications
and will be heard as one public hearing.
Before we begin taking comments, I will
turn the time over to Silvia Richards,
Council Policy Analyst, to give a short
introduction. Silvia?
>> Thank you, Madam Chair. Periodically,
» Thank you, Madam Chair. Periodically,
the city applies for and receives grants
which fund some city programs.
Each grant receives a public hearing to
provide the Council and the public with
an opportunity hear about each grant.
First is the Tourism Recreation Cultural
Convention and Airport Facilities Tax
Act Grant. If approved, it will fund
consultant fees for the construction of
up to 20 stations along the Jordan River
Trail.
Uh building on the groundwork laid by
the Reimagine Nature Public Lands Master
Plan, the Emerald Ribbon Action Plan,
and Salt Lake County's efforts to
develop the Jordan River Regional Park
Master Plan.
Second is the State Dam Safety Grant. If
approved, it would be used for the
engineering investigation and design of
upgrades to the Red Pine Dam, bringing
it into compliance with the statute the
State of Utah Dam Safety Rules. Thank
you, Madam Chair.
>> Thank you, Silvia. Taylor, please start
» Thank you, Silvia. Taylor, please start
with our first public comment.
>> Thank you, Madam Chair. We do not have
» Thank you, Madam Chair. We do not have
anyone registered to speak to these
items.
>> Thank you. I will look for a motion.
» Thank you. I will look for a motion.
>> Madam Chair, I move this to Council
» Madam Chair, I move this to Council
close the public hearing and refer items
B1 and B2 to a future consent agenda for
action.
>> Is there a second?
» Is there a second?
>> Second.
» Any discussion?
I'll call the question. All those in fa-
It has been moved by Council Member
Dugan and seconded by Council Member
Wharton. All those in favor?
>> I.
» I.
>> I.
» I.
>> Any opposed?
» Any opposed?
Motion passes with two council members
absent.
Council member Young.
>> Thank you. If I may request a moment of
» Thank you. If I may request a moment of
personal privilege before we move to B3.
>> Absolutely.
» Absolutely.
>> Thank you. So, it's come to my attention
» Thank you. So, it's come to my attention
that we're going to bookend
um this celebration and I am fortunate
enough to be the first. So, if I could
invite uh policy analyst Brian Fullmer
up to the podium, I just have a few
comments to share.
Excellent.
So,
I'd like to take a moment uh for a
personal point of privilege to recognize
someone whose work has made a meaningful
difference to this council and to the
residents of Salt Lake City. Tonight is
Brian Fullmer's last formal council
meeting in his role as our policy
analyst. And I want to express my
sincere appreciation for his service.
Whether we were working through a
complex land use application,
negotiating a development agreement, or
yes, even discussing fence heights,
Brian approached every issue with the
same level of professionalism, service,
expertise, and care. He has an
incredible ability to navigate
complicated policy questions, provide
thoughtful analysis, and help each of us
make more informed decisions.
What has always stood out to me is not
just Brian's knowledge, but the way he
carries himself. He is consistently
prepared, responsive, patient, and
respectful. He serves every council
member with integrity and impartiality,
and he has never loses sight of the fact
that behind every agenda item are real
people and neighborhoods who care deeply
about their city.
Public service isn't often is often
behind the scenes and the people doing
this work don't always receive the
recognition they deserve.
But the quality of our decisions and our
ability to serve residents well is
stronger because of Brian's dedication.
Brian, thank you for your time,
expertise, professionalism, and steady
leadership you've brought to the
council. We've been incredibly fortunate
to work with you and I know you'll be a
hard act to follow.
On behalf of my district, my fellow
council members, and personally, I wish
you every success in your next chapter.
Thank you for your service to Salt Lake
City and I'm excited for one final
council meeting together.
Thank you.
» Oh, there's more coming. There's more
coming.
You don't get to get out of here so
easy, uh, Brian. So, I want to just
share, uh, a little bit of the history
of, uh, Brian's service to Salt Lake
City.
In May 2010, Brian Fulmer was told that
the city council office position he was
accepting was temporary and that it
offered no long-term opportunity.
And 16 years later, we are thankful that
Brian decided to stick with us
even after starting his project what
which was to review comments about the
then proposed Yale-Crest Historic
District.
While working in the council office,
Brian took on roles both constituent
liaison and policy analyst.
His calm, I've never seen you get too
razzled,
but his consistent and calm and
thoughtful approach brought stability to
an office that could be fast-paced and
unpredictable and elected officials just
the same, fast-paced and unpredictable.
As a liaison, Brian helped hundreds of
constituents navigate complex issues,
always ensuring that they felt heard and
knew the city cared about their
concerns.
He trained and mentored many constituent
liaisons to do the same.
As a policy analyst, Brian became one of
the office experts on land use. He
guided street and alley closures,
re-zones, text amendments, master plans,
and his favorite topic, the naming of
city assets.
Brian handled dozens of zoning petitions
with professionalism, helping applicants
see that the city was not simply a
faceless bureaucracy.
Brian, on behalf of the council office
and council members,
I want to give a sincere thank you to
you for your dedication, your expertise,
and your sincere kindness.
You have made a lasting difference in
our office and community over your many
years of service, and you will be sorely
missed.
We wish you all the very best in all the
adventures in your well-earned
retirement.
Thank you, Brian.
Well, I know you want to get down to
business.
>> [laughter]
» [laughter]
>> You really want me to follow that?
» You really want me to follow that?
>> Um
» Um
Thank you, Brian, for your service.
>> Yes, thank you.
» Yes, thank you.
>> So, our next item uh is B3, which is an
» So, our next item uh is B3, which is an
ordinance um uh concerning the
indefinite alleyway closure in Jefferson
Park. Um and before we begin taking
comments, I'll turn it over to our
esteemed council policy analyst to give
us a short introduction.
>> Thank you, Madam Chair.
» Thank you, Madam Chair.
This is a proposal from public lands to
indefinitely close, but retain ownership
of two alleys within Jefferson Park
within Council District 5.
The intent is to consolidate parcels
within the park for improvements funded
by the Reimagined Nature General
Obligation Bond. Thank you.
>> Thank you, Brian.
» Thank you, Brian.
Taylor, please start with our first
public comment.
>> Thank you, Madam Chair. We have one
» Thank you, Madam Chair. We have one
person registered to speak to this item.
That will be Marco Stevanoni. Marco, you
may now unmute.
» Marco, are you there with us?
» I think he
is there to speak on
item six.
>> Sounds like he might be speaking on
» Sounds like he might be speaking on
another item.
Anybody else wish to speak to this item?
Okay, I'll look for a motion.
>> Madam Chair, move that the Council close
» Madam Chair, move that the Council close
the public hearing and then adopt the
ordinance.
>> Is there a second?
» Is there a second?
>> Second.
» Second.
>> It has been moved by Council member
» It has been moved by Council member
Dugan and seconded by Council member
Wharton. Any discussion?
All those in favor?
Aye.
Those opposed?
None.
Uh motion passes uh unanimously with two
Council members absent.
Our next item is B4, an ordinance alley
vacation at approximately 567 East
Warnock Avenue. And before we begin
taking comments, I'll turn it over, I
think, one last time
to Brian Fullmer, Council Policy
Analyst, to give us a short
introduction.
» Uh this is a proposal to vacate or give
up ownership of a city-owned alley at
approximately 567 East Warnock Avenue.
Uh
and it is between that property and
Interstate 80 right-of-way.
The alley was blocked when the freeway
was constructed many years ago and does
not serve its original purpose.
If adopted, the alley property would be
divided in half and given to the two
abutting property owners.
Thank you.
>> Thank you, Brian.
» Thank you, Brian.
Taylor, please start with our first
public comment.
>> Thank you, Madam Chair. We don't have
» Thank you, Madam Chair. We don't have
anyone registered to speak to this item.
>> Thank you, Taylor. I'll look for a
» Thank you, Taylor. I'll look for a
motion.
» I move that the council close the public
hearing and defer action to a future
council meeting.
>> Second.
» Second.
>> It has been moved by Council Member
» It has been moved by Council Member
Napier Pearson seconded by Council
Member Wharton. Any discussion?
I'll call the question. All those in
favor?
>> I.
» I.
>> I.
» I.
>> Any opposed?
» Any opposed?
Motion passes unanimously with two
council members absent.
Our next item is B5 for an ordinance
regarding a mobile business text
amendment. Before we begin taking
comments, I'll turn the time over to
Nick Tarbet, a council deputy director,
to give a short introduction.
>> Thank you. This public hearing is on
» Thank you. This public hearing is on
proposed text amendment pertaining to
mobile businesses operating on private
property.
The intent of the amendments is to bring
the city's mobile business code into
compliance with newer state regulations.
>> Thank you, Nick. Taylor, please start
» Thank you, Nick. Taylor, please start
with our first public comment.
>> Thank you, Madam Chair. We do not have
» Thank you, Madam Chair. We do not have
anyone registered to speak to this item.
>> Thank you, Taylor. I'll look for a
» Thank you, Taylor. I'll look for a
motion.
>> Madam Chair, I move the council close
» Madam Chair, I move the council close
the public hearing and defer action to a
future
council meeting.
>> Is there a second?
» Is there a second?
>> Second.
» Second.
>> It has been moved by Council Member
» It has been moved by Council Member
Duggan and seconded by Council Member
Wharton. Any discussion?
I'll call the question. All those in
favor?
>> I.
» I.
>> I.
» I.
>> I.
» I.
>> Those opposed?
» Those opposed?
Hearing none, the motion passes with two
council members absent.
Our final item is B6 for a resolution, a
waiver of proximity for Via Veneto
Pizzeria at 511 East 9th South. Before
we begin taking comments, I will turn
the time over again
um to Nick Tarbet, council deputy
director, to give a short introduction.
Nick.
>> Thank you.
» Thank you.
As of May 2026, state code requires
local municipalities to approve a waiver
of proximity for liquor permits before
the Utah Department of Alcoholic
Beverage Services may grant a license
when a when the location is within a
specific proximity of a community
location such as Liberty Park is.
The restaurant located across from
Liberty Park is in District 5. The
city's required to hold a public hearing
at least 30 days before a waiver can be
approved.
» Thank you, Nick. Taylor, please start
with our first public comment.
>> Thank you, Madam Chair. We have two
» Thank you, Madam Chair. We have two
people registered to speak to this item.
The first will be Amy Stevanoni followed
by Marco Stevanoni.
Amy is here in person.
» Good evening. Thank you.
I am the owner of Via Veneto Pizzeria
along with my husband. Um Via Veneto
Pizzeria receiving a limited liquor
license
would positively contribute to the
neighborhood without presenting
any threat to public safety or the
character of nearby community spaces
such as Liberty Park.
Via Veneto Pizzeria is a family-friendly
establishment
with a welcoming atmosphere and a clear
focus on quality food, responsible
service, and community involvement.
Allowing us to serve a glass of wine or
beer alongside our pizza will enhance
the dining experience for adults and
aligns with what many residents expect
from modern neighborhood eateries.
The ability to enjoy a slice of pizza
with a drink is a standard amenity in
most cities and has consistently
demonstrated no negative impact on
public behavior, safety, or community
spaces.
Liberty Park is a cherished part of Salt
Lake City and maintaining its safe and
family-oriented environment is important
to everyone.
Granting Via Veneto Pizzeria this waiver
would not compromise that goal.
The restaurant is operated with
professionalism and oversight, follows
applicable regulations, and is committed
to responsible alcohol service.
Its clientele and environment are not
conducive to overconsumption or
disorderly activity. In fact, supporting
well-run small businesses near community
spaces often strengthens neighborhoods,
increases foot traffic safety, and
fosters positive community engagement.
In short, allowing Via Veneto Pizzeria
to serve wine and beer under an approved
liquor permit would not pose any threat
to society. Rather, it would support a
reputable local business, meet community
expectations, and continue to uphold the
standards residents value.
Thank you so much.
» Next will be Marco Stebanoni. Marco, you
may now unmute.
>> Yes, thank you. I apologize I cannot be
» Yes, thank you. I apologize I cannot be
there in person. I'm currently
traveling, but I just [snorts] wanted to
support my wife on
this new venture.
And I appreciate all your support.
» And that was the final registered
commenter for this item.
>> Thank you to everyone who made a comment
» Thank you to everyone who made a comment
on this item. I'll look for a motion.
>> Madam Chair, I move that the council
» Madam Chair, I move that the council
close the public hearing and defer
action to a future council meeting.
>> Is there a second?
» Is there a second?
>> Second.
» It has been moved by council member
Wharton and seconded by council member
Duggan. Any discussion?
>> I just I wanted to say I see some
» I just I wanted to say I see some
confused looks in the audience.
What we typically do is when there's an
item that's up for public hearing,
we have the hearing, close action, and
then vote on it at the next meeting. So,
this is just part of the normal
procedure. It doesn't mean that your
action's not going to be voted on or
that
it's just how we typically do things.
All right. So, people will have a
will have until our next meeting to
submit written comments.
Um but I intend to to support that
request. Yes.
>> As do I.
» As do I.
>> Mhm.
» Mhm.
>> And and just to clarify, the council
» And and just to clarify, the council
cannot take action for 30 days on this.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Per state statute.
» Per state statute.
>> Right.
» Okay.
Any additional discussion?
All those in favor of the motion?
>> I.
» I.
>> I.
» I.
>> I.
» I.
>> Any opposed?
» Any opposed?
The motion passes
with
motion passes with four council members
present and and two who are three who
are
four present, three who are absent. It's
been a long day, y'all.
>> I voted yes.
» I voted yes.
>> Five. And council members council member
» Five. And council members council member
Young, that's right. Yes.
>> yes.
» yes.
>> Hopefully, city recorder has got that
» Hopefully, city recorder has got that
better than I than what I just repeated.
Great. Thank you.
Um we have no new potential action or
new business item.
Um we are now moving on to item E1,
which is now unfinished business uh
regarding the ordinance correction
adopting the rate of the tax levy
including the levy for the library fund
fiscal year 2026.
I'll look for a motion.
>> Madam Chair, I move that the council
» Madam Chair, I move that the council
adopt a revised corrected ordinance
updating the final tax final rate of tax
levy including the final levy up for the
library fund on all real and personal
property within Salt Lake City
made taxable by law for fiscal year
2026-27
and acknowledge the updated tax rates
listed on the motion sheets represented
technical adjustments necessary to align
with those entered into the tax rate
systems prior to the June 22 deadline.
>> Is there a second?
» Is there a second?
>> Oh, no.
» Oh, no.
>> Oh, you got more. Okay, keep going.
» Oh, you got more. Okay, keep going.
>> A tax of 0.003482
on each dollar of taxable valuation of
which
0.002374
shall be credited as revenue in the
general fund generating
$123,837,279
of ongoing revenue and
0.000006
shall be credited to the judgment levy
for the general fund a one-year
adjustment generating
$293,967
of one-time revenue
and
0.000626
shall be credited as revenue in the
library fund generating
$32,657,748
of ongoing revenue and
0.000395
shall be credited toward repayment of
general obligation bonds generating
$20,614,755
of ongoing revenue and
0.00008
0 shall be credited as revenue in the
government immunity fund
for tort liability generating $4,173,514
of ongoing revenue.
>> Thank you, council members. Are there a
» Thank you, council members. Are there a
second?
>> I second.
» I second.
>> It has been moved by council member
» It has been moved by council member
Dugan and seconded by council member
Napier Pierce. Any discussion?
Seeing none, I'll call the question. All
those in favor?
>> I.
» I.
>> I.
» I.
>> Any opposed?
» Any opposed?
The motion passes with two council
members absent.
Okay, this now brings us to the consent
portion of our agenda. I'll look for a
motion.
>> Madam Chair, I move that we approve the
» Madam Chair, I move that we approve the
consent agenda.
>> Second.
» Second.
>> Second.
» It has been moved by council member
Wooten and seconded by council member
Dugan.
Uh any discussion?
Those in favor?
>> I.
» I.
>> I.
» I.
>> I. Those opposed?
» I. Those opposed?
Motion passes with two council members
absent.
We are now at uh section G of the uh
agenda and that's questions to the mayor
from the city council. Thank you uh
Rachel Auto and Leslie Nokola for being
here on on the mayor's behalf. Any
questions for the mayor?
Or the mayor's staff?
All right.
I
uh council member Wooten was asking some
very fun questions of the fire board of
appeals, fire code board of appeals
earlier today, but looks like he's out
of fun questions.
>> I
» I
What's Have you guys ever presided over
an interesting fire board appeal?
Okay. Well,
here's hoping.
>> See no comments. All right.
» See no comments. All right.
>> [laughter]
» [laughter]
>> Thank you so much for being here. Thank
» Thank you so much for being here. Thank
you for engaging in my levity, council
member Wooten.
Um we're now on to our second item,
which is um comments to the city
council. This is a 1-hour time slot for
the public to comment on any city
business that's not scheduled for a
public hearing and each person will have
2 minutes um to talk. It is limited to a
maximum of 1 hour and to only those
individuals who are registered to speak
before 7:30. Our meeting rules apply to
these general comments. Uh you we will
be calling the names in the order of
sign up. If you're on Zoom, please
unmute your mic when your name is
called. Each person will have 2 minutes
and to help make sure that as many
people as possible can speak during the
hour, anyone in person should feel free
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hear your name is called.
Please avoid interruption so we can use
the time for as many people to comment
as possible.
If we reach the 2-minute mark, the host
will announce time and your microphone
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If you're having technical issues in
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our staff will assist you. And of
course, if you are unable to finish your
comment, you are encouraged to share the
rest of your comment via email, mail, or
call to our office. Our contact
information is located um at
slc.gov/council.
Taylor, can you begin with our first
general comment?
>> Thank you, Madam Chair. We have about
» Thank you, Madam Chair. We have about
seven 17 people registered to speak. The
first will be Jennifer Oldham followed
by Kira Saronsky and then Cindy Cromer.
Jennifer is here in person.
» I don't know why I was registered under
my wife's name, but I'm Richard Oldham,
so
I just wanted [clears throat] to comment
on the new uh short-term rental uh
regulations or whatever you call them
ordinances that were passed. Um and I
would you know, you guys were discussing
that earlier. I appreciate the
discussion earlier. I want to
specifically comment on the 200-night
limit. Um I think, you know, in
residential zones, that may might make
sense. I think in zones like hotel zones
or other zones, I think the 200-night
limit I think the only thing it does is
it pushes any short-term rentals from a
business viability out of that space and
and benefits hotels basically. And I
think there's a lot of short-term rental
operators that are small business owners
and people coming and traveling to Salt
Lake are looking for short-term rentals.
I think there's definitely a market for
that that needs to be served and would
benefit to the entire area of Salt Lake.
So, I think, you know, revisiting the
200-night maximum for
for short-term rentals would be very
beneficial for the community as a whole
for certain zones. So, I just wanted to
comment on that as well as, you know,
there's other issues with the 10% and
stuff like that. I think some other
people are going to comment on those.
So, thank you.
» Next will be Kira Sabransky followed by
Cindy Cromer and then Lauren Devoe.
Kira, you may now unmute.
>> Hi, my name is Kira Sabransky and I am a
» Hi, my name is Kira Sabransky and I am a
resident of Parkway Avenue in Salt Lake
City.
Just this week, we have seen two fires
just blocks away from my house in
Wasatch Hollow and Inner Park. We have
an easement behind our homes on Parkway
Avenue that could easily be the next
spot for a fire to start with tall dry
grass that is neglected for months
during the height of fire season each
year. This easement is owned by Salt
Salt Lake and I worry that if Salt Salt
Lake continues with their plans to put
up a fence, the fire risk to that area
will only increase. Salt Salt Lake has
proven to us over the years that they do
not maintain the land appropriately. We
have no reason to believe that this will
change. Having a fence will only leave
the land neglected and forgotten. As a
resident of Salt Lake City, I hope
Council will help us and put this
easement on your work session. We really
need you to advocate for us and urge
South Salt Lake to pause their work
until an agreement has been reached,
especially when irreversible changes
could be done.
This land could be a beautiful asset to
Salt Lake City as a community park or
garden instead of being fenced off,
neglected, and forgotten about. Thank
you.
» Next will be Cindy Cromer, followed by
Lauren DeBoe, and then Olive Jacobi.
Cindy is here in person.
>> It was about 6 years ago that I realized
» It was about 6 years ago that I realized
artists could be pivotal in land use
battles.
So, I was prepared when the musicians of
the Utah Symphony launched an effort to
save Abravanel Hall by nominating it to
the National Register of Historic
Places.
I knew that they could make a
difference. Artists can get out of the
box, and they can lead other people out
of the box.
The nomination of the county's 10th East
Senior Center to the National Register
was a copycat of the effort by the
symphony musicians.
We even hired the same consultant.
The votes of the Landmarks Commission
and State History in May were unanimous
for approval.
The nomination is now in Washington,
D.C., waiting for a final decision.
The 10th East Senior Center was in
jeopardy in the county's budget process
last fall.
It was the first building in the state
dedicated to the needs of seniors. It is
the work of the legendary architect
Birch Beal,
who led the effort to restore this
building, the city and county building.
So, two things.
The nomination of the county senior
center on city-owned land is pending.
And secondly, those of us who have
appreciated the architecture and
programming at the center owe the
symphony's musicians a thank you for
their leadership.
» Next will be Lauren Devoe, followed by
Olive Jacobi, and then Jim Webster.
Lauren is here in person.
>> Good afternoon, Council. I'm here
» Good afternoon, Council. I'm here
representing the users of the Cottonwood
Dog Park, and I have brought each of you
a stack of letters and petitions from
our community users. In 2021, a tree
fell on our main access bridge to our
dog park, and the users of Cottonwood
Dog Park fully expected that it would be
quickly rebuilt. And why wouldn't we? As
of July of 2020, the city had over 2.7
million dollars in unallocated park
impact fee revenues, which had to be
spent within 6 years or returned to the
assessed property owners. In January of
2021, the parks department had proposed
a 2.3 million dollar budget
appropriation in part to fund
improvements to the Cottonwood Dog Park.
On May 3rd, 2022, the City Council
adopted budget amendment number seven,
which included 195,000 dollars to
rebuild the bridge over the Jordan River
to the park, which was completely budget
neutral. But, the bridge was neither
repaired nor rebuilt.
Fast forward to the present, and the
public lands department has completely
closed off the bridge, leaving only a
single width bridge far removed from
city parking to access the dog park. If
you stay on the paved trails to get to
the dog park, the walk is long, uneven,
without a single bench for those in need
to rest, and roughly half is devoid of
any shade cover.
A week ago, several of us, dog park
users, met with a number of
representatives from the city, the
public lands department, and the mayor's
office. We were told that the meeting
would be discussed to discuss
accessibility issues, but unfortunately,
the city's ADA coordinator was not
present. When we suggested that the city
representatives walk with our group to
the dog park so they could observe the
challenges our group
faces with the current route, I was
shocked to see them all start to cut
across the grass, avoiding the paved
pathways that your constituents with
mobility issues and strollers and other
circumstances are forced to take.
Most frustratingly, when we rehashed the
prior communications and promises of
repair, including the various times our
community
>> Time.
Next will be Olive Jacobi, followed by
Jim Webster, and then Keith Carrick.
Olive, you may now unmute.
» Hi, my name is Olive Peterson-Jacobi.
I'm here tonight to express my continued
frustration and disappointment
with the City Council,
the city and the mayor, as well as the
police department and the way they
interact with the unhoused population of
Salt Lake City.
Um
especially
as as we are in such a
warm, hot, dangerous time of year, uh
our unhoused neighbors need to be given
priority uh when it comes to
outreach and resources to manage the
temperature.
Um and it just doesn't really seem like
enough is being done.
Uh this city has a habit of
well, allowing the police to brutalize
and displace unhoused people.
Um they often report having their
belongings destroyed uh or being forced
to abandon them because they're afraid
of the police, and then their belongings
are stolen or trashed
uh by, you know, the city when they come
along to clean up.
Uh so, they're losing things like water,
medication, clothing, things that can
help them handle the heat.
Uh I don't know. I don't really have a
script. Just
I'm just very disappointed.
Uh
the city claims to care about its
constituents, but anyone who doesn't own
property is
treated like a second-class citizen,
especially as the city gets more
expensive and we have more and more
transplants coming from out of state.
It's really important that we're
prioritizing looking after the people
who are here.
Um and also I just want to say it's I
find it frankly offensive uh that the
mayor is recommending
uh for people to go out and look after
their unhoused neighbors, see if there's
any way they can help them. Uh when we
as individuals, uh we should be doing
that, but we have no power. Uh we can't
enact systemic changes the way you all
can, and it doesn't seem like you're
doing it.
» And next will be Jim Webster, followed
by Keith Carrick, and then Richard
Oldham. Jim is here in person.
>> My name is Jim Webster. I'm a landscape
» My name is Jim Webster. I'm a landscape
architect. I've done a lot of work with
riparian uh channels. I wrote I was one
of the authors of the riparian overlay
ordinance. And uh in 1987 I designed a
pathway
uh system for Miller Bird Refuge and
Nature Park. Uh we were advised I was
working as a consultant with the Parks
Department. I was a we were advised by
the Police Department to put in a
pathway because there was a lot of crime
and there was no way to circumnavigate
that park. Uh so we we did that and I
was very proud of that. We it included a
bridge down at the other end because uh
people were forced to uh encroach on
church property and so forth. Uh my
background is uh is is in in Salt Lake
and area is the Jordan River Parkway and
a number of other riparian trails. I'm
just curious of how many of you are
familiar I know Dan knows about it, but
are you familiar with the
with the uh
with the Red Butte um or
I don't me, the
the uh Miller Bird Refuge in Nielson
Park.
Are you
Okay.
No. Are you familiar with um the uh
ADA
1990 ADA law that was passed by the
federal government that applies to all
public parks.
Okay. Well, well, we're at a junction
right now where the $425,000
CIP bonds that I wrote 11 years ago is
now being put into effect and um
I'm I'm kind of
I'm kind of concerned because uh one of
the things we asked for was a
reinstatement of that lower path.
Um but I guess we get what we get.
Uh I don't have the numbers in front of
me and Dan, maybe you do, but
I I I believe that at least 60 to 70%
of that grant is going towards deferred
maintenance.
>> Time.
Thank you for your comments. I just
wanted uh reemphasize that as a general
matter, um council members try to
refrain from reacting or responding to
to comments, but if there's additional
information, any commenter is encouraged
to share that information with staff.
Uh Taylor, let's move on to the next
public comment.
Next is Keith Carrick followed by
Richard Oldham and then Ashley Cortez.
Keith, you may now unmute.
» Hi, my name is Keith Carrick. I live on
Parkway Avenue and I'm one of the
spokespeople for the Parkway Avenue
Neighbors Group.
For months, South Salt Lake has met our
requests for honest, constructive
collaboration with silence while their
public narrative is repeatedly
contradicted by the facts.
Consequently, we have issued a formal
legal demand to the involved governments
refuting South Salt Lake's claim to this
open space parcel behind our homes. This
land actually belongs to Salt Lake City
and its future will affect residents for
generations. It should not be fenced
off, neglected, and left to rot or burn.
There's a lot of potential for this
space while ensuring that it is safe. It
could be a community garden serving the
many new residents of Sugar House. It
could be a walk and bike park or
something else.
We invite you to meet with the Parkway
Avenue residents.
We'd love to share ideas with you and we
ask that you place this issue on agenda
for future council work session. Have
the city staff evaluate options for
preserving, protecting, and improving it
so that we can all understand what this
property could be.
We have the facts and the law on our
side. Now we need Salt Lake City on our
side, too. Not only to prevent harm, but
to help create something great. Thank
you.
» And next is Richard Oldham followed by
Ashley Cortez and then Rhett Jeppson.
Richard is here in person.
» So, I believe Richard spoke in place of
his wife previously.
I don't see him here.
>> Great. Good evening, council members. My
» Great. Good evening, council members. My
name is Ashley Moratz. I'm a District 3
resident. First, thank you and the city
staff for the work has gone into
developing the city's new short-term
rental ordinance. I appreciate the
difficult balance that you're trying to
strike between protecting neighborhoods,
expanding housing opportunities, and
providing a clear regulatory framework
for short-term rentals.
I know you discussed this in the working
session and a pre- a fellow owner uh
spoke to these concerns as earlier
tonight. I'm here to ask the council to
reconsider a provision of the ordinance
as it applies to condominium buildings
located in the D3 downtown zoning
district.
I purchased my condominium at 327 West
200 South in 2023 through a
self-directed 401k retirement account
with the understanding that STRs were
permitted use under the city zoning
regulations.
My purchase price reflected that
permitted use.
Our building has approximately 25 condos
and up to 20 have historically operated
as STRs.
Under the new ordinance, the 10% cap
would reduce our building from
approximately 20 operating units to only
two or three licensed STRs.
I respectfully ask the council to
consider whether condominium buildings
like ours in D3 and similar downtown
zoning districts should be treated
differently from buildings in primarily
residential neighborhoods, and whether
they should be exempt from the 10% per
building cap.
This change is not simply an
inconvenience. It materially diminishes
property values, reduces expected rental
income, and drastically alters the
financial assumptions under which we
purchased our properties.
We're ordinary owners who invested our
savings, in my case retirement savings,
in good faith, relying on the city's
zoning regulations and the established
character of our building.
We're not asking for special treatment.
We're asking that the ordinance
recognize unique circumstances of
downtown condominiums where STRs have
long been a lawful and permitted use.
I respectfully ask that you consider
targeted amendments that preserve the
city's policy goals while avoiding
unintended financial consequences for
owners in buildings like ours.
Thank you for your service to the city,
and thanks for considering my comments.
» Next is Rhett Jeppson, followed by
Willow Jeppson, and then Garrett
Beckler. Rhett is here in person.
» My name is Rhett Jeppson. I live in the
Sugar House area adjacent to 2.65 acres
of artificial turf that was installed
last May at the Rowland Heights Sports
Complex. I am here to urge you to uphold
the current prohibition on allowing
artificial turf in residential areas.
This issue is not theoretical for my
family. Living next to an artificial
turf installation, we experience its
impacts every day.
Since the turf was installed, our
property is materially hotter than
before. We have experienced the negative
damaging effects, scorching our trees,
shrubs, vegetable gardens, and plants.
Even our chickens show noticeable signs
of distress.
We regularly use a surface temperature
gun on the turf. A few weeks ago on a
day while the air temperature was 83°,
the turf surface measured 164°.
The turf was roughly 80° hotter than the
surrounding air.
Surprising to many, turf is much hotter
than asphalt and cement.
These extreme surface temperatures
contribute to the urban heat island
effect, making nearby outdoor spaces
less tolerable and potentially unhealthy
for residents. We have lost the peaceful
enjoyment of our own backyard.
Salt Lake City has made significant
effort in reducing heat impacts,
protecting urban trees, conserving
livability, and adapting to a warming
climate. I applaud you. Allowing more
artificial turf in residential
neighborhoods moves us in the opposite
direction. I understand that some
residents are attracted to artificial
turf because it appears low-maintenance.
However, convenience should not outweigh
the long-term impacts on neighborhood
temperatures, surrounding vegetation,
pets, and overall quality of life.
Please do not cave into the few and
overturn a policy that was based on
sound science and careful consideration
of the public good. Thank you.
» Next will be Willow Jepson, followed by
Garrett Beckler, and then Natalia
Trammeloff.
Willow is here in person.
>> Good evening. I was proud of Salt Lake
» Good evening. I was proud of Salt Lake
City when I learned we were one of the
cities leading the way in banning
artificial turf in certain applications.
Our city stands in the vanguard of those
putting public health and environmental
integrity ahead of the so-called
amenities of synthetic turf, showing the
way for other communities in making this
positive change. Last year I was forced
to learn all about the negative effects
of artificial turf first hand when our
next door neighbor, an LEA, installed a
huge amount of it next to our fence
line.
Since there, then our yard has been
engulfed with noxious petrochemical
fumes. Near the turf, my formerly cool
shady yard is now an average of 8 to 10°
hotter than our neighbor's yard on the
other side.
A
difference of this magnitude is
noticeable when it comes to personal
comfort, but even more significant in
how hospitable the environment is to
plant life. Last year, as my husband
mentioned, our trees, shrubs, and garden
were visibly scorched and shriveled by
this new heat island that's now next
door. Microclimate shift is a real
thing. I know because it happened in my
yard. Synthetic grass was formulated in
the 1960s and embraced by cities, sports
clubs, and school districts before its
effects to health and environment are
well known.
Artificial turf gets bad press and
deservedly so. The public needs more
education about its negative effects.
Billboards about its heat, for example.
Two days ago, I measured the artificial
turf on my neighbor's lot at 199.2°
Fahrenheit.
The only good news surrounding turf is
that its drawbacks are finally gaining
notoriety, and little by little more
sports clubs and forward-looking
communities are deciding to put this
chemical grass where it belongs, in the
past. Along with leaded gasoline, DDT,
and airline smoking sections, it's had
its day, and future generations will
say, "What were they thinking?"
Nobody has to use artificial turf. There
are plenty of better options. Please
don't step back from the council's
far-sighted 1995 decision to ban new
artificial turf, and from the wise
resolution you took last year to apply
that ban. For the sake of those who have
the heat island effect imposed by a
neighbor, for the city, for the health
and safety of our city's air, soil, and
water, the Great Salt Lake, and the
downwinders of
>> Time.
Next is Garrett Beckler, followed by
Natalia Trafimov, and then Tim
Ballantyne. Garrett is here in person.
» Good evening, council members. Thank you
for this opportunity. I'm also a Parkway
resident neighbor, uh currently uh
dealing with um
some unfortunate uh controversy with
South Salt Lake and with how things are
are being handled. We are
here to
ask that there be some step in and and a
pause
of what is happening so that way things
can have a better direction and be
figured out where I feel like we could
be heard and things can
move on in a more positive direction.
The thought
with this open space is that there is
already some beautiful fruit trees and
garden boxes that have been there for
40-50 years and there's a lot of things
that have already existed and the
feeling that somebody may want to just
come in and bulldoze and start over with
just a bunch of grass that could
probably light up on fire real fast.
That kind of is a big concern right now
especially for what we just saw with
Tanner Park
since we're in that same kind of
corridor area. It is kind of a very big
concern.
So that's why we're asking for Salt Lake
to please put us on that agenda. Please
let's have some conversation. We want to
be neighborly, want to have that ability
to have dialogue cuz it feels like
with the others we have not had any and
we would love that opportunity just to
be in front of you
and give our our opinions of what that
could be and and give us that chance to
be a great neighbor to not only Salt
Lake, to the residents there.
We we value and we cherish that space.
It has been a fantastic
way for neighborhoods to to grow and and
for memories to be made. One last quick
quote.
People make history, not the other way
around. In periods where there is no
leadership, society stands still.
Progress occurs when courageous,
skillful leaders seize the opportunity
to change things for the better.
Please seize this opportunity and change
it for the better for all of us. Thank
you.
» Next is Natalia Trofimova followed by
Tim Valentiner and then Amy Beckler.
Natalia's here in person.
» Good evening, council members.
Um I am here tonight because I'm
concerned about how public funds are
being spent for the 999 ride and the
community members for bike riding. As
taxpayers, we expect our money to be
used in ways that makes our community
safer, stronger, and more united. Not in
ways that create fear or erode trust.
Practices should be reevaluated as
members of the community are being
viewed as targets rather than neighbors.
On a ride taking place on June 11th, I
was a witness to officer Brennan badge
X115
using profanity at city members.
Um in reviewing the entry police officer
salary at $36.69
approximately for 3 and 1/2 hours, the
city is roughly spending $3,800
on the expense of trying to patrol these
members, excluding any air patrol that
has been used excessively.
Monthly, it would be about 15,500.
I urge you to review these expenditures
carefully and make sure that every
taxpayer dollar is being spent in a way
that serves the entire
not at the expense of it.
Thank you.
» Next is Tim Valentiner, followed by Amy
Beckler, and then Amy Stevenson. Tim is
here in person.
>> Good evening. My name is Tim Valentiner.
» Good evening. My name is Tim Valentiner.
I am here also representing 35 Salt Lake
City residents who live along Parkway
Avenue near Sugar House Park.
As the fellow neighbors have already
talked, we are here to ask for Salt Lake
City's continued engagement and support
ensuring that South Salt Lake acts as
responsible neighbor and landowner.
South Salt Lake's or sorry, Salt Lake
City, Salt Lake County, and Sugarhouse
Park Authority sold this eight-piece
eight-acre piece of land in 1980 to
South Salt Lake, which is located just
on the other side of Sugarhouse Park.
It's a remaining sliver of the park from
when they they cut out I-80.
Um, they that at that time it was sold
by Salt Lake City with the legal
obligation to South Salt Lake that it be
maintained and even landscaped to the
standards of the neighborhood or
automatically revert back to the
original owners, including Salt Lake
City. That has already happened and it
needs to be acknowledged.
They have not maintained it or lived up
to the obligations over the last 46
years.
Council Member Young um and
representatives from the mayor's office
have been working very hard with us on
this issue and but we felt it important
to raise it to the full council.
For months now, our neighborhood has
raised thoughtful questions regarding
South Salt Lake's new plans for the
Parkway Isma property, where their
underground water tanks are located and
have served for some years. However,
there is a large open space parcel east
of their water tanks that has been
abandoned and not used and as a result,
neighbors have been making productive
use of a firebreak, even including
watering it regularly, putting garden
boxes, fruit trees to help create a
firebreak for safety.
No one seeks to prevent South Salt Lake
from continuing to access and using
their water tanks. We are simply asking
for consideration regarding the impact
fencing in the entire property will have
on the neighbor the neighborhoods and in
in particular fire safety,
which is
now hitting very close to home with
recent fires all around us.
South Salt Lake's proposed fencing could
permanently alter a landscape and we're
asking for help to prevent that from
happening. We simply ask for a seat at
the table and Salt Salt Lake City's
continued
>> I'm
Next is Amy Beckler, followed by Amy
Stevenson and then Brent Stevenson. Amy
Beckler, you may now unmute.
Hi, this is Amy Beckler. I live on
Parkway Avenue as well.
Um and as Tim said, the field behind our
house is owned by South Salt Lake and
they have not maintained it as they have
promised or required to do per their
deed of sale. We moved in about 16 years
ago and we were told upon move in that
um neighbors had access and permission
to use the field. And we have been the
ones to maintain it and beautify the
space. We have mowed firebreaks and
watered, pulled weeds, mitigated
invasive species. We have also been able
to make priceless connections with our
neighbors there. And that's the part
that we really love. My children have
gardened with our amazing neighbor. They
helped her weed and water while she
imparted her 60-year-old wisdom upon
them.
They have spent countless hours playing
with neighbors of all ages safely and
imaginatively. It is a space we hold
very dear to our hearts and a space that
has recently created incredible amounts
of stress.
The inability of South Salt Lake to
protect our homes from fires such as the
Tanner Park fire is terrifying. We are
geographically very similar to the way
to the space in Tanner Park. However,
Tanner Park has a road and South Salt
Lake would like to give us a fence.
Um the fence would install
that they want to install would restrict
emergency access especially to
firefighters and other emergency
workers.
It would also take away our ability to
take care of what we have taken care of
for decades
without solving the field's maintenance
problems. It is a space that could
provide so much value to this corner of
Salt Lake Salt Lake City. It could be a
pump track, a pollinator field, a
community garden, so many things. But
what we need is Salt Lake City to stand
up for us. We need to see this space for
the value it holds. And can we please
add Parkway Avenue to a future work
session agenda where those are who are
impacted can all discuss options for
preserving and improving the space.
Thank you.
» And next is Amy Stevenson followed by
Brett Stevenson, and then Reza Bakhtiar.
Amy, you may now unmute.
>> All right, thank you, City Council, for
» All right, thank you, City Council, for
the opportunity to um
present or comment tonight. Um I would
like to address the short-term rental
ordinance that has recently been
established
with some of our fellow owners who are
here tonight. My husband and I purchased
a condo in November last year.
We also purchased in good faith
thinking that the condo was legally
operable as a short-term rental. Um and
honestly, it's just been a nightmare
since then. We are a small family with
young kids, and this was not a
small purchase for us. Um so, what I'm
asking for
is consideration to change some of the
ordinances
or the the restrictions in this
ordinance. Um I am all for regulation
and making it so that short-term rentals
are legally operated, especially in the
downtown districts. We benefit greatly
from short-term rentals as a
family with young kids, hotels are not
really feasible.
Um
so, I'm asking City Council to address
the 10% building cap,
uh especially for condominiums, and
maybe have some type of a grandfather
for people who have been operating for
multiple years
as a short-term rental. Um
like my colleague Ashley said, this is
going to greatly
affect our property values, and we all
purchased the condo with the
um purchase price reflecting short-term
rental ability.
Um
I would also like to address the
two-night minimum stay and the annual
night cap. These numbers seemed
really random, and
um
don't make much sense, especially
in my experience as a short-term rental
operator.
Um, we have had great experiences with
just one-night overnighters who are
traveling
um, between the national parks. So,
thank you for your consideration on
changing these things.
» Next will be Brent Stevenson, followed
by Reza Fakhri.
Brent, you may now unmute.
>> Hey there, can you hear me?
» Hey there, can you hear me?
>> Yes, we can hear you.
» Yes, we can hear you.
>> Perfect. Hey all, uh, you just heard
» Perfect. Hey all, uh, you just heard
from my better half. I made public
comment previously, several months ago,
around STR.
Um, and following up, uh, I I wanted to
say, of course, that we respect and
appreciate the move to introduce this
licensing. You have a large group of
people that are interested in working
with the city, bringing this revenue in,
and doing so legally. Um, I do feel that
the recent ordinance that was passed,
uh, via the budget, was, uh,
not to be offensive, but messy and
fairly poorly outlined. This is
evidenced by some of the response that
was given in today's working session.
Seemingly, and this is without
exception, when the council was
challenging different points of the
ordinances, uh, to the creators and
legal counsel present, their answers
were, "I don't know." And "We don't
really have the data."
I appreciate the board members. I
watched that meeting today.
Um,
thank you, council members, for pushing
on this and exploring some amendment
options. This is encouraging to see for
a local government. Um, quickly, we'll
rattle these off. 10% rule. Um, we've
been told that condos are considered
single-family homes, in effect,
different than wholly owned multi-family
units. With these units being wholly
owned by individual owners,
uh, this is quickly putting together and
stripping single-family property rights
of owners that purchased in the area.
And these are individuals, not, you
know, faceless corporations. Uh, the
two-night minimum
defense that was provided today when
challenged was that it would {quote}
"cut down on foot traffic in the area."
Um, I I guess there's no pushback there,
but we've also been told that it will
cut down on parties. Uh, a perspective
here,
if you're requiring a local
uh,
contact within 2 hours, let them deal
with the nuisance, potentially
introducing decibel readers or what have
you, and not penalizing um, on the
one-night requirement. I have other
points on the 200-night maximum. That
seems erroneous, but I will save
comments for another day. Thank you.
» And next will be Reza Fakhr
Reza, you may now unmute.
>> Good evening, Mayor and members of
» Good evening, Mayor and members of
Council. My name is Reza Fakhr. I'm a
resident of Salt Lake City. I've owned a
condominium in the Warehouse District
Condominiums, a building in the D3 zone
in Salt Lake City for
uh, over 10 years now. I'd like to focus
my comments as others have this evening
on just one area specifically of the
short-term rental ordinance,
specifically the 10% cap for
multi-family buildings. First, I want to
let you know I support the ordinance's
goals, licensing, safety inspections, an
accountable local contact, honest
records. These are all sensible and
reasonable objectives that can and
should be complied with. My concern is
primarily one provision, which is this
10% cap on short-term rentals in
buildings with more than 10 units.
Here's the problem. Salt Lake City
allows short-term rentals mainly in the
same districts where it allows hotels, a
pretty deliberate choice for transient
lodging. The 10% cap exists to protect
long-term housing in residential
neighborhoods, but our building was
never part of that housing supply. It
sits in a district the city zoned for
exactly this use, and this isn't
hypothetical. About 75% of our building
has operated as short-term rentals
openly and lawfully for well over a
decade. The cap would cut that to one in
10, only eliminating roughly seven of
every eight existing rentals
retroactively through a first-come,
first-served scramble that pits neighbor
against neighbor. So, I ask two things.
Uh first, exempt buildings in the
district where short-term rentals are
already permitted. The cap solves
nothing there. So,
uh or at a minimum, grandfather units
with a years-long history or more of
lawful operation. We're not asking to
skip licensing, inspections, or safety
rules. We embrace them. We ask only that
a lawful, properly-zoned, decade-old use
not be erased by a rule built to solve a
different problem. Thank you for your
time.
» And that was the final registered
commenter.
Uh thank you, everyone, uh for your
comments.
Uh Council member Young.
Thank you. I appreciate it. Um I'd just
like to thank everyone who came to speak
tonight with a specific call out to the
Sugar House residents who came to speak
about both the Parkway property
discussion as well as the experience
with artificial turf athletic fields at
Rowland Heights. Um as mentioned in the
comments, although Salt Lake City
Council is not the primary
decision-making authority on these
properties, it's important to note you
are Salt Lake City residents, and your
voices matter. I appreciate the time,
thoughtfulness, and advocacy you've
brought forward on behalf of your
neighborhoods. Thank you for continuing
to engage with us, ask important
questions, and work collaboratively as
these conversations move forward. I'm
grateful for your partnership in helping
protect and strengthen our community.
Thank you.
Thank you, Council member Young. This
concludes our Salt Lake City Council
meeting. The Council's formal meeting
now stands adjourned.
» Good job.
>> Thank you.
» Thank you.
>> it.
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