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» I think we are ready to start. Welcome
everyone to the July 1st, 2026 city
council work session meeting. Uh our
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Our first agenda item today is a
resolution for a waiver of proximity for
Silverside Delhi at 2122 South Highland
Drive. We're gonna welcome at the table
Austin Kimmel, council policy analyst,
um to give us a an introduction and uh
we're going to have Nick Norris, uh
planning director, and Turo Garcia,
director of finance operations, and
Jennifer Madreal from the city licensing
manager, um at the table, too. Austin,
>> thanks, council members. This is a
» thanks, council members. This is a
proposal to consider a request for an
alcohol proximity waiver for Silverside
Delhi, which is a restaurant at 2122
South Highland Drive in District 7.
During the 2026 legislative session, the
Utah State Legislature approved a new
process for cities to authorize
variances when a restaurant wants to
serve alcohol but may be too close to a
community location such as a public
park, playground, or library.
Before a retail license can be issued by
the Department of Alcohol Beverage
Services or DABs, the city council must
approve an alcohol proximity waiver.
These variances require a public hearing
and after 30 days from when that public
hearing is held, the council may approve
the waiver. With that, I will turn it
over to Arturo.
>> Thank you, council members.
» Thank you, council members.
>> Thank you, council members. I'm going to
» Thank you, council members. I'm going to
go ahead and uh skip a lot of my
information since Austin did an amazing
job. Can you speak closer to the
microphone? So, sorry. Thank you.
» Um, because this restaurant's located
across the street from the library, the
state law requires the city to hold the
public hearing and approve a waiver
before the Utah Department of Alcohol
Beverages and Services can issue an
onremise alcohol license. Um, if we can
go over to the next slide, please. Um
so the direct uh pedestrian path um from
the library located to the entrance of
the proposed restaurant is approximately
389 ft which exceeds the requirement in
Utah code. However, when it's measured
in a direct line um it's short by 110 ft
as we will see in the next slide.
We can.
Thank you. So, the current zoning
permits um restaurant and does not
require land use approval to serve
alcohol. This is an MU1 zone. Um in the
planning report, the library has an
outdoor reading area at the rear which
is not visible from the restaurant and
there's also a children's area in the
basement of the library. Um, in the same
building, uh, where Silverside Deli is
located, there are other restaurants
that are licensed to serve alcohol. Um,
these restaurants were approved before
the current proximity rules. And then
just south of the library, um, is Sugar
House Station. That's on the bottom
right on that picture. And they are, um,
classified as a bar and restaurant
establishment.
Um just uh
and just to conclude as well um the
straight line is approximately 90 ft. So
it's short by 110 ft. So planning
division finds no impact to the library
if the if the straight line waiver is
approved. And if we can go to the last
slide please.
So, public input is required before
council may authorize local consent and
uh we would need to wait 30 days before
um you may authorize business license to
sign off on the on the waiver.
Any questions for me? Council members,
» just make there's also a restaurant I
think right next door adjacent to the
the library and then there's uh the
restaurants across the street at the
corner of 21st and Highland. So I've I
think this is an easy waiver to approve
from my perspective. [snorts]
>> Yeah. The use directly south the library
» Yeah. The use directly south the library
is actually a bar,
>> right?
» right?
>> 21 and over.
» 21 and over.
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
So
>> yes, thank you for the information.
» yes, thank you for the information.
Yeah,
>> thank you for that.
» thank you for that.
>> Thank you, council.
» Thank you, council.
>> I appreciate the the information. I
» I appreciate the the information. I
appreciate this process that the
legislature allow us to to to have. Um
and um I I also want to highlight that
the city um
does,
you know, additional uh takes additional
steps to communicate with the neighbors.
They're not required by the law, but we
uh we want to ensure that the neighbors
uh nearby know about this. And so we
send them, you know, some mail uh to
ensure that everybody has a voice at the
table when these decisions are made. So
I appreciate uh that process uh that is
beyond what the law requires. Now we are
moving on to item number two, which is
an ordinance uh for a maximum daily
water use text amendment. We're gonna
keep Austin Kimmel at the table, our
council policy analyst. We're gonna keep
Nick Nick Norris at the table. Thank
you, uh, planning director, but I want
to welcome Laura Briefer, director of
publicities,
uh, to the table. Austin,
>> thanks, council members. I'll just give
» thanks, council members. I'll just give
a very quick introduction before handing
it over to Nick. Um, this is a proposal
to amend Salt Lake City Code, Title 21A,
to limit water use to new
non-residential land uses with some
exceptions. The proposed text amendment
would cap maximum daily use for new
non-residential properties at $200,000
200,000 gallons per day for these
properties. This mirrors a recent
proposal the council approved in March
of this year in in which it uh limited
the maximum daily water use in chapter
title 17 of city code which regulates
per public services like utilities and
defines that maximum water use. Um I'll
turn that over to Nick now to go into a
little bit more details.
>> All right, next slide please.
» All right, next slide please.
Uh so as Austin just mentioned, this was
in this proposal's in uh reaction to the
temporary land use regulations that the
city council adopted on March 24th of
this year. Uh under state code, they can
be in effect for 180 days unless the
city makes those temporary regulations
permanent, which would have to happen
before September 20th, 2026.
Um next slide.
So just to recap why that temporary land
use regulation was enacted primarily due
to um a couple of u climate related uh
realities that we are facing uh with the
warmest
um winter on record also I think the
driest and uh that that trend is mostly
continued at least for our area and so
if not gotten worse. So um next slide.
So the key changes here really uh focus
on the exempt land uses. You can see the
uh stricken language is the old exit
code before the temporary land use
regulations and underlined is new. The
primary change is that uh it was related
to govern owner operated facilities that
primarily provide social services and uh
our zoning code. There's been some
questions about what that means and our
zoning code doesn't define what a social
service is and but it does direct us to
Webster's dictionary when we don't have
a definition
and that definition is a of social
services is a program or effort designed
to promote human or societal well-being
specifically organized help for people
who are in need of assistance with basic
needs such as food, housing, safety or
job training or with medical needs such
as addiction or mental illness. So
that's the definition of that that we
would use when we're interpreting our
code. And I believe that's all we have.
» Thank you. Can I'm going to ask my
typical water usage question. Can you
give me an example, what does 200,000
gallons of water a day look like?
>> That is actually a pretty high water
» That is actually a pretty high water
use. And when we first uh enacted the
changes to title or to chapter 17 and
the land use ordinance back in 2021
2022, we did an analysis of um all of
the large water users on our system. And
what we found is most industry can fit
within that 200,000 gallons per day. So
that includes things like some food
processing,
>> breweries.
» breweries.
>> Exactly.
» Exactly.
um some government other government
facilities, hospitals, those types of
things. Um and uh it it really um we
really didn't have a lot of uses above
200,000 gallons per day except for some
extreme outliers like um oil refining.
Um, and just to give a little bit more
context, when we did that analysis, it
was in large largely in response to a
lot of proposals we were getting uh in
areas of the city that were just being
developed, such as the northwest
quadrant in a much more industrial
context. And we wanted to make sure that
we were being good stewards of our water
resources um as we move forward. and
also a result of a growing water smart
workshop that Nick and I attend attended
for a couple of days to think about the
ways we tie land use and water together.
>> So then acknowledging that most of our
» So then acknowledging that most of our
industry especially you know we
inherited the refineries like you said
they've been here a century now so we
we're learning to coexist with them but
they are not the template for what we
are moving forward. So with the
understanding that most of our industry
is well within this 200,000
and with the acknowledgement that I
think my district has the only remaining
rural land in the city um and does not
have
large farms, although I probably should
ask what 200,000 [clears throat]
agricultural gallons accomplishes. Um
I'm wondering how we arrived at these
exemptions because we don't have it for
hospitals and for um agriculture. I'm
willing to have the conversation, but I
don't know of a homeless shelter that's
housing enough people to justify a
typical average use exemp exemption that
exceeds 200,000. It feels like it leaves
us open to a lot of twisting of words
and intentions with facilities. Um, also
houses of worship, coffee made on Sunday
mornings in the nonLDDS and the filling
of the communion cups should well be
within that 200,000. So on an average
typically expected use for houses of
worship and social services. I'm really
struggling with why we're providing that
as an avenue for exemption. I'm even
struggling with why the agricultural or
the social services or the hospitals
since they're well within it. But I'm
never willing to gamble on the safety of
people. And
>> so like if something happens in an
» so like if something happens in an
emergency, I'm not going to hold anyone
accountable if they use 201,000 gallons
to make sure that our neighbors are safe
during the big earthquake. We're talking
about zoning for everyday expected use.
How did we arrive at those
classifications for exemption? It feels
like we're creating too much latitude
for people to push us. AI services might
be considered social services at some
point. I think um that goes to the
process that we took in 2021 and 2022
and I'm looking to Nick too because we
received some feedback from stakeholders
as we put that those ordinances forward.
Um and so for instance, the um
agricultural community was very
interested in being exempt from the
those from that cap even though we don't
really have that much agriculture in the
Salt Lake Valley. Uh some of our larger
water users um on our system do consist
of um uh churches and church properties
um or or processes associated with uh
those institutions as well as a lot of
other government facilities like like
our parks and cemetery and those types
of things. So we tried to we tried to
cut we tried to find a natural break in
uh to leave us some flexibility and to
make sure that we have flexibility with
those types of social services. Um but
you know that's why we're at the table
again [laughter] looking at whether that
ordinance needs to be revised. I hope
that answers your question.
>> Yeah. Part of it is the way the zoning
» Yeah. Part of it is the way the zoning
code defines what an institutional use
is so broad.
>> Yeah. that it could be interpreted that
» Yeah. that it could be interpreted that
lots of different things might fit
there. And so this was an attempt to
narrow it down to institutional uses
that generally provide some public good.
>> But if I understand what
» But if I understand what
>> I'm in general support of this
» I'm in general support of this
ordinance, I think you've done exquisite
work. I am okay with us taking it even
further. I was just in the Carolinas and
they are under a drought. This isn't
just an US thing. This is a human
behavior thing. We have got to get our
heads and our hands around the water
crisis and start to manage things more
responsibly. It is literally a human
survival issue. So for me in my in my
two cents, I'm I would be happier if we
went even stricter on this and did not
create so many ex exemptions.
>> I I I agree. I mean I circled the place
» I I I agree. I mean I circled the place
of worship when I when I read that. Um I
I understand that trying to balance the
you know the the pressures that we are
under. Um but I'm not sure that there's
going to be a lot of need for you know
for that but there's always a process to
negotiate I guess at some point. Um but
I don't know if there is this is an a
good opportunity to show that we uh to
show in an in ordinance that this is uh
this is that important. Um so I don't
know any other thoughts
about keeping narrowing it even more
maybe. Yeah, I'm I'm open to that idea
because you you raised some good points
because originally back in 21 when we
were discussing this uh uh there was
some uh discussion on lowering it from
200,000 down to 100,000 or $150,000
gallons a day uh because uh all the
businesses I think in Salt Lake City
except for a couple outliers were below
that line. Uh but we came to the
consensus that 200,000 was a good
number. But you you bring up and this is
to close some of the loops that we had
there. But also just because again the
water's so precious. Uh and maybe that
maybe it is say we need to look at just
there is no exceptions on that in this
case except for maybe some um city
functions. So,
I'm not uh I'm not opposed to it. So, I
would I'm open to having a conversation
on that one.
>> Yeah, I would love the AI data center
» Yeah, I would love the AI data center
that's dedicated to uh preventing
teenage suicide could be considered a
social service and then become exempt
from this. You know, I I I just think
that we don't see what's coming. And the
I what I do know is protecting water is
a basic human need and [clears throat]
that to me falls under public safety
like making sure there is a fireman or
police person responding when they call
911.
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
>> Will you repeat your definition of
» Will you repeat your definition of
social service? Um was that in a slide?
>> No.
» No.
>> No. Just sorry. What was that?
» No. Just sorry. What was that?
>> Social services your definition because
» Social services your definition because
>> I'm not sure. Yeah. I would love a
» I'm not sure. Yeah. I would love a
little more clarity on what that means.
>> Yeah. So, that was that definition I
» Yeah. So, that was that definition I
read. Um,
>> will you repeat it
» will you repeat it
>> and I'm happy to read it again. It says,
» and I'm happy to read it again. It says,
"A program or effort designed to promote
human or societal well-being,
specifically organized help for people
who are in need of assistant with basic
needs such as food, housing, safety, or
job training, or with medical needs such
as addiction or mental illness.
>> Okay.
And will that be that definition be
included on the on the on
>> so it's not included in our code and
» so it's not included in our code and
what our code says is if we don't define
a term then we use the current version
of the Webster dictionary and that
definition is directly from the Webster
dictionary. The the downside of that is
that we don't control the Webster
dictionary.
>> So that could change. Um and so it's
» So that could change. Um and so it's
very easy to add a definition like this
or to our code or simply remove that
except exemption. I I prefer that we add
the language into the code that we think
it is the what our interpretation of the
social services is and we control as
many variables as we can because to that
point I it would be very hard for people
to say that there is a an AI you know
that is dedicated to you know because
it's very clear in the definition but I
but I I do I would prefer that we
include the the the definition but we
also we explore narrowing it even more
um if other council members feel like it
seems like maybe three of us are sort of
support um to add more more narrowing if
that makes sense.
>> So I do think that because this is a
» So I do think that because this is a
temporary land use we're limited to this
section of our code. We are about to
start a process with public util
utilities where we review all of our
land uses and where they're allowed to
see if there's other land uses that
might need to be subject to further
restrictions. Data centers is obviously
one of those whether it's a closed loop
system or not types of things. Some, you
know, in like the North Point area, data
centers are required to have a closed
loop which uses significantly less water
than an openloop system. So, those are
all things that we can that we plan on
looking at, but that might be outside
the realm of this unless you're adding
more specific uses that
would otherwise be prohibited.
>> Council member Napier Pierce,
» Council member Napier Pierce,
>> Mr. Chair, thank you. Um, just
» Mr. Chair, thank you. Um, just
clarifying when you say narrowing, do
you mean lowering the ceiling
>> of of the water? No, I meant giving less
» of of the water? No, I meant giving less
exceptions or naming less exceptions.
So, we're not talking about messing with
the 200,000. Okay. Thank you.
>> The,
» The,
you know, to to your comment a second
ago, I will love the administration to
uh to put that lens of, you know, across
the board. And one of the things that we
we talked uh uh many times in the past
and and between us is the issues of
lawns and you know complexes and you
know I would love to see a a harsh
approach across the board and see what
levers we can we can pull even if it's
you know for the future for new
approvals but also trying to figure out
what to do backwards for those that have
been approved and how do we incentivize
them or you know what what levers do we
have? I think this council feels very
strongly about you know the use of
water. Um and we want to find the tools
and we are a little odds and trying to
find out what tools we have available.
Um, it might also be a good idea at some
point when we have some time to go
through our updated water supply and
demand plan um that looks out the next
50 years or so and our updated water
conservation plan because in addition to
the land use code, there are some
recommendations
um for chapter 17 that at some point
might be interesting to discuss around
um wasted water ordinances and things
like that. Um that are less targeted at
a type of land use and more targeted at
a much more careful stewardship and
management of the water. Um and in
addition to that a lot of other
engagement. So you know working with our
community members who are large water
users and doing audits on their
facilities and things like that. So um
there may be a lot of tools in our tool
box um that we are using now that could
also be um enhanced.
>> Thank you so much.
» Thank you so much.
>> Yeah,
» Yeah,
>> that will be amazing to see. Council
» that will be amazing to see. Council
member D.
>> Yeah, I just want to also make sure that
» Yeah, I just want to also make sure that
we all are aware that we have to have
this approved by September 20th because
that's a six-month deadline. So I think
we just backed that but I think we're do
we have a public hearing on this stuff?
But I'm all I'm open to the to the more
restrictive language on the uh as you
said chair
>> I think we have time right maybe
» I think we have time right maybe
hopefully
>> I just want to make sure that part is
» I just want to make sure that part is
yeah
>> okay thank you for that
» okay thank you for that
>> the definition
» the definition
>> yeah can we just is it clear that the
» yeah can we just is it clear that the
the council would like the definition of
social services to be included in the
final ordinance
>> feel okay without including the language
» feel okay without including the language
>> and with that are we looking at the
» and with that are we looking at the
larger ordinance to potentially even
pair down the exemptions even more.
That's the temporary with the longer
term. I'm happy with that.
>> All right, we'll provide you with an
» All right, we'll provide you with an
updated ordinance reflecting that
definition.
>> Thank you so much.
» Thank you so much.
>> Thank you.
» Thank you.
>> Thank you.
» Thank you.
>> Uh moving on to item number three.
» Uh moving on to item number three.
This is an ordinance to uh for enhancing
transparency for public for police
automatic license plate reader systems.
The council will receive a brief
introduction from Michael Sanders.
council policy analyst and Hannah
Bickery, senior city attorney uh joining
us at the table. Our chief readers are
here as well for questions if we have
any.
Michael, it's your time.
Okay,
great. [sighs]
Thank you, council. So,
in December of 2025, the council held a
public hearing regarding a 2024 COPS
grant, which, if approved, would have
accepted $224,000
to purchase and install automatic
license plate readers on major egress
and ingress roads as part of a multi-
agency effort to improve public safety
and reduce criminal activity. During the
public hearing, many constituents
expressed that they were concerned
regarding the Salt Lake City Police
Department's use of ALPRs, particularly
as they related to privacy, civil
liberties, and the potential for abuse.
Following the public hearing, council
chose to defer action on the grant, and
then council leadership requested
council staff to work with the
attorney's office and police department
to craft an ordinance to address
concerns related to the police
department's use of ALPRs. That's what
we're going to present to you today.
Next slide.
So this ordinance will be housed in the
same section of code as the bodywn
camera ordinance. The chapter is going
to be renamed to technology use and the
chapter will then be split into two
parts. It will retain the bodywn camera
ordinance and add this new ALPR
ordinance. It will create regulations
over four main categories. Authorized
uses, the sharing of ALPR data,
training, and audits and reporting. Next
slide.
The ordinance allows for the Salt Lake
City Police Department to use ALPRs as
outlined in applicable federal, state,
and local law. And the slide here
outlines the allowed uses from state
code.
Next slide.
Additionally, state law allows police
departments to use ALPRs to verify valid
vehicle registrations, confirm vehicle
identifications, verify insurance
information, and identify stolen
vehicles. Next slide.
Our proposed ordinance also includes
several expressly prohibited uses of
ALPRs. Our ordinance would prohibit the
use of facial recognition, targeting an
individual based on their exercise of
their first amendment rights and
discrimination against an individual
individual based on race, color,
religion, sex, sexual orientation,
national origin, age, disability, or
genetic information. Next slide.
One of the things that make ALPR systems
effective is data sharing. This can be
seen in some recent successful stories
of the recovering of missing or
endangered persons. And entities sharing
data with each other helped to resolve
crimes quicker. For an entity to receive
direct access to our ALPR system, they
must enter into a formal with us. And
lines 58 through 100 of the proposed
ordinance outline the terms which must
be included in thatou.
Next slide.
It's important to note that when we
enter into an MOU for ALPR data sharing,
entities are granted controlled query
only access. They can search but they
cannot alter any data. Next slide.
So these bullet points here outline some
of the highlights of theou requirements
such as requiring the entity to use best
practices, maintain audit logs, and
report data breaches. If at any time
they are found to be in violation of
theou, their access can be revoked upon
termination of theou. Next slide.
So all users of the ALPR system either
employed by Salt Lake City or by other
entities must complete training. Next
slide.
Audits. So the ordinance as drafted
requires a Salt Lake City Police
Department to conduct quarterly audits
and to complete an annual comprehensive
review. I like to think of these in
terms of big A and little A audits. So
the department will complete four little
A audits every year where they are
essentially taking batches of the ALPR
query data and ensuring baseline
compliance with ordinance and policy.
Then the annual big A audit will cover
overall system use, access controls,
data retention practices, and compliance
trends. The annual review will be posted
publicly on the police department's
website.
And next slide.
So the final four slides contain some
points which have previously been shared
with the council that I just want to
remind everyone of regarding Salt Lake
City Police Department's ALPR use. I'm
not going to read all of them, but I
just want to hit a couple of the main
points. So the city's contracted ALPR
vendor is Vigilant Solutions. The ALPR
system is used exclusively for criminal
investigations.
Next slide.
To be able to search or query the ALPR
system, users must log in and document a
case using a case number, choose an
authorized purpose, and an authorized
reason for the search. Next slide.
So, all of these queries are auditable.
Currently, the audits are conducted by
nonsworn civilian staff. And I just want
to note that recommendation 1.3 of the
2025 performance audit of the Salt Lake
City Police Department uh stated that
quote executive leadership of the Salt
Lake City Police Department should
consider the merits of an internal audit
function. The inclusion of an audit
function could identify inefficiencies,
ensure compliance, and improve the
department's performance. Next slide.
So just now one note on the real-time
crime center. ALPRs are a key component
of the real-time crime center and also
there have been some concerns related to
AI usage with ALPRs. The real-time crime
center does have limited AI
capabilities. However, it can only be
used for object recognition and any use
of object recognition is reviewed and
verified by human before use for any
investigative purposes. It is not
generate. It is not generative AI and
facial recognition is not used. Next
slide.
So that's all we have. And just a note
on the sequencing of this. We're
scheduled to set the date for public
hearing on this ordinance on August 18th
and it's proposed to hold a public
hearing on September 15th. And with
that, I'll pass it back to the council
for question and discussion if we have
any questions. We've got me legal and
we've got the police department here as
well.
>> Yeah. I want to highlight that um the
» Yeah. I want to highlight that um the
work uh on sorting through this uh from
from the the agency, the our chief and
their their staff, legal team and uh
Michael and the council staff uh to make
this happen. I this is an ordinance that
started on this side of the aisle. Um
you know uh as a response from this
council uh to ensure that the city has
uh clear
boundaries uh and a clear process and
how to uh use these data uh and how to
use these tools correctly. So I I really
appreciate uh the the the ordinance that
we have in front of us that we requested
as a council. Um, so council members, I
don't know if you had had a chance to
review u any other questions you have or
or thoughts. Council member Ritro,
>> I want to start by saying thank you to
» I want to start by saying thank you to
the police department. This issue, as
you know, when I look at it is so much
bigger than just license plate readers
and what you do, but you're the tip of
the spear because it's really visible.
Um, so thank you for the hard work
already. When we talk about the training
that the sworn officers are receiving,
is this a generalized data
management kind of training? Is are we
talking about all places? Are we talking
about all the ways that we're capturing
data or are we specifically training
them just on license plate readers? And
if so, is there something unique to the
license plate reader? I, you know, I was
just asking council member Warren. Like
it's really funny to me that the state
has approved this and said guidance for
it, but they still won't do red light
cameras. In my mind, I can't understand
what the difference is and why we're
allowing one and not the other. So, from
the experts who actually use it, is
there something unique about the license
plate readers that we're training on or
is this just a comprehensive we're
making sure that anyone who interacts
with our people's data, they're going to
protect it?
>> I'd like to pitch that to Chief Fred.
I have not personally been through the
license plate reader training here at
the PD and probably based on this uh
ordinance if it passes we'll be
adjusting that training but I think
historically the training is really
focused on the license plate reader
program and the policy uh policies uh
that we have around it specifically but
we're certainly open to broadening that
uh given the other technologies that we
utilize. Um, so we could definitely
broaden it.
>> I just I just worry that we like forests
» I just I just worry that we like forests
and trees overfocus on one thing when as
I said this you all are doing work that
you shouldn't have to do. This is a this
is a technology thing that we should be
off someone out externally should be
offering you guidance on how to protect.
But I don't think any system I've not
seen the business or the municipality
that's prepared to step into this. So, I
just want to make sure we don't get too
in the weeds on just license plate
readers and we're cognizant of all the
ways that we're collecting data and
we're protecting people in every way
that we're collecting that data and
using it. Um, we talked about the access
being revoked for those who can access
the system. So, can you help me
understand that too? Are we saying that
another agency, let's say the ex X city
police department, do they is it like we
have an ongoing
access agreement with them and then they
can only use that access when they come
with a valid case number or is each
incident of accessing it a new license?
So, so if if another police department
wanted to access our system, they would
have to enter into a robustou that uh
Miss Vigory worked on extensively and
she could speak to that. But each time
that the system is accessed, a case
number, a reason, and crime type has to
be entered for each query and then
that's logged and tracked. So we're
saying if they even once are found to be
in violation then the entirety of their
ability in going forward is compromised.
>> We can just turn it off. Yes.
» We can just turn it off. Yes.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> We have a flip of a switch.
» We have a flip of a switch.
>> And then how does this work in cases
» And then how does this work in cases
where other levels of government have
privacy or preeemption capabilities? Do
state, county, state, or federal have
the ability to come in and use the
supremacy clause and say, "Well, we can
just have this information since you're
capturing it anyway."
>> No. State statute governs the types of
» No. State statute governs the types of
uses for the license plate reader. Um,
the only way that if if someone didn't
agree to those uh to to the to the to
theou that we're developing and agree to
follow state statute, we would refuse it
and the only way they could they could
get access to the data would be a court
order or warrant at that point.
>> So DEA, FBI, all of them, they could
» So DEA, FBI, all of them, they could
have their access revoked and we would
be able to stay in control of that until
some Supreme Court decision changes
that.
>> That's correct. Yeah, we we could turn
» That's correct. Yeah, we we could turn
it off and then if they wanted to compel
to us to turn over information, it would
have to be through a court order or a
warrant.
>> By that point, the person sensibly is
» By that point, the person sensibly is
not driving around anymore and we can't
use them the real time tracking.
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
>> Okay. Thank you.
» Okay. Thank you.
>> Yeah. And you know, every agency that
» Yeah. And you know, every agency that
needs access, including federal
agencies, need to enter an anou with the
city. Um so you know any federal agency
uh law enforcement agency needs to enter
into an agreement with us to get access
to the data which I think is uh how we
want this data to be used so we have the
control of it. Um I do want to uh give
the time to two council members have uh
comments before me but I will keep mine
for later. So council member Carlson and
then council member Wharton.
Uh Chief, thank you so much for being
here um with us. um have received some
uh questions and as you know there are
questions from the public about the role
of automated um license automatic
license plate reader systems and I'll
just name that we have um with this
particular tool we can have some things
some values in conflict with each other
both the value of public safety and
public order and also a value around
concerns about privacy and so I'm
holding both of those values in my mind
and I recognize said there can be
concerns about them and so my questions
are really um from a spirit of trying to
understand the technology its
limitations and what happens um in
instances of misuse. So I have one
specific question but I saw on the slide
and this goes back to my trying to
understand this technology. I saw that
um there's a capability to search but
not alter data. I don't know if that was
if we can go back to that slide. I
wanted to understand what that meant for
other entities and what does it mean to
alter data and how is that different
from just searching for it.
>> I think what this slide was intending
» I think what this slide was intending
but Michael can comment on this if I'm
misunderstanding.
>> Yeah, Scott, that's slide seven.
» Yeah, Scott, that's slide seven.
>> Um, and do you want to comment or do you
» Um, and do you want to comment or do you
want me to go ahead? Yeah. So, so
essentially I think what we're saying is
if another department misused the the
the system and so they did a query
inappropriately, they didn't have a
criminal reason or they didn't it was it
was not in good faith. Um that that
police department personnel could not go
in and and and like change the data or
delete the transaction. Like the
transaction is logged and that goes for
our people too. Once a transaction is
logged, it can't be it can't be edited
or or or changed or or deleted. So, it's
it's logged. And I think that's what the
slide was intending.
>> Okay. Thank you. I was trying just
» Okay. Thank you. I was trying just
trying to understand what what that
distinction meant. Um the next is that I
saw in the staff report that um if uh
individuals access um this data for an
inappropriate reason or for not the
reasons identified um uh both both state
code and this proposed ordinance. Um
staff would be held accountable for
misuse. I understand that's a policy
direction, but I'm curious, you know, if
we can ensure that there is swift
accountability.
>> Sure. regarding regarding misuse of this
» Sure. regarding regarding misuse of this
given that there have been nationwide
some instances although narrowed of
police officers using this technology um
for inappropriate reasons.
>> So there are already currently state
» So there are already currently state
laws in place not directly related to
ALPR but re related to sharing criminal
justice information inappropriately
accessing it inappropriately. So, a
classic example is um an officer looks
up the driver's license of a of a of a
former girlfriend to find out where
they're now currently living and get to
get an address. That type of that type
of behavior. Uh currently, state statute
does not prohibits that. And so what
would typically happen in a case like
that and same with any LPR abuse um that
if it was one of our own officers um
that information maybe was captured in
an audit or someone called in with a
concern um and we found an issue we
would internally investigate that and
and likely pass that to another police
department to to review for it's a class
B misdemeanor to misuse criminal justice
data and we would likely refer something
like that to another police department
to have a criminal review. We would do
our own internal review. And then if it
if it reaches the level of of criminal,
whether they're prosecuted or not, that
that is also any any class C or B
misdemeanor offense is also referred to
peace officer standards and training. So
then you have a third bite at the apple
essentially, which is now post will be
looking at their peace officer
certification. So there's an internal uh
investigation that could result in
disciplinary issues for policy
violations, a criminal review
potentially in in certain cases, and
then the the the certification uh
investigation as well. So those three
areas.
>> Okay. And um last last question, just
» Okay. And um last last question, just
really trying to um understand this
technology. Um an officer who is trained
to use the technology is able to access
it. um of course with a case number and
of course for a criminal reason. Do they
access that alone or is there someone
else who it's just recorded that the
query took place?
>> It's my understanding that it's just
» It's my understanding that it's just
recorded that the query took place.
>> Okay. Do we know if the technology has
» Okay. Do we know if the technology has
um any capabilities for a second um
almost like a matching key associated
with it to ensure and prohibit misuse?
So essentially you're asking like a
supervisory approval.
>> Yes. And and I understand that might be
» Yes. And and I understand that might be
at odds with wanting to get the
information in a timely fashion.
>> I don't know if the technology allows
» I don't know if the technology allows
for that type of capability. I would
have to go back and look.
>> Okay. Thank you.
» Okay. Thank you.
>> But we I'll do that for you.
» But we I'll do that for you.
>> Thank you.
» Thank you.
>> I'm going to take a note on my phone.
» I'm going to take a note on my phone.
Just
» Thank you. Um Chief, so does
um
you said state code defines what it can
be used for and one of them is criminal
investigation.
Is there any more um like guidance or
specificity there? And the reason for my
question is, how do you prevent um
um an officer from just saying, "Oh, I I
was investigating a crime, but it turns
out there was no crime here, but they've
already accessed the information." I
mean, other than just declaring that
they're researching it for a crime, like
how what other controls are there?
>> Yeah. So, a a case number. So, not only
» Yeah. So, a a case number. So, not only
that it's a crime, but the crime type
and then a case number that has to so
that has to associate back to a report.
So, so if if someone put a case number
in and we found that it's not a real
case number, you know, that's going to
be in that would be a ter terminable
offense in my opinion. Um, but we can go
back to the report and look at the
specific reason that was outlined in the
report for the for the check. But what
if it's um
there is a case number, there is like a
legitimate investigation,
but they're
um they're accessing accessing
information that isn't related to that.
Like, does that make sense?
>> We would have to catch something like
» We would have to catch something like
that in an audit or, you know, based on
a complaint that came in. Um and and and
that may be a situation where there was
nefarious intent, but it may be that um
we need to educate, but I mean that
that's one of those things that would
have to be caught in an audit, I think.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> You mean someone putting a case number,
» You mean someone putting a case number,
a real case number
>> apparent related to what they're
» apparent related to what they're
searching for?
>> Yeah. Yeah. or they or maybe even they
» Yeah. Yeah. or they or maybe even they
create a a I don't know how hard it is
to get a case number to say there's an
open investigation, but maybe they do
that just to get the data that they want
and then they're like, "Oh, I I
investigated it's closed case."
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
>> Well, the generated case number that
» Well, the generated case number that
goes into our records management system,
I mean, that's I mean, it's a you know,
if you generate that, then it generates
a a report and then it requires a
supervisor's review and approval of that
report. Mhm.
>> So, you know, if someone did that and
» So, you know, if someone did that and
you know, I mean, again, there's there
there are ways there are there are
people maybe that would do that and with
nefarious intent, but I think we would
be able to catch that with our regular
controls.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> Conser Pierce.
» Conser Pierce.
>> Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you, Chief.
» Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you, Chief.
Um I
maybe this is a question that's already
been asked previously, but in our staff
report it says uh the city's contracted
mentor is Vigilant Solutions and only
authorized SLCPD personnel and approved
law enforcement partners are permitted
to access this information. So who are
the approved law enforcement? those who
would go through the training for our
department and then for other police
departments, those who enter theou and
then receive the training.
>> Okay. So, it's not just some random
» Okay. So, it's not just some random
police officer in Syracuse who happens
to have a case number. And
>> if if Syracuse, there's a couple ways
» if if Syracuse, there's a couple ways
that could go. So if the Syracuse Police
Department wanted to access our license
plate reader, they could reach out to
they could reach out to us and ask us to
conduct the check. We would at that
point take a case number. We would ask
for the reason and the crime type and
then we could run that and provide the
information or if they wanted to access
the system directly themselves, they
could enter into theou go through the
training and then have uh all of the
outlined uh steps that they would need
to take. So auditing, best practices and
technology, all those things that we put
into theou. So those are the two ways
that another department could get access
to the information.
>> Do you think it is um
» Do you think it is um
>> feasible to have a human gatekeeper
» feasible to have a human gatekeeper
instead of just the the query system
that you were talking about?
>> Yeah. I mean those are the two ways,
» Yeah. I mean those are the two ways,
right? We could have them call us on the
phone and request that and that's
>> No, I meant for every request. for every
» No, I meant for every request. for every
request
>> feasible.
» feasible.
>> Um,
» Um,
>> so then you have a second set of eyes on
» so then you have a second set of eyes on
every request.
>> I mean, we we could, but it's the same
» I mean, we we could, but it's the same
information being provided, whether it's
put into the system or given to a human,
that the same information would be
provided. Okay.
>> Does that make sense? member, you mean
» Does that make sense? member, you mean
that a a person from our police
department um
approves basically the the in inquire
before it release the information?
>> Is that what you mean?
» Is that what you mean?
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> But I mean they would provide this. So
» But I mean they would provide this. So
the case number, the crime type, and the
reason that they have to provide now,
whether they provided that verbally or
into the system, it would it would
likely get approved and then the
auditing would would check. You know, we
would do our regular audits to go in.
>> I'm just trying to look for a guard rail
» I'm just trying to look for a guard rail
just to prevent abuse. And I don't know
what that would be, but we could think
about that for sure.
>> Thank you.
» Thank you.
>> You're um you had a a point
» You're um you had a a point
clarification, right?
>> Yeah. Just for Victoria, [clears throat]
» Yeah. Just for Victoria, [clears throat]
the there was a focus on the license
plate readers. With this one,
>> there is a group, a working group within
» there is a group, a working group within
the city right now working on data
privacy issues.
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
>> They will be addressing the components
» They will be addressing the components
that you're talking about and also they
will still review this to ensure that
it's consistent.
>> Yeah. And I wanted to add to that that
» Yeah. And I wanted to add to that that
we have flagged that concern from you.
Um but I think this is what this is
necessary right now. uh we have we are
using this this readers right now
without this boundary. So this is a
incredible step forward from the city to
actually put it on code on the code not
on a policy from the department on our
code and we also have a similar
ordinance right now with body a cam uh
camera ordinance. So uh maybe at some
point we will have to have an umbrella
ordinance uh that manages all other
pieces of data including drones and what
other other tools that are coming our
way. But what I do think uh this
[clears throat] ordinance adds is a a
clear process um and a clear auditing
process to which we need. I will
personally and I was um follow this al
all along while we were going through
it. I wanted to highlight that uh
criminal is a piece uh key to the
searches. They has to be a criminal case
not a civil case. Civil cases cannot be
searched. Um which I think is is very
important to me and to this city. Um I
will also personally would like that
while we pass this ordinance we ask for
report to the council when there is
misuse much like when there is a
critical incident. um because I think it
is important for us to know when another
department or internal hopefully not uh
mis misuses um and I will personally
like to explore if there is I have a
high level of trust with our officers uh
and you know with your leadership and
how you're going to ensure that our
officers follow as much as you can
follow the law um but I would love to
explore additional auditing if possible
to other agencies so anybody else that
requests access to us that we have extra
eyes on them. Um I I wonder uh if there
is a way of asking them to send us a
report of all their inquirs, you know,
and why, you know, it's basically put
them on on their job and say all of
these were your requests last week or
next last month, you know, can you tell
us, you know, if there is any mismatch
because I want them to feel obligated to
follow our rules. Um I wonder if there
is a a process in ourou to say to them
you have to justify because then it is
an additional is an additional set of
eyes from their side.
>> I believe in theou m miss vickery is
» I believe in theou m miss vickery is
that the case or we can cont if if it's
not the case we can definitely review
what might what might work there.
>> Yeah I can in terms of the ordinance and
» Yeah I can in terms of the ordinance and
what it requires I can speak to that. So
under section C, sharing ALPR data, if
you look at section 1 I, um that sets
forth that the receiving governmental
entity shall establish, maintain, and
implement self- auditing procedures
designed to monitor its compliance with
the terms of theou.
The receiving governmental entity shall
document the results of such audits in
an annual written report which shall be
made available to the police department
upon request and retained by the
receiving governmental entity for no
less than 5 years. The receiving
governmental entity shall properly and
in no event later than 5 days after the
discovery provide a copy of any annual
audit report which finds the material
violation of the memorandum of
understanding to the police department.
And then section J is also relevant and
provides um I'll just sort of paraphrase
this that it that the city at its own
election can come in and audit at any
time.
>> Okay. Also, if I recall in here, it
» Okay. Also, if I recall in here, it
requires any breach or misuse to be
reported within 24 hours of the Salt
Lake City Police Department.
>> So, if they catch some misuse, they have
» So, if they catch some misuse, they have
to report it.
>> Is that it was 24 hours?
» Is that it was 24 hours?
>> I think I saw that somewhere. Yeah.
» I think I saw that somewhere. Yeah.
>> Yeah, that's K. Section K.
» Yeah, that's K. Section K.
>> Okay. [clears throat] I think that's
» Okay. [clears throat] I think that's
that that is encouraging to me. uh you
know uh council member Petro, council
member Carlson
>> um this might be something where I need
» um this might be something where I need
to come over and talk with you more
because as we've been talking it occurs
to me there's two different ways in
which the license plate readers are
being used that are slightly different.
So there's the DEA coordinating with you
to find out if this person was in this
area doing this, which is a much longer
term, much more premeditated, able to
submit the case number. And then there's
the emergent, we need to know where this
car is heading because there we believe
they have a abducted child
>> mapping. Yeah.
» mapping. Yeah.
>> And and we're collaborating and I'm not
» And and we're collaborating and I'm not
really sure of what the process looks
like in each of those. I love the way
we've been talking about these, but it
feels to me like in the emergent
situation, there's a different level of
vulnerability versus the not. So, it
might not be the time to do it right
now. I know we're trying to keep to a
schedule, but as we've been talking, it
just occurred to me and and I was
talking to Council Member Wharton about
it. How do we in light is does the real
time crime center have something
different that offers a level of
protection than maybe that more
deliberative longerterm research-based
kind of use of this technology would
have and and just making sure that the
protections are there in all of those
implementations.
>> I think the process would be fairly
» I think the process would be fairly
similar uh again but we could definitely
look to see on those you know emergent
issues if there's something that we
could do for a double check.
>> Thanks. Yeah. What what level of
» Thanks. Yeah. What what level of
vulnerability you mean when it's
something more, you know, urgent.
>> So like if if if there's if if a child's
» So like if if if there's if if a child's
been abducted, which is always the
everyone's example for why we need this.
Um that would be something like Leighton
calling saying they're heading your way.
We need access to your system to see if
this license plate comes through. Right?
Like any other city could call.
>> But they need to still have a case
» But they need to still have a case
number, don't they?
>> Still need a case number, a crime tie.
» Still need a case number, a crime tie.
>> Would you have a case number at that
» Would you have a case number at that
point if if if they're already in
pursuit? If if if our police if police
in a different jurisdiction
>> happen on something, someone takes a kid
» happen on something, someone takes a kid
and and leaves, there would be that
>> at a minimum there would be a dispatch
» at a minimum there would be a dispatch
number. So a call for service, it would
be tied to a call for service number and
then later if there's a a police report
generated, it could be used that. But
either way, I see
>> whether it's a dispatch uh incident
» whether it's a dispatch uh incident
number or a case number, we could track
it back. these those those really urgent
issues are the like only honestly
compelling things like these help our
police officers know how to track things
in real time. So that to me is the most
compelling but it also feels like that's
where it would be the most tenuous. You
all are actively doing the work. You
don't have time to be an administrator
while you're being a pursuer. So um you
know so just making sure that we don't
drop balls in that and we can use the
power of this without compromising
safety.
>> They can always if they haven't
» They can always if they haven't
generated a case number in their records
management system they can always
provide the dispatch. There will always
be an incident number from dispatch. So,
>> okay,
» okay,
>> Carlson.
» Carlson.
>> Um, I just want to echo uh my gratitude
» Um, I just want to echo uh my gratitude
to Council Member Petro for asking these
um larger questions about data data
privacy across all of the different
platforms that we use and how to ensure
that the data that we do collect
regardless of the type of data that we
collect is secure. Um I have faith in
the police department to maintain that
security of data. Multinational
corporations not so much. So, I want to
ensure that we are well protected in
that regard. Um I feel like in uh you
know our role as a council and policy
makers it's about you know surfacing all
angles of an argument and thinking about
how to how to find the best way forward
and so you know we have I frame this
conversation as uh both a public safety
concern but also could be a concern
about privacy and so I wanted to give
you chief an opportunity to talk about
what might be the benefits from a public
safety perspective of this technology.
Well, first I would just like to talk
about the privacy, the civil liberties
uh concern. We we want to have
technology to do our jobs, but that has
to be something that the public at some
level trusts and we have to make it
sustainable. So, I just want to put on
the record that the privacy, the civil
liberties and protections are extremely
important to us in the police department
and we're willing, as I've said in the
past publicly, we're willing to engage
with individuals who are concerned and
and hear them out and try to learn. As I
mentioned earlier, we've had the ACLU in
a couple times, and as I've said also on
record, they they don't always agree. We
don't always agree on on issues, but I
appreciate that they're an organization
that's willing to come in and listen,
and they've been into the Real Time
Crime Center, and we've talked to
license plate readers. Um the but the
the the example that I used earlier
today is you know when when cars were
invented this you know if police
officers stayed on horses and didn't
adapt to the new technology the police
car we would be behind the curve and and
I think as adop technologies are adopted
societal you know in society at some
level we we would like to be able to use
those technologies and what we're
finding and I can use a couple examples
we we had Uh it was this was this was
publicly communicated so I can share it.
But back earlier this year we had a
triple homicide in Wayne County. Uh this
an individual went on a killing spree
down there and then left the state. And
it was license plate readers that
identified where the individual was and
he was over in Colorado within a and
within a tw a short 12 hours. The triple
homicide was was uh the individual was
arrested and and we prevented
potentially additional murders in in
that case. So this is the type of of
ways that we're using the technology. I
could share other cases. Um uh there was
an individual earlier this year who was
coming from a different state. Uh had
been making some threats and it was a
license plate reader that indicated yes
actually they're broaching they're
coming into our state and we were able
to make an intervention and deal with
that issue. So, this goes on on a
regular basis and um again uh we we want
to use this technology responsibly
because we want to prevent victimization
in in our cities. And so, uh we we
appreciate the council for being willing
to dialogue and and listen and and and
uh be open to the uses of these
technologies and we want to we want to
we want to use them appropriately.
» Any other thoughts?
Just sorry one more thing. I just want
to thank you for um for having or other
organizations come in like ACLU and look
at this um because I mean this is an
ordinance that or this this whole area
um of LPR's
is really difficult for me and I have a
lot of conflict as uh as just a resident
as a as an attorney as someone who
practiced criminal defense for a little
while like I I really have a lot of
conflicts internally with this, but I
also um recognize the you know the
examples that you've given and countless
others of the public safety aspect of
this. And so I really am trying to
balance all of that and having groups
that I'm sure
it's, you know, difficult and there are
probably some officers that feel
uncomfortable having some of these
organizations come and do those checks,
but I think it it to me means a lot and
I think to the community means a lot
because at the end of the day, we've got
a lot of these procedures and controls
in place. Um, and I think we've done the
most the best that we can, but there is
an element of of like judgment and
trust.
>> There is,
» There is,
>> you know, these are still humans that
» you know, these are still humans that
are operating this. There are still, it
sounds like we've tried to think of
every way to to narrow it that we can,
but you know, at the end of the it's
just like what police officers do every
day in their job. there is an element of
trust there that they are
um the good guys and they're using this
information for good and um I think
have in a time where people have a lot
of distrust in a lot of organizations
not not just government but many
organizations
um and that includes public safety being
able to say that we
um have other organizations that come in
and look at this maybe we don't agree
with them. Maybe they make
recommendations and we don't adopt all
of them, but to me it adds a lot of
credibility to what we're doing. And so
I really appreciate that piece of the
program. And I I hope that never
changes.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> Thanks.
» Thanks.
>> We're committed to hearing all
» We're committed to hearing all
perspectives and and doing our best to
to find that balance like I know you're
all seeking as well.
>> Thank you, Chief. Thank you, staff, for
» Thank you, Chief. Thank you, staff, for
working on this. This is to me an
ordinance that u [clears throat] says uh
as a city where our values are and how
we want to use the tools correctly and
how we don't want them to be used. Um so
I think to me is is uh is a powerful uh
tool uh to put in an ordinance. We could
have [clears throat] left it as a policy
for the department uh to to come up uh
but uh knowing the value of these tools
but at the same time knowing the risks
of these tools uh we feel very strongly
about putting this on the code um and I
uh I know that many of us have expressed
at some point or another uh that we
don't want to see misuse of these tools.
We don't want that to be our tools, what
our taxpayers are uh paying to be used
in the wrong uh by the wrong um
purposes. So I am uh I'm excited that
this ordinance is in front of us finally
and looking forward to u other data
privacy issues within uh the city. So
thank you for the presentation. Thank
you for the time. I appreciate your
time, Chief.
>> Thank you. Appreciate it.
Thank you, Hannah, too, since I
mentioned everybody as well. Um,
moving on to uh item number four, an
ordinance for the Northwest Community
Plan. We're going to keep Michael
Sanders, council policy analyst, the
table. Uh, we're going to welcome um I
only have Kelsey Linquist, planning
manager, on my uh on my uh on my list,
but yes, welcome all of you.
>> Okay. Thank you, chair. So, the purpose
» Okay. Thank you, chair. So, the purpose
of this briefing is to go over a
proposal to update a community plan for
the Northwest community area, which
includes Rose Park, Fair Park, Jordan
Meadows, Poplar Grove, and West Point.
The plan also includes the North the
North Temple Station area plans for the
four track stations in the plan area.
This plan will replace the Northwest
master plan, the North Temple Boulevard
plan, and the Rose Park small area plan.
During the February 25th, [music] 2026
planning commission meeting, the
commission forwarded a positive
recommendation to the council. And with
that, I'll pass it to the planning
department.
>> Thank you, Michael.
» Thank you, Michael.
Good afternoon and thank you for the
opportunity to present the draft
northwest community plan. My name is
Kelsey. I have two members of my team
with me today, Olivia Specco and Alicia
Cely. Cassie Younger, one of the project
managers, is out of town. All three
members of the team were critical in the
update process.
Um, we do have a lengthy presentation,
but we will make it in time and all
three of us will be presenting today.
So, I will now turn the time over to
Olivia to get us started.
Thank you. If I could get the next slide
here. Um, okay. So, first to give a
quick overview, the Northwest community
plan builds on the city's overall vision
established in Plan Salt Lake while
recognizing that the Northwest has its
own unique opportunities and challenges.
The purpose of this plan is to establish
a clear vision for the community,
identify values and concerned uh
concerns expressed by the public during
engagement, um create a framework for
implementation, and define measurable
targets that allow us to track our
progress through 2040.
All right, next slide.
Throughout the community engagement and
planning commission process, comments
were provided concerning the
relationship between the North Point
small area plan adopted in 2023 and the
Northwest community plan. Yes, on
record, North Point is part of or within
the boundaries of the Northwest plan.
Nevertheless, the small area plans,
policies, development standards, and the
future land use map will take precedence
for development in [clears throat] that
community.
There are however targets, policies and
initiatives in the Northwest plan that
address riparian areas, air quality,
natural environment, public lands,
trails, and water conservation that are
applicable to all of the Northwest
community and that includes North Point.
Next slide.
Okay, so this process began with an
existing conditions analysis so we could
get a better understanding of today's
Northwest community. Uh some of the
highlights um we found in ways that
Northwest differs from the rest of the
city include that the area has a larger
share of families with children and
larger households. The area also has a
slightly lower medium median income
household compared to citywide and
approximately 63% of residents identify
as part of a racial or ethnic minority
group in this area compared with about
35% citywide. Next slide.
Thank you. Um, public engagement was a
huge part of developing this plan.
During the initial phase in spring of
last year, staff attended nine community
events, conducted six stakeholder
interviews, and received more than 140
survey responses.
Um, what we heard, some of the things we
heard over and over is that residents
expressed a desire for more family-sized
housing, safer parks and trails, better
transit options, protection against
displacement, and continued support for
the neighborhood's cultural diversity.
After preparing the draft plan, we
returned to the community um through
additional outreach at neighborhood
events, community organizations, and
public meetings to gather feedback on
our draft plan. Next slide.
Okay, so this plan is organized into 14
chapters which align with plan Salt
Lake. Each includes a guiding principle,
targets for the year 2040, and
initiatives to get us there. Um, in
addition to these chapters, the plan
contains a station area plan for our
fixed rail stations, a future land use
plan, and an implementation matrix. And
we will go over each of these today.
Next slide.
All right. The Northwest Community Plan
is shaped and structured to support the
overarching vision established by Plan
Salt Lake by utilizing the plan's 14
adopted guiding principles. This plan
applies to the same structure, including
measurable targets, achievable
initiatives, and identifies existing and
supported city policies.
The following slides will mostly cover
two targets and their associated
initiatives. Please note some guiding
principles have many more targets and
initiatives all of which are detailed in
the draft plan online. Next slide.
All right. We'll start with
neighborhoods. The guiding principle is
neighborhoods that provide a safe
environment opportunity for social
interaction and services needed for the
well-being of the community therein.
The identified targets and associated
initiatives include increased public
safety by supporting the city's public
safety plan conduct and conducting an
audit of lighting in parks, alleys, and
hightra corridors and prioritizing
improving lighting in areas with
greatest public safety concerns.
The second target is balance per capita
investment in public infrastructure and
services compared to citywide averages
through conducting a capital improvement
equity analysis that can help guide the
allocation of taxpayer dollars for
maximum community benefit. Next slide.
growth. Uh the guiding principle for
growth is growing responsibly while
providing people with choices about
where they live, how they live, and how
they get around. The identified targets
and associated initiatives include
increase the number of dwelling units
that provide three plus bedrooms by
modifying zoning regulations to increase
a broad mix of housing types,
specifically those larger units that are
available both for rent or purchase.
encourage infill sites that support
mixeduse development and support
mixeduse zoning along corridors. We'll
talk more about that with a future land
use map. The second target is to
increase the total land area that can be
used for mixeduse development outside
[clears throat] of the power district.
Um to ensure that the zoning near the
power district permits a diverse mix of
housing, retail and open space in antip
in anticipation of population growth and
a high volume of daily users. Next
slide.
for the housing chapter. Uh the guiding
principle for this chapter is access to
a wide variety of housing types for all
income levels throughout the city,
providing the basic human need for
safety and responding to changing
demographics. Uh the only target
identified in this chapter um is to
increase the diversity of housing types
for all income levels throughout the
city. Um and proposed initiatives um to
accomplish that target include
supporting policies that the city's
already adopted such as thriving in
place and housing SLC as well as
considering requiring um zoning
incentives for larger developers to
provide more family-friendly housing not
only in the number of bedrooms provided
but also in design elements and
amenities provided on site and then
removing zoning barriers um and
streamlining the permitting process for
infill housing development. Next slide.
For the transportation and mobility
chapter, the guiding principle is a
transportation and mobility network that
is safe, equitable, reliable,
affordable, and sustainable, providing
real choices and connecting people with
places. Um, the first target we want to
highlight here is to increase the
percentage of dwelling units within a
quarter mile of a bus, transit stop, or
high comfort bike facility. Um and the
initiatives here are primarily to
increase density along existing transit
routes and then once new routes or
transit amenities are added to
prioritize transit oriented development
um and also per performing analysis and
collaboration and community engagement
to manage parking needs uh which was
something that we heard a lot about um
in our outreach. The second target we
want to highlight uh for this chapter is
to increase the percentage of funding to
improve neighborhood connections and
general maintenance. Um the first
initiative to support this is to support
the implementation of recommendations
from the SLC West connection study uh
which is currently ongoing and also to
prioritize connecting the Jordan River
Parkway Trail to the Folsam Trail. Next
slide.
Air quality. Um the guiding principle
for this chapter is air that is healthy
and clean. Um the target that we want to
highlight here is to increase the number
of actions to address the harmful impact
of existing polluters. We know this is a
particular concern in on the west side
and in this community and something we
had a lot of conversations about. Um so
the initiatives
um in this regard are to increase the
tree canopy to help filter out
pollutants, reduce the industrial and
manufacturing uses in the area to
mitigate those impacts and then
implement increased land use buffers
along um highways, major roadways and
other um heavy polluters and sensitive
land uses. Um sensitive land uses really
being anywhere where people are
breathing. Uh next slide.
Okay, thank you. Um, our guiding
principle for the natural environment is
to minimize our impact on the natural
environment. Uh, one of our targets is
to increase the urban tree canopy.
Initiatives for this include identifying
streets that could support
rellandscaping of medians to increase
tree canopy and educate residents on the
costs of tree irrigation and offer
information on species that are low
water use. Another target for this um
for this chapter is to promote community
investment in the Jordan River Parkway
Trail and the Folsam Trail. Um,
initiatives include connect the Jordan
River Parkway Trail to the Folsam Trail
and downtown beautifification and
connectivity efforts, formerly known as
the Green Loop, um, and support the
initiative to daylight a portion of City
Creek along Folsam Trail. Next slide.
Okay. [snorts] For parks and recreation,
our guiding principle is to protect the
natural environment while providing
access and opportunities to recreate and
enjoy nature. One of our targets is
increase public safety and comfort for
all users within park spaces so that all
visitors feel safe and comfortable
regardless of age, gender, um or
ability. This is something we heard over
and over again in public outreach. Um
our um implementation for this is to
implement bilingual and universal
wayfinding signage along and towards the
Jordan River Trail, Fulsome Trail, and
nearby parks and add types of uses and
activities to our parks that can
encourage year-round activity. Um and I
know Kelsey mentioned this before, but
uh we these are only some of the
initiatives associated with these
targets. There are quite a few in the
plan. Um, another target is to expand
the Jordan River Trail to the North
Point area, specifically north of Center
Street. Um, initiatives include
encouraging active uses for development
along trails and coordinating with
private property owners abuing the
Jordan River and other sensitive
riparian areas to extend the Jordan
River Parkway and preserve the land.
Next slide.
beautiful city. Our guiding principle
for this chapter is a beautiful city
that is people focused. Um, one of our
targets is to increase efforts to
activate the Jordan River and Folsam
Trail. initiatives include include
activation requirements for development
near the Jordan River and along Fulsome
Trail requiring elements such as
riverfacing windows and doors, riparian
corridor friendly landscaping and
outdoor amenities. Another initiative is
identify key locations along the Jordan
River and Folsam Trail where small-cale
mixeduse zoning could help promote
placemaking.
Um, another target in this chapter is to
establish visually attractive and
distinct gateways into the Northwest
community. This can be done by
identifying streets that can be
designated as gateways and cultural
corridors uh where art and culture
efforts are focused. Work with city
departments to apply rights of way
standards that would support the
creation of city gateways and explore
incorporating art features into city
funded projects. Next slide.
For preservation, the guiding principle
is maintaining places that provide a
foundation for the Northwest
neighborhood to affirm our past. Um, as
far as the 2040 targets, first is to
increase the number of properties listed
on the National Register of Historic
Places through identifying priority
areas for uh surveys and also supporting
neighborhood initiatives to create new
local historic districts or um add
places to the National Register of
Historic Places. And then the second
target uh for preservation is to ensure
city-owned historic resources are
actively maintained and preserved uh
through providing access to city- funded
workshops and education regarding um the
city's building preservation incentives
to make sure that people are aware of
these uh programs and understand how to
take advantage of them for eligible
properties. um and also supporting
partnerships for the successful adaptive
reuse of the Fisher Fiser mansion which
was identified by the community as an
important cultural asset. Next slide.
For arts and culture, the guiding
principle is vibrant, diverse, and
accessible artistic and cultural
resources that showcase the community's
long-standing commitment to a strong
creative culture. The first target is to
increase the total number of cultural
community events celebrating the
diversity in the Northwest neighborhood.
Um, this is something that Northwest
residents are really proud of. Um, and
so initiatives that go along with this
are to collaborate with neighborhood
stakeholders to bring more cultural
events to the neighborhood. Um, for
example, exploring bringing a farmers
market to the neighborhood and then
continuing to support the fairgrounds as
a year-round entertainment destination.
Um, and the second target for arts and
culture is to increase public art in the
Northwest community. Um, which can be
supported by identifying a pathway to
revive a youth arts program, working
with the arts council to um to support
the project support grants and then
increasing opportunities to access arts
and culture by um easing land use
regulation and where those are allowed.
Next slide.
Okay. The guiding principle for the
equity chapter is a welcoming community
that celebrates the diversity of the
Northwest and ensures access to
amenities for all residents. Um, and two
really important themes that stood out
here that aren't talked about in other
chapters um are access to food and
access to medical care. So, the first
target in this chapter is to improve
access to healthy, fresh, and affordable
food within the community. Um the
initiatives include partnering with
nonprofit organizations that are already
working in the area. Wasach community
gardens is one um to improve fresh fresh
food access. Support um improving the
existing grocery stores available in the
area. And then again um exploring
bringing a local farmers market to the
Northwest, especially prioritizing one
that accepts SNAP and other subsidies
that benefit low-income families. Um and
second, ensuring that zoning supports
new medical facilities. um by supporting
programs to improve access to health
care for uninsured individuals um which
is a high proportion of residents in the
Northwest compared to other Salt Lake
City communities and also include
consider including u medical care
facilities in city funded projects and
supporting models for popup or mobile um
medical clinics and care that can bring
care directly to Northwest residents.
Next slide.
All right. Economy. Um, our guiding
principle for the economy is a local
economy that fosters entrepreneurship,
supports small businesses, and promotes
lively neighborhood commercial
corridors. Um, our first target is adopt
zoning policies that promote the growth
of small-scale neighborhood retail. Our
initiatives here are allow previous
commercial buildings in residential zone
neighborhoods to reestablish commercial
and retail use, ensure zoning
regulations result in pedestrian
friendly spaces and amenities, and
explore opportunities for accessory
commercial units. Um, our second target
is provide financial subsidies for
businesses that can fill gaps in
existing retail offerings
uh with initiatives that include
consider the creation of a special
assessment area in the North Temple
district to finance infrastructure
improvements and provide ongoing
services and support the community
reinvestment agency in operating a a
retail subleasasing program.
Next slide.
government. Our guiding principle here
is a local government that is
collaborative, responsive, and
equitable. Um, our first target is
increase the number of residents
participating in the government process.
Um, our initiatives are utilize online
engagement tools, translate public
facing materials, consider modifying the
timing, location, and types of public
meetings that seek public input, and
increase access to public employees and
elected officials by more participation
in local events.
And our second target is ensure more
equitable responses to zoning
enforcement and city maintenance. Um,
our initiatives are support an equitable
percentage of capital fund spending in
underserved or historically excluded
areas and track zoning enforcement to
ensure it is equitable across the city.
Next slide.
Okay. Um, this is water smart Utah. Our
guiding principle is reduce water use in
order to ensure sustainable water levels
for future generations.
Our target here is update zoning
regulations to reduce the amount of
water demand and per capita water use
for future development.
Initiatives include support decreased
lot size and configuration standards.
allow increased density where
appropriate to maximize water efficiency
and to consider prohibiting land uses
that consume large amounts of water.
Next slide.
All right. [clears throat] In addition
to the 14 guiding principles um and the
associated chapters, the Northwest
Community Plan update also includes a
new future land use map and the state
required station area plan for the four
track stations within the community.
Let's start by discussing the future
land use map. Please note I'll be using
a friendly acronym known as flum for the
rest of the presentation.
So what is a flum?
I know [laughter]
it's a it's a mouthful if I don't. The
flum guides future development within
the community by establishing a flexible
framework that offers adaptability
enabling the community to evolve over
time. It is a tool used to evaluate
requests to amend the zoning map to
ensure that they are consistent with the
vision of the community, align with the
policies and support the specific
initiatives while also supporting
citywide needs and goals. What doesn't a
flum do? It does not alter existing
zoning. Any requests would go through
the standard review process for a map
amendment and would require approval by
the city council. Next slide.
To guide the creation of the flum, the
team developed six principles based on
city policy, the targets established in
the plan, and community feedback. The
principles include the following.
[snorts] Enhance and activate identified
corridors as vibrant areas. I'll go more
into that um in a following slide.
Protect the Jordan River's riparian
corridor. Encourage new infill housing
development. Utilize utilize moderate
density to buffer regional mixed use.
Activate Jordan River Parkway and Fulsum
Trail and encourage appropriately scaled
commercial development throughout the
community. Next slide.
All right. This is a Flum comparison
map. The exa existing map on the left
illustrates the future land use
designations in existing zoning. The
future land use map on the right is what
the draft plan includes. As you can see,
there are changes that reflect the six
principles. Additionally, it's important
to note that these new designations were
developed for community plan updates
going forward. This ensures consistency
with all future land use maps within
community plan updates. Next slide.
All right, the corridors. I want to
highlight one of the more significant
changes in the Flem. The team identified
the corridors listed on the screen using
the following factors.
Complete streets, planned rightway
improvements, hightraic areas, that's
pedestrian, bike, and vehicle as yeah,
pedestrian, bike, vehicle, and bus
lines. New development that can be
supported by established community.
opportunities for properties to
transition from residential to mixed
use.
And you'll see in these corridors that
are identified on the screen, they are
primarily um [clears throat] low scale
mixed use. Uh the lightest purple is one
to two stories and then the medium
purple is two to three stories. So a
small transition to the residential
neighborhoods. Next slide, please.
A station area plan is required by state
law for any fixed rail station. And this
community has the following four
stations. The Jackson Uklid, Fair Park
Station, Power Station, and the 1940
West Station. The North Temple Station
areas are the primary location of growth
within the community that will
accomplish the following. provide areas
for a mix of housing types with the
densest housing closer to the stations
and a mix of housing throughout the area
with a focus on ownership opportunities.
Improve sidewalks, trails, bike paths,
and streets so that people are safely
traveling and comfortable throughout the
station area and into the surrounding
neighborhoods. connected public spaces
that give a people to uh give people a
reason to visit the parks, use the
trails, and support the local
businesses.
Improve the Jordan River by activating
key stretches while providing
appropriate wildlife habitat and
encouraging the use of the river as a
recreational asset.
support existing local businesses and
promote more entrepreneurship
and balance the needs of regional
attractions within the community and the
current and future residences as well as
business owners.
Next slide please.
So there there's a lot of acronyms but
now yeah station area plan is SAP um and
flum. the the sapflum is on the screen.
Um it is um highlighting within the the
radius around those station areas.
You'll see that there are primarily
um four colors of purple. The darkest
purple is the JRF that re that reflects
the power district that has the highest
intensity uses along this corridor. the
um the kind of moderate purple which is
surrounding the power district is a step
down from the JR district and then that
purple kind of dilutes as you further
get out from those stations.
Um, a couple a few objectives of this
flum are to again create opportunities
for mixeduse development within the
station areas and allow for higher
densities on land closest to the
stations and then decreasing densities
further away from the station. Um, to
support the development of the power
site as indicated in the DA between the
city and the property owner. analyze
zoning to identify and remove outdated
and ineffective regulations and then to
promote that home ownership that we
mentioned before. Next slide.
We're almost done.
Okay. So, planning commission boarded a
unanimous recommendation for adoption to
um the city council on the 25th of
February. Next slide.
This is a QR code. The draft plan is
still live on shape SLC.
Next slide
and then the three of us are here to
answer any questions.
>> Council member,
» Council member,
>> thank you.
» thank you.
>> Uh always lovely to have you all using
» Uh always lovely to have you all using
your expertise to focus on my home. I
appreciate everything you've done. Um
going to ask a million questions now in
no specific order.
>> Okay. We talk about things like per
» Okay. We talk about things like per
capita investment. I don't need an in
response right now, but I'd like to go
deeper on that. I'm particularly worried
about this because at the next
redistricting, my district will inherit
about 6500
to 9,000 people who are incarcerated,
who will never show up, who will never
be able to participate in a beautiful
city in a meaningful way. What does that
do to per capita investment? What does
that do to my district? I want to just
talk about that. That's a longer term
conversation I want to have. Um, we have
four years before the census will tell
us, then redistricting will follow that.
So, um,
can you clarify? You said the JR the
Jordan River Trail should go north. It
does.
>> I I saw you write down that question, so
» I I saw you write down that question, so
I pulled up my map.
>> I've written my bike. I was like, am I
» I've written my bike. I was like, am I
riding my bike on something not the
Jordan River Trail?
>> It's confusing. Um, we have received
» It's confusing. Um, we have received
quite a bit of public input from the
Jordan River Commission that the Jordan
River Trail should extend north um into
the new newly annexed area of the city.
So, essentially, I just pulled up my map
3500 north. It it doesn't extend that
far north and it is a challenge.
>> It goes all the way up to like Leighton,
» It goes all the way up to like Leighton,
doesn't it? There's a section that
doesn't connect that maybe we just maybe
we're just like illegally riding on some
sidewalks and stuff [laughter] there.
>> Okay. I've not experienced a disruption.
» Okay. I've not experienced a disruption.
I I'm open to it. I just was like I
didn't
>> It's a challenging section of of the
» It's a challenging section of of the
river because we we don't we would
on the east side. It would have to
switch to the west side of the river and
then back to the east.
>> Okay. Okay. Thank you. Um, so I noticed
» Okay. Okay. Thank you. Um, so I noticed
that there's a ton of focus on the TSA
area, you know, around those station
area plans, which makes sense since
that's that's where we'll densify. What
I worry about is if we don't call out
supporting the growth around that. So,
my neighbors are getting stressed out
when it feels like we are supporting all
of the um apartments and things being
put in, but no one ever comes and puts
traffic calming on the roads where we
are. Even though the number of roads
going in is increasing or the the the
usage on like Redwood is a mess, you
know, no matter what time of day. And
that's a state road. So, I'm not calling
out our transportation department. I'm
calling out state investment there. Um,
so you know, like yes, the TSA, but as
we're doing that, I' I'd like some
specific call outs to making sure that
the residential, you know, not just
infill development, but what it means
for any of it to be developed and for
that density to increase so that people
who stay even in things that might not
densify can still have a reasonable
expectation that their kids can ride
their bikes and not have to confront
Teslas going, you know, 70 m hour down,
1200 watt. test. Um,
we talked about housing and while I'm a
huge team player, we take more than one
for the team, we take about a dozen for
the team when it comes to not just
affordability, but rehabilitative
housing. So, I don't love that the only
thing that was called out there was that
we would comply with uh the house the
housing throughout the city. I really
want to talk about workforce housing.
Right now, we have housing that if you
can afford a half million dollar
mortgage um and have some economic
mobility, you can buy one of the one of
the homes that have historically been
there that have some land. We have a
space if you are coming out of jail and
like the other side village and those
sorts of models or need a place to
rehabilitate. We don't have housing for
teachers and firefighters and the union
workers who have historically called
that place home. We need workforce
housing. We need housing for the people
who have called the work the west side
home, who continue to call it home, who
have made it the coolest place to live
in all of Utah. So, I really would like
a specific call out for workforce
housing and the particular demographic
we're incentivizing there. We always
feel the economics and we'll always end
up with the deeply affordable and
rehabilitative housing if we don't. Um,
in the staff report there was a call out
to ebike vouchers and other things to
help with air quality. If we don't
include something about infrastructure
around initiatives like that, we will
never have success. So if we have micro
units over there,
where are people supposed to keep their
ebikes?
We are living multi-generationally.
People are asking for more than three
bedrooms. My neighbors were refugees
from Somalia who had grandparents,
parents, and children all in the same
house. They do not have the extra space
for bikes. If we really really really
want to contribute to not just
possessing an ebike but to using it, we
need to look at the infrastructure
around that biking. We need storage. We
need winterized storage. And we need
security. I don't ride my bike to
Smiths. Well, because it's easy enough
for me to walk there from my house, but
I don't ride my bike to Smiths because I
can't be guaranteed that when I get out,
it will be there. There is not a bike
lock that the people who are intent on
taking it have not figured out how to
cut through. We need an infrastructure
so that people can be sure that when
they come out those bikes will be there.
There's no amount of hoping for an ebike
situation or even a biking culture that
we can promote without going deep on
building the infrastructure there. Also,
if this is the place in the city where
we're inviting in people who are
refugees and new Americans, as we very
proudly are, biking culture might not
exist if your family was figuring out
just how to get to a safe place. You
didn't grow up riding a bike. So, the
initiatives over there and the
infrastructure over there is going to
look different. And it shouldn't be
condescending, but we should be open to
the idea that that's an assumption we've
started with that's already a couple
steps down from where people are in
their ability to adopt it. Um, I love
that we called out arts and my neighbors
are the most creative. We have a real
difficulty with finding any venues in
our area. Um, you know, even in other
places, uh, even Marmalade has a little
bit of a a a small, so maybe this is
something we want to talk to the library
about. Um, I know that Day Riverside is
on theirs, but we don't have a
winterproof way to gather. We do have a
fantastic river trail and we've been
hearing a lot about busker fest and and
ways to try to support those things, but
venues are huge on the arts. Um, on
preservation, we just don't have as many
landmarks. No one cares where the union
plumber rested his head. We only care
where the notable name who but what
makes our west side so special is that
the union plumber rested their head
there. So I'm I yes let's put things on
the national register but those tend to
commemorate moments or locations.
I would love to see a forward-looking
preservation that would commemorate
movements that would look at like the
rose is called Rose Park because if you
look at it from the air, it was in the
shape of a rose and if your house was on
a petal, it had a red roof and if it was
on the stem, it had a green roof. And
the names of the streets are types of
roses. And it happened all after World
War II. This is a really interesting
postwar movement and it was specifically
designed from people returning from war
to be able to have a house and it led to
post-war prosperity in a way we've never
seen. That's not one person's story. The
Westside is our collective story. So, as
we're looking at preservation, yes, that
National Historic Register, but if we
could figure out ways to commemorate the
movement, the thing that happened there,
the story of the people, not the person,
I think we're going to get more bang for
our buck on the history that we're
trying to preserve over in that area.
Um, under the economic development, I
think we need to go beyond just
subsidies. I love I'm thankful anytime
someone wants to help, but we actually
need an active destigmatization. I go to
other districts to eat dinner. I don't
know that other people come to my
district to eat dinner except for Red
Iguana and then everyone who passes
through thanks to reality TV stops there
and technically that's Alejandra's even
though I'm a share that we we share in
this plan. Um so we need an an active
destigmatization.
We need a strategy to signal to everyone
that not only is it safe but this is
actually really viby. Lena has put this
already in the um economic plan, but if
we can call out, it's it's it needs to
go beyond just giving money to an issue
and it needs to go to storytelling,
narrative building, marketing, and
really emphasizing economic possibility
beyond just that. And then finally, um
when we talk about the water smart, we
have to call out what our water prices
are doing. My neighbors could not be
more frustrated that they are using less
water, doing their job, sacrificing
yards that they may have historically
had and paying more than they ever have
and then watching institutional
neighbors have never have all their
sprinkler heads working, you know,
watering the the sidewalks and, you
know, like never feeling. So, as we're
doing that, we have to call out what our
water rates and what our water
strategies are doing. And we need to
figure out how to promote water smart in
a way that is responsive to those
frustrations. Maybe even policy that can
be responsive to it without making
people feel like charity cases and while
promoting
people want to conserve over there. But
we just have to we have to know that
these frustrations are there. If you ask
my neighbors to conserve one more time
and raise their rates at the same time,
I guarantee you they're going to mutiny
and they're just going to like, you
know, start watering for the fun of it.
So, um, yeah, but thank you. I think
everything is it's amazingly
comprehensive the way you've looked at
the community. Thank you for
capitalizing on our strengths. Um, some
guidance for how to engage with partners
who could preempt us, I think, might be
helpful. you know, some priorities in
negotiation things, those sorts of
things might be helpful since we know
that we are increasingly losing um
traction both on the industrial front
with the port and with the power
district. Um but thank you. I appreciate
everything you've done.
>> Any other thoughts?
» Any other thoughts?
>> Thank you very much. Just from this the
» Thank you very much. Just from this the
uh staff report just talks about some um
does the administration have any
specific projects with cost estimates
associated with it? I mean, council
member Petro listed out a bunch of uh
concerns, but also, you know, um
you know, beauty the beauty of this
program, this plan, but any cost on some
of the stuff because it's a great plan,
but is there
thoughts on the dollar on to to
implement some of those things, get
things moving? Yeah, in the
implementation matrix there are if you
want to pull that up
>> and that's at the very end of the plan.
» and that's at the very end of the plan.
It
>> is at the very end. Um it yeah it
» is at the very end. Um it yeah it
provides four resources. So staff,
finances, time and community like how
involved will the community be and is it
primarily on the city? Right. And we
evaluate each of these initiatives
associated with the identified targets
as far as um what type of investment
from each of these resources that will
be. Uh there are quite a few that the
finances are high and quite a few that
it's low. Right. We can do these things
in house and start to knock out some of
these zoning changes. Um work with
transportation on some of the identified
issues you just mentioned um etc. some
of the other items that we've identified
might be more costly and knowing our
budget concerns, they might not happen
in the next five years. We know that.
But as far as going out for bid, we have
not done that.
>> Okay. I I there was a few things that
» Okay. I I there was a few things that
call my attention. Um I sincerely I
appreciate the the work put into this
and I think I um I love measures of
success and this is what that this is
right is understanding how we are going
to um measure or or uh know if we're
doing good or not uh and setting that uh
standard for ourselves. Um and I think
uh in the section of government uh it
says you know increase the number of
residents participation. I I want us to
think big and strong about that. Um I
want us to get the west side or or at
least this area of the west side which
is you know the majority of your your
portion in district one but there is
several slivers of of my district in in
it. Um but I want us to match uh other
portions of the city. I know that's hard
to do um for for multiple reasons. Um
but that will require a lot of money and
a lot of time from our city and you know
a thoughtful plan on how to do that.
It's just not just increase it but match
it. Um, and to me that's that would be
the real measure of success uh when
we're talking about government and uh it
equity costs more and it's harder to to
get uh too. So I uh and I think that to
me is the key to the success of this
project if if we have more of a westside
voices participating in all levels of
the city. Um
and um
that to me is the the the key piece uh
that I want to see from from this this
part of the city. I I I can tell you
about a million other pieces that I have
thoughts, but sincerely if we have more
Westside voices at the table,
participating with the city, knowing how
to tell us when something is wrong,
advocating much like all the
neighborhoods are advocating for, you
know, signs or, you know, potholes or
whatever it is, um we will have a more
equitable city by itself. It will just
happen. Um so I I think that to me is
the key to this plan. um and beefing up
that government portion of of that. I
think it is on us uh to get more
neighbors participating. Um I really
appreciate the work. I appreciate the
amount of engagement that uh that you
are uh that they you put together to get
feedback from the community. Um I to me
uh when we're talking about government I
also want us to ensure that we respond
and and you mentioned this in in in the
plan but in the equitable manner uh when
issues uh raise and I
I
know that my neighbors our neighbors are
saying many times if this would have
happened in X neighborhood east side it
would have been different. Um, I tend to
disagree most of the time with that
argument, but I also have found our city
mistakenly uh not purposely doing
something different sometimes much like
when we uh the unfortunate accident with
killing of those you know 100 plus
trees. It took us a while to get an
actual response from our city really to
to come up with a plan on how to
mitigate that that mistake. It was a
sincere mistake. It was a terrible
mistake, but it was a sincere it wasn't
purpose. But the city took a while to
respond and it it really took, you know,
really the press the community to just
be upset about it. But this one example,
if would have happened in a different
neighborhood, it it would have been uh
catastrophic for for many of us
politicians. Um and I wish sometimes we
responded the same way. Um and I know
that we try very hard. Uh and I know
that it's not, you know, this
administration and this city has done an
incredible work in and in and bridging
this gap. I want us to not just bridge
over the gap, but reduce, you know,
eliminate the gap, fill it up. Um, and
it's not going to be easily solved. It's
going to take a while, and it's going to
take a lot of money and time. So, I
appreciate the work. I appreciate the
administration and the work that you
guys are doing to to solve this and the
plan and envisioning this. So, thank
you.
Can I you you you jog my memory because
it's not just um investing. It's
investing in ways that make sense to our
neighbors that are responsive. And
especially as we gentrify, the people
who are likely to respond are people who
have had the experience with government
where their voice has been heard and
responded to. That is not my historic
That is not our historic neighbor. That
is not a refugee population. that is not
a blueco collar worker who is retiring
here who is used to being overlooked.
And so if we're serious about equity, if
we're serious about not gentrifying,
about creating a mixed income community
where the new people who can't afford
the half million dollar mortgages are
welcome alongside the teachers,
alongside the person in rehab, alongside
the historic, then our outreach and our
responsiveness has to be consistent with
things that are meaningful and it has to
go look for the people who won't be the
lowest hanging fruit on response. We can
very easily on the west side, especially
once the power district gets up and
going, create a falsified data set that
will become the agent of gentrification
and will be responding to the community.
But I think um it's I don't I I think
it's it's really almost a cruel thing
for me to say on the record because it's
not not only is it not easy, there is
probably no clear-cut way to do this.
This is a very customized we have to go
and understand our neighbors and
neighborhood in a way that city
government hasn't historically. It's the
paradigm shift. But I think if that's
what we're really intending, and I think
all of us in this room are, um, there's
a level of responsiveness that isn't
just showing up when 911 is dialed, not
just, uh, making sure that we don't
inadvertently block access to Cottonwood
Dog Park by not having a bridge there
for a year and a half. It's it's going
and asking questions
in ways that they can be heard and then
responding in ways that are meaningful.
So, thank you for bringing that up
because I think you're right. We we
could inadvertently decrease
responsiveness from the people who were
actively trying to protect with this
plan as the changes come if we're not
really strategic with that.
>> Thank you. I appreciate the work that
» Thank you. I appreciate the work that
you've done. Uh thank you for the time,
the presentation. Thank you for making
it clear. Um, I love this presentation
also because it's uh user friendly. I
sometimes plans get overwhelming. So, I
appreciate how you done it. So, thank
you so much for your time.
>> Thank you. And we will follow up with
» Thank you. And we will follow up with
those changes.
>> Thank you. Um, council members, we're a
» Thank you. Um, council members, we're a
little behind. We're going to uh move on
to um item number five is another
informationational is anformational
item, central community plan update.
We're gonna um welcome at the table Kate
Witt council policy analyst. Megan
Booth, principal planner. Chrissy
Gilmore, planning manager and longtime
friend. By the way, we know each other
for 15 years. I don't know which doesn't
happen.
Great. Thank you. The planning division
is in the early stages of the central
community plan update and the existing
conditions report was re provided to you
for your review. This is proposed to
replace the 2005 plan. At this time, the
existing conditions report is drafted
and community engagement has begun.
Planning is seeking council policy input
on the plan update. This plan will
eventually go to the planning
commission, then come back to council
for a public hearing and adoption. No
action is required at this time. A few
potential policy discussion items
include um park space access within the
the plan area. The council may also wish
to ask planning staff what significant
changes may arise in the upcoming plan,
including any public space improvements,
street changes, zoning modifications,
um new multimodal options, or anything
similar to that. With that, I'll turn it
to planning staff. Thanks.
» Thank you, council members. It's so nice
to be here this afternoon. Um my name is
Megan Booth. I'm a principal planner in
the planning division and today we're
here to talk about the central community
plan update. Um as explained this is
just introductory and so we'll give a
quick overview um of where we're at.
Next slide.
Um so this is really a briefing on the
scope of the project, the existing
conditions report that was published in
May, the engagement plan or plan for
that and overall ideas for the central
committee plan update. Our hope is
really to gather your input, identify
key issues and opportunities um as it's
plain formal council action will come at
a later time. Next slide.
So the purpose and need um this current
plan is 20 years old. It was adopted in
2005. Um, we want to create a shared
vision for the next 15 years that
reflects today's community and align
with recently adopted citywide plans
such as Plan Salt Lake and Housing Salt
Lake City. Um, as you saw with the
Northwest plan, um, these plan updates
are built to be measurable and updated
more often. So that's our hope with this
update as well. Next slide.
Um so this is slightly off work but kind
of true. Um we're right before big
ideas. So right now we're looking at all
the opportunities and issues. We're
doing public engagement and formulating
um some big ideas by working with the
community. The draft plan will come next
and the final vision. So this is just
kind of a timeline for that. Next slide.
Um so um right now we also want to
highlight the existing conditions report
um that's been published and I'll turn
that over to Chrissy to go over some of
our findings.
>> Okay, thank you. Hi, thanks for having
» Okay, thank you. Hi, thanks for having
us. I just want to say that this is the
exciting part of our job. We really love
doing these. So I'm going to apologize
now that I kind of nerded out and we
have a lot of existing condition slides,
but in the interest of time, I'm going
to be very brief so I won't be as
eloquent as my fancy notes were
originally. Um so next slide please.
So what does the existing conditions
report include? Um it includes a wide
variety of topics. It's over 130 pages.
It's very very detailed. We have um we
use a variety of reliable sources. Um
the US census, the ChemC Gardener
Institute, uh their data book, city
data, um state data. So it's a very
comprehensive document that goes over
the development history of the area,
demographics, land use, zoning, housing,
parks and wreck. really anything that
has to do with the city's function, it
it goes over. Um, so this this
presentation will just hit very quickly
on some of these topics, but if you're
curious, you can get into the details in
the actual document. Uh, next slide,
please.
So, as far as the plan area, um, this is
located in the central area of Salt Lake
City. It's approximately six square
miles and it's home to 51,000 about
51,000 residents or 25% of the city's
population. Um, you can see that
downtown in the original 2005 plan,
downtown was included in the plan area,
but it's now been taken out because of
there is a downtown plan now. So, we
don't have that included. Um, next
slide.
As far as the boundaries, the plan
boundaries go from approximately South
Temple all the way down to 17th South on
the north and then it goes kind of juts
down to 2100 South and then from east to
west it goes from approximately 1300
east down to 200 east and then it juts
down to the freeway. And there are five
neighborhoods. These were identified in
the 2005 plan. We've carried those over.
Um we are talking to the community about
renaming them if these names are
appropriate. And we we have some
received some feedback that we need to
make some changes. Uh next slide please.
Development periods. So this slide
illustrates how central community has
grown throughout time. It shows that the
earliest development was a sharp
residential development. Um most of the
neighborhoods in this area were built
between 1880 and 1930. And then and
those are in the green and blue. And
then as time went on um you saw
commercial development and multif family
along our key corridors. So that's in
the orange and red and you can see along
400 south with tracks coming in that
encouraged new development in the late
um or early 21st century I mean and then
again along 300 west you can see that
new red and um orange development. Next
slide please.
Um I can't talk about development
without addressing redlinining and
equity. Um so in the mid- 20th century
I'm you guys are allware well aware but
the federal government and private
lenders used a practice called
redlinining to designate which
neighborhoods were considered um safe
investments for mortgages and um what
neighborhoods were considered hazardous.
And this practice assigned higher risk
to minority neighborhoods. they were
labeled in D which is hazardous where
they were denied housing loans or C
which is definitely declining in yellow
um where they weren't fully denied loans
but they did receive less investment. Um
this is important to highlight because
of these patterns continue today. While
the practice was from the 1930s and 40s
approximately we still see these when we
look at demographic numbers like where
you see the red is where we see higher
poverty rates currently. So, it's just
something we want to acknowledge and um
make sure we're aware of moving forward.
Next slide, please.
And then the same goes for how the
community was shaped. We can't talk
about development without acknowledging
um how the construction of I-15 impacted
the neighborhood. Um this map is
interesting. If you look to the very
left of the map, there's some yellow
boxes. Um those might not that's not
where the freeway went through exactly.
that's along 300 West. But those homes
were subsequently demolished as an
impact of the freeway coming in and
changing the development pattern,
changing where investment went and um
contributing to that disinvestment there
while um investment went other places.
So next slide, please.
Urban form. This is just a quick one. It
just shows how as we had development
later like the earlier development was
smaller buildings and then as it come
later you have bigger building
footprints with larger open spaces and
parking lots around them. This just
highlights opportunities for um new
development where redevelopment could
possibly take place. Next slide.
Um population and growth. So as I
mentioned, Central Community is home to
25% of the city's total population.
Since 2010, the population has grown by
10%, but that growth hasn't been even.
Um you can see in the blue we've had an
increase in growth in the ballpark
neighborhood and central city but then
towards the souththeast plan boundary
we've had a decrease in growth. Um and I
actually think this is interesting
because of this those two red boxes on
the southeast corner are also where we
have the highest concentration of
children in the plan area. Um I don't
I'm still trying to figure out the tie
to that but where we've had the most um
population decrease is where we also
have the most children. So, it's kind of
interesting when you look at
demographics. The northern portion of
the plan area is where we see the most
college-aged children, college age,
they're no children, uh, residents. And
then, like I mentioned, the south part
is where we see the more families and,
uh, children. Next slide, please. Uh,
race and ethnicity. So, overall, the
centric community is less diverse in
Salt Lake City as a whole.
um both minorities comprising 25 27% of
the local population compared to 35%
citywide but this does vary between each
neighborhood with ballpark and um
central city have higher minority
population than the other neighborhoods.
Uh next slide please.
I won't explain zoning to you. You know
about that. But this just shows that
there is a wide variety of zoning um
designations in this plan area with the
purple is mixed use. We have the light
yellow is uh single family residential
and the oranges are our uh multif family
residential. Next slide.
Um as far as housing density, the
average density in the plan area is 12.7
units per acre. And this is higher than
the citywide average, which is 8.9 units
per acre when you take out central
community. And central city and east
central north have the highest density
in the plant area.
Next slide.
um housing types. So the majority of
housing types are multif family units um
which you can see in the dark blue. We
call them apartments on the slide and
then single family housing accounts for
a larger percentage of land area but a
large a smaller percentage of units
which probably isn't surprising. Um, I
think this map is really interesting
though because when you compare it to
the zoning on the previous slide,
especially that southeast portion, you
see swasts of yellow, which is single
family zoning, but in reality, you can
just see that it's a smattering or a
variety of duplexes, multif family
building, single family, and so the
zoning map doesn't really align with
what's on the ground. Next slide,
please.
So, income. So, this is where we start
to see a bigger difference between each
of those five neighborhoods. Um the
median household income in central
community is 63,000 almost almost 64,000
compared to the citywide average of
75,000.
Um but this varies widely across each
neighborhood. So, Central City, East
Central, and Ballpark all have an
average um income lower than 55,000 a
year, while East East Central South and
Liberty have higher incomes at $85,092,
which is almost 35 30,000 30 thou 30,000
more than the other neighborhoods. Um,
and then on top of that, the lower
median income, about 41% of households
earn less than $50,000 a year in the
central community. And so all of that
just leads to this chart which shows
that compared to the rest of Salt Lake,
a higher percentage of central community
residents live in poverty. And this
varies fairly significantly between each
of these communities where you can see
Central City and Ballpark have higher
percentages of youth poverty, senior
poverty, um and then uninsured.
Next slide, please.
Housing affordability. So that leads us
to the housing affordability session
where you know that if someone spends
more than 30% of their income, it means
they're cost burdened. Income on
housing, it means they're cost burdened.
Um the central community has about I
think it's 40 Yeah, 48% of renters are
considered cost burden. That's slightly
higher than um home owners. And you
probably can't see it very well, but I
just wanted to quickly point out this
cost burden scenario that shows that the
average price of a home in central
community, sorry, I have to look at it.
I was
470,000. Um, if someone was to put down
a down payment on that, we show two
different scenarios, they would need to
make at least 106,000 to afford that
home. And when you think that the
average income is 60, almost 64,000 and
in ballpark it's only 55,000. That just
shows how unattainable it is to buy a
home in the central community area. Next
slide, please.
Um transportation just um there's a wide
variety of artiller roads. Central
community has the most artiller roads of
any plan area. Um active transportation
also has a wide and robust active
transportation system. Um as far as bus
routes, goodness, I should get my eyes
checked. I cannot see. Sorry. [laughter]
[gasps] Um
I know. I'm like, whoa, this is getting
scary for me. But 93% of households are
within a fourth mile of a um bus stop.
And then 26% of households are within a
fourth mile of a transit stop. And you
can see those um from the transit stops,
those bubbles that surround them. All
right, next slide, please.
Um so, as far as parks and wreck, the
central community has the lowest park
access of any planning area in Salt Lake
City. And we looked at this not just um
number of acres per per person but also
as walkability and it's the lowest on
both of those. So there are major
barriers to transportation um to parks
because there's so many large corridors
like 700 East State Street, 400 South um
and then it while the map it might
appear that there are lots of parks as
far as the number goes, the acreage does
not um they're all pretty small besides
Liberty Park. So that acreage doesn't uh
or the number doesn't make up for the
small acreage. Um, so overall there's
just a gap in both park acorage and park
accessibility.
Next slide.
And then I wanted to end with public art
because this is a huge asset for the
central community. Um, I think of any
planet area they probably have the most
public art. It was brought up many times
in our um, outreach. People are very
proud of it and it's something that we
wanted to highlight that it's a big um,
contributing factor for why people
identify and love this area. All right,
next slide.
Thanks, Chrissy. So, now I'll just give
a quick overview of where we've been in
the process, what we're doing to engage
the community, and what we've been
hearing so far, and where we're heading
next. Um, engagement is still ongoing
throughout the process. So, these are
just early themes that we've heard. Um,
next slide.
So far, we've had 15 inerson engagement
events, 11 stakeholder interviews, two
commission briefings, two open houses,
six popups, and three community council
meetings. And we're hitting the two
other community council meetings next
month month. Um, we've had many visits
to the project website. Um, one thing
we've been trying to do is meet people
where they are at coffee shops,
neighborhood breakfast joints,
festivals, and community events instead
of expecting them to come to us. Um, as
I mentioned, engagement is still
ongoing. Um, the excuse me,
[clears throat] the survey will be
remain open throughout the fall and we
have additional events planned through
August and September. Um, next slide.
[cough]
So, um, where have we been? Um early
outreach started in February. We went to
Clayton Middle School's career day,
continuing through um Youth City Living
Tradition and Jefferson Jams. In June
and July, we held popups. Um as I
mentioned, we presented at the community
council meetings, had our open houses.
We also presented uh a similar briefing
to the planning commission and historic
landmark commission. Next slide.
So, what have we been hearing? Um, so
when residents were asked what they love
about Central Community, many mentioned
the strong sense of community,
walkability, and bikeability, residents
talked about the nine line, Liberty
Park, the neighborhood proximity to
downtown. Um, they also highlighted the
tree canopy, historic homes, and the
variety of the architecture. Um, many
appreciate the locally owned businesses
instead of chains and spoke about the
people, students, neighbors who look out
for one another and kids who can walk to
a friend's house. Um, more more than one
resident simply said it's just the best
place to live in the city. Next slide.
Um, so what we've heard about housing,
um, on housing, many participants
mentioned missing middle housing,
duplexes, triplexes, town homes, ADUs,
small apartment buildings, um, with
mixeduse shops nearby. Um, residents did
point to vacant sites and suggested
reusing older buildings rather than
demolishing them. Um, affordability, as
we mentioned, has been a recurring
theme. There's a want for familysiz
unit, more ownership on opportunities
like condos. Um at the same time, those
who supported more housing also raised
concerns about large apartment
buildings, traffic, design, quality. Um
these comments um as discussed are you
know what kind of what we expected. Um
next slide.
For transportation, residents describe
major roads as barriers between
neighborhoods and asked for traffic
calming and safer crossings at these
corridors, plus more direct north south
connections into downtown. Um transit
came up as um infrequent, sometimes slow
and expensive. Um for biking, um
residents were asking for protected bike
lanes, better bike parking at
businesses, and keeping the existing
lanes unobstructed. Next slide.
For parks and open space, residents
requested more park tree shade as well
as larger plazas, gathering spaces, and
community gardens. They also wanted
green infrastructure, water wise
landscaping that follow the growing
water smart guidelines. Um, shade has
been mentioned often both for comfort
and making walking easier during the
summer. Um, ballpark and central city
were named as top priorities for new
parkland and tree canopy. Several
residents also said that maintaining
existing parks um was very important
rather than building new ones. Next
slide.
Um what we've heard on public safety um
centers on homelessness, drug activity,
and property crime. Some participants
reported feeling unsafe in parks while
walking. Um I do want to highlight the
great work that our park rangers do. Um
I think that's a little bit um of an
education thing for our community that
they are out there. Um Central City
Ballpark and Liberty Park came up most
often. Um several expressed a desire for
services to be distributed more evenly.
Next slide.
Um so so to close what we've heard about
in for this plan area for neighborhood
and community is um residents want to
preserve their community character, the
area's diversity, historic homes, and
support long-term residents and
familyfriendly neighborhoods. Um there's
a clear desire for more neighborhood
serving businesses. Every um everyday
needs within walking distance uh walking
distance and a preferences for local
businesses.
Um, we, as Chrissy mentioned, we've
heard some confusion about the
neighborhood name. So, we'll be looking
at that um, in our future engagement.
Um, next slide.
Um, so, as mentioned several times,
engagement will continue throughout the
plan update. Um, we were at J&J Coffee
this morning. We'll be at Liberty
Heights Fresh later this month. In
August, we're partnering with Hill Utah
on a a ballpark walk audit along with
the community photo walk in Liberty
Park. Um we hope that will kick off um
the through your lens community photo
contest. Um and as mentioned, we'll be m
meeting with the remaining two community
councils. Um we hope to wrap up some of
our engagement in September at the
backyard film bash in the 9inth and 9th
Street Festival. Um, the photo contest
is just another way for people to share
their perspectives on the neighborhood.
Um, it's also cross language barrier.
Um, anyone can submit a photo. It's
pretty easy on your phone. Um, they can
submit their photos showing what they
love, um, how they get around or how
they'd like to see the community to grow
and then we'll display those photos at
the backyard fil bash and hopefully some
of them will be featured in the final
plan. Um, so the community's own photos
and thoughts will help tell the story of
the plan. Um so with that we welcome
council [clears throat] members at any
of these events and if there are any
community or groups events that you
think we should connect with um please
let us know. Next slide.
>> Council member Council Carlson.
» Council member Council Carlson.
>> Um I just want to say a profound thank
» Um I just want to say a profound thank
you for the robust community engagement
you've done on this plan. Um, you had
some slides that said where have where
you've been and I think you should those
should be where haven't you been because
you have been literally everywhere and
I've seen you out in the community
whether it's uh neighborhood spots,
community council meetings, other popup
opportunities. You have um taken
community engagement above and beyond on
this plan and I'm deeply appreciative of
your creativity and your approach to
ensuring community voices are
represented in it. and it's a lot of
hard work and a lot of long hours. It's
not during the traditional 8 to five
workday. So, thank you for your your
work and efforts to elevate community
voices.
>> Thank you. We appreciate that.
» Thank you. We appreciate that.
>> Um the next thing and I had an
» Um the next thing and I had an
opportunity to to weigh in on this plan
and have seen you as I've talked about
on the road at the different community
events. Um, but I just wanted to really
uh express my appreciation also for you
including um redlinining uh and the
historical nature and the ways in which
that denied access to certain
communities to social and economic
mobility and to just really name that
the past influences the present and now
with this plan we're having a
conversation with the future. And so I
want to just continue to emphasize that
we have an opportunity to write some
historical wrongs as we imagine the
future of uh central community over the
next 15 years. But other than those two
things, I just want to again say thank
you for all your hard work on this. And
it's hard to believe you're just really
getting started.
» Council members.
Okay. I wanted to um thank uh the work
uh this this type of uh plans and and uh
visioning for the future, understanding
the the challenges that we have on the
ground, the realities that we we have to
work with. Um uh just help us a lot uh
and and in implementing policies that
impact our community. So, thank you for
the work. Um I I wish we could make some
of these plans available in our own
pages and you know individual console
pages for you know much like the
discussion earlier on the item before um
for the community when they search for
us they can access some of this like
basic information that is actually so
useful when it's put together like this.
So, thank you all
seen.
>> Oh, yes.
» Oh, yes.
>> I want to thank you as well. Um I love
» I want to thank you as well. Um I love
how you're integrating this with
previous plans. That's not an easy task
as you know. So, um thank you for doing
uh the heavy lifting on that. It's much
appreciated.
>> Thank you so much for the work and the
» Thank you so much for the work and the
presentation. Council members, we're
going to keep on uh taking a break now.
Um so we are going to uh re-engage at
4:40.
So 20 minute break, 19 minute break.
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» moving on to the agenda. Um, now we are
back to item number seven. This is
anformational item for affordable
housing incentives two-year report.
We're gonna welcome Nick Norris,
planning director, and Allison Roland,
our council policy analyst.
Welcome.
>> Thank you, Mr. Chair.
» Thank you, Mr. Chair.
This item is a about the affordable
housing incentives report. When the
council first
uh approved the affordable housing
incentives or AHI ordinance, you
requested a report be report on the
policy's implementation be provided
after two years. And since it was
approved at the end of 2023, two years
have passed. Uh [clears throat] but
before we get to that, I want to provide
a little bit of context for the two new
uh council members. you you already know
that the city provides a variety of
financial incentives for developers to
include affordable housing units in
their projects and most of these
incentives of these kinds of incentives
are channeled through the community
redevelopment agency. I almost called it
the RDA but it's a CRA. The affordable
housing in uh incentives policy uses
several additional kinds of incentives
to promote the same goal of increasing
the number of affordable housing units.
These incentives include changes to
certain aspects of the city's zoning
ordinances and streamlining the plan
approval process that developers must go
through before they can begin
construction.
So Nick Norris is here to go into more
detail on the affordable housing
incentive changes in his presentation
and he also includes some new data that
wasn't available at the time of the
transmitt. There are also some policy
questions as usual in your staff report
that you could look over for uh your
interest. Thank you.
>> All right. Thank you. Um, and just to
» All right. Thank you. Um, and just to
add on to that, the intent of the
affordable housing incentives was to use
zoning to incentivize the creation of
afford affordable housing in two
different ways. One was to make it so
that uh public dollars, whether they're
city, state, or federal dollars, were
capable of either um producing more
affordable housing units or more deeply
affordable housing units, which we all
know are the hardest to um realize. And
then two was to shorten the approval
times so that affordable housing
projects weren't being delayed by longer
uh land use approvals like design review
or plan developments
um so that it was easier for them to
align their funding approvals with their
city approvals which are usually
required before they can get uh their
funding. So if you can go to the next
slide.
Um, so this is basically what the
council asked us to do uh when this was
adopted and we chose two years from when
it became effective which was in April
of 2024. Um, next slide.
So these we're going to start by just
talking about some of the stats
associated with what's been submitted
and asked of of the city. And so most of
this data is as of March 15, 2026
because that's when we put this report
together. Um it will have changed um
since then, but um we've had a total of
32
uh property owners apply for to utilize
the affordable housing incentives. Um 13
of those, as you can see, have been
withdrawn. Um and then you can see the
status of of those. So there's there's a
three-step process here. So once
something's submitted, we do our initial
review to make sure we have all of the
required information. That seems like
it's giving a weird feedback on the
microphone, but um and then from there
we grant what's we call preliminary
approval, and that is essentially
acknowledging what you've submitted
complies with our regulations.
Um most depending on the type of
incentive used, there would be a final
approval. So if they need a modification
to a standard in our zoning code which
is authorized as part of the incentives
final approval document those approvals
in place uh and then they can submit or
then they can proceed with building
permit processes. So, as you can see
here, um, we've had a total of, you
know, a little over,300 total dwellings
in the projects that have utilized the
affordable housing incentives and, um,
you know, close to a thousand that are
affordable units. It's important to note
that the city requirement to use the
affordable housing incentives is a
anywhere from 5 to 40% of the total
dwelling. So depending on the incentive
use, that's what would determine that.
And so in [clears throat] in this
instance, not all of those affordable
dwellings
are would are have been approved just
because of our affordable housing in
incentives. Most of those are LITC
funded projects anyway, and they would
be coming here. But what they've been
able to do is get more units than they
normally would have because they can go
up either increase building height,
which is most of what's happened in
terms of the number of dwellings, but
also in some zones that allows other
types of housing to be built. Next
slide.
So, uh, these are all the units broken
down. You may have noticed that there's
a slight discrepancy in the total and
that is because we had one project that
submitted um twice but the way we've
calculated all these we wanted to make
sure we captured every proposal. So the
real number isn't 975 as of this it was
973 because one project submitted the
same thing in two different locations
and then picked one that they went with.
So um but you can see the breakdown of
affordability that percentages of AMI.
So that's the area median income. Um
you'll see 100% there. That is allowed
if it's for sale dwellings. So um if
it's a for sale product, they can be at
100% of AMI. Now that's going to be
still lower than because it's income
based, not housing cost based. So that's
why why you see that on there, but most
of the incentives kick in at 80% or
below.
Next slide.
Um hopefully this is uh comes across as
relatively easy to read, but we wanted
to break down where the applications are
coming both from zoning district and by
council district. Uh I think a little
bit of a surprise is um of the
applications that were not withdrawn,
eight of those are in single family
zones. That surprised us a little bit, I
think. Um and most of those are in fact
the two completed projects we have were
both in one of those zones. Um and then
you can see we also translated the old
zoning districts to the current MU zones
as part of the consolidation here. So
that's where those numbers um come in.
And then by council district uh I don't
know that there's oh
yeah please stay on the slide. Thank
you.
um the
the percentages of the total dwellings.
It's broken down um both by the
applications in each council district,
the total dwellings, and then the total
affordable dwellings. So, you can see
where they are. Um
district five actually, well, District 2
has had the most number of applications.
Um,
district five has had the highest
percentage of total dwellings that are
using the incentives and the highest
percentage of affordable dwellings
followed by um districts two and one.
And then you can see how the other uh
districts follow. That is almost
entirely due to zoning.
Next slide.
So the the different housing types that
have been proposed um are on the left.
So basically depending on what zone
you're in, you so in the single family
low density zones, you can do up to a a
forplex. Um and so most of those
forplexes down to the cottage core,
which is just it's listed there, small
lot, small footprint, detached dwellings
are in those zones. So that's where you
can see those projects. um some are in
an RMF zone, so that's why you get some
of that. Um and then the multif family
are all almost all in the um mixeduse
zoning categories in downtown. And then
the other type of incentive we have are
the various things that could be
modified. So in the R1 zones, there's
different housing types other than
detached uh single dwellings that uh are
allowed. You can reduce parking. You get
extra building stories. And then the
biggest one that people use are the
staff level approvals for modifications.
Um most of these are associated with the
um
low density zoning districts where we're
we're approving lots without street
frontage at the staff level. So that
those units at least um this is mostly
with um twin homes and duplexes that
have been associated with this, but it
allows them to put those on their own
lot so they can be sold.
Next slide.
We did break down the uh bedrooms that
are in these projects. This is only for
the
um
applications that have had a building
permit issued. So we haven't broken down
the bedrooms for those things that have
been approved to use the AHI but have
not had their building permit issued. Um
so you can see um I think these numbers
actually surprised us a little bit too.
um in that you know most more than half
of in fact significantly more close to
60% I think of these or 70% maybe um are
have two or more bedrooms in them. So
that's a reflection I think of a couple
of things. one, we had a pretty large
project, I think it was in the Sugar
House area that had um a broad range of
bedroom units used. And then we had
another one in um kind of in the
Guadalupe neighborhood that also had um
quite a bit of uh two, three, and four
bedrooms.
Next slide.
So, um, these are whatever these numbers
add up to, I think it's around 18 or
something like that that have, um, been
in a various application process as of
March. So, the HI application was either
under review, meaning it had just been
submitted, um, or it's granted
preliminary review or final review. and
then the ones that have either applied
for a building permit, have been issued
a building permit, um, [clears throat]
or have completed it. So, uh, or under
inspection. So, you can kind of see as
of May, we had just one application that
was um, under review that had submitted
a building permit already. So, that's
pretty funny. But, uh, and same with
prelim preliminary approval. they hadn't
been approved to use the AHIs, but
they've already gone ahead and submitted
their plans and permits. Um, we are
actually reviewing those permits when
they come in, not just sitting on them
waiting. So, that that helps reduce the
approval time. Um, and then
we have the final approval. One of the
things is that we have a very high
percentage of uh even preliminary
approvals that have gone to building
permit. So almost everybody who is
applying to use the AHI is also intent
getting building permits. That's much
different than most other land use
applications where maybe 50% of
approvals actually ever submit a
building permit. So they most of those
they try to get approval and they just
die. Next slide.
Uh some of the key points that we've
we've been working on with this. Um so
as you know we'll get into this in our
next slide or two but uh all of these
require recording a restrictive covenant
on the property. Um this is what
requires the most time not just from a
staff time but most time overall uh in
this whole process is um getting those
restrictive covenants to the point that
they can be actually recorded against
the property. Um we've had a limited
number of completed projects. Why that's
important is because this requires an
annual report that's due one year after
you get your certificate of occupancy.
And so since we've only had two
properties completed, both those were
completed towards the I think in
December of um 2025. So their first
annual report won't be submitted until
December of this year. Um and that's
that last point. No projects have had to
submit that annual report yet because
they haven't been built for more than a
year. Next slide.
the restrictive covenant. I wanted to
give a little bit more information on
because this was one of the I mean this
is the key piece of of this that ensures
that um the applicants are actually
providing what they say they're going
to. So the restrictive covenant includes
a bunch of different things. Um there's
the recital that are the basic facts.
Here's the number of units. Here's your
dwellings. Here's your affordability
level, etc. There's some definitions on
what all of that means. There's actually
13 specific covenants that are in all of
the um documents that get recorded. They
vary slightly whether it's a forale
property versus a rental property
because the rental properties, we have a
covenant that says you can't basically
condominiumize this for sale while
you're under these covenants. And then
it addresses what happens if somebody
defaults and then what the city's um
capabilities are. Next slide.
So, these are the types of things that
are in that list of 13. Obviously, you
have to rent to qualified tenants at an
agreed upon rate and for the length of
time. Um, there's certain occupancy
types of things, so they can't rent them
to someone who's only going to be there
for um not full-time. Can't use them for
like short-term rentals and things like
that. How they're maintained. Um,
obviously, you can't discriminate with
who you're renting to the annual report.
um you limited on what you can do for
expanding the buildings, things like
that. What happens if the ownership of
the property changes? That's really
important for for sale things. Um and
then how we enforce that. Next slide.
Um some of the biggest issues with
restrictive covenant right now, these
require a significant time from the city
attorney's office. Um, we do have
templates that are used, but they have
to fill in the specifics for each
project. We help them with those numbers
and putting them in. Um, but one of the
things that we're running into is that
almost every applicant wants to
negotiate some of those covenants and we
have told them we are we're not
negotiating the covenants. That's not
something we're going to do. Um, we've
had we have had some issues where some
of the covenants may conflict with some
of the terms of their lending
institutions in which case we've been
able to create um modify those specific
covenants. That's really important for
LITC which require certain things that
we don't want to conflict with. And our
intent was if somebody already had uh
they're under pretty strict financial
requirements associated with their money
to not get in the way of that. And when
we if you remember for those of you who
are on the council when this was
adopted, we specifically said we didn't
want to do that. If someone already was
going through that, we didn't want to
create another hoop to jump through or
another uh a loop to to go around. Um,
and then again, like I said, this is the
longest part of the approval process.
Next slide.
Uh, we do think there are some things
that we could improve to kind of drive
home some of the point. Um, one of those
is some of these terms we may want to
consider adopting into our code. That
way they are um, it's more clear-cut for
applicants that we're not we don't have
the ability to negotiate them. Um,
we've, like I said, we've res resolved
the conflicts with some of the lending
institutions. Um, and we've gone from
there. And then some of our goals for
making some of these changes, obviously,
we need to reduce the time for the city
attorneys. We're doing so many
restrictive covenants and development
agreements now that our land use
attorneys are significantly impacted by
that. And so, we we really want to try
to do what we can to streamline those
things. Um, and part of that is
eliminating the negotiation part and
reduce the overall time. Next slide.
That might be it. Oh, and then here's
some code clarifications that that we
think of have come up. Um, one is the
timing of subdividing. So, afford the
affordable housing incentives can only
be used on existing lots. What that
means is somebody can't come in with a
parcel of land and propose applying AHI
to all of it and then sub and subdivide
it further. So this is really important
in our low density zones where you get
four dwellings per existing lot. So, if
you have a lot that may be three times
the minimum lot size of that zone, say
you're in an R17000 zone and you've got
22,000 square ft, you would have to
subdivide that land legally before you
could apply for AHI. Then each each of
the three lots would be eligible for it.
But what we're seeing is that those lots
generally cannot be subdivided without
going also through a plan development
process because either they they don't
meet the street frontage or they don't
meet the minimum lot widths and things
like that. And so what we want to
clarify is that if you're going through
a plan development,
the plan development would have to
specifically authorize your use of
affordable housing incentives instead of
getting the plan development and then
trying to apply it. Part of that is
because an approved plan development
becomes in most instances your actual
zoning, right? You've modified certain
things and that plan development has to
be followed with all future building
permits. And so if we haven't authorized
affordable housing to be used in that,
then you wouldn't be able to do it. So
we want to work around clarifying that.
We have no intention of somebody who may
have 20,000
uh square feet for that to be divided
into three lots and then divided again
into four lots per unit to get that.
That is not the intent of the affordable
housing incentives. Um so that's that's
kind of what we want to get to. I
already mentioned um codifying terms in
the covenant. Um, one thing that I think
is in the council office at this I think
it's been transmitted, but um, for
whatever reason when the code was
adopted, the fines were referenced as
being in the consolidated fee schedule,
but legally they can't be in the
consolidated fee schedule because it's
not a fee, it's a fine. And so we're we
have a text to put those back into our
code so it's very clear that it's not
changing the amounts. Um but one thing
we are adding is an additional fine if
you violate the restrictive covenant. So
not just violating the AHI requirements
but any aspect of the covenant. Um and
then the other thing is that um there's
been some confusion with applicants of
whether the covenant only applies to the
affordable housing incentive dwelling.
So that's that 10% or 5% whatever it is
or if it applies to every dwelling in a
development. Our intention when this was
written is that it would only apply to
the AHI required dwellings. Everything
else you're just subject to the zoning
rules or whatever your lending
institution requires you. So that's a
code clarification that we're probably
going to be start working on it over the
next year or two. And I think that's the
end of the presentation, but happy to
answer any questions.
[snorts]
>> Council member Wharton.
» Council member Wharton.
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
>> So, what was what do you think is the
» So, what was what do you think is the
biggest surprise of this? The is it the
negotiations taking a long time
or
>> Yeah, I think
» Yeah, I think
>> people the number of people who want to
» people the number of people who want to
negotiate. Yeah, I think that's probably
I don't know that we anticipated the
restrictive covenant almost everyone
wanting to change some wording in one of
those, right? And it's for us and and
the attorneys, we that's just a
non-negotiable, right? We're not going
to do those things. Now, some of them
have been valid, you know, like I me
mentioned with LITC and but we've
addressed those. And so, I think that's
one of our biggest surprises is how long
that part that process has taken. I
don't think we envisioned it taking
months, maybe weeks. Um, and it for it
to run. The benefit is it does coincide
with their building permit review. But
generally, if you're building a low
density project, those building permits
are review are pretty quick. So, it it
that that's where it that's kind of one
of those big wait a minute, we didn't we
didn't see that happening like that.
So, aside from like LITC or other
funding requirements,
what might a typical negotiation look
like? Like what is it that they're even
negotiating in?
>> Oh, sometimes it's sometimes it's people
» Oh, sometimes it's sometimes it's people
um not wanting like we have the um one
of the I'm trying to remember the exact
thing, but we've had people ask about
why do you have the non-discrimination
stuff in there? I'm like, well, you have
to comply with the Fair Housing
[laughter] Act, right? And we're not
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
>> We're not, you know, and we want to make
» We're not, you know, and we want to make
sure you are.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Um and and so there's been some who have
» Um and and so there's been some who have
questioned the length of term
>> on those things. And those are things
» on those things. And those are things
that are in code.
>> Um so it's it's usually
» Um so it's it's usually
more frequently it's well we don't like
we don't necessarily disagree with it.
We just don't like how you worded it.
>> And so we're just kind of like, you
» And so we're just kind of like, you
know, we're not going to word smith
these things back and forth.
>> Yeah. I mean, I don't want to go too far
» Yeah. I mean, I don't want to go too far
down this rabbit hole, but like I guess
I'm kind of confused as to I mean, I
don't remember
creating like a negotiation setting. Um,
so like I don't know why they feel like
it is negotiable any of it.
>> Yeah. And
» Yeah. And
>> they ask.
» they ask.
>> Okay. So,
» Okay. So,
>> um, and then what, um, have we learned
» um, and then what, um, have we learned
or what would inform, um, like our
thoughts and and conversations about
expanded housing opportunities from
this?
>> Yeah. So, one of the things that we're
» Yeah. So, one of the things that we're
um
seeing with this versus expanding
housing opportunities is that
um
the dwellings, particularly in the low
density, because that's where expanding
housing would apply. is that um the
house the housing units themselves are
typically still pretty large because
there's not restrictions on them through
AHI and so you know we've had one that
was I think it was a a duplex where each
duplex was like over 2,000 square feet.
>> Oh wow.
» Oh wow.
>> Yeah. And so it's like okay that's great
» Yeah. And so it's like okay that's great
if you know and then it was for
somebody's like um adult son who needed
was somewhat independent but you know
needed other and so it's like yeah that
meets I mean as long as you're committed
to this thing and um whereas
um the expanding housing options is
intended to produce the smaller scale
homes so that they're more attainable
without having a um
need necessarily for um subsidized
funding. Really, almost every project
that we've had except for I think two of
the duplexes have had some affordable
housing incentive dollars going to it.
So, so the expanding housing options is
supposed is intended to create an avenue
to create more attainable housing than
what might be a able to here because a
lot of these projects wouldn't qualify
for funding because they're just too
small,
>> right? They're just two units or four
» right? They're just two units or four
units and that doesn't always qualify.
And what about are there any like have
we learned anything about having to the
plan development component or would that
not apply to the
um expanded?
>> So we we would address
» So we we would address
we think similar issues will come up and
so we're working through that
>> okay
» okay
>> already with that. So that that's one
» already with that. So that that's one
thing that we're trying to re into so
that it doesn't get the same scenario
with expanding housing options.
>> Okay. Thank you.
» Okay. Thank you.
>> Yep. Council
» Yep. Council
Mugan,
>> thanks. Appreciate this. I mean, some of
» thanks. Appreciate this. I mean, some of
this is not really uh shocking to me.
I'm I'm thinking about the the R1 R, you
know, five and 7,000. You had eight
applicants and you had the two that were
for sale.
>> Thank you.
» Thank you.
>> Uh
» Uh
did you have these been over the last
like 6 months? Cuz I'm thinking that
they were later. And does that shock you
that the numbers were so low or uh it
was um
yeah shocking that the numbers are so
low or
>> I don't think it shocked us that the
» I don't think it shocked us that the
numbers are so low. I don't going in we
didn't anticipate this being used in the
low density districts all that much.
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
>> So we already knew there was a low
» So we already knew there was a low
>> kind of a low expectation there. Right.
» kind of a low expectation there. Right.
But I don't think that in the first two
years we expected more properties in
those zones to apply than in the other
zones. And some of that is just a a
reflection of the um time upon which the
affordable housing incentives became
went into effect.
>> They went into effect at a time when the
» They went into effect at a time when the
financial world in terms of financing
development was really really
challenging. And so most of those low
density projects were people who had a
and we did anticipate this had a lot of
equity [clears throat] or in in
underutil ba basically very large R1
properties that had space to do it
fairly easily and that's exactly what
those were
>> and and it wasn't a shock that there was
» and and it wasn't a shock that there was
only two units for on the for sale end
of it.
>> No. Yeah. the the first sale is
» No. Yeah. the the first sale is
complicated because people have to basic
it's a different financing mechanism and
people basically have to be able to
carry that weight for sale and be
willing to manage that over time.
>> Right. Right. Right. And so yeah,
» council
>> um so you had information saying how you
» um so you had information saying how you
can't attribute all of the volume, but
do you have any indication in the data
tracking as to whether or not we were
able to promote the geographic
diversity? When we came up with this
ordinance, the idea was that economics
always tends to push the affordable
housing, but this would be a policy tool
to help push that affordability and
spread it out. Do you have any data if
the AHI applications helped with the
geographic diversity? Uh I think I mean
we have it by um council district
but we we don't have an in I think until
some of these we get more built. I don't
know that we'll be able to see if
there's what the concentration actually
is. So we haven't broken it down by
address yet.
>> Um it's ju just because of the time. for
» Um it's ju just because of the time. for
for the future for me a data point like
I don't expect that even a majority of
the affordable housing in the city would
use this ordinance but if this ordinance
is incentivizing an affordability in
places where it hadn't been that would
be really I would be interested in that
kind of data
>> yeah for sure I think everybody would
» yeah for sure I think everybody would
Yeah.
» Okay.
>> Wait, can we do another another update
» Wait, can we do another another update
in like two years?
>> Sure. another two years cuz I want I
» Sure. another two years cuz I want I
mean there were a couple points where
you're like we won't know this until
they're built and I want to know those
things.
>> So is like 2 years another good time or
» So is like 2 years another good time or
>> Oh yeah I think I think that's I think
» Oh yeah I think I think that's I think
that's more than doable. So
>> okay
» okay
>> can the snooze button for two years now
» can the snooze button for two years now
then?
>> Let me just set my timer.
» Let me just set my timer.
>> Say set your timer. [laughter]
» Say set your timer. [laughter]
>> You can set a reminder and let us know.
» You can set a reminder and let us know.
>> Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you
» Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you
for the update.
Um, council members, we're going to go
to C item number H, which uh eight uh
which is uh CIP uh capital improvement
program follow-up. Um now we have uh
we'll welcome Kar Council policy analyst
to the table and we also have our
spreadsheets in front of us. So it's
your time.
>> Great. Thank you. Um, you might want to
» Great. Thank you. Um, you might want to
get those candy bowls a little closer to
you because we have an hour and
[laughter] it's going to be real fun,
but it's a lot. So, um, just a little
reminder, last week we had our first
conversation about the capital
improvement program or CIP, and we went
over the different funding sources, how
many applications we have. As a
reminder, there's 76 applications, 32 of
which came from the departments, 42 from
constituents. total asks were over $58
million. There's $34.9 million to go
around. So, um on our funding logs that
you have in front of you, um you can see
the different funding sources. If we
want to review those funding sources, we
can. If we don't want to, we don't need
to. So, if any questions come up, just
interrupt me because I'm going to keep
going and try and keep this exciting.
So, um,
the orange section on that funding log
is the funding sources. Up above the
orange section on page one, you can see
the total amount available for each of
those different funding sources. As a
reminder, the general fund and
restricted property tax are the most
flexible funds and could go for
anything. Um, just as a reminder, we'll
look at one row al together. Um, for
project number one here we have a one
that gives us the number. So if we want
to bounce around a little bit, we can go
by the number there. The district
numbers in the next column. CW means
citywide. Um, citywide can be anywhere
from two districts to all the districts.
There are more details in the summary
section which has the title of the
project and the division that is
requesting it or it'll say constituent
application if it's a constituent
application and then the division that
the constituent worked with. Um a great
example I'll point it out when we get to
it, but the first we'll see is um
project number 23 is a constituent
application. That's the first one we'll
we'll see of that. So summary of the
application. If we want more details,
it's available in the CIP book. And then
the next column has the totals. So the
total requested amount, the amount that
that the CDCIP board recommended, and
the amount that the mayor recommended.
And then if you follow it to the right,
you can see where those different
funding sources came from. And then when
we get to that point, we'll have the
council your your recommendations and
final well, not your recommendations,
what you decide to find.
Questions or are we ready to go?
>> Let's do this.
» Let's do this.
>> So ready.
» So ready.
>> Interrupt me. I'm going to be looking
» Interrupt me. I'm going to be looking
for a head nod. I'm going to keep going.
Get get this going fast. Okay. Number
one, street reconstruction. They
requested $2.3 million for this. The
focus is going to be on several streets
listed in that second paragraph. Um, and
as I mentioned, reconstruction. So, this
is like the whole street going away. So
200 South um 5 600 East
um Gilmore Drive 900 South Emerson
Avenue Texas Street which overlaps with
CIP application from a constituent
depending on how far the funding goes
but it should go that far would be my
expectation just based on where it came
in on that list. Um, also I wanted to
point out that the majority of the
people in the audience right now are the
from the administration and here to
answer your questions.
>> Yeah. Yeah. So just a quick
» Yeah. Yeah. So just a quick
clarification to what you just said. Are
these streets listed in a prioritized
order or is it a this is what we hope to
address and we'll have to make
decisions?
>> Mark will answer that.
» Mark will answer that.
>> Thank you.
» Thank you.
>> Uh Mark Stevens, city engineer. Uh this
» Uh Mark Stevens, city engineer. Uh this
is our uh goal to be able to get to as
many of these projects as possible. A
lot of the times what depends on how
much of a project we can do, we're
legally required to have an engineer's
estimate that meets what the project
proposed budget is before we can
advertise it out for bids. If we get
back favorable bids, uh which we have
seen uh this past year, then we can put
out even more projects. So this is the
estimated uh goal of projects that we'll
be doing with this fiscal year 27 money
and then favorable bids uh and other
funding sources they become available
will allow us to add to this.
>> Okay, that's helpful. Just timelinewise
» Okay, that's helpful. Just timelinewise
in terms of bids, do you have a sense of
like how long that process takes?
depending upon the size of the project.
If we've got very complex projects where
we have a lot of public engagement, say
a 2100 south, a 300 west, uh 200 south,
usually two-year design and a year
two-year construction. And during that
two-year design is public engagement
concept uh to about 40% which
transportation division handles and
their outreach and then engineering
takes it over from 40% to uh final
design construction drawings bidding
construction and ribbon cutting uh at
the end. So uh depending upon the
complexity could be a year design could
be two years design and then same for
construction could be a year two years.
>> Okay. Um, I guess my my question slash
» Okay. Um, I guess my my question slash
request is that as soon as we know
whether or not some of these like
streets I guess that are lower on the
list um would be eligible to be included
in the funding if you can just let us
know. I just I I know the resident for
Texas Street who's been applying for
CIP. I think this is their third if not
fourth year.
>> Absolutely. Um, and I would just like to
» Absolutely. Um, and I would just like to
counsel them one way or another to
whether or not participating in a future
round is in their best interest or if
they hang their hopes on we would be
included in this space.
>> And and I apologize I didn't answer your
» And and I apologize I didn't answer your
first question. Is the list prioritized
the way it's ordered? The answer is no.
So all of these the funding for that is
the way we've listed them out. Uh based
upon the favorable bids we have been
getting in the market that we're in
currently. I would see very favorably
that all of these could be done. So, uh,
and we'll look into that. Uh the other
thing that we're also looking into is uh
as the 2018 uh general obligation bond
wraps up, there were uh bond interest
funds that were obtained from that. We
have been working to replace any class C
money uh that we utilized along the
entire 2018 general obligation bond with
those bond interest funds, which frees
up that money to be able to use for
projects like this and supplement as
needed.
>> Great. Thank you so much.
» Great. Thank you so much.
Great.
>> We're good.
» We're good.
>> No. Okay, let's move on. Number two, I
» No. Okay, let's move on. Number two, I
want to point out that project number
two and project number three are the
only two projects that have a match
requirement and are receiving funding
from other sources. So, with number two,
it's a match with the county. Um there
it's a 50/50 cost share with the county
to replace the culinary water line for
Sugar House Park.
Okay, I'm gonna move on. Um, oh,
» who needs water?
>> Well, unwashed food is having a moment.
» Well, unwashed food is having a moment.
>> I think I think culinary water is
» I think I think culinary water is
important for anyone who uses the water
fountains or even the dog water
fountains. Like, do we do we want them
drinking lead? No, we don't. Um, yeah. I
think I think the biggest thing and I
really appreciate this being
prioritized. It is a huge need. It's an
ongoing need. Um and it's it's in the
top priorities for the Sugar House Park
Authority. Um and just putting it out to
the universe. We are so grateful to our
friends at the county for helping us
find their matching funds um so that we
can help projects like this move
forward. We
didn't meant to make you advocate for
this one, but thank you for advocating
for you. I know you are.
>> Great.
» Great.
Project number three um is green the
green bike project. Um it this one has
the match also with the city putting
forward 57 just over $57,000.
Um we will receive $792,000
from the federal government. Um they
have rounded this number up to $65,000
with the extra being used to replace um
damaged, rusted, missing bike racks or
bike corrals. So,
>> I might be, you know, I just want us to
» I might be, you know, I just want us to
track this extra little funding here
because we may I certainly have
something that I would like to pitch in
some money for, but I'm sure that maybe
some of us have some other thoughts, but
I wanted to highlight this little extra
gap between what is needed and what is
recommended.
>> I I agree with that. I was also noticing
» I I agree with that. I was also noticing
um thinking about just the match and
then what might be some leftover.
>> Great.
» Great.
Okay, let's go to project number four.
Um, this one is our public way concrete
replacement and rehabilitation program.
Um, this is an annual request for
$750,000.
Um, I believe many of you have met with
with um public services regarding this
recently. Um,
any questions?
Great. Okay. Um, next up is the traffic
signal replacement upgrade. Um, their
request was for $2.5 million. Um, CIP
CDCIP and the mayor both recommended $2
million for this. Um, as a heads up, um,
several, we have some really old street
lights out there or traffic signals out
there. Um, when they no longer work, um,
they they don't track with the traffic.
they just go on a timer system instead
or they fail.
>> Okay, let me ask a few questions here
» Okay, let me ask a few questions here
and I think I would love some
information. The um I know that the city
has been trying to replace all those
cable uh street lights. Uh I think that
was like an explanation that was given
to us years ago. I I'm sure that there
is a reason beyond they're not as pretty
as the other ones. Um, I also notice the
cable street lights.
>> I'm sorry, not you.
» I'm sorry, not you.
>> Oh, you're making you're looking at me.
» Oh, you're making you're looking at me.
Um, you're scaring me there. Um, the um,
but the the also the cost of the street
lights is just so expensive. Uh, and to
me I I was wondering if there is a way
of
um I'm not necessarily talking about
this one funding specifically, but um to
think about this uh and maybe um
I would love more explanation about why
the cable maybe is the why not the cable
um and are there smaller upgrades we can
make into those systems to you know buy
ourselves more time instead of investing
almost millions of dollars in a
a couple street lights. They're so so
expensive. I'm shocked how expensive
they are. Council member Petro.
>> Um,
» Um,
so I am interested in if we had the
magic wand, how many should we how many
new ones would we need to keep pace with
growth and how many would we need to
replace on an annual basis if we just
couldn't just had a magic wand and could
do whatever we wanted?
Okay, great questions. Lynn Jacobs, city
transportation uh director and uh maybe
I'll start with with your your question
about the catary line. So, we call it an
overhead catary system and that's where
you have the cables and the signal heads
hang from those cables. That was the
technology like 90 years ago. The all
the signals that you see that are like
that like 90
>> oh
» oh
>> most of the signals you see are like 80
» most of the signals you see are like 80
90 years old when you see that that
configuration. The the biggest problem
we have with those is that they swing in
the wind. So if we have a windstorm, you
can't see that signal head. Um other
other parts of the country, they still
use them, but we as a state really avoid
them because of the snow and wind issues
that we have here. And so we've really
been trying to upgrade and move away
from those. When you see those older
signals, the real problem is the actual
the all the other infrastructure that's
involved. So you see the traffic
signals, you think, okay, I've got a
pole, I've got a a mast arm, a couple of
heads. There is so much more that goes
into a signal. Um, there's a massive
cabinet that has a a very high-end
computer in it that runs the signal and
tells it what to do. Uh, it has to be
connected via fiber back to um our
system so that we can manage and modify
and work on that signal remotely.
There's just so much that goes into it.
Um, as mentioned in the CIP application,
one of the critical things here is how
the signal detects people. So, if it's
detecting you and it knows you're there,
it can operate so much more efficiently
and intelligently. It's one of the very
first things that will break in a signal
is the detection system. And so once
that happens, then it goes back to this
default pre-timed condition. That's just
really frustrating for drivers because
you're sitting there and you're seeing
that you have a red light and you don't
see any obvious reason why you do. And
so we're always constantly trying to
partner with UD do and partner with
federal agencies to get more money to do
these upgrades. But honestly, it's a
it's a thing that has definitely been
neglected over the years and we have a
massive backlog of signal issues to deal
with. And so, uh, Council Member Petro,
to answer your question, I think we
typically see about one or two signals a
year that we we really should be
installing new ones. I think the the
most recent example of that up on 2100
North out by uh Boeing's facility out
there.
>> They've experienced such massive rapid
» They've experienced such massive rapid
growth out there. And I I don't know if
you experienced it, but the traffic
backups were horrendous. And now we've
got that signal in place. And it's been
just a huge improvement for all the
people working at the airport and all
the people in that area. I think with
the growth in the northwest quadrant,
we're going to see more and more need
for that. So, if we could fund
constructing one or two a year, it would
really help us. But the backlog we have,
we really need to be rebuilding a couple
of these every year. Um, a a new signal
costs about half a million dollars. And
it's shocking to me because when I
started my career, that number was like
$200,000.
>> This is one of the things that has seen
» This is one of the things that has seen
the biggest inflation of anything in our
industry. And honestly, it's hard to say
why. Uh the technology is constantly
being upgraded. They're moving to LAR
now. So that's kind of the new detection
technology that's out there. U DOT is
way on board with LAR, and we're seeing
some real advantages. the new LAR units,
they can actually sense if a pedestrian
is still in the crosswalk and they can
hold the signal so that that pedestrian
can get out of the intersection before
they let traffic go.
>> Wow.
» Wow.
>> So, there's some huge advantages if we
» So, there's some huge advantages if we
can just upgrade our system and make it
work more intelligently. It seems like a
lot of money, but it's a really good
investment to make for
>> quality of life for people that are out
» quality of life for people that are out
there.
>> Are there grants on this space uh that
» Are there grants on this space uh that
we should maybe be pursuing more? Yeah,
there there are actually. And so one of
the things we've recently applied for is
an SS4A grant to try to get some
funding. The SS4A is the safe streets
for all. Um Robin Hutchinson, the former
director of transportation, was actually
instrumental in making that program
happen. Um so we've applied for a grant
this year and we're intending to use
that that grant if we're successful for
LAR upgrades. And if we're successful,
we're going to do a ton of that and
hopefully get a lot of these upgrades
done without having to fully, like you
said, fully replace the whole signal. If
we can just upgrade the detection, that
gets us a long ways towards where we
want to be.
>> So, we're trying to be smart about it.
» So, we're trying to be smart about it.
>> So, does this then represent the total
» So, does this then represent the total
budget for the year for all of the
traffic lights throughout the city?
>> This is what we're requesting for this
» This is what we're requesting for this
year to go out and strategically replace
a few old ones,
>> but this doesn't supplement something in
» but this doesn't supplement something in
the in the general budget as well. This
is exclusively it.
>> It is.
» It is.
>> All right. Who wants to start the
» All right. Who wants to start the
traffic light company with me?
[laughter] We'll sell it for just $450.
Cost savings.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Just to kind of tie into that, the
» Just to kind of tie into that, the
streets division does maintenance on all
these signals. So, as Lynn was
describing, like when you update the LAR
system, we then maintain them and we
have a certain life cycle of in order to
be compliant with, you know, federal and
state laws, they need to be replaced
every so many years. And every single
component of a traffic signal has its
own life cycle. So transportation
replaces an entire intersection. Streets
just does maintenance and replaces like
the cabinet one year and then maybe the
ligh head the next. So you will see
later on a request for maintenance
funding. And that isn't replacing an
entire intersection. It's just the
components of the entire system in the
city to make sure that we're keeping
them in good running order. And then as
we upgrade a new signal, then that makes
the burden on them to maintain it easier
because they have newer equipment to to
work with rather than trying to piece
mill something that's kind of a
patchwork that's out there.
>> But then they're also more expensive.
» But then they're also more expensive.
>> They are for sure.
» They are for sure.
>> Great. Thank you.
» Great. Thank you.
>> Thank you.
» Thank you.
>> Thank you.
» Thank you.
>> Oh, by the way, we also have Wasn't the
» Oh, by the way, we also have Wasn't the
the light the street light the stop
light the first invented here in the
state of Utah? I believe that's true,
Chris.
>> Yeah, it is. And yeah, it's it's still
» Yeah, it is. And yeah, it's it's still
in operation. One of the ones that we
need to replace. No, it's not. I'm just
kidding. [laughter]
I'm just kidding.
>> But if anyone knows where it is,
» But if anyone knows where it is,
>> that's what I I was going to ask.
» that's what I I was going to ask.
>> We need it.
» We need it.
>> I I believe I mention I I mentioned this
» I I believe I mention I I mentioned this
in a in a meeting I had with with the
staff uh last week or the week before.
Um and
someone mentioned that it it may be one
of them may be saved someplace. I felt
like we should do a citywide hunt and
whatever cabinet uh we have to find this
original light because I think it's
worth to highlight the ingenuity of of S
Lakers. So, thank you for allowing me to
go into that route. Um, next.
>> Great. Next up is project number six.
» Great. Next up is project number six.
It's the street overlay. So, when
streets don't need to be completely
reconstructed, the streets division does
an overlay. and they have requested $3.3
million. Um, and there is a list of the
several streets that they plan to target
with this um, within within the log.
Questions, comments?
Okay,
next up, um, project number seven. Um,
this is for safe and open clean park
restroom program replacement. You'll
notice that we have one that a project
that's for replacement and another one
that's for like fixes. So, um this one's
a replacement though. Um this project
will replace one felling restroom and
then upgrade um one at the Riverside
Park. Um
it's for $1.1 million. So, everyone
recommended approval of that and we're
going to go ahead and keep going.
>> Also very expensive uh to replace a
» Also very expensive uh to replace a
bathroom. I don't know how many
I mean
how complicated it is, but it's shocking
to me that it cost a million over a
million dollars to do a bathroom.
Really?
>> Yeah. This actually we had this
» Yeah. This actually we had this
conversation last year also. And I think
I think the number for a new bathroom
last year was $750,000,
but we're we're getting replacement of
one and updates of another. So,
okay. Um, next up on the log we have
project number eight, the Jordan River
sewer and storm water infrastructure
improvements. Um,
the the system is not properly connected
to the city storm water and sewer
systems causing frequent backups into
the parking lot and northern portion of
the park. This has been requiring
emergency maintenance. um this which
this project would get rid of and make
it cleaner and healthier and safe safer
for all.
Great. Um project number nine.
Um this is our vision zero corridor
project. Um they requested $2.3 million
for this and they have been recommended
by both entities for this. Um there are
three priority corridors including
Redwood Road, 900 West, and 800 South.
Um if if approved at this level, it is
proposed that $1.2 million go to the
Vision Zero corridors that I just listed
and an additional $1.1 million go to
safety improvements citywide, including
selected crosswalks near schools.
» Yes. Go ahead.
Yep.
>> Um I wanted to uh flag um a constituent
» Um I wanted to uh flag um a constituent
um item that's later on in the in our
packet. It's number 37. Um in that
constituent request, there's a request
for a a crosswalk at me a and west
temple. And so if you can't picture that
in your head, that is right where the
off-ramp is from the freeway. So, this
council has made some um really and
other uh including the county have made
some really important improvements to
that me a underpass area and it's now
become a destination where children are
coming to play where neighbors are
gathering and I'm concerned along with
this constituent with vehicles traveling
at such a high velocity and slowing down
there it's a real safety concern and so
um while I love what the constituent put
forward in their request
Um, knowing that this year is tight, I
would love if we can find perhaps
$40,000 to allocate towards a crosswalk
and flashing beacon right at that
intersection of me u me a and west
temple.
» Okay,
thank you.
>> I appreciate [clears throat] this on the
» I appreciate [clears throat] this on the
vision zero. I was um thinking about the
red light cameras and the idea that you
know we're not allowed to have red light
cameras because uh but could we have a
red light cameras that just counted the
number of violations that we have of
people running the red lights? nothing
more than just
uh a program to count the number of red
lights violations we had and in lights
we have in the city uh to maybe um give
a highlight that to the state
legislators
and I'm not sure if that would go under
this thing or how if if you could tie
somehow tie that into the vision zero
aspect. I'm just throwing out the idea
on the funding. Uh it came to just as I
was looking through this this weekend.
>> I I love that idea. Um we actually have
» I I love that idea. Um we actually have
the ability to get that data already
from many of our traffic signals. So the
ones that actually are upgraded and have
good detection
>> record
» record
frequency of red light running. So we
could we could pull that information and
create a report based on what we have.
Now we won't be able to do it at every
location in the city because a lot of
our signals are old and don't have the
right detection. But
>> but if you can already do that then I
» but if you can already do that then I
would love to have that. So thank you
very much on the CIP data.
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
>> That would be very useful for for years.
» That would be very useful for for years.
When I joined the council, I came hot on
this issue. I fail on my face multiple
times.
>> I'm Yep. We both would be very useful. I
» I'm Yep. We both would be very useful. I
was I really would love to see those
camera.
>> I agree 100%. Red light running is a
» I agree 100%. Red light running is a
huge um issue for this issue. Yeah, you
bet.
[snorts]
We're
>> good. Yeah. more thoughts.
» Let's go through all of them and then
I'd love to circle back and see shaking
the couch cushions if we can come up
with at least 40,000 for this crosswalk.
>> We got that.
» We got that.
>> Thank you.
» Thank you.
>> It's next.
» It's next.
>> Great. Next up is project number 10,
» Great. Next up is project number 10,
urban trails. Um there are two plans
that direct different urban trails
throughout the city. This year's funding
request will allow the design of the
Redbute Creek Trail Airport trail
rehabilitation and the construction of
active transportation gaps, which is
sidewalks or bikeway gaps. The request
was for $450,000
and all recommended approval.
Great. Um, next project, project number
11. This one the CDCIP board recommended
funding but the mayor did not. This is
the only project where the CD CIP board
recommended funding and the mayor did
not. Just so you're aware, it's a
lighting replacement to improve safety
and access um within parks.
Do we have more context as to why this
wasn't include? I mean, this is a year
of hard decisions, but it any additional
context into why it was in wasn't
included in the mayor's uh recommended
funding.
I'm going to guess that it wasn't
included because there were so many
other there's so many projects for 20
million below. But
>> we can follow up with that. Yeah.
» we can follow up with that. Yeah.
Great. Okay. Uh project number 12 um
facilities replacement and renewal. Um
this was a request for $2.9 million.
They've been recommended to be funded at
$2.7 million. This includes such items
um for the facilities including this
building of light safety and code
compliance, structural integrity and um
core infrastructure systems and
operational building systems.
Okay. Um next item, project number 13,
traffic signal capital maintenance. So,
as Julie mentioned a little bit ago,
this is that maintenance to keep those
those street signals running smoothly.
They asked for 750,000. They've been
recommended for 5 mill 500,000.
If it was 5 million, I think everyone
would be happy. Yeah.
>> Circling back on number 11 on the light
» Circling back on number 11 on the light
replacement uh for safety. Um, can we
get more more details of maybe it's on
me to search on specific what you know
what areas, what parks, you know, uh,
more information about,
you know, to me, you know, improve
improvements in the parks that improve
safety, you know, it's pretty high in
that in in the hierarchy of needs. Um,
so even if we can throw a little money
at it, if we can find something, spread
the peanut butter a little bit might be
useful.
>> Yeah, this is Cat Ander from Public
» Yeah, this is Cat Ander from Public
Lands. Um, our prioritized location for
locations for lighting replacement are
City Creek Park, Memory Grove, and the
City Creek Road going up to City Creek.
Um, we're prioritizing those because
they are the oldest assets and in the
worst condition and need to be repaired
most frequently and require the largest
maintenance obligation. And so those
were our pro proposed locations at this
time, but we have flexibility if there
are other preferences. Um, also being in
central city, we wanted to prioritize
lighting from a safety perspective in
those locations.
>> That that makes a lot of sense. And
» That that makes a lot of sense. And
unfortunately [clears throat] Chris is
not here right now. He would have loved
to hear those parks. I'm glad that he's
not here actually. Um so thank you for
that.
>> Thank you.
» Thank you.
>> Next.
» Next.
>> Great. Um the next three applications
» Great. Um the next three applications
were not recommended for funding. Um
project number 14, which is the transit
capital program. I think these three um
fall under that category of they'd be
really great, but we there's not enough
peanut butter to spread around. So,
capital the transit capital program for
2027
um the plaza 349 balconies and the
demolition of the KFax and Odyssey
house. Um
just going to keep
so I think my question on number 14 was
just related to
um that it leverages the outside funds
from UTA. I'm just trying to get a sense
of like how how large are those funds
because like if it's a oneto one match
or if it's like we'll give you $5,000
like that makes a difference.
>> Yeah, I'll look into that and
» Yeah, I'll look into that and
>> number 14.
» number 14.
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
>> Thank you.
» Thank you.
>> Great. Um let's go ahead and move on to
» Great. Um let's go ahead and move on to
number 17. A quick question. Um sorry.
Where where um where are the locations
of Kfax and the Odyssey House? What's
the address?
>> Oh, you know, I looked that up
» Oh, you know, I looked that up
and I will get Oh,
JP's coming up.
>> Yeah, it's just south of 600 South off
» Yeah, it's just south of 600 South off
Second East. So, where our facilities
and youth and families located just
behind that to the south. I'm not sure
exact.
>> Okay. And those are currently vacant
» Okay. And those are currently vacant
structures um that pose a safety risk
and I imagine folks getting involved in
nefarious activities.
>> We we struggle with vacant structures.
» We we struggle with vacant structures.
Yes.
>> Okay. Thank you. I just wanted to
» Okay. Thank you. I just wanted to
visually see where they were. Thank you.
>> Are they are they city- owned
» Are they are they city- owned
or are we doing
>> both are city owned? Yeah, the city owns
» both are city owned? Yeah, the city owns
all all of those properties.
>> Thank you.
» Thank you.
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
>> Do we have a sense of what Sorry. um the
» Do we have a sense of what Sorry. um the
cost. I know it's very expensive to
maintain
um the security of these vacant
buildings. Do we have a sense of what
we're spending currently on on those
buildings to keep them secure?
>> I think the proximity of those two
» I think the proximity of those two
buildings being right behind our
facilities
uh building where all of our people are,
it's not as bad. We have a we have a
security system, so those stay pretty um
clear. But I mean the other ones I would
have to get back to you on how much
those cost. Yeah.
» Great.
Any other questions on those two? Okay.
And just so you know, I'm making a list
of follow-up questions. And if you have
any that you come up with in by the end
of the month would be very helpful to
get your questions by the end of the
month so that we can get responses from
the administration before we meet for
our next briefing. Okay. Project number
17. Um, this project the CDCIP board did
not recommend funding, but the mayor
did. It's streets legal compliance with
2010 ADA standards for accessibility.
This has um a lot to do with sidewalks.
It's recommended for $750,000.
Just uh wondering where just 500
locations around the city or
are they a million dollars too like
everything else like the toilets and
everything? Yeah. Um, Julie Krookxton, I
don't think I introduced myself last
time. Public services. The locations are
prioritized once we receive funding, but
it'll be anywhere where ADA access can
be limited. So, that could be ramps, but
that could also be like if there's um
some panels that are like totally
nontraversible. So, like no one can walk
on that sidewalk or, you know, take a
stroller or wheelchair down it. Um, so
we try to spread that as equitably
throughout the city as possible and
start with like the oldest and most
severe first so we can provide a long
list.
>> Sorry,
» Sorry,
>> how long is your list?
» how long is your list?
>> Um, long. It's quite long. Yeah, the the
» Um, long. It's quite long. Yeah, the the
the windstorm in 2020 did a lot more
damage to our sidewalk system and so
we've been catching up ever since. um 2
years ago I think there was extra
funding allocated for sidewalk
maintenance which was very beneficial
and has helped us a lot um but it's just
a very large system and a lot of it is
older and so there's always a big need
but we can get a more detailed list if
desired
more young and then Dan
>> yeah I'll just share um that they we
» yeah I'll just share um that they we
received a report as council probably
like less than like a year, maybe two
years ago, related to all of the ADA
compliance needs, this being one of
them. Um, and I just remember like it
wasn't like millions of dollars, it was
like tens of millions of dollars that
were necessary for us to get compliant.
Um, so I do know that I've seen the city
take action steps to incorporate those
aspects into the new projects like as
they come online and come forward. Um,
but I'm pretty sure this will be a drop
in the bucket compared to what the
comprehensive need is. So, thank you.
>> And I can't remember was there a federal
» And I can't remember was there a federal
date or a penalty if we didn't have
somebody done by a certain date on any
other transportation funding.
>> As far as I'm aware, the timeline was
» As far as I'm aware, the timeline was
like having a plan in place. It wasn't
necessarily like the execution of
certain things, but we can triple
confirm that to make sure, but it was
more like do you, you know, have a plan
of like, hey, this is when we'll do
these things over the next 10 years as
funding allows, stuff like that.
Quick question um regarding regarding
this. I was reading this article um
about the cost of infrastructure for
cities and how different cities get
get more for their buck on you know
actually they were talking about ADA
ramps on corners and they were comparing
one city versus another one. Um and you
know one getting a lot more for little
money and the other one getting very
cost inflated uh not because of them but
because of the bids and whatnot. Um and
I saw that the city in some cases is
doing one ramp that serves both
directions. Uh I wonder if if we the
city has a standard practice to reduce
the amount of cost uh and at the same
time getting further uh into this long
list of improvements needed.
>> We I know we have like you know we try
» We I know we have like you know we try
to address the legal need of ADA but we
could definitely look at like can we
standardize saying does one direction
legally meet in more locations than not
so we could lessen the cost in that way.
We can definitely explore that.
>> Yeah, I I will definitely love to see,
» Yeah, I I will definitely love to see,
you know, any any way that we can
stretch our dollars uh and if if in some
intersections it work to have one ramp
versus two uh that serves both uh both
directions. Um I I would love to see if
we can get
>> Yeah,
» Yeah,
>> if we can get that.
» if we can get that.
>> Yeah, we can explore that. And one
» Yeah, we can explore that. And one
measure that we do have standardized is
that when we hire a contractor to do
this work, we try to not pick like 12
different city locations across the city
and have them driving back and forth. We
try to say, "Okay, there's like an
economy of scale of saying you're in
this area, you're already mobilized.
Let's try to focus on like all the
issues in those few specific blocks and
then move you to another block and do
all those areas as well." So that is one
cost-saving measure we've implemented.
Um, but I think we can definitely
explore the ones you've mentioned.
>> Thank you.
» Thank you.
Next.
>> Great. And the next two applications
» Great. And the next two applications
were not recommended for funding. They
were department applications. So, um,
project 18, irrigation upgrades and
supportive water wise landscaping
program, not recommended. And the
project 19 bikeway gaps in 2027, also
not recommended.
>> I would cons
» I would cons
uh just on the water side of the house,
a couple questions. what how much
savings of water would we get from that
program? And then the second is just can
we get you know the state's talking
about water conservation? Is there any
state funding for water conservation
efforts on you know we have the smart
metering we have this you know rip your
strip you know we're going to give you
three bucks a square foot for your yard.
How about giving us 1.2 million for some
water uh landscaping program. I mean
just 1.2 that's nothing big. Yeah,
>> for them.
» for them.
>> Yeah, I would have to get more
» Yeah, I would have to get more
information on the water savings kind of
exact numbers. Um, but I think some of
the things that'll provide a lot of
efficiencies are right now our aged
irrigation systems, our overhead spray,
providing water to trees and turf. And
so in drought situations, we either have
to turn off our entire system, which uh
stresses out the trees and kind of puts
our canopy at risk, or we water the turf
in addition. And so as we separate those
out, we'll be able to water only trees,
not turf in our drought conditions. And
then replacing passive areas with native
water landscaping can reduce water use
up to 60% in those areas. Um so I'll
have to get more information on
individual dollar amounts. Um but we are
as we're doing um implementing new
projects outside of this program, we are
upgrading all of our irrigation,
separating out trees and turf irrigation
where possible and utilizing as many of
those programs as possible. Um they're
kind of on a smaller scale. A lot of our
irrigation systems included in this
program are kind of wholesale parks that
require a significant amount of kind of
overhaul and investment. So that's why
you're seeing larger dollar amounts for
those. We um we also got a report years
ago from uh public lands on this issue.
Um and [snorts] it's a lot of money that
is needed to upgrade our parks to the
standard that we need to. I would like
two things. One is that we can as a city
advocate for
I know I'm dreaming too big right here.
Um state participation and and public
lands. And we are not the only city that
has this issue as pretty much every city
with you know older parks with majority
of cities. And we're talking about a
significant impact on our water. Uh we
can save a ton of water uh if we
actually are able to upgrade this this
uh systems. Uh but no city in this
valley will have the capacity to do this
ever. There is always a bigger emergency
for us. Um, so that will be one thing
that I hope hopefully we can put
together a little plan and start loving
and and getting partners uh in our state
leadership to see if we can get some
matching funds. I don't know or
something. Um, anything really. Um, and
the other thing is
I went through the classes, you know,
the water wise classes to learn how to
local scape. This is through um during
the pandemic. I learned how to do all
those things. It was very fun. Um I
would love to see if there is a way of
getting creative
uh on how to separate both our uh lawns
and our trees. Uh they may not be as
pretty as we wish they were. Um right.
So t trenching and putting pulling all
the pipes and taking all replacing them
with multiple zones and all of that is
expensive. I get it. But I wonder if
there is a strategic uh plan that we can
say we can do this with this median or
with several medians. We can actually
put um you know the irrigation lines
above the ground uh for the trees and
then we can start you know in in in
smaller chunks um uh making strategic
investments to get us closer. Um, I wish
people and to me I think it's a it's
something that people should see. We
they should see those pipes outside
above ground, those irrigations pipe
above ground. Those are, you know,
flimsy, right? We we know how they are.
Um, because they need to also do the
same. We also need to do the same to
start separating our lawns versus our
trees and conserve water that way. Um,
so I I I would love to see something in
that aspect where we can teach but also
show by example what how tenuous the the
issue is.
>> Yeah, thank you so much for saying that.
» Yeah, thank you so much for saying that.
Um, and we appreciate you funding this
program the last couple of years. And I
think part of the intent of some of that
funding is using some of the medians and
islands that were funded in the previous
years to kind of do demonstration
gardens. Um, we're working with our
communications team to kind of do
communications campaigns surrounding
this because there is a big uh there
will be a big shift in aesthetic from
kind of the lawn look to the native
look. And so I think you're spot on
there and we're going to start doing
that. And so yeah, we can definitely
keep you informed as those projects kind
of start coming online and we can kind
of see examples of those in our existing
with our existing funding. So thank you.
>> Thank you.
» Thank you.
>> Thank you.
» Thank you.
>> Great. So um the next project also not
» Great. So um the next project also not
funded recommended for funding, excuse
me. Um bikeway gaps 2027.
Any questions? Should we keep going?
Okay. Um project number 20. Um, this was
not recommended by the CDCIP board, but
it was by the mayor. You may recall, we
discussed this in the budget review,
that the septic system is costing a lot
of money in maintenance.
>> So,
» So,
>> I tried to kill it. I couldn't. It was
» I tried to kill it. I couldn't. It was
obvious that we need it. So, just saying
>> no.
» no.
>> Yes. Okay. Project number 21 not
» Yes. Okay. Project number 21 not
recommended for funding. It was a civic
center construction documents. That's
mainly because there's funding coming
from other sources on that. So, I think
we're good to go there. Um, project 22,
this is citywide project parks legal
compliance with 202010 ADA standards for
accessible design program. Mayor
recommended funding. CDC did not. Um,
it's for pedestrian access routes,
playgrounds, and accessible ground
surfacing for play areas and access
within and to restrooms for ADA
compliance.
>> Oh, Council Member Young,
» Oh, Council Member Young,
>> um, can we just get the the up to seven
» um, can we just get the the up to seven
parks like just a better understanding
of like what those proposed priorities
are?
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
>> Thank you.
» Thank you.
>> Great.
» Great.
>> Oh, I think they're coming. I think
» Oh, I think they're coming. I think
you're going to get an answer.
» I can provide that now or in writing,
whatever is easier.
>> Yeah. No, I'm I'm very
» Yeah. No, I'm I'm very
>> um our priority list, and this is based
» um our priority list, and this is based
on the mayor's office self-evaluation
and transition plan that they did a
couple of years ago. So, we prioritize
Parley's Way Park, Jordan Park, Sixth
East Park, Lindsay Gardens Park,
Ballpark Playground, West Point Park,
and Davis Park. And the most expensive
part of this funding is accessible
surfacing and playgrounds. So, we'd be
replacing the EWF, which is engineered
wood fiber, the wood chips, which is not
technically, it is technically ADA
compliant with a certain level of
maintenance that we're not necessarily
able to guarantee. And so, we'd be
replacing that with the rubber port in
place to make it fully accessible. So,
that's kind of where the lion's share of
that comes. And then access to and
within restrooms and from arrival points
to amenities within the park.
>> Thank you.
» Thank you.
Thank you.
>> Great. Project I think there might have
» Great. Project I think there might have
been another Nope. Project 23. Um this
is a constituent application and
recommended for funding for Highland
Park Elementary sidewalks. Um I want to
point out that with the constituent
applications, the CDCIP was really
looking at safety improvements around
schools. So this checks those boxes.
Yes.
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
>> So, when we do things like this, um, we
» So, when we do things like this, um, we
just talked about a larger city-wide
goal with sidewalks. Are those citywide
goals superimposed onto this as well so
that we're getting bang for our buck?
Like,
we're going to do the ADA compliance
here as well to make sure. Like I can't
imagine we would rebuild without an ADA
compliance, but I I have I have very
mixed emotions about constituent
le applications that feel like they're
cutting in line when we have a
department that prioritizes. So I I
would never say no to something that
helps kids get to school safely, but it
does feel like a redundant ask that
might be rep prioritizing. So tell me at
least if we're going to do that rep
prioritizing that we are making sure
that the citywide priorities are being
observed and we're just checking that
off our list of to-dos.
>> No, that's that's a great point. Um
» No, that's that's a great point. Um
every opportunity where we can combine
projects under a single contractor. And
so when we take these and we get our
approved list that that it's funded, we
will look at our other railway projects,
livable streets projects, local streets
projects, sidewalk projects where we can
get economies of scale to do multiple
projects under one. So you may never see
if this get approved an actual project
that lists just this project. It will be
lumped up under another local streets
projects. And that's across the board
kind of back to my comments for item
number one. every opportunity that we
can to combine projects through
economies of scale to get that bang for
the buck. That's what we that's what we
look at citywide.
>> That's beyond
» That's beyond
>> Yeah. So, obviously this is in my
» Yeah. So, obviously this is in my
district. Um I will just say this is
like a really interesting one because we
um as like both the neighborhoods and
working with council and the
administration looked at other
solutions. And so we were like, could we
even start with like just painting out
an area that was like this parts for the
kids, you know, um, within that space.
And because of the nature of this road
and like how grally it is, that paint
wouldn't last. And so I just wanted to
highlight that they pursued other like
less expensive like potential solutions
and vetted those only to just find out
that that wasn't going to be feasible.
Um, one of the applicants for this um
actually um had a child who was hit um
on the way to school and um it it is
it's it's one of those things where it's
marked by the school district is this is
how you get to school and yet there's no
sidewalk. Um so they're just competing
with cars and it's creating a safety
issue. So anyway, I just wanted to
provide that additional color to the
application.
Thank you.
>> Great.
» Great.
Next application, project number 24.
This is another constituent application
that was recommended for funding.
>> Let me let me interrupt you. So, I I
» Let me let me interrupt you. So, I I
just remember years ago, we tried I you
know, not to take the merits out of this
because I I I know how hard you worked
on advocating for this. uh 100% on board
uh supporting it. But um Victoria and
myself brought up to the city uh the
sidewalk by Wallace Stegner uh years ago
um and there's not one um and it's
gravel and pointy weeds
>> and even more traffic thanks to the
» and even more traffic thanks to the
other things that we approved with that
sidewalk as a contingency
>> and the city because this is a charter
» and the city because this is a charter
school. I'll bet one of the most
successful charter schools uh in the in
in the valley and probably one one of
the most prestigious ones out there. Um
you know there was a lot of reasons why
this sidewalk couldn't happen. Um and
there's semis and trucks and cars and no
sidewalk still. Um, and I would love to
highlight that um, as a as a a place
where hopefully we can do something at
some point. Um, you know, we brought it
up four years ago. I hope that at some
point we can do something. Maybe paint.
Maybe this is one of those roads that
maybe some of the things that we learned
from this other project, we can do uh,
here to get us a little closer to a real
solution. So, thank you. Sorry, I it
just popped in my head and I can now
keep it.
Great. Okay. Got that note down. Project
number 24. Good to go. Yep. Okay. This
is another constituent application for
1700 South neighborhood byway crossings.
They are proposing six of these between
200 East and 1200 East. Um this was
recommended for approval.
Okay. Um the next application was not
recommended for approval. It was a
constituent application to repave alley
um number 4195.
» Yes,
>> I have a question about this one. So, I
» I have a question about this one. So, I
think the question I just had was about
the narrative in terms of the fact that
it was damaged by a contractor. And I'm
just I I guess I'm trying to figure out
like roles and responsibilities related
to like if they have another option to
pursue
improvements from the contractor.
So whenever we'll have construction like
uh in this area uh if that alleyway
[clears throat] becomes kind of an
unintended route or an intended route um
usually we don't like to divert
construction traffic on alleyways but
they just happen to end up being
[clears throat] that way. If there's
damage that can be attested to a
contractor, we will absolutely pursue
those with the contractor as part of
their uh corrective and warranty periods
that are associated with construction. U
but I would have to go back through to
take a look at this one in particular to
see if we were able to pinpoint this was
the contractor. I can assure you that if
it is the contractor's responsibility
and they damaged it and we can prove
that through photos or through
investigation,
uh then we'll do so. We often admonish
contractors and anyone that we can take
a look at pre-construction photos or
videos. Uh that really saves everyone
and provides accountability in the sense
that hey um we can attest this to damage
or the road was already deteriorated. Uh
we can't really attest it to just
construction traffic other than just
older roadway that deteriorated with
some additional traffic. So, if if we
can determine and if the wording of this
is such that it is on the contractor,
then we'll absolutely hold the
contractor responsible and I'll go back
and take a look at it.
>> Yeah, I just appreciate us looking into
» Yeah, I just appreciate us looking into
that um just to at least determine
responsibilities in terms of informing
whether or not this applicant should
come back in the future or if we might
have a different avenue for them to
pursue.
>> No, I'll follow up on this one.
» No, I'll follow up on this one.
>> Thank you.
Great. Uh, next is project number 26.
Um, this was charging stations for the
public the PSB phase three. Last year
you approved phases two and one. Um, so
this is the last phase of the EV
charging and it was recommended by the
mayor but not by the CDCIP board.
Great. Um, next application is a
constituent application number 27 and it
was recommended for funding. It's the
Rose Park Safe routes to school crossing
safety improvements. Um,
again looking at those crossings near
schools.
» Yes.
>> Great.
» Great.
[laughter]
>> Great. See previous school-based
» Great. See previous school-based
discussions. Same thing.
>> Yes. Okay. Next application. The next
» Yes. Okay. Next application. The next
three applications um were not
recommended for funding. Um application
28, traffic circle at 700 South, 500
West. Um application 29, access control
transition to S2. And then application
30, this was a constituent application.
Popppler Grove, 500 South Traffic
Calming.
» Sarah, sorry.
>> I have a question on number 29
» I have a question on number 29
and just the access control transition
to S2.
Um it it noted that there's 13 and I I
don't know if [snorts] this is a
security issue and maybe better answer
it offline. Um but it says that there's
13 facilities. Um I'm just curious like
what
could we get like an overview of like
what those key facilities are that are
still missing this
cover those. So without
>> without getting into detail about each
» without getting into detail about each
individual facility, Maya can elaborate
on some of those um the the effort that
we've gone through over multiple years
to just upgrade. The facilities that are
that haven't been upgraded are still
working. It's a matter of some technical
backend things and then carrying two
badges. So, so folks that a lot of
people are still carrying two badges and
and the system the old system is old.
>> Okay, that's helpful. Um I just I know
» Okay, that's helpful. Um I just I know
security has been a key con
consideration of this council. Um and so
I appreciate that. Um I guess I I would
just flag this one in terms of like a
comprehensive citywide concern. um maybe
for future conversation.
>> Yeah, I think we're we're we're
» Yeah, I think we're we're we're
still upgrading if if we have remaining
funds like this last year. We did have
some remaining funds. Mike can provide
some detail on that, but we're we're
still making progress.
>> Yes. So once we found out we were not
» Yes. So once we found out we were not
going to receive funding for this
project most likely we were able to find
some end ofear funding to cover our
streets and fleet facilities which was
crucial because PD is going in for fuel
after hours just to make sure that they
can access those. Uh remaining
facilities will be public lands, the
Liberty Park maintenance yard, uh
Liberty Park youth and family and then
Fairmont and Aud Hall youth and family
facilities.
>> Thank you. That's helpful. I I guess um
» Thank you. That's helpful. I I guess um
I've just I've seen in our budgets um
and our budget amendments sometimes
we've been replacing um city vehicles
and materials that have been damaged
like due to like security issues and
knowing that we're investing in more of
those solutions. I I just again would
flag this one maybe for future
conversation.
» Thank you.
>> I would like to flag the number 28
» I would like to flag the number 28
traffic
circle
1700 south 500 west. Um
my question for the administration
related uh connected this with a request
from RD from CRA to fund the
improvements in that street and I wonder
if those improvements um could include
some pieces of this um since we're going
to rebuild that street. I wonder why not
just throw the circle in it. Um, so I
would love to see how those two connect
because we have a circle right now is in
paint and in cones, but it's a circle.
Um, so we just need a little curve and
um, maybe the dinosaur goes back to it
eventually, which was the intended
purpose for um, the dinosaur. U, but we
love some information about that at some
point. Oh, maybe now.
>> Amazing. Administration is on it today.
» Amazing. Administration is on it today.
Amazing.
always always on it.
>> Lyn Jacobs again, transportation
» Lyn Jacobs again, transportation
director. I brought up Becca Rolf. Oh,
got to push my button. Lynn Jacobs,
transportation director again. And I
brought up Becca Rolf. Becca is our
transportation lead on the 500 West
project. That project formerly known as
the Green Loop or the beautifification
project of Fifth West, which is included
in the complete street reconstruction.
So
>> yeah, I apologize. Which which
» yeah, I apologize. Which which
>> which project is this 20?
» which project is this 20?
>> Which roundabout is this? Where are we
» Which roundabout is this? Where are we
on? Traffic Circle 700 south 500 west
>> 28
» 28
>> 28
» 28
>> 28 Yes.
» 28 Yes.
>> Um so the design team is currently
» Um so the design team is currently
working on a conceptual design for 500
West and working intensively with the
businesses and the Granary District
Alliance in that area.
We've talked about the possibility of
incorporating
uh a traffic circle or a roundabout into
the design and we've also proposed some
other possible designs. And so we're
currently at the point where we're
getting that kind of feedback from the
community. So if it turns out that going
in the direction of a roundabout is
really what they want, we can certainly
pursue that as part of that
reconstruction project and as part of
that design. If there's other things
that could be done to that corridor to
improve the green space, um improve the
walkability,
um and make that intersection narrower
and safer,
um then we might end up going in a
slightly different direction. So whether
that's the specific solution for the
community's request is a little bit to
be determined and we're having that
discussion actively with the community.
>> I'm confused because this is the Granary
» I'm confused because this is the Granary
District Alliance requesting a
roundabout. So what what you just heard
was we are asking the community what
they want but yet we have here request
from them. This is in the context of the
greater reconstruction of propro
proposed reconstruction of three blocks
of fifth west. So that intersection
was put up with the constraints of the
rest of the street being what they are.
If you're changing the rest of the
street, you have an opportunity to
reinvision the intersection completely.
And that is a greater level of
transformation than what was originally
put up as a temporary solution and then
it was asked for as a permanent solution
here.
>> And this all has this all has to do with
» And this all has this all has to do with
the timing of the application as well.
So they would have applied for this last
fall. We were just barely starting our
conversation about what this project
could look like about that time. And so
as it has evolved, we don't know yet. It
could be a roundabout, could be
something else. That's something we're
going to work closely with them. But I
think to answer your direct question,
yes, this intersection would be
addressed with a complete street
reconstruction of that location.
>> Amazing. That's what I really wanted to
» Amazing. That's what I really wanted to
hear because we already sort of gave a,
you know, a go ahead on the CRA funding.
So to me, I wish we can accomplish
whatever it is. Maybe it's a different
thing, but something there. So we are in
the same
>> our commitment is to work with them
» our commitment is to work with them
closely to make sure that we get a great
solution at that location. I would hate
that we finish something and you know a
year later we're like breaking it
building it roundabout blows my mind.
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
>> Great comment. Thank you.
» Great comment. Thank you.
>> Yeah. And there will be another round of
» Yeah. And there will be another round of
public engagement on this in particular
in August.
>> Amazing. I please let me know because I
» Amazing. I please let me know because I
work in the area. So
>> thank you.
» thank you.
>> Absolutely.
» Absolutely.
>> So we are a little beyond time.
» So we are a little beyond time.
>> Yes we are. And the our applicant is
» Yes we are. And the our applicant is
here right?
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Oh yes. Okay, then we will stop right
» Oh yes. Okay, then we will stop right
there. Thank you so much, Kate.
I appreciate everybody in the
administration too, uh, for their prompt
answers, clear direction. Um, I'm
amazed.
>> Can I just
» Can I just
>> just a reminder to council members that
» just a reminder to council members that
if you do have any other questions about
the CIP projects to please send those to
staff. We will not only be compiling any
information we can gather in response to
your questions with the administration's
great help, but also if you have
interests on projects that we didn't get
to yet, we can also compile that list so
that it's in the updated staff report
and council members are aware of all
council member interests and funding
changes.
>> Amazing. Thank you.
» Amazing. Thank you.
>> Thank you.
» Thank you.
All right, we're now moving on to item
nine, which is a board appointment to
what's effectually known as a peanut
board, parks, natural lands, urban
forestry, and trails. And we have an
advisory board. And Tyler Thunel is here
with us. So Tyler would love for you to
come up
and um just share with us uh about a
minute or so a little bit about your
background and uh why you're interested
in serving on the peanut board.
>> Yeah. Um thanks for the the time. It's
» Yeah. Um thanks for the the time. It's
been insightful to sit and listen. Um so
I've uh grown up here my whole life. I
was born and raised in the Avenues. Um
my wife and I own a retail store in the
avenues on Second Avenue in Q Street
called Mara. And um we've realized the
importance of community over the years
and how much we um are invested in uh
our backyard and and the people around
us. Um I'm lucky enough to work in the
cycling industry, which is my biggest
passion. Uh really anything with two
wheels, mountain bikes and road bikes
and gravel bikes and even dirt bikes
here and there. Um, so, uh, the
application came as a recommendation
from Austin Whitehead, who, um, was a
work colleague of mine and is a is a
close friend. And I think that, um, all
of this kind of came together somewhat
quickly, but it was super exciting. And
so, I think, uh, my potential to have
any sort of input on what might develop
as far as what's related to the peanut
board would be uh, kind of a highlight
of mine and something I'm really
invested in.
Thank you so much for that. Council
members, any questions? Council member
Dugan. No,
>> I just appreciate your work with the
» I just appreciate your work with the
peanut board because uh you know the the
trails, the bike paths and all that and
working with you know Sweet Streets and
others to make our streets safer is uh
so uh commendable and I appreciate the
the passion for it and uh keep it up.
Thanks.
>> Thank you.
» Thank you.
>> Thank you again for volunteering to
» Thank you again for volunteering to
serve on the um on this advisory board.
So, you'll be placed in our consent
agenda tonight um at our formal meeting,
which starts in about 45 minutes. You're
welcome to stick around for that formal
meeting, but you don't need to be
present in order for um you to be
approved to that board.
>> Okay. I do have a four-year-old. I have
» Okay. I do have a four-year-old. I have
to transfer from Fair and
>> thank you for your uh patience and
» thank you for your uh patience and
flexibility this afternoon.
>> Yeah. No, it was fun to listen in. So,
» Yeah. No, it was fun to listen in. So,
thanks for let me hear.
>> Thank you so much.
» Thank you so much.
>> Thank you.
» Thank you.
>> Um we're now moving on to standing
» Um we're now moving on to standing
items. Items number 10, report of the
chair and vice chair. I don't think
there's anything to report. Um and then
item 11, report and announcements from
the executive director. Any report and
announcements?
No report and announcements. All right.
Um with that, the council work session
is now adjourned. Thank you.
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