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» Good evening everyone. Welcome
[clears throat] to the July 13th

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committee the whole meeting. I'll be
your chair this evening, councelor

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Penna. And uh as our custom, we'll start
with the land acknowledgement. And on

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July 13th, we acknowledge that this
sacred land of which Miss Walls is now

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located has been a site of human
activity for over 10,000 years and is

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rich in indigenous history. This land is
the ancestral unseated territory of the

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Argangquan Anesnabi nation. We're
grateful to the Argangquin ancestors who

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cared for the land and water that we
might meet here today. We're also

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grateful to the Okonangquin people for
their contribution in the making of the

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Rita Canal which runs through Smith's
Falls. We're mindful of broken covenants

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and the need to reconcile with all our
nations. Together, may we care for this

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land and each other, drawing on the
strength of our mutual history of nation

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building through peace and friendship,
being mindful of generations to come.

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And uh I have a recommended motion that
the July 13th, 2026 committee, the whole

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meeting be approved as circulated, moved
by councelor Robinson, second by

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councelor McGuire. All in favor? That's
carried. Thank you. at this point if

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there's any disclosure unitary or
monetary interest.

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Seeing none and we have another motion
uh that the minutes of the June 15th

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2026 June June 22nd 20 26 committee the
whole meeting be approved as circulated

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moved by councelor Miller second by
councelor Brennan. All in favor that's

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carried. I did want to uh remind those
of you who are watching uh our internet

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and your internet may be compromised
still. If it is uh no worries, we'll be

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posting this uh uh first thing tomorrow
morning. [snorts]

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However, we'll do our best to live
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cooperate.
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councelor McGuire,
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Could we get the minutes posted with the
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the week's agenda that they're going to
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minutes can be posted with the meeting
that they were approved for. Um, and my

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reasoning is that uh I don't always read
the minutes because when I'm going

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through the reports, they're not there.
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everybody, members of the public and
ourselves, if it was listed in the

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agenda like a report. um you know it'd
be easier not to miss them.

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» Okay. Uh do you understand that
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» No, I don't. I'm not following.
>> Uh so all of our reports like when we

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click on the link
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» Can we get [clears throat] the draft
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» with the link?
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posted at the previous week,
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back and and check that. So, if we could
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that they were from.
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» But the draft ones posted on move three,
approval of agenda,

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» then we can read them as we're going
through our reports after the meeting.

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» Do you have any comment, clerk, you want
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» I'll have to talk to councelor McGuire a
bit more. It may it may call for some

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amendments to the procedural bylaw. Um,
but I will chat with councelor McGuire

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and if if it is feasible, we 100% can do
that if it's easier for everyone.

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» Is that of interest to council? So, the
clerk will come back uh the next meeting

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and [clears throat] give us an update on
that. Thank you.

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Um I don't see our delegation unless
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» Yeah. Okay.
On to uh I believe we do have some

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director's reports.
>> Uh we do indeed, Mr. Chair. We have two

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starting with Mr. Crank.

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» Good evening. Just a couple quick
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firstly, in regards to the Heritage
Conservation District, uh council will

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recall from an earlier update that uh
that we do have uh that we do have an

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appeal on the HCD and based on the rules
of the Heritage Act, once there's an

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appeal of the of the HCD, the uh the
enforcement of the of the entire

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district is on pause until the uh until
that's until that's resolved. In this

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case, the OOLT has now granted the
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into effect for the remainder of the
property other or the remainder of the

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district other than the one property
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we'd certainly like to thank the uh the
appellants for their their cooperation

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in that. So, I'm just uh publicly
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the Heritage Conservation District is in
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properties in the district. Secondly,
with respect to the official plan, we're

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getting very close to to releasing the
uh the second draft of of the OP and uh

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certainly we appreciate the work of of
the steering committee and and others

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who provided comments through uh through
the entire process. We've done done a

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lot of work especially on the uh on the
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developed some some policy there. So,
we're working with with Dylan to

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schedule the statutory uh public meeting
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the end of uh the end of August. So, we
will keep uh we'll keep council apprised

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once that's once the uh the draft OP is
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meetings been scheduled.
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» Questions or comments? Certainly a
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our heritage district is now in force
and uh let the fund begin over the next

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decades to come and thank you for your
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» Was there another
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development and tourism is on with a few
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» Uh good evening. A couple of updates for
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retention and expansion info session and
training session went quite well last

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week. We had seven participants. Um
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were there and uh we had good discussion
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we can use our our business study to to
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» just to speak up
Mike picks it up but the people in the

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» Okay. No, I mean that that's [laughter]
so it's it's only you in here.

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» I'll speak loudly. Thank you. And
slowly. Our um work on the EORTL that

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would be the rail loop is going well.
Our feedback has been submitted. Uh

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there's a marketing plan being developed
by the group by the end of the year and

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we've had some conversations interdep
departmentally with uh community

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services and um public works about how
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uh infrastructure and signage. Most
importantly, the pop-up art gallery has

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been receiving great uh favorable
reviews. Uh it's open now in the

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downtown. We've got it for two months.
It's supporting the art block and RTO

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artist of the year uh which are both
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help us support the kickoff of a
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ultimately, whether or not artists or a
similar association decides to continue

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working as a gallery, we're hoping it
will support investment attraction by

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highlighting one of the most beautiful
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cleaned up and and basically, you know,
has an opportunity to go through and

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check it out. The vertic I think was
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some of you were there and um positive
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original artwork. So, that's exciting
news. And then we've got a quick video

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to show you some of the social media
stuff. And I'll just pass this around

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because I won't have time to get into
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That's okay.
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So basically we're trying to capture as
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some of the early metrics coming in from
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regards to uh SEO and GEO which is
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So our events in Smith Falls page is
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city website after implementing the
recommended changes and that is the

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currently most second traffic page after
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that's a good stat. Um
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of the traffic to the tourism web pages
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we've we've trying to up our game with
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think other than the events in Smith
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seeing less than 1% of total site
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a shift to a a separate micro site for
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as part of the destination planning.
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just highlight our target demographics
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holding steady at 47.4% 4% of our
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and over is 37%. So we're sticking to
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findings to to that group and we've got
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five months early given our goal to hit
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are promoting our tourism products. Our
what's happening newsletter is um got a

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really high open rate 23% higher than
the industry average. We've had a couple

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of social media influencers through
town. Um, we've gotten some really great

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coverage from that. We've partnered with
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we've been picked up by Nars City as a
collaborator and picked up by Ontario

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Travel Destination Ontario and featured
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time we've ever been featured on on the
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So, the video is getting thousands of
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and it's about Smith Falls as a paddling
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out a reel in partnership with Labote,
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Remo uh as collaborators and it's just
been launched. It's about a Smith Falls

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road trip for a young family and they
stay overnight in a caboose and lots of

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positive comments from that. Um
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the opportunity to stay in a caboose and
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that. Special mention to Tim Norris at
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139,000 views on Facebook, 11,000 on
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currently and 120 plus comments
including people looking to donate and I

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would add positive comments which is
which is nice to to have. And uh yeah, a

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few other visuals in the handout of
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Uh we've also included information from
Rita Lakes Rita Ramble which is an event

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that was incubated by economic
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other events that are run by our event
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highlight the tourism opportunities for
ATV riders because we have a unique

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advantage compared to surrounding
communities where we allow ATVs in the

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downtown within the city streets. So we
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attendees and uh the club will take this
over now and is planning next year's RTO

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ramble as we speak. [snorts]
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» Thank you very much.
>> Uh any comments or questions

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for Sounds like we're on the right
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» Thank you.
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[clears throat]
for your reports.

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» That's it. Thank you.
Uh we have no committee of the whole

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consent report and our first uh priority
issue is uh with Chief Burl on the

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backyard hen program.
>> Welcome Chief. Good evening. Thank you.

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Uh my report tonight is to seek
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with a draft bylaw that I have proposed.
Uh as pre as stated in the report, this

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draft bylaw was presented uh a year ago
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at that time, there was a number of
items that were removed to facilitate uh

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residents uh the ability to start up uh
the backyard hen program, review it

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after a year, and determine whether or
not it was a feasible operation. Uh

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since that time at the conclusion of the
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uh council committee the whole uh
directed staff to come back with the

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draft bylaw which is uh identical to the
original one that was proposed. Uh this

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bylaw uh there's one item that is
missing and that's for council committee

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the whole to determine whether or not uh
they are in favor of it or support it

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and that would be the licensing and
registration.

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uh the licensing can take place or the
registration can take place without a

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fee uh or the license take place without
a fee. The reason we didn't put that in

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is in the previous reports that were
presented there were a number of

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municipalities that had a variety of
different levels of charge whether it

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was a free charge for them up to $200 or
$300 a year. Uh the intent uh for this

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project should it be a permanent one is
to ensure that the municipality has cost

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recovery uh and that the items contained
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mechanism that we can provide
enforcement, inspection, removal uh and

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the recommendation in the bylaw is to
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we would have with cats or dogs. If you
exceed the number of limits or there's

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an animal on the loose that the cost to
pick that animal up or retrieve that

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animal uh would be the same as a cat or
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Looking at that, we [laughter] only have
one uh concern with that should you

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proceed is where do we take these
animals? No location has been

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identified. Uh the delegation that was
to be here tonight uh was one area where

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they would accept animals, but they were
at their limit the last time we spoke,

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which was a year ago. Um we still have
not determined whether or not there is a

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livestock disposal in the general
vicinity or a manure disposal in the

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general vicinity. We know that the
garbage collection will not pick that up

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if they exceed the allowable amount
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Saying that we've we've gone over this a
number of times. Um I'm providing

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council with three options tonight and
that is to accept the information

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contained in the report and pass a bylaw
permit in the backyard hens in the town

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which is recommended with the attached
bylaw. Option two is not to accept the

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revision and end the pilot program andor
uh backyard hens in the town. The third

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option is for council to defer the
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next elected council.
>> Thank you very much, Chief Council

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McGuire had his hand up early, so why
don't you kick it off? just uh want to

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say I fully support the draft bylaw as
presented and attached tonight and

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hopefully can pass this and this is the
last time we talked about it for a

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while.
>> Thank you. Anyone else? Councelor

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Miller, [clears throat]
>> thank you. Thanks for your patience with

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us. Uh Chief, um I do support uh option
one and I support your recommendation um

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about licensing and registration and
matching it with dogs and cats. So

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» councelor Bren.
>> Yeah. Well, no surprise. I support

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option two. I I I think it was folly to
go down this road in the first place. Um

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and to treat chickens like cats and
dogs. I know the difference. Uh chickens

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are livestock and they're pets. I was
taught that in primary school. So, um I

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I I don't think it's a good idea. I
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I'm not sure. Um I will say that uh in
June I was contacted by a resident on uh

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on Merrick Street um about a fox who's
been half tamed there for a number of

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months. Well documented sightings. uh
chief followed up for me and uh the fact

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of the matter is uh I did ask her if
there's chickens in the neighborhood.

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there are um and there's nothing we can
do about it and there's nothing M&R can

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do about it because the fox would have
to be dead and I'll ask the chief is is

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that right
>> through the chair that's correct uh we

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have no mechanism to trap the wild
animal uh or remove the wild animal and

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no agency will touch it unless the
animal is deemed to be

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» containing rabies or is is of ill
health.

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» Yeah. So um no one's surprised. I I I I
I think this was folly to go down this

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road in the first place. So, I'm I'm
sure I'm probably going to be in the

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minority, but that's my view.
>> Thank you, Mayor P.

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» Yeah. Chief, uh can you talk a little
more about cost recovery when it comes

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to registration licensing? What what
will that look like?

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I if if uh council was to endorse the
licensing registration, uh it would be

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on the same lines as a dog tag, a cat
tag. Um and certainly for the purposes

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of of
being able to identify exactly where

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they're located uh so that enforcement
and inspection could take place. At the

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present time, we have no idea how many
where they are. Um, as councelor Brennan

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indicated, we've been influxed with
calls about this fox. Um, and certainly,

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uh, uh, people are scared, they're
nervous. They say that the animal has

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has been, uh, very aggressive. Um,
unable to do anything about it, which

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didn't satisfy them. Uh, they've
indicated that the presence of the

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chickens in the area, that is what
prompted this animal to be going through

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the backyards back and forth. Uh again,
we can't confirm or deny that, but

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certainly uh it makes sense if they
weren't there previously. The cost

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recovery portion would be uh should
bylaw go out and have to investigate

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these and search and look and uh we need
a mechanism in place to ensure that all

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the taxpayers of town aren't covering
the cost of uh I don't I don't want to

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say a wild goose chase but certainly
looking for animals that are on the

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loose or stray or to where they came
from. uh should they encounter and pick

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up an animal that's on the loose. Again,
no idea whose it is uh or where it is.

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Uh with the registration part of it, at
least we have an idea exactly in the

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general area. Um that the possibility
could be, you know, one of two or three

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or four depending on how many are in
that area that have them. So you suggest

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a probably a low barrier cost to more
more to track where these hens would be

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housed,
>> right?

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» Uh we're not planning to inspect the
coups to make sure they're compliant.

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We're simply more a matter of having a
record of where where they are and be so

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we better prepared to deal with
situations should they arise. Is that

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correct?
>> Correct. Now, if if we were to go out,

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um the only cost recovery that would be
in place to insurance compliance or

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non-compliance would be um a fixed
yearly fee or reinspection fee, an

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annual fee um that some jurisdictions do
have. Uh some are $30 a year, some are

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$100 a year uh which would cover the,
you know, partially cover the cost of

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going out and inspecting. One of the
items that again uh inside our expertise

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is the size of a coupe, size of a a run
uh for that. So to be able to do an

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inspection and do an enforcement, those
items need to be contained uh within the

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bylaw which we're willing to bring back
with the contents of that uh following

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the direction of council.
>> Okay. So, um, as as long as a the

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license registration fee is fairly
modest, 30, 40, 50 bucks, whatever, I'll

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be supportive of having that as part of
the model to give us that at least the

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the understanding of of where they are.
Uh, we we would know they've got a

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information package as well as that be
distributed. So, they have they would be

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able to I guess ensure compliance with
the setbacks and and the coupe size etc.

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Even if we're not inspecting, I think
most people would be respectful of of a

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bylaw. Uh so we'll have to I guess come
back with a recommendation when it comes

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to the dollar amount.
>> Okay, Council Robinson.

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» Uh thanks. Um I'm not going to uh talk
for very long. I uh I'm not changing my

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opinion from previous discussions. Um, I
don't think that farm animals should be

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raised in inside an urban environment
and I won't be supporting any bylaw

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about it. I'd rather see I'd rather see
it come back to the next council for a

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final decision.
>> Thank you, uh, Council Quinn.

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» Thank you. I, uh, I appreciate all the
work that you put into this and it

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doesn't come at no cost. Very definitely
doesn't. And I'm on that opinion that I

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really believe farm animals really
belong in the country, not in town. And

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I do think that there can be issues
uh with allowing this to happen. And

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right now, I guess there haven't been
too many issues. But if it um is put

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into place, then there could be more
people doing the same kind of thing and

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bringing in
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and [clears throat]
no one knows where it's going to lead

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to. And like you said, if chickens are
allowed, then what's next? I was

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thinking I'd get a goat so and have to
cut my grass. So, I'm just being smart

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on that. But anyways, no, I I agree that
chicken should be allowed should be in

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the country, not in
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council, you want to jump back in.
>> Thank you, Mr. Chair. Um I think first

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thing I just want to clarify something
that based on my understanding and that

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um I was lucky enough to get to study at
McDonald campus at McGill University and

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it has the faculty of agricultural
environmental science and we were taught

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that chickens are poultry not livestock.
So I think that it's an important

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differentiation. I think another um
another point that's important to note

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is there's a lot of urban municipalities
in Canada that are using goats for uh

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for controlling their their grass in
certain situations. So, um, just because

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we haven't done it before, it doesn't
mean that, uh, that things can't be done

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differently. Uh, when we talk about
licensing and registration,

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uh, I'm okay if it's voluntary. Right
now, it's not in the proposed bylaws.

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So, depending on the wording of that,
but because dog and cat tags are

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voluntary, I think that this should also
be voluntary. And I'd only support that

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aspect of it if it uh if it's the same
as dogs and cats. So right now I fully

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support uh the draft bylaw as presented
but um

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yeah depending on on where that
licensing registration goes uh I just I

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don't think it's fair this is chickens
are not as dangerous as dogs

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» right so the summary is that three
counselors oppose it all together

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[clears throat] like which is option
three I think uh the mayor said he would

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uh like to see that modification of the
uh fee from the do [clears throat] you

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have any comment on whether it be
voluntary or involuntary?

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» Uh
no, I I I respect council member's

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comments, but I think overall it's it's
a low barrier to register. I mean, and

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there's a lot of merits to have a dog
and cat registered, of course. Um, and

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but I will set some not everyone
licenses,

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but uh I would prefer in the situation
that it'd be part of the process

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requirement.
I don't know what if we had if we

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discovered one that was not registered.
I I guess our action would be to ask

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them to register. We're not going to
tell them to get rid of their animals, I

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would think. But from a tracking
standpoint, from a I guess collaboration

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standpoint, and work towards a solution
here, that's uh acceptable by I guess by

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the majority, I would prefer we go that
route, but a low barrier cost. And maybe

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we can even if want to agree on that
tonight, then we could be able to move

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forward with this. I guess it's
depending on councelor McKenna's

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position, I guess.
>> Well, council me, do you have any

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comment on a modified uh you were going
with it as it was presented? Um,

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[clears throat]
yeah, and I I think we're pretty new at

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this and I and I agree with the mayor
and that I think a fee um for this

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particular [clears throat]
situation is warranted and it doesn't

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have to be a huge fee, but just
something to show both sides are serious

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and we'll follow the rules.
>> So, you're okay with a fee?

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» Uh, no. [laughter]
>> Okay. I guess is the question like if it

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if it's a tie is it uh
>> it's defeated

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» but does the does the pilot continue as
written?

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I was assuming avoid we're we're talking
about changing but well I guess that

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would be council's decision but uh
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» because if if the status quo remains
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» yeah this was an update after one year
and this is the recommendation and

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council can decide on it or not or just
say leave it as it is which I thought

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was one of the recommendations

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so there's really no clear uh consent
ensus on on this particular report to

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council tonight. Um
and uh whether the bylaw or sorry

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whether the pilot would continue for
another year. I guess it's a separate

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discussion. Um
is my take on it. Yes, council.

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» So I guess my question is it's passed as
a pilot. Does that pilot become

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permanent if nothing replaces it or it's
not rescended?

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» Again, that's council's decision. Um, it
would be a different report

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unless
or chief chief bro want a comment.

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» The at the last meeting.
This was to be a continuation of the

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pilot project until a final decision was
rendered by committee of the whole and

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council on the draft bylaw containing
the articles that were previously

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removed at the onset of the pilot
program. So, if council is supportive of

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the items contained in the report being
included in the bylaw along with a

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registration fee uh and fee structure
similar to the cats and dogs that could

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be incorporated into the bylaw.
>> That's what I understood and council's

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not in favor of that. So, we don't have
a consensus. So, he's asking what

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happens. Well, it's nothing happens.
See Mars. Uh yeah, Mr. Chair, I think

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you you got it. Um I mean, the whole
idea of a pilot is to test it and then

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come back and either change it or stop
it.

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So um in the absence of changing it, the
default it it's really council's

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decision, but it it you would stop it if
it wasn't working.

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There's no evidence to say it's not
working. The recommendations are to make

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it work better in the eyes of staff.
>> That's right.

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» So, council can still make the decision
as to whether to continue the pilot or

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not as is.
>> Councilor Brennan,

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» I I respectfully I would say that it's
not working. There's foxes running

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around town. So,
but that's just me, right?

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» The foxes have been in Miss Walls
before. Yeah.

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Okay.
>> Yeah. Wild wildlife is [clears throat]

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alive and well in Smith Walls and it and
in every other community,

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» they're more attractive now.
>> Uh so unless you're interested in uh

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some license fee, then
>> I'm okay with the license fee as long as

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it's a voluntary registration, the same
as the cats and dogs,

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» and that's different than what the
mayor's proposed.

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» Yeah.

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Uh so there is no consensus on any of
these reports. Uh so the question then

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becomes would we just like the status
quo to continue and it sounds like as

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councelor Robinson said the next council
can deal with it. So I don't want to see

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this come back again. Uh we could keep
going with the status quo which is our

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pilot extending it until next council
has a chance to look at

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that's the uh
or not end at all right now.

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So, uh, end it all right now is, uh, is
just by a thumbs up.

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One, two. [clears throat]

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Sure. Do you have any opinion on this,
Council? Quick.

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» No.
>> No. I

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» You have no opinion? Okay. All right.
And then to uh let the pilot keep going

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uh in its current form and let the next
council deal with it. Just a thumbs up.

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Not sure.
>> Okay.

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» I think the downside of letting the
pilot continue is that the enforcement

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mechanism is not included in the pilot.
>> That's correct.

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» So, it's not an ideal outcome.

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Council Miller,
>> I'm just wondering if Council Councelor

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Maguire would consider um making the uh
licensing fee um mandatory for now and

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then asking for another one-year review
with the new bylaw just as a way to put

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this to rest for now and to make sure
that um we can get this bylaw passed and

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because it's so new try it out again for
another year. Would that be something

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you're willing to consider?
>> Council me thoughts.

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» From my perspective, it's more about the
fairness to different animal owners in

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the town. And I don't think it's fair to
have one mandatory, one not mandatory.

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So, I don't mind the voluntary process,
but um unless we're going to and I don't

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want to get down the road where cats and
dogs become mandatory, but um I just I

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think we need to question. We've got
we've had a year of this. you know,

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there's been no issues with uh that I
think the registration would solve. And

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and I think it's important to note that
we had issues with um chickens in town

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that didn't comply with this bylaw
before we even started debating this. So

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um the issue of enforcing animal control
with chickens has existed before this

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bylaw came up. Um the precedent set with
other animals that uh that are much more

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dangerous that that there's a voluntary
registration process. And I just think

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00:33:25,519 --> 00:33:31,679
that it's important we apply consistency
of fairness for uh for all animal

410
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:35,039
owners.
C Mar

411
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:40,320
» Yeah, thank you, Mr. Chair. I I think we
should explore what we mean by mandatory

412
00:33:37,519 --> 00:33:46,480
registration. Our bylaw requires if you
have a dog to have a dog take. It's not

413
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:52,480
voluntary. You need one. Do does every
dog owner have one? No, they don't. And

414
00:33:49,039 --> 00:34:00,880
we're not able to enforce it. So we're
not there's no material difference

415
00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:09,839
between whether it's a chicken or a dog.
We can't force people to have a license.

416
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:14,320
So So I don't unless you know their dog
is running a stray then we catch the dog

417
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:20,240
and we require them to license it. But
so so I I I wouldn't want to draw a big

418
00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:25,679
distinction between the type of animal.
You either require it or you don't.

419
00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:30,639
The the issue comes down to how do you
enforce it. And again, we only enforce

420
00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:35,040
dogs when they run astray and cause a
problem. We don't go into people's

421
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:40,960
backyards and say ask if their dog has a
tag. So, I don't see a big difference

422
00:34:37,919 --> 00:34:43,760
between u the type of animal in this
instance.

423
00:34:42,879 --> 00:34:49,919
or pantro.
>> Yeah. The difference would be if we do

424
00:34:46,399 --> 00:34:55,599
if we do pick up a dog, we have a place
to go with it. We do pick up a cat, we

425
00:34:52,879 --> 00:35:00,000
have a place to go. If our staff are
authorized to collect that hand that's

426
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:05,280
running around,
>> we don't have a place to take it. But if

427
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:09,760
we know where it resides,
then we know where to return it to. So,

428
00:35:07,839 --> 00:35:14,160
I think it's really largely it's for the
benefit of the of the person who owns

429
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:18,079
the hands to to have that ability to get
it back. I don't think anybody wants to

430
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:22,079
let their hand get loose. Uh, and if it
does, I'm sure they want to get it back.

431
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:26,560
I think it would just provide staff with
that, oh, if it's in this part of town,

432
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:32,320
odds are we'll go here, it's not there,
go somewhere else. It makes it easy to

433
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:36,800
to come to a solution hopefully. And I
guess and see how Morris's comments are

434
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:43,680
relevant. I mean, like a lot of things,
I guess, you you request compliance

435
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:48,400
and you hope people comply, but in the
end, we're relying on people complying.

436
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:51,040
» Okay.
>> And I guess I don't know if you've had a

437
00:35:49,839 --> 00:35:55,839
chance to weigh in on your thoughts.
>> No, I would have I would have gone with

438
00:35:53,520 --> 00:36:01,520
uh moving forward with that modification
that you've put forward. Uh and that

439
00:35:59,359 --> 00:36:08,160
would just be three of us and three
three for that option and three for

440
00:36:05,359 --> 00:36:10,560
ending this pilot alto together and not
allowing chickens and then

441
00:36:10,039 --> 00:36:17,760
[clears throat]
council mess in has another opinion. So

442
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:23,200
it's it's defeated uh or just your
recommendation if none of the options

443
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:28,720
are accepted unfortunately.
>> So Mr. Chair, just so I'm clear,

444
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:34,800
this is the end of the program.
>> I didn't say that, Chief. I'm sorry.

445
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:42,880
There is an option, but uh that we could
continue the pilot as it is without your

446
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:47,760
advice and uh go forward and let uh the
next council decide that. But uh that's

447
00:36:45,599 --> 00:36:50,720
only if council chooses to do that
tonight. Council Magguire, last word to

448
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:54,960
you.
>> Thanks. So, my understanding from a

449
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:58,880
previous report we had on cat and dog
licensing that it was voluntary because

450
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:01,920
I remember asking that if it's not
voluntary and it's something that's not

451
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:07,200
enforced.
I don't think that's a good policy. But

452
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:12,160
if that's the precedent for that one,
then there's precedent for this one.

453
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:15,200
But, um, it's kind of I don't like these
things. We're going to do it, but we're

454
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:20,240
not going to enforce it. But, if that's
the precedent, that's the way it's being

455
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:23,040
proposed, then I can support that. But
>> yeah,

456
00:37:21,119 --> 00:37:29,040
» just for clarity, we enforce it if it's
a problem. So if a stray dog is running

457
00:37:26,240 --> 00:37:32,800
at large, we know where the dog goes. If
you don't have a tag, as the mayor

458
00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:36,560
indicated, your dog ends up in a pound
and you have to pay to get it out of the

459
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:42,720
pound.
So it it's about identifying the home of

460
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:45,599
that animal. And with a chicken, that's
a little more difficult. But if if

461
00:37:44,079 --> 00:37:50,880
everyone is registered, as the mayor
indicated, we know likely where it goes.

462
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:56,480
So So I just want to be clear, we we
have lots of bylaws that we don't fully

463
00:37:53,520 --> 00:38:01,680
enforce until it becomes problematic and
then we need to enforce it. So whether

464
00:37:58,720 --> 00:38:08,079
it's a hen or a dog, it it makes no
difference.

465
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:15,146
So it is a policy to register but
there's no consequence if you don't

466
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:16,000
unless that animal becomes a problem.
[clears throat]

467
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:20,640
Do
>> you have any thoughts?

468
00:38:18,720 --> 00:38:25,280
If it's not, if it's consistent, I'm
more Yeah, I can go with that. And I

469
00:38:23,359 --> 00:38:27,920
don't like it. But it's uh because I
think the difference with with this

470
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:31,680
situation is if you could had a neighbor
call in, nothing's wrong, then they're

471
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:36,079
still subject to it. Where if you've got
a neighbor with a dog in the backyard

472
00:38:33,359 --> 00:38:40,160
and somebody's complaining about it,
there's got to be it's a different

473
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:43,520
standard. But, uh, if the precedent's
for the dogs and the cats to do that,

474
00:38:41,839 --> 00:38:47,040
then I guess we can do it for the
chickens. I don't see the need for it

475
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:50,720
from the pilot, but uh if that's what it
takes to get this dealt with, we can.

476
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:53,920
» So, in summary, chief, because I know
you're [laughter] doing a lot of notes

477
00:38:53,119 --> 00:38:59,839
here.
>> All right. Uh it it appears that uh four

478
00:38:58,240 --> 00:39:08,320
members of council, which is the
majority, uh are supporting your uh

479
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:14,560
additional uh recommendation on adding
registration

480
00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:21,119
uh to the bylaw as you presented it.
with a modest fee.

481
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:25,520
» So, Mr. Chair, are we looking at a
simple one-time registration or annual

482
00:39:23,839 --> 00:39:28,720
registration?
Um, they do it once and that's it. Or

483
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:33,747
they're going to pay an annual
registration fee.

484
00:39:30,720 --> 00:39:35,760
» What do we do for dogs and cats?
[snorts]

485
00:39:33,839 --> 00:39:39,240
» They have to get a tag every year. Every
>> year, right?

486
00:39:43,359 --> 00:39:47,079
That works for me.

487
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:53,920
» That's required.
>> So if the whole point is to know where

488
00:39:51,680 --> 00:40:00,200
they are, uh once would be adequate for
that and that would reduce the burden on

489
00:39:55,440 --> 00:40:00,200
staff to uh to administer it.

490
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:09,839
» I'm sorry I missed that.
>> He said that uh he was his advice was

491
00:40:07,599 --> 00:40:17,280
that once uh
and done. One and done.

492
00:40:14,079 --> 00:40:19,599
And councelor Miller is saying annual.
>> Yeah.

493
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:24,880
» And the mayor
>> I I can support one and one and done. It

494
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:30,320
was a I don't I don't if he should be if
it's agree on.

495
00:40:26,720 --> 00:40:36,160
» So it's it's a one-time registration and
fee.

496
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:39,599
» And do we [clears throat] Okay. Um, what
kind of cost do you believe we would

497
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:44,520
incur
to cover a registration?

498
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:54,000
» Well,
if we're looking at

499
00:40:50,079 --> 00:40:58,079
um putting a dollar figure on potential
of having to do an inspection or go out,

500
00:40:56,000 --> 00:41:06,000
drive around, we're looking at staffing
time, vehicle use. Um, you had indicated

501
00:41:03,119 --> 00:41:09,599
$40 to $50 for a registration. I don't
think that's unreasonable.

502
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:14,079
Um,
and based on the previous report

503
00:41:12,079 --> 00:41:18,720
indicating that there was been seven or
eight calls,

504
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:21,920
um, I think that registration based on
the numbers that could be in town would

505
00:41:20,240 --> 00:41:29,760
be adequate.
>> I'll I'll I'll suggest $40 onetime fee.

506
00:41:27,359 --> 00:41:33,599
» Council McGlire, any thoughts? Yeah, I
just I want to make clear that the

507
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:37,040
registration we're not doing an
inspection as part of the reg

508
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:42,000
registration, but the um
>> do we know what the fee is for a dog or

509
00:41:38,720 --> 00:41:44,640
a cat tag?
>> Because the website's not working when I

510
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:48,160
try to pull it up.
>> Do you know the does anyone know the fee

511
00:41:46,319 --> 00:41:53,839
for the dog?
>> 10. It's We also have five hands or six

512
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:59,119
hands potentially. So, I'll just say $40
if we can get agreement on that.

513
00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:02,640
» It's reasonable. Yeah, it's a onetime
fee. So,

514
00:41:59,839 --> 00:42:06,640
» yeah.
>> Mr. Chair, if it if it provides some

515
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:11,599
comfort, we could come back with two
pieces of information. One is the best

516
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:17,520
practice on one time registration versus
annual, and we could do some market

517
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:21,839
research on on registration fee level.
So, we're not

518
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:27,520
making policy on the fly and setting
fees on the fly.

519
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:31,839
» I'm fine with that. Um, as much as I
would like to see this and I'm sure the

520
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:36,480
chief would like to see this tonight,
but uh,

521
00:42:35,119 --> 00:42:44,319
» yes, Council R.
>> I found the 2024 fee schedule online,

522
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:51,359
and it's uh, $15 spayed or neutered
before March 31st, 30 after, and $30 not

523
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:57,040
spayed or neutered, 60 after.
Uh, if they've got a chip, it's5 or $10.

524
00:42:55,119 --> 00:43:01,200
um
or 10 and $20 and cats are 15 or 30. So

525
00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:05,680
that
>> tell

526
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:10,160
» but I I would support Mayor Banko's $40
and end it tonight because I think that

527
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:12,800
seems to be within the realm of uh
what's fair.

528
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:19,240
» Are you going to require the chickens to
be chipped?

529
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:19,240
» Just asking. Sorry.

530
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:27,359
» I don't think that's best practice, but
I don't know.

531
00:43:24,240 --> 00:43:32,160
Uh but Sio Moore said that uh he makes a
good point. Coming [clears throat] up

532
00:43:29,119 --> 00:43:36,240
with numbers while we're here is not
always best practice and I would prefer

533
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:42,800
to have just staff come back with those
two pieces. But the the bylaw is going

534
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:46,960
to go ahead with those two uh additional
we'll have that information uh in the

535
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:50,160
near future.
>> So with our animal control bylaw, we've

536
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:53,599
got the bylaw and then we've got the
fees and charges schedule separate from

537
00:43:51,839 --> 00:43:57,200
that. So we can talk about the fee as
part of the fees and charges schedule

538
00:43:55,599 --> 00:43:59,520
but
>> approve the bylaw

539
00:43:58,079 --> 00:44:04,119
» tonight. We've got consensus to push the
bylaw forward.

540
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:04,119
» We do.

541
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:10,160
» Anything else?
>> So Mr. Chair, we we could uh do some

542
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:16,560
quick research and and come back before
this uh appears on the council agenda.

543
00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:21,200
» That would be great.
>> Thank you very much, Chief, for your

544
00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:27,200
patience and uh your hard work.
Appreciate it very much, Mr. Chair.

545
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:31,760
As councelor Miller said, this is the
first time we've done and not many

546
00:44:30,079 --> 00:44:37,839
municipal have done this. There's not a
lot of experts out there in this. So,

547
00:44:36,079 --> 00:44:43,839
getting it right is important and we'll
do the best we can. Thank you.

548
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:53,280
So, moving on. Uh, and that's why you're
still there is the SCBA Deacon report.

549
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:57,200
Thank you, Mr. Chair. So, my
recommendation tonight is that council

550
00:44:54,720 --> 00:45:03,280
pass resolution to award a contract 26
fire SCBA decon washer to AJ Stone

551
00:45:01,359 --> 00:45:06,640
Company Limited for the supplied
installation of one self-contained

552
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:11,359
breathing apparatus
uh decontamination washer uh in the

553
00:45:09,599 --> 00:45:15,760
amount of 41,838
plus the non-rebatable HST in the amount

554
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:22,560
of 73635
for a total of 42,574.

555
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:27,280
Uh as mentioned before uh the Ontario
government had put out grant money for

556
00:45:25,359 --> 00:45:33,760
cancer prevention initiatives in the
fire service. Uh originally the uh grant

557
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:37,760
application that come out was a $10
million grant for all of Ontario. Uh the

558
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:43,520
government turned around and increase
that grant funding up to $20 million. Um

559
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:48,160
the matrix that they used was based on
the number of stations you have in your

560
00:45:46,079 --> 00:45:53,680
jurisdiction. So unfortunately having
one station uh we had the minimum amount

561
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:58,880
uh we received the minimum amount uh a
year ago uh with the increase uh they

562
00:45:57,119 --> 00:46:04,880
doubled the amount just over doubled the
amount contributing towards uh cancer

563
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:10,800
prevention initiatives. So, last year we
received $8,23045

564
00:46:07,839 --> 00:46:20,240
that were used to purchase carbon fiber
uh particle flash hoods and firefighter

565
00:46:13,359 --> 00:46:24,640
gloves uh that uh don't uh retain the uh
contaminants from fires and chemical

566
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:29,920
situations.
This year, our grant funding that was

567
00:46:26,319 --> 00:46:37,119
approved, we received 19,62605.
Uh the intent was to put towards the uh

568
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:40,960
SCBA washer uh and the for
decontamination. We originally put in

569
00:46:39,359 --> 00:46:47,599
the budget that we were expecting to
receive 13,000. Unfortunately, we

570
00:46:43,599 --> 00:46:54,079
received uh $3,000 more than that. So
based on the the submissions from four

571
00:46:51,040 --> 00:47:00,800
different companies, uh AJ Stone came in
at 41,838.

572
00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:06,400
uh LEC Co. Incorporated committ 48,
Broen 48, and Canadian Safety Committee

573
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:09,200
144.
Uh after reviewing all submissions to

574
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:12,720
ensure compliance with the
specifications of pricing, AJ Stone met

575
00:47:11,359 --> 00:47:17,040
and exceeded the specification
requirements and was the lowest bidder.

576
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:22,960
Uh the approved capital budget for this
project was $51,000.

577
00:47:19,359 --> 00:47:26,160
Uh including the $16,000 of grant money,
which should I'm sorry, should read

578
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:32,960
19,000.
um of grant funding received. Um so we

579
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:36,920
uh we were far under budget with that uh
of approximately $12,51.70.

580
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:45,359
So the recommendation is to accept the
lowest bidder, proceed with project uh

581
00:47:42,240 --> 00:47:50,640
and option two is for council to uh not
accept the quotation uh and direct staff

582
00:47:47,839 --> 00:47:53,440
to reissue a request for quotation.
>> Thank you very much, Chief. Mayor

583
00:47:52,240 --> 00:48:00,480
Panker, you have a question.
>> Yeah, thanks Chief. Um, how have we been

584
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:06,079
cleaning SCBA equipment before this up
till now?

585
00:48:01,839 --> 00:48:12,160
» Through the chair with a hose uh and uh
um special soap that we apply to it. Um

586
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:16,960
it's it's a very lengthy process to do
that doing unit by unit by unit. Uh

587
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:20,640
these units depending on the amount of
contaminants that are contained in it,

588
00:48:19,119 --> 00:48:25,680
the machine will either run for 2
minutes or 12 minutes. 12 minutes is a

589
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:30,160
maximum. You can hold four units in
there at once, the total unit, the

590
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:35,040
harness, everything, mask, uh, and then
12 minutes later, they're all done. Um,

591
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:38,880
it also has a filter that picks up all
the particulate and, uh, any

592
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:41,359
contaminants that are in there, uh, so
they're not washed away into the waste

593
00:48:40,559 --> 00:48:46,480
water.
>> And is there an annual maintenance cost

594
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:48,319
or and a warranty that comes with it,
too?

595
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:53,599
» There is a 2-year warranty that comes
with it. Um, and there is no annual uh,

596
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:57,040
service requirement for this unit. Okay,
I certainly support the recommendation.

597
00:48:54,880 --> 00:49:00,480
I think we owe it to our our staff to
ensure that the equipment they use and

598
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:05,119
they're going to provide all the
production they need. So,

599
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:09,920
» I'm seeing a thumbs up around the table.
My one question and it's more for the

600
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:14,480
CEO is in these reports I'm going to
assume this is a Canadian company but is

601
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:18,640
it possible when we're doing these
tenders now to noting that the

602
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:23,760
legislation both federally and
proincially has changed that we add a

603
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:27,760
line in our reports to council that's
saying that we're compliant or that it's

604
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:32,160
Canadian sourced or something that would
be nice for me to know when I because

605
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:37,040
each time I'm going to ask is this a
Canadian supplier?

606
00:49:34,559 --> 00:49:42,960
uh an astute question so thank you for
asking it. Uh so you'll recall that the

607
00:49:39,359 --> 00:49:47,520
buy Ontario legislation passed uh we uh
will be bringing back an amendment to

608
00:49:45,119 --> 00:49:52,960
our procurement bylaw to incorporate the
the language and the requirements and at

609
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:57,920
that point we will start uh reporting
out on the criteria that we have to

610
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:59,200
assess when we look at a procurement
like this.

611
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:02,720
» Terrific.
>> Um but I think the chief might know the

612
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:05,760
answer to that question. This unit is
made in Peterbr, Ontario.

613
00:50:04,240 --> 00:50:11,359
» Wonderful.
Thank you very much, Chief. And uh

614
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:16,000
thanks for that report.
And not going anywhere, of course. Uh

615
00:50:14,240 --> 00:50:21,119
Chief Jboro is going to talk about the
new fire tanker contract.

616
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:24,480
Thank you, Mr. Chair. The recommendation
this evening is that council will

617
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:28,079
approve the recommendation of the fire
chief to award the contract for the

618
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:31,280
manufacturing of one tanker apparatus to
Fort Gary fire trucks in the amount of

619
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:37,040
820,000
plus the non-rebailable HST.

620
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:44,079
If this award is done within 30 days of
the closing date of the tender

621
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:48,880
um we it'll be held at the 820,000. But
it's after that due to the engine

622
00:50:46,319 --> 00:50:54,720
changes uh in all vehicles the price
goes up by $30,000 to $849302

623
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:59,760
plus the non-rebatable
uh HST.

624
00:50:57,359 --> 00:51:03,280
On May 27th 26 tender document was
posted on the bids and tenders for the

625
00:51:01,359 --> 00:51:07,599
replacement of one tanker apparatus. The
tender package included two sections uh

626
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:12,000
a municipal compliance section and
detailed specification section. As part

627
00:51:10,240 --> 00:51:16,480
of the specification requirements, all
instant biders were required to provide

628
00:51:13,839 --> 00:51:20,400
proof of insurance, ISO certification,
professional engineering certificate,

629
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:25,119
welding certificates, fire apparatus
manufacturing association certificate,

630
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:29,839
uh, and a licensed motor vehicle sales
permit. Further, vehicle must be

631
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:34,160
compliant under the ULCS515
requirement for fire apparatus. All

632
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:38,559
interested bidders were required to
request a copy of the package in order

633
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:43,920
to submit a proposal. Uh on the closing
date there was one submission. Uh we

634
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:50,079
reviewed the bids and tenders. There was
four companies that had looked and

635
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:56,160
pulled the tender document uh to review
it. Uh however, only one submitted uh a

636
00:51:53,839 --> 00:52:00,800
proposal.
During the budget deliberations, council

637
00:51:58,079 --> 00:52:06,160
had approved the $200,000 in the 2025
budget and approved an additional

638
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:10,880
550,000 in 2026. Uh the terms and
conditions of the payment for the tanker

639
00:52:08,079 --> 00:52:16,480
if approved is 20% deposit to secure the
order. 100% payment of the cabin chassis

640
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:22,319
upon arrival at the manufacturer uh
which totals 479,846

641
00:52:19,359 --> 00:52:27,680
leaving a balance of 270,1
153 with the balance to be paid upon

642
00:52:25,119 --> 00:52:32,480
delivery. Therefore, the additional cost
over and above the budgeted amount uh

643
00:52:30,319 --> 00:52:37,359
could be placed in the 2027 capital
budget or be financed from the capital

644
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:40,319
reserve. Fort Gary met and exceeded all
requirements listed in the

645
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:44,160
specifications and has provided payment
options and payment requirements. At the

646
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:49,119
time of tendering, all prices have been
based on the current exchange rate and

647
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:54,720
tariffs. The above pricing is firm for
30 days from the date of the tender.

648
00:52:52,480 --> 00:53:02,319
the budget and financial implications as
indicated uh that the additional over

649
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:07,280
budget amount of 84,739
uh can be either taken from the reserve

650
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:15,040
or carried over into the next fiscal
year. Um my recommendation is to approve

651
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:22,000
the report as written uh and provide
Fort Gary Firet Trucks uh the award the

652
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:26,720
attender which is a Canadian company.
>> Uh Counc.

653
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:29,760
» Yeah. Uh do we have an idea of how much
it's going to cost to renovate the

654
00:53:27,839 --> 00:53:35,200
garage for the truck?
>> We do and thank you for that question

655
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:42,640
through the chair. We had put aside in
the 2026 budget uh $125,000

656
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:46,640
based on a previous estimate uh from a
contractor.

657
00:53:44,319 --> 00:53:53,359
We did go to tender um and put the
tender on bids and tender looking for uh

658
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:57,760
companies to uh provide pricing on that.
Uh there were 17 companies that pulled

659
00:53:55,200 --> 00:54:03,440
the document. Two companies uh provided
a quote. Uh the first company provided a

660
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:09,839
quote of 400 just over 400,000 for the
addition. The second company provided a

661
00:54:06,079 --> 00:54:15,280
quote of 200 just over $200,000.
Significant difference uh uh in two

662
00:54:12,240 --> 00:54:19,839
quotes. Um and certainly uh the one
contractor is with us this evening just

663
00:54:17,119 --> 00:54:25,520
to uh uh to see what council's decision
was going to be on the vehicle. Um the

664
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:31,359
$200,000 is not unreasonable. There is
no special um design that was done to

665
00:54:28,720 --> 00:54:37,040
the building. We had an engineer draw it
out, stamp it, uh provide that to all

666
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:40,720
prospective biders. Uh we're looking at
a wall or roof and extending taking the

667
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:46,000
door off that's currently on there and
moving it to the end of the building.

668
00:54:42,720 --> 00:54:50,720
Again, the vehicle, if approved, is
going to be up to 18 months or more for

669
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:55,440
delivery. So again, that will be
council's decision as to whether or not

670
00:54:53,599 --> 00:55:00,079
uh we proceed with the building
renovation at this time. Uh that report

671
00:54:58,240 --> 00:55:03,760
was drafted, but it was pulled from
tonight's meeting.

672
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:11,119
» Okay. You got a followup?
>> Yeah. So I'll just uh like we're going

673
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:15,680
from 750 to well over a million. Now, uh
my preference would be to reach out to

674
00:55:13,359 --> 00:55:20,240
Monu and get a costing for an automatic
aid agreement. what the guaranteed

675
00:55:17,839 --> 00:55:26,880
response time could be with their pumper
and how much that would cost or on a

676
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:30,079
fivey year or 10 year basis.
>> Uh councelor Brennan.

677
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:37,920
» Yeah, I I disagree with that. I think
that uh this is an essential piece of

678
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:46,160
equipment and uh and uh depend on monu
coming in with that I think is uh is um

679
00:55:42,319 --> 00:55:54,000
risky to say the least. Um,
I think that the uh I guess the question

680
00:55:50,240 --> 00:55:58,640
to you, Chief, is for the adjustments to
the building, what's the timeline to get

681
00:55:55,920 --> 00:56:02,880
that done? You mentioned it was I think
18 months to receive the pumper

682
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:08,000
» from the tanker, correct?
>> Yeah, the tank tanker and then for the

683
00:56:05,359 --> 00:56:10,799
renovations,
>> the time frame to complete the

684
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:14,480
renovations
um that we didn't have a timeline in

685
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:18,720
there. timeline wasn't indicated, but
certainly uh it was an indication that

686
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:23,040
they could start the project this year
either now or in the fall depending if

687
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:29,599
the contract was awarded.
>> Okay. So, and we we set aside 100,000

688
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:36,079
and we're short another 100, right? So,
I would I would

689
00:56:32,319 --> 00:56:41,839
prefer to do the building prior to the
vehicle being delivered and just to go

690
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:46,079
ahead with that and then uh whatever we
need to budget for next year, put it in

691
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:48,400
there.
That's my

692
00:56:46,799 --> 00:56:50,480
» the building isn't on tonight's agenda,
but I know

693
00:56:49,119 --> 00:56:53,280
» I understand. Yeah. So, that's part of
it,

694
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:55,119
» but definitely you're uh supporting the
chief's recommendation on the truck.

695
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:56,720
Good.
>> Yes.

696
00:56:55,599 --> 00:57:00,880
» Thank you. Yeah.
>> Uh other thoughts on the truck?

697
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:05,200
Councelor Quinn has given a nod thumbs
up and councelor Robinson and councelor

698
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:09,520
Miller coming.
>> Um so you know we already made the

699
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:16,240
decision on the truck and and yes it's
over. Um but there is a suggested way to

700
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:23,760
um to compensate for that and I think
the building um could be uh started in

701
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:27,920
late fall but budgeted in 2027. And um I
think both of those overages are

702
00:57:25,839 --> 00:57:32,400
manageable. So I'd support going ahead
with the truck and look forward to

703
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:35,839
seeing the report on the building.
>> I see it.

704
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:38,880
» Uh
I mean expensive. There's no question

705
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:41,280
about it.
>> Absolutely.

706
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:48,160
» And uh I mean we've been down this road
before. We've replaced I guess three

707
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:52,480
major pieces of apparatus in the last 12
15 years somewhere in that area I guess.

708
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:56,799
Um,
and every time it goes in, the price is

709
00:57:54,400 --> 00:58:00,079
always higher than we ever [laughter]
anticipated. But I guess the reality is

710
00:57:58,319 --> 00:58:03,040
these are, even though [clears throat]
it's a piece of equipment which would

711
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:09,440
not go out to every call, there are
parts of town that do not have hydrants

712
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:13,839
services. And so this would be needed at
mutual aid situation. I guess when we

713
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:17,839
had the automatic a with lakes it was
probably more frequently that way in a

714
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:23,280
mutual aid situation with our rural
partners would be called upon I guess to

715
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:26,559
be used and the lifespan is 30 years
>> correct

716
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:30,960
the through the chair the recommendation
from the fire underwriters is 20 years

717
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:34,799
but uh with the maintenance schedule
that we currently have and obviously you

718
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:41,119
can see the vehicle it's in the garage
um well-maintained wellkept

719
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:45,680
um repairs are are done immediately uh
you can extend the life uh of the

720
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:51,040
vehicle. And certainly to put into
context, the app the aerial apparatus

721
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:56,880
that's downstairs
uh when purchased 12 years ago was $1.4

722
00:58:53,920 --> 00:59:01,920
million. Peter Fire Department just
ordered the identical truck with the

723
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:07,040
same drawing. It is now $4.6
million.

724
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:13,440
Um so um as we move forward with
vehicles, we can't get away from

725
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:18,319
um that unbelievable, in my opinion,
unacceptable rising cost. Uh but again,

726
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:26,480
when you're looking at an emergency
piece of apparatus that has an impact on

727
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:30,640
one life or one building, um I could not
stand here in good conscious and put a

728
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:35,440
price tag on that.
>> Thank you. uh you have consensus to move

729
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:40,720
ahead with the uh your with that tender
award that tender uh and uh that

730
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:42,559
building report will come back in the
near future I'm sure.

731
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:46,000
» Correct.
>> Okay. Thank you.

732
00:59:43,599 --> 00:59:52,640
» Thank you.
>> Uh director McMun going to talk to us

733
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:56,760
about another contract for Ashevol
concrete milling and paving.

734
01:00:04,559 --> 01:00:12,960
No, I'm sorry. That's not yet. I missed
you on 9.4. It's the new transmission

735
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:16,296
name. Thanks.
>> Yeah, thank you, Mr. Chair. Test.

736
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:18,799
» You had me wondering there for a second.
[laughter]

737
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:23,599
» Um, yeah. So, thanks for the
introduction to the report. So staff uh

738
01:00:20,799 --> 01:00:30,000
so the report this evening uh is titled
award of contract 26PW-010

739
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:34,000
new trans transmission main phase 1. The
second part of the approval or the

740
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:36,799
recommendation sorry is the approval
request for engineering services

741
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:41,119
associated with the contract
administration and inspection services

742
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:45,599
for phase one.
So staff are recommending that council

743
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:49,200
award contract 26PW-010
for phase one of the new transmission

744
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:54,559
main and sewer separation project to
Ingmanson Construction Limited in the

745
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:58,079
amount just shy of 2.5 million and
authorize an additional agreement with

746
01:00:56,160 --> 01:01:03,119
EVB engineering for contract
administration and inspection services

747
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:07,839
valued at $171,445
excluding HST.

748
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:12,640
Uh this particular project is the first
f phase of a a larger multi-year

749
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:17,040
infrastructure program designed to
improve the town's long-term potable

750
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:20,799
water supply and fire protection
capacity.

751
01:01:18,559 --> 01:01:25,760
The overall initiative will establish a
continuous 16-in transmission water man

752
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:30,880
connecting the existing trunk water man
on Chamber Street at Empress Avenue to

753
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:35,280
the new elevated water tower at 12
Airare Drive across from the public

754
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:41,119
works garage while also upgrading
associated municipal infrastructure.

755
01:01:38,559 --> 01:01:44,319
That would be the um uh the sewer
separation portion of the project. So,

756
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:51,119
think of it as full reconstruction
through that roughly 1.9 km corridor.

757
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:54,559
Phase one of the works will include
construction of a new 16-inch

758
01:01:52,799 --> 01:01:59,839
transmission water man from the new
water tower to RTO Avenue South at

759
01:01:56,559 --> 01:02:04,880
Lauren Street. Construct a new 8-in
distribution water man on Lauren Street.

760
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:10,640
Isolated sanitary sewer repairs on RTO
Avenue South. So, we're replacing a

761
01:02:06,559 --> 01:02:16,000
portion of a existing sewer combined
sewer on RTO Avenue North.

762
01:02:14,079 --> 01:02:19,920
um
replacing it this year because there the

763
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:22,960
the pipe is compromised and we we uh
having a hard time sleeping at night

764
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:28,400
hope holding hoping that it holds
together. Um so we've designed the

765
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:32,880
street uh so what will be phase two of
the project such that we won't need to

766
01:02:31,119 --> 01:02:36,240
change that pipe again. We change it now
and then when we roll into phase two

767
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:40,319
we'll just continue on with that with
that sewer.

768
01:02:38,079 --> 01:02:44,000
Um the project will also include a
development of a multi-use pathway uh

769
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:46,960
between airare drive and Lauren Street.
So that's the easement that runs in

770
01:02:45,359 --> 01:02:50,960
behind the bottling plant making its way
from Lauren Street over over to the

771
01:02:48,799 --> 01:02:54,640
tower. And then of course full
reconstruction of Lauren Street between

772
01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:59,599
RTO Avenue South and the easement.
Sorry, I meant I said Rita Avenue North

773
01:02:56,319 --> 01:03:05,920
there. I meant RTO Avenue South earlier.
Uh the this particular tender closed um

774
01:03:02,319 --> 01:03:10,400
just last week uh on June 29th, 2026 and
attracted four qualified bids. After

775
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:14,079
review by town staff and EVB
Engineering, IMG Igman Construction

776
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:19,280
Limited was confirmed as the lowest
compliant bidder at approximately 2.5

777
01:03:16,319 --> 01:03:24,000
million, nearly 100,000 lower than the
next closest bid.

778
01:03:21,839 --> 01:03:28,480
EBB engineering also confirmed that the
bid falls within the project pre uh

779
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:33,119
tender budget estimate and recommended
award of the contract.

780
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:37,440
As we know, this broader project is
supported through the province's health

781
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:42,240
and safety water stream funding program,
which will fund up to 73% of eligible

782
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:47,520
project costs to a maximum contribution
of $13.3 million.

783
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:51,440
engineering costs associated with EVB
services are also eligible for the same

784
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:54,400
funding and they would have been
represented when we put our application

785
01:03:53,039 --> 01:04:00,720
in in the first place. There was a
portion in that application for contract

786
01:03:57,359 --> 01:04:03,839
admin and inspection.
Um,

787
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:07,839
yes. So, they're also eligible for the
same funding, reducing the town's share

788
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:14,079
of the proposed engineering services
contract to approximately $46,000 290

789
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:17,520
for sorry, $46,290,
excluding tax.

790
01:04:16,079 --> 01:04:21,680
Subject to council approval,
construction is expected to begin in

791
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:26,319
early August 2026
with sanitary sew repairs substantially

792
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:31,119
complete by August 31st, 2026. That's
the section on that I spoke of earlier

793
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:37,359
on RTO Avenue South. and the remainder
of phase phase one to be substantially

794
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:40,240
completed by December 1st, 2026.
The project aligns with council

795
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:44,720
strategic priority of investing in
infrastructure to support community

796
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:48,400
growth and service reliability.
So, with that, I'm happy to take any

797
01:04:47,119 --> 01:04:52,160
questions, but I just wanted to note
that this is a word of contract here

798
01:04:50,079 --> 01:04:55,119
this evening. Um, time is a little bit
of the essence. I'd like to get shovels

799
01:04:53,680 --> 01:05:01,359
in the ground on this project and get
get rolling on it. So, happy to take any

800
01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:03,440
questions. Councelor
McGuire.

801
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:08,880
» Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you,
Director McMahon. Um, good pricing and

802
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:13,280
good responses to So, that's really nice
to see. I'm wondering when, uh, when

803
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:18,079
they do the design work, can we ask them
to try to optimize the utility holes so

804
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:21,280
they're not in the drivable path.
There's a lot of intersections in town

805
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:26,079
where there's utility holes, right? you
know, if you're turning a corner at an

806
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:29,359
intersection or um there if you you
know, if you look after it snows where

807
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:32,559
the tires generally go, they put the
utility holes there. I'm wondering is

808
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:34,880
that something we can ask them as it's
part of the design?

809
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:40,240
» Not at this stage, not for this
particular phase, but

810
01:05:36,799 --> 01:05:44,000
» um if I could through the chair, the the
one thing that we need to be cognizant

811
01:05:41,599 --> 01:05:46,400
of particularly when we're um you know,
Smith Falls being in the Canadian

812
01:05:45,359 --> 01:05:50,960
Shield, we know we're going to be
dealing with rock. often more than not,

813
01:05:48,559 --> 01:05:56,480
we try to utilize existing trenches,
rock trenches, so that uh so we can

814
01:05:53,440 --> 01:06:00,799
mitigate costs on these projects. Um I
understand what you're saying. You know,

815
01:05:57,839 --> 01:06:05,039
you're driving in the driving lane and
you know, you'll come upon a manhole

816
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:10,160
that might have a a depression in that
frame and cover and and you feel a bump.

817
01:06:07,839 --> 01:06:14,400
Um
my sense is with new construction that

818
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:18,720
that risk should be mitigated with
installing it right in the first place

819
01:06:16,319 --> 01:06:22,799
if that makes sense. So quite often more
than not, it comes down to um you know

820
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:26,000
the vertical adjustment of those
manholes, the frames and covers on top

821
01:06:24,559 --> 01:06:29,760
that being addressed at paving
operations to make sure that there's a

822
01:06:27,359 --> 01:06:34,880
nice transition through that structure
as opposed to moving things within the

823
01:06:31,599 --> 01:06:40,799
roadway corridor to get the sewer uh the
sewer lines out of the traveled lane.

824
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:46,079
So I do understand the question. This
phase is already designed. Um

825
01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:49,760
many [clears throat] many times often
there uh there's a lot of infrastructure

826
01:06:47,839 --> 01:06:56,480
within the roadway and we're trying to
shoehorn a bunch of different pipes in

827
01:06:51,440 --> 01:07:00,720
the ground. That is definitely um
evident in this project where we're for

828
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:07,039
for much of the project we're
incorporating a 16-in water man on top

829
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:10,960
of a an 8 in distribution main plus a
sanitary sewer plus a storm sewer.

830
01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:16,000
Currently, right now, we're running with
a a single pipe system, the combined

831
01:07:13,039 --> 01:07:20,086
sewer. Um, so I'll have to say there's a
lot more linear infrastructure under the

832
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:21,839
under the ground.
[clears throat]

833
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:25,280
» Although, just all that other linear
infrastructure staying put, the sewer

834
01:07:23,599 --> 01:07:28,480
and the
is that that's the limitation.

835
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:31,520
» Sorry,
>> sorry. All the other infrastructure

836
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:36,559
staying put in the ground. All we're
updating at this point is the water

837
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:40,000
manes. So the service mains or the
service lines and the sewer lines are

838
01:07:38,559 --> 01:07:44,880
staying but
>> no if I if I could through the through

839
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:49,680
the chair. Um no this project is
effectively uh a full reconstruction.

840
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:53,119
» So new services to property line not
indifferent to a phase one and phase two

841
01:07:51,599 --> 01:07:59,200
of George Street. So it'll be the same
idea. Uh the only thing that we're able

842
01:07:55,760 --> 01:08:02,799
to not have to change in phase one would
be the sewer that runs down the ement

843
01:08:01,359 --> 01:08:06,799
because it's in good condition. and it's
not that old. It's a it's a concrete

844
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:11,520
pipe uh in really really good condition.
So, we're not touching that at all.

845
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:14,880
We're just replacing the um the trunk
water main distribution pipe that we

846
01:08:13,039 --> 01:08:19,440
have down through that ement.
>> So, so Lauren Street from the easement

847
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:23,279
down to Rita Avenue South will be full
reconstruction and then the balance of

848
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:26,239
the projects uh next year and the year
after will be full reconstruction as

849
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:31,040
well.
>> Mayor Panko,

850
01:08:27,440 --> 01:08:36,239
» thanks for uh two questions I guess. one
um we've done a lot of the contract

851
01:08:33,199 --> 01:08:41,279
administration inspection internally for
past projects and this one you're

852
01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:45,279
looking at hiring outside is it using
EVB

853
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:50,960
is there I know a lot of the cost is
covered so 27% covered by by

854
01:08:48,799 --> 01:08:56,080
is it primarily a funding situation or
workload situation or

855
01:08:53,839 --> 01:09:02,799
» yes through the chair it's a little bit
a little bit of both um right now my

856
01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:07,520
staff We're focused on getting things uh
surveyed, getting things ready for

857
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:11,040
design for uh I would call our own
capital project for next year, which

858
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:15,440
we're focused on James Street. Uh
that'll be the next on on the books for

859
01:09:13,199 --> 01:09:18,560
uh full reconstruction. So there's
there's a tremendous amount of work to

860
01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:23,520
do there over the over the course of the
balance of the summer and fall. Um so

861
01:09:21,279 --> 01:09:28,000
that's what we're focused on. So it
always was the intention with this

862
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:37,520
particular project to use contract or
sorry uh consulting services for um for

863
01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:42,880
contract in and inspection for
for phase one and then the subsequent

864
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:46,960
phases of this project notably because
it is it is largely funded and it does

865
01:09:45,359 --> 01:09:51,279
take the pressure off staff to focus on
other assignments that we have. Uh

866
01:09:49,199 --> 01:09:57,120
second question it just sort of takes me
back to takes us back to last Thursday

867
01:09:53,520 --> 01:10:01,600
and the storm system that hit and we had
a lot of localized flooding in town and

868
01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:05,840
uh again it's how do you prepare for
systems like that that come through but

869
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:09,760
understanding
um they're not that infrequent anymore

870
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:13,760
and they may not hit all of town at a
time but they we do get heavy systems

871
01:10:11,199 --> 01:10:18,560
coming through. So when it comes to our
our storm sewer, I mean I suppose an

872
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:25,199
engineering standard based on the
formulas how how big a pipe should be,

873
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:29,280
but I guess and and looking forward
um should we be looking at making these

874
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:34,800
pipes just a little bit larger to be
able to handle the greater loads that

875
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:38,080
are coming in the those 1% storms that
seem to happen far more frequently than

876
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:42,239
one every hundred storms.
>> Yeah, thanks thanks for the question. So

877
01:10:40,239 --> 01:10:49,280
with with storm server design, we we
design to a a 1 in5ear storm and that's

878
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:54,080
standard MECP uh ministry guidelines. Um
the short answer to that question is if

879
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:57,840
we had to design for uh a 100redyear
storm or or something in excess of a

880
01:10:56,080 --> 01:11:02,800
100red-year storm, which I would argue
we were subject to last Thursday.

881
01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:07,360
Anecdotally, I've heard reports of as
much as 100 millimeters of rain in a 45m

882
01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:13,440
minute period. It came down hard and
fast and um we certainly felt the brunt

883
01:11:10,480 --> 01:11:18,880
of that with areas such as Lumbard
Street down by Abel and Aberdine that

884
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:22,719
were were completely flooded. Um over on
Hershey Drive at Queen Street was the

885
01:11:21,199 --> 01:11:27,440
the ditches were all flooded and over
overflowing on the road down in that

886
01:11:24,239 --> 01:11:32,480
area. So the short answer is you would
you would never be able to get a pipe in

887
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:38,159
the ground large enough um to handle to
handle those flows. So, anything over

888
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:42,960
and above a five-year storm would be uh
the the design would contemplate

889
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:48,159
overland flow. Um so, you think of a
roadway that has um you know, a 6-in

890
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:53,760
curb face along the the edge of roadway.
The roadway in itself will will hold a

891
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:57,760
tremendous amount of water as well. Um,
and if we're looking at like a new

892
01:11:55,520 --> 01:12:02,480
subdivision design, that's why we
incorporate side and rear yard swell

893
01:12:00,239 --> 01:12:07,199
systems in in uh those new subdivisions
as well as either retention or detention

894
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:13,760
ponds as part of the overall storm water
management system. Um, but I will note

895
01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:16,800
with last Thursday storm and you know
the the amount of roadway flooding that

896
01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:24,320
we had around town, we had a number of
reported um sewer backups throughout

897
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:27,920
town. uh primarily in areas that maybe
perhaps don't have a storm sewer network

898
01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:33,120
and and they're subject to a combined
sewer on their street.

899
01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:36,880
Um you know, the the pipes simply can't
handle that volume of of water when

900
01:12:35,199 --> 01:12:42,400
you're mixing mixing it with sanitary
flow at the same time. So um it's going

901
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:46,080
to find the path of least resistance and
absent people having backflow preventers

902
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:51,840
on their service laterals, it's
unfortunately going to end up in some

903
01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:55,760
cases in people's basements. Um, the
message for for people at home that

904
01:12:53,360 --> 01:13:00,080
we've been that we've been talking to is
uh, you know, first and foremost to

905
01:12:58,159 --> 01:13:06,080
notify your insurance company to to
initiate a a claim. Um,

906
01:13:04,239 --> 01:13:10,320
yeah. So, we're we're still dealing and
fielding a a lot of those calls kind of

907
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:12,960
as we speak. So,
>> well, I guess the question really goes

908
01:13:11,440 --> 01:13:17,520
if it's if we're only planning for one
and five year and I mean, how much extra

909
01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:23,679
cost would there be to put a bigger pipe
in there that accommodate

910
01:13:20,239 --> 01:13:26,480
especially understanding it it there's
potentially new development that could

911
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:32,000
happen in that area of town in the
future and a lot of side a lot of I

912
01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:37,520
guess uh storm feed probably would feed
into this as well. So I don't know if

913
01:13:34,719 --> 01:13:41,440
it's I I know it's a it's a situation
where you can't repair for everything

914
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:45,280
but you can accommodate more does it
make sense consider that I know there's

915
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:49,840
only a small section being repaired
right now but I'm thinking longer term

916
01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:54,719
when the pipe search run up you know to
uh is that consideration but

917
01:13:52,719 --> 01:13:58,159
for future discussion
>> yeah it is I mean we could sit here and

918
01:13:56,480 --> 01:14:01,679
talk technicalities all all night and
I'd start losing people that are are

919
01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:04,719
queued in on the call the call here this
evening so yeah

920
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:06,960
» okay thank you Councelor Quinn, did you
want to come in?

921
01:14:05,440 --> 01:14:12,080
» Yeah, I'm going to throw something in
here totally off of all this. What? We

922
01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:17,760
don't need to make a decision tonight,
but is there not product that we could

923
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:22,560
be using rather than ash fault, rather
than covering everything with a solid

924
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:28,360
cover? Is there not product that we
could start to think about using where

925
01:14:24,239 --> 01:14:28,360
the water could go through?

926
01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:33,840
And and I don't need an answer tonight.
Let's just

927
01:14:32,239 --> 01:14:37,520
think of it. Well, well,
>> just a thought.

928
01:14:35,199 --> 01:14:45,840
» Hold that thought then. Thank you.
>> Um I'm people are in a general agreement

929
01:14:41,199 --> 01:14:52,960
with proceeding with this tender. Um
excellent report goes up and it's nice

930
01:14:48,159 --> 01:14:59,040
to get this uh phase going
and uh 9.5. Now we can talk about

931
01:14:56,560 --> 01:15:03,120
Ashwalt concrete milling and paving.
>> Yes, thank you Mr. Chair. Uh so with

932
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:07,920
this particular report, staff are
recommending the council award contract

933
01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:15,120
26-PW-005
for the town's 2026 Ashvalt concrete

934
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:20,719
milling and paving uh coined as ACMP.
You'll hear me talk about um so award

935
01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:24,120
that program to uh Drock Paving in the
amount of $866,54412

936
01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:31,920
excluding HST.
Uh the project was publicly tendered and

937
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:37,360
uh this particular project only
attracted two biders um with Drock

938
01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:43,760
Paving submitting the lowest compliant
bid approximately 299 and a half

939
01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:50,000
thousand lower than the next bidder. So
the annual ACMP program focuses on

940
01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:54,800
roadway re sorry roadway rehabilitation,
aphalt resurfacing, concrete curb and

941
01:15:52,480 --> 01:15:58,400
sidewalk repairs, accessibility
improvements,

942
01:15:56,719 --> 01:16:01,199
and related infrastructure upgrades
throughout the throughout the

943
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:04,400
municipality.
Major works this year include the

944
01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:09,360
rehabilitation of Percy Street between
Pearl Street and Broadview Avenue,

945
01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:15,040
rehabilitation and sidewalk improvements
on Canal Street. So between Becka Street

946
01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:20,640
and the new uh Timber Bridge,
new sidewalks on Union Street and Ferrer

947
01:16:17,199 --> 01:16:26,560
Drive. So Union Street will be the let
me see the the the west side of Union

948
01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:31,360
Street. um
uh from Cornelia down to

949
01:16:30,159 --> 01:16:34,320
uh I forget what the name of the street
is, but a part partway down before we

950
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:38,640
hit the VIA station. And there's an
Ashevolt sidewalk from that point on to

951
01:16:36,239 --> 01:16:42,320
the uh to the VIA station.
So, currently there's no sidewalk on

952
01:16:40,159 --> 01:16:46,000
that side.
>> Uh doing some work over on Fer Drive as

953
01:16:44,480 --> 01:16:50,080
well. There's some areas over there that
are missing sidewalks, some old

954
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:55,600
dilapitated Ashewell sidewalk that we're
going to rehab as well. and then uh some

955
01:16:53,280 --> 01:16:59,199
localized curbing repairs on Aberdine
Avenue to try to address some of the uh

956
01:16:57,440 --> 01:17:05,440
the water issues that we have over on
Aberdine in in a certain area.

957
01:17:02,239 --> 01:17:09,360
Um we're looking at uh pavement some
pave some isolated pavement

958
01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:14,560
rehabilitation on Becka Street North and
James Street. So these are

959
01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:18,960
uh significant enough uh areas that
we're going to uh mill and pave. Just a

960
01:17:17,040 --> 01:17:22,560
a quick kind of dirty overlay if that
makes sense. They're heavily heavily

961
01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:27,600
pledoled.
Uh and then the replacement of sidewalk

962
01:17:25,440 --> 01:17:30,640
uh that was removed over at the former
water treatment plant as part of that

963
01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:34,239
project. We're going to reinstitute that
sidewalk over on that side. And I will

964
01:17:32,719 --> 01:17:37,520
note that that money is being funded
through the insurance claim. So that

965
01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:40,800
money will come back to the uh to this
program.

966
01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:43,120
» Yeah.
>> Thank you. Uh councelor Brennan, you

967
01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:48,640
wanted to
>> Yep. Thank you. Uh I love this. It's um

968
01:17:46,719 --> 01:17:53,199
when we do the the road work because
it's people see it's their tax dollars

969
01:17:50,719 --> 01:17:58,640
at work and and I always look forward to
this report. I had a couple questions

970
01:17:54,800 --> 01:18:03,440
though. Um I noticed on Percy Street
uh you've got on here some speed humps.

971
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:06,800
» Sorry.
>> Some speed humps on on the Percy Street.

972
01:18:06,480 --> 01:18:10,800
» Yeah.
>> So I imagine that's near the school or

973
01:18:10,159 --> 01:18:14,159
» Exactly.
>> Okay. So there was some uh

974
01:18:12,719 --> 01:18:17,679
» yeah there's sorry through the chair
community safety zone over in that area.

975
01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:20,480
So we're looking at speed mitigation. So
it'll be

976
01:18:18,719 --> 01:18:23,760
» Ashvalt speed hump similar to what we
have on Herald Street.

977
01:18:21,679 --> 01:18:27,840
» Yeah. And I I know you guys uh
prioritize what we're going to do every

978
01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:32,560
year. And uh I'm always going to get
questions about this street or that

979
01:18:30,159 --> 01:18:40,320
street. So, there's two streets that I
had in mind and I had flagged before and

980
01:18:35,679 --> 01:18:45,280
one is John Street uh which leads up to
um

981
01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:50,800
Chimo and so there's no sidewalks there
and it's a feeder to the school and then

982
01:18:47,679 --> 01:18:53,440
there's a the street right in front of
Chimo is

983
01:18:52,960 --> 01:19:00,000
» Ross
>> Ross. So, and there's no sidewalk there.

984
01:18:55,840 --> 01:19:07,040
So, um hopefully that's on the radar. Uh
John Street is not in good condition all

985
01:19:02,159 --> 01:19:12,560
the way down to Broadview. Um and so uh
that's that's one. And then my other old

986
01:19:09,920 --> 01:19:17,520
nugget is Allen Street in Margaret. Um
because um I've gotten questions about

987
01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:22,480
that as well. And that's a feeder to a
school. And then it's um it's right

988
01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:26,000
outside of the apartment buildings uh
where there's a lot of seniors there and

989
01:19:24,480 --> 01:19:33,760
for walking, that sort of thing. So,
those are two two uh items that I I hope

990
01:19:30,159 --> 01:19:41,199
we can flag for uh the not too distant
future. Um and you know, the um I'll

991
01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:46,480
just comment on the Percy Street piece.
Um because I have the opportunity to

992
01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:52,080
walk mostly most of these streets daily,
especially Percy, and it doesn't seem

993
01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:57,199
like the sidewalk's that bad. Um
everything needs doing. I understand

994
01:19:53,920 --> 01:20:01,760
that. Um but the uh and it's just down
the one it's just one side of the of the

995
01:19:59,840 --> 01:20:09,520
of the street that goes and leads into
the school. But um anyway, uh it's good.

996
01:20:06,880 --> 01:20:11,600
It's all good. Just those two those two
uh areas I think that we need to

997
01:20:11,040 --> 01:20:16,560
address.
>> Yeah. If if I could, Mr. Chair, I just

998
01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:20,880
wanted to um emphasize that we're not
replacing all of the sidewalk on Percy

999
01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:24,320
Street. We're making some uh some
improvements, some AODA compliant

1000
01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:27,920
crosswalks in those area with the
tactile walking surface indicators.

1001
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:31,440
Those are those plates that we put in
the in those crosswalks. So, it's not a

1002
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:35,360
replacement of all the sidewalks. So, I
just wanted to to mention mention that.

1003
01:20:33,440 --> 01:20:41,360
Y
>> thank you and thank you for this report.

1004
01:20:38,320 --> 01:20:45,440
And you know what I love about what
you've done here? You've broke

1005
01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:49,600
everything down into this street is
going to cost this much. this street is

1006
01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:54,640
going to cost so much more because we're
doing more there. And I love that

1007
01:20:51,760 --> 01:20:59,040
because now people can see how many
times how many times are we asked, well,

1008
01:20:56,960 --> 01:21:04,239
why can't I have a new sidewalk down
here? Why can't I have my my street

1009
01:21:01,199 --> 01:21:09,360
redone? Blah blah. Look at look at how
much it actually costs because they

1010
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:12,640
don't realize the cost to all of this
construction. So, thank you very much

1011
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:18,480
for the report. Thank you for breaking
it all down. [laughter] just makes it

1012
01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:20,400
easier to and I support what you're
>> Thank you,

1013
01:21:19,679 --> 01:21:24,159
» Mayor Panko.
>> Yeah, thanks for and we can always look

1014
01:21:22,719 --> 01:21:31,360
forward to this. I mean, it it does it's
meaningful work obviously. Um, a couple

1015
01:21:26,719 --> 01:21:35,440
questions. So, the uh on Union is it
this is going to take and create a

1016
01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:42,400
sidewalk from Cornelia to the point
where the ashvault sidewalk starts just

1017
01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:46,159
past uh Alexander. I want to say
Franklin is that in that area.

1018
01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:49,040
» Franklin will be your Franklin will be
represent the gas station, mobile gas

1019
01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:52,159
station.
>> Yeah, it's the next the next block

1020
01:21:50,480 --> 01:21:54,159
heading towards the uh the name's
escaping me right

1021
01:21:53,440 --> 01:21:58,080
» Alexander.
>> Yes. Yeah.

1022
01:21:54,880 --> 01:22:01,920
» So is um I guess the question is is that
section

1023
01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:06,639
in in good shape or would it make sense
to replace the sidewalk all the way to

1024
01:22:04,239 --> 01:22:11,120
the the via station
when we're when we're mobilizing? Um

1025
01:22:09,199 --> 01:22:15,199
just recognizing there a lot of people
tend to walk that route

1026
01:22:13,520 --> 01:22:20,000
» all times of the year. I see people
trying to walk down through there

1027
01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:24,880
dragging their suitcase and and um and I
don't think it would be an awful lot

1028
01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:28,560
more money to send extend it then we're
done with that area uh would be one

1029
01:22:27,280 --> 01:22:34,239
question. The second question would just
be with Canel Street um understanding

1030
01:22:32,159 --> 01:22:38,960
it's not a through no through traffic.
It's very lightly used uh street

1031
01:22:36,719 --> 01:22:44,400
certainly from a vehicular standpoint uh
and and a fairly significant cost. Um

1032
01:22:42,639 --> 01:22:48,080
and I guess obviously there's reasons
why that needs to be done or why it's

1033
01:22:46,400 --> 01:22:51,199
prioritized.
>> Yeah, thank you for the question. So the

1034
01:22:49,440 --> 01:22:57,760
the first uh the first question you had
was with respect to Union Street. Um, so

1035
01:22:54,719 --> 01:23:02,159
our our inspection and
the condition of the Ashefold sidewalk,

1036
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:07,280
um, from Alexander Street down to the
VIA station is in in pretty pretty good

1037
01:23:04,239 --> 01:23:11,920
repair, I would say. Um, to me, it
doesn't necessitate doing anything with

1038
01:23:09,280 --> 01:23:15,920
it right at this point. Um, our focus
there was to get continuity from Chamber

1039
01:23:14,080 --> 01:23:20,960
Street down to that point because it's
absent any sidewalk there right now. So,

1040
01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:25,120
that that was the focus. Not to suggest
down the road we can't come back. If

1041
01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:30,000
that ashwalt happens to deteriorate, we
can deal with it down the road. Um

1042
01:23:28,719 --> 01:23:35,120
and then the second part of the question
was with with Canal Street. Um

1043
01:23:33,679 --> 01:23:39,440
yeah, we're we're we're looking at some
some work there getting sidewalks on

1044
01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:43,679
both sides of the street. So sidewalk
favoring the uh the war monument or the

1045
01:23:41,840 --> 01:23:48,239
Senate half, which there's no sidewalk
there right now. Uh we're installing a

1046
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:53,600
couple of um street lights down through
there as as well. Uh they'll be the same

1047
01:23:51,440 --> 01:23:56,400
street lights that we have on on Becka
Street as part of the the bridge work

1048
01:23:55,199 --> 01:24:03,679
that we're doing there as well and what
you see in the downtown core. Um

1049
01:24:00,239 --> 01:24:08,400
and the ashwalts in in quite poor repair
in that area. Um, one of the reasons we

1050
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:12,800
we looked at it as well is, you know,
after

1051
01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:17,199
um, commissioning the the the timber
bridge and then we start to look at the

1052
01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:22,480
condition of the access to the to the
timber bridge, particularly on on the

1053
01:24:19,280 --> 01:24:28,159
east side, um, it it doesn't present
itself very well. So, what I would

1054
01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:33,040
consider a fairly small investment to
rehab that and make it a little more

1055
01:24:30,560 --> 01:24:35,199
inviting, I think will go go a long way.
>> Thank you. I'll support the

1056
01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:40,159
recommendation.
>> Uh Ber,

1057
01:24:36,639 --> 01:24:43,360
» uh thank you. Um yeah, it's a it's like
our most popular one, but it's also our

1058
01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:46,480
most debated one because everybody in
town knows a street that they think is

1059
01:24:45,040 --> 01:24:50,400
in worse shape than one of the ones on
here. So every year we this comes

1060
01:24:48,639 --> 01:24:55,120
forward. I ask how did we rate it?
What's our data? Um and we haven't seen

1061
01:24:53,199 --> 01:24:59,600
it yet. So I'd love to see how we came
up with this. like to me canal street,

1062
01:24:57,280 --> 01:25:05,440
you know, it's bad, but it's aesthetic
because there's some spots on McGill,

1063
01:25:01,360 --> 01:25:09,840
some spots on um uh on Maple. We got
some really rough rough areas on on the

1064
01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:14,000
north end of town. So, if we had that
data, then I can say this is this is how

1065
01:25:12,560 --> 01:25:19,440
we rationalized it. This is how they
were prioritized. I don't like getting

1066
01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:24,320
into um this kind of anecdotal debate or
politicizing it. So if we could get more

1067
01:25:21,920 --> 01:25:29,120
information on the how we picked them,
it would make it a lot easier to uh to

1068
01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:33,040
sell that in the community.
>> Yeah. Through through that, Mr. Chair.

1069
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:36,719
Um
>> yeah, so so so most of the decisions

1070
01:25:35,040 --> 01:25:42,000
that we make with respect to our ashalt
works is dependent on what the what they

1071
01:25:39,520 --> 01:25:46,639
call the PCI, pavement condition index.
Uh we did some uh investigative work on

1072
01:25:44,080 --> 01:25:49,120
that a couple years ago with our uh
through street scan where they came and

1073
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:54,639
they have a piece of equipment, a
vehicle that drives and it and it uh

1074
01:25:51,600 --> 01:26:00,639
computes what that PCI would would be.
Um however, it's not always uh that easy

1075
01:25:58,800 --> 01:26:06,080
to solely look at at those to make
decisions when we're looking at pay

1076
01:26:02,560 --> 01:26:10,400
pavement restoration. Um, for instance,
we have historically about, we'll call

1077
01:26:08,719 --> 01:26:15,760
it a million dollars on an annual basis
since council started to afford money

1078
01:26:12,480 --> 01:26:20,880
towards this project. Um, it it doesn't
necessarily get stretched very far when

1079
01:26:18,159 --> 01:26:26,400
we're looking at works on these streets.
Um

1080
01:26:22,639 --> 01:26:31,280
and oftentimes we get into investigative
work where we will go out and um core

1081
01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:35,760
the road to try to determine what the
existing thickness of ashvalt is to

1082
01:26:33,679 --> 01:26:39,920
determine whether or not we can do a a a
milling a grind if you will and then an

1083
01:26:38,239 --> 01:26:43,280
overlay.
So if we're not able to do that, if

1084
01:26:41,440 --> 01:26:48,000
we're into full depth removal, then that
effectively doubles or makes that

1085
01:26:46,639 --> 01:26:52,320
project two and a half times more
expensive than it was before. So then we

1086
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:55,760
may pivot and look to another street
where we may get a little more bang for

1087
01:26:54,080 --> 01:26:59,760
the buck if that makes sense where we
can stretch those dollars further and

1088
01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:05,360
perhaps just go and do a what we call a
shave and pave and mill it off and pave

1089
01:27:01,920 --> 01:27:09,600
40 ms of ashall on top to reinstitute
the riding surface. So it's a little bit

1090
01:27:07,440 --> 01:27:13,280
of a crapshoot. Um we are still trying
to develop something to bring back to

1091
01:27:11,040 --> 01:27:17,280
council so we can present it and say
here's the plan moving forward

1092
01:27:15,440 --> 01:27:20,480
understanding none of it's ever written
in stone. There may be a whole plethora

1093
01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:25,440
of reasons why things need to pivot and
change on an annual basis.

1094
01:27:23,199 --> 01:27:31,440
» Thank you. Uh just a couple of comments
for me. Thank you for the report. Um

1095
01:27:28,159 --> 01:27:36,880
would there be pedest pedestrian snow
plow now uh on Union Street right to the

1096
01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:40,880
via station that once we put the
sidewalk in even on the paved we'll be

1097
01:27:39,440 --> 01:27:44,159
able to
>> correct. Yes.

1098
01:27:41,600 --> 01:27:46,719
» So they'll be a pave or a snowplow.
Great.

1099
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:52,719
» Correct. And I just wanted to second
council Brennan's comment on John Street

1100
01:27:49,760 --> 01:27:58,960
leading to the really uh busy school.
There's no sidewalk on either side. So

1101
01:27:55,280 --> 01:28:03,679
» for next year if if uh if we have any
say about it, it would be nice to see

1102
01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:08,531
that one in there. And I don't think
talking about schools is politicizing

1103
01:28:06,239 --> 01:28:13,199
it. I think that's just uh
[clears throat] wanting to flag that

1104
01:28:09,520 --> 01:28:21,120
one. All right. Uh you've got consensus.
Good luck. a great summer paving.

1105
01:28:17,040 --> 01:28:25,000
» Um, we're moving on to Mr. Granky,
shared services agreement.

1106
01:28:26,719 --> 01:28:33,760
Thank you, Mr. Chair. staff are bringing
forward a recommendation to council that

1107
01:28:31,120 --> 01:28:37,440
uh that a bylaw be passed authorizing
the execution of a shared services

1108
01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:42,480
agreement with Tay Valley Township for
building inspection services and also

1109
01:28:39,840 --> 01:28:47,440
that uh that we pass a bylaw appointing
Tay Valley CBO Troy uh Marman as a

1110
01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:52,800
building inspector in the town of Smith
Falls. So this is just relating to

1111
01:28:49,679 --> 01:28:58,320
backup for uh for our CBO. We have uh
one chief building official full-time in

1112
01:28:55,280 --> 01:29:02,800
the uh in the town and occasionally when
he's on on vacation, we do need uh we do

1113
01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:07,360
need to have some uh some coverage. We
don't expect there to be a significant

1114
01:29:04,560 --> 01:29:11,840
uh workload, probably just uh just some
evenings, but somebody to cover uh cover

1115
01:29:09,360 --> 01:29:15,520
inspections while he's uh he's off. So,
we've already established a working

1116
01:29:13,600 --> 01:29:20,400
relationship with Tay Valley from last
year. Our CBO helped them out when they

1117
01:29:17,440 --> 01:29:24,320
were in between uh building uh building
inspectors as well. that that

1118
01:29:22,239 --> 01:29:30,800
relationship has has been established.
The uh the uh the township staff and and

1119
01:29:27,600 --> 01:29:34,560
and our staff are amendable to uh sort
of extending that uh that shared

1120
01:29:32,480 --> 01:29:40,480
services agreement to cover uh their
assistance on an as needed basis here

1121
01:29:36,880 --> 01:29:46,560
here in the town.
>> Uh everybody seems to be in favor of

1122
01:29:42,800 --> 01:29:51,679
this. It's a great uh to work with our
neighbors, continue to work with our

1123
01:29:48,320 --> 01:29:55,199
neighbors, and I hope the our our
building inspector gets a vacation when

1124
01:29:54,320 --> 01:29:57,040
he needs it.
>> Absolutely.

1125
01:29:56,320 --> 01:30:02,800
» Thank you.
>> Thank you,

1126
01:29:59,120 --> 01:30:07,040
Clerk. Castello, you're up.
>> Thank you, Mr. Chair. And I will note if

1127
01:30:05,120 --> 01:30:11,360
you if you could look on your agendas, I
I made a a typo on 9.1. That's actually

1128
01:30:09,600 --> 01:30:14,880
supposed to be the Canada Day fireworks
update. I'm not talking about the

1129
01:30:13,199 --> 01:30:20,159
lighting policy twice. So, if you want
to make that small change on your

1130
01:30:16,400 --> 01:30:24,400
agendas, uh community covers. Uh so, as
council recall, Mayor Panko had brought

1131
01:30:22,080 --> 01:30:28,960
this up a couple months ago about the
idea of having uh community covers

1132
01:30:26,639 --> 01:30:32,239
within the town boundaries. Uh this is
an initiative that the Smith Falls

1133
01:30:30,400 --> 01:30:36,400
Equity for All group as well as the
working group uh the food and security

1134
01:30:34,320 --> 01:30:39,840
working group have been working on. Uh
we've developed a bit of a pamphlet and

1135
01:30:38,320 --> 01:30:44,639
a poster which is attached to your
report um that's been included in our

1136
01:30:42,080 --> 01:30:49,679
website and we've also uh included a
page on our website dedicated strictly

1137
01:30:46,960 --> 01:30:53,840
to food insecurity. Uh this was also
something that council supported uh

1138
01:30:51,920 --> 01:30:58,880
declaring a food uh food insecurity
within the town of Smith Falls. Uh so

1139
01:30:56,719 --> 01:31:03,840
what we've done is we've put together a
kind of an information uh packet. Uh

1140
01:31:01,520 --> 01:31:07,920
right now community pantries uh aren't
prohibited in Smith Falls. uh we'd

1141
01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:13,679
actually like to encourage them more and
have uh people actually uh put pantries

1142
01:31:11,360 --> 01:31:18,960
on private property uh whether it's
inside or outside. So this report does

1143
01:31:16,560 --> 01:31:23,840
um indicate what some of the parameters
of having a a community pantry or

1144
01:31:21,440 --> 01:31:29,440
community cover would be. Uh it could be
inside or outside obviously not in right

1145
01:31:26,159 --> 01:31:34,880
ofways on the sidewalks. Um so it's
something that can be enforced from that

1146
01:31:31,920 --> 01:31:39,040
from that um perspective. We've also
included some food safety guidelines

1147
01:31:36,719 --> 01:31:43,120
that we got from the local health unit.
So, anybody who wants to have one of

1148
01:31:40,719 --> 01:31:47,440
these pantries um that might be some
links that they wish to look at. Um so,

1149
01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:51,199
at this point, it's more of an
information piece for council and

1150
01:31:49,040 --> 01:31:55,840
hopefully um to get the word out that
these are actually encouraged by council

1151
01:31:54,000 --> 01:32:00,800
um to help the community and help our
residents with food insecurity. Uh the

1152
01:31:58,480 --> 01:32:05,520
hope is that this report and maybe some
advertising we can do on our website and

1153
01:32:02,800 --> 01:32:10,480
our social media feeds um will encourage
people to have a food pantry um which

1154
01:32:08,800 --> 01:32:15,120
would include obviously non-p perishable
foods, maybe hygiene products uh things

1155
01:32:12,800 --> 01:32:20,159
of that nature um where there would be
signage obviously in place of what is

1156
01:32:17,199 --> 01:32:24,639
permitted. Um each place that has a
pantry what we would encourage would it

1157
01:32:22,239 --> 01:32:28,159
that each one would have a host per se
and they would be in charge of the

1158
01:32:26,159 --> 01:32:32,159
maintenance of it. uh making sure that
the products haven't expired, that

1159
01:32:29,920 --> 01:32:36,880
there's been no pests, uh things of that
nature. So, mostly encouraging our

1160
01:32:34,560 --> 01:32:42,480
community to look at uh preparing and
having a food pantry on their property

1161
01:32:40,480 --> 01:32:47,520
and uh obviously Mayor Panko is the
chair of the Smith Falls Equity for All

1162
01:32:44,639 --> 01:32:51,600
and this was uh his brainchild. So, I
welcome any additional comments that he

1163
01:32:49,199 --> 01:32:57,760
may have. Now, thanks for the excellent
report and not only there's links in

1164
01:32:54,080 --> 01:33:02,080
there to to anybody interested to uh to
follow them comments or questions.

1165
01:33:01,120 --> 01:33:07,840
» Counc,
>> thank you. These pantries that that

1166
01:33:06,080 --> 01:33:11,920
doesn't mean that the town has to
monitor them.

1167
01:33:09,600 --> 01:33:17,440
» Correct. Uh the whole point with the
pantries would be that they would be

1168
01:33:13,679 --> 01:33:20,880
privately uh owned to use that term. Uh
so it's more that that council is just

1169
01:33:19,280 --> 01:33:24,880
letting people know that they aren't
prohibited, they're encouraged. Uh and

1170
01:33:23,120 --> 01:33:28,560
we're giving them the parameters to do
so safely and without having to do any

1171
01:33:27,360 --> 01:33:32,960
type of enforcement.
>> Just to follow up on that, so if

1172
01:33:30,320 --> 01:33:37,520
something happened and someone claimed
they got sick out of eating something,

1173
01:33:35,360 --> 01:33:42,719
that's not a town.
>> It would be on the host.

1174
01:33:39,679 --> 01:33:46,000
» Thank you, Council Miller.
>> Thank you. I just wanted to say thank

1175
01:33:44,159 --> 01:33:50,560
you, Clerk Castello, and thank you to
the equity for all committee for putting

1176
01:33:48,239 --> 01:33:54,000
this together. We're in a real crisis.
Uh it's not unique to Smith Falls, but

1177
01:33:52,560 --> 01:33:58,080
I'm really proud of the work that we're
doing in this town to try and address

1178
01:33:55,760 --> 01:34:01,679
that. So, this information is really
great and if you're listening to this

1179
01:34:00,000 --> 01:34:05,040
meeting tonight and can share this with
your neighbors, um it would be a few

1180
01:34:03,679 --> 01:34:09,040
minutes well spent.
>> Thank you, Mayor Pat.

1181
01:34:07,360 --> 01:34:13,199
» Yeah, thanks Classello for bringing this
forward and and for council support in

1182
01:34:10,639 --> 01:34:17,040
the past. Hopefully support tonight. Um
it yeah the principle really is is is

1183
01:34:15,840 --> 01:34:21,520
pretty straightforward. Leave what you
want and and and take what you need. And

1184
01:34:18,880 --> 01:34:25,679
it's it's a real grassroots initiative.
Uh I have had uh a number of people

1185
01:34:24,239 --> 01:34:31,280
reach out since this first came forward
a couple months ago uh indicating they

1186
01:34:28,400 --> 01:34:34,320
have an interest in in uh not just
opening one but looking after one. And

1187
01:34:32,960 --> 01:34:39,920
that's going to be really what what's
required. It does note um where it's

1188
01:34:38,400 --> 01:34:45,199
nothing on town property without an
encroachment agreement. And so that's

1189
01:34:41,920 --> 01:34:48,800
something that if an organization had an
interest in putting one in a park

1190
01:34:47,430 --> 01:34:51,679
[clears throat] or town square
somewhere, they they would to reach out

1191
01:34:50,400 --> 01:34:54,639
to the town for an encroachment
agreement. And I don't know if if

1192
01:34:53,040 --> 01:34:59,760
Manager Granky would have to come a
little bit further on that. Um but I

1193
01:34:57,760 --> 01:35:04,320
think it provides an opportunity for
really discretion, right? People can

1194
01:35:02,320 --> 01:35:08,400
discreetly leave things there and people
can discreetly pick them up and uh again

1195
01:35:06,880 --> 01:35:11,840
just help support the the food
insecurity challenges in our community.

1196
01:35:10,080 --> 01:35:16,000
So Frank G, if you don't mind maybe
speaking just to how that would work if

1197
01:35:13,920 --> 01:35:19,840
someone said, "Well, I say an
organization wanted to put one uh at

1198
01:35:18,080 --> 01:35:22,400
Lower Reach Park because it's an easy
access point for people. How would all

1199
01:35:21,600 --> 01:35:25,280
that work?"
>> Thank you, mayor. Yeah. So, an

1200
01:35:23,840 --> 01:35:29,440
encroachment agreement, it's a process
that we uh that we follow from time to

1201
01:35:27,280 --> 01:35:33,199
time. And oftent times, usually when
when council sees an encroachment

1202
01:35:31,120 --> 01:35:36,560
approval, it's for if if there's a a
porch that's been sitting on a municipal

1203
01:35:34,960 --> 01:35:40,880
rightway for for a hundred years and
that was just discovered to uh through a

1204
01:35:38,880 --> 01:35:44,320
survey and and to facilitate a sale. But
but ultimately what the encroachment

1205
01:35:42,560 --> 01:35:49,760
agreement does is it defines
responsibilities.

1206
01:35:45,840 --> 01:35:53,920
So in in this case, an organization, a a
company, somebody would have permission

1207
01:35:51,600 --> 01:35:58,080
to to put a a permanent installation on
on town property. And then we would

1208
01:35:55,840 --> 01:36:03,199
through that agreement, we and council
would allow it, but they would be uh

1209
01:36:00,719 --> 01:36:07,360
they would own the the obligations as
far as as maintenance and and any sort

1210
01:36:05,280 --> 01:36:11,600
of liability. The agreement process can
spell out who's responsible for say

1211
01:36:09,679 --> 01:36:16,159
clearing a pathway there and and
anything there just to just to to cover

1212
01:36:14,080 --> 01:36:20,719
off and and define
the responsibilities and and obligations

1213
01:36:18,480 --> 01:36:24,480
to to allow that to to happen. And that
only applies if this is something that's

1214
01:36:22,400 --> 01:36:28,880
that's that a third party is looking to
put on on town property. The clerk

1215
01:36:27,120 --> 01:36:32,719
referenced if there's if somebody's
looking to put it on private property,

1216
01:36:30,400 --> 01:36:38,000
we wouldn't be involved in that process.
>> Thank you very much.

1217
01:36:34,960 --> 01:36:42,960
» Um any other comments? Just my one is
I'm aware of other committees where two

1218
01:36:40,400 --> 01:36:48,639
or three neighbors got together and put
one together rather than and then they

1219
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support each other with there. So
there's lots of options and uh again

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we're receiving this as information and
encouragement. Uh I know there's a lot

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of support around the horseshoe and
mayor bank.

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» Just one final comment. Anyone who's
interested in learning more go to

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littlefreepantry.org.

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01:37:05,600 --> 01:37:12,000
Um, it shows a map where they exist in
other places in North America. They're

1225
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actually pretty common in in in many
places. Uh, and there's also drawings

1226
01:37:14,080 --> 01:37:18,800
there. Uh, so a template if someone
wants to build one, you can actually

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01:37:17,280 --> 01:37:22,800
pull the drawings off of there and then
use it to to guide your your own little

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free pantry.
>> Can we get some of our wonderful

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01:37:26,320 --> 01:37:32,159
communication person to put this all
together into a wonderful

1230
01:37:31,182 --> 01:37:36,880
[clears throat]
Facebook or media release?

1231
01:37:34,159 --> 01:37:42,400
» You certainly can. Thank you. Don't go
away. Uh you're up next uh on the

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01:37:40,480 --> 01:37:45,679
municipal lighting pilot.
>> Thank you. This is probably going to be

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01:37:43,600 --> 01:37:50,080
the shortest report this evening. Uh
looking to remove the old water tower

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01:37:47,679 --> 01:37:54,080
from that policy uh regarding
illumination of municipal assets and

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adding our new beautiful Confederation
bridge.

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Uh, counc
>> would it be possible just to keep it? Do

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01:38:01,600 --> 01:38:08,960
we need to iterate the assets in the in
the bylaw or could we just say municipal

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01:38:07,040 --> 01:38:15,000
assets that are lighted will be lighted
and then if something comes and goes, we

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01:38:10,719 --> 01:38:15,000
don't have to change it every time.

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01:38:15,840 --> 01:38:21,920
» I don't see it happening very often.
It's only the second time.

1241
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see or do you want to add?
>> Um, yeah, I I like the the principle of

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of making it more generic. Um,
the only we only have three that are

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01:38:31,360 --> 01:38:39,600
capable of of different colors and hues
of lighting. So, that's why we

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01:38:36,719 --> 01:38:43,920
specifically mention them, but I'm sure
we could come up with language that are

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capable of being changed or something
like that if if council felt more

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01:38:45,760 --> 01:38:52,400
comfortable with that.
But if somebody wanted to light up the

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01:38:49,520 --> 01:38:53,520
public works garage, that's not on the
list.

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01:38:53,199 --> 01:38:57,520
» Correct.
>> So, we don't want to be It's not generic

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01:38:56,080 --> 01:39:01,480
of all of our assets,
>> right?

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01:38:58,080 --> 01:39:01,480
» Although it's

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Heat.

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01:39:31,040 --> 01:39:34,040
Heat.

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01:39:37,119 --> 01:39:40,119
Heat.

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01:39:59,040 --> 01:40:02,040
Heat.