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Jennifer remember if you want to speak
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Jennifer one if you haven't already
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the button on the bottom there's a
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idea I know that's why I told you

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yes all right here we go city of
Smithville special called council

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meeting and workshop July 10 2024 notice
is hereby given pursuant to Texas open

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Vernon's annotated civil statute article
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25217 that the city of Smithville will
conduct a special called council meeting

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and workshop on July 10th 2024 at 5:00 P
p.m. in the council chambers of City

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Hall 317 Main Street Smithville I called
a meeting to

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order we will have a presentation from
befco engineer on Wastewater expansion

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study would you please introduce
yourself sure my name is Chad Amel with

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befco engineering and I have with me uh
Paul wood with laen who is also on the

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project with us

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welcome let it
rip good oh I I'm just making sure

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you're good I'll start off all right
making sure auctioner style okay so

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first thing I'm gonna do everybody has a
packet okay and by and large I'm gonna

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it's somewhat of an outline somewhat of
a summary so some of it I'm have to read

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because it's more information than I can
retain uh some of it will be kind of an

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overview of it all the exhibits are in
front of you uh there are some uh other

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tables and different things that we'll
get to as we go through the the report

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so um just bear with me so first things
first just kind of an overview

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of the study itself so the first thing
we looked at was an evaluation of the

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existing systems metrics and what I mean
by that is for instance the wastewater

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treatment plant trying to figure out
what the average daily flow rate of each

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plant is today and the sewer strength
associated with that flow we also looked

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at the average daily flow per home or
Lue living unit equivalent we'll get

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into all these more in detail here in a
little bit but uh we also looked at a

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wet weather peaking Factor or otherwise
known as simply a peaking Factor then we

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evaluated the existing infrastructure so
the condition physical condition of the

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wastewater treatment plants and also the
collection system any known issues that

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might be there we also looked at the
development of future growth assumptions

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so how many people per household does
Smith they have uh the estimated 30-year

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growth rate for the city uh created a
development map and assumed development

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density for the uh for the
area then we looked at identifying

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infrastructure system needs to deal with
that future growth so evaluated existing

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lines and collection routes approximated
necess necessary line sizes and

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identified Waste Water treatment plant
maintenance needs and expansion needs

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and then finally we have our
recommendations so what we believe might

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be immediate recommendations as far as
maintenance goes and INF infrastructure

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Improvement triggers and then of course
Associated costs with those so we'll

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Dive Right In so again started off with
an evaluation of the existing systems

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metrics so in trying to determine what
the wastewater treatment plants average

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daily flow rate actually is today we
gathered data from 2018 to 2023 and

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that's daily flow records from City
staff that they record on a daily basis

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we tabulated those then we pulled LC
rain gauge data and removed any apparent

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rain days so if we if we look at uh this
these two charts or graphs if you will

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are uh a representation of all that
information so you have the blue lines

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are your monthly rain totals your red
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on a daily basis and your black line is
what we call the adjusted average so for

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instance this is this line is one of the
Prime examples ex so in May of 21 there

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was a lot of rain okay so you can see
the amount of of rain that was getting

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into the system so we're trying to pull
that out to find out what really is the

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average of the Wastewater coming in not
just storm sewer or storm water excuse

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me and that's what the black line
represents so overall what we tried to

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do then is there was some
inconsistencies with gazoline we had

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brought that to the attention of the
city uh back what was that uh 21 Robert

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22 when we did uh some other work and
what I think the city went and

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calibrated some of their equipment and
found that we got some really good data

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now the last three years so we used that
data to come up with an actual uh

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average so the results is gazley
wastewater treatment plant is around

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about 162,000 gallons per day and Willow
is 141,000 gallons per day

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so that was the flow component we also
need to figure out what the strength of

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the sewage coming into the plant or the
plants are so there was sampling done in

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front of each uh influent coming into
each plant and those things were were

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measured as well as looking at some of
the historical records associated with

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that and that's both of these things are
critical in determining the

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effectiveness of the plants how they
operate um and relative to their permit

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so we'll dive into that that a little
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later so then we also looked at the
average daily flow per home or living

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unit equivalent so the definition of a
living unit equivalent is defined as the

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typical sanitary sewer flow that comes
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typical
subdivision it's an easy way to produce

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an equivalency amongst land uses so one
house is one Lue okay uh think about the

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Comfort Cafe here in town equivalency
for them would be five Lu

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okay and we looked at Water records to
to determine that the sparkling clean

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car wash 17 Lue okay so it's like
there's 17 houses sitting on that lot

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and then the tower's nursing home would
be 31 Lue okay so all these things

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become critical we add those Lue
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potential demand of a development and
and then turn around and analyze the

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capital Improvement needs or or the
infrastructure needs that might be there

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to convey that type of
flow and then of course it can actually

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let you go backwards too right we had to
do this infrastructure for this

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development therefore that development
caused us this type of economic impact

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right Financial

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impact so that we took uh so in order to
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see so now we we're drilling down into
figuring out what the city's Lue is what

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that number is and that number is is a
gallons per day per Lu so that's what

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we're trying to figure out so we used we
had all this data already set up we

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started we then took the city's water
meters which are uh put in because of

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the meter reading system that's here
those are Geor referenced okay so we can

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look at GIS and determine which
connections are in which sewershed of

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each plant okay we then took the high
water users for instance the towers

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nursing home or the sparkling clean car
wash and we take their flow out of the

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plant okay because we're really trying
to boil it Down to What A House Is Not

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What a commercial property is so we take
those out both from the flow standpoint

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and also the connection standpoint and
then you divide right take your what

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water is left by the number of Lue
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that are left and you come up with an
Lue what we found was an average roughly

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between the two plants of about 135
gallons per day per Lue now we don't

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want to go just with that number right
because that's we want to be a little

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bit more conservative with that we don't
want to be trying to hit it right on the

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nails so after some discussion with the
city we elected to go with 185 gallons

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per day per
Lue now as far as that 135 number befco

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has done some other work with other
municipalities and have found that that

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135 number plus or minus is about what
we find the water typical water usage of

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a house so if you look look at your
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days you're liable to find that you're
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right now maybe you have irrigation so
that might complicate things but because

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obviously that's not going down the
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system to further justify that metric of
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tcq doesn't give you an exact number
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typical person uses about 75 to 100
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the US Census Bureau says that
Smithville has about 2.5 persons per

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household so if you do that math you're
looking at somewhere between 187.5 to

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200 gallons 250 gallons per day per
connection so we're kind of right there

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at the bottom of that range and that's a
good thing because to be honest some of

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TC Q's numbers are a little Antiquated
they're a little slow to move with you

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know low FL low volume toilets and
different things that have have come

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about so we don't use as much water as
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okay so next thing was peaking Factor so
in a peaking factor is when you have uh

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basically two different things are
occurring everybody's or well a number

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of things can happen to create a peaking
factor it's raining outside okay

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unfortunately there's holes in our sewer
lines water gets into them so that's a

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bad thing but it happens okay every
Community you're not special in that

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sense then you're at home maybe in the
evening you're cooking supper you got

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the kiddos taking a shower you're
washing clothes right and at the same

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time there's another family out eating
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dishes so you have all these different
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that can create a peak right so you have
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more flow at those Peaks everybody 10:
a.m. in the morning everybody's at work

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not eating at restaurants nobody's
washing clothes to speak of so you kind

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of get the low right so we're looking at
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our infrastructure has to be able to
convey those

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Peaks ultimately what we looked and the
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data right through the plants so we can
look at these Peaks for instance right

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here right or right here so the plant
has to be able to also handle those

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Peaks so what we found was
roughly kind of the worst case situation

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would be a peaking factor of
four so now you have 135 gallon excuse

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me 185 gallons per day per connection
times four is what that one house in

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theory could produce

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okay all right so next we looked at the
existing infrastructure okay so U

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obviously the one of the biggest
components is your wasar treatment plant

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that's where everything has to go at the
end of the day so L was part of bef Go's

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team to evaluate each plant uh the
components the setup identify choke

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points any limitations identify
maintenance repairs and up great

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requirements so uh with that I want to
hand it over to Paul and let him go

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through

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those um good evening um I'm Paul wood
with with L um so we looked at the uh

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the two uh wastewater treatment plants
the willow plant the gazley plant and

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the machuka lift station um the willow
plant um we have both Aerials

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here that's all right
ah I don't know how you're set up okay

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so uh Willow plants uh across freeway um
is the newer plant and it was

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constructed in 98 and the gazley plants
your your older plant here in town and

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it was constructed in uh the mid-70s and
it was rehabbed at some point in time

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we're not sure when but when you go look
at it uh you can tell that there's uh um

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some variation uh piping that was was
changed um at some point in time

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um but uh that's about where we are on
those um so the when I don't really want

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to go into depth on this stuff because
because I really like wastewater

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treatment plants and I know everybody
else you know is I'm I'm talking words

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you know but uh basically what's going
on with a waste water treatment plant is

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youve just got several components in it
that that treat the water so the first

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thing you've got is a lift station lifts
the water up into the plant you've got

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the irration basins that's basically
where you're uh doing the biological

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treatment you're putting air into the
base Basin and and and uh degrading the

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B you got a clarifier where you separate
the bugs from the water the water the

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clarified water goes to a chlorination
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that are settled go to uh a a digestor
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basins so when he talks about uh the um
looking at the components and looking

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for these choke points um ideally all
those pieces the irration basins the

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clarifiers the chlorination basins are
all sized for the same same amount um of

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of flow and is what we're talking about
on there um what we found in the let me

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kind of go uh by plant here so that
we're talking the same same language Al

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on the willow plant that that actually
looked to be the case so Willows uh uh

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is actually like I said was a neur plant
um and is actually in relatively decent

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sh shape good shape even though it's you
know getting on to be almost a um 30

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years old um it's it's in it's in
relatively decent shape but it does need

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some does need a little love and
attention um uh going through it uh as

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we say the air Iration basins have uh uh
enough capacity but there's some piping

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issues where a lot of things are rusting
out right now and like I say so this is

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time to start going in and looking at
maintenance uh the blowers

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um the way that the load is is is

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calculated on this plant um Engineers
are extremely conservative at all times

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um so if you were to take the worst case
situation basically all your blowers

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would have to be running um at the same
time in order to to meet the air demands

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and Engineers don't like that Engineers
want you to have a spare blower if

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something goes wrong um that's probably
I won't say it's outside of the realm a

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possibilities happen because because it
can and that's why we're engineers and

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we're conservative but uh so we would
recommend that you kind of resize the

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blowers it's like I say they're probably
hit their you know their 20-year

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lifespan and Beyond um it's time to
start looking at at that and if you do

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let's look at resizing the blowers and
making it so you have a fourth blower uh

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available for for a spare
um clarifier again it's it size to the

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right size um LT station it looked to be
in pretty good shape uh for health and

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safety You' probably want to put in fall
protection uh in the lift station

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um the eone station again uh looks like
it's it's in decent shape uh there's

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there's some questions about uh the
retrieval equipment and whatnot for the

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probably about that and the Sledge

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drawing beds they The Operators are
sorry

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died I can I can

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yell okay good enough um they'll pick me
up up on one with the other mics um the

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uh Sledge drawing bids there's an
operational problem with how the design

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was originally done so the operators
having a problem actually uh doing their

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jobs in those and so the Sledge uh
doesn't come off the walls the way they

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have to go in there with a thank you um
uh with their their front end loader and

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so uh that needs to kind of be be fixed
um so all in all like I say there's

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there's probably more in depth than than
I've given you but gazley is in decent

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shape needs some needs a little TLC
though go ahead will will I'm sorry my

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bad I I was reading the next one in
it you say recommend the either a

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filtering dumpster or install a screw
press which would you which would you

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think would be
best you're the expert I would say go

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rent a filtering dumpster and see how
well it works uh and then if if okay if

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it if it if it works well it's a it a
cheaper option the the the screw press

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is a more expensive option but it's a
it's it's a good option too but the the

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filtering dumpster is a uh a good method
as long as it works with the sledge that

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you're generating so they can be rented
they can be rented okay

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yeah um Harwell could probably point you
to the right

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people um Dragon systems probably has
them um so gazley plant um gazley plant

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was like I said constructed in the 70s
did some work uh there um uh Chad says

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that you know the original plant was
that it replaced um was probably built

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in the 50s and there's probably some
pieces there that that are um um from

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the original plant um gazley needs not
just a little love and attention it

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needs a it needs a whole lot of love and
attention um the the lift station

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is nonfunctional basically it's it's
it's a yeah it's it's it's the pumps are

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outside of it and it's and it's and it's
in in very poor shape um oh for the uh

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common people out here and anybody new
can you explain what a lift station does

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sure lift station is exactly that it
basically takes the sewage from the

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sewers and lifts it up into the plant
and so uh has some pumps on it and uh um

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when it gets to a certain level pumps
turn on pumps it down lifts it up into

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the into the treatment plant and it
flows by gravity down we like to we like

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to use gravity whenever we can
but

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exactly

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um okay so so the sizing on this plant
was a little difficult also uh the so we

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talked about flow and and the pieces
being built so that the the flow can

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handle all the pieces and you're and
you're okay um you also have what they

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call a load and the load is basically
the concentration of your waist times

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the flow rate and it basically in
equates to a pounds of of bod or ammonia

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that you're that you're having to treat
um because there are you have industrial

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users on this on this plant um there are
implications of whether or not the load

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that the plant is treating is actually
um the normal assumed load that TCEQ

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uses that they would assume for a normal
U Municipal type seage treatment plant

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um and the flow that it gets um the data
we got

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was inconsistent with what the operators
were telling us and uh from from what we

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were seeing and whatnot we think that
the load may be higher we strongly

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recommend that you do a a more detailed
um

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uh study on on the uh the concentration
lows and flows going into that plant um

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because it's hard to tell otherwise
what's actually going on um and so we've

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made some assump ions and whatnot and uh
they're there's some implications on

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that um the other thing about gazley uh
that is the the point we're trying to

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make here on on number one where Iration
Basin is potentially under siiz to meet

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the permitted threshold so
um if the loads are actually higher

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than the the normal assume loads for uh
the the strength of waste that the TCEQ

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assumes U those variation basins may be
too small um if with the the study

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proves that the actual concentrations
are okay you're you're fine um the the

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other point in in gazley is that the
units are not consistent with flow okay

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that that plant is permitted at a at a
0. five uh million gallons per day and

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um the AR the clarifier excuse me that
uh we did the calculations for it and

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there's an suent overflow rate that you
have on clarifiers of a gallon per day

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per square foot that is not what the
clarifier is presently sized at and so

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it is it is dramatically less than than
that the

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clar yeah um so it's go ahead further
again for the simple people like me as

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they work together you've got the lift
station The Pump Station the clarifier

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the Sledge dry bed and all that stuff
just can like more time 15 seconds can

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you just
this is how this all comes together sure

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so basically what you got is the lift
station

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is here and it pumps over into the
irration Basin on this side of the uh of

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the plant this is the irration Basin and
it comes over here it flows into the

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clarifier so the Iration Basin it's all
mixed all the the bugs the the bacteria

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that are actually doing the degradation
with the air of the bod that's coming

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into the plant um is all mixed and and
fairly uniform in this Basin it then

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flows over into the center ring and uh
um that's the clarifier and so clarifier

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does exactly that it clarifies water
from the solids by gravity so the the

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solids fall the liquid stays on top and
then it overflows and goes into the

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chlorination chamber which is right here
and then this flows to the outfall into

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the the ditch um the sludge from the
clarifier comes over into this Basin

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this is a digestor it's held there for a
certain amount of time and then it flows

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in a liquid state into the Sledge drying
beds and uh just evaporation uh you wind

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up with dry
solid thank you that is waste water

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101 I have a question certain Robert do
we own any extra land around that uh or

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is there room for like if we needed
bigger beds things could they be put on

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that property

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or so that all all answered that in part
because the yellow line that you see

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that is the boundary of of the property
that the city owns oh thank you I didn't

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okay thank you very much for that so the
but the problem that's that's actually

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the creek basically right right above
right above the big tree that you see

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you know that's basically the creek
there so the room you see is the room

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that's been cleared and and you don't
have all of that because TCEQ requires

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that you have a 100 foot 150 foot buffer
zone inside the property limits or you

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can get easement so you could get an
easement from I assume this is uh

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property right Tex that's text. freeway
yeah Highway whatever okay so so you

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that you they're not going to build
houses on this so you basically

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can get an easement so that they that is
included in the 150 foot you can you can

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argue that um but to your point you
could also do some rearranging with the

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drying beds going to a filter press get
rid of the animal shelter exactly there

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are there are ways to do what we need to
do there's room to expand had to yeah

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and there's and there's technology it
gets as you try to squeeze as you tries

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to squeeze you know um um my boss had a
very uh colorful vernacular which I

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won't I won't tell you some something
about a certain substance in a five

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pound sack um but uh um when you try to
squeeze things into uh onto small spaces

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it gets gets more expensive we can go up
too can we not no

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difficult yes the uh the the Chinese do
that in Singapore they've got a they've

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got a multi-level wastewater treatment
plant but uh it gets really expensive

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well and also at American Airlines we
had one and we were up two levels

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because we didn't have any way to go
yeah easy to do with a sledge drawing

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and stuff like that with a waste with
the wastewater treatment the the Iration

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Basin the clarifiers gets gets a lot
more difficult and we'll get into the a

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little later we'll get into kind of
where you guys stand with the you know

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how much it has available in it left and
what a kind of a growth might lead to

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but you're asking really good
questions I appreciate that I really

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like can I ask a question certainly so
given the

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undersized uh some the undersizing and
looking like uh there are issues with uh

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its operation are we then now
non-compliant with tcq as of today you

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are meeting your discharge
parameters which is what they really

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care about okay now there's
recordkeeping stuff and and stuff like

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that tcq also looks at so you've got to
be careful with but you know what

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they're really looking at is are you
under your discharge limits So currently

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you're not running at the
the the there's two paramet two there's

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two flow criteria that they that when
when they hit that's when they start

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looking at things Okay so
it's it's 70% and uh 95% of your

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permitted flow capacity so your
primitive flow capacity is half a

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million gallons a day so um your 70% is
do the math for me real quick

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3535 so. 35 million gallons per day and
you're at 0.16 so you're about 50% of

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your 75% capacity or 45% capacity right
now something in that range 35% I I want

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to also add that there's some things
that have changed you know we know that

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the the uh Food Locker plant does
increase the concentration there's been

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a lot of movement at B parents and I'm
not suggesting that they're the culprit

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but it's something we need to look into
because if that's the source they need

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to do some pre-treatment on site that
they haven't been permitted for so just

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want to point that out too which you
know because as Paul is saying there's

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there's two components right there's
flow and there's strength and right now

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the plant was developed for a municipal
strength and what we're seeing is

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something much higher than that and
that's why the city has a pre-treatment

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ordinance in place already it just needs
potentially to be enforced to get those

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flows back down to what would be
considered normal if you will for for

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municipal plant so that your flow which
you're underneath your permit right no

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problems there but your concentrations
may get so high that you may start

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busting some of the other parts the of
the permit so you know enforcement may

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be more crucial than anything at this
point so Robert as that the ordinance

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requires pre-treatment at certain
levels if you have an industrial

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activity that that meets the
requirements yes at the time that bone

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Spirits initially came here they didn't
have a lot of processing going on

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distill distillation that may have
changed again I am not saying it's bone

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spirit is the C I won't even say the
names just place a and place B yeah so

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yes we do have a pre-treatment
standard so we could take their numbers

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their contribution out if we required
them to well we would have to go

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investigate what's going on there and
what kind of what they're putting down

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the
drain how do yeah how do you

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determine sample so the best way would
yeah go Upstream Downstream around them

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right uh whoever they may be and then
you can test those samples to see if if

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that is the concentration or you know
potentially a

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culprit how extensive of a change would
have to happen for them to treat there

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before sending it into our sewer do you
have any idea I have no idea it all

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depends on the concentration of what
they're doing upstream and downstream

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we' have to identify that and then for
all the little things that they test for

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you got to come within under the
parameters so it's something to to look

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into going forward they just have to
neutralize the the levels of what

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they're doing so it would be a chemical
treatment for

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them or something simp yeah exactly so
so that's one component I'm sure Paul

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will get back to it but you know the
bigger so that's that's one issue right

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that's really dealing with the airation
and and part of the plant the other one

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that that's really not an easy fix not
saying that that necessarily is an easy

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fix but the one that's much more
difficult is the simple fact that the

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clarifier isn't big enough right the
permit you know the original permit said

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it was permited for a half a million
gallons but you know based on the actual

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construction what had been constructed
with today's math it's basically half of

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that so and there's there's only one way
to get around that and that's build

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another one so so U we'll we'll again
I'll dive into some of the metrics on

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how to I'm basically trying to get
around that for the time being uh but

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that's that's the there's two issues
right so one is the sewer strength the

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other is simply you're at a limit
basically that you know 243,000 gallons

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per day is what the even though that's
not what the permit

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say so before we get to clarifier the uh
the the blower situation of the plant um

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is uh um you
I I don't know if this has been remedied

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but the uh there was only one blower in
operation when we we visited the plant

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um and uh it's basically equipped as
supposed to have two blowers and that's

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not an acceptable means of operation
because if the existing blower goes out

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you're up the creek without that a
paddle basically Parts have been ordered

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to fix the pump

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okay okay um

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and the other situation on the blowers
is the piping there's there's

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significant leaks uh on the uh the the
Iration piping um and so what you're

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actually putting out with the blowers
whether that's actually getting into the

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plant or not is is another question so
the the the like like I said this plant

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needs quite a bit of of uh of
TLC um clarifiers basically we've just

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hit the uh uh clarifiers uh from Chad
the list station again um it needs to be

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totally
rehabilitated um coring

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contact the chlorine contact
Basin well when you say choke point

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that's like saying this is the weakest
leak leak in the chain and it it's

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causes a maximization of the entire
system

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correct okay so the collection system um
you want me to

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go

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ahead all right so uh then we also
looked at other parts of the system

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right obviously these are the two
treatment plants and we've heard about

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those so U this is a map that shows
basically the entire City's sanitary

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sewer system um obviously it's going to
be hard for everyone to read but it's

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I'll give you the kind of synopsis of
what's going on here basically these

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black bubbles uh tell us um based on
records that befco has or the city has

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given to befco um the age of some of the
infrastructure so like all this area out

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here was built in 1998 or 1995 some of
this out here was built more recently

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2018 for instance for Hera um that sort
of thing and then we also have call outs

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for each list station in town and if we
do know the date in which those U list

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stations were either built or rehab
rehabilitated we have those listed uh

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two uh
lift stations in particular of note

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would be the machuka lift station it
needs effectively to be rehabilitated or

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or redone itself um I think the last
time it was touched was in 2006 and that

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was kind of a just a pump change I
believe at that time so it needs a

418
00:37:47,359 --> 00:37:53,839
little bit more love simply put um
during my process of of research and

419
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:58,160
doing everything I did I actually had
put boots on the grounds here at the

420
00:37:55,240 --> 00:38:03,240
fauler lift station all I about is it
was built prior to 1995 I Don't Know

421
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:06,240
Jack if you have any idea but I I
couldn't find

422
00:38:04,720 --> 00:38:12,720
anything
yeah so before 82 we know at least so um

423
00:38:10,599 --> 00:38:17,000
and and having put my head literally
down the wetwell I can say that it's in

424
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:20,960
tcq violation now if tcq were to find it
as a different matter but basically the

425
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:25,760
way it's operating is not up to current
standards it may have been at the time I

426
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:28,880
don't know because I don't know when it
was built

427
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:35,040
okay so the other thing that we did with
this map is we actually shared this

428
00:38:33,119 --> 00:38:39,040
obviously the city shared a lot of this
information with us we turned around and

429
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:43,359
over the years befco has built this map
out we turned around and gave it back to

430
00:38:40,839 --> 00:38:48,359
the city and had the the staffers tell
us hey where are other areas in town

431
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:52,920
that need some love right so U you know
there's and it's hard again to see but

432
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:57,520
there are areas that have been boxed in
that show areas that are uh they've had

433
00:38:55,240 --> 00:39:03,680
to make frequent repairs so these would
be gravity lines likely clay that are

434
00:39:01,119 --> 00:39:12,400
collapsing just because of their their
age more or less so uh most

435
00:39:08,240 --> 00:39:18,920
of most of the sewer system in central
Smithville is probably clay and and aged

436
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:22,440
so um you know a CIP program to slowly
replace those would be would be

437
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:30,720
recommended
Okay so

438
00:39:28,240 --> 00:39:34,560
now that we have basically the idea of
what's going on with the system right we

439
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:39,560
we know what our baselines are what's
going on with the treatment plants where

440
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:43,560
they are uh we have understanding of of
kind of the existing system we know what

441
00:39:41,839 --> 00:39:49,319
the flow rates are we've made an
assumption now of what the Lue number is

442
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:55,079
now we start looking into the future
right so now we want to uh try to build

443
00:39:52,119 --> 00:39:59,520
out growth-wise you know how fast is
Smith Bill going to grow uh which is

444
00:39:57,720 --> 00:40:05,599
obviously a guessing game but we try to
make it an educated one right um also

445
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:08,800
we'll look at what areas will be
developing or at least have been assumed

446
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:12,800
to
develop so first and foremost we looked

447
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:16,480
at persons per household I mentioned
this earlier but according to the US

448
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:20,640
citizens Bureau city of Smithville has
approximately 2.5 persons per household

449
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:24,680
and that becomes important when we're
talking about growth rate because we're

450
00:40:22,119 --> 00:40:29,079
growing the population not Lue we can
obviously turn the population into Lu

451
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:35,720
but we're thinking about
population so I'll do this

452
00:40:32,359 --> 00:40:39,560
first so next we looked at estimating a
30-year growth rate so we looked at a

453
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:44,400
number of sources here we looked at
historical and then of course

454
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:48,599
projections and uh one of the references
or things we looked at was the Texas com

455
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:53,920
controller's office historical growth
and for the capital region of which

456
00:40:50,119 --> 00:40:58,200
Smithville is part of uh Bastrop County
uh is the fastest or the capital region

457
00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:01,200
excuse me is the fastest growing region
in the state and I don't think that

458
00:40:59,319 --> 00:41:10,040
surprises anyone that's sitting in this
room from 2010 to 2019 the area grew

459
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:16,680
28.5% while the rest of the state grew
15.3 according to the US Census Bureau

460
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:22,359
from 20 from 2000 to 2010 Bastrop County
grew

461
00:41:18,359 --> 00:41:29,640
28.5% and from 2010 to 2020
31.1% meanwhile specifically Smithville

462
00:41:26,079 --> 00:41:35,800
22,000 2010 negative
.7% okay so really no growth during that

463
00:41:32,599 --> 00:41:39,640
10year span however the last 10 years
20110 to 2020

464
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:46,599
2.8% so that's kind of the history right
so looking forward the Texas demographic

465
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:51,119
Center which is part of the state data
center which is part of the US Census

466
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:54,880
Bureau we love
layers uh projects Bastrop County to

467
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:59,119
grow by
90% by 2050

468
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:06,640
90% that's Bastrop County that's an
average annual growth rate of

469
00:42:04,359 --> 00:42:11,040
2.2% meanwhile the Texas water
development board projects Bastrop

470
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:17,240
County to grow by
128% by 2050 and that's an annual growth

471
00:42:14,720 --> 00:42:21,280
rate of
2.8% so being that Texas water

472
00:42:20,119 --> 00:42:26,200
development board was the most
aggressive growth rate that is the

473
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:32,559
growth rate that we assumed in our study
so

474
00:42:27,720 --> 00:42:32,559
what does that equate to in actual

475
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:42,359
numbers that's a lot of numbers that's
what I do all right so by 2030 the

476
00:42:40,559 --> 00:42:46,960
population of Smith bill would then
equate to

477
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:52,920
5,169 2040
6,813 and by 2055 which is the limit of

478
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:58,079
what we've kind of looked at
10,310 people okay

479
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:10,280
10,310 that would be till
2055 so that's what yeah at a 2 point

480
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,280
2.8%

481
00:43:16,240 --> 00:43:26,440
2.8 right so in essence what this
overall spreadsheet does okay there's a

482
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:31,040
number of uh projections okay this this
uh projects both both population and the

483
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:37,200
growth of the the sewer flow okay what
are you using as base 4600 for current

484
00:43:34,359 --> 00:43:44,119
uh for 2023 I have
4,261 for 2024 4380 I think it starts at

485
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:49,359
2023 though according to US Census
Bureau and you do have a if you have

486
00:43:46,720 --> 00:43:55,119
your glasses onor statement of fact that
number has been revised downward by um

487
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:58,920
the Census Bureau to
4,067 that's what I wanted to clarify

488
00:43:57,240 --> 00:44:03,720
because people look at the population
city limit sign and see 4600 so and I

489
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:07,920
pulled that from the US Census Bureau at
you know at the time that I pulled it

490
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:12,119
out anyway so Robert you're we're using
4,060 uh well you're going with a more

491
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:16,319
conservative increased number right now
but it's actually 467 I did send that

492
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:19,920
out to all the council and and all the
people that needed it about four months

493
00:44:17,839 --> 00:44:26,880
ago because they sent me an adjusted
number I've asked tex. please change the

494
00:44:22,240 --> 00:44:26,880
sign hasn't happened yet

495
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:36,440
okay
so I'm not going to dive fully into all

496
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:39,640
these numbers that would be wild but
basically I'm G try to give you a

497
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:45,200
synopsis of basically I've set up four
different scenarios here okay scenario

498
00:44:42,559 --> 00:44:51,079
one was assuming the current collection
system setup the growth rate of 2.8% and

499
00:44:49,559 --> 00:44:54,920
the wastewater treatment plant permit
limits that's an important thing to note

500
00:44:53,000 --> 00:45:02,240
permit limits right we already know that
gazley isn't a .5 MGD work working plan

501
00:44:57,559 --> 00:45:06,200
it's a 243 working plan so effectively
I'm going to ignore this one okay

502
00:45:04,079 --> 00:45:09,079
because it's really not reality okay it
was when I started my study until Paul

503
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:14,480
told me
otherwise uh the other thing I also

504
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:20,160
assumed for these first three scenarios
is that 33% of the flow of developed

505
00:45:17,839 --> 00:45:26,119
flow the future flow is going to come to
gazley whereas 67% goes out to Willow

506
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:29,920
okay I'll explain more as to why I was
thinking those things or made those

507
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:34,640
assumptions uh later when I show you
kind of the collection system route but

508
00:45:32,079 --> 00:45:40,800
either way 33% is what I assumed to come
to gazley 67 to Willow the other thing

509
00:45:38,559 --> 00:45:45,680
that I assumed based on discussions with
Robert he's had a number of developers

510
00:45:43,319 --> 00:45:49,680
reach out to him and express interest in
developing here

511
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:55,760
right roughly those numbers are about
650 Lue of interest that they're have

512
00:45:53,200 --> 00:46:01,839
shown interest to maybe plop those down
as soon as they can that'd be

513
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:07,040
accurate so what I did is because you
know the

514
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:11,480
2.8% growth rate sounds great right it's
a nice round number that I can use and

515
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:16,319
spread out but if you if you think about
that more logically you know what's 2.8%

516
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:25,240
growth look like for Smithville in one
year I can tell you it's only it's 119

517
00:46:20,319 --> 00:46:28,240
folks from 2023 to 2024 so but it it's
until you get a bigger number right you

518
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:33,079
think think about Austin you think about
Houston if they were to plop down a a

519
00:46:30,720 --> 00:46:37,920
thousand lot subdivision right in one of
those cities that would be a blip on

520
00:46:35,319 --> 00:46:43,240
their radar right but you throw down a
300 lot subdivision in Smithville at 2.5

521
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:47,359
persons per household I just blew that
number away right so what I wanted to do

522
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:49,920
is try to be a little bit more realistic
about what might be coming all you have

523
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:53,520
to do is look at your neighbor to the
north right and bass drop and what's

524
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:57,640
happened there right they're really
expanding quickly and I could elaborate

525
00:46:55,680 --> 00:47:02,000
on that more in a might later
but so anyway what I did is I took those

526
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:05,680
650 Lu and I spread them out over five
years okay it's going to take him some

527
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:10,400
time to develop those lots if even if
they wanted to so I put those in and it

528
00:47:08,559 --> 00:47:14,559
kind of accelerated the path is really
what I'm trying to do trying to give you

529
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:18,880
worst case scenario
ultimately from there for those that

530
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:23,720
have the handout or or can possibly read
it's pretty blurry up there it's these

531
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:28,640
small this box right here that's really
the most important don't get lost in the

532
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:35,280
very long one it's this small box and
what this box does is it tells you about

533
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:39,839
the 70 uh the 75 and 90% rules that that
Paul alluded to earlier and that is when

534
00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:44,400
you have to start designing a plant and
when you have to start constructing a

535
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:48,880
plant okay so each one of these
scenarios kind of gives a a different

536
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:54,440
perspective of when you might have to
expend that money right that's what

537
00:47:51,319 --> 00:47:59,599
we're getting down to so under the guise
of leaving the development or the the

538
00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:05,800
infrastructure as it stands today you'd
be looking at trying to expand gazley or

539
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:11,599
start designing to expand gazley in
2030 it's not that far away is it you'd

540
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:15,839
be looking at trying to build it in 20
in 2039 so there there's a g bit of Gap

541
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:22,520
in there when you think about the growth
rate whereas Willow you're looking at

542
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:28,359
2028 you'd start designing a plant in
2030 building it right that's not that

543
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:32,839
many that many years
away so we want to look at another

544
00:48:30,599 --> 00:48:39,520
situation years ago when Willow was
built machuka lift station U which takes

545
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:41,920
in essence about a third of Smithville
if you will kind of cut out the middle

546
00:48:40,839 --> 00:48:47,880
of Smithville and that's what the
machuka lift station takes care of it

547
00:48:45,119 --> 00:48:51,920
used to pump to gazley okay Willow was
having some operational issues because

548
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:54,640
of the amount of flow it didn't have and
you have to have a certain amount of

549
00:48:53,079 --> 00:48:59,319
flow to actually get those plants to
function properly so the decis ision was

550
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:04,799
made to take machuka lift station and
actually switch it and take it over to

551
00:49:01,119 --> 00:49:09,280
Willow instead okay so that gave Willow
more flow it operated easier it was much

552
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:15,599
easier on the operators at the same time
naturally it took flow off of gazley

553
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:19,680
right at the start of this study what we
assumed was that hey we don't think

554
00:49:17,599 --> 00:49:25,240
gazley is going to get much development
to it hence the 33% right maybe we

555
00:49:22,839 --> 00:49:29,839
should switch machuka back over there
right and that would free up Willow

556
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:33,280
which we expect to get more flow and
quicker well the problem is is based on

557
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:38,920
the fact that we now know that the
clarifier is under sized it does not

558
00:49:35,839 --> 00:49:44,680
have that 0.5 MGD if I switch it back
what I find is immediately we could Buzz

559
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:49,040
permit so I can't switch it back that's
what this scenario number three

560
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:53,480
was so that leads us to the final
scenario scenario number four and that

561
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:59,799
is I'm leaving machuka pumping over to
Willow I am instead of taking 33% of the

562
00:49:57,839 --> 00:50:05,079
new flow over to gazley I'm only going
to take 10% which is to say I'm guessing

563
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:10,520
that Smith Bill proper so anything that
might redevelop in the old part of

564
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:15,760
Smithville anything south of the river
okay uh would develop redevelop we can

565
00:50:13,599 --> 00:50:20,799
handle more flow right but I'm only
taking a growth rate of 10% is what I'm

566
00:50:17,839 --> 00:50:25,240
assuming the rest the 90% of our growth
rate that we projecting would go out to

567
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:29,640
the willow wastewater treatment plant so
with those assumptions in place

568
00:50:27,319 --> 00:50:34,520
now you're looking at gazley making it
roughly till 2041 before you're having

569
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:39,200
to do any type of design right so now
we've we put some legs underneath her

570
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:44,799
let her run out for a little bit
longer at the same time Willow which we

571
00:50:42,319 --> 00:50:50,280
are you going to have to be looking at
soon anyway we knew that we're looking

572
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:57,040
at starting a design in
2028 and Construction in

573
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:57,040
2030 okay

574
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:03,359
how long would it take once you start a
construction to be running product

575
00:51:02,319 --> 00:51:09,240
through
it two years so basically you're working

576
00:51:07,599 --> 00:51:13,680
on design probably with that TI of
scenario if you do have people that are

577
00:51:11,559 --> 00:51:16,760
lined up if you will to develop you're
potentially having to throttle them to

578
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:22,119
make sure you get the plants in
operation yeah so if you add a a delay

579
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:28,480
Factor nothing cost what you say it will
and gets delivered when you say it will

580
00:51:24,359 --> 00:51:28,480
um you add a year you think

581
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:37,040
yeah just for
probably years is yeah I was gonna say I

582
00:51:35,720 --> 00:51:42,040
thought that was pretty conservative I
was gonna say 18 months so 18 is the

583
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:51,319
fast so all we've got left is scenario
one and two well not just really

584
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:55,119
scenario well no we've already scenario
one's pretty much out the door because

585
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:58,680
we don't have that capacity in gazley
like we thought we did so it kind of go

586
00:51:56,799 --> 00:52:03,160
away so it's really it was a progression
if you will of assumptions I thought you

587
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:06,920
eliminated three also I I did three was
machuka switching machuka lift station

588
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:10,480
back over to gine we can't do that
either so we're just left with with

589
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:14,040
basically scenario number four down
there and you are including the

590
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:22,160
known what do you call it the known
potential developer yes sir yes sir all

591
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:28,640
scenarios two through four all have the
potential develop that's 650 lues yes

592
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:32,599
sir which is a household so 2.5 people
per house that's that's a 40% increase

593
00:52:31,559 --> 00:52:37,559
in
population right up FR right three years

594
00:52:36,240 --> 00:52:42,160
right three to five depending on how
long I mean the one I guess let me

595
00:52:40,240 --> 00:52:46,000
Broach uh the Bastrop subject a little
bit as far as you know with our

596
00:52:43,839 --> 00:52:50,359
involvement with them we did a similar
study back in

597
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:55,440
2017 and then pleaded with them to build
a a treatment plant they were already in

598
00:52:52,680 --> 00:53:00,200
our opinion behind the eightball um they
did subsequently a couple years later

599
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:03,440
and I'm sure many of you know off of
fm20 they have their their new Waste

600
00:53:02,079 --> 00:53:07,640
Water Treatment Plant and they just
turned the key on that thing in the last

601
00:53:05,319 --> 00:53:11,400
few months it took them a while to build
they had a an issue with some something

602
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:16,160
got held up on the supply chain from
what I

603
00:53:13,079 --> 00:53:20,119
understand but what we had told what our
recommendation back in 2017 was go build

604
00:53:18,720 --> 00:53:25,280
a plant over there and shut down your
old plants if you do that now you'll be

605
00:53:22,839 --> 00:53:28,880
fine well that was with what we thought
was a fairly aggressive growth rate we

606
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:34,240
would have been wrong because they've
finished the new plant it's a 2 MGD

607
00:53:31,839 --> 00:53:39,000
plant and they're having to keep their
existing plants online not only that

608
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:42,640
they just turned the key on the new
plant and they just they've already got

609
00:53:40,720 --> 00:53:48,839
the second or the expansion to that
plant underway and it's a four MGD plant

610
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:53,640
so they're about to put a whole lot down
and talking with with uh the Public

611
00:53:51,119 --> 00:53:57,440
Works director you know he admitted that
he never saw that growth coming that

612
00:53:55,400 --> 00:54:03,040
they see they said they there flooding
in right the the annexations the the

613
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:08,480
change over from Aqua to city water and
all those things are happening at at a

614
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:13,400
rapid pace so in a in a new facility
plan you would

615
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:17,200
contingently uh account for the possible
need for expansion because of an

616
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:23,079
underestimation of
growth I mean it makes sense to me you

617
00:54:20,359 --> 00:54:27,240
know Les Paul alluded to Engineers like
to be conservative we don't but we're a

618
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:32,280
guess right at the end of the day it's
still a guess on our part um you know

619
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:38,400
simply simply put kind of jumping ahead
we would I think what I would recommend

620
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:44,559
is a 0.5 MGD expansion to Willow if
you're going to make an expansion and

621
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:44,559
right now it's a0 three for the record

622
00:54:53,799 --> 00:55:01,400
so okay
so that was kind of the growth rate

623
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:05,280
right um and what it does to our plants
uh the next thing we looked at is is

624
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:10,720
kind of trying to develop a future
development map and an assumed

625
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:15,359
development density so future Land
Development is difficult okay it's if

626
00:55:12,720 --> 00:55:21,839
not impossible to to predict uh but what
we can do is is try to look at the past

627
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:24,920
and project the future U so you know
projecting out and trying to figure out

628
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:28,160
development density is extremely
important because I've got a get this

629
00:55:27,039 --> 00:55:31,240
not only do we have to worry about the
plants and being able to treat it but I

630
00:55:29,559 --> 00:55:36,119
got to get it there right and how do I
get it there how do I not tell you guys

631
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:40,480
to put in a 12inch line and three years
later it needed to be a a 24 inch line

632
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:45,720
right that would be terrible of use of
y'all's money so you know we try to do

633
00:55:43,559 --> 00:55:50,440
the best we can on what our estimation
might be so what ultimately we're doing

634
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:58,760
is we're recommending a development
density of four Lue per acre so four

635
00:55:54,559 --> 00:56:02,319
houses per acre uh for record uh saws
San Antonio water system and San Antonio

636
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:08,760
they they look at the same metric they
use the same thing for unknown land they

637
00:56:05,119 --> 00:56:12,079
assume that four Lue per acre so locally
let's look at some of the the recent

638
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:18,559
either projects that have been completed
or underway so you've got the Prairie

639
00:56:14,240 --> 00:56:24,119
subdivision that was 3.9 Lue per acre
the Wood Rose subdivision

640
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:27,880
3.5 Hera now granted Hera is larger Lots
right not only that but if you discount

641
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:32,000
the river front lots and kind of make
them quasi normal size to the rest of

642
00:56:30,039 --> 00:56:38,359
their Lots that's
2.3 now the important thing to know and

643
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:42,680
oh I guess M5 subdivision that's 2.8 Lue
per acre now the important thing about

644
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:45,839
all of those subdivisions is none of
them or all of them I should say were

645
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:52,280
above your
minimum uh lot size of 6,500 square feet

646
00:56:50,559 --> 00:56:57,280
all of those all of those subdivisions
were above that so if you and the other

647
00:56:55,799 --> 00:57:02,400
thing to note about those subdivisions
they were kind of on if you will smaller

648
00:56:59,839 --> 00:57:06,400
landlocked properties so there was only
really one way that they could develop

649
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:10,240
them they didn't have a lot of um
ability to think about a different way

650
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:15,240
to develop and it put a road here and
put Lots on either side of it right

651
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:19,839
whereas if you think about a much larger
property okay any of these large

652
00:57:17,359 --> 00:57:24,880
properties that you see posted here if
those came in and developed a master

653
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:27,920
plan it would be much easier to get that
development density up high when you

654
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:32,240
think about just
homes U because they could be much more

655
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:35,200
efficient with how they lay them out not
only that but if they're here just to

656
00:57:34,079 --> 00:57:40,760
make money they're going to probably try
to do the 6,500 potentially your your

657
00:57:38,319 --> 00:57:46,599
smallest lot size right so it could also
bump up that development

658
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:52,440
density the smallest slot size equates
to what per acre five well it it it's a

659
00:57:50,039 --> 00:57:55,440
tough It's that's a tougher question to
ask or to answer than than possible

660
00:57:54,319 --> 00:57:58,920
because the reason is you have to think
about ride away

661
00:57:56,680 --> 00:58:03,119
you got to think about detention ponds
and that sort of thing cover

662
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:07,760
requirements cover requirements are
going to drive it a lot too so if you

663
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:11,640
take a 43,560 square foot in an acre and
you take out our impervious cover you

664
00:58:09,559 --> 00:58:17,280
know requirements by ordinance and you
take out some factor I don't know is it

665
00:58:13,039 --> 00:58:23,039
15 what would be streets and Roads 15
percent I might even go as high as 20 20

666
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:25,880
yeah I mean you can close to the four
it's going be pretty close to the four

667
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:30,559
yeah and that's kind of the point right
the the three 3.9 for for Prairie right

668
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:34,119
if you think about it they have I don't
I don't want to go backwards on this but

669
00:58:32,359 --> 00:58:38,480
I'd like to do that before we get too
far past the growth projection is you

670
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:43,160
know there's a couple rules one you
alluded to which is a rule of large

671
00:58:40,799 --> 00:58:48,000
numbers you know which is 2% is not a
lot of absolute in a small base but it's

672
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:54,079
a big number in a big city the other is
growth doesn't happen on a linear basis

673
00:58:51,240 --> 00:59:00,559
and so when you do projections for 2 and
a half% growth over 20 or 30 or 40 years

674
00:58:57,559 --> 00:59:05,480
you often times miss the real risk which
is growth doesn't happen two and a half

675
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:08,240
percent a year ask Bastrop I I know
because when I was at fourstar we

676
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:12,240
developed the colony and we own the
colony for almost 30 years and we sold

677
00:59:10,559 --> 00:59:16,559
five lots a year or eight lots a year it
was an inherited deal and then all of a

678
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:20,799
sudden you know the bucket turns over
and the momentum's there and now you've

679
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:25,280
got huge growth so you have to we have
to be careful I think when we plan for

680
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:30,240
infrastructure improvements that we are
really really careful that we don't just

681
00:59:27,599 --> 00:59:32,960
design for a linear growth because
that's not the way it's going to happen

682
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:36,039
we don't want to be caught kind of to
your Peak flow analysis there's going to

683
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:39,359
be a point at which it just we're going
to get overrun if we want to I mean

684
00:59:38,079 --> 00:59:42,920
let's face it development's not going to
come here if there's no Wastewater but

685
00:59:41,079 --> 00:59:46,720
whatever we decide to do we somewhat
control our own destiny we can decide

686
00:59:45,039 --> 00:59:50,640
through our land use what we want and
where we want it and how fast we want it

687
00:59:48,359 --> 00:59:54,720
and we just designed to that and growth
will go around us if it's bigger so yeah

688
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:58,000
it's it's one of those situations in
some parts you build it and they will

689
00:59:55,880 --> 01:00:02,119
come come right if you open it up for
them which makes it a tool for us to

690
00:59:59,799 --> 01:00:07,280
control growth particularly if we have
to have another facility where we place

691
01:00:04,599 --> 01:00:12,160
that would be important to directing
where future growth might come and I'm

692
01:00:08,839 --> 01:00:16,799
posing that as a question yes simply put
yeah

693
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:20,440
y so the other uh component I guess
would as far as Lue I kind of was

694
01:00:18,799 --> 01:00:23,119
leaning on heavily on the residential
side but if you think about the

695
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:27,000
commercial side you have the towers
Nursing Facility I think I mentioned it

696
01:00:24,599 --> 01:00:31,760
earlier that's that's effective like a 5
Lue per acre okay and the sparkling

697
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:37,400
clean car wash down here at the end is
is 25 Lue per acre okay so very dense if

698
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:41,599
you think about you know some of the
commercial that can come in so it can

699
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:46,839
offset what might be a lower density on
the residential side could be easily

700
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:51,200
offset by commercial or industrial or
institutional what do you use for Lue uh

701
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:56,720
for multi family like a 300 unit
apartment complex use a half a Lue so

702
01:00:54,200 --> 01:01:00,760
it's funny you ask um we did get into
that with some of my analysis uh with

703
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:07,160
some of the existing uh apartment
complexes here in town if you look at uh

704
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:12,200
um Austin and Houston I think they I
think Houston was around last I looked

705
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:16,640
was like maybe half a Lue okay Austin I
think was 75 but I actually looked at

706
01:01:15,039 --> 01:01:20,760
one of the apartment complexes here and
they blew that out of the water they

707
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:25,160
were like two and it didn't almost
didn't make sense but that was their

708
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:25,160
water usage

709
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:32,559
is it Willow the the willow well
anywhere you're going to have a large

710
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:36,880
percentage of larger two-bedroom and
three-bedroom

711
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:43,720
units
yeah right so you know at the end of the

712
01:01:39,799 --> 01:01:47,440
day again the idea here is is the
subdivision side isn't going to be four

713
01:01:46,079 --> 01:01:51,480
the commercial side isn't going to be
four per acre you hope that you at the

714
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:56,720
end of the day when you average a large
area you could end up with around four L

715
01:01:54,839 --> 01:02:00,319
breaker and the idea is honestly that
that's conservative that's that's our

716
01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:05,119
hope we don't want to be below it
because then everything else that I'm

717
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:08,640
about to show you is undersized okay so
we want to be a little bit conservative

718
01:02:06,559 --> 01:02:15,799
in that in that thought
process okay so that brings us to the

719
01:02:12,279 --> 01:02:20,319
actual map so um in very beginning of of
the project and talking with Robert this

720
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:24,400
is the areas that we decided to focus on
so to orient you guys a little bit

721
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:33,319
obviously this is Smithville proper
here's the Colorado River 71 and loop

722
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:40,480
230 okay all the way up to FM uh
153 here we're south of the river here

723
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:44,079
okay 71 again Loop uh 230 okay and this
is

724
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:49,599
bordering um I don't know what that
water body is called down here is it

725
01:02:47,319 --> 01:02:54,839
well you got Willow Creek is here not
sure what that one is ships Lake thank

726
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:59,240
you so these are the areas that we're
elected to focus on on um I'll tell you

727
01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:02,839
why we didn't decide to focus kind of
south of town first I know they're not

728
01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:08,079
shown here but you you're basically kind
of bordered more or less on the south by

729
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:12,760
the school right school has a lot of uh
flood plane nearby okay and there's

730
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:17,880
really no sewer infrastructure that
leads past the school so you lack

731
01:03:15,599 --> 01:03:23,000
infrastructure okay you have a big flood
plan issue it would be an exorbitant

732
01:03:20,039 --> 01:03:26,400
cost to get that into town so in essence
the idea is this is more ripe for for

733
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:30,760
development
mainly again you have 71 running through

734
01:03:28,359 --> 01:03:34,400
here so these are the areas that we're
elected to focus on if somebody's going

735
01:03:32,279 --> 01:03:38,319
to develop out
there the likelihood maybe that maybe

736
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:44,039
there's a MUD district or something like
that might make more sense to come up

737
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:49,480
out there um but U that was the decision
that was

738
01:03:45,359 --> 01:03:53,039
made so um again I won't dive completely
into all this but more or less give you

739
01:03:50,839 --> 01:03:56,279
an overview what's going on the pink
that you see are currently what we deem

740
01:03:55,559 --> 01:04:01,039
uh
either underdeveloped properties meaning

741
01:03:58,839 --> 01:04:06,000
they haven't met what could be their
highest usage or they're not developed

742
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:12,799
at all and all your yellow have been
developed in some sense um each one of

743
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:19,760
these squares has been
numbered and correlate to uh a table

744
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:24,960
that I did not print in a large format
but you'll have it in your handouts so

745
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:30,200
each each property and or sometimes I
group properties together have been

746
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:33,880
numbered okay given sometimes their
their ID number as far as the appraisal

747
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:38,680
district goes and a name of a
development if they have one or the name

748
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:44,680
name of the individual that owns it
potentially um and an assumption was

749
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:50,680
made for each and every property whether
that be four lots for Lu per acre or if

750
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:56,599
it was developed how many Lue that it
may consist of today if there was a

751
01:04:54,640 --> 01:05:01,720
single home potential on the property
today but it in our opinion could see

752
01:04:59,119 --> 01:05:05,520
higher usage later we also looked at
what that property could potentially do

753
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:12,559
in the
future so all those things have been

754
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:12,559
tabulated in that very robust

755
01:05:17,119 --> 01:05:27,400
spreadsheet any questions on this before
I jump to the next thing

756
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:30,920
here okay so and I'll leave the up for a
while any let's see actually I'll move

757
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:37,480
one
more so this next two slides are

758
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:42,599
effectively the same
areas but what we did is now we look at

759
01:05:40,839 --> 01:05:47,440
where and how are we going to collect
that development moving forward and

760
01:05:46,079 --> 01:05:51,960
we're not here to tell them exactly
where to put every single sewer line but

761
01:05:50,079 --> 01:05:56,760
rather what we call the trunk line the
main lines so that's then broken into

762
01:05:55,200 --> 01:06:00,039
what we call call sewer sheds you've
probably heard maybe heard the term

763
01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:05,559
Watershed before well same thing as
sewer shed okay so for instance this

764
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:12,039
light green would be for sewershed
number one and this blue solid or darker

765
01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:16,880
wider line is what we consider trunk
line number one so that's where the

766
01:06:14,119 --> 01:06:22,799
sewer from sewer shed number one in our
opinion would make sense to go into

767
01:06:19,319 --> 01:06:28,279
trunk line number one so on and so forth
so again north of the river we kind of

768
01:06:25,039 --> 01:06:32,520
have it divided into two sewer sheds one
is the this is the Eda lift station or

769
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:36,839
the highway State Highway 71 lift
station that was built a few years ago

770
01:06:34,559 --> 01:06:43,520
with an existing trunk line that comes
up to the Smithville Industrial Park

771
01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:49,279
okay it would grab all of this area here
and the loop 230 line comes down Loop

772
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:53,960
230 right now there is a uh the MD
Anderson has their facility up here has

773
01:06:51,039 --> 01:06:59,279
an existing lift station that pumps all
the way down into town crosses the

774
01:06:56,440 --> 01:07:06,319
Colorado River and dumps in in town
here what we would propose is to bring a

775
01:07:02,319 --> 01:07:10,920
a gravity line up 230 and then dump that
Force man would actually dump up here in

776
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:14,799
the top we'd put a new lift station down
here at the bottom and we have basically

777
01:07:13,559 --> 01:07:18,880
two scenarios that we'll go through
later one is to continue to use this

778
01:07:17,119 --> 01:07:24,839
forcan that goes underneath the river
and into trunk line number five

779
01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:30,240
ultimately making its way to gazley or
taking that a new Force main over to

780
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:36,240
State Highway 71 crossing the river a
new crossing of the river and dump in to

781
01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:42,760
what will be trunk line number
one which is also mind you where the

782
01:07:39,319 --> 01:07:48,440
existing Eda Andor Highway 71 lift
station pumps

783
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:54,319
today so what we did of course is we now
took the spreadsheet that you had before

784
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:59,119
and we dumped it into groups right now
we have them uh so if you'll flip to the

785
01:07:56,760 --> 01:08:03,079
next if you guys have it out it's kind
of the next set of spreadsheets they're

786
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:08,880
stapled together so you can if you take
your uh binder clips apart you can find

787
01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:15,000
it easier um it is
uh what's I call it the it's the

788
01:08:11,559 --> 01:08:15,000
collection system

789
01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:27,159
evaluation yes keep keep
going let's see sorry I know we've got a

790
01:08:25,199 --> 01:08:32,199
bunch here it is right
there we're going to be hitting these up

791
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:39,080
next so thank you
very

792
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:45,199
yeah yeah I wish I could find a ace um
so basically this was me determining how

793
01:08:42,040 --> 01:08:49,960
much sewage could come down each one of
these trunk lines right so it helps me

794
01:08:47,239 --> 01:08:54,040
to figure out okay at the slopes and
some of these a lot of these areas

795
01:08:51,440 --> 01:08:59,480
already have lines in them so they're
already a certain lot sized line at a

796
01:08:57,239 --> 01:09:04,239
certain slope so all I would be looking
to do is pull that line out and put a

797
01:09:01,799 --> 01:09:09,640
new larger line in its
place again not necessarily going to

798
01:09:06,679 --> 01:09:15,319
dive in you can feel free to try to
follow uh these spreadsheets effectively

799
01:09:13,199 --> 01:09:20,920
you'll see on the far right hand side
the arrows and the the red line the red

800
01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:25,520
little squares or each one of those red
squares symbolizes a line that's having

801
01:09:23,319 --> 01:09:29,679
to be upsized
okay so the blue lines kind of give you

802
01:09:27,400 --> 01:09:35,600
a little description of where the trunk
lines start uh let's use a for example

803
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:42,319
if you look at trunk line number one it
says it starts up here at the river and

804
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:49,359
effectively turns uh left if you will
off of is that Hill Road out there too

805
01:09:46,480 --> 01:09:54,679
Hill and then turns and goes directly to
the treatment plant today this line

806
01:09:51,799 --> 01:09:59,280
actually goes all the way downhill down
71 and then wraps itself back over to

807
01:09:57,280 --> 01:10:03,480
the plant so all I'm doing is
shortcutting is what I'm trying to do

808
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:09,120
here okay what that does is that frees
up capacity and makes this line a little

809
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:13,640
smaller a lot
smaller so I looked at effectively two

810
01:10:12,480 --> 01:10:19,280
scenarios and I've kind of already
alluded to it the two scenarios again

811
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:24,199
because of the revelation of
gazley uh how much flow can I take down

812
01:10:22,199 --> 01:10:31,600
here and do I want to take it down here
so in a say a 33% situation 3367 like I

813
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:36,800
talked about earlier I was assuming all
of this would come in to trunk line

814
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:42,560
number five and over to the treatment
plant scenario two excuse me scenario

815
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:47,520
that was scenario two scenario one would
take it and bring it over to ultimately

816
01:10:45,239 --> 01:10:47,520
to

817
01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:56,199
Willow the problem
being two twofold with scenario 2 we've

818
01:10:54,440 --> 01:11:01,719
already talked about the limitations of
gazley right by bringing that extra flow

819
01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:05,120
in here we're going to run out of
capacity so we're going to have to do an

820
01:11:03,679 --> 01:11:11,199
expansion right we're going to have to
at a bare minimum do the clarifier that

821
01:11:07,719 --> 01:11:16,239
we talked about so we looked at Cost
numbers associated with

822
01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:21,280
that additionally this trunk line number
five that runs through town today would

823
01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:25,560
also have to be
upsized a lot of that run anything that

824
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:30,880
you see running this way is actually
running through alleys but this piece

825
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:36,280
was actually running right down fourth
okay so obviously that's a lot of

826
01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:42,239
disturbance it's an expensive project
okay so combined if I look at scenario

827
01:11:39,719 --> 01:11:47,880
number two versus scenario number one I
find that taking everything north of the

828
01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:53,159
river to Willow is actually
cheaper currently my numbers which I'm

829
01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:58,199
still refining with some contractors
because of the larger pipe sizes that we

830
01:11:55,400 --> 01:12:02,000
don't often deal with and trust me the
Contracting world has changed a lot of

831
01:11:59,880 --> 01:12:06,960
things over the last few years so even
the numbers I did have are no longer

832
01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:12,520
valid but I'm refining those but as of
right now I'm thinking somewhere on the

833
01:12:09,080 --> 01:12:18,080
order of one and a half to $2 million
difference between those two options not

834
01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:24,639
only financially but it'll also allow
you a longer run time in gazley So

835
01:12:22,120 --> 01:12:29,159
eventually there is a strong likelihood
that gazley is going to need some work

836
01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:35,440
but if I go all the way back to the the
buildout and and and uh you look at the

837
01:12:33,040 --> 01:12:41,000
growth it's not going to be
soon effectively it would give you an

838
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:44,719
opportunity to monitor what's really
happening in the city and and you'd have

839
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:49,000
a pretty good idea of of when you might
have to do that expansion so

840
01:12:55,400 --> 01:13:02,440
okay so um effectively then what we do
is we we kind of had to look at well

841
01:13:01,320 --> 01:13:07,400
I've kind of already explained it to a
certain extent uh your different

842
01:13:04,679 --> 01:13:14,639
scenarios led to a cost because each one
of those trunk lines uh has a a number

843
01:13:11,239 --> 01:13:20,679
to them okay we also are looking at the
same time this is available development

844
01:13:18,199 --> 01:13:26,040
capacity this is the next spreadsheet in
order for you guys and what this was was

845
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:30,639
my attempt to figure out
what's the trigger points right when do

846
01:13:28,360 --> 01:13:35,360
we have to do these things how much more
development can we allow before we have

847
01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:40,159
to do these
upgrades the results were a little

848
01:13:37,440 --> 01:13:46,800
surprising okay trunk M number one let's
talk about it a little bit trunk main

849
01:13:42,600 --> 01:13:51,760
number one I need to flip
papers trunk line number one on this

850
01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:56,280
side really has no flow except for
outside of a few homes here that go into

851
01:13:53,560 --> 01:14:01,239
it today it's main flow comes from this
lift station this lift station has an 8

852
01:13:58,560 --> 01:14:07,600
in Force main underneath the river this
line is an 8 in gravity line we have

853
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:12,120
effectively throttled back this lift
station it's got some good pumps in it

854
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:16,679
matter of fact the pumps that befco
designed in this lift station and the

855
01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:22,679
the trunk line that comes up to the Eda
lift station needs no upgrades okay this

856
01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:27,760
is the one trunk line that needs no work
okay but what we did is we had to

857
01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:32,199
throttle this this lift station back so
it doesn't pump as much as it can

858
01:14:30,199 --> 01:14:37,800
because if we did we'd have it shooting
out of the manle over here

859
01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:42,760
okay so effectively what that means is
in order for development to occur up

860
01:14:40,159 --> 01:14:47,920
here and increase the flow
into uh the lift station and thus under

861
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:52,760
the river and into trunk main number one
we pretty much have to do it day

862
01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:58,080
one
okay furthermore

863
01:14:55,560 --> 01:15:02,120
the you have two lift stations here on
the south side or if you will in

864
01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:06,639
Smithville proper and we already talked
about machuka and I mentioned fauler

865
01:15:04,040 --> 01:15:10,360
lift station both of those lift stations
come in to each other within about a

866
01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:17,719
half a mile of each other or
less uh fauler dumps in on fauler road

867
01:15:14,280 --> 01:15:24,400
about halfway between uh 8th Avenue and
Luke 230 and the machuka lift station

868
01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:28,440
actually dumps in at fauler Road in 230
so those stations even though they don't

869
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:32,600
necess you know a lift station how a
lift station Works a little bit of

870
01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:37,000
thought process there you have water
that comes into a lift station slowly

871
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:41,719
from the houses okay and it fills up
slowly and then it gets to a certain

872
01:15:39,199 --> 01:15:47,080
point and it pumps it down okay and then
it refills and pumps it down so you have

873
01:15:43,880 --> 01:15:52,199
a lot the the you have tcq requirements
that say you have to pump at a certain

874
01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:57,280
speed because you don't want the the uh
Force man to get clogged by debris so

875
01:15:55,440 --> 01:16:01,280
you put in there a certain velocity and
that velocity keeps that line clean so

876
01:15:59,159 --> 01:16:06,000
it doesn't clog itself up that's the
reason the

877
01:16:02,199 --> 01:16:11,080
velocity that velocity creates a higher
uh flow rate than what's coming into the

878
01:16:08,639 --> 01:16:16,679
lift station so what happens in a in a
perfect and

879
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:20,920
disastrous condition is you have machuka
pumping at the same time it's raining

880
01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:27,560
outside everybody's at home doing their
dishes again and washing clothes fauler

881
01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:32,560
lift station is pumping at the same time
as machuka is pumping and we get water

882
01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:39,520
coming out of this line because this
line isn't big enough today either okay

883
01:16:35,960 --> 01:16:45,239
so the line from down two 230 from
fauler over to 71 is kind of collects

884
01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:50,120
all of this area today and as I
mentioned today anyway this line comes

885
01:16:47,159 --> 01:16:54,400
down and meets it the good news is is
this Li station is only pumping like

886
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:58,239
probably once a day because there's not
much flow

887
01:16:55,440 --> 01:16:58,239
north of the River

888
01:16:58,360 --> 01:17:09,560
today so while this may be 1 a as far as
importance this is 1

889
01:17:07,199 --> 01:17:15,440
B my understanding is there have been
instances to dat where this line has had

890
01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:19,920
some difficulties carrying its flow and
usually my understanding is during Heavy

891
01:17:17,639 --> 01:17:19,920
Rain

892
01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:27,600
events as for trunk trunk name number
three is kind of just the culmination of

893
01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:31,560
these two coming together so it's just
its own little little entity it's kind

894
01:17:29,400 --> 01:17:36,679
of when one and two happen three is
going to happen at the same time as far

895
01:17:34,280 --> 01:17:40,280
as trunk line four that's more of the
situation that you've already kind of

896
01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:47,440
alluded to which is when do you want to
build it right up and down Loop 230 here

897
01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:51,639
you have a number of smaller properties
some of which have businesses on them

898
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:56,159
already U some of them that have houses
that are on maybe slightly larger

899
01:17:53,840 --> 01:18:01,199
properties you know there's to my
knowledge not a whole lot of demand

900
01:17:58,440 --> 01:18:05,400
going on at this point and unfortunately
this is the most expensive trunk line to

901
01:18:03,480 --> 01:18:09,960
build at this point I think off the top
of my head it's around $4 million to

902
01:18:07,679 --> 01:18:15,280
build the trunk line build a a new lift
station and the Force main so this is

903
01:18:12,679 --> 01:18:20,560
the most expensive of the trunk lines to
be built um and it's it's really one of

904
01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:25,880
those true classic if you build it maybe
they'll come right it depends on on who

905
01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:31,800
has aspirations to build there certainly
if you build it somebody's going to come

906
01:18:28,840 --> 01:18:38,239
but um you're going to probably do that
in two contracts um you're not looking I

907
01:18:35,320 --> 01:18:38,239
mean design and

908
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:46,239
construction two and a half
years I mean you you probably look at a

909
01:18:44,600 --> 01:18:50,239
well maybe I should stretch that the
three your your lift station nowadays

910
01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:54,960
with again components are hard to come
by electrical equipment especially um

911
01:18:53,360 --> 01:19:00,440
the last lift station I've got under
construction now is we put a year on it

912
01:18:58,040 --> 01:19:00,440
just for

913
01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:09,440
construction all right so that's kind of
synopsis effectively

914
01:19:06,639 --> 01:19:13,800
unfortunately the main trunk lines that
are already in place outside of of

915
01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:21,320
number four and number six you know
these would need would need U immediate

916
01:19:18,639 --> 01:19:27,000
attention and then last is actually the
cost estimate at this point that we have

917
01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:32,239
so again I had two scenarios we've kind
of alluded to already so scenario we

918
01:19:30,120 --> 01:19:37,480
kind of just gloss over a little bit of
scenario number two where as it shows

919
01:19:34,400 --> 01:19:41,960
right now it's at one point roughly 1.75
is what I have the difference 1.75

920
01:19:40,239 --> 01:19:46,000
million between those two
scenarios again if you look kind of you

921
01:19:44,040 --> 01:19:50,679
have your your all the trunk lines are
involved in these scenarios mind

922
01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:56,560
you uh to to make them kind of apples to
apples comparisons uh these should also

923
01:19:53,679 --> 01:20:01,760
be noted this is in today's dollars okay
that's vital important for me to

924
01:19:58,719 --> 01:20:08,239
say before
2017 well actually before I guess 2019

925
01:20:04,840 --> 01:20:13,639
versus today any any numbers that befco
looks at as far as previous contracts

926
01:20:11,400 --> 01:20:19,600
that we're trying to to create estimates
off of we're doing anywhere from 50 to

927
01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:23,000
100% markup on what we saw then that's
the difference in what Contracting

928
01:20:21,880 --> 01:20:27,920
prices
are so very important for me to say

929
01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:31,239
today's prices and don't ask me to
project because who would have told you

930
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:37,400
that they would have gone up that much
in that short period of time

931
01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:43,080
so um you'll see that uh scenario number
one has all the trunk lines except for

932
01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:47,520
five right because we if we're if we're
going to take trunk line number four

933
01:20:44,679 --> 01:20:50,280
over to Willow we do not need to mess
with trunk line number five it's

934
01:20:48,920 --> 01:20:53,040
actually in good shape it doesn't need
any

935
01:20:51,120 --> 01:20:58,159
Improvement but we would have to build a
force main okay

936
01:20:55,480 --> 01:21:05,679
then Willow would get its expansion
again I assumed a half a million gallon

937
01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:11,120
expansion that's 14 million by
itself okay today's

938
01:21:09,120 --> 01:21:13,639
dollars Paul actually got a pretty good
chuckle out of me the other day we were

939
01:21:12,480 --> 01:21:18,239
talking
numbers back and and obviously Paul's

940
01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:22,520
got some more experience than I do I
remember back in my Houston days when we

941
01:21:20,040 --> 01:21:29,199
were doing MUD district work uh as a as
a young graduate engineer you know we

942
01:21:26,159 --> 01:21:33,480
were told to assume $3 per gallon on a
wastewater treatment plant now I was not

943
01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:37,320
naive enough to ask Paul if that was
still the number I knew better than that

944
01:21:35,400 --> 01:21:40,679
but I did think it was what did I say10
to15 a gallon I think is what I said

945
01:21:39,360 --> 01:21:45,120
this is it's got to probably a little
bit higher than that right and he said

946
01:21:42,239 --> 01:21:49,520
uh it's a little higher than that yeah
it's more like 21 to

947
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:56,480
2425 per
gallon so mind you that

948
01:21:52,800 --> 01:22:00,280
scenarios get us through what population
number this what year this will take you

949
01:21:58,400 --> 01:22:05,560
through the 30-year
window that we studied so through

950
01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:11,400
expansion we can handle a 30-year window
according these assumptions right but if

951
01:22:08,320 --> 01:22:14,800
something else goes yeah and you know in
to to your point as far as if if other

952
01:22:13,360 --> 01:22:18,440
things were developed and and it's hard
to go back one map

953
01:22:19,520 --> 01:22:23,520
here oops

954
01:22:25,480 --> 01:22:34,000
Murphy's
Law so one of the limitations that we we

955
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:39,600
kind of looked at is obviously you have
71 right but there's also some flood

956
01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:43,320
plane that's that's present out here
that's going to make it a little bit

957
01:22:40,639 --> 01:22:47,400
more difficult and and to your to a
certain extent where do you stop right

958
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:51,440
you got to you got to make some kind of
an assumption the reality is if you

959
01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:56,920
start getting out here too far and it's
still now become the city of Smithville

960
01:22:54,120 --> 01:22:59,760
uh all of us look down from heaven uh
you know there's a good possibility

961
01:22:58,320 --> 01:23:04,280
you're building a new waste treatment
plant somewhere other than trying to get

962
01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:10,120
it all the way to where it is today
where where I am trying to make the

963
01:23:06,440 --> 01:23:17,159
connection is is if we've got the
650 known whatever it is then that's a

964
01:23:14,360 --> 01:23:22,880
40% increase in population so if we're
assuming two 3% population growth that's

965
01:23:20,320 --> 01:23:28,400
blown out of water right there correct
we got a 40 50% growth now base two or

966
01:23:25,679 --> 01:23:31,760
three% on on top of that yeah the 2.8%
on top of that but I've done all that

967
01:23:30,199 --> 01:23:37,600
and that's actually that's actually I'm
still within if I do that 650 and I grow

968
01:23:34,440 --> 01:23:40,480
at 2.8% thereafter I'm still good with
what I'm giving you that makes me feel

969
01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:44,760
better thank
you like like Paul said we like to be

970
01:23:42,880 --> 01:23:47,760
conservative
so

971
01:23:48,040 --> 01:23:55,040
um so I guess uh in wrapping up kind of
looking at the

972
01:23:52,239 --> 01:23:59,480
estimates um again the scenario 2 had to
involve still involved the the willow

973
01:23:57,280 --> 01:24:03,440
expansion but it also involved the GLE
expansion and the trunk line number five

974
01:24:01,239 --> 01:24:08,480
so that's really your biggest changes
and it might be decent to note by taking

975
01:24:06,920 --> 01:24:14,480
I already had to upsize trunk line
number one no matter what okay in either

976
01:24:10,600 --> 01:24:19,880
scenario by taking the new new lift
station and Force main over to it all I

977
01:24:17,560 --> 01:24:24,719
had to do is jump this pipe size up by
one by one increment so it went from a

978
01:24:22,480 --> 01:24:28,480
15 inch to an 18 inch if I remember
right ask you a question this this last

979
01:24:26,600 --> 01:24:33,800
box is system maintenance items this
$3.8 million is that something that we

980
01:24:31,360 --> 01:24:37,120
need to do no matter what today so those
are exactly that that would be

981
01:24:35,440 --> 01:24:40,880
recommendations that which option we
choose we have to do these would be our

982
01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:46,199
recommendations that they need to start
picking those off so so there's 3.8

983
01:24:43,800 --> 01:24:50,880
million in today's dollars that we need
to do now that I would recommend now and

984
01:24:48,480 --> 01:24:56,000
frankly along with with trunk lines one
through three yeah okay so that adds on

985
01:24:53,520 --> 01:25:02,119
to either scenario one or seven scenario
two or if we do trunk Line 1 2 and three

986
01:24:57,880 --> 01:25:06,119
it's plus 3.8 yes
sir so it's about 10

987
01:25:07,880 --> 01:25:11,520
million in today's

988
01:25:12,520 --> 01:25:15,520
dollar

989
01:25:16,080 --> 01:25:22,600
right so that's kind of the I think that
puts a bow tie oh well it doesn't quite

990
01:25:20,679 --> 01:25:28,080
put a bow tie the one thing I guess
obviously we were talking about major

991
01:25:23,840 --> 01:25:32,800
money here right um I think
uh I think you made the comment the

992
01:25:30,480 --> 01:25:36,600
other day Robert that I think y''s
standard Allin year is 15 million that

993
01:25:35,400 --> 01:25:41,920
right somewhere in that
neighborhood so that's obviously not

994
01:25:39,719 --> 01:25:46,480
something that you can handle you know
without some type of a different

995
01:25:44,400 --> 01:25:52,040
Financial
operation you know one thing that uh is

996
01:25:49,480 --> 01:25:57,480
out there that would be recommended is
is impact fees okay and are I don't know

997
01:25:55,080 --> 01:26:01,520
who all is familiar with impact fees
okay but uh that's effectively trying to

998
01:25:59,920 --> 01:26:08,800
put the onus on the people that are
doing the development and not your

999
01:26:03,960 --> 01:26:08,800
residents um so in

1000
01:26:09,440 --> 01:26:18,840
this the idea is it would def that defay
the idea would be to defay your your

1001
01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:25,280
cost ultimately no $7,500 impact fees I
mean that's a half million a million

1002
01:26:21,080 --> 01:26:29,040
bucks right I mean to to to I'm been a
proponent of impact fees I'm just saying

1003
01:26:27,239 --> 01:26:32,400
it's not going to get it done right I
mean to a certain extent yeah I mean

1004
01:26:30,600 --> 01:26:35,600
your growth is probably going to you
know even your residents are probably

1005
01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:41,159
going to feel a squeeze no matter what
at this point the reality being that you

1006
01:26:38,880 --> 01:26:44,920
need the money today you can't wait for
the developer to get here when you don't

1007
01:26:42,639 --> 01:26:49,520
have the infrastructure to to bring them
in um

1008
01:26:46,840 --> 01:26:53,119
so if you want to take the floor a
little on just just a little bit Yeah so

1009
01:26:51,600 --> 01:26:57,280
there are grants out there the Texas
water development board that will help

1010
01:26:54,880 --> 01:27:01,320
with this type of infrastructure uh
Improvement um we have the option to do

1011
01:26:59,440 --> 01:27:05,840
a CFO don't recommend taking it to a
bond impact fees we're already

1012
01:27:03,400 --> 01:27:14,600
investigating and and Jason's doing some
work on that um but this is it's a big

1013
01:27:11,119 --> 01:27:19,760
Bill that U yeah so let me let me ask a
question about this this maintenance is

1014
01:27:16,480 --> 01:27:24,920
$3.8 Million number U let me I'm going
to call it $5 million just because it's

1015
01:27:22,119 --> 01:27:27,360
not we're not doing it today or tomorrow
uh and I think we'd be lucky if it ends

1016
01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:32,040
up being
five that's something that you strongly

1017
01:27:29,840 --> 01:27:38,040
recommend that we need to do now in
order to either be in compliance or to

1018
01:27:35,679 --> 01:27:42,440
avoid being out of compliance which is
probably imminent so there there's a

1019
01:27:40,480 --> 01:27:47,199
variation of things and this is if you
will oversimplified uh simply put so in

1020
01:27:45,639 --> 01:27:53,199
the larger report that we'll be
publishing we'll we'll rank things that

1021
01:27:49,280 --> 01:27:59,239
we deem as being a number one importance
so to your point it needs to be done

1022
01:27:55,119 --> 01:28:03,880
today uh versus maybe a um let's call it
the I think Paul alluded to the lift

1023
01:28:01,360 --> 01:28:09,360
station out at Willow needing some fall
protection into it do you need that

1024
01:28:07,199 --> 01:28:13,760
today I'm sure the guys wouldn't mind
having it but you know what do you want

1025
01:28:12,080 --> 01:28:19,080
to deem as as
being 100% necessary today and at some

1026
01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:23,159
point the almighty dollar is going to
going to have to to come into play so

1027
01:28:21,320 --> 01:28:27,800
what do what do we what do we think I
mean between you and and you I mean what

1028
01:28:25,840 --> 01:28:32,159
what do we think if we agreed that we
needed to do the 3.8 you know with a

1029
01:28:30,679 --> 01:28:37,000
little bit of massaging but a
significant chunk when would we expect

1030
01:28:34,760 --> 01:28:41,639
to have to incur that cost if we wanted
to what does immediate mean to us right

1031
01:28:39,840 --> 01:28:46,800
now does that mean we would be in this
next budget year or the following budget

1032
01:28:44,040 --> 01:28:50,840
year well based upon his projections and
all the factors that he's talked about

1033
01:28:48,960 --> 01:28:55,520
uh it it it's not Doom and Gloom right
now 3 to five years two to three well

1034
01:28:54,199 --> 01:28:59,800
certain certain things probably need to
be I mean you're you're you're flirting

1035
01:28:57,800 --> 01:29:04,960
you're flirting with the disaster right
I mean if the the the blowers go out at

1036
01:29:02,719 --> 01:29:09,199
at at gazley right now you're going to
get tcq breathing down your neck right

1037
01:29:07,480 --> 01:29:13,360
not in this year's budget I it would
have to be we could start looking and

1038
01:29:10,639 --> 01:29:17,280
investigating for FY 2526 the type of
funding in the in in in parallel look

1039
01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:22,560
for the grants look for other
Partnerships to try to look at impact

1040
01:29:19,679 --> 01:29:29,159
fees uh but there was not my intention
to recommend doing this this year here

1041
01:29:25,320 --> 01:29:34,440
um u in the FY 2425 budget
cycle one of the things that I think we

1042
01:29:31,880 --> 01:29:39,480
all I know personally do not want to be
a part of is having this information and

1043
01:29:37,000 --> 01:29:43,920
have have a consultant use words like I
strongly recommend or this is failing

1044
01:29:41,639 --> 01:29:47,080
today and that be on the record and us
not do something the worst thing we can

1045
01:29:46,080 --> 01:29:52,800
have is
teq come out here and get in our sandbox

1046
01:29:51,040 --> 01:29:56,800
um I mean they would be a little easier
on a small town like Smith F then they

1047
01:29:54,560 --> 01:30:01,639
might be on Houston Dallas or Austin not
really but it's still not fine not

1048
01:29:58,960 --> 01:30:07,679
really yeah I I have a question Welly I
hate to say this um if we did the lift

1049
01:30:05,040 --> 01:30:13,760
station and the uh blower piping
overhead crane right there um at the at

1050
01:30:11,119 --> 01:30:19,760
gazley which was about you know it's
under two million I hate to say this

1051
01:30:16,400 --> 01:30:25,080
word if we have a tax note could it go
for

1052
01:30:21,080 --> 01:30:25,080
that uh

1053
01:30:25,719 --> 01:30:36,960
I hate to say it but uh there's other
methods to use CFOs Andor it could yes

1054
01:30:33,560 --> 01:30:40,719
was just a question yeah because while
you have it marked in the tax note you

1055
01:30:39,080 --> 01:30:46,840
could always be you looking for the
grants and other things to fund it to

1056
01:30:43,199 --> 01:30:51,400
move it forward because right
now you know unless you have some other

1057
01:30:49,560 --> 01:30:57,080
kind of funding available to you I don't
see us moving forward as you say Tom

1058
01:30:54,600 --> 01:31:00,880
uh I want I want I want to ask a
question of the

1059
01:30:58,920 --> 01:31:04,239
engineers I want to ask you a question
are you comfortable given what you know

1060
01:31:02,800 --> 01:31:09,000
based on your preliminary study are you
comfortable with us defraying for a year

1061
01:31:06,960 --> 01:31:11,880
doing any work on these items that you
show in the maintenance

1062
01:31:13,239 --> 01:31:21,239
items you've answered my question there
we go I mean you know is this one

1063
01:31:19,360 --> 01:31:27,679
working I guess it's just not as loud as
the other one uh you know to your to the

1064
01:31:24,639 --> 01:31:32,320
machuka and fauler lift station to my
knowledge they've been operating like

1065
01:31:29,280 --> 01:31:32,320
they are today for

1066
01:31:32,440 --> 01:31:39,880
years but at the same time you know what
I've seen in the in even the the trunk

1067
01:31:38,040 --> 01:31:44,239
lines is that technically the trunk
lines are not a size to handle them and

1068
01:31:42,840 --> 01:31:49,000
if you make the improvements you'll gain
a little capacity I would imagine

1069
01:31:46,239 --> 01:31:52,639
absolutely and honestly with a for
instance I was discussing with a

1070
01:31:50,480 --> 01:31:57,679
colleague earlier today with machuka in
particular I I would probably try to

1071
01:31:55,280 --> 01:32:02,040
find a way to ramp down how much flow
it's producing because I don't know that

1072
01:31:59,239 --> 01:32:06,239
it needs to be as high as it is and uh
that's just one example of maybe more

1073
01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:11,000
efficiency that could be
found so what would Robert what would be

1074
01:32:08,719 --> 01:32:15,400
the options if we had to come up with a
financing vehicle for four or five

1075
01:32:12,840 --> 01:32:21,280
million doar that I mean what would be
the grants would be the obvious first

1076
01:32:18,199 --> 01:32:25,080
stop is there a is there a somebody have
in mind that would be the second would

1077
01:32:22,840 --> 01:32:33,560
be a certificate of ation that's what
our um citizens for yes yeah impact fees

1078
01:32:29,960 --> 01:32:39,760
yeah citizens are yeah it the new ones
for developers yeah um a loan or a bond

1079
01:32:37,480 --> 01:32:43,679
which you don't citizens have to pay I'm
just what is the real likelihood of a

1080
01:32:41,679 --> 01:32:46,480
grant for a substantial amount of this
is it pretty low go with Texas water

1081
01:32:45,159 --> 01:32:49,920
development board I mean you've had
experience with them um it's timely

1082
01:32:48,400 --> 01:32:54,520
though I mean it takes some time to get
approval I mean this is clearly a

1083
01:32:52,000 --> 01:32:59,520
resiliency category item I mean you know
you look at you know what that means for

1084
01:32:57,480 --> 01:33:04,320
us in terms of infrastructure and be in
violation and potentially have an

1085
01:33:00,960 --> 01:33:07,159
environmental impacts and all um I would
think that there would be a lot of

1086
01:33:05,560 --> 01:33:11,520
Grants I'm just not familiar with how
successful a town like ours would be at

1087
01:33:08,840 --> 01:33:15,880
getting and to to be clear Texas water
development board you may get some Grant

1088
01:33:14,560 --> 01:33:20,480
but the likelihood it's going to be more
of a loan than it would well Tex one of

1089
01:33:18,840 --> 01:33:29,480
the things I just was telling Robert in
the tml um update there was a uh opening

1090
01:33:25,080 --> 01:33:33,760
of Grant applications from the uh uh one
of the Departments from from federal

1091
01:33:31,760 --> 01:33:36,760
government I think it was agriculture
where they were having Water and

1092
01:33:35,320 --> 01:33:43,000
Wastewater up to
$500,000 grants coming everybody sign up

1093
01:33:40,159 --> 01:33:46,760
for if you wanted them whether you get
those or not I don't know no such thing

1094
01:33:45,040 --> 01:33:50,159
as free money I know there's no such
thing as free money you got to pay it

1095
01:33:48,080 --> 01:33:55,760
back eventually
but huh already over I bet they are

1096
01:33:54,920 --> 01:33:58,440
they are I do want to make a
clarification because there's been some

1097
01:33:57,080 --> 01:34:02,840
terms and things said that you know
we're imminent violation there are

1098
01:34:00,719 --> 01:34:05,960
pieces of this that we would potentially
be fine for because we're not in

1099
01:34:04,320 --> 01:34:11,920
compliance currently but that's not due
to the flow we're talking about problems

1100
01:34:09,000 --> 01:34:16,080
of blowers if tcq did come yeah they
could pop us for that and we're in the

1101
01:34:13,239 --> 01:34:22,040
process of actually fixing the blowers
at at at gazley so I to make make sure

1102
01:34:18,520 --> 01:34:27,119
that's C it's no different than you know
I use another analogy I guess think

1103
01:34:24,199 --> 01:34:30,960
about your storm water situation right
we I don't think there's any secret that

1104
01:34:29,280 --> 01:34:35,199
we know that Smithville has some issues
with storm water right when a 100-year

1105
01:34:32,600 --> 01:34:38,800
Reign events comes we've got issues
right and and we've been trying to chip

1106
01:34:37,119 --> 01:34:43,440
away at those things over the years as
money has become available some of these

1107
01:34:41,560 --> 01:34:47,679
instances such as the trunk Mains and
saying that they don't have the capacity

1108
01:34:45,119 --> 01:34:53,239
are those perfect storms right they are
that 100-year event that 1% annual

1109
01:34:49,960 --> 01:34:57,920
chance of it occurring so can I say that
it it shouldn't be done no you know I

1110
01:34:55,960 --> 01:35:02,199
can't say that but at the same time it
is a perfect storm type situation and

1111
01:35:00,199 --> 01:35:06,920
that happened in Harvey right so to be
honest but again I want to clarify we

1112
01:35:04,280 --> 01:35:12,880
are not in in anywhere near being
violated for the 75% rule at this time

1113
01:35:10,920 --> 01:35:17,679
including the projected short-term
growth corre want to make sure that's

1114
01:35:14,360 --> 01:35:21,760
clear no yeah at the same time for my
colleagues putting it out there I I

1115
01:35:19,840 --> 01:35:25,679
personally don't want us to put this off
for a year and maybe it's an agenda item

1116
01:35:23,440 --> 01:35:30,199
and next month or two where we can do a
subcommittee or task force and get with

1117
01:35:27,880 --> 01:35:35,480
you guys and do some more in-depth
because we got to educate ourselves more

1118
01:35:32,119 --> 01:35:38,080
I mean y'all done a great job but sure
more

1119
01:35:36,159 --> 01:35:41,880
inform well just to give it a
perspective $5 million without even

1120
01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:45,960
taking into account interest you know
over a five or a seven year period is

1121
01:35:43,679 --> 01:35:50,520
750 to a million dollars a year
repayment with no interest being

1122
01:35:47,960 --> 01:35:55,800
included so that's about 5 to 7% of our
annual budget today so when you talk

1123
01:35:52,679 --> 01:36:00,520
about a per increase in the budget you
know that would be enough probably to

1124
01:35:58,080 --> 01:36:03,840
pretty close to to amortise this because
most of those loans I think are probably

1125
01:36:02,119 --> 01:36:08,639
five do they go 10 years will they go
out 10 years on those loans the SE the

1126
01:36:05,800 --> 01:36:13,360
SE of they can go 25 and 30 on a
certific o infastructure like this yeah

1127
01:36:10,639 --> 01:36:19,719
okay and that's what we did with the uh
uh the Water Tower rehab it was a $3

1128
01:36:15,600 --> 01:36:23,199
million uh CFO and well that even makes
I mean I would I mean I don't know what

1129
01:36:21,679 --> 01:36:29,119
everybody else thinks I would love to
see it as soon as possible a $5 million

1130
01:36:26,560 --> 01:36:33,320
number with just a loan rep whatever
come up with some kind of standard

1131
01:36:30,400 --> 01:36:37,320
repayment a 20-year 25 years 6% interest
whatever 5% pick some interest rate and

1132
01:36:35,480 --> 01:36:41,600
show us what it would be in debt service
per year to that point I already have

1133
01:36:39,159 --> 01:36:48,679
Samco working on something if indeed you
had had chosen to send me I when we talk

1134
01:36:44,880 --> 01:36:51,960
about prioritize PRI budget By Priority
if it's a half a million dollars a year

1135
01:36:50,520 --> 01:36:57,679
and it sounds like it may even be less
than that if we can go 20 or 30 years on

1136
01:36:54,159 --> 01:37:02,199
the repayment then um you know we can
find uh two or three or $400,000 of

1137
01:37:00,440 --> 01:37:07,400
savings in our existing budgets where we
still have a net zero impact to Citizens

1138
01:37:05,280 --> 01:37:11,360
yeah with the CFO typically I'm sorry go
ahead well I mean Monday night we talked

1139
01:37:09,600 --> 01:37:15,960
about another 5 to 700,000 we're going
to need in two or three years for the

1140
01:37:13,880 --> 01:37:20,679
alley work I mean maybe we can lump that
in but we've got some major projects

1141
01:37:17,920 --> 01:37:25,639
that we have not funded with typical
CFOs you have to identify a repayment

1142
01:37:23,199 --> 01:37:31,159
source course and with the last one we
did with the water tower refurbishment

1143
01:37:28,000 --> 01:37:35,920
uh we uh the repayment was
$5.75 cents a month on everyone's

1144
01:37:33,880 --> 01:37:38,400
utility bill so you see that on your
bills now and that's going to be

1145
01:37:37,000 --> 01:37:43,159
happening for the next 20 years to pay
back the three point you know aized uh

1146
01:37:41,360 --> 01:37:46,679
monies that we borrowed so you can
identify something like that but there's

1147
01:37:45,159 --> 01:37:50,960
going to be citizen impact if you take a
c

1148
01:37:47,639 --> 01:37:54,480
ofo well not if you reduce uh expenses
somewhere else in the budget oh agree

1149
01:37:52,400 --> 01:37:58,880
agre and and it can Net Zero we just
have to prioritize it I would think that

1150
01:37:56,280 --> 01:38:03,760
most people would well maybe not but I
would certainly prioritize something

1151
01:38:00,639 --> 01:38:09,000
that was near term out of compliance all
of this stuff is going to be needed to

1152
01:38:05,719 --> 01:38:13,040
be done regardless of what we do I mean
in in option one or two I mean it's

1153
01:38:10,679 --> 01:38:18,119
something we have to do period
right it's going to take a great deal of

1154
01:38:15,520 --> 01:38:24,320
of we need to make a a really big effort
to educate the public on the need so

1155
01:38:22,000 --> 01:38:28,639
whatever measures that we have to take
um don't come as too much of a shock and

1156
01:38:26,800 --> 01:38:32,760
we haven't gone through this year's
budget yet there's we don't know exactly

1157
01:38:30,320 --> 01:38:36,440
what we're going to come up with I think
in our conversations in comparison to

1158
01:38:34,599 --> 01:38:41,199
other municipalities we're ahead of the
curve as to what y'all are planning

1159
01:38:39,080 --> 01:38:46,639
forther ahead than than many I'll say
that but that doesn't mean we can take

1160
01:38:43,400 --> 01:38:46,639
off our foot off the

1161
01:38:47,440 --> 01:38:55,920
sure yeah you have to get you have to
Mike I'm sorry I just going to say to

1162
01:38:54,119 --> 01:39:00,880
Tom to
to you're talking about the Texas water

1163
01:38:58,119 --> 01:39:06,199
develop board and TDA and all them and
Jill can test this too uh I mean bottom

1164
01:39:04,159 --> 01:39:10,119
line even if we started the process
right now we're two years

1165
01:39:07,719 --> 01:39:14,400
out absolutely I mean before you get any
funding and you can start construction

1166
01:39:12,080 --> 01:39:18,719
so to answer your question we can look
into that yeah but well and that's the

1167
01:39:16,960 --> 01:39:23,760
point is whether it's construction
design or soliciting funds this is not

1168
01:39:21,639 --> 01:39:29,080
something that happens in 90 to 100 20
days this is a multi- budget cycle

1169
01:39:26,599 --> 01:39:33,560
process and if we don't start that in
Earnest right now even though we may not

1170
01:39:31,599 --> 01:39:38,000
expect to pay for it in this budget
cycle I think we need to start it um

1171
01:39:36,520 --> 01:39:41,280
most definitely right away and if
there's design dollars or engineering

1172
01:39:39,719 --> 01:39:46,080
dollars that we need to spend then those
dollars should be in this this budget if

1173
01:39:44,280 --> 01:39:50,239
if they're not in there already I mean
you need to have the funds that you need

1174
01:39:48,040 --> 01:39:54,520
to spend with Design
Consultants Sam whoever it is that you

1175
01:39:52,560 --> 01:39:59,800
think you need to contract with once you
make the decision of the funding source

1176
01:39:56,760 --> 01:40:05,280
for example certificate of obligation um
you pull the trigger Sam C can have it

1177
01:40:01,880 --> 01:40:10,480
in next year's budget
yeah so you and then you can start

1178
01:40:08,080 --> 01:40:17,719
allocating design rfps rfqs to get
people to come in to Do What U Chad is

1179
01:40:15,800 --> 01:40:22,800
recommending I'll touch one more thing
as far as uh impact fees go um just with

1180
01:40:21,440 --> 01:40:27,280
some recent experience that I've had
with a client

1181
01:40:23,880 --> 01:40:33,159
that's done a development in Bastrop so
Bastrop has impact fees that have been

1182
01:40:29,599 --> 01:40:38,159
set and long story short in essence to
build a single family home in Bastrop is

1183
01:40:35,440 --> 01:40:43,599
going to cost you 15 I think it was
$15,000 per house in Impact fees yeah

1184
01:40:41,639 --> 01:40:47,440
have you done stuff in the Bron Falls it
gets a lot higher it's ridiculous I mean

1185
01:40:45,679 --> 01:40:51,840
they're all taking this philosophy that
developers are going to pay 100% or as

1186
01:40:49,400 --> 01:40:56,280
close to 100% of the cost as they can
and uh you know when you look around you

1187
01:40:53,679 --> 01:41:00,719
say well why are homes unaffordable you
know it's not any one thing it's a death

1188
01:40:58,800 --> 01:41:06,639
by a Thousand Cuts and that's a pretty
deep cut 15 to 20,000 for an impact fee

1189
01:41:03,440 --> 01:41:10,520
for a one house and you know my
understanding is Bastrop is looking at

1190
01:41:09,040 --> 01:41:14,800
going back to the drawing board on
theirs which would imply they're not as

1191
01:41:12,960 --> 01:41:20,599
high as they want it to be or need it to
be rather

1192
01:41:17,599 --> 01:41:20,599
so

1193
01:41:21,360 --> 01:41:28,800
so I have a question Rob ber uh you said
the parts for the blower blower parts

1194
01:41:26,840 --> 01:41:33,159
have been ordered how much does that
cost and where's that money come it's

1195
01:41:30,560 --> 01:41:41,159
actually a a warranty item Edward isn't
it it's a new it's a

1196
01:41:36,679 --> 01:41:45,880
new yeah supply chain so yeah this is
covered it we put it in a year a year

1197
01:41:43,040 --> 01:41:50,239
ago a year and a half and it crapped out
and so we're trying to get that

1198
01:41:47,639 --> 01:41:54,960
replacement so it's already covered and
do you think that we should immediately

1199
01:41:52,760 --> 01:41:59,760
start look looking at these industrial
users and see what impact they have

1200
01:41:58,119 --> 01:42:05,920
that's that's part of a plan we'll we'll
probably schedule or um uh get befco or

1201
01:42:04,000 --> 01:42:11,480
someone to come take some samples
Upstream Downstream see what what's

1202
01:42:08,520 --> 01:42:16,360
happening so an industrial users do we
have besides bone spirits and the uh

1203
01:42:14,040 --> 01:42:21,199
Smithville lockers classifying
industrial

1204
01:42:18,000 --> 01:42:25,239
um if you're including the um uh the
hospital that's not industrial but large

1205
01:42:23,800 --> 01:42:33,520
users you're asking right
non-residential it's all the typical

1206
01:42:29,679 --> 01:42:33,520
suspects syex doesn't

1207
01:42:38,239 --> 01:42:46,040
drop we can reserve an agenda item for
next meeting to a general item to bring

1208
01:42:42,800 --> 01:42:50,360
this back up sure you'll have the final
you'll still be working on the final

1209
01:42:47,360 --> 01:42:54,119
report and right yeah so from here you
know hearing anything that we heard

1210
01:42:52,719 --> 01:42:59,239
we'll probably get back in touch with
Robert have a little brief conversation

1211
01:42:56,280 --> 01:43:03,599
with him and then yeah our plan is to
within the next month have a final or

1212
01:43:01,639 --> 01:43:06,440
you know a final draft if you will
probably put that in front of City staff

1213
01:43:05,159 --> 01:43:09,840
let them review it see if there's
anything that they think we need to

1214
01:43:07,920 --> 01:43:15,119
elaborate on and then we'll we'll sign
it to so Council and mayor if you would

1215
01:43:13,040 --> 01:43:19,000
vote on that to go
research certificate of obligations for

1216
01:43:17,840 --> 01:43:23,679
$5
million send me on that you want a

1217
01:43:20,800 --> 01:43:29,199
motion I'll make a motion mayor that we
direct the city manager to go do the

1218
01:43:25,400 --> 01:43:34,080
necessary research to explore a CO or
other similar financing source for a

1219
01:43:30,800 --> 01:43:38,040
five million do expenditure to bring the
gazley up to speed I'll

1220
01:43:40,040 --> 01:43:46,639
second motion's been made in second it
all in

1221
01:43:43,800 --> 01:43:51,800
favor Jennifer are you good can I ask
one more question when you do the final

1222
01:43:48,320 --> 01:43:57,320
report could you be as elaborative and
as specific as you comfortable being uh

1223
01:43:55,080 --> 01:44:02,800
about the current situation what the
risk are for us so we have enough

1224
01:44:00,199 --> 01:44:08,960
professional input that allows us to
make a decision as a governing body sure

1225
01:44:05,239 --> 01:44:14,119
thank you before you close Chad Paul
outstanding work this is phenomenal

1226
01:44:11,599 --> 01:44:14,119
amount of

1227
01:44:15,440 --> 01:44:19,560
work I'm sorry

1228
01:44:23,360 --> 01:44:29,760
well camera I prer to go yeah so people

1229
01:44:34,480 --> 01:44:45,040
know Robert patillo at 606 Short Street
um I have just one question because I I

1230
01:44:41,560 --> 01:44:49,119
have no idea whether whoever whether
your projections what your or your

1231
01:44:47,440 --> 01:44:55,400
source of your projections are taking
into are taking into account SE

1232
01:44:51,960 --> 01:45:01,719
increasing civil uh sea level
rise um with increasing sea level rise

1233
01:44:59,440 --> 01:45:08,480
won't that also increase population
growth out of

1234
01:45:04,239 --> 01:45:08,480
necessity that's those are my my two

1235
01:45:09,320 --> 01:45:17,040
questions so I guess relative to those
questions I would

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say you know befco looked as far as
growth rates are concerned at other

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sources if you will that are more in
tune to rejecting those things than we

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are and I certainly can't speak to
whether or not they Incorporated that

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that thought process in those um I would
like to think in some ways our growth

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rate is is conservative but at the same
time I thought vast drop's growth rates

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were overly conservative when I looked
at those back in 2017 and I'm fairly

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confident they went past those
thresholds um as as as far as any other

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impacts U groundwater wise obviously
we're we're much we are higher than sea

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level as far as that goes and any
groundwater impacts we are one of the

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things that I'm still working on the
cost estimate is my understanding is one

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of the the couple lines that led over to
Willow when they were first constructed

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did run into groundwater issues when
those were constructed um trying to get

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a better idea of what that cost may be
when we were to go in and and try to

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replace those lines so as far as you but
that's not necessarily gerine to a sea

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level thought process

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that was my best
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