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[5:01] yes all right here we go city of
Smithville special called council
[5:07] meeting and workshop July 10 2024 notice
is hereby given pursuant to Texas open
[5:13] Vernon's annotated civil statute article
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[5:16] 25217 that the city of Smithville will
conduct a special called council meeting
[5:20] and workshop on July 10th 2024 at 5:00 P
p.m. in the council chambers of City
[5:28] Hall 317 Main Street Smithville I called
a meeting to
[5:33] order we will have a presentation from
befco engineer on Wastewater expansion
[5:38] study would you please introduce
yourself sure my name is Chad Amel with
[5:42] befco engineering and I have with me uh
Paul wood with laen who is also on the
[5:47] project with us
[5:51] welcome let it
rip good oh I I'm just making sure
[5:58] you're good I'll start off all right
making sure auctioner style okay so
[6:03] first thing I'm gonna do everybody has a
packet okay and by and large I'm gonna
[6:08] it's somewhat of an outline somewhat of
a summary so some of it I'm have to read
[6:12] because it's more information than I can
retain uh some of it will be kind of an
[6:16] overview of it all the exhibits are in
front of you uh there are some uh other
[6:21] tables and different things that we'll
get to as we go through the the report
[6:25] so um just bear with me so first things
first just kind of an overview
[6:30] of the study itself so the first thing
we looked at was an evaluation of the
[6:34] existing systems metrics and what I mean
by that is for instance the wastewater
[6:38] treatment plant trying to figure out
what the average daily flow rate of each
[6:42] plant is today and the sewer strength
associated with that flow we also looked
[6:48] at the average daily flow per home or
Lue living unit equivalent we'll get
[6:54] into all these more in detail here in a
little bit but uh we also looked at a
[6:58] wet weather peaking Factor or otherwise
known as simply a peaking Factor then we
[7:03] evaluated the existing infrastructure so
the condition physical condition of the
[7:07] wastewater treatment plants and also the
collection system any known issues that
[7:12] might be there we also looked at the
development of future growth assumptions
[7:17] so how many people per household does
Smith they have uh the estimated 30-year
[7:22] growth rate for the city uh created a
development map and assumed development
[7:27] density for the uh for the
area then we looked at identifying
[7:32] infrastructure system needs to deal with
that future growth so evaluated existing
[7:38] lines and collection routes approximated
necess necessary line sizes and
[7:43] identified Waste Water treatment plant
maintenance needs and expansion needs
[7:47] and then finally we have our
recommendations so what we believe might
[7:51] be immediate recommendations as far as
maintenance goes and INF infrastructure
[7:56] Improvement triggers and then of course
Associated costs with those so we'll
[8:01] Dive Right In so again started off with
an evaluation of the existing systems
[8:06] metrics so in trying to determine what
the wastewater treatment plants average
[8:12] daily flow rate actually is today we
gathered data from 2018 to 2023 and
[8:18] that's daily flow records from City
staff that they record on a daily basis
[8:22] we tabulated those then we pulled LC
rain gauge data and removed any apparent
[8:29] rain days so if we if we look at uh this
these two charts or graphs if you will
[8:36] are uh a representation of all that
information so you have the blue lines
[8:42] are your monthly rain totals your red
line is what the city staff uh recorded
[8:49] on a daily basis and your black line is
what we call the adjusted average so for
[8:56] instance this is this line is one of the
Prime examples ex so in May of 21 there
[9:01] was a lot of rain okay so you can see
the amount of of rain that was getting
[9:06] into the system so we're trying to pull
that out to find out what really is the
[9:11] average of the Wastewater coming in not
just storm sewer or storm water excuse
[9:15] me and that's what the black line
represents so overall what we tried to
[9:21] do then is there was some
inconsistencies with gazoline we had
[9:25] brought that to the attention of the
city uh back what was that uh 21 Robert
[9:30] 22 when we did uh some other work and
what I think the city went and
[9:35] calibrated some of their equipment and
found that we got some really good data
[9:39] now the last three years so we used that
data to come up with an actual uh
[9:47] average so the results is gazley
wastewater treatment plant is around
[9:52] about 162,000 gallons per day and Willow
is 141,000 gallons per day
[10:00] so that was the flow component we also
need to figure out what the strength of
[10:04] the sewage coming into the plant or the
plants are so there was sampling done in
[10:09] front of each uh influent coming into
each plant and those things were were
[10:14] measured as well as looking at some of
the historical records associated with
[10:18] that and that's both of these things are
critical in determining the
[10:22] effectiveness of the plants how they
operate um and relative to their permit
[10:28] so we'll dive into that that a little
bit
[10:31] later so then we also looked at the
average daily flow per home or living
[10:36] unit equivalent so the definition of a
living unit equivalent is defined as the
[10:40] typical sanitary sewer flow that comes
from one single family home and a
[10:45] typical
subdivision it's an easy way to produce
[10:48] an equivalency amongst land uses so one
house is one Lue okay uh think about the
[10:54] Comfort Cafe here in town equivalency
for them would be five Lu
[10:59] okay and we looked at Water records to
to determine that the sparkling clean
[11:04] car wash 17 Lue okay so it's like
there's 17 houses sitting on that lot
[11:10] and then the tower's nursing home would
be 31 Lue okay so all these things
[11:16] become critical we add those Lue
together and it helps us correlate
[11:19] potential demand of a development and
and then turn around and analyze the
[11:24] capital Improvement needs or or the
infrastructure needs that might be there
[11:29] to convey that type of
flow and then of course it can actually
[11:33] let you go backwards too right we had to
do this infrastructure for this
[11:38] development therefore that development
caused us this type of economic impact
[11:42] right Financial
[11:47] impact so that we took uh so in order to
let's
[11:51] see so now we we're drilling down into
figuring out what the city's Lue is what
[11:57] that number is and that number is is a
gallons per day per Lu so that's what
[12:02] we're trying to figure out so we used we
had all this data already set up we
[12:06] started we then took the city's water
meters which are uh put in because of
[12:10] the meter reading system that's here
those are Geor referenced okay so we can
[12:15] look at GIS and determine which
connections are in which sewershed of
[12:20] each plant okay we then took the high
water users for instance the towers
[12:26] nursing home or the sparkling clean car
wash and we take their flow out of the
[12:31] plant okay because we're really trying
to boil it Down to What A House Is Not
[12:35] What a commercial property is so we take
those out both from the flow standpoint
[12:40] and also the connection standpoint and
then you divide right take your what
[12:44] water is left by the number of Lue
that's left or the number of connections
[12:48] that are left and you come up with an
Lue what we found was an average roughly
[12:55] between the two plants of about 135
gallons per day per Lue now we don't
[13:00] want to go just with that number right
because that's we want to be a little
[13:03] bit more conservative with that we don't
want to be trying to hit it right on the
[13:06] nails so after some discussion with the
city we elected to go with 185 gallons
[13:12] per day per
Lue now as far as that 135 number befco
[13:18] has done some other work with other
municipalities and have found that that
[13:23] 135 number plus or minus is about what
we find the water typical water usage of
[13:28] a house so if you look look at your
water usage over a month and divide your
[13:31] days you're liable to find that you're
somewhere in that neck of the woods
[13:35] right now maybe you have irrigation so
that might complicate things but because
[13:39] obviously that's not going down the
sewer
[13:42] system to further justify that metric of
185 we also looked at tcq and although
[13:49] tcq doesn't give you an exact number
what they do tell you is that the
[13:53] typical person uses about 75 to 100
gallons per day
[14:01] the US Census Bureau says that
Smithville has about 2.5 persons per
[14:05] household so if you do that math you're
looking at somewhere between 187.5 to
[14:10] 200 gallons 250 gallons per day per
connection so we're kind of right there
[14:15] at the bottom of that range and that's a
good thing because to be honest some of
[14:18] TC Q's numbers are a little Antiquated
they're a little slow to move with you
[14:22] know low FL low volume toilets and
different things that have have come
[14:26] about so we don't use as much water as
we used to
[14:31] okay so next thing was peaking Factor so
in a peaking factor is when you have uh
[14:36] basically two different things are
occurring everybody's or well a number
[14:39] of things can happen to create a peaking
factor it's raining outside okay
[14:44] unfortunately there's holes in our sewer
lines water gets into them so that's a
[14:48] bad thing but it happens okay every
Community you're not special in that
[14:52] sense then you're at home maybe in the
evening you're cooking supper you got
[14:56] the kiddos taking a shower you're
washing clothes right and at the same
[15:00] time there's another family out eating
at the restaurant and they're washing
[15:03] dishes so you have all these different
things happening at the same time and
[15:06] that can create a peak right so you have
es and flows on a daily basis you have
[15:12] more flow at those Peaks everybody 10:
a.m. in the morning everybody's at work
[15:16] not eating at restaurants nobody's
washing clothes to speak of so you kind
[15:19] of get the low right so we're looking at
the peak because at the end of the day
[15:23] our infrastructure has to be able to
convey those
[15:26] Peaks ultimately what we looked and the
other thing look at is we have all this
[15:30] data right through the plants so we can
look at these Peaks for instance right
[15:35] here right or right here so the plant
has to be able to also handle those
[15:40] Peaks so what we found was
roughly kind of the worst case situation
[15:46] would be a peaking factor of
four so now you have 135 gallon excuse
[15:52] me 185 gallons per day per connection
times four is what that one house in
[15:57] theory could produce
[16:04] okay all right so next we looked at the
existing infrastructure okay so U
[16:12] obviously the one of the biggest
components is your wasar treatment plant
[16:15] that's where everything has to go at the
end of the day so L was part of bef Go's
[16:20] team to evaluate each plant uh the
components the setup identify choke
[16:25] points any limitations identify
maintenance repairs and up great
[16:29] requirements so uh with that I want to
hand it over to Paul and let him go
[16:33] through
[16:36] those um good evening um I'm Paul wood
with with L um so we looked at the uh
[16:43] the two uh wastewater treatment plants
the willow plant the gazley plant and
[16:47] the machuka lift station um the willow
plant um we have both Aerials
[16:56] here that's all right
ah I don't know how you're set up okay
[17:02] so uh Willow plants uh across freeway um
is the newer plant and it was
[17:07] constructed in 98 and the gazley plants
your your older plant here in town and
[17:13] it was constructed in uh the mid-70s and
it was rehabbed at some point in time
[17:18] we're not sure when but when you go look
at it uh you can tell that there's uh um
[17:24] some variation uh piping that was was
changed um at some point in time
[17:29] um but uh that's about where we are on
those um so the when I don't really want
[17:36] to go into depth on this stuff because
because I really like wastewater
[17:39] treatment plants and I know everybody
else you know is I'm I'm talking words
[17:44] you know but uh basically what's going
on with a waste water treatment plant is
[17:48] youve just got several components in it
that that treat the water so the first
[17:50] thing you've got is a lift station lifts
the water up into the plant you've got
[17:54] the irration basins that's basically
where you're uh doing the biological
[17:57] treatment you're putting air into the
base Basin and and and uh degrading the
[18:01] B you got a clarifier where you separate
the bugs from the water the water the
[18:06] clarified water goes to a chlorination
Basin and then out the effluent the bugs
[18:10] that are settled go to uh a a digestor
and then to your uh U Sledge drawing
[18:17] basins so when he talks about uh the um
looking at the components and looking
[18:22] for these choke points um ideally all
those pieces the irration basins the
[18:27] clarifiers the chlorination basins are
all sized for the same same amount um of
[18:32] of flow and is what we're talking about
on there um what we found in the let me
[18:38] kind of go uh by plant here so that
we're talking the same same language Al
[18:43] on the willow plant that that actually
looked to be the case so Willows uh uh
[18:48] is actually like I said was a neur plant
um and is actually in relatively decent
[18:54] sh shape good shape even though it's you
know getting on to be almost a um 30
[18:59] years old um it's it's in it's in
relatively decent shape but it does need
[19:03] some does need a little love and
attention um uh going through it uh as
[19:10] we say the air Iration basins have uh uh
enough capacity but there's some piping
[19:15] issues where a lot of things are rusting
out right now and like I say so this is
[19:19] time to start going in and looking at
maintenance uh the blowers
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um the way that the load is is is
[19:28] calculated on this plant um Engineers
are extremely conservative at all times
[19:33] um so if you were to take the worst case
situation basically all your blowers
[19:37] would have to be running um at the same
time in order to to meet the air demands
[19:42] and Engineers don't like that Engineers
want you to have a spare blower if
[19:45] something goes wrong um that's probably
I won't say it's outside of the realm a
[19:50] possibilities happen because because it
can and that's why we're engineers and
[19:53] we're conservative but uh so we would
recommend that you kind of resize the
[19:57] blowers it's like I say they're probably
hit their you know their 20-year
[20:00] lifespan and Beyond um it's time to
start looking at at that and if you do
[20:05] let's look at resizing the blowers and
making it so you have a fourth blower uh
[20:09] available for for a spare
um clarifier again it's it size to the
[20:16] right size um LT station it looked to be
in pretty good shape uh for health and
[20:21] safety You' probably want to put in fall
protection uh in the lift station
[20:27] um the eone station again uh looks like
it's it's in decent shape uh there's
[20:33] there's some questions about uh the
retrieval equipment and whatnot for the
[20:36] E
probably about that and the Sledge
[20:41] drawing beds they The Operators are
sorry
[20:48] died I can I can
[20:53] yell okay good enough um they'll pick me
up up on one with the other mics um the
[21:01] uh Sledge drawing bids there's an
operational problem with how the design
[21:05] was originally done so the operators
having a problem actually uh doing their
[21:10] jobs in those and so the Sledge uh
doesn't come off the walls the way they
[21:15] have to go in there with a thank you um
uh with their their front end loader and
[21:20] so uh that needs to kind of be be fixed
um so all in all like I say there's
[21:26] there's probably more in depth than than
I've given you but gazley is in decent
[21:30] shape needs some needs a little TLC
though go ahead will will I'm sorry my
[21:35] bad I I was reading the next one in
it you say recommend the either a
[21:40] filtering dumpster or install a screw
press which would you which would you
[21:45] think would be
best you're the expert I would say go
[21:50] rent a filtering dumpster and see how
well it works uh and then if if okay if
[21:55] it if it if it works well it's a it a
cheaper option the the the screw press
[22:01] is a more expensive option but it's a
it's it's a good option too but the the
[22:05] filtering dumpster is a uh a good method
as long as it works with the sledge that
[22:11] you're generating so they can be rented
they can be rented okay
[22:15] yeah um Harwell could probably point you
to the right
[22:20] people um Dragon systems probably has
them um so gazley plant um gazley plant
[22:27] was like I said constructed in the 70s
did some work uh there um uh Chad says
[22:33] that you know the original plant was
that it replaced um was probably built
[22:36] in the 50s and there's probably some
pieces there that that are um um from
[22:40] the original plant um gazley needs not
just a little love and attention it
[22:46] needs a it needs a whole lot of love and
attention um the the lift station
[22:53] is nonfunctional basically it's it's
it's a yeah it's it's it's the pumps are
[23:00] outside of it and it's and it's and it's
in in very poor shape um oh for the uh
[23:08] common people out here and anybody new
can you explain what a lift station does
[23:11] sure lift station is exactly that it
basically takes the sewage from the
[23:14] sewers and lifts it up into the plant
and so uh has some pumps on it and uh um
[23:21] when it gets to a certain level pumps
turn on pumps it down lifts it up into
[23:25] the into the treatment plant and it
flows by gravity down we like to we like
[23:28] to use gravity whenever we can
but
[23:33] exactly
[23:38] um okay so so the sizing on this plant
was a little difficult also uh the so we
[23:45] talked about flow and and the pieces
being built so that the the flow can
[23:49] handle all the pieces and you're and
you're okay um you also have what they
[23:54] call a load and the load is basically
the concentration of your waist times
[23:58] the flow rate and it basically in
equates to a pounds of of bod or ammonia
[24:03] that you're that you're having to treat
um because there are you have industrial
[24:07] users on this on this plant um there are
implications of whether or not the load
[24:13] that the plant is treating is actually
um the normal assumed load that TCEQ
[24:19] uses that they would assume for a normal
U Municipal type seage treatment plant
[24:24] um and the flow that it gets um the data
we got
[24:29] was inconsistent with what the operators
were telling us and uh from from what we
[24:36] were seeing and whatnot we think that
the load may be higher we strongly
[24:40] recommend that you do a a more detailed
um
[24:46] uh study on on the uh the concentration
lows and flows going into that plant um
[24:53] because it's hard to tell otherwise
what's actually going on um and so we've
[24:57] made some assump ions and whatnot and uh
they're there's some implications on
[25:04] that um the other thing about gazley uh
that is the the point we're trying to
[25:10] make here on on number one where Iration
Basin is potentially under siiz to meet
[25:15] the permitted threshold so
um if the loads are actually higher
[25:21] than the the normal assume loads for uh
the the strength of waste that the TCEQ
[25:28] assumes U those variation basins may be
too small um if with the the study
[25:33] proves that the actual concentrations
are okay you're you're fine um the the
[25:41] other point in in gazley is that the
units are not consistent with flow okay
[25:46] that that plant is permitted at a at a
0. five uh million gallons per day and
[25:52] um the AR the clarifier excuse me that
uh we did the calculations for it and
[25:57] there's an suent overflow rate that you
have on clarifiers of a gallon per day
[26:01] per square foot that is not what the
clarifier is presently sized at and so
[26:07] it is it is dramatically less than than
that the
[26:12] clar yeah um so it's go ahead further
again for the simple people like me as
[26:20] they work together you've got the lift
station The Pump Station the clarifier
[26:24] the Sledge dry bed and all that stuff
just can like more time 15 seconds can
[26:27] you just
this is how this all comes together sure
[26:31] so basically what you got is the lift
station
[26:34] is here and it pumps over into the
irration Basin on this side of the uh of
[26:40] the plant this is the irration Basin and
it comes over here it flows into the
[26:45] clarifier so the Iration Basin it's all
mixed all the the bugs the the bacteria
[26:49] that are actually doing the degradation
with the air of the bod that's coming
[26:53] into the plant um is all mixed and and
fairly uniform in this Basin it then
[26:58] flows over into the center ring and uh
um that's the clarifier and so clarifier
[27:03] does exactly that it clarifies water
from the solids by gravity so the the
[27:08] solids fall the liquid stays on top and
then it overflows and goes into the
[27:13] chlorination chamber which is right here
and then this flows to the outfall into
[27:19] the the ditch um the sludge from the
clarifier comes over into this Basin
[27:24] this is a digestor it's held there for a
certain amount of time and then it flows
[27:29] in a liquid state into the Sledge drying
beds and uh just evaporation uh you wind
[27:35] up with dry
solid thank you that is waste water
[27:41] 101 I have a question certain Robert do
we own any extra land around that uh or
[27:48] is there room for like if we needed
bigger beds things could they be put on
[27:52] that property
[27:56] or so that all all answered that in part
because the yellow line that you see
[28:01] that is the boundary of of the property
that the city owns oh thank you I didn't
[28:05] okay thank you very much for that so the
but the problem that's that's actually
[28:11] the creek basically right right above
right above the big tree that you see
[28:15] you know that's basically the creek
there so the room you see is the room
[28:17] that's been cleared and and you don't
have all of that because TCEQ requires
[28:22] that you have a 100 foot 150 foot buffer
zone inside the property limits or you
[28:28] can get easement so you could get an
easement from I assume this is uh
[28:33] property right Tex that's text. freeway
yeah Highway whatever okay so so you
[28:40] that you they're not going to build
houses on this so you basically
[28:44] can get an easement so that they that is
included in the 150 foot you can you can
[28:49] argue that um but to your point you
could also do some rearranging with the
[28:53] drying beds going to a filter press get
rid of the animal shelter exactly there
[28:58] are there are ways to do what we need to
do there's room to expand had to yeah
[29:02] and there's and there's technology it
gets as you try to squeeze as you tries
[29:07] to squeeze you know um um my boss had a
very uh colorful vernacular which I
[29:13] won't I won't tell you some something
about a certain substance in a five
[29:17] pound sack um but uh um when you try to
squeeze things into uh onto small spaces
[29:24] it gets gets more expensive we can go up
too can we not no
[29:28] difficult yes the uh the the Chinese do
that in Singapore they've got a they've
[29:33] got a multi-level wastewater treatment
plant but uh it gets really expensive
[29:37] well and also at American Airlines we
had one and we were up two levels
[29:42] because we didn't have any way to go
yeah easy to do with a sledge drawing
[29:47] and stuff like that with a waste with
the wastewater treatment the the Iration
[29:51] Basin the clarifiers gets gets a lot
more difficult and we'll get into the a
[29:55] little later we'll get into kind of
where you guys stand with the you know
[30:00] how much it has available in it left and
what a kind of a growth might lead to
[30:05] but you're asking really good
questions I appreciate that I really
[30:11] like can I ask a question certainly so
given the
[30:16] undersized uh some the undersizing and
looking like uh there are issues with uh
[30:23] its operation are we then now
non-compliant with tcq as of today you
[30:29] are meeting your discharge
parameters which is what they really
[30:34] care about okay now there's
recordkeeping stuff and and stuff like
[30:38] that tcq also looks at so you've got to
be careful with but you know what
[30:42] they're really looking at is are you
under your discharge limits So currently
[30:47] you're not running at the
the the there's two paramet two there's
[30:52] two flow criteria that they that when
when they hit that's when they start
[30:56] looking at things Okay so
it's it's 70% and uh 95% of your
[31:04] permitted flow capacity so your
primitive flow capacity is half a
[31:08] million gallons a day so um your 70% is
do the math for me real quick
[31:13] 3535 so. 35 million gallons per day and
you're at 0.16 so you're about 50% of
[31:20] your 75% capacity or 45% capacity right
now something in that range 35% I I want
[31:26] to also add that there's some things
that have changed you know we know that
[31:30] the the uh Food Locker plant does
increase the concentration there's been
[31:35] a lot of movement at B parents and I'm
not suggesting that they're the culprit
[31:39] but it's something we need to look into
because if that's the source they need
[31:43] to do some pre-treatment on site that
they haven't been permitted for so just
[31:47] want to point that out too which you
know because as Paul is saying there's
[31:51] there's two components right there's
flow and there's strength and right now
[31:54] the plant was developed for a municipal
strength and what we're seeing is
[31:57] something much higher than that and
that's why the city has a pre-treatment
[32:01] ordinance in place already it just needs
potentially to be enforced to get those
[32:06] flows back down to what would be
considered normal if you will for for
[32:10] municipal plant so that your flow which
you're underneath your permit right no
[32:14] problems there but your concentrations
may get so high that you may start
[32:18] busting some of the other parts the of
the permit so you know enforcement may
[32:23] be more crucial than anything at this
point so Robert as that the ordinance
[32:28] requires pre-treatment at certain
levels if you have an industrial
[32:32] activity that that meets the
requirements yes at the time that bone
[32:36] Spirits initially came here they didn't
have a lot of processing going on
[32:39] distill distillation that may have
changed again I am not saying it's bone
[32:43] spirit is the C I won't even say the
names just place a and place B yeah so
[32:47] yes we do have a pre-treatment
standard so we could take their numbers
[32:51] their contribution out if we required
them to well we would have to go
[32:55] investigate what's going on there and
what kind of what they're putting down
[32:59] the
drain how do yeah how do you
[33:03] determine sample so the best way would
yeah go Upstream Downstream around them
[33:09] right uh whoever they may be and then
you can test those samples to see if if
[33:13] that is the concentration or you know
potentially a
[33:17] culprit how extensive of a change would
have to happen for them to treat there
[33:25] before sending it into our sewer do you
have any idea I have no idea it all
[33:28] depends on the concentration of what
they're doing upstream and downstream
[33:32] we' have to identify that and then for
all the little things that they test for
[33:36] you got to come within under the
parameters so it's something to to look
[33:41] into going forward they just have to
neutralize the the levels of what
[33:45] they're doing so it would be a chemical
treatment for
[33:49] them or something simp yeah exactly so
so that's one component I'm sure Paul
[33:53] will get back to it but you know the
bigger so that's that's one issue right
[33:57] that's really dealing with the airation
and and part of the plant the other one
[34:02] that that's really not an easy fix not
saying that that necessarily is an easy
[34:06] fix but the one that's much more
difficult is the simple fact that the
[34:10] clarifier isn't big enough right the
permit you know the original permit said
[34:13] it was permited for a half a million
gallons but you know based on the actual
[34:18] construction what had been constructed
with today's math it's basically half of
[34:23] that so and there's there's only one way
to get around that and that's build
[34:26] another one so so U we'll we'll again
I'll dive into some of the metrics on
[34:31] how to I'm basically trying to get
around that for the time being uh but
[34:35] that's that's the there's two issues
right so one is the sewer strength the
[34:39] other is simply you're at a limit
basically that you know 243,000 gallons
[34:45] per day is what the even though that's
not what the permit
[34:49] say so before we get to clarifier the uh
the the blower situation of the plant um
[34:55] is uh um you
I I don't know if this has been remedied
[34:59] but the uh there was only one blower in
operation when we we visited the plant
[35:03] um and uh it's basically equipped as
supposed to have two blowers and that's
[35:09] not an acceptable means of operation
because if the existing blower goes out
[35:15] you're up the creek without that a
paddle basically Parts have been ordered
[35:19] to fix the pump
[35:25] okay okay um
[35:30] and the other situation on the blowers
is the piping there's there's
[35:33] significant leaks uh on the uh the the
Iration piping um and so what you're
[35:40] actually putting out with the blowers
whether that's actually getting into the
[35:43] plant or not is is another question so
the the the like like I said this plant
[35:48] needs quite a bit of of uh of
TLC um clarifiers basically we've just
[35:54] hit the uh uh clarifiers uh from Chad
the list station again um it needs to be
[36:02] totally
rehabilitated um coring
[36:08] contact the chlorine contact
Basin well when you say choke point
[36:14] that's like saying this is the weakest
leak leak in the chain and it it's
[36:18] causes a maximization of the entire
system
[36:23] correct okay so the collection system um
you want me to
[36:28] go
[36:31] ahead all right so uh then we also
looked at other parts of the system
[36:36] right obviously these are the two
treatment plants and we've heard about
[36:40] those so U this is a map that shows
basically the entire City's sanitary
[36:46] sewer system um obviously it's going to
be hard for everyone to read but it's
[36:51] I'll give you the kind of synopsis of
what's going on here basically these
[36:54] black bubbles uh tell us um based on
records that befco has or the city has
[37:00] given to befco um the age of some of the
infrastructure so like all this area out
[37:06] here was built in 1998 or 1995 some of
this out here was built more recently
[37:11] 2018 for instance for Hera um that sort
of thing and then we also have call outs
[37:16] for each list station in town and if we
do know the date in which those U list
[37:21] stations were either built or rehab
rehabilitated we have those listed uh
[37:26] two uh
lift stations in particular of note
[37:30] would be the machuka lift station it
needs effectively to be rehabilitated or
[37:35] or redone itself um I think the last
time it was touched was in 2006 and that
[37:43] was kind of a just a pump change I
believe at that time so it needs a
[37:47] little bit more love simply put um
during my process of of research and
[37:52] doing everything I did I actually had
put boots on the grounds here at the
[37:55] fauler lift station all I about is it
was built prior to 1995 I Don't Know
[38:00] Jack if you have any idea but I I
couldn't find
[38:04] anything
yeah so before 82 we know at least so um
[38:10] and and having put my head literally
down the wetwell I can say that it's in
[38:14] tcq violation now if tcq were to find it
as a different matter but basically the
[38:18] way it's operating is not up to current
standards it may have been at the time I
[38:23] don't know because I don't know when it
was built
[38:29] okay so the other thing that we did with
this map is we actually shared this
[38:33] obviously the city shared a lot of this
information with us we turned around and
[38:37] over the years befco has built this map
out we turned around and gave it back to
[38:40] the city and had the the staffers tell
us hey where are other areas in town
[38:45] that need some love right so U you know
there's and it's hard again to see but
[38:50] there are areas that have been boxed in
that show areas that are uh they've had
[38:55] to make frequent repairs so these would
be gravity lines likely clay that are
[39:01] collapsing just because of their their
age more or less so uh most
[39:08] of most of the sewer system in central
Smithville is probably clay and and aged
[39:15] so um you know a CIP program to slowly
replace those would be would be
[39:23] recommended
Okay so
[39:28] now that we have basically the idea of
what's going on with the system right we
[39:32] we know what our baselines are what's
going on with the treatment plants where
[39:36] they are uh we have understanding of of
kind of the existing system we know what
[39:41] the flow rates are we've made an
assumption now of what the Lue number is
[39:47] now we start looking into the future
right so now we want to uh try to build
[39:52] out growth-wise you know how fast is
Smith Bill going to grow uh which is
[39:57] obviously a guessing game but we try to
make it an educated one right um also
[40:03] we'll look at what areas will be
developing or at least have been assumed
[40:07] to
develop so first and foremost we looked
[40:11] at persons per household I mentioned
this earlier but according to the US
[40:14] citizens Bureau city of Smithville has
approximately 2.5 persons per household
[40:18] and that becomes important when we're
talking about growth rate because we're
[40:22] growing the population not Lue we can
obviously turn the population into Lu
[40:26] but we're thinking about
population so I'll do this
[40:32] first so next we looked at estimating a
30-year growth rate so we looked at a
[40:37] number of sources here we looked at
historical and then of course
[40:41] projections and uh one of the references
or things we looked at was the Texas com
[40:46] controller's office historical growth
and for the capital region of which
[40:50] Smithville is part of uh Bastrop County
uh is the fastest or the capital region
[40:56] excuse me is the fastest growing region
in the state and I don't think that
[40:59] surprises anyone that's sitting in this
room from 2010 to 2019 the area grew
[41:06] 28.5% while the rest of the state grew
15.3 according to the US Census Bureau
[41:12] from 20 from 2000 to 2010 Bastrop County
grew
[41:18] 28.5% and from 2010 to 2020
31.1% meanwhile specifically Smithville
[41:26] 22,000 2010 negative
.7% okay so really no growth during that
[41:32] 10year span however the last 10 years
20110 to 2020
[41:39] 2.8% so that's kind of the history right
so looking forward the Texas demographic
[41:45] Center which is part of the state data
center which is part of the US Census
[41:48] Bureau we love
layers uh projects Bastrop County to
[41:53] grow by
90% by 2050
[41:59] 90% that's Bastrop County that's an
average annual growth rate of
[42:04] 2.2% meanwhile the Texas water
development board projects Bastrop
[42:08] County to grow by
128% by 2050 and that's an annual growth
[42:14] rate of
2.8% so being that Texas water
[42:20] development board was the most
aggressive growth rate that is the
[42:23] growth rate that we assumed in our study
so
[42:27] what does that equate to in actual
[42:33] numbers that's a lot of numbers that's
what I do all right so by 2030 the
[42:40] population of Smith bill would then
equate to
[42:44] 5,169 2040
6,813 and by 2055 which is the limit of
[42:50] what we've kind of looked at
10,310 people okay
[42:59] 10,310 that would be till
2055 so that's what yeah at a 2 point
[43:07] 2.8%
[43:16] 2.8 right so in essence what this
overall spreadsheet does okay there's a
[43:23] number of uh projections okay this this
uh projects both both population and the
[43:28] growth of the the sewer flow okay what
are you using as base 4600 for current
[43:34] uh for 2023 I have
4,261 for 2024 4380 I think it starts at
[43:41] 2023 though according to US Census
Bureau and you do have a if you have
[43:46] your glasses onor statement of fact that
number has been revised downward by um
[43:52] the Census Bureau to
4,067 that's what I wanted to clarify
[43:57] because people look at the population
city limit sign and see 4600 so and I
[44:01] pulled that from the US Census Bureau at
you know at the time that I pulled it
[44:05] out anyway so Robert you're we're using
4,060 uh well you're going with a more
[44:10] conservative increased number right now
but it's actually 467 I did send that
[44:14] out to all the council and and all the
people that needed it about four months
[44:17] ago because they sent me an adjusted
number I've asked tex. please change the
[44:22] sign hasn't happened yet
[44:30] okay
so I'm not going to dive fully into all
[44:34] these numbers that would be wild but
basically I'm G try to give you a
[44:37] synopsis of basically I've set up four
different scenarios here okay scenario
[44:42] one was assuming the current collection
system setup the growth rate of 2.8% and
[44:49] the wastewater treatment plant permit
limits that's an important thing to note
[44:53] permit limits right we already know that
gazley isn't a .5 MGD work working plan
[44:57] it's a 243 working plan so effectively
I'm going to ignore this one okay
[45:04] because it's really not reality okay it
was when I started my study until Paul
[45:08] told me
otherwise uh the other thing I also
[45:11] assumed for these first three scenarios
is that 33% of the flow of developed
[45:17] flow the future flow is going to come to
gazley whereas 67% goes out to Willow
[45:23] okay I'll explain more as to why I was
thinking those things or made those
[45:27] assumptions uh later when I show you
kind of the collection system route but
[45:32] either way 33% is what I assumed to come
to gazley 67 to Willow the other thing
[45:38] that I assumed based on discussions with
Robert he's had a number of developers
[45:43] reach out to him and express interest in
developing here
[45:47] right roughly those numbers are about
650 Lue of interest that they're have
[45:53] shown interest to maybe plop those down
as soon as they can that'd be
[45:58] accurate so what I did is because you
know the
[46:03] 2.8% growth rate sounds great right it's
a nice round number that I can use and
[46:09] spread out but if you if you think about
that more logically you know what's 2.8%
[46:14] growth look like for Smithville in one
year I can tell you it's only it's 119
[46:20] folks from 2023 to 2024 so but it it's
until you get a bigger number right you
[46:26] think think about Austin you think about
Houston if they were to plop down a a
[46:30] thousand lot subdivision right in one of
those cities that would be a blip on
[46:35] their radar right but you throw down a
300 lot subdivision in Smithville at 2.5
[46:41] persons per household I just blew that
number away right so what I wanted to do
[46:45] is try to be a little bit more realistic
about what might be coming all you have
[46:48] to do is look at your neighbor to the
north right and bass drop and what's
[46:51] happened there right they're really
expanding quickly and I could elaborate
[46:55] on that more in a might later
but so anyway what I did is I took those
[46:59] 650 Lu and I spread them out over five
years okay it's going to take him some
[47:03] time to develop those lots if even if
they wanted to so I put those in and it
[47:08] kind of accelerated the path is really
what I'm trying to do trying to give you
[47:11] worst case scenario
ultimately from there for those that
[47:16] have the handout or or can possibly read
it's pretty blurry up there it's these
[47:21] small this box right here that's really
the most important don't get lost in the
[47:25] very long one it's this small box and
what this box does is it tells you about
[47:30] the 70 uh the 75 and 90% rules that that
Paul alluded to earlier and that is when
[47:37] you have to start designing a plant and
when you have to start constructing a
[47:41] plant okay so each one of these
scenarios kind of gives a a different
[47:46] perspective of when you might have to
expend that money right that's what
[47:51] we're getting down to so under the guise
of leaving the development or the the
[47:56] infrastructure as it stands today you'd
be looking at trying to expand gazley or
[48:02] start designing to expand gazley in
2030 it's not that far away is it you'd
[48:09] be looking at trying to build it in 20
in 2039 so there there's a g bit of Gap
[48:14] in there when you think about the growth
rate whereas Willow you're looking at
[48:18] 2028 you'd start designing a plant in
2030 building it right that's not that
[48:26] many that many years
away so we want to look at another
[48:30] situation years ago when Willow was
built machuka lift station U which takes
[48:36] in essence about a third of Smithville
if you will kind of cut out the middle
[48:40] of Smithville and that's what the
machuka lift station takes care of it
[48:45] used to pump to gazley okay Willow was
having some operational issues because
[48:49] of the amount of flow it didn't have and
you have to have a certain amount of
[48:53] flow to actually get those plants to
function properly so the decis ision was
[48:57] made to take machuka lift station and
actually switch it and take it over to
[49:01] Willow instead okay so that gave Willow
more flow it operated easier it was much
[49:07] easier on the operators at the same time
naturally it took flow off of gazley
[49:11] right at the start of this study what we
assumed was that hey we don't think
[49:17] gazley is going to get much development
to it hence the 33% right maybe we
[49:22] should switch machuka back over there
right and that would free up Willow
[49:27] which we expect to get more flow and
quicker well the problem is is based on
[49:32] the fact that we now know that the
clarifier is under sized it does not
[49:35] have that 0.5 MGD if I switch it back
what I find is immediately we could Buzz
[49:42] permit so I can't switch it back that's
what this scenario number three
[49:46] was so that leads us to the final
scenario scenario number four and that
[49:50] is I'm leaving machuka pumping over to
Willow I am instead of taking 33% of the
[49:57] new flow over to gazley I'm only going
to take 10% which is to say I'm guessing
[50:03] that Smith Bill proper so anything that
might redevelop in the old part of
[50:07] Smithville anything south of the river
okay uh would develop redevelop we can
[50:13] handle more flow right but I'm only
taking a growth rate of 10% is what I'm
[50:17] assuming the rest the 90% of our growth
rate that we projecting would go out to
[50:22] the willow wastewater treatment plant so
with those assumptions in place
[50:27] now you're looking at gazley making it
roughly till 2041 before you're having
[50:32] to do any type of design right so now
we've we put some legs underneath her
[50:36] let her run out for a little bit
longer at the same time Willow which we
[50:42] are you going to have to be looking at
soon anyway we knew that we're looking
[50:48] at starting a design in
2028 and Construction in
[50:53] 2030 okay
[50:58] how long would it take once you start a
construction to be running product
[51:02] through
it two years so basically you're working
[51:07] on design probably with that TI of
scenario if you do have people that are
[51:11] lined up if you will to develop you're
potentially having to throttle them to
[51:15] make sure you get the plants in
operation yeah so if you add a a delay
[51:19] Factor nothing cost what you say it will
and gets delivered when you say it will
[51:24] um you add a year you think
[51:30] yeah just for
probably years is yeah I was gonna say I
[51:35] thought that was pretty conservative I
was gonna say 18 months so 18 is the
[51:44] fast so all we've got left is scenario
one and two well not just really
[51:49] scenario well no we've already scenario
one's pretty much out the door because
[51:52] we don't have that capacity in gazley
like we thought we did so it kind of go
[51:56] away so it's really it was a progression
if you will of assumptions I thought you
[52:00] eliminated three also I I did three was
machuka switching machuka lift station
[52:05] back over to gine we can't do that
either so we're just left with with
[52:08] basically scenario number four down
there and you are including the
[52:15] known what do you call it the known
potential developer yes sir yes sir all
[52:19] scenarios two through four all have the
potential develop that's 650 lues yes
[52:25] sir which is a household so 2.5 people
per house that's that's a 40% increase
[52:31] in
population right up FR right three years
[52:36] right three to five depending on how
long I mean the one I guess let me
[52:40] Broach uh the Bastrop subject a little
bit as far as you know with our
[52:43] involvement with them we did a similar
study back in
[52:47] 2017 and then pleaded with them to build
a a treatment plant they were already in
[52:52] our opinion behind the eightball um they
did subsequently a couple years later
[52:58] and I'm sure many of you know off of
fm20 they have their their new Waste
[53:02] Water Treatment Plant and they just
turned the key on that thing in the last
[53:05] few months it took them a while to build
they had a an issue with some something
[53:09] got held up on the supply chain from
what I
[53:13] understand but what we had told what our
recommendation back in 2017 was go build
[53:18] a plant over there and shut down your
old plants if you do that now you'll be
[53:22] fine well that was with what we thought
was a fairly aggressive growth rate we
[53:26] would have been wrong because they've
finished the new plant it's a 2 MGD
[53:31] plant and they're having to keep their
existing plants online not only that
[53:37] they just turned the key on the new
plant and they just they've already got
[53:40] the second or the expansion to that
plant underway and it's a four MGD plant
[53:47] so they're about to put a whole lot down
and talking with with uh the Public
[53:51] Works director you know he admitted that
he never saw that growth coming that
[53:55] they see they said they there flooding
in right the the annexations the the
[54:00] change over from Aqua to city water and
all those things are happening at at a
[54:05] rapid pace so in a in a new facility
plan you would
[54:11] contingently uh account for the possible
need for expansion because of an
[54:15] underestimation of
growth I mean it makes sense to me you
[54:20] know Les Paul alluded to Engineers like
to be conservative we don't but we're a
[54:25] guess right at the end of the day it's
still a guess on our part um you know
[54:30] simply simply put kind of jumping ahead
we would I think what I would recommend
[54:34] is a 0.5 MGD expansion to Willow if
you're going to make an expansion and
[54:39] right now it's a0 three for the record
[54:53] so okay
so that was kind of the growth rate
[54:58] right um and what it does to our plants
uh the next thing we looked at is is
[55:03] kind of trying to develop a future
development map and an assumed
[55:07] development density so future Land
Development is difficult okay it's if
[55:12] not impossible to to predict uh but what
we can do is is try to look at the past
[55:17] and project the future U so you know
projecting out and trying to figure out
[55:23] development density is extremely
important because I've got a get this
[55:27] not only do we have to worry about the
plants and being able to treat it but I
[55:29] got to get it there right and how do I
get it there how do I not tell you guys
[55:33] to put in a 12inch line and three years
later it needed to be a a 24 inch line
[55:38] right that would be terrible of use of
y'all's money so you know we try to do
[55:43] the best we can on what our estimation
might be so what ultimately we're doing
[55:48] is we're recommending a development
density of four Lue per acre so four
[55:54] houses per acre uh for record uh saws
San Antonio water system and San Antonio
[56:00] they they look at the same metric they
use the same thing for unknown land they
[56:05] assume that four Lue per acre so locally
let's look at some of the the recent
[56:10] either projects that have been completed
or underway so you've got the Prairie
[56:14] subdivision that was 3.9 Lue per acre
the Wood Rose subdivision
[56:20] 3.5 Hera now granted Hera is larger Lots
right not only that but if you discount
[56:25] the river front lots and kind of make
them quasi normal size to the rest of
[56:30] their Lots that's
2.3 now the important thing to know and
[56:34] oh I guess M5 subdivision that's 2.8 Lue
per acre now the important thing about
[56:40] all of those subdivisions is none of
them or all of them I should say were
[56:44] above your
minimum uh lot size of 6,500 square feet
[56:50] all of those all of those subdivisions
were above that so if you and the other
[56:55] thing to note about those subdivisions
they were kind of on if you will smaller
[56:59] landlocked properties so there was only
really one way that they could develop
[57:03] them they didn't have a lot of um
ability to think about a different way
[57:08] to develop and it put a road here and
put Lots on either side of it right
[57:12] whereas if you think about a much larger
property okay any of these large
[57:17] properties that you see posted here if
those came in and developed a master
[57:21] plan it would be much easier to get that
development density up high when you
[57:26] think about just
homes U because they could be much more
[57:30] efficient with how they lay them out not
only that but if they're here just to
[57:34] make money they're going to probably try
to do the 6,500 potentially your your
[57:38] smallest lot size right so it could also
bump up that development
[57:43] density the smallest slot size equates
to what per acre five well it it it's a
[57:50] tough It's that's a tougher question to
ask or to answer than than possible
[57:54] because the reason is you have to think
about ride away
[57:56] you got to think about detention ponds
and that sort of thing cover
[58:01] requirements cover requirements are
going to drive it a lot too so if you
[58:04] take a 43,560 square foot in an acre and
you take out our impervious cover you
[58:09] know requirements by ordinance and you
take out some factor I don't know is it
[58:13] 15 what would be streets and Roads 15
percent I might even go as high as 20 20
[58:20] yeah I mean you can close to the four
it's going be pretty close to the four
[58:24] yeah and that's kind of the point right
the the three 3.9 for for Prairie right
[58:28] if you think about it they have I don't
I don't want to go backwards on this but
[58:32] I'd like to do that before we get too
far past the growth projection is you
[58:36] know there's a couple rules one you
alluded to which is a rule of large
[58:40] numbers you know which is 2% is not a
lot of absolute in a small base but it's
[58:45] a big number in a big city the other is
growth doesn't happen on a linear basis
[58:51] and so when you do projections for 2 and
a half% growth over 20 or 30 or 40 years
[58:57] you often times miss the real risk which
is growth doesn't happen two and a half
[59:02] percent a year ask Bastrop I I know
because when I was at fourstar we
[59:06] developed the colony and we own the
colony for almost 30 years and we sold
[59:10] five lots a year or eight lots a year it
was an inherited deal and then all of a
[59:14] sudden you know the bucket turns over
and the momentum's there and now you've
[59:17] got huge growth so you have to we have
to be careful I think when we plan for
[59:22] infrastructure improvements that we are
really really careful that we don't just
[59:27] design for a linear growth because
that's not the way it's going to happen
[59:31] we don't want to be caught kind of to
your Peak flow analysis there's going to
[59:34] be a point at which it just we're going
to get overrun if we want to I mean
[59:38] let's face it development's not going to
come here if there's no Wastewater but
[59:41] whatever we decide to do we somewhat
control our own destiny we can decide
[59:45] through our land use what we want and
where we want it and how fast we want it
[59:48] and we just designed to that and growth
will go around us if it's bigger so yeah
[59:53] it's it's one of those situations in
some parts you build it and they will
[59:55] come come right if you open it up for
them which makes it a tool for us to
[59:59] control growth particularly if we have
to have another facility where we place
[1:00:04] that would be important to directing
where future growth might come and I'm
[1:00:08] posing that as a question yes simply put
yeah
[1:00:13] y so the other uh component I guess
would as far as Lue I kind of was
[1:00:18] leaning on heavily on the residential
side but if you think about the
[1:00:21] commercial side you have the towers
Nursing Facility I think I mentioned it
[1:00:24] earlier that's that's effective like a 5
Lue per acre okay and the sparkling
[1:00:29] clean car wash down here at the end is
is 25 Lue per acre okay so very dense if
[1:00:35] you think about you know some of the
commercial that can come in so it can
[1:00:39] offset what might be a lower density on
the residential side could be easily
[1:00:43] offset by commercial or industrial or
institutional what do you use for Lue uh
[1:00:49] for multi family like a 300 unit
apartment complex use a half a Lue so
[1:00:54] it's funny you ask um we did get into
that with some of my analysis uh with
[1:00:58] some of the existing uh apartment
complexes here in town if you look at uh
[1:01:03] um Austin and Houston I think they I
think Houston was around last I looked
[1:01:09] was like maybe half a Lue okay Austin I
think was 75 but I actually looked at
[1:01:15] one of the apartment complexes here and
they blew that out of the water they
[1:01:18] were like two and it didn't almost
didn't make sense but that was their
[1:01:21] water usage
[1:01:26] is it Willow the the willow well
anywhere you're going to have a large
[1:01:31] percentage of larger two-bedroom and
three-bedroom
[1:01:33] units
yeah right so you know at the end of the
[1:01:39] day again the idea here is is the
subdivision side isn't going to be four
[1:01:46] the commercial side isn't going to be
four per acre you hope that you at the
[1:01:49] end of the day when you average a large
area you could end up with around four L
[1:01:54] breaker and the idea is honestly that
that's conservative that's that's our
[1:01:58] hope we don't want to be below it
because then everything else that I'm
[1:02:02] about to show you is undersized okay so
we want to be a little bit conservative
[1:02:06] in that in that thought
process okay so that brings us to the
[1:02:12] actual map so um in very beginning of of
the project and talking with Robert this
[1:02:18] is the areas that we decided to focus on
so to orient you guys a little bit
[1:02:22] obviously this is Smithville proper
here's the Colorado River 71 and loop
[1:02:27] 230 okay all the way up to FM uh
153 here we're south of the river here
[1:02:36] okay 71 again Loop uh 230 okay and this
is
[1:02:41] bordering um I don't know what that
water body is called down here is it
[1:02:47] well you got Willow Creek is here not
sure what that one is ships Lake thank
[1:02:52] you so these are the areas that we're
elected to focus on on um I'll tell you
[1:02:57] why we didn't decide to focus kind of
south of town first I know they're not
[1:03:01] shown here but you you're basically kind
of bordered more or less on the south by
[1:03:04] the school right school has a lot of uh
flood plane nearby okay and there's
[1:03:10] really no sewer infrastructure that
leads past the school so you lack
[1:03:15] infrastructure okay you have a big flood
plan issue it would be an exorbitant
[1:03:20] cost to get that into town so in essence
the idea is this is more ripe for for
[1:03:25] development
mainly again you have 71 running through
[1:03:28] here so these are the areas that we're
elected to focus on if somebody's going
[1:03:32] to develop out
there the likelihood maybe that maybe
[1:03:36] there's a MUD district or something like
that might make more sense to come up
[1:03:40] out there um but U that was the decision
that was
[1:03:45] made so um again I won't dive completely
into all this but more or less give you
[1:03:50] an overview what's going on the pink
that you see are currently what we deem
[1:03:55] uh
either underdeveloped properties meaning
[1:03:58] they haven't met what could be their
highest usage or they're not developed
[1:04:03] at all and all your yellow have been
developed in some sense um each one of
[1:04:10] these squares has been
numbered and correlate to uh a table
[1:04:17] that I did not print in a large format
but you'll have it in your handouts so
[1:04:22] each each property and or sometimes I
group properties together have been
[1:04:26] numbered okay given sometimes their
their ID number as far as the appraisal
[1:04:32] district goes and a name of a
development if they have one or the name
[1:04:36] name of the individual that owns it
potentially um and an assumption was
[1:04:41] made for each and every property whether
that be four lots for Lu per acre or if
[1:04:48] it was developed how many Lue that it
may consist of today if there was a
[1:04:54] single home potential on the property
today but it in our opinion could see
[1:04:59] higher usage later we also looked at
what that property could potentially do
[1:05:03] in the
future so all those things have been
[1:05:07] tabulated in that very robust
[1:05:17] spreadsheet any questions on this before
I jump to the next thing
[1:05:22] here okay so and I'll leave the up for a
while any let's see actually I'll move
[1:05:29] one
more so this next two slides are
[1:05:35] effectively the same
areas but what we did is now we look at
[1:05:40] where and how are we going to collect
that development moving forward and
[1:05:46] we're not here to tell them exactly
where to put every single sewer line but
[1:05:50] rather what we call the trunk line the
main lines so that's then broken into
[1:05:55] what we call call sewer sheds you've
probably heard maybe heard the term
[1:05:58] Watershed before well same thing as
sewer shed okay so for instance this
[1:06:03] light green would be for sewershed
number one and this blue solid or darker
[1:06:09] wider line is what we consider trunk
line number one so that's where the
[1:06:14] sewer from sewer shed number one in our
opinion would make sense to go into
[1:06:19] trunk line number one so on and so forth
so again north of the river we kind of
[1:06:25] have it divided into two sewer sheds one
is the this is the Eda lift station or
[1:06:30] the highway State Highway 71 lift
station that was built a few years ago
[1:06:34] with an existing trunk line that comes
up to the Smithville Industrial Park
[1:06:39] okay it would grab all of this area here
and the loop 230 line comes down Loop
[1:06:46] 230 right now there is a uh the MD
Anderson has their facility up here has
[1:06:51] an existing lift station that pumps all
the way down into town crosses the
[1:06:56] Colorado River and dumps in in town
here what we would propose is to bring a
[1:07:02] a gravity line up 230 and then dump that
Force man would actually dump up here in
[1:07:07] the top we'd put a new lift station down
here at the bottom and we have basically
[1:07:13] two scenarios that we'll go through
later one is to continue to use this
[1:07:17] forcan that goes underneath the river
and into trunk line number five
[1:07:21] ultimately making its way to gazley or
taking that a new Force main over to
[1:07:27] State Highway 71 crossing the river a
new crossing of the river and dump in to
[1:07:32] what will be trunk line number
one which is also mind you where the
[1:07:39] existing Eda Andor Highway 71 lift
station pumps
[1:07:45] today so what we did of course is we now
took the spreadsheet that you had before
[1:07:51] and we dumped it into groups right now
we have them uh so if you'll flip to the
[1:07:56] next if you guys have it out it's kind
of the next set of spreadsheets they're
[1:08:01] stapled together so you can if you take
your uh binder clips apart you can find
[1:08:05] it easier um it is
uh what's I call it the it's the
[1:08:11] collection system
[1:08:17] evaluation yes keep keep
going let's see sorry I know we've got a
[1:08:25] bunch here it is right
there we're going to be hitting these up
[1:08:29] next so thank you
very
[1:08:33] yeah yeah I wish I could find a ace um
so basically this was me determining how
[1:08:42] much sewage could come down each one of
these trunk lines right so it helps me
[1:08:47] to figure out okay at the slopes and
some of these a lot of these areas
[1:08:51] already have lines in them so they're
already a certain lot sized line at a
[1:08:57] certain slope so all I would be looking
to do is pull that line out and put a
[1:09:01] new larger line in its
place again not necessarily going to
[1:09:06] dive in you can feel free to try to
follow uh these spreadsheets effectively
[1:09:13] you'll see on the far right hand side
the arrows and the the red line the red
[1:09:19] little squares or each one of those red
squares symbolizes a line that's having
[1:09:23] to be upsized
okay so the blue lines kind of give you
[1:09:27] a little description of where the trunk
lines start uh let's use a for example
[1:09:33] if you look at trunk line number one it
says it starts up here at the river and
[1:09:37] effectively turns uh left if you will
off of is that Hill Road out there too
[1:09:46] Hill and then turns and goes directly to
the treatment plant today this line
[1:09:51] actually goes all the way downhill down
71 and then wraps itself back over to
[1:09:57] the plant so all I'm doing is
shortcutting is what I'm trying to do
[1:10:01] here okay what that does is that frees
up capacity and makes this line a little
[1:10:06] smaller a lot
smaller so I looked at effectively two
[1:10:12] scenarios and I've kind of already
alluded to it the two scenarios again
[1:10:16] because of the revelation of
gazley uh how much flow can I take down
[1:10:22] here and do I want to take it down here
so in a say a 33% situation 3367 like I
[1:10:29] talked about earlier I was assuming all
of this would come in to trunk line
[1:10:34] number five and over to the treatment
plant scenario two excuse me scenario
[1:10:39] that was scenario two scenario one would
take it and bring it over to ultimately
[1:10:45] to
[1:10:48] Willow the problem
being two twofold with scenario 2 we've
[1:10:54] already talked about the limitations of
gazley right by bringing that extra flow
[1:10:59] in here we're going to run out of
capacity so we're going to have to do an
[1:11:03] expansion right we're going to have to
at a bare minimum do the clarifier that
[1:11:07] we talked about so we looked at Cost
numbers associated with
[1:11:12] that additionally this trunk line number
five that runs through town today would
[1:11:19] also have to be
upsized a lot of that run anything that
[1:11:23] you see running this way is actually
running through alleys but this piece
[1:11:27] was actually running right down fourth
okay so obviously that's a lot of
[1:11:33] disturbance it's an expensive project
okay so combined if I look at scenario
[1:11:39] number two versus scenario number one I
find that taking everything north of the
[1:11:44] river to Willow is actually
cheaper currently my numbers which I'm
[1:11:50] still refining with some contractors
because of the larger pipe sizes that we
[1:11:55] don't often deal with and trust me the
Contracting world has changed a lot of
[1:11:59] things over the last few years so even
the numbers I did have are no longer
[1:12:03] valid but I'm refining those but as of
right now I'm thinking somewhere on the
[1:12:09] order of one and a half to $2 million
difference between those two options not
[1:12:15] only financially but it'll also allow
you a longer run time in gazley So
[1:12:22] eventually there is a strong likelihood
that gazley is going to need some work
[1:12:27] but if I go all the way back to the the
buildout and and and uh you look at the
[1:12:33] growth it's not going to be
soon effectively it would give you an
[1:12:37] opportunity to monitor what's really
happening in the city and and you'd have
[1:12:43] a pretty good idea of of when you might
have to do that expansion so
[1:12:55] okay so um effectively then what we do
is we we kind of had to look at well
[1:13:01] I've kind of already explained it to a
certain extent uh your different
[1:13:04] scenarios led to a cost because each one
of those trunk lines uh has a a number
[1:13:11] to them okay we also are looking at the
same time this is available development
[1:13:18] capacity this is the next spreadsheet in
order for you guys and what this was was
[1:13:23] my attempt to figure out
what's the trigger points right when do
[1:13:28] we have to do these things how much more
development can we allow before we have
[1:13:32] to do these
upgrades the results were a little
[1:13:37] surprising okay trunk M number one let's
talk about it a little bit trunk main
[1:13:42] number one I need to flip
papers trunk line number one on this
[1:13:49] side really has no flow except for
outside of a few homes here that go into
[1:13:53] it today it's main flow comes from this
lift station this lift station has an 8
[1:13:58] in Force main underneath the river this
line is an 8 in gravity line we have
[1:14:04] effectively throttled back this lift
station it's got some good pumps in it
[1:14:09] matter of fact the pumps that befco
designed in this lift station and the
[1:14:14] the trunk line that comes up to the Eda
lift station needs no upgrades okay this
[1:14:20] is the one trunk line that needs no work
okay but what we did is we had to
[1:14:25] throttle this this lift station back so
it doesn't pump as much as it can
[1:14:30] because if we did we'd have it shooting
out of the manle over here
[1:14:34] okay so effectively what that means is
in order for development to occur up
[1:14:40] here and increase the flow
into uh the lift station and thus under
[1:14:45] the river and into trunk main number one
we pretty much have to do it day
[1:14:50] one
okay furthermore
[1:14:55] the you have two lift stations here on
the south side or if you will in
[1:15:00] Smithville proper and we already talked
about machuka and I mentioned fauler
[1:15:04] lift station both of those lift stations
come in to each other within about a
[1:15:08] half a mile of each other or
less uh fauler dumps in on fauler road
[1:15:14] about halfway between uh 8th Avenue and
Luke 230 and the machuka lift station
[1:15:20] actually dumps in at fauler Road in 230
so those stations even though they don't
[1:15:27] necess you know a lift station how a
lift station Works a little bit of
[1:15:30] thought process there you have water
that comes into a lift station slowly
[1:15:34] from the houses okay and it fills up
slowly and then it gets to a certain
[1:15:39] point and it pumps it down okay and then
it refills and pumps it down so you have
[1:15:43] a lot the the you have tcq requirements
that say you have to pump at a certain
[1:15:49] speed because you don't want the the uh
Force man to get clogged by debris so
[1:15:55] you put in there a certain velocity and
that velocity keeps that line clean so
[1:15:59] it doesn't clog itself up that's the
reason the
[1:16:02] velocity that velocity creates a higher
uh flow rate than what's coming into the
[1:16:08] lift station so what happens in a in a
perfect and
[1:16:13] disastrous condition is you have machuka
pumping at the same time it's raining
[1:16:18] outside everybody's at home doing their
dishes again and washing clothes fauler
[1:16:25] lift station is pumping at the same time
as machuka is pumping and we get water
[1:16:31] coming out of this line because this
line isn't big enough today either okay
[1:16:35] so the line from down two 230 from
fauler over to 71 is kind of collects
[1:16:43] all of this area today and as I
mentioned today anyway this line comes
[1:16:47] down and meets it the good news is is
this Li station is only pumping like
[1:16:51] probably once a day because there's not
much flow
[1:16:55] north of the River
[1:16:58] today so while this may be 1 a as far as
importance this is 1
[1:17:07] B my understanding is there have been
instances to dat where this line has had
[1:17:12] some difficulties carrying its flow and
usually my understanding is during Heavy
[1:17:17] Rain
[1:17:20] events as for trunk trunk name number
three is kind of just the culmination of
[1:17:26] these two coming together so it's just
its own little little entity it's kind
[1:17:29] of when one and two happen three is
going to happen at the same time as far
[1:17:34] as trunk line four that's more of the
situation that you've already kind of
[1:17:37] alluded to which is when do you want to
build it right up and down Loop 230 here
[1:17:45] you have a number of smaller properties
some of which have businesses on them
[1:17:49] already U some of them that have houses
that are on maybe slightly larger
[1:17:53] properties you know there's to my
knowledge not a whole lot of demand
[1:17:58] going on at this point and unfortunately
this is the most expensive trunk line to
[1:18:03] build at this point I think off the top
of my head it's around $4 million to
[1:18:07] build the trunk line build a a new lift
station and the Force main so this is
[1:18:12] the most expensive of the trunk lines to
be built um and it's it's really one of
[1:18:18] those true classic if you build it maybe
they'll come right it depends on on who
[1:18:23] has aspirations to build there certainly
if you build it somebody's going to come
[1:18:28] but um you're going to probably do that
in two contracts um you're not looking I
[1:18:35] mean design and
[1:18:38] construction two and a half
years I mean you you probably look at a
[1:18:44] well maybe I should stretch that the
three your your lift station nowadays
[1:18:48] with again components are hard to come
by electrical equipment especially um
[1:18:53] the last lift station I've got under
construction now is we put a year on it
[1:18:58] just for
[1:19:01] construction all right so that's kind of
synopsis effectively
[1:19:06] unfortunately the main trunk lines that
are already in place outside of of
[1:19:11] number four and number six you know
these would need would need U immediate
[1:19:18] attention and then last is actually the
cost estimate at this point that we have
[1:19:24] so again I had two scenarios we've kind
of alluded to already so scenario we
[1:19:30] kind of just gloss over a little bit of
scenario number two where as it shows
[1:19:34] right now it's at one point roughly 1.75
is what I have the difference 1.75
[1:19:40] million between those two
scenarios again if you look kind of you
[1:19:44] have your your all the trunk lines are
involved in these scenarios mind
[1:19:48] you uh to to make them kind of apples to
apples comparisons uh these should also
[1:19:53] be noted this is in today's dollars okay
that's vital important for me to
[1:19:58] say before
2017 well actually before I guess 2019
[1:20:04] versus today any any numbers that befco
looks at as far as previous contracts
[1:20:11] that we're trying to to create estimates
off of we're doing anywhere from 50 to
[1:20:16] 100% markup on what we saw then that's
the difference in what Contracting
[1:20:21] prices
are so very important for me to say
[1:20:25] today's prices and don't ask me to
project because who would have told you
[1:20:29] that they would have gone up that much
in that short period of time
[1:20:34] so um you'll see that uh scenario number
one has all the trunk lines except for
[1:20:40] five right because we if we're if we're
going to take trunk line number four
[1:20:44] over to Willow we do not need to mess
with trunk line number five it's
[1:20:48] actually in good shape it doesn't need
any
[1:20:51] Improvement but we would have to build a
force main okay
[1:20:55] then Willow would get its expansion
again I assumed a half a million gallon
[1:21:01] expansion that's 14 million by
itself okay today's
[1:21:09] dollars Paul actually got a pretty good
chuckle out of me the other day we were
[1:21:12] talking
numbers back and and obviously Paul's
[1:21:16] got some more experience than I do I
remember back in my Houston days when we
[1:21:20] were doing MUD district work uh as a as
a young graduate engineer you know we
[1:21:26] were told to assume $3 per gallon on a
wastewater treatment plant now I was not
[1:21:32] naive enough to ask Paul if that was
still the number I knew better than that
[1:21:35] but I did think it was what did I say10
to15 a gallon I think is what I said
[1:21:39] this is it's got to probably a little
bit higher than that right and he said
[1:21:42] uh it's a little higher than that yeah
it's more like 21 to
[1:21:47] 2425 per
gallon so mind you that
[1:21:52] scenarios get us through what population
number this what year this will take you
[1:21:58] through the 30-year
window that we studied so through
[1:22:02] expansion we can handle a 30-year window
according these assumptions right but if
[1:22:08] something else goes yeah and you know in
to to your point as far as if if other
[1:22:13] things were developed and and it's hard
to go back one map
[1:22:19] here oops
[1:22:25] Murphy's
Law so one of the limitations that we we
[1:22:32] kind of looked at is obviously you have
71 right but there's also some flood
[1:22:36] plane that's that's present out here
that's going to make it a little bit
[1:22:40] more difficult and and to your to a
certain extent where do you stop right
[1:22:46] you got to you got to make some kind of
an assumption the reality is if you
[1:22:49] start getting out here too far and it's
still now become the city of Smithville
[1:22:54] uh all of us look down from heaven uh
you know there's a good possibility
[1:22:58] you're building a new waste treatment
plant somewhere other than trying to get
[1:23:01] it all the way to where it is today
where where I am trying to make the
[1:23:06] connection is is if we've got the
650 known whatever it is then that's a
[1:23:14] 40% increase in population so if we're
assuming two 3% population growth that's
[1:23:20] blown out of water right there correct
we got a 40 50% growth now base two or
[1:23:25] three% on on top of that yeah the 2.8%
on top of that but I've done all that
[1:23:30] and that's actually that's actually I'm
still within if I do that 650 and I grow
[1:23:34] at 2.8% thereafter I'm still good with
what I'm giving you that makes me feel
[1:23:38] better thank
you like like Paul said we like to be
[1:23:42] conservative
so
[1:23:48] um so I guess uh in wrapping up kind of
looking at the
[1:23:52] estimates um again the scenario 2 had to
involve still involved the the willow
[1:23:57] expansion but it also involved the GLE
expansion and the trunk line number five
[1:24:01] so that's really your biggest changes
and it might be decent to note by taking
[1:24:06] I already had to upsize trunk line
number one no matter what okay in either
[1:24:10] scenario by taking the new new lift
station and Force main over to it all I
[1:24:17] had to do is jump this pipe size up by
one by one increment so it went from a
[1:24:22] 15 inch to an 18 inch if I remember
right ask you a question this this last
[1:24:26] box is system maintenance items this
$3.8 million is that something that we
[1:24:31] need to do no matter what today so those
are exactly that that would be
[1:24:35] recommendations that which option we
choose we have to do these would be our
[1:24:38] recommendations that they need to start
picking those off so so there's 3.8
[1:24:43] million in today's dollars that we need
to do now that I would recommend now and
[1:24:48] frankly along with with trunk lines one
through three yeah okay so that adds on
[1:24:53] to either scenario one or seven scenario
two or if we do trunk Line 1 2 and three
[1:24:57] it's plus 3.8 yes
sir so it's about 10
[1:25:07] million in today's
[1:25:12] dollar
[1:25:16] right so that's kind of the I think that
puts a bow tie oh well it doesn't quite
[1:25:20] put a bow tie the one thing I guess
obviously we were talking about major
[1:25:23] money here right um I think
uh I think you made the comment the
[1:25:30] other day Robert that I think y''s
standard Allin year is 15 million that
[1:25:35] right somewhere in that
neighborhood so that's obviously not
[1:25:39] something that you can handle you know
without some type of a different
[1:25:44] Financial
operation you know one thing that uh is
[1:25:49] out there that would be recommended is
is impact fees okay and are I don't know
[1:25:55] who all is familiar with impact fees
okay but uh that's effectively trying to
[1:25:59] put the onus on the people that are
doing the development and not your
[1:26:03] residents um so in
[1:26:09] this the idea is it would def that defay
the idea would be to defay your your
[1:26:14] cost ultimately no $7,500 impact fees I
mean that's a half million a million
[1:26:21] bucks right I mean to to to I'm been a
proponent of impact fees I'm just saying
[1:26:27] it's not going to get it done right I
mean to a certain extent yeah I mean
[1:26:30] your growth is probably going to you
know even your residents are probably
[1:26:33] going to feel a squeeze no matter what
at this point the reality being that you
[1:26:38] need the money today you can't wait for
the developer to get here when you don't
[1:26:42] have the infrastructure to to bring them
in um
[1:26:46] so if you want to take the floor a
little on just just a little bit Yeah so
[1:26:51] there are grants out there the Texas
water development board that will help
[1:26:54] with this type of infrastructure uh
Improvement um we have the option to do
[1:26:59] a CFO don't recommend taking it to a
bond impact fees we're already
[1:27:03] investigating and and Jason's doing some
work on that um but this is it's a big
[1:27:11] Bill that U yeah so let me let me ask a
question about this this maintenance is
[1:27:16] $3.8 Million number U let me I'm going
to call it $5 million just because it's
[1:27:22] not we're not doing it today or tomorrow
uh and I think we'd be lucky if it ends
[1:27:26] up being
five that's something that you strongly
[1:27:29] recommend that we need to do now in
order to either be in compliance or to
[1:27:35] avoid being out of compliance which is
probably imminent so there there's a
[1:27:40] variation of things and this is if you
will oversimplified uh simply put so in
[1:27:45] the larger report that we'll be
publishing we'll we'll rank things that
[1:27:49] we deem as being a number one importance
so to your point it needs to be done
[1:27:55] today uh versus maybe a um let's call it
the I think Paul alluded to the lift
[1:28:01] station out at Willow needing some fall
protection into it do you need that
[1:28:07] today I'm sure the guys wouldn't mind
having it but you know what do you want
[1:28:12] to deem as as
being 100% necessary today and at some
[1:28:16] point the almighty dollar is going to
going to have to to come into play so
[1:28:21] what do what do we what do we think I
mean between you and and you I mean what
[1:28:25] what do we think if we agreed that we
needed to do the 3.8 you know with a
[1:28:30] little bit of massaging but a
significant chunk when would we expect
[1:28:34] to have to incur that cost if we wanted
to what does immediate mean to us right
[1:28:39] now does that mean we would be in this
next budget year or the following budget
[1:28:44] year well based upon his projections and
all the factors that he's talked about
[1:28:48] uh it it it's not Doom and Gloom right
now 3 to five years two to three well
[1:28:54] certain certain things probably need to
be I mean you're you're you're flirting
[1:28:57] you're flirting with the disaster right
I mean if the the the blowers go out at
[1:29:02] at at gazley right now you're going to
get tcq breathing down your neck right
[1:29:07] not in this year's budget I it would
have to be we could start looking and
[1:29:10] investigating for FY 2526 the type of
funding in the in in in parallel look
[1:29:16] for the grants look for other
Partnerships to try to look at impact
[1:29:19] fees uh but there was not my intention
to recommend doing this this year here
[1:29:25] um u in the FY 2425 budget
cycle one of the things that I think we
[1:29:31] all I know personally do not want to be
a part of is having this information and
[1:29:37] have have a consultant use words like I
strongly recommend or this is failing
[1:29:41] today and that be on the record and us
not do something the worst thing we can
[1:29:46] have is
teq come out here and get in our sandbox
[1:29:51] um I mean they would be a little easier
on a small town like Smith F then they
[1:29:54] might be on Houston Dallas or Austin not
really but it's still not fine not
[1:29:58] really yeah I I have a question Welly I
hate to say this um if we did the lift
[1:30:05] station and the uh blower piping
overhead crane right there um at the at
[1:30:11] gazley which was about you know it's
under two million I hate to say this
[1:30:16] word if we have a tax note could it go
for
[1:30:21] that uh
[1:30:25] I hate to say it but uh there's other
methods to use CFOs Andor it could yes
[1:30:33] was just a question yeah because while
you have it marked in the tax note you
[1:30:39] could always be you looking for the
grants and other things to fund it to
[1:30:43] move it forward because right
now you know unless you have some other
[1:30:49] kind of funding available to you I don't
see us moving forward as you say Tom
[1:30:54] uh I want I want I want to ask a
question of the
[1:30:58] engineers I want to ask you a question
are you comfortable given what you know
[1:31:02] based on your preliminary study are you
comfortable with us defraying for a year
[1:31:06] doing any work on these items that you
show in the maintenance
[1:31:13] items you've answered my question there
we go I mean you know is this one
[1:31:19] working I guess it's just not as loud as
the other one uh you know to your to the
[1:31:24] machuka and fauler lift station to my
knowledge they've been operating like
[1:31:29] they are today for
[1:31:32] years but at the same time you know what
I've seen in the in even the the trunk
[1:31:38] lines is that technically the trunk
lines are not a size to handle them and
[1:31:42] if you make the improvements you'll gain
a little capacity I would imagine
[1:31:46] absolutely and honestly with a for
instance I was discussing with a
[1:31:50] colleague earlier today with machuka in
particular I I would probably try to
[1:31:55] find a way to ramp down how much flow
it's producing because I don't know that
[1:31:59] it needs to be as high as it is and uh
that's just one example of maybe more
[1:32:04] efficiency that could be
found so what would Robert what would be
[1:32:08] the options if we had to come up with a
financing vehicle for four or five
[1:32:12] million doar that I mean what would be
the grants would be the obvious first
[1:32:18] stop is there a is there a somebody have
in mind that would be the second would
[1:32:22] be a certificate of ation that's what
our um citizens for yes yeah impact fees
[1:32:29] yeah citizens are yeah it the new ones
for developers yeah um a loan or a bond
[1:32:37] which you don't citizens have to pay I'm
just what is the real likelihood of a
[1:32:41] grant for a substantial amount of this
is it pretty low go with Texas water
[1:32:45] development board I mean you've had
experience with them um it's timely
[1:32:48] though I mean it takes some time to get
approval I mean this is clearly a
[1:32:52] resiliency category item I mean you know
you look at you know what that means for
[1:32:57] us in terms of infrastructure and be in
violation and potentially have an
[1:33:00] environmental impacts and all um I would
think that there would be a lot of
[1:33:05] Grants I'm just not familiar with how
successful a town like ours would be at
[1:33:08] getting and to to be clear Texas water
development board you may get some Grant
[1:33:14] but the likelihood it's going to be more
of a loan than it would well Tex one of
[1:33:18] the things I just was telling Robert in
the tml um update there was a uh opening
[1:33:25] of Grant applications from the uh uh one
of the Departments from from federal
[1:33:31] government I think it was agriculture
where they were having Water and
[1:33:35] Wastewater up to
$500,000 grants coming everybody sign up
[1:33:40] for if you wanted them whether you get
those or not I don't know no such thing
[1:33:45] as free money I know there's no such
thing as free money you got to pay it
[1:33:48] back eventually
but huh already over I bet they are
[1:33:54] they are I do want to make a
clarification because there's been some
[1:33:57] terms and things said that you know
we're imminent violation there are
[1:34:00] pieces of this that we would potentially
be fine for because we're not in
[1:34:04] compliance currently but that's not due
to the flow we're talking about problems
[1:34:09] of blowers if tcq did come yeah they
could pop us for that and we're in the
[1:34:13] process of actually fixing the blowers
at at at gazley so I to make make sure
[1:34:18] that's C it's no different than you know
I use another analogy I guess think
[1:34:24] about your storm water situation right
we I don't think there's any secret that
[1:34:29] we know that Smithville has some issues
with storm water right when a 100-year
[1:34:32] Reign events comes we've got issues
right and and we've been trying to chip
[1:34:37] away at those things over the years as
money has become available some of these
[1:34:41] instances such as the trunk Mains and
saying that they don't have the capacity
[1:34:45] are those perfect storms right they are
that 100-year event that 1% annual
[1:34:49] chance of it occurring so can I say that
it it shouldn't be done no you know I
[1:34:55] can't say that but at the same time it
is a perfect storm type situation and
[1:35:00] that happened in Harvey right so to be
honest but again I want to clarify we
[1:35:04] are not in in anywhere near being
violated for the 75% rule at this time
[1:35:10] including the projected short-term
growth corre want to make sure that's
[1:35:14] clear no yeah at the same time for my
colleagues putting it out there I I
[1:35:19] personally don't want us to put this off
for a year and maybe it's an agenda item
[1:35:23] and next month or two where we can do a
subcommittee or task force and get with
[1:35:27] you guys and do some more in-depth
because we got to educate ourselves more
[1:35:32] I mean y'all done a great job but sure
more
[1:35:36] inform well just to give it a
perspective $5 million without even
[1:35:40] taking into account interest you know
over a five or a seven year period is
[1:35:43] 750 to a million dollars a year
repayment with no interest being
[1:35:47] included so that's about 5 to 7% of our
annual budget today so when you talk
[1:35:52] about a per increase in the budget you
know that would be enough probably to
[1:35:58] pretty close to to amortise this because
most of those loans I think are probably
[1:36:02] five do they go 10 years will they go
out 10 years on those loans the SE the
[1:36:05] SE of they can go 25 and 30 on a
certific o infastructure like this yeah
[1:36:10] okay and that's what we did with the uh
uh the Water Tower rehab it was a $3
[1:36:15] million uh CFO and well that even makes
I mean I would I mean I don't know what
[1:36:21] everybody else thinks I would love to
see it as soon as possible a $5 million
[1:36:26] number with just a loan rep whatever
come up with some kind of standard
[1:36:30] repayment a 20-year 25 years 6% interest
whatever 5% pick some interest rate and
[1:36:35] show us what it would be in debt service
per year to that point I already have
[1:36:39] Samco working on something if indeed you
had had chosen to send me I when we talk
[1:36:44] about prioritize PRI budget By Priority
if it's a half a million dollars a year
[1:36:50] and it sounds like it may even be less
than that if we can go 20 or 30 years on
[1:36:54] the repayment then um you know we can
find uh two or three or $400,000 of
[1:37:00] savings in our existing budgets where we
still have a net zero impact to Citizens
[1:37:05] yeah with the CFO typically I'm sorry go
ahead well I mean Monday night we talked
[1:37:09] about another 5 to 700,000 we're going
to need in two or three years for the
[1:37:13] alley work I mean maybe we can lump that
in but we've got some major projects
[1:37:17] that we have not funded with typical
CFOs you have to identify a repayment
[1:37:23] source course and with the last one we
did with the water tower refurbishment
[1:37:28] uh we uh the repayment was
$5.75 cents a month on everyone's
[1:37:33] utility bill so you see that on your
bills now and that's going to be
[1:37:37] happening for the next 20 years to pay
back the three point you know aized uh
[1:37:41] monies that we borrowed so you can
identify something like that but there's
[1:37:45] going to be citizen impact if you take a
c
[1:37:47] ofo well not if you reduce uh expenses
somewhere else in the budget oh agree
[1:37:52] agre and and it can Net Zero we just
have to prioritize it I would think that
[1:37:56] most people would well maybe not but I
would certainly prioritize something
[1:38:00] that was near term out of compliance all
of this stuff is going to be needed to
[1:38:05] be done regardless of what we do I mean
in in option one or two I mean it's
[1:38:10] something we have to do period
right it's going to take a great deal of
[1:38:15] of we need to make a a really big effort
to educate the public on the need so
[1:38:22] whatever measures that we have to take
um don't come as too much of a shock and
[1:38:26] we haven't gone through this year's
budget yet there's we don't know exactly
[1:38:30] what we're going to come up with I think
in our conversations in comparison to
[1:38:34] other municipalities we're ahead of the
curve as to what y'all are planning
[1:38:39] forther ahead than than many I'll say
that but that doesn't mean we can take
[1:38:43] off our foot off the
[1:38:47] sure yeah you have to get you have to
Mike I'm sorry I just going to say to
[1:38:54] Tom to
to you're talking about the Texas water
[1:38:58] develop board and TDA and all them and
Jill can test this too uh I mean bottom
[1:39:04] line even if we started the process
right now we're two years
[1:39:07] out absolutely I mean before you get any
funding and you can start construction
[1:39:12] so to answer your question we can look
into that yeah but well and that's the
[1:39:16] point is whether it's construction
design or soliciting funds this is not
[1:39:21] something that happens in 90 to 100 20
days this is a multi- budget cycle
[1:39:26] process and if we don't start that in
Earnest right now even though we may not
[1:39:31] expect to pay for it in this budget
cycle I think we need to start it um
[1:39:36] most definitely right away and if
there's design dollars or engineering
[1:39:39] dollars that we need to spend then those
dollars should be in this this budget if
[1:39:44] if they're not in there already I mean
you need to have the funds that you need
[1:39:48] to spend with Design
Consultants Sam whoever it is that you
[1:39:52] think you need to contract with once you
make the decision of the funding source
[1:39:56] for example certificate of obligation um
you pull the trigger Sam C can have it
[1:40:01] in next year's budget
yeah so you and then you can start
[1:40:08] allocating design rfps rfqs to get
people to come in to Do What U Chad is
[1:40:15] recommending I'll touch one more thing
as far as uh impact fees go um just with
[1:40:21] some recent experience that I've had
with a client
[1:40:23] that's done a development in Bastrop so
Bastrop has impact fees that have been
[1:40:29] set and long story short in essence to
build a single family home in Bastrop is
[1:40:35] going to cost you 15 I think it was
$15,000 per house in Impact fees yeah
[1:40:41] have you done stuff in the Bron Falls it
gets a lot higher it's ridiculous I mean
[1:40:45] they're all taking this philosophy that
developers are going to pay 100% or as
[1:40:49] close to 100% of the cost as they can
and uh you know when you look around you
[1:40:53] say well why are homes unaffordable you
know it's not any one thing it's a death
[1:40:58] by a Thousand Cuts and that's a pretty
deep cut 15 to 20,000 for an impact fee
[1:41:03] for a one house and you know my
understanding is Bastrop is looking at
[1:41:09] going back to the drawing board on
theirs which would imply they're not as
[1:41:12] high as they want it to be or need it to
be rather
[1:41:17] so
[1:41:21] so I have a question Rob ber uh you said
the parts for the blower blower parts
[1:41:26] have been ordered how much does that
cost and where's that money come it's
[1:41:30] actually a a warranty item Edward isn't
it it's a new it's a
[1:41:36] new yeah supply chain so yeah this is
covered it we put it in a year a year
[1:41:43] ago a year and a half and it crapped out
and so we're trying to get that
[1:41:47] replacement so it's already covered and
do you think that we should immediately
[1:41:52] start look looking at these industrial
users and see what impact they have
[1:41:58] that's that's part of a plan we'll we'll
probably schedule or um uh get befco or
[1:42:04] someone to come take some samples
Upstream Downstream see what what's
[1:42:08] happening so an industrial users do we
have besides bone spirits and the uh
[1:42:14] Smithville lockers classifying
industrial
[1:42:18] um if you're including the um uh the
hospital that's not industrial but large
[1:42:23] users you're asking right
non-residential it's all the typical
[1:42:29] suspects syex doesn't
[1:42:38] drop we can reserve an agenda item for
next meeting to a general item to bring
[1:42:42] this back up sure you'll have the final
you'll still be working on the final
[1:42:47] report and right yeah so from here you
know hearing anything that we heard
[1:42:52] we'll probably get back in touch with
Robert have a little brief conversation
[1:42:56] with him and then yeah our plan is to
within the next month have a final or
[1:43:01] you know a final draft if you will
probably put that in front of City staff
[1:43:05] let them review it see if there's
anything that they think we need to
[1:43:07] elaborate on and then we'll we'll sign
it to so Council and mayor if you would
[1:43:13] vote on that to go
research certificate of obligations for
[1:43:17] $5
million send me on that you want a
[1:43:20] motion I'll make a motion mayor that we
direct the city manager to go do the
[1:43:25] necessary research to explore a CO or
other similar financing source for a
[1:43:30] five million do expenditure to bring the
gazley up to speed I'll
[1:43:40] second motion's been made in second it
all in
[1:43:43] favor Jennifer are you good can I ask
one more question when you do the final
[1:43:48] report could you be as elaborative and
as specific as you comfortable being uh
[1:43:55] about the current situation what the
risk are for us so we have enough
[1:44:00] professional input that allows us to
make a decision as a governing body sure
[1:44:05] thank you before you close Chad Paul
outstanding work this is phenomenal
[1:44:11] amount of
[1:44:15] work I'm sorry
[1:44:23] well camera I prer to go yeah so people
[1:44:34] know Robert patillo at 606 Short Street
um I have just one question because I I
[1:44:41] have no idea whether whoever whether
your projections what your or your
[1:44:47] source of your projections are taking
into are taking into account SE
[1:44:51] increasing civil uh sea level
rise um with increasing sea level rise
[1:44:59] won't that also increase population
growth out of
[1:45:04] necessity that's those are my my two
[1:45:09] questions so I guess relative to those
questions I would
[1:45:14] say you know befco looked as far as
growth rates are concerned at other
[1:45:20] sources if you will that are more in
tune to rejecting those things than we
[1:45:24] are and I certainly can't speak to
whether or not they Incorporated that
[1:45:27] that thought process in those um I would
like to think in some ways our growth
[1:45:32] rate is is conservative but at the same
time I thought vast drop's growth rates
[1:45:38] were overly conservative when I looked
at those back in 2017 and I'm fairly
[1:45:42] confident they went past those
thresholds um as as as far as any other
[1:45:48] impacts U groundwater wise obviously
we're we're much we are higher than sea
[1:45:53] level as far as that goes and any
groundwater impacts we are one of the
[1:45:57] things that I'm still working on the
cost estimate is my understanding is one
[1:46:01] of the the couple lines that led over to
Willow when they were first constructed
[1:46:04] did run into groundwater issues when
those were constructed um trying to get
[1:46:09] a better idea of what that cost may be
when we were to go in and and try to
[1:46:14] replace those lines so as far as you but
that's not necessarily gerine to a sea
[1:46:19] level thought process
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