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Morning, welcome to the Snohomish County Council, Health and Community Services Committee. Today is Tuesday, January 27th.

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It's 11 a.m. We're meeting the Jackson Boardroom and also remotely. Before we get into the agenda, I'll read a brief public comment script.

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We'll be taking public comment beginning in person and then remotely. In Zoom, you'll click the hand icon to raise your hand.

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If you're calling by phone, you'll press star 9 to raise your hand. When called to hand, press star 6 to unmute.

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Each speaker will have three minutes to speak, and please start your comment with your name and your city of residence.

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Now we'll do a roll call.

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Committee Chair Mead.

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Here.

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Vice-Chair Loh.

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Present.

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Committee Member Nearing.

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Here.

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Committee Member Dunn.

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Here.

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Committee Member Peterson.

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Chair, there are four members present.

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Great.

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Thank you.

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So with that, we'll go ahead and get into public comment.

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We'll open up public comment for anyone that would like to give comment in person.

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Go ahead and step up to the podium.

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Seeing none, I'll verify we have no hands raised online.

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Oh, we do have public comment.

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Welcome.

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Sir, if you're this poor guy on a scooter,

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trying to get past this, the propane tanks,

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and oftentimes too, they actually parked their van on the right-of-way

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and on the sidewalk.

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And this is the Starbucks over here in Mill Creek,

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and there's a veterinary clinic here.

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And where they set up is actually on the grass

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and on the sidewalk in between two trees. At this particular stand, I know there

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are other ones in all the jurisdictions. My sister even sent me an article from

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Tacoma where they've got this, you've probably seen it, or they have this big

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hunk of meat. I don't know if it's frozen on the inside or worms crawling

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around or what, but it's kind of disgusting. But anyway, there's a

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picture that Tacoma News had of like four of these outside of a house next to gas cans,

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which I assume are the generators. That's what those gas cans are for. And they cook these

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out of a home. They have no health permits. I don't know if I'm on a time limit here,

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but...

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We've got your family. We don't. Yeah, we do have your time right there.

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Okay. Is it two minutes?

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Yeah, three minutes.

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Three minutes. Okay. And anyway, I guess today I just want to express I'm not

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anti-immigrant. I'm actually pro-legal immigration and my friend has a taco stand which is actually

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visually in line with this illegal stand. When I say illegal, I mean no health department

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certification at all, no hand washing. I mean, the list is too long to go down and I'm sure

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they'll go over that today. But anyway, so it's fairness. It's a fairness issue and

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And my friend Carlos can't be here today because he's opening his taco stand legally.

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He has the health department all the permits, three departments sync, the whole works.

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So anyway, I just wanted to say that I think it's really a fairness thing.

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It's a hazard.

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They used to put the tent poles right on the edge.

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I know I'm over time.

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But anyway, I just wanted to let everybody know that I think it's not fair that

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this group of people are, you know, skirting all of the legal processes.

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They're not paying federal tax, sales tax, any of the county fees, they're not

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using the health department and anyway that that's just what I wanted to say

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today and my friend is here, Carlos's wife and I think she has something to

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say as well. Thank you. Thank you for your comment. Thanks for joining us.

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You have additional comment in person?

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Okay, no worries.

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Welcome.

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Hello, my name is Rosario.

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I live in Monroe, Washington.

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I'm here in regards to also support my husband and his business.

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He does have a taco, a food stand over in Linwood, Washington.

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And it has been complicated with the street vendors.

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Since he is going to be in a year since April, since he's been open, and since the street vendors have been basically on the streets, it has been making it really difficult, really difficult.

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And I do have a lot of friends and a few family members that do live in Everett and Landwood.

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And that, you know, they like to go around and see how the street vendors are and stuff like that.

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And that the stuff that they would do is kind of disgusting that they would like, you know, dump their grease, like on the side of the, I would say, like the traps down on the cements.

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And of course there's no sanitary, nothing at all.

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And of course we do things the right way and it should be the right way.

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Of course, we go to the commissary and all that stuff and we try to make everything nice

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and healthy so nobody gets sick and all.

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And to be honest, like I said, it's just been, it's kind of like a competition in a way.

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But to be honest, we're doing the things the right way and while the street vendors

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are just making it just much more complicated on my husband's business.

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So we're here to see in which ways that we can support and do all that and make

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get much more easy for businesses around him.

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Thank you.

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Thank you for joining us.

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Thank you.

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You have any other comments in person?

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All right, I'll turn to see if we have anyone online.

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No hands are raised.

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All right, great.

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So we will close public comment,

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and we will jump into our discussion items.

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So we have two discussion items today.

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We have DEM joining us, but we're going to do that second.

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So first we have our Unpermitted Roadside Stand Briefing.

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This stemmed from councils getting a lot of emails from constituents talking about what we just heard in public comment

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and some other comments around these illegal street vendors.

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And some of the council members had conversations with our health department.

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I know that I have in conversations with our law enforcement team as well.

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And it seems to make sense to kind of get everybody here to be on the same page.

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Each council can be asking kind of questions in unison and I'll be here in the same information

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and make sure that the public is getting that information as well.

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So I appreciate the Health Department for joining us today.

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We have Tony Kalinas here who is going to, I think, start us off with a presentation

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and then stand for questions.

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All right.

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Well, thank you and I'll turn it over to you.

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Thank you.

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Everything set up here?

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Well, good morning.

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Thank you again for inviting us here to present on this topic.

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Again, I want to point out to the pictures, those are the two stands we're typically

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talking of.

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their umbrella cart stands and then they're also going to be the 10 by 10

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canopies selling the meat on a spit as we go through the discussion today. I'm

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unable to advance my slides.

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I want

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to take the opportunity to just do a

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quick run through the food program in the county. Our primary mission is to

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safeguard public health and provide consumers food that is safe and not

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adulterated and honestly presented. We do 3,600 permits in the county for

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routine food. Last year, we had over a thousand complaints. That is for sanitary

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conditions as well as foodborne illness. Of those 1,300 were for food

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illness. We do 1,200 temporary event permits, and so temporary permits are

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you think of festivals, fairs. We had over 400 plan reviews. That's new

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businesses opening plan revisions that we deal with. And we lead first with a

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health education. That is our primary focus is before you go to

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enforcement is trying to educate folks on the rules and the code.

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Our regulatory authority, so the FDA oversees all retail food in the state and the country.

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They allows states can choose their own food code or adopt the FDA retail food code.

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State of Washington has adopted its own code, and so all of our authority comes from the

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retail food code adopted of the State of Washington.

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The Board of Health, the Snomers County Board of Health can adopt code and change

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code that way to make it stricter.

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right now our code is adoptions outside of the state code are primarily on fee

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schedules but there is that's where our regulatory powers come from. Again what

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are we talking about today these uncommitted roadside stands they are

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they're they're primarily we have the umbrella carts selling chicken products

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and and melons cut fruit and then we'll have these 10 by 10 stands that

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set up doing it's taco taco's pastore on the spit I want to these are

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not food trucks. There are permitted food trucks that are allowed and are permitted.

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These stands as they currently operate are not permitted by us and is highly unlikely we would

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ever be able to permit them. Just so everyone knows they're not permitted. We see them operating

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and the reasons largely around they just they have no ability for water or wastewater

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to acquire or dispose it and they also don't have the ability to separate food or keep

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food at proper temperatures.

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So that's the primary risk we're seeing out there is lack of sanitation.

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There's no hand washing facilities, no employee bathroom access.

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The food storage, in fact, in this picture here, you see the temperature.

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That is, we're working with law enforcement and we're able to go through and take temperatures

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of the meat when we shut one of these stands down.

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And we've seen that this is how exactly the temperature, 53 degrees, where you

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would grow bacteria.

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And there's no separate areas to store the food.

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And so the food is cross contaminated.

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It all gets packed into a vehicle, sand containers, and I will tell anecdotally a story that as

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we – I'll go further.

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As we've shut these down, we'll go late into the night shutting them down.

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We've shut them down early in the evening and moved on to other locations that seem

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the same operation set up again later in the evening.

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The food inside has never seen a refrigerator, so we – you know, it sat out for eight

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hours in the back of the – that was in August, just for an example of the roadside

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stands.

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And it's been a massive growth.

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Both the proliferation has been, we went from hardly having any of these to, we've closed

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over 40 this 2025.

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And besides, I want to also mention, besides the health risk, other agencies are running

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into waste disposal issues.

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Some cities in the county have had issues with these folks dropping their wastewater

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down into the storm drains and having to bring factor trucks out to unclog the drains.

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It's a big problem in King County as well.

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Transportation, as was mentioned earlier, the sidewalks are blocked.

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They're impeding travel on the sidewalk.

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When these stands first started in the county, they would set up on private property.

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And when we discover them, we would reach out to the private property owner and work on trespassing, and it worked.

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But other than the right-of-way, as you know, it's difficult to trespass folks in the right-of-way.

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So these operations are in the right-of-way right on the sidewalk, blocking the sidewalk.

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I receive a lot of complaints about the stands being opened, but one of the reasons I wanted to mention it today is

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One of the complaints I do receive is about the danger of the propane tanks.

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I had a gentleman call last year to let me know that he actually hit one of the propane tanks,

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the vehicle on the side of the road.

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So that's why I showed that there.

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So it is a transportation only impeding the traffic, but just a safety issue in general.

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And then again, economic fairness.

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The Unpermitted Roadsight stands to take away business from properly permitted establishments.

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You know, who have business licenses, both city and state,

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were required, a FAR department approval, and are following labor rules.

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So what do we do?

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So what we currently are doing is we see a stand in operation or we receive a complaint

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for the stand from the public.

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Our staff will go out and visit the stand issued a cease and desist letter.

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This letter lets operators know they need a permit to continue operation.

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We wait for them to shut down.

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We also provide them information on how to obtain a permit.

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We provide that information in both English and Spanish.

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And to date, we've had none of these operators have turned in a permit to try and get an application to get a permit.

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But what we've done as they've moved mostly to after-hours responses, we try and pair up our after-hours response with an event.

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We're already working at TEMP event.

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As the past couple of months, we've been teaming up with law enforcement teams and we go out in the evenings with law enforcement.

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We try and get – when our complaints – we try and get to as soon as possible, but we need to coordinate with law enforcement to go out in the evenings and shut the stands down.

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But as I said earlier, they tend to open right back up on the next day.

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In May, to try and get information out, we activated a closure website to where we can post our closures.

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So we've been – so the public could know that these – where these stands are, that they're not permitted.

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And again, we've worked out, on those notices, we made the decision to only keep them up for 90 days so the list doesn't become stale.

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So we are getting out there, so we'll reinspect a lot of the closures up there.

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We've closed multiple times and we'll keep doing it.

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But I didn't want the list to just be a stale list because the stands do move around from intersection.

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They're not always at the same intersection.

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They'll move around.

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They'll move around to different spots in the same night.

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We're working on partnerships with the county law enforcement and the city law enforcement,

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and we're really putting a focus on the supply side, on public outreach, on notifying the

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public about the hazards of eating at these stands, and how to identify a permitted establishment.

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I want to share on the numbers too, it shows up there.

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We track all of our complaints, and in 2022 we had 16 complaints for these roadside

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stands and it grew all the way to last year we had 203 complaints and we did a

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five foodborne illness complaints associated with these stands from last

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year and in kind of a metric we use is we ten percent of foodborne illness is

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reported so we can multiply every time you see that you report it by times of

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five. Again we've had 40 closures of stands since May

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And then staff time. We started tracking this separately from a regular complaint time in September when we started doing stand-alone time.

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Staff was going out separate of other duties, and so we've had 62 hours of after-hours response since September to try and enforce on these stands.

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These are some links I wanted to share today. The first link is our notification webpage.

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It's where we track all the closures. You can go there and see it.

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We also discuss what a permit looks like so folks know what a permit is and what to look for.

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Operators are supposed to have their permit on hand.

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The second link is information we put out just of the risk of eating unpermitted food trucks.

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And the third link is a story our comms team worked with King Five On last fall.

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And again the issue is to get information out that this is a problem and really to look for a permit.

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What does a permit look like?

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And the last article, this isn't just a Stomach County issue, this really is a

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region-wide issue in the Western United States all over. Our neighbors in

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Tacoma Pierce County have the same problem and they used a tax and police

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enforcement team to get into a home that was a kitchen making the food down

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there. And those are pictures there of what that kitchen looks like. It is

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it is incredibly unsanitary. We want to share all that information. So why

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Why are we having a hard time with enforcement on these?

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So again, we can only enforce the retail food code.

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Our inspectors are not law enforcement officers at all, and so we run into an issue of identification

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of operators.

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We can't request ID, and in a normal system for us, we would go into civil proceedings,

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and so until we can identify who actually owns these stands, that's where we would

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take civil proceedings to.

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Our enforcement we have now is all based around somebody having a permit.

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So once you have a permit, there's all sorts of enforcement things you can do,

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but if you don't have a permit, there's not a lot of enforcement set up.

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Again, civil proceedings, which would be our normal course here, take time and resources,

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and when the stands are opening, up and closing, switching operators,

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it's not a very effective tool.

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And then even for us going out and doing these closures,

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We're still continuing to do them so we can notify the public, but we really need an

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actual enforcement staff after closure.

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Like I said, well, we've closed these down, and we see them open the same night, and that's

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working in conjunction with law enforcement.

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They open up.

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One of the cities that we worked with, they were working – they were trying to close

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the establishment down five nights in a row, and it still just popped up every night

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for five nights in a row.

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And as of late, we're running the safety issues with staff.

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These stands are not operating during the day.

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they pushed in the later hours in the evening and it's not from the operators

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we're running more into safety issues from the crowds when we shut them down

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so that's why we really want to partner with law enforcement as we're out

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doing this.

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Ideas we have reached out to partners across the state across the

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country we've met with out-of-state health departments to get ideas some

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of the ideas we're looking at is license plate tracking all these the

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stands have vehicles parked there but the umbrella carts don't the

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carts just dropped off and they're left there all day just on that but the

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canopies have vehicles. We've done some tracking early on a lot of time it goes

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to rental agencies or it goes back to a house and we'll send the cease and desist

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letters to them and get no response. It's an idea if we're able to partner more

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with law enforcement that's an option.

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That kitchen picture from Turlima

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Pierce is really focusing on the centralized kitchens is putting a

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focus on finding out where the centralized food is being

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prepared, the homes or warehouses where the food is

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prepared at, and really putting an enforcement focus on

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those, getting in there, shutting those down.

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Confiscating food and or the equipment is an idea.

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Right now, we do the season assist letter.

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There's not an economic penalty associated with that.

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It's a season assist letter.

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We wait until they close.

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They turn around, open up a couple hours later.

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At being able to take the food and or the equipment,

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We'll put in an economic cost associated with continuing to operate.

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And one thing we want to do is if we hopefully get a next level enforcement is we do want

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to actively enforce this and put a focus on it when we do get that option to spend a

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couple weeks and months to really get the message out there once we get that new tool.

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And as I said earlier, we really have focused on increased collaboration with our law enforcement

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partners.

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I think the big message I want to share with everybody is in order to be effective

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for this, it's going to be necessary to adopt some code changes and we're going to have

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to work in partnership with other agencies.

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Next steps, again, statewide issue, this has been a big issue for almost a year and a

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half now at the state level.

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The Department of Health has convened a work group with all the local health partners

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along with the state to discuss next steps, share tactics and what works on how to

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enforce unimpermitted roadside stands.

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The work group has had three meetings already.

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There are early stages of discussion with State Attorney General to develop just a legal

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path for food served and improvement establishments to be discarded.

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So that's in the early stages right now.

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We have the same idea here locally.

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We've heard of successes from other agencies around the country having local work groups.

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We're proposing to convene a work group of the local cities and county partners

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and other agencies to share ideas and tactics to find some enforcement ideas.

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And then we want to double down our efforts to get more information out on the public campaign

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about the risk of eating in unpermanent stands and how to identify whether an establishment

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has a permit or not.

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And then we are working towards a solution and we're just going to say we're going

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to need assistance from other agencies to have some success.

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I'd like to open up for any questions.

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Thank you for the presentation.

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Thank you for being here.

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Is that me?

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That's not me.

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Okay.

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It's fixed.

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If you have questions from the Councilmember, we're done.

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Thank you, Tony.

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I appreciate the presentation.

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I appreciate that there's more of a multi-pronged approach.

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Trying to educate the public, I think, is really important so that they understand

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the potential health risk and the fairness aspect.

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I know that this is statewide.

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I appreciate that we're also trying to correct some misinformation, so you sharing

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hearing how much time was put in for overnight response is also really critical.

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I would say we've outlined the concerns.

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I'd say I can't speak for the Board of Health, but as a chair of the Board of Health, we've

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had updates on this a few times.

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I'd say we stand ready if there's some code changes that need to be done.

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So I think it's on our agenda throughout the year.

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But if there are some code changes, that's something that I know that we're happy to work on.

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And I know that you've been working in partnership with law enforcement, including the city.

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So not just our sheriffs, but also connecting directly with city, police, and law enforcement.

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Do you have an idea of the dedicated resources that you've been able to track for some examples of success,

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either in other counties or other states.

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Do you have an idea of what it would take

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for dedicated emphasis for something like this

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to get control of this?

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It's going to depend on what path we take.

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For example, we're in the early stages of food destruction,

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and it depends if we would have to store the food

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for a chance of appeal, you'd have to refrigerate that.

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So the county would have to find a way to store that food.

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So it depends on how our rule of the state of Washington ends up looking like as far as cost.

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If we can dispose of it on site or dispose of a mealy in a dumpster, that would lower the cost dramatically.

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Other success stories have been around taking the actual and hauling off the equipment,

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which would involve getting a truck hauling it off and storing it in suicide locations.

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And then, yeah, there would be some costs associated.

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It's all evening work, so evening response time for sure.

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Just a quick follow-up on – so the state, we have to wait for the state to decide what

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you can do with, for instance, the food storage or can localities decide.

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We don't care – like if we can pass a code that says if you don't have your permit

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readily available and you're not willing to cooperate and show us your idea or whatever

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it is, like we can write this code that says then we give our health department

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enforcement or maybe law enforcement, whatever, the ability to discard the food or do we have

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to wait for the state to tell us?

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I think as far as our authority comes to the state, there would be a question for the

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PA's office on whether would it be going too stringent if we were to then allow it?

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For instance, when we were doing Blake a couple of years ago, this has nothing to

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do with the health department, obviously, but individual jurisdictions were able to

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decide what penalties we wanted for what drugs that were used and the state wasn't

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superseding us until the Blake decision.

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So that's what I'm trying to figure out is we don't have

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our own abilities to say we actually don't want this

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here even if the state thinks it's OK, or if the state wants

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to require certain steps to be taken, refrigerating the food,

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et cetera.

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If we just said no, and so it's kind of a huge problem.

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It's completely unfair.

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It's unsafe.

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If you're not willing to show us your permit, we're

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going to throw your food away.

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It would be something we'd have to look into in the

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But I think it would be doable, and the question would be, is it from the health department standpoint,

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is would it be going against what the code is saying in a more strict way or not?

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That's the question, I think.

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Right, but I don't want to cut your line of questioning off if you were still doing questions.

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I'm on a different line now.

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Okay, I'll come back to all of this, I promise.

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I was done with my questions.

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All right, never mind.

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I'm going to keep going.

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Do you have questions?

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Okay.

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Okay. So we, as a county, you're saying we have to figure out if it's against our code

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or not. I brought this up three months ago. It might have been more than that with the

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health department because I sit on the board of health as well. And you're saying that

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we've closed 40, we've had 40 closures since May of 2025. You gave us the numbers of closures

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or complaints, 16 in 2022, I think you said, and then over 225. So you've kind of seen

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this escalation. I know I'm not the only council member that's brought this issue up either.

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So what I'm confused about is you're saying there could be code changes. We've still got

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a lot of work to do and a lot of coordination on this, but it's been months. And it's probably

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been, I think I'm being generous, it's probably been a year plus that we've had this issue

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multiple years that we've had the issue. But a year or two since we've had council

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members like getting involved and in complaints and all this, it feels very frustrating

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As a community member, I live in Mill Creek, and I know the stand you're talking about,

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but also there's a stand on Boff Lever Highway 164th, like in everybody's face, blocking

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a very utilized sidewalk.

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I even know for sure that I literally have made a complaint, and there are many, many

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constituents that have made a complaint about that stand.

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It's been over a year at least since we've been making these complaints.

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What is taking so long for even a code change proposal to come to us?

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So, Council Member Mead, if you may, I'm Kim Van Pelt.

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I'm the Health Department Director.

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I've been with the Health Department since late October.

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I do believe that the Health Department recognizes that this is a significant concern for many constituents within the county,

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and it is a significant concern for the Health Department.

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I just want to be clear that when we talked about confiscation of food or confiscation of equipment, that we had received a prior P.A. advisory letter talking about our authorities, and our authority in this area was confusing, basically, from the P.A.'s response.

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And so one of the things we looked at is in these discussions at the State Department of Health, they believe they are investigating themselves whether there isn't currently authority to take food.

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And so it seems that the most expeditious path forward would be if once they get that clarification, if there's already the authority, there doesn't need to be any other change.

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So we're right now trying to get clarity about that issue in particular.

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That will help inform some of our future actions.

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Is that authority that you're saying our PA gave?

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And they're saying, ah, there's ambiguity about if we...

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They say there's ambiguity.

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Now, do you...

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They say county code or the state law...

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It's the state.

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I believe it's the state code.

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So if I was to pose a question to our PA and said, okay,

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let's assume the state doesn't give us authority.

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Can we change county code?

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I believe we probably could ask again for the PA's clarification on that.

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But again, our thinking is that since TOH is already investigating and seems poised to quickly be able to render some sort of

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reading of the state law or the state code related to authority to take food, that that's the most expeditious path forward.

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I hear you you sang the word quickly, but I don't I mean it feels frustrating that I've been working on this for months or a year

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And yeah, yeah, and we're now it's like well

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Let's wait to see what the state says and I don't trust that the state is going to do this. I think that's

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So I feel like going to prongs with this asking the prosecutor's office

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Let's assume the worst. Yeah state is there something we can do at the local

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They just say no the state supersedes period whatever the state health authority says is what it is

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But we haven't even asked a question yet.

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And I hear what you're saying.

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I think our next step is we are poised to very soon have that convening that Tony talked about of local partners and look at what our next steps are in terms of this issue.

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We are not just waiting for the state to take action.

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We are looking at a simultaneous track of trying to take action at the local level.

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Okay, got it.

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All right, that's what we're doing.

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Yeah, thank you.

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So question, and this would probably

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require a change of state law, but I guess just a question

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on potential enforcement mechanisms.

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Have we considered treating this in a similar way

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as we treat a traffic infraction, for example?

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I'm just thinking, if I have somebody who's just

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constantly speeding through school zones

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and causing a danger for students and whatnot,

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if we're politely saying please don't do that anymore,

452
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,800
but we have no way of making that individual feel

453
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,380
some pain in the form of having

454
00:29:55,380 --> 00:29:59,240
to pay a fine or having a license removed or what not.

455
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:04,420
But the enforcement is what allows us to get a hold of that and prohibit that activity

456
00:30:04,420 --> 00:30:08,620
from continuing. So is there a way to treat these in a similar fashion where we do have

457
00:30:08,620 --> 00:30:12,220
the ability, whether it's through state law, to say we need your ID and we're going to

458
00:30:12,220 --> 00:30:16,320
issue a civil infraction and you're going to have to pay a fine and maybe that fine increases

459
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,880
as time goes on. Is that something that's being considered?

460
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,160
That is something that's being considered and that's where it comes to the partnerships.

461
00:30:21,660 --> 00:30:24,760
And since we're not law enforcement, it would have to come from the law enforcement side

462
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,920
to do misdemeanors. But that's why we're excited to get the convening of all

463
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,760
the local cities and county partners together because that is if we go to the misdemeanor

464
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,520
option that would be something we could do with law enforcement.

465
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,860
Can we adopt that as a county or do we need to wait for the state?

466
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:40,140
That I'm not sure of.

467
00:30:40,260 --> 00:30:42,740
I'm not sure on the PA's process for that at all.

468
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:45,000
Thank you.

469
00:30:45,060 --> 00:30:45,360
That's helpful.

470
00:30:45,820 --> 00:30:50,380
And then just a separate question, but I went on a ride along with law enforcement

471
00:30:50,380 --> 00:30:53,340
and we're taking a look at some of these in person.

472
00:30:53,340 --> 00:30:57,800
And yeah, the pictures tell the whole story.

473
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,720
I mean, this is causing significant issues

474
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,760
for the community, both for health concerns

475
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:04,580
and we heard about the issues it's

476
00:31:04,580 --> 00:31:06,540
causing for people who are trying to operate the right way.

477
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:09,900
It seemed to me from my conversations

478
00:31:09,900 --> 00:31:12,560
that there was some sort of coordination behind all this,

479
00:31:12,660 --> 00:31:14,960
like the stands were in some way coordinated.

480
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:15,920
Is that your understanding?

481
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:17,340
Anecdotically, yeah.

482
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,000
When we shut stands down, they're

483
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,820
on the phone to somebody else and they're moving location.

484
00:31:21,820 --> 00:31:27,380
that getting moved around. We've heard stories from cities where they've done a good job of

485
00:31:27,380 --> 00:31:30,680
closing with the city and they set right outside city limits knowing exactly where the city limit

486
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:34,680
line is waiting for the next enforcement. So yeah, I do believe they're coordinated.

487
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:39,260
Is there a thought to, again, this is multiple counties, it sounds like it's

488
00:31:39,260 --> 00:31:42,660
going to show all over the place asking the state if they can convene some sort of a task

489
00:31:42,660 --> 00:31:47,900
force if this is coordinated at a multi-county level? That's what we're hoping we get out of

490
00:31:47,900 --> 00:31:52,720
both the state convening we have currently in place and getting out of the local convening

491
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:58,400
is just some direct, because I think there is some definite partnerships across enforcement

492
00:31:58,400 --> 00:31:59,300
lines here for sure.

493
00:31:59,880 --> 00:31:59,940
Got it.

494
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:00,380
Okay.

495
00:32:00,580 --> 00:32:01,380
We are looking into that.

496
00:32:01,620 --> 00:32:02,560
Thank you.

497
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:04,040
Other questions?

498
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:04,640
Councilor Dunn?

499
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:12,500
So inspectors do not have law enforcement authority to require or request identification.

500
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:13,000
That's correct.

501
00:32:13,300 --> 00:32:16,160
What are some pros and cons of changing that law?

502
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:19,760
If inspectors were allowed to do that?

503
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:26,680
Well, one of the cons would be you would just change what our inspectors are doing with that education first function.

504
00:32:27,940 --> 00:32:31,500
You know, the pro would be we would be able to enforce quicker.

505
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:36,140
We wouldn't have to search for other, you know, support from other agencies to do the enforcement for us.

506
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:42,120
And are you seeing safety risk for inspectors when they go out?

507
00:32:42,180 --> 00:32:42,920
We are. We are.

508
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:49,200
That's when we started getting agitated crowds and so we started sending either in pairs

509
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:50,540
or with law enforcement.

510
00:32:50,700 --> 00:32:54,580
So law enforcement's our priority to go out with first and if we don't, for me, a

511
00:32:54,580 --> 00:32:55,680
self-compliance will go out in pairs.

512
00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:01,340
I appreciate the effort to coordinate with law enforcement, but also recognize that

513
00:33:02,260 --> 00:33:05,720
they're also strained by resources.

514
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:18,660
So a review of kind of understanding the impacts financially and resource-based would be like both the health department and our law enforcement partners. Thank you.

515
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,480
Other questions from council members? Anyone online?

516
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:23,760
Yeah, I have a question.

517
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:30,400
Yeah, thank you for the presentation. Today I've been asking for this for a long time, so thank you.

518
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:36,680
do. I do think we should confiscate the food. I do think we should confiscate the equipment.

519
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:43,940
This is clearly coordinated. But my question is, have we worked with the Department of

520
00:33:43,940 --> 00:33:50,740
Revenue at all to maybe go to one of these taco stands, pay through their Venmo? We

521
00:33:50,740 --> 00:33:56,220
know what their Venmo is. And then clearly I don't think they're paying any state,

522
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:01,340
local or federal taxes. So, is there any opportunity to partner with them?

523
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,000
Possibly. Again, when we convene at the state level, we're hoping to give that information.

524
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:10,180
Tomorrow level is local. We just haven't reached out to revenue agencies yet.

525
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,280
We've been working with local law enforcement primarily, but it is an option.

526
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:21,580
And thank you for that. Also, I think you closed down a stand last week,

527
00:34:21,580 --> 00:34:25,100
and it's my understanding I think it was closed down at four o'clock or so.

528
00:34:25,100 --> 00:34:31,620
you guys did a great job. But three hours later it's open in the same location. So I mean we talk

529
00:34:31,620 --> 00:34:37,860
about these closures but they're closures for a few hours. Is that something that you guys have

530
00:34:37,860 --> 00:34:44,120
experienced through this process? Yes, I would say of the 40 closures, most of them are duplicate

531
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:49,740
closures, same location. Yeah, our team went out last Thursday with the Stomach County Sheriff's

532
00:34:49,740 --> 00:34:54,180
office and shut down eight stands and that was the first one and as the

533
00:34:54,180 --> 00:34:56,700
inspectors are going home for the evening they saw that one open again

534
00:34:56,700 --> 00:35:02,320
one o'clock in the morning so yeah we do see that frequently. And then I want to

535
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:06,220
close with this I mean this was first brought to my attention about a year

536
00:35:06,220 --> 00:35:11,500
ago or so from one of my minority business owners who runs a restaurant

537
00:35:11,500 --> 00:35:17,640
who pays the fee to the health district to operate pays rent I think

538
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:23,640
seven eight ten thousand dollars a month in rent and having these set up within half a block of

539
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:31,080
their location. I'm very familiar with Carlos and his location I've eaten there before. I know the

540
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:37,260
struggles that Carlos has had in opening his stand where it's taken like six months of no

541
00:35:37,260 --> 00:35:44,520
income to him and his family in order for them to be licensed properly and have the proper stuff

542
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:49,900
And it just kills me to have a business, a minority business owner who's come to this

543
00:35:49,900 --> 00:35:57,260
country to open a business legally, to have other businesses set up within a half a block

544
00:35:57,940 --> 00:36:02,480
who are basically making it so he's probably not going to be able to provide for his family.

545
00:36:02,700 --> 00:36:10,580
So I really hope we can work together to really get to the bottom of this and like

546
00:36:10,580 --> 00:36:12,740
I said, I'm all for confiscating the food.

547
00:36:12,740 --> 00:36:18,840
I'm all for confiscating the equipment because this is too big of a health crisis in our

548
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:24,220
county, and we cannot afford to have people getting sick and going to our emergency rooms

549
00:36:24,220 --> 00:36:29,360
because we haven't taken proper steps as a county to shut this down.

550
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:30,820
So that's all my comments.

551
00:36:31,020 --> 00:36:32,580
Thank you for the presentation today.

552
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:33,860
Thank you.

553
00:36:35,240 --> 00:36:37,760
Other questions from Councilmember, Councilmember Dunn?

554
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,320
So can you request that that state workgroup includes commerce?

555
00:36:41,860 --> 00:36:46,040
well I'll bring it up at our next meeting for sure great great idea and then is

556
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:52,580
the concern risk so if we were to confiscate food or equipment the county

557
00:36:52,580 --> 00:36:59,980
would be liable for lost profits or the concern is just I'm sorry it's take a

558
00:36:59,980 --> 00:37:05,100
property you know with when we have the permit it's outlined that we can take

559
00:37:05,100 --> 00:37:08,860
property and actually to close down and cease operation but when without a

560
00:37:09,460 --> 00:37:12,080
How do we take the property from somebody on the street?

561
00:37:12,900 --> 00:37:15,740
Because it's essentially a government seizure of property when we do that.

562
00:37:15,820 --> 00:37:17,220
So what's the justification for it?

563
00:37:18,220 --> 00:37:22,180
And the state's looking through health channels if they can find it

564
00:37:22,180 --> 00:37:26,040
and working with the state attorney general to see if that exists in the current code,

565
00:37:26,060 --> 00:37:28,880
that we can use it, or there's something they do at a state level

566
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,720
that we can use to then justify confiscating the food without a permit.

567
00:37:33,860 --> 00:37:44,420
Can we also look at whether or not businesses where property owners can file as a trespass

568
00:37:44,420 --> 00:37:51,900
area so that if you have on record that you're a no trespassing area, then if a food stand

569
00:37:51,900 --> 00:37:59,960
opens up there, then that gives more tools for law enforcement to trespass a business

570
00:37:59,960 --> 00:38:02,460
operating there or one of these food cards operating there?

571
00:38:02,460 --> 00:38:04,140
haven't looked in that, something to look into for sure.

572
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,060
Other questions from council members?

573
00:38:09,340 --> 00:38:10,920
Okay, so I have a couple more questions.

574
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,400
So you have done the 40 closures

575
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,340
and presumably these closures

576
00:38:15,340 --> 00:38:16,900
have incorporated law enforcement?

577
00:38:17,580 --> 00:38:18,580
Most of them, okay.

578
00:38:18,720 --> 00:38:19,340
Most of them.

579
00:38:19,340 --> 00:38:21,080
So I get that you have limitations

580
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:22,460
if you don't have law enforcement with you

581
00:38:22,460 --> 00:38:24,460
and you can't take stuff, you can't even ask for ID.

582
00:38:24,620 --> 00:38:24,960
Yeah, you get it.

583
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:26,580
But with law enforcement, you can.

584
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,580
So the law enforcement isn't asking for ID.

585
00:38:29,980 --> 00:38:32,620
Law enforcement is showing up to a unpermitted

586
00:38:32,620 --> 00:38:34,180
or you're not even sure if it's permitted yet,

587
00:38:34,780 --> 00:38:36,320
Health Department said, hey, do you have a permit?

588
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,400
They say F-off, you don't know what to do,

589
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:39,980
you ask law enforcement, law enforcement says,

590
00:38:40,300 --> 00:38:41,800
hey, do you have a permit? They say F-off,

591
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:42,880
and then law enforcement walks away.

592
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:44,260
They have an issue, the same thing.

593
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:45,600
They don't know what justification they have.

594
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:46,420
They have to have a cause.

595
00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:49,820
Aren't these guys in right-of-way blocking public right-of-way?

596
00:38:49,900 --> 00:38:51,940
That's illegal. You can't sleep in the right-of-way.

597
00:38:52,020 --> 00:38:53,080
You can have a tent in the right-of-way.

598
00:38:53,380 --> 00:38:56,400
I can't speak for law enforcement,

599
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,460
but they are not asking for ID either.

600
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:03,880
Okay. How do you know if a food truck has a permit or not?

601
00:39:04,500 --> 00:39:06,680
You just go to the food truck operator and you say,

602
00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:07,160
do you have a permit?

603
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:08,280
That's correct. They'll have a permit.

604
00:39:08,460 --> 00:39:08,820
They're supposed to have it.

605
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:10,020
And they say no. And then what do you do?

606
00:39:10,540 --> 00:39:12,660
For us, we look back in our records and know that if a permit

607
00:39:12,660 --> 00:39:14,860
and they don't, they would issue that cease and desist letter.

608
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:15,860
That's how we would do it.

609
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,320
And then you have a cop next to you with a badge

610
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,440
and then that cop can do nothing different

611
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,160
than what you can already do as a health...

612
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,100
Again, except for the law enforcement agencies,

613
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,640
what they're doing right now, they're not asking for...

614
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:32,620
Okay, but then but why do you even have law enforcement with you or our staff safety just for the safety of the public getting mad?

615
00:39:32,780 --> 00:39:38,280
Because we have been we worked with a couple of cities in the and the county sheriff's office really to go out and get some information about

616
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:43,080
What what the limitations are on enforcement? Yes, right right now. They're they're not and

617
00:39:43,900 --> 00:39:49,380
Everett's working really hard and getting their their ordinance has changed and something there for sure, okay?

618
00:39:50,780 --> 00:39:55,660
That's that's really frustrating and and annoying. It doesn't make much sense to me either

619
00:39:55,660 --> 00:39:59,140
I get that you're not the Sheriff's Department and we should have the Sheriff's Department here as well

620
00:39:59,140 --> 00:40:03,400
I'm going to ask the Sheriff's Department these questions and figure out why they wouldn't be asking those questions. It seems

621
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:10,820
Incredibly reasonable to me that they're doing something legal already just by being in the right of way. You cannot do that

622
00:40:10,820 --> 00:40:14,240
But secondarily they're also operating illegally

623
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:19,520
Without a permit giving unhealthy food. Okay, so why okay?

624
00:40:19,820 --> 00:40:24,540
So I'm gonna ask law enforcement that piece because I don't understand it at all if law enforcement says

625
00:40:24,540 --> 00:40:26,560
Now, yeah, we could actually ask for ID.

626
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:28,880
That seems to solve this problem.

627
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:33,000
Then you can instead of using whatever dollars you're going to allocate to public awareness,

628
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:34,280
which I don't think will work.

629
00:40:34,380 --> 00:40:38,220
I think that would be useless to tell the public, hey, don't eat unhealthy street food.

630
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:39,360
They're doing it.

631
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:40,000
They're going to do that.

632
00:40:40,380 --> 00:40:41,860
So don't waste money doing that.

633
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,740
Have another permit person go out with another law enforcement officer and do more

634
00:40:45,740 --> 00:40:46,580
than 40 closures.

635
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,460
Ask for IDs when you realize they don't have IDs.

636
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:51,240
What do you do there?

637
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:52,160
What are they?

638
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:57,820
You're able to you can't find someone without a permit you said so we're only punishing like the law-abiding businesses

639
00:40:57,820 --> 00:41:01,760
So I get that so then we're not going to punish the ones that are breaking the law

640
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:08,140
But then we're also we're not gonna we're not gonna find them because they don't have ID and you don't get to ask

641
00:41:08,140 --> 00:41:09,760
Them for ID so you can't even give them a fine

642
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,480
You can't arrest anyone. You're not gonna take any of their stuff

643
00:41:14,180 --> 00:41:16,640
Why wouldn't they just why why would they have a permit?

644
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,200
Why would I ever go to the health department and get a permit ever?

645
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:25,020
And this is why it's proliferating because we've said, hey, please don't do it, but we're not going to do anything if you do do it.

646
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:29,040
And now it's like goes from 16 complaints to 200 complaints over three years.

647
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,800
So I'll ask law enforcement that piece and I get that you can't fix that.

648
00:41:34,140 --> 00:41:39,440
We will do this again within a month and we will have law enforcement decide to you and we can decide this.

649
00:41:40,020 --> 00:41:42,240
My last line of questioning is just the timeline.

650
00:41:42,500 --> 00:41:47,760
So you said you were going to do the state and you're going to work with local partners trying to figure out what to expect

651
00:41:48,500 --> 00:41:52,800
and get a little bit more aggressive about when we can expect something. I know

652
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:57,900
we can't figure out the state they got to deal with but our coordination and I

653
00:41:57,900 --> 00:42:01,260
have homework to do that I'm committed to doing figuring out the PA ruling is

654
00:42:01,260 --> 00:42:04,000
it a I don't if we don't have to wait for the state I will propose the code

655
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:09,220
tomorrow to give you authority but if we do okay we'll wait but what about our

656
00:42:09,220 --> 00:42:12,180
coordination that we're doing do you have a timeline on that is it like

657
00:42:12,180 --> 00:42:15,520
this month is it our summer is it coordination we're looking to send the

658
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:16,020
invite out.

659
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:18,040
That's okay.

660
00:42:21,230 --> 00:42:22,950
Hello, Councilmember Mead.

661
00:42:24,770 --> 00:42:25,830
Hello, Councilmember Mead.

662
00:42:26,010 --> 00:42:28,370
Again, Kim Van Pelt, Director for the Health Department.

663
00:42:28,670 --> 00:42:31,610
We have drafted the invitation and I have the invitation list

664
00:42:31,610 --> 00:42:32,790
for the local convening.

665
00:42:32,970 --> 00:42:35,710
We're expecting to have two, two-hour meetings in the month

666
00:42:35,710 --> 00:42:36,130
of February.

667
00:42:37,270 --> 00:42:40,810
And our, do we have some, like, local permitted businesses

668
00:42:40,810 --> 00:42:42,130
invited to?

669
00:42:42,570 --> 00:42:42,950
Or is this trust?

670
00:42:42,950 --> 00:42:46,270
On the invite list includes some association members

671
00:42:46,270 --> 00:42:51,170
For example, hospitality association, economic alliance, et cetera.

672
00:42:51,510 --> 00:42:52,590
Food truck association specifically.

673
00:42:52,590 --> 00:42:55,150
Food truck association is specifically on there also.

674
00:42:55,510 --> 00:42:56,030
Okay, great.

675
00:42:56,410 --> 00:42:56,530
Yeah.

676
00:42:56,790 --> 00:42:56,970
Okay.

677
00:42:57,470 --> 00:43:03,250
And then you said you're sending that out, and then when is the date that you guys

678
00:43:03,250 --> 00:43:04,290
– is it multiple meetings?

679
00:43:04,610 --> 00:43:07,650
It's two two-hour meetings in the month of February.

680
00:43:08,050 --> 00:43:09,410
So one is middle of February.

681
00:43:09,750 --> 00:43:14,010
I think we – I can't remember the exact date, but two in the month of February.

682
00:43:14,010 --> 00:43:34,230
What we're going to be doing at those meetings is review our existing authority, what's been done by not only the health department, but by localities across Nahomish County, what's happening at the state level, what's happening nationally in terms of best practices.

683
00:43:34,230 --> 00:43:45,950
And then we're going to have a discussion about how – what are the next steps in terms of either enhanced enforcement needed or collaborations needed to be able to address the issue.

684
00:43:46,190 --> 00:43:48,790
And that second conversation will happen in the second meeting.

685
00:43:49,130 --> 00:43:49,410
Correct.

686
00:43:49,490 --> 00:43:56,970
Okay, so if your two meetings are done in February, say the next Health Committee meeting in March, we could do this again.

687
00:43:57,050 --> 00:43:59,690
I have you here, but also have the sheriff, maybe the PA.

688
00:44:00,090 --> 00:44:01,470
I think that would be great timing.

689
00:44:01,730 --> 00:44:01,970
Okay.

690
00:44:01,970 --> 00:44:11,070
Yeah, and we'll I'll plan on scheduling that that terrific. Thank you. Do you have any final burning questions from council members or move on to our next discussion?

691
00:44:12,690 --> 00:44:19,410
Okay, I see none. Thank you both for being here. Thanks for answering all the threads. Thanks for the presentation. We'll see you next month. Thank you. Thank you

692
00:44:20,370 --> 00:44:22,210
All right, our next presentation is

693
00:44:23,350 --> 00:44:28,590
From DEM and we have I think Lucia's here Lucia's here. Hello. Welcome. And you also have a presentation

694
00:44:29,930 --> 00:44:31,930
Yes, I can get the presentation queued up now.

695
00:44:41,330 --> 00:44:42,990
Can you make me a – there we go.

696
00:45:22,580 --> 00:45:27,440
While that is coming up, my name is Lucia Schmidt. I am the director of the Snomish County Department of Emergency Management.

697
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:37,640
Thanks for having me here this morning. I just wanted to, I think it should be a little slow to catch up.

698
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:44,960
I wanted to come and just share with you some stories from the historic flooding we experienced last month.

699
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:53,180
So I'd like to just give an overview of the flooding event, of the coordinated response

700
00:45:53,180 --> 00:45:59,160
across the county, some of the remaining challenges, and the next steps because we are still in

701
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:04,680
it both in terms of the government side but also more importantly in terms of the

702
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:05,600
impacted population.

703
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:16,580
So when I say historic flooding, this map shows the extent of what was underwater at

704
00:46:16,580 --> 00:46:18,620
some point during the event.

705
00:46:19,220 --> 00:46:26,280
So it does include, well, so that's a total of 36,000 acres of the county were underwater.

706
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:27,960
That's 56 square miles.

707
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:32,460
And as you can see from the map, there it is,

708
00:46:35,500 --> 00:46:37,080
you know, that does include the river

709
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:38,120
beds themselves.

710
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:39,720
So it's maybe a slight overestimate.

711
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,880
We weren't able to subtract that out from the total, but it's still an impressive amount.

712
00:46:44,220 --> 00:46:59,280
And then also on this map, you can see the areas that, so the levees, the coordinated

713
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,160
for the structures along the Snohomish River.

714
00:47:01,780 --> 00:47:03,420
And what we saw during this event

715
00:47:03,420 --> 00:47:06,780
was that process worked as designed.

716
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,660
So up on the slide now, you can see the river gauge,

717
00:47:11,420 --> 00:47:14,780
the measurements from the Snohomish River gauge

718
00:47:14,780 --> 00:47:16,780
at Snohomish, and you can really see

719
00:47:16,780 --> 00:47:20,660
how it just flattens out and stays there.

720
00:47:20,780 --> 00:47:22,100
And that is because the levees

721
00:47:22,100 --> 00:47:24,580
were overtopping as designed at that point.

722
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:26,760
And so that is why, you know,

723
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:30,860
marshlands, French slew there, received so much water.

724
00:47:31,780 --> 00:47:37,200
But the good news of that is it did divert that water away from more residential areas.

725
00:47:38,940 --> 00:47:43,540
So the other thing that I think is impressive about this gauge is looking at it.

726
00:47:43,780 --> 00:47:49,020
You can see that the Snohomish River spent over 11 days in the action phase.

727
00:47:49,580 --> 00:47:55,320
So this event was not only historic in the, you know, the height of the flood,

728
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:58,120
But it also was just a very prolonged event.

729
00:47:58,740 --> 00:48:03,660
You might have seen during the event that the Atmospheric River we received was 7,000

730
00:48:03,660 --> 00:48:04,260
miles long.

731
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:08,900
So essentially stretched from Washington State to the Philippines.

732
00:48:09,660 --> 00:48:12,040
And then all of that passed through over dumping the water.

733
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:16,540
And then we also had the high atmospheric tides, the king tides at the time.

734
00:48:16,620 --> 00:48:20,500
And those just kind of served as a wall and made it harder for the water to drain

735
00:48:20,500 --> 00:48:24,920
out because the sea level was higher at points during the event.

736
00:48:26,460 --> 00:48:32,880
So just a tremendous amount of water in our systems leading to flooding in all of our

737
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:34,140
major river basins.

738
00:48:36,740 --> 00:48:40,560
It led to four evacuation orders were put into effect.

739
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:48,220
So when my slides catch up, you will see that that was E.B. Island, the Tuolco Valley,

740
00:48:48,220 --> 00:48:54,200
parts of downtown Sultan and then the three River Mobile Home Park at one

741
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:57,940
point or another during the response were under evacuation orders. That's a

742
00:48:57,940 --> 00:49:01,620
total of 790 residents were under evacuation orders.

743
00:49:08,010 --> 00:49:09,890
In order to meet the

744
00:49:09,890 --> 00:49:14,310
immediate life safety needs we had Swiftwater Rescue teams up and down the

745
00:49:14,310 --> 00:49:20,490
river valleys working around the clock. So as of December 13th, so just in

746
00:49:20,490 --> 00:49:28,530
the first four days of the response, there were 68 people pulled from the water and 19

747
00:49:28,530 --> 00:49:31,230
pets were rescued from water rescues.

748
00:49:31,810 --> 00:49:37,110
One rescue alone was a family of 11 people who were pulled from their house.

749
00:49:38,510 --> 00:49:43,510
And then we did, in Snomish County, receive the one fatality that happened in the state

750
00:49:43,510 --> 00:49:45,090
during that flooding event.

751
00:49:45,090 --> 00:49:48,650
And that was a person who drove on a closed road that was flooded.

752
00:49:49,830 --> 00:49:51,770
And just floodwaters everywhere.

753
00:49:52,010 --> 00:49:53,190
You couldn't see where the road turned.

754
00:49:54,450 --> 00:49:59,950
And so the driver ended up in a ditch where the water was quite deep.

755
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:11,640
We activated the County Emergency Operations Center from December 9th until the 24th.

756
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:22,280
And so we had about 20 agencies in the EOC representing county departments as well as some of our partner organizations.

757
00:50:22,820 --> 00:50:34,620
We had Fire and the Weather Service there, and as well as some of the local cities participated at the EOC as well.

758
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:40,680
In that time, a lot of the focus was on pushing information out to the public, and so there

759
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:49,400
were over 2.4 million views of DEM's Facebook page in that time, and 175,000 views to the

760
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:50,120
public safety hub.

761
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:56,060
So there was a lot of interest in the community of what government had to say, what the

762
00:50:56,060 --> 00:50:57,600
government was doing for this response.

763
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:05,940
Here I want to show you, this is one of the areas that was under evacuation zone.

764
00:51:05,940 --> 00:51:10,300
So we have the Google satellite imagery here, so you can see what it normally looks like.

765
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:13,940
And I'd just like to play a video, hopefully, I

766
00:51:17,530 --> 00:51:18,230
don't know if it's going to work.

767
00:51:21,430 --> 00:51:24,450
I can share this video with you offline if you would like.

768
00:51:24,690 --> 00:51:28,650
But you can see here the tremendous impact on the valley.

769
00:51:30,250 --> 00:51:32,590
Oh, now it is starting.

770
00:51:39,780 --> 00:51:44,520
Yeah, well, I ended up having to do my hotspot because I wasn't getting internet

771
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:48,920
at all, but that I think is impacting us now.

772
00:51:52,930 --> 00:51:54,890
I don't know if it's going to be worth doing the videos.

773
00:51:57,590 --> 00:51:58,770
So this is one area.

774
00:51:58,970 --> 00:52:05,010
You can see that there's, you know, 50 mobile homes here, and this was one of the first

775
00:52:05,010 --> 00:52:08,670
places we evacuated and then have

776
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:14,620
been working with the residents throughout recovery.

777
00:52:19,210 --> 00:52:25,330
I'm going to give up on the videos.

778
00:52:35,110 --> 00:52:41,370
So in response to places like the Three Rivers Mobile Home Park, we did work with the Red

779
00:52:41,370 --> 00:52:47,470
Cross to stand up a shelter at the county fairgrounds and approximately 70 individuals

780
00:52:47,470 --> 00:52:49,190
stayed there at one point.

781
00:52:51,270 --> 00:53:00,550
We also stood up the livestock sheltering at the fair park and received over 500 animals

782
00:53:01,010 --> 00:53:03,690
at the fair park at its highest census.

783
00:53:04,390 --> 00:53:14,070
So 171 horses, over 100 cows, 96 goats, 16 pigs, 140 chickens, three rabbits and two

784
00:53:14,070 --> 00:53:14,410
turkeys.

785
00:53:14,410 --> 00:53:22,010
And I think one of the more impressive statistics is that we actually sent home more animals

786
00:53:22,010 --> 00:53:27,390
than we received, because there was at least one birth at the fairgrounds during the event.

787
00:53:28,710 --> 00:53:32,270
I don't know why I'm no longer sharing,

788
00:53:39,530 --> 00:53:40,610
got booted off of Zoom.

789
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:46,310
The next area that I

790
00:54:02,310 --> 00:54:05,070
want to talk about is the impressive work that was done by

791
00:54:05,070 --> 00:54:06,230
the public works crews.

792
00:54:06,230 --> 00:54:13,050
So there were 52 emergency road closures, hundreds of unique locations requiring response

793
00:54:13,050 --> 00:54:16,550
from debris removal to shoulder repairs or washouts.

794
00:54:18,870 --> 00:54:25,130
They inspected more than 30 scour critical bridges and activated the solid waste voucher

795
00:54:25,130 --> 00:54:29,690
program which you all extended through March which has been a tremendous help because

796
00:54:29,690 --> 00:54:33,050
there are places that were still underwater when it initially expired.

797
00:54:35,010 --> 00:54:40,270
This photo here is from an effort that they did along the Mountain Loop Highway due to

798
00:54:40,270 --> 00:54:42,950
some washouts, some active landslides there.

799
00:54:43,190 --> 00:54:48,610
We couldn't open the primary road out, so they had to go out and open portions of the

800
00:54:48,610 --> 00:54:52,550
Mountain Loop Highway so that families that were stuck behind the washout could make

801
00:54:52,550 --> 00:54:57,930
it out or stay put for the winter, essentially.

802
00:55:00,420 --> 00:55:06,700
These are, you know, per public works, the locations that still require repairs.

803
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:14,380
The total estimated damage is 3.6.

804
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:17,760
I recommend talking to public works directly.

805
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,520
Only some of that is federal highway eligible.

806
00:55:20,980 --> 00:55:22,980
Some of it would be FEMA reimbursement.

807
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:25,820
I don't know the fine details of that.

808
00:55:25,820 --> 00:55:32,380
but about $2.4 million of those damages are what we're submitting in the FEMA declaration

809
00:55:32,380 --> 00:55:32,780
request.

810
00:55:37,100 --> 00:55:43,840
So for the FEMA declaration, you know, that is split into two declarations.

811
00:55:44,060 --> 00:55:47,660
There's the individual assistance package, which we've already sent up.

812
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:55,080
And that's the assistance that would go directly to the individuals who are impacted based

813
00:55:55,080 --> 00:56:01,440
off of the data collected from us, from Wattcombe, from Skagit, from King, and Lewis, and Pierce

814
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:10,060
counties. The state says it is the strongest IA package they have sent to FEMA that any of

815
00:56:10,060 --> 00:56:19,280
them can remember. So we are hopeful we will receive good news from FEMA, but it is entirely

816
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:27,900
presidential progative. So there is no way to accurately estimate. On the public damage side,

817
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:34,540
traditionally that has been a little bit more cut and dry. And there is the statewide threshold,

818
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:40,680
which was just published in October, is $14.9 million worth of damage for the state.

819
00:56:41,460 --> 00:56:46,200
We don't – the state is still gathering information. They are out in the community now,

820
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:52,420
joint with FEMA, kind of investigating some of the sites of bigger impact. But just anecdotally,

821
00:56:52,860 --> 00:57:00,800
I think it's easy that the state will be over $120 million worth of damage. So that is bigger

822
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:08,940
than $14.9 million. It's also bigger than the anecdotal four times the declaration threshold,

823
00:57:09,140 --> 00:57:15,440
which is what the administration has signaled. And it's higher than the $81 million, which

824
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:20,780
is a formula based off of total taxable resources, which is something that they've signaled they

825
00:57:20,780 --> 00:57:21,860
ultimately want to go to.

826
00:57:22,500 --> 00:57:30,800
So by all numbers, we have a very strong case for public declaration.

827
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:42,620
The concern here is that a lot of those impacts are in public utilities, are in road repair,

828
00:57:42,620 --> 00:57:51,740
And the current administration has signaled that they feel the federal government is more appropriate in the initial response phase and less so in the long-term recovery phase.

829
00:57:52,080 --> 00:58:02,760
So as you can see in that second chart here, it's really the first two rows in that second chart of debris management and protective measures,

830
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:11,160
which is where the current federal administration likes to believe the federal rule should be and not in those more expensive buckets.

831
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:26,520
Here is another, we'll just call it an aerial view because we're not going to try on the video of the Snomish Basin.

832
00:58:26,740 --> 00:58:31,740
So you can see this road here is Highway 9. Oops, it accidentally thinks I tried to start it.

833
00:58:35,460 --> 00:58:39,400
And so this is the framing shot and then I'll wait for the slides to catch up.

834
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:52,740
There we go.

835
00:58:53,520 --> 00:59:02,220
So, you can see that the area around Highway 9 along the Snomish River is completely under

836
00:59:02,220 --> 00:59:02,520
water.

837
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:11,620
This image does not capture what's going on south of the river, but I can send those

838
00:59:11,620 --> 00:59:12,340
videos separately.

839
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:14,600
Oh, it thinks it's going to try and play it.

840
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:15,700
Pause.

841
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:17,580
Hopefully it doesn't kick me out again.

842
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:32,580
So community recovery.

843
00:59:32,580 --> 00:59:38,960
Some of the work that we've been doing in the community to try to help them recover, we

844
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:46,260
while we were still in the thick of the response, we held a couple of events out in the community

845
00:59:46,260 --> 00:59:52,840
to help them report their damage to us and get some initial supports to community members,

846
00:59:53,100 --> 00:59:57,380
as well as just guidance on what to do if you've lost documents in the flooding,

847
00:59:57,740 --> 00:59:59,820
How, you know, help.

848
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,780
On submitting insurance claims and following up insurance.

849
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:07,240
Just want to note that we are at time for committee, but I don't know if you just have a couple

850
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:11,480
of minutes left if you want to wrap up. I know we have the slides accessible too.

851
01:00:11,940 --> 01:00:17,400
Yes, I have a couple of slides left. I can go quick. So the impact survey that we completed,

852
01:00:17,820 --> 01:00:24,220
we had 184 people submitted surveys, household submitted surveys with over $5 million dollars

853
01:00:24,220 --> 01:00:25,680
worth and structural losses.

854
01:00:27,410 --> 01:00:35,200
We held three disaster assistance centers at the Sky Valley VOA where we assisted 65 households.

855
01:00:36,060 --> 01:00:41,280
We had representatives from state government there, representatives from county government,

856
01:00:41,740 --> 01:00:46,880
as well as representatives from a number of nonprofits that were able to provide immediate

857
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:50,160
assistance to our impacted residents.

858
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:51,300
Some

859
01:00:55,620 --> 01:01:03,920
of the outstanding remaining impacts, so looking at the economic impact on our agricultural

860
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:11,600
community in particular, they really got a brunt of the impacts, just nature of where

861
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:12,480
farms are located.

862
01:01:13,220 --> 01:01:21,100
So there was tremendous loss of hay, of feed, of fences, farm equipment, greenhouses,

863
01:01:21,100 --> 01:01:27,900
nurses, nurseries lost a lot of their plants in their bulbs, hearing anecdotally from some

864
01:01:27,900 --> 01:01:32,900
farmers like if you look at the blueberry crop, you know, even the plants that survive

865
01:01:32,900 --> 01:01:37,440
and they won't all survive, they're looking at like 40% bud loss.

866
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:42,560
So that's 40% lower crop this coming year, even if the plants survive.

867
01:01:42,980 --> 01:01:46,840
And there are some crops like strawberries that we just don't know if they're going

868
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:48,960
to survive until we get farther out.

869
01:01:50,820 --> 01:01:54,180
Greenhouses and hoop houses are another tremendous loss.

870
01:01:55,020 --> 01:01:59,940
And a lot of these – so there was a USDA declaration.

871
01:02:00,380 --> 01:02:05,680
A lot of these costs aren't eligible, and the USDA assistance comes in slowly.

872
01:02:06,020 --> 01:02:10,060
So our agricultural community is going to be hurting this coming season.

873
01:02:12,420 --> 01:02:20,700
Similarly, the impact in our tourism areas, up and down Highway 2, around the Mountain

874
01:02:20,700 --> 01:02:28,500
Loop Highway, so for Highway 2, that period when kids are out on winter break around Christmas,

875
01:02:28,740 --> 01:02:30,120
that is their busiest time of year.

876
01:02:30,460 --> 01:02:34,640
And so they lost that entire season this year.

877
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:39,900
And then what we see here, I think this is Forest Road, I want to say 22.

878
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:44,120
You can see the guy in the yellow hat standing in the ditch there for scale.

879
01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:47,300
But that is not a county road.

880
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:52,360
That is not a road that the county has any part in maintaining, but that is a road

881
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:58,000
that connects the county to the forest and then all of those backpackers, all of those

882
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:00,300
hikers that will come in in the summer.

883
01:03:00,900 --> 01:03:07,120
And so it is we are working closely with the Forest Service to ensure that they can do the repairs they can.

884
01:03:07,420 --> 01:03:14,700
And then, yeah, again, if you talk to public work, she can talk about the coordination on the portions of the forest roads that we do maintain as a county.

885
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:25,780
And then my next last slide is simply talking about the remaining needs.

886
01:03:30,380 --> 01:03:35,260
And the big things that we are hearing from the community in terms of, oh, good grief.

887
01:03:35,260 --> 01:03:36,200
Okay.

888
01:03:37,140 --> 01:03:39,620
Is assistance transporting the debris?

889
01:03:40,340 --> 01:03:46,780
So we have the solid waste vouchers, but those require you to transport it either to a dropbox or to the transfer station directly.

890
01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:53,280
So we're working now with some nonprofits to see if it is possible for us to assist with the transport,

891
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:58,120
have trucks go around with volunteers who can upload stuff because not everyone has access to a truck.

892
01:03:59,380 --> 01:04:06,240
There were a lot of folks living in RVs in the floodplains that were severely impacted.

893
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:16,680
And so there's a lot of RVs that are going to be suffering from mold that will not be

894
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:19,280
healthy homes for people to continue in habit.

895
01:04:19,540 --> 01:04:27,180
So finding ways to connect people with resources to replace those RVs or travel trailers that

896
01:04:27,180 --> 01:04:28,460
are their primary residences.

897
01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:33,860
The uncertainty of federal reimbursement, it had some impacts during the response.

898
01:04:34,220 --> 01:04:35,220
There was a lot of back and forth.

899
01:04:35,420 --> 01:04:41,260
We had to – any resource that we were getting from the state had to be for immediate life

900
01:04:41,260 --> 01:04:47,540
safety rather than instant stabilization, which created some delays that we'll look

901
01:04:47,540 --> 01:04:49,080
at in the after-action review.

902
01:04:49,580 --> 01:04:51,080
Things like getting light, our flights.

903
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:59,280
There was lots of landslides happening around Darrington, and, you know, we wanted to get

904
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:03,380
flights up there to confirm that none of those landslides were impacting populations.

905
01:05:04,140 --> 01:05:08,980
And that was just an ongoing conversation of, is this life safety or is this incident

906
01:05:08,980 --> 01:05:12,920
stabilization just based off of where we were concerned the land was sliding?

907
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:20,960
Things like that, I think if we had more confidence that federal reimbursement would

908
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:25,000
would have come in, then those conversations would have gone more smoothly, it would have

909
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:25,340
been less.

910
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:32,240
We would have been able to make those calls without feeling immediate impacts

911
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:38,660
on budgets, because both the counties budget and the states budget are, as you know, constrained

912
01:05:38,660 --> 01:05:45,400
at the moment. Recovery, roads and trails are the biggest area that is going to require

913
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:49,400
ongoing investment. This here is the White Horse Trail. This washout is one of the

914
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:53,480
places where the White Horse Trail does serve as a flood control structure, and I believe

915
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:54,880
it washed out in a number of places.

916
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:56,880
So the section is closed right now.

917
01:05:57,780 --> 01:06:05,140
It will require some significant engineering to repair that, and so if we don't get the

918
01:06:05,140 --> 01:06:07,200
federal reimbursement, it will likely just stay closed.

919
01:06:08,580 --> 01:06:12,800
And then, like I said, we are conducting an after-action review like we do every time

920
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:18,820
there's an incident to find out what we can do better in the future and to look

921
01:06:18,820 --> 01:06:20,760
at what we did well, and build on it.

922
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:24,360
That's all I've got.

923
01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:25,020
All right.

924
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:26,340
Well, thank you for the presentation.

925
01:06:26,500 --> 01:06:27,240
Sorry for rushing.

926
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:29,440
You're trying to squeeze two presentations in one day,

927
01:06:29,540 --> 01:06:30,360
and I will not do that again.

928
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:32,700
Do we have any burning questions from council members?

929
01:06:32,780 --> 01:06:33,260
Council member Dunn?

930
01:06:33,560 --> 01:06:35,100
I just want to give a quick shout out

931
01:06:35,100 --> 01:06:35,780
to the

932
01:06:38,820 --> 01:06:43,400
animal boarding at the fairgrounds

933
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:45,760
and appreciated all the updates to council

934
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:47,300
during the

935
01:06:50,500 --> 01:06:50,820
patients.

936
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:54,060
And so just really appreciated all the current updates.

937
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:54,560
So thanks.

938
01:06:55,420 --> 01:06:55,940
Council member Neary?

939
01:06:55,940 --> 01:06:57,360
Yeah, just piggybacking on that.

940
01:06:57,600 --> 01:06:58,500
Thank you to...

941
01:07:01,730 --> 01:07:02,070
I agree.

942
01:07:02,330 --> 01:07:05,570
It was heartening to hear all the community members who stepped up and were willing to

943
01:07:05,570 --> 01:07:09,310
lead donation efforts and do what they could to help, so I appreciate all that.

944
01:07:13,450 --> 01:07:18,270
There looks like there might be future volunteer or needs for volunteers for debris cleanup

945
01:07:18,270 --> 01:07:18,770
and all that.

946
01:07:18,990 --> 01:07:23,410
I am going to an event this weekend with some high school football team that's trying

947
01:07:23,410 --> 01:07:26,430
to do some help clean up Instant Home-ish, and so I know that, and they've reached

948
01:07:26,430 --> 01:07:29,370
out to me specifically to say, where can we send all this energy?

949
01:07:29,530 --> 01:07:31,150
There's a lot of students that want to help.

950
01:07:31,150 --> 01:07:38,770
So where would you recommend it? Is there a contact form on the DM website that volunteers can sign up or something?

951
01:07:39,150 --> 01:07:45,610
Yeah. So right now most of the ongoing recovering needs is being coordinated through the Salvation Army.

952
01:07:45,850 --> 01:07:49,210
They have a disaster case management contract through the state.

953
01:07:50,890 --> 01:08:00,790
So I think the best bet for having conversations with their local community, finding out if there are people who need help clearing the debris off their lawns,

954
01:08:00,790 --> 01:08:09,530
I think keeping it local is best for the kind of county-wide cleanup we're hoping to

955
01:08:09,530 --> 01:08:13,790
partner with the Washington Conservation Corps there so we know that they've gone through

956
01:08:13,790 --> 01:08:14,840
training on safety.

957
01:08:16,130 --> 01:08:17,950
That's more like official and coordinated.

958
01:08:18,570 --> 01:08:18,710
Yeah.

959
01:08:18,950 --> 01:08:19,210
Got it.

960
01:08:19,550 --> 01:08:19,810
All right.

961
01:08:20,130 --> 01:08:20,250
Thank you.

962
01:08:20,890 --> 01:08:21,630
Any final questions?

963
01:08:21,890 --> 01:08:22,270
Anyone online?

964
01:08:23,470 --> 01:08:23,930
Okay.

965
01:08:24,470 --> 01:08:25,250
Seeing none, thank you.

966
01:08:25,390 --> 01:08:26,230
Thank you for the presentation.

967
01:08:26,790 --> 01:08:27,010
All right.

968
01:08:27,090 --> 01:08:29,310
And with that council we'll be adjourned for the day.

969
01:08:29,310 --> 01:08:29,390
Okay.

970
01:08:29,710 --> 01:08:30,010
Okay.