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I think you

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» Sorry.

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go ahead and call the uh civil service
commission meeting

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for Tuesday, August 5th uh is now
convened at 12:00 p.m.

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» Roll call.
>> Um Commissioner Gral

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» present.
>> Commissioner

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preser

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Spencer. Secretary Chief Exam here.
Before

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we proceed, is there information about
uh the gentleman sitting next to me?

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» Yes. Um Mr.
>> Did you want to take that in a different

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» I can I can add about it now. Mr.
Slipper um put in his resignation and I

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think I forwarded that to you guys the
letter. um he resigned as of July 28th

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and then um Mayor Sharp appointed Mr.

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» Did you get that email?
>> Yeah,

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» I must have missed that.
>> Forwarded forward. So,

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» thank you.
Okay, we'll move to the agenda items.

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um
minutes of from the 4:14 meeting. Do we

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have copies of those or

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they're right here?
>> Did you want to review these?

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» I don't.
>> Do you have another copy?

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» I just have that one.
>> Just that we'll share. I loaded my

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» I did email that email that I originally
sent for the meeting so that you guys

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can review them. So,
>> oh, this is the

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» Go ahead.
>> Yeah, the 414.

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» Okay. Okay. This wasn't the regular
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» No, it wasn't. It's just the last that
need to be.

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» Yes, I I did I did review those. Okay.
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So
we uh looking for a motion to approve

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the uh minutes for the 41425
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» I make a motion we approving minutes.
>> Motion has been made to approve the

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minutes for 41425
meeting. Any questions or Oh, I'm sorry.

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Asking for a second. I'll second that.
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» point of order. Would he be voting on
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» Can I mean it's just
>> procedial thing?

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» Yeah. Just kind of
>> Yeah, that's what I Any questions or

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comments?
>> We'll go ahead take a vote on favor

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unanimously.

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» Rules to fix the typo
in the U.

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and the um
rules.

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» Yes.
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so just a little background with the our
rules are on page 23 of the rules starts

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the definitions and letter F currently
reads class classific class classified

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service. Classified service means all
positions in the city police service and

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fire service which are fulfilled by
full-time full commission police

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officers or firefighters and which are
subject to the provisions of these rules

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as defined by chapters 2.23 and 2.25 of
the municipal code excluding the chiefs

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of fire and police department. Obviously
that is not correct and you just need to

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correct it. Um it'll be corrected to
read classified service. classified

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service mean all positions in the city
police service which are filled by

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full-time fully commissioned police
officers and which are subject to the

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provisions of these regulations
identified by chapters 2.45 and 2.42 or

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two of the Salt Lake Municipal Code
excluding the chief states.

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And if you guys accept that, um, I have
the signature page signing to adopt the

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rules and then I'll be able to print
that all out and get it forwarded to you

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in a full copy by the end of today.
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Thank you. Uh does our

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ordinance 2.45
and 2.42 do you have those available?

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» I do have the um I did um 2.45 covers
the service civil service commission.

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The 2.42 covers the police department
and there isn't anything left in there

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because they were removed with the chief
in that last ordinance we had. So um I

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pull it up on my phone if you want to
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covering this but I did include the 2.45
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did.
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» the the ordin the council passed the
ordinance to exclude the police chief

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from civil service.
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» Yeah. So I just it um 2.42 covers the
police department in the code but I do

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have a copy of the 2.45 four of them.
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» that's correct.
>> Did anyone want to see this? Any

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questions or discussion?
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» All right. Um,
look for a motion to

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fix the

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rule uh
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to the
secretar's recommendation. Thank you.

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I read it out. So,
we'll look for that motion. Okay.

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» You can just say so move.
>> I'll make a motion. We make the change.

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» Okay. Second.
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» Motion and the second has been made to
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questions or discussion? Taking to vote.
All in favor?

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» I. Motion carries.
>> All right. So now I'll pass along the

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signature page and then I'll just go at
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able to figure it out all the correct

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home if you guys come in, Right.

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Next agenda item, schedule the next
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What are we looking at?

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How's our eligibility list?
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there's two current.

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» And do we have any openings?
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if I don't know if we'll move forward
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staying in five. We do have five ones
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» Okay,
got two and if we need to open it up, we

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can do that.
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» so we're looking at September

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start with your busy schedule, work our
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I really don't know. I have the police
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I have
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» Um so
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I'll see
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might be able to be something in what do
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available.
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» Can't give you dates right now.
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first part of October. But again, we
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meeting
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the other stuff. So it might get until
October too. So we can do a tenative

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meeting.
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» Maybe for the
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» the 23rd.
That's our Tuesday.

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» We'll do that.

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» We're on the same time.
>> Um I usually let the senior center kind

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of but I I prefer 1:30. the 1:30 to work
for you guys better than new. Yes,

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» today it was new because they had other
things scheduled. So, we'll aim for 1:30

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on the 23rd and then I will check with
the senior center get back available for

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next
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» It's a Tuesday.
>> Tuesday. Okay.

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» And just send us out notices if it
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a week before whatever came. It was a
reminder.

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We will either of the commissioners have
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» No, I don't.
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» I'd like to bring up um
an email request that I sent to the

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secretary to review officer Bezabeno's
hiring process.

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did not get a response, but it's still
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» So, um I did respond. Um I did send that
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um you guys are your commission are not
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» and work grounds that she voted that
>> your what your rules um allow you guys

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to be.
You're clear not to receive those that

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you asked for specifically. You asked
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» Yes. I asked for come prepared with the
background report, a psychological

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testing and CJTC equivalency
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» Correct.
>> Those are only reviewed by the hiring.

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» I understand. I'm not looking for the
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outcome of those reports.
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done and he was tired so he passed
everything that's now the past fails and

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» well I have knowledge that there may
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hiring process that's what I'm guessing
so if you have a complaint you can

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forward that to the city or to CJ Thank
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» Or I can open the investigation

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and consult our commission attorney.

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He's been hired for

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and we are directed. You can coun you
have to bring that to the city.

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The irregularity is become even more
significant given the recent accident by

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this officer

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just for the record.
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we'll move to ajourna.
You're going to have public comment.

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» No, we don't have public.
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changed?
on any public comment.

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» I'm okay with it.
>> Oh, I don't care. It's fine with me.

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» Okay, commissioner.
>> That's fine.

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» Okay, go ahead. Where are we as far as
the schedule for the uh cops termination

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period?
>> There'll be a hearing on the 19th. The

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next hearing is on the 19th at 2:00
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» Will that be the actual thought?
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the previous dates that were set.

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at 2 p.m. Yes.

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Anything else?

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Can you give us um secretary, can you
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uh open chief position?
>> Um there is an agenda item on tomorrow's

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agenda for a contract to be um approved
or reviewed by council.

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» Okay.
>> So an offer has been extended to a

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candidate.

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Um, was the position advertised?
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» How many applicants did it?
>> A lot.

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» Oh, good. That's better than what we had
in that. Okay.

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Anything else?
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» We'll move to ajourn.
We adjourn. Okay. Second. Second.

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» All in favor? Meeting journ. Thank you.