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stand Nation
indivisible

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andice

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all right mayor Brian Lewis council
president Roger Perry here councelor

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Jeff Hensley here councelor Dina oler
President councelor Joseph Parsons here

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president Mr may have

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Sarah I'm with the Lin local
paper is this a executive meeting or is

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publicate uh it's a it's a work how do

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you do uh it's a work session so there's
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it is open to the public the meeting is
gonna be it is live streamed on YouTube

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so you can watch after as well awesome
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thanks all righty so we're here tonight
because uh uh we have to make some

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painful decisions to deal with the
result of a natural disaster and that

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our wells are not producing nearly
enough water to meet demand uh we have

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almost completely maxed out our $64,000
budget for water so uh in order to get

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to a full 100,000 we need to uh
basically find uh 40,000 more um and

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I've identified about $30,000 in a mix
of Cuts using our contingency some

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unanticipated funds and having a higher
budget surplus at the end of the last

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year uh then
expected uh that will allow us to make

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these cuts and get 30,000 of it in the
other 10,000 of it can come either from

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cutting our enhanced Surplus or from uh
adding new fees for water and in adding

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new fees for water um the number we I we
were looking at in terms was 9 cents per

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gallon that works out to about the
actual cost of water hauling and the

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idea would be that for everybody who
uses more than 5,000 gallons then every

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gallon over that they have to use they
end up paying nine cents per gallon and

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that would be extended through the water
restriction period um we did get some

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good news this morning from our Public
Works director he believes that the

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wells are picking up enough that we will
be done with water hauling by the end of

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the month so KN on wood cross your
fingers everybody

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what was it oh sorry I thought he gave
heard oh

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good yeah uh my ears aren't doing as
good these days the used to so um that's

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kind of what I wanted to go over tonight
now I did want to make sure that there

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was a picture of where we are
financially um compared to this year why

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did we have such a large Surplus left
over at the end of last year um how can

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we use it
appropriately uh what kind of money is

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going to be left over when we're uh done
making cuts and everything

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else um there are a variety of C that I
had uh looked at and made list so I I

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looked at our non non-critical things
like Parks or community relations which

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is usually used for things of dinner
during a budget meeting and uh uh buying

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a plaque for our city councilors whose
terms ended that kind of thing um those

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uh those non-critical cuts and I looked
at making or non-critical line items I

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looked at making about um 10% Cuts just
kind of across the board to those

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things um let's
see so

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um would that be is it okay to ask
question would it be things like

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reimbursing for attending meetings on
behalf of the

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city that was not identified as a yeah
because I'm still not doing

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yeah I get it yeah and I know personally
I'm looking at that too I I decided to

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pay for my own membership in the city's
reporters Association this year um just

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to take that burden off the city um the
uh what else we got there so those cuts

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there wasn't a lot that we could do with
that um Act of just kind of taking 10%

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off that left us with 4100 we could use
um we ended up having a much smaller

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safe premium this year just kind of
unexpectedly because of I don't remember

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exactly the reason they gave me but I
just got the the last invoice and they

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only oh like $350 more dollars and that
means we have 2400 left over that we can

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use for water so we're going to use it
for

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water um I wanted to suggest that my
hours get cut to 20 per week from 30

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between February and March because
during the legislative session I will be

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working in Salem um last year or this
year I worked 20 hours a week that was

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one day I spent the capital 30 hours at
sodaville and the other 10 hours I made

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up working
evenings um so the idea would be that

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we'd cut it down to 20 I'd be here three
days a week and spend two days a week in

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the capital from uh mid from March sorry
from February to mid-march um

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thereabouts um I had also so during this
budget cycle we had also added in

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funding for a 5% wage increase uh for me
and JD each uh that would have been

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predicated on a satisfactory performance
review I would wave a a 5% increase

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during this fiscal year and not ask it
go into effect until July if also were

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to approve it payroll Cuts leave us with
1,700 that was an additional

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1,700 um so Al together with um cuts and
things oh uh so we spent money upfront

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for our part of our well project when we
got the the water estimate done earlier

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this year because we paid that UPF front
the state's going to send us money back

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for that that's
$5,400 um we also have 6,300 in

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contingency funds so when you add all
that up it gets us to uh

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$220,000 now next uh we budgeted 10,000
more uh for uh Road repairs uh than the

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final Aro
amount um so that would have

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uh I think right now it's at like see
it's

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it's at 47 or it's at 57 we pull 10 out
of that road repair budget we're still

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using all of the arpa funds just for
Street repairs um and then we add that

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so that leaves us with $30,000 so the
final 10 has to come from somewhere now

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our budget surplus is going to be bigger
than um

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anticipated so we can do one of two
things and that is either pull the final

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10,000 out of our budget surus or pit or
Institute a water increase water rate in

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increase for of the restrip
SE so those MERS that I up with anybody

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have any questions so
far no questions but I know where I

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stand

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on it's up to you ultimately what I I
want guidance from in the council is

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what to put in budget that would be
presented at the next meeting and that

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is something that will be open there
will be a public hearing on the budget

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and people can come and voice their
concerns again ultimately I want to know

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tonight uh how do we make up the do we
want to pull from the Surplus or do we

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want to
increase um the the water rate for

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usage
Surplus how to make it back

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but

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me from a financial perspective it makes
no sense to sell

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water a
business

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toble to put it up my brain not working
to um it doesn't make sense to say well

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this is only going to cost you $5 but it
cost me 15

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you know as a a make money no that's and
I think that you know are we in this one

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instance it looks like there's been a
lot of um massaging and working with the

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numbers and cutting back shoot he is
cold in here to try and make these

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numbers but now and ongoing does it make
sense for us to continue to sell water

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when we're having to pay so much for and
we're very blessed that we're not doing

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a $300 a run like we were before um and
that we have we've done so much we have

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the water meters that tell us when
there's a week I mean I think we're

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trying to do everything but you know
we're close to the market this time but

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I think ongoing we need to reevaluate it
does not make fiduciary Financial sense

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to continue to sell a product at a lot
less than what we PA for and so I agree

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with you on that my push back is is that
we've gone all summer and here we are in

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the fourth quarter and we're going to
slam our citizens with a huge bills for

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one month right and my thought is I do
think we need a rate increase but I

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think we need a rate increase on our on
the city's water so that we're making

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the
money before we go into restrictions so

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that we have that money in reserve to
make these because I I don't know if you

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ATS
but you know I mean our bill would

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jumped over
$300 um and so like I get it but for one

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month to get hit with that 9 cents I'd
be okay like doing a

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five like a three five moving on up it's
not quite the

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n i mean to
immediately that's where I'm at like for

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this fourth quarter it's almost like
because of I'm useally of our

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mismanagement I don't think our citizens
should be held accountable here at the

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last minute this is something we should
have been addressing

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especially the PO water users I when the
Restriction started and I think of the

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penalty and that's that's my opinion I
agree with you good business is not

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selling stuff for cheaper than you
bought of course but you also don't do

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that at the last minute to people so
that's kind of where I stand I'm will to

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negotiate do where we're at to come up
with that but I just think he need to

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for next season you need to make some
some differ

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what I didn't

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realize and then we manipulate the

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te you look at our overall water rate 31
most expensive you know in the state you

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know cuz I have looked at it and you
know

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most bring you know and you
know yeah so you know if you look at

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just bone water were you top of the top
of the lift right so yeah I what really

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bothers me is that you know we've been
trying to tackle this water issue for a

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number of years before a lot of other
communities were having the same

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issue um we've had opportunities to try
to take care of it I mean even since

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Alex has been here we've been trying to
get this thing resolved and we're not

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much further along than where we've been
right so that's my biggest issue is that

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you know this is something that we
should have

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done a little sooner than where we're at
right now and to dena's point and your

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point too that 9
cents um I don't think it's going for

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the last month right as you said um I
think this is considering going forward

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this this last December is not really
going to make that much of a difference

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for us so you know I mean I don't think
that was the intent right so the figure

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of uh that we used came up with $7,500
per month while this is in place we

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could get an additional $7,500 per month
uh in uh water Revenue if we moved up to

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9,000 to9 cents per gallon and then the
idea would be after two months of that

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um we would be uh at
15,000 um in addition to we already

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budgeted for 2023 and first part of 2024
that's correct so we'd look at it this

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month and probably in January um because
it's very possible that you know the

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wells as well as I read this correctly
that there's only uh one person that's

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going over that right now so right yeah
so that uh data did not end up being

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Fleet so I I put together those numbers
four days four days before um the end of

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the month so that Monday the Meers were
read and then that Thursday the Meers

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were read and in that that last four
days a number of people did end up going

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over 7500 in that that that short window
of

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they were close I like H they're
probably okay but then in those last

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three days they just just Bunch so um I
think it ended up being more like

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10 but the N for is anybody over 5,000
right yeah and this is basically in

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response to the community saying don't
shut off our water and it's like as long

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as we have access to water you know if
we get closer to what we're actually

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having to pay for it that makes sense
and fairness to me this affect 20% of

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City

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users and I you know
I about my own budget that I've had in

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my businesses at home I hate to take
reserves because what if I mean that

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that kind of you know what reserves do
we have if the tree falls on the council

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thingy here and we need to fix it I I
think it's important to have Reserve

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funds we don't know what's going to
happen so to use those for the water

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makes me worried
yeah um by the end of November we had

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spent more on water hauling than in
total we received in water Revenue so

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all the money that's supposed to come in
to pay for everything else in the water

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programming all of it has gone to water
hauling and we've had to M from

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elsewhere to pay for stuff it is it is a
true imbalance because there's we've

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simply just spent more money on water
hauling and we brought in to pay for

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what wanted to get here and as a result
a lot of other things are going to have

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to be cut because that top 2 TI of users
just is not reducing their water usage

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by as
much we're luy that we can bring water

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in because I forget which which cities
it starts with an

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H that I mean they're capped and that's
it right I don't know which

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one I think that we have that and you
know some of us are really crazy when it

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comes to to trying to watch water not
not everybody is

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yes yeah I know next year we can be
smarter about this um 22 to 23 ended up

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being a very very nice fiscal year for
us because we budgeted 60 and we only

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spent 35 so we figured okay with increas
in conservation we got these no water

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meters that are doing better 60 doesn't
seem like a bad number to keep up with

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next year we're going to write a war
budget that budget is going to be

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prepared to take on something this big
um what we're going to have to do is

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negotiate over year with a water H and
figure out how much she wants to have

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received for her services and then we
the budget accordingly we increase the

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amount of Revenue we can expect uh and
we increase the amount of money as a

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result of the new rate that comes in um
there are other things we'll do to make

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sure um things get done a little better
but nothing we can do about Mother

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Nature no not really um we did have a
meeting with our state representative

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Jamie Kate um last week and we let her
know about the problem we're having

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right now and we asked if she would be
willing to work with us to get $60,000

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for us to use next year for water
hauling since we're uh hopefully on

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track to get the the new will uh
completed by the summer of 2025

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basically if everything goes right we
have just one more year of this and then

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we don't have to worry about it
again so where do they phon from the

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federal government and are they pretty
much I mean how do they have to be used

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what's structure it oh there's a a
massive list of projects you can use

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that for um we use part of it to pay for
a new PLC and the rest of it we're going

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to use for RO repairs
maintenance there's like a hundred

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different things you can use it for not
water um they want infrastructure is

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kind of the the thrust of
it um I I could look on the list to see

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if they would allow us to use it for um
water huling during the fiscal year but

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during the budget cycle this year we you
we decided to have the rest of the ARA

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funds be used for stre repair so I

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I
yeah yeah it's a very long list one of

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them is cash assistance like you can
literally just give it out everybody in

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get of the 45 left

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see yeah everybody
get there we go every city resident

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would get
$127

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12 we can fix thead
yeah so making sure that we do dedicate

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money to roads is pretty important it's
next to

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water yeah so there are a lot of other
structural changes I would be recommend

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that we make to the budget next year um
we've been kind of working off one

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that's has been used for several years
that wasn't using the best data and

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didn't really reflect I think um the
best possible use of the funds we were

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getting so next year you can expect the
budget that I I produced to be a lot

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different than we have now um to make
sure there is much more dedicated

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funding for roads and uh water funds are
a lot more closely tied to the actual

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water Revenue because our old general
fund revenue is kind of backfilling

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everything else we do and especially
right now our reserves have really been

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paying for everything because uh we have
been spending more money in the water

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than we have been bringing for

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everybody in there's a lot of people
that for a long time have really been

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concerned and so I hate to see these
people take another hit you know some of

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the people that are used in 10,000 gall
water they're the ones that are putting

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us
in they're the ones that are cusing so

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much
water you you know I think back when we

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did the
last we been on top things we looked

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at

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a percent like but we
didn't so we're

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just and

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so I mean I agree with you
Jeff I just don't know

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um by the ones that never slowed down
using water I'm sure we all agree

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because know my did struggle to try to
make it count where we could you

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knower and I get two and a half gallons
as I'm trying to get water water in my

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shower and then I go and I water my
critters or I put it in my rain I take

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my my

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water TR and water I know not everybody
does we had some

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com

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a little

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B It's

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amazing And also it doesn't change much
but the n

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on that last

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mon yeah each month Ray
hold another

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day like
in AUST

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3 10 days in AUST 11 in November orry
not September 11 in November

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12 one day exra East so like that 9
cents is over the last month so like we

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can't it's like a generic number if this
month that water goes

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up we're not
paying when I went to the city pretty

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much base is I didn't
get know we got

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125 paying
$548 for

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7448 gallons so that's pretty much we're
paying uh

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$20 roughly to fill ra truck up per run
and he's charging

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two it's going to be 3 148
148 like 320 something so we're at

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$350 per run you know so every every two
hours 350 bucks like if we to

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recalculate this at a true one truck
load what are we paying it's hard to

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calculate the base rate because that
base rate gets divided up by how many

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truck loads you run but uh I think more
accurate number I think we should do if

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we're going to raise it on people is
what's a bank rate on one truck load

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because the truck loads are going to
fluctuate per

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month at the same time I want money but
it's kind of like at the end of the game

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not to reiterate what I said earlier
like now we're an emergency and like all

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citizens to out you know

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and yeah for sure I don't know how we
how we approach that that's why I P from

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Surplus and or even streets I mean we
can pull

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another streets I don't think there's
another CH Street

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I was I was curious that you earlier you
said talked about Surplus and you had an

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idea for where else to get it I'm just
thinking somehow of how we can

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maximize move forward to make the money
on own water you know right now we're

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at8 and JD recommends 89 for the second
tier has jum that 50

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bucks we something in the
middle I think

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ients gallon from 2500 to

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5,000 but it

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gets I I guess I don't understand I mean
I when you're when you're talking

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about that's the actual product itself
yeah

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they they sell it by a unit so 748
gallons per unit so that's

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$548 Tru rough 4500
4000 400

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whatever 400 or times right so five
times that that's $30 per truck but

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calculating r on top of that yeah which
you know anything it would be nice to

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pay the wholesale just the product rate
for anything look at all the taxes and

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all the stuff I mean I think the
following first of all we're a heck of a

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lot better than we have been as far as
rates because drought or whatever was

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hea and we're not having to pay
insurance or the vehicle or the P I mean

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I don't think it's exactly good to
compare the actual cost of the liquid

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water versus what it
cost our water bill this month and

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totally just the actual water is
2000

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r with us what if R doesn't next year
and we make this adjustment for the 9

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cents now going into next season and
then that rates even higher and we find

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ourselves in in a predicament
of know czy happens you

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know go up prices go we just
adjusted for that and then we're going

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into adjust again
um

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that's don't that makes sense and that's
why our the budget that we write for

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this next fiscal year is going to be
done uh with planning for basically this

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to happen again it's not going to be hey
let's hope that you know 60,000 or

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whatever let's hope that you know we get
the money uh unless I see the money in

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hand before the budget is written we're
not going to plan on getting any support

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and we are going to plan on this
happening again and we are going to make

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sure that we have enough water Revenue
coming in to pay for the water hauling

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without digging into our reserves and
that's going to involve necessarily

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earlier negotiations with Ray uh making
sure we know what his number is going to

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be and being prepared to charge that in
the fall letting people know very early

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it's going to be a lot more expensive
this last year we have to do this um you

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need to plan for it now or you need to
plan for just using L water because uh

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the money is not going to be there and
we can't keep keeping into reserves year

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after year because that's how you lose
all your reserves well that's not what

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I'm
suggest temporary thing to get back on

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so that we can adjust I just don't want
to make a hasty reaction 9 like I'm not

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okay with this but you were saying that
9 cents you don't feel comfortable with

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but if we do 9 cents it might be more
next year well what I'm saying jump stra

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increase
on so right

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now

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is so that would jump to 3 be 31 5000

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to5

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more

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12,000
gallons what is more money people it's

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not you as hard but you're making more

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money
between but they're the most population

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of the city yeah I mean
80% water why are they getting the

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discount and then the
people that some have a larger family

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you like in it I guess what I'm saying
is we're in it together you know instead

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of just hitting those next years like we
all got to bite the bullet needed we're

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not changing the base rate at 47 just
those next one

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what
Char

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the

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people

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there to help out City so I don't want
my to jump when I've put that

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I L restrictions over I think that they
need to be at a higher rate

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that we using you know 10,000 plus
gallons during our

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restriction
Ian yeah I think even when we were

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watering our Gard in the summer time we
never went over 10 but probably help but

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I mean that's six raised beds by 15t
long and to not use over 10 um I was

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surprised though we're right a seven
we have a

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household so like I don't know we're
like right there at thege I guess get

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water shut off every
month I at my bill

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every advant or good idea to figure from
The Geto are we charging enough water

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for water I we've
been up that whatever we did 45 to

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47 is that a reasonable Fair number if
we didn't have a disaster and everything

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went well and people is that fair and I
don't know that we can we can compare

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ourselves with every other City because
we're very we have no income otherwise

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we don't have a lot of business it's
funny Hy was telling me Oh we're just

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like sods I'm driving doy and all these

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like
school well the school's actually

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significantly cut down their water usage
and they're looking at alternative water

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sources for their campus getting a
sister and that kind of thing so as as

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I've talked with them they're they're
already making some very drastic changes

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they're they're cut since we let them
know last month like this is getting

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really bad they cut almost 50% of us so

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should

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on the thing
still s with me

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is understand that we're trying to
keep

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keep we have any
Realty go

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Downy

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of the
one resident that you made deal with

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yeah um did he pay truck price yeah
p00 gallon he cut his bill like almost

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in half after that first month sticker
sh

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like

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so know it's not me to it's me to be
real and it motivat you to St and you

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know restrict yourself that's better
same with you know gas going to have a

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gas are you going to have something that
doesn't that's your choice if you want

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to pay for again as long as we have
access to

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water wants to pay for it I think that's
much Kinder and better than stop you can

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AFF

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it you
know one the citiz helping us out you

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know with this thing but I
mean is that

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something
Grand I wouldn't think so I don't

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know truck that's

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cost I for 12 years truck

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[Music]
iost

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well we we this is this these are like
the com he might not have time SCH now

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but if he becomes a driver we have extra
day to a sh which means have to pay more

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but in the long

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run he runs three days a week other

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days we' supped we've been hauling water
for 20

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years we've been spending 60 plus Grand
a year on water for 20 years add that up

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you can't tell me that not owning the
city own own truck want to pay for

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already or you buy the TRU and

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you

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un
lot a lot

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more that

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happen2 we spent
$85,000

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water and and you know I'm a real know
that I'm really really praying hoping

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twisting everything that reaches that we
actually get everything taken care of in

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2025 and Okie

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doie you know I'm hoping that we just
have another year of waterf that would

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be

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[Music]

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awesome yes well we we had to spend a
lot of time fixing stuff from the

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past

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well you're going to see the work plan
presented by business Oregon at the next

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city council meeting our business Oregon
and our leg Council have provided us

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information about the best way to move
forward and how they expect it to be

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done you know the the very first thing
we need to do is get a surveyor on

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retainer and get him in room ra but two
of them can talk about just how much of

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you know his property is going to be
used they can write a legal scrip

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subcription for an easement Bear's a
purchase option and then um then we can

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actually go okay um and then you know we
did a good chunk of the money that we've

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secured this year that about million
dollar amount is um for project

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management and Engineering so we'll have
a professional in the room who knows how

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to get this done done
before um

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so you we're on track
to uh get a lot of this done we just

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need to make sure that we're sticking
with the plan and that plan is something

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that business Argan and our Council both
laid out in the last month and we will

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lay that out publicly in December so we
know here's what is expected of us here

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is how much money there is um here's the
pieces that fit together I mean I I

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totally feel and understand the
frustration from the community this is

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the whole reason I'm on city council is
when I moved here seven years ago and

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they said you're going to get tiet

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come to find out restrictions I had no
idea when I purchased my property

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c 25 years what I mean I didn't find out
about this until work you bought you

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guys

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yeah so um aside from 30,000 in cuts and
other things how do we want to make up

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the last 10 that's ultimately what I
need to hear from everybody today do we

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want to
um do we want to pull from Surplus do we

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want to move it up to 9 cents per gallon
uh for everything above 5,000 do we want

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to use a different number in structure
Al together as has been presented and

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proposed

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okay well

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yeah
okay

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so with all of the cuts and everything
that leaves us with an end of the year

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cash balance of
64,000

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so
um and that is with

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um with a 10,000 just pulling it from
the Surplus so if we don't pull from the

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Surplus it'll be 74,000 if we do BU from
the Surplus it'll be

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64,000 the thing that worries me too is
our infastructure old yes you know all

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we need is a couple really big water M
breaks or you know something like

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that or hopefully

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we

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system

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and I brought this up earlier a little
bit

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to want to check before we do anything
on cutting your time um my my frame

436
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:54,799
reference is always only another state
so I have no idea but the state if you

437
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:58,760
cut somebody's time you have to cut
their

438
00:48:56,160 --> 00:49:05,280
um and stuff so I just don't want us to
step onto that anything so yeah make

439
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:09,119
sure before I mean it's a great offer of
yours I mean it benefits you and it

440
00:49:06,720 --> 00:49:15,920
benefits the but I would make sure that
we're on track for that yeah that makes

441
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:21,240
sense okay yeah I can check with our
accountant to see if she knows of

442
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:21,240
anything that would affect payroll and

443
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:30,799
benefit see what what might be a problem

444
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,160
not

445
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:49,520
yeah well I really I I don't like the
idea of of going into the budget so but

446
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:54,440
I
think oh sorry till the end of the year

447
00:49:51,839 --> 00:50:00,200
cash balance uh if we make all these
cuts that I recommended would

448
00:49:56,559 --> 00:50:04,040
6,200 and that includes using 10,000 for
water so not 64

449
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:25,520
6,200 um you know there's we will be
exercising fiscal restraints to to

450
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:32,839
through the end of the year um you know
for our 23 through

451
00:50:28,119 --> 00:50:39,359
um remember the for 22 through 23 are
projected ending fund balance was $

452
00:50:35,599 --> 00:50:46,079
66,6 our actual balance was
206,000 um which is why we're able to

453
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:50,680
rework our budget like this so I I think
a a much higher number than 60 is

454
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:55,760
realistic as long as we exercise fiscal
restraint and if there is a revenue

455
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:58,040
increase throughout the year I think
that is

456
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:07,520
doing again I I don't like the idea of
taking out of our Surplus for La of a

457
00:51:04,319 --> 00:51:12,280
better word but I could see for this
time only since it's the end of the year

458
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:18,200
I want to be conent and Fa and
transparent but it's only month or so to

459
00:51:16,559 --> 00:51:24,359
maybe have a less than but I think
ongoing we need ham down on these rates

460
00:51:21,319 --> 00:51:29,920
especially for high users
yeah

461
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:35,240
yeah I mean dur even when um last fiscal
year um water the end of water hauling

462
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:39,599
and the end of water restrictions
weren't the same period I think we water

463
00:51:38,359 --> 00:51:43,799
restriction for like a month or two
after we stopped hauling just water

464
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:47,960
wasn't producing we just weren't in the
the range where we needed to bring the

465
00:51:46,359 --> 00:51:53,119
bu
so if we're if we're keeping it open for

466
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:56,680
another couple months and it's at 9
cents you know that helps recoup the the

467
00:51:55,520 --> 00:52:02,359
costs
from uh the water hauling that resulted

468
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:02,359
from these high

469
00:52:09,839 --> 00:52:19,720
users 7500 is the killer I think the
that spot because um it has been a

470
00:52:17,319 --> 00:52:24,880
little more difficult to enforce than
anticipating um you know given again

471
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:31,400
like this last month last week a bunch
of people are below and buch um

472
00:52:34,319 --> 00:52:43,480
and
um yeah that that 7500 plus is

473
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:47,839
still one that's you know working a lot
of money for

474
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:54,200
us so in the inter term in the short
term period um we had basically put it

475
00:52:51,359 --> 00:52:58,160
out there that you know 7500 was a cap
you to you know do

476
00:52:55,920 --> 00:53:06,280
um permit and see you know if there was
a right to but see there

477
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:11,119
was um you know but then we talk about
5,000 on this which is double what the

478
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:17,280
base Rak pays for that's you know but
the average family I'm thinking out loud

479
00:53:13,319 --> 00:53:25,440
probably uses closer to maybe 4,000
5,000 I think definitely the 7500

480
00:53:21,720 --> 00:53:33,640
maybe stuff out there maybe do it the 7
500 and um 9 and then we sit and we

481
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:33,640
reate

482
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:58,680
the
there are alternatives you know if

483
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:03,960
somebody's really worried about you know
taking showers you can get a gym

484
00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:03,960
membership for $25 a month go take a

485
00:54:24,079 --> 00:54:27,079
shower

486
00:54:28,839 --> 00:54:31,680
be

487
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:42,630
R I think you know because some people
work and they get here to do their

488
00:54:40,359 --> 00:54:47,000
permit
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489
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andate

490
00:54:47,720 --> 00:54:55,559
over5 everybody who went over 7500 this
last month was mailed a permit so they

491
00:54:52,960 --> 00:55:01,920
can fill it out and give it to us but
that permit does what 60 bucks well

492
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:07,880
yeah what the cost of water is that that
perm came in just so you could wash your

493
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:07,880
car

494
00:55:09,359 --> 00:55:17,480
durri I think that needs to go away and
I think it's 7500 for the people who

495
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:22,839
want I mean you pay to play if you want
to use that much water awesome you're

496
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:27,000
just

497
01:23:25,639 --> 01:23:27,880
we

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go