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What

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evening everybody? This is the regular council meeting of the Solana Beach City Council.

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But the records show that council members on is absent. All other members are present.

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We were in close session, city attorney. Is there anything to report?

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No, our portable action mayor. Thank you. Please join me in the flag salute by standing and placing your hand over your heart.

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Ready begin.

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Congratulations to the flag.

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I will not say it's not there.

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I'm holding a note of which is saying,

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why nation, aoukendai, and invisible,

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who've ever given justice for us is

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different.

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City manager, there are any changes to the agenda.

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There are no changes.

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Okay, I mean, I have a motion to approve the agenda

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as dated Mr. Zito.

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And we have a second.

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Miss Marshall, thank you very much,

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please press the second button.

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And let's vote.

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The agenda is approved for zero with one absent.

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Okay, we have no proclamations, but I hear we have a presentation by Dr.

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Sunny Cook, if she's here, is Dr. Cook here?

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She's just trying to find her.

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Okay, all right, so let's see, we'll go on to oral communications and do we have any oral

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communications speakers?

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Yeah.

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Okay, oral communications is the period of time where speakers can address the

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Council on topics that are not on the agenda. We cannot do much about it. We can only talk

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to the City Manager now to put it on a future agenda at this that time. You have three

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minutes and three minutes only to speak. Watch the lights, green means go, yellow means you

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have one minute, and red means please conclude. First speaker. First speaker, Storgen Johnson.

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Thank you, City Council, for this opportunity to speak. I promise you updates on the Santa

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No free issue, and I'm only bringing this to your attention in a public forum.

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Basically,

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the decommissioning plan has a weak component to it, a very dangerous component

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to it that a number of nuclear experts and citizen groups are challenging, has to do with

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the spent fuel storage.

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There's going to be 1,630 metric tons of most dangerous material on the planet, a stored

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100 feet from the bluff edge in 51 toned canisters in what's called the UMAX storage system.

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This system is got a thin wall to it.

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It's only proven to be about 20 to 30 years safe.

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The NRG's planion storing this fuel in our region indefinitely up to 300 years.

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The manufacturer of this cask says that hairline cracks in this casher they occur, could release

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millions of curries of radiation into the environment through a convection cooling.

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open-air system that these casks are designed to self-cool.

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What we're asking for the City Council to do is to put this issue on the agenda so we

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can discuss it, bring in some experts as we've done before.

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There are a number of other cities who have signed resolutions asking only that the public

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canisters. And we're asking for a real valuation of the safety of these things. We're going

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to be living with this fuel for about 300 years. The reason why it's relevant to everybody in

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this room, anybody who wants property or bases or life out of this region, spend fuel, poor fires,

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spent fuel cast fires are extremely dangerous in cause.

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I'd like to put on the agenda if you would. And thank you for all the work that you've done on this so far.

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Thank you. Council.

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I actually would be interested in putting this on the agenda. Anybody else?

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Okay, thank you. Next speaker, please. Steve Astro?

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Madam Mayor, members of the council.

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As a member of the Salana Beats, see leaders club.

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We promote the gardening and beautification at various Salana Beats sites.

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And we have been exploring another community garden in Salana Beats for several years.

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Our obvious dilemma has always been the question of where and how do we ever afford the land

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costs if it's not on public property.

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A new number of our club has approached us and actually we were looking to see whether or not

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she was wearing angel wings because it does not happen very often.

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She is not a archangel, but she just said that her family were long, long time residents

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of Selanabic since the 50s and they desire to enhance the quality of life for all people,

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including those people who don't own a backyard and are able to plant.

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Elizabeth Kramer and her family, they've owned the vacant light on Rosa for since the 1950s,

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and desiring the community spirit, over personal profit, the dream is to create a community

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garden where approximately 15 to 20 families without a backyard can grow their own vegetables,

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had a nominal cost, and I'm requesting and the seaweed is requesting that the council do everything

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it's power to help realize this vision.

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We, as some members of the council are aware,

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community guns is not really addressed in our general plan and I know that we are about

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ready to address that. The cramers have approached their neighbors and neighbors and there is no

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So I'm just guessing that this situation really has never

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risen in Salana Beach before, because the altruism of somebody offering

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their land, and I know it's in residential zone, it's never come before us.

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I would just request that the council do everything within their power at minimal costs

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and fees to assist the cramers in their vision about realizing this community garden.

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Thank you.

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Thank you very much, Mr. Officer, we have a seat.

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We did meet with Ms. Cramer, we're aware of her desires and her request, and we expect

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to see her at the Work Plan meeting next Wednesday night where in the Council will be given

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direction to the City Manager of what to work on.

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We've already given some general direction about agriculture in Sloane Beach to give a look

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at that.

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Do we have any other speakers?

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Katie Palisec.

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Hello, I know Bill Mayer and Council members.

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I'm Katie Palisec, I've been a resident of Sloane Beach for 21 years.

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I am thrilled with all the improvements that the city has made recently including the

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Fletcher Cove Park and Community Center, the Coastal Rail Trail, the 101-Corder

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Improvements. Recently my husband and I went to Fletcher Cove Community Park to watch the

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sunset and I'm here tonight to just tell you what I saw that evening and give you some

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feedback.

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The community center was rented by a private group and they were having a wedding

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and everybody was well behaved and well dressed and it looked like an awesome event until I

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got around back and saw that the guests were prohibited from approaching the permanent fence

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along the bluff to watch the sunset. There was a temporary barricade set up around the patio and the

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and the wedding guests appear to be sitting behind these bars, and I just felt so sorry for their wedding photographer who no matter which way he went with his camera, he had these iron bars.

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To contend with. And it just for me, it just made me sad that that was the result of, you know, the vote that we, that we all made to say that it was okay for wedding parties to have champagne and stuff, but yet they were going to have ugly wedding photos. So I am asking the city council to make it a priority at a future meeting to remedy this barricade policy and come up with a more beautiful and welcoming solutions so that we,

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It can be proud of this beautiful facility that we have and the sunset views and allow the guests at the wedding to approach the and get the best views that are possible rather than be stuck behind these barricades.

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So, that's all I have. Any questions for me?

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Now you may have a thank you.

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It is a public area and so the public has to have access to that and that's part of what it was.

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Mr. Zito?

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I have just a bit of clarification, I would assume that members of the party that are as long

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as they weren't carrying alcohol could go enjoy the public spaces and meaning that they could

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go out.

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The on the bars and take photos if they wanted to.

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They just can't go.

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The bars are there because of the alcohol.

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Yeah, you can't bring your alcohol.

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They can't bring their drinks, but if they wanted to, they should be able to go outside

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and take whatever photos they want because it is public space.

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Any other speakers?

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Yes.

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Last speaker.

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I ran at Grandbrook,

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good evening, I'm being a Grandbrook and I lived in Solana Beach for 38 years on Delcourt, and I'm here as another member of the sea readers.

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We're interested in increasing the beauty and of the city.

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And this is the last minute response to a newspaper article that appeared in the Union Tribune about what Delmar did with their voluntary fine.

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We're thinking of currently cutting the one down because it presents and it's ugly and it's dangerous

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But here's another thought if I could get some five

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This will show that what was in the union tribune?

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Okay, thank you. So the union tribune is showing a local sculptor who's making a sculpture out of out of their dentory and

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Someone in the club saw it today. It's a great idea and this sculptor is as offered to do the same treatment to ours without a cost and the best thing is

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We wouldn't have to spend money on it and if we didn't like it

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I'm sure we could arrange to deal with it

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Okay, so here's our tree and apparently

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needs to be taken down.

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Here it is again. There's a lot of tree there for carving. So

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we would ask that you that maybe cut off what you need to cut off. Save as much as you can.

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Let the sculptor come and give him six months to make something out of it. We can always cut it down.

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If we make that arrangement with the artist, but his name is Tim Richards, and he carved

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a red-tailed hawk in Delmar, that was killed by the same marked deals as ours.

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So you can't make a decision now, but it's good idea to think about it, and I have a great

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idea for what to do with that money that we saved.

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Think more public gardens in odd unusual places like, I'll tell you next month.

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You have a minute, Irene. Does anyone have any questions?

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You have a minute left if you want to tell us.

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But we have a minute. Tell you? Yeah.

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I'm thinking of the way North Reels juts into Sanalihol.

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It's so unsafe.

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People I was there when a group was going down on Saturday.

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There was slip sliding along that very steep.

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What is that decomposed granite trail holding onto the railing?

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I called someone over at Sanalihol.

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Okay, that's all you can tell us.

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we will. Thanks, you're in it. We'll hear from the board. Okay, thanks very much.

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I'll see you later. Okay. That's all of our, okay, is Dr. Sunny Cook here. Wonderful. There you are. Please,

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the podium.

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It's okay. You had no idea that we would have a full house and not I did not.

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All right. I'm glad to see you all.

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Thank you for this time. I was trying to bring the three trustees up with me that are also here. So I have the chair, Vice Chair of our Board, Dave Broad. I have also George McNeill and then Trustee Rick Kassar, who represents a lot of each of these areas. I thought I'd bring a mirror cost to college.

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It is a mirror because the college, and I've had the privilege of serving as a president since January of this year, and wanted to come and talk to you a little bit about two exciting things that are happening in our college really to meet community needs.

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And one of them is that we have been selected in a very competitive process to be one of 12

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community colleges in the state that have been chosen to offer a be offer a baccalaureate degree.

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So for your degree at our campus notion side that will be in a high demand workforce area and that is in bio manufacturing.

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So our intent is to have baccalaureate degrees that are that meet in incredible workforce demand where people can come to a program

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get a four-year degree in less than $11,000 for the total degree and you know if you're

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following college tuition and all that is a remarkable prize. It's like they cost them one year

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at a university. So our intent is to have folks complete that degree here and be employed in great

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well-paying jobs within the Biome Manufacturing Bioprocessing Industry right here in North County.

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So I wanted to make sure that you knew that that pilot begins. We get our final approval on Monday

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And then we would start to develop the curriculum with our industry partners and have that program the junior and senior levels available in 2017.

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We have about 200 people already in the first two years of that program.

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So they could certainly go on to the junior with us.

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Or we would also accept folks from other programs in other areas as well.

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So that's one of the two exciting things.

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The other one is a new technology career institute that we're opening in Crossbad next week.

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So we'll be moving in there, and that's to provide advanced manufacturing training, again, to meet a high demand community need in the high end machining, merit-time technologies, cybersecurity, homeland security, engineering technology, kinds of arenas, with incredible robotics equipment that our students will train on, and it's a facility that was made possible, a very large department of labor grant that the college was able to achieve.

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and also a contribution of facility space that is available to us in the City of Carlsbad.

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So wanted to make sure that you knew those two exciting things were happening.

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There certainly things that I think you would be interested in and maybe your residence as well.

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And finally, I think you'd be interested in the San Diego Eto School District and Miraculous Ecology

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have been in conversation for about, I would say a couple of years now, about really making sure that we partner effectively

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so that we can meet all of the needs of the adult education population very well in this area.

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It allows us an opportunity to offer equitable access to our services for those that need language skills or GED preparation,

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as well as lots of the fee-based offerings that are many of our seniors' partake of.

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So I want to make sure that you knew we were working in partnership with your school district to do that.

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So that is what I'm here for very nice to view if you all into CU and thank you for your time.

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Appreciate it. Thank you very much, Dr. Koch.

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Thank you.

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Show you what our community thinks we really appreciate the resource

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that miracles to colleges to all of us, very much.

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Thank you for being here to the trustees as well.

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Okay, so now we are on to council announcements.

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I have one mayor announcement.

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And that is a good thing.

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This is at the city received the community improvement project award

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from the American Society of Civil Engineers.

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The award was given for the Highway 101 Improvement Project and is one of only five

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Project awards given in San Diego County and Mo has the wonderful plaque. Yay. Very nice.

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Thank you. Good for us and I think we deserve it, right? Okay, I have no other.

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That's like the last time you guys can clap, you know. I'm just going to get us to the agenda.

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No clapping, you're booing, I'll be telling you.

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Any other council members have announcements.

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No. Council commentary? No. Okay, we're a silent group tonight. We're now on to consent calendar.

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The consent calendar is to be acted in a single action. The council,

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unless something is pulled for discussion, has any member of the public pulled anything in

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from the consent calendar? And any council members? No.

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So I have a motion on the board. Looks like for Mr. Nichols.

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He has a motion to approve consent.

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Thank you. Mr. Zito. Second. Please vote.

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That passes with one option for zero.

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Now we're on to public hearing.

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So I open the first public hearing and turn it over to the city manager.

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This is on the annual Housing Element Progress Report.

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Yes.

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Thank you, Mayor.

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Thank you, City Council.

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This is approved.

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It's set approved on 2015.

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You know, housing element. Progress report, Gaborunk Code requires that each city and county planning agency prepare an annual report on the status of the housing element.

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Can we put on the progress of the implementation of the policies in the element using the forums and definitions adopted by the State Department of Housing.

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The annual report is due April 1, so every year SB 375 has adopted and codified.

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requires that the annual report be considered at an annual public hearing before the City Council,

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the purpose of the report is to provide the report and for your consideration and request the council

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approval of the report after conducting this public hearing.

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But that Russell Brown is going to do his first presentation for you.

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Good evening Honorable Mayor, City Council members, City staff.

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Before you tonight is the 2015 Annual Housing Element Progress Report,

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so as a City Manager outstated, the State requires the City to submit

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the Annual Housing Element Progress Report to the Department of Housing

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and Community Development by April 1st after Council consideration and a public meeting.

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The current housing element was adopted on February 13, 2013, and certified by

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In 15 annual report provides a total number of and type of housing units that were issued building permits

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towards the region's regional housing needs assessment reporting period of January 1, 2010

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to December 31, 2020 in the city of Solana Beach.

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This report adds the annual update for the time period of January 1, 2014 to December 31, 2014.

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So, as mentioned previously, this green reporting period is from January 1, 2010, to December 31, 2020.

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During that time period, there have been 16 above moderate units, and one low unit.

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During this reporting period, there have been building permits issued for nine above moderate units.

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There have been four demolished units for a total increase of five drawing units for the city's housing stock.

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Table C and attachment one provides an itemized status report of the housing element implementation for 19 programs which were adopted with the city's housing element.

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The programs encourage the construction of new affordable housing, the preservation of existing affordable housing, and new housing and all income categories as identified in the housing element.

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So during 2014, there were five new housing projects received City Council approval, including

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three single family residences, mixed use project with ten very low income units on

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South Sierra Avenue, and two single family units in one duplex on Valley Avenue.

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Several active development applications proposing new housing units are in process, including

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without limited to two mixed use projects on Valley Avenue, including one with two apartment

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units, and a second with three single family units, both have received

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City Council approval.

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Four single family units on various street, also receiving City Council approval, and these

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received City Council approval in the year 2015, so that's why it's not being counted

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towards the 2014 numbers.

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In addition, there was a mixed use project with 31 units on South Sierra and Highway 101,

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just currently under staff reveal.

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In addition to that, there's two single family units.

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One located at 242 South Narrow, which is under staff reveal, in 684 via the LIA, which

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City Council has approved in the year 2015.

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As many of you are aware tonight,

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the Sloan Highlands Apartments has submitted an application

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to the City to demolish 194 existing apartment units

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in three single-family dwelling units,

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and it's placed 260 units of which 32 units

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are affordable are being proposed.

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In addition to that, two applications for tentative maps

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have been submitted in our under-review by city staff.

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The first application is for a vesting tentative map.

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consisting of five existing parcels located at a 500-block of South Nardo in which the applicant is proposing a reconfiguration to allow

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For 14 proposed parcels of which two would be affordable one would be an assessor living unit in the second would be an

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additional

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Affordable unit

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The second application is an existing parcel on Nardo

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I'm sorry on avocado place where the applicant is proposing seven parcels both the

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Both the applicants are not proposing dwelling units at this time

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So the Department of Recommendation is to conduct the public hearing, open the public hearing.

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We'll see if public testimony, close the public hearing, and secondly, adopt resolution 2015-025, and that concludes my presentation.

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I'm here if you have further questions.

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Well done, Russ. Thank you.

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Thank you very much.

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Now, many questions. I see no questions. Do we have any speakers on this item? No speakers on this item. Okay.

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So, what we would do now is close the public hearing, Mr. Zito?

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May I have a second please? Miss Marshall? Don't forget to push this vote via speak button.

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Okay.

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That passes for zero. The public hearing is closed. It's now the time for council discussion if there is any? Council.

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Mr. Zito?

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I'm not seeing much discussion, I'll make a motion to adopt resolution 2015-25 and find

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the project is on from SQL and improve the 2015 housing and progress report as stipulated

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in the staff report.

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Thank you, Mr. Nichols.

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Second, the motion and just a quick question of staff, city manager.

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I think it's 19 projects we have identified at what time or what's the appropriate time

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we go through and do that. Is that every five years or four years?

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As far as I think, take a look at those.

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Yeah, to evaluate whether or not they're still applicable if there's one that we should add.

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Yeah, it's usually out of five year.

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And then as we identified this one in year four or five, we'll be dealing with RFP.

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As directed and we'll bring that back to you.

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Yeah, to potential other opportunities.

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Just yes.

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Thank you.

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Okay.

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Okay. Very good.

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We have a motion second on the floor.

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I've seen no further discussion and no speakers.

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I will call for the vote.

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Item B1 passes unanimously with one absent for the yes.

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Okay, we're now on to item B2.

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The public hearing is open and I turn this over to the city manager.

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Thank you, Mayor.

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Thank you, City Council.

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This is a public hearing consideration request for a partial story.

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Pullaway for the proposed Solana Highlands project.

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The city of Solana Beach received an application for a development.

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Review permit and structural development permit on October 8 of 2014.

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Project Site consists of 13.4 acres on three parcels, and it's located at 661 to 781 South

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Naural Avenue, and 812 Stevens Avenue.

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The project site is currently developed with 194 multifamily residential units in 16 buildings

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in three additional residences.

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All existing residence units would be demolished in phasing and 2161.

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You want and two better apartments in 24 billion lines would be constructed with a recreation

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facility clubhouse building and a cool project also involves grading and re-contouring of

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the site proposed grading will increase the building pad elevations on some portions of the

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site and lower other areas portions of the site improve internal pedestrian vehicle circulation

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and the provision of on-site parking availability. Construction is being currently proposed to

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for three phases of repair of approximately 36 to 40 months.

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Projects exceeding 16 feet high are subject to the city's

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STB view process, which involves insulation of story poles.

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The city has received the request from the applicant for a waiver.

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From installing approximately two and a half percent of the story poles

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due to public safety issues, instead of the no 100 percent,

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I've done this before the council to provide the council

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and the public we information related to the basis of the request from the applicant for a partial

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waiver for some other storyfalls to conduct to at the public hearing and to consider the

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partial story for a whole waiver request. The project is not here for purposes of an overall

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project approval, but that I'm going to turn out to let's leave my off for the presentation.

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Thank you very much and before I turn it over to Leslie I just want to remind everybody here that

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this is a public hearing on the story pool waiver only not the project and that decorum is expected

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of all of you. No booing, no clapping, no vocalizations from the audience. Please give people the

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respect that they're due once we get to the public comment period. After we have

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the presentation by Les Lea, I'm going to make sure call for all of you to have your speaker

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slips in. So if you haven't received a speaker slip from the back table there, please grab a

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speaker slip, fill it in, and get it to the clerk Laticia over here, and you will have through

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period of the time when Leslie gives a presentation in the council ask questions and then we will close that.

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So please, if you're going to speak, please get your paper in, Leslie.

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Thank you, Mayor.

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Giving me the council members.

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The purpose of tonight's public hearing is to provide the public and the council with information regarding the basis of the applicant.

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We're also here to conduct the public hearing so that you can consider the applicants request for a waiver of some of the storypoles.

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Again, tonight's hearing is focused on the storypoles themselves, not the overall project.

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By way of summary, the existing Sloan Highlands Development Project is located on 13.4 acres at the southwest corner of South Nardo and Stevens Avenue.

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On site, there are currently 194 rental apartments, as well as three single-family homes.

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The project site is located within the high residential zone in a zone for 13 to 12.

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Excuse me, 13 to 20 dwelling units per acre.

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The proposed project includes 260 multifamily units, consisting of one and two bedroom units.

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The project includes 32 affordable units, and as proposed, the number of units would increase

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on-site by 32%.

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The applicant is also proposing 525 parking spaces on-site, which is an increase of 68%

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from the existing parking spaces, which currently total 311.

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In all, there are 25 buildings proposed, which would be two and three stories.

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And as was mentioned, there is quite a bit of grading that's proposed on site, the portions of the site would be lowered in elevation and other portions of the site would be reduced in elevation.

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The applicant has proposed to reduce their maximum requested height from 68 feet to 28 feet to 28 feet.

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And they are accommodating this request or this reduction rather by changing some of these slopes on the roofs on site.

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So currently the proposed maximum height would be approximately 58 feet above existing grade.

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The tallest proposed building is 57.62 feet and this will be a three-story building.

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It's identified as building number 22, which I'll show on a site plan coming up.

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Breaking down at 57.62 feet, the structure itself would be 35.42 feet and the fill would be 22.2 feet.

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Again, the fill materials for this pad and some of the other pads raise the elevation whereas excavation on site will be lowering some of the pad elevations.

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And just as a reminder, the city measures height as from the lower of either the existing or proposed future grade.

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The

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project would propose to reduce the number of dryways from 4 to 2 and increase parking to an average of two spaces per unit, including 253 on-site parking spaces, which should be garages.

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The applicant is also proposing traffic calming measures along South Nardo, and these are intended to slow down traffic and reduce average speeds.

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The applicant is proposing a phased demolition and construction plan that would run 36 to 40 months and generally proceed from West to East.

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This is just an overview of the site plan.

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This would be the new main entrance. This would be the second entrance.

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Building 22 is this building right here and that would be the tallest proposed building on site.

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The

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city's requirements for our story poles are contained in Solana Beach Municipal Code Section 17.63 and they require that all proposed structures that are greater than 16 feet in height as measured from the existing grade must be story poles.

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So an applicant is required to install story poles and obtain a structured development permit if any buildings are greater than 16 feet.

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The purpose of storypoles is to show the general outline and the height of proposed structures.

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And the storypoles system consists of the poles themselves, wires, or other means of connecting the poles,

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and then flags to increase the ability to see the proposed changes.

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In addition, the storypoles system includes three or more guy wires,

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which are essentially just metal wires that connects the poles to the ground and anchor them

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in place.

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During the process of locating the story poles on the ground, the surveyor and the

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applicant contact the city to let the city know that some of the poles were going to be located

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within the four site driveways, as well as fire lanes and parking spaces.

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We can't request that the city come outside to review this condition. It's the fire chief and the fire marshal and city staff conducted site visit in January and again in February to review the story poll locations as they were marked or spray painted on the ground.

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The fire chief and fire marshal determined that installing some of the polls would create a public safety hazard.

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In that emergency responders and personnel, as well as vehicles, would be unable to or have a very difficult time accessing the project site.

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This is just an example photo of what city staff went out and saw.

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So this is the main driveway, the existing main driveway, looking north out to South Nardo.

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Each one of these locations has a dot and then a story pole number, so this is pole 181,

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with a proposed height of 12.7 feet, and this is story pole 185, which would be 12.9, 12.9 feet tall.

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In addition to the story poles themselves, the support mechanism for the poles consists of a guy wire system that has a

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itself. So the story poles and the wire support systems would block all four

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project driveways. And approximately 400 plus residents would be affected with

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significant egress and ingress issues trying to access the site.

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In addition, the

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story poles would remove approximately 60 existing parking spaces on site. Therefore,

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the applicant has submitted a waiver request to the city to a waiver to install

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any polls that would create a public safety access related to egress and ingress to the existing site.

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This is an example of parking space that's affected. The blue dot indicates it's not a story

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poll itself that would be located but rather the guywire system would preclude the ability to

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park in this parking space.

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So the basis of the partial story poll request is summarized here.

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the story pole plan indicates that it should be 182 poles are required to story pole the project.

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I think that that's correctly cited in the staff report. Approximately 70% of the story poles

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can be installed without any problem, including the tallest building which can be fully story

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pulled. The remaining 30% of stoles would create potential public safety hazards by blocking

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fire lanes, driveways, and parking spaces.

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Given the public safety concerns and the practical difficulties and physical hardship

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of the literal enforcement of this provision of the Solana Beach Municipal Code, the applicant

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has requested a partial story poll waiver.

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This exhibit shows the polls that can be installed in green.

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So, again, this is a long-night-o, anything shown in green can be story-pulled.

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The dots that are shown in yellow are the ones that the applicant is seeking the waiver from installing.

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In reviewing the applicant's request, staff developed some draft conditions for your consideration.

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And these are intended to provide the public with the opportunity to understand the height and the bulk and the scale of the project, in lieu of citing or in lieu of installing all of the story poles.

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And the conditions here are that the applicant shall require shall produce a 3D digital visual model to show the project from surrounding off-site areas and key identified viewpoints.

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The second condition is that the applicant shall utilize temporary mobile lifts with a flagging and numbering system to simulate the poles that are not installed.

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The third condition is that the applicant shall host two community-story pole orientation site visits.

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One in the morning and one in the afternoon with some overlap to allow as many people to attend as possible.

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And then the fourth condition is that all story pole simulations, which are created by the mobile

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lift system, which you'll see in an upcoming slide, shall be photographed and numbered to correspond

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to the poles on a site plan.

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And these lifts will be available on site during the community orientation meetings.

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This is an example of what the mobile system would do.

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So this mobile lift would be positioned where a story pole would otherwise be located.

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Here's the number. This is story pole 102, and this flag would represent the top of that building.

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Staff has developed several options for the consideration which are listed here.

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Option one, approve the partial story poll waiver request and adopt resolution 2015-028.

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Option two is to deny the partial story poll waiver request.

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00:50:45,030 --> 00:50:49,330
Option three is to provide alternative direction to the city council.

431
00:50:51,460 --> 00:50:57,340
It is staff's recommendation that you conduct the public hearing report counsel disclosures,

432
00:50:57,340 --> 00:51:03,200
received public testimony and closed the public hearing. And recommendation number two is to adopt

433
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:10,340
resolution 2015-028 approving the applicant's request. And that concludes my presentation.

434
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:15,020
Be happy to answer any questions. Thank you, Mr. President. Do I have any questions of counsel?

435
00:51:30,190 --> 00:51:30,750
Mr.

436
00:51:30,750 --> 00:51:35,250
the permanent story poles are going to be marked for both the height of the building and the

437
00:51:35,250 --> 00:51:40,610
grade proposed finished grade correct. Is there some way to accomplish that with the

438
00:51:40,610 --> 00:51:44,270
lift mechanism that you're proposing as well? So when we have the lift we could actually

439
00:51:44,270 --> 00:51:49,010
see where the finished grade would be and how accurate do we believe that the lift system

440
00:51:49,010 --> 00:51:56,030
is going to be. The official story poles are surveyed for a certified measurement. How close

441
00:51:56,030 --> 00:52:00,470
do we think the lift capability is? Yeah, well, well, I have that already sort of

442
00:52:00,470 --> 00:52:04,270
survey as well at that time. So let me make sure that if I

443
00:52:05,790 --> 00:52:14,710
The this 70% plus poles and the those poles will have special markings on them that will besides the numbering and and the you know

444
00:52:14,710 --> 00:52:19,170
One foot marks will have a special color coding that would show

445
00:52:20,170 --> 00:52:27,110
Where the obviously where the proposed grave would be as well so you'll be able to see that and also on a permanent poles as well

446
00:52:27,110 --> 00:52:29,170
But the ones with the list will be able to see the difference in the market.

447
00:52:30,590 --> 00:52:36,770
Another question I had is, we may not have this information, but you mentioned there were 60 parking spaces.

448
00:52:37,530 --> 00:52:42,350
I don't know where there are overlaps between the poles that affect public safety and the poles of the fact parking spaces.

449
00:52:42,490 --> 00:52:48,910
I'm kind of curious, for example, if there were some trade off with respect to onsite parking to install more poles if we knew what that would give us.

450
00:52:50,110 --> 00:52:56,890
No, we effectively, the English Egress effectively, it says there's 60 parking space

451
00:52:56,890 --> 00:52:59,430
of repuls, or guidelines that I'd wear in a pump, right?

452
00:52:59,430 --> 00:53:02,010
Think of it, there's no parking space, because you can't get in or out.

453
00:53:02,210 --> 00:53:05,970
No, no, I'm just saying, if we could say, well, we're okay, losing 20 parking spaces, how many

454
00:53:05,970 --> 00:53:06,970
were poles would we get?

455
00:53:07,470 --> 00:53:08,490
Yeah, we could do that type of thing.

456
00:53:08,530 --> 00:53:09,630
Sure, yeah, we could do that type of thing.

457
00:53:09,630 --> 00:53:09,890
Sure, yeah, we could do that type of thing.

458
00:53:10,350 --> 00:53:10,590
Okay.

459
00:53:11,750 --> 00:53:16,550
And the other thing I just want to add to that question is that every building will, every building

460
00:53:16,550 --> 00:53:21,470
We don't have a member of one story poem, most will have much more than that, but whatever

461
00:53:21,470 --> 00:53:27,070
that story poem is, we'll represent the tallest part of that building, and it may not

462
00:53:27,070 --> 00:53:31,650
be the exact location, but that's the purpose of putting it in the painting of the fittings

463
00:53:31,650 --> 00:53:37,630
or the corners on the where you can see them, and you would just imagine if you want the whole

464
00:53:37,630 --> 00:53:40,730
buildings that tall, because that will be the tallest part.

465
00:53:41,430 --> 00:53:49,070
So that would be the worst case, so even though a story poll, number 1, 21, really isn't

466
00:53:49,070 --> 00:53:54,870
at a certain height, we're going to, but it's the only story poll for the building that

467
00:53:54,870 --> 00:53:59,150
can be cited, we'll make it at the highest of the entire building.

468
00:53:59,570 --> 00:54:06,910
Okay, so I'm curious if the set had been done before we ever waived a story poll placement?

469
00:54:07,530 --> 00:54:08,430
Yes, we have.

470
00:54:08,430 --> 00:54:18,290
We've done it on residential, you know, if you're a resident of projects single, if I'm home to, we've done it on commercial projects, we did it on on church, so.

471
00:54:18,870 --> 00:54:21,210
Okay, but have they come to council before?

472
00:54:22,030 --> 00:54:26,790
No, in this particular one because we knew this is going to be highly public.

473
00:54:27,010 --> 00:54:32,390
We wanted the public to have an opportunity to, because that's done by staff and it's done by the director's level.

474
00:54:32,930 --> 00:54:37,190
And so we have an echo, but we also have an echo that we can refer to you as well.

475
00:54:37,650 --> 00:54:41,930
And so we are referring to you because we felt the public need to know that it's being proposed to occur.

476
00:54:42,390 --> 00:54:43,150
Okay, appreciate that.

477
00:54:43,470 --> 00:54:44,150
Thank you.

478
00:54:44,570 --> 00:54:45,450
Okay, Mr. Nichols?

479
00:54:46,250 --> 00:54:48,150
So we got this plan up here.

480
00:54:48,330 --> 00:54:49,910
First time we saw it was when we sat down.

481
00:54:50,110 --> 00:54:51,470
So I had a chance to look at it.

482
00:54:51,510 --> 00:54:53,830
What my question has to do with when you put these,

483
00:54:53,890 --> 00:54:57,190
I'm assuming the plan says these are the ones that are going to have the crane.

484
00:54:57,410 --> 00:54:58,950
This is multiple cranes.

485
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:12,740
We're going to put a string from crane to crane, or lift a lift, so people can actually see these buildings.

486
00:55:13,100 --> 00:55:17,840
We'll try to, uh, police, and especially in the entryway, we, right there, we'll try to put the strings across there.

487
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:19,140
Yes, we'll be correct that.

488
00:55:19,220 --> 00:55:20,360
Sure, you can direct that. Absolutely.

489
00:55:20,720 --> 00:55:27,720
And each building is going to be a different color. The different flags or something like that. I mean, how are people going to know what building is what?

490
00:55:27,720 --> 00:55:29,700
Because they'll have the plan with them.

491
00:55:29,820 --> 00:55:31,260
They'll have the numbers and the building numbers.

492
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:32,680
Yeah, that's hard to read though.

493
00:55:33,020 --> 00:55:34,500
Again, you can direct the job, so I'm okay.

494
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:38,560
So with this plan that we have tonight,

495
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:40,900
I assume the applicant have a presentation.

496
00:55:41,900 --> 00:55:41,940
Okay.

497
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:43,380
I'll just wait to hold my questions then.

498
00:55:44,780 --> 00:55:46,280
Okay, I see no other questions.

499
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:48,460
So to the audience, this is...

500
00:55:48,460 --> 00:55:49,140
This is one more thing.

501
00:55:49,580 --> 00:55:52,420
If you have questions later or before the fire chief

502
00:55:52,420 --> 00:55:54,340
and the fire marshal are here as well.

503
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:54,780
Excellent.

504
00:55:55,780 --> 00:55:57,300
I just wanted to make a note to the audience.

505
00:55:57,300 --> 00:55:59,380
This is the time to get your speaker slips in, all right?

506
00:55:59,900 --> 00:56:01,680
Okay, now it is time, thank you Leslie.

507
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:03,540
It's time for the applicant to speak.

508
00:56:03,660 --> 00:56:06,100
The applicant has 15 minutes to present.

509
00:56:06,980 --> 00:56:09,880
They may save some of their time for rebuttal,

510
00:56:10,780 --> 00:56:13,480
depending on what, if they would like to do that,

511
00:56:13,500 --> 00:56:15,000
responding to the speakers.

512
00:56:15,540 --> 00:56:17,240
How many speakers do we have with Eisiau?

513
00:56:18,100 --> 00:56:21,180
There's 14 speakers, two of which are groups.

514
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:24,540
Okay, the groups have 15 to 15 minutes each.

515
00:56:25,140 --> 00:56:26,260
Okay, all right.

516
00:56:26,260 --> 00:56:28,080
Okay, Mr. O'Neill.

517
00:56:29,180 --> 00:56:33,800
Mike Neill, President of the CEO of the H.E. Fenton Company, and believe it or not, we would

518
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:38,540
prefer not to be here tonight asking this. In fact, back in November of last year, we contracted

519
00:56:39,300 --> 00:56:43,400
for all the story polls with California story polls, both the green ones and the red ones

520
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:47,540
that are on the map. It wasn't until we went out and physically surveyed where those would

521
00:56:47,540 --> 00:56:51,800
go, that we discovered we had an issue, we partnered with Fire Department to determine

522
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,280
those polls and their installation were feasible.

523
00:56:54,700 --> 00:56:57,020
Even the ones that are in parking places,

524
00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:59,500
the guywars go out into the drive area

525
00:56:59,500 --> 00:57:03,820
and present a problem for a vehicle to pass or a safety vehicle.

526
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:06,880
Since this is our first time before you just

527
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:08,600
real briefly who are with the H.E.F.E.

528
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:10,120
company, it's kind of an each story.

529
00:57:10,300 --> 00:57:13,360
We're a 109-year-old San Diego family-owned company.

530
00:57:13,620 --> 00:57:15,880
We're in the apartment business and the industrial building

531
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:20,080
business all here in San Diego County, kind of a unique story.

532
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:24,840
And there's a picture from how Henry Fetton started.

533
00:57:26,300 --> 00:57:29,420
We bought Solana Highlands back in 1998.

534
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:31,700
We tend to either buy or build.

535
00:57:31,900 --> 00:57:34,340
And whatever we buy or build, we hold on to long term.

536
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:37,020
Solana Highlands was in very poor condition

537
00:57:37,020 --> 00:57:37,660
when we bought it.

538
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,380
The previous owner had frankly just moved it for cash flow.

539
00:57:40,860 --> 00:57:42,160
We have since put quite a bit of money

540
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:43,960
into the property fixing it up.

541
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:47,180
The property is in good condition today.

542
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:49,820
However, we're not able to meet with our customer

543
00:57:49,820 --> 00:57:54,720
as told us over and over, they want us to meet, and possibly put in washers and dryers

544
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:58,640
in the units, the function of the units, the way they lay out, et cetera, et cetera.

545
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:04,400
So we developed a plan that we thought was fairly innovative, three neighborhoods in one,

546
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:09,760
a bungalow neighborhood up in the gold area, a lifestyle area kind of inner around the pool,

547
00:58:09,980 --> 00:58:13,540
and a value view in the area that would look out towards the racetrack.

548
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:20,880
Again, this is a plan that's still being shaped by input and the public's input and what not.

549
00:58:20,980 --> 00:58:25,360
So we're not proposing anything tonight other than to kind of let you know what it looks like.

550
00:58:25,660 --> 00:58:31,060
The architecture we've worked hard on, the architecture we think is very high on particularly for a part of my community.

551
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:40,700
This would be an example of what we're playing with on the bungalow side in the lifestyle area and in the value of the area.

552
00:58:40,700 --> 00:58:45,540
So very high-end architecture, you know, considerate of the values we're trying to create for

553
00:58:45,540 --> 00:58:50,340
the community, what we're trying to do to satisfy our customer and make sure our shareholders

554
00:58:50,340 --> 00:58:55,060
who are family members are all very proud of of what we've done in this community.

555
00:58:55,780 --> 00:58:59,940
So with that, I'm going to ask John Lare out from our company to come up and just quickly

556
00:58:59,940 --> 00:59:05,480
run through some of the background on how the story pole pieces will be done, hopefully

557
00:59:05,980 --> 00:59:09,640
tax setting what Leslie has brought up. We can answer some questions there.

558
00:59:14,060 --> 00:59:14,260
Thank you

559
00:59:14,260 --> 00:59:19,040
Council. We've had the opportunity to work with the community on this project since 2010,

560
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:23,520
and we see this as a continuation of the shaping of the project that we hopefully can bring to

561
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:29,740
Council. This is the plan that Leslie already went through, the green poles are the ones we can install,

562
00:59:29,900 --> 00:59:34,840
the yellow ones are the ones that we're talking about tonight. So I just wanted to focus and give you

563
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:38,720
So my idea of what it looks like on the ground is just a little more than Leslie had

564
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:39,120
it earlier.

565
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:44,780
These are the two poles, 181 and 185, they're in the main driveway entrance to our club

566
00:59:44,780 --> 00:59:46,220
house and leasing area.

567
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:51,900
The poles are there, they're marked in yellow to correspond back to the plan.

568
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:56,780
The building corners are shown there to help you kind of see where building stops and

569
00:59:56,780 --> 00:59:59,960
where it starts and the, so you have the pole ID.

570
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:08,620
The building corner and the height of the poll at that location. So if you're on site, you can stand and look at that marking and understand how tall the poll is in that area.

571
01:00:10,300 --> 01:00:21,780
This is a picture showing what that poll 181 looks like on a lift. As you can see, the poll ID, the poll itself and then a flag marking at the top.

572
01:00:24,100 --> 01:00:26,800
I'll take you over to the other entrance.

573
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:33,040
we have, this is going to show you the markings for our new Club House and Leasing Center, proposed

574
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:39,180
Club House and Leasing Center. This is a pull 101, again the building corner, the yellow dot,

575
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:47,120
and the height of that location is 41.2. Now the building height of that location is 24 feet

576
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:52,080
and the fill is 17. So it's not that the building, the actual structure is 41.2.

577
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:58,520
This is a picture that Leslie has showed, so that's what it looks like with the lift

578
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:01,080
in place, with the flag, and the pole.

579
01:01:04,370 --> 01:01:10,510
This is a story pole 102, which shows the side of the building a little south of 101,

580
01:01:12,230 --> 01:01:17,550
and the height there is 45.5, but the structure actually isn't that tall.

581
01:01:18,450 --> 01:01:23,070
This is the lift showing what that looks like for pole 102.

582
01:01:25,340 --> 01:01:32,220
This is a picture of what a typical poll would look like on our site and so we just wanted to show you that.

583
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:34,760
I know you know what story polls look like.

584
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:46,740
So this is an exhibit showing in really the intent of when we started developing this project was to make sure that anything that was along that north,

585
01:01:48,060 --> 01:01:56,640
The roof lines of those buildings would match the roof lines of the roof lines of the existing building.

586
01:01:57,020 --> 01:02:00,800
So we didn't want any roof lines above what existed there today.

587
01:02:01,020 --> 01:02:04,860
And we didn't want any buildings that were closer to the street than what existed today.

588
01:02:05,540 --> 01:02:06,580
And then what we wanted to do.

589
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:09,260
So that's where we have the two-story product all along Nardo.

590
01:02:09,820 --> 01:02:11,840
And then behind that, we have the three-story product.

591
01:02:11,980 --> 01:02:13,300
So we moved the density to the back.

592
01:02:14,060 --> 01:02:16,720
And what we designed is that the roof lines of those buildings,

593
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:19,900
those buildings would not be taller than the roof lines on Nardo.

594
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:26,480
So the idea is that all the buildings heightwise would drop away from the North Nardo

595
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:27,420
edge.

596
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:34,500
John, did we set the where we plan to mark the sidewalks as well with these horizontal lines?

597
01:02:34,580 --> 01:02:41,160
Yes, we will be modern X right there, so the public or council or to that members can go stand

598
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:44,880
there with them at an exact location and look at over the poles.

599
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:47,360
Yeah, we can do that. Thank you.

600
01:02:51,390 --> 01:02:57,350
We're showing this exhibit. What we did is we took the site and we put a 30 foot above existing claim.

601
01:02:58,550 --> 01:03:07,150
So the roofs that are poking out above that plane are where the site is going to change most from existing grade.

602
01:03:07,810 --> 01:03:10,450
And so we do that because we want to highlight to the community.

603
01:03:10,710 --> 01:03:14,150
Hey, these are the areas that are going to change most from what's existing today.

604
01:03:15,490 --> 01:03:21,510
This is just an angled view of that same image, and this is looking from Nardosal.

605
01:03:23,090 --> 01:03:28,290
Then we applied this to the story pole plan that you saw earlier, and we circled the poles on this plan to show you,

606
01:03:28,410 --> 01:03:30,930
hey, these are the poles that you want to pay attention to.

607
01:03:31,130 --> 01:03:41,490
75% of those poles are green poles, so they're going to be put in place, and then 25% of those are the yellow poles that we would use the lift system to show.

608
01:03:41,490 --> 01:03:41,970
And

609
01:03:45,300 --> 01:03:47,200
we're here for any questions.

610
01:03:49,540 --> 01:03:50,100
Very good.

611
01:03:50,260 --> 01:03:55,700
So can you go back to the slide that the City Manager just spoke to you about and extrapolate

612
01:03:55,700 --> 01:03:58,900
on what you just discussed because I wasn't real clear on that?

613
01:03:59,100 --> 01:04:03,500
So you're saying that, let me see, where's my little pointer thing?

614
01:04:03,900 --> 01:04:06,880
So you're saying that where these lines, where to go?

615
01:04:08,220 --> 01:04:09,240
Where is it?

616
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:10,220
I'm all over the place.

617
01:04:11,260 --> 01:04:11,680
Oh, there.

618
01:04:12,100 --> 01:04:12,260
Where?

619
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:13,620
So you're saying that.

620
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:16,880
This is the sidewalk and you're going to put markings there or the here and that's

621
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:20,720
people will stand and explain this to me.

622
01:04:21,020 --> 01:04:22,360
You, the first thought you did.

623
01:04:22,580 --> 01:04:24,280
Everybody with that line that he was up on the sidewalk,

624
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:25,460
he could be a little bit of an ex-interesting.

625
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:26,720
Yeah, this is happening in the state.

626
01:04:26,940 --> 01:04:30,220
It's straight out and see those same exact lines straight out,

627
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:31,200
you know, American, yes.

628
01:04:31,780 --> 01:04:34,260
So you can be able to stand there at this side and be able to see,

629
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:34,860
right, right, right.

630
01:04:35,340 --> 01:04:36,740
You're going to be able to stand here at this.

631
01:04:36,740 --> 01:04:37,900
Okay, stand and see that.

632
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:40,420
Okay, another question I have is,

633
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:45,640
so no new building, there will be no new building for the closer to the street

634
01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:52,100
what exists today. Right. So along that edge we made sure that any building that was on the

635
01:04:52,100 --> 01:04:59,760
new building was not closer to the street than we'll do it. What are you saying today? Right. Okay. So

636
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:09,340
On these, along the frontage here, how many of those are you able to store a poll? 70 percent, 100 percent?

637
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:13,540
It's most, so let me just go to, if you don't mind.

638
01:05:15,420 --> 01:05:20,460
So along that edge, all the green ones will be put into place.

639
01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:27,060
So these are the ones in the main driveway, and then this is the next driveway over here.

640
01:05:27,060 --> 01:05:29,980
and then you've got one in the middle of the drive here,

641
01:05:30,100 --> 01:05:32,320
but we can install these along here.

642
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:38,320
And there's going to be a few lifts,

643
01:05:39,020 --> 01:05:41,500
but I'm still a little bit unclear how you're going

644
01:05:41,500 --> 01:05:43,300
to have maybe a handful of lifts,

645
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:47,320
and there's quite a few story poles that

646
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:48,580
won't have a lift at them.

647
01:05:48,820 --> 01:05:51,680
So I'm not sure how we're going to see everything

648
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:52,680
with the lift system.

649
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:54,700
Can you please explain a little bit more of that?

650
01:05:54,700 --> 01:05:54,980
Sure.

651
01:05:54,980 --> 01:05:56,280
are you driving the lift around?

652
01:05:57,620 --> 01:06:03,160
Yeah, so the ideas that are left in each driveway, and when we certify the story polls, the

653
01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:08,900
idea would be, go to each poll, put it up, have the city there to certify the polls, take

654
01:06:08,900 --> 01:06:13,180
all the pictures of the polls as they're being certified, so you can document what that

655
01:06:13,180 --> 01:06:14,300
poll looks like.

656
01:06:14,580 --> 01:06:21,880
And then we would host a couple of days, as Leslie spoke about, where if someone wanted to

657
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:26,860
a poll put into place, we would have those lists on site and we could communicate with that

658
01:06:26,860 --> 01:06:31,340
person and say, hey, I want to see that poll put up. And so we would drive the lift to

659
01:06:31,340 --> 01:06:35,660
that area, put the poll up, and they could take pictures from wherever they are of that

660
01:06:35,660 --> 01:06:36,600
poll in place.

661
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:40,920
Okay. Okay, I understand now. Thank you. Mr. Nichols, you have a question.

662
01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:46,020
I did just follow along with that. The way that I understood it, and it sounds different

663
01:06:46,020 --> 01:06:50,680
than what you just explained it, so bear with me while I can walk through this. I was envisioning

664
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:57,720
If someone were to say, for example, I want to see this building right at the bunch of yellow, I want to like, that one right there.

665
01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:05,240
You would put lifts at each of these locations and then string lines up so someone could see the outline of that building. Is that not what you're proposing?

666
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:11,020
So what we had talked about is putting a lift and lifting the pole at that location.

667
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:15,540
But what I'm asking you is what I'm asking you feasible.

668
01:07:15,540 --> 01:07:20,620
Because that to me makes more sense to be able to see the outline of the building versus hey

669
01:07:20,620 --> 01:07:24,680
there's a pole here now envision what this pole looks like when it's not there.

670
01:07:24,860 --> 01:07:27,560
Now let me drive over there and put that pole up. Now look at that and take a picture.

671
01:07:30,380 --> 01:07:37,400
So when we talk about string lines with fire, you know, they were concerned about a string line at a certain height and a driveway

672
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:40,500
and if it's in place and that would be this would be temporary.

673
01:07:40,980 --> 01:07:42,220
So if we're firing, take the string.

674
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:45,740
We could do that. I mean there's nothing wrong. We can do that.

675
01:07:45,740 --> 01:07:46,500
Okay.

676
01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:57,360
So that can answer my question on that direction. Then the other question about the visual simulation thing that you just showed.

677
01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:03,580
With looking at visual simulations, they're tricky because like you show sort of a bird's eye view,

678
01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:08,180
and it's really hard to see, you know, from a street perspective, what it's like, what it's like.

679
01:08:08,580 --> 01:08:12,340
And we have no idea if someone's going to file for a view or not.

680
01:08:12,340 --> 01:08:17,160
Are you going to be able to set that up so that you can actually pinpoint from somebody's address

681
01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:25,500
what the view would be like from, say, the different yard so that we can actually have an analysis of what their view claim could be

682
01:08:25,500 --> 01:08:29,440
versus this kind of broad scoped aerial vision when you're looking down.

683
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:30,120
Right, yes.

684
01:08:30,340 --> 01:08:38,720
If there was a view claim we could go to their house to where that view has taken a picture from that view and insert the model into the picture.

685
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:42,560
So you could see what the project would look like from that view.

686
01:08:43,100 --> 01:08:46,640
And I'm assuming that if there were a view claim, we could also go back and put the

687
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:50,140
polls up because we'd have to have the assessment committee come out and look at the polls

688
01:08:50,140 --> 01:08:51,260
from that view as well.

689
01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:55,840
So there may be multiple times beyond the two days where you actually have to do this.

690
01:08:56,640 --> 01:08:56,740
Yes.

691
01:08:57,320 --> 01:08:57,420
Yes.

692
01:08:57,420 --> 01:08:58,340
And it's actually city staff.

693
01:08:58,340 --> 01:08:59,200
Are we taking those pictures?

694
01:08:59,540 --> 01:09:03,640
So there's, you know, not the actual applicant taking those pictures.

695
01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:06,560
So they can't be manipulated in any way.

696
01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:06,880
Sure.

697
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:09,320
Okay, that's all I have for now.

698
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:09,800
Okay.

699
01:09:10,540 --> 01:09:15,620
All right, how much time does Fenton have left before nine minutes or three?

700
01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:17,040
Okay, very good.

701
01:09:17,460 --> 01:09:19,800
All right, so now we're going to go to public speakers.

702
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:21,820
The teacher first speaker, please.

703
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:23,580
First speakers, James Ademo.

704
01:09:32,180 --> 01:09:34,040
Yeah, I don't know, members of the council.

705
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:36,440
I name the James Ademo and I represent

706
01:09:36,440 --> 01:09:38,940
the same James Catholic Church in school.

707
01:09:39,740 --> 01:09:42,700
And our concern at this time really is very simple.

708
01:09:42,700 --> 01:09:55,680
The Council would like to be able to see the outline of the buildings from our point of view, which is we have plenty of our property lines are the same, the joint property lines.

709
01:09:56,400 --> 01:09:59,960
So we are concerned that all the buildings that are within them.

710
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:05,280
View of our property that the story polls do go in place.

711
01:10:07,440 --> 01:10:11,760
The other concern is, of course, actually, at this time, the only thing we're concerned about

712
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:17,740
is the story polls, and later on we're going to be, especially our school principal, is concerned

713
01:10:17,740 --> 01:10:23,600
about the noise and dust and dirt and the children, and how it's going to affect them during

714
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:29,040
school hours. But that will be addressed at a later date, I'm sure. At least it will be

715
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:35,860
our point of view. Anyway, that's the bottom line. We're sharing property lines and what

716
01:10:35,860 --> 01:10:41,960
we'd like to see is that the buildings that affect us, we would like to see the outline

717
01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:46,640
so we can address the scope of the property. That's all. Thank you very much.

718
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:51,100
Thank you, sir. Next speaker. Michael Nune.

719
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:05,680
For the record of it matters, my last name is

720
01:11:07,620 --> 01:11:09,660
As a preamble to this.

721
01:11:09,980 --> 01:11:12,540
So can you be moved up mic down so we can move up?

722
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:12,640
Okay.

723
01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:14,020
Yes, I'm short sorry.

724
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:20,600
As a preamble to this, I live above the property at on our data lane.

725
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:22,660
And so I look out over the whole thing.

726
01:11:23,460 --> 01:11:27,620
And we bought the house for that view, so we may have a view concern.

727
01:11:28,820 --> 01:11:33,520
And the current property is filled with lush tall, mature trees.

728
01:11:34,020 --> 01:11:42,460
And at the first meeting we were told at the church, where they presented this, we were told by the artist, that they're all diseased and in this they all have to come down.

729
01:11:43,080 --> 01:11:45,800
So this is going to be a complete disruption of the way everything looks.

730
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:48,840
I say that, I know we're not talking about that here today.

731
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:53,380
But in order to see these story poles, those trees are there.

732
01:11:54,200 --> 01:12:01,020
You won't be able to see the shapes of the buildings, at least from our perspective, through the existing greenery,

733
01:12:01,020 --> 01:12:03,420
which will all be removed according to the developer.

734
01:12:04,080 --> 01:12:05,080
So that's the first concern.

735
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:07,320
So I have three issues with polls

736
01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:11,000
and I'm the first one to go with the church as well.

737
01:12:11,420 --> 01:12:13,620
I have a concern that people at the church,

738
01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:16,020
there's a playground right there.

739
01:12:16,260 --> 01:12:18,520
Those two buildings on the lower left corner there

740
01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:20,060
are going to be three story buildings.

741
01:12:20,700 --> 01:12:23,580
On the model, they didn't correctly show the upper building.

742
01:12:23,820 --> 01:12:26,320
It's going to be inserted into the hill.

743
01:12:26,480 --> 01:12:27,360
There's a hill there.

744
01:12:27,940 --> 01:12:30,200
And those are going to be level there's a level parking lot

745
01:12:30,200 --> 01:12:36,320
proposed between those two buildings, those buildings are going to be 30 feet high and look

746
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:41,440
directly over the playground of the school, so I agree with the church on their concern.

747
01:12:42,140 --> 01:12:46,280
Our houses at the above and on one of the sidelines on one of the slides,

748
01:12:46,860 --> 01:12:52,080
they showed a sideline going down here from our living space. We look straight down that sideline

749
01:12:52,900 --> 01:12:58,560
and currently there's buildings there but what we're going to see is a driveway that leads

750
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:00,880
directly to a three-story building at the bottom,

751
01:13:01,460 --> 01:13:03,640
which is almost at the same height because it's three

752
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:05,940
stores as the buildings at the street.

753
01:13:06,340 --> 01:13:11,220
That building has one story pole that is I think,

754
01:13:11,440 --> 01:13:12,380
40 feet high.

755
01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:15,740
So how am I going to be able to see what that massive

756
01:13:15,740 --> 01:13:18,000
three-story building looks like from my house

757
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:20,400
when there are trees and things in between?

758
01:13:20,420 --> 01:13:22,680
It's going to be very, very difficult to do this.

759
01:13:23,260 --> 01:13:24,240
So that's another one.

760
01:13:24,460 --> 01:13:27,460
And then the last one is there's a story pole

761
01:13:27,460 --> 01:13:28,940
down in building 16.

762
01:13:29,200 --> 01:13:34,200
When moment, staff, could you please provide a pointer or a light and book I can walk up?

763
01:13:34,240 --> 01:13:36,000
No, you think you have to stand in the mic.

764
01:13:38,050 --> 01:13:38,690
Please pause the other hand.

765
01:13:38,690 --> 01:13:41,510
I was talking about, is I don't want to hit you in the eye with this.

766
01:13:42,130 --> 01:13:45,730
Is here, has one historical on the farthest corner.

767
01:13:46,510 --> 01:13:48,430
Our view line looks straight at that building.

768
01:13:49,150 --> 01:13:53,690
Down, what will be a new open space, which we won't be able to tell what that looks like.

769
01:13:54,450 --> 01:13:55,890
Because they're buildings there now.

770
01:13:57,230 --> 01:14:11,730
So what you're trying to see is not only where the buildings are, but you're trying to see where the spaces are, and that's going to be very difficult, because this is a massive dense project, everything's being paved over, and new buildings are being built where old ones are, it's very, very disrupted.

771
01:14:11,730 --> 01:14:17,150
But our other view angle is here, and currently there's a green outside of the area.

772
01:14:17,330 --> 01:14:18,690
You can wrap it up real fast.

773
01:14:18,890 --> 01:14:19,530
Okay, well.

774
01:14:19,890 --> 01:14:27,370
So at the end of that view angle, there is this tallest put story pole, which also for some reason is not on the map.

775
01:14:27,630 --> 01:14:28,050
Thank you.

776
01:14:28,230 --> 01:14:29,770
And one last comment about the church.

777
01:14:30,510 --> 01:14:36,370
If I may, I believe the reason that isn't being done is because there's a fire road there, a Jason to those buildings.

778
01:14:36,370 --> 01:14:42,910
And if maybe the church would allow them to tether their poles on church property, that might solve the problem.

779
01:14:43,190 --> 01:14:43,630
Good suggestion.

780
01:14:43,910 --> 01:14:44,230
Thank you.

781
01:14:44,430 --> 01:14:45,150
Next speaker, please.

782
01:14:45,510 --> 01:14:46,150
Phil Weber?

783
01:14:54,240 --> 01:14:54,440
Hi.

784
01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:58,420
I also live at 639-90 Lane, so we get a good picture of the whole project.

785
01:14:58,960 --> 01:14:59,980
So, good afternoon.

786
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:29,980
Good night evening. One of the issues with the story polls that tell a story. And we like geometry. And if you don't have all the points connected, you don't know the building. You don't know the size. And you don't have the idea of the impact. We're going to have a lot of view concerns. Also we're going to have noise concerns too. So we really want to see the whole project. And one story poll here and one story poll there doesn't do a good. Also, think, you know, if you're going to do that, do temporary setups. You're going to have to have 40 plus lifts.line the building.

787
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:34,460
And I'm sure that's going to create hazards for fire engines and safety for people and take

788
01:15:34,460 --> 01:15:35,640
up parking slots also.

789
01:15:36,660 --> 01:15:40,960
So I just really, really ask that we have a really good representation of the buildings,

790
01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:46,140
especially the buildings that only have like one or two story poles for the whole thing

791
01:15:46,140 --> 01:15:47,140
that we don't see the shape.

792
01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:48,700
It's very important.

793
01:15:49,260 --> 01:15:54,100
I love looking this on a beach, it's a great place, we want to keep it beautiful, our neighbors

794
01:15:54,100 --> 01:15:57,180
want to keep it beautiful and we want to, I want to be good neighbors.

795
01:15:57,180 --> 01:15:59,340
So good story polls, make good neighbors.

796
01:16:00,440 --> 01:16:01,800
Thank you, next speaker.

797
01:16:06,910 --> 01:16:07,930
Zahra, nohabarl.

798
01:16:14,840 --> 01:16:16,800
Hi, hello, my name is Zahra, nohabarl.

799
01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:20,060
Who likes to live in Solana Beach?

800
01:16:20,720 --> 01:16:21,560
All of us.

801
01:16:22,140 --> 01:16:25,140
Do we like to let developers destroy our home?

802
01:16:25,320 --> 01:16:25,880
Not really.

803
01:16:26,440 --> 01:16:29,000
I like to call the project the vitalization

804
01:16:29,620 --> 01:16:31,780
and destruction of Solana Beach.

805
01:16:32,460 --> 01:16:35,180
I would like to ask the city council to deny permit

806
01:16:35,180 --> 01:16:41,920
partial story called placement and deny the permit to increase units and heights of the units in

807
01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:49,820
Solana Island. By the way, remember Solana Beach City Council voted to ban plastic banks in order to

808
01:16:49,820 --> 01:16:56,540
save our ocean. I'm hoping and I would love you to be smart enough to save our Earth as well.

809
01:16:58,240 --> 01:17:08,500
The request from Fenton Park, increasing 66 units is in the most dense place in Solana Beach.

810
01:17:09,160 --> 01:17:13,140
Very small narrow road, it's outrageous.

811
01:17:13,980 --> 01:17:19,640
While this request ruins our quality of life, especially for people who live across the streets

812
01:17:19,640 --> 01:17:26,280
from this project like myself, and the building will take three to five years to complete.

813
01:17:26,280 --> 01:17:30,580
We talk about other countries that they have war.

814
01:17:30,900 --> 01:17:35,560
This is going to be war and demolishing our quality of life.

815
01:17:38,020 --> 01:17:41,500
And then after that, it's going to affect everybody's life that day after.

816
01:17:41,900 --> 01:17:43,140
That's the dense population.

817
01:17:44,480 --> 01:17:48,560
In addition, the developers asking City Council to give them permission

818
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:51,120
not to place full story poles.

819
01:17:52,280 --> 01:17:53,300
What is that about?

820
01:17:54,220 --> 01:17:59,380
The last speaker talked about the story pose gives the full story.

821
01:17:59,620 --> 01:18:05,920
If I don't know the full story, and I live close across the street from this building,

822
01:18:07,100 --> 01:18:12,400
using, and they are using different excuses, the full story pose allow residents to visualize

823
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:18,120
how wide and how tall the buildings will be, and this will interfere with their present

824
01:18:18,120 --> 01:18:18,620
view.

825
01:18:18,620 --> 01:18:25,620
Again, I would like to ask the City Council and Madam Mayor to deny the permit for partial

826
01:18:25,620 --> 01:18:32,340
stereotyp or storyboard placement and deny the permit to increase units and hikes of the units.

827
01:18:32,700 --> 01:18:35,460
We could call project anything we want.

828
01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:37,700
They call it re-vitalization.

829
01:18:38,580 --> 01:18:41,760
I would like to call it de-vitalization.

830
01:18:42,140 --> 01:18:46,220
Taking our vitality and our life away from us.

831
01:18:46,540 --> 01:18:47,260
Thank you for listening.

832
01:18:47,260 --> 01:18:48,680
Thank you.

833
01:18:49,180 --> 01:18:49,760
Next speaker.

834
01:18:51,300 --> 01:18:51,560
10.

835
01:18:56,720 --> 01:18:57,600
Thank you.

836
01:18:57,800 --> 01:18:59,680
Much council and mayor for your time.

837
01:19:00,240 --> 01:19:02,260
Storypoles are a bit of a touch issue with me.

838
01:19:02,740 --> 01:19:08,820
About four years ago today, we are directing storypoles in my no view backyard for

839
01:19:08,820 --> 01:19:11,780
499 square foot addition to our house.

840
01:19:12,040 --> 01:19:16,700
I requested the planning department way of the storypoles because there were no view issues.

841
01:19:16,700 --> 01:19:31,220
I was denied. I believe that the structural development permit that the city currently uses is a way to get revenue into the city because even in cases where there are not story, if you issues, you're required to erect story poles.

842
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:36,180
Now we have a situation where there are serious view issues and they're asking for a waiver.

843
01:19:36,600 --> 01:19:44,260
I would request that you deny the waiver or else you reassess the whole storyful process and have them only erected where there are view issues.

844
01:19:44,260 --> 01:19:51,580
The structural development permit is about $700 that my family should not have had to spend in a zero-view area.

845
01:19:51,940 --> 01:19:56,300
Again, I request that you deny their waiver, and I have a solution to the problem.

846
01:19:56,620 --> 01:19:59,980
The solution to the problem is that you stop taking a reason.

847
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:05,540
This now, you've tell people you have a year. You have them move out, and then when the place is vacated,

848
01:20:05,900 --> 01:20:10,960
you can now erect all of the story poles, so people who live in the area can actually see what

849
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:13,260
it's going to look like. Thank you.

850
01:20:13,380 --> 01:20:16,340
Thank you, next speaker. Jesse Quinsett.

851
01:20:25,570 --> 01:20:31,050
Good evening, Mayor and Council. My name is Jesse Quinsett, and I live pretty close to 101 Fresca Street,

852
01:20:31,270 --> 01:20:36,110
which is about 100 yards away from this proposed development. I've been a resident of

853
01:20:36,110 --> 01:20:42,070
on Beach for about 28 years. 25 years ago, I applied for a permit to have a second story

854
01:20:42,070 --> 01:20:48,430
put on my home and I always told that I had to put story poles up. Since both houses next

855
01:20:48,430 --> 01:20:52,250
to me and the houses across the street from me were two stories I didn't see the need for

856
01:20:52,250 --> 01:20:58,990
having story poles so I applied for a waiver. I always told I couldn't get one until I

857
01:20:58,990 --> 01:21:05,230
advised all my neighbors and not only my immediate neighbors but neighbors within a quarter mile of

858
01:21:05,230 --> 01:21:09,930
that their view, or they wouldn't object to my plans.

859
01:21:10,730 --> 01:21:15,610
I did that, of course, and everybody did wave their requirement for me to put up story

860
01:21:15,610 --> 01:21:15,910
polls.

861
01:21:16,490 --> 01:21:21,470
I mentioned that as a preparatory work, just because in Sloan of each, we view this

862
01:21:21,470 --> 01:21:28,070
waiver very seriously and I hope that you take this waiver request just as seriously as

863
01:21:28,070 --> 01:21:29,950
a resident of my area did.

864
01:21:31,170 --> 01:21:34,410
And insofar as reading the reports, I do give due

865
01:21:34,410 --> 01:21:37,350
difference to the fact that safety is a paramount here,

866
01:21:37,750 --> 01:21:41,210
but I do believe there should be some balancing test

867
01:21:41,210 --> 01:21:43,890
applied as to whether or not these are actually safety

868
01:21:43,890 --> 01:21:46,270
issues or ingress and egress issues.

869
01:21:46,830 --> 01:21:52,830
I believe that Councilman Zeno pointed out that some of the

870
01:21:53,450 --> 01:21:58,230
polls in question, or perhaps not related to actual safety

871
01:21:58,230 --> 01:22:04,810
issues. Oh, that 30%, I would like the Council to direct the manager to determine which polls

872
01:22:04,810 --> 01:22:11,790
are actually safety issue oriented and which are not. If Egress is the only issue there,

873
01:22:11,870 --> 01:22:17,270
I think that there's a stronger count of balance to our right to have this project

874
01:22:17,270 --> 01:22:23,490
assessed in full view. It didn't seem to me that the fire chief, I do give them due

875
01:22:23,490 --> 01:22:29,670
in the case of which actual polls involve safety issues and which polls involve merely

876
01:22:29,670 --> 01:22:31,590
set egress issues.

877
01:22:32,030 --> 01:22:38,970
I agree that these residents will be placed at some inconvenience.

878
01:22:39,370 --> 01:22:42,710
But certainly they're going to be inconvenience if this project is approved.

879
01:22:43,390 --> 01:22:44,670
They'll be permanently displaced.

880
01:22:45,270 --> 01:22:47,930
I don't mind these residents parking along my street,

881
01:22:48,130 --> 01:22:52,590
so long as we get a better view of what this project actually looks like.

882
01:22:52,590 --> 01:23:02,850
And so far as the alternatives are concerned, I'm totally objecting to any kind of a 3D representation for the same views that are voiced here.

883
01:23:03,350 --> 01:23:05,470
My view is not the lack of real thing.

884
01:23:07,010 --> 01:23:13,090
I just drove by tonight and I noticed that there's a story polls put up on a building about two blocks away from here.

885
01:23:13,410 --> 01:23:18,210
It certainly has a different psychological effect when you have to look at that building every day,

886
01:23:18,210 --> 01:23:29,090
And not only on the Saturday mornings or Saturday afternoons, as is suggested in the applicant's report, I do agree that...

887
01:23:29,090 --> 01:23:31,130
So your time is up, thank you.

888
01:23:31,870 --> 01:23:31,990
Thank you.

889
01:23:32,510 --> 01:23:34,710
Next week, David Checkley.

890
01:23:47,120 --> 01:23:52,040
Madam Mayor and Council members, I simply have two points to make.

891
01:23:53,300 --> 01:23:58,980
The first is that to get a complete story, you need complete story polls.

892
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:04,380
If you put up an incomplete set of story poles, you're going to get an incomplete story.

893
01:24:05,080 --> 01:24:07,980
That's has been set a number of times here, and I firmly believe that.

894
01:24:08,920 --> 01:24:14,540
Imagine a wall was to be erected between you and us, and to visualize that wall.

895
01:24:15,440 --> 01:24:21,300
Three poles were put up, two over here, and then you took one out over here and put it up over here.

896
01:24:21,860 --> 01:24:28,220
Even if you put stringers over the top of those, you'd never get to complete story, if only part of that wall is erected between us.

897
01:24:28,220 --> 01:24:32,800
So I think you need complete story polls to tell a complete story.

898
01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:38,600
The second is in regards to the visualization, a visualization is generally used to mimic

899
01:24:38,600 --> 01:24:41,600
reality, represent reality on some form or another.

900
01:24:42,540 --> 01:24:48,120
And as was just said, if one has the opportunity, it presents that reality in another way

901
01:24:48,120 --> 01:24:53,260
I.E. with story polls, it's much better to do that because you'll never get the same thing

902
01:24:53,260 --> 01:24:54,660
by looking at a computer screen.

903
01:24:55,200 --> 01:24:59,720
And so I urge you strongly to consider rejection of this waiver request.

904
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:25,620
And somehow putting up all of these story poles. And I suggest one alternative and that is to perhaps let people park and if a deal can be arranged in the St. James parking lot and ferry them back and forth during the period of two days and all the story poles are up. And have that expense paid for by the developers and allow the full extent of the development to be seen. Thank you.

905
01:25:25,620 --> 01:25:30,140
Thank you. Next speaker. Adrian Davenport.

906
01:25:36,880 --> 01:25:38,860
Thank you very much for giving me the opportunity to speak.

907
01:25:39,140 --> 01:25:43,940
So my family and I lived directly across from the proposed revitalization project on South Nardo.

908
01:25:44,700 --> 01:25:50,640
And this is significant revitalization project. It's going from 190 units to 260 units.

909
01:25:51,060 --> 01:25:54,020
A waivers have to request it in terms of the high limitations of the buildings.

910
01:25:54,680 --> 01:25:59,600
And now for a story pool waiver to be requested that gives my husband and I as well as our neighbors,

911
01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:01,640
several of our neighbors that we've talked to along South

912
01:26:01,640 --> 01:26:03,000
Nordic quite a bit of concern.

913
01:26:03,560 --> 01:26:06,760
The concern that we have is, like many of my neighbors have

914
01:26:06,760 --> 01:26:08,620
suggested, you don't get the whole story

915
01:26:08,620 --> 01:26:10,540
and you literally have all the story poles up

916
01:26:10,540 --> 01:26:13,360
to really see the three-dimensional view of the proposed plans.

917
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:18,280
And 30% of 180 story poles is 54 or so poles.

918
01:26:18,860 --> 01:26:21,740
I don't think it's really feasible to have 54 lifts up

919
01:26:21,740 --> 01:26:22,620
at the same time.

920
01:26:23,140 --> 01:26:25,220
What we really would like to request is particularly

921
01:26:25,220 --> 01:26:27,420
for the story poles that are suggested to be

922
01:26:27,420 --> 01:26:33,180
paved on the east and west boundaries of the property, as well as the so-called secondary

923
01:26:33,180 --> 01:26:37,440
entrance, which if you look the layout of the property, the proposed property, will probably

924
01:26:37,440 --> 01:26:43,740
end up being the primary exit and entrance area into South Nardo rather than towards Stephens,

925
01:26:44,120 --> 01:26:48,700
that in particular those story poles are put up a representation of the mar at the same time,

926
01:26:48,960 --> 01:26:50,920
such that the neighbors are able to see them.

927
01:26:51,220 --> 01:26:54,400
I also requested their put up before a significant amount of time.

928
01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:59,120
Many of us are professionals. We travel. We're not available on any particular morning or evening.

929
01:26:59,580 --> 01:27:03,240
So they should be put up for several days at a time. Thank you very much for your consideration.

930
01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:07,360
Thank you. Next speaker, Kathy Neville.

931
01:27:11,180 --> 01:27:13,400
Good evening. And thank you, City Council,

932
01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:19,020
for the opportunity to speak with you. And the community tonight. My name is Kathy Neville.

933
01:27:19,100 --> 01:27:24,280
I have been a resident living in slana circle in slana beach for over 25 years.

934
01:27:25,380 --> 01:27:32,060
I moved away for a few years, and when I moved back, I was really shocked to see that there

935
01:27:32,060 --> 01:27:35,380
are going to be these expansions in height, increases, et cetera, et cetera.

936
01:27:36,420 --> 01:27:41,760
And I moved here because it's a wonderful community and the schools established here are just

937
01:27:41,760 --> 01:27:42,460
fabulous.

938
01:27:43,260 --> 01:27:50,400
I request the council to deny the permit for partial story pillars or polls, and deny the increase

939
01:27:50,400 --> 01:27:53,400
number of units in height of the units in Sloan of Highlands.

940
01:27:53,860 --> 01:27:59,160
The full story polls is the only way the community will get a good idea of the mass

941
01:27:59,160 --> 01:28:02,000
and scale of the Narrow apartment complex.

942
01:28:05,120 --> 01:28:10,080
I'm kind of reeling on the construction and other things, which I won't discuss, but I took

943
01:28:10,080 --> 01:28:11,500
that all out of my speech.

944
01:28:12,060 --> 01:28:15,880
A partial poll survey will give a skewed visual of the project.

945
01:28:15,880 --> 01:28:24,900
The project's height limiting the understanding and height and impact the everything we'll have on the community.

946
01:28:26,760 --> 01:28:32,220
And then the sequence, how is that not, how is that being skipped over with partial polls?

947
01:28:32,240 --> 01:28:35,900
I don't understand that. I think it's meeting quite a few criteria there.

948
01:28:36,260 --> 01:28:41,120
And I think the city could get to trouble if they don't really have their attorneys look into that.

949
01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:52,280
I really hope you consider this and consider the community because it seems like most everybody who lives in that portion of the community would like to see the full story.

950
01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:58,320
And so I'm hoping you take it seriously and honor us.

951
01:28:58,660 --> 01:28:59,120
Thank you.

952
01:28:59,880 --> 01:29:08,760
Thank you.

953
01:29:08,760 --> 01:29:15,700
heading present. And also Susan Brune, thank you. I'll put 15.

954
01:29:15,820 --> 01:29:23,500
Good evening. Actually, my neighbors are making such a good story that mine is going to be considerably shorter than I thought.

955
01:29:24,480 --> 01:29:33,780
We, emphatically, oppose applicants request for a partial story, Pope Weber. The applicant is proposed a project that will radically transform Nardo in many ways.

956
01:29:33,780 --> 01:29:41,660
We walk by and drive on Nardo and the proposed project along Nardo is a wall of buildings that we believe block all existing views.

957
01:29:42,360 --> 01:29:48,000
We want to see all of the story poles so that as we walk by and drive we can see how the existing views are impacted.

958
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:14,280
Method, excuse me, the proposed alternatives to the time-tested method of storing pool do not have a clear pathway to providing anything that can be certified for accuracy to the level that we require for storing pools.

959
01:30:15,000 --> 01:30:25,700
Store pools are required to be certified for accuracy as to location the height by a license to serve air, whose license will be on the line to certify the accuracy of these alternatives.

960
01:30:28,530 --> 01:30:42,610
We urge the City Council to require the applicant to fully store the entire site for the full 30 days so that anyone who has an interest or who hears about the project and develops an interest, this project will impact the entire city.

961
01:30:43,110 --> 01:30:53,510
And we all have the right, not just the houses, but we have the right if it changes our view as we're along the street to say about it and the only way to do that is to see all of the story polls.

962
01:30:53,510 --> 01:30:59,790
To deny the immediate neighbors whose views will be impacted, the carefully crafted process

963
01:30:59,790 --> 01:31:04,610
that has been developed through the years by the citizens of Sloan Beach is just plain unfair.

964
01:31:05,450 --> 01:31:06,510
Thank you.

965
01:31:06,690 --> 01:31:06,990
Thank you.

966
01:31:07,510 --> 01:31:10,570
Next speaker, Eric Gettard.

967
01:31:18,350 --> 01:31:20,830
Good evening, Honorable Mayor and council members.

968
01:31:21,470 --> 01:31:25,070
My name is Eric Gettard and I live here in Sloan Beach for 18 years.

969
01:31:25,070 --> 01:31:30,790
I raise my family here, love this community, and that's why I'm here to, in fact,

970
01:31:30,890 --> 01:31:33,850
I suppose this waiver for this project.

971
01:31:36,080 --> 01:31:42,520
This waiver, if approved, will hope a profoundly dramatic discovery of this project, represented

972
01:31:42,520 --> 01:31:44,840
by the started polls, will tell, will show.

973
01:31:46,200 --> 01:31:48,640
And that's exactly why this waiver should be denied.

974
01:31:49,160 --> 01:31:54,500
We need to see how this grandiose project will impact our community, and I believe applicants

975
01:31:54,500 --> 01:31:59,360
should be required to put lights on top of these poles, as there is bound to be an increase in

976
01:31:59,360 --> 01:32:04,640
light pollution that will emanate from these buildings. When we remodeled our home on

977
01:32:04,640 --> 01:32:11,280
Solana Circle, we were required to have sorry poles installed with the heights certified by

978
01:32:11,280 --> 01:32:13,260
a surveyor at a great expense.

979
01:32:15,840 --> 01:32:18,800
Just think, this applicant is already attempting to skirt the

980
01:32:18,800 --> 01:32:25,920
first requirement for any proposed building project. It could lead one to conclude that

981
01:32:25,920 --> 01:32:29,700
This applicant does not have the best intent towards our community.

982
01:32:32,810 --> 01:32:36,970
With mandatory drought restrictions in place, any increase in

983
01:32:36,970 --> 01:32:41,130
the density of residential units is pure falling.

984
01:32:41,570 --> 01:32:44,410
By applying for this project, applicant is asking us,

985
01:32:44,530 --> 01:32:48,510
the citizens of Sloan Beach, the further curtail, or water usage,

986
01:32:49,010 --> 01:32:50,790
so thin can line their pockets.

987
01:32:51,430 --> 01:32:54,930
The fact that this project is even being considered is really

988
01:32:54,930 --> 01:32:55,810
moving to me.

989
01:32:56,270 --> 01:32:56,810
Thank you.

990
01:33:01,120 --> 01:33:07,620
Next speaker please. Next speaker is Jim Ratser and I do have several speaker slips for you.

991
01:33:07,720 --> 01:33:09,060
Would you like to speak as a group?

992
01:33:12,170 --> 01:33:16,570
So if two people at any time you have 15 minutes, is Gina Jacob's present?

993
01:33:17,350 --> 01:33:21,430
And also, Karen, good luck. Good luck. Thank you.

994
01:33:21,770 --> 01:33:22,630
All right, 15 minutes.

995
01:33:23,130 --> 01:33:27,010
Okay, I'm not going to take 15 minutes, just so you know, put up.

996
01:33:27,130 --> 01:33:30,170
My name is Jim Ratser. I live at 360 South Narrow.

997
01:33:30,170 --> 01:33:35,310
I'm here tonight to speak on behalf of my family along with other neighbors concerning the project.

998
01:33:35,810 --> 01:33:40,770
There's some of you know, I spent four years on view assessment, sitting on the view assessment committee.

999
01:33:41,670 --> 01:33:47,330
During the time I participated in numerous view assessment hearings, as part of that process, I visited many homes.

1000
01:33:47,950 --> 01:33:55,570
And we have to remember the genesis of a view claim is from the home, not from a parking lot with a blue dot painted on it.

1001
01:33:55,570 --> 01:34:01,330
I visited many homes where I stood in the primary view areas and evaluated view impairments.

1002
01:34:01,470 --> 01:34:08,630
I evaluated projects as small as a single residence addition to large projects, like the proposed

1003
01:34:08,630 --> 01:34:14,090
development of the land at the Gateway Hotel and the NCTD train station.

1004
01:34:16,410 --> 01:34:22,790
Understanding that there are public safety issues is important and we do understand the need

1005
01:34:22,790 --> 01:34:28,850
to take that into consideration, but we also recognize that these issues create a need to

1006
01:34:28,850 --> 01:34:33,650
balance safety with the interests of the citizens to have a fair opportunity to identify

1007
01:34:33,650 --> 01:34:34,870
view blockage.

1008
01:34:35,950 --> 01:34:42,630
And a primary point that came out in the presentation by the developer is there's 53 polls

1009
01:34:42,630 --> 01:34:46,670
that they want to waver for and for lift trucks.

1010
01:34:46,670 --> 01:34:54,430
So, they are not going to give an accurate representation at any one time of the entire project.

1011
01:34:54,990 --> 01:34:57,730
53 polls are missing for lift trucks.

1012
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:05,360
The post plan in the resolution is vague. It's my turn to the staff recommendations.

1013
01:35:08,780 --> 01:35:15,900
According to the recommendation, on two specified days, some of the 30% of the polls may be installed,

1014
01:35:16,180 --> 01:35:22,800
but only if a homeowner makes a request to have specific polls, well, shown by the lift truck.

1015
01:35:23,340 --> 01:35:31,360
And again, the genesis of a view claim is sitting or standing in somebody's residence, determining what the primary view is.

1016
01:35:31,380 --> 01:35:43,820
And then looking out at the project it's not I'm going to sit here and I'm going to run it and we're going to look for a pole with a flag on it and then I'm going to come go back over and have that the next pole with a flag on it set up.

1017
01:35:44,160 --> 01:35:53,120
It is it's not it's not a workable solution. It's not fair to the to the resident that is trying to evaluate whether they have view impairment.

1018
01:35:53,120 --> 01:35:58,120
If a request is made, then a single pole at a time will be put up by use of a lift crane

1019
01:35:58,120 --> 01:36:02,800
for a limited amount of time. When the pole is installed by the lift, then it is taking down

1020
01:36:02,800 --> 01:36:07,000
the next pole is installed. The homeowner must remember in their mind's eye to connect the line

1021
01:36:07,000 --> 01:36:13,180
between the tops of the two poles. There's no stringing between the poles. The lift operator will not

1022
01:36:13,180 --> 01:36:18,140
install string lines between the poles, and that's a problem. In order to make a request, every homeowner

1023
01:36:18,140 --> 01:36:22,460
We'll need to complete copy of the story pole plan.

1024
01:36:22,840 --> 01:36:27,080
They will need to understand how to interpret the story pole plan in order to identify

1025
01:36:27,080 --> 01:36:31,880
the specific pole number that they would like to see represented by a lift truck.

1026
01:36:32,560 --> 01:36:37,980
The purpose of the story pole requirement in the view ordinance is to place the burden on

1027
01:36:37,980 --> 01:36:42,880
the developer to provide full disclosure and notice to neighbors or others who may have

1028
01:36:42,880 --> 01:36:46,140
their view blocked by installing story poles.

1029
01:36:46,140 --> 01:36:56,260
The developer has the burden and responsibility under the ordinance to provide a fair representation of the proposed project, so the view impairment can be identified.

1030
01:36:57,020 --> 01:37:07,560
Under the ordinance, the developer bears the burden to provide notice by installing story poles, not the homeowner or occupant to determine which poles should be installed.

1031
01:37:07,560 --> 01:37:13,300
The proposed resolution, if adopted, would reverse that burden and place the burden on the home

1032
01:37:13,300 --> 01:37:19,040
order to review and understand the story pole plan, identify potential locations of view

1033
01:37:19,040 --> 01:37:24,680
impairment and make a request for the list to place one story pole at a time at the requested

1034
01:37:24,680 --> 01:37:25,300
location.

1035
01:37:25,580 --> 01:37:30,160
In addition, the temporary poles will not be placed up at the same time, or have connecting

1036
01:37:30,160 --> 01:37:31,780
strings or flags attached.

1037
01:37:31,780 --> 01:37:38,600
the proposed resolution also shifts the risk to the homeowner. Most homeowners do not

1038
01:37:38,600 --> 01:37:43,900
have training or experience evaluating a storypole plan. Without the benefit of storypoles,

1039
01:37:44,160 --> 01:37:48,620
the average homeowner will be at a severe disadvantage trying to determine which poles may

1040
01:37:48,620 --> 01:37:53,640
cause blockage and whether they have view impairment to the primary viewing area of their residence.

1041
01:37:53,740 --> 01:37:58,020
As a practical matter, the proposed resolution assumes that a storypole plan

1042
01:37:58,640 --> 01:38:03,000
begin to each person so they can go back to their home and try to figure out which polls

1043
01:38:03,000 --> 01:38:04,840
they should request to have installed.

1044
01:38:05,740 --> 01:38:09,920
Again, the genesis of a view assessment application is impairment to the view from the primary

1045
01:38:09,920 --> 01:38:12,100
viewing area of a residence or structure.

1046
01:38:12,620 --> 01:38:17,560
The fundamental issue is to observe the story polls from the primary viewing area.

1047
01:38:18,340 --> 01:38:21,380
Again, 54 polls missing, four lift trucks.

1048
01:38:22,940 --> 01:38:27,660
After four years on a view assessment committee, I can honestly say it is sometimes difficult

1049
01:38:27,660 --> 01:38:31,980
for me to determine what is depicted on a storypole plan in building plans when reviewing

1050
01:38:31,980 --> 01:38:33,420
the story poles from a distance.

1051
01:38:33,960 --> 01:38:40,280
Storypole plans can be difficult to interpret or to relate to the location of the actual poles.

1052
01:38:41,640 --> 01:38:45,040
The proposed plan does not comply with the requirements of the view ordinance.

1053
01:38:45,400 --> 01:38:50,760
Also, it is not consistent with the purpose of the view ordinance and it creates bad

1054
01:38:50,760 --> 01:38:54,620
for other projects, other largely large projects.

1055
01:38:57,450 --> 01:38:58,930
We are not being afforded a fair chance

1056
01:38:58,930 --> 01:39:02,150
to analyze the view impacts if we are forced to rely on incomplete

1057
01:39:02,150 --> 01:39:04,330
story poles or some other simulation.

1058
01:39:05,090 --> 01:39:06,950
Viewing all the story poles is essential.

1059
01:39:07,330 --> 01:39:10,550
Putting 30% of the poles up for only a few minutes or hours

1060
01:39:10,550 --> 01:39:13,230
for only two days of time is not fair

1061
01:39:13,230 --> 01:39:14,650
and violates the view ordinance.

1062
01:39:15,350 --> 01:39:17,850
Residents need to be allowed to experience the impact

1063
01:39:17,850 --> 01:39:21,950
of their views at different times of day over an extended period.

1064
01:39:22,570 --> 01:39:28,370
For example, lighting, and time of day, are important aspects of the

1065
01:39:28,370 --> 01:39:33,250
view assessment analysis, and I believe the toolbook talks about aesthetics of your view.

1066
01:39:34,850 --> 01:39:39,810
Models and computer simulations of story poles do not give a resonant, a fair analysis

1067
01:39:39,810 --> 01:39:40,910
of view issues.

1068
01:39:41,870 --> 01:39:49,370
When I was on view assessment, 3D model, any kind of computer-generated insertion of a building

1069
01:39:49,370 --> 01:39:55,930
envelope on a picture of somebody's view. It was never accurate compared to actually going out

1070
01:39:55,930 --> 01:39:59,970
and looking from the view from that primary viewing area at this-

1071
01:40:02,420 --> 01:40:07,160
That's what you need. You need to be able to stand there and see the outline of the entire structure.

1072
01:40:09,180 --> 01:40:09,260
If

1073
01:40:09,260 --> 01:40:14,480
3% of the polls are only up for a few hours over a couple of weekends, how will the View Assessment Committee

1074
01:40:14,480 --> 01:40:24,580
members analyze view issues? They cannot rely on models and photographs. The possibility that this project will not be fully

1075
01:40:24,580 --> 01:40:31,340
and for the required time period is not fair to the citizens potentially impacted by this development.

1076
01:40:31,900 --> 01:40:39,480
The proposal to place story poles for a limited time period and to allow residents to request placement of story poles

1077
01:40:39,480 --> 01:40:42,720
and poses an unreasonable burden and risk on the homeowner.

1078
01:40:43,080 --> 01:40:47,320
The only way to fairly analyze the view issues to stand in the primary view area of the residents

1079
01:40:47,320 --> 01:40:50,800
and look at the story poles, all the story poles.

1080
01:40:52,160 --> 01:40:55,380
My request tonight is that you not adopt the proposed resolution.

1081
01:40:55,860 --> 01:41:02,360
Instead, I would ask you to schedule a meeting or maybe workshops where you could invite affected neighbors,

1082
01:41:02,880 --> 01:41:08,760
the city manager, and the developer, so we can work together to arrive at a story-polling approach that is fair to everyone.

1083
01:41:10,000 --> 01:41:17,920
Or perhaps the workshop where residents will have the same opportunity to meet with Mr. Ott that the developer has had to meet with Mr. Ott.

1084
01:41:17,920 --> 01:41:25,060
So Mr. Otsu, we would have equal access to the city to talk about alternatives, a meeting

1085
01:41:25,060 --> 01:41:28,680
will allow the affected residents to develop for a city manager to go building by building

1086
01:41:28,680 --> 01:41:31,880
to determine how accommodations can be made for realistic polling.

1087
01:41:32,780 --> 01:41:37,460
For example, the NCTD train station project was to report without blocking drive lanes

1088
01:41:37,460 --> 01:41:38,800
and parking spaces.

1089
01:41:39,940 --> 01:41:44,520
Therefore, there are other ways to install polls on a temporary basis without using lifts or

1090
01:41:44,520 --> 01:41:49,260
I can drive lanes, you know, perhaps drilling and it's serving poles into drilled holes.

1091
01:41:49,760 --> 01:41:51,800
There's gotta be other ways to put up story poles.

1092
01:41:52,680 --> 01:41:56,220
A good example of the need for this approach is presented by buildings five and six.

1093
01:41:56,320 --> 01:41:56,980
Do I have a pointer?

1094
01:42:00,520 --> 01:42:01,240
Is this a pointer?

1095
01:42:02,460 --> 01:42:06,160
Okay, can you point for me? Five or six? They're right in the corner there, right?

1096
01:42:08,760 --> 01:42:10,600
These guys right here.

1097
01:42:10,600 --> 01:42:17,640
There are nine story polls on these two buildings and of the nine only three would go up.

1098
01:42:21,670 --> 01:42:26,310
Both buildings are likely to present significant issues for neighbors who have views over the site.

1099
01:42:26,570 --> 01:42:30,630
Neither building will be accurately represented by the proposed partial story poll setting.

1100
01:42:31,390 --> 01:42:35,970
Nine polls need for these buildings only three polls would be erected under the proposed plan.

1101
01:42:36,930 --> 01:42:39,570
Again, Mr. Out of apparently had meetings and discussions with the developer.

1102
01:42:39,570 --> 01:42:43,050
We merely asked for the same access and consideration.

1103
01:42:43,610 --> 01:42:47,490
Unfortunately, it's not possible to have the same type of back and forth discussion tonight.

1104
01:42:48,030 --> 01:42:53,850
And therefore, we simply asked for a meeting to get the same and equal consideration that the developer has already received.

1105
01:42:54,910 --> 01:42:55,790
Thank you.

1106
01:42:57,950 --> 01:42:58,870
Thank you, next speaker.

1107
01:43:00,230 --> 01:43:01,490
Thomas, ties.

1108
01:43:05,880 --> 01:43:06,500
Can you repeat the name?

1109
01:43:06,800 --> 01:43:07,300
Oh, here I come.

1110
01:43:07,460 --> 01:43:08,020
Thank you.

1111
01:43:08,340 --> 01:43:09,080
Thank you.

1112
01:43:09,600 --> 01:43:09,940
Thank you.

1113
01:43:12,350 --> 01:43:12,930
Thomas, ties.

1114
01:43:19,090 --> 01:43:20,430
I work every day.

1115
01:43:20,430 --> 01:43:27,410
with CAD drivers we call them, commuterated design, and we usually at least have 3 or 4 and

1116
01:43:27,410 --> 01:43:32,450
we do 3D models, and one of the proposals here is to have a computer model, a place of

1117
01:43:32,450 --> 01:43:37,090
the story, a pose, and use to have this a substitute, and when we present to customers the 3D

1118
01:43:37,090 --> 01:43:40,370
models and the assemblies, I mean there's spectacular, I don't want to work without them,

1119
01:43:41,130 --> 01:43:46,290
but there's always a lot of confusion with people, they don't see it, it's not the same

1120
01:43:46,290 --> 01:43:51,130
the real thing. For me it's different. I see it all the time. I see it every day. I can understand

1121
01:43:51,130 --> 01:43:56,850
it in my mind. Functions that way. But I think most of the people not to be offensive won't

1122
01:43:56,850 --> 01:44:02,510
won't get it from a 3D rendering. It won't work. So that covers CAD tools. They're great. It's a

1123
01:44:02,510 --> 01:44:09,150
great good augmentation. But it will not be a substitute for the story bowls. I took the time to

1124
01:44:09,150 --> 01:44:13,790
go ahead and call some story bowl companies today. And I also emailed back and forth information

1125
01:44:13,790 --> 01:44:18,310
on the particular project, they all had a very can-do attitude, and one of the things that

1126
01:44:18,310 --> 01:44:21,970
was stressed a lot in the staff report was the guywires and the problems of the guywires.

1127
01:44:23,030 --> 01:44:26,410
And they said, one of them, in particular, said that they've done instances where they've

1128
01:44:26,410 --> 01:44:30,250
had not the guywires, where the story poles were actually structural, it's more expensive,

1129
01:44:30,750 --> 01:44:31,470
but it can be done.

1130
01:44:31,570 --> 01:44:36,050
They used steel story poles, they sunk a man in concrete, jack hammered them out, and it looks

1131
01:44:36,050 --> 01:44:40,150
like when you look at the building at the bottom corner, I'll put you a lot of those

1132
01:44:40,150 --> 01:44:41,990
and a lot of those issues are guywire issues.

1133
01:44:43,150 --> 01:44:44,590
Right now we don't have the breakdown.

1134
01:44:45,350 --> 01:44:48,970
We got this dropped on us and we really don't have the detail information we're being stressed

1135
01:44:48,970 --> 01:44:53,910
that it's safety information but when you really report it does cover guide wires a lot.

1136
01:45:00,750 --> 01:45:13,170
As far as the precedence, I think the sense that the precedence for future applications, developers are learning that with these density bond, these bonuses that are available, cities that they can make money off of.

1137
01:45:13,350 --> 01:45:20,910
And we have other apartment complexes in here, and it's possible that this precedence will be used in those good apartment complexes.

1138
01:45:22,770 --> 01:45:24,810
And finally, and I said it before,

1139
01:45:27,590 --> 01:45:29,930
is a little disappointed to be being ambushed on this so quickly.

1140
01:45:30,770 --> 01:45:32,710
There's been no significant community involvement.

1141
01:45:32,950 --> 01:45:36,390
We basically found out about this where being told that has to be approved tonight.

1142
01:45:36,710 --> 01:45:38,070
I recommend it not be approved.

1143
01:45:39,850 --> 01:45:40,810
Thank you.

1144
01:45:41,030 --> 01:45:41,370
Thank you.

1145
01:45:41,530 --> 01:45:41,970
Next speaker.

1146
01:45:42,390 --> 01:45:43,070
Michael Davidson.

1147
01:45:53,000 --> 01:45:54,900
Thanks for hearing us.

1148
01:45:54,900 --> 01:46:00,380
I live at 720 Sun Resistory, which is very close to the Sloan Highlands development.

1149
01:46:01,460 --> 01:46:07,460
My daughter-in-law and her baby lived in Sloan Highlands, and she lives on a modest income

1150
01:46:07,460 --> 01:46:08,660
working at a local grocery.

1151
01:46:09,820 --> 01:46:16,280
Sloan Highlands is affordable, close to grandparents' babysitters, and schools and miracle

1152
01:46:16,280 --> 01:46:19,220
of miracles since she doesn't drive, she can walk to work.

1153
01:46:19,220 --> 01:46:25,360
This proposed expansion would, of course, evict her and 1952 other families and individuals

1154
01:46:25,820 --> 01:46:30,940
who can ill afford to live in North County and who will find have to find housing elsewhere.

1155
01:46:31,720 --> 01:46:37,820
I think that the interruptions and inconveniences described by the applicant, by story poles,

1156
01:46:38,040 --> 01:46:44,160
are nothing compared to the inconvenience of so many people having to find housing after being

1157
01:46:44,160 --> 01:46:45,580
convicted by this project.

1158
01:46:46,960 --> 01:46:57,180
As a homeowner in Sloan of Beach since 1985, I'm really glad to live in a town that has

1159
01:46:57,180 --> 01:47:03,380
resisted attempts to turn Sloan of Beach into a strip mall, a commercial venue, a big

1160
01:47:03,380 --> 01:47:04,420
box or a McMansion.

1161
01:47:05,240 --> 01:47:13,580
The applicant's proposed expansion of Sloan of Highlands is way out of proportion to the

1162
01:47:13,580 --> 01:47:18,940
attempt to prevent the public from seeing how out of proportion the expansion is. Many of my

1163
01:47:18,940 --> 01:47:22,780
neighbors have talked about the fact that a photoshopped idealized rendering on paper,

1164
01:47:23,160 --> 01:47:28,500
on a PowerPoint is hardly the same thing as on-site story poles that give an accurate sense

1165
01:47:28,500 --> 01:47:35,960
of scale, density, and height. We've heard a lot about how much this project would impact

1166
01:47:35,960 --> 01:47:42,880
traffic on Nargo, joining streets, housing values, and so forth, but to me, what's really

1167
01:47:42,880 --> 01:47:47,180
most significant here is that it would eliminate a significant low-income housing project

1168
01:47:47,180 --> 01:47:52,440
in the area, making Solana Beach unlivable for a large class of people who contribute to

1169
01:47:52,440 --> 01:47:57,260
the local economy and the cultural diversity of the region, evicting this population and

1170
01:47:57,260 --> 01:48:02,100
erecting new buildings at much higher rents is hardly the civic vision I've had for

1171
01:48:02,100 --> 01:48:07,760
town and I hope it's not the vision that you have for the city's future. Thank you.

1172
01:48:07,860 --> 01:48:11,420
Thank you. Next speaker, Lisa Levin.

1173
01:48:17,680 --> 01:48:21,300
Hi, I'm a 23-year resident of Solana Beach and I live

1174
01:48:21,300 --> 01:48:29,620
on South Nardo and I would like to voice my opposition of the story poll waiver and really just say

1175
01:48:29,620 --> 01:48:36,780
I'm not a 100% sure but it looked to me like a very large fraction of those 54 story polls

1176
01:48:37,100 --> 01:48:40,760
sit on the very highest part of the development.

1177
01:48:41,000 --> 01:48:44,000
We were shown a map earlier that showed the highest grades.

1178
01:48:44,540 --> 01:48:50,320
And I would like to know what fraction of those missing poles are the very high part of

1179
01:48:50,320 --> 01:48:51,000
this development.

1180
01:48:51,120 --> 01:49:00,640
But I have a sense that, well, the request is to weigh 30 percent of the poles, I suspect that

1181
01:49:00,640 --> 01:49:09,740
would be losing 75% of the height and impression of what the development will actually look

1182
01:49:09,740 --> 01:49:10,100
like.

1183
01:49:10,860 --> 01:49:17,200
So, I'm not 100% sure, but many of those yellow poles sat on the very high parts that are

1184
01:49:17,200 --> 01:49:21,780
above the current development level, because that's the point I'm trying to make.

1185
01:49:22,700 --> 01:49:27,540
So, I think that we need all the story poles to really see what this is going to look like.

1186
01:49:27,700 --> 01:49:28,320
Thank you.

1187
01:49:28,900 --> 01:49:30,560
Thank you very much.

1188
01:49:31,140 --> 01:49:31,500
Okay.

1189
01:49:32,100 --> 01:49:37,480
The developer, the applicant, has nine minutes and 33 seconds to respond to anything they

1190
01:49:37,480 --> 01:49:37,940
would like.

1191
01:49:38,060 --> 01:49:41,120
I'm sure the council might have some questions for you.

1192
01:49:41,380 --> 01:49:41,620
All right.

1193
01:49:42,040 --> 01:49:42,900
Come on up, Mike.

1194
01:49:46,150 --> 01:49:51,590
Well first, what you've heard tonight is the reason that we had hope this would come before

1195
01:49:51,590 --> 01:49:51,870
here.

1196
01:49:52,130 --> 01:49:54,670
We do care what our impact is.

1197
01:49:55,510 --> 01:49:56,390
We're going to be in the community.

1198
01:49:56,590 --> 01:49:57,970
We've been in the community a long time.

1199
01:49:58,130 --> 01:49:59,730
We're going to be in the community a long time.

1200
01:49:59,730 --> 01:49:59,970
Thanks for watching, and don't forget to like, share, and subscribe to our channel.

1201
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:11,680
And so it's important to hear the different perspectives. The gentleman that came up and talked about his daughter, living in our community. We're very pleased that he is grateful that she lives there.

1202
01:50:12,260 --> 01:50:18,000
It's one of the reasons we want to face the project so that we can move people around as we build the project and we don't kick everybody out.

1203
01:50:19,000 --> 01:50:22,780
And so it's that kind of sensitivity by which we're approaching this.

1204
01:50:24,000 --> 01:50:29,800
We've looked at many alternatives to try to install all the story poles.

1205
01:50:31,520 --> 01:50:33,220
There are some significant challenges.

1206
01:50:33,960 --> 01:50:36,340
There's a group from the community that wants to get together.

1207
01:50:36,560 --> 01:50:37,620
We're happy to meet with anybody.

1208
01:50:37,860 --> 01:50:40,180
We've been very open to had community workshops on what not.

1209
01:50:41,600 --> 01:50:46,340
Maybe there is an idea out there that we haven't thought of, but we have thought of a lot of them.

1210
01:50:47,040 --> 01:50:49,140
So we're open to the council questions.

1211
01:50:49,560 --> 01:50:51,240
We want a good solution that works for everybody.

1212
01:50:52,880 --> 01:50:58,260
Okay, I'm going to start with some questions and I'll have anything to say, John, no, okay.

1213
01:50:59,280 --> 01:51:02,880
So about the trees, are they all diseased or are they all coming down?

1214
01:51:04,600 --> 01:51:07,240
So I'm not aware that all the trees being diseased.

1215
01:51:07,280 --> 01:51:12,320
We do have trees that have disease, we've had to do a lot of things with trees and we've had

1216
01:51:12,320 --> 01:51:13,420
to take trees down.

1217
01:51:13,840 --> 01:51:18,440
We also haven't determined that all the trees have to come down, we're working with staff

1218
01:51:18,440 --> 01:51:22,380
to identify which trees can stay, which ones have to come out,

1219
01:51:22,500 --> 01:51:24,920
grading-wise. It's one of the comments we've got from the community

1220
01:51:24,920 --> 01:51:26,940
and that, oh, call that still in flux.

1221
01:51:27,460 --> 01:51:27,940
Okay.

1222
01:51:30,600 --> 01:51:36,140
But see, one way to story poll that was suggested was to have everybody move out.

1223
01:51:36,200 --> 01:51:38,500
This might be a question actually for the city attorney.

1224
01:51:42,500 --> 01:51:49,280
There are constitutional limitations. One of which is that if it is a government action

1225
01:51:49,280 --> 01:51:52,780
that requires the displacement of individuals from their home,

1226
01:51:53,000 --> 01:51:56,360
the government is going to have to pay for their relocation phase.

1227
01:51:57,420 --> 01:52:02,200
So the city of Solana Beach would have to pay to move everybody out

1228
01:52:02,200 --> 01:52:05,940
in order for a 40-day period in order to erect all of the story polls.

1229
01:52:06,320 --> 01:52:06,780
That's correct.

1230
01:52:07,440 --> 01:52:08,960
How much monthly rent do you get?

1231
01:52:10,020 --> 01:52:12,060
Quite a bit, I don't know, that number off top of that.

1232
01:52:12,840 --> 01:52:13,700
All right.

1233
01:52:14,140 --> 01:52:17,760
If to the city attorney and perhaps city manager or story polling,

1234
01:52:17,760 --> 01:52:20,820
This view process is just revenue to the city.

1235
01:52:24,990 --> 01:52:27,930
You consciously subsidized the view process.

1236
01:52:28,530 --> 01:52:29,910
So there's not a revenue at all.

1237
01:52:29,910 --> 01:52:31,370
In fact, it's a negative to the city.

1238
01:52:31,550 --> 01:52:32,070
It's a negative.

1239
01:52:32,410 --> 01:52:37,430
You've done lots of few studies and every time when the cost is actually shown to you,

1240
01:52:38,750 --> 01:52:43,070
you have, you know, the last, you cut it because you want everybody to be able to participate.

1241
01:52:43,710 --> 01:52:45,250
So it's heavily subsidized.

1242
01:52:46,010 --> 01:52:46,530
Okay.

1243
01:52:46,530 --> 01:52:57,010
Let's see, what percentage of the polls are safety related, are ingress egress related,

1244
01:52:57,790 --> 01:53:00,070
are poll related and are gaiwire related.

1245
01:53:00,890 --> 01:53:07,170
So we might need a few people answering that, I don't know if anybody have the answer

1246
01:53:07,170 --> 01:53:07,970
to that yet.

1247
01:53:09,010 --> 01:53:15,410
Any of the polls that are yellow, whether it's the poll that's sitting in the dryvile or whether

1248
01:53:15,410 --> 01:53:19,830
It's the guy wires that are supporting the pole, the blocking drive-outs, so people moving.

1249
01:53:19,890 --> 01:53:25,610
But after yellow poles, what are due to public safety and what are due just to

1250
01:53:25,610 --> 01:53:26,370
ingress egress?

1251
01:53:27,290 --> 01:53:31,850
Well, the public safety component was that the fire trucks and emergency vehicles could not

1252
01:53:31,850 --> 01:53:33,050
move in and out the site.

1253
01:53:33,350 --> 01:53:36,910
So if there was any blockage of it, go ahead and let me know.

1254
01:53:37,510 --> 01:53:39,570
And with the fire chief who just showed it right there, so.

1255
01:53:39,570 --> 01:53:39,750
Okay.

1256
01:53:40,610 --> 01:53:44,910
So if the term has been kind of blown together, ingress egress is the public safety.

1257
01:53:44,910 --> 01:53:48,490
the public says. So the other issue is parking. There's ingress egress to the residents too,

1258
01:53:48,550 --> 01:53:53,710
but that's secondary. Egress egress to law and eems.

1259
01:53:53,810 --> 01:54:01,610
Okay, so can we break it down a little bit? Can we get any more polls up there? How many parking spaces

1260
01:54:01,610 --> 01:54:09,870
will we lose if we get three more polls, twenty more polls? If we could relocate a few parking spaces,

1261
01:54:09,870 --> 01:54:11,310
We have any of that information.

1262
01:54:11,930 --> 01:54:19,630
But what we could do is you direct that and we'll look at as many as we came without effect in public safety and we're going with fire chief and fire Marshall.

1263
01:54:20,030 --> 01:54:20,870
Okay, so anything to say?

1264
01:54:21,670 --> 01:54:22,650
Good evening council.

1265
01:54:22,870 --> 01:54:23,910
My day goes on Beach Fire.

1266
01:54:24,550 --> 01:54:30,690
I had the opportunity to walk the property for several hours along with the fire Marshall's been out there several times.

1267
01:54:31,390 --> 01:54:39,170
And what you're seeing up there with the yellow poles or the yellow dots indicating the poles or the ones that do need to be.

1268
01:54:39,170 --> 01:54:43,050
have a different option rather than the fixed poll.

1269
01:54:44,270 --> 01:54:49,010
When we talk ingress, egress, access, it's the same as public safety.

1270
01:54:49,790 --> 01:54:51,690
In order for us to be able to respond,

1271
01:54:52,470 --> 01:54:55,230
we need to have those polls a different option than a...

1272
01:54:55,230 --> 01:54:56,710
Is it the polls or the guy wires?

1273
01:54:57,630 --> 01:54:59,970
It was actually both in that...

1274
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:18,480
We were looking at it as a combination. This is where the poll is, this is where the guide wire is. So if they were to come up with a different option, other than a poll with a guide wire, we could go back out to the site, we could walk it again and look at if having a different option besides guide wires might open up.

1275
01:55:18,660 --> 01:55:21,400
Okay, so drilling possibly for more polls to be.

1276
01:55:21,480 --> 01:55:28,100
Do you have any idea? I'm not going to hold you up, not off the top of my head, but I'm sure there would be some, but I can't give you a number.

1277
01:55:28,100 --> 01:55:34,640
Okay, all right. Thank you and just as far as closer I was filled there and I brought up this structural

1278
01:55:35,680 --> 01:55:40,880
We'd like and I went back and forth. We tried every you know then I brought up the fact that you could drill and you

1279
01:55:40,880 --> 01:55:44,800
either steal you know steel tell helpful and polls different things

1280
01:55:44,800 --> 01:55:49,060
Everything that there's there's a worth quick issues with that. So so I don't know if the support pole person

1281
01:55:49,060 --> 01:55:54,420
We willing to take the liability of that, but that's that's just one of the issues that I thought I had the perfect solution

1282
01:55:55,780 --> 01:55:56,180
So

1283
01:55:56,180 --> 01:55:59,560
If there's any shakes, if you don't have it, that's why you have sheer walls.

1284
01:56:00,180 --> 01:56:00,800
That's all.

1285
01:56:01,380 --> 01:56:02,700
Okay, we'll get to that one.

1286
01:56:03,420 --> 01:56:03,520
Thank you.

1287
01:56:04,300 --> 01:56:04,740
Okay.

1288
01:56:07,320 --> 01:56:08,500
Why is this exam from Sequo?

1289
01:56:10,420 --> 01:56:11,260
Well, a couple of things.

1290
01:56:12,040 --> 01:56:16,800
I think, and later on after the questions, I would like to address another letter that the council received.

1291
01:56:17,160 --> 01:56:18,880
One of the few things is the project itself.

1292
01:56:19,040 --> 01:56:20,580
It's not exempt from Sequo.

1293
01:56:20,860 --> 01:56:25,980
In fact, the EIRs already in process to evaluate what environmental impacts.

1294
01:56:25,980 --> 01:56:32,300
physical impacts are going to be subject to right now one of the things that's interesting

1295
01:56:32,300 --> 01:56:37,840
is what they're saying is that the absence of the story poles is a project under

1296
01:56:37,840 --> 01:56:43,920
sequence the absence of the story poles means there's no physical impact because nothing

1297
01:56:43,920 --> 01:56:49,260
is going to be erected so if there's an even need a definition of a project under

1298
01:56:49,260 --> 01:56:55,200
of SQL in addition, the story poles are being put up as an information gathering as part

1299
01:56:55,200 --> 01:56:56,180
of the EIR process.

1300
01:56:56,320 --> 01:56:57,300
So they're data collecting.

1301
01:56:57,960 --> 01:57:03,000
So the story poles that are going to be put up and alternative in fact being a project

1302
01:57:03,000 --> 01:57:09,260
under SQL, it's exempt under SQL under section 15306 because it is part of data collection

1303
01:57:09,260 --> 01:57:11,240
for any potential visual impacts.

1304
01:57:12,080 --> 01:57:17,360
Okay, what about the water issues that were brought up, the additional units are going to

1305
01:57:17,360 --> 01:57:23,720
require more water and have us, oh, Mike, can you, Mike, did you want to speak to this

1306
01:57:23,720 --> 01:57:24,160
issue?

1307
01:57:24,480 --> 01:57:25,200
I'm sorry, I'm moving on.

1308
01:57:25,600 --> 01:57:26,640
Okay, go ahead.

1309
01:57:26,780 --> 01:57:31,600
One of the things that we've informed the applicant, if it were to be approved with the

1310
01:57:31,600 --> 01:57:35,320
conditions, if the staff would be recommending to bring the recycling of water line that's

1311
01:57:35,320 --> 01:57:40,580
down on Stevens, up to their project and to build use for all the irrigation that currently

1312
01:57:40,580 --> 01:57:43,720
is not there now and another type of use is so.

1313
01:57:43,720 --> 01:57:53,120
Okay. And the notice issue that this came up very quickly, I think it needs to be point out.

1314
01:57:53,280 --> 01:57:58,820
The fact is this was noticed three times as much as what our regulation requires.

1315
01:57:59,000 --> 01:58:02,420
This was noticed a thousand feet instead of the required 300 feet.

1316
01:58:02,900 --> 01:58:06,740
So there were notice that above and beyond what is the legal requirement.

1317
01:58:06,780 --> 01:58:08,380
And what about the time?

1318
01:58:09,160 --> 01:58:11,060
Is it one week notice two weeks notice?

1319
01:58:11,060 --> 01:58:19,880
The only requirement for government action is 72 hours, and it wants you to go out, wouldn't the noticing go out?

1320
01:58:25,330 --> 01:58:32,050
It was less Monday, or the end of the week before, we couldn't find that out.

1321
01:58:32,690 --> 01:58:36,270
So the legal notice you're saying is 72 hours, but we gave it like 10 days to you.

1322
01:58:36,390 --> 01:58:40,670
In addition to the physical notice, they received this was actually in the paper too.

1323
01:58:41,630 --> 01:58:42,610
For those of us who read the paper.

1324
01:58:42,610 --> 01:58:43,030
Yes.

1325
01:58:43,270 --> 01:58:46,710
For those that still read the paper, there was actually publication notice.

1326
01:58:48,790 --> 01:58:49,070
Okay.

1327
01:58:49,150 --> 01:58:54,650
There are some other things mentioned that aren't really questions, but we might get to in

1328
01:58:54,650 --> 01:58:55,050
discussions.

1329
01:58:55,850 --> 01:58:57,190
So that's all I have for notices.

1330
01:58:57,590 --> 01:58:58,490
I'll turn it over to the rest of the council.

1331
01:58:58,590 --> 01:58:59,630
Mr. Nichols, you're up next.

1332
01:59:01,390 --> 01:59:01,530
Good.

1333
01:59:01,530 --> 01:59:01,570
Good.

1334
01:59:01,990 --> 01:59:02,190
Good.

1335
01:59:02,330 --> 01:59:02,390
Good work.

1336
01:59:02,830 --> 01:59:03,590
Good for now.

1337
01:59:05,290 --> 01:59:06,370
And this was to the applicant.

1338
01:59:07,050 --> 01:59:09,270
And I hate to say it, but it's just, it's kind of one of those things that I'm sitting here

1339
01:59:09,270 --> 01:59:14,450
thinking about, because being in the design profession as well, you know, I'm thinking of myself

1340
01:59:14,450 --> 01:59:17,850
while I'm here, and it's like, I heard tonight for the first time that you didn't realize

1341
01:59:17,850 --> 01:59:21,250
that the polls are going to be a problem, so you actually went out there and painted the

1342
01:59:21,250 --> 01:59:26,370
marks where the polls were going to be, and how could that, you know that that's a process

1343
01:59:26,370 --> 01:59:30,790
here in the city, and you have an architect who works in the city so much, how could you

1344
01:59:30,790 --> 01:59:34,410
not think that this was going to be a problem during the initial design?

1345
01:59:38,090 --> 01:59:43,270
No excuse, we until they were physically in the locations they were and we saw the magnitude

1346
01:59:43,270 --> 01:59:49,150
of the impact, as opposed to on paper, but in reality, that's when we realized that we

1347
01:59:49,150 --> 01:59:50,990
had a true fire department issue.

1348
01:59:51,390 --> 01:59:56,430
So once you realize that you had an issue with the polling, whether any discussions amongst

1349
01:59:56,430 --> 01:59:59,970
the design team about how to maybe change the design to better economy.

1350
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:03,380
How many existing conditions in order to achieve a better polling?

1351
02:00:05,760 --> 02:00:15,660
No, we focus. We'd continue to focus on the quality of the design of the project, as it would finish, as opposed to move buildings around, so that they were out of current driveways.

1352
02:00:17,080 --> 02:00:29,420
Okay, so that's something to think about. Another question I had was about the polling itself with the structural, it is acceptable to overly estimate the size of the structure.

1353
02:00:29,420 --> 02:00:34,140
correct. It doesn't have to necessarily be. Yeah, that was a dozen. That was one of my suggestions

1354
02:00:34,140 --> 02:00:40,280
to over exaggerate it. So if you were to over exaggerate it, I mean, span that driveway

1355
02:00:40,280 --> 02:00:46,160
with poles outside of it and then with a steel wire perhaps have indicators that come down

1356
02:00:46,160 --> 02:00:50,560
off that wire that identify the corners of the buildings. Have you looked into how that would

1357
02:00:50,560 --> 02:00:58,140
alleviate all the issues that you have now? Could you could you do that and maybe take all those

1358
02:00:58,140 --> 02:01:04,340
in turn green? All the others in turn green, we don't think so, in the case of that particular

1359
02:01:04,340 --> 02:01:10,600
location, you could put poles further out. The why the poles would have to be much taller

1360
02:01:10,600 --> 02:01:19,820
is a fire truck, I think, is 14 feet. Those poles are only 12, 7 and 12, 9, so the poles

1361
02:01:19,820 --> 02:01:24,660
will have to be much taller than would be location that why I would have to be very high

1362
02:01:24,660 --> 02:01:27,640
and then you'd have to come over and drop down in flag.

1363
02:01:28,200 --> 02:01:29,120
So that's possible.

1364
02:01:29,400 --> 02:01:31,880
It might over exaggerate from a distance

1365
02:01:31,880 --> 02:01:34,800
because people might pick up the poll and say,

1366
02:01:35,480 --> 02:01:36,820
so it is possible.

1367
02:01:36,940 --> 02:01:39,060
It's not perfect, but it's better, maybe.

1368
02:01:39,540 --> 02:01:39,860
It's possible.

1369
02:01:40,780 --> 02:01:43,300
And then the third question is,

1370
02:01:43,300 --> 02:01:46,260
has there been any estimation on the amount of time

1371
02:01:46,260 --> 02:01:48,580
it would take to set up the crane,

1372
02:01:48,840 --> 02:01:50,060
certify it's height,

1373
02:01:51,240 --> 02:01:54,480
not including time to actually visually inspect it.

1374
02:01:54,660 --> 02:01:57,900
but then break the crane down and then move it to the next spot.

1375
02:01:58,640 --> 02:02:00,700
How much time will that take to move to do,

1376
02:02:00,740 --> 02:02:04,700
let's say, move from one pole, set up finish to the next pole.

1377
02:02:04,960 --> 02:02:06,400
It'll vary depending on the height.

1378
02:02:06,740 --> 02:02:08,960
The lower the poles, the quicker that will occur,

1379
02:02:09,620 --> 02:02:11,920
the taller the poles that will take longer.

1380
02:02:12,680 --> 02:02:15,260
Because you're looking at, I mean, as proposed,

1381
02:02:15,440 --> 02:02:17,180
it would be quite a large number of poles.

1382
02:02:17,800 --> 02:02:18,940
And, I mean, I'm sitting up here thinking,

1383
02:02:19,840 --> 02:02:23,600
set it up, certify it, look at it,

1384
02:02:23,600 --> 02:02:28,400
get down, move it. It's got to be 30, 45 minutes. Maybe an hour per poll because people actually

1385
02:02:28,400 --> 02:02:33,420
have to go to their house and then look and then come back and talk and we're talking more

1386
02:02:33,420 --> 02:02:39,540
than two days just to do the initial analysis. If it takes more than two days, we'll do more

1387
02:02:39,540 --> 02:02:43,860
than two days. Of course, but it's been presented that it's only going to take two days, so

1388
02:02:43,860 --> 02:02:46,900
it makes me think that it really hasn't been thought out that much, I guess, at the point.

1389
02:02:49,200 --> 02:02:53,400
While we've we've practiced it in the field, we've done a couple of locations, we think

1390
02:02:53,400 --> 02:02:55,940
we can cover with four lists, a lot of ground in two days.

1391
02:02:56,020 --> 02:02:57,580
If we're wrong, we'll do more.

1392
02:02:57,980 --> 02:03:00,620
It's not like we haven't done any of it in the field

1393
02:03:00,620 --> 02:03:01,660
to see what's practical.

1394
02:03:02,700 --> 02:03:04,140
OK, thank you.

1395
02:03:04,700 --> 02:03:07,220
OK, couple, one other question that I came up with that I

1396
02:03:07,220 --> 02:03:13,380
saw that I had was moving all of the parking,

1397
02:03:13,900 --> 02:03:14,560
well, that doesn't make any sense.

1398
02:03:14,600 --> 02:03:16,040
To move everybody down to St. James,

1399
02:03:16,120 --> 02:03:17,920
because we still have this public safety issues, right?

1400
02:03:17,960 --> 02:03:18,920
We can't do that.

1401
02:03:19,880 --> 02:03:20,280
All right.

1402
02:03:21,320 --> 02:03:22,400
I think that's all.

1403
02:03:22,400 --> 02:03:28,460
I do want the city attorney to talk what she was, to mention what she was going to, which is the letter that came into us.

1404
02:03:28,880 --> 02:03:35,880
Yes, late this afternoon, the city received a letter from an attorney from Loundsbury, Ferguson, Alton, and Peek.

1405
02:03:36,360 --> 02:03:48,760
Mr. Felix Tinkov did not specify who his client was, but in fact asserted that there's some procedural defect that would constitute that would require the Council to deny this application.

1406
02:03:48,760 --> 02:03:54,740
So I want to address a couple of those things, one of which is that Mr. Tinkoff wrongly assumed

1407
02:03:54,740 --> 02:03:59,960
that the only person that have authority to actually waive story polls is the community

1408
02:03:59,960 --> 02:04:05,400
development director, and the community development director may be appealed to the VAC.

1409
02:04:06,320 --> 02:04:11,520
The VAC is a subordinate body by the council. And in fact, in this particular project,

1410
02:04:13,480 --> 02:04:18,200
analysis is only a recommendation to the council. The council is the ultimate decision body

1411
02:04:18,200 --> 02:04:28,600
in this case. Moreover, in our own ordinances, specifically 17.7255, the director may refer

1412
02:04:28,600 --> 02:04:33,940
any items to the city council under which the city council will have the original hearing

1413
02:04:33,940 --> 02:04:40,460
authority. So to answer Mr. Tinkov's point, yes, you have authority to hear this. The other

1414
02:04:40,460 --> 02:04:47,140
The other thing that was mentioned is that in Sir Tinkov argued that Siqua is an issue.

1415
02:04:47,380 --> 02:04:50,780
And I think that answers that question in terms of it is not a project.

1416
02:04:51,180 --> 02:04:57,660
And even if it is a project that is exempt under Siqua, there's assertions that by doing this

1417
02:04:57,660 --> 02:04:59,960
by a way of public hearing do

1418
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:07,100
We noticed, over-noticed, as some people may have pointed out, that somehow it is depriving the public,

1419
02:05:07,600 --> 02:05:10,000
their due process rights because they're not being heard.

1420
02:05:10,440 --> 02:05:15,940
I think on its face, it falls short, because the whole point of having a public hearing

1421
02:05:15,940 --> 02:05:21,000
before the city council asks you experience tonight is that the public came out and spoke

1422
02:05:21,000 --> 02:05:29,020
about their opinions as to what is before you, which is the polls not being able to be completely

1423
02:05:29,020 --> 02:05:36,740
laid out as design. One of the things I think is also mentioned in Mr. Tinkov's letter

1424
02:05:36,740 --> 02:05:43,420
is that nowhere, the council, as I mentioned, there's constitutional right

1425
02:05:43,420 --> 02:05:48,740
protection. And part of that is that the applicant made a request. We can't say to

1426
02:05:48,740 --> 02:05:53,660
the applicant, guess what, you're not going to get your request hurt. So that's why we're here.

1427
02:05:53,660 --> 02:05:57,060
They made a request to request was to you, it's been heard.

1428
02:05:58,900 --> 02:06:04,380
The couple of things that were actually mentioned during the public hearing was that what

1429
02:06:04,380 --> 02:06:11,340
is the presidential value of the council waving portions of the story pole requirement in

1430
02:06:11,340 --> 02:06:12,220
this particular case?

1431
02:06:12,680 --> 02:06:18,120
Again, they're not waving it in this particular case through entertaining alternatives because

1432
02:06:18,120 --> 02:06:24,320
it's impossible to put all the story poles the way it was originally laid out because of

1433
02:06:24,320 --> 02:06:28,620
the current condition that exists at the project site.

1434
02:06:30,060 --> 02:06:35,280
There's constitutional protection in place that says, look, council, you have the police

1435
02:06:35,280 --> 02:06:42,040
power to actually provide and entertain alternatives if there is no feasible way to get it done

1436
02:06:42,040 --> 02:06:45,740
and that's what you have before you are request to consider alternatives.

1437
02:06:45,740 --> 02:06:48,620
The presidential value, there isn't any.

1438
02:06:48,820 --> 02:06:50,900
You've heard me say it over and over before.

1439
02:06:51,200 --> 02:06:55,040
Each project is evaluated based on that project's merit.

1440
02:06:55,520 --> 02:06:58,820
In this case, if there's any other site in the city

1441
02:06:58,820 --> 02:07:02,380
that has 404, 404, some residents

1442
02:07:02,380 --> 02:07:05,040
that will have public safety issues

1443
02:07:05,040 --> 02:07:08,380
because of the location of the guy wires,

1444
02:07:08,720 --> 02:07:09,920
the story pole installations.

1445
02:07:10,280 --> 02:07:12,640
Then by all means, maybe you can look at it,

1446
02:07:12,640 --> 02:07:21,500
But this project is being evaluated on its own merits based on the opinion of staff and the public safety individuals.

1447
02:07:23,520 --> 02:07:30,700
We also have this issue of, I think we touched upon it earlier, well, just have everybody move out.

1448
02:07:31,380 --> 02:07:39,320
Or, or an alternative, well, they just have to suck it up and put up the whole thing.

1449
02:07:40,040 --> 02:07:44,600
There's yet another, it's one of those legal concepts, there's constitutional issues that you cannot

1450
02:07:44,600 --> 02:07:47,420
deprive somebody, the ability to actually develop something.

1451
02:07:47,820 --> 02:07:54,320
And in this case, the code, as specified in the resolution, there are practical or impossibility

1452
02:07:54,320 --> 02:08:01,320
that exists based on specific conditions on the site that requires for counsel and to entertain alternatives.

1453
02:08:01,800 --> 02:08:03,300
And I'm available for any questions.

1454
02:08:03,300 --> 02:08:17,140
So, some people have suggested that one way to kill this project is just to tell them they can't put up their story poles and then they can't build and so that's, you know, we're done with that, can you please address that?

1455
02:08:17,420 --> 02:08:26,200
That will pose legal challenges for the Council because I, as I mentioned, there's constitutional principles that the Council needs to consider.

1456
02:08:26,200 --> 02:08:37,000
One of which is if theirs in possibility or in practicality or public safety in this particular case that prevents them for putting or meeting our requirements,

1457
02:08:37,960 --> 02:08:43,300
then the council based on state law and the constitutional principle will have to entertain alternatives.

1458
02:08:44,460 --> 02:08:52,160
So if that is the case then we need to make findings under record very clear why the decision the council is going to reach is one way the other.

1459
02:08:52,160 --> 02:08:56,540
Okay, all righty. Okay, so it's not time for council disclosures.

1460
02:08:57,560 --> 02:09:03,040
I have met with the applicants, a couple of times, over the past, probably a couple of years.

1461
02:09:04,020 --> 02:09:07,060
I have read many letters from many of you in e-mails.

1462
02:09:08,160 --> 02:09:14,480
I've not spoken to any individuals personally yet about this project or the story poll waiver.

1463
02:09:14,980 --> 02:09:15,560
Mr. Zito.

1464
02:09:19,440 --> 02:09:21,200
Okay, so I'm familiar with the project.

1465
02:09:21,200 --> 02:09:27,700
So obviously I did attend the EIR Scoping Meeting and made some comments that I'm meeting

1466
02:09:27,700 --> 02:09:32,200
about how the process works and talked to some individuals about the project and heard

1467
02:09:32,200 --> 02:09:32,820
their concerns.

1468
02:09:33,600 --> 02:09:37,500
And I've received many other numerous concerns from residents about the project.

1469
02:09:37,520 --> 02:09:38,980
I have not spoken with the developer.

1470
02:09:39,920 --> 02:09:40,600
Mr. Nichols?

1471
02:09:41,780 --> 02:09:45,920
I have had several meetings with the developer, of course, of, I don't know, maybe three

1472
02:09:45,920 --> 02:09:51,180
years or plus or minus, talking about how they're ambitions to do this.

1473
02:09:51,180 --> 02:09:57,160
project and have familiar with site, have not spoken directly within you, the residents

1474
02:09:57,160 --> 02:09:59,220
and nearby other than regular letters.

1475
02:10:01,840 --> 02:10:13,700
I have not the privilege of meeting with the developer nor have I spoken to any of the neighbors just received the emails that I think the rest of the council has received.

1476
02:10:14,800 --> 02:10:20,500
Okay, thank you very much. Now, at this time we could close the public hearing, what do you think? Do you want to leave the public hearing open?

1477
02:10:20,500 --> 02:10:24,200
I think it's probably a good idea to do that, and let's just go into Council discussion.

1478
02:10:25,240 --> 02:10:27,200
So who wants to go first?

1479
02:10:29,940 --> 02:10:30,660
Mr. Nichols?

1480
02:10:33,140 --> 02:10:34,900
You know, I'm never in our time with it.

1481
02:10:34,920 --> 02:10:42,120
I think that the applicant has stated that there may be an idea out there that they have not considered,

1482
02:10:42,360 --> 02:10:45,240
and I think it would be a good if they all got together and maybe talked about it,

1483
02:10:45,260 --> 02:10:49,860
because there's a lot of heads in this city that do a lot of things that Mr. Kaiser,

1484
02:10:49,860 --> 02:10:54,640
For example, who works with 3D renderings, brought up some great points, I would encourage

1485
02:10:54,640 --> 02:11:00,020
another level of talks amongst everyone so they can get an idea what this polling would

1486
02:11:00,020 --> 02:11:06,520
or would not look like in their other ideas, follow up on the mayor's comment about the percentage

1487
02:11:06,520 --> 02:11:12,260
of the polls, understand through the fire, chief here that some of them are public safety,

1488
02:11:12,380 --> 02:11:15,820
perhaps all of them are public safety, but maybe one or two or three of these are just parking

1489
02:11:15,820 --> 02:11:21,120
only, and if there's an analysis to know any additional ones can go up, it would be great,

1490
02:11:21,960 --> 02:11:27,360
including an analysis of music structure poles, structured poles with oversized wiring,

1491
02:11:27,860 --> 02:11:32,120
to maybe bridge the gap between some of those that are more important, especially the ones

1492
02:11:32,120 --> 02:11:38,640
along the Nardo, and the taller buildings towards the back of the site, which are probably

1493
02:11:38,640 --> 02:11:44,560
the most underrepresented in terms of, you know, along the church side, and the one large

1494
02:11:44,560 --> 02:11:49,240
building that just has the one hole that was spoken to by one of the applicants.

1495
02:11:49,840 --> 02:11:50,820
I mean, one of the speakers tonight.

1496
02:11:52,960 --> 02:11:59,520
And then I think it's very, very important that if we do this with these lips after we kind of go through this little exercise,

1497
02:12:00,040 --> 02:12:02,160
because I mean, honestly, this is the first time we're talking about it.

1498
02:12:02,160 --> 02:12:04,180
A lot of people are just learning about it for the first time.

1499
02:12:04,200 --> 02:12:07,300
We just received the new information when I sat down.

1500
02:12:07,300 --> 02:12:08,080
We got this map.

1501
02:12:08,220 --> 02:12:10,380
I'm having a chance to look at it at this map.

1502
02:12:11,180 --> 02:12:14,300
So this is kind of the initial discussion in my opinion.

1503
02:12:14,300 --> 02:12:20,740
of where this could go, but if we do it with the lifts, I really think that there needs

1504
02:12:20,740 --> 02:12:27,740
to be a huge effort on the part of the applicant to really schedule this and figure out

1505
02:12:28,260 --> 02:12:32,700
a schedule of how many hours it's going to take to do certain areas to make sure people

1506
02:12:32,700 --> 02:12:36,520
are going to be home and that they're not going to be working or on vacation or anything like

1507
02:12:36,520 --> 02:12:43,720
that because the importance here is to lessen the burden on the public because Mr. Ratzers

1508
02:12:43,720 --> 02:12:51,040
You know, a lot of people, they look at plants, they don't know what they're really looking at and it's, and sort of Mr. Kaiser, and it's not a fence to them, they just do other things for other living.

1509
02:12:51,100 --> 02:13:01,520
Some maybe teachers or, you know, librarians or other things that don't look at plants every day like the developers do, and it's hard to kind of visualize and a 3D envelope from a piece of paper and some polls, what that means.

1510
02:13:02,260 --> 02:13:13,200
And this is quite a significant project, and I think that if it delays it, you know, a month or whatever, takes to get this meeting together, then, you know, that's 30 days that will allow people a better understanding that how it's going to affect their lives.

1511
02:13:13,200 --> 02:13:17,500
not only for the four years that it's going to take to construct a project, but the lifetime

1512
02:13:17,500 --> 02:13:20,840
that they're going to experience it while they continue to live in their homes.

1513
02:13:22,000 --> 02:13:23,340
So those are kind of my initial thoughts.

1514
02:13:23,740 --> 02:13:28,620
I would like to see that kind of action happen, and hopefully the rest of the council feels

1515
02:13:28,620 --> 02:13:29,180
the same way.

1516
02:13:31,040 --> 02:13:31,400
Thank you.

1517
02:13:31,460 --> 02:13:32,160
Deputy Mayor Zito.

1518
02:13:33,560 --> 02:13:33,820
Yeah.

1519
02:13:34,740 --> 02:13:38,880
I think I can occur with most of the comments that council member Nichols made.

1520
02:13:38,880 --> 02:13:56,540
I do think that I have a lot of faith in our staff and I believe that pretty much the exercise due diligence and probably have come up with most of the available good options, but I do think this is a lot of the public comment is noted is that the

1521
02:13:57,640 --> 02:14:02,660
is that this is a very potentially impactful project and it's a very significant project for

1522
02:14:02,660 --> 02:14:07,420
our city. So I think we need to buy us on the on the side of being over communicative and

1523
02:14:07,420 --> 02:14:12,220
over a process oriented rather than on the other side. So I agree with the comments that council

1524
02:14:12,220 --> 02:14:16,180
member Nichols made saying that it would be nice to have some sort of process where we could

1525
02:14:16,180 --> 02:14:22,240
get some additional feedback on on what's being done. Maybe a forum where the story poll guy

1526
02:14:22,240 --> 02:14:25,080
was there, the builder was there, and people would come

1527
02:14:25,080 --> 02:14:26,040
and make recommendations.

1528
02:14:27,900 --> 02:14:32,060
I do, however, all in, I do think our goal needs to be

1529
02:14:32,060 --> 02:14:34,380
to get as many of these story poles up as possible,

1530
02:14:35,100 --> 02:14:37,160
potentially may be using some of the suggestions

1531
02:14:37,160 --> 02:14:38,760
that Council Member Nichols made earlier,

1532
02:14:39,180 --> 02:14:42,820
of over story, story pulling bigger and then using some markings

1533
02:14:42,820 --> 02:14:47,300
to make indication as to where the actual structure

1534
02:14:47,300 --> 02:14:48,840
is going to be where possible.

1535
02:14:50,520 --> 02:14:55,580
Having said that, I do think that some of the members of the public, I also sat on the

1536
02:14:55,580 --> 02:14:59,980
View Assessment Commission for five years and on projects much, much, much simple.

1537
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:08,240
Order than this, it's difficult for most people to understand storyball plans. So I do think that the, I mean, I appreciate a lot of the

1538
02:15:08,240 --> 02:15:14,000
comments that Jim Ratzker may but I also think that some people are overestimating the ability of the

1539
02:15:14,000 --> 02:15:20,100
public to understand what the project can look like even if a war 100% storyball. It's just a big project and it's really

1540
02:15:20,100 --> 02:15:26,380
difficult to internalize that. Our job is to make it as easy as possible. And I think one of the benefits that

1541
02:15:26,380 --> 02:15:28,520
will be provided by this exception process,

1542
02:15:28,640 --> 02:15:31,780
is that if you look at a normal story poll effort,

1543
02:15:32,680 --> 02:15:34,320
the developer puts up the story polls,

1544
02:15:34,680 --> 02:15:36,920
you look at them, you try to figure it out on your own,

1545
02:15:37,220 --> 02:15:39,420
and you come back with your ideas later on,

1546
02:15:39,520 --> 02:15:40,380
whether or not it's impactful.

1547
02:15:40,560 --> 02:15:43,200
What we're proposing to have time periods of times

1548
02:15:43,200 --> 02:15:44,600
out there where people will be out there

1549
02:15:44,600 --> 02:15:47,820
to ask answer questions and to help you figure out

1550
02:15:47,820 --> 02:15:50,120
what's going on, and I think that's actually a benefit

1551
02:15:50,820 --> 02:15:52,280
through what this mechanism

1552
02:15:52,280 --> 02:15:55,160
at the exception process would provide.

1553
02:15:55,160 --> 02:16:05,240
So, to me that's a key part. And then the last thing, if we do, which I expect, we will ultimately need to weigh some of the story poles for me that I think is a key item.

1554
02:16:05,880 --> 02:16:17,840
I think I'm going back to the back process. This is Jim Ratsker made a very good point that one of the key points of the view assessment process is to identify the primary viewing area and the impacts of the primary viewing areas.

1555
02:16:17,840 --> 02:16:25,000
And so I think we need to make sure that when that is happening for the members that

1556
02:16:25,000 --> 02:16:28,780
have to do the evaluation, whether that's the View Assessment Commission, should somebody

1557
02:16:28,780 --> 02:16:33,600
file on the peel or if it's the council that we need to be able to do the modeling, meaning

1558
02:16:33,600 --> 02:16:38,960
with the lifts showing the outlines of the structures, when everybody is available to be there.

1559
02:16:39,200 --> 02:16:42,180
So, it probably means we need to schedule a public meeting or something like the public

1560
02:16:42,180 --> 02:16:47,320
we notice meeting, but so that the buildings can be outlined that people that are on the

1561
02:16:47,320 --> 02:16:52,760
to see a specific building or something like that, and it's full outline. And along those lines,

1562
02:16:53,200 --> 02:17:01,060
not to make a bad pun. But when we have the story poles that can be put up, I do think we should

1563
02:17:01,060 --> 02:17:08,600
put strings attached to those poles that would be used for the adjacent poles that can't be there,

1564
02:17:08,900 --> 02:17:14,100
and just have them dangle and be secured so that when we are putting the lift, they can take those

1565
02:17:14,100 --> 02:17:23,320
and go up with them. So you can actually then outline the building. So the strings may not be used all the time, but at least they'll be there and it makes it possible to do it.

1566
02:17:23,820 --> 02:17:25,400
So those are my comments for now.

1567
02:17:27,270 --> 02:17:29,570
Good and Council Member Marshall, please.

1568
02:17:33,080 --> 02:17:45,300
Well, I know that development is scary, it's new, it's I know I understand that the neighbors are concerned and maybe afraid of this development.

1569
02:17:46,200 --> 02:17:52,260
And possibly maybe we put the car before the horse maybe we should have had it a numerous

1570
02:17:52,260 --> 02:17:59,220
amount of weekends where the lists were in place and the neighbors were noticed and they

1571
02:17:59,220 --> 02:18:05,060
could go and get in the lifts and see where the story poles would have been the ones that

1572
02:18:05,060 --> 02:18:11,240
can't go up and then had this hearing and and wave the 30% of the story poles.

1573
02:18:11,240 --> 02:18:18,900
So I hear your concerns and I think that the developers doing all that they can and I'm sure

1574
02:18:18,900 --> 02:18:25,820
they're going to work with the neighbors to allay your fears about the development and get

1575
02:18:25,820 --> 02:18:27,400
you all the information they can.

1576
02:18:28,940 --> 02:18:29,040
So.

1577
02:18:29,220 --> 02:18:30,140
Thank you.

1578
02:18:30,820 --> 02:18:31,120
Okay.

1579
02:18:31,700 --> 02:18:40,240
So I do have some concerns because I do think that the residents have a right to see the full development

1580
02:18:40,240 --> 02:18:43,560
in the impacts that it will have from them from their living room.

1581
02:18:43,720 --> 02:18:44,940
I appreciate that Mr. Ratser.

1582
02:18:45,920 --> 02:18:50,140
I do think that I just want to sort of parenthetically say I've also been on the

1583
02:18:50,140 --> 02:18:53,800
View Assessment Committee and that the public needs to understand that part of the view

1584
02:18:53,800 --> 02:18:59,840
process is that you pick one location in your house where the is the best viewing location

1585
02:18:59,840 --> 02:19:04,240
and you can't pick like every single room or five rooms or wherever you have to pick one

1586
02:19:04,240 --> 02:19:11,060
And then you have to determine that that is a view that a building would be blocking.

1587
02:19:11,800 --> 02:19:16,640
You can't just say it's too big or whatever, it has to be a specific, from a specific area.

1588
02:19:17,160 --> 02:19:22,240
So that might help when you're evaluating if you do have a view claim or not.

1589
02:19:22,760 --> 02:19:29,780
Of course, Toy Poles also address another issue, which will come when the full project comes to us and that's the Balkan scale.

1590
02:19:29,780 --> 02:19:34,480
that is addressed during the development review, a permit process, that's a whole

1591
02:19:34,480 --> 02:19:38,400
another process, but in terms of view, which is what we're talking about right now,

1592
02:19:39,220 --> 02:19:43,560
I think it's important that we get as many polls up there as possible.

1593
02:19:43,800 --> 02:19:51,480
I'm interested in the concept that I forget who it was who said it, well, it doesn't matter.

1594
02:19:51,740 --> 02:19:58,040
But at the St. James Fire Lane, that maybe if we could use them, that for some of the

1595
02:19:58,040 --> 02:19:59,980
wires or poles that might allow.

1596
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:29,760
A few more to come up. I think it's important to distinguish, pardon me, from the church. Yes. I want to see us get more polls out there. We possibly can determine the difference between polls that are being eliminated due to public safety issues versus parking issues. I like the over story polling idea that might came up with, with the flags and the wires coming down. I like the idea that the deputy mayor came up with putting the strings up there.

1597
02:20:30,460 --> 02:20:37,700
facilitate the lift faster. I think we've got to definitely be more than two days. I think

1598
02:20:37,700 --> 02:20:43,400
that we have to maybe stretch this out over whatever time period it takes for the community

1599
02:20:43,400 --> 02:20:49,080
to feel comfortable that they get a good visual of the impacts of this project would have

1600
02:20:49,080 --> 02:20:56,020
in its entirety on their living condition, their primary view. So I think that what needs to

1601
02:20:56,020 --> 02:21:00,160
occur is a little bit more discussion, and by the way, anybody can

1602
02:21:00,160 --> 02:21:02,980
call Mr. Aud if they want, he's very available to the public.

1603
02:21:03,460 --> 02:21:06,680
I'm not just developers can sit down and talk with him.

1604
02:21:07,820 --> 02:21:10,940
And see if we can come up with a couple of other more creative

1605
02:21:10,940 --> 02:21:14,880
ideas to get out more polls and give us some more specific

1606
02:21:14,880 --> 02:21:21,400
information on which of those polls in the highest over 30

1607
02:21:21,400 --> 02:21:25,140
of a plane that you have that, is it a larger percentage than normal?

1608
02:21:25,760 --> 02:21:28,500
I personally do not believe you're trying to pull the wall over people's eyes.

1609
02:21:29,200 --> 02:21:31,880
I have experienced meeting with you over a period of time.

1610
02:21:32,720 --> 02:21:35,660
I do think that you're a good guy.

1611
02:21:36,220 --> 02:21:38,980
You are proposing, you are a developer, but you are a good guy.

1612
02:21:39,460 --> 02:21:42,220
Some people really can wear both shoes.

1613
02:21:42,800 --> 02:21:45,340
You're proposing a development, and it is a little bit scary.

1614
02:21:46,040 --> 02:21:48,480
But I do think that your intentions are clear.

1615
02:21:48,480 --> 02:21:55,440
And in fact, one of the reasons we're here, it's over in the bubble we needed to do, it could have been done at the directors level as the city manager said.

1616
02:21:57,120 --> 02:21:58,160
So, you're good?

1617
02:21:58,540 --> 02:22:06,200
Okay, so I think that what we need to do is ask the city attorney what direction you need from us and give us some suggestions.

1618
02:22:06,500 --> 02:22:17,100
If I'm hearing the desire of the consensus from the council, is that you wish to continue the public hearing, if that is the case, then you need to leave the public hearing open.

1619
02:22:17,100 --> 02:22:23,240
And as an admonition to the public, if the council chooses to leave the public hearing open,

1620
02:22:23,560 --> 02:22:29,200
you may not contact them, not because it is, they don't want to talk to you, it's because I tell them,

1621
02:22:29,300 --> 02:22:32,200
and the law says they cannot talk to you outside of the public hearing.

1622
02:22:32,580 --> 02:22:36,600
The question is going to be whether or not this is going to be continued to a date certain.

1623
02:22:38,910 --> 02:22:46,070
I mean, it's just, so I heard around 30 days, we can always continue to get there and that kind of stuff.

1624
02:22:46,070 --> 02:22:48,630
So I'm looking at April 8th.

1625
02:22:49,650 --> 02:22:52,250
Okay. April 8th, we'll be back in this room.

1626
02:22:52,790 --> 02:22:55,950
Mr. Nichols, sorry, Mr. Zito and the Mr. Nichols.

1627
02:22:56,930 --> 02:23:00,050
Yeah, it was just going to make such a motion which was to continue

1628
02:23:00,050 --> 02:23:03,410
the public hearing to a date certain on April 8th.

1629
02:23:03,950 --> 02:23:07,550
And I believe part of that would be to have at least one public

1630
02:23:07,550 --> 02:23:10,970
meeting where people could come that has the applicant

1631
02:23:10,970 --> 02:23:13,270
in the story pool of the company there to talk.

1632
02:23:13,490 --> 02:23:14,410
Thanks, I'll make that motion.

1633
02:23:14,410 --> 02:23:19,310
Okay, Mr. Nichols, do you have to second that motion and then speak?

1634
02:23:19,310 --> 02:23:19,990
Second the motion.

1635
02:23:20,450 --> 02:23:23,930
Okay, all right, I'm going to call for the vote.

1636
02:23:25,210 --> 02:23:30,190
This is to continue the public hearing to update certain passes for zero with one absent.

1637
02:23:30,550 --> 02:23:32,710
Thank you very much for your participation in this process.

1638
02:23:32,730 --> 02:23:33,570
Appreciate you coming out.

1639
02:23:34,450 --> 02:23:36,870
We know this is a big project and it impacts you a lot.

1640
02:23:36,950 --> 02:23:38,050
Thanks for taking the time.

1641
02:23:39,550 --> 02:23:41,150
Okay, we'll take a five minute break.

1642
02:29:11,980 --> 02:29:16,580
We're ready to move on to staff reports. City manager, C1.

1643
02:29:16,880 --> 02:29:18,700
Excuse me, I want to turn this right over to the city attorney.

1644
02:29:19,480 --> 02:29:19,480
Okay.

1645
02:29:21,860 --> 02:29:27,940
Please bear with me. The action here for you tonight is to adopt ordinance 457.

1646
02:29:29,760 --> 02:29:33,040
An ordinance of the City Council of the City of Solana Beach, California,

1647
02:29:33,040 --> 02:29:46,940
A Mending Section 2.04.2222 of Chapter 2.04, a Mending Section 2.32.090, Section 2.32.110, and

1648
02:29:46,940 --> 02:29:57,560
Section 2.32.120, and adding Section 3.32150 of Chapter 3.32 of the Solana Beach Municipal Code

1649
02:29:57,560 --> 02:29:59,060
relating to appeal procedures.

1650
02:30:01,210 --> 02:30:07,490
May I have a motion, Mr. Zito, and the ready to do that would be so stomved.

1651
02:30:09,070 --> 02:30:12,350
Moorjou adopt staff recommendation as outlined by the City Attorney.

1652
02:30:12,910 --> 02:30:18,690
Thank you. In the second, please. Ms. Marshall, the second it.

1653
02:30:22,550 --> 02:30:26,030
That passes for zero with one absent. Okay. C2.

1654
02:30:26,510 --> 02:30:28,870
Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, City Council. This is resolutions.

1655
02:30:28,870 --> 02:30:33,670
and consenting to inclusion of the City of Slanted Beach properties in the California

1656
02:30:33,670 --> 02:30:38,130
Home Finance Authority, PACE Programs, and Associate Membership and California Home Finance

1657
02:30:38,130 --> 02:30:38,790
Authority.

1658
02:30:39,430 --> 02:30:43,350
This item is before you tonight to consider adopting two resolutions that would offer as a

1659
02:30:43,350 --> 02:30:47,990
city to participate in why green works, PACE, Finance and Programme.

1660
02:30:48,890 --> 02:30:50,790
Can a king will present this first tonight?

1661
02:30:51,730 --> 02:30:51,770
Thank you.

1662
02:30:52,110 --> 02:30:52,310
Thank you.

1663
02:30:52,890 --> 02:30:53,110
Thank you.

1664
02:30:53,310 --> 02:30:53,690
Thank you.

1665
02:30:55,310 --> 02:30:55,730
Thank you.

1666
02:30:55,730 --> 02:30:57,370
you know, we'll never remember the City Council.

1667
02:30:58,070 --> 02:30:59,930
See, I'm answering to do this as I'm before you tonight

1668
02:30:59,930 --> 02:31:02,230
to consider approving and adopting the Whitering

1669
02:31:02,230 --> 02:31:03,270
PACE Finance and Program.

1670
02:31:04,670 --> 02:31:05,610
So brief introduction.

1671
02:31:06,230 --> 02:31:08,450
PACE stands for Proper Access Clean Energy.

1672
02:31:09,090 --> 02:31:11,270
In PACE Programs, the Louth Proper Yonder is the voluntarily

1673
02:31:11,270 --> 02:31:13,870
placed in assessment on the property for the purchase

1674
02:31:13,870 --> 02:31:16,450
and installation of permanently fixed energy efficiency,

1675
02:31:17,210 --> 02:31:19,270
renewable energy, energy water conservation,

1676
02:31:19,570 --> 02:31:21,710
and efficiency improvements, as well as electric vehicle

1677
02:31:21,710 --> 02:31:22,550
charging infrastructure.

1678
02:31:24,090 --> 02:31:25,510
So the significant benefits is that it's

1679
02:31:25,510 --> 02:31:31,390
completely voluntary for property owners and that there's no risk for liability and really limited cost of municipalities.

1680
02:31:32,450 --> 02:31:39,630
The financing of the property owners is repaid over time through annual assessments on the property tax bill and is authorized by state law.

1681
02:31:42,780 --> 02:31:50,220
So the city has been involved with pace legislation since its inception back in July of 2008 with the passing of ABA 11.

1682
02:31:51,440 --> 02:31:55,140
The City is one of the original jurisdictions in California to join the California First

1683
02:31:55,140 --> 02:31:56,780
PACE Program in 2010.

1684
02:31:57,260 --> 02:32:01,280
The City is also one of the first jurisdictions in San Diego County to join the Hero PACE

1685
02:32:01,280 --> 02:32:06,220
Program back in 2013, as well as a fig tree, which is a commercial component of that.

1686
02:32:07,260 --> 02:32:10,980
PACE part financing program to remain a city council priority since 2010.

1687
02:32:11,600 --> 02:32:12,820
The council is reiterated.

1688
02:32:12,980 --> 02:32:17,980
It is desired to analyze all feasible PACE programs to allow for open competition and more options for the community.

1689
02:32:20,040 --> 02:32:24,840
So recently represented this from Y Green, Crystal Crawford, and I'm back there who are

1690
02:32:24,840 --> 02:32:28,460
in the attendance tonight, do you have any specific questions about their program?

1691
02:32:28,560 --> 02:32:32,560
They're available for comments, but their poster city requested this line of beach

1692
02:32:32,560 --> 02:32:37,820
consider becoming one of the first cities in San Diego County to join their new statewide

1693
02:32:37,820 --> 02:32:42,880
page program, which is a Y Green program, Y Green has a successful program up and running

1694
02:32:42,880 --> 02:32:47,320
in Chulavista, but that's specifically for Chulavista only, and this is kind of their first

1695
02:32:47,320 --> 02:32:48,320
white venture.

1696
02:32:50,340 --> 02:32:53,880
The representatives, Chris O'Neill, met with the Sloan beach cleaning

1697
02:32:53,880 --> 02:32:58,500
green community as well as the environmental sustainability standing committee to

1698
02:32:58,500 --> 02:33:01,560
present this idea and receive favorable responses.

1699
02:33:02,560 --> 02:33:07,380
The white green program is similar to the hero-paste program in the functionality, whereas

1700
02:33:07,380 --> 02:33:12,080
white green is really the administrator for a larger established statewide JPA. White green is

1701
02:33:12,080 --> 02:33:18,000
helping to establish under the SB555 or the Miller's Act, but they're also submitting under

1702
02:33:18,000 --> 02:33:24,700
8-11 as well, which is currently seeking validation, judicial validation for both programs.

1703
02:33:25,760 --> 02:33:29,260
And if we approve of the C, we've become an associate member of the California Home Finance Authority,

1704
02:33:29,420 --> 02:33:34,060
which is the statewide JPA, imprimous property owners within the city to participate.

1705
02:33:37,260 --> 02:33:41,660
And briefly, these are the examples of types of improvements that can be included with the PACE Finance

1706
02:33:41,660 --> 02:33:42,100
program.

1707
02:33:44,850 --> 02:33:48,350
So, in conclusion, staff recommends that the City Council adopt resolution 2015,

1708
02:33:48,690 --> 02:33:54,250
0, 2, 9, and resolution 2015, 0, 3, 0, consenting to inclusion of properties within the

1709
02:33:54,250 --> 02:33:57,510
city's incorporation, incorporated area, and the wide green face program.

1710
02:33:57,990 --> 02:34:03,350
Thank you, Danny. Any questions? Mr. Cito? I think we might have a speaker. Do we have a speaker?

1711
02:34:04,510 --> 02:34:05,170
No? Okay.

1712
02:34:06,090 --> 02:34:09,210
There's a basic question. Do we happen to know you mentioned the different types of financing,

1713
02:34:09,210 --> 02:34:16,850
but what the general role of cost is between the two, the interest rate that's charged to the customer, or is that a better question for them?

1714
02:34:17,490 --> 02:34:18,690
Yeah, thank you very much.

1715
02:34:18,970 --> 02:34:19,130
Okay.

1716
02:34:22,400 --> 02:34:24,140
Good evening, Mayor, Council and staff.

1717
02:34:24,260 --> 02:34:25,960
Thank you very much for having us on the agenda.

1718
02:34:26,600 --> 02:34:30,400
The interest rates are very similar to the other programs that you're already participating in.

1719
02:34:31,060 --> 02:34:36,300
Although, a wide range, very proud of the fact that there have been a number of comparisons by cities and counties around the state.

1720
02:34:36,300 --> 02:34:50,120
And we do come in less expensive in terms of fees and the interest rates, the difference is fairly slight, and it ranges from about 6% to about 8 depending on the term of years that you choose.

1721
02:34:50,460 --> 02:34:59,420
We have terms from five years all the way up to 30 years, which is one of the advantages of our programs that we can offer longer financing terms, which makes the financing more affordable.

1722
02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:04,660
Okay, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Nice to see you, Kristall. Council members, Nickles.

1723
02:35:08,100 --> 02:35:18,360
Just a good question was more about the JPA part of it. So there's no cost to the city, but do we have any other obligations to be included as part of this JPA?

1724
02:35:18,540 --> 02:35:24,540
No, not at all. So there's no staff, time really needed. Go ahead, Kristall, if you want to. Actually, you're walking up there.

1725
02:35:24,540 --> 02:35:31,640
So, again, similar to your other programs, the JPA performs all of the administrative functions.

1726
02:35:32,420 --> 02:35:36,260
Certainly, there is the time that was involved in bringing the item to the council this evening.

1727
02:35:36,560 --> 02:35:53,360
And we do welcome input from City Manager from staff and from the council, frankly, if you have suggestions about how to best market the program and reach out to residents and business owners in the community to advertise and educate the public about the program.

1728
02:35:53,360 --> 02:35:56,880
But other than that, there's no cost to join, no obligations.

1729
02:35:57,580 --> 02:36:00,700
The city would have access to other programs that are offered

1730
02:36:00,700 --> 02:36:04,760
by California Home Finance Authority, which offers affordable housing

1731
02:36:04,760 --> 02:36:07,460
and other energy efficiency type financing.

1732
02:36:07,640 --> 02:36:09,780
First time home via programs, that sort of thing.

1733
02:36:09,960 --> 02:36:12,800
That comes with your joining as an associate member.

1734
02:36:13,080 --> 02:36:14,720
But again, no obligations and no cost.

1735
02:36:14,900 --> 02:36:15,620
No liabilities.

1736
02:36:15,740 --> 02:36:16,480
No liabilities.

1737
02:36:16,680 --> 02:36:17,460
Because well, thanks.

1738
02:36:18,760 --> 02:36:19,560
Thank you.

1739
02:36:20,060 --> 02:36:21,920
OK, time for motion.

1740
02:36:24,620 --> 02:36:32,280
Yeah, so I'll make the motion to approve staff resolution and can I, our staff program, can I do both in one is that okay?

1741
02:36:32,580 --> 02:36:39,060
Okay, and the doctor resolution in 2015-029 and 2015-030 is outlined in the staff report.

1742
02:36:40,970 --> 02:36:47,450
Very good, and I'm happy to second that, and seeing you at a request to speak.

1743
02:36:48,070 --> 02:36:49,410
I will call for the vote,

1744
02:36:51,830 --> 02:36:54,030
and that passes for zero with one absent. Congratulations.

1745
02:36:54,030 --> 02:36:55,650
Thank you very much.

1746
02:36:55,810 --> 02:36:56,590
Are we the first?

1747
02:36:56,810 --> 02:36:57,710
You are okay.

1748
02:36:58,470 --> 02:36:58,670
Yeah.

1749
02:36:59,470 --> 02:37:00,170
Thank you.

1750
02:37:00,290 --> 02:37:00,730
You're welcome.

1751
02:37:01,470 --> 02:37:01,630
Okay.

1752
02:37:01,770 --> 02:37:04,190
Now we're on to see three.

1753
02:37:04,410 --> 02:37:04,670
Yes.

1754
02:37:04,770 --> 02:37:07,310
This is discussions of parking for recreation of vehicles.

1755
02:37:08,070 --> 02:37:12,410
This one of these municipal code provides for regulations regarding the parking of recreation vehicles.

1756
02:37:13,430 --> 02:37:19,990
Stop being standing parking in which allows recreation vehicles to park on public streets and public parking lots for 24 hours.

1757
02:37:19,990 --> 02:37:25,690
Over the past year, Deputy Mayor of Sino and staff have received several complaints stating that the

1758
02:37:25,690 --> 02:37:29,530
Recreation type vehicles were taken up significant parking space.

1759
02:37:29,670 --> 02:37:36,030
They were unsightly and were difficult to see when turning quarters or either in a roadway or driveway.

1760
02:37:37,670 --> 02:37:43,510
Deputy Mayor Zino has requested staff to research options for the parking of Recreation Vehicles and this report

1761
02:37:43,510 --> 02:37:47,930
proper rights, possible attorneys. This time is before Council for discussion and to provide

1762
02:37:47,930 --> 02:37:52,210
direction to staff, one day's going to present us one, and at the end of this we'll be

1763
02:37:52,210 --> 02:37:55,050
showing you some of what some other cities have done a little bit.

1764
02:37:55,350 --> 02:37:58,810
Okay, and then I see we have one speaker. Do you have a speaker?

1765
02:37:59,190 --> 02:38:01,170
Yeah, okay. Okay, thank you, Wendy.

1766
02:38:01,770 --> 02:38:07,650
Good evening, Mayor and City Council members. As City Manager Aote had already mentioned, the

1767
02:38:07,650 --> 02:38:12,210
complaints that we have been receiving are out there. There is insignificant space for them to

1768
02:38:12,210 --> 02:38:17,510
park, they're unsightly. It is difficult to maneuver around them, and I would say in the past

1769
02:38:17,510 --> 02:38:21,930
year, particularly the past six months, code enforcement has experienced more complaints

1770
02:38:21,930 --> 02:38:29,690
on this particular issue. The current regulation say that no person shall park any motorhome

1771
02:38:29,690 --> 02:38:36,190
or camper on any public street or public parking lot for a period of 24 or more consecutive

1772
02:38:36,190 --> 02:38:40,830
of hours, which means that within every 24 hour period it needs to move.

1773
02:38:42,610 --> 02:38:47,530
There's also one for camp, camp for trailers and boats, not boat showers, I don't know

1774
02:38:47,530 --> 02:38:51,270
if we wanted to discuss that one tonight, but I put that up there as the regulation because

1775
02:38:51,270 --> 02:38:53,150
the two are combined together.

1776
02:38:54,270 --> 02:38:59,510
I also have the definition of street up there, I believe you received a letter that spoke

1777
02:38:59,510 --> 02:39:02,870
of streets, so I made sure that the definition for you was there or an available.

1778
02:39:05,120 --> 02:39:06,760
Okay, so some possible alternatives.

1779
02:39:06,760 --> 02:39:10,000
It's obviously no change to the current regulations that we have.

1780
02:39:10,960 --> 02:39:14,140
We use the same time limit established for the camp trailers.

1781
02:39:14,680 --> 02:39:17,400
Both are boat trailers, which was the two-hour periods.

1782
02:39:18,460 --> 02:39:26,920
The camp trailers, boats are boat trailers, do not address public parking lots while the

1783
02:39:26,920 --> 02:39:31,200
recreation of vehicles do, so that may be something you want to consider with that one.

1784
02:39:31,780 --> 02:39:36,480
You can restrict the hours and our days of the week that they can be parked.

1785
02:39:37,500 --> 02:39:41,500
There could be no overnight parking and determine what hours you would set that out of

1786
02:39:41,500 --> 02:39:44,080
Possibilities 10 p.m. to 6 a.m.

1787
02:39:44,540 --> 02:39:46,660
You can restrict by size and our type.

1788
02:39:46,900 --> 02:39:48,480
I've seen that along beach areas.

1789
02:39:49,440 --> 02:39:50,820
You can restrict by location.

1790
02:39:51,680 --> 02:39:52,820
So in other words,

1791
02:39:52,940 --> 02:39:56,280
some of these restrictions may apply in some parts of the city and not in others.

1792
02:39:56,740 --> 02:39:59,660
Different restrictions may apply in different areas.

1793
02:39:59,660 --> 02:39:59,980
Thank you.

1794
02:40:00,000 --> 02:40:07,600
Then there's a permit program where an individual can come down and actually apply for a permit through the city.

1795
02:40:08,620 --> 02:40:14,840
You would have to determine how many times a year they could have this permit for how many hours they could possibly leave it there.

1796
02:40:14,860 --> 02:40:19,040
And you're going to see some different programs that actually allow for that in other cities.

1797
02:40:19,600 --> 02:40:26,320
And how often they can do this. This would also apply to their guests, so if they had somebody that was going to be coming into town,

1798
02:40:26,320 --> 02:40:29,940
The property owner could come down and apply for that permit for their guest.

1799
02:40:30,460 --> 02:40:32,500
So it's available for them when they arrive.

1800
02:40:33,120 --> 02:40:37,260
And of course, any combination of the options above could work.

1801
02:40:37,720 --> 02:40:39,060
Considerations are enforcement.

1802
02:40:39,780 --> 02:40:43,080
We do it in force now, and we have in force now.

1803
02:40:43,380 --> 02:40:48,440
But without movement of every 24 hours, they will get in and move it around the block

1804
02:40:48,440 --> 02:40:50,600
and come back and park down the road a little bit further.

1805
02:40:50,900 --> 02:40:51,600
It's difficult.

1806
02:40:52,000 --> 02:40:55,860
And it creates that same situation that the neighbors are complaining about.

1807
02:40:55,860 --> 02:41:01,240
Parking distances from intersections in our driveways, we might want to expand that a little bit further.

1808
02:41:01,580 --> 02:41:06,500
And requirements, limitations of Parking Recreation will be a cause on private property.

1809
02:41:07,100 --> 02:41:15,800
If we're going to consider private property more, we might want to consider what depth you want, the driveway to be, whether or not you want it to be.

1810
02:41:16,340 --> 02:41:19,800
Block from public view, you know, there's other considerations for that.

1811
02:41:20,480 --> 02:41:23,140
Okay, so Delmar has a parking limited four hours.

1812
02:41:23,140 --> 02:41:29,740
And then I have a permit program, which is available up to 48 hours, and you can have

1813
02:41:29,740 --> 02:41:33,760
number of the six permits a year, so you can come in six times a year to obtain one.

1814
02:41:35,510 --> 02:41:40,790
As the latest, you can park between, or you cannot park between 10 and 10 at 9 and 6 in

1815
02:41:40,790 --> 02:41:41,290
the morning.

1816
02:41:42,170 --> 02:41:48,590
There are also 48 hours of non consecutive overnight parking, so you can park for 48 hours,

1817
02:41:49,190 --> 02:41:54,370
but it's, it's not every day.

1818
02:41:54,370 --> 02:41:56,350
or see we have to actually keep applying.

1819
02:41:57,150 --> 02:41:59,290
A permits can be used for residents or visitors

1820
02:41:59,290 --> 02:42:03,850
must be part of the property, and there's no overnight camping.

1821
02:42:05,530 --> 02:42:06,190
Within the vehicle.

1822
02:42:06,950 --> 02:42:09,470
Carls that restricts overnight parking between 2 a.m.

1823
02:42:09,470 --> 02:42:11,430
and 5 a.m., you can get yearly permits.

1824
02:42:11,770 --> 02:42:13,850
Residents can get 1, 4 times a month,

1825
02:42:14,150 --> 02:42:17,810
guess 6 times a year, and must park within 400 feet

1826
02:42:17,810 --> 02:42:18,530
of the residents.

1827
02:42:20,830 --> 02:42:23,770
Ocean side has a 72 hour limit, and you must move

1828
02:42:23,770 --> 02:42:27,310
at least a half a mile away within that 72 hours.

1829
02:42:27,890 --> 02:42:29,610
You can request a 72 hour extension

1830
02:42:29,610 --> 02:42:31,610
four times a year per vehicle.

1831
02:42:32,950 --> 02:42:36,410
San Diego is no parking between two AM and six AM.

1832
02:42:36,570 --> 02:42:38,770
Permits are available for 24 hour periods,

1833
02:42:38,970 --> 02:42:41,910
not to exceed a total 72 hours at any one time.

1834
02:42:42,630 --> 02:42:45,230
They, you can obtain one for 72 days out of the year.

1835
02:42:46,210 --> 02:42:48,050
And you must park on the same block

1836
02:42:48,050 --> 02:42:50,170
that the residents lives on.

1837
02:42:51,170 --> 02:42:52,490
And that's what I have for you.

1838
02:42:52,490 --> 02:42:53,750
So we're looking for direction.

1839
02:42:55,750 --> 02:42:57,530
Okay, so we want direction just discussion.

1840
02:42:57,730 --> 02:42:59,810
We're not going to be approving or disapproving anything tonight.

1841
02:42:59,910 --> 02:43:02,370
We're just going to give you info to come back in a later time.

1842
02:43:02,530 --> 02:43:03,650
Mr. Zito, you have a question this afternoon?

1843
02:43:03,770 --> 02:43:05,630
Yeah, just a good question on your street comment.

1844
02:43:05,890 --> 02:43:09,590
So the specific thing that was also addressed, I think, in the letter that we got,

1845
02:43:10,310 --> 02:43:14,330
was definition of street with respect to either right-of-way easements.

1846
02:43:14,390 --> 02:43:17,670
And my belief is that street includes all of these events,

1847
02:43:17,870 --> 02:43:20,530
as well as just the paved area of the street.

1848
02:43:20,530 --> 02:43:24,430
if there's a right is that correct?

1849
02:43:25,090 --> 02:43:30,770
Well we've been down this we've actually had a situation before and when we went through all the definitions

1850
02:43:30,770 --> 02:43:38,490
haven't we worked with the city attorney if the easement is on the is not the through traffic

1851
02:43:38,490 --> 02:43:44,650
way where vehicles are traveling on your property then we could not enforce it we were unable to

1852
02:43:44,650 --> 02:43:49,830
close those on your properties for example and the street that I live on the pavement probably

1853
02:43:49,830 --> 02:43:52,970
because 14 feet, but the right away is 20 feet.

1854
02:43:53,110 --> 02:43:54,590
So is that six feet on my property?

1855
02:43:54,970 --> 02:43:55,410
It's not.

1856
02:43:55,930 --> 02:43:56,830
You went and jumped in here.

1857
02:43:56,990 --> 02:43:58,070
You were part of this.

1858
02:43:58,110 --> 02:43:59,610
It was part of what this all day.

1859
02:44:01,530 --> 02:44:02,790
We actually had this conversation.

1860
02:44:03,090 --> 02:44:05,270
I was in the impression that there's

1861
02:44:05,270 --> 02:44:09,150
a distinction between public right away versus public street.

1862
02:44:09,610 --> 02:44:10,890
I think the definition that when they

1863
02:44:10,890 --> 02:44:13,010
is talking about is public street.

1864
02:44:13,170 --> 02:44:15,250
And they're only talking about the pavement section.

1865
02:44:15,570 --> 02:44:16,950
But when you're talking about public right away,

1866
02:44:16,950 --> 02:44:25,670
where the city has jurisdiction, control, over trying to find the property line point of view,

1867
02:44:25,850 --> 02:44:32,090
then we are looking at the right way. That's where a setbacks are measured all of the zoning

1868
02:44:32,090 --> 02:44:36,730
regulations will implement. For the purpose of vehicle code, I think they have a different

1869
02:44:36,730 --> 02:44:41,810
definition for public street. This is really the pavement pavement. I don't know if it's clear

1870
02:44:41,810 --> 02:44:47,770
I mean if it's pavement to pavement, that's very clear, but that means if a street becomes

1871
02:44:47,770 --> 02:44:52,610
improved, something that may, if we only did street, something that may be okay now, may not

1872
02:44:52,610 --> 02:44:59,290
be okay once that street gets improved, just so I'm clear, but we can also, we can regulate

1873
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:05,060
The right-of-way as well with respect to this? Yes, we can. Okay. I'm sorry to see you. I'm sorry to see you.

1874
02:45:05,060 --> 02:45:10,360
That's the report. That purpose amendments to our code. Yes, that could be accomplished.

1875
02:45:11,400 --> 02:45:12,540
Councilmember Nichols, please.

1876
02:45:15,440 --> 02:45:20,800
So today, if someone parks a boat for two hours, they can get ticket. Right?

1877
02:45:21,660 --> 02:45:29,460
But there's no signs or anything that post the law. We'll kind of, do we have to start posting signs about arguing and all this

1878
02:45:29,460 --> 02:45:32,440
things that might happen in order to be possible.

1879
02:45:32,740 --> 02:45:37,660
Yeah, in order for us to enforce any of our regulations, there has to be notice and that's

1880
02:45:37,660 --> 02:45:39,620
usually in a form of a sign. So yes.

1881
02:45:39,840 --> 02:45:40,920
All over all the neighborhoods?

1882
02:45:41,700 --> 02:45:47,500
Well, that if that is the most important, if there's certain provisions that need to be enforced

1883
02:45:47,500 --> 02:45:51,760
before law enforcement can take it them, there needs to be some notice.

1884
02:45:51,780 --> 02:45:53,520
What about just the entrances to the city?

1885
02:45:55,000 --> 02:45:56,240
So what we usually do?

1886
02:45:56,240 --> 02:46:02,580
Because we experience this right now one we're a reactive easily than rather than proactive so it's a complaint driven

1887
02:46:03,480 --> 02:46:04,440
Then we

1888
02:46:04,440 --> 02:46:05,400
Provide warning

1889
02:46:06,640 --> 02:46:09,240
You know, they didn't give them the code so that's the notice

1890
02:46:09,240 --> 02:46:13,720
You know, and then it's dead. So inside yeah, and then if the second time

1891
02:46:14,440 --> 02:46:15,420
We'll take home

1892
02:46:16,240 --> 02:46:19,380
So you've been note on the car the vehicle we're getting a warning

1893
02:46:19,380 --> 02:46:23,880
Let's say you have been noticed right we're going to need two hours or two hours or whatever the

1894
02:46:25,220 --> 02:46:27,780
So we have to move this vehicle right.

1895
02:46:27,980 --> 02:46:28,980
Give me a special question.

1896
02:46:31,900 --> 02:46:33,160
So are we having this discussion?

1897
02:46:33,580 --> 02:46:39,960
Because there's one rogue RV playing cat and mouse on one street.

1898
02:46:40,300 --> 02:46:41,400
Or is this a chronic problem?

1899
02:46:41,660 --> 02:46:42,620
It's on a beach.

1900
02:46:42,900 --> 02:46:43,420
Mr. Zito?

1901
02:46:45,260 --> 02:46:48,840
So there are a couple of them that have been problems for several years.

1902
02:46:48,960 --> 02:46:52,080
There was also, which is another thing that I was going to ask in a little bit.

1903
02:46:52,080 --> 02:46:57,200
There's also, there was previously a problem with a bus in a different part of Sloan Beach,

1904
02:46:57,220 --> 02:47:02,040
which was an old school bus that was getting parked for long periods of time in certain neighborhoods.

1905
02:47:03,100 --> 02:47:06,760
So it's a recurring problem.

1906
02:47:07,000 --> 02:47:11,960
I wouldn't say it's an insurmountable problem from a volume perspective,

1907
02:47:12,080 --> 02:47:14,660
but it's definitely not a single instance.

1908
02:47:17,780 --> 02:47:21,860
That's just my personal experience, staff may have more anecdotal evidence as well.

1909
02:47:22,700 --> 02:47:24,100
Staff anything yet?

1910
02:47:24,800 --> 02:47:29,800
Well, the last six months we have had an increase in compliance in this particular area.

1911
02:47:31,160 --> 02:47:33,960
More so I spoke to Tom Ward in this morning about it.

1912
02:47:34,400 --> 02:47:37,800
He's been here for 23 years and this, for whatever reason,

1913
02:47:38,700 --> 02:47:43,160
the last six months this has been the most compliance that he has received on this particular issue.

1914
02:47:43,960 --> 02:47:59,240
One other question though, do we have any idea, I mean I assume for a good part of the east side of Solana Beach is actually not legal because of CC and ours, but do we have any idea how much of our city is actually already covered by bands that would be enforced through homeowner's association.

1915
02:47:59,980 --> 02:48:04,160
Well, there's not public right away, public roads.

1916
02:48:04,580 --> 02:48:05,140
Okay, so they can.

1917
02:48:06,380 --> 02:48:09,020
Okay, let's hear from our speaker.

1918
02:48:11,060 --> 02:48:11,720
Andy Smith.

1919
02:48:13,260 --> 02:48:14,320
Thank you.

1920
02:48:14,520 --> 02:48:16,200
Mayors and Council.

1921
02:48:17,780 --> 02:48:18,400
I actually agree.

1922
02:48:18,720 --> 02:48:19,880
You've got, I read the letter.

1923
02:48:20,200 --> 02:48:24,480
You've got a few people playing cat and mouse parking in the dense area, not using

1924
02:48:24,480 --> 02:48:25,080
their property.

1925
02:48:25,740 --> 02:48:31,840
My experience in Sloan Beach, whether it's people playing trailers with, you know, toy vehicles

1926
02:48:32,680 --> 02:48:36,560
or having RVs or having boats, is everyone's been really respectful.

1927
02:48:37,260 --> 02:48:42,320
They're respectful in terms of them preparing for a trip or, you know, coming back from

1928
02:48:42,320 --> 02:48:42,580
a trip.

1929
02:48:42,580 --> 02:48:45,820
And neighbors work it out amongst themselves.

1930
02:48:46,360 --> 02:48:47,940
Now, what I highly recommend is,

1931
02:48:48,180 --> 02:48:50,580
look at the state of California and how they define

1932
02:48:50,580 --> 02:48:53,280
an oversized vehicle when we all buy our passes

1933
02:48:53,280 --> 02:48:54,580
the use of state beaches.

1934
02:48:55,180 --> 02:48:58,420
Whether it's going to be Sanilejo or C-side,

1935
02:48:58,720 --> 02:49:02,720
they define an oversized vehicle as 25 feet or larger.

1936
02:49:03,220 --> 02:49:04,640
And that includes a pickup truck,

1937
02:49:04,860 --> 02:49:06,900
pulling a trailer or a standalone vehicle,

1938
02:49:07,340 --> 02:49:08,520
or nine feet or a wider.

1939
02:49:08,960 --> 02:49:11,360
That capture is most of the large vehicles.

1940
02:49:11,360 --> 02:49:17,080
When you put up your RV, your challenge is, what about a Volkswagen van again?

1941
02:49:17,460 --> 02:49:22,100
Those according to the MV are at RV and according to the financing laws, you can finance

1942
02:49:22,100 --> 02:49:26,880
over 20 years because it has certain aspects to it that allow you to consider to be a second

1943
02:49:26,880 --> 02:49:27,380
home.

1944
02:49:28,480 --> 02:49:31,960
There are Mercedes-Base Sprinters, all right, I know three in our neighborhood.

1945
02:49:33,020 --> 02:49:35,140
We, they're used as daily commuters.

1946
02:49:35,660 --> 02:49:39,080
They can be outfitted as a passenger van or many times as a camper.

1947
02:49:39,080 --> 02:49:45,540
I happen to have one that's up if it is a camper. It can be used as a regular use vehicle, and I can choose to use mine daily.

1948
02:49:46,960 --> 02:49:55,060
People who have these vehicles, they are 7 and a half feet wide. They're narrower than a suburban. They are narrower than a duly pickup.

1949
02:49:55,580 --> 02:49:59,660
They are 23 feet long, which is shorter than a suburban and likewise.

1950
02:50:00,000 --> 02:50:04,180
The are smaller than a four-door pickup truck.

1951
02:50:05,680 --> 02:50:07,920
Folks like us, we're not causing the problem here.

1952
02:50:08,800 --> 02:50:15,060
We park our vehicles in front of our houses oftentimes in the offset, not on the pavement.

1953
02:50:15,680 --> 02:50:17,740
We work with our neighbors, so they're not in sight.

1954
02:50:18,580 --> 02:50:23,660
We have neighbors who have vehicles that you get into this parking police issue.

1955
02:50:23,860 --> 02:50:27,420
We have neighbors who may have a convertible that's used once a year.

1956
02:50:27,420 --> 02:50:33,000
that's undercover that you could see as unsightly versus a brand new one or two year old Mercedes

1957
02:50:33,000 --> 02:50:37,320
Sprinter or Vanigan. It's not so much about that. It's about neighbors treating each other

1958
02:50:37,320 --> 02:50:42,880
with respect. So I just urge you all to take it in a more as a case-by-case basis because there are

1959
02:50:42,880 --> 02:50:48,540
people who will go park in areas, I think, is, well, these are apartments, no one will notice

1960
02:50:48,540 --> 02:50:54,220
they can't park it near their homes within 400 feet as per some roles. But I would start with

1961
02:50:54,220 --> 02:51:00,380
oversized vehicles versus RV versus boat versus one or another because again you could be in

1962
02:51:00,380 --> 02:51:05,140
the same room arguing about someone has a work truck with a work trailer that they park

1963
02:51:05,140 --> 02:51:09,760
oftentimes in front of their house because that's your livelihood and if it works out with

1964
02:51:09,760 --> 02:51:14,880
their neighbors I think you should allow that if the park a work truck again in front of apartments

1965
02:51:14,880 --> 02:51:20,000
done in Nardo and it's taking parking spaces away from others I don't think that's appropriate

1966
02:51:20,000 --> 02:51:24,760
So it becomes a little bit more case-by-case, so that's my recommendation go case-by-case

1967
02:51:24,760 --> 02:51:29,960
but likewise consider what's oversized vehicle versus not oversized vehicle because it's really

1968
02:51:29,960 --> 02:51:35,720
about parking and and that's gonna really address your needs more than is an RV or a boat or a trailer.

1969
02:51:36,180 --> 02:51:37,520
That's all. Thanks.

1970
02:51:38,040 --> 02:51:39,080
Thank you.

1971
02:51:39,780 --> 02:51:43,200
Okay, I'm cancel, let's discuss Mr. Nicole.

1972
02:51:43,200 --> 02:51:47,320
I just a comment question based on what we just heard.

1973
02:51:48,500 --> 02:51:50,880
So this is all basically complaint driven.

1974
02:51:50,880 --> 02:51:54,480
I think you said code enforcement's not going around

1975
02:51:54,480 --> 02:51:57,420
chalk and tires looking for this problem.

1976
02:51:58,640 --> 02:52:03,140
So to the speaker's point, it largely would be case by case

1977
02:52:03,140 --> 02:52:04,880
because it would be someone calling and saying

1978
02:52:04,880 --> 02:52:07,020
to the neighbors, it is the neighbors.

1979
02:52:09,200 --> 02:52:09,680
Let me sense.

1980
02:52:10,700 --> 02:52:11,320
Mr. Zito.

1981
02:52:18,060 --> 02:52:22,780
Yeah, so I actually grew with the comments, the speaker made, I'm more interested in looking

1982
02:52:22,780 --> 02:52:24,960
at oversized vehicles than opposed to small campers.

1983
02:52:25,760 --> 02:52:29,360
It's the things that are the eye sort of that are being used for storage on our public

1984
02:52:29,360 --> 02:52:30,020
streets.

1985
02:52:31,520 --> 02:52:37,020
I'll be interested to hear what other people, the opinions of, I think it would be a long

1986
02:52:37,020 --> 02:52:41,400
order of having a way that people are complaining that we could easily enforce it.

1987
02:52:42,020 --> 02:52:53,480
That's a little bit more effective than what we have today, which is something, you know, if somebody gets a complaint, they could just go move it and then suddenly 24 hours later is in a different spot and so you can't take it them anymore.

1988
02:52:55,200 --> 02:53:04,980
My thoughts would be, you know, perhaps a program where it was restricted overnight parking and then a permit based day-type parking activity.

1989
02:53:04,980 --> 02:53:14,940
It would be permanent, so you could get a certain, you know, if you have guests coming from out of town you could get them a permit or something like that, so they could actually have a place to park their vehicle for a while.

1990
02:53:15,080 --> 02:53:23,180
I think most people who have really large vehicles should be expecting to be able to score them somewhere else rather than on the public streets.

1991
02:53:23,540 --> 02:53:24,460
That's just my opinion.

1992
02:53:25,840 --> 02:53:27,840
So those are some of my initial thoughts.

1993
02:53:29,920 --> 02:53:40,040
Okay, well, I actually am interested in this because I've seen too many RVs parked around whether they're considered oversized or just our RVs or whatever

1994
02:53:40,040 --> 02:53:45,120
They are using the same manner and they just sit there for a very long period of time

1995
02:53:45,600 --> 02:53:51,580
And whether they're pretty in high inexpensive or, you know, ugly and unsightly is not my concern

1996
02:53:51,580 --> 02:53:55,400
It's just that they are there and they are blocking things in there

1997
02:53:55,400 --> 02:54:04,520
They're using the streets to partner to park their vehicle rather than on their driveway or in a storage unit or whatever.

1998
02:54:05,000 --> 02:54:22,400
So I'd like to see some, you know, permit-based types of things, ours, whatever you think, whatever you think is not just enforceable, but fair to neighbors, so that there are not.

1999
02:54:22,400 --> 02:54:29,560
Are these which seem to be more and more popular? I'm not sure what this is just parked in the right of way, and

2000
02:54:29,560 --> 02:54:32,960
You know, maybe move to a couple feet a day if that becomes an issue

2001
02:54:32,960 --> 02:54:35,880
I don't I don't want that to be the way to get out of it.

2002
02:54:38,950 --> 02:54:41,090
Do you know if because nobody else is pushing this speaker button?

2003
02:54:42,310 --> 02:54:44,450
Mr. Z. Do you know if you do want to say more?

2004
02:54:45,690 --> 02:54:49,290
We don't need a motion right we just right across this information

2005
02:54:49,690 --> 02:54:51,850
I want a new button. There's what I want to say. Yeah

2006
02:54:53,830 --> 02:54:59,870
I'll just have one point, so at this point I have no interest in providing any new regulations for private properties, I mean, I think people

2007
02:55:00,640 --> 02:55:26,860
We all above and beyond what we do. I assume if somebody parks a vehicle on the middle of their lawn in the front yard, that actually is probably something that could eventually be a code enforcement issue already, but with respect to new regulations, it's mostly the streets and potentially right away is the mayor said that would be some of interest to me. Unfortunately, we only have feedback from two council members to be nice to have at last, at least three if there were to see if there are others interested.

2008
02:55:26,860 --> 02:55:28,140
Okay, Mr. Nichols.

2009
02:55:28,660 --> 02:55:29,920
Yeah, I gave a little feedback.

2010
02:55:30,800 --> 02:55:31,240
Do you want more?

2011
02:55:31,760 --> 02:55:32,360
I agree.

2012
02:55:33,100 --> 02:55:35,060
You know, I think you'd limit it to the streets.

2013
02:55:35,180 --> 02:55:35,800
You don't limit it.

2014
02:55:36,180 --> 02:55:40,040
The private property alone, if somebody was to part there RV, or I think you need to work

2015
02:55:40,040 --> 02:55:44,420
on the definition of what recreational vehicle means, or oversized vehicle means, and

2016
02:55:44,420 --> 02:55:46,140
tie it to the vehicle code.

2017
02:55:46,140 --> 02:55:54,040
So we don't have any arguments between what is what, but I think the minimal effect is probably

2018
02:55:54,040 --> 02:55:58,520
the most desired something that you could incrementally grow if it doesn't address the problem,

2019
02:55:58,820 --> 02:56:07,920
but giving it's giving neighbors an ability to call in versus having, don't make it a

2020
02:56:07,920 --> 02:56:11,320
code enforcement, seek and destroy kind of thing, you know, they're just out with and purchase.

2021
02:56:13,160 --> 02:56:19,440
I think if you're going to do the permit thing, you got to make it super easy and it's got to be

2022
02:56:20,100 --> 02:56:24,280
And it's got to be just almost like you could do it on the city's website, just register.

2023
02:56:24,840 --> 02:56:28,940
Hey, I've got friends or family or I'm parking my RV on the city street.

2024
02:56:29,140 --> 02:56:30,000
Here's my address.

2025
02:56:30,840 --> 02:56:33,700
It can be free in my opinion.

2026
02:56:33,960 --> 02:56:37,440
Make it so it's like people know that you're doing it.

2027
02:56:38,200 --> 02:56:39,320
And otherwise, no way is going to do it.

2028
02:56:39,360 --> 02:56:41,900
Then you're going to do the whole thing if like having neighbors call and come by.

2029
02:56:43,480 --> 02:56:43,520
Yeah.

2030
02:56:43,940 --> 02:56:44,640
That's my opinion.

2031
02:56:44,960 --> 02:56:45,720
I think it is easy.

2032
02:56:46,020 --> 02:56:46,400
Thanks.

2033
02:56:48,880 --> 02:56:56,080
I guess I don't know how many complaints we've had, how many different RVs are there, I don't see the issue.

2034
02:56:56,900 --> 02:57:01,700
We have a 24 hour parking regulation for RVs.

2035
02:57:01,780 --> 02:57:04,100
I think neighbors should be able to work it out.

2036
02:57:04,360 --> 02:57:06,920
I mean, they have to move it every 24 hours.

2037
02:57:07,900 --> 02:57:08,600
I don't know.

2038
02:57:08,760 --> 02:57:11,760
I don't think we need an extra ordinance for RVs at this point.

2039
02:57:12,200 --> 02:57:14,620
It's, I don't see 20 RVs parked out,

2040
02:57:14,720 --> 02:57:16,280
but you're kind of in the summer time.

2041
02:57:18,020 --> 02:57:18,780
Thank you.

2042
02:57:19,360 --> 02:57:20,840
I'm not going again, and I just wanted to say,

2043
02:57:21,000 --> 02:57:22,400
I personally do have a problem with boats,

2044
02:57:22,700 --> 02:57:24,600
parking the, and there are people's front lawns,

2045
02:57:24,720 --> 02:57:27,860
do we have an ordinance on that or something on that?

2046
02:57:28,260 --> 02:57:29,100
It's the same thing.

2047
02:57:29,140 --> 02:57:30,040
If it's on the street,

2048
02:57:30,240 --> 02:57:32,880
they can only park there for two hours,

2049
02:57:33,280 --> 02:57:35,480
but if they're on the actual property,

2050
02:57:35,880 --> 02:57:36,800
then no, we don't.

2051
02:57:37,020 --> 02:57:37,420
So, that.

2052
02:57:38,580 --> 02:57:38,900
Okay.

2053
02:57:39,460 --> 02:57:40,780
So, I kind of falls into the same thing.

2054
02:57:40,780 --> 02:57:43,420
by the way, or the public right away.

2055
02:57:43,940 --> 02:57:47,000
It's a distinction between their driveway and their front yard

2056
02:57:47,000 --> 02:57:48,680
or their front yard or no.

2057
02:57:48,760 --> 02:57:49,320
No, no.

2058
02:57:50,080 --> 02:57:53,380
Well, I have to say that bothers me because I have that happen

2059
02:57:53,380 --> 02:57:54,720
in our neighborhood for a long time.

2060
02:57:54,840 --> 02:57:57,800
Most people have since moved out, but it's pretty unsightly.

2061
02:57:58,360 --> 02:58:00,500
And does not really look like Slon Beach.

2062
02:58:01,700 --> 02:58:06,340
OK, seeing nobody else up, I think we've given enough direction.

2063
02:58:07,000 --> 02:58:08,520
Thank you very much for looking into that.

2064
02:58:08,540 --> 02:58:09,860
Thank you for bringing it up, Mr. Zito.

2065
02:58:10,540 --> 02:58:17,580
now we are going to turn my own mic off. And now we're at work plan comments. I see none.

2066
02:58:17,980 --> 02:58:23,540
Compensation reimbursement disclosures. I see none. Council committee reports.

2067
02:58:25,520 --> 02:58:27,300
I have something to report.

2068
02:58:31,230 --> 02:58:37,510
So we have a, well one, I'll briefly mention even though it didn't meet that I mentioned a little bit beforehand

2069
02:58:37,510 --> 02:58:44,430
that the Coastal Commission met today on the application of the San Diego River Park JPA to keep

2070
02:58:44,430 --> 02:58:50,950
the boardwalk in place that exists there and unfortunately on a 55-type vote the Coastal

2071
02:58:50,950 --> 02:58:54,150
Commission was not able to take any action. So I'm assuming that'll come back to the River

2072
02:58:54,150 --> 02:58:59,410
Valley JPA but it looks like there's a good chance that boardwalk will have to come out at this

2073
02:58:59,410 --> 02:59:05,070
point which is really sad because it's pretty much 100% of the public and that is the opposite

2074
02:59:05,070 --> 02:59:09,170
opinion of that. So that's one update with respect to the San

2075
02:59:09,170 --> 02:59:16,670
Alejo JPA. In the last meeting we had on Monday, we did authorize the

2076
02:59:16,670 --> 02:59:20,350
general manager to enter an interview in agreement or at least it'll come back

2077
02:59:20,350 --> 02:59:24,650
a budgeting time to take over management of the Delmar pump station, which will

2078
02:59:24,650 --> 02:59:33,350
be the pump station that will be feeding into our JPA. And when they start when we

2079
02:59:33,350 --> 02:59:37,570
are taking their waste water in a couple of years, or in a year, I mean, about a roughly

2080
02:59:37,570 --> 02:59:37,970
year.

2081
02:59:38,190 --> 02:59:40,290
But I think that's a good thing.

2082
02:59:40,750 --> 02:59:47,130
The other thing that came up was that we also decided to authorize the other two other

2083
02:59:47,130 --> 02:59:51,630
agencies, the Santa Fe Currication District, and the Santa Guida Water District, to jointly

2084
02:59:51,630 --> 02:59:57,810
do a study on portable rease of water and the waste water.

2085
02:59:57,810 --> 02:59:59,970
and we're going to be looking at what options.

2086
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:10,480
We have to actually be able to recycle more water and make it available for bottle reuse and in reservoir that's a little bit further away from us.

2087
03:00:10,700 --> 03:00:14,080
That's pretty exciting. I think this is pretty cool stuff.

2088
03:00:14,080 --> 03:00:19,420
very cool. Councilmember Marshall do you have anything else? Nichols? Anything?

2089
03:00:21,440 --> 03:00:22,040
Mr. Nichols?

2090
03:00:23,420 --> 03:00:26,200
Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. You talk.

2091
03:00:26,420 --> 03:00:29,220
I was going to say we can both talk about the 22nd Ag District meeting.

2092
03:00:29,900 --> 03:00:32,800
Yeah. That was what today's go?

2093
03:00:33,120 --> 03:00:33,620
Just yesterday.

2094
03:00:34,020 --> 03:00:34,360
Yesterday.

2095
03:00:34,820 --> 03:00:35,180
Yesterday.

2096
03:00:36,380 --> 03:00:42,240
And we had a presentation by a private event planning group

2097
03:00:42,240 --> 03:00:47,400
and they have a large, music-fast, three-day music-fast

2098
03:00:47,400 --> 03:00:50,020
coming to the Fairgrounds in November, called September.

2099
03:00:50,020 --> 03:00:52,960
September, called Cabal. Cabu. Cabu.

2100
03:00:53,900 --> 03:00:56,260
You can go to their website, but I warn you if you go there.

2101
03:00:56,660 --> 03:01:00,580
Not everything that's on there is, it's going to make you maybe go a little bit too excited

2102
03:01:00,580 --> 03:01:02,980
because they're going to clean it up and they'll be addressed some of the issues

2103
03:01:02,980 --> 03:01:06,100
because it looks like it's going to be a part of a 3 a.m.

2104
03:01:06,740 --> 03:01:10,880
Every night, and I guess it will be until 2.30, but some of it will be indoors,

2105
03:01:10,880 --> 03:01:17,080
but it's going to be quite an event and you already bought ticket? It's expensive.

2106
03:01:20,660 --> 03:01:24,840
It's going to be interesting and it's part of the economic study that's going to be

2107
03:01:24,840 --> 03:01:30,780
done. It'll be included in that. That's part of the settlement agreement with the Fairgrounds

2108
03:01:30,780 --> 03:01:35,600
over the master plan that happened many, many years ago. They were going to do economic feasibility

2109
03:01:35,600 --> 03:01:41,820
or economic impact study on Del Marsilana Beach and they presented some of the information on that

2110
03:01:41,820 --> 03:01:45,320
and some of the different times of the year that they're going to look at that one will

2111
03:01:45,320 --> 03:01:49,400
include this event, others will include obviously the fair and the racetrack and some of the other

2112
03:01:49,400 --> 03:01:56,120
more highly attended shows or events there so you need an impact on our community at what it costs

2113
03:01:56,120 --> 03:02:01,440
or the benefits of the fair and that will give us maybe some standing to have an conversation

2114
03:02:01,440 --> 03:02:08,920
with the Fair Board about some, I don't know, I want to say compensation, but some offsets.

2115
03:02:09,060 --> 03:02:13,620
Some of the issues we have with public safety, traffic, noise, lights, things that are

2116
03:02:13,620 --> 03:02:16,740
heard in our people living nearby there and people living in the community complaining about

2117
03:02:16,740 --> 03:02:18,480
to us on a semi-regular basis.

2118
03:02:19,500 --> 03:02:25,420
It was a good meeting, it was an interesting meeting about the event and members of the public

2119
03:02:25,420 --> 03:02:29,300
are interested, go to the website, but we have invited them to come and give a presentation

2120
03:02:29,300 --> 03:02:34,220
to the city and hopefully they'll be able to come and give us maybe like a 10-minute run

2121
03:02:34,220 --> 03:02:38,580
down on what is going to be, but it's going to be quite an undertaking on their part.

2122
03:02:39,440 --> 03:02:44,120
Yeah, I'll just add a couple of things to that. It's expecting 40,000 people a day for three days,

2123
03:02:44,520 --> 03:02:47,780
which is, it was pointed out as the same number of people who attend opening day,

2124
03:02:48,180 --> 03:02:52,660
but they'll be coming not just all at one time like they do for opening day the races to get there

2125
03:02:52,660 --> 03:02:57,840
before post time. They'll be arriving and departing at different times. You'll be parking,

2126
03:02:57,840 --> 03:03:01,140
reserve parking at different lots throughout the city and we're

2127
03:03:01,140 --> 03:03:06,780
throughout the the sub region here and they do have camping but the

2128
03:03:06,780 --> 03:03:11,640
camping is called glamping and glamour camping and you could rent safari

2129
03:03:11,640 --> 03:03:18,580
tents or rock star RVs yeah that's for darn sure for between 18,000 and 25,000

2130
03:03:18,580 --> 03:03:24,480
dollars for the three days so yeah I don't think it's going to be Coachella at the

2131
03:03:24,480 --> 03:03:27,220
Del Mar fairgrounds I think it's going to be a different demographic that

2132
03:03:28,140 --> 03:03:35,040
looking at, on music, we'll shut down or go indoors by 10pm. In fact, the only one stage with music,

2133
03:03:35,080 --> 03:03:39,900
it's actually going to be a disco. It sounds like to me after 10pm and then a comedian in

2134
03:03:39,900 --> 03:03:47,400
another location. There's going to be gourmet food and this whole area called indulgences where

2135
03:03:47,400 --> 03:03:52,500
men can get a shave and women can get their hair blown dry and I'm massage and I'm so ferocious

2136
03:03:52,500 --> 03:03:58,120
I don't know what it's going to be art and so you can hear music and do all of this stuff.

2137
03:03:58,320 --> 03:04:04,940
It's Kabu, K-A-A-B-O-O, and they said the name came about after a bunch of booze.

2138
03:04:05,120 --> 03:04:07,520
I have to tell Markelson we have no idea what it comes,

2139
03:04:07,960 --> 03:04:10,420
stands for whatever, but it sounds like a slowed board.

2140
03:04:11,420 --> 03:04:14,720
So anyway, we're going to be meeting with our staff and Delmar staff.

2141
03:04:14,780 --> 03:04:17,180
I'm going to come here and present. It's quite interesting.

2142
03:04:17,420 --> 03:04:20,660
I think people will attend it. It's going to be probably very well-attended.

2143
03:04:20,660 --> 03:04:23,360
It's just making sure that we get the word out about what's going on.

2144
03:04:23,860 --> 03:04:27,020
Yeah, definitely something that is new to it.

2145
03:04:27,020 --> 03:04:28,540
Yeah, making the city manager choke.

2146
03:04:30,200 --> 03:04:30,220
Yeah.

2147
03:04:31,360 --> 03:04:34,420
And then last, in one other meeting, we did have a public arts meeting.

2148
03:04:35,160 --> 03:04:39,880
It was very brief, and we talked about the public arts commission is exploring the possibility

2149
03:04:39,880 --> 03:04:44,320
of murals throughout town, including the side of city hall.

2150
03:04:45,600 --> 03:04:48,080
So let them continue to explore that.

2151
03:04:48,080 --> 03:04:50,560
and I just wanted to bring it to the council's attention

2152
03:04:50,560 --> 03:04:53,760
and they presented some mock-ups of what it could be

2153
03:04:53,760 --> 03:04:56,280
and we get some direction and we'll see what it goes.

2154
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Okay, I see nothing else, I'll show you in the meeting.

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Goodnight.