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[10:02] What
[11:07] evening everybody? This is the regular council meeting of the Solana Beach City Council.
[11:14] But the records show that council members on is absent. All other members are present.
[11:20] We were in close session, city attorney. Is there anything to report?
[11:23] No, our portable action mayor. Thank you. Please join me in the flag salute by standing and placing your hand over your heart.
[11:29] Ready begin.
[11:31] Congratulations to the flag.
[11:34] I will not say it's not there.
[11:36] I'm holding a note of which is saying,
[11:38] why nation, aoukendai, and invisible,
[11:42] who've ever given justice for us is
[11:55] different.
[11:56] City manager, there are any changes to the agenda.
[11:59] There are no changes.
[12:00] Okay, I mean, I have a motion to approve the agenda
[12:03] as dated Mr. Zito.
[12:05] And we have a second.
[12:09] Miss Marshall, thank you very much,
[12:10] please press the second button.
[12:12] And let's vote.
[12:16] The agenda is approved for zero with one absent.
[12:20] Okay, we have no proclamations, but I hear we have a presentation by Dr.
[12:24] Sunny Cook, if she's here, is Dr. Cook here?
[12:28] She's just trying to find her.
[12:29] Okay, all right, so let's see, we'll go on to oral communications and do we have any oral
[12:35] communications speakers?
[12:37] Yeah.
[12:37] Okay, oral communications is the period of time where speakers can address the
[12:41] Council on topics that are not on the agenda. We cannot do much about it. We can only talk
[12:46] to the City Manager now to put it on a future agenda at this that time. You have three
[12:50] minutes and three minutes only to speak. Watch the lights, green means go, yellow means you
[12:54] have one minute, and red means please conclude. First speaker. First speaker, Storgen Johnson.
[13:07] Thank you, City Council, for this opportunity to speak. I promise you updates on the Santa
[13:12] No free issue, and I'm only bringing this to your attention in a public forum.
[13:17] Basically,
[13:19] the decommissioning plan has a weak component to it, a very dangerous component
[13:24] to it that a number of nuclear experts and citizen groups are challenging, has to do with
[13:30] the spent fuel storage.
[13:33] There's going to be 1,630 metric tons of most dangerous material on the planet, a stored
[13:40] 100 feet from the bluff edge in 51 toned canisters in what's called the UMAX storage system.
[13:46] This system is got a thin wall to it.
[13:49] It's only proven to be about 20 to 30 years safe.
[13:53] The NRG's planion storing this fuel in our region indefinitely up to 300 years.
[14:00] The manufacturer of this cask says that hairline cracks in this casher they occur, could release
[14:06] millions of curries of radiation into the environment through a convection cooling.
[14:10] open-air system that these casks are designed to self-cool.
[14:17] What we're asking for the City Council to do is to put this issue on the agenda so we
[14:22] can discuss it, bring in some experts as we've done before.
[14:25] There are a number of other cities who have signed resolutions asking only that the public
[14:40] canisters. And we're asking for a real valuation of the safety of these things. We're going
[14:45] to be living with this fuel for about 300 years. The reason why it's relevant to everybody in
[14:49] this room, anybody who wants property or bases or life out of this region, spend fuel, poor fires,
[14:56] spent fuel cast fires are extremely dangerous in cause.
[15:06] I'd like to put on the agenda if you would. And thank you for all the work that you've done on this so far.
[15:18] Thank you. Council.
[15:21] I actually would be interested in putting this on the agenda. Anybody else?
[15:25] Okay, thank you. Next speaker, please. Steve Astro?
[15:35] Madam Mayor, members of the council.
[15:38] As a member of the Salana Beats, see leaders club.
[15:44] We promote the gardening and beautification at various Salana Beats sites.
[15:52] And we have been exploring another community garden in Salana Beats for several years.
[15:59] Our obvious dilemma has always been the question of where and how do we ever afford the land
[16:07] costs if it's not on public property.
[16:12] A new number of our club has approached us and actually we were looking to see whether or not
[16:19] she was wearing angel wings because it does not happen very often.
[16:25] She is not a archangel, but she just said that her family were long, long time residents
[16:35] of Selanabic since the 50s and they desire to enhance the quality of life for all people,
[16:44] including those people who don't own a backyard and are able to plant.
[16:49] Elizabeth Kramer and her family, they've owned the vacant light on Rosa for since the 1950s,
[16:57] and desiring the community spirit, over personal profit, the dream is to create a community
[17:05] garden where approximately 15 to 20 families without a backyard can grow their own vegetables,
[17:12] had a nominal cost, and I'm requesting and the seaweed is requesting that the council do everything
[17:18] it's power to help realize this vision.
[17:24] We, as some members of the council are aware,
[17:29] community guns is not really addressed in our general plan and I know that we are about
[17:37] ready to address that. The cramers have approached their neighbors and neighbors and there is no
[17:47] So I'm just guessing that this situation really has never
[17:52] risen in Salana Beach before, because the altruism of somebody offering
[17:57] their land, and I know it's in residential zone, it's never come before us.
[18:02] I would just request that the council do everything within their power at minimal costs
[18:09] and fees to assist the cramers in their vision about realizing this community garden.
[18:15] Thank you.
[18:17] Thank you very much, Mr. Officer, we have a seat.
[18:19] We did meet with Ms. Cramer, we're aware of her desires and her request, and we expect
[18:24] to see her at the Work Plan meeting next Wednesday night where in the Council will be given
[18:27] direction to the City Manager of what to work on.
[18:30] We've already given some general direction about agriculture in Sloane Beach to give a look
[18:34] at that.
[18:35] Do we have any other speakers?
[18:36] Katie Palisec.
[18:48] Hello, I know Bill Mayer and Council members.
[18:50] I'm Katie Palisec, I've been a resident of Sloane Beach for 21 years.
[18:54] I am thrilled with all the improvements that the city has made recently including the
[19:00] Fletcher Cove Park and Community Center, the Coastal Rail Trail, the 101-Corder
[19:05] Improvements. Recently my husband and I went to Fletcher Cove Community Park to watch the
[19:12] sunset and I'm here tonight to just tell you what I saw that evening and give you some
[19:18] feedback.
[19:21] The community center was rented by a private group and they were having a wedding
[19:24] and everybody was well behaved and well dressed and it looked like an awesome event until I
[19:29] got around back and saw that the guests were prohibited from approaching the permanent fence
[19:37] along the bluff to watch the sunset. There was a temporary barricade set up around the patio and the
[19:44] and the wedding guests appear to be sitting behind these bars, and I just felt so sorry for their wedding photographer who no matter which way he went with his camera, he had these iron bars.
[20:00] To contend with. And it just for me, it just made me sad that that was the result of, you know, the vote that we, that we all made to say that it was okay for wedding parties to have champagne and stuff, but yet they were going to have ugly wedding photos. So I am asking the city council to make it a priority at a future meeting to remedy this barricade policy and come up with a more beautiful and welcoming solutions so that we,
[20:30] It can be proud of this beautiful facility that we have and the sunset views and allow the guests at the wedding to approach the and get the best views that are possible rather than be stuck behind these barricades.
[20:44] So, that's all I have. Any questions for me?
[20:47] Now you may have a thank you.
[20:49] It is a public area and so the public has to have access to that and that's part of what it was.
[20:54] Mr. Zito?
[20:56] I have just a bit of clarification, I would assume that members of the party that are as long
[21:01] as they weren't carrying alcohol could go enjoy the public spaces and meaning that they could
[21:06] go out.
[21:06] The on the bars and take photos if they wanted to.
[21:08] They just can't go.
[21:09] The bars are there because of the alcohol.
[21:11] Yeah, you can't bring your alcohol.
[21:12] They can't bring their drinks, but if they wanted to, they should be able to go outside
[21:15] and take whatever photos they want because it is public space.
[21:19] Any other speakers?
[21:21] Yes.
[21:21] Last speaker.
[21:22] I ran at Grandbrook,
[21:31] good evening, I'm being a Grandbrook and I lived in Solana Beach for 38 years on Delcourt, and I'm here as another member of the sea readers.
[21:42] We're interested in increasing the beauty and of the city.
[21:47] And this is the last minute response to a newspaper article that appeared in the Union Tribune about what Delmar did with their voluntary fine.
[21:57] We're thinking of currently cutting the one down because it presents and it's ugly and it's dangerous
[22:03] But here's another thought if I could get some five
[22:12] This will show that what was in the union tribune?
[22:21] Okay, thank you. So the union tribune is showing a local sculptor who's making a sculpture out of out of their dentory and
[22:30] Someone in the club saw it today. It's a great idea and this sculptor is as offered to do the same treatment to ours without a cost and the best thing is
[22:42] We wouldn't have to spend money on it and if we didn't like it
[22:46] I'm sure we could arrange to deal with it
[22:49] Okay, so here's our tree and apparently
[22:52] needs to be taken down.
[22:59] Here it is again. There's a lot of tree there for carving. So
[23:05] we would ask that you that maybe cut off what you need to cut off. Save as much as you can.
[23:12] Let the sculptor come and give him six months to make something out of it. We can always cut it down.
[23:23] If we make that arrangement with the artist, but his name is Tim Richards, and he carved
[23:35] a red-tailed hawk in Delmar, that was killed by the same marked deals as ours.
[23:42] So you can't make a decision now, but it's good idea to think about it, and I have a great
[23:47] idea for what to do with that money that we saved.
[23:50] Think more public gardens in odd unusual places like, I'll tell you next month.
[23:58] You have a minute, Irene. Does anyone have any questions?
[24:01] You have a minute left if you want to tell us.
[24:03] But we have a minute. Tell you? Yeah.
[24:07] I'm thinking of the way North Reels juts into Sanalihol.
[24:16] It's so unsafe.
[24:19] People I was there when a group was going down on Saturday.
[24:22] There was slip sliding along that very steep.
[24:27] What is that decomposed granite trail holding onto the railing?
[24:31] I called someone over at Sanalihol.
[24:33] Okay, that's all you can tell us.
[24:34] we will. Thanks, you're in it. We'll hear from the board. Okay, thanks very much.
[24:41] I'll see you later. Okay. That's all of our, okay, is Dr. Sunny Cook here. Wonderful. There you are. Please,
[24:50] the podium.
[24:54] It's okay. You had no idea that we would have a full house and not I did not.
[24:58] All right. I'm glad to see you all.
[25:00] Thank you for this time. I was trying to bring the three trustees up with me that are also here. So I have the chair, Vice Chair of our Board, Dave Broad. I have also George McNeill and then Trustee Rick Kassar, who represents a lot of each of these areas. I thought I'd bring a mirror cost to college.
[25:15] It is a mirror because the college, and I've had the privilege of serving as a president since January of this year, and wanted to come and talk to you a little bit about two exciting things that are happening in our college really to meet community needs.
[25:26] And one of them is that we have been selected in a very competitive process to be one of 12
[25:32] community colleges in the state that have been chosen to offer a be offer a baccalaureate degree.
[25:38] So for your degree at our campus notion side that will be in a high demand workforce area and that is in bio manufacturing.
[25:46] So our intent is to have baccalaureate degrees that are that meet in incredible workforce demand where people can come to a program
[25:53] get a four-year degree in less than $11,000 for the total degree and you know if you're
[26:00] following college tuition and all that is a remarkable prize. It's like they cost them one year
[26:04] at a university. So our intent is to have folks complete that degree here and be employed in great
[26:10] well-paying jobs within the Biome Manufacturing Bioprocessing Industry right here in North County.
[26:15] So I wanted to make sure that you knew that that pilot begins. We get our final approval on Monday
[26:20] And then we would start to develop the curriculum with our industry partners and have that program the junior and senior levels available in 2017.
[26:28] We have about 200 people already in the first two years of that program.
[26:32] So they could certainly go on to the junior with us.
[26:35] Or we would also accept folks from other programs in other areas as well.
[26:39] So that's one of the two exciting things.
[26:41] The other one is a new technology career institute that we're opening in Crossbad next week.
[26:47] So we'll be moving in there, and that's to provide advanced manufacturing training, again, to meet a high demand community need in the high end machining, merit-time technologies, cybersecurity, homeland security, engineering technology, kinds of arenas, with incredible robotics equipment that our students will train on, and it's a facility that was made possible, a very large department of labor grant that the college was able to achieve.
[27:13] and also a contribution of facility space that is available to us in the City of Carlsbad.
[27:20] So wanted to make sure that you knew those two exciting things were happening.
[27:23] There certainly things that I think you would be interested in and maybe your residence as well.
[27:28] And finally, I think you'd be interested in the San Diego Eto School District and Miraculous Ecology
[27:33] have been in conversation for about, I would say a couple of years now, about really making sure that we partner effectively
[27:40] so that we can meet all of the needs of the adult education population very well in this area.
[27:46] It allows us an opportunity to offer equitable access to our services for those that need language skills or GED preparation,
[27:55] as well as lots of the fee-based offerings that are many of our seniors' partake of.
[28:00] So I want to make sure that you knew we were working in partnership with your school district to do that.
[28:04] So that is what I'm here for very nice to view if you all into CU and thank you for your time.
[28:10] Appreciate it. Thank you very much, Dr. Koch.
[28:12] Thank you.
[28:17] Show you what our community thinks we really appreciate the resource
[28:19] that miracles to colleges to all of us, very much.
[28:23] Thank you for being here to the trustees as well.
[28:26] Okay, so now we are on to council announcements.
[28:30] I have one mayor announcement.
[28:33] And that is a good thing.
[28:35] This is at the city received the community improvement project award
[28:38] from the American Society of Civil Engineers.
[28:40] The award was given for the Highway 101 Improvement Project and is one of only five
[28:45] Project awards given in San Diego County and Mo has the wonderful plaque. Yay. Very nice.
[28:53] Thank you. Good for us and I think we deserve it, right? Okay, I have no other.
[29:03] That's like the last time you guys can clap, you know. I'm just going to get us to the agenda.
[29:08] No clapping, you're booing, I'll be telling you.
[29:10] Any other council members have announcements.
[29:12] No. Council commentary? No. Okay, we're a silent group tonight. We're now on to consent calendar.
[29:19] The consent calendar is to be acted in a single action. The council,
[29:22] unless something is pulled for discussion, has any member of the public pulled anything in
[29:25] from the consent calendar? And any council members? No.
[29:29] So I have a motion on the board. Looks like for Mr. Nichols.
[29:32] He has a motion to approve consent.
[29:33] Thank you. Mr. Zito. Second. Please vote.
[29:41] That passes with one option for zero.
[29:46] Now we're on to public hearing.
[29:48] So I open the first public hearing and turn it over to the city manager.
[29:51] This is on the annual Housing Element Progress Report.
[29:55] Yes.
[29:55] Thank you, Mayor.
[29:56] Thank you, City Council.
[29:57] This is approved.
[29:58] It's set approved on 2015.
[30:00] You know, housing element. Progress report, Gaborunk Code requires that each city and county planning agency prepare an annual report on the status of the housing element.
[30:09] Can we put on the progress of the implementation of the policies in the element using the forums and definitions adopted by the State Department of Housing.
[30:17] The annual report is due April 1, so every year SB 375 has adopted and codified.
[30:23] requires that the annual report be considered at an annual public hearing before the City Council,
[30:28] the purpose of the report is to provide the report and for your consideration and request the council
[30:35] approval of the report after conducting this public hearing.
[30:38] But that Russell Brown is going to do his first presentation for you.
[30:45] Good evening Honorable Mayor, City Council members, City staff.
[30:48] Before you tonight is the 2015 Annual Housing Element Progress Report,
[30:57] so as a City Manager outstated, the State requires the City to submit
[31:01] the Annual Housing Element Progress Report to the Department of Housing
[31:07] and Community Development by April 1st after Council consideration and a public meeting.
[31:12] The current housing element was adopted on February 13, 2013, and certified by
[31:24] In 15 annual report provides a total number of and type of housing units that were issued building permits
[31:30] towards the region's regional housing needs assessment reporting period of January 1, 2010
[31:36] to December 31, 2020 in the city of Solana Beach.
[31:42] This report adds the annual update for the time period of January 1, 2014 to December 31, 2014.
[31:53] So, as mentioned previously, this green reporting period is from January 1, 2010, to December 31, 2020.
[32:05] During that time period, there have been 16 above moderate units, and one low unit.
[32:16] During this reporting period, there have been building permits issued for nine above moderate units.
[32:22] There have been four demolished units for a total increase of five drawing units for the city's housing stock.
[32:33] Table C and attachment one provides an itemized status report of the housing element implementation for 19 programs which were adopted with the city's housing element.
[32:42] The programs encourage the construction of new affordable housing, the preservation of existing affordable housing, and new housing and all income categories as identified in the housing element.
[32:53] So during 2014, there were five new housing projects received City Council approval, including
[32:59] three single family residences, mixed use project with ten very low income units on
[33:04] South Sierra Avenue, and two single family units in one duplex on Valley Avenue.
[33:09] Several active development applications proposing new housing units are in process, including
[33:14] without limited to two mixed use projects on Valley Avenue, including one with two apartment
[33:19] units, and a second with three single family units, both have received
[33:23] City Council approval.
[33:25] Four single family units on various street, also receiving City Council approval, and these
[33:30] received City Council approval in the year 2015, so that's why it's not being counted
[33:34] towards the 2014 numbers.
[33:36] In addition, there was a mixed use project with 31 units on South Sierra and Highway 101,
[33:41] just currently under staff reveal.
[33:45] In addition to that, there's two single family units.
[33:48] One located at 242 South Narrow, which is under staff reveal, in 684 via the LIA, which
[33:53] City Council has approved in the year 2015.
[33:57] As many of you are aware tonight,
[34:00] the Sloan Highlands Apartments has submitted an application
[34:02] to the City to demolish 194 existing apartment units
[34:06] in three single-family dwelling units,
[34:08] and it's placed 260 units of which 32 units
[34:11] are affordable are being proposed.
[34:16] In addition to that, two applications for tentative maps
[34:18] have been submitted in our under-review by city staff.
[34:21] The first application is for a vesting tentative map.
[34:24] consisting of five existing parcels located at a 500-block of South Nardo in which the applicant is proposing a reconfiguration to allow
[34:32] For 14 proposed parcels of which two would be affordable one would be an assessor living unit in the second would be an
[34:40] additional
[34:41] Affordable unit
[34:43] The second application is an existing parcel on Nardo
[34:46] I'm sorry on avocado place where the applicant is proposing seven parcels both the
[34:51] Both the applicants are not proposing dwelling units at this time
[34:56] So the Department of Recommendation is to conduct the public hearing, open the public hearing.
[35:00] We'll see if public testimony, close the public hearing, and secondly, adopt resolution 2015-025, and that concludes my presentation.
[35:09] I'm here if you have further questions.
[35:13] Well done, Russ. Thank you.
[35:14] Thank you very much.
[35:15] Now, many questions. I see no questions. Do we have any speakers on this item? No speakers on this item. Okay.
[35:23] So, what we would do now is close the public hearing, Mr. Zito?
[35:30] May I have a second please? Miss Marshall? Don't forget to push this vote via speak button.
[35:38] Okay.
[35:43] That passes for zero. The public hearing is closed. It's now the time for council discussion if there is any? Council.
[35:53] Mr. Zito?
[35:54] I'm not seeing much discussion, I'll make a motion to adopt resolution 2015-25 and find
[36:03] the project is on from SQL and improve the 2015 housing and progress report as stipulated
[36:08] in the staff report.
[36:09] Thank you, Mr. Nichols.
[36:12] Second, the motion and just a quick question of staff, city manager.
[36:16] I think it's 19 projects we have identified at what time or what's the appropriate time
[36:22] we go through and do that. Is that every five years or four years?
[36:25] As far as I think, take a look at those.
[36:27] Yeah, to evaluate whether or not they're still applicable if there's one that we should add.
[36:30] Yeah, it's usually out of five year.
[36:33] And then as we identified this one in year four or five, we'll be dealing with RFP.
[36:37] As directed and we'll bring that back to you.
[36:39] Yeah, to potential other opportunities.
[36:42] Just yes.
[36:43] Thank you.
[36:44] Okay.
[36:45] Okay. Very good.
[36:46] We have a motion second on the floor.
[36:48] I've seen no further discussion and no speakers.
[36:50] I will call for the vote.
[36:56] Item B1 passes unanimously with one absent for the yes.
[37:00] Okay, we're now on to item B2.
[37:02] The public hearing is open and I turn this over to the city manager.
[37:05] Thank you, Mayor.
[37:06] Thank you, City Council.
[37:07] This is a public hearing consideration request for a partial story.
[37:10] Pullaway for the proposed Solana Highlands project.
[37:13] The city of Solana Beach received an application for a development.
[37:16] Review permit and structural development permit on October 8 of 2014.
[37:20] Project Site consists of 13.4 acres on three parcels, and it's located at 661 to 781 South
[37:28] Naural Avenue, and 812 Stevens Avenue.
[37:31] The project site is currently developed with 194 multifamily residential units in 16 buildings
[37:38] in three additional residences.
[37:40] All existing residence units would be demolished in phasing and 2161.
[37:45] You want and two better apartments in 24 billion lines would be constructed with a recreation
[37:49] facility clubhouse building and a cool project also involves grading and re-contouring of
[37:56] the site proposed grading will increase the building pad elevations on some portions of the
[38:01] site and lower other areas portions of the site improve internal pedestrian vehicle circulation
[38:06] and the provision of on-site parking availability. Construction is being currently proposed to
[38:13] for three phases of repair of approximately 36 to 40 months.
[38:18] Projects exceeding 16 feet high are subject to the city's
[38:21] STB view process, which involves insulation of story poles.
[38:25] The city has received the request from the applicant for a waiver.
[38:29] From installing approximately two and a half percent of the story poles
[38:33] due to public safety issues, instead of the no 100 percent,
[38:37] I've done this before the council to provide the council
[38:40] and the public we information related to the basis of the request from the applicant for a partial
[38:45] waiver for some other storyfalls to conduct to at the public hearing and to consider the
[38:50] partial story for a whole waiver request. The project is not here for purposes of an overall
[38:54] project approval, but that I'm going to turn out to let's leave my off for the presentation.
[38:59] Thank you very much and before I turn it over to Leslie I just want to remind everybody here that
[39:03] this is a public hearing on the story pool waiver only not the project and that decorum is expected
[39:09] of all of you. No booing, no clapping, no vocalizations from the audience. Please give people the
[39:15] respect that they're due once we get to the public comment period. After we have
[39:19] the presentation by Les Lea, I'm going to make sure call for all of you to have your speaker
[39:23] slips in. So if you haven't received a speaker slip from the back table there, please grab a
[39:30] speaker slip, fill it in, and get it to the clerk Laticia over here, and you will have through
[39:36] period of the time when Leslie gives a presentation in the council ask questions and then we will close that.
[39:43] So please, if you're going to speak, please get your paper in, Leslie.
[39:47] Thank you, Mayor.
[39:48] Giving me the council members.
[39:52] The purpose of tonight's public hearing is to provide the public and the council with information regarding the basis of the applicant.
[40:00] We're also here to conduct the public hearing so that you can consider the applicants request for a waiver of some of the storypoles.
[40:10] Again, tonight's hearing is focused on the storypoles themselves, not the overall project.
[40:18] By way of summary, the existing Sloan Highlands Development Project is located on 13.4 acres at the southwest corner of South Nardo and Stevens Avenue.
[40:30] On site, there are currently 194 rental apartments, as well as three single-family homes.
[40:37] The project site is located within the high residential zone in a zone for 13 to 12.
[40:43] Excuse me, 13 to 20 dwelling units per acre.
[40:48] The proposed project includes 260 multifamily units, consisting of one and two bedroom units.
[40:55] The project includes 32 affordable units, and as proposed, the number of units would increase
[41:02] on-site by 32%.
[41:05] The applicant is also proposing 525 parking spaces on-site, which is an increase of 68%
[41:12] from the existing parking spaces, which currently total 311.
[41:17] In all, there are 25 buildings proposed, which would be two and three stories.
[41:22] And as was mentioned, there is quite a bit of grading that's proposed on site, the portions of the site would be lowered in elevation and other portions of the site would be reduced in elevation.
[41:36] The applicant has proposed to reduce their maximum requested height from 68 feet to 28 feet to 28 feet.
[41:44] And they are accommodating this request or this reduction rather by changing some of these slopes on the roofs on site.
[41:54] So currently the proposed maximum height would be approximately 58 feet above existing grade.
[41:59] The tallest proposed building is 57.62 feet and this will be a three-story building.
[42:05] It's identified as building number 22, which I'll show on a site plan coming up.
[42:11] Breaking down at 57.62 feet, the structure itself would be 35.42 feet and the fill would be 22.2 feet.
[42:21] Again, the fill materials for this pad and some of the other pads raise the elevation whereas excavation on site will be lowering some of the pad elevations.
[42:31] And just as a reminder, the city measures height as from the lower of either the existing or proposed future grade.
[42:39] The
[42:42] project would propose to reduce the number of dryways from 4 to 2 and increase parking to an average of two spaces per unit, including 253 on-site parking spaces, which should be garages.
[42:57] The applicant is also proposing traffic calming measures along South Nardo, and these are intended to slow down traffic and reduce average speeds.
[43:06] The applicant is proposing a phased demolition and construction plan that would run 36 to 40 months and generally proceed from West to East.
[43:20] This is just an overview of the site plan.
[43:25] This would be the new main entrance. This would be the second entrance.
[43:31] Building 22 is this building right here and that would be the tallest proposed building on site.
[43:37] The
[43:42] city's requirements for our story poles are contained in Solana Beach Municipal Code Section 17.63 and they require that all proposed structures that are greater than 16 feet in height as measured from the existing grade must be story poles.
[43:57] So an applicant is required to install story poles and obtain a structured development permit if any buildings are greater than 16 feet.
[44:04] The purpose of storypoles is to show the general outline and the height of proposed structures.
[44:10] And the storypoles system consists of the poles themselves, wires, or other means of connecting the poles,
[44:19] and then flags to increase the ability to see the proposed changes.
[44:24] In addition, the storypoles system includes three or more guy wires,
[44:31] which are essentially just metal wires that connects the poles to the ground and anchor them
[44:35] in place.
[44:40] During the process of locating the story poles on the ground, the surveyor and the
[44:47] applicant contact the city to let the city know that some of the poles were going to be located
[44:52] within the four site driveways, as well as fire lanes and parking spaces.
[45:00] We can't request that the city come outside to review this condition. It's the fire chief and the fire marshal and city staff conducted site visit in January and again in February to review the story poll locations as they were marked or spray painted on the ground.
[45:18] The fire chief and fire marshal determined that installing some of the polls would create a public safety hazard.
[45:24] In that emergency responders and personnel, as well as vehicles, would be unable to or have a very difficult time accessing the project site.
[45:36] This is just an example photo of what city staff went out and saw.
[45:41] So this is the main driveway, the existing main driveway, looking north out to South Nardo.
[45:49] Each one of these locations has a dot and then a story pole number, so this is pole 181,
[45:55] with a proposed height of 12.7 feet, and this is story pole 185, which would be 12.9, 12.9 feet tall.
[46:09] In addition to the story poles themselves, the support mechanism for the poles consists of a guy wire system that has a
[46:20] itself. So the story poles and the wire support systems would block all four
[46:27] project driveways. And approximately 400 plus residents would be affected with
[46:33] significant egress and ingress issues trying to access the site.
[46:40] In addition, the
[46:41] story poles would remove approximately 60 existing parking spaces on site. Therefore,
[46:47] the applicant has submitted a waiver request to the city to a waiver to install
[46:52] any polls that would create a public safety access related to egress and ingress to the existing site.
[47:01] This is an example of parking space that's affected. The blue dot indicates it's not a story
[47:08] poll itself that would be located but rather the guywire system would preclude the ability to
[47:14] park in this parking space.
[47:19] So the basis of the partial story poll request is summarized here.
[47:23] the story pole plan indicates that it should be 182 poles are required to story pole the project.
[47:32] I think that that's correctly cited in the staff report. Approximately 70% of the story poles
[47:37] can be installed without any problem, including the tallest building which can be fully story
[47:43] pulled. The remaining 30% of stoles would create potential public safety hazards by blocking
[47:50] fire lanes, driveways, and parking spaces.
[47:54] Given the public safety concerns and the practical difficulties and physical hardship
[48:01] of the literal enforcement of this provision of the Solana Beach Municipal Code, the applicant
[48:05] has requested a partial story poll waiver.
[48:12] This exhibit shows the polls that can be installed in green.
[48:19] So, again, this is a long-night-o, anything shown in green can be story-pulled.
[48:28] The dots that are shown in yellow are the ones that the applicant is seeking the waiver from installing.
[48:40] In reviewing the applicant's request, staff developed some draft conditions for your consideration.
[48:46] And these are intended to provide the public with the opportunity to understand the height and the bulk and the scale of the project, in lieu of citing or in lieu of installing all of the story poles.
[49:01] And the conditions here are that the applicant shall require shall produce a 3D digital visual model to show the project from surrounding off-site areas and key identified viewpoints.
[49:13] The second condition is that the applicant shall utilize temporary mobile lifts with a flagging and numbering system to simulate the poles that are not installed.
[49:25] The third condition is that the applicant shall host two community-story pole orientation site visits.
[49:31] One in the morning and one in the afternoon with some overlap to allow as many people to attend as possible.
[49:38] And then the fourth condition is that all story pole simulations, which are created by the mobile
[49:46] lift system, which you'll see in an upcoming slide, shall be photographed and numbered to correspond
[49:51] to the poles on a site plan.
[49:54] And these lifts will be available on site during the community orientation meetings.
[50:00] This is an example of what the mobile system would do.
[50:10] So this mobile lift would be positioned where a story pole would otherwise be located.
[50:17] Here's the number. This is story pole 102, and this flag would represent the top of that building.
[50:28] Staff has developed several options for the consideration which are listed here.
[50:33] Option one, approve the partial story poll waiver request and adopt resolution 2015-028.
[50:41] Option two is to deny the partial story poll waiver request.
[50:45] Option three is to provide alternative direction to the city council.
[50:51] It is staff's recommendation that you conduct the public hearing report counsel disclosures,
[50:57] received public testimony and closed the public hearing. And recommendation number two is to adopt
[51:03] resolution 2015-028 approving the applicant's request. And that concludes my presentation.
[51:10] Be happy to answer any questions. Thank you, Mr. President. Do I have any questions of counsel?
[51:30] Mr.
[51:30] the permanent story poles are going to be marked for both the height of the building and the
[51:35] grade proposed finished grade correct. Is there some way to accomplish that with the
[51:40] lift mechanism that you're proposing as well? So when we have the lift we could actually
[51:44] see where the finished grade would be and how accurate do we believe that the lift system
[51:49] is going to be. The official story poles are surveyed for a certified measurement. How close
[51:56] do we think the lift capability is? Yeah, well, well, I have that already sort of
[52:00] survey as well at that time. So let me make sure that if I
[52:05] The this 70% plus poles and the those poles will have special markings on them that will besides the numbering and and the you know
[52:14] One foot marks will have a special color coding that would show
[52:20] Where the obviously where the proposed grave would be as well so you'll be able to see that and also on a permanent poles as well
[52:27] But the ones with the list will be able to see the difference in the market.
[52:30] Another question I had is, we may not have this information, but you mentioned there were 60 parking spaces.
[52:37] I don't know where there are overlaps between the poles that affect public safety and the poles of the fact parking spaces.
[52:42] I'm kind of curious, for example, if there were some trade off with respect to onsite parking to install more poles if we knew what that would give us.
[52:50] No, we effectively, the English Egress effectively, it says there's 60 parking space
[52:56] of repuls, or guidelines that I'd wear in a pump, right?
[52:59] Think of it, there's no parking space, because you can't get in or out.
[53:02] No, no, I'm just saying, if we could say, well, we're okay, losing 20 parking spaces, how many
[53:05] were poles would we get?
[53:07] Yeah, we could do that type of thing.
[53:08] Sure, yeah, we could do that type of thing.
[53:09] Sure, yeah, we could do that type of thing.
[53:10] Okay.
[53:11] And the other thing I just want to add to that question is that every building will, every building
[53:16] We don't have a member of one story poem, most will have much more than that, but whatever
[53:21] that story poem is, we'll represent the tallest part of that building, and it may not
[53:27] be the exact location, but that's the purpose of putting it in the painting of the fittings
[53:31] or the corners on the where you can see them, and you would just imagine if you want the whole
[53:37] buildings that tall, because that will be the tallest part.
[53:41] So that would be the worst case, so even though a story poll, number 1, 21, really isn't
[53:49] at a certain height, we're going to, but it's the only story poll for the building that
[53:54] can be cited, we'll make it at the highest of the entire building.
[53:59] Okay, so I'm curious if the set had been done before we ever waived a story poll placement?
[54:07] Yes, we have.
[54:08] We've done it on residential, you know, if you're a resident of projects single, if I'm home to, we've done it on commercial projects, we did it on on church, so.
[54:18] Okay, but have they come to council before?
[54:22] No, in this particular one because we knew this is going to be highly public.
[54:27] We wanted the public to have an opportunity to, because that's done by staff and it's done by the director's level.
[54:32] And so we have an echo, but we also have an echo that we can refer to you as well.
[54:37] And so we are referring to you because we felt the public need to know that it's being proposed to occur.
[54:42] Okay, appreciate that.
[54:43] Thank you.
[54:44] Okay, Mr. Nichols?
[54:46] So we got this plan up here.
[54:48] First time we saw it was when we sat down.
[54:50] So I had a chance to look at it.
[54:51] What my question has to do with when you put these,
[54:53] I'm assuming the plan says these are the ones that are going to have the crane.
[54:57] This is multiple cranes.
[55:06] We're going to put a string from crane to crane, or lift a lift, so people can actually see these buildings.
[55:13] We'll try to, uh, police, and especially in the entryway, we, right there, we'll try to put the strings across there.
[55:18] Yes, we'll be correct that.
[55:19] Sure, you can direct that. Absolutely.
[55:20] And each building is going to be a different color. The different flags or something like that. I mean, how are people going to know what building is what?
[55:27] Because they'll have the plan with them.
[55:29] They'll have the numbers and the building numbers.
[55:31] Yeah, that's hard to read though.
[55:33] Again, you can direct the job, so I'm okay.
[55:36] So with this plan that we have tonight,
[55:39] I assume the applicant have a presentation.
[55:41] Okay.
[55:41] I'll just wait to hold my questions then.
[55:44] Okay, I see no other questions.
[55:47] So to the audience, this is...
[55:48] This is one more thing.
[55:49] If you have questions later or before the fire chief
[55:52] and the fire marshal are here as well.
[55:54] Excellent.
[55:55] I just wanted to make a note to the audience.
[55:57] This is the time to get your speaker slips in, all right?
[55:59] Okay, now it is time, thank you Leslie.
[56:02] It's time for the applicant to speak.
[56:03] The applicant has 15 minutes to present.
[56:06] They may save some of their time for rebuttal,
[56:10] depending on what, if they would like to do that,
[56:13] responding to the speakers.
[56:15] How many speakers do we have with Eisiau?
[56:18] There's 14 speakers, two of which are groups.
[56:21] Okay, the groups have 15 to 15 minutes each.
[56:25] Okay, all right.
[56:26] Okay, Mr. O'Neill.
[56:29] Mike Neill, President of the CEO of the H.E. Fenton Company, and believe it or not, we would
[56:33] prefer not to be here tonight asking this. In fact, back in November of last year, we contracted
[56:39] for all the story polls with California story polls, both the green ones and the red ones
[56:43] that are on the map. It wasn't until we went out and physically surveyed where those would
[56:47] go, that we discovered we had an issue, we partnered with Fire Department to determine
[56:51] those polls and their installation were feasible.
[56:54] Even the ones that are in parking places,
[56:57] the guywars go out into the drive area
[56:59] and present a problem for a vehicle to pass or a safety vehicle.
[57:05] Since this is our first time before you just
[57:06] real briefly who are with the H.E.F.E.
[57:08] company, it's kind of an each story.
[57:10] We're a 109-year-old San Diego family-owned company.
[57:13] We're in the apartment business and the industrial building
[57:15] business all here in San Diego County, kind of a unique story.
[57:20] And there's a picture from how Henry Fetton started.
[57:26] We bought Solana Highlands back in 1998.
[57:30] We tend to either buy or build.
[57:31] And whatever we buy or build, we hold on to long term.
[57:35] Solana Highlands was in very poor condition
[57:37] when we bought it.
[57:37] The previous owner had frankly just moved it for cash flow.
[57:40] We have since put quite a bit of money
[57:42] into the property fixing it up.
[57:44] The property is in good condition today.
[57:47] However, we're not able to meet with our customer
[57:49] as told us over and over, they want us to meet, and possibly put in washers and dryers
[57:54] in the units, the function of the units, the way they lay out, et cetera, et cetera.
[57:59] So we developed a plan that we thought was fairly innovative, three neighborhoods in one,
[58:04] a bungalow neighborhood up in the gold area, a lifestyle area kind of inner around the pool,
[58:09] and a value view in the area that would look out towards the racetrack.
[58:14] Again, this is a plan that's still being shaped by input and the public's input and what not.
[58:20] So we're not proposing anything tonight other than to kind of let you know what it looks like.
[58:25] The architecture we've worked hard on, the architecture we think is very high on particularly for a part of my community.
[58:31] This would be an example of what we're playing with on the bungalow side in the lifestyle area and in the value of the area.
[58:40] So very high-end architecture, you know, considerate of the values we're trying to create for
[58:45] the community, what we're trying to do to satisfy our customer and make sure our shareholders
[58:50] who are family members are all very proud of of what we've done in this community.
[58:55] So with that, I'm going to ask John Lare out from our company to come up and just quickly
[58:59] run through some of the background on how the story pole pieces will be done, hopefully
[59:05] tax setting what Leslie has brought up. We can answer some questions there.
[59:14] Thank you
[59:14] Council. We've had the opportunity to work with the community on this project since 2010,
[59:19] and we see this as a continuation of the shaping of the project that we hopefully can bring to
[59:23] Council. This is the plan that Leslie already went through, the green poles are the ones we can install,
[59:29] the yellow ones are the ones that we're talking about tonight. So I just wanted to focus and give you
[59:34] So my idea of what it looks like on the ground is just a little more than Leslie had
[59:38] it earlier.
[59:39] These are the two poles, 181 and 185, they're in the main driveway entrance to our club
[59:44] house and leasing area.
[59:47] The poles are there, they're marked in yellow to correspond back to the plan.
[59:53] The building corners are shown there to help you kind of see where building stops and
[59:56] where it starts and the, so you have the pole ID.
[1:00:00] The building corner and the height of the poll at that location. So if you're on site, you can stand and look at that marking and understand how tall the poll is in that area.
[1:00:10] This is a picture showing what that poll 181 looks like on a lift. As you can see, the poll ID, the poll itself and then a flag marking at the top.
[1:00:24] I'll take you over to the other entrance.
[1:00:26] we have, this is going to show you the markings for our new Club House and Leasing Center, proposed
[1:00:33] Club House and Leasing Center. This is a pull 101, again the building corner, the yellow dot,
[1:00:39] and the height of that location is 41.2. Now the building height of that location is 24 feet
[1:00:47] and the fill is 17. So it's not that the building, the actual structure is 41.2.
[1:00:53] This is a picture that Leslie has showed, so that's what it looks like with the lift
[1:00:58] in place, with the flag, and the pole.
[1:01:04] This is a story pole 102, which shows the side of the building a little south of 101,
[1:01:12] and the height there is 45.5, but the structure actually isn't that tall.
[1:01:18] This is the lift showing what that looks like for pole 102.
[1:01:25] This is a picture of what a typical poll would look like on our site and so we just wanted to show you that.
[1:01:32] I know you know what story polls look like.
[1:01:36] So this is an exhibit showing in really the intent of when we started developing this project was to make sure that anything that was along that north,
[1:01:48] The roof lines of those buildings would match the roof lines of the roof lines of the existing building.
[1:01:57] So we didn't want any roof lines above what existed there today.
[1:02:01] And we didn't want any buildings that were closer to the street than what existed today.
[1:02:05] And then what we wanted to do.
[1:02:06] So that's where we have the two-story product all along Nardo.
[1:02:09] And then behind that, we have the three-story product.
[1:02:11] So we moved the density to the back.
[1:02:14] And what we designed is that the roof lines of those buildings,
[1:02:16] those buildings would not be taller than the roof lines on Nardo.
[1:02:20] So the idea is that all the buildings heightwise would drop away from the North Nardo
[1:02:26] edge.
[1:02:28] John, did we set the where we plan to mark the sidewalks as well with these horizontal lines?
[1:02:34] Yes, we will be modern X right there, so the public or council or to that members can go stand
[1:02:41] there with them at an exact location and look at over the poles.
[1:02:44] Yeah, we can do that. Thank you.
[1:02:51] We're showing this exhibit. What we did is we took the site and we put a 30 foot above existing claim.
[1:02:58] So the roofs that are poking out above that plane are where the site is going to change most from existing grade.
[1:03:07] And so we do that because we want to highlight to the community.
[1:03:10] Hey, these are the areas that are going to change most from what's existing today.
[1:03:15] This is just an angled view of that same image, and this is looking from Nardosal.
[1:03:23] Then we applied this to the story pole plan that you saw earlier, and we circled the poles on this plan to show you,
[1:03:28] hey, these are the poles that you want to pay attention to.
[1:03:31] 75% of those poles are green poles, so they're going to be put in place, and then 25% of those are the yellow poles that we would use the lift system to show.
[1:03:41] And
[1:03:45] we're here for any questions.
[1:03:49] Very good.
[1:03:50] So can you go back to the slide that the City Manager just spoke to you about and extrapolate
[1:03:55] on what you just discussed because I wasn't real clear on that?
[1:03:59] So you're saying that, let me see, where's my little pointer thing?
[1:04:03] So you're saying that where these lines, where to go?
[1:04:08] Where is it?
[1:04:09] I'm all over the place.
[1:04:11] Oh, there.
[1:04:12] Where?
[1:04:12] So you're saying that.
[1:04:13] This is the sidewalk and you're going to put markings there or the here and that's
[1:04:16] people will stand and explain this to me.
[1:04:21] You, the first thought you did.
[1:04:22] Everybody with that line that he was up on the sidewalk,
[1:04:24] he could be a little bit of an ex-interesting.
[1:04:25] Yeah, this is happening in the state.
[1:04:26] It's straight out and see those same exact lines straight out,
[1:04:30] you know, American, yes.
[1:04:31] So you can be able to stand there at this side and be able to see,
[1:04:34] right, right, right.
[1:04:35] You're going to be able to stand here at this.
[1:04:36] Okay, stand and see that.
[1:04:38] Okay, another question I have is,
[1:04:40] so no new building, there will be no new building for the closer to the street
[1:04:45] what exists today. Right. So along that edge we made sure that any building that was on the
[1:04:52] new building was not closer to the street than we'll do it. What are you saying today? Right. Okay. So
[1:05:00] On these, along the frontage here, how many of those are you able to store a poll? 70 percent, 100 percent?
[1:05:10] It's most, so let me just go to, if you don't mind.
[1:05:15] So along that edge, all the green ones will be put into place.
[1:05:21] So these are the ones in the main driveway, and then this is the next driveway over here.
[1:05:27] and then you've got one in the middle of the drive here,
[1:05:30] but we can install these along here.
[1:05:35] And there's going to be a few lifts,
[1:05:39] but I'm still a little bit unclear how you're going
[1:05:41] to have maybe a handful of lifts,
[1:05:43] and there's quite a few story poles that
[1:05:47] won't have a lift at them.
[1:05:48] So I'm not sure how we're going to see everything
[1:05:51] with the lift system.
[1:05:52] Can you please explain a little bit more of that?
[1:05:54] Sure.
[1:05:54] are you driving the lift around?
[1:05:57] Yeah, so the ideas that are left in each driveway, and when we certify the story polls, the
[1:06:03] idea would be, go to each poll, put it up, have the city there to certify the polls, take
[1:06:08] all the pictures of the polls as they're being certified, so you can document what that
[1:06:13] poll looks like.
[1:06:14] And then we would host a couple of days, as Leslie spoke about, where if someone wanted to
[1:06:21] a poll put into place, we would have those lists on site and we could communicate with that
[1:06:26] person and say, hey, I want to see that poll put up. And so we would drive the lift to
[1:06:31] that area, put the poll up, and they could take pictures from wherever they are of that
[1:06:35] poll in place.
[1:06:36] Okay. Okay, I understand now. Thank you. Mr. Nichols, you have a question.
[1:06:41] I did just follow along with that. The way that I understood it, and it sounds different
[1:06:46] than what you just explained it, so bear with me while I can walk through this. I was envisioning
[1:06:50] If someone were to say, for example, I want to see this building right at the bunch of yellow, I want to like, that one right there.
[1:06:58] You would put lifts at each of these locations and then string lines up so someone could see the outline of that building. Is that not what you're proposing?
[1:07:07] So what we had talked about is putting a lift and lifting the pole at that location.
[1:07:12] But what I'm asking you is what I'm asking you feasible.
[1:07:15] Because that to me makes more sense to be able to see the outline of the building versus hey
[1:07:20] there's a pole here now envision what this pole looks like when it's not there.
[1:07:24] Now let me drive over there and put that pole up. Now look at that and take a picture.
[1:07:30] So when we talk about string lines with fire, you know, they were concerned about a string line at a certain height and a driveway
[1:07:37] and if it's in place and that would be this would be temporary.
[1:07:40] So if we're firing, take the string.
[1:07:42] We could do that. I mean there's nothing wrong. We can do that.
[1:07:45] Okay.
[1:07:49] So that can answer my question on that direction. Then the other question about the visual simulation thing that you just showed.
[1:07:58] With looking at visual simulations, they're tricky because like you show sort of a bird's eye view,
[1:08:04] and it's really hard to see, you know, from a street perspective, what it's like, what it's like.
[1:08:08] And we have no idea if someone's going to file for a view or not.
[1:08:12] Are you going to be able to set that up so that you can actually pinpoint from somebody's address
[1:08:17] what the view would be like from, say, the different yard so that we can actually have an analysis of what their view claim could be
[1:08:25] versus this kind of broad scoped aerial vision when you're looking down.
[1:08:29] Right, yes.
[1:08:30] If there was a view claim we could go to their house to where that view has taken a picture from that view and insert the model into the picture.
[1:08:38] So you could see what the project would look like from that view.
[1:08:43] And I'm assuming that if there were a view claim, we could also go back and put the
[1:08:46] polls up because we'd have to have the assessment committee come out and look at the polls
[1:08:50] from that view as well.
[1:08:51] So there may be multiple times beyond the two days where you actually have to do this.
[1:08:56] Yes.
[1:08:57] Yes.
[1:08:57] And it's actually city staff.
[1:08:58] Are we taking those pictures?
[1:08:59] So there's, you know, not the actual applicant taking those pictures.
[1:09:04] So they can't be manipulated in any way.
[1:09:06] Sure.
[1:09:06] Okay, that's all I have for now.
[1:09:09] Okay.
[1:09:10] All right, how much time does Fenton have left before nine minutes or three?
[1:09:15] Okay, very good.
[1:09:17] All right, so now we're going to go to public speakers.
[1:09:20] The teacher first speaker, please.
[1:09:22] First speakers, James Ademo.
[1:09:32] Yeah, I don't know, members of the council.
[1:09:34] I name the James Ademo and I represent
[1:09:36] the same James Catholic Church in school.
[1:09:39] And our concern at this time really is very simple.
[1:09:42] The Council would like to be able to see the outline of the buildings from our point of view, which is we have plenty of our property lines are the same, the joint property lines.
[1:09:56] So we are concerned that all the buildings that are within them.
[1:10:00] View of our property that the story polls do go in place.
[1:10:07] The other concern is, of course, actually, at this time, the only thing we're concerned about
[1:10:11] is the story polls, and later on we're going to be, especially our school principal, is concerned
[1:10:17] about the noise and dust and dirt and the children, and how it's going to affect them during
[1:10:23] school hours. But that will be addressed at a later date, I'm sure. At least it will be
[1:10:29] our point of view. Anyway, that's the bottom line. We're sharing property lines and what
[1:10:35] we'd like to see is that the buildings that affect us, we would like to see the outline
[1:10:41] so we can address the scope of the property. That's all. Thank you very much.
[1:10:47] Thank you, sir. Next speaker. Michael Nune.
[1:10:58] For the record of it matters, my last name is
[1:11:07] As a preamble to this.
[1:11:09] So can you be moved up mic down so we can move up?
[1:11:12] Okay.
[1:11:12] Yes, I'm short sorry.
[1:11:14] As a preamble to this, I live above the property at on our data lane.
[1:11:20] And so I look out over the whole thing.
[1:11:23] And we bought the house for that view, so we may have a view concern.
[1:11:28] And the current property is filled with lush tall, mature trees.
[1:11:34] And at the first meeting we were told at the church, where they presented this, we were told by the artist, that they're all diseased and in this they all have to come down.
[1:11:43] So this is going to be a complete disruption of the way everything looks.
[1:11:46] I say that, I know we're not talking about that here today.
[1:11:49] But in order to see these story poles, those trees are there.
[1:11:54] You won't be able to see the shapes of the buildings, at least from our perspective, through the existing greenery,
[1:12:01] which will all be removed according to the developer.
[1:12:04] So that's the first concern.
[1:12:05] So I have three issues with polls
[1:12:07] and I'm the first one to go with the church as well.
[1:12:11] I have a concern that people at the church,
[1:12:14] there's a playground right there.
[1:12:16] Those two buildings on the lower left corner there
[1:12:18] are going to be three story buildings.
[1:12:20] On the model, they didn't correctly show the upper building.
[1:12:23] It's going to be inserted into the hill.
[1:12:26] There's a hill there.
[1:12:27] And those are going to be level there's a level parking lot
[1:12:30] proposed between those two buildings, those buildings are going to be 30 feet high and look
[1:12:36] directly over the playground of the school, so I agree with the church on their concern.
[1:12:42] Our houses at the above and on one of the sidelines on one of the slides,
[1:12:46] they showed a sideline going down here from our living space. We look straight down that sideline
[1:12:52] and currently there's buildings there but what we're going to see is a driveway that leads
[1:12:58] directly to a three-story building at the bottom,
[1:13:01] which is almost at the same height because it's three
[1:13:03] stores as the buildings at the street.
[1:13:06] That building has one story pole that is I think,
[1:13:11] 40 feet high.
[1:13:13] So how am I going to be able to see what that massive
[1:13:15] three-story building looks like from my house
[1:13:18] when there are trees and things in between?
[1:13:20] It's going to be very, very difficult to do this.
[1:13:23] So that's another one.
[1:13:24] And then the last one is there's a story pole
[1:13:27] down in building 16.
[1:13:29] When moment, staff, could you please provide a pointer or a light and book I can walk up?
[1:13:34] No, you think you have to stand in the mic.
[1:13:38] Please pause the other hand.
[1:13:38] I was talking about, is I don't want to hit you in the eye with this.
[1:13:42] Is here, has one historical on the farthest corner.
[1:13:46] Our view line looks straight at that building.
[1:13:49] Down, what will be a new open space, which we won't be able to tell what that looks like.
[1:13:54] Because they're buildings there now.
[1:13:57] So what you're trying to see is not only where the buildings are, but you're trying to see where the spaces are, and that's going to be very difficult, because this is a massive dense project, everything's being paved over, and new buildings are being built where old ones are, it's very, very disrupted.
[1:14:11] But our other view angle is here, and currently there's a green outside of the area.
[1:14:17] You can wrap it up real fast.
[1:14:18] Okay, well.
[1:14:19] So at the end of that view angle, there is this tallest put story pole, which also for some reason is not on the map.
[1:14:27] Thank you.
[1:14:28] And one last comment about the church.
[1:14:30] If I may, I believe the reason that isn't being done is because there's a fire road there, a Jason to those buildings.
[1:14:36] And if maybe the church would allow them to tether their poles on church property, that might solve the problem.
[1:14:43] Good suggestion.
[1:14:43] Thank you.
[1:14:44] Next speaker, please.
[1:14:45] Phil Weber?
[1:14:54] Hi.
[1:14:54] I also live at 639-90 Lane, so we get a good picture of the whole project.
[1:14:58] So, good afternoon.
[1:15:00] Good night evening. One of the issues with the story polls that tell a story. And we like geometry. And if you don't have all the points connected, you don't know the building. You don't know the size. And you don't have the idea of the impact. We're going to have a lot of view concerns. Also we're going to have noise concerns too. So we really want to see the whole project. And one story poll here and one story poll there doesn't do a good. Also, think, you know, if you're going to do that, do temporary setups. You're going to have to have 40 plus lifts.line the building.
[1:15:30] And I'm sure that's going to create hazards for fire engines and safety for people and take
[1:15:34] up parking slots also.
[1:15:36] So I just really, really ask that we have a really good representation of the buildings,
[1:15:41] especially the buildings that only have like one or two story poles for the whole thing
[1:15:46] that we don't see the shape.
[1:15:48] It's very important.
[1:15:49] I love looking this on a beach, it's a great place, we want to keep it beautiful, our neighbors
[1:15:54] want to keep it beautiful and we want to, I want to be good neighbors.
[1:15:57] So good story polls, make good neighbors.
[1:16:00] Thank you, next speaker.
[1:16:06] Zahra, nohabarl.
[1:16:14] Hi, hello, my name is Zahra, nohabarl.
[1:16:18] Who likes to live in Solana Beach?
[1:16:20] All of us.
[1:16:22] Do we like to let developers destroy our home?
[1:16:25] Not really.
[1:16:26] I like to call the project the vitalization
[1:16:29] and destruction of Solana Beach.
[1:16:32] I would like to ask the city council to deny permit
[1:16:35] partial story called placement and deny the permit to increase units and heights of the units in
[1:16:41] Solana Island. By the way, remember Solana Beach City Council voted to ban plastic banks in order to
[1:16:49] save our ocean. I'm hoping and I would love you to be smart enough to save our Earth as well.
[1:16:58] The request from Fenton Park, increasing 66 units is in the most dense place in Solana Beach.
[1:17:09] Very small narrow road, it's outrageous.
[1:17:13] While this request ruins our quality of life, especially for people who live across the streets
[1:17:19] from this project like myself, and the building will take three to five years to complete.
[1:17:26] We talk about other countries that they have war.
[1:17:30] This is going to be war and demolishing our quality of life.
[1:17:38] And then after that, it's going to affect everybody's life that day after.
[1:17:41] That's the dense population.
[1:17:44] In addition, the developers asking City Council to give them permission
[1:17:48] not to place full story poles.
[1:17:52] What is that about?
[1:17:54] The last speaker talked about the story pose gives the full story.
[1:17:59] If I don't know the full story, and I live close across the street from this building,
[1:18:07] using, and they are using different excuses, the full story pose allow residents to visualize
[1:18:12] how wide and how tall the buildings will be, and this will interfere with their present
[1:18:18] view.
[1:18:18] Again, I would like to ask the City Council and Madam Mayor to deny the permit for partial
[1:18:25] stereotyp or storyboard placement and deny the permit to increase units and hikes of the units.
[1:18:32] We could call project anything we want.
[1:18:35] They call it re-vitalization.
[1:18:38] I would like to call it de-vitalization.
[1:18:42] Taking our vitality and our life away from us.
[1:18:46] Thank you for listening.
[1:18:47] Thank you.
[1:18:49] Next speaker.
[1:18:51] 10.
[1:18:56] Thank you.
[1:18:57] Much council and mayor for your time.
[1:19:00] Storypoles are a bit of a touch issue with me.
[1:19:02] About four years ago today, we are directing storypoles in my no view backyard for
[1:19:08] 499 square foot addition to our house.
[1:19:12] I requested the planning department way of the storypoles because there were no view issues.
[1:19:16] I was denied. I believe that the structural development permit that the city currently uses is a way to get revenue into the city because even in cases where there are not story, if you issues, you're required to erect story poles.
[1:19:31] Now we have a situation where there are serious view issues and they're asking for a waiver.
[1:19:36] I would request that you deny the waiver or else you reassess the whole storyful process and have them only erected where there are view issues.
[1:19:44] The structural development permit is about $700 that my family should not have had to spend in a zero-view area.
[1:19:51] Again, I request that you deny their waiver, and I have a solution to the problem.
[1:19:56] The solution to the problem is that you stop taking a reason.
[1:20:00] This now, you've tell people you have a year. You have them move out, and then when the place is vacated,
[1:20:05] you can now erect all of the story poles, so people who live in the area can actually see what
[1:20:10] it's going to look like. Thank you.
[1:20:13] Thank you, next speaker. Jesse Quinsett.
[1:20:25] Good evening, Mayor and Council. My name is Jesse Quinsett, and I live pretty close to 101 Fresca Street,
[1:20:31] which is about 100 yards away from this proposed development. I've been a resident of
[1:20:36] on Beach for about 28 years. 25 years ago, I applied for a permit to have a second story
[1:20:42] put on my home and I always told that I had to put story poles up. Since both houses next
[1:20:48] to me and the houses across the street from me were two stories I didn't see the need for
[1:20:52] having story poles so I applied for a waiver. I always told I couldn't get one until I
[1:20:58] advised all my neighbors and not only my immediate neighbors but neighbors within a quarter mile of
[1:21:05] that their view, or they wouldn't object to my plans.
[1:21:10] I did that, of course, and everybody did wave their requirement for me to put up story
[1:21:15] polls.
[1:21:16] I mentioned that as a preparatory work, just because in Sloan of each, we view this
[1:21:21] waiver very seriously and I hope that you take this waiver request just as seriously as
[1:21:28] a resident of my area did.
[1:21:31] And insofar as reading the reports, I do give due
[1:21:34] difference to the fact that safety is a paramount here,
[1:21:37] but I do believe there should be some balancing test
[1:21:41] applied as to whether or not these are actually safety
[1:21:43] issues or ingress and egress issues.
[1:21:46] I believe that Councilman Zeno pointed out that some of the
[1:21:53] polls in question, or perhaps not related to actual safety
[1:21:58] issues. Oh, that 30%, I would like the Council to direct the manager to determine which polls
[1:22:04] are actually safety issue oriented and which are not. If Egress is the only issue there,
[1:22:11] I think that there's a stronger count of balance to our right to have this project
[1:22:17] assessed in full view. It didn't seem to me that the fire chief, I do give them due
[1:22:23] in the case of which actual polls involve safety issues and which polls involve merely
[1:22:29] set egress issues.
[1:22:32] I agree that these residents will be placed at some inconvenience.
[1:22:39] But certainly they're going to be inconvenience if this project is approved.
[1:22:43] They'll be permanently displaced.
[1:22:45] I don't mind these residents parking along my street,
[1:22:48] so long as we get a better view of what this project actually looks like.
[1:22:52] And so far as the alternatives are concerned, I'm totally objecting to any kind of a 3D representation for the same views that are voiced here.
[1:23:03] My view is not the lack of real thing.
[1:23:07] I just drove by tonight and I noticed that there's a story polls put up on a building about two blocks away from here.
[1:23:13] It certainly has a different psychological effect when you have to look at that building every day,
[1:23:18] And not only on the Saturday mornings or Saturday afternoons, as is suggested in the applicant's report, I do agree that...
[1:23:29] So your time is up, thank you.
[1:23:31] Thank you.
[1:23:32] Next week, David Checkley.
[1:23:47] Madam Mayor and Council members, I simply have two points to make.
[1:23:53] The first is that to get a complete story, you need complete story polls.
[1:23:59] If you put up an incomplete set of story poles, you're going to get an incomplete story.
[1:24:05] That's has been set a number of times here, and I firmly believe that.
[1:24:08] Imagine a wall was to be erected between you and us, and to visualize that wall.
[1:24:15] Three poles were put up, two over here, and then you took one out over here and put it up over here.
[1:24:21] Even if you put stringers over the top of those, you'd never get to complete story, if only part of that wall is erected between us.
[1:24:28] So I think you need complete story polls to tell a complete story.
[1:24:33] The second is in regards to the visualization, a visualization is generally used to mimic
[1:24:38] reality, represent reality on some form or another.
[1:24:42] And as was just said, if one has the opportunity, it presents that reality in another way
[1:24:48] I.E. with story polls, it's much better to do that because you'll never get the same thing
[1:24:53] by looking at a computer screen.
[1:24:55] And so I urge you strongly to consider rejection of this waiver request.
[1:25:00] And somehow putting up all of these story poles. And I suggest one alternative and that is to perhaps let people park and if a deal can be arranged in the St. James parking lot and ferry them back and forth during the period of two days and all the story poles are up. And have that expense paid for by the developers and allow the full extent of the development to be seen. Thank you.
[1:25:25] Thank you. Next speaker. Adrian Davenport.
[1:25:36] Thank you very much for giving me the opportunity to speak.
[1:25:39] So my family and I lived directly across from the proposed revitalization project on South Nardo.
[1:25:44] And this is significant revitalization project. It's going from 190 units to 260 units.
[1:25:51] A waivers have to request it in terms of the high limitations of the buildings.
[1:25:54] And now for a story pool waiver to be requested that gives my husband and I as well as our neighbors,
[1:25:59] several of our neighbors that we've talked to along South
[1:26:01] Nordic quite a bit of concern.
[1:26:03] The concern that we have is, like many of my neighbors have
[1:26:06] suggested, you don't get the whole story
[1:26:08] and you literally have all the story poles up
[1:26:10] to really see the three-dimensional view of the proposed plans.
[1:26:14] And 30% of 180 story poles is 54 or so poles.
[1:26:18] I don't think it's really feasible to have 54 lifts up
[1:26:21] at the same time.
[1:26:23] What we really would like to request is particularly
[1:26:25] for the story poles that are suggested to be
[1:26:27] paved on the east and west boundaries of the property, as well as the so-called secondary
[1:26:33] entrance, which if you look the layout of the property, the proposed property, will probably
[1:26:37] end up being the primary exit and entrance area into South Nardo rather than towards Stephens,
[1:26:44] that in particular those story poles are put up a representation of the mar at the same time,
[1:26:48] such that the neighbors are able to see them.
[1:26:51] I also requested their put up before a significant amount of time.
[1:26:54] Many of us are professionals. We travel. We're not available on any particular morning or evening.
[1:26:59] So they should be put up for several days at a time. Thank you very much for your consideration.
[1:27:04] Thank you. Next speaker, Kathy Neville.
[1:27:11] Good evening. And thank you, City Council,
[1:27:13] for the opportunity to speak with you. And the community tonight. My name is Kathy Neville.
[1:27:19] I have been a resident living in slana circle in slana beach for over 25 years.
[1:27:25] I moved away for a few years, and when I moved back, I was really shocked to see that there
[1:27:32] are going to be these expansions in height, increases, et cetera, et cetera.
[1:27:36] And I moved here because it's a wonderful community and the schools established here are just
[1:27:41] fabulous.
[1:27:43] I request the council to deny the permit for partial story pillars or polls, and deny the increase
[1:27:50] number of units in height of the units in Sloan of Highlands.
[1:27:53] The full story polls is the only way the community will get a good idea of the mass
[1:27:59] and scale of the Narrow apartment complex.
[1:28:05] I'm kind of reeling on the construction and other things, which I won't discuss, but I took
[1:28:10] that all out of my speech.
[1:28:12] A partial poll survey will give a skewed visual of the project.
[1:28:15] The project's height limiting the understanding and height and impact the everything we'll have on the community.
[1:28:26] And then the sequence, how is that not, how is that being skipped over with partial polls?
[1:28:32] I don't understand that. I think it's meeting quite a few criteria there.
[1:28:36] And I think the city could get to trouble if they don't really have their attorneys look into that.
[1:28:42] I really hope you consider this and consider the community because it seems like most everybody who lives in that portion of the community would like to see the full story.
[1:28:53] And so I'm hoping you take it seriously and honor us.
[1:28:58] Thank you.
[1:28:59] Thank you.
[1:29:08] heading present. And also Susan Brune, thank you. I'll put 15.
[1:29:15] Good evening. Actually, my neighbors are making such a good story that mine is going to be considerably shorter than I thought.
[1:29:24] We, emphatically, oppose applicants request for a partial story, Pope Weber. The applicant is proposed a project that will radically transform Nardo in many ways.
[1:29:33] We walk by and drive on Nardo and the proposed project along Nardo is a wall of buildings that we believe block all existing views.
[1:29:42] We want to see all of the story poles so that as we walk by and drive we can see how the existing views are impacted.
[1:30:00] Method, excuse me, the proposed alternatives to the time-tested method of storing pool do not have a clear pathway to providing anything that can be certified for accuracy to the level that we require for storing pools.
[1:30:15] Store pools are required to be certified for accuracy as to location the height by a license to serve air, whose license will be on the line to certify the accuracy of these alternatives.
[1:30:28] We urge the City Council to require the applicant to fully store the entire site for the full 30 days so that anyone who has an interest or who hears about the project and develops an interest, this project will impact the entire city.
[1:30:43] And we all have the right, not just the houses, but we have the right if it changes our view as we're along the street to say about it and the only way to do that is to see all of the story polls.
[1:30:53] To deny the immediate neighbors whose views will be impacted, the carefully crafted process
[1:30:59] that has been developed through the years by the citizens of Sloan Beach is just plain unfair.
[1:31:05] Thank you.
[1:31:06] Thank you.
[1:31:07] Next speaker, Eric Gettard.
[1:31:18] Good evening, Honorable Mayor and council members.
[1:31:21] My name is Eric Gettard and I live here in Sloan Beach for 18 years.
[1:31:25] I raise my family here, love this community, and that's why I'm here to, in fact,
[1:31:30] I suppose this waiver for this project.
[1:31:36] This waiver, if approved, will hope a profoundly dramatic discovery of this project, represented
[1:31:42] by the started polls, will tell, will show.
[1:31:46] And that's exactly why this waiver should be denied.
[1:31:49] We need to see how this grandiose project will impact our community, and I believe applicants
[1:31:54] should be required to put lights on top of these poles, as there is bound to be an increase in
[1:31:59] light pollution that will emanate from these buildings. When we remodeled our home on
[1:32:04] Solana Circle, we were required to have sorry poles installed with the heights certified by
[1:32:11] a surveyor at a great expense.
[1:32:15] Just think, this applicant is already attempting to skirt the
[1:32:18] first requirement for any proposed building project. It could lead one to conclude that
[1:32:25] This applicant does not have the best intent towards our community.
[1:32:32] With mandatory drought restrictions in place, any increase in
[1:32:36] the density of residential units is pure falling.
[1:32:41] By applying for this project, applicant is asking us,
[1:32:44] the citizens of Sloan Beach, the further curtail, or water usage,
[1:32:49] so thin can line their pockets.
[1:32:51] The fact that this project is even being considered is really
[1:32:54] moving to me.
[1:32:56] Thank you.
[1:33:01] Next speaker please. Next speaker is Jim Ratser and I do have several speaker slips for you.
[1:33:07] Would you like to speak as a group?
[1:33:12] So if two people at any time you have 15 minutes, is Gina Jacob's present?
[1:33:17] And also, Karen, good luck. Good luck. Thank you.
[1:33:21] All right, 15 minutes.
[1:33:23] Okay, I'm not going to take 15 minutes, just so you know, put up.
[1:33:27] My name is Jim Ratser. I live at 360 South Narrow.
[1:33:30] I'm here tonight to speak on behalf of my family along with other neighbors concerning the project.
[1:33:35] There's some of you know, I spent four years on view assessment, sitting on the view assessment committee.
[1:33:41] During the time I participated in numerous view assessment hearings, as part of that process, I visited many homes.
[1:33:47] And we have to remember the genesis of a view claim is from the home, not from a parking lot with a blue dot painted on it.
[1:33:55] I visited many homes where I stood in the primary view areas and evaluated view impairments.
[1:34:01] I evaluated projects as small as a single residence addition to large projects, like the proposed
[1:34:08] development of the land at the Gateway Hotel and the NCTD train station.
[1:34:16] Understanding that there are public safety issues is important and we do understand the need
[1:34:22] to take that into consideration, but we also recognize that these issues create a need to
[1:34:28] balance safety with the interests of the citizens to have a fair opportunity to identify
[1:34:33] view blockage.
[1:34:35] And a primary point that came out in the presentation by the developer is there's 53 polls
[1:34:42] that they want to waver for and for lift trucks.
[1:34:46] So, they are not going to give an accurate representation at any one time of the entire project.
[1:34:54] 53 polls are missing for lift trucks.
[1:35:00] The post plan in the resolution is vague. It's my turn to the staff recommendations.
[1:35:08] According to the recommendation, on two specified days, some of the 30% of the polls may be installed,
[1:35:16] but only if a homeowner makes a request to have specific polls, well, shown by the lift truck.
[1:35:23] And again, the genesis of a view claim is sitting or standing in somebody's residence, determining what the primary view is.
[1:35:31] And then looking out at the project it's not I'm going to sit here and I'm going to run it and we're going to look for a pole with a flag on it and then I'm going to come go back over and have that the next pole with a flag on it set up.
[1:35:44] It is it's not it's not a workable solution. It's not fair to the to the resident that is trying to evaluate whether they have view impairment.
[1:35:53] If a request is made, then a single pole at a time will be put up by use of a lift crane
[1:35:58] for a limited amount of time. When the pole is installed by the lift, then it is taking down
[1:36:02] the next pole is installed. The homeowner must remember in their mind's eye to connect the line
[1:36:07] between the tops of the two poles. There's no stringing between the poles. The lift operator will not
[1:36:13] install string lines between the poles, and that's a problem. In order to make a request, every homeowner
[1:36:18] We'll need to complete copy of the story pole plan.
[1:36:22] They will need to understand how to interpret the story pole plan in order to identify
[1:36:27] the specific pole number that they would like to see represented by a lift truck.
[1:36:32] The purpose of the story pole requirement in the view ordinance is to place the burden on
[1:36:37] the developer to provide full disclosure and notice to neighbors or others who may have
[1:36:42] their view blocked by installing story poles.
[1:36:46] The developer has the burden and responsibility under the ordinance to provide a fair representation of the proposed project, so the view impairment can be identified.
[1:36:57] Under the ordinance, the developer bears the burden to provide notice by installing story poles, not the homeowner or occupant to determine which poles should be installed.
[1:37:07] The proposed resolution, if adopted, would reverse that burden and place the burden on the home
[1:37:13] order to review and understand the story pole plan, identify potential locations of view
[1:37:19] impairment and make a request for the list to place one story pole at a time at the requested
[1:37:24] location.
[1:37:25] In addition, the temporary poles will not be placed up at the same time, or have connecting
[1:37:30] strings or flags attached.
[1:37:31] the proposed resolution also shifts the risk to the homeowner. Most homeowners do not
[1:37:38] have training or experience evaluating a storypole plan. Without the benefit of storypoles,
[1:37:44] the average homeowner will be at a severe disadvantage trying to determine which poles may
[1:37:48] cause blockage and whether they have view impairment to the primary viewing area of their residence.
[1:37:53] As a practical matter, the proposed resolution assumes that a storypole plan
[1:37:58] begin to each person so they can go back to their home and try to figure out which polls
[1:38:03] they should request to have installed.
[1:38:05] Again, the genesis of a view assessment application is impairment to the view from the primary
[1:38:09] viewing area of a residence or structure.
[1:38:12] The fundamental issue is to observe the story polls from the primary viewing area.
[1:38:18] Again, 54 polls missing, four lift trucks.
[1:38:22] After four years on a view assessment committee, I can honestly say it is sometimes difficult
[1:38:27] for me to determine what is depicted on a storypole plan in building plans when reviewing
[1:38:31] the story poles from a distance.
[1:38:33] Storypole plans can be difficult to interpret or to relate to the location of the actual poles.
[1:38:41] The proposed plan does not comply with the requirements of the view ordinance.
[1:38:45] Also, it is not consistent with the purpose of the view ordinance and it creates bad
[1:38:50] for other projects, other largely large projects.
[1:38:57] We are not being afforded a fair chance
[1:38:58] to analyze the view impacts if we are forced to rely on incomplete
[1:39:02] story poles or some other simulation.
[1:39:05] Viewing all the story poles is essential.
[1:39:07] Putting 30% of the poles up for only a few minutes or hours
[1:39:10] for only two days of time is not fair
[1:39:13] and violates the view ordinance.
[1:39:15] Residents need to be allowed to experience the impact
[1:39:17] of their views at different times of day over an extended period.
[1:39:22] For example, lighting, and time of day, are important aspects of the
[1:39:28] view assessment analysis, and I believe the toolbook talks about aesthetics of your view.
[1:39:34] Models and computer simulations of story poles do not give a resonant, a fair analysis
[1:39:39] of view issues.
[1:39:41] When I was on view assessment, 3D model, any kind of computer-generated insertion of a building
[1:39:49] envelope on a picture of somebody's view. It was never accurate compared to actually going out
[1:39:55] and looking from the view from that primary viewing area at this-
[1:40:02] That's what you need. You need to be able to stand there and see the outline of the entire structure.
[1:40:09] If
[1:40:09] 3% of the polls are only up for a few hours over a couple of weekends, how will the View Assessment Committee
[1:40:14] members analyze view issues? They cannot rely on models and photographs. The possibility that this project will not be fully
[1:40:24] and for the required time period is not fair to the citizens potentially impacted by this development.
[1:40:31] The proposal to place story poles for a limited time period and to allow residents to request placement of story poles
[1:40:39] and poses an unreasonable burden and risk on the homeowner.
[1:40:43] The only way to fairly analyze the view issues to stand in the primary view area of the residents
[1:40:47] and look at the story poles, all the story poles.
[1:40:52] My request tonight is that you not adopt the proposed resolution.
[1:40:55] Instead, I would ask you to schedule a meeting or maybe workshops where you could invite affected neighbors,
[1:41:02] the city manager, and the developer, so we can work together to arrive at a story-polling approach that is fair to everyone.
[1:41:10] Or perhaps the workshop where residents will have the same opportunity to meet with Mr. Ott that the developer has had to meet with Mr. Ott.
[1:41:17] So Mr. Otsu, we would have equal access to the city to talk about alternatives, a meeting
[1:41:25] will allow the affected residents to develop for a city manager to go building by building
[1:41:28] to determine how accommodations can be made for realistic polling.
[1:41:32] For example, the NCTD train station project was to report without blocking drive lanes
[1:41:37] and parking spaces.
[1:41:39] Therefore, there are other ways to install polls on a temporary basis without using lifts or
[1:41:44] I can drive lanes, you know, perhaps drilling and it's serving poles into drilled holes.
[1:41:49] There's gotta be other ways to put up story poles.
[1:41:52] A good example of the need for this approach is presented by buildings five and six.
[1:41:56] Do I have a pointer?
[1:42:00] Is this a pointer?
[1:42:02] Okay, can you point for me? Five or six? They're right in the corner there, right?
[1:42:08] These guys right here.
[1:42:10] There are nine story polls on these two buildings and of the nine only three would go up.
[1:42:21] Both buildings are likely to present significant issues for neighbors who have views over the site.
[1:42:26] Neither building will be accurately represented by the proposed partial story poll setting.
[1:42:31] Nine polls need for these buildings only three polls would be erected under the proposed plan.
[1:42:36] Again, Mr. Out of apparently had meetings and discussions with the developer.
[1:42:39] We merely asked for the same access and consideration.
[1:42:43] Unfortunately, it's not possible to have the same type of back and forth discussion tonight.
[1:42:48] And therefore, we simply asked for a meeting to get the same and equal consideration that the developer has already received.
[1:42:54] Thank you.
[1:42:57] Thank you, next speaker.
[1:43:00] Thomas, ties.
[1:43:05] Can you repeat the name?
[1:43:06] Oh, here I come.
[1:43:07] Thank you.
[1:43:08] Thank you.
[1:43:09] Thank you.
[1:43:12] Thomas, ties.
[1:43:19] I work every day.
[1:43:20] with CAD drivers we call them, commuterated design, and we usually at least have 3 or 4 and
[1:43:27] we do 3D models, and one of the proposals here is to have a computer model, a place of
[1:43:32] the story, a pose, and use to have this a substitute, and when we present to customers the 3D
[1:43:37] models and the assemblies, I mean there's spectacular, I don't want to work without them,
[1:43:41] but there's always a lot of confusion with people, they don't see it, it's not the same
[1:43:46] the real thing. For me it's different. I see it all the time. I see it every day. I can understand
[1:43:51] it in my mind. Functions that way. But I think most of the people not to be offensive won't
[1:43:56] won't get it from a 3D rendering. It won't work. So that covers CAD tools. They're great. It's a
[1:44:02] great good augmentation. But it will not be a substitute for the story bowls. I took the time to
[1:44:09] go ahead and call some story bowl companies today. And I also emailed back and forth information
[1:44:13] on the particular project, they all had a very can-do attitude, and one of the things that
[1:44:18] was stressed a lot in the staff report was the guywires and the problems of the guywires.
[1:44:23] And they said, one of them, in particular, said that they've done instances where they've
[1:44:26] had not the guywires, where the story poles were actually structural, it's more expensive,
[1:44:30] but it can be done.
[1:44:31] They used steel story poles, they sunk a man in concrete, jack hammered them out, and it looks
[1:44:36] like when you look at the building at the bottom corner, I'll put you a lot of those
[1:44:40] and a lot of those issues are guywire issues.
[1:44:43] Right now we don't have the breakdown.
[1:44:45] We got this dropped on us and we really don't have the detail information we're being stressed
[1:44:48] that it's safety information but when you really report it does cover guide wires a lot.
[1:45:00] As far as the precedence, I think the sense that the precedence for future applications, developers are learning that with these density bond, these bonuses that are available, cities that they can make money off of.
[1:45:13] And we have other apartment complexes in here, and it's possible that this precedence will be used in those good apartment complexes.
[1:45:22] And finally, and I said it before,
[1:45:27] is a little disappointed to be being ambushed on this so quickly.
[1:45:30] There's been no significant community involvement.
[1:45:32] We basically found out about this where being told that has to be approved tonight.
[1:45:36] I recommend it not be approved.
[1:45:39] Thank you.
[1:45:41] Thank you.
[1:45:41] Next speaker.
[1:45:42] Michael Davidson.
[1:45:53] Thanks for hearing us.
[1:45:54] I live at 720 Sun Resistory, which is very close to the Sloan Highlands development.
[1:46:01] My daughter-in-law and her baby lived in Sloan Highlands, and she lives on a modest income
[1:46:07] working at a local grocery.
[1:46:09] Sloan Highlands is affordable, close to grandparents' babysitters, and schools and miracle
[1:46:16] of miracles since she doesn't drive, she can walk to work.
[1:46:19] This proposed expansion would, of course, evict her and 1952 other families and individuals
[1:46:25] who can ill afford to live in North County and who will find have to find housing elsewhere.
[1:46:31] I think that the interruptions and inconveniences described by the applicant, by story poles,
[1:46:38] are nothing compared to the inconvenience of so many people having to find housing after being
[1:46:44] convicted by this project.
[1:46:46] As a homeowner in Sloan of Beach since 1985, I'm really glad to live in a town that has
[1:46:57] resisted attempts to turn Sloan of Beach into a strip mall, a commercial venue, a big
[1:47:03] box or a McMansion.
[1:47:05] The applicant's proposed expansion of Sloan of Highlands is way out of proportion to the
[1:47:13] attempt to prevent the public from seeing how out of proportion the expansion is. Many of my
[1:47:18] neighbors have talked about the fact that a photoshopped idealized rendering on paper,
[1:47:23] on a PowerPoint is hardly the same thing as on-site story poles that give an accurate sense
[1:47:28] of scale, density, and height. We've heard a lot about how much this project would impact
[1:47:35] traffic on Nargo, joining streets, housing values, and so forth, but to me, what's really
[1:47:42] most significant here is that it would eliminate a significant low-income housing project
[1:47:47] in the area, making Solana Beach unlivable for a large class of people who contribute to
[1:47:52] the local economy and the cultural diversity of the region, evicting this population and
[1:47:57] erecting new buildings at much higher rents is hardly the civic vision I've had for
[1:48:02] town and I hope it's not the vision that you have for the city's future. Thank you.
[1:48:07] Thank you. Next speaker, Lisa Levin.
[1:48:17] Hi, I'm a 23-year resident of Solana Beach and I live
[1:48:21] on South Nardo and I would like to voice my opposition of the story poll waiver and really just say
[1:48:29] I'm not a 100% sure but it looked to me like a very large fraction of those 54 story polls
[1:48:37] sit on the very highest part of the development.
[1:48:41] We were shown a map earlier that showed the highest grades.
[1:48:44] And I would like to know what fraction of those missing poles are the very high part of
[1:48:50] this development.
[1:48:51] But I have a sense that, well, the request is to weigh 30 percent of the poles, I suspect that
[1:49:00] would be losing 75% of the height and impression of what the development will actually look
[1:49:09] like.
[1:49:10] So, I'm not 100% sure, but many of those yellow poles sat on the very high parts that are
[1:49:17] above the current development level, because that's the point I'm trying to make.
[1:49:22] So, I think that we need all the story poles to really see what this is going to look like.
[1:49:27] Thank you.
[1:49:28] Thank you very much.
[1:49:31] Okay.
[1:49:32] The developer, the applicant, has nine minutes and 33 seconds to respond to anything they
[1:49:37] would like.
[1:49:38] I'm sure the council might have some questions for you.
[1:49:41] All right.
[1:49:42] Come on up, Mike.
[1:49:46] Well first, what you've heard tonight is the reason that we had hope this would come before
[1:49:51] here.
[1:49:52] We do care what our impact is.
[1:49:55] We're going to be in the community.
[1:49:56] We've been in the community a long time.
[1:49:58] We're going to be in the community a long time.
[1:49:59] Thanks for watching, and don't forget to like, share, and subscribe to our channel.
[1:50:00] And so it's important to hear the different perspectives. The gentleman that came up and talked about his daughter, living in our community. We're very pleased that he is grateful that she lives there.
[1:50:12] It's one of the reasons we want to face the project so that we can move people around as we build the project and we don't kick everybody out.
[1:50:19] And so it's that kind of sensitivity by which we're approaching this.
[1:50:24] We've looked at many alternatives to try to install all the story poles.
[1:50:31] There are some significant challenges.
[1:50:33] There's a group from the community that wants to get together.
[1:50:36] We're happy to meet with anybody.
[1:50:37] We've been very open to had community workshops on what not.
[1:50:41] Maybe there is an idea out there that we haven't thought of, but we have thought of a lot of them.
[1:50:47] So we're open to the council questions.
[1:50:49] We want a good solution that works for everybody.
[1:50:52] Okay, I'm going to start with some questions and I'll have anything to say, John, no, okay.
[1:50:59] So about the trees, are they all diseased or are they all coming down?
[1:51:04] So I'm not aware that all the trees being diseased.
[1:51:07] We do have trees that have disease, we've had to do a lot of things with trees and we've had
[1:51:12] to take trees down.
[1:51:13] We also haven't determined that all the trees have to come down, we're working with staff
[1:51:18] to identify which trees can stay, which ones have to come out,
[1:51:22] grading-wise. It's one of the comments we've got from the community
[1:51:24] and that, oh, call that still in flux.
[1:51:27] Okay.
[1:51:30] But see, one way to story poll that was suggested was to have everybody move out.
[1:51:36] This might be a question actually for the city attorney.
[1:51:42] There are constitutional limitations. One of which is that if it is a government action
[1:51:49] that requires the displacement of individuals from their home,
[1:51:53] the government is going to have to pay for their relocation phase.
[1:51:57] So the city of Solana Beach would have to pay to move everybody out
[1:52:02] in order for a 40-day period in order to erect all of the story polls.
[1:52:06] That's correct.
[1:52:07] How much monthly rent do you get?
[1:52:10] Quite a bit, I don't know, that number off top of that.
[1:52:12] All right.
[1:52:14] If to the city attorney and perhaps city manager or story polling,
[1:52:17] This view process is just revenue to the city.
[1:52:24] You consciously subsidized the view process.
[1:52:28] So there's not a revenue at all.
[1:52:29] In fact, it's a negative to the city.
[1:52:31] It's a negative.
[1:52:32] You've done lots of few studies and every time when the cost is actually shown to you,
[1:52:38] you have, you know, the last, you cut it because you want everybody to be able to participate.
[1:52:43] So it's heavily subsidized.
[1:52:46] Okay.
[1:52:46] Let's see, what percentage of the polls are safety related, are ingress egress related,
[1:52:57] are poll related and are gaiwire related.
[1:53:00] So we might need a few people answering that, I don't know if anybody have the answer
[1:53:07] to that yet.
[1:53:09] Any of the polls that are yellow, whether it's the poll that's sitting in the dryvile or whether
[1:53:15] It's the guy wires that are supporting the pole, the blocking drive-outs, so people moving.
[1:53:19] But after yellow poles, what are due to public safety and what are due just to
[1:53:25] ingress egress?
[1:53:27] Well, the public safety component was that the fire trucks and emergency vehicles could not
[1:53:31] move in and out the site.
[1:53:33] So if there was any blockage of it, go ahead and let me know.
[1:53:37] And with the fire chief who just showed it right there, so.
[1:53:39] Okay.
[1:53:40] So if the term has been kind of blown together, ingress egress is the public safety.
[1:53:44] the public says. So the other issue is parking. There's ingress egress to the residents too,
[1:53:48] but that's secondary. Egress egress to law and eems.
[1:53:53] Okay, so can we break it down a little bit? Can we get any more polls up there? How many parking spaces
[1:54:01] will we lose if we get three more polls, twenty more polls? If we could relocate a few parking spaces,
[1:54:09] We have any of that information.
[1:54:11] But what we could do is you direct that and we'll look at as many as we came without effect in public safety and we're going with fire chief and fire Marshall.
[1:54:20] Okay, so anything to say?
[1:54:21] Good evening council.
[1:54:22] My day goes on Beach Fire.
[1:54:24] I had the opportunity to walk the property for several hours along with the fire Marshall's been out there several times.
[1:54:31] And what you're seeing up there with the yellow poles or the yellow dots indicating the poles or the ones that do need to be.
[1:54:39] have a different option rather than the fixed poll.
[1:54:44] When we talk ingress, egress, access, it's the same as public safety.
[1:54:49] In order for us to be able to respond,
[1:54:52] we need to have those polls a different option than a...
[1:54:55] Is it the polls or the guy wires?
[1:54:57] It was actually both in that...
[1:55:00] We were looking at it as a combination. This is where the poll is, this is where the guide wire is. So if they were to come up with a different option, other than a poll with a guide wire, we could go back out to the site, we could walk it again and look at if having a different option besides guide wires might open up.
[1:55:18] Okay, so drilling possibly for more polls to be.
[1:55:21] Do you have any idea? I'm not going to hold you up, not off the top of my head, but I'm sure there would be some, but I can't give you a number.
[1:55:28] Okay, all right. Thank you and just as far as closer I was filled there and I brought up this structural
[1:55:35] We'd like and I went back and forth. We tried every you know then I brought up the fact that you could drill and you
[1:55:40] either steal you know steel tell helpful and polls different things
[1:55:44] Everything that there's there's a worth quick issues with that. So so I don't know if the support pole person
[1:55:49] We willing to take the liability of that, but that's that's just one of the issues that I thought I had the perfect solution
[1:55:55] So
[1:55:56] If there's any shakes, if you don't have it, that's why you have sheer walls.
[1:56:00] That's all.
[1:56:01] Okay, we'll get to that one.
[1:56:03] Thank you.
[1:56:04] Okay.
[1:56:07] Why is this exam from Sequo?
[1:56:10] Well, a couple of things.
[1:56:12] I think, and later on after the questions, I would like to address another letter that the council received.
[1:56:17] One of the few things is the project itself.
[1:56:19] It's not exempt from Sequo.
[1:56:20] In fact, the EIRs already in process to evaluate what environmental impacts.
[1:56:25] physical impacts are going to be subject to right now one of the things that's interesting
[1:56:32] is what they're saying is that the absence of the story poles is a project under
[1:56:37] sequence the absence of the story poles means there's no physical impact because nothing
[1:56:43] is going to be erected so if there's an even need a definition of a project under
[1:56:49] of SQL in addition, the story poles are being put up as an information gathering as part
[1:56:55] of the EIR process.
[1:56:56] So they're data collecting.
[1:56:57] So the story poles that are going to be put up and alternative in fact being a project
[1:57:03] under SQL, it's exempt under SQL under section 15306 because it is part of data collection
[1:57:09] for any potential visual impacts.
[1:57:12] Okay, what about the water issues that were brought up, the additional units are going to
[1:57:17] require more water and have us, oh, Mike, can you, Mike, did you want to speak to this
[1:57:23] issue?
[1:57:24] I'm sorry, I'm moving on.
[1:57:25] Okay, go ahead.
[1:57:26] One of the things that we've informed the applicant, if it were to be approved with the
[1:57:31] conditions, if the staff would be recommending to bring the recycling of water line that's
[1:57:35] down on Stevens, up to their project and to build use for all the irrigation that currently
[1:57:40] is not there now and another type of use is so.
[1:57:43] Okay. And the notice issue that this came up very quickly, I think it needs to be point out.
[1:57:53] The fact is this was noticed three times as much as what our regulation requires.
[1:57:59] This was noticed a thousand feet instead of the required 300 feet.
[1:58:02] So there were notice that above and beyond what is the legal requirement.
[1:58:06] And what about the time?
[1:58:09] Is it one week notice two weeks notice?
[1:58:11] The only requirement for government action is 72 hours, and it wants you to go out, wouldn't the noticing go out?
[1:58:25] It was less Monday, or the end of the week before, we couldn't find that out.
[1:58:32] So the legal notice you're saying is 72 hours, but we gave it like 10 days to you.
[1:58:36] In addition to the physical notice, they received this was actually in the paper too.
[1:58:41] For those of us who read the paper.
[1:58:42] Yes.
[1:58:43] For those that still read the paper, there was actually publication notice.
[1:58:48] Okay.
[1:58:49] There are some other things mentioned that aren't really questions, but we might get to in
[1:58:54] discussions.
[1:58:55] So that's all I have for notices.
[1:58:57] I'll turn it over to the rest of the council.
[1:58:58] Mr. Nichols, you're up next.
[1:59:01] Good.
[1:59:01] Good.
[1:59:01] Good.
[1:59:02] Good work.
[1:59:02] Good for now.
[1:59:05] And this was to the applicant.
[1:59:07] And I hate to say it, but it's just, it's kind of one of those things that I'm sitting here
[1:59:09] thinking about, because being in the design profession as well, you know, I'm thinking of myself
[1:59:14] while I'm here, and it's like, I heard tonight for the first time that you didn't realize
[1:59:17] that the polls are going to be a problem, so you actually went out there and painted the
[1:59:21] marks where the polls were going to be, and how could that, you know that that's a process
[1:59:26] here in the city, and you have an architect who works in the city so much, how could you
[1:59:30] not think that this was going to be a problem during the initial design?
[1:59:38] No excuse, we until they were physically in the locations they were and we saw the magnitude
[1:59:43] of the impact, as opposed to on paper, but in reality, that's when we realized that we
[1:59:49] had a true fire department issue.
[1:59:51] So once you realize that you had an issue with the polling, whether any discussions amongst
[1:59:56] the design team about how to maybe change the design to better economy.
[2:00:00] How many existing conditions in order to achieve a better polling?
[2:00:05] No, we focus. We'd continue to focus on the quality of the design of the project, as it would finish, as opposed to move buildings around, so that they were out of current driveways.
[2:00:17] Okay, so that's something to think about. Another question I had was about the polling itself with the structural, it is acceptable to overly estimate the size of the structure.
[2:00:29] correct. It doesn't have to necessarily be. Yeah, that was a dozen. That was one of my suggestions
[2:00:34] to over exaggerate it. So if you were to over exaggerate it, I mean, span that driveway
[2:00:40] with poles outside of it and then with a steel wire perhaps have indicators that come down
[2:00:46] off that wire that identify the corners of the buildings. Have you looked into how that would
[2:00:50] alleviate all the issues that you have now? Could you could you do that and maybe take all those
[2:00:58] in turn green? All the others in turn green, we don't think so, in the case of that particular
[2:01:04] location, you could put poles further out. The why the poles would have to be much taller
[2:01:10] is a fire truck, I think, is 14 feet. Those poles are only 12, 7 and 12, 9, so the poles
[2:01:19] will have to be much taller than would be location that why I would have to be very high
[2:01:24] and then you'd have to come over and drop down in flag.
[2:01:28] So that's possible.
[2:01:29] It might over exaggerate from a distance
[2:01:31] because people might pick up the poll and say,
[2:01:35] so it is possible.
[2:01:36] It's not perfect, but it's better, maybe.
[2:01:39] It's possible.
[2:01:40] And then the third question is,
[2:01:43] has there been any estimation on the amount of time
[2:01:46] it would take to set up the crane,
[2:01:48] certify it's height,
[2:01:51] not including time to actually visually inspect it.
[2:01:54] but then break the crane down and then move it to the next spot.
[2:01:58] How much time will that take to move to do,
[2:02:00] let's say, move from one pole, set up finish to the next pole.
[2:02:04] It'll vary depending on the height.
[2:02:06] The lower the poles, the quicker that will occur,
[2:02:09] the taller the poles that will take longer.
[2:02:12] Because you're looking at, I mean, as proposed,
[2:02:15] it would be quite a large number of poles.
[2:02:17] And, I mean, I'm sitting up here thinking,
[2:02:19] set it up, certify it, look at it,
[2:02:23] get down, move it. It's got to be 30, 45 minutes. Maybe an hour per poll because people actually
[2:02:28] have to go to their house and then look and then come back and talk and we're talking more
[2:02:33] than two days just to do the initial analysis. If it takes more than two days, we'll do more
[2:02:39] than two days. Of course, but it's been presented that it's only going to take two days, so
[2:02:43] it makes me think that it really hasn't been thought out that much, I guess, at the point.
[2:02:49] While we've we've practiced it in the field, we've done a couple of locations, we think
[2:02:53] we can cover with four lists, a lot of ground in two days.
[2:02:56] If we're wrong, we'll do more.
[2:02:57] It's not like we haven't done any of it in the field
[2:03:00] to see what's practical.
[2:03:02] OK, thank you.
[2:03:04] OK, couple, one other question that I came up with that I
[2:03:07] saw that I had was moving all of the parking,
[2:03:13] well, that doesn't make any sense.
[2:03:14] To move everybody down to St. James,
[2:03:16] because we still have this public safety issues, right?
[2:03:17] We can't do that.
[2:03:19] All right.
[2:03:21] I think that's all.
[2:03:22] I do want the city attorney to talk what she was, to mention what she was going to, which is the letter that came into us.
[2:03:28] Yes, late this afternoon, the city received a letter from an attorney from Loundsbury, Ferguson, Alton, and Peek.
[2:03:36] Mr. Felix Tinkov did not specify who his client was, but in fact asserted that there's some procedural defect that would constitute that would require the Council to deny this application.
[2:03:48] So I want to address a couple of those things, one of which is that Mr. Tinkoff wrongly assumed
[2:03:54] that the only person that have authority to actually waive story polls is the community
[2:03:59] development director, and the community development director may be appealed to the VAC.
[2:04:06] The VAC is a subordinate body by the council. And in fact, in this particular project,
[2:04:13] analysis is only a recommendation to the council. The council is the ultimate decision body
[2:04:18] in this case. Moreover, in our own ordinances, specifically 17.7255, the director may refer
[2:04:28] any items to the city council under which the city council will have the original hearing
[2:04:33] authority. So to answer Mr. Tinkov's point, yes, you have authority to hear this. The other
[2:04:40] The other thing that was mentioned is that in Sir Tinkov argued that Siqua is an issue.
[2:04:47] And I think that answers that question in terms of it is not a project.
[2:04:51] And even if it is a project that is exempt under Siqua, there's assertions that by doing this
[2:04:57] by a way of public hearing do
[2:05:00] We noticed, over-noticed, as some people may have pointed out, that somehow it is depriving the public,
[2:05:07] their due process rights because they're not being heard.
[2:05:10] I think on its face, it falls short, because the whole point of having a public hearing
[2:05:15] before the city council asks you experience tonight is that the public came out and spoke
[2:05:21] about their opinions as to what is before you, which is the polls not being able to be completely
[2:05:29] laid out as design. One of the things I think is also mentioned in Mr. Tinkov's letter
[2:05:36] is that nowhere, the council, as I mentioned, there's constitutional right
[2:05:43] protection. And part of that is that the applicant made a request. We can't say to
[2:05:48] the applicant, guess what, you're not going to get your request hurt. So that's why we're here.
[2:05:53] They made a request to request was to you, it's been heard.
[2:05:58] The couple of things that were actually mentioned during the public hearing was that what
[2:06:04] is the presidential value of the council waving portions of the story pole requirement in
[2:06:11] this particular case?
[2:06:12] Again, they're not waving it in this particular case through entertaining alternatives because
[2:06:18] it's impossible to put all the story poles the way it was originally laid out because of
[2:06:24] the current condition that exists at the project site.
[2:06:30] There's constitutional protection in place that says, look, council, you have the police
[2:06:35] power to actually provide and entertain alternatives if there is no feasible way to get it done
[2:06:42] and that's what you have before you are request to consider alternatives.
[2:06:45] The presidential value, there isn't any.
[2:06:48] You've heard me say it over and over before.
[2:06:51] Each project is evaluated based on that project's merit.
[2:06:55] In this case, if there's any other site in the city
[2:06:58] that has 404, 404, some residents
[2:07:02] that will have public safety issues
[2:07:05] because of the location of the guy wires,
[2:07:08] the story pole installations.
[2:07:10] Then by all means, maybe you can look at it,
[2:07:12] But this project is being evaluated on its own merits based on the opinion of staff and the public safety individuals.
[2:07:23] We also have this issue of, I think we touched upon it earlier, well, just have everybody move out.
[2:07:31] Or, or an alternative, well, they just have to suck it up and put up the whole thing.
[2:07:40] There's yet another, it's one of those legal concepts, there's constitutional issues that you cannot
[2:07:44] deprive somebody, the ability to actually develop something.
[2:07:47] And in this case, the code, as specified in the resolution, there are practical or impossibility
[2:07:54] that exists based on specific conditions on the site that requires for counsel and to entertain alternatives.
[2:08:01] And I'm available for any questions.
[2:08:03] So, some people have suggested that one way to kill this project is just to tell them they can't put up their story poles and then they can't build and so that's, you know, we're done with that, can you please address that?
[2:08:17] That will pose legal challenges for the Council because I, as I mentioned, there's constitutional principles that the Council needs to consider.
[2:08:26] One of which is if theirs in possibility or in practicality or public safety in this particular case that prevents them for putting or meeting our requirements,
[2:08:37] then the council based on state law and the constitutional principle will have to entertain alternatives.
[2:08:44] So if that is the case then we need to make findings under record very clear why the decision the council is going to reach is one way the other.
[2:08:52] Okay, all righty. Okay, so it's not time for council disclosures.
[2:08:57] I have met with the applicants, a couple of times, over the past, probably a couple of years.
[2:09:04] I have read many letters from many of you in e-mails.
[2:09:08] I've not spoken to any individuals personally yet about this project or the story poll waiver.
[2:09:14] Mr. Zito.
[2:09:19] Okay, so I'm familiar with the project.
[2:09:21] So obviously I did attend the EIR Scoping Meeting and made some comments that I'm meeting
[2:09:27] about how the process works and talked to some individuals about the project and heard
[2:09:32] their concerns.
[2:09:33] And I've received many other numerous concerns from residents about the project.
[2:09:37] I have not spoken with the developer.
[2:09:39] Mr. Nichols?
[2:09:41] I have had several meetings with the developer, of course, of, I don't know, maybe three
[2:09:45] years or plus or minus, talking about how they're ambitions to do this.
[2:09:51] project and have familiar with site, have not spoken directly within you, the residents
[2:09:57] and nearby other than regular letters.
[2:10:01] I have not the privilege of meeting with the developer nor have I spoken to any of the neighbors just received the emails that I think the rest of the council has received.
[2:10:14] Okay, thank you very much. Now, at this time we could close the public hearing, what do you think? Do you want to leave the public hearing open?
[2:10:20] I think it's probably a good idea to do that, and let's just go into Council discussion.
[2:10:25] So who wants to go first?
[2:10:29] Mr. Nichols?
[2:10:33] You know, I'm never in our time with it.
[2:10:34] I think that the applicant has stated that there may be an idea out there that they have not considered,
[2:10:42] and I think it would be a good if they all got together and maybe talked about it,
[2:10:45] because there's a lot of heads in this city that do a lot of things that Mr. Kaiser,
[2:10:49] For example, who works with 3D renderings, brought up some great points, I would encourage
[2:10:54] another level of talks amongst everyone so they can get an idea what this polling would
[2:11:00] or would not look like in their other ideas, follow up on the mayor's comment about the percentage
[2:11:06] of the polls, understand through the fire, chief here that some of them are public safety,
[2:11:12] perhaps all of them are public safety, but maybe one or two or three of these are just parking
[2:11:15] only, and if there's an analysis to know any additional ones can go up, it would be great,
[2:11:21] including an analysis of music structure poles, structured poles with oversized wiring,
[2:11:27] to maybe bridge the gap between some of those that are more important, especially the ones
[2:11:32] along the Nardo, and the taller buildings towards the back of the site, which are probably
[2:11:38] the most underrepresented in terms of, you know, along the church side, and the one large
[2:11:44] building that just has the one hole that was spoken to by one of the applicants.
[2:11:49] I mean, one of the speakers tonight.
[2:11:52] And then I think it's very, very important that if we do this with these lips after we kind of go through this little exercise,
[2:12:00] because I mean, honestly, this is the first time we're talking about it.
[2:12:02] A lot of people are just learning about it for the first time.
[2:12:04] We just received the new information when I sat down.
[2:12:07] We got this map.
[2:12:08] I'm having a chance to look at it at this map.
[2:12:11] So this is kind of the initial discussion in my opinion.
[2:12:14] of where this could go, but if we do it with the lifts, I really think that there needs
[2:12:20] to be a huge effort on the part of the applicant to really schedule this and figure out
[2:12:28] a schedule of how many hours it's going to take to do certain areas to make sure people
[2:12:32] are going to be home and that they're not going to be working or on vacation or anything like
[2:12:36] that because the importance here is to lessen the burden on the public because Mr. Ratzers
[2:12:43] You know, a lot of people, they look at plants, they don't know what they're really looking at and it's, and sort of Mr. Kaiser, and it's not a fence to them, they just do other things for other living.
[2:12:51] Some maybe teachers or, you know, librarians or other things that don't look at plants every day like the developers do, and it's hard to kind of visualize and a 3D envelope from a piece of paper and some polls, what that means.
[2:13:02] And this is quite a significant project, and I think that if it delays it, you know, a month or whatever, takes to get this meeting together, then, you know, that's 30 days that will allow people a better understanding that how it's going to affect their lives.
[2:13:13] not only for the four years that it's going to take to construct a project, but the lifetime
[2:13:17] that they're going to experience it while they continue to live in their homes.
[2:13:22] So those are kind of my initial thoughts.
[2:13:23] I would like to see that kind of action happen, and hopefully the rest of the council feels
[2:13:28] the same way.
[2:13:31] Thank you.
[2:13:31] Deputy Mayor Zito.
[2:13:33] Yeah.
[2:13:34] I think I can occur with most of the comments that council member Nichols made.
[2:13:38] I do think that I have a lot of faith in our staff and I believe that pretty much the exercise due diligence and probably have come up with most of the available good options, but I do think this is a lot of the public comment is noted is that the
[2:13:57] is that this is a very potentially impactful project and it's a very significant project for
[2:14:02] our city. So I think we need to buy us on the on the side of being over communicative and
[2:14:07] over a process oriented rather than on the other side. So I agree with the comments that council
[2:14:12] member Nichols made saying that it would be nice to have some sort of process where we could
[2:14:16] get some additional feedback on on what's being done. Maybe a forum where the story poll guy
[2:14:22] was there, the builder was there, and people would come
[2:14:25] and make recommendations.
[2:14:27] I do, however, all in, I do think our goal needs to be
[2:14:32] to get as many of these story poles up as possible,
[2:14:35] potentially may be using some of the suggestions
[2:14:37] that Council Member Nichols made earlier,
[2:14:39] of over story, story pulling bigger and then using some markings
[2:14:42] to make indication as to where the actual structure
[2:14:47] is going to be where possible.
[2:14:50] Having said that, I do think that some of the members of the public, I also sat on the
[2:14:55] View Assessment Commission for five years and on projects much, much, much simple.
[2:15:00] Order than this, it's difficult for most people to understand storyball plans. So I do think that the, I mean, I appreciate a lot of the
[2:15:08] comments that Jim Ratzker may but I also think that some people are overestimating the ability of the
[2:15:14] public to understand what the project can look like even if a war 100% storyball. It's just a big project and it's really
[2:15:20] difficult to internalize that. Our job is to make it as easy as possible. And I think one of the benefits that
[2:15:26] will be provided by this exception process,
[2:15:28] is that if you look at a normal story poll effort,
[2:15:32] the developer puts up the story polls,
[2:15:34] you look at them, you try to figure it out on your own,
[2:15:37] and you come back with your ideas later on,
[2:15:39] whether or not it's impactful.
[2:15:40] What we're proposing to have time periods of times
[2:15:43] out there where people will be out there
[2:15:44] to ask answer questions and to help you figure out
[2:15:47] what's going on, and I think that's actually a benefit
[2:15:50] through what this mechanism
[2:15:52] at the exception process would provide.
[2:15:55] So, to me that's a key part. And then the last thing, if we do, which I expect, we will ultimately need to weigh some of the story poles for me that I think is a key item.
[2:16:05] I think I'm going back to the back process. This is Jim Ratsker made a very good point that one of the key points of the view assessment process is to identify the primary viewing area and the impacts of the primary viewing areas.
[2:16:17] And so I think we need to make sure that when that is happening for the members that
[2:16:25] have to do the evaluation, whether that's the View Assessment Commission, should somebody
[2:16:28] file on the peel or if it's the council that we need to be able to do the modeling, meaning
[2:16:33] with the lifts showing the outlines of the structures, when everybody is available to be there.
[2:16:39] So, it probably means we need to schedule a public meeting or something like the public
[2:16:42] we notice meeting, but so that the buildings can be outlined that people that are on the
[2:16:47] to see a specific building or something like that, and it's full outline. And along those lines,
[2:16:53] not to make a bad pun. But when we have the story poles that can be put up, I do think we should
[2:17:01] put strings attached to those poles that would be used for the adjacent poles that can't be there,
[2:17:08] and just have them dangle and be secured so that when we are putting the lift, they can take those
[2:17:14] and go up with them. So you can actually then outline the building. So the strings may not be used all the time, but at least they'll be there and it makes it possible to do it.
[2:17:23] So those are my comments for now.
[2:17:27] Good and Council Member Marshall, please.
[2:17:33] Well, I know that development is scary, it's new, it's I know I understand that the neighbors are concerned and maybe afraid of this development.
[2:17:46] And possibly maybe we put the car before the horse maybe we should have had it a numerous
[2:17:52] amount of weekends where the lists were in place and the neighbors were noticed and they
[2:17:59] could go and get in the lifts and see where the story poles would have been the ones that
[2:18:05] can't go up and then had this hearing and and wave the 30% of the story poles.
[2:18:11] So I hear your concerns and I think that the developers doing all that they can and I'm sure
[2:18:18] they're going to work with the neighbors to allay your fears about the development and get
[2:18:25] you all the information they can.
[2:18:28] So.
[2:18:29] Thank you.
[2:18:30] Okay.
[2:18:31] So I do have some concerns because I do think that the residents have a right to see the full development
[2:18:40] in the impacts that it will have from them from their living room.
[2:18:43] I appreciate that Mr. Ratser.
[2:18:45] I do think that I just want to sort of parenthetically say I've also been on the
[2:18:50] View Assessment Committee and that the public needs to understand that part of the view
[2:18:53] process is that you pick one location in your house where the is the best viewing location
[2:18:59] and you can't pick like every single room or five rooms or wherever you have to pick one
[2:19:04] And then you have to determine that that is a view that a building would be blocking.
[2:19:11] You can't just say it's too big or whatever, it has to be a specific, from a specific area.
[2:19:17] So that might help when you're evaluating if you do have a view claim or not.
[2:19:22] Of course, Toy Poles also address another issue, which will come when the full project comes to us and that's the Balkan scale.
[2:19:29] that is addressed during the development review, a permit process, that's a whole
[2:19:34] another process, but in terms of view, which is what we're talking about right now,
[2:19:39] I think it's important that we get as many polls up there as possible.
[2:19:43] I'm interested in the concept that I forget who it was who said it, well, it doesn't matter.
[2:19:51] But at the St. James Fire Lane, that maybe if we could use them, that for some of the
[2:19:58] wires or poles that might allow.
[2:20:00] A few more to come up. I think it's important to distinguish, pardon me, from the church. Yes. I want to see us get more polls out there. We possibly can determine the difference between polls that are being eliminated due to public safety issues versus parking issues. I like the over story polling idea that might came up with, with the flags and the wires coming down. I like the idea that the deputy mayor came up with putting the strings up there.
[2:20:30] facilitate the lift faster. I think we've got to definitely be more than two days. I think
[2:20:37] that we have to maybe stretch this out over whatever time period it takes for the community
[2:20:43] to feel comfortable that they get a good visual of the impacts of this project would have
[2:20:49] in its entirety on their living condition, their primary view. So I think that what needs to
[2:20:56] occur is a little bit more discussion, and by the way, anybody can
[2:21:00] call Mr. Aud if they want, he's very available to the public.
[2:21:03] I'm not just developers can sit down and talk with him.
[2:21:07] And see if we can come up with a couple of other more creative
[2:21:10] ideas to get out more polls and give us some more specific
[2:21:14] information on which of those polls in the highest over 30
[2:21:21] of a plane that you have that, is it a larger percentage than normal?
[2:21:25] I personally do not believe you're trying to pull the wall over people's eyes.
[2:21:29] I have experienced meeting with you over a period of time.
[2:21:32] I do think that you're a good guy.
[2:21:36] You are proposing, you are a developer, but you are a good guy.
[2:21:39] Some people really can wear both shoes.
[2:21:42] You're proposing a development, and it is a little bit scary.
[2:21:46] But I do think that your intentions are clear.
[2:21:48] And in fact, one of the reasons we're here, it's over in the bubble we needed to do, it could have been done at the directors level as the city manager said.
[2:21:57] So, you're good?
[2:21:58] Okay, so I think that what we need to do is ask the city attorney what direction you need from us and give us some suggestions.
[2:22:06] If I'm hearing the desire of the consensus from the council, is that you wish to continue the public hearing, if that is the case, then you need to leave the public hearing open.
[2:22:17] And as an admonition to the public, if the council chooses to leave the public hearing open,
[2:22:23] you may not contact them, not because it is, they don't want to talk to you, it's because I tell them,
[2:22:29] and the law says they cannot talk to you outside of the public hearing.
[2:22:32] The question is going to be whether or not this is going to be continued to a date certain.
[2:22:38] I mean, it's just, so I heard around 30 days, we can always continue to get there and that kind of stuff.
[2:22:46] So I'm looking at April 8th.
[2:22:49] Okay. April 8th, we'll be back in this room.
[2:22:52] Mr. Nichols, sorry, Mr. Zito and the Mr. Nichols.
[2:22:56] Yeah, it was just going to make such a motion which was to continue
[2:23:00] the public hearing to a date certain on April 8th.
[2:23:03] And I believe part of that would be to have at least one public
[2:23:07] meeting where people could come that has the applicant
[2:23:10] in the story pool of the company there to talk.
[2:23:13] Thanks, I'll make that motion.
[2:23:14] Okay, Mr. Nichols, do you have to second that motion and then speak?
[2:23:19] Second the motion.
[2:23:20] Okay, all right, I'm going to call for the vote.
[2:23:25] This is to continue the public hearing to update certain passes for zero with one absent.
[2:23:30] Thank you very much for your participation in this process.
[2:23:32] Appreciate you coming out.
[2:23:34] We know this is a big project and it impacts you a lot.
[2:23:36] Thanks for taking the time.
[2:23:39] Okay, we'll take a five minute break.
[2:29:11] We're ready to move on to staff reports. City manager, C1.
[2:29:16] Excuse me, I want to turn this right over to the city attorney.
[2:29:19] Okay.
[2:29:21] Please bear with me. The action here for you tonight is to adopt ordinance 457.
[2:29:29] An ordinance of the City Council of the City of Solana Beach, California,
[2:29:33] A Mending Section 2.04.2222 of Chapter 2.04, a Mending Section 2.32.090, Section 2.32.110, and
[2:29:46] Section 2.32.120, and adding Section 3.32150 of Chapter 3.32 of the Solana Beach Municipal Code
[2:29:57] relating to appeal procedures.
[2:30:01] May I have a motion, Mr. Zito, and the ready to do that would be so stomved.
[2:30:09] Moorjou adopt staff recommendation as outlined by the City Attorney.
[2:30:12] Thank you. In the second, please. Ms. Marshall, the second it.
[2:30:22] That passes for zero with one absent. Okay. C2.
[2:30:26] Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, City Council. This is resolutions.
[2:30:28] and consenting to inclusion of the City of Slanted Beach properties in the California
[2:30:33] Home Finance Authority, PACE Programs, and Associate Membership and California Home Finance
[2:30:38] Authority.
[2:30:39] This item is before you tonight to consider adopting two resolutions that would offer as a
[2:30:43] city to participate in why green works, PACE, Finance and Programme.
[2:30:48] Can a king will present this first tonight?
[2:30:51] Thank you.
[2:30:52] Thank you.
[2:30:52] Thank you.
[2:30:53] Thank you.
[2:30:55] Thank you.
[2:30:55] you know, we'll never remember the City Council.
[2:30:58] See, I'm answering to do this as I'm before you tonight
[2:30:59] to consider approving and adopting the Whitering
[2:31:02] PACE Finance and Program.
[2:31:04] So brief introduction.
[2:31:06] PACE stands for Proper Access Clean Energy.
[2:31:09] In PACE Programs, the Louth Proper Yonder is the voluntarily
[2:31:11] placed in assessment on the property for the purchase
[2:31:13] and installation of permanently fixed energy efficiency,
[2:31:17] renewable energy, energy water conservation,
[2:31:19] and efficiency improvements, as well as electric vehicle
[2:31:21] charging infrastructure.
[2:31:24] So the significant benefits is that it's
[2:31:25] completely voluntary for property owners and that there's no risk for liability and really limited cost of municipalities.
[2:31:32] The financing of the property owners is repaid over time through annual assessments on the property tax bill and is authorized by state law.
[2:31:42] So the city has been involved with pace legislation since its inception back in July of 2008 with the passing of ABA 11.
[2:31:51] The City is one of the original jurisdictions in California to join the California First
[2:31:55] PACE Program in 2010.
[2:31:57] The City is also one of the first jurisdictions in San Diego County to join the Hero PACE
[2:32:01] Program back in 2013, as well as a fig tree, which is a commercial component of that.
[2:32:07] PACE part financing program to remain a city council priority since 2010.
[2:32:11] The council is reiterated.
[2:32:12] It is desired to analyze all feasible PACE programs to allow for open competition and more options for the community.
[2:32:20] So recently represented this from Y Green, Crystal Crawford, and I'm back there who are
[2:32:24] in the attendance tonight, do you have any specific questions about their program?
[2:32:28] They're available for comments, but their poster city requested this line of beach
[2:32:32] consider becoming one of the first cities in San Diego County to join their new statewide
[2:32:37] page program, which is a Y Green program, Y Green has a successful program up and running
[2:32:42] in Chulavista, but that's specifically for Chulavista only, and this is kind of their first
[2:32:47] white venture.
[2:32:50] The representatives, Chris O'Neill, met with the Sloan beach cleaning
[2:32:53] green community as well as the environmental sustainability standing committee to
[2:32:58] present this idea and receive favorable responses.
[2:33:02] The white green program is similar to the hero-paste program in the functionality, whereas
[2:33:07] white green is really the administrator for a larger established statewide JPA. White green is
[2:33:12] helping to establish under the SB555 or the Miller's Act, but they're also submitting under
[2:33:18] 8-11 as well, which is currently seeking validation, judicial validation for both programs.
[2:33:25] And if we approve of the C, we've become an associate member of the California Home Finance Authority,
[2:33:29] which is the statewide JPA, imprimous property owners within the city to participate.
[2:33:37] And briefly, these are the examples of types of improvements that can be included with the PACE Finance
[2:33:41] program.
[2:33:44] So, in conclusion, staff recommends that the City Council adopt resolution 2015,
[2:33:48] 0, 2, 9, and resolution 2015, 0, 3, 0, consenting to inclusion of properties within the
[2:33:54] city's incorporation, incorporated area, and the wide green face program.
[2:33:57] Thank you, Danny. Any questions? Mr. Cito? I think we might have a speaker. Do we have a speaker?
[2:34:04] No? Okay.
[2:34:06] There's a basic question. Do we happen to know you mentioned the different types of financing,
[2:34:09] but what the general role of cost is between the two, the interest rate that's charged to the customer, or is that a better question for them?
[2:34:17] Yeah, thank you very much.
[2:34:18] Okay.
[2:34:22] Good evening, Mayor, Council and staff.
[2:34:24] Thank you very much for having us on the agenda.
[2:34:26] The interest rates are very similar to the other programs that you're already participating in.
[2:34:31] Although, a wide range, very proud of the fact that there have been a number of comparisons by cities and counties around the state.
[2:34:36] And we do come in less expensive in terms of fees and the interest rates, the difference is fairly slight, and it ranges from about 6% to about 8 depending on the term of years that you choose.
[2:34:50] We have terms from five years all the way up to 30 years, which is one of the advantages of our programs that we can offer longer financing terms, which makes the financing more affordable.
[2:35:00] Okay, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Nice to see you, Kristall. Council members, Nickles.
[2:35:08] Just a good question was more about the JPA part of it. So there's no cost to the city, but do we have any other obligations to be included as part of this JPA?
[2:35:18] No, not at all. So there's no staff, time really needed. Go ahead, Kristall, if you want to. Actually, you're walking up there.
[2:35:24] So, again, similar to your other programs, the JPA performs all of the administrative functions.
[2:35:32] Certainly, there is the time that was involved in bringing the item to the council this evening.
[2:35:36] And we do welcome input from City Manager from staff and from the council, frankly, if you have suggestions about how to best market the program and reach out to residents and business owners in the community to advertise and educate the public about the program.
[2:35:53] But other than that, there's no cost to join, no obligations.
[2:35:57] The city would have access to other programs that are offered
[2:36:00] by California Home Finance Authority, which offers affordable housing
[2:36:04] and other energy efficiency type financing.
[2:36:07] First time home via programs, that sort of thing.
[2:36:09] That comes with your joining as an associate member.
[2:36:13] But again, no obligations and no cost.
[2:36:14] No liabilities.
[2:36:15] No liabilities.
[2:36:16] Because well, thanks.
[2:36:18] Thank you.
[2:36:20] OK, time for motion.
[2:36:24] Yeah, so I'll make the motion to approve staff resolution and can I, our staff program, can I do both in one is that okay?
[2:36:32] Okay, and the doctor resolution in 2015-029 and 2015-030 is outlined in the staff report.
[2:36:40] Very good, and I'm happy to second that, and seeing you at a request to speak.
[2:36:48] I will call for the vote,
[2:36:51] and that passes for zero with one absent. Congratulations.
[2:36:54] Thank you very much.
[2:36:55] Are we the first?
[2:36:56] You are okay.
[2:36:58] Yeah.
[2:36:59] Thank you.
[2:37:00] You're welcome.
[2:37:01] Okay.
[2:37:01] Now we're on to see three.
[2:37:04] Yes.
[2:37:04] This is discussions of parking for recreation of vehicles.
[2:37:08] This one of these municipal code provides for regulations regarding the parking of recreation vehicles.
[2:37:13] Stop being standing parking in which allows recreation vehicles to park on public streets and public parking lots for 24 hours.
[2:37:19] Over the past year, Deputy Mayor of Sino and staff have received several complaints stating that the
[2:37:25] Recreation type vehicles were taken up significant parking space.
[2:37:29] They were unsightly and were difficult to see when turning quarters or either in a roadway or driveway.
[2:37:37] Deputy Mayor Zino has requested staff to research options for the parking of Recreation Vehicles and this report
[2:37:43] proper rights, possible attorneys. This time is before Council for discussion and to provide
[2:37:47] direction to staff, one day's going to present us one, and at the end of this we'll be
[2:37:52] showing you some of what some other cities have done a little bit.
[2:37:55] Okay, and then I see we have one speaker. Do you have a speaker?
[2:37:59] Yeah, okay. Okay, thank you, Wendy.
[2:38:01] Good evening, Mayor and City Council members. As City Manager Aote had already mentioned, the
[2:38:07] complaints that we have been receiving are out there. There is insignificant space for them to
[2:38:12] park, they're unsightly. It is difficult to maneuver around them, and I would say in the past
[2:38:17] year, particularly the past six months, code enforcement has experienced more complaints
[2:38:21] on this particular issue. The current regulation say that no person shall park any motorhome
[2:38:29] or camper on any public street or public parking lot for a period of 24 or more consecutive
[2:38:36] of hours, which means that within every 24 hour period it needs to move.
[2:38:42] There's also one for camp, camp for trailers and boats, not boat showers, I don't know
[2:38:47] if we wanted to discuss that one tonight, but I put that up there as the regulation because
[2:38:51] the two are combined together.
[2:38:54] I also have the definition of street up there, I believe you received a letter that spoke
[2:38:59] of streets, so I made sure that the definition for you was there or an available.
[2:39:05] Okay, so some possible alternatives.
[2:39:06] It's obviously no change to the current regulations that we have.
[2:39:10] We use the same time limit established for the camp trailers.
[2:39:14] Both are boat trailers, which was the two-hour periods.
[2:39:18] The camp trailers, boats are boat trailers, do not address public parking lots while the
[2:39:26] recreation of vehicles do, so that may be something you want to consider with that one.
[2:39:31] You can restrict the hours and our days of the week that they can be parked.
[2:39:37] There could be no overnight parking and determine what hours you would set that out of
[2:39:41] Possibilities 10 p.m. to 6 a.m.
[2:39:44] You can restrict by size and our type.
[2:39:46] I've seen that along beach areas.
[2:39:49] You can restrict by location.
[2:39:51] So in other words,
[2:39:52] some of these restrictions may apply in some parts of the city and not in others.
[2:39:56] Different restrictions may apply in different areas.
[2:39:59] Thank you.
[2:40:00] Then there's a permit program where an individual can come down and actually apply for a permit through the city.
[2:40:08] You would have to determine how many times a year they could have this permit for how many hours they could possibly leave it there.
[2:40:14] And you're going to see some different programs that actually allow for that in other cities.
[2:40:19] And how often they can do this. This would also apply to their guests, so if they had somebody that was going to be coming into town,
[2:40:26] The property owner could come down and apply for that permit for their guest.
[2:40:30] So it's available for them when they arrive.
[2:40:33] And of course, any combination of the options above could work.
[2:40:37] Considerations are enforcement.
[2:40:39] We do it in force now, and we have in force now.
[2:40:43] But without movement of every 24 hours, they will get in and move it around the block
[2:40:48] and come back and park down the road a little bit further.
[2:40:50] It's difficult.
[2:40:52] And it creates that same situation that the neighbors are complaining about.
[2:40:55] Parking distances from intersections in our driveways, we might want to expand that a little bit further.
[2:41:01] And requirements, limitations of Parking Recreation will be a cause on private property.
[2:41:07] If we're going to consider private property more, we might want to consider what depth you want, the driveway to be, whether or not you want it to be.
[2:41:16] Block from public view, you know, there's other considerations for that.
[2:41:20] Okay, so Delmar has a parking limited four hours.
[2:41:23] And then I have a permit program, which is available up to 48 hours, and you can have
[2:41:29] number of the six permits a year, so you can come in six times a year to obtain one.
[2:41:35] As the latest, you can park between, or you cannot park between 10 and 10 at 9 and 6 in
[2:41:40] the morning.
[2:41:42] There are also 48 hours of non consecutive overnight parking, so you can park for 48 hours,
[2:41:49] but it's, it's not every day.
[2:41:54] or see we have to actually keep applying.
[2:41:57] A permits can be used for residents or visitors
[2:41:59] must be part of the property, and there's no overnight camping.
[2:42:05] Within the vehicle.
[2:42:06] Carls that restricts overnight parking between 2 a.m.
[2:42:09] and 5 a.m., you can get yearly permits.
[2:42:11] Residents can get 1, 4 times a month,
[2:42:14] guess 6 times a year, and must park within 400 feet
[2:42:17] of the residents.
[2:42:20] Ocean side has a 72 hour limit, and you must move
[2:42:23] at least a half a mile away within that 72 hours.
[2:42:27] You can request a 72 hour extension
[2:42:29] four times a year per vehicle.
[2:42:32] San Diego is no parking between two AM and six AM.
[2:42:36] Permits are available for 24 hour periods,
[2:42:38] not to exceed a total 72 hours at any one time.
[2:42:42] They, you can obtain one for 72 days out of the year.
[2:42:46] And you must park on the same block
[2:42:48] that the residents lives on.
[2:42:51] And that's what I have for you.
[2:42:52] So we're looking for direction.
[2:42:55] Okay, so we want direction just discussion.
[2:42:57] We're not going to be approving or disapproving anything tonight.
[2:42:59] We're just going to give you info to come back in a later time.
[2:43:02] Mr. Zito, you have a question this afternoon?
[2:43:03] Yeah, just a good question on your street comment.
[2:43:05] So the specific thing that was also addressed, I think, in the letter that we got,
[2:43:10] was definition of street with respect to either right-of-way easements.
[2:43:14] And my belief is that street includes all of these events,
[2:43:17] as well as just the paved area of the street.
[2:43:20] if there's a right is that correct?
[2:43:25] Well we've been down this we've actually had a situation before and when we went through all the definitions
[2:43:30] haven't we worked with the city attorney if the easement is on the is not the through traffic
[2:43:38] way where vehicles are traveling on your property then we could not enforce it we were unable to
[2:43:44] close those on your properties for example and the street that I live on the pavement probably
[2:43:49] because 14 feet, but the right away is 20 feet.
[2:43:53] So is that six feet on my property?
[2:43:54] It's not.
[2:43:55] You went and jumped in here.
[2:43:56] You were part of this.
[2:43:58] It was part of what this all day.
[2:44:01] We actually had this conversation.
[2:44:03] I was in the impression that there's
[2:44:05] a distinction between public right away versus public street.
[2:44:09] I think the definition that when they
[2:44:10] is talking about is public street.
[2:44:13] And they're only talking about the pavement section.
[2:44:15] But when you're talking about public right away,
[2:44:16] where the city has jurisdiction, control, over trying to find the property line point of view,
[2:44:25] then we are looking at the right way. That's where a setbacks are measured all of the zoning
[2:44:32] regulations will implement. For the purpose of vehicle code, I think they have a different
[2:44:36] definition for public street. This is really the pavement pavement. I don't know if it's clear
[2:44:41] I mean if it's pavement to pavement, that's very clear, but that means if a street becomes
[2:44:47] improved, something that may, if we only did street, something that may be okay now, may not
[2:44:52] be okay once that street gets improved, just so I'm clear, but we can also, we can regulate
[2:45:00] The right-of-way as well with respect to this? Yes, we can. Okay. I'm sorry to see you. I'm sorry to see you.
[2:45:05] That's the report. That purpose amendments to our code. Yes, that could be accomplished.
[2:45:11] Councilmember Nichols, please.
[2:45:15] So today, if someone parks a boat for two hours, they can get ticket. Right?
[2:45:21] But there's no signs or anything that post the law. We'll kind of, do we have to start posting signs about arguing and all this
[2:45:29] things that might happen in order to be possible.
[2:45:32] Yeah, in order for us to enforce any of our regulations, there has to be notice and that's
[2:45:37] usually in a form of a sign. So yes.
[2:45:39] All over all the neighborhoods?
[2:45:41] Well, that if that is the most important, if there's certain provisions that need to be enforced
[2:45:47] before law enforcement can take it them, there needs to be some notice.
[2:45:51] What about just the entrances to the city?
[2:45:55] So what we usually do?
[2:45:56] Because we experience this right now one we're a reactive easily than rather than proactive so it's a complaint driven
[2:46:03] Then we
[2:46:04] Provide warning
[2:46:06] You know, they didn't give them the code so that's the notice
[2:46:09] You know, and then it's dead. So inside yeah, and then if the second time
[2:46:14] We'll take home
[2:46:16] So you've been note on the car the vehicle we're getting a warning
[2:46:19] Let's say you have been noticed right we're going to need two hours or two hours or whatever the
[2:46:25] So we have to move this vehicle right.
[2:46:27] Give me a special question.
[2:46:31] So are we having this discussion?
[2:46:33] Because there's one rogue RV playing cat and mouse on one street.
[2:46:40] Or is this a chronic problem?
[2:46:41] It's on a beach.
[2:46:42] Mr. Zito?
[2:46:45] So there are a couple of them that have been problems for several years.
[2:46:48] There was also, which is another thing that I was going to ask in a little bit.
[2:46:52] There's also, there was previously a problem with a bus in a different part of Sloan Beach,
[2:46:57] which was an old school bus that was getting parked for long periods of time in certain neighborhoods.
[2:47:03] So it's a recurring problem.
[2:47:07] I wouldn't say it's an insurmountable problem from a volume perspective,
[2:47:12] but it's definitely not a single instance.
[2:47:17] That's just my personal experience, staff may have more anecdotal evidence as well.
[2:47:22] Staff anything yet?
[2:47:24] Well, the last six months we have had an increase in compliance in this particular area.
[2:47:31] More so I spoke to Tom Ward in this morning about it.
[2:47:34] He's been here for 23 years and this, for whatever reason,
[2:47:38] the last six months this has been the most compliance that he has received on this particular issue.
[2:47:43] One other question though, do we have any idea, I mean I assume for a good part of the east side of Solana Beach is actually not legal because of CC and ours, but do we have any idea how much of our city is actually already covered by bands that would be enforced through homeowner's association.
[2:47:59] Well, there's not public right away, public roads.
[2:48:04] Okay, so they can.
[2:48:06] Okay, let's hear from our speaker.
[2:48:11] Andy Smith.
[2:48:13] Thank you.
[2:48:14] Mayors and Council.
[2:48:17] I actually agree.
[2:48:18] You've got, I read the letter.
[2:48:20] You've got a few people playing cat and mouse parking in the dense area, not using
[2:48:24] their property.
[2:48:25] My experience in Sloan Beach, whether it's people playing trailers with, you know, toy vehicles
[2:48:32] or having RVs or having boats, is everyone's been really respectful.
[2:48:37] They're respectful in terms of them preparing for a trip or, you know, coming back from
[2:48:42] a trip.
[2:48:42] And neighbors work it out amongst themselves.
[2:48:46] Now, what I highly recommend is,
[2:48:48] look at the state of California and how they define
[2:48:50] an oversized vehicle when we all buy our passes
[2:48:53] the use of state beaches.
[2:48:55] Whether it's going to be Sanilejo or C-side,
[2:48:58] they define an oversized vehicle as 25 feet or larger.
[2:49:03] And that includes a pickup truck,
[2:49:04] pulling a trailer or a standalone vehicle,
[2:49:07] or nine feet or a wider.
[2:49:08] That capture is most of the large vehicles.
[2:49:11] When you put up your RV, your challenge is, what about a Volkswagen van again?
[2:49:17] Those according to the MV are at RV and according to the financing laws, you can finance
[2:49:22] over 20 years because it has certain aspects to it that allow you to consider to be a second
[2:49:26] home.
[2:49:28] There are Mercedes-Base Sprinters, all right, I know three in our neighborhood.
[2:49:33] We, they're used as daily commuters.
[2:49:35] They can be outfitted as a passenger van or many times as a camper.
[2:49:39] I happen to have one that's up if it is a camper. It can be used as a regular use vehicle, and I can choose to use mine daily.
[2:49:46] People who have these vehicles, they are 7 and a half feet wide. They're narrower than a suburban. They are narrower than a duly pickup.
[2:49:55] They are 23 feet long, which is shorter than a suburban and likewise.
[2:50:00] The are smaller than a four-door pickup truck.
[2:50:05] Folks like us, we're not causing the problem here.
[2:50:08] We park our vehicles in front of our houses oftentimes in the offset, not on the pavement.
[2:50:15] We work with our neighbors, so they're not in sight.
[2:50:18] We have neighbors who have vehicles that you get into this parking police issue.
[2:50:23] We have neighbors who may have a convertible that's used once a year.
[2:50:27] that's undercover that you could see as unsightly versus a brand new one or two year old Mercedes
[2:50:33] Sprinter or Vanigan. It's not so much about that. It's about neighbors treating each other
[2:50:37] with respect. So I just urge you all to take it in a more as a case-by-case basis because there are
[2:50:42] people who will go park in areas, I think, is, well, these are apartments, no one will notice
[2:50:48] they can't park it near their homes within 400 feet as per some roles. But I would start with
[2:50:54] oversized vehicles versus RV versus boat versus one or another because again you could be in
[2:51:00] the same room arguing about someone has a work truck with a work trailer that they park
[2:51:05] oftentimes in front of their house because that's your livelihood and if it works out with
[2:51:09] their neighbors I think you should allow that if the park a work truck again in front of apartments
[2:51:14] done in Nardo and it's taking parking spaces away from others I don't think that's appropriate
[2:51:20] So it becomes a little bit more case-by-case, so that's my recommendation go case-by-case
[2:51:24] but likewise consider what's oversized vehicle versus not oversized vehicle because it's really
[2:51:29] about parking and and that's gonna really address your needs more than is an RV or a boat or a trailer.
[2:51:36] That's all. Thanks.
[2:51:38] Thank you.
[2:51:39] Okay, I'm cancel, let's discuss Mr. Nicole.
[2:51:43] I just a comment question based on what we just heard.
[2:51:48] So this is all basically complaint driven.
[2:51:50] I think you said code enforcement's not going around
[2:51:54] chalk and tires looking for this problem.
[2:51:58] So to the speaker's point, it largely would be case by case
[2:52:03] because it would be someone calling and saying
[2:52:04] to the neighbors, it is the neighbors.
[2:52:09] Let me sense.
[2:52:10] Mr. Zito.
[2:52:18] Yeah, so I actually grew with the comments, the speaker made, I'm more interested in looking
[2:52:22] at oversized vehicles than opposed to small campers.
[2:52:25] It's the things that are the eye sort of that are being used for storage on our public
[2:52:29] streets.
[2:52:31] I'll be interested to hear what other people, the opinions of, I think it would be a long
[2:52:37] order of having a way that people are complaining that we could easily enforce it.
[2:52:42] That's a little bit more effective than what we have today, which is something, you know, if somebody gets a complaint, they could just go move it and then suddenly 24 hours later is in a different spot and so you can't take it them anymore.
[2:52:55] My thoughts would be, you know, perhaps a program where it was restricted overnight parking and then a permit based day-type parking activity.
[2:53:04] It would be permanent, so you could get a certain, you know, if you have guests coming from out of town you could get them a permit or something like that, so they could actually have a place to park their vehicle for a while.
[2:53:15] I think most people who have really large vehicles should be expecting to be able to score them somewhere else rather than on the public streets.
[2:53:23] That's just my opinion.
[2:53:25] So those are some of my initial thoughts.
[2:53:29] Okay, well, I actually am interested in this because I've seen too many RVs parked around whether they're considered oversized or just our RVs or whatever
[2:53:40] They are using the same manner and they just sit there for a very long period of time
[2:53:45] And whether they're pretty in high inexpensive or, you know, ugly and unsightly is not my concern
[2:53:51] It's just that they are there and they are blocking things in there
[2:53:55] They're using the streets to partner to park their vehicle rather than on their driveway or in a storage unit or whatever.
[2:54:05] So I'd like to see some, you know, permit-based types of things, ours, whatever you think, whatever you think is not just enforceable, but fair to neighbors, so that there are not.
[2:54:22] Are these which seem to be more and more popular? I'm not sure what this is just parked in the right of way, and
[2:54:29] You know, maybe move to a couple feet a day if that becomes an issue
[2:54:32] I don't I don't want that to be the way to get out of it.
[2:54:38] Do you know if because nobody else is pushing this speaker button?
[2:54:42] Mr. Z. Do you know if you do want to say more?
[2:54:45] We don't need a motion right we just right across this information
[2:54:49] I want a new button. There's what I want to say. Yeah
[2:54:53] I'll just have one point, so at this point I have no interest in providing any new regulations for private properties, I mean, I think people
[2:55:00] We all above and beyond what we do. I assume if somebody parks a vehicle on the middle of their lawn in the front yard, that actually is probably something that could eventually be a code enforcement issue already, but with respect to new regulations, it's mostly the streets and potentially right away is the mayor said that would be some of interest to me. Unfortunately, we only have feedback from two council members to be nice to have at last, at least three if there were to see if there are others interested.
[2:55:26] Okay, Mr. Nichols.
[2:55:28] Yeah, I gave a little feedback.
[2:55:30] Do you want more?
[2:55:31] I agree.
[2:55:33] You know, I think you'd limit it to the streets.
[2:55:35] You don't limit it.
[2:55:36] The private property alone, if somebody was to part there RV, or I think you need to work
[2:55:40] on the definition of what recreational vehicle means, or oversized vehicle means, and
[2:55:44] tie it to the vehicle code.
[2:55:46] So we don't have any arguments between what is what, but I think the minimal effect is probably
[2:55:54] the most desired something that you could incrementally grow if it doesn't address the problem,
[2:55:58] but giving it's giving neighbors an ability to call in versus having, don't make it a
[2:56:07] code enforcement, seek and destroy kind of thing, you know, they're just out with and purchase.
[2:56:13] I think if you're going to do the permit thing, you got to make it super easy and it's got to be
[2:56:20] And it's got to be just almost like you could do it on the city's website, just register.
[2:56:24] Hey, I've got friends or family or I'm parking my RV on the city street.
[2:56:29] Here's my address.
[2:56:30] It can be free in my opinion.
[2:56:33] Make it so it's like people know that you're doing it.
[2:56:38] And otherwise, no way is going to do it.
[2:56:39] Then you're going to do the whole thing if like having neighbors call and come by.
[2:56:43] Yeah.
[2:56:43] That's my opinion.
[2:56:44] I think it is easy.
[2:56:46] Thanks.
[2:56:48] I guess I don't know how many complaints we've had, how many different RVs are there, I don't see the issue.
[2:56:56] We have a 24 hour parking regulation for RVs.
[2:57:01] I think neighbors should be able to work it out.
[2:57:04] I mean, they have to move it every 24 hours.
[2:57:07] I don't know.
[2:57:08] I don't think we need an extra ordinance for RVs at this point.
[2:57:12] It's, I don't see 20 RVs parked out,
[2:57:14] but you're kind of in the summer time.
[2:57:18] Thank you.
[2:57:19] I'm not going again, and I just wanted to say,
[2:57:21] I personally do have a problem with boats,
[2:57:22] parking the, and there are people's front lawns,
[2:57:24] do we have an ordinance on that or something on that?
[2:57:28] It's the same thing.
[2:57:29] If it's on the street,
[2:57:30] they can only park there for two hours,
[2:57:33] but if they're on the actual property,
[2:57:35] then no, we don't.
[2:57:37] So, that.
[2:57:38] Okay.
[2:57:39] So, I kind of falls into the same thing.
[2:57:40] by the way, or the public right away.
[2:57:43] It's a distinction between their driveway and their front yard
[2:57:47] or their front yard or no.
[2:57:48] No, no.
[2:57:50] Well, I have to say that bothers me because I have that happen
[2:57:53] in our neighborhood for a long time.
[2:57:54] Most people have since moved out, but it's pretty unsightly.
[2:57:58] And does not really look like Slon Beach.
[2:58:01] OK, seeing nobody else up, I think we've given enough direction.
[2:58:07] Thank you very much for looking into that.
[2:58:08] Thank you for bringing it up, Mr. Zito.
[2:58:10] now we are going to turn my own mic off. And now we're at work plan comments. I see none.
[2:58:17] Compensation reimbursement disclosures. I see none. Council committee reports.
[2:58:25] I have something to report.
[2:58:31] So we have a, well one, I'll briefly mention even though it didn't meet that I mentioned a little bit beforehand
[2:58:37] that the Coastal Commission met today on the application of the San Diego River Park JPA to keep
[2:58:44] the boardwalk in place that exists there and unfortunately on a 55-type vote the Coastal
[2:58:50] Commission was not able to take any action. So I'm assuming that'll come back to the River
[2:58:54] Valley JPA but it looks like there's a good chance that boardwalk will have to come out at this
[2:58:59] point which is really sad because it's pretty much 100% of the public and that is the opposite
[2:59:05] opinion of that. So that's one update with respect to the San
[2:59:09] Alejo JPA. In the last meeting we had on Monday, we did authorize the
[2:59:16] general manager to enter an interview in agreement or at least it'll come back
[2:59:20] a budgeting time to take over management of the Delmar pump station, which will
[2:59:24] be the pump station that will be feeding into our JPA. And when they start when we
[2:59:33] are taking their waste water in a couple of years, or in a year, I mean, about a roughly
[2:59:37] year.
[2:59:38] But I think that's a good thing.
[2:59:40] The other thing that came up was that we also decided to authorize the other two other
[2:59:47] agencies, the Santa Fe Currication District, and the Santa Guida Water District, to jointly
[2:59:51] do a study on portable rease of water and the waste water.
[2:59:57] and we're going to be looking at what options.
[3:00:00] We have to actually be able to recycle more water and make it available for bottle reuse and in reservoir that's a little bit further away from us.
[3:00:10] That's pretty exciting. I think this is pretty cool stuff.
[3:00:14] very cool. Councilmember Marshall do you have anything else? Nichols? Anything?
[3:00:21] Mr. Nichols?
[3:00:23] Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. You talk.
[3:00:26] I was going to say we can both talk about the 22nd Ag District meeting.
[3:00:29] Yeah. That was what today's go?
[3:00:33] Just yesterday.
[3:00:34] Yesterday.
[3:00:34] Yesterday.
[3:00:36] And we had a presentation by a private event planning group
[3:00:42] and they have a large, music-fast, three-day music-fast
[3:00:47] coming to the Fairgrounds in November, called September.
[3:00:50] September, called Cabal. Cabu. Cabu.
[3:00:53] You can go to their website, but I warn you if you go there.
[3:00:56] Not everything that's on there is, it's going to make you maybe go a little bit too excited
[3:01:00] because they're going to clean it up and they'll be addressed some of the issues
[3:01:02] because it looks like it's going to be a part of a 3 a.m.
[3:01:06] Every night, and I guess it will be until 2.30, but some of it will be indoors,
[3:01:10] but it's going to be quite an event and you already bought ticket? It's expensive.
[3:01:20] It's going to be interesting and it's part of the economic study that's going to be
[3:01:24] done. It'll be included in that. That's part of the settlement agreement with the Fairgrounds
[3:01:30] over the master plan that happened many, many years ago. They were going to do economic feasibility
[3:01:35] or economic impact study on Del Marsilana Beach and they presented some of the information on that
[3:01:41] and some of the different times of the year that they're going to look at that one will
[3:01:45] include this event, others will include obviously the fair and the racetrack and some of the other
[3:01:49] more highly attended shows or events there so you need an impact on our community at what it costs
[3:01:56] or the benefits of the fair and that will give us maybe some standing to have an conversation
[3:02:01] with the Fair Board about some, I don't know, I want to say compensation, but some offsets.
[3:02:09] Some of the issues we have with public safety, traffic, noise, lights, things that are
[3:02:13] heard in our people living nearby there and people living in the community complaining about
[3:02:16] to us on a semi-regular basis.
[3:02:19] It was a good meeting, it was an interesting meeting about the event and members of the public
[3:02:25] are interested, go to the website, but we have invited them to come and give a presentation
[3:02:29] to the city and hopefully they'll be able to come and give us maybe like a 10-minute run
[3:02:34] down on what is going to be, but it's going to be quite an undertaking on their part.
[3:02:39] Yeah, I'll just add a couple of things to that. It's expecting 40,000 people a day for three days,
[3:02:44] which is, it was pointed out as the same number of people who attend opening day,
[3:02:48] but they'll be coming not just all at one time like they do for opening day the races to get there
[3:02:52] before post time. They'll be arriving and departing at different times. You'll be parking,
[3:02:57] reserve parking at different lots throughout the city and we're
[3:03:01] throughout the the sub region here and they do have camping but the
[3:03:06] camping is called glamping and glamour camping and you could rent safari
[3:03:11] tents or rock star RVs yeah that's for darn sure for between 18,000 and 25,000
[3:03:18] dollars for the three days so yeah I don't think it's going to be Coachella at the
[3:03:24] Del Mar fairgrounds I think it's going to be a different demographic that
[3:03:28] looking at, on music, we'll shut down or go indoors by 10pm. In fact, the only one stage with music,
[3:03:35] it's actually going to be a disco. It sounds like to me after 10pm and then a comedian in
[3:03:39] another location. There's going to be gourmet food and this whole area called indulgences where
[3:03:47] men can get a shave and women can get their hair blown dry and I'm massage and I'm so ferocious
[3:03:52] I don't know what it's going to be art and so you can hear music and do all of this stuff.
[3:03:58] It's Kabu, K-A-A-B-O-O, and they said the name came about after a bunch of booze.
[3:04:05] I have to tell Markelson we have no idea what it comes,
[3:04:07] stands for whatever, but it sounds like a slowed board.
[3:04:11] So anyway, we're going to be meeting with our staff and Delmar staff.
[3:04:14] I'm going to come here and present. It's quite interesting.
[3:04:17] I think people will attend it. It's going to be probably very well-attended.
[3:04:20] It's just making sure that we get the word out about what's going on.
[3:04:23] Yeah, definitely something that is new to it.
[3:04:27] Yeah, making the city manager choke.
[3:04:30] Yeah.
[3:04:31] And then last, in one other meeting, we did have a public arts meeting.
[3:04:35] It was very brief, and we talked about the public arts commission is exploring the possibility
[3:04:39] of murals throughout town, including the side of city hall.
[3:04:45] So let them continue to explore that.
[3:04:48] and I just wanted to bring it to the council's attention
[3:04:50] and they presented some mock-ups of what it could be
[3:04:53] and we get some direction and we'll see what it goes.
[3:04:56] Okay, I see nothing else, I'll show you in the meeting.
[3:04:59] Goodnight.