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Okay, 6 o'clock, I'm going to call this meeting to order

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Let's start with the Pledge of Allegiance.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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Can I get a roll call, please?

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Trustee Sharp, here

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Trustee Cheek. Here. Trustee Coleman. Here.

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Trustee Cohen Thompson, Trustee Dean? Here. Trustee Dunn? Here. Trustee LaVelle. Here

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Approval and adoption of the agenda. Can I get a motion? Okay, I'm going to take a motion from Trustee Cohen Thompson and a second from Trustee Cheek. Can I get a roll call vote?

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Trustee Cohen-Thompson.

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She said yes, Trustee Dean. Trustee Dean.

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Yes. Trustee Dunn? Yes.

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Trustee LaVelle? Yes. Trustee Coleman? Yes. Trustee Cheek? Yes. Trustee Sherp? Yes

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Comments from the community. Did we have any?

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Okay, so moving on to the board study session. We'll go to our wonderful council.

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Good evening, everyone. So first of all, for those of you who weren't in the room when I mentioned, I'm actually in Maine right now.

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I made a scheduling error, so thank you so much for accommodating me.

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I'm really excited to be here tonight. Um, I can see you all. Can you all hear and see me okay?

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Okay, so…

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This will be the first time that I've had the opportunity.

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To do a board workshop with you all, so we've got 3.

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topics for tonight. Um, the thing that I love about board workshops is they are a little different than the normal board meetings.

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So while I have slides and information that I obviously want to share with you all,

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Please stop me at any point in time if you have questions, or if you want to engage in a discussion.

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We have obviously three very, very different topics to go through, so there'll be opportunity. I built in some time for questions at the end of each topic.

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But please don't hesitate to put your hand up, yell, or whatever, if you want me to talk through something further on the slides.

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Without any further ado, we're going to be talking about 3 different topics.

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First is going to be the Charter Petition renewal process.

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And the goal of the charter petition renewal process presentation is really just to get.

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Everyone on the same page and brought up to speed.

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On what does the renewal petition process look like from start to finish, and what's SCO staff gonna be doing?

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And then what will the board's ultimate obligation and, you know, requirements be?

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When it comes to the elite petition. So, to be clear, today's.

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discussion is going to be about the law, the renewal petition process.

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all of that, so that you are equipped with that information. We're not talking about the elite.

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petitions specifically, I might… I might allude to some.

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some things more generally, but I just want to make that clear that this is not a topic to engage in a discussion regarding Elite's petition.

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We'll have separate set dates for those, which I'll go through when we talk about the timeline.

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And then we're gonna move on to the Inter-District Transfer Appeal Process. As you all know, we.

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We, I'm saying we too, because we were all part of it, um, went through, I think, was the final number 28?

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I think 28 appeals. And so really the goal is to.

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do sort of a debrief, kind of what did we learn, what were the successes, what were the challenges, um, and really have an opportunity to.

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proactively discuss that in anticipation of the next year, so that any changes.

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Or adjustments that need to be made, there's plenty of opportunity for everyone to discuss that now and have follow-up conversations.

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And then we will end with, um, a topic related to.

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A potential option for a trustee question process for trustees to provide questions in advance of board meetings.

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And Superintendent Parr will help me with that discussion, so.

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Before we dive in, anything President Sharp or Superintendent Parr that you wanted to add?

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Hearing none.

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Then we will dive right in. So you all have the slides in front of you, is that correct?

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Yes, yes

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Okay, so I'm going to just start with the background.

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I know you've all heard me talk about AB 1505 a lot, and I know some folks on

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in the room are very familiar with the changes.

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Um, so the good news is, this is the first time the board's going through this process, so you're not having to.

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relearn it, you're just learning the first process, since you haven't

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been through it pre-AB1505. So I think that does help.

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The most important thing, and we're gonna dive into this a little bit deeper,

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But post-AB 1505, there was a significant change where now renewals are.

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I don't want to say solely dependent, but mostly dependent on the California dashboard data.

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And depending on how a school performs on that for the last, the two years immediately preceding renewal.

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that will define the renewal criteria applicable to that charter school. So we're gonna dive into that.

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a little bit further, but just wanted to note that that's the significant change. For those of you who like to read the statutes,

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The most important two statutes are going to be Education Code Section 47607.

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An Education Code 47607.2.

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I will talk about some of the statutory language now, but I know, um, some folks might want to go read that.

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later, or have that maybe ready with you at some of the board meetings, so that you can kind of look at the statute.

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It is not the most user-friendly.

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I'll be honest, and so we can talk through what some of the criteria.

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Require. Okay.

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Timelines. First and foremost, let's start with…

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the timelines. So, the main statute, 47607.

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says that charter renewals and material revisions are governed by the standards and criteria described in Section 47605.

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And so 47605 is the statute that is applicable to new petitions.

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And so basically what this is saying is that the standards and criteria.

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that apply to new petitions also apply to renewal petitions,

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And then there's additional criteria.

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Um, one thing I just want to note here is that I don't believe that there was any ambiguity in the law, but in the last.

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6 months to a year, there's been.

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quite a few charter school litigation matters up and down the state, challenging the timelines.

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For renewal petitions, there is a.

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California Code of Regulations Regulation.

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act within 60 days on a renewal petition.

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that the…

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The renewal petition is essentially deemed approved as a matter of law.

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You'll see I'm going to talk about the timelines applicable to renewal petitions next.

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Which have a 60-day timeline for the initial public hearing and 90 days for action, and so you obviously can't act within 60 days if you have a full 90 days.

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So the trailer bill, the recent trailer bill.

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SB 126 specifically.

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Clarified this and said that this language here that says standards and criteria.

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Also includes the timeline set forth in 47605. So now we have absolutely no ambiguity in the law.

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that the same timelines that apply to a new petition.

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So that's important. And then the second part is, in addition to all the renewal criteria we're going to talk about in a moment.

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The only thing that really should significantly change in a renewal petition

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is that they make any updates.

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To the petition to ensure that they are in a complying and has addressed any changes in the law.

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Since the renewal was first submitted.

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Um, and the reason why I say there should be one of the only main changes that is made is because, and we've gone through this before, is there's.

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A separate type of petition, which are material revisions.

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And you all have reviewed two different material revisions already for Elite.

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And so if a charter school is going to make significant changes to their renewal petition,

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For example, let's say they're going to increase grade levels, or they're going to add additional school sites.

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That would be a material revision, which may be submitted at the same time as the renewal petition,

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But that is a separate petition, so we want to make sure that.

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charter schools aren't significantly revising things as part of their renewal petition.

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Because there's not really a process set forth in the renewal criteria.

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to consider those changes. So, just want to throw that out there as well for you all.

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Questions so far?

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So, the timeline, what is the timeline? I just mentioned? There's 60 days, within 60 days of receipt of the petition.

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The author riser must hold an initial public hearing. So, hopefully you all know that the first public hearing for Elite is going to happen at the regular meeting next Wednesday.

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So that will scratch, you know, check that box off in terms of the requirements and the timeline.

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The two most, um…

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The two most important timelines next are going to be

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I'm going to skip ahead. Within 90 days of receipt of the petition, the board must hold a second public hearing and take action.

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Those two events happen at the same board meeting.

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So it'll be one agenda item for another public hearing.

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And then there'll be a separate agenda item for.

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the board's action, whatever that action might be. Consideration of approval.

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So that has to happen within 90 days.

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Depending on whatever date that is,

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Let's back up. 15 days before that.

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staff must publish their.

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findings of fact and or recommendations if they make recommendations.

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So that is new.

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Pre-AB 1505, any staff findings or recommendations were just posted in accordance with the Brown Act.

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Which you can imagine, probably didn't provide enough time, for example, maybe there was some components in there that needed to be addressed or that the charter school want to be able to respond to.

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that didn't allow enough time, so.

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The staff report in this case will be posted 15 days before the final action.

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Um, and as I mentioned at the last regular meeting, that is going to happen at the November regular board meeting, and because of Veterans Day.

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It's 1 week later than normal.

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And so SCO has already reached out to Elite.

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to request, it's just a couple day extension.

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In light of the holiday to allow the board to consider this at a regular meeting, as opposed to having to schedule a special meeting, so.

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Those dates are already on calendar.

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I think Trustee Dean, you asked this question at the last meeting.

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Um, the Charter Schools Act does allow for basically a 30-day extension of that 90 days.

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If both parties mutually agree, so.

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You could agree to a 120-day timeline if both parties agreed to that.

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Any questions on the timeline?

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I have a question

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Yes, Trustee Dean.

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The 15-day the report comes at the 15 days

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Prior to the second theory report

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factual findings

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Is there a deadline or a moment between the 15 day mark and the hearing where the applicant has an opportunity to respond in writing.

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And what is it

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Great question. So there's nothing that was embedded in the charter schools act for that. That obviously doesn't mean that a charter school can't.

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A lot of charter schools.

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shorter renewal petitions that I've dealt with.

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The the applicant or the charter school does in fact provide some written response ahead of the.

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The meeting, if that's something that the board wants, you know, I think it's helpful maybe to share that with.

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You know, at a public meeting, for example.

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with the charter school. What the act does say, however, which.

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Kind of answers your question, but kinda doesn't, which is why I say it wasn't really embedded in there, is it does say that the.

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charter school basically gets, quote, equivalent time and procedures.

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to respond. Now, what does that mean, right? Equivalent time and procedures.

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Um, how that has historically been interpreted is that when we've done this before for the material revisions and the new petitions that.

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This board has reviewed post-AB 1505 is.

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At the hearing, the second public hearing, if staff gives a 10-minute presentation, for example.

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Then the charter school, make sure that they get the equivalent time for the presentation portion.

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There's no real clarity on what does that mean from the staff report.

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And so if I were a charter school, I would take it upon myself to, if I feel like I needed to provide something in writing, that I would do that ahead of the.

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The board meeting so that, you know, the board can have adequate time to consider any new findings, or maybe there's something in there that staff didn't see.

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to allow some back and forth. So that does happen, it's just not technically embedded somewhere in the act.

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Can I follow up?

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The issue that I'm thinking about and issue is a strong word. The note that I have on this.

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As we've experienced and it happens all the time

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My thought is, it's a problem if we get that giant package of response a day or two before the actual event

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And now that we're sitting here, I'm thinking, we should have our own policy about get it to us on X date, right? If it's a Wednesday the Friday before

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But maybe there's a moment in this whole transaction where we can speak to them and say, hey

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Give it to us, and if you want to respond, please give it to us in sufficient time for the human beings that are here to actually absorb and be able to understand

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So I don't know how we might do that. But that's what's in my mind.

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Yeah, I think that makes a lot of sense, and I don't know if anyone else has anything else to add to that.

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I would say, I think obviously there's an opportunity at the initial public hearing for trustees to share anything.

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With elite that they might, you know, suggest or any input that they might have or food for thought for them to think about.

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But I would also say during the process, like when.

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Staff posts it, and staff is super communicative with, you know, Dr. Pinpin, you know, she's very, very communicative.

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With Elite is at least just giving that suggestion, hey, it probably would make it a lot more effective and efficient if you do have a response to provide it within a reasonable time so that the trustees have sufficient time to review, so.

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There's nothing I think that would prevent…

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Staff from doing that just organically, so I think that's definitely something we can write down and jot as a thing to take care of.

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It really would go for anybody submitting stuff because I don't know about other people on Wednesday after 12, it's dicey whether I'm going to look at my email again depending on what's going on. So maybe there's a way to just…

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kindly suggests that if they really want it red, they'd want to get it to us by Tuesday night to give a fighting chance. Whatever the time is.

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My thing is that in the crafting of AB 1505, the issue

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And thereafter, the issue from the charter folks was, hey man, you can't give us this detailed thing without enough

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time for us to have a fighting chance to respond. And that's fine. So it's 15 days ahead. That's not… there's no 15 days ahead any place else. So it's

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To me, I would say in my day job, I try to always get them the response like the Friday before, if it's a Wednesday meeting or Saturday morning, because we all know we're looking at our packets over the week

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So anyway, that's

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Tuesday… no, not Tuesday so those are just my thoughts.

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So I appreciate you right. There's no way and people don't really think about it

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Anyone else? Okay.

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Okay, so moving on now to the actual renewal criteria.

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So, there are…

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Schools are categorized into one of three categories, either high.

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middle or low performing. And this is based purely on.

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the California dashboard data.

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and the performance, and the two years immediately preceding renewal.

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We can spend a lot of time on all of these. We're gonna focus on the low-performing. I'm gonna give you the criteria, since this is, you know, a general.

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session on the high and middle performing, but because Elite is a low-performing charter school.

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Based on the California dashboard data, and as reflected in their renewal petition, they don't contest that.

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We'll spend a little bit more time on that.

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Couple of things I want to note is that the CDE does post this annually.

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Um, and they designate all charter schools.

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Based on the dashboard data, whether or not the renewal petition is up. So if you ever are curious, you can always go on the CDE's website.

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And they have all of this.

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Um, and they do their own analysis, you know, the act doesn't specifically contemplate that the CDE does this.

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And that they are, you know,

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supposed to do it, but it is helpful that they do that. I do always suggest, if there's any question between the charter school and the authorizer, of whether or not.

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the CDE appropriately or accurately categorized for staff to do the analysis themself. Um, the good news here is there's not a dispute, so that's not necessarily something that needs to happen.

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Um, but it still is helpful to do for sure.

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So determining which category.

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really starts on whether they're… if they're high or low, if they're not high or low, then by default they are middle. So that's really where the analysis happens.

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And so now I'm on slide, uh…

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11, if you're all following along.

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So, there's ICOM 2 criterionite. This is also how the CDE defines the two of them.

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is criterion 1 to either be.

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high performing is based on all the colors received.

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for all state indicators on the dashboard. So this is looking at just school-wide data only.

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So, this is all of the dashboard state indicators.

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is going to be a comparison of the school-wide performance and student group data.

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This is based only on the academic indicators.

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And then we're just looking at those pupil subgroups with 30 more students.

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And there's a whole analysis that we're going to spend some time on in a moment. It does get confusing.

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Um, for folks in the room who have done this analysis, and I know there's a couple.

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Um, it is not the most.

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straightforward analysis, and the second one can be a little bit more complicated, so we'll walk through that in a moment.

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But like I mentioned, if a school is not high or low based on criteria on one or two, then they are by default middle performing.

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Moving first to the criteria number one.

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A school is high performing if they have received blue or green.

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across all state indicators for the two years immediately preceding renewal.

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It's basically the opposite for low performing.

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If they've received red or orange across all state indicators for the past 2 years, then they are low performing.

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Okay, let's say a charter school didn't meet either one of these criterion.

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Then we go to number 2.

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For high-performing, we're looking again at all academic indicators with a color.

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And the charter school has received performance levels school-wide that are the same or higher than the state average.

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So we're looking at the school-wide performance.

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And then we're going to look at the majority of subgroups that are performing statewide,

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below the state average, so I'm…

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Not picking any for any particular reason other than for an example, but let's say.

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your foster youth and student with disabilities.

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statewide are performing

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under the statewide average in math, then you're going to take those subgroups, and you're going to see how the charter school is doing compared to those subgroups.

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So we're really trying to see

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Of those subgroups that are performing below the state level, how is your subgroups

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performing against those other subgroups statewide.

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And then it's basically the exact opposite for the low-performing.

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Questions on that? It is not self-explanatory. I know some folks in the room, I don't know if there's any

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SCO folks who have done the analysis.

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Um, if you want to share your.

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I think there's somebody in here.

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Who's done the analysis.

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Clarify, Courtney, when you say the two years immediately preceding the petition, in this case, is that going to mean 2025 and 2026?

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So, it is going to be… yes, no, it's going to be 2024 and 2025, because we don't have the 2026 data yet.

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posted.

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So what I will say is that that data is going to be… I think it's going to be posted, like, mid-October.

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Is that correct for folks in the room? Yeah, mid-October.

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Um, I know, I think LEAs have already received that data, but that's not going to be posted until.

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mid-October, which at that point, the staff report will probably be close to and or.

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Posted and so normally what you do is it's you take the data based on the time of submission.

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If there's adequate time to review the new stuff, then maybe, but because here you'll be kind of.

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Right, butting up against the timeline, it will be the 24-25 data, unless any folks in the room have other thoughts.

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That October, I think it's like October 15th or 14th, is that when the dad is going to be posted this year?

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Something like that.

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The determination to those 2 years

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Sorry, can you say that one more time?

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Termination to use 24 and 45.

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That's been agreed upon

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with the charter in our case.

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Do the parties agree to that?

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It is the data that is included in their renewal petition.

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That's not the same. That's not great, but then I'm like, no, she didn't answer my question. Didn't he?

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Okay. Well, so let me, to answer your question, no, it hasn't been agreed upon because.

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There's no agreement at this stage to be made, because the petition is currently in receipt, right? And so you have the data before you.

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So if there's other thoughts that folks…

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want to discuss further, we can certainly do that.

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What then is the impact that the October report?

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We don't know. We don't we don't know what that data says now. I mean.

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I think LEAs know what the data says. I don't wanna.

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speculate.

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Commit to our proceedings.

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So they brought these two years. We're reviewing the two years. It feels like everybody's agreed to the two years. And then October comes out either far better, far worse, whatever. Is that something we consider

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I mean, it's something that could be discussed for sure.

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The act does not, this is another thing.

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The act doesn't take this into consideration.

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So while the charter school act has a lot of words, there's a lot of gaps, and this is one of the gaps.

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And so what I can tell you statewide what the practice is.

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Generally. Obviously, I can't speak for every single authorizer, but the authorizer I have worked with and my colleagues have worked with.

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have utilized the data available at the time of the submission.

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Now, should new data come out, and it changes things, I think that is a question.

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For discussion amongst, obviously, this group.

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we could utilize that 30-day extension period, right? That's built in there, so if there's.

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Everyone feels like, hey, we want to push this and review this new data. I think that's something that can certainly happen.

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Um, but I think we would need direction from the board.

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If and when that is something you wanted to do.

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So we're kind of in a holding pattern until October, frankly.

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But I think it would be fair to maybe raise that, for example, to Elite as well.

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at a public hearing or something like that as well.

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Other thoughts?

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Okay.

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So I'm going to speed through, if okay with everyone, just to be, um, careful with time of the high-performing.

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There's a question.

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Oh, yeah.

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President Sharp?

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So how would that be raised with elite?

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at when they come in after we start reviewing the petition or ask them if they want a 30-day extension to review

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25 and 26 instead of 24 and 25 before we're reviewing the petition.

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It can happen in a number of ways. One of the ways it can happen is at the public hearing next week.

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If a trustee wants to pose that question, because there'll be an opportunity. Elite will be presenting, at least that's my understanding. I don't know if anyone from… if Superintendent Parr or others… I see some nodding ahead, Dr. Shin, yeah.

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So, Elite will be there presenting next week.

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And then there will be an opportunity for trustees to ask questions and or make comments, and so I think that would be a potential opportunity to.

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raise it for the first time, but obviously staff can do that as well. There'll be another board meeting in the middle.

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Um, and so if the board has direction that they want to give staff to communicate something to Elite, that can happen there.

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Elite, obviously, can always make the request for an extension themselves as well, so let's say they get the data, and they realize, shoot, this changes things for us one way or the other.

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They can always make the request as well.

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Other questions? Okay, you're good? Okay.

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Okay, anything else? Any other questions?

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Okay, so high performing.

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This is… it doesn't say this in the law, but it's essentially like a de facto renewal.

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The statue says that a charter school that satisfies the high-performing criteria.

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shall be renewed. Um, and it's only unless specific circumstances are met, which I'm going to go over in a moment, which are applicable to all charter schools, regardless of their performance.

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So it is a shall be renewed.

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They only need to update their petition to include any, you know, changes in the law.

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And then they can be renewed for a 5-7 year term.

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The law does not say, well, how do you decide 5, 6, or 7?

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That is fully up to the discretion of the board. Um, some boards might decide to, you know.

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Put criteria or factors in their policy, or they might just make decisions, but there's nothing in the law that says whether it's 5, 6, or 7 that, again, is fully up to the board.

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And that is new.

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Pre-AB 1505, if a charter petition was renewed, it was for 5 years. So now we're going to have charters that are all on different.

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terms, you'll see we're going to go to the the.

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low-performing, which is for a two-year term, so.

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This is another new change post AB 1505.

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The idea is that if you're high performing, then you need, you don't need to come up.

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for authorization as frequently because you are high performing. Obviously, there's other considerations that I'm going to go to in a moment.

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Just cause you're high performing doesn't necessarily mean that you're fiscally sound or.

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That you're, you know, operating your governance structure appropriately. So there's other areas or ways or mechanisms.

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to non-renew a high-performing charter school.

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So, I'm gonna spend a little bit of time here.

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And for those folks, again, who do like to review.

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the statutes I'm going to talk about the low performing.

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And I am actually going to read part of the statute.

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Um, so this is 47607.2 specifically.

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and subdivision A.

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A 1 through.

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A.

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5 is gonna be the applicable section, so…

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I don't normally advise folks to read the statute, but I would do it in this case, because there's a lot there, and um.

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you know, when we're dealing with a low-performing charter school.

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The statute says the chartering authority shall not renew.

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A charter if either of the conditions are met, and that's essentially whether they qualify under Criterion 1 or Criterion 2.

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And so the way the law is written is if you satisfy either one of those, it's not an and.

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If you satisfy either one of those, then you qualify as low performing.

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So the default is that these are… that low-performing charter schools are not renewed. It's a shall not renew and I know.

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Shout is mandatory.

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It's not permissive, it's mandatory.

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The statute then goes on to say…

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that.

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The authorizer may renew a low-performing charter school.

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Only upon making both of the following written factual findings.

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Specific to the particular petition setting forth specific facts to support the findings.

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So that means, one, the board must make written factual findings, which is usually adopted.

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In your board resolution.

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So that's number… that's the most important thing.

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satisfy all 3 of these.

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Number one is that the charter school is taking meaningful steps.

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To address the underlying cause or causes.

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of low performance.

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And those steps are either reflected,

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or will be reflected.

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And a written plan adopted by the governing body of the charter school. So what does all that mean?

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Criteria number one is that the charter school must have and or will be adopting a written plan, and it's the board of the charter school, not the governing board of the authorizer.

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Must adopt a written plan.

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that addresses the underlying cause or causes of low performance.

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So that's number one.

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Number 2 is that there is clear and convincing evidence showing either of the following.

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The first is that the school achieved measurable increases in academic achievement.

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And then number 2 is strong post-secondary.

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outcomes.

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If the board makes written factual findings supporting both of those, the written adopted plan.

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And that there's clear and convincing evidence of either one of those.

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Then the authorizer may, it's a may, it's not a shall,

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may renew,

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for two years only. So if…

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A board finds that all of the criteria under here have been satisfied, and they make written factual findings.

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supporting that decision.

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Senate board can renew a low-performing charter school.

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Only for two years.

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So again, the standard is shall not renew unless you make written factual findings.

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If you make the written factual findings, then the term is only 2 years.

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Questions on that? Comments on that?

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If low or high performing

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isn't satisfied, then you fall in the middle performing bucket.

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And you shall consider the school-wide performance of all subgroups.

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on the state indicators,

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and the local indicators.

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And then you can only deny.

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A middle-performing charter school, if you make 3 findings.

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Number one is that the charter school has failed to make

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or meet sufficient progress toward the standards that benefit all students.

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Number two, closure of the charter schools in the best interests of students, and this is an and.

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And if applicable, the decision provided greater weight to measurements of academic performance. This is a very high bar.

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We don't see middle performing charter schools being.

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close very often, because again, as you can see, that number 2 one is, you need to find that the.

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closure of the charter schools in the best interests of the students.

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Now, the law does not say what that means.

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Um, so that's going to be up to the discretion of the board.

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Any questions so far?

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Okay, so…

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Whether you're high, middle, or low-performing charter school,

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There's one other avenue to non-renew.

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a charter school. And it's a may deny.

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If the charter school is demonstrably unlikely to successfully implement the program.

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Due to substantial fiscal or governance factors, and so this is where we have, you know, for example, maybe there's a charter school that's fiscally unsound.

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engaging in fraud, you know, there's concerns of the fiscal side of the house.

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That's one way, and or if there's issues with governance.

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00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:40,000
Failure to comply with the Brown Act, various components. So that's one way. Another way is if this charter school is not serving all pupils who wish to attend.

434
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:47,000
And so this… what this really means is essentially if they're engaging in discriminatory enrollment practices and or disenrolling students.

435
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,000
impermissibly under the Education Code.

436
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:54,000
And so authorizers can actually request data from the CDE.

437
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:58,000
of enrollment patterns of charter schools to consider this.

438
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,000
Now, the thing with this…

439
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,000
factor, or…

440
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,000
prong of the test is that

441
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:11,000
there's a sort of a remedial period, and so if an authorizer anticipates non-renewing a charter school based on these.

442
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,000
You do need to provide.

443
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,000
At least 30 days notice.

444
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,000
of the alleged opportunity.

445
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:23,000
And an opportunity for the charter school to cure the violation, including a.

446
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,000
corrective plan, taking action on a corrective plan.

447
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:33,000
So that does require some work ahead of time, and I always advise authorizers if you anticipate that one of these are an issue.

448
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:38,000
being ahead of it and making sure that you take these actions before the renewal petition even comes in sometimes.

449
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:44,000
If, if you know clearly of some of these concerns so that you have adequate time to.

450
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,000
provide for this 30-day remedial period.

451
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,000
This obviously also

452
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:53,000
could play into the 30-day extension that's permitted under the law?

453
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:58,000
Right, so if for some reason this… there's new facts or circumstances that come to light.

454
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:07,000
You could always request a 30-day extension to allow for the authorizer to engage in this with the charter school.

455
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,000
Okay.

456
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,000
So…

457
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:16,000
The next slide talks about the notification requirement.

458
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:19,000
there's a lot of information here, no need to review all this.

459
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,000
All this basically means is that if a charter.

460
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:27,000
Authorizer does in fact renew the charter school. There's certain.

461
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:31,000
Notification requirements that must be provided to the CDE.

462
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:37,000
The website is very clear, it has a form, all this, it's more of an administrative thing that SCO, the SCO team would be doing.

463
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:43,000
So, just 2 more slides left, and then I want to make sure we have sufficient time for questions on this.

464
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,000
Appeals.

465
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:49,000
So if a authorizer does not grant a renewal petition,

466
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,000
at the school district level,

467
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,000
They can appeal within 30 days to the…

468
00:37:55,000 --> 00:38:01,000
To the county board. If it's a county board authorized, already county board authorized charter school.

469
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:06,000
And the county board does not grant the renewal petition, the charter school can submit

470
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,000
the appeal to the State Board of Education.

471
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,000
within 30 days.

472
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,000
And I know you've all been through the

473
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:22,000
appeal process few years ago with a new petition that came through, so you're probably somewhat familiar with this. It's the same process for a new renewal petitions.

474
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,000
Is that the State Board of Education.

475
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:30,000
Only reviews for an abuse of discretion, they do not do a de novo review.

476
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:37,000
And they must find that there was an abuse of discretion by both the school district and the County Board of Education.

477
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:41,000
To reverse a denial, so they would need to find that both.

478
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,000
Agencies, basically.

479
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:47,000
abuse their discretion, which is a very, very, very high bar.

480
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,000
And if they do find that.

481
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:53,000
then the CDE, in consultation with the charter school.

482
00:38:53,000 --> 00:39:03,000
will designate either the county board or school district if it started at the school district, or if it started at the county board, then the county board would become the authorizer.

483
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:13,000
If the charter petition is granted, there's a few considerations. I mentioned the notification to the CDE.

484
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:20,000
Another big thing is reviewing the operational MOUs and any sort of oversight protocols. I think.

485
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,000
You know, once you're going through the renewal process.

486
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:27,000
That's a good time to consider or re-review any oversight protocols.

487
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,000
The thing with the operational MOU is.

488
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:33,000
Authorizers do this a variety of ways.

489
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,000
Sometimes it's in tandem.

490
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,000
And so you're reviewing both of them at the same time.

491
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:43,000
Sometimes it's after the fact, because you don't know if you're gonna approve, right? The petition.

492
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,000
And so if you're negotiating an MOU,

493
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:50,000
And a board ultimately doesn't grant the renewal petition, then, you know.

494
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,000
It's a moot point at that point in time.

495
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:59,000
Um, so this can happen a variety of ways. I'm sure that folks here have some thoughts on.

496
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:05,000
Theoretically, a process in this case, which I think I would like to kind of allow an opportunity to talk through.

497
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:10,000
And then one other thing, we're not going to go dive deep into it. I do think this might be a good idea. Some.

498
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:13,000
other point down the road.

499
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:17,000
If, if the renewal petition in this case is granted.

500
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,000
To go over the significant oversight changes.

501
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:24,800
That were passed in the recent trailer bill.

502
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:30,000
Related to oversight. There's very, very significant changes that have been changed.

503
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:37,000
Via the trailer bill that take most of them, some of them took effect immediately, but most of them take effect July 1st of 2020.

504
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:43,000
7. So I think that if and when this board does become, you know, an authorizer.

505
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:53,000
continuing to become an authorizer, that it might be helpful to go over what those changes are. I would also suggest that those changes be reflected in any revised operational MOU, if that does end up becoming applicable.

506
00:40:56,000 --> 00:41:03,000
Any thoughts or questions or discussion on the operational MOU side of things? Obviously not specifically.

507
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:09,600
The details of the agreement, but conceptually, the process or timelines.

508
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:19,000
So just off the top of my head. I feel like either

509
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:26,000
The granting of the renewal petition should be conditioned on certain things

510
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,000
being accomplished through the MOU

511
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:33,000
You know, from our various learnings over the past several years.

512
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:37,000
Or they should come at the same time

513
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,000
They're too closely related.

514
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:50,000
Not be sort of either looking at them in total. Well, to not be looking at them in total

515
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,000
So my thought is

516
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:56,000
As we've gone through, as we are going through

517
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,000
We look to

518
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:07,000
And you can tell me, Courtney, if this is legal. We look to put some conditions in the

519
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,400
renewal that would be

520
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:17,400
Brought to life, if you will, in the MOU.

521
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,600
So can I respond to that?

522
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:30,000
Okay, um, so what I have seen, and tell me if this is not what you're…

523
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:35,000
contemplating is I have seen, basically, in, like, a resolution.

524
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:41,000
approving whether it's a new or renewal petition, saying this is sort of a conditional approval.

525
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:48,000
That X, Y, and Z must be satisfied. Some of them might have, you know, end dates within 30 days, 60 days, whatever it is.

526
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:55,000
and or it's conditioned on agreeing to these terms in an operational MOU. So how I have seen that done before is part of a resolution.

527
00:42:55,000 --> 00:43:01,000
For example, if you're approving it conditionally on these things that would later be contemplated in MOU.

528
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:07,000
and or, you know, revise in an MOU, but that the resolution itself includes those, so they're memorialized.

529
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,400
That's one option.

530
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:12,000
Yes.

531
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:22,000
Something like that. Look to staff to see how comfortable they would be with trying to accomplish these these 2 things in tandem, even though they very definitely are related.

532
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:28,000
versus one after the other.

533
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:33,000
It's just a question. How do you all feel about that?

534
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:43,000
People who are working on actually it makes sense that the two process would work together. It's just that I

535
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:55,000
If in case the renewal petition is not approved

536
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,000
Then

537
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:01,000
the revised MOU may be a moot point for them.

538
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:05,000
So, but whatever the board wants, we will comply.

539
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:09,000
And as a practical matter, does that make sense or not

540
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:12,000
This is the time, this is like

541
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:19,000
Bargaining with a bargaining unit. This is the time that the contract is open and it comes up for renewal.

542
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:29,000
And so if we wanted to make changes to the MOU because of stuff we've seen for the past seven years, this is the organic time to do that.

543
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,000
And we do

544
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:33,000
Right.

545
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,000
We need some stuff

546
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:45,000
From an administrative oversight standpoint, some of our biggest challenges in being able to answer the board's questions have been based on the ambiguity of the MOU. And

547
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:58,000
That has been challenging for us, and I know it's caused much frustration. So I would be willing to work with staff to put in the additional hours to bring those in tandem. I think it would be greatly beneficial

548
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,000
Yeah, actually

549
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:13,000
There are a lot of challenges that we've encountered because of, again, the gaps in the MOU. So we feel sometimes it doesn't have any teeth, so we couldn't really

550
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:25,000
Ask for them to comply because it's not in the MOU. And if you feel that this is the right time, which

551
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:35,000
Seems to be the right time. These also the time for us to be able to ask them to put all the

552
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:43,200
things that are in the AB 126 that relates to charter school accountability.

553
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:57,000
Yeah, because, I mean, when we first drafted the MOU, we didn't know what we didn't know. And so after we've been through this process for the past half decade or so, you know, now we know what we're doing kind of

554
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:06,000
You can put more meaningful things in the information

555
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:10,000
So at that time, then we can

556
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:19,000
include the conditions that were not before that we know now we should implement, you know, employ

557
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:29,000
So to what Michelle is saying is hopefully we would appreciate that staff would lean in make sure we get that before Tuesday. Yeah, and there's been some changes with AB 126 that are pretty significant. Not so much on the county offices side of how they have to administer it, but certainly on the audit side. And I would feel better

558
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:52,000
going into this potential renewal, making sure that both parties are going in with their eyes wide open as to what the expectations of the board

559
00:46:53,000 --> 00:47:01,000
It's significant enough that if it's clearly spelled out. Then I think

560
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:11,000
We're agreeing to it together. We know what the expectations are. And then we're going to go with our best feet forward. And I think Courtney can help us with the languages. This isn't

561
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,000
a pre-approval

562
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:21,000
This is what we're going to expect if a renewal is granted.

563
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:31,000
What about the possibility, because it is next week that we're having the first hearing. What about the possibility of working on the MOU side of it and having that

564
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:36,000
presented in the October meeting

565
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:46,000
So that we absorb that we have questions, so on and so forth. And then perhaps ultimately this just suggestion. Ultimately, they come

566
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,000
together in November

567
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:57,400
Because I don't expect everybody to redraft an MOU by Tuesday right right

568
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,000
I don't want you to do that

569
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:03,000
But what do you think about that?

570
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:13,000
This is a workshop, so we're come up with ideas. So my question would be for legal on what that would look like. Certainly, we had an MOU that was drafted

571
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:17,000
by other than, you know, Lozano Smith

572
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:27,000
We clearly will be going with Elizano Smith to come up with the template. I'm sure they've done it for other renewal processes. It's probably already work being done on many MOUs right now in light of the changes with AB 126, so she can probably start us out

573
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:38,000
I just don't know about the open dialogue of what that MOU would be in a public board meeting. So I'm going to defer to Courtney on what her advice

574
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:48,000
Yeah. Yeah. So, and I don't know if everyone recalls though, back, and it seems like this was, it was actually quite a while ago, when we reviewed the board bylaw on charter schools, the board actually did approve a template MOU at that point in time.

575
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:58,000
To be applicable to any new charter schools.

576
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:02,000
And so that would be a starting point. I will say, candidly, though, that obviously.

577
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:09,000
Predates all of the AB 126 changes, so I would want to review that significantly.

578
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:16,000
But this is a negotiation, as Trustee Cuoman said, yes, but it is a public document. This is different than, like, labor negotiations.

579
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:20,000
or negotiations and settlement and litigation. Like, this can happen openly.

580
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:24,000
And so it would be totally appropriately to have it at an open.

581
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:29,000
session, that would be the only way, actually, for this board to discuss it, would be during an open session.

582
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:36,000
And so it would be appropriate to agendize that just for discussion of, like, we could provide a draft template.

583
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:46,000
And to get feedback. Obviously, there's another party involved, elite, and so there would need to be sufficient time to make sure that they can also review it, and that they have their legal counsel, so that it would need to be built into it.

584
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:55,000
But it certainly can be discussed at an open session.

585
00:49:55,000 --> 00:50:00,000
I think Dana's idea is good once they present on

586
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:01,000
Wednesday

587
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:02,000
Yeah.

588
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:07,000
I also want to open the MOU and we have, you know

589
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:08,000
things we want to negotiate in the MOU, and

590
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,000
Yeah.

591
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:12,000
brought up on October's meeting.

592
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,000
Yeah, I think that's a good plan. It looks like there's a consensus.

593
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:22,000
Generally, we're not taking action or anything, but it sounds like consensus to have them, oh you brought in October, and then I can work, obviously, with.

594
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:30,000
SCO, the SCO team, on getting that together and making sure I account for any of their.

595
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,000
Okay, great.

596
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:34,000
The other reason

597
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:38,800
That can be a part of that. Yeah

598
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:42,000
Sorry, was that a question?

599
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:46,000
No, she was just saying

600
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:47,000
to be part of the response.

601
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:54,000
Oh, perfect. Okay. So that's the last slide. Now here's do you have any questions or any comments?

602
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:57,000
Uh, how would you all like to go? You can just.

603
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:58,000
Here's a question

604
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:02,200
You all tell me he goes first.

605
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:11,000
You said there was oversight changes in the trailer bill. What what are the changes?

606
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:12,000
That the trailer bill had.

607
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:20,000
So most of them are as to, as Michelle Henson mentioned, related to the audit side of things and how the charter school needs to complete their audits.

608
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:23,000
Um, so it's not a significant, oh, go ahead.

609
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:27,000
I see Michelle looking like she wants to jump in.

610
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:37,000
But there were also some attendance reporting changes right and oversight. Say, for example, the they should be

611
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:41,000
posting their agenda. So it's more the Brown Act

612
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,000
And also

613
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:50,600
What are the other employee salaries. Yeah, employees publicly available. Right.

614
00:51:53,000 --> 00:52:03,000
Can we get a list of what the changes are, like a clear list of what has changed? It's not difficult, those changes. Courtney Lozano Smith came out with a great podcast. Here's your plug. And

615
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:13,000
Also, they had a short legal brief on it. So I'm sure that she can work with the superintendent's office to get that to you all.

616
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:19,000
We can make sure we circulate that to you all for sure. Thank you, Michelle.

617
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:23,000
Thank you for listening to our podcast. It's always good to hear.

618
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,000
When folks listen to this.

619
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:28,000
If you don't know, we do have a podcast, so, you know.

620
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:33,000
If you don't get enough of me, you can hear some of my colleagues.

621
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:38,000
Okay, I know there were some other hands and other questions, so I want to make sure we… and or discussion that folks wanted to have.

622
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,000
Anyone else?

623
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:46,000
Okay, great. Well, then I'll just end by saying, and we're a little over time on this, but just…

624
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:54,000
Again, the public hearing will be next week for Elite, so I think that's a great opportunity to come with questions and or comments to share with Elite.

625
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:59,000
And then I'm hearing that we'll have an October meeting about the MOU.

626
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:04,000
And then action at a later date, unless there's an extension there, so.

627
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:10,000
With that, we're going to shift over to interdistrict transfer appeal process review.

628
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:17,000
So the idea here is we sort of have 3 questions that we came up with.

629
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:24,000
Um, and, you know, President Sharp, Superintendent Parr, please chime in. But the idea was hopefully to get you kind of.

630
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,000
I mean, maybe blocked it all out after.

631
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:30,000
The last one, but to get you thinking again about the process.

632
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:36,000
Um, and go through each of these questions, and really, at this point, I'm gonna sit back. I mean, I have some thoughts, so I do wanna share.

633
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:39,000
some of my thoughts, but this is really an opportunity for.

634
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:48,000
Obviously, the trustees to share their perspective, but you've got the SCO team here as well, and the goal and idea with having the SCO team here.

635
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:53,000
Is because they are so involved on the administrative side of things is to have a dialogue here and back and forth and.

636
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:58,000
I think it really would be a great opportunity for you all to discuss amongst each other.

637
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:07,000
thoughts, and so on and so forth. So before we dive into the questions, um, number one, President Sharpe or Superintendent Pard, did you have anything else you wanted to add?

638
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:10,000
Okay, I'm seeing Chaniel shaking hands.

639
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:18,000
Okay, so question number one, again, this is really at this point, you all just engage in your discussion and whatever order you would like to.

640
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:21,000
Um, what did we learn from this year's appeals?

641
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:25,000
And the idea is, let's talk about kind of what worked well.

642
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:32,000
And what did this year's experience teach us that we hadn't quite anticipated, or maybe something that was new that happened that.

643
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,400
Wasn't something that.

644
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:39,000
Maybe had happened before that you all want to discuss and maybe talk through, so.

645
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:43,200
With that, who would like to start?

646
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,000
I actually would like to start with

647
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:56,000
Making a statement about appreciating every person in this space that had anything to do with the IDA process

648
00:54:56,000 --> 00:55:03,000
Because we learned a lot. We learned that we have to have good, clear communication with our district.

649
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:12,000
We learned that we have to be really clear about our communication with those that are seeking an IDEA.

650
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:18,000
And we, in the end, after all of this, I feel like that last one that we had

651
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:28,000
It was a celebration that we made it through. We learned along the way some things that we're going to do differently. And we also, I just had a conversation with Superintendent Aurelio

652
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:40,000
Two days ago. When I did a tour of one of his campuses, we talked about the IDA process. And one of the things that he had mentioned is some of the things that they're doing internally. So I know that Dr. Shin, Dr. Pinpin, and Elena have done tremendous work with communicating with their staff

653
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:55,000
From Vallejo with the superintendent's office. And we have a lot of good things to share with you today.

654
00:55:55,000 --> 00:56:05,000
Thank you. Yeah. For me and also Elena, it's that close collaboration with BCUSD that made things

655
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,000
much smoother

656
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:20,000
In BCUSD's willingness to really work with us. And I would like to thank the board because instead of the process being

657
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:28,000
Condentious. It wasn't because our focus were on the students and the families.

658
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:31,600
So that's what I appreciated.

659
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:36,000
All right.

660
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:41,400
So I will echo the appreciation of everyone involved.

661
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:46,000
But I specifically want to appreciate my colleagues

662
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:50,800
You demonstrated how you disagree on something respectful

663
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:56,000
I think there's a lot of folks in Solano County

664
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,000
from our model

665
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:00,000
Human Courtney's prediction betting.

666
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,000
Ah!

667
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:09,600
I record these prediction, Betty. DraftKings are looking for you, Courtney.

668
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:20,000
So I have a list of things to looking ahead, but in terms of

669
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:27,000
Well, that worked the best I think we've ever done. And maybe it was partly, you know

670
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:37,000
The we're in the trenches in the circumstances, and we had to do well, but I think more to the point, we all respect each other, even as we

671
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:43,000
often disagree. So that was a really, really big deal and made the

672
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:49,000
Strain of it, if you will, a little more tolerable

673
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:59,000
And that interchanged allowed us to see different perspectives. We all come with our own particular perspective about issue

674
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:01,000
Or issues

675
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,000
But the way

676
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,000
We are judiciously

677
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:14,000
Talked among ourselves, we were able, I know I was able to see things from a different point of view.

678
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:18,000
And I was glad for that, so I did go.

679
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:20,000
Trustee B.

680
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:26,000
Anybody else?

681
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:35,000
I would love to hear staff. Elena was the one who was rapid fire in the front line. I would love to hear your thoughts on

682
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:45,000
I think it was a better year than last year. I do have a big, big, big thank you to Erica and Amanda. So when I'm preparing all the files and the packets, they're my second eyes, and

683
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:56,000
I am in and out of Erica's office because she has to schedule the hearings and

684
00:58:56,000 --> 00:59:06,000
We schedule the meetings and, you know, play around the calendar. So that was a very we worked together We grow together. So I think that's you have a very

685
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:12,200
So that makes it a lot better.

686
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:22,400
And I think she also had a relationship with

687
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:37,400
And actually, I just want to add to that

688
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:47,000
Because you could feel that there was trust between, at least from the VCUSD side, because once the packets are done

689
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:57,000
We give them back to them for just a second look, just in case, you know they missed something, and at the same time, when the parents send the appeals to us, sometimes they add more documents that the home district has not seen

690
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:13,000
But at least the home district is willing to take a second look and see. And then sometimes they would tell us, okay, we're going to release the students.

691
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:23,000
Because we don't want the board to go through 50, 60 hearings, but at least, you know, there was that back and forth negotiation with them, but good intentions

692
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:30,000
And VCUSD

693
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:36,000
I think trust that we are just there for the students and not

694
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:40,000
We just want everything to be given back to them.

695
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:50,000
And I would say for me, what worked well unified did an amazing job. It was a complete sea change even from the year before, it was even better

696
01:00:51,000 --> 01:01:01,000
It was nice to have people that could answer questions right sitting in front of us as opposed to I wasn't the one who made the call, or whoever, you know, that was helpful, and it did feel like they

697
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:09,000
really respected the process and it was more of a collaboration between everybody.

698
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:11,000
It was really nice to have them here. Yes

699
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:14,000
We have 21 requests and only 26.

700
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:28,000
And is that because they were sent back information incomplete? No, because they qualified for a hearing, but

701
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:37,200
One of the hearings was two students

702
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:41,600
So 2026 board hearings, but but 27 students

703
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:53,000
Anybody else for question one?

704
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:54,000
Okay, Courtney, you want to go on too?

705
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:56,000
Okay.

706
01:01:56,000 --> 01:02:00,000
Okay, so looking on to question number two.

707
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:06,000
Looking ahead, what opportunities do we see to strengthen the appeals process from start to end?

708
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:09,000
And this is both on the board level,

709
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:18,000
and at the skull level, so meaning as things are coming in behind the scenes that maybe you all don't even know what's going on.

710
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:22,000
Um, are there any kind of thoughts about things you do want to know?

711
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:28,000
and or does the SCO team have any thoughts on maybe some process changes?

712
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:31,000
So really kind of what, if anything, might.

713
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:33,000
You all consider doing differently.

714
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:37,200
Adding or exploring from a process perspective.

715
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:45,000
Go ahead and take this one off for me, I would like to see the form that the parents filled out reworked

716
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:55,000
There's some ambiguity as to whether are they in this grade, are they going into that grade. One of the parents themselves had written 2nd grade moving with an arrow going on to third grade. It was very clear what we were talking about. No one had to, you know, decide.

717
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:04,000
what was going on. So I thought there were some changes to the form, and then

718
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:14,000
without talking about stuff in closed session, there are certain themes that come up over and over and over again. I think it would be nice if we had a worksheet that we could share with whatever the district is. And did you call them? Why don't you just write that date down so we know everybody knows what happened, and we could eliminate a lot of the

719
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:29,000
Well, did you know there was this school? Did you know that some of the questions that come over and over and over again, and I think it would be helpful. The parent would understand

720
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:35,000
better what it's going through and then the district could more prove what they're doing or not doing

721
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:39,000
And it would be easier that way. That was my initial.

722
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:49,000
And also, we, at some point in time, we talked about having that checklist for the school district, and that would help them

723
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:53,200
Help them and help us as well.

724
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:57,400
Okay, so piggybacking on

725
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:02,000
Let's see

726
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:09,000
I think the number one thing from my mind is the experience of the parent.

727
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:14,000
really could be improved and we have improved over the years. Don't get me wrong

728
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:24,000
But they still walk in here. It's like a courtroom, right? And they really have no idea as they're sitting here, most of them have no idea that they're going to face

729
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:35,000
like a cross-examination, and it's not even just a courtroom, it's appellate body, you know. So I really think we should… we could do more

730
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:46,000
to communicate to them as they apply that this is what it's gonna you know I feel like when you… like, when you go into DMV and add little

731
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:57,000
video of what you're going to go through, or you… oh, jury duty. This is what the jury does. It could be something like that, that we just send them a link to, or it could just be a list that they… out of the 27 hearings, right? Only maybe 2.

732
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:10,800
Acted like they felt confident and I would say 50% of them were terrified.

733
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:23,000
And that's that's problematic. So I, to me, the the more most important thing is to make the experience for the parent better. The second part of that is

734
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:35,000
The translators are problems. I mean, I took four years of Spanish. I don't speak it out loud, but no, they're not

735
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:45,000
There's things being lost in translation and we don't really allow for sufficient time for that in the process. So whether a policy needs to be changed about how much time is allotted for someone

736
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:56,000
Who's having a translator, or what that the translator actually has to translate what was said

737
01:05:56,000 --> 01:06:06,000
But it wasn't great. I would say that's an area that we could really improve on. They need to be a certified translator too for recording proceedings. This is a court proceeding. This is an appellate board

738
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:16,000
So they need to be able to understand that type of language and stuff, and not just

739
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:18,000
be translating

740
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:20,000
The summary.

741
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:30,000
You know, they have to translate. I mean, I'm sorry to laugh, but yeah, the person translating in at least two circumstances was

742
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:32,000
kind of

743
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:38,000
calculating in their own mind. There's more than summary. It was like, I'm going to analyze and decide something

744
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:48,000
And then say it differently, right? And with good intention, they're wanting to move it along, they're wanting the person to be represented, but it didn't feel great.

745
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:59,000
And I would agree with Dana on both those points. Yeah, it didn't feel great. So, and then back to Amy's and my colleague's point here

746
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:10,000
Yeah, we should do better with understanding. I don't know that we can demand, demanding that the district has done these steps that we asked them about every single time

747
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:14,000
Every time

748
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:24,000
They're not a demand, more of a this is our suggestion. This is how you can make it… I would like to hear from you and for us. I mean, after 13 years, I would like to make present to them that they themselves

749
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:31,000
will benefit

750
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:34,000
By doing this, this, and this and this

751
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:43,000
They'll want to comprehend, because we're not being adversarial. We want it to be a win-win. And on top of that

752
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:53,000
I see more often than not that the parents, once a decision is made, they sit there and they don't really know what happened, they don't know what the next steps are, and somewhere there needs to be an explanation

753
01:07:57,000 --> 01:08:07,000
about an approval and a denial so that when that decision comes down, they'll understand what that really means.

754
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:18,000
Because then we've been good about running and telling them, you know, do this, do that and the other. The district has not been that

755
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:20,000
That

756
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:23,000
Oh, I don't know the word to use

757
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:33,000
But they've only really started coming because they've seen us run up to give direction and they should be that should be in the packet when they, the appeal comes to us

758
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:46,000
that these are the possible outcomes, and those outcomes mean this is this and that is that. So when they come, they know what you're doing a sheet or something, a half sheet

759
01:08:51,000 --> 01:09:01,000
Your appeal has been granted. These are the what's going to happen. This appeal has been denied. This is what's going to happen next. That they can have in front of them, too. Yeah.

760
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:05,800
But our staff probably would give them. Okay.

761
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:21,000
That's what staff do have any suggestions for how you think we could do it differently better actually and Courtney, correct me if I'm wrong, because when we were looking at the appeals process in the website

762
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:35,000
Didn't you mention that there's a need to review what's in there? You know the Ed code mentioned

763
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:37,000
in the appeals process

764
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:39,000
Am I correct

765
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:42,000
Sorry, wait, do you mind asking the question one more time? Review…

766
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:52,000
Oh, yeah. So, remember we had this discussion about reviewing the appeals process that's in the website.

767
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:58,000
And you mentioned that there are certain ed code sections that were not

768
01:09:58,000 --> 01:09:59,000
Oh…

769
01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:00,000
exactly updated

770
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:08,000
I see what you're saying, yes, yes, yes, sorry. Um, are you referring to… I think it board bylaw, actually, has the incorrect legal citations.

771
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:11,000
Um, so there's a couple of citations that I have noted.

772
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:14,000
That it's just like the the law itself is.

773
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:18,000
Correct, is this what you're referring to, Doctor Pinpin?

774
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:19,000
Yes

775
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:24,000
Okay, um, there's, like, some of the subdivisions are off, and so that was a suggestion.

776
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:29,000
To at least at a minimum, just clean that up.

777
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:30,000
Right.

778
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:32,000
Yeah.

779
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:34,000
Oh.

780
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:35,000
Oh, no.

781
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:36,000
Can you hear me?

782
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:37,000
Jennifer has a question.

783
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:39,000
Oh, okay.

784
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:41,000
On the informing

785
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:52,000
Parents, if the board decides that's a need, we can certainly support creating documents. I know it's an overwhelming process for parents and

786
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:59,000
and letterhead, and lots of information. It's not easy to digest, and so we can certainly support

787
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:09,000
Creating at a glance information so they can kind of glance and okay, this is what I want, and then go a little deeper instead of flooding all of that. So we'd be happy to support the staff with the logistics of it, but making it kind of a very user-friendly guide

788
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:24,000
And I don't know if it would be us or the

789
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:31,000
Well, it is Vallejo, but someone from our staff could tell them like on their reason for denial, it says met quota

790
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:41,000
Can we move that from the form state it a different way, but when it says met quota, that's the only reason why you were denied, and we're looking at it like, that's the only reason why they're denied. Right. What does that mean

791
01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:49,000
Yeah, where does that

792
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:59,000
And there's so many changes that they could do and they could be fine therefore I don't know if it'd be the staff to talk to them about that or not, but I think even as a parent where you're trying to move your child from one school to another, the reason they're telling you can't

793
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:06,000
Yeah.

794
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:18,000
it just incomplete, and you've been denied, but they don't tell them why, but the requirements

795
01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:24,600
So they said there was going

796
01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:27,000
Yeah.

797
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:44,000
And if they could standardize their forms, because sometimes it's via that form. Sometimes it's an email. So if they could just standardize it because it's confusing for us, for the parents and for the board.

798
01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:59,000
And we also noticed that some of the denials, the first denial and the pet denial were like denial same day. Or the appeal is earlier than the initial denial

799
01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:07,000
Wow.

800
01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:12,000
If I could also this came up a few times. I think

801
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:21,000
If we could do a better job of explaining to the parents the significance of the documents they're sending us, so that if they're sending it to us

802
01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:31,000
as a picture on the back of a napkin, that's not great evidence to support, you know, we really need to then make that clear and maybe they don't have the opportunity. Maybe we should find a way to give them the opportunity

803
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:46,000
But really, they did not understand or know that not being able that they think they're just checking off a list rather than we're trying to read this. So that was another little thing that came up a few times that the school district

804
01:13:51,000 --> 01:14:00,000
They could be instrumental in that when they're telling them how to put together their evidences, if you will, that

805
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:10,000
There's a standard and they need to explain how that standard can be worked through their evidences, how they can

806
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:14,800
Right. So it's okay to welcome someone

807
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:27,000
I know a question

808
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:37,000
President Sharp would ask often is, did the other school contact you, or did you go to a meeting? So maybe that could be on the form. So if we know if other schools are coaching students from an area

809
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:46,800
I think that's a whole nother topic.

810
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:57,000
But I would be interested to know, when we run into that over and over and over again, where it was Napa, and what is our

811
01:14:57,000 --> 01:15:07,000
It's my understanding that's a Ballejos fight. Pellet. If there's anything we can do, because that was a hot mess.

812
01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:09,400
Used to be Venetia.

813
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:16,400
School board meetings, yeah.

814
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:28,000
I had a question about the form after the fact. Would that be done in conjunction with the district? So is there some collaboration there? So it

815
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:35,000
Kind of the warm handoff, or is it just a form to

816
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:45,000
An information form as opposed to, okay. You are, this is the name of the person that you'll be contacting because some of that did come up at the end when the BCUSC staff would talk to the parents, I'll be in touch or something

817
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:57,000
But is there a possibility that that form could be

818
01:15:57,000 --> 01:16:04,000
a little bit more instructive on next steps right on the form

819
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:06,000
Yeah.

820
01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:08,400
So obviously denial or

821
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:25,000
We can reply to all and if it's been approved and we say that didn't check enough

822
01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:29,200
We do that, but does the district

823
01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:37,600
As they indicated that parents are calling back and saying hey

824
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:50,000
So we are doing that right now, and we can send a letter via mail

825
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:54,000
Electronic

826
01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:57,000
Yeah, so within

827
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:11,000
But Teresa, you're suggesting that when they leave here that night, the former shell say they should leave but it also have that information on that? I think it would be a wonderful opportunity that we

828
01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:23,000
That we just handwrite it in that there is a form set up that these are the next steps and here is the approval path here is the denial path and here is the warm handoff to the next person. Yeah, I think that's really smart.

829
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:38,000
I don't know the next steps

830
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:48,000
Can I offer one more suggestion to it as we're looking at all the communication and thinking as we evaluate all of our pieces, it might serve us well to think about fourth grade reading level for everything that we write for simplicity. Sometimes we get

831
01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:04,000
Pulled into Ed Code speak and collegiate speak, and if we

832
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:11,000
write the information and then do a second pass for a fourth grade reading level. I think that makes it a little more accessible for our families.

833
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:21,000
And that's also good with the interpreters. Yeah, the translators, interpreters, whatever for them to understand that too. That's why I agree they should be certified, because they would understand that.

834
01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:35,000
I still like the video idea, yeah, I think so too minimum, like whatever we'll put it as a picture of what you're walking into

835
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:42,600
She felt like she'd done something wrong. It was awful.

836
01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:58,600
You make everything pretty, Jennifer, so it wouldn't be scary. Some cartoons, nice fonts, yeah

837
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:02,000
Anybody else for question two?

838
01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:06,000
We started doing this, but as I'm thinking about a poor soul sitting here completely shaking, crying, whatever

839
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:08,000
Okay.

840
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:23,000
I guess it's a question. Are we making clear to them that their immigration status not a factor or anything like that?

841
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:26,000
That is a good point.

842
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:37,000
I think I should have been more terrifying. Maybe that's part of the initial

843
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:41,000
I'm okay, you're okay.

844
01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:42,000
Did you hear that, Courtney?

845
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:47,000
I heard the question, are we making them clear? But that was, was there more to it?

846
01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:50,000
Are we making it clear that immigration status is not a factor?

847
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:53,000
Or is there more after that?

848
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:59,000
Okay, I don't think that that's been made clear to folks, but I'm sure that that's something.

849
01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:02,000
Because I was going to recap kind of the… I was writing notes.

850
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:08,000
the big subject matters I heard, um, and maybe I can address that one when we get there, is, like, one of the things I heard is.

851
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:13,000
The overall experience for the parents, and I think this is.

852
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:21,000
Before what they can expect during what can they expect and what can they expect after. And so I think this is sort of a before and during.

853
01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:26,000
And maybe some sort of worksheet or something that is provided to them that it's made clear to them.

854
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:31,000
That that's not a factor, um, I think that that would be something that can be contemplated.

855
01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:35,000
In that, and I'm thinking almost of, and I heard, I think.

856
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:43,000
Jennifer, you said, like, at a glance, I like that kind of idea at a glance. Something that's really digestible for folks to understand.

857
01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:50,000
Um, I know they do it, like, in the court system sometimes shows you, like, how to file something, and it's like a step-by-step, very clear.

858
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:59,000
Um, not in legalese, and so I kind of foresee something like that, maybe, as it's something that's provided to everyone, so everyone is getting the same information, because we also want to make sure that.

859
01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:04,000
Certain folks aren't being treated differently, and so it's the same information and that that something is incorporated in there.

860
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:13,000
As to immigration status not being, you know, at all considered or a factor in this decision-making process, I think makes a lot of sense.

861
01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:16,000
Trustee Cohen-Thompson, I see you.

862
01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:23,600
Courtney or give that introduction on what's about to happen

863
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:27,000
Hmm.

864
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:31,000
That can be a time that you could mention because you're the legal person that immigrate all the information that's

865
01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:37,000
has no immigration factors. It doesn't apply to anything for immigration

866
01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:40,000
coming from you as you're explaining what's about to happen

867
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:42,000
During the hearing.

868
01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:47,000
the appeal off, but it's this and it's that and the other

869
01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:56,000
would be a good time to put that in, not necessarily for the trustees, but from you as a part of the overall

870
01:21:56,000 --> 01:22:00,000
process if you will and the information that is going back and forth and just simple what you just said

871
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:02,000
Yeah. Yeah.

872
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:05,000
May I

873
01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:09,000
I think we need to be considerate in terms of how we approach that because we also want to make sure that we're not.

874
01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:15,000
saying it to just some people and not, it would need to be part of a standardized script, I think, that's provided to everyone.

875
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:18,000
So that it doesn't seem like we're, you know.

876
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:22,200
making any assumptions about folks, but yeah.

877
01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:26,000
When you're explaining the process, that's a

878
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:28,000
Yeah.

879
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:31,000
Mm-hmm.

880
01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:41,000
I think that's too late because there will be people that have self-selected prior to that before if they have that concern, they may not even step forward. So I think

881
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:55,000
That is too late in the process. I think it needs to be stated up and the school district could do that.

882
01:22:55,000 --> 01:23:04,000
Right, when they're telling them about the process of the appeal, that can be a part of that information that they're giving.

883
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:14,000
What's going to be happening. So the school district. I would say that that they they should do that. That should be a part of them.

884
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:17,000
We can just

885
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:24,000
Make mention. And it's everybody. All right, because everybody's looking. We're online. People are looking.

886
01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:26,000
And they're not understanding

887
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:33,000
somebody might be wanting to know, like you said, don't come forward because

888
01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:43,000
They're not sure of what's going on, that they don't want to right exactly. So the school district, that should be something that they should make very clear. Sure. I'm not feeling particularly comfortable at the

889
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:58,000
what could be our role and our responsibility and communicating to the folks that come before us to an East So that's

890
01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:10,000
In response to that, I just realized though that I'm saying, oh, we got to take better care of the poor ladies are crying, blah, blah, blah, and be sensitive and all that kind of stuff. But guess what? There are some folks who show up who really need to understand

891
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:25,000
No, they don't get what they want just because they want it, right? And the sense that I didn't realize that I moved somewhere around my kid had to go to that school and they're sort of entitled, it's not really the right

892
01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:39,000
fashionable word that's not exactly but so there's the pendulum has to swing the other way, too, in terms of communicating with

893
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:49,000
Yeah, if you live, the default is if you live here, that's where your kid goes right before they show up here, just think once again, they just had to check this up another. So they got their information from a cocktail party. Right, like we made this decision to rent this house

894
01:24:58,000 --> 01:25:05,000
Because we wanted our child to go here when that was not the right information. Yeah

895
01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:12,000
But also you buy in the city, your kid is going to go to that school, right? And then, well, anyway

896
01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:13,000
I'm not gonna get them.

897
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:18,000
So before we move on to the — oh, go ahead.

898
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:20,400
Oh, go ahead, please.

899
01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:26,000
The school got closed

900
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:36,000
That's not what happened. But that could come up. And now they're being told, no, you're going to go to this school now. That's not really what I meant

901
01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:55,000
I know what you meant that I hear her too with the vast majority of my thoughts are on those poor single moms or whatever that don't really speak the language, that didn't understand the process, that no one held their hand

902
01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:07,000
And they show up in this in front of this body. You know, that's the main thing. I think we could do better

903
01:26:07,000 --> 01:26:11,000
But I think we could also do better with the people who

904
01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:15,200
I think they just get it, Hosea

905
01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:28,000
Although I would not hear for this process, I heard a lot about it, and thank you all for all of the time and effort and energy that you put into it.

906
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:40,000
So I believe that this here tonight sets an example for how we can continue to improve this process, having a board study session in which we are reflecting and communicating and collaborating and refining it together

907
01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:55,000
And it really sets the tone for the district. And I've had the fortunate opportunity since I've been on board to to engage in a debrief session with Vallejo Unified staff that's responsible for the interdistrict transfers, along with Dr. Pinpin, as well as Elena

908
01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:11,000
And it was a very fruitful process, just like this one we discussed what worked well, what were some challenges, what were some of our learnings, as well as next steps. And we will continue to engage in that process with them. But I realize in this space, we also need to do that with other districts

909
01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:24,000
That are impacted, not just Elena Unified, we know that they are the biggest

910
01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:34,000
Partner in this, but others as well. So the learning that we had with Vallejo in this is that we also need to take a look at the data and the outcome.

911
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:46,000
So when we put in this amount of energy and effort, and we understand the rationale for why they have put this in place, and it is really to ensure that they maintain their enrollment, and we want to support them in that effort, of course, at the same time, we also know that

912
01:27:53,000 --> 01:28:03,000
Sometimes we don't yield the desired outcome no matter how hard we work at that. So often we know that when parents don't get their way in the end, they don't just resign to that fact. They find other ways, workarounds

913
01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:16,000
to get to wherever they want to get to. And I know from my past experience, having been in other districts that

914
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:26,000
They either the ones who can afford it will go to private schools. The ones who cannot afford it may go to charter schools. Or they may just simply use another address to get to where they want to get to. So there are many different workarounds that parents may find

915
01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:41,000
So we left the meeting with Vallejo Unified asking for clear next steps to be data analysis, for them to take a look at their enrollment information. For all of the students that were denied those transfers

916
01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:50,000
Where do they end up? Did they end up in your schools

917
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:54,000
How many ended up in those schools?

918
01:28:54,000 --> 01:29:02,000
Can we have an interview with those students and families to hear about their experiences if they did remain in those schools

919
01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:12,000
So that's going to be our next steps. Follow up with them. I had the opportunity to let the superintendent as well add the assistant superintendent know that we were having this study session tonight, and they were very, very pleased to hear that, that we are taking an active interest

920
01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:27,000
and wanting to improve our partnership and processes, and so they volunteer to call me if they needed to come tonight, and but we let them know that they did not need to be here, but that we will follow up with them afterwards with anything that came out of this that would again strengthen our partnership and

921
01:29:33,000 --> 01:29:43,000
Help support them to yield the desired outcomes that they want. And if that's not the case. Then perhaps they also need to pivot in some ways. They have limited amount of staff and energy and resources as well. And I understand that they want to capture their enrollment

922
01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:54,000
But if this is not the way to do it, then

923
01:29:54,000 --> 01:30:04,000
How can they also make adjustments to make that happen? So I asked the board to continue to engage in this type of study session and continue to think with us and reflect with us about how we can support our district

924
01:30:09,000 --> 01:30:19,000
In order to, again, improve their outcomes. And so we are also committing in this space that we will continue this close collaboration with not Chipoleo, but also we realize that the niche, let's say in certain instances

925
01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:34,000
Once we appeal, once we approve a decision here that they were not notified in enough time.

926
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:43,000
to meet their timelines of accepting those students. So we have some students who actually spaces were not available because by the time he got back to them

927
01:30:43,000 --> 01:30:53,000
They were full. Yeah, they were waitlisted. So again, another learning that we also need to connect with those receiving school insurance and set up a close collaboration with their leadership to ensure that

928
01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:08,000
We are connecting the dots for one another and making sure all of us are doing our due diligence to better support our families and our students. And yeah, continue to work in partnership.

929
01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:20,000
Thank you for that. So should we have a form from the receiving school as part of the packet if they've said they want, oh yeah, we've already been accepted, but we don't have a document to show that they've been accepted. That's

930
01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:35,000
Should that be included? That would be wonderful. And of course, we can't make another district do anything, right? But it is relationship and partnership building, yes, and the information that we provide to parents once they're coming here

931
01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:46,000
to let them know, be prepared. Get the receiving document from the school that you intend to

932
01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:56,000
a go-to, and then it'll be a… we will have it as part of our package, so we know how to follow up. That's a great idea with this new packet that we're going to try to put together with all this information. That's when they're in our hands.

933
01:32:02,000 --> 01:32:09,000
Yes, yes, that's a great idea. Right? Yes, and we have those letters.

934
01:32:09,000 --> 01:32:19,000
Oh, where do fine. They're accepted, but that's not how it works. But that way you guys can follow up

935
01:32:22,000 --> 01:32:25,000
with Benisha or any other school

936
01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:35,000
Actually, when we had our discussion. When we had our discussion with Vallejo, because our deadlines are affected by their deadlines.

937
01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:47,000
So if they adhere to their deadlines, then we won't have to worry about

938
01:32:47,000 --> 01:32:57,000
Bleeding into the summer, and of course we want to make sure that you have your your summer vacation. So, because what happened, at least for for last year, was that this is their deadline, and they kept on moving it

939
01:33:03,000 --> 01:33:13,000
And when they move it, then our deadlines are because we have that 30-day So And in our discussion, they were thinking of their planning on shortening the time

940
01:33:18,000 --> 01:33:28,000
So instead of the end of March, yeah, they're thinking of doing it either the 1st or the middle of so that

941
01:33:29,000 --> 01:33:38,000
when they appealed to the county, then that gives us enough time to be able to work on their packets

942
01:33:38,000 --> 01:33:48,000
And at the same time, our suggestion to them is if they could work with their technology. Because right now

943
01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:49,000
They're not

944
01:33:49,000 --> 01:33:59,000
effectively able to notify the students who need to go through the interdistrict transfer. And what happens, some parents only get to know about it in May

945
01:34:01,000 --> 01:34:03,000
when it's already too late

946
01:34:03,000 --> 01:34:06,000
And at the same time

947
01:34:09,000 --> 01:34:13,000
If you notice, we had an issue

948
01:34:13,000 --> 01:34:19,000
With one of two of the students where there was no

949
01:34:19,000 --> 01:34:25,600
initial denial. They only have the second appeal, the appeal denial

950
01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:36,000
And thank you, Courtney, for being there to guide us on what the Ed Code says about that, about exhausting all resources

951
01:34:38,000 --> 01:34:45,000
But we were giving them some suggestions on maybe they could work with their technology

952
01:34:45,000 --> 01:34:52,000
So that the parents won't be able to do the the appeal

953
01:34:52,000 --> 01:35:02,000
without being denied first for their first the initial application, and that would make our lives easier instead of us trying to figure out like, oh, poor Elena to figure out like, oh, how come there's only one denial

954
01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:14,000
And things like that. We want to adhere to and code, but they just have to

955
01:35:14,000 --> 01:35:21,200
improve on their system. So basically anyone could appeal without having a

956
01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:32,200
First, you're very sweet. I don't love the word suggest.

957
01:35:33,000 --> 01:35:43,000
I got you there. That's not a suggestion. If they want us to take them seriously, they need to take themselves seriously. We have learnings. They had a lot of learning this year and they should be incorporating this their case

958
01:35:50,000 --> 01:35:54,000
So you can suggest all you want

959
01:35:54,000 --> 01:36:04,000
I suggest that we use a firmer word. Use the word consent. But turning to your comments, thank you so much. That's very meaningful. I do have, first, I love the idea that we're going to get real data from them and they're going to analyze that

960
01:36:09,000 --> 01:36:15,000
And actually, we're talking about BCUSD. I realized we didn't introduce the

961
01:36:15,000 --> 01:36:25,000
assistant superintendent for background, you know they showed up. So Valeo doesn't show. Okay, so they showed up. So I think that's interesting. But back to what you're saying. So here's the issue for me with the data, and everybody knows I asked every time

962
01:36:34,000 --> 01:36:42,000
How many came in, how much… so they said two, three years ago, they had 1,000 applications.

963
01:36:42,000 --> 01:36:47,000
Two years ago they had 900. This last year they were going to cut it at 850.

964
01:36:47,000 --> 01:36:57,000
They came to us in advance telling us about how we had to support them, and they got all the politics involved, got everybody saying how we're a problem because we're not helping them, blah, blah blah. We had 27

965
01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:06,000
Of those appeals come to us.

966
01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:13,000
They ended up by their own numbers, letting what they were trying to only let 100 go.

967
01:37:13,000 --> 01:37:23,000
I'm sorry, a thousand though, right? They were trying to let 1% go. They ended up letting over 6% go.

968
01:37:24,000 --> 01:37:29,000
They made that decision, not us. So I feel like they should own up to that

969
01:37:29,000 --> 01:37:33,000
And I feel like that data should reflect

970
01:37:33,000 --> 01:37:35,400
We were responsible for

971
01:37:36,000 --> 01:37:39,000
A tiny percentage one way or the other

972
01:37:39,000 --> 01:37:47,000
It was big for us because it's the most we ever had and it impacted our schedules and our lives and my

973
01:37:47,000 --> 01:37:54,800
my diet, since I only ate the one kind of salad forever. But

974
01:37:55,000 --> 01:38:05,000
I think that I really am craving an honest assessment of how successful they really were at this 1% number

975
01:38:05,000 --> 01:38:12,000
And what what changed that right or what do we know what number they're looking for this year?

976
01:38:12,000 --> 01:38:14,000
They want 1% again?

977
01:38:14,000 --> 01:38:24,000
That's his his mantra. And he can do that all they're looking at dollars. It's a worshiping book. They're looking at the dollars. Of course they are, but they gave away the 5 million, not we didn't. But they don't understand. We didn't. We gave away $27

978
01:38:31,000 --> 01:38:39,000
$270,000, and yet they fill the room with people saying that we're the problem, we're not the problem

979
01:38:39,000 --> 01:38:40,000
So

980
01:38:40,000 --> 01:38:43,000
Let's have a realistic discussion

981
01:38:43,000 --> 01:38:49,000
Superintendent, board, let's have a realistic discussion amongst yourselves

982
01:38:49,000 --> 01:38:52,000
about how realistic the 1% is

983
01:38:53,000 --> 01:38:56,000
And how to achieve that 1%.

984
01:38:56,000 --> 01:38:58,000
Yeah.

985
01:38:58,000 --> 01:39:00,000
They made the decision to live.

986
01:39:00,000 --> 01:39:05,000
$6 million out, which they absolutely had the right to do. I support it 100%.

987
01:39:05,000 --> 01:39:07,000
But

988
01:39:08,000 --> 01:39:10,000
Not to be politically realistic

989
01:39:10,000 --> 01:39:14,000
And the data really does matter. So I'm anxious to see

990
01:39:14,000 --> 01:39:24,000
Yes, and it would behoove them to do that analysis and make the adjustments necessary as they have to shrink their staffing. They don't have the capacity to continue at this rate if it's not yielding the outcome that they are want

991
01:39:34,000 --> 01:39:44,000
The thought I had may not even be relevant now, but back was talking is that I think some of the parents, when they come, they're not even in front of the Elenian High School District. So the first time they come in front of a board

992
01:39:49,000 --> 01:39:59,000
is in front of us. So that's another kind of giving them information about what to expect, because the first appeal their first denial denial was all in writing. Did they have to come to appeal and it's in person

993
01:40:05,000 --> 01:40:12,200
And then I wonder, why don't they do it in person?

994
01:40:20,000 --> 01:40:30,000
Yeah, but then it's different than sitting in front of a person. 100%. Yes, it is very different. You have to say, so, as we sit here and absorb all of that

995
01:40:31,000 --> 01:40:38,000
Angstin, Joy and all the different things. In this case, Vallejo City Unified Board

996
01:40:38,000 --> 01:40:42,000
Do they even know what was happening?

997
01:40:42,000 --> 01:40:51,000
And as additional information often comes up while they're sitting there in front of you that's not in writing. So

998
01:40:51,000 --> 01:40:58,000
That makes a difference right when you're making a decision. Well, I think their first appeal is just a paper screening.

999
01:40:58,000 --> 01:41:08,000
of the application, and that's done by their staff and then it's sent back and then I think even the second appeal, they don't appear in front of the board it's just another paper to the board yeah but the board does a paper screening, too.

1000
01:41:15,000 --> 01:41:25,000
They don't… some of these people, this is the first time, like you said, they had never been in an appellate room, but my question is, does the board is the board observed 160 times last year

1001
01:41:27,000 --> 01:41:30,000
The board granted an appeal

1002
01:41:31,000 --> 01:41:35,000
All right, that means all the other times they did not

1003
01:41:35,000 --> 01:41:40,000
So they did not, I don't know how many they denied. They denied a lot.

1004
01:41:40,000 --> 01:41:42,000
But

1005
01:41:42,000 --> 01:41:52,000
I mean, we're really engaged in this, and I'm wondering if they're really understanding just a list of names, and they go check check or what is it? 160 is a lot

1006
01:41:55,000 --> 01:42:00,000
The 340 that were denied or whatever that number is, that's more

1007
01:42:00,000 --> 01:42:10,000
And more importantly, what are they doing to make their parents want to keep their students at school? Maybe if we can have that conversation, or maybe I can. Yes.

1008
01:42:16,000 --> 01:42:18,000
Anybody else with question too? Question Courtney.

1009
01:42:18,000 --> 01:42:26,000
Okay. Okay. So we're going to move on to question three. What should we prioritize as we look ahead to next year?

1010
01:42:26,000 --> 01:42:33,000
And I was just going to recap what I think I heard, kind of in four or five buckets, um, and so it sounds like this may be just sort of a recap.

1011
01:42:33,000 --> 01:42:35,000
Um, but I think if you can provide some

1012
01:42:35,000 --> 01:42:39,000
feedback to staff in particular about what to prioritize.

1013
01:42:39,000 --> 01:42:45,000
I heard, number one, some sort of, like, worksheet or cover sheet, maybe, that comes to the board with each packet.

1014
01:42:45,000 --> 01:42:47,000
Clearly identifying what.

1015
01:42:47,000 --> 01:42:52,000
grade the student is going into, what school they want to go into, some just very basic factual.

1016
01:42:52,000 --> 01:42:57,000
Questions to be answered, and the same questions that you kind of have been asking every time.

1017
01:42:57,000 --> 01:43:02,000
Um, the big… this is a big one, sort of the experience for the parents. I know that's a.

1018
01:43:02,000 --> 01:43:07,000
Before, during, and afters, there's a lot of components to that.

1019
01:43:07,000 --> 01:43:10,000
Um, I heard another big one was.

1020
01:43:10,000 --> 01:43:12,000
improving upon the translation.

1021
01:43:12,000 --> 01:43:14,000
Getting a certified translator.

1022
01:43:14,000 --> 01:43:24,000
uh, making sure that that process is airtight, and what does that also look like when there is a translator in terms of the 2 minutes and the 10 minutes.

1023
01:43:25,000 --> 01:43:29,000
Another big bucket was sort of just the relationship with the districts.

1024
01:43:29,000 --> 01:43:34,000
Now that we've gone through this, I heard not making necessarily requests, but

1025
01:43:34,000 --> 01:43:36,000
collaborating on…

1026
01:43:36,000 --> 01:43:40,000
process and things that the board would expect to see.

1027
01:43:40,000 --> 01:43:50,000
Um, and what does that look like in the continued collaboration, which it sounds like you've got… I know Dr. Shin and Dr. Lilibeth already did… have been engaging in that, and I'm sure others in the room have as well.

1028
01:43:50,000 --> 01:43:54,000
Um, and then this one, I think, was just a smaller one, but also the board.

1029
01:43:54,000 --> 01:44:04,000
bylaw, making some amendments to that, maybe even just from the citation perspective, but as you go through this process, do you think there's anything else that you want to add there? So that's kind of… those are the five categories that I heard.

1030
01:44:05,000 --> 01:44:08,000
Um, if there's others I missed, please share those, but.

1031
01:44:08,000 --> 01:44:18,000
What would you all like to see prioritized over the next? Doesn't mean that they all can't happen, but what do you… what would you like to see as a priority for the next year?

1032
01:44:20,000 --> 01:44:30,000
things we talked about and use the word instead of suggest expectations. What this board expects expectations is a good word for educators. Expectations

1033
01:44:36,000 --> 01:44:46,000
My priority would definitely be the experience of parents. I think everything else will flow from that if the parents have a good experience. Whether they win or lose. Yeah.

1034
01:44:47,000 --> 01:44:48,000
Courtney, on my end, I

1035
01:44:48,000 --> 01:44:50,000
Anyone else?

1036
01:44:50,000 --> 01:44:57,000
I think if we could update the policy as soon as possible.

1037
01:44:57,000 --> 01:44:58,000
Elena would like to see the

1038
01:44:58,000 --> 01:45:00,000
To update policies?

1039
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:02,000
The bylaws

1040
01:45:02,000 --> 01:45:07,000
Yeah. Oh yeah, I mean, they would need to go to the board. The board would need to review. I mean, there's the board there.

1041
01:45:07,000 --> 01:45:10,000
Like, you all can have this, like, Sco can have internal.

1042
01:45:10,000 --> 01:45:15,000
protocols, right? I like to call them sort of internal protocols, checklists, whatever.

1043
01:45:15,000 --> 01:45:21,000
And then the board bylaw is going to be the Board's bylaw, so the board would need to take that to the board.

1044
01:45:21,000 --> 01:45:31,000
agenda and review it and make any edits. So if there's any edits there, that's really gonna be a board thing. Um, so I like to think of those as sort of two components, is what staffs kind of internal protocols that you want to revisit, and then what's the board's.

1045
01:45:33,000 --> 01:45:36,000
bylaws. Does that make sense?

1046
01:45:39,000 --> 01:45:41,000
But of course, with your guidance, right? Because we're not really familiar.

1047
01:45:41,000 --> 01:45:43,000
Oh, yeah. Yes, of course.

1048
01:45:43,000 --> 01:45:45,000
Yeah.

1049
01:45:48,000 --> 01:45:49,000
Thank you.

1050
01:45:49,000 --> 01:45:50,000
Anyone else?

1051
01:45:50,000 --> 01:46:00,000
collaboration with the districts, but I found it very helpful here during the briefing on their policy changes. So any updates to their policy changes ahead of any

1052
01:46:05,000 --> 01:46:10,000
Work that we do with the families would be helpful

1053
01:46:10,000 --> 01:46:12,000
That's a good one.

1054
01:46:12,000 --> 01:46:14,000
Okay, anything else?

1055
01:46:17,000 --> 01:46:24,000
Well, I'll say for sure it's the experience of the parents and the students to the extent the students are here.

1056
01:46:24,000 --> 01:46:34,000
And I think some of you have heard me say this, so when I'm from Venetian Unified, like, you could not go into the grocery store in the orange section if

1057
01:46:34,000 --> 01:46:40,000
Perchance we had decided to move Algebra 1 from 0 period right?

1058
01:46:40,000 --> 01:46:50,000
There would be 500 people in overflow and everything else if we're making some broad adjustment that slightly impacted these students lives, right?

1059
01:46:51,000 --> 01:47:01,000
The 27 students that came before us, we changed their life. And for better or worse, I mean, that had a real impact, that decision. So to the extent that we can make it more comfortable and more respectful for them

1060
01:47:06,000 --> 01:47:16,000
So even if it doesn't go their way, they don't feel like the world is against them. I think that to me, that's the most important

1061
01:47:26,000 --> 01:47:27,000
Okay.

1062
01:47:27,000 --> 01:47:28,000
Okay. Anyone else? Okay. Seeing none.

1063
01:47:28,000 --> 01:47:35,000
Okay, so before we move on, anything else that anyone wanted to share, um, as to interdistrict transfers? And we're gonna move on to the last topic.

1064
01:47:35,000 --> 01:47:37,000
Okay. Seeing none.

1065
01:47:39,000 --> 01:47:44,000
Okay, so the final topic is going to be trustee questions on Board Agenda.

1066
01:47:44,000 --> 01:47:51,000
I do have two slides that I'm gonna go over, but before we kind of talk into the process, I'm going to turn it over to Superintendent and Parr.

1067
01:47:51,000 --> 01:48:00,000
Um, to kind of provide an introduction to this topic and sort of her rationale for wanting to bring this to the trustees.

1068
01:48:00,000 --> 01:48:02,000
Wow

1069
01:48:02,000 --> 01:48:06,000
2 years ago, when I was a trustee for Fairfield-Sassoon

1070
01:48:06,000 --> 01:48:12,000
We had a process that we were trained when we came in as a trustee

1071
01:48:12,000 --> 01:48:15,000
We want to make sure that you have

1072
01:48:15,000 --> 01:48:21,000
The answers to your questions. And we want to make sure that we're giving you accurate information.

1073
01:48:21,000 --> 01:48:26,000
So they had a whole process that we went through where we were going to review the packets, ask

1074
01:48:26,000 --> 01:48:28,000
questions in advance if

1075
01:48:28,000 --> 01:48:35,000
We had questions to ask in advance. We can also ask questions during the board meeting if

1076
01:48:35,000 --> 01:48:44,000
after hearing a presentation, something organically came up, a question came up. You needed clarification. But there was always an understanding that

1077
01:48:44,000 --> 01:48:54,000
I may not get an answer to that question, depending on what I'm asking, depending on whether or not they have the information, depending on whether or not there's a couple of people that need to consult and communicate to make sure that we're giving

1078
01:48:57,000 --> 01:49:07,000
accurate information. So we understood that we knew that. And coming here, one of the things that I noticed, and it really had to do a lot with some of the presentations that we do around

1079
01:49:10,000 --> 01:49:20,000
The charter school and some of the other topics that we have to talk about where there are questions that are answered or questions that are asked to staff

1080
01:49:20,000 --> 01:49:30,000
staff are like, oh, should I answer that? I think I have the information. I'm not 100% sure. I don't know how to answer that question. And I know the feeling because I presented to

1081
01:49:30,000 --> 01:49:40,000
boards in the past and different positions. And I know the nervousness of just doing the presentations and am I getting this right? Did I get this information correct? Am I telling them the right information? I want to eliminate that if possible

1082
01:49:46,000 --> 01:49:52,000
Completely from staff. Feeling that they have to answer something immediately when it's asked.

1083
01:49:52,000 --> 01:49:59,000
And I want to make sure that you get information that is accurate and timely.

1084
01:49:59,000 --> 01:50:04,000
So I started thinking about the process that we had in Fairfield.

1085
01:50:04,000 --> 01:50:07,000
I had a great conversation with Michelle

1086
01:50:07,000 --> 01:50:17,000
And I was talking with her about this, and she had some history about how this process started in Fairfield-Sassoon. and wanted to bring this to your attention. I know I've had

1087
01:50:18,000 --> 01:50:21,000
Separate conversations with you about

1088
01:50:21,000 --> 01:50:28,000
Making adjustments and tweaking how you ask questions in advance and how you get accurate information back.

1089
01:50:28,000 --> 01:50:38,000
And really wanting to have this opportunity as a time to talk about how you're feeling about questions being asked. How are you feeling about responses that you're getting, and any expectations that you have, so that we have a clear process so that staff, when they're presenting to you

1090
01:50:44,000 --> 01:50:53,000
They know exactly what to expect, and that you know exactly what to expect. So wanted to just start off with that

1091
01:50:53,000 --> 01:50:55,400
My biggest pet peek

1092
01:50:56,000 --> 01:51:01,000
Because we ask a lot of questions and we know we did

1093
01:51:01,000 --> 01:51:09,000
My thing is, when we ask a question, we're not just asking the question for us, but we're asking the question for the public

1094
01:51:09,000 --> 01:51:13,000
And so if you say, I'm going to get back to you

1095
01:51:13,000 --> 01:51:17,000
But it's not in a public forum

1096
01:51:17,000 --> 01:51:24,000
Then you're not really answering the question in the open meeting that it was intended in.

1097
01:51:24,000 --> 01:51:32,000
So my thing is, if you're gonna get back to us, then it should be at the next meeting

1098
01:51:32,000 --> 01:51:37,000
There should be like a placeholders of questions from last meeting. Here are the answers.

1099
01:51:37,000 --> 01:51:47,000
You know, like we do correspondence, or whatever, these were the questions that were brought up at such and such a meeting, and we now have the answers for you, so that it's done in an open public meeting, and people in the public know the answers to these 2. Yeah, great, we know the answers

1100
01:51:54,000 --> 01:51:57,000
But if those people were listening that day

1101
01:51:57,000 --> 01:52:01,000
They're not going to know him if you email us the answers

1102
01:52:01,000 --> 01:52:09,000
You know, so I just think it needs to be the answers need to come in a public forum too. Because that's where the questions were asked.

1103
01:52:09,000 --> 01:52:19,000
Yeah, the responses. Yeah, you can do it just like we do correspondence, right? You could do a follow-up to questions asked at a previous board meeting

1104
01:52:25,000 --> 01:52:35,000
She's going to pay me the big idea. I couldn't agree more. Yes, I think there's a few different buckets that are involved here

1105
01:52:36,000 --> 01:52:42,000
So first, if we're having, if it's an item that we are making a decision on

1106
01:52:42,000 --> 01:52:52,000
Yeah, no, there's going to be some questions that you got to think of on your feet. That's the job. And our job is to think in the moment, decide in the moment. We are not allowed to decide in advance.

1107
01:52:55,000 --> 01:53:05,000
So it's natural for us We are required by the Brown Act and a number of other things to make the decision in that hearing. So yes, we're going to be creating additional information as it comes up. That's just part of the process

1108
01:53:12,000 --> 01:53:17,000
A different thing is a presentation under superintendent's reports

1109
01:53:17,000 --> 01:53:24,000
Okay, sure, that makes sense that we… perhaps we could have a little more prep time on that and perhaps the

1110
01:53:24,000 --> 01:53:33,000
Staff would understand some of the questions that are coming ahead that that kind of makes sense. And then the third item is sunshine items.

1111
01:53:33,000 --> 01:53:36,000
Where we absolutely are the Pope

1112
01:53:36,000 --> 01:53:46,000
It comes before us as a sunshine item. There's a couple of things I've asked for that I think are going to come forward essentially a sunshine. We are the public. We're going to ask questions as they come up. If you if you let us know in advance and we have some questions, great.

1113
01:53:52,000 --> 01:53:57,000
I think most especially where we have to make a decision

1114
01:53:57,000 --> 01:54:03,000
We can do some advanced prep, but no, there's going to always be some on your feet.

1115
01:54:03,000 --> 01:54:05,000
Dude, that's the process

1116
01:54:05,000 --> 01:54:15,000
Those are my thoughts. I don't know how my colleagues feel. I agree with that as well. But I think they're like oftentimes we do get so many information in advance, so we can you know prepare our questions so you can send them to you

1117
01:54:22,000 --> 01:54:32,000
But because we are in a public, I think because we got to think of the questions in public, I think some of the answers should be provided in public and I just don't want to get into place

1118
01:54:35,000 --> 01:54:41,000
Where every time we're asking a question Risner will get back to you next meeting. We'll get back to you next meeting.

1119
01:54:41,000 --> 01:54:45,000
So I think it's like that

1120
01:54:45,000 --> 01:54:54,000
Give and take a little bit something we, I mean, I would love to hear that you said you spoke to Michelle and there's a fair way of doing kind of talk about

1121
01:54:54,000 --> 01:54:56,000
That was

1122
01:54:56,000 --> 01:55:05,000
I know that Courtney also has reviewed kind of our process and has some questions potentially. So between Michelle and Courtney, absolutely

1123
01:55:05,000 --> 01:55:08,000
Well, let me say this

1124
01:55:09,000 --> 01:55:10,000
Here's a deeper dive

1125
01:55:10,000 --> 01:55:11,000
Yeah, so I was gonna say.

1126
01:55:11,000 --> 01:55:21,000
In some of the questions, because we really dig deep into some of the presentations, and they're not able to give us those answers. We need to recognize when there's a deeper dive and make sure when we are setting the next agenda

1127
01:55:27,000 --> 01:55:37,000
That that sits high on the list on the agenda to bring that question, put it back out there, and then that person gives the answer, because all the answers are not surfaced on your feet answers. Absolutely. Right, because we do get kind of heady

1128
01:55:43,000 --> 01:55:53,000
I don't mean that in a negative way, but that's because we need that information so that we can make the decisions that we have to make. So there are times when it is necessary to

1129
01:55:56,000 --> 01:56:01,000
come back with that information, and I would tell staff, when you do that

1130
01:56:01,000 --> 01:56:03,000
Think about

1131
01:56:03,000 --> 01:56:09,000
Both sides are presenting that information, not just presenting it

1132
01:56:09,000 --> 01:56:11,400
Because we asked that

1133
01:56:12,000 --> 01:56:20,000
Think about the pro and the con of that when you respond, because if when you respond with that answer

1134
01:56:20,000 --> 01:56:30,000
That's going to sometimes initiate another question, all right, but you're only prepared to answer the question that was asked a month ago. So

1135
01:56:30,000 --> 01:56:32,000
I think really

1136
01:56:33,000 --> 01:56:41,000
stand on top and look down when you're preparing those responses for those deeper dive

1137
01:56:41,000 --> 01:56:51,000
Information that we're asking because we're only asking for information that'll help us do our job, our responsibilities, and making decisions because we depend on you

1138
01:56:51,000 --> 01:56:53,000
You're the experts if

1139
01:56:53,000 --> 01:56:58,400
In those matters, and we need to understand that

1140
01:57:00,000 --> 01:57:08,000
I really appreciate you explaining your position and that dual side. You know it's really about

1141
01:57:08,000 --> 01:57:14,000
us respecting that we're getting the information that you're needing to do to make your decisions.

1142
01:57:14,000 --> 01:57:16,000
And that

1143
01:57:16,000 --> 01:57:23,000
You understand that sometimes it does take a deeper dive and then your role is to also understand

1144
01:57:23,000 --> 01:57:26,000
And I'll just use my own example.

1145
01:57:26,000 --> 01:57:36,000
That SACS report can be 300 pages long. It has over 10,000 lines in it with account strings that are 16 to 22 digits long

1146
01:57:36,000 --> 01:57:46,000
And I sometimes will get a question on the dice, you know, what's the budget? What? How much money do we receive in this resource while I'm familiar with the numbers, I don't work on those resources. As a matter of fact, there's

1147
01:57:50,000 --> 01:58:00,000
15 accountants that work in different sets of resources. So you could even ask the accountants who do the day to day work, and they couldn't tell you what's in this resource. Only at the person who does that resource could probably give you the number off the top of your head

1148
01:58:05,000 --> 01:58:13,000
So it is, it's an appreciation of each other's knowledge base and being able to get you the answer at that point.

1149
01:58:13,000 --> 01:58:18,000
I think one of the things that maybe Courtney will speak to when she's going through the slides is

1150
01:58:18,000 --> 01:58:27,000
I totally appreciate Trustee Coleman's position as, yeah, oftentimes you are asking that question, not just for yourself.

1151
01:58:27,000 --> 01:58:37,000
But you're asking it because you represent constituents and you need this information to be answered in a public way because they're watching or you're following up and they need to hear it.

1152
01:58:38,000 --> 01:58:44,000
No one's trying to prevent that at all. One of the steps in this process is that

1153
01:58:44,000 --> 01:58:46,000
You all would decide

1154
01:58:46,000 --> 01:58:50,000
In conjunction with Superintendent Parr, how that information is shared back.

1155
01:58:50,000 --> 01:58:57,000
One suggestion is how Fairfield does it. They offer it as part of the amended

1156
01:58:57,000 --> 01:59:07,000
available agenda. So it's the Friday before the board agenda is published. It's an amended item that comes. That's just how they did it there.

1157
01:59:10,000 --> 01:59:20,000
We could figure out how to take those questions you have as you've had your time to go through during the week, what the agenda items look like, you peruse them, and those big questions that you all know and appreciate take a deeper dive

1158
01:59:25,000 --> 01:59:35,000
If you could give us that respect to collect the appropriate, accurate information and compile it. And sometimes we have to like check with our counterparts. We have to consult with staff. It gives us a time instead of just pulling a number off the cuff

1159
01:59:41,000 --> 01:59:51,000
I remember I got a Prop 28 question. How much do we really receive? I have no clue. I don't know how much we receive, and I don't know what it's spent on. But I can get you that information and it can be published prior to that meeting. Once I've got the information, the beauty of it is it's shared out to everybody that's on the board

1160
02:00:01,000 --> 02:00:11,000
They see it, and they have consistent information. And if I'm on the podium, and you ask me that question, I've now got it, and you can ask it in a public meeting, and your constituents can have it answered. It's not to say that you wouldn't have a follow up question

1161
02:00:17,000 --> 02:00:25,000
It's not to say you could ask questions at all in order to come to a decision-making process. What we're asking for

1162
02:00:25,000 --> 02:00:35,000
the same time it goes out to everybody else. This notion that we're reading it a week in advance, that's fantasy. Oh, no, I'm not saying a week in advance. You did say a week in advance. Well

1163
02:00:37,000 --> 02:00:47,000
Sometimes they come out earlier than the Friday before. And we're sitting around waiting for We just talked about we review the packets on the weekend before the meeting. Most elected officials do that.

1164
02:00:48,000 --> 02:00:54,000
So how how this doesn't this isn't realistic.

1165
02:00:55,000 --> 02:01:05,000
As to if I'm just saying how it was done in Fairfield and we adjusted the board agenda publishing in order to accommodate time so that could be available

1166
02:01:06,000 --> 02:01:16,000
I can't speak to what they do now. I can only speak to you saying you did when you were doing that, were you getting… were the board members getting the packet way earlier? The packet was coming out a week before the board meeting

1167
02:01:19,000 --> 02:01:29,000
When would you submit? And the questions would come out, I believe the Friday before the Thursday meeting. So the answers would come out as an amended item to the packet. This was six years ago. I can't speak to she's had a sooner experience.

1168
02:01:35,000 --> 02:01:41,000
So would the expectation be that we're waiting with bated breath on the day before

1169
02:01:41,000 --> 02:01:51,000
to review the entire packet and come up with substantive questions that you would then respond to in the next 24 hours, so it goes out in the packet. Some of them are within 24 hours, yes.

1170
02:01:52,000 --> 02:02:02,000
Because I remember Friday mornings we'd be rushing around as staff trying to get the questions answered. What I liked about it is that we had time to collect accurate information. We posted not to one, but we posted to all and to any public that wanted to see it on

1171
02:02:07,000 --> 02:02:09,000
We used Boardocs

1172
02:02:09,000 --> 02:02:15,000
It was an amended additional item and everyone could see it, including the public

1173
02:02:15,000 --> 02:02:18,000
And you had consistent answers.

1174
02:02:18,000 --> 02:02:28,000
It wasn't like one trustee asked a question of someone, another trustee asked a question of the superintendent, another trustee asked somebody somebody else on the staff. And we were prepared that if that question was going to come up in the board meeting.

1175
02:02:31,000 --> 02:02:41,000
We have that information. We appreciate the fact that you're asking questions that need to be answered in a public forum. I totally get that. I don't think you're hearing my concern

1176
02:02:44,000 --> 02:02:48,800
We are human beings with families, jobs, lives

1177
02:02:49,000 --> 02:02:57,000
This is our second job. We're doing it at night, and by your own timeframe, you're asking us to work late into the night

1178
02:02:57,000 --> 02:03:06,000
In order to get you something that you're going to work early in the morning to get out. I just don't think that time frame works. I respect the idea of it

1179
02:03:06,000 --> 02:03:10,000
But as a practical matter, how would we do it

1180
02:03:10,000 --> 02:03:12,000
I don't get it.

1181
02:03:12,000 --> 02:03:18,000
What would be the legal timeframe for posting an amendment before the meeting. So if our meeting is on Wednesday, can you post

1182
02:03:18,000 --> 02:03:28,000
Yeah, good, excellent question. And we've talked about this and Michelle actually already kind of went through the example process slide, so I'm going to skip that and just go to the slide that talks about.

1183
02:03:30,000 --> 02:03:33,000
How does that information get potentially disseminated?

1184
02:03:33,000 --> 02:03:35,000
So.

1185
02:03:36,000 --> 02:03:41,000
The Brown Act requires that the agenda be posted in accordance with whether it's a regular or special meeting.

1186
02:03:41,000 --> 02:03:50,000
So this would be viewed as a sort of supplement to the agenda packet itself. It's not the actual agenda, so.

1187
02:03:50,000 --> 02:03:56,000
We have some flexibility in the timing there. The issue really more so is not the timing.

1188
02:03:56,000 --> 02:04:03,000
It's who is getting the information. So if there's supplemental information being provided to you as the board.

1189
02:04:03,000 --> 02:04:13,000
The public also has to get that information at the same time. That's really the more important thing. It doesn't have the 72-hour requirement, because you're not actually changing the agenda, right? You're not changing, kind of, the agenda items themselves.

1190
02:04:15,000 --> 02:04:18,000
It's sort of a supplemental document. So we kind of talked.

1191
02:04:18,000 --> 02:04:25,000
The last slide here has 3 potential options for this process if the staff and.

1192
02:04:25,000 --> 02:04:28,000
And trustees want to move forward with it.

1193
02:04:28,000 --> 02:04:30,000
Option 1,

1194
02:04:30,000 --> 02:04:33,000
is Sco, you know, to come.

1195
02:04:33,000 --> 02:04:35,000
compiles the questions.

1196
02:04:36,000 --> 02:04:45,000
that were received and the answers, and then just be prepared to respond at the board meeting, so there's nothing physically being disseminated, it's just a verbal.

1197
02:04:45,000 --> 02:04:50,000
Response to the questions that you anticipated, obviously leaving room for.

1198
02:04:50,000 --> 02:04:56,000
Follow up. Option two and three both have actually something physically being provided.

1199
02:04:56,000 --> 02:04:58,000
Option 2 is.

1200
02:04:59,000 --> 02:05:03,000
SCOGE compiles the answers, excuse me, the questions that were received.

1201
02:05:03,000 --> 02:05:05,000
and prepares the responses.

1202
02:05:05,000 --> 02:05:08,000
And then posts that publicly.

1203
02:05:08,000 --> 02:05:17,000
and distributes that to the trustees at the exact same time. So, I know, you know, Fairfield was on a different schedule. Let's say I'm making up this timeline.

1204
02:05:17,000 --> 02:05:24,000
Let's say the Monday before the board meeting is the timeline that everyone's agreed to, if there is ever agreement.

1205
02:05:24,000 --> 02:05:31,000
it gets emailed to the trustees the answers and questions, and it's also posted as sort of a supplemental agenda item.

1206
02:05:31,000 --> 02:05:35,000
On the board website at the same exact time.

1207
02:05:35,000 --> 02:05:37,000
And then the final one

1208
02:05:37,000 --> 02:05:43,000
is go to compile the questions and answers and just have physical copies verbally.

1209
02:05:43,000 --> 02:05:47,000
you know, provide the answers than have physical copies available for any member of the public.

1210
02:05:47,000 --> 02:05:54,000
And the trustees that are present, and then that could be posted as a supplement later down the line, so.

1211
02:05:54,000 --> 02:05:56,000
These are just three options that.

1212
02:05:56,000 --> 02:05:59,000
The most important thing, which is what you had also said.

1213
02:05:59,000 --> 02:06:06,000
Trustee Coleman is, you're asking these questions, yes, in part, to inform your decision-making, but for the public.

1214
02:06:06,000 --> 02:06:10,000
And so it's important that the answers are made available to the public, which is.

1215
02:06:10,000 --> 02:06:16,000
And I don't want to speak for you, Superintendent Parr, but, you know, please feel free to chime in. The idea of this is.

1216
02:06:16,000 --> 02:06:26,000
How do those questions get asked so that the information can be made available to the public? I think the whole idea with this process is so that it is available to the public, and that it's not being provided.

1217
02:06:27,000 --> 02:06:35,000
at a later time in a way that's not made available to the public. And I know you also provided a very good option about maybe adding a placeholder item.

1218
02:06:35,000 --> 02:06:41,000
For obviously non-action items or things where you can provide follow-up questions at the next board meeting.

1219
02:06:41,000 --> 02:06:49,000
But I think the idea is how do you also have folks prepared at the present board meeting to be able to respond to you in the public, so.

1220
02:06:49,000 --> 02:06:55,000
Again, these are just three options for your consideration, but the posting.

1221
02:06:55,000 --> 02:07:02,000
the thing that is most important, again, is just that the members of the public get the information at the same time as you all do, so that we can have no inadvertent.

1222
02:07:02,000 --> 02:07:04,000
Brown Act violation.

1223
02:07:06,000 --> 02:07:08,000
Yes.

1224
02:07:08,000 --> 02:07:11,000
Is there a difference between

1225
02:07:11,000 --> 02:07:15,000
questions from a presentation and action item questions

1226
02:07:15,000 --> 02:07:17,000
Yeah.

1227
02:07:17,000 --> 02:07:27,000
Action item questions. Yeah, sure, we maybe could provide those to you after we get the agenda, after we read it over the weekend, and you could be prepared with those answers when that action item comes up, because you'll know the questions

1228
02:07:31,000 --> 02:07:34,600
We asked you before the meeting

1229
02:07:36,000 --> 02:07:38,000
The presentation questions

1230
02:07:39,000 --> 02:07:49,000
We don't really know everything that's going to be in the presentation, and to me, that's where more of our questions come up, is during items that are being presented, not action items, but presentation items, and we want, you know, take a deeper dive in something

1231
02:07:52,000 --> 02:07:54,000
Yeah.

1232
02:07:55,000 --> 02:08:04,000
How did this affect that, or whatever? That's what I'm talking about when I say a placeholder, so we could go back to that presentation

1233
02:08:04,000 --> 02:08:08,000
And get that answered in public since those were asked in public

1234
02:08:08,000 --> 02:08:09,000
The other one

1235
02:08:09,000 --> 02:08:11,000
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's a great idea.

1236
02:08:11,000 --> 02:08:16,000
Yeah, I think it's easier if you have something coming up that's an action item

1237
02:08:16,000 --> 02:08:26,000
You have questions yeah the board has questions we can get those to you probably in enough time so you would have an answer for us at the meeting.

1238
02:08:26,000 --> 02:08:30,000
But it's just it's hard to get. You get lost in like

1239
02:08:30,000 --> 02:08:39,000
The presentation is like, I know somebody asked a question about this, and then the answer just goes into the ether and we never know what it is

1240
02:08:39,000 --> 02:08:45,000
That's what I'm talking about, the placeholder for that type of question, the presentation questions

1241
02:08:45,000 --> 02:08:47,000
Well, I guess

1242
02:08:47,000 --> 02:08:52,000
And maybe the word was less maybe not chosen, but

1243
02:08:52,000 --> 02:09:02,000
Respect. When I ask questions of a staff member, it's not a lack of respect for you. In fact, it's a big respect that I think you can answer that question because you're getting paid well and you do a good job and we have a great you know

1244
02:09:05,000 --> 02:09:13,000
Pretty awesome stuff here at SCO. So I don't see asking questions in the moment as a lack of respect. It's not a

1245
02:09:13,000 --> 02:09:23,000
Exactly. I mean, my dad worked for an office of education. He knew when his tech stuff was on there, his was in the seat, and he could answer the questions. He had his binders and books and whatever

1246
02:09:25,000 --> 02:09:27,000
And I grew up with that.

1247
02:09:27,000 --> 02:09:32,000
I don't mind asking questions ahead. I know in the past when I first started here

1248
02:09:32,000 --> 02:09:38,000
That was something that we were asked to, and it was used as a gotcha by staff.

1249
02:09:38,000 --> 02:09:47,000
And on occasion, I'd ask the question and policy would change in between, but they didn't mention until I think of in the moment

1250
02:09:47,000 --> 02:09:52,000
When was that policy enacted? Oh, we just did that two weeks ago.

1251
02:09:52,000 --> 02:09:56,000
Okay, so I mean it goes both ways.

1252
02:09:56,000 --> 02:10:06,000
And I would second Dana's timeline thing. I'm not sure because of the system, I know with Erica it's hard enough just to have that. We do the meeting

1253
02:10:07,000 --> 02:10:10,000
But not even two weeks before

1254
02:10:10,000 --> 02:10:16,000
Do that like a week and a half before the meeting on Monday, and then we try to post

1255
02:10:16,000 --> 02:10:25,000
By Wednesday, but no later than Friday and that, and sometimes it's all kind of coming together, so I'm not sure how I love the idea. I'd rather get a full

1256
02:10:25,000 --> 02:10:29,000
answer to a question that I don't see the logistically how

1257
02:10:29,000 --> 02:10:31,000
That necessarily happens

1258
02:10:31,000 --> 02:10:38,000
There might be some topics like the budget and LCAP, right? We get the budget goal ahead

1259
02:10:38,000 --> 02:10:44,000
So maybe that's in terms of sort of an interim step

1260
02:10:44,000 --> 02:10:50,000
Maybe that's one where we do this, right? We said it. So we get the budget. How many

1261
02:10:50,000 --> 02:10:52,000
Weeks ahead.

1262
02:10:52,000 --> 02:10:54,000
weeks ahead.

1263
02:10:54,000 --> 02:11:01,000
Not the Wednesday before the meeting right when I have when you know we have our jobs and everything else to deal with

1264
02:11:01,000 --> 02:11:07,000
And maybe we start with those ones that are really big that we know

1265
02:11:07,000 --> 02:11:13,000
about ahead of time that you can get us the what we're reviewing more ahead of time

1266
02:11:13,000 --> 02:11:18,000
Even the budget, I have to say, in the past

1267
02:11:18,000 --> 02:11:20,000
Not with your

1268
02:11:20,000 --> 02:11:28,000
Administration. But I'd ask, well, why don't you have these department heads butts in the seats so we can ask them the questions and know

1269
02:11:28,000 --> 02:11:32,000
They wouldn't show up. They wouldn't then

1270
02:11:32,000 --> 02:11:35,000
So that's always troubling to me.

1271
02:11:35,000 --> 02:11:45,000
With the budget, they do present the budget. They present it, and then the next meeting we take action right exactly and we also get the budget well enough that we agreed it in a human

1272
02:11:50,000 --> 02:11:57,000
craft intelligent question. There's a little bit for in this, right? So

1273
02:11:57,000 --> 02:12:07,000
And then get, you know, although if they keep doing it like they did it this pastel was really good. That was the easiest budget to read effort.

1274
02:12:10,000 --> 02:12:19,000
But looking at… so, for example, I'm looking at next month's calendar right in our our meeting is on the 14th. Is that correct?

1275
02:12:19,000 --> 02:12:24,400
October 14th. Yes, so we would expect to see

1276
02:12:26,000 --> 02:12:31,000
The agenda and and packet on what day normally

1277
02:12:31,000 --> 02:12:41,000
Sometimes it comes out Wednesday before we try for the seventh. Like, for example. Okay, September's didn't come out until today. So you guys got it on Thursday instead of Wednesday. Okay, but let's say it's the seventh grand

1278
02:12:48,000 --> 02:12:52,000
When would we need to ask you the questions, Maya?

1279
02:12:52,000 --> 02:13:01,000
I would say I normally review everything on a weekend, right? I mean, depending on my schedule.

1280
02:13:01,000 --> 02:13:04,000
But for those of us who have to be back at work

1281
02:13:04,000 --> 02:13:08,800
In my case, 10 am on Thursday, not 7am.

1282
02:13:11,000 --> 02:13:15,000
How do we accomplish reviewing that on the night of the 7th

1283
02:13:15,000 --> 02:13:25,000
Can I share Fairfield's timeline? Just because that's what we're basing this off of. I have an email from their executive assistant in the superintendent's office.

1284
02:13:25,000 --> 02:13:35,000
Their board meetings are on Thursdays and I'm not entirely sure when they receive their packet, but the board members have until noon the Tuesday before the meeting, which is on Thursday. So if we kept that same timeframe, we would say

1285
02:13:40,000 --> 02:13:46,000
Submit your questions by Monday at noon. That would be our same timeframe before the board meetings.

1286
02:13:46,000 --> 02:13:52,000
And then I believe that Fairfield then publishes the answers the day before the board meeting. So

1287
02:13:52,000 --> 02:13:59,000
We would ask for your questions by Monday at noon, and we would get them disseminated and published by

1288
02:13:59,000 --> 02:14:09,000
Tuesday afternoon, end of Tuesday, whatever, whatever was decided at that point. Seems like you guys are making it that's Fairfield's timeline. It was very helpful for me as a trustee. Sometimes

1289
02:14:11,000 --> 02:14:14,000
I know that you have experienced this

1290
02:14:14,000 --> 02:14:22,000
Packets are thick and you don't necessarily have time to review everything. But I would get those questions and I would see what my

1291
02:14:22,000 --> 02:14:32,000
Colleagues were asking, I would see which staff person answered the questions I would know. Okay, I know who that person is. I know that they would have the accurate information. And then I would walk into the meeting and I would feel like I had background information. I was

1292
02:14:37,000 --> 02:14:40,000
Able to hear the presentation.

1293
02:14:40,000 --> 02:14:50,000
Think of specific questions that I would have, and sometimes I would have a question and I was able to ask those questions during the board meeting. But it was asked in a way that I want this answer. We have this process. I know I'm going to get the answer

1294
02:14:55,000 --> 02:15:01,000
It's going to be thoroughly vetted and we're going to make sure that it's accurate. And

1295
02:15:01,000 --> 02:15:11,000
I might not get that answer at that particular moment, and it was understood. And it was just a system that we had in place and it was very impactful for me. And so when I started to look at what we were going to change and some things that we could adjust

1296
02:15:16,000 --> 02:15:21,000
To make it better here for questions and answers, I thought let's look at Fairfield

1297
02:15:21,000 --> 02:15:31,000
And then when I had the conversation with Michelle and she gave me some of the history and some of the things that they had, so I don't think that it started off the same way as it ended up. I think that they've had to tweak and change a couple of things

1298
02:15:34,000 --> 02:15:44,000
As time has gone on, but I felt like it was very impactful and I could see the questions from different individual trustees and I could see where they were going with their questions and I could understand

1299
02:15:46,000 --> 02:15:54,000
So you as a human family, are you able to review and give me support

1300
02:15:54,000 --> 02:16:02,000
Not every single time but I could and if I had a question that I didn't get

1301
02:16:02,000 --> 02:16:12,000
And asked, I could look at the list of questions and say, oh, they're asking the question that I was going to ask. So at least I would see that there was already an answer there. But not every single time, because sometimes things life happens, and you just can't get through every single packet.

1302
02:16:19,000 --> 02:16:23,000
I mean, we have a responsibility to review the entire fact.

1303
02:16:23,000 --> 02:16:29,000
100%. There's not a moment where we're not responsible for knowing what's in the vacuum

1304
02:16:29,000 --> 02:16:34,400
So it feels like a pretty substantial extra layer.

1305
02:16:35,000 --> 02:16:38,000
What we're discussing feels like a pretty substantial

1306
02:16:38,000 --> 02:16:48,000
I think what Michelle is proposing, slam dunk, let's do it, no question. I mean, how is the public gonna know? Yeah, that's perfect for those things where these answers are going to be provided

1307
02:16:49,000 --> 02:16:55,000
But I think it's a more fundamental change to our process.

1308
02:16:55,000 --> 02:16:59,800
May really have been considered and it deserves

1309
02:17:01,000 --> 02:17:03,000
Peggy.

1310
02:17:03,000 --> 02:17:05,000
All right.

1311
02:17:05,000 --> 02:17:10,000
I've served on a lot of boards and a lot of commissions in the city of Vallejo

1312
02:17:10,000 --> 02:17:12,400
And that process of

1313
02:17:14,000 --> 02:17:17,000
We reviewing, getting our questions in

1314
02:17:17,000 --> 02:17:24,000
All right, and get a copy of that who asked this question off the board. And if there were any public

1315
02:17:24,000 --> 02:17:34,000
people in the public that were asking questions, those would also be addressed, and there are times when actually the meeting starts at 6, and at 5 o'clock we got something else from the public with an answer

1316
02:17:40,000 --> 02:17:45,000
That's the supplements to the agenda. But for us

1317
02:17:45,000 --> 02:17:53,000
We have a fiduciary responsibility. Yes, we work, but we took on this when we took this position

1318
02:17:53,000 --> 02:17:57,000
All of us basically do something, but it behooves us

1319
02:17:57,000 --> 02:18:07,000
to represent our constituents and the school, the students. They're going to be the ones that are going to get the benefit of this, is that we do have to take that time. Yes, Peggy. I'm not asking

1320
02:18:13,000 --> 02:18:19,000
I'm not asking for a rebutal. I am making a statement.

1321
02:18:19,000 --> 02:18:20,000
And I'm making a statement

1322
02:18:20,000 --> 02:18:30,000
based on how I see that that's done and I don't need anybody to debate what my statement is because I don't debate other people's statement

1323
02:18:32,000 --> 02:18:42,000
I'm saying that system of board members presenting their questions. And then those questions are answered and we all get a copy of that. And if there's any questions that the public presents

1324
02:18:47,000 --> 02:18:56,000
They answer their questions and we get a copy of that also. So when the meeting comes on Wednesday or Thursday, whenever it is

1325
02:18:56,000 --> 02:19:06,000
We've got a list of who asked what questions, what the answers were for the commission, the board or whatever you're going to call it, and the public as well

1326
02:19:07,000 --> 02:19:17,000
So that can be a way that we can do that. Not always the issues are that, let's say intense that we have to put in extra hours in what we do, but there are times when we have to do that

1327
02:19:23,000 --> 02:19:33,000
But that's a good way to do because we do that. The boards in Vallejo do that, and I can attest to that. That's nothing new. So couldn't we try both? Couldn't we have this as an option? People could submit their questions by Monday at noon. We could run it by, you'll post it

1328
02:19:39,000 --> 02:19:49,000
People that questions come up in the meeting. We have that a new agenda item where we have the future that we answer the questions from them and we can we don't I mean people can decide to pull it off consents and have the question read or it can be

1329
02:19:56,000 --> 02:20:06,000
A document in there or pull people in however we want to do it. Because we can try both. I mean, that way, whichever works best for whoever. If you are freewheeling with questions ahead of the thing, rock on. If you're not, ask them. And then the third part is we are

1330
02:20:11,000 --> 02:20:15,800
Entitled to and responsible for asking questions during

1331
02:20:17,000 --> 02:20:25,000
My staff has to answer. Presentations is different. I agree. But these big decisions that we make

1332
02:20:25,000 --> 02:20:30,400
as our fiduciary obligation, which I take incredibly seriously.

1333
02:20:31,000 --> 02:20:33,000
Causes us to

1334
02:20:34,000 --> 02:20:39,000
No, there are going to be some questions that you have to answer in the moment.

1335
02:20:39,000 --> 02:20:41,000
And be ready for that

1336
02:20:41,000 --> 02:20:50,000
And sure, I understand being nervous in front when you have to answer questions like that. But there are different buckets here.

1337
02:20:50,000 --> 02:20:56,000
I think it's a great idea to do the presentation questions in the agenda, the next agenda.

1338
02:20:56,000 --> 02:21:04,000
I think it's irresponsible to expect trustees to do work late into the night

1339
02:21:04,000 --> 02:21:07,000
In a brand new system

1340
02:21:07,000 --> 02:21:17,000
result in our best effort. I don't I just don't think that's real. So the timing is such that we can do that over the weekend or through the normal course

1341
02:21:18,000 --> 02:21:27,000
And we just tweak it a little bit. That kind of makes sense. I also, looking at Courtney, I have some concerns about the legalities around this, and I'm hoping you're going to speak to that

1342
02:21:27,000 --> 02:21:34,000
I mean, as I mentioned, the biggest thing is making sure that trust, like, as soon as trustees are asking questions.

1343
02:21:34,000 --> 02:21:37,000
And that information is being.

1344
02:21:37,000 --> 02:21:41,000
shared back to the trustees, that's where we have a Brown Act issue.

1345
02:21:41,000 --> 02:21:46,000
And so that's why the most important thing is, as soon as that information is being.

1346
02:21:46,000 --> 02:21:54,000
disseminated back, that it is also being made available to the public at the same time. So that's the most significant concern that we have from a legality.

1347
02:21:54,000 --> 02:22:01,000
In terms of, you know, asking the questions, the one way to staff, that is okay.

1348
02:22:01,000 --> 02:22:04,000
It's the how does it get back out, that's the problem.

1349
02:22:04,000 --> 02:22:14,000
But we need to make sure we contemplate for in terms of how does that information get disseminated.

1350
02:22:16,000 --> 02:22:26,000
The problem that we're trying to solve here is making sure information gets out to the public in a timely fashion. And so pre-positioning the questions is a huge

1351
02:22:30,000 --> 02:22:31,000
Step

1352
02:22:31,000 --> 02:22:41,000
For staff to be prepared to do that and so yes, we have a highly skilled staff, but nobody wants to be

1353
02:22:41,000 --> 02:22:51,000
Caught off guard. And so if we have the opportunity to share questions ahead of time, you know, we can maybe think of it in terms of the same way

1354
02:22:52,000 --> 02:23:00,000
Elena was looking at their 1%. It's aspirational that we are doing the best we can with the

1355
02:23:00,000 --> 02:23:07,800
With a thought towards kindness to staff and understanding that everybody's busy.

1356
02:23:09,000 --> 02:23:19,000
But the goal is to get the information to the public in a timely fashion. And if we keep that in mind, then we can kind of work along this and and see what

1357
02:23:22,000 --> 02:23:29,000
What we can get to in terms of solving that problem without creating more on the side.

1358
02:23:29,000 --> 02:23:37,000
Yeah, I don't think it has to be an all or nothing or just a one way. I think it can be a two-pronged approach.

1359
02:23:37,000 --> 02:23:47,000
Like I said, you have agenda questions, and then you have presentation questions. Presentation questions can be taken care of at the next meeting. The agenda questions, if you can get them in by Monday at noon.

1360
02:23:49,000 --> 02:23:52,000
They should be able to be answered at the meeting.

1361
02:23:52,000 --> 02:23:57,000
So I think it's a two-pronged approach to start out

1362
02:23:57,000 --> 02:24:01,000
you know, balance out both types of questions

1363
02:24:01,000 --> 02:24:08,800
And give staff and trustees enough time to answer them and digest them

1364
02:24:13,000 --> 02:24:19,000
So we're putting this on for Courtney to bake

1365
02:24:20,000 --> 02:24:29,000
make this something that we're how we're going to do this? Is that what this is all about? We presented what it is we want.

1366
02:24:29,000 --> 02:24:31,000
So

1367
02:24:31,000 --> 02:24:34,600
You were very clear, Trustee Coleman

1368
02:24:35,000 --> 02:24:45,000
that presentation questions, which are different than agenda questions. So do we make that kind of stipulation? Do you do that or how do we do that

1369
02:24:47,000 --> 02:24:50,000
To make that going forward

1370
02:24:50,000 --> 02:24:51,000
answers.

1371
02:24:51,000 --> 02:25:01,000
So yeah, I'm not deciding anything because this is a matter of, you know, your preference as the trustees and obviously Dr. Pars, you know, desire to implement some sort of program. So I'm not making any decisions. I'm here to talk through your options.

1372
02:25:05,000 --> 02:25:07,000
Um, but what I am hearing is…

1373
02:25:07,000 --> 02:25:12,000
two things. First and foremost is having a standing agenda item.

1374
02:25:12,000 --> 02:25:20,000
to respond to questions. Non-action item questions, but presentation questions at the subsequent meeting to the extent, you know.

1375
02:25:20,000 --> 02:25:23,000
folks are not able to answer it at the, for example, at the.

1376
02:25:23,000 --> 02:25:28,000
Meeting next week if something comes up on a presentation question that an action item.

1377
02:25:28,000 --> 02:25:33,000
You can have a standing item for the next October meeting for those questions to be answered.

1378
02:25:33,000 --> 02:25:37,000
Um, but I'm also hearing that there is a desire.

1379
02:25:37,000 --> 02:25:42,000
And I almost see of it as like a let's just, you know, it's a startup, let's give it a go.

1380
02:25:42,000 --> 02:25:44,000
And maybe for the next meeting.

1381
02:25:44,000 --> 02:25:54,000
If folks want to submit questions ahead of time, that they can go ahead and do so. I don't think there's any action items. I know I just looked at it. Um, I don't think there's any action items, I don't know if anybody can speak to that quickly.

1382
02:25:57,000 --> 02:26:00,000
For the next one, other than consent, obviously.

1383
02:26:00,000 --> 02:26:08,000
But that moving forward, there is a desire to ask questions ahead of time to the extent you are able to, staff can.

1384
02:26:08,000 --> 02:26:18,000
Respond to those. I think what I need to know is, how would you like that information disseminated? Do we want to supplement? I think I heard most folks talking about something being posted.

1385
02:26:19,000 --> 02:26:21,000
As opposed to just being verbally.

1386
02:26:21,000 --> 02:26:25,000
communicated to trustees at the meeting? Is there any sort of…

1387
02:26:25,000 --> 02:26:29,000
Consensus on that process, and I think this is also a.

1388
02:26:29,000 --> 02:26:33,000
Work in progress, so just cause you say something today, I think we need to.

1389
02:26:33,000 --> 02:26:36,000
see how… feel it out and see how it goes.

1390
02:26:36,000 --> 02:26:40,000
And maybe have follow-up discussions on this.

1391
02:26:40,000 --> 02:26:43,000
Personally, I like option number three.

1392
02:26:43,000 --> 02:26:44,000
Okay.

1393
02:26:44,000 --> 02:26:51,000
answers and have copies available for trustees and public at the board meeting.

1394
02:26:51,000 --> 02:26:55,000
Personally, I like to. I'd rather get an F.

1395
02:26:55,000 --> 02:26:59,000
I've asked in my head, I'd rather get on my head

1396
02:26:59,000 --> 02:27:00,000
Okay, other…

1397
02:27:00,000 --> 02:27:03,000
I don't always have time right before the

1398
02:27:03,000 --> 02:27:13,000
coming up if we've got a closed session at 5 meeting starts at 6. If that's sitting at our at the dais and the closed hearing goes till 6, I never get a chance to look at them and I can't read during the network meeting

1399
02:27:18,000 --> 02:27:22,000
I'd rather see him before personally.

1400
02:27:22,000 --> 02:27:23,000
Maybe you could do both.

1401
02:27:23,000 --> 02:27:31,000
Well, yeah, I mean, so you can do both. So I guess this is a question for staff, and I know, Erica, you kind of provided the Fairfields timeline.

1402
02:27:31,000 --> 02:27:36,000
Uh, and so is there a general agreement, so if meetings are on Wednesday.

1403
02:27:36,000 --> 02:27:41,000
that the ambition, uh, Trustee LaValle, I like the way you phrased that, is.

1404
02:27:41,000 --> 02:27:51,000
Monday noon, try and provide the questions, is that enough time for staff? I think we needed to hear from staff in terms of what's reasonable for you all. And again, maybe the answer is.

1405
02:27:51,000 --> 02:27:55,800
We need to see and play it out.

1406
02:27:56,000 --> 02:27:59,000
Maybe open to making adjustments

1407
02:28:02,000 --> 02:28:08,000
Because if it doesn't feel right. If it takes too long, it's too cumbersome, then we adjust

1408
02:28:08,000 --> 02:28:09,000
And this won't be it

1409
02:28:09,000 --> 02:28:11,000
Okay.

1410
02:28:11,000 --> 02:28:15,000
We won't have all those deep dives

1411
02:28:15,000 --> 02:28:18,600
Questions. At every single meeting, so

1412
02:28:19,000 --> 02:28:21,000
Okay, if I could

1413
02:28:21,000 --> 02:28:30,000
I do think there's an issue around public process in terms of not only are we humans, but the public

1414
02:28:30,000 --> 02:28:33,000
is full of humans too

1415
02:28:33,000 --> 02:28:36,600
Not all, not everyone is human.

1416
02:28:38,000 --> 02:28:47,000
So just based on, you know how things work in the world of public government

1417
02:28:47,000 --> 02:28:53,000
I would say that at a minimum, we should give 24 hours notice

1418
02:28:53,000 --> 02:29:01,000
It's not that we're required to by law, but there's a point to the 24 hours, right? So someone's interested in a particular topic

1419
02:29:01,000 --> 02:29:11,000
There's a response to the question. So if we're having a meeting Wednesday night, if we're going to produce a new document for the public, it seems at least we could do is do it to give them 24 hours

1420
02:29:14,000 --> 02:29:24,000
If you don't mind me saying just because it's published doesn't preclude us from asking the questions during the meeting they'd still be getting the information in the timeframe that. Yes, but they're

1421
02:29:28,000 --> 02:29:30,000
Yes, they are, but it

1422
02:29:30,000 --> 02:29:40,000
Outside of this process, that's the format that they're receiving the information. Is during the meeting live they're getting, we're asking the questions and we're getting the answers

1423
02:29:41,000 --> 02:29:48,000
and the public's hearing it. So we're talking about, you know, having a timeframe for a posted

1424
02:29:48,000 --> 02:29:58,000
document that is changing the timeframe that they're receiving the information. So I think that that puts a level of burden on staff that

1425
02:29:59,000 --> 02:30:04,000
It doesn't need to be there. But then we're losing half of the benefit

1426
02:30:04,000 --> 02:30:06,000
or a portion of the benefit.

1427
02:30:06,000 --> 02:30:14,000
So if the purpose, what is, I guess we're going back to what is the purpose? If the purpose is to inform, better inform the public

1428
02:30:14,000 --> 02:30:20,000
Then giving them a document at 6 Pm. Doesn't do a great job

1429
02:30:20,000 --> 02:30:30,000
6 p.m. the night prior? Yeah, that's… yeah, yeah, that's the 24 hours I'm talking about. Yeah, so… but what I'm saying is that's in addition to whatever they'll receive the night of

1430
02:30:30,000 --> 02:30:35,000
So now they've they've got the opportunity to access this online

1431
02:30:35,000 --> 02:30:39,000
and they've got the opportunity to hear it live in meeting

1432
02:30:39,000 --> 02:30:48,000
So are you going to re-ask the questions that you put in that staff has asked in the written document? I'm saying it doesn't preclude you from doing that

1433
02:30:48,000 --> 02:30:58,000
As I amended supplement, and they just read the amended supplement. And if there's anything beyond that, then that comes up and they'll submit those

1434
02:31:03,000 --> 02:31:05,000
Additional questions. And

1435
02:31:07,000 --> 02:31:14,000
That's when you can deal with if we're going to get it right out now, or if that comes out at the next meeting.

1436
02:31:14,000 --> 02:31:17,000
I guess, so I guess this is my awkward way of saying

1437
02:31:17,000 --> 02:31:19,000
Option 2.

1438
02:31:19,000 --> 02:31:21,000
Okay

1439
02:31:21,000 --> 02:31:29,000
Michelle, I just want to add because I think it'll help. I don't have a problem with the 24 hours. I think it makes sense.

1440
02:31:29,000 --> 02:31:38,000
We became trained when we were at Fairfield Suisuns. And we knew when those questions would come. We knew they're going to come around that day on that deadline.

1441
02:31:38,000 --> 02:31:48,000
that times we were waiting for some of us even adjusted our calendars so we would free up time so we could turn them around as quickly as possible. And I think that's what we would do.

1442
02:31:49,000 --> 02:31:54,000
So, if you want them available to the public 24 hours before

1443
02:31:54,000 --> 02:31:59,000
I think that's doable, because we will adjust to make sure we meet that deadline.

1444
02:31:59,000 --> 02:32:07,000
The questions aren't that they're so particularly hard. It's just we need time to confer with staff

1445
02:32:07,000 --> 02:32:11,000
Double check with our superintendent. Make sure we're, you know

1446
02:32:11,000 --> 02:32:20,000
Phrasing it correctly, making sure we understand what you're asking. Sometimes she has more information than than we have from just the question alone.

1447
02:32:20,000 --> 02:32:25,000
We're just trying to get you the answers in the best way possible, and we also want to do it as legally as

1448
02:32:25,000 --> 02:32:30,400
We need to establish a process, and you would

1449
02:32:31,000 --> 02:32:41,000
Superintendent has already laid that process out. You've supported it. She supported it. Now that's the process that we'll use and we'll tweak it as we go.

1450
02:32:41,000 --> 02:32:43,400
At least questions to

1451
02:32:45,000 --> 02:32:47,000
Okay, so Erica

1452
02:33:03,000 --> 02:33:13,000
The pack is out on Wednesday. Question is due by Monday noon. Each individual trustee to send an individual communication. If you want to. Responses in writing published and out to the trustees

1453
02:33:20,000 --> 02:33:22,000
Tuesday at 6.

1454
02:33:24,000 --> 02:33:28,000
And it's going to include who asked the question and who's answering the questions

1455
02:33:28,000 --> 02:33:30,000
Gives us a day and a half

1456
02:33:30,000 --> 02:33:40,000
I think that's doable because she could print off the addendum and just put it there, right? The addendum will be with the agenda.

1457
02:33:42,000 --> 02:33:52,000
Yes, we would, you know, if you guys choose option two, then we would also post it as a supplemental, so it would show up on the there would be the regular agenda, and then there would be a supplemental to the agenda, which would also be posted on the kiosk outside. So it would very clearly state that something has been added

1458
02:33:58,000 --> 02:34:08,000
For transparency, it would be very clear. She was asking if it would be printed as well, sitting at her seat. That's what you guys want. Yeah, I get mine.

1459
02:34:08,000 --> 02:34:09,000
I got your back.

1460
02:34:09,000 --> 02:34:11,000
I have a very technical question.

1461
02:34:11,000 --> 02:34:21,000
Who… where do you want the questions to go? The one-way communications, obviously no other trustees are included on that. Is that to Erica, or how… and you don't have to decide now, but staff, is there a best…

1462
02:34:22,000 --> 02:34:25,600
person for those to go to.

1463
02:34:26,000 --> 02:34:27,000
It's Erica. Yeah, I asked the same question.

1464
02:34:27,000 --> 02:34:29,000
Okay.

1465
02:34:29,000 --> 02:34:32,000
Okay, oh, sorry, I'm messing on here. Okay.

1466
02:34:32,000 --> 02:34:34,000
Anything else?

1467
02:34:34,000 --> 02:34:36,000
On this topic.

1468
02:34:38,000 --> 02:34:39,000
Can I add

1469
02:34:39,000 --> 02:34:40,000
Okay, that's all I have for you.

1470
02:34:40,000 --> 02:34:42,000
Yes.

1471
02:34:43,000 --> 02:34:49,000
Erica are we starting this for September or are we going to try it in October?

1472
02:34:49,000 --> 02:34:53,000
If we are implementing this, when are we doing so? Let's get

1473
02:34:53,000 --> 02:35:03,000
If staff is okay, let's give it a dry run September. It's an easy agenda. You just got the agenda today. Never mind. October. What is his conference

1474
02:35:10,000 --> 02:35:13,000
And whatever questions we have

1475
02:35:15,000 --> 02:35:23,000
If we know them in advance, we send them on and they're available to staff ahead of time, but there's no then post them

1476
02:35:23,000 --> 02:35:29,000
And so just with the knowledge that these are the topics pending and will probably be

1477
02:35:29,000 --> 02:35:39,000
be asked at the meeting this is Thursday night and Monday's holiday Monday I'm I'm willing to wait till October also I'm going to suggest that in the future sometime whether we're having a

1478
02:35:45,000 --> 02:35:55,000
One of these workshops. We need to just like Vallejo City Unified needs to revisit what they've done and do some observe some learnings. We should come back

1479
02:35:57,000 --> 02:36:00,000
And see how it's working

1480
02:36:00,000 --> 02:36:10,000
We have another study session in the spring, so… Yeah, yeah, okay. We can follow up, like, how did the process work, and

1481
02:36:15,000 --> 02:36:20,000
Well, the process is alive. It's live. It's not static

1482
02:36:20,000 --> 02:36:21,000
Anything else, Courtney?

1483
02:36:21,000 --> 02:36:25,000
None for me. Thank you so much!

1484
02:36:25,000 --> 02:36:28,000
Day 36 and I adjourn this meeting.

1485
02:36:28,000 --> 02:36:31,000
I'll see you all