1 00:04:55,815 --> 00:04:56,105 Okay. 2 00:04:56,375 --> 00:04:58,585 Good evening and welcome to the regular meeting 3 00:04:58,605 --> 00:05:01,065 of the Design Review Committee on Thursday, 4 00:05:01,545 --> 00:05:03,545 December 18th, 2025. 5 00:05:03,905 --> 00:05:08,745 I now call the meeting to order at 5:00 PM Um, 6 00:05:09,215 --> 00:05:12,305 Lisa, roll call, vote please. Member 7 00:05:12,305 --> 00:05:13,425 Melissa Bates. 8 00:05:13,735 --> 00:05:17,385 Present. Member Goetz. Here. Member Johnson. Here. 9 00:05:17,535 --> 00:05:18,825 Vice Chair Boyd. Here. 10 00:05:19,195 --> 00:05:21,945 Chair Esther Jacobson Bates here. Thank you. 11 00:05:22,375 --> 00:05:24,505 Okay. We're gonna start with the Pledge of Allegiance. 12 00:05:24,805 --> 00:05:27,865 Um, Melissa, please lead us 13 00:05:28,675 --> 00:05:29,675 Stand. Please stand 14 00:05:29,675 --> 00:05:30,465 as you are able. 15 00:05:32,685 --> 00:05:34,685 I pledge allegiance to flag 16 00:05:35,025 --> 00:05:36,645 of the United States of America 17 00:05:37,225 --> 00:05:39,685 and to the Republic for which it stands. 18 00:05:40,305 --> 00:05:44,085 One Nation under God, individual with liberty 19 00:05:44,505 --> 00:05:45,565 and justice for all. 20 00:05:53,315 --> 00:05:56,525 Okay. Um, can I have a motion to approve the order 21 00:05:56,625 --> 00:05:58,325 of the agenda as presented? 22 00:05:59,645 --> 00:06:03,045 I so move. Do I have second? I second. 23 00:06:04,065 --> 00:06:06,285 Um, having heard a motion, I second 24 00:06:06,305 --> 00:06:07,845 to approve the order of the agenda. 25 00:06:08,075 --> 00:06:09,685 Lisa, roll call, vote please. 26 00:06:10,105 --> 00:06:12,685 Member Melissa Bates, approve. Member Goetz approved. 27 00:06:12,705 --> 00:06:16,045 Member Johnson approved Vice Chair Boyd approve 28 00:06:16,255 --> 00:06:17,685 Chair Esther Jacobson Bates 29 00:06:18,125 --> 00:06:19,125 Approved. Thank you. 30 00:06:19,125 --> 00:06:20,805 Okay. Consent items. 31 00:06:21,915 --> 00:06:23,885 Lisa, will you please introduce them? 32 00:06:24,495 --> 00:06:26,525 Items on consent are typically routine 33 00:06:26,545 --> 00:06:27,885 and will be approved in one motion. 34 00:06:27,985 --> 00:06:29,525 The chair will call on anyone wishing 35 00:06:29,525 --> 00:06:32,085 to address the committee on any consent item on the agenda, 36 00:06:32,335 --> 00:06:34,205 which has not been pulled by the committee. 37 00:06:34,265 --> 00:06:36,645 For discussion, each speaker will be permitted 38 00:06:36,645 --> 00:06:38,565 to speak only once, and comments will be limited 39 00:06:38,625 --> 00:06:39,685 to a total of three minutes. 40 00:06:41,755 --> 00:06:43,205 Okay. We're gonna start with, uh, 41 00:06:43,205 --> 00:06:44,965 in-person public comment first. 42 00:06:45,315 --> 00:06:48,645 Anybody in the room? This is, um, items on the, 43 00:06:48,905 --> 00:06:51,285 uh, consent agenda. 44 00:06:53,515 --> 00:06:55,885 Anybody on Zoom? Okay. 45 00:06:56,465 --> 00:06:57,485 Um, committee members, 46 00:06:57,555 --> 00:06:59,925 anybody have any items they would like to pull? 47 00:07:01,665 --> 00:07:04,925 Uh, I do, I am going to ask that we pull, just 48 00:07:04,925 --> 00:07:09,085 for clarification on item two, 49 00:07:11,115 --> 00:07:13,405 well, actually two A and B, please. 50 00:07:18,395 --> 00:07:22,445 Okay. So now we're gonna go back to these consent items 51 00:07:22,905 --> 00:07:25,525 and um, we're gonna go to item 52 00:07:27,425 --> 00:07:28,565 two A. 53 00:07:29,545 --> 00:07:31,165 Um, Lisa, would you like to introduce 54 00:07:31,165 --> 00:07:32,365 that just real quickly or 55 00:07:33,635 --> 00:07:36,165 Approve a sign permit for a proposed projecting sign 56 00:07:36,165 --> 00:07:39,085 and window sign located at 1693 Mission Drive, 57 00:07:39,095 --> 00:07:43,045 suite C one A PN 1 3 9 1 4 3 0 2 5. 58 00:07:43,425 --> 00:07:45,965 The proposed project is categorically exempt from csa 59 00:07:45,965 --> 00:07:47,125 and the applicant is here. 60 00:07:48,265 --> 00:07:50,405 So I'm the one that asked to have this pulled. 61 00:07:50,625 --> 00:07:52,165 My quick question has to do 62 00:07:52,165 --> 00:07:53,725 with the proposed window lettering. 63 00:07:54,445 --> 00:07:58,725 I see in the diagram here that the window, um, black, 64 00:07:58,825 --> 00:08:00,805 you know, sign has a white background. 65 00:08:00,865 --> 00:08:02,845 Is that just the way it's just high? 66 00:08:03,195 --> 00:08:05,845 Well, you come up to the microphone and yeah, 67 00:08:06,865 --> 00:08:08,005 I'm not tech savvy, so 68 00:08:08,005 --> 00:08:09,205 that's just the way I could make it happen 69 00:08:09,265 --> 00:08:10,365 for you guys to get an idea. 70 00:08:10,475 --> 00:08:12,365 Yeah. Apologies. I just, I was trying 71 00:08:12,365 --> 00:08:14,645 to delete the background, but I, I couldn't get it to work. 72 00:08:15,145 --> 00:08:17,285 No problem. That was my assumption, 73 00:08:17,625 --> 00:08:20,725 but I didn't wanna go with that, so, um, it'd just 74 00:08:20,725 --> 00:08:22,005 Be floating on the class. Yeah. 75 00:08:22,005 --> 00:08:23,165 Perfect. Clear back. 76 00:08:23,165 --> 00:08:27,445 Yeah, black shows up and the rest of it is just the glass. 77 00:08:27,615 --> 00:08:29,445 Thank you for clarifying. Of course. 78 00:08:29,595 --> 00:08:32,685 Anybody else have any questions? Okay. 79 00:08:32,715 --> 00:08:35,765 Then we'll take a motion, um, to, um, 80 00:08:36,075 --> 00:08:38,125 approve item one A. 81 00:08:40,345 --> 00:08:44,485 Excuse me. Item two A I move to approve. 82 00:08:46,035 --> 00:08:50,245 I'll second. Okay. Um, we've got approval in a second. 83 00:08:50,315 --> 00:08:51,765 Lisa, roll call vote please. 84 00:08:52,745 --> 00:08:55,965 Member Melissa Bates, approve. Member Goetz approved. 85 00:08:55,985 --> 00:08:59,165 Member Johnson approved Vice Chair Boyd approved chair. 86 00:08:59,365 --> 00:09:01,325 Esther Jacobson Bates approved. Thank 87 00:09:01,325 --> 00:09:02,325 You. Thank you for clarification. 88 00:09:02,325 --> 00:09:02,925 89 00:09:03,585 --> 00:09:07,165 Um, moving on to consent item two, which is, um, uh, Lisa, 90 00:09:07,265 --> 00:09:09,725 do you wish to, um, introduce that as well? 91 00:09:11,575 --> 00:09:16,405 Thank you. The schedule 92 00:09:20,885 --> 00:09:23,725 Approved 2026 design review committee meeting schedule. 93 00:09:27,835 --> 00:09:30,765 Okay. I had a, a question on the schedule, um, 94 00:09:30,865 --> 00:09:34,325 and it looks like maybe I see something on Jennifer's too. 95 00:09:34,705 --> 00:09:36,925 Um, my question is, I do have 96 00:09:37,795 --> 00:09:40,245 potential conflict on the January 15th 97 00:09:40,345 --> 00:09:41,725 and when I looked at that date, 98 00:09:41,885 --> 00:09:44,605 I was also wondering if this might be a time to 99 00:09:45,405 --> 00:09:47,085 postpone a meet the meeting a week simply 100 00:09:47,085 --> 00:09:48,965 because of it being so early in the new year 101 00:09:48,965 --> 00:09:51,245 and allowing more time for staff to prepare. 102 00:09:52,065 --> 00:09:53,845 So, short answer is, it is codified 103 00:09:53,845 --> 00:09:55,165 that the meeting does happen on 104 00:09:55,165 --> 00:09:56,205 the third Thursdays of the month. 105 00:09:56,345 --> 00:09:58,605 We are actually being fully prepared for the next meeting 106 00:09:58,625 --> 00:10:01,205 as we have items that we shoved off from this meeting 107 00:10:01,305 --> 00:10:02,485 to go to the next meeting. 108 00:10:02,785 --> 00:10:06,645 So, um, if we have a quorum, which I'm assuming most 109 00:10:06,645 --> 00:10:10,045 of you will be here for that, then we will, should be able 110 00:10:10,045 --> 00:10:12,005 to move forward, um, with that meeting. 111 00:10:12,265 --> 00:10:14,325 And if we don't, we'll address that at a later date. 112 00:10:14,465 --> 00:10:16,365 Are there any other dates that's correct, that are, are 113 00:10:16,365 --> 00:10:19,125 of concern of note to anybody at this point? 114 00:10:19,385 --> 00:10:21,685 The only date that I will not be able 115 00:10:21,685 --> 00:10:25,605 to attend is the September 17th, as I will be 116 00:10:26,475 --> 00:10:27,845 setting up for Danish day, 117 00:10:27,845 --> 00:10:29,285 Danish day's high gear. Yeah. 118 00:10:29,475 --> 00:10:31,085 Yeah. So very, so very similar. 119 00:10:31,265 --> 00:10:32,845 If, if you can't make it, just let us know. 120 00:10:33,345 --> 00:10:37,885 Um, full disclosure, the June 18th date for me, um, I, 121 00:10:38,165 --> 00:10:40,445 I will be available if I have to be available, 122 00:10:40,585 --> 00:10:42,765 but I will be nine hours ahead of y'all, so, well, 123 00:10:43,155 --> 00:10:44,155 Alright. And June 18th 124 00:10:44,155 --> 00:10:46,645 I will be two hours ahead of you. 125 00:10:46,785 --> 00:10:48,885 Oh. So 126 00:10:48,885 --> 00:10:50,645 We'll, we'll as we go. 127 00:10:50,785 --> 00:10:54,805 Uh, so knowing that you know myself and, and, uh, 128 00:10:55,105 --> 00:10:58,285 and you would more than likely be out, um, again, 129 00:10:58,435 --> 00:11:00,325 very similar to what happened when I first started here. 130 00:11:00,325 --> 00:11:03,885 We had about, we sandbagged 2D RC meetings due to staff, uh, 131 00:11:03,915 --> 00:11:05,205 outages and vacations. 132 00:11:05,705 --> 00:11:10,205 Um, we, we may have to do that or we may move it, um, simply 133 00:11:10,205 --> 00:11:13,405 because, uh, we will be playing musical chairs 134 00:11:13,545 --> 00:11:15,285 for city staff over the summer. 135 00:11:15,785 --> 00:11:19,045 Um, so as we have, uh, folks coming off vacation 136 00:11:19,065 --> 00:11:21,405 and then folks that are, uh, going on, um, 137 00:11:21,515 --> 00:11:23,405 potential long-term leave, so. 138 00:11:24,075 --> 00:11:25,605 Alright, sounds good. Thank you. 139 00:11:26,125 --> 00:11:28,565 Esther. I probably won't be able to attend the 15th, 140 00:11:28,665 --> 00:11:30,005 the January 15th meeting. 141 00:11:30,315 --> 00:11:32,445 Okay. And that's the one that's kind of sketchy 142 00:11:32,445 --> 00:11:33,485 for me. So, um, we are 143 00:11:33,535 --> 00:11:35,205 Still contemplating it being on the 144 00:11:35,205 --> 00:11:36,205 15th. Well, unless 145 00:11:36,205 --> 00:11:37,205 there's not a quorum, 146 00:11:37,205 --> 00:11:39,085 but I think at this point we approve this schedule 147 00:11:39,265 --> 00:11:41,765 and then if necessary we revisit that that 148 00:11:41,965 --> 00:11:42,965 Is correct. So again, 149 00:11:42,965 --> 00:11:46,845 if, if, uh, if with let's, my recommendation is 150 00:11:46,845 --> 00:11:49,725 to approve the schedule as is, um, we will, uh, 151 00:11:49,725 --> 00:11:52,605 we'll revisit after holidays, uh, the quorum as, as I said, 152 00:11:52,605 --> 00:11:55,565 we do have an item already, uh, queued up for that meeting. 153 00:11:56,145 --> 00:11:58,365 Um, and so we'll, we'll do a separate poll 154 00:11:58,385 --> 00:12:00,725 and if we have to, we, we will special meeting it, so. 155 00:12:00,835 --> 00:12:02,405 Okay. But at the preference is 156 00:12:02,405 --> 00:12:03,805 to keep the schedule as is. Yep. 157 00:12:04,075 --> 00:12:05,725 Okay. So I think that that kind of stands 158 00:12:05,865 --> 00:12:07,005 for all the future meetings. 159 00:12:07,005 --> 00:12:10,285 And, and with that, um, I'd like to request just 160 00:12:10,285 --> 00:12:12,245 that staff send an email 161 00:12:12,425 --> 00:12:14,885 and maybe do this on a regular basis, you know, 162 00:12:14,885 --> 00:12:17,245 several weeks before the meeting just to confirm attendance. 163 00:12:17,305 --> 00:12:19,645 Mm-hmm. With that said, encouraging everybody, 164 00:12:19,665 --> 00:12:22,925 if you know you can't make a meeting, let, let us know 165 00:12:22,945 --> 00:12:25,765 as early as possible because that helps with preparation. 166 00:12:26,185 --> 00:12:28,365 So all that said, do I have a motion 167 00:12:28,465 --> 00:12:32,165 to approve the 2026 meeting calendar as presented? 168 00:12:33,885 --> 00:12:36,635 I motion to approve I second 169 00:12:37,585 --> 00:12:39,115 Lisa, roll call, vote please. 170 00:12:40,375 --> 00:12:42,915 Member Melissa Bates. Approved Member Goetz. 171 00:12:43,475 --> 00:12:45,635 Approved Member Johnson approved Vice Chair 172 00:12:45,635 --> 00:12:46,875 Boyd approved Chair. 173 00:12:46,995 --> 00:12:49,395 Esther Jacobson Bates approved. Thank you. 174 00:12:50,145 --> 00:12:51,195 Okay, we're gonna move on 175 00:12:51,215 --> 00:12:53,635 to public communications non agenda. 176 00:12:54,575 --> 00:12:58,075 Um, and I, at this point, there's nobody in the room 177 00:12:58,175 --> 00:13:00,555 and nobody, uh, that our attorney on Zoom, 178 00:13:00,835 --> 00:13:03,515 I don't think it's required that we do an introduction given 179 00:13:03,585 --> 00:13:06,555 that, um, such that being the case. 180 00:13:08,705 --> 00:13:11,195 Then we're going to move on to 181 00:13:12,485 --> 00:13:14,835 discussion item four A. 182 00:13:15,455 --> 00:13:18,595 Um, Lisa, will you go ahead 183 00:13:18,595 --> 00:13:20,275 and introduce discussion on possible 184 00:13:20,275 --> 00:13:21,475 action on the sign permit here? 185 00:13:22,125 --> 00:13:24,995 Discussion and pop possible action for a signed permit 186 00:13:25,065 --> 00:13:26,355 with a sign exception 187 00:13:26,855 --> 00:13:31,355 for application PA 2 5 0 5 2 located at 1665 188 00:13:31,375 --> 00:13:33,115 for Avenue apn. 189 00:13:33,115 --> 00:13:36,795 1, 3 9, 1 4, 3, 2, 1 for two wall signs. 190 00:13:36,935 --> 00:13:39,555 The proposed project is categorically exempt from CA 191 00:13:41,095 --> 00:13:42,475 and then I do have a PowerPoint. 192 00:13:42,475 --> 00:13:44,795 I'll get up here. It's really quick. 193 00:13:47,335 --> 00:13:52,155 Um, So the applicant is 194 00:13:52,155 --> 00:13:53,275 requesting an exception 195 00:13:53,275 --> 00:13:55,635 to the maximum allowable size for two wall signs. 196 00:13:56,295 --> 00:13:59,275 Um, each sign measures 9.33 square feet. 197 00:13:59,735 --> 00:14:02,315 Uh, the, it's existing signage, um, 198 00:14:02,345 --> 00:14:04,795 that looking back there were no permits initially 199 00:14:04,935 --> 00:14:06,115 fi filed for the sign. 200 00:14:06,135 --> 00:14:07,515 So we're just trying to get them into 201 00:14:07,515 --> 00:14:08,755 compliance at this point. 202 00:14:09,415 --> 00:14:12,155 Um, the exception is requested from the applicant due 203 00:14:12,155 --> 00:14:13,195 to the size of property. 204 00:14:13,775 --> 00:14:15,235 Um, there are multiple buildings 205 00:14:15,235 --> 00:14:18,315 and the location, um, it borders second Street and then fur. 206 00:14:18,335 --> 00:14:21,235 So it is out of the, um, visual corridor. 207 00:14:21,425 --> 00:14:23,635 It's technically in the VMU district, 208 00:14:24,135 --> 00:14:25,635 but it is set back from the village. 209 00:14:25,975 --> 00:14:28,515 Um, and there is some difficulty finding it. 210 00:14:29,015 --> 00:14:33,635 Um, and then there are findings required 211 00:14:33,815 --> 00:14:37,435 for the exception, um, that the DRC will review to, um, 212 00:14:37,435 --> 00:14:38,435 make their findings 213 00:14:39,255 --> 00:14:42,875 and the project is categorically exempt from SQA. 214 00:14:47,385 --> 00:14:49,875 Okay. Um, so now we're gonna go ahead 215 00:14:50,095 --> 00:14:54,005 and, uh, any questions of staff from anybody sitting here? 216 00:14:55,705 --> 00:15:00,165 And um, again, public comment, there's nobody in the room 217 00:15:00,305 --> 00:15:02,925 and nobody on Zoom, so we're gonna go ahead 218 00:15:03,065 --> 00:15:04,565 and close public comment. 219 00:15:05,625 --> 00:15:07,685 And here it is for our discussion. 220 00:15:08,705 --> 00:15:13,485 Um, I was able to walk the area today, I'm hoping some 221 00:15:13,485 --> 00:15:15,685 of you got to see the location as well. 222 00:15:16,545 --> 00:15:18,205 And, um, it's my understanding 223 00:15:18,235 --> 00:15:20,245 that this has been there for a couple of decades. 224 00:15:20,625 --> 00:15:23,405 Um, but that there was a code complaint that came up 225 00:15:23,405 --> 00:15:26,165 that brought it to, um, to us here today. 226 00:15:27,395 --> 00:15:28,605 Anybody have any comments? 227 00:15:29,445 --> 00:15:31,365 I walked it yesterday. Well, I didn't walk it. 228 00:15:31,445 --> 00:15:33,725 I drove it yesterday, uh, as well. 229 00:15:33,825 --> 00:15:35,845 And as you said there, signs have been there 230 00:15:35,845 --> 00:15:37,405 for over 20 years apparently. 231 00:15:37,865 --> 00:15:40,685 Um, if you were to all 232 00:15:40,685 --> 00:15:42,805 of a sudden make them meet current code, 233 00:15:43,115 --> 00:15:44,885 they're eight inches too tall. 234 00:15:45,785 --> 00:15:47,725 Uh, to me that's a very minor thing. 235 00:15:47,725 --> 00:15:49,685 And these signs have been there for a long time. 236 00:15:50,165 --> 00:15:52,805 Nobody's complained until now, apparently. 237 00:15:53,185 --> 00:15:55,365 Um, and I don't see any problem with them personally. 238 00:15:56,295 --> 00:15:59,605 Right. Um, I think that we've got conditions here 239 00:15:59,985 --> 00:16:02,885 for finding an exception within the standards as 240 00:16:03,225 --> 00:16:05,845 to the building location and the setback. 241 00:16:06,505 --> 00:16:11,445 Um, as I walked the area, a key factor to me is 242 00:16:11,475 --> 00:16:15,325 that, um, this is outside of the tourist related area. 243 00:16:15,995 --> 00:16:18,045 It's not within the visual corridor 244 00:16:18,505 --> 00:16:19,925 of anybody in the tourist area. 245 00:16:20,745 --> 00:16:24,245 Um, that we've already made an exception at the market, um, 246 00:16:24,375 --> 00:16:25,805 there across the street. 247 00:16:26,825 --> 00:16:30,725 And, um, because I'm the one that I think most of you know, 248 00:16:30,785 --> 00:16:35,125 I'm very reluctant to allow exceptions, um, 249 00:16:35,435 --> 00:16:37,725 because that kind of has a domino effect. 250 00:16:37,785 --> 00:16:40,765 But I think we have a very strong, uh, case here 251 00:16:41,195 --> 00:16:43,325 because of unusual building location 252 00:16:43,325 --> 00:16:46,045 and setback to, um, allow this. 253 00:16:47,465 --> 00:16:51,445 Um, any other comments? Do I have a mo I'm sorry. 254 00:16:51,605 --> 00:16:53,885 I agree with you what you're saying about the setback, 255 00:16:53,885 --> 00:16:55,325 it's out of the village and stuff. 256 00:16:55,325 --> 00:16:57,405 Should I look at something like the, 257 00:16:57,755 --> 00:16:59,845 there's a clothing store that's next 258 00:16:59,845 --> 00:17:02,685 to connect the tie cuisine cuisine that we just went in. 259 00:17:02,685 --> 00:17:06,605 Mm-hmm. And they have six signs for either 2099 260 00:17:06,605 --> 00:17:07,925 or 34 99 or, 261 00:17:07,985 --> 00:17:12,165 and those to me are much more of a, you know, eyesore. 262 00:17:12,275 --> 00:17:14,565 Eyesore. They shouldn't be allowed to put that many up. 263 00:17:14,565 --> 00:17:16,445 They should have their own store sign up. They don't. 264 00:17:16,905 --> 00:17:20,485 And so when you look at this out of the, 265 00:17:21,305 --> 00:17:22,405 and out of the village, 266 00:17:22,555 --> 00:17:25,485 Well I think to me, again, I'm not gonna compare it 267 00:17:25,485 --> 00:17:29,845 to any others except I just did in the, across the street. 268 00:17:30,345 --> 00:17:33,565 But I think we have to look at the exceptions that we can, 269 00:17:33,825 --> 00:17:35,285 um, slot this into. 270 00:17:35,385 --> 00:17:38,125 And we've got that right there at one one C, 271 00:17:38,195 --> 00:17:40,525 unusual building location or setback. 272 00:17:41,365 --> 00:17:45,485 I think the matter of years also matters 273 00:17:46,465 --> 00:17:48,285 how long it's been, how long it's been. 274 00:17:48,545 --> 00:17:50,925 And that sign has been there for that many years. 275 00:17:51,985 --> 00:17:54,565 And with that in mind, I also looked at the condition 276 00:17:54,565 --> 00:17:56,485 of the sign because my initial thought was 277 00:17:56,485 --> 00:17:58,285 that sign's been there 20 years. 278 00:17:58,985 --> 00:18:01,085 Um, but because of the material 279 00:18:01,145 --> 00:18:02,485 and the way it was fabricated 280 00:18:02,625 --> 00:18:05,485 and, um, the paint, apparently it is in, 281 00:18:06,225 --> 00:18:08,005 it still looks like it's in fine 282 00:18:08,005 --> 00:18:10,205 condition. So all that said, 283 00:18:10,725 --> 00:18:11,725 I do have a question. Yeah. 284 00:18:11,725 --> 00:18:14,725 Um, I'm looking at the requirement versus proposed. 285 00:18:14,985 --> 00:18:17,845 So really, um, it's just 286 00:18:17,845 --> 00:18:22,325 that each sign exceeds the wall sign maximum size. 287 00:18:22,665 --> 00:18:25,285 Um, there's only two signs. 288 00:18:26,185 --> 00:18:28,365 Um, so they're in compliance there. 289 00:18:28,865 --> 00:18:30,565 The letter height is in compliance. 290 00:18:30,865 --> 00:18:32,725 And so the, his only question was 291 00:18:32,755 --> 00:18:36,965 that the signs are slightly bigger and yes. 292 00:18:37,105 --> 00:18:38,205 And that's what we're approved as, 293 00:18:38,205 --> 00:18:39,805 As I said, that they're eight inches too tall, 294 00:18:39,805 --> 00:18:40,805 Basically. That's okay. Yes. 295 00:18:40,805 --> 00:18:42,125 I just wanted to be clear on 296 00:18:42,125 --> 00:18:44,005 what we were exempting things. 297 00:18:44,275 --> 00:18:45,855 Yeah. Yeah. 298 00:18:45,915 --> 00:18:47,695 The rest of it's within compliance 299 00:18:48,155 --> 00:18:52,855 and um, again, the fact that it's not in the, 300 00:18:53,075 --> 00:18:56,895 um, although it is in the zoning area, 301 00:18:57,365 --> 00:18:59,975 it's not in the tourist zone so to speak. 302 00:18:59,975 --> 00:19:02,335 This is a local business and that's Yeah. 303 00:19:02,875 --> 00:19:04,615 Not definitely not a tourist business, 304 00:19:04,715 --> 00:19:07,015 nor is it visible within that tourist area. 305 00:19:07,185 --> 00:19:11,735 Right. So any, uh, motion 306 00:19:11,795 --> 00:19:13,135 to approve as presented? 307 00:19:14,315 --> 00:19:15,495 If I could jump in, uh, excuse me 308 00:19:15,795 --> 00:19:17,215 before the motion is made. 309 00:19:17,515 --> 00:19:18,855 Yes. Um, I would just, uh, suggest 310 00:19:18,855 --> 00:19:22,335 that whoever makes the motion expressly, uh, add 311 00:19:22,855 --> 00:19:23,855 whatever the conditions are 312 00:19:23,885 --> 00:19:25,535 that you believe constitute the 313 00:19:25,535 --> 00:19:27,135 exceptions that you're granting. 314 00:19:27,215 --> 00:19:29,855 I heard a discussion among the members of the, 315 00:19:30,395 --> 00:19:32,095 of the committee as to which they thought, 316 00:19:32,155 --> 00:19:33,695 but it should be part of the formal motion. 317 00:19:34,405 --> 00:19:36,575 Okay. Um, I think I can make a motion then. 318 00:19:36,695 --> 00:19:38,215 I don't usually do that. 319 00:19:39,235 --> 00:19:43,935 But let's go back to, um, 320 00:19:46,455 --> 00:19:50,935 I move that we allow the sign permit as presented 321 00:19:50,935 --> 00:19:55,095 with the exception, um, looking at item one C 322 00:19:55,315 --> 00:19:59,935 as this is based on unusual building location or setback. 323 00:20:02,715 --> 00:20:05,855 So that's my motion. Does that sound okay? I see a head yes. 324 00:20:06,455 --> 00:20:08,655 I second it. All right. 325 00:20:08,655 --> 00:20:10,575 Having heard a motion and a second. 326 00:20:10,645 --> 00:20:12,055 Lisa roll call vote please. 327 00:20:12,635 --> 00:20:14,935 Member Melissa Bates. Approved Member Goetz. 328 00:20:15,215 --> 00:20:17,775 Approved Member Johnson approved Vice Chair 329 00:20:17,775 --> 00:20:20,335 Boyd approved chair. Esther Jacobson Bates 330 00:20:20,975 --> 00:20:21,615 Approved. Thank 331 00:20:21,615 --> 00:20:22,615 You. 332 00:20:23,645 --> 00:20:27,135 Okay, well we're zooming right on to item number five. 333 00:20:27,135 --> 00:20:28,375 Committee member comments. 334 00:20:32,405 --> 00:20:36,695 Well, I can start. I gotta say Merry Christmas gala. 335 00:20:37,185 --> 00:20:39,135 Happy holidays to all 336 00:20:39,475 --> 00:20:44,375 and a special thank you to my colleagues up here on the dais 337 00:20:44,515 --> 00:20:47,845 for our almost a year together. 338 00:20:48,085 --> 00:20:50,725 I think this is, I guess it's meeting 11 339 00:20:51,045 --> 00:20:52,725 'cause we were appointed in January. 340 00:20:53,745 --> 00:20:56,205 So it's been a pleasure working with you 341 00:20:56,425 --> 00:20:58,925 and I think we're getting it into a rhythm here 342 00:20:59,065 --> 00:21:01,085 and looking forward to next year. 343 00:21:01,305 --> 00:21:05,645 And that rhythm is made possible by our staff here, 344 00:21:06,115 --> 00:21:10,605 Lisa Raphael, um, for answering all of our questions. 345 00:21:10,745 --> 00:21:13,565 And believe me, there are many questions I ask them 346 00:21:13,565 --> 00:21:15,805 that are not from sitting in this chair. 347 00:21:15,945 --> 00:21:17,405 So thank you for all of that. 348 00:21:18,425 --> 00:21:21,725 Um, all of that said, um, I have a couple questions, 349 00:21:21,725 --> 00:21:24,005 but I think they're probably gonna be addressed in city 350 00:21:24,015 --> 00:21:27,565 staff comments and I'll, um, I'll wait till that time. 351 00:21:28,115 --> 00:21:29,845 Anybody else have comments? 352 00:21:30,345 --> 00:21:32,125 Um, I do have one comment. 353 00:21:32,425 --> 00:21:33,885 Um, I just wanted to confirm 354 00:21:34,195 --> 00:21:36,005 that our terms have been extended 355 00:21:36,505 --> 00:21:39,205 and Lisa, could you confirm the end date on that? 356 00:21:40,365 --> 00:21:41,965 I presume that that was gonna come up. 357 00:21:42,275 --> 00:21:45,285 That was one of my things. I have 358 00:21:45,285 --> 00:21:46,285 It right here. Why don't 359 00:21:46,285 --> 00:21:47,365 Lisa e each each end 360 00:21:47,365 --> 00:21:48,645 date's actually different from each member. 361 00:21:49,065 --> 00:21:52,765 Oh. So that, that that's why it's okay. It was, yeah. 362 00:21:52,865 --> 00:21:55,285 So if, if you need a clarification, 363 00:21:55,365 --> 00:21:57,005 I would email the city clerk about your 364 00:21:57,005 --> 00:21:58,045 end date. Okay. It's, 365 00:21:58,165 --> 00:22:00,285 I believe that the Bates is, uh, up here, 366 00:22:00,685 --> 00:22:04,085 although we're not related, we apparently also were, um, 367 00:22:05,225 --> 00:22:09,325 the ones who have the, I think it extended till 2092. 368 00:22:09,385 --> 00:22:12,165 Is that right Melissa? Um, 369 00:22:12,345 --> 00:22:14,485 but we have a longer term, so yes. 370 00:22:15,265 --> 00:22:19,365 Um, this, I a kind of a little quick background on that. 371 00:22:19,545 --> 00:22:22,605 Having everybody be appointed 372 00:22:23,385 --> 00:22:25,525 and our terms all end at the same time, 373 00:22:25,785 --> 00:22:30,685 I'd highly encouraged our city council to really reconsider 374 00:22:30,685 --> 00:22:32,605 that and, uh, 375 00:22:32,605 --> 00:22:35,125 because if I hadn't been here, 376 00:22:35,125 --> 00:22:36,725 it would be a completely new group. 377 00:22:37,225 --> 00:22:40,365 Um, and not that I couldn't, you know, not 378 00:22:40,365 --> 00:22:41,365 that I'm indispensable, 379 00:22:41,385 --> 00:22:45,565 but I think when you have a full turnover, you lose some 380 00:22:45,565 --> 00:22:49,005 of the background and institutional memory, um, as 381 00:22:49,025 --> 00:22:51,085 to why decisions were made. 382 00:22:51,745 --> 00:22:53,325 The staff is here and they're great, 383 00:22:53,325 --> 00:22:56,725 but they're also, you know, new since I started as, 384 00:22:56,945 --> 00:22:58,565 as a design review committee member. 385 00:22:58,745 --> 00:23:01,125 So, um, having that ability 386 00:23:01,185 --> 00:23:03,685 to have staggered terms I think will be very valuable. 387 00:23:03,685 --> 00:23:05,925 And that's happening with planning as well, 388 00:23:05,985 --> 00:23:08,165 if I understand correctly. Yeah. 389 00:23:08,745 --> 00:23:10,445 So I have one other comment too. 390 00:23:10,485 --> 00:23:11,525 I wanna second your comments. 391 00:23:11,665 --> 00:23:14,285 I'm wishing everybody a happy holiday season 392 00:23:14,425 --> 00:23:17,005 and it's been a pleasure being on the committee 393 00:23:17,005 --> 00:23:19,205 with everybody and I think we've been doing 394 00:23:19,205 --> 00:23:20,965 what I suspect is pretty good work. 395 00:23:21,745 --> 00:23:23,165 So thank you and thank you Esther, 396 00:23:23,165 --> 00:23:24,765 for leading us down the path here. 397 00:23:25,235 --> 00:23:27,965 It's been a year. Thank you. Thank you. 398 00:23:28,675 --> 00:23:32,045 Another question on terms, there's no prohibition on 399 00:23:32,925 --> 00:23:37,005 Reapp approving or reappointing any of the outgoing members 400 00:23:37,225 --> 00:23:39,205 to a a subsequent term. 401 00:23:39,555 --> 00:23:41,005 This Might, that, that, that would be up 402 00:23:41,005 --> 00:23:45,325 to the council person who, um, who will nominate right, uh, 403 00:23:45,325 --> 00:23:48,605 the next member of the DRC as part of their, 404 00:23:49,185 --> 00:23:50,725 um, nominations. 405 00:23:51,025 --> 00:23:53,845 So there'll be a new filing period just as we all did. 406 00:23:53,995 --> 00:23:55,165 That Is correct. And then 407 00:23:55,825 --> 00:23:59,165 the city council will look at the applications and pick, 408 00:23:59,795 --> 00:24:00,795 Okay. And 409 00:24:00,795 --> 00:24:03,605 in the past, each council member kind 410 00:24:03,605 --> 00:24:05,125 of selected their choice 411 00:24:05,345 --> 00:24:08,005 and honestly I didn't quite hear how that was. 412 00:24:08,105 --> 00:24:10,445 Is it going to be, I mean, it was always approval 413 00:24:10,545 --> 00:24:12,045 of the majority required, 414 00:24:12,265 --> 00:24:15,525 but kind of like each person appointed their choice. 415 00:24:16,185 --> 00:24:17,885 Is that still the way it's gonna be 416 00:24:17,985 --> 00:24:19,925 or is it gonna be Yes. Okay. 417 00:24:20,295 --> 00:24:22,845 Thank you. So still the same, but the, the terms just now 418 00:24:23,575 --> 00:24:25,765 align with the council person, so 419 00:24:26,075 --> 00:24:27,645 That was my understanding as well. 420 00:24:27,995 --> 00:24:29,565 Yeah. Um, 421 00:24:29,565 --> 00:24:33,285 but there's no limit as to how many times you can conserve. 422 00:24:33,285 --> 00:24:34,405 There's no term limit, 423 00:24:34,505 --> 00:24:37,325 but you have to go through the process each time, um, 424 00:24:37,545 --> 00:24:38,925 to be reappointed. 425 00:24:39,395 --> 00:24:43,165 Correct. There's no codification for term limits. Yeah. 426 00:24:43,165 --> 00:24:47,765 Thank you. Um, okay. City staff comments please. 427 00:24:51,905 --> 00:24:53,365 Trying to do multiple things at the same time. 428 00:24:53,905 --> 00:24:55,885 Um, so that was actually the first item on my list. 429 00:24:55,945 --> 00:24:57,925 Uh, so, uh, you were sent out an email 430 00:24:57,925 --> 00:24:59,045 from the city clerk, Sophia. 431 00:24:59,285 --> 00:25:01,125 Again, if you have any questions in regards to term dates, 432 00:25:01,315 --> 00:25:04,045 because it's not a standard term date for everybody, 433 00:25:04,045 --> 00:25:05,925 each one's person's different, go ahead 434 00:25:05,925 --> 00:25:07,245 and email the city clerk or email 435 00:25:07,245 --> 00:25:08,485 myself and I'll get you your answer. 436 00:25:09,145 --> 00:25:13,205 Um, our staff has been extremely busy with the influx 437 00:25:13,205 --> 00:25:16,885 of building permit submittals over the last, uh, six weeks, 438 00:25:17,505 --> 00:25:20,045 um, particularly actually last two weeks. 439 00:25:20,625 --> 00:25:24,005 Um, so we are, and that's the main driver. Two things. 440 00:25:24,185 --> 00:25:26,045 One is, uh, we do have a new building code cycle 441 00:25:26,115 --> 00:25:29,765 that will be, uh, ending, uh, this on the 31st 442 00:25:29,865 --> 00:25:31,245 and starting on the January 1st, 443 00:25:31,245 --> 00:25:32,965 we enter the 2025 building code. 444 00:25:33,025 --> 00:25:35,325 So, um, major projects are trying 445 00:25:35,325 --> 00:25:36,845 to come on under the old code. 446 00:25:37,345 --> 00:25:41,125 Um, and then we also have an influx of solar permits due 447 00:25:41,125 --> 00:25:44,285 to the expiration of tax credits on that. 448 00:25:44,385 --> 00:25:45,605 So that's why we're pretty busy. 449 00:25:46,145 --> 00:25:48,645 Um, there's some movement on a couple projects 450 00:25:48,785 --> 00:25:50,365 or a, a project that's going on in town. 451 00:25:50,405 --> 00:25:53,605 I know a lot of discussion on the apartment buildings 452 00:25:53,605 --> 00:25:54,925 located near Fifth and Oak. 453 00:25:55,115 --> 00:25:56,885 It's technically, it's four 25th Street. 454 00:25:57,305 --> 00:26:00,325 Um, we did meet with the applicant uh, yesterday. 455 00:26:00,865 --> 00:26:03,125 Um, we've actually been in contact with pg e 456 00:26:03,125 --> 00:26:04,445 for the first time in many moons. 457 00:26:04,945 --> 00:26:09,845 Um, so, um, anyways, so pg e has, has finally, uh, 458 00:26:10,085 --> 00:26:11,325 provided sort of line drawings 459 00:26:11,325 --> 00:26:13,005 for undergrounding, utilities for less. 460 00:26:13,025 --> 00:26:16,085 Don know there's been no construction going on on the 461 00:26:16,645 --> 00:26:19,285 exterior of the building because, uh, they, uh, 462 00:26:19,825 --> 00:26:21,965 it was a requirement that those lines be underground. 463 00:26:22,465 --> 00:26:24,805 Uh, pg e has taken their a while 464 00:26:25,025 --> 00:26:26,845 to get us back what needs to get done. 465 00:26:27,025 --> 00:26:29,205 So, um, we're hopefully, we'll, 466 00:26:29,205 --> 00:26:30,605 we'll start seeing some movement on 467 00:26:30,605 --> 00:26:32,845 that construction project within the next month. 468 00:26:33,465 --> 00:26:35,005 Um, short term rentals. 469 00:26:35,105 --> 00:26:38,605 Uh, so we did have a series of, uh, meetings 470 00:26:38,605 --> 00:26:41,285 with the city council, uh, about the direction 471 00:26:41,285 --> 00:26:43,125 of short term rentals and revision to that ordinance. 472 00:26:43,205 --> 00:26:45,245 This is going to the planning commission on January 5th 473 00:26:45,265 --> 00:26:46,925 for recommendation to the city council. 474 00:26:47,865 --> 00:26:49,885 And so hopefully that'll get splashed down here in this 475 00:26:49,885 --> 00:26:50,965 first quarter, uh, 476 00:26:50,965 --> 00:26:53,605 with implementation pushed out in quarter two. 477 00:26:54,305 --> 00:26:57,005 Um, as for, uh, your body, uh, 478 00:26:57,005 --> 00:26:59,685 we do have a meeting in January for a sign program 479 00:26:59,865 --> 00:27:01,805 and sign exception for Founder Square. 480 00:27:02,305 --> 00:27:05,965 Uh, and potentially, uh, facade exception recommendation. 481 00:27:06,185 --> 00:27:09,485 So, uh, the way our new code is set up is if for those that, 482 00:27:09,705 --> 00:27:11,565 uh, applicants who are seeking exceptions 483 00:27:11,665 --> 00:27:13,405 to the objective standards, they have 484 00:27:13,405 --> 00:27:14,725 to get the recommendation here first 485 00:27:15,185 --> 00:27:16,805 and then it actually goes to planning commission 486 00:27:16,825 --> 00:27:18,805 for official finalization. Uh, 487 00:27:19,045 --> 00:27:20,445 Rafael, sorry to inter interrupt. 488 00:27:20,605 --> 00:27:22,205 A founder square that's, uh, 489 00:27:22,565 --> 00:27:23,565 Denmark Square. Okay. Formerly 490 00:27:23,565 --> 00:27:24,925 known as Denmark Square. Yeah. So 491 00:27:24,985 --> 00:27:26,045 Little Mermaid Square. 492 00:27:26,835 --> 00:27:29,445 Yeah, so, uh, those are the two items. 493 00:27:30,105 --> 00:27:31,605 One of the two is for sure going. 494 00:27:31,665 --> 00:27:34,725 The other one we will see if we can get it, uh, completed. 495 00:27:35,265 --> 00:27:36,725 Um, our signage. 496 00:27:36,945 --> 00:27:38,805 So we, as you know, we've worked over the summer, 497 00:27:38,945 --> 00:27:39,965 uh, with sign ordinance. 498 00:27:40,025 --> 00:27:41,285 Uh, we did go to planning commission. 499 00:27:41,285 --> 00:27:43,125 They had some input as well. 500 00:27:43,425 --> 00:27:45,205 So we kind of have a couple things 501 00:27:45,205 --> 00:27:48,205 that we'll need directions on, uh, from the city council. 502 00:27:48,385 --> 00:27:51,605 So the hope is to take that, uh, in a meeting in January. 503 00:27:51,865 --> 00:27:53,725 So right now it's keyed up for January 12th, 504 00:27:53,745 --> 00:27:55,245 but it might get delayed to the second meeting. 505 00:27:55,305 --> 00:27:58,525 So we'll see how that goes. Um, as for our design handbook, 506 00:27:58,525 --> 00:28:00,005 we've been busy with other things, so 507 00:28:00,065 --> 00:28:01,605 that's now been pushed back to come 508 00:28:01,605 --> 00:28:03,085 to this body in February. 509 00:28:03,745 --> 00:28:06,965 And then finally, um, it is a new fiscal year 510 00:28:07,385 --> 00:28:10,125 and so our new fiscal year is gonna be upon us in June. 511 00:28:10,345 --> 00:28:12,925 And so the city council does have a gold setting session set 512 00:28:12,925 --> 00:28:15,125 for Saturday February 7th. 513 00:28:15,745 --> 00:28:18,605 Uh, location and time is still yet to be determined. 514 00:28:18,605 --> 00:28:21,005 For those that don't know, this is actually the time 515 00:28:21,005 --> 00:28:23,725 where the city council, uh, sets their goals 516 00:28:23,905 --> 00:28:26,565 and budget priorities for the, uh, two fiscal years. 517 00:28:27,265 --> 00:28:29,125 So, um, and it's those goals 518 00:28:29,125 --> 00:28:30,885 that we work towards over the next two years 519 00:28:31,265 --> 00:28:32,365 of accomplishing. 520 00:28:32,625 --> 00:28:35,405 So it's a facilitated meeting, it's an open meeting 521 00:28:36,025 --> 00:28:39,285 and so the, the more people that come out, the more, um, 522 00:28:40,235 --> 00:28:42,365 they can chime in on, on the direction 523 00:28:42,365 --> 00:28:43,565 of the city within the next two years 524 00:28:43,565 --> 00:28:44,885 and how we program that budget 525 00:28:45,065 --> 00:28:47,325 and eventually our workload from city staff. 526 00:28:48,025 --> 00:28:49,805 And, uh, last but not least, uh, 527 00:28:49,895 --> 00:28:51,925 wanna wish everyone a happy holidays and Merry Christmas 528 00:28:51,985 --> 00:28:54,845 and, uh, enjoy time with your family and friends. 529 00:28:55,955 --> 00:28:58,365 That concludes my report, unless you have any questions. 530 00:28:58,845 --> 00:29:01,845 I do have a question. Tell me again the meeting, uh, 531 00:29:01,905 --> 00:29:04,925 for the, um, design codes to return to, 532 00:29:05,425 --> 00:29:07,405 uh, the city council. 533 00:29:08,465 --> 00:29:11,285 For which codes? Uh, you were saying I think 534 00:29:11,285 --> 00:29:12,925 that there's something coming up that 535 00:29:13,455 --> 00:29:14,455 Short term rentals. 536 00:29:14,625 --> 00:29:16,125 No, there was, The handbook 537 00:29:16,985 --> 00:29:18,245 Is, I thought there was something 538 00:29:18,245 --> 00:29:19,445 else. I didn't quite catch it. 539 00:29:19,585 --> 00:29:21,885 Um, the signs That had gone to planning 540 00:29:22,025 --> 00:29:23,205 as well. Is that the sign? 541 00:29:23,945 --> 00:29:24,965 Yes. Yeah. Signs. Yeah. 542 00:29:24,965 --> 00:29:27,165 So signs will go for direction not adoption? 543 00:29:27,825 --> 00:29:29,725 Um, both. So, um, 544 00:29:29,745 --> 00:29:31,365 And what meeting is that? That's what I didn't, 545 00:29:31,555 --> 00:29:33,165 It's currently scheduled for the 12th, 546 00:29:33,185 --> 00:29:35,845 but we may push it out to the second meeting in January. So 547 00:29:36,145 --> 00:29:37,725 You did or you're, We don't know yet. 548 00:29:38,115 --> 00:29:41,045 Okay. So maybe. Okay. Alright. 549 00:29:41,465 --> 00:29:46,165 And, um, update us if you 550 00:29:46,165 --> 00:29:50,565 would, on the latest that you're allowed to speak of. 551 00:29:51,985 --> 00:29:54,845 Is there anything that you can update us with the project? 552 00:29:55,605 --> 00:29:57,325 I have no update for that project. Okay. 553 00:29:57,855 --> 00:29:59,285 We'll leave it at that. Is 554 00:29:59,285 --> 00:30:01,445 that the Ellis Allen mission project? 555 00:30:02,845 --> 00:30:05,405 I guess there's no update to be had. Yeah. Thank you. 556 00:30:05,585 --> 00:30:07,405 Um, available at this time. 557 00:30:08,425 --> 00:30:10,565 Uh, I think Thank you staff 558 00:30:11,345 --> 00:30:13,885 and, um, record Meeting 559 00:30:14,435 --> 00:30:17,645 adjourned at 5 25. 560 00:30:19,575 --> 00:30:21,365 Merry Hi.