[4:55] Okay.
[4:56] Good evening and welcome to the regular meeting
[4:58] of the Design Review Committee on Thursday,
[5:01] December 18th, 2025.
[5:03] I now call the meeting to order at 5:00 PM Um,
[5:09] Lisa, roll call, vote please. Member
[5:12] Melissa Bates.
[5:13] Present. Member Goetz. Here. Member Johnson. Here.
[5:17] Vice Chair Boyd. Here.
[5:19] Chair Esther Jacobson Bates here. Thank you.
[5:22] Okay. We're gonna start with the Pledge of Allegiance.
[5:24] Um, Melissa, please lead us
[5:28] Stand. Please stand
[5:29] as you are able.
[5:32] I pledge allegiance to flag
[5:35] of the United States of America
[5:37] and to the Republic for which it stands.
[5:40] One Nation under God, individual with liberty
[5:44] and justice for all.
[5:53] Okay. Um, can I have a motion to approve the order
[5:56] of the agenda as presented?
[5:59] I so move. Do I have second? I second.
[6:04] Um, having heard a motion, I second
[6:06] to approve the order of the agenda.
[6:08] Lisa, roll call, vote please.
[6:10] Member Melissa Bates, approve. Member Goetz approved.
[6:12] Member Johnson approved Vice Chair Boyd approve
[6:16] Chair Esther Jacobson Bates
[6:18] Approved. Thank you.
[6:19] Okay. Consent items.
[6:21] Lisa, will you please introduce them?
[6:24] Items on consent are typically routine
[6:26] and will be approved in one motion.
[6:27] The chair will call on anyone wishing
[6:29] to address the committee on any consent item on the agenda,
[6:32] which has not been pulled by the committee.
[6:34] For discussion, each speaker will be permitted
[6:36] to speak only once, and comments will be limited
[6:38] to a total of three minutes.
[6:41] Okay. We're gonna start with, uh,
[6:43] in-person public comment first.
[6:45] Anybody in the room? This is, um, items on the,
[6:48] uh, consent agenda.
[6:53] Anybody on Zoom? Okay.
[6:56] Um, committee members,
[6:57] anybody have any items they would like to pull?
[7:01] Uh, I do, I am going to ask that we pull, just
[7:04] for clarification on item two,
[7:11] well, actually two A and B, please.
[7:18] Okay. So now we're gonna go back to these consent items
[7:22] and um, we're gonna go to item
[7:27] two A.
[7:29] Um, Lisa, would you like to introduce
[7:31] that just real quickly or
[7:33] Approve a sign permit for a proposed projecting sign
[7:36] and window sign located at 1693 Mission Drive,
[7:39] suite C one A PN 1 3 9 1 4 3 0 2 5.
[7:43] The proposed project is categorically exempt from csa
[7:45] and the applicant is here.
[7:48] So I'm the one that asked to have this pulled.
[7:50] My quick question has to do
[7:52] with the proposed window lettering.
[7:54] I see in the diagram here that the window, um, black,
[7:58] you know, sign has a white background.
[8:00] Is that just the way it's just high?
[8:03] Well, you come up to the microphone and yeah,
[8:06] I'm not tech savvy, so
[8:08] that's just the way I could make it happen
[8:09] for you guys to get an idea.
[8:10] Yeah. Apologies. I just, I was trying
[8:12] to delete the background, but I, I couldn't get it to work.
[8:15] No problem. That was my assumption,
[8:17] but I didn't wanna go with that, so, um, it'd just
[8:20] Be floating on the class. Yeah.
[8:22] Perfect. Clear back.
[8:23] Yeah, black shows up and the rest of it is just the glass.
[8:27] Thank you for clarifying. Of course.
[8:29] Anybody else have any questions? Okay.
[8:32] Then we'll take a motion, um, to, um,
[8:36] approve item one A.
[8:40] Excuse me. Item two A I move to approve.
[8:46] I'll second. Okay. Um, we've got approval in a second.
[8:50] Lisa, roll call vote please.
[8:52] Member Melissa Bates, approve. Member Goetz approved.
[8:55] Member Johnson approved Vice Chair Boyd approved chair.
[8:59] Esther Jacobson Bates approved. Thank
[9:01] You. Thank you for clarification.
[9:02] 
[9:03] Um, moving on to consent item two, which is, um, uh, Lisa,
[9:07] do you wish to, um, introduce that as well?
[9:11] Thank you. The schedule
[9:20] Approved 2026 design review committee meeting schedule.
[9:27] Okay. I had a, a question on the schedule, um,
[9:30] and it looks like maybe I see something on Jennifer's too.
[9:34] Um, my question is, I do have
[9:37] potential conflict on the January 15th
[9:40] and when I looked at that date,
[9:41] I was also wondering if this might be a time to
[9:45] postpone a meet the meeting a week simply
[9:47] because of it being so early in the new year
[9:48] and allowing more time for staff to prepare.
[9:52] So, short answer is, it is codified
[9:53] that the meeting does happen on
[9:55] the third Thursdays of the month.
[9:56] We are actually being fully prepared for the next meeting
[9:58] as we have items that we shoved off from this meeting
[10:01] to go to the next meeting.
[10:02] So, um, if we have a quorum, which I'm assuming most
[10:06] of you will be here for that, then we will, should be able
[10:10] to move forward, um, with that meeting.
[10:12] And if we don't, we'll address that at a later date.
[10:14] Are there any other dates that's correct, that are, are
[10:16] of concern of note to anybody at this point?
[10:19] The only date that I will not be able
[10:21] to attend is the September 17th, as I will be
[10:26] setting up for Danish day,
[10:27] Danish day's high gear. Yeah.
[10:29] Yeah. So very, so very similar.
[10:31] If, if you can't make it, just let us know.
[10:33] Um, full disclosure, the June 18th date for me, um, I,
[10:38] I will be available if I have to be available,
[10:40] but I will be nine hours ahead of y'all, so, well,
[10:43] Alright. And June 18th
[10:44] I will be two hours ahead of you.
[10:46] Oh. So
[10:48] We'll, we'll as we go.
[10:50] Uh, so knowing that you know myself and, and, uh,
[10:55] and you would more than likely be out, um, again,
[10:58] very similar to what happened when I first started here.
[11:00] We had about, we sandbagged 2D RC meetings due to staff, uh,
[11:03] outages and vacations.
[11:05] Um, we, we may have to do that or we may move it, um, simply
[11:10] because, uh, we will be playing musical chairs
[11:13] for city staff over the summer.
[11:15] Um, so as we have, uh, folks coming off vacation
[11:19] and then folks that are, uh, going on, um,
[11:21] potential long-term leave, so.
[11:24] Alright, sounds good. Thank you.
[11:26] Esther. I probably won't be able to attend the 15th,
[11:28] the January 15th meeting.
[11:30] Okay. And that's the one that's kind of sketchy
[11:32] for me. So, um, we are
[11:33] Still contemplating it being on the
[11:35] 15th. Well, unless
[11:36] there's not a quorum,
[11:37] but I think at this point we approve this schedule
[11:39] and then if necessary we revisit that that
[11:41] Is correct. So again,
[11:42] if, if, uh, if with let's, my recommendation is
[11:46] to approve the schedule as is, um, we will, uh,
[11:49] we'll revisit after holidays, uh, the quorum as, as I said,
[11:52] we do have an item already, uh, queued up for that meeting.
[11:56] Um, and so we'll, we'll do a separate poll
[11:58] and if we have to, we, we will special meeting it, so.
[12:00] Okay. But at the preference is
[12:02] to keep the schedule as is. Yep.
[12:04] Okay. So I think that that kind of stands
[12:05] for all the future meetings.
[12:07] And, and with that, um, I'd like to request just
[12:10] that staff send an email
[12:12] and maybe do this on a regular basis, you know,
[12:14] several weeks before the meeting just to confirm attendance.
[12:17] Mm-hmm. With that said, encouraging everybody,
[12:19] if you know you can't make a meeting, let, let us know
[12:22] as early as possible because that helps with preparation.
[12:26] So all that said, do I have a motion
[12:28] to approve the 2026 meeting calendar as presented?
[12:33] I motion to approve I second
[12:37] Lisa, roll call, vote please.
[12:40] Member Melissa Bates. Approved Member Goetz.
[12:43] Approved Member Johnson approved Vice Chair
[12:45] Boyd approved Chair.
[12:46] Esther Jacobson Bates approved. Thank you.
[12:50] Okay, we're gonna move on
[12:51] to public communications non agenda.
[12:54] Um, and I, at this point, there's nobody in the room
[12:58] and nobody, uh, that our attorney on Zoom,
[13:00] I don't think it's required that we do an introduction given
[13:03] that, um, such that being the case.
[13:08] Then we're going to move on to
[13:12] discussion item four A.
[13:15] Um, Lisa, will you go ahead
[13:18] and introduce discussion on possible
[13:20] action on the sign permit here?
[13:22] Discussion and pop possible action for a signed permit
[13:25] with a sign exception
[13:26] for application PA 2 5 0 5 2 located at 1665
[13:31] for Avenue apn.
[13:33] 1, 3 9, 1 4, 3, 2, 1 for two wall signs.
[13:36] The proposed project is categorically exempt from CA
[13:41] and then I do have a PowerPoint.
[13:42] I'll get up here. It's really quick.
[13:47] Um, So the applicant is
[13:52] requesting an exception
[13:53] to the maximum allowable size for two wall signs.
[13:56] Um, each sign measures 9.33 square feet.
[13:59] Uh, the, it's existing signage, um,
[14:02] that looking back there were no permits initially
[14:04] fi filed for the sign.
[14:06] So we're just trying to get them into
[14:07] compliance at this point.
[14:09] Um, the exception is requested from the applicant due
[14:12] to the size of property.
[14:13] Um, there are multiple buildings
[14:15] and the location, um, it borders second Street and then fur.
[14:18] So it is out of the, um, visual corridor.
[14:21] It's technically in the VMU district,
[14:24] but it is set back from the village.
[14:25] Um, and there is some difficulty finding it.
[14:29] Um, and then there are findings required
[14:33] for the exception, um, that the DRC will review to, um,
[14:37] make their findings
[14:39] and the project is categorically exempt from SQA.
[14:47] Okay. Um, so now we're gonna go ahead
[14:50] and, uh, any questions of staff from anybody sitting here?
[14:55] And um, again, public comment, there's nobody in the room
[15:00] and nobody on Zoom, so we're gonna go ahead
[15:03] and close public comment.
[15:05] And here it is for our discussion.
[15:08] Um, I was able to walk the area today, I'm hoping some
[15:13] of you got to see the location as well.
[15:16] And, um, it's my understanding
[15:18] that this has been there for a couple of decades.
[15:20] Um, but that there was a code complaint that came up
[15:23] that brought it to, um, to us here today.
[15:27] Anybody have any comments?
[15:29] I walked it yesterday. Well, I didn't walk it.
[15:31] I drove it yesterday, uh, as well.
[15:33] And as you said there, signs have been there
[15:35] for over 20 years apparently.
[15:37] Um, if you were to all
[15:40] of a sudden make them meet current code,
[15:43] they're eight inches too tall.
[15:45] Uh, to me that's a very minor thing.
[15:47] And these signs have been there for a long time.
[15:50] Nobody's complained until now, apparently.
[15:53] Um, and I don't see any problem with them personally.
[15:56] Right. Um, I think that we've got conditions here
[15:59] for finding an exception within the standards as
[16:03] to the building location and the setback.
[16:06] Um, as I walked the area, a key factor to me is
[16:11] that, um, this is outside of the tourist related area.
[16:15] It's not within the visual corridor
[16:18] of anybody in the tourist area.
[16:20] Um, that we've already made an exception at the market, um,
[16:24] there across the street.
[16:26] And, um, because I'm the one that I think most of you know,
[16:30] I'm very reluctant to allow exceptions, um,
[16:35] because that kind of has a domino effect.
[16:37] But I think we have a very strong, uh, case here
[16:41] because of unusual building location
[16:43] and setback to, um, allow this.
[16:47] Um, any other comments? Do I have a mo I'm sorry.
[16:51] I agree with you what you're saying about the setback,
[16:53] it's out of the village and stuff.
[16:55] Should I look at something like the,
[16:57] there's a clothing store that's next
[16:59] to connect the tie cuisine cuisine that we just went in.
[17:02] Mm-hmm. And they have six signs for either 2099
[17:06] or 34 99 or,
[17:07] and those to me are much more of a, you know, eyesore.
[17:12] Eyesore. They shouldn't be allowed to put that many up.
[17:14] They should have their own store sign up. They don't.
[17:16] And so when you look at this out of the,
[17:21] and out of the village,
[17:22] Well I think to me, again, I'm not gonna compare it
[17:25] to any others except I just did in the, across the street.
[17:30] But I think we have to look at the exceptions that we can,
[17:33] um, slot this into.
[17:35] And we've got that right there at one one C,
[17:38] unusual building location or setback.
[17:41] I think the matter of years also matters
[17:46] how long it's been, how long it's been.
[17:48] And that sign has been there for that many years.
[17:51] And with that in mind, I also looked at the condition
[17:54] of the sign because my initial thought was
[17:56] that sign's been there 20 years.
[17:58] Um, but because of the material
[18:01] and the way it was fabricated
[18:02] and, um, the paint, apparently it is in,
[18:06] it still looks like it's in fine
[18:08] condition. So all that said,
[18:10] I do have a question. Yeah.
[18:11] Um, I'm looking at the requirement versus proposed.
[18:14] So really, um, it's just
[18:17] that each sign exceeds the wall sign maximum size.
[18:22] Um, there's only two signs.
[18:26] Um, so they're in compliance there.
[18:28] The letter height is in compliance.
[18:30] And so the, his only question was
[18:32] that the signs are slightly bigger and yes.
[18:37] And that's what we're approved as,
[18:38] As I said, that they're eight inches too tall,
[18:39] Basically. That's okay. Yes.
[18:40] I just wanted to be clear on
[18:42] what we were exempting things.
[18:44] Yeah. Yeah.
[18:45] The rest of it's within compliance
[18:48] and um, again, the fact that it's not in the,
[18:53] um, although it is in the zoning area,
[18:57] it's not in the tourist zone so to speak.
[18:59] This is a local business and that's Yeah.
[19:02] Not definitely not a tourist business,
[19:04] nor is it visible within that tourist area.
[19:07] Right. So any, uh, motion
[19:11] to approve as presented?
[19:14] If I could jump in, uh, excuse me
[19:15] before the motion is made.
[19:17] Yes. Um, I would just, uh, suggest
[19:18] that whoever makes the motion expressly, uh, add
[19:22] whatever the conditions are
[19:23] that you believe constitute the
[19:25] exceptions that you're granting.
[19:27] I heard a discussion among the members of the,
[19:30] of the committee as to which they thought,
[19:32] but it should be part of the formal motion.
[19:34] Okay. Um, I think I can make a motion then.
[19:36] I don't usually do that.
[19:39] But let's go back to, um,
[19:46] I move that we allow the sign permit as presented
[19:50] with the exception, um, looking at item one C
[19:55] as this is based on unusual building location or setback.
[20:02] So that's my motion. Does that sound okay? I see a head yes.
[20:06] I second it. All right.
[20:08] Having heard a motion and a second.
[20:10] Lisa roll call vote please.
[20:12] Member Melissa Bates. Approved Member Goetz.
[20:15] Approved Member Johnson approved Vice Chair
[20:17] Boyd approved chair. Esther Jacobson Bates
[20:20] Approved. Thank
[20:21] You.
[20:23] Okay, well we're zooming right on to item number five.
[20:27] Committee member comments.
[20:32] Well, I can start. I gotta say Merry Christmas gala.
[20:37] Happy holidays to all
[20:39] and a special thank you to my colleagues up here on the dais
[20:44] for our almost a year together.
[20:48] I think this is, I guess it's meeting 11
[20:51] 'cause we were appointed in January.
[20:53] So it's been a pleasure working with you
[20:56] and I think we're getting it into a rhythm here
[20:59] and looking forward to next year.
[21:01] And that rhythm is made possible by our staff here,
[21:06] Lisa Raphael, um, for answering all of our questions.
[21:10] And believe me, there are many questions I ask them
[21:13] that are not from sitting in this chair.
[21:15] So thank you for all of that.
[21:18] Um, all of that said, um, I have a couple questions,
[21:21] but I think they're probably gonna be addressed in city
[21:24] staff comments and I'll, um, I'll wait till that time.
[21:28] Anybody else have comments?
[21:30] Um, I do have one comment.
[21:32] Um, I just wanted to confirm
[21:34] that our terms have been extended
[21:36] and Lisa, could you confirm the end date on that?
[21:40] I presume that that was gonna come up.
[21:42] That was one of my things. I have
[21:45] It right here. Why don't
[21:46] Lisa e each each end
[21:47] date's actually different from each member.
[21:49] Oh. So that, that that's why it's okay. It was, yeah.
[21:52] So if, if you need a clarification,
[21:55] I would email the city clerk about your
[21:57] end date. Okay. It's,
[21:58] I believe that the Bates is, uh, up here,
[22:00] although we're not related, we apparently also were, um,
[22:05] the ones who have the, I think it extended till 2092.
[22:09] Is that right Melissa? Um,
[22:12] but we have a longer term, so yes.
[22:15] Um, this, I a kind of a little quick background on that.
[22:19] Having everybody be appointed
[22:23] and our terms all end at the same time,
[22:25] I'd highly encouraged our city council to really reconsider
[22:30] that and, uh,
[22:32] because if I hadn't been here,
[22:35] it would be a completely new group.
[22:37] Um, and not that I couldn't, you know, not
[22:40] that I'm indispensable,
[22:41] but I think when you have a full turnover, you lose some
[22:45] of the background and institutional memory, um, as
[22:49] to why decisions were made.
[22:51] The staff is here and they're great,
[22:53] but they're also, you know, new since I started as,
[22:56] as a design review committee member.
[22:58] So, um, having that ability
[23:01] to have staggered terms I think will be very valuable.
[23:03] And that's happening with planning as well,
[23:05] if I understand correctly. Yeah.
[23:08] So I have one other comment too.
[23:10] I wanna second your comments.
[23:11] I'm wishing everybody a happy holiday season
[23:14] and it's been a pleasure being on the committee
[23:17] with everybody and I think we've been doing
[23:19] what I suspect is pretty good work.
[23:21] So thank you and thank you Esther,
[23:23] for leading us down the path here.
[23:25] It's been a year. Thank you. Thank you.
[23:28] Another question on terms, there's no prohibition on
[23:32] Reapp approving or reappointing any of the outgoing members
[23:37] to a a subsequent term.
[23:39] This Might, that, that, that would be up
[23:41] to the council person who, um, who will nominate right, uh,
[23:45] the next member of the DRC as part of their,
[23:49] um, nominations.
[23:51] So there'll be a new filing period just as we all did.
[23:53] That Is correct. And then
[23:55] the city council will look at the applications and pick,
[23:59] Okay. And
[24:00] in the past, each council member kind
[24:03] of selected their choice
[24:05] and honestly I didn't quite hear how that was.
[24:08] Is it going to be, I mean, it was always approval
[24:10] of the majority required,
[24:12] but kind of like each person appointed their choice.
[24:16] Is that still the way it's gonna be
[24:17] or is it gonna be Yes. Okay.
[24:20] Thank you. So still the same, but the, the terms just now
[24:23] align with the council person, so
[24:26] That was my understanding as well.
[24:27] Yeah. Um,
[24:29] but there's no limit as to how many times you can conserve.
[24:33] There's no term limit,
[24:34] but you have to go through the process each time, um,
[24:37] to be reappointed.
[24:39] Correct. There's no codification for term limits. Yeah.
[24:43] Thank you. Um, okay. City staff comments please.
[24:51] Trying to do multiple things at the same time.
[24:53] Um, so that was actually the first item on my list.
[24:55] Uh, so, uh, you were sent out an email
[24:57] from the city clerk, Sophia.
[24:59] Again, if you have any questions in regards to term dates,
[25:01] because it's not a standard term date for everybody,
[25:04] each one's person's different, go ahead
[25:05] and email the city clerk or email
[25:07] myself and I'll get you your answer.
[25:09] Um, our staff has been extremely busy with the influx
[25:13] of building permit submittals over the last, uh, six weeks,
[25:17] um, particularly actually last two weeks.
[25:20] Um, so we are, and that's the main driver. Two things.
[25:24] One is, uh, we do have a new building code cycle
[25:26] that will be, uh, ending, uh, this on the 31st
[25:29] and starting on the January 1st,
[25:31] we enter the 2025 building code.
[25:33] So, um, major projects are trying
[25:35] to come on under the old code.
[25:37] Um, and then we also have an influx of solar permits due
[25:41] to the expiration of tax credits on that.
[25:44] So that's why we're pretty busy.
[25:46] Um, there's some movement on a couple projects
[25:48] or a, a project that's going on in town.
[25:50] I know a lot of discussion on the apartment buildings
[25:53] located near Fifth and Oak.
[25:55] It's technically, it's four 25th Street.
[25:57] Um, we did meet with the applicant uh, yesterday.
[26:00] Um, we've actually been in contact with pg e
[26:03] for the first time in many moons.
[26:04] Um, so, um, anyways, so pg e has, has finally, uh,
[26:10] provided sort of line drawings
[26:11] for undergrounding, utilities for less.
[26:13] Don know there's been no construction going on on the
[26:16] exterior of the building because, uh, they, uh,
[26:19] it was a requirement that those lines be underground.
[26:22] Uh, pg e has taken their a while
[26:25] to get us back what needs to get done.
[26:27] So, um, we're hopefully, we'll,
[26:29] we'll start seeing some movement on
[26:30] that construction project within the next month.
[26:33] Um, short term rentals.
[26:35] Uh, so we did have a series of, uh, meetings
[26:38] with the city council, uh, about the direction
[26:41] of short term rentals and revision to that ordinance.
[26:43] This is going to the planning commission on January 5th
[26:45] for recommendation to the city council.
[26:47] And so hopefully that'll get splashed down here in this
[26:49] first quarter, uh,
[26:50] with implementation pushed out in quarter two.
[26:54] Um, as for, uh, your body, uh,
[26:57] we do have a meeting in January for a sign program
[26:59] and sign exception for Founder Square.
[27:02] Uh, and potentially, uh, facade exception recommendation.
[27:06] So, uh, the way our new code is set up is if for those that,
[27:09] uh, applicants who are seeking exceptions
[27:11] to the objective standards, they have
[27:13] to get the recommendation here first
[27:15] and then it actually goes to planning commission
[27:16] for official finalization. Uh,
[27:19] Rafael, sorry to inter interrupt.
[27:20] A founder square that's, uh,
[27:22] Denmark Square. Okay. Formerly
[27:23] known as Denmark Square. Yeah. So
[27:24] Little Mermaid Square.
[27:26] Yeah, so, uh, those are the two items.
[27:30] One of the two is for sure going.
[27:31] The other one we will see if we can get it, uh, completed.
[27:35] Um, our signage.
[27:36] So we, as you know, we've worked over the summer,
[27:38] uh, with sign ordinance.
[27:40] Uh, we did go to planning commission.
[27:41] They had some input as well.
[27:43] So we kind of have a couple things
[27:45] that we'll need directions on, uh, from the city council.
[27:48] So the hope is to take that, uh, in a meeting in January.
[27:51] So right now it's keyed up for January 12th,
[27:53] but it might get delayed to the second meeting.
[27:55] So we'll see how that goes. Um, as for our design handbook,
[27:58] we've been busy with other things, so
[28:00] that's now been pushed back to come
[28:01] to this body in February.
[28:03] And then finally, um, it is a new fiscal year
[28:07] and so our new fiscal year is gonna be upon us in June.
[28:10] And so the city council does have a gold setting session set
[28:12] for Saturday February 7th.
[28:15] Uh, location and time is still yet to be determined.
[28:18] For those that don't know, this is actually the time
[28:21] where the city council, uh, sets their goals
[28:23] and budget priorities for the, uh, two fiscal years.
[28:27] So, um, and it's those goals
[28:29] that we work towards over the next two years
[28:31] of accomplishing.
[28:32] So it's a facilitated meeting, it's an open meeting
[28:36] and so the, the more people that come out, the more, um,
[28:40] they can chime in on, on the direction
[28:42] of the city within the next two years
[28:43] and how we program that budget
[28:45] and eventually our workload from city staff.
[28:48] And, uh, last but not least, uh,
[28:49] wanna wish everyone a happy holidays and Merry Christmas
[28:51] and, uh, enjoy time with your family and friends.
[28:55] That concludes my report, unless you have any questions.
[28:58] I do have a question. Tell me again the meeting, uh,
[29:01] for the, um, design codes to return to,
[29:05] uh, the city council.
[29:08] For which codes? Uh, you were saying I think
[29:11] that there's something coming up that
[29:13] Short term rentals.
[29:14] No, there was, The handbook
[29:16] Is, I thought there was something
[29:18] else. I didn't quite catch it.
[29:19] Um, the signs That had gone to planning
[29:22] as well. Is that the sign?
[29:23] Yes. Yeah. Signs. Yeah.
[29:24] So signs will go for direction not adoption?
[29:27] Um, both. So, um,
[29:29] And what meeting is that? That's what I didn't,
[29:31] It's currently scheduled for the 12th,
[29:33] but we may push it out to the second meeting in January. So
[29:36] You did or you're, We don't know yet.
[29:38] Okay. So maybe. Okay. Alright.
[29:41] And, um, update us if you
[29:46] would, on the latest that you're allowed to speak of.
[29:51] Is there anything that you can update us with the project?
[29:55] I have no update for that project. Okay.
[29:57] We'll leave it at that. Is
[29:59] that the Ellis Allen mission project?
[30:02] I guess there's no update to be had. Yeah. Thank you.
[30:05] Um, available at this time.
[30:08] Uh, I think Thank you staff
[30:11] and, um, record Meeting
[30:14] adjourned at 5 25.
[30:19] Merry Hi.