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Don't keep calling.

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I talked to her. .

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We were panicking all of a sudden.

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Yeah, I know.

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Okay. Time being seven o'clock I'd like to call to

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order this.

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Summersworth historic district commission meeting for Wednesday, September 23rd.

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And first order of business is Roco.

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Miss Meers.

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Hello. Sorry.

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present Berry here.

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Here.

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Howard.

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Here.

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Shauna.

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Shannon Sartori, sorry, Tori present. I'm.

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Power absent.

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Absent.

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All right.

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Sorry.

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Next on the agenda is approval of minutes of previous

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meetings. We have August 26th, regular meeting minutes.

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I'm a commotion to improve the minutes.

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Do we have a second? I second it, I have

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comment.

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Tim.

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I'm not page three of five.

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Very bottom line.

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The sentence is incomplete. It should be windows and door.

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B approved as submitted is missing.

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And it's not on the top of the following page.

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Are we sure. Cuz it does say approved as presented.

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Well, that's the title of the motion.

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But not the words that were said.

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I would think, what does it proved as submitted as

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presented? And it says the motion was seconded by Ms.

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Showing I reading that, but I assumed that that was.

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Not part of the paragraph. That was part of the

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title of the motion, but I may be mistaken.

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I think the formatting is weird, but I think that

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it's yeah, I think it's just a page break because

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it.

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Says approve is presented and then the motion was seconded,

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motion carried. So I, I think it's all there. I

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don't, it's smooth. It doesn't matter. It all happened, but

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I just wanted to make.

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A note that the sentence didn't end.

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For the period or any other.

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Typical the record should reflect that we have another member

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who's joined us.

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Let that reflect. We should probably say her name so

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that it's on the, yes. So.

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We'll note that Lori Stein has showed up arrived is now

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present. Great point out that I'm late seven.

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Oh three . Thanks.

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Okay. So back to the motion we have the motion

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to approve it, and we have a second by Mr.

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Meric. Any other discussion on the motion?

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See none, all those to approve the motion.

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Approval of the military is your right hand.

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Opposed motion passes seven zero.

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I, I didn't note it before, but we do have

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a full board. We have two alternates here, so.

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Obviously everybody's welcome to discuss and ask questions.

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Questions just obviously we don't have a need for the

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alternate, but you're always welcome to.

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Join in the discussion.

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All right.

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All right. Just

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all right. Third item on the agenda is projects of

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minimal impact Ms. Meers.

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Yes. Thank you. Mr. Chairman 12 Highland street, unit D.

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Received minimal.

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Impact for proposed rooftop, solar and EV charging station.

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Moving on to public comment by visitors. Do we have

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any comments by visitors here that would be looking to

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speak on?

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Something, not on the agenda.

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Seeing none. We'll move on to.

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Old business. Do we have any old business to come

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before the commission?

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None that I'm aware, seeing none new business. First item

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on the agenda is high hopes, Realty limited.

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Partnership is seeking a certificate of appropriateness to replace trim,

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repair, siding, and install gutters, and a Gable roof at

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98 high street.

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In the residential business with historic overlay district.

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Assessor's map 10 lot, 1 55 HDC case number 27 dash

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2026.

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And Ms. MIS, do you have any info on this?

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Yes. Thank you. Mr. Chairman, the applicant is proposing to

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complete the following site site improvements.

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Replacement of trim around the west with composite trim, with

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the same moldings and measurements applicant.

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Application of vinyl, sheeting to the east porch and replacement

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of trim with composite trim.

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Installation of vinyl gutters on the Southwest roof.

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Over the car park.

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Install Gable roof over the south entrance and heat pump

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unit.

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And some vinyl siding repair.

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This is ready for the board to start review.

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All right. And obviously we have an applicant here. If

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you don't mind, just state your name for the record

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and.

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Good evening. Thank you for.

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Your volunteerism to be here tonight and always appreciate by

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the citizens of Summersworth.

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I mean, cuz I know how hard it is to

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get volunteers.

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Brian Barrington resided at 39 noble street. Summersworth New Hampshire.

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And I'm the, the managing partner of.

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High hopes, Realty trust.

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Realty limited partnership, being the landlord for the Coolidge law

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firm and owned by the same partners.

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Partners. All right. And is there anything you'd like to

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add to this?

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Well, well, we can go into discussion and questions.

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Questions the

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this property was.

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Clearly subject to remodeling.

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Back in

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seventies or eighties, the.

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The trim on the side porch.

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Is is clearly not.

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Ancient it's it's all the same.

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Type in grade, as you currently get at home Depot.

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But it looks pretty good.

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And it's just all pine that is sun baked and

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coming off.

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There's a bunch of attorneys. We really don't have.

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Fiber inclination to do a lot of.

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Work on our buildings ourselves. And so.

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Given the, the sun and the, the weather.

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We'd like to just use composites. My contractor who's.

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Who's I've represented and know that he does good work.

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Only represented him because he was trying to collect, not

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because he's being sued. .

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Nice clarification. It's gonna be using.

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The a assures me that composite materials of the same

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design.

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Are are present.

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And so I'm really looking forward to getting.

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So instead of just having a beam we're, we're gonna,

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we're gonna keep everything just the way it is. He's

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under strict orders. I got the pictures. I'll be keeping

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an eye on.

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Them so that, you know, it's restored with the same

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look.

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that that's.

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That's the other side porch, which was right on.

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Constitutional way.

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Probably shouldn't tell you, but back in the 18 hundreds,

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it was nice, beautiful spindle.

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Or trailing and everything. And then now was just changed

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and just.

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Solid wall. I painted it the last time. And.

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Plywood and paint. I really hold very well. So we'd

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like to have it.

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Use this for the, for the blank parts, I'll be

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using the sheathing.

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The pillars, which are original they'll, they'll just stay the

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way they are. And they'll.

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We'll keep the same again, keeping the same look, but

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just using.

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A layer of final.

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Over the existing trim to have the same appearance.

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Just to make it no maintenance.

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I think Gabriel, April roof.

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Such a love with these guys can do interposing the,

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the Gabriel roof. It looks like we already built it.

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But it's in your packet, you can see that it

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has about the same.

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Roof the same angles.

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Angles as the existing roof line.

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That's our main entrance for staff next to our parking.

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And it really does get to be an icy.

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Mess in the wintertime because you can see up above

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it.

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All the water comes off at this point.

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And this pours down onto the.

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Onto the deck there, which would then freezes and.

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So our, so we're, he's gonna put a composite cable.

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Gabriel over that door is shown.

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Shown, and then there's just gonna be a simple.

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Slanted.

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Piece of wood over the.

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Piece of well, not wood, but.

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Again, roof material over the heat pump. That's there.

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And so I don't think it's gonna.

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Well, I'm gonna make sure it doesn't change.

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The nature of the building.

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All right.

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Do you have any questions from the board?

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Mr mat.

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Matti. Thank you, Mr. Chair, you've used the term Gable.

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Roof, but

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the term really would be Porto over that door just

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for the Gable would be the.

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Tylee triangular sided.

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Much like where you're vented louver is.

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High above on that cable. And.

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So you're really constructing that Portico and I understand.

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That's what you meant and that's that's I understand exactly

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what you're building.

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The only confusion with the questions that I might have

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is.

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The description says you're doing something similar to the, what

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is.

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Proposed, which is a nice rendition over that door.

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Over the heat pump.

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There these two windows and the gutter.

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The heat pump riser. That's I'm not sure how that's

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going to.

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How you attaching that there that's very unusual. It's not

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gonna be attached to the building. Oh, there's two feet

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between you can't really see it.

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It's just gonna be

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a piece of wood, basically just over it, but isn't

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it. Even he gonna be attached at the building. Understood.

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Well, technically it's not part of the building, but.

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It's all my questions. I have a question. All right,

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Ms. Sean.

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Vinyl vinyl gutters or do you mean aluminum gutters? Like

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I, I'm not aware they make vinyl gutters and it

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seems like they would be very fragile.

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I think you don't, you mean aluminum gutters?

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To like catch rain. So they would be aluminum.

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are they aluminum?

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I, I don't they're white plastic seated. If I can

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help, that would be great. Cuz I, the.

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Proposed is vinyl gutters. And there's a few products that

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do make vinyl gutters, but they come in these little.

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Like eight and 10 foot sections that snap together, they

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leak. They're not really reliable.

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I'm assuming these is going to be.

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One piece gutter system.

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Gutter's system and that won't be in vinyl. That would

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have to be aluminum. All right. I'd like to.

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That was my only question, ask you about that. I.

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I mean, I, I think what you have up there

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now are.

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Our VI, our aluminum.

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I'm assuming you're gonna replace what you have. So no,

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we're not replacing the, the other gutters are already there.

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They're gonna be the same design.

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I guess, you know, they're way up there. So I

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never realized that they're aluminum instead of plastic.

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The only place where you wanna put 'em.

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by our dumpster.

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You see here.

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There used to be.

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There's there's no daughters here on either side of it.

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And so a tremendous amount of water is.

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Coming into the car park area.

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Way up high there to just run some aluminum gutters.

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Along the side.

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The downspout is still there, but the gutters aren't.

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Aren't I just, the two sides over the.

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Car park.

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Alright, as though there'll be white and blend in with

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what's there.

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I have a question.

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Mr. Julian, did you consider.

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Installing a gutter over the.

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Heat pump area instead of covering the heat pump.

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Yes. And they said it won't work.

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Because of the way the roof line comes together and

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throws in.

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Mm-hmm there actually is already a gutter up there.

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But it, it just

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all the roof, it just overwhelms see, there is a

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gutter way up there.

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But it just

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hope it just sprays straight out after coming down, all

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those roofs.

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Roofs, let's see a cutter.

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Now, usually when it rain into his wind and it's

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usually prevailing, wind is Northwest. So it.

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That's my office right there. So I can assure you

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that tons of moisture ends upon that.

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Sorry, duck.

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I am not seeing any existing gutters or downspouts.

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Downspouts. If I may help there's there's no gutter in

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that view.

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The one that's over the heat pump. It's.

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That's the con that's the set lines that lead up

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to the building that feed into the.

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AC head in that building.

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All right.

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Well, we weren't proposing to put any gutters on this,

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though.

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Based on

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the integrity of this building and the.

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Multiple additions and changes that have been made to this

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building.

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I actually don't have any problem with what's being proposed.

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Again, we have gutters on part of the building.

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Even if they added gutters to over the heat pump,

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I'd be fine with it.

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The Gable roof structure or Portico. I'm fine with that.

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Cuz I look at that as a removable thing.

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That could be removed if ever wanted to be.

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Again, the heat pump. Those are hard. I understand where

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a gutter might not help with that. So I'd be

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okay with, again, I look at it as a temporary

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structure that could.

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Be removed easily. So I actually don't have any problem

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with any of these.

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Specifically, because they're gonna match what's already there, cuz again,

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what's there is not anything.

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Drastically.

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Or Nate or not current already. So I'm gonna be

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fine with this.

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I'm also fine with it.

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Other than the vinyl.

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I just was curious about the vinyl.

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Is there any more question? I'd make a motion. I

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have a question. Yeah, I, I do too, so, okay.

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We'll we'll start miss Nuen. Can you just.

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Clarify this forge with the panels.

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Panels on it. Would that be.

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Repaired or you saying this whole thing would just get

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covered in vital sheeting, just the closed porch, the same

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mold and the same pattern.

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So we're gonna

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instead of having

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you can see how the, like the baseboard.

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Wood. There is pretty much, so we're just gonna.

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Replace all the loose and rotted wood and replace with

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composite.

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But the requirement is, is that the finished product look

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exactly the same.

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Okay, thank you.

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Even worse when you get close and look at it.

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probably falling apart.

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So she wasn't fire off on my question. Are you

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replacing all the trim or just the trim as needed?

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I want the whole thing to be composite. I don't.

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Don't that they're gonna rebuild the whole exterior.

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Okay. So, so you're replacing all the wood trim with

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some composite material.

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All the rest of the building was vinyl.

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But the, the porch was kept the same.

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So they're gonna

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they're gonna replace.

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The trim around underneath the windows.

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And the porch. Okay. And.

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As far as the siding goes,

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is it just

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siding repair as needed or are you reciting the entire

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place? No, we're just gonna repair a couple of spaces.

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Okay, Chris.

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Chris backed into the building the other day. And, and

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then.

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and what people have been.

362
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Picking ice, we kind of damaged coming. So just replace,

363
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it's just a couple of places where we're replacing with.

364
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Okay. I was just looking for clarification on that. Oh,

365
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that's good points.

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That

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result. Just, just one comment.

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I'm the guts. I'm just assuming that they're gonna be

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aluminum.

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I see too many people using plastic guts anymore. So

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yeah.

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Ask that you allow fly with the truck and just

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put it down machine. Just believe that I don't know

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what I talking, whatever length they need. I would think

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you would do that. Yeah.

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Do you have any other comments or questions? I think

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we can also do an amendment that if he wants

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to put more gutters around the building, we would be.

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Okay. With that, she decides to try gutters around that

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heat pump, which might make it a little better since

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there aren't none. There.

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You could also try that.

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If you felt like doing that. Oh, and the motion

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comes along. We can certainly consider that. I, I make

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a motion to allow the applicant to amend, to include

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GT.

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Gutters everywhere. all around.

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Should he so choose aluminum gutters everywhere. So if you

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so choose first and foremost, sheep, new England are.

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are we all we all as needed?

391
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Thank you.

392
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Okay. So as I understand that, I just wanna make

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sure we have a motion to accept as presented except

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for a correction to aluminum gutters versus.

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As submitted with vinyl with.

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A

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friendly amendment amendment to allow for gutters if add needed.

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Is that correct? How that is? Correct. Basically as presented.

399
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With aluminum gutters instead of.

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Final gutters and the approval that he may put additional

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gutters on as he sees.

402
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Sees fed or desires.

403
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Desires. I will second that yeah.

404
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More comment for clarity. Realistically is the.

405
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There is no intention of the applicant to change the

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columns at this time. Correct. We're keeping the columns. I

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like those columns.

408
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Socks. They're pretty good solid wood. I've kept them painting.

409
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Yeah. And, and I note as presented, it's not altering

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the dimensions of the trim or the appearance of the

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trim.

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Or any of the features just basically change. Think the

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trim would be the profiles.

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Profiles would may be maintained mm-hmm so I'd be

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in favor of.

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This application as the motion was presented.

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With those amendments and the condition that the columns not

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be not be replaced.

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Replaced. All right. So do we have any other discussion

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on the motion?

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All right, with that. All those in favor of the

422
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motion. Raise your right hand.

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All opposed. Motion passes. Seven zero. You are approved.

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Thank you. My contractor says you get in there in

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October, but hopefully he doesn't. .

426
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Thank you. You're welcome. Thank you.

427
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Hey, do we have any other new business to come

428
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before the commission?

429
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Seeing none. We have

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a conceptual review on the agenda for tonight.

431
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Lauren and Megan Bateman are seeking as conceptual review for

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a proposed carport at 17 noble street in the historic

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moderate fence.

434
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Assessor's map 10 lot, 1 37 HTC case number 30 dash

435
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2026. Ms. Ramirez, do you have any info?

436
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On this? Yes. Thank you. Mr. Chairman, the applicant is

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seeking feedback on the proposed 24 by 24 carport.

438
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The proposal includes an open design with trellis in the

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back.

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Looks pretty nice.

441
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So they're back before us again. Fair enough. Do we

442
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have an applicant here to, we appreciate it.

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If you don't mind just state your name for the

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record and yep. Give us a little info on what

445
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sure. My name is Lauren Bateman.

446
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And I think some of you were here when my

447
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wife and I were here before, and we were looking

448
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at trying to do.

449
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A full garage. And when we got to meeting with

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the contractor, it's gonna be a lot more.

451
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Structurally invasive in, in other parts that we weren't

452
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even anticipating. So we're like, okay, how can we.

453
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Do something else that maybe will maintain the structures that

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are there independently. I know someone here mentioned the, the

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loss of the.

456
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Barn doors. So this would preserve.

457
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Basically the two buildings that are currently there.

458
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Making it kind of an independent.

459
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Independent of the two structures.

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Structures and trying to keep it as, as simple as

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possible as not to take away.

462
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From from the house.

463
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We tried to

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my, my preferred design is the bottom. My wife always

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likes to add little bells and whistles on it, but

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the, the, the bottom is kind of more, I think,

467
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structurally in line.

468
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With the house being the Greek revival style.

469
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The trellis and stuff in the back is my wife

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doing AI. We probably put a trellis that looks nice.

471
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But we're mainly discussing the carport.

472
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Using, you know, probably a shingle roof, which is the

473
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same as what's on the, the carriage house currently.

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But that's what we're, we're proposing as if this would

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be something that would be feasible.

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Feasible in the historic district.

477
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All right.

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Do we have any questions or comments Mrs. Sartori?

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Sartori, what product do you propose building this primarily out

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of.

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I guess to be determined with the, the contractor, I'm

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sure there's a good portion of it. That's gonna have

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to be wood.

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So, yeah, we didn't, we didn't get into details of

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materials. We would try to use whatever.

486
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Would need to be used to, to build it appropriately.

487
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Because your house is not vinyl, correct? The house is

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not vinyl it's clapboard. So you'd consider doing.

489
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Wood for the structure. Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah. Cuz even

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when we had proposed the, the garage part, we were

491
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like, yes, obviously clapboard siding wood.

492
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Yeah, we wouldn't be looking.

493
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To do. I mean, there might be some areas. For

494
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example, if we.

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When we finalize, if we have to put a gutter

496
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on the back or something, it, it might be better

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to use.

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A a white composite, so that wood doesn't rot when

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you have a gutter. But I guess those details when

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we.

501
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See if there's approval or not. thank you.

502
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Ms. Barry.

503
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I am with you. I like the second proposal, because

504
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again, this is a Greek revival. It's very clean.

505
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Kind of sharp lines. The Gable kind of fits into

506
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that.

507
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The embellishments. I understand why people like those, but those

508
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are what I call adding fake history. Two styles.

509
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Not that they don't look nice, but it doesn't go

510
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with the style of your home. I would not be

511
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opposed to a composite, not a, like a plastic composite.

512
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But more of, I can't think of the right term,

513
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but it actually really is very similar to wood. Mm-hmm

514
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on the columns only because if these are gonna

515
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sit.

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On a cement or rock of any kind. I'd just

517
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be worried about the water going up into that column.

518
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Cuz that's what happens with columns. That's how they rot

519
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out the water.

520
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Just kind of gets up like a straw.

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But

522
00:25:31,634 --> 00:25:34,300
what is it going to free stand like this?

523
00:25:35,700 --> 00:25:37,900
Not attaching to the barn is my biggest.

524
00:25:38,667 --> 00:25:42,066
Question within. Yeah. It's not attaching to the barn and

525
00:25:42,133 --> 00:25:42,300
I.

526
00:25:43,467 --> 00:25:46,634
There's a lot of other structural things that would need

527
00:25:46,634 --> 00:25:50,066
to happen to the barn to make that, to make

528
00:25:50,066 --> 00:25:50,367
that feasible.

529
00:25:51,433 --> 00:25:54,634
Feasible again, that's something I can talk to with the

530
00:25:54,634 --> 00:25:56,867
contractor, but I get, I think a lot of it

531
00:25:56,900 --> 00:25:59,033
has to do with even the foundation, cuz it is

532
00:25:59,100 --> 00:25:59,367
a dry.

533
00:25:59,834 --> 00:26:02,834
Foundation. So there's a lot of concern of things.

534
00:26:03,634 --> 00:26:07,000
Moving and jiggling. If we start digging and putting in

535
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:08,000
foundations and.

536
00:26:08,767 --> 00:26:10,433
Because I think they have to go down six feet

537
00:26:10,533 --> 00:26:13,000
or so. Okay. I just remember from the original you

538
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,266
wanted them to attach. I, yeah, I'm not opposed to

539
00:26:15,266 --> 00:26:16,567
them not attaching cuz again, that's.

540
00:26:17,133 --> 00:26:19,066
That's less invasive to these original structures. And again, this

541
00:26:19,066 --> 00:26:22,000
can be easily taken out right with that consideration.

542
00:26:22,867 --> 00:26:25,433
So, again, my personal opinion, I like the bottom one

543
00:26:25,467 --> 00:26:28,066
over the top one, but neither one is horrible to

544
00:26:28,066 --> 00:26:28,900
me. So mm-hmm, .

545
00:26:32,700 --> 00:26:34,033
Any other comments or questions?

546
00:26:35,233 --> 00:26:38,634
Questions, Mr. Mat, more of curiosity than anything. I mean,

547
00:26:38,900 --> 00:26:40,900
I too would, if I had to choose, it'd be

548
00:26:40,900 --> 00:26:42,266
the bottom one for all the same reasons.

549
00:26:43,233 --> 00:26:45,066
Reasons the barns in the barn doors.

550
00:26:46,867 --> 00:26:49,066
Those hold vehicles. I mean, we, you're gonna be a

551
00:26:49,066 --> 00:26:52,033
very unique way of getting in there. Yeah, no, we're

552
00:26:52,033 --> 00:26:54,266
not, we're not using the carriage house for they, they,

553
00:26:54,266 --> 00:26:54,767
they it's.

554
00:26:55,066 --> 00:26:57,634
It's not structurally sounds well, the horses have no problem

555
00:26:57,667 --> 00:27:00,567
going around those columns. Yeah. yeah. You, you can

556
00:27:00,567 --> 00:27:02,433
get the horses in there. Well, it'll be, it'll still

557
00:27:02,433 --> 00:27:03,100
be fine. The.

558
00:27:03,433 --> 00:27:05,066
Stables are still there. So, no, I we'll get 'em

559
00:27:05,066 --> 00:27:07,100
in. I, I appreciate the conceptual review.

560
00:27:08,166 --> 00:27:10,767
Nice job on the presentation for the AI rendering. It

561
00:27:10,767 --> 00:27:12,100
helps us a lot. Mm-hmm .

562
00:27:13,333 --> 00:27:15,066
So we look forward to maybe.

563
00:27:16,033 --> 00:27:17,367
Hearing your proposal soon. Okay.

564
00:27:20,767 --> 00:27:22,867
I was, I, I like this better, cuz I was

565
00:27:22,867 --> 00:27:25,300
one of the ones that was worried about the loss

566
00:27:25,300 --> 00:27:26,100
of the barn. Yeah.

567
00:27:27,834 --> 00:27:29,433
I, I like the bottom one too. I think.

568
00:27:30,300 --> 00:27:33,033
I agree that the, the kind of whoopty, whoops, are

569
00:27:33,033 --> 00:27:35,533
just not, yeah, they don't, they don't match your house.

570
00:27:35,700 --> 00:27:37,266
Sorry to your wife, but they don't. Yeah, I know.

571
00:27:37,934 --> 00:27:38,300
I'm like that.

572
00:27:38,667 --> 00:27:40,533
That's not gonna go, not to create marital discord, but

573
00:27:40,533 --> 00:27:42,133
I don't think any of us are picking that time.

574
00:27:42,333 --> 00:27:44,500
I'll blame it on you guys. No, just give. Yeah,

575
00:27:44,500 --> 00:27:46,567
cuz even like the, the, that side porch.

576
00:27:47,066 --> 00:27:48,567
That's pictured there. He was like, we'll have to take

577
00:27:48,567 --> 00:27:50,500
this down. We'll have to remove the columns and the

578
00:27:50,500 --> 00:27:52,000
moldings here. And I'm like, all right, now we're getting

579
00:27:52,166 --> 00:27:52,533
into.

580
00:27:53,333 --> 00:27:56,667
Kind of too much. So thank you for coming before

581
00:27:56,667 --> 00:27:59,000
us again. Yeah, absolutely. Thank you for having me again.

582
00:28:01,233 --> 00:28:03,433
I'll say my dog will have an objection. He likes

583
00:28:03,433 --> 00:28:05,367
to, when he gets loose, run all over your yard.

584
00:28:05,433 --> 00:28:08,066
Oh, does I'm the one at night chasing him.

585
00:28:08,066 --> 00:28:08,333
Oh,

586
00:28:08,767 --> 00:28:09,567
fantastic.

587
00:28:11,233 --> 00:28:12,667
he can still run around in the front yard. He

588
00:28:12,667 --> 00:28:14,500
just won't be able to get behind that. .

589
00:28:17,667 --> 00:28:18,033
I'll just

590
00:28:19,066 --> 00:28:20,667
I'll just chime in and sure. Say that. I agree

591
00:28:20,667 --> 00:28:23,133
with everybody else on this, that certainly the bottom one

592
00:28:23,166 --> 00:28:25,667
end and the fact that it's not invasive to the

593
00:28:25,667 --> 00:28:26,433
other building. So.

594
00:28:27,867 --> 00:28:29,500
You know, not that I wasn't happy with the first

595
00:28:29,767 --> 00:28:31,033
proposal, but I understand.

596
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,367
Sometimes other factors come in and change plans. So.

597
00:28:35,767 --> 00:28:37,900
With that, I guess. Do you have any other questions

598
00:28:37,934 --> 00:28:40,533
or have we given you enough insight? No, no. At

599
00:28:40,533 --> 00:28:43,166
this stage, I'll, I'll meet with my contractor to say,

600
00:28:43,233 --> 00:28:43,500
Hey,

601
00:28:44,033 --> 00:28:46,333
yes, we can move forward on getting some officials designs

602
00:28:46,367 --> 00:28:49,500
to present. All right. Yeah. Any other last comments by

603
00:28:49,500 --> 00:28:51,900
the board? No, I haven't curiosity question.

604
00:28:52,166 --> 00:28:54,500
Unrelated really to the project and stretching my memory.

605
00:28:55,433 --> 00:28:57,133
Do you have a well in your basement?

606
00:28:58,100 --> 00:29:00,533
Do I have a, a, well there, the, well is.

607
00:29:01,533 --> 00:29:03,533
Outside outside. So it might be your neighbor's house that

608
00:29:03,533 --> 00:29:05,433
I remember. Okay. Because a, well, in the basement, one

609
00:29:05,433 --> 00:29:05,900
of those two.

610
00:29:06,667 --> 00:29:09,066
Okay. Very unique and not unusual though. Yeah.

611
00:29:10,500 --> 00:29:12,000
Mr win. Yeah, I just have.

612
00:29:12,767 --> 00:29:16,266
Sure. Just one comment. So just when you, I'm sure

613
00:29:16,266 --> 00:29:18,767
you would do this anyway, but just please be sure

614
00:29:18,767 --> 00:29:20,634
that when you do come back that you have a.

615
00:29:22,066 --> 00:29:25,734
A measured yes. Plan that shows the relationship of the

616
00:29:25,734 --> 00:29:28,266
carport to the other two buildings. Yep, absolutely. I'm looking

617
00:29:28,266 --> 00:29:29,033
at, I'm trying to, I.

618
00:29:29,333 --> 00:29:31,533
I'm looking at this, you know, tiny map. Yeah. But

619
00:29:31,533 --> 00:29:33,166
I'm trying to like place it, but it doesn't really

620
00:29:33,166 --> 00:29:35,834
matter today. You know, the concept is great and.

621
00:29:36,767 --> 00:29:38,767
I just, you know, make we'll just need a little

622
00:29:38,767 --> 00:29:41,867
more. Yeah. Because depending on where the footings go, maybe

623
00:29:41,867 --> 00:29:44,767
it's gonna be a 23 by 23 or so.

624
00:29:45,433 --> 00:29:48,000
Material choices on that application would be helpful as well.

625
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:49,100
Absolutely. Yeah. Yep.

626
00:29:50,500 --> 00:29:52,767
All right with that. I thank you again for coming

627
00:29:52,834 --> 00:29:54,767
back in and fantastic. Wish your luck on your project.

628
00:29:54,834 --> 00:29:56,133
Thank you so much. Thank you.

629
00:30:00,133 --> 00:30:00,333
All right.

630
00:30:07,133 --> 00:30:09,066
Do we have any other conceptual reviews?

631
00:30:10,100 --> 00:30:11,000
Reviews tonight.

632
00:30:14,166 --> 00:30:14,433
So

633
00:30:15,433 --> 00:30:17,500
I'd just like to mention, I spoke to this gentleman.

634
00:30:18,300 --> 00:30:20,667
That is sitting in the audience. I, I know you

635
00:30:20,900 --> 00:30:23,367
had left and missed the no, I just public comments.

636
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:26,100
No. Okay. Twice.

637
00:30:26,667 --> 00:30:30,900
So, Hey, my name's Sean poor. I was here back

638
00:30:31,100 --> 00:30:31,533
in December.

639
00:30:32,367 --> 00:30:33,100
Regarding 18.

640
00:30:34,667 --> 00:30:36,867
Grand street. We came before the board to build a

641
00:30:36,867 --> 00:30:37,867
new house for my son.

642
00:30:38,867 --> 00:30:40,500
So that was the night that.

643
00:30:41,700 --> 00:30:43,367
They were in there for the condo complex. It ran

644
00:30:43,367 --> 00:30:44,100
really late.

645
00:30:44,934 --> 00:30:46,433
It kind of limited on time. We were hell late

646
00:30:46,433 --> 00:30:46,767
at night.

647
00:30:48,333 --> 00:30:49,367
I was told to come back.

648
00:30:50,300 --> 00:30:52,033
When we were ready to do the railings for the

649
00:30:52,033 --> 00:30:52,300
decks.

650
00:30:53,533 --> 00:30:55,734
Decks and address the garage that was built like the

651
00:30:55,734 --> 00:30:56,066
seventies.

652
00:30:57,133 --> 00:30:59,000
Some people thought it was a carriage house from like

653
00:30:59,066 --> 00:31:02,166
the 18 hundreds. Some people thought it was a garage,

654
00:31:02,166 --> 00:31:05,033
which we, you know, figured out it was built way.

655
00:31:05,333 --> 00:31:08,100
After it's not historical. So now I'm at the point

656
00:31:08,133 --> 00:31:11,033
where I wanted to put railings on. I filled out

657
00:31:11,066 --> 00:31:13,066
a thing with Anna gave her all the.

658
00:31:13,700 --> 00:31:15,033
Information to be on the dock. If it's a night.

659
00:31:16,033 --> 00:31:19,066
She didn't realize there was an open thing from December.

660
00:31:19,900 --> 00:31:22,033
And didn't put it in because there wasn't a set

661
00:31:22,033 --> 00:31:24,367
of the prints on file, but they are all on

662
00:31:24,367 --> 00:31:25,166
file downstairs.

663
00:31:26,100 --> 00:31:27,433
Downstairs. And she was like, I'm sorry.

664
00:31:28,367 --> 00:31:31,367
I made a mistake. So I just came tonight because.

665
00:31:32,333 --> 00:31:34,734
I know that it's not scheduled. And I spoke with

666
00:31:34,734 --> 00:31:37,000
Richard earlier and he said that you can't make a

667
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:37,734
decision on nothing.

668
00:31:38,667 --> 00:31:41,133
But also he has nowhere way to live after next

669
00:31:41,133 --> 00:31:42,433
month for two months. So.

670
00:31:43,433 --> 00:31:45,533
I'm kind of caught in the spot where you can't

671
00:31:45,533 --> 00:31:47,367
get an Hartford street permit till the decks are on

672
00:31:47,367 --> 00:31:47,734
the house.

673
00:31:48,667 --> 00:31:50,734
And I also have a pallet of vinyl on the

674
00:31:50,734 --> 00:31:53,100
front yard that goes to the garage to finish at

675
00:31:53,100 --> 00:31:54,100
the wrap. It like the house.

676
00:31:55,066 --> 00:31:57,533
And I'm just trying to look for a solution of.

677
00:31:58,467 --> 00:32:00,066
What the best thing would do if I have to

678
00:32:00,066 --> 00:32:00,767
come back next month.

679
00:32:01,700 --> 00:32:04,000
So be it, it's just, he's ready to move in.

680
00:32:04,934 --> 00:32:06,133
Probably in three weeks, it'll be done.

681
00:32:07,066 --> 00:32:09,533
And I can't do the decks without any approval.

682
00:32:10,934 --> 00:32:12,433
So this is some ongoing from.

683
00:32:13,533 --> 00:32:17,033
Harry filled out the application addressed all this last December.

684
00:32:18,100 --> 00:32:19,433
And, you know, I came back.

685
00:32:20,166 --> 00:32:23,000
Seven eight months later, not the next month later, which

686
00:32:23,033 --> 00:32:23,867
I probably should have.

687
00:32:24,767 --> 00:32:26,634
But I was told, you know, come back when you're

688
00:32:26,634 --> 00:32:29,033
ready to do it, we'll deal with it then. So

689
00:32:29,033 --> 00:32:30,133
I didn't see a big importance.

690
00:32:33,100 --> 00:32:36,100
I believe Anna gave a deadline to submit some additional

691
00:32:36,233 --> 00:32:39,000
information and that never got submitted so that wasn't put.

692
00:32:39,433 --> 00:32:41,133
On this, that's why this wasn't put on the agenda,

693
00:32:41,166 --> 00:32:44,066
correct? Because we didn't have the information for the board

694
00:32:44,433 --> 00:32:46,133
and we had to send out the packets. So.

695
00:32:47,834 --> 00:32:51,734
I feel a little uncomfortable reviewing an application without.

696
00:32:52,567 --> 00:32:54,100
Renderings. And if I would've known that you would've come,

697
00:32:54,300 --> 00:32:57,100
I could've maybe given some information to the board, but

698
00:32:57,300 --> 00:33:00,066
I don't have any additional information. No, I understand. I'm

699
00:33:00,066 --> 00:33:00,634
not, I.

700
00:33:00,934 --> 00:33:03,066
I'm not saying it's her fault.

701
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:05,533
There is a full set of drawings down there.

702
00:33:06,300 --> 00:33:08,100
And I did bring a copy of one of the

703
00:33:08,100 --> 00:33:09,900
drawings that she has down on file.

704
00:33:10,867 --> 00:33:13,033
That shows the deck from back in last December.

705
00:33:14,100 --> 00:33:16,667
The dimensions and everything in this booklets, in there with

706
00:33:16,667 --> 00:33:18,900
the brochure of the different types of railings.

707
00:33:19,834 --> 00:33:21,100
Railings. It just never got to the meeting at that

708
00:33:21,100 --> 00:33:23,767
time. Okay. So all that is in there. We paid

709
00:33:23,767 --> 00:33:25,433
for another application for tonight.

710
00:33:26,467 --> 00:33:28,734
And she denied it because I didn't have the, the

711
00:33:28,734 --> 00:33:29,433
drawings in that.

712
00:33:30,300 --> 00:33:32,433
Which I looked at 'em yesterday in our folder, they

713
00:33:32,433 --> 00:33:33,033
are in there.

714
00:33:33,900 --> 00:33:35,266
So that was just miscommunication.

715
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,433
She was thinking that my son was looking to build

716
00:33:38,500 --> 00:33:39,033
a new structure.

717
00:33:40,100 --> 00:33:42,133
She didn't know that it was something that was existing.

718
00:33:42,166 --> 00:33:45,166
So it's just miscommunication. I'm not blaming no one. I

719
00:33:45,166 --> 00:33:47,734
said that to Richard tonight. She's a nice girl.

720
00:33:48,233 --> 00:33:51,533
They're great downstairs. You guys are great up here. I'm

721
00:33:51,533 --> 00:33:53,634
not here to argue with anyone. I just want to

722
00:33:53,634 --> 00:33:56,033
try to, I just figured I'd come and speak. He

723
00:33:56,033 --> 00:33:56,166
said.

724
00:33:56,567 --> 00:33:58,834
You should probably just say now, if I could come

725
00:33:58,834 --> 00:34:01,500
back next month and submit the drawings again, which he

726
00:34:01,500 --> 00:34:02,066
has now.

727
00:34:03,066 --> 00:34:04,367
And she has the stuff and she can put it

728
00:34:04,367 --> 00:34:04,634
in.

729
00:34:05,533 --> 00:34:06,900
Then I'll come back next month and it is what

730
00:34:06,900 --> 00:34:07,533
it is. I just.

731
00:34:08,367 --> 00:34:09,500
Was trying to, you know, I took.

732
00:34:10,667 --> 00:34:12,333
I just brought a ton of photos and stuff. Just

733
00:34:12,333 --> 00:34:15,166
if you wanted to keep 'em also yep. Of so

734
00:34:15,634 --> 00:34:16,166
conceptual.

735
00:34:17,133 --> 00:34:19,667
Review and correct me if I'm I'm wrong.

736
00:34:20,567 --> 00:34:21,567
Is for, to review.

737
00:34:23,433 --> 00:34:27,033
Drawings, but not to give approval. So I don't appreciate

738
00:34:27,033 --> 00:34:29,900
this kind of guidance going out to applicants and putting

739
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:31,333
staff in a weird position tonight.

740
00:34:31,834 --> 00:34:34,066
No. And that, that was not the intent with this,

741
00:34:34,066 --> 00:34:34,367
this.

742
00:34:35,233 --> 00:34:38,500
It was just, he brought this up to me beforehand.

743
00:34:39,433 --> 00:34:41,066
Kind of at a loss, not knowing what to do.

744
00:34:42,100 --> 00:34:45,433
I only told him that we could maybe discuss if

745
00:34:45,433 --> 00:34:47,634
he was looking for some guidance on the appearance. Maybe

746
00:34:47,667 --> 00:34:49,834
we could discuss it under conception review, but we could

747
00:34:49,834 --> 00:34:50,066
not.

748
00:34:50,300 --> 00:34:52,533
Make any decisions. So I was not trying to mislead

749
00:34:52,533 --> 00:34:53,166
him in that way.

750
00:34:55,233 --> 00:34:56,734
So I, I guess, well, that's my fault too, cuz

751
00:34:56,734 --> 00:34:58,300
he showed up last night to our.

752
00:34:59,233 --> 00:35:03,033
We had a meeting last night and, and said, I'm

753
00:35:03,033 --> 00:35:04,734
here, here for the committee meeting. And I said, you,

754
00:35:04,734 --> 00:35:06,500
you are on the wrong night buddy, but you can

755
00:35:06,500 --> 00:35:07,300
try and come back tomorrow.

756
00:35:07,634 --> 00:35:11,000
Because we, we don't, we, we were wholly different committee.

757
00:35:11,033 --> 00:35:13,133
We were river walk last night. I apologize. I don't

758
00:35:13,133 --> 00:35:15,533
mean to bodge you in and expect any.

759
00:35:16,066 --> 00:35:18,033
Special thing or nothing like that. I just.

760
00:35:18,867 --> 00:35:20,567
Came last night, I hung around there from five in

761
00:35:20,567 --> 00:35:22,133
the morning, till seven at night. I live an hour

762
00:35:22,133 --> 00:35:24,367
and a half away. Yeah. And I'm here again tonight,

763
00:35:24,500 --> 00:35:26,133
cuz it's I was told to come back.

764
00:35:27,066 --> 00:35:29,066
You know, in the it's, it's just hard for staff

765
00:35:29,066 --> 00:35:32,033
to give a path forward. And yeah, if the board

766
00:35:32,133 --> 00:35:35,100
is giving out different ideas on paths forward, we just.

767
00:35:35,433 --> 00:35:37,100
Need to know this because we're the ones that have

768
00:35:37,100 --> 00:35:39,567
to review the applications and make sure that these get

769
00:35:39,567 --> 00:35:43,033
built to how they're say that they're approved. So this

770
00:35:43,033 --> 00:35:43,367
is where problem.

771
00:35:43,834 --> 00:35:45,300
Problems happen. Yep. And that's why I'm bringing this up

772
00:35:45,300 --> 00:35:47,500
tonight right now in front of the boy. So no,

773
00:35:47,500 --> 00:35:50,033
and, and I, I recall that he was gonna need

774
00:35:50,033 --> 00:35:51,834
to come back for this stuff and just obviously didn.

775
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,867
Didn't happen in a timely fashion. Now, here we are

776
00:35:53,900 --> 00:35:55,767
under the gun for him trying to finish this.

777
00:35:56,567 --> 00:35:58,834
So not trying to mislead anybody. Just.

778
00:36:00,500 --> 00:36:03,634
I tried to advise him the best I could. So

779
00:36:03,767 --> 00:36:04,000
I guess.

780
00:36:04,934 --> 00:36:06,634
Just a quick question. If you don't mind.

781
00:36:07,433 --> 00:36:09,500
The needs an occupancy permit.

782
00:36:10,300 --> 00:36:12,166
Could he put up a set of temporary stairs.

783
00:36:13,133 --> 00:36:15,166
Stairs just to get in and out to get an

784
00:36:15,166 --> 00:36:17,767
occupancy permit, or is he really bound by this.

785
00:36:19,066 --> 00:36:21,133
Steps and decks being built.

786
00:36:23,066 --> 00:36:25,567
I don't know how far along he is. I guess

787
00:36:25,567 --> 00:36:28,100
he's saying he's three weeks out. I did go out

788
00:36:28,100 --> 00:36:29,867
on the site last week. It looks really nice.

789
00:36:30,500 --> 00:36:33,100
It's a very nice project. I was really impressed with

790
00:36:33,100 --> 00:36:33,634
the infill.

791
00:36:34,667 --> 00:36:35,867
Project on the foundation.

792
00:36:37,533 --> 00:36:39,767
I guess we would need to work with Jeff on

793
00:36:39,767 --> 00:36:40,000
that.

794
00:36:40,767 --> 00:36:41,834
Okay. Fair enough.

795
00:36:43,133 --> 00:36:46,567
Ms. Barry. I believe that our board, once we have

796
00:36:46,567 --> 00:36:49,133
a complete application, the city says we have a complete

797
00:36:49,133 --> 00:36:51,066
application. This board has done.

798
00:36:51,233 --> 00:36:54,433
Emergency meetings. I believe that is up to the chair

799
00:36:54,767 --> 00:36:57,333
and well as city staff, where that could be a

800
00:36:57,333 --> 00:36:59,166
course of action taken after this.

801
00:36:59,634 --> 00:37:01,634
Meeting and then a different meeting can be scheduled before

802
00:37:01,634 --> 00:37:02,166
next months.

803
00:37:03,467 --> 00:37:04,667
But again, I believe

804
00:37:05,700 --> 00:37:07,834
stuff would have to be confirmed that everything is complete

805
00:37:07,834 --> 00:37:10,133
before. That could be all right considered. And I would

806
00:37:10,333 --> 00:37:13,433
suggest that the chair and city staff get together to

807
00:37:13,634 --> 00:37:13,767
consider.

808
00:37:14,100 --> 00:37:17,634
That fair enough, Mr. Mat, and just a question for

809
00:37:17,634 --> 00:37:20,533
staff. Is this an application that was already once received?

810
00:37:21,333 --> 00:37:22,900
And the applicant was asked to return.

811
00:37:24,867 --> 00:37:27,634
Yes. Yes. There was an application that was submitted, but

812
00:37:27,634 --> 00:37:28,533
we needed additional.

813
00:37:29,333 --> 00:37:31,266
Information in order to put this on the agenda. So

814
00:37:31,266 --> 00:37:33,000
it was never an approved application.

815
00:37:33,900 --> 00:37:35,066
To come to force yet.

816
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,367
Well, well already can't be heared under old business is

817
00:37:39,367 --> 00:37:42,500
my call. So the already approved. Yeah, the, the building

818
00:37:42,500 --> 00:37:44,000
itself was approved several.

819
00:37:44,367 --> 00:37:46,867
Months ago. I wanna say springtime if I recall. Correct.

820
00:37:46,900 --> 00:37:48,867
And this was part of the building, but it just,

821
00:37:48,900 --> 00:37:51,000
we ran out of time that night. So it never

822
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:52,266
got to it's an amendment. Someone said.

823
00:37:52,767 --> 00:37:54,500
Come back from the garage in the deck. Exactly. So

824
00:37:54,500 --> 00:37:56,266
we had approved the building, but we hadn't.

825
00:37:57,133 --> 00:37:59,433
Hadn't, they didn't have plans for the steps and stairs

826
00:37:59,734 --> 00:38:01,867
at the time, or we didn't get to discussing it.

827
00:38:01,867 --> 00:38:03,567
This didn't get to it. And we pushed it. Got

828
00:38:03,567 --> 00:38:04,867
pushed off for whatever reason.

829
00:38:05,533 --> 00:38:09,266
I mean that's which, listen, I'm not frustrated. I understand

830
00:38:09,266 --> 00:38:11,900
there's a procedure yet everything. So to throw that out

831
00:38:11,900 --> 00:38:13,166
there, then if, if the.

832
00:38:15,066 --> 00:38:17,100
I won't use the word emergency. It's not quite to

833
00:38:17,100 --> 00:38:17,533
that level.

834
00:38:18,300 --> 00:38:20,767
However, if the need is to receive a certificate of

835
00:38:20,767 --> 00:38:21,266
occupancy.

836
00:38:22,100 --> 00:38:24,533
To have safe and co compliant.

837
00:38:25,433 --> 00:38:26,533
Entrance versus

838
00:38:28,100 --> 00:38:31,133
historic district approval of that design of that entrance.

839
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,033
I would think that conversations with the code enforcement.

840
00:38:36,033 --> 00:38:37,367
Could allow a temporary

841
00:38:39,300 --> 00:38:43,767
entrance to be allowed for certificate of occupancy, even on

842
00:38:43,767 --> 00:38:44,567
a temporary basis.

843
00:38:45,533 --> 00:38:48,000
And then when you have all of your.

844
00:38:48,767 --> 00:38:50,367
Pieces of your puzzle for your final.

845
00:38:51,233 --> 00:38:53,500
Design that would be reviewed. And then.

846
00:38:54,467 --> 00:38:58,367
The temporary stairs removed and the design installed. All right.

847
00:38:58,533 --> 00:39:01,166
And that, that, but that's a conversation to be had.

848
00:39:02,100 --> 00:39:03,567
With Coco code officer.

849
00:39:04,367 --> 00:39:08,000
And, and city staff, but I don't know if this

850
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,000
board would be opposed to having a temporary set of

851
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:11,066
stairs.

852
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,066
Stairs, not that we would review such a thing.

853
00:39:15,066 --> 00:39:17,000
Saying, knowing that it's not there forever.

854
00:39:17,900 --> 00:39:19,767
But throwing that out there for conversation.

855
00:39:21,533 --> 00:39:22,433
Fair enough. I just

856
00:39:23,767 --> 00:39:26,300
because he was here. I wanted him at least just

857
00:39:26,567 --> 00:39:29,300
approach on the public comment and wasn't trying to.

858
00:39:30,300 --> 00:39:31,867
Yeah, and I'm fine if you, if he wants to

859
00:39:31,867 --> 00:39:33,667
present and go over what he is thinking.

860
00:39:34,467 --> 00:39:36,500
So it's smoother for the next meeting. That's fine. But

861
00:39:36,734 --> 00:39:39,133
I, as Steph now of next meeting. Yeah. If, if

862
00:39:39,233 --> 00:39:41,500
you guys wanna talk about it, that I'm fine with

863
00:39:41,500 --> 00:39:42,000
that, but I'm.

864
00:39:42,867 --> 00:39:44,867
I'm. I am not okay with approving anything tonight or

865
00:39:45,100 --> 00:39:47,900
anything. Mom and I wasn't expecting that when I spoke

866
00:39:47,900 --> 00:39:50,433
with Richard in the, in the hallway earlier.

867
00:39:51,700 --> 00:39:53,834
So basically, I, I don't know if I give these

868
00:39:53,934 --> 00:39:55,333
to you or you could pass 'em around.

869
00:39:56,166 --> 00:39:58,133
That's the existing plan of the 12 by 12 deck.

870
00:39:59,066 --> 00:40:01,000
That was on the drawing. That's on the original file

871
00:40:01,066 --> 00:40:02,300
from west December.

872
00:40:03,233 --> 00:40:06,100
These are pictures of all houses in the neighborhood and

873
00:40:06,100 --> 00:40:07,066
they're ones in the park.

874
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:09,533
Looking to do the same similar thing.

875
00:40:10,433 --> 00:40:13,066
What I mean swats underneath. So I'm just gonna pass

876
00:40:13,066 --> 00:40:15,734
these down. So I'm making see 'em real quick. And

877
00:40:15,734 --> 00:40:15,867
then.

878
00:40:16,767 --> 00:40:18,834
There's also a brochure that I, after the.

879
00:40:20,166 --> 00:40:21,867
And I gotta have you by the microphone though. I'm

880
00:40:21,867 --> 00:40:22,066
sorry.

881
00:40:23,667 --> 00:40:24,867
IED December for you.

882
00:40:25,700 --> 00:40:27,834
The product we're gonna use those type of railings with

883
00:40:27,834 --> 00:40:30,066
the black metal slats, with the vinyl and the track

884
00:40:30,066 --> 00:40:30,367
stack.

885
00:40:31,433 --> 00:40:33,000
Stacking and the AZA. So box it in.

886
00:40:40,100 --> 00:40:41,667
And the comment I

887
00:40:42,100 --> 00:40:43,433
just wanna say, I go by there three times a

888
00:40:43,433 --> 00:40:46,667
day and I think he's done a fantastic job and

889
00:40:46,667 --> 00:40:48,767
I have no doubt that the tech will be.

890
00:40:49,700 --> 00:40:52,867
Finished the same way. It is a smaller deck in

891
00:40:52,867 --> 00:40:53,567
the rear of the building.

892
00:40:54,700 --> 00:40:55,900
But I understand the

893
00:40:57,533 --> 00:40:58,367
part about being

894
00:41:00,667 --> 00:41:01,300
approved on time.

895
00:41:02,100 --> 00:41:03,533
I don't know if there's any way we could have

896
00:41:03,533 --> 00:41:04,433
a meeting before.

897
00:41:05,533 --> 00:41:06,634
We've done that before.

898
00:41:07,634 --> 00:41:10,567
We haven't done that before and probably only twice in

899
00:41:10,567 --> 00:41:11,900
my tenure here. And I've been here.

900
00:41:12,767 --> 00:41:14,033
Not quite as long as you George.

901
00:41:15,066 --> 00:41:16,333
On the close. I think that.

902
00:41:17,533 --> 00:41:20,500
When the applicant can pull together a complete packet of

903
00:41:20,500 --> 00:41:21,133
what we review.

904
00:41:22,166 --> 00:41:24,133
And submit it to staff.

905
00:41:25,367 --> 00:41:26,266
On a timely manner.

906
00:41:27,433 --> 00:41:29,100
We should hear it at the next meeting, but in

907
00:41:29,100 --> 00:41:29,667
the interim.

908
00:41:30,700 --> 00:41:33,133
If he is allowed by the code enforcement.

909
00:41:34,100 --> 00:41:36,567
To provide code compliant, safe entry.

910
00:41:37,333 --> 00:41:38,433
To in order to get the co.

911
00:41:39,634 --> 00:41:42,300
If that's the dilemma, then he's got the co and

912
00:41:42,300 --> 00:41:44,166
he's in the place. And then we're looking at the

913
00:41:44,166 --> 00:41:45,066
modifications.

914
00:41:46,100 --> 00:41:48,834
For the landing and the railings in a normal schedule,

915
00:41:48,934 --> 00:41:49,433
that's all.

916
00:41:52,133 --> 00:41:54,500
Okay, I'm fine with that. And I appreciate that. I'm

917
00:41:54,500 --> 00:41:56,533
just trying to get 'em in the, I understand. That's

918
00:41:56,533 --> 00:41:58,100
why I'm offering an opportunity to.

919
00:41:58,867 --> 00:42:01,133
To build something to get you in, but not what,

920
00:42:01,300 --> 00:42:04,734
when you eventually submit a package, do you like, I

921
00:42:04,734 --> 00:42:06,867
mean, what I just handed in what you.

922
00:42:07,066 --> 00:42:08,634
You'll be able to see if they pass it around.

923
00:42:09,700 --> 00:42:11,634
Does not. I mean, what would you like me to

924
00:42:11,634 --> 00:42:14,367
do for a package? I basically have what I'm gonna

925
00:42:14,433 --> 00:42:15,033
be using.

926
00:42:15,867 --> 00:42:17,834
Similarities of the neighborhood houses.

927
00:42:19,066 --> 00:42:20,333
You know what I'm gonna do. I mean, staff can

928
00:42:20,333 --> 00:42:22,266
work with you on that. All I can do is

929
00:42:22,266 --> 00:42:24,567
basically bring in a piece of each product that I'm

930
00:42:24,567 --> 00:42:27,066
using and staff will guide you of what would.

931
00:42:27,233 --> 00:42:30,100
Be required. Okay. Yep. What meaning downstairs? Yes.

932
00:42:30,867 --> 00:42:33,433
Okay. And my initial thought would be a full plan

933
00:42:33,433 --> 00:42:36,433
showing how the dimensions of the data, like I just

934
00:42:36,433 --> 00:42:38,367
like that's in there. Exactly. Exactly. Yep.

935
00:42:39,066 --> 00:42:41,066
But also, you know, showing what they'll look like if

936
00:42:41,066 --> 00:42:41,500
there's any.

937
00:42:42,433 --> 00:42:45,867
Skirting to the deck. You know's all those details. That's

938
00:42:45,867 --> 00:42:48,033
what I'm gonna replicate. What's in there with the, with

939
00:42:48,033 --> 00:42:50,100
the slats, like on heavy house in the neighborhood.

940
00:42:51,066 --> 00:42:52,000
I don't like Gladys.

941
00:42:52,934 --> 00:42:55,900
Gladys, you know, putting stone down or something like that,

942
00:42:55,934 --> 00:42:56,900
or the, even the like,

943
00:42:57,700 --> 00:42:58,767
last meeting we were here. You spoke.

944
00:43:00,100 --> 00:43:02,567
About the stones, a big issue with the stones on

945
00:43:02,567 --> 00:43:03,900
the retaining wall, the new.

946
00:43:05,133 --> 00:43:08,367
New development, the apartment complex. That was the meeting before

947
00:43:08,433 --> 00:43:10,033
us, about cows of variations.

948
00:43:11,066 --> 00:43:13,033
So to put down, I went to Sheik concrete.

949
00:43:14,100 --> 00:43:16,000
To get a set of steps made to, to match,

950
00:43:16,066 --> 00:43:18,567
to look like that. A brick of granite. They're not

951
00:43:18,567 --> 00:43:20,000
gonna match the house and look.

952
00:43:20,934 --> 00:43:23,500
Like at the era of the foundation, they're also.

953
00:43:24,567 --> 00:43:27,066
Horrible to maintain the railings rod out that you can't

954
00:43:27,066 --> 00:43:29,834
put salt over anything on 'em you're tracking in sand.

955
00:43:30,667 --> 00:43:31,900
So I just with the house was.

956
00:43:32,934 --> 00:43:34,834
You know, new construction. I was looking to kind of

957
00:43:34,834 --> 00:43:38,166
keep it the same scenario, the same exact trim maintenance

958
00:43:38,166 --> 00:43:39,500
free, but you know,

959
00:43:40,567 --> 00:43:42,100
all trimmed out with the swats like that and stuff.

960
00:43:42,300 --> 00:43:42,567
I mean,

961
00:43:43,433 --> 00:43:45,100
I can't have an architect. Draw it up. It's not

962
00:43:45,100 --> 00:43:45,367
gonna be.

963
00:43:46,300 --> 00:43:48,000
You know, it's not gonna be a remand of it,

964
00:43:48,033 --> 00:43:50,333
but it'll be a drawing of something. Yeah. We just,

965
00:43:50,333 --> 00:43:52,867
that shows the side just what I provided pitches of,

966
00:43:52,867 --> 00:43:53,867
of the neighborhood doses.

967
00:43:54,667 --> 00:43:56,734
And some dimensions, little more detail.

968
00:43:58,500 --> 00:44:01,066
Just basic plans, you know, doesn't have to be.

969
00:44:02,100 --> 00:44:04,667
Yep. No took code staff can certainly make sure you

970
00:44:04,667 --> 00:44:07,033
have the appropriate stuff. Yep, absolutely. So.

971
00:44:09,066 --> 00:44:10,066
I guess, is there any.

972
00:44:11,066 --> 00:44:12,567
More discussion questions. No.

973
00:44:14,467 --> 00:44:16,033
Tried to help as much as we could. What's that?

974
00:44:17,066 --> 00:44:17,900
Yeah. I mean,

975
00:44:18,667 --> 00:44:21,433
they probably won't keep the photos off. I'll put 'em

976
00:44:21,433 --> 00:44:22,333
in the package, but.

977
00:44:24,867 --> 00:44:27,066
All right. So I, I guess my best advice is

978
00:44:27,066 --> 00:44:29,033
get in touch with city staff this week, if you

979
00:44:29,033 --> 00:44:31,634
can, that way. Yeah. Everything can get done in time

980
00:44:31,634 --> 00:44:31,834
for.

981
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,867
The next meeting and hopefully get this resolved as quickly

982
00:44:34,900 --> 00:44:36,567
as possible. Yeah. Like I said, I think it was

983
00:44:36,567 --> 00:44:39,066
more amiss. I did, like you brought up in the

984
00:44:39,066 --> 00:44:40,033
beginning. I did.

985
00:44:40,367 --> 00:44:43,066
Email her, all the stuff that I presented tonight.

986
00:44:44,033 --> 00:44:46,367
And you know, said there's a file on thing. It

987
00:44:46,367 --> 00:44:46,667
just.

988
00:44:47,433 --> 00:44:49,100
I don't think she thought it was something existing. I

989
00:44:49,100 --> 00:44:51,033
thought she, where he paid for a new permit.

990
00:44:52,033 --> 00:44:54,000
I think she thought it was something completely new.

991
00:44:54,867 --> 00:44:56,634
And I would encourage you to reach out to the

992
00:44:57,367 --> 00:45:00,333
building officials and ask what would be the minimum requirements.

993
00:45:01,133 --> 00:45:04,033
For an entry, so you can get the co.

994
00:45:05,133 --> 00:45:07,300
But the design later would come before us. That'd be

995
00:45:07,367 --> 00:45:10,266
my suggestion, but I want to hear if the board

996
00:45:10,266 --> 00:45:11,100
would be a minimal.

997
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,734
To allowing that temporary entrance. I know as far as

998
00:45:15,767 --> 00:45:16,100
like,

999
00:45:16,934 --> 00:45:19,066
for code, usually in awkward spirit from just a building

1000
00:45:19,066 --> 00:45:20,300
experience and over the years,

1001
00:45:21,333 --> 00:45:23,667
he does have an egress. That's a walkout basement. So

1002
00:45:23,667 --> 00:45:26,166
that's one, one egress that he could walk in and

1003
00:45:26,166 --> 00:45:28,500
out of, if I could do temp stairs out in

1004
00:45:28,500 --> 00:45:29,333
the front and.

1005
00:45:29,700 --> 00:45:31,900
They'd go without the code. That's fine. I don't care

1006
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,166
about the deck out back. I can frame it and

1007
00:45:34,166 --> 00:45:36,000
just leave a beer until we come back to the

1008
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:36,433
next meeting.

1009
00:45:37,333 --> 00:45:39,000
I'll just put a board across the door and no

1010
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:40,734
one can fall out of it. You're you have a

1011
00:45:40,734 --> 00:45:43,867
walkout basement currently? What size is that? Walkout door? It's

1012
00:45:43,867 --> 00:45:45,266
up full 36, 80.

1013
00:45:45,700 --> 00:45:45,867
Inch door.

1014
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,333
Level so that wouldn't meet the egress requirements. Yeah. The

1015
00:45:53,333 --> 00:45:55,734
front and the back would, yeah. Yeah. A fire.

1016
00:45:56,166 --> 00:45:58,667
Safety and whatever, not. So, I mean, you know, he'll

1017
00:45:58,667 --> 00:46:00,367
have to go down extra flight of staff, so then

1018
00:46:00,467 --> 00:46:02,266
the need to have a temporary.

1019
00:46:03,467 --> 00:46:04,166
Stare the stairs.

1020
00:46:05,900 --> 00:46:08,133
Stairs. The entrance is moot. Doesn't need to be, well,

1021
00:46:08,767 --> 00:46:11,333
you need one out front. You're gonna need to means

1022
00:46:11,634 --> 00:46:12,500
egress. You have the windows.

1023
00:46:13,533 --> 00:46:17,000
Yeah, they, I, I've never gotten Incy with just one

1024
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,734
set of stairs. Usually they want two doors, but if

1025
00:46:19,734 --> 00:46:21,266
they're allow it, then I'm good with that too.

1026
00:46:21,900 --> 00:46:24,133
So I'll defer to the building official. All right.

1027
00:46:25,133 --> 00:46:27,100
I'll talk to him tomorrow, down there and see what

1028
00:46:27,100 --> 00:46:27,300
he says.

1029
00:46:28,166 --> 00:46:30,367
But to answer your question, Tim, on my side, I

1030
00:46:30,367 --> 00:46:33,066
would not be opposed to a temporary stare if needed

1031
00:46:33,166 --> 00:46:35,834
for a ocus dependency. But again,

1032
00:46:36,567 --> 00:46:39,066
I that's up to code enforcement. Mm-hmm so, but

1033
00:46:39,300 --> 00:46:42,033
for this board, because you would be coming back, I

1034
00:46:42,033 --> 00:46:43,300
would not be opposed to a temporary.

1035
00:46:44,166 --> 00:46:44,166
Solution.

1036
00:46:46,467 --> 00:46:49,000
And unfortunately, we can't really approve one either because it's

1037
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:50,433
not an item on the agenda. So.

1038
00:46:51,233 --> 00:46:53,266
You know, I, I think your best bet is to

1039
00:46:53,367 --> 00:46:56,100
chat with city staff and, yep. I'm sure they can.

1040
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,066
No, I'll talk, expedite a way to get this done.

1041
00:46:58,133 --> 00:46:58,500
Yeah.

1042
00:46:59,233 --> 00:47:01,634
I just, yeah. And I thought, you know, like, I,

1043
00:47:02,066 --> 00:47:02,300
I guess.

1044
00:47:03,333 --> 00:47:05,133
I don't know. Yeah. I guess I should've went in

1045
00:47:05,133 --> 00:47:07,333
there and talked to Anna before he filled it. Cuz

1046
00:47:07,333 --> 00:47:09,000
she made him fill out a whole new thing. So

1047
00:47:09,133 --> 00:47:11,066
she just was under the impression it was a whole.

1048
00:47:11,433 --> 00:47:15,066
New application where it was already all in the file

1049
00:47:15,066 --> 00:47:18,166
cabinet, you know? So like you said, simple miscommunication. Yeah.

1050
00:47:18,166 --> 00:47:19,500
It just happened. So, and I mean,

1051
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,133
I'm just was in panic mode. When I came last

1052
00:47:22,133 --> 00:47:22,433
night.

1053
00:47:23,233 --> 00:47:25,100
Someone said, oh, the meeting's tonight. So I'm like, I'll

1054
00:47:25,100 --> 00:47:27,133
just randomly show up and at least maybe try to

1055
00:47:27,133 --> 00:47:29,500
see. And then she was out at the doorway. She

1056
00:47:29,500 --> 00:47:31,066
was like, no, it's tomorrow night. I'm like, oh, come

1057
00:47:31,066 --> 00:47:31,300
back.

1058
00:47:31,700 --> 00:47:33,266
So, but I appreciate all your time.

1059
00:47:34,100 --> 00:47:36,000
You want to go home early this tonight? So I'll

1060
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:36,367
get going.

1061
00:47:37,333 --> 00:47:39,867
And so you not hit on nine and I just

1062
00:47:39,867 --> 00:47:41,867
wanted your thoughts on some of the pitches and stuff

1063
00:47:41,900 --> 00:47:44,900
too. So if anyone had any comments, I'll have one

1064
00:47:44,900 --> 00:47:45,266
last comment.

1065
00:47:45,700 --> 00:47:47,367
Our question. Yeah, the

1066
00:47:48,166 --> 00:47:51,767
door on shown on the Portico of the yep. To.

1067
00:47:52,767 --> 00:47:54,634
It bottom floor. How high would you estimate that to

1068
00:47:54,634 --> 00:47:57,500
be off of grade? I believe it's, I think it's

1069
00:47:57,500 --> 00:48:00,100
four steps in a platform. So I'm gonna say 28

1070
00:48:00,266 --> 00:48:00,533
to.

1071
00:48:01,133 --> 00:48:04,066
You're doing a seven inch rise. It's probably 28 inches,

1072
00:48:04,133 --> 00:48:07,266
I think, to the bottom of the door. 28. Would

1073
00:48:07,266 --> 00:48:08,567
you say it's less than 30?

1074
00:48:10,033 --> 00:48:13,000
No, it's, it's probably with the platform. It'd be probably

1075
00:48:13,033 --> 00:48:15,900
right around 30. The reason why I'm asking, cuz if

1076
00:48:15,900 --> 00:48:17,367
it's 30 or under, yeah, you don't need.

1077
00:48:17,700 --> 00:48:19,634
That counts a door. Anything? Yeah, it counts as an

1078
00:48:19,767 --> 00:48:22,033
egress as well. Oh, it does. Okay. All right.

1079
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,734
So, no, it's definitely to the door. It's more than

1080
00:48:25,734 --> 00:48:28,266
30. I think it's, I think it's four steps plus

1081
00:48:28,266 --> 00:48:30,433
the platform and the step to the door. So you'd

1082
00:48:30,433 --> 00:48:30,834
be talking.

1083
00:48:31,433 --> 00:48:33,767
You know, almost 42 inches. Yeah. Yeah.

1084
00:48:34,667 --> 00:48:35,433
So it's up a little high.

1085
00:48:37,767 --> 00:48:39,000
So, all right. Well,

1086
00:48:39,834 --> 00:48:41,367
sounds like, we'll see you next month. Yeah. You don't

1087
00:48:41,367 --> 00:48:44,033
need that stuff. What do you want? Because I'm just

1088
00:48:44,033 --> 00:48:46,100
gonna give her coffee so right.

1089
00:48:47,233 --> 00:48:49,533
Thank you have a good evening. Thanks for your time.

1090
00:48:49,533 --> 00:48:50,834
Have a good night. You're welcome.

1091
00:48:53,667 --> 00:48:56,100
So moving on to workshop business, do we have any

1092
00:48:56,333 --> 00:48:57,000
workshop business?

1093
00:48:59,634 --> 00:49:01,300
Seeing none communications and miscellaneous.

1094
00:49:02,867 --> 00:49:05,834
I'm just gonna, I know we talked about scheduling a

1095
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:10,033
workshop for another PLA plaque round, but I wasn't sure.

1096
00:49:11,100 --> 00:49:12,867
When we were thinking we were going to schedule that,

1097
00:49:13,033 --> 00:49:15,767
or if we wanna give more time to keep I

1098
00:49:15,767 --> 00:49:18,333
thoughts on that, I thought we'd supposed to come.

1099
00:49:18,867 --> 00:49:21,433
Up with ideas on a building to present it to.

1100
00:49:22,667 --> 00:49:24,767
Not actually schedule a workshop yet, but.

1101
00:49:26,900 --> 00:49:29,066
I I've gotta building in mind myself, but I don't

1102
00:49:29,066 --> 00:49:30,066
know if other people do.

1103
00:49:31,066 --> 00:49:32,367
Okay. I just didn't think we would wanna like,

1104
00:49:33,133 --> 00:49:36,900
brainstorm what to, what? Not to during an actual fair

1105
00:49:36,900 --> 00:49:39,533
enough meeting. Yep. So we, we could schedule, do we

1106
00:49:39,533 --> 00:49:41,066
wanna schedule a workshop maybe?

1107
00:49:42,266 --> 00:49:44,166
Before the next meeting then, or.

1108
00:49:45,133 --> 00:49:46,100
How, I guess, how would you.

1109
00:49:47,233 --> 00:49:48,066
Perceive this working.

1110
00:49:52,834 --> 00:49:54,900
I don't know if anybody else has given it any

1111
00:49:54,900 --> 00:49:56,667
thoughts, so people might need more time.

1112
00:49:57,734 --> 00:50:00,333
Maybe we could try to schedule something in November.

1113
00:50:02,066 --> 00:50:04,033
Fair enough. I don't know how others are feeling. Oh,

1114
00:50:04,033 --> 00:50:06,166
that gives us a couple months to give us some

1115
00:50:06,433 --> 00:50:07,166
consideration and.

1116
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,867
We'll try to keep that in plan in a plan

1117
00:50:11,100 --> 00:50:11,767
for November.

1118
00:50:14,700 --> 00:50:16,066
Any other communications of miscellaneous.

1119
00:50:17,467 --> 00:50:19,300
Yes. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, I have something.

1120
00:50:20,166 --> 00:50:24,533
We are partner partnering with New Hampshire preservation Alliance this Friday.

1121
00:50:25,333 --> 00:50:27,900
We're having a workshop here at city hall. There's a

1122
00:50:27,900 --> 00:50:30,033
few members of the board that are gonna be attending.

1123
00:50:31,066 --> 00:50:33,834
It's at, it starts at 10 and it's just a.

1124
00:50:34,667 --> 00:50:36,734
A round table to meet with other.

1125
00:50:38,300 --> 00:50:43,667
Historic district commissions and historic preservation folks to Des discuss

1126
00:50:43,667 --> 00:50:44,266
opportunities.

1127
00:50:45,133 --> 00:50:47,567
And ideas and success stories and connect.

1128
00:50:48,367 --> 00:50:52,100
About historic preservations, 10:00 AM in city hall.

1129
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,100
So we're looking forward to that event.

1130
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:57,367
10:00 AM in this room. Yep.

1131
00:50:58,867 --> 00:51:03,033
I think there's about 25 people signed up, so that'll

1132
00:51:03,033 --> 00:51:04,100
be a pretty good attendance.

1133
00:51:08,900 --> 00:51:09,133
Anything else?

1134
00:51:10,100 --> 00:51:12,033
Ms. Perry. I don't know if the whole board got

1135
00:51:12,033 --> 00:51:14,734
it, but we were also invited to a training from.

1136
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:19,066
I'm gonna forget the town name. Thank you, Bedford.

1137
00:51:19,834 --> 00:51:21,634
I don't know if anybody was able to attend their

1138
00:51:21,634 --> 00:51:23,533
first one, cuz it was during the day, but there's

1139
00:51:23,533 --> 00:51:25,634
another one that is after hours.

1140
00:51:26,900 --> 00:51:29,000
At 6:00 PM on October 6th.

1141
00:51:29,700 --> 00:51:33,100
That hopefully we can, some of our board can join,

1142
00:51:33,166 --> 00:51:35,333
cuz I believe it was about how they rewrote their

1143
00:51:35,333 --> 00:51:37,433
ordinances and what they ran into.

1144
00:51:38,100 --> 00:51:39,533
And different things of that sort. So I think that

1145
00:51:39,533 --> 00:51:40,100
would be very.

1146
00:51:40,934 --> 00:51:43,066
Good. I think that's a Tuesday. It is. Yep. Yes.

1147
00:51:48,867 --> 00:51:49,100
Anything else?

1148
00:51:50,867 --> 00:51:52,867
Any emotions, motion to adjourn.

1149
00:51:53,700 --> 00:51:56,033
Adjourn second, all those in favor of adjournment, raise your

1150
00:51:56,033 --> 00:51:56,166
right hand.

1151
00:51:57,133 --> 00:51:59,066
Opposed. We are adjourned. Thank you.