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>> We are going to go ahead and

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with a roll call

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of folks present.

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>> And with that we are going

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to start

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with our closed session agenda.

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And I would note that although

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the 9:35 flood item has been

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noticed at time certain it will

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not be heard

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until probably 10:05. Just so

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that everyone knows,

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because we're going

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to be adjourning into closed

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session and we'll reconvene

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from closed session at 10am so

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with that I would like

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to ask if any members

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of the public wish to speak on

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the closed session calendar. I

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would like to Note that Item 7

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was withdrawn by addendum.

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Item 8 was withdrawn

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by addendum and Item 9A was

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added by addendum. So we will

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be receiving comments on 1

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through 6. 9 and 9A. Welcome,

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Duane.

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>> Good morning and good New

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Year to you. My name is Duane

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DeWitt. I'm from Roseland. On

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item number one and number two,

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each says there's a proposed

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acquisition. It doesn't state

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whether that's just for rental

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or purchase. I think you should

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let us know. And what I'm

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really concerned about is how

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Airportville is growing. It's

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essentially a unincorporated

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area that's growing as big as a

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town. There's lots of building

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that's gone up there. There's

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lots of traffic on the roads

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now. I would propose that you

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folks look into the idea of

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getting some housing up there.

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Specifically, there are veteran

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vouchers. They're called HUD

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Housing Urban Development,

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Veterans Affairs Supportive

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Housing for the homeless.

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There's over 90

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of them available right now

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in the county of Sonoma. And

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it's basically overseen

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by the city of Santa Rosa.

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This morning I'll go from here

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to Vet Connect over at the

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Vets Memorial Building and

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double check

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on the number that's available.

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The dilemma is getting people

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to actually work together from

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the various governmental

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agencies, the federal

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government, which issues the

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vouchers, the city of Santa

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Rosa, which oversees them,

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and the county of Sonoma, which

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can actually show where some

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new housing could be built

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perhaps. If you will remember,

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Windsor used a number

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of veterans vouchers

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to build a new housing complex

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for veterans there. So I hope

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the city. Excuse me,

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I'm already calling Airport

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Villa a city. How silly

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of me. It's an unincorporated

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area. You folks could be the

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ones to take the lead on

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to get some housing up there.

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Even if it's just 10 or 12

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housing units,

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it really helps. Right now,

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even though Caritas has been

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built and Catholic Charities is

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helping to have homeless here

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in Santa Rosa, there's still

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dozens of people out here

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on the streets

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on these cold nights, sleeping

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under the underpasses and just

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in general not having a

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comfortable life. I would not

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like to see any veteran be in

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that situation. I wish you a

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good new year. I'll be back

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for the next meeting and

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for public comment later

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in the day.

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>> Thank you so much, Duane.

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>> My pleasure. You're not

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getting up, are you?

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>> I think we're the same

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height. Yeah.

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>> Good morning.

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>> Good morning, members

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of the board. Happy New Year.

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Ryan Williams with SEIU 10-1.

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I'm here to speak about items

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1 and 2. SEIU 10-1 is opposed

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to the purchase

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of the airport buildings

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at this moment in time. We

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raised concerns back in August

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after this was raised and this

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was moving forward. We do not

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believe that this is right now

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the best use

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of taxpayer dollars. We do not.

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public that there was any kind

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of request

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for proposal or a outreach done

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to different commercial real

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estate properties

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in the greater Santa Rosa area

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to consider the valuation

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of 400 aviation compared to

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other assets that could be

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potentially available within

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city limits or just outside

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city limits. 400 aviation right

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now is. Was

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in the lease agreement,

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has an exclusive three year

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within county. The county can

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delay this does not need

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to move forward. They can

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continue to do outreach to

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compare what other real estate

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is potentially available. We

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are not asking for a delay

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in the process here

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on construction, rebuilding the

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county complex or anything

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to change

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from the meeting in, in

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August. But we do not believe

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right now that 400 aviation is

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the best use

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of taxpayer dollars. In

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particular when the county

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values it at approximately $40

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million and other fair market

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valuations also has it

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at approximately $40 million.

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Yet the county is scheduled

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to purchase it at $56 million.

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That is real money that can go

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priorities that we. You just

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heard from this last Friday and

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what happens with the Trump

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administration. And so that is

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with 400 aviation in regards

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to Brickway, this board of

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supervisors should have eyes

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open on who the true owners of

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that building is and whether

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that is the best use or the

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proper use of taxpayer dollars

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to go to those individuals

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within that investment shell

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Corporation. Thank you.

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once, going twice. Jack, do you

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want to chime in or? Okay.

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great. All right. With that,

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we are going

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to go ahead and adjourn

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into closed session. We will

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return at 10am See you all

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soon.

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>> Chair Hopkins, we

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are ready to begin.

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>> Thank you so much. So we are

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back from our closed session,

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and we are going to start

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with a Spanish translation

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announcement from CEO Rivera.

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>> Thank you so

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much. And with that, I would

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ask, how about Jack Buckhorn

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lead us in the pledge

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of allegiance this morning?

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>> Ready, begin.

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>> I pledge allegiance

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to the flag of the United

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States of America and

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to the republic

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for which it stands,

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one nation under God,

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indivisible,

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with liberty and justice

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for all.

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>> And that will bring us

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to the approval

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of the agenda. Item number

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seven and item number eight

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were both withdrawn

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by addendum. And item number

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nine A was added by addendum.

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So do we have a motion

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on the approval

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of agenda this morning?

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>> Motion

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to approve the agenda.

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>> Great. All

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in favor say aye.

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>> Aye.

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>> Any opposed or abstain?

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that does carry unanimously.

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to the consent calendar. And

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first, I would ask my

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colleagues if there are any

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questions or items that are

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requested be pulled

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from the consent calendar.

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Supervisor Gore.

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>> Yeah. Thank you very much,

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Chair Hopkins. Happy New

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Year. Happy New Year, everybody

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who's been here. Item number

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14, adjustment to the living

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wage hourly rate. I just wanted

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to make sure that I stated once

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again, and we all are in

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agreement and acknowledgement,

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that when we decided

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to take this action

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to amend our contracts,

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and every time we do it going

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forward, county contracts that

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go predominantly

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to private businesses or

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to nonprofits for delivering,

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by and large, county programs

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and services is that we have

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to own the cost of that. We've

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received quite a few notes

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recently over the last week.

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We did have. When staff

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presented this living wage

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proposal and we decided to go

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for the highest rate that we

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could at that time and decided

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to move into that area,

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we knew and we had

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to assume that we were going

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to have to amend our contracts

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to justify that increased cost.

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There are some nonprofits and

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others that are concerned that

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this would trigger them

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with their other contracts

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to pay higher. I think there's

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a process that can always be

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followed to see

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about how that resolves itself.

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But I do want to state, once

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again, that when I voted

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for this and when the rest

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of the individuals, I think,

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on this board voted for this,

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we knew there was going

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to be a cost. So my question is

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really to the county

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administrator is that as we

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look at this taking effect

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with contract renewals or lead

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in or how long it takes for it

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to happen is I'm assuming this

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is going to be reflected

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in our annual budget

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for contracting, and we have

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to account for it when we come

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into June of this year and

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maybe project some things out.

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But I just want to say that

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with open eyes,

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acknowledgement, and also, I

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think, request that there's

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continued conversations between

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the county administrator's

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office and our especially

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nonprofit partners that are

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writing us so that. So that we

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acknowledge their input. And we

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acknowledge that if it's hard

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to figure

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out this transition,

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that's one thing,

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that we work towards it.

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But if on the other side. If

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they're worried

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about us implementing it,

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we're still voting to implement

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it is what I'm doing this year

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today with this being

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on the consent calendar. Thank

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you.

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>> CEO Rivera, any comments

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in terms of the impact

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to the budget?

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>> Thank you for that, Chair

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Hopkins. Definitely. I estimate

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our community partners and even

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our private partners will take

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that into account when they're

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negotiating with us. And

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at the end of the day, it may

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be possible or a potential

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scenario. Is that not only

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that. Yes, we will negotiate

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with that understanding

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in mind. And the capacity

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of funding is not elastic.

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Right? So it may be that our

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contracts may be

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of greater amount because

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of the cost

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of the living wage, but it may

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have to fit a lesser scope

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of service in order

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to stay within, especially

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within our state and federal

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funding, that it does not, you

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know, flex when we make those

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changes.

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>> I think we've said it time

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and again, but, you know,

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from my perspective is, you

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know, focusing

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on raising the wage floor in

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this county and owning our

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procurement is an important

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part of everything. Thank you.

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>> Thank you, Supervisor

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Rabbitt.

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>> Thank you for that. And

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thank you for pointing out, I

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mean,

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obviously there's consequences

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to increasing the cost

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of doing business. You're

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either going to provide the

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less service or you're going

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to have higher costs. So not

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unanticipated, if I may,

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and I know through the chair,

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I'm going to vote no today

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on consent item number 12. And

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I clearly want to communicate

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why I'm taking the vote. I am

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this has to do

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with tourism impact funds.

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They were originally,

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in my opinion, established to

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meet the unique and urgent

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needs, as the staff report

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says, of unincorporated

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Sonoma County and may be used

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for activities such as safety

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improvement,

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environmental impact

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mitigation, public safety, and

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other tourism mitigation

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activities. It's the second

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part of the allowances that I

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really do have issues with.

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Funds may also be used for

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projects that benefit the

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community or support

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organization that coordinate

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community improvements, such as

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municipal advisory councils and

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whatnot. What happens is an

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inequitable distribution

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of discretionary funds

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allocated to each supervisorial

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district or more importantly,

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to a large percentage

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of the county. And until we fix

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that and truly have tourism

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impact funds address tourism

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impacts as opposed to other,

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you know, programs that I don't

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have a problem with. If the

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funding source was different,

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such as HIV nutrition program,

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well, deserving. But is it a

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tourism impact or group therapy

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workshops for health workers,

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Great program. Hard to argue

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that it's a tourism impact. So

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until we kind

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of straighten that out and

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really have an equitable

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distribution of funds,

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I'm going to be voting no on

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those items as they come

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forward. Thank you.

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>> Any other comments

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from my colleagues? I would

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like to note that one

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of the biggest challenges

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with the tourism industry in

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west county is the tremendous

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income disparity that we

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experience where we have folks

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driving in cars that cost more

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than our employees make

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in five years. And that we try

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to invest tourism impact funds

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into our employees who work

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in the tourism industry,

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our workforce who really,

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really struggle to pay rent and

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far too often live literally

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in trailers

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in floodplains and don't have

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$200 to call a tow truck

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to actually flee

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from the rising waters. And

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that also makes me excited that

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we are passing this living wage

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ordinance because even though

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it's just a step towards a true

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living wage, which is probably

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$35 or $40 an hour in Sonoma

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County to be able

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to afford the cost

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of living here. That that will

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put us on a trajectory of

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greater equity and less severe

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income inequality

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in our community. And

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with that, I would ask if there

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are any members

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of the public who wish

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to comment on calendar,

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which is items 10 through 30

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today. You will have two

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minutes. Welcome, Duane.

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>> Hello, My name is Duane

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Dewitt. I'm from Roseland. I

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wanted to thank you

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for number 10. I'm a member

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of that veterans group, and

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it's very important that we get

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these opportunities

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to do a veterans event there

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on the 22nd of February. Do any

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of you folks remember what that

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used to be Washington's

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birthday. Nothing

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01:16:29,100 --> 01:16:31,100
but a good time back

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in the old days anyway. Along

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with that, I support Mr.

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Rabbitt's comments about the

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tourism funds not being

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appropriately,

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perhaps dispersed. Then as we

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go further on number 13, I'd

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like to volunteer to be

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on that oversight committee

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for measure H. And I know you

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folks would welcome my presence

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there. That's why I'm here

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01:16:52,100 --> 01:16:53,100
to ask. And you could also put

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me on the measure M oversight

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committee too,

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when you get that next opening.

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No one ever reaches out

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01:16:59,100 --> 01:17:00,100
to me though. I come here

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to volunteer my time and effort

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01:17:02,100 --> 01:17:04,100
to help our community. Last,

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01:17:04,100 --> 01:17:05,100
not least, that was wonderful

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01:17:05,100 --> 01:17:07,100
what the chair woman just said

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about the living wages

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in our community back

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01:17:12,100 --> 01:17:13,100
in the day, growing up here,

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you could live on $1.75. My

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01:17:15,100 --> 01:17:18,100
first jobs were getting paid

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that and I was able to live

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01:17:20,100 --> 01:17:22,100
on that. Now it's gotten so

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out of hand that people need

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01:17:23,100 --> 01:17:25,100
to make a lot of money just

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to be able to be here. Young

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people are moving away.

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They're not getting the

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opportunity to stay. And that's

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because the affordable housing

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that we talk about building

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01:17:35,100 --> 01:17:36,100
isn't necessarily just

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for the extremely low income,

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the low income, very low

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01:17:40,100 --> 01:17:43,100
income, you've been throwing in

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the moderate term and allowing

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01:17:45,100 --> 01:17:46,100
that money

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to go towards that. You should

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actually make any affordable

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monies

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for affordable housing, be

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for the lowest level for when

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01:17:54,100 --> 01:17:55,100
those teenagers are getting

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out of high school and trying

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01:17:56,100 --> 01:17:58,100
to have a studio apartment here

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01:17:58,100 --> 01:17:59,100
in Santa Rosa. It's running

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01:17:59,100 --> 01:18:01,100
about $3,000 a month. It's out

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01:18:01,100 --> 01:18:03,100
of hand. So let's help get true

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01:18:03,100 --> 01:18:05,100
affordable housing

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01:18:06,100 --> 01:18:08,100
on the ground

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at the lowest levels for those

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01:18:10,100 --> 01:18:11,100
who have the least amount

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01:18:11,100 --> 01:18:13,100
of money. Thank you kindly

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for your time. Good New Year.

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01:18:16,100 --> 01:18:17,100
>> Thank you very much.

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Welcome.

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>> Yes, good morning,

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Honorable chair Hopkins,

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Supervisors, county staff. My

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name is Jack Buckhorn,

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Executive director of the

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North Bay Labor Council. And I

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01:18:28,100 --> 01:18:29,100
hope to make these comments the

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01:18:29,100 --> 01:18:31,100
shortest that you might hear

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01:18:31,100 --> 01:18:32,100
from me all year. I'm here just

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01:18:32,100 --> 01:18:33,100
to thank you

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01:18:33,100 --> 01:18:35,100
for all the work that we've

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done on the living wage

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ordinance together. I

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01:18:38,100 --> 01:18:39,100
especially want to point

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01:18:39,100 --> 01:18:40,100
out your staff, Christelle and

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01:18:40,100 --> 01:18:42,100
Yvonne, who have been exemplary

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and fantastic communicators

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01:18:43,100 --> 01:18:45,100
with us,

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01:18:45,100 --> 01:18:47,100
really couldn't have asked

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01:18:47,100 --> 01:18:48,100
for a better process. And we

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01:18:48,100 --> 01:18:50,100
know it's taken a long time.

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01:18:50,100 --> 01:18:52,100
Ten years ago we started this

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01:18:52,100 --> 01:18:54,100
and the latest round has been

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01:18:54,100 --> 01:18:56,100
four years delayed by Covid.

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But we've made it

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to the finish line. And I do

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01:19:02,100 --> 01:19:03,100
sincerely want

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to thank each and every one

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01:19:04,100 --> 01:19:06,100
of you for the help

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01:19:06,100 --> 01:19:07,100
in raising the floor for the

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01:19:07,100 --> 01:19:09,100
lowest paid workers that the

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01:19:09,100 --> 01:19:10,100
county contracts with. So,

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thank you.

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01:19:13,100 --> 01:19:15,100
>> Thank you very much.

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Welcome.

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>> Good morning, Board of

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Supervisors. My name is

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Elizabeth Hernandez and I'm the

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director of Operations and

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clinical services for

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Progress Foundation. I

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01:19:24,100 --> 01:19:26,100
referenced the living wage

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01:19:26,100 --> 01:19:27,100
ordinance last Friday in

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Sebastopol and I'm here today

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that if it's increased and it

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01:19:30,100 --> 01:19:31,100
sounds like it will be,

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01:19:31,100 --> 01:19:32,100
we want to ensure that the

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board is ensuring community

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01:19:34,100 --> 01:19:35,100
based organizations will

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01:19:35,100 --> 01:19:36,100
receive a contract increase

591
01:19:36,100 --> 01:19:37,100
that is commensurate

592
01:19:37,100 --> 01:19:39,100
with the cost to employers

593
01:19:39,100 --> 01:19:40,100
for implementation. I want to

594
01:19:40,100 --> 01:19:41,100
emphasize that we recognize the

595
01:19:41,100 --> 01:19:43,100
ever increasing cost of living

596
01:19:43,100 --> 01:19:44,100
in the Bay Area and we are

597
01:19:44,100 --> 01:19:45,100
fully in support

598
01:19:45,100 --> 01:19:47,100
of our staff and those working

599
01:19:47,100 --> 01:19:48,100
at this hourly wage receive an

600
01:19:48,100 --> 01:19:49,100
increase in pay. We are

601
01:19:49,100 --> 01:19:51,100
in support. Progress foundation

602
01:19:51,100 --> 01:19:53,100
is a nonprofit agency that has

603
01:19:53,100 --> 01:19:54,100
provided behavioral health

604
01:19:54,100 --> 01:19:56,100
services in Sonoma County

605
01:19:56,100 --> 01:19:57,100
for the past 15 years. We're

606
01:19:57,100 --> 01:19:59,100
contracted by the Department

607
01:19:59,100 --> 01:20:00,100
of Health services to provide

608
01:20:00,100 --> 01:20:02,100
32 beds of crisis and

609
01:20:02,100 --> 01:20:03,100
residential treatment and those

610
01:20:03,100 --> 01:20:04,100
services are provided 24 7,

611
01:20:04,100 --> 01:20:06,100
365 days a year. Due

612
01:20:06,100 --> 01:20:08,100
to regulatory requirements

613
01:20:08,100 --> 01:20:10,100
by licensing and certification,

614
01:20:10,100 --> 01:20:12,100
staff to client ratios must be

615
01:20:12,100 --> 01:20:13,100
maintained and services cannot

616
01:20:13,100 --> 01:20:14,100
be scaled down. Increase

617
01:20:14,100 --> 01:20:16,100
in living wage to 2315 will

618
01:20:16,100 --> 01:20:18,100
result in an 18 and a half

619
01:20:18,100 --> 01:20:20,100
increase in the starting wage

620
01:20:20,100 --> 01:20:22,100
for our per DM relief

621
01:20:22,100 --> 01:20:24,100
counselors who represent a

622
01:20:24,100 --> 01:20:25,100
significant part of our

623
01:20:25,100 --> 01:20:26,100
staffing imprint and provide

624
01:20:26,100 --> 01:20:27,100
coverage

625
01:20:27,100 --> 01:20:29,100
for our full time counselors.

626
01:20:29,100 --> 01:20:30,100
Furthermore, an increase

627
01:20:30,100 --> 01:20:31,100
in the living wage will result

628
01:20:31,100 --> 01:20:32,100
in an 8% increase

629
01:20:32,100 --> 01:20:33,100
in the starting wage

630
01:20:33,100 --> 01:20:35,100
for our full time counselors.

631
01:20:35,100 --> 01:20:36,100
Both employee classifications

632
01:20:36,100 --> 01:20:37,100
are union represented and

633
01:20:37,100 --> 01:20:38,100
follow a step system

634
01:20:38,100 --> 01:20:40,100
for wages. Once the living

635
01:20:40,100 --> 01:20:41,100
wages increase, salaries across

636
01:20:41,100 --> 01:20:43,100
the steps will be impacted and

637
01:20:43,100 --> 01:20:44,100
salary scales must be adjusted

638
01:20:44,100 --> 01:20:45,100
to protect

639
01:20:45,100 --> 01:20:47,100
against wage compression. This

640
01:20:47,100 --> 01:20:48,100
increase will have a

641
01:20:48,100 --> 01:20:49,100
significant impact on the cost

642
01:20:49,100 --> 01:20:51,100
to provide services in Sonoma

643
01:20:51,100 --> 01:20:52,100
County. We're already facing

644
01:20:52,100 --> 01:20:53,100
increasing operational cost

645
01:20:53,100 --> 01:20:55,100
pressures

646
01:20:55,100 --> 01:20:56,100
in our food and insurance,

647
01:20:56,100 --> 01:20:57,100
particularly in health benefits

648
01:20:57,100 --> 01:20:58,100
and property insurance and

649
01:20:58,100 --> 01:21:00,100
anticipate ongoing pressures

650
01:21:00,100 --> 01:21:01,100
in the area

651
01:21:01,100 --> 01:21:03,100
in these upcoming years. We

652
01:21:03,100 --> 01:21:04,100
reiterate, we understand and

653
01:21:04,100 --> 01:21:06,401
fully support ensuring our

654
01:21:07,100 --> 01:21:08,100
frontline workers are living

655
01:21:08,100 --> 01:21:09,100
earning a livable wage and also

656
01:21:09,100 --> 01:21:11,100
acknowledge we must consider

657
01:21:11,100 --> 01:21:12,100
the impact such a sudden and

658
01:21:12,100 --> 01:21:14,100
significant increase could have

659
01:21:14,100 --> 01:21:15,100
on nonprofit providers who are

660
01:21:15,100 --> 01:21:16,100
already focused on providing

661
01:21:16,100 --> 01:21:17,100
cost effective services. Thank

662
01:21:17,100 --> 01:21:19,100
you.

663
01:21:19,100 --> 01:21:21,100
>> Thank you. Are there any

664
01:21:21,100 --> 01:21:22,100
other members

665
01:21:22,100 --> 01:21:23,100
of public who wish

666
01:21:23,100 --> 01:21:25,401
to comment? Good morning.

667
01:21:31,100 --> 01:21:32,100
>> Good morning. Marty

668
01:21:32,100 --> 01:21:34,100
Bennett. Unite here Local 2 and

669
01:21:34,100 --> 01:21:37,100
North Bay Labor Council. I want

670
01:21:37,100 --> 01:21:38,100
to thank the board again

671
01:21:38,100 --> 01:21:41,100
for moving Forward to approve

672
01:21:43,100 --> 01:21:45,100
$23.15 an hour

673
01:21:45,100 --> 01:21:47,100
of increased living wage rate

674
01:21:47,100 --> 01:21:48,100
on a consent calendar. I want

675
01:21:48,100 --> 01:21:50,100
to remind you that the increase

676
01:21:50,100 --> 01:21:54,100
of the living wage base rate is

677
01:21:54,100 --> 01:21:56,100
effectively phased in. It only

678
01:21:56,100 --> 01:21:58,100
applies when new or renewed

679
01:21:58,100 --> 01:22:00,100
contracts are awarded. Based

680
01:22:00,100 --> 01:22:01,100
on some of the comments

681
01:22:01,100 --> 01:22:03,401
from department heads, I

682
01:22:06,100 --> 01:22:07,100
believe that the cost increase

683
01:22:07,100 --> 01:22:10,100
exceed what for what the actual

684
01:22:10,100 --> 01:22:13,601
costs are going to be. Why?

685
01:22:14,100 --> 01:22:16,100
Because 100% of the living wage

686
01:22:16,100 --> 01:22:18,100
increase is not passed on

687
01:22:18,100 --> 01:22:20,100
to the consumer or

688
01:22:20,100 --> 01:22:22,100
in this case, the county. The

689
01:22:22,100 --> 01:22:24,100
accepted methodology amongst

690
01:22:24,100 --> 01:22:26,100
economists who specialize

691
01:22:26,100 --> 01:22:27,100
in the field of living wage and

692
01:22:27,100 --> 01:22:29,100
minimum wage increases is to

693
01:22:29,100 --> 01:22:31,100
calculate all the ways

694
01:22:31,100 --> 01:22:33,100
employers adjust, including

695
01:22:33,100 --> 01:22:34,100
lower hiring and training costs

696
01:22:34,100 --> 01:22:36,100
due to the higher worker

697
01:22:36,100 --> 01:22:38,100
retention rates,

698
01:22:38,100 --> 01:22:40,100
a slight reduction of profits

699
01:22:40,100 --> 01:22:42,401
and marginal price increases.

700
01:22:43,100 --> 01:22:45,100
Higher retention rates also

701
01:22:45,100 --> 01:22:47,100
increase worker training and

702
01:22:47,100 --> 01:22:49,100
skills, yielding higher

703
01:22:50,100 --> 01:22:51,100
productivity,

704
01:22:51,100 --> 01:22:53,100
enabling employers

705
01:22:53,100 --> 01:22:55,100
to absorb part

706
01:22:55,100 --> 01:22:56,100
of the living wage increase.

707
01:22:56,100 --> 01:22:58,100
Using this methodology,

708
01:23:01,100 --> 01:23:02,100
you see economists in a recent

709
01:23:02,100 --> 01:23:04,100
report estimated that the

710
01:23:04,100 --> 01:23:05,100
impacts

711
01:23:05,100 --> 01:23:07,100
of increasing the minimum wage

712
01:23:07,100 --> 01:23:08,100
to $20 an hour for 550,000

713
01:23:08,100 --> 01:23:10,100
California Fast Workers

714
01:23:10,100 --> 01:23:11,100
employed by large trains,

715
01:23:11,100 --> 01:23:14,100
which was a $4 an hour raise

716
01:23:14,100 --> 01:23:17,100
for the typical worker, the

717
01:23:18,100 --> 01:23:20,401
highest minimum wage increase

718
01:23:21,100 --> 01:23:22,100
in recent American history.

719
01:23:22,100 --> 01:23:24,100
They found that employment

720
01:23:24,100 --> 01:23:26,100
levels remained stable

721
01:23:26,100 --> 01:23:28,100
in industry. Menu prices rose

722
01:23:28,100 --> 01:23:30,100
by about 3% or 15 cents

723
01:23:30,100 --> 01:23:32,100
for the typical $4 hamburger.

724
01:23:32,100 --> 01:23:34,401
Thank you so much.

725
01:23:40,100 --> 01:23:42,100
>> Thank you. Welcome.

726
01:23:43,100 --> 01:23:44,100
>> Thank you. Janice Carmen,

727
01:23:44,100 --> 01:23:45,100
Santa Rosa thank you

728
01:23:45,100 --> 01:23:46,100
for the good meeting on

729
01:23:46,100 --> 01:23:47,100
Friday. It was nice

730
01:23:47,100 --> 01:23:48,100
to see everyone and my kudos

731
01:23:48,100 --> 01:23:51,100
to the food staff. It was

732
01:23:51,100 --> 01:23:53,100
beautiful, was well presented

733
01:23:53,100 --> 01:23:54,100
and it was delicious. Anyway,

734
01:23:54,100 --> 01:23:56,100
moving on. I'm glad I arrived

735
01:23:56,100 --> 01:23:58,100
when I did. I support the rise

736
01:23:58,100 --> 01:24:01,100
in the minimum wage to 23.15. I

737
01:24:01,100 --> 01:24:03,100
think it's a great idea. And I

738
01:24:03,100 --> 01:24:05,100
talk with a lot of people,

739
01:24:05,100 --> 01:24:07,100
a lot of merchants, a lot

740
01:24:07,100 --> 01:24:09,100
of business owners. There's a

741
01:24:09,100 --> 01:24:11,100
lot of people that are leaving

742
01:24:11,100 --> 01:24:13,100
again and it's going

743
01:24:13,100 --> 01:24:15,100
to be sad. The people that stay

744
01:24:15,100 --> 01:24:16,100
are in it. They know it costs

745
01:24:16,100 --> 01:24:18,100
more to live here. It's harder

746
01:24:18,100 --> 01:24:19,100
to live here. But while we were

747
01:24:19,100 --> 01:24:20,100
having a meeting on a lot

748
01:24:20,100 --> 01:24:22,100
of the issues,

749
01:24:22,100 --> 01:24:23,100
which are very huge in Sonoma

750
01:24:23,100 --> 01:24:25,100
County, LA was burning.

751
01:24:25,100 --> 01:24:28,601
We don't want to burn again.

752
01:24:29,100 --> 01:24:31,100
And we really have to pay

753
01:24:31,100 --> 01:24:32,100
with investment of time,

754
01:24:32,100 --> 01:24:34,100
energy, money and knowledge

755
01:24:34,100 --> 01:24:36,100
of the facts

756
01:24:37,100 --> 01:24:38,100
of what's going on. I

757
01:24:38,100 --> 01:24:41,601
know most of you, or some

758
01:24:42,100 --> 01:24:43,100
of you, at least previously,

759
01:24:43,100 --> 01:24:45,100
I know a good part of the

760
01:24:45,100 --> 01:24:47,100
Sonoma County workforce come

761
01:24:47,100 --> 01:24:48,100
from Sonoma State. It's good

762
01:24:48,100 --> 01:24:50,100
to get out of the boat,

763
01:24:50,100 --> 01:24:52,100
see what other people are

764
01:24:52,100 --> 01:24:53,100
doing, how they're preventing

765
01:24:53,100 --> 01:24:54,100
fires, how they're preventing

766
01:24:54,100 --> 01:24:56,100
flooding, et cetera. And we

767
01:24:56,100 --> 01:24:57,100
can't continue to build on

768
01:24:57,100 --> 01:24:59,100
every green space that we see.

769
01:24:59,100 --> 01:25:00,100
Anyway, that's all I'm going

770
01:25:00,100 --> 01:25:03,100
to say. But I don't want the

771
01:25:03,100 --> 01:25:05,100
people leaving. I want the

772
01:25:05,100 --> 01:25:06,100
people to stay,

773
01:25:06,100 --> 01:25:07,100
and I want them to feel like

774
01:25:07,100 --> 01:25:08,100
they can be here and be well

775
01:25:08,100 --> 01:25:10,100
paid.

776
01:25:11,100 --> 01:25:12,100
>> The consent calendar thank

777
01:25:12,100 --> 01:25:14,100
you.

778
01:25:16,100 --> 01:25:17,100
>> Welcome Chair and Board of

779
01:25:17,100 --> 01:25:19,100
Supervisors, Ryan Williams

780
01:25:19,100 --> 01:25:21,100
with SDIU 10-1. Today I stand

781
01:25:21,100 --> 01:25:22,100
with my colleagues from the

782
01:25:22,100 --> 01:25:23,100
North Bay Labor Council

783
01:25:23,100 --> 01:25:25,100
in support and thanking you

784
01:25:25,100 --> 01:25:26,100
of item 14

785
01:25:26,100 --> 01:25:27,100
on the living wage ordinance.

786
01:25:27,100 --> 01:25:28,100
Ever since I've been

787
01:25:28,100 --> 01:25:30,100
with SEIU 10-1,

788
01:25:30,100 --> 01:25:31,100
for the past three years,

789
01:25:31,100 --> 01:25:33,100
I've been working

790
01:25:33,100 --> 01:25:35,100
on this issue with the Labor

791
01:25:35,100 --> 01:25:36,100
Council and

792
01:25:36,100 --> 01:25:37,100
with several members

793
01:25:37,100 --> 01:25:38,100
of the board. And we just want

794
01:25:38,100 --> 01:25:39,100
to say thank you. This has been

795
01:25:39,100 --> 01:25:40,100
a long time coming. This is

796
01:25:40,100 --> 01:25:42,100
at the forefront

797
01:25:42,100 --> 01:25:45,100
of showing a good use

798
01:25:45,100 --> 01:25:46,100
of taxpayer dollars to support

799
01:25:46,100 --> 01:25:47,100
the low wage workers that do

800
01:25:47,100 --> 01:25:48,100
tremendous work. As mentioned

801
01:25:48,100 --> 01:25:51,100
by our nonprofit ally here,

802
01:25:51,100 --> 01:25:54,100
this is a tremendous step

803
01:25:54,100 --> 01:25:57,100
forward. So thank you all for

804
01:25:57,100 --> 01:25:58,100
your support and we continue

805
01:25:58,100 --> 01:26:00,401
looking forward on working

806
01:26:01,100 --> 01:26:03,100
to implement this

807
01:26:03,100 --> 01:26:05,100
with you.

808
01:26:05,100 --> 01:26:07,100
>> Thank you very much. Are

809
01:26:07,100 --> 01:26:08,100
there any other members

810
01:26:08,100 --> 01:26:09,100
of the public who wish

811
01:26:09,100 --> 01:26:11,100
to comment on this item?

812
01:26:11,100 --> 01:26:12,100
Seeing none,

813
01:26:12,100 --> 01:26:13,100
I will bring it back

814
01:26:13,100 --> 01:26:14,100
to my colleagues for any final

815
01:26:14,100 --> 01:26:16,100
remarks or a motion to approve

816
01:26:16,100 --> 01:26:18,100
the consent calendar.

817
01:26:21,100 --> 01:26:23,100
>> I just wanted

818
01:26:23,100 --> 01:26:24,100
to reflect at one point

819
01:26:24,100 --> 01:26:26,100
on my first year

820
01:26:26,100 --> 01:26:27,100
on the board when I was

821
01:26:27,100 --> 01:26:28,100
on the living wage ad hoc. I

822
01:26:28,100 --> 01:26:29,100
just remember having late night

823
01:26:29,100 --> 01:26:31,100
screaming matches on the phone

824
01:26:31,100 --> 01:26:32,100
with Marty Bennett. And

825
01:26:32,100 --> 01:26:33,100
it's pretty amazing

826
01:26:33,100 --> 01:26:35,100
to be here. And I say that

827
01:26:35,100 --> 01:26:37,100
with passion. You know,

828
01:26:37,100 --> 01:26:39,100
that's. That's what it is. So

829
01:26:39,100 --> 01:26:41,100
just acknowledging how far

830
01:26:41,100 --> 01:26:42,100
we've come, but also

831
01:26:42,100 --> 01:26:44,100
for the lowest wage workers

832
01:26:44,100 --> 01:26:45,100
in our county. And I appreciate

833
01:26:45,100 --> 01:26:47,100
that. So thank you all very

834
01:26:47,100 --> 01:26:49,100
much. Happy

835
01:26:49,100 --> 01:26:50,100
to move the consent calendar.

836
01:26:50,100 --> 01:26:52,100
So, so moved.

837
01:26:52,100 --> 01:26:53,100
>> Great. Thank you. And we

838
01:26:53,100 --> 01:26:55,100
have a motion. Do we have a

839
01:26:55,100 --> 01:26:57,100
second, Supervisor Coursey?

840
01:26:58,100 --> 01:26:59,100
>> I'll second. And I just want

841
01:26:59,100 --> 01:27:01,100
to say that I'll support number

842
01:27:01,100 --> 01:27:03,100
12 today. I look forward to

843
01:27:03,100 --> 01:27:04,100
the board is having a workshop

844
01:27:04,100 --> 01:27:05,100
on tourism impact grant funding

845
01:27:05,100 --> 01:27:07,100
in February. February 22nd,

846
01:27:07,100 --> 01:27:09,100
I believe it is. And I look

847
01:27:09,100 --> 01:27:12,100
forward to that. Second the

848
01:27:13,100 --> 01:27:15,100
motion.

849
01:27:15,100 --> 01:27:16,100
>> Thank you. And we will take

850
01:27:16,100 --> 01:27:17,100
a roll call vote because

851
01:27:17,100 --> 01:27:18,100
Supervisor Rabbitt will have a

852
01:27:18,100 --> 01:27:20,100
dissenting vote.

853
01:27:20,100 --> 01:27:22,100
>> So this is

854
01:27:25,100 --> 01:27:27,100
for 10, 11, 13 through 30,

855
01:27:27,100 --> 01:27:29,100
excluding 12.

856
01:27:29,100 --> 01:27:30,100
>> I think we can

857
01:27:30,100 --> 01:27:31,100
include 12. And then he'll just

858
01:27:31,100 --> 01:27:33,100
note that he's voting no

859
01:27:33,100 --> 01:27:35,100
on that.

860
01:27:35,100 --> 01:27:37,100
[ CALLING ROLL ]

861
01:27:53,100 --> 01:27:54,100
>> All right.

862
01:27:54,100 --> 01:27:56,100
And with that,

863
01:27:56,100 --> 01:27:57,100
we will go ahead and move on

864
01:27:57,100 --> 01:27:58,100
to our first item of the day,

865
01:27:58,100 --> 01:28:00,100
which we presented by Permit

866
01:28:00,100 --> 01:28:01,100
Sonoma. Thank you all so much

867
01:28:01,100 --> 01:28:02,100
for coming

868
01:28:02,100 --> 01:28:05,100
for the consent calendar. So

869
01:28:08,100 --> 01:28:09,100
item 31. I apologize

870
01:28:09,100 --> 01:28:10,100
to those members

871
01:28:10,100 --> 01:28:12,100
of the public who are

872
01:28:12,100 --> 01:28:13,100
in the audience waiting

873
01:28:13,100 --> 01:28:14,100
for this item. It was 9:35. We

874
01:28:14,100 --> 01:28:15,100
re noticed it

875
01:28:15,100 --> 01:28:16,100
at 10:10 and we're a little bit

876
01:28:16,100 --> 01:28:18,100
behind the times, but thanks

877
01:28:18,100 --> 01:28:21,100
for your patience. Scott, will

878
01:28:36,100 --> 01:28:37,100
you be introducing the item?

879
01:28:37,100 --> 01:28:38,100
Great.

880
01:28:38,100 --> 01:28:40,100
>> Yes. Good morning, Chair

881
01:28:40,100 --> 01:28:41,100
Hopkins, members

882
01:28:41,100 --> 01:28:42,100
of the board. So what we have

883
01:28:42,100 --> 01:28:44,100
for you today is the return

884
01:28:44,100 --> 01:28:45,100
of an item from November

885
01:28:45,100 --> 01:28:48,100
looking at the flood mapping

886
01:28:48,100 --> 01:28:51,100
along lower Russian River and

887
01:28:51,100 --> 01:28:53,100
Mark West Creek. So what we're

888
01:28:53,100 --> 01:28:55,100
going to do today is the

889
01:28:55,100 --> 01:28:57,100
presentation is going to go

890
01:28:57,100 --> 01:28:59,100
through just kind

891
01:28:59,100 --> 01:29:00,100
of an overview of what the item

892
01:29:00,100 --> 01:29:01,100
is as the first part, and then

893
01:29:01,100 --> 01:29:03,100
at the end we're going to talk

894
01:29:03,100 --> 01:29:05,100
about the next steps that we're

895
01:29:05,100 --> 01:29:06,100
recommending as part

896
01:29:06,100 --> 01:29:08,100
of this overall process. So the

897
01:29:08,100 --> 01:29:10,100
decision in front

898
01:29:10,100 --> 01:29:12,100
of you today is a decision

899
01:29:12,100 --> 01:29:14,100
on the maps, but also whether

900
01:29:14,100 --> 01:29:15,100
to give direction to staff to

901
01:29:15,100 --> 01:29:17,100
bring back further discussion.

902
01:29:17,100 --> 01:29:19,100
So with that, I'll turn it

903
01:29:19,100 --> 01:29:21,100
over to Azine

904
01:29:21,100 --> 01:29:23,100
for the presentation.

905
01:29:25,100 --> 01:29:26,100
>> Good morning, Supervisors.

906
01:29:26,100 --> 01:29:27,100
My name is Azine Spalding, and

907
01:29:27,100 --> 01:29:28,100
today I'm bringing Forward file

908
01:29:28,100 --> 01:29:31,100
number ORD2411, which is the

909
01:29:31,100 --> 01:29:32,100
flood hazard realignment item,

910
01:29:32,100 --> 01:29:33,100
to amend the official zoning

911
01:29:33,100 --> 01:29:35,100
database

912
01:29:35,100 --> 01:29:36,100
to update the boundaries of the

913
01:29:36,100 --> 01:29:37,100
floodway and floodplain

914
01:29:37,100 --> 01:29:38,100
combining districts to

915
01:29:38,100 --> 01:29:39,100
to correspond to new flood

916
01:29:39,100 --> 01:29:41,100
hazard area maps adopted

917
01:29:41,100 --> 01:29:42,100
by FEMA in July of 2024. So

918
01:29:42,100 --> 01:29:43,100
today we'll be discussing the

919
01:29:43,100 --> 01:29:45,401
FEMA mapping timeline and

920
01:29:48,100 --> 01:29:49,100
process and how county

921
01:29:49,100 --> 01:29:50,100
regulations relate

922
01:29:50,100 --> 01:29:52,100
to FEMA maps. We're going

923
01:29:52,100 --> 01:29:53,100
to talk about the National

924
01:29:53,100 --> 01:29:55,100
Flood Insurance Program, along

925
01:29:55,100 --> 01:29:56,100
with its benefits and its

926
01:29:56,100 --> 01:29:57,100
requirements

927
01:29:57,100 --> 01:29:58,100
for participation,

928
01:29:58,100 --> 01:30:00,100
county regulations for flood

929
01:30:00,100 --> 01:30:01,100
hazard areas and what this

930
01:30:01,100 --> 01:30:03,100
update means for property

931
01:30:03,100 --> 01:30:04,100
owners and residents and the

932
01:30:04,100 --> 01:30:05,100
process to Change or modify

933
01:30:05,100 --> 01:30:07,100
FEMA's maps. So I'll go over

934
01:30:07,100 --> 01:30:10,100
some key terms that will

935
01:30:10,100 --> 01:30:11,100
frequently be referenced

936
01:30:11,100 --> 01:30:13,100
throughout this presentation.

937
01:30:13,100 --> 01:30:14,100
So FEMA is the Federal

938
01:30:14,100 --> 01:30:15,100
Emergency Management Agency,

939
01:30:15,100 --> 01:30:16,100
which creates flood and other

940
01:30:16,100 --> 01:30:17,100
disaster information and maps

941
01:30:17,100 --> 01:30:19,100
and provides flood insurance

942
01:30:19,100 --> 01:30:20,100
and disaster relief. The NFIP

943
01:30:20,100 --> 01:30:22,100
is the National Flood

944
01:30:22,100 --> 01:30:24,100
Insurance Program, which is a

945
01:30:24,100 --> 01:30:25,100
federal program that provides

946
01:30:25,100 --> 01:30:26,100
flood insurance

947
01:30:26,100 --> 01:30:27,100
to property owners

948
01:30:27,100 --> 01:30:28,100
in participating communities.

949
01:30:28,100 --> 01:30:30,100
The regulatory floodway is a

950
01:30:30,100 --> 01:30:32,100
channel of a river or other

951
01:30:32,100 --> 01:30:33,100
watercourse and the adjacent

952
01:30:33,100 --> 01:30:35,100
land areas that must be

953
01:30:35,100 --> 01:30:36,100
reserved

954
01:30:36,100 --> 01:30:38,100
to discharge the base flood

955
01:30:38,100 --> 01:30:39,100
without cumulatively increasing

956
01:30:39,100 --> 01:30:40,100
the water surface elevation

957
01:30:40,100 --> 01:30:42,100
more than a designated height.

958
01:30:42,100 --> 01:30:43,100
Sonoma County's floodway

959
01:30:43,100 --> 01:30:44,100
combining district corresponds

960
01:30:44,100 --> 01:30:46,100
to FEMA's mapped regulatory

961
01:30:46,100 --> 01:30:48,100
floodway. Lastly, the

962
01:30:48,100 --> 01:30:49,100
floodplain is any land area

963
01:30:49,100 --> 01:30:50,100
susceptible to being inundated

964
01:30:50,100 --> 01:30:52,100
by flood waters

965
01:30:52,100 --> 01:30:54,100
from any source. Sonoma

966
01:30:54,100 --> 01:30:55,100
County's floodplain combining

967
01:30:55,100 --> 01:30:56,100
district corresponds

968
01:30:56,100 --> 01:30:57,100
to FEMA's mapped floodplain.

969
01:30:57,100 --> 01:30:59,401
So in October 2022, FEMA

970
01:31:02,100 --> 01:31:03,100
released preliminary flood

971
01:31:03,100 --> 01:31:05,100
insurance rate maps called

972
01:31:05,100 --> 01:31:06,100
firms for public review. On

973
01:31:06,100 --> 01:31:08,100
June 22nd and 29th, 2023,

974
01:31:08,100 --> 01:31:10,100
notices of the appeal period

975
01:31:10,100 --> 01:31:12,100
for preliminary firms were

976
01:31:12,100 --> 01:31:14,401
published in the Press

977
01:31:15,100 --> 01:31:17,100
Democrat. A 90 day appeal

978
01:31:17,100 --> 01:31:18,100
period commenced between June

979
01:31:18,100 --> 01:31:19,100
29 and September 27, 2023,

980
01:31:19,100 --> 01:31:21,100
during which residents,

981
01:31:21,100 --> 01:31:23,100
residents, businesses and the

982
01:31:23,100 --> 01:31:24,100
county could appeal flood risk

983
01:31:24,100 --> 01:31:26,100
information

984
01:31:26,100 --> 01:31:27,100
on the preliminary firms. On

985
01:31:27,100 --> 01:31:29,100
July 31, 2024, FEMA published

986
01:31:29,100 --> 01:31:31,100
the final firms,

987
01:31:31,100 --> 01:31:33,100
which are no longer appealable.

988
01:31:33,100 --> 01:31:36,100
The flood maps were updated

989
01:31:36,100 --> 01:31:37,100
because the Russian river

990
01:31:37,100 --> 01:31:38,100
watershed has not been

991
01:31:38,100 --> 01:31:40,100
restudied by FEMA in over 30

992
01:31:40,100 --> 01:31:41,100
years and technological

993
01:31:41,100 --> 01:31:42,100
advances

994
01:31:42,100 --> 01:31:43,100
over time have allowed

995
01:31:43,100 --> 01:31:45,100
for higher accuracy of flood

996
01:31:45,100 --> 01:31:47,100
risk. FEMA generates these maps

997
01:31:47,100 --> 01:31:48,100
by incorporating data

998
01:31:48,100 --> 01:31:49,100
from climate science, waterway

999
01:31:49,100 --> 01:31:51,100
information, hydrological data,

1000
01:31:51,100 --> 01:31:52,100
local engineers and surveyors,

1001
01:31:52,100 --> 01:31:54,100
and land use and development

1002
01:31:54,100 --> 01:31:56,100
information. The county

1003
01:31:56,100 --> 01:31:58,100
implements FEMA maps

1004
01:31:59,100 --> 01:32:01,100
through parcel zoning by either

1005
01:32:01,100 --> 01:32:03,100
adding or removing the

1006
01:32:03,100 --> 01:32:04,100
Floodway F1 or Floodplain F2,

1007
01:32:04,100 --> 01:32:06,100
combining districts

1008
01:32:07,100 --> 01:32:09,401
to impacted parcels. This

1009
01:32:10,100 --> 01:32:11,100
rezoning is necessary to align

1010
01:32:11,100 --> 01:32:12,100
with FEMA's flood hazard maps

1011
01:32:12,100 --> 01:32:14,401
and remain in compliance

1012
01:32:15,100 --> 01:32:17,100
with the National Flood

1013
01:32:17,100 --> 01:32:18,100
Insurance program. If the F1 or

1014
01:32:18,100 --> 01:32:20,100
F2 is added to a parcel,

1015
01:32:20,100 --> 01:32:21,100
the parcel is subject to FEMA

1016
01:32:21,100 --> 01:32:23,100
regulations and building codes

1017
01:32:23,100 --> 01:32:25,100
that apply when building a new

1018
01:32:25,100 --> 01:32:27,100
structure, remodeling,

1019
01:32:27,100 --> 01:32:28,100
or making other improvements.

1020
01:32:28,100 --> 01:32:30,401
On July 31, 2024, final firms

1021
01:32:33,100 --> 01:32:34,100
for the Russian river watershed

1022
01:32:34,100 --> 01:32:36,100
were published by FEMA. On

1023
01:32:36,100 --> 01:32:38,100
October 17, 2024, the

1024
01:32:38,100 --> 01:32:40,100
Planning Commission heard

1025
01:32:40,100 --> 01:32:41,100
technical zoning Corrections,

1026
01:32:41,100 --> 01:32:43,100
which included proposed parcel

1027
01:32:43,100 --> 01:32:44,100
zoning updates to align local

1028
01:32:44,100 --> 01:32:46,100
floodway and floodplain mapping

1029
01:32:46,100 --> 01:32:48,100
with updated FEMA maps. On

1030
01:32:48,100 --> 01:32:49,100
November 12, 2024, the Board

1031
01:32:49,100 --> 01:32:50,100
of Supervisors heard the same

1032
01:32:50,100 --> 01:32:52,100
technical zoning corrections

1033
01:32:53,100 --> 01:32:54,100
item and directed staff

1034
01:32:54,100 --> 01:32:55,100
to conduct outreach with

1035
01:32:55,100 --> 01:32:56,100
affected communities and return

1036
01:32:56,100 --> 01:32:58,100
to the board in January 2025

1037
01:32:58,100 --> 01:32:59,100
for final consideration.

1038
01:32:59,100 --> 01:33:01,100
Zoning updates

1039
01:33:02,100 --> 01:33:04,100
for F1 and F2 changes

1040
01:33:04,100 --> 01:33:06,401
for all hearings, public

1041
01:33:07,100 --> 01:33:08,100
notices were sent via USPS to

1042
01:33:08,100 --> 01:33:09,100
affected property owners and

1043
01:33:09,100 --> 01:33:11,100
property owners within 300ft of

1044
01:33:11,100 --> 01:33:13,100
affected parcels and published

1045
01:33:13,100 --> 01:33:14,100
in the Press Democrat

1046
01:33:14,100 --> 01:33:15,100
with support from the Russian

1047
01:33:15,100 --> 01:33:17,401
River Chamber of Commerce

1048
01:33:18,100 --> 01:33:19,100
Permit Sonoma presented

1049
01:33:19,100 --> 01:33:21,100
to the Lower Russian River

1050
01:33:21,100 --> 01:33:22,100
Municipal Advisory Council and

1051
01:33:22,100 --> 01:33:23,100
the Mark West Area Municipal

1052
01:33:23,100 --> 01:33:24,100
Advisory Council. Permit

1053
01:33:24,100 --> 01:33:26,100
Sonoma staff also prepared an

1054
01:33:26,100 --> 01:33:28,401
interactive GIS map showing

1055
01:33:29,100 --> 01:33:30,100
current and proposed flood

1056
01:33:30,100 --> 01:33:32,100
hazard zoning

1057
01:33:32,100 --> 01:33:33,100
in affected areas. This is one

1058
01:33:33,100 --> 01:33:36,100
of four examples where there

1059
01:33:36,100 --> 01:33:37,100
have been more significant

1060
01:33:37,100 --> 01:33:39,100
changes to the flood hazard

1061
01:33:39,100 --> 01:33:40,100
area mapping. This example

1062
01:33:40,100 --> 01:33:42,100
demonstrates the change in the

1063
01:33:42,100 --> 01:33:43,100
floodway and floodplain

1064
01:33:43,100 --> 01:33:45,100
boundaries in Rio Nido with

1065
01:33:45,100 --> 01:33:46,100
current floodway and floodplain

1066
01:33:46,100 --> 01:33:47,100
boundaries shown in orange and

1067
01:33:47,100 --> 01:33:49,100
lighter orange and proposed

1068
01:33:49,100 --> 01:33:50,100
boundaries

1069
01:33:50,100 --> 01:33:52,100
in blue and lighter blue. This

1070
01:33:52,100 --> 01:33:54,401
example demonstrates the change

1071
01:33:57,100 --> 01:33:58,100
in the floodway and floodplain

1072
01:33:58,100 --> 01:34:00,100
boundaries in Guerneville.

1073
01:34:00,100 --> 01:34:01,100
Here we can see the changes

1074
01:34:01,100 --> 01:34:04,100
in Monterio and Northwood and

1075
01:34:07,100 --> 01:34:08,100
lastly changes near

1076
01:34:08,100 --> 01:34:10,401
Londonberry Drive and Wikiup

1077
01:34:13,100 --> 01:34:15,100
Drive. As I mentioned earlier,

1078
01:34:15,100 --> 01:34:17,401
the F1 combining district

1079
01:34:19,100 --> 01:34:21,100
applies to properties within

1080
01:34:21,100 --> 01:34:22,100
the regulatory floodway as

1081
01:34:22,100 --> 01:34:24,100
shown on FEMA maps. F1

1082
01:34:24,100 --> 01:34:25,100
regulations apply only

1083
01:34:25,100 --> 01:34:27,100
to portions of the parcel

1084
01:34:27,100 --> 01:34:28,100
within the F1, not necessarily

1085
01:34:28,100 --> 01:34:30,100
the entire parcel. On

1086
01:34:30,100 --> 01:34:32,100
undeveloped or vacant parcels,

1087
01:34:32,100 --> 01:34:33,100
no new permanent structures are

1088
01:34:33,100 --> 01:34:35,100
allowed within the mapped

1089
01:34:35,100 --> 01:34:37,100
floodway areas. On parcels

1090
01:34:37,100 --> 01:34:38,100
with existing structures, no

1091
01:34:38,100 --> 01:34:40,100
new permanent structures or

1092
01:34:40,100 --> 01:34:41,100
additions are allowed.

1093
01:34:41,100 --> 01:34:43,100
However, some exceptions

1094
01:34:43,100 --> 01:34:44,100
include structural elevation

1095
01:34:44,100 --> 01:34:45,100
above flood level, repairs that

1096
01:34:45,100 --> 01:34:47,100
do not increase floor area, and

1097
01:34:47,100 --> 01:34:48,100
septic and well improvements.

1098
01:34:48,100 --> 01:34:50,100
The F2 Combining District

1099
01:34:50,100 --> 01:34:52,100
applies to properties

1100
01:34:54,100 --> 01:34:56,100
within the 100 year flood

1101
01:34:56,100 --> 01:34:57,100
hazard area as shown on FEMA

1102
01:34:57,100 --> 01:34:59,100
maps. F2 regulations only apply

1103
01:34:59,100 --> 01:35:01,100
to portions of the parcel

1104
01:35:01,100 --> 01:35:02,100
within the F2, not necessarily

1105
01:35:02,100 --> 01:35:03,100
the entire parcel within the F2

1106
01:35:03,100 --> 01:35:05,100
structural development must

1107
01:35:05,100 --> 01:35:07,100
comply

1108
01:35:07,100 --> 01:35:08,100
with local building code. In

1109
01:35:08,100 --> 01:35:10,100
Sonoma County Code Chapter 7B,

1110
01:35:10,100 --> 01:35:12,100
which relates

1111
01:35:12,100 --> 01:35:14,100
to flood proofing

1112
01:35:14,100 --> 01:35:15,100
within the F2, new residential

1113
01:35:15,100 --> 01:35:16,100
structures must be elevated one

1114
01:35:16,100 --> 01:35:17,100
foot above the base flood

1115
01:35:17,100 --> 01:35:18,100
elevation and new commercial

1116
01:35:18,100 --> 01:35:20,100
structures have the option

1117
01:35:20,100 --> 01:35:21,100
to elevate or flood proof

1118
01:35:21,100 --> 01:35:23,100
to one foot above the BFE. If

1119
01:35:23,100 --> 01:35:26,100
the county does not rezone,

1120
01:35:27,100 --> 01:35:28,100
communities participating in

1121
01:35:28,100 --> 01:35:29,100
The NFIP have six months to

1122
01:35:29,100 --> 01:35:31,100
implement FEMA's implement

1123
01:35:31,100 --> 01:35:33,100
FEMA's updated floodplain

1124
01:35:33,100 --> 01:35:35,100
regulations once the final

1125
01:35:35,100 --> 01:35:36,100
firms have been published. The

1126
01:35:36,100 --> 01:35:37,100
maps were published on July

1127
01:35:37,100 --> 01:35:39,100
31, 2024, so the county has

1128
01:35:39,100 --> 01:35:41,100
until January 31, 2025 to

1129
01:35:41,100 --> 01:35:43,401
implement the regulations or

1130
01:35:44,100 --> 01:35:45,100
risk suspension

1131
01:35:45,100 --> 01:35:46,100
from the NFIP. If a community

1132
01:35:46,100 --> 01:35:48,100
is suspended from the NFIP,

1133
01:35:48,100 --> 01:35:50,100
property owners will not be

1134
01:35:50,100 --> 01:35:52,100
able to purchase NFIP policies

1135
01:35:52,100 --> 01:35:53,100
or renew them. Federal grants

1136
01:35:53,100 --> 01:35:54,100
or loans for development will

1137
01:35:54,100 --> 01:35:56,100
not be available

1138
01:35:56,100 --> 01:35:57,100
in affected areas. Federal

1139
01:35:57,100 --> 01:35:58,100
disaster assistance may not be

1140
01:35:58,100 --> 01:36:00,100
provided

1141
01:36:00,100 --> 01:36:02,100
for any natural disaster,

1142
01:36:02,100 --> 01:36:03,100
including flood damage repair

1143
01:36:03,100 --> 01:36:05,100
or reconstruction. The Sonoma

1144
01:36:05,100 --> 01:36:06,100
County Community Development

1145
01:36:06,100 --> 01:36:08,100
Commission Flood Elevation

1146
01:36:08,100 --> 01:36:09,100
Mitigation Program would be

1147
01:36:09,100 --> 01:36:11,100
unavailable to the county and

1148
01:36:11,100 --> 01:36:13,100
flood hazard area residents,

1149
01:36:13,100 --> 01:36:14,100
which is since 1997, over 300

1150
01:36:14,100 --> 01:36:17,100
homes have been elevated and

1151
01:36:17,100 --> 01:36:19,100
$27 million have been spent

1152
01:36:19,100 --> 01:36:21,100
on elevation

1153
01:36:21,100 --> 01:36:22,100
through this program. Federal

1154
01:36:22,100 --> 01:36:24,100
mortgage insurance or loan

1155
01:36:24,100 --> 01:36:25,100
guarantees will not be provided

1156
01:36:25,100 --> 01:36:26,100
in affected areas and lenders

1157
01:36:26,100 --> 01:36:28,100
must disclose that property

1158
01:36:28,100 --> 01:36:29,100
within flood hazard areas is

1159
01:36:29,100 --> 01:36:31,100
not eligible for federal

1160
01:36:31,100 --> 01:36:33,100
disaster assistance and the

1161
01:36:33,100 --> 01:36:34,100
hazard mitigation grant program

1162
01:36:34,100 --> 01:36:36,100
would be unavailable to the

1163
01:36:36,100 --> 01:36:37,100
county and flood hazard area

1164
01:36:37,100 --> 01:36:39,100
residents. The county is taking

1165
01:36:39,100 --> 01:36:41,401
steps to mitigate impacts

1166
01:36:43,100 --> 01:36:44,100
to property owners by

1167
01:36:44,100 --> 01:36:45,100
implementing the FEMA maps

1168
01:36:45,100 --> 01:36:47,100
three through rezoning

1169
01:36:47,100 --> 01:36:48,100
to ensure compliance

1170
01:36:48,100 --> 01:36:49,100
with the NFIP and

1171
01:36:49,100 --> 01:36:50,100
by assessing options

1172
01:36:50,100 --> 01:36:51,100
to work directly with FEMA

1173
01:36:51,100 --> 01:36:53,100
on a restudy of the area

1174
01:36:53,100 --> 01:36:54,100
to ensure accuracy

1175
01:36:54,100 --> 01:36:56,100
of the maps. On October 17,

1176
01:36:56,100 --> 01:36:57,100
2024, the Planning Commission

1177
01:36:57,100 --> 01:36:59,100
considered the Technical

1178
01:36:59,100 --> 01:37:01,100
Corrections item, which

1179
01:37:01,100 --> 01:37:03,401
included updated floodway and

1180
01:37:04,100 --> 01:37:05,100
floodplain combining district

1181
01:37:05,100 --> 01:37:06,100
boundaries, and passed a

1182
01:37:06,100 --> 01:37:07,100
resolution recommending that

1183
01:37:07,100 --> 01:37:08,100
the Board of Supervisors

1184
01:37:08,100 --> 01:37:10,100
approve amendments to the

1185
01:37:10,100 --> 01:37:11,100
County General Plan and Land

1186
01:37:11,100 --> 01:37:12,100
Use map and the official zoning

1187
01:37:12,100 --> 01:37:15,100
database. Amendments to the F1

1188
01:37:16,100 --> 01:37:17,100
and F2 combining districts are

1189
01:37:17,100 --> 01:37:19,100
consistent with the Sonoma

1190
01:37:19,100 --> 01:37:20,100
County General Plan Public

1191
01:37:20,100 --> 01:37:21,100
safety element policy PS2V

1192
01:37:21,100 --> 01:37:23,100
directs the county

1193
01:37:23,100 --> 01:37:25,100
to continue enforcing

1194
01:37:25,100 --> 01:37:26,100
Floodplain Management Code

1195
01:37:26,100 --> 01:37:28,100
requirements

1196
01:37:28,100 --> 01:37:29,100
in flood hazards areas

1197
01:37:29,100 --> 01:37:30,100
to implement the NFIP.

1198
01:37:30,100 --> 01:37:32,100
Amendments

1199
01:37:32,100 --> 01:37:33,100
to the official zoning database

1200
01:37:33,100 --> 01:37:34,100
to update the F1 and F2 are

1201
01:37:34,100 --> 01:37:36,100
directed by county code and are

1202
01:37:36,100 --> 01:37:37,100
thus ministerial and statutory

1203
01:37:37,100 --> 01:37:39,100
statutorily exempt from the

1204
01:37:39,100 --> 01:37:41,100
California Environmental

1205
01:37:41,100 --> 01:37:42,100
Quality act

1206
01:37:42,100 --> 01:37:44,100
under CEA guidelines section

1207
01:37:44,100 --> 01:37:45,100
15268. With that,

1208
01:37:45,100 --> 01:37:48,601
I'll pass it back to Scott.

1209
01:37:52,100 --> 01:37:53,100
>> Thank you, Azine so as I

1210
01:37:53,100 --> 01:37:54,100
mentioned earlier,

1211
01:37:54,100 --> 01:37:57,100
we have two asks for today.

1212
01:37:57,100 --> 01:37:59,100
First is to adopt the ordinance

1213
01:37:59,100 --> 01:38:01,100
amending the official zoning

1214
01:38:01,100 --> 01:38:02,100
database to update the F1 and

1215
01:38:02,100 --> 01:38:04,100
F2 zoning areas and also

1216
01:38:04,100 --> 01:38:06,100
providing direction to permit

1217
01:38:06,100 --> 01:38:08,100
Sonoma to proceed

1218
01:38:09,100 --> 01:38:10,100
with a technical review

1219
01:38:10,100 --> 01:38:12,100
of these flood hazard maps

1220
01:38:12,100 --> 01:38:15,100
for the Russian river watershed

1221
01:38:15,100 --> 01:38:18,601
and also the Mark West Creek

1222
01:38:19,100 --> 01:38:22,100
area by the airport so west

1223
01:38:22,100 --> 01:38:25,100
of 101. And so taking this

1224
01:38:25,100 --> 01:38:27,100
action today,

1225
01:38:27,100 --> 01:38:28,100
make sure that we stay

1226
01:38:28,100 --> 01:38:30,100
in compliance with the FEMA

1227
01:38:30,100 --> 01:38:31,100
programs that will keep people

1228
01:38:31,100 --> 01:38:33,100
ensured, especially through the

1229
01:38:33,100 --> 01:38:35,100
rainy season that we're

1230
01:38:35,100 --> 01:38:37,100
currently in. But we also want

1231
01:38:37,100 --> 01:38:39,100
to talk

1232
01:38:40,100 --> 01:38:42,100
about the next steps as part of

1233
01:38:42,100 --> 01:38:43,100
our recommendation and that

1234
01:38:43,100 --> 01:38:45,100
we're hoping

1235
01:38:45,100 --> 01:38:47,100
for board feedback on. First is

1236
01:38:47,100 --> 01:38:49,100
we would like

1237
01:38:49,100 --> 01:38:51,100
to resetty the lower Russian

1238
01:38:51,100 --> 01:38:52,100
river and Mark West Creek area.

1239
01:38:52,100 --> 01:38:54,100
If we get direction

1240
01:38:54,100 --> 01:38:56,100
to do this, we'd have

1241
01:38:56,100 --> 01:38:57,100
to come back

1242
01:38:57,100 --> 01:38:59,100
with a standalone budget item

1243
01:38:59,100 --> 01:39:01,100
to make that happen. Based

1244
01:39:01,100 --> 01:39:03,100
on our experience with the

1245
01:39:03,100 --> 01:39:04,100
Todd Creek study, which was

1246
01:39:04,100 --> 01:39:06,100
about 75,000, we're estimating

1247
01:39:06,100 --> 01:39:08,100
that this would be about

1248
01:39:08,100 --> 01:39:09,100
250,000 because it's a

1249
01:39:09,100 --> 01:39:11,100
significantly larger area.

1250
01:39:11,100 --> 01:39:12,100
But we do feel that if we were

1251
01:39:12,100 --> 01:39:14,401
to undertake this study,

1252
01:39:16,100 --> 01:39:18,100
we'd be able to more accurately

1253
01:39:18,100 --> 01:39:20,100
assess this reach of the

1254
01:39:20,100 --> 01:39:23,100
Russian river as well as the

1255
01:39:23,100 --> 01:39:25,100
tributaries that lead into it

1256
01:39:25,100 --> 01:39:27,100
that we feel were not analyzed

1257
01:39:27,100 --> 01:39:29,100
to the same level. Additional

1258
01:39:29,100 --> 01:39:31,401
things that we're looking

1259
01:39:32,100 --> 01:39:33,100
at that we don't need any kind

1260
01:39:33,100 --> 01:39:35,100
of board action to put

1261
01:39:35,100 --> 01:39:37,100
into place. First off is

1262
01:39:37,100 --> 01:39:39,100
strengthening our noticing

1263
01:39:40,100 --> 01:39:42,100
protocols for instances

1264
01:39:42,100 --> 01:39:45,100
like this. Yes, FEMA did

1265
01:39:45,100 --> 01:39:47,100
noticing a couple years ago,

1266
01:39:47,100 --> 01:39:49,100
but I think that one thing

1267
01:39:49,100 --> 01:39:51,100
we've learned, especially

1268
01:39:52,100 --> 01:39:53,100
through talking to the public

1269
01:39:53,100 --> 01:39:54,100
at the Mac meetings and then

1270
01:39:54,100 --> 01:39:56,100
also individuals is,

1271
01:39:56,100 --> 01:39:58,100
is that that's not enough. So

1272
01:39:58,100 --> 01:39:59,100
even though we don't have a

1273
01:39:59,100 --> 01:40:01,100
legal obligation

1274
01:40:01,100 --> 01:40:03,100
to notice that like we do

1275
01:40:03,100 --> 01:40:05,100
for the meeting today, we've

1276
01:40:05,100 --> 01:40:06,100
really heard that the FEMA

1277
01:40:06,100 --> 01:40:08,100
noticing just isn't enough

1278
01:40:08,100 --> 01:40:10,100
for our community. So we are

1279
01:40:10,100 --> 01:40:11,100
going

1280
01:40:11,100 --> 01:40:13,100
to proactively be doing a lot

1281
01:40:13,100 --> 01:40:14,100
of the steps that we would

1282
01:40:14,100 --> 01:40:16,100
for our own item,

1283
01:40:16,100 --> 01:40:18,100
for the FEMA items as well

1284
01:40:18,100 --> 01:40:20,100
in the future to get this

1285
01:40:20,100 --> 01:40:22,100
discussion started sooner, you

1286
01:40:22,100 --> 01:40:23,100
know, when we're still in the

1287
01:40:23,100 --> 01:40:25,100
preliminary comment period,

1288
01:40:25,100 --> 01:40:26,100
when we're still

1289
01:40:26,100 --> 01:40:28,100
in the appeal period. We'd also

1290
01:40:28,100 --> 01:40:30,100
like to reassess our local

1291
01:40:30,100 --> 01:40:32,100
regulations. It's not often

1292
01:40:32,100 --> 01:40:34,100
that we're talking about

1293
01:40:34,100 --> 01:40:35,100
regulations that were enacted

1294
01:40:35,100 --> 01:40:37,100
in the 1940s

1295
01:40:37,100 --> 01:40:39,100
like our F1 and F2 were. We

1296
01:40:39,100 --> 01:40:41,100
didn't even have a building

1297
01:40:41,100 --> 01:40:43,100
code back then. So it's time

1298
01:40:43,100 --> 01:40:45,100
for us to go and reassess. Are

1299
01:40:45,100 --> 01:40:48,100
those still meeting the needs

1300
01:40:48,100 --> 01:40:50,100
for us today? In some areas our

1301
01:40:50,100 --> 01:40:52,100
local regulations are stricter

1302
01:40:52,100 --> 01:40:54,100
than FEMA's, but particularly

1303
01:40:54,100 --> 01:40:56,100
in the F1. And so we do want to

1304
01:40:56,100 --> 01:40:59,601
go back and reassess how the

1305
01:41:00,100 --> 01:41:02,100
zoning code, building code and

1306
01:41:02,100 --> 01:41:04,100
our general plan all align

1307
01:41:04,100 --> 01:41:06,100
along with kind of the state

1308
01:41:06,100 --> 01:41:08,401
of development and residency

1309
01:41:09,100 --> 01:41:12,100
along the river today. Another

1310
01:41:12,100 --> 01:41:14,401
thing that we've been

1311
01:41:15,100 --> 01:41:17,100
discussing is the idea

1312
01:41:17,100 --> 01:41:19,100
of a critical service overlay

1313
01:41:19,100 --> 01:41:20,100
for the commercial corridor

1314
01:41:20,100 --> 01:41:22,100
along the river. So that

1315
01:41:22,100 --> 01:41:24,100
wouldn't necessarily need

1316
01:41:24,100 --> 01:41:26,100
to be something that exists

1317
01:41:26,100 --> 01:41:28,100
in zoning, but it makes it very

1318
01:41:28,100 --> 01:41:29,100
clear that the continued

1319
01:41:29,100 --> 01:41:32,100
operation of things like the

1320
01:41:32,100 --> 01:41:34,100
Gurnwell Safeway is critical

1321
01:41:34,100 --> 01:41:36,100
to the success of folks living

1322
01:41:36,100 --> 01:41:37,100
on the river. You know,

1323
01:41:37,100 --> 01:41:40,100
we've also been taking a look

1324
01:41:40,100 --> 01:41:42,100
at our legal non conforming

1325
01:41:42,100 --> 01:41:43,100
language,

1326
01:41:43,100 --> 01:41:45,100
which is another section of the

1327
01:41:45,100 --> 01:41:46,100
zoning code that governs kind

1328
01:41:46,100 --> 01:41:48,100
of the process around

1329
01:41:48,100 --> 01:41:50,100
reconstruction and rebuilding

1330
01:41:50,100 --> 01:41:51,100
in areas like this. And so it's

1331
01:41:51,100 --> 01:41:53,100
another section that we really

1332
01:41:53,100 --> 01:41:55,100
need

1333
01:41:55,100 --> 01:41:57,100
to reassess whether the kind

1334
01:41:57,100 --> 01:41:58,100
of thresholds in that are still

1335
01:41:58,100 --> 01:42:00,100
meeting the need for today.

1336
01:42:00,100 --> 01:42:02,100
Through the fires,

1337
01:42:02,100 --> 01:42:04,100
we made a number of changes

1338
01:42:04,100 --> 01:42:06,100
to make it easier for people

1339
01:42:06,100 --> 01:42:07,100
to rebuild. And

1340
01:42:07,100 --> 01:42:09,100
from a flood standpoint,

1341
01:42:09,100 --> 01:42:11,100
we want

1342
01:42:11,100 --> 01:42:12,100
to make it clear that we,

1343
01:42:12,100 --> 01:42:14,100
we do want to support people

1344
01:42:14,100 --> 01:42:15,100
rebuilding what they had in the

1345
01:42:15,100 --> 01:42:17,100
event that there's a disaster.

1346
01:42:17,100 --> 01:42:20,100
One final thing that I will say

1347
01:42:20,100 --> 01:42:21,100
is there is something that

1348
01:42:21,100 --> 01:42:24,100
there's a FEMA program called

1349
01:42:24,100 --> 01:42:26,100
CRS which stands for, sorry

1350
01:42:26,100 --> 01:42:28,100
one minute. Community Rating

1351
01:42:28,100 --> 01:42:30,401
System. So basically through

1352
01:42:34,100 --> 01:42:35,100
this county led process, we

1353
01:42:35,100 --> 01:42:37,100
can,

1354
01:42:38,100 --> 01:42:41,100
through areas where we are

1355
01:42:41,100 --> 01:42:43,100
going above and

1356
01:42:43,100 --> 01:42:44,100
beyond what FEMA requires, we

1357
01:42:44,100 --> 01:42:45,100
can potentially lower the

1358
01:42:45,100 --> 01:42:46,100
insurance rates

1359
01:42:46,100 --> 01:42:47,100
of folks that live

1360
01:42:47,100 --> 01:42:49,100
in the county. So this is part

1361
01:42:49,100 --> 01:42:50,100
of the balancing act because we

1362
01:42:50,100 --> 01:42:51,100
would get extra points towards

1363
01:42:51,100 --> 01:42:53,100
lowering rates

1364
01:42:53,100 --> 01:42:55,100
by having something

1365
01:42:58,100 --> 01:42:59,100
like a stricter F1 or F2.

1366
01:42:59,100 --> 01:43:00,100
But again it's balancing. And

1367
01:43:00,100 --> 01:43:02,100
so that wasn't in the report.

1368
01:43:02,100 --> 01:43:05,100
But we did get a public comment

1369
01:43:05,100 --> 01:43:07,100
about that. So I wanted

1370
01:43:07,100 --> 01:43:09,100
to mention that as well as for

1371
01:43:09,100 --> 01:43:11,100
for future consideration. So

1372
01:43:11,100 --> 01:43:14,100
with that we're looking forward

1373
01:43:14,100 --> 01:43:15,100
to any questions and hearing

1374
01:43:15,100 --> 01:43:17,100
from the public.

1375
01:43:17,100 --> 01:43:18,100
>> Thank you very much. And I

1376
01:43:18,100 --> 01:43:19,100
actually would like

1377
01:43:19,100 --> 01:43:20,100
to go straight to public

1378
01:43:20,100 --> 01:43:21,100
comment recognizing that we are

1379
01:43:21,100 --> 01:43:22,100
running late and so that we can

1380
01:43:22,100 --> 01:43:23,100
hear from folks who may took

1381
01:43:23,100 --> 01:43:24,100
time out of their day

1382
01:43:24,100 --> 01:43:25,100
to be here. And then I will

1383
01:43:25,100 --> 01:43:26,100
bring it back

1384
01:43:26,100 --> 01:43:27,100
to the board afterwards

1385
01:43:27,100 --> 01:43:29,100
for questions and comments. So

1386
01:43:29,100 --> 01:43:30,100
is there anyone

1387
01:43:30,100 --> 01:43:31,100
in the public who wishes

1388
01:43:31,100 --> 01:43:32,100
to speak on this item? We will

1389
01:43:32,100 --> 01:43:33,100
have two minutes per public

1390
01:43:33,100 --> 01:43:36,601
comment. I knew I saw some

1391
01:43:41,100 --> 01:43:42,100
familiar faces in the audience

1392
01:43:42,100 --> 01:43:43,100
so I figured.

1393
01:43:43,100 --> 01:43:45,100
>> Good morning supervisors.

1394
01:43:45,100 --> 01:43:46,100
Good morning Permits

1395
01:43:46,100 --> 01:43:48,100
Sonoma. My name is Peter

1396
01:43:48,100 --> 01:43:50,100
Hackett. I have Stumptown

1397
01:43:50,100 --> 01:43:52,100
Brewery and Stumptown Car

1398
01:43:52,100 --> 01:43:54,100
Wash. I think like a lot of the

1399
01:43:54,100 --> 01:43:56,100
people that have been affected

1400
01:43:56,100 --> 01:43:57,100
by this and maybe a little

1401
01:43:57,100 --> 01:43:59,100
offended at the notification

1402
01:43:59,100 --> 01:44:02,100
that we received that there

1403
01:44:03,100 --> 01:44:04,100
were zoning alterations that

1404
01:44:04,100 --> 01:44:05,100
were going to be made which

1405
01:44:05,100 --> 01:44:07,100
seems a lot more minor than the

1406
01:44:07,100 --> 01:44:08,100
material effect that this could

1407
01:44:08,100 --> 01:44:10,100
potentially have

1408
01:44:12,100 --> 01:44:13,100
to our properties and not just

1409
01:44:13,100 --> 01:44:15,100
in use, but in value. And

1410
01:44:15,100 --> 01:44:16,100
certainly when I read that,

1411
01:44:16,100 --> 01:44:18,100
you know,

1412
01:44:18,100 --> 01:44:19,100
a parcel that has moved

1413
01:44:19,100 --> 01:44:20,100
from F2 to F1 becomes legal non

1414
01:44:20,100 --> 01:44:22,100
conforming and the verbiage of

1415
01:44:22,100 --> 01:44:24,100
legal nonconforming is pretty

1416
01:44:24,100 --> 01:44:26,100
arbitrary and certainly would

1417
01:44:26,100 --> 01:44:28,100
affect the resale value

1418
01:44:28,100 --> 01:44:29,100
of property, not just the use

1419
01:44:29,100 --> 01:44:31,100
of that property. Obviously a

1420
01:44:31,100 --> 01:44:33,100
lot

1421
01:44:33,100 --> 01:44:34,100
of people who are now moved

1422
01:44:34,100 --> 01:44:36,100
into the F2 floodplain and find

1423
01:44:36,100 --> 01:44:37,100
themselves

1424
01:44:37,100 --> 01:44:38,100
with the additional holding

1425
01:44:38,100 --> 01:44:39,100
cost of flood insurance and so

1426
01:44:39,100 --> 01:44:41,100
on are also affected. And it

1427
01:44:41,100 --> 01:44:42,100
was a challenge to know that

1428
01:44:42,100 --> 01:44:45,100
FEMA had actually made this

1429
01:44:46,100 --> 01:44:48,100
aware, made us aware of this,

1430
01:44:48,100 --> 01:44:50,100
these potential changes back

1431
01:44:50,100 --> 01:44:53,100
in 2022. And we just became

1432
01:44:53,100 --> 01:44:55,100
aware of them in November. And

1433
01:44:55,100 --> 01:44:57,100
frankly by accident that even

1434
01:44:57,100 --> 01:44:59,401
the meeting that was

1435
01:45:00,100 --> 01:45:02,100
intentionally to ratify. Thank

1436
01:45:02,100 --> 01:45:04,100
you very much Supervisor

1437
01:45:04,100 --> 01:45:05,100
Hopkins for pulling this off.

1438
01:45:05,100 --> 01:45:07,100
So we did have an opportunity

1439
01:45:07,100 --> 01:45:08,100
to actually talk about this.

1440
01:45:08,100 --> 01:45:10,100
Perhaps gives us a chance

1441
01:45:10,100 --> 01:45:12,100
to make some changes to

1442
01:45:12,100 --> 01:45:13,100
mitigate the damage which

1443
01:45:13,100 --> 01:45:14,100
clearly has to be done. I think

1444
01:45:14,100 --> 01:45:16,100
we all understand that we have

1445
01:45:16,100 --> 01:45:18,100
to ratify these changes

1446
01:45:18,100 --> 01:45:19,100
in order to stay

1447
01:45:19,100 --> 01:45:21,100
within the boundaries

1448
01:45:21,100 --> 01:45:22,100
of FEMA. But the damage

1449
01:45:22,100 --> 01:45:24,100
to those of us whose zoning has

1450
01:45:24,100 --> 01:45:25,100
been changed and ultimately

1451
01:45:25,100 --> 01:45:27,100
bearing the cost

1452
01:45:27,100 --> 01:45:30,100
of that compliance. And there

1453
01:45:30,100 --> 01:45:32,100
are hundreds of parcels. I'm

1454
01:45:32,100 --> 01:45:34,100
actually surprised there aren't

1455
01:45:34,100 --> 01:45:35,100
more people here today figuring

1456
01:45:35,100 --> 01:45:36,100
out a way to do that. Whether

1457
01:45:36,100 --> 01:45:38,100
perhaps that might be a carve

1458
01:45:38,100 --> 01:45:39,100
out like the Kincaid fires had

1459
01:45:39,100 --> 01:45:41,100
so that there's more clarity

1460
01:45:41,100 --> 01:45:43,100
and less arbitrary decision by

1461
01:45:43,100 --> 01:45:45,100
the chief building inspector as

1462
01:45:45,100 --> 01:45:47,100
to whether or not we can

1463
01:45:47,100 --> 01:45:50,100
rebuild. I know I wouldn't want

1464
01:45:50,100 --> 01:45:54,100
to buy a parcel if I couldn't

1465
01:45:54,100 --> 01:45:56,100
rebuild, if something happened

1466
01:45:56,100 --> 01:45:58,100
to it, whether or not that

1467
01:45:58,100 --> 01:46:00,100
damage was incurred during a

1468
01:46:00,100 --> 01:46:02,401
natural disaster or otherwise.

1469
01:46:04,100 --> 01:46:05,100
>> And thank you so much, that

1470
01:46:05,100 --> 01:46:06,100
is time. I apologize.

1471
01:46:06,100 --> 01:46:08,100
>> I had two minutes.

1472
01:46:08,100 --> 01:46:10,100
>> It goes too fast. I know.

1473
01:46:10,100 --> 01:46:11,100
>> Thank you.

1474
01:46:11,100 --> 01:46:12,100
>> And also I just want

1475
01:46:12,100 --> 01:46:14,100
to state for the record that we

1476
01:46:14,100 --> 01:46:15,100
have officially opened the

1477
01:46:15,100 --> 01:46:16,100
public hearing. This is sort

1478
01:46:16,100 --> 01:46:17,100
of a public hearing. And want

1479
01:46:17,100 --> 01:46:18,100
to make sure that Peter's

1480
01:46:18,100 --> 01:46:19,100
comments are recognized as part

1481
01:46:19,100 --> 01:46:20,100
of that. Welcome. Come

1482
01:46:20,100 --> 01:46:22,100
on up.

1483
01:46:23,100 --> 01:46:24,100
>> Good morning. My name's Ed

1484
01:46:24,100 --> 01:46:26,100
Kleitz. I live at 133 Fleming

1485
01:46:26,100 --> 01:46:27,100
Way, Santa Rosa, California, a

1486
01:46:27,100 --> 01:46:29,100
little

1487
01:46:29,100 --> 01:46:30,100
over a half a mile south

1488
01:46:30,100 --> 01:46:31,100
of the Todd Road flood channel.

1489
01:46:31,100 --> 01:46:33,100
I haven't heard it yet here

1490
01:46:33,100 --> 01:46:34,100
today, but it is on the back

1491
01:46:34,100 --> 01:46:35,100
page or somewhere buried

1492
01:46:35,100 --> 01:46:37,100
into this report. And I just

1493
01:46:37,100 --> 01:46:38,100
want you to know that I became

1494
01:46:38,100 --> 01:46:41,100
aware as a 33 year owner of my

1495
01:46:41,100 --> 01:46:44,100
home three years ago that FEMA

1496
01:46:44,100 --> 01:46:46,100
had declared my neighborhood to

1497
01:46:46,100 --> 01:46:47,100
be a flood zone. I wasn't

1498
01:46:47,100 --> 01:46:49,100
notified

1499
01:46:49,100 --> 01:46:51,100
by FEMA. I was not notified

1500
01:46:51,100 --> 01:46:52,100
by the county. I was notified

1501
01:46:52,100 --> 01:46:54,100
by my mortgage company who

1502
01:46:54,100 --> 01:46:55,100
said, you have 30 days

1503
01:46:55,100 --> 01:46:57,100
to get insurance or we're going

1504
01:46:57,100 --> 01:46:59,100
to get it for you. We're here

1505
01:46:59,100 --> 01:47:00,100
almost three years later and I

1506
01:47:00,100 --> 01:47:01,100
have to shout out to

1507
01:47:01,100 --> 01:47:02,100
Supervisor Coursey's office

1508
01:47:02,100 --> 01:47:04,100
after making about 10 or 12

1509
01:47:04,100 --> 01:47:05,100
calls to my realtor, my

1510
01:47:05,100 --> 01:47:06,100
friends, my mom,

1511
01:47:06,100 --> 01:47:07,100
my neighbors who will speak

1512
01:47:07,100 --> 01:47:08,100
in a minute,

1513
01:47:08,100 --> 01:47:10,100
Supervisor Coursey's office,

1514
01:47:12,100 --> 01:47:13,100
specifically Sean Hamlin is the

1515
01:47:13,100 --> 01:47:14,100
one who told me what was going

1516
01:47:14,100 --> 01:47:17,100
on, why it was going

1517
01:47:17,100 --> 01:47:20,100
on and sorry, I was playing the

1518
01:47:20,100 --> 01:47:21,100
parking game. I got insurance.

1519
01:47:21,100 --> 01:47:25,100
I'm in my third year of that

1520
01:47:25,100 --> 01:47:27,100
flood insurance and I'm nearing

1521
01:47:27,100 --> 01:47:29,100
$6,000

1522
01:47:31,100 --> 01:47:34,100
in flood insurance. Again, I

1523
01:47:34,100 --> 01:47:35,100
live over half a mile

1524
01:47:35,100 --> 01:47:38,100
from the Todd Road channel.

1525
01:47:38,100 --> 01:47:39,100
Back in November, before

1526
01:47:39,100 --> 01:47:40,100
Thanksgiving when we got almost

1527
01:47:40,100 --> 01:47:41,100
half of our annual rainfall

1528
01:47:41,100 --> 01:47:43,100
in that one week,

1529
01:47:43,100 --> 01:47:44,100
my pool didn't even flood,

1530
01:47:44,100 --> 01:47:45,100
much less my backyard. Oh, and

1531
01:47:45,100 --> 01:47:46,100
by the way, my house is on

1532
01:47:46,100 --> 01:47:48,100
three foot post and piers. I

1533
01:47:48,100 --> 01:47:51,100
could have disputed the claims

1534
01:47:51,100 --> 01:47:53,100
of FEMA back in 2022 and

1535
01:47:53,100 --> 01:47:55,100
commissioned an engineering

1536
01:47:55,100 --> 01:47:57,100
study and found the plans

1537
01:47:57,100 --> 01:47:58,100
for my house that was built

1538
01:47:58,100 --> 01:47:59,100
in 1952,

1539
01:47:59,100 --> 01:48:00,100
but that was cost prohibitive.

1540
01:48:00,100 --> 01:48:02,100
So I have two asks of you today

1541
01:48:02,100 --> 01:48:03,100
as the red light is looming,

1542
01:48:03,100 --> 01:48:06,100
who and when do I notify my

1543
01:48:06,100 --> 01:48:08,100
mortgage company to stop taking

1544
01:48:08,100 --> 01:48:09,100
those monthly payments out of

1545
01:48:09,100 --> 01:48:11,100
my newly created impound

1546
01:48:11,100 --> 01:48:14,100
account? And who do we contact

1547
01:48:14,100 --> 01:48:16,100
to get reimbursed from this

1548
01:48:16,100 --> 01:48:18,100
erroneous study so that we can

1549
01:48:18,100 --> 01:48:20,401
be made whole again.

1550
01:48:21,100 --> 01:48:22,100
By the way, I'm a 10 year

1551
01:48:22,100 --> 01:48:24,100
county retiree having worked

1552
01:48:24,100 --> 01:48:25,100
27 years

1553
01:48:25,100 --> 01:48:26,100
in the county jail. I'm

1554
01:48:26,100 --> 01:48:28,100
on a fixed income. These

1555
01:48:28,100 --> 01:48:30,100
numbers are rising just like

1556
01:48:30,100 --> 01:48:32,100
every other expense there is

1557
01:48:32,100 --> 01:48:33,100
out there. Thank you very much.

1558
01:48:33,100 --> 01:48:35,401
>> Thank you. Good morning.

1559
01:48:41,100 --> 01:48:42,100
>> Good morning. My name is

1560
01:48:42,100 --> 01:48:43,100
Kathy Pezantine. Everything

1561
01:48:43,100 --> 01:48:45,100
that Ed said is what I was

1562
01:48:45,100 --> 01:48:47,100
going to say also. I'm his

1563
01:48:47,100 --> 01:48:48,100
neighbor and I've been

1564
01:48:48,100 --> 01:48:50,100
in our house for 47 years,

1565
01:48:50,100 --> 01:48:52,100
never flooded. And the zone,

1566
01:48:52,100 --> 01:48:55,100
we have flood zone outside,

1567
01:48:55,100 --> 01:48:56,100
not that far away. And three

1568
01:48:56,100 --> 01:48:59,100
years ago we received a notice

1569
01:48:59,100 --> 01:49:01,100
from our bank and then we went

1570
01:49:01,100 --> 01:49:03,401
through a big process

1571
01:49:06,100 --> 01:49:08,100
with them. And I just want

1572
01:49:08,100 --> 01:49:09,100
to hold this up real quick.

1573
01:49:09,100 --> 01:49:10,100
This is what we got from FEMA

1574
01:49:10,100 --> 01:49:11,100
and it has a little arrow

1575
01:49:11,100 --> 01:49:12,100
pointing

1576
01:49:12,100 --> 01:49:15,100
to where our little flood,our

1577
01:49:15,100 --> 01:49:16,100
small building in back of our

1578
01:49:16,100 --> 01:49:18,100
property had a little corner

1579
01:49:18,100 --> 01:49:19,100
that was in that flood zone.

1580
01:49:19,100 --> 01:49:21,401
And We've paid over $3,000

1581
01:49:23,100 --> 01:49:25,100
for our insurance and we,

1582
01:49:25,100 --> 01:49:27,100
we didn't know what to do,

1583
01:49:27,100 --> 01:49:29,100
where to go, who to talk to

1584
01:49:29,100 --> 01:49:31,000
about this map and our flood

1585
01:49:31,000 --> 01:49:33,400
zone. So we're hoping

1586
01:49:34,100 --> 01:49:37,100
to get some answers today.

1587
01:49:37,100 --> 01:49:38,100
Thank you.

1588
01:49:38,100 --> 01:49:41,100
>> Thank you very much. Is

1589
01:49:44,100 --> 01:49:45,100
there anyone else who wishes

1590
01:49:45,100 --> 01:49:48,100
to comment on this item?

1591
01:49:50,100 --> 01:49:51,100
Welcome.

1592
01:49:51,100 --> 01:49:52,100
>> Hi. Thank you. Good morning.

1593
01:49:52,100 --> 01:49:54,100
I didn't come to speak

1594
01:49:54,100 --> 01:49:55,100
on this topic today,

1595
01:49:55,100 --> 01:49:56,100
but hearing it, I wanted

1596
01:49:56,100 --> 01:49:58,100
to mention that with insurance

1597
01:49:58,100 --> 01:50:00,100
rates there are multiple

1598
01:50:00,100 --> 01:50:02,100
factors

1599
01:50:02,100 --> 01:50:03,100
to consider. I do not live

1600
01:50:03,100 --> 01:50:05,100
in a floodway. I live adjacent

1601
01:50:05,100 --> 01:50:07,100
to a floodplain

1602
01:50:07,100 --> 01:50:09,100
within the city limits of

1603
01:50:09,100 --> 01:50:11,100
Petaluma, California. While I

1604
01:50:11,100 --> 01:50:13,100
don't share the same

1605
01:50:13,100 --> 01:50:15,100
characteristics, my,

1606
01:50:15,100 --> 01:50:17,100
my home doesn't. The land that

1607
01:50:17,100 --> 01:50:18,100
it's on. As some

1608
01:50:18,100 --> 01:50:19,100
of the speakers today, I would

1609
01:50:19,100 --> 01:50:20,100
like you to know that

1610
01:50:20,100 --> 01:50:23,100
in the past couple years,

1611
01:50:23,100 --> 01:50:25,100
merely because our home is

1612
01:50:25,100 --> 01:50:27,401
adjacent to a floodplain

1613
01:50:28,100 --> 01:50:29,100
near the Petaluma River, our

1614
01:50:29,100 --> 01:50:32,100
flood insurance went from just

1615
01:50:33,100 --> 01:50:36,100
under $1,000 a year to $5,000 a

1616
01:50:38,100 --> 01:50:40,401
year. I'm retired. I'm

1617
01:50:41,100 --> 01:50:43,100
on a fixed income. We're all

1618
01:50:43,100 --> 01:50:45,100
getting squeezed

1619
01:50:45,100 --> 01:50:47,100
from fire insurance, flood

1620
01:50:47,100 --> 01:50:49,100
insurance, car insurance. The

1621
01:50:49,100 --> 01:50:51,401
squeeze is too much

1622
01:50:52,100 --> 01:50:55,601
to bear and the stress of

1623
01:50:56,100 --> 01:50:59,100
having your expenses go sky

1624
01:50:59,100 --> 01:51:01,100
high in an uncertain future

1625
01:51:01,100 --> 01:51:03,100
of what the heck would happen

1626
01:51:03,100 --> 01:51:06,100
to you in your safe place,

1627
01:51:06,100 --> 01:51:07,100
that you plan to retire and

1628
01:51:07,100 --> 01:51:09,100
work hard your whole life when

1629
01:51:09,100 --> 01:51:11,100
that is unnecessarily

1630
01:51:11,100 --> 01:51:13,100
compromised

1631
01:51:14,100 --> 01:51:16,100
with planning that is,

1632
01:51:16,100 --> 01:51:18,100
is not acceptable

1633
01:51:18,100 --> 01:51:19,100
to the people

1634
01:51:19,100 --> 01:51:21,100
of the electorate.

1635
01:51:21,100 --> 01:51:23,401
Electorate. So please elevate

1636
01:51:24,100 --> 01:51:26,100
their comments and help them to

1637
01:51:26,100 --> 01:51:28,100
have a secure and safe future.

1638
01:51:28,100 --> 01:51:30,100
Thank you.

1639
01:51:30,100 --> 01:51:32,401
>> Thank you. Very much.

1640
01:51:37,100 --> 01:51:39,100
Good morning.

1641
01:51:39,100 --> 01:51:40,100
>> Good morning. My name is

1642
01:51:40,100 --> 01:51:41,100
Mark. I live in Scenic Avenue

1643
01:51:41,100 --> 01:51:42,100
in Santa Rosa or county.

1644
01:51:42,100 --> 01:51:44,100
Excuse me if I'm going to be

1645
01:51:44,100 --> 01:51:46,100
ignorant on this topic,

1646
01:51:46,100 --> 01:51:48,100
but I've lived at my place

1647
01:51:48,100 --> 01:51:49,100
for 18 years.

1648
01:51:49,100 --> 01:51:51,100
From what I understand,

1649
01:51:51,100 --> 01:51:53,100
Sonoma County Water Agency is

1650
01:51:53,100 --> 01:51:54,100
supposed to be responsible

1651
01:51:54,100 --> 01:51:56,100
for the drainage ditches. In

1652
01:51:56,100 --> 01:51:57,100
18 years they have not,

1653
01:51:57,100 --> 01:51:58,100
I'll use a farmer's term,

1654
01:51:58,100 --> 01:52:00,100
mucked out the ditches once.

1655
01:52:00,100 --> 01:52:02,100
It's been over two weeks since

1656
01:52:02,100 --> 01:52:03,100
we had rain and we still have

1657
01:52:03,100 --> 01:52:05,100
standing water

1658
01:52:05,100 --> 01:52:07,100
in the culverts. We got

1659
01:52:07,100 --> 01:52:09,100
to start with the basic level

1660
01:52:09,100 --> 01:52:10,100
before we go to the flood stuff

1661
01:52:10,100 --> 01:52:12,100
because if it's not going

1662
01:52:12,100 --> 01:52:14,100
anywhere,

1663
01:52:14,100 --> 01:52:15,100
it's standing there waiting

1664
01:52:15,100 --> 01:52:16,100
for the next rain to happen.

1665
01:52:16,100 --> 01:52:17,100
Now, there are fields

1666
01:52:17,100 --> 01:52:20,100
with water in them, but my main

1667
01:52:20,100 --> 01:52:21,100
concern is the roadways. They

1668
01:52:21,100 --> 01:52:23,100
need to get fixed and that's

1669
01:52:23,100 --> 01:52:25,100
mucking them out. That's

1670
01:52:25,100 --> 01:52:27,100
weeding them during summertime.

1671
01:52:27,100 --> 01:52:28,100
I've got notices from the

1672
01:52:28,100 --> 01:52:30,100
permits resources say I need

1673
01:52:30,100 --> 01:52:31,100
to cut the weeds

1674
01:52:31,100 --> 01:52:33,100
in my culvert. Well, if I can't

1675
01:52:33,100 --> 01:52:35,100
build on it, it's not mine.

1676
01:52:35,100 --> 01:52:37,401
That's the water agency's

1677
01:52:38,100 --> 01:52:40,100
responsibility. Thank you.

1678
01:52:41,100 --> 01:52:43,100
>> Thank you very much. Are

1679
01:52:43,100 --> 01:52:44,100
there any other members

1680
01:52:44,100 --> 01:52:45,100
of the public who wish

1681
01:52:45,100 --> 01:52:47,100
to speak on this item? Going

1682
01:52:47,100 --> 01:52:49,100
once, going twice,

1683
01:52:49,100 --> 01:52:50,100
and I will bring it back

1684
01:52:50,100 --> 01:52:52,100
to the board. I first wanted

1685
01:52:52,100 --> 01:52:53,100
to give staff an opportunity

1686
01:52:53,100 --> 01:52:55,100
to answer any of the questions

1687
01:52:55,100 --> 01:52:56,100
from members of the public,

1688
01:52:56,100 --> 01:52:58,100
public that came up. And

1689
01:52:58,100 --> 01:53:00,100
with respect to culverts,

1690
01:53:00,100 --> 01:53:01,100
that is not your department,

1691
01:53:01,100 --> 01:53:03,100
fortunately not your problem.

1692
01:53:03,100 --> 01:53:04,100
And I just want

1693
01:53:04,100 --> 01:53:06,100
to note that it, it could be

1694
01:53:06,100 --> 01:53:07,100
the private property owner's

1695
01:53:07,100 --> 01:53:08,100
responsibility or it could be

1696
01:53:08,100 --> 01:53:10,100
public infrastructure or it

1697
01:53:10,100 --> 01:53:11,100
could be the water agency,

1698
01:53:11,100 --> 01:53:13,100
sort of depending upon the

1699
01:53:13,100 --> 01:53:14,100
jurisdiction. And I'm going

1700
01:53:14,100 --> 01:53:15,100
to look at Johannes and make

1701
01:53:15,100 --> 01:53:16,100
sure I got that right. Is that

1702
01:53:16,100 --> 01:53:18,100
accurate? Okay. So we would

1703
01:53:18,100 --> 01:53:19,100
need to kind of work

1704
01:53:19,100 --> 01:53:20,100
with you and find

1705
01:53:20,100 --> 01:53:21,100
out a little bit more about

1706
01:53:21,100 --> 01:53:22,100
your particular situation,

1707
01:53:22,100 --> 01:53:25,601
which we can do afterwards. So

1708
01:53:29,100 --> 01:53:30,100
reach out to your district

1709
01:53:30,100 --> 01:53:32,100
supervisor and we can try

1710
01:53:32,100 --> 01:53:33,100
to figure out what, you know,

1711
01:53:33,100 --> 01:53:35,100
what the jurisdiction is so

1712
01:53:35,100 --> 01:53:36,100
that we can work

1713
01:53:36,100 --> 01:53:38,100
on that challenge. Any other

1714
01:53:38,100 --> 01:53:39,100
responses to any

1715
01:53:39,100 --> 01:53:41,401
of the public comment?

1716
01:53:43,100 --> 01:53:46,601
>> So in regards to the Todd

1717
01:53:47,100 --> 01:53:49,100
Creek, so we are

1718
01:53:49,100 --> 01:53:50,100
at the tail end of a restudy

1719
01:53:50,100 --> 01:53:52,100
of that creek. We're hoping

1720
01:53:52,100 --> 01:53:54,100
for it to be completed by

1721
01:53:54,100 --> 01:53:56,100
March 2025. So

1722
01:53:56,100 --> 01:53:57,100
in the next couple of months.

1723
01:53:57,100 --> 01:54:00,100
In our most recent update

1724
01:54:00,100 --> 01:54:02,100
on that, it's basically down

1725
01:54:02,100 --> 01:54:05,601
to some what we consider kind

1726
01:54:06,100 --> 01:54:07,100
of more minor or administrative

1727
01:54:07,100 --> 01:54:09,100
back and forth

1728
01:54:09,100 --> 01:54:11,100
between the two sides. So we're

1729
01:54:11,100 --> 01:54:12,100
hoping that's going

1730
01:54:12,100 --> 01:54:14,100
to be resolved soon. And

1731
01:54:14,100 --> 01:54:16,100
after that study is finished,

1732
01:54:16,100 --> 01:54:17,100
then we would work

1733
01:54:17,100 --> 01:54:19,100
with making those maps realized

1734
01:54:19,100 --> 01:54:21,401
through this similar process

1735
01:54:22,100 --> 01:54:23,100
of updating zones

1736
01:54:23,100 --> 01:54:25,100
to hopefully have that

1737
01:54:25,100 --> 01:54:27,100
reflected

1738
01:54:27,100 --> 01:54:29,100
on the insurance side

1739
01:54:29,100 --> 01:54:32,100
of things. Also I would add

1740
01:54:32,100 --> 01:54:33,100
in regards to clarity

1741
01:54:33,100 --> 01:54:35,100
on rebuilding, we totally

1742
01:54:35,100 --> 01:54:37,100
agree. I acknowledge that when

1743
01:54:37,100 --> 01:54:39,401
I look at it,

1744
01:54:40,100 --> 01:54:43,100
I can see paths forward

1745
01:54:43,100 --> 01:54:45,100
for someone to rebuild,

1746
01:54:45,100 --> 01:54:46,100
but that's not enough clarity

1747
01:54:46,100 --> 01:54:47,100
for someone who doesn't do this

1748
01:54:47,100 --> 01:54:49,100
40 hours a week. So as part

1749
01:54:49,100 --> 01:54:50,100
of our next steps, we do want

1750
01:54:50,100 --> 01:54:52,100
to make it crystal clear that

1751
01:54:52,100 --> 01:54:54,100
folks have the ability

1752
01:54:54,100 --> 01:54:56,100
to rebuild.

1753
01:54:56,100 --> 01:54:58,100
>> Thank you very much

1754
01:54:58,100 --> 01:55:00,100
for that. And I would add that

1755
01:55:00,100 --> 01:55:01,100
for someone who doesn't do this

1756
01:55:01,100 --> 01:55:02,100
40 hours a week,

1757
01:55:02,100 --> 01:55:03,100
then they have to pay someone

1758
01:55:03,100 --> 01:55:04,100
that often is very expensive

1759
01:55:04,100 --> 01:55:05,100
to try to find those creative

1760
01:55:05,100 --> 01:55:06,100
solutions, which presents a

1761
01:55:06,100 --> 01:55:07,100
challenge. I want to first go

1762
01:55:07,100 --> 01:55:09,100
to Vice Chair Hermosillo, who

1763
01:55:09,100 --> 01:55:11,100
has some personal experience

1764
01:55:11,100 --> 01:55:12,100
working

1765
01:55:12,100 --> 01:55:13,100
in the federal government

1766
01:55:13,100 --> 01:55:16,100
on FEMA. So take it away.

1767
01:55:16,100 --> 01:55:19,100
>> Todd Creek was great. I

1768
01:55:19,100 --> 01:55:21,100
think that if you can elaborate

1769
01:55:21,100 --> 01:55:23,100
on a workaround with FEMA, it's

1770
01:55:23,100 --> 01:55:25,100
my understanding they're not

1771
01:55:25,100 --> 01:55:26,100
accepting map revisions

1772
01:55:26,100 --> 01:55:28,100
through 2028 because

1773
01:55:29,100 --> 01:55:31,100
of a lawsuit. And so what does

1774
01:55:31,100 --> 01:55:33,100
that mean for west county and

1775
01:55:33,100 --> 01:55:36,601
adopting the FEMA map and then

1776
01:55:37,100 --> 01:55:39,100
making sure that the people

1777
01:55:39,100 --> 01:55:42,100
that do own their property,

1778
01:55:42,100 --> 01:55:44,100
that bought with the intention

1779
01:55:44,100 --> 01:55:46,100
to expand or protect, you know,

1780
01:55:46,100 --> 01:55:47,100
build on their property,

1781
01:55:47,100 --> 01:55:49,100
can't. What local zoning or

1782
01:55:49,100 --> 01:55:52,100
modifications can be made to

1783
01:55:53,100 --> 01:55:56,100
make sure that they have made a

1784
01:55:56,100 --> 01:55:58,100
wise investment.

1785
01:56:01,100 --> 01:56:03,401
>> So just for awareness,

1786
01:56:05,100 --> 01:56:06,100
so today we also have Nathan

1787
01:56:06,100 --> 01:56:08,100
Quarles, who are is our deputy

1788
01:56:08,100 --> 01:56:09,100
director of construction and

1789
01:56:09,100 --> 01:56:11,100
engineering. So

1790
01:56:11,100 --> 01:56:12,100
in case I misspeak on any

1791
01:56:12,100 --> 01:56:13,100
of the technical issues,

1792
01:56:13,100 --> 01:56:15,401
he will swoop in

1793
01:56:16,100 --> 01:56:20,100
to the microphone. So as far as

1794
01:56:20,100 --> 01:56:22,100
the reset, we're not seeing

1795
01:56:22,100 --> 01:56:24,100
anything that would prevent us

1796
01:56:24,100 --> 01:56:25,100
from beginning that process on

1797
01:56:25,100 --> 01:56:27,100
our own and getting a

1798
01:56:27,100 --> 01:56:28,100
consultant the way that we

1799
01:56:28,100 --> 01:56:29,100
would do

1800
01:56:29,100 --> 01:56:31,100
for the way that we did for

1801
01:56:31,100 --> 01:56:33,100
Todd Creek. So we feel that we

1802
01:56:33,100 --> 01:56:35,100
can get started on that right

1803
01:56:35,100 --> 01:56:38,100
of way and we're confident that

1804
01:56:38,100 --> 01:56:39,100
we'll be able

1805
01:56:39,100 --> 01:56:41,100
to move that forward. So

1806
01:56:41,100 --> 01:56:43,100
in terms of the 2028 number,

1807
01:56:43,100 --> 01:56:45,100
that's something I would have

1808
01:56:45,100 --> 01:56:46,100
to look more into.

1809
01:56:46,100 --> 01:56:47,100
But thank you

1810
01:56:47,100 --> 01:56:49,100
for bringing that up.

1811
01:56:49,100 --> 01:56:50,100
>> Any other questions or

1812
01:56:50,100 --> 01:56:52,100
comments on this one?

1813
01:56:52,100 --> 01:56:53,100
>> No. Thank you.

1814
01:56:53,100 --> 01:56:54,100
>> Supervisor Gore.

1815
01:56:54,100 --> 01:56:55,100
Thank you, Supervisor Gore.

1816
01:56:55,100 --> 01:56:56,100
>>Thank you, Chair Hopkins. I

1817
01:56:56,100 --> 01:56:57,100
want to acknowledge the work

1818
01:56:57,100 --> 01:56:59,100
that's taken place

1819
01:56:59,100 --> 01:57:02,100
since this came last year

1820
01:57:02,100 --> 01:57:05,100
under duress from time. And I

1821
01:57:05,100 --> 01:57:07,100
want to acknowledge everybody

1822
01:57:07,100 --> 01:57:09,100
who spent two years and others

1823
01:57:09,100 --> 01:57:12,100
out here who are trying

1824
01:57:12,100 --> 01:57:14,100
to figure out what this really

1825
01:57:14,100 --> 01:57:15,100
means. I first of all

1826
01:57:15,100 --> 01:57:17,100
appreciate the mapping

1827
01:57:17,100 --> 01:57:19,100
recommendations. It's going

1828
01:57:19,100 --> 01:57:22,100
to cost us some money, but I

1829
01:57:22,100 --> 01:57:23,100
think that's our job as local

1830
01:57:23,100 --> 01:57:24,100
government. Right. This is one

1831
01:57:24,100 --> 01:57:25,100
of our only tools in our

1832
01:57:25,100 --> 01:57:27,100
toolbox that actually can

1833
01:57:27,100 --> 01:57:29,401
impact these maps sent

1834
01:57:30,100 --> 01:57:32,401
from the federal government.

1835
01:57:34,100 --> 01:57:35,100
From female. So the addition

1836
01:57:35,100 --> 01:57:38,100
of Mark west and Lower Russian

1837
01:57:38,100 --> 01:57:40,100
river and other areas,

1838
01:57:40,100 --> 01:57:42,100
or whether we say lower

1839
01:57:42,100 --> 01:57:44,100
Russian river or areas that

1840
01:57:44,100 --> 01:57:45,100
intersect with mid reach

1841
01:57:45,100 --> 01:57:47,100
of the Russian river,

1842
01:57:47,100 --> 01:57:48,100
what have you, Geyserville,

1843
01:57:48,100 --> 01:57:50,100
places like that,

1844
01:57:50,100 --> 01:57:51,100
whatever you need to look at,

1845
01:57:51,100 --> 01:57:53,100
I am going to support that.

1846
01:57:53,100 --> 01:57:56,100
And that allocation of funding

1847
01:57:56,100 --> 01:57:57,100
to come back

1848
01:57:57,100 --> 01:58:01,100
to us because you got to pay

1849
01:58:01,100 --> 01:58:02,100
to play you

1850
01:58:02,100 --> 01:58:03,100
like we can't just go back to

1851
01:58:03,100 --> 01:58:04,100
FEMA that sets a broad based

1852
01:58:04,100 --> 01:58:06,100
policy that covers regions,

1853
01:58:06,100 --> 01:58:07,100
which is very normal

1854
01:58:07,100 --> 01:58:08,100
for an insurer, whether it's a

1855
01:58:08,100 --> 01:58:10,100
public insurer or a private

1856
01:58:10,100 --> 01:58:12,100
insurer that says we are going

1857
01:58:12,100 --> 01:58:15,100
to designate this area as high

1858
01:58:15,100 --> 01:58:18,100
risk and you have to prove us

1859
01:58:18,100 --> 01:58:21,100
otherwise or there's no ability

1860
01:58:21,100 --> 01:58:23,100
to even prove otherwise. You

1861
01:58:23,100 --> 01:58:25,100
just have

1862
01:58:26,100 --> 01:58:27,100
to pay the extra money. That

1863
01:58:27,100 --> 01:58:28,100
may be a difficult place

1864
01:58:28,100 --> 01:58:29,100
to sit within, but in

1865
01:58:29,100 --> 01:58:30,100
individuals who have

1866
01:58:30,100 --> 01:58:31,100
frustrations

1867
01:58:31,100 --> 01:58:32,100
around site specific locations,

1868
01:58:32,100 --> 01:58:33,100
I think that's one approach.

1869
01:58:33,100 --> 01:58:34,100
But for these areas, regions,

1870
01:58:34,100 --> 01:58:36,100
I'm going to be supportive

1871
01:58:36,100 --> 01:58:38,100
of the action going forward.

1872
01:58:38,100 --> 01:58:39,100
So within the difficulty

1873
01:58:39,100 --> 01:58:41,100
of what we're being presented,

1874
01:58:41,100 --> 01:58:43,100
I want to thank you for doing

1875
01:58:43,100 --> 01:58:44,100
the work and the increased

1876
01:58:44,100 --> 01:58:46,100
outreach. I do support also

1877
01:58:46,100 --> 01:58:48,100
the, the changes in policy to

1878
01:58:48,100 --> 01:58:49,100
make sure that we are owning

1879
01:58:49,100 --> 01:58:51,100
our responsibility as local

1880
01:58:51,100 --> 01:58:53,100
government, even if the federal

1881
01:58:53,100 --> 01:58:54,100
government is not owning its

1882
01:58:54,100 --> 01:58:56,100
responsibilities

1883
01:58:56,100 --> 01:58:57,100
to effectively communicate with

1884
01:58:57,100 --> 01:58:59,100
our residents and constituents.

1885
01:58:59,100 --> 01:59:00,100
So thank you for the items,

1886
01:59:00,100 --> 01:59:02,100
thank you for the

1887
01:59:02,100 --> 01:59:04,100
recommendations and thank you

1888
01:59:04,100 --> 01:59:05,100
to my colleagues.

1889
01:59:05,100 --> 01:59:07,100
>>Thank you very much.

1890
01:59:07,100 --> 01:59:09,100
Supervisor Corsi.

1891
01:59:09,100 --> 01:59:12,100
>>Yeah, I want to thank

1892
01:59:13,100 --> 01:59:14,100
Permit Sonoma staff and Nathan

1893
01:59:14,100 --> 01:59:16,100
for the work that's been done

1894
01:59:16,100 --> 01:59:20,100
on Todd Creek. This came to our

1895
01:59:20,100 --> 01:59:22,100
attention more than three years

1896
01:59:22,100 --> 01:59:23,100
ago, I think, and it was a

1897
01:59:23,100 --> 01:59:25,100
study that was actually

1898
01:59:25,100 --> 01:59:27,100
undertaken pre pandemic and

1899
01:59:27,100 --> 01:59:29,100
wasn't finished and then was

1900
01:59:29,100 --> 01:59:31,401
restarted and the communication

1901
01:59:33,100 --> 01:59:36,100
was not good from the federal

1902
01:59:36,100 --> 01:59:38,100
government letting us know what

1903
01:59:38,100 --> 01:59:40,100
was going on there. Even when

1904
01:59:40,100 --> 01:59:43,100
we did engage with fema, with

1905
01:59:43,100 --> 01:59:44,100
Congressman Thompson's office,

1906
01:59:44,100 --> 01:59:47,100
we're still three years down

1907
01:59:48,100 --> 01:59:50,100
the road and we don't have any

1908
01:59:50,100 --> 01:59:52,401
answer. So, you know,

1909
01:59:53,100 --> 01:59:55,100
I'm supportive of doing the

1910
01:59:55,100 --> 01:59:57,401
restudies that you're talking

1911
01:59:58,100 --> 02:00:00,100
about, the 250 grand there,

1912
02:00:00,100 --> 02:00:01,100
but I just want to manage

1913
02:00:01,100 --> 02:00:04,100
expectations a little bit that

1914
02:00:04,100 --> 02:00:06,100
this is a bigger undertaking

1915
02:00:06,100 --> 02:00:08,100
than Todd Creek by far. And

1916
02:00:08,100 --> 02:00:10,100
Todd Creek is three years and

1917
02:00:10,100 --> 02:00:13,100
counting. Scott, I don't know

1918
02:00:14,100 --> 02:00:17,100
if you have an answer

1919
02:00:17,100 --> 02:00:18,100
to this, but one

1920
02:00:18,100 --> 02:00:20,100
of the questions

1921
02:00:21,100 --> 02:00:25,201
from folks is how, if and when

1922
02:00:26,100 --> 02:00:27,100
restudies are completed and

1923
02:00:27,100 --> 02:00:30,100
maps are revised, how does a

1924
02:00:30,100 --> 02:00:32,100
property owner unwind the

1925
02:00:32,100 --> 02:00:34,401
property insurance burden that

1926
02:00:35,100 --> 02:00:37,100
they've been saddled

1927
02:00:39,100 --> 02:00:41,100
with because of these studies?

1928
02:00:41,100 --> 02:00:45,201
>>So how it should work is that

1929
02:00:48,100 --> 02:00:50,100
the insurance rates are based

1930
02:00:50,100 --> 02:00:52,100
on the insurance maps. So when

1931
02:00:52,100 --> 02:00:53,100
the insurance maps are updated,

1932
02:00:53,100 --> 02:00:55,401
that should cascade outward.

1933
02:00:56,100 --> 02:00:59,100
That being said, it's not

1934
02:00:59,100 --> 02:01:02,100
something that I would have a

1935
02:01:02,100 --> 02:01:03,100
lot of confidence happening

1936
02:01:03,100 --> 02:01:04,100
every single time if it was my

1937
02:01:04,100 --> 02:01:06,100
own property. I would want

1938
02:01:06,100 --> 02:01:09,100
to make sure. So I think that's

1939
02:01:09,100 --> 02:01:10,100
going to be an important step

1940
02:01:10,100 --> 02:01:12,100
for us as we get towards the

1941
02:01:12,100 --> 02:01:14,100
end

1942
02:01:14,100 --> 02:01:17,100
of the process is making sure.

1943
02:01:17,100 --> 02:01:19,100
That we're working

1944
02:01:19,100 --> 02:01:21,100
with our federal partners

1945
02:01:21,100 --> 02:01:24,100
on kind of that information

1946
02:01:24,100 --> 02:01:26,100
proliferating to all the places

1947
02:01:26,100 --> 02:01:28,100
that it needs to. That's the

1948
02:01:28,100 --> 02:01:30,100
best I could do

1949
02:01:30,100 --> 02:01:31,100
at the moment.

1950
02:01:31,100 --> 02:01:32,100
>>Yeah. And I understand that

1951
02:01:32,100 --> 02:01:34,100
we get into,

1952
02:01:34,100 --> 02:01:37,100
as somebody was talking about

1953
02:01:37,100 --> 02:01:38,100
pointing fingers and there are

1954
02:01:38,100 --> 02:01:40,100
a lot of different agencies and

1955
02:01:40,100 --> 02:01:42,100
entities involved in this.

1956
02:01:42,100 --> 02:01:43,100
Your mortgage company,

1957
02:01:43,100 --> 02:01:45,401
your insurance company, the

1958
02:01:46,100 --> 02:01:48,401
county, the federal government,

1959
02:01:49,100 --> 02:01:51,100
federal agencies. So I would

1960
02:01:51,100 --> 02:01:55,201
just hope that when we, we do

1961
02:01:56,100 --> 02:01:59,601
get these revisions that we can

1962
02:02:00,100 --> 02:02:02,100
help help property owners not

1963
02:02:02,100 --> 02:02:04,100
have

1964
02:02:05,100 --> 02:02:06,100
to do this individually piece

1965
02:02:06,100 --> 02:02:08,100
by piece going

1966
02:02:08,100 --> 02:02:10,100
through it and that, that we as

1967
02:02:10,100 --> 02:02:12,100
a county or even a district

1968
02:02:12,100 --> 02:02:14,100
office, I'll make, make that

1969
02:02:14,100 --> 02:02:17,100
pledge right now that we will

1970
02:02:17,100 --> 02:02:19,100
work with property owners to

1971
02:02:19,100 --> 02:02:21,100
help get that insurance thing

1972
02:02:21,100 --> 02:02:24,601
unwound. I think that's all I

1973
02:02:26,100 --> 02:02:28,100
have for now.

1974
02:02:28,100 --> 02:02:29,100
>>Thanks. Thank you very much,

1975
02:02:29,100 --> 02:02:30,100
Supervisor Rabbit.

1976
02:02:30,100 --> 02:02:31,100
>>Yeah, thank you very much.

1977
02:02:31,100 --> 02:02:33,100
Do you know if FEMA does the

1978
02:02:33,100 --> 02:02:34,100
map work in house or do they

1979
02:02:34,100 --> 02:02:36,100
contract that out? And if they

1980
02:02:36,100 --> 02:02:37,100
do contract it out,

1981
02:02:37,100 --> 02:02:40,100
do they have a pool and perhaps

1982
02:02:40,100 --> 02:02:42,100
Todd Creek was done differently

1983
02:02:42,100 --> 02:02:43,100
than the Russian River? Just

1984
02:02:43,100 --> 02:02:44,100
curious.

1985
02:02:44,100 --> 02:02:46,100
>>I think they do often

1986
02:02:46,100 --> 02:02:47,100
contract it out. Everyone is

1987
02:02:47,100 --> 02:02:49,401
balancing resources. Was there

1988
02:02:51,100 --> 02:02:54,601
a follow up question based on.

1989
02:02:56,100 --> 02:02:58,100
>>Well, there is based upon.

1990
02:02:58,100 --> 02:03:00,100
And to be honest, I'll skip to

1991
02:03:00,100 --> 02:03:02,100
my last comment which is I

1992
02:03:02,100 --> 02:03:04,100
really like to see the Todd

1993
02:03:04,100 --> 02:03:06,100
Creek Lomar or the letter

1994
02:03:06,100 --> 02:03:08,100
of map revision decision prior

1995
02:03:08,100 --> 02:03:09,100
to committing funds

1996
02:03:09,100 --> 02:03:11,100
to a significant larger area.

1997
02:03:11,100 --> 02:03:13,100
Especially

1998
02:03:15,100 --> 02:03:17,100
since what we were talking

1999
02:03:17,100 --> 02:03:18,100
about at present really is a

2000
02:03:18,100 --> 02:03:19,100
peer review and not

2001
02:03:19,100 --> 02:03:20,100
necessarily. Have we identified

2002
02:03:20,100 --> 02:03:21,100
any inaccuracies? Correct.

2003
02:03:21,100 --> 02:03:23,100
>>No specific inaccuracies,

2004
02:03:26,100 --> 02:03:28,100
but there are,

2005
02:03:28,100 --> 02:03:29,100
we do have observations about

2006
02:03:29,100 --> 02:03:31,100
particularly the tributaries

2007
02:03:32,100 --> 02:03:34,100
to the Russian river and we

2008
02:03:34,100 --> 02:03:36,100
have seen some anomalies like

2009
02:03:36,100 --> 02:03:38,100
in the airport area, there's a

2010
02:03:38,100 --> 02:03:41,100
very straight line that doesn't

2011
02:03:41,100 --> 02:03:44,601
seem to make sense just from,

2012
02:03:47,100 --> 02:03:50,100
you know, kind of the,

2013
02:03:51,100 --> 02:03:53,100
the initial review.

2014
02:03:53,100 --> 02:03:54,100
>>Okay, I appreciate that. And

2015
02:03:54,100 --> 02:03:56,100
my questions stem from

2016
02:03:56,100 --> 02:03:58,100
Petaluma many years ago and

2017
02:03:58,100 --> 02:04:00,100
prior to even my being on the

2018
02:04:00,100 --> 02:04:02,100
council there did a huge flood

2019
02:04:02,100 --> 02:04:04,401
control project. And what

2020
02:04:05,100 --> 02:04:08,100
happened there was a remapping

2021
02:04:10,100 --> 02:04:12,100
and put other people that

2022
02:04:12,100 --> 02:04:14,100
didn't think they were

2023
02:04:14,100 --> 02:04:15,100
in the floodplain.

2024
02:04:15,100 --> 02:04:17,100
In the floodplain because at

2025
02:04:17,100 --> 02:04:19,100
some extent it's zero sum game,

2026
02:04:19,100 --> 02:04:21,100
especially as you can imagine

2027
02:04:21,100 --> 02:04:22,100
with the additional more

2028
02:04:22,100 --> 02:04:24,100
volatile weather, extreme

2029
02:04:24,100 --> 02:04:25,100
weather conditions that we're

2030
02:04:25,100 --> 02:04:26,100
having. So the later the

2031
02:04:26,100 --> 02:04:27,100
mapping goes,

2032
02:04:27,100 --> 02:04:30,100
the more extreme it's going

2033
02:04:30,100 --> 02:04:31,100
to get. More properties

2034
02:04:31,100 --> 02:04:32,100
undoubtedly are going

2035
02:04:32,100 --> 02:04:33,100
to be involved

2036
02:04:33,100 --> 02:04:34,100
in that. I would just like to

2037
02:04:34,100 --> 02:04:35,100
see and I know it's been three

2038
02:04:35,100 --> 02:04:36,100
years, but I know there's no

2039
02:04:36,100 --> 02:04:37,100
final decision and we're asking

2040
02:04:37,100 --> 02:04:39,100
FEMA to remap something,

2041
02:04:39,100 --> 02:04:41,100
relook at something they've

2042
02:04:41,100 --> 02:04:43,401
already published. I want

2043
02:04:44,100 --> 02:04:45,100
to know what the likelihood of

2044
02:04:45,100 --> 02:04:47,100
going forward and being

2045
02:04:47,100 --> 02:04:49,100
successful in that before we

2046
02:04:49,100 --> 02:04:50,100
actually start putting cash

2047
02:04:50,100 --> 02:04:52,100
on the line. And then my other

2048
02:04:52,100 --> 02:04:53,100
piece is that. Correct me if

2049
02:04:53,100 --> 02:04:55,100
I'm wrong,

2050
02:04:55,100 --> 02:04:57,100
FEMA produces these maps all

2051
02:04:57,100 --> 02:05:00,601
over the US the vast majority

2052
02:05:01,100 --> 02:05:03,100
of local jurisdictions, cities

2053
02:05:03,100 --> 02:05:05,100
and counties accept the maps

2054
02:05:05,100 --> 02:05:07,401
in order to participate

2055
02:05:08,100 --> 02:05:09,100
in the National Flood

2056
02:05:09,100 --> 02:05:11,100
Insurance Program, which

2057
02:05:11,100 --> 02:05:14,100
doesn't just benefit the county

2058
02:05:14,100 --> 02:05:15,100
in terms of disasters,

2059
02:05:15,100 --> 02:05:16,100
but obviously is essential

2060
02:05:16,100 --> 02:05:19,100
for people to get bank loans,

2061
02:05:19,100 --> 02:05:20,100
mortgages, VA loans,

2062
02:05:20,100 --> 02:05:22,100
participate in flood insurance

2063
02:05:22,100 --> 02:05:24,100
for better or worse. And I

2064
02:05:24,100 --> 02:05:26,100
understand the expenses

2065
02:05:26,100 --> 02:05:27,100
of that.

2066
02:05:27,100 --> 02:05:28,100
But what do other counties do?

2067
02:05:28,100 --> 02:05:30,100
The overlay, though? I think

2068
02:05:30,100 --> 02:05:31,100
some county. I believe that

2069
02:05:31,100 --> 02:05:32,100
we're being more transparent

2070
02:05:32,100 --> 02:05:34,100
by putting an F1 or an F2

2071
02:05:34,100 --> 02:05:35,100
on a zoning map

2072
02:05:35,100 --> 02:05:38,100
to let you know that, oh, crap,

2073
02:05:38,100 --> 02:05:40,100
my house is

2074
02:05:40,100 --> 02:05:42,100
in the floodplain or floodway.

2075
02:05:42,100 --> 02:05:44,100
Other jurisdictions adopt the

2076
02:05:44,100 --> 02:05:45,100
maps,

2077
02:05:45,100 --> 02:05:47,100
don't necessarily reflect it

2078
02:05:47,100 --> 02:05:49,100
in zoning,

2079
02:05:49,100 --> 02:05:50,100
and you will only know

2080
02:05:50,100 --> 02:05:51,100
through the bank,

2081
02:05:51,100 --> 02:05:52,100
you will only know

2082
02:05:52,100 --> 02:05:54,100
through your insurance. So

2083
02:05:54,100 --> 02:05:55,100
again, I understand the

2084
02:05:55,100 --> 02:05:56,100
frustration, but I do think our

2085
02:05:56,100 --> 02:05:57,100
county is being more

2086
02:05:57,100 --> 02:05:58,100
transparent by posting it,

2087
02:05:58,100 --> 02:06:00,100
putting it on the zoning. And I

2088
02:06:00,100 --> 02:06:03,100
guess that's. Did I say

2089
02:06:03,100 --> 02:06:04,100
anything wrong?

2090
02:06:04,100 --> 02:06:06,100
>>You did not say anything

2091
02:06:06,100 --> 02:06:07,100
wrong.

2092
02:06:07,100 --> 02:06:09,100
>>Okay. But I do think,

2093
02:06:09,100 --> 02:06:10,100
and I appreciate you

2094
02:06:10,100 --> 02:06:11,100
recognizing, you know, I don't

2095
02:06:11,100 --> 02:06:13,100
think there will ever be carve

2096
02:06:13,100 --> 02:06:14,100
outs in that,

2097
02:06:14,100 --> 02:06:16,100
but I do think that we can look

2098
02:06:16,100 --> 02:06:17,100
at the rebuilding

2099
02:06:17,100 --> 02:06:19,100
like you talked about. You

2100
02:06:19,100 --> 02:06:20,100
know, I want to make sure that

2101
02:06:20,100 --> 02:06:21,100
we're not any stricter and kind

2102
02:06:21,100 --> 02:06:22,100
of for the same reasons that

2103
02:06:22,100 --> 02:06:24,100
the fire rebuilds. And it's

2104
02:06:24,100 --> 02:06:26,100
ironic now that we're, you

2105
02:06:26,100 --> 02:06:27,100
know,

2106
02:06:27,100 --> 02:06:30,100
I think that it's a huge

2107
02:06:30,100 --> 02:06:31,100
dilemma for the state of

2108
02:06:31,100 --> 02:06:33,100
California and beyond

2109
02:06:33,100 --> 02:06:35,100
to talk about, you know,

2110
02:06:35,100 --> 02:06:37,100
rebuilding and has known

2111
02:06:37,100 --> 02:06:38,100
hazardous areas, whether it's

2112
02:06:38,100 --> 02:06:39,100
wildfire or floods. And it's a

2113
02:06:39,100 --> 02:06:41,100
difficult subject matter

2114
02:06:41,100 --> 02:06:42,100
because, you know,

2115
02:06:42,100 --> 02:06:44,100
there'll be another fire,

2116
02:06:44,100 --> 02:06:45,100
there'll be another flood, and

2117
02:06:45,100 --> 02:06:46,100
there's been the expenses that

2118
02:06:46,100 --> 02:06:48,401
will be occurred because

2119
02:06:49,100 --> 02:06:52,100
of that. So I look forward to

2120
02:06:52,100 --> 02:06:54,100
those discussions as we go

2121
02:06:54,100 --> 02:06:55,100
forward. I just want

2122
02:06:55,100 --> 02:06:56,100
to make sure on. And I know

2123
02:06:56,100 --> 02:06:57,100
today is not the commitment

2124
02:06:57,100 --> 02:06:58,100
of any money,

2125
02:06:58,100 --> 02:07:00,100
but I would damn well like

2126
02:07:00,100 --> 02:07:01,100
to see the Todd Creek, excuse

2127
02:07:01,100 --> 02:07:02,100
me, report before we go down

2128
02:07:02,100 --> 02:07:04,100
this other path because I think

2129
02:07:04,100 --> 02:07:06,100
that'll be an indication

2130
02:07:06,100 --> 02:07:09,100
of how successful we may or

2131
02:07:09,100 --> 02:07:11,100
may not be.

2132
02:07:11,100 --> 02:07:12,100
>>Thank you very much. I have a

2133
02:07:12,100 --> 02:07:15,601
very simple question. Why do we

2134
02:07:16,100 --> 02:07:18,100
do this? My understanding is

2135
02:07:18,100 --> 02:07:21,100
that we are one of the only

2136
02:07:21,100 --> 02:07:22,100
jurisdictions who takes this

2137
02:07:22,100 --> 02:07:24,100
additional step. And while it

2138
02:07:24,100 --> 02:07:25,100
may lead itself

2139
02:07:25,100 --> 02:07:26,100
to increased transparency,

2140
02:07:26,100 --> 02:07:28,100
it does actually also Create

2141
02:07:28,100 --> 02:07:29,100
additional restrictions

2142
02:07:29,100 --> 02:07:31,100
on people's proper. And then we

2143
02:07:31,100 --> 02:07:32,100
are actually the ones who are,

2144
02:07:32,100 --> 02:07:33,100
quite frankly,

2145
02:07:33,100 --> 02:07:35,100
taking the property right

2146
02:07:35,100 --> 02:07:36,100
of a property owner

2147
02:07:36,100 --> 02:07:39,100
to rebuild. And I think that,

2148
02:07:39,100 --> 02:07:40,100
you know, one of my chief

2149
02:07:40,100 --> 02:07:41,100
concerns is that we're not just

2150
02:07:41,100 --> 02:07:42,100
talking

2151
02:07:42,100 --> 02:07:43,100
about rebuilding after, you

2152
02:07:43,100 --> 02:07:45,100
know, a major wildfire or a

2153
02:07:45,100 --> 02:07:46,100
major flood when there's a lot

2154
02:07:46,100 --> 02:07:47,100
of political pressure and a lot

2155
02:07:47,100 --> 02:07:49,100
of attention on the community.

2156
02:07:49,100 --> 02:07:50,100
To give the example of

2157
02:07:50,100 --> 02:07:52,100
Stumptown that Peter raised

2158
02:07:52,100 --> 02:07:53,100
during the Mac meeting, you

2159
02:07:53,100 --> 02:07:55,100
know, what if a semi truck or a

2160
02:07:55,100 --> 02:07:56,100
car takes a turn wrong and

2161
02:07:56,100 --> 02:07:57,100
wrecks into his brewery and

2162
02:07:57,100 --> 02:07:58,100
it's just a one one

2163
02:07:58,100 --> 02:07:59,100
off where, you know,

2164
02:07:59,100 --> 02:08:01,100
more than 50%

2165
02:08:01,100 --> 02:08:02,100
of his structure is destroyed,

2166
02:08:02,100 --> 02:08:04,100
then force

2167
02:08:04,100 --> 02:08:05,100
to navigate consultants, try

2168
02:08:05,100 --> 02:08:07,100
to advocate for himself

2169
02:08:07,100 --> 02:08:08,100
without kind

2170
02:08:08,100 --> 02:08:09,100
of having an entire community

2171
02:08:09,100 --> 02:08:11,100
to back him. And, you know,

2172
02:08:11,100 --> 02:08:12,100
to come to board of

2173
02:08:12,100 --> 02:08:13,100
Supervisors meetings to ask

2174
02:08:13,100 --> 02:08:14,100
for the kinds

2175
02:08:14,100 --> 02:08:15,100
of things that we've done in,

2176
02:08:15,100 --> 02:08:17,100
you know, these kinds

2177
02:08:17,100 --> 02:08:18,100
of disasters with mass wildfire

2178
02:08:18,100 --> 02:08:20,100
and mass structure loss. So why

2179
02:08:20,100 --> 02:08:21,100
do we put ourselves

2180
02:08:21,100 --> 02:08:22,100
in this situation of kind

2181
02:08:22,100 --> 02:08:23,100
of making it more difficult on

2182
02:08:23,100 --> 02:08:25,100
property owners?

2183
02:08:29,100 --> 02:08:31,100
>>I'd say that, you know, for a

2184
02:08:31,100 --> 02:08:33,100
time this was the best solution

2185
02:08:33,100 --> 02:08:35,100
to a problem and a way

2186
02:08:35,100 --> 02:08:37,100
to get information out there,

2187
02:08:37,100 --> 02:08:39,401
as Supervisor Rabbit said,

2188
02:08:41,100 --> 02:08:43,100
about being transparent about

2189
02:08:43,100 --> 02:08:45,100
issues affecting properties.

2190
02:08:46,100 --> 02:08:48,100
But you're right,

2191
02:08:48,100 --> 02:08:50,100
it's been a really long time

2192
02:08:50,100 --> 02:08:51,100
since these were enacted and

2193
02:08:51,100 --> 02:08:53,100
they haven't been touched

2194
02:08:53,100 --> 02:08:54,100
since. And they've carried

2195
02:08:54,100 --> 02:08:56,100
forward in general plan, in

2196
02:08:56,100 --> 02:08:58,100
hazard mitigation plans ever

2197
02:08:58,100 --> 02:08:59,100
since. But as everything in the

2198
02:08:59,100 --> 02:09:01,401
world has gotten more

2199
02:09:02,100 --> 02:09:03,100
complicated,

2200
02:09:03,100 --> 02:09:04,100
everything is more regulated,

2201
02:09:04,100 --> 02:09:06,100
it does warrant another look

2202
02:09:06,100 --> 02:09:08,100
at it again, because we should

2203
02:09:08,100 --> 02:09:09,100
always be asking ourselves,

2204
02:09:09,100 --> 02:09:10,100
why are we putting ourselves

2205
02:09:10,100 --> 02:09:11,100
through this and trying

2206
02:09:11,100 --> 02:09:12,000
to be better the next time? So

2207
02:09:12,000 --> 02:09:14,100
as part of our update

2208
02:09:14,100 --> 02:09:15,100
to the safety element,

2209
02:09:15,100 --> 02:09:16,100
we do want

2210
02:09:16,100 --> 02:09:18,100
to reexamine this and a number

2211
02:09:18,100 --> 02:09:20,100
of other zones that we have

2212
02:09:20,100 --> 02:09:22,100
that were created a long time

2213
02:09:22,100 --> 02:09:23,100
ago and maybe accomplished

2214
02:09:23,100 --> 02:09:25,100
in other ways. So it's not to

2215
02:09:25,100 --> 02:09:26,100
say that they don't have value,

2216
02:09:26,100 --> 02:09:28,100
but the language might need

2217
02:09:28,100 --> 02:09:30,100
to change or things might need

2218
02:09:30,100 --> 02:09:31,100
to get more clear. Again, back

2219
02:09:31,100 --> 02:09:33,100
to that earlier comment

2220
02:09:33,100 --> 02:09:34,100
of making it easy for people to

2221
02:09:34,100 --> 02:09:35,100
understand.

2222
02:09:35,100 --> 02:09:37,100
>>Thank you very much. And then

2223
02:09:37,100 --> 02:09:39,100
I was wondering if you had any

2224
02:09:39,100 --> 02:09:40,100
additional information. This is

2225
02:09:40,100 --> 02:09:41,100
something that we just found

2226
02:09:41,100 --> 02:09:42,100
out about, about the community

2227
02:09:42,100 --> 02:09:44,100
rating system. My understanding

2228
02:09:44,100 --> 02:09:46,100
is that if communities, you

2229
02:09:46,100 --> 02:09:47,100
know, undertake kind

2230
02:09:47,100 --> 02:09:48,100
of flood mitigation efforts,

2231
02:09:48,100 --> 02:09:49,100
that they can receive up

2232
02:09:49,100 --> 02:09:51,100
to a 45% discount

2233
02:09:51,100 --> 02:09:52,100
on flood insurance premiums,

2234
02:09:52,100 --> 02:09:54,100
which be, you know, real money

2235
02:09:54,100 --> 02:09:56,100
in the hands of local folks who

2236
02:09:56,100 --> 02:09:57,100
are facing ever increasing cost

2237
02:09:57,100 --> 02:09:58,100
of living escalations. And I

2238
02:09:58,100 --> 02:10:00,100
guess that the county used

2239
02:10:00,100 --> 02:10:02,100
to participate in this

2240
02:10:02,100 --> 02:10:04,100
but it lasts sometime in the

2241
02:10:04,100 --> 02:10:05,100
90s or early 2000s. I have no

2242
02:10:05,100 --> 02:10:07,100
idea which department was even

2243
02:10:07,100 --> 02:10:08,100
in charge of this. Do you have

2244
02:10:08,100 --> 02:10:09,100
any information about this?

2245
02:10:09,100 --> 02:10:10,100
>>So we do have our floodplain

2246
02:10:10,100 --> 02:10:11,100
manager kind of working

2247
02:10:11,100 --> 02:10:13,100
on an application

2248
02:10:13,100 --> 02:10:15,100
at the moment. And we expect

2249
02:10:15,100 --> 02:10:17,100
to have a, you know, kind

2250
02:10:17,100 --> 02:10:19,100
of set

2251
02:10:19,100 --> 02:10:20,100
of deadlines and an estimate

2252
02:10:20,100 --> 02:10:22,100
on how much time it's going

2253
02:10:22,100 --> 02:10:23,100
to take. It is a pretty

2254
02:10:23,100 --> 02:10:24,100
significant application. One

2255
02:10:24,100 --> 02:10:26,100
thing that we didn't mention

2256
02:10:26,100 --> 02:10:28,100
today, but that did come up

2257
02:10:28,100 --> 02:10:29,100
in the community meetings was

2258
02:10:29,100 --> 02:10:31,100
in the 90s we actually got

2259
02:10:31,100 --> 02:10:32,100
audited by FEMA and were

2260
02:10:32,100 --> 02:10:33,100
essentially placed

2261
02:10:33,100 --> 02:10:35,100
on probation. So they do look

2262
02:10:35,100 --> 02:10:37,100
at things

2263
02:10:37,100 --> 02:10:38,100
like whether we're adhering

2264
02:10:38,100 --> 02:10:39,100
to the federal standards,

2265
02:10:39,100 --> 02:10:41,100
things

2266
02:10:41,100 --> 02:10:43,100
like having the prohibition in

2267
02:10:43,100 --> 02:10:45,401
F1 increase our scorecard

2268
02:10:47,100 --> 02:10:49,100
rating, but also take away

2269
02:10:49,100 --> 02:10:51,100
development potential. So it

2270
02:10:51,100 --> 02:10:54,100
could be something that gets

2271
02:10:54,100 --> 02:10:56,100
everyone countywide a 10%

2272
02:10:56,100 --> 02:10:59,100
discount. But it means that

2273
02:11:00,100 --> 02:11:02,100
certain people, they're out

2274
02:11:02,100 --> 02:11:04,100
of luck. So it's that balancing

2275
02:11:04,100 --> 02:11:05,100
act of how do we get the most

2276
02:11:05,100 --> 02:11:07,100
potential kind of good

2277
02:11:07,100 --> 02:11:09,100
for everybody

2278
02:11:11,100 --> 02:11:12,100
without leaving anybody left

2279
02:11:12,100 --> 02:11:13,100
by the wayside. So we're doing

2280
02:11:13,100 --> 02:11:16,100
that analysis. We are preparing

2281
02:11:16,100 --> 02:11:19,100
a work plan because we do

2282
02:11:19,100 --> 02:11:22,100
understand that it's a very

2283
02:11:22,100 --> 02:11:24,100
time intensive process

2284
02:11:24,100 --> 02:11:26,100
to do that application. Then

2285
02:11:26,100 --> 02:11:27,100
it's another thing that we have

2286
02:11:27,100 --> 02:11:29,100
to stick with and we'll have

2287
02:11:29,100 --> 02:11:30,100
monitoring on. So it's not just

2288
02:11:30,100 --> 02:11:32,100
a one time and we're good

2289
02:11:32,100 --> 02:11:33,100
forever.

2290
02:11:33,100 --> 02:11:35,100
>>Great.

2291
02:11:36,100 --> 02:11:37,100
>>Thank you so much

2292
02:11:37,100 --> 02:11:40,100
for that then. My last question

2293
02:11:40,100 --> 02:11:41,100
is, I love some

2294
02:11:41,100 --> 02:11:42,100
of the suggestions that you had

2295
02:11:42,100 --> 02:11:43,100
of looking again at legal,

2296
02:11:43,100 --> 02:11:44,100
nonconforming, looking at

2297
02:11:44,100 --> 02:11:46,100
possible overlays. I just want

2298
02:11:46,100 --> 02:11:47,100
to say for the record that I

2299
02:11:47,100 --> 02:11:48,100
think that every business

2300
02:11:48,100 --> 02:11:50,100
in an urban surface, surface

2301
02:11:50,100 --> 02:11:52,100
area, small town is an

2302
02:11:52,100 --> 02:11:53,100
essential business and they

2303
02:11:53,100 --> 02:11:54,100
kind of mutually depend

2304
02:11:54,100 --> 02:11:55,100
on one another to essentially

2305
02:11:55,100 --> 02:11:57,100
have that critical mass

2306
02:11:57,100 --> 02:11:58,100
to get folks in, you know,

2307
02:11:58,100 --> 02:11:59,100
to come and, you know,

2308
02:11:59,100 --> 02:12:01,100
purchase things at Stumptown

2309
02:12:01,100 --> 02:12:02,100
Brewery and then, you know, go

2310
02:12:02,100 --> 02:12:03,100
over to Farmhand. And I mean

2311
02:12:03,100 --> 02:12:05,100
it's all, it's all sort

2312
02:12:05,100 --> 02:12:06,100
of part of a common commercial

2313
02:12:06,100 --> 02:12:08,100
ecosystem. And so when we're

2314
02:12:08,100 --> 02:12:09,100
talking about possible policy

2315
02:12:09,100 --> 02:12:11,100
medications,

2316
02:12:11,100 --> 02:12:12,100
what's the timeline

2317
02:12:12,100 --> 02:12:13,100
for bringing that back

2318
02:12:13,100 --> 02:12:14,100
to the board? Is that something

2319
02:12:14,100 --> 02:12:15,100
that we're going to look at

2320
02:12:15,100 --> 02:12:16,100
in the general plan update?

2321
02:12:16,100 --> 02:12:17,100
You know, what are ways that

2322
02:12:17,100 --> 02:12:18,100
the community can provide

2323
02:12:18,100 --> 02:12:19,100
input? Because I know that

2324
02:12:19,100 --> 02:12:21,100
there's some strong feelings

2325
02:12:21,100 --> 02:12:22,100
out in lower Russian river,

2326
02:12:22,100 --> 02:12:24,100
understandably so,

2327
02:12:24,100 --> 02:12:25,100
about this and want to make

2328
02:12:25,100 --> 02:12:26,100
sure that this isn't just

2329
02:12:26,100 --> 02:12:27,100
something that we'll say that

2330
02:12:27,100 --> 02:12:28,100
we'll do sometime,

2331
02:12:28,100 --> 02:12:30,100
but make sure that we actually,

2332
02:12:30,100 --> 02:12:31,100
you know,

2333
02:12:31,100 --> 02:12:32,100
are moving forward and

2334
02:12:32,100 --> 02:12:33,100
committed

2335
02:12:33,100 --> 02:12:34,100
to hearing that feedback,

2336
02:12:34,100 --> 02:12:35,100
receiving that feedback and

2337
02:12:35,100 --> 02:12:36,100
coming up with policy

2338
02:12:36,100 --> 02:12:37,100
modifications.

2339
02:12:37,100 --> 02:12:38,100
>>Well, one thing that I heard

2340
02:12:38,100 --> 02:12:39,100
loud and clear at the lower

2341
02:12:39,100 --> 02:12:42,100
Rush Nuver Mac meeting is any

2342
02:12:42,100 --> 02:12:44,401
policy discussion that affects

2343
02:12:47,100 --> 02:12:48,100
west county starts and ends

2344
02:12:48,100 --> 02:12:49,100
at that body. So that means

2345
02:12:49,100 --> 02:12:50,100
once we start something, that's

2346
02:12:50,100 --> 02:12:51,100
the first place we're going

2347
02:12:51,100 --> 02:12:52,100
to go in terms

2348
02:12:52,100 --> 02:12:54,100
of things that are kind

2349
02:12:54,100 --> 02:12:55,100
of already in process that

2350
02:12:55,100 --> 02:12:56,100
there could be an avenue

2351
02:12:56,100 --> 02:12:58,100
to accelerate the timelines.

2352
02:12:58,100 --> 02:13:00,100
We will be bringing forth the

2353
02:13:00,100 --> 02:13:02,100
public safety and environmental

2354
02:13:02,100 --> 02:13:04,100
justice elements,

2355
02:13:05,100 --> 02:13:07,100
two separate elements that are

2356
02:13:07,100 --> 02:13:08,100
on the significant item

2357
02:13:08,100 --> 02:13:09,100
calendar, I believe, for May or

2358
02:13:09,100 --> 02:13:12,100
possibly the first meeting in

2359
02:13:13,100 --> 02:13:14,100
June before budget. So as part

2360
02:13:14,100 --> 02:13:15,100
of that process, we look

2361
02:13:15,100 --> 02:13:18,100
at programs that are kind

2362
02:13:20,100 --> 02:13:21,100
of going

2363
02:13:21,100 --> 02:13:22,100
to govern the work plan

2364
02:13:22,100 --> 02:13:24,100
for the next few years

2365
02:13:24,100 --> 02:13:26,100
at the very least. So I think

2366
02:13:26,100 --> 02:13:28,100
this perfectly aligns

2367
02:13:28,100 --> 02:13:30,100
with that. And

2368
02:13:30,100 --> 02:13:33,100
through that process we may be

2369
02:13:33,100 --> 02:13:35,100
able to again identify things

2370
02:13:35,100 --> 02:13:36,100
that we can do sooner that

2371
02:13:36,100 --> 02:13:38,100
aren't related to zoning or

2372
02:13:38,100 --> 02:13:40,100
building code or things like

2373
02:13:40,100 --> 02:13:42,100
that that will require the

2374
02:13:42,100 --> 02:13:44,100
multi stage public process and

2375
02:13:44,100 --> 02:13:46,100
hearings and two minutes

2376
02:13:46,100 --> 02:13:48,100
for everyone. So that's another

2377
02:13:48,100 --> 02:13:50,100
thing that we're, we're going

2378
02:13:50,100 --> 02:13:51,100
to be looking into.

2379
02:13:51,100 --> 02:13:53,100
>>Great. So public safety and

2380
02:13:53,100 --> 02:13:54,100
EJ elements coming to the board

2381
02:13:54,100 --> 02:13:55,100
and that's an opportunity

2382
02:13:55,100 --> 02:13:57,100
to provide direction to staff

2383
02:13:57,100 --> 02:13:58,100
to incorporate these kinds

2384
02:13:58,100 --> 02:13:59,100
of policies into the work plan

2385
02:13:59,100 --> 02:14:00,100
going forward. And that's

2386
02:14:00,100 --> 02:14:02,100
something that we can also

2387
02:14:02,100 --> 02:14:03,100
bring to the lower Russian

2388
02:14:03,100 --> 02:14:04,100
River. Mac have a meeting out

2389
02:14:04,100 --> 02:14:06,100
in Greenville, hopefully

2390
02:14:06,100 --> 02:14:07,100
at our retrofitted bank of

2391
02:14:07,100 --> 02:14:08,100
America building. We're trying

2392
02:14:08,100 --> 02:14:09,100
to get that up so that we can

2393
02:14:09,100 --> 02:14:10,100
have community meetings there.

2394
02:14:10,100 --> 02:14:11,100
And that's sort

2395
02:14:11,100 --> 02:14:12,100
of the next steps

2396
02:14:12,100 --> 02:14:13,100
for this.

2397
02:14:13,100 --> 02:14:15,100
>>Yes, And I would add that

2398
02:14:15,100 --> 02:14:16,100
even bigger than that, as part

2399
02:14:16,100 --> 02:14:17,100
of the larger general Plan

2400
02:14:17,100 --> 02:14:19,100
update in 2025, there's going

2401
02:14:19,100 --> 02:14:20,100
to be multiple outreach

2402
02:14:20,100 --> 02:14:22,100
meetings, you know, both

2403
02:14:22,100 --> 02:14:23,100
in person and virtual. And

2404
02:14:23,100 --> 02:14:25,100
we're exploring kind

2405
02:14:25,100 --> 02:14:27,100
of a number of different ways

2406
02:14:27,100 --> 02:14:28,100
to bring in different voices,

2407
02:14:28,100 --> 02:14:30,100
different parts

2408
02:14:30,100 --> 02:14:31,100
of the county. So that'll be

2409
02:14:31,100 --> 02:14:33,100
another opportunity to express

2410
02:14:33,100 --> 02:14:35,100
things that people want to see

2411
02:14:35,100 --> 02:14:38,100
in the next general plan.

2412
02:14:38,100 --> 02:14:39,100
>>Great. And we talked

2413
02:14:39,100 --> 02:14:40,100
at our meeting last Friday

2414
02:14:40,100 --> 02:14:41,100
about actually adding those

2415
02:14:41,100 --> 02:14:42,100
dates to our calendar

2416
02:14:42,100 --> 02:14:43,100
of significant items. So even

2417
02:14:43,100 --> 02:14:44,100
though it's not a board

2418
02:14:44,100 --> 02:14:45,100
meeting, we'll have it

2419
02:14:45,100 --> 02:14:46,100
in every single Board of

2420
02:14:46,100 --> 02:14:47,100
Supervisors agenda packet and

2421
02:14:47,100 --> 02:14:49,100
folks have easily access to

2422
02:14:49,100 --> 02:14:50,100
knowing when those meetings are

2423
02:14:50,100 --> 02:14:52,100
coming up. So. Great. Last

2424
02:14:52,100 --> 02:14:53,100
question is actually really

2425
02:14:53,100 --> 02:14:54,100
more

2426
02:14:54,100 --> 02:14:56,100
for the CEO and I just want

2427
02:14:56,100 --> 02:14:57,100
to share that I feel like New

2428
02:14:57,100 --> 02:14:58,100
Jersey is doing a much better

2429
02:14:58,100 --> 02:14:59,100
job than California in terms

2430
02:14:59,100 --> 02:15:01,100
of looking at flood prone

2431
02:15:01,100 --> 02:15:03,100
communities. I actually heard a

2432
02:15:03,100 --> 02:15:04,100
program

2433
02:15:04,100 --> 02:15:06,100
on KQED quite some time ago

2434
02:15:06,100 --> 02:15:07,100
about how they are proactively

2435
02:15:07,100 --> 02:15:09,100
and totally voluntary basis,

2436
02:15:09,100 --> 02:15:11,100
you know, offering funds

2437
02:15:11,100 --> 02:15:12,100
to buy out properties that are

2438
02:15:12,100 --> 02:15:13,100
in flood prone areas. And it

2439
02:15:13,100 --> 02:15:15,100
feels like we're sort of taking

2440
02:15:15,100 --> 02:15:17,100
the exact opposite approach,

2441
02:15:17,100 --> 02:15:18,100
which is essentially coming in

2442
02:15:18,100 --> 02:15:20,100
and telling people that their

2443
02:15:20,100 --> 02:15:22,100
property in the future could be

2444
02:15:22,100 --> 02:15:24,100
worth nothing

2445
02:15:24,100 --> 02:15:25,100
after they've sort

2446
02:15:25,100 --> 02:15:26,100
of poured their life savings

2447
02:15:26,100 --> 02:15:27,100
into it. And so I just want

2448
02:15:27,100 --> 02:15:28,100
to see if there is room

2449
02:15:28,100 --> 02:15:30,100
in our legislative platform

2450
02:15:30,100 --> 02:15:32,100
to consider advocating for,

2451
02:15:32,100 --> 02:15:33,100
you know, if there are

2452
02:15:33,100 --> 02:15:34,100
voluntary opportunities that

2453
02:15:34,100 --> 02:15:36,100
could potentially feed into,

2454
02:15:36,100 --> 02:15:37,100
say,

2455
02:15:37,100 --> 02:15:38,100
that FEMA community rating

2456
02:15:38,100 --> 02:15:39,100
system, which could help get,

2457
02:15:39,100 --> 02:15:40,100
you know, discounts

2458
02:15:40,100 --> 02:15:41,100
for other folks. That, that's

2459
02:15:41,100 --> 02:15:43,100
something that I would support,

2460
02:15:43,100 --> 02:15:44,100
which is, you know,

2461
02:15:44,100 --> 02:15:45,100
someone who is in a super low

2462
02:15:45,100 --> 02:15:46,100
lying area that floods all the

2463
02:15:46,100 --> 02:15:47,100
time and they're getting tired

2464
02:15:47,100 --> 02:15:49,100
of it, you know,

2465
02:15:49,100 --> 02:15:50,100
wants an opportunity

2466
02:15:50,100 --> 02:15:51,100
to be bought out, but that's an

2467
02:15:51,100 --> 02:15:53,100
opportunity they would have

2468
02:15:53,100 --> 02:15:55,100
available to them as opposed

2469
02:15:55,100 --> 02:15:56,100
to kind of a, you know,

2470
02:15:56,100 --> 02:15:57,100
force feeding approach. And so

2471
02:15:57,100 --> 02:15:59,100
is that something that we could

2472
02:15:59,100 --> 02:16:00,100
potentially look at in terms of

2473
02:16:00,100 --> 02:16:01,100
legislative advocacy? I don't

2474
02:16:01,100 --> 02:16:02,100
know how much traction we're

2475
02:16:02,100 --> 02:16:03,100
going to get

2476
02:16:03,100 --> 02:16:04,100
in the next four years

2477
02:16:04,100 --> 02:16:05,100
at the federal level, but we

2478
02:16:05,100 --> 02:16:06,100
can always ask the state,

2479
02:16:06,100 --> 02:16:07,100
who I believe is also going to

2480
02:16:07,100 --> 02:16:09,100
be taking a big budget hit as a

2481
02:16:09,100 --> 02:16:10,100
result of what happened. Just

2482
02:16:10,100 --> 02:16:11,100
happened in LA.

2483
02:16:11,100 --> 02:16:12,100
>>Correct.

2484
02:16:12,100 --> 02:16:13,100
>>We will take it back and

2485
02:16:13,100 --> 02:16:14,100
consider it. I feel like your

2486
02:16:14,100 --> 02:16:16,100
current legislative platform

2487
02:16:16,100 --> 02:16:17,100
principles in terms

2488
02:16:17,100 --> 02:16:18,100
of the climate, you know,

2489
02:16:18,100 --> 02:16:19,100
protection and resiliency is

2490
02:16:19,100 --> 02:16:20,100
where we could fit that kind

2491
02:16:20,100 --> 02:16:21,100
of conversation.

2492
02:16:21,100 --> 02:16:22,100
But as you said,

2493
02:16:22,100 --> 02:16:23,100
whether or not we'll get a lot

2494
02:16:23,100 --> 02:16:25,100
of traction in the short term

2495
02:16:25,100 --> 02:16:27,100
is probably optimistic.

2496
02:16:27,100 --> 02:16:28,100
>>At least we can start the

2497
02:16:28,100 --> 02:16:29,100
conversation. Maybe five years

2498
02:16:29,100 --> 02:16:30,100
from now we can get the

2499
02:16:30,100 --> 02:16:32,100
funding. All right with that,

2500
02:16:32,100 --> 02:16:33,100
are there any other comments or

2501
02:16:33,100 --> 02:16:34,100
questions from my colleagues?

2502
02:16:34,100 --> 02:16:37,100
Seeing none. If anyone would

2503
02:16:37,100 --> 02:16:39,100
like to make a motion

2504
02:16:39,100 --> 02:16:40,100
on this item,

2505
02:16:40,100 --> 02:16:43,100
would entertain a motion. Oh,

2506
02:16:43,100 --> 02:16:45,100
and I'm gonna officially,

2507
02:16:45,100 --> 02:16:46,100
sorry, officially close the

2508
02:16:46,100 --> 02:16:47,100
public hearing and I heard

2509
02:16:47,100 --> 02:16:48,100
of a motion. Okay. Do we have a

2510
02:16:48,100 --> 02:16:49,100
second from Supervisor Corsi? I

2511
02:16:49,100 --> 02:16:51,100
think he beat you

2512
02:16:51,100 --> 02:16:52,100
by a second. And could we

2513
02:16:52,100 --> 02:16:53,100
please do a voice vote on this

2514
02:16:53,100 --> 02:16:55,100
one or a roll call vote?

2515
02:16:55,100 --> 02:16:57,100
>>[ ROLL CALL ]

2516
02:17:12,100 --> 02:17:13,100
>>Chair Hopkins and I will be a

2517
02:17:13,100 --> 02:17:15,100
no on A and a yes on B. I do

2518
02:17:15,100 --> 02:17:16,100
believe that this needs

2519
02:17:16,100 --> 02:17:17,100
to pass. It has passed

2520
02:17:17,100 --> 02:17:18,100
with the support

2521
02:17:18,100 --> 02:17:19,100
of my colleagues.

2522
02:17:19,100 --> 02:17:20,100
But I just do want

2523
02:17:20,100 --> 02:17:21,100
to register the protest

2524
02:17:21,100 --> 02:17:22,100
of whether it's, you know,

2525
02:17:22,100 --> 02:17:23,100
appropriate for us to take

2526
02:17:23,100 --> 02:17:24,100
actions that negatively impact

2527
02:17:24,100 --> 02:17:26,100
property owners. So no on A,

2528
02:17:26,100 --> 02:17:29,100
yes on B. With that,

2529
02:17:31,100 --> 02:17:33,100
the motion does carry. And

2530
02:17:33,100 --> 02:17:34,100
thank you all so much for your

2531
02:17:34,100 --> 02:17:35,100
presentation and a special

2532
02:17:35,100 --> 02:17:36,100
thank you for heading out to

2533
02:17:36,100 --> 02:17:38,100
Guernville. I know,

2534
02:17:38,100 --> 02:17:39,100
it was a very robust meeting,

2535
02:17:39,100 --> 02:17:40,100
as we would say, out in West

2536
02:17:40,100 --> 02:17:41,100
County. You all were amazing,

2537
02:17:41,100 --> 02:17:42,100
handled the questions

2538
02:17:42,100 --> 02:17:44,100
excellently and I think really

2539
02:17:44,100 --> 02:17:45,100
internalized the feedback and

2540
02:17:45,100 --> 02:17:47,100
brought it back. So I'm looking

2541
02:17:47,100 --> 02:17:48,100
forward to next steps on the EJ

2542
02:17:48,100 --> 02:17:50,100
and public safety elements.

2543
02:17:50,100 --> 02:17:53,100
Thank you very much. And

2544
02:17:53,100 --> 02:17:54,100
with that, we will be going

2545
02:17:54,100 --> 02:17:56,100
ahead and moving on

2546
02:17:56,100 --> 02:17:58,100
to our next agenda item,

2547
02:17:58,100 --> 02:18:01,100
which is agenda item 32. And I

2548
02:18:01,100 --> 02:18:02,100
believe that we have Adam

2549
02:18:02,100 --> 02:18:04,100
Brand from County Council and

2550
02:18:04,100 --> 02:18:05,100
Dan Mason coming up from

2551
02:18:05,100 --> 02:18:06,100
Sonoma Water to present this

2552
02:18:06,100 --> 02:18:08,100
one.

2553
02:18:12,100 --> 02:18:14,100
>>Yeah.

2554
02:18:24,100 --> 02:18:25,100
>>You will have comment

2555
02:18:25,100 --> 02:18:26,100
on matters not listed

2556
02:18:26,100 --> 02:18:28,100
on the agenda. It will be

2557
02:18:28,100 --> 02:18:31,100
after the conclusion of our

2558
02:18:32,100 --> 02:18:33,100
regularly scheduled items,

2559
02:18:33,100 --> 02:18:35,100
so it will be a bit later. We

2560
02:18:35,100 --> 02:18:36,100
have two more after this one.

2561
02:18:36,100 --> 02:18:37,100
No, two more. Total this,

2562
02:18:37,100 --> 02:18:39,100
including this one.

2563
02:18:40,100 --> 02:18:41,100
>>Take it away whenever you're

2564
02:18:41,100 --> 02:18:43,100
ready.

2565
02:19:17,100 --> 02:19:19,100
>>Okay. Good morning,

2566
02:19:19,100 --> 02:19:21,100
chair and board members. My

2567
02:19:21,100 --> 02:19:23,100
name is Dan Mason

2568
02:19:23,100 --> 02:19:24,100
from the real Estate section

2569
02:19:24,100 --> 02:19:27,601
of Sonoma Water. I am here

2570
02:19:29,100 --> 02:19:30,100
to request board approval

2571
02:19:30,100 --> 02:19:31,100
of one of the two resolutions

2572
02:19:31,100 --> 02:19:33,100
being presented declaring our

2573
02:19:33,100 --> 02:19:35,100
Hewitt street property surplus

2574
02:19:35,100 --> 02:19:37,100
land and our intent to sell.

2575
02:19:37,100 --> 02:19:40,100
Sorry. Sonoma Water is required

2576
02:19:48,100 --> 02:19:49,100
to follow the Surplus Land act

2577
02:19:49,100 --> 02:19:50,100
and present to you

2578
02:19:50,100 --> 02:19:51,100
for your approval one of these

2579
02:19:51,100 --> 02:19:53,100
two resolution options.

2580
02:19:53,100 --> 02:19:55,401
Resolution 1 would declare the

2581
02:19:57,100 --> 02:19:59,100
surplus property exempt surplus

2582
02:19:59,100 --> 02:20:01,100
land with our intent to sell.

2583
02:20:01,100 --> 02:20:03,401
Resolution number two would

2584
02:20:05,100 --> 02:20:07,401
declare the surplus property

2585
02:20:08,100 --> 02:20:10,100
surplus land with our intent

2586
02:20:10,100 --> 02:20:13,100
to sell. Either option is

2587
02:20:13,100 --> 02:20:15,100
available to Sonoma Water

2588
02:20:15,100 --> 02:20:17,100
because it is recognized as a

2589
02:20:17,100 --> 02:20:19,100
district within the Surplus

2590
02:20:19,100 --> 02:20:21,401
Land act. Approval approving

2591
02:20:24,100 --> 02:20:26,100
Resolution 1 declaring the

2592
02:20:27,100 --> 02:20:29,100
property exempt surplus land

2593
02:20:29,100 --> 02:20:31,100
would allow us

2594
02:20:32,100 --> 02:20:34,100
to sell the property

2595
02:20:34,100 --> 02:20:36,100
by a public sealed bid auction

2596
02:20:36,100 --> 02:20:39,100
to be held at the office of

2597
02:20:39,100 --> 02:20:41,100
Sonoma Water. We recommend this

2598
02:20:41,100 --> 02:20:43,100
option because it would help

2599
02:20:43,100 --> 02:20:45,100
expedite the sale of the

2600
02:20:45,100 --> 02:20:47,100
property and reduce our current

2601
02:20:47,100 --> 02:20:49,100
holding costs. Our previous

2602
02:20:49,100 --> 02:20:51,100
attempt to sell the property

2603
02:20:51,100 --> 02:20:52,100
for affordable housing was

2604
02:20:52,100 --> 02:20:54,100
unsuccessful and has required

2605
02:20:54,100 --> 02:20:56,100
us to own the property much

2606
02:20:56,100 --> 02:20:58,401
longer than anticipated. The

2607
02:20:59,100 --> 02:21:01,100
process. The process

2608
02:21:01,100 --> 02:21:03,100
to sell the property outlined

2609
02:21:03,100 --> 02:21:05,100
in Resolution 1 would be first

2610
02:21:05,100 --> 02:21:07,100
to notify the California

2611
02:21:07,100 --> 02:21:09,100
Department of Housing and

2612
02:21:09,100 --> 02:21:10,100
Community Development

2613
02:21:10,100 --> 02:21:12,100
of the surplus of the exempt

2614
02:21:12,100 --> 02:21:14,100
surplus land declaration

2615
02:21:14,100 --> 02:21:17,100
for their approval. Next, we

2616
02:21:17,100 --> 02:21:19,100
would hold the public sealed

2617
02:21:19,100 --> 02:21:20,100
bid auction at sonoma Water

2618
02:21:20,100 --> 02:21:23,100
on April 9 and announce the

2619
02:21:23,100 --> 02:21:25,100
highest bidder

2620
02:21:25,100 --> 02:21:27,100
at the auction. Once a purchase

2621
02:21:27,100 --> 02:21:29,100
agreement is approved

2622
02:21:30,100 --> 02:21:32,100
by the buyer and Sonoma

2623
02:21:32,100 --> 02:21:34,100
Water, we will return

2624
02:21:34,100 --> 02:21:36,100
to the board

2625
02:21:37,100 --> 02:21:38,100
for your approval. The

2626
02:21:38,100 --> 02:21:40,100
Surplus Land act would require

2627
02:21:40,100 --> 02:21:42,100
the purchase agreement to

2628
02:21:42,100 --> 02:21:44,100
contain a 15% affordable

2629
02:21:45,100 --> 02:21:47,100
housing requirement if 10 or

2630
02:21:47,100 --> 02:21:50,100
more housing units are built.

2631
02:21:51,100 --> 02:21:53,100
Approving resolution number

2632
02:21:53,100 --> 02:21:54,100
two, declaring the property

2633
02:21:54,100 --> 02:21:56,100
surplus land would require us

2634
02:21:56,100 --> 02:21:58,100
for a second time

2635
02:21:58,100 --> 02:22:00,100
to offer the property for sale

2636
02:22:00,100 --> 02:22:02,401
to local government agencies

2637
02:22:03,100 --> 02:22:05,401
and housing sponsors identified

2638
02:22:06,100 --> 02:22:08,100
by the California Department

2639
02:22:08,100 --> 02:22:10,100
of Housing and Community

2640
02:22:10,100 --> 02:22:12,401
Development. HCD. The process

2641
02:22:14,100 --> 02:22:16,100
to sell the property by

2642
02:22:16,100 --> 02:22:18,401
Resolution 2 would be first

2643
02:22:19,100 --> 02:22:21,100
to send a notice

2644
02:22:21,100 --> 02:22:23,100
of availability an NOA to the

2645
02:22:23,100 --> 02:22:25,401
local government agencies and

2646
02:22:26,100 --> 02:22:28,100
HCD housing sponsors and wait

2647
02:22:28,100 --> 02:22:30,100
60 days for any interest

2648
02:22:30,100 --> 02:22:32,100
to purchase the property. If

2649
02:22:32,100 --> 02:22:33,100
interest is shown, negotiate

2650
02:22:33,100 --> 02:22:35,100
with potential buyers for

2651
02:22:35,100 --> 02:22:37,100
at least 90 days

2652
02:22:37,100 --> 02:22:39,100
to reach an agreement

2653
02:22:39,100 --> 02:22:41,100
to buy the property. If a

2654
02:22:41,100 --> 02:22:42,100
purchase agreement is reached

2655
02:22:42,100 --> 02:22:44,100
between the buyer and Sonoma

2656
02:22:44,100 --> 02:22:46,100
Water, we will return

2657
02:22:46,100 --> 02:22:48,100
to the board

2658
02:22:48,100 --> 02:22:49,100
for your approval. The

2659
02:22:49,100 --> 02:22:51,100
Surplus Land act would require

2660
02:22:51,100 --> 02:22:52,100
the purchase agreement to

2661
02:22:52,100 --> 02:22:54,100
contain a 25% affordable

2662
02:22:54,100 --> 02:22:56,401
housing requirement. If no

2663
02:22:57,100 --> 02:22:58,100
government agency or housing

2664
02:22:58,100 --> 02:23:00,100
sponsor responds,

2665
02:23:01,100 --> 02:23:03,100
or if negotiations are

2666
02:23:03,100 --> 02:23:05,100
unsuccessful, we will return

2667
02:23:05,100 --> 02:23:07,100
to the board again

2668
02:23:07,100 --> 02:23:08,100
to request approval to hold a

2669
02:23:08,100 --> 02:23:10,100
public sealed bid auction

2670
02:23:10,100 --> 02:23:13,100
to sell the property. Prior

2671
02:23:17,100 --> 02:23:19,100
board actions In 2001, Sonoma

2672
02:23:19,100 --> 02:23:21,401
Water purchased the Hewitt

2673
02:23:22,100 --> 02:23:23,100
street property as part

2674
02:23:23,100 --> 02:23:25,401
of a settlement. In 2015,

2675
02:23:26,100 --> 02:23:28,100
Sonoma Water completed a lot

2676
02:23:28,100 --> 02:23:30,100
line adjustment

2677
02:23:30,100 --> 02:23:32,100
to isolate the Santa Cruz

2678
02:23:32,100 --> 02:23:34,100
Santa Rosa Creek portion

2679
02:23:34,100 --> 02:23:36,100
of the property. In 2017,

2680
02:23:36,100 --> 02:23:38,401
Sonoma Water declared the

2681
02:23:39,100 --> 02:23:41,100
property surplus land and the

2682
02:23:41,100 --> 02:23:43,100
property was offered for sale

2683
02:23:43,100 --> 02:23:46,100
to local and state agencies.

2684
02:23:46,100 --> 02:23:48,401
In 2019, Sonoma Water agreed

2685
02:23:50,100 --> 02:23:52,100
to sell the property to the

2686
02:23:52,100 --> 02:23:53,100
Community Development

2687
02:23:53,100 --> 02:23:55,100
Commission and entered

2688
02:23:55,100 --> 02:23:58,100
into a purchase agreement. In

2689
02:23:58,100 --> 02:24:00,100
2022, the Community

2690
02:24:01,100 --> 02:24:02,100
Development Commission and

2691
02:24:02,100 --> 02:24:04,100
Sonoma Water canceled the sale

2692
02:24:04,100 --> 02:24:06,100
of the property.

2693
02:24:06,100 --> 02:24:08,100
>>Thank you.

2694
02:24:12,100 --> 02:24:13,100
>>And with that I will bring it

2695
02:24:13,100 --> 02:24:14,100
back and hand it over

2696
02:24:14,100 --> 02:24:15,100
to the district supervisor,

2697
02:24:15,100 --> 02:24:16,100
Supervisor Corsi.

2698
02:24:16,100 --> 02:24:18,100
>>Thank you. Can you. Well,

2699
02:24:18,100 --> 02:24:20,100
in 2019 was community

2700
02:24:24,100 --> 02:24:26,100
development Commission. That

2701
02:24:26,100 --> 02:24:27,100
was that. This was not out

2702
02:24:27,100 --> 02:24:29,100
on the open market. This was

2703
02:24:29,100 --> 02:24:30,100
just an offer

2704
02:24:30,100 --> 02:24:32,100
between the water agency and

2705
02:24:32,100 --> 02:24:34,100
the in the cdc. Is that. Is

2706
02:24:34,100 --> 02:24:36,100
that what I'm hearing here

2707
02:24:36,100 --> 02:24:38,100
through.

2708
02:24:38,100 --> 02:24:39,100
>>The chair, Supervisor

2709
02:24:39,100 --> 02:24:40,100
Corsi? That was through the

2710
02:24:40,100 --> 02:24:42,100
surplus lands process.

2711
02:24:42,100 --> 02:24:43,100
>>Okay. So other people had

2712
02:24:43,100 --> 02:24:44,100
other entities had an

2713
02:24:44,100 --> 02:24:45,100
opportunity to to bid

2714
02:24:45,100 --> 02:24:46,100
at that.

2715
02:24:46,100 --> 02:24:48,100
>>Time to provide us

2716
02:24:48,100 --> 02:24:49,100
notification that they were

2717
02:24:49,100 --> 02:24:50,100
interested.

2718
02:24:50,100 --> 02:24:51,100
>>And to my recollection, CDC

2719
02:24:51,100 --> 02:24:53,100
was the only entity that was

2720
02:24:53,100 --> 02:24:55,100
interested.

2721
02:24:56,100 --> 02:24:57,100
>>Okay, that's what I was

2722
02:24:57,100 --> 02:25:00,100
getting to do. We expect

2723
02:25:00,100 --> 02:25:02,401
different results this time.

2724
02:25:03,100 --> 02:25:05,100
>>I'm not sure.

2725
02:25:08,100 --> 02:25:10,100
>>Is this zone for multi family

2726
02:25:10,100 --> 02:25:11,100
housing?

2727
02:25:11,100 --> 02:25:12,100
>>It is.

2728
02:25:12,100 --> 02:25:14,100
>>It is.

2729
02:25:14,100 --> 02:25:15,100
>>We do frequently both my

2730
02:25:15,100 --> 02:25:16,100
office and Sonoma Water receive

2731
02:25:16,100 --> 02:25:17,100
inquiries

2732
02:25:17,100 --> 02:25:18,100
about the availability

2733
02:25:18,100 --> 02:25:20,100
of this property two,

2734
02:25:20,100 --> 02:25:21,100
three times a year at least.

2735
02:25:21,100 --> 02:25:23,100
Not from agencies or other

2736
02:25:23,100 --> 02:25:25,100
governments, but just from

2737
02:25:25,100 --> 02:25:26,100
interested persons.

2738
02:25:26,100 --> 02:25:28,100
>>Okay, thank you.

2739
02:25:29,100 --> 02:25:31,100
>>Any other questions

2740
02:25:31,100 --> 02:25:32,100
from my colleagues? Seeing

2741
02:25:32,100 --> 02:25:34,100
none. I would ask if any

2742
02:25:34,100 --> 02:25:35,100
members of the public wish

2743
02:25:35,100 --> 02:25:36,100
to speak on this item.

2744
02:25:36,100 --> 02:25:37,100
Welcome, Dwayne Roselyn.

2745
02:25:37,100 --> 02:25:40,100
>>I go past this property all

2746
02:25:40,100 --> 02:25:42,100
the time. I ask you

2747
02:25:42,100 --> 02:25:44,100
to use the option 2. I do

2748
02:25:44,100 --> 02:25:46,401
believe that there are

2749
02:25:48,100 --> 02:25:49,100
opportunities

2750
02:25:49,100 --> 02:25:51,100
to help veterans. Petaluma just

2751
02:25:51,100 --> 02:25:54,100
worked with PEP Housing and did

2752
02:25:54,100 --> 02:25:56,100
a project that utilized project

2753
02:25:56,100 --> 02:25:59,100
based housing vouchers to help

2754
02:25:59,100 --> 02:26:01,401
finance that multi person

2755
02:26:02,100 --> 02:26:04,401
housing situation. Because this

2756
02:26:06,100 --> 02:26:08,100
is not really well known that

2757
02:26:08,100 --> 02:26:10,100
this property is available. I

2758
02:26:10,100 --> 02:26:11,100
believe you should take option

2759
02:26:11,100 --> 02:26:14,100
to open it up, let the

2760
02:26:14,100 --> 02:26:15,100
community know what's possible

2761
02:26:15,100 --> 02:26:17,100
and that affordable housing

2762
02:26:17,100 --> 02:26:19,100
could go in there and we could

2763
02:26:19,100 --> 02:26:21,100
utilize housing vouchers. I've

2764
02:26:21,100 --> 02:26:22,100
mentioned

2765
02:26:22,100 --> 02:26:24,100
in the past that the Santa

2766
02:26:24,100 --> 02:26:26,401
Rosa Housing Authority, which

2767
02:26:27,100 --> 02:26:29,100
has the control for the HUD

2768
02:26:29,100 --> 02:26:31,100
Vash vouchers

2769
02:26:31,100 --> 02:26:32,100
for the whole county, had

2770
02:26:32,100 --> 02:26:34,100
over 90 available and the

2771
02:26:34,100 --> 02:26:37,100
River City Project in Petaluma

2772
02:26:37,100 --> 02:26:39,100
used 20 to get their project

2773
02:26:39,100 --> 02:26:41,100
jump started with funding. So

2774
02:26:41,100 --> 02:26:43,100
this is a way in which we could

2775
02:26:43,100 --> 02:26:44,100
get multi housing built right

2776
02:26:44,100 --> 02:26:46,100
there near the creek. And if

2777
02:26:46,100 --> 02:26:48,100
you made it for veterans, they

2778
02:26:48,100 --> 02:26:49,100
would be somebody that could

2779
02:26:49,100 --> 02:26:51,100
help with local. One might say

2780
02:26:51,100 --> 02:26:53,100
oversight. You know,

2781
02:26:53,100 --> 02:26:55,100
veterans go

2782
02:26:55,100 --> 02:26:56,100
out and they clean up areas.

2783
02:26:56,100 --> 02:26:57,100
We do all kinds

2784
02:26:57,100 --> 02:26:59,100
of good stuff. And this is the

2785
02:26:59,100 --> 02:27:00,100
opportunity for that corner.

2786
02:27:00,100 --> 02:27:02,100
If you put the picture back up

2787
02:27:02,100 --> 02:27:04,100
there,

2788
02:27:04,100 --> 02:27:07,100
you could see it better. That

2789
02:27:07,100 --> 02:27:08,100
corner is really an optimal

2790
02:27:08,100 --> 02:27:10,100
site right next to the creek

2791
02:27:10,100 --> 02:27:11,100
and you have some homeless

2792
02:27:11,100 --> 02:27:13,100
folks live

2793
02:27:13,100 --> 02:27:16,100
across the street coming off

2794
02:27:16,100 --> 02:27:17,100
of Dutton Avenue. This is an

2795
02:27:17,100 --> 02:27:19,100
excellent way to get people

2796
02:27:19,100 --> 02:27:21,100
into housing

2797
02:27:21,100 --> 02:27:22,100
near the city center. Transit

2798
02:27:22,100 --> 02:27:24,401
oriented, all those kinds

2799
02:27:25,100 --> 02:27:28,100
of things that you folks talk

2800
02:27:28,100 --> 02:27:29,100
about with resiliency,

2801
02:27:29,100 --> 02:27:30,100
sustainability, etc. Please go

2802
02:27:30,100 --> 02:27:31,100
to option two, open it up. You

2803
02:27:31,100 --> 02:27:32,100
can always come back and relook

2804
02:27:32,100 --> 02:27:34,100
at it again if it doesn't work.

2805
02:27:34,100 --> 02:27:35,100
But I'm the optimist. I'll come

2806
02:27:35,100 --> 02:27:37,100
back and keep saying we can get

2807
02:27:37,100 --> 02:27:38,100
veterans housing there if you

2808
02:27:38,100 --> 02:27:39,100
will work with us. Thank you.

2809
02:27:39,100 --> 02:27:41,100
>>Thank you very much, Duane.

2810
02:27:41,100 --> 02:27:42,100
Anyone else wish to speak

2811
02:27:42,100 --> 02:27:43,100
on this item? Welcome,

2812
02:27:43,100 --> 02:27:45,100
Gregory.

2813
02:27:45,100 --> 02:27:48,100
>>Thank you, Chair Hopkins. I'm

2814
02:27:48,100 --> 02:27:50,401
optimistic that this property

2815
02:27:51,100 --> 02:27:53,100
can be developed. If we had

2816
02:27:53,100 --> 02:27:56,100
had, if we'd been working only

2817
02:27:56,100 --> 02:27:58,401
with the Community Development

2818
02:27:59,100 --> 02:28:01,100
department when Home Key came

2819
02:28:01,100 --> 02:28:03,100
about, we'd never have had any

2820
02:28:03,100 --> 02:28:05,100
of the applications that were

2821
02:28:05,100 --> 02:28:07,100
successful in Sonoma county

2822
02:28:07,100 --> 02:28:08,100
to turn hotels

2823
02:28:08,100 --> 02:28:10,100
into low income housing. It was

2824
02:28:10,100 --> 02:28:11,100
the energy that came out of

2825
02:28:11,100 --> 02:28:13,100
Dave Kiff and the health

2826
02:28:13,100 --> 02:28:15,100
department that did it, not

2827
02:28:15,100 --> 02:28:17,100
community development. I think

2828
02:28:17,100 --> 02:28:19,100
community development can be

2829
02:28:19,100 --> 02:28:20,100
educated and can be inspired

2830
02:28:20,100 --> 02:28:22,100
to take on this property.

2831
02:28:22,100 --> 02:28:25,100
Because I think there are

2832
02:28:25,100 --> 02:28:26,100
applicants in the community,

2833
02:28:26,100 --> 02:28:28,100
nonprofits, the same people

2834
02:28:28,100 --> 02:28:30,100
who've been building housing

2835
02:28:30,100 --> 02:28:31,100
who use the formula that I used

2836
02:28:31,100 --> 02:28:33,100
long ago, which is if you get

2837
02:28:33,100 --> 02:28:35,100
free land and you get some

2838
02:28:35,100 --> 02:28:36,100
support from the state, you can

2839
02:28:36,100 --> 02:28:39,100
build low income housing. This

2840
02:28:43,100 --> 02:28:44,100
is exactly that design, just

2841
02:28:44,100 --> 02:28:45,100
like the property up on

2842
02:28:45,100 --> 02:28:47,100
Brickway. When the state has

2843
02:28:47,100 --> 02:28:48,100
property, when you have

2844
02:28:48,100 --> 02:28:49,100
property and you're able

2845
02:28:49,100 --> 02:28:50,100
to be able

2846
02:28:50,100 --> 02:28:52,100
to encourage development by

2847
02:28:52,100 --> 02:28:53,100
those nonprofits who will take

2848
02:28:53,100 --> 02:28:55,100
small projects. The problem now

2849
02:28:55,100 --> 02:28:57,100
is every Time I offer something

2850
02:28:57,100 --> 02:28:58,100
to Burbank or Midpen or anybody

2851
02:28:58,100 --> 02:29:00,100
else, they go. Not enough

2852
02:29:00,100 --> 02:29:02,100
profit, not big enough. The

2853
02:29:02,100 --> 02:29:04,100
small projects deserve your

2854
02:29:04,100 --> 02:29:05,100
support. This is a small

2855
02:29:05,100 --> 02:29:07,100
project that can be done. And I

2856
02:29:07,100 --> 02:29:08,000
urge you, like Dwayne did, to

2857
02:29:08,000 --> 02:29:11,100
take option two and give a

2858
02:29:11,100 --> 02:29:13,100
chance for this property to be

2859
02:29:13,100 --> 02:29:15,100
used.

2860
02:29:16,100 --> 02:29:18,100
>>Thank you very much. Are

2861
02:29:18,100 --> 02:29:19,100
there any other members

2862
02:29:19,100 --> 02:29:21,100
of the public who wish

2863
02:29:21,100 --> 02:29:23,100
to speak? Welcome.

2864
02:29:23,100 --> 02:29:24,100
>>How you doing? My name is

2865
02:29:24,100 --> 02:29:25,100
Jason. I'm

2866
02:29:25,100 --> 02:29:26,100
with a local nonprofit. We

2867
02:29:26,100 --> 02:29:27,100
actually have an affordable

2868
02:29:27,100 --> 02:29:28,100
housing solution that we're

2869
02:29:28,100 --> 02:29:29,100
working on and we want

2870
02:29:29,100 --> 02:29:31,100
to invite people to come look

2871
02:29:31,100 --> 02:29:34,601
at our models that the first

2872
02:29:35,100 --> 02:29:37,401
three that just came

2873
02:29:38,100 --> 02:29:39,100
to our headquarters were

2874
02:29:39,100 --> 02:29:40,100
at the corner of Fulton and

2875
02:29:40,100 --> 02:29:42,100
River Road. They're aircraft

2876
02:29:42,100 --> 02:29:44,100
aluminum. They're extremely

2877
02:29:45,100 --> 02:29:47,401
durable. We are working

2878
02:29:48,100 --> 02:29:50,100
with local nonprofits, the

2879
02:29:50,100 --> 02:29:52,100
Line foundation, on doing

2880
02:29:52,100 --> 02:29:54,100
vocational training and

2881
02:29:54,100 --> 02:29:56,100
actually assembling these here,

2882
02:29:56,100 --> 02:29:57,100
hopefully in Sonoma County.

2883
02:29:57,100 --> 02:29:59,100
>>And our CEO is

2884
02:29:59,100 --> 02:30:01,100
in talks right.

2885
02:30:01,100 --> 02:30:03,100
>>Now with people from LA

2886
02:30:03,100 --> 02:30:04,100
to get these units possibly

2887
02:30:04,100 --> 02:30:06,100
down there.

2888
02:30:06,100 --> 02:30:07,100
>>And we want to.

2889
02:30:07,100 --> 02:30:09,100
>>He was affected by the fire

2890
02:30:09,100 --> 02:30:11,100
from 2017 and because of that

2891
02:30:11,100 --> 02:30:12,100
came up.

2892
02:30:12,100 --> 02:30:14,100
>>With a solution and we can

2893
02:30:14,100 --> 02:30:16,100
all.

2894
02:30:16,100 --> 02:30:17,100
>>Come together as a community.

2895
02:30:17,100 --> 02:30:18,100
>>That's what I love doing.

2896
02:30:18,100 --> 02:30:20,100
>>I love networking.

2897
02:30:20,100 --> 02:30:23,100
>>I'm a volunteer for this

2898
02:30:23,100 --> 02:30:24,100
organization and.

2899
02:30:24,100 --> 02:30:26,100
>>Organizations like the Lyme

2900
02:30:26,100 --> 02:30:27,100
foundation that does vocational

2901
02:30:27,100 --> 02:30:29,401
training, empowering youth and

2902
02:30:30,100 --> 02:30:31,100
veterans.

2903
02:30:31,100 --> 02:30:32,100
>>We want to work

2904
02:30:32,100 --> 02:30:33,100
with veterans.

2905
02:30:33,100 --> 02:30:34,100
>>We can, we have a solution.

2906
02:30:34,100 --> 02:30:36,100
We can launch this from Sonoma

2907
02:30:36,100 --> 02:30:38,100
county and it could be disaster

2908
02:30:38,100 --> 02:30:39,100
relief, housing,

2909
02:30:39,100 --> 02:30:40,100
permanent housing. They're

2910
02:30:40,100 --> 02:30:42,100
multi purpose housing.

2911
02:30:42,100 --> 02:30:43,100
>>So we just want

2912
02:30:43,100 --> 02:30:45,100
to invite everybody

2913
02:30:45,100 --> 02:30:46,100
to come check them out

2914
02:30:46,100 --> 02:30:47,100
firsthand.

2915
02:30:47,100 --> 02:30:48,100
>>We can give you a Tour.

2916
02:30:48,100 --> 02:30:49,100
We're at 3362 Fulton Road as

2917
02:30:49,100 --> 02:30:51,100
our headquarters and we have

2918
02:30:51,100 --> 02:30:53,100
three of these units.

2919
02:30:53,100 --> 02:30:55,100
>>400 square feet, one

2920
02:30:56,100 --> 02:30:58,100
of them and.

2921
02:30:58,100 --> 02:30:59,100
>>The other one's 200 square

2922
02:30:59,100 --> 02:31:01,100
feet.

2923
02:31:01,100 --> 02:31:03,100
>>Studio housing.

2924
02:31:03,100 --> 02:31:04,100
>>Permanent solution, disaster

2925
02:31:04,100 --> 02:31:06,100
relief solution.

2926
02:31:07,100 --> 02:31:08,100
>>It's a win, win. We can,

2927
02:31:08,100 --> 02:31:10,100
we can totally launch from this

2928
02:31:10,100 --> 02:31:11,100
county something that can

2929
02:31:11,100 --> 02:31:12,100
impact the whole world,

2930
02:31:12,100 --> 02:31:15,100
the whole country. Thank you.

2931
02:31:16,100 --> 02:31:17,100
>>Thank you so much

2932
02:31:17,100 --> 02:31:18,100
for coming. I drive

2933
02:31:18,100 --> 02:31:19,100
by those all the time. And

2934
02:31:19,100 --> 02:31:20,100
there was a lengthy debate

2935
02:31:20,100 --> 02:31:21,100
on social media about whether

2936
02:31:21,100 --> 02:31:22,100
the dog was real or not. And it

2937
02:31:22,100 --> 02:31:23,100
is a cardboard dog. It never

2938
02:31:23,100 --> 02:31:25,100
moves. No one is trapping a dog

2939
02:31:25,100 --> 02:31:26,100
in this thing on the side of

2940
02:31:26,100 --> 02:31:27,100
Fulton Road. Do any other

2941
02:31:27,100 --> 02:31:30,100
members of the public wish

2942
02:31:30,100 --> 02:31:31,100
to speak on this item? And I

2943
02:31:31,100 --> 02:31:33,100
really want to check it out.

2944
02:31:33,100 --> 02:31:35,100
By the way, those look really,

2945
02:31:35,100 --> 02:31:37,100
really amazing. Seeing none. I

2946
02:31:37,100 --> 02:31:38,100
will bring it back

2947
02:31:38,100 --> 02:31:39,100
to the board and I will look

2948
02:31:39,100 --> 02:31:40,100
at my colleague from the third

2949
02:31:40,100 --> 02:31:42,100
district.

2950
02:31:42,100 --> 02:31:43,100
>>Just one more quick question.

2951
02:31:43,100 --> 02:31:44,100
Does staff have an opinion

2952
02:31:44,100 --> 02:31:46,100
on which of these two

2953
02:31:46,100 --> 02:31:47,100
resolutions is more likely

2954
02:31:47,100 --> 02:31:48,100
to result in A successful,

2955
02:31:48,100 --> 02:31:49,100
successful transaction.

2956
02:31:49,100 --> 02:31:51,100
>>Well, we recommend solution

2957
02:31:51,100 --> 02:31:54,100
one, and we do because

2958
02:31:54,100 --> 02:31:57,100
after speaking with the city

2959
02:31:57,100 --> 02:31:58,100
planning department, they kind

2960
02:31:58,100 --> 02:32:00,100
of emphasize because it's

2961
02:32:00,100 --> 02:32:02,100
in a historical district,

2962
02:32:02,100 --> 02:32:04,100
preservation district,

2963
02:32:06,100 --> 02:32:07,100
and the challenges with getting

2964
02:32:07,100 --> 02:32:09,401
something developed there under

2965
02:32:10,100 --> 02:32:12,401
those terms and conditions.

2966
02:32:13,100 --> 02:32:16,601
And the size of the parcel

2967
02:32:17,100 --> 02:32:19,100
would not necessarily lend

2968
02:32:19,100 --> 02:32:21,100
itself attractive

2969
02:32:21,100 --> 02:32:23,100
to affordable housing

2970
02:32:24,100 --> 02:32:27,100
developers out of the area. So

2971
02:32:27,100 --> 02:32:29,100
we would prefer

2972
02:32:32,100 --> 02:32:35,100
to expedite the sale of it. We

2973
02:32:35,100 --> 02:32:37,100
would notify everybody, all the

2974
02:32:37,100 --> 02:32:39,100
affordable housing sponsors

2975
02:32:39,100 --> 02:32:41,100
on HCD's list to the auction

2976
02:32:41,100 --> 02:32:43,100
that we would hold at Sonoma

2977
02:32:43,100 --> 02:32:45,401
Water and allow them,

2978
02:32:48,100 --> 02:32:52,100
of course, to come make a bid

2979
02:32:52,100 --> 02:32:53,100
for the property. As Adam has

2980
02:32:53,100 --> 02:32:56,601
mentioned, we have had a couple

2981
02:32:57,100 --> 02:32:58,100
local neighbors interested

2982
02:32:58,100 --> 02:33:00,100
in the property,

2983
02:33:01,100 --> 02:33:03,100
not necessarily

2984
02:33:03,100 --> 02:33:04,100
for multi unit, but

2985
02:33:04,100 --> 02:33:06,100
to develop the property

2986
02:33:06,100 --> 02:33:08,100
for their own home.

2987
02:33:08,100 --> 02:33:11,100
>>Okay. All right, I'll move.

2988
02:33:13,100 --> 02:33:15,100
Staff's Recommendation of

2989
02:33:15,100 --> 02:33:17,100
Resolution 1.

2990
02:33:17,100 --> 02:33:18,100
>>And do we have a second

2991
02:33:18,100 --> 02:33:19,100
on that?

2992
02:33:19,100 --> 02:33:20,100
>>Yeah, I'm second that.

2993
02:33:20,100 --> 02:33:21,100
>>All right, second from

2994
02:33:21,100 --> 02:33:22,100
Supervisor Gore. And we will do

2995
02:33:22,100 --> 02:33:23,100
a roll call vote

2996
02:33:23,100 --> 02:33:24,100
on this item, please.

2997
02:33:24,100 --> 02:33:26,100
>>[ ROLL CALL ]

2998
02:33:46,100 --> 02:33:47,100
>>And a quick question for

2999
02:33:47,100 --> 02:33:48,100
County Council. When

3000
02:33:48,100 --> 02:33:49,100
Supervisor Hermosio comes back,

3001
02:33:49,100 --> 02:33:50,100
can she sort of add her vote

3002
02:33:50,100 --> 02:33:51,100
to this item or will we need to

3003
02:33:51,100 --> 02:33:52,100
retake that?

3004
02:33:52,100 --> 02:33:53,100
>>I would recommend we either

3005
02:33:53,100 --> 02:33:54,100
wait till she comes back

3006
02:33:54,100 --> 02:33:55,100
to take the formal vote or. Or

3007
02:33:55,100 --> 02:33:56,100
counter as an absent.

3008
02:33:56,100 --> 02:33:58,100
>>Okay, she might. Okay, we'll

3009
02:33:58,100 --> 02:33:59,100
count her as an absent and go

3010
02:33:59,100 --> 02:34:01,100
ahead and move forward. Thank

3011
02:34:01,100 --> 02:34:02,100
you very much. Thank you

3012
02:34:02,100 --> 02:34:04,100
for the public comment. Really

3013
02:34:04,100 --> 02:34:05,100
want to check out those cool,

3014
02:34:05,100 --> 02:34:07,100
tiny homes in Fulton. So thank

3015
02:34:07,100 --> 02:34:09,100
you for bringing that up. And

3016
02:34:09,100 --> 02:34:11,100
with that, we're just going

3017
02:34:11,100 --> 02:34:13,100
to take a moment to transition

3018
02:34:13,100 --> 02:34:15,100
between staff teams and we'll

3019
02:34:15,100 --> 02:34:18,100
be moving on to item 33, which

3020
02:34:18,100 --> 02:34:20,100
is our options to establish a

3021
02:34:20,100 --> 02:34:21,100
two year county imposed

3022
02:34:21,100 --> 02:34:22,100
development impact fee

3023
02:34:22,100 --> 02:34:24,401
reduction program. And thank

3024
02:34:28,100 --> 02:34:29,100
you so much to the Sonoma

3025
02:34:29,100 --> 02:34:30,100
Water team, hoping that we get

3026
02:34:30,100 --> 02:34:31,100
to see that property turned

3027
02:34:31,100 --> 02:34:32,100
into housing. It's exciting.

3028
02:34:32,100 --> 02:34:34,401
Good morning, Chair Hopkins,

3029
02:34:40,100 --> 02:34:41,100
members of the board,

3030
02:34:41,100 --> 02:34:42,100
I'm happy to be here for our

3031
02:34:42,100 --> 02:34:44,100
team's first word presentation.

3032
02:34:44,100 --> 02:34:46,401
>>Crystal Carry Harrow, deputy

3033
02:34:47,100 --> 02:34:49,100
County Administrator for.

3034
02:34:49,100 --> 02:34:50,100
>>The Strategic Initiatives

3035
02:34:50,100 --> 02:34:52,100
division.

3036
02:34:52,100 --> 02:34:53,100
>>And I am here with Ethan

3037
02:34:53,100 --> 02:34:54,100
Pawson.

3038
02:34:54,100 --> 02:34:55,100
>>From county Council's office

3039
02:34:55,100 --> 02:34:56,100
and Jennifer larocque.

3040
02:34:56,100 --> 02:34:58,100
>>One of the CAO analysts here

3041
02:34:58,100 --> 02:34:59,100
to discuss the impact

3042
02:34:59,100 --> 02:35:00,100
of these reductions

3043
02:35:00,100 --> 02:35:02,100
for affordable housing. And I'm

3044
02:35:02,100 --> 02:35:05,100
going to turn it over to

3045
02:35:05,100 --> 02:35:07,100
Jennifer, who's been the lead

3046
02:35:07,100 --> 02:35:09,100
on this effort.

3047
02:35:09,100 --> 02:35:11,100
>>Thank you, Christel.

3048
02:35:12,100 --> 02:35:15,100
Before I get going, I'll offer

3049
02:35:15,100 --> 02:35:16,100
the chair an option. I can go

3050
02:35:16,100 --> 02:35:18,100
through our brief slide

3051
02:35:18,100 --> 02:35:20,100
presentation which contains

3052
02:35:21,100 --> 02:35:22,100
information

3053
02:35:22,100 --> 02:35:24,100
in the staff report, or you can

3054
02:35:24,100 --> 02:35:25,100
provide a brief verbal overview

3055
02:35:25,100 --> 02:35:26,100
and then we can jump into

3056
02:35:26,100 --> 02:35:28,100
discussion.

3057
02:35:28,100 --> 02:35:31,100
>>Why don't we do a brief

3058
02:35:31,100 --> 02:35:32,100
verbal overview and then we can

3059
02:35:32,100 --> 02:35:33,100
refer to slides if there are

3060
02:35:33,100 --> 02:35:34,100
any questions

3061
02:35:34,100 --> 02:35:36,100
from my colleagues. Thank you

3062
02:35:36,100 --> 02:35:37,100
so much.

3063
02:35:37,100 --> 02:35:39,100
>>Sounds great. First and

3064
02:35:39,100 --> 02:35:40,100
foremost, I would like to thank

3065
02:35:40,100 --> 02:35:41,100
my department and partners in

3066
02:35:41,100 --> 02:35:43,100
the audience here who provided

3067
02:35:43,100 --> 02:35:46,100
data and feedback on program

3068
02:35:46,100 --> 02:35:47,100
options that really made this

3069
02:35:47,100 --> 02:35:49,100
item possible today. My verbal

3070
02:35:49,100 --> 02:35:51,401
comments will include three

3071
02:35:53,100 --> 02:35:55,100
parts, Brief Background, the

3072
02:35:55,100 --> 02:35:56,100
Program and Next Steps as

3073
02:35:56,100 --> 02:35:58,100
background, the Board directed

3074
02:35:58,100 --> 02:36:00,100
staff

3075
02:36:00,100 --> 02:36:01,100
to pursue a nexus study based

3076
02:36:01,100 --> 02:36:03,100
on square footage and

3077
02:36:03,100 --> 02:36:04,100
compliance with AB602 and

3078
02:36:04,100 --> 02:36:05,100
present interim options

3079
02:36:05,100 --> 02:36:07,100
to reduce fees

3080
02:36:08,100 --> 02:36:09,100
for affordable housing. So the

3081
02:36:09,100 --> 02:36:11,100
options you have here today

3082
02:36:11,100 --> 02:36:12,100
represent reduced parks and

3083
02:36:12,100 --> 02:36:14,100
traffic fees, the traffic fees

3084
02:36:14,100 --> 02:36:15,100
for both countywide and

3085
02:36:15,100 --> 02:36:17,100
Sonoma Valley for a two year

3086
02:36:17,100 --> 02:36:19,100
period while the county

3087
02:36:19,100 --> 02:36:21,100
establishes that nexus fee or

3088
02:36:21,100 --> 02:36:24,601
nexus study with regards to the

3089
02:36:25,100 --> 02:36:27,100
program and program

3090
02:36:27,100 --> 02:36:28,100
development. The units that

3091
02:36:28,100 --> 02:36:30,401
would likely come through

3092
02:36:31,100 --> 02:36:33,100
to receive a building permit,

3093
02:36:33,100 --> 02:36:34,100
which is when we would issue a

3094
02:36:34,100 --> 02:36:36,100
fee reduction,

3095
02:36:36,100 --> 02:36:38,100
are units that are already

3096
02:36:38,100 --> 02:36:40,100
in our entitlement process.

3097
02:36:40,100 --> 02:36:41,100
You'll hear us refer

3098
02:36:41,100 --> 02:36:42,100
to those as the pipeline.

3099
02:36:42,100 --> 02:36:44,100
That's the land use approval

3100
02:36:44,100 --> 02:36:45,100
process. Of note,

3101
02:36:45,100 --> 02:36:46,100
there are currently 30 times

3102
02:36:46,100 --> 02:36:48,100
more very low, low and moderate

3103
02:36:48,100 --> 02:36:49,100
income pipeline units than the

3104
02:36:49,100 --> 02:36:51,100
recent average. And

3105
02:36:51,100 --> 02:36:52,100
over the past 20 years we've

3106
02:36:52,100 --> 02:36:54,100
seen that 25%

3107
02:36:57,100 --> 02:36:58,100
of pipeline units do not make

3108
02:36:58,100 --> 02:36:59,100
it to building permits. So

3109
02:36:59,100 --> 02:37:01,100
that's what this program would

3110
02:37:01,100 --> 02:37:02,100
be trying to solve. We're

3111
02:37:02,100 --> 02:37:03,100
trying to reduce that dropout

3112
02:37:03,100 --> 02:37:05,100
rate knowing that the majority

3113
02:37:05,100 --> 02:37:07,100
of that 25% is likely

3114
02:37:07,100 --> 02:37:08,100
affordable housing units.

3115
02:37:08,100 --> 02:37:09,100
In terms of where to apply this

3116
02:37:09,100 --> 02:37:12,100
program and where we need

3117
02:37:13,100 --> 02:37:15,100
to see increased housing in

3118
02:37:15,100 --> 02:37:17,100
Sonoma county, we evaluated our

3119
02:37:17,100 --> 02:37:18,100
regional housing needs

3120
02:37:18,100 --> 02:37:20,100
allocation, arena allocation.

3121
02:37:20,100 --> 02:37:21,100
We need

3122
02:37:21,100 --> 02:37:23,401
to see increased production

3123
02:37:25,100 --> 02:37:26,100
in very low low units

3124
02:37:26,100 --> 02:37:29,100
in our arena allocation. We

3125
02:37:31,100 --> 02:37:32,100
also recognize that the

3126
02:37:32,100 --> 02:37:33,100
majority of moderate units are

3127
02:37:33,100 --> 02:37:35,100
usually accessory dwelling

3128
02:37:35,100 --> 02:37:36,100
units that we can count towards

3129
02:37:36,100 --> 02:37:37,100
arena but aren't necessarily

3130
02:37:37,100 --> 02:37:39,100
deed restricted. So the program

3131
02:37:39,100 --> 02:37:42,100
options we've developed we use

3132
02:37:43,100 --> 02:37:45,100
criteria identified

3133
02:37:45,100 --> 02:37:46,100
in the staff report. Part

3134
02:37:46,100 --> 02:37:48,100
of that relies on rena. The

3135
02:37:48,100 --> 02:37:49,100
three options that are

3136
02:37:49,100 --> 02:37:52,100
presented to the board today

3137
02:37:52,100 --> 02:37:55,100
for consideration are to reduce

3138
02:37:55,100 --> 02:37:58,100
the parks and traffic fee

3139
02:37:58,100 --> 02:38:00,401
by 100% for very low,

3140
02:38:01,100 --> 02:38:03,401
low and moderate units,

3141
02:38:04,100 --> 02:38:06,100
to reduce parks and traffic

3142
02:38:06,100 --> 02:38:07,100
with square footage based tiers

3143
02:38:07,100 --> 02:38:09,100
for very low,

3144
02:38:10,100 --> 02:38:12,100
low and moderate or to reduce

3145
02:38:12,100 --> 02:38:14,100
parks and traffic square

3146
02:38:14,100 --> 02:38:15,100
footage based tiers

3147
02:38:15,100 --> 02:38:17,100
for very low and low

3148
02:38:17,100 --> 02:38:19,100
with a separate tier

3149
02:38:19,100 --> 02:38:21,100
for moderate income. Each of

3150
02:38:21,100 --> 02:38:24,100
those options the board has the

3151
02:38:24,100 --> 02:38:25,100
ability

3152
02:38:25,100 --> 02:38:27,100
to consider capping the program

3153
02:38:27,100 --> 02:38:28,100
at either half arena

3154
02:38:28,100 --> 02:38:29,100
obligation, our full arena

3155
02:38:29,100 --> 02:38:31,100
obligation, or no cap, which

3156
02:38:31,100 --> 02:38:33,100
essentially would have the

3157
02:38:33,100 --> 02:38:34,100
potential of including all

3158
02:38:34,100 --> 02:38:35,100
affordable pipeline units.

3159
02:38:35,100 --> 02:38:37,401
Staff identified that Option 3

3160
02:38:39,100 --> 02:38:41,100
Captive the full Rena

3161
02:38:41,100 --> 02:38:43,100
obligation best meets the

3162
02:38:43,100 --> 02:38:44,100
program criteria outlined

3163
02:38:44,100 --> 02:38:47,601
in the staff report. Of note,

3164
02:38:48,100 --> 02:38:50,100
in fiscal year 2324, Roads and

3165
02:38:50,100 --> 02:38:51,100
Parks received a combined 1.5

3166
02:38:51,100 --> 02:38:52,100
million

3167
02:38:52,100 --> 02:38:53,100
in impact fee revenue. So staff

3168
02:38:53,100 --> 02:38:55,100
recommend allocating 1.5

3169
02:38:55,100 --> 02:38:57,100
million per year

3170
02:38:57,100 --> 02:38:58,100
during the program. The two

3171
02:38:58,100 --> 02:39:00,100
year program to backfill actual

3172
02:39:00,100 --> 02:39:01,100
waived fees capped at that 1.5

3173
02:39:01,100 --> 02:39:03,401
so that departments can

3174
02:39:04,100 --> 02:39:06,100
continue the current level of

3175
02:39:06,100 --> 02:39:07,100
project planning and

3176
02:39:07,100 --> 02:39:09,100
implementation in terms

3177
02:39:14,100 --> 02:39:16,100
of next steps. If the board

3178
02:39:16,100 --> 02:39:17,100
finds one

3179
02:39:17,100 --> 02:39:19,100
of these options suitable,

3180
02:39:19,100 --> 02:39:20,100
staff will return

3181
02:39:20,100 --> 02:39:21,100
with a resolution

3182
02:39:21,100 --> 02:39:23,100
to implement reduced fees in

3183
02:39:23,100 --> 02:39:25,100
February and a request for

3184
02:39:25,100 --> 02:39:27,100
$1.5 million in contingencies

3185
02:39:27,100 --> 02:39:29,100
for the first year of the

3186
02:39:29,100 --> 02:39:30,100
program and staff would

3187
02:39:30,100 --> 02:39:32,100
recommend allocating 1.5

3188
02:39:32,100 --> 02:39:34,401
million to the program

3189
02:39:35,100 --> 02:39:36,100
in fiscal year 2526 budget and

3190
02:39:36,100 --> 02:39:37,100
the program would continue

3191
02:39:37,100 --> 02:39:38,100
through the end

3192
02:39:38,100 --> 02:39:40,100
of calendar year 2026 or until

3193
02:39:40,100 --> 02:39:41,100
the county adopts an updated

3194
02:39:41,100 --> 02:39:42,100
NEXUS study and fee schedule

3195
02:39:42,100 --> 02:39:44,100
for traffic and parks,

3196
02:39:44,100 --> 02:39:45,100
whichever comes first. That

3197
02:39:45,100 --> 02:39:46,100
concludes my comments.

3198
02:39:46,100 --> 02:39:47,100
>>Thank you so much

3199
02:39:47,100 --> 02:39:48,100
for the overview and for the

3200
02:39:48,100 --> 02:39:49,100
excellent staff report. I am

3201
02:39:49,100 --> 02:39:50,100
going to go to members of the

3202
02:39:50,100 --> 02:39:51,100
public. I know there are some

3203
02:39:51,100 --> 02:39:52,100
folks who have been waiting

3204
02:39:52,100 --> 02:39:53,100
quite some time

3205
02:39:53,100 --> 02:39:54,100
for this item. So everyone will

3206
02:39:54,100 --> 02:39:56,100
have two minutes and I would

3207
02:39:56,100 --> 02:39:58,100
welcome the first commenter.

3208
02:39:58,100 --> 02:39:59,100
It looks like it's going

3209
02:39:59,100 --> 02:40:01,100
to be Duane

3210
02:40:01,100 --> 02:40:02,100
to the podium.

3211
02:40:02,100 --> 02:40:03,100
>>My name is Duane Duitt. I'm a

3212
02:40:03,100 --> 02:40:04,100
member of the Sonoma County

3213
02:40:04,100 --> 02:40:05,100
Housing Advocacy Group which

3214
02:40:05,100 --> 02:40:08,100
was formed fully 30 years ago

3215
02:40:08,100 --> 02:40:09,100
because of the dearth of rental

3216
02:40:09,100 --> 02:40:11,100
residential affordable housing.

3217
02:40:11,100 --> 02:40:14,601
I have just listened to the

3218
02:40:15,100 --> 02:40:16,100
short staff presentation number

3219
02:40:16,100 --> 02:40:19,100
three, the option that seems

3220
02:40:19,100 --> 02:40:21,100
to be the best in the way. We

3221
02:40:21,100 --> 02:40:23,100
want to recommend that you only

3222
02:40:23,100 --> 02:40:24,100
apply these things to very low

3223
02:40:24,100 --> 02:40:27,100
and low income units. Moderate

3224
02:40:27,100 --> 02:40:30,100
gets built. They're not having

3225
02:40:30,100 --> 02:40:31,100
any problem getting that done.

3226
02:40:31,100 --> 02:40:33,100
The biggest problem is getting

3227
02:40:33,100 --> 02:40:34,100
the housing

3228
02:40:34,100 --> 02:40:36,100
for extremely low income, very

3229
02:40:36,100 --> 02:40:39,100
low income and low income

3230
02:40:39,100 --> 02:40:40,100
people. This is where it's

3231
02:40:40,100 --> 02:40:42,100
always been a problem. That's

3232
02:40:42,100 --> 02:40:43,100
why housing authorities were

3233
02:40:43,100 --> 02:40:46,100
formed in sonoma county over

3234
02:40:46,100 --> 02:40:49,100
60 years ago and we've always

3235
02:40:49,100 --> 02:40:50,100
been running behind

3236
02:40:50,100 --> 02:40:52,100
on the affordable housing

3237
02:40:52,100 --> 02:40:54,100
for rental residential, not

3238
02:40:54,100 --> 02:40:56,100
for moderate. That's getting

3239
02:40:56,100 --> 02:40:58,100
taken care of. So please,

3240
02:40:58,100 --> 02:40:59,100
because you have

3241
02:40:59,100 --> 02:41:01,100
to carefully tailor this to

3242
02:41:01,100 --> 02:41:02,100
make sure you don't lose the

3243
02:41:02,100 --> 02:41:03,100
money that might be helpful.

3244
02:41:03,100 --> 02:41:05,100
Staff has presented something

3245
02:41:05,100 --> 02:41:07,100
that seems reasonable. Give it

3246
02:41:07,100 --> 02:41:09,100
a try, come back and revisit it

3247
02:41:09,100 --> 02:41:11,100
if need be. But make sure that

3248
02:41:11,100 --> 02:41:12,100
this is targeted specifically.

3249
02:41:12,100 --> 02:41:14,100
Extremely low income,

3250
02:41:14,100 --> 02:41:17,100
very low income and low income.

3251
02:41:17,100 --> 02:41:18,100
Moderate always takes care

3252
02:41:18,100 --> 02:41:20,100
of itself. Thank you kindly for

3253
02:41:20,100 --> 02:41:22,100
your time.

3254
02:41:22,100 --> 02:41:23,100
>>Thank you very much. Good

3255
02:41:23,100 --> 02:41:27,201
morning and so good to see you

3256
02:41:31,100 --> 02:41:32,100
in chambers.

3257
02:41:32,100 --> 02:41:33,100
>>Yeah hello there. Sorry, I

3258
02:41:33,100 --> 02:41:34,100
just had foot surgery. That's

3259
02:41:34,100 --> 02:41:35,100
why I'm a Little slower than

3260
02:41:35,100 --> 02:41:36,100
usual.

3261
02:41:36,100 --> 02:41:37,100
>>Good morning, members

3262
02:41:37,100 --> 02:41:38,100
of the board.

3263
02:41:38,100 --> 02:41:39,100
>>Special shout out to

3264
02:41:39,100 --> 02:41:40,100
Supervisor Ed Morcillo.

3265
02:41:40,100 --> 02:41:42,100
Congratulations.

3266
02:41:42,100 --> 02:41:44,100
>>I'm Al Erma. I'm representing

3267
02:41:44,100 --> 02:41:45,100
the Sonoma County Hospitality

3268
02:41:45,100 --> 02:41:46,100
association this morning. We

3269
02:41:46,100 --> 02:41:48,100
like to say we represent

3270
02:41:48,100 --> 02:41:49,100
about 20,000 employees across

3271
02:41:49,100 --> 02:41:51,100
the various hospitality sector

3272
02:41:51,100 --> 02:41:53,100
and businesses in Sonoma

3273
02:41:53,100 --> 02:41:54,100
County. We're really here

3274
02:41:54,100 --> 02:41:56,100
housing, affordable housing is

3275
02:41:56,100 --> 02:41:57,100
ike a top priority. As

3276
02:41:57,100 --> 02:41:59,100
mentioned, I think Sue Rice

3277
02:41:59,100 --> 02:42:00,100
Hopkins mentioned,

3278
02:42:00,100 --> 02:42:01,100
as I was driving in, really

3279
02:42:01,100 --> 02:42:02,100
supporting our workforce and

3280
02:42:02,100 --> 02:42:04,100
housing is like job one. So

3281
02:42:04,100 --> 02:42:05,100
we're here to support that. We

3282
02:42:05,100 --> 02:42:06,100
think these impact fees,

3283
02:42:06,100 --> 02:42:08,100
whether right izing them,

3284
02:42:08,100 --> 02:42:09,100
lowering them or waiving them

3285
02:42:09,100 --> 02:42:10,100
entirely, is very important if

3286
02:42:10,100 --> 02:42:12,100
it provides. A modest incentive

3287
02:42:12,100 --> 02:42:14,100
to housing developers. And the

3288
02:42:14,100 --> 02:42:16,100
hospitality association

3289
02:42:16,100 --> 02:42:17,100
supports that. So we support

3290
02:42:17,100 --> 02:42:20,100
the board adopting today. One

3291
02:42:20,100 --> 02:42:22,100
of the recommendations or one

3292
02:42:22,100 --> 02:42:25,100
of the recommendations from the

3293
02:42:25,100 --> 02:42:27,401
department regarding that. And

3294
02:42:28,100 --> 02:42:29,100
thank you for your

3295
02:42:29,100 --> 02:42:30,100
consideration.

3296
02:42:30,100 --> 02:42:33,100
>>I did want to just throw in

3297
02:42:33,100 --> 02:42:34,100
another comment regarding the

3298
02:42:34,100 --> 02:42:35,100
discussion

3299
02:42:35,100 --> 02:42:36,100
about insurance that was

3300
02:42:36,100 --> 02:42:37,100
on the previous item. It's a

3301
02:42:37,100 --> 02:42:38,100
huge issue. And as you know,

3302
02:42:38,100 --> 02:42:39,100
I work

3303
02:42:39,100 --> 02:42:40,100
with economic development more

3304
02:42:40,100 --> 02:42:41,100
before So it's like a huge

3305
02:42:41,100 --> 02:42:42,100
issue requires I think,

3306
02:42:42,100 --> 02:42:44,100
a separate whole discussion

3307
02:42:44,100 --> 02:42:46,100
about it So I would encourage

3308
02:42:46,100 --> 02:42:47,100
you to do that. And regarding

3309
02:42:47,100 --> 02:42:48,100
the FEMA mapping. Supervisor

3310
02:42:48,100 --> 02:42:50,100
Rabbit mentioned,

3311
02:42:50,100 --> 02:42:51,100
I think that's an issue too,

3312
02:42:51,100 --> 02:42:53,100
something that needs to be

3313
02:42:53,100 --> 02:42:54,100
taken up. I think the mapping

3314
02:42:54,100 --> 02:42:55,100
just comes top down

3315
02:42:55,100 --> 02:42:56,100
to our local units

3316
02:42:56,100 --> 02:42:57,100
of government. The lady in

3317
02:42:57,100 --> 02:42:59,100
Petaluma mentioned that she

3318
02:42:59,100 --> 02:43:00,100
lives two blocks or three

3319
02:43:00,100 --> 02:43:01,100
blocks from the river and they

3320
02:43:01,100 --> 02:43:02,100
arbitrarily increased her

3321
02:43:02,100 --> 02:43:04,100
insurance, I think, which I

3322
02:43:04,100 --> 02:43:07,100
think that river hasn't flooded

3323
02:43:07,100 --> 02:43:08,100
in, I don't know, 100 years

3324
02:43:08,100 --> 02:43:10,100
maybe. So it is worth some more

3325
02:43:10,100 --> 02:43:12,100
attention. Thank you for your

3326
02:43:12,100 --> 02:43:14,100
time.

3327
02:43:15,100 --> 02:43:17,100
>>Thank you so much for your

3328
02:43:17,100 --> 02:43:18,100
comments. Welcome.

3329
02:43:18,100 --> 02:43:20,100
>>Hi, good morning, board.

3330
02:43:20,100 --> 02:43:21,100
Pat McDonnell. I'm the housing

3331
02:43:21,100 --> 02:43:23,100
team supervisor at Legal Aid

3332
02:43:23,100 --> 02:43:24,100
of Sonoma County. I am

3333
02:43:24,100 --> 02:43:26,100
in support

3334
02:43:26,100 --> 02:43:27,100
of the proposal brought

3335
02:43:27,100 --> 02:43:29,100
before you today to waive or

3336
02:43:29,100 --> 02:43:32,100
diminish impact fees. As a

3337
02:43:32,100 --> 02:43:35,100
housing attorney who works full

3338
02:43:35,100 --> 02:43:37,100
time on trying to keep people

3339
02:43:37,100 --> 02:43:39,100
in housing, I can tell you that

3340
02:43:39,100 --> 02:43:41,100
the work that we do at Legal

3341
02:43:41,100 --> 02:43:43,100
Aid is very important,

3342
02:43:43,100 --> 02:43:45,100
but it is not the full solution

3343
02:43:45,100 --> 02:43:47,100
by any stretch

3344
02:43:47,100 --> 02:43:48,100
of the imagination. What so

3345
02:43:48,100 --> 02:43:50,100
many of my clients need is

3346
02:43:50,100 --> 02:43:52,100
housing options. You know,

3347
02:43:52,100 --> 02:43:53,100
more attorneys are great, but

3348
02:43:53,100 --> 02:43:55,100
more attorneys can't save

3349
02:43:55,100 --> 02:43:57,100
everyone. We need to make sure

3350
02:43:57,100 --> 02:43:58,100
that we have sufficient housing

3351
02:43:58,100 --> 02:43:59,100
to put people in. We talk all

3352
02:43:59,100 --> 02:44:01,100
the time

3353
02:44:01,100 --> 02:44:02,100
about a housing crisis, and I'm

3354
02:44:02,100 --> 02:44:03,100
sure pretty much everyone up at

3355
02:44:03,100 --> 02:44:05,100
the dais has had the experience

3356
02:44:05,100 --> 02:44:06,100
of talking

3357
02:44:06,100 --> 02:44:07,100
to a first responder, a fire

3358
02:44:07,100 --> 02:44:09,100
chief, a police chief, and,

3359
02:44:09,100 --> 02:44:10,100
you know,

3360
02:44:10,100 --> 02:44:12,100
saying anything that you need,

3361
02:44:12,100 --> 02:44:14,100
let me know, it's yours.

3362
02:44:14,100 --> 02:44:15,100
Right. That is,

3363
02:44:15,100 --> 02:44:16,100
the response that we often have

3364
02:44:16,100 --> 02:44:17,100
in a crisis is we pull any

3365
02:44:17,100 --> 02:44:19,100
resource, any policy tool, any

3366
02:44:19,100 --> 02:44:20,100
policy lever that might be

3367
02:44:20,100 --> 02:44:21,100
needed to resolve the crisis.

3368
02:44:21,100 --> 02:44:23,100
But when it comes to housing,

3369
02:44:23,100 --> 02:44:24,100
because of the nature

3370
02:44:24,100 --> 02:44:25,100
of the crisis that it builds

3371
02:44:25,100 --> 02:44:27,100
over the course of generations

3372
02:44:27,100 --> 02:44:28,100
and it takes so long

3373
02:44:28,100 --> 02:44:29,100
to resolve,

3374
02:44:29,100 --> 02:44:31,100
we often don't put everything

3375
02:44:31,100 --> 02:44:32,100
on the table that we ought

3376
02:44:32,100 --> 02:44:33,100
to when we talk about trying

3377
02:44:33,100 --> 02:44:35,100
to resolve the crisis. And so I

3378
02:44:35,100 --> 02:44:36,100
encourage you to think of this

3379
02:44:36,100 --> 02:44:37,100
crisis the way you would think

3380
02:44:37,100 --> 02:44:39,100
of any other crisis. Any policy

3381
02:44:39,100 --> 02:44:40,100
lever that is at your disposal

3382
02:44:40,100 --> 02:44:42,100
is something that should be

3383
02:44:42,100 --> 02:44:44,100
on the table. I encourage you

3384
02:44:44,100 --> 02:44:46,100
to pull all of the levers. We

3385
02:44:46,100 --> 02:44:47,100
are in such a crisis,

3386
02:44:47,100 --> 02:44:49,100
and it requires the leadership

3387
02:44:49,100 --> 02:44:50,100
of this board

3388
02:44:50,100 --> 02:44:52,100
to make sure that we get out

3389
02:44:52,100 --> 02:44:54,100
of it. Thank you.

3390
02:44:54,100 --> 02:44:56,100
>>Thank you so much, Pat.

3391
02:44:56,100 --> 02:44:57,100
Welcome.

3392
02:44:57,100 --> 02:44:58,100
>>Good morning, chair and board

3393
02:44:58,100 --> 02:44:59,100
members Nicholas Birtzel,

3394
02:44:59,100 --> 02:45:00,100
representing Providence and our

3395
02:45:00,100 --> 02:45:03,100
three acute care hospitals in

3396
02:45:03,100 --> 02:45:05,100
Sonoma County. Providence is

3397
02:45:05,100 --> 02:45:06,100
very supportive

3398
02:45:06,100 --> 02:45:08,100
of housing development,

3399
02:45:09,100 --> 02:45:10,100
specifically low and moderate

3400
02:45:10,100 --> 02:45:12,100
income housing. We invest a

3401
02:45:12,100 --> 02:45:14,100
significant amount specifically

3402
02:45:20,100 --> 02:45:21,100
via our community benefit

3403
02:45:21,100 --> 02:45:23,100
program, again here in support

3404
02:45:23,100 --> 02:45:24,100
of the proposal to eliminate or

3405
02:45:24,100 --> 02:45:25,100
reduce impact fees. It will

3406
02:45:25,100 --> 02:45:26,100
spur economic development. We

3407
02:45:26,100 --> 02:45:27,100
thank your wonderful staff here

3408
02:45:27,100 --> 02:45:28,100
who has pointed out that

3409
02:45:28,100 --> 02:45:29,100
significant resources are

3410
02:45:29,100 --> 02:45:30,100
needed to address this issue

3411
02:45:30,100 --> 02:45:31,100
and waiving these fees will

3412
02:45:31,100 --> 02:45:32,100
spur development. We are

3413
02:45:32,100 --> 02:45:33,100
supportive specifically

3414
02:45:33,100 --> 02:45:34,100
of option one, which is the

3415
02:45:34,100 --> 02:45:35,100
largest investment obviously

3416
02:45:35,100 --> 02:45:36,100
in housing development.

3417
02:45:36,100 --> 02:45:37,100
However, again,

3418
02:45:37,100 --> 02:45:38,100
very supportive of all three.

3419
02:45:38,100 --> 02:45:39,100
>>Options or the two additional

3420
02:45:39,100 --> 02:45:40,100
options as.

3421
02:45:40,100 --> 02:45:41,100
>>Well, should the board find

3422
02:45:41,100 --> 02:45:43,100
that more preferable. Again,

3423
02:45:43,100 --> 02:45:44,100
all

3424
02:45:44,100 --> 02:45:45,100
of these are budget conscious.

3425
02:45:45,100 --> 02:45:46,100
They're achievable, and within

3426
02:45:46,100 --> 02:45:48,100
a short term.

3427
02:45:48,100 --> 02:45:49,100
>>Will spur additional

3428
02:45:49,100 --> 02:45:50,100
development,

3429
02:45:50,100 --> 02:45:51,100
which is important.

3430
02:45:51,100 --> 02:45:53,100
>>Not only to our patients,

3431
02:45:53,100 --> 02:45:54,100
but to our caregivers. So,

3432
02:45:54,100 --> 02:45:55,100
again, thank you for

3433
02:45:55,100 --> 02:45:56,100
considering this very important

3434
02:45:56,100 --> 02:45:57,100
issue. Thank you so much.

3435
02:45:57,100 --> 02:45:58,100
>>Thank you so much.

3436
02:45:58,100 --> 02:45:59,100
Nicholas. Welcome.

3437
02:45:59,100 --> 02:46:00,100
>>Good morning. I'm Harry

3438
02:46:00,100 --> 02:46:02,100
Davidian. I'm CEO of Digital

3439
02:46:02,100 --> 02:46:03,100
Sensing and Control, a company

3440
02:46:03,100 --> 02:46:04,100
based here in Sonoma County. I

3441
02:46:04,100 --> 02:46:06,100
want to start out

3442
02:46:06,100 --> 02:46:07,100
by commending the staff

3443
02:46:07,100 --> 02:46:09,100
for this work they have done

3444
02:46:09,100 --> 02:46:10,100
into developing these three

3445
02:46:10,100 --> 02:46:11,100
proposals that you're

3446
02:46:11,100 --> 02:46:13,100
considering today. And I think

3447
02:46:13,100 --> 02:46:14,100
they provide a sound basis

3448
02:46:14,100 --> 02:46:15,100
for you to make a decision.

3449
02:46:15,100 --> 02:46:16,100
For me, the starting point of

3450
02:46:16,100 --> 02:46:17,100
this discussion is this

3451
02:46:17,100 --> 02:46:19,401
terrific report that was

3452
02:46:20,100 --> 02:46:21,100
prepared by Generation

3453
02:46:21,100 --> 02:46:23,100
Housing. Key points that I take

3454
02:46:23,100 --> 02:46:24,100
away from that report are

3455
02:46:24,100 --> 02:46:25,100
Sonoma County's population is

3456
02:46:25,100 --> 02:46:27,100
aging and is aging faster than

3457
02:46:27,100 --> 02:46:28,100
the state as a whole. An older

3458
02:46:28,100 --> 02:46:30,100
population tends

3459
02:46:30,100 --> 02:46:33,100
to need smaller housing units,

3460
02:46:33,100 --> 02:46:36,100
but our housing stock is skewed

3461
02:46:36,100 --> 02:46:39,100
toward larger units and there's

3462
02:46:40,100 --> 02:46:42,100
a significant deficit with one

3463
02:46:42,100 --> 02:46:43,100
to two bedroom units. 3. The

3464
02:46:43,100 --> 02:46:44,100
cost

3465
02:46:44,100 --> 02:46:47,100
of housing have risen rapidly.

3466
02:46:47,100 --> 02:46:48,100
This has priced many people

3467
02:46:48,100 --> 02:46:49,100
out of the market,

3468
02:46:49,100 --> 02:46:51,100
especially younger People just

3469
02:46:51,100 --> 02:46:52,100
starting out. What do these

3470
02:46:52,100 --> 02:46:54,100
facts mean? There is a mismatch

3471
02:46:54,100 --> 02:46:56,100
between the type of housing

3472
02:46:56,100 --> 02:46:58,100
needed and the housing that's

3473
02:46:58,100 --> 02:47:00,100
available in the county.

3474
02:47:00,100 --> 02:47:01,100
There's a mishmash

3475
02:47:01,100 --> 02:47:02,100
between the quantity of housing

3476
02:47:02,100 --> 02:47:04,100
needed versus what's available

3477
02:47:04,100 --> 02:47:06,100
in the county. And there's a

3478
02:47:06,100 --> 02:47:09,100
mismatch between the cost of

3479
02:47:09,100 --> 02:47:11,100
housing and what people can

3480
02:47:11,100 --> 02:47:13,100
afford. This lack of affordable

3481
02:47:13,100 --> 02:47:14,100
housing has negative regional

3482
02:47:14,100 --> 02:47:16,100
economic consequences. It

3483
02:47:16,100 --> 02:47:18,100
drives out younger workers and

3484
02:47:18,100 --> 02:47:19,100
only those

3485
02:47:19,100 --> 02:47:22,100
with high paying jobs can

3486
02:47:22,100 --> 02:47:23,100
afford to live here. And the

3487
02:47:23,100 --> 02:47:24,100
composition of our labor force

3488
02:47:24,100 --> 02:47:26,100
gets skewed because of this.

3489
02:47:26,100 --> 02:47:27,100
And businesses can't find

3490
02:47:27,100 --> 02:47:29,100
people

3491
02:47:29,100 --> 02:47:30,100
with the skills that they need.

3492
02:47:30,100 --> 02:47:31,100
And a final point. The

3493
02:47:31,100 --> 02:47:32,100
economics of building

3494
02:47:32,100 --> 02:47:33,100
affordable housing units are

3495
02:47:33,100 --> 02:47:34,100
lousy. It's difficult

3496
02:47:34,100 --> 02:47:35,100
for developers

3497
02:47:35,100 --> 02:47:37,100
to make the numbers work.

3498
02:47:37,100 --> 02:47:38,100
Where does this leave us? We

3499
02:47:38,100 --> 02:47:40,100
need more housing. We need more

3500
02:47:40,100 --> 02:47:42,100
affordable housing. We need to

3501
02:47:42,100 --> 02:47:43,100
rebalance our population

3502
02:47:43,100 --> 02:47:44,100
distribution. Our economy needs

3503
02:47:44,100 --> 02:47:45,100
more young people who are just

3504
02:47:45,100 --> 02:47:46,100
starting out. And this requires

3505
02:47:46,100 --> 02:47:49,100
that we rebalance the type of

3506
02:47:49,100 --> 02:47:51,100
housing that stock that we

3507
02:47:51,100 --> 02:47:52,100
have. Reducing the impact fees

3508
02:47:52,100 --> 02:47:54,100
will help improve the economics

3509
02:47:54,100 --> 02:47:56,100
of building the kind

3510
02:47:56,100 --> 02:47:57,100
of housing we need. Please

3511
02:47:57,100 --> 02:47:58,100
support option 1, which

3512
02:47:58,100 --> 02:48:00,100
provides the most benefits and

3513
02:48:00,100 --> 02:48:01,100
the most incentive

3514
02:48:01,100 --> 02:48:03,100
for producing the kind

3515
02:48:03,100 --> 02:48:06,100
of housing that we need. Thank

3516
02:48:06,100 --> 02:48:07,100
you for the opportunity

3517
02:48:07,100 --> 02:48:09,100
to speak today.

3518
02:48:09,100 --> 02:48:10,100
>>Good to see you.

3519
02:48:10,100 --> 02:48:12,100
>>Thank you so much. Harry,

3520
02:48:12,100 --> 02:48:14,100
good to see you. Good morning.

3521
02:48:14,100 --> 02:48:16,100
>>Good morning, supervisors.

3522
02:48:16,100 --> 02:48:17,100
My name is Jocelyn Lynn and I'm

3523
02:48:17,100 --> 02:48:19,100
the chief real estate

3524
02:48:19,100 --> 02:48:20,100
development officer for

3525
02:48:20,100 --> 02:48:22,100
Burbank Housing. As you know,

3526
02:48:22,100 --> 02:48:24,100
Burbank Housing is a leading

3527
02:48:24,100 --> 02:48:25,100
nonprofit affordable housing

3528
02:48:25,100 --> 02:48:26,000
provider in Sonoma County. And

3529
02:48:26,000 --> 02:48:28,100
I've been with Burbank

3530
02:48:28,100 --> 02:48:30,100
for eight years. And I can tell

3531
02:48:30,100 --> 02:48:32,100
you with firsthand experience

3532
02:48:32,100 --> 02:48:33,100
that building hard. Building

3533
02:48:33,100 --> 02:48:35,100
housing is hard. And the reason

3534
02:48:35,100 --> 02:48:36,100
it's hard is because

3535
02:48:36,100 --> 02:48:38,100
construction costs continue

3536
02:48:38,100 --> 02:48:39,100
to rise, lending costs are

3537
02:48:39,100 --> 02:48:40,100
high, and federal,

3538
02:48:40,100 --> 02:48:42,100
state and local resources for

3539
02:48:42,100 --> 02:48:43,100
affordable housing funding have

3540
02:48:43,100 --> 02:48:45,100
dwindled. And while we've had a

3541
02:48:45,100 --> 02:48:47,100
construction boom a little bit,

3542
02:48:47,100 --> 02:48:48,100
with the disaster relief

3543
02:48:48,100 --> 02:48:50,100
dollars that came into

3544
02:48:50,100 --> 02:48:52,100
to our region, those disaster

3545
02:48:52,100 --> 02:48:54,100
recovery funds have been

3546
02:48:54,100 --> 02:48:55,100
exhausted. And so we're back

3547
02:48:55,100 --> 02:48:57,100
to the drawing board

3548
02:48:57,100 --> 02:48:58,100
of competing with other

3549
02:48:58,100 --> 02:49:00,100
affordable housing providers

3550
02:49:00,100 --> 02:49:01,100
throughout the state for very

3551
02:49:01,100 --> 02:49:03,100
scarce and limited resources.

3552
02:49:03,100 --> 02:49:04,100
My development team at

3553
02:49:04,100 --> 02:49:05,100
Burbank Housing has the task

3554
02:49:05,100 --> 02:49:07,100
of trying

3555
02:49:07,100 --> 02:49:09,100
to make projects pencil. And so

3556
02:49:09,100 --> 02:49:10,100
we put together development

3557
02:49:10,100 --> 02:49:12,100
budgets, sources and uses. We

3558
02:49:12,100 --> 02:49:13,100
run pro formas and financial

3559
02:49:13,100 --> 02:49:15,100
projections. But no matter

3560
02:49:15,100 --> 02:49:17,100
which way we thin slice it,

3561
02:49:17,100 --> 02:49:18,100
the problem's always the same.

3562
02:49:18,100 --> 02:49:20,100
Costs are high and there's not

3563
02:49:20,100 --> 02:49:22,100
enough funding. One

3564
02:49:22,100 --> 02:49:23,100
of the things we do is we go

3565
02:49:23,100 --> 02:49:25,100
through our development budgets

3566
02:49:25,100 --> 02:49:26,100
line by line. And one of those

3567
02:49:26,100 --> 02:49:28,100
line items are development

3568
02:49:28,100 --> 02:49:30,100
impact fees. And it's one of

3569
02:49:30,100 --> 02:49:31,100
those where we can't squeeze,

3570
02:49:31,100 --> 02:49:33,100
we can't cut,

3571
02:49:33,100 --> 02:49:34,100
unless something changes

3572
02:49:34,100 --> 02:49:36,100
at the higher level here. And

3573
02:49:36,100 --> 02:49:38,100
so I'm in support

3574
02:49:38,100 --> 02:49:39,100
of option one, which is

3575
02:49:39,100 --> 02:49:41,401
to reduce 100% impact fees

3576
02:49:43,100 --> 02:49:45,100
for affordable housing.

3577
02:49:45,100 --> 02:49:46,100
Oftentimes these impact fees

3578
02:49:46,100 --> 02:49:47,100
are typically

3579
02:49:47,100 --> 02:49:49,100
over a million dollars,

3580
02:49:49,100 --> 02:49:51,100
sometimes over $2 million,

3581
02:49:51,100 --> 02:49:52,100
depending on the size

3582
02:49:52,100 --> 02:49:54,100
of our project. To be able

3583
02:49:54,100 --> 02:49:55,100
to eliminate it and to zero it

3584
02:49:55,100 --> 02:49:57,100
out makes a huge difference

3585
02:49:57,100 --> 02:49:58,100
in our development budget.

3586
02:49:58,100 --> 02:49:59,100
Oftentimes, it's the tipping

3587
02:49:59,100 --> 02:50:01,100
point for whether a project can

3588
02:50:01,100 --> 02:50:02,100
move forward or not. So I ask

3589
02:50:02,100 --> 02:50:05,100
that you consider option one,

3590
02:50:07,100 --> 02:50:08,100
which is something we sorely

3591
02:50:08,100 --> 02:50:10,100
need. Thank you.

3592
02:50:10,100 --> 02:50:11,100
>>Thank you so much. Jocelyn.

3593
02:50:11,100 --> 02:50:12,100
Good morning.

3594
02:50:12,100 --> 02:50:14,100
>>Good morning. I'm Abby

3595
02:50:14,100 --> 02:50:16,401
Arnold. I'm a homeowner

3596
02:50:17,100 --> 02:50:19,100
in the Montgomery Village

3597
02:50:19,100 --> 02:50:21,100
neighborhood. I often engage

3598
02:50:21,100 --> 02:50:23,100
with people

3599
02:50:23,100 --> 02:50:24,100
about their living situations,

3600
02:50:24,100 --> 02:50:27,100
people who I come into contact

3601
02:50:27,100 --> 02:50:29,100
with in my daily life. And I

3602
02:50:29,100 --> 02:50:31,100
hear more and more people

3603
02:50:31,100 --> 02:50:32,100
talking

3604
02:50:32,100 --> 02:50:34,100
about their long commutes

3605
02:50:34,100 --> 02:50:36,401
from Lake County, Alameda

3606
02:50:37,100 --> 02:50:38,100
County, Contra Costa County.

3607
02:50:38,100 --> 02:50:40,100
There are people who work here

3608
02:50:40,100 --> 02:50:43,100
in Sonoma county and they live

3609
02:50:43,100 --> 02:50:44,100
with friends and family members

3610
02:50:44,100 --> 02:50:46,100
in these faraway places. And

3611
02:50:46,100 --> 02:50:48,100
they end up commuting,

3612
02:50:48,100 --> 02:50:50,100
polluting our air,

3613
02:50:50,100 --> 02:50:52,100
burning fossil fuels, causing

3614
02:50:52,100 --> 02:50:53,100
traffic,

3615
02:50:53,100 --> 02:50:54,100
and adding three unpaid hours

3616
02:50:54,100 --> 02:50:55,100
to their workday every day

3617
02:50:55,100 --> 02:50:57,401
because they can't afford

3618
02:50:58,100 --> 02:51:00,100
to live here. Our school

3619
02:51:00,100 --> 02:51:01,100
districts are looking at

3620
02:51:01,100 --> 02:51:03,100
closing schools because there

3621
02:51:03,100 --> 02:51:05,100
aren't enough kids

3622
02:51:05,100 --> 02:51:07,100
to fill them. This should be a

3623
02:51:07,100 --> 02:51:08,100
huge wake up notice to all

3624
02:51:08,100 --> 02:51:10,100
of us that we need to make new

3625
02:51:10,100 --> 02:51:11,100
housing accessible and

3626
02:51:11,100 --> 02:51:12,100
affordable

3627
02:51:12,100 --> 02:51:14,100
for young families. You can do

3628
02:51:14,100 --> 02:51:16,100
something about the high cost

3629
02:51:16,100 --> 02:51:18,100
of new housing by adopting the

3630
02:51:18,100 --> 02:51:20,100
proposed fee waivers. We

3631
02:51:20,100 --> 02:51:21,100
understand that the cost

3632
02:51:21,100 --> 02:51:23,100
of materials can't be

3633
02:51:23,100 --> 02:51:25,100
controlled by the Board of

3634
02:51:25,100 --> 02:51:27,100
Supervisors. And of course, we

3635
02:51:27,100 --> 02:51:28,100
want the people who are doing

3636
02:51:28,100 --> 02:51:29,100
the building

3637
02:51:29,100 --> 02:51:30,100
to be paid fairly.

3638
02:51:30,100 --> 02:51:31,100
But the fees,

3639
02:51:31,100 --> 02:51:32,100
as the previous speaker

3640
02:51:32,100 --> 02:51:33,100
described,

3641
02:51:33,100 --> 02:51:35,100
are a significant part

3642
02:51:35,100 --> 02:51:36,100
of the problem, along

3643
02:51:36,100 --> 02:51:37,100
with the length

3644
02:51:37,100 --> 02:51:38,100
of time it takes

3645
02:51:38,100 --> 02:51:39,100
to get local approval. Reform

3646
02:51:39,100 --> 02:51:40,100
of the development fee can make

3647
02:51:40,100 --> 02:51:41,100
a big difference

3648
02:51:41,100 --> 02:51:43,100
in how long it takes to get

3649
02:51:43,100 --> 02:51:44,100
housing built. I encourage you

3650
02:51:44,100 --> 02:51:45,100
to waive the impact fees today

3651
02:51:45,100 --> 02:51:47,100
and help make Sonoma County a

3652
02:51:47,100 --> 02:51:49,100
place where our workforce can

3653
02:51:49,100 --> 02:51:52,100
find a place to live. Thank

3654
02:51:52,100 --> 02:51:54,100
you.

3655
02:51:54,100 --> 02:51:56,100
>>Thank you so much, Abby.

3656
02:51:56,100 --> 02:51:58,100
Good morning.

3657
02:51:59,100 --> 02:52:00,100
>>Good morning. I'm Renee Bick

3658
02:52:00,100 --> 02:52:01,100
with Paradise Ridge Winery

3659
02:52:01,100 --> 02:52:03,100
on the Sonoma County

3660
02:52:03,100 --> 02:52:04,100
Hospitality association board

3661
02:52:04,100 --> 02:52:06,100
and the Santa Rosa Metro

3662
02:52:06,100 --> 02:52:07,100
Advocacy Council. And housing

3663
02:52:07,100 --> 02:52:09,100
is affordable housing is one

3664
02:52:09,100 --> 02:52:12,100
of the top subjects we talk

3665
02:52:12,100 --> 02:52:15,100
about all the time. Actually,

3666
02:52:15,100 --> 02:52:17,100
an investment

3667
02:52:18,100 --> 02:52:20,100
in our housing is an investment

3668
02:52:20,100 --> 02:52:22,100
in our community. I actually

3669
02:52:22,100 --> 02:52:25,100
just got a two week notice

3670
02:52:25,100 --> 02:52:28,601
of one of our employees who's

3671
02:52:29,100 --> 02:52:31,100
pregnant and she is getting

3672
02:52:31,100 --> 02:52:32,100
evicted because she can't

3673
02:52:32,100 --> 02:52:34,100
afford to stay here in Santa

3674
02:52:34,100 --> 02:52:36,100
Rosa. She's moving to

3675
02:52:36,100 --> 02:52:39,100
Sacramento. And we need more

3676
02:52:39,100 --> 02:52:41,401
affordable housing for the

3677
02:52:42,100 --> 02:52:43,100
hospitality community and the

3678
02:52:43,100 --> 02:52:45,100
community in general. It helps

3679
02:52:45,100 --> 02:52:46,100
families,

3680
02:52:46,100 --> 02:52:48,100
businesses and workforce more

3681
02:52:48,100 --> 02:52:51,100
jobs, less crime, and increased

3682
02:52:51,100 --> 02:52:53,401
tax revenue and decreased

3683
02:52:55,100 --> 02:52:56,100
spending on social safety

3684
02:52:56,100 --> 02:52:58,401
services. I encourage you

3685
02:52:59,100 --> 02:53:01,100
to choose option one,

3686
02:53:01,100 --> 02:53:02,100
eliminating the fees.

3687
02:53:02,100 --> 02:53:05,100
>>Thank you so much. Good

3688
02:53:06,100 --> 02:53:08,100
morning.

3689
02:53:09,100 --> 02:53:12,601
>>Hello. Good to see you. I'm

3690
02:53:15,100 --> 02:53:16,100
Bea Fernandez, and I'm actually

3691
02:53:16,100 --> 02:53:17,100
wearing two hats

3692
02:53:17,100 --> 02:53:18,100
to be up here today. The first

3693
02:53:18,100 --> 02:53:21,100
one is just. For most

3694
02:53:21,100 --> 02:53:22,100
of my life,

3695
02:53:22,100 --> 02:53:24,100
I haven't been able

3696
02:53:24,100 --> 02:53:25,100
to afford a home, and so I've

3697
02:53:25,100 --> 02:53:27,100
been the dreaded renter. And I

3698
02:53:27,100 --> 02:53:31,201
know that as when we would move

3699
02:53:32,100 --> 02:53:34,100
into a neighborhood,

3700
02:53:34,100 --> 02:53:36,100
we would hear. There was one

3701
02:53:36,100 --> 02:53:37,100
particular woman that seemed to

3702
02:53:37,100 --> 02:53:38,100
encapsulate what you guys hear

3703
02:53:38,100 --> 02:53:39,100
all the time about building

3704
02:53:39,100 --> 02:53:40,100
more housing and having renters

3705
02:53:40,100 --> 02:53:42,100
come in. She came over and

3706
02:53:42,100 --> 02:53:44,100
introduced herself and she

3707
02:53:44,100 --> 02:53:45,100
said, just want to make sure

3708
02:53:45,100 --> 02:53:47,100
that you guys know not to park

3709
02:53:47,100 --> 02:53:49,100
in front

3710
02:53:49,100 --> 02:53:50,100
of my house. I don't want

3711
02:53:50,100 --> 02:53:51,100
to look at your car in front

3712
02:53:51,100 --> 02:53:52,100
of your window. You know,

3713
02:53:52,100 --> 02:53:54,100
it's totally public street.

3714
02:53:54,100 --> 02:53:55,100
She wanted to make sure that

3715
02:53:55,100 --> 02:53:56,100
she didn't want her property

3716
02:53:56,100 --> 02:53:58,100
values

3717
02:53:58,100 --> 02:54:01,100
to get lowered because, you

3718
02:54:01,100 --> 02:54:03,100
know, we would make a mess

3719
02:54:03,100 --> 02:54:04,100
in our yard. I mean,

3720
02:54:04,100 --> 02:54:06,100
it was just like all the things

3721
02:54:06,100 --> 02:54:07,100
that you hear from really

3722
02:54:07,100 --> 02:54:08,100
entitled homeowners. And so,

3723
02:54:08,100 --> 02:54:11,100
you know, we killed her

3724
02:54:13,100 --> 02:54:14,100
with kindness. We were living

3725
02:54:14,100 --> 02:54:15,100
there a long time,

3726
02:54:15,100 --> 02:54:16,100
and we ended up. My husband's a

3727
02:54:16,100 --> 02:54:18,100
saxophone player, and she would

3728
02:54:18,100 --> 02:54:19,100
hear the music coming out

3729
02:54:19,100 --> 02:54:21,100
of our apartment, and

3730
02:54:21,100 --> 02:54:24,100
eventually she went and saw the

3731
02:54:24,100 --> 02:54:25,100
band, and then he played

3732
02:54:25,100 --> 02:54:26,100
for her daughter's wedding.

3733
02:54:26,100 --> 02:54:28,100
You know, it was kind of

3734
02:54:28,100 --> 02:54:30,100
like all of a sudden we were

3735
02:54:30,100 --> 02:54:32,100
real people. And for me,

3736
02:54:32,100 --> 02:54:34,401
as a graphic designer,

3737
02:54:35,100 --> 02:54:36,100
I ended up. She hired me

3738
02:54:36,100 --> 02:54:38,100
to do donor event materials.

3739
02:54:38,100 --> 02:54:41,100
And so it was just. It was just

3740
02:54:41,100 --> 02:54:43,100
in my own personal life, you

3741
02:54:43,100 --> 02:54:45,100
could see how people can change

3742
02:54:45,100 --> 02:54:47,100
their mind. And that. That

3743
02:54:47,100 --> 02:54:49,401
in my other hat

3744
02:54:50,100 --> 02:54:52,100
of generation housing,

3745
02:54:52,100 --> 02:54:54,100
that's what I'm being tasked

3746
02:54:54,100 --> 02:54:55,100
with is coming up with the

3747
02:54:55,100 --> 02:54:57,100
public awareness campaigns that

3748
02:54:57,100 --> 02:54:59,100
are going to give you guys a

3749
02:54:59,100 --> 02:55:01,100
little bit more protection

3750
02:55:01,100 --> 02:55:02,100
in a way, because I know a lot

3751
02:55:02,100 --> 02:55:04,100
of homeowners are not very nice

3752
02:55:04,100 --> 02:55:05,100
about these big apartment

3753
02:55:05,100 --> 02:55:07,100
buildings getting put up and

3754
02:55:07,100 --> 02:55:09,100
like, who lives there. So

3755
02:55:09,100 --> 02:55:11,100
that's part

3756
02:55:11,100 --> 02:55:12,100
of what generation housing, the

3757
02:55:12,100 --> 02:55:15,100
public awareness is that real

3758
02:55:15,100 --> 02:55:16,100
people live there. People that

3759
02:55:16,100 --> 02:55:18,100
work here need to be able

3760
02:55:18,100 --> 02:55:19,100
to afford to live here. And so

3761
02:55:19,100 --> 02:55:20,100
I say impact fees are just one

3762
02:55:20,100 --> 02:55:22,100
tiny little thing that we can

3763
02:55:22,100 --> 02:55:24,100
do.

3764
02:55:24,100 --> 02:55:26,100
But every little thing adds up.

3765
02:55:26,100 --> 02:55:28,100
And I ask that you.

3766
02:55:28,100 --> 02:55:30,100
>>Thank you.

3767
02:55:30,100 --> 02:55:31,100
>>Be number one.

3768
02:55:31,100 --> 02:55:32,100
>>Thank you. Thank you very

3769
02:55:32,100 --> 02:55:35,100
much. Good to see you. Welcome

3770
02:55:35,100 --> 02:55:36,100
and good morning.

3771
02:55:36,100 --> 02:55:38,100
>>Good morning. My name is

3772
02:55:38,100 --> 02:55:39,100
Jamie and Studley and I own a

3773
02:55:39,100 --> 02:55:41,100
home between Sebastopol and

3774
02:55:41,100 --> 02:55:42,100
Freestone. This is my first

3775
02:55:42,100 --> 02:55:43,100
time before the Board of

3776
02:55:43,100 --> 02:55:45,100
Supervisors. I'm also a member

3777
02:55:45,100 --> 02:55:46,100
of Generation Housing, here to

3778
02:55:46,100 --> 02:55:48,100
support a strong and bold

3779
02:55:48,100 --> 02:55:51,100
impact fee reduction policy. I

3780
02:55:51,100 --> 02:55:53,100
know you understand the urgency

3781
02:55:53,100 --> 02:55:54,100
of adding housing. You don't

3782
02:55:54,100 --> 02:55:56,100
have to be convinced of that.

3783
02:55:56,100 --> 02:55:57,100
We all know that our economy,

3784
02:55:57,100 --> 02:55:59,100
family well being, health and

3785
02:55:59,100 --> 02:56:01,100
safety, safety and environment

3786
02:56:01,100 --> 02:56:02,100
are dependent on the choices

3787
02:56:02,100 --> 02:56:04,100
that you make and that we all

3788
02:56:04,100 --> 02:56:06,100
make to increase housing. As a

3789
02:56:06,100 --> 02:56:08,100
former president of Public

3790
02:56:08,100 --> 02:56:10,100
Advocates, a statewide policy

3791
02:56:10,100 --> 02:56:11,100
advocacy group, I know how

3792
02:56:11,100 --> 02:56:13,100
important local rules and

3793
02:56:13,100 --> 02:56:14,100
public understanding are to

3794
02:56:14,100 --> 02:56:16,100
achieving our housing goals and

3795
02:56:16,100 --> 02:56:18,100
arena allocation

3796
02:56:18,100 --> 02:56:19,100
for our county. As a member

3797
02:56:19,100 --> 02:56:21,100
of the board of the Sebastopol

3798
02:56:21,100 --> 02:56:23,100
center for the Arts, I see how

3799
02:56:23,100 --> 02:56:24,100
vital housing is to preserving

3800
02:56:24,100 --> 02:56:26,401
the lively artistic and

3801
02:56:27,100 --> 02:56:28,100
cultural community that is so

3802
02:56:28,100 --> 02:56:30,100
central to our understanding

3803
02:56:30,100 --> 02:56:31,100
of the glories of Sonoma

3804
02:56:31,100 --> 02:56:33,100
County County. And as a former

3805
02:56:33,100 --> 02:56:34,100
deputy under secretary of the

3806
02:56:34,100 --> 02:56:36,100
U.S. department of Education, I

3807
02:56:36,100 --> 02:56:37,100
understand the challenge that

3808
02:56:37,100 --> 02:56:39,100
you face

3809
02:56:39,100 --> 02:56:40,100
of matching goals and policy to

3810
02:56:40,100 --> 02:56:42,100
decisions and values. I'm here

3811
02:56:42,100 --> 02:56:44,100
to support the Generation

3812
02:56:44,100 --> 02:56:46,100
Housing public proposed policy

3813
02:56:46,100 --> 02:56:48,100
position. And number one,

3814
02:56:48,100 --> 02:56:50,100
today I simply ask you

3815
02:56:50,100 --> 02:56:52,100
to choose the best,

3816
02:56:52,100 --> 02:56:53,100
boldest option

3817
02:56:53,100 --> 02:56:55,100
for impact fee reform and

3818
02:56:55,100 --> 02:56:57,100
to act now so that our values,

3819
02:56:57,100 --> 02:56:59,100
commitments and words can turn

3820
02:56:59,100 --> 02:57:00,100
into projects,

3821
02:57:00,100 --> 02:57:02,100
shovels and homes

3822
02:57:02,100 --> 02:57:04,100
for our neighbors. Thank you.

3823
02:57:04,100 --> 02:57:06,100
>>Thank you so much. Good

3824
02:57:06,100 --> 02:57:08,100
morning.

3825
02:57:12,100 --> 02:57:13,100
>>Good morning. My name is

3826
02:57:13,100 --> 02:57:15,100
Brenda Smith. I'm a proud

3827
02:57:15,100 --> 02:57:16,100
resident in Rohnert park and

3828
02:57:16,100 --> 02:57:18,100
currently living in an

3829
02:57:18,100 --> 02:57:19,100
affordable senior housing

3830
02:57:19,100 --> 02:57:20,100
community called Copland

3831
02:57:20,100 --> 02:57:21,100
Creek Apartments. As a recently

3832
02:57:21,100 --> 02:57:23,100
retired elementary school

3833
02:57:23,100 --> 02:57:25,100
teacher from San Rosa City

3834
02:57:25,100 --> 02:57:26,100
school, as of October 1,

3835
02:57:26,100 --> 02:57:28,100
2024, moving into Copland

3836
02:57:28,100 --> 02:57:30,100
Creek Apartments allowed me

3837
02:57:30,100 --> 02:57:32,100
affordable rent. 1300amonth.

3838
02:57:32,100 --> 02:57:34,100
It's 170 units with cottages

3839
02:57:34,100 --> 02:57:36,100
and apartments that includes

3840
02:57:36,100 --> 02:57:39,100
free water, sewer, garbage. It

3841
02:57:40,100 --> 02:57:42,100
has solar power, so I have

3842
02:57:42,100 --> 02:57:44,100
solar panels. I have

3843
02:57:44,100 --> 02:57:45,100
electricity covered,

3844
02:57:45,100 --> 02:57:47,100
free parking with an income

3845
02:57:47,100 --> 02:57:50,100
of 3700 now I can afford health

3846
02:57:50,100 --> 02:57:51,100
care through covered

3847
02:57:51,100 --> 02:57:53,100
California rent, my cell phone,

3848
02:57:53,100 --> 02:57:55,100
groceries, gas,

3849
02:57:56,100 --> 02:57:57,100
etc and I can substitute

3850
02:57:57,100 --> 02:57:59,100
for additional income yet.

3851
02:57:59,100 --> 02:58:02,100
Where are the Copland Creek

3852
02:58:02,100 --> 02:58:03,100
apartments in Sonoma County?

3853
02:58:03,100 --> 02:58:06,100
Prior to retiring I lived at

3854
02:58:06,100 --> 02:58:07,100
Oak View of Sonoma Hills and

3855
02:58:07,100 --> 02:58:08,100
Rohner Park. A 55 plus

3856
02:58:08,100 --> 02:58:10,100
community paying a market value

3857
02:58:10,100 --> 02:58:12,100
rent of 2300amonth with $40

3858
02:58:12,100 --> 02:58:15,100
parking fee. Water, sewer and

3859
02:58:16,100 --> 02:58:17,100
garbage was not included. That

3860
02:58:17,100 --> 02:58:20,100
was an additional hundred or

3861
02:58:21,100 --> 02:58:22,100
$100 a month when my income was

3862
02:58:22,100 --> 02:58:24,100
$90,000 and healthcare was

3863
02:58:24,100 --> 02:58:27,100
included in my salary. Seniors

3864
02:58:27,100 --> 02:58:29,100
are 30% of the population of

3865
02:58:29,100 --> 02:58:31,100
Sonoma County. How are you

3866
02:58:31,100 --> 02:58:33,100
preparing and caring for the

3867
02:58:33,100 --> 02:58:34,100
golden years? I support

3868
02:58:34,100 --> 02:58:37,100
generation housing. I'm also a

3869
02:58:37,100 --> 02:58:39,100
member to address the

3870
02:58:39,100 --> 02:58:41,100
affordable housing issues. And

3871
02:58:41,100 --> 02:58:42,100
I ask

3872
02:58:42,100 --> 02:58:43,100
for bold leadership now. Be

3873
02:58:43,100 --> 02:58:46,100
bold. Be brave. Be a leader. I

3874
02:58:46,100 --> 02:58:47,100
look forward to seeing more

3875
02:58:47,100 --> 02:58:48,100
affordable senior housing

3876
02:58:48,100 --> 02:58:49,100
projects

3877
02:58:49,100 --> 02:58:50,100
to support our teachers,

3878
02:58:50,100 --> 02:58:51,100
nurses, firefighters,

3879
02:58:51,100 --> 02:58:52,100
police officers who want

3880
02:58:52,100 --> 02:58:53,100
to retire live in affordable

3881
02:58:53,100 --> 02:58:54,100
housing projects that honor

3882
02:58:54,100 --> 02:58:55,100
their pensions and their

3883
02:58:55,100 --> 02:58:56,100
quality of life. Thank you.

3884
02:58:56,100 --> 02:58:58,100
>>Thank you so much. Welcome.

3885
02:58:58,100 --> 02:59:00,401
>>Thank you. Beth Craven,

3886
02:59:03,100 --> 02:59:05,100
resident of Rohnert Park. I'm

3887
02:59:05,100 --> 02:59:06,100
here to speak from two

3888
02:59:06,100 --> 02:59:08,100
perspectives this morning. One

3889
02:59:08,100 --> 02:59:10,100
is a parent of young adults,

3890
02:59:10,100 --> 02:59:12,100
a student who's

3891
02:59:13,100 --> 02:59:14,100
at the JC and as a volunteer

3892
02:59:14,100 --> 02:59:16,401
with the homeless community.

3893
02:59:17,100 --> 02:59:20,100
You may remember I spoke

3894
02:59:21,100 --> 02:59:22,100
to you all

3895
02:59:22,100 --> 02:59:24,100
about six months ago

3896
02:59:24,100 --> 02:59:25,100
about a young man, a friend

3897
02:59:25,100 --> 02:59:26,100
of my son, who I asked to move

3898
02:59:26,100 --> 02:59:27,100
in with us for the summer

3899
02:59:27,100 --> 02:59:29,100
because he could not afford

3900
02:59:29,100 --> 02:59:30,100
to live. His parents were first

3901
02:59:30,100 --> 02:59:32,100
responders

3902
02:59:32,100 --> 02:59:34,100
in the county and had chose to

3903
02:59:34,100 --> 02:59:36,100
leave the state because they

3904
02:59:36,100 --> 02:59:39,100
could not afford to stay. And

3905
02:59:39,100 --> 02:59:41,100
we're also suffering the

3906
02:59:41,100 --> 02:59:44,100
effects of trauma given our

3907
02:59:44,100 --> 02:59:46,100
recent years. And we. He was

3908
02:59:46,100 --> 02:59:48,100
trying to do it on his own,

3909
02:59:48,100 --> 02:59:49,100
living in the dorms at the jc

3910
02:59:49,100 --> 02:59:51,100
didn't have enough money. So he

3911
02:59:51,100 --> 02:59:53,100
said, come stay with us

3912
02:59:53,100 --> 02:59:55,100
for the summer. Well, it hasn't

3913
02:59:55,100 --> 02:59:57,100
worked out. He's left the

3914
02:59:57,100 --> 02:59:59,100
state. And this was a young man

3915
02:59:59,100 --> 03:00:00,100
who was studying to go into

3916
03:00:00,100 --> 03:00:02,401
counseling and therapy again,

3917
03:00:03,100 --> 03:00:04,100
wanted to be a public servant

3918
03:00:04,100 --> 03:00:06,100
like his parents. And so we are

3919
03:00:06,100 --> 03:00:08,100
losing our homegrown

3920
03:00:08,100 --> 03:00:10,100
individuals who are the support

3921
03:00:10,100 --> 03:00:12,100
for our community

3922
03:00:13,100 --> 03:00:15,100
to the working folks. We're

3923
03:00:15,100 --> 03:00:17,100
losing them. And as a volunteer

3924
03:00:17,100 --> 03:00:19,401
at the Unitarian Universalist

3925
03:00:20,100 --> 03:00:22,100
congregation Saturday breakfast

3926
03:00:23,100 --> 03:00:25,100
that has been serving breakfast

3927
03:00:25,100 --> 03:00:27,100
to our homeless community for

3928
03:00:27,100 --> 03:00:29,100
25 years, we're in there,

3929
03:00:29,100 --> 03:00:32,100
we're doing it every weekend.

3930
03:00:33,100 --> 03:00:35,401
We're serving these people.

3931
03:00:36,100 --> 03:00:38,100
We've been doing it 25 years,

3932
03:00:38,100 --> 03:00:41,100
and it's getting worse. It's

3933
03:00:41,100 --> 03:00:43,100
not getting better. And we're

3934
03:00:43,100 --> 03:00:45,100
burning out. These

3935
03:00:45,100 --> 03:00:47,100
organizations that are

3936
03:00:47,100 --> 03:00:49,100
providing services that our

3937
03:00:49,100 --> 03:00:50,100
federal government should be

3938
03:00:50,100 --> 03:00:52,401
providing for are struggling,

3939
03:00:53,100 --> 03:00:54,100
and we're burning out. And

3940
03:00:54,100 --> 03:00:56,100
we're looking for you

3941
03:00:56,100 --> 03:00:59,100
to give us some support

3942
03:01:01,100 --> 03:01:03,100
to go a little further. So

3943
03:01:03,100 --> 03:01:04,100
please support Gen H

3944
03:01:04,100 --> 03:01:06,100
on this proposal. Thank you.

3945
03:01:06,100 --> 03:01:09,100
>>Thank you so much. Good

3946
03:01:10,100 --> 03:01:12,100
afternoon.

3947
03:01:12,100 --> 03:01:13,100
>>Good afternoon, Madam

3948
03:01:13,100 --> 03:01:14,100
Chair, Honorable Supervisors

3949
03:01:14,100 --> 03:01:15,100
of Franca Rio Gallaher

3950
03:01:15,100 --> 03:01:17,100
Community Housing. I'll start

3951
03:01:17,100 --> 03:01:19,100
with a thank you to the board

3952
03:01:19,100 --> 03:01:21,100
for continuing

3953
03:01:21,100 --> 03:01:23,100
to keep this issue and this

3954
03:01:23,100 --> 03:01:24,100
item at the forefront. We know

3955
03:01:24,100 --> 03:01:26,100
that it's been years and months

3956
03:01:26,100 --> 03:01:29,100
of pressing forward good policy

3957
03:01:29,100 --> 03:01:30,100
and intentionality

3958
03:01:30,100 --> 03:01:32,100
around breaking barriers,

3959
03:01:32,100 --> 03:01:34,100
of creating housing, workforce,

3960
03:01:34,100 --> 03:01:35,100
housing, affordable housing and

3961
03:01:35,100 --> 03:01:37,100
housing that's necessary. You

3962
03:01:37,100 --> 03:01:38,100
know, it's unfortunate that

3963
03:01:38,100 --> 03:01:40,100
in this state of California we

3964
03:01:40,100 --> 03:01:43,100
need fires to remind us

3965
03:01:43,100 --> 03:01:45,100
of the housing crisis. And that

3966
03:01:45,100 --> 03:01:46,100
becomes almost a Present

3967
03:01:46,100 --> 03:01:48,100
reminder for those individuals

3968
03:01:48,100 --> 03:01:49,100
that are impacted

3969
03:01:49,100 --> 03:01:51,100
by the fires. We certainly felt

3970
03:01:51,100 --> 03:01:53,100
it here in 2017. There was

3971
03:01:53,100 --> 03:01:55,100
movement

3972
03:01:55,100 --> 03:01:56,100
around streamlining permits,

3973
03:01:56,100 --> 03:01:58,100
impact fees. And unfortunately,

3974
03:01:58,100 --> 03:02:00,100
there are those that are

3975
03:02:00,100 --> 03:02:02,100
unhoused or precariously housed

3976
03:02:02,100 --> 03:02:03,100
that have never had the

3977
03:02:03,100 --> 03:02:05,100
opportunity

3978
03:02:05,100 --> 03:02:06,100
to have their homes be lost

3979
03:02:06,100 --> 03:02:08,100
through wildfire,

3980
03:02:08,100 --> 03:02:10,100
that face the same crises

3981
03:02:10,100 --> 03:02:11,100
of housing affordability,

3982
03:02:11,100 --> 03:02:13,100
being able to live

3983
03:02:13,100 --> 03:02:14,100
in the community they work. So

3984
03:02:14,100 --> 03:02:16,100
with that,

3985
03:02:16,100 --> 03:02:17,100
I would just continue

3986
03:02:17,100 --> 03:02:19,100
to encourage the board to be as

3987
03:02:19,100 --> 03:02:20,100
aggressive and as flexible as

3988
03:02:20,100 --> 03:02:22,100
you can to continue

3989
03:02:22,100 --> 03:02:23,100
to move forward. The dichotomy

3990
03:02:23,100 --> 03:02:25,100
that we do

3991
03:02:25,100 --> 03:02:27,100
in fact have a housing crisis

3992
03:02:27,100 --> 03:02:28,100
in this county,

3993
03:02:28,100 --> 03:02:29,100
we need thousands

3994
03:02:29,100 --> 03:02:30,100
of units built,

3995
03:02:30,100 --> 03:02:32,100
we need thousands

3996
03:02:32,100 --> 03:02:33,100
of units moved through,

3997
03:02:33,100 --> 03:02:34,100
not just the entitlement

3998
03:02:34,100 --> 03:02:35,100
process, being able

3999
03:02:35,100 --> 03:02:36,100
to have a shovel

4000
03:02:36,100 --> 03:02:38,100
in the ground. And I do

4001
03:02:38,100 --> 03:02:40,100
appreciate staff's perspective

4002
03:02:40,100 --> 03:02:41,100
that includes that as an

4003
03:02:41,100 --> 03:02:43,100
identifying principle,

4004
03:02:43,100 --> 03:02:45,100
that it's not just

4005
03:02:45,100 --> 03:02:46,100
about getting projects through

4006
03:02:46,100 --> 03:02:47,100
the entitlement pipeline, but

4007
03:02:47,100 --> 03:02:49,100
actually getting them

4008
03:02:49,100 --> 03:02:50,100
constructed and occupied

4009
03:02:50,100 --> 03:02:51,100
by the residents and leave

4010
03:02:51,100 --> 03:02:53,100
to live in them. So I still

4011
03:02:53,100 --> 03:02:54,100
believe that right sizing is

4012
03:02:54,100 --> 03:02:56,100
the right approach. Smaller

4013
03:02:56,100 --> 03:02:57,100
units should pay smaller impact

4014
03:02:57,100 --> 03:02:59,100
fees. I do believe that this is

4015
03:02:59,100 --> 03:03:00,100
a step

4016
03:03:00,100 --> 03:03:02,100
in the right direction. And I

4017
03:03:02,100 --> 03:03:03,100
would encourage you

4018
03:03:03,100 --> 03:03:04,100
to continue to break away those

4019
03:03:04,100 --> 03:03:06,100
barriers that prevent us from

4020
03:03:06,100 --> 03:03:07,100
housing the people that need

4021
03:03:07,100 --> 03:03:08,100
to live in this community.

4022
03:03:08,100 --> 03:03:10,100
Thank you.

4023
03:03:10,100 --> 03:03:11,100
>>Thank you so much, friend.

4024
03:03:11,100 --> 03:03:13,100
Welcome.

4025
03:03:14,100 --> 03:03:16,100
>>Good morning, Chair

4026
03:03:17,100 --> 03:03:19,100
Hopkins, supervisors,

4027
03:03:19,100 --> 03:03:20,100
county executives and staff.

4028
03:03:20,100 --> 03:03:22,100
It was more than a year ago

4029
03:03:22,100 --> 03:03:23,100
when GENH made a public plea

4030
03:03:23,100 --> 03:03:25,100
for common sense impact fee

4031
03:03:25,100 --> 03:03:26,100
reform to ease the persistent

4032
03:03:26,100 --> 03:03:28,100
pipeline paralysis resulting

4033
03:03:28,100 --> 03:03:30,100
from the confluence

4034
03:03:30,100 --> 03:03:32,100
of inflation, interest rate

4035
03:03:32,100 --> 03:03:34,100
hikes, and the general

4036
03:03:34,100 --> 03:03:36,100
unfavorable developer math

4037
03:03:36,100 --> 03:03:38,100
unique to Sonoma County. We

4038
03:03:38,100 --> 03:03:41,100
want to thank the staff,

4039
03:03:41,100 --> 03:03:42,100
in particular Jennifer

4040
03:03:42,100 --> 03:03:44,100
Larocque, for diving

4041
03:03:44,100 --> 03:03:45,100
in and working creatively,

4042
03:03:45,100 --> 03:03:47,100
internally and collaboratively

4043
03:03:47,100 --> 03:03:49,100
with our team to bring back the

4044
03:03:49,100 --> 03:03:50,100
options that have been

4045
03:03:50,100 --> 03:03:51,100
presented to you today. We hope

4046
03:03:51,100 --> 03:03:53,100
that this is the beginning of a

4047
03:03:53,100 --> 03:03:54,100
productive working relationship

4048
03:03:54,100 --> 03:03:56,100
going forward. Staff has

4049
03:03:56,100 --> 03:03:58,401
presented you with three

4050
03:03:59,100 --> 03:04:01,100
program options and recommended

4051
03:04:01,100 --> 03:04:03,100
the mid level reduction

4052
03:04:03,100 --> 03:04:04,100
in impact fees. Impact fee

4053
03:04:04,100 --> 03:04:06,100
reform is a powerful and

4054
03:04:06,100 --> 03:04:08,100
necessary asset in our effort

4055
03:04:08,100 --> 03:04:10,100
to spur the housing production

4056
03:04:10,100 --> 03:04:12,100
we need. And so we are asking

4057
03:04:12,100 --> 03:04:15,100
that you choose the highest

4058
03:04:18,100 --> 03:04:20,100
reduction which would be

4059
03:04:20,100 --> 03:04:22,100
on par with the program voted

4060
03:04:22,100 --> 03:04:24,100
in by the city of Santa Rosa

4061
03:04:24,100 --> 03:04:26,100
in November. Today, we are

4062
03:04:26,100 --> 03:04:28,100
looking forward to you moving

4063
03:04:28,100 --> 03:04:29,100
forward a policy that is a bold

4064
03:04:29,100 --> 03:04:31,100
first step in policy response

4065
03:04:31,100 --> 03:04:33,100
to our housing crisis. Our

4066
03:04:33,100 --> 03:04:36,100
vision of a future where

4067
03:04:36,100 --> 03:04:38,100
everyone has a place

4068
03:04:38,100 --> 03:04:39,100
to call home and the ability

4069
03:04:39,100 --> 03:04:41,100
to engage in and contribute

4070
03:04:41,100 --> 03:04:43,401
to an equitable, healthy,

4071
03:04:44,100 --> 03:04:45,100
prosperous and resilient

4072
03:04:45,100 --> 03:04:47,100
Sonoma county depends on it.

4073
03:04:47,100 --> 03:04:49,100
Thank you.

4074
03:04:49,100 --> 03:04:52,100
>>Thank you. So great. Yeah,

4075
03:04:54,100 --> 03:04:55,100
you can distribute them. Our

4076
03:04:55,100 --> 03:04:56,100
clerk can grab them and then

4077
03:04:56,100 --> 03:04:57,100
share them with us and copy

4078
03:04:57,100 --> 03:04:58,100
them if we need copies made.

4079
03:04:58,100 --> 03:05:00,401
Thank you. Good afternoon.

4080
03:05:03,100 --> 03:05:05,100
>>Good afternoon, Chair

4081
03:05:06,100 --> 03:05:07,100
Hopkins, Supervisors, Staff.

4082
03:05:07,100 --> 03:05:09,100
So what I want to present

4083
03:05:09,100 --> 03:05:11,100
in front of you today is just

4084
03:05:11,100 --> 03:05:13,100
some charts that show really

4085
03:05:13,100 --> 03:05:15,100
just the breadth

4086
03:05:15,100 --> 03:05:17,100
of the housing crisis. You all

4087
03:05:17,100 --> 03:05:19,100
know this information,

4088
03:05:19,100 --> 03:05:20,100
but I just want

4089
03:05:20,100 --> 03:05:21,100
to hammer the point home. This

4090
03:05:21,100 --> 03:05:23,100
first chart I have in front of

4091
03:05:23,100 --> 03:05:24,100
me here shows our housing

4092
03:05:24,100 --> 03:05:26,100
production over the past 40

4093
03:05:26,100 --> 03:05:28,100
years. And it demonstrates that

4094
03:05:28,100 --> 03:05:30,100
after the Great Recession, you

4095
03:05:30,100 --> 03:05:32,100
had a 10 year slowdown. And

4096
03:05:32,100 --> 03:05:34,100
while right now we see a boom

4097
03:05:34,100 --> 03:05:36,100
in housing production,

4098
03:05:36,100 --> 03:05:38,100
when you look at Santa Rosa's

4099
03:05:38,100 --> 03:05:39,100
housing production,

4100
03:05:39,100 --> 03:05:40,100
to really drill down

4101
03:05:40,100 --> 03:05:41,100
into that data,

4102
03:05:41,100 --> 03:05:43,100
we know that a lot

4103
03:05:43,100 --> 03:05:45,100
of that recent boom has been

4104
03:05:45,100 --> 03:05:47,100
due to fire rebuilds. It's been

4105
03:05:47,100 --> 03:05:48,100
due to recent temporary

4106
03:05:48,100 --> 03:05:50,100
disaster relief money. I just

4107
03:05:50,100 --> 03:05:52,100
want to end that. This uptick

4108
03:05:52,100 --> 03:05:54,100
of production that we see here

4109
03:05:54,100 --> 03:05:55,100
still isn't really getting us

4110
03:05:55,100 --> 03:05:57,100
to the historical average

4111
03:05:57,100 --> 03:05:58,100
over the past four years

4112
03:05:58,100 --> 03:06:00,100
of housing production. We're

4113
03:06:00,100 --> 03:06:02,100
still really operating at a

4114
03:06:02,100 --> 03:06:03,100
below average level. That's

4115
03:06:03,100 --> 03:06:06,100
what got us into this crisis.

4116
03:06:06,100 --> 03:06:07,100
Next chart after that,

4117
03:06:07,100 --> 03:06:09,100
it's some information from one

4118
03:06:09,100 --> 03:06:11,100
of your staff reports just

4119
03:06:11,100 --> 03:06:13,100
showing the comparison

4120
03:06:13,100 --> 03:06:14,100
between permits in 2023 and

4121
03:06:14,100 --> 03:06:16,100
2024. You can see a really

4122
03:06:16,100 --> 03:06:17,100
steep decline

4123
03:06:17,100 --> 03:06:19,100
in just that recent period.

4124
03:06:19,100 --> 03:06:21,100
And this is the consequence

4125
03:06:21,100 --> 03:06:22,100
of inflation. This is the

4126
03:06:22,100 --> 03:06:24,401
consequence of high interest

4127
03:06:25,100 --> 03:06:27,100
rates. A really unfavorable

4128
03:06:27,100 --> 03:06:28,100
economic climate for building

4129
03:06:28,100 --> 03:06:29,100
housing just further

4130
03:06:29,100 --> 03:06:31,100
underscores the need

4131
03:06:31,100 --> 03:06:32,100
to take action now

4132
03:06:32,100 --> 03:06:35,100
to do something about that.

4133
03:06:35,100 --> 03:06:37,100
Our fourth chart is just

4134
03:06:37,100 --> 03:06:38,100
another chart that shows the

4135
03:06:38,100 --> 03:06:40,100
lack of production

4136
03:06:40,100 --> 03:06:42,100
in recent years. We're actually

4137
03:06:42,100 --> 03:06:43,100
on pace to produce fewer units

4138
03:06:43,100 --> 03:06:44,100
this decade than we were in the

4139
03:06:44,100 --> 03:06:46,100
decade following the recession.

4140
03:06:46,100 --> 03:06:47,100
And then our last chart is just

4141
03:06:47,100 --> 03:06:48,100
a comparison of Santa Rosa and

4142
03:06:48,100 --> 03:06:50,100
the county

4143
03:06:50,100 --> 03:06:51,100
to other jurisdictions. When

4144
03:06:51,100 --> 03:06:53,100
you keep fire rebuilds

4145
03:06:53,100 --> 03:06:54,100
in our data, it looks like

4146
03:06:54,100 --> 03:06:56,100
we're doing pretty well

4147
03:06:56,100 --> 03:06:57,100
compared

4148
03:06:57,100 --> 03:06:58,100
to similar jurisdictions

4149
03:06:58,100 --> 03:06:59,100
across the state. But when you

4150
03:06:59,100 --> 03:07:00,100
take those fire rebuilds out,

4151
03:07:00,100 --> 03:07:01,100
it really shows that we're

4152
03:07:01,100 --> 03:07:02,100
lagging behind. And so all this

4153
03:07:02,100 --> 03:07:03,100
data is just

4154
03:07:03,100 --> 03:07:05,100
to show the significance of

4155
03:07:05,100 --> 03:07:06,100
this program that you guys are

4156
03:07:06,100 --> 03:07:07,100
considering today. Thank you.

4157
03:07:07,100 --> 03:07:09,100
>>Thank you. Great information.

4158
03:07:09,100 --> 03:07:10,100
Appreciate it. Good afternoon,

4159
03:07:10,100 --> 03:07:12,100
Jen.

4160
03:07:13,100 --> 03:07:15,100
>>Good afternoon. Chair

4161
03:07:15,100 --> 03:07:16,100
Hopkins, Vice Chair Macio.

4162
03:07:16,100 --> 03:07:18,100
Welcome, Supervisors, County

4163
03:07:18,100 --> 03:07:20,401
Executive Rivera and staff.

4164
03:07:21,100 --> 03:07:23,401
Jen, Close Generation Housing

4165
03:07:24,100 --> 03:07:25,100
Ed here to urge you to choose

4166
03:07:25,100 --> 03:07:26,100
the greatest reduction

4167
03:07:26,100 --> 03:07:28,100
presented here because it's

4168
03:07:28,100 --> 03:07:29,100
necessary to move stalled

4169
03:07:29,100 --> 03:07:30,100
projects forward, necessary

4170
03:07:30,100 --> 03:07:32,100
to ensure projects move forward

4171
03:07:32,100 --> 03:07:33,100
with as many use as possible

4172
03:07:33,100 --> 03:07:35,100
to incentivize new units to

4173
03:07:35,100 --> 03:07:36,100
make affordable housing

4174
03:07:36,100 --> 03:07:38,100
production here economically

4175
03:07:39,100 --> 03:07:40,100
feasible and competitive

4176
03:07:40,100 --> 03:07:42,100
with other jurisdictions.

4177
03:07:42,100 --> 03:07:43,100
Because it pays for itself

4178
03:07:43,100 --> 03:07:44,100
through increased property tax

4179
03:07:44,100 --> 03:07:46,100
revenue created by

4180
03:07:46,100 --> 03:07:47,100
reassessments when vacancy

4181
03:07:47,100 --> 03:07:48,100
rates rise,

4182
03:07:48,100 --> 03:07:49,100
supporting movement

4183
03:07:49,100 --> 03:07:51,100
in the housing system through

4184
03:07:51,100 --> 03:07:52,100
increased sales tax revenue,

4185
03:07:52,100 --> 03:07:54,100
through decreased investments

4186
03:07:54,100 --> 03:07:55,100
in managing and mitigating

4187
03:07:55,100 --> 03:07:57,100
homelessness, through greater

4188
03:07:57,100 --> 03:07:58,100
local economic activity created

4189
03:07:58,100 --> 03:07:59,100
by new residents and residents

4190
03:07:59,100 --> 03:08:01,100
with more money

4191
03:08:01,100 --> 03:08:03,100
in their pockets. Because you

4192
03:08:03,100 --> 03:08:04,100
will not find a healthcare

4193
03:08:04,100 --> 03:08:06,100
community needs assessment,

4194
03:08:06,100 --> 03:08:07,100
a climate action plan, a

4195
03:08:07,100 --> 03:08:09,100
community resilience and

4196
03:08:09,100 --> 03:08:10,100
disaster preparedness plan, a

4197
03:08:10,100 --> 03:08:12,100
social justice plans or an

4198
03:08:12,100 --> 03:08:13,100
economic development plan

4199
03:08:13,100 --> 03:08:14,100
without a significant

4200
03:08:14,100 --> 03:08:16,100
affordable housing component.

4201
03:08:16,100 --> 03:08:18,100
We cannot get a handle

4202
03:08:18,100 --> 03:08:20,100
on our if we don't get a handle

4203
03:08:20,100 --> 03:08:21,100
on our housing crisis, we

4204
03:08:21,100 --> 03:08:23,100
simply cannot make meaningful

4205
03:08:23,100 --> 03:08:25,100
progress on any of the other

4206
03:08:25,100 --> 03:08:26,100
community wide goals that we

4207
03:08:26,100 --> 03:08:28,401
share. Finally, in addition

4208
03:08:29,100 --> 03:08:30,100
to going forward with, we hope,

4209
03:08:30,100 --> 03:08:33,100
the greatest reduction, we ask

4210
03:08:33,100 --> 03:08:34,100
that you provide direction

4211
03:08:34,100 --> 03:08:36,100
to staff

4212
03:08:36,100 --> 03:08:38,100
on two additional points. The

4213
03:08:38,100 --> 03:08:39,100
first is please request a NEXUS

4214
03:08:39,100 --> 03:08:41,100
study progress report

4215
03:08:41,100 --> 03:08:43,100
with enough time

4216
03:08:43,100 --> 03:08:44,100
to extend this program in the

4217
03:08:44,100 --> 03:08:46,100
event that that study is

4218
03:08:46,100 --> 03:08:47,100
progressing slowly, as you

4219
03:08:47,100 --> 03:08:49,100
know, sometimes happens. And

4220
03:08:49,100 --> 03:08:51,100
second, please continue diving

4221
03:08:51,100 --> 03:08:52,100
into the issue of fees,

4222
03:08:52,100 --> 03:08:54,100
particularly about right sizing

4223
03:08:54,100 --> 03:08:55,100
wastewater fees, which are

4224
03:08:55,100 --> 03:08:57,100
significant, and how we can

4225
03:08:57,100 --> 03:08:59,100
create a parallel track for

4226
03:08:59,100 --> 03:09:00,100
large projects that ensures

4227
03:09:00,100 --> 03:09:01,000
that they get the same level

4228
03:09:01,000 --> 03:09:02,100
of incentives as provided

4229
03:09:02,100 --> 03:09:03,000
with this program

4230
03:09:03,000 --> 03:09:05,000
without limiting access

4231
03:09:05,100 --> 03:09:06,100
to this program to smaller

4232
03:09:06,100 --> 03:09:08,100
projects that add gentle

4233
03:09:08,100 --> 03:09:10,100
density throughout the county.

4234
03:09:10,100 --> 03:09:11,100
One last thing. According

4235
03:09:11,100 --> 03:09:13,100
to a California Housing

4236
03:09:13,100 --> 03:09:15,100
Partnership model,

4237
03:09:15,100 --> 03:09:16,100
meeting arena goals up to 120

4238
03:09:16,100 --> 03:09:18,100
will provide approximately

4239
03:09:18,100 --> 03:09:19,100
50,000 people

4240
03:09:19,100 --> 03:09:21,100
over the deed housing,

4241
03:09:21,100 --> 03:09:23,100
affordable housing over the

4242
03:09:23,100 --> 03:09:24,100
deed restricted period. So

4243
03:09:24,100 --> 03:09:25,100
let's get these folks keys

4244
03:09:25,100 --> 03:09:27,100
asap. Thank you for your

4245
03:09:27,100 --> 03:09:28,100
leadership.

4246
03:09:28,100 --> 03:09:29,100
>>Thank you very much, Jen.

4247
03:09:29,100 --> 03:09:30,100
Are there any other members

4248
03:09:30,100 --> 03:09:32,100
of the public who wish

4249
03:09:32,100 --> 03:09:33,100
to comment on this item?

4250
03:09:33,100 --> 03:09:34,100
Seeing none,

4251
03:09:34,100 --> 03:09:35,100
it will bring it back

4252
03:09:35,100 --> 03:09:36,100
to my colleagues for questions

4253
03:09:36,100 --> 03:09:37,100
and discussion.

4254
03:09:37,100 --> 03:09:39,100
>>Supervisor Gore thank you

4255
03:09:39,100 --> 03:09:41,100
Chair Hopkins, and I think

4256
03:09:41,100 --> 03:09:42,100
everybody sitting here. I'm

4257
03:09:42,100 --> 03:09:43,100
really interested

4258
03:09:43,100 --> 03:09:45,100
in where my colleagues want

4259
03:09:45,100 --> 03:09:46,100
to go. There's as much as

4260
03:09:46,100 --> 03:09:47,100
there's discussion. I mean

4261
03:09:47,100 --> 03:09:49,100
we've reviewed this ad nauseam

4262
03:09:49,100 --> 03:09:50,100
last year, but it's a pleasure

4263
03:09:50,100 --> 03:09:53,100
to have a new colleague here.

4264
03:09:53,100 --> 03:09:54,100
You know, number one is I think

4265
03:09:54,100 --> 03:09:55,100
acknowledging that this is

4266
03:09:55,100 --> 03:09:56,100
called a fee, but it's really a

4267
03:09:56,100 --> 03:09:59,100
tax. I think another thing

4268
03:09:59,100 --> 03:10:00,100
that's come up, I'll just state

4269
03:10:00,100 --> 03:10:02,100
my opinion is that strongly in

4270
03:10:02,100 --> 03:10:03,100
last year's revisions and what

4271
03:10:03,100 --> 03:10:05,100
we looked at is that we have

4272
03:10:05,100 --> 03:10:06,100
withdrew sales taxes and county

4273
03:10:06,100 --> 03:10:08,100
investments, especially with

4274
03:10:09,100 --> 03:10:11,100
the departments most directly

4275
03:10:11,100 --> 03:10:13,100
impacted partners and

4276
03:10:14,100 --> 03:10:16,100
transportation, public works,

4277
03:10:16,100 --> 03:10:17,100
that is public infrastructure,

4278
03:10:17,100 --> 03:10:18,100
we have drastically increased

4279
03:10:18,100 --> 03:10:20,100
the revenues into those areas.

4280
03:10:20,100 --> 03:10:21,100
I do not think that these

4281
03:10:21,100 --> 03:10:22,100
projects

4282
03:10:22,100 --> 03:10:24,100
in the amount that we're

4283
03:10:24,100 --> 03:10:25,100
talking about that comes back

4284
03:10:25,100 --> 03:10:28,601
to the county in these areas

4285
03:10:29,100 --> 03:10:30,100
should be banked upon

4286
03:10:30,100 --> 03:10:31,100
in the future for the risk

4287
03:10:31,100 --> 03:10:33,100
of another tax on housing. So

4288
03:10:33,100 --> 03:10:34,100
I'm really Interested

4289
03:10:34,100 --> 03:10:36,100
in where my colleagues are

4290
03:10:36,100 --> 03:10:39,100
on that. I think, you know,

4291
03:10:39,100 --> 03:10:41,100
all probably be for the most.

4292
03:10:41,100 --> 03:10:43,100
For the most, in my mind,

4293
03:10:43,100 --> 03:10:45,100
proactive opportunity here. I

4294
03:10:45,100 --> 03:10:47,100
don't really distinguish

4295
03:10:49,100 --> 03:10:52,100
between low income and moderate

4296
03:10:52,100 --> 03:10:55,100
because moderate is not really

4297
03:10:55,100 --> 03:10:57,100
livable here in Sonoma county

4298
03:10:57,100 --> 03:10:59,100
as it is. This idea, you know,

4299
03:10:59,100 --> 03:11:00,100
of all the projects that we

4300
03:11:00,100 --> 03:11:01,100
come

4301
03:11:01,100 --> 03:11:03,100
across that people actually

4302
03:11:03,100 --> 03:11:04,100
have to stay

4303
03:11:04,100 --> 03:11:05,100
in their current jobs

4304
03:11:05,100 --> 03:11:06,100
to not be moved

4305
03:11:06,100 --> 03:11:07,100
into other areas for subsidized

4306
03:11:07,100 --> 03:11:09,100
rates. I know this is

4307
03:11:09,100 --> 03:11:10,100
like a one time fee

4308
03:11:10,100 --> 03:11:12,100
for what it goes into, but I

4309
03:11:12,100 --> 03:11:13,100
just think that this is one of

4310
03:11:13,100 --> 03:11:15,100
many reasons why we're not

4311
03:11:15,100 --> 03:11:17,100
producing the housing that we

4312
03:11:17,100 --> 03:11:18,100
need in this area. And I want

4313
03:11:18,100 --> 03:11:19,100
to thank individuals here and I

4314
03:11:19,100 --> 03:11:20,100
want to thank staff for

4315
03:11:20,100 --> 03:11:21,100
bringing this forward. I think

4316
03:11:21,100 --> 03:11:23,100
the options are great. I would

4317
03:11:23,100 --> 03:11:25,100
approve

4318
03:11:25,100 --> 03:11:26,100
of staff recommendation,

4319
03:11:26,100 --> 03:11:28,100
but I'd like to go further.

4320
03:11:28,100 --> 03:11:30,100
And so I'm looking

4321
03:11:30,100 --> 03:11:32,100
for questions and comments

4322
03:11:32,100 --> 03:11:33,100
from my colleagues as well.

4323
03:11:33,100 --> 03:11:34,100
Thank you.

4324
03:11:34,100 --> 03:11:35,100
>>Thank you very much,

4325
03:11:35,100 --> 03:11:36,100
Supervisor Rabbit,

4326
03:11:36,100 --> 03:11:37,100
>>Thank you very much and I

4327
03:11:37,100 --> 03:11:38,100
appreciate all the comments

4328
03:11:38,100 --> 03:11:39,100
today. And obviously this issue

4329
03:11:39,100 --> 03:11:40,100
is near and dear

4330
03:11:40,100 --> 03:11:41,100
to me as an architect, being

4331
03:11:41,100 --> 03:11:42,100
on both sides of the counter,

4332
03:11:42,100 --> 03:11:43,100
paying and writing some pretty

4333
03:11:43,100 --> 03:11:44,100
significant checks for clients

4334
03:11:44,100 --> 03:11:46,100
over the year, as I know some

4335
03:11:46,100 --> 03:11:47,100
of my colleagues

4336
03:11:47,100 --> 03:11:49,100
in the audience know and trying

4337
03:11:49,100 --> 03:11:50,100
to understand. When I was first

4338
03:11:50,100 --> 03:11:51,100
elected in the city of

4339
03:11:51,100 --> 03:11:52,100
Petaluma, I was running about

4340
03:11:52,100 --> 03:11:54,100
parks and the lack thereof and

4341
03:11:54,100 --> 03:11:55,100
the fact that we had. And

4342
03:11:55,100 --> 03:11:57,100
actually Petaluma has three

4343
03:11:57,100 --> 03:11:59,100
separate park impact fees. Not

4344
03:11:59,100 --> 03:12:01,100
just one, but three. Park

4345
03:12:01,100 --> 03:12:03,100
acquisition, park development,

4346
03:12:03,100 --> 03:12:04,100
then open space, which actually

4347
03:12:04,100 --> 03:12:06,100
was brought forward

4348
03:12:06,100 --> 03:12:08,100
to finance Lucchese up

4349
03:12:08,100 --> 03:12:10,100
on the hill, which is amazing

4350
03:12:10,100 --> 03:12:12,100
to me. Lafferty, I'm sorry.

4351
03:12:12,100 --> 03:12:15,100
Yeah, I said Lucchese, I'm

4352
03:12:16,100 --> 03:12:18,100
sorry. So not only do I support

4353
03:12:18,100 --> 03:12:20,100
reducing the development impact

4354
03:12:20,100 --> 03:12:21,100
fees, actually I can support

4355
03:12:21,100 --> 03:12:22,100
eliminating development impact

4356
03:12:22,100 --> 03:12:24,100
fees entirely until we adopt a

4357
03:12:24,100 --> 03:12:26,100
new nexus study which ties the

4358
03:12:26,100 --> 03:12:28,100
infrastructure impact

4359
03:12:28,100 --> 03:12:30,100
improvements needed as a result

4360
03:12:30,100 --> 03:12:32,100
of the new development being

4361
03:12:32,100 --> 03:12:33,100
proposed. I think, as

4362
03:12:33,100 --> 03:12:35,100
Supervisor Gore just said,

4363
03:12:35,100 --> 03:12:36,100
unfortunately, development

4364
03:12:36,100 --> 03:12:38,100
impact fees have just become a

4365
03:12:38,100 --> 03:12:39,100
revenue line item tax

4366
03:12:39,100 --> 03:12:41,401
on a budget. In.

4367
03:12:42,100 --> 03:12:43,100
In my understanding, and again,

4368
03:12:43,100 --> 03:12:45,100
correct me if I'm wrong,

4369
03:12:45,100 --> 03:12:47,100
anyone, it's supposed to be.

4370
03:12:47,100 --> 03:12:49,100
And I always picture, you know,

4371
03:12:49,100 --> 03:12:51,100
we as a community own all the

4372
03:12:51,100 --> 03:12:52,100
assets. These parks, these

4373
03:12:52,100 --> 03:12:54,100
roads, we're paying for this.

4374
03:12:54,100 --> 03:12:56,100
We've paid our taxes. We pay

4375
03:12:56,100 --> 03:12:57,100
our taxes. You're going

4376
03:12:57,100 --> 03:12:58,100
to come

4377
03:12:58,100 --> 03:13:00,100
in and join our community.

4378
03:13:00,100 --> 03:13:01,100
You're going to have to buy

4379
03:13:01,100 --> 03:13:02,100
into that. And we're going to.

4380
03:13:02,100 --> 03:13:04,100
And we want the same standard.

4381
03:13:04,100 --> 03:13:05,100
And that's why for me,

4382
03:13:05,100 --> 03:13:07,100
we've talked

4383
03:13:07,100 --> 03:13:08,100
about park standards. It's

4384
03:13:08,100 --> 03:13:09,100
important

4385
03:13:09,100 --> 03:13:10,100
to have a park standard. So you

4386
03:13:10,100 --> 03:13:12,100
know what you're charging the

4387
03:13:12,100 --> 03:13:13,100
new people that are coming in.

4388
03:13:13,100 --> 03:13:16,100
My hometown, Petaluma has a

4389
03:13:16,100 --> 03:13:17,100
park standard. I think it's 3

4390
03:13:17,100 --> 03:13:18,100
acres for community parks, 2

4391
03:13:18,100 --> 03:13:20,100
acres per thousand residents,

4392
03:13:20,100 --> 03:13:21,100
3 acres

4393
03:13:21,100 --> 03:13:23,100
for per thousand residents

4394
03:13:23,100 --> 03:13:24,100
for a community park, 2 acres

4395
03:13:24,100 --> 03:13:25,100
per thousand residents

4396
03:13:25,100 --> 03:13:26,100
for a neighborhood park. If

4397
03:13:26,100 --> 03:13:28,100
you're adding a thousand

4398
03:13:28,100 --> 03:13:29,100
people, it's pretty easy. You

4399
03:13:29,100 --> 03:13:31,100
can do the math. Here's what

4400
03:13:31,100 --> 03:13:33,100
you need to add. You can build

4401
03:13:33,100 --> 03:13:34,100
it yourself or, and,

4402
03:13:34,100 --> 03:13:36,100
or you can pay the

4403
03:13:36,100 --> 03:13:37,100
in lieu fees

4404
03:13:37,100 --> 03:13:39,100
on that. I think we need

4405
03:13:39,100 --> 03:13:40,100
to make sure that we get

4406
03:13:40,100 --> 03:13:41,100
to that. That's why I look

4407
03:13:41,100 --> 03:13:43,100
forward to the NEXUS study.

4408
03:13:43,100 --> 03:13:44,100
Truly tying, truly tying the

4409
03:13:44,100 --> 03:13:45,100
impacts that those new

4410
03:13:45,100 --> 03:13:47,100
developments and there are real

4411
03:13:47,100 --> 03:13:48,100
impacts that, you know,

4412
03:13:48,100 --> 03:13:50,100
put a couple thousand units

4413
03:13:50,100 --> 03:13:53,100
at the end of Airport

4414
03:13:53,100 --> 03:13:55,100
Boulevard, there's going

4415
03:13:55,100 --> 03:13:57,100
to be impacts and they need

4416
03:13:57,100 --> 03:13:58,100
to be mitigated accordingly.

4417
03:13:58,100 --> 03:14:00,100
But it shouldn't just go

4418
03:14:00,100 --> 03:14:01,100
into a general fund and be used

4419
03:14:01,100 --> 03:14:03,100
for haphazard projects here and

4420
03:14:03,100 --> 03:14:04,100
there. And I believe that we've

4421
03:14:04,100 --> 03:14:07,100
gone down into that place.

4422
03:14:08,100 --> 03:14:10,100
So, you know,

4423
03:14:10,100 --> 03:14:12,100
my only caveat would be

4424
03:14:12,100 --> 03:14:15,100
to look to the county

4425
03:14:15,100 --> 03:14:17,100
administrator's office and

4426
03:14:17,100 --> 03:14:18,100
understand

4427
03:14:18,100 --> 03:14:20,100
of the fees that we've

4428
03:14:20,100 --> 03:14:22,100
collected to date and through

4429
03:14:22,100 --> 03:14:23,100
this year what have been

4430
03:14:23,100 --> 03:14:25,100
allocated. Because yes, we can

4431
03:14:25,100 --> 03:14:27,100
backfill, but I think

4432
03:14:27,100 --> 03:14:29,100
above and

4433
03:14:29,100 --> 03:14:30,100
beyond that we're backfilling.

4434
03:14:30,100 --> 03:14:31,100
It's just an internal shell

4435
03:14:31,100 --> 03:14:33,100
game of paying for projects

4436
03:14:33,100 --> 03:14:36,100
in a different manner. But if

4437
03:14:36,100 --> 03:14:37,100
we're charging the development

4438
03:14:37,100 --> 03:14:40,100
impact fee, it should really

4439
03:14:40,100 --> 03:14:42,401
mitigate the development as

4440
03:14:43,100 --> 03:14:45,100
it's intended. And I do think,

4441
03:14:45,100 --> 03:14:48,100
and there's been a lot

4442
03:14:49,100 --> 03:14:50,100
of legislation on the trying

4443
03:14:50,100 --> 03:14:52,100
to fix and I've been as part of

4444
03:14:52,100 --> 03:14:54,100
these housing groups that I've

4445
03:14:54,100 --> 03:14:55,100
been on in the region. Every

4446
03:14:55,100 --> 03:14:57,100
time I see Scott Wiener, I will

4447
03:14:57,100 --> 03:14:59,100
tell the senator you need

4448
03:14:59,100 --> 03:15:01,100
to look

4449
03:15:01,100 --> 03:15:02,100
at development impact fees.

4450
03:15:02,100 --> 03:15:04,100
They vary widely. And I think

4451
03:15:04,100 --> 03:15:05,100
I've mentioned this before,

4452
03:15:05,100 --> 03:15:07,100
a single family home and city

4453
03:15:07,100 --> 03:15:09,100
of Sacramento has one

4454
03:15:09,100 --> 03:15:11,100
of the lower impact fees,

4455
03:15:11,100 --> 03:15:13,100
according to the Turner center

4456
03:15:13,100 --> 03:15:15,100
for housing innovation,

4457
03:15:15,100 --> 03:15:16,100
$20,000 and change in Fremont

4458
03:15:16,100 --> 03:15:19,100
of all places. Fremont was

4459
03:15:19,100 --> 03:15:21,100
about 150,000. Why, why would

4460
03:15:21,100 --> 03:15:23,100
one be that and one be the

4461
03:15:23,100 --> 03:15:24,100
other? And actually, you know,

4462
03:15:24,100 --> 03:15:27,100
I would even say in terms

4463
03:15:27,100 --> 03:15:29,100
of fair housing, what's

4464
03:15:29,100 --> 03:15:31,100
Fremont's and not

4465
03:15:31,100 --> 03:15:32,100
to disparage Fremont, you can

4466
03:15:32,100 --> 03:15:34,100
pick any other city,

4467
03:15:34,100 --> 03:15:35,100
Hillsborough, Atherton, you

4468
03:15:35,100 --> 03:15:37,100
name it. The cities that want

4469
03:15:37,100 --> 03:15:38,100
to steer housing

4470
03:15:38,100 --> 03:15:40,100
in a certain direction and. Or

4471
03:15:40,100 --> 03:15:42,100
stop it at all. So I think that

4472
03:15:42,100 --> 03:15:44,100
this discussion is timely.

4473
03:15:44,100 --> 03:15:46,100
It's been timely. It should

4474
03:15:46,100 --> 03:15:48,401
have happened 20 years ago,

4475
03:15:50,100 --> 03:15:52,100
should have happened in 1978

4476
03:15:52,100 --> 03:15:54,100
when or seven when Prop 13 came

4477
03:15:54,100 --> 03:15:55,100
in,

4478
03:15:55,100 --> 03:15:57,401
because they've only started

4479
03:15:58,100 --> 03:15:59,100
since Prop 13 and it's just a

4480
03:15:59,100 --> 03:16:01,100
way to offset the revenue loss

4481
03:16:01,100 --> 03:16:03,100
from Prop 13 initially. So I

4482
03:16:03,100 --> 03:16:05,100
think it's timely. I think that

4483
03:16:05,100 --> 03:16:07,100
we need to make sure that again

4484
03:16:07,100 --> 03:16:09,100
there's been the legislation

4485
03:16:09,100 --> 03:16:11,100
that I talked about, even,

4486
03:16:11,100 --> 03:16:13,100
even the latest legislation,

4487
03:16:13,100 --> 03:16:15,100
square footage based upon that.

4488
03:16:15,100 --> 03:16:17,100
I do think that there's nuances

4489
03:16:17,100 --> 03:16:19,100
to that too though, because

4490
03:16:19,100 --> 03:16:21,100
while I think the market rate

4491
03:16:21,100 --> 03:16:23,100
homes are typically built

4492
03:16:23,100 --> 03:16:25,100
larger with more bedrooms.

4493
03:16:25,100 --> 03:16:26,100
Bedrooms are the cheaper

4494
03:16:26,100 --> 03:16:28,100
building, you know, rooms

4495
03:16:28,100 --> 03:16:30,100
to build on the rental side of

4496
03:16:30,100 --> 03:16:31,100
the market. I don't think that

4497
03:16:31,100 --> 03:16:32,100
we should necessarily forego a

4498
03:16:32,100 --> 03:16:34,100
three bedroom unit because

4499
03:16:34,100 --> 03:16:36,100
there are a lot

4500
03:16:36,100 --> 03:16:37,100
of multi generational families,

4501
03:16:37,100 --> 03:16:39,100
perhaps first generation,

4502
03:16:39,100 --> 03:16:42,100
that would benefit from that.

4503
03:16:42,100 --> 03:16:43,100
And the only way that their

4504
03:16:43,100 --> 03:16:45,100
housing is affordable is

4505
03:16:45,100 --> 03:16:47,100
to have more people

4506
03:16:47,100 --> 03:16:48,100
in the unit,

4507
03:16:48,100 --> 03:16:50,100
not necessarily have more units

4508
03:16:50,100 --> 03:16:52,100
in the building. So there is,

4509
03:16:52,100 --> 03:16:55,100
it's not as cut and dry and I

4510
03:16:55,100 --> 03:16:56,100
think we need

4511
03:16:56,100 --> 03:16:57,100
to make sure we go

4512
03:16:57,100 --> 03:16:59,100
after the type

4513
03:16:59,100 --> 03:17:00,100
of housing that we want. And

4514
03:17:00,100 --> 03:17:01,100
again, I will say this for

4515
03:17:01,100 --> 03:17:03,100
folks here and I had this

4516
03:17:03,100 --> 03:17:04,100
discussion

4517
03:17:04,100 --> 03:17:06,100
with the good executive

4518
03:17:06,100 --> 03:17:07,100
director of GenH. I do wish

4519
03:17:07,100 --> 03:17:09,100
that, you know, our fees,

4520
03:17:09,100 --> 03:17:11,100
Sonoma county really only has

4521
03:17:11,100 --> 03:17:13,100
two fees under the auspices

4522
03:17:13,100 --> 03:17:14,100
of the Mitigation Fee Act,

4523
03:17:14,100 --> 03:17:15,100
Parks and transportation. And

4524
03:17:15,100 --> 03:17:17,100
again, depending

4525
03:17:17,100 --> 03:17:18,100
on what you're building,

4526
03:17:18,100 --> 03:17:20,100
they total about between 12,

4527
03:17:20,100 --> 03:17:21,100
$15,000 thereabouts. It's not a

4528
03:17:21,100 --> 03:17:23,100
lot

4529
03:17:23,100 --> 03:17:24,100
in the big picture as compared

4530
03:17:24,100 --> 03:17:26,100
to other jurisdictions. It's

4531
03:17:26,100 --> 03:17:28,100
probably the lowest

4532
03:17:28,100 --> 03:17:29,100
of any jurisdiction

4533
03:17:29,100 --> 03:17:31,100
in the county to be honest.

4534
03:17:31,100 --> 03:17:33,100
And so I wish, and I can say

4535
03:17:33,100 --> 03:17:34,100
this, I have a family member

4536
03:17:34,100 --> 03:17:36,100
now,

4537
03:17:36,100 --> 03:17:37,100
I'm not financially associated

4538
03:17:37,100 --> 03:17:39,100
with it, that has a multi unit

4539
03:17:39,100 --> 03:17:40,100
building project in the county

4540
03:17:40,100 --> 03:17:42,100
that doesn't pencil out and

4541
03:17:42,100 --> 03:17:43,100
it's not necessarily the impact

4542
03:17:43,100 --> 03:17:44,100
fees that are keeping that

4543
03:17:44,100 --> 03:17:46,100
from being built. I wish, you

4544
03:17:46,100 --> 03:17:48,100
know, and I one could argue

4545
03:17:48,100 --> 03:17:49,100
that every penny counts and it

4546
03:17:49,100 --> 03:17:51,100
does, but this is,

4547
03:17:51,100 --> 03:17:52,100
there are so many other issues.

4548
03:17:52,100 --> 03:17:55,100
But again, I think I just want

4549
03:17:55,100 --> 03:17:56,100
to lay the groundwork that this

4550
03:17:56,100 --> 03:17:58,100
is not going to be the panacea

4551
03:17:58,100 --> 03:18:00,100
that will start construction

4552
03:18:00,100 --> 03:18:01,100
tomorrow. It's not. And again,

4553
03:18:01,100 --> 03:18:03,100
cities where the development

4554
03:18:03,100 --> 03:18:05,100
should occur generally have

4555
03:18:05,100 --> 03:18:07,100
many more categories. There's

4556
03:18:07,100 --> 03:18:09,100
one city in this county that

4557
03:18:09,100 --> 03:18:11,401
has the following categories

4558
03:18:12,100 --> 03:18:14,100
of impact fees. Fire

4559
03:18:14,100 --> 03:18:16,100
suppression impact fee,

4560
03:18:16,100 --> 03:18:18,100
law enforcement impact fee,

4561
03:18:18,100 --> 03:18:19,100
aquatic center impact fee,

4562
03:18:19,100 --> 03:18:21,100
public facilities impact fee,

4563
03:18:21,100 --> 03:18:23,100
traffic impact fee, parkland

4564
03:18:23,100 --> 03:18:24,100
acquisition, parkland

4565
03:18:24,100 --> 03:18:26,100
development, maybe I gave away

4566
03:18:26,100 --> 03:18:27,100
which city. I'm talking about

4567
03:18:27,100 --> 03:18:29,100
open space acquisition fees,

4568
03:18:29,100 --> 03:18:30,100
library facility fees,

4569
03:18:30,100 --> 03:18:31,100
community center fees and

4570
03:18:31,100 --> 03:18:33,100
among others. And that's just

4571
03:18:33,100 --> 03:18:35,100
one. You know,

4572
03:18:35,100 --> 03:18:36,100
over the years, the reason that

4573
03:18:36,100 --> 03:18:38,100
we have a housing crisis is

4574
03:18:38,100 --> 03:18:39,100
that many jurisdictions just

4575
03:18:39,100 --> 03:18:41,100
looked upon the increased

4576
03:18:41,100 --> 03:18:43,100
market that we all either

4577
03:18:43,100 --> 03:18:45,100
benefit or are cursed by and

4578
03:18:45,100 --> 03:18:47,401
kept adding different taxes

4579
03:18:48,100 --> 03:18:50,100
to it. You can't do this in

4580
03:18:50,100 --> 03:18:53,100
Kansas, that Kansas is not

4581
03:18:54,100 --> 03:18:55,100
going to take care of their

4582
03:18:55,100 --> 03:18:57,100
facilities this way because

4583
03:18:57,100 --> 03:18:59,100
you'll never get it because the

4584
03:18:59,100 --> 03:19:00,100
property values are not what

4585
03:19:00,100 --> 03:19:02,100
they are here. So It's a catch

4586
03:19:02,100 --> 03:19:03,100
22. So as for myself,

4587
03:19:03,100 --> 03:19:05,100
I'm certainly supportive

4588
03:19:08,100 --> 03:19:09,100
of going full bore

4589
03:19:09,100 --> 03:19:10,100
on reduction

4590
03:19:10,100 --> 03:19:12,100
for the pilot program until the

4591
03:19:12,100 --> 03:19:13,100
NEXUS study comes in. I do

4592
03:19:13,100 --> 03:19:16,100
would even go further looking

4593
03:19:16,100 --> 03:19:19,100
at what obligated dollars are

4594
03:19:19,100 --> 03:19:21,100
out there because I don't want

4595
03:19:21,100 --> 03:19:22,100
to cut us short.

4596
03:19:22,100 --> 03:19:24,100
But I would encourage both on

4597
03:19:24,100 --> 03:19:25,100
the transportation side and I

4598
03:19:25,100 --> 03:19:27,100
know that some of this is

4599
03:19:27,100 --> 03:19:30,100
general plan. CEQA also place

4600
03:19:30,100 --> 03:19:33,601
projects that need to be built

4601
03:19:35,100 --> 03:19:38,100
for the build out within the

4602
03:19:38,100 --> 03:19:39,100
general plan. I know that

4603
03:19:39,100 --> 03:19:41,100
that's part of it. So I don't

4604
03:19:41,100 --> 03:19:43,100
want

4605
03:19:44,100 --> 03:19:46,100
to go and put put ourselves

4606
03:19:46,100 --> 03:19:47,100
in any liability in that way.

4607
03:19:47,100 --> 03:19:49,100
So I look to staff

4608
03:19:49,100 --> 03:19:50,100
to help us, guide us

4609
03:19:50,100 --> 03:19:52,100
on how best

4610
03:19:52,100 --> 03:19:54,100
to make sure that we don't fall

4611
03:19:54,100 --> 03:19:56,100
off that cliff. But I do look

4612
03:19:56,100 --> 03:19:58,100
for the NEXUS study and I just

4613
03:19:58,100 --> 03:19:59,100
talked

4614
03:19:59,100 --> 03:20:01,100
to the county administrator

4615
03:20:01,100 --> 03:20:03,100
about the how we scope that

4616
03:20:03,100 --> 03:20:05,100
out that we, you know, too many

4617
03:20:05,100 --> 03:20:06,100
nexus studies are numerator

4618
03:20:06,100 --> 03:20:08,100
over denominator and that's

4619
03:20:08,100 --> 03:20:09,100
what it is. And that's why the

4620
03:20:09,100 --> 03:20:11,100
fees range in the range that I

4621
03:20:11,100 --> 03:20:12,100
mentioned before. We need

4622
03:20:12,100 --> 03:20:14,100
to do a much,

4623
03:20:14,100 --> 03:20:15,100
much better job. We need

4624
03:20:15,100 --> 03:20:18,100
to tie it directly to the true

4625
03:20:18,100 --> 03:20:19,100
impacts that the development

4626
03:20:19,100 --> 03:20:22,100
brings and then build that out

4627
03:20:22,100 --> 03:20:24,100
accordingly so that we can all

4628
03:20:24,100 --> 03:20:25,100
enjoy having places

4629
03:20:25,100 --> 03:20:27,100
for our kids

4630
03:20:27,100 --> 03:20:28,100
to live and places

4631
03:20:28,100 --> 03:20:30,100
for the next generation

4632
03:20:30,100 --> 03:20:32,100
to live within the county and

4633
03:20:32,100 --> 03:20:33,100
also contributing to the

4634
03:20:33,100 --> 03:20:35,100
overall infrastructure which

4635
03:20:35,100 --> 03:20:37,100
definitely needs to happen.

4636
03:20:37,100 --> 03:20:38,100
Thank you and I apologize

4637
03:20:38,100 --> 03:20:40,100
for the getting

4638
03:20:40,100 --> 03:20:42,100
on the soapbox.

4639
03:20:43,100 --> 03:20:45,100
>>Thank you. Supervisor

4640
03:20:45,100 --> 03:20:47,100
Corsi.

4641
03:20:47,100 --> 03:20:48,100
>>I want to thank the staff for

4642
03:20:48,100 --> 03:20:51,100
a well researched and thought

4643
03:20:51,100 --> 03:20:53,100
recommendation here. A couple

4644
03:20:53,100 --> 03:20:55,100
of quick questions. You Ms.

4645
03:20:55,100 --> 03:20:58,100
LaRock, you mentioned a couple

4646
03:20:58,100 --> 03:21:00,100
times in your presentation

4647
03:21:00,100 --> 03:21:01,100
about a cap. The cap is the

4648
03:21:01,100 --> 03:21:03,100
$1.5 million, is that correct?

4649
03:21:03,100 --> 03:21:05,100
>>It's a great question because

4650
03:21:05,100 --> 03:21:08,100
there are a couple caps. So

4651
03:21:08,100 --> 03:21:09,100
good

4652
03:21:09,100 --> 03:21:11,100
to provide clarification. Our

4653
03:21:11,100 --> 03:21:12,100
backfill cap would be $1.5

4654
03:21:12,100 --> 03:21:14,100
million. What departments

4655
03:21:14,100 --> 03:21:16,401
collected in fiscal year 2324

4656
03:21:18,100 --> 03:21:20,100
to continue that current level

4657
03:21:20,100 --> 03:21:22,100
of programming and project

4658
03:21:22,100 --> 03:21:24,100
development. The other caps

4659
03:21:24,100 --> 03:21:25,100
that I mentioned are up for

4660
03:21:25,100 --> 03:21:27,401
board discussion today and

4661
03:21:29,100 --> 03:21:30,100
that's how many units we

4662
03:21:30,100 --> 03:21:32,100
include in the program. So you

4663
03:21:32,100 --> 03:21:34,100
know we've got the three

4664
03:21:34,100 --> 03:21:36,100
options with different levels

4665
03:21:36,100 --> 03:21:38,100
of fee reductions

4666
03:21:38,100 --> 03:21:40,100
within each option. The board

4667
03:21:40,100 --> 03:21:42,100
has a choice

4668
03:21:42,100 --> 03:21:44,100
of capping the program

4669
03:21:44,100 --> 03:21:45,100
at either half

4670
03:21:45,100 --> 03:21:46,100
of our RENA obligation. Our

4671
03:21:46,100 --> 03:21:48,100
full RENA obligation or

4672
03:21:48,100 --> 03:21:49,100
essentially not having a cap

4673
03:21:49,100 --> 03:21:50,100
allowing projects that are

4674
03:21:50,100 --> 03:21:52,100
in the current pipeline

4675
03:21:52,100 --> 03:21:53,100
to come through even if we

4676
03:21:53,100 --> 03:21:54,100
exceed our RENA obligation.

4677
03:21:54,100 --> 03:21:57,601
>>So my back of the envelope,

4678
03:21:59,100 --> 03:22:02,601
the number one option, which is

4679
03:22:05,100 --> 03:22:06,100
the one that's being

4680
03:22:06,100 --> 03:22:08,100
recommended by Gen h, it's

4681
03:22:08,100 --> 03:22:11,100
about $10,000 a unit. If we cap

4682
03:22:11,100 --> 03:22:13,401
it at $1.5 million, the

4683
03:22:14,100 --> 03:22:16,100
backfill, that's 150 units. If

4684
03:22:16,100 --> 03:22:19,100
we go to number three,

4685
03:22:23,100 --> 03:22:26,601
which is not a single figure

4686
03:22:28,100 --> 03:22:30,100
but a range, I get about 175

4687
03:22:30,100 --> 03:22:32,401
units for $1.5 million there.

4688
03:22:33,100 --> 03:22:37,100
If we went all the way to our

4689
03:22:37,100 --> 03:22:39,100
RENA obligation or beyond,

4690
03:22:39,100 --> 03:22:40,100
what would the cost? What would

4691
03:22:40,100 --> 03:22:42,100
the loss be?

4692
03:22:47,100 --> 03:22:48,100
>>I appreciate the question

4693
03:22:48,100 --> 03:22:49,100
because it indicates that I

4694
03:22:49,100 --> 03:22:51,100
need to do a little bit more

4695
03:22:51,100 --> 03:22:53,100
explanation here. So I'll start

4696
03:22:53,100 --> 03:22:54,100
by saying that we wouldn't

4697
03:22:54,100 --> 03:22:56,100
necessarily. We would not stop

4698
03:22:56,100 --> 03:22:57,100
providing reductions when we

4699
03:22:57,100 --> 03:22:59,100
hit our backfill cap. We just

4700
03:22:59,100 --> 03:23:01,100
wouldn't provide any more

4701
03:23:01,100 --> 03:23:04,100
backfill two departments. So we

4702
03:23:05,100 --> 03:23:07,100
would be able to extend up to.

4703
03:23:07,100 --> 03:23:10,100
In our. Let me see.

4704
03:23:17,100 --> 03:23:18,100
>>That's why I'm asking here.

4705
03:23:18,100 --> 03:23:19,100
I'm wondering what we're

4706
03:23:19,100 --> 03:23:21,100
committing to.

4707
03:23:21,100 --> 03:23:22,100
>>Yeah. So in option one,

4708
03:23:22,100 --> 03:23:24,100
if we were to go up to half

4709
03:23:24,100 --> 03:23:25,100
of arena cap, we'd be looking

4710
03:23:25,100 --> 03:23:26,100
at about 562 units. And the

4711
03:23:26,100 --> 03:23:27,100
potential total fees

4712
03:23:27,100 --> 03:23:29,100
in that universe would be

4713
03:23:29,100 --> 03:23:31,100
about 5.6 million.

4714
03:23:31,100 --> 03:23:33,100
For full reno, we'd be looking

4715
03:23:33,100 --> 03:23:35,100
at about 953 units for 9.6

4716
03:23:35,100 --> 03:23:37,100
million total universe of

4717
03:23:37,100 --> 03:23:39,100
potential fees that could have

4718
03:23:39,100 --> 03:23:41,100
been collected

4719
03:23:42,100 --> 03:23:44,100
during that time. And then if

4720
03:23:44,100 --> 03:23:46,401
we were to look

4721
03:23:47,100 --> 03:23:49,100
at all the units

4722
03:23:49,100 --> 03:23:51,100
in the affordable pipeline,

4723
03:23:51,100 --> 03:23:52,100
that's about 1900 units and

4724
03:23:52,100 --> 03:23:54,100
would have a total potential

4725
03:23:54,100 --> 03:23:56,100
fee universe of about 19

4726
03:23:56,100 --> 03:23:58,100
million.

4727
03:23:58,100 --> 03:24:00,100
>>And just for clarity,

4728
03:24:00,100 --> 03:24:02,100
that those figures that Ms.

4729
03:24:02,100 --> 03:24:03,100
Larocque provided are

4730
03:24:03,100 --> 03:24:05,100
on slide 4 of your packet.

4731
03:24:05,100 --> 03:24:07,100
>>Correct.

4732
03:24:07,100 --> 03:24:08,100
>>So you could see the three

4733
03:24:08,100 --> 03:24:10,100
options. And then she designed

4734
03:24:10,100 --> 03:24:12,100
it so you could go horizontally

4735
03:24:12,100 --> 03:24:13,100
and look

4736
03:24:13,100 --> 03:24:15,100
at the different variations of

4737
03:24:15,100 --> 03:24:16,100
it.

4738
03:24:16,100 --> 03:24:17,100
>>Thank you.

4739
03:24:17,100 --> 03:24:19,100
>>And I want to echo,

4740
03:24:19,100 --> 03:24:20,100
and you're welcome to project

4741
03:24:20,100 --> 03:24:23,100
it just so that the public gets

4742
03:24:23,100 --> 03:24:25,100
an opportunity to view what

4743
03:24:25,100 --> 03:24:27,100
we're talking about. And again,

4744
03:24:27,100 --> 03:24:30,100
it. I really appreciate the

4745
03:24:30,100 --> 03:24:33,100
exchange here because there's a

4746
03:24:33,100 --> 03:24:34,100
backfill cap, which is the cost

4747
03:24:34,100 --> 03:24:37,100
that we would want the board

4748
03:24:37,100 --> 03:24:39,100
to recognize

4749
03:24:39,100 --> 03:24:41,100
in their decision making. But

4750
03:24:41,100 --> 03:24:44,100
that backfill cap doesn't have

4751
03:24:44,100 --> 03:24:46,100
to translate into the units

4752
03:24:46,100 --> 03:24:48,100
that would be capped. Right.

4753
03:24:48,100 --> 03:24:49,100
Because what we're trying

4754
03:24:49,100 --> 03:24:51,100
to respect from our colleagues

4755
03:24:51,100 --> 03:24:52,100
at Rote and Regional Parks is

4756
03:24:52,100 --> 03:24:55,100
that for a time now,

4757
03:24:55,100 --> 03:24:56,100
they've been operating in

4758
03:24:56,100 --> 03:24:58,100
about a million and a half

4759
03:24:58,100 --> 03:24:59,100
of mitigation planning.

4760
03:24:59,100 --> 03:25:01,100
Anything that would have

4761
03:25:01,100 --> 03:25:02,100
Collected more than that. They

4762
03:25:02,100 --> 03:25:03,100
would probably would have

4763
03:25:03,100 --> 03:25:04,100
to start considering what kind

4764
03:25:04,100 --> 03:25:06,100
of planning would that be. So

4765
03:25:06,100 --> 03:25:07,100
we're not considering that

4766
03:25:07,100 --> 03:25:10,100
for backfill. And the slide is

4767
03:25:10,100 --> 03:25:12,100
up.

4768
03:25:14,100 --> 03:25:15,100
>>Yeah, somehow I missed this

4769
03:25:15,100 --> 03:25:16,100
and it's not in the,

4770
03:25:16,100 --> 03:25:17,100
the presentation that I printed

4771
03:25:17,100 --> 03:25:18,100
out for myself.

4772
03:25:18,100 --> 03:25:20,100
>>So. So.

4773
03:25:27,100 --> 03:25:28,100
>>Okay, this is not. We have a

4774
03:25:28,100 --> 03:25:29,100
number here, but we don't know

4775
03:25:29,100 --> 03:25:32,100
exactly what the full impact is

4776
03:25:32,100 --> 03:25:34,100
that hasn't been analyzed. We

4777
03:25:34,100 --> 03:25:35,100
haven't heard

4778
03:25:35,100 --> 03:25:37,100
from regional parks,

4779
03:25:37,100 --> 03:25:39,100
for example, or

4780
03:25:39,100 --> 03:25:41,100
from public infrastructure

4781
03:25:41,100 --> 03:25:43,100
on what this would mean. And

4782
03:25:43,100 --> 03:25:45,401
I'm a little uncomfortable

4783
03:25:46,100 --> 03:25:48,100
with the size of those figures

4784
03:25:48,100 --> 03:25:50,100
in the full.

4785
03:25:50,100 --> 03:25:52,100
>>Impact is going to be

4786
03:25:52,100 --> 03:25:53,100
something that will forever

4787
03:25:53,100 --> 03:25:54,100
continue to escape us because

4788
03:25:54,100 --> 03:25:57,100
these numbers here assumes all

4789
03:25:57,100 --> 03:25:59,401
these projects are going

4790
03:26:01,100 --> 03:26:03,100
to go through, right? And these

4791
03:26:03,100 --> 03:26:05,100
projects, as you will see

4792
03:26:05,100 --> 03:26:07,100
in the attachment

4793
03:26:07,100 --> 03:26:09,100
of your report, they are

4794
03:26:09,100 --> 03:26:11,100
at various stages. Right. And

4795
03:26:11,100 --> 03:26:13,100
even if they were

4796
03:26:13,100 --> 03:26:15,100
to all be completed,

4797
03:26:15,100 --> 03:26:16,100
they'd probably be completed

4798
03:26:16,100 --> 03:26:17,100
within the next three

4799
03:26:17,100 --> 03:26:19,100
to five years type

4800
03:26:19,100 --> 03:26:20,100
of situation. Right. So I guess

4801
03:26:20,100 --> 03:26:21,100
what I'm trying to have you

4802
03:26:21,100 --> 03:26:23,100
visualize is that the fees

4803
03:26:23,100 --> 03:26:26,601
being reduced are not all going

4804
03:26:28,100 --> 03:26:30,100
to come

4805
03:26:30,100 --> 03:26:31,100
in year one or all going

4806
03:26:31,100 --> 03:26:33,100
to come completely

4807
03:26:33,100 --> 03:26:35,100
between year one and two and

4808
03:26:35,100 --> 03:26:36,100
by the time we get

4809
03:26:36,100 --> 03:26:38,100
to the next study is probable.

4810
03:26:38,100 --> 03:26:40,100
And again, that's the impact

4811
03:26:40,100 --> 03:26:42,100
analysis that escapes us

4812
03:26:42,100 --> 03:26:43,100
because it's all

4813
03:26:43,100 --> 03:26:44,100
about probability now, right.

4814
03:26:44,100 --> 03:26:47,100
By the time we get to the NEXUS

4815
03:26:47,100 --> 03:26:48,100
study and we might establish

4816
03:26:48,100 --> 03:26:50,100
per square footage fees because

4817
03:26:50,100 --> 03:26:53,100
of AB602 or do something

4818
03:26:53,100 --> 03:26:54,100
different as suggested by

4819
03:26:54,100 --> 03:26:55,100
Cher Rabbit, we will be in a

4820
03:26:55,100 --> 03:26:57,100
different world.

4821
03:26:57,100 --> 03:26:58,100
>>Right.

4822
03:26:58,100 --> 03:26:59,100
>>And it's possible that many

4823
03:26:59,100 --> 03:27:02,100
of those units will be in that

4824
03:27:02,100 --> 03:27:04,100
time continuum and not the

4825
03:27:04,100 --> 03:27:06,100
immediate term.

4826
03:27:07,100 --> 03:27:09,100
>>Okay.

4827
03:27:11,100 --> 03:27:13,100
>>In the end, you know,

4828
03:27:13,100 --> 03:27:14,100
I'm not willing to go

4829
03:27:14,100 --> 03:27:15,100
down the road

4830
03:27:15,100 --> 03:27:17,100
of no impact fees

4831
03:27:17,100 --> 03:27:19,100
at all because

4832
03:27:20,100 --> 03:27:21,100
in the end there's an impact to

4833
03:27:21,100 --> 03:27:23,100
the general plan or the general

4834
03:27:23,100 --> 03:27:24,100
general fund. We're starting

4835
03:27:24,100 --> 03:27:26,100
with this $3 million

4836
03:27:26,100 --> 03:27:27,100
over two years,

4837
03:27:27,100 --> 03:27:30,601
but we already have an impact

4838
03:27:31,100 --> 03:27:32,100
to the general fund on the

4839
03:27:32,100 --> 03:27:33,100
roadside where we put extra

4840
03:27:33,100 --> 03:27:34,100
money in every year

4841
03:27:34,100 --> 03:27:35,100
for good reasons.

4842
03:27:35,100 --> 03:27:38,100
But the general fund, the loss

4843
03:27:38,100 --> 03:27:41,601
of income to the general fund

4844
03:27:46,100 --> 03:27:48,100
impacts everyone. And a lot

4845
03:27:48,100 --> 03:27:52,100
of the people who depend on the

4846
03:27:52,100 --> 03:27:53,100
general fund are the same

4847
03:27:53,100 --> 03:27:55,100
people who are trying to help

4848
03:27:55,100 --> 03:27:57,100
with housing, the folks

4849
03:27:57,100 --> 03:27:59,100
with greater needs,

4850
03:28:00,100 --> 03:28:01,100
lower incomes. I'm going

4851
03:28:01,100 --> 03:28:03,100
to just go with my feeling that

4852
03:28:03,100 --> 03:28:06,100
we take option number three

4853
03:28:06,100 --> 03:28:08,100
here because the lower cost

4854
03:28:08,100 --> 03:28:10,401
gives us more bang

4855
03:28:11,100 --> 03:28:14,100
for the buck, more units

4856
03:28:17,100 --> 03:28:18,100
for the effort here. And it

4857
03:28:18,100 --> 03:28:20,401
also includes the size

4858
03:28:22,100 --> 03:28:25,601
of the units which, you know,

4859
03:28:26,100 --> 03:28:28,401
we've been talking about,

4860
03:28:30,100 --> 03:28:33,100
right. Sizing fees. And this is

4861
03:28:33,100 --> 03:28:35,100
the one that does it best

4862
03:28:35,100 --> 03:28:38,100
in my View. Thank you.

4863
03:28:41,100 --> 03:28:42,100
>>Thank you, Vice Chair

4864
03:28:42,100 --> 03:28:44,100
Hermosillo.

4865
03:28:45,100 --> 03:28:47,100
>>Thank you. I think the only

4866
03:28:47,100 --> 03:28:48,100
feedback I have is first,

4867
03:28:48,100 --> 03:28:51,100
thank you for your work

4868
03:28:52,100 --> 03:28:53,100
on this. And it is important

4869
03:28:53,100 --> 03:28:55,100
to right size fees. We know

4870
03:28:55,100 --> 03:28:56,100
that there is a significant

4871
03:28:56,100 --> 03:28:58,100
need of housing

4872
03:28:58,100 --> 03:29:00,100
in the very low, low income.

4873
03:29:00,100 --> 03:29:02,100
But also last year I was

4874
03:29:02,100 --> 03:29:04,100
at a pinning ceremony for fire

4875
03:29:04,100 --> 03:29:05,100
department firefighters and the

4876
03:29:05,100 --> 03:29:08,100
majority of them are coming

4877
03:29:10,100 --> 03:29:12,100
from out of town. One

4878
03:29:12,100 --> 03:29:13,100
firefighter comes from

4879
03:29:13,100 --> 03:29:15,401
Arnold, California to work

4880
03:29:16,100 --> 03:29:18,100
in the Valley. And so we need

4881
03:29:18,100 --> 03:29:19,100
to right size fees

4882
03:29:19,100 --> 03:29:22,601
in all types of housing. So

4883
03:29:24,100 --> 03:29:26,100
thank you,

4884
03:29:27,100 --> 03:29:29,100
>>Supervisor Gore.

4885
03:29:29,100 --> 03:29:31,100
>>Yeah, I appreciate the

4886
03:29:31,100 --> 03:29:33,100
conversation. I think it's a

4887
03:29:33,100 --> 03:29:34,100
really back

4888
03:29:34,100 --> 03:29:36,100
to that slide that you put up.

4889
03:29:36,100 --> 03:29:38,100
You don't have

4890
03:29:38,100 --> 03:29:40,100
to pull it back up again,

4891
03:29:40,100 --> 03:29:42,100
by the way, but back to the

4892
03:29:42,100 --> 03:29:43,100
slide that you pulled up.

4893
03:29:43,100 --> 03:29:44,100
Let's remind ourselves that

4894
03:29:44,100 --> 03:29:47,100
that is all unrealized revenue

4895
03:29:47,100 --> 03:29:49,100
from a tax on future housing

4896
03:29:49,100 --> 03:29:50,100
for which we are not building

4897
03:29:50,100 --> 03:29:52,100
that housing now. So the true

4898
03:29:52,100 --> 03:29:53,100
impact of these impact fees, in

4899
03:29:53,100 --> 03:29:55,100
essence could be less housing

4900
03:29:55,100 --> 03:29:56,100
or is less housing

4901
03:29:56,100 --> 03:29:57,100
like that's what I said before

4902
03:29:57,100 --> 03:29:59,100
in kind

4903
03:30:00,100 --> 03:30:01,100
of a way was if the real impact

4904
03:30:01,100 --> 03:30:03,100
of these impact fees is less

4905
03:30:03,100 --> 03:30:05,100
housing, then we failed, you

4906
03:30:05,100 --> 03:30:06,100
know, the budget to potentially

4907
03:30:06,100 --> 03:30:09,100
manage our existing parks, our

4908
03:30:10,000 --> 03:30:12,100
infrastructure and our other

4909
03:30:12,100 --> 03:30:15,100
things for more people being

4910
03:30:17,100 --> 03:30:19,100
in our unincorporated areas or

4911
03:30:19,100 --> 03:30:22,100
in our cities that use our

4912
03:30:22,100 --> 03:30:24,401
unincorporated areas. I would

4913
03:30:25,100 --> 03:30:27,100
challenge that that analysis

4914
03:30:27,100 --> 03:30:30,100
of what it's not commensurate

4915
03:30:32,100 --> 03:30:34,100
with every single individual

4916
03:30:34,100 --> 03:30:35,100
coming in of how much needs

4917
03:30:35,100 --> 03:30:37,100
to be paid. A lot

4918
03:30:37,100 --> 03:30:38,100
of parks get paid

4919
03:30:38,100 --> 03:30:40,100
to a certain level

4920
03:30:40,100 --> 03:30:41,100
in a standard

4921
03:30:41,100 --> 03:30:43,100
of service and they get built

4922
03:30:43,100 --> 03:30:46,100
out and then people coming

4923
03:30:46,100 --> 03:30:48,100
to those. The investment was

4924
03:30:48,100 --> 03:30:49,100
made by a lot of people

4925
03:30:49,100 --> 03:30:50,100
individually beforehand. So.

4926
03:30:50,100 --> 03:30:52,100
So my thing here is kind

4927
03:30:52,100 --> 03:30:53,100
of back to this point is

4928
03:30:53,100 --> 03:30:54,100
whether no matter where the

4929
03:30:54,100 --> 03:30:56,100
colleagues vote for the levels

4930
03:30:56,100 --> 03:30:58,401
of reduction, I want

4931
03:30:59,100 --> 03:31:00,100
to echo that. The program for

4932
03:31:00,100 --> 03:31:02,100
my druthers should not be

4933
03:31:02,100 --> 03:31:04,100
capped at the amount

4934
03:31:04,100 --> 03:31:06,100
of money that we put into it. I

4935
03:31:06,100 --> 03:31:07,100
would say if we put the $3

4936
03:31:07,100 --> 03:31:08,100
million over two years,

4937
03:31:08,100 --> 03:31:10,100
which seems to be supported

4938
03:31:10,100 --> 03:31:12,100
for backfill,

4939
03:31:12,100 --> 03:31:14,100
that's enough backfill. If the

4940
03:31:14,100 --> 03:31:16,100
program continues

4941
03:31:16,100 --> 03:31:18,100
at that point,

4942
03:31:18,100 --> 03:31:21,100
if we fill up that backfill,

4943
03:31:21,100 --> 03:31:22,100
maybe a way to do it is we

4944
03:31:22,100 --> 03:31:25,601
could request that you all come

4945
03:31:27,100 --> 03:31:29,100
forward and we do an update

4946
03:31:29,100 --> 03:31:31,100
right

4947
03:31:31,100 --> 03:31:33,100
before we just start eating

4948
03:31:33,100 --> 03:31:36,100
into not accepting fees. But I

4949
03:31:36,100 --> 03:31:38,100
would rather not put a

4950
03:31:38,100 --> 03:31:40,100
arbitrary stop the program

4951
03:31:40,100 --> 03:31:42,100
based upon that.

4952
03:31:44,100 --> 03:31:45,100
>>Right.

4953
03:31:45,100 --> 03:31:46,100
>>Just based upon how much

4954
03:31:46,100 --> 03:31:47,100
money we are willing

4955
03:31:47,100 --> 03:31:48,100
to backfill. The irony is that

4956
03:31:48,100 --> 03:31:49,100
as supervisors said on this

4957
03:31:49,100 --> 03:31:52,100
side is that once the nexus fee

4958
03:31:52,100 --> 03:31:53,100
comes back, then we're going

4959
03:31:53,100 --> 03:31:55,100
to have an opportunity

4960
03:31:55,100 --> 03:31:57,100
to see where this is. But I,

4961
03:31:57,100 --> 03:31:59,100
but That's, I think that's a

4962
03:31:59,100 --> 03:32:00,100
different provision. So

4963
03:32:00,100 --> 03:32:02,100
in one degree, I'd like us,

4964
03:32:02,100 --> 03:32:03,100
I'd like to us

4965
03:32:03,100 --> 03:32:04,100
to consider voting

4966
03:32:04,100 --> 03:32:06,100
on the options herein. And then

4967
03:32:06,100 --> 03:32:09,100
on the second side is maybe see

4968
03:32:09,100 --> 03:32:11,100
if the colleagues are

4969
03:32:11,100 --> 03:32:12,100
interested in supporting

4970
03:32:12,100 --> 03:32:14,100
capping the program or not

4971
03:32:14,100 --> 03:32:16,100
capping the program based upon

4972
03:32:16,100 --> 03:32:17,100
the dollars. I'd love

4973
03:32:17,100 --> 03:32:19,100
to see what the demand is

4974
03:32:19,100 --> 03:32:21,100
out there, personally. Thank

4975
03:32:21,100 --> 03:32:23,100
you.

4976
03:32:23,100 --> 03:32:24,100
>>And so just for

4977
03:32:24,100 --> 03:32:25,100
clarification, my understanding

4978
03:32:25,100 --> 03:32:26,100
was that we are essentially

4979
03:32:26,100 --> 03:32:28,100
backfilling our departments at

4980
03:32:28,100 --> 03:32:30,100
a level that has been actually,

4981
03:32:30,100 --> 03:32:32,100
that's a relatively high year

4982
03:32:32,100 --> 03:32:34,100
that we chose. So they will be

4983
03:32:34,100 --> 03:32:35,100
kept whole, but the program

4984
03:32:35,100 --> 03:32:36,100
could still continue, right,

4985
03:32:36,100 --> 03:32:39,100
to that sort of a set amount

4986
03:32:39,100 --> 03:32:40,100
that can be drawn

4987
03:32:40,100 --> 03:32:42,100
down and then we can continue

4988
03:32:42,100 --> 03:32:44,100
to waive the fees and just

4989
03:32:44,100 --> 03:32:46,100
simply not collect them and not

4990
03:32:46,100 --> 03:32:47,100
add to the departments. Is that

4991
03:32:47,100 --> 03:32:48,100
correct?

4992
03:32:48,100 --> 03:32:49,100
>>Bingo.

4993
03:32:49,100 --> 03:32:50,100
>>Correct.

4994
03:32:50,100 --> 03:32:51,100
>>It is correct. And I don't

4995
03:32:51,100 --> 03:32:52,100
want the audience and the board

4996
03:32:52,100 --> 03:32:53,100
to recognize that what we have

4997
03:32:53,100 --> 03:32:55,100
framed

4998
03:32:55,100 --> 03:32:57,100
for you is a two year program.

4999
03:32:57,100 --> 03:33:00,100
That, that it's in place for

5000
03:33:00,100 --> 03:33:02,100
two years or when the nexus

5001
03:33:02,100 --> 03:33:03,100
study comes, whichever comes

5002
03:33:03,100 --> 03:33:04,100
earlier.

5003
03:33:04,100 --> 03:33:06,100
>>Well put.

5004
03:33:06,100 --> 03:33:07,100
>>Because again, you,

5005
03:33:07,100 --> 03:33:08,100
you've asked staff

5006
03:33:08,100 --> 03:33:09,100
to do the work

5007
03:33:09,100 --> 03:33:11,100
of the nexus study. As

5008
03:33:11,100 --> 03:33:12,100
Supervisor Rabbit said to.

5009
03:33:12,100 --> 03:33:14,100
This is intended to be an exist

5010
03:33:14,100 --> 03:33:15,100
study that really analyzes

5011
03:33:15,100 --> 03:33:16,100
impacts from development and

5012
03:33:16,100 --> 03:33:18,100
you'll have then a more

5013
03:33:18,100 --> 03:33:19,100
detailed information for what

5014
03:33:19,100 --> 03:33:21,100
would happen once this ends.

5015
03:33:21,100 --> 03:33:23,100
>>Right.

5016
03:33:23,100 --> 03:33:24,100
>>And we're trying to

5017
03:33:24,100 --> 03:33:25,100
synchronize them to be. At the

5018
03:33:25,100 --> 03:33:26,100
same time.

5019
03:33:26,100 --> 03:33:29,100
>>I'm just going to keep my

5020
03:33:29,100 --> 03:33:30,100
remarks really brief and then

5021
03:33:30,100 --> 03:33:32,100
go over to my colleague who's

5022
03:33:32,100 --> 03:33:33,100
leaning in. I support parks. I

5023
03:33:33,100 --> 03:33:35,401
support, you know, traffic

5024
03:33:36,100 --> 03:33:37,100
mitigation and improvements

5025
03:33:37,100 --> 03:33:39,100
in our public infrastructure.

5026
03:33:39,100 --> 03:33:40,100
And I support, and I think that

5027
03:33:40,100 --> 03:33:41,100
what is beautiful is that no

5028
03:33:41,100 --> 03:33:43,100
matter what option we choose

5029
03:33:43,100 --> 03:33:44,100
today, staff has come forward

5030
03:33:44,100 --> 03:33:45,100
with solutions that keep our

5031
03:33:45,100 --> 03:33:47,100
departments whole while also

5032
03:33:47,100 --> 03:33:48,100
allowing us

5033
03:33:48,100 --> 03:33:49,100
to incentivize the development

5034
03:33:49,100 --> 03:33:50,100
of affordable housing. So I

5035
03:33:50,100 --> 03:33:51,100
just want to say thank you

5036
03:33:51,100 --> 03:33:52,100
to staff. I look forward to

5037
03:33:52,100 --> 03:33:53,100
seeing where we have a

5038
03:33:53,100 --> 03:33:55,100
majority. I want

5039
03:33:55,100 --> 03:33:56,100
to acknowledge my colleague,

5040
03:33:56,100 --> 03:33:57,100
Supervisor Abbott, you're

5041
03:33:57,100 --> 03:34:00,100
leaning in for a comment. And

5042
03:34:00,100 --> 03:34:01,100
then we can also, I mean, we

5043
03:34:01,100 --> 03:34:02,100
can either take a straw poll or

5044
03:34:02,100 --> 03:34:03,100
we can just. I heard a couple,

5045
03:34:03,100 --> 03:34:04,100
I think on option one,

5046
03:34:04,100 --> 03:34:05,100
if someone wants

5047
03:34:05,100 --> 03:34:06,100
to make a motion, we can see

5048
03:34:06,100 --> 03:34:08,100
where the votes fall.

5049
03:34:08,100 --> 03:34:09,100
>>I was just going to say

5050
03:34:09,100 --> 03:34:10,100
for myself,

5051
03:34:10,100 --> 03:34:11,100
and I think this has been true

5052
03:34:11,100 --> 03:34:12,100
over the course of many, many

5053
03:34:12,100 --> 03:34:14,100
years, if you believe there is

5054
03:34:14,100 --> 03:34:15,100
a housing crisis and that

5055
03:34:15,100 --> 03:34:17,100
crisis can be addressed or

5056
03:34:17,100 --> 03:34:18,100
mitigated by lowering these two

5057
03:34:18,100 --> 03:34:20,100
development impact fees. And

5058
03:34:20,100 --> 03:34:21,100
again, I was honest. And

5059
03:34:21,100 --> 03:34:22,100
whether or not this will make

5060
03:34:22,100 --> 03:34:24,100
the huge difference

5061
03:34:24,100 --> 03:34:26,100
in the world to be seen.

5062
03:34:26,100 --> 03:34:28,100
But also remember,

5063
03:34:28,100 --> 03:34:30,100
it never was intended

5064
03:34:30,100 --> 03:34:34,100
to be a hit to the general fund

5065
03:34:34,100 --> 03:34:36,100
because these aren't

5066
03:34:37,100 --> 03:34:39,100
necessarily while they're

5067
03:34:39,100 --> 03:34:40,100
in the general fund,

5068
03:34:40,100 --> 03:34:42,100
they're dedicated dollars

5069
03:34:42,100 --> 03:34:44,100
to mitigate the impact

5070
03:34:44,100 --> 03:34:45,100
of the development. All the

5071
03:34:45,100 --> 03:34:46,100
projects on that list have not

5072
03:34:46,100 --> 03:34:47,100
been built. There are no

5073
03:34:47,100 --> 03:34:49,100
impacts until they are built.

5074
03:34:49,100 --> 03:34:51,100
And again it goes to the

5075
03:34:51,100 --> 03:34:52,100
problem that we have that we

5076
03:34:52,100 --> 03:34:54,100
have a line item attacks that

5077
03:34:54,100 --> 03:34:56,100
we've been putting into

5078
03:34:56,100 --> 03:34:58,100
projects that aren't

5079
03:34:58,100 --> 03:35:00,100
necessarily always related

5080
03:35:00,100 --> 03:35:01,100
to the development. And I think

5081
03:35:01,100 --> 03:35:03,100
that to me that's why this is

5082
03:35:03,100 --> 03:35:05,100
different. And we could

5083
03:35:05,100 --> 03:35:07,100
prioritize infrastructure

5084
03:35:07,100 --> 03:35:09,100
projects. And I think all the

5085
03:35:09,100 --> 03:35:11,100
projects that parks have done

5086
03:35:11,100 --> 03:35:12,100
over the years are wonderful

5087
03:35:12,100 --> 03:35:15,100
and great. And I think the

5088
03:35:15,100 --> 03:35:17,100
projects that have been

5089
03:35:17,100 --> 03:35:18,100
identified through

5090
03:35:18,100 --> 03:35:19,100
transportation are wonderful

5091
03:35:19,100 --> 03:35:21,100
and great. We can certainly

5092
03:35:21,100 --> 03:35:23,100
always identify those and

5093
03:35:23,100 --> 03:35:24,100
prioritize those and go through

5094
03:35:24,100 --> 03:35:25,100
our general fund dollars and

5095
03:35:25,100 --> 03:35:27,401
act accordingly. But again,

5096
03:35:28,100 --> 03:35:29,100
I go back to the intent

5097
03:35:29,100 --> 03:35:31,100
of development impact fees were

5098
03:35:31,100 --> 03:35:32,100
to mitigate impact of

5099
03:35:32,100 --> 03:35:33,100
development identified. I also

5100
03:35:33,100 --> 03:35:36,601
am a big fan of development

5101
03:35:43,100 --> 03:35:45,100
agreements where you can mix

5102
03:35:45,100 --> 03:35:46,100
and match and really go

5103
03:35:46,100 --> 03:35:48,100
above and

5104
03:35:48,100 --> 03:35:49,100
beyond and maybe shift to all

5105
03:35:49,100 --> 03:35:51,100
parks if there's not a

5106
03:35:51,100 --> 03:35:53,100
transportation impact and those

5107
03:35:53,100 --> 03:35:55,100
kind of things. And I think

5108
03:35:55,100 --> 03:35:56,100
that we should be creative as

5109
03:35:56,100 --> 03:35:58,100
we do that. But again,

5110
03:35:58,100 --> 03:36:00,100
if there's a. If this helps

5111
03:36:00,100 --> 03:36:02,100
spur housing,

5112
03:36:02,100 --> 03:36:03,100
let's spur housing. And again

5113
03:36:03,100 --> 03:36:05,100
I. The caveat is that I don't

5114
03:36:05,100 --> 03:36:06,100
want to have a hole

5115
03:36:06,100 --> 03:36:07,100
in the existing budget with

5116
03:36:07,100 --> 03:36:08,100
monies that have been

5117
03:36:08,100 --> 03:36:10,100
appropriated,

5118
03:36:10,100 --> 03:36:12,100
but not necessarily coming out.

5119
03:36:12,100 --> 03:36:14,100
But I look forward to the nexus

5120
03:36:14,100 --> 03:36:15,100
study.

5121
03:36:15,100 --> 03:36:17,401
>>Thank you. Supervisor Gore.

5122
03:36:18,100 --> 03:36:21,100
>>It would be appropriate to

5123
03:36:21,100 --> 03:36:25,201
put a motion. I move that we

5124
03:36:26,100 --> 03:36:29,100
boldly select item number one

5125
03:36:31,100 --> 03:36:33,100
which is reduce parks and

5126
03:36:33,100 --> 03:36:35,100
traffic fees by 100%. That

5127
03:36:35,100 --> 03:36:37,100
average reduction is 10,144 per

5128
03:36:37,100 --> 03:36:39,401
unit. Furthermore, I request

5129
03:36:40,100 --> 03:36:43,601
that we bring back maybe six

5130
03:36:45,100 --> 03:36:48,100
months or during budget. It

5131
03:36:50,100 --> 03:36:51,100
could be a consent calendar

5132
03:36:51,100 --> 03:36:53,100
item or an update

5133
03:36:53,100 --> 03:36:56,100
on the nexus fee study.

5134
03:36:56,100 --> 03:36:58,100
However you all determine when

5135
03:36:58,100 --> 03:36:59,100
is an appropriate time in

5136
03:36:59,100 --> 03:37:01,100
between now and 12 to 18 months

5137
03:37:01,100 --> 03:37:03,100
from now so that we don't blink

5138
03:37:03,100 --> 03:37:06,100
this away. So I'm requesting

5139
03:37:06,100 --> 03:37:08,100
maybe a six month update. Have

5140
03:37:08,100 --> 03:37:10,100
we allocated, do we have the

5141
03:37:10,100 --> 03:37:12,100
how much allocation towards

5142
03:37:12,100 --> 03:37:14,401
that 3 million dollar backfill?

5143
03:37:16,100 --> 03:37:17,100
Are we at. So we're not just

5144
03:37:17,100 --> 03:37:19,100
disappearing

5145
03:37:19,100 --> 03:37:21,100
into that. I think

5146
03:37:21,100 --> 03:37:22,100
at that time we could talk

5147
03:37:22,100 --> 03:37:23,100
about if further policy

5148
03:37:23,100 --> 03:37:25,401
discussions because I'm still

5149
03:37:26,100 --> 03:37:27,100
very interested in existing and

5150
03:37:27,100 --> 03:37:29,100
future law which is

5151
03:37:29,100 --> 03:37:31,100
around sewers, water hookups

5152
03:37:31,100 --> 03:37:33,401
which are very expensive.

5153
03:37:35,100 --> 03:37:37,100
But I have been told

5154
03:37:37,100 --> 03:37:40,100
by county staff are not allowed

5155
03:37:40,100 --> 03:37:42,100
for us to move forward

5156
03:37:42,100 --> 03:37:44,100
under the current,

5157
03:37:44,100 --> 03:37:45,100
these current proposals. Is

5158
03:37:45,100 --> 03:37:47,100
that correct?

5159
03:37:48,100 --> 03:37:50,100
>>The county Council's

5160
03:37:50,100 --> 03:37:52,100
perspective is that we would be

5161
03:37:52,100 --> 03:37:54,100
required

5162
03:37:54,100 --> 03:37:55,100
to backfill any reduction to

5163
03:37:55,100 --> 03:37:56,100
the sanitation connection

5164
03:37:56,100 --> 03:37:58,100
district. That fee with county

5165
03:37:58,100 --> 03:38:00,100
general fund required.

5166
03:38:01,100 --> 03:38:02,100
>>We couldn't just. And once

5167
03:38:02,100 --> 03:38:05,100
again, I'm interested. So some

5168
03:38:06,100 --> 03:38:08,100
of that I'm getting lost

5169
03:38:08,100 --> 03:38:10,100
in my motion. So I had a motion

5170
03:38:10,100 --> 03:38:11,100
on the table which was to

5171
03:38:11,100 --> 03:38:13,100
approve item number one and

5172
03:38:13,100 --> 03:38:14,100
then have a program update six

5173
03:38:14,100 --> 03:38:16,100
months

5174
03:38:16,100 --> 03:38:17,100
from now or appropriately

5175
03:38:17,100 --> 03:38:18,100
during budget. And then I feel

5176
03:38:18,100 --> 03:38:20,100
like at that time we would

5177
03:38:20,100 --> 03:38:21,100
discuss these other items. I'll

5178
03:38:21,100 --> 03:38:23,100
leave that there

5179
03:38:23,100 --> 03:38:24,100
through the chair.

5180
03:38:24,100 --> 03:38:25,100
>>A point

5181
03:38:25,100 --> 03:38:27,100
of clarification.

5182
03:38:27,100 --> 03:38:28,100
>>So under item one,

5183
03:38:28,100 --> 03:38:29,100
if we could.

5184
03:38:29,100 --> 03:38:31,100
>>Go back to the slide, there

5185
03:38:31,100 --> 03:38:33,100
are three sub options.

5186
03:38:33,100 --> 03:38:34,100
>>Basically. Do we want to cap

5187
03:38:34,100 --> 03:38:36,100
the number.

5188
03:38:36,100 --> 03:38:37,100
>>Of units that this applies

5189
03:38:37,100 --> 03:38:38,100
to, to half of our arena,

5190
03:38:38,100 --> 03:38:40,100
the full arena,

5191
03:38:40,100 --> 03:38:41,100
or the entire pipeline of

5192
03:38:41,100 --> 03:38:43,100
affordable projects currently?

5193
03:38:43,100 --> 03:38:45,100
>>And so those three options

5194
03:38:45,100 --> 03:38:46,100
are laid.

5195
03:38:46,100 --> 03:38:48,401
>>Out on that slide.

5196
03:38:50,100 --> 03:38:52,100
>>I apologize. Thank you. The

5197
03:38:52,100 --> 03:38:53,100
entire 1C affordable pipeline.

5198
03:38:53,100 --> 03:38:55,100
>>Got it.

5199
03:38:56,100 --> 03:38:59,601
>>And do we have a second

5200
03:39:00,100 --> 03:39:02,100
for that motion? There is a

5201
03:39:02,100 --> 03:39:03,100
motion and a second from

5202
03:39:03,100 --> 03:39:05,100
Supervisor Rabbit. We will take

5203
03:39:05,100 --> 03:39:06,100
a roll call vote on this one.

5204
03:39:06,100 --> 03:39:08,100
And before we do,

5205
03:39:08,100 --> 03:39:09,100
I just want to.

5206
03:39:09,100 --> 03:39:10,100
To say thank you so much. I. I

5207
03:39:10,100 --> 03:39:11,100
neglected to do this earlier

5208
03:39:11,100 --> 03:39:12,100
to members of the public who

5209
03:39:12,100 --> 03:39:13,100
provided such thoughtful,

5210
03:39:13,100 --> 03:39:14,100
compelling testimony. And I

5211
03:39:14,100 --> 03:39:16,100
always appreciate testimony

5212
03:39:16,100 --> 03:39:17,100
that comes with data,

5213
03:39:17,100 --> 03:39:19,100
so thank you for that, too.

5214
03:39:19,100 --> 03:39:20,100
But thank you

5215
03:39:20,100 --> 03:39:21,100
for being here today and

5216
03:39:21,100 --> 03:39:22,100
for participating

5217
03:39:22,100 --> 03:39:23,100
in that process. Marcy, unless

5218
03:39:23,100 --> 03:39:24,100
there are any other comments.

5219
03:39:24,100 --> 03:39:25,100
Going once, going twice.

5220
03:39:25,100 --> 03:39:27,100
Great. Call it. Oh, wait. Damn

5221
03:39:27,100 --> 03:39:28,100
it. I was not fast enough.

5222
03:39:28,100 --> 03:39:30,100
Supervisor.

5223
03:39:30,100 --> 03:39:31,100
>>Buzzer beater.

5224
03:39:31,100 --> 03:39:32,100
>>I just think, as we. And I

5225
03:39:32,100 --> 03:39:34,100
appreciate Supervisor Gore's

5226
03:39:34,100 --> 03:39:35,100
comment, I just think as we go

5227
03:39:35,100 --> 03:39:37,100
forward, a food for thought.

5228
03:39:37,100 --> 03:39:38,100
You know, I think what happens

5229
03:39:38,100 --> 03:39:39,100
with especially the utility

5230
03:39:39,100 --> 03:39:41,100
connection fees is the last.

5231
03:39:41,100 --> 03:39:43,100
It's like this room is the last

5232
03:39:43,100 --> 03:39:44,100
person in the room. Did that

5233
03:39:44,100 --> 03:39:46,100
last. Last person make it

5234
03:39:46,100 --> 03:39:48,100
crowded or did the first. If

5235
03:39:48,100 --> 03:39:49,100
you're in traffic, is it the

5236
03:39:49,100 --> 03:39:50,100
first car that makes the

5237
03:39:50,100 --> 03:39:52,100
congestion or is it the last?

5238
03:39:52,100 --> 03:39:54,100
We have this habit

5239
03:39:54,100 --> 03:39:55,100
of charging that last person.

5240
03:39:55,100 --> 03:39:56,100
You know, I would say

5241
03:39:56,100 --> 03:39:59,100
at least 80% or 90% or more

5242
03:39:59,100 --> 03:40:02,100
of mitigation and not taking

5243
03:40:02,100 --> 03:40:04,100
into account the cumulative

5244
03:40:04,100 --> 03:40:06,100
effect. And I think that those

5245
03:40:06,100 --> 03:40:08,100
fees, in my opinion,

5246
03:40:08,100 --> 03:40:09,100
really fall that way and need

5247
03:40:09,100 --> 03:40:10,100
to be looked at.

5248
03:40:10,100 --> 03:40:12,100
>>All right. I think now anyone

5249
03:40:12,100 --> 03:40:15,100
else going one's going with.

5250
03:40:15,100 --> 03:40:17,100
Great. Marcy.

5251
03:40:17,100 --> 03:40:19,100
>>[ ROLL CALL ]

5252
03:40:32,100 --> 03:40:33,100
>>And that does carry

5253
03:40:33,100 --> 03:40:34,100
unanimously. So thank you all

5254
03:40:34,100 --> 03:40:35,100
so much for being here.

5255
03:40:35,100 --> 03:40:36,100
>>And for clarification,

5256
03:40:36,100 --> 03:40:37,100
this item will come back to the

5257
03:40:37,100 --> 03:40:38,100
board as a resolution to. So we

5258
03:40:38,100 --> 03:40:40,100
can mechanize this. Thank you.

5259
03:40:40,100 --> 03:40:41,100
>>Thank you very much. And also

5260
03:40:41,100 --> 03:40:43,100
thank you

5261
03:40:44,100 --> 03:40:45,100
to everyone who has been

5262
03:40:45,100 --> 03:40:46,100
waiting for comments

5263
03:40:46,100 --> 03:40:48,100
on matters not listed

5264
03:40:48,100 --> 03:40:49,100
on the agenda. We are just

5265
03:40:49,100 --> 03:40:50,100
going to take a brief 10 minute

5266
03:40:50,100 --> 03:40:52,100
bio break and then we will come

5267
03:40:52,100 --> 03:40:54,100
back for the public comment

5268
03:40:54,100 --> 03:40:55,100
on matters not on the agenda.

5269
03:40:55,100 --> 03:40:57,100
[ RECESS ]

5270
03:48:52,000 --> 03:48:53,100
>>And with that, thank you all

5271
03:48:53,100 --> 03:48:54,100
for your patience. We will be

5272
03:48:54,100 --> 03:48:55,100
taking public comment

5273
03:48:55,100 --> 03:48:56,100
on matters not listed on the

5274
03:48:56,100 --> 03:48:58,100
agenda and you will have two

5275
03:48:58,100 --> 03:48:59,100
minutes to make your public

5276
03:48:59,100 --> 03:49:01,100
comment welcome.

5277
03:49:01,100 --> 03:49:04,601
>>It surprised you today when I

5278
03:49:05,100 --> 03:49:08,100
said today or excuse me,

5279
03:49:08,100 --> 03:49:09,100
today I said that February 22nd

5280
03:49:09,100 --> 03:49:10,100
is George Washington's

5281
03:49:10,100 --> 03:49:12,100
birthday. A lot

5282
03:49:12,100 --> 03:49:13,100
of folks don't even think

5283
03:49:13,100 --> 03:49:15,100
about that anymore. Used to be

5284
03:49:15,100 --> 03:49:18,100
a holiday when I was a

5285
03:49:18,100 --> 03:49:20,100
youngster. So keep this

5286
03:49:20,100 --> 03:49:22,401
in mind about George

5287
03:49:23,100 --> 03:49:24,100
Washington. Born 1732, died

5288
03:49:24,100 --> 03:49:25,100
1799, 225 years ago. Important

5289
03:49:25,100 --> 03:49:27,100
things have happened

5290
03:49:27,100 --> 03:49:28,100
since obviously, but he was the

5291
03:49:28,100 --> 03:49:30,100
guy that was the first

5292
03:49:30,100 --> 03:49:31,100
commander in chief of the

5293
03:49:31,100 --> 03:49:33,100
Continental Army. They were

5294
03:49:33,100 --> 03:49:35,100
called the Patriots forces and

5295
03:49:35,100 --> 03:49:38,100
also the British called them

5296
03:49:39,100 --> 03:49:40,100
rebels and revolutionaries. So

5297
03:49:40,100 --> 03:49:43,100
what's really important is that

5298
03:49:43,100 --> 03:49:44,100
he implemented a strong, well

5299
03:49:44,100 --> 03:49:46,100
financed national government at

5300
03:49:46,100 --> 03:49:48,100
the time and he set the

5301
03:49:48,100 --> 03:49:50,401
precedents for not just

5302
03:49:51,100 --> 03:49:53,401
Republicanism in our nation,

5303
03:49:54,100 --> 03:49:57,100
but a peaceful transfer of

5304
03:49:57,100 --> 03:50:00,100
power and the two term

5305
03:50:00,100 --> 03:50:02,100
traditional. These are very

5306
03:50:02,100 --> 03:50:03,100
important things to have. And

5307
03:50:03,100 --> 03:50:05,100
in his farewell address he

5308
03:50:05,100 --> 03:50:06,100
pointed out that we had to have

5309
03:50:06,100 --> 03:50:08,401
national unity and avoid

5310
03:50:09,100 --> 03:50:11,401
regionalism. Well, this is

5311
03:50:12,100 --> 03:50:13,100
important right now because

5312
03:50:13,100 --> 03:50:14,100
of what's happening at the

5313
03:50:14,100 --> 03:50:16,100
federal level. I hope you had a

5314
03:50:16,100 --> 03:50:17,100
chance to see the news article

5315
03:50:17,100 --> 03:50:19,100
about Jack Smith's article

5316
03:50:19,100 --> 03:50:21,100
being his report partially

5317
03:50:21,100 --> 03:50:23,100
allowed out into the public.

5318
03:50:23,100 --> 03:50:25,100
You should really read what was

5319
03:50:25,100 --> 03:50:28,100
put in there. It's very

5320
03:50:28,100 --> 03:50:29,100
important. And I brought

5321
03:50:29,100 --> 03:50:31,100
something else too. This is a

5322
03:50:31,100 --> 03:50:32,100
book about becoming a US

5323
03:50:32,100 --> 03:50:35,601
citizen. I can bet you that

5324
03:50:39,100 --> 03:50:40,100
almost all Native American.

5325
03:50:40,100 --> 03:50:42,100
I'll rephrase that. Americans

5326
03:50:42,100 --> 03:50:43,100
born here in the United States

5327
03:50:43,100 --> 03:50:44,100
may not know how to become an

5328
03:50:44,100 --> 03:50:46,100
American citizen. This is a

5329
03:50:46,100 --> 03:50:48,100
very difficult book, full

5330
03:50:48,100 --> 03:50:49,100
of difficult questions

5331
03:50:49,100 --> 03:50:52,100
about being an American. So I'm

5332
03:50:52,100 --> 03:50:53,100
one of those guys that wants to

5333
03:50:53,100 --> 03:50:54,100
be a full service citizen. I

5334
03:50:54,100 --> 03:50:56,100
try to do my best

5335
03:50:56,100 --> 03:50:59,100
within the limitations of the

5336
03:50:59,100 --> 03:51:01,100
way our governmental system

5337
03:51:01,100 --> 03:51:02,100
works. I hope you'll understand

5338
03:51:02,100 --> 03:51:04,100
that I'm a firm believer in

5339
03:51:04,100 --> 03:51:05,100
having more citizens and I'm

5340
03:51:05,100 --> 03:51:07,100
going

5341
03:51:07,100 --> 03:51:08,100
to be the best one I can.

5342
03:51:08,100 --> 03:51:09,100
Thank you.

5343
03:51:09,100 --> 03:51:10,100
>>Some time Put yourself

5344
03:51:10,100 --> 03:51:11,100
to sleep.

5345
03:51:11,100 --> 03:51:13,401
>>Appreciate it. Thank you.

5346
03:51:14,100 --> 03:51:15,100
>>Good afternoon.

5347
03:51:15,100 --> 03:51:17,100
>>Good afternoon, Madam Chair

5348
03:51:17,100 --> 03:51:19,100
members. Welcome to the Vice

5349
03:51:19,100 --> 03:51:21,100
Chair. My name is Katherine

5350
03:51:21,100 --> 03:51:25,100
Dodd. I live in WikiUp and I

5351
03:51:25,100 --> 03:51:27,100
just had a disappointing chat

5352
03:51:27,100 --> 03:51:29,401
with Supervisor Gore briefly

5353
03:51:30,100 --> 03:51:33,100
about the casino and how

5354
03:51:33,100 --> 03:51:35,100
Important it is to negotiate

5355
03:51:35,100 --> 03:51:37,100
fire safety and road safety

5356
03:51:37,100 --> 03:51:40,100
in the WikiUp MarkWest area

5357
03:51:41,100 --> 03:51:42,100
where the highway patrol is

5358
03:51:42,100 --> 03:51:44,100
responsible

5359
03:51:44,100 --> 03:51:46,100
for traffic control. So I'm

5360
03:51:46,100 --> 03:51:47,100
hoping that there'll be robust

5361
03:51:47,100 --> 03:51:48,100
public hearings on that. But

5362
03:51:48,100 --> 03:51:49,100
I'm here today as an

5363
03:51:49,100 --> 03:51:50,100
environmental health

5364
03:51:50,100 --> 03:51:52,100
specialist. I'm a retired

5365
03:51:52,100 --> 03:51:53,100
public health nurse and I've

5366
03:51:53,100 --> 03:51:54,100
done environmental policy

5367
03:51:54,100 --> 03:51:56,100
for several years. The

5368
03:51:56,100 --> 03:51:57,100
information I'm presenting is

5369
03:51:57,100 --> 03:51:58,100
from UMass Loyal Toxics

5370
03:51:58,100 --> 03:51:59,100
Reduction Institute called

5371
03:51:59,100 --> 03:52:01,100
TURI. It's a report from 2018

5372
03:52:01,100 --> 03:52:02,100
and for more recently the

5373
03:52:02,100 --> 03:52:03,100
Santa Clara County Medical

5374
03:52:03,100 --> 03:52:05,100
Society. All of us want to be

5375
03:52:05,100 --> 03:52:07,100
in healthy environments

5376
03:52:07,100 --> 03:52:08,100
for work and play. And we

5377
03:52:08,100 --> 03:52:09,100
expect our public spaces, we

5378
03:52:09,100 --> 03:52:11,100
expect our elected officials

5379
03:52:11,100 --> 03:52:12,100
are ensuring that there are no

5380
03:52:12,100 --> 03:52:14,100
poisonous dangers.

5381
03:52:14,100 --> 03:52:16,100
Specifically, concerns exist

5382
03:52:16,100 --> 03:52:17,100
for children who are uniquely

5383
03:52:17,100 --> 03:52:19,100
vulnerable to the effects of

5384
03:52:19,100 --> 03:52:20,100
toxic chemicals because their

5385
03:52:20,100 --> 03:52:22,100
organ systems aren't developed.

5386
03:52:22,100 --> 03:52:23,100
They breathe more air and

5387
03:52:23,100 --> 03:52:26,100
faster and per body unit they

5388
03:52:26,100 --> 03:52:28,100
absorb more toxins.

5389
03:52:28,100 --> 03:52:30,100
For these reasons, it's

5390
03:52:30,100 --> 03:52:32,100
particularly disappointing that

5391
03:52:32,100 --> 03:52:34,100
you approved an expenditure

5392
03:52:34,100 --> 03:52:37,100
of almost a million dollars

5393
03:52:37,100 --> 03:52:38,100
on poisonous plastic grass in

5394
03:52:38,100 --> 03:52:40,100
December which I just learned

5395
03:52:40,100 --> 03:52:41,100
about. I don't follow the

5396
03:52:41,100 --> 03:52:43,100
agendas that carefully.

5397
03:52:43,100 --> 03:52:45,401
Plastic grass has over 16,000

5398
03:52:47,100 --> 03:52:49,100
chemicals that only 4,000

5399
03:52:49,100 --> 03:52:51,100
of which have ever been tested

5400
03:52:51,100 --> 03:52:54,100
for safety. Artificial turf. I

5401
03:52:54,100 --> 03:52:56,100
will come every week if I have

5402
03:52:56,100 --> 03:52:58,100
to do an education on

5403
03:52:58,100 --> 03:52:59,100
artificial turf and how

5404
03:52:59,100 --> 03:53:01,100
dangerous it is. PFAS

5405
03:53:01,100 --> 03:53:03,100
in particular. But the fills

5406
03:53:03,100 --> 03:53:05,100
that they're proposing are are

5407
03:53:05,100 --> 03:53:07,100
held together with plasticizers

5408
03:53:07,100 --> 03:53:08,100
that have phthalates in them

5409
03:53:08,100 --> 03:53:10,100
that are endocrine disruptors.

5410
03:53:10,100 --> 03:53:12,100
They're causing premature

5411
03:53:12,100 --> 03:53:14,100
development of young girls and

5412
03:53:14,100 --> 03:53:16,100
infertility amongst young boys.

5413
03:53:16,100 --> 03:53:19,100
>>But I do want you

5414
03:53:19,100 --> 03:53:22,100
to know that that will be

5415
03:53:22,100 --> 03:53:23,100
on our calendar

5416
03:53:23,100 --> 03:53:25,100
for later this year

5417
03:53:25,100 --> 03:53:27,100
to discuss. And so we haven't

5418
03:53:27,100 --> 03:53:29,401
yet published the calendar

5419
03:53:30,100 --> 03:53:31,100
of some even items. But there

5420
03:53:31,100 --> 03:53:33,100
was direction the artificial

5421
03:53:33,100 --> 03:53:34,100
turf issue as well as also

5422
03:53:34,100 --> 03:53:36,100
artificial or a policy going

5423
03:53:36,100 --> 03:53:37,100
forward. So thank you very

5424
03:53:37,100 --> 03:53:39,100
much.

5425
03:53:39,100 --> 03:53:40,100
>>Thanks. You'll hear more. Is

5426
03:53:40,100 --> 03:53:42,100
it two minutes?

5427
03:53:42,100 --> 03:53:45,100
>>It's two minutes. Yes. Hello

5428
03:53:52,100 --> 03:53:53,100
again.

5429
03:53:53,100 --> 03:53:54,100
>>Hi.

5430
03:53:54,100 --> 03:53:55,100
>>Good afternoon. Thank you

5431
03:53:55,100 --> 03:53:56,100
for appointing me to the

5432
03:53:56,100 --> 03:53:57,100
Local Integrated Waste

5433
03:53:57,100 --> 03:53:58,100
Management Task force. I'm here

5434
03:53:58,100 --> 03:53:59,100
today to talk

5435
03:53:59,100 --> 03:54:01,100
about contamination. Toxic

5436
03:54:01,100 --> 03:54:03,100
pollution that's being shredded

5437
03:54:03,100 --> 03:54:04,100
up and distributed all

5438
03:54:04,100 --> 03:54:06,100
across our county land. We live

5439
03:54:06,100 --> 03:54:08,100
in one big watershed. I want

5440
03:54:08,100 --> 03:54:11,601
to thank you for your support

5441
03:54:12,100 --> 03:54:14,100
for measure J

5442
03:54:14,100 --> 03:54:15,100
in our agricultural industry.

5443
03:54:15,100 --> 03:54:17,100
Critically important.

5444
03:54:17,100 --> 03:54:20,100
But we have another Oh gosh.

5445
03:54:20,100 --> 03:54:22,401
Critically important also is

5446
03:54:25,100 --> 03:54:27,401
the financial and environmental

5447
03:54:30,100 --> 03:54:31,100
risks of artificial turf

5448
03:54:31,100 --> 03:54:33,100
for our ag economy. And this is

5449
03:54:33,100 --> 03:54:35,100
preventable if we stop

5450
03:54:35,100 --> 03:54:37,100
distributing shredded toxic

5451
03:54:38,100 --> 03:54:40,100
forever chemicals across our

5452
03:54:40,100 --> 03:54:42,100
land which kills the soil and

5453
03:54:42,100 --> 03:54:44,100
eliminates carbon sequestration

5454
03:54:44,100 --> 03:54:45,100
capacity. Artificial turf may

5455
03:54:45,100 --> 03:54:47,100
seem convenient but it carries

5456
03:54:47,100 --> 03:54:49,100
long term consequences. The

5457
03:54:49,100 --> 03:54:50,100
Forever chemicals. They are

5458
03:54:50,100 --> 03:54:53,601
such an issue that they are

5459
03:54:55,100 --> 03:54:57,100
shutting

5460
03:54:57,100 --> 03:54:58,100
down farms and ranchers

5461
03:54:58,100 --> 03:55:00,100
across the country. Please

5462
03:55:00,100 --> 03:55:02,100
notice these articles when they

5463
03:55:02,100 --> 03:55:04,100
come up across your newspapers

5464
03:55:04,100 --> 03:55:05,100
in Maine, where milk was deemed

5465
03:55:05,100 --> 03:55:07,100
unsafe,

5466
03:55:07,100 --> 03:55:09,100
farms are being shut down. In

5467
03:55:09,100 --> 03:55:12,100
Texas, the PFAS runoff from

5468
03:55:12,100 --> 03:55:14,100
adjacent farms is getting onto

5469
03:55:14,100 --> 03:55:15,100
other farms and causing

5470
03:55:15,100 --> 03:55:17,401
livestock deaths and destroying

5471
03:55:18,100 --> 03:55:20,100
those businesses. Supervisor

5472
03:55:21,100 --> 03:55:23,100
Hopkins, you cited at the

5473
03:55:23,100 --> 03:55:25,100
Measure J kickoff that we have

5474
03:55:25,100 --> 03:55:26,100
the best butter here,

5475
03:55:26,100 --> 03:55:29,100
organic butter. What a disaster

5476
03:55:29,100 --> 03:55:30,100
it will be if we contaminate

5477
03:55:30,100 --> 03:55:32,100
the well water, which the

5478
03:55:32,100 --> 03:55:34,100
Farm Bureau is shutting

5479
03:55:34,100 --> 03:55:36,100
down wells in Southern

5480
03:55:36,100 --> 03:55:37,100
California due to forever

5481
03:55:37,100 --> 03:55:39,100
chemical contamination. We

5482
03:55:39,100 --> 03:55:40,100
gotta get ahead of this risk.

5483
03:55:40,100 --> 03:55:42,100
And protect our ag economy.

5484
03:55:42,100 --> 03:55:44,100
Thank you.

5485
03:55:45,100 --> 03:55:47,100
>>Thank you very much. Good

5486
03:55:47,100 --> 03:55:49,100
afternoon.

5487
03:55:49,100 --> 03:55:50,100
>>Good afternoon. Please don't

5488
03:55:50,100 --> 03:55:51,100
stop start the clock yet. I

5489
03:55:51,100 --> 03:55:52,100
just want

5490
03:55:52,100 --> 03:55:53,100
to mention how detrimental

5491
03:55:53,100 --> 03:55:54,100
to public comment it is

5492
03:55:54,100 --> 03:55:56,100
for the time to be delayed

5493
03:55:56,100 --> 03:55:57,100
by two hours. And I've been

5494
03:55:57,100 --> 03:55:59,100
here before. But consider that

5495
03:55:59,100 --> 03:56:01,100
it's not enough time

5496
03:56:01,100 --> 03:56:02,100
for you guys

5497
03:56:02,100 --> 03:56:04,100
to express any comments now.

5498
03:56:04,100 --> 03:56:06,100
And this is part

5499
03:56:06,100 --> 03:56:08,100
of public comment, so we have

5500
03:56:08,100 --> 03:56:11,100
to start the clock. Thank you.

5501
03:56:11,100 --> 03:56:13,100
>>Okay, I want to say. Sonoma

5502
03:56:13,100 --> 03:56:15,100
County Agricultural

5503
03:56:16,100 --> 03:56:18,401
Preservation and Open Space

5504
03:56:20,100 --> 03:56:21,100
District December 10, 2024.

5505
03:56:21,100 --> 03:56:22,100
U. K. Almost a million dollars

5506
03:56:22,100 --> 03:56:23,100
to put plastic grass in

5507
03:56:23,100 --> 03:56:24,100
Shopland Park. It wasn't well

5508
03:56:24,100 --> 03:56:25,100
publicized. It was

5509
03:56:25,100 --> 03:56:27,100
surreptitiously included in

5510
03:56:27,100 --> 03:56:29,100
your meeting that day. I can't

5511
03:56:29,100 --> 03:56:31,100
even find it in the agenda,

5512
03:56:31,100 --> 03:56:32,100
but I did watch the tape. I

5513
03:56:32,100 --> 03:56:35,100
went to watch the video

5514
03:56:35,100 --> 03:56:38,100
for a minute. I'd like

5515
03:56:38,100 --> 03:56:41,100
to quote David Robinson, the

5516
03:56:42,100 --> 03:56:43,100
park manager from Sonoma

5517
03:56:43,100 --> 03:56:45,100
County Regional Parks, who

5518
03:56:45,100 --> 03:56:47,100
said,

5519
03:56:47,100 --> 03:56:48,100
for the past five years, we've

5520
03:56:48,100 --> 03:56:50,401
been watching climate change

5521
03:56:51,100 --> 03:56:53,100
unfold in Sonoma county before

5522
03:56:53,100 --> 03:56:56,100
our very eyes. I began

5523
03:56:57,100 --> 03:56:59,100
thinking, why isn't addressing

5524
03:56:59,100 --> 03:57:00,100
climate change one

5525
03:57:00,100 --> 03:57:01,100
of the top priorities

5526
03:57:01,100 --> 03:57:02,100
at regional parks? How do we

5527
03:57:02,100 --> 03:57:03,100
get everybody, field staff,

5528
03:57:03,100 --> 03:57:04,100
visitors,

5529
03:57:04,100 --> 03:57:05,100
park managers involved

5530
03:57:05,100 --> 03:57:06,100
in making a difference?

5531
03:57:06,100 --> 03:57:07,100
That's David Robinson of

5532
03:57:07,100 --> 03:57:08,100
Regional Parks. I came here

5533
03:57:08,100 --> 03:57:09,100
today to tell you

5534
03:57:09,100 --> 03:57:10,100
about my capitulation, my

5535
03:57:10,100 --> 03:57:11,100
quitting, okay? You guys

5536
03:57:11,100 --> 03:57:12,100
decided to put this stuff in

5537
03:57:12,100 --> 03:57:13,100
Shoflin Park. You could have

5538
03:57:13,100 --> 03:57:14,100
stopped it. You didn't. I've

5539
03:57:14,100 --> 03:57:16,100
been losing sleep over this.

5540
03:57:16,100 --> 03:57:17,100
I'm not losing sleep anymore

5541
03:57:17,100 --> 03:57:19,100
because I'm giving up

5542
03:57:19,100 --> 03:57:21,100
on that particular issue. Not

5543
03:57:21,100 --> 03:57:22,100
on the issue of plastic grass

5544
03:57:22,100 --> 03:57:23,100
on public lands in Sonoma

5545
03:57:23,100 --> 03:57:25,100
County. But you beat me,

5546
03:57:25,100 --> 03:57:27,100
okay? So that's what I'm here

5547
03:57:27,100 --> 03:57:29,100
to publicly declare. I wish the

5548
03:57:29,100 --> 03:57:30,100
newspaper was still here.

5549
03:57:30,100 --> 03:57:32,100
They're not. I wish the

5550
03:57:32,100 --> 03:57:34,100
audience was still here.

5551
03:57:34,100 --> 03:57:35,100
They're not. You're stifling

5552
03:57:35,100 --> 03:57:37,100
public comment. That's all I

5553
03:57:37,100 --> 03:57:40,100
have to say. You're doing a lot

5554
03:57:40,100 --> 03:57:43,100
of good things, too. Sorry

5555
03:57:43,100 --> 03:57:44,100
about that. Thank you and

5556
03:57:44,100 --> 03:57:46,100
again, this will be agendized

5557
03:57:46,100 --> 03:57:47,100
at some point

5558
03:57:47,100 --> 03:57:48,100
for our discussion, which means

5559
03:57:48,100 --> 03:57:49,100
that we could actually respond

5560
03:57:49,100 --> 03:57:50,100
to you later in the year. And

5561
03:57:50,100 --> 03:57:52,100
we expect the calendar

5562
03:57:52,100 --> 03:57:53,100
of significant items

5563
03:57:53,100 --> 03:57:54,100
to be brought before the board

5564
03:57:54,100 --> 03:57:56,100
to vote and adopt sometime in

5565
03:57:56,100 --> 03:57:57,100
February. Is that correct?

5566
03:57:57,100 --> 03:57:58,100
Yes. All right,

5567
03:57:58,100 --> 03:58:00,100
thank you and apologies

5568
03:58:00,100 --> 03:58:02,100
for the lateness.

5569
03:58:02,100 --> 03:58:03,100
With that we are going

5570
03:58:03,100 --> 03:58:04,100
to adjourn

5571
03:58:04,100 --> 03:58:05,100
into closed session. We will be

5572
03:58:05,100 --> 03:58:06,100
back to report out

5573
03:58:06,100 --> 03:58:08,100
on closed session. Or do you

5574
03:58:08,100 --> 03:58:09,100
have other report outs you want

5575
03:58:09,100 --> 03:58:10,100
to do? I said the calendar has

5576
03:58:10,100 --> 03:58:11,100
it or the agenda has it listed

5577
03:58:11,100 --> 03:58:12,100
that will report out

5578
03:58:12,100 --> 03:58:13,100
on the 28th. I can do the

5579
03:58:13,100 --> 03:58:14,100
report out if we want

5580
03:58:14,100 --> 03:58:16,100
to come back out. Otherwise I

5581
03:58:16,100 --> 03:58:17,100
would suggest that the board do

5582
03:58:17,100 --> 03:58:19,100
its disclosures report outs now

5583
03:58:19,100 --> 03:58:21,401
and then we'll go

5584
03:58:23,100 --> 03:58:25,100
into closed session and.

5585
03:58:25,100 --> 03:58:26,100
Report

5586
03:58:26,100 --> 03:58:27,100
out next time.

5587
03:58:27,100 --> 03:58:28,100
>>Okay. All right, so you want

5588
03:58:28,100 --> 03:58:30,100
to stick with the 28th. Okay.

5589
03:58:30,100 --> 03:58:31,100
So we'll report out

5590
03:58:31,100 --> 03:58:32,100
on closed session

5591
03:58:32,100 --> 03:58:35,100
on the 28th, but we can report

5592
03:58:35,100 --> 03:58:38,601
on meetings. Is that the next

5593
03:58:45,100 --> 03:58:46,100
schedule? Okay. The report

5594
03:58:46,100 --> 03:58:47,100
out will be at the next

5595
03:58:47,100 --> 03:58:48,100
scheduled meeting which is

5596
03:58:48,100 --> 03:58:49,100
January 28th

5597
03:58:49,100 --> 03:58:50,100
for closed session. Okay. And

5598
03:58:50,100 --> 03:58:51,100
with that, anyone want

5599
03:58:51,100 --> 03:58:52,100
to report on their meeting?

5600
03:58:52,100 --> 03:58:53,100
Supervisor Rabbit?

5601
03:58:53,100 --> 03:58:54,100
>>Yeah. Last Thursday 9

5602
03:58:54,100 --> 03:58:57,601
January I did chair the state

5603
03:58:58,100 --> 03:58:59,100
seismic safety commission up

5604
03:58:59,100 --> 03:59:01,100
in Sacramento where a couple of

5605
03:59:01,100 --> 03:59:02,100
the actions taken I remained as

5606
03:59:02,100 --> 03:59:04,100
chair. There's a long

5607
03:59:04,100 --> 03:59:05,100
discussion on fire

5608
03:59:05,100 --> 03:59:06,100
after earthquake especially

5609
03:59:06,100 --> 03:59:07,100
in light of what was happening

5610
03:59:07,100 --> 03:59:09,100
in the south land. There's a UC

5611
03:59:09,100 --> 03:59:11,100
Berkeley Pierce research that's

5612
03:59:11,100 --> 03:59:12,100
going to be taking place

5613
03:59:12,100 --> 03:59:14,100
although we're working

5614
03:59:14,100 --> 03:59:15,100
on the scope

5615
03:59:15,100 --> 03:59:17,100
of that conflagrations

5616
03:59:17,100 --> 03:59:19,100
like wildfire. Less the winds

5617
03:59:19,100 --> 03:59:20,000
but multiple ignition sources.

5618
03:59:20,000 --> 03:59:21,100
So just as dangerous Update

5619
03:59:21,100 --> 03:59:22,100
on the shake table that

5620
03:59:22,100 --> 03:59:24,100
with the 10 story building that

5621
03:59:24,100 --> 03:59:26,100
we're going to shake apart.

5622
03:59:26,100 --> 03:59:29,100
Down in San Diego There was a

5623
03:59:29,100 --> 03:59:30,100
7.0 earthquake in late

5624
03:59:30,100 --> 03:59:32,100
December at what's called the

5625
03:59:32,100 --> 03:59:34,100
Mendocino triple junction

5626
03:59:34,100 --> 03:59:36,100
off the coast of Rio Del where

5627
03:59:36,100 --> 03:59:38,401
the Cascadian fault begins

5628
03:59:39,100 --> 03:59:42,100
going north. The San Andreas

5629
03:59:42,100 --> 03:59:44,100
fault ends from the south and

5630
03:59:44,100 --> 03:59:46,100
another fault that

5631
03:59:47,100 --> 03:59:49,100
perpendicular off of there. So

5632
03:59:49,100 --> 03:59:51,100
very active. And I do want

5633
03:59:51,100 --> 03:59:52,100
to make note of this because I

5634
03:59:52,100 --> 03:59:54,100
think it's really interesting

5635
03:59:54,100 --> 03:59:56,100
if you have the Myshake app. I

5636
03:59:56,100 --> 03:59:58,100
did not know this. I probably

5637
03:59:58,100 --> 03:59:59,100
should have. There's been $3.8

5638
03:59:59,100 --> 04:00:01,100
million 8 million downloads.

5639
04:00:03,100 --> 04:00:04,100
One in 20 phones have this app.

5640
04:00:04,100 --> 04:00:06,100
It's actually owned and

5641
04:00:06,100 --> 04:00:07,100
operated by Cal oes which is a

5642
04:00:07,100 --> 04:00:08,100
good thing because I'll tell

5643
04:00:08,100 --> 04:00:09,100
you that it has an

5644
04:00:09,100 --> 04:00:11,100
accelerometer within the app.

5645
04:00:11,100 --> 04:00:13,100
So if you leave that app

5646
04:00:13,100 --> 04:00:15,100
on your bedside table,

5647
04:00:15,100 --> 04:00:18,100
it'll report back the frequency

5648
04:00:18,100 --> 04:00:21,100
of the building. And there's a

5649
04:00:21,100 --> 04:00:22,100
research program that we just

5650
04:00:22,100 --> 04:00:23,100
invested in last week that will

5651
04:00:23,100 --> 04:00:25,100
use that app

5652
04:00:26,100 --> 04:00:28,100
in all the buildings around to

5653
04:00:28,100 --> 04:00:29,100
identify damage post earthquake

5654
04:00:29,100 --> 04:00:31,401
because the frequency changes

5655
04:00:32,100 --> 04:00:34,100
when the earthquake occurs and

5656
04:00:34,100 --> 04:00:36,100
it is supposed to rebound back

5657
04:00:36,100 --> 04:00:38,100
to what it was prior.

5658
04:00:38,100 --> 04:00:40,100
But it won't because it may be

5659
04:00:40,100 --> 04:00:41,100
an indication of damage and

5660
04:00:41,100 --> 04:00:42,100
by the percentage of frequency

5661
04:00:42,100 --> 04:00:44,100
change or rebound will indicate

5662
04:00:44,100 --> 04:00:47,100
whether or not the building has

5663
04:00:47,100 --> 04:00:49,401
significant damage. Which I

5664
04:00:51,100 --> 04:00:52,100
think is pretty interesting.

5665
04:00:52,100 --> 04:00:53,100
You could imagine after a huge

5666
04:00:53,100 --> 04:00:56,100
earthquake that that could be a

5667
04:00:56,100 --> 04:00:58,100
real quick indicator of initial

5668
04:00:58,100 --> 04:01:01,100
damage and then allow identify

5669
04:01:01,100 --> 04:01:03,100
places for engineers to go

5670
04:01:03,100 --> 04:01:05,100
in and to make sure that the

5671
04:01:05,100 --> 04:01:06,100
building is safe. So I just

5672
04:01:06,100 --> 04:01:08,401
thought that was really

5673
04:01:09,100 --> 04:01:11,401
interesting. There's one that

5674
04:01:13,100 --> 04:01:14,100
had a. It was 3.25 Hz pre

5675
04:01:14,100 --> 04:01:16,401
quake, 2.42 during the quake

5676
04:01:17,100 --> 04:01:19,100
which is again as you expected

5677
04:01:19,100 --> 04:01:20,100
because it's a softening of the

5678
04:01:20,100 --> 04:01:22,100
building and then it bounced

5679
04:01:22,100 --> 04:01:24,100
back to 3.17 lower than what it

5680
04:01:24,100 --> 04:01:27,100
was before. Now you'd have

5681
04:01:27,100 --> 04:01:28,100
to look

5682
04:01:28,100 --> 04:01:30,100
at that individual building to

5683
04:01:30,100 --> 04:01:31,100
see what the frequencies

5684
04:01:31,100 --> 04:01:32,100
they're starting off with the

5685
04:01:32,100 --> 04:01:33,100
high rises because they move

5686
04:01:33,100 --> 04:01:34,100
more but they could also do it

5687
04:01:34,100 --> 04:01:35,100
for lower,

5688
04:01:35,100 --> 04:01:36,100
lower buildings as well. So I

5689
04:01:36,100 --> 04:01:37,100
thought I'd mention that

5690
04:01:37,100 --> 04:01:38,100
because I found that pretty

5691
04:01:38,100 --> 04:01:39,100
interesting. The good thing

5692
04:01:39,100 --> 04:01:40,100
that it's owned by Cal OES is

5693
04:01:40,100 --> 04:01:42,100
that immediately afterwards you

5694
04:01:42,100 --> 04:01:43,100
won't get advertisements

5695
04:01:43,100 --> 04:01:44,100
from structural engineers,

5696
04:01:44,100 --> 04:01:46,100
engineers and or you know, your

5697
04:01:46,100 --> 04:01:47,100
insurance companies as what I

5698
04:01:47,100 --> 04:01:49,100
would imagine if it was

5699
04:01:49,100 --> 04:01:50,100
privately held.

5700
04:01:50,100 --> 04:01:52,401
>>Who else is ready

5701
04:01:53,100 --> 04:01:54,100
with meetings to report out

5702
04:01:54,100 --> 04:01:56,100
on Supervisor Gore?

5703
04:01:59,100 --> 04:02:02,100
>>Just a couple things. Number

5704
04:02:02,100 --> 04:02:03,100
one is yesterday I joined

5705
04:02:03,100 --> 04:02:05,100
Regional Parks

5706
04:02:05,100 --> 04:02:06,100
on a prescribed burn at

5707
04:02:06,100 --> 04:02:08,401
Foothill Regional Park. Just

5708
04:02:09,100 --> 04:02:11,100
great work. I wanted

5709
04:02:11,100 --> 04:02:13,100
to give just mention that to

5710
04:02:13,100 --> 04:02:14,100
the colleagues that it was

5711
04:02:14,100 --> 04:02:16,100
great to see them. We're going

5712
04:02:16,100 --> 04:02:17,100
to post some videos along

5713
04:02:17,100 --> 04:02:18,100
with them and other things. It

5714
04:02:18,100 --> 04:02:19,100
was even though it was a gusty

5715
04:02:19,100 --> 04:02:20,100
day because this was not a

5716
04:02:20,100 --> 04:02:22,100
ground prescribed fire,

5717
04:02:23,100 --> 04:02:24,100
a controlled burn. It was piles

5718
04:02:24,100 --> 04:02:26,100
that they've been doing

5719
04:02:26,100 --> 04:02:27,100
in a lot of our districts and

5720
04:02:27,100 --> 04:02:29,100
in other areas they were able

5721
04:02:29,100 --> 04:02:30,100
to light them one at a time and

5722
04:02:30,100 --> 04:02:32,100
manage them appropriately. It

5723
04:02:32,100 --> 04:02:33,100
was just very impressive, you

5724
04:02:33,100 --> 04:02:35,100
know,

5725
04:02:35,100 --> 04:02:36,100
from a culture perspective

5726
04:02:36,100 --> 04:02:38,100
of being able to do that. We,

5727
04:02:38,100 --> 04:02:39,100
that we're, we're all afraid.

5728
04:02:39,100 --> 04:02:41,100
Second thing is,

5729
04:02:41,100 --> 04:02:43,100
is that we're going to meet

5730
04:02:43,100 --> 04:02:45,100
on the 28th, but on the 29th

5731
04:02:45,100 --> 04:02:47,100
and the 30th we're hosting

5732
04:02:47,100 --> 04:02:48,100
for the North Coast Resource

5733
04:02:48,100 --> 04:02:49,100
Partnership which is one of the

5734
04:02:49,100 --> 04:02:50,100
appointments that I hold and

5735
04:02:50,100 --> 04:02:52,100
I'm the co chair of at the

5736
04:02:52,100 --> 04:02:54,401
Greaton Casino which has

5737
04:02:55,100 --> 04:02:57,100
sponsored us. It'll be seven

5738
04:02:57,100 --> 04:03:00,100
counties, 35 tribes and I know

5739
04:03:00,100 --> 04:03:02,100
Supervisor Hopkins is the

5740
04:03:02,100 --> 04:03:03,100
chair. We have you making some

5741
04:03:03,100 --> 04:03:04,100
comments there, but if any

5742
04:03:04,100 --> 04:03:05,100
of my other colleagues want

5743
04:03:05,100 --> 04:03:06,100
to attend any of it,

5744
04:03:06,100 --> 04:03:07,100
I just wanted

5745
04:03:07,100 --> 04:03:08,100
to make sure that you follow up

5746
04:03:08,100 --> 04:03:09,100
with me if there's anything.

5747
04:03:09,100 --> 04:03:12,100
Okay. Thank you. I would just

5748
04:03:12,100 --> 04:03:13,100
say a lot of it is that group

5749
04:03:13,100 --> 04:03:16,601
is a primary conduit of climate

5750
04:03:17,100 --> 04:03:19,100
bond or water bond money and

5751
04:03:19,100 --> 04:03:20,100
that's really going to be what

5752
04:03:20,100 --> 04:03:22,100
we focus on.

5753
04:03:26,100 --> 04:03:28,100
>>Great. Vice Chair

5754
04:03:28,100 --> 04:03:29,100
Hermosillo, anything to report?

5755
04:03:29,100 --> 04:03:31,100
>>No meetings yet.

5756
04:03:32,100 --> 04:03:34,100
>>Great. Supervisor Corsi.

5757
04:03:35,100 --> 04:03:36,100
Okay. I just wanted to mention

5758
04:03:36,100 --> 04:03:38,100
that we did have a joint

5759
04:03:38,100 --> 04:03:39,100
meeting of the Lower Russian

5760
04:03:39,100 --> 04:03:40,100
river and Coast Municipal

5761
04:03:40,100 --> 04:03:41,100
Advisory Councils on Thursday

5762
04:03:41,100 --> 04:03:43,100
night

5763
04:03:43,100 --> 04:03:44,100
for their BROWN act training.

5764
04:03:44,100 --> 04:03:45,100
Have lots of new members,

5765
04:03:45,100 --> 04:03:47,100
which is very exciting. And

5766
04:03:47,100 --> 04:03:49,100
then had a regional measure ad

5767
04:03:49,100 --> 04:03:50,100
hoc with SCT rcpa,

5768
04:03:50,100 --> 04:03:51,100
which I also had with

5769
04:03:51,100 --> 04:03:52,100
Supervisor Rabbit to discuss

5770
04:03:52,100 --> 04:03:54,100
the regional transportation

5771
04:03:54,100 --> 04:03:56,401
measures still in conversation

5772
04:03:57,100 --> 04:03:59,100
around the Bay Area. And with

5773
04:03:59,100 --> 04:04:01,100
that we have no adjournments

5774
04:04:01,100 --> 04:04:02,100
today,

5775
04:04:02,100 --> 04:04:04,100
but we will be adjourning into

5776
04:04:04,100 --> 04:04:05,100
closed session and we'll report

5777
04:04:05,100 --> 04:04:07,100
out at our next regularly

5778
04:04:07,100 --> 04:04:08,000
scheduled meeting on January 28.