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Okay, good evening everybody. I'd like
to welcome you to the regular council

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meeting of July 27th, 2026. Uh calling
this meeting to order. I'd like to first

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of all recogn recognize that we're on
the traditional lands of the South

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Nation who have stewards of this
property for millennia. Uh first order

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of business is approval of the agenda
that the agenda for the July 27th, 2026

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regular meeting of council be adopted as
presented. So moved by St. Pierre,

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seconded by Baitman. Any discussion to
the motion? Hearing none. All those in

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favor? All right. Which likes unanimous.
Okay. Uh now we're getting into uh

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public and statutory hearings. Now this
is going to take me a minute, so hang

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on. Statement you read. the chair of the
public hearing. The public hearing is

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being convened pursuant to section 464
of the local government act in order to

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consider proposed short-term rental
accommodations modernization zoning

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amendment bylaw number 947600-12026.

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As this is a public hearing, any person
present who believes that his or her

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interest in the property is affected by
the proposed bylaw shall be given an

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opportunity to be heard on matters
contained in the proposal bylaws.

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However, it is important that we all
that all who speak at this public

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hearing restrict their remarks to the
matters contained in the bylaw. It's it

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is not my responsibility as chair of
this hearing to ensure that all remarks

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are so restricted. Those who wish to
speak concerning the proposal bylaw

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should at the appropriate time commence
your address to the council and public

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hearing by clearly stating your name and
where you live for the record. Then you

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may give us a brief uh benefit of your
views concerning the proposed bylaws. It

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should be noted that this public hearing
is being recorded and wreamed live and

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the recording will be posted on the
website. I will ask anyone who wishes to

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speak to keep the remarks approximately
3 minutes before yielding to another

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speaker. Once everybody has spoken, if
you have further points you would like

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to make, you are welcome to continue
representation. We want to hear all

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points from people who are believed
their interest in this land and their

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land is respected.
Members of council may if they so wish

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ask questions of you following your
presentation. However, the main function

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of council members this evening is to
listen to your to the views of the

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public. It is not a function of council
and the public hearing to debate the

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merits of the proposed bylaw with
individual citizens and this hearing is

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not an appropriate back and forth.
Everybody who deems his or her interest

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in property to be affected shall be
given the opportunity to heard at this

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meeting. No one will be or should feel
discouraged or prevent from making his

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or her views known. If you wish to
provide a written submission to be

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included in the record of the public
hearing, you must hand that submission

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to the corporate officer prior to the
close of the public hearing. Once the

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public hearing is adjourned, council
will not be able to receive any further

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information from the public on this
matter. After the public hearing has

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concluded, council may without further
notice give whatever effect council

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believes proper to the representations
made at the public hearing. During the

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course of the public hearing, people
sometimes become enthusiastic or

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emotional. Regardless of whether you're
in favor or opposed any particular

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application or argument, please refrain
from applause or other expressions of

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emotion. Restraint enables others who
views may not coincide with your own to

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exercise their right to express their
views. Enable all views to be expressed

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to be heard in impartial form
as possible.

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It's a long one, but that's the way it
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Okay. Uh so now the we'll call the
public uh

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hearings open. So if uh and this is to
do with short-term rental

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accommodations, modernization zoning
bylaw number 94760012026.

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If anybody wishes to speak, they can
come up now.

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They're
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» Sorry, my apologies. We'll do a
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Okay, thank you and good evening. Um,
this agenda item is related to zoning

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amendment via number 947, which is
intended to modernize the district's

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zoning regulations for short-term rental
accommodation.

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» Okay. Okay. The purpose of this
presentation is to provide context for

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the proposed amendment bylaw and briefly
explain its provisions uh before council

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hears from the public. Uh no staff
recommendation or motion is being

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presented as part of the public hearing.
However, council is scheduled to

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consider a third reading separately
under item 10.1 of tonight's agenda

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following the close of the public
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On February 9th, council directed staff
to prepare amendments to clarify and

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modernize the district's regulation of
short-term rental accommodation,

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including alignment with the provincial
short-term rental legislation. Staff

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then coordinated a business with
business licensing and other relevant

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departments and presented the proposed
amendments to the LUDC. On June 9th,

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LUDC recommended that the bylaw receive
first and second reading and that

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council direct staff to schedule a
public hearing. Then on June 22nd,

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council subsequently gave the bylaw
first and second readings and directed

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staff to schedule a public hearing,
which brings us to today.

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Uh reasons for the bylaw update include
the need to modernize terminology. Uh

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for example, the existing zoning bylaw
uses the term vacation accommodation

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unit and does not contain a consolidated
set of regulations for that use. This

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has created some uncertainty,
particularly where a property contains

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multiple dwelling units or more than one
type of visitor accommodation. The

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province has also recently introduced a
principal residence framework for

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short-term rentals, which is proposed to
be captured more clearly in the zoning

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bylaw through these amendments.
Uh the proposed amendments also respond

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uh by creating clear definitions in a
dedicated regulatory section of the

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zoning bylaw, which currently does not
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In terms of proposed terminology
changes, uh vacation accommodation would

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be replaced with the more commonly used
term short-term rental. Uh the bylaw

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would also replace small suite uh with
detached suite uh which more clearly

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describes the type of dwelling being
regulated. Also, new definitions for

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short-term rental, principal residence,
and host uh would establish the

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foundation for administering these uses
consistently.

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Uh the proposed short-term rental
framework is intended to mirror the

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provincial framework uh which is based
on the host principal residence. So

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under these amendments, a short-term
rental could occur in the principal

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dwelling, a secondary suite or a
detached suite provided the use is

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permitted in the applicable zone. A host
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units for short-term rental. However,
the two units, if two units are used,

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one must be the host's principal
residence. also clarified in the bylaw

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amendments uh in the case where a host
principal residence is an accessory

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dwelling unit such as a detached suite
or a secondary suite uh they may rent

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out the main house on the same parcel
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So the proposed definition also changes
the maximum stay uh from 30 to 90 uh

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consecutive days to align with the
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And yes, one one of the more significant
clarifications is that the host would

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not need to remain physically present on
the property whenever a short-term

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rental is occurring. For example, a host
could rent out their principal residence

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while tempor temporarily traveling
provided the dwelling continues to be

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their principal residence as defined. Uh
this differs from the district's

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previous administrative approach which
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be linked to a homebased business
regulations and generally interpreted as

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requiring the operator to reside on the
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operating.

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The amendments also intend to clarify
that short-term rentals and bed and

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breakfast are distinct accommodation
uses and are not homebased businesses.

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Each use would be regulated through its
own definitions and requirements. The

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amendment would also prohibit a bed and
breakfast and short-term rental from

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operating concurrently on the same
parcel. Uh the intent is to prevent the

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stacking of multiple commercial
accommodation uses on a residential or

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rural residential property. Uh this
separation is a zoning classification

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change.

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[snorts]
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intentionally limited in scope. uh they
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permissions into zones where the use is
not already permitted as vacation

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accommodation and it would not increase
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permitted on a parcel. The amendments
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uh whereas operational matters may be
considered separately through business

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license bylaw or uh related enforcement
practices such as licensing fees,

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inspections, complaint response and
enforcement procedures.

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uh properties also within the ALR uh
would also remain subject to the the ALC

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act and the ALR use regulation uh which
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Staff have confirmed that there are
currently 107 active short-term rental

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business licenses and 14 active licenses
for bed and breakfast. Um, following

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receipt of correspondence concerning an
existing combined operation, uh, based

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on the available data, uh, staff
confirmed that only one property

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currently is holding a license for both
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Uh, no other licensed property was
identified as operating both uses

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concurrently.

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Notice of the public hearing is
published twice in the local newspaper

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in accordance to the local government
act. Um, as for the preparation of this

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presentation,
um, as of the preparation of this

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presentation, two written submissions
had been received, that one in support

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and one requesting the bylaw not proceed
as drafted or that an existing combined,

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uh, bed and breakfast and short-term
rental operation be allowed to continue.

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Staff have reviewed the business license
information and operating history of the

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identified property. And based on that
review, staff confirmed the existing

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combined bed and breakfast and
short-term rental use would be lawful

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non-conforming if bylaw 947 uh was
adopted as drafted.

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However, the use could not be expanded
or if discontinued for a period of 6

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months. Um future use would need to
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at the time.
Uh the rationale for the amendment

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remains to prevent new stacking of
multiple commercial accommodation uses

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on residential and rural residential
parcels. Uh and is consistent practice

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uh in most municipalities.

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That concludes my presentation. Um
again, once the public hearing is

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closed, council will have an opportunity
to consider third reading uh under item

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10.1 of the agenda. Thank you.
>> Thank you, staff. Uh now I will call on

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any individual that has a concern in
regards to uh this bylaw to come

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forward. State your name and uh
community you live in.

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You have to press the on button there.

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Uh good evening. My name is Mike Hicks
and representing my wife Kathy Hicks as

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well. 3018
Manor Road, Souk.

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[clears throat] So, thank you, uh, mayor
and council, counselors.

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Um, we have run our small homebased
business for 25 years. And thank you,

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uh, Jade, too. We've been writing back
and forth. We have, uh, run our small

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homebased business, uh, for 25 years on
our property, 4.5

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acre property in Souk. We operate a
vacation rental and a threeunit B&B on

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our property. We have soup business
licenses for both. We also are

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registered with the BC government for
the vacation rental. So basically all

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our ducks are in order for 25 years.
this bylaw amendment not allowing a

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vacation rental and BNB on the same
property and reclassifying away from

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homebased business will destroy our
means of income. That's that's what

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it'll do. The district of Souk staff are
bringing forth this amendment to

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modernize Souk's regulation on shortterm
rental accommodations.

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As far as we can determine, Kathy and I,
we are the only parcel

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affected in suit in all of soup and we
were never consulted

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and the question is why are you doing
this?

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But anyways, the bottom line is we are
directly affected affected negatively

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and trust that you will not adopt this
bylaw as written or you will grant us

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lawful non-conforming status. Thank you
very much. Thank you, Mr. Hicks.

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Is there anybody else wish to speak on
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» Once again, your name and uh the
community you live in.

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» Yeah. Press thing. Here we go.
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» Sorry. Uh Dave Saunders uh family owns
property on W and Spit. I live in

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Machosen but I represent my family own
that property and within spit for over

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60 years. Um I've supplied uh our CIO uh
with a email. I believe there's overlap

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between the two um issues respective of
vacation and tourism and the redefining

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of uh the
land use. I don't believe in any of the

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reports that I've seen uh that deals
with fair and equitable taxation with

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respect to either residential,
commercial or ALR. I believe some of

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what is proposed benefits ALR over and
above what was just uh professed here by

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Mr. Hicks and Kathy uh their long-term
existence. I've been asked to speak uh

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because of the fairness. Um it doesn't
really affect us so much because our

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property is ALR, so we would benefit if
we did uh have short-term rental on

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here, but it certainly wouldn't be fair
to those other entities. I don't believe

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that we've done enough homework. I also
believe that there's been two members of

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the land use committee that have
prejudiced the process and my email

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speaks to that. I can provide evidence
to that when I've circulated that to

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mayor and council and that's through
disclosure and whatnot. So I would just

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uh say maybe put the brakes on this
until such time that you've fully

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researched the fair and equitable
taxation related to the overlap with

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respect to what I've presented both at
this council meeting and the previous.

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Thank you very much.
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Is there any questions for the person
speaking? Hearing

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none. Will anybody else wish to speak?

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Hearing none, then I'm going to close
the public hearing and and go on to uh

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regular business.

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I'll move that. Thank you.

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Uh, yes. The only thing I want to add to
the report was just a special shout out

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to the artists um that um have their
[clears throat] artwork displayed on the

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new banners hanging around town um Megan
and and Kathy um have some beautiful

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pieces there that are now decorating our
town and u just want a special thank you

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to them and uh the soup fine art show
for um supporting their work.

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» Thank you. Any any questions for our CEO
in regards to that report?

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» Yeah, I'll I'll throw a question out.
>> Okay, there you go. Councelor Baitton

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» through through you to our CEO. I note
you uh have the item intersection is

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part. Can you give us the quick update
for those who have not read the report?

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» Uh for sure. Uh through the deputy
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update, the last uh update I am aware of
is I believe they're planning on um

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setting up in the parks as they're
leasing some of the space for us during

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the duration of the project. Uh they
said uh late August, early September, I

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believe uh the tender closed and um I I
know that some people may see on-point

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signs and some trucks around there. So
the prog the project is uh progressing

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just a little bit of delay closing the
tender but um the last we've heard is um

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starting in September uh there should be
more noticed activity in the area.

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» Thank you. Any more questions for
>> and just in terms of road closures and

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hours of of work you have a I think
we've heard before that we're going to

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be sensitive.
>> Uh yes through the uh deputy mayor

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council Baitman. Uh I know a bit
there'll be a bit more um calm

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communications going out when um we know
a bit more from the province on the

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timeline but I know I was attended a
meeting with the school district as well

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on this subject. Of course they're
concerned with cenos there and the

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province is assured um that there'll be
communication well in advance if they

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ever do need to close the road they um
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obviously at later on in the evening's
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they will have um fencing up on the site
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children and parents. Uh drop off areas
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So um yeah, more details to come on that
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um don't know the timelines if they do
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certain phase of the project.
>> Okay. Thank you. Any other questions for

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our CEO?
Hearing none, we'll proceed on to the

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public question and comment period. This
is a time for any member of the public

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to come and comment about any other item
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to come up and uh state your name and

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the community you live.

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on. Oh,
Ellen Lur's uh Cenos.

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Um I I want to talk to 10.3 the permiss
permissive tax exemption application

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from from uh catalyst. Um I know that
it's up for passing today. Now, I just

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wanted to say that uh I did talk to
staff and and it wasn't uh uh necessary

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to to pass the pass the permissive tax
exemption in order for the medical

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center to happen. That wasn't a caveat
that was being held over our heads just

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for council's information because they
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And also they're they're a development
company and uh when you look at the

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amount [clears throat] of money
>> this could you please not talk while our

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public or
>> the amount of monies that are

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» just a sec one I'm going to give you
some more time please do not

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we have the person speaking here and I'm
having trouble hearing it with the

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background talking so okay we'll
continue on. Thank you Miss Lewis. So uh

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the amount of monies doesn't seem like a
lot lot,000

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but without the permissive tax it'd be
447,000

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and and uh
these people are already getting tax on

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the commercial part in the bottom or not
tax income from the commercial part in

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the bottom which is for the doctor's
offices and uh for the other 70% of the

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affordable able or at at um market
value. So I I I don't think we should be

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giving permiss giving uh tax exemption
to people who are developing. We already

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gave them as uh councelor Haldane said
that at the last meeting that we gave

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them a pretty expensive piece of
property and we gave them a lot of um um

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you know parking and all kinds of
exemptions that they already and I don't

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think we should be seeing tax exemptions
especially in light of the fact that we

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are already paying way too many taxes
and the pro people are suffering. So I

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think that that should be looked at
more. It's not necessary to give them

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tax exemption. They ask for it. They'll
ask for the work. Everybody asks for as

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much as they can get. Squeeze, squeeze,
squeeze, squeeze. But we have there's a

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point you have to say no.
>> And uh I also another um question I

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have.
>> Miss Lures, your your uh time is up.

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» I know, but is it very short?
>> Yes, very short. I just want I'll give

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you I just want to know give you some
latitude. I just want to know why the um

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do we know if the medical center when
it's built is going to be built with

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medical equipment in it and is it going
to be staffed? Do we have staff work? I

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just a question. I've never heard
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equipped with medical equipment.
>> Okay. Well, we'll we'll check that

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question in a minute. Uh I'll go to um
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understanding is uh VIHA uh will be
looking after that portion of it. I

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don't know much more. Uh the deputy
mayor uh yes that's my understanding is

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the staffing model hasn't been um
decided yet but it will be run uh by

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Island Health and as far as the
equipment in place again that's hasn't

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been determined but as far as I know
like it's not set up for X-ray I know a

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few samples have been thrown examples
have been thrown around um

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[clears throat] over the years and so
it's not X-ray is not scheduled to move

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in there that's a separate entity with a
separate I know they'll be reaching out

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to confirm if they wanted it but
>> uh yes it would be Alan health. Sorry.

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» Okay. Thank you, Miss Lewis.
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» Anybody else like this opportunity to
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» Yes.
State your name and your community,

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please.

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» My name's Veronica Pbertton Billing. I
live in Sun River Souk. It's good to be

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with you. Appreciate your work. Uh I'm
going to speak on two things in my two

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minutes. One is I just want to
underscore what Mrs. Lure said about tax

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exemptions. I can't remember the exact
uh number and I don't have it in my at

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my fingertips, but I seem to recall
Mayor Tate speaking about every 1% like

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every 120,000 or maybe it's a bit more
is equal to a 1% increase on the tax

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load of our homeowners. And so this is a
serious thing. And I I don't think we to

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give the tax exemption there is to force
pressure on the homeowners that are

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struggling so much. So I I don't think
we should be doing that. I also think

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the below market
uh category is very confusing a below

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market rent because rents have been
falling in Vancouver. So it is in fact

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possible for someone to offer or to have
offered a below market rent last year

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that would be above market this year
because the rents have been falling. So,

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it's a it's a bit of a questionable
category. So, I would just say that and

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I'll leave that up to council. I wanted
to speak principally on the ECOM. This

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is section 84 on the agenda, the ECOM
911 update and the projections for the

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increase over the next several years.
And this is really concerning and I know

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council's concerned about it and I know
everyone's concerned about it and I

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think we need to be looking at
alternatives and I don't know what they

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are. I don't know if every single
municipality uses this service, but it

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see
that have exempted themselves from it. I

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don't know. But I I really think we need
some creative I would say in the

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consulting out of the box thinking on
this about how to you create an

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alternative because I just don't think
we can sustain that uh level of increase

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and I think we need to be pushing back
and pushing back hard and being willing

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to not do it. Thank you.
>> Thank you.

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» Anybody else wish to speak? Come on up.
Same thing. Your name and the community

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you live in, please.

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» Hello, my name is Patty Holm. I live in
Souk. Uh we received a letter about um

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the application for variance and I'd
like to speak to that please. Um my

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family uh my husband who's written a
letter already that you have in your

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email package and myself and our other
family member that share our home. We're

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all in agreement that we want to see
this application denied and I'll outline

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some reasons.
So the first reason is geotechnical

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hazard and I know that you do have a
geotechnical

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somewhat of a report. Um I'd just like
to speak a bit more about it. So the

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subject property for the variance
application is located at the base of a

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steep slope. The existing slope is about
1.5 to 1 and 8 m high. It's likely near

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the maximum safe angle of repose. Any
undercutting of the slope toe may

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destabilize the UPS slope. Some adjacent
properties are reported to have had

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related slope instability issues
already. So a geotechnical hazard report

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addressing the uphill slope risk and
required remediation to current practice

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standards should be provided before the
uh application for variances is

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considered. Secondly, it's a flooding
risk. The subject property is located in

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the identified flood plane. Ocean level
rise and increased wind and wave height

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associated with climate change may
exacerbate this issue. This development

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will likely require alterations to the
wetted perimeter shoreline and flood

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protection that should be studied before
considering the variance permit.

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Thirdly, the foreshore and the
repairarian protection and environmental

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impact developing within the 15 m
shoreline. And just to be clear, the 15

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meter corp is what is the usual standard
and this is being requested to be

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reduced to 3.09.
That is a huge difference in variance.

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Um so developing within the 15 meter
shoreline protected area may

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» holds. Uh you're out of time. If you got
much more to go, I give I have some

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latitude here to give you another 30
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» Okay, I can take 30 seconds. Thank you.
So it it will adversely affect the first

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nations intertital zone. Um, typically
residential developments

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for this kind of variance are not
accepted unless it's it's um like a

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hardship case like a fire or something
like that when it's allowed to be uh

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rebuilt. Finally, archaeological
concerns. People have lived in that area

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for a thousand years at least thousands
of years and there should be a full

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archaeological study instead of just
finding things when the construction is

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being done.
>> Thank you for listening. Anybody

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else take this opportunity?

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» Once again, state your name, your
community, and what uh item you're

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speaking to.
>> Yeah, my name is Chris Rein. Uh Souk. Um

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I'm currently the president of the
Fredmill Park Society. I'm here to

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discuss our recent rental changes for
our user groups. Fredmill Park is a

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private facility owned by the community
association and operated by the Fredmill

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Park Society. This facility currently
received zero tax dollars and zero

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support from the municipality of souk.
The new rates were decided by the

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Fredmill park board and not the
community association. In the past two

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years, the community association has
provided more than 100k towards various

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park upgrades. Any negative attention
towards a community association is

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simply unacceptable. I do not attend
community association meetings or nor

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have I received any direction from the
community association members. The

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Fredmill park has historically been run
by volunteers from both the Souk soccer

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club and the souk slow pitch societies.
Fredmill park has always charged a

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minimum rent on the understanding each
organization was putting money away for

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future park upgrades. Unfortunately, the
current soccer executive has no desire

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to collaborate and assist with park
upgrades. Ju just cause constantly. Do

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we have that on the agenda? Uh
>> I'm looking for it as he's speaking. He

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did speak a number.
>> I was waiting to double check. Yeah. If

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there was course I need some
clarification then I'll let him continue

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it. But
>> yeah. Are you speaking to a certain item

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on the agenda? Is it public?
>> No. It has to be an item on the agenda.

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So that's why I was trying to double
check if it was either in the

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correspondence package or in the minutes
>> um from the last meeting. So yeah.

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Sorry. No, I was just uh

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» so I I have to go to our CEO to see if
that's okay to continue.

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» Yeah,
you got halfway through anyway. So,

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[laughter]
>> uh yes, sorry. It is an item on the

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correspondence agenda, so it's fine. So,
the item you're speaking to, sorry, the

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correspondence agenda item.
>> Okay, you continue. Thank you.

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» Thank you.
Speaking for soccer, Pete McCay claimed

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the Fred Park Society voted on these
increases without a representative from

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soccer being present. This is simply
untrue. Souk soccer had two

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representatives at the vote when the
rent was changed. We're at a point where

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our turf is on its final legs. We're
hoping to get five more years. The

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expected cost to replace is $1 million.
The decision to increase our rental

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rates was not made lightly. Without
support from the district of Sue, we

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simply have no choice. If we suddenly
have no turf field in 5 years, how would

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the community respond? This is more than
a few soccer fields. This is more than

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slow pitch ball fields. This is the
largest public, remember, it's private

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property, green space in the District of
Souk. When the facility isn't booked,

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it'll often be full. It might be people
playing soccer on the turf with a

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different group playing football. At the
same time, there are groups of people

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playing frisbee, baseball, or simply
hanging out on the grass. Private or

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not, what you think of it or not, this
is a public space the public uses, and

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we love it. The public using the
facility puts wear and tear onto it.

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That wear and tear requires maintenance.
It's time the district pursuit steps up.

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It's time the district put some funds
towards these facilities. Lastly, all

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the funds sent to Fredmill Park stay
with Fred Park. No funds received from

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by Fred Park go to the community
association. The community association

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provides Fredmill Park with funds. They
do not take away to the community. Get

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off your keyboard. Step up. Volunteer.
Thank you for your time.

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» Thank you.
>> Any questions? No, I just I there any

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questions for the individual?
>> Okay, thank you for your

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» anybody else wish to speak with any
other items other than 10.1.

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» Once again, your name and your location
and 6507 Water Street.

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» Okay.
>> And your name again?

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» Wilfrid Kanga. K L I N G S A T.
>> Go ahead. I've been endeavoring to build

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a building on this property for two and
a half years now and I've had all the

418
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:24,160
variances passed and at the last
committee varants were passed. Uh they

419
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:30,480
brought up the point that the district
said I would have to pay $107,000 for

420
00:39:26,720 --> 00:39:35,839
the road front. I was u I was confused
by it and I sort of agreed to it, but

421
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:41,599
I'm really against it and I'm hoping
council will give consideration for the

422
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:46,079
hardship this places on me for $107,000
added to the cost that I've incurred

423
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:50,880
already. I'm about $100,000 into this
thing without even a building permit.

424
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:55,440
So, I'm just asking you guys if you
could just consider this to lower it

425
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:58,320
down or anything would help it.
>> Okay. Thank you. I'm sure we'll take

426
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:02,720
that into consideration when we discuss
that later on.

427
00:39:59,599 --> 00:40:08,800
» Thank you.
Anybody else at this time? Okay.

428
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:14,880
» Once again, your name, your community,
and what item you're speaking.

429
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:20,480
» Oh, uh, Dave Mccclimman, Souk. I'm
speaking on 8.3. I think it's the CEO

430
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:25,839
report on Philips Road connector. That
correct?

431
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:28,880
So, I've
I've been on that property for a long

432
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:33,760
time. I've done some work on that for
the District of Suit, the trail. I'm not

433
00:40:31,119 --> 00:40:39,040
in favor of the uh I'm only in favor of
the 20 mill 20 meter rightway. I don't

434
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:46,000
think we need to spend our money on an
elaborate roadway. I believe we should

435
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:49,839
get the uh rightway from the uh CRD now.
So, eventually we could build the road

436
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:54,400
out bigger when we have the the funds to
do it. So, at this time, I think it's a

437
00:40:52,560 --> 00:41:00,960
safe alternative
to the extravagant plan that I've seen

438
00:40:57,839 --> 00:41:04,800
with many different engineers over 20
years. I've talked about it with them.

439
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:09,920
I've walked it with them. I just think
we need a two-lane road with a bike lane

440
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:14,400
on one side. I think it'd be safe enough
and that would meet our needs of today.

441
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:20,079
And so, it' be an interimm road until
we're ready to spend the money. I don't

442
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:23,119
think the taxpayers are going to
want to spend that much money and it's

443
00:41:21,839 --> 00:41:26,160
going to fail and we won't have a road.
We need a road. We've been talking about

444
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:34,920
this
for 30 years and it's time that we get

445
00:41:29,839 --> 00:41:34,920
it done. Thank you for your time.

446
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:42,640
» Any other speakers? Okay.
Again, your name and the item you're

447
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:48,319
speaking to.
>> Uh, thank you, Mr. Chair. uh citizens uh

448
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:52,319
staff uh Dave Saunders uh the item I'm
speaking to is 10.6 six and the minutes

449
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:59,040
uh also the minutes just want to speak
to the minutes I've uh given an email to

450
00:41:56,160 --> 00:42:02,960
uh the CEO the minutes are incorrect
with respect to my statements at the

451
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:07,119
last meeting but more importantly um
there was new information about troop

452
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:11,599
road connector and I had asked what I
thought was a simple question to some

453
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:17,200
members of council about a 25 meter
rightway and the impact to a legacy art

454
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:21,599
Morris Park ballpark
uh I'm speaking to you now was a former

455
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:25,839
president, past president of Lanford
Minor Fastball. Had three daughters in

456
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:30,640
fastball, coached them for 15 years,
coached many uh young ladies from Souk

457
00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:35,280
in fastball. So when I heard our mayor
talk about generations or future

458
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:39,760
generations for the impact on a 25 meter
road, I can tell you the impact on the

459
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:48,560
generation right now that are using that
ballpark equated to a 25 m impact is not

460
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:52,480
conducive to having that park last in
perpetuity.

461
00:42:50,319 --> 00:43:00,720
I'm concerned about future generations
that use that legacy park. The impact of

462
00:42:55,520 --> 00:43:05,280
25 m. You learned the impact. Staff knew
about the impact and a simple question

463
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:10,400
was asked. Will it impact the park? Yes,
it will impact the park with respect to

464
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:15,119
parking and loss of field space. That
park is one of the best parks in all our

465
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:22,160
entire region. Coached here for 15
years. Sports kept me from the bad side

466
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:27,760
of drugs and alcohol and being on the
streets. If I had not had sports in my

467
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:34,079
youth, I may be different today. I've
coached many women and young ladies and

468
00:43:31,599 --> 00:43:39,200
males in the sport of hockey and
fastball. I can say very clearly that

469
00:43:36,720 --> 00:43:44,640
the impact of this park on the future
generations will impact our youth. It's

470
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:52,839
not acceptable. Please reconsider the
road design. It doesn't impact that

471
00:43:47,359 --> 00:43:52,839
park. Thank you. You right on time.

472
00:43:53,040 --> 00:44:00,560
Okay, next person. Same drill.
Your name, uh, what community you live

473
00:43:58,319 --> 00:44:04,079
in and what item you're speaking to.
>> Absolutely. My name is Katie Grieve. I'm

474
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:07,280
also a resident of Souk and I am
speaking regarding the group road

475
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:12,800
bypass.
>> Um, and specifically regarding the loss

476
00:44:10,720 --> 00:44:18,160
of a park at Art Morris. I grew up
playing on that park. My brother did. My

477
00:44:14,720 --> 00:44:21,599
dad did. Um, I have spent a lot of time
giving back to Souk as well. I can speak

478
00:44:20,079 --> 00:44:26,960
from experience that we do not have
enough youth fields anywhere on this

479
00:44:24,319 --> 00:44:31,839
island. And there's already concerns
from other leagues, be it baseball,

480
00:44:29,599 --> 00:44:36,960
soccer, football, as to where they can
find fields based flight. Boozing a

481
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:44,400
field at Art Morris is detrimental to
that. It's really unnecessary. I agree

482
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:49,040
with Dave that we do not need a 25 meter
bypass. It's absolutely unnecessary.

483
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:52,319
Adding in a bike lane, absolutely. I can
see that being very beneficial,

484
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:58,079
especially with the school very close
by, but anything more than that is

485
00:44:54,960 --> 00:45:01,119
frankly ridiculous and a misuse of
funds.

486
00:44:59,839 --> 00:45:02,480
And that's essentially all that I have
to say about that.

487
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:09,119
» Thank you.
>> Thank you.

488
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:12,800
» Anybody else? Please come forward
again. State your name, what you're

489
00:45:10,720 --> 00:45:18,640
speaking to in your community.
>> Hello, my name is Brian Banner, live in

490
00:45:14,720 --> 00:45:23,040
Souk. I'm speaking on item 8.3.
Uh, good evening, mayor and council.

491
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:26,960
I'm the vice president of Souk Minor
Fastball Association. I'm here tonight

492
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:30,079
because I support the throughpro
connector. In fact, it's unbelievable

493
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:34,400
this road still hasn't been built in
more than 20 years of discussion. Souk

494
00:45:32,720 --> 00:45:38,319
needs another connection, and I don't
think anyone would disagree with that.

495
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:42,160
What I don't understand is how we've
gone from building a muchneeded

496
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:46,880
connector road to a proposal of 25 m
rightway with an estimated cost of

497
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:50,880
around $50 million at the expense of one
of the most important recreation

498
00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:55,200
facilities in our community. Art Morris
Park has served the community for more

499
00:45:52,319 --> 00:46:00,400
than 70 years. It wasn't built by the
district. It was built by volunteers,

500
00:45:57,119 --> 00:46:04,240
fundraising grants, local sponsors, and
thousands of hours of hard work by

501
00:46:02,079 --> 00:46:07,599
people who wanted to give their kids a
place to play.

502
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:12,000
and it's owned by the Souk Community
Association. What concerns me the most

503
00:46:10,079 --> 00:46:16,400
is we're talking about taking recreation
away from the community that already

504
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:20,079
already doesn't have enough. Over the
past 20 years, Souk has grown

505
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:24,720
dramatically. But our recreation
infrastructure has not kept up. We need

506
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:28,960
more ball diamonds. We need a second
sheet of ice. We need more soccer

507
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:33,599
fields. We need more indoor recreation,
not less. Every week, Souk families

508
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:37,520
leave town because we don't have enough
facilities for our kids. They travel to

509
00:46:35,599 --> 00:46:41,359
Langford, Cwood, Victoria, and beyond
just to play sports they love. That

510
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:45,040
shouldn't be a reality in a community of
our size.

511
00:46:43,839 --> 00:46:48,800
And if we're going to lose ball
diamonds, parking, and pickle ball

512
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:53,119
courts, where where's the replacement
plant? Where are the new facilities? How

513
00:46:51,359 --> 00:46:57,520
will they be funded? Those are the
questions our community deserves answers

514
00:46:54,800 --> 00:47:00,720
to before a decision is made. I'm not
asking to stop a Through Pro Connector.

515
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:04,319
I'm asking to find a way to build it
while protecting Art Morris Park. We

516
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:08,640
shouldn't have to choose between
transportation and recreation.

517
00:47:06,720 --> 00:47:15,960
A grow a growing community deserves
both. Please don't solve one problem by

518
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:15,960
creating another. Thank you.

519
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:20,280
Anybody else?

520
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:27,599
Once again, your name, your community,
and what item, please.

521
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:33,119
» Okay. Um, my name is uh Dell Gibbs and
it's concerning the th road. Um, mainly

522
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:40,960
the Art Morris
um baseball park um Art Morris is my

523
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:46,000
grandfather and at the time art worked
for a man named Eric Bernard after and

524
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:52,800
after his death Mr. Bernard donated that
land to the ball field and is now on is

525
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:57,119
now on in memory and perpetuity to Art
Morris and Souk. I'm thankful for all

526
00:47:55,359 --> 00:48:03,040
the volunteers that have done all the
hard work. Um Souk has turned out a lot

527
00:48:00,319 --> 00:48:08,480
of known great ball teams because of
those fields. Uh the conductor road is

528
00:48:06,319 --> 00:48:14,319
proposed and is definitely needed to
ease congestion through suit during peak

529
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:19,839
times. Um the area is very sportsminded
with the golf course, Souks gate park,

530
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:24,319
pickle ball courts, the baseball field,
plus the nearby schools of Poyet and

531
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:30,319
Journey Middle. The school is classified
as a connector or the road is classified

532
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:34,640
as a connector road and schools the
speed limit will be 30 kilometers an

533
00:48:32,319 --> 00:48:40,000
hour in that area. It would be
beneficial to narrow the road width as a

534
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:45,839
deterrent to speeders and hopefully
prevent any encroachment to the baseball

535
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:50,240
park property lines. And as it is, I
have two young grandsons in the area and

536
00:48:48,240 --> 00:48:55,200
they will becoming baseball players in
the future. Um they will have a sense of

537
00:48:52,400 --> 00:49:00,880
pride in deeply rooted family history to
see their great greatgrandfather's name

538
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:06,319
um and legacy on a sign. Thank you.
Please narrow the road.

539
00:49:04,079 --> 00:49:10,960
you.
Anybody else?

540
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:16,880
Again, state your name, your community,
and uh what item you're speaking to.

541
00:49:14,240 --> 00:49:20,319
» Okay. My name is Matt Banner. Speaking
item 8.3.

542
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:23,680
I was born and raised in Souk. My
family's lived here for over 100 years.

543
00:49:22,240 --> 00:49:27,280
Like many of the kids raised here, I
played fastball.

544
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:31,680
Some of the best memories I have are
playing sports in general. As I get

545
00:49:29,359 --> 00:49:34,559
older, as the kids got older, we had to
leave sports to play elsewhere. And Souk

546
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:38,880
didn't have the leagues nor facilities
to support higher levels of play with

547
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:42,400
the exception of fastball. I have two
active sporty sons. I don't want them or

548
00:49:40,720 --> 00:49:46,000
the next generation of Sug athletes to
have to leave Souk to play competitive

549
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:49,839
sports we love because we have no
facilities left.

550
00:49:48,240 --> 00:49:52,640
I've been following council's discussion
about the fruit road connector and I

551
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:57,680
struggle with it from an industry
perspective. I agree this road needs to

552
00:49:55,119 --> 00:50:01,760
be built. What growing community with
any sort of plan doesn't have a bypass

553
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:05,280
road? I'm blown away at the costs. I'm
shocked at the notion we would sacrifice

554
00:50:03,359 --> 00:50:08,000
the softball fields my family and
friends have spent thousands of hours

555
00:50:06,720 --> 00:50:12,160
building and maintaining and they're
still in good condition. Professionally,

556
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:14,800
I'm a general contractor with over 20
years of experience in road

557
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:19,280
construction, underground servicing, and
land development. Listen to council

558
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:23,119
discussions. It seems to me there's only
a few counselors that under that that

559
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:27,119
recognize this is a complex engineering
project with more than one path to a

560
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:32,160
safe and effective outcome performance
and financially. As a contractor, I know

561
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:36,400
I knew and I wanted to prove that there
was a better way. In discussions with my

562
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:39,520
engineering firm, Onpoint Engineers,
I've had them prepare an alternative

563
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:43,520
through road connector concept and
construction estimate from Souk Road up

564
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:47,599
Phillips to Church. The engineers
confirmed there is a much better way.

565
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:51,359
There also can be an interim road with
two travel lanes, a center turn lane, a

566
00:50:49,599 --> 00:50:55,680
sidewalk, a bike lane that meets specs
and transportation needs. And we can do

567
00:50:53,839 --> 00:51:00,160
this while protecting the sports field,
neighboring properties, all within a 20

568
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:04,240
m rightway, which I will add works in
every other community in Western Canada

569
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:09,440
that I've worked in. The estimate that
we came up with so far has come up at

570
00:51:06,559 --> 00:51:13,839
$15 million and will include a 25%
contingency. That's a fraction of the

571
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:17,359
cost being recorded
recommended by the majority of mayor and

572
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:21,920
council. This shows the road can be
built sooner. It meets and needs any

573
00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:25,520
safety requirements. It can protect
recreation. It can preserve the option

574
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:28,240
to build the ultimate road if and when
it's ever needed, which I don't really

575
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:30,319
feel that it would need to be in the
community.

576
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:32,160
» Mr. Banner, you're just out of time. How
much longer have you do you need?

577
00:51:31,359 --> 00:51:34,400
» Two lines.
>> Okay, go ahead.

578
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:40,359
» Most importantly, we'll build a road
when we can afford it. Okay.

579
00:51:37,119 --> 00:51:40,359
» Thank you.

580
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:55,839
Rob Pierce, uh, 2407 Popular Sun River.
I've been to a few meetings here when

581
00:51:54,720 --> 00:51:59,920
you guys have been talking about the
Through Road Connector, and for the life

582
00:51:57,839 --> 00:52:05,520
of me, I cannot understand why the
majority of council, the mayor, and

583
00:52:02,319 --> 00:52:11,200
staff seems hellbent on this $50 million
project. We can't afford it. Simple. Now

584
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:19,200
you're talking about taking land from a
recreation facility that we don't have

585
00:52:13,119 --> 00:52:24,880
enough of in Souk. It's ridiculous. It's
It's ridiculous. It's It needs to be

586
00:52:22,240 --> 00:52:28,880
relooked at. We can have the road. We
can have the sports facility that's

587
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:36,400
already there.
It's a win-win. Stop throwing $50

588
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:41,079
million around. It's ridiculous. And no,
I'm going to leave it at that.

589
00:52:37,839 --> 00:52:41,079
» Thank you,

590
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:48,319
CEO.
>> I just wanted to make you aware I think

591
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:52,280
we're very close to 20 minutes of
>> one more speaker, please.

592
00:52:58,319 --> 00:53:04,559
» I too want to speak to the Super Road
connector. As I've spoken before, I

593
00:53:02,559 --> 00:53:10,480
think it's ridiculous that we're looking
at building something bigger than our

594
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:18,079
souk road, our highway, looking at a
bypass. It's ridiculous. It's 25 m is

595
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:21,520
way out of whack. And I do like what Mr.
Banner proposed. And I hope that council

596
00:53:20,079 --> 00:53:30,480
would go back to this and look at this
and and um uh say no to this $50 million

597
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:36,880
question going on a on a uh referendum.
I I think it's totally insane. And uh

598
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:40,000
talk to the people that live here.
There's a lot of people that know. And I

599
00:53:38,240 --> 00:53:43,720
also had five grandsons that went
through that ball field

600
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:55,760
off. Sorry. So So looking at everybody
else's forgot mine. That ends our public

601
00:53:54,400 --> 00:54:00,000
question and comment period. Thank you
everybody that took the time to comment

602
00:53:57,359 --> 00:54:05,440
on some very tough issues that are we're
facing in our community. Um I'm pretty

603
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:09,160
sure council is listening and uh we'll
see where it goes from there.

604
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:20,319
Okay. Now we'll go to the consent agenda
that the following items in the consent

605
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:28,520
agenda be adopted as uh by consent 8.2
8.3 and 8.4. Is there anybody want to

606
00:54:23,599 --> 00:54:28,520
pull any of those? Councelor Pearson

607
00:54:32,720 --> 00:54:41,880
» 10J
through connector uh from Dave Saunders

608
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,880
19F

609
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:50,559
zoning amendment uh bylaw 54 947 Mike
and Kathy Hicks. And I'll have to ask

610
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:55,359
the corporate officer through through me
through the chair.

611
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:59,760
» Um I'm asking for that after a public
hearing has been. So this isn't this

612
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:02,960
this is already here.
>> It's in the agenda. So is it it's

613
00:55:01,599 --> 00:55:07,760
acceptable? It's not we're not receiving
more information. It's my question.

614
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:11,040
» Uh through the deputy mayor to councelor
Pearson. Uh that is my understanding is

615
00:55:09,359 --> 00:55:13,359
it's not new information. Uh it's
already been included on the agenda.

616
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:16,319
Just now that the public hearing is
closed, council is not allowed to

617
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:18,160
receive any new information.
>> Okay.

618
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:19,839
» So, this is not considered
>> I didn't want to jeopardize the public

619
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:22,480
hearing.
>> Thank you.

620
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:29,839
» And 22.1
uh engineering safety matter and

621
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:33,440
petition uh from Miss Parks T. Parks.
>> Those three items, please.

622
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:39,960
» Thank you.
>> Uh all right. So then all those other

623
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:39,960
items. Uh council.

624
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:50,440
» Yeah. So I'd like to pull 8H Ella Beach
behaviors Fred Brown.

625
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:50,440
Okay, that's recorded. And yeah,

626
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:59,040
» Mr. Haldane. Sorry, Council Hold.
>> Yes, please. Um, I would like to take

627
00:55:56,559 --> 00:56:02,440
out 7G
and 18E.

628
00:56:04,799 --> 00:56:08,960
» So, my understanding, it's correct me if
I'm wrong, CAO, that will come up at the

629
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:14,960
next meeting.
>> Correct. Thank you.

630
00:56:12,240 --> 00:56:20,720
» All right, with that, uh, we have a vote
on all the other items. Uh, we remove

631
00:56:18,319 --> 00:56:25,200
those from correspondence, the 8.3 and
8.4. So, we have a motion. So, moved by

632
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:29,200
councelor St. Pierre. We have a second
here.

633
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:35,520
Councelor Pearson. Any discussion to the
motion? Hearing none. All those in

634
00:56:31,359 --> 00:56:43,240
favor? Unanimous. Thank you.
Uh, report of the chief and

635
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:43,240
I already had that, right?

636
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:53,160
9.1. It's good. Thank you. Uh, roof
replacement, Pursuit Municipal Hall.

637
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:53,160
That's a staff report.

638
00:56:53,760 --> 00:57:01,359
Thank you very much. Um,
staff went out to tender for the roof

639
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:08,480
replacement for this building and some
work on the siding. Uh, we received four

640
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:12,480
bids. only one was a qualified bid or
compliant bid I should say. The other

641
00:57:10,079 --> 00:57:19,200
three were not non-compli were not
compliant. Um therefore with a compliant

642
00:57:16,319 --> 00:57:27,640
bid within budget we are proposing to
award to

643
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:27,640
uh Regal Roofing for 234,754.

644
00:57:32,799 --> 00:57:39,760
So that's our staff report. Any
questions from councel?

645
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:44,720
Council Pearson.
>> Yes. Thank you, chair. Through to the uh

646
00:57:41,839 --> 00:57:48,960
district engineer. Um are we changing
the type of roof that we're getting?

647
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:53,839
Like 234K. That sounds like a huge
amount of money.

648
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:59,359
What's the price per square meter or
square they used to call? What I used to

649
00:57:55,520 --> 00:58:04,000
put or deal with through the deputy
mayor to the council. Uh I can't tell

650
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:09,760
you the cost because that would be
proprietary information for through the

651
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:15,359
bid. It is an ashalt roof which is
pretty standard for a building. And this

652
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:22,240
is a fairly large building to replace
its roof plus and its elevation and

653
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:26,720
slope and such. So that's not in my mind
too unreasonable the the dollar amount.

654
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:31,680
And that is what we were looking at when
we budgeted for this project in the in

655
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:35,599
the 26 budget.
>> Okay. And just one follow-up question.

656
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:38,599
And how old is this? How old is our roof
now?

657
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:45,680
» I would have to go back and double check
because that predates me by quite some

658
00:58:43,119 --> 00:58:47,599
time, but it's probably beyond 20 years
or more

659
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:52,480
» at least. Yeah,
>> it's the original roof. I did it.

660
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:57,440
» That's my understanding. Okay. Thank
you. Any other counselors wish to speak?

661
00:58:55,119 --> 00:59:02,480
Okay. Councelor Haldane.
>> Yes. Thank you. Um, so when you say you

662
00:59:00,559 --> 00:59:06,400
we we budgeted for this, all I've seen
in the report was a budget for 70 and

663
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:12,480
something,000 for windows, roofing, and
a bunch of other repairs. So what was

664
00:59:08,559 --> 00:59:16,480
budgeted for the roof in the breakdown?
>> I would have to go back and double

665
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:20,880
check, but I believe it was close to
250K for doing the roofing.

666
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:24,160
» And And who came up with that? Where
where do we get that number? That would

667
00:59:22,319 --> 00:59:27,599
be from our consultant.
>> We hired a consultant to come up with an

668
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:31,040
amount of roof or we we've sent it out
to tender to get.

669
00:59:29,119 --> 00:59:36,319
» They prepared the tender and
administered it for us and part of that

670
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:40,720
was preparing the uh cost estimate for
doing the work.

671
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:45,040
» Okay. And and lastly, during u the
budget deliberations this year, we

672
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:48,880
talked about a lot of these uh costs and
expectations and it was brought up by me

673
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:53,599
and and it brought up on more than one
occasion about using local contractors

674
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:58,480
and local people. And in this case, we
go out to BC bid. We throw it out there

675
00:59:55,680 --> 01:00:04,079
from June 29th to July 13th, so a two-e
period. And we don't inform local

676
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:08,400
people. And it's been said time and time
again. We have a soup builders

677
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:12,160
association that we didn't ask about any
of it. So, they had no idea that we're

678
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:17,680
going out to these bids. So, it's I
guess it's it's up to each person to go

679
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:21,520
on BC bid anytime uh the district suit
decides they're going to put something

680
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:26,000
out, but not everybody has BC bid as
part of their computer system. So, can't

681
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:31,520
we do it in the future where we go to
some local contractors and we have many

682
01:00:27,839 --> 01:00:34,880
roofing contractors and suggest
put on here right now was done by a

683
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:38,480
local roofing contractor originally. I'm
not sure what process he had to go

684
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:42,799
through, but the roofs lasted for the 30
years it was built in 96. So, um I would

685
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:47,040
think at this point we could go to
another local suit guy where people who

686
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:51,760
pay local taxes here could get to work.
So, I'll be voting against this. Thank

687
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:54,319
you.
>> Mr. Mr. Miller, would you like to

688
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:59,839
comment?
>> Uh, your worship. Um,

689
01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:07,599
basically we have a purchasing policy
within the district. We also have the

690
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:11,839
provincial trade requirements through
trade agreements that anything over a

691
01:01:09,599 --> 01:01:17,920
100,000 in construction has to be open
bid. And we also have a Supreme Court

692
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:24,559
decision that basically struck down
local preference um clauses that made it

693
01:01:21,839 --> 01:01:32,160
impossible for municipalities to do that
without running the risk of lawsuits. So

694
01:01:28,799 --> 01:01:36,799
um we can't make anyone bid. That is a
decision the biders make, but we do

695
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:42,319
follow the process as set out by the
province and by tender law.

696
01:01:40,079 --> 01:01:46,000
» Thank you Miller. and our CEO would like
to comment.

697
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:50,480
» Uh and just one further uh comment in
regards to uh local uh businesses

698
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:55,440
knowing about BC bid procurement. Uh we
did speak with our MLA uh Leanness and

699
01:01:53,520 --> 01:02:00,559
my understanding was he was planning to
organize and host a session for

700
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:06,000
businesses on how to uh submit bids to
BC bid because it's not just souk that

701
01:02:03,119 --> 01:02:09,920
has this requirement to post um requests
for proposals etc on BC bid. other

702
01:02:08,559 --> 01:02:14,960
municipalities, other levels of
government as well use this system. So I

703
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:17,839
believe um potentially uh MLA Lajanesh
could be a resource because he was going

704
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:23,280
to coordinate and offer a community
session information session on how to uh

705
01:02:20,079 --> 01:02:25,920
procure uh or submit bids for contracts
on BCB as well.

706
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:30,319
» Thank you.
>> Anybody else? Councelor Baitman.

707
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:34,000
» Yeah, thank you for for all this. Um a
few points. I I believe a consultant was

708
01:02:32,319 --> 01:02:37,839
hired to look at the entirety of the
municipal hall and all the work that

709
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:42,319
needed to be done within this aging
building. So, councelor Haldane, I think

710
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:49,760
we've discussed this before as well.
We've also discussed local um bids to lo

711
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:56,559
to local uh suppliers and I do see that
we had one uh local um local company did

712
01:02:53,920 --> 01:03:05,079
bid on this project and they clearly did
not meet the the uh the policy uh

713
01:03:00,799 --> 01:03:05,079
approach to uh submission.

714
01:03:05,599 --> 01:03:13,520
Uh what's the word I'm looking for? you
know where I'm going with that. So, and

715
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:20,960
yeah, for I our house, a 1600 square
foot uh residence, uh $20,000 to put a

716
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:25,520
new roof on that. So, I I guess 20
What was that? 230 is not a bad

717
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:30,119
» 2347.
>> Okay. 224. Okay.

718
01:03:30,319 --> 01:03:34,280
Anybody else council?

719
01:03:35,119 --> 01:03:41,599
Okay. And hearing none, then I'll call
for the motion the council award the

720
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:47,280
roof replacement municipal hall project
contract to regal roofing in the amount

721
01:03:44,079 --> 01:03:51,920
of 234,754
excluding GST. Do I have someone making

722
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:56,000
that motion? Councelor St. Pierre, do I
have a second? Councelor Baitman. Okay.

723
01:03:54,319 --> 01:04:02,079
Any discussion to the motion? So,
councelor Pearson. Oh.

724
01:04:00,319 --> 01:04:06,079
» Oh, sorry. Yeah, sorry. I should go to
the movers first. So, we'll go to

725
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:09,760
councelor St. Pierre.
Uh so I appreciate councelor Haldane's

726
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:14,079
uh points about trying to hire local
people and I think that's actually what

727
01:04:11,039 --> 01:04:18,799
we should be doing. Uh having said that
uh we are constrained by the Supreme

728
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:24,079
Court and various other nonsensical
rules to not do what makes more sense

729
01:04:20,559 --> 01:04:28,400
for our community. Um I think the work
that the staff has done on essentially

730
01:04:27,039 --> 01:04:33,760
keeping us more or less under the
proposed budget of the contractor and um

731
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:37,440
getting the job done makes sense. I feel
it's unfortunate we're still using

732
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:40,720
ashalt when we probably should be using
metal even though it's more expensive

733
01:04:39,039 --> 01:04:45,280
but it lasts a hell of a lot longer
doesn't burn and given that we you know

734
01:04:43,599 --> 01:04:49,760
have risks in that direction that would
make sense to me but given that we're

735
01:04:47,359 --> 01:04:53,520
looking already at 234 for something
that does burn I guess we're going to

736
01:04:52,079 --> 01:04:57,599
we're going to skip the fire smarting
and go to ashvalt

737
01:04:55,839 --> 01:05:00,960
but having said that I think the work is
good and we do need a new roof and this

738
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:04,400
is what is budgeted and this is the
tender process we Council

739
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:10,000
Baitman.
>> Yeah. Well, that's fine. Thank you.

740
01:05:07,599 --> 01:05:14,160
» Hey, Council Pearson. Yeah. Well, it's
it just every time we award one of these

741
01:05:12,559 --> 01:05:17,440
contracts and it goes out of town, it
feels counterintuitive to what we're

742
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:20,400
doing, what we should be doing. You
know, we're trying to get traffic off

743
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:24,960
the road, we've got congestion, we've
got, you know, greenhouse gases, all of

744
01:05:22,319 --> 01:05:29,119
the things that get improved. So,
there's something missing in our system

745
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:32,720
of either a getting qualified
contractors. You know, the economy is

746
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:37,760
tough right now. Builders are out of
work or you know, it it's slowing down

747
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:41,680
certainly and this is another example of
where we could employ local people and

748
01:05:39,599 --> 01:05:45,200
do all the right things. So, something's
wrong with our system in my opinion.

749
01:05:43,359 --> 01:05:49,760
However,
anybody else?

750
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:55,119
Okay, hearing from nobody else, I'll
make my comments. Um, I think staff has

751
01:05:53,119 --> 01:05:59,440
followed the procedures as been outlined
following provincial law. The other

752
01:05:57,200 --> 01:06:06,160
thing that wasn't mentioned is that uh
if we do in in future adopt the process

753
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:10,720
where we give favor favoritism to uh
people that are registered in souk uh

754
01:06:08,559 --> 01:06:15,920
then that allows Langford to do to do
the same and then uh that could cut out

755
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:20,160
a lot of our souk uh contractors and our
best souk contractors don't just work in

756
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:24,720
souk they work in the capital region
district so you also put that in

757
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:28,160
jeopardy when you keep everything in
house langford who keep everything in

758
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:33,200
house call to keep everything in house.
The chosen keep everything in house and

759
01:06:30,319 --> 01:06:39,039
that limits our our contractors. We live
in a capital region district and we have

760
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:42,640
to uh allow our contractors to uh move
just because they live here and have

761
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:48,240
their office here. They do need that
work in those other areas. So uh I will

762
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:52,720
be supporting this motion and uh at that
I will call the question. All those in

763
01:06:50,079 --> 01:06:59,119
favor of the motion.
All those against. Okay, that's three to

764
01:06:55,280 --> 01:07:04,960
two. That is passed. Thank you.
All right. Next is development permit in

765
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:09,119
with variance PLN01930
flood plane exemption

766
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:12,960
staff report.
>> Yeah. In summary, this application is

767
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:15,960
requesting a a development permit.
>> Sorry.

768
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:22,440
» Oh, sorry. Yeah. Thank you, Councelor
Haldane.

769
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:35,280
Yes. So, in summary, um this application
is requesting a development permit,

770
01:07:33,119 --> 01:07:41,039
flood plane exemption, and two variances
to accommodate a proposed duplex

771
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:48,000
development at 6507 Water Street. Um the
zoning variance proposes to reduce the

772
01:07:43,599 --> 01:07:53,920
15 m setback to the sea uh to 3.09 m for
the dwelling and 1.2 m from the deck.

773
01:07:51,359 --> 01:07:57,039
There's also an SDS uh bylaw variance
proposed to exempt the applicant from

774
01:07:55,520 --> 01:08:01,039
required frontage improvements at
building permit.

775
01:07:59,039 --> 01:08:05,760
Uh the flood plan exemption is proposed
due to the dwelling being proposed

776
01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:08,880
within 15 meters of the sea and a
development permit is required due to

777
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:12,880
the activity taking place near the
shoreline and with steep slopes on the

778
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:17,199
property.
The LUDC considered this application on

779
01:08:15,039 --> 01:08:21,359
July 7th uh in support of the staff
recommendation um which was to approve

780
01:08:19,279 --> 01:08:25,520
the develop permit zoning setback
variance and flood plane exemption while

781
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:30,319
denying the requested frontage uh
improvement exemption variance. Um just

782
01:08:28,799 --> 01:08:35,199
one thing to note is that this item was
inadvertently uh approved through the

783
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:40,640
July 13th consent agenda before the
required notice for the variance request

784
01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:45,279
had been completed. So the uh the first
motion therefore rescends that approval.

785
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:49,920
Um notification uh I can confirm
notification has been completed and the

786
01:08:47,359 --> 01:08:54,080
remain motions return uh the application
for council's consideration uh in

787
01:08:51,679 --> 01:08:58,319
accordance with the LUDC uh and
mirroring the staff recommendation here

788
01:08:55,839 --> 01:09:01,920
today. Um so with that staff are
available for questions uh and the

789
01:08:59,759 --> 01:09:06,000
applicant is uh also in attendance I
believe still uh if there are questions

790
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:09,520
directed directly for him.
>> Okay. Um,

791
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:15,839
we can either do it with having the
motion on the floor, but I think I'll u

792
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:19,560
have uh uh council ask questions now.
They have some for staff.

793
01:09:20,159 --> 01:09:30,640
Anything? Councelor St. Pier.
Um, so I recall that the

794
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:35,359
the cost of $17,000 for the front
improvements was based on a

795
01:09:31,839 --> 01:09:39,279
cross-section which um think council
tended to think was probably more than

796
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:44,080
was necessarily needed for that
particular area for water street. Uh my

797
01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:48,239
understanding is that uh there would be
the possibility of sending Zaka staff to

798
01:09:46,159 --> 01:09:51,359
look at an alternative cross-section
that might have a reduced cost because

799
01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:55,600
that would make sense and would actually
reduce the cost of the applicant. I

800
01:09:53,679 --> 01:09:59,600
believe that although there was some
appetite on the part of council to

801
01:09:56,960 --> 01:10:02,800
actually do so um and this will be
something to refer to the applicant

802
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:07,679
again when the applicant was asked if
they would want a delay to consider a

803
01:10:06,239 --> 01:10:11,440
potentially less expensive
cross-section. they would reduce the

804
01:10:09,440 --> 01:10:16,080
frontage costs.
Uh the response was I'd like to have

805
01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:20,239
this built before I die. Um or something
along those lines. So I was curious at

806
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:22,719
this point in time and I guess that
might not be a question for staff so

807
01:10:21,199 --> 01:10:28,000
much for the applicant. What does the
applicant actually prefer? Something

808
01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:32,679
more immediate get her done or more time
spent to reduce the cost of frontage

809
01:10:29,679 --> 01:10:32,679
potentially?

810
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:41,600
» I hope so. Yes, you may answer. Yes, you
come up to the mic.

811
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:44,960
Okay, I can I can repeat and and try and
explain because I think it's important

812
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:48,719
that you be very clear in what's being
>> suggested here.

813
01:10:46,480 --> 01:10:54,400
» Right now, the only way potentially we
have to reduce your frontage costs

814
01:10:51,440 --> 01:10:59,120
» is to look at a front at a a treatment
for the road, you know, with sidewalks

815
01:10:55,840 --> 01:11:03,040
and so on that is less than what is in
presently being asked. And it doesn't

816
01:11:01,199 --> 01:11:06,239
make sense to quite put as much as being
asked in that particular road because

817
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:09,920
that's a small area. it doesn't make
sense necessarily to build out that

818
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:13,840
much. So, if we went back to staff and
said, "We need maybe a different

819
01:11:11,679 --> 01:11:19,760
alternative cross-section,"
chances are we could come back with

820
01:11:15,440 --> 01:11:24,239
something that's cheaper than $107,000,
but it would take more time.

821
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:29,960
And when you were previously asked if
you willing to take more time, you

822
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:29,960
indicated not.

823
01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:38,239
» Can you turn his microphone on?
>> Turn on turn the mic, please. Uh, right.

824
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:39,520
No, no, on the the long stem. Bottom of
the long stem.

825
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:42,480
» Other one.
>> Other box.

826
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:46,159
He's got off.
>> So, so just to clarify,

827
01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:49,120
» I sorry, I thought I was confused and I
thought I was going to get the the

828
01:11:47,679 --> 01:11:52,640
billing permit the next day and was
explained to me after, no, you're not

829
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:56,640
blah blah blah. So, I would have asked
then it be reduced. I went along with

830
01:11:55,280 --> 01:12:01,040
this thing for about two and a half
years and nobody ever mentioned this

831
01:11:58,480 --> 01:12:05,520
until that meeting that they would bring
this up for $107,000.

832
01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:09,920
that so it was a big shock.
>> Okay. So, but at this point in time,

833
01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:13,040
would you prefer
an additional delay with the potential

834
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:16,800
to reduce the cost of the
>> If I could just ask you what would the

835
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:22,159
additional be? You don't know.
>> I don't know. We we probably we go to

836
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:26,560
staff and uh if it goes back to relook
at that portion of the uh what we're

837
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:31,159
looking for road improvements, can you
give me an idea what the delay would be?

838
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:40,560
your to you council. Uh
basically the delay would be we're not

839
01:12:38,239 --> 01:12:45,120
just redesigning this one portion of the
road. We're going to create a whole new

840
01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:52,320
cross-section within the subdivision
bylaw. So it would take me

841
01:12:49,199 --> 01:12:58,000
probably a month or two just to kind of
find one that works through the whole

842
01:12:54,320 --> 01:13:03,440
situation. And again, I can't guarantee
at this time that the new cross-section

843
01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:08,480
would be lesser what its cost would be
because I would have to look at the road

844
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:13,920
in its entirety, not just the frontage
across this lot

845
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:17,600
and see what type of cross-section. Then
it would have to come back to council

846
01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:23,280
for adoption because it would form part
of the subdivision bylaw. So, there is

847
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:26,480
at least two council meetings in which
to do that. Um,

848
01:13:25,199 --> 01:13:30,800
» and we're running out of council
meetings.

849
01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:36,400
» Yeah. So, if I pushed it really, really
hard and pushed a few things down to the

850
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:40,960
bottom of the pile, I might be able to
come back in September with a new

851
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:46,239
cross-section and the amendment to the
bylaw. Um,

852
01:13:44,159 --> 01:13:51,440
but beyond that, then I would be
constrained by the municipal election.

853
01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:55,280
» Right. So, there is no immediate
recourse for those. Well, they're going

854
01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:56,960
to get me both ways, I think. So, I
might as well just agree to it.

855
01:13:56,640 --> 01:13:59,199
» Okay.
>> Go with it.

856
01:13:57,760 --> 01:14:02,400
» Well, I guess so because they might come
back and just say they want 107 or 106

857
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:03,840
or something.
>> I just want to make sure we were

858
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:05,440
» Okay.
>> Yeah. No, I understand. I appreciate

859
01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:08,159
that.
>> And I appreciate your comments back.

860
01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:10,400
» Thank you.
>> Thank you.

861
01:14:08,719 --> 01:14:17,560
» You want to ask me?
>> So, go ahead. Yeah. Council Pearson.

862
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:17,560
» Okay. Yeah. Um

863
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:22,960
through the chair through the chair to
staff. I I not have a question for you

864
01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:29,116
in a minute. So
>> when we discussed this

865
01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:34,000
in pri previous meetings it was it
[snorts] was our request to consolidate

866
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:37,679
these lots
where there wouldn't have been any road

867
01:14:35,679 --> 01:14:42,719
frontage required right like we kind of
debated that whole point is that because

868
01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:47,280
they consolidated and I my opinion is is
that we actually just took three lots

869
01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:51,840
waterfront lots and then had most of
their land in the water and somebody and

870
01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:56,640
I think wisely said well if we put them
sideways,

871
01:14:53,679 --> 01:14:59,920
we can make a building site. It's a
pretty uh you know, we heard from one

872
01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:03,440
member of the club, pretty treacherous
site to to even kind of work with, but

873
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:08,719
they've done they they've done all the
work.

874
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:13,360
Can we pass all the ports? My question
to staff, can we pass all of the

875
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:21,040
amendments with the exception of the
road frontage improvement um and

876
01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:25,600
exercise cash in Lou?
through the chair.

877
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:29,520
» That's for staff to answer please.
>> Sorry through the deputy mayor. So

878
01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:35,679
what's being uh requested right now is
cash and

879
01:15:30,480 --> 01:15:42,480
» no my question two parts um Mr.
manager of community planning um through

880
01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:47,360
the chair is can we pass the we've got
how many variances we have here? One,

881
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:54,560
two, three, four, right? Can we pass all
four of them with the exception of

882
01:15:52,640 --> 01:16:01,760
the road improvements
and then discuss that last one?

883
01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:07,360
And and I have a I have an idea and I
I'm not going to surprise it. My idea is

884
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:12,080
to pass those and then ask staff and the
applicant to to negotiate a cash and loo

885
01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:18,719
settlement because I really believe this
is one of these weird things. We asked,

886
01:16:15,199 --> 01:16:23,040
we consolidated those three lots. If he
hadn't consolidated those lots, even

887
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:28,000
though there are treacherous lots on the
hill, they could be built without roads,

888
01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:34,960
right?
>> On if if they had been consolidated,

889
01:16:31,120 --> 01:16:38,480
they could have been built without ro
>> the deputy mayor staff

890
01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:43,360
» possibly. Yes, for your last question
there. Um but I'll confirm here that

891
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:47,840
procedurally yes, council can of course
um pass the all all the motions with the

892
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:54,080
exception of that the last one for
frontage exemption. Um but when talking

893
01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:59,640
about um negotiating for cash and loot
right now the the discussion is about

894
01:16:55,679 --> 01:16:59,640
cash and loot not construction.

895
01:16:59,920 --> 01:17:04,440
» That's a statement
>> that could

896
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:13,520
thank you for that answer.
So I have to go back to our corporate

897
01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:18,159
officer or CEO the procedurally. I'm not
familiar with this one.

898
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:24,800
» Uh to the deputy mayor I believe if I'm
understanding um Mr. Riley correctly. Um

899
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:31,520
council can pass all those motions and
defer commentary on the last motion in

900
01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:35,920
regards to the frontage. However, we'll
still be in the same situation of delay.

901
01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:39,440
So, I guess if councelor Pearson was
going to come up with alternative

902
01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:43,600
motion, maybe potentially is that what
he's looking for? Um, we would just need

903
01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:48,960
to understand what that look like.
>> I just need a little bit of recap for my

904
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:55,840
own mind if we if we even if we separate
this, we're still looking at uh delays

905
01:17:52,239 --> 01:18:02,800
in getting into the election. And uh the
the member applying for this, the the

906
01:17:58,719 --> 01:18:07,920
citizen said that he's we just he wasn't
really in favor of going on and on by

907
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:10,239
this. That's what I heard.
So, uh

908
01:18:09,679 --> 01:18:13,120
» correct.
>> I I don't see if we separate it. We're

909
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:18,560
just doing much the same thing as
before, throwing it back to staff to

910
01:18:15,679 --> 01:18:23,199
negotiate with the the applicant and
then and then we're right back at the

911
01:18:20,719 --> 01:18:27,679
same position we were before. So, it's
just a different avenue to get there.

912
01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:33,920
Uh, it's still delays and the applicant
said that uh he wasn't in favor of any

913
01:18:30,159 --> 01:18:40,159
more delays. So, yes, sir, Mr. Riley.
>> Yes, just uh one point of clarification.

914
01:18:36,239 --> 01:18:44,800
So, with the all the uh uh permits,
flood plane exemption variances being

915
01:18:42,239 --> 01:18:48,480
proposed, um all of them are contingent
upon each other in order for this

916
01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:53,920
project to move forward with the
exception of the frontage exemption

917
01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:59,920
variance. So if uh the uh variance to
the sea, the variance to the flood plan

918
01:18:56,880 --> 01:19:03,280
exemption and also the um uh the
development permits, if those are all

919
01:19:01,280 --> 01:19:07,440
approved together, the project may move
forward to building permit. The only

920
01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:13,120
thing uh that is a barrier potentially
for the owner would be the the cost of

921
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:17,120
uh the cash and payment of $17,000 in
accordance with the STS bylaw. So that

922
01:19:15,199 --> 01:19:20,640
that could be separated out. It would it
would

923
01:19:18,239 --> 01:19:26,719
» the clarity that I needed. So it will
not affect the issuing of the building

924
01:19:22,719 --> 01:19:32,719
uh permit or the he can go ahead with
with the construction now then then the

925
01:19:29,199 --> 01:19:37,360
negotiation starts about the $107,000 of
revenues.

926
01:19:34,239 --> 01:19:42,640
So what uh I need from the CEO uh what
procedure is we just separate uh

927
01:19:40,719 --> 01:19:47,120
just a sec just a sec. I'm just asking
the CEO question first. Now come to

928
01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:51,120
council m
>> uh the through the deputy mayor. I

929
01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:58,320
believe uh you can put forward for
council consideration uh the one two

930
01:19:54,560 --> 01:20:02,239
three all of the that motions and uh for
now

931
01:19:59,840 --> 01:20:06,239
call the question on those if council is
supportive of that and then defer the

932
01:20:04,239 --> 01:20:11,520
conversation on the last motion which is
and that council deny the subdivision.

933
01:20:09,440 --> 01:20:15,520
Uh, if councelor Pearson or others want
to have additional conversations on

934
01:20:14,080 --> 01:20:18,159
that, if you would like to close the
loop on all of the first items,

935
01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:21,199
» I hear what you're saying.
>> You can read out all of those items.

936
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:22,719
» I think I can do that by chair to
separate.

937
01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:26,560
» Correct. Correct.
>> Yes. Yes. And yes,

938
01:20:24,239 --> 01:20:30,400
» I I will do that as chair to separate
and we'll vote on the the first ones.

939
01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:34,000
And just a sec. I'm going to go to uh
councelor Baitman first. But that's my

940
01:20:32,480 --> 01:20:37,920
plan until I hear differently. Councelor
Baitman.

941
01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:42,239
» Yeah. So, thank you. Um, so before we we
jump to a conclusion here, we need to

942
01:20:39,840 --> 01:20:49,440
very carefully consider the uh
submission tonight from uh Jeff Holm and

943
01:20:46,480 --> 01:20:53,760
his wife Patty. Uh Jeff Holm being a
professional engineer who and a near

944
01:20:51,120 --> 01:20:57,360
neighbor of this property. So I' I'd
just like to go through these the four

945
01:20:55,520 --> 01:21:05,080
points that have been raised in in the
letter tonight through you to uh Mr.

946
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:05,080
Riley. Um so let's start with Gio.

947
01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:12,719
the geotechnical hazard. So I do
understand that a geotechnical

948
01:21:10,480 --> 01:21:17,600
assessment was done on the property but
a geotechnical hazard report is a

949
01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:20,480
separate matter. Is that correct?
>> That's correct. There was a high level

950
01:21:19,120 --> 01:21:24,239
report sorry through the deputy mayor
there there was a high level

951
01:21:21,760 --> 01:21:29,120
geotechnical report that focused
primarily on the flood plan exemption

952
01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:33,520
components um and recommendations for
building sighting and elevation of flood

953
01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:38,640
construction level of the habitable
space of the dwelling. Um so that has

954
01:21:36,080 --> 01:21:42,320
occurred. Uh staff were comfortable with
um moving forward as uh with with the

955
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:46,320
recommendations although it wasn't a
substantial uh geotechnical report for

956
01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:50,320
hillside hazards due to just the size of
the property and also the fact that at

957
01:21:48,480 --> 01:21:55,040
building permit uh we would also be
asking for a geotechnical report to

958
01:21:52,239 --> 01:21:58,440
ensure stability of the foundation as a
standard procedure.

959
01:22:00,159 --> 01:22:06,880
Um, and sorry, ju just to add to that,
there's also um some specific sediment

960
01:22:04,719 --> 01:22:10,159
and erosion control uh measures that are
in place from the qualified

961
01:22:08,320 --> 01:22:16,159
environmental uh professional report
that's included and makes up a condition

962
01:22:12,719 --> 01:22:24,480
of the permit.
>> Um so the second point raises risk.

963
01:22:21,760 --> 01:22:28,800
» Hello,
>> please. Thank you.

964
01:22:26,639 --> 01:22:34,639
you've got the team doing this work now.
Thank you, Rachel. Um, yeah, so flooding

965
01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:40,159
risk that I believe was dealt with to a
degree in the um,

966
01:22:38,639 --> 01:22:44,480
let's see, we had an erosion and
stability assessment was done on this

967
01:22:42,159 --> 01:22:50,159
property environmental overview. The
flooding is a speak to that, please.

968
01:22:47,440 --> 01:22:54,960
» Yes. So the district of Souk has a flood
flood plane regulation bylaw uh which

969
01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:58,400
development must abide by um and it
requires uh there to be a 15 meter

970
01:22:56,880 --> 01:23:02,560
setback
um from the high watermark of the ocean

971
01:23:00,677 --> 01:23:07,840
[clears throat] and also a geodetic
elevation of a of a certain number is

972
01:23:04,800 --> 01:23:11,520
1.5 meters or if there is flood uh
mapping data available which there is

973
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:16,719
now just recently actually with through
the CRD um it must uh meet that uh

974
01:23:14,719 --> 01:23:22,080
minimum and that accounts for uh things
like wave action and sea level rise. Uh

975
01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:25,920
so we have confirmed that the proposed
geodetic elevation of the habitable

976
01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:31,840
space of the proposed dwelling is up is
3.62 meters which is adequate um and uh

977
01:23:29,679 --> 01:23:35,199
would be considered safe um for the for
the intended use as per the professional

978
01:23:33,679 --> 01:23:39,040
report that's attached to the permit and
report here.

979
01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:42,239
» Thank you. you you've spoken to all this
at the land use and development

980
01:23:40,400 --> 01:23:46,960
committee meeting of course back on July
7th but just to to final finish this

981
01:23:45,120 --> 01:23:54,639
foreshore and riparian protection and
environmental impact now I know there

982
01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:59,520
was a um a referral from hoo from the
ministry of water land and resource

983
01:23:56,639 --> 01:24:03,360
stewardship that very much spoke to
recommended compliance with

984
01:24:00,800 --> 01:24:07,760
environmental and geotechnical reports
is that about the the sum of

985
01:24:08,239 --> 01:24:14,719
uh through the deputy mayor, you could
say that. Um basically, we would ensure

986
01:24:13,199 --> 01:24:18,239
uh through a qualified environment
professional that all uh correct

987
01:24:16,400 --> 01:24:21,920
authorizations provinially and locally
are adhered to. This is not a riparian

988
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:27,199
area by the way because riparians are
are streams uh rivers uh that exist that

989
01:24:24,719 --> 01:24:30,480
are fishing upland. This is proximity to
the ocean uh which is different. Um but

990
01:24:29,199 --> 01:24:35,040
we still do have development permit
areas which do look at development and

991
01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:37,440
ideally try to maintain a 15 meter
buffer from that 15 meters. But of

992
01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:42,400
course we're dealing with some
challenges on the site. Um just given

993
01:24:40,320 --> 01:24:48,080
the the historical context of of the
property um and uh we did our best to

994
01:24:46,159 --> 01:24:52,560
work within our guidelines as per the
recommendations of the QEP um to support

995
01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:56,159
this uh proposed development with all
those mitigation measures that are

996
01:24:54,080 --> 01:25:01,679
actually uh components of of the the
permit and its conditions.

997
01:24:59,199 --> 01:25:05,120
So very much sightsp specific um
application of the development permit

998
01:25:03,440 --> 01:25:10,560
guidelines.
Yes. Okay. And finally probable

999
01:25:07,280 --> 01:25:16,320
archaeological impact. Now there was a
referral as well from the uh archaeology

1000
01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:22,158
branch which does note that there is a
very high likelihood of archaeological

1001
01:25:19,199 --> 01:25:25,199
evidence at this site. and they noted
[clears throat]

1002
01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:29,920
uh archae archaeologists recommended
prior to excavation

1003
01:25:27,360 --> 01:25:34,400
is uh h how does that play out in this
project?

1004
01:25:31,199 --> 01:25:37,760
» Yes. So um these referral comments um uh
and advisory comments would make it in

1005
01:25:36,159 --> 01:25:42,880
their way to the development permit
itself. Um and we would uh follow the

1006
01:25:41,360 --> 01:25:46,960
provincial guidelines through the the
heritage conservation act for chance

1007
01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:52,239
fine procedures. So that's in all of our
permit language. Uh uh we do note that

1008
01:25:50,159 --> 01:25:58,000
um there's high potential uh to discover
artifacts potentially around shoreline

1009
01:25:54,320 --> 01:26:01,679
areas. So if they are found um and uh
there are correct professionals on site

1010
01:25:59,920 --> 01:26:06,400
that would would stop work and and
follow the correct procedures.

1011
01:26:04,239 --> 01:26:12,239
» Okay. And of course the S also
recommended that uh that as well. Okay.

1012
01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:16,800
So thank you.
>> Okay. Thank you Baitman. Anybody else at

1013
01:26:14,560 --> 01:26:22,239
this point? Otherwise, I have to back up
the bus a bit. But we'll start with

1014
01:26:18,239 --> 01:26:25,840
councelor St. Pierre and then go ahead.
Uh I just want to clarify something that

1015
01:26:24,159 --> 01:26:30,719
did come up that had not come up during
use committee uh through your go ahead.

1016
01:26:28,480 --> 01:26:35,600
Okay. So my understanding now from the
questions that council Pearson made in

1017
01:26:32,239 --> 01:26:40,000
the answers received is that um there
may actually be opportunity to

1018
01:26:38,159 --> 01:26:46,239
completely separate the matter of the
frontage from the other for the permit

1019
01:26:42,719 --> 01:26:51,920
to go forward. and for example for Mr.
Miller potentially to have time with a

1020
01:26:48,480 --> 01:26:56,800
bit more leisure to look at what would
be a suitable cross-section for that

1021
01:26:53,440 --> 01:27:00,199
area. Is that correct? And that's up to
anyone who

1022
01:27:01,120 --> 01:27:05,320
Mr. Miller who wish to comment.

1023
01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:13,600
Yes,
your worship to the counselor. Yes, it

1024
01:27:10,400 --> 01:27:17,679
does give a little more time. Um you
have to remember we are amending the

1025
01:27:15,679 --> 01:27:22,719
subdivision bylaw. So there is a
procedure we will have to go through to

1026
01:27:20,080 --> 01:27:30,639
create this cross-section and through
that bylaw um it's either build it or

1027
01:27:26,480 --> 01:27:38,000
cost in l. So there will be a cost um
associated with it. I mean, council

1028
01:27:33,360 --> 01:27:42,800
could in its uh decision-making process
wave all fees, but then you could be

1029
01:27:41,040 --> 01:27:49,120
setting up a precedent for the other
lots along that property line uh where

1030
01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:54,560
they would ask for a similar exemption.
So, what the cost would look like, I

1031
01:27:52,159 --> 01:28:00,880
have no idea at this point. It might
come out to be similar because of the

1032
01:27:56,800 --> 01:28:04,800
train we're talking about. Um, it might
be

1033
01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:09,440
the same or it might be less, but by how
much less, I wouldn't be able to tell

1034
01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:15,520
you, but it would take some time to look
and come up with a new cross-section and

1035
01:28:11,440 --> 01:28:19,920
add it to um the subdivision bylaw.
Sounds to me like it's possible, but may

1036
01:28:17,120 --> 01:28:27,280
or may not come to fruition. Thank you.
>> So, uh, this is from the chair to Mr.

1037
01:28:23,440 --> 01:28:32,880
Miller. So we you say we can wave or
alter that that figure uh but the danger

1038
01:28:30,719 --> 01:28:40,800
is setting a precedent for the the other
lots in that area. Is that correct?

1039
01:28:36,320 --> 01:28:47,040
» To do to your worship um it is council's
bylaw. they can you can make any changes

1040
01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:51,840
you want to it but
>> and you're not necessarily constrained

1041
01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:54,480
by the decisions you make but it will be
harder in the future if someone else

1042
01:28:54,159 --> 01:28:59,120
okay
>> on that road comes along and says I want

1043
01:28:57,040 --> 01:29:03,600
the exemption I understand that so thank
you for that clarification okay so uh

1044
01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:08,080
the way I would like to proceed I
already gave uh that I was going to

1045
01:29:05,360 --> 01:29:12,639
separate this uh but before I do that I
have to resend the old one right that

1046
01:29:10,719 --> 01:29:18,960
hasn't been done So first of all that
the approval of item 8.6 as part of

1047
01:29:15,199 --> 01:29:27,440
resolution 20 26259 development permit
with variances PLN01930

1048
01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:33,520
floodplate exemption PL uh N02032
be rescended. So I'll need a motion for

1049
01:29:29,040 --> 01:29:37,280
that. So St. Pierre Baitman or Pearson
any discussion to the motion? Go ahead,

1050
01:29:36,080 --> 01:29:40,480
councier.
>> Through your worship to staff, if we

1051
01:29:38,719 --> 01:29:44,159
vote against rescending, just
essentially go forward and we skip all

1052
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:49,760
this mess.
>> Um to the deputy mayor to councelor St.

1053
01:29:47,280 --> 01:29:53,440
Pierre, I believe procedurally uh we
need this rescended because it

1054
01:29:51,440 --> 01:29:55,360
challenges the enforcability based on
the advertising requirements.

1055
01:29:55,120 --> 01:29:57,520
» Okay.
>> So no.

1056
01:29:56,080 --> 01:30:00,960
» All right.
>> So hearing no other discussion, all

1057
01:29:58,960 --> 01:30:07,520
those in favor of the motion. That's
unanimous for Okay. And then the second

1058
01:30:04,560 --> 01:30:14,560
one is um I don't know. Oh, you're going
to put it up here. Oh my god. Um

1059
01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:18,440
have you separated that one now?
>> There's a lot here to read.

1060
01:30:18,480 --> 01:30:21,480
» Okay.

1061
01:30:26,800 --> 01:30:32,400
» Oh, sure. Yeah.
>> Thank you. Section 14, Sue Land District

1062
01:30:29,920 --> 01:30:35,199
Plan EP88370
to permit the construction of a duplex

1063
01:30:33,920 --> 01:30:38,960
dwelling and a deck in accordance with
the terms and conditions of draft

1064
01:30:36,400 --> 01:30:42,159
development permit PLN1930
attachment one. Second,

1065
01:30:40,719 --> 01:30:47,440
» the council authorized issuance of
development variance permit PLN1930

1066
01:30:44,719 --> 01:30:51,840
attachment one to vary section 3.21 of
zoning by number 600 2013 by reducing

1067
01:30:50,400 --> 01:30:56,800
the required setback from the present
natural boundary of the seat from 15 m

1068
01:30:53,840 --> 01:31:01,600
to 3.09 m for the principal dwelling and
1.2 2 meters for the deck. The council

1069
01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:05,360
grant an exemption under section 524 of
the local government act and section 11B

1070
01:31:03,679 --> 01:31:08,639
of the flood plane regulation bylaw
number 7732020

1071
01:31:07,199 --> 01:31:12,400
to permit the proposed dwelling to be
located 3.09 m from the present natural

1072
01:31:10,800 --> 01:31:16,159
boundary of the sea subject to
registration of a section 219 covenant

1073
01:31:14,080 --> 01:31:20,560
under land title act to secure
compliance with the applicable flood

1074
01:31:17,760 --> 01:31:24,639
construction levels 3.62 geodetic
elevation. the recommendations of the

1075
01:31:22,480 --> 01:31:29,360
Ryzac Geotechnical Assessment dated May
6, 2026 as amended and related to flood

1076
01:31:27,360 --> 01:31:32,400
hazard acknowledgement release indemnity
and safe harmless provisions to the

1077
01:31:31,199 --> 01:31:35,800
satisfactory of the district. I think
there's one more

1078
01:31:35,840 --> 01:31:41,679
» the other one is being in terms of the
block. I think there's one more a couple

1079
01:31:39,520 --> 01:31:45,040
more sections.
>> Oh, okay. Yeah.

1080
01:31:43,760 --> 01:31:48,080
uh that the flood plane setback
exemption does not take effect until the

1081
01:31:46,400 --> 01:31:53,040
required section 219 covenant has been
registered entitled to the satisfactory

1082
01:31:49,520 --> 01:31:56,800
of the district and the council deny
>> yeah okay we stop right there

1083
01:31:54,400 --> 01:32:01,760
» okay so that that's the part that and we
have a motion

1084
01:31:58,960 --> 01:32:06,880
and a second is councelor Pearson any
discussion to the motion hearing none

1085
01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:13,679
those in favor and that's unanimously
four uh so now um we can discuss the

1086
01:32:11,760 --> 01:32:18,159
last part of it is that correct
CEO.

1087
01:32:14,800 --> 01:32:23,120
» Uh, correct. And just to clarify, um,
for this motion, if council, the

1088
01:32:20,880 --> 01:32:27,520
applicant has requested a variance to
not, I believe, do any of the frontage

1089
01:32:25,199 --> 01:32:31,360
requirements and staff is recommending
denying it. If council doesn't like

1090
01:32:29,840 --> 01:32:35,199
either of those options, then the only
option at this time is to send this back

1091
01:32:32,960 --> 01:32:39,520
to staff to report back to council at a
future meeting on what alternative

1092
01:32:36,880 --> 01:32:44,000
options could be available at this time.
>> Nothing's ever easy. So if the applicant

1093
01:32:41,520 --> 01:32:46,560
is in wanting to do this quickly, I
believe that's why initially as

1094
01:32:45,199 --> 01:32:51,199
councelor St. Pierre referenced, he
agreed to the cash and loo amount and

1095
01:32:48,800 --> 01:32:56,960
that uh in order to move this forward
quickly, this is the motion we need

1096
01:32:52,400 --> 01:33:01,920
council to pass if um council can also
support the variance and require no

1097
01:32:59,040 --> 01:33:05,440
frontage. I believe was the uh which is
against the land use committee

1098
01:33:02,960 --> 01:33:10,800
recommendation. Um or council can send
this back to staff

1099
01:33:07,760 --> 01:33:15,199
to work with the applicant. So we we can
pass it the way it is. We can send it

1100
01:33:12,960 --> 01:33:23,120
back to staff which god knows when it
will ever get back. Uh or we

1101
01:33:19,520 --> 01:33:29,280
can just say council take uh that we are
not going to request the frontage

1102
01:33:25,520 --> 01:33:34,480
improvement cost at all. So I'll go to
councelor Pearson.

1103
01:33:31,520 --> 01:33:41,120
Okay. So I have to through the chair.
Thank you. So

1104
01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:47,679
in all in all of those options,
could council propose a different amount

1105
01:33:43,840 --> 01:33:51,440
through to Mr. Miller?
That's kind of where I was going at the

1106
01:33:49,040 --> 01:33:57,120
beginning of this.
Uh through the worship to the counselor,

1107
01:33:53,760 --> 01:34:02,000
again, it's council's bylaw. They you
have the ability to change the bylaw to

1108
01:33:59,360 --> 01:34:08,480
what you want. If you want to make it
$1, you can. Again, you're now modifying

1109
01:34:05,920 --> 01:34:12,560
the bylaw. You're not just modifying it
this one. It's the whole cost system.

1110
01:34:12,159 --> 01:34:17,679
» Yeah.
>> That you're modifying. So, if you say

1111
01:34:15,280 --> 01:34:20,960
it's $1 for this one, it's $1 for the
next one coming through because you're

1112
01:34:19,600 --> 01:34:24,719
modifying the bylaw.
>> Yeah. And and I have I have a couple of

1113
01:34:23,199 --> 01:34:29,360
couple of follow-up questions on that.
>> Go ahead.

1114
01:34:25,600 --> 01:34:33,280
» So, through the chair. Thank you. Um,
how many of these lots are left without

1115
01:34:31,760 --> 01:34:38,400
a house on it? We should have an
inventory because these are the rarest.

1116
01:34:35,120 --> 01:34:41,760
According to DFO and surveyor of general
of British Columbia, there's only eight

1117
01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:47,520
or 12 of them that exist in British
Columbia. These are the ones through to

1118
01:34:45,040 --> 01:34:51,199
Mr. Riley, I guess. I don't How many do
we have?

1119
01:34:48,719 --> 01:34:53,199
» Uh through the deputy mayor. Um I'm not
sure. I think there are about a dozen or

1120
01:34:52,880 --> 01:34:53,920
so.
>> Yeah.

1121
01:34:53,440 --> 01:34:58,480
» Yeah.
>> And so, and we understand that the

1122
01:34:56,320 --> 01:35:02,960
survey pins are actually out in the
water. Is that correct?

1123
01:35:01,040 --> 01:35:05,760
the parcel boundary stretch out into the
ocean.

1124
01:35:03,440 --> 01:35:09,440
» Yeah. So that they and somewhere along
the line 10 or 15 years ago, we heard

1125
01:35:07,600 --> 01:35:12,880
that there's actual that's where the
property goes to. I don't know whether

1126
01:35:11,040 --> 01:35:17,920
the ocean came in or whether somebody
well they survey I I don't know that

1127
01:35:14,880 --> 01:35:29,199
part and I know it's irrelevant probably
but um so if any one of the other how

1128
01:35:25,280 --> 01:35:34,880
vacant lots came along to build anything
on those tent lots and they could meet a

1129
01:35:32,560 --> 01:35:41,760
building requirement would they be as
individual lots required road frontage

1130
01:35:39,760 --> 01:35:45,920
» through the deputy mayor depends on the
trigger. The SDS bylaw triggers frontage

1131
01:35:43,920 --> 01:35:49,040
improvements for certain types of of
dwelling types.

1132
01:35:47,040 --> 01:35:54,000
» Yeah. But if the Okay, because we
learned last week it was a duplex. If

1133
01:35:51,040 --> 01:35:59,520
they were SFR, single family residents,
each one not duplex, would they in fact

1134
01:35:56,960 --> 01:36:03,840
have to pay road frontage?
>> They would not under the SDS bylaw. And

1135
01:36:01,760 --> 01:36:07,040
also the uh applicant could construct a
single family dwelling as well and not

1136
01:36:05,520 --> 01:36:12,080
pay frontage.
>> Correct. So, the applicant's application

1137
01:36:09,920 --> 01:36:16,480
is triggered
to $107,000.

1138
01:36:13,840 --> 01:36:22,239
Okay. Thank you. That's all my question.
>> Okay. Um

1139
01:36:18,719 --> 01:36:29,600
I guess with me, um
I I don't feel comfortable modifying the

1140
01:36:25,040 --> 01:36:35,520
bylaw number 9252 2025. Uh that is too
far reaching. Uh I am very sympathetic

1141
01:36:33,040 --> 01:36:39,600
to the applicant and I'm struggling to
find a way to save him a few bucks on

1142
01:36:37,360 --> 01:36:45,920
this because he's put his life and uh
soul into this uh development. He did

1143
01:36:42,880 --> 01:36:54,400
say that he would accept it as it is,
you know, rather begrudgingly, but uh he

1144
01:36:48,480 --> 01:37:00,080
did say that. Uh so I'm uh
I'm willing to deny the request for

1145
01:36:57,520 --> 01:37:05,280
variance because it is too far reaching
to uh to make any further changes uh

1146
01:37:03,440 --> 01:37:12,400
down the line. It affects too many
properties uh for for years to come. So

1147
01:37:09,520 --> 01:37:16,000
at this point in time u I'm not prepared
to do that. There's another system that

1148
01:37:14,719 --> 01:37:19,679
will find some relief for this
gentleman. I'd be more than happy to

1149
01:37:18,000 --> 01:37:25,280
explore it, but I don't see it with what
we have here. Councelor St. Pierre.

1150
01:37:23,199 --> 01:37:28,880
» Um, I agree that uh making changes to
the bylaw itself will have farreaching

1151
01:37:27,360 --> 01:37:32,480
consequences. We know that the public
would like to have access to that area

1152
01:37:30,400 --> 01:37:35,520
and that improvements at some point are
going to be needed and this is pretty

1153
01:37:34,000 --> 01:37:39,600
much the only way the district has to
pay for it other than putting more taxes

1154
01:37:38,080 --> 01:37:43,199
on residential taxpayers, which they
really don't need. So, that's why

1155
01:37:41,600 --> 01:37:46,400
development is expected to pay for this
sort of thing. Having said that, I'm

1156
01:37:45,040 --> 01:37:50,239
still struggling because the
cross-section that we observe and that

1157
01:37:48,480 --> 01:37:54,480
is
um being suggested for this particular

1158
01:37:52,000 --> 01:37:56,880
area seems to be
somewhat more than necessary. I don't

1159
01:37:55,840 --> 01:38:00,400
necessarily know it's going to cost a
whole lot less even if it was a

1160
01:37:58,159 --> 01:38:04,960
different cross-section. But having said
that, I would be interested to know from

1161
01:38:01,920 --> 01:38:11,199
staff whether or not it's possible to
have um

1162
01:38:07,840 --> 01:38:14,159
language that would allow once that new
cross-section because I predict we'll

1163
01:38:12,960 --> 01:38:20,080
want a different cross-section for that
area. Once that's determined, could we

1164
01:38:17,119 --> 01:38:25,119
have uh a refund or a different cost
attached for the applicant? Is that

1165
01:38:22,480 --> 01:38:28,119
actually a possibility or is just too
challenging?

1166
01:38:30,639 --> 01:38:38,239
Yeah, I kind of think we're going down
in the weeds here, but if you can answer

1167
01:38:34,159 --> 01:38:45,280
that, fine. If not, I'm going to move on
>> to your worship. Um,

1168
01:38:41,679 --> 01:38:53,280
it's not a route we pursue very often,
so I can't give you an answer whether it

1169
01:38:48,159 --> 01:38:58,400
is or isn't possible. Um
I think when our regular corporate

1170
01:38:55,119 --> 01:39:04,639
officer who is on holidays right now and
is more versed in these

1171
01:39:01,920 --> 01:39:10,080
discussions uh I think he would be able
to provide you an answer but myself

1172
01:39:07,679 --> 01:39:16,320
I have never gone down this road and
whether or not we could write an

1173
01:39:11,679 --> 01:39:21,119
agreement to take the 107 and then
refund a certain amount we probably can

1174
01:39:19,280 --> 01:39:26,719
but I don't know what that would look
like and I have no I don't have enough

1175
01:39:25,040 --> 01:39:31,040
» so it could go on for months and months
and months. So with that being said and

1176
01:39:29,040 --> 01:39:36,000
thank you staff for that. Uh we seem to
be caught in a sort of a catch 22

1177
01:39:33,600 --> 01:39:39,520
situation here but I'm willing to make
the motion that council deny the request

1178
01:39:38,000 --> 01:39:43,520
variant to exempt the proposed
development for the frontal improvements

1179
01:39:41,520 --> 01:39:47,440
requirements under section 3.2 of
subdivision development standards bylaw

1180
01:39:45,679 --> 01:39:54,159
9252025.
That's my motion. Do I have a second?

1181
01:39:51,360 --> 01:39:59,520
Councelor Stamp Pierre seconded.
Okay. Now, motivation. Um, again, I'm

1182
01:39:57,199 --> 01:40:06,239
very sympathetic. Uh, but I just don't
see a way around this without just

1183
01:40:02,239 --> 01:40:10,960
delaying this and delaying this. U,
the applicant did say he he woulding to

1184
01:40:08,480 --> 01:40:16,159
pay it. Um, like I say, it doesn't quite
sit right with me, but I there's just no

1185
01:40:13,440 --> 01:40:24,960
way that I I could vote for changing
bylaw number 925 2025 unless we uh had

1186
01:40:22,239 --> 01:40:29,119
uh you know, a long staff report of the
consequences

1187
01:40:26,480 --> 01:40:34,000
uh and a long discussion with council
and uh that clock is ticking. So, I will

1188
01:40:31,679 --> 01:40:38,440
make that motion and we have a seconder.
Anybody else wish to speak to that

1189
01:40:35,440 --> 01:40:38,440
motion?

1190
01:40:38,560 --> 01:40:42,040
Councelor Pearson.

1191
01:40:42,800 --> 01:40:51,520
» No, he said he Sorry. Oh,
um I think that the um So, you should

1192
01:40:50,239 --> 01:40:54,480
have gone Yeah.
>> from the staff is is that the

1193
01:40:52,880 --> 01:41:02,639
application on the single lot to build
the duplex triggers the uh triggers that

1194
01:40:58,239 --> 01:41:07,760
that uh road improvement. So, um I
actually think we can't I think we have

1195
01:41:05,199 --> 01:41:12,719
to I think that's if if the applicant
changes his his application from to to

1196
01:41:10,400 --> 01:41:17,040
an SFR and doesn't trigger it, it's the
duplex which is triggering it which is

1197
01:41:14,560 --> 01:41:19,920
throughout our entire community. So,
>> okay, that's I have to support the

1198
01:41:19,280 --> 01:41:22,880
motion.
>> Okay. Thank you, Council Pearson.

1199
01:41:21,600 --> 01:41:26,719
Councelor Baitman.
>> Yeah, I'm I'm having a bit of trouble

1200
01:41:24,480 --> 01:41:30,480
with this. um look looking at that
roadway

1201
01:41:28,239 --> 01:41:35,119
water street it it's a very narrow piece
of property and what we're talk with the

1202
01:41:32,239 --> 01:41:41,679
local urban suburban crosssection in the
bylaw two sidewalks bio swale and two

1203
01:41:39,040 --> 01:41:46,800
travel lanes now that that road is not
going to accommodate all of that

1204
01:41:43,119 --> 01:41:51,760
activity and that we I would suspect in
future we will need a wildcard

1205
01:41:48,960 --> 01:41:57,280
cross-section of some kind to deal with
the realities of roads in in the

1206
01:41:54,320 --> 01:42:04,960
district. This is a very unique piece of
property uh that water street itself.

1207
01:42:00,960 --> 01:42:10,080
And um so yeah, I'm knowing that Mr.
Miller said, you know, a few months he

1208
01:42:07,440 --> 01:42:17,679
could tinker away and come up with a
unique cross-section for this water

1209
01:42:12,159 --> 01:42:21,280
street um uh reality. Um
so yeah, I think I think I'm going to

1210
01:42:19,119 --> 01:42:23,760
have to vote no on this, but that's
fine.

1211
01:42:22,000 --> 01:42:28,000
» Okay, I'm going to call a question. And
all those in favor of the motion,

1212
01:42:26,159 --> 01:42:32,800
all those against, please note that
councelor Baitman voted against that

1213
01:42:29,520 --> 01:42:40,880
motion. That is passed. Thank you.
All right. I'm going to take a uh five

1214
01:42:36,159 --> 01:42:46,520
minute uh health break. So anybody can
wash rooms or have a drink of water.

1215
01:42:43,280 --> 01:42:46,520
That is

1216
01:47:12,880 --> 01:47:15,880
Could

1217
01:47:24,880 --> 01:47:29,400
I get council members to come back?

1218
01:47:31,280 --> 01:47:35,639
Councelor Baitman, sit down.

1219
01:47:36,800 --> 01:47:40,440
Yeah. Is it

1220
01:47:43,440 --> 01:47:53,320
Okay. All right. Now we'll go on to 9.3
park use permit commercial use staff

1221
01:47:50,320 --> 01:47:53,320
report

1222
01:47:54,719 --> 01:48:04,880
through you to your worship. Uh this is
a parks uh parks use commercial parks

1223
01:48:01,119 --> 01:48:11,119
use permit modification because there
will be a commercial component to this

1224
01:48:07,840 --> 01:48:18,239
but it is also uh the harvest event that
the society has put on over the last two

1225
01:48:14,480 --> 01:48:24,480
years. Uh so one I need council
direction to modify

1226
01:48:20,639 --> 01:48:32,400
the uh agreement and they have also
requested that any funds or fees um

1227
01:48:29,280 --> 01:48:38,880
associated with this permit be waved
which has also happened in the past.

1228
01:48:35,760 --> 01:48:41,600
» Okay. Thank you.
>> Council St. Pierre like to move the

1229
01:48:41,119 --> 01:48:44,880
motion.
>> Okay. Go ahead and move the motion.

1230
01:48:43,520 --> 01:48:48,480
» Okay. The council authorized a
commercial parks use permit for soupuchi

1231
01:48:46,560 --> 01:48:52,800
society for harvest festival and market
at the center of a community garden and

1232
01:48:49,840 --> 01:48:57,040
orchard 2380 Phillips Road in accordance
with section 6.0 Know the community park

1233
01:48:54,560 --> 01:49:00,159
regulation bylaw number 101 and subject
to conditions outlining the permit

1234
01:48:58,639 --> 01:49:04,400
action one
>> and that council exempt sukfuchi society

1235
01:49:02,320 --> 01:49:07,760
for ad ministry of fee commercial use
permit fee and deposit for the use of

1236
01:49:06,000 --> 01:49:11,840
sun river community garden and orchard
for December 20th 2026 in accordance

1237
01:49:10,239 --> 01:49:15,679
with section 8 of the community parks
regulation by law number 101.

1238
01:49:13,920 --> 01:49:19,760
» Okay, I'm going to take these together.
So one second's good enough. So uh

1239
01:49:18,000 --> 01:49:24,800
councelor St. Pierre made the motion,
councelor Pearson seconder. Any

1240
01:49:21,520 --> 01:49:30,560
discussion to the motion? Hearing
none. All those in favor that's

1241
01:49:27,280 --> 01:49:36,800
unanimous. Thank you very much. Uh next
one is 9.4 request for sponsor

1242
01:49:34,080 --> 01:49:41,280
sponsorship soup music and arts festival
2026.

1243
01:49:38,719 --> 01:49:45,199
Okay, that's moved by councelor Haldane
and that is council approve the sponsor

1244
01:49:43,199 --> 01:49:48,560
request for soup music and arts festival
for the 2026 event in the amount of

1245
01:49:47,360 --> 01:49:50,960
1,000. Moved by
>> second.

1246
01:49:49,119 --> 01:49:55,040
» We sure can. Councelor Baitman second
that. We'll fight over it. It's okay.

1247
01:49:53,280 --> 01:49:56,800
Any discussion to the motion?
>> A question.

1248
01:49:55,760 --> 01:49:59,600
» Oh, a question. Sorry.
>> Do we need to source like where the

1249
01:49:58,400 --> 01:50:04,560
money's coming from?
>> I think uh uh to staff, we have money in

1250
01:50:02,480 --> 01:50:06,400
the sponsorship still, don't we? That's
what it's asked for.

1251
01:50:05,440 --> 01:50:08,239
» Yes, correct.
>> Yes, I just want to confirm.

1252
01:50:07,679 --> 01:50:10,639
» Yeah, good.
>> Thank you.

1253
01:50:08,800 --> 01:50:13,040
» Okay, then I'll call the questions.
Sorry, Council Baitman. You're in the

1254
01:50:12,239 --> 01:50:15,280
visible zone.
>> I am in the invisible zone here. So, go

1255
01:50:14,880 --> 01:50:20,480
ahead.
>> Rightly so. Um

1256
01:50:18,239 --> 01:50:25,119
what was I going to say? Oh, yeah. So,
$1,000 has seemed to become a new normal

1257
01:50:23,040 --> 01:50:29,840
in in these applications with the
exception of the pickle ball tournament.

1258
01:50:27,280 --> 01:50:34,639
As councelor Haldane me mentioned some
six months ago, we need to to watch our

1259
01:50:32,000 --> 01:50:39,199
our pennies. But these kind of events
like the soup music and arts festival

1260
01:50:36,320 --> 01:50:45,600
and the harvest festival are are much
larger scale public events. All soup day

1261
01:50:42,639 --> 01:50:53,280
as another example. So sponsorship
um is in my mind anyway this $1,000

1262
01:50:50,080 --> 01:50:58,800
seems an appropriate amount. And yes,
there's 1362 still in the sponsorship

1263
01:50:55,679 --> 01:51:02,639
budget and we also have $18,800 in the
council contingency.

1264
01:51:00,320 --> 01:51:04,560
» So that will will cover this nicely.
Thank you.

1265
01:51:03,119 --> 01:51:10,080
» I'm going to call the question. Oh,
sorry. Councelor Heline, go ahead.

1266
01:51:06,800 --> 01:51:14,480
» Excuse me. Thank you. Yeah, because um I
always go against the whole idea of uh

1267
01:51:11,920 --> 01:51:18,000
small user groups who you know it's
their own thing, but uh any of the arts

1268
01:51:16,480 --> 01:51:21,840
festivals, music festivals, stuff like
that, they involve the whole community,

1269
01:51:19,840 --> 01:51:26,639
so it gets people out. A lot of free
stuff at those things. I'm always for

1270
01:51:24,239 --> 01:51:31,199
anything that families and everybody can
get to be involved in. It doesn't cost

1271
01:51:28,639 --> 01:51:35,920
them any money or very much money at
all. And lastly, if uh the roofing is

1272
01:51:34,159 --> 01:51:40,239
only going to cost us 230 grand, we have
250 budgeted for. We got a whole bunch

1273
01:51:37,520 --> 01:51:44,239
of money we can call.
>> Okay. Councelor Pearson.

1274
01:51:42,400 --> 01:51:50,080
» Yeah. Just a clarific question
clarification question through the chair

1275
01:51:46,400 --> 01:51:55,679
to our CEO. What was the delegated
authority on sponsorship that we

1276
01:51:53,280 --> 01:51:58,320
» uh 200 through the uh deputy mayor to
councelor Pearson? It was $250.

1277
01:51:57,920 --> 01:52:03,199
» Okay.
>> I believe.

1278
01:51:58,880 --> 01:52:08,560
» And so and and so have have you been
using that that delegated authority? Uh

1279
01:52:06,560 --> 01:52:12,560
I can I'll double check with Miss Mo.
>> Oh okay.

1280
01:52:10,400 --> 01:52:16,560
» Uh through the deputy mayor. I believe
we we've used it twice.

1281
01:52:14,880 --> 01:52:20,000
» Um but generally the asks are greater
than 200

1282
01:52:17,679 --> 01:52:25,679
» over in the CEO report.
>> So now that you've been using it, is

1283
01:52:23,440 --> 01:52:28,719
there any feedback? I know this is maybe
because we're debating the question. Is

1284
01:52:27,360 --> 01:52:34,159
there any feedback that you could give
us that on that amount? Is it enough or

1285
01:52:30,719 --> 01:52:38,480
is it because like these thousand ones,
you know, we're doing these all the

1286
01:52:35,760 --> 01:52:42,080
time. Should, you know, should that not
come to council? Like, in my opinion,

1287
01:52:40,639 --> 01:52:47,599
this is sort of a, you know, a
no-brainer sponsoring this.

1288
01:52:45,760 --> 01:52:51,199
» I I think we probably deal with that at
another time. We just have the one in

1289
01:52:49,199 --> 01:52:55,280
front of us today and I think we get
this out of the way. I think that's for

1290
01:52:53,599 --> 01:52:57,679
new business under another council
meeting.

1291
01:52:56,159 --> 01:53:01,360
» But I I understand where you're going
with Well, it is it is kind of germanine

1292
01:52:59,440 --> 01:53:05,280
to the question. This is, you know,
councelor Haldane actually summed it up

1293
01:53:02,880 --> 01:53:10,960
pretty nicely. There's a lot of I think
council has the um discretion and we we

1294
01:53:08,560 --> 01:53:14,320
rarely say no to these important events
here. So, I mean again it takes up

1295
01:53:12,719 --> 01:53:19,040
council time, council minutes and things
like that when I think we have to tell

1296
01:53:15,840 --> 01:53:22,000
the staff. Oh yeah, we got staff. Go
ahead.

1297
01:53:20,000 --> 01:53:26,239
» Uh through deputy mayor to councelor
Pearson. There may be uh this discussion

1298
01:53:23,840 --> 01:53:30,960
will likely come up through the newly
formedish uh MRDT tourism committee. One

1299
01:53:28,880 --> 01:53:35,280
of the the items in the tactical plan is
events and festivals and grant funding

1300
01:53:33,280 --> 01:53:40,719
through that stream. So there is a
mechanism to review this under that

1301
01:53:37,040 --> 01:53:43,280
context and uh uh as MRD eligible
projects there's certain data that we

1302
01:53:42,080 --> 01:53:47,520
need to collect through the event. So
this would be a conversation I am hoping

1303
01:53:46,080 --> 01:53:50,960
uh to bring forward to the MRDT
committee. Thank you.

1304
01:53:49,199 --> 01:53:54,719
» Thank you. No further question. Gray,
you got something more to say on it or

1305
01:53:52,960 --> 01:53:58,239
» to the deputy mayor. That was the same
narrative I was going to say is uh with

1306
01:53:56,400 --> 01:54:04,080
the newly formed tourism committee. This
is uh an item I know was going to bring

1307
01:54:00,639 --> 01:54:08,560
forward to them for discussion.
>> Okay. With that being said, I like to

1308
01:54:06,719 --> 01:54:15,360
call the question then. All those in
favor, that's unanimous. Thank you. Uh

1309
01:54:12,320 --> 01:54:18,360
next 9.5 update on wastewater bylaw
development

1310
01:54:19,599 --> 01:54:29,040
to council
in our June committee of the whole um a

1311
01:54:26,080 --> 01:54:34,960
discussion was held with respect to a
new wastewater bylaw because the old one

1312
01:54:31,599 --> 01:54:40,800
is coming to the end of its life and we
have to come up with a new mechanism in

1313
01:54:36,960 --> 01:54:48,800
order to pay for the utility. In that
discussion, uh committee was presented

1314
01:54:43,920 --> 01:54:56,080
with a model where partial was collected
through partial tax and partial was

1315
01:54:51,199 --> 01:55:01,119
collected through user tax or user feed.
The report you see before you is fairly

1316
01:54:58,560 --> 01:55:05,440
similar. Uh you might have noticed I
might have recycled some of it from the

1317
01:55:03,199 --> 01:55:09,920
committee of the whole with some
deviation in there. Since the June

1318
01:55:08,560 --> 01:55:16,159
committee of the whole, we've been
working with our consultant to try to

1319
01:55:11,840 --> 01:55:21,280
find out how we can make that work. And
it was our hope that we would have been

1320
01:55:18,080 --> 01:55:25,840
bringing back um first, second, and
third reading to council of the new

1321
01:55:23,599 --> 01:55:29,840
bylaw, but we're running into
difficulties

1322
01:55:27,440 --> 01:55:34,480
either with our data with the
interpretation and such to make sure

1323
01:55:32,639 --> 01:55:41,440
that we're coming up with a fair and
equitable model um for our residents and

1324
01:55:38,159 --> 01:55:46,960
the users of the utility. And because of
that, we've kind of there's an

1325
01:55:44,080 --> 01:55:53,440
alternative way that um we could
possibly move forward with this bylaw,

1326
01:55:50,480 --> 01:56:00,320
and that would be the abandonment of the
parcel tax portion and do it totally as

1327
01:55:57,520 --> 01:56:03,840
user fees. Um
so

1328
01:56:01,840 --> 01:56:06,080
the reason why this is coming forward to
council is so you're not

1329
01:56:05,199 --> 01:56:11,280
» I'd like to know. Yeah.
>> Yes. So you're not surprised in

1330
01:56:07,840 --> 01:56:17,520
September if you actually saw one that
was all based off of user fees.

1331
01:56:14,239 --> 01:56:22,960
So again, we're trying to find this fair
and equitable model that will not

1332
01:56:21,040 --> 01:56:28,800
produce too many heart attacks when
people see their bills um from what

1333
01:56:25,920 --> 01:56:36,560
they're seeing for 625 parcel fee right
now. And so again, it's just trying to

1334
01:56:33,840 --> 01:56:38,560
give council the heads up that you you
might see a different version in

1335
01:56:37,920 --> 01:56:42,400
September.
>> So we have already received the report,

1336
01:56:40,639 --> 01:56:46,239
but you're just warning us with this
that the report can change somewhat when

1337
01:56:44,239 --> 01:56:50,639
it comes back to us in September.
>> Just on how we're going to collect

1338
01:56:48,560 --> 01:56:55,920
» the uh the funds, right?
>> So I just need a motion to accept this

1339
01:56:52,320 --> 01:57:00,239
as information bouncer St. Pierre.
>> Oh, go ahead. Go with the question. Uh

1340
01:56:58,159 --> 01:57:03,280
my question is uh does staff want any
further clarification on whether it

1341
01:57:01,920 --> 01:57:08,080
should be option one or two or are you
good to go for the next stage without

1342
01:57:05,360 --> 01:57:12,880
any further clarification from council
>> to the mayor to the counselor? Of course

1343
01:57:10,239 --> 01:57:19,920
it's council's final decision. If you
like the parcel tax and a user fee we

1344
01:57:16,400 --> 01:57:25,199
can proceed that way or we can continue
to f again find

1345
01:57:22,639 --> 01:57:29,760
massaging both the methodologies back
and forth.

1346
01:57:26,880 --> 01:57:34,880
um to find the one that is fair and
equitable or and bring that one back to

1347
01:57:32,400 --> 01:57:40,000
you. I mean, at that time, if you choose
to go back to the other one because you

1348
01:57:36,960 --> 01:57:46,480
don't like the one presented again,
that's council's prerogative. Um it just

1349
01:57:43,679 --> 01:57:49,199
uh we run into the election more than
anything.

1350
01:57:47,599 --> 01:57:53,599
» Okay. I need to clarify a little bit
here. Okay. Go ahead. Yeah.

1351
01:57:50,960 --> 01:57:57,440
» Okay. So, um, if I understand your
answer, at this point, uh, working with

1352
01:57:56,000 --> 01:58:01,440
a consultant, you're looking at really
just taking it away from the parcel tax

1353
01:57:58,960 --> 01:58:03,920
entirely and moving towards, you know, a
utility billing type of situation.

1354
01:58:03,520 --> 01:58:07,840
» Yes.
>> Perfect. Thank you. Uh, and then in the

1355
01:58:06,239 --> 01:58:11,679
report you have option one and two, but
both of those are actually referring to

1356
01:58:09,119 --> 01:58:15,280
a parcel tax, which we are at this which
staff at this point and the consultant

1357
01:58:13,679 --> 01:58:19,760
is considering moving away from. Is that
correct?

1358
01:58:17,119 --> 01:58:25,599
I included the parcel tax as background
information for where we had started

1359
01:58:22,320 --> 01:58:29,440
from and just for extra understanding to
how partial tax

1360
01:58:26,560 --> 01:58:32,159
» but it's not necessarily even a front
runner for consideration at this point

1361
01:58:30,639 --> 01:58:35,199
in time in terms of where we seem to be
moving. Correct.

1362
01:58:33,440 --> 01:58:37,280
» It's one of two options that we're
looking at.

1363
01:58:35,599 --> 01:58:39,599
» My my understanding is staff is still
working on this and it'll come to us in

1364
01:58:38,800 --> 01:58:42,880
September.
>> Any further clarification on parcel tax

1365
01:58:41,199 --> 01:58:46,560
» other just received this?
We we understand what committee had told

1366
01:58:45,920 --> 01:58:52,080
us.
>> Okay. So, Mr. Councelor Peterson,

1367
01:58:49,520 --> 01:58:58,960
» thank you chair. Um,
is there any or Okay. Question. What

1368
01:58:56,080 --> 01:59:03,599
when is the debt retired
>> at the end of this year?

1369
01:59:00,400 --> 01:59:09,119
» Oh. So, so it has to be in place because
and now my second question is there any

1370
01:59:06,560 --> 01:59:14,159
ramifications from a portion of that
parcel tax? We have to make a decision,

1371
01:59:12,080 --> 01:59:19,440
I guess, is that my understanding and
it's probably to our CEO is that $200 in

1372
01:59:17,679 --> 01:59:23,760
interest, I think, or whatever it is
that's paid out of that partial tax,

1373
01:59:21,440 --> 01:59:27,280
partial tax will have to be it'll have
to come off the bill if we don't do

1374
01:59:25,119 --> 01:59:33,280
anything, right? Is that how
>> right now the way it sits, it would stay

1375
01:59:29,599 --> 01:59:40,159
at 625 unless the bylaw was modified,
but also the bylaw was set up as a

1376
01:59:37,360 --> 01:59:45,920
partial tax and they have finite lives.
So, it was set up till you paid off the

1377
01:59:43,040 --> 01:59:50,880
debt and then the bylaw goes null and
void. That is why we're going forward

1378
01:59:48,000 --> 01:59:54,960
with another bylaw.
>> Okay. Thank you.

1379
01:59:51,840 --> 02:00:00,159
» Yes. Yes.
>> Okay. So, go ahead, councelor Bait.

1380
01:59:58,400 --> 02:00:04,639
» Well, just a comment. Thank you very
much for this heads up on this minimum

1381
02:00:02,239 --> 02:00:09,520
fixed toll, the asset management toll
and the consumption toll. Seems like a

1382
02:00:06,960 --> 02:00:12,639
pretty interesting uh approach which
we'll hear about in September. Thank

1383
02:00:11,119 --> 02:00:16,719
you.
>> Have a motion to receive this report for

1384
02:00:14,320 --> 02:00:23,040
information. All those in favor? That's
unanimous. Thank you. Uh next one. 10.1

1385
02:00:20,719 --> 02:00:28,960
short-term rental accommodation moderniz
moderate modernization zoning amendment

1386
02:00:25,840 --> 02:00:33,280
bylaw number 947600120
2026.

1387
02:00:31,280 --> 02:00:38,639
That council give third reading for the
zoning amendment bylaw. same one uh to

1388
02:00:36,159 --> 02:00:44,960
amend uh zoning bylaw number 600 to
modernize soups regulation of short-term

1389
02:00:41,360 --> 02:00:47,920
rentals. That's the motion. You make it
council St. Pierre or do we have a

1390
02:00:46,400 --> 02:00:52,000
seconder?
I will second that. The only thing uh

1391
02:00:50,400 --> 02:00:55,840
now we open for discussion. I'll go to
you first and then I'll comment. I've

1392
02:00:54,239 --> 02:01:01,760
got a couple of questions and maybe a
comment. Uh my further question through

1393
02:00:58,400 --> 02:01:07,520
your worship the staff is uh my
understanding is that the

1394
02:01:04,800 --> 02:01:11,920
one property owner that has the two uses
that are at this point being stacked uh

1395
02:01:10,239 --> 02:01:16,800
will be receiving what they requested
which was a legal non-compliant status.

1396
02:01:14,960 --> 02:01:20,800
Is that correct?
>> Through the deputy mayor um they would

1397
02:01:18,719 --> 02:01:24,400
be legal non-conforming. Sorry.
>> Yes. So just automatically legal

1398
02:01:22,480 --> 02:01:28,080
non-conforming. Okay. um if they're
looking for uh written confirmation of

1399
02:01:26,239 --> 02:01:29,840
that, I'd be happy to to provide that to
Mr. Hicks.

1400
02:01:28,719 --> 02:01:34,400
» It sounds like they would very much
appreciate that. Thank you very much.

1401
02:01:31,920 --> 02:01:39,119
Okay, so my qu second question uh is
more to do with uh the

1402
02:01:37,280 --> 02:01:42,320
stacking. So, uh it's been mentioned
that other local governments are not

1403
02:01:41,040 --> 02:01:46,400
actually in favor of actually having
these two usages on the same property at

1404
02:01:44,880 --> 02:01:49,520
the same time. And there were issues
with stacking. I have no idea what

1405
02:01:47,840 --> 02:01:53,199
that's supposed to mean and what the
actual

1406
02:01:51,679 --> 02:01:56,639
negative implications of having those
two uses. Uh it seems pretty clear that

1407
02:01:55,360 --> 02:02:00,320
at least one property owner has been
able to do it for quite a long time. Uh

1408
02:01:58,639 --> 02:02:03,440
it seems useful to be able to actually
potentially invite a few guests for bed

1409
02:02:01,760 --> 02:02:06,159
and breakfast and have something else
where you can actually have some for a

1410
02:02:04,639 --> 02:02:09,520
longer period of time. I don't actually
understand

1411
02:02:07,679 --> 02:02:14,000
what the risks to the district and in
general could be and uh if you could

1412
02:02:11,920 --> 02:02:18,400
just explain why if you
>> Yeah. through the deputy mayor. So, um,

1413
02:02:15,840 --> 02:02:23,840
stacking, I suppose, uh, could have a
negative consequence. Think about, um, a

1414
02:02:21,040 --> 02:02:27,920
public nuisance. Uh, there's a
threshold, uh, you can imagine, uh,

1415
02:02:25,760 --> 02:02:31,920
where you would have potentially five,
uh, bed and breakfast units, five

1416
02:02:29,599 --> 02:02:36,560
different guests, as well as short-term
rental accommodations occurring where

1417
02:02:33,679 --> 02:02:41,520
the property uh, does not uh, contain
these accommodation uses as accessory.

1418
02:02:39,440 --> 02:02:46,239
they become uh basically the principal
use of the property that is uh generally

1419
02:02:44,080 --> 02:02:50,880
better suited for something more uh like
tourist accommodation chalets or through

1420
02:02:48,719 --> 02:02:54,480
a reszoning process would be more
suitable to have those uses. I think

1421
02:02:52,800 --> 02:03:02,320
there are some unique properties that
are on larger lots that may be um uh

1422
02:02:58,960 --> 02:03:06,239
less of a a concern um perhaps Mr. Hix's
property. But if you're looking at

1423
02:03:03,920 --> 02:03:12,480
properties located in uh town center
areas or within community residential

1424
02:03:08,639 --> 02:03:18,159
areas um that are a bit more dense um
then those uh uses proliferated um could

1425
02:03:16,159 --> 02:03:22,159
could cause uh some concern from like a
bylaw and and public nuisance

1426
02:03:19,840 --> 02:03:26,480
perspective. Parking as well it has to
be looked at comprehensively.

1427
02:03:24,320 --> 02:03:32,159
» Okay. So, if I understand correctly, uh
the main concern is over areas that'll

1428
02:03:28,800 --> 02:03:35,679
be in denser spaces where lots are
smaller and you could potentially

1429
02:03:33,360 --> 02:03:39,599
looking at public nuisance issues. Uh
too many cars, not enough parking, that

1430
02:03:37,840 --> 02:03:44,000
type of thing.
>> Yeah, that's my initial uh thought on

1431
02:03:41,760 --> 02:03:50,400
that. Um, of course, those issues can
occur anywhere. Um uh but again uh

1432
02:03:47,520 --> 02:03:54,719
depending on the uh uh like the the bed
and breakfast provisions right now are

1433
02:03:52,239 --> 02:04:00,320
become quite um permissive uh with the
larger lot. So it's scaled uh by parcel

1434
02:03:57,199 --> 02:04:05,679
area. Um so adding short-term rentals on
top of that uh again does have the

1435
02:04:03,119 --> 02:04:09,920
ability to substantially uh alter the
the land use of that property. So, it's

1436
02:04:07,760 --> 02:04:13,199
mainly a land use control measure that's
in place and and I would suggest if

1437
02:04:11,760 --> 02:04:18,719
there are properties that are looking to
go that direction to have 10 uh you know

1438
02:04:16,960 --> 02:04:23,440
short-term accommodation rentals through
a combination of bed and breakfast and

1439
02:04:20,960 --> 02:04:28,880
um and short-term rental. Um then we'd
be looking at maybe potential commercial

1440
02:04:25,520 --> 02:04:32,639
use um a hotel or or tourist
accommodation or chalet. Uh that's

1441
02:04:31,360 --> 02:04:35,840
something we could look at potentially
at through our zoning bio update

1442
02:04:34,400 --> 02:04:40,159
upcoming next year.
>> Okay. Thank you. I'd appreciate at that

1443
02:04:38,080 --> 02:04:46,480
time that we just make sure that uh as
much as possible. Uh we're not actually

1444
02:04:43,840 --> 02:04:50,080
constraining people from providing
tourism accommodations that we

1445
02:04:47,679 --> 02:04:54,719
desperately need and you know making the
best use of the property that they can.

1446
02:04:52,159 --> 02:04:59,040
Uh as long as we're looking at let's
make sure that we're looking at real

1447
02:04:55,760 --> 02:05:04,719
risks as opposed to
um things that may never really happen

1448
02:05:01,840 --> 02:05:07,760
much. Just thank you very much for the
answers.

1449
02:05:05,360 --> 02:05:11,599
» Okay. As a seconder, my main concern is
that Mr. Hicks was uh grandfathered in

1450
02:05:10,480 --> 02:05:15,760
and that's happened. You're going to
give a letter to that effect. And so, uh

1451
02:05:14,080 --> 02:05:18,800
I think at this point in time, unless
there's no other questions, I'm going to

1452
02:05:17,040 --> 02:05:22,679
call the question. I'll open. Oh, sorry.
I didn't see your hand there.

1453
02:05:23,440 --> 02:05:29,440
» Okay.
>> Yeah. So, if modern means dissolving

1454
02:05:27,679 --> 02:05:33,520
more property rights as we have done on
numerous bylaw housekeeping changes in

1455
02:05:31,280 --> 02:05:37,360
the past, then I will not be in favor of
this change. Why do we care how people

1456
02:05:35,760 --> 02:05:41,360
rent out extra units on their own
private lands? I'm of the belief that

1457
02:05:39,599 --> 02:05:45,760
given these uncertain financial times
that we need to be coming up with more

1458
02:05:43,119 --> 02:05:49,280
possible uses rather than less. It's my
belief that people pay a heavy tax

1459
02:05:47,280 --> 02:05:53,119
burden and deserve as many options as we
can provide. I'm struggling to

1460
02:05:51,440 --> 02:05:56,719
understand and now that I've heard some
of the things back because of

1461
02:05:54,800 --> 02:06:01,920
possibilities of something down the
road. Well, Mr. Hicks hasn't had any

1462
02:05:58,480 --> 02:06:04,719
issues in 25 years. So, I'm I'm having a
real tough time understanding why we

1463
02:06:03,520 --> 02:06:09,360
think somebody's going to have some
issue at all anyway. So, I'll be voting

1464
02:06:07,520 --> 02:06:13,920
against this as there's no compelling
reason at all for this housekeeping

1465
02:06:11,599 --> 02:06:18,560
issue other than staff wants full
control as usual over people's property

1466
02:06:16,480 --> 02:06:22,960
rights that I'm completely against.
Mixer Hicks and his family have proven

1467
02:06:20,239 --> 02:06:28,400
there are no issues to this presence and
these uh double types of use. So

1468
02:06:25,199 --> 02:06:32,000
therefore, I will be absolutely 100%
voting against anything like this. I'm

1469
02:06:30,400 --> 02:06:34,400
not delegating any more authority for
this.

1470
02:06:32,960 --> 02:06:39,760
» Pearson.
>> Yeah, I have a few questions that came

1471
02:06:36,480 --> 02:06:46,560
up and starts off, I guess, with a few
comments. I following on councelor St.

1472
02:06:42,960 --> 02:06:52,000
Pierre's words. The word stacking sounds
it's kind of like a negative word to me.

1473
02:06:49,119 --> 02:06:59,920
Like the word's chosen to be negative. I
think mixed use on properties is clever

1474
02:06:56,320 --> 02:07:04,639
because I think that um I I still think
it's a homebased business too as well.

1475
02:07:01,760 --> 02:07:09,599
But but I think that given all the
circumstances of of people moving,

1476
02:07:06,960 --> 02:07:14,480
people selling a house, relocating,
um coming to town for a short term,

1477
02:07:11,679 --> 02:07:20,239
short-term rentals is an affordable
option for people. And I think that if

1478
02:07:17,920 --> 02:07:24,880
you've got property and zoning dictates
the density, you've got property that

1479
02:07:22,480 --> 02:07:29,440
you could have couple bed and breakfast
and a short-term rental on. I think

1480
02:07:26,880 --> 02:07:33,280
that's advantageous not only to the
property owner, but to us as a

1481
02:07:31,360 --> 02:07:37,280
community. It it puts an affordability
component in there. So there's options

1482
02:07:35,679 --> 02:07:42,320
for people when they get into these
situations. Transfers, relocations,

1483
02:07:40,239 --> 02:07:48,960
houses being renovated, flooded,
damaged, all these things that come up.

1484
02:07:45,119 --> 02:07:55,119
And if we don't give options like or I
should say the the presenter today, Mr.

1485
02:07:51,119 --> 02:07:59,599
Hicks, he gave a you know a very valid u
uh or compelling argument I think is to

1486
02:07:57,280 --> 02:08:06,400
think that they can coincide quite
nicely on on a piece of property.

1487
02:08:03,840 --> 02:08:14,639
I it seems like we're fixing a problem
where there isn't one. To me, I I I got

1488
02:08:10,000 --> 02:08:18,880
that sense. Um so through to staff
I think you gave the explanation uh to

1489
02:08:16,639 --> 02:08:27,679
Mr. to Mr. riding through the chair is
that the mixed use you feel could

1490
02:08:24,320 --> 02:08:31,360
increase density somehow like I don't I
don't get that kind of in your

1491
02:08:29,440 --> 02:08:35,440
presentation you talked about density
like a big piece of property having five

1492
02:08:33,119 --> 02:08:40,639
bed breakfast and five short-term
rentals but we've only got one in our

1493
02:08:38,239 --> 02:08:47,040
entire district that I kind of think the
risk is low for people on something

1494
02:08:44,320 --> 02:08:50,800
» yeah through the chair so uh the
fundamental component here for

1495
02:08:48,400 --> 02:08:57,119
consideration is the fact that these
accessory uses uh become primary become

1496
02:08:54,239 --> 02:09:00,560
the primary use of the property. So when
you have a residential property

1497
02:08:58,800 --> 02:09:04,239
residential zone
>> that is really intended for residential

1498
02:09:02,320 --> 02:09:10,159
use not for commercial use.
>> So this is where uh the stacking or for

1499
02:09:07,679 --> 02:09:15,360
lack of a better term um the combination
of uses operating concurrently

1500
02:09:12,639 --> 02:09:20,800
» can exceed the intended use of the
parcel. So that's why we have zoning

1501
02:09:18,000 --> 02:09:25,360
bylaws is to confirm exactly what is
reasonable where we have residential

1502
02:09:23,280 --> 02:09:29,199
zones, we have commercial zones. So if
you want to say all residential zones

1503
02:09:27,520 --> 02:09:32,480
can be commercial,
>> you know that that may be problematic

1504
02:09:30,960 --> 02:09:35,920
for lots of people and has obviously
some negative consequences and that is

1505
02:09:34,239 --> 02:09:39,679
why it is best practice and very
commonly uh restricted for those to

1506
02:09:38,320 --> 02:09:44,320
operate concurrently.
>> It's not saying that they can't be

1507
02:09:41,599 --> 02:09:47,679
permitted. Both are permitted, right?
those operating those uses concurrently

1508
02:09:46,000 --> 02:09:52,400
right now there's only one property may
still operate as they are as they have

1509
02:09:50,560 --> 02:09:54,400
been and their property is likely very
suitable for this use

1510
02:09:53,760 --> 02:09:59,679
» right
>> um yeah and so if the secondary use is

1511
02:09:58,000 --> 02:10:03,920
becoming the primary more of a
commercial lean uh property you know

1512
02:10:02,000 --> 02:10:07,760
there's there's potential for reszoning
to permit that type of use as well if

1513
02:10:05,920 --> 02:10:14,960
suitable to council
>> yeah okay and thank you um so I have two

1514
02:10:10,480 --> 02:10:21,679
other questions um m if if we
grandfather you you said two things if

1515
02:10:18,159 --> 02:10:26,960
the use discontinued for 6 months
that grandfathering would come to an

1516
02:10:24,000 --> 02:10:33,040
end.
So what like I mean there's all these I

1517
02:10:30,719 --> 02:10:38,719
thought about you know 200 things like
extenduating circumstances that could 6

1518
02:10:35,840 --> 02:10:43,920
months is not very long like somebody
could have you know an extended vacation

1519
02:10:41,119 --> 02:10:48,320
and shut down their bed and breakfast at
their house 6 months and go to go to

1520
02:10:46,239 --> 02:10:53,280
stay in Mexico for six months well would
that constitute discontinuation of that

1521
02:10:50,639 --> 02:10:57,920
use I mean I think we're kind of it's
six months feels slippery and what

1522
02:10:55,520 --> 02:11:03,679
happens If
the question what we ask all what

1523
02:11:00,480 --> 02:11:09,920
happens if one of those units burns down
is that used now discontinued.

1524
02:11:06,800 --> 02:11:17,040
So two questions for you.
>> Thank you for the questions. Um so

1525
02:11:14,320 --> 02:11:21,599
in terms of uh the legal nonconformity
it's a it's a local government act

1526
02:11:19,040 --> 02:11:25,599
statute right. So this is
discontinuation of six months. I think a

1527
02:11:23,679 --> 02:11:29,040
good evidence would be that there's a
business license that's existing on the

1528
02:11:27,679 --> 02:11:33,199
property and if that continues to get
renewed, I think that would be adequate

1529
02:11:31,440 --> 02:11:37,440
for our purposes. Uh we're not going to
be standing uh property side confirming

1530
02:11:35,920 --> 02:11:42,159
that people are actually renting these
units. Um but if they have submitted a

1531
02:11:40,079 --> 02:11:45,440
uh a business license year after year, I
think staff will consider that to be

1532
02:11:43,599 --> 02:11:50,800
legal non-conforming.
um in terms of the actual uh the

1533
02:11:48,400 --> 02:11:56,079
structure uh being demolished or burning
down through a hazard. Um the use itself

1534
02:11:54,000 --> 02:11:59,599
can still remain as is. It just can't be
expanded upon. Um there's legal

1535
02:11:58,239 --> 02:12:03,360
non-conformity when it deals with
structures as well. Uh that's a that's a

1536
02:12:01,679 --> 02:12:07,599
different part of the LGA with legal
non-conformity. But yeah, this the

1537
02:12:05,599 --> 02:12:12,159
structure and the use could could be
rebuilt in a sense as long as it isn't

1538
02:12:09,920 --> 02:12:16,480
expanded upon or the operation isn't
seized for that period of of 6 months or

1539
02:12:14,719 --> 02:12:19,800
for the duration of their their one-year
business license.

1540
02:12:24,480 --> 02:12:32,000
Okay. So, uh we have another comment
from staff. Mr. Marshall, you had

1541
02:12:28,639 --> 02:12:39,360
something to say? Yeah, thank you uh
deputy mayor um and council. I think the

1542
02:12:36,079 --> 02:12:46,400
you have to think about this as in the
in the sense of would you want this

1543
02:12:43,199 --> 02:12:51,119
business as a neighbor? If there was
five rooms in a bed and breakfast and

1544
02:12:48,960 --> 02:12:55,440
they had several short-term rentals and
there was now eight cars coming and

1545
02:12:52,960 --> 02:13:00,960
going on a nightly basis, there's
garbage cans, you know, strewn down the

1546
02:12:58,320 --> 02:13:05,920
street. there's a lot of extra noise.
There's a lot of extra activity. And so

1547
02:13:04,079 --> 02:13:10,719
I've certainly had experience in
communities where the public just

1548
02:13:08,400 --> 02:13:14,000
absolutely gets up in an uproar when
these types of things start happening

1549
02:13:12,480 --> 02:13:17,840
because it's that's not what I bought
into when I bought my single family

1550
02:13:15,599 --> 02:13:21,520
house in a single family neighborhood
that I'm going to be dealing with all

1551
02:13:19,280 --> 02:13:26,880
this noise activity and people coming
and going. So, I think, you know, that's

1552
02:13:24,880 --> 02:13:31,440
what we try and do with zoning is try
and give people certainty as to what

1553
02:13:29,280 --> 02:13:36,320
they can expect when they buy a home in
a particular neighborhood that they can

1554
02:13:34,159 --> 02:13:41,760
expect that that's sort of activity and
commercial use isn't going to be

1555
02:13:37,760 --> 02:13:45,440
happening, uh, next door. And so, um,
yes, there's lots of these types of

1556
02:13:43,520 --> 02:13:49,760
businesses that aren't a problem, but
unfortunately, we as a municipality and

1557
02:13:48,079 --> 02:13:53,840
many municipalities have to deal with
the one-offs where it's a real problem.

1558
02:13:52,000 --> 02:14:01,440
And if you don't have the zoning in
place to enforce that problem, um, then

1559
02:13:58,560 --> 02:14:08,159
there's no way of dealing with it. So,
um, that's the intent anyway.

1560
02:14:04,560 --> 02:14:12,480
» Okay, here.
>> Yeah, over in the blind spot here. I

1561
02:14:09,840 --> 02:14:16,079
know. I saw it this time. Little
>> Yeah. I I just want to be clear here.

1562
02:14:14,079 --> 02:14:19,920
This is a modernization of our zoning
bylaw to align with the short-term

1563
02:14:17,840 --> 02:14:26,239
rental accommodation act introduced by
the province of British Columbia uh

1564
02:14:22,719 --> 02:14:32,159
designed intentionally to uh free up or
preserve long-term rental housing. Is is

1565
02:14:28,719 --> 02:14:37,280
that correct? So really Okay, go ahead.
Answer that for

1566
02:14:34,560 --> 02:14:41,840
» Yes, it is correct. So uh again we we've
mirrored uh many of the uh the

1567
02:14:39,199 --> 02:14:46,480
provincial uh regulations in the act um
in terms of uh the permissions for uh

1568
02:14:44,480 --> 02:14:49,280
the principal residence framework. So we
we've just basically mirrored that and

1569
02:14:47,840 --> 02:14:54,000
build that into our zoning by or at
least in the draft amendments. Um in a

1570
02:14:52,480 --> 02:14:59,679
lot of cases it's it's slightly more
permissive. Um but in some cases such as

1571
02:14:57,040 --> 02:15:04,639
the extension of of the 30 days to 90
consecutive days and also the rental of

1572
02:15:02,239 --> 02:15:08,400
the uh of this of the principal dwelling
and the ability for the host not to live

1573
02:15:06,800 --> 02:15:13,679
on the premises. So that's where it's
it's is becoming a little more flexible.

1574
02:15:10,800 --> 02:15:16,400
Um this one element here of the of the
amendments about it being more

1575
02:15:14,719 --> 02:15:20,560
restrictive is is one small piece as
well. But then there's also a more

1576
02:15:18,719 --> 02:15:25,520
broader modernization where we're
actually filling a lot of really needed

1577
02:15:23,280 --> 02:15:29,840
gaps here. um just in terms of actually
providing regulations around short-term

1578
02:15:27,760 --> 02:15:35,119
rentals which is completely lacking uh
in the bylaw and unfortunately has been

1579
02:15:33,360 --> 02:15:39,280
uh uh considered under homebased
business regulations whi which don't

1580
02:15:37,199 --> 02:15:43,920
which literally does not make sense in
terms of the the set of regulations that

1581
02:15:41,199 --> 02:15:49,199
exist. One example is that a homebased
business must occur on a size of of no

1582
02:15:46,719 --> 02:15:53,760
greater than 50 square meters. Um and we
all know that size of a suite they're

1583
02:15:51,360 --> 02:15:57,679
all over 50 square meters. So, there's
just been these inconsistencies and

1584
02:15:55,760 --> 02:16:02,159
interpretations that just have not been
clear for staff or or the public and and

1585
02:16:00,560 --> 02:16:06,639
that those these are the gaps we're
trying to fill while also being as

1586
02:16:03,920 --> 02:16:12,239
permissive as possible uh in alignment
with those uh provincial uh regulations

1587
02:16:09,040 --> 02:16:16,000
and law um and also looking at other
minor forms of modernization that that

1588
02:16:14,320 --> 02:16:20,639
happen to be this one in particular
being a bit more restrictive. So,

1589
02:16:18,719 --> 02:16:25,599
hopefully that answered your question.
>> Yeah, it does. And I know you're you're

1590
02:16:23,760 --> 02:16:29,920
this is advanced work on the new zoning
bylaw. Effectively, this is going to

1591
02:16:27,679 --> 02:16:38,000
make the job easier when you get down to
the actual renewal of bylaw 600. Um

1592
02:16:35,599 --> 02:16:40,559
yeah, I think that's good. Thank you.
>> Okay, councelor St. Pierre, you want to

1593
02:16:39,840 --> 02:16:43,359
speak again?
>> Yeah. Uh first of all, I really

1594
02:16:42,240 --> 02:16:46,240
appreciate the answers that have been
provided. Uh they've really helped a

1595
02:16:44,960 --> 02:16:51,040
great deal, especially uh the
distinction in usage and that we're

1596
02:16:48,479 --> 02:16:56,800
actually potentially when we're looking
not densification number of people but

1597
02:16:52,960 --> 02:17:01,040
densifying commercial usage. So Airbnb
rentals looking more like a hotel type

1598
02:16:59,280 --> 02:17:05,760
situation. Once you get to a certain
threshold realistically

1599
02:17:03,920 --> 02:17:09,760
it's to the benefit of for example
residential taxpayers in the district

1600
02:17:07,519 --> 02:17:12,960
but that property is on commercial. It's
going that direction so that the

1601
02:17:11,439 --> 02:17:17,040
residential taxpayers aren't actually
paying for the services on the wear and

1602
02:17:14,800 --> 02:17:21,280
tear in the community and the needs of a
commercial business. uh especially when

1603
02:17:19,200 --> 02:17:24,800
our residents are being way too much. So
I think that's one piece that I'm

1604
02:17:23,200 --> 02:17:31,040
feeling pretty strongly at this point.
That makes sense. Uh I also uh recognize

1605
02:17:29,200 --> 02:17:36,240
that
the one exception and the one truly

1606
02:17:33,439 --> 02:17:40,559
affected um
property.

1607
02:17:38,800 --> 02:17:44,319
Our laws and bylaws are not actually for
the best case scenario when someone runs

1608
02:17:42,160 --> 02:17:49,120
a business for 25 years and follows all
the rules. uh if everyone was like that,

1609
02:17:46,960 --> 02:17:52,559
there's indeed any laws and bylaws. Uh
the bylaws are actually because if you

1610
02:17:51,040 --> 02:17:59,840
actually make a neighborhood where
anybody can actually put as many Airbnbs

1611
02:17:56,080 --> 02:18:04,880
and stack in as many STRs as they want,
pretty soon there's nowhere to drive.

1612
02:18:02,960 --> 02:18:08,559
It's a little crazy now. I think that
there's a space in the future where we

1613
02:18:06,479 --> 02:18:11,840
could be looking at how do we manage to,
you know, make that work. But I think

1614
02:18:10,719 --> 02:18:14,880
what I'm hearing is that without
actually being very careful, you're

1615
02:18:13,439 --> 02:18:19,439
basically opening it up for that kind of
thing to happen. And so I appreciate the

1616
02:18:17,599 --> 02:18:24,960
answers and the discussion. I think I
was very firmly

1617
02:18:22,479 --> 02:18:29,280
against not basically I I thought we
should allow this to happen together.

1618
02:18:26,800 --> 02:18:32,319
But I see now that there's a need to be
more careful, especially with regards to

1619
02:18:31,200 --> 02:18:36,960
making sure that our residential
taxpayers are not being punished while

1620
02:18:35,599 --> 02:18:42,000
their neighbors who are having
essentially a business on their property

1621
02:18:38,800 --> 02:18:46,160
are flourishing and that we don't
actually open it up so that we have no

1622
02:18:44,960 --> 02:18:50,960
businesses in our commercial areas
because it's so much easier to open a

1623
02:18:47,439 --> 02:18:55,679
business in our residential areas. Uh so
I I say that there's more to it and I

1624
02:18:53,439 --> 02:18:59,359
appreciate the answers. Thank you. Any
other counselor before I call the

1625
02:18:57,359 --> 02:19:04,160
question? Councelor Pearson.
>> Yep. Thank you. Um through the chair. So

1626
02:19:01,439 --> 02:19:10,719
do we have an inventory of
non-conforming when we if if this passes

1627
02:19:07,359 --> 02:19:14,639
do we have an inventory of where these
illegal non-conforming

1628
02:19:12,479 --> 02:19:19,280
» through the chair of one property
>> one property

1629
02:19:15,840 --> 02:19:22,519
» based on our data
Mr. Vixon.

1630
02:19:22,639 --> 02:19:26,960
» Okay. Councelor Haldane, I'll call the
question.

1631
02:19:26,080 --> 02:19:32,319
» My last [clears throat] thing would be
is that the province and both proposed

1632
02:19:28,719 --> 02:19:37,040
bill 44, Bill 44, and this council here
before I got here was was against it.

1633
02:19:34,719 --> 02:19:42,960
They didn't like it and the modernizing
of that bill into our rules that we have

1634
02:19:40,080 --> 02:19:47,760
here now wasn't accepted very well. Um,
so I don't believe that provincial

1635
02:19:44,880 --> 02:19:53,840
legislation necessarily makes it good
business or or good procedure. Um, bill

1636
02:19:50,720 --> 02:19:58,160
44 in most cases isn't even possible and
in most cases doesn't even work by

1637
02:19:55,600 --> 02:20:02,640
design. So, I have little faith in the
provincial expectations in most cases

1638
02:20:00,080 --> 02:20:08,960
when it comes down to expectations with
housing and and our little small bylaw

1639
02:20:05,680 --> 02:20:12,000
changes and modernization. So, again,
not for it.

1640
02:20:09,920 --> 02:20:17,040
» Okay. Thank you.
>> All right. Uh, do you want one more

1641
02:20:13,600 --> 02:20:21,520
comment then? Just in response to that,
we are, as they say, a creature of the

1642
02:20:19,280 --> 02:20:28,240
province. When when a legislation of
this kind comes down the pipeline, are

1643
02:20:23,920 --> 02:20:31,040
we not duty bound to largely adopt?
Councelor Hollain, you're shaking your

1644
02:20:29,600 --> 02:20:34,240
head. So through you.
>> Well,

1645
02:20:31,840 --> 02:20:39,280
» maybe we're not. I' I'd like to ask
Chris Marshall that question.

1646
02:20:37,600 --> 02:20:44,800
» Mr. Marshall, if you could answer that
and if not then I'll comment on.

1647
02:20:42,399 --> 02:20:51,280
» Yeah, I mean there are is certain
legislation that is required for you to

1648
02:20:48,720 --> 02:20:57,120
comply to. Yes. Um there's other
legislation

1649
02:20:52,960 --> 02:21:03,280
such as the um they there's new
legislation around not legislation but

1650
02:21:00,000 --> 02:21:07,600
guidance around how shoo housing could
be designed and built and they provided

1651
02:21:05,840 --> 02:21:12,080
examples of different types of housing
and and to try and speed up the process

1652
02:21:10,000 --> 02:21:18,000
of getting a building permit and just
provide generic forms of of screw

1653
02:21:14,800 --> 02:21:23,920
housing. Um that's not required. That's
just something that is advisory to

1654
02:21:20,560 --> 02:21:28,560
communities to help them to uh implement
uh the shimu legislation. So yes,

1655
02:21:26,479 --> 02:21:35,520
there's legislation that's required to
be uh followed and then there's other

1656
02:21:31,760 --> 02:21:41,920
sort of more guidance type material. So
>> okay, I'll comment now. Um

1657
02:21:38,880 --> 02:21:47,040
I I'm in favor of of this. I see that
there is one property that was concerned

1658
02:21:44,720 --> 02:21:52,000
about it and that person's concerns had
been met. Um there's not a great long

1659
02:21:50,160 --> 02:21:57,760
list of people coming forward and saying
they're going to be affected by this and

1660
02:21:54,000 --> 02:22:03,200
also that the uh this new modernization
uh expands a lot of time 60 to 90 days

1661
02:22:01,439 --> 02:22:07,439
and a number of other things where I
think the average person dealing with

1662
02:22:05,359 --> 02:22:11,840
these things would probably be happier.
uh we've dealt with the one that wasn't

1663
02:22:09,200 --> 02:22:15,840
and uh I think we should move ahead. So
I'll read it out again that council give

1664
02:22:13,760 --> 02:22:21,359
third reading to zoning amendment bylaw
number 947600120

1665
02:22:18,240 --> 02:22:26,080
2026 to amend zoning bylaw number 600 to
modernize suits regulation of short-term

1666
02:22:23,680 --> 02:22:30,560
rental accommodations
and that's already been seconded but all

1667
02:22:27,840 --> 02:22:35,120
those in favor
all those against. So that's 342 against

1668
02:22:33,359 --> 02:22:40,479
that is passed and make a note of those
voting against please.

1669
02:22:37,920 --> 02:22:48,000
Next order of business 10.2 zoning bylaw
amendment number 95612

1670
02:22:42,960 --> 02:22:52,720
2026 R2 housekeeping amendment staff.
>> Yeah, there's um no presentation on this

1671
02:22:49,840 --> 02:22:59,200
one either, but it is uh was uh reviewed
by the LUDC on July 7th um where they

1672
02:22:56,720 --> 02:23:03,760
supported staff recommendation. Um the
amendment addresses the ambiguity

1673
02:23:01,040 --> 02:23:07,680
created through the February 2025 snow
amendments. Um the current wording could

1674
02:23:06,240 --> 02:23:11,280
be interpreted as allowing each
permitted single family dwelling to have

1675
02:23:09,280 --> 02:23:15,200
both a secondary suite and a detached
suite uh resulting in more dwelling

1676
02:23:12,960 --> 02:23:20,000
units than was intended and it's a
change from the bylaw unnecessarily

1677
02:23:18,240 --> 02:23:25,280
uh that existed prior to the smooth
amendments in 2025. So we're just

1678
02:23:21,920 --> 02:23:27,920
basically correcting that. Um, yeah, I'm
I'm available for questions. Uh, if

1679
02:23:27,120 --> 02:23:32,399
council has
>> somebody like to make that uh motion and

1680
02:23:30,000 --> 02:23:36,439
then we'll go to questions.
>> Anybody willing to make the motion?

1681
02:23:37,680 --> 02:23:43,800
» Well, we're giving first and second
third reading zoning amendment bylaw

1682
02:23:40,560 --> 02:23:43,800
number 956121.

1683
02:23:46,160 --> 02:23:51,000
» No,
no.

1684
02:23:51,600 --> 02:24:00,160
So this is a housekeeping. I'll make the
motion. Somebody second it. Otherwise,

1685
02:23:56,399 --> 02:24:05,960
it's dead. Okay. Councelor St. Pierre.
All right. Any discussion? Anybody any

1686
02:24:02,479 --> 02:24:05,960
questions for staff?

1687
02:24:08,240 --> 02:24:14,240
» No debate.
>> Comment. As as stated in the report, the

1688
02:24:11,840 --> 02:24:18,080
proposed amendment to the RU2 zone is a
housekeeping correction intended to

1689
02:24:15,840 --> 02:24:24,399
resolve an ambiguity created through the
February 2025 shoo amendments. So that's

1690
02:24:21,680 --> 02:24:29,120
common sense and thank you for the work.
>> Okay, then I'll call the question all

1691
02:24:26,000 --> 02:24:33,359
those in favor. I got three and
councelor Pearson, Councelor Haldane, I

1692
02:24:30,880 --> 02:24:40,439
didn't see a movement. You want to stand
a yes or a no?

1693
02:24:36,000 --> 02:24:40,439
» No. Okay. Councelor Haldane.

1694
02:24:42,479 --> 02:24:50,000
Yay or a nay on that motion?
Yeah, I know. So, it's a nail. Okay.

1695
02:24:48,560 --> 02:24:56,080
Thank you. I just want a clarification
to make sure I get it right. Thank you.

1696
02:24:52,800 --> 02:25:02,359
All right. That passes three to two. Uh,
next order of business. Permissive tax

1697
02:24:57,920 --> 02:25:02,359
exemption application from catalysts.

1698
02:25:04,880 --> 02:25:10,160
Okay.
The council adopt the bylaw site

1699
02:25:08,720 --> 02:25:15,200
progressive tax exemption amendment
bylaw number 949 2026. Somebody want to

1700
02:25:13,200 --> 02:25:20,800
make that motion.
Okay. Councelor Baitman Counc St. Pierre

1701
02:25:17,760 --> 02:25:26,160
seconded. Any discussion to the motion?
>> Well, go ahead counc

1702
02:25:24,240 --> 02:25:29,840
were comments at the beginning of the
meeting. Normally with an adoption we

1703
02:25:27,920 --> 02:25:35,600
just move it forward. But in light of
those comments, it's worth worth noting

1704
02:25:32,160 --> 02:25:42,399
a few things here. Um, you know, this is
a five-year permissive tax exemption on

1705
02:25:39,359 --> 02:25:49,359
those, I believe it was 30 units in the
building that are are considerably below

1706
02:25:45,680 --> 02:25:58,640
market. So, we're not uh exempting the
uh at market or near below market units.

1707
02:25:53,120 --> 02:26:03,280
Um this as as we discussed when we this
came up at first, second, and third

1708
02:26:00,240 --> 02:26:10,560
readings, uh this council did struggle
over this permissive tax exemption. Um

1709
02:26:08,319 --> 02:26:17,200
we we've looked at it for that five-year
phase out for nonprofit housing. Um, the

1710
02:26:14,560 --> 02:26:24,240
permissive tax exemption remains in
place for a wide array of of uh local

1711
02:26:22,640 --> 02:26:31,280
organizations.
Um, it just seems appropriate to me that

1712
02:26:27,680 --> 02:26:36,240
we continue to uh do what we can to
attract nonprofit housing to suit

1713
02:26:34,560 --> 02:26:41,920
knowing that they've just got a fiveyear
window here to uh to ease into the

1714
02:26:38,880 --> 02:26:46,640
market. So, that's what that's it. Thank
you. Anybody else? Councelor Pearson.

1715
02:26:44,640 --> 02:26:53,200
» Yeah. Um, thank you, Councelor Baitman.
You're you're correct. We did debate it.

1716
02:26:48,560 --> 02:26:57,359
Um, I'm um happy that um it's actually
an accelerated rate. It's not going to

1717
02:26:55,600 --> 02:27:01,920
be five phased out of after 5 years.
It'll be phased out by 2030.

1718
02:26:59,760 --> 02:27:06,720
So, it's going to be compressed by it'll
be a fouryear. Um and I think we had

1719
02:27:04,399 --> 02:27:11,040
robust discussion around, you know, the
portions of catalyst that were there. Um

1720
02:27:09,040 --> 02:27:18,160
it's part of the project where hopefully
it uh breaks ground soon and we get our

1721
02:27:14,560 --> 02:27:22,960
medical center as part of this. So okay,
no other questions and I'll I'll call

1722
02:27:20,640 --> 02:27:29,920
the question. All those in favor? Okay,
that's unanimous. Thank you. Uh any uh

1723
02:27:26,319 --> 02:27:35,240
new uh yeah any new business hearing?
None. Items removed consent agenda.

1724
02:27:35,439 --> 02:27:41,800
Uh council verbal reports. Anybody have
a verbal report?

1725
02:27:42,640 --> 02:27:50,000
I just have one. I attended the opening
of the horseshoe uh roof the pitch as

1726
02:27:48,240 --> 02:27:54,880
deputy mayor and got cut the ribbon with
the big scissors. Uh and it was ironic

1727
02:27:52,880 --> 02:27:58,800
that uh just as I was cutting the
ribbon, it started to rain and that's

1728
02:27:56,560 --> 02:28:03,359
what we were cutting the ribbon for is
the cover so they can lay horseshoes in

1729
02:28:01,600 --> 02:28:08,000
the rain. So it worked out really well.
It was a lot of fun and uh it was a good

1730
02:28:05,840 --> 02:28:09,680
time down there. Anything else from
anybody?

1731
02:28:09,040 --> 02:28:12,640
» Yeah,
>> go ahead.

1732
02:28:10,479 --> 02:28:19,120
» We we skipped the verbal reports last
time, so we we didn't talk about Canada

1733
02:28:14,560 --> 02:28:24,160
Day. Fred Milan Park was was a uh second
year in the park and um

1734
02:28:22,640 --> 02:28:28,800
a number of us were there for that
event. It it was a it really works well

1735
02:28:27,040 --> 02:28:35,520
in the park, I believe, as much as we
miss the flats. Um yeah, so I also there

1736
02:28:34,160 --> 02:28:42,080
was a special meeting of the souk
homelessness coalition uh which I have

1737
02:28:38,319 --> 02:28:48,479
been an informal um
representative uh on behalf of the mayor

1738
02:28:45,680 --> 02:28:52,319
uh over the last six years and unlike
other groups such as the souk region

1739
02:28:50,240 --> 02:28:57,439
food systems network which formally
appointed counselor St. Pierre to that

1740
02:28:54,880 --> 02:29:02,000
role. I was never formally appointed. So
I have some concerns

1741
02:29:00,000 --> 02:29:07,520
um
that uh that this may may

1742
02:29:06,160 --> 02:29:12,960
have some problems going ahead
particularly with our other co-chair

1743
02:29:09,520 --> 02:29:16,000
Melanie Cunningham stepping out. So, um,
we determined at the special meeting

1744
02:29:14,399 --> 02:29:21,359
that we will go out to the council
candidates and seek, uh, seek their

1745
02:29:18,960 --> 02:29:27,920
views and opinions on how, uh, the
district can, uh, formally create some

1746
02:29:24,640 --> 02:29:31,680
sort of intermediary or body or
organization that will, and the soup

1747
02:29:29,920 --> 02:29:38,160
homelessness coalition has served this
purpose, be a um, uh, a link, an

1748
02:29:35,920 --> 02:29:41,359
accountable link between council, the
district, and the community at large

1749
02:29:39,680 --> 02:29:46,800
with the souk shelter and with our
homeless population. So, that's

1750
02:29:43,760 --> 02:29:50,479
something we'll be doing. I also uh
attended a number of CRD meetings on the

1751
02:29:48,880 --> 02:29:56,080
mayor's behalf, including the
environmental services meeting at which

1752
02:29:52,560 --> 02:30:03,200
a new um
climate action uh strategy for 2026 to

1753
02:29:59,680 --> 02:30:08,720
2030 was introduced, arising out of the
work that your task force, Tony, you

1754
02:30:05,920 --> 02:30:13,200
were part of. And this is staff bringing
forward a very pragmatic approach. This

1755
02:30:11,840 --> 02:30:17,920
is the key point. They've taken the
politics and the panic out of climate

1756
02:30:15,520 --> 02:30:23,920
action and they're taking a pragmatic
approach to uh dealing with areas in

1757
02:30:21,200 --> 02:30:28,720
which the CRD has some direct um
influence. So these are things like the

1758
02:30:26,240 --> 02:30:33,840
home energy retrofit program, the
delivery of very strong climate data to

1759
02:30:31,439 --> 02:30:40,560
to local governments,
um outreach programs, and then a lot of

1760
02:30:37,120 --> 02:30:44,720
corporate emissions reduction policies
as well as development of a new regional

1761
02:30:42,479 --> 02:30:49,120
transportation plan.
And um while I'm at it on the subject of

1762
02:30:47,520 --> 02:30:55,040
climate action, I just want to note that
I attended the um the Fed Federation of

1763
02:30:52,319 --> 02:31:00,880
Canadian Municipalities webinar
um implementing and integrating climate

1764
02:30:57,439 --> 02:31:07,520
adaption plans which our CEO spoke to in
her last report. Um, it's worth noting

1765
02:31:04,479 --> 02:31:12,319
this this presentation, as she stated,
um, emphasized the district's practical

1766
02:31:10,160 --> 02:31:15,920
olive organization approach to climate
adaptation

1767
02:31:13,840 --> 02:31:20,880
by aligning action with shared goals,
saving time, saving money, reducing

1768
02:31:17,600 --> 02:31:25,760
risk, and protecting our environment
locally.

1769
02:31:22,399 --> 02:31:33,120
So these are local actions done through
a whole of organization um

1770
02:31:30,560 --> 02:31:39,840
uh action by the by the district of souk
and its staff and built into our master

1771
02:31:35,840 --> 02:31:45,120
plans. So this the the FCM in its wisdom
chose souk and uh St. John's

1772
02:31:42,640 --> 02:31:51,600
Newfoundland as the two two model
communities for how this climate action

1773
02:31:48,640 --> 02:31:57,600
ad the integration of climate adaptation
plans into district business. So I just

1774
02:31:53,840 --> 02:32:05,040
want to thank um our communications
coordinator for that work and I really

1775
02:32:00,319 --> 02:32:10,800
do hope that FCM will be uh uh posting
that webinar I believe on its website

1776
02:32:08,240 --> 02:32:15,760
and it it's well worth watching it. It
does sort of you know I know that there

1777
02:32:13,040 --> 02:32:20,640
are concerns that the climate action is
such a wicked issue at such a dramatic

1778
02:32:18,960 --> 02:32:25,920
level that we ensue can't do anything
about it but we can and that is part of

1779
02:32:23,760 --> 02:32:32,960
this protection of natural environment
for future generations as is our this

1780
02:32:28,960 --> 02:32:36,560
council's mandate from the get-go.
>> I could go on but I I'll stop now the

1781
02:32:35,520 --> 02:32:41,439
early guy.
>> All right. Is there anybody else before

1782
02:32:38,479 --> 02:32:44,880
I adjourn to a closed meeting? Hearing
none, then I'll adjourn to a closed

1783
02:32:43,120 --> 02:32:49,120
meeting that council closed the July
27th, 2026 meeting to the public

1784
02:32:47,359 --> 02:32:55,040
pursuant of the following subsection of
the committee charter 91 uh I uh

1785
02:32:53,600 --> 02:32:58,720
received advice that subject to
solicitor client privilege including

1786
02:32:57,120 --> 02:33:06,160
communication necessary for this
purpose. So, thank you. Uh do I need to

1787
02:33:03,120 --> 02:33:10,399
have a vote on that?
No, that's good. Yeah, I I thought I

1788
02:33:08,080 --> 02:33:15,399
just moved it. Okay, I will just have a
minute or so for the public to leave.

1789
02:33:15,760 --> 02:33:20,720
» Yeah, we'll take five minute bathroom
break.